The Culture War - Tim Pool - December 08, 2025


Man ARRESTED In Armed Stalking Plot Of Benny Johnson, Matt Walsh, Laura Loomer


Episode Stats

Length

36 minutes

Words per Minute

164.40855

Word Count

6,039

Sentence Count

677

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

3


Summary

A man has been arrested in connection to the death of conservative commentator Matt Walsh and the threat to kill the Daily Wire's own Benny Johnson and his family. The FBI is investigating the possibility that it was an act of political intimidation.


Transcript

00:00:00.120 Over the weekend, Benny Johnson reported that a man went door to door looking for him and his family.
00:00:05.500 They believed he was armed.
00:00:06.780 He threatened the lives of Matt Walsh and his family.
00:00:10.200 He's reportedly stalking Benny, Matt Walsh, Laura Loomer, and showed up at the homes of several other individuals, prominent conservative personalities.
00:00:19.100 The man has been arrested.
00:00:20.460 We have more information on this story, though it hasn't been picked up by many news agencies.
00:00:26.540 Political violence in this country is getting worse.
00:00:28.280 Of course, you guys saw the post Saturday morning about the shots that were fired outside of our property.
00:00:35.400 A vehicle had approached.
00:00:37.000 Three shots were fired.
00:00:38.760 Obviously, we're still investigating, but there's really not much more that can be done.
00:00:43.340 We've got some footage.
00:00:45.180 We are reviewing it.
00:00:47.760 I can't say too much more because I don't want to compromise our security.
00:00:51.260 And ideally, we do figure out what this was, why it happened.
00:00:54.960 But we also got a threat in October.
00:00:56.800 However, we didn't talk about too much of the details because it is being investigated, but the threat was to come here and shoot up the studio and kill us.
00:01:03.980 We are in contact with the FBI.
00:01:06.200 But this story is not about me.
00:01:08.420 That story, my address, I did that in the morning.
00:01:10.640 This story here is about Benny.
00:01:12.260 It's about Matt Walsh, about Laura Loomer.
00:01:13.920 It's about the state of this country and the escalation of political violence.
00:01:16.380 And this, my friends, we are entering into a political year, a midterm year.
00:01:22.560 And the tensions are getting worse.
00:01:24.660 The mental state of the average American is getting worse.
00:01:28.440 And, you know, I'll be honest with you guys.
00:01:33.340 I'm not built for this.
00:01:36.640 Many are.
00:01:37.920 They're much stronger.
00:01:39.540 They knew the route they were taking in this space.
00:01:42.620 And they stand firm.
00:01:46.060 They stand brave.
00:01:47.720 They go on public.
00:01:50.220 Stephen Crowder doing his Change My Mind shows, despite all of the threats of violence against him and the security measures he takes.
00:01:56.400 Now with bulletproof glass in front of him as he sets up these conversations.
00:02:04.040 Benny Johnson, of course, has already talked about how, in one instance, his home was set on fire.
00:02:09.780 Matt Walsh, now suffering this fate.
00:02:13.700 The Daily Wire crew, of course.
00:02:15.660 The assassination of Charlie Kirk only so recently.
00:02:19.120 Political violence is absolutely escalating.
00:02:21.280 It's getting worse.
00:02:21.820 And it kind of blew my mind that, you know, I come, I get this news about, you know, again, for those that aren't familiar, I'm assuming it must be war because it was a big story, I guess.
00:02:34.720 I didn't think it was going to blow up so much.
00:02:35.880 But between midnight and 1 a.m. on Saturday morning, just, you know, Friday night, we're leaving the studio.
00:02:41.140 We had left a vehicle slowly approaching our property.
00:02:45.340 Once it was about aligned with one of the structures, fires a shot, speeds up a little bit.
00:02:49.960 Once it lines with their studio, fires two more shots.
00:02:53.140 We don't know why.
00:02:54.800 That's all.
00:02:55.340 That's all I said.
00:02:57.440 We could only assume, based on the threat assessment, that with the death threats and everything going on, it was an act of intimidation.
00:03:07.780 I just, I want to believe it's just random.
00:03:10.320 Just, I think that's wishful thinking.
00:03:13.500 Again, this isn't to make this another segment about what happened to us and me.
00:03:16.760 This is about Benny.
00:03:17.640 It's about others.
00:03:18.220 It's about all of us.
00:03:18.980 But imagine my surprise when, after this happens, Benny puts out this tweet where he says, a man came to his home.
00:03:29.140 We live in a big, a big rural area.
00:03:33.760 We have a gate.
00:03:34.800 We have a security perimeter.
00:03:36.200 We have armed guards.
00:03:39.080 Almost every night, vehicles lurk in front of our property.
