The Culture War - Tim Pool - New Report EXPOSES UK Rape Gangs, 250K Victims

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00:00:56.060 Hello, everybody.

00:00:57.100 My name is Phil LaVante. I'm here doing the TimCast afternoon live show.

00:01:01.760 I'm holding it down today, not for, but with real Tate Brown.

00:01:06.760 He is on location. Tate, how are you doing?

00:01:09.000 I'm doing all right, brother. How about you?

00:01:10.600 Thanks for filling in the chair, quite literally filling in the chair.

00:01:15.960 You're quite welcome. It's been a good time so far.

00:01:19.620 So we're going to get right into it.

00:01:21.320 Today, we're going to be talking about the report released yesterday by Rupert Lowe, who's an MP from the UK, about the rape gangs.

00:01:31.560 The story is absolutely horrible.

00:01:36.160 It goes through about, what is it, 250,000 British young ladies have been raped, had been forced to get abortions, had been tortured.

00:01:49.380 I mean, it's really, really bad stuff.

00:01:51.320 I'll go with the core claims.

00:01:52.700 250,000 young white British girls were subject to rape, gang rape, trafficking, torture, and exploitation over decades, right?

00:02:00.880 This happened all over the country, 149 districts, roughly 40% of all of the U.K.

00:02:07.800 The roots of it go back to the 50s, but it really accelerated in the 1990s, and the victims are as young as 11.

00:02:16.620 The perpetrators were, as probably people have heard, there were approximately 87% of the offenders had distinctively Muslim names.

00:02:26.080 One expert cited 95% could be, had Muslim names.

00:02:32.500 The majority of them were Pakistani men, smaller numbers of Somali, Iranian, Syrian, Turkish backgrounds.

00:02:38.140 and it's not random like they were targeting white girls because of you know what basically

00:02:44.480 racist uh you know racist opinions so tate what what have you heard about this give us a little

00:02:50.180 background what you're seeing over there and what you know yeah well i mean as you guys can probably

00:02:54.740 see by the background i am in britain and i'm here in scotland um scotland obviously being

00:02:59.400 a place that many have noted for quite a long time has been sort of maybe spared from a bit of the

00:03:06.340 more you know horrendous migrant crimes and and that sort of thing glasgow in the last few years

00:03:12.440 has seen an increase in um migrant related crime and and all that sort so i will be covering um

00:03:20.540 some of those uh incidents here in glasgow but yeah so to your point rupert lowe um had been

00:03:25.940 crowdfunding for this um independent inquiry into the migrant grooming gang scandal which is you

00:03:32.120 has been commonly cited there are so there is some data out there um you can kind of compile

00:03:37.560 stories and kind of put two and two together and see what's going on here but as far as having one

00:03:42.280 large robust um you know you know one-stop shop to really determine what was going on here they're

00:03:49.160 all encompassing what was the grooming gang scandal or what is the grooming gang scandal

00:03:52.920 still continuing to this day and uh yeah so he runs this rupert lowe obviously an mp from great

00:03:59.440 yarmouth which is uh the southeast of england part of the restore party he's their only mp

00:04:04.780 currently in parliament he was formerly of reform um nigel farage party nigel farage being a trump

00:04:10.960 ally and he was ejected from reform um kind of a he said she said on his way out but you know

00:04:18.800 he he truly felt that reform was not going to get the job done he started his own party and

00:04:23.660 look if you know if you're one of these people that's maybe a bit more critical of restore

00:04:27.240 you know you're saying well they're going to undercut reform and elections we're going to

00:04:31.020 play spoiler it's hard to deny that right away he pumps out um you know this inquiry which is

00:04:36.200 which is huge i mean it really is a big deal that's kind of the that's kind of the point of

00:04:40.080 restore right like for people that you know aren't familiar there is reform that's that was looking

00:04:45.480 to do i guess moderate changes they were looking to to make some changes um restore is far more

00:04:54.960 I don't want to use the word extreme, but they they're looking for a far more comprehensive policy, something that's really going to put the British people, the English in particular in England, the Welsh in Wales, the Scottish, the the and even the the the Irish back in the center of the political world of the respective countries in the UK.

00:05:24.280 Can you go ahead and talk a little bit, Tate, about what kind of policies that Rupert Lowe is proposing and how they really are about not – they're not trying to be inclusive or be sugarcoat anything.

00:05:43.620 they're like we want to have a true british society and there are people here that don't

00:05:52.560 align with our interests they don't share our culture can you go into what what some of the

00:05:56.060 things that rupert lowe is looking to do yeah and like i want to start with because this is a huge

00:06:01.880 debate here in britain on the british right i think there's very fine people on both sides i

00:06:06.960 don't think there's any question about that i have friends that fall on both you know in both

00:06:11.040 camps um i do have some really good friends that restore and i think restore to your point has been

00:06:15.760 more reactive to um sort of the more um i don't want to use the word online right because people

00:06:20.960 use online right as a bit of a disparaging term but i think it's true it so far as restore has

00:06:26.180 been more open to um i think it's fair to say maybe younger um voices on the right reform has

00:06:32.520 been you know been critiqued um over the last few years as sort of uh incorporating tories more

00:06:38.540 quickly than they would incorporate maybe just young right-wingers in britain um and that's

00:06:43.300 ultimately what led to restore really starting was i think the main policy differentiator you

00:06:48.360 know the x factor for restore has been they're pretty unapologetic about mass deportations this

00:06:53.780 is a party that was founded ultimately after nigel farage in an interview said you know mass

00:06:59.560 deportations and we're not considering that it's impossible that's a pipe dream um and i think

00:07:04.820 that's actually the baseline if you're right wing and britain i think mass deportations is

00:07:09.160 the baseline is so rupert lowe has been pretty unapologetic about no all illegal immigrants need

00:07:14.080 to go home um and he's begun further and this is i think where some people have pointed out that

00:07:18.640 in some instances he's very trump-like and so far as he says he wants to remove legal migrants that

00:07:24.660 again are for a variety of reasons not contributing to british society either they're detracting

00:07:29.360 from british society through welfare or they're committing crimes um or they can't speak english

00:07:33.220 Those are kind of the three things I would say that he's indicated would make you, you know, a candidate to be deported, even if you were here legally.

00:07:42.180 Beyond that, he's explored denaturalization policies, which will be difficult to see in Britain, because right now that battle is ongoing over denaturalization, if that's something they can pursue.

00:07:52.460 something that you must consider if you're if you're an american which majority of the audience

00:07:56.060 watching is is that britain has one advantage um you know as far as mass deportations go that we

00:08:02.460 don't have here in the united states in which britain does not have birthright citizenship

00:08:05.980 so just because you're born in britain that doesn't make you a citizen they have uh citizenship

00:08:10.720 by blood so you need to have parents that are british citizens so that gives britain a lot more

00:08:15.880 bandwidth to deport you know a large you know proportion of their current population which

00:08:21.540 america doesn't happen i mean think about the united states we try to deport someone who has

00:08:25.320 a random court orders from 10 years ago saying he's allowed to stay here for a few weeks and

00:08:29.540 they will turn that into a wedge issue and he'll stay here forever just long enough for him to have

00:08:33.240 a kid and then they're here forever really i mean because you know we are trying to denaturalize

00:08:37.620 what's going to take quite a long time um in britain even if they're born in london born and

00:08:42.200 raised in london they're still not a british citizen in many cases and can be deported so

00:08:46.000 again britain has that in their back pocket where um if reform gets in and they you know are able to

00:08:51.120 get the job done or if restore gets in and they're able to follow through on their promises

