The Culture War - Tim Pool - Nigeria's Christian Genocide, Media Ignoring Atrocities w⧸ Judd Saul & Kyle Abst

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00:01:39.660 So today, there's a lot of talk about conflicts in the Middle East that are ongoing,

00:01:47.560 but there's a conflict going on in part of Africa that hasn't been getting the attention

00:01:54.000 that a lot of other places have.

00:01:55.920 In Nigeria, there are a lot of Christians that are dealing with what some people are calling

00:02:00.980 a genocide.

00:02:02.260 And so here today to talk about that, we've got some people that'll dive into it.

00:02:06.660 So Kyle, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself?

00:02:08.560 Sure.

00:02:09.260 I'm Kyle Epps.

00:02:10.240 I'm Executive Director of the International Committee in Nigeria and also a colleague

00:02:14.240 and friend to Judd Saul here.

00:02:15.780 I moved to Nigeria in 1999, raised my family there, left in 2016, and came back with the

00:02:23.200 need to share the voices of Nigerians that are being persecuted and being killed.

00:02:27.440 So I've taken it upon myself to do that for the last 10 years.

00:02:31.020 Awesome.

00:02:31.360 Thanks for joining us.

00:02:32.060 Judd?

00:02:32.920 Hello.

00:02:33.140 I'm Judd Saul, founder and director of Equipping the Persecuted, a boots-on-the-ground mission

00:02:37.720 in Nigeria that actually helps persecuted Christians.

00:02:41.680 And we've been at this for a long time, trying to get word out about what's going on in Nigeria,

00:02:45.920 and we are very grateful to be on the show today.

00:02:48.720 Awesome.

00:02:49.080 Well, thank you guys for joining us.

00:02:50.280 In case you don't know, Carter Banks is here as well.

00:02:52.340 He's going to be pushing the buttons.

00:02:53.460 What's up?

00:02:53.780 I'm pushing the buttons here.

00:02:55.760 But yeah, let's get into it.

00:02:57.140 All right, so for the people that are unfamiliar, because this hasn't gotten a lot of coverage.

00:03:03.300 I mean, if you're an extremely online person, if you're a religious Christian, you might

00:03:08.000 be aware of this kind of stuff, because this kind of stuff would come across your feed,

00:03:12.400 or maybe you've heard about it in your particular church, possibly people asking for donations

00:03:16.820 or whatever.

00:03:17.200 But for the average kind of politically interested person, would you go ahead and kind of give

00:03:24.860 us the background of what's going on and how we've gotten to this point?

00:03:30.100 Yeah, I mean, Nigeria is the most populous African nation with over 220 million people.

00:03:36.120 So by and large, it should be getting focused because there's so much population, but somehow

00:03:40.620 it's not being shared or exposed.

00:03:42.720 Maybe there's something dumbing it down or something.

00:03:44.920 Nigeria, is it similar to most of the other, like most other countries where there's significant

00:03:50.040 population densities in cities, or is it kind of spread out, more tribal kind of thing?

00:03:55.680 Can you give a little bit of-

00:03:56.620 It is spread out.

00:03:57.300 I mean, cities is where the money is, where you get a job.

00:03:59.740 But then people are, it's 50% agricultural, so a lot of people have farms.

00:04:03.260 So there's a lot of people in the village areas.

00:04:05.240 But it was developed or designed by the European powers, you know, after the First World War,

00:04:10.920 they kind of put these borders, absorbed over 500 different ethnic groups.

00:04:15.540 So there's a lot of, you know, tension already because the Muslims came from the north. 0.99

00:04:20.160 They came from the Middle East along the Sahel Desert.

00:04:22.800 And then they indoctrinated and converted people there while the Christians came in from the 1.00

00:04:27.460 south, from the ocean, slave trade and all that stuff.

00:04:29.880 So the history is already ripe with contention because of the different ethnic groups.

00:04:34.960 But it's taken on a whole different dimension when they started killing the Fulanese who 1.00

00:04:40.080 declared a jihad in 1804 and designed a caliphate in parts of what is northern Nigeria now.

00:04:46.960 And with that sort of remnant in their minds, they continue to use that. 0.55

00:04:50.340 And there's a radical group of Fulani militant extremist Islamic who are trying to kill Christians 0.94

00:04:55.260 and just displace them and convert the whole of Nigeria into an Islamic republic. 0.99

00:05:01.840 Okay.

00:05:02.380 So the location of Nigeria, it's not actually, well, no, Africa's huge.

00:05:06.820 And you look at a regular map that you're familiar with on, you know, from school or whatever,

00:05:13.120 and Africa kind of doesn't get the credit that it's due for the size of the land mass.

00:05:19.120 Like it's the only, the only, it's the biggest continent that, except for Asia, right?

00:05:23.900 It's the second biggest continent, I believe it is.

00:05:26.980 And Nigeria is kind of in the middle of it and kind of, it's a landlocked country, right?

00:05:31.240 No, it's on the ocean.

00:05:32.120 Oh, is it on the ocean?

00:05:32.920 Okay.

00:05:34.200 So where were the people that were coming up from the south, the Christians and stuff?

00:05:40.700 They are descendants of like the Dutch, or who were the people that actually colonized the south

00:05:48.380 that actually started bringing the Christian faith into Africa?

00:05:53.580 Portuguese was first, and then the British was the main colony.

00:05:56.580 So it was a British colony.

00:05:58.240 Yeah.

00:05:58.340 Okay.

00:05:58.900 Yeah.

00:06:00.160 So at this point, there's the violence you said has been going on for...

00:06:06.080 At least 20 years, but longer.

00:06:07.880 Okay.

00:06:08.140 But 20 years is really, it's taken this religious turn.

00:06:12.260 Okay.

00:06:13.740 So who were the groups involved?

00:06:15.820 You said the Fulani tribes?

00:06:18.680 Yeah, the primary driving force of the killing of Christians in Nigeria is the Fulani tribe. 1.00

00:06:24.860 They're a radical Islamist tribe that practice a Saudi Arabian... 0.92

00:06:32.180 So they're Sunnis?

00:06:32.740 These Saudi Arabian Sunni form of Islam, that is the same ideology of ISIS, that is the same ideology of Boko Haram. 0.59

00:06:40.260 And they have declared that Nigeria is theirs for the taking. 0.98

00:06:45.100 And Allah has given them Nigeria so they feel that they can do whatever they want to grab that land. 1.00

00:06:51.760 And so they've just been running unimpeded for the last 20 years.

00:06:56.280 I call it death by a thousand attacks.

00:06:58.800 So it's not like a giant army going in and taking over major cities, but over systematically over time, they move in.

00:07:07.660 They're not indigenous to Nigeria, but they move in, they grow the population, they gain political power.

00:07:14.840 Once they have the political power, then the killing starts.

00:07:17.100 And then once they have the political cover in these northern states, then they start going after more land and more villages and start doing the killing.

00:07:28.400 And this is why hardly anybody talks about it, because they have the political cover, even within the Nigerian government, to go do these killings and run around on just killing unimpeded. 0.62

00:07:39.960 So Fulani's are nomadic herdsmen. 1.00

00:07:41.840 That's their occupation.

00:07:43.560 That's their job.

00:07:43.960 So you often see them with herds of cattle, and that's where they make their money.

00:07:48.240 And they're actually stretched from Senegal all the way through Central Africa, some say even to South Sudan, into Sudan.

00:07:53.940 So that people are very nomadic.

00:07:56.200 And when he says they're not indigenous to Nigeria, it means they will not – if you speak to a Fulani in Senegal, where are you from?

00:08:03.360 They'll say, I'm Fulani.

00:08:04.500 I'm from everywhere, right?

00:08:06.040 I'm not Nigerian.

