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00:00:50.300 What is going on guys? Welcome back to this installation of Across the Pond here on the CultureWord channel.

00:00:55.580 We have a great episode for you today. We've gotten, you know, across the pond, we're going across to England, coming back to America.

00:01:01.340 We went across the bigger pond, that is the Pacific Ocean. We've got an Australian total chat, I would say.

00:01:07.740 Ozpill, you know him, you love him. If you don't know him, you're going to love him.

00:01:11.080 So we're going to get into today's episode. He's been under a lot of fire recently from some various angles.

00:01:16.860 So we wanted to bring him on to chat. We're going to discuss the political situation in Australia.

00:01:20.660 I've taken a look under the hood at our analytics. There is a good contingent of Australian patriots watching the show.

00:01:27.160 So I know they're going to love it. And probably here stateside, we're not keeping as close of an eye on Australia as we should be.

00:01:33.460 So Ozpill will bring us up to speed and it's going to be a great show.

00:01:36.800 Connor, how are you doing, man?

00:01:38.160 Yeah, good. Thank you. I first visited Australia a couple of months ago and I went to seat back, which is usually a bit tepid.

00:01:44.440 And especially because Australia has only just reached the, isn't immigration bad for housing part of the discourse?

00:01:48.560 And, you know, the supposed right-wing party at the last election was prostrating himself before Hindu temples.

00:01:53.900 So I just decided to come along and say, you know, demographics is destiny.

00:01:57.040 You don't get Australia out of China or India or Pakistan. 0.77

00:02:00.120 And you should denaturalize and depose Fatima Payman, who's like an Afghan senator who may have lied about dual citizenship and also celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. 0.99

00:02:09.120 And got a massive applause and standing ovation, which, you know, was great for my fragile ego.

00:02:13.920 But it means that the Australians are actually like hardcore patriots and nobody is representing that political opinion at the moment.

00:02:20.860 And instead, if you do speak about that political opinion, apparently at Australia First rallies, you get kicked out.

00:02:26.400 So Ozpill, care to fill us in on how you got booted out of that rally recently and why?

00:02:31.960 Yeah, well, thanks. Thanks, first of all, for having me on.

00:02:35.680 It's good to join you from across the very large pond.

00:02:38.440 I made sure to have the Union Jack front and centre just for you.

00:02:43.100 Yeah, so that Australia First rally and getting removed from it is certainly still making waves.

00:02:49.680 No thanks to Avi Yemi himself, the man who actually did kick me out.

00:02:54.620 He calls himself a journalist from Rebel News, though I liken him more to an activist because on the weekend he certainly was one.

00:03:02.860 Yeah, so it was a political rally about, quote-unquote, putting Australia first.

00:03:09.520 It had a list of demands, one of them being to supposedly end mass immigration.

00:03:14.640 And speaking at that event was an Australian politician who is, you know, probably one of the most right-leaning ones we sort of have.

00:03:23.460 And that's saying a lot because, you know, by American and even British standards now, she'd be basically a moderate or a centrist.

00:03:29.620 So I went there to see her speak and was barely there for about ten minutes until this Avi Yemi man, with his whole entourage, including this Jewish activist group and his actual personal security, 0.73

00:03:44.420 as well as this other activist group, all sort of swarmed me and were trying to kick me out on the charge that I was apparently a Nazi.

00:03:52.120 And what really upset them was my jacket, which was from Heli Hansen.

00:03:56.600 So the Heli Hansen jacket, the HH, I thought that was Hulk Hogan.

00:03:59.700 That's the way Hulk Hogan signed off his tweets, like, what's going on here?

00:04:02.680 Yeah, happy holidays.

00:04:04.400 I watched Avi's thing to get a fair shake of the other side, because otherwise if I just, you know, watched the footage that you played on stream,

00:04:13.520 it just looks like he's kicking you out of the rally and accusing you of being a Nazi, which as far as I know, you're not.

00:04:20.320 But you're just in keeping with the white Australia policy that pretty much all Australians throughout history have agreed with.

00:04:27.200 But as far as the HH thing, let's clear that up off the bat.

00:04:31.000 Is it just the case that the, what's the national socialist Australian thing?

00:04:37.160 Is it just that those guys have co-opted it and you were just wearing the jacket?

00:04:40.840 Or was it a sincere dog whistle of your love for Adolf Hitler?

00:04:44.160 Well, it's like crazy because I remember I got interviewed immediately after the incident and someone was sort of, they were quizzing me on this and they said,

00:04:53.740 oh, is that really a mistake, you wearing that?

00:04:56.260 And last night I was going through some of my older videos.

00:04:59.880 I'm wearing it in like 2024.

00:05:02.900 Videos on my older account used to have in 2023.

00:05:05.320 And then of course you go way back when I was sailing, when I was younger, I would wear it.

00:05:10.320 If anything, like now that there's this sudden pushback against wearing it and people are saying, oh, you can't because of the insinuation.

00:05:17.400 I'm kind of tempted to wear it even more and maybe pop out with a full Heli Hansen outfit because they sell hats, shirts, jackets, shoes, pants, underwear.

00:05:27.500 Where, you know, there's actually an option here.

00:05:29.760 I could go the full Heli Hansen.

00:05:32.400 But yeah, it's really hysterical.

00:05:35.260 And even if you could argue there's like this pattern that exists and it is like some sort of dog whistle.

00:05:43.440 Norweez, for example, which Arby's audience seems to be mostly met up of, they're really biting it.

00:05:49.880 And even those who can sort of agree with it, they're just saying it's just so tortured of an argument to make.

00:05:56.080 Like to call someone a Nazi and then your only receipt being the jacket I'm wearing.

00:06:02.100 It just, it looks really insincere.

00:06:04.620 Yeah, well, I mean, I was looking at the article that Arby published, it was yesterday.

00:06:08.940 And the headline was noticing the noticers exposing the Hitler lovers in disguise. 0.65

00:06:14.620 And I'm sitting here reading this.

00:06:15.560 As Connor was saying at the top of the show, is how far behind the zeitgeist Australia is.

00:06:21.820 Because I was like, in the States, we got rid of, we moved past the calling everyone Hitler stage like five to ten years ago.

00:06:28.340 And seeing that like on full display, I'm like, is that really where the conservative movement in Australia is?

00:06:35.360 Or is Arby just like totally a dinosaur in this situation?

00:06:40.040 Yeah, I mean, I would say, I mean, it kind of struck me by surprise as well.

00:06:44.100 Because I sort of thought the whole world had moved on from that.

00:06:47.160 But yeah, Australia, they even hear the media would report that we're quote unquote bucking the trend of like, I guess, like Anglosphere politics and where things are generally moving.

00:06:58.220 And I guess it may be in part due to people like Arby who have this sort of authority or have had authority over the movement, continuing to like uphold the old the old rules and like the old guard in Australia hasn't really been threatened.

00:07:14.220 Like we've had this political upheaval in Australia.

00:07:16.500 And all that's been is like a shifting around of the votes to the parties which have existed for decades.

00:07:21.640 Like there's no real, I guess, yeah, change like we've seen across the world.

00:07:27.420 I was going to raise as well that obviously the one of the grounds that he's going to accuse you of being a Nazi on is Jews and Israel.

00:07:35.940 And I watched a clip from you where you had said on a stream that in the same way in the United States that there is an Israel lobby.

00:07:43.500 And, you know, they have a lot of international and ethnocentric influence over both the Republicans and Democrats, the merits of which can be debated.

00:07:55.880 Australia's version of Israel is basically India. 0.53

00:07:57.820 It's very similar to in Britain.

00:07:59.080 Like there is an Israel lobby in Britain.

00:08:00.340 There's also a very strong Indian lobby as well.

00:08:02.660 And they're both as nefarious.

00:08:04.380 I understand that Australians taken in like 250,000 Indians in the last few years in a population of something like 30 million people.

00:08:12.400 Also, that's a massive population increase from one area of the world.

00:08:17.680 So two questions on that.

00:08:20.340 Is India basically the Israel lobby for Australia?

00:08:24.820 And on the back of that, why is it that, you know, Avi, I believe he served in the IDF, right?