00:08:54.260 they'll have a lot more tools in their tool belt to really carry out the mass deportations and

00:08:58.360 that's kind of the pressing issue no one is really supporting restore for their other policies that

00:09:03.600 you know they i would say in fair play to them you know i'm as a christian they have a you know

00:09:07.840 menu of um right-wing political or policy positions on a variety of topics um and i think that's

00:09:14.260 admirable i agree with the vast majority of those positions but like let's not fool ourselves the

00:09:18.500 main reason people are supporting Restore Britain, you know, people that aren't on the internet are

00:09:22.520 supporting Restore Britain is because, again, they view them as less apologetic about mass

00:09:26.120 deportations than reform. They trust Rupert Lowe to carry out mass deportations far more than they

00:09:31.080 trust Nigel Farage. So now you mentioned Rupert Lowe is the only MP from Restore in the what what

00:09:38.940 the parliament, right? So I did hear something about Restore candidates doing well in local

00:09:45.780 elections. Is that the case? And is that the case, first of all, and second of all, do you think

00:09:51.000 that that is going to solidify them or help to solidify them as a serious organization? Do you

00:09:58.540 think that they're going to be able to be marginalized? I'm sure labor is doing the same

00:10:02.480 kind of things that Democrats or the DSA would be doing here, which is calling them names,

00:10:10.520 trying to use ad hominem attacks, not really addressing the problems that they want to talk

00:10:15.580 about or saying that that the restore is is blowing them out of proportion or outright lying

00:10:21.380 do you think that the fact that there are local politicians for restore that have done so well

00:10:26.800 in uh whatever in municipalities or smaller elections do you think that's that's something

00:10:32.080 that can translate to the the national government to the whole parliament about the critique of

00:10:37.860 restore going into the um local elections which i would say roughly are similar to they weren't

00:10:43.700 historically but they've kind of turned into turned into their version of midterms i think

00:10:47.140 that would be fair to categorize them as such um and that was the main critique going into the uh

00:10:51.140 by elections or the sorry the local elections was that restore was just an online thing like it was

00:10:56.320 just an online party we've seen a million of those um in every country on planet earth they

00:11:00.640 have this based online party and then they're never able to translate to political victory

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00:11:59.800 ford store or ford.ca today um the libertarian party is a great example of that yeah uh where

00:12:05.940 restore local elections come along granted all of their local election victories were in great

00:12:11.320 yarmouth which is where rupert lowe is currently the mp so you know you kind of put a very very

00:12:17.440 very small asterisk on those victories but i think ultimately what the takeaway from those victories

00:12:22.240 is is that yes they are able to translate um online energy into political victory into into

00:12:28.960 actual you know tangible on the ground results um yes they are serious like this isn't just an

00:12:34.100 online thing with influencers like this is as legs whether you like it or not um and three i

00:12:40.060 think it exposed reform's flank i really do think this is a flank for reform there is a flank on

00:12:45.740 the right and i don't think it's fair to categorize restore britain as far right i'm not saying this

00:12:50.920 to run cover for them or anything like that i just legitimately think that these are all policies

00:12:54.920 that like our grandparents would have supported certainly the british grandparents would have

00:12:59.480 supported but now it's considered um you know extreme because of the current political situation

00:13:04.180 um as far as you mentioned labor um so you have labor right now they have a similar situation on

00:13:09.880 the left as you have the labor party and then you have the green party has emerged um where the

00:13:14.420 labor is now seen as kind of the uniparty establishment and the green party would be

00:13:17.680 kind of your dsa um analogs it's not like our green party where our green party just like is

00:13:22.000 trying to get coal plants shut down all the time that's basically it their green party is your like

00:13:26.840 AOC, wet dream, basically, like they want everything, you know, that you could possibly

00:13:30.780 think of that a DSA, maybe you get a DSA member drunk, and I think that would be a great policy

00:13:35.740 plot. And so you're kind of seeing that play out on the left. And ultimately, what Labor has been

00:13:41.740 able to use Restore for, which is quite ironic, is they're able to use, again, Restore as kind of

00:13:47.200 this boogeyman of what would come, you know, if you vote for the Green Party and split the vote,

00:13:51.640 and you keep us out of power, then Restore will come in. So as far as Labor being concerned about

00:13:56.620 restore i think they're mostly using them as a boogeyman because reform has gotten so popular

00:14:01.320 that i don't think people can accurately call them far right anymore that attack will land

00:14:05.300 with the british people so now they have to use restore as the boogeyman said

00:14:08.340 okay i i want to get back to the uh to the report a little bit one of the things that was a major

00:14:15.640 theme that was discussed in the in the the rape gang report was the institutional failures right

00:14:20.460 and this is something that people are generally aware of or at least people on the right are

00:14:25.860 generally aware of a lot, whether it be in the U.K. or here in the U.S., there is a fear by

00:14:31.980 politicians of being called names, being called racist, being of they're afraid to endorse

00:14:39.240 policies that are popular, at least here in the U.S., because they're afraid of what they're

00:14:45.780 going to be called. And in the U.K., it really turned into an institutional failure. And one

00:14:53.520 of the things that that the report says or some of the things the report says the police ignored

00:14:57.400 reports they were destroying evidence they let offenders go free and they were actually blaming

00:15:03.500 victims which is something that you don't really you don't really expect from the left right the

00:15:08.940 idea of victim blaming they're they're generally or historically uh they have a history of saying

00:15:14.960 you know we have to believe all women we have to believe victims you can't say that the victims

00:15:19.540 are in any way not telling the truth and stuff.

00:15:24.400 And they really did even criminalize victims.

00:15:27.100 Like the social services were closed.

00:15:29.380 They undermined protective parents.

00:15:31.100 They retaliated against whistleblowers.

00:15:34.140 NHS had documented injuries, infections, pregnancies,

00:15:38.100 even up to suicide attempts, and they failed to protect them.

00:15:42.100 Schools expelled victims instead of protecting them.

00:15:45.500 And then the local politicians and the national government,

00:15:47.460 They denied the problem existed, not just a little bit, but they were denying it for decades.

00:15:51.980 Can you get can you expand that a little bit?

00:15:54.960 Yeah, I mean, again, this was a people are thinking this report maybe just talking about the last few years talking about to your point through the 60s.

00:16:01.900 I mean, this has been this has been in British public life now for decades.

00:16:06.100 And most British are familiar with this occurring to some degree, especially because this has been pronounced in the working class.

00:16:12.980 You know, this is a group of people who now we see are swinging towards reform.

00:16:16.980 Well, there's a reason for that, because, you know, I think the grooming gangs, you know, may sound just really dramatic and insane for quite a lot of people hearing this.

00:16:24.140 But again, if you're the working class in Britain, this is something that you probably know someone that is, you know, involved in this in some way, shape or form.

00:16:32.720 Yeah, you talked about it. I mean, I think that is the most egregious part of this whole story is the institutional failure.

00:16:39.400 I mean, that's really the most shocking part. Again, there was one story in there out of Bradford.

