The Culture War - Tim Pool - September 02, 2025


MSNBC AGREES Trump Must Deploy National Guard To Chicago, Larry Elder Says Fix The Black Family

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On today's show, we have a special guest, Larry Elder. Larry grew up in Chicago and has lived in the city for the past 23 years. He talks about growing up in a gang-ridden neighborhood, how he dealt with it, and why he thinks Donald Trump should deploy the National Guard into Chicago.

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00:01:27.040 Joe Scarborough calls on J.B. Pritzker to seek Trump's help to stop Chicago crime.
00:01:36.880 Well, you've lost MSNBC, I guess.
00:01:41.880 But this is the rumor that's been circulating,
00:01:43.300 that Donald Trump will be deploying the National Guard into Chicago.
00:01:46.480 And as someone who spent 23 years...
00:01:51.140 I left formerly when I was 23.
00:01:53.480 That's when I really moved out.
00:01:55.220 I've been back periodically since.
00:01:56.700 Someone who spent 23 years of his life growing up in this city.
00:02:01.020 Literally in the city.
00:02:02.220 And oh boy, do these lefties really just lie to try and win brownie points.
00:02:07.420 I say, please, please Donald Trump fix my city.
00:02:10.600 You know what's funny is what these liberals have been doing.
00:02:12.600 They say, Tim Poole's not from Chicago.
00:02:15.340 He's from several hours outside of the city.
00:02:17.780 This is... 0.92
00:02:18.580 These people are evil. 0.97
00:02:20.780 It is absolutely wild. 0.97
00:02:22.540 Let me just tell you.
00:02:23.760 I grew up near Archer and Cicero.
00:02:25.800 It's the city's southwest side.
00:02:27.840 It's a really working class area.
00:02:29.580 A lot of firefighters and police because it's cheap.
00:02:32.540 And you have to live in the city if you're going to work for the city.
00:02:35.780 In this area, there is gang violence.
00:02:37.740 We had an area that was pretty bad, I will leave unnamed, where gangs, largely groups of
00:02:45.980 young black males were the gangs, although we had Latin kings and otherwise. 0.96
00:02:50.940 Vice lords, two-six, four-corner hustlers, the popes, the disciples, a lot of Catholic 0.97
00:02:57.740 gangs, I guess.
00:02:59.160 Anyway, yeah, a lot of violence.
00:03:01.820 I had friends who'd witnessed corpses being dragged to the street.
00:03:04.360 I, myself, had been shot at randomly for no reason.
00:03:08.400 Me and my brother were driving in our car and someone just fired at us.
00:03:11.260 The high school in my area, I went there for about two months.
00:03:14.640 A fight broke out and one of the guys brought a gun.
00:03:17.180 These are common occurrences.
00:03:18.820 That's Chicago.
00:03:20.160 And because I can say that and say, that's how I grew up and we shouldn't live this way,
00:03:25.940 what does the left do?
00:03:27.340 They start lying and spreading rumors saying, Tim actually isn't from the city, which is wild.
00:03:33.180 Because my friends from the city work here.
00:03:36.360 And, like, I go and hang out in my old neighborhood sometimes, like for the holidays.
00:03:40.880 But that's what they have to do.
00:03:42.640 That way, when they go to these political debates, they tell liberals, don't listen to
00:03:46.040 Tim Pool.
00:03:46.460 He didn't actually grow up in the city like we did, to try and discredit what I have to
00:03:50.540 say.
00:03:51.220 But I have a lot to say.
00:03:52.920 So, my friends, we're going to be joined by, I believe we got Larry Elder in wait.
00:03:57.820 Let's bring him in and have this conversation with him.
00:04:01.020 I also want to talk about the flag burning stuff and the potential rumors that Trump
00:04:05.900 will be dispatching the National Guard, not just to Chicago, but other places.
00:04:10.660 So, we'll boot this up.
00:04:13.700 Let's see.
00:04:14.920 Sounds like it's working.
00:04:18.160 Let's make sure it is.
00:04:20.520 And bring in Larry Elder.
00:04:21.940 I've been gone for a few weeks.
00:04:23.220 Larry, can you hear me?
00:04:24.780 Sure, you're fine.
00:04:26.100 Excellent.
00:04:26.600 Thanks for joining me.
00:04:28.520 Let me try and adjust the levels a little bit here and bring in.
00:04:32.480 How are you doing, man?
00:04:33.460 Good to hear from you.
00:04:34.460 I'm doing great.
00:04:35.260 Thank you for asking me.
00:04:36.100 I appreciate it.
00:04:36.980 Absolutely.
00:04:37.460 Absolutely.
00:04:38.100 I've been out for a few weeks.
00:04:39.140 There's a lot that I want to talk to you about.
00:04:40.300 But the big rumor right now, I don't think it's true, but there is something to talk
00:04:44.100 about.
00:04:44.440 Donald Trump will be deploying National Guard to Chicago, is the rumor.
00:04:48.980 And they say that he's going to make that announcement in an hour or so.
00:04:52.580 I don't think that's the case.
00:04:53.540 Carolyn Levitt said that it's related to the Department of Defense.