00:03:42.480 Security flashes the lights.
00:03:44.720 They speed off.
00:03:45.320 Maybe it could be just some fans.
00:03:47.680 Really excited to try and figure out where we're at.
00:03:49.240 I don't know.
00:03:50.200 Kind of weird.
00:03:51.540 At our old property, we call it the castle.
00:03:55.020 There were people almost on a daily basis who would pull their vehicles up to the bottom of the hill, the driveway, and just sit there.
00:04:00.720 Just stare.
00:04:02.280 And it's terrifying and creepy.
00:04:04.500 We don't live there anymore.
00:04:06.100 We don't work there anymore.
00:04:07.240 People still show up years later.
00:04:11.520 So let's talk about what's happening in this country and what's happening to people like Benny, Matt Walsh, and happening to all of us and the fears that even you have.
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00:05:33.060 Here's a tweet from Benny Johnson.
00:05:34.240 He says this man showed up at my home where my wife and children live.
00:05:39.160 He was ranting about me and went door to door in my neighborhood, trying to find me, terrifying my neighbors.
00:05:44.800 We believe he was armed and fled before the cops arrived.
00:05:47.940 He then explicitly and publicly threatened the lives of Matt Walsh and his wife and children.
00:05:52.700 He recently showed up at Cat Turd's home, ranting and raving about me, Matt Walsh, and Laura Loomer.
00:05:59.340 Thank you to the FBI and DOJ for investigating these threats and swiftly arresting stalker Andrew Iyer.
00:06:06.220 He was clearly spiraling in a very dangerous way.
00:06:08.740 I don't like to speak publicly about this kind of stuff because it involves my family and their security.
00:06:13.020 I'm sick over it.
00:06:14.440 But I have an obligation to amplify this case as it is one of the multiple ongoing criminal prosecutions for threats against my family.
00:06:20.920 Over the past year, I've watched my president get shot in the head.
00:06:23.920 My friend get assassinated.
00:06:25.660 Things are spiraling wildly out of control.
00:06:28.200 There are real world consequences for psychotic rhetoric and lies amplified online enough.
00:06:34.100 If you are threatening my family, expect me to fight back with full force.
00:06:37.300 There is nothing I wouldn't do to protect my family.
00:06:40.100 I would gladly die for them.
00:06:41.540 This is good versus evil.
00:06:43.280 Darkness versus light.
00:06:45.160 The battle is spiritual.
00:06:46.680 With Christ, we will win.
00:06:48.560 And he posted this image of an arrest record of this man.
00:06:52.740 And it looks like he either lives in or is in Tampa, Florida.
00:06:58.220 Andrew Iyer is his name.
00:07:00.820 Now we have this from Primetimer.
00:07:03.380 What is Andrew Iyer accused of?
00:07:05.740 Laura Loomer claims this man was allegedly targeting her, her next, after Matt Walsh, Cat Turd, and Benny Johnson.
00:07:13.420 For those that aren't familiar, Cat Turd is an online personality who goes by the silly name, Cat Turd.
00:07:19.520 After stalker Andrew Iyer has been arrested, Laura Loomer puts forward a new theory that she was his next target.
00:07:24.420 Late on Sunday, November 30th, political activist Laura Loomer shared a tweet about Andrew Iyer, the Florida-based man who was charged for stalking podcaster Matt Walsh and Cat Turd last month.
00:07:35.780 Retweeting a post containing Iyer's arrest information, Loomer wrote the stalker was allegedly planning to pay her a visit next.
00:07:41.800 Laura also wrote that Andrew was reported as a dangerous individual on the run after his license plate was flagged by authorities.
00:07:48.680 Per a document attached to a blue sky post uploaded by Court Watch, the criminal complaint against Andrew Nikhil Iyer was filed in Florida, in a Florida district court, in which he was accused of threatening Matt Walsh's wife.
00:08:01.980 My Lord.
00:08:03.100 Here's Laura Loomer's tweet.
00:08:06.780 When Andrew Iyer was at Cat Turd's home, this individual who has been arrested was heard talking about how he was going to come to my house next.
00:08:14.880 He said he was going to come to my house and Benny Johnson's house.
00:08:17.080 When this happened, I immediately called Benny to let him know.
00:08:19.600 At the time, Iyer's license plate had been flagged for authorities as he was reported as a dangerous individual on the run.
00:08:26.640 And possibly armed?
00:08:28.080 I'm glad he's locked up.
00:08:30.720 Zero Hour on X says,
00:08:32.180 I want to believe.
00:09:02.180 I'm desperate to believe that what happened outside of our house, outside of our property, on Friday, was just a random yokel.
00:09:13.840 Like Yosemite Sam, for no reason, just yeehaw, firing shots in the air outside our property.
00:09:21.520 It doesn't really make sense.
00:09:24.320 And I've asked people over and over again.
