MAGA REVOLTS After Trump Defends H1-B Visas | Across The Pond
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On this week's episode of Across the Pond, we discuss the latest in the ongoing saga of the H-1B program and its impact on the Trump administration. Plus, we take a look back at Trump's controversial comments on immigrants and their impact on his campaign.
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If they've been relying on American voters to be replaced by a coalition of resentful outsiders
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and welfare-dependent immigrants, then the Republican Party has been the consent manufacturing plant
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for that to happen under the guise of cheap labor and being lobbied by corporations
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I am back for another installation of Across the Pond.
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so I can only hope that we performing monkeys can keep entertaining you
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without having to turn to this knife fight on the cruise ship deck from The Simpsons.
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I mean, look, that's the ultimate that we're here for is we're just content jockeys, content donkeys.
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We're just here to present the news to you in a way that is not putting you to sleep.
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I think a lot of people are excited about the concept of Across the Pond, the British and American thing.
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But with that, we do have a lot of insanity this week.
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So, Trump obviously has this interview with Lori Ingram that drops Tuesday.
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He basically gave a full-thorded endorsement of the H-1B program.
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Well, you know, America actually might need labor from overseas.
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There's no question that's pretty indefensible.
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That's kind of what you would expect to hear from, like, a Democrat.
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I think he was referring specifically, I had in the back of his mind.
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Because the way Trump sort of works is he'll just kind of regurgitate what the last advisor told him.
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So the last advisor was talking about this plant in Georgia.
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And they had to bring over Korean workers to sort of train the locals on how to operate this manufacturing plant.
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And ICE had conducted a raid there fairly recently.
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And so Trump was saying, well, look, we might need to, like, tone that down.
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I think, like, I'd rather just give the gigs to untrained Americans and let us figure it out.
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Because I just don't really trust these visa holders to be compliant with our regulations.
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I mean, we all saw the Vivek December crash out where, you know, he was saying how Americans are intrinsically lazy.
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And, like, because we know we don't do homework all day and we have sleepovers and whatever.
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And, yeah, because people are posting all these H-1B listings where it's just, like, janitor gigs.
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So it's like, okay, I see what Trump is saying, right?
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I see he's like, okay, you know, in theory, you know, you could bring in these workers to help train the locals that maybe are a little, you know, need some guidance or whatever.
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The H-1B program is always used just for battery farming Indians, effectively.
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Yeah, what is it, 71% of recipients are Indian and then the next largest ethnicity is 12%, which are the Chinese.
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And Trump, in the same interview, said, well, we need 600,000 Chinese students to prop up our historically black colleges.
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Is it battery farming the sons and daughters of the CCP and MIT to prop up historically black colleges so that Trump can say he's done more for black people than Abraham Lincoln?
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Look, I believe in trusting the plan and always chimping as a transatlantic strategy as it happens.
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However, I do think that Trump has hit the ceiling of his baseness that all boomers have in that we know for a fact behind the scenes in the Department of Agriculture and the like, in the restaurant industry,
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there have been people that have been lobbying him to tone down the deportations, to rein in Stephen Miller a bit so they can keep their migrant slave class.
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And so when Trump gives this example of the South Koreans working in the battery manufacturing plant,
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he sets up the false binary of, look, we either have illegal workers in a black economy pricing Americans out of their jobs,
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forcing them out of their homes because they can't afford to live in the town cities they grew up in because they don't have well-paying jobs despite taking on tons of college debt,
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or, if we don't have illegal workers, we replace American labor with legal workers,
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presuming that the qualifications in inferior education institutions overseas are exactly on parity with that of American institutions,
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which are much more expensive and much more rigorous, and so if we don't have illegals, we get legals instead.
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And what the problem is, at the heart of MAGA, is that there has been this sort of tech-bro, entrepreneurial, co-belligerent faction that has entered the coalition.
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We think of Vivek, we think of Elon Musk, because obviously it was Musk who first declared that he was going to go to war over H-1Bs,
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and that was his primary issue, was bringing in, you know, Indians to work in Silicon Valley tech firms rather than hiring Americans.
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But the main driving force, whether it's the philosophical national conservatives like J.D. Barnes,
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or whether it's just the middle American patriots who don't need a comprehensive philosophy for why they love their country,
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why they want to protect their people, why they want to preserve their culture, is that Trump, in his immigration and economics rhetoric in this interview,
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is picking the side of the tech bros who treat America as, like, a global bus station, or a global job center, or a shopping mall, or a sports team,
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rather than a home full of family members whose constituent parts are irreplaceable.
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And what people want to hear from Trump is the American exceptionalist rhetoric, but not just American values or America's abilities to generate GDP,
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but it's the fact that all of those things are possible, that America is the gravitational center of geopolitics,
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America is a titan of industry, America is a cultural manufacturing plant, because the American people are exceptional.
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And, you know, as a Brit, I claim credit for spawning you guys, because you are our best invention.
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And when Trump says, no, actually, in order to increase the GDP, we need tons of Chinese students and tons of cheap Indian workers,
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So don't, you know, ostracize yourself from the ability to exert pressure on the administration
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to kick this up the chain from, you know, State Department staffers that are reading their feeds
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and following anons all the way to Vice President Vance and President Trump.
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But do chimp, because they do listen, and they're getting this wrong,
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and if they don't solve the immigration question, they're going to get it wrong intergenerationally,
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and they're going to render multiple states just like California when Reagan did amnesty.
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There's sort of a ceiling for baseness that you can really get from a baby boomer.
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And, you know, Trump, he wasn't, I mean, he's, you know, always been a fairly political guy
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as far as, like, he had opinions, but he wasn't a politico per se,
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and he never really has been, and he probably never will be.
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So when he came into politics, obviously, his first gig was president.
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And the people that surrounded him sort of giving him, like, alternative messaging
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And unfortunately, he takes a lot of their advice.
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For one, that's why you get that moment where, you know, we're saying,
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okay, we need these Chinese students to prop up these universities like the HBCUs.
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That's because someone told him that that's, like, some sort of consulting group.
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That's something you would hear, you know, Nikki Haley say back in the day
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That's crazy, though, because Nikki Haley and her son are to the right of Trump on this issue.
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Like, Nikki Haley is pointing out, saying, as an Indian, no more Indians, please.
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And the HBCUs thing, sorry to interrupt, but it's like, you can guarantee that, as you said,
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a consultant has come to him and said, oh, this is like a one-to-two-point bump among the brothers.
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Therefore, make this marginal inroad with the fair-weather friends of black voters
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who are wedded to the Democrat Party more than they are the wives and girlfriends
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and baby mamas they skip out on, but neglect your majority
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and also your most likely support base, which is young white guys
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who just want to get a job, own a home, and have a family,
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and who are staring down not just an average age of home ownership being 40,
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not just taking on lots of college debt to then work multiple jobs
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that don't actually allow them to repay said college debt
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because they're more technically qualified than the job market will allow,
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but also Trump's solution to lack of home ownership
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caused by mass migration, market competition, and Biden administration regulations is,
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well, let's add an extra 20 years to your mortgage and make you a rent-off.
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It's like, but please, please, I'm begging out here.
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Yeah, well, I think that's why you saw, you're seeing, like, Nikki Haley,
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why you're seeing DeSantis outflank to the right is because I think they've realized
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that the consulting class is part of the reason they are, like, being hamstrung,
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and so now they're listening to their staffers for messaging on a lot of these things,
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even if the policy isn't great, because honestly, like, you pull the hood up
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on a lot of these supposedly really based guys, and you look at their voting records,
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it's not that great, but a lot of times their messaging is good,
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and it's because they're getting it from their, like, Zoomer staffers,
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and they're tapped in, they're obviously on Twitter,
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they're seeing the discourse as it's happening, these sorts of things,
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but for Trump, he's completely insulated from that.
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I mean, I'm somewhat privy to the operations of the White House to a very limited degree.
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I would be surprised if there was a Zoomer that was sort of, you know,
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providing counsel to Trump on a fairly regular basis,
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and you do actually have that with, like, Nikki Haley.
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So, again, she has, like, a pre-built ideology that's just going to be principally opposed
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to America First, but, I mean, on issues like visas, you know,
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her Zoomer staffers are like, hey, this is, like, an easy money, easy winning issue.
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This is the same thing we saw with the Epstein stuff, you know, a few months ago,
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where, you know, by all accounts, Trump, Bondi was just completely out of step
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with what the base felt about the Epstein issue.
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And it's kind of the same thing, which is, look, they,
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That's what they're, that's how they're ingesting sort of takes, I guess you would say.
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So anything that they don't develop organically, they're going to get through Fox News.
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No one on Fox is talking about the Epstein stuff.
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Everyone has, should be upset about how that was handled.
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What I'm saying is that people online really, really cared about this.
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This feels a little different, though, this, this H-1B reversal,
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because the Epstein stuff was always a sideshow.
