The Culture War - Tim Pool - November 12, 2025


MAGA REBELS Over Trump Fox Interview, Ann Coulter Goes OFF ft. Ann Coulter


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Ann Coulter joins me to talk about the Epstein scandal, why Trump should have pardoned Jelaine Maxwell, and why he should not have been pardoned at all. She also gives her thoughts on Trump's interview with Laura Ingraham.

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00:00:25.960 You would think by now, it had been, this one little thing has been beaten into them enough.
00:00:35.880 Americans need the jobs. Americans are good workers. Americans are being sold out.
00:00:40.900 And I'll get back to why Americans are better workers. 0.89
00:00:45.520 What is going on, guys? This is Tate Brown here holding it down for Tim Pool.
00:00:49.080 I've got a great interview with Ann Coulter.
00:00:51.300 Obviously, you probably saw the Trump interview on Fox yesterday.
00:00:55.020 It didn't go so great. The messaging wasn't there.
00:00:58.080 Ann Coulter had a lot of thoughts on this interview, so stay tuned and check out her response.
00:01:03.480 Well, first, I wanted to say, I was taking a look at your new, your sub stack, Unsafe.
00:01:07.820 Really tremendous stuff. Can you tell us a little more about it?
00:01:10.600 Yes, it's great. You got my column delivered directly to your inbox before everyone else can read it and rip it off.
00:01:16.100 This week, it's on something kind of tangentially related to what we're talking about, and that is I read all of Virginia Jiffra's book, Nobody's Girl, and it is so much more.
00:01:28.560 She was one of the most vocal and articulate spokesmen of the victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and it's shocking.
00:01:35.800 It's really, really shocking, which I just finished it when I see the headline.
00:01:42.460 Jelaine Maxwell says, new prison cell. Fantastic.
00:01:45.900 So, you know, this is another great thing Trump is doing for his MAGA base, which I absolutely cannot understand.
00:01:54.540 These emails that were released today, I mean, the Democrats are so desperate to tie Trump to Epstein.
00:01:59.580 I don't think those are particularly implicating.
00:02:01.780 But the fact that Trump refuses to rule out pardoning Jelaine Maxwell, when you read, you don't have to read the book, read my column.
00:02:13.100 It's going up later today to see how intimately involved she was, not only in procuring the girls, but in the really disgusting molestation. 1.00
00:02:23.320 And it was Trump's decision to move Jelaine Maxwell to this minimum security prison where she's having such a wonderful time.
00:02:31.120 I don't understand that.
00:02:33.100 I mean, the assumption among every—I've been following this case since it first broke in Palm Beach, long before the national media had it.
00:02:39.320 I did get Bill O'Reilly to talk about it, and that was it.
00:02:42.160 This was back in 2006.
00:02:45.000 But the assumption among people who have been following this is that it's not Trump, that young girls don't really seem to be his type, even back when he was a Democrat, but that it's his donors.
00:02:56.580 But I don't know.
00:02:58.180 This is—to have—to snub your nose on something this important to the MAGA base, I mean, I think as a lot of people have been saying, including Tim Poole, this is so going to destroy Republicans in the midterms.
00:03:13.520 Now let's get to what we're really talking about.
00:03:15.840 Right.
00:03:15.960 Well, no, yeah, I mean, it's true.
00:03:18.060 It's a lot of this—you're just seeing people, the vitriol from the base, and it's just—there does seem to feel—it feels like there's a bit of a distance from the admin officials and the base, which didn't seem to always be there, especially in, like, campaigns.
00:03:30.060 It seems like the Trump administration super—or the Trump campaign is super reactive to the base.
00:03:34.100 And then as soon as we get into, you know, into office, a bit of a gulf erupts.
00:03:39.500 Now, I gotta say, before—Anne, like, I'm a huge fan.
00:03:41.860 I've never done this before on an interview.
00:03:43.500 I'm a huge fan.
00:03:44.220 My family was, like, so excited that you were coming on.
00:03:47.080 So I'm glad we got you, because this story, I couldn't think of anyone better than Ann Coulter to break down.
00:03:52.940 I wanted to ask, before we, like, get into the, you know, meat and cheese here, with the—coming from media background, a lot of people were saying the Laura Ingraham interview was, like, a bit of a hit.
00:04:03.060 They were saying, oh, well, you know, she set him up with some of the questions, or maybe it was adversarial.
00:04:07.920 I mean, did you get that sense at all?
00:04:09.660 I mean, I'm sure you have a relationship with Laura, but I don't know.
00:04:12.500 No, I—my sense is more that expectations for Fox News hosts are so low.
00:04:23.200 Are so unbelievably low.
00:04:26.220 I mean, one of the things I was going to say about this is, we've been having to reel Trump back on this from—from 2015.
00:04:34.800 He was constantly going out—and this is when there were, like, three people working for him.