00:08:06.800 They don't have Nigerian passports.

00:08:08.520 They have no form of identity, the nomadic ones. 1.00

00:08:11.680 Some have settled since the 1800s in cities and set up in politics, as Judd said.

00:08:17.860 But so they're – in 1804, the Fulani Jihad was declared, and they wiped out – or they tried to wipe out all the non – the infidels, anyone who didn't want to convert to their belief of Islam. 0.76

00:08:31.140 And that's where it kind of got bad.

00:08:32.420 But there are – to be fair, there are Fulani who are Christians.

00:08:36.360 They became – they have dreams and visions.

00:08:38.760 It's not because a missionary or some Western person converts them.

00:08:42.180 That's a misnomer.

00:08:43.180 It's somehow they come to know who Jesus was through a vision, something.

00:08:47.680 And they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, because if they tell anyone in their family that they've converted to Christianity, they'll be killed.

00:08:54.040 But at the same time, they've got to cover that and make sure they don't expose themselves.

00:08:57.860 So it's hard.

00:08:59.500 Okay.

00:08:59.900 So why don't you guys go ahead and give a little more backstory on – you said that the – it was the – what, the 1907 Jihad is what they say?

00:09:09.940 1804.

00:09:10.420 Oh, 1804 Jihad. 0.91

00:09:11.540 So this has been going on for 200 years.

00:09:15.660 Can you give a little – can you give a little of the history for that?

00:09:18.280 Is it that they declared a caliphate, they said, and then they were – essentially decided that it was time to engage in jihad, engage in holy war.

00:09:28.780 How is it that they – how have they been trying to carry out the jihad, and why has it kicked up in the past 20 years?

00:09:36.380 Or has it kicked up in the past 20 years?

00:09:37.800 Is it just that the information gets out more readily because of the internet?

00:09:43.220 I don't imagine that there's a lot of people – or that 20 years ago there were a lot of people with internet-capable phones.

00:09:49.700 That's something that came in the past 10 years if it is out there.

00:09:53.900 Because I know that Facebook was doing a lot to try and bring the internet to people in Africa, and they were spending a lot of money, and they were giving out phones and building infrastructure.

00:10:03.580 And in the phones, they had Facebook built in.

00:10:05.540 That was one of the things that Facebook is famous for doing is like spreading Facebook by spreading the internet.

00:10:13.960 And so that makes sense that the information would get out in the past 10 years, but this is something that's been going on.

00:10:18.760 So can you give me a little bit of backstory about the actual history of the jihad?

00:10:23.060 I'll do the backstory, then you take it to modern day.

00:10:25.020 Yeah, sure.

00:10:25.460 So the history – so there's different kingdoms that were set up all throughout West Africa, right?

00:10:30.460 But then the – 1804, a Fulani named Uthman dan Fodio declared jihad because he thought all the Muslims that were there weren't worshipping the way they should.

00:10:39.960 So he slaughtered, killed people that wouldn't go about the way he wanted to set up the emirates, different locations with different emirates.

00:10:48.400 And the emir has to be a Fulani. 0.96

00:10:51.420 And those exist to this day, the emir of Sokoto, Sultan of Tokoto, there's the Kano.

00:10:56.560 There's different places where these emirs live or they rule, and they have to be Fulani. 1.00

00:11:01.720 And so that backstory, that history still remains to this day.

00:11:05.800 Fast forward to Nigeria independence.

00:11:08.280 We celebrated October 1st, 1960.

00:11:11.320 The British came in late 1800s.

00:11:15.400 They were just taking slaves.

00:11:16.660 They were taking the resources and then exporting them.

00:11:19.200 But they worked with the tribal groups to try to rule by exemption.

00:11:24.820 They weren't there in the country, or they were there, but they ruled through these leaders.

00:11:29.160 And the Fulani had that sort of central system, the emir, the sultan.

00:11:33.800 So they figured out, let's use them to rule and to take this further into the south. 0.95

00:11:39.340 And then that's how, to this day, we'll talk, Judd will talk more about that, how it became today.

00:11:43.900 But to this day, Fulani's are in power strategically to rule. 1.00

00:11:48.720 And they've, 36 states in Nigeria, 12 of them are allowed to practice Sharia law, which is against the Constitution.

00:11:56.080 You're not supposed to have an opposing political belief, but they're allowed 12 states because those are in the...

00:12:02.360 Is the Nigerian Constitution similar to the United States, or is it...

00:12:05.960 Patterned after it.

00:12:06.640 Patterned after it, okay.

00:12:07.360 They started with the parliamentary system in 1960, but then by three years later, they decided to become a Republican, copy the U.S. Constitution.

00:12:15.180 So the three houses of government, yeah.

00:12:17.480 Okay.

00:12:17.840 Yeah, so continue to what's going on now, is 9-11, 2001, in Nigeria, they executed a major, major attack, killing over 1,000 Christians in one swoop.

00:12:34.700 And that was kind of their mark in the sand, that the jihad is starting again.

00:12:38.940 And ever since then, so we say over the last 20 years, they have been actively moving and systematically been restarted the jihad and conquering territory.

00:12:50.160 There was a...

00:12:50.780 During the British, there was peace. 0.75

00:12:53.300 There was really peace amongst all the tribes, because they kind of kept order.

00:12:57.520 But go to 9-11, 2001, 1,000 Christians get killed, and then systematically moving in. 0.94

00:13:05.120 So that was right after 9-11, but was it like on the same day?

00:13:07.480 Oh, really? So they did it? They did it in conjunction?

00:13:09.700 The exact same day in conjunction.

00:13:11.340 And that's another thing no one talks about.

00:13:13.920 Major attack happened, 1,000 Christians died in Nigeria, got no attention whatsoever, no notice.

00:13:18.640 But ever since then, they have elevated and continue their jihad and continue to get more political power.

00:13:26.180 And now we're to the point where the last three presidents of Nigeria have been Muslims, and the vice presidents...

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00:14:02.040 I've also been Muslims. Muslim, Muslim tickets.

00:14:05.320 And...

00:14:05.520 Isn't Nigeria a Muslim-majority country now? 1.00

00:14:08.320 No, it was, but no, it's still Christian-majority.

00:14:11.020 Okay.

00:14:11.680 You could ask people, they say, oh, it's 50-50. That's just a general thing.

00:14:15.040 But if you ask Christians, they'll say they're actually more Christians than Muslims.

00:14:18.240 So it's actually majority, but the last three election cycles have been Muslim-Muslim tickets, and that has allowed, I say, political cover for these terrorists to run around the country unimpeded with AK-47s and all sorts of other military-style weapons going around and doing killing, while Nigeria's a country that banned guns. 0.83

00:14:40.460 Okay.

00:14:40.800 Yeah, to have a gun in Nigeria, you have to register, and typically it's for hunting. 0.96

00:14:46.220 If you use it on a human, even if you're defending your house, someone's coming in, you shoot them, you could go to jail.

00:14:52.420 So it's...

00:14:53.140 I mean, there are states in the United States where that's the case.

00:14:56.160 You know, if you're in New Jersey or Massachusetts or Illinois or any other, there's probably seven or eight different states where that's the case, but...

00:15:03.740 Yeah, but for some reason, terrorists, a band of motorcycles with AK-47s and RPGs just blow by the police and the military throughout Nigeria, and they let them go right on by.

00:15:14.060 Why is that?

00:15:15.260 It's typical of leftist governments, to be honest with you, but go ahead.

00:15:17.860 Yeah, it's...

00:15:19.140 There's a lot of reasons as to why, and we can go into the corruption talk later about how a lot of Nigerian government officials are on the take.