00:16:43.880 Bradford is um you know it's it's near Huddersfield it's near Leeds which these are bit have been

00:16:48.900 hotbeds of um you know this grooming gang activities and there was a story in which a

00:16:54.200 girl forget her age which was a teenager um had been taken she was under duress and this being

00:17:00.220 held captive by a grooming gang she was pulled out by the police she issued you know phone the

00:17:05.260 police and told them what happened and they documented everything and they're like yes okay

00:17:08.400 etc etc and the police ended up bringing her back to the home in which she was held and released

00:17:14.700 back into their captivity and what would the police tell her when she was being literally

00:17:20.040 dropped back off to her you know uh oppressors i guess you would say for lack of better um her

00:17:25.440 perpetrators uh they said have fun that's what they said to her they said have fun and i think

00:17:29.480 that ultimately kind of epitomizes uh this story here which again the police in the united states

00:17:35.440 we kind of have this idea of the police as kind of like uh they're kind of victims in some way

00:17:40.460 because you know ultimately we say the da's are ultimately the source of the problem and we'll 0.50

00:17:45.340 typically say which i think this is broadly true yeah that if the police were able to do what they

00:17:49.420 needed to do they would have no problem carrying out they know exactly what are they exactly know

00:17:53.700 which skulls are cracked etc i'm using for this verbally of course um creating a bit of a different

00:17:58.640 situation to be honest with you um the police uh this isn't the same stock of guys like you know

00:18:04.400 you think about the american police officers these are again you have to be like working

00:18:07.280 class guys you know they could have ended up in the military maybe some of them have ended up in

00:18:10.440 the military they have they want to serve they want to protect their communities typically

00:18:14.060 fairly masculine guys at least historically that's been the case in american police and the

00:18:18.040 evidence for that is police unions in the united states are one of the only um public institutions

00:18:21.720 that backs republicans so i think that's exhibit a for my my case here britain's a completely

00:18:26.160 different situation and i think we saw this on full display with the henry novak um stabbing

00:18:31.000 where they approach him after he's been stabbed and they say i don't think you have been mate

00:18:34.160 and they put him under arrest um i think everything that's happening there indicates that

00:18:40.000 the police quite literally um are just view white british people as lesser than i really struggle

00:18:48.400 to find any other takeaway um i think that they are truly under the impression that racism is

00:18:53.180 so bad in britain that it would be impossible for an ethnic minority to oppress a white british

00:18:59.600 person i legitimately think that's what's going on here that is what the report indicates is that

00:19:03.500 Yes, that could be the ideology held by the police, but also that a lot of the police, maybe those that aren't just completely bought in, you know, drinking the Kool-Aid there, were just simply afraid of being punished or being racist.

00:19:14.520 So that's what was documented extensively in this inquiry is the amount of times where NHS, which is the National Health Service, where they have public health care, so they'll have various technicians and doctors and administrators and et cetera that will document everything that happened to you, to the police, to the schools, to the courts, everyone involved.

00:19:32.560 a lot of them understood what was going on something needed to be done but they were too

00:19:36.440 afraid of acting because again the blowback yeah made sure there'd be no justice and then b would

00:19:42.040 have gotten them in trouble because they would be again acting in a racist manner and that is the

00:19:46.260 criminal sin here in britain i'm even having to watch some things that i say while i'm there in

00:19:51.060 britain so yeah the report explicitly states oppression that was driven by fear of accusations

00:19:55.520 of racism um and it wasn't just like the labor party was doing it politicians of both parties

00:20:01.540 chose community cohesion over actually delivering justice to the victims, actually arresting people

00:20:08.740 that were committing crimes. And this does actually implicate Keir Starmer himself, right? So he was

00:20:14.880 the director of public prosecutions from 2008 to 2013. And that's when prosecutions were slow to

00:20:21.940 non-existent. This is his most egregious personal exposure to him, to this issue. Labor MPs overall

00:20:30.180 who voted 364 to 111 against an amendment for national statutory inquiry in January 2025,

00:20:36.680 which is why Rupert Lowe had to crowdfund this, right?

00:20:39.320 But what can you tell us about Keir Starmer's personal liability in this?

00:20:45.440 Is this going to affect his time as the prime minister?

00:20:50.000 Do you think that this is actually going to be something where people might demand his resignation?

00:20:54.380 I know it's only two days now since it's been released,

00:20:56.660 but is this something that the British people are going to say,

00:20:59.700 you know what we need to have a new prime minister because this is just beyond the pale

00:21:03.780 yeah i think his as far as his culpability goes um to understand what his position was

00:21:09.540 i think the analog of the united states would be um maybe the deputy ag possibly even the ag i would

00:21:14.780 say more fairly to say the deputy ag again the charge of investigation etc um yeah massive

00:21:20.200 culpability i mean again this is something that it's not fair to just eat up on labor for because

00:21:25.120 the Tories, the conservatives here, were not junior partners in this. Again, even if they

00:21:30.480 weren't actively covering up various scandals, various crimes directly, again, they were

00:21:36.800 participating in promoting the same policies that ended up leading to these people being here in

00:21:41.620 the first place. Boris Johnson, who when he came in, people were like, this is the British Trump.

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00:22:54.200 connexontario.ca a very large chunk of those coming from pakistan which again you pointed

00:22:59.380 out the top of the show they estimate that about 90 to 94 percent of the perpetrators um in this uh

00:23:05.700 this inquiry were of pakistani muslim extraction again 90 percent of the names were explicitly

00:23:11.760 um islamic names um 250 000 girls again keir starmer obviously there's not really any way

00:23:20.080 other way to restate this besides the fact that again he drug his feet when it came to serious

00:23:25.460 accusations um when even local to be fair local municipalities local police would say there's

00:23:31.300 something going on here we need some you know national nationwide resources to truly take a

00:23:35.840 look here and again his office was asleep at the wheel um you could worst case scenario attributed

00:23:41.440 to just maliciousness i think maybe the most fortuitous possible explanation you could give

00:23:45.860 would be again they were just fearful of being labeled racist um either way it's horrific it's

00:23:51.820 criminal and one more point that you made is again the labor mps rejected or the labor-led

00:23:57.180 parliament rejected an official inquiry here um so rupert lowe's inquiry that he made actually

00:24:02.940 doesn't trigger any mechanisms in parliament so there's no policy changes that will be a direct

00:24:08.720 result so far as this inquiry you know sort of triggering any sort of mechanism that would lead

00:24:13.400 to policy changes um but again there is a similar um grooming gang inquiry that is in the works

00:24:19.680 that is official that would have direct implications and i think why this one is so

00:24:24.560 important is because now it shows you what happened what we should expect to see in the

00:24:28.580 official one and again it sets the tone um and it's going to force the sort of official grooming

00:24:33.940 gang inquiry that comes out to again contain the majority of things that we're going to see

00:24:37.720 that we've seen here on this one yeah so the official one is the the statutory inquiry is

00:24:42.940 going to be under boss baroness and longfield um it formally began in march of 2026 or at the end

00:24:49.860 of march um it will run no more than three years meaning that nothing is going to happen until

00:24:55.400 2029 um critics say that it's structured to minimize findings and delay this starmer and

00:25:01.880 senior government officials issued zero comments they have no comment on lowe's report so they're

00:25:09.060 trying their best to ignore it uh labor voted against a national inquiry repeatedly before

00:25:14.680 political pressure forced them to act um but it doesn't sound like the labor party has yet been

00:25:21.400 moved by the severity and the implications in lowe's report that came out and again it is only

00:25:28.660 a couple days and it takes time for word to spread even with even today with the internet

00:25:33.340 being as fast as it is. This kind of report, it was 212 pages. Not everyone's going to read the

00:25:41.680 whole thing, but it is such a damning report. It is such a damning situation that labor had to move.

