In this episode of Across the Pond, we travel across the Atlantic Ocean to chat with Australian journalist and political activist Ozpil about his recent ejection from a pro-Second Amendment rally in Australia, and why he was kicked out.
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00:00:50.300What is going on guys? Welcome back to this installation of Across the Pond here on the CultureWord channel.
00:00:55.580We have a great episode for you today. We've gotten, you know, across the pond, we're going across to England, coming back to America.
00:01:01.340We went across the bigger pond, that is the Pacific Ocean. We've got an Australian total chat, I would say.
00:01:07.740Ozpill, you know him, you love him. If you don't know him, you're going to love him.
00:01:11.080So we're going to get into today's episode. He's been under a lot of fire recently from some various angles.
00:01:16.860So we wanted to bring him on to chat. We're going to discuss the political situation in Australia.
00:01:20.660I've taken a look under the hood at our analytics. There is a good contingent of Australian patriots watching the show.
00:01:27.160So I know they're going to love it. And probably here stateside, we're not keeping as close of an eye on Australia as we should be.
00:01:33.460So Ozpill will bring us up to speed and it's going to be a great show.
00:01:38.160Yeah, good. Thank you. I first visited Australia a couple of months ago and I went to seat back, which is usually a bit tepid.
00:01:44.440And especially because Australia has only just reached the, isn't immigration bad for housing part of the discourse?
00:01:48.560And, you know, the supposed right-wing party at the last election was prostrating himself before Hindu temples.
00:01:53.900So I just decided to come along and say, you know, demographics is destiny.
00:01:57.040You don't get Australia out of China or India or Pakistan.
00:02:00.120And you should denaturalize and depose Fatima Payman, who's like an Afghan senator who may have lied about dual citizenship and also celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk.
00:02:09.120And got a massive applause and standing ovation, which, you know, was great for my fragile ego.
00:02:13.920But it means that the Australians are actually like hardcore patriots and nobody is representing that political opinion at the moment.
00:02:20.860And instead, if you do speak about that political opinion, apparently at Australia First rallies, you get kicked out.
00:02:26.400So Ozpill, care to fill us in on how you got booted out of that rally recently and why?
00:02:31.960Yeah, well, thanks. Thanks, first of all, for having me on.
00:02:35.680It's good to join you from across the very large pond.
00:02:38.440I made sure to have the Union Jack front and centre just for you.
00:02:43.100Yeah, so that Australia First rally and getting removed from it is certainly still making waves.
00:02:49.680No thanks to Avi Yemi himself, the man who actually did kick me out.
00:02:54.620He calls himself a journalist from Rebel News, though I liken him more to an activist because on the weekend he certainly was one.
00:03:02.860Yeah, so it was a political rally about, quote-unquote, putting Australia first.
00:03:09.520It had a list of demands, one of them being to supposedly end mass immigration.
00:03:14.640And speaking at that event was an Australian politician who is, you know, probably one of the most right-leaning ones we sort of have.
00:03:23.460And that's saying a lot because, you know, by American and even British standards now, she'd be basically a moderate or a centrist.
00:03:29.620So I went there to see her speak and was barely there for about ten minutes until this Avi Yemi man, with his whole entourage, including this Jewish activist group and his actual personal security,
00:03:44.420as well as this other activist group, all sort of swarmed me and were trying to kick me out on the charge that I was apparently a Nazi.
00:03:52.120And what really upset them was my jacket, which was from Heli Hansen.
00:03:56.600So the Heli Hansen jacket, the HH, I thought that was Hulk Hogan.
00:03:59.700That's the way Hulk Hogan signed off his tweets, like, what's going on here?
00:04:04.400I watched Avi's thing to get a fair shake of the other side, because otherwise if I just, you know, watched the footage that you played on stream,
00:04:13.520it just looks like he's kicking you out of the rally and accusing you of being a Nazi, which as far as I know, you're not.
00:04:20.320But you're just in keeping with the white Australia policy that pretty much all Australians throughout history have agreed with.
00:04:27.200But as far as the HH thing, let's clear that up off the bat.
00:04:31.000Is it just the case that the, what's the national socialist Australian thing?
00:04:37.160Is it just that those guys have co-opted it and you were just wearing the jacket?
00:04:40.840Or was it a sincere dog whistle of your love for Adolf Hitler?
00:04:44.160Well, it's like crazy because I remember I got interviewed immediately after the incident and someone was sort of, they were quizzing me on this and they said,
00:04:53.740oh, is that really a mistake, you wearing that?
