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00:01:27.860 El Grito has been cancelled in Chicago because ICE is being sent in.

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00:01:45.520 But that's not the principal issue we're here to discuss.

00:01:48.360 We're here to discuss the deployment of the National Guard in Chicago and other cities.

00:01:51.840 And whether it is fascistic takeover or the salvation of these people plagued by crime.

00:01:58.860 We've got a great panel here today.

00:02:01.140 Our resident liberals back in town.

00:02:03.840 Who are you?

00:02:04.360 What do you think?

00:02:04.520 Thank you.

00:02:04.980 I'm Pisco.

00:02:05.500 Pisco Liddy on Twitter.

00:02:06.380 I'm an attorney.

00:02:07.100 And I talk a lot about what the Trump administration is doing.

00:02:09.460 And I obviously take the position that these deployments,

00:02:12.660 especially of military officials in the National Guard,

00:02:14.680 are not just, in the most cases, is illegal,

00:02:17.620 but also against our history and tradition and the Constitution.

00:02:20.880 Right on.

00:02:21.220 And to tell him he's wrong.

00:02:22.960 My name's Joel Webin.

00:02:24.300 I pastor a church in Georgetown, Texas.

00:02:26.680 It's about 45 minutes north of Austin, Texas.

00:02:30.540 And then I do some streams, Right Response Ministries, on YouTube.

00:02:35.140 I was just assuming you were going to disagree with him,

00:02:36.920 because that's kind of the point of the show.

00:02:37.980 But, you know, who knows?

00:02:38.640 Who knows?

00:02:38.960 And then we brought in this guy from the UK.

00:02:41.760 Actually, we talked about it the other day with Connor.

00:02:44.680 That your perspective might be interesting,

00:02:46.280 considering you come from an outside country,

00:02:48.340 though you do have a more conservative bent.

00:02:50.680 Yeah, well, my country is currently in the grips of anarcho-tyranny.

00:02:53.720 And I actually, I might end up agreeing with you,

00:02:55.800 because I want to free the National Guard up

00:02:57.120 so they can come over and help us with our problem.

00:02:59.540 But yeah, Connor Tomlinson, host of Tomlinson Talks on YouTube,

00:03:02.280 writer for Courage Media, and general troublemaker,

00:03:04.920 and hopefully friend of the show, considering you keep having me.

00:03:07.560 So there's a, we'll just kick this one off.

00:03:10.240 And I will not be separated from this,

00:03:12.080 as I am from the south side of Chicago, city proper.

00:03:14.680 And grew up in ways that I don't think people should grow up.

00:03:18.220 But to be fair, I will stress this.

00:03:20.220 As bad as it was, the crime that we dealt with in Chicago,

00:03:24.920 the world has been worse for a very, very long time.

00:03:27.960 And things are still pretty good, relatively.

00:03:30.140 Not that anyone should tolerate gang violence.

00:03:33.680 But I will begin the debate,

00:03:36.480 specifically on the issue of Chicago.

00:03:37.800 And I will speak about how Chicago deals with crime

00:03:42.120 and Trump's plan for sending in the National Guard.

00:03:46.400 And then I will ask you to opine.

00:03:48.660 So there are two strategies being employed that have been,

00:03:53.020 I should say there's a principal strategy that's been employed throughout Chicago

00:03:55.500 for the past several decades,

00:03:57.440 particularly in my neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods.

00:03:59.620 That has been done by the Democrats and the liberals.

00:04:02.240 Donald Trump is offering up a new strategy,

00:04:04.180 which is to deploy the National Guard.

00:04:06.500 In the area I grew up, we had a place called the Leclerc Courts.

00:04:10.520 It was basically all black houses and neighborhoods.

00:04:14.000 And because of the violence,

00:04:15.760 specifically and literally from this black neighborhood,

00:04:19.340 coming into other areas, shootings,

00:04:23.500 you know, there's the gang initiations called Getting Veed.

00:04:25.920 And we had routinely in my neighborhood,

00:04:29.040 which was largely white working class, immigrant and Latino,

00:04:32.220 the people from the Leclerc Courts,

00:04:33.960 largely, largely, almost entirely black,

00:04:36.320 would come over and just rob you blind.

00:04:38.140 And the cops couldn't do anything about it.

00:04:40.140 And the cops said,

00:04:40.920 the problem is we get sued instantly on racial grounds

00:04:44.080 because we end up arresting a bunch of black people.

00:04:47.080 So the city liberals, the Democrats said,

00:04:49.600 we have a solution to the problem of crime.

00:04:51.600 They bulldozed all the black people's homes

00:04:53.840 and kicked them out and forced them into poverty

00:04:55.960 and worse circumstances.

00:04:57.480 That was the Democrat strategy.

00:04:58.980 I don't agree with that.

00:04:59.920 I think it's a bad strategy.

00:05:01.460 Donald Trump says, we'll deploy the National Guard.

00:05:04.300 They will not enforce laws.

00:05:06.580 They'll likely just be cleaning up trash.

00:05:08.700 But the strategy here is gangbangers are going to be scared

00:05:12.500 to open fire on crowds

00:05:14.480 when there's a bunch of National Guard standing around.

00:05:17.120 As a Chicago native and resident,

00:05:18.860 I believe it is preferable

00:05:20.920 to take the Donald Trump conservative approach of

00:05:23.820 deploy National Guard,

00:05:25.600 but not to enforce laws,

00:05:27.180 but as a presence,

00:05:28.460 as opposed to the Democrat strategy of

00:05:30.180 tear down the homes of black people

00:05:31.900 and kick them out and make them homeless.

00:05:33.620 What do you think?

00:05:34.100 Even if it's illegal?

00:05:35.480 Deploying the National Guard?

00:05:36.060 Would you support the deployment of the National Guard

00:05:38.100 in a city if it was illegal?

00:05:41.140 So we're talking about a specific incident

00:05:43.800 in Chicago right now,

00:05:44.820 the real world,

00:05:45.380 not a hypothetical,

00:05:46.720 is it on paper or not?

00:05:48.060 We're dealing with two scenarios.

00:05:49.440 First, I will stress,

00:05:52.340 Trump can't legally deploy the National Guard.

00:05:53.840 They just can't enforce the law.

00:05:55.340 In every circumstance,

00:05:56.140 do you think he has unbridled authority

00:05:57.500 to deploy the National Guard

00:05:58.820 whenever he wants?

00:05:59.860 Any National Guard?

00:06:00.820 Well, so in Chicago,

00:06:02.440 we're talking about an emergency scenario

00:06:03.800 that Trump could declare an emergency.

00:06:05.260 Then you can just answer the question.

00:06:06.580 Like if someone says, for example,

00:06:08.280 in every circumstance,

00:06:10.280 can he deploy the National Guard?

00:06:11.240 You can just say no,

00:06:11.920 in some circumstances, right?

00:06:13.520 Now let's talk about the real world.

00:06:15.060 Well, you didn't answer that, right?

00:06:16.200 Not in every circumstance.

00:06:17.420 There's no absolutes.

00:06:18.820 Right.

00:06:19.240 So you agree with me, don't you,

00:06:20.340 that there are congressionally imposed limits

00:06:22.600 on the president's use of the National Guard

00:06:24.320 that are found in Article 1 of the Constitution

00:06:26.440 that Congress...

00:06:27.260 I would say there are certain circumstances

00:06:28.480 where it would be argued

00:06:29.800 that Trump's deployment of the National Guard

00:06:31.060 is illegal.

00:06:31.580 That is a good thing and he should do it.

00:06:32.560 It would be argued.

00:06:33.480 I'm just asking an abstract, right?

00:06:34.800 Under the laws of the United States,

00:06:36.040 there are certain federalizations

00:06:37.640 under Title 10

00:06:38.360 which would be illegal.

00:06:39.460 So let me answer your question.

00:06:40.240 In some circumstances,

00:06:41.400 it is a good thing

00:06:41.960 that Trump would deploy the National Guard

00:06:43.320 illegally.

00:06:44.820 Okay.

00:06:45.460 I mean...

00:06:45.960 And so let's talk about the real world.

00:06:47.340 Okay.

00:06:47.600 The real world is Democrats literally...

00:06:50.100 Let me pull this up for you.

00:06:51.100 I'll show you my neighborhood.

00:06:52.200 The Democrats bulldozed black people's homes

00:06:54.280 and wiped out their community.

00:06:55.560 Is that what you want to happen?

00:06:57.020 No.

00:06:57.700 No.

00:06:57.820 Well, that's what happened.

00:06:59.140 But why is...

00:06:59.740 Okay.

00:06:59.980 So they do something bad

00:07:00.820 so we should deploy an illegal deployment?

00:07:03.620 Well, what's preferable?

00:07:06.500 The Democrats' strategy

00:07:07.560 to bulldoze their homes

00:07:08.540 and make them homeless

00:07:09.260 or Trump having 84 National Guards

00:07:11.960 standing periodically on street corners

00:07:13.160 I'll tell you why I would prefer...

00:07:14.180 It's a false dichotomy

00:07:15.500 but if you were going to force me

00:07:17.540 to choose between

00:07:18.220 bulldozing homes

00:07:19.300 and illegal deployments,

00:07:20.380 at a bare minimum, right?

00:07:21.800 Bulldozing homes would be some act

00:07:23.140 that I assume was passed off democratically.

00:07:25.220 But the...

00:07:25.980 Do you agree with that or not?

00:07:27.400 I just love the idea that it's like,

00:07:29.800 hey, we got a problem

00:07:30.580 with crime in the black community

00:07:31.500 so the Democrats of Chicago

00:07:32.620 destroyed all their houses.

00:07:33.880 I'm telling you it's a false dichotomy

00:07:35.160 but like...

00:07:35.680 That's what they did.

00:07:36.340 You understand that like

00:07:37.080 I don't know that you're representing

00:07:38.420 that what happened.

00:07:39.320 I'm taking your representation.

00:07:40.380 I'll show you.

00:07:40.780 I'll show you.

00:07:41.180 I'm good faith.

00:07:41.800 But assume that.

00:07:42.660 Like, why does that affect

00:07:43.720 whether or not we should support

00:07:45.580 an illegal deployment

00:07:46.420 of the National Guard?

00:07:47.220 It sounds like you're putting

00:07:48.140 a lot of emphasis

00:07:49.180 on the legality.

00:07:50.880 So to use the dichotomy

00:07:52.480 that Tim presented,

00:07:54.080 you know,

00:07:54.400 the idea of black people's homes

00:07:56.020 being bulldozed,

00:07:56.860 you mentioned,

00:07:58.060 you know,

00:07:58.260 well, at least that would come about

00:07:59.360 we would presume democratically.

00:08:01.360 Does that make it just to you?

00:08:03.540 Just because something

00:08:04.100 is brought about democratically

00:08:05.120 doesn't mean that it's just

00:08:06.020 but there are longer term interests

00:08:07.540 in the survival of the country

00:08:08.620 that are at stake

00:08:09.520 when you just, you know,

00:08:10.660 don't think about

00:08:11.360 the constitutional framework

00:08:12.360 in history of our country

00:08:13.420 which was particularly worried

00:08:14.780 with standing armies.

00:08:15.860 As libertarians,

00:08:16.980 you know,

00:08:17.120 you guys must be concerned.

00:08:18.380 I assume that you believe

00:08:19.400 in rights, right?

00:08:20.940 Yes, I believe that

00:08:21.900 there are natural rights.

00:08:23.020 What are some examples?

00:08:24.300 I'm just curious.

00:08:25.420 I wonder...

00:08:25.960 I'm familiar with you

00:08:26.560 but what's an example

00:08:27.780 of nationalizing,

00:08:29.740 federalizing the National Guard

00:08:31.220 in order to go into some situation?

00:08:33.380 So just real quick,

00:08:34.340 this is 48th West 44th Street.

00:08:37.600 This is a couple blocks

00:08:38.200 from where I grew up

00:08:39.040 and it's all just beautiful lush fields

00:08:41.440 surrounded by fences

00:08:42.220 that that's what it is.

00:08:44.360 I wonder if I can go back in time.

00:08:46.920 Oh yeah, look at this.

00:08:48.360 That's where black people used to live.

00:08:49.900 Look at all these houses.

00:08:51.180 They fucking destroyed

00:08:52.740 because instead of saying

00:08:54.540 we want to deal with the crime,

00:08:56.120 they went in,

00:08:56.980 evicted all the black people

00:08:58.160 and ripped their homes down.

00:09:00.460 It's psychotic.

00:09:01.240 I'm not sure about the particulars

00:09:01.880 of this, Tim,

00:09:02.640 but we're not here to discuss

00:09:03.700 was this smart or not.

00:09:06.280 I mean,

00:09:06.960 if this happened in your neighborhood,

00:09:08.460 I'm really sorry about that,

00:09:09.520 but we're not here

00:09:10.160 to discuss this, right?

00:09:11.000 Are we here to discuss

00:09:11.800 the bulldozing of homes?

00:09:13.280 Are we here to discuss

00:09:13.760 the National Guard?

00:09:16.020 We're here to discuss

00:09:16.940 what is the solution

00:09:17.780 to the problem of crime

00:09:18.860 and is it,

00:09:21.760 you can make the argument

00:09:23.260 that there's a pine,

00:09:24.360 actually, let me put it this way.

00:09:26.500 I, from this neighborhood,

00:09:28.600 growing up in Chicago,

00:09:30.140 who have lost friends

00:09:32.080 to the gang violence

00:09:33.000 and the crime

00:09:33.760 and the drug trade,

00:09:35.100 who have friends

00:09:36.400 who've witnessed corpses

00:09:37.240 being dragged down alleys,

00:09:38.740 who was personally shot at,

00:09:40.460 the hot dog stand,

00:09:41.860 the little shop

00:09:42.480 that was two blocks

00:09:43.240 from where I grew up

00:09:43.900 had bullet holes

00:09:44.600 and it's bulletproof windows

00:09:45.720 and I don't want to pretend

00:09:47.380 like that's the apocalypse

00:09:48.360 because I know

00:09:49.000 that life was bad

00:09:49.960 when we all lived

00:09:51.040 in the woods

00:09:51.500 and we're fighting each other

00:09:52.440 and war in Europe

00:09:53.440 or Asia,

00:09:54.040 whatever it may have been.

00:09:54.860 I get it.

00:09:55.860 Science technology has improved,

00:09:57.200 but children shouldn't

00:09:58.720 grow up in places like this.

00:10:00.240 Crime shouldn't be this way.

00:10:01.960 Now, my whole life,

00:10:02.780 I've been told by Democrats,

00:10:04.340 the solution is

00:10:05.080 not to arrest these people

00:10:06.360 and to let them go

00:10:06.900 and when the crime got so bad

00:10:08.700 and the people were so pissed off

00:10:10.280 that it wasn't tenable anymore,

00:10:12.720 what did they do?

00:10:13.740 They literally just destroyed

00:10:15.520 the black neighborhood.

00:10:16.660 The city decided to go in

00:10:18.020 and bulldoze everything

00:10:19.120 and rip it out of the ground

00:10:20.020 and evict all of these people.

00:10:21.600 I don't think

00:10:22.220 that's a solution either.

00:10:23.480 All that's going to do

00:10:24.140 is shuffle it under the rug

00:10:25.320 and make more crime.

00:10:26.380 So that strategy didn't work.

00:10:28.060 I'm not saying

00:10:28.540 these are the only plays.

00:10:29.840 Donald Trump's play is

00:10:30.880 the estimates are about

00:10:33.060 80 National Guard per city

00:10:34.640 and what they'll likely be doing

00:10:36.200 is picking up trash.

00:10:37.160 They do not have the authority

00:10:38.620 to enforce the law,

00:10:39.820 local law,

00:10:40.460 but the idea is

00:10:41.640 in these areas where gangs

00:10:43.460 come into,

00:10:44.560 like Vidham Park,

00:10:45.340 where I grew up,

00:10:46.140 where you'd see 15 black teenagers

00:10:48.680 come into our neighborhood

00:10:49.640 and just steal everything from you,

00:10:52.320 they won't do it

00:10:53.300 when there are two National Guardsmen

00:10:54.740 standing there with rifles.

00:10:55.560 Will you condemn the National Guard

00:10:56.760 if they help execute

00:10:57.540 a search warrant for ICE?

00:10:59.780 Why?

00:11:00.620 Because you said

00:11:01.200 that you wouldn't be in favor

00:11:02.060 of them enforcing civilian law.

00:11:03.980 I didn't say that.

00:11:04.900 Would you be in favor

00:11:05.640 of the National Guard

00:11:07.160 enforcing immigration law?

00:11:10.520 Should there be

00:11:11.280 a declared emergency

00:11:12.200 under color of law

00:11:13.820 and it's legal and allowed?

00:11:15.880 One of the ways

00:11:16.560 in which you're trying

00:11:16.980 to sell this

00:11:17.440 is you're saying

00:11:17.860 they're just going to be

00:11:18.680 standing there

00:11:19.120 as a presence,

00:11:20.040 a show of force.

00:11:20.660 That's the argument.

00:11:21.040 I think that that is

00:11:22.420 by itself also problematic

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00:12:53.260 ...institution where

00:12:53.780 we're specifically scared

00:12:55.620 of standing armies

00:12:56.360 and the founders especially,

00:12:57.720 right, they have

00:12:59.020 every two years, right,

00:13:00.000 the army lapses.

00:13:01.300 There's a requirement

00:13:01.980 in the constitution.

00:13:03.000 You're not arguing

00:13:03.680 what I'm talking about.

00:13:04.480 What I'm trying to say is

00:13:05.320 there's a big concern

00:13:06.800 to have military,

00:13:08.080 domestic presence

00:13:08.940 of the military.

00:13:10.460 No, there isn't.

00:13:11.040 One of the ways

00:13:11.600 that you were,

00:13:12.060 there isn't in our history?

00:13:13.760 No, no, no, no.

00:13:14.700 Don't, where are you from?

00:13:16.240 Are you from Chicago?

00:13:17.080 I'm from New York.

00:13:18.380 Oh, you're from New York.

00:13:18.860 I find it very difficult

00:13:21.700 having experienced

00:13:23.680 the things that I did

00:13:24.580 to have people

00:13:25.180 not from this place

00:13:26.220 tell me that I don't want

00:13:27.840 National Guard in my own.

00:13:28.780 I didn't say that.

00:13:29.340 I said our history.

00:13:30.200 Okay, I get that.

00:13:30.900 I get that.

00:13:31.380 I am begging,

00:13:32.380 begging Donald Trump

00:13:33.220 to send in the National Guard

00:13:34.700 to put an end to this shit.

00:13:36.660 But part of the way

00:13:37.240 that you're selling it

00:13:37.800 is don't worry.

00:13:38.820 They're not going to enforce

00:13:39.620 civilian law.

00:13:40.260 That's part of what you're selling.

00:13:41.300 I said the plan was this.

00:13:43.120 And I also said

00:13:43.800 in some circumstances

00:13:44.760 an illegal deployment

00:13:45.540 of the National Guard

00:13:46.040 would be good.

00:13:47.080 What's your solution to this?

00:13:48.540 What's your solution?

00:13:49.300 I don't know.

00:13:49.740 We're not here to discuss

00:13:50.320 my broader solution to crime.

00:13:51.240 You don't have one.

00:13:51.940 We're not here to discuss

00:13:53.280 my broader solution to crime,

00:13:54.400 are we?

00:13:55.100 Are we here to discuss crime generally

00:13:56.240 or the deployment

00:13:56.800 of the National Guard

00:13:57.520 and the military?

00:13:58.900 Whether that's something we support.

00:13:59.880 The underlying issue

00:14:00.620 of the deployment

00:14:00.940 of the National Guard

00:14:01.500 is the crime.

00:14:02.680 It's because of murder.

00:14:03.820 It's because of the crime.

00:14:04.780 Okay, because of murder

00:14:05.780 we think that we should

00:14:06.740 deploy the military.

00:14:08.080 So would you be in favor of...

00:14:09.340 I think you need to do

00:14:10.260 whatever it takes

00:14:11.040 to make murder stop.

00:14:12.400 Even doing illegal stuff, right?

00:14:14.100 Yeah, because...

00:14:14.440 What is illegal?

00:14:15.080 Is that right?

00:14:16.140 The who saves his country

00:14:17.040 violates no law.

00:14:18.340 So this is a fascinating thing.

00:14:20.440 Legal and illegal...

00:14:21.320 You say fascism.

00:14:22.260 You say, is this fascism?

00:14:23.760 What I'm hearing right now is

00:14:25.120 it doesn't matter

00:14:25.740 if it's legal or illegal.

00:14:26.660 We're going to support it.

00:14:27.140 Right, so you support

00:14:27.900 the legal destruction

00:14:28.780 of the black neighborhoods?

00:14:29.720 No, I mean, I don't know

00:14:30.380 that you're representing it fairly,

00:14:31.620 but...

00:14:31.780 I just showed you.

00:14:32.420 Okay, just because

00:14:33.380 they tear down a neighborhood

00:14:34.260 doesn't mean it was done

00:14:34.960 in violation of the rights

00:14:36.240 of these people

00:14:36.720 or it was done...

00:14:37.780 The legal destruction

00:14:40.460 of the black community

00:14:41.200 is okay.

00:14:41.760 Is that what you said?

00:14:42.260 So, just to be clear,

00:14:43.400 you would agree

00:14:43.880 that just because

00:14:44.520 a neighborhood was bulldozed

00:14:46.040 does not mean that

00:14:46.840 that was the wrong thing to do, right?

00:14:49.240 Say that one more time.

00:14:49.900 You're representing me

00:14:50.640 for the first time

00:14:51.380 the fact that this neighborhood

00:14:52.280 was bulldozed.

00:14:53.100 I can't comment on it

00:14:54.020 other than to say

00:14:54.500 if you're representing it correctly

00:14:55.640 that it was all done unfairly

00:14:56.760 with a bad motive,

00:14:57.940 then sure,

00:14:58.520 it was the wrong thing to do,

00:14:59.360 but that doesn't bear on

00:15:00.000 whether or not

00:15:00.300 the National Guard deployment

00:15:01.060 is okay.

00:15:01.480 Do you think that

00:15:02.000 Donald Trump's argument

00:15:03.140 for the deployment

00:15:03.600 of the National Guard

00:15:04.280 is legitimate

00:15:04.900 or is he making excuses?

00:15:05.740 It's illegitimate, obviously.

00:15:06.940 So, in Chicago,

00:15:08.520 there's not going to be

00:15:09.080 a single Democratic politician

00:15:10.180 who's going to come out

00:15:10.720 and tell you

00:15:11.180 because crime got so bad

00:15:12.900 we flattened

00:15:13.800 the black community.

00:15:14.880 They're not going to say that.

00:15:16.020 Yeah, but why are we

00:15:16.820 playing this game

00:15:17.420 of whataboutism

00:15:18.240 when we're like,

00:15:19.060 okay, the Democrats

00:15:19.660 had a bad policy on crime.

00:15:21.760 By the way,

00:15:22.180 they've had multiple

00:15:22.760 bad policies on crime

00:15:23.780 over the course of decades

00:15:24.680 and decades and decades.

00:15:25.640 It's not whataboutism.

00:15:26.300 It's quite simple.

00:15:27.160 It's for decades,

00:15:28.700 for generations,

00:15:30.000 the Democrat policies,

00:15:31.440 the liberal plans,

00:15:32.340 the plans you're presenting

00:15:33.220 and the counter

00:15:34.500 that you're making

00:15:35.380 to Donald Trump

00:15:35.900 has failed

00:15:36.660 and has resulted in

00:15:37.640 people that I know

00:15:38.280 being dead.

00:15:39.340 And the response

00:15:39.940 from the city was,

00:15:40.820 of course,

00:15:41.260 they're going to give platitudes.

00:15:42.260 We're going to beautify

00:15:43.520 the area.

00:15:44.740 And they don't say,

00:15:45.900 hey, the gang violence murder

00:15:47.200 has gotten so bad

00:15:48.060 and the drug dealing so bad.

00:15:48.940 Why not have the military

00:15:49.540 enforce the civilian law?

00:15:50.920 So, deploying the National Guard

00:15:52.440 is Trump's plan

00:15:53.100 and I say,

00:15:53.620 I'll fucking take it.

00:15:54.880 I will take it.

00:15:55.580 So, you would support

00:15:56.600 the military enforcing

00:15:57.740 civilian law,

00:15:58.340 including immigration?

00:15:58.900 In Chicago, 100%.

00:16:00.260 Yeah.

00:16:00.720 Because this is an emergency.

00:16:01.720 So, no one should believe you

00:16:03.020 when you're doing this whole thing

00:16:04.500 of, don't worry,

00:16:04.960 they're just going to be

00:16:05.260 standing there.

00:16:06.080 You know they're not.

00:16:06.700 You're lying.

00:16:07.060 I didn't say that.

00:16:07.580 He was just saying

00:16:08.220 that's the plan.

00:16:08.980 He's not saying that.

00:16:09.740 That's not the plan

00:16:10.560 because we saw what happened

00:16:11.420 in L.A.

00:16:12.080 And in L.A.,

00:16:12.700 they weren't just standing there.

00:16:13.880 They were helping execute warrants.

00:16:15.120 They were going

00:16:15.480 and doing enforcement actions

00:16:16.480 on cannabis farms.

00:16:17.620 They were making perimeters.

00:16:19.600 They were doing arrests

00:16:20.600 and searches.

00:16:21.160 So, it's not just the case.

00:16:22.640 That's allowed.

00:16:23.320 Their whole plan.

00:16:23.960 Well, hang on.

00:16:24.440 It's not illegal.

00:16:24.940 That's enforcement

00:16:25.400 of civilian law.

00:16:26.320 And that's fine.

00:16:27.460 Okay, the law says it's not.

00:16:29.180 No, that's not correct.

00:16:30.200 You're lying.

00:16:30.800 Okay.

00:16:31.640 Under certain circumstances,

00:16:33.940 the president has the authority

00:16:35.020 to invoke the National Guard

00:16:36.020 to enforce national law.

00:16:37.540 A local law.

00:16:38.780 Not under posse comitatus.

00:16:40.260 That's the army,

00:16:40.980 not the National Guard.

00:16:41.940 The army and the Marines.

00:16:43.240 That applies to the National Guard

00:16:44.060 and federal service.

00:16:44.760 The army and the Marines

00:16:45.680 can enforce a domestic law

00:16:47.560 if an emergency is declared

00:16:48.940 and Trump invokes

00:16:49.480 the Insurrection Act.

00:16:50.300 The posse comitatus

00:16:51.780 applies to National Guard troops

00:16:53.180 called in federal service.

00:16:54.160 Do you?

00:16:54.240 Sure.

00:16:54.520 Okay, so it does apply to them.

00:16:56.180 It does apply to them.

00:16:56.380 So there's two circumstances

00:16:57.540 where the National...

00:16:58.320 First, the National Guard

00:16:59.560 has more leeway

00:17:00.240 to enforce domestic law

00:17:01.320 when the law is not being enforced.

00:17:03.020 We've gone over this

00:17:03.740 for years now.

00:17:04.800 Even liberals made the argument.

00:17:06.420 If local law

00:17:07.340 is not being enforced,

00:17:08.360 the president has the right

00:17:09.280 to call upon

00:17:10.220 the state National Guard.

00:17:11.600 Trump can bring in military,

00:17:13.780 actual Marines and army

00:17:14.960 to enforce local laws

00:17:16.380 if he invokes

00:17:17.500 the Insurrection Act.

00:17:18.300 He did not do that.

00:17:19.540 So you think

00:17:20.160 that there was an insurrection?

00:17:21.080 Do you think

00:17:21.520 there was an insurrection in L.A.?

00:17:22.840 Define.

00:17:23.620 I don't know, Andre.

00:17:24.400 Your vision of it, right?

00:17:25.660 I mean, you would say

00:17:26.320 the invocation of the Insurrection Act.

00:17:27.680 The Mexicans were waving

00:17:28.920 their own flags

00:17:29.600 inside your country

00:17:30.380 and declaring

00:17:30.980 that they were going

00:17:31.640 to take over a state

00:17:32.720 for the race.

00:17:33.660 I think that probably qualifies.

00:17:35.000 That is a problem.

00:17:35.460 You know, it's funny

00:17:36.380 that we have a U.K. person

00:17:38.440 coming here

00:17:38.820 to talk to me

00:17:39.420 about the First Amendment,

00:17:40.020 not my country.

00:17:40.720 Hold on, hold on.

00:17:41.720 That's why we run.

00:17:42.440 In this country,

00:17:43.200 we have a right to expression.

00:17:45.420 And also, by the way,

00:17:46.240 I think it's even...

00:17:47.060 He's got you there.

00:17:48.080 It's even extra funny.

00:17:49.520 I just want to finish this

00:17:50.400 and I'll let you finish.

00:17:51.260 So it's even extra funny

00:17:52.220 because the whole purpose

00:17:53.700 that our constitutional structure

00:17:54.960 in our history

00:17:55.300 is so fearful of standing armies

00:17:56.800 has to do with

00:17:57.660 British deployments

00:17:58.500 of the military

00:17:59.120 in the United States

00:17:59.980 like the Boston Massacre, etc.

00:18:01.720 And so, yes,

00:18:02.460 we don't need your lessons

00:18:03.480 on military deployments

00:18:04.480 or the First Amendment.

00:18:05.460 Okay, there's no need

00:18:06.960 to be petty.

00:18:08.140 I was actually going

00:18:08.800 to ask you a question

00:18:09.640 in very good faith.

00:18:10.680 So I would reign that in, please.

00:18:13.360 The constitutional statutes

00:18:15.040 that you're appealing to,

00:18:16.460 forgive my ignorance,

00:18:17.940 which specific parts

00:18:19.140 and when were they written?

00:18:20.460 So 1878, I think,

00:18:22.420 is posse comitatus.

00:18:23.380 Okay.

00:18:23.720 That's after...

00:18:24.260 And the history

00:18:24.940 is really helpful here

00:18:25.900 because it was after

00:18:27.220 President Grant's deployment

00:18:28.640 of troops

00:18:29.580 in the southern states

00:18:30.520 that the reaction to that

00:18:32.060 and after the Hayes-Tilden election,

00:18:33.680 they passed posse comitatus

00:18:35.100 specifically because

00:18:36.040 troops were in the south

00:18:37.360 enforcing federal law,

00:18:39.060 enforcing civilian law

00:18:39.860 and they didn't like that

00:18:40.600 and so Congress

00:18:41.200 passed posse comitatus

00:18:42.480 and so, yeah,

00:18:43.080 the history really,

00:18:43.740 really helps my case here.

00:18:44.660 Yeah, I wasn't trying

00:18:45.740 to refute it.

00:18:46.220 I was asking a sincere question.

00:18:47.940 You're being unnecessarily defensive

00:18:49.920 and not being combative with you.

00:18:51.140 The point I'm going

00:18:52.360 to lead with this

00:18:53.340 is that's all well and good

00:18:55.180 but the appeal

00:18:56.500 to the justification

00:18:57.260 of the law

00:18:58.040 appeals to a context

00:18:59.920 which no longer applies

00:19:01.320 because the reason

00:19:02.840 those laws were written

00:19:03.760 was an internal conversation

00:19:05.140 about limits,

00:19:05.960 checks and balances

00:19:06.560 on the undue application

00:19:08.080 of power

00:19:08.500 within a homogenous population,

00:19:10.060 right?

00:19:10.400 The current problem

00:19:11.440 that America has

00:19:12.160 is they're in a state

00:19:13.480 of emergency.

00:19:14.420 They've imported,

00:19:15.080 what,

00:19:15.420 10 to 15 million illegals

00:19:17.300 in the last

00:19:17.820 four to five years alone.

00:19:20.160 The crime is out of control

00:19:21.500 because of foreign investment

00:19:22.900 in DAs

00:19:24.260 and progressive cities

00:19:25.240 and they treat the criminals

00:19:26.360 like the victims of society.

00:19:27.620 So if the local authorities

00:19:29.320 are not going to enforce

00:19:30.840 the law

00:19:31.680 and they're going to put

00:19:32.540 people's lives at risk

00:19:33.560 then yes,

00:19:34.400 the federal government

00:19:34.900 has a duty to step in

00:19:36.260 and safeguard its citizens

00:19:37.320 because if on the ground

00:19:39.800 the DAs are ideologically bankrupt

00:19:41.880 and endangering people

00:19:43.000 it is morally justified

00:19:44.520 to have the military

00:19:45.220 step in and reinforce order.

00:19:46.740 Let me ask you a question.

00:19:47.960 You keep bringing up legality

00:19:49.880 as if it's some basis

00:19:51.580 for morality.

00:19:53.300 What the Nazis did

00:19:54.280 was legal

00:19:54.700 is the most famous argument.

00:19:56.140 Obviously it was not good.

00:19:57.620 So color of law

00:19:58.760 is not a justification

00:19:59.960 or an argument against

00:20:01.480 an action.

00:20:02.580 Yeah, I basically think

00:20:03.460 that there is a very,

00:20:04.100 I want to address

00:20:04.500 your context argument

00:20:05.240 because I think it's one

00:20:05.900 that people bring up

00:20:06.500 so I will address it afterwards.

00:20:08.360 I think that there's

00:20:08.800 a certain threshold

00:20:09.660 that we apply

00:20:10.440 in terms of severity.

00:20:11.780 Everyone has that.

00:20:12.760 That you're not going to respect

00:20:13.700 the laws of North Korea.

00:20:14.920 You're not going to respect

00:20:15.560 the laws of the Nazi regime

00:20:16.740 but I really, really value

00:20:18.300 our constitutional system

00:20:19.540 and structure

00:20:19.980 and our history.

00:20:21.420 It has produced

00:20:21.980 the most prosperous,

00:20:23.740 most powerful country

00:20:24.760 in the history of the world.

00:20:26.120 We're right now

00:20:26.520 at the height of our power

00:20:27.740 and so I want to protect

00:20:29.300 that system

00:20:29.900 because it seems to produce

00:20:30.840 really, really, really good results

00:20:32.340 and protect domestic liberty.

00:20:34.500 So, you know,

00:20:35.100 you'd have to have a,

00:20:36.340 you said yourself,

00:20:37.640 it's not like we can't live.

00:20:38.980 You said it yourself

00:20:39.740 at the start of the conversation.

00:20:41.040 We've had worse times

00:20:41.880 and so it sounds to me

00:20:43.060 like we haven't met

00:20:43.700 that threshold,

00:20:44.320 at least in your mind,

00:20:45.480 that we're going to throw away

00:20:46.840 our constitutional scheme

00:20:48.280 of government.

00:20:48.660 That's ridiculous.

00:20:49.460 Who said that?