00:25:48.720 And I think that that actually does speak volumes about how bad the situation is. But it is worth

00:25:56.480 noting that if this is a government uh government inquiry that should they come up with similar

00:26:04.740 findings there would be something that would trigger actual government action um it does put

00:26:11.620 labor in the best position to vote for it and do what they can to help guide the actual investigation

00:26:17.740 doesn't it yeah i mean so the next election is scheduled for 2029 um people are speculating this

00:26:24.660 kind of goes into the current drama here right now is that if we could potentially see keir

00:26:28.740 storm around the job here in the next few months but yes we're expecting to see by 2029 what a

00:26:34.420 new government would come in probably reform like government that's currently who's topping the

00:26:38.200 polls um but what's interesting is we're seeing in the maker field uh by election that's coming up

00:26:42.840 again this is where andy burnham is topping the polls right now and he's kind of the presumed

00:26:46.920 next fp uh is he is he reform uh andy burnham is the next labor leader most likely okay my bad

00:26:53.880 left down and reform is pretty competitive in that seat um but restore is also sourcing a

00:26:59.980 candidate they're trying to they're trying to they're sorry rather they're running a candidate

00:27:03.280 in this race um so we kind of have this opportunity i would say to nip andy burnham in the bud here

00:27:09.280 because he's far more left-wing than pierced armor um we'll have to see what happens here

00:27:14.880 restore ends up taking enough of the vote away from reform it could allow andy burnham to win

00:27:19.240 this seat and that he will be likely the next mp here in the next few months and i don't think this

00:27:24.480 if you think keir starmer if it's not going to go anywhere near keir starmer andy burnham will

00:27:28.040 ensure that it gets buried as deeply as possible or he allows it get released there's nothing in

00:27:32.760 there and then there's no culpability on labor and then let's like reform pick up the ball

00:27:36.400 whatever they want when they get in you know down the road yeah um one of the uh excuse me one of

00:27:42.320 the uh the or some of the recommendations in rupert lowe's reports he was actually advocating

00:27:48.820 for mandatory ethno-religious data recording on offenders,

00:27:52.200 and I'm sure that that is going to get Labour completely up in arms.

00:27:57.440 Much harsher sentencing.

00:27:59.240 I've seen Rupert Lowe talk about bringing back the death penalty,

00:28:03.820 and I've seen some more of the incensed people on the right in the UK

00:28:11.720 not just bring back the death penalty for the perpetrators,

00:28:15.860 But for the politicians that have that have allowed this to happen now, I obviously don't think that that's going to happen.

00:28:24.300 But but the the idea that the UK, which is I mean, I'm not sure when they got rid of the death penalty, but, you know, historically or in recent history, the UK hasn't been hasn't had capital punishment in decades.

00:28:38.720 So to talk of bringing that back, even for the most egregious crimes like torturing children, that is a significant move.

00:28:47.740 Do you think that there is a significant plurality of the U.K. population that when it comes to those kind of drastic changes, do you think they have the stomach for it?

00:29:01.460 Well, I have to say to lead, I mean, I am on British soil currently, so I denounce fully.

00:29:06.460 um i think everyone involved should be punished to the current laws that are on the books um if

00:29:12.640 they have committed a crime um that i can say i'll i'll lead with that um beyond that i do think

00:29:18.840 there is an appetite for um i don't even think it's like vengeance really i just think people

00:29:24.160 really are tired of seeing on this disorder continue and again if there is truly no punishment

00:29:29.020 for a lot of disorder you're seeing new york city style um catch and releases of some of these

00:29:34.220 really violent criminals something has to give um i do think rupert low has put his finger on the

00:29:39.340 pulse here of what a lot of british people um specifically in england the english have been

00:29:44.600 feeling they just haven't been quite able to articulate that because they haven't had a

00:29:47.760 thought leader um emerge that's you know able to say these things and give them permission to say

00:29:52.820 these things and or articulate what their concern actually is because sometimes they can feel it

00:29:57.460 they can sense it they just can't quite put it into words and i think that's why a lot of people

00:30:01.520 have been drawn to restore us because he is able to effectively put these things into words.

00:30:06.760 But I think primarily, you know, you know, Saga of Akkad, Carl Benjamin, he makes this point all

00:30:11.900 the time that the English, on average, are actually more conservative than Americans. And,

00:30:16.780 you know, a lot of people find that, you know, crazy, because I think it's just a different

00:30:21.360 style of conservatism, where I think Americans are more Christian, more religious. So perhaps

00:30:27.120 maybe on some certain social issues we are more conservative and those are typically the cultural 0.97

00:30:32.340 issues sure so those are the ones that you see a lot so like abortion homosexuality these are

00:30:37.660 issues that yes we are you know significantly to the right of the english or the british right on

00:30:42.540 so again on cultural issues we're constantly the ones that seem to be on the right but on issues

00:30:46.980 of identity on immigration um and on criminal justice broadly i i do think the english definitely

00:30:53.380 they have as far as who's more authentically right wing i mean there's a lot of polling

00:30:57.340 that indicates that you know they'll they'll ask an american conservative they'll ask a

00:31:02.760 english conservative what do you think of the idea that your country is a specific nation with a

00:31:07.320 specific history of a specific culture a specific heritage etc and far more english that's almost

00:31:13.280 like universally held among english right wingers are like yeah of course um american right wingers

00:31:17.620 while online you might think it's 100 of them the reality is the majority of right wingers in

00:31:22.340 America, the reality of Republican voters think, oh, yeah, Vivek Ramaswamy is just as American as

00:31:27.520 you and me. So, you know, while online, we might think it's something else, the reality is on the

00:31:32.280 ground. Again, Brits have a much stronger, specifically the English, I must say the English,

00:31:36.380 the Scots or the Welsh are a little bit more left wing, but the English have a very strong

00:31:42.000 understanding of self, a really strong understanding of identity. And that is manifesting and, you

00:31:48.140 know, the emergence of Rupert Lowe, but it must be said, in the emergence of reform, I mean, I know

00:31:51.840 it's really in vogue right now to dunk on reform um but you got to consider where nigel farage has

00:31:56.720 come from i mean he went from a laughing stock ukip was a laughing stock yeah and just a few

00:32:01.660 years later brexit party you know it was it was it was almost almost a joke even among the right

00:32:05.640 it was like wow you know it's kind of funny it's a bit of you know um shock and awe it's fun but

00:32:10.160 it's never going to manifest anything serious but here we are where reform is not only poised to win

00:32:15.480 the next election three four years out dominating the polls but now they have a right-wing editor

00:32:20.260 that is increasingly becoming a viable competitor.

00:32:23.040 That just shows you how much Nigel Farage

00:32:24.700 in the reform party has changed.

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00:33:39.860 Yeah, Boris Johnson.

00:33:40.920 He came in and they weren't, it wasn't like they were all that interested in carrying out. 1.00

00:33:47.760 what the people voted for do you think that that that nigel farage as much as i understand your 0.97

00:33:52.740 point and i do agree he does deserve credit for helping to move the overton window do you think 0.90

00:33:57.160 that because he wasn't able to really deliver the things that people that voted for brexit thought

00:34:03.200 they were going to get do you think that that uh you know implicates him as as being actually less

00:34:08.740 effective than than he at least promised to be well i think he was able to stir up and build up

00:34:13.840 the infrastructure to make brexit happen but he wasn't in a position to govern over brexit once

00:34:18.640 the people executed the referendum now the ball was on the tory's court it wasn't david cameron's

00:34:23.180 you know it was his now to usher the country out of the european union he you know withdrew and

00:34:29.020 then you saw like a million tory uh prime ministers come in boris johnson obviously came in so the

00:34:33.840 conservatives were in charge for the duration of the uh brexit period i guess you would say the

00:34:38.140 brexit era and nigel farage yes he was able to get the party across the finish line yes he was

00:34:42.100 doing well in the european elections but he wasn't in any sort of position in britain to actually

00:34:47.180 sort of usher um brexit to the finish line and what you ended up seeing was to your point

00:34:52.180 um a backstabbing because what what drove brexit do you think people really add like

00:34:56.340 and i'm going to just tap this button real quick um do you really think people had like they're

00:35:00.760 like a complex you know economic understanding of like well you know this trade deal is really

00:35:05.280 ripping us up no the reason people voted for brexit is they were tired of the immigration 0.99

00:35:08.340 The immigration levels are far too high. This is becoming an island of strangers, in the words of Keir Starmer. We've had enough. But what ended up happening after Brexit is immigration went up eight times, and it shifted from majority EU immigrants to majority non-EU immigrants, mostly from the third world. 0.98

00:35:25.300 So not only was it like a failure or backstabbing, but it was quite literally the opposite of why people voted for it in the first place. 0.97

00:35:33.140 So I think people still have a very favorable view of Farage because he was the one that delivered Brexit.

