00:01:52.700250,000 young white British girls were subject to rape, gang rape, trafficking, torture, and exploitation over decades, right?
00:02:00.880This happened all over the country, 149 districts, roughly 40% of all of the U.K.
00:02:07.800The roots of it go back to the 50s, but it really accelerated in the 1990s, and the victims are as young as 11.
00:02:16.620The perpetrators were, as probably people have heard, there were approximately 87% of the offenders had distinctively Muslim names.
00:02:26.080One expert cited 95% could be, had Muslim names.
00:02:32.500The majority of them were Pakistani men, smaller numbers of Somali, Iranian, Syrian, Turkish backgrounds.
00:02:38.140and it's not random like they were targeting white girls because of you know what basically
00:02:44.480racist uh you know racist opinions so tate what what have you heard about this give us a little
00:02:50.180background what you're seeing over there and what you know yeah well i mean as you guys can probably
00:02:54.740see by the background i am in britain and i'm here in scotland um scotland obviously being
00:02:59.400a place that many have noted for quite a long time has been sort of maybe spared from a bit of the
00:03:06.340more you know horrendous migrant crimes and and that sort of thing glasgow in the last few years
00:03:12.440has seen an increase in um migrant related crime and and all that sort so i will be covering um
00:03:20.540some of those uh incidents here in glasgow but yeah so to your point rupert lowe um had been
00:03:25.940crowdfunding for this um independent inquiry into the migrant grooming gang scandal which is you
00:03:32.120has been commonly cited there are so there is some data out there um you can kind of compile
00:03:37.560stories and kind of put two and two together and see what's going on here but as far as having one
00:03:42.280large robust um you know you know one-stop shop to really determine what was going on here they're
00:03:49.160all encompassing what was the grooming gang scandal or what is the grooming gang scandal
00:03:52.920still continuing to this day and uh yeah so he runs this rupert lowe obviously an mp from great
00:03:59.440yarmouth which is uh the southeast of england part of the restore party he's their only mp
00:04:04.780currently in parliament he was formerly of reform um nigel farage party nigel farage being a trump
00:04:10.960ally and he was ejected from reform um kind of a he said she said on his way out but you know
00:04:18.800he he truly felt that reform was not going to get the job done he started his own party and
00:04:23.660look if you know if you're one of these people that's maybe a bit more critical of restore
00:04:27.240you know you're saying well they're going to undercut reform and elections we're going to
00:04:31.020play spoiler it's hard to deny that right away he pumps out um you know this inquiry which is
00:04:36.200which is huge i mean it really is a big deal that's kind of the that's kind of the point of
00:04:40.080restore right like for people that you know aren't familiar there is reform that's that was looking
00:04:45.480to do i guess moderate changes they were looking to to make some changes um restore is far more
00:04:54.960I don't want to use the word extreme, but they they're looking for a far more comprehensive policy, something that's really going to put the British people, the English in particular in England, the Welsh in Wales, the Scottish, the the and even the the the Irish back in the center of the political world of the respective countries in the UK.
00:05:24.280Can you go ahead and talk a little bit, Tate, about what kind of policies that Rupert Lowe is proposing and how they really are about not – they're not trying to be inclusive or be sugarcoat anything.
00:05:43.620they're like we want to have a true british society and there are people here that don't
00:05:52.560align with our interests they don't share our culture can you go into what what some of the
00:05:56.060things that rupert lowe is looking to do yeah and like i want to start with because this is a huge
00:06:01.880debate here in britain on the british right i think there's very fine people on both sides i
00:06:06.960don't think there's any question about that i have friends that fall on both you know in both
00:06:11.040camps um i do have some really good friends that restore and i think restore to your point has been
00:06:15.760more reactive to um sort of the more um i don't want to use the word online right because people
00:06:20.960use online right as a bit of a disparaging term but i think it's true it so far as restore has
00:06:26.180been more open to um i think it's fair to say maybe younger um voices on the right reform has
00:06:32.520been you know been critiqued um over the last few years as sort of uh incorporating tories more
00:06:38.540quickly than they would incorporate maybe just young right-wingers in britain um and that's
00:06:43.300ultimately what led to restore really starting was i think the main policy differentiator you
00:06:48.360know the x factor for restore has been they're pretty unapologetic about mass deportations this
00:06:53.780is a party that was founded ultimately after nigel farage in an interview said you know mass
00:06:59.560deportations and we're not considering that it's impossible that's a pipe dream um and i think
00:07:04.820that's actually the baseline if you're right wing and britain i think mass deportations is
00:07:09.160the baseline is so rupert lowe has been pretty unapologetic about no all illegal immigrants need
00:07:14.080to go home um and he's begun further and this is i think where some people have pointed out that
00:07:18.640in some instances he's very trump-like and so far as he says he wants to remove legal migrants that
00:07:24.660again are for a variety of reasons not contributing to british society either they're detracting
00:07:29.360from british society through welfare or they're committing crimes um or they can't speak english
00:07:33.220Those are kind of the three things I would say that he's indicated would make you, you know, a candidate to be deported, even if you were here legally.
00:07:42.180Beyond that, he's explored denaturalization policies, which will be difficult to see in Britain, because right now that battle is ongoing over denaturalization, if that's something they can pursue.