00:04:39.740 It was, well, me secretly sending things into Corey Lewandowski and Stephen Miller.
00:04:44.760 And you can get him to turn the stuff around pretty quickly.
00:04:49.380 Like you say, the campaign was much more—well, he needed our votes back then.
00:04:54.860 But he was constantly, you know, wandering off the reservation talking about, oh, and we need—you know, we need workers.
00:05:00.780 Out in Silicon Valley and, you know, hospitality.
00:05:03.660 They need workers. 0.99
00:05:04.880 They've been—they need workers.
00:05:06.460 And then you'd have to reel them back right before—and this is right back to, well, Fox News.
00:05:11.780 Right before my book came out, Adios—no, In Trump We Trust.
00:05:15.340 It was in 2016.
00:05:16.620 It was the year before Adios America about immigration that got me banned from all media because it was about immigration, everything everyone's saying now.
00:05:25.540 Right before In Trump We Trust came out, literally that day, Trump was being interviewed by Hannity at the border.
00:05:33.660 And I forget exactly which part of this he came out for, but I think he said he would consider amnesty and he'd do a trade on amnesty.
00:05:40.340 This is when he's still running for office in 2016.
00:05:44.340 So we've—and during some of the Republican debates, he started talking about how, oh, we need workers.
00:05:49.600 And then he'd have to—and his campaign would put out a press release clarifying, i.e. taking back everything he said.
00:05:57.940 So he's always been very soft on this.
00:05:59.920 You would think by now it had been—this one little thing has been beaten into him enough.
00:06:07.840 Americans need the jobs.
00:06:09.660 Americans are good workers.
00:06:10.920 Americans are being sold out.
00:06:12.620 And I'll get back to why Americans are better workers. 0.89
00:06:17.000 But for now, I wanted to say I spoke at Institute for—ISI.
00:06:26.920 No, Intercollegiate Studies Institute.
00:06:31.000 I always want to start with Institute, which is right near you guys.
00:06:33.420 Anyway, it was this weekend.
00:06:34.320 It was all these student journalists.
00:06:35.580 And the gal from Stanford was particularly interested in why Trump wasn't cutting back on Chinese students. 0.85
00:06:43.240 And she told me the Stanford campus is at least 30 percent Chinese nationals.
00:06:48.900 And all these American students at Stanford University, one of our premier universities, majoring in computer science, they can't get jobs.
00:06:57.260 They're being undersold by the H-1B workers.
00:07:01.440 And their theory—and I don't know enough about this to know whether it's true, but I don't know.
00:07:05.900 A Stanford undergrad is smarter than I am.
00:07:07.720 They think it's because Trump is worried about the rare earth minerals we need from China.
00:07:13.060 Now, if true, I think he ought to get that message out through the grapevine.
00:07:19.840 Right, yeah.
00:07:20.720 Yet people will talk.
00:07:21.480 So people like you and I will say, oh, it's just about rare earth minerals.
00:07:25.120 And we won't be furious with him.
00:07:27.100 Right.
00:07:27.260 The reason H-1B workers are so attractive to corporations is not because they're better.
00:07:35.460 It's because they are cheaper.
00:07:37.140 And I recommend Norman Matloff.
00:07:39.160 He was a professor at one of those California universities in computer science for a long time.
00:07:43.600 And he's written endlessly about this.
00:07:45.280 The point is, H-1B workers get attached to a corporation.
00:07:52.360 So it's indentured servitude, which this country outlawed back at the time after the Civil War.
00:07:58.720 And that is so you're hired to work for Apple, say.
00:08:02.440 They underpay you, and you can get a much better job working for a competitor.
00:08:07.040 They'll pay you more.
00:08:08.060 It'll be a better job.
00:08:08.860 But you can't leave without losing your H-1B visa.
00:08:14.680 Therefore, all these H-1B visa workers are doing ordinary, regular, nothing special work. 0.90
00:08:22.300 But they're cheap.
00:08:23.760 Yeah.
00:08:24.420 Well, I mean, I remember this was the whole brouhaha around last Christmas where, you know, a few figures on the right were coming out and saying, like, oh, Americans are lazy.
00:08:32.640 And it's, like, intrinsic in our culture, which is just ridiculous because, like, we can look up on the moon and see a flag up there.
00:08:37.800 It's our flag.
00:08:38.400 So that being said, let's just say we grant, like, Besson came out this morning.
00:08:42.620 He was saying, look, you know, we have a few different industries that obviously haven't been onshore in a very long time.
00:08:48.660 So we need to bring in some experts to train the local workers on how to get this done, which I reject wholeheartedly.
00:08:55.180 But let's even grant that.
00:08:56.420 Let's just, for the sake of argument, let's grant that.
00:08:58.300 My question is, how do we guarantee the workers are compliant with H-1B standards?
