The Culture War - Tim Pool - May 13, 2025


Media LYING About White Farmers Being MURDERED In South Africa, Democrats PROVE They're RACIST ft. Dr. Ernst Roets


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In this episode, we talk to political activist and constitutional law scholar Ernst Rieser about the situation in South Africa and the persecution of white Afrikaners in the United States. We discuss the challenges faced by white farmers and white settler-colonialists.

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00:00:00.140 We have the story from the AP, the Episcopal Church, as it will not help resettle white 1.00
00:00:05.720 South Africans granted refugee status in the U.S.
00:00:08.440 The left is arguing there is no persecution of white Afrikaners.
00:00:15.180 The New York Times says, why are they being granted refugee status?
00:00:19.320 And they mentioned how will they be resettled going over this issue in the AP?
00:00:24.340 They say what to know as Trump brings in a group of white South Africans as refugees.
00:00:28.760 One of these stories, here we go.
00:00:30.960 Sorry, it wasn't the New York Times, it was the AP.
00:00:33.040 South Africa says there's no persecution.
00:00:35.680 The South African government said the U.S. allegations that Afrikaners are being persecuted
00:00:39.400 are completely false, the result of misinformation and an inaccurate view of its country.
00:00:45.000 It cited the fact that Afrikaners are among the richest and most successful people in the country
00:00:48.560 and said they are amongst the most economically privileged.
00:00:52.600 Afrikaners are the descendants of mainly Dutch and French colonial settlers
00:00:55.400 who first came to South Africa in the 17th century.
00:00:59.320 So they're saying it's not actually happening.
00:01:01.540 But the issue that I see, my friends, is that you can certainly point to the fact that indeed
00:01:06.860 many of the wealthiest people in the country are white and have been white.
00:01:11.260 There are many poorer people who have no means to travel,
00:01:14.740 no means to leave, and no means to defend themselves from violent crimes.
00:01:17.540 So we are going to pull in a political activist and an individual with a first-hand experience, Ernst Roots.
00:01:25.060 Let me see if I can get this pulled up for you guys right here as we enter into this video.
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00:01:51.400 And, sir, can you hear me?
00:01:53.460 Yes, I can hear you.
00:01:57.240 Welcome.
00:01:57.840 Do you want to introduce yourself for those that are not familiar with you and your work?
00:02:01.580 Oh, well, thank you very much.
00:02:03.060 Thank you for having me on the show.
00:02:05.140 So I'm Ernst Roots.
00:02:06.660 I am the executive director of a newly established institution in South Africa called the Pioneer Initiative.
00:02:16.040 And the Pioneer Initiative is an institution that seeks to or that pushes for political reform in South Africa
00:02:24.180 to work towards a more decentralized political system to get the government closer to the people
00:02:29.700 and to give the various or the variety of communities that live in South Africa
00:02:33.580 a much higher degree of self-governance over their own affairs.
00:02:38.260 So other than that, I'm an author, I'm a documentary filmmaker, and I'm a scholar in constitutional law.
00:02:44.700 So I assume you are there in South Africa now?
00:02:48.560 Yes.
00:02:49.040 I'm speaking to you from Pretoria, the capital city in South Africa.
00:02:52.500 Oh, right on, right on.
00:02:53.440 I guess my first question before we go into all the hard details,
00:02:55.720 are there concerns that you have about speaking politically on these issues,
00:02:59.940 particularly related to the persecution of white farmers and things like that?
00:03:05.440 I mean, could you get in trouble for this stuff?
00:03:07.840 Well, I want to say no, according to the legal system and the fact that we have freedom of speech in South Africa.
00:03:15.480 But to a certain extent, the answer is yes, we are concerned about speaking about this
00:03:20.220 because the South African government and people within political parties,
00:03:26.660 major political parties, including within the ruling party in South Africa,
00:03:29.980 those in power, have recently started to declare that people who speak out against what is happening in South Africa
00:03:38.800 are committing high treason and should be prosecuted for high treason.
00:03:43.800 So several complaints of high treason has already been filed.
00:03:50.520 Although the names of the people who are being investigated for high treason,
00:03:56.260 as far as I know, hasn't been disclosed.
00:03:58.600 I believe that it is four of my colleagues from another institution who recently went to America
00:04:05.600 to talk about problems in South Africa.