00:08:31.340 Why is it that Israel basically gets to enjoy to be an ethnostate for the Jewish people and they defend those interests? 0.92

00:08:38.100 Hey, you know, in the abstract, I'm fine with that, just like I am for the Japanese.

00:08:42.280 And I would like that standard too.

00:08:43.740 But why doesn't Australia also get that standard and the people that are pushing for that standard get called Nazis?

00:08:49.260 Yeah.

00:08:49.920 I mean, on the question of the Indian population in Australia, it's recently ticked over about a million.

00:08:55.900 And 97% of them, according to the census, were born in India.

00:09:01.260 And in the last 10 years, their population has more than doubled.

00:09:05.200 So it's like very, very rapidly increasing.

00:09:08.300 And part of the reason I say India is our Israel is because in terms of, like, coercion and control, India is right up there. 0.99

00:09:18.580 For example, in just the last few years, they had spies get deported from Australia.

00:09:23.980 They were found by our intelligence service and then they were removed.

00:09:27.000 And it was publicly announced, which is unusual for our intelligence service to do.

00:09:31.980 But then there was no condemnation from any sitting member of our parliament.

00:09:36.700 Like, no one wanted to touch it.

00:09:37.840 Even those who should have just simply reaffirmed our relationship with India.

00:09:43.940 And there's many more examples I can give.

00:09:46.360 But basically, the image I'm trying to paint is that we've even had guys critique the Israel lobby in our government in the past, like Bob Carr.

00:09:55.080 We've had, even in the public sphere, a wealth of criticism of them.

00:09:59.480 But what has basically avoided all criticism to this point, I would say, has been the India lobby.

00:10:04.680 Like, we have public institutions which criticize our, you know, even our relationship with Israel and all these sort of things.

00:10:10.520 And the public discourse is there.

00:10:12.260 But it isn't for India. 0.97

00:10:13.740 And it reminds me what it was like for America basically up until the 20s, 2020, where Israel had skirted all public criticism, even private criticism.

00:10:25.480 And many people wouldn't touch it at all.

00:10:27.480 And that's how it feels right now.

00:10:28.660 So, I guess it's more in terms of, like, how pernicious their relationship is in the sense that no one feels comfortable critiquing it for some reason.

00:10:37.000 And that's what I said on that same stream has been a large reason why I focused on Australia's relationship with India.

00:10:44.200 Because, you know, sending spies here, influencing migration deals to have this huge influx, which we're having, which is, like, unprecedented.

00:10:52.640 I mean, it really, it actually, they are now a bigger diaspora than the British are in Australia in terms of, you know, the recently arrived British.

00:10:59.580 Yeah, over a million.

00:11:02.580 Huge, huge problem.

00:11:03.680 And so, that's where I draw that parallel from.

00:11:07.400 And on, like, the Israel as, like, an ethnostate question, I remember I was saying on that same stream, I'm surprised that Avi would come after me so hard.

00:11:15.020 Because I can't really think of if I'd really made anything to do with Israel or, like, Jews, for example, on any of my platforms.

00:11:25.220 Simply as a point of, like, all my bandwidth was dedicated to, like, the Aboriginal question and India and some other topics.

00:11:31.000 I didn't really have room and I felt, like, satisfied with just how it was going publicly that I personally didn't touch on it.

00:11:37.640 So, I'm thinking to myself now, of all the political commentators in the world who have now turned to being skeptical of America or Australia's relationship with Israel,

00:11:47.380 he really found the one guy who maybe had been holding off for, like, tactical reasons.

00:11:51.600 And he's just, like, flipped that stone.

00:11:53.080 I mean, it was just hysterical.

00:11:55.260 Yeah, well, I mean, I noticed in the video where you're being ejected from the rally, the guy that was confronting you, he said, quote,

00:12:02.940 we don't want Australian nationalists here.

00:12:05.560 And that seemed to be, like, a kind of mask-off moment where they actually probably didn't even think that you were a Nazi,

00:12:13.560 but they were just looking for a pretense to get anybody that would actually challenge the notion that was widely accepted at that rally.

00:12:20.840 And, yeah, again, like I said, they're fishing for a reason to eject you.

00:12:25.820 And that's kind of the same thing.

00:12:26.980 Me and Connor have talked at length about, in the conservative movements really all across the Anglosphere, probably the West broadly,

00:12:33.520 is there's this propensity for people that are older to assume that they're just, like, three years away from, like, a massive political victory

00:12:41.800 and you just got to continue to let them reform the system, where young people are saying, no, the system is fundamentally broken.

00:12:47.460 We need to overhaul it.

00:12:49.000 And that strikes a lot of fear into these people that have sort of built this apparatus of being sort of the opposition,

00:12:56.580 like being the people that slow down the left, rather than young people who are saying, no, we want to provide a new vision.

00:13:01.880 We want to now overhaul the system as it stands.

00:13:05.560 Was that the sense you got from the rally?

00:13:08.200 And then maybe if you have any thoughts on sort of young people's relationship with the right wing in Australia as a whole?

00:13:15.120 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of hard to get into the rally stuff because there's so much, like, internal,

00:13:20.480 like, domestic Australian politics to do with these rallies because there was, like, the March for Australia.

00:13:25.720 This one was the Put Australia First rally.

00:13:27.680 There's all these different various marches and rallies that have, like, different philosophies on what groups they're allowed to speak.

00:13:33.920 And therefore, like, what demographics attend.

00:13:36.980 Like, I would say the March for Australia, which had, like, an open philosophy of, oh, any group that wants an immediate end to mass immigration can speak.

00:13:44.680 That then attracted, because it attracted, you know, very radical groups, a big contingent of the youth.

00:13:51.260 Whereas this Put Australia First rally that I was ejected from, I think I was the youngest person there by, like, 20 years.

00:13:58.160 Maybe apart from the daughter of, like, some political candidate.

00:14:00.800 Like, that was how it was going.

00:14:02.880 How it was going.

00:14:03.720 And so, that then would give me my answer to you is that the youth in Australia, especially men, similar to the global trends, are trending, yeah, to the rut.

00:14:16.600 And are looking for options beyond just, you know, the milquetoast offerings we've had for 20, 30 years.

00:14:23.160 And they're seeking something not only exciting, but actually promising, like, actual renewal and not just managing the decline as we've had.

00:14:31.900 But it's interesting because in Australia, we don't have really a party like that at all.

00:14:35.260 And so, a lot of the academics in Australia will poll based on, like, party preference.

00:14:42.080 And they use that to then say, oh, look, young men are trending, you know, mildly conservative or mildly right-wing or sometimes even left-wing just because of party offerings.

00:14:51.140 It's so bad that, you know, many might just vote on, like, economic question of, oh, this party's going to give me the most student debt discount or whatever it is.

00:14:59.280 But then when you poll based on, like, values, that's when you see similar or in line with global trends, a rightward shift that's significant.

00:15:06.160 Yeah, I was going to ask about the sort of lay of the political land in Australia because I got the sense when I went over there and spoke to the politicians that they don't have an appetite for revolutionary change.

00:15:17.500 So, I spoke to, I recently did an interview with John Anderson, obviously your former deputy PM, and he's, he was actually pretty amenable to me explaining why young men are so disillusioned with the old sort of, like, civic nationalist, cultural values, assimilation settlement,

00:15:33.280 why young men and women are being driven apart on the grounds of social progressivism.

00:15:38.100 But when I spoke to other Australian politicians when I was at CPAC, they recoiled in fear from President Trump, not necessarily because of his policies,

00:15:46.960 but mainly because they thought he was impolite or boorish or didn't show the procedure in institutions which have ruined America and parallels that have ruined our respective countries enough respect.

00:15:58.280 And the only person that I'm seeing that has thrown a sort of rhetorical hand grenade at that in a sort of true Brogan fashion was, I assume, the woman that you're referencing at the rally was Pauline Hanson.

00:16:10.060 She did this stunt in the last week showing up at the, was it the Australian Senate in a full niqab and got condemned for it. 1.00

00:16:17.840 Other than, other than, other than Hanson and those sort of offensive theatrics, you know, we, we appreciate what she's, what she's done to shut the Overton window, of course.

00:16:25.260 Is there anyone on the Australian right on the political scene that's a promising offering or are you just like bereft of champions right now?