00:20:49.900 Okay, and I want to address

00:20:50.740 your context argument.

00:20:52.120 That's a ridiculous drama

00:20:53.160 that no one argued.

00:20:53.860 So, all I'm saying is

00:20:55.220 the good here

00:20:56.100 is to protect our history,

00:20:57.980 our constitution.

00:20:58.880 That's what the good is.

00:20:59.720 What is the circumstance

00:21:00.400 by which Trump can legally

00:21:01.420 deploy the National Guard?

00:21:02.420 It depends.

00:21:02.920 He has different authorities

00:21:03.760 to legally deploy

00:21:04.580 the National Guard.

00:21:05.240 Emergency is one of them.

00:21:05.680 Can I address his context?

00:21:06.780 Emergency is one of them.

00:21:07.860 It depends which kind

00:21:08.600 of emergency.

00:21:09.360 Like which one?

00:21:10.040 So, for example,

00:21:11.180 the title he invoked

00:21:12.480 in California,

00:21:13.540 it's rebellion,

00:21:14.740 it's invasion,

00:21:16.060 none of which are present,

00:21:17.140 and an inability

00:21:18.080 to enforce law.

00:21:19.900 How do you define invasion?

00:21:22.100 Why should I have to

00:21:23.060 define invasion right now

00:21:23.780 as we speak here?

00:21:24.160 Because Trump,

00:21:24.900 you said Trump cited invasion.

00:21:26.300 He did not cite invasion.

00:21:27.180 He cited the statute

00:21:27.840 which calls invasion.

00:21:28.780 So, he's not pretending

00:21:29.920 there's invasion.

00:21:30.360 He does pretend there's invasion

00:21:31.320 for persons of the

00:21:31.880 Alien Enemies Act

00:21:32.560 which has been rejected

00:21:33.500 now even by the Fifth Circuit.

00:21:34.600 Let's start over.

00:21:35.440 We'll slow down.

00:21:36.600 What was the basis

00:21:37.800 by which Trump justified

00:21:39.180 the deployment

00:21:39.700 of the National Guard?

00:21:40.500 He said that there was

00:21:41.020 a rebellion.

00:21:41.820 Uh-huh.

00:21:42.620 Do you agree with that?

00:21:43.540 In L.A.?

00:21:44.460 Yeah.

00:21:45.040 Okay, so...

00:21:45.800 It's semantic.

00:21:46.220 So, you agree that...

00:21:47.100 Wait.

00:21:47.660 You agree that there

00:21:48.440 was a rebellion in L.A.?

00:21:49.200 I just want to hear you say

00:21:50.120 January 6th was a rebellion.

00:21:52.360 In what way?

00:21:54.360 You just said you...

00:21:55.400 So, certainly you mean

00:21:56.420 something when you said

00:21:57.140 you agreed that what

00:21:58.060 happened in L.A.

00:21:58.720 with ICE was a rebellion.

00:21:59.980 You have your own standard

00:22:01.380 for what you meant

00:22:01.940 by rebellion.

00:22:02.500 So, clearly that applies

00:22:03.580 to January 6th, doesn't it?

00:22:04.620 In January 6th,

00:22:05.580 was there a foreign government

00:22:06.940 saying that their people

00:22:08.360 were agitating on behalf of...

00:22:09.680 I don't know what you're

00:22:10.240 talking about.

00:22:10.920 That Mex...

00:22:11.240 Did Sheinban represent

00:22:12.480 the Mexican residents

00:22:14.240 were doing...

00:22:14.580 Yes.

00:22:14.840 They were waving...

00:22:15.840 They were waving...

00:22:16.440 They were waving...

00:22:16.460 They were waving...

00:22:18.520 They were waving

00:22:19.380 foreign flags on January 6th.

00:22:20.680 They were waving

00:22:21.100 Georgian flag,

00:22:22.340 the country of Georgia

00:22:23.700 flag.

00:22:24.480 They were waving...

00:22:25.160 Was the head of Georgia

00:22:26.100 agitating for Georgian

00:22:27.580 national citizens

00:22:29.220 or ethnically...

00:22:30.720 That turns on whether

00:22:31.480 something is a rebellion.

00:22:32.720 Or invasion.

00:22:32.980 So, whether or not...

00:22:33.980 Invasion.

00:22:34.240 Whether or not they're

00:22:34.940 waving a flag

00:22:35.900 and whether a foreign country

00:22:37.060 is saying that...

00:22:38.280 These are all shock troops

00:22:39.460 to leverage political...

00:22:41.300 That changes in your mind

00:22:42.240 whether something is a

00:22:42.960 rebellion or not?

00:22:43.760 Or an invasion?

00:22:44.540 Yes.

00:22:44.980 Of course it does.

00:22:45.440 The important thing to consider

00:22:46.840 is the legal definition

00:22:48.060 versus the colloquial

00:22:49.240 or the semantic

00:22:49.840 as interpreted by

00:22:50.880 different individuals.

00:22:52.080 The thing about January 6th

00:22:53.240 is that I would argue

00:22:54.120 certainly some of those people

00:22:55.640 thought they were engaged

00:22:56.540 in insurrection or rebellion.

00:22:57.680 Not whether they thought,

00:22:58.480 whether you called it

00:22:59.280 or are willing to call it

00:23:00.300 a rebellion.

00:23:01.360 But you are willing to call LA

00:23:02.580 what happened in LA

00:23:03.460 the violence that occurred

00:23:04.060 in LA a rebellion.

00:23:04.900 Why is that?

00:23:05.180 So, with January 6th

00:23:06.960 it was disorganized

00:23:09.340 and random.

00:23:10.740 Some of...

00:23:11.320 You make this look

00:23:12.080 on your face

00:23:12.320 but you interrupted me

00:23:13.020 before I can make my point.

00:23:13.920 Yes, sir.

00:23:14.320 Some of the people

00:23:14.940 who showed up

00:23:15.340 certainly did have the intent

00:23:16.500 to disrupt

00:23:17.180 the electoral vote count.

00:23:18.400 I think I have no problem

00:23:19.400 with these people

00:23:20.000 being criminally charged

00:23:20.860 locked up and, you know.

00:23:22.160 I think you get...

00:23:23.540 You go to prison for this

00:23:24.280 especially fighting cops.

00:23:25.740 Was there an organized effort

00:23:26.980 to bring people

00:23:27.880 to January 6th

00:23:28.660 for that purpose?

00:23:29.220 It does not appear

00:23:29.700 to be the case.

00:23:30.440 That's why they didn't

00:23:30.940 actually charge anybody

00:23:31.880 under insurrection

00:23:32.900 or anything like that.

00:23:33.700 They charge people

00:23:34.440 of seditious conspiracy

00:23:35.800 which is a design to...

00:23:37.420 Indeed and...

00:23:38.620 To bring people there

00:23:39.380 to...

00:23:40.480 Incorrect.

00:23:41.440 What do you mean?

00:23:41.780 That was specifically

00:23:42.420 among Oath Keepers

00:23:43.400 and Proud Boys

00:23:44.080 specifically among those...

00:23:45.680 So they were engaged

00:23:46.300 in rebellion, weren't they?

00:23:47.120 ...group of individuals.

00:23:48.240 Were they engaged

00:23:48.660 in rebellion?

00:23:48.980 That's actually an argument

00:23:50.100 to be made.

00:23:50.720 I would argue no.

00:23:51.700 Why not?

00:23:52.260 Why were they not engaged

00:23:53.420 in rebellion?

00:23:53.960 Let's roll, babe.

00:23:55.060 Did you read the...

00:23:55.740 With the ICE riots

00:23:56.660 where you have

00:23:57.680 the federal law

00:23:58.540 you have federal government

00:23:59.440 going in specifically

00:24:00.220 to enforce a law

00:24:00.980 an organized group

00:24:02.520 of people putting out

00:24:03.580 flyers and saying

00:24:04.340 for the purpose of this

00:24:05.460 we will come out

00:24:06.220 and engage in violence

00:24:07.180 is different, right?

00:24:09.440 Not everybody in LA

00:24:10.900 engaged in...

00:24:11.640 Like, this is the point

00:24:12.200 I'm making.

00:24:13.260 People at January 6th...

00:24:13.920 Not everyone at January 6th

00:24:14.920 did either.

00:24:15.260 Not everyone in LA

00:24:15.840 did either.

00:24:16.420 Exactly my point.

00:24:17.200 Yeah.

00:24:17.920 So when they went

00:24:19.320 and arrested J6ers

00:24:21.180 and I said they should

00:24:22.300 have been,

00:24:23.600 what's the problem?

00:24:25.120 We're not talking

00:24:25.720 about arrests.

00:24:26.240 We're talking about

00:24:26.640 whether or not

00:24:26.980 something is categorized

00:24:27.920 as a rebellion.

00:24:28.420 You were quite willing

00:24:28.980 to call what happened

00:24:31.260 in LA a rebellion.

00:24:32.140 For the purpose

00:24:32.940 of deploying law enforcement

00:24:34.380 to put a stop to it

00:24:35.160 as I would agree

00:24:35.920 with January 6th.

00:24:36.960 Yes.

00:24:37.460 We're in agreement.

00:24:38.120 So January 6th

00:24:38.780 was a rebellion?

00:24:39.740 No.

00:24:40.220 Okay.

00:24:41.220 Help me out here.

00:24:42.360 You're playing

00:24:42.740 a semantic game

00:24:43.640 instead of actually arguing...

00:24:45.000 I think you're playing

00:24:45.220 the game here.

00:24:46.180 The game is actually

00:24:47.000 quite simple.

00:24:47.920 In both circumstances

00:24:49.140 law was invoked

00:24:50.320 to deploy law enforcement

00:24:51.960 to stop a riot.

00:24:53.780 I agree with both circumstances

00:24:55.440 in LA and DC

00:24:57.160 to stop the riot.

00:24:57.860 The riot was more organized

00:24:59.100 and that changes

00:24:59.780 whether it's a rebellion

00:25:00.400 or not.

00:25:00.760 Among the people

00:25:01.900 who organized it

00:25:02.980 for the intention

00:25:03.740 be it LA or January 6th

00:25:05.920 they were engaged...

00:25:06.380 Even though they were

00:25:06.940 organized in January...

00:25:07.720 I mean come on.

00:25:08.260 You know that they were

00:25:08.900 organized in January 6th.

00:25:09.940 I mean not just because

00:25:10.620 not everyone is part of the plan.

00:25:12.040 They were people

00:25:12.440 who were organized

00:25:13.080 with a specific seditious purpose.

00:25:13.980 So my argument

00:25:14.780 is that there were

00:25:15.580 some people on January 6th

00:25:16.640 that intended to overthrow

00:25:17.740 to stop the vote count.

00:25:19.080 Most didn't.

00:25:19.960 And there were some people

00:25:20.880 in LA that were intending

00:25:22.220 to stop federal government

00:25:23.500 from engaging in law enforcement

00:25:24.560 which is under the law

00:25:26.080 the same thing.

00:25:27.180 Insurrection or rebellion.

00:25:27.960 So in terms of frustrating

00:25:28.720 the federal purpose...

00:25:29.560 They're the exact same thing.

00:25:30.660 I'm calling them the same thing.

00:25:31.900 I'm saying law enforcement

00:25:32.760 should have done the same thing

00:25:33.620 and you're choosing

00:25:34.560 one to be and one not to be.

00:25:35.640 No, no, no.

00:25:35.920 Hang on.

00:25:36.340 You're saying that

00:25:38.420 what happened in LA

00:25:39.340 was a rebellion

00:25:39.820 and what happened

00:25:41.820 in January 6th wasn't.

00:25:42.740 You're saying that

00:25:43.200 there's a distinction there.

00:25:43.760 I'm saying that

00:25:44.740 there was an organized effort

00:25:45.940 among leftist activists

00:25:47.300 across California.

00:25:49.120 We did not see that

00:25:50.340 as a coordinated effort

00:25:51.140 with January 6th.

00:25:52.040 However,

00:25:52.760 some people on January 6th

00:25:54.200 did have that intent

00:25:55.060 and if the government

00:25:56.420 were to say

00:25:57.180 we are going to invoke

00:25:58.660 the same act

00:25:59.980 for the deployment

00:26:00.540 of law enforcement

00:26:01.180 to stop these violent actions

00:26:02.520 that is acceptable.

00:26:04.160 Yes.

00:26:04.440 We agree on that.

00:26:05.160 So rebellion is a type

00:26:06.100 of prolonged insurrection.

00:26:08.020 Okay.

00:26:08.700 Insurrection is the broader term here

00:26:10.180 and rebellion is a subset of it.

00:26:11.860 And insurrection is levying war

00:26:15.320 against the United States.

00:26:16.460 It's a type of treason.

00:26:17.960 All right.

00:26:18.160 And levying war

00:26:19.020 and it has four elements to it.

00:26:21.020 An assemblage,

00:26:22.140 a public purpose,

00:26:23.620 the use of force

00:26:24.500 or intimidation

00:26:25.220 and to frustrate a U.S. law

00:26:27.620 and basically to violate

00:26:28.440 a U.S. law.

00:26:29.380 And so I would,

00:26:30.560 because I'm consistent,

00:26:31.940 I would say that

00:26:32.440 there are some things.

00:26:33.220 You're not.

00:26:33.520 And I am consistent

00:26:34.340 in LA that would

00:26:35.520 under the historical definition

00:26:36.900 of insurrection

00:26:37.840 qualify as an insurrection.

00:26:38.940 So let's, let's, let's.

00:26:39.860 Hang on a second.

00:26:41.000 I am consistent though

00:26:42.460 because I use

00:26:43.340 that historical definition.

00:26:44.520 I don't know what definition

00:26:45.360 you guys are using,

00:26:46.440 which is like somehow

00:26:47.380 the foreign country

00:26:48.900 has some role

00:26:49.580 into whether something

00:26:50.140 is an insurrection.

00:26:50.640 Like where are you getting

00:26:51.280 that definition from?

00:26:52.280 Invasion.

00:26:53.820 You cited invasion,

00:26:55.040 he pointed out invasion.

00:26:56.020 But Trump did not cite

00:26:57.280 an invasion

00:26:57.780 for his invocation

00:26:58.880 of the National Guard.

00:27:00.040 You said he did.

00:27:00.680 No, no.

00:27:01.300 I said he cited a statute

00:27:02.500 which includes

00:27:03.440 one of the purposes in it,

00:27:04.900 invasion, rebellion

00:27:06.000 or inability to.

00:27:07.020 So invasion is included.

00:27:08.900 So let's, let's make

00:27:09.720 something clear.

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00:28:39.160 A large portion of the people

00:28:40.580 who are arrested and charged

00:28:41.560 did not engage in insurrection,

00:28:43.620 did not engage in rebellion,

00:28:45.100 did not riot,

00:28:46.220 did not fight with police,

00:28:47.660 did not tear down barricades,

00:28:48.980 did not smash windows.

00:28:50.560 There were people

00:28:51.260 who showed up

00:28:52.380 an hour after

00:28:54.040 police had cleared

00:28:55.340 everybody out.

00:28:56.320 The doors were still open.

00:28:57.640 The paths were still clear.

00:28:58.760 I've interviewed

00:28:59.640 some of these people.

00:29:00.300 I have met them.

00:29:00.780 One couple,

00:29:02.340 they were in their late 50s,

00:29:04.240 showed up an hour

00:29:05.300 after everything had stopped,

00:29:07.320 walked up the stairs

00:29:08.340 to open doors,

00:29:09.820 walked in looking around,

00:29:11.600 shrugged and left,

00:29:12.600 and got convicted

00:29:13.540 and sentenced

00:29:14.300 to 18 months in jail.

00:29:16.140 This is the distinction.

00:29:18.160 What is that?

00:29:18.960 That's a distinction

00:29:19.640 in terms of whether

00:29:20.260 something is an insurrection

00:29:21.160 or rebellion?

00:29:22.040 When we're talking about

00:29:23.080 the whole of January 6th,

00:29:25.160 we can't put a blanket

00:29:26.420 on every single person

00:29:27.520 who was arrested and charged.

00:29:28.280 That's what I'm trying to do.

00:29:28.900 So I want to make sure

00:29:29.860 that's clear then.

00:29:30.960 I'm not trying to say

00:29:31.800 that everyone who didn't

00:29:32.720 engage in insurrection.

00:29:33.720 I will put it very simply.

00:29:36.260 There were people

00:29:36.820 who intended to stop

00:29:37.480 the vote count.

00:29:39.280 Many of these people

00:29:40.220 were violent.

00:29:41.300 They should go to jail.

00:29:42.540 They should be convicted.

00:29:42.980 Did they engage

00:29:44.040 in insurrection?

00:29:45.420 That's tough to say

00:29:46.120 because we're talking

00:29:46.800 about two different things.

00:29:47.600 The legal,

00:29:49.040 which is infringing,

00:29:50.540 like stopping...

00:29:50.820 Under what you understand

00:29:52.200 the legal standard to be.

00:29:53.660 There's a difference

00:29:54.440 between the constitutional,

00:29:55.960 what insurrection is,

00:29:56.940 and when the president

00:29:58.580 can invoke

00:29:59.100 the Insurrection Act.

00:30:00.080 That's the debate

00:30:00.580 we had several months ago,

00:30:02.760 which regular people

00:30:04.280 don't understand

00:30:04.980 the distinction.

00:30:05.800 The Insurrection Act

00:30:06.640 refers to trying

00:30:07.380 to overthrow

00:30:07.860 the governments, right?

00:30:09.160 I'm sorry,

00:30:09.800 the 14th Amendment

00:30:10.840 statement about insurrection.

00:30:12.460 This is what

00:30:12.700 the Supreme Court ruled.

00:30:13.980 However,

00:30:14.320 the Insurrection Act

00:30:15.060 is just when someone is stopping...

00:30:16.580 Black Lives Matter

00:30:16.920 wasn't an insurrection

00:30:17.760 under the constitutional test,

00:30:18.980 even though you called it

00:30:19.640 an insurrection.

00:30:20.960 That was under

00:30:21.760 the Insurrection Act,

00:30:23.020 which is the point

00:30:23.500 I'm making right now.

00:30:24.180 The Insurrection Act

00:30:25.640 is when local law

00:30:26.960 is not being enforced

00:30:27.820 or individuals are stopping

00:30:29.440 the federal government

00:30:29.960 from enforcing law.

00:30:30.840 So why hasn't Trump

00:30:31.500 invoked the Insurrection Act?

00:30:33.140 Yeah, he should.

00:30:33.920 Fuck yeah, he should.

00:30:34.220 But he hasn't,

00:30:35.400 and until he does,

00:30:36.580 don't you think

00:30:36.980 that you need to analyze...

00:30:38.160 You're basically saying

00:30:39.360 that you don't care

00:30:40.580 to analyze

00:30:41.180 whether Trump's actions

00:30:42.040 are legal or not

00:30:43.020 under the current authorities

00:30:44.280 that he's saying.

00:30:44.620 That is a huge leap

00:30:45.500 that is not part of the country.

00:30:46.440 Do you care to analyze

00:30:47.620 whether his actions are legal

00:30:48.520 or if they're illegal,

00:30:49.600 are you going to say,

00:30:50.020 who cares if it's illegal?

00:30:51.080 That's what I'm kind of getting at.

00:30:52.260 It's like,

00:30:52.460 should I even bother?

00:30:53.280 We've already analyzed

00:30:54.580 that they're legal

00:30:55.280 and they are and...

00:30:56.080 We haven't analyzed,

00:30:57.400 but I'm saying

00:30:58.080 that they're illegal.

00:30:59.180 Bro, Abby Phillips,

00:31:01.860 all the liberals were like,

00:31:03.260 yeah, Trump can do this.

00:31:04.660 Just because Abby Phillips

00:31:05.660 says that doesn't mean

00:31:06.380 that she's right.

00:31:07.200 Come on, man.

00:31:07.680 You're going to trust CNN?

00:31:08.420 I'm making the point

00:31:09.320 that the liberal narrative,

00:31:11.320 except for you,

00:31:12.220 is that while Trump

00:31:13.400 can deploy National Guard

00:31:14.920 so long as they're picking up trash

00:31:16.580 and not enforcing law...

00:31:17.500 That's not true.

00:31:18.000 Gavin Newsom is in court right now.

00:31:19.460 They just had a ruling

00:31:20.100 that what he did in California

00:31:21.160 violated positive comment status.

00:31:22.820 He won.

00:31:23.740 The latest appeal

00:31:24.960 was that Trump,

00:31:25.920 the restrictions are lifted.

00:31:26.860 Hang on.

00:31:27.400 No.

00:31:27.960 It's gone back and forth

00:31:28.660 like three or four times.

00:31:29.200 The latest was

00:31:30.040 that there was a trial

00:31:30.740 on Posse Comitatus

00:31:31.860 and Judge Breyer

00:31:32.880 found that they did,

00:31:34.220 in fact,

00:31:34.480 violate Posse Comitatus.

00:31:34.960 The latest was

00:31:35.500 that the restrictions

00:31:36.040 were lifted

00:31:36.560 and Trump continued.

00:31:37.800 Breyer himself

00:31:38.660 state his own order

00:31:39.680 to let the Ninth Circuit

00:31:40.620 percolate.

00:31:41.180 They're already reviewing it,

00:31:42.360 whatever.

00:31:42.960 All that is to say

00:31:43.680 is it's a live issue

00:31:44.900 under the courts

00:31:45.960 and it's a separate issue

00:31:46.900 whether or not

00:31:47.280 the courts are able

00:31:47.920 to review it

00:31:48.520 and whether or not

00:31:49.140 he's following the law.

00:31:49.920 Can I adjust

00:31:51.300 what he said

00:31:51.560 because he had

00:31:51.800 something very interesting.

00:31:52.440 He was basically saying

00:31:53.080 this is a wholly

00:31:53.900 different context

00:31:54.560 and so me trying

00:31:55.800 to apply Posse Comitatus,

00:31:57.380 a law that's on the books,

00:31:58.340 to the conduct now,

00:31:59.440 it's removing and divorcing

00:32:00.820 the context of 1878

00:32:02.440 and misapplying it

00:32:04.440 in the current day.

00:32:05.220 That's not true.

00:32:05.880 We're fighting the same battles

00:32:07.000 that we're doing now

00:32:08.080 like they were.

00:32:09.000 They were having

00:32:09.820 an immigration problem

00:32:11.180 according to them

00:32:12.260 in the 1870s too.

00:32:13.780 The first restrictive

00:32:14.720 immigration law

00:32:15.280 that they passed

00:32:15.740 was the Page Act

00:32:16.640 in 1875

00:32:17.620 and there was a great deal

00:32:19.000 of Chinese immigration

00:32:19.920 that was happening

00:32:20.740 that people were pissed about

00:32:22.040 in that era

00:32:22.640 so I don't really think

00:32:23.460 that the difference here

00:32:25.160 in context

00:32:25.620 is the immigration pattern.

00:32:26.840 If anything,

00:32:27.460 we're fighting the same

00:32:28.380 separation of powers

00:32:29.400 issues that we're doing today

00:32:30.460 as they were back in the day.

00:32:31.960 So we had this debate

00:32:33.600 a couple months ago

00:32:34.340 and I know you commented

00:32:36.780 after the fact

00:32:37.520 and I think this is sophistry

00:32:39.160 on your part

00:32:39.840 and the liberals.

00:32:41.300 During the BLM riots,

00:32:43.200 there's a clip

00:32:43.940 that liberals shared

00:32:44.740 where I said

00:32:45.200 this is an insurrection.

00:32:46.700 The previous context

00:32:48.060 in the greater form,

00:32:49.280 the long form

00:32:49.820 of what I said was,

00:32:51.060 here's the Insurrection Act.

00:32:52.420 The Insurrection Act says

00:32:53.900 that if local law

00:32:54.940 is not being enforced

00:32:55.820 or that individuals

00:32:57.160 are using violence

00:32:58.000 to stop the enforcement

00:32:59.580 of federal law,

00:33:00.700 that qualifies

00:33:01.660 for the president

00:33:02.380 to invoke the Insurrection Act

00:33:03.340 and send the National Guard.

00:33:04.480 This qualifies

00:33:05.380 as an insurrection

00:33:05.980 in that context.

00:33:07.520 Then when it came

00:33:08.180 to January 6th,

00:33:09.260 the context liberals

00:33:10.160 brought up was that

00:33:10.940 this large body

00:33:12.280 of people that were rioting

00:33:13.220 were trying to overthrow

00:33:13.940 the United States government.

00:33:15.140 It's an insurrection.

00:33:16.160 To which I said,

00:33:16.900 no!

00:33:17.900 They're not trying to overthrow

00:33:18.440 most of those people

00:33:19.220 had no idea

00:33:19.480 what the fuck was going on.

00:33:20.960 Where are you getting

00:33:21.440 that insurrection

00:33:21.960 means you're trying

00:33:22.440 to take over the government?

00:33:23.780 That was the argument

00:33:24.500 liberals made

00:33:25.060 under the 14th Amendment.

00:33:25.960 Where are you getting

00:33:27.240 this notion

00:33:27.980 that insurrection

00:33:28.600 only means

00:33:29.320 when you try to overthrow

00:33:30.280 the government?

00:33:30.580 I literally just defined that.

00:33:31.200 Then why would you ever contest

00:33:32.840 whether Jan 6th

00:33:33.680 was an insurrection?

00:33:34.280 Insurrection.

00:33:35.340 So,

00:33:36.340 we'll try this again.

00:33:37.660 Literally,

00:33:38.180 that was literally...

00:33:38.740 You're saying under

00:33:39.240 the Insurrection Act,

00:33:40.560 things that wouldn't be insurrections,

00:33:42.660 which by the way,

00:33:43.200 I agree with you,

00:33:43.580 there are some things

00:33:44.000 under the Insurrection Act...

00:33:44.840 No one colloquially would think

00:33:48.740 that a handful of BLM rioters

00:33:52.020 smashing windows

00:33:52.960 was trying to overthrow

00:33:53.780 the U.S. government.

00:33:54.380 No, where are you getting...

00:33:55.020 I mean, some people might say that.

00:33:55.960 No, no, but what I'm saying

00:33:56.600 is the underlying assumption

00:33:57.820 that to do an insurrection,

00:34:00.260 that either colloquially

00:34:01.400 or under the historical

00:34:02.940 legal frameworks,

00:34:03.940 that that is what is needed

00:34:05.160 to qualify as an insurrection,

00:34:07.320 that you would need to

00:34:08.220 overthrow the government.

00:34:09.260 Like, why is the assumption...

00:34:10.140 We've pulled up

00:34:11.220 a numerous...

00:34:12.020 Where are you getting

00:34:13.100 this definition

00:34:13.640 that insurrection means

00:34:14.780 to overthrow the government?

00:34:16.580 Where are you getting it?

00:34:17.140 Oh, that was semantic

00:34:18.300 during New York Times, CNN, MSN.

00:34:20.820 Where are you getting the notion?

00:34:22.180 New York Times, CNN, MSN.

00:34:23.460 So New York Times, CNN said

00:34:25.060 that insurrection means

00:34:25.840 you're overthrowing the government?

00:34:27.940 That's what insurrection means?

00:34:28.680 That's literally...

00:34:29.220 Yes.

00:34:29.440 No.

00:34:29.980 So during this court case

00:34:32.620 over whether Donald Trump

00:34:34.420 was disqualified

00:34:35.060 under the Fourth Amendment

00:34:35.760 for insurrection,

00:34:37.080 the corporate press

00:34:38.140 was running the line,

00:34:40.120 their narrative was,

00:34:41.080 that's why I said

00:34:41.500 it's colloquial or semantic

00:34:42.640 as opposed to the legal,

00:34:44.000 that's what the distinction,

00:34:45.060 was that Trump tried

00:34:46.420 to overthrow the U.S. government.

00:34:48.820 And that's what

00:34:49.520 the Fourth Amendment meant

00:34:50.400 because of the civil war.

00:34:51.760 That was the public debate.

00:34:53.580 But the South wasn't

00:34:54.400 trying to overthrow

00:34:55.000 the Washington, D.C. government

00:34:56.160 in the civil war.

00:34:57.320 So if you're saying

00:34:58.260 that they're referencing

00:34:58.800 the civil war

00:34:59.480 and that they're incorporating

00:35:00.840 the civil war...

00:35:01.300 Hey, don't look at me.

00:35:02.420 No one was arguing

00:35:03.620 that insurrection means

00:35:04.500 you're trying to overthrow

00:35:04.920 the government,

00:35:05.280 and that's the absurd argument

00:35:06.360 that Trump was trying to say.

00:35:07.860 Trump was trying to argue

00:35:08.540 in court saying

00:35:09.080 to be an insurrection,

00:35:10.500 you need to really try

00:35:11.400 to overturn the government.

00:35:12.360 That's what the liberals were saying.

00:35:13.260 No, that's not what the liberals were saying.

00:35:14.720 It's a lesser standard than that.

00:35:16.000 That's why they were trying

00:35:16.640 to disqualify.

00:35:16.800 Oh, that's ridiculous, dude.

00:35:17.840 The idea that you could disqualify

00:35:19.940 a candidate for being

00:35:20.540 in a BLM right

00:35:21.340 is the stupidest thing

00:35:22.040 I've ever heard.

00:35:22.540 Hang on.

00:35:23.040 Wait, wait, wait.

00:35:23.760 Hold on.

00:35:24.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:35:24.460 Wait, wait, wait.

00:35:25.960 I agree with you.

00:35:27.680 It applies to previous oath takers.

00:35:29.680 Previous oath takers.

00:35:30.840 I agree.

00:35:32.040 So do you agree

00:35:32.800 that Jancic is an insurrection?

00:35:34.000 Yes.

00:35:34.800 Unironically,

00:35:35.180 you think Jancic

00:35:35.620 is an insurrection?

00:35:36.220 Yeah, Trump shouldn't be allowed

00:35:37.040 at run ever again.

00:35:37.520 I know, but you're being ironic now.

00:35:38.580 I'm not.

00:35:39.160 I'm totally asking you for real.

00:35:41.500 I'm actually being an opportunist.

00:35:43.260 Okay.

00:35:44.420 Trump's disqualified.

00:35:46.120 And if that means

00:35:47.220 he's out next year,

00:35:48.220 okay,

00:35:48.800 because holy shit,

00:35:49.940 that disqualifies

00:35:50.560 so many Democrats.

00:35:50.740 Well, he's not looking so good,

00:35:51.700 is he?

00:35:52.760 Health-wise.

00:35:53.880 That disqualifies

00:35:54.960 the Newsom.

00:35:56.600 It disqualifies

00:35:57.400 so many of these people.

00:35:58.320 It's amazing.

00:35:58.880 I'm down.

00:35:59.500 Let's go.

00:35:59.980 I'm agreed.

00:36:01.300 So you're agreeing

00:36:02.420 with the meaning of a word

00:36:04.260 based on how you intend

00:36:05.260 to use it?

00:36:06.400 I think that's what

00:36:06.960 you guys are doing.

00:36:07.700 Well, don't you criticize

00:36:08.920 lefties for saying,

00:36:10.780 you know,

00:36:10.960 you define women

00:36:11.680 however you want

00:36:12.440 to meet with,

00:36:13.500 like,

00:36:13.680 what you think is correct?

00:36:14.820 Should Kamala Harris

00:36:15.780 be disqualified

00:36:16.280 from ever holding office?

00:36:17.100 No, of course not.

00:36:17.940 She didn't engage

00:36:18.480 in insurrection.

00:36:19.380 Yes, she did.

00:36:19.820 She funded these people.

00:36:21.560 So first of all,

00:36:22.460 so we can talk about

00:36:23.380 that specific tweet

00:36:24.120 where she, like,

00:36:24.580 retweeted a bail fund.

00:36:25.300 Trump didn't engage

00:36:25.780 in insurrection, then.

00:36:26.400 So I don't think

00:36:27.100 engagement insurrection

00:36:28.020 also has a, you know,

00:36:29.620 historical legal definition.

00:36:30.840 And it doesn't include,

00:36:31.800 you know,

00:36:32.180 pushing for people

00:36:33.280 to have relief.

00:36:34.000 If the argument is

00:36:34.940 Donald Trump engaged

00:36:35.900 in insurrection

00:36:36.420 because he was a lighter

00:36:37.240 standard under the law,

00:36:38.300 then I say Kamala Harris

00:36:39.520 applies in the same way.

00:36:40.460 You actually think about,

00:36:41.460 Tim, what the standard is.

00:36:42.480 Not that I think Kamala's

00:36:42.940 actually doing the same.

00:36:43.100 You actually have to think

00:36:44.000 about what the standard is,

00:36:44.840 though.

00:36:45.080 Like, the standard isn't just

00:36:46.120 it's a lower standard

00:36:47.340 so anyone can fall under it.

00:36:48.800 You need to actually

00:36:49.340 apply the standard.

00:36:50.160 But it's all to show

00:36:51.120 that, like,

00:36:51.440 if he wants to invoke

00:36:52.380 the Insurrection Act,

00:36:53.440 he should do so.

00:36:54.260 He hasn't invoked

00:36:55.020 the Insurrection Act.

00:36:56.140 And so we should assess

00:36:57.040 his actions

00:36:57.880 deploying the National Guard

00:36:58.580 under the legal frameworks.

00:36:59.580 If Donald Trump

00:37:00.300 doesn't get to be

00:37:00.900 president anymore

00:37:01.500 but it means that

00:37:02.260 any Democrat

00:37:02.920 who's ever supported a riot

00:37:03.900 can't run for office,

00:37:05.100 I'm down.

00:37:05.720 Okay, but mere...

00:37:06.680 The Republicans

00:37:07.040 tend not to do that.

00:37:08.160 Not that I like the Republicans.

00:37:08.700 Mere support is not

00:37:10.020 engagement and insurrection

00:37:11.140 all the time.

00:37:11.640 But I do want to just...

00:37:12.880 Let's bring it back to Chicago.

00:37:13.920 Yeah, let's go to Chicago.

00:37:15.040 So that deployment,

00:37:16.580 if he's anticipating

00:37:17.820 using the military

00:37:19.400 to enforce civilian law,

00:37:21.600 you don't have a problem

00:37:22.180 with that as a libertarian?

00:37:24.440 No.

00:37:25.220 So you wouldn't have a problem

00:37:25.900 with him doing it in Tennessee

00:37:27.340 or doing it in Arkansas

00:37:28.480 or doing it in any of these

00:37:29.180 red states that have

00:37:29.740 higher crime rates.

00:37:30.540 Depends on the circumstances.

00:37:31.580 Why do the red states

00:37:32.560 have higher crime rates?

00:37:34.860 I'm assuming you want me to say it.