00:04:56.260And last night I was going through some of my older videos.
00:05:02.900Videos on my older account used to have in 2023.
00:05:05.320And then of course you go way back when I was sailing, when I was younger, I would wear it.
00:05:10.320If anything, like now that there's this sudden pushback against wearing it and people are saying, oh, you can't because of the insinuation.
00:05:17.400I'm kind of tempted to wear it even more and maybe pop out with a full Heli Hansen outfit because they sell hats, shirts, jackets, shoes, pants, underwear.
00:05:27.500Where, you know, there's actually an option here.
00:06:15.560As Connor was saying at the top of the show, is how far behind the zeitgeist Australia is.
00:06:21.820Because I was like, in the States, we got rid of, we moved past the calling everyone Hitler stage like five to ten years ago.
00:06:28.340And seeing that like on full display, I'm like, is that really where the conservative movement in Australia is?
00:06:35.360Or is Arby just like totally a dinosaur in this situation?
00:06:40.040Yeah, I mean, I would say, I mean, it kind of struck me by surprise as well.
00:06:44.100Because I sort of thought the whole world had moved on from that.
00:06:47.160But yeah, Australia, they even hear the media would report that we're quote unquote bucking the trend of like, I guess, like Anglosphere politics and where things are generally moving.
00:06:58.220And I guess it may be in part due to people like Arby who have this sort of authority or have had authority over the movement, continuing to like uphold the old the old rules and like the old guard in Australia hasn't really been threatened.
00:07:14.220Like we've had this political upheaval in Australia.
00:07:16.500And all that's been is like a shifting around of the votes to the parties which have existed for decades.
00:07:21.640Like there's no real, I guess, yeah, change like we've seen across the world.
00:07:27.420I was going to raise as well that obviously the one of the grounds that he's going to accuse you of being a Nazi on is Jews and Israel.
00:07:35.940And I watched a clip from you where you had said on a stream that in the same way in the United States that there is an Israel lobby.
00:07:43.500And, you know, they have a lot of international and ethnocentric influence over both the Republicans and Democrats, the merits of which can be debated.
00:07:55.880Australia's version of Israel is basically India.
00:09:37.840Even those who should have just simply reaffirmed our relationship with India.
00:09:43.940And there's many more examples I can give.
00:09:46.360But basically, the image I'm trying to paint is that we've even had guys critique the Israel lobby in our government in the past, like Bob Carr.
00:09:55.080We've had, even in the public sphere, a wealth of criticism of them.
00:09:59.480But what has basically avoided all criticism to this point, I would say, has been the India lobby.
00:10:04.680Like, we have public institutions which criticize our, you know, even our relationship with Israel and all these sort of things.
00:10:13.740And it reminds me what it was like for America basically up until the 20s, 2020, where Israel had skirted all public criticism, even private criticism.
00:10:25.480And many people wouldn't touch it at all.
00:10:28.660So, I guess it's more in terms of, like, how pernicious their relationship is in the sense that no one feels comfortable critiquing it for some reason.
00:10:37.000And that's what I said on that same stream has been a large reason why I focused on Australia's relationship with India.
00:10:44.200Because, you know, sending spies here, influencing migration deals to have this huge influx, which we're having, which is, like, unprecedented.
00:10:52.640I mean, it really, it actually, they are now a bigger diaspora than the British are in Australia in terms of, you know, the recently arrived British.
00:11:03.680And so, that's where I draw that parallel from.
00:11:07.400And on, like, the Israel as, like, an ethnostate question, I remember I was saying on that same stream, I'm surprised that Avi would come after me so hard.
00:11:15.020Because I can't really think of if I'd really made anything to do with Israel or, like, Jews, for example, on any of my platforms.
00:11:25.220Simply as a point of, like, all my bandwidth was dedicated to, like, the Aboriginal question and India and some other topics.
00:11:31.000I didn't really have room and I felt, like, satisfied with just how it was going publicly that I personally didn't touch on it.
00:11:37.640So, I'm thinking to myself now, of all the political commentators in the world who have now turned to being skeptical of America or Australia's relationship with Israel,
00:11:47.380he really found the one guy who maybe had been holding off for, like, tactical reasons.
00:11:51.600And he's just, like, flipped that stone.