00:16:33.160 Yeah, there's certainly like, I guess, like some movement in the background.

00:16:37.080 Like there are people trying to do a reform Australia type get up.

00:16:41.480 I mean, there'll be more information incoming on that.

00:16:43.440 It doesn't look super positive at the moment, like who's funding that and who's railing behind that.

00:16:49.480 But at least that might enhance like the discussion.

00:16:52.240 I think having two like parties which are trying to be dissenting to the system, like one nation, having a competitor like reform will only, will only be good for the discourse.

00:17:01.920 I would say, but, and then you got, if you want to go even further than that, there's like the white Australia party, which will be a huge, cause a tremendous amount of chaos.

00:17:12.760 I'm sure you'll, you'll both hear across the various ponds when that comes out.

00:17:18.120 But yeah, at the very, this moment now, the offerings, I think one nation can be a lot of hot air.

00:17:28.880 Like they've already dropped, one of their senators has dropped re-migration in a few of his speeches now.

00:17:33.880 So that's, that's interesting.

00:17:35.240 That's new.

00:17:35.860 But at the same time, it's like, that's what the Department of State is posting on X.

00:17:39.840 Like it's, it's kind of like, yeah, well, what's the next thing now?

00:17:43.580 Like we've, that's, now we're barely catching up and you're meant to be the fringe of the discourse in Australia.

00:17:49.240 And you're just a few years late to that party.

00:17:51.040 But yeah, I think the appetite is there and with reform, with white Australia, with whatever else might form, just based on the winds changing, we could catalyze pretty quickly towards the UK or American. 0.71

00:18:07.360 Like we could catch up pretty quickly.

00:18:08.880 But at the very moment, yeah, you have all this, like, you know, putting their tie up, liberal party guys who think Trump is a bit rude.

00:18:19.480 You know, he's sworn on truth social, that sort of old guard, very, very old guard, which is a stiff upper lip British type, which I mean, yeah, had its place in politics.

00:18:29.800 But now, with the change that we need, the pace we need, you are going to need figures, the populism, right, like for us, Trump.

00:18:39.600 And there does seem to be, unfortunately, where all the money lies in capital and strategy and interest in like the Liberal Party, Labour Party, the old institutions, a hostility towards that.

00:18:50.080 And I guess, yeah, really, it's going to have to be from like the people.

00:18:52.240 I mean, that's populism, right, from the people to enact that change.

00:18:55.380 And that's sort of, you know, that's sort of up to people like me, I guess, is to be the commentarian in Australia and equip them and make them ready for that change.

00:19:04.720 And the wind will change and the parliament will change and we might catch up.

00:19:08.520 Who was the senator that got drops for immigration comments from One Nation?

00:19:11.480 Because I know the Liberal Party kicked out Jacinta Price for observing that Indians vote 80% for Labour and that's why they want to import more Indians. 1.00

00:19:19.020 Who else got persecuted?

00:19:20.140 Yeah, so she got dropped for saying that she didn't get fully removed from the party. 1.00

00:19:26.520 She got taken to the backbench, which is still significant, of course.

00:19:34.640 There was recently a Liberal Party guy, Andrew Hastie.

00:19:40.800 He's positioning himself maybe as that populist figure.

00:19:44.140 He, I'm trying to think, yeah, this is bad, he caught me off guard here.

00:19:51.400 I want to talk it up to being too early, my mind's not fully fired up.

00:19:54.600 But yeah, there's definitely been some politicians breaking rank.

00:19:58.380 I think that Reform Australia Party, if it continues building, I think they want to have someone like Tony Abbott lead it.

00:20:07.120 And Tony Abbott was a former PM of Australia.

00:20:08.900 I don't think he gets on the full farad energy, but yeah, I don't know.

00:20:14.140 I think that a lot of people adopting anti-immigration sentiments now in Australian Parliament are doing so just because the polling is so overwhelming.

00:20:21.560 The polling has been obviously heavily against immigration since it began.

00:20:25.760 But with the march for Australia, with like public demonstrations, I think it's made it a little bit more real and showed that like, okay, people, if they're going to go hit the streets over it, politicians are saying, oh, sweet, maybe they'll donate to me over it as well.

00:20:40.320 So we're seeing the positions of some politicians change as a result of that.

00:20:45.620 But again, their parties and their institutions are punishing them for it.

00:20:49.520 And so a lot of them back down as well after the fact.

00:20:52.980 So it's going to really take someone with some guts from, say, for example, the Liberal Party like Jacinta to go hard and be unafraid of like that internal cancellation.

00:21:04.040 Yeah, I mean, because I was going to ask, what is sort of the understanding of the mass migration problem among the right in Australia?

00:21:10.880 Because, I mean, stateside, we've seen some polling that indicates that a majority of Americans are in favor of Trump's ban of third world migration, which is like dramatic.

00:21:20.080 I mean, we have net negative migration in the United States right now, which I make the point all the time, like five years ago, just suggesting that be the policy would get you tossed from a conservative panel.

00:21:29.660 And now it is policy in the United States.

00:21:31.800 But in Australia, what is the understanding among the right of immigration?

00:21:35.720 Are they fully there yet?

00:21:37.040 Do they fully understand that, like, hey, the demographic makeup of the country is a valid concern to have?

00:21:42.880 Or are they still kind of caught up on some of the older, you know, immigration talking points that have proliferated, that proliferated in the states like five, 10 years ago?

00:21:52.800 Yeah.

00:21:53.080 As I said, like the polling for anti-immigration sentiments has shown the majority of the population wants like an immediate end and has wanted that for a long time.

00:22:01.920 But I would say it was a fault of the political guard I was speaking of, like the Liberal Party and the old guard, you know, anti-radical, anti-populist, all these sets of people who then set the terms of debate only in economics.

00:22:18.000 And that really stifles any energy or further appetite for change because what, you know, when someone walks out into the street and they're now suddenly a minority in their country in like just 10 years time, you know, the economic argument, that's not really what they're looking for.

00:22:38.340 And so I think the biggest thing that happened in Australia recently that maybe has really brought a lot of politicians out of hiding in regards to the question has been the fact that, for example, the March for Australia not only had the economic argument against mass immigration, but for what really seemed like one of the first times in my recent memory of just a mass movement making the question of demographics.

00:23:03.600 And that really supercharged it. And that's personally what I attribute it to because we could have had the protest the same size on, again, this wasn't the one I got kicked out of. This was months prior.

00:23:15.180 Like we could have had a protest that size and spoken about economics. I don't think it would have had half the impact or half the cataclysmic effect that it had had we not have just spoken about demographics as openly as we did.

00:23:27.980 And we didn't do that to the detriment of any argument. We just had such a range of speakers and messaging that would allow for, yeah, sure, the economic argument and like labor and housing, etc.

00:23:38.820 But also, hey, there's an actual demographic question, because, you know, similar to America, it's only a few short decades until the people who build this country become a minority.

00:23:48.640 And for most people, that actually is a concern. And it's a concern that's going to vitalize them a lot more than the economic question.

00:23:56.360 And it worked because, again, you had politicians who were coming from parties ruled by that old guard who then felt empowered because of how many people went to the street over the demographic question to themselves sort of acknowledge it or themselves become further emboldened on even, I guess, unfortunately, the economic question.

00:24:15.500 But that's only because now the economic question or criticism of immigration pales in comparison to the demographic. And so many feel now comfortable making it.

00:24:23.940 But that's the thing. I mean, that's the framing that needs to be controlled, because the thing was in the United States and Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand, the economy was firing on all cylinders for a while, while the mass migration was sort of coming in and it was beginning to undercut.

00:24:41.100 But people, they're going to attribute economic downturns to a whole variety of factors.

00:24:46.520 That's why the framing is so important for white people that are on the right and just across the political spectrum to feel like, hey, the cultural composition of my country, the demographic composition of my country is valid.

00:24:58.800 I'm allowed to advocate for the people that ultimately make up the core of the country, that built the country.

00:25:04.740 And that framing is so important. So it's like, I totally see what you're saying is like, I mean, yeah, you can use economic arguments and whatever, but it can't be lost upon because you're not going to make any real progress towards an overhaul of the system unless you prioritize Australians, unless you prioritize Americans, unless you prioritize the British.