00:15:26.880 They're being paid off, and some of them are even profiting off of the activities of the terrorists through their kidnapping, the extortion, the stealing of lands, and the jizya they're having, making the farmers pay in the communities.

00:15:39.360 It's corrupt from the top down, but many of these, there are politicians that are on the take and profiting off of this.

00:15:46.340 So, like, that's kind of something that Alexander Solzhenitsyn was talking about in the Soviet Union.

00:15:52.320 He mentioned or he discussed how if a criminal, someone that was, you know, living outside of the rules, not trying to obey the law and stuff, if he was caught with a knife or with a weapon, they would say, well, you know, he doesn't know any better, and this is just his nature, so we have to forgive him and forget and et cetera.

00:16:14.380 Whereas if a normal person that's trying to live within the rules is caught with a weapon, well, you know, you should have known better, and they'll throw the book at you.

00:16:22.880 Is there a lot of leftist policy that's being implemented in Nigeria, or is this kind of just emergent where people that don't have a Western sensibility kind of just behave that way?

00:16:42.940 Well, I mean, so it's set up, oil is their biggest export, so they have billions of dollars in oil.

00:16:49.720 The money for the states and local governments is given by the federal government.

00:16:53.240 So the federal government gives us, blocks them all the money to the state, to the districts, to the wards, so it trickles down.

00:16:59.760 So if you're disobeying or you're doing something that doesn't please the federal government, i.e. the president or in his administration, you could be, your money could be withheld.

00:17:08.440 So there's many things like that that happen.

00:17:10.940 At the same time, as Job was saying, that there's people that need extra money, so they confide or they turn a blind eye to these attacks and things happen.

00:17:20.060 So are they getting paid cash?

00:17:22.200 We don't know, but there's increasing evidence that there's some people connected with these terrorists and militants.

00:17:29.420 Okay. So if the terrorists or if these Muslim groups, the Islamic radicals, are attacking the Christians and they have no way to fight back, what do you guys think is the prescription here?

00:17:45.340 Do you think that there's – if the government is actually protecting the people that are attacking, do you think that there's any kind of political solution or is it something where the people that are being attacked, they're going to have to defend themselves?

00:18:00.520 And if they're going to have to defend themselves, like what means – because you said there are gun laws there and you can't have guns.

00:18:07.540 And so what do you think that the way for these people to move forward is?

00:18:13.360 So I'll do the first one on the terrorists.

00:18:15.740 So the terrorists, Boko Haram, I swap up in the northeast, Borno, that's being handled by the army, by the military, of the government.

00:18:23.200 And to say they're doing a good job, maybe, I don't know, but they're at least stopping spread.

00:18:27.480 But they're not – they haven't defeated them.

00:18:29.840 They claim to defeat them five, ten years ago, but they haven't.

00:18:32.100 So they're continually doing stuff with and against them with the aid of India, with Pakistan, with the U.S. money for military weapons to help combat these.

00:18:41.640 But oftentimes they get overrun and those weapons get stolen and who knows where they end up.

00:18:45.580 Well, I guess we kind of know where they end up.

00:18:47.540 So then the terrorists are the one, the I swap, the Boko Haram, but then the Fulani militants is a different one. 0.83

00:18:54.680 So let me just tell you how – explain how things work in Nigeria.

00:19:03.460 You know, the terrorists a lot of times get their weapons, and we got this documented and through testimony, they actually rent their weapons from the military for 24 hours.

00:19:17.940 So there's bad actors in the military and police where they will rent weapons from the police and military for a 24-hour attack and then give the weapons back the day after the attack.

00:19:29.420 Some groups in certain parts are well-funded.

00:19:34.500 They get – they call it sophisticated weapons in Nigeria, but they're getting brand new AK-47s, new Russian-based AK-47s, and that money is coming up from the north.

00:19:46.240 So the Fulani terrorists do coincide and work with ISIS, and they do work with Boko Haram, but they're kind of the – I refer to them as the Viet Cong-style force. 0.70

00:19:58.740 You have the North Vietnamese Army, which is well-funded, orchestrated, everything going on.

00:20:02.620 Well, then you have the Viet Cong, which are the renegade boots on the ground. 0.99

00:20:07.080 They're given marching orders, and they are executing the jihad in the middle belt while all the attention, all the money is being focused on up north. 0.54

00:20:20.440 Now, these current politicians and people in power could not be in place without the support of these terror-controlled – these territories controlled by terrorists.

00:20:35.020 They couldn't be in power.

00:20:37.160 Are they getting outside money as well, or is this just something that's coming out of the government?

00:20:41.000 No, no.

00:20:41.240 We believe that they are getting outside money.

00:20:44.300 They're getting outside money from up north, from the Middle East, from places like Turkey, Saudi Arabia.

00:20:50.580 There is funding that is going on.

00:20:52.720 In fact, we know that there are – several of these terror leaders are getting paid trips to Saudi Arabia for their pilgrimage and pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.

00:21:04.900 We have pilgrimages to Mecca.

00:21:05.820 You have to go to Mecca. 1.00

00:21:06.920 Mecca, and they're being funded by folks up in Saudi Arabia and in the Middle East.

00:21:12.860 We know that these leaders are doing that.

00:21:15.520 And so there's definite collusion.

00:21:17.700 And you asked about how the – is leftist politics involved?

00:21:23.600 Well, we know that the far left across the world, far left governments have been supporting the current president and the previous presidents that have been allowing the killing of Christians, including Democrat operatives from the United States.

00:21:41.800 Obama operatives, David Axelrod and company, have been in Nigeria the last three presidential election cycles, helping Muslim candidates win offices over Christian candidates.

00:21:54.540 So there is a collusion of the far left working within the Nigerian government and getting bad actors elected.

00:22:05.820 And you have this sort of narrative that goes out.

00:22:09.480 The terrorists are there.

00:22:10.820 Let's defeat them.

00:22:11.900 Terror is bad, right?

00:22:13.180 But this middle belt one, this middle area of Fulani extremists, militants, we can't say that because that's – you're denigrating the whole population of Fulanis.

00:22:22.740 And we don't want to do that either.

00:22:23.980 We know some good Fulanis, but they're militant. 1.00

00:22:26.880 Some of them are very militant, and the good ones can't expose.

00:22:30.100 They can't help, and they can't do anything to stop it because they'll be killed themselves.

00:22:34.660 So they're turning a blind eye, what have you.

00:22:37.080 But the narrative that goes out in the U.S. and around the world is it's a farmer-herder, it's an ethnic clash.

00:22:42.380 That's why you don't hear about – what sounds better, ethnic clash, farmer-herder, or Christian genocide?

00:22:47.400 Sure, sure, yeah.

00:22:48.380 Well, I mean the idea of a Christian genocide is there are a lot of people in the West that are just allergic to that concept because they feel like it's a – they feel like any kind of acknowledgement of that is going to be helping their political opponents in the U.S.

00:23:06.480 I mean, you can bring this up from Al Jazeera here.

00:23:10.020 Bill Maher has said there is no Christian genocide in Nigeria.

00:23:13.760 No, Al Jazeera is saying this.

00:23:15.480 Bill Maher says there's a systematically killing of Christians in Nigeria, so they're countering his –

00:23:20.680 Oh, okay, okay.

00:23:21.380 No, Bill Maher, there is no Christian genocide in Nigeria.

00:23:23.620 So Al Jazeera is running cover for essentially what's going on in Nigeria.

00:23:31.140 From Al Jazeera, in recent days, coordinated attacks on Nigeria's nationhood have swept across social media, blogs, and television outlets, alleging a so-called Christian genocide.

00:23:40.700 These attacks, driven by foreign actors, mischaracterize Nigeria's domestic conflicts, ignore its complexities, and manipulate longstanding ethnic and resource-based tension to advance sectarian agendas.