00:09:25.840 I've asked people in law enforcement.
00:09:28.700 They say, Tim, rural drive-bys aren't all that common.
00:09:32.520 And that's the sad reality.
00:09:33.880 The wake-up call.
00:09:37.700 We've been here for years.
00:09:38.820 This never happened.
00:09:40.680 Now, there was an incident we had three years ago.
00:09:44.660 I believe I talked about it.
00:09:45.980 I'm not sure to the extent that we did talk about it.
00:09:48.660 But this is before we had actually moved to the new studio.
00:09:52.040 So this property that we're in, we had been building for some time.
00:09:56.240 Three men broke onto the property.
00:09:59.900 And our security opened fire on them.
00:10:02.740 And it left a bullet in one of our cabinets.
00:10:07.060 The men smashed through a window, got in a car, and fled.
00:10:11.380 We don't know what that was.
00:10:13.560 And I've never claimed that this was an attempt on my life or anything like that.
00:10:17.180 For all I know, it's just people lurk around rural areas trying to steal stuff or something.
00:10:22.800 This was back in, I believe, 2022.
00:10:24.900 I think I even posted the photo of it, to be honest.
00:10:27.100 Let me see if I can find that, actually.
00:10:32.100 I think I put it on X.
00:10:34.520 Let's see.
00:10:35.960 Hard to find.
00:10:38.660 Hard to find.
00:10:41.060 But this was a few years ago.
00:10:42.500 And I took a picture of it when I posted it.
00:10:44.000 I believe there might have been two.
00:10:46.540 That, I don't know.
00:10:48.680 We just kind of chalked up to, like, maybe it's a break-in.
00:10:50.160 Because we weren't actually relocated yet.
00:10:52.760 We had an incident.
00:10:54.360 And I never talk about these things.
00:10:55.860 Same thing as Benny is saying.
00:10:56.740 Like, we don't usually talk about it.
00:10:58.580 We had an incident where a vehicle stormed under the property.
00:11:03.820 And we don't know why.
00:11:08.000 It was a pickup truck.
00:11:10.420 We're armed.
00:11:12.360 Let's just say, I'll keep it light.
00:11:14.380 People came out.
00:11:15.460 There was yelling.
00:11:16.380 The car spun around and sped off quickly.
00:11:19.900 This was before we had set up our perimeter.
00:11:22.240 And it's why.
00:11:23.600 We immediately told our security team, we need a six-foot security perimeter gate.
00:11:29.800 Nobody can get in.
00:11:31.980 And I'm glad we did.
00:11:36.040 Our security's told us that, you know what?
00:11:38.280 I never talk about this stuff.
00:11:39.360 But, I mean, we're at the apex, my friends.
00:11:43.120 Something's going to change, right?
00:11:45.360 They've been telling us that people have been pulling up in the wee hours of the morning.
00:11:49.880 And they just lurk.
00:11:52.720 They pull up to our driveway.
00:11:54.220 They sit there.
00:11:54.760 And then the security will flicker lights.
00:11:55.980 Then they'll back out and speed off.
00:11:57.600 Cars will drive by and then slow down.
00:12:00.020 What we believe happened on Friday was a vehicle is slowly passing.
00:12:06.760 And then one shot is fired.
00:12:08.840 It slowly starts speeding up.
00:12:09.920 And then two more shots are fired.
00:12:13.760 I don't know.
00:12:15.560 The Wall Street Journal.
00:12:17.500 We're in an era of political violence.
00:12:20.520 Trump has been a target.
00:12:21.720 But he speaks so carelessly that he could end up becoming an instigator.
00:12:26.700 All this stuff just makes me sick to my stomach.
00:12:30.020 I can't believe where we're at.
00:12:32.040 But we're here.
00:12:35.660 I was telling my friends and family.
00:12:43.360 We are in a period of civil strife bordering on civil war.
00:12:47.900 And I've been the one screaming that for some time.
00:12:51.180 I don't think I'm wrong.
00:12:53.560 So when we got reporting about this latest incident where now we have shots being fired.
00:13:00.020 Just outside our property.
00:13:03.680 I try to be specific.
00:13:04.520 You know what I mean?
00:13:04.880 So you get an understanding of what happened.
00:13:09.260 If I did not take my own show serious.
00:13:12.620 Do I believe what I am telling you?
00:13:15.720 The answer is yes.
00:13:17.620 Okay.
00:13:18.440 If what I'm saying is true.
00:13:20.660 I may not be the top of the list of targets.
00:13:22.620 But I'm there.
00:13:23.220 What am I doing to prepare for what I've been saying is happening?
00:13:28.220 Now we have security and all that.
00:13:29.500 But that's like standard.
00:13:30.480 You're famous.
00:13:31.280 You know what I mean?
00:13:31.720 You get security when this happens.
00:13:35.520 I don't have good answers.
00:13:37.420 And that's why the conversation we've been having is guys.
00:13:40.160 If we're taking this seriously.
00:13:41.200 And we're coming into a midterm year.
00:13:42.640 Which is.