00:09:03.360 Because go back to December, everyone was posting all these listings from, like, public databases showing that we were bringing in, like, hundreds of thousands of workers from India to work, like, janitor gigs.
00:09:15.700 Like, it was absolutely ridiculous the amount of scamming going on.
00:09:18.780 So I'm like, look, first of all, I hate the taste of turmeric, so I don't even know if I want them here anyway, even if they were, like, you know, like, monster workers.
00:09:26.500 But there's just, there's, like, scams left and right.
00:09:29.740 And it's India, so, I mean, go figure. 0.99
00:09:31.280 But there's, like, it's just ridiculous. 0.99
00:09:32.760 It's totally ridiculous. 0.94
00:09:35.480 Yes. 0.97
00:09:35.960 No, that is a great point.
00:09:38.040 And, by the way, who was it who was calling Americans lazy?
00:09:42.220 Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:09:44.260 Let's not forget that.
00:09:45.520 Yeah.
00:09:45.800 It was Elon pushing for the cheap workers.
00:09:49.140 The scam point you mentioned, I think, is very important.
00:09:52.600 It turns out, I don't know if you've noticed this, but a lot of these alleged, you know, massive scientific breakthroughs in the papers.
00:09:59.120 No, the Chinese and the Indians openly cheat. 1.00
00:10:01.720 Yeah, literally.
00:10:02.500 There are photos of them crawling out of windows to, like, pass the answers to someone.
00:10:07.860 We live in a high, or we used to.
00:10:09.760 I hope we can get it back.
00:10:11.760 America is a very traditionally a high-trust society.
00:10:16.520 And when you're letting them, oh, look at the scores this person got on these tests.
00:10:20.880 Yeah, well, the odds are they're probably cheating.
00:10:22.600 Right.
00:10:24.000 It's funny that Besant said that because, or Besant, sorry for mispronouncing his name.
00:10:29.180 I like him. 0.99
00:10:29.820 Because there it is, another example of Trump goes out and says something stupid about bringing in foreign workers, and everybody around him has to rush out. 0.99
00:10:37.240 And, well, what he meant was. 0.99
00:10:38.860 Right.
00:10:39.120 But you're right.
00:10:41.240 Will they go back?
00:10:42.920 And you also reminded me, one, among the many ways H-1B workers harm Americans, it is, of course, taking American jobs. 0.97
00:10:51.720 All these American kids are told, major in a STEM field, major in computer science, major in mathematics.
00:10:57.980 Oh, you'll be set for life.
00:10:59.200 That's so great.
00:10:59.880 And then, oh, sorry, your job went to an Indian. 1.00
00:11:02.640 A low-priced Indian. 1.00
00:11:04.580 Right.
00:11:04.700 And then, also, the Indians and the Chinese and the H-1B workers come in, and then they bring their elderly parents so they can instantly go on Social Security. 0.99
00:11:15.460 Yeah.
00:11:15.620 They can bring the whole village in whom you'll be paying for, America. 0.99
00:11:21.680 Yeah.
00:11:22.080 I think we've, like, invented new casts of Indians just in America alone, like in Silicon Valley.
00:11:26.680 I mean, like, for example, and I totally agree with your prior point where, like, Besson, yeah, like, they have to come out and kind of smooth over everything.
00:11:33.260 And then we can talk about gnomes comments later, obviously.
00:11:36.360 Whoa.
00:11:37.380 But, like, to your point with the H-1B, it's like, okay, yes, they're taking jobs, but they're also, and this is a very valid concern to have, is they're changing our communities. 0.98
00:11:46.520 I mean, there's all across the United States.
00:11:48.000 I grew up outside of Memphis, Tennessee, a very American place that's primarily black and white.
00:11:52.280 It's been that way for its entire existence.
00:11:54.840 The suburb I grew up in, I was looking at the elementary school I was zoned to, and FedEx is headquartered right outside, right outside of this school.
00:12:01.420 So, FedEx has brought in all these H-1B workers.
00:12:04.040 They're battery farming, like Indians, basically. 1.00
00:12:06.180 And the demographics of this elementary school have radically swung from primarily being a black and white school to, like, 80% Asian.
00:12:13.620 And if you break that down, it's mostly South Asians.
00:12:16.140 And so it's like, yeah, the jobs, taking the jobs is, I think, the primary concern, obviously, because that impacts people directly.
00:12:23.200 But even the changing, like, the demographic changing of some of these communities that are, like, around these major headquarters, that's a very valid concern as well.
00:12:31.660 And that's not being addressed as much.
00:12:33.800 Yes, yes.
00:12:34.780 Well, that's pretty much the theme of my book, Adios America.
00:12:37.940 People will talk about these other things, Americans losing jobs, the welfare.
00:12:42.280 They never really talked about the child, right?
00:12:44.860 But, no, I mean, we're allowed to, not only is our culture objectively better than every other culture and country around the world.