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It was Elon's idea to even include that as part of the, you know, 2024 campaign.
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But the visa thing kind of strikes at the heart of what, like, making America great again looks like,
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Like, this has been consistently his number one issue, scab labor.
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So that's why the betrayal, it feels a bit more like a betrayal.
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So, but then I want to get to your point as well as, yeah, there's a difference between calculated critiques, chimping.
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There's a huge difference between that and, yeah, these, like, people that I think were almost excited to see Trump slip up.
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So there's, there's an entire sphere that's just so desperate to be able to say, I told you so,
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that they're just waiting for the first instance of Trump having a blunder to then trot out and declare that MAGA is dead, da-da-da-da-da-da.
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And they also, these, these people, when they do declare this, I mean, they're all over this week.
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And they never really provide an alternative to Trump.
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So they, they'll be the first people to ankle by and say like, oh, Trump, you know, he's not the guy or MAGA is dead, these sorts of things.
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They just kind of, because I think right-wing media, the way it's developed thus far was inherently contrarian.
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Because like, if you're, if you're on like the, you know, more further extremities of the right, you were used to being crowded out of institutions anyway.
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So you just naturally developed a like certain degree of contrarianism, where now that Donald Trump is president,
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a lot of these people still have their pre-built contrarianism and they, and they can't shake that.
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They can't accept that they actually have sway over the U.S. government.
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So they just react by spurging in, in every conceivable direction at all times.
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Again, I'm not saying like, again, I'm not saying what happened this week was like overblown.
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Some ways demoralizing, again, I'm not blackpilling.
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I'm just saying it was kind of a gut punch to see.
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But Vance came out yesterday, kind of mopped up the situation.
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The clip is kind of a long clip, so I can just read his direct quote.
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Vance quote, a lot of young people are saying housing is too expensive.
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It's because we flooded the country with 30 million illegal immigrants who are taking the houses that ought by rights go to American citizens.
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So like Vance messaging, this is where I think goes back to what my initial point was with the boomers have a ceiling on baseness is Vance being the first millennial, the first sort of generation that developed their political instincts online.
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That's why his messaging is consistently so good, because he's like, I think he's just like fluent in the zeitgeist.
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He knows what the base is going to want to hear to like relax and calm down.
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And yeah, I mean, there's a tweet here from John Doyle is providing some commentary on it.
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It's so funny because Vance's messaging is literally always perfect, yet the most base to count on here always cite him as the biggest villain who under no circumstances can be allowed to win in 28.
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It really makes you wonder what their true motives are.
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I think it's the just natural contrarianism where they just panic.
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So anytime any power is achieved, they're inherently skeptical.
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They're like, something must be off because we're used to not being in power.
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Not that I agree with it because I agree with you in the, look, with the Trump administration, you've got the first net emigration administration in how many decades?
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I'm not happy that Kristi Noem is saying that she's, you know, rubber stamping various citizenship grants at an accelerated rate, which means that you're stuck with this problem intergenerationally.
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No, you should be denaturalizing and deporting instead of expediting green cards into permanent citizenship.
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But if I may, the success of chimping is that you beat your chest and sound threatening more than you fling turds around.
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Because if it's just turd flinging, then you're the only one that gets covered in poop.
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An apt analogy for talking about H1Bs, I suppose.
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But what I think the guys that are critiquing Vance, saying that MAGA is over, posting the, you know, Fooled Again award are trying to do, is some of them are contrarian.
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And some of them want to be vindicated more than they want to win.
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But I think some of them, though, are playing a game where they're trying to enact political leverage via social disapproval.
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Because, as we can see with Ron DeSantis, as we can see with Nikki Haley, as we can see with Nancy Mace, you know, myself and Will Chamberlain posting, we should denaturalize and deport Ilhan Omar, and then, you know, she brings it forward.
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Politicians want to be liked, and therefore there is the opportunity for containment breaches if they go off script and chase popularity.
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And so what a lot of these guys are trying to do, you know, I've put the Groypers in this category.
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They did the same thing when they went to Charlie Kirk's TPOSA events, queued up, and confronted him on camera about his contradictions with Rob Smith promoting gay sex conservative or not being bothered about legal migration as well as illegal migration.
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What they're trying to do is hold the perception of public support, whether or not it has electoral payoff, hostage to say the Republican Party, if it doesn't concede to all our demands, whether it's on foreign policy, whether it's immigration policy with H-1Bs, the Republican Party deserves to be destroyed.
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And so it would be easier to start from scratch rather than making marginal gains but ultimately taking setbacks.
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Think, you know, Ronald Reagan winning the Cold War but doing mass amnesty, doing no-fault divorce, putting limits on the Second Amendment.
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So basically conceding to the Democrat narrative and putting the right on rails to drift leftward.
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Or, with Vance, and I think these are unwarranted concerns given his rhetoric's always right, he's always on message, both publicly and privately with those group chat leaks, they are on the watch for containment.
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In the UK, in the US, I just did a stream on this about media and political containment in the UK.
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It's a very long stream because there's a lot of it going on.
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But they're worried that Vance, because he worked for Palantir before and they're suspicious about Peter Thiel, because, you know, any guy who talks about the Antichrist that much and then dodges the question when he's asked whether or not he is the Antichrist, fair enough, suspicions.
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I've met Thiel, he's an interesting chap, but, you know, he might be a candidate.
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The idea that he works for a giant surveillance corporation before, the idea that he's had assistance moving up his career, and that his opinions on foreign policy have evolved over time, his opinions on Trump himself have evolved over time.
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People are being hyper-vigilant as to whether or not Vance is a Piper candidate, as Hillary Clinton once said.
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And so what I think they're trying to do is they're trying to get a better Republican Party, or at least a Republican Party, that is more amenable to their concerns about immigration and foreign policy.
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We may disagree or agree with them on some or all of those points.
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However, I do think that they are needlessly ostracizing themselves in the MAGA coalition when they go so far as to back, you know, Kanye or Kamala or Gavin Newsom, whereas they not just critique Vance's positions, not just critique Trump's positions, but say it's over and they insult Vance's family as well.
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Because if Vance's final thing, if I might, one of the main things that's turned people against H-1B visas is just the way Indians behave online.
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Like, they are ethnocentric, they insult white people, they glorified the death of Charlie Kirk and that woman that got knocked out in Cincinnati by the black mob.
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You know, they're very, they swarm, they are insulting, and one of the major irritants was when that Indian woman came up at the TPUSA event,
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monopolized Vance's time, asked about 10 questions, interrupted him answering his own question, and made it personal by saying,
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you sold us legal immigrants a dream, how dare you rip it away from us, and why are you erasing your children and your wife's religious and racial identity?
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And so when you do that, when you do make it personal for Vance's wife, you know, his kids, you will get the administration's ears turned away from you, and you will be considered an enemy faction.
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And so you will no longer be able to transfer your chimping into political leverage.
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So, if you are trying to play it smart, if you are trying to get Trump to walk away from supporting H-1Bs, which you should be very clear about that, you absolutely should.
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Take it from me, we get 250,000 Indians every year, we've just had a river in Oxfordshire turn to the Ganges, it bloody sucks.
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Make sure that you aren't, in your chimping, throwing so many turds that you estrange the other side.
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They just walk away because they don't want to get covered in your shit.
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Right, well, it's kind of, it's the classic trope of like, there's the four quadrants of the political compass, and all four sides are saying,
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when society collapses, my ideology is going to rise from the ashes.
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So it's kind of the same thing with, I think, the specific groups of people we're referring to,
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is they just assume that if there is a power vacuum in the GOP, if Trump gets out of the, you know, something happens, he's ousted, etc., etc.,
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that their insurgent ideology is going to be the one that like, takes control of the car.
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Are you, like, are you new around here, if you think that's the case?
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Like, do you know how absurd Trump, it was for Trump to have the opportunity to be the nominee in 2016?
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But the thing is, he had, he won over a lot of like, just normal Americans.
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The thing with these ideologies that are being pushed now, that are, again, people assume that if the GOP has a power vacuum,
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Most of these people that are making up Trump's base won't be as responsive to like, your very online ideas,
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even if a lot of those ideas I support, it's not going to like, it's not going to play in Peoria as like, as the, as the phrasing is.
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Yeah, I mean, with that, you made the point at the end, the lady who felt like her, her, her immigrate,
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that she was invited, she was invited to the country and was rug pulled effectively is what she was saying.
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This is from a immigration lawyer who has just been crashing out.
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He'd been crashing out because look, this is the beautiful thing.
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So, you know, Trump, obviously horrible, horrible messaging this week is a very bad look,
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but the administration is actually going up on the H-1B system, specifically on abuse quite extensively.
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And my evidence for this isn't the government because, you know, a lot of people are starting to question
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where they're getting a lot of their data from.
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Just look at how the people that are on the other side are reacting.