00:25:23.220 I mean, Connor, you've probably seen the same thing, Connor, it seems like the conversation in the UK around immigrations is also starting to change now where people are abandoning, maybe not abandoning, but they're saying, yes, there is economic implications, there's a supply issue.

00:25:35.740 But England remaining English is also like, probably the most important aspect that immigration is sort of undercutting.

00:25:43.700 Yeah, Piers Morgan hasn't updated his software on that yet. He's still saying that it matters more to him that he can get a curry than protect children from rape by Pakistanis. 1.00

00:25:51.940 But the rest of us have eyes and can see. And the most interesting development in the last week or so, and I'm going to be streaming about this on my channel in the next week, is the question of representation, because we have 35 MPs who I think were born overseas in the UK, and then that doesn't even break down from demographics.

00:26:11.540 We've got loads of Pakistani MPs, Indians, Bangladeshis. There was a scene the other day where the Pakistani Muslim Home Secretary was arguing with a Bangladeshi Muslim MP from her party and an independent Indian Muslim MP over whether or not it was racist that she was trying to stop illegal migration and return people to their countries of origin.

00:26:31.240 Basically bickering from the sons and daughters of the subcontinent about how they can import more of their co-ethnics. And at no point was the British public present. 0.80

00:26:39.420 So there's been tweets by Lucy White, who's a friend of mine and now me, that have caused a national scandal with MPs weighing in and condemning the both of us, where we said there shouldn't actually be not just a single MP who was born outside of Britain in Parliament, but not a single MP who has no native British ancestry whatsoever.

00:27:00.840 Like, at least having one parent who is native to the British Isles is a prerequisite for serving the people, and that safeguards against you having ethnic interests and foreign loyalties that lie elsewhere that can then shape immigration policy or foreign policy.

00:27:16.220 I mean, the worst example of this, Home Secretary Priti Patel, who oversaw the Boris wave, was describing her fellow Indians in Britain as living bridges.

00:27:23.540 That's Modi's term for how Indian diasporas can use their demographics as a democratic advantage to then pressure the governments to make more favourable economic, international trade and immigration policies for India.

00:27:37.580 I can see Ospil nodding his head. We're suffering from the same problem here, buddy.

00:27:40.880 So, I have been condemned by a sitting MP. They now launched a regulatory media broadcast regulator investigation into GB News for hosting me when I said that.

00:27:52.900 And then, Lucy's been banned from all those outlets. But nobody, at any point in this, has made the affirmative case for why Britain should be ruled by foreigners. 1.00

00:28:02.060 Why should I have Pakistanis in my parliament? Give me the positive reason for that, because they're only being elected by other Pakistanis, or they're being installed in safe constituencies, like Rishi Sunak was, in like a 99% white British constituency, by the party who have DEI shortlisted them. 1.00

00:28:18.660 And that happened on the Conservatives, by the way. So, we are actually moving the ball down the field on this argument, because the general public, who doesn't care about being called racist by the BBC,

00:28:28.580 and just cares more about the demographic and cultural and economic disfigurement of their country, go,

00:28:33.080 Yeah, I shouldn't actually be ruled by foreigners. That's a perfectly reasonable demand. 1.00

00:28:36.300 And if you're going to call that racist, then what other all sorts of absurd things are you going to say beyond the pale as well?

00:28:41.680 So, them overextending, and, like, worth playing their hand, and trying to render reasonable arguments beyond the pale, is repudiating them in real time.

00:28:50.300 And I think the same thing is going to happen, not just in the States, with this overreaction to Trump talking about Somalians, like the least desirable immigrant group imaginable. 0.97

00:28:57.800 Like, 99% of Somalians in Britain are either in social housing or in prison. We're paying to battery farm Somalians. 1.00

00:29:02.620 Please give me the affirmative case why. But also, I think it's going to catch up to Australia, too.

00:29:06.040 No, I, um, it was so interesting what you were saying about that, uh, the Home Secretary, I believe, like, referring to Indians as, like, the living bridges,

00:29:13.300 because in Australia, we had a guy who was the head of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade make a report,

00:29:20.700 basically, through the Department of Foreign Affairs to the government in regards to, like, how to best, like, how to get the most out of our relationship with India.

00:29:28.200 And in that report, Varghese, uh, said, effectively, the only way to increase bilateral relations with India

00:29:36.020 is to not only increase the size of their diaspora, but also, like, the prestige of them.

00:29:41.260 Like, they have to be in peak industry bodies, they have to get into the government, uh, they have to...

00:29:47.020 Just basically, everywhere there is a corridor of power, he was saying, look, if you want a better relationship with India,

00:29:51.840 we need to put them so-and-so.

00:29:54.580 And, um, obviously, India has been applying a lot of pressure in Australia, like they were in the UK.

00:30:01.460 I remember Kemi, uh, Badendoc, when she was a Trade Minister, was saying how difficult it was working with India

00:30:06.500 because they were so, like, so unrelenting on migration.

00:30:11.920 Like, you'd be doing some silk deal or something, and they'd be trying to put migration amendments in there.

00:30:17.100 Like, that is, uh, partly because it's a life plot economically for their nation, like, remittances are so important.

00:30:22.560 But also, yeah, the BJP, the ruling party of India, like, in a sense of, like, a far-right party in India ruled by Modi,

00:30:29.540 they've had general secretaries of that party say the Jewish diaspora in the United States is the model.

00:30:35.100 That is the model, because how effective it's been, you know, I think everyone can agree for Israel, it's been highly effective.

00:30:39.780 India's like, well, we want that. 0.99

00:30:41.240 And they're saying it openly, and I think they're doing it openly.

00:30:43.460 So, back to that DFAT report, yeah, it was saying we have to increase the size of this diaspora, the prestige of them.

00:30:49.600 Anyways, uh, Varghese finishes his position at DFAT, and he transitions into the, being a Chancellor, I believe, of the University of Queensland.

00:30:58.320 And, like, in one of his speeches there, he says, you know, I was, I was born in, uh, I believe he was born in Kenya,

00:31:05.680 and he's like, I was born in Kenya, blah, blah, blah, but India's the birthplace of my parents.

00:31:10.160 And so, it's sat there, blurred in my upbringing, and I have this, like, love for India.

00:31:14.940 And I remember reading that, because it's not really, really prominently advertised at ease of, like, Indian heritage,

00:31:21.900 because I think the Kenya is really emphasised.

00:31:23.680 But it's, like, kind of wild that this guy was born in Kenya, then grew up in Australia,

00:31:27.500 and then he's talking about India and his speeches at his, at his non-government role.

00:31:32.100 Um, it's, it's pretty wild to me, and I have alluded to in the past, I'm like, well, I feel like, you know,

00:31:39.120 if it was maybe, like, uh, Anglo-descended Australian, would they have really made the same suggestions

00:31:43.380 to the Australian government, saying, we have to bring in more Indians and put them into our government?

00:31:48.560 Basically, we have to become India to have a better relationship with India. 0.82

00:31:51.280 I think most, like, Aussies would be, like, that's, you know, too parasitical of a relationship. 1.00

00:31:56.880 Like, what an agreement that is.

00:31:58.160 Like, let's just become India so we can have a better relationship with them.

00:32:01.520 Um, whereas for him, that was, like, a, yeah, totally normal calculation to make.

00:32:04.840 Uh, I remember reading that report, and I just could not believe that that was tabled in Parliament

00:32:08.000 and accepted, and therefore, many recommendations moved on.

00:32:12.700 But, yeah, there's so many parallels, and, uh, I think that report even said, uh,

00:32:16.580 people-to-people links, which, again, is, like you were saying with, uh, the bridges,

00:32:20.480 or living bridges, is a term from India.

00:32:23.300 Like, that is a term that Modi and his BJB party will use, people-to-people links.

00:32:28.160 Leaving bridges.

00:32:29.440 And then it's reflected in our politics.

00:32:31.220 It's, it's, uh, it's absurd.

00:32:33.380 Everyone's a blood-and-soil nationalist for the place they actually like, it turns out.

00:32:36.760 Yeah, literally.

00:32:37.460 I mean, I mean, stateside, obviously, you guys will know, you know, know this well.