00:13:44.660 It's going to get crazy.
00:13:46.740 I was talking to a friend recently about World War II.
00:13:48.460 And how people are constantly saying like.
00:13:52.380 Ah.
00:13:52.640 Things are getting better.
00:13:53.860 The conflict.
00:13:55.720 The street violence is kind of abating.
00:13:57.520 And then.
00:13:58.080 Boom.
00:13:58.840 Explodes.
00:14:01.420 What then?
00:14:02.880 We've got more.
00:14:04.880 From the New Yorker.
00:14:05.860 Our political violence problem.
00:14:09.200 From the Guardian.
00:14:12.040 Alarm.
00:14:13.200 As U.S. far right extremists.
00:14:15.220 I drones for Houston domestic attack.
00:14:17.600 For Houston domestic attack.
00:14:19.260 Experts say.
00:14:21.260 Extremists openly talking.
00:14:23.020 Of how home built drones.
00:14:24.740 Will be critical.
00:14:25.700 Will be critical tool.
00:14:27.780 In so called.
00:14:29.120 Second Civil War.
00:14:32.440 Man.
00:14:35.280 Taking their cues for modern warfare.
00:14:37.480 The far right American terrorist movement.
00:14:39.180 Sees off the shelf.
00:14:40.620 Or home built first person viewer.
00:14:42.500 FPV drones as a critical weapon.
00:14:44.820 In their own future war.
00:14:46.160 Against the U.S. government.
00:14:47.640 You see here's the important thing to understand.
00:14:49.880 The far right.
00:14:50.660 I thought the far right was in control of the U.S. government.
00:14:52.380 Why would they fight themselves?
00:14:53.960 You can't have it both ways.
00:14:55.760 They want to claim that wingnut lunatics.
00:14:57.980 Who live in the mountains.
00:14:58.760 And want to fight the government.
00:14:59.680 Are the same thing as Charlie Kirk was.
00:15:03.180 Well Charlie Kirk's guy is the president.
00:15:05.460 And Republicans control everything.
00:15:07.280 So I don't know why any of these people are going to fight themselves.
00:15:10.720 This story is from three months ago.
00:15:11.980 Here's from Gallup.
00:15:15.220 Just a few days ago.
00:15:16.800 Youth.
00:15:17.820 Loneliness.
00:15:18.960 And political violence in the United States.
00:15:21.700 While most Americans say it's never okay to use violence to achieve a political goal.
00:15:25.500 16% say it's sometimes okay.
00:15:27.720 Age is the strongest predictor of attitudes towards political violence.
00:15:31.360 With young adults aged 18 to 29 more likely than other age groups.
00:15:35.260 To say that it is sometimes okay to use violence to achieve a political goal.
00:15:40.100 This attitude is more prevalent among heavy social media users.
00:15:43.540 Than those who use social media less frequently.
00:15:46.120 Or not at all.
00:15:47.540 And among men.
00:15:48.460 More so than women.
00:15:50.180 Differences in views by political affiliation and educational attainment.
00:15:53.880 Are smaller.
00:15:54.800 And no differences are observed based on income or other socioeconomic factor.
00:16:00.040 Americans acceptability of political violence.
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00:16:52.100 It's by subgroup.
00:16:53.940 Sometimes okay.
00:16:55.660 18 to 29-year-olds, 30%.
00:16:58.980 30 to 44, 21.
00:17:02.080 45 to 59, 13.
00:17:05.120 60 and older, 4%.
00:17:06.940 Men, 19%.
00:17:09.300 Women, 11.
00:17:10.820 Those who are more likely to be educated, higher rates.
00:17:15.020 Post-graduates, 20%.
00:17:16.980 Interesting.
00:17:18.560 Four-year college, 17 and less than four years, 14.
00:17:23.220 Democrats are the most likely at 18%, followed by independents at 17 and Republicans at 12.
00:17:29.560 And those who use social media, five or more hours per day, 22%.
00:17:34.440 Three to four, 21%.
00:17:37.880 Those who don't really use it, 8%.
00:17:41.540 What do we find?
00:17:44.140 The internet is making people insane.
00:17:47.160 They are going crazy.
00:17:50.000 These results are from the inaugural administration of the Kettering Foundation Gout Democracy for All project.
00:17:55.500 A five-year project designed to measure Americans' views of democracy.
00:17:58.640 Data are based on a multimodal web and mail survey of over 20,000 U.S. adults conducted July 7th to August 25th.
00:18:07.320 Some attitudes toward democracy are associated with views on the use of political violence.
00:18:12.760 People who agree that democracy is the best form of government are less likely than those who disagree to say political violence is sometimes okay.
00:18:21.000 Perceptions of others' commitment to democracy also matter.
00:18:23.100 Americans who agree that most people in the U.S. are committed to having a strong democracy are less likely to say political violence is sometimes okay, compared with those who disagree with this statement.
00:18:34.440 Democracy is the best form of government.
00:18:36.140 22% disagree and strongly disagree.
00:18:39.260 Most people in the U.S. are committed to having a strong democracy regardless of their positions.