00:37:36.160 I'm assuming you want me to say it

00:37:37.320 because there are black people there?

00:37:38.880 There's a lot of strength.

00:37:40.080 I think he was specifically...

00:37:41.220 You're specifically saying

00:37:41.800 some cities in these red states

00:37:43.240 have higher crime.

00:37:43.580 Some cities in these red states

00:37:44.460 have higher crime than D.C.

00:37:45.100 I don't think he's saying

00:37:45.940 red states have higher crime.

00:37:46.780 Yeah, because of strength.

00:37:48.000 Yeah.

00:37:48.300 Why?

00:37:49.020 Diversity being our greatest strength.

00:37:50.520 Yeah, so whatever the cause is,

00:37:53.160 we're just talking about

00:37:53.680 whether we support the deployment.

00:37:54.860 So I'm just asking you...

00:37:55.900 You throw up red states

00:37:58.500 to make a political point, though.

00:37:59.780 That's the point.

00:38:00.420 No, no.

00:38:00.660 I'm saying red states

00:38:01.360 in terms of the reason why

00:38:02.940 he's not deploying red states

00:38:03.760 is because he has relationships

00:38:05.100 with these governors

00:38:05.800 and that's why he's doing it.

00:38:07.220 It's political.

00:38:08.040 I don't think he was saying

00:38:08.880 red states have higher crime.

00:38:09.820 I think he was saying

00:38:10.820 there are some red states

00:38:12.220 that have cities with high crime

00:38:13.040 Trump's not deploying to.

00:38:14.100 Right.

00:38:14.560 And we all know why.

00:38:16.140 I do have to bring this up.

00:38:17.300 It's kind of a non sequitur,

00:38:18.360 but I think it's relevant

00:38:20.000 to the zeitgeist

00:38:21.800 and the shift culturally.

00:38:23.680 I've been talking about

00:38:24.520 how on Instagram...

00:38:25.640 Have you seen these

00:38:26.360 Instagram viral threads?

00:38:27.400 There's the George Floyd ones.

00:38:29.580 George Droid?

00:38:30.880 Those ones?

00:38:32.240 There's those.

00:38:33.640 But there's like...

00:38:34.700 I call it Floydgate

00:38:35.480 where now I think

00:38:36.560 we're seeing largely

00:38:37.300 like Indian people

00:38:38.320 are making

00:38:38.820 any AI George Floyd videos.

00:38:41.260 It's like it's one thing

00:38:42.320 when Derek Chauvin

00:38:42.980 is stealing fried chicken

00:38:43.700 from George Floyd.

00:38:44.700 It's another when

00:38:45.700 it's just George Floyd

00:38:46.700 with his baby

00:38:47.220 and his baby saying dada,

00:38:48.280 which is like it's getting crazy.

00:38:49.820 But there's a string of videos

00:38:51.340 that are appearing on Instagram

00:38:52.240 that are just racist jokes

00:38:53.680 and targeting everybody.

00:38:55.940 There's videos making fun

00:38:57.160 of fat white trash people.

00:38:58.600 But a lot of these anti-Indian...

00:39:01.440 I shouldn't call it anti-Indian,

00:39:02.500 but mocking Indians

00:39:03.440 where it's like

00:39:04.680 there's one where a judge goes,

00:39:07.200 for scamming,

00:39:07.860 you are being sentenced

00:39:08.820 to a 15-minute shower.

00:39:10.220 And the Indian guy goes,

00:39:11.380 no, please, not a shower.

00:39:12.680 And then it shows

00:39:13.440 an Indian guy screaming in a shower.

00:39:15.180 They have millions of views.

00:39:16.860 The reason I bring this up

00:39:17.520 is there was a video

00:39:18.200 that my friend told me about

00:39:20.020 who is not political.

00:39:22.760 This is a dude

00:39:24.440 who does not engage

00:39:25.540 in politics at all

00:39:26.200 and knows nothing about it.

00:39:27.700 And he said,

00:39:28.580 Instagram suggested

00:39:29.560 a Nick Fuentes reel

00:39:30.540 where Fuentes was saying,

00:39:33.620 everybody knows

00:39:35.540 that the crime is coming

00:39:37.240 from the black neighborhoods.

00:39:38.860 Nobody wants to live there.

00:39:40.800 He says it's irresponsible

00:39:42.340 to bring your wife and child

00:39:43.880 to black neighborhoods.

00:39:44.980 And everybody knows

00:39:46.020 when you talk about shootings

00:39:46.980 and crime,

00:39:47.900 you're talking about

00:39:48.720 black people

00:39:49.160 in black neighborhoods.

00:39:50.400 That has millions of views

00:39:52.760 and people I know that,

00:39:54.300 again, I'm stressing this,

00:39:55.520 who don't engage in politics

00:39:56.580 on Instagram,

00:39:57.360 who are watching videos

00:39:58.340 of Legos and Star Wars,

00:39:59.760 got recommended that.

00:40:01.240 That is crazy

00:40:02.500 that Instagram is promoting

00:40:03.800 that in their algorithm

00:40:04.720 and that people are sharing it

00:40:06.320 and all the comments

00:40:07.320 were like,

00:40:07.680 Fuentes is right.

00:40:08.700 Yeah.

00:40:09.200 So what do you think about that?

00:40:11.060 I'm saying that the perception,

00:40:12.420 when you brought up,

00:40:14.400 you made the comment

00:40:15.140 to Connor

00:40:16.220 about saying something

00:40:17.320 about black communities,

00:40:19.060 whether it is true or not

00:40:20.380 is not material

00:40:21.040 to what I'm pointing out.

00:40:21.800 I'm pointing out

00:40:22.380 that there is one.

00:40:24.080 Big tech is allowing

00:40:25.700 the narrative

00:40:26.140 and pushing it

00:40:26.800 and there are many people

00:40:28.520 who are now coming out

00:40:29.280 publicly saying,

00:40:30.160 yes, that's what I believe.

00:40:31.520 Yeah.

00:40:31.760 So I think this is exactly,

00:40:33.460 you know,

00:40:33.660 if there is a problem

00:40:34.800 in terms of the perception here

00:40:36.440 with respect to,

00:40:37.480 you know, race,

00:40:38.240 that's even more

00:40:39.160 of an issue

00:40:39.740 that we wouldn't want

00:40:40.640 the government

00:40:41.720 to be overstepping

00:40:43.340 its legal bounds

00:40:44.120 in terms of authoritarianism

00:40:45.240 and in terms of disappointment.

00:40:46.340 Why?

00:40:46.420 Because if we are concerned

00:40:48.000 that people will make

00:40:49.320 these kinds of stereotypes

00:40:50.180 and it will infringe

00:40:51.440 on other foundational protections

00:40:52.980 like legal protection,

00:40:54.020 that would be even more concerning.

00:40:55.040 What if they're true?

00:40:56.400 That black people,

00:40:57.160 well, it is true

00:40:57.680 that black people

00:40:58.080 disproportionately commit

00:40:59.400 more crime than white people.

00:41:01.440 So then what's the problem?

00:41:02.680 No, the problem

00:41:03.180 is the potential rights deprivation

00:41:04.520 that would you be okay with,

00:41:05.820 for example,

00:41:06.520 there being a lower standard

00:41:07.580 to stop black people

00:41:08.580 than white people go?

00:41:09.760 Yes.

00:41:10.580 So you're in favor of,

00:41:11.820 so just to be clear.

00:41:12.660 If it saves people's lives, yes.

00:41:13.800 Okay, so you're in favor

00:41:14.720 of black people

00:41:15.440 having a lower standard

00:41:16.380 of stop than white people.

00:41:17.800 This is where this kind of thinking gets.

00:41:19.260 So when you ask,

00:41:19.940 like, is this fascism?

00:41:20.880 This is the kind of fascistic thing.

00:41:22.020 It's not fascism.

00:41:22.240 I do want to,

00:41:22.560 hang on, hang on.

00:41:23.600 Sorry, Tim, I have to.

00:41:24.660 It's not fascism.

00:41:26.460 Inequality is not fascism.

00:41:28.100 Fascism is the sublimation

00:41:29.480 of everybody to the state.

00:41:31.700 It is a coherent philosophy.

00:41:33.220 It's a stupid philosophy,

00:41:34.140 but it's a coherent philosophy.

00:41:35.420 Saying fascism is just saying,

00:41:36.620 oh, you're noticing differences,

00:41:38.280 therefore you're evil.

00:41:39.540 No, no, no.

00:41:40.180 You're not just noticing differences.

00:41:42.040 I was happy to say that,

00:41:43.100 you know, the stats show

00:41:44.200 that disproportionately black people,

00:41:46.120 Hispanic people commit more crime

00:41:47.160 than white people.

00:41:47.740 I'm happy to notice things.

00:41:49.420 What you said is,

00:41:50.340 not just notice it,

00:41:51.680 but you want to apply

00:41:53.620 a different constitutional standard.

00:41:56.460 No, I didn't say constitutional standard.

00:41:57.680 A different search and seizure,

00:41:58.820 well, search and seizure

00:41:59.460 is adjudged under a constitutional standard,

00:42:01.640 the Fourth Amendment.

00:42:02.180 So under that amendment,

00:42:04.020 there's no like black people

00:42:05.500 get less search and seizure protections

00:42:07.200 than white people.

00:42:08.000 And you said,

00:42:08.560 I just want to be clear.

00:42:09.500 I'll give you an opportunity

00:42:10.400 to retract it.

00:42:11.740 Black people should have lower rights

00:42:13.880 under that search and seizure.

00:42:15.460 I didn't say lower rights.

00:42:15.580 You're being very disingenuous.

00:42:17.480 Go for it.

00:42:17.900 I'm saying this should be,

00:42:19.200 yeah.

00:42:19.640 Lower it for everybody

00:42:20.540 because right now,

00:42:21.520 you've got a ton of murder

00:42:23.040 and those who are innocent

00:42:24.220 will be protected.

00:42:25.600 So white people should be treated

00:42:26.680 the same as black people.

00:42:27.740 Is that right?

00:42:28.520 Hang on.

00:42:28.680 Legally speaking,

00:42:30.340 that's fine.

00:42:31.100 But you would be justified

00:42:32.320 in certain neighborhoods

00:42:33.240 which are disproportionately black

00:42:34.440 to have a harsher search

00:42:35.960 and seizure policy.

00:42:37.560 Like as in more police presence,

00:42:39.080 more stop and search

00:42:39.960 because it would save lives.

00:42:41.100 Hang on.

00:42:42.380 You could do it based off of region.

00:42:45.400 If you're doing it,

00:42:46.140 the region,

00:42:47.220 the region,

00:42:47.880 like it or not,

00:42:48.360 overlaps with ethnicity.

00:42:49.480 What's the melanin count?

00:42:50.860 You could say,

00:42:51.200 no, this is it.

00:42:52.000 You don't need to get a class watch out.

00:42:53.600 You could do a deployment

00:42:54.520 based on crime

00:42:55.360 and it happens to coincide

00:42:56.800 with race.

00:42:56.860 But it's not going to happen

00:42:57.460 to coincide.

00:42:57.900 But that's not what you said.

00:42:59.740 No, no, I'm.

00:43:00.680 No, no, no.

00:43:01.200 It's not going to happen

00:43:01.800 to coincide.

00:43:02.440 That's just the honesty about it.

00:43:03.640 You're going to deploy it

00:43:04.460 to black neighborhoods

00:43:05.040 to save the lives of black people

00:43:06.520 and other people.

00:43:07.420 Let me ask this real quick.

00:43:08.300 What do you think about

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00:44:46.280 You just can't buy guns.

00:44:48.060 Yeah, I think that

00:44:48.540 that's ridiculous, right?

00:44:50.060 Why?

00:44:50.960 Because the Second Amendment

00:44:52.240 protects people's

00:44:53.060 individual right

00:44:53.680 to own guns.

00:44:54.680 Yeah, but what if

00:44:55.320 they're a biochemical

00:44:56.820 engineered ticking time bomb

00:44:59.280 to kill Christian children?

00:45:01.200 If they are that?

00:45:02.800 Yeah.

00:45:03.280 Okay, if they are

00:45:04.160 a biological ticking time clock,

00:45:05.820 that's bad.

00:45:06.780 But not every trans person

00:45:08.200 is a biological ticking time bomb.

00:45:10.060 And it wouldn't justify it.

00:45:11.140 You could say that

00:45:11.700 about any group, right?

00:45:12.400 Well, maybe.

00:45:13.100 Hang on a second.

00:45:13.700 You can't.

00:45:14.320 Understand this logic.

00:45:15.760 You acknowledge

00:45:16.560 that there have been

00:45:17.040 Christian nationalist shooters,

00:45:18.380 right?

00:45:21.440 It's questionable?

00:45:22.420 I'd have to look

00:45:23.100 at the person

00:45:24.080 to determine whether or not

00:45:25.220 they're a Christian nationalist.

00:45:27.140 Do you think

00:45:27.740 that there hasn't been

00:45:28.540 at least one

00:45:29.440 Christian nationalist shooter?

00:45:31.600 Again, I'd have to look

00:45:32.740 at that guy

00:45:33.360 and see his views

00:45:34.520 to tell you what.

00:45:35.280 I'm a Christian nationalist.

00:45:36.600 Okay.

00:45:36.840 There are plenty of people

00:45:37.740 who call themselves

00:45:38.380 Christian nationalists.

00:45:39.000 Who do violence, right?

00:45:39.640 They are not Christian nationalists.

00:45:41.100 Okay.

00:45:41.560 They are not.

00:45:42.500 They at least self-report

00:45:43.740 as Christian nationalists.

00:45:44.960 There are always retorted people.

00:45:46.240 Some self-identifying,

00:45:47.700 if some self-identifying

00:45:48.660 Christian nationalists

00:45:49.580 went out and committed a shooting,

00:45:50.620 here's the difference.

00:45:51.080 Would you be like,

00:45:52.140 okay, well,

00:45:52.840 they're ticking time bombs

00:45:53.840 of violence

00:45:54.260 and they should take away

00:45:54.860 their gun or not.

00:45:55.620 Because there's a difference

00:45:56.540 in somebody having

00:45:57.480 a certain view

00:45:58.300 versus somebody

00:45:59.160 literally being chemically

00:46:00.480 engineered to be crazy.

00:46:02.900 These hormones actually,

00:46:04.540 we're talking about

00:46:05.200 a biological shift

00:46:06.520 that makes someone unstable.

00:46:08.260 I have a question

00:46:08.880 for a piece of game.

00:46:10.000 Because you said no, right?

00:46:11.320 Like trans people

00:46:11.760 should be allowed

00:46:12.000 to have guns.

00:46:12.440 Yes.

00:46:12.960 Do you agree?

00:46:13.360 Do you believe that,

00:46:15.640 I think the answer is yes.

00:46:17.140 I think they should be

00:46:17.980 allowed to have guns.

00:46:18.300 I don't think

00:46:18.620 the Second Amendment says

00:46:19.540 that you have the right

00:46:20.260 to keep in params

00:46:20.720 unless you're found

00:46:22.180 deficient by the state.

00:46:23.360 But do you think

00:46:24.460 under the DSM-5

00:46:26.100 certain mental disorders

00:46:28.000 would disqualify you

00:46:28.840 from owning guns?

00:46:29.500 Correct, yeah.

00:46:30.080 But transgenderism

00:46:30.860 is not a mental disorder.

00:46:31.560 So this is important.

00:46:33.680 It is.

00:46:33.920 What you're basically saying

00:46:34.540 is that you have

00:46:35.220 a personal opinion.

00:46:36.600 It should be.

00:46:37.500 Hold on.

00:46:38.480 What you're saying is

00:46:39.480 here's a list

00:46:40.540 of mental disorders.

00:46:42.060 You have an opinion

00:46:42.920 that some should

00:46:43.780 or should not be disqualifying.

00:46:44.880 Yeah.

00:46:45.260 I think none of them

00:46:45.960 should be disqualifying.

00:46:46.880 Okay, so schizophrenics

00:46:47.900 should be allowed

00:46:48.240 to own guns?

00:46:48.740 Yes.

00:46:49.160 No.

00:46:49.880 The Second Amendment says

00:46:51.240 the right to keep in barams

00:46:51.920 shall not be infringed.

00:46:52.640 You've got a problem

00:46:53.020 with it, amend it.

00:46:54.540 Okay.

00:46:54.960 I mean, then amend it.

00:46:56.760 I think that Scalia

00:46:57.660 and Heller said

00:46:59.860 that there are

00:47:00.180 certain categories

00:47:00.720 just because

00:47:01.200 it's something

00:47:01.620 with free speech.

00:47:02.680 He's wrong.

00:47:03.540 Indeed.

00:47:04.220 And so is Kavanaugh.

00:47:05.900 And so this is where

00:47:07.360 we get to an interesting

00:47:08.120 argument where you,

00:47:09.600 I believe,

00:47:10.680 are putting subjective

00:47:11.880 morals onto the Constitution,

00:47:12.940 which you accused us

00:47:13.460 of doing.

00:47:14.320 My argument is this.

00:47:16.040 The Founding Fathers

00:47:16.880 were pretty dang clear

00:47:18.600 when they were drafting

00:47:19.460 the Constitution,

00:47:20.060 the reasons for why

00:47:20.580 they were doing it

00:47:20.980 and what the Second Amendment

00:47:21.460 says.

00:47:22.280 We as a society

00:47:23.280 cannot exist

00:47:24.160 with a written Constitution

00:47:25.340 where we arbitrarily decide

00:47:27.380 without amending it

00:47:28.540 that we've changed it.

00:47:29.760 Yeah, okay.

00:47:30.540 I agree with that.

00:47:31.460 And I don't think

00:47:32.180 that I'm amending it

00:47:32.820 by incorporating

00:47:33.520 some standards

00:47:34.020 that were then existing.

00:47:34.840 That's what the Bruin case

00:47:36.400 recently,

00:47:37.200 which was much more

00:47:38.040 protective of Second Amendment

00:47:39.460 rights than before.

00:47:40.340 I mean, we have

00:47:40.980 a big protection

00:47:42.100 of Second Amendment

00:47:42.440 in recent cases.

00:47:43.220 Kids had guns.

00:47:44.240 But why do you value

00:47:45.180 the Second Amendment

00:47:46.280 more than like

00:47:46.900 the militia clauses

00:47:47.740 for purposes of like

00:47:48.760 the Standing Army situation?

00:47:50.240 You know,

00:47:50.340 the Second Amendment,

00:47:50.900 if anything,

00:47:51.700 is reifying,

00:47:53.300 is promoting the militia,

00:47:55.060 right?

00:47:55.320 The state-run militias.

00:47:57.220 Wrong.

00:47:57.780 A well-regulated militia

00:47:58.620 being necessary.

00:47:59.320 What does regulated mean?

00:48:00.840 I understand, yeah.

00:48:01.900 What does regulated mean?

00:48:03.040 Yeah, so I understand

00:48:04.100 that like

00:48:04.580 the Second Amendment

00:48:06.020 also incorporates

00:48:07.120 an individual right.

00:48:07.740 I'm not just saying...

00:48:08.160 What does regulated mean?

00:48:08.740 I'm not saying...

00:48:09.420 So regulation means

00:48:10.320 government restriction.

00:48:11.120 It does not.

00:48:11.640 It does, yeah.

00:48:12.980 Who are the regulars?

00:48:14.880 Who are the regulars?

00:48:15.820 Yeah, so in training as well.

00:48:17.760 So government's...

00:48:18.200 Okay, okay.

00:48:18.640 Hold on.

00:48:18.920 The government ability

00:48:19.260 to train...

00:48:20.160 I don't want to gloss over this.

00:48:21.680 Who were the regulars?

00:48:23.060 The states were in charge

00:48:24.240 of running their militias.

00:48:25.220 Who were the regulars?

00:48:26.920 Oh, sorry.

00:48:27.340 The regulars...

00:48:28.260 Is it proper noun?

00:48:29.880 Yeah, so a regular...

00:48:31.320 Militia people were

00:48:31.820 of the community.

00:48:32.640 I don't know what you mean

00:48:33.080 by regulars in that context.

00:48:33.820 Okay, so the soldiers

00:48:35.700 of the British Army

00:48:36.340 were called regulars.

00:48:37.220 Yeah.

00:48:38.280 Regulation back then

00:48:39.840 in this context

00:48:41.080 referred to functioning,

00:48:43.260 not government-sanctioned.

00:48:44.720 So the Second Amendment

00:48:45.980 anticipates the use

00:48:48.100 of the militia,

00:48:49.100 which are people...

00:48:49.780 Like, not regulars

00:48:51.040 in that sense...

00:48:51.840 Exactly.

00:48:52.120 ...but are part

00:48:52.800 of the community.

00:48:53.860 Are part...

00:48:54.220 Are members of the...

00:48:54.720 That's what the militia was.

00:48:55.940 Regulated in this context

00:48:57.040 means their guns

00:48:58.220 should be functioning

00:48:58.980 and equipped.

00:48:59.680 Again, I'm not having

00:49:00.780 a Second Amendment debate

00:49:02.440 with you on the merits.

00:49:04.140 I'm just telling you

00:49:04.880 that the Second Amendment

00:49:05.640 does, as understood

00:49:07.220 by the Supreme Court,

00:49:08.240 anticipate some individual rights,

00:49:09.440 so I'm not contesting that.

00:49:10.260 The point I bring up with this...

00:49:11.700 Why do you value

00:49:12.360 that right

00:49:13.380 over the other restrictions

00:49:14.700 in the Constitution

00:49:15.620 giving to Congress

00:49:16.880 the ability to regulate

00:49:17.980 the militia

00:49:18.940 and to set forth

00:49:20.640 for calling forth

00:49:21.180 the militia

00:49:21.600 that Trump is violating?

00:49:22.700 So you seem to respect

00:49:23.660 one part of the Constitution,

00:49:24.940 the Second Amendment,

00:49:25.920 more than Congress's power.

00:49:26.800 The right of the people

00:49:27.960 to keep in bear arms

00:49:31.000 because that's what it says.

00:49:32.000 I'm asking you a question.

00:49:32.980 Why do you respect

00:49:33.740 the Second Amendment

00:49:34.980 more than...

00:49:35.160 Because one is good

00:49:36.200 and the other one

00:49:37.440 is being used for bad.

00:49:38.900 No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:49:39.800 You just said

00:49:40.380 that you shouldn't do that.

00:49:41.120 You shouldn't interpose

00:49:42.080 your subjective opinion

00:49:43.120 before the framers' design.

00:49:45.500 That's what you said.

00:49:46.520 So can we,

00:49:48.500 without vote,

00:49:49.940 change the Constitution?

00:49:52.680 No, you shouldn't be able to, no.

00:49:53.900 So when it says

00:49:54.500 the right of the people

00:49:55.260 to keep in bear arms

00:49:56.020 shall not be infringed,

00:49:57.020 can we infringe upon the right

00:49:58.200 to keep in bear arms

00:49:58.740 without vote?

00:49:59.220 No.

00:50:00.020 Okay.

00:50:00.780 I don't understand.

00:50:01.300 You need to amend the Constitution.

00:50:02.680 In the meantime, though,

00:50:03.480 what you can do

00:50:04.220 is you can say

00:50:04.840 for the same reason

00:50:06.020 that people who are schizophrenic

00:50:07.860 can't own guns,

00:50:08.620 you could actually say

00:50:09.780 this is a condition

00:50:11.260 that bans somebody.

00:50:13.140 I'm approaching this

00:50:14.240 just from a logical platform

00:50:15.680 and this is why I think

00:50:16.560 conservatives, liberals,

00:50:17.940 libertarians, everybody,

00:50:19.240 maybe not the anarcho-capitalists,

00:50:20.740 are lying to themselves.

00:50:22.740 Why do you?

00:50:23.280 Nobody actually wants the Constitution.

00:50:25.660 They just use it

00:50:26.420 when it's convenient

00:50:26.940 for their ends.

00:50:27.540 That's correct.

00:50:28.200 No, no, hang on.

00:50:28.720 Hang on, hang on.

00:50:29.140 That's not true.

00:50:29.940 Yes, it is.

00:50:30.780 That is not true.

00:50:31.600 The Second Amendment

00:50:32.040 was never understood.

00:50:32.840 We had blasphemy laws

00:50:34.180 in this country

00:50:34.920 for hundreds of years.

00:50:35.860 Bring them back.

00:50:37.640 Bring them back.

00:50:39.000 Blue laws,

00:50:39.660 Sabbath laws,

00:50:40.400 let's go.

00:50:41.000 Talk about the First Amendment.

00:50:42.240 I'm ready for that one.

00:50:43.640 That's my point.

00:50:44.680 The Second Amendment

00:50:45.360 was never understood

00:50:46.440 to mean that

00:50:47.540 you can't put

00:50:48.440 any restrictions

00:50:49.280 on the ability

00:50:51.120 of people

00:50:51.420 to keep and bear arms.

00:50:52.780 For example,

00:50:53.380 ex-felons,

00:50:54.300 it was always understood

00:50:55.600 that the right

00:50:56.560 to keep and bear arms

00:50:57.840 does not extend

00:50:58.740 to ex-felons.

00:50:59.640 Yes, and also,

00:51:00.580 did you know that

00:51:01.200 in the 1800s,

00:51:02.460 it was commonplace

00:51:03.200 for local sheriffs

00:51:05.420 and big cities

00:51:06.800 to confiscate

00:51:07.580 the weapons of individuals

00:51:08.400 entering those towns?

00:51:10.080 The Constitution,

00:51:11.800 as people believe it to exist,

00:51:13.380 never existed.

00:51:14.960 Never did.

00:51:15.720 Right.

00:51:16.080 It may be the Third Amendment.

00:51:17.640 So even when you think

00:51:19.120 about blasphemy laws,

00:51:20.420 for instance,

00:51:20.940 if somebody blasphemed

00:51:22.380 Jesus Christ,

00:51:23.240 you're in trouble.

00:51:23.840 If somebody blasphemed

00:51:24.880 Muhammad a hundred years ago,

00:51:26.780 you're not in trouble.

00:51:27.460 Why?

00:51:27.820 Well, it's not equal

00:51:28.580 weights and measures.

00:51:29.680 No, it doesn't need

00:51:30.400 to be equal weights

00:51:31.000 and measures.

00:51:31.360 Now it's the aware of it.

00:51:32.220 One God is true.

00:51:33.240 That's correct.

00:51:33.760 One God is true

00:51:34.440 and the other one is false.

00:51:35.700 And it's the political will

00:51:37.300 of the people

00:51:38.060 who ultimately

00:51:38.880 are determining that.

00:51:40.100 So it's not,

00:51:41.220 well, we have all these laws

00:51:42.160 and we have the Constitution

00:51:42.900 to bind us

00:51:43.900 and to restrain us

00:51:44.900 from doing good.

00:51:45.960 Do you respect the Constitution?

00:51:47.480 I respect the Constitution

00:51:49.140 insofar as it aligns

00:51:50.700 with the immutable law of God

00:51:52.080 and insofar as the laws

00:51:53.560 used lawfully.

00:51:54.360 The book of James says

00:51:55.300 the law is good

00:51:56.540 so long as it's being

00:51:57.460 used lawfully.

00:51:58.300 You want to use laws

00:51:59.260 to ensure that more people

00:52:00.480 are still murdered.

00:52:01.860 I want to use laws

00:52:02.980 to promote...

00:52:04.360 Criminalize blasphemy.

00:52:05.420 Yeah.

00:52:05.740 What?

00:52:06.100 To criminalize blasphemy.

00:52:06.920 Oh, absolutely.

00:52:08.040 Of course.

00:52:08.880 Yes.

00:52:09.280 I want to use laws

00:52:10.560 to stop wickedness

00:52:12.240 Who decides what's blasphemous?

00:52:13.280 And promote goodness.

00:52:13.980 What?

00:52:14.340 Who decides what's blasphemous?

00:52:15.120 The guy with the gun.

00:52:16.240 One, the Lord Jesus Christ,

00:52:18.620 the triune God.

00:52:19.160 He's not around to tell us.

00:52:20.400 Secondly,

00:52:21.120 you can look to our heritage.

00:52:22.600 You can look to our history.

00:52:23.980 You can look to

00:52:24.720 what the nation was

00:52:25.780 and its founding.

00:52:25.800 Well, our heritage says

00:52:26.580 First Amendment,

00:52:27.540 the very first line.

00:52:28.480 Congress shall make no law

00:52:29.420 respecting an establishment.

00:52:30.160 Correct.

00:52:30.560 Congress.

00:52:31.020 Let's get there.

00:52:31.580 So First Amendment,

00:52:32.340 let's make it even simpler.

00:52:33.600 First word of the First Amendment.

00:52:35.480 You're right.

00:52:35.960 Congress cannot make

00:52:37.020 a national church.

00:52:37.940 So you cannot have

00:52:38.680 a federal church

00:52:39.460 over the whole country

00:52:40.440 that is Episcopalian

00:52:41.820 or Catholic

00:52:42.360 or Baptist

00:52:42.900 or whatever.

00:52:43.740 But at the time

00:52:44.700 that that happened,

00:52:45.560 you still had

00:52:46.280 within, you know,

00:52:47.160 the original colonies,

00:52:48.560 10 or 11 out of the 13 colonies

00:52:51.000 had sanctioned churches.

00:52:52.800 So technically,

00:52:53.660 even with the First Amendment

00:52:54.700 as it is on the books today,

00:52:56.460 you could have state churches.

00:52:57.920 Texas could be, you know,

00:52:59.020 Baptist

00:52:59.340 and Mississippi

00:52:59.940 could be Presbyterian.

00:53:01.400 You could have state churches.

00:53:02.600 I'm not even saying

00:53:03.200 that you should,

00:53:03.800 but you could have state churches.

00:53:05.060 What I would argue for

00:53:06.160 at the national level

00:53:07.360 is a pan-Protestant

00:53:08.820 Christian nationalism.

00:53:09.740 I think we should adopt

00:53:11.320 a preamble.

00:53:12.260 That's a religion, isn't it?

00:53:13.440 What?

00:53:13.840 Isn't that a religion?

00:53:14.440 That's religion.

00:53:15.020 Religion is a religion.

00:53:15.840 Congress can't determine

00:53:16.500 a religion.

00:53:17.560 Congress cannot say

00:53:18.700 at the national level

00:53:19.760 this is...

00:53:20.200 The 14th Amendment

00:53:20.660 incorporates the First Amendment

00:53:22.160 to apply to the states,

00:53:22.920 I'll say,

00:53:23.380 and the Second Amendment

00:53:24.320 also didn't use to apply

00:53:25.220 to the state governments.

00:53:26.360 Are you suggesting

00:53:26.900 under your framework,

00:53:28.580 you would not want

00:53:29.440 the Second Amendment...

00:53:29.920 Under my theocratic framework.

00:53:31.220 So under your theocratic...

00:53:32.580 You called it a theocracy.

00:53:33.960 Yes, of course.

00:53:35.120 Theocracy is wonderful.

00:53:36.120 Okay, got it.

00:53:36.820 So this is what I mean.

00:53:37.800 God above the state.

00:53:39.140 So separation of church

00:53:40.220 and state

00:53:40.520 is not the same

00:53:41.200 as separation of Christ

00:53:42.340 and state.

00:53:43.040 There will be a God

00:53:44.020 above the state.

00:53:44.620 If there's no God

00:53:45.220 above the state,

00:53:45.740 then the state becomes God.

00:53:47.340 So yes, I want Christ

00:53:48.760 and state, not severed.

00:53:50.380 Church and state,

00:53:51.360 that's different.

00:53:51.980 So we can have

00:53:52.400 some corrupt priests

00:53:53.400 telling us what we're

00:53:54.100 allowed to say and not?

00:53:54.760 Nope, that's an ecclesiocracy.

00:53:56.500 That's a church-run state.

00:53:57.840 I'm saying theocracy.

00:53:58.340 Whatever you want to call it.

00:53:59.400 Your corrupt ministers,

00:54:00.680 your corrupt people...

00:54:01.440 No, but what you're saying

00:54:02.500 is not what I'm saying.

00:54:03.360 Okay, that's what's

00:54:04.200 going to happen, though.

00:54:04.800 No, you're talking about

00:54:06.420 priests running the state.

00:54:08.340 That's a church-run state.

00:54:09.620 I'm saying a theocracy,

00:54:10.980 not ecclesiasticity.

00:54:11.640 So this is...

00:54:12.640 It will happen.

00:54:14.100 I agree with Pisco,

00:54:14.880 but it'll happen

00:54:15.360 in any system

00:54:15.880 among any group of people

00:54:16.680 for any reason.

00:54:17.200 Correct.

00:54:17.500 So we have priests

00:54:18.380 who are running things right now.

00:54:19.580 And the priest,

00:54:20.720 the high priestesses,

00:54:21.860 have blue hair.

00:54:23.060 They're transgender.

00:54:24.240 They're lesbian.

00:54:24.880 They abort a million babies

00:54:27.040 every single year.

00:54:27.880 We have sacraments.

00:54:28.880 It's not whether but which.

00:54:30.220 Right now, we have sacraments.

00:54:31.620 Our sacraments are that we...

00:54:33.160 It's the blood of unborn children.

00:54:34.600 Our sacraments are

00:54:35.700 transgender surgeries to minors.

00:54:38.920 Every society has a God.

00:54:41.540 Every society has an orthodoxy.

00:54:43.500 And we have blasphemy laws,

00:54:45.020 not necessarily on the books,

00:54:46.420 but in terms of cultural power.

00:54:48.060 Every society of people

00:54:49.320 has an orthodoxy.

00:54:50.660 Anything that's deemed

00:54:51.560 outside of that

00:54:52.340 is going to be considered blasphemy.

00:54:54.340 There are things

00:54:54.800 that I could say right now,

00:54:55.820 which I won't,

00:54:56.660 but things that I could say

00:54:57.500 right now that would be

00:54:58.380 treated as blasphemy.

00:54:59.560 I would ruin my life.

00:55:00.680 I wouldn't be able

00:55:01.280 to feed my kids.

00:55:02.400 That's every society.

00:55:04.100 Every society.

00:55:04.560 Would you criminalize

00:55:05.500 apostasy and heresy?

00:55:08.460 No.

00:55:09.380 Okay.

00:55:09.700 So if somebody's not a Christian,

00:55:11.560 right?

00:55:11.720 This is not the way

00:55:12.560 that our country was

00:55:13.860 in the very beginning.

00:55:14.720 It would not be mandated

00:55:15.860 church attendance, right?

00:55:17.040 The Sabbath...

00:55:17.820 We're talking about

00:55:18.600 Chick-fil-A, guys.

00:55:19.560 It's not the end of the world.

00:55:20.700 It would be okay.