00:12:26.980Me and Connor have talked at length about, in the conservative movements really all across the Anglosphere, probably the West broadly,
00:12:33.520is there's this propensity for people that are older to assume that they're just, like, three years away from, like, a massive political victory
00:12:41.800and you just got to continue to let them reform the system, where young people are saying, no, the system is fundamentally broken.
00:12:49.000And that strikes a lot of fear into these people that have sort of built this apparatus of being sort of the opposition,
00:12:56.580like being the people that slow down the left, rather than young people who are saying, no, we want to provide a new vision.
00:13:01.880We want to now overhaul the system as it stands.
00:13:05.560Was that the sense you got from the rally?
00:13:08.200And then maybe if you have any thoughts on sort of young people's relationship with the right wing in Australia as a whole?
00:13:15.120Yeah, I mean, it's kind of hard to get into the rally stuff because there's so much, like, internal,
00:13:20.480like, domestic Australian politics to do with these rallies because there was, like, the March for Australia.
00:13:25.720This one was the Put Australia First rally.
00:13:27.680There's all these different various marches and rallies that have, like, different philosophies on what groups they're allowed to speak.
00:13:33.920And therefore, like, what demographics attend.
00:13:36.980Like, I would say the March for Australia, which had, like, an open philosophy of, oh, any group that wants an immediate end to mass immigration can speak.
00:13:44.680That then attracted, because it attracted, you know, very radical groups, a big contingent of the youth.
00:13:51.260Whereas this Put Australia First rally that I was ejected from, I think I was the youngest person there by, like, 20 years.
00:13:58.160Maybe apart from the daughter of, like, some political candidate.
00:14:03.720And so, that then would give me my answer to you is that the youth in Australia, especially men, similar to the global trends, are trending, yeah, to the rut.
00:14:16.600And are looking for options beyond just, you know, the milquetoast offerings we've had for 20, 30 years.
00:14:23.160And they're seeking something not only exciting, but actually promising, like, actual renewal and not just managing the decline as we've had.
00:14:31.900But it's interesting because in Australia, we don't have really a party like that at all.
00:14:35.260And so, a lot of the academics in Australia will poll based on, like, party preference.
00:14:42.080And they use that to then say, oh, look, young men are trending, you know, mildly conservative or mildly right-wing or sometimes even left-wing just because of party offerings.
00:14:51.140It's so bad that, you know, many might just vote on, like, economic question of, oh, this party's going to give me the most student debt discount or whatever it is.
00:14:59.280But then when you poll based on, like, values, that's when you see similar or in line with global trends, a rightward shift that's significant.
00:15:06.160Yeah, I was going to ask about the sort of lay of the political land in Australia because I got the sense when I went over there and spoke to the politicians that they don't have an appetite for revolutionary change.
00:15:17.500So, I spoke to, I recently did an interview with John Anderson, obviously your former deputy PM, and he's, he was actually pretty amenable to me explaining why young men are so disillusioned with the old sort of, like, civic nationalist, cultural values, assimilation settlement,
00:15:33.280why young men and women are being driven apart on the grounds of social progressivism.
00:15:38.100But when I spoke to other Australian politicians when I was at CPAC, they recoiled in fear from President Trump, not necessarily because of his policies,
00:15:46.960but mainly because they thought he was impolite or boorish or didn't show the procedure in institutions which have ruined America and parallels that have ruined our respective countries enough respect.
00:15:58.280And the only person that I'm seeing that has thrown a sort of rhetorical hand grenade at that in a sort of true Brogan fashion was, I assume, the woman that you're referencing at the rally was Pauline Hanson.
00:16:10.060She did this stunt in the last week showing up at the, was it the Australian Senate in a full niqab and got condemned for it.
00:16:17.840Other than, other than, other than Hanson and those sort of offensive theatrics, you know, we, we appreciate what she's, what she's done to shut the Overton window, of course.
00:16:25.260Is there anyone on the Australian right on the political scene that's a promising offering or are you just like bereft of champions right now?
00:16:33.160Yeah, there's certainly like, I guess, like some movement in the background.
00:16:37.080Like there are people trying to do a reform Australia type get up.
00:16:41.480I mean, there'll be more information incoming on that.
00:16:43.440It doesn't look super positive at the moment, like who's funding that and who's railing behind that.
00:16:49.480But at least that might enhance like the discussion.
00:16:52.240I think having two like parties which are trying to be dissenting to the system, like one nation, having a competitor like reform will only, will only be good for the discourse.
00:17:01.920I would say, but, and then you got, if you want to go even further than that, there's like the white Australia party, which will be a huge, cause a tremendous amount of chaos.