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So this was Anna Gorsuch, Gorsuch, I think so you pronounce her last name.
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She's a immigration lawyer and she has, she's been crashing out.
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I've been loving looking at her Twitter because she's giving you good insight into what the
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environment right now is for immigration in the United States.
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If you plan to end it, lay out your proposals and be kind enough to allow us to plan.
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Let us sort out how many people get back and give the immigration attorneys you so desperately
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wish would lose everything and die to find a new career.
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I helped them follow it in or out legal or not enough.
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My rescue dog will have to go back to foster care and MAGA will throw a parade.
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Can we, can we edit that into a speech bubble coming out of one tongue?
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You know, when he's thrown on the steps off the theater and regains his consciousness.
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He's like begging to be allowed to, to stay in Rohan.
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I mean, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta consult the group chats, but is the, uh, the giant
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balloons, you know, the tinsel, um, you know, so she, yeah, she's responding this whole crash.
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And then at the end, she says, I have no idea why any immigrant would choose to stay here
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Um, she's responding to Carolyn, Carolyn Levitt, just saying the labor secretary is going to
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We need to, we need to like, we literally need the, you know, the, the concerned wojack
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And if you go to her Twitter, it's still, she's just constantly just losing her mind.
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Cause her entire, her entire career is, if it's immigration law, I mean, if you know
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anything about immigration law, like it's just people trying to take advantage of the
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And then these lawyers come in and sort of institutionalize that scamming and make it
00:24:52.460
Um, yeah, she's just, she's completely melting down.
00:25:00.020
Cause again, this is just, this is good insights.
00:25:01.720
This is good insights into the reality on the ground.
00:25:04.360
Cause people, again, people are dooming so much on, on Twitter, online, online Twitter.
00:25:09.760
Um, this is the reality on the ground is that, look, you know, we're at net negative
00:25:15.620
migration, which would have been unfathomable to two or three years, even Trump won.
00:25:20.360
Like that was not on the table because people for the longest time, I remember this vividly
00:25:24.040
is if you would go on any sort of like conservative podcast or show and say, I think our immigration
00:25:42.480
And this kind of goes back to the idea of like, look, the, for some reason, a lot of
00:25:48.140
people are looking to throw a Hail Marys, but the reality is we're going to have to move
00:25:53.020
the ball up the field about three to five yards at a time.
00:25:56.080
It's going to be just short run plays, but you're consistently moving the ball right
00:25:59.460
down the field rather than going for a Hail Mary, it's going to get picked off half the
00:26:06.420
You know, your Hail Mary would be running a, you know, like a rapper for, for, for president.
00:26:12.740
And, you know, he says a few base things every once in a while.
00:26:21.480
Brings a chocolate milk glass and a net on a TV show.
00:26:31.120
If you're a, you know, you turn into a, you turn into a con cap and you start throwing
00:26:35.480
a lot of picks, uh, if you try to go for Hail Mary.
00:26:38.000
So I don't think it's the best idea to run a candidate for president whose attitude to
00:26:43.240
foreign policy changes on whether or not he's watched 21 Jump Street that day.
00:26:50.940
It's one of the Hail Mary pass goes, I agree with moving the football down the field, but
00:26:54.300
allow me to introduce a slightly more nerdy, less sportsmanly analogy into it.
00:26:58.140
It's all well and good making incremental gains towards getting a touchdown.
00:27:03.180
But if Bain comes on the pitch and blows it all up, you know, and that, that is something
00:27:09.900
It's if you guys lose the next time around, if J.D.
00:27:12.740
Vance is not president for eight consecutive years, America screwed.
00:27:17.820
Because the Democrats have always already realized if they just open the borders and import
00:27:21.860
10 million illegals over a four year period, rob a stamp citizenship, uh, give mass
00:27:27.020
amnesty to the ones that are already here and enfranchise all of them, then you can demographically
00:27:32.680
gerrymander a bunch of states, be permanently blue, no matter who.
00:27:35.580
And this is actually the thing I wanted to pick up on in Vance's clip that you, that
00:27:42.880
Democrats let in, you know, 13 million illegals.
00:27:46.160
Republicans also allowed it to happen too, by the way.
00:27:48.960
But something both Democrats and Republicans have agreed on that has put downward pressure
00:27:53.200
on housing, on jobs, is yet again, and this is part of the conversation about H-1Bs, legal
00:27:59.220
Because I happen to notice that if the Democrats have been relying on American voters being
00:28:06.820
replaced, um, as, there was a New York Times article, I think it was like by Stacey Abrams
00:28:11.340
or something, like four years ago, saying we can replace them.
00:28:13.700
If they've been relying on American voters to be replaced by a coalition of, uh, resentful
00:28:20.660
outsiders and welfare-dependent immigrants, then the Republican Party has been the consent
00:28:27.380
manufacturing plant for that to happen under the guise of cheap labor and being lobbied
00:28:31.800
by corporations who employ Americans to then generate profits, the proceeds of which they
00:28:36.700
use to lobby politicians to import their cheaper replacements.
00:28:39.260
And this conversation has been going on in the last week, of course, um, in relation
00:28:42.860
to Ben Shapiro's comments about housing, because conspicuously when he complained about Zoram
00:28:46.820
Mandani being elected in New York, he didn't mention that it's a product of immigration.
00:28:51.440
He mentioned it was purely a product of, like, ideological leftism and anti-Semitism, partially
00:28:56.520
And then when he recommended, uh, policies that would stop young people from being so dispossessed
00:29:02.700
of not owning property because housing is too expensive, he said to cut regulations and
00:29:07.380
Now that's fine, I don't think New York needs more ugly high-rises, frankly, but the regulation
00:29:13.200
The Biden administration made it much harder to buy homes, actually.
00:29:16.180
Matt Walker did a really good video on this the other day.
00:29:20.800
And do you know how you get more people in America, especially if the majority of Americans
00:29:24.780
are not having enough kids to replace their own population?
00:29:27.460
Hundreds of thousands of Indians via H-1Bs in major cities that are not just sucking up
00:29:33.700
And so, pricing and pushing Americans out of the towns and cities that they grew up in.
00:29:38.280
And you know what's not going to win them over to the Republican side, especially come
00:29:42.140
2028, if there's this massive faction war going on in the Republican base?
00:29:46.560
It's advocating for more H-1B visas, which Ben Shapiro did minutes before defending his
00:29:52.180
And then, when people complain that they can't get a job, they can't own a home, and that
00:29:56.280
their culture feels alien to them because it's been turned into Mumbai or Calcutta, just
00:30:01.440
going, have you considered moving somewhere cheaper?
00:30:03.560
Like, why should you be chased across your own map, like it's a PvP server, and compete
00:30:08.480
with the entire world in a labor pool and for homes and jobs in your own country?
00:30:12.940
Yeah, I mean, it's, back to the analogy of moving the football down the field, it's quite
00:30:17.460
easy when it's just 11-on-11, but when they start introducing hundreds of thousands of
00:30:20.760
Indians on the field, it gets a little bit more difficult.
00:30:25.860
Ben Shapiro comment was really, because he actually used a similar line in the past, I
00:30:31.000
believe it was his conversation with Tucker Carlson, like, way back, 2017.
00:30:34.540
And he was effectively saying, with the economy, he was saying, look, we can try and re-industrialize
00:30:41.780
the Rust Belt, but the reality is these gigs probably aren't coming back, and it would
00:30:45.500
be best if people adapted, they get a U-Haul, these sorts of things.
00:30:50.800
And that caused a lot of uproar, because, you know, this was a peak populism at the time,
00:30:56.480
like the Bannon kind of style populism, I think it was at its fever pitch.
00:30:59.540
And, um, yeah, I remember that line, and so when I saw people freaking out about this
00:31:06.880
new, or I say freaking out, I mean, they were justifiably crashing out over this new Ben
00:31:11.180
Shapiro quote, I thought he was saying the same thing.
00:31:13.740
I was like, I thought we've already had this conversation, like, we know he's, this is his
00:31:16.920
economic policy, he's not, like, a protectionist, like, we know these things.
00:31:19.900
Yeah, and then I watched the clip, and I'm like, oh, no, he's not even talking about, like,
00:31:24.220
tariffs or anything, he's talking about people, like, he's saying that if New York City
00:31:28.960
sucks, like, it's because of the immigrants, he's like, just try to move somewhere with
00:31:35.940
And then, the, okay, the obvious has to be pointed out, um, this, even leftists are
00:31:41.760
pointing this out, it's just so true, is like, he would never say that about Israel, he would
00:31:47.100
never say that you do not have a claim to that land, you should just move, um, he would
00:31:52.180
never ever say that, but for the United States, it's a bit of a different story, saying, well,
00:31:57.020
you know, Americans, you guys move a lot, like, the chuck wagons and everything, and
00:32:00.780
it was like, because that was kind of under our own volition, I shouldn't have to trudge
00:32:05.000
into the wild west, because, like, my entire neighborhood turned, you know, Urdu, speaking,
00:32:10.480
like, overnight, and I can't find a gig, and my car's getting broken into all the time, I
00:32:14.680
should, that, that's not a reason I should have to move, it's just absolutely ridiculous,
00:32:18.740
and then, yeah, I mean, again, I don't know, would he ever make that point about Israel?