00:07:52.460something that you must consider if you're if you're an american which majority of the audience
00:07:56.060watching is is that britain has one advantage um you know as far as mass deportations go that we
00:08:02.460don't have here in the united states in which britain does not have birthright citizenship
00:08:05.980so just because you're born in britain that doesn't make you a citizen they have uh citizenship
00:08:10.720by blood so you need to have parents that are british citizens so that gives britain a lot more
00:08:15.880bandwidth to deport you know a large you know proportion of their current population which
00:08:21.540america doesn't happen i mean think about the united states we try to deport someone who has
00:08:25.320a random court orders from 10 years ago saying he's allowed to stay here for a few weeks and
00:08:29.540they will turn that into a wedge issue and he'll stay here forever just long enough for him to have
00:08:33.240a kid and then they're here forever really i mean because you know we are trying to denaturalize
00:08:37.620what's going to take quite a long time um in britain even if they're born in london born and
00:08:42.200raised in london they're still not a british citizen in many cases and can be deported so
00:08:46.000again britain has that in their back pocket where um if reform gets in and they you know are able to
00:08:51.120get the job done or if restore gets in and they're able to follow through on their promises
00:08:54.260they'll have a lot more tools in their tool belt to really carry out the mass deportations and
00:08:58.360that's kind of the pressing issue no one is really supporting restore for their other policies that
00:09:03.600you know they i would say in fair play to them you know i'm as a christian they have a you know
00:09:07.840menu of um right-wing political or policy positions on a variety of topics um and i think that's
00:09:14.260admirable i agree with the vast majority of those positions but like let's not fool ourselves the
00:09:18.500main reason people are supporting Restore Britain, you know, people that aren't on the internet are
00:09:22.520supporting Restore Britain is because, again, they view them as less apologetic about mass
00:09:26.120deportations than reform. They trust Rupert Lowe to carry out mass deportations far more than they
00:09:31.080trust Nigel Farage. So now you mentioned Rupert Lowe is the only MP from Restore in the what what
00:09:38.940the parliament, right? So I did hear something about Restore candidates doing well in local
00:09:45.780elections. Is that the case? And is that the case, first of all, and second of all, do you think
00:09:51.000that that is going to solidify them or help to solidify them as a serious organization? Do you
00:09:58.540think that they're going to be able to be marginalized? I'm sure labor is doing the same
00:10:02.480kind of things that Democrats or the DSA would be doing here, which is calling them names,
00:10:10.520trying to use ad hominem attacks, not really addressing the problems that they want to talk
00:10:15.580about or saying that that the restore is is blowing them out of proportion or outright lying
00:10:21.380do you think that the fact that there are local politicians for restore that have done so well
00:10:26.800in uh whatever in municipalities or smaller elections do you think that's that's something
00:10:32.080that can translate to the the national government to the whole parliament about the critique of
00:10:37.860restore going into the um local elections which i would say roughly are similar to they weren't
00:10:43.700historically but they've kind of turned into turned into their version of midterms i think
00:10:47.140that would be fair to categorize them as such um and that was the main critique going into the uh
00:10:51.140by elections or the sorry the local elections was that restore was just an online thing like it was
00:10:56.320just an online party we've seen a million of those um in every country on planet earth they
00:11:00.640have this based online party and then they're never able to translate to political victory
00:11:04.700sonnet insurance wants to know what would you do with an extra hour in your day and more money in
00:11:09.920your pocket with sonnet you can quote and buy home and auto insurance online or over the phone
00:11:14.620your choice on your time whatever works best for you and canadian university and college alumni
00:11:19.700could save over two thousand dollars a year that's real money back where it belongs save time save
00:11:24.680money save yourself from the way insurance used to be get your quote at sonnet.ca switch save
00:11:30.140simple sonnet ever feel the need for more find it in the ford maverick with a hybrid engine to do
00:11:37.300more of this with less of this and available all-wheel drive to tackle more of this it's
00:11:47.140more than a truck it's a maverick right now get purchase financing from 3.99 apr for up to 72
00:11:53.620months on 2026 maverick xlt models plus a thousand dollars in ford accessories visit your ontario
00:11:59.800ford store or ford.ca today um the libertarian party is a great example of that yeah uh where
00:12:05.940restore local elections come along granted all of their local election victories were in great
00:12:11.320yarmouth which is where rupert lowe is currently the mp so you know you kind of put a very very
00:12:17.440very small asterisk on those victories but i think ultimately what the takeaway from those victories
00:12:22.240is is that yes they are able to translate um online energy into political victory into into
00:12:28.960actual you know tangible on the ground results um yes they are serious like this isn't just an
00:12:34.100online thing with influencers like this is as legs whether you like it or not um and three i
00:12:40.060think it exposed reform's flank i really do think this is a flank for reform there is a flank on
00:12:45.740the right and i don't think it's fair to categorize restore britain as far right i'm not saying this
00:12:50.920to run cover for them or anything like that i just legitimately think that these are all policies
00:12:54.920that like our grandparents would have supported certainly the british grandparents would have
00:12:59.480supported but now it's considered um you know extreme because of the current political situation
00:13:04.180um as far as you mentioned labor um so you have labor right now they have a similar situation on
00:13:09.880the left as you have the labor party and then you have the green party has emerged um where the
00:13:14.420labor is now seen as kind of the uniparty establishment and the green party would be
00:13:17.680kind of your dsa um analogs it's not like our green party where our green party just like is
00:13:22.000trying to get coal plants shut down all the time that's basically it their green party is your like
00:13:26.840AOC, wet dream, basically, like they want everything, you know, that you could possibly
00:13:30.780think of that a DSA, maybe you get a DSA member drunk, and I think that would be a great policy
00:13:35.740plot. And so you're kind of seeing that play out on the left. And ultimately, what Labor has been
00:13:41.740able to use Restore for, which is quite ironic, is they're able to use, again, Restore as kind of
00:13:47.200this boogeyman of what would come, you know, if you vote for the Green Party and split the vote,
00:13:51.640and you keep us out of power, then Restore will come in. So as far as Labor being concerned about
00:13:56.620restore i think they're mostly using them as a boogeyman because reform has gotten so popular
00:14:01.320that i don't think people can accurately call them far right anymore that attack will land
00:14:05.300with the british people so now they have to use restore as the boogeyman said
00:14:08.340okay i i want to get back to the uh to the report a little bit one of the things that was a major
00:14:15.640theme that was discussed in the in the the rape gang report was the institutional failures right
00:14:20.460and this is something that people are generally aware of or at least people on the right are
00:14:25.860generally aware of a lot, whether it be in the U.K. or here in the U.S., there is a fear by
00:14:31.980politicians of being called names, being called racist, being of they're afraid to endorse
00:14:39.240policies that are popular, at least here in the U.S., because they're afraid of what they're
00:14:45.780going to be called. And in the U.K., it really turned into an institutional failure. And one
00:14:53.520of the things that that the report says or some of the things the report says the police ignored
00:14:57.400reports they were destroying evidence they let offenders go free and they were actually blaming
00:15:03.500victims which is something that you don't really you don't really expect from the left right the
00:15:08.940idea of victim blaming they're they're generally or historically uh they have a history of saying
00:15:14.960you know we have to believe all women we have to believe victims you can't say that the victims
00:15:19.540are in any way not telling the truth and stuff.
00:15:24.400And they really did even criminalize victims.
00:15:31.100They retaliated against whistleblowers.
00:15:34.140NHS had documented injuries, infections, pregnancies,
00:15:38.100even up to suicide attempts, and they failed to protect them.