00:55:22.060 When I can't get

00:55:22.880 my grilled nuggies...

00:55:24.000 Yeah, it's frustrating.

00:55:25.280 But you know what?

00:55:25.960 If you just go to church

00:55:27.480 all day, Tim,

00:55:28.140 you would be okay.

00:55:28.940 You know what I mean?

00:55:29.380 You'd forget about it.

00:55:30.240 Surely the libertarian.

00:55:31.020 You have something

00:55:31.440 to say about this.

00:55:32.360 I mean, why do you just say

00:55:33.320 it's all...

00:55:33.660 You put your hands

00:55:34.400 up in the air.

00:55:34.640 I'm not a child.

00:55:35.460 What's that?

00:55:35.940 Because I'm not a child.

00:55:38.860 Michael Males...

00:55:39.620 Apostasy would not...

00:55:40.440 Just real quick.

00:55:41.340 Apostasy would not be criminalized.

00:55:43.000 So think of it like this.

00:55:44.440 The Ten Commandments.

00:55:45.120 I think this is helpful.

00:55:45.960 I'll say it quick

00:55:46.400 and I'll let it go.

00:55:47.880 Think of the First

00:55:49.060 and the Tenth Commandments.

00:55:50.380 All right, I'm Protestant.

00:55:51.040 Okay, so the Catholics

00:55:52.840 are going to take

00:55:53.840 the Tenth Commandment

00:55:55.200 of thou shalt not covet

00:55:56.500 and bifurcate it into two.

00:55:58.360 Don't covet stuff

00:55:59.120 and then don't covet the wife.

00:56:00.540 You know, and that's

00:56:01.440 so they can get rid

00:56:02.220 of the Second Commandment

00:56:03.060 which is do not make

00:56:04.240 graven images

00:56:04.820 because the Catholics

00:56:05.460 like their images.

00:56:06.280 All right, so I'm a Protestant

00:56:07.080 so bear with me.

00:56:08.780 First Commandment is

00:56:09.940 thou shalt have no other gods

00:56:10.980 before me.

00:56:11.480 Last Commandment is

00:56:12.840 do not covet.

00:56:14.060 Two tables...

00:56:14.700 Ten Commandments

00:56:15.240 but think of it

00:56:15.940 as two headlines,

00:56:16.880 two subcategories.

00:56:17.800 Tables of the law.

00:56:19.140 Our duty toward God,

00:56:20.380 love the Lord your God,

00:56:21.020 with all your heart, soul,

00:56:21.820 mind, strength.

00:56:22.720 And then the second is

00:56:23.580 love your neighbor as yourself.

00:56:24.560 The first four of the Ten Commandments

00:56:25.940 deal with our love for God.

00:56:27.620 Have no other gods before me.

00:56:28.720 Don't make any graven images.

00:56:29.920 Don't take the Lord's name in vain

00:56:31.020 and remember the Sabbath.

00:56:32.380 The next six,

00:56:33.200 second table of the law now

00:56:34.220 pertaining to our love for neighbor

00:56:35.360 is honor your father and mother.

00:56:37.120 Don't murder.

00:56:38.040 Don't commit adultery.

00:56:39.760 Don't bear false witness

00:56:41.160 and don't covet.

00:56:42.180 The Tenth Commandment,

00:56:43.040 I don't want any police state

00:56:44.640 enforcing the Tenth Commandment

00:56:46.000 because coveting is a sin

00:56:48.100 but biblically speaking

00:56:49.260 and all through the Old Testament

00:56:50.680 and in America's history,

00:56:52.220 coveting was a sin

00:56:53.060 but it was never viewed as a crime.

00:56:54.780 Right?

00:56:54.980 You don't want like a Tom Cruise

00:56:56.420 minority report

00:56:57.320 where they're trying to predict crimes

00:56:58.820 and sins of the heart.

00:57:00.180 Well, I don't.

00:57:00.800 Yeah, neither do I.

00:57:02.380 Well, I don't know.

00:57:02.960 You support this deployment.

00:57:03.900 No, I don't.

00:57:04.480 Let me finish.

00:57:05.360 So coveting is a sin.

00:57:06.860 It's not a crime.

00:57:07.660 So it's like,

00:57:08.000 so then when is this Tenth Commandment,

00:57:09.760 it's one of the Tenth Commandments,

00:57:10.740 when is it punished?

00:57:11.840 It's punished when an individual

00:57:13.280 doesn't check coveting

00:57:15.060 at the level of the heart

00:57:15.940 and it spills over into theft

00:57:17.660 or to murder

00:57:18.620 or to,

00:57:19.440 it's when it breaches,

00:57:20.520 now it's a crime.

00:57:21.420 It's an outward action

00:57:22.580 that is against the people

00:57:23.800 and against the Lord.

00:57:25.180 And so too,

00:57:25.880 with the first table of the law,

00:57:26.860 look at the first commandment,

00:57:28.200 have no other gods before me.

00:57:29.640 So are we going to be,

00:57:30.740 that's a sin,

00:57:31.400 not a crime.

00:57:31.780 Am I going to be punishing people

00:57:33.420 for their idolatry

00:57:34.920 and their heart?

00:57:35.460 No.

00:57:35.900 But if it spills over into action,

00:57:37.720 so if a guy...

00:57:38.740 For example,

00:57:39.460 public prayers to Muhammad.

00:57:40.980 So if a,

00:57:41.520 well, yes,

00:57:42.300 if a guy apostatizes

00:57:43.860 privately in his heart

00:57:45.080 and stops attending church,

00:57:46.620 that's one thing.

00:57:47.580 But if that guy

00:57:48.260 forms the Sisters

00:57:49.680 of Perpetual Indulgence

00:57:51.000 is doing parades,

00:57:52.500 mocking and blaspheming

00:57:53.600 Jesus Christ

00:57:54.380 with adulterous nuns

00:57:56.140 in front of children,

00:57:57.520 okay,

00:57:57.800 now it's a crime.

00:57:58.600 Or publicly stating that,

00:57:59.500 you know,

00:57:59.760 Jesus is not divine.

00:58:00.620 For example,

00:58:00.980 if a Jewish person

00:58:02.740 publicly states

00:58:03.780 and rejects

00:58:04.560 the divinity of Jesus Christ,

00:58:05.520 that would be a public action

00:58:06.600 that you could be sanctioned for.

00:58:07.700 There's a difference

00:58:08.520 in somebody,

00:58:09.320 in free speech

00:58:10.160 and somebody saying

00:58:11.260 something publicly

00:58:12.400 versus having prayer sirens

00:58:13.980 five times a day

00:58:15.040 in an American city,

00:58:16.460 calls to prayer.

00:58:17.660 That should be illegal.

00:58:19.360 And church bells

00:58:20.120 should be legal

00:58:21.040 for two reasons.

00:58:21.760 One,

00:58:22.040 church bells are pretty,

00:58:23.160 sirens are not.

00:58:23.940 Second,

00:58:24.380 we're a Christian nation

00:58:25.420 and we're not Islamic.

00:58:26.880 Well,

00:58:27.420 I think church bells

00:58:28.280 should be legal

00:58:28.740 because it tells me

00:58:29.180 what time it is.

00:58:29.660 Yeah,

00:58:30.220 it's helpful.

00:58:30.880 I'm half kidding.

00:58:31.620 But I want to answer your question.

00:58:33.340 You're a libertarian.

00:58:34.460 You know,

00:58:34.560 you put your hands up.

00:58:36.620 I love telling this story

00:58:37.740 and I'll say it again

00:58:38.780 and I hope all the skateboarders here,

00:58:40.220 we have a skate park here.

00:58:41.400 It's called Boonies.

00:58:41.860 We did our first event,

00:58:43.140 Boonies Skate Night.

00:58:44.680 First place,

00:58:45.520 won $3,000

00:58:46.220 for a game of skate.

00:58:47.740 It's,

00:58:47.960 I think it was about

00:58:49.420 12 minutes of work

00:58:51.500 for one skater.

00:58:53.340 It was a guarantee of $1,000.

00:58:55.880 The winner getting three.

00:58:57.180 We're hoping

00:58:57.600 if we get some sponsors,

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01:00:01.340 one game of skateboards.

01:00:02.820 I was not familiar,

01:00:03.240 it's like playing horse

01:00:04.020 in basketball.

01:00:04.740 I go, do what I did.

01:00:06.080 If you don't,

01:00:06.420 you get a letter.

01:00:06.880 If you get five letters,

01:00:07.540 you lose.

01:00:07.660 You gotta follow

01:00:08.180 what the other guy does.

01:00:09.060 Here's the best thing.

01:00:10.240 Before we did the event,

01:00:12.140 we had a small channel,

01:00:12.920 it's got 10,000 subscribers.

01:00:14.140 We've sold a lot of skateboards.

01:00:15.120 It's pretty good.

01:00:15.980 And we've signed

01:00:16.800 some professional athletes.

01:00:18.540 We have a great team.

01:00:19.720 And the community,

01:00:21.680 which is not really

01:00:22.200 skateboarders, whatever.

01:00:23.160 It's a bunch of activists.

01:00:23.840 They're lefty.

01:00:25.820 They're very, very left.

01:00:26.820 And they attacked us.

01:00:27.800 They called us white supremacists.

01:00:28.800 They insulted us.

01:00:30.160 They threatened anybody

01:00:31.420 who would dare come here

01:00:32.400 to skate with us

01:00:33.300 as you'll lose your sponsors.

01:00:35.780 We'll make sure

01:00:36.540 you never work again

01:00:37.720 in the industry.

01:00:38.360 They threatened you

01:00:39.120 for being a white supremacist?

01:00:40.760 They threatened anybody

01:00:41.920 who would come skate here?

01:00:43.520 I feel like you're

01:00:44.180 the most moderate person

01:00:45.460 I've ever listened to.

01:00:46.720 How do you get so much flack?

01:00:48.600 Because being a disaffected,

01:00:50.580 I'm an apostate.

01:00:52.200 I'm a liberal apostate.

01:00:54.040 So here's the point

01:00:54.900 I'm getting to.

01:00:55.360 When you ask me about

01:00:56.220 his worldview

01:00:57.040 and whether I'd be

01:00:58.360 opposed or angry.

01:01:00.480 So we do the event

01:01:01.600 and they start attacking

01:01:03.700 the people who've attended

01:01:04.600 before we do the event.

01:01:06.500 They're attacking the people

01:01:07.500 who want to come.

01:01:08.980 They're attacking athletes

01:01:09.840 we've worked with.

01:01:11.100 I've gotten messages

01:01:12.020 from professional athletes

01:01:12.860 saying things like,

01:01:13.980 I wish I could come out there

01:01:15.380 but I would lose my job.

01:01:16.480 My sponsors will kick me off.

01:01:17.380 I can't do it.

01:01:18.440 Then we offered $3,000

01:01:19.940 for one day

01:01:21.320 for just a few minutes of work

01:01:23.300 plus we did something

01:01:24.060 called Tips for Tricks

01:01:24.940 where if you landed tricks

01:01:26.320 we call it

01:01:26.680 we gave you $100 bills.

01:01:28.240 Guess what they're all saying now?

01:01:29.740 Can I please come?

01:01:31.280 Because the only thing

01:01:32.060 that actually mattered

01:01:32.820 was the fear of force.

01:01:35.740 And so I am not a child.

01:01:38.320 Michael Malice

01:01:39.080 is a much more learned man

01:01:40.160 on this but I agree with him.

01:01:41.840 And he said,

01:01:42.500 Tim, you're an anarchist.

01:01:43.340 And I'm like,

01:01:43.640 I understand what you're saying.

01:01:44.320 I've referred to myself

01:01:45.000 as a philosophical anarchist

01:01:46.380 in understanding...

01:01:47.380 You're a libertarian.

01:01:47.880 That's an anarchist.

01:01:49.100 But I'm not big

01:01:49.960 on libertarian or anything like that.

01:01:51.200 And I don't think it's...

01:01:52.800 I would argue that

01:01:54.000 I'm a philosophical anarchist

01:01:55.320 who likes the American

01:01:57.320 classical to traditional liberalism.

01:01:59.260 What the fuck

01:01:59.540 does your skate park

01:02:00.160 have to do with anything?

01:02:01.060 I'm asking like,

01:02:01.840 why...

01:02:02.640 Can't you just condemn

01:02:03.520 his worldview there?

01:02:04.440 I mean,

01:02:04.640 the society he wants to create

01:02:06.040 is the theocratic one.

01:02:07.700 When they threaten

01:02:08.420 the livelihoods of people,

01:02:10.220 they bend the knee.

01:02:11.560 When I countered and said,

01:02:12.900 I will give you more money

01:02:13.920 than they're offering you,

01:02:14.920 their opinions changed.

01:02:16.760 Yes.

01:02:17.180 So when you say

01:02:17.880 his worldview is bad,

01:02:19.180 I say,

01:02:20.000 your worldview is bad too.

01:02:21.660 And the only thing

01:02:22.440 that dictates

01:02:23.080 whether or not

01:02:23.500 my rights will be infringed

01:02:24.380 is who's pointing

01:02:25.200 the gun at me.

01:02:25.720 You just said

01:02:26.080 your worldview is bad too,

01:02:27.540 so you disagree

01:02:28.180 with his theocratic aspirations.

01:02:30.680 I disagree with both of you.

01:02:31.820 But why can't you just say,

01:02:32.640 yeah, I disagree?

01:02:33.000 I think that's stupid.

01:02:33.640 He mainly disagrees

01:02:34.140 with you though.

01:02:35.680 No, I'm just kidding.

01:02:36.280 He doesn't have a gun

01:02:37.120 pointed at me.

01:02:38.000 And the moment

01:02:38.800 when he and all of his people

01:02:40.300 point a gun at me

01:02:40.960 and say,

01:02:41.480 proclaim Jesus Lord,

01:02:42.420 then I'm going to say...

01:02:44.060 Just for the record,

01:02:44.800 that's never been a thing.

01:02:45.960 Right, right.

01:02:47.220 I'm not trying to accuse you

01:02:48.300 of actually doing that.

01:02:48.880 I'm saying,

01:02:49.820 when,

01:02:51.000 if,

01:02:52.140 you know,

01:02:52.420 I made a comment

01:02:53.260 to Adam Conover

01:02:54.460 about how he would never

01:02:55.240 mock Muhammad

01:02:56.020 in the UK.

01:02:57.760 And we actually got

01:02:58.800 some Islamic protesters

01:02:59.700 at one of our events,

01:03:00.460 I guess they were mad

01:03:01.100 because I had said that.

01:03:02.940 I'm going to tell them

01:03:03.680 they're wrong

01:03:04.040 and I can say

01:03:04.400 whatever I want.

01:03:06.500 Don't play, right?

01:03:07.740 But there's a reality.

01:03:08.860 As you already pointed out,

01:03:09.840 there are things you can say

01:03:10.980 that you believe

01:03:12.300 that will destroy your life.

01:03:13.520 Absolutely.

01:03:14.080 Because there is a threat

01:03:14.980 of force against you

01:03:16.020 to destroy your access

01:03:17.100 to resources.

01:03:18.220 So when you're like,

01:03:18.920 his worldview is bad,

01:03:19.900 I'm like,

01:03:20.860 Barack Obama's worldview is bad.

01:03:22.400 He blew up fucking kids.

01:03:23.760 Okay?

01:03:24.420 We will call out the bad things

01:03:25.960 when we don't agree with them,

01:03:26.840 but there's a reality

01:03:27.720 to the functions of politics

01:03:28.860 in this country.

01:03:29.760 The Second Amendment

01:03:30.540 never applied until 2010.

01:03:33.100 And so all the gun rights advocates

01:03:34.320 who are like,

01:03:34.780 I have a right to do this.

01:03:35.860 You didn't.

01:03:36.680 Heller,

01:03:36.880 it was D.C. versus Heller

01:03:39.260 that finally determined

01:03:40.920 an individual right

01:03:41.600 to keep in our arms

01:03:42.040 and it wasn't until

01:03:42.740 McDonald v. Chicago

01:03:43.720 where it actually applied

01:03:44.840 to the whole country.

01:03:45.840 Right.

01:03:46.200 So the argument

01:03:46.700 that we in this country

01:03:47.680 since 1789

01:03:48.360 had a right to keep in our arms,

01:03:49.560 not correct.

01:03:50.500 Blasphemy laws existed.

01:03:51.940 You were illegally searched

01:03:53.060 and seized all the time.

01:03:54.640 We have these amendments,

01:03:56.640 but the culture...

01:03:57.120 But we're looking

01:03:57.580 for the more perfect union.

01:03:58.920 Yeah, there are times

01:03:59.520 in our history

01:03:59.920 where we have not been true

01:04:00.960 to our official principles.

01:04:01.500 To have the more perfect union

01:04:02.700 you need the more perfect people.

01:04:03.880 The 9th and 10th Amendment.

01:04:04.580 We don't have the people.

01:04:05.540 The 9th and 10th Amendment

01:04:06.440 don't even need to exist.

01:04:08.540 All I'm trying to say

01:04:09.080 is just because

01:04:09.760 there have been times

01:04:10.940 and I agree with you,

01:04:12.280 especially on the

01:04:12.880 First Amendment stuff,

01:04:13.820 where we have not lived up

01:04:14.860 to our constitutional ideals.

01:04:16.360 We never have.

01:04:17.360 We've never perfectly done so.

01:04:18.600 You're correct.

01:04:19.060 We currently have laws

01:04:20.280 on the books

01:04:20.740 that Congress has made

01:04:21.500 respecting establishments

01:04:22.660 of speech and religion.

01:04:24.520 I think that that's arguable,

01:04:25.860 yeah.

01:04:26.280 I think that some of them,

01:04:27.800 yeah.

01:04:28.080 I think that we probably

01:04:29.080 disagree on some of that.

01:04:29.740 If we're going to read

01:04:30.680 the letter of the law

01:04:31.520 pertaining to free speech,

01:04:32.740 the idea that the government

01:04:35.120 can make it illegal

01:04:35.940 to incite

01:04:36.640 violates the First Amendment.

01:04:38.080 No, no, no.

01:04:38.600 Because when they were doing

01:04:39.580 the freedom of speech

01:04:40.940 as understood by the framers

01:04:42.600 didn't include defamation.

01:04:44.220 You're making

01:04:44.860 an opinion argument.

01:04:46.280 Do you think that

01:04:46.660 the First Amendment

01:04:47.140 includes child pornography?

01:04:48.420 Of course not.

01:04:49.240 The point is

01:04:50.020 if we read it

01:04:50.840 to the letter of law,

01:04:51.500 the idea that you can say anything.

01:04:53.560 But that's not what

01:04:54.160 the First Amendment

01:04:54.660 ever understood.

01:04:56.120 The Constitution is never.

01:04:57.520 When the founding fathers

01:04:58.520 said First Amendment,

01:04:59.540 you'd walk outside

01:05:00.400 and blaspheme,

01:05:00.940 they'd arrest you.

01:05:01.440 They didn't believe

01:05:02.620 in your right

01:05:03.000 to express your opinions.

01:05:04.200 That's right.

01:05:04.520 So one of the first things

01:05:06.740 that the Adams administration did

01:05:08.400 or I don't know

01:05:10.360 if the first thing

01:05:10.740 but one of the things

01:05:11.180 that it did

01:05:11.480 was pass the sedition laws

01:05:13.000 which basically made it

01:05:14.140 a crime to insult

01:05:15.220 the president

01:05:15.700 or criticize the president.

01:05:17.020 It's crazy.

01:05:17.580 We agree.

01:05:17.940 We agree.

01:05:18.260 I'm not saying.

01:05:19.000 They never, never believe

01:05:20.720 that false people's free.

01:05:21.400 But that value,

01:05:21.880 that doesn't mean

01:05:22.200 that we should abandon the value.

01:05:23.400 That doesn't mean

01:05:23.720 that we should not

01:05:24.260 try to be perfect.

01:05:25.380 The point is

01:05:25.960 when you're arguing

01:05:27.080 more perfect,

01:05:27.760 you're saying

01:05:28.200 where I feel

01:05:29.100 we should go morally.

01:05:29.940 No, no.

01:05:31.600 Where I think

01:05:32.200 that we should

01:05:32.640 more approximate

01:05:33.700 that ideal,

01:05:35.060 the constitutional ideal.

01:05:35.340 Can I ask you real quick

01:05:35.940 about federalizing

01:05:36.860 the National Guard?

01:05:38.260 So I thought about this

01:05:39.320 on the way over here.

01:05:41.220 I think it was 1957

01:05:42.720 and I believe

01:05:43.720 it was Eisenhower

01:05:44.580 that he actually

01:05:46.280 federalized

01:05:47.080 the National Guard

01:05:48.220 and sent them in

01:05:48.940 to Little Rock, Arkansas

01:05:50.240 during desegregation.

01:05:52.660 And so there was

01:05:53.640 an all-white school there

01:05:55.040 and the governor

01:05:55.900 of Arkansas,

01:05:57.720 you know,

01:05:58.000 this is a classic

01:05:58.540 Arkansas move right here,

01:05:59.880 but was saying,

01:06:01.100 no, we're not going

01:06:01.620 to desegregate.

01:06:02.360 We're going to keep

01:06:02.800 our all-white school.

01:06:04.140 And the National Guard

01:06:05.500 was federalized

01:06:06.580 by Eisenhower

01:06:07.360 to bring in

01:06:08.120 and help march in

01:06:09.440 with guns

01:06:10.300 and all those things,

01:06:10.960 the black students

01:06:11.680 into the school

01:06:12.500 to desegregate

01:06:15.220 that school.

01:06:16.700 Do you,

01:06:17.280 I'm just curious,

01:06:18.080 do you feel like

01:06:18.860 that was a just use

01:06:20.660 of the National Guard?

01:06:21.880 So I'm not sure

01:06:22.460 what the then-existing

01:06:23.300 statutes were

01:06:23.980 for authorization

01:06:24.520 of the National Guard

01:06:25.420 for the federal

01:06:26.200 if they were the same

01:06:26.820 as they are now,

01:06:27.380 but to answer your question,

01:06:29.260 you know,

01:06:29.540 and I think one of those

01:06:30.480 situations,

01:06:30.960 it was the U.S. Marshals

01:06:31.840 and I'm not sure,

01:06:32.460 that is civilian law enforcement,

01:06:34.300 but in the main,

01:06:35.080 No, this was National Guard.

01:06:36.220 There was a potential

01:06:36.800 for a nullification crisis there

01:06:38.360 where you have the state,

01:06:39.800 it's not like the state governor

01:06:42.120 in that situation

01:06:43.280 was actively obstructing,

01:06:44.960 you know,

01:06:45.480 Brown versus Board

01:06:46.260 and the federal laws

01:06:47.460 in the books

01:06:47.780 with respect to equal protection.

01:06:49.300 So in those situations,

01:06:50.720 I can imagine being okay

01:06:51.860 with it,

01:06:52.120 I would need to examine

01:06:52.880 the legal context

01:06:53.920 and the facts

01:06:54.340 to understand

01:06:54.980 if it makes sense

01:06:55.760 of the law.

01:06:55.920 Do you think equal protection

01:06:56.940 applies to you have

01:06:58.520 to go to the same school?

01:07:00.100 I don't know that that was,

01:07:01.300 so it means you can't

01:07:02.440 racially discriminate

01:07:03.180 on the basis of

01:07:05.220 for elementary schools

01:07:06.620 and for primary schools.

01:07:06.680 It was court ruling,

01:07:07.780 Supreme Court ruling,

01:07:08.700 and because of that,

01:07:09.660 now they're saying,

01:07:10.640 well,

01:07:10.900 we have a different set

01:07:12.460 of rules,

01:07:13.360 and, you know,

01:07:14.180 when the governor

01:07:14.700 and local authorities

01:07:15.780 did not adhere to that,

01:07:17.060 then you had the National Guard

01:07:18.280 coming in and forcing it.

01:07:19.440 Do you think,

01:07:19.840 here's my question,

01:07:20.760 take the legality out of it,

01:07:21.920 and I know you don't like that,

01:07:22.800 you've been pretty clear about it,

01:07:24.220 but do you think

01:07:24.980 that was good?

01:07:25.900 Do you think

01:07:26.240 it was morally good?

01:07:27.640 To integrate schools?

01:07:29.000 Yes.

01:07:29.540 Well, no,

01:07:30.140 more particular,

01:07:31.360 being more particular,

01:07:33.520 do you think

01:07:33.980 it was morally good

01:07:34.900 to go against

01:07:35.840 the local governing authorities

01:07:37.700 to force

01:07:38.720 the integration of schools?

01:07:40.700 I do.

01:07:41.520 Okay,

01:07:41.940 so,

01:07:42.580 but why not,

01:07:43.860 so if you're saying

01:07:44.620 it's a moral,

01:07:46.240 universal good,

01:07:47.560 I didn't say,

01:07:48.040 I don't know what you mean

01:07:48.700 by universal good.

01:07:49.260 Okay,

01:07:49.580 it was a moral good

01:07:50.760 at the time

01:07:51.420 to make sure

01:07:52.200 that different races

01:07:53.180 of students

01:07:54.160 are in the same school together.

01:07:57.320 How come you don't want

01:07:58.360 to save black people's lives?

01:08:00.240 Yes.

01:08:00.500 How come that's not

01:08:01.660 a moral good?

01:08:02.620 Again,

01:08:02.800 you're not going to like this,

01:08:03.880 but when I say something

01:08:05.760 is good,

01:08:06.300 right,

01:08:06.920 I don't know

01:08:07.540 if you're grounding it out

01:08:08.540 in some kind of like

01:08:09.480 view on objective morality.

01:08:13.120 Yes,

01:08:13.520 of course.

01:08:14.080 Views on God,

01:08:14.420 yeah,

01:08:14.640 and I don't know

01:08:15.400 if you're like

01:08:15.660 a presuppositionalist

01:08:16.560 or one of these type people

01:08:17.360 who like say,

01:08:18.200 logic doesn't make sense

01:08:19.300 if there's no God

01:08:20.360 or some shit like that.

01:08:21.020 I really don't want to,

01:08:21.700 I mean,

01:08:21.880 we can if you want

01:08:22.520 to get into the presuppositional.

01:08:23.380 No,

01:08:23.420 we don't have to get into it.

01:08:24.620 But in general,

01:08:26.460 real quick,

01:08:27.200 logic doesn't make sense

01:08:28.440 if there is no God,

01:08:29.160 so I will say that,

01:08:29.900 but we don't have to get into it.

01:08:30.920 Okay,

01:08:31.140 I don't even know

01:08:31.500 what that statement means

01:08:32.100 to be honest with you.

01:08:33.200 So my intuition

01:08:35.880 about whether something

01:08:36.360 is good or not

01:08:37.100 depends on the facts,

01:08:38.180 right?

01:08:38.360 And so if the law,

01:08:39.340 if we are living

01:08:39.900 in a society

01:08:40.360 in which I say,

01:08:41.340 you know,

01:08:41.500 in general,

01:08:42.260 I think it's good

01:08:43.060 to not break the law

01:08:44.880 and to follow the law

01:08:45.560 and make sure

01:08:45.840 the law is enforced

01:08:46.860 because in general,

01:08:47.620 I think overall

01:08:48.400 this constitutional system

01:08:49.680 and our historical tradition

01:08:51.740 brings about good outcomes.

01:08:53.200 I think that that,

01:08:54.340 you know,

01:08:54.740 you can't be divorced

01:08:55.660 from that context

01:08:56.260 and say in isolation

01:08:57.380 is integration

01:08:58.520 better good.

01:08:59.380 In this example,

01:09:00.440 what's bringing about

01:09:01.180 good outcomes?

01:09:02.100 So following

01:09:03.440 the Equal Protection Clause,

01:09:04.760 which was passed

01:09:06.360 specifically to prevent

01:09:08.340 individuals from being subordinated,

01:09:10.220 including,

01:09:10.820 you know,

01:09:11.280 from private discrimination,

01:09:12.700 but especially

01:09:13.220 from public discrimination,

01:09:15.180 that in that context,

01:09:16.460 following that law

01:09:17.480 that was enacted

01:09:18.020 by the people,

01:09:18.760 ratified by the people,

01:09:19.920 that that is good.

01:09:21.380 We should,

01:09:21.880 if we believe,

01:09:23.300 although it seems like

01:09:23.880 you don't believe

01:09:24.360 in a republic form

01:09:25.080 of government,

01:09:25.500 do you?

01:09:25.960 No,

01:09:26.220 I think a republic form

01:09:27.240 of government,

01:09:27.920 this is my opinion.

01:09:28.800 I think a constitutional republic

01:09:30.720 would be,

01:09:31.280 in my assessment,

01:09:32.500 I've said this publicly

01:09:33.180 many times,

01:09:34.100 the ideal form of government.

01:09:35.980 However,

01:09:36.760 governments,

01:09:37.760 forms of governments

01:09:38.360 have to be suited

01:09:39.100 for the people

01:09:39.740 of that time.

01:09:40.980 We don't have the people,

01:09:42.760 right?

01:09:42.940 A moral and upstanding,

01:09:44.260 you know,

01:09:44.580 religious people,

01:09:45.500 the Constitution

01:09:46.060 is wholly fit

01:09:47.040 for none other.

01:09:48.360 We don't have those people.

01:09:49.580 So I would say

01:09:49.920 we currently have degenerates

01:09:51.280 and with degenerates,

01:09:53.460 men must be governed,

01:09:54.560 to quote master and commander.

01:09:56.420 I will say,

01:09:57.380 I think the mere notion

01:09:59.040 that National Guard

01:10:00.140 is considered

01:10:01.260 in any context

01:10:02.100 shows that society

01:10:03.480 is breaking down.

01:10:04.480 Yes.

01:10:04.760 There was,

01:10:05.180 Wade Stotts

01:10:05.680 had a really great video.

01:10:07.180 Is that his name,

01:10:07.960 Wade Stotts?

01:10:08.260 Yeah,

01:10:08.540 Wade Stotts.

01:10:08.900 He's great.

01:10:09.220 He had a video

01:10:10.020 where he basically

01:10:10.480 talked about how

01:10:11.260 the point at which

01:10:12.780 you need to write down

01:10:14.060 your Constitution

01:10:14.860 to enforce it

01:10:16.040 is when you're cooked.

01:10:17.760 What are you talking about?

01:10:18.640 No, no, no.

01:10:18.980 This is Joseph De Maestra's

01:10:19.980 principle, right?

01:10:20.780 All constitutions

01:10:22.300 are preceded

01:10:24.160 by the morality

01:10:25.640 and the ideas

01:10:26.380 written in the hearts

01:10:27.200 and minds of the men

01:10:27.880 that wrote them.

01:10:28.560 And so over generations,

01:10:30.040 because you outsource

01:10:31.480 the enforcement of morality

01:10:32.480 to the document itself,

01:10:34.460 and so the people

01:10:35.600 to which the Constitution

01:10:36.500 applies no longer believe

01:10:37.440 in the ethic

01:10:37.920 of the Constitution,

01:10:38.500 and so they just

01:10:39.360 start squabbling about

01:10:40.180 how they can circumnavigate

01:10:41.240 the statutes.

01:10:42.460 Should we follow it?

01:10:43.560 Let me just kind of

01:10:45.480 explain what this means.

01:10:46.640 The question asked is,

01:10:47.580 what does Constitution

01:10:48.560 refer to?

01:10:49.520 The Constitution

01:10:50.500 before the United States

01:10:51.880 typically was unwritten.

01:10:53.400 So the UK,

01:10:54.020 I believe,

01:10:54.180 you have an unwritten

01:10:54.940 Constitution.

01:10:55.660 Is that how you guys

01:10:56.300 describe it?

01:10:57.020 Yes.

01:10:57.780 Meaning that there are

01:10:58.580 general ideas of what

01:10:59.580 should or should not be.

01:11:00.800 The Founding Fathers

01:11:01.620 were like,

01:11:02.280 we'll have an unwritten

01:11:02.720 Constitution too,

01:11:03.980 and then there was the debate

01:11:05.220 of, no, no, no,

01:11:05.700 hold on a minute

01:11:06.400 because you're going to

01:11:06.900 violate our rights

01:11:07.440 because we don't agree.

01:11:08.500 The issue was that

01:11:09.600 the states were each

01:11:10.360 individual and sovereign.

01:11:11.760 So I never want to hear

01:11:12.400 about like Russia.

01:11:13.600 I never want to hear

01:11:14.460 about search warrants

01:11:15.640 and stuff like that

01:11:16.240 from you guys.

01:11:16.580 The point is,

01:11:17.920 philosophically,

01:11:19.240 the argument is,

01:11:20.840 when you get to a point

01:11:22.060 where you need to deploy

01:11:23.820 a federalized police force

01:11:25.560 because the views

01:11:26.940 of how the country

01:11:27.680 is supposed to be running

01:11:28.620 is different,

01:11:29.440 i.e.,

01:11:29.940 Donald Trump says

01:11:30.880 no illegal immigration,

01:11:32.160 Democrats say

01:11:32.740 yes, illegal immigration.

01:11:33.920 Democrats say

01:11:34.640 you can't enforce this law

01:11:35.640 in our state,

01:11:36.140 we'll object it,

01:11:36.740 and Donald Trump says

01:11:37.560 I can,

01:11:38.300 and then the interpretation

01:11:39.580 of the Constitution

01:11:40.540 as written

01:11:40.940 is completely different

01:11:42.480 among these two groups.

01:11:43.420 What would it take

01:11:43.900 for you to do

01:11:44.420 Joe Biden

01:11:44.920 removing the razor wire

01:11:46.180 against Abbott

01:11:47.240 or things like that?

01:11:48.400 It's just the opposite.

01:11:49.340 Let's not get into that,

01:11:49.980 but there are reasons

01:11:50.340 for that as well

01:11:50.820 and it has to do

01:11:51.380 with the fact

01:11:51.700 that you have to

01:11:52.280 follow the law

01:11:52.720 in terms of

01:11:53.040 the Immigration

01:11:53.320 Nationality Act.

01:11:54.320 You have to process

01:11:55.300 these people,

01:11:55.840 you have to apprehend them

01:11:57.080 and you have to put them

01:11:57.740 to immigration.

01:11:58.300 But let's move past that

01:11:59.980 and just...

01:12:00.140 Right, so let me make this point.

01:12:00.840 What would it take

01:12:01.700 for you to say to Trump

01:12:03.920 this is bad,

01:12:04.600 that your deployment

01:12:05.140 in Chicago is bad?

01:12:06.040 What would it take?

01:12:06.780 What kind of thing

01:12:07.400 would he have to do

01:12:07.940 with the National Guard

01:12:08.640 in Chicago for you to...