00:32:22.260
I don't think so, um, that the entire argument is contingent on, um, well, you know, we, this
00:32:27.780
is our native land from 2,000 years ago, these sorts of things, but Americans aren't allowed
00:32:31.400
to have that intrinsic connection to our land, and nor are the English, really, I mean, the
00:32:35.580
English is obviously a bit stronger case with, uh, you know, thousands of years of presence
00:32:39.980
there, but even at the United States, I mean, where we are, the native population, the heritage
00:32:44.300
Americans, there was no America before we were here, it didn't even have the name, et cetera,
00:32:50.880
et cetera, I mean, everyone watching knows these things, but, yeah, like, to act like
00:32:55.320
people don't have very deep roots where they live is ridiculous, that's, again, if he's
00:33:02.420
talking about the economy, that's a separate argument, it's not even really personal, it's
00:33:05.620
just like, okay, yeah, maybe, maybe we do need to start having conversations about, like,
00:33:10.240
um, protectionism, these sorts of things, but no, he's, he's specifically saying just flee,
00:33:15.580
every time, every time immigrants take over a city, just flee, um, really grim stuff, really
00:33:21.220
just nasty, nasty stuff, especially, yeah, like I said, with the context of, sort of, his
00:33:25.260
position on other issues, um, globally, it's insulting.
00:33:30.020
If the Israelis, if the Jews have a claim to indigeneity in Israel, despite the 2,000 year
00:33:37.060
gap between the fall of the Second Temple and reoccupying the land in 1948, hey, fine, you
00:33:42.640
know, understandable, if that holds true, then the same claim can be applied to heritage
00:33:48.560
Americans whose ancestors, you know, stepped off the Mayflower or have been in various colonies,
00:33:54.060
cities, towns for hundreds of years, and have voted against being replaced in those cities
00:33:59.620
and towns, and instead from both Republicans and Democrats, received high levels of not
00:34:04.140
just illegal, but legal migration that has made it unaffordable to do so, and just made their
00:34:08.800
towns and cities unfamiliar, as you said, when they voted against it, it's not their fault,
00:34:14.560
it's the fault of the donor class, the corporations, and the pundits that make excuses for it, who
00:34:20.520
then, ironically, are undermining the demographic and cultural givens upon which an economy rests.
00:34:26.640
I did a really long video on this on my own channel, reading from various authors like Eric
00:34:31.620
Kaufman and Christopher Lash, but it boils down to this. The economy comes from the word
00:34:36.320
oikos, which means home, which means that the economy and prosperity rests on the families
00:34:44.600
that make up a state, the culture that they pass down across generations, and the high trust
00:34:50.900
society, which is the enabling condition for free enterprise, free markets, free exchange of goods
00:34:56.560
with very little enforcement cost or theft. And so if you change out that population, if you change
00:35:01.640
out their culture for expedient economic gains, you not just destroy the economy, but then you
00:35:05.520
destroy the culture and the country in which the economy is thriving. And as you mentioned,
00:35:11.440
it's not just that Ben knows about the claims of indigeneity in Israel, it's that I happen to
00:35:17.320
notice that Israel isn't importing 100,000 Indians a year, H-1B visas, to fill their tech sector.
00:35:22.180
Instead, they are, unironically, they're developing the space lasers thing. Like, we were talking to
00:35:26.860
a guy when we went to the Israel trip, and he was like, oh yeah, we're developing lasers to shoot
00:35:30.460
down the missiles that are being shot over, because, you know, the Iron Dome's really expensive, but if
00:35:34.560
you can, with AI in a microsecond, focus lasers on the same point in a missile, you can blow it up.
00:35:40.040
And everyone was like, they're real? Wow. Okay. All right, then. Yeah, turns out they don't need the
00:35:44.300
whole of Mumbai to develop that. They're just doing it in, like, Tel Aviv or wherever else.
00:35:48.020
Interesting. So, weird that Ben would then advocate
00:35:51.600
more H-1B visas in the US, and not draw the connection to downward pressure placed on housing
00:35:56.140
by importing hundreds of thousands of people, especially who have higher birth rates than
00:35:59.540
the native population, and need somewhere to live. And this is the losing vision of the
00:36:03.000
Robbuckham Party, mind you. I think this is why there's a battle for MAGA at the moment,
00:36:07.800
and Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes are, like, proxy figures. They might have said some things
00:36:11.500
that are insulting and odious and etc., but what it really is is a battle over whether or not
00:36:16.580
J.D. Vance will be the successor to MAGA, because J.D. Vance's vision is completely different
00:36:20.380
to this, because in his NatCon and then Republican Convention acceptance speech, they're basically
00:36:24.120
the same speech. He said, America is not an idea. It is a nation, which means a people,
00:36:30.160
which means there are an American people with roots and ancestry and a claim to the land.
00:36:35.140
They have been laid to rest in that Kentucky plot that he said that his wife will be laid
00:36:40.380
to rest with him alongside his ancestors who, you know, fought in the Civil War and dug out
00:36:45.820
the coal and worked in the factories, and he wanted to return manufacturing, energy production
00:36:53.520
and well-paying jobs to give dignity to those people who built up that land and acted as
00:36:58.260
its custodians for its culture from birth right through to death when their children laid them
00:37:02.740
to rest in their ancestral cemeteries. What a beautiful vision. It's not just economically
00:37:07.160
coherent. It is a narrative that each American has a place in, and their part in that narrative
00:37:13.740
is irreplaceable. It is a heroic story. Whereas all Shapiro's offering is not a call to adventure.
00:37:19.340
It is not a reclaiming of your birthright. It is retreat. And you know what? Retreat is
00:37:23.300
not a good sales pitch to young people for conservatives.
00:37:26.500
It's doubling down on deracination, because that's like the biggest, that's the biggest
00:37:31.220
thing I think plaguing young men specifically is complete lack of identity. They don't know
00:37:36.920
who they are. They don't have anything eternal to hang on to.
00:37:39.320
Is like a tragedy for Jews? Then it's becoming a diaspora in your own country will be a tragedy
00:37:44.720
Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, we have one more American story here to hit.
00:37:50.280
It kind of ties right in. Actually, it ties in 100%. It's Dinesh D'Souza. I'll just read
00:37:57.460
his tweet real quick. We can put this away quite quickly before we get into our British segment.
00:38:02.800
How ironic it will be if a brown American like Zizek actually helps to fix education and raise the
00:38:10.040
prospects of white kids, while all the professional whiteys on X continue their idle boasting about how
00:38:16.640
they too could get us to the moon, quote, just like some white dudes did in 1969.