00:18:43.240 I hate this.
00:18:44.160 I hate these people.
00:18:46.100 Democracy.
00:18:48.220 They are not saying anything.
00:18:50.920 This country has never been a democracy.
00:18:52.620 It's got democratic processes.
00:18:55.160 So what are they really describing when they say democracy?
00:18:58.380 That we share power, perhaps?
00:19:00.700 I don't know what they even mean by that.
00:19:02.320 I don't know if the people answering this even understand what they're being asked.
00:19:07.900 Some measures of social isolation and belonging are so closely related to views on political violence, people who regularly feel lonely, feel they or someone in their household has been targeted or excluded in the past year due to a personal characteristic,
00:19:21.280 or do not strongly identify as an American, or do not strongly identify as an American, are more likely to say political violence is sometimes okay.
00:19:27.960 Feel lonely always, 26% think it's sometimes okay.
00:19:31.880 Feel targeted and excluded, 25% say yes.
00:19:35.060 Identify as an American, identify as an American, not at all strongly, 35%.
00:19:40.020 If you very strongly identify as American, you're less likely to think political violence is okay.
00:19:48.240 That's insane.
00:19:49.220 Gender differences in the attitude that political violence is sometimes okay are smaller among older Americans and virtually disappear among those aged 60.
00:20:02.580 The impact of social disconnection shows a similar trend.
00:20:04.860 For example, among adults aged 60 and older, who are often or always lonely compared with those who are never, rarely, or sometimes lonely, there is a very little difference in rates of saying that political violence is sometimes okay.
00:20:19.380 18 to 29-year-olds, high loneliness.
00:20:22.600 Wow.
00:20:23.440 Among men, it's massive.
00:20:25.300 Over 40%.
00:20:26.460 Seeing how different segments of U.S. society view violence as a way to achieve political goals in 2025 is revealing, but historical trends provide context for how such views have evolved over time.
00:20:40.260 Gallup asked similar questions on whether violence is justified to achieve societal or political change in December of 1970 and September of 95.
00:20:51.460 While response patterns can vary based on question wording, response scale, and data collection mode, these historical points offer suggestive evidence on continuity and change.
00:21:03.760 Despite significant differences in the political climate across the three times Gallup has asked variations of this question, the overall trend is stable, with around 15% of Americans agreeing that violence is sometimes justified to bring about change.
00:21:17.100 This continuity masks two notable shifts in subgroup trends.
00:21:19.980 First, younger Americans aged 18 to 29 are more likely today than in the past to view political violence as a legitimate tool to effective change.
00:21:28.100 Second, a gender gap in attitudes towards political violence has emerged in which younger men aged 18 to 44 are now more likely to say violence is justified to achieve societal or political change, whereas older men and women of all ages hold roughly similar views as they did in the past.
00:21:46.020 I have Pew Research.
00:21:47.260 Americans say politically motivated violence is increasing, and they see many reasons why.
00:21:54.580 85% say increasing, 12% say the same, and 3% say decreasing, because that's 3%.
00:21:59.440 They live under a rock.
00:22:01.540 So what is the reason?
00:22:03.820 Large majorities of both Republicans and Democrats say left-wing and right-wing extremism, as well as extremism from those without clear political views, are at least a minor problem for the country.
00:22:12.960 Americans are equally likely to see extremism from each end of the political spectrum as a major problem, but partisans see bigger problems on the other side.
00:22:21.500 If you are on the left, if you are on the left, Republicans and lean Republicans see a major left-wing violence problem, Democrats see a major right-wing violence problem, objectively, the problem's on the left.
00:22:35.620 It just is.
00:22:37.160 And the left is in a bubble, and they don't see these worlds.
00:22:39.960 They don't see this stuff.
00:22:40.660 Americans see rhetoric from the other side, polarization, lack of understanding among the main reasons for politically motivated violence in the United States.
00:22:51.180 Sort of.
00:22:52.380 You know, I do agree with that.
00:22:54.440 What I would say is, I think the danger is the grifting.
00:23:01.840 The people who don't care if what they're saying is true and just say insane things.
00:23:08.120 I take issues with a lot of the Pizzagate stuff.
00:23:11.800 I've complained about them incessantly back in the day.