00:04:08.220 So there are these threats of prosecuting people for committing high treason,
00:04:12.380 for doing, for example, what I'm doing with you right now,
00:04:15.660 talking about the crisis in South Africa.
00:04:17.660 This is what I was concerned about in having this conversation because, you know,
00:04:21.500 I'm nowhere close to any kind of expert on South Africa,
00:04:25.940 but I've probably read a bit more than the average person.
00:04:29.060 As I had met someone from South Africa some, you know, 25 years ago,
00:04:32.980 got me interested in what had been happening to your country since the end of apartheid.
00:04:36.880 And obviously with apartheid, too.
00:04:38.800 My first question, then, just to get into the thick of things,
00:04:41.100 you know, the United States is bringing in some refugees.
00:04:44.040 Is there a persecution or discrimination against white people in South Africa?
00:04:50.700 It's undoubtedly the case.
00:04:52.840 And it's really alarming the extent to which minorities in South Africa, 1.00
00:04:58.980 but especially white people, and you could add, especially the Afrikaner people,
00:05:02.540 the Afrikaans speaking, broadly speaking, the Afrikaans speaking white community,
00:05:06.940 or the Boers, as we are also known, are being persecuted.
00:05:10.140 And when we say persecuted, we mean that this is happening on a variety of levels.
00:05:15.800 The one and the most obvious is through legislation.
00:05:18.960 So South Africa, as we speak, is as far as we could determine the country in world history
00:05:25.760 with the most discriminatory race laws.
00:05:29.440 There are more than 140 race laws currently in place in South Africa
00:05:33.680 that seek to discriminate against especially white people.
00:05:38.160 But that's just one way of looking at the extent to which there is persecution.
00:05:42.240 Other than the laws that we have in place currently and the racially discriminatory laws,
00:05:46.700 there is a very aggressive push by the ruling party in South Africa
00:05:50.840 to erode the property rights clause in the South African constitution
00:05:56.200 to empower the state to confiscate private property without compensation.
00:06:02.040 They call this EWC, expropriation without compensation.
00:06:06.460 And they have made it very clear that they want to take property that belongs to white people. 0.90
00:06:11.400 But that's just one way.
00:06:12.660 And then we have South Africa is a violent country in general,
00:06:15.080 and we have a variety of problems when it comes to violent crime.
00:06:18.900 One of these problems is a very particular and a very unique problem,
00:06:23.600 which is the targeting of farmers through what we call farm attacks or farm murders.
00:06:28.980 And it's not just farmers being attacked and killed,
00:06:31.060 but being tortured and in the most grotesque ways you can imagine.
00:06:36.020 But then on top of that, what we have is politicians, very influential politicians, 0.94
00:06:41.880 openly chanting chants such as kill the boer, kill the farmer, 0.98
00:06:46.260 talking about how minority communities have to be exterminated and so forth. 0.99
00:06:51.980 And then we have the president defending them.
00:06:54.120 We have the justice system defending them,
00:06:56.160 with the court, for example, recently ruling that there's nothing wrong with chanting 0.97
00:07:00.440 kill the boer, kill the farmer at a political rally.
00:07:04.040 And then we can go further than that when we talk about persecution. 0.99
00:07:06.560 We can give examples of, for example, the former president publicly saying that everything that
00:07:13.220 is wrong with South Africa and that is wrong in South Africa should be blamed on white people, 0.97
00:07:18.220 publicly saying that a democracy works like this.
00:07:21.180 If you are part of the minority, you should have fewer rights than the majority. 0.96
00:07:25.960 The current president going on to an international platform in New York City,
00:07:30.580 saying that there are no farm killings in South Africa, there's no land grabs,
00:07:34.080 and so forth. They're just blatantly lying. And then publicly talking about how property has to
00:07:39.000 be confiscated from white people and given, as he says, to our people. So we have the president 0.95
00:07:45.200 of the country using the term our people to refer to a very particular section of society. And these
00:07:50.880 are just a few examples, if we can elaborate on the extent to which minorities are being targeted.
00:07:55.980 Well, I've read a lot of stories about these farm killings.
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00:08:42.660 The press in the United States, particularly right now, the Associated Press, when they ran a story
00:08:47.480 saying what you need to know about these refugees, they said South Africa says there currently isn't
00:08:52.720 a persecution of white people. And many of these outlets are saying that the farm killings are
00:08:59.920 unrelated to land expropriation. So have there been any instances where white farmers were killed
00:09:06.880 specifically because of their land? Or how does that work? What's going on there?