00:15:42.100Schools expelled victims instead of protecting them.
00:15:45.500And then the local politicians and the national government,
00:15:47.460They denied the problem existed, not just a little bit, but they were denying it for decades.
00:15:51.980Can you get can you expand that a little bit?
00:15:54.960Yeah, I mean, again, this was a people are thinking this report maybe just talking about the last few years talking about to your point through the 60s.
00:16:01.900I mean, this has been this has been in British public life now for decades.
00:16:06.100And most British are familiar with this occurring to some degree, especially because this has been pronounced in the working class.
00:16:12.980You know, this is a group of people who now we see are swinging towards reform.
00:16:16.980Well, there's a reason for that, because, you know, I think the grooming gangs, you know, may sound just really dramatic and insane for quite a lot of people hearing this.
00:16:24.140But again, if you're the working class in Britain, this is something that you probably know someone that is, you know, involved in this in some way, shape or form.
00:16:32.720Yeah, you talked about it. I mean, I think that is the most egregious part of this whole story is the institutional failure.
00:16:39.400I mean, that's really the most shocking part. Again, there was one story in there out of Bradford.
00:16:43.880Bradford is um you know it's it's near Huddersfield it's near Leeds which these are bit have been
00:16:48.900hotbeds of um you know this grooming gang activities and there was a story in which a
00:16:54.200girl forget her age which was a teenager um had been taken she was under duress and this being
00:17:00.220held captive by a grooming gang she was pulled out by the police she issued you know phone the
00:17:05.260police and told them what happened and they documented everything and they're like yes okay
00:17:08.400etc etc and the police ended up bringing her back to the home in which she was held and released
00:17:14.700back into their captivity and what would the police tell her when she was being literally
00:17:20.040dropped back off to her you know uh oppressors i guess you would say for lack of better um her
00:17:25.440perpetrators uh they said have fun that's what they said to her they said have fun and i think
00:17:29.480that ultimately kind of epitomizes uh this story here which again the police in the united states
00:17:35.440we kind of have this idea of the police as kind of like uh they're kind of victims in some way
00:17:40.460because you know ultimately we say the da's are ultimately the source of the problem and we'll
00:17:45.340typically say which i think this is broadly true yeah that if the police were able to do what they
00:17:49.420needed to do they would have no problem carrying out they know exactly what are they exactly know
00:17:53.700which skulls are cracked etc i'm using for this verbally of course um creating a bit of a different
00:17:58.640situation to be honest with you um the police uh this isn't the same stock of guys like you know
00:18:04.400you think about the american police officers these are again you have to be like working
00:18:07.280class guys you know they could have ended up in the military maybe some of them have ended up in
00:18:10.440the military they have they want to serve they want to protect their communities typically
00:18:14.060fairly masculine guys at least historically that's been the case in american police and the
00:18:18.040evidence for that is police unions in the united states are one of the only um public institutions
00:18:21.720that backs republicans so i think that's exhibit a for my my case here britain's a completely
00:18:26.160different situation and i think we saw this on full display with the henry novak um stabbing
00:18:31.000where they approach him after he's been stabbed and they say i don't think you have been mate
00:18:34.160and they put him under arrest um i think everything that's happening there indicates that
00:18:40.000the police quite literally um are just view white british people as lesser than i really struggle
00:18:48.400to find any other takeaway um i think that they are truly under the impression that racism is
00:18:53.180so bad in britain that it would be impossible for an ethnic minority to oppress a white british
00:18:59.600person i legitimately think that's what's going on here that is what the report indicates is that
00:19:03.500Yes, that could be the ideology held by the police, but also that a lot of the police, maybe those that aren't just completely bought in, you know, drinking the Kool-Aid there, were just simply afraid of being punished or being racist.
00:19:14.520So that's what was documented extensively in this inquiry is the amount of times where NHS, which is the National Health Service, where they have public health care, so they'll have various technicians and doctors and administrators and et cetera that will document everything that happened to you, to the police, to the schools, to the courts, everyone involved.
00:19:32.560a lot of them understood what was going on something needed to be done but they were too
00:19:36.440afraid of acting because again the blowback yeah made sure there'd be no justice and then b would
00:19:42.040have gotten them in trouble because they would be again acting in a racist manner and that is the
00:19:46.260criminal sin here in britain i'm even having to watch some things that i say while i'm there in
00:19:51.060britain so yeah the report explicitly states oppression that was driven by fear of accusations
00:19:55.520of racism um and it wasn't just like the labor party was doing it politicians of both parties
00:20:01.540chose community cohesion over actually delivering justice to the victims, actually arresting people
00:20:08.740that were committing crimes. And this does actually implicate Keir Starmer himself, right? So he was
00:20:14.880the director of public prosecutions from 2008 to 2013. And that's when prosecutions were slow to
00:20:21.940non-existent. This is his most egregious personal exposure to him, to this issue. Labor MPs overall
00:20:30.180who voted 364 to 111 against an amendment for national statutory inquiry in January 2025,
00:20:36.680which is why Rupert Lowe had to crowdfund this, right?
00:20:39.320But what can you tell us about Keir Starmer's personal liability in this?
00:20:45.440Is this going to affect his time as the prime minister?
00:20:50.000Do you think that this is actually going to be something where people might demand his resignation?
00:20:54.380I know it's only two days now since it's been released,
00:20:56.660but is this something that the British people are going to say,
00:20:59.700you know what we need to have a new prime minister because this is just beyond the pale
00:21:03.780yeah i think his as far as his culpability goes um to understand what his position was
00:21:09.540i think the analog of the united states would be um maybe the deputy ag possibly even the ag i would
00:21:14.780say more fairly to say the deputy ag again the charge of investigation etc um yeah massive
00:21:20.200culpability i mean again this is something that it's not fair to just eat up on labor for because
00:21:25.120the Tories, the conservatives here, were not junior partners in this. Again, even if they
00:21:30.480weren't actively covering up various scandals, various crimes directly, again, they were
00:21:36.800participating in promoting the same policies that ended up leading to these people being here in
00:21:41.620the first place. Boris Johnson, who when he came in, people were like, this is the British Trump.
00:21:47.140When he came in, he oversaw the largest, and he's a conservative, by the way, the conservative party
00:21:51.080oversaw the largest importation of migrants to Britain.