00:38:21.380
This is like, this is a next level resentment. That's, he was PO'd writing. It's like he was
00:38:30.460
mad. I don't know. I don't know what happened, but that was like a, this, that was like insane
00:38:35.740
mask off moment. I, I know what happened. Just close my ticket, bro. So I have done a video about
00:38:45.400
this. Dinesh replied to Tyler Olivera's post about him not wanting to put his documentary
00:38:52.620
out about the poop throwing festival because he was getting doxxed and harassed and threatened
00:38:56.240
by a bunch of Indians. Like his phone number got released. The Indian press was saying that
00:39:00.240
his non-existent sister had an OnlyFans. Like it was crazy. Dinesh replied to Tyler's post
00:39:06.200
saying he had been threatened and didn't want to put out the poop festival documentary by
00:39:10.160
saying, look at this festival. Future belongs to the poop throwers. And having a graph of
00:39:17.180
Asian Americans, not all of whom are Indians, by the way, there's Koreans and Japanese fitted
00:39:21.100
in there too, out-earning white Americans on average. Now what, number one, that is a problem
00:39:26.060
in your own country. If the, if the heritage diaspora of your own country are being out-earned
00:39:29.900
by mobile minorities, you should probably go, there might be a cultural problem in certain
00:39:34.300
areas of white America. Not in the same way that Vivek, you know, denigrates American culture
00:39:38.880
and says you need to be Steve Urkel rather than a jock kissing the captain of the cheer
00:39:43.200
team, which is basically the American dream. See, Taylor Swift, you belong with me. But
00:39:47.380
you should probably address that rather than gloat about it. And it's very telling the thought
00:39:52.300
to took the side of random Indian villagers of literally eating cow excrement because they
00:39:56.100
think it cures cancer over his supposed fellow American who is getting doxxed and harassed by
00:40:01.260
said Indians that Dinesh doesn't know, who are Hindus when Dinesh is a Christian, and when
00:40:05.520
Dinesh has made an entire career for decades preaching colourblind, liberal, individualistic
00:40:09.520
meritocracy. You know, I used to listen to Dinesh's Young America Foundation talks back
00:40:13.400
in 2017, back when we were all at the, you know, the left of the real racist stage of
00:40:16.940
the discourse, innocent times. But now he has a total crash out, unprompted, in discourse
00:40:22.060
that doesn't involve them, and then doubles down again using anti-white slurs to protect
00:40:25.680
the fact that H-1B visas can continue bringing Indians into the United States. And so, despite
00:40:30.980
him cancelling guys like Sam Francis and the V-Dare crowd back in the 90s with the book
00:40:35.240
The End of Racism, turns out that they were right. Everyone's a blood and soil nationalist
00:40:39.900
for somewhere, and for Dinesh, it's India rather than America. Which is why, I don't
00:40:44.240
know if you've seen this, but Vauban Books, the publishers of Camp of the Saints, the guy
00:40:47.560
that did the retranslation, they put out a meme of Fred from Scooby-Doo lifting the
00:40:52.100
mask on a ghost, and the ghost costume is the end of racism, and if you lift it up, it's
00:40:56.300
just Camp of the Saints. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I mean, look, all these classic characters
00:41:03.000
of conservatism that we're all, you know, we know and love, we grew up with, this is
00:41:07.080
going to keep happening as the what is an American question discussion advances further and further
00:41:12.200
as we're going to be losing a lot of these guys, because this isn't what they signed
00:41:15.560
up for, this isn't what they fostered. They wanted a very kind of safe conservatism that
00:41:22.360
really just functioned as opposition, where now guys like Vance, like you articulated
00:41:26.960
earlier, who are putting together a vision of what America can and should be, rather
00:41:32.340
than just like what policies he's opposed to that the Democrats are proposing. Part of
00:41:37.240
that, you know, vision that he's developing is he's having to address the question, what
00:41:41.320
is an American? The reason that question has to be addressed is because if we really are
00:41:44.420
expanding our deportation, our deportation programs, denaturalization is going to naturally
00:41:50.960
have to come in into the conversation. And then the question is, well, who do you denaturalize?
00:41:55.560
Because we've been told this entire time that as soon as someone gets off, you know, an
00:41:59.320
airplane at JFK and they get their paperwork signed, they're just as American as someone
00:42:03.640
that is a direct descendant of, you know, George Washington or something. So again, as that
00:42:08.680
conversation progresses, a lot of these guys are going to be kind of coming unglued a little
00:42:14.560
bit. So it's very sad to see. We love denaturalization. I mean, look, I like, I mean, I grew
00:42:19.500
up obviously adjusting a lot of his, his work. So, I mean, I'm not going to, I hate
00:42:23.160
when people, um, just start slamming these guys. It's like, well, to a degree, you should
00:42:28.940
credit them if, if they helped you along your, your sort of intellectual development
00:42:33.140
as, as a young person. But at the same time, it's like, this was completely out of line.
00:42:37.720
He calls whiteys. Like, what are we doing here? That's like a, that's like an Indian version
00:42:43.040
of like a Kanye crash out is when an Indian just gets like pushed to the limit and they just
00:42:47.180
start calling people whiteys and like, like boasting at the poop throwing festival. They're
00:42:50.980
actually kind of sick. You know, you know, the, uh, the meme of the Ninja Turtles being walked
00:42:56.720
along as like baby turtles by Master Splinter and then they're all grown up and they're walking
00:43:00.500
Master Splinter along. That's, that's us, but Dinesh towards a deportation flight. Literally,
00:43:05.940
literally, it's like, dude, I'm sorry you got us this far. I have some bad news for you.
00:43:13.820
Joke. It's a joke. It's a joke. No, it's a joke. I genuinely liked, I liked Dinesh. It's,
00:43:19.120
I, you know what I really appreciate? He did that debate a while ago. It was with Fuentes,
00:43:22.500
right? It was on, um, yeah, yeah, it was, no, it was, I didn't watch the full thing,
00:43:26.620
but I saw the clip of like one kind of obnoxious guy who I presume is a griper phoning in and
00:43:31.420
just saying he had a question for Dinesh and just started shouting, do not redeem. And Dinesh
00:43:34.960
was laughing really hard. Like he took it on the chin. Like this is, this is the thing,
00:43:38.600
right? If, if Dinesh sees this, this is what we actually want. We want to be able to joke
00:43:42.120
about our differences. We don't want constant foreign ethno politics playing a part in our
00:43:48.080
politics. We don't want a double standard of everyone being allowed to play identity politics,
00:43:51.580
but then heritage Americans, white Brits, et cetera, aren't allowed to have to agitate for
00:43:55.960
their own interests in their own country. And just being frank, we just think poof-throwing
00:44:01.340
festivals are disgusting. And so we should have our borders open to areas of the world that
00:44:04.600
practice it. Sorry. And you should, you should think that's gross as well, considering you're
00:44:08.400
a Christian. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't want to hear any talking, any crap about him not eating
00:44:12.760
with his hands. If you're okay with the poop, they're invested. It's even worse. It's even worse.
00:44:16.920
Also like, yeah, I think at the very, at the very least, I would just appreciate if guys with names
00:44:21.400
like Dinesh and Vivek didn't operate with a huge chip on their shoulder. Like, yeah, you can keep the
00:44:25.660
name, just drop the chip. That's all I'm asking. Be like Nailen Haley. Absolute patriot. He said he is
00:44:31.240
setting the tone. Everyone should be like him, quite frankly. You think even the whiteys could
00:44:34.820
learn a thing or two from him. But, uh, anyway, with that, we'll get into the, uh, some of the
00:44:40.840
news out of the UK this week. Um, not much good news coming out. Um, unfortunately it's been a while
00:44:46.980
since I've seen some, like a white pill out of the UK. Um, I'm seeing this headline here.
00:44:52.280
Go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, speaking of denaturalization and deportation, the news story
00:44:57.320
out of the UK this week is whether or not we're going to bring Shemima Begum back. This actually has
00:45:00.740
implications for the U S because Trump administration is currently negotiating with
00:45:05.840
the new Syrian president, the jihadist who's renamed himself, uh, Ahmad Al Sharar. Trump was like, you
00:45:12.740
know, he has a rough background. Everyone has a rough background. He called him a handsome young
00:45:17.100
man and he joked how many waves he had. Cause he said, you can't tell from that part of the world.
00:45:20.460
I mean, like Chad move probably shouldn't be, you know, yeah, I understand you need to play
00:45:25.280
strong man politics. You need to court these kinds of people, but he's not the best guy to pal around
00:45:29.940
with. However, what Trump's trying to do at the moment is negotiate with the Kurds who run parts
00:45:34.640
of Northern Syria because new president Syria, jihadist in question wants complete jurisdiction
00:45:40.820
over it. There's a lot of oil in the area. And of course the Americans would quite like to lock
00:45:44.800
the oil down and also keep the Russians out on getting it because that was one of the original
00:45:48.520
reasons for the conflict in Syria. Tim's talked about this a lot before it was building the, the
00:45:52.980
Qatar Turkey pipeline through Syria in partnership with Russia. Anyway. So what they want to do is I'm going to
00:45:57.800
close down this massive, what they call a refugee camp, but it's literally like a jihadist training
00:46:01.720
camp where all of the ex ISIS detainees have just been milling about in the desert in Syria. There's
00:46:06.920
like 30,000 of them. One of them is this girl called Shamima Begum. She was a, an ISIS bride who
00:46:12.500
absconded from the UK with, with two other women who were born and raised in London and magically the
00:46:18.560
soil didn't work and she wasn't integrated. She was, she was born in Bethnal Green, which is that,
00:46:22.360
do you remember we were talking before about the Muslim area that had the guys in balaclavas
00:46:27.800
through it? It had the, the tube sign in Bengali exactly there. It's literally like a Bengali slum,
00:46:32.680
right? So she traveled to Syria to join ISIS in 2015. She ended up marrying a Dutch Islamic convert
00:46:37.580
called Yago Redjik, had three kids, all of whom died because you know, they're living in the middle
00:46:43.840
of nowhere. Um, hygiene isn't exactly a great thing when you're practicing the habits of seventh century
00:46:48.800
Arabia. And she was stripped ironically, um, in a sort of subcontinental ethnic feud of her citizenship
00:46:55.960
by the home secretary who himself was a Pakistani Muslim, Sajid Javid. We just have a revolving door
00:47:01.020
of Pakistanis running the UK home office over here in 2019 because he claimed that giving her
00:47:06.340
citizenship would not be conducive to the public good. Now, the good thing about the story was
00:47:11.100
actually it kept getting upheld. So her lawyers, um, kept contesting that, you know, she had been
00:47:17.300
groomed. She was actually the victim. She should be brought back and tried. But because Bangladesh has a
00:47:22.920
just sanguinist citizenship law, so it's by blood, it means that she would be hypothetically eligible
00:47:28.100
for Bangladeshi citizenship. So she would not be stateless if she was deprived of her British
00:47:33.080
citizenship. So the High Court upheld it. The Supreme Court wouldn't hear it. She's left to rot in the
00:47:38.700
desert. And we now have a precedent for denaturalizing and deporting people if we can allocate them
00:47:43.040
citizenship elsewhere. The problem now is that because the Trump administration are trying to
00:47:48.300
negotiate the close of this camp, there's a lot of pressure on the UK government, even on the likes
00:47:53.300
of Reform UK, who are trying to make inroads with the Trump administration, because Nigel Farage
00:47:58.040
suggested he would be up for this. But there's been a lot of pressure placed to bring Shemima
00:48:01.640
Begum back rather than letting her rot in the desert, because they want to close this camp.