00:23:15.340 A guy shows up to a pizza place and shoots the ground.
00:23:19.740 He thought there was a basement.
00:23:20.900 There wasn't.
00:23:22.760 Because the internet is full of lies.
00:23:25.320 And people of weak will believe the lies.
00:23:28.480 And what can you do?
00:23:30.760 It's easy to manipulate people.
00:23:32.380 It's hard to tell them the truth.
00:23:34.420 If you tell someone coldly and plainly the truth, they'll reject it.
00:23:38.120 If you lie to them.
00:23:39.600 There's an old story that I've heard.
00:23:41.320 It's gone around quite a bit.
00:23:42.960 And it's that.
00:23:44.180 I think it's supposed to be like a racist trope.
00:23:46.540 So it might be.
00:23:47.780 But the story is that a wise man is traveling when he comes across a field where a bunch of people are surrounding a watermelon with spears.
00:23:55.780 And they're shaking and panicking.
00:23:57.460 And the wise man's confused.
00:23:58.840 Why are they freaked out about this watermelon?
00:24:00.400 And he says, what's going on?
00:24:02.580 And they say, look, a monster.
00:24:04.600 A monster?
00:24:05.720 Are you nuts?
00:24:06.220 It's a watermelon.
00:24:07.360 So he walks up.
00:24:08.420 And he picks it up.
00:24:09.360 And they all run screaming.
00:24:10.980 He's in league with the monster.
00:24:13.940 Later, another wise man is traveling.
00:24:16.960 And he comes upon these people surrounding a watermelon, pointing at it, screaming.
00:24:22.600 And he says to them, what's going on?
00:24:24.720 And they say, the monster.
00:24:25.920 Look.
00:24:26.660 And he says, you're right.
00:24:28.340 Quick.
00:24:29.000 Run with me.
00:24:29.820 And I will show you the way out of here.
00:24:31.860 They follow him.
00:24:33.340 A year later, they've cultivated watermelon.
00:24:34.960 They have great farms.
00:24:36.180 The point is, when you approach them as an outsider and do something scared, they freak out and they run.
00:24:41.700 When you approach them and deceive them to build a connection and a rapport, you can guide them in the right direction.
00:24:49.280 I believe that is immoral.
00:24:51.960 I believe it is antithetical to a better world that you believe you must use deception for what you want people to do.
00:24:59.820 But I do get it.
00:25:01.420 All is fair in love and war, they say.
00:25:03.700 And so here we are.
00:25:05.360 I ask you guys to comment.
00:25:09.080 And this is a conversation I had with Milo on Friday.
00:25:11.680 If there is no other means, if you know that telling the truth isn't working and people are doing bad things, would you lie to them to correct their behavior?
00:25:18.640 My argument is, if you use deception because you are upset with the way they are living in this world, you create a world of deception.
00:25:28.340 And, you know, Milo Green said, well, that is the Catholic belief.
00:25:31.780 And I said, you must refrain from sin lest you create a world of sin.
00:25:36.440 Maybe that means I'm naive and we are doomed.
00:25:40.980 But I think the best thing you can do is, to the best of your ability, is just tell the truth.
00:25:45.140 And people must come to understand it.
00:25:48.480 I believe there's largely the liberal and democratic view that people are stupid, so you must control them.
00:25:55.300 But let's see how the reality is.
00:25:56.300 Evil has an easy go of things.
00:26:00.440 They'll kill you.
00:26:02.180 And then they'll claim you are the criminal.
00:26:06.240 Isn't that fascinating?
00:26:07.200 Naomi Seip said something on the show so succinctly that I said, wow.
00:26:12.620 She said, Charlie Kirk was murdered by a leftist and Candace Owens has turned turning point into perpetrator.
00:26:19.720 And I went, wow.
00:26:22.660 That's scary.
00:26:23.340 We should have been rallying around turning point.
00:26:28.980 Not that they're perfect or I like everything they do.
00:26:32.220 But we should have been rallying against the left and the violence as it's escalated.
00:26:36.020 And we did briefly.
00:26:37.600 But now, people online, they actually believe turning point, the literal victim, is the perpetrator.
00:26:46.960 Man, that's Darvoff.
00:26:48.680 I've ever heard one.
00:26:51.540 What did Candace say?
00:26:52.580 We don't care about your midterms.
00:26:55.280 Who's we?
00:26:56.680 But here's where we are.
00:26:59.540 Turning point is in trouble.
00:27:01.960 It's just true.
00:27:04.300 Charlie was the leader.
00:27:05.540 He built it.
00:27:06.580 He fundraised.
00:27:07.260 People believed in him.
00:27:08.700 Now, by all means, turning point may do just fine.
00:27:12.220 But really, just think about that.
00:27:13.680 A leftist killed Charlie Kirk.
00:27:17.880 And now, turning point is accused of being the perpetrator.
00:27:22.380 They're the victims.
00:27:24.140 It's so remarkable.
00:27:26.280 The manipulation.
00:27:27.140 And the violence.