00:27:59.240I've seen Rupert Lowe talk about bringing back the death penalty,
00:28:03.820and I've seen some more of the incensed people on the right in the UK
00:28:11.720not just bring back the death penalty for the perpetrators,
00:28:15.860But for the politicians that have that have allowed this to happen now, I obviously don't think that that's going to happen.
00:28:24.300But but the the idea that the UK, which is I mean, I'm not sure when they got rid of the death penalty, but, you know, historically or in recent history, the UK hasn't been hasn't had capital punishment in decades.
00:28:38.720So to talk of bringing that back, even for the most egregious crimes like torturing children, that is a significant move.
00:28:47.740Do you think that there is a significant plurality of the U.K. population that when it comes to those kind of drastic changes, do you think they have the stomach for it?
00:29:01.460Well, I have to say to lead, I mean, I am on British soil currently, so I denounce fully.
00:29:06.460um i think everyone involved should be punished to the current laws that are on the books um if
00:29:12.640they have committed a crime um that i can say i'll i'll lead with that um beyond that i do think
00:29:18.840there is an appetite for um i don't even think it's like vengeance really i just think people
00:29:24.160really are tired of seeing on this disorder continue and again if there is truly no punishment
00:29:29.020for a lot of disorder you're seeing new york city style um catch and releases of some of these
00:29:34.220really violent criminals something has to give um i do think rupert low has put his finger on the
00:29:39.340pulse here of what a lot of british people um specifically in england the english have been
00:29:44.600feeling they just haven't been quite able to articulate that because they haven't had a
00:29:47.760thought leader um emerge that's you know able to say these things and give them permission to say
00:29:52.820these things and or articulate what their concern actually is because sometimes they can feel it
00:29:57.460they can sense it they just can't quite put it into words and i think that's why a lot of people
00:30:01.520have been drawn to restore us because he is able to effectively put these things into words.
00:30:06.760But I think primarily, you know, you know, Saga of Akkad, Carl Benjamin, he makes this point all
00:30:11.900the time that the English, on average, are actually more conservative than Americans. And,
00:30:16.780you know, a lot of people find that, you know, crazy, because I think it's just a different
00:30:21.360style of conservatism, where I think Americans are more Christian, more religious. So perhaps
00:30:27.120maybe on some certain social issues we are more conservative and those are typically the cultural
00:30:32.340issues sure so those are the ones that you see a lot so like abortion homosexuality these are
00:30:37.660issues that yes we are you know significantly to the right of the english or the british right on
00:30:42.540so again on cultural issues we're constantly the ones that seem to be on the right but on issues
00:30:46.980of identity on immigration um and on criminal justice broadly i i do think the english definitely
00:30:53.380they have as far as who's more authentically right wing i mean there's a lot of polling
00:30:57.340that indicates that you know they'll they'll ask an american conservative they'll ask a
00:31:02.760english conservative what do you think of the idea that your country is a specific nation with a
00:31:07.320specific history of a specific culture a specific heritage etc and far more english that's almost
00:31:13.280like universally held among english right wingers are like yeah of course um american right wingers
00:31:17.620while online you might think it's 100 of them the reality is the majority of right wingers in
00:31:22.340America, the reality of Republican voters think, oh, yeah, Vivek Ramaswamy is just as American as
00:31:27.520you and me. So, you know, while online, we might think it's something else, the reality is on the
00:31:32.280ground. Again, Brits have a much stronger, specifically the English, I must say the English,
00:31:36.380the Scots or the Welsh are a little bit more left wing, but the English have a very strong
00:31:42.000understanding of self, a really strong understanding of identity. And that is manifesting and, you
00:31:48.140know, the emergence of Rupert Lowe, but it must be said, in the emergence of reform, I mean, I know
00:31:51.840it's really in vogue right now to dunk on reform um but you got to consider where nigel farage has
00:31:56.720come from i mean he went from a laughing stock ukip was a laughing stock yeah and just a few
00:32:01.660years later brexit party you know it was it was it was almost almost a joke even among the right
00:32:05.640it was like wow you know it's kind of funny it's a bit of you know um shock and awe it's fun but
00:32:10.160it's never going to manifest anything serious but here we are where reform is not only poised to win
00:32:15.480the next election three four years out dominating the polls but now they have a right-wing editor
00:32:20.260that is increasingly becoming a viable competitor.
00:32:23.040That just shows you how much Nigel Farage
00:33:40.920He came in and they weren't, it wasn't like they were all that interested in carrying out.
00:33:47.760what the people voted for do you think that that that nigel farage as much as i understand your
00:33:52.740point and i do agree he does deserve credit for helping to move the overton window do you think
00:33:57.160that because he wasn't able to really deliver the things that people that voted for brexit thought
00:34:03.200they were going to get do you think that that uh you know implicates him as as being actually less
00:34:08.740effective than than he at least promised to be well i think he was able to stir up and build up
00:34:13.840the infrastructure to make brexit happen but he wasn't in a position to govern over brexit once
00:34:18.640the people executed the referendum now the ball was on the tory's court it wasn't david cameron's
00:34:23.180you know it was his now to usher the country out of the european union he you know withdrew and
00:34:29.020then you saw like a million tory uh prime ministers come in boris johnson obviously came in so the
00:34:33.840conservatives were in charge for the duration of the uh brexit period i guess you would say the
00:34:38.140brexit era and nigel farage yes he was able to get the party across the finish line yes he was
00:34:42.100doing well in the european elections but he wasn't in any sort of position in britain to actually
00:34:47.180sort of usher um brexit to the finish line and what you ended up seeing was to your point
00:34:52.180um a backstabbing because what what drove brexit do you think people really add like
00:34:56.340and i'm going to just tap this button real quick um do you really think people had like they're
00:35:00.760like a complex you know economic understanding of like well you know this trade deal is really
00:35:05.280ripping us up no the reason people voted for brexit is they were tired of the immigration
00:35:08.340The immigration levels are far too high. This is becoming an island of strangers, in the words of Keir Starmer. We've had enough. But what ended up happening after Brexit is immigration went up eight times, and it shifted from majority EU immigrants to majority non-EU immigrants, mostly from the third world.
00:35:25.300So not only was it like a failure or backstabbing, but it was quite literally the opposite of why people voted for it in the first place.
00:35:33.140So I think people still have a very favorable view of Farage because he was the one that delivered Brexit.
00:35:39.100He clearly has demonstrated that he can sort of put certain policies on the kitchen tables of the British people and force them to make a decision on it.
00:35:47.260And I think that is a political skill that's really hard to come by.