00:17:12.760I'm sure you'll, you'll both hear across the various ponds when that comes out.
00:17:18.120But yeah, at the very, this moment now, the offerings, I think one nation can be a lot of hot air.
00:17:28.880Like they've already dropped, one of their senators has dropped re-migration in a few of his speeches now.
00:17:35.860But at the same time, it's like, that's what the Department of State is posting on X.
00:17:39.840Like it's, it's kind of like, yeah, well, what's the next thing now?
00:17:43.580Like we've, that's, now we're barely catching up and you're meant to be the fringe of the discourse in Australia.
00:17:49.240And you're just a few years late to that party.
00:17:51.040But yeah, I think the appetite is there and with reform, with white Australia, with whatever else might form, just based on the winds changing, we could catalyze pretty quickly towards the UK or American.
00:18:07.360Like we could catch up pretty quickly.
00:18:08.880But at the very moment, yeah, you have all this, like, you know, putting their tie up, liberal party guys who think Trump is a bit rude.
00:18:19.480You know, he's sworn on truth social, that sort of old guard, very, very old guard, which is a stiff upper lip British type, which I mean, yeah, had its place in politics.
00:18:29.800But now, with the change that we need, the pace we need, you are going to need figures, the populism, right, like for us, Trump.
00:18:39.600And there does seem to be, unfortunately, where all the money lies in capital and strategy and interest in like the Liberal Party, Labour Party, the old institutions, a hostility towards that.
00:18:50.080And I guess, yeah, really, it's going to have to be from like the people.
00:18:52.240I mean, that's populism, right, from the people to enact that change.
00:18:55.380And that's sort of, you know, that's sort of up to people like me, I guess, is to be the commentarian in Australia and equip them and make them ready for that change.
00:19:04.720And the wind will change and the parliament will change and we might catch up.
00:19:08.520Who was the senator that got drops for immigration comments from One Nation?
00:19:11.480Because I know the Liberal Party kicked out Jacinta Price for observing that Indians vote 80% for Labour and that's why they want to import more Indians.
00:19:20.140Yeah, so she got dropped for saying that she didn't get fully removed from the party.
00:19:26.520She got taken to the backbench, which is still significant, of course.
00:19:34.640There was recently a Liberal Party guy, Andrew Hastie.
00:19:40.800He's positioning himself maybe as that populist figure.
00:19:44.140He, I'm trying to think, yeah, this is bad, he caught me off guard here.
00:19:51.400I want to talk it up to being too early, my mind's not fully fired up.
00:19:54.600But yeah, there's definitely been some politicians breaking rank.
00:19:58.380I think that Reform Australia Party, if it continues building, I think they want to have someone like Tony Abbott lead it.
00:20:07.120And Tony Abbott was a former PM of Australia.
00:20:08.900I don't think he gets on the full farad energy, but yeah, I don't know.
00:20:14.140I think that a lot of people adopting anti-immigration sentiments now in Australian Parliament are doing so just because the polling is so overwhelming.
00:20:21.560The polling has been obviously heavily against immigration since it began.
00:20:25.760But with the march for Australia, with like public demonstrations, I think it's made it a little bit more real and showed that like, okay, people, if they're going to go hit the streets over it, politicians are saying, oh, sweet, maybe they'll donate to me over it as well.
00:20:40.320So we're seeing the positions of some politicians change as a result of that.
00:20:45.620But again, their parties and their institutions are punishing them for it.
00:20:49.520And so a lot of them back down as well after the fact.
00:20:52.980So it's going to really take someone with some guts from, say, for example, the Liberal Party like Jacinta to go hard and be unafraid of like that internal cancellation.
00:21:04.040Yeah, I mean, because I was going to ask, what is sort of the understanding of the mass migration problem among the right in Australia?
00:21:10.880Because, I mean, stateside, we've seen some polling that indicates that a majority of Americans are in favor of Trump's ban of third world migration, which is like dramatic.
00:21:20.080I mean, we have net negative migration in the United States right now, which I make the point all the time, like five years ago, just suggesting that be the policy would get you tossed from a conservative panel.
00:21:29.660And now it is policy in the United States.
00:21:31.800But in Australia, what is the understanding among the right of immigration?
00:21:37.040Do they fully understand that, like, hey, the demographic makeup of the country is a valid concern to have?
00:21:42.880Or are they still kind of caught up on some of the older, you know, immigration talking points that have proliferated, that proliferated in the states like five, 10 years ago?