00:27:30.340 That's where we are.
00:27:33.000 And I don't know.
00:27:35.200 What do we do?
00:27:37.760 Honest question.
00:27:39.560 What do we do?
00:27:40.200 Because right now, the right is fracturing.
00:27:44.960 The left and the right have been fractured and hyperpolarized.
00:27:47.400 But now, the right is even fracturing.
00:27:49.220 And there are people on the right who are starting to threaten us.
00:27:55.540 You know, they unsubscribe, unfollow.
00:27:57.600 I don't care.
00:27:58.100 If you can't handle the truth, get out of the kitchen, as it were.
00:28:03.540 I'm not here to play any kind of these silly, manipulative games.
00:28:07.080 I'm just going to tell you what's going on.
00:28:08.560 And I get things wrong.
00:28:09.520 I do.
00:28:10.560 But I try to make sure things are clear and easily understood.
00:28:12.840 And people know what's going on.
00:28:13.800 But that's not enough.
00:28:15.780 Manipulation's easy.
00:28:17.360 Let me explain.
00:28:19.760 There are people online.
00:28:20.880 They're saying, Tim, post the footage.
00:28:22.580 Prove it.
00:28:23.320 Prove that someone, you know, approached your house and opened fire.
00:28:28.100 Were I to do that, then people know where our cameras are.
00:28:35.720 They know what our property looks like.
00:28:38.500 They'll be able to get a lot of information.
00:28:41.900 So I'm not interested in having to prove to people who hate me.
00:28:46.460 That being said, so long as I'm not, you know, there's no leaks,
00:28:52.280 we are absolutely showing, you know, it's like if you see me in person,
00:28:57.100 I'll show you.
00:28:58.480 The issue is that it's an impossible position.
00:29:03.680 Expose how your security operates or you're a liar.
00:29:09.040 I'm not interested in any of this.
00:29:10.160 I'm really not.
00:29:11.400 I'm not here to lie, cheat, steal, or justify anything to anybody.
00:29:18.060 I'm telling you what's going on, what I think, and what I see,
00:29:20.000 and what's happening.
00:29:20.440 And this may mean, you know, the other thing, too, is the people saying that
00:29:24.860 it's for ratings.
00:29:27.800 Actually, I think the outcome of this is the end of everything.
00:29:32.280 We're working on solutions, as I mentioned in my earlier morning segment,
00:29:34.980 where we may have one.
00:29:38.060 I don't know that we, you know, the people here can handle the stress.
00:29:45.000 I just don't know if it's possible.
00:29:46.700 The stress has been cranked up to 11 for months now.
00:29:49.120 And then it's a question of do you really want to be in this space?
00:29:56.180 People on the right attacking me since Charlie's death, saying I'm a coward for
00:30:00.380 not going to his memorial because we were warned of a legitimate threat,
00:30:05.180 high cost of security.
00:30:06.220 And I say it's probably safer not to do it.
00:30:12.660 I don't care about ratings.
00:30:14.020 If I did, I'd have signed a deal with a major network.
00:30:17.620 It'd be Fox News' TimCast, or it'd be The Daily Wire, or it'd be The Blaze,
00:30:23.940 or any one of these companies.
00:30:25.180 If I wanted ratings, have a producer take everything over and tell me when and when
00:30:28.780 not to say things.
00:30:31.380 Show could be a lot bigger.
00:30:33.440 That's never been the main goal.
00:30:36.220 It's largely just, you know, I'm passionate about what's going on in the world,
00:30:39.920 but can we really make it through all of this?
00:30:43.400 The reality is that what's happening with Benny, Matt, and many others,
00:30:46.420 I've warned you guys, I said this months ago, people are going into hiding.
00:30:51.180 Now their shows still exist because they can go online and they can post a video.
00:30:54.540 They don't got to drive anywhere.
00:30:56.380 People are retreating, getting away from cities, isolating themselves.
00:31:01.240 Some producers have already gone into hiding.
00:31:03.040 There are rumors of prominent personalities.
00:31:07.000 I'm not going to drag anybody, but they're saying they're getting out.
00:31:10.400 And they're getting out now before it's too late because this year is going to get very crazy.
00:31:15.300 So I don't know.
00:31:17.460 I can tell you this.
00:31:18.520 As the violence escalated, the swattings at my own house, like, I would have preferred to have left this a long time ago.
00:31:28.140 And I've mentioned this before.
00:31:29.200 I can do the morning recording shows like this for you guys by myself from an undisclosed location and feel safe and be less stressed.
00:31:36.300 Sooner or later, the bubble bursts.
00:31:41.260 There are people saying, Tim, if you give up, the terrorists win.
00:31:43.300 And I said, well, if I die, the terrorists win.
00:31:48.240 I'm not going to advocate for anybody running full speed into a battlefield and just getting blown up by the enemy.