01:12:09.900 That's an open-ended question

01:12:10.720 with a million out there.

01:12:11.980 Yeah, so like,

01:12:13.100 it's not enough

01:12:14.200 for him to break the law.

01:12:15.320 A National Guardsman

01:12:16.440 is caught jacking off

01:12:17.260 on the corner of 47th Street.

01:12:18.220 No, no, but that's

01:12:18.700 the individual guard.

01:12:19.420 I'm just saying

01:12:19.680 the deployment itself...

01:12:20.580 A battalion

01:12:21.060 caught jacking off

01:12:22.140 altogether.

01:12:23.320 Trump could say...

01:12:23.960 Oh my God, Trump,

01:12:24.740 what's going on?

01:12:25.380 It's bad.

01:12:25.700 Trump could say,

01:12:26.340 I want to deploy the Marines

01:12:27.160 in every major city

01:12:28.120 in this country

01:12:28.600 to stop crime

01:12:29.580 and you'd be in support

01:12:30.580 of that, wouldn't you?

01:12:31.180 What is the...

01:12:31.900 Not necessarily.

01:12:32.600 I mean, it's kind of

01:12:33.940 a vague generality.

01:12:35.820 I don't understand.

01:12:36.140 It's not vague at all.

01:12:36.860 I'm giving you

01:12:37.220 something concrete.

01:12:37.820 The same kind of deployments

01:12:38.720 in L.A.

01:12:39.400 Listen, listen, listen.

01:12:40.300 Let's not have

01:12:40.920 kindergarten questions.

01:12:41.680 It's not kindergarten at all.

01:12:42.700 It certainly is.

01:12:43.280 There's no limiting

01:12:43.780 principle here.

01:12:44.360 You're going to support

01:12:44.780 a matter of what...

01:12:44.980 If there were mass riots

01:12:45.480 across the country

01:12:46.180 in every major city

01:12:46.980 and Trump said

01:12:47.740 the local police

01:12:48.600 have failed to enforce this,

01:12:49.940 I'm deploying the military,

01:12:50.560 I'd say, okay.

01:12:52.060 No, no, no.

01:12:53.280 You yourself said

01:12:54.380 this isn't some

01:12:55.220 punctuated crime wave

01:12:56.420 in Chicago.

01:12:57.020 You said that at the start, right?

01:12:58.680 What?

01:12:59.000 I didn't say punctuated.

01:12:59.740 No, no.

01:13:00.120 What I mean to say,

01:13:00.580 you said we're not seeing

01:13:01.640 some massive crime wave

01:13:02.860 in Chicago

01:13:03.280 that we've never seen before.

01:13:04.320 You said that, right?

01:13:05.260 No.

01:13:05.620 What did you say

01:13:05.940 at the beginning then

01:13:06.420 when you were saying

01:13:06.800 that Chicago,

01:13:07.460 it's not like

01:13:08.080 the apocalypse in Chicago?

01:13:09.440 I was saying that

01:13:10.640 a thousand years ago

01:13:12.540 when you lived in the woods,

01:13:13.380 a bear would come

01:13:13.960 and eat your wife.

01:13:15.000 That's what you were saying?

01:13:16.280 Yes.

01:13:17.220 You weren't saying

01:13:17.560 that Chicago is livable?

01:13:18.420 I'm saying that society...

01:13:19.640 That the city is livable?

01:13:20.780 I'm saying that

01:13:21.220 it is obvious to anyone

01:13:22.740 who can read a history book

01:13:23.740 that life is better today

01:13:24.640 than it was a thousand years ago.

01:13:25.800 That doesn't mean

01:13:26.840 we should tolerate

01:13:27.620 800 deaths per year.

01:13:29.200 So as they currently are,

01:13:30.860 as the states and cities

01:13:32.020 currently are...

01:13:32.740 We want to be

01:13:33.000 a more perfect union.

01:13:34.020 As they currently are,

01:13:34.820 you would not have a problem

01:13:35.840 with Trump deploying

01:13:36.900 the Marines,

01:13:37.620 the military,

01:13:38.600 the National Guard,

01:13:39.340 all over the...

01:13:40.360 No, no.

01:13:41.080 For the purpose

01:13:42.080 of lowering the crime rate.

01:13:43.700 Yes.

01:13:44.420 All across the country, right?

01:13:45.600 Yes.

01:13:45.840 In what circumstance, where?

01:13:46.780 So I just told you.

01:13:48.860 Didn't I just tell you

01:13:49.740 all over the country

01:13:50.700 for the purpose

01:13:51.100 of lowering crime...

01:13:51.680 You're asking me...

01:13:52.520 Exploring the military.

01:13:53.180 You're asking me

01:13:53.740 if I would be okay

01:13:54.580 with total federalization

01:13:57.220 of law enforcement

01:13:58.060 across the country.

01:13:58.760 And putting the military,

01:13:59.560 Marines, Army...

01:14:00.300 The answer is no,

01:14:00.840 I'm not okay with that.

01:14:01.380 Why not?

01:14:01.780 I've literally argued

01:14:02.480 against the federalization

01:14:03.460 of police forces.

01:14:04.600 Why not?

01:14:05.980 Why would you be against that?

01:14:08.260 Federalization...

01:14:08.820 So we have

01:14:09.600 sovereign jurisdictions.

01:14:10.900 The purpose of a republic

01:14:11.720 is that where you grew up

01:14:13.520 in rural Utah,

01:14:15.060 you have different circumstances

01:14:16.120 than someone who lives in D.C.

01:14:17.040 The problem is Democrats

01:14:18.460 tend to operate

01:14:19.800 in the inverse,

01:14:20.680 such as West Virginia

01:14:22.120 in the rural parts

01:14:23.440 of West Virginia.

01:14:24.760 The Democrats

01:14:25.420 are trying to ban federally

01:14:26.480 the right to transfer firearms

01:14:28.100 for private sales.

01:14:29.760 Can you stick to the issue?

01:14:30.680 Why would you be against it?

01:14:32.480 Different states have...

01:14:33.320 I love how when I'm

01:14:34.820 answering your question,

01:14:36.140 you don't like the answer,

01:14:37.200 you've changed the subject.

01:14:38.120 You're monologuing about the...

01:14:39.400 Like, yes,

01:14:39.820 there are differences

01:14:40.220 between states

01:14:40.840 and sovereign jurisdiction.

01:14:41.920 So I said I would not be okay

01:14:43.520 with the total federalization

01:14:44.600 of policing.

01:14:45.920 You then asked me why,

01:14:47.120 and let me finish now,

01:14:49.240 because Jim Bob

01:14:50.820 and Ricky Joe,

01:14:53.100 who live two hours

01:14:54.060 from each other

01:14:54.740 in the mountains

01:14:55.300 of West Virginia,

01:14:56.360 are living in completely

01:14:57.380 different circumstances

01:14:58.440 to Washington, D.C.

01:14:59.600 So the federalization

01:15:00.800 of police force

01:15:01.580 under the Democrat laws

01:15:02.560 of gun control

01:15:03.300 infringes upon the rights

01:15:04.580 of two guys

01:15:05.160 who live in the boonies

01:15:06.140 who have to hook

01:15:06.840 to shoot wild bears.

01:15:06.860 In the sovereign interest

01:15:07.440 of West Virginia,

01:15:08.080 doesn't it?

01:15:08.380 In the sovereign interest

01:15:09.120 of these states.

01:15:09.940 These states are separate sovereigns.

01:15:11.720 And you're saying...

01:15:12.080 Literally the point.

01:15:12.960 Yeah, you respect

01:15:13.580 the sovereignty there.

01:15:14.240 So the total federalization

01:15:16.000 of policing is bad.

01:15:16.980 Yes, agreed.

01:15:17.620 But so would be

01:15:18.480 not just the federalization

01:15:19.680 of their police force,

01:15:21.000 but deploying the Marines

01:15:22.940 and the army

01:15:23.840 on the streets

01:15:24.820 of every single state.

01:15:26.320 You would be against that too.

01:15:27.380 The universal mass federalization

01:15:29.800 of law enforcement in this country

01:15:30.820 is a bad thing

01:15:31.600 when done without

01:15:32.540 any justifiable reason.

01:15:33.620 Agreed.

01:15:34.120 What's your point?

01:15:35.060 Okay, but then

01:15:35.760 the current rationale...

01:15:37.560 You're saying

01:15:37.880 sending 80 National Guard

01:15:39.640 into Chicago,

01:15:40.820 just Chicago,

01:15:41.980 just Chicago,

01:15:43.020 because of the high rate

01:15:44.660 of death

01:15:45.180 is very different

01:15:46.060 from the total federalization

01:15:47.200 of all law enforcement.

01:15:47.680 No, no, no.

01:15:48.020 But what I'm saying here is...

01:15:49.000 Trump has the legal authority

01:15:50.100 to do it

01:15:50.600 and that we have

01:15:51.140 the Insurrection Act

01:15:51.860 of 1807 and 1878.

01:15:53.100 Why does it matter

01:15:53.540 that he has legal authority

01:15:55.760 to do it?

01:15:55.980 I don't think he does.

01:15:56.700 You made that point

01:15:57.640 and I'm agreeing with you.

01:15:58.640 That he doesn't?

01:15:59.580 No, no, no, no.

01:16:00.180 That there are legal authorities

01:16:01.600 by which Trump can do this

01:16:03.060 and even in that circumstance

01:16:03.860 I don't think

01:16:04.300 it's universally good.

01:16:06.180 Just because I say

01:16:06.960 that there's some circumstances

01:16:08.460 in which it would be okay

01:16:09.900 to federalize the National Guard

01:16:10.940 doesn't mean that I said

01:16:12.020 that it was legal

01:16:13.300 in this context.

01:16:14.120 Why are you...

01:16:14.580 Let me ask you a question

01:16:16.480 about your Christian nationalism.

01:16:18.240 So if a group of priests

01:16:21.120 went around with machetes

01:16:21.920 mercilessly murdering people

01:16:23.560 all across the country

01:16:24.680 all the time,

01:16:25.460 you'd be in favor of that?

01:16:26.420 Dude.

01:16:27.240 Of course not.

01:16:28.200 No one argued in favor

01:16:30.900 of what you're asking.

01:16:31.680 So I did not say

01:16:32.880 would you be in favor

01:16:33.620 of the National Guard

01:16:34.380 shooting people

01:16:35.240 I didn't say

01:16:35.960 would you be in favor

01:16:36.580 of the National Guard.

01:16:36.680 I was making a point

01:16:37.540 about an extreme position

01:16:38.700 It's not extreme at all

01:16:39.440 so Trump himself...

01:16:39.880 For the purpose of illustrating

01:16:41.000 no one here has argued

01:16:42.640 for the total nationalization

01:16:44.280 of policing.

01:16:44.300 It's crazy, man.

01:16:44.860 So I used to be a bartender

01:16:45.960 and I would talk to these military

01:16:47.480 and we were in a military type town

01:16:48.700 and every time I would talk

01:16:50.560 to these vets

01:16:52.020 and these former military

01:16:52.720 and sometimes active service people

01:16:54.340 they would say

01:16:55.060 the one thing that we're taught

01:16:56.340 all the time

01:16:56.880 you don't deploy at home.

01:16:59.260 We don't have standing armies

01:17:00.500 at home.

01:17:01.560 That's...

01:17:01.920 And everyone I talked to

01:17:03.280 would say

01:17:03.580 we're very proud

01:17:04.360 of that tradition.

01:17:04.820 We don't interfere

01:17:05.860 in domestic civilian affairs.

01:17:06.840 Thank you for the anecdote.

01:17:08.040 How would you like

01:17:08.780 to hear my anecdote

01:17:09.440 in the universe?

01:17:10.100 All I'm trying to say is

01:17:11.120 you guys think

01:17:12.340 that it's like no big deal.

01:17:13.200 It's no big deal

01:17:13.880 to deploy the National Guard.

01:17:15.140 It is a big deal.

01:17:16.080 It is a big deal

01:17:16.840 and what we have happening

01:17:18.560 in major cities

01:17:19.640 in America right now

01:17:20.720 with the crime rate

01:17:21.760 is a big deal.

01:17:23.100 It merits it.

01:17:23.960 And it's violating the law

01:17:24.900 a big deal.

01:17:25.660 Can I ask a question

01:17:27.380 on that?

01:17:28.220 Just to understand.

01:17:28.980 Is the reason

01:17:30.520 you're against it

01:17:31.400 because it violates

01:17:32.420 the law?

01:17:33.000 That's one of the reasons.

01:17:33.940 Okay.

01:17:34.300 Okay.

01:17:34.580 Right.

01:17:34.840 Okay.

01:17:35.440 So correct me

01:17:37.440 if I'm wrong.

01:17:37.940 I'm going to try

01:17:38.360 and accurately

01:17:38.980 characterize your position.

01:17:40.840 The law,

01:17:41.960 you see it

01:17:42.540 as a neutral arbiter

01:17:44.120 that can...

01:17:45.920 Okay.

01:17:46.140 You're shaking your head.

01:17:46.860 No.

01:17:47.020 I don't know

01:17:47.280 what you mean

01:17:47.620 by neutral arbiter.

01:17:48.240 As in it's a set of rules

01:17:50.540 that keeps the peace

01:17:51.480 that sits atop

01:17:52.540 different competing groups

01:17:54.100 conceptions of the good.

01:17:56.700 I largely think

01:17:57.880 that that characterization

01:17:58.420 is okay.

01:17:59.540 Okay.

01:17:59.840 Yeah.

01:18:00.160 I'm not trying to...

01:18:01.160 I'm literally not trying

01:18:01.880 to straw man you.

01:18:03.060 The law itself though

01:18:04.580 would you not agree

01:18:05.300 rests on a set of

01:18:06.820 culturally particular givens.

01:18:08.780 No doubt.

01:18:09.360 Okay.

01:18:09.920 Right.

01:18:10.540 If those circumstances

01:18:11.680 have changed

01:18:12.680 would it not require

01:18:14.740 a change in the law

01:18:16.720 or a change in the application

01:18:17.760 of law

01:18:18.160 to restore

01:18:18.680 those circumstances?

01:18:19.660 Potentially.

01:18:20.020 I think that sometimes

01:18:20.620 cultural differences

01:18:21.440 change attitudes,

01:18:22.500 change ethical outlooks,

01:18:24.380 justify changes in the law.

01:18:25.640 Okay.

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01:19:04.060 The world regulation

01:19:05.560 of a militia,

01:19:06.520 the allowance of each state

01:19:09.300 to govern itself,

01:19:11.200 thinking its police force

01:19:12.680 would act in the interest

01:19:13.900 of its own citizens

01:19:14.700 with different

01:19:15.380 geographical particularities.

01:19:17.440 That was fine for a settlement

01:19:18.660 for a few hundred years.

01:19:19.700 You had problems,

01:19:20.420 of course,

01:19:20.760 you had the Civil War,

01:19:21.720 et cetera,

01:19:22.520 you had the confiscation

01:19:23.140 of firearms,

01:19:23.580 as Tim said,

01:19:24.240 but broadly,

01:19:25.060 you could return to source.

01:19:27.220 Do you not see

01:19:28.140 in certain places

01:19:29.860 like Chicago,

01:19:30.940 like LA,

01:19:31.680 where civilization

01:19:33.300 is just broken down

01:19:34.040 into violence,

01:19:35.300 that a more forceful

01:19:36.560 application of the law

01:19:37.360 would be temporarily necessary

01:19:38.800 in order to restore order?

01:19:40.060 A bit like in the Roman Republic

01:19:41.220 when you had

01:19:41.940 a Caesar figure

01:19:42.920 like a Cincinnati

01:19:43.440 step in for a little while

01:19:44.700 and then renounce that power.

01:19:45.740 That guy was maced.

01:19:46.680 He was.

01:19:46.980 He's very good.

01:19:47.620 So basically,

01:19:48.180 you're asking me,

01:19:48.880 would I be in favor

01:19:49.720 of legal changes,

01:19:51.720 changes to the law

01:19:52.480 to make this?

01:19:53.580 A temporary centralization

01:19:54.880 of power

01:19:55.320 to then recreate

01:19:56.600 the conditions

01:19:57.120 where self-governance

01:19:57.900 is possible again.

01:19:58.600 The answer is no.

01:19:59.400 I don't think

01:19:59.820 that the military

01:20:00.740 is suited

01:20:02.280 for regular civilian deployments

01:20:04.020 because I think

01:20:04.840 that they're essentially,

01:20:05.820 you know,

01:20:06.140 they have a lot

01:20:06.960 of different interests.

01:20:07.500 I think they're very honorable,

01:20:08.200 but they're murder machines.

01:20:09.000 They're trained to be killers.

01:20:10.140 That's not correct.

01:20:10.800 Hang on.

01:20:11.520 They're not combat infantry?

01:20:13.080 People like the,

01:20:13.860 like regulars in the military,

01:20:15.060 they're trained to kill.

01:20:16.480 They're not trained

01:20:17.540 in the same way

01:20:18.020 that we train our civilian law enforcement.

01:20:19.200 A dude I knew

01:20:19.900 who did IT work

01:20:20.860 for the military

01:20:21.360 wasn't a killer.

01:20:21.960 No, you know

01:20:22.720 what I'm talking about.

01:20:23.260 He was physically fit.

01:20:24.120 Let's be real.

01:20:24.680 They do PT.

01:20:25.240 No, no, I understand

01:20:25.960 the point.

01:20:26.800 They are being trained

01:20:27.620 for combat scenarios.

01:20:28.220 Yeah, they're trained

01:20:28.820 for force.

01:20:29.600 They're being trained to,

01:20:30.360 and this is a situation

01:20:31.480 where force is required.

01:20:32.920 That doesn't mean

01:20:33.520 that they're unhinged

01:20:34.980 or that they don't have stuff.

01:20:35.940 I'm not saying, no, no, no,

01:20:35.980 I'm literally,

01:20:36.620 I just want to make sure.

01:20:37.520 I got to clarify this.

01:20:39.700 What percentage

01:20:40.240 of the military

01:20:40.600 do you think

01:20:40.960 are actually combat infantry?

01:20:42.240 I'm not sure.

01:20:42.600 It doesn't matter

01:20:43.040 because the people

01:20:43.620 who are being deployed

01:20:44.100 are combat infantry right now.

01:20:46.020 That's fair.

01:20:46.580 They're not going to deploy

01:20:47.380 the IT guy

01:20:47.900 in the street corner, right?

01:20:48.840 Agreed?

01:20:49.560 Okay, so let's just clarify

01:20:50.460 when you're like

01:20:51.120 the army itself is.

01:20:53.000 The people who are being deployed,

01:20:54.440 the regulars

01:20:55.020 who are being deployed right now.

01:20:55.920 They're combat.

01:20:56.580 They're combat people.

01:20:57.140 I'm not saying

01:20:57.520 that they're mindless machines.

01:20:59.220 I'm not saying

01:20:59.620 that they're,

01:21:00.000 but they have

01:21:00.300 You said they're murder.

01:21:01.780 Did you say murder machines?

01:21:02.940 Yeah, you did.

01:21:03.820 Listen, I'm not saying

01:21:04.720 they have great

01:21:05.620 killing machines

01:21:06.860 still would have been wrong.

01:21:08.200 You went straight

01:21:09.320 for murder machines.

01:21:10.540 They have great

01:21:10.980 to trigger discipline

01:21:11.720 than your average police officer.

01:21:12.920 I am not telling you

01:21:14.440 that there's anything

01:21:14.960 wrong with that, right?

01:21:15.880 Especially people

01:21:16.320 I want, like Kamala Harris said,

01:21:17.780 I want our military

01:21:18.620 to be the most lethal

01:21:19.340 fighting force.

01:21:19.840 Don't you?

01:21:20.140 You like Kamala Harris?

01:21:21.200 I'm not familiar with you.

01:21:22.340 Who can we not?

01:21:23.760 She's way better than Trump.

01:21:24.600 Way better than Trump.

01:21:24.980 Whoa!

01:21:25.680 Way better than Trump.

01:21:26.620 Okay, I'm sorry.

01:21:27.540 He's been on the show

01:21:28.160 multiple times.

01:21:28.680 The lost owl.

01:21:30.300 I've just disregarded everything.

01:21:31.520 I can't accuse you

01:21:32.880 of being biased.

01:21:33.640 I mean, that's impressive.

01:21:34.300 Can you just address it?

01:21:35.360 Right, so you want,

01:21:36.520 don't you,

01:21:37.120 your combat infantry

01:21:38.120 to be murder machines?

01:21:39.960 Killing machines?

01:21:40.700 No, don't say murder.

01:21:42.480 Okay, okay.

01:21:42.980 If you got triggered

01:21:43.840 by the word murder,

01:21:44.640 you know what I'm talking about.

01:21:46.320 You're Mr. Technical over here

01:21:48.880 using the right words.

01:21:49.600 You know what I'm talking about.

01:21:50.540 I'm going to answer this.

01:21:50.860 Killing machines, too.

01:21:51.580 I want them to be

01:21:52.300 highly trained and lethal.

01:21:54.040 Lethal, yes.

01:21:54.700 Yes.

01:21:55.360 That's what I'm talking about.

01:21:56.100 You understood what I was talking about.

01:21:57.040 Can I, I'm going to answer

01:21:58.000 what I was talking about.

01:21:58.260 You understood what I was talking about.

01:21:59.080 Guys, guys, guys,

01:21:59.280 okay, okay, okay.

01:22:00.980 Let's answer the point.

01:22:02.120 Okay, yeah.

01:22:02.340 Answer the question.

01:22:03.180 They're not specialized

01:22:04.240 for civilian law enforcement.

01:22:05.680 In New York City,

01:22:06.900 do you know how,

01:22:08.540 do you remember when that,

01:22:09.740 when the cops shot

01:22:10.820 seven random people?

01:22:12.320 No, I don't remember.

01:22:13.120 Let me tell you this.

01:22:13.660 What are you talking about?

01:22:14.900 It's always some random

01:22:15.520 fucking story with you.

01:22:16.860 You too.

01:22:17.320 You're like,

01:22:17.600 I met some guy who told me

01:22:18.540 that the military should go.

01:22:19.200 I'm trying to appeal

01:22:19.860 the way that you do.

01:22:20.600 So in New York,

01:22:21.240 a guy went to,

01:22:21.780 I think it was the Empire State Building

01:22:22.740 and shot and killed people

01:22:24.180 in his office who disgruntled them.

01:22:25.140 Oh, yes, I do remember that, actually.

01:22:26.100 He walked out

01:22:26.640 and the NYPD ran up to stop him

01:22:28.520 and they fired, missed him

01:22:29.680 and hit seven random people.

01:22:31.260 Hit seven random people?

01:22:32.420 Seven random people.

01:22:33.200 I believe that number was seven.

01:22:34.220 Wow.

01:22:34.740 The argument that was presented,

01:22:36.700 like this was a New York talking point,

01:22:38.800 it was a big concern

01:22:39.480 that need to be rectified,

01:22:40.180 was that the cost of the lawsuits

01:22:43.660 proper discharge and injury

01:22:44.720 was less than the cost

01:22:47.420 of training the NYPD.

01:22:49.080 So it was actually,

01:22:50.360 it's your basic cost risk analysis, right?

01:22:53.340 Remember that scene from Fight Club?

01:22:54.700 Capitalism for the win, huh?

01:22:55.920 It is.

01:22:56.300 Remember the scene from Fight Club

01:22:57.580 where Edward Norton's character

01:22:58.520 is on the plane and he says,

01:23:00.320 if a car is defective

01:23:01.740 and it crashes

01:23:03.840 and kills the people inside

01:23:05.500 and the company knows

01:23:07.140 the cost of the lawsuit

01:23:08.140 will be less

01:23:08.960 than the cost of a recall,

01:23:10.180 we don't recall.

01:23:11.220 That's what happened in New York.

01:23:12.600 They said,

01:23:12.960 how come these cops couldn't shoot?

01:23:14.560 And they said,

01:23:14.980 well, to be honest,

01:23:16.020 comprehensive firearm training

01:23:17.420 is more expensive

01:23:18.120 than the lawsuits

01:23:18.720 we have to pay out

01:23:19.340 when they shoot innocent people.

01:23:20.440 Who said that?

01:23:21.480 This was the basic...

01:23:24.100 Did anyone say that?

01:23:25.400 Yes.

01:23:25.880 But I want to be careful here

01:23:26.980 because there's,

01:23:28.400 I don't want to ascribe something

01:23:29.360 to somebody

01:23:29.820 who's going to sue me later

01:23:30.760 for obvious reasons.

01:23:32.520 The general conversation

01:23:34.020 among politicians was,

01:23:35.480 the NYPD,

01:23:36.820 or I should say the debate

01:23:37.960 politically in the cultural space

01:23:39.140 was,

01:23:39.720 the NYPD

01:23:40.540 isn't doing these trainings

01:23:42.440 because it's more expensive

01:23:43.760 than paying lawsuits.

01:23:45.000 They're not going to publicly admit

01:23:46.380 it at the highest levels,

01:23:47.400 but that was the internal,

01:23:48.740 like,

01:23:48.840 everybody kind of knows

01:23:49.880 it's 50 million a year

01:23:51.100 in lawsuits

01:23:51.520 versus 100 million for training.

01:23:53.500 So,

01:23:54.140 what we end up seeing is,

01:23:55.680 I will say this,

01:23:57.220 I would rather have

01:23:58.400 a military-trained individual

01:24:00.400 who later becomes a cop

01:24:03.020 than a short,

01:24:04.820 fat guy with no training.

01:24:05.680 That's not what we're talking about.

01:24:06.820 Yeah,

01:24:07.020 if a military person-

01:24:08.040 When you say they're

01:24:08.820 killing machines

01:24:09.800 or murder machines,

01:24:10.540 I don't know what I'm talking about.

01:24:11.740 Dude,

01:24:12.060 you guys are soiling out.

01:24:13.180 Let me finish my point.

01:24:14.220 You've been Mr. Technical

01:24:15.520 this whole time, bro.

01:24:16.660 I'm going to finish my point.

01:24:18.260 A former military,

01:24:19.500 I'm not talking about military

01:24:20.860 because I'm trying to make the point,

01:24:22.440 former military police

01:24:24.900 who have military

01:24:25.900 and police training

01:24:26.700 are safer

01:24:28.160 and better at their jobs

01:24:29.180 than somebody

01:24:30.860 who just grew up in the area

01:24:31.780 and got limited police training.

01:24:33.040 Okay, okay.

01:24:33.740 Therefore,

01:24:34.720 the point is,

01:24:35.700 there's more discipline

01:24:36.660 and better training

01:24:38.300 among military personnel

01:24:39.120 than local police.

01:24:40.420 Your argument misses that point.

01:24:42.200 Okay,

01:24:42.420 bring up the Declaration of Independence.

01:24:43.740 Can you do this?

01:24:44.320 Sure.

01:24:44.400 Can you bring up

01:24:44.700 the Declaration of Independence?

01:24:45.600 I would love for you to do that,

01:24:46.680 but all men are created equal.

01:24:49.140 No, no,

01:24:49.320 I'm not going to put it to that.

01:24:49.920 What do you have to do with the post-rits?

01:24:51.280 I'm free-born,

01:24:52.420 white, Christian Englishmen.

01:24:53.540 We're talking about the policy.

01:24:54.260 That is the context.

01:24:55.420 I did not say

01:24:56.480 that former military people

01:24:57.760 should not be cops.

01:24:58.100 That is true

01:24:58.300 because they didn't mean black people.

01:25:00.340 No, yeah.

01:25:01.160 People say,

01:25:01.640 oh,

01:25:01.720 they weren't living up to their ideals.

01:25:04.100 That was actually

01:25:05.060 the specific application

01:25:06.120 of their ideal at the time.

01:25:07.660 We disagree with it now,

01:25:08.520 for sure.

01:25:08.940 Scroll down,

01:25:09.420 scroll down real quick.

01:25:11.940 Down,

01:25:12.360 down,

01:25:12.560 down,

01:25:12.720 down,

01:25:12.820 until they listen now.

01:25:13.880 He has kept among us

01:25:14.900 in times of peace,

01:25:16.380 standing armies

01:25:17.120 without the consent

01:25:17.640 of our legislatures.

01:25:18.320 He has effected to render

01:25:19.540 the military independent of

01:25:20.960 and superior to the civil power.

01:25:22.380 One of the main complaints,

01:25:24.320 central theses

01:25:25.240 of the founding generation

01:25:26.960 was that having standing armies

01:25:28.980 mixed in with civilian enforcement

01:25:30.760 is dangerous.

01:25:32.180 Without consent.

01:25:33.120 You cited,

01:25:34.120 you cited,

01:25:34.540 didn't you?

01:25:34.680 I consented.

01:25:35.260 Rome.

01:25:35.920 Okay.

01:25:36.600 You cited Rome.

01:25:38.160 One of the big dangers

01:25:39.280 and why standing armies

01:25:40.920 might be bad

01:25:41.980 and deleterious

01:25:42.600 to domestic liberty

01:25:43.460 is that someone

01:25:44.400 might use

01:25:44.920 that domestic military

01:25:46.420 to usurp

01:25:47.720 our Republican form

01:25:48.580 of government.

01:25:49.340 And so,

01:25:49.740 these are genuine

01:25:50.520 policy reasons

01:25:51.460 why we don't want

01:25:52.200 to have standing armies

01:25:53.020 on our police force.

01:25:53.080 We don't want the standing army

01:25:54.120 to usurp

01:25:54.740 our Republican form

01:25:55.620 of government.

01:25:56.120 The problem

01:25:56.420 that we have right now

01:25:57.360 is that the people,

01:25:58.440 our citizens themselves

01:25:59.640 and a bunch of people

01:26:00.560 who aren't citizens

01:26:01.280 have usurped

01:26:01.980 that Republican form

01:26:02.960 of government.

01:26:03.800 So,

01:26:04.020 this is like going

01:26:05.700 into a house

01:26:06.920 that's on fire

01:26:07.640 or a house

01:26:09.380 that's flooded

01:26:09.900 with a fire extinguisher.

01:26:11.620 Right?

01:26:11.820 It's the wrong solution.

01:26:13.160 You have to look

01:26:13.780 at the context.

01:26:14.940 When we have,

01:26:15.660 you know,

01:26:15.880 the founders,

01:26:16.760 they're looking at England

01:26:18.260 and there is

01:26:19.500 religious persecution,

01:26:20.760 right?

01:26:21.020 The king at the time

01:26:22.120 was forcing ministers

01:26:23.940 to read from the sports almanac

01:26:25.860 on the Lord's Day

01:26:26.800 in their church service

01:26:27.980 which violated their consciences

01:26:29.740 because you got a bunch of,

01:26:30.660 you know,

01:26:30.940 Protestant Puritans,

01:26:32.060 those kinds of things.

01:26:32.860 You had tyranny.

01:26:34.100 You had civil tyranny.

01:26:35.040 You had ecclesiastical tyranny.

01:26:36.780 And so,

01:26:37.120 they're coming from that

01:26:38.020 and they're coming from that

01:26:39.000 with people

01:26:39.800 who are homogenous,

01:26:41.460 people who have

01:26:42.160 the same convictions,

01:26:43.280 they have the same

01:26:43.880 ethnic background.

01:26:45.940 And so,

01:26:46.440 in that context,

01:26:47.120 they're saying,

01:26:47.520 our fear,

01:26:48.580 listen,

01:26:49.240 they're saying,

01:26:49.780 our fear

01:26:50.360 is government overreach.

01:26:52.180 And even with the First Amendment,

01:26:54.040 our fear is religious overreach.

01:26:56.500 The First Amendment was not,

01:26:58.000 to think that the First Amendment

01:26:59.460 was written,

01:26:59.980 they're like,

01:27:00.280 you know what,

01:27:00.580 we're really hoping one day

01:27:01.820 that this will protect Muslims.

01:27:05.160 That's insane.

01:27:05.880 I just want to say one,

01:27:07.540 I consent.

01:27:09.100 As a Chicago native,

01:27:10.740 and I know I don't speak

01:27:11.940 for literally everyone in Chicago,

01:27:12.980 I can tell you that my friends

01:27:14.320 and my homies,

01:27:15.060 they work here,

01:27:15.580 they're from my neighborhood.

01:27:16.380 The majority don't, though.

01:27:17.520 That's not correct.

01:27:18.660 You think the majority,

01:27:19.300 so the majority in D.C.

01:27:20.240 The majority of who?

01:27:21.440 The majority of the people.

01:27:22.840 My neighborhood in Chicago,

01:27:23.920 people of Chicago,

01:27:25.260 people of D.C.

01:27:25.840 My Democrat neighborhood in Chicago

01:27:27.540 is now a Trump-supporting red neighborhood.

01:27:30.540 Who asked?

01:27:31.540 Okay,

01:27:32.160 I'm making this point.

01:27:33.400 So I am saying this.

01:27:36.180 For my neighborhood,

01:27:37.660 where we do agree

01:27:38.780 and did vote for Trump,

01:27:40.400 we consent to Trump deploying

01:27:41.780 to that neighborhood specifically,

01:27:42.960 and I do not believe it's fair

01:27:45.520 that Pritzker, the governor,

01:27:46.840 infringe upon our rights

01:27:47.860 as a community

01:27:48.360 to request federal assistance

01:27:49.920 only in our neighborhood.

01:27:50.740 Well, the city officials

01:27:51.520 also don't want it.

01:27:52.860 My neighborhood does.

01:27:53.920 Does my neighborhood have a right

01:27:54.860 to say,

01:27:56.180 No.

01:27:56.380 They have a vote.

01:27:59.200 They have a say

01:27:59.760 in whatever count.

01:28:00.560 Listen,

01:28:00.720 I don't know how the Chicago city

01:28:01.700 government is run.

01:28:02.740 You probably know more than I do.

01:28:04.020 But you have representation

01:28:04.820 and overwhelmingly the city

01:28:06.660 of Chicago,

01:28:07.360 the city of L.A.,

01:28:08.420 the city of D.C.

01:28:09.180 They don't want this deployment there.

01:28:10.420 Let me ask you.

01:28:12.740 If Illinois,

01:28:13.760 as a jurisdiction says,

01:28:15.300 do not deploy,

01:28:16.440 we refuse,

01:28:17.840 Trump should not do it.

01:28:19.240 Okay.

01:28:20.200 You would agree with that?

01:28:21.840 The state's saying,

01:28:22.800 don't come here,

01:28:23.220 you don't have a right.

01:28:24.320 In this specific context,

01:28:25.780 yes.

01:28:26.380 At what point

01:28:27.440 do individuals

01:28:28.240 lose their rights

01:28:31.480 to a superior form

01:28:32.480 of government?

01:28:33.060 I don't know.