00:32:41.340 Did the rounds on Twitter when it happened.

00:32:43.340 Last Christmas, the, uh, Christmas crash-off from Vivek Ramaswamy here in the States,

00:32:47.960 where he literally got up.

00:32:49.600 And it's one thing for someone to come here from India 1.00

00:32:51.660 and advocate for India on blood-and-soil grounds.

00:32:55.620 That's one thing, which is bad.

00:32:57.380 Uh, but it's another thing when they lecture the native population in the United States,

00:33:01.240 where he was literally getting up, and he was like,

00:33:02.940 hey, the fact that Americans have, like, sleepovers, and we're, like, play football,

00:33:07.200 uh, that's actually negative.

00:33:08.180 You guys should be sitting around doing homework all day

00:33:10.000 and, like, practicing for the spelling bee.

00:33:11.500 And he was, like, totally using it as, like, a... 0.99

00:33:13.720 So, I'm like, you just showed up here, and then, and your country sucks. 0.99

00:33:16.780 That's why you came here. 0.98

00:33:18.320 And then, you know, you've come here, and you're, like,

00:33:20.240 saying that we don't have it all figured out.

00:33:22.200 I'm like, hey, can you go look up on the moon

00:33:23.800 and you can tell me whose flag that is up there?

00:33:26.140 Yeah, I don't think we need any advice.

00:33:27.540 I think we'll take the sleepovers, and, uh, yeah,

00:33:29.800 we'll knock out the homework maybe a little later.

00:33:31.840 We'll do it in homeroom, maybe.

00:33:32.860 I don't know.

00:33:34.060 He just wanted a massive ISAT boost, and, uh, it was denied, I think.

00:33:37.500 I think the entire state of Ohio is about to deny him his ISAT

00:33:40.220 by making sure he loses, like, a R-plus-10 district

00:33:43.640 to your average Dem, who is, like, flanking right

00:33:46.080 on American culture of him.

00:33:47.680 He had the audacity.

00:33:48.380 Everyone thought it was AI to say that, like,

00:33:50.760 kids should spend longer in school,

00:33:52.940 so the kids, so the parents can spend longer in work.

00:33:55.800 He's, like, literally turning America into, like,

00:33:58.020 a spreadsheet filling out.

00:34:01.280 It was real.

00:34:02.060 Yeah, no, it was real.

00:34:02.860 Like, his team knew it was that bad that they pulled it,

00:34:05.500 and then, apparently, they, like, circulated the rumor

00:34:07.660 it was AI, which then people bought

00:34:09.440 because they thought it was that bad.

00:34:10.900 I even thought, ah, the first time I've been fooled by AI, 0.99

00:34:13.760 you know, fools on me. 0.95

00:34:14.640 It turns out it wasn't, like, you know, 0.99

00:34:16.940 one of those black history photos

00:34:18.200 that all of black Twitter fall for. 0.85

00:34:19.660 It was actually that bad that it was real, too. 0.54

00:34:23.020 Yeah, dude, we're having stateside the same problem

00:34:25.680 that we already, I thought we put it away.

00:34:28.020 I thought Trump had finally destroyed this philosophy,

00:34:31.100 is, like, we just run candidates

00:34:33.080 that are of a minority group

00:34:34.060 because we're convinced that if we can win 2%

00:34:36.020 of, like, the black vote,

00:34:37.300 then we can flip, you know, a state. 0.79

00:34:39.120 But now it's worse.

00:34:39.880 We have these safe states, like Florida and Ohio,

00:34:42.580 which are, like, plus, they voted for Trump

00:34:45.140 by, like, dictatorial numbers.

00:34:46.860 And we're running, effectively, DEI candidates

00:34:50.660 because, I don't know, we're trying to signal

00:34:53.060 to a group that's not even in power anymore

00:34:55.320 that, like, we're not racist.

00:34:56.820 It's just, like, I thought we put this to bed already,

00:34:59.720 and now it's being re-litigated all over again

00:35:02.300 right in front of my very eyes

00:35:03.380 because we're going to lose Ohio.

00:35:05.700 And there's a decent chance we lose Florida

00:35:07.700 with Byron Donalds running.

00:35:09.340 These are two states that Trump

00:35:10.740 not only put back in the Republican camp,

00:35:13.140 but, like, overwhelmingly put back

00:35:15.080 in the Republican camp.

00:35:15.960 And we're undoing it.

00:35:17.300 And the motivations are varied,

00:35:20.060 but from the Republican,

00:35:21.740 the state Republican parties,

00:35:23.920 there's still this persistent anti-white hatred,

00:35:26.700 and oftentimes it's self-hatred,

00:35:28.940 that proliferates.

00:35:30.360 And it's going to cost us at the ballot box.

00:35:32.420 It's going to cost us electorally,

00:35:33.800 and it's going to make it much more difficult

00:35:35.680 for the Trump administration to conduct,

00:35:38.000 to, you know, enact policy

00:35:39.400 when they're losing vital state governors' houses. 0.97

00:35:42.660 It's ridiculous. 0.86

00:35:44.240 Yeah. 0.93

00:35:44.500 It's kind of crazy to me that they can have,

00:35:46.740 like, it's such unapologetic rhetoric

00:35:50.020 on Europe becoming, like, majority non-white,

00:35:53.760 and, you know, their key allies

00:35:55.420 going down this demographic, like, suicide path.

00:35:59.200 And then, I don't know,

00:35:59.960 there's no really,

00:36:00.800 I haven't really seen anyone,

00:36:03.460 or Trump, for example,

00:36:04.820 say about America,

00:36:06.520 which you'd think would be more pertinent

00:36:08.340 than strictly, you know,

00:36:10.140 the key allies in Europe and such,

00:36:12.060 which is definitely a welcome development,

00:36:13.900 like, here in Australia,

00:36:14.740 them sort of pressuring us

00:36:16.900 through their embassies

00:36:18.700 and other diplomatic pathways,

00:36:20.920 pressuring us to try and make reports

00:36:22.420 on migrant crime,

00:36:23.640 which I imagine will be difficult to do

00:36:25.940 because of how Australia collects data.

00:36:28.040 We sort of strip it of a lot of those,

00:36:30.620 you know, you might say,

00:36:31.560 immutable characteristics,

00:36:32.580 like, it's race-blind,

00:36:34.160 it might be migration status-blind.

00:36:37.220 So welcome developments, sure,

00:36:38.940 in where they've been pressuring Europe

00:36:40.380 and Australia included,

00:36:42.040 but on the home front,

00:36:44.780 it's, as you were saying,

00:36:45.680 it's just, like, anti-white GOP,

00:36:48.660 but it's having, like,

00:36:49.720 international policy is, like,

00:36:51.420 explicitly pro-white politic.

00:36:52.860 Like, I don't really know

00:36:53.780 where that's come from,

00:36:54.960 that disconnect.

00:36:56.080 Yeah, well, I mean,

00:36:56.680 one thing is, like,

00:36:57.420 Trump seems to have changed this.

00:36:59.600 I mean, he's always, always,

00:37:01.160 obviously always been a tastemaker

00:37:03.160 in the Republican Party,

00:37:04.260 but in, like, the last,

00:37:05.400 I think it was really

00:37:06.160 that National Guard shooting in D.C.,

00:37:07.960 he's gotten really bold

00:37:09.840 with a lot of his language,

00:37:12.300 and it's been fantastic.

00:37:13.640 I was saying,

00:37:14.460 I think he really just

00:37:15.360 doesn't like Somalians, 1.00

00:37:16.900 because, like,

00:37:17.800 fair play, who would?

00:37:19.540 And Somalians don't even like Somalians. 0.99

00:37:21.220 And, like,

00:37:21.760 some of his best lines

00:37:24.240 have been in the last, like,

00:37:25.220 week or two,

00:37:25.760 just specifically speaking

00:37:26.640 about Somalians.

00:37:27.280 So it does seem like Trump

00:37:28.660 is maybe understanding

00:37:30.360 the demographic issue,

00:37:32.660 or if he has understood it,

00:37:33.880 he's finally sort of

00:37:35.400 speaking about it

00:37:36.340 in very explicit terms,

00:37:37.440 and that's really beneficial

00:37:38.260 to the American people.