00:23:51.320 I mean, this doesn't seem like it's particularly surprising from Al Jazeera, considering where it's based and the people that fund it.

00:24:01.540 But is it not an issue for the – that Christians should be focused on, or is it something that – you know, is it something that they could actually convince people it's just tribalism and it has nothing to do with their Christianity?

00:24:25.280 This particular guy that wrote this article is from the office of vice president of Nigeria.

00:24:31.820 Now, the vice president of Nigeria has been very well affiliated with bad actors for a very, very long time, and he's got quite the reputation in Nigeria of being affiliated with the bad guys.

00:24:43.420 Now, why is there spin, and why does a spin hit the U.S.?

00:24:47.520 Al Jazeera is one of those publications to blame for this.

00:24:50.940 It's because – I'll just give you a prime example.

00:24:54.000 For example, in June, Father's Day this year, 280 Christians were killed.

00:25:01.820 They were – half of them were burned alive, and the ones that weren't burned alive were trying to escape or hacked to death with machetes.

00:25:07.960 Children, women, men, elderly.

00:25:10.940 Yeah.

00:25:12.420 I mean, it's just a slaughter.

00:25:13.460 Whoever could get away was slaughtered.

00:25:15.220 Okay?

00:25:19.140 Al Jazeera comes out, and they lie about the numbers.

00:25:22.540 They say 100 were killed, and they call it tribal clashes, farmer-herda clashes.

00:25:29.660 Well, the fact of the matter is, is that –

00:25:31.980 When they talk about it like that, do they get into the motivation?

00:25:34.960 No.

00:25:35.360 They never get into the motivation.

00:25:36.880 It's just a clash.

00:25:37.980 Yeah.

00:25:38.180 It's just a clash.

00:25:39.560 Regional.

00:25:40.220 So here's what happens with the news in Nigeria, okay?

00:25:43.320 And this is kind of different for Westerners to understand this.

00:25:47.300 If a major event happens, the government calls for the press conference.

00:25:54.140 The government pays the journalists to show up to cover the press conference.

00:25:59.800 If the government does not call for a press conference, the event never happened.

00:26:05.440 But the journalists who are getting paid to cover press conference have to repeat exactly what the government said.

00:26:12.680 Now, you guys had said that the constitution in Nigeria is modeled after Western constitutions.

00:26:20.740 Yeah.

00:26:20.940 They don't have – so far, we've kind of established that there's no protection for individual right to self-defense,

00:26:27.640 and there's no protection for the freedom of the press or freedom of religion or freedom of speech.

00:26:33.180 Other than that, it's all good, right?

00:26:34.480 Yeah, right.

00:26:35.280 So by the time the information gets out and it goes to the AP, when it gets to the AP, it's all filtered through Al Jazeera.

00:26:44.620 And the AP just accepts the narrative that's being sent out.

00:26:47.940 They don't have their own – I mean, obviously, there's –

00:26:50.520 Occasionally, they do.

00:26:51.560 But even worse still is the data that's compiled that the U.S. government looks at, ACLED, A-C-L-E-D, that if you go to that website, they do a good job.

00:26:59.800 They try, but they're just culling the internet, just going through it.

00:27:02.960 They've got a program they write.

00:27:04.880 They get this – oh, they don't say Fulani militants killed.

00:27:07.700 They say, oh, it's a farmer-herder clash.

00:27:09.360 We'll go to those – or unknown gunmen.

00:27:10.720 That's the other one.

00:27:11.340 Unknown gunmen.

00:27:11.960 Unknown gunmen.

00:27:12.620 Let's just call them unknown.

00:27:13.500 Well, we know exactly who they are.

00:27:14.660 We call the village, find someone there.

00:27:16.460 They know exactly who it is, and they're trying to say it, but they get stopped.

00:27:19.480 So this whole – this data system that you see reported is incorrect because all the information being fed by the so-called journalists in Nigeria aren't reporting accurately.

00:27:28.920 Right, and the final filter goes through Al Jazeera, which then goes to the AP.

00:27:34.300 Okay.

00:27:34.780 And so a reason why you don't hear anything, especially coming out of mainstream press, is, one, the Nigerian government does not hold a press conference.

00:27:43.240 It didn't happen.

00:27:44.100 And the only time they hold a press conference on something is when there's more than 100 people that were killed.

00:27:49.240 You don't hear about the 10 people, the 20 people, the 30 people in the killings.

00:27:53.720 The 30 people in the killings never, never hits mainstream media unless it's over 100.

00:27:58.020 Okay.

00:27:58.960 And that's – and that is where the bodies are piling up and communities are destroyed.

00:28:05.780 And then what no one talks about is after we hear about the killings is after killings, well, you have survivors that lived in these communities.

00:28:13.440 A village of 10,000, a village of 5,000.

00:28:15.840 And all these people are now removed from their homes, and they have to live in camps.

00:28:21.140 And so currently, right now, there's 3.5 million Christians that are living in squalor, in awful camps, and have been removed from their communities.

00:28:32.700 Not that I'm some kind of pro-UN guy, but the UN has nothing to say about this.

00:28:37.100 They're there, but they're where the terrorists are, right?

00:28:39.320 So everyone focuses on the terrorists because that's a bad word.

00:28:41.660 Right.

00:28:42.000 We want to stop the spread of Islamic terrorism. 1.00

00:28:44.020 Great.

00:28:44.260 No one's looking at the middle – the Fulani militants action because, again, it's their own problem. 0.98

00:28:50.680 Let the government take care of it.

00:28:52.440 So because they're the Fulani militants, because they're not officially associated with either Boko Haram or ISIS or what have you,

00:29:00.440 they don't get any attention and no pushback from the UN or from international organizations, and there's no –

00:29:06.600 And they don't get help.

00:29:07.640 Yeah.

00:29:08.520 Oh, you're talking about the –

00:29:09.780 IDPs.

00:29:10.580 The people, the 3.5 million in this place, they don't get help.

00:29:13.240 They don't get aid.

00:29:13.840 And there's no press coverage.

00:29:16.800 There's no independent journalists that are down there trying to get the word out.

00:29:19.540 And is it safe for journalists to go there?

00:29:22.780 Can they go there and expect to not get killed by the Fulanis? 1.00

00:29:25.740 So two years ago, we created a website called truthnigeria.com to give outlets to citizen journalists in Nigeria.

00:29:32.960 We have 15 troublemaking journalists that risk their lives every day to document these things,

00:29:38.660 and that is the only outlet right now of truth getting out about what's going on in Nigeria is through truthnigeria.com.

00:29:45.760 And we've had our reporters beat.

00:29:50.280 They've been detained by the government.

00:29:51.840 They've had death threats by the government.

00:29:53.540 They have to go undercover.

00:29:55.160 They have to live in a few different locations.

00:29:59.720 But we are the only ones who've given them an outlet to actually say what's going on.

00:30:04.140 Otherwise, none of the information is getting out.

00:30:06.300 And it's not anti-government.

00:30:07.860 It's not anti-Muslim.

00:30:10.080 It's the truth.

00:30:11.020 It's just truth.

00:30:11.620 It's just documenting what's going on.

00:30:14.020 Okay.

00:30:14.540 And so the Nigerian government doesn't want this to get out because it makes the—because, well, they're aligned with the Fulanis apparently, right?

00:30:22.020 They believe—they're at the very least, they're sympathetic to the Fulanis' perspective.

00:30:27.580 And so they're not getting any kind of help internationally.

00:30:32.040 There's no press coverage.

00:30:34.300 So how many organizations such as yours are actually trying to get information out?

00:30:40.480 And do—how effective is it?

00:30:43.820 Obviously, you know, you said you live there.