00:09:13.140 So firstly, the farm killings, the problem with that is it happens so often, these attacks and
00:09:20.540 the killing. So one way to measure it is if you, I actually wrote a book about this. It's called
00:09:26.300 Kill the Boer. It's available on Amazon with more than a thousand source references. So it took me
00:09:31.520 three years to really study this phenomenon. And one way to look at the numbers is to look at police,
00:09:37.920 official police statistics. And over a period of two decades, that's about 20 years,
00:09:43.100 according to the police data in South Africa, there were on average two farm attacks every day in South
00:09:50.220 Africa, during which two people were murdered every week. And so that's, that's, that's the extent of
00:09:56.440 the crisis. And now the thing is, as I said, it happens so often, that surely there would be cases that
00:10:03.520 would be what some people describe as robbery gone wrong, someone goes into steal a television, and then
00:10:08.600 they get caught by the farmers, they thought maybe the house was empty, there's a, there's an outburst,
00:10:14.360 there's some form of a scuffle, and someone gets killed. And then the, these commentators are always
00:10:19.820 very eager to point to such cases and say, well, this was robbery gone wrong. So there's no evidence
00:10:25.920 of political motivation, when the fact is that there are many cases when there are, in fact, evidence of
00:10:32.440 political motivation. During these attacks, we see this, for example, with farm attacks, where the
00:10:38.280 attackers chant political slogans, while attacking their victims, while torturing them, in some cases,
00:10:45.620 we've had the worst case, was an elderly couple, and not an elderly woman and her daughter, who was 0.99
00:10:52.960 also an elderly lady. Both of them were, were severely tortured on a farm. And the attackers took the blood
00:10:59.740 of the victims and wrote the slogan, kill the boer on the wall of the farmhouse with the blood of the 0.77
00:11:06.220 victims. And so we have people literally writing kill the boer with the blood of the victims. And then we 0.93
00:11:12.820 have politicians chanting kill the boer at political rallies. And then we have the constitutional court in 0.55
00:11:18.680 South Africa saying, well, they don't see anything wrong with chanting kill the boer. So it's very, very
00:11:24.220 alarming. We have attackers using the names of politicians during these attacks, saying, like,
00:11:29.820 Julius Malema is the one guy who keeps chanting kill the boer, one of the many, at political rallies.
00:11:35.980 And so we have had cases of the attackers chanting things like viva Malema, die white man as they attack 0.63
00:11:41.880 farmers. And so for us, for someone like me, within the Afrikaner community, having grown up in an
00:11:49.040 agricultural community, knowing many farmers, knowing people who have been murdered, knowing people who have
00:11:54.220 attacked and who survive, to read these kind of reports that are published in places like America
00:11:59.500 by the media, but also in South Africa, trying to pretend that this is a non-issue, people should
00:12:05.300 not be focusing on this. It's really bizarre. And we live in the era of, you know, offensive Olympics.
00:12:11.140 Everyone tries to be the most offended by, just imagine how offensive this is. If a member of your
00:12:17.100 family, your father or your child or your mother or someone who's close to you was murdered during one of
00:12:22.000 these attacks. And then you read in the New York Times, for example, that this is a non-issue.
00:12:27.440 There's no political issue here. People should not be talking about this. What could be more offensive
00:12:32.320 than that? And so I'm very grateful for the rise of alternative media and podcasts such as yourself
00:12:38.080 that are shedding light on this very serious crisis.
00:12:42.880 Have you considered seeking refugee status or fleeing the country?
00:12:46.660 No. And this is a very important point that we have a very rich history, the Afrikaner people in
00:12:54.260 this country. We arrived, the settlement, the first settlement that eventually led to the, what you could
00:13:00.660 say, origins of the Afrikaner people was in 1652. My great, great, great, great grandfather, the first
00:13:08.420 roots of whom I descend, who came to South Africa, lived about the same age as George Washington. He was older than
00:13:15.940 George Washington. I believe he was about a teenager when George Washington was born.
00:13:21.780 And so we've been in this country. You could say my personal family has been in this country since
00:13:26.820 the founding of America. And we have a very rich history. We've had many existential crises because
00:13:32.820 we're a small nation and small nations often face existential crises. And we face one now. And there are
00:13:39.140 people who want to leave the country. And we believe if it's possible for them to go, it's good if they have the
00:13:44.340 opportunity to go. But we need to find a solution for the communities in South Africa who have been here for
00:13:50.100 hundreds of years and who want a sustainable future here in the southern tip of the African continent.