00:37:40.200 But like you said,

00:37:40.940 I mean, yeah,

00:37:41.780 internationally,

00:37:42.720 the State Department's

00:37:43.740 been really aggressive.

00:37:44.660 I mean, there was the note

00:37:45.400 that circulated,

00:37:46.240 it was about a week ago,

00:37:47.720 from the Trump administration

00:37:49.460 by the State Department,

00:37:50.520 saying, like,

00:37:51.100 yeah, all Anglosphere countries,

00:37:53.620 why are you killing yourselves?

00:37:54.740 We're trying to build

00:37:55.840 an intel apparatus

00:37:57.480 that includes you guys,

00:37:59.160 and if you're going to, 1.00

00:37:59.740 like, commit suicide, 0.99

00:38:01.220 we might have to look 0.99

00:38:01.980 elsewhere for allies.

00:38:02.940 We don't want to have to do that.

00:38:04.020 So instead,

00:38:04.460 we're just going to kind of

00:38:05.200 use our power

00:38:06.140 to bend your politicians

00:38:07.540 to our will.

00:38:08.860 And like you said,

00:38:09.580 welcome to development.

00:38:10.080 But it's, yeah,

00:38:10.700 I mean,

00:38:10.940 let's get more explicit

00:38:12.380 on the American side.

00:38:13.220 I think Trump

00:38:13.860 has been good

00:38:14.800 on rhetoric-wise,

00:38:15.660 but the GOP

00:38:16.420 as a whole,

00:38:18.020 there's still so much

00:38:18.640 rot in there

00:38:19.360 that it's just going

00:38:21.420 to take a while

00:38:21.920 to truly turn.

00:38:23.400 I think the difference

00:38:23.980 is that our guys

00:38:27.820 are in the State Department

00:38:28.680 and, like,

00:38:29.500 we know that actual

00:38:30.180 patriots are in there.

00:38:31.180 Like,

00:38:31.360 I've spoken to guys

00:38:32.540 who, like,

00:38:32.840 watch my show

00:38:33.940 and they work

00:38:35.040 for the U.S. government

00:38:35.660 now.

00:38:35.960 It's absolutely crazy.

00:38:37.200 I know there are guys

00:38:37.800 that, like,

00:38:38.320 watch this show

00:38:39.700 that are working in there

00:38:40.940 and they know what time

00:38:41.800 it is,

00:38:42.060 they understand the framing.

00:38:43.120 Whereas,

00:38:43.500 God bless Trump,

00:38:44.360 like,

00:38:44.580 he's done a lot

00:38:45.200 for America

00:38:45.940 and he's done a lot

00:38:46.500 for the Anglosphere,

00:38:47.740 but every boomer

00:38:49.100 has a ceiling

00:38:49.700 on how base

00:38:50.280 they can be

00:38:50.920 and Trump's

00:38:51.920 shows his

00:38:52.800 when he starts

00:38:53.520 talking about

00:38:54.040 the need to prop up

00:38:54.780 historically black colleges.

00:38:56.100 I mean,

00:38:56.620 are we really believing

00:38:57.700 that any college,

00:38:58.980 let alone the historically

00:38:59.960 black colleges,

00:39:00.980 are citadels

00:39:02.140 of support for MAGA,

00:39:03.480 let alone the Republican Party

00:39:05.100 who have made overtures

00:39:06.080 to them for ages

00:39:07.300 and never won more

00:39:08.380 than, like,

00:39:08.800 one stairweather percent

00:39:10.280 of the black vote

00:39:11.140 and suddenly announced

00:39:11.900 the brothers are breaking

00:39:12.780 for us.

00:39:13.580 So, I think,

00:39:14.360 actually,

00:39:14.800 the guy in the admin

00:39:16.640 who are under him,

00:39:17.540 and I think Barnes

00:39:18.060 gets this as well,

00:39:19.080 they understand

00:39:19.740 that there are just

00:39:20.300 certain peoples

00:39:20.800 and cultures

00:39:21.300 that are wholesale

00:39:22.340 incompatible with

00:39:23.640 America,

00:39:24.760 but also the Christian

00:39:26.400 Anglosphere

00:39:27.040 and they don't want

00:39:28.360 that inflicted

00:39:29.040 on any of the countries

00:39:30.260 that they like to visit

00:39:31.360 that they consider

00:39:31.960 to be friends

00:39:32.880 and allies,

00:39:33.640 not just in the,

00:39:34.340 like,

00:39:34.580 bilateral military

00:39:35.420 agreement sense,

00:39:36.120 but they have a kind

00:39:36.980 of kinship

00:39:37.580 and affinity for us.

00:39:38.960 I've often said

00:39:39.760 that a lot of the Americans

00:39:40.840 that visit London,

00:39:41.940 especially when they

00:39:42.640 came over ARC

00:39:43.340 and had to endure,

00:39:44.020 like,

00:39:44.100 the Hindu obstacle course 1.00

00:39:45.180 of Heathrow Airport,

00:39:46.300 think that the motherland

00:39:47.780 has fallen,

00:39:48.400 and so they want to help us

00:39:49.140 rescue it from our

00:39:49.920 treacherous governments,

00:39:50.700 and that's very welcome.

00:39:51.840 But I agree that,

00:39:52.700 like,

00:39:52.980 the language of

00:39:54.140 and answering the question

00:39:55.440 of what is an American

00:39:56.360 requires the recognition

00:39:57.840 that Americans

00:39:58.800 have basically undergone

00:39:59.660 ethnogenesis

00:40:00.340 and are a distinct

00:40:00.960 ethnic group.

00:40:01.720 And I think,

00:40:02.020 actually,

00:40:02.300 Senator Eric Schmidt's

00:40:03.300 speech,

00:40:04.220 and I know some of his team,

00:40:05.960 and again,

00:40:06.420 they're our guys,

00:40:07.000 but that he articulated

00:40:09.120 America as an ethnicity

00:40:11.720 of Anglo-Protestants

00:40:13.580 and Scotch-Irish

00:40:14.740 that have a distinct

00:40:16.600 frontier spirit,

00:40:17.620 very similar to that

00:40:18.300 of Australia as well,

00:40:19.640 in that you had to

00:40:20.420 board a ship,

00:40:21.380 you know,

00:40:21.580 separate yourself

00:40:22.140 from the family members,

00:40:23.140 sever your ties

00:40:23.660 to the previous land,

00:40:24.740 and be willing to

00:40:25.600 undergo hardship

00:40:26.460 seeking not just fortune,

00:40:28.500 but also the establishment

00:40:29.740 of a shining city

00:40:30.520 on a hill,

00:40:31.060 a Christian mission

00:40:31.980 over there.

00:40:32.720 It forges a type

00:40:33.940 of character

00:40:34.420 and a spirit

00:40:34.980 as part of the

00:40:36.240 ethnogenesis.

00:40:36.920 It's not just that

00:40:37.480 you're, like,

00:40:38.980 pale,

00:40:39.560 it's that you have

00:40:40.400 a distinct character,

00:40:41.940 a distinct set

00:40:42.580 of beliefs as well,

00:40:43.540 and that's bound up

00:40:44.440 with your ethnic identity.

00:40:45.520 You can't separate the two.

00:40:46.780 So, in order to

00:40:47.780 conserve America,

00:40:48.640 you don't need to

00:40:49.220 conserve GDP

00:40:49.880 or the Constitution

00:40:50.820 or values

00:40:51.900 or even just, like,

00:40:53.800 pick the ethnicities

00:40:55.240 that might annoy you

00:40:56.060 with Trump,

00:40:56.920 Ilhan Omar,

00:40:57.560 and Somalians.

00:40:58.020 You need to be focused

00:40:58.700 on conserving the people,

00:41:00.220 the families,

00:41:00.980 your loved ones.

00:41:01.920 Otherwise,

00:41:02.280 much like as Ben Franklin

00:41:03.960 said about trading

00:41:04.920 liberty for security,

00:41:06.180 if you don't conserve

00:41:06.820 the people,

00:41:07.220 you don't get the GDP,

00:41:08.120 the values,

00:41:08.560 or the country either.