00:30:47.340 You know, what kind of resources do the organizations that are currently there that are trying to get information out, what kind of resources do they have?

00:30:55.860 And what is the best means to help them in your estimation?

00:31:00.500 I'll start with my ideally situation, and you cover up the emergency.

00:31:03.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:04.480 Ideally, we want to be there just to encourage them, whatever they need, help with farming, you know, sustainable agriculture, education, medical.

00:31:14.160 Just giving them a hand up, not a handout, right?

00:31:17.260 Helping them encourage them.

00:31:18.400 But because of the crisis, because of all the killings, you can't do that.

00:31:21.940 You're more or less responding in the emergency situation.

00:31:24.980 I mean, do they need to send Green Berets in to teach the Christians how to fight? 0.99

00:31:30.240 Like, time to get CIA involved or something, you know?

00:31:33.720 We pray for intervention, but what resources are going on?

00:31:37.240 There's not very many organizations doing what we do.

00:31:42.020 And those of us that are in the fight are underfunded, don't have the resources, because it's all private donations.

00:31:50.520 We get our organization, EquippingThePersecuted.org, gets no government funding.

00:31:54.940 The other local missionaries that are out there that we team up with don't get any big funding.

00:32:00.880 And this is a fight we've been in for several years.

00:32:03.380 That's why we're all kind of shocked that, you know, thank you for bringing us on again to talk about this,

00:32:08.240 because we've been at this for years, trying to get the truth out.

00:32:12.000 And so we're very underfunded, and the government funding, like UNICEF and the U.N., they're expending resources up at the north,

00:32:24.560 and the resources that come in from the U.N. and came in from UNICEF end up in terrorist hands.

00:32:29.640 It never gets to the people that are really suffering and need it.

00:32:32.400 That's typical.

00:32:33.080 I mean, you hear the same kind of argument when it's dealing with—whether it's—you go way back to the 90s when Adid was in Somalia.

00:32:39.640 He would get all the aid from the U.N.

00:32:41.840 It would never make it to the Somalian people.

00:32:43.700 You hear the same narrative when it comes to Gaza, that Hamas takes all of the aid and controls who does and does not get it.

00:32:51.740 So they use it as a tool to keep the people in line.

00:32:55.120 And so that's something that's fairly typical of these type of regimes,

00:33:00.900 where the government is actually supposed to be processing the aid and handing it out to the people that need it.

00:33:09.540 But really what they end up doing is holding on to it and enriching themselves.

00:33:12.580 And it hurts the economy.

00:33:14.180 So USAID, when they pulled the funding, yes, it did hurt some people that knew their HIV, AIDS, medication, whatever.

00:33:20.140 That was a sad reality.

00:33:22.080 But those getting food assistance and that kind of something, they were rejoicing because the price of—

00:33:27.060 take, for instance, where the terrorists are.

00:33:28.420 They were bringing in food that was being confiscated, sold off at a profit, higher margins than they could in other parts of Nigeria.

00:33:35.100 As soon as that was stopped, the price came down.

00:33:38.080 And people were like, this is great.

00:33:39.760 So it's market forces at work.

00:33:41.460 Yeah.

00:33:41.700 That's actually—it's good to hear that because, you know, you hear about all of the—you hear from the left people that are—

00:33:47.100 that wanted USAID to stay in business and stay, you know, continue to do the things they're doing.

00:33:53.180 You hear about the, oh, well, you know, they're not—they're going to be so many people that are going to die and et cetera, et cetera.

00:33:57.140 But you don't—you don't very often hear, oh, well, you know, actually prices came down in this place because, you know, there's no longer market manipulation by the food aid getting sold on the private market.

00:34:10.620 Yeah.

00:34:10.780 Instead of delivering aid and giving it to the hungry people that need it, they're just taking and selling it off.

00:34:15.160 Sure.

00:34:15.580 And, you know, magically, these aid trucks would just happen to break down right in front of terror camps.

00:34:20.960 Shocking.

00:34:21.700 And the food would be gone, and then they could get back in the trucks and move it in.

00:34:25.540 Oh, get the truck out of the way that way, yeah.

00:34:26.860 It was just too heavy, you know, to get to get offloaded so that way you could actually go.

00:34:31.860 I'll sum up USAID and UNICEF in one story.

00:34:37.600 So we've been working with this IDP camp in Benway for a long time, and we've spent lots of funds getting them out of garbage bag tents and putting them into living structures that they could live in. 0.81

00:34:49.240 And we went back to check on the camp and see how things were going, brought medicine, did a medical intervention.

00:34:54.100 And I look over, and I see four giant garbage cans slapped with USAID and UNICEF stickers on them.

00:35:05.080 I'm going, what in the world?

00:35:06.780 Well, you got to understand, in Nigeria and especially these camps, there's just trash everywhere.

00:35:10.700 Yeah.

00:35:10.780 There's no sanitation system.

00:35:12.600 There's no dumps.

00:35:13.880 There's no garbage trucks.

00:35:15.480 Trash is just everywhere.

00:35:17.760 And I look at these four giant garbage cans full of trash sitting around trash.

00:35:23.720 And I go to the camp.

00:35:24.760 I said, did USAID come by and bring these by?

00:35:28.020 They're like, yeah.

00:35:28.580 I said, did they bring any food?

00:35:29.840 They're like, no.

00:35:30.320 I said, did they, do they come back and like help pick up the trash or haul it away?

00:35:37.640 They're like, no.

00:35:40.120 So their magical gift to a camp of 5,000 people living in, that was living in garbage bag tents was four garbage cans.

00:35:49.920 That was, that was our USAID contribution and a slap in the face to these people that are starving and dying of disease.

00:35:58.260 And they give them garbage cans and that was it.

00:36:01.360 And then one other story.

00:36:03.340 Another, another NGO, a UN group came in and they built them a latrine.

00:36:10.380 The latrine filled up.

00:36:12.200 They gave them no option to haul out the waste.

00:36:17.340 So they have a giant latrine filled with waste and no mechanism to empty the waste.

00:36:24.460 That's, that's, that's not very.

00:36:26.720 That's, that's our, that's our government dollars at work.

00:36:29.800 Well, I mean, that's, this is just an argument against USAID.

00:36:34.180 I'm like, generally I'm, I'm of the opinion that aid tends to hurt more than it actually helps.

00:36:39.360 Because like you were talking about the, the people, the people that are in charge.

00:36:43.580 Which, in most places in the world nowadays, particularly in 2025, most places that are, that are, you know, really poverty stricken.

00:36:51.360 It's not that there is not the capacity to get out of poverty.

00:36:55.300 It's that they are kept in poverty by the government.

00:36:58.300 Do you have bad policy?

00:37:01.280 I mean, the people themselves are completely capable of engaging in markets and, and producing their own food.

00:37:07.540 It's, it's not that they, they lack the ability to do that because humans have been doing things like that for thousands of years.

00:37:14.700 But, uh, it's the, the, the, you know, generally it's the, the governments that prevent those kinds of things.

00:37:22.580 These people were farmers.

00:37:23.700 These people had homes. 0.74

00:37:26.100 They, they were happy doing their farming, but it wasn't until these Islamic terrorists came in, ripped them away from their tribal lands, their ancestral lands, and shove them in camps. 0.99

00:37:37.140 And they have nowhere to go. 0.96

00:37:38.240 They have no way to produce anything because of these terrorists.

00:37:41.900 Yeah, Nigeria is not like a desert.

00:37:44.240 It's, it's, it's the, uh, the, the more, the lush part of, or one of the, it's sub-Saharan is one of the more lush parts of that.

00:37:49.620 It's, it's rich.