00:13:56.340 I'm going to assume on this next question that I'm not nearly informed enough to have this opinion,
00:14:02.980 just to be honest. But from what I've read and from what I know, again, being limited,
00:14:10.420 it seems like crime began to skyrocket in South Africa after the end of apartheid. And not just crime,
00:14:17.060 but very serious crimes like infant rape and things like that. And so, you know, my view of things is
00:14:23.460 you had a problem, obviously, with apartheid. But the end of apartheid has resulted in just
00:14:29.780 different kinds of problems with, now you're mentioning, is already race, you know, many,
00:14:34.580 many different race-based laws in the books targeting different groups, targeting white
00:14:39.540 people predominantly. It seems like the way that apartheid ended was probably the wrong way to go 0.96
00:14:45.540 about it, though it wasn't a good system. Maybe I'm wrong. But just to put it simply,
00:14:52.180 when I look at the history of the, you know, South Africa as a leading industrialized nation,
00:14:57.300 and then you start to read about the explosion of crime after the end of apartheid, it seems like
00:15:01.940 however it was dismantled just resulted in the problem being worse. You still have racial tensions,
00:15:07.140 racial animosity. It's not gone away. Yeah, I'm very happy that you frame it as such. So there was a 0.99
00:15:13.780 a press conference in the year 1990, just after the legislation such as the Suppression of Communism
00:15:22.500 Act and so forth, which was in some ways the backbone of the apartheid system, was rescinded.
00:15:27.460 And the ANC, of course, has always been a movement. The ANC is the ruling party in South Africa.
00:15:33.540 They've always been a movement committed to the promotion of communism and socialism.
00:15:37.620 And so as a result of this legislation being repealed, and the negotiations starting for a
00:15:45.380 new South Africa, as they called it, the new South Africa, the president of South Africa at the time,
00:15:50.020 F.W. de Klerk, was asked at a press conference, how will you know if you made the right decision?
00:15:55.140 And he responded with, we will see what happens with the violence. If the violence increases,
00:15:59.940 it would have been the wrong decision. If it decreases, it would have been the right decision.
00:16:04.420 Now, I wholeheartedly agree with you that the apartheid system should have ended. And even though
00:16:11.540 you would find a lot of people in South Africa referring to certain aspects of society having
00:16:16.100 been better under the previous system, such as service delivery, fewer crime levels and so forth,
00:16:22.340 almost everyone agrees that we should have gone past that, that that system didn't work,
00:16:26.420 and we needed to move beyond that. But it is the case. What is very interesting, the ANC,
00:16:32.580 the governing party in South Africa, has been committed to a violent revolution for some time,
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00:16:58.020 Paramilitary movements back in the 1980s and so forth, in an organization called Mkantui Sizwe,
00:17:03.940 which was the military wing of the ANC. And a little known fact is that this military movement,
00:17:10.580 the military wing of the ANC that had an explicit policy of targeting farmers in the 1980s and 70s,
00:17:17.700 they were, the legislation that declared them in a legal organization was repealed in 1990.
00:17:24.500 And they were then, they came back because they were in exile all over Africa. They came back to South 0.84
00:17:28.420 Africa in 1990. And that's when the farm murders started. You can trace it back to when did these
00:17:34.740 attacks start. And it was, it started in 1990. And so, yes, the system should have ended, the previous
00:17:41.460 system. But we have this bizarre false dichotomy in South Africa that you can either choose between
00:17:47.540 one of two options. You can either have apartheid, or you can have what we have in South Africa at the
00:17:52.900 moment, because people apparently don't have the political imagination to think of anything other
00:17:58.820 than these two. And the truth of the matter is, we should have had a more decentralized system
00:18:03.620 from the 1990s, but we didn't get that. And that's something that we need to pursue now.
00:18:08.660 Man, it is very interesting to see the difference between how colonization ended up in South Africa
00:18:16.260 versus, say, New Zealand, the United States. You know, my view largely right now is,
00:18:24.980 the system of segregation that you guys had, there was already racial tension and racial animosity.
00:18:30.740 It's not gone anywhere. But I view it largely as an emotional reaction. The system was bad. But having
00:18:40.260 a large population of individuals with a high crime rate, low education rates, immediately just,
00:18:47.300 you know, immediately ending apartheid resulted in now what we're seeing as higher crime rates.