00:21:53.080As I said, like the polling for anti-immigration sentiments has shown the majority of the population wants like an immediate end and has wanted that for a long time.
00:22:01.920But I would say it was a fault of the political guard I was speaking of, like the Liberal Party and the old guard, you know, anti-radical, anti-populist, all these sets of people who then set the terms of debate only in economics.
00:22:18.000And that really stifles any energy or further appetite for change because what, you know, when someone walks out into the street and they're now suddenly a minority in their country in like just 10 years time, you know, the economic argument, that's not really what they're looking for.
00:22:38.340And so I think the biggest thing that happened in Australia recently that maybe has really brought a lot of politicians out of hiding in regards to the question has been the fact that, for example, the March for Australia not only had the economic argument against mass immigration, but for what really seemed like one of the first times in my recent memory of just a mass movement making the question of demographics.
00:23:03.600And that really supercharged it. And that's personally what I attribute it to because we could have had the protest the same size on, again, this wasn't the one I got kicked out of. This was months prior.
00:23:15.180Like we could have had a protest that size and spoken about economics. I don't think it would have had half the impact or half the cataclysmic effect that it had had we not have just spoken about demographics as openly as we did.
00:23:27.980And we didn't do that to the detriment of any argument. We just had such a range of speakers and messaging that would allow for, yeah, sure, the economic argument and like labor and housing, etc.
00:23:38.820But also, hey, there's an actual demographic question, because, you know, similar to America, it's only a few short decades until the people who build this country become a minority.
00:23:48.640And for most people, that actually is a concern. And it's a concern that's going to vitalize them a lot more than the economic question.
00:23:56.360And it worked because, again, you had politicians who were coming from parties ruled by that old guard who then felt empowered because of how many people went to the street over the demographic question to themselves sort of acknowledge it or themselves become further emboldened on even, I guess, unfortunately, the economic question.
00:24:15.500But that's only because now the economic question or criticism of immigration pales in comparison to the demographic. And so many feel now comfortable making it.
00:24:23.940But that's the thing. I mean, that's the framing that needs to be controlled, because the thing was in the United States and Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand, the economy was firing on all cylinders for a while, while the mass migration was sort of coming in and it was beginning to undercut.
00:24:41.100But people, they're going to attribute economic downturns to a whole variety of factors.
00:24:46.520That's why the framing is so important for white people that are on the right and just across the political spectrum to feel like, hey, the cultural composition of my country, the demographic composition of my country is valid.
00:24:58.800I'm allowed to advocate for the people that ultimately make up the core of the country, that built the country.
00:25:04.740And that framing is so important. So it's like, I totally see what you're saying is like, I mean, yeah, you can use economic arguments and whatever, but it can't be lost upon because you're not going to make any real progress towards an overhaul of the system unless you prioritize Australians, unless you prioritize Americans, unless you prioritize the British.
00:25:23.220I mean, Connor, you've probably seen the same thing, Connor, it seems like the conversation in the UK around immigrations is also starting to change now where people are abandoning, maybe not abandoning, but they're saying, yes, there is economic implications, there's a supply issue.
00:25:35.740But England remaining English is also like, probably the most important aspect that immigration is sort of undercutting.
00:25:43.700Yeah, Piers Morgan hasn't updated his software on that yet. He's still saying that it matters more to him that he can get a curry than protect children from rape by Pakistanis.
00:25:51.940But the rest of us have eyes and can see. And the most interesting development in the last week or so, and I'm going to be streaming about this on my channel in the next week, is the question of representation, because we have 35 MPs who I think were born overseas in the UK, and then that doesn't even break down from demographics.
00:26:11.540We've got loads of Pakistani MPs, Indians, Bangladeshis. There was a scene the other day where the Pakistani Muslim Home Secretary was arguing with a Bangladeshi Muslim MP from her party and an independent Indian Muslim MP over whether or not it was racist that she was trying to stop illegal migration and return people to their countries of origin.
00:26:31.240Basically bickering from the sons and daughters of the subcontinent about how they can import more of their co-ethnics. And at no point was the British public present.
00:26:39.420So there's been tweets by Lucy White, who's a friend of mine and now me, that have caused a national scandal with MPs weighing in and condemning the both of us, where we said there shouldn't actually be not just a single MP who was born outside of Britain in Parliament, but not a single MP who has no native British ancestry whatsoever.