00:35:50.160I think what the attack vector on Farage is more so is, yes, OK, he's had some very concerning statements on immigration.
00:35:58.000I totally agree. I share those concerns.
00:36:01.380I think it's more his leadership style, because I think the main criticism you've seen of reform, not just from Restore, but pretty much anyone on the right, is that they've been taking pretty much any Tory that's willing to jump ship to reform.
00:36:13.960So while Farage has been very consistent, you know, he's been outside of the Tories, you know, for, you know, he hasn't been a Tory very long time.
00:36:22.460They've always hated him. They hate Farage and he hates them.
00:36:25.380But a lot of ex-conservatives, ex-Tories like Robert Jenrick comes to mind, who quite literally oversaw the Boris wave.
00:36:32.260And now he's in reform. He's got to like, we all got to act like nothing happened.
00:36:35.580He's, you know, just emerged out of nowhere.
00:36:38.060I think that's been the main concern with Farage, and that would be the main concern of people that maybe are skeptical that reform will get the job done.
00:36:44.620Not so much to do with Farage, but more so with the team that he's built around him, especially considering these Tory defectors that have come over.
00:36:51.900Think of it like President Trump's first term, where people were excited about Trump the same way people were excited about Farage,
00:36:57.760but there was always criticisms of Trump's ability to surround himself with the most effective people that were aligned with his goals.
00:37:02.880it's kind of a similar dynamic playing out with reform and so far as some of these guys coming
00:37:08.820over would be the equivalent of like rhinos or established or whatever you want to use as an
00:37:13.980analog you're going to end up with lindsey graham so you know and i'm talking about 2016 lindsey
00:37:18.780graham you're going to end up with you know a litany of just these you know bill bars just
00:37:22.880these horrible um mike pence these horrible guys coming over and i think a lot of people in britain
00:37:26.980are kind of seeing that and they're saying well maybe we should see if restore can get anything
00:37:31.800done in the meantime before we have to pull the lever for reform in 2029 so the uh some of the
00:37:37.820stuff that that was like political framing i guess um the forward of the report states that britain
00:37:44.500doesn't have a racism problem it has an immigration problem and this actually harkens back to some of
00:37:49.320the stuff that um i've i didn't know much about him uh before this kind of stuff came out but
00:37:55.380there was this guy enoch powell which i'm sure you're familiar with him and he was making these
00:37:59.760arguments that, that if you end up having this kind of immigration, you're going to fundamentally
00:38:06.160change what the UK is. You're going to change the way that people look at each other. You're
00:38:13.420going to change when you change the people, you change the culture. And Enoch Powell got, I mean,
00:38:18.900he got absolutely annihilated for that. They, they sacked him from the cabinet. Um, they,
00:38:24.680he was labeled a racist, obviously put him and basically destroyed his political career with
00:38:29.040the conservative party and he became like so radioactive that no one wanted to touch him but
00:38:34.680now if you look at what's going on um it looks like a lot of the things that he predicted
00:38:41.300you know are coming to pass yeah yeah yeah you know i will um he's kind of someone that again
00:38:48.180as you pointed out kind of persona non grata british british for a very long time a lot of
00:38:54.820People are revisiting his comments, his famous, you know, rivers of blood speech is what you're referring to.
00:38:59.820Because, for one, Keir Starmer's speech at the beginning of his last year sounded kind of similar, you know, his Island of Strangers speech.
00:39:06.300Now he walked back a lot of it, even though a lot of that went through because it horrified so many of his fundamentally anti-white cohorts and labor.
00:39:15.460But yeah, Enoch Powell has vindicated on virtually everything that he said.
00:39:19.380And he was saying this at a time when Britain had like 30,000 migrants.
00:39:23.280I was doing, I was doing a little bit of, of reading on, you know, Powell this morning.
00:39:27.880And like, one of the things that, that I saw that was really kind of shocking is even though he was, you know, portrayed as this, you know, persona non grata, right after the speech that he gave that big, was it the rivers of blood speech, 75% or 74% of the British public agreed with him.
00:39:46.340And yet the powers that be still manage to not just remove him, but even treat him like a pariah and get him to become, you know, make him persona non grata.
00:39:59.540And now it's like kind of like one of the most I told you so guys that have ever existed, right?
00:40:05.140Like the 7-7 political history, particularly given the grooming gang scandal, the bombings, the border projectory, like all of this stuff has proven him right.
00:40:15.440And for decades, you couldn't even quote him without being accused of being a racist.
00:40:22.340It was kind of a weird time, like 1950 to 1965, where people's politics didn't really change that much, at least how they understood things like identity, things like immigration, even some social positions and that sort of thing.
00:40:39.380Hadn't really changed that much from before the war, but the elites certainly had.