00:12:57.240 It works, it glistens.
00:12:59.380 We are the freest country in the world.
00:13:01.760 No other country comes close.
00:13:03.600 Everyone we bring in makes us less free, makes our culture different, makes us less of a high-trust society. 0.96
00:13:10.440 You can take in little, you know, little bits of immigrants. 0.98
00:13:13.740 It's like, you know, putting a spice on a meal.
00:13:16.400 You have a nice filet mignon, put a little salt on it.
00:13:18.660 But if all you're getting is a huge chunk of salt, that's not the same recipe.
00:13:24.020 And it absolutely changes our culture.
00:13:27.860 When we're talking about, you know, some little pissant culture in the middle of the ocean where they're still running around in loincloths and haven't invented the wheel, 1.00
00:13:36.220 oh, be careful, don't interrupt the indigenous culture, we must protect it.
00:13:40.480 Okay, we've got the best culture in the world, and we're not allowed to protect our culture?
00:13:46.280 Yeah.
00:13:46.600 No, I'm totally with you.
00:13:47.880 It is the culture that's being changed, but it's to satisfy the big donors who want the cheap labor.
00:13:56.900 I mean, think of this.
00:13:57.480 This has been a problem in our country since the beginning.
00:14:01.140 Some people's need for slave labor, and that worked out great last time. 0.98
00:14:07.860 Literally, yeah.
00:14:09.020 Well, and then now with the current situation, all this is, like, secondary to the big issue here, which is birthright citizenship.
00:14:16.780 And this isn't being discussed as well.
00:14:18.800 And it's like, that's okay.
00:14:19.860 Again, let's just grant Besson's argument.
00:14:22.000 Let's just grant it.
00:14:22.540 Let's say it's totally valid.
00:14:23.420 We need all these workers in. 0.97
00:14:24.540 And let's just even say we can guarantee compliance.
00:14:26.740 Let's say they're all coming here.
00:14:27.680 They're filing all their paperwork, and they're leaving when they're supposed to.
00:14:29.840 If they pop a kid out here, they're here forever.
00:14:33.000 They're now part of America in perpetuity. 0.96
00:14:36.300 There's no way to, like, get them out.
00:14:38.020 So it's like, this is down.
00:14:40.020 There's so many layers to this.
00:14:41.440 There's so many.
00:14:42.020 We're getting hit on every level.
00:14:43.500 I mean, it's just insane.
00:14:44.420 The birthright citizenship, and I insist on calling it anchor babies and not birthright, but I mean, not just because it's more descriptive.
00:14:55.120 Um, it's one thing to say legal immigrants here who have not yet been naturalized, but we looked them over, we admitted them, um, we want them to be our fellow citizens.
00:15:07.000 It's one thing to say if they drop a baby, that baby is an American citizen.
00:15:11.520 It is another thing entirely to say an eight-month, you know, pregnant Mexican lady runs across the border, evades, uh, you know, border control. 0.67
00:15:21.360 Ha ha, I dropped a baby.
00:15:22.860 You can't throw me out.
00:15:23.760 I mean, it is preposterous that this is what our founders, our framers, were thinking about of the 14th Amendment right after the Civil War.
00:15:31.520 Literally, yeah.
00:15:32.240 No, 14th Amendment was about freed slaves. 0.77
00:15:34.180 That's all it was about.
00:15:35.140 The Supreme Court has held that over and over again.
00:15:37.420 Constitutionally, legally, it is preposterous to apply that to illegal aliens. 0.91
00:15:43.800 It is apparently going to go before the Supreme Court.
00:15:46.040 I hope they follow the law and not, oh, it's been around for a while.
00:15:51.040 We don't want to upset expectations.
00:15:52.760 But it is at least true that Congress and the president could absolutely pass a law and say this is not what the 14th Amendment means.
00:16:00.300 And the president, as long as he is president, could use an executive order to do that.
00:16:04.900 One other thing on the anchor babies, don't be fooled by studies claiming more Americans are on welfare.
00:16:13.700 More Americans are accepting SNAP benefits.
00:16:16.940 Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
00:16:19.180 Overwhelmingly immigrant-headed households, illegal immigrant-headed households, most of all, are massive consumers of welfare. 0.92
00:16:29.100 But they said, but it's for the baby, the anchor baby.
00:16:32.720 They just dropped.
00:16:34.320 Right.
00:16:35.000 Yeah, it's information from CIS, Center for Immigration Studies.
00:16:37.660 They do great work.
00:16:38.380 And the data they use is from the government.
00:16:40.480 So they always get – it's like all they're doing is just filtering it so you can read it.
00:16:44.840 Yes.
00:16:45.180 Because the data they put out, 56% of foreign-born-led households are on some form of welfare, whatever that is, versus I think it was about 43% of Native Americans.
00:16:56.680 So it's like the whole argument that immigration is our strength for insert reason here.