00:41:10.060 Yeah, I mean,

00:41:10.660 that's probably

00:41:12.380 one of the fears

00:41:13.800 I could detect

00:41:14.860 when I was in the States

00:41:15.960 last and, you know,

00:41:17.140 on college campuses

00:41:18.180 with Turning Point

00:41:18.980 and whatnot

00:41:19.340 is that, you know,

00:41:21.240 is all this rhetoric

00:41:22.180 really the result

00:41:23.160 of, like,

00:41:23.580 Trump shaking things

00:41:24.400 up so much

00:41:25.060 and is,

00:41:25.860 similar to how

00:41:26.480 we've had it in Australia

00:41:27.380 as I was describing,

00:41:28.280 this sort of old guard,

00:41:29.660 do they persist

00:41:30.380 in the GOP

00:41:31.040 where,

00:41:31.420 let's say,

00:41:32.940 like,

00:41:33.580 let's give a hypothetical,

00:41:35.160 obviously,

00:41:35.660 Trump's term is over,

00:41:37.300 somehow Vance

00:41:38.180 doesn't get the primary

00:41:39.620 or whatever,

00:41:40.280 like,

00:41:41.120 whoever comes next,

00:41:42.560 are we going to get just like,

00:41:43.660 what's his name,

00:41:44.340 Brylin,

00:41:44.800 Holy Hand,

00:41:45.360 politics?

00:41:46.060 Like,

00:41:46.260 is this,

00:41:47.140 you know,

00:41:47.560 is the infrastructure

00:41:49.760 around Trump,

00:41:50.700 it might not really be

00:41:51.560 aligned with him anyway,

00:41:52.480 it could just be tolerating him

00:41:53.500 simply because of the fact

00:41:54.480 that he's been winning.

00:41:56.400 The fear is that,

00:41:57.640 what,

00:41:57.780 does everything just

00:41:58.500 kind of vanish with him

00:42:00.160 and all this rhetoric

00:42:00.820 disappears?

00:42:03.240 You know,

00:42:03.460 obviously,

00:42:03.840 the most optimal thing

00:42:05.000 for it to be able to be

00:42:05.860 to persist and actually

00:42:07.420 be refined

00:42:08.060 and as we've been talking

00:42:09.000 about here,

00:42:09.360 become more potent

00:42:10.160 and more relevant

00:42:11.640 to do with the actual

00:42:12.560 heritage Americans.

00:42:14.100 No,

00:42:14.500 the fear is that

00:42:15.740 all that is done away with

00:42:17.340 and is just replaced with

00:42:19.020 what we've,

00:42:20.000 what you were saying

00:42:20.640 is reflections of,

00:42:21.580 like,

00:42:21.760 anti-white politics

00:42:22.560 within the GOP

00:42:23.300 and that could become

00:42:24.280 like writ large

00:42:25.000 and you could have

00:42:26.820 billions of dollars

00:42:27.560 of grants

00:42:28.140 towards the historically

00:42:29.400 black colleges.

00:42:30.500 Yeah, 0.89

00:42:31.000 I mean,

00:42:31.260 that's why the battle

00:42:31.900 within the commentary

00:42:32.700 class actually is

00:42:33.780 of some relevance

00:42:34.900 for our future

00:42:35.500 because that is,

00:42:36.880 that is post-Trump,

00:42:39.300 that's where the battleground

00:42:40.260 is deciding

00:42:41.020 what is going to be

00:42:42.360 the policy platform

00:42:43.320 of the GOP

00:42:43.900 going forward.

00:42:45.200 I think Oron McIntyre

00:42:46.380 articulates this very well

00:42:47.420 as far as understanding

00:42:48.700 who we are as a people

00:42:49.920 is he just looks at,

00:42:51.020 looks at it as a scale.

00:42:53.080 I mean,

00:42:53.240 the closer you are

00:42:54.100 to that Anglo-Protestant tradition,

00:42:56.400 the closer you are

00:42:57.360 to that heritage America,

00:42:58.540 to that core American

00:42:59.380 and that scale,

00:43:00.880 that battle that's happening

00:43:02.040 in the commentary class

00:43:02.940 is actually really relevant

00:43:03.840 because you're seeing guys

00:43:04.640 like Oron under fire

00:43:06.260 being called,

00:43:07.360 you know,

00:43:07.560 woke rioter or whatever

00:43:08.820 because that's what's happening.

00:43:10.300 There's a battle

00:43:10.920 over the frame right now

00:43:12.360 because I think everyone's

00:43:13.480 starting to understand

00:43:14.020 like,

00:43:14.300 okay,

00:43:14.420 yes,

00:43:14.600 we still have three years

00:43:15.200 of Trump

00:43:15.500 and we can make

00:43:15.880 a lot of headway

00:43:16.660 but when he's gone,

00:43:17.860 when he's out of the way,

00:43:19.220 all the knives

00:43:19.800 are going to come back out.

00:43:20.500 We're going to relitigate

00:43:21.280 all of this over again

00:43:22.300 and so again,

00:43:23.640 that's why I reiterate,

00:43:24.320 I mean,

00:43:24.440 I've said it before,

00:43:24.980 I'll say it again,

00:43:25.880 it's like this sort of conflict

00:43:27.640 we're seeing

00:43:28.240 in the conservative realm

00:43:30.700 is of utmost importance.

00:43:32.600 I mean,

00:43:32.840 you've got to start winning now.

00:43:34.180 You've got to start swinging

00:43:35.220 the base over to your ideas

00:43:38.140 because,

00:43:38.740 yeah,

00:43:39.400 that 28 primary

00:43:40.300 is going to be a knife fight

00:43:41.320 and you're already seeing

00:43:41.960 the well get poisoned

00:43:42.840 for a lot of ideas

00:43:44.960 that Trump knowingly

00:43:46.280 or unknowingly

00:43:46.960 has brought along

00:43:49.800 as he's entered

00:43:51.400 or introduced

00:43:52.840 to the right-wing zeitgeist

00:43:54.780 in the United States

00:43:55.640 and yeah,

00:43:57.760 it's of utmost importance.

00:43:58.860 That's what it is.

00:43:59.820 I think that's the value

00:44:00.720 of these sort of conversations

00:44:02.200 like across the pond

00:44:03.360 is for Heritage Americas

00:44:05.620 to understand like,

00:44:06.740 hey,

00:44:07.060 for these settler colonies

00:44:08.420 or settler countries

00:44:09.440 like Canada,

00:44:10.300 like Australia,

00:44:11.400 like New Zealand,

00:44:11.960 they actually kind of

00:44:12.960 are having the same debates

00:44:14.220 and the right-wing there

00:44:15.800 in Australia

00:44:16.980 and Canada

00:44:17.460 and New Zealand

00:44:17.960 accepted the same

00:44:19.280 propositional nation theory

00:44:21.600 that the United States accepted

00:44:22.780 which was,

00:44:23.960 oh,

00:44:24.120 actually,

00:44:24.480 there's no such thing

00:44:25.220 as like an ethnic American.

00:44:27.620 Like anyone can be an American.

00:44:28.720 The soil is magic

00:44:29.560 and as long as you pick up

00:44:30.460 a pocketbook constitution

00:44:31.520 then you're an American

00:44:32.320 and that's just not serving us well.

00:44:34.780 All it's resulting

00:44:35.400 is slaying National Guard members

00:44:38.380 on the streets of our capital

00:44:39.560 and no,

00:44:41.020 it's time to actually

00:44:41.560 have a conversation of,

00:44:42.780 look,

00:44:42.900 if we're going to be

00:44:43.320 denaturalizing people

00:44:44.400 that's a big step

00:44:45.540 and I do think that

00:44:46.660 that is a goal

00:44:47.980 of the Trump administration.

00:44:48.840 They're moving in that direction.

00:44:50.540 That naturally begs the question

00:44:52.180 who is going to be denaturalized?

00:44:54.960 Can we denaturalize

00:44:56.040 the Heritage American?

00:44:56.760 Everyone says,

00:44:57.560 no,

00:44:57.780 everyone kind of

00:44:58.160 instinctually knows

00:44:58.860 what that is.

00:44:59.860 Now it's time

00:45:00.200 to intellectualize that idea.