00:48:06.380
And so there's this thing that's called, like, the Independent Commission on UK Counterterrorism.
00:48:10.560
It's one of these NGOs that tries to posit itself as an independent, neutral body.
00:48:14.200
But the members of this include Dominic Grieve, who was a former Conservative MP and Attorney
00:48:19.820
General, massively anti-Brexit, got kicked out of the Conservative Party by Boris Johnson
00:48:23.200
in 2019, because he was too left-wing even for Boris Johnson, who was just chairing an
00:48:28.080
Islamophobia definition board for the Home Office. So trying to criminalize, like, criticism
00:48:34.440
of Islam. And Saeed Avorsi, who was a baroness, independent, but used to be the chair of the Conservative
00:48:40.740
Party, whose chief of staff ran a unit in the Home Office called RICU. So it was the Research
00:48:46.260
Information Communications Unit. And it's basically like the Department of Justice's
00:48:49.920
Community Relations Service, where whenever a terror attack happens, they control the front
00:48:53.720
covers of newspapers, they bus imams out to the site of the terror attack for photo ops,
00:48:58.420
they feed the families of the victims lines to say on the media, and they staged, for example,
00:49:04.740
in the aftermath of the 27 Manchester Arena attack, the big concert with Ariana Grande that
00:49:08.740
said, don't look back in anger. Like, that was centrally planned by the government to stop
00:49:12.260
you from blaming Islam. The worst example of this as well, 2014, there was an ISIS beheading
00:49:17.260
of an aid worker called Anand Henning, and the Sun newspaper ran a photo of a woman in a
00:49:22.480
Union Jack hijab that had been prefabricated by a group called Breakthrough Media with the
00:49:27.760
Home Office. RICU called it Our Product. It had been made as part of a charity called Inspire,
00:49:34.260
with a woman called Sara Khan, who went on to become the Home Office's, like, independent
00:49:39.780
extremism commissioner. You know, similar titles here. Her sister was running RICU at the time.
00:49:44.720
RICU was ran by the chief of staff to Saeed Avorsi, and she's now part of this committee. They're
00:49:50.340
saying, oh, bring Shemima Begin back. It just so happens that you constantly run defence for
00:49:56.620
actual jihadist attacks and terrorists. And you say, don't you dare be Islamophobic. And you
00:50:03.000
state money to constantly gaslight the population. And they're saying that if she's left in the
00:50:06.980
desert, this will basically be Britain's Guantanamo Bay, right? It will be untenable according to
00:50:12.080
international human rights law to have this jihadist rotting out there because she absconded
00:50:17.000
from our country, betrayed it, and tried to join ISIS. Bear in mind, she was part of the morality
00:50:21.100
police, literally, like, watching as people were getting their heads cut off. She was apparently,
00:50:25.080
according to witnesses, sewing suicide vests together. Like, absolutely reprehensible evil
00:50:29.740
person. And now we've got the press, politicians, ex-politicians, independent bodies, lawyers,
00:50:36.320
et cetera, all lobbying to bring this woman back to, what, try her and have us house her
00:50:41.000
at our expense until she inevitably gets released and, like, joins another jihadist group or something?
00:50:46.040
She's totally unrepentant. Why should she be here?
00:50:48.240
Yeah. Well, this is like, this is, there's actually the UK, a rare instance where I think
00:50:54.720
the UK might actually have a more based, um, sort of standard on this sort of thing because the US
00:50:59.640
repatriates these citizens from these camps. It happened a lot. And I think in the first Trump
00:51:03.940
term, um, versus the UK, as far as I know, zero repatriations, um, they just stripped the
00:51:10.800
citizenship. Like the, the Americans lost it. There might be one actually. So the guy who interviewed
00:51:16.000
Shemima Begum a couple of years ago, uh, for, I think it was ITV has been doing the rounds and
00:51:22.980
they've been asking him, well, do you think she should come back? Cause you know, personally,
00:51:25.920
you still text her and that. And he said, it's funny. Apparently one of the members of a terror
00:51:30.840
group called the terror twins has already been brought back, but just nobody's been told.
00:51:35.720
So the government, much like when they were importing the like Afghan, uh, interpreters that
00:51:40.240
ended up being Taliban fighters and drug dealers and rapists, the government have been hiding
00:51:45.000
it from the public again. Like they've been hiding the fact that they've been importing
00:51:47.720
Palestinians over as well on chartered flights from Jordan, giving them full scholarships to
00:51:52.120
UK universities. I'm sure they're going to make good use of their engineering degree
00:51:55.340
at our expense. And they've just been doing it by the hundreds and just not telling us.
00:51:59.000
So I wouldn't be shocked if eventually she gets brought back and we just like find out about it
00:52:02.300
later. I mean, that would, that would destroy a very base precedent. Like you were saying earlier is
00:52:06.440
like that we are able to just strip citizenship because the United States just doesn't do that.
00:52:09.840
The United States, I think it's like 50, 60 plus us nationals that have been repatriated with ISIS
00:52:15.740
links. And, um, the main argument is like, we just legally wouldn't be able to strip them of
00:52:20.700
citizenship, even though they were literally in ISIS by all accounts. Um, and then they also,
00:52:26.300
there's also this argument that's like, okay, well, if you leave them in that camp and, um, and
00:52:31.040
whatever, then you run the risk of them becoming even like more radicalized, like, uh, you know,
00:52:35.720
enacting, putting together more terror plots, these sorts of things versus repatriating them to
00:52:39.820
the U S putting them, putting them in a court, putting, or putting them on trial, throwing
00:52:44.480
them in jail problem solved. But the reason, again, the, the reason why the UK model is
00:52:50.240
so important here is because it allows you to start having conversations about denaturalization
00:52:55.080
and the UK is not the only country I believe. I believe, I think, uh, France and Germany have
00:53:00.600
also stripped citizenships before. I'll fact check that after, but I know that they're very
00:53:05.040
reluctant to accept repatriated repatriations, um, of ISIS members, Canada, Australia, like
00:53:12.100
a handful between them. It's really only the U S that has this, uh, model where they repatriate
00:53:18.840
citizens from these detention camps. Um, and then the other you prosecute, obviously they
00:53:24.380
prosecute these, these people. Um, but oh my gosh, the thing about the thing that's so gay
00:53:30.480
about the, I think the UK situation is they're not using the American, um, the American sort
00:53:38.400
of theory on why you should repatriate them, which is like, okay, to put them on trial,
00:53:41.580
dah, dah, dah, dah. They're just saying, no, it's, she should come back because she could
00:53:44.560
help make the country. Um, she could help improve the country in some way. She has so much to
00:53:49.500
add. This is such a human rights violation. Like, why are, why are we doing this? I remember
00:53:52.780
I was seeing tweets about like, um, there's, they were showing pictures of her and they're like,
00:53:56.960
you can just see in her eyes. Like, this isn't who she is. She's so much better than this. Like,
00:54:01.060
uh, this, you can just tell she wants to change. I was like, are we, are we conducting our
00:54:06.580
counter-terrorism strategy off of like vibes now? Is that the new, is that the new play? I wasn't
00:54:11.180
aware of this. Can I, can I reach a sensible compromise? I was arguing with, are you familiar
00:54:15.400
with a guy called, uh, Peter Hitchens by any child? Yes. No, I'm very well. Yeah. Okay. So he is,
00:54:22.140
he's Britain's most curmudgeonly man. I, I describe him as Denethor because his advice
00:54:27.820
for young men in Britain is leave while you still can. But he has been advocating for
00:54:33.000
bringing Shemima Begum back because she hasn't been tried yet. So basically like one in terrorist,
00:54:39.620
one out native British. And so he's basically like saying flee, abandon your posts, men of
00:54:44.920
Minas Tirith, let all be walked in. So anyway, I was, I was arguing with him because he wasn't
00:54:48.640
even saying human rights. He was saying it wasn't the Christian thing to do to allow her
00:54:53.020
to rot in a desert after joining ISIS, you know, and she, this famous interview, there's
00:54:58.420
a, there's a hilarious clip of it that I'm sure people will be able to find where she
00:55:01.520
says, well, I haven't done anything wrong other than join ISIS. It's like, yeah, that's
00:55:04.920
pretty significant. You know, like the fact that you've admitted to that means that's just
00:55:09.120
a guilty verdict. Like we can, we can just fast track that, you know, you know, you know,
00:55:14.160
everyone, you know, like I, I was vegan for like a month. Um, you know, I had a buddy,
00:55:19.040
he drives an electric car. He just got called out on that. And you join ISIS. Like, you know,
00:55:22.480
these things happen, you know, it looks like it's, you know, no one's perfect. It's just
00:55:25.900
a face. Everyone's got a rough past. Yeah. All of, all of us have had the temptation at
00:55:29.620
some point. And, uh, so I was saying to you're at the boys, like, should we just join ISIS?