00:35:39.100 He clearly has demonstrated that he can sort of put certain policies on the kitchen tables of the British people and force them to make a decision on it.

00:35:47.260 And I think that is a political skill that's really hard to come by.

00:35:50.160 I think what the attack vector on Farage is more so is, yes, OK, he's had some very concerning statements on immigration.

00:35:58.000 I totally agree. I share those concerns.

00:36:01.380 I think it's more his leadership style, because I think the main criticism you've seen of reform, not just from Restore, but pretty much anyone on the right, is that they've been taking pretty much any Tory that's willing to jump ship to reform.

00:36:13.960 So while Farage has been very consistent, you know, he's been outside of the Tories, you know, for, you know, he hasn't been a Tory very long time.

00:36:22.460 They've always hated him. They hate Farage and he hates them.

00:36:25.380 But a lot of ex-conservatives, ex-Tories like Robert Jenrick comes to mind, who quite literally oversaw the Boris wave.

00:36:32.260 And now he's in reform. He's got to like, we all got to act like nothing happened.

00:36:35.580 He's, you know, just emerged out of nowhere.

00:36:38.060 I think that's been the main concern with Farage, and that would be the main concern of people that maybe are skeptical that reform will get the job done.

00:36:44.620 Not so much to do with Farage, but more so with the team that he's built around him, especially considering these Tory defectors that have come over.

00:36:51.900 Think of it like President Trump's first term, where people were excited about Trump the same way people were excited about Farage,

00:36:57.760 but there was always criticisms of Trump's ability to surround himself with the most effective people that were aligned with his goals.

00:37:02.880 it's kind of a similar dynamic playing out with reform and so far as some of these guys coming

00:37:08.820 over would be the equivalent of like rhinos or established or whatever you want to use as an

00:37:13.980 analog you're going to end up with lindsey graham so you know and i'm talking about 2016 lindsey

00:37:18.780 graham you're going to end up with you know a litany of just these you know bill bars just

00:37:22.880 these horrible um mike pence these horrible guys coming over and i think a lot of people in britain

00:37:26.980 are kind of seeing that and they're saying well maybe we should see if restore can get anything

00:37:31.800 done in the meantime before we have to pull the lever for reform in 2029 so the uh some of the

00:37:37.820 stuff that that was like political framing i guess um the forward of the report states that britain

00:37:44.500 doesn't have a racism problem it has an immigration problem and this actually harkens back to some of

00:37:49.320 the stuff that um i've i didn't know much about him uh before this kind of stuff came out but

00:37:55.380 there was this guy enoch powell which i'm sure you're familiar with him and he was making these

00:37:59.760 arguments that, that if you end up having this kind of immigration, you're going to fundamentally 0.59

00:38:06.160 change what the UK is. You're going to change the way that people look at each other. You're 1.00

00:38:13.420 going to change when you change the people, you change the culture. And Enoch Powell got, I mean,

00:38:18.900 he got absolutely annihilated for that. They, they sacked him from the cabinet. Um, they,

00:38:24.680 he was labeled a racist, obviously put him and basically destroyed his political career with

00:38:29.040 the conservative party and he became like so radioactive that no one wanted to touch him but

00:38:34.680 now if you look at what's going on um it looks like a lot of the things that he predicted

00:38:41.300 you know are coming to pass yeah yeah yeah you know i will um he's kind of someone that again

00:38:48.180 as you pointed out kind of persona non grata british british for a very long time a lot of

00:38:54.820 People are revisiting his comments, his famous, you know, rivers of blood speech is what you're referring to.

00:38:59.820 Because, for one, Keir Starmer's speech at the beginning of his last year sounded kind of similar, you know, his Island of Strangers speech.

00:39:06.300 Now he walked back a lot of it, even though a lot of that went through because it horrified so many of his fundamentally anti-white cohorts and labor.

00:39:15.460 But yeah, Enoch Powell has vindicated on virtually everything that he said.

00:39:19.380 And he was saying this at a time when Britain had like 30,000 migrants. 0.60

00:39:22.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:23.280 I was doing, I was doing a little bit of, of reading on, you know, Powell this morning.

00:39:27.880 And like, one of the things that, that I saw that was really kind of shocking is even though he was, you know, portrayed as this, you know, persona non grata, right after the speech that he gave that big, was it the rivers of blood speech, 75% or 74% of the British public agreed with him.

00:39:46.340 And yet the powers that be still manage to not just remove him, but even treat him like a pariah and get him to become, you know, make him persona non grata.

00:39:59.540 And now it's like kind of like one of the most I told you so guys that have ever existed, right?

00:40:05.140 Like the 7-7 political history, particularly given the grooming gang scandal, the bombings, the border projectory, like all of this stuff has proven him right.

00:40:15.440 And for decades, you couldn't even quote him without being accused of being a racist.

00:40:19.940 Yeah, I think that's absolutely true.

00:40:22.340 It was kind of a weird time, like 1950 to 1965, where people's politics didn't really change that much, at least how they understood things like identity, things like immigration, even some social positions and that sort of thing.

00:40:39.380 Hadn't really changed that much from before the war, but the elites certainly had.

00:40:42.980 um we could obviously we would need oran mcintyre i think to do an autopsy on what happened with our

00:40:48.480 elite composition following old war ii i'm sure people in chat will have an idea of what happened

00:40:53.020 there but um regardless yes enoch powell what he was saying resonated with the british people and

00:40:58.260 i think at the time wouldn't even have been particularly controversial as you're pointing

00:41:03.340 out but i don't i think people would have viewed as fairly fairly innocuous like i don't think it

00:41:07.380 would have riveted the british people back then because i was like yeah you're kind of preaching

00:41:10.620 of the choir here but i think it was once people saw how angry this made the media and how angry

00:41:14.660 this made the political establishment maybe they understood that there's a takeover happening

00:41:19.200 um that being said with a lot of the material media that came out the time camp of the saints

00:41:23.880 is another famous book um a lot of the projections that they made of what western europe would end

00:41:28.740 up looking like we're actually quite tame to what we're actually living in right now you know people

00:41:31.760 always talking about this dystopian future on the horizon uh we live in it already i mean if you

00:41:37.060 were to tell someone in 1955 if you were to walk the streets of bradford in the united kingdom in

00:41:41.560 1955 and you were to simply explain to them what bradford looks like in 2026 they would like be

00:41:46.860 they would they would understand that yes this dystopian future has come to pass and something

00:41:51.680 really grim and horrific has taken um its position um so yeah all that to be said i mean it's it's

00:41:59.060 true and this is why i say you know restore it's funny that they're labeled as extremists or far

00:42:02.700 right because i suppose in the political you know current political zeitgeist that may be true