00:37:51.020 It's rich in agricultural, rich in natural resources. 1.00

00:37:54.820 If you could just get rid of the corruption, if you could get rid of the stupid Islamic terrorists that are going around killing people and destroying everything they touch, 1.00

00:38:07.480 Nigeria would be the place to go to in Africa. 1.00

00:38:13.200 It would be a great tourist destination, be a great place to invest, great place for economy.

00:38:18.020 Um, and speaking of which, there are people capitalizing off of this terrorism and off of these things.

00:38:23.320 And that's the Chinese. 0.98

00:38:26.060 Go on.

00:38:26.680 The Chinese have been moving in and they call it illegal mining.

00:38:32.760 All right.

00:38:33.360 So the, the, it's illegal mining, but they're going in and they're mining out natural resources in the Islamic controlled areas of Nigeria. 0.94

00:38:41.000 And let's say there's more land that becomes available.

00:38:45.800 Christians are kicked off their land and they're sitting on minerals. 1.00

00:38:49.360 China's coming in doing mining. 0.96

00:38:50.740 They don't care what all the killing or what's happening around them.

00:38:53.260 As long as China gets to do their mining.

00:38:55.700 And so there are foreign government interests that are capitalizing on this as well.

00:39:00.000 China's in like pretty much every African country. 0.93

00:39:02.400 Yeah.

00:39:02.740 If they, the belt road, whatever that started with.

00:39:05.580 Yeah.

00:39:06.020 But they, they, they don't come with any sort of democracy, any human rights.

00:39:09.820 So they just, whatever happens, whatever's under the table, let me come in.

00:39:13.560 I'll, I'll, I'll build a road for you.

00:39:15.660 Yeah, sure.

00:39:16.200 Then just let me have this land over here. 0.99

00:39:18.040 And they hire locals to do it.

00:39:19.840 Mines are collapsing all the time.

00:39:21.720 You know, here's stories of this stuff.

00:39:22.700 Gold mine just collapsed, I think the other day.

00:39:24.540 So it's like, these things are happening and they just, when they get their truck loaded

00:39:28.000 up, find a port, they built a port in Lagos, a deep sea port, which is great for shipping

00:39:35.100 vessels, but also military vessels.

00:39:36.860 Yeah.

00:39:36.980 So how is China, you know, allowed to do this? 0.77

00:39:39.600 They just cut these crazy deals.

00:39:41.940 And then Russia is also throughout West Africa.

00:39:44.020 They're in Mali, Niger, Burkina Faso.

00:39:46.060 So, you know, you get the whole gamut of communism coming in.

00:39:49.480 Yeah.

00:39:50.200 And, and, and our inaction as a United States government in foreign policy, I mean, during

00:39:55.440 the Biden years, the operating directive was LGBTQ, feminism, women's empowerment had 0.67

00:40:04.860 nothing to do with.

00:40:05.940 These that are only going to alienate the, the, the Americans from whatever, whatever culture

00:40:11.860 they're trying to actually help.

00:40:13.320 Well, allegedly trying to help.

00:40:14.840 So, so that was the operating directive from, from our U.S. embassy.

00:40:18.580 So they're focused on all this stuff while there's killing, there's terrorism, China 0.96

00:40:23.500 and Russia are taking over Africa and the United States foreign policy was social issues.

00:40:29.040 Yep.

00:40:29.900 And they're often chasing China.

00:40:31.280 So anytime Chinese diplomats, government come over to Africa, Nigeria, they're, they're

00:40:36.800 two weeks behind.

00:40:37.680 They've already made their, China's made their deals.

00:40:39.480 Now America shows up and what are you going to do?

00:40:41.560 Well, China's offered us this, you know, can you beat that?

00:40:44.420 And they can't, you know, cause they want to tie it in with human rights and all this

00:40:47.880 other stuff.

00:40:48.420 Yeah.

00:40:48.640 The, the U S is, is this is, this goes back to a, an argument that, that is often made

00:40:54.460 about whether or not the United States should have, um, political influence in other countries.

00:40:59.660 And, and while it does produce situations like we had where there was so much BS going on,

00:41:10.580 right? 0.99

00:41:10.860 Look with your, with your LGBTQIA kind of garbage being forced on cultures that, that just flat 1.00

00:41:18.040 out reject that, uh, alienating the, the Americans from whatever the local population thinks or 0.99

00:41:24.560 whether it be any other, um, you know, ideologically motivated stuff that's in, in significant conflict

00:41:30.980 with what tend to be religious, you know, religious, uh, tribal, whether it be tribes or, or religious

00:41:36.900 cultures, um, is it better for the United States to step back?

00:41:42.300 Now there's a lot of people that when they hear America first, they think that the U S shouldn't

00:41:47.120 worry about the rest of the world.

00:41:48.380 And whereas I'm, um, the kind of America first kind of dude that thinks, well, the United States

00:41:53.960 is not alone and it's better for the United States to be able to influence countries than

00:42:00.340 to not like influence in, in ways that are, that benefit the United States.

00:42:05.820 And I think that allowing, um, allowing countries like China and like Russia to go in and not

00:42:14.600 actually do anything that helps the, the, the host countries, um, I think it's probably

00:42:20.840 worse for the United States because the United States gets nothing out of it except for countries 0.77

00:42:25.260 that are hostile to the United States.

00:42:27.880 Well, and then you have, we have to look at this way is that there is vast, untapped natural

00:42:34.100 resources, minerals, you name it in Africa.

00:42:37.780 Um, if United States does not have a hand in that, it will hurt the United States in the

00:42:41.980 future.

00:42:42.380 Well, someone's going to.

00:42:43.080 So if we sit back and we don't engage with other countries and policy in other countries,

00:42:49.820 um, you're those people that are, I say, uh, America first isolationists, they are advocating

00:42:57.080 for the same foreign policy our adversaries want.

00:43:01.060 If you take the U S out of the equation, China and Russia become more powerful. 0.83

00:43:05.180 And if China and Russia becomes more powerful, United States loses its influence and we become

00:43:09.880 weak.

00:43:10.220 Yeah.

00:43:10.740 So, and I look, putting America first, it means you do things that benefit America.

00:43:18.360 That doesn't mean that you step away from the rest of the world because that puts America

00:43:23.080 in a weaker position.

00:43:24.200 That's what Rubio's policy is safer, stronger, prosperous.

00:43:27.220 Yeah.

00:43:27.460 How do you do that in Nigeria?

00:43:28.860 There's many ways, you know, you're not just focusing on America.

00:43:32.040 He's not, that's not his intent.

00:43:33.160 His intent is how does this make America safer getting involved in Nigeria?

00:43:36.940 How does it make America stronger?

00:43:38.740 Figuring out things in Nigeria, how does it make it more prosperous?

00:43:41.380 Those are things that have to be.

00:43:42.660 It's not, I, I, I'll be the first person to say that it's not America first to leave

00:43:47.200 tons of weapons in Afghanistan.

00:43:48.840 That's, that's not good, a good thing for the United States, but cutting deals that allow

00:43:54.580 American companies to, to produce, uh, to get, you know, minerals or to get, uh, um, natural

00:44:01.720 resources out of, of an African country, as opposed to, you know, in a way that is going

00:44:08.100 to actually produce profit for the people of that country, as opposed to allowing China 0.89

00:44:14.900 or Russia to go in and acquire these, uh, modern day colonial.

00:44:19.460 Absolutely.

00:44:19.940 Absolutely.

00:44:20.460 So, and, and the, the, the Chinese and the Russian companies, I mean, the Nigerians hate, 0.99

00:44:26.880 hate working for them because they get treated like garbage. 0.99

00:44:31.640 They get treated like indentured servants. 0.98

00:44:33.800 If they end up working for the Chinese and Russian companies, American business comes in

00:44:38.920 with principle, with values, that it benefits the country, it benefits us.