00:17:01.060 You just look at that one data point, it just completely falls apart right in front of your very eyes.
00:17:05.080 I mean it's absolutely insane.
00:17:06.180 And I want to take that and pivot into Kirstie Noem's comments this morning.
00:17:11.680 It was absolutely insane.
00:17:13.080 I'm sure you got a good look at it.
00:17:14.660 The audience for – I mean we discussed it early in the show.
00:17:17.060 For those who didn't see it, the base is obviously like crashing out over this.
00:17:20.980 They're PO'd for good reason.
00:17:23.340 They're saying, Trump, we need an explanation.
00:17:24.820 Like what is this?
00:17:26.180 And Kirstie Noem's like, you know what the base wants to hear right now?
00:17:29.340 Guys, I have good news.
00:17:30.980 They're not illegal.
00:17:32.100 We naturalized all of them.
00:17:34.920 Absolutely insane.
00:17:37.000 No, the explanation is Kirstie Noem is a bimbo. 1.00
00:17:42.500 She was absolutely the cabinet nominee I vociferously opposed.
00:17:48.180 The rest of them I either didn't have an opinion on, some I wasn't wild about, but then, oh, okay, that hearing was okay.
00:17:54.300 Some I really loved.
00:17:55.860 But Kirstie Noem, huge, huge, huge mistake. 1.00
00:18:00.440 Very stupid. 1.00
00:18:01.620 Should be removed from the role. 1.00
00:18:03.120 And, I mean, this is what Republicans were dealing with until Adios America came along.
00:18:09.400 This legal, good, illegal, bad.
00:18:13.780 I mean, it's this instincts they have to be nice to, I don't know, their grandfathers who immigrated from Scandinavia or Ireland.
00:18:22.640 Right.
00:18:23.240 Look, that's so not what we're talking about.
00:18:25.460 Since 1970, about 90% of legal immigrants come from the third world.
00:18:32.860 Yeah.
00:18:32.980 It's basically indistinguishable from illegal immigrants. 1.00
00:18:36.320 But I remember when Trump was running for president in 2016, he was the only Republican president.
00:18:42.100 I mean, until Santorum got blown away.
00:18:44.300 He got like 1% in Iowa.
00:18:45.980 So I'm not counting Santorum.
00:18:47.900 Of the 16 who remained, Trump was the only Republican who did not support amnesty.
00:18:54.260 That's where our party was.
00:18:56.100 Yeah.
00:18:56.320 It's stunning to think of that.
00:18:59.800 So this naturalized them.
00:19:04.100 And that's what we need.
00:19:05.120 That was Ted Cruz's way of being for amnesty.
00:19:09.800 His plan was, okay, they won't come in illegally, but we'll bring in just as many legally.
00:19:19.160 Right.
00:19:19.900 This is kind of defeating the point.
00:19:22.140 I mean, that's why I talk about changing our entire culture.
00:19:24.320 You can't be bringing them in by the million where they live together in little ethnic 0.99
00:19:30.180 ghettos, as we're seeing right now out in Minnesota. 0.93
00:19:33.500 It's the opposite of assimilation.
00:19:36.060 But man, Kristi Noem, that's fantastic.
00:19:38.600 Good job.
00:19:39.340 So you're naturalizing them so that Gavin Newsom will have even more voters next year or three
00:19:46.400 years when he's running against J.D. Vance.
00:19:48.640 Fantastic, Kristi.
00:19:50.240 Yeah.
00:19:50.940 It's just like, oh, it's not a problem anymore.
00:19:53.320 Now I've filed some paperwork.
00:19:54.660 They're good.
00:19:55.420 This is the problem with this class of conservatives that's still around.
00:19:59.300 They're still very present.
00:20:00.240 And obviously here they're flexing their muscles is they just divide the world between Americans 1.00
00:20:04.220 and future Americans.
00:20:06.060 And there's nothing actually distinctive about being an American.
00:20:09.400 And this was one of the last things Charlie Kirk sort of posed to the American people and
00:20:13.200 specifically to the conservative movement.
00:20:14.700 One of the last questions he asked, I mean, you can go look on his Twitter.
00:20:17.500 One of the last questions he asked is, what is an American?
00:20:19.860 Like, if we're going to build out this deportation infrastructure and we're going to tighten our
00:20:26.820 borders up and we're going to sort of reconstitute how we bring immigrants to the country, the
00:20:32.080 question that needs to be answered is, what is an American?
00:20:35.740 Is it paperwork?
00:20:37.240 Like, that seems to be what Kristi Noem's suggesting.
00:20:39.440 And she's like, don't worry.
00:20:40.260 We did some paperwork.
00:20:41.020 They're good now.
00:20:42.060 And yeah, the base obviously is clued in here.
00:20:44.300 But I mean, I want to ask you that question.
00:20:46.860 What is an American?
00:20:49.340 Two things.