00:27:00.840Like, at least having one parent who is native to the British Isles is a prerequisite for serving the people, and that safeguards against you having ethnic interests and foreign loyalties that lie elsewhere that can then shape immigration policy or foreign policy.
00:27:16.220I mean, the worst example of this, Home Secretary Priti Patel, who oversaw the Boris wave, was describing her fellow Indians in Britain as living bridges.
00:27:23.540That's Modi's term for how Indian diasporas can use their demographics as a democratic advantage to then pressure the governments to make more favourable economic, international trade and immigration policies for India.
00:27:37.580I can see Ospil nodding his head. We're suffering from the same problem here, buddy.
00:27:40.880So, I have been condemned by a sitting MP. They now launched a regulatory media broadcast regulator investigation into GB News for hosting me when I said that.
00:27:52.900And then, Lucy's been banned from all those outlets. But nobody, at any point in this, has made the affirmative case for why Britain should be ruled by foreigners.
00:28:02.060Why should I have Pakistanis in my parliament? Give me the positive reason for that, because they're only being elected by other Pakistanis, or they're being installed in safe constituencies, like Rishi Sunak was, in like a 99% white British constituency, by the party who have DEI shortlisted them.
00:28:18.660And that happened on the Conservatives, by the way. So, we are actually moving the ball down the field on this argument, because the general public, who doesn't care about being called racist by the BBC,
00:28:28.580and just cares more about the demographic and cultural and economic disfigurement of their country, go,
00:28:33.080Yeah, I shouldn't actually be ruled by foreigners. That's a perfectly reasonable demand.
00:28:36.300And if you're going to call that racist, then what other all sorts of absurd things are you going to say beyond the pale as well?
00:28:41.680So, them overextending, and, like, worth playing their hand, and trying to render reasonable arguments beyond the pale, is repudiating them in real time.
00:28:50.300And I think the same thing is going to happen, not just in the States, with this overreaction to Trump talking about Somalians, like the least desirable immigrant group imaginable.
00:28:57.800Like, 99% of Somalians in Britain are either in social housing or in prison. We're paying to battery farm Somalians.
00:29:02.620Please give me the affirmative case why. But also, I think it's going to catch up to Australia, too.
00:29:06.040No, I, um, it was so interesting what you were saying about that, uh, the Home Secretary, I believe, like, referring to Indians as, like, the living bridges,
00:29:13.300because in Australia, we had a guy who was the head of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade make a report,
00:29:20.700basically, through the Department of Foreign Affairs to the government in regards to, like, how to best, like, how to get the most out of our relationship with India.
00:29:28.200And in that report, Varghese, uh, said, effectively, the only way to increase bilateral relations with India
00:29:36.020is to not only increase the size of their diaspora, but also, like, the prestige of them.
00:29:41.260Like, they have to be in peak industry bodies, they have to get into the government, uh, they have to...
00:29:47.020Just basically, everywhere there is a corridor of power, he was saying, look, if you want a better relationship with India,
00:30:41.240And they're saying it openly, and I think they're doing it openly.
00:30:43.460So, back to that DFAT report, yeah, it was saying we have to increase the size of this diaspora, the prestige of them.
00:30:49.600Anyways, uh, Varghese finishes his position at DFAT, and he transitions into the, being a Chancellor, I believe, of the University of Queensland.
00:30:58.320And, like, in one of his speeches there, he says, you know, I was, I was born in, uh, I believe he was born in Kenya,
00:31:05.680and he's like, I was born in Kenya, blah, blah, blah, but India's the birthplace of my parents.
00:31:10.160And so, it's sat there, blurred in my upbringing, and I have this, like, love for India.
00:31:14.940And I remember reading that, because it's not really, really prominently advertised at ease of, like, Indian heritage,
00:31:21.900because I think the Kenya is really emphasised.
00:31:23.680But it's, like, kind of wild that this guy was born in Kenya, then grew up in Australia,
00:31:27.500and then he's talking about India and his speeches at his, at his non-government role.
00:31:32.100Um, it's, it's pretty wild to me, and I have alluded to in the past, I'm like, well, I feel like, you know,
00:31:39.120if it was maybe, like, uh, Anglo-descended Australian, would they have really made the same suggestions
00:31:43.380to the Australian government, saying, we have to bring in more Indians and put them into our government?
00:31:48.560Basically, we have to become India to have a better relationship with India.
00:31:51.280I think most, like, Aussies would be, like, that's, you know, too parasitical of a relationship.