00:18:52.580 It's just, it's persistent. So it wasn't, it doesn't appear to have been an actual solution to the
00:18:57.300 problem, which is now resulting in white Afrikaners applying for refugee status in the United States.
00:19:02.980 Now, one of the things we've heard on CNN, a former Obama-Harris staffer, she is a black woman, 0.99
00:19:11.140 and she said that these white Afrikaners should just go back to Germany or Holland.
00:19:16.900 And it's a bit ironic considering, you know, I think it's a dangerous logical position she'd be 0.66
00:19:22.340 taking considering many white nationalists in the United States would tell her as a black woman 0.53
00:19:26.820 to go back to Africa. What do you think about that argument that the Boers, you know, just decolonize,
00:19:33.700 go back home? Why can't they go to Germany or Holland? 1.00
00:19:37.540 Well, firstly, that just smacks of ethnic cleansing. This idea that the solution to this 0.99
00:19:43.860 territory is to get rid of a certain section of society, just get out of here. And so the term
00:19:50.260 genocide has been used a few times with regard to South Africa. I don't think that that's the appropriate
00:19:56.180 term to describe what is happening. And we should be cautious of using a very particular
00:20:02.100 legal terminology that could get you entangled in a legal debate about what is the application
00:20:08.020 of the definition and so forth. But I do think that we should, without necessarily saying that
00:20:14.020 what is happening in South Africa is ethnic cleansing, it certainly is a threat to ethnic cleansing.
00:20:21.060 And what I mean, and the difference, of course, genocide is just killing people and
00:20:24.340 getting just murdering them in large numbers. Ethnic cleansing is a bit broader. It's killing 0.91
00:20:29.620 people, but it's also targeting them through legislation. It's saying things like go back to
00:20:36.020 Europe, go back to Holland or go back to the Netherlands, even though we've been here for centuries.
00:20:42.100 We've been in Africa since before the Enlightenment. And now suddenly the solution is just to cleanse the 1.00
00:20:47.540 country of our existence or of our presence. It's a really, really dangerous thing to say.
00:20:55.540 And now if you consider things like calling on people to leave, pushing them out through racial
00:21:01.700 discriminatory laws, murdering them, chanting songs about murdering them, publicly saying that they
00:21:07.620 should have fewer rights, it becomes increasingly difficult to see how this is not ethnic cleansing. 1.00
00:21:12.820 And it should be called out and we should take a stance against this. And our friends abroad in
00:21:20.340 America and in Europe and in other countries should be much more outspoken against what is currently
00:21:24.820 happening in South Africa. There was a similar phenomenon in other African nations, which I'm
00:21:30.180 sure you're familiar with, where white farmers were chased out of the country. And it resulted in,
00:21:35.780 let's just say, a short supply of food and then a celebration upon their return. Do you think there,
00:21:40.980 is there a concern for South Africa that if these farmers keep getting killed and attacked this
00:21:45.540 way, food production could be at risk?
00:21:46.980 Oh, absolutely. So I grew up in the north of South Africa, in what is now called the Lompopo
00:21:52.740 province in an agricultural community, very close to Zimbabwe. And as a child, that's the reason
00:22:00.740 actually why I'm speaking with you right now. I became an activist because I grew up seeing the farm
00:22:06.500 attacks happening around me as a child and seeing on the news what's happening just a few hundred
00:22:12.180 kilometers away across the border in Zimbabwe. And just on my wall here, I have a framed $100 trillion
00:22:20.020 note. It's a Zimbabwean dollar from, I think, 2003. And I believe it still is the world record of highest inflation ever. Just how that country, and it's really a tragedy what happened in Zimbabwe or Rhodesia, as it was called before then. Just how that country was completely destroyed
00:22:42.020 completely destroyed by land reform by the Zimbabwean government in a very aggressive way, targeting the property belonging to commercial farmers for racial reasons, chasing them out of the countries, doing the things that politicians in South Africa are threatening with at the moment.
00:23:00.580 And yes, we really do have some of the best farmers in the world. The commercial farmers in South Africa are extremely productive, are very good at farming. We export food. We're a significant foundation to the economy, even though the economy is very large and agriculture is a small part of the economy. A significant section of the South African economy is dependent on agriculture or linked to agriculture. And it's very sad and tragic and dangerous.