00:42:05.940 um but again restore these policies these politics would have been normal like literally with our

00:42:12.160 grandparents maybe the 1950s these are very normal ordinary things not surprising at all to hear

00:42:18.340 people understood these things like very clearly so it's not shocking at all yeah so there's one

00:42:23.400 other thing that i want to bring up and it's i think that it might be um it might be related

00:42:29.640 directly, but it's, it might not be, but the, the idea of a social media band, now the, the

00:42:36.340 thought process here is this social media band would help prevent things like the rape report

00:42:43.280 from getting traction, right? Rupert Lowe posted this on X yesterday, and it's already, you know,

00:42:50.260 it's already, you know, we're talking about it here today. This is something that, that has had

00:42:54.520 massive social implications um and uh and and this kind of thing is he gonna moon you no thankfully

00:43:04.300 um the media ban or not i was so yeah the the but right what the social media ban is just for

00:43:12.020 for viewers that aren't aware um it's a full ban on social media access for anyone under 16 in all

00:43:17.760 of the uk it was announced yesterday at a press conference um part three of the children's well

00:43:23.880 being in schools act it's modeled on australia's law and australia has had this uh for i think a

00:43:30.720 year or two now um expected to take effect in 2027 pending the parliament approval uh

00:43:38.080 starmer called it a line in the sand for tech companies what's getting banned is is snapchat

00:43:43.200 tiktok youtube instagram facebook x reddit twitch kick threads but not um not blue sky

00:43:52.320 which maybe it's because blue sky is so small i'm sorry what you're saying

00:43:55.680 no i agree i mean it's like i go figure but yeah i would estimate it's because

00:43:59.280 no one uses it so any user-to-user platform enabling

00:44:02.700 social interaction posting an algorithmic recommendation

00:44:06.660 live streaming and communications with strangers so like roblox will be

00:44:10.940 be blocked for under 16 um romantic companion chatbots so if you have a

00:44:17.240 chatbot that you're turning into your virtual

00:44:20.980 girlfriend, that's going to be gone for anyone under 16. These restrictions apply by default

00:44:26.880 to 16 and 17-year-olds to prevent a cliff-edge scenario. WhatsApp and Signal won't be banned,

00:44:33.140 YouTube Kids, Google Classroom, anything that can be used in the schools for educational purposes,

00:44:39.740 basically, music streaming, e-commerce, and then a narrow list of exemptions that are narrowly

00:44:48.220 defined. The argument is that this is coming in response because they knew that Lowe's

00:44:56.100 paper was coming out, the rape gang research paper was coming out. And so in response,

00:45:02.360 they were like, oh, hey, we want to make sure that this kind of stuff doesn't blindside us

00:45:07.580 again, that we have the ability to control who does and doesn't see this stuff. And obviously,

00:45:13.460 particularly for kids what do you have a take on that do you think that there's any kind of

00:45:18.860 uh any kind of crossover and then furthermore like what do you think about the concept of a

00:45:24.640 limit on young people using these kind of social media apps yeah well i just did a bit of on the

00:45:29.800 ground journalism and those kids that walked by yelled at them and asked if they supported the

00:45:32.960 social media ban or what they thought about it two of them turned around and said not good

00:45:36.620 yeah so the Scottish youth are firmly opposed at least the three that i've picked up anecdotally

00:45:41.380 so far um yeah i think it's kind of obvious what's going on here 100 of those who were surveyed

00:45:46.660 right yes exactly yeah my survey size of three says 100 are opposed um or two are opposed ones

00:45:52.640 unsure um first of all you know they came for the teenagers ai girlfriend chatbots and i said

00:46:00.460 nothing because i'm not a teenager but then they came for my own ai girlfriend chatbot and of

00:46:06.440 course i didn't stand the line you know i didn't stand where i should have i should have you know

00:46:09.720 fought against injustice everywhere but unfortunately um that being said yeah i think

00:46:14.240 it's kind of obviously going on here again people will see conservative policy you know social

00:46:18.560 conservative policy getting passed by governments that hate you and they don't get suspicious i'm

00:46:23.620 seeing a lot of people come out they're like this is great you know kids shouldn't be on ipads or

00:46:26.840 whatever you know a broken clock is right twice a day and it's like no again when the left when a

00:46:31.820 left-wing government a government that hates you passes a policy that seemingly is aligned with

00:46:36.040 your values you really need to comb through and figure out why are they throwing me a bone right

00:46:41.040 now is it just because they've decided that you know what these poor conservatives had a rough go

00:46:45.920 at it the last few let's throw you know throw them a policy here you know throw them a bone and see

00:46:49.560 what they think about it no that's not what's going on here this is primarily about again the

00:46:54.160 fact that i think young people are being exposed to ideas that they can't vet that they can't control

00:46:59.560 um not to get like too obvious you know too on the nose here but again young people that are

00:47:05.540 right wing are very right wing you know there's no centrists and to be fair a lot of left wingers

00:47:12.020 are very left wing so there's not really any centrists with the young with the youth and i

00:47:16.460 think this is the primary motivating factor and i don't think this is like hyperbole i don't think

00:47:20.320 this is like a you know um conservative twitter talking point i think this is evident at least

00:47:25.420 in britain by the fact that they've just you know drug everyone through struggle sessions over the

00:47:29.820 manosphere and the fear over andrew tate and the rise of andrew tate and this sort of thing

00:47:33.680 um because again they just perceive this as this clearly has popularity these kind of ideas clearly

00:47:40.180 um are entertaining they're captivating to young people and we can't control that that's a huge

00:47:44.780 threat you saw with the adolescence movie that came out where they said these right-wing chuds

00:47:49.360 were the largest threat to you know for the british way of life i put a tweet up um i was 0.74

00:47:54.720 interviewing someone in belfast and he said something very similar i was like you have

00:47:57.700 concerns about the islamic immigration the mismatch culturally and he's like well i think

00:48:01.220 all the violence or most of the violence is coming from christian nationalists so i mean again

00:48:05.000 this is the popular policy among left people because it's about putting a lid on these types

00:48:10.080 of unvetted ideas again as a conservative i sort of understand why people support this policy from

00:48:16.000 a knee-jerk reaction and so far as like yeah we probably shouldn't have kids on roblox i don't

00:48:21.120 know maybe drop the this age if the ban of this age was like 10 or maybe 12 i don't think anyone

00:48:25.460 really bad and i think they'd be like yeah that's actually a great idea but i don't think this is

00:48:29.020 because the government has determined that ipad kids are a problem i think the government has

00:48:32.740 determined this is an information right yeah i mean it's worth noting that the enforcement

00:48:36.960 to enforce a ban everyone has to provide the rage you can't just say oh it's just kids under 16 and

00:48:43.960 we're going to check the kids they're going to just say everyone needs to produce id everyone

00:48:49.920 needs to produce some kind of of evidence of who they are totally getting rid of anonymity on the

00:48:56.740 internet and overall i do think it's a very bad thing now the the stated goals i am in favor of

00:49:04.100 but the process is what i'm not like i don't want i don't want my kid on the internet at all like

00:49:11.520 right like my kid he's very very young but like uh he's not an ipad kid we don't really we don't

00:49:18.160 put tv on for him we don't put kid shows on for him like that stuff just doesn't happen at all

00:49:23.100 And it's probably not going to happen anytime soon. There's no reason for your kid to be just sat in front of a TV and use the TV or the internet or an iPad as a babysitter. That's terrible for them. And there's plenty of evidence that shows that children don't develop properly.

00:49:37.980 But furthermore, the idea that everyone has to submit to some kind of, or every social media app has to have a KYC, know your customer, before they'll allow them to engage socially.