00:04:57.000 But in the past couple of weeks, there's been discussion about Donald Trump sending
00:05:00.900 National Guard troops to 19 different cities, Chicago being the most notable.
00:05:07.780 Curious your thoughts.
00:05:08.880 Is this fascism, authoritarian overreach?
00:05:12.860 It's called trying to do something about urban crime that nobody seems to care about.
00:05:17.560 I hope it's true.
00:05:18.540 I hope he deploys troops in places like Chicago.
00:05:20.940 And by the way, while Chicago has the honor of being the murder capital of the country in
00:05:30.340 terms of absolute number of murders, it is not even close in terms of per capita.
00:05:35.000 St.
00:05:35.240 Louis is worse.
00:05:36.340 Baltimore is worse.
00:05:37.800 Washington, D.C.
00:05:38.600 is worse.
00:05:39.520 And Birmingham is worse.
00:05:41.300 And let me just say something quickly, Tim, about Birmingham.
00:05:43.420 Right now, as we speak, there's a man named Damian McDaniel on trial for allegedly killing 18 people.
00:05:52.080 He happened to be Black, as are virtually every single one of his alleged victims.
00:05:57.400 Nobody, but nobody is talking about it.
00:05:59.640 He's on trial as we speak.
00:06:01.300 It's a big deal locally.
00:06:02.360 But nationwide, nobody cares. 0.82
00:06:04.580 And the answer is nobody gives a rip about Black on Black crime. 0.96
00:06:08.140 If this guy gets convicted, he will be the deadliest mass killer in the history of Birmingham. 0.92
00:06:14.400 He did it over a period of two years.
00:06:16.160 Nobody knows his name because the media could not give a rip.
00:06:19.620 Right now, Chicago, Labor Day weekend, over 50 people shot.
00:06:23.740 I think about seven people killed.
00:06:25.360 Nobody gives a rip.
00:06:27.040 Donald Trump cares. 0.99
00:06:28.420 But Donald Trump allegedly hates Black people. 0.99
00:06:30.460 I thought Black lives matter. 1.00
00:06:33.260 I guess Black lives only matter if they're taken by white cops. 0.98
00:06:36.420 They're taken by other Black people. 1.00
00:06:38.000 Nobody cares. 0.98
00:06:38.900 Yeah, we saw this Gallup poll a few years ago that stated in the Black communities,
00:06:44.660 these actual neighborhoods, they were, it was like 80% said, please give us more cops.
00:06:50.760 This was during the defund the police cycle or whatever you want to call it.
00:06:55.120 And I'm from Chicago.
00:06:56.600 I left for a variety of reasons, one of which largely is the crime and the corruption.
00:07:02.860 So when I hear that Trump wants under the National Guard, I can tell you right away,
00:07:05.900 like my friends, my family would be like, awesome.
00:07:08.360 Maybe we don't have to worry about all of these murders.
00:07:11.000 But you know what?
00:07:11.560 You know, it's fascinating.
00:07:12.120 You bring up no one, no one cares about Black on Black crime. 1.00
00:07:15.740 It's been a trope.
00:07:16.660 It's been a joke.
00:07:17.400 And sit, you know, family guy made fun of it.
00:07:19.480 I was doing some research on this, and I used everyone's favorite, ChatGPT, and asked it
00:07:25.840 because we had this other mass shooting at the Catholic school. 0.97
00:07:29.040 And it told me that white men are the biggest perpetrators of mass shootings. 0.93
00:07:34.280 And then I asked it about Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, and D.C. 0.92
00:07:38.640 And it's fascinating to see how Google, these AI platforms, they omit the Black on Black 1.00
00:07:49.160 mass shootings that happen all too often, that are the majority of your general mass
00:07:54.180 shooting, that is four or more individuals.
00:07:56.640 Right. 0.98
00:07:57.100 And then they blame white people for it.
00:07:58.800 I'm like, hold on. 0.57
00:07:59.340 How are we going to solve the problem of mass shootings that the liberals claim they want
00:08:03.060 to solve?
00:08:03.300 I think we want to solve, too.
00:08:04.300 When they ignore the majority of it and claim it doesn't happen at all.
00:08:09.640 Yeah.
00:08:10.100 You remember the D.C. sniper, those two people that were mowing down people a few years ago
00:08:14.060 in Washington, D.C.?
00:08:15.160 Turns out they had been stopped several times by the cops.
00:08:17.860 But some FBI profilers said that the likely perp will be a white male, so they were let
00:08:22.560 go.
00:08:23.300 The fact is that whites are around 60 percent of the population, but they commit roughly 1.00
00:08:27.600 50 percent of the mass shootings. 0.99
00:08:29.500 Blacks are about 14 percent of the population, but they commit about 17, 18 percent of the mass 0.99
00:08:34.180 shootings. 0.99
00:08:34.800 So in terms of population, whites are underrepresented when it comes to mass killings. 0.95
00:08:39.400 Blacks are overrepresented, by the way, as are Asians.
00:08:41.880 So it's just not true.
00:08:43.720 Fact is that 60 percent of the burglaries, the robberies and the shootings in America are 0.99
00:08:48.940 committed by black people, often against other black people, which brings us to the reason 0.99
00:08:52.980 why, Tim. 0.98
00:08:53.720 The reason why is the epidemic of fatherlessness.