00:40:42.980um we could obviously we would need oran mcintyre i think to do an autopsy on what happened with our
00:40:48.480elite composition following old war ii i'm sure people in chat will have an idea of what happened
00:40:53.020there but um regardless yes enoch powell what he was saying resonated with the british people and
00:40:58.260i think at the time wouldn't even have been particularly controversial as you're pointing
00:41:03.340out but i don't i think people would have viewed as fairly fairly innocuous like i don't think it
00:41:07.380would have riveted the british people back then because i was like yeah you're kind of preaching
00:41:10.620of the choir here but i think it was once people saw how angry this made the media and how angry
00:41:14.660this made the political establishment maybe they understood that there's a takeover happening
00:41:19.200um that being said with a lot of the material media that came out the time camp of the saints
00:41:23.880is another famous book um a lot of the projections that they made of what western europe would end
00:41:28.740up looking like we're actually quite tame to what we're actually living in right now you know people
00:41:31.760always talking about this dystopian future on the horizon uh we live in it already i mean if you
00:41:37.060were to tell someone in 1955 if you were to walk the streets of bradford in the united kingdom in
00:41:41.5601955 and you were to simply explain to them what bradford looks like in 2026 they would like be
00:41:46.860they would they would understand that yes this dystopian future has come to pass and something
00:41:51.680really grim and horrific has taken um its position um so yeah all that to be said i mean it's it's
00:41:59.060true and this is why i say you know restore it's funny that they're labeled as extremists or far
00:42:02.700right because i suppose in the political you know current political zeitgeist that may be true
00:42:05.940um but again restore these policies these politics would have been normal like literally with our
00:42:12.160grandparents maybe the 1950s these are very normal ordinary things not surprising at all to hear
00:42:18.340people understood these things like very clearly so it's not shocking at all yeah so there's one
00:42:23.400other thing that i want to bring up and it's i think that it might be um it might be related
00:42:29.640directly, but it's, it might not be, but the, the idea of a social media band, now the, the
00:42:36.340thought process here is this social media band would help prevent things like the rape report
00:42:43.280from getting traction, right? Rupert Lowe posted this on X yesterday, and it's already, you know,
00:42:50.260it's already, you know, we're talking about it here today. This is something that, that has had
00:42:54.520massive social implications um and uh and and this kind of thing is he gonna moon you no thankfully
00:43:04.300um the media ban or not i was so yeah the the but right what the social media ban is just for
00:43:12.020for viewers that aren't aware um it's a full ban on social media access for anyone under 16 in all
00:43:17.760of the uk it was announced yesterday at a press conference um part three of the children's well
00:43:23.880being in schools act it's modeled on australia's law and australia has had this uh for i think a
00:43:30.720year or two now um expected to take effect in 2027 pending the parliament approval uh
00:43:38.080starmer called it a line in the sand for tech companies what's getting banned is is snapchat
00:43:43.200tiktok youtube instagram facebook x reddit twitch kick threads but not um not blue sky
00:43:52.320which maybe it's because blue sky is so small i'm sorry what you're saying
00:43:55.680no i agree i mean it's like i go figure but yeah i would estimate it's because
00:43:59.280no one uses it so any user-to-user platform enabling
00:44:02.700social interaction posting an algorithmic recommendation
00:44:06.660live streaming and communications with strangers so like roblox will be
00:44:10.940be blocked for under 16 um romantic companion chatbots so if you have a
00:44:17.240chatbot that you're turning into your virtual
00:44:20.980girlfriend, that's going to be gone for anyone under 16. These restrictions apply by default
00:44:26.880to 16 and 17-year-olds to prevent a cliff-edge scenario. WhatsApp and Signal won't be banned,
00:44:33.140YouTube Kids, Google Classroom, anything that can be used in the schools for educational purposes,
00:44:39.740basically, music streaming, e-commerce, and then a narrow list of exemptions that are narrowly
00:44:48.220defined. The argument is that this is coming in response because they knew that Lowe's
00:44:56.100paper was coming out, the rape gang research paper was coming out. And so in response,
00:45:02.360they were like, oh, hey, we want to make sure that this kind of stuff doesn't blindside us
00:45:07.580again, that we have the ability to control who does and doesn't see this stuff. And obviously,
00:45:13.460particularly for kids what do you have a take on that do you think that there's any kind of
00:45:18.860uh any kind of crossover and then furthermore like what do you think about the concept of a
00:45:24.640limit on young people using these kind of social media apps yeah well i just did a bit of on the
00:45:29.800ground journalism and those kids that walked by yelled at them and asked if they supported the
00:45:32.960social media ban or what they thought about it two of them turned around and said not good
00:45:36.620yeah so the Scottish youth are firmly opposed at least the three that i've picked up anecdotally
00:45:41.380so far um yeah i think it's kind of obvious what's going on here 100 of those who were surveyed
00:45:46.660right yes exactly yeah my survey size of three says 100 are opposed um or two are opposed ones
00:45:52.640unsure um first of all you know they came for the teenagers ai girlfriend chatbots and i said
00:46:00.460nothing because i'm not a teenager but then they came for my own ai girlfriend chatbot and of
00:46:06.440course i didn't stand the line you know i didn't stand where i should have i should have you know
00:46:09.720fought against injustice everywhere but unfortunately um that being said yeah i think
00:46:14.240it's kind of obviously going on here again people will see conservative policy you know social
00:46:18.560conservative policy getting passed by governments that hate you and they don't get suspicious i'm
00:46:23.620seeing a lot of people come out they're like this is great you know kids shouldn't be on ipads or
00:46:26.840whatever you know a broken clock is right twice a day and it's like no again when the left when a
00:46:31.820left-wing government a government that hates you passes a policy that seemingly is aligned with
00:46:36.040your values you really need to comb through and figure out why are they throwing me a bone right
00:46:41.040now is it just because they've decided that you know what these poor conservatives had a rough go
00:46:45.920at it the last few let's throw you know throw them a policy here you know throw them a bone and see
00:46:49.560what they think about it no that's not what's going on here this is primarily about again the
00:46:54.160fact that i think young people are being exposed to ideas that they can't vet that they can't control
00:46:59.560um not to get like too obvious you know too on the nose here but again young people that are
00:47:05.540right wing are very right wing you know there's no centrists and to be fair a lot of left wingers
00:47:12.020are very left wing so there's not really any centrists with the young with the youth and i
00:47:16.460think this is the primary motivating factor and i don't think this is like hyperbole i don't think
00:47:20.320this is like a you know um conservative twitter talking point i think this is evident at least
00:47:25.420in britain by the fact that they've just you know drug everyone through struggle sessions over the
00:47:29.820manosphere and the fear over andrew tate and the rise of andrew tate and this sort of thing
00:47:33.680um because again they just perceive this as this clearly has popularity these kind of ideas clearly
00:47:40.180um are entertaining they're captivating to young people and we can't control that that's a huge
00:47:44.780threat you saw with the adolescence movie that came out where they said these right-wing chuds
00:47:49.360were the largest threat to you know for the british way of life i put a tweet up um i was
00:47:54.720interviewing someone in belfast and he said something very similar i was like you have
00:47:57.700concerns about the islamic immigration the mismatch culturally and he's like well i think
00:48:01.220all the violence or most of the violence is coming from christian nationalists so i mean again
00:48:05.000this is the popular policy among left people because it's about putting a lid on these types
00:48:10.080of unvetted ideas again as a conservative i sort of understand why people support this policy from
00:48:16.000a knee-jerk reaction and so far as like yeah we probably shouldn't have kids on roblox i don't
00:48:21.120know maybe drop the this age if the ban of this age was like 10 or maybe 12 i don't think anyone
00:48:25.460really bad and i think they'd be like yeah that's actually a great idea but i don't think this is
00:48:29.020because the government has determined that ipad kids are a problem i think the government has
00:48:32.740determined this is an information right yeah i mean it's worth noting that the enforcement
00:48:36.960to enforce a ban everyone has to provide the rage you can't just say oh it's just kids under 16 and
00:48:43.960we're going to check the kids they're going to just say everyone needs to produce id everyone
00:48:49.920needs to produce some kind of of evidence of who they are totally getting rid of anonymity on the
00:48:56.740internet and overall i do think it's a very bad thing now the the stated goals i am in favor of
00:49:04.100but the process is what i'm not like i don't want i don't want my kid on the internet at all like
00:49:11.520right like my kid he's very very young but like uh he's not an ipad kid we don't really we don't
00:49:18.160put tv on for him we don't put kid shows on for him like that stuff just doesn't happen at all
00:49:23.100And it's probably not going to happen anytime soon. There's no reason for your kid to be just sat in front of a TV and use the TV or the internet or an iPad as a babysitter. That's terrible for them. And there's plenty of evidence that shows that children don't develop properly.