00:20:50.280 One is I was amazed.
00:20:52.720 Well, about many things after Charlie Kirk's assassination.
00:20:55.400 But one is I hadn't really watched him for a while.
00:20:57.860 I couldn't believe how great he had gotten on every single issue.
00:21:01.280 He was not always like that.
00:21:03.120 He banned me from TPUSA because of my position on immigration.
00:21:07.500 And wow, did he come around.
00:21:09.600 So he was fantastic toward the end.
00:21:12.740 I had no idea how great he had become.
00:21:16.480 And on what is an American, I strongly recommend all your viewers read the book by the great
00:21:23.720 Harvard professor.
00:21:24.920 I think he's passed away now.
00:21:26.240 Samuel Huntington called Who Are We?
00:21:29.200 I cited extensively in my book Adios America.
00:21:32.520 But yeah, he's a smart guy who said it's more than paperwork.
00:21:39.820 And one of the points he makes, which I think is quite clever, he says, what if America had been
00:21:45.300 colonized by the French?
00:21:48.620 Would we be a different country?
00:21:50.100 Well, no, we'd be Canada.
00:21:52.080 What if America were colonized by the Spanish?
00:21:55.220 No, then we would be Latin America.
00:21:57.180 It is the specific culture brought to us by the greatest culture in the world, the British
00:22:04.640 Isles.
00:22:05.400 And the sun never sets on the British Empire.
00:22:07.620 It just turns out we're the colony that did the best.
00:22:10.700 Yeah.
00:22:11.300 So be it.
00:22:12.000 Well, yeah, well, they sent over all the patriots.
00:22:13.600 That's how it goes.
00:22:14.780 Also, they made this argument with, I don't think you've heard this with the English women, 1.00
00:22:17.520 is that all the best ones came to America and Australia.
00:22:20.420 That's why, like, you know.
00:22:21.600 Anyway, I digress.
00:22:23.220 No, it's true.
00:22:23.960 That's what de Tocqueville wrote, because he said back in, you know, London, they're
00:22:28.940 all fainting of the vapors and having, you know, giving tea to one another, whereas American 0.95
00:22:33.460 women, they were willing to, you know, saddle up and conquer the frontier with their man. 1.00
00:22:38.300 And that's why he said American women had such strong backbone and were so much preferable 1.00
00:22:44.540 to European women.
00:22:45.780 It's the best, man.
00:22:46.400 American women are the best. 1.00
00:22:47.520 They're just fantastic.
00:22:48.580 And we don't need the H-1B amount.
00:22:50.540 We're good.
00:22:50.860 We got it.
00:22:51.640 Uh, I guess kind of back to the Trump thing.
00:22:55.420 So there's been obviously huge vitriol, I would say within the base, but then even within
00:22:59.680 this broader sort of vaguely right-wing movement, obviously there's like the podcast bros, these
00:23:04.060 sorts of people that have kind of piled in once they saw which way the wind was blowing
00:23:07.140 coming into this last election.
00:23:09.120 Some people, I feel like, look, with Trump, I think the utility of Trump has always been
00:23:15.740 that he consistently moves the football down the field.
00:23:17.480 Like you talked about in 2016, all these people wanted mass amnesty, da-da-da-da-da-da.
00:23:22.560 Now mass deportations are at least on the table.
00:23:25.320 And that's primarily because of Donald Trump.
00:23:27.720 Um, but you have a lot of people that are trying to, it seems like, just call it, call
00:23:32.840 it like MAGA dead, dead in the water, saying, oh, MAGA's dead.
00:23:35.540 Um, some people are saying, oh, this is just Biden with a stronger border, these sorts
00:23:40.760 of things.
00:23:41.800 Uh, I don't know.
00:23:42.920 I still feel like Trump is still a viable, I think if, if people, I don't know if you've
00:23:46.420 heard the term chimp out, I think if the base chimps out enough, you can sort of steer 1.00
00:23:51.440 Trump in the right direction.
00:23:52.600 Cause at least it seems like the admin is in some way responsive to the base.
00:23:55.840 Yes, yes.
00:23:58.080 Well, take it from me.
00:23:59.360 Trump can betray you.
00:24:00.540 That isn't the end of MAGA.
00:24:02.500 He betrayed us on the wall when the deportations and DACA and, and I tried to betray, betray us
00:24:09.500 on amnesty, um, really pretty spectacularly term one.
00:24:14.340 Uh, and I started, um, as you just said, sort of gently giving him constructive criticism,
00:24:20.800 like showing up in the Oval Office and screaming at him for 15 minutes.
00:24:24.060 Um, and then I just, I just gave up after, after he signed his third spending bill with
00:24:30.320 no wall funding.
00:24:32.000 He's been fantastic so far.
00:24:34.360 Um, but, but I mean, the most important point is MAGA doesn't die.