00:44:46.380 And we see that if, if we move into a country and, um, we're doing business, we believe that

00:44:52.880 prosperity for all makes everybody better.

00:44:54.720 Yeah.

00:44:54.840 And I, I, I want to, on that note, I want to put a pin on that because there's going to

00:44:58.600 be a lot of people that are going to hear that and they're going to think, oh, well,

00:45:01.480 you know, when we had, uh, USAID, we were sharing American values and they're like, we talked

00:45:07.960 about their, they're sharing the LGBTQ ideology and, and they're sharing, sharing a lot of

00:45:13.000 progressive ideas that aren't just, uh, foreign to these, these countries that are, are oftentimes

00:45:20.060 their, their cultures based in their religion, but they're also foreign to the United States.

00:45:24.260 These are, these are things that, that the United States doesn't agree on, right?

00:45:27.740 Like these, these ideas, like the idea that men can become women, that, that, that goes

00:45:32.480 hand in hand with the LGBTQ ID, uh, you know, stuff like that.

00:45:35.500 Um, that, that's not something that the American people agree on.

00:45:39.280 In fact, that's, that's another 80, 20 issue.

00:45:41.980 Americans don't think by and large that you can change your gender or I don't even like

00:45:47.220 the term gender.

00:45:47.800 I think gender is just a made up word to, to, to allow for these ideas to be spread.

00:45:51.640 Um, and I can assure you that 99.9999999999% of Nigerians would agree.

00:45:56.860 Yeah.

00:45:57.360 Yeah.

00:45:58.320 You try to, so you put a pile of money on the table and you start talking about equality and

00:46:04.020 DEI things.

00:46:05.740 Yep.

00:46:06.280 Mm-hmm.

00:46:06.760 All they're looking at is that money.

00:46:08.020 Cause they know USAID has money.

00:46:09.640 Mm-hmm.

00:46:09.800 You know, donors, EU, whoever has money, whatever you want, we'll do it.

00:46:13.080 Whatever report you want us to write, we know how to write it.

00:46:15.140 Just give it, keep that money coming.

00:46:16.680 Keep that tap open.

00:46:17.680 Yeah.

00:46:17.800 So it's funding dog and pony shows.

00:46:21.260 And, uh, but.

00:46:23.320 So preventing that stuff is, is like largely on the United States side.

00:46:27.080 Yes.

00:46:27.540 Yeah.

00:46:27.740 You know, I mean, granted, I'm, I'm extremely happy that the, that USAID has been shut down.

00:46:33.320 I'm glad that the Trump administration is doing all the things that it's doing to prevent

00:46:38.000 the, the, the exporting of, of ideas that are even foreign to the U S right there.

00:46:44.520 They're not ideas that the United States by and large, the American people agree with.

00:46:49.000 Um, so then how do you provide support or how do you like what, if you were to sit down

00:46:57.820 with Marco Rubio, what would you want him to, to say about Nigeria that in a, what, what

00:47:04.840 way would you, you want to hear the United States help in Nigeria?

00:47:10.680 I would say there is a lot of business to be done in Nigeria and I think it could be a

00:47:16.080 win-win situation for the United States, broker mineral rights deals with the Nigerian 0.99

00:47:21.680 government, but also predicate a major investment into Nigeria on the safety and security of

00:47:27.140 the people say we'll invest X amount of dollars, but you guys, and we'll help you along the

00:47:33.160 way, get rid of the security issue, get rid of this terrorism nonsense.

00:47:37.140 So we can see Nigeria be a prosperous nation.

00:47:40.140 Will a Muslim government do that? 0.98

00:47:41.380 Or do they need to add, will the, will the, the, will a Christian need to win the election 0.78

00:47:47.480 and become the president and vice president?

00:47:49.140 Can they do that?

00:47:50.280 We would, we would, I would prefer, I would prefer better leadership, but I say we can

00:47:56.260 get, I say the United States can give Nigeria an offer.

00:47:58.780 It can't refuse.

00:48:00.980 And end this violence and this nonsense.

00:48:04.000 And there is a win-win scenario.

00:48:06.200 Uh, we've done the numbers.

00:48:07.140 We looked at it on paper and we have been, we have been giving the, uh, administration

00:48:12.420 this information and how to look at Nigeria.

00:48:15.040 But the first things first is the U S government needs to identify who the enemy is, who the

00:48:21.840 terrorists actually are.

00:48:22.880 It's not just Boko Haram and ISIS. 0.99

00:48:24.820 It's the Fulani militants, the radical Islamist Fulani that are killing all the Christians. 0.99

00:48:31.540 Attention keeps being diverted away. 0.97

00:48:33.040 So we have to identify who the bad guys are before we can get success.

00:48:37.380 Well, is it something, is it practical to think that the people that are telling the

00:48:41.600 story about what's going on in Nigeria, is it practical to think that they can actually

00:48:45.820 manage to spin a narrative that, that will identify the Fulani that are bad without, you

00:48:55.100 know, without, without making everyone think that the Fulani by and large are bad because

00:49:00.780 the reason I, well, the reason I ask is because Americans are familiar with the name Boko Haram.

00:49:06.460 Americans are familiar with the name ISIS.

00:49:08.180 Those two groups, yeah, Al Qaeda, these things are easy for Americans to understand.

00:49:13.020 And if you're going to try and convince the Americans that this is something that they

00:49:16.480 should care about, just saying Fulani, which is a name most, I've, I'd never heard the Fulani,

00:49:21.560 the name Fulani before today.

00:49:23.540 Most Americans are going to say, well, who are they?

00:49:26.360 Right.

00:49:26.920 And, and then you're going to say, well, it's a tribal thing.

00:49:28.760 And then the, then they're going to go back to, oh, then it's just tribal clashes.

00:49:31.960 So how do you, how do you fix that?

00:49:33.200 So, so we, we refer to them as the Fulani ethnic militia.

00:49:37.780 Yeah.

00:49:38.260 We can't classify all Fulani people is the wrong term.

00:49:42.060 Yeah.

00:49:42.400 Fulani ethnic militia.

00:49:44.540 Okay.

00:49:45.060 That's what, that's what we're calling them.

00:49:46.680 That's what they're called.

00:49:47.380 So they're the Fulani ethnic militia.

00:49:49.240 That separates the, those Fulani from the good Fulani, um, because these are the militants, 1.00

00:49:55.740 they're the militia.

00:49:56.560 And the thing is the Nigerian government knows who the leaders are.

00:50:00.140 They know the command structure.

00:50:01.800 They know how it operates.

00:50:02.900 We know the command structure and who the leaders are and how it operates.

00:50:06.600 Okay.

00:50:07.600 And there is clearly identifiable, you know, where the headquarters is, they know where they

00:50:12.000 meet.

00:50:12.260 This could easily be dealt with, with willpower and done very quickly.

00:50:19.240 Okay.

00:50:19.580 So on that point, I'm going to go to this, uh, this bit from Newsweek card, if you're

00:50:23.620 going to bring this up, uh, the, from Newsweek, Trump administration, deeply concerned by

00:50:28.060 violence against Christians in Nigeria.

00:50:32.940 The state department has told Newsweek that it is deeply concerned about the levels of

00:50:37.040 violence against Christians and members of other groups in Nigeria.

00:50:40.240 It comes after American comedian Bill Maher brought attention to the high number of

00:50:43.800 Christians being killed by Islamic militant groups, such as Boko Haram in parts of Nigeria.

00:50:47.740 The country is generally pushed back against narratives that Christians are being systematically

00:50:52.020 killed in a genocide attempt, as Maher described it, with Nigeria's foreign, Nigeria's ministry

00:50:57.620 of foreign affairs saying in March that the terrorism in the country is not driven by religious

00:51:02.220 bias nor targeted against any particular religious groups.