00:45:01.460 It's time to bring that idea

00:45:02.540 and tighten ranks

00:45:03.760 and actually deliver that

00:45:04.900 to the conservative base.

00:45:06.780 I mean,

00:45:06.920 because the left's

00:45:07.320 never going to go along with it

00:45:08.140 but the conservative base

00:45:08.880 needs to understand

00:45:09.580 why do we need

00:45:10.680 to denaturalize people?

00:45:11.640 If we can determine

00:45:12.740 who shouldn't be an American, 0.99

00:45:15.280 that's going to be

00:45:15.820 very helpful going forward

00:45:17.280 because I would say

00:45:18.720 it's probably up to

00:45:19.260 100 million people

00:45:20.040 in my opinion.

00:45:21.480 But yeah,

00:45:22.240 I don't know what you guys think.

00:45:22.820 It's relevant for across the pond

00:45:25.240 because I gave a speech

00:45:27.100 when I was in the States

00:45:27.860 on the topic of legal

00:45:30.100 versus illegal immigration

00:45:31.420 and I sort of gave the warning

00:45:33.600 to the American audience

00:45:34.820 that look,

00:45:36.420 Australia has done 0.99

00:45:37.100 the legal immigration thing

00:45:38.380 and it's possibly more pernicious

00:45:39.700 in terms of like replacement

00:45:41.520 and sliding into minority status

00:45:43.580 than illegal

00:45:44.500 because it can be so acceptable

00:45:47.560 on economic terms

00:45:48.960 and various other terms

00:45:50.200 which most people

00:45:51.340 will be happy with

00:45:52.740 whereas illegal immigration

00:45:54.300 is something that

00:45:56.180 as we've seen in the States

00:45:57.400 basically can be sunsetted

00:45:58.840 because of popular will.

00:46:01.200 I would say that America

00:46:02.060 largely has overcome

00:46:04.000 at least under this administration

00:46:05.180 the problem to do

00:46:06.740 with illegal immigration

00:46:07.960 as we were saying earlier

00:46:08.700 net negative migration now

00:46:10.380 but you've seen

00:46:12.220 shifts in the background

00:46:13.920 likes of Vivek

00:46:14.940 as we mentioned

00:46:15.560 or even Elon

00:46:16.340 to a degree

00:46:16.940 and Trump himself

00:46:18.300 liking the idea of H-1Bs 1.00

00:46:20.280 and Trump

00:46:21.160 when he says H-1B

00:46:22.260 I feel like they should

00:46:22.840 make a new term

00:46:23.800 because I do feel like

00:46:24.480 he's talking about

00:46:24.960 extremely specialised positions

00:46:26.680 but is making the accent

00:46:28.880 of wholesale defence

00:46:29.820 of you know

00:46:31.660 what is a mass immigration tool

00:46:33.440 but the speech

00:46:34.660 I was basically delivering

00:46:35.440 was saying

00:46:35.900 look

00:46:36.120 you've done

00:46:37.340 you've gotten done

00:46:38.460 you've gotten away

00:46:39.700 with ending illegal immigration

00:46:41.480 but you're being placated

00:46:42.800 now

00:46:43.660 and you're allowing

00:46:44.660 for this rhetoric

00:46:45.680 within the GOP

00:46:46.500 to grow about H-1Bs 0.99

00:46:47.940 and so it's like

00:46:49.440 critical

00:46:50.100 to hear

00:46:52.320 the warning

00:46:53.020 of the likes of Australia

00:46:53.980 where we've only

00:46:54.480 basically ever had

00:46:55.420 legal immigration

00:46:56.160 and now we're potentially

00:46:57.400 demographically worse off

00:46:58.720 than if we had

00:46:59.440 illegal immigration

00:47:00.220 because

00:47:01.020 we've had it all

00:47:02.720 in similar

00:47:03.720 I guess you could say

00:47:04.380 like population growth

00:47:05.940 America had 12.5%

00:47:07.360 in the last 25 years

00:47:08.320 I think Australia had

00:47:09.140 25%

00:47:10.940 like we've had

00:47:11.960 a much higher population growth

00:47:13.420 stemming from

00:47:13.940 legal immigration

00:47:14.760 all the while

00:47:16.260 you know

00:47:17.320 we're nowhere near

00:47:17.900 ending legal immigration 0.83

00:47:19.100 as America has

00:47:20.200 you know

00:47:20.840 just gotten done

00:47:21.480 with ending illegal immigration

00:47:22.700 so the point is that

00:47:24.140 you know

00:47:24.980 the GOP

00:47:25.820 yes

00:47:26.120 needs to advance

00:47:27.200 the rhetoric

00:47:27.600 at least the base

00:47:28.500 might need to

00:47:29.100 be

00:47:29.700 awakened

00:47:31.280 by the commentator

00:47:32.140 to realise that

00:47:33.200 you haven't

00:47:34.180 ended one issue

00:47:35.460 and now it's like

00:47:36.040 the golden age

00:47:36.700 you've ended one issue

00:47:37.580 and now there's like

00:47:38.080 a nightmare situation

00:47:39.360 just bubbling away

00:47:41.720 in the background

00:47:42.320 by the likes of

00:47:43.260 like their tech class

00:47:44.260 and Vivek

00:47:44.880 and what not

00:47:45.600 Connor

00:47:46.300 want to bring us home

00:47:47.180 yeah

00:47:48.400 well

00:47:48.900 thank you very much

00:47:49.820 gentlemen

00:47:50.160 we appreciate your time

00:47:51.960 if you want to find

00:47:54.100 Auspill

00:47:54.580 where should they go

00:47:56.220 to find your work sir

00:47:57.060 they can just go to

00:47:59.380 www.auspill.com

00:48:01.940 A-U-S-P-I-L-L 1.00

00:48:03.500 dot com

00:48:04.080 should have everything there

00:48:05.600 yeah

00:48:06.100 they can watch you

00:48:07.380 flexing in the mirror

00:48:08.400 in the gym

00:48:08.880 and the daily mail

00:48:09.940 absolutely iconic

00:48:12.800 Terry

00:48:14.140 thank you very much

00:48:14.900 as always

00:48:15.420 you can find me on

00:48:16.820 x at

00:48:17.820 con underscore

00:48:18.500 Tomlinson

00:48:18.940 you can find me on

00:48:19.780 youtube and sub stack

00:48:20.740 under

00:48:21.440 Connor Tomlinson

00:48:22.100 and you can tune in to

00:48:23.120 Across the Pond

00:48:23.640 every Saturday

00:48:24.320 and Sunday

00:48:25.340 now

00:48:25.780 and I believe we're going to

00:48:26.800 start cross posting

00:48:27.500 on my channel

00:48:28.240 too

00:48:29.020 so we can

00:48:29.540 cross pollinate our 0.98

00:48:30.760 audiences as well

00:48:31.600 as Across the Pond

00:48:32.600 and yet again

00:48:33.100 if you have any

00:48:33.540 guest suggestions

00:48:34.180 drop them down below

00:48:35.100 because we do enjoy

00:48:35.800 reading the comments

00:48:36.940 you patriots

00:48:37.540 are fantastic posters

00:48:38.400 down there

00:48:38.920 so thank you

00:48:39.600 for keeping us

00:48:40.060 amused

00:48:40.520 yeah we love it

00:48:41.800 Auspil it's great

00:48:42.400 to have you dude

00:48:42.920 it's annoying

00:48:43.940 getting mogged

00:48:44.740 on our own

00:48:45.240 on our own show

00:48:46.020 like what's going on

00:48:46.940 here it's a total

00:48:47.440 containment breach

00:48:48.300 but with that

00:48:49.540 you can find me

00:48:50.080 on x and instagram

00:48:50.800 at realtapebrown

00:48:51.900 like Connor said

00:48:52.900 we'll be back

00:48:53.560 and we'll be back

00:48:54.360 next week

00:48:54.960 with a whole new

00:48:55.800 slate of content

00:48:56.800 for you guys

00:48:57.420 and with that

00:48:58.660 thank you very much

00:48:59.280 for watching

00:48:59.660 thank you

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - December 07, 2025

MAGA Revolution Is COMING To Australia And UK ｜ The Culture War's Across The Pond

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