00:24:40.460 MAGA is the winning formula.
00:24:42.480 Any Republican who takes that formula will do well. 1.00
00:24:47.180 I mean, I suppose, unless they have some horribly embarrassing scandal, like being stupid, like 1.00
00:24:52.440 Cristino, um, but MAGA doesn't die. 1.00
00:24:57.020 And that is what, part of what really needs to be preserved.
00:25:00.280 I think, I think JD Vance is absolutely true blue MAGA.
00:25:05.220 Um, there are a few others.
00:25:07.180 Oh, Marco Rubio is another one who's completely flipped.
00:25:10.840 Real.
00:25:11.240 Yeah.
00:25:11.520 He, he's like a joke figure in my book, Adios America.
00:25:15.360 Man, has he come around.
00:25:16.900 Yeah.
00:25:17.300 Um, so MAGA is alive and well, and, um, yeah, I think, I think the base does need to put
00:25:25.620 pressure on Trump.
00:25:26.900 I mean, for one thing, I'll give you an example of when I think MAGA pressure worked.
00:25:30.920 Um, I think a lot of the base, I was among them, did not want us to strike Iran.
00:25:37.660 Um, that was back this summer.
00:25:39.400 Right.
00:25:39.620 Um, and you know, because we were just worried, okay, we strike them, then we have troops and
00:25:45.260 then they attack the troops and then, oh my gosh, but then now they're firing on Americans
00:25:49.020 and there we are involved in another ground war.
00:25:50.780 And, but I think you can't run the experiment twice, but I think it was because of the MAGA
00:25:55.640 pushback, including from Charlie Kirk.
00:25:58.140 Yeah.
00:25:58.380 And I think, and I think Steve Bannon, um, it was just the strike and that's it.
00:26:05.360 Yeah.
00:26:05.740 So, okay, fine, fine.
00:26:08.660 You didn't get us involved in a ground war.
00:26:10.900 And in the past, it has been the base that has pulled, it's reeled Trump back in from
00:26:16.540 telling us how wonderful the dreamers are.
00:26:19.120 Yeah.
00:26:19.740 And let's go, let's go.
00:26:21.360 We're going to get some of these wonderful kids.
00:26:23.420 And by the way, you look at them standing there, they're all obese and unattractive.
00:26:27.100 No, no, these aren't wonderful people. 0.97
00:26:29.480 Send them home.
00:26:31.040 Yeah.
00:26:31.580 Oh man.
00:26:32.240 It's yeah.
00:26:32.680 It's, it's, they're not sending their best.
00:26:34.500 It's like the truest thing he ever said.
00:26:36.380 Um, or worse than that.
00:26:38.300 What if they are sending their best?
00:26:40.500 It would explain a lot.
00:26:41.880 That's for sure.
00:26:42.580 It would explain like the entire.
00:26:44.140 Yeah.
00:26:46.400 Um, the one thing I'm sort of, before I like fully.
00:26:49.740 Cause you know, a lot of people are coming on glued on specifically on Twitter.
00:26:52.520 Um, and a lot of it's a valid crash.
00:26:54.260 And I'll concede that I'm still waiting for Stephen Miller to weigh in.
00:26:58.320 Cause from my perspective, he seems to be the guy that has the sort of clearest understanding
00:27:03.780 of the immigration issue and where it's gotten us.
00:27:07.740 I mean, maybe you could explain Stephen Miller's role.
00:27:10.280 Cause it seems like his role is really expanded in this second term.
00:27:14.120 Thank God.
00:27:15.660 Oh, oh yes.
00:27:17.480 I totally agree.
00:27:18.500 When I get depressed, I just fantasize about a Stephen Miller presidency someday.
00:27:22.240 Yeah.
00:27:23.460 No, thank God he's there.
00:27:26.060 And, um, I mean, I almost don't want to praise him too much because, you know, Trump can get
00:27:31.420 his feelings hurt.
00:27:33.540 He might get jealous and get rid of Miller.
00:27:35.960 So no, no, no, it's all you, sir.
00:27:38.580 We couldn't do it without you.
00:27:40.140 We really couldn't do it without him.
00:27:41.800 I mean, he does have a very strong presence and everything, but.
00:27:44.400 But, um, it's, it's comforting to know that Stephen Miller is there and, um, it's very
00:27:51.120 important that, that Trump listened to Stephen Miller and not to the people who give him advice 0.98
00:27:56.140 when everything goes to crap. 0.97
00:27:59.100 I mean, you know, it was Jared Kushner's advice to fire Comey. 0.98
00:28:03.420 Everybody's going to love it.
00:28:04.580 Liberals will love that.
00:28:06.620 Fantastic.
00:28:07.700 And at least according to reporting I've heard in New York, um, he was assuring people in
00:28:12.220 2016, not Trump's not going to build a wall.
00:28:14.960 So I don't know, compare what happens when you take Stephen Miller's advice.