01:28:33.880 Are we entertaining

01:28:34.720 hypotheticals at this point?

01:28:35.520 Because you seem pretty

01:28:35.980 resistant to it earlier.

01:28:36.800 It's not.

01:28:37.320 So my point is,

01:28:38.280 quite literally,

01:28:39.220 my neighborhood turned red

01:28:40.540 and voted for Trump.

01:28:41.820 This was,

01:28:42.460 in 2012 it was blue,

01:28:43.480 Democrat voting.

01:28:44.840 And then in 2016

01:28:46.160 it was blue.

01:28:47.520 In 2020 it was a little red.

01:28:49.000 And in 2024

01:28:49.480 it turned red

01:28:50.400 and voted for Trump.

01:28:51.720 Why should this particular

01:28:53.480 isolated community

01:28:54.480 that has a shared worldview

01:28:55.780 when they say,

01:28:57.840 we actually would like

01:28:59.180 the National Guard

01:28:59.800 to come here

01:29:00.300 to stop the violence?

01:29:01.520 Why should the city

01:29:02.980 of Chicago

01:29:03.600 who don't live there

01:29:04.780 and don't agree

01:29:05.360 be able to enforce

01:29:06.280 their will

01:29:06.840 and allow the crime

01:29:07.560 to continue?

01:29:08.240 Because the overall

01:29:09.020 levels of sovereignty

01:29:09.720 are like the municipal,

01:29:11.560 the state,

01:29:12.620 and the federal.

01:29:14.120 Tyranny is okay

01:29:14.900 in some degrees.

01:29:16.160 I don't know

01:29:16.560 what you mean by tyranny.

01:29:17.300 You have representation

01:29:18.000 in that local district,

01:29:19.620 that local country.

01:29:20.080 Let's try this.

01:29:21.440 Okay, let's forget

01:29:21.880 all of the country

01:29:22.640 and isolate only

01:29:23.840 the borders of Chicago.

01:29:24.760 Okay.

01:29:25.380 There is one neighborhood,

01:29:26.980 they have an alderman,

01:29:28.080 that's what the local

01:29:28.880 politicians are called,

01:29:29.840 it has specific boundaries.

01:29:31.760 And in this jurisdiction

01:29:32.560 they say,

01:29:33.180 crime has gotten out of hand,

01:29:34.620 our government

01:29:35.120 has abandoned us

01:29:35.800 and we need help.

01:29:36.540 But the city of Chicago

01:29:37.380 says you're not going

01:29:38.240 to get it

01:29:38.520 and we will keep

01:29:39.100 anyone who tries

01:29:40.100 from coming to your

01:29:40.880 neighbor to save you.

01:29:41.480 Is that tyranny?

01:29:41.940 Because the overall sovereign

01:29:42.760 is the city of Chicago

01:29:43.560 in that case.

01:29:44.340 That's the sovereign.

01:29:45.500 Right, so people should suffer

01:29:47.100 if the sovereign determines it.

01:29:48.820 Well yeah, but your voice

01:29:50.920 is not forgotten

01:29:51.640 in that context

01:29:52.380 because that alderman

01:29:53.220 is representing

01:29:53.940 his constituencies.

01:29:54.920 He just doesn't command

01:29:56.000 a majority in the city.

01:29:57.720 The city is the sovereign.

01:29:58.820 We're not asking

01:29:59.420 for employment

01:30:00.500 to the rest of the city.

01:30:01.140 Basically, everything

01:30:01.720 that you do, Tim,

01:30:02.600 you're basically doing

01:30:03.520 this kind of continuum

01:30:04.420 fallacy thing.

01:30:05.280 Stop being so obtuse.

01:30:06.160 Where does a puddle

01:30:07.160 become a lake?

01:30:08.700 You make the arguments

01:30:09.240 about the king of England.

01:30:10.680 So the city of Chicago

01:30:11.480 You're pretending

01:30:12.120 to be stupid intentionally.

01:30:13.400 The city of Chicago

01:30:13.600 is the sovereign there.

01:30:14.160 You're pretending

01:30:14.480 to be stupid intentionally

01:30:15.640 when I'm literally

01:30:16.780 taking your argument

01:30:17.820 and applying it to Chicago.

01:30:18.940 And you refuse to accept it

01:30:20.080 because you know you're wrong.

01:30:20.700 No, no, no.

01:30:20.940 I'm not wrong.

01:30:21.460 Let me say it again.

01:30:22.040 I'm not wrong.

01:30:22.380 When you cite

01:30:22.960 the king of England

01:30:23.940 as violating the rights

01:30:25.000 of the colonies

01:30:25.760 because the colonies

01:30:26.660 is a jurisdiction

01:30:27.120 under the crown,

01:30:28.200 you say,

01:30:28.880 we have the right

01:30:29.440 to oppose the king.

01:30:30.320 When I say

01:30:30.860 a single neighborhood

01:30:31.600 in Chicago

01:30:32.000 says no to the mayor,

01:30:33.200 you say,

01:30:33.460 the mayor can tell them

01:30:34.360 what they can or can't do

01:30:35.260 because they don't have the right.

01:30:36.500 If you go back

01:30:37.060 to the Declaration of Independence,

01:30:38.820 the other big issue

01:30:40.320 with the system

01:30:41.500 and the colonies

01:30:42.220 is they didn't have representation.

01:30:43.700 They didn't have representation

01:30:44.600 in the parliament.

01:30:46.800 They didn't have any say whatsoever.

01:30:48.000 That's not the same

01:30:49.100 in the situation

01:30:49.760 that you presented

01:30:50.260 where you have local governance

01:30:52.420 and you have local governance

01:30:53.560 right next to you.

01:30:54.840 It's not like you're

01:30:55.220 across an ocean.

01:30:56.120 My neighborhood

01:30:56.680 does not have representation

01:30:57.620 at the state level.

01:30:58.360 Let me finish.

01:30:59.160 You do.

01:30:59.840 You fucking do.

01:31:00.440 Obviously you do.

01:31:01.020 No.

01:31:01.560 You're saying the alderman

01:31:02.180 doesn't have any say whatsoever?

01:31:03.900 At the state level,

01:31:05.360 there is an over-encompassing

01:31:07.720 jurisdiction

01:31:08.040 that engulfs my neighborhood.

01:31:09.920 That's how we set up

01:31:10.680 our system.

01:31:11.880 And that's how

01:31:12.700 the crown set up theirs?

01:31:13.600 Hang on a second.

01:31:14.520 So pick and choose.

01:31:15.300 You want to exercise power

01:31:18.020 over people.

01:31:18.660 You're saying it's all arbitrary.

01:31:19.980 So the state lines are arbitrary.

01:31:21.100 I'm saying it's all arbitrary.

01:31:21.980 When the people vote,

01:31:22.920 the people have a right to choose

01:31:24.200 how they live.

01:31:25.180 So what do you care about

01:31:25.740 state sovereignty

01:31:26.260 when you're talking about

01:31:27.120 your big issue

01:31:28.760 with federalization

01:31:29.540 of all police force?

01:31:30.520 If you're taking this

01:31:31.200 ultimately elastic approach

01:31:32.520 Which is completely aligned

01:31:33.440 with exactly what I just said.

01:31:34.300 No, it's not at all.

01:31:35.200 People have a right

01:31:36.240 to self-governance,

01:31:37.860 be it a small neighborhood,

01:31:39.240 a city, state,

01:31:40.060 or otherwise.

01:31:40.900 And no one

01:31:41.780 should be able to come

01:31:42.700 to a single person

01:31:44.360 and force them

01:31:45.180 to drop to their knees

01:31:45.900 to proselytize

01:31:47.620 for Muhammad or Jesus Christ.

01:31:48.660 Do you honestly think

01:31:49.780 that if one person

01:31:50.920 one person in Chicago

01:31:52.040 says I consent

01:31:53.260 that the government

01:31:54.580 should have the right

01:31:55.140 to deploy?

01:31:55.600 Okay, so what are you

01:31:56.200 talking about here?

01:31:56.700 Perhaps if you're stupid.

01:31:57.400 Wait, no.

01:31:57.760 So then what are you

01:31:58.360 talking about?

01:31:58.740 I'm talking about

01:31:59.260 the polities and the

01:32:00.260 sovereignties that we

01:32:00.920 have established

01:32:01.620 in our current system

01:32:02.700 which are the state

01:32:03.460 government.

01:32:04.120 The state is the

01:32:04.660 true sovereign in that sense

01:32:05.760 and they've allocated

01:32:06.760 some authority

01:32:07.300 to the city of Chicago.

01:32:08.540 They have not consented.

01:32:09.780 That's what I'm saying.

01:32:10.460 If a body of people

01:32:11.560 in a specific jurisdiction

01:32:13.080 vote for how they

01:32:15.240 should live

01:32:15.860 within certain

01:32:17.720 within certain respects

01:32:19.360 of obvious things

01:32:20.060 like don't murder,

01:32:21.460 right?

01:32:22.160 We should say

01:32:23.220 we respect the wishes

01:32:24.740 of this community.

01:32:26.200 Okay.

01:32:26.780 Should people be allowed

01:32:28.020 in their communities

01:32:28.660 to vote for how they

01:32:29.520 want to run their

01:32:30.100 Yeah, generally, yes.

01:32:31.020 Yes.

01:32:31.320 So this one small

01:32:33.740 three square mile area

01:32:35.320 says we don't want

01:32:37.760 to impose National Guard

01:32:38.840 on any of you.

01:32:39.420 We don't want them

01:32:40.740 to go to your communities.

01:32:42.200 We would like them

01:32:43.040 to come here.

01:32:43.900 The outside authority

01:32:45.780 says for no.

01:32:47.360 We won't allow you

01:32:47.960 to do that.

01:32:49.200 So are you going to say

01:32:50.120 that everywhere that they

01:32:50.920 say we don't want them

01:32:51.780 that Trump can't go?

01:32:53.260 Say that one more time?

01:32:54.100 Are you going to say

01:32:54.800 therefore if what you're

01:32:55.920 saying is what you

01:32:56.640 think should happen

01:32:57.520 that is that one

01:32:58.500 alderman should be able

01:32:59.880 to speak for his

01:33:00.920 district or whatever

01:33:01.740 the polity is

01:33:02.420 whatever the group is

01:33:03.040 there that everywhere

01:33:04.120 where they don't provide

01:33:05.320 that permission

01:33:05.860 Trump should be barred

01:33:06.960 from going?

01:33:07.480 It's not a proper

01:33:08.080 inversion.

01:33:08.780 Okay.

01:33:09.240 So the existence

01:33:10.300 of law enforcement

01:33:11.120 is not the same

01:33:12.060 as the non-existent

01:33:12.840 of law enforcement.

01:33:14.280 So the issue

01:33:14.880 would be like this.

01:33:16.060 You can't vote

01:33:17.160 to commit crimes

01:33:18.040 against your neighbors.

01:33:18.940 Hence the point I made.

01:33:20.060 The committee says

01:33:20.540 we will not impose

01:33:21.560 this on you.

01:33:23.120 We're not going to vote

01:33:23.760 for you

01:33:24.600 so that we can say

01:33:26.020 in our community

01:33:26.540 we're going to send

01:33:27.220 people to your neighborhood

01:33:28.180 to do something to you.

01:33:29.520 That means

01:33:30.280 if your community

01:33:31.060 has crime going on

01:33:32.180 which is negatively

01:33:32.780 impacting outside communities

01:33:34.220 we can go and stop that

01:33:35.940 because you are

01:33:37.120 so I'll put it this way.

01:33:37.860 If it's the mayor of Chicago

01:33:38.520 who represents all Chicagoans

01:33:39.620 correct?

01:33:41.840 Even if he what?

01:33:43.140 Even if he says no.

01:33:44.460 The mayor of Chicago

01:33:45.120 represents all Chicagoans.

01:33:46.580 He doesn't.

01:33:48.320 Why not?

01:33:48.960 Because some people

01:33:49.660 didn't vote for him.

01:33:51.380 Hang on.

01:33:52.040 Just because they didn't

01:33:52.940 vote for him

01:33:53.360 doesn't mean

01:33:53.580 it doesn't represent them.

01:33:55.020 I didn't vote for Trump.

01:33:56.080 Trump represents me

01:33:56.740 in the federal system.

01:33:57.740 Oh in the legal context.

01:33:59.240 That's what I'm talking about.

01:33:59.880 Okay okay.

01:34:00.260 I thought you were saying

01:34:01.120 in the moral views

01:34:01.860 of the people voting for him.

01:34:02.440 No I'm not talking about it.

01:34:03.080 I'm saying if the mayor of Chicago

01:34:04.720 the elected official

01:34:06.640 of Chicago says

01:34:07.860 we don't want you here

01:34:09.160 should Trump respect that?

01:34:10.820 No.

01:34:11.180 Okay.

01:34:11.720 But we should respect the aldermen?

01:34:13.600 Help me out there.

01:34:14.520 Right okay.

01:34:15.020 So let's try this.

01:34:16.580 You've got a three square mile area.

01:34:18.400 The people there are suffering

01:34:19.580 under violence

01:34:20.080 drugs or otherwise.

01:34:21.500 They all vote

01:34:22.640 in majority

01:34:23.480 and say

01:34:24.000 we need help.

01:34:25.780 We don't want to infringe

01:34:27.020 on anybody's communities

01:34:27.980 so we are not going

01:34:29.620 to ask any

01:34:30.280 National Guard

01:34:31.140 or nor do they have

01:34:32.180 the authority to do so.

01:34:33.080 They say

01:34:33.700 Mayor

01:34:34.860 can you please send us help?

01:34:36.180 The mayor says no.

01:34:37.060 And they say

01:34:37.340 okay well

01:34:37.880 we have to do something about that.

01:34:39.140 They form neighborhood watches.

01:34:40.480 What does the city do?

01:34:41.280 It goes and arrests those people

01:34:42.360 and criminally charged.

01:34:42.960 I'm not kidding

01:34:43.280 this actually happens.

01:34:44.380 They try to put up signs

01:34:45.520 saying neighborhood watch

01:34:47.000 and then what ends up happening

01:34:48.560 is you're guilty

01:34:49.140 of a criminal conspiracy

01:34:50.040 and people got criminally charged

01:34:51.120 for doing so.

01:34:52.200 So

01:34:52.460 when the mayor

01:34:53.860 is violating

01:34:55.540 the rights of the people

01:34:56.600 who are not trying

01:34:57.720 to infringe on anybody else

01:34:58.580 to stop crimes

01:34:59.740 I believe it is appropriate

01:35:01.320 for that community

01:35:02.320 to be able to say

01:35:02.980 yeah Trump

01:35:04.400 we consent to send

01:35:05.100 a National Guard

01:35:05.620 and Trump has the authority

01:35:06.760 to say

01:35:07.600 there's an emergency here

01:35:08.920 and there's crimes happening.

01:35:10.200 So let's talk about

01:35:11.000 autonomy and sovereignty

01:35:11.480 matter until they don't

01:35:12.600 for you.

01:35:13.000 So here's the inverse.

01:35:14.580 If there is a

01:35:15.500 three square mile radius

01:35:16.580 where people

01:35:17.540 from that community

01:35:18.280 are going outside of it

01:35:19.540 and shooting and killing people

01:35:20.560 and stealing from them

01:35:21.380 I believe then

01:35:22.360 it's appropriate

01:35:22.840 for Trump to say

01:35:24.480 I don't care what you want

01:35:25.460 you're committing crimes

01:35:26.620 against people

01:35:27.060 so we're sending

01:35:27.540 a National Guard

01:35:28.100 whether you want us to or not.

01:35:29.180 And to enforce

01:35:29.660 immigration law as well

01:35:30.600 right?

01:35:31.180 Yeah absolutely.

01:35:32.140 Okay and so you don't

01:35:32.880 have a problem

01:35:33.340 with the military

01:35:34.220 enforcing civilian law

01:35:35.200 that's right?

01:35:36.120 In some circumstances

01:35:36.860 yes and some no.

01:35:37.680 So in the immigration context

01:35:39.500 you're totally fine

01:35:40.360 with let's say

01:35:41.640 Totally not

01:35:42.040 that's absolutism.

01:35:42.820 So you are fine

01:35:44.000 in the current context

01:35:45.080 with active duty marines

01:35:46.980 as was done in LA

01:35:47.900 being deployed

01:35:49.420 and then

01:35:49.900 in Chicago let's say

01:35:51.660 marines

01:35:52.360 When they're dropping

01:35:52.940 cinder blocks on people

01:35:54.220 and the local

01:35:55.020 enforcement

01:35:55.960 Wait wait wait wait

01:35:56.860 Let me finish the question.

01:35:58.240 Marines

01:35:58.600 excuse me

01:35:59.060 marines enforcing

01:36:00.320 and executing

01:36:01.360 an immigration search warrant

01:36:02.420 would you be in favor of that?

01:36:03.560 Did they find child slaves?

01:36:05.500 I asked you a question.

01:36:06.860 Did they find child slaves?

01:36:08.000 Whether they did or not

01:36:08.720 it doesn't have any bearing

01:36:09.700 on the question.

01:36:10.140 It certainly does.

01:36:10.880 Why?

01:36:11.620 Because we're not talking

01:36:12.420 about absolutes.

01:36:13.580 There are circumstances involved.

01:36:15.020 If the argument is

01:36:15.860 the marines can randomly

01:36:16.880 show up

01:36:17.500 and they're like

01:36:17.960 we're just going to do it anyway

01:36:18.800 I'd say well hold on there.

01:36:19.720 No no no

01:36:20.020 When the US government

01:36:21.820 says we have evidence

01:36:22.940 showing that there's

01:36:24.260 child slave labor

01:36:25.080 going on marijuana farms

01:36:26.280 I say yes to it.

01:36:26.960 Tim what I'm proposing

01:36:27.960 is

01:36:28.580 Hegseth

01:36:29.460 says marines

01:36:30.840 go enforce

01:36:31.600 immigration law

01:36:32.180 in the country.

01:36:32.820 You're cool with that.

01:36:33.940 Generally.

01:36:34.460 He doesn't say

01:36:35.040 oh because there's

01:36:36.000 child sex slavery.

01:36:36.980 He just says

01:36:37.680 we are executing

01:36:38.960 on our authority

01:36:40.060 under the US constitution

01:36:41.420 and we're saying

01:36:42.120 marines

01:36:42.580 go enforce

01:36:43.300 our immigration law.

01:36:44.400 Will it remove

01:36:45.040 criminal illegals

01:36:45.720 from the country?

01:36:46.900 Well hold on.

01:36:48.280 We have to get to it.

01:36:50.080 Let's try and advance

01:36:51.860 this from

01:36:52.380 fifth grade debate

01:36:53.340 to college.

01:36:53.620 Why don't you just

01:36:54.360 answer the question first?

01:36:55.060 I'm trying to but

01:36:55.680 so when you ask

01:36:58.560 something that didn't happen

01:36:59.620 for the purpose

01:37:00.480 of setting up a precept

01:37:01.720 that doesn't apply

01:37:02.920 Wait wait

01:37:03.240 the military did

01:37:04.780 help enforce

01:37:05.800 immigration law.

01:37:06.640 Why did they do it?

01:37:07.240 Because Trump asked them to.

01:37:08.360 Why did he ask them to do it?

01:37:09.540 Because he wanted them to.

01:37:10.740 I don't know.

01:37:11.220 You have to ask Trump.

01:37:11.960 Right so that's the

01:37:12.460 fifth grade level.

01:37:13.360 When you go to college

01:37:14.420 you find out that

01:37:15.580 in their cabinet meetings

01:37:16.740 they were like

01:37:17.160 there are child slaves

01:37:18.340 being held on pot farms.

01:37:20.080 We had to put a stop to it.

01:37:20.920 It wasn't just there.

01:37:21.480 It wasn't just there.

01:37:22.200 It was internal.

01:37:23.120 Okay so when

01:37:24.160 when you come to me

01:37:24.900 and say

01:37:25.280 let me ask you this question.

01:37:27.600 Should a

01:37:28.400 Wait no.

01:37:28.740 You never answered my question.

01:37:29.800 The answer is

01:37:30.700 Yes.

01:37:31.100 When applicable.

01:37:32.760 When applicable

01:37:33.400 is only when there's

01:37:34.220 an intersection with

01:37:34.840 child sex labor

01:37:35.360 or in general.

01:37:36.200 There's a lot of

01:37:36.840 circumstances in which

01:37:37.560 it's good the military

01:37:38.220 stops evil.

01:37:38.960 No but these requests

01:37:40.840 DHS says

01:37:41.980 we want these

01:37:42.660 ride alongs.

01:37:43.400 We want DHS to come

01:37:44.240 with us everywhere we go

01:37:45.260 to help us execute

01:37:46.220 these warrants for

01:37:47.000 and not just people

01:37:47.820 See this is the problem.

01:37:49.660 Whether it happened or not

01:37:50.360 I'm asking you

01:37:50.720 whether you'd be okay with it.

01:37:52.640 I don't know how many times

01:37:53.800 you need me to say

01:37:54.680 that the absolute

01:37:56.060 federalization of law enforcement

01:37:57.460 is a bad thing.

01:37:58.060 That's not what I'm talking about.

01:37:58.500 It's limited.

01:37:59.160 The scope I'm talking about here

01:38:00.360 is immigration enforcement.

01:38:01.860 You're saying

01:38:02.420 should the federal government

01:38:03.360 enforce local law

01:38:04.260 without reason?

01:38:04.620 Should the federal government

01:38:06.440 use the military

01:38:07.960 to enforce immigration law

01:38:09.360 in the interior of the country?

01:38:10.360 That's what I'm asking.

01:38:11.760 In the context of

01:38:13.080 Sometimes.

01:38:13.620 Okay for executing

01:38:14.980 search warrants.

01:38:15.980 Sometimes yes.

01:38:16.820 Sometimes yes.

01:38:18.540 I think that there's

01:38:19.140 a strong presumption

01:38:21.020 against that kind of

01:38:22.080 internal domestic law

01:38:22.980 enforcement by a military.

01:38:23.780 The answer is always

01:38:24.320 sometimes.

01:38:24.920 So this is what you

01:38:26.140 have not done thus far

01:38:27.380 in this discussion

01:38:27.980 and I'm just honestly

01:38:29.020 curious.

01:38:30.060 So what's your solution?

01:38:31.820 For what?

01:38:33.520 A bunch of murder

01:38:34.660 in Chicago.

01:38:36.280 Yeah I don't take that

01:38:37.080 to be the proposition

01:38:37.760 of what we're here

01:38:38.400 to talk about.

01:38:39.120 I'll answer for him.

01:38:41.120 I think we should

01:38:42.160 fund our law enforcement.

01:38:46.180 I think that we should

01:38:46.780 have when appropriate

01:38:47.740 use the FBI

01:38:48.740 and other federal resources

01:38:50.020 to help the city of Chicago.

01:38:52.900 Didn't work.

01:38:53.540 Hang on a second.

01:38:54.360 So to be clear

01:38:55.560 just because something

01:38:56.300 doesn't work

01:38:57.340 doesn't mean that

01:38:58.240 we should apply

01:38:59.400 the military solution.

01:39:00.740 That doesn't follow right?

01:39:01.580 Just because

01:39:01.800 You just keep doing

01:39:02.020 the same thing

01:39:02.400 over and over again

01:39:02.900 despite it not working?

01:39:03.200 If it doesn't work

01:39:04.660 you have to do

01:39:05.540 something that works.

01:39:06.340 Crime is down.

01:39:07.740 You said yourself

01:39:08.440 crime is down

01:39:08.920 overall in the country.

01:39:10.500 I mean Trump took credit

01:39:11.200 in D.C.

01:39:12.360 In D.C.

01:39:13.040 Trump was taking credit

01:39:13.880 for massive crime

01:39:15.020 coming down

01:39:16.040 in May of this year.

01:39:17.340 You know what I'm going to do?

01:39:17.900 That's great

01:39:18.200 but South Chicago

01:39:18.980 is still a hellhole.

01:39:20.060 You know what I want to do?

01:39:21.180 I want to juxtapose

01:39:22.400 your arguments

01:39:24.080 over Nick Fuentes'

01:39:25.300 because you guys

01:39:27.440 agree.

01:39:28.580 On what?

01:39:29.340 The crime is down in Chicago?

01:39:30.480 Yeah but they bulldozed

01:39:31.220 the black neighborhood.

01:39:32.520 Would you be in favor

01:39:33.280 of bulldozing

01:39:33.720 the black neighborhood?

01:39:34.480 Fuck no.

01:39:35.220 Would you?

01:39:36.140 But that's what

01:39:36.760 the Democrats did

01:39:37.960 over and over and over again.

01:39:39.660 Why are you suggesting

01:39:40.180 that I'm in favor of that?

01:39:41.220 I'm like fucking abundance built.

01:39:42.740 I think that we should

01:39:43.180 build more housing.

01:39:44.840 So when we're talking

01:39:46.040 about finding alternatives

01:39:47.400 to what they're

01:39:48.100 People who live in the city.

01:39:49.160 You said crime is down

01:39:50.720 and I'm like yeah

01:39:51.500 after Democrats

01:39:52.060 bulldozed the black neighborhood.

01:39:53.280 No.

01:39:53.780 You're going to characterize

01:39:54.800 the decrease in crime

01:39:56.900 that's been experienced

01:39:57.880 across the country really.

01:39:59.520 I mean crime has been going down.

01:40:00.500 Well that's also to do

01:40:01.980 with collection of statistics

01:40:03.140 as we've seen recently.

01:40:04.600 You're doubting the statistics?

01:40:05.880 You're doubting the FBI statistics?

01:40:07.100 No no no no.

01:40:07.520 Yeah because they have

01:40:08.540 dissolved in the last few years.

01:40:09.740 You know one of my favorite

01:40:10.860 When Trump takes credit

01:40:11.560 for my favorite website.

01:40:12.860 Not that in particular.

01:40:13.340 Not that one.

01:40:14.180 It's not when Trump takes credit.

01:40:15.540 Are you guys familiar

01:40:16.580 with the website

01:40:18.060 Spurious Correlations?

01:40:19.620 No.

01:40:19.920 No.

01:40:20.340 I'm not familiar with it.

01:40:21.580 Let me see if I can

01:40:22.020 pull this one up.

01:40:23.460 Oh is this like

01:40:24.000 the release of Nicolas Cage movies?

01:40:25.400 You do have a solution.

01:40:26.640 You're saying it locally

01:40:27.420 should be solved

01:40:28.120 by funding police more.

01:40:29.660 We should fund police more.

01:40:30.740 Look at this.

01:40:32.020 Yeah.

01:40:32.760 What's that?

01:40:33.040 The number of movies

01:40:34.200 Elijah Wood appeared in

01:40:35.300 versus the number of orderlies

01:40:36.600 in Oklahoma

01:40:37.220 and there is a direct correlation.

01:40:40.380 I think Elijah Wood

01:40:41.880 needs to be in more movies

01:40:42.940 because we're running out of orderlies.

01:40:44.460 Where is the problem

01:40:45.260 that I'm saying

01:40:45.760 like where you think

01:40:46.480 that I'm doing

01:40:46.940 correlation causation?

01:40:48.720 So when we talk about

01:40:49.980 why crime is down

01:40:50.760 do you know why crime is down?

01:40:52.900 I mean I have some guess

01:40:54.120 and intuitions.

01:40:54.900 The reason's better.

01:40:55.500 Okay so I expect

01:40:56.940 that's something to do

01:40:57.420 with overall you know

01:40:58.520 Population decline.

01:41:00.400 Population is not declining

01:41:01.400 in this country.

01:41:02.220 Population is declining

01:41:03.240 in this country.

01:41:03.680 No the growth rate

01:41:04.580 is decreasing

01:41:05.260 but our population

01:41:05.820 has grown.

01:41:06.520 I think this is going to be

01:41:07.900 the first year

01:41:08.480 that we actually decline

01:41:09.400 because we stopped

01:41:10.280 immigration.

01:41:11.560 And the average age

01:41:12.460 of immigrants is?

01:41:13.580 I'm not sure.

01:41:14.440 So they're adults

01:41:15.180 in their 20s

01:41:15.860 and crime in Chicago

01:41:18.420 is typically black teenagers

01:41:19.760 not only black teenagers

01:41:21.140 that's the point

01:41:21.480 I'm trying to make.

01:41:22.700 So when we're talking

01:41:23.820 about population decline

01:41:24.480 once again

01:41:25.000 Tim the population

01:41:25.900 was not declining

01:41:26.580 at the time.

01:41:27.180 Okay we got it

01:41:27.660 we're going to go there

01:41:28.540 again.

01:41:29.380 Hold on hold on

01:41:30.200 we're going to go there

01:41:31.480 again.

01:41:31.580 We're going to go there

01:41:32.500 again.

01:41:33.100 You can't look at

01:41:33.860 the overall population

01:41:34.880 and say population

01:41:35.760 hasn't changed.

01:41:36.660 Hold on.

01:41:37.480 Demographics did.

01:41:38.540 The age of the average

01:41:39.480 person is higher

01:41:40.820 because there's no

01:41:42.720 young people

01:41:43.100 and there's less

01:41:43.500 young people

01:41:43.820 there's less crime.

01:41:44.780 Young males

01:41:45.380 typically are the

01:41:46.740 perpetrators of crime.

01:41:48.000 So when you say

01:41:48.360 crime is going down

01:41:49.260 it correlates with

01:41:50.620 a lack of young people.

01:41:53.120 That's the spurious

01:41:53.680 correlation I'm pointing out.

01:41:54.500 You say crime is down

01:41:55.780 we don't need police.

01:41:56.780 No no no hold on.

01:41:57.360 I did not say that.

01:41:58.220 I said the opposite.

01:41:59.020 I said we should fund

01:41:59.600 police more.

01:42:00.480 Did you hear me say that?

01:42:01.240 When you were saying

01:42:01.920 did you or did you not

01:42:02.840 hear me say that?

01:42:03.480 The point is

01:42:03.880 what you just said

01:42:04.480 was fucking dishonest.

01:42:05.100 On the surface level

01:42:06.400 what happens is

01:42:07.440 people who don't know

01:42:08.980 why a thing happens

01:42:10.000 try to ascribe

01:42:11.040 the wrong solution.

01:42:13.080 When have I tried

01:42:13.960 can you identify

01:42:15.000 a single thing

01:42:15.920 that I've ascribed

01:42:16.580 the wrong

01:42:17.080 reason why crime

01:42:18.900 is going down?

01:42:19.500 Literally the subject matter

01:42:20.260 we're talking about.

01:42:20.960 When did I ascribe

01:42:21.700 a reason why crime

01:42:22.640 was going down?

01:42:22.880 You said population's

01:42:23.780 growing.

01:42:24.540 Hang on.

01:42:25.020 You brought up population.

01:42:26.320 Did I bring up

01:42:26.960 a reason why crime

01:42:27.820 is going down?

01:42:29.120 Do you remember?

01:42:30.060 Indeed.

01:42:30.420 No I didn't.

01:42:30.740 You don't know.

01:42:31.500 Sam when are you

01:42:32.040 going to start using

01:42:32.560 this gavel.

01:42:33.180 I did not state that.

01:42:34.920 No the skippity.

01:42:35.760 Who's this?

01:42:36.320 What is this?

01:42:37.480 Can I just be like

01:42:38.800 say Christ is the word?

01:42:40.500 Hang on.

01:42:41.560 Wait a second.

01:42:42.960 Say it.

01:42:44.280 Didn't I bring up

01:42:45.240 and you can tell me

01:42:45.900 you disagree with this

01:42:46.380 maybe you think

01:42:46.780 I brought it up

01:42:47.420 for some other reason

01:42:47.960 that crime is going down

01:42:49.560 to suggest to you

01:42:50.720 that it's less of a problem

01:42:52.740 than it was before.

01:42:53.580 You were suggesting

01:42:54.220 we don't need intervention

01:42:55.360 because crime is going down.

01:42:56.080 No no I'm saying

01:42:56.740 do you agree it's less of a problem

01:42:58.140 than it was 30 years ago?

01:43:00.780 Of course it is right?

01:43:01.740 Wait what?

01:43:02.340 Is crime less of a problem

01:43:04.380 now than it was 30 years ago?

01:43:05.460 It depends where.

01:43:06.820 Wait wait what?

01:43:08.240 Crime is a problem

01:43:09.200 always and it's of same value?

01:43:11.680 I love the bullshit.

01:43:12.120 The value or urgency

01:43:14.060 of crime hasn't changed at all?

01:43:15.620 So the urgency of crime

01:43:16.780 isn't affected

01:43:17.260 by how much crime there is?

01:43:18.220 Let me ask you.

01:43:18.880 I want to hear you say that

01:43:20.140 Tim is the urgency of crime

01:43:21.840 affected by how much crime

01:43:24.780 there is?

01:43:25.240 Is it?

01:43:25.980 The urgency is the urgency

01:43:28.220 of yes the more crime

01:43:29.860 there is the more we have

01:43:30.720 to be concerned about.

01:43:30.980 So crime is less urgent

01:43:31.880 now than it was 30 years ago

01:43:32.820 is that right?

01:43:33.480 Why not?

01:43:34.240 Do you know why

01:43:34.800 the murder rate went down?

01:43:36.200 Can you answer my question?

01:43:37.060 I am answering your question

01:43:37.940 but you're not smart enough

01:43:38.700 to understand complex situations.

01:43:40.160 Listen listen listen

01:43:40.480 you can answer

01:43:41.000 a question is not an answer

01:43:42.220 so I'm not sure

01:43:43.100 you're asking

01:43:44.420 do you understand murder rates?

01:43:45.640 I don't know.

01:43:46.400 I'm going to pause real quick

01:43:47.400 and just go to like

01:43:48.420 comprehensive skill.

01:43:50.480 Yeah.

01:43:50.640 You know there's an issue

01:43:52.860 we see in Congress

01:43:53.520 all the time

01:43:53.940 where someone will ask

01:43:54.600 a question that requires

01:43:55.360 a comprehensive answer

01:43:56.160 the left and the right

01:43:56.760 does this

01:43:57.260 where you can't

01:43:58.600 like you know

01:43:59.060 it's the question

01:43:59.620 when did you stop

01:44:00.800 beating your wife?

01:44:01.740 It's like well hold on

01:44:02.640 there a minute

01:44:02.920 the answer is not

01:44:03.540 a specific time.

01:44:04.660 Why don't you answer

01:44:05.300 why is crime less urgent

01:44:06.440 now when there's less crime?

01:44:07.940 Sorry why is crime

01:44:09.000 just as urgent

01:44:10.740 or more urgent

01:44:11.540 now when there's less crime?

01:44:12.760 Do me a favor

01:44:13.140 don't talk for 30 seconds.