00:08:56.640 Even Barack Obama once said, if you're raised without a father, you're five times more likely
00:09:00.240 to be poor and commit crime.
00:09:02.460 Nine times more likely to drop out of school.
00:09:04.180 And 20 times more likely to end up in jail.
00:09:06.200 Fact is, 70 percent of black kids today enter the world without a father in the home married
00:09:10.280 to the mother.
00:09:10.640 It is a massive, massive problem that neither Republicans nor Democrats are talking much
00:09:15.260 about.
00:09:16.440 Why is that?
00:09:17.720 I mean, I've heard a lot of the talking points, you know, the expansion of the welfare system
00:09:21.620 and things like that.
00:09:22.200 But I'm curious your thoughts on why it is that there's so many fatherless young people.
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00:10:24.700 Black men. 0.58
00:10:25.720 It's the welfare state. 0.93
00:10:27.240 You look back in 1965, 25% of blacks entered the world without a father in the home mirror
00:10:32.040 to the mother.
00:10:32.580 That number now has almost tripled.
00:10:34.500 If you look at the welfare state, the so-called war on poverty launched by Lyndon Johnson,
00:10:38.940 and look at the amount of money that's spent and the increase of fatherless homes, they
00:10:42.740 almost parallel each other.
00:10:44.040 What they've done is incentivize women to marry the government and incentivize men to abandon 0.99
00:10:48.380 their financial and moral responsibility.
00:10:50.540 The out-of-wedlock birth rate in the white community has also tripled since 1965.
00:10:54.600 So it's not just affecting blacks, it's affecting everybody.
00:10:57.340 And what we need to do is rethink the welfare state, but that's an unpleasant conversation.
00:11:02.200 The left doesn't want to do it because they created the problem, and Republicans often
00:11:05.780 don't want to do it because they fear that they'll be accused of racism or somehow demeaning
00:11:09.980 single women who are heroically raising these boys and girls by themselves.
00:11:14.420 You know, it's funny.
00:11:17.000 It's controversial, but Kanye West, the arc that he went on, there were a few points he
00:11:22.920 had made early on before he kind of went.
00:11:25.000 He's kind of gone off in a very bad direction.
00:11:26.760 I'll put it like that.
00:11:27.420 But here's the thing.
00:11:30.900 He made a few points early on.
00:11:35.100 One was he had tweeted something like, abolish the 13th Amendment, or we need to abolish it.
00:11:40.820 And the media lied about his intention.
00:11:44.260 His point was the 13th Amendment says in it, slavery is acceptable if someone's been duly 0.96
00:11:51.240 convicted of any crime.
00:11:52.960 And he was talking about the high rates of incarceration of black people in this country,
00:11:56.960 and the media lied about it.
00:11:58.640 But aside from that point, back to the crime and the issues here and fatherlessness, he
00:12:04.680 had made a point that these record labels were promoting gang culture and violent culture
00:12:11.220 to young black men through pop music, as well as degeneracy and sexual deviancy. 0.99
00:12:16.860 He had several years ago, maybe like 10 years ago, he was doing these Christian Sunday services 0.52
00:12:21.660 he called.
00:12:22.060 He was trying to get people to be more involved in religion and things like this.
00:12:26.580 Unfortunately for Ye and for people around him, he misunderstood why this was happening
00:12:32.760 and where it was going.
00:12:33.860 And he blamed the Jews for why there was this culture happening.
00:12:37.800 But I bring this up because there is an interesting point in there is a pop culture that targets
00:12:43.780 young black men and women with songs and rap about being violent, being in gangs, stealing, 0.70
00:12:51.320 and things like this.
00:12:52.980 Do you think that that culture plays a role in telling these young men who to be?
00:12:58.660 I really don't.
00:12:59.920 Most of this stuff, this gang stuff, this rap stuff, is purchased by and enjoyed by white 1.00
00:13:06.900 kids in the suburbs.
00:13:08.220 They're not committing the kind of crime that I'm talking about.
00:13:10.540 The breakdown in the family is what's going on.
00:13:13.460 A mother and a father shield you from this kind of nonsense, tells you what your values are. 1.00
00:13:17.560 So you're not going to be infected by somebody rapping something stupid like some of these 1.00
00:13:22.980 rap people do. 0.99
00:13:24.480 Look, even Tupac Shakur once said, I know for a fact, had I had a father, I would have been
00:13:29.960 more disciplined.
00:13:31.020 I would have been more confident.
00:13:32.820 Denzel Washington has also talked about this.
00:13:35.100 He talked about how he grew up in Mount Vernon.
00:13:37.240 And while his parents were divorced, he had a father who was actively involved in his life.
00:13:41.280 His friends did not.
00:13:42.400 And he has friends who are right now in prison.
00:13:43.920 So, you know, you're finding people really talking about the truth, but the media and
00:13:49.520 the Democrats do not want to because they want black people to be perceived as victims
00:13:53.280 in need of social justice.
00:13:55.080 And by the way, we wear the white hat in the fight for your social justice.