00:28:18.980 Ah, good things happen.
00:28:20.480 Flowers come up.
00:28:21.300 You win elections to what happens when you listen to other people's advice.
00:28:25.920 Is it Lutnick, by the way?
00:28:27.320 I've heard people say it's Lutnick who's pushing for the H1B visas.
00:28:30.740 I have no idea.
00:28:31.440 I know you're interviewing me, but I don't know the answer to that.
00:28:34.420 Yeah, I've heard Lutnick and same thing with the, um, the 50 year mortgage proposal.
00:28:38.080 They're, they're saying Pulte is kind of behind that.
00:28:40.320 So you have these like, yeah, these.
00:28:42.700 These like guys that are just like, I don't know, like settling scores behind the scenes
00:28:46.300 and the, it's strangest, strangest behavior.
00:28:49.360 Um, well that, you know, that 50 year mortgage, this is an example.
00:28:55.200 I could write a book about this.
00:28:56.660 Um, every problem gets easier if it's not entirely solved just by dealing with immigration. 0.84
00:29:04.160 Yes.
00:29:04.760 Just by throwing out illegals, just by not admitting a bunch of poor dysfunctional people from the 1.00
00:29:11.000 most, the most disparate cultures imaginable to ours. 0.95
00:29:14.800 Don't speak English.
00:29:15.820 I mean, the money just being wasted on the translators in court on the arrest, the crime,
00:29:20.560 the jails, the English as a second language classes.
00:29:23.120 And we're not even getting to the welfare benefits and the food stamps, um, and the housing aid.
00:29:28.120 And oh my gosh, they're all getting Obamacare.
00:29:30.520 Okay.
00:29:31.040 Just that gives us so much money.
00:29:33.080 And on housing, I mean, throw a problem at me and I'll tell you why immigration makes 1.00
00:29:38.480 it better.
00:29:38.800 You get rid of all these immigrants who either committed fraud on their legal immigration 1.00
00:29:44.680 applicants, like, oh, for example, Ilhan Omar and all of the illegals. 1.00
00:29:49.000 And wow, a lot of housing opens up.
00:29:50.880 Yeah.
00:29:51.460 Like half of New York city, uh, like right away, like the world's most expensive city becomes
00:29:57.240 pretty, pretty affordable.
00:29:58.320 Like it used to be when, when Trump was growing up, you could like buy a house in Queens.
00:30:02.320 That wasn't unreasonable.
00:30:03.940 And then now, because like the entire world's piled in there and you have like eight Guyanese 1.00
00:30:08.260 people piled into a two bedroom house.
00:30:09.680 It's just like completely Stephen Miller gets it.
00:30:12.060 I've always maintained, you know, there's a lot of people on the right that are expressing
00:30:14.180 concern over rising antisemitism.
00:30:16.100 I think Stephen Miller is the anecdote.
00:30:17.500 He's turned me into a full blown philo semi.
00:30:19.800 I love Stephen Miller so much.
00:30:21.680 He's so good.
00:30:23.260 But, uh, I know so good when you got one on your side.
00:30:28.320 Well, Anne, we're, uh, we're, uh, we're running low on, I thank you so much for taking the
00:30:36.380 time.
00:30:36.880 I don't know if you have any final thoughts and where people, I mean, people know where
00:30:39.320 to find you, but where they could find you.
00:30:41.140 And culture.substack.com.
00:30:44.000 You get a column, a video and a podcast every week.
00:30:46.660 And sometimes just random little jokes I send out.
00:30:48.980 I love it.
00:30:49.680 Thank you so much, Anne.
00:30:50.520 This has been such a pleasure.
00:30:51.880 Thank you.
00:30:52.720 All right.
00:30:53.200 See you later.
00:30:54.720 All right, guys.
00:30:55.540 Well, that was the ankle.
00:30:56.540 That was, that was so fun.
00:30:58.320 She, she was fantastic.
00:30:59.340 Unfortunately, it was for a grim reason, which is like everything that's been going on with
00:31:04.920 Trump and Kirsten Elm specifically.
00:31:07.720 I'm glad she said it.
00:31:08.800 Cause I don't know if I'm allowed to say some of those things.
00:31:10.900 So it's very fantastic.
00:31:13.200 With that, we will be back tonight for Tim cast.
00:31:15.400 I really, at 8 PM, this interview will be up on the culture war at 4 PM.
00:31:18.880 In case you missed it.
00:31:20.160 Uh, fantastic stuff.
00:31:21.860 You can follow me, your host, Tate Brown on X and Instagram at real tape Brown.
00:31:26.160 Come give me a follow.
00:31:27.180 Come hang out.
00:31:28.280 And, uh, yeah, like I said, Tim cast, Tim cast, IRL 8 PM.
00:31:31.860 We will see you all there.
00:31:32.920 Thank you very much.