00:23:30.580 To see just the extent to see just the extent to which these commercial farmers are being targeted, are being villainized. Politicians chanting about murdering them when they are murdered, the president pretends that it's not happening and so forth. So yes, we are concerned about that. I do think we're a bit better equipped than the people of Zimbabwe were, in the sense that we have a much more well organized civil society in South Africa, which they didn't have in Zimbabwe.
00:23:58.580 And so I think we are, we have well organized communities who are armed, who are driving patrols in their own communities who can defend themselves.
00:24:05.580 Wow.
00:24:06.580 And I think, I'm not so convinced that a Zimbabwe type scenario would play out in South Africa, although that's possible. I am concerned that we will just have continued deterioration over time, up to the point where South Africa becomes a next Zimbabwe, but without having had the very significant crash that Zimbabwe had in the early 2000s. 0.55
00:24:27.580 I've heard that many people have big fences around their properties. They hire private security on call for the crime. And I've also heard that in some houses, people actually have gates guarding certain rooms in case someone breaks in. Is that true?
00:24:43.580 Yeah, that's absolutely the case. So where I live, I live in a, in a, what we call a security estate or a security complex. It's, it's very difficult to get in.
00:24:53.380 Um, and a lot of people aren't able to do that, uh, who, and, and so it's, it's...
00:24:59.380 It's common. Uh, it's, it's standard for houses to have big walls around them with electric fences on top of the walls. And then, uh, some form of a, you know, beams and alarm system in the garden, the front.
00:25:29.360 lawn. So that if you walk, uh, in the garden, there's an alarm that is triggered that immediately connects to an armed response. And then on top of that, having, uh, these, uh, uh, security gates at the front door.
00:25:43.360 And between rooms. So you often find you'll come to, especially in farms, like in every farm, you will say, you will see the security gates, for example, between the kitchen and the hallway that leads up to the, to the sleeping areas where people sleep.
00:25:57.160 And then they would, they would put on the electric fence at night. They would put on the alarm that activates when someone somehow passes the electric fence that is on top of a wall.
00:26:05.400 They would lock the front gate and then they would lock the gates inside the house. It's, it's, it's a very common thing to see in South Africa.
00:26:11.800 You know, I, I, I had met a couple that was from South Africa about, uh, seven years ago and they were in South Korea and they told me crime. 1.00
00:26:21.500 What, what they said was crime's really not that bad. People think it's really, really bad, but I've only been carjacked, I think five times.
00:26:31.100 And, you know, as, as someone who grew up in Chicago on the South side where crime is pretty bad, I was like, I've never been carjacked and I'm from like a really bad neighborhood.
00:26:39.280 I wonder if, you know, the South Africans, uh, have just largely adapted to the expectation of crime. It seems normal. 1.00
00:26:48.180 Yes, you're absolutely right. It, it has to a large extent become normalized. It's very, very difficult to find someone in South Africa that wasn't the victim of some form of violent crime, like being mugged, being, uh, carjacked or, or something like that.
00:27:06.360 Um, I personally, um, with my kids a few, two years ago, I was in, my entire family was in an armed robbery in a restaurant. We were, it was my son's birthday.
00:27:15.640 We went out to have ice cream. And as we were got up to pay, there was armed robbers starting to shoot people in the restaurant and, um, we had to duck, dive beyond, um, below the tables, um, next to a dead body.
00:27:29.580 Um, that, I mean, that's, and, and there are people who have had, um, much worse experiences and there are people who have not had that bad experience, um, in South Africa, but we have become,
00:27:41.080 um, it has become normalized. We do have, you could say islands of, of safety, like the security estates.
00:27:49.140 There are certain neighborhoods that are quite safe, very comparable to, to European cities. Um, I live in Pretoria, the capital city.
00:27:56.840 I mean, I drive around every day, but you do know that there are certain areas that you have to avoid. There are certain streets that you have to avoid, and you don't want to be driving around, around at night, especially in some areas where you would be almost guaranteed to be a victim of crime.
00:28:10.600 But broadly speaking, it's certainly a problem.
00:28:13.080 Well, my, my, my last question for you is, uh, what can people in the United States do? A different country.
00:28:18.720 Yeah. I'm happy that you asked that. So, uh, we, we, we have just started this new initiative. I mean, I've been involved in, in, in this for, for decades, but we're starting a new initiative now that we are calling the pioneer initiative.