00:49:37.980But furthermore, the idea that everyone has to submit to some kind of, or every social media app has to have a KYC, know your customer, before they'll allow them to engage socially.
00:49:53.900Anonymity is very good for a lot of people.
00:49:57.340I love the idea of getting rid of bots.
00:49:59.540I love the idea of getting rid of people that are just there to cause chaos.
00:50:05.040But the people that are there to cause chaos are probably a necessary evil for having the ability to be able to say unpopular things in places like the UK and anonymously, right?
00:50:20.640Like in the UK, they currently imprison more people than Russia, right, every year for social media posts.
00:50:28.380This is it's not that the dystopian government is coming. That kind of dystopian government already exists in the UK. And when there when you know that this particular government is imprisoning people in these numbers for social media posts and then they say we want to make sure that we know who is posting what because everyone's going to have to put up their identify their identity.
00:50:52.360That is going to cool people's desire to speak in ways that might be controversial, without a question, you know?
00:51:02.600Yeah, I totally agree, 100%, actually.
00:51:06.040And, yeah, I mean, this is the primary issue I've always had with these sorts of proposals.
00:51:11.160Because, again, instinctually I support this.
00:51:14.980So, again, I hate the fact that, you know, young people are not just with, you know, wasting time, but just losing a lot of that whimsy that comes with your childhood that I think I was the last generation of experience because of micro generation.
00:51:26.380I was born in 2001. So I remember when the iPhone was released. I remember when the iPad was released. And I remember when iPhones became ubiquitous. I remember when my mom got one.
00:51:34.220So I don't think I for me, the Internet was always just in a box in a room. And once you left that room, there was no more Internet.
00:51:40.960And I think that sort of allows a child to really be a child.
00:51:45.080So, again, I think that's within the parents' purview.
00:51:47.660Ultimately, I think the parents should be the ones that should be enforcing this.
00:51:50.240And I think there are maybe things that the government could do to maybe incentivize parents to do this.
00:51:54.580The problem is when the government just does this, you know, full stop, and this is the reason I've always been opposed to these sorts of proposals, is because, again, it destroys anonymity online.
00:52:05.840And I think most of the people watching this will understand why anonymity is important.
00:52:09.600maybe for those who don't you have to understand let me just reduce this down to like the simplest
00:52:13.780thing possible is a the federalist papers and in addition all the founding fathers were using pen
00:52:19.720names um they felt anonymity was important because ironically they were also under british rule and
00:52:24.800there was actually at the time some somewhat similar policies um occurring in the colonies
00:52:28.860uh and that's not even really an exaggeration actually now that i think about it uh secondarily
00:52:34.180anonymity delivered trump two uh electoral victory well three electoral victories but
00:52:38.880one of the uk two electoral victories in 2016 and uh in 2024 and that was in large part driven by
00:52:44.360anonymous posters anonymous twitter users yeah and that is not an exaggeration that is very fair
00:52:49.600to say um we could walk all through 2016 and do an autopsy on 2016 but even in 2024 i mean trump
00:52:55.300was down in the polls until the i'm eating they're eating the dogs or eating the cats you know at the
00:53:01.480and it got the campaign refocused on immigration which was the issue that is the reason trump is
00:53:07.140trump and he jumped back up in the polls and cruised to a massive victory over kamala harris
00:53:12.880well who was it that exposed the springfield they're eating the dogs and the cats it was a
00:53:18.220poster captive dreamer you know he's well known on on twitter um in the maga sphere specifically
00:53:24.180at the time he was an anonymous poster and he was the one that you know delivered this story and put
00:53:31.000this story on trump's desk which was obviously relayed to him through um his staffers because
00:53:36.100trump himself doesn't have a twitter anymore and again anonymity without anonymity i don't know if
00:53:40.560people would feel comfortable posting that kind of stuff i i don't know i mean i i'm my face is out
00:53:45.620there you know maybe i should have done that i don't know but i i don't i don't see myself as
00:53:50.320better than an anon because my face is out there this is what i hate this is a talk topic i won't
00:53:54.260name names here but there's people when they're talking about anonymity they're saying well i'm
00:53:57.700putting my you know face and name on the line um well i had a very specific like specific set of
00:54:04.960circumstances let us allow me to do this but some people don't and i still want their input i still
00:54:08.900want their voice i still want something that they have to say um if the option is i get to hear from
00:54:14.720them but i don't have their face and name or i don't hear from them at all i'll take the anonymous
00:54:18.420poster thank you very much so again i don't like when people say that because i'm saying this as
00:54:23.480a face um there's a term people use for people that use their face online and on politics that
00:54:29.980I won't say, oh, no, no, no, face fags.
00:54:39.800They are probably the largest part of the conservative MAGA ecosystem.
00:54:45.120If they're gone, I don't know what becomes.
00:54:47.540And in the U.S., we probably don't have to worry about this anytime soon,
00:54:49.380but there are conservatives that encourage anon bans.
00:54:53.040Jordan Peterson was a big proponent of this.
00:54:55.220But in Britain, if we lose all the British anons, we're in trouble, guys.
00:54:57.700There's a lot of smart British anons out there, and we lose some serious, serious problems for us.
00:55:02.340Yeah, I know that France and Canada have proposed similar laws, and there is a bipartisan bill in the U.S. Senate, the Kids Off Social Media Act, that would require similar age verification measures.
00:55:16.800And that kind of stuff here in the U.S., that's a real serious issue.
00:55:22.340Obviously, we've already gone over the things that that we want to or the problems that we can foresee.
00:55:29.560But I think that the dangers significantly outweigh the the possibility of positive results.
00:55:37.660Right. Like particularly when we know that the the Democrats have gone after Republicans and just your average conservative.