00:55:34.780
Why not? Something to do for the weekend, at least, you know? So I was saying to Pete Hitchens,
00:55:39.840
the compromise we can reach is rather than, you know, have the thorny issue of her sitting in the
00:55:44.100
terror camp for ages and, you know, possibly sponsoring other terrorists or rather than
00:55:49.200
bringing her back. And, and he was really confused when I said that, you know, making the British
00:55:53.180
taxpayer pay for a house. And he was like, well, why would I didn't advocate such a thing? Peter,
00:55:57.280
if she was tried and then went to prison, we'd be paying for her, like we'd be paying for her cell,
00:56:00.780
her food and her mosque. So yeah, we would rather than doing both of those things. Can we just turn
00:56:04.940
her into a fine red mist in the middle of Syrian desert? Like, I think that would be sensible.
00:56:08.780
Like I know, I know people are a little bit, um, touchy about that sort of thing in terms of,
00:56:14.100
the fact that foreign adventurism has been unmitigated disaster throughout the last how
00:56:19.560
many years. But I think if we know where our own homegrown Islamic terrorists are, if we
00:56:26.160
are enduring the threat of them being brought back and causing more problems, and bear in
00:56:30.380
mind, there have been multiple, uh, attempted and successful female terrorists. There was
00:56:34.960
a woman who stabbed a Labour MP in 2010. There was a recent case where there was a woman who
00:56:40.320
was, uh, she was like the, the nickname of the mother of the Taliban or something. And
00:56:44.760
the police had to retake her mugshot because her lawyer claimed it was offensive, that she
00:56:48.300
took it without a burqa on. So it's literally like there's a mugshot of her face and then
00:56:52.080
a mugshot of her just with the eyes slit. We are such a joke country.
00:56:57.080
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally, like, it's just a legion of ninjas. So if we return to Shemima
00:57:00.860
Begum, she could be a genuine threat. Rather than just doing that, let's reach the compromise
00:57:05.540
of just executing an enemy combatant where it's clean to do so. And the idea that that's
00:57:12.920
not the Christian thing to do, sorry, but Christ multiple times in the Bible said and
00:57:18.560
did, use force to correct immorality. Not just the turning of the tables, not just the
00:57:23.920
sell your cloak so you can possess a sword, uh, not just the Gospel of Matthew verse that
00:57:27.940
says you're better off tying yourself to a millstone than trying to enter the kingdom
00:57:31.140
of heaven if you violated a child. Like, look at Revelation, for example. There are all
00:57:36.100
of these instances where righteous violence is possible. And I think that if you have
00:57:41.160
tried to violently overthrow Christendom and rejected your civilization, um, just like you
00:57:47.920
wouldn't get $200 if you keep passing go but stealing from the bank, you shouldn't be
00:57:52.700
afforded the grace of its laws, and so you should probably meet the sharp end of a drone
00:57:56.780
strike. Yeah, absolutely. I think potentially Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, and then with his
00:58:02.780
new name, I think if he wants his titles back, he should get back on his Falkland Islands era
00:58:07.720
warship and just start shelling the crap out of, like, you know, Syria and Yemen and stuff.
00:58:12.600
And then, like, you know, eventually if he's knocked out enough of these, you know, these
00:58:16.220
Shemima types, then maybe you could get, maybe not Prince, but we'll throw him a cool name,
00:58:20.260
like, you know, you know, Doctor or something. That's just an idea. I'm just spitballing here.
00:58:24.520
I, I, I, you know what, I think given, given, given the dark cloud of allegations hanging
00:58:28.640
over him, we can exile him to Epstein Island, but, um, when Harry is eventually dumped by
00:58:32.800
Meghan and sort of crawling embarrassingly back to sleep on his brother's sofa, maybe
00:58:36.700
he can get in an Apache and do it instead. Like, he, he might be next in line for royal
00:58:40.440
redemptions. It'd be like a Neil Ellis kind of arc, that'd be kind of nice to see.
00:58:44.100
Yeah. He has to, he has to wear the, uh, the Halloween party uniform, though. You know
00:58:47.520
which one. Yeah. Him and Trudeau could run duos in Syria, like Fortnite. That'd be
00:58:53.020
beautiful. That'd be a beautiful thing. I'm also seeing, this is, maybe you can outline
00:58:57.360
this a little bit, because this story, this, this was not on my radar at all. Uh, later
00:59:01.740
leadership crisis. I've, I've heard about the, you know, labor. There's been some, um,
00:59:05.660
there's been a little, uh, knife fight, so to speak, but, um, there's a whole plot to bring
00:59:11.680
Starmer down. Is this what's, is this what's happening? I didn't realize it'd gotten to this
00:59:14.740
I think it's still rumbling along, because you're, you're getting leaks from, from Downing
00:59:21.100
Street now at this point, and when that tends to happen, it's because they've lost all narrative
00:59:24.520
control. So, Starmer's an advisor who positions himself as a sort of, um, left-wing populist,
00:59:32.720
you know, a left-wing on economics, but can, can outflank reform rhetorically on migration,
00:59:38.120
despite labor now slumping to fourth in the polls overall. They're behind the Green Party,
00:59:42.460
and the Green Party are literally just the gay race communist party. Like, they're led
00:59:45.360
by a guy who changed his name to be more Jewish, and a deputy leader, whose name is Mothin
00:59:49.280
Ali, who, when he was elected as a councillor in 2024, shouted, Allahu Akbar, this is for
00:59:53.500
Gaza. What this has to do with growing vegetables, I don't have any idea.
00:59:58.360
So, so, now, because of Starmer's record on popularity, he's literally the most unpopular
01:00:04.400
prime minister since records began, because he has been incapable of handling the civil service,
01:00:10.140
because he hasn't brought migration down, because the economy is spiraling out of control
01:00:13.540
under him, and Rachel Reeves, who has been nicknamed Rachel Thieves, because she has put
01:00:17.980
an income tax on, uh, farmland. So, obviously, you're not going to be able to pay it unless
01:00:22.920
you sell off the farmland to, like, some megacorp so they can build a migrant battery farm on
01:00:26.660
it. And she's set to probably break a manifesto pledge in the next budget on the 26th of November
01:00:32.140
by raising income tax. Bear in mind, we've already got the highest level of tax since 1948.
01:00:36.620
We had that under the Conservatives, and it just keeps going up. And the economy is in
01:00:40.980
total freefall. You know, GDP is 100% of, of debt is 100% of GDP. There's marginal growth.
01:00:47.600
It's shrunk each quarter. So, when that budget goes through and it's record unpopular, people
01:00:53.300
think not only is she going to be scapegoated, but in a rarity for the Labour Party, they might
01:00:58.820
vote against Kirsten with a vote of no confidence. Uh, his deputy, Angela Rayner, just got ousted
01:01:03.700
as well because of a dispute about not paying tax on one of her homes that she bought. It
01:01:09.980
was like a second house. She didn't pay the stamp duty, even though she advocated for increasing
01:01:13.160
stamp duty as a tax to take more taxes from homebuyers. She's very popular in the party
01:01:17.900
because she's Northern, a woman, very foul-mouthed, and incredibly far left. And so, the rabid base
01:01:25.660
of the party who thinks Starmer is capitulating to the right, even though Starmer keeps calling
01:01:30.000
everyone far right, hate him, they really like her, and they're infuriated that he got
01:01:34.620
rid of her because she was a hypocrite and the media had to make wind of it. So, now that
01:01:38.920
Starmer is alone on an island of strangers, so to speak, the blades are starting to be
01:01:44.240
sharpened. So, Wes Streeting, who I've often called Brutus in waiting, he's the health secretary,
01:01:49.200
and he has been biding his time going for leadership. Wes Streeting would be an unmitigated disaster
01:01:54.880
because even though he tries to position himself as a moderate, one, he's got the least trustworthy
01:01:58.680
physiognomy known to man. And, you know, God rest him. You know when they used to make
01:02:03.880
those memes of Charlie Kirk with, like, his face shrunk on a really big head? That's
01:02:07.660
just Wes Streeting's face. It's horrifying. So, Wes's career is interesting. He co-wrote
01:02:13.220
the Islamophobia definition on behalf of the all-party parliamentary group on British Muslims
01:02:17.520
in, like, 2018 to 2019. He's a gay man, by the way, not a Muslim. And this particular
01:02:23.040
definition said that conversations about the grooming gangs are rooted in anti-Muslim racism.