00:13:58.360 So go in there and pull that lever for us.
00:14:00.360 Vote for us.
00:14:00.820 That's why they do it.
00:14:01.700 That's an interesting point you make.
00:14:02.760 I didn't know that about young, young suburbanite white people buying this gang culture rap
00:14:08.400 music stuff.
00:14:09.000 Yeah.
00:14:09.160 Most of the rap music is purchased by white people. 0.60
00:14:11.480 But these these these rappers could not get wealthy if it weren't for white kids in the 0.99
00:14:15.120 suburbs buying all this stuff.
00:14:16.380 They're the ones that love this.
00:14:17.560 You know, you know why it's easy to believe.
00:14:20.000 So when Brandon Johnson got elected in Chicago, I was everyone was talking about how the socialist
00:14:26.900 mayor won.
00:14:27.680 And I looked at the electoral map of Chicago and unsurprisingly, it was all by race.
00:14:35.520 The white areas voted for the white guy. 0.90
00:14:37.320 The Latino areas voted for Latino guy and the black neighborhoods voted for the black guy. 0.57
00:14:41.480 But there were there were numerous candidates.
00:14:42.900 So I'll clarify, white areas voted for a white candidate, Latino for a Latino candidate,
00:14:47.140 black areas.
00:14:48.000 The top three candidates in the black neighborhoods were all black, even if they weren't the front
00:14:52.880 runners, which is interesting.
00:14:54.260 Now, Brandon Johnson wasn't the front runner among the black community in Chicago.
00:14:58.400 There was one neighborhood that got Brandon Johnson over the edge to win.
00:15:04.620 And that was the university, the Loyola University area where young white socialists voted for
00:15:12.160 Brandon Johnson, giving him the edge and getting him elected.
00:15:15.560 In fact, it is these white uppity suburbanites that voted for the socialist candidate who now,
00:15:21.280 I don't know if you saw the video, is saying they should fight back against Trump if he deploys
00:15:24.360 the National Guard.
00:15:25.540 Yeah.
00:15:26.360 Let me say something about that.
00:15:27.900 A state senator from Illinois named Barack Obama challenged an incumbent Democrat named
00:15:34.680 Bobby Rush, a former Black Panther for Congress, and Obama got his clock clean.
00:15:40.100 It turned out that urban blacks, poor blacks did not vote for him, voted for the other guy. 0.94
00:15:45.680 Jews voted for him. 0.95
00:15:46.920 Wealthy people voted for him.
00:15:48.440 So Obama went back and redesigned his state Senate district.
00:15:51.540 There's an article about this in ProPublica called Obama's Gerrymander, about how he redesigned
00:15:57.240 his district to make it less black, more affluent, more white, more Jewish, because that's where 1.00
00:16:02.320 his supporters were.
00:16:03.320 Hello.
00:16:04.660 Yeah.
00:16:05.520 Wow.
00:16:06.820 I mean, that's what we see.
00:16:08.580 It's the, what do they call it, affluent white female liberals leading the charge for 1.00
00:16:12.060 a lot of these leftist policies and socialist policies.
00:16:15.100 And that's what you end up with.
00:16:17.040 And that, Tim, is why Obama has done so well.
00:16:20.720 Obama, Trump has done so well with blacks, about 20% of black males voted for him this
00:16:25.460 time because they're seeing this.
00:16:27.460 The number one group most hurt by illegal immigration are black people with high school 0.82
00:16:32.760 or less living in the inner city because they have to compete against illegal aliens for 0.96
00:16:37.080 jobs.
00:16:37.640 And the presence of illegal alien labor puts downward pressure to the tune of almost $1,800
00:16:42.000 a year on the salaries.
00:16:43.920 This was before Joe Biden allowed in 10, 15, 20 million, however many it was over the last
00:16:49.600 four years. 0.62
00:16:50.100 So blacks are the most hurt by this. 0.98
00:16:52.320 Black people living in the inner city are getting a very poor education. 0.98
00:16:56.180 There are 13 government schools in Chicago where 0% of the kids can do math and can read 0.96
00:17:03.220 at grade level.
00:17:04.260 There are over 50 in Illinois altogether where 0% of the kids can do math or can read at
00:17:10.220 grade level.
00:17:11.180 So they're the ones that are most hurt by the failure to have school choice, which Democrats
00:17:14.980 do not want because the number one funder typically is the teachers union.
00:17:19.160 So the people that are most hurt by Democrat policies are the very black people that have 1.00
00:17:24.320 traditionally gone in there like lemmings and pull the lever for the Democrat party.
00:17:27.700 Do you think if we got rid of this welfare system, it would it would end this or is there some
00:17:33.820 kind of, you know, transition period where you'd need some kind of hybrid or system or
00:17:37.920 something?
00:17:38.040 Yeah, you can't just cut people off right away.
00:17:40.580 But look, at one time, things like this were handled by nonprofits, by churches, by people
00:17:47.600 donating.
00:17:48.120 Uh, and, uh, when government stepped in, people began donating less during the great
00:17:53.260 depression, uh, donations shot up substantially.
00:17:55.860 But then when FDR did his new deal, donations still went up, but not quite as sharply because
00:18:00.380 people felt that they gave it the office.