00:55:46.260Last night I was talking about it, you know, Hillary Clinton went after a guy that made a meme and the DOJ used it as a, the fact that he made a meme as they said that he was trying to produce, I believe it was misinformation about voters, saying that he was trying to mislead voters, which is illegal.
00:56:09.900But the powers that be, the establishment, they will absolutely try to create a situation in which the people that are your average person can be essentially used, they can use lawfare to cool their ability or their desire to even speak out.
00:56:32.100If you are an average person and the guy down the street gets picked up by the government or by the state and they accuse him of crimes and they cause him all this headache, and even if he's let free, it turns out they couldn't actually pin anything on him, that's going to make people say, I don't know that I want to express myself.
00:56:56.840I don't know that I want to say my opinions publicly.
00:57:00.740And if you take that in conjunction with the possibility of Democrats doing federally what they've done in California, which is making the elections basically not matter anymore, right?
00:57:15.060So they they use ballot harvesting. They use mail out mail out ballots. They use ballot harvesting. They use mail in voting and and can can manipulate the vote counts or make the fraud that or what people would consider fraud under other circumstances, make it legal.
00:57:32.300So that way, people that are Democrats can just say, well, I mean, change the law that, you know, win an election and change the law. Those two things in in in combination, that will totally destroy any semblance of a real election that represents the will of the people. I think Tate's moving to another place right now. There we go. You know, what are your thoughts on that kind of stuff, Tate?
00:57:58.360yeah sorry i was on the move i saw a giant pit bull um i'm kind of i mean like i know you like
00:58:05.040pit bulls i'm kind of terrified of them and especially over here like they're just like
00:58:08.280basically like they don't have bears here so that's like the closest thing they have i like
00:58:11.840the end of the pier because i figured if the people attacked me i wouldn't be able to do
00:58:16.240anything but i'm not trying to end up as a clip right now so i figured if the people came after
00:58:20.120me i'd be on the corner of the pier i could just like kick it to the water that was kind of my
00:58:22.880game plan i mean you could you could jump in yourself your your your phone is probably
00:58:26.800waterproof yeah i just figured if i could eliminate the dog that would be better for
00:58:30.700everybody involved but uh that being said yeah i mean look this is again people it's i guess it's
00:58:36.780kind of like cringe but it's like again if they came after the anons they'll come after you at
00:58:39.860some point um the anons are expressing opinions that will be picked up by us about three years
00:58:46.020later so i mean a common policy like the site was you know federalizing washington dc now you know
00:58:52.200putting the national guard all over the place that was proposed by anons like two years before
00:58:57.100um all of the different you know mechanisms that we could use to bring this forth were put into
00:59:02.300place by anon they were just talking about it openly on twitter and people within the trump
00:59:06.720administration reading their timelines we saw that idea at some point picked it up i don't know at
00:59:11.380what point and then two years later it's law it's now it's the law of the land and now we have the
00:59:15.920national guard all over you know washington dc so again these are they're just simply pushing the
00:59:21.760envelope maybe i guess you would say pushing the envelope on ideas but they end up filtering down
00:59:25.920to us at some point the common folk and this is why they're so valuable um and it's just
00:59:30.620intimidation that's all that's really going on at the a9s it's intimidation they are discouraging
00:59:35.680anybody from exiting the overton window from leaving the plantation so to speak because we
00:59:41.000have a lot to lose if your face is out there yeah you know it's something that's beyond the pale um
00:59:45.880your life's ruined what's encouraging is you brought up you know douglas mackie for example
00:59:50.080who was prosecuted for a meme and uh it's okay he had a lot of problems but he's out he's able to
00:59:57.720um now operate again you know as an individual but he was on the you know front end of that
01:00:03.700where now anons are getting doxed now and it's still screwing their lives over but it's not like
01:00:08.960full-blown end of the world like you said and that's kind of encouraging to see is that a the
01:00:15.060left just kind of lost their fastball a little bit but b the right understand you got to rally
01:00:49.320Yeah, because I know people like to think this wasn't the case, but I do think the people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, that would have been scandalous maybe 10, maybe not 10, but 20 years ago, I would say.
01:01:00.420I think people on the left would have viewed that as very disturbing 20 years ago, where now it's fair to say half of them were dismissive of the fact that, yes, there were people on your side celebrating it.
01:01:15.440I think that indicates the window's expanding.
01:01:18.220We're also on the right. We are able, once again, to express ideas that would have gotten you kicked off of a sort of podcast five years ago.
01:01:25.020Now they're in this policy. Yeah. I mean, just the idea of of deporting people as as mundane and and milquetoast as that idea is deporting people that are here illegally.
01:01:39.340Right. Like that should be like baseline obvious. That's something that Democrats were all in favor of, you know, 20 years ago.
01:01:48.220And there's video record of, you know, Hillary Clinton saying that, Barack Obama saying that if you're here illegally, you have to go.
01:01:56.400And then for a time, those ideas became, you know, they became beyond the pale.
01:02:03.020And to the extent that when Donald Trump first started talking about deporting people in 2015, when he was on the campaign trail the first time, people were incensed.
01:02:13.900They were like, how could he say this?
01:02:15.400He's a racist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:02:16.940And I think that the fact that that this is now normal conversation, as well as things that are, I guess, that are even you could say are extreme, like the the people that do not wholeheartedly condemn the the the jokes about Charlie Kirk or people that say things like express an endorsement of the, you know,
01:02:44.760attempted uh assassination attempts of of donald trump um that kind of stuff is just brushed away
01:02:51.280now it's like well you know people on the line online are going to say things um and while it's
01:02:56.460true there are people that are just going to say things to get people fired up it does affect the
01:03:01.540broad electorate right like it does make the average person uh feel more comfortable saying
01:03:08.560things that at some point would be down the pale and and maybe that is a double-edged sword you
01:03:13.220don't want people endorsing violence and stuff but at the same time to your point um you know
01:03:18.520putting the national guard into dc at one point was kind of beyond the pale but now you look at
01:03:25.280the results of putting the national guard into dc and crimes down people can go out and and spend
01:03:30.260time at national monuments you can walk around at night and it's not nearly as dangerous as it used
01:03:34.940to be i agree i mean i think without anons we would have had president hillary clinton and
01:03:40.820And then maybe right now we'd be considering maybe, oh,
01:03:42.860do we pick Scott Walker or Bobby Jindal for this next Republican?