01:02:27.360
The definition, by the way, you'll love this. It's very similar to the what-is-a-woman
01:02:30.800
definition. It is, Islamophobia is a kind of racism, rooted in racism, that targets Muslimness
01:02:36.960
or perceived Muslimness. Our brightest mind, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. He was also a member
01:02:43.440
of Stonewall, you know, the LGBT charity. And... I don't know him too well, but... Well, yeah,
01:02:50.060
yeah, yeah. You have some inside knowledge. What's going on? What's going on over there?
01:02:54.780
My friend told me about it. Um, yeah. You don't know her. She goes to different school. So,
01:02:59.500
he was a Republican staffer. They'll know all about it. Oh, yeah. They're all experts.
01:03:05.020
All the guys in Natalie Winter's DMs are, like, fully paid-up members, I'm sure. Um, so...
01:03:10.060
That's true. He was running their campaigns, and as health secretary, he has upheld a high-court
01:03:15.980
ban on giving puberty blockers to young people. So people were like, oh, maybe he's moderating
01:03:20.380
on the issue. But what he's done is open an uncapped trial with £10 million in funding
01:03:26.460
with the NHS to give children puberty blockers. Despite the cast review, despite all the horror
01:03:31.500
stories coming out, despite the fact that the trans issue has been basically settled, including
01:03:35.340
by the Supreme Court that's now ruled on the what-is-a-woman question and said it's a matter
01:03:38.300
of biological sex, his health department is still drugging children and castrating them.
01:03:43.340
En masse, we don't even know how many children. So he would be an absolute disaster.
01:03:47.260
And the alternative is Shabona Mahmood. Good British name. Very British, yeah.
01:03:51.740
Yeah, Pakistani Muslim Home Secretary who says that you can't say that she's not English because
01:03:56.380
that's racist, even though she's born to two Pakistani parents and was raised in Saudi Arabia.
01:04:00.140
And she says that her Sunni Muslim faith is the most important thing in her life and informs
01:04:04.620
everything she does in politics. I believe her. She also endorsed this Islamophobia definition.
01:04:09.660
But in recent weeks, including today, after this report has come out about Starmer being
01:04:16.540
under threat, she is trying to position herself as an immigration hardliner. So she is saying
01:04:22.540
that the Boris wave, the millions of immigrants granted indefinite leave to remain since Boris
01:04:27.980
Johnson brought them in after Brexit. And indefinite leave to remain means, and you're not going to
01:04:31.580
believe this, if you're in the UK for five years, you're just here, right? No matter on what visa,
01:04:36.460
no matter what you've overstayed, no matter what job you're doing, what you're earning,
01:04:39.420
what crimes you've committed, you get the right to remain in Britain forever, you get the access
01:04:44.300
to claim all benefits, you get the access to socially subsidised housing, you get the NHS,
01:04:49.580
so socialised healthcare, and you get an expedited route to citizenship for you and your children.
01:04:54.780
So the Boris wave is going to get that, and the bill for that, just like two years of the Boris wave,
01:05:00.300
is going to be $234 billion minimum. So she said, don't worry, the hundreds of thousands of people
01:05:07.660
that are eligible for this, you know, 95% of whom are never going to be net taxpayers,
01:05:12.700
all of whom weren't invited here because the public voted against immigration in Brexit and
01:05:16.860
with electing Boris, those people will have to wait 10 years to claim benefits. Wow, we're just
01:05:22.860
going to kick it straight into the long grass, don't worry, the bill won't come due for a little
01:05:25.980
while, guys. It's a bit like the mortgages that Trump's putting up. And she's also done these
01:05:30.540
like slick videos on Twitter saying the Home Office is deporting 50,000 immigrants, most of
01:05:35.660
those are paid voluntary returns, by the way. Like the Ethiopian sex offender, they paid 500 pounds
01:05:40.460
to get out of the country. And then she's tried to make these charities, this is something you flagged to
01:05:45.020
me, uh, induct migrants on this like forced volunteering scheme. Dude, it's all good for
01:05:52.380
prisoners in America, we just throw it, get them a stick with a neon and work their way down the
01:05:56.060
highway. It's like the same idea. It works. It's not a Harris solution, yeah. So, look,
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the problem that she's got is because she's a demented open borders leftist and Islamic activist
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and always has been, the charities she's tried to conscript have all signed a letter saying no.
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So, 320 organizations, including the National Council for Voluntary Organizations,
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the Charity Retail Association, and Age UK and Citizens Advice have said they can't
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accept the unworkable proposal because it would be inhumane to force illegal immigrants that are
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staying in five-star hotels at my expense, getting pocket money, DJ lessons, playstations,
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and phones, I'm not exaggerating, and have a mini bus to take them on day trips to the seaside.
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It would be unfeasible for them to spend an hour a week picking up literal working in soup
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kitchens. The only saving grace by the fact that they've been denied this proposal is that they
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won't be working any children's charities anytime soon.
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I, like, we should be making them do, um, to test them. They should be, like, working,
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like, I'm thinking stateside. We should make them work at, like, a Waffle House just for,
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like, two or three weeks. Um, you know, maybe make them work, um, like, in a senior home,
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be, like, the diaper changers. They kind of already work those gigs anyway. I'm just trying to think of,
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like, frontline, like, truly the American gigs that you're, like, getting the brunt of the
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American underclass and, like, in all of its, in all of its glory. And I'm thinking, like,
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yeah, work in the desk at, like, La Quinta. You know, people are coming in to, like, just,
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you know, cheat on their wives and do drugs and stuff. And you're just interacting with that.
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And then you can, it's, it almost helps the refugee more because then they're like,
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I don't know if I want to stay here. If this is, like, really, you know, America and it's all,
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all of its, you know, brevity, I don't know if I'm ready. And I think that could be the solution.
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So I think, you know, the charities don't worry about that in the UK. Maybe you make them work
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at, like, a Greggs. I think that'd be nice. They won't, this is actually a good litmus test.
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They won't work at a Greggs because of the sausage rolls. So my idea, my idea for America is,
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of course, make them, make them staff the Walgreens in Brooklyn. And my idea for Britain is make them
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staff dog shelters. I don't, I don't think we're gonna have an interview for tomorrow. Um,
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this was just kind of a weird week. Uh, but we're getting into a good rhythm. I, so full disclosure,
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we're setting up a studio at Timcast, um, primarily for this purposes of this show.
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Well, that's nice to, uh, the audience who had a very positive reaction to the first episode.
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Yeah. I think, you know, we, we had high hopes, but we were blown away. We genuinely were blown
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away. Um, viewership was good. Uh, obviously the feedback was incredible. Um, so we're, we're super
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grateful that this is able to work out. Um, and everyone at Timcast is super excited about it too.
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I mean, that's something that's like, I don't think it's discussed enough is like, look, you know,
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people that you work with, they love watching this kind of stuff too. And, um, so they're fired up.
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It's just been great. So I'm really appreciative to all you guys watching and supporting like
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genuinely. Um, it's, it's cool that we're able to get this idea out there. And then, yeah, as, as,
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as time moves on, you know, it's going to be more and more of a polished product. I don't know.
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Maybe you don't want the polished product. Maybe you like the rawness. Maybe you like that I'm in a
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crowd or, uh, what's a, what do they call it? Like, uh, I don't even know what you call this
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place. It's like where you can go and rent a room. Um, it's like a WeWork, but it's like not
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a WeWork. It's in a middle-aged woman's living room. Yeah. It looked like I'm in a therapist's
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office. Yeah. It's crazy. Um, but yeah, so I'm just, I'm in this like back room and a warehouse
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in West Palm beach right now. I was at Mar-a-Lago yesterday and I get to do this for like a living
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because people are watching this and it's great. But, um, yeah, next week I will be out of this
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weird, um, like dungeon. And, uh, if they let me out. Yeah, let me film in San Diego. We just got
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to guess where the location is each week you're from. I keep moving and I'll be in a, and I'll be
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in a studio next week. So then we'll get moving. It's going to be a really good stuff. So yeah,
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Connor, where can people find you? They can find me at con underscore Tomlinson on X. They can
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find me at Connor Tomlinson on sub stack and on YouTube. And I do most of my writing for
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courage media. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. You can follow me on X Instagram at real tape
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Brown. And, uh, yeah, we've got a whole slate of Tim cast content all week. You guys know where to
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find that, but, uh, we'll be back next weekend and we'll see you there. Thank you very much.