00:18:01.900 There, there's no reason to believe that if we didn't have a welfare state by government,
00:18:05.860 Americans would allow other Americans to die and suffer. 0.93
00:18:08.460 We wouldn't do that.
00:18:09.100 We're the most compassionate people on the face of the earth.
00:18:11.280 We give more money than any other nation.
00:18:12.780 So that's what we would do if we didn't have the welfare state, but by having no questions
00:18:16.420 ask welfare, what you're doing is simply making things worse.
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00:19:19.660 L.A. Times 10, where people on welfare were asked,
00:19:22.480 is welfare a stepping stone towards self-dependency or is it a crutch that makes you dependent?
00:19:27.220 More of them said crutch than they said a stepping stone towards independence.
00:19:30.780 So these are people on welfare telling you it's a trap.
00:19:33.620 Well, now I think, you know, what's going on with SNAP?
00:19:36.440 I think Trump, the Trump administration has enacted some kind of policy.
00:19:39.400 You've got to have community service.
00:19:40.600 A bunch of videos started popping up where you can't buy cookies and candies anymore.
00:19:45.860 And there's videos of women trying to buy snack cakes and their EBT and things are getting rejected.
00:19:50.540 So it looks like the Trump admin, you know, it's happening.
00:19:55.540 The culture is kind of waking up this.
00:19:57.460 But I do want to add, too.
00:19:59.140 Can we just say something about that?
00:20:00.720 1996, Bill Clinton changed welfare, as we know.
00:20:05.160 He ran in 1992, promising to do that, didn't do it.
00:20:08.460 But his advisors told him, if you don't do something, you're not going to get reelected in 1996.
00:20:12.400 So he, for the first time, put time limits on welfare and what were called children caps.
00:20:19.300 So if you had additional children, you didn't get additional money, which was the case in the past.
00:20:23.280 Welfare roles declined by 50 percent, a far steeper decline than anybody predicted.
00:20:28.440 And there wasn't a corresponding increase in abortion.
00:20:30.800 A bunch of able-bodied people and able-minded people got off the couch and went to work because they had to.
00:20:36.120 And little by little, we put those, we've loosened those restrictions.
00:20:39.560 And what Donald Trump is doing is trying to put them back.
00:20:41.660 So if you're on Medicaid and you're able-bodied, you don't have children, there's a certain amount of hours per week you have to work in order to continue getting benefits.
00:20:51.180 And this is a good thing.
00:20:52.440 You mentioned donations in the church and things like that as well.
00:20:55.260 Well, I think another huge component that extends beyond the black community to this country as a whole is the loss of religion.
00:21:04.460 And I say this as somebody—I'm not a Christian.
00:21:06.820 I do believe in God.
00:21:07.900 I always—I don't know what I am, but there's a word for it somewhere.
00:21:11.300 And people—you know, I'll have atheists question me and say, like, how would you defend that or whatever? 0.98
00:21:15.900 I say, listen, the issue that I'm bringing up is not about whether or not someone has faith in Jesus Christ, although I know that Christians believe that to be the most important thing, or one of the most important things.
00:21:25.400 I'm not going to speak for Christians. 1.00
00:21:26.940 The issue is community, that we would come together once a week and sit down with each other in the same space.
00:21:34.900 The church was the charitable arm to protect the community when it could, and we had trust and faith in each other as well.
00:21:42.020 But now nobody congregates and nobody meets, and so you have across the board in this country police officers that say, listen, I don't know you.
00:21:50.480 Just go to court.
00:21:51.500 You've got criminals who say, if I steal from you, nothing bad will happen to me because I don't know you.
00:21:57.260 And this is the problem we're experiencing where people are not concerned with wronging their neighbor because there will be no social repercussions.
00:22:04.520 You know, Tim, this has been studied.
00:22:06.660 There's a book called Who Really Cares?
00:22:08.220 It's written by a guy named Arthur Brooks.
00:22:09.660 Arthur Brooks was a professor of public policy at Syracuse.
00:22:13.840 He wasn't particularly conservative or liberal, but he found out that nobody ever did a study to find out whether or not conservatives were more generous with their time, with their money, versus liberals.
00:22:22.440 He assumed the answer was going to be liberals.
00:22:24.220 So he did a whole study, got the conclusions, got rid of all the people that did the conclusions because he didn't believe it, hired another people.
00:22:31.760 They came with the same conclusions.
00:22:32.780 It turns out conservatives were far more generous with their money and their time than liberals.
00:22:38.640 And it turned out for two reasons.
00:22:40.100 The first is that conservatives believe that help for people should be done people to people, not government to people.
00:22:46.620 But the second factor, the more important factor, is conservatives were more likely to be religious than liberals.
00:22:52.200 Religious people give way more money, way more time than do non-religious people. 0.99
00:22:56.640 Religious liberals gave the same amount of money as religious conservatives.
00:22:59.840 There were just far fewer of them.
00:23:01.860 So it turns out that if you're more religious, you're more compassionate, you're more caring, you give more time, you give more money to people.
00:23:07.960 For that reason alone, religion is positive.