00:31:53.940 We have to figure out how we do this effectively.
00:31:55.260 And with these stories and what Benny's saying with this report and Laura and Matt and Katzer, guys, we don't win by sacrificing prominent pieces on the chessboard for no reason.
00:32:09.360 We have to move them properly.
00:32:11.760 So we'll see what this means.
00:32:14.040 I mentioned it early morning show.
00:32:17.720 The 19th may be the last episode of Tim Kest IRO.
00:32:20.200 So if we do any shows following this, probably we'll not be in the studio any longer.
00:32:31.180 There's a lot of things that I can't say.
00:32:33.640 What I will say is this.
00:32:36.220 You live in a city.
00:32:38.220 See what happens to Benny Johnson.
00:32:39.580 He's in Florida of all places.
00:32:41.660 What are you going to do?
00:32:42.840 Your property is not as big.
00:32:44.700 You've got neighbors and people show up and everyone's pissed off.
00:32:50.200 The police can respond very quickly.
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00:33:42.120 We're out in the middle of nowhere.
00:33:45.400 Harder to find, but people find us.
00:33:48.880 We have to have armed security.
00:33:50.620 It's expensive.
00:33:52.340 And police don't respond as quickly.
00:33:54.120 I'm not trying to disrespect them.
00:33:55.320 I'm just saying this is the reality.
00:33:57.020 Things like that to consider, there's a lot more that I can't say because it compromises our security.
00:34:01.780 The threat of a second civil war, I think, is legitimate.
00:34:05.720 And I think it's getting worse.
00:34:07.280 And this year, it's going to get a lot worse.
00:34:09.660 And I don't think my stress levels could be any higher.
00:34:13.600 Someone called me.
00:34:14.260 They asked me how I was doing.
00:34:14.980 I think it was Viva.
00:34:16.160 Viva Fry.
00:34:16.760 He was like, how are you doing, buddy?
00:34:17.680 And I said, you know, I sound like everything's okay.
00:34:22.560 You know what I mean?
00:34:25.160 And I have to.
00:34:26.840 I have to go eat with my family.
00:34:28.480 Like, we have to buy groceries.
00:34:29.680 We have to eat food.
00:34:30.420 We can order it.
00:34:30.960 We do things like that.
00:34:32.820 We have to live our lives.
00:34:35.200 We don't want to live in hiding.
00:34:37.180 We have security.
00:34:38.260 We have plans.
00:34:39.780 And so it's funny because anybody who sees me talk is going to be like, Tim looks fine.
00:34:45.600 And it feels like there's a vice in my chest squeezing my organs from the stress.
00:34:52.300 But what am I supposed to do?
00:34:53.540 Go in the corner and just start crying, shut down, never work again?
00:34:57.660 So people say that Erica Kirk isn't acting properly.
00:35:00.960 And I'm like, listen, I've got my issues of turning point.
00:35:04.620 We're not, like, we get along.
00:35:07.180 I'm not trying to make it seem like there's a beef or anything like that.
00:35:09.540 There is the issue.
00:35:10.380 We're not going.
00:35:11.220 It's disappointing.
00:35:12.520 It's the D plus of any kind of beef.
00:35:15.080 It's like, not really.
00:35:16.700 It's kind of annoying.
00:35:17.840 They invite me back.
00:35:18.520 But, you know, I'm not here to just shill for turning point.
00:35:21.440 I don't know.
00:35:23.080 But I'm just thinking, like, my stress levels are through the roof.
00:35:27.600 There's no solution to this other than just stopping and getting the F out.
00:35:32.460 Imagine what Erica's going through.
00:35:33.760 And people are saying she's not acting appropriately.
00:35:35.440 Should I be crying and freaking out right now?
00:35:37.320 Should I be shutting my show down on the spot?
00:35:39.460 Just getting, like, what am I supposed to do?
00:35:43.260 So, yeah, freaked out, stressed.
00:35:45.240 It's miserable.
00:35:47.080 Surprisingly, slept well.
00:35:49.080 Beam dream.
00:35:50.620 That's kind of crazy.
00:35:51.700 That's the best commercial ever.
00:35:54.140 Beam dream.
00:35:54.820 When your life is under threat, you still sleep well.
00:35:57.260 And then I wake up, I come here, and I do these shows, and it is, whew.
00:36:06.060 So, I don't know what comes next to my friends.
00:36:09.540 But I highlight all these stories to tell you we are not joking.
00:36:12.780 It is not a grift.
00:36:13.900 It is serious.
00:36:15.160 And it is scary.
00:36:16.720 So, I hope you're all paying attention.
00:36:19.140 I'm going to leave it there.
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00:36:28.260 And for those watching on Rumble Premium, we are working on solutions to see how we continue.
00:36:37.240 I think we have a good option, and I think there is a strong possibility we do.
00:36:40.860 So, we'll see.
00:36:42.020 Thank you so much for hanging out.
00:36:43.000 We'll see you all in the next segment.