01:44:14.580 Can I ask you guys a question?

01:44:15.560 Please.

01:44:16.040 Do you know why the murder rate

01:44:16.820 has gone down substantially

01:44:17.760 in the United States?

01:44:21.000 Yeah probably as you said

01:44:22.440 a few young people

01:44:23.160 that would be something.

01:44:23.620 No.

01:44:24.520 Any idea?

01:44:26.440 Internet?

01:44:27.380 Cell phones.

01:44:28.180 Yeah.

01:44:28.920 The crime is still happening

01:44:29.940 but because people

01:44:31.420 have faster ability

01:44:32.840 to call 911

01:44:33.560 and ambulances arrive

01:44:34.920 on scene much more quickly

01:44:35.760 the rate at which you die

01:44:37.700 from the violent crime

01:44:38.720 has gone down.

01:44:40.340 What ended up happening

01:44:41.220 is with the ubiquity

01:44:42.400 of cell phones

01:44:42.900 in the late 2000s

01:44:43.720 we see a big drop off

01:44:44.660 in the murder rate.

01:44:45.780 What we ended up seeing

01:44:46.640 from many politicians

01:44:47.480 was murder is down

01:44:48.460 we're winning.

01:44:49.400 What they didn't understand

01:44:50.260 was that attempted murder

01:44:51.140 or violent aggravated assaults

01:44:52.780 remained static.

01:44:54.400 So in the 90s

01:44:56.240 if you got stabbed

01:44:56.940 someone would run

01:44:57.720 and try and find a phone

01:44:58.400 you died.

01:44:59.320 In 2010 you got stabbed

01:45:00.800 someone took their cell phone

01:45:01.800 called 911

01:45:02.320 and within minutes

01:45:03.200 the paramedics were there

01:45:04.160 decreasing the amount

01:45:05.460 at which someone got murdered.

01:45:06.980 So is the urgency

01:45:08.420 of crime changed

01:45:09.160 because murder has gone down?

01:45:10.420 No no no no

01:45:10.800 it's still happening

01:45:11.780 but with the ability

01:45:12.920 to call law enforcement

01:45:14.020 and first responders quickly

01:45:15.580 It's not just murder Tim

01:45:16.500 you know that.

01:45:16.980 Everything is down

01:45:19.000 over a long period of time

01:45:21.320 it's down.

01:45:21.980 And that perhaps correlates

01:45:22.400 with a decrease

01:45:22.860 in young people

01:45:23.360 But I'm asking you

01:45:24.300 doesn't that make it

01:45:25.080 so that crime

01:45:25.560 is less of an issue now

01:45:26.600 in the United States

01:45:27.180 than it was before?

01:45:27.840 May I ask a conditional

01:45:28.960 Can you answer that first?

01:45:30.660 Can you answer that first?

01:45:31.860 Is crime less of a problem

01:45:32.680 now than it was?

01:45:33.160 I answered it like five times already.

01:45:35.000 No answer this question

01:45:36.500 Is crime less of a problem

01:45:37.500 now than 30, 40?

01:45:38.900 You said a bunch of shit

01:45:39.920 about cell phones

01:45:40.560 and this is why murder rates are down.

01:45:41.640 The problem of crime

01:45:42.060 is static.

01:45:42.860 It is unchanging.

01:45:43.960 Crime is always bad.

01:45:44.840 So whether or not crime is a problem

01:45:46.820 does not bear on its incidents

01:45:49.140 whether it's happening a lot.

01:45:50.180 Do you need me to get shapes

01:45:50.940 to put in a bucket

01:45:51.620 so you can understand

01:45:52.440 which shapes it's in which?

01:45:52.800 If there's one crime

01:45:54.200 that's just as bad

01:45:55.280 just as urgent

01:45:56.000 as a thousand crimes

01:45:57.160 No!

01:45:57.640 Okay so then what's the issue here?

01:45:58.860 Why don't you answer the question?

01:45:59.960 It's like your brain

01:46:01.120 is a

01:46:01.680 what were those?

01:46:03.400 Duplos?

01:46:04.640 I don't know what a Duplo is.

01:46:05.800 Exactly.

01:46:06.440 What's a Duplo?

01:46:07.220 Duplo were the really big Legos

01:46:09.160 because little kids

01:46:10.320 didn't have the ability

01:46:11.060 to comprehend small shapes.

01:46:12.920 But hang on.

01:46:13.760 You keep doing the same thing

01:46:15.300 where you say

01:46:15.860 what about this problem?

01:46:17.880 Do you agree with an absolute?

01:46:19.280 I don't.

01:46:19.780 What about this absolute?

01:46:20.720 I don't agree with that.

01:46:21.220 Is more crime worse?

01:46:23.380 More crime is worse.

01:46:25.060 Okay.

01:46:25.620 Now that we have less crime

01:46:27.400 If we have less crime

01:46:28.760 is that less of a problem?

01:46:29.040 Can I come in on that?

01:46:30.160 Oh my god he's retarded.

01:46:31.240 Can I come in on that please?

01:46:32.360 Yeah go for it.

01:46:33.040 Is more crime worse?

01:46:34.400 Yes.

01:46:34.960 Okay excellent.

01:46:35.880 You said earlier

01:46:36.480 Kamala Harris is better than Donald Trump.

01:46:38.020 Yeah.

01:46:38.220 Okay every single crime

01:46:40.320 committed by an immigrant

01:46:41.220 legal or illegal

01:46:42.100 is optional.

01:46:42.840 They didn't need to be

01:46:43.280 in the country.

01:46:43.940 She wanted to increase

01:46:44.960 immigration

01:46:45.880 and under her watch

01:46:47.080 10 million illegals

01:46:47.860 came into the country.

01:46:48.760 So therefore

01:46:49.240 your policies are directly

01:46:50.580 supporting an increasing crime.

01:46:51.740 No so first of all

01:46:52.420 there could be a lot

01:46:52.920 of different reasons why

01:46:53.880 Oh now he found nuance.

01:46:56.020 Now he found the Legos.

01:46:57.120 It's not nuance.

01:46:57.560 There you go.

01:46:57.900 There could be a lot of

01:46:58.420 It's disingenuous.

01:46:59.200 I can get granular

01:47:00.340 when it affects my politics.

01:47:01.760 It's not disingenuous at all.

01:47:02.660 Yeah it is.

01:47:03.140 So hang on.

01:47:03.980 It's absolute when it applies

01:47:05.380 to your political opponents

01:47:06.140 but it's granular when it applies to you.

01:47:07.340 Shut the fuck up dude.

01:47:08.680 Hang on.

01:47:09.120 Let's do a one on one.

01:47:10.220 Real quick.

01:47:10.640 The whole time.

01:47:11.220 Real quick.

01:47:12.160 So would you vote for Trump

01:47:14.160 if you knew that it would

01:47:15.100 increase slightly the crime rate

01:47:16.380 versus Kamala Harris?

01:47:19.140 That's untrue though.

01:47:20.080 No.

01:47:20.460 If it were

01:47:21.120 but I didn't have breakfast.

01:47:22.340 I didn't have breakfast.

01:47:23.060 I didn't have breakfast.

01:47:23.500 Holy shit dude.

01:47:24.840 It's called a fucking hypothetical.

01:47:26.600 Why?

01:47:26.940 Why would crime go up?

01:47:27.800 Why would crime go up?

01:47:28.620 Why?

01:47:29.060 Hang on.

01:47:29.800 Hang on.

01:47:30.120 I've been hostile to you

01:47:30.860 the entire show.

01:47:31.920 There's no need to be

01:47:32.460 passive aggressive.

01:47:33.160 Just answer the question bro.

01:47:34.780 You guys are fucking

01:47:35.380 I can.

01:47:35.740 I can.

01:47:36.340 Okay.

01:47:36.960 I can.

01:47:37.380 I can.

01:47:37.700 I can.

01:47:39.060 In what sense?

01:47:40.520 As in why?

01:47:41.740 Why would it?

01:47:42.260 No no.

01:47:42.700 Why would it?

01:47:43.020 So let me just

01:47:44.100 give me a second.

01:47:44.840 What he's going to do

01:47:45.440 is he's going to say

01:47:46.060 would you vote for Trump

01:47:47.480 if it would increase the crime?

01:47:48.580 Yes.

01:47:48.800 In certain circumstances

01:47:49.940 where Trump would do one thing

01:47:51.500 that would be a net positive

01:47:52.680 with a net negative

01:47:53.360 he will then turn it around

01:47:54.500 and present with an absolute saying

01:47:55.440 aha you support crime.

01:47:56.000 This is exactly

01:47:56.480 this is what I'm saying

01:47:59.800 just because even if I

01:48:00.820 bought on to your assumption

01:48:02.500 that Kamala Harris

01:48:03.560 would increase crime in this country

01:48:04.600 I don't buy that assumption.

01:48:05.920 I don't think that's born out.

01:48:06.800 I don't know.

01:48:07.680 You're distinguishing also

01:48:08.460 four years

01:48:09.340 you're distinguishing

01:48:10.160 you're distinguishing also

01:48:11.260 between like immigrant crime

01:48:12.560 and non-immigrant crime.

01:48:13.720 Basically what I'm saying

01:48:14.180 it's because

01:48:14.600 all immigrant crime

01:48:15.760 is an option.

01:48:16.520 If they weren't here

01:48:17.100 they wouldn't commit the crime.

01:48:17.820 All I'm trying to say is

01:48:19.020 that there are a lot of

01:48:20.560 different reasons

01:48:21.540 that go into why

01:48:22.240 you would vote for someone.

01:48:23.380 What I'm trying to isolate

01:48:24.260 Tim on is

01:48:25.120 is crime less of an issue

01:48:26.960 today than it was

01:48:28.060 30 years ago?

01:48:29.280 And so regardless of my answer

01:48:30.680 to whether I would vote

01:48:31.360 for Kamala Harris

01:48:31.920 notwithstanding the increase

01:48:32.900 in immigrant crime

01:48:33.520 your assumption is

01:48:35.240 Let me answer this okay?

01:48:38.260 If there are a thousand people

01:48:39.460 in a football field

01:48:40.340 and there's a 10% crime rate

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01:49:22.760 Oh man

01:49:23.960 I mean

01:49:24.760 100 people got mugged

01:49:26.440 That's 100

01:49:27.800 100 muggings

01:49:28.820 That's crazy

01:49:29.400 We gotta do something

01:49:29.900 about that

01:49:30.340 50 years later

01:49:32.200 this football field

01:49:34.040 is decrepit

01:49:34.800 and only 100 people

01:49:35.740 are there

01:49:36.060 The same amount

01:49:37.940 of crime happens

01:49:38.640 10%

01:49:39.160 It's only 10

01:49:40.120 Crime's not a problem

01:49:41.040 anymore is it

01:49:41.640 Actually

01:49:42.400 the crime rate

01:49:43.360 stayed the same

01:49:44.040 So

01:49:45.020 there's something

01:49:46.000 that I refer to

01:49:46.460 as the scaling problem

01:49:47.480 and I'll give you

01:49:48.640 a good example

01:49:49.120 We experience this

01:49:49.900 as a growing nation

01:49:50.960 which is why I made

01:49:51.500 the point about

01:49:51.980 how life used to be worse

01:49:53.000 It certainly is better now

01:49:53.920 but doesn't mean

01:49:54.600 we ignore our problems

01:49:55.380 Let's say that

01:49:57.320 Apple releases

01:49:58.060 100 iPhones

01:49:59.820 to a bunch of celebrities

01:50:00.640 They all go online

01:50:02.500 and they show off

01:50:02.940 their new iPhones

01:50:03.520 but there's a 1%

01:50:05.040 failure rate

01:50:05.660 among these phones

01:50:06.360 One celebrity

01:50:08.160 comes out

01:50:08.540 and says

01:50:08.640 My phone broke

01:50:09.280 No one cares

01:50:11.540 Nobody cares

01:50:12.420 Because one guy

01:50:13.520 had a broken phone

01:50:14.140 Who cares

01:50:15.020 But that's a 1%

01:50:15.980 failure rate

01:50:16.440 Let's say after this

01:50:17.900 Apple releases

01:50:18.560 100 million phones

01:50:19.640 to the public

01:50:20.080 with the same

01:50:21.220 failure rate

01:50:21.840 Overnight

01:50:23.000 there are 1 million

01:50:24.640 Instagram posts

01:50:25.760 100 million phones

01:50:26.920 get released

01:50:27.300 with a 1% failure rate

01:50:28.220 1 million people

01:50:29.560 are spam blasting

01:50:30.400 on Instagram

01:50:30.760 My phone is broken

01:50:31.520 instantly

01:50:32.220 Everyone's like

01:50:33.240 Holy shit

01:50:34.440 What is wrong

01:50:35.640 with these iPhones

01:50:36.400 despite the fact

01:50:37.560 the rate is the same

01:50:38.780 This is

01:50:40.200 in a system

01:50:41.460 the larger it becomes

01:50:43.400 the lower there is

01:50:44.200 a tolerance for failure

01:50:45.220 The reason why

01:50:46.600 crime becomes a problem

01:50:47.720 and it's inverse

01:50:48.900 You can argue

01:50:49.460 if crime is going down

01:50:51.680 isn't it not as much

01:50:52.960 of a problem?

01:50:53.660 Not necessarily

01:50:54.860 If we are dealing

01:50:56.320 with a population

01:50:57.080 of 1 million people

01:50:58.500 and we have 1 million

01:51:01.280 muggings

01:51:01.900 everyone got mugged

01:51:03.140 The next year

01:51:04.300 half the people leave

01:51:05.460 because of the crime

01:51:06.180 and now there's only

01:51:07.000 500,000 muggings

01:51:07.960 we go

01:51:08.200 it's not a problem

01:51:08.960 anymore because

01:51:09.680 crime's cut in half

01:51:10.640 You realize what you've done

01:51:11.460 right?

01:51:11.640 No, no, no, no

01:51:11.820 The issue still is

01:51:13.560 everyone's still getting mugged

01:51:14.660 Crime is still a problem

01:51:15.620 You realize what you've done

01:51:16.560 right?

01:51:16.820 What have I done?

01:51:18.540 So now when Trump

01:51:19.500 cites the decrease

01:51:20.780 in crime

01:51:22.180 when he does

01:51:22.880 these deployments

01:51:23.560 that doesn't matter

01:51:24.840 right?

01:51:25.920 In what context?

01:51:26.580 You just said

01:51:27.540 essentially

01:51:28.100 you can't just look

01:51:29.160 at crime rates

01:51:29.800 going down

01:51:30.340 and make any kind

01:51:31.000 of conclusion about it

01:51:32.080 relative to population size

01:51:33.580 The current situation

01:51:34.500 isn't better

01:51:35.120 in terms of crime overall

01:51:36.140 because the crime rate's

01:51:37.020 going down

01:51:37.440 that's fucking simplistic

01:51:38.320 and so when Trump

01:51:39.280 is going to claim credit

01:51:40.860 for decreased crime rates

01:51:42.020 because of his deployments

01:51:42.680 you're going to say

01:51:43.160 that doesn't tell you

01:51:44.200 jack shit

01:51:44.740 I'm going to look

01:51:45.620 at the camera

01:51:46.020 because I don't think

01:51:46.820 there's any reason

01:51:47.180 to say it to him

01:51:47.800 Do you realize

01:51:48.580 what you've done?

01:51:49.120 When I said

01:51:49.860 crime relative

01:51:51.000 to population size

01:51:52.300 is different

01:51:52.740 from overall crime

01:51:53.660 over the course

01:51:54.200 of a year

01:51:54.760 I don't think

01:51:55.800 people can comprehend

01:51:56.620 what that means

01:51:57.300 No, I think you realize

01:51:58.940 that the danger

01:52:00.080 that you've done

01:52:00.520 what you've just done

01:52:02.700 is

01:52:02.960 if you're discounting

01:52:04.740 the overall benefit

01:52:05.880 of crime going down

01:52:08.880 over the course

01:52:09.780 of 30 years

01:52:10.340 and you're saying

01:52:10.840 I can't read into

01:52:11.640 these crime rates

01:52:12.320 that go down all the time

01:52:13.140 who knows

01:52:13.520 whether going down

01:52:14.160 up and down

01:52:14.620 you can't read into

01:52:15.420 it's still a problem

01:52:15.960 still equally the problem

01:52:16.580 You just hear

01:52:16.680 like a dial tone

01:52:17.480 When Trump cites

01:52:19.300 that very same statistics

01:52:20.540 in the context

01:52:21.140 of his deployments

01:52:21.780 you're going to be

01:52:22.340 saying the same thing

01:52:23.080 aren't you?

01:52:24.240 So you're arguing

01:52:24.940 that in the course

01:52:25.660 of six months

01:52:26.420 Trump will say

01:52:27.080 in six months time

01:52:28.400 with the same population

01:52:29.460 the same demographic

01:52:30.460 we deployed law enforcement

01:52:31.980 and crime went down

01:52:32.640 is identical to

01:52:33.500 a 30 year population shift

01:52:34.900 with crime

01:52:35.320 You tell me

01:52:36.140 are you going to read

01:52:37.480 into those stats?

01:52:38.240 No, that's not the same

01:52:38.640 I just don't

01:52:40.220 I think

01:52:40.600 I do think

01:52:41.920 Peace Goes Smart

01:52:42.380 I think he's just

01:52:42.720 intentionally being a sophist

01:52:44.520 In what sense

01:52:45.120 is that sophistry?

01:52:46.480 So the crime rate

01:52:47.600 going down

01:52:48.320 over a course of time

01:52:49.380 The difference between

01:52:49.400 a one month deployment

01:52:50.280 is different from

01:52:50.940 a 30 year demographic shift

01:52:52.540 Is that hard to understand?

01:52:53.640 Yeah

01:52:53.780 It is hard to understand

01:52:54.920 The one month deployment

01:52:56.960 if it produces

01:52:57.960 some lower amount of crime

01:52:59.500 I would agree with Trump

01:53:01.140 Trump won't ban TikTok

01:53:03.000 It's violating the law

01:53:05.620 I agree with that

01:53:06.820 He should ban TikTok?

01:53:08.260 No, no

01:53:08.540 I agree that he's

01:53:09.040 violating the law

01:53:09.600 Why do you care?

01:53:10.780 He could just say

01:53:11.480 that the law is bad

01:53:12.280 and you would support him

01:53:13.160 right?

01:53:13.660 No

01:53:13.940 It's a weird world

01:53:17.420 where it's like

01:53:17.940 you know what you do is

01:53:18.860 You can't appeal to the law

01:53:19.740 and just say it doesn't matter

01:53:20.520 in other contexts

01:53:21.160 can you?

01:53:22.400 In what context

01:53:22.960 does it not matter?

01:53:23.640 In the context

01:53:24.320 of the military deployment

01:53:25.120 you say it doesn't matter

01:53:25.820 if he breaks the law

01:53:26.380 but in TikTok

01:53:27.200 you're like

01:53:27.560 he's breaking the law

01:53:28.420 by not enforcing TikTok

01:53:29.280 Just like you said

01:53:30.540 that you think trans people

01:53:31.480 should be allowed to have guns

01:53:32.400 but other

01:53:32.820 I don't know

01:53:33.340 wait

01:53:33.500 what's the

01:53:33.920 You don't want me to finish?

01:53:34.760 Yeah, what's the comparison there?

01:53:35.640 That the DSM-5 lists

01:53:37.080 categories of mental disorders

01:53:39.220 that you've personally decided

01:53:40.500 some should and should not

01:53:41.580 I haven't decided anything

01:53:42.500 So trans people

01:53:43.220 shouldn't be allowed to have guns?

01:53:44.040 No, I haven't decided

01:53:44.980 Should trans people

01:53:45.660 be allowed to have guns?

01:53:45.880 Wait, transgenderism

01:53:46.720 is in the DSM-5

01:53:49.000 It was taken up

01:53:49.680 for activist reasons

01:53:50.440 Do you agree that

01:53:51.060 not all transgender people

01:53:51.780 Gender dysphoria is in the DSM-5

01:53:52.760 Not all transgender people

01:53:53.900 have gender dysphoria, correct?

01:53:55.140 Okay

01:53:55.340 Do you agree with that

01:53:56.260 yes or no?

01:53:57.100 No, they all do

01:53:59.220 No, no, no

01:54:00.600 That's not true

01:54:01.220 Because some are like

01:54:01.880 trans being transvestite

01:54:03.460 or something

01:54:03.780 It's like a weird

01:54:04.400 cultural argument

01:54:05.140 You're changing the argument

01:54:06.980 They're different terms

01:54:07.640 Just address what I asked

01:54:08.520 Do you believe

01:54:10.220 that there are certain

01:54:10.740 DSM-5 categories

01:54:11.620 that are and are not

01:54:12.900 disqualified from winning a gun?

01:54:15.100 Yeah, under our

01:54:16.020 constitutional precedent

01:54:16.780 That's right

01:54:17.200 Do you think Trump is wrong

01:54:18.860 to say that people

01:54:19.400 with gender dysphoria

01:54:19.880 shouldn't be allowed to have guns?

01:54:21.400 He didn't say that

01:54:22.280 No, the news media

01:54:23.160 reported trans as a colloquialism

01:54:24.700 He didn't say gender dysphoria

01:54:26.020 He didn't say anything

01:54:26.920 Yeah

01:54:27.340 Right

01:54:28.120 So whatever the reporting is

01:54:30.080 isn't specific to gender dysphoria

01:54:31.360 That's not what's being

01:54:32.040 It says trans

01:54:32.840 Yeah, but not all trans people

01:54:34.320 have gender dysphoria

01:54:35.580 So you agree with that

01:54:36.660 Stop being so obtuse

01:54:37.840 you know what I'm asking you

01:54:38.860 No, I don't know

01:54:39.420 what you're asking me

01:54:40.000 Do you believe that

01:54:41.160 some categories of DSM-5 are

01:54:43.100 and some are not

01:54:44.280 disqualifying from owning a gun?

01:54:45.680 Yeah, I don't know

01:54:46.080 which those are

01:54:46.640 because I'm not a

01:54:47.040 Second Amendment scholar

01:54:47.720 and I don't know

01:54:48.700 what the test is

01:54:49.940 So you have a moral determination

01:54:51.640 on when

01:54:52.160 some laws should or should not

01:54:54.000 be enforced

01:54:54.120 I'm specifically

01:54:54.760 No, no

01:54:55.200 The argument from the

01:54:56.720 Second Amendment perspective

01:54:57.460 is not that

01:54:58.200 you don't apply the law

01:54:59.660 It's what does the law

01:55:00.820 actually cover

01:55:01.520 Right?

01:55:01.840 Saying that the Second Amendment

01:55:02.560 the scope of the Second Amendment

01:55:03.320 Do you believe that there are

01:55:04.400 some laws that are unjust?

01:55:05.160 I just want to make sure

01:55:05.800 you understand this

01:55:06.220 You can't answer the question

01:55:07.380 Are there some laws

01:55:08.520 that are unjust

01:55:08.960 and should be abolished?

01:55:09.960 Yes

01:55:10.160 So there are certain times

01:55:12.100 where you think it's good

01:55:13.160 that people should violate the law

01:55:14.720 I can think of times

01:55:16.140 when it would be good

01:55:16.720 to violate the law

01:55:17.440 Yes, I can

01:55:18.140 So why would you act like

01:55:19.260 I'm any different from you?

01:55:20.580 No, no, no

01:55:21.080 because in general

01:55:22.580 Just because hypothetically

01:55:24.620 Sometimes violent law is good

01:55:26.700 sometimes it's bad

01:55:27.320 So you who discount hypothetically

01:55:28.840 that's crazy to consider hypotheticals

01:55:30.640 No, you're making things up

01:55:31.720 I don't know what you're

01:55:32.180 So in some hypotheticals

01:55:34.220 You live in a world

01:55:34.380 where only you have the authority

01:55:35.980 to determine when laws should be broken

01:55:37.680 and other people

01:55:38.660 who have the exact same moral standard

01:55:39.940 don't get to

01:55:40.660 Everyone I think agrees

01:55:42.080 that there are some cases

01:55:43.700 Then why did you ask me?

01:55:45.660 Because you seem to think

01:55:47.020 that in the main

01:55:47.780 the law should be followed

01:55:49.020 You don't agree that in the main

01:55:50.220 the law should be followed?

01:55:51.080 The main

01:55:51.940 Unless you reach a threshold of harm

01:55:54.740 that you should not

01:55:55.540 When we started this show

01:55:56.820 I said sometimes it's good

01:55:58.080 to break the law

01:55:58.780 Sometimes laws are unjust

01:56:00.360 and law does not mean morality

01:56:01.320 So Trump might say

01:56:02.100 it's good to break the law

01:56:03.300 for TikTok

01:56:03.640 Do you agree?

01:56:04.640 I do not agree

01:56:05.380 So then you should just be arguing

01:56:07.040 whether the TikTok ban

01:56:08.420 is good or bad

01:56:09.020 Why are you saying it's illegal?

01:56:10.740 Because a law was passed

01:56:12.320 Trump is violating

01:56:13.300 What do you care?

01:56:15.320 Tim thinks the law

01:56:16.400 is morally correct

01:56:17.460 The law that was passed

01:56:19.480 is morally correct

01:56:20.240 and Trump is violating

01:56:20.980 No, but you should just say

01:56:21.700 it's morally good to ban TikTok

01:56:23.320 Indeed it is

01:56:24.220 Right

01:56:24.460 Okay

01:56:25.360 Okay, so why do you appeal

01:56:26.980 to the legality of it?

01:56:28.800 Same reason you do

01:56:29.520 Why?

01:56:30.960 Political power

01:56:31.640 Okay, so you're just saying

01:56:32.960 it's in bad faith

01:56:33.540 You're doing it in bad faith

01:56:34.880 It's not bad faith

01:56:35.720 It's my moral world view

01:56:36.960 Okay

01:56:37.760 Are you doing it in bad faith

01:56:39.020 when you do it?

01:56:39.460 No, because I think

01:56:40.060 I actually have a respect

01:56:40.780 for the law in our system

01:56:41.600 and our institutions

01:56:42.080 No, you don't

01:56:42.700 I think I do

01:56:43.260 Should people go to prison

01:56:44.580 federally for smoking pot?

01:56:46.280 No

01:56:46.600 Oh, he's got no respect

01:56:47.820 for the law

01:56:48.360 I don't think

01:56:48.980 Hang on

01:56:49.640 Do I think it's legal

01:56:50.980 for them to do so?

01:56:51.980 I think it's legal

01:56:52.520 for them to do so

01:56:53.220 It's not a schedule

01:56:54.200 on drug?

01:56:55.360 Hang on

01:56:55.780 I think it's legal

01:56:56.620 for them to be sent to prison

01:56:58.320 for violating the

01:56:59.360 Controlled Substance Act

01:57:00.160 I think that's legal to do

01:57:01.160 Should everyone follow that law?

01:57:02.320 They should change the law

01:57:02.820 They should change the law

01:57:03.780 Oh, okay

01:57:04.160 So should people be

01:57:05.740 So nobody

01:57:06.460 should stop smoking pot

01:57:07.840 Schedule one

01:57:08.760 I didn't say that

01:57:10.100 Should police arrest people?

01:57:12.140 Should the federal FPS

01:57:13.940 arrest people in D.C.?

01:57:15.240 I don't think it's a high priority

01:57:16.220 Like an ounce of pot?

01:57:17.320 Yes

01:57:17.640 Yes or no

01:57:18.520 Yes or no

01:57:19.700 Should the law be followed?

01:57:20.500 So I think the law

01:57:21.360 should be followed

01:57:22.000 I do think the law should be followed

01:57:22.800 Okay, let's lock them all up

01:57:23.880 But that doesn't mean

01:57:24.680 that you should lock everyone up

01:57:25.540 Right?

01:57:25.840 You agree with that?

01:57:26.400 Just because there's

01:57:27.200 technical violations of the law

01:57:28.740 doesn't mean that we should

01:57:29.400 have maximal enforcement

01:57:30.360 So you agree with me?

01:57:31.400 No, but you're talking about

01:57:32.300 You agree with me?

01:57:32.820 No, no

01:57:33.220 Sometimes you don't follow

01:57:34.080 the law, it's immoral

01:57:34.640 Tim, Tim

01:57:35.320 Just because there's

01:57:36.200 enforcement discretion

01:57:36.940 and we can't have

01:57:37.540 perfect enforcement of the laws

01:57:38.700 all the time

01:57:39.320 doesn't mean that we should

01:57:40.340 violate the law, right?

01:57:41.740 You agree with me?

01:57:42.600 No, hang on

01:57:43.360 You don't agree with me?

01:57:43.980 You're suggesting that

01:57:44.840 it's okay to violate the law

01:57:46.100 but the government

01:57:46.900 to violate the law

01:57:47.640 You agree with me?

01:57:50.160 No

01:57:50.480 It's not violating the law

01:57:51.940 not to lock everyone up

01:57:52.980 in prison for pot

01:57:53.700 That's not violating the law

01:57:54.880 So I consider myself

01:57:57.200 to be AI

01:57:57.760 Tim, do you agree with that?

01:57:59.100 Not locking up everybody

01:58:00.460 for smoking pot

01:58:01.300 isn't breaking the law

01:58:02.300 Do you agree with that?

01:58:03.340 Not locking up everybody

01:58:05.240 Correct

01:58:05.580 Is not breaking the law

01:58:07.300 Correct

01:58:07.620 It would be impossible

01:58:09.040 You would need a

01:58:10.280 panopticon AI

01:58:11.720 flying skyship

01:58:12.960 to be able to

01:58:13.560 So arguing

01:58:14.580 physical impossibilities

01:58:16.180 But here's the point

01:58:17.220 as I will express it

01:58:18.320 Pisco plays a game

01:58:19.760 where he is allowed

01:58:20.740 to bend the rules

01:58:21.380 when it applies

01:58:21.840 to his political ideology

01:58:22.860 I agree that he does

01:58:24.380 and he can

01:58:24.920 When?

01:58:25.540 When did I bend the rules?

01:58:26.480 Literally just right now

01:58:26.940 When did I bend the rules?

01:58:28.160 You told me I was wrong

01:58:29.620 for appealing to legality

01:58:31.500 on the issue of TikTok

01:58:32.440 Yeah, because you don't

01:58:33.580 care about the law

01:58:34.260 And you don't either

01:58:35.880 I do care about the law

01:58:36.740 You don't

01:58:37.420 Yeah, I do

01:58:37.840 You're a moral absolutist

01:58:39.860 who thinks you are

01:58:40.620 superior to other people

01:58:41.720 You appeal to the law

01:58:42.740 when you don't care about the law

01:58:43.520 I appeal to the law

01:58:44.080 and I do care about the law

01:58:44.800 That's the difference

01:58:45.200 You don't

01:58:45.560 Yeah

01:58:45.880 Prove it, show it

01:58:46.260 You just claim that

01:58:47.120 other people who disagree with me

01:58:48.180 must not care about the law

01:58:48.960 because they won't follow my ideology

01:58:50.460 No, no, that's not true at all

01:58:51.700 You're an authoritarian

01:58:53.140 and I'm an anarchist

01:58:54.260 You think you're an anarchist?

01:58:55.780 You're supporting these

01:58:56.480 massive military deployments

01:58:57.640 all over the country

01:58:58.260 What is anarchy?

01:58:58.720 And you call yourself an anarchist

01:59:00.040 What is anarchy?

01:59:00.500 You're supporting Trump

01:59:01.360 like deporting people

01:59:02.100 because they're critical of Israel

01:59:03.320 What is anarchy?

01:59:05.240 What do you mean?

01:59:06.020 Anarchy is the belief

01:59:07.780 that government is unjust

01:59:08.780 and the organization

01:59:09.480 Sorry, can we pause a second?

01:59:10.940 Incorrect

01:59:11.300 I don't think that's Tim's view

01:59:12.340 It is Tim's view

01:59:13.160 When did Tim's view?

01:59:14.260 We had a conversation

01:59:15.320 about Mahmoud Khalil

01:59:16.340 Let me just stress something real quick

01:59:19.940 What Pisco does

01:59:21.860 is he tries to trap you

01:59:25.240 into an absolute position

01:59:26.360 that you will deny

01:59:27.840 800,000 times

01:59:28.900 like I've done

01:59:29.220 throughout the entirety of the show

01:59:30.080 I can tell

01:59:30.260 I can tell for the last two hours

01:59:31.580 Hang on a second

01:59:31.900 You deny that you supported

01:59:33.660 Mahmoud Khalil's deportation

01:59:35.000 You have

01:59:35.560 Whoa, whoa, whoa

01:59:36.660 Whoa, whoa

01:59:37.840 You supported that deportation

01:59:39.680 Clip this guy's

01:59:40.660 For Israel or what?

01:59:41.580 Clip this guy's

01:59:42.380 This is a really, really great one

01:59:43.360 He said, I support in general

01:59:45.380 people being deported over Israel

01:59:46.720 Then, when challenged

01:59:47.920 he did the Mahmoud Khalil

01:59:49.200 back to a single individual

01:59:50.360 with certain contexts

01:59:51.200 Well, that's why

01:59:52.060 he's being deported, isn't he?

01:59:53.140 And the same thing

01:59:53.600 with Rameza Ozturk

01:59:54.940 Didn't he call to destroy

01:59:55.740 Western civilization?

01:59:56.400 My point is made

01:59:56.820 Hang on a second

01:59:57.780 He's being deported

01:59:58.920 because he was critical of Israel

01:59:59.840 You ask a question

02:00:00.620 about a specific criminal context

02:00:01.960 but then try to claim

02:00:02.880 Criminal context?

02:00:03.780 What is he being charged

02:00:04.380 with criminally?

02:00:05.000 You see, this is the game he's playing

02:00:06.360 What's the game?

02:00:07.220 You'll say something like

02:00:09.240 Here's a guy who stabbed the baby

02:00:11.040 She go to jail

02:00:11.800 and he was black

02:00:12.960 and you're like, yes

02:00:13.440 He was like, well, Tim said

02:00:14.340 black people should go to jail

02:00:15.140 It's like, what the fuck

02:00:16.180 are you talking about?

02:00:16.500 Wait, no, no

02:00:16.880 You supported someone

02:00:17.980 One guy, one time

02:00:19.460 One guy, one time

02:00:20.460 Because he was critical of Israel

02:00:21.720 That's why

02:00:22.140 And you did support that

02:00:23.300 I mean, I had the conversation

02:00:24.720 Because of that

02:00:25.600 or because he did other things

02:00:27.220 that were objectively

02:00:28.560 He's lying

02:00:29.340 No, I'm not lying

02:00:30.180 What's the lie?