00:23:10.380 I think it's fascinating to think—I want to approach this completely just objectively.
00:23:16.760 Would Chicago rather have gang, culture, or Christianity? 0.99
00:23:22.580 You know, the neighborhoods that I grew up on, I just tell you it's very simple.
00:23:26.000 I grew up in the southwest side of Chicago, and there were areas that—we had a street, 47th Street.
00:23:33.540 Just north of it, everyone was black.
00:23:35.200 South of it, it was largely, like, white working class with some Latino.
00:23:40.320 And that division, whether intentional or otherwise, created two separate communities where people distrusted each other.
00:23:47.740 There were a lot of gangs.
00:23:48.900 If someone came to me and said, this is a liberal Chicago, a lot of atheists, we want Christian missionaries to go into this, and so I'd say, oh, thank you.
00:23:58.640 Thank heavens.
00:23:59.440 I would much rather have Christian culture—and it's a no-brainer. 0.99
00:24:04.520 But it's fascinating because there are many, you know, atheist liberals who spend their days blaming religion for everything, blaming Christianity for everything, saying that Christianity is bad and that these values should be removed from government.
00:24:19.160 And I'm just wondering, have you ever been to a church—I mean, look, you might not like what they believe or whatever, but I'd much rather have a bunch of people singing songs, clapping, and being bigoted, whatever the liberals think about it.
00:24:32.160 Oh, they have bad views, then gangs shooting at each other.
00:24:35.820 Well, of course, Tim.
00:24:37.960 And, you know, a few years ago, as you know, I did a documentary called Uncle Tom, where I talked about how the black community continued to grow after slavery, even though there was Jim Crow, even though there was a KKK.
00:24:47.900 In 1940, 87 percent of blacks lived under the poverty level.
00:24:52.420 20 years later, 1960, that number had fallen to 47 percent, a 40-point drop in 20 years.
00:24:58.440 The greatest 20-year period of economic growth in the history of black America.
00:25:01.640 Why? Because it was rare for a black kid to be brought into the world without a father in the home married to the mother, a strong belief in entrepreneurship, a strong belief in American values, even if those values were not being applied fairly to black people, and more importantly, a strong belief in Judeo-Christian values.
00:25:16.740 Most black people went to church.
00:25:18.660 That is completely broken down, again, as a function of the breakdown of the nuclear intact family.
00:25:25.720 Less likely to be going to church.
00:25:27.520 Your mom and dad are less likely to take you.
00:25:29.440 And, therefore, the kids are less likely to be religious and less likely to learn the kinds of values that religion can put into your brain, make you behave responsibly.
00:25:36.300 Yeah, we had a show a few years ago with Seamus Coughlin—he's the Freedom Tunes guy, he's a devout Catholic—and we talked about the Ten Commandments as an objective path towards successful life.
00:25:50.360 Now, you know, I grew up Catholic briefly, and I believe, you know, being heavily influenced in Chicago by just general liberal atheism.
00:25:59.840 Had my atheist angsty teen years, I don't consider myself Christian today.
00:26:03.720 But I think if you look at the Ten Commandments objectively, it's a great path towards a functioning society and a good life.
00:26:11.260 Honor your parents.
00:26:12.720 Don't steal.
00:26:13.780 Don't kill.
00:26:15.040 These things, if they are taught to children and upheld by their elders and those who inspire and motivate, will bring you to a more successful culture than having no father, being told that all that matters is getting yours.
00:26:29.360 Right.
00:26:29.420 And that's what I saw when I grew up. The kids in my neighborhood who joined gangs were told, no one's going to help you, no one's there for you, and you've got to be hard.
00:26:38.200 So you've got to take what's yours or else.
00:26:40.140 And these gangs would go to these kids, and they'd say—they'd give them guns and say, go kill our enemies.
00:26:45.100 Don't worry, you'll only go to jail until you're 18.
00:26:47.860 That's the message they were being given instead of, honor your parents, do not steal, do not kill.
00:26:54.260 I would prefer that.
00:26:55.600 I would prefer these kids were told by a mentor, it's better to have faith and follow these.
00:27:00.740 Even if you don't believe, these tenants will give you a better life.
00:27:05.480 We're losing that, and it's fascinating that I've discussed with many people who, again, fans of mine, they're atheists.
00:27:14.940 They just—they have a visceral reaction against Christianity.
00:27:18.680 And I say, I'm not a Christian, but objectively, look at how much better things are with this worldview than the lack of.
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00:28:25.480 Absolutely. And not only that, they're happier.
00:28:29.460 People who are religious are happier than people who are not religious.
00:28:32.740 Just that people who are married are happier than people who are not married.
00:28:35.940 And there's a reason for this.
00:28:37.580 If you don't feel that you're a victim, if you feel that you're loved by a higher power, you're much more likely to be happy.
00:28:43.620 So for all these reasons, they're more generous, they're more charitable with their time, with their money.
00:28:47.760 They're happier. There are a lot of reasons to be religious beyond a belief in a higher being.
00:28:53.160 Sure. I think, too, it's purpose.
00:28:55.640 I think a lot of these young men have no purpose.
00:28:58.440 They have no sense of a mission.