00:49:53.900 Anonymity is very good for a lot of people.

00:49:57.340 I love the idea of getting rid of bots.

00:49:59.540 I love the idea of getting rid of people that are just there to cause chaos.

00:50:05.040 But the people that are there to cause chaos are probably a necessary evil for having the ability to be able to say unpopular things in places like the UK and anonymously, right?

00:50:20.640 Like in the UK, they currently imprison more people than Russia, right, every year for social media posts.

00:50:28.380 This is it's not that the dystopian government is coming. That kind of dystopian government already exists in the UK. And when there when you know that this particular government is imprisoning people in these numbers for social media posts and then they say we want to make sure that we know who is posting what because everyone's going to have to put up their identify their identity.

00:50:52.360 That is going to cool people's desire to speak in ways that might be controversial, without a question, you know?

00:51:02.600 Yeah, I totally agree, 100%, actually.

00:51:06.040 And, yeah, I mean, this is the primary issue I've always had with these sorts of proposals.

00:51:11.160 Because, again, instinctually I support this. 0.84

00:51:14.980 So, again, I hate the fact that, you know, young people are not just with, you know, wasting time, but just losing a lot of that whimsy that comes with your childhood that I think I was the last generation of experience because of micro generation.

00:51:26.380 I was born in 2001. So I remember when the iPhone was released. I remember when the iPad was released. And I remember when iPhones became ubiquitous. I remember when my mom got one.

00:51:34.220 So I don't think I for me, the Internet was always just in a box in a room. And once you left that room, there was no more Internet.

00:51:40.960 And I think that sort of allows a child to really be a child.

00:51:45.080 So, again, I think that's within the parents' purview.

00:51:47.660 Ultimately, I think the parents should be the ones that should be enforcing this.

00:51:50.240 And I think there are maybe things that the government could do to maybe incentivize parents to do this.

00:51:54.580 The problem is when the government just does this, you know, full stop, and this is the reason I've always been opposed to these sorts of proposals, is because, again, it destroys anonymity online.

00:52:05.840 And I think most of the people watching this will understand why anonymity is important.

00:52:09.600 maybe for those who don't you have to understand let me just reduce this down to like the simplest

00:52:13.780 thing possible is a the federalist papers and in addition all the founding fathers were using pen

00:52:19.720 names um they felt anonymity was important because ironically they were also under british rule and

00:52:24.800 there was actually at the time some somewhat similar policies um occurring in the colonies

00:52:28.860 uh and that's not even really an exaggeration actually now that i think about it uh secondarily

00:52:34.180 anonymity delivered trump two uh electoral victory well three electoral victories but

00:52:38.880 one of the uk two electoral victories in 2016 and uh in 2024 and that was in large part driven by

00:52:44.360 anonymous posters anonymous twitter users yeah and that is not an exaggeration that is very fair

00:52:49.600 to say um we could walk all through 2016 and do an autopsy on 2016 but even in 2024 i mean trump

00:52:55.300 was down in the polls until the i'm eating they're eating the dogs or eating the cats you know at the

00:53:01.480 and it got the campaign refocused on immigration which was the issue that is the reason trump is

00:53:07.140 trump and he jumped back up in the polls and cruised to a massive victory over kamala harris

00:53:12.880 well who was it that exposed the springfield they're eating the dogs and the cats it was a

00:53:18.220 poster captive dreamer you know he's well known on on twitter um in the maga sphere specifically

00:53:24.180 at the time he was an anonymous poster and he was the one that you know delivered this story and put

00:53:31.000 this story on trump's desk which was obviously relayed to him through um his staffers because

00:53:36.100 trump himself doesn't have a twitter anymore and again anonymity without anonymity i don't know if

00:53:40.560 people would feel comfortable posting that kind of stuff i i don't know i mean i i'm my face is out

00:53:45.620 there you know maybe i should have done that i don't know but i i don't i don't see myself as

00:53:50.320 better than an anon because my face is out there this is what i hate this is a talk topic i won't

00:53:54.260 name names here but there's people when they're talking about anonymity they're saying well i'm

00:53:57.700 putting my you know face and name on the line um well i had a very specific like specific set of

00:54:04.960 circumstances let us allow me to do this but some people don't and i still want their input i still

00:54:08.900 want their voice i still want something that they have to say um if the option is i get to hear from

00:54:14.720 them but i don't have their face and name or i don't hear from them at all i'll take the anonymous

00:54:18.420 poster thank you very much so again i don't like when people say that because i'm saying this as

00:54:23.480 a face um there's a term people use for people that use their face online and on politics that

00:54:29.980 I won't say, oh, no, no, no, face fags. 0.99

00:54:31.600 I think you can say that. 1.00

00:54:32.720 As a face fag, I am very happy anons exist, 0.89

00:54:37.600 and they're very useful. 0.91

00:54:39.800 They are probably the largest part of the conservative MAGA ecosystem.

00:54:45.120 If they're gone, I don't know what becomes.

00:54:47.540 And in the U.S., we probably don't have to worry about this anytime soon, 0.99

00:54:49.380 but there are conservatives that encourage anon bans.

00:54:53.040 Jordan Peterson was a big proponent of this.

00:54:55.220 But in Britain, if we lose all the British anons, we're in trouble, guys. 0.92

00:54:57.700 There's a lot of smart British anons out there, and we lose some serious, serious problems for us. 0.96

00:55:02.340 Yeah, I know that France and Canada have proposed similar laws, and there is a bipartisan bill in the U.S. Senate, the Kids Off Social Media Act, that would require similar age verification measures.

00:55:16.800 And that kind of stuff here in the U.S., that's a real serious issue.

00:55:22.340 Obviously, we've already gone over the things that that we want to or the problems that we can foresee.

00:55:29.560 But I think that the dangers significantly outweigh the the possibility of positive results.

00:55:37.660 Right. Like particularly when we know that the the Democrats have gone after Republicans and just your average conservative.

00:55:46.260 Last night I was talking about it, you know, Hillary Clinton went after a guy that made a meme and the DOJ used it as a, the fact that he made a meme as they said that he was trying to produce, I believe it was misinformation about voters, saying that he was trying to mislead voters, which is illegal.

00:56:09.900 But the powers that be, the establishment, they will absolutely try to create a situation in which the people that are your average person can be essentially used, they can use lawfare to cool their ability or their desire to even speak out.

00:56:32.100 If you are an average person and the guy down the street gets picked up by the government or by the state and they accuse him of crimes and they cause him all this headache, and even if he's let free, it turns out they couldn't actually pin anything on him, that's going to make people say, I don't know that I want to express myself.

00:56:56.840 I don't know that I want to say my opinions publicly.

00:57:00.740 And if you take that in conjunction with the possibility of Democrats doing federally what they've done in California, which is making the elections basically not matter anymore, right?

00:57:15.060 So they they use ballot harvesting. They use mail out mail out ballots. They use ballot harvesting. They use mail in voting and and can can manipulate the vote counts or make the fraud that or what people would consider fraud under other circumstances, make it legal.

00:57:32.300 So that way, people that are Democrats can just say, well, I mean, change the law that, you know, win an election and change the law. Those two things in in in combination, that will totally destroy any semblance of a real election that represents the will of the people. I think Tate's moving to another place right now. There we go. You know, what are your thoughts on that kind of stuff, Tate?