00:28:31.200 It's sort of a preliminary organization that will take on a more final form in the coming days. Um, and I really want to encourage people watching this if they, if they support the idea that South Africa needs systemic reform to, to support the pioneer.
00:28:48.700 And so what we mean when we say systemic reform is the problems that we experience in South Africa today are not simply a result of the fact that the wrong person is the president of the country or the wrong party won the election.
00:29:02.380 It's because, and because of underlying systemic problems with the political system that is detached from reality.
00:29:08.580 So we need a political system that is more realistic, that is more in tune with reality.
00:29:13.480 And the reality in South Africa is that it's a very diverse country with a variety of communities that see things differently in many ways.
00:29:20.860 And it's not necessarily because one is right and one is wrong, but because of different cultures, different languages, traditions, and so forth.
00:29:27.380 And so what South Africa needs is a decentralized political system with higher levels of self-governance for the different communities living in South Africa,
00:29:35.200 as opposed to this very strong, uh, centralized socialist government.
00:29:39.840 And that's what we, what we're going to promote, what we are promoting with the pioneer initiative.
00:29:43.760 And, and if people want to support that, we would, we would really welcome that.
00:29:47.620 Right on. Ernst, where can people find you?
00:29:49.880 So we're on social media, all the big platforms are under my name, Ernst Rutz.
00:29:53.960 Um, um, um, but then also the pioneer initiative is easy to find.
00:29:58.400 I'm sure if people just Google pioneer initiative, they'll find it.
00:30:01.780 But other than that, if they want to go to the URL directly, it's pioneer initiative.org.za.
00:30:08.020 ZA is the abbreviation for, for South Africa.
00:30:11.120 Right on. Well, thank you so much for the insight.
00:30:12.560 Thanks for hanging out and, uh, letting us know what was going on.
00:30:14.860 Thank you very much. Also for speaking about this. I appreciate it.
00:30:17.600 Yeah, absolutely. Take care. Thank you.
00:30:19.780 Thank you.
00:30:20.240 Absolutely amazing and insightful and terrifying.
00:30:27.400 I was unaware of the high treason cases.
00:30:32.440 I said, I think he said there was four.
00:30:33.720 So I'm definitely gonna be looking into that.
00:30:35.280 I'll see if you guys have any, uh, quick rumble rants we can get in before we can, uh,
00:30:40.440 just send y'all off to our friend Russell Brand,
00:30:43.980 who is currently getting ready to, excuse me, to go live.
00:30:50.240 And, uh, we got this.
00:30:52.200 KJ Doerr says, Tim, can we all, can we, uh, we can argue all of this all day with the left.
00:30:57.580 The real thing I worry about is what is the long-term solution on de-radicalizing people
00:31:01.620 who can no longer tell their butt from their elbow?
00:31:05.280 I don't know, man.
00:31:07.240 You know, I was thinking about what's going on in South Africa.
00:31:09.620 Yeah. And, uh, you know, as, as, uh, Ernst is speaking, I don't care which group of people
00:31:15.720 is being targeted and killed based on their race.
00:31:17.760 That's all bad.
00:31:19.480 If, if, you know, we're, we're, we're looking at what's going on, like Boko Haram, for instance, 0.91
00:31:23.600 we, we all generally find it bad that there's a group of people that is killing even black 1.00
00:31:29.380 children. It's not a race thing, but to the left, it is to the left. It is. And that makes 0.96
00:31:35.480 it a challenge for all of us. When we want a working solution for South Africa, they don't
00:31:41.940 care if they're black or white or whatever, but the problem is you have deep racial animosity.
00:31:46.000 It's not going anywhere. How do we solve for that? The media is going to claim that nothing
00:31:50.680 bad is happening to white people. White people are oppressors. They're going to claim that 1.00
00:31:53.900 white people have everything, despite the fact that most poor people in the United States 0.72
00:31:57.020 are white because to them, white is rich. A white homeless man has more power than Oprah 0.99
00:32:03.640 Winfrey. It makes no sense. Me, I just want people to be able to live their lives. Don't 0.78
00:32:08.240 commit crimes against other people. Do the right thing. Have a family. Enjoy some wings and
00:32:15.140 a nice slice of pizza. We'll watch in the game, be it an Asian person, a black, a Mexican,
00:32:19.260 Latino, whatever. I don't know how we solve for it, my friends, but I have long heard 0.79
00:32:24.680 about the stories of South Africa, so I hope for them the best, and it is sounding pretty
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