02:00:31.320 What are you in favor

02:00:32.380 of his deportation then for?

02:00:33.740 I'm not

02:00:34.060 You said you were

02:00:35.500 when we had this conversation

02:00:36.240 He hates Americans

02:00:36.940 shouldn't be in the country

02:00:37.760 No, I said that

02:00:38.540 the State Department

02:00:39.160 has unilateral authority

02:00:40.340 under the law

02:00:40.840 to deport whoever they want

02:00:41.640 You think it's wrong

02:00:42.420 for them to try to deport

02:00:43.100 Mahmoud Khalil?

02:00:45.800 Does your brain work, brother?

02:00:47.120 Well, can you answer that?

02:00:48.080 Do you understand

02:00:48.620 the distinction between

02:00:49.740 someone speaking

02:00:51.100 and getting deported

02:00:51.640 and the State Department

02:00:52.560 having the authority

02:00:53.060 to do so under color of law?

02:00:53.920 So do you agree

02:00:54.480 with them doing that?

02:00:55.280 I believe that

02:00:56.060 Marco Rubio

02:00:56.720 has the authority

02:00:57.400 under the law

02:00:57.900 as passed by the American people

02:00:59.060 of authority in that context

02:01:00.180 Sometimes, maybe

02:01:04.120 In Mahmoud Khalil's case

02:01:05.740 do you support

02:01:06.700 his deportation?

02:01:07.280 I think that's a great case

02:01:08.220 It's perfectly consistent

02:01:09.380 with his overall position

02:01:10.780 I would say C-

02:01:10.820 I don't care

02:01:12.500 It's perfectly consistent

02:01:13.400 Whether you care or not

02:01:14.340 do you think

02:01:14.720 that it should happen?

02:01:16.160 I believe that

02:01:17.000 the State Department

02:01:18.020 has the authority

02:01:18.520 to do so

02:01:18.860 I'm not asking

02:01:19.260 whether they have the authority

02:01:19.940 I don't care

02:01:20.720 whether they do or don't

02:01:21.320 You know these answers

02:01:22.880 No, you're saying

02:01:24.080 that you don't care

02:01:24.800 as in you're indifferent

02:01:25.780 You're indifferent

02:01:26.400 whether they do it or not

02:01:27.180 Indeed

02:01:27.480 So let me say this

02:01:28.380 When I said

02:01:29.580 in the last debate

02:01:30.260 Marco Rubio

02:01:31.440 under the law

02:01:31.940 has the authority

02:01:32.460 to do so

02:01:32.920 and I don't really care

02:01:33.780 He then came here

02:01:34.740 and said

02:01:34.940 Tim thinks people

02:01:35.620 should be deported

02:01:36.140 for speech about Israel

02:01:36.880 You see the distinction there?

02:01:38.200 No, you're fine with it

02:01:38.700 You're fine with him

02:01:39.280 doing that, aren't you?

02:01:40.680 Fine with

02:01:41.380 and don't care

02:01:42.180 are different things

02:01:42.940 So are you okay with it?

02:01:44.960 You're not

02:01:45.800 Indifferent

02:01:46.460 Against it

02:01:47.020 Right?

02:01:47.660 You're not against it

02:01:48.240 Neither

02:01:48.480 You're neither in favor

02:01:50.200 or against it

02:01:50.860 He shouldn't be in the country

02:01:51.760 Tim wishes they had

02:01:52.500 a better reason

02:01:52.960 Sure

02:01:54.060 So we can resolve

02:01:54.820 that conversation

02:01:55.360 Well, it's more so

02:01:56.540 on matters

02:01:57.100 for which I have

02:01:57.640 no strong opinion

02:01:58.300 I don't know

02:01:58.920 So you're indifferent

02:01:59.800 about whether or not

02:02:00.520 the country is deporting people

02:02:01.460 based on their support

02:02:02.260 for Israel

02:02:02.600 You're talking about

02:02:03.300 a single individual

02:02:04.020 in a certain context

02:02:04.560 No, but are you

02:02:05.260 indifferent on that pattern?

02:02:06.500 And do you think

02:02:06.780 that's been established?

02:02:07.200 What pattern?

02:02:07.820 Ask the specific question

02:02:08.720 So are you indifferent

02:02:09.940 as to whether the country

02:02:11.140 is

02:02:11.700 if the country

02:02:12.860 is deporting people

02:02:13.520 based on

02:02:13.920 Depending on the

02:02:14.780 circumstances of deportation

02:02:16.120 I may or may not care

02:02:17.020 Okay

02:02:17.840 We should not be

02:02:19.120 deporting people

02:02:19.840 based off of their

02:02:20.740 view of Israel

02:02:21.420 It would be better

02:02:22.920 if it was like

02:02:23.980 their view of America

02:02:25.280 This guy hates America

02:02:26.760 Therefore, let's get him

02:02:28.240 out of America

02:02:29.040 Do him a favor

02:02:29.880 There's also the

02:02:30.380 organization of protests

02:02:31.960 rallying the American

02:02:33.260 population against

02:02:34.340 American interests

02:02:35.200 which is not

02:02:35.920 a democratic process

02:02:36.980 It's foreign influence

02:02:37.840 So there's a lot of

02:02:38.920 issues there

02:02:39.420 And my response is not

02:02:40.500 that he should be

02:02:40.820 deported

02:02:41.080 You know, I don't have

02:02:42.460 a strong opinion

02:02:42.880 one way or the other

02:02:43.420 You don't have a strong

02:02:45.580 view on whether

02:02:46.440 if it's true

02:02:47.260 that the government

02:02:48.000 is deporting people

02:02:48.620 on the basis

02:02:49.060 of their support

02:02:49.640 If

02:02:50.260 If it's true

02:02:52.180 I don't know

02:02:52.580 I don't make judgments

02:02:54.620 without enough information

02:02:55.520 Sorry, your name's

02:02:56.540 Josh, right?

02:02:57.320 Joel

02:02:57.480 Joel, my bad

02:02:58.160 You look like a Joel

02:02:59.320 You look like Joel

02:02:59.840 from Last of Us

02:03:02.320 Joel said he would care

02:03:04.400 if the government's doing that

02:03:05.240 He said, I would deport people

02:03:06.320 based on their statements

02:03:06.980 against America

02:03:07.560 but he would have a problem

02:03:08.780 if the administration

02:03:09.600 was doing

02:03:10.160 My position is

02:03:11.780 similar to yours

02:03:13.120 in the sense that

02:03:13.940 let's try to get

02:03:15.140 the right laws

02:03:15.860 that actually align

02:03:16.700 with morality

02:03:17.240 We all agree

02:03:17.900 that you can have

02:03:18.440 unjust laws, right?

02:03:19.540 We all agree with that

02:03:20.240 And so we'd like to have

02:03:21.040 good laws

02:03:21.660 So ideal scenario

02:03:23.060 change the law

02:03:24.300 and make it good, right?

02:03:25.600 That's the ideal scenario

02:03:26.580 In the meantime

02:03:27.780 the idea of

02:03:29.420 you know, working with courts

02:03:30.480 and establishing precedent

02:03:31.640 you know, getting people

02:03:32.480 on technicalities

02:03:33.420 Right?

02:03:33.880 We've seen, you know

02:03:34.660 historically we've seen

02:03:35.800 mob bosses

02:03:36.420 and cleaning up New York

02:03:37.400 who like

02:03:37.780 were, you know

02:03:38.760 were ultimately brought in

02:03:40.180 and, you know

02:03:40.960 because of jaywalking

02:03:42.700 when it's like

02:03:43.280 we're not really concerned

02:03:44.620 about jaywalking

02:03:45.620 but that was

02:03:46.900 through the legal system

02:03:48.100 as the law currently rests

02:03:49.700 that was the only way

02:03:51.120 that we could bring this guy

02:03:52.060 who was actually doing

02:03:52.840 really terrible stuff

02:03:54.300 to justice

02:03:55.160 So ideally

02:03:55.880 you'd like to change the law

02:03:57.280 to where you could actually

02:03:58.060 get people for doing

02:03:59.180 terrible things

02:04:00.420 In the meantime though

02:04:01.760 as you're seeking

02:04:02.460 to have better laws

02:04:03.340 that align with justice

02:04:04.340 using whatever technicality

02:04:06.120 using whatever's

02:04:07.060 at your disposal

02:04:07.880 to use

02:04:08.420 to get people

02:04:09.060 who hate Israel

02:04:10.180 nope, don't care

02:04:11.000 people who hate America

02:04:12.700 out of America

02:04:13.840 I'm for

02:04:14.540 Joel, can I ask

02:04:15.220 where you live?

02:04:16.120 I live in Texas

02:04:16.880 In Texas

02:04:17.360 Would you have a problem

02:04:18.660 with like

02:04:19.080 the Trump administration

02:04:20.620 deploying

02:04:21.260 a bunch of

02:04:22.600 marines

02:04:23.820 in the town

02:04:24.520 that you live?

02:04:25.720 To do what?

02:04:26.540 To do law enforcement stuff

02:04:27.680 to pick up

02:04:28.220 you know

02:04:28.720 garbage

02:04:29.400 and

02:04:29.740 to get a

02:04:31.500 to get a bunch

02:04:32.800 of illegals

02:04:33.520 out of my town

02:04:34.660 fantastic

02:04:35.720 I'd be out there

02:04:37.840 with my daughters

02:04:38.660 giving lemonade

02:04:39.680 You don't share

02:04:41.720 the same concern

02:04:42.560 as the framers

02:04:43.320 in terms of

02:04:43.900 the standing

02:04:44.580 No, because the country

02:04:45.820 is not the same

02:04:46.640 as it was for the framers

02:04:47.640 This is the whole point

02:04:48.560 It's not even close

02:04:50.020 to the same

02:04:50.560 The country that we once had

02:04:52.340 it died

02:04:53.280 about a thousand times over

02:04:54.840 It's been buried

02:04:55.560 six feet underground

02:04:56.480 That country does not exist

02:04:57.860 Are you concerned

02:04:58.320 about the potential

02:04:58.840 for rights violations?

02:04:59.780 Did the framers have

02:05:00.520 13 million illegals

02:05:01.620 Did they have

02:05:02.440 the Crips and Blods

02:05:04.000 shooting each other

02:05:04.720 They didn't even have

02:05:05.460 restrictive immigration laws

02:05:06.560 in the framers

02:05:07.020 They didn't have

02:05:07.520 immigration laws

02:05:08.120 Because we had

02:05:08.940 a massive

02:05:09.660 You also had to be

02:05:10.540 a white property owner

02:05:11.420 to vote

02:05:11.980 Correct

02:05:12.480 Just for the record

02:05:13.580 we can go over voting

02:05:16.060 We can go over voting

02:05:16.760 I think

02:05:17.100 Should Buckle vote?

02:05:18.480 Of course

02:05:19.200 But repeal a lot more than that

02:05:20.640 What is your angle here?

02:05:23.360 You've got to be married

02:05:24.180 You've got to be married

02:05:25.620 What is your angle?

02:05:27.300 Military

02:05:27.660 Three kids

02:05:28.660 Net positive tax

02:05:29.740 One second

02:05:30.600 One second

02:05:31.100 Please

02:05:31.440 We had millions of slaves

02:05:34.580 Shut up

02:05:35.260 Shut up

02:05:35.600 Everyone gets to vote for him

02:05:37.000 Please

02:05:37.240 This is the nicest guy here

02:05:39.160 He's very respectful

02:05:40.320 Could you ask me the question

02:05:41.500 You just tried to slip by again

02:05:43.480 No no

02:05:43.800 I'm asking you

02:05:44.340 Do you think

02:05:44.620 No no no

02:05:45.120 Ask the question

02:05:45.700 Do you think

02:05:46.400 Hang on

02:05:47.040 Do you think

02:05:47.540 Do you think

02:05:47.560 Black people should vote?

02:05:48.700 That's what I see

02:05:49.200 Who should vote?

02:05:50.340 Black people

02:05:51.160 Sure

02:05:51.440 I think

02:05:53.560 Can I go there?

02:05:55.040 Why is it a weird

02:05:55.680 Disinterprement question?

02:05:56.400 Can I answer the question?

02:05:57.860 Okay sorry

02:05:58.420 Wait no

02:05:59.000 Can you explain that?

02:05:59.560 Why do you think

02:05:59.940 If they're men

02:06:00.320 If they have jobs

02:06:01.500 If they have kids

02:06:02.620 Why do you think it's pointed?

02:06:03.600 When we're done

02:06:04.260 Why should I want

02:06:06.540 Discrimination on the ground

02:06:08.940 Because you literally

02:06:09.820 In this conversation before

02:06:11.420 Though you might have tried

02:06:12.360 To back away from it

02:06:13.220 No I didn't

02:06:13.700 Who do you think should vote?

02:06:15.100 I think people should have

02:06:16.420 The right to vote

02:06:16.760 All US citizens vote

02:06:17.600 I had somebody the other day

02:06:18.500 That said

02:06:18.780 Joel if you had your way

02:06:19.820 There'd only be like

02:06:20.580 14 people would be allowed to vote

02:06:22.020 I prefer

02:06:22.560 You know

02:06:22.900 Personally I think that's still

02:06:24.040 13 too many

02:06:24.860 You don't want women to vote right?

02:06:27.260 That's right

02:06:27.660 How'd you know that?

02:06:28.540 It's the Christian national

02:06:30.260 It's the same kind of

02:06:30.920 I think you should be Christian

02:06:33.480 I do

02:06:34.340 Okay

02:06:34.540 Right

02:06:34.780 Not a test for office

02:06:35.680 That's insane

02:06:36.200 Just a test for office

02:06:37.240 And voting

02:06:37.700 Right

02:06:38.060 Religious test for both

02:06:39.200 But I think you should be Christian

02:06:40.880 I think you should be male

02:06:41.040 We should repeal that part

02:06:41.880 Of the constitution

02:06:42.320 About religious tests for office

02:06:43.560 Yeah you should amend it

02:06:45.800 Right

02:06:46.080 You should change the law

02:06:47.080 To what I think

02:06:48.220 Is just

02:06:50.040 Yes absolutely

02:06:50.640 No Jews in government right?

02:06:52.420 Oh

02:06:52.640 Religious Jew?

02:06:55.060 Like Judaism?

02:06:55.580 Daism

02:06:56.040 No Jewish

02:06:57.300 Religious

02:06:58.420 Jewish

02:06:59.060 Yes if it's a religious Jew

02:07:00.660 So Ben Shapiro

02:07:01.980 Should not be allowed

02:07:02.620 To hold off

02:07:03.040 Yes

02:07:03.260 Because he blasphemes

02:07:05.000 The Lord Jesus Christ

02:07:05.840 That's what his world

02:07:06.860 Well let's just be fair

02:07:07.900 You could ask him

02:07:08.700 About any other religion too

02:07:10.000 Yeah no Muslims

02:07:10.720 No Muslims

02:07:11.760 Yeah it's not

02:07:12.400 I'm not just picking on the Jews

02:07:13.600 Yeah

02:07:13.840 Although I do think

02:07:15.460 That Judaism

02:07:16.620 Has been uniquely pernicious

02:07:18.680 In its influence

02:07:19.900 Over America

02:07:20.780 That doesn't mean

02:07:21.360 Every single Jewish person

02:07:22.560 Ethnically speaking

02:07:23.700 There's a whole thing

02:07:24.600 We can talk about with that

02:07:25.440 But Judaism as a world view

02:07:27.240 I do believe

02:07:28.160 It's uniquely pernicious

02:07:29.340 Islam

02:07:30.140 Just for the record

02:07:30.920 Right

02:07:31.360 I'm pro the Crusades

02:07:33.180 I like the Crusades

02:07:34.400 I think there were some abuses

02:07:35.400 But I think most of them

02:07:36.240 Were good

02:07:36.580 We've had a long stand

02:07:38.320 13 centuries

02:07:39.520 With Islam

02:07:40.280 So I'm not a friend

02:07:41.500 Of Islam

02:07:42.540 I have an important question

02:07:43.420 For you

02:07:43.740 Yeah

02:07:44.060 In your system

02:07:46.160 Should Peaceco

02:07:47.320 Be allowed to vote?

02:07:48.880 Are you married?

02:07:50.420 I have a partner

02:07:51.320 No

02:07:52.380 That's based

02:07:54.000 No

02:07:54.480 Only married people

02:07:55.860 Should vote

02:07:56.680 One vote per household

02:07:57.960 This is what it is

02:07:58.800 You should be

02:07:59.560 A heritage American

02:08:00.640 I'll define that

02:08:01.360 Heritage American

02:08:02.140 I don't take as just

02:08:03.120 Being white

02:08:03.700 Okay

02:08:04.200 I do think that Europeans

02:08:05.640 Are pretty dang heritage

02:08:07.260 What race do you think I am?

02:08:09.520 Gay

02:08:09.960 I think

02:08:10.760 Yeah

02:08:11.100 I mean

02:08:11.400 Well I have a

02:08:12.420 Female partner

02:08:13.140 I'm not gay

02:08:14.080 Oh you have a female partner

02:08:15.760 Why do you say partner?

02:08:17.100 What's wrong with partner?

02:08:17.960 It sounds gay

02:08:18.720 Why don't you say girlfriend?

02:08:20.720 So this is actually

02:08:22.660 As a total aside

02:08:24.020 Yeah

02:08:24.360 The left and the right

02:08:25.460 Speak different English

02:08:26.260 They really do

02:08:27.560 Yeah

02:08:27.740 So okay

02:08:28.540 Are you triggered

02:08:29.060 By the word partner?

02:08:30.260 No

02:08:30.660 I'm not

02:08:30.960 I'm not triggered

02:08:31.680 By anything

02:08:32.060 So real quick

02:08:33.600 Are you triggered

02:08:34.120 By the word partner?

02:08:34.880 So what is a heritage American?

02:08:36.960 A heritage American

02:08:37.920 This is my assessment

02:08:39.340 A heritage American

02:08:40.260 And this should be required

02:08:41.560 For voting

02:08:41.940 You should have a stake

02:08:42.760 In the nation's past

02:08:43.700 And you should have

02:08:44.860 A stake in the future

02:08:45.520 That's why I say marriage

02:08:46.400 Not everybody can have kids

02:08:47.500 But I think marriage

02:08:48.600 In a general universal sense

02:08:51.080 What it says is

02:08:52.340 I'm looking forward to posterity

02:08:54.320 That's one of the two

02:08:54.940 But not bloodline based

02:08:55.920 Right?

02:08:56.120 So not race based

02:08:57.040 So what?

02:08:57.880 Or is there some racial element

02:08:58.980 I'll get to it

02:08:59.660 Yeah

02:08:59.800 So it's not so out of pocket

02:09:01.160 A question for me to inquire

02:09:02.160 About your guys' views

02:09:03.040 On racial

02:09:03.500 So you think it's a good question

02:09:06.140 Not disingenuous to ask this

02:09:07.320 It's fine to ask

02:09:08.460 For myself

02:09:09.600 I'll give my answer

02:09:10.740 But it's fine to ask

02:09:11.920 I have no problem with that

02:09:12.920 So heritage American

02:09:13.980 I think is three generations

02:09:15.480 On both sides

02:09:16.400 Or minimum a fifth generation

02:09:18.100 On one side

02:09:19.020 You have to have been here

02:09:20.180 For a while

02:09:20.600 Right?

02:09:21.200 This idea is

02:09:22.920 It's not a 15

02:09:23.800 Haitians

02:09:24.720 Are not going to assimilate

02:09:26.700 They're not going to be Americans

02:09:27.760 Right?

02:09:28.120 The Ronald Reagan thing

02:09:28.900 Like, well, you know

02:09:29.880 I can move to Scotland

02:09:31.280 But I'll never be a Scotsman

02:09:32.380 I can move to Japan

02:09:33.360 Can I ask

02:09:33.400 What's your 25%

02:09:34.940 Real quick, real quick

02:09:36.260 No, no, no

02:09:36.620 I gotta ask him

02:09:37.520 I gotta

02:09:37.680 You said three generations

02:09:38.900 On both sides

02:09:39.500 Does that mean like

02:09:40.420 Great grandma, grandma, mom

02:09:41.680 And then you can vote?

02:09:42.720 Or do you mean

02:09:43.200 Grandma, mom, then you can vote?

02:09:44.200 I think grandma

02:09:45.620 Start with grandma

02:09:46.380 So you're, you know

02:09:47.200 You're the third

02:09:47.740 Grandma moved here

02:09:49.420 Right?

02:09:50.060 And then it's mom

02:09:51.120 And, you know

02:09:51.680 And then it's you

02:09:52.720 And then you can vote

02:09:53.840 So on both

02:09:54.040 Yes, on both sides

02:09:55.400 The grandchildren

02:09:56.080 Correct

02:09:56.680 The grandchildren

02:09:57.400 And I get that

02:09:58.480 Even from like

02:09:59.140 A general equity

02:09:59.940 Theonomic principle

02:10:00.860 From the Old Testament

02:10:01.780 Sure

02:10:02.040 That when it came to

02:10:02.820 Immigrating into Israel

02:10:04.560 You couldn't be exploited

02:10:06.100 You couldn't be mistreated

02:10:07.260 You could be a sojourner

02:10:08.580 And the nice thing

02:10:09.160 About sojourners

02:10:09.760 Here's a nifty trick

02:10:10.520 Sojourners eventually go back

02:10:11.900 They don't stay forever

02:10:12.760 But for somebody

02:10:13.780 Who is really staying there forever

02:10:15.120 They intended to become

02:10:16.920 A part of Israel

02:10:17.960 There were a lot of rights

02:10:19.660 That they would have

02:10:20.260 But there were certain things

02:10:22.060 That were reserved

02:10:22.560 Until the third generation

02:10:24.080 Such as temple access

02:10:25.500 And worship

02:10:26.240 And these kinds of things

02:10:27.140 So third generation

02:10:28.140 On both sides

02:10:28.740 Or fifth generation

02:10:30.220 On one side

02:10:31.260 So that's heritage

02:10:32.140 You have

02:10:32.540 You actually have a heritage

02:10:33.580 You have a stake in the past

02:10:34.560 Marriage

02:10:35.420 Presupposing children

02:10:36.720 I know that there are exceptions

02:10:37.880 But so that's why

02:10:38.920 I'm not going to say

02:10:39.400 You've got to have five kids

02:10:40.460 Or eight or one

02:10:41.280 Married

02:10:42.200 Married

02:10:42.780 What if your grandparent

02:10:43.920 So that's future stake

02:10:44.980 If you have one grandparent

02:10:45.700 Who's Jewish

02:10:46.440 Would you be

02:10:47.260 Is that enough

02:10:48.680 Jewish ethnically

02:10:50.840 Yeah Jewish ethnically

02:10:51.860 Or religiously as well

02:10:52.760 So if you have

02:10:53.780 25% of your blood

02:10:55.160 No that's

02:10:55.660 No no no

02:10:56.160 It would be your religion

02:10:58.960 Okay

02:10:59.300 Your religion

02:11:00.020 Not your parents

02:11:00.820 Not your grandparents

02:11:01.620 Your religion

02:11:02.560 On the racial identity

02:11:04.480 Of your forefathers

02:11:06.480 It wouldn't

02:11:06.880 Third generation

02:11:08.540 Third generation

02:11:09.460 Thomas Clarence

02:11:11.040 Is a heritage American

02:11:12.400 I get flack for it

02:11:13.680 All the time

02:11:14.280 Because I've got

02:11:14.740 A lot of guys

02:11:15.240 Who follow me

02:11:15.820 That are to my right

02:11:16.800 And they're like

02:11:18.080 That's the gayest thing

02:11:19.080 You've ever said

02:11:19.680 Thomas Clarence

02:11:21.260 I believe

02:11:21.700 Is a heritage American

02:11:22.780 He's smarter than I am

02:11:23.920 I think he's a good man

02:11:25.140 Help me out

02:11:25.520 It sounds like a Nuremberg

02:11:26.240 He's also

02:11:26.660 It sounds like a Nuremberg

02:11:27.920 He's one of my

02:11:29.400 Favorite Anglo-Protestants

02:11:31.520 Thomas Clarence

02:11:32.340 Can you help me

02:11:32.880 Because the comparison

02:11:33.660 Of the Nuremberg laws

02:11:34.480 Everyone's going to make it

02:11:35.320 That's the same kind of analysis

02:11:36.500 The race analysis

02:11:37.220 In terms of

02:11:37.840 Defying what it is

02:11:39.240 To be an Aryan

02:11:41.220 Defying what it is

02:11:41.880 To be a Jew

02:11:42.480 That kind of stuff

02:11:43.300 It sounds like

02:11:43.760 You're incorporating

02:11:44.300 Some of those ideas

02:11:44.900 It doesn't sound like that at all

02:11:45.720 So that's why I'm saying

02:11:46.580 Third generation on both sides

02:11:48.080 Or fifth generation on one side

02:11:49.540 That's a heritage American

02:11:50.580 That means you have a stake

02:11:51.520 In the country's past

02:11:52.420 You should not be speaking

02:11:53.580 To the country's future

02:11:54.480 If you've had no stake here

02:11:55.800 In the past

02:11:56.360 Then also married

02:11:57.500 Which presupposes

02:11:58.580 Posterity

02:11:59.440 That I actually have

02:12:01.180 A vested interest

02:12:01.960 In the country's future

02:12:04.720 I do think

02:12:05.780 That you should be a man

02:12:06.540 I think the 19th amendment

02:12:07.660 Has absolutely ruined

02:12:09.480 The country

02:12:09.840 Among other things

02:12:10.600 But that's one of them

02:12:11.380 And with the mail piece

02:12:14.800 One is

02:12:16.040 I actually do think

02:12:17.020 That politics is war

02:12:18.520 Without the bullets

02:12:19.260 And so I do think

02:12:20.740 That it should be

02:12:21.320 Those who are predisposed

02:12:22.580 Towards war

02:12:23.300 To be involved

02:12:23.980 In that practice

02:12:24.880 But beyond that

02:12:25.900 It's also representative

02:12:26.860 Government

02:12:27.380 So what I'm looking at

02:12:29.080 Is male as head of household

02:12:31.060 So women don't have a voice

02:12:32.640 They have a voice

02:12:33.460 And sometimes a voice

02:12:34.800 Can be stronger than a vote

02:12:36.000 Just for the record

02:12:37.040 That man

02:12:37.960 It's fathers

02:12:38.580 It's uncles

02:12:39.160 It's brothers

02:12:39.700 It's husbands

02:12:40.360 Representing their wives

02:12:42.400 Their daughters

02:12:43.040 Their sisters

02:12:43.820 These things

02:12:44.640 Last night

02:12:45.460 We were talking on the show

02:12:46.840 About the U.S. conquering

02:12:48.740 The United Kingdom

02:12:49.460 For which I said

02:12:51.000 After the U.S. invades

02:12:52.600 We will temporarily install

02:12:54.160 Milo Yiannopoulos as viceroy

02:12:55.600 Until we can reestablish

02:12:57.420 The crown

02:12:57.960 Under which it would be

02:12:58.700 The house of Benjamin

02:12:59.380 Carl Benjamin

02:12:59.800 Is he gay still?

02:13:01.280 What do you mean dude?

02:13:02.140 He's the gayest guy in the world

02:13:03.360 No but is he like

02:13:05.460 There's gay

02:13:06.420 He's gay

02:13:07.100 I'm in

02:13:08.100 Okay guys

02:13:10.040 You said partner

02:13:11.460 I was super gay

02:13:12.420 He's never not going to be gay bro

02:13:13.740 But he says he abstains

02:13:15.300 But like he actually is

02:13:17.540 Is he a Christian?

02:13:18.580 Isn't he a professing Christian?

02:13:19.820 He says he's attracted to men

02:13:20.760 But he will abstain

02:13:22.300 From engaging

02:13:23.880 So with that

02:13:24.820 Just real quick

02:13:25.320 I would say that

02:13:25.900 That is still a sin of the heart

02:13:27.280 If in my heart

02:13:29.480 I'm desiring something

02:13:30.700 That God says

02:13:31.400 Is an abomination

02:13:32.200 That's a sin

02:13:32.860 Have you ever had gay thoughts?

02:13:33.960 Okay

02:13:34.200 So we're about out of time

02:13:36.080 Never

02:13:36.340 And the point I was going to make

02:13:37.480 Is that I've

02:13:38.360 I've changed my mind

02:13:40.080 I thought that it would be good

02:13:42.020 To install

02:13:43.480 The House of Benjamin

02:13:45.360 As the new crown of the UK

02:13:46.720 Okay

02:13:47.660 And long may he reign

02:13:49.240 And then upon hearing all of this

02:13:51.060 I've decided

02:13:51.580 The actual solution should be

02:13:53.100 After we conquer the UK

02:13:54.860 Temporarily have Milo

02:13:56.760 Get things in order

02:13:57.400 Before the House of Benjamin

02:13:58.360 Can take over

02:13:59.080 We then restore the United States

02:14:00.840 Under the crown

02:14:01.740 With Carl Benjamin

02:14:02.540 As our king

02:14:02.960 And no one can vote

02:14:03.840 Sargon of Akkad?

02:14:05.280 You like that guy?

02:14:06.080 He's great

02:14:06.400 I just think

02:14:07.080 No one can vote

02:14:07.840 Carl's the king

02:14:08.960 Tell me my liege

02:14:10.400 What you need

02:14:10.940 Universal suffrage

02:14:11.920 Was a really really bad idea

02:14:13.140 You'd like King Carl Benjamin

02:14:14.640 Yeah I'd have to

02:14:16.540 Look into him

02:14:17.200 I've heard the name

02:14:17.940 What do you think of Barack?

02:14:19.360 Can you say something nice

02:14:20.040 About Barack Obama?

02:14:21.020 Barack Obama?

02:14:21.720 Yeah

02:14:21.920 He deported a ton of people

02:14:24.060 God bless him

02:14:24.680 Oh I can say some real good stuff about him

02:14:26.220 No one kills kids

02:14:28.120 Like Barack Obama

02:14:28.920 I mean when you need

02:14:30.520 Wait wait wait

02:14:31.020 When you need brown

02:14:31.820 Pakistani kids bombed

02:14:33.320 You go to Barack

02:14:34.460 Or Netanyahu

02:14:35.380 Or Netanyahu

02:14:37.480 That's true too

02:14:37.760 I just want to say

02:14:40.020 Are we about to finish the episode?

02:14:41.080 Yeah yeah

02:14:41.480 Can I plug something?

02:14:43.020 Yeah well everyone's going to get a chance

02:14:44.040 To do the thing you know

02:14:44.720 Right Response Ministries on YouTube

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02:14:48.160 And then on Twitter

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02:14:54.020 We'd appreciate the follow

02:14:54.840 Thank you Tim for having me

02:14:56.200 Peace Goes Hour on YouTube

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02:14:59.600 Really enjoyed it

02:15:00.460 You know listen

02:15:01.120 I think in your heart of hearts

02:15:03.600 You gotta criticize this guy

02:15:05.860 For deploying in your city

02:15:06.920 Alright

02:15:07.440 I'm asking him to

02:15:08.440 If he does so

02:15:10.880 And if he's breaking the law

02:15:11.980 Doing so

02:15:12.540 I think you gotta stand up

02:15:13.920 For your fellow Chicagoan

02:15:15.400 I am personally requesting

02:15:17.060 Donald Trump

02:15:17.640 Hear me

02:15:18.320 My people need your help

02:15:20.880 The National Guard is welcome

02:15:22.100 In my neighborhood

02:15:22.740 They do

02:15:23.340 Alright well thank you for having me

02:15:24.640 And yeah I appreciate the conversation

02:15:25.880 I've changed my mind

02:15:27.100 I don't want a single American

02:15:28.080 In my country off the road

02:15:29.020 My name's Connor Tomlinson

02:15:31.720 You can hear me talk on YouTube

02:15:33.280 At Tomlinson Talks

02:15:35.080 I write for Courage Media

02:15:36.740 And I post on X

02:15:38.300 About the fall of my country

02:15:39.320 At Con underscore Tomlinson

02:15:40.820 One last thing real quick

02:15:41.960 Covenantbible.org

02:15:43.540 Is our church

02:15:44.800 So if you're in Central Texas

02:15:45.880 If you ever want to join us

02:15:46.860 On a Sunday at 10am

02:15:47.960 It's Covenant Bible Church

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02:15:50.380 Right on

02:15:51.160 Everybody this is fun

02:15:52.160 Thanks so much for hanging out

02:15:53.620 Thank you

02:15:54.160 The future plan is

02:15:55.260 We're thinking every other way

02:15:57.160 Because it's going to be a live show

02:15:57.980 We're actually in talks

02:15:59.380 About doing a deal

02:16:00.320 For 24 episodes

02:16:01.320 24 live shows per year

02:16:02.920 It's expensive to do

02:16:04.020 It's hard to do

02:16:04.560 And then we've got

02:16:05.240 A bunch of other ideas

02:16:05.820 Working with Alex Stein

02:16:06.660 We're talking about

02:16:07.240 Doing some game show episodes

02:16:08.760 Where we do trivia

02:16:10.100 And then you guys

02:16:11.340 Can just answer

02:16:11.900 Jeopardy questions or something

02:16:12.940 That'd be fun

02:16:13.400 And I think it'd be real fun

02:16:14.640 And then as well as

02:16:15.800 We want to do these

02:16:16.660 Like one versus 20 debates

02:16:18.300 So a lot of fun stuff coming

02:16:20.140 Is that like Jubilee?

02:16:20.860 Jubilee stuff?

02:16:21.460 Yeah but we can do it better

02:16:22.180 I got asked

02:16:23.080 And then it just disappeared

02:16:25.720 They ghosted you?

02:16:26.960 Yeah

02:16:27.200 I got asked to be on there

02:16:28.700 And then I think it's

02:16:29.920 Because the middle guy

02:16:30.720 I wasn't the one guy

02:16:32.200 I was going to be

02:16:32.620 One of the 20 Christian nationalists

02:16:34.000 But I think it's because

02:16:35.120 The one guy backed out

02:16:36.220 And I like to believe

02:16:37.520 I go to sleep at night

02:16:38.560 Thinking it's because

02:16:39.260 He saw my name on the list

02:16:40.580 He had to quit

02:16:41.960 Alright everybody

02:16:42.840 We're back tonight

02:16:43.520 At 8pm

02:16:44.440 Timcast IRL

02:16:45.520 Thanks for hanging out

02:16:46.160 We'll see y'all then

02:16:55.720 We'll see y'all then

The Culture War - Tim Pool - September 05, 2025

National Guard Sent To Chicago - Fascism Or Salvation Debate w⧸ Joel Webbon, PiscoLitty and Connor Tomlinson

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