00:29:01.460 And, you know, what I see, not with literally every religious person, and I don't just mean Christianity,
00:29:07.040 but I find that many individuals who follow a faith feel like they have some kind of divine task.
00:29:13.340 That something is expected of them from a higher power that they must fulfill,
00:29:18.940 and that it feels good to be on a mission.
00:29:22.820 A lot of the guys I knew growing up with, they're like, what's the point of anything?
00:29:27.220 Why am I even here? I don't even know or care.
00:29:29.400 And then the people I knew who were religious were like, I have a mandate from God.
00:29:33.560 I must be a good person. I must be a good leader. I must help my community.
00:29:38.340 You know, being part of something bigger, I feel like it inspires people to be better.
00:29:42.900 And we are losing that as a nation across the board.
00:29:45.480 I think that's resulting in a lot of the political turmoil.
00:29:49.300 It's resulting in this—society is becoming more and more trustless,
00:29:56.100 a low-trust society, they call it.
00:29:57.640 And whether or not—you know, actually, I'll put it this way.
00:30:01.580 While I do think the National Guard deployment would be a good thing,
00:30:04.320 it worries me that we're at the point where we need it.
00:30:08.000 And reversing the problems that led to this request of a National Guard
00:30:13.980 is not going to be related to a National Guard.
00:30:16.400 It's going to be a cultural change.
00:30:18.300 But we have this culture war going on where there's two distinct worldviews.
00:30:22.780 And one, I just—it's hard to say, but it looks objectively evil.
00:30:28.720 You know?
00:30:29.780 I think it is.
00:30:31.340 Yeah.
00:30:31.720 You know, there are all sorts of stories people have that illustrate what you just now said about religion.
00:30:37.720 I have a friend who works at an insurance company,
00:30:40.380 and her boss told her that when he was a kid, he was crying.
00:30:45.140 He was two or three years old, and his father was out of his life,
00:30:48.360 and his mother broke his jaw.
00:30:51.420 Social services found out about it, investigated it, and didn't take him away from her.
00:30:55.440 About a year or two later, he was crying.
00:30:57.460 His mother broke his arm.
00:30:58.760 This time, social services came and took him away from her.
00:31:01.640 And he was in a series of foster homes for a number of years, angry at the world, angry at life,
00:31:06.340 had no purpose, didn't care about school.
00:31:09.180 And then one time, a Catholic priest came to one of the foster homes that he was staying,
00:31:13.060 and he said, you know, God has a purpose for everybody.
00:31:15.760 Everybody has a mission.
00:31:17.060 Everybody has a talent.
00:31:18.000 Everybody has a strength.
00:31:19.020 And it was in one ear and out the other.
00:31:20.860 He walked up to the priest afterwards and said, told him what I told you.
00:31:24.120 He said, what's my purpose?
00:31:25.660 What's my strength?
00:31:26.440 What's my value?
00:31:28.060 And the pastor priest said, don't you see?
00:31:31.340 You survived it.
00:31:33.040 You're standing here in front of me.
00:31:34.800 You survived a mother who broke your jaw, a mother who broke your arm, a father out of your life,
00:31:39.840 and you're still standing here.
00:31:41.140 That is your strength.
00:31:42.540 And you must use that and show other people how to be strong.
00:31:45.760 And for whatever reason, Tim, it turned him around.
00:31:48.080 Fast forward, the guy is now a senior executive making seven figures at an insurance company.
00:31:52.000 And he not had that conversation.
00:31:53.760 Who knows how his life would have turned out?
00:31:55.140 Isn't it funny how the logic was there the whole time?
00:31:57.740 He had suffered tremendously and survived it and said,
00:32:00.360 what's my strength?
00:32:01.220 And it's like, you've proven it.
00:32:04.220 You have survived this.
00:32:04.640 Right there in front of you.
00:32:05.660 Open your eyes.
00:32:06.360 It's right there.
00:32:07.240 I love these stories, man.
00:32:08.860 And it breaks my heart to see the wasted potential of so much of humanity.
00:32:15.500 You know, Elon Musk talks about the population crisis.
00:32:19.320 We need more people, but many people haven't had kids.
00:32:22.340 I recently had a kid.
00:32:24.000 It's late.
00:32:24.420 And what's always—it gives me a sadness is to see there are tens of millions, hundreds
00:32:32.800 of millions of human beings of tremendous potential that struggle to reach it, if not
00:32:38.500 for just that single sentence that could tell them, like that story you told me.
00:32:43.220 You know, this is going to sound self-serving, but I was telling this to my pastor.
00:32:46.860 I'm 73 years old, and from time to time, I thought about retiring.
00:32:51.380 I have enough nuggets put away.
00:32:54.040 I could do that if I wanted to, but I can't.
00:32:56.200 And I'll tell you why.
00:32:57.260 I ran for governor in 2021.
00:32:59.960 I'm in an airport, and this black man walks up to me.
00:33:03.120 He's about 35, 40 years old, very well-dressed.
00:33:05.720 And he says, I cannot believe I'm meeting you.
00:33:08.080 You've changed my life.
00:33:09.480 I grew up without a father.
00:33:10.680 I was angry.