00:57:58.360 yeah sorry i was on the move i saw a giant pit bull um i'm kind of i mean like i know you like

00:58:05.040 pit bulls i'm kind of terrified of them and especially over here like they're just like

00:58:08.280 basically like they don't have bears here so that's like the closest thing they have i like

00:58:11.840 the end of the pier because i figured if the people attacked me i wouldn't be able to do

00:58:16.240 anything but i'm not trying to end up as a clip right now so i figured if the people came after

00:58:20.120 me i'd be on the corner of the pier i could just like kick it to the water that was kind of my

00:58:22.880 game plan i mean you could you could jump in yourself your your your phone is probably

00:58:26.800 waterproof yeah i just figured if i could eliminate the dog that would be better for

00:58:30.700 everybody involved but uh that being said yeah i mean look this is again people it's i guess it's

00:58:36.780 kind of like cringe but it's like again if they came after the anons they'll come after you at

00:58:39.860 some point um the anons are expressing opinions that will be picked up by us about three years

00:58:46.020 later so i mean a common policy like the site was you know federalizing washington dc now you know

00:58:52.200 putting the national guard all over the place that was proposed by anons like two years before

00:58:57.100 um all of the different you know mechanisms that we could use to bring this forth were put into

00:59:02.300 place by anon they were just talking about it openly on twitter and people within the trump

00:59:06.720 administration reading their timelines we saw that idea at some point picked it up i don't know at

00:59:11.380 what point and then two years later it's law it's now it's the law of the land and now we have the

00:59:15.920 national guard all over you know washington dc so again these are they're just simply pushing the

00:59:21.760 envelope maybe i guess you would say pushing the envelope on ideas but they end up filtering down

00:59:25.920 to us at some point the common folk and this is why they're so valuable um and it's just 1.00

00:59:30.620 intimidation that's all that's really going on at the a9s it's intimidation they are discouraging

00:59:35.680 anybody from exiting the overton window from leaving the plantation so to speak because we

00:59:41.000 have a lot to lose if your face is out there yeah you know it's something that's beyond the pale um

00:59:45.880 your life's ruined what's encouraging is you brought up you know douglas mackie for example

00:59:50.080 who was prosecuted for a meme and uh it's okay he had a lot of problems but he's out he's able to

00:59:57.720 um now operate again you know as an individual but he was on the you know front end of that

01:00:03.700 where now anons are getting doxed now and it's still screwing their lives over but it's not like

01:00:08.960 full-blown end of the world like you said and that's kind of encouraging to see is that a the

01:00:15.060 left just kind of lost their fastball a little bit but b the right understand you got to rally

01:00:19.320 around these people.

01:00:19.960 You can't pearl clutch over a few bad tweets.

01:00:23.120 You just have to get behind these people and back them,

01:00:25.200 and I think that's vital because the left's going to continue

01:00:27.980 to think that these are scandalous.

01:00:29.120 The left thinks that if you're opposed to gay marriage, 0.85

01:00:31.180 that's scandalous, and that's dirt that they have on you.

01:00:33.880 So, you know, keep in mind they're losing their fastball,

01:00:36.000 especially as the culture.

01:00:37.240 I wouldn't say the Overton is moving to the right.

01:00:38.700 I would say it's expanding.

01:00:40.180 The susceptible discourse is just expanding.

01:00:42.540 I think that's what's going on here.

01:00:43.400 You think the Overton window overall is just broadening

01:00:46.840 as opposed to shifting?

01:00:49.320 Yeah, because I know people like to think this wasn't the case, but I do think the people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, that would have been scandalous maybe 10, maybe not 10, but 20 years ago, I would say.

01:01:00.420 I think people on the left would have viewed that as very disturbing 20 years ago, where now it's fair to say half of them were dismissive of the fact that, yes, there were people on your side celebrating it.

01:01:15.440 I think that indicates the window's expanding.

01:01:18.220 We're also on the right. We are able, once again, to express ideas that would have gotten you kicked off of a sort of podcast five years ago.

01:01:25.020 Now they're in this policy. Yeah. I mean, just the idea of of deporting people as as mundane and and milquetoast as that idea is deporting people that are here illegally.

01:01:39.340 Right. Like that should be like baseline obvious. That's something that Democrats were all in favor of, you know, 20 years ago. 0.99

01:01:48.220 And there's video record of, you know, Hillary Clinton saying that, Barack Obama saying that if you're here illegally, you have to go.

01:01:56.400 And then for a time, those ideas became, you know, they became beyond the pale.

01:02:01.580 They became off limits.

01:02:03.020 And to the extent that when Donald Trump first started talking about deporting people in 2015, when he was on the campaign trail the first time, people were incensed.

01:02:13.900 They were like, how could he say this?

01:02:15.400 He's a racist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:02:16.940 And I think that the fact that that this is now normal conversation, as well as things that are, I guess, that are even you could say are extreme, like the the people that do not wholeheartedly condemn the the the jokes about Charlie Kirk or people that say things like express an endorsement of the, you know, 0.95

01:02:44.760 attempted uh assassination attempts of of donald trump um that kind of stuff is just brushed away

01:02:51.280 now it's like well you know people on the line online are going to say things um and while it's

01:02:56.460 true there are people that are just going to say things to get people fired up it does affect the

01:03:01.540 broad electorate right like it does make the average person uh feel more comfortable saying

01:03:08.560 things that at some point would be down the pale and and maybe that is a double-edged sword you

01:03:13.220 don't want people endorsing violence and stuff but at the same time to your point um you know

01:03:18.520 putting the national guard into dc at one point was kind of beyond the pale but now you look at

01:03:25.280 the results of putting the national guard into dc and crimes down people can go out and and spend

01:03:30.260 time at national monuments you can walk around at night and it's not nearly as dangerous as it used

01:03:34.940 to be i agree i mean i think without anons we would have had president hillary clinton and

01:03:40.820 And then maybe right now we'd be considering maybe, oh,

01:03:42.860 do we pick Scott Walker or Bobby Jindal for this next Republican?

01:03:46.440 It'd be terrible.

01:03:48.500 All right, Tate.

01:03:49.220 Well, thank you very much.

01:03:50.100 We're going to wrap it up here.

01:03:51.680 Tate, go ahead and tell people where they can find you.

01:03:54.160 Yeah, Phil, thank you very much for holding it down in my absence.

01:03:57.040 I'm very pleased to be here.

01:03:58.300 Yes, you can follow me on X and Instagram at RealTateBrown.

01:04:02.000 I'm starting to dump some of my interview clips from Belfast.

01:04:04.940 I wanted to wait for it to cool down a little bit because everyone is dumping

01:04:07.320 all their content and some quite shocking statements in there.

01:04:10.280 So head on over to my Twitter.

01:04:11.600 You're going to wait until you're not on, 0.89

01:04:13.260 on UK soil.

01:04:14.580 So that way you don't go to jail.

01:04:16.820 Yeah.

01:04:17.300 Yeah.

01:04:17.620 I just saved some of my best takes for,

01:04:19.740 uh,

01:04:19.820 once I kiss the ground at JFK on my way back home.

01:04:22.680 So,

01:04:23.040 uh,

01:04:23.680 with that,

01:04:24.120 thank you very much guys for hanging out.

01:04:25.840 Come give me a follow.

01:04:26.860 Thank you very much,

01:04:27.540 Phil.

01:04:27.940 And Brandon.

01:04:28.780 Brandon.

01:04:30.000 Can't wait to see you when you come back.

01:04:31.580 Uh,

01:04:32.020 thank you guys for watching the show.

01:04:33.620 Uh,

01:04:34.040 I am,

01:04:34.560 uh,

01:04:34.920 Phil that remains on Twix and,

01:04:36.780 uh,

01:04:36.940 you can check out more clips from this show here on

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