00:33:11.420 I was blaming everything on racism.
00:33:12.680 I started listening to your radio show, and I couldn't stand you at first, but little 0.98
00:33:15.880 by little, I realized you were telling me to get off my butt, play the card to the best 0.98
00:33:19.680 of my ability. 0.98
00:33:20.620 I'm now a senior executive at Merrill Lynch.
00:33:23.080 About a quarter of all the offices report to me, had it not been for you and for the
00:33:27.700 way you encouraged me, I don't think I would be here.
00:33:30.040 And he cried, hugged me, and we took pictures.
00:33:33.120 I mean, I get that all the time, Tim, all the time.
00:33:36.920 And I know I've made a difference.
00:33:38.660 And so that is my goal.
00:33:41.060 I'm very religious.
00:33:41.900 I have a pastor named Pastor Jack Hibbs, who I admire a great deal.
00:33:45.720 And I do feel I have a higher purpose.
00:33:47.340 And I think it gives me a spring in my step.
00:33:51.080 It's, you know, I liken it to lighting that spark, the fire within people.
00:33:56.080 There's, I feel similarly why, you know, I speak passion about what I believe.
00:34:01.080 There are so many people that just need that hand on the shoulder, and it lights them up,
00:34:06.380 and then they find their path.
00:34:08.100 Hopefully, if, you know, the National Guard comes in and can put a stop to this crime,
00:34:13.800 it can create a path where people will feel safe and these conversations can happen.
00:34:18.020 But we need a cultural shift if we're really going to solve these problems.
00:34:21.720 But, Larry, I appreciate you joining me.
00:34:25.480 Where can people find you?
00:34:26.300 At Larry Elder is my Twitter handle.
00:34:29.400 I'm on from 3 p.m. until 6 p.m. live, based in Los Angeles, a nationally syndicated radio show.
00:34:35.260 Just go to my website, LarryElder.com, and check out the show.
00:34:39.180 I've also written a bunch of books.
00:34:41.100 My last one is called As Goes California, My Mission to Rescue the Golden State to Save the Nation.
00:34:46.260 And I've done a couple of documentaries, including Uncle Tom 1 and Uncle Tom 2.
00:34:50.120 So I'm available.
00:34:51.880 I write a weekly column once a week.
00:34:53.340 I've written about 1,400 columns once a week since April of 1998.
00:34:57.200 So the man has been busy.
00:34:59.480 Right on.
00:35:00.060 You're a legend, man.
00:35:00.940 I really do appreciate you joining us, and we'll see you next time.
00:35:03.720 God bless.
00:35:04.160 Thank you.
00:35:04.660 Take care.
00:35:05.080 Have a good one.
00:35:06.020 You too.
00:35:07.820 Absolute legend, Larry Elder.
00:35:11.800 He hits the nail on the head with the hammer so much.
00:35:14.600 I'll say one quick thing as we move on, and we're going to be obviously sending you guys
00:35:18.040 on your way to the next show, which I believe we should have Russell Brand usually.
00:35:22.620 But, of course, I'm just back from a few weeks out.
00:35:25.840 So, you know, the only thing I want to say is there's—I'm—oh, yeah, Russell Brand is
00:35:31.280 gearing up.
00:35:31.600 We'll get you guys ready to go.
00:35:33.120 I'm not a religious person.
00:35:34.780 I don't follow a faith structure.
00:35:37.100 I don't follow Christianity or something like that.
00:35:38.980 And there are people who are—you know, they accuse people in this space of being
00:35:45.560 grifters.
00:35:46.460 There are some people who were liberal atheists who converted.
00:35:49.940 Russell Brand converted.
00:35:51.520 I think it's fantastic.
00:35:53.200 I approach it mathematically and logically.
00:35:55.900 And I'll say it again.
00:35:57.280 We are better off with a faith-based Christian nation than we are with a secular atheist one. 0.95
00:36:04.460 They want to pretend that the secular atheist society is flying spaceships and, you know,
00:36:11.660 the Jetsons or whatever.
00:36:13.080 There were memes when I was a teenager of what the world would be like without religion.
00:36:17.680 And it shows flying cars and all that stuff.
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00:37:44.800 We are learning right now what we actually end up with, and it is a low-trust society, violence and crime.
00:37:52.880 I'm not saying, in my view, that Christianity is the perfect solution. 0.95
00:37:56.300 I'm saying, where I grew up, I would much rather have the young men in my community singing choir songs in a church.
00:38:04.140 Maybe you find them to be bigoted, whatever.
00:38:06.080 However, I get along with those people, even when we disagree.
00:38:10.920 It's like, okay, they're not killing people.
00:38:12.940 I would prefer that over the low-trust gang and violence and, you know, crime that we ended up seeing.
00:38:21.140 So, by all means, tell me you think there could be something better.
00:38:23.960 I'm not going to say you're wrong.
00:38:25.160 I'm just saying, as we see religion on the decline, across the board, all religions,
00:38:29.640 we can see this low-trust fragmenting of society, which is worrying to me.
00:38:33.320 But I'm going to get you guys on your way to go hang out with our good friend, Russell Brand.
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00:38:40.280 I was sick for several weeks.
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