00:51:05.560 Now, this is, this is the, the existing government, which you guys are saying is run essentially by

00:51:11.100 the, the Muslims, which are in at least sympathetic to the, the Milani.

00:51:16.060 You're complicit, right? If you're not stopping it, you're complicit.

00:51:18.620 Sure, sure.

00:51:19.060 Let me give you a story. 2018, then President Buhari came to the Rose Garden, had discussion

00:51:23.840 with Trump, a girl named Leah.

00:51:25.660 2018, you said?

00:51:26.440 2018, so he was president, two terms, so he lasted eight years. He came, a girl named Leah

00:51:31.940 Sharib who was kidnapped a month, two months before. This has been going on by terrorists,

00:51:36.940 taking girls, forcefully converting them. It was terrible, it was tragic. He confronts Buhari

00:51:41.120 and says, what are you doing to Christians? I hear there's one girl still captive. You

00:51:44.940 need to free her. Why, why, why, why are they killing Christians? I was on my way to Nigeria 0.78

00:51:49.100 when that speech was being made. I was in a governor's office and he says, all hell's

00:51:53.240 breaking this. I said, what's going on? He said, your president said something yesterday

00:51:56.360 and all the generals, all the government is showing, trying to save face. They're trying

00:52:00.340 to respond to this. Same thing happened. So that was the Fulani is also helping with the 0.92

00:52:04.780 terrorists. Things started to happen. When Trump said something, the world, the Nigeria responded. 0.98

00:52:10.120 Well, this particular piece that I was watching in, or that I was reading from in Newsweek,

00:52:13.620 that was, this was October 1st. That was two or three days ago. Do you, do you get the

00:52:17.420 sense or do you add to any of your contacts in, in Nigeria? Did they, have they noticed

00:52:21.440 this? I think Bill Marsh started it. I think this, you know, there's Senator Cruz has introduced

00:52:28.700 legislation and then Congressman Chris Smith has done that as well. So when people say things,

00:52:34.300 they're ecstatic because of the voice. Well, we both know that no legislation is going

00:52:37.360 through Congress, right? Like it's just not going to happen. Like, I mean, it might get

00:52:40.740 through the house, but it's definitely not going to get through the Senate because the

00:52:43.580 Senate, they just don't have the votes for Republicans and anything that the Democrats

00:52:47.060 can do to stymie the Republicans. That's what we're focusing on Trump. Yeah. That's why we're,

00:52:50.800 that's why we're trying to get to Trump and the Trump administration. Look, even Trump saying

00:52:55.240 a few words changed the scope for a while in Nigeria and you saw the killings shrink and drop

00:53:02.540 down. Does your organization have any contact with people at state? Yes. Yeah. Okay. I just came

00:53:07.820 back from DC. I've been meeting with the state department. Okay. And, and, you know, providing

00:53:11.960 them information about what's going on. The problem is, is like I said, for the last four years

00:53:16.200 the U.S. Embassy had an operating directive focusing on stupid social issues. Sure. And I met 0.99

00:53:23.300 with the U.S. Embassy in Abuja. They had no idea what's going on outside their doors in Abuja.

00:53:28.460 They didn't know about the killing. They can't leave the grounds. They can't leave the grounds.

00:53:31.140 They can't go anywhere. The Nigerian staff can go out, but the American staff, but the information 1.00

00:53:36.700 that they get about what's happening in Nigeria is coming from the Nigerian government. Yeah. So

00:53:40.460 they, whatever they're selling, they're buying a hundred percent, you know, whatever the Nigerian 0.83

00:53:43.960 government's telling them, the U.S. Embassy was one, a congressman, a senator going. Are they still

00:53:48.520 currently? We don't know. Well, we're, things have been shaken up. Has there been new staff put into

00:53:53.820 place? Like, I mean, it's on its way in. Okay. It's on its way in. So we're hoping that we build new

00:53:59.380 relationships with them and we can actually inform them on what's going on. Like I said,

00:54:04.100 Truth Nigeria, our reporters on the ground, whenever there's attack, our guys are on the

00:54:07.660 ground interviewing people, eyewitnesses. Now for Newsweek and for people saying, well,

00:54:12.880 it's not religiously motivated. It's not religiously motivated. It's a lie from the pit of hell

00:54:18.460 that has been spread by Islamists and Islamic countries all over the world ever since its inception. 0.74

00:54:24.860 It's not religiously motivated. We're nice people. Let us in. The thousands of Christians

00:54:30.180 are being killed. There are over 20,000 churches have been attacked or destroyed. How many mosques?

00:54:34.920 Yeah. I mean, look. How many mosques? Yeah. No mosques have been destroyed. A few, but not by Christians.

00:54:38.180 You guys are probably familiar with Christopher Hitchens, passed away of cancer a couple of years

00:54:42.600 back. And he had a saying that Islam has bloody borders. And it generally, you know, any place 0.92

00:54:49.320 where a sufficiently large population of Muslims comes in contact with people that have a different

00:54:57.240 religion or a different culture, there tends to be clashes and fights and violence. So that's not

00:55:03.200 really particularly surprising. So it comes in three forms. It comes with cultural jihad. We move in,

00:55:08.840 populate. And every village, every village tells me the same story. The survivors of these attacks,

00:55:15.620 every single time tells me the same story. They're like, we had neighbors. We lived with,

00:55:21.160 lived next to them for 30 years. Fulani. We lived with the Fulani for 30 years. Our children played 1.00

00:55:25.800 together. We did business together. Everything was fine until the one day, the one day they just

00:55:32.500 weren't in town that one day. And then an hour later, boom. Militants killed. Okay. So essentially

00:55:37.560 they're, they're, they're, they're informing the Fulani. Yes. Or they're providing cover or they're 0.98

00:55:42.060 providing cover or partaking in the attacks themselves. Well, yeah. Every village, every

00:55:48.560 attack says the same story. And when they come in, they shout Allahu Akbar. They're going after

00:55:58.240 the churches. They, they go after the churches first. They desecrate the churches and burn the

00:56:02.060 churches. And they go after the pastors. They behead the pastors. They kill the pastors.

00:56:07.000 It is religious because this is how Islam has conquered every nation since its inception, 1.00

00:56:13.020 since 640 AD is how it is conquered. And there are more moderate Muslims that have, uh, you know, 0.97

00:56:21.800 um, leaving that kind of ideology, but the ideology that is with the Fulani ethnic militia

00:56:28.340 is the same Islam that has conquered and believes in killing anybody that gets in their way that 1.00

00:56:34.000 doesn't agree with them. And it's right. So you're saying, oh, there's Muslims being killed 0.90

00:56:38.120 too. Yeah. Right. Because they're non-Fulani Muslims. That's why they're being killed. 1.00

00:56:41.800 But not the same level, but there's there an, is there a difference between, are they Sunni

00:56:46.640 Muslims? Because I, I've Sunni Salaf is that, that's what they are, right? The Fulani, the 1.00

00:56:50.960 Fulani that are doing the killing are Sunni. So the Muslims that end up getting killed by them, 1.00

00:56:54.380 they're Sunni as well. There's a small group of Shias and they're based in one area. They're 0.76

00:56:58.960 being attacked by the government, but also could be the Fulani too. That's great for them. Yeah. 1.00

00:57:03.660 But it, but it's, that is cultural because they're not, you're not, you're not of the

00:57:07.340 pure blood of Fulani. So you're not a true Muslim unless you do this or we don't even care about 1.00

00:57:11.820 you. We'll get rid of you. You're not part of our emirate. You know, you're a slave because 1.00

00:57:15.040 that's what the emirate did. In 1804, they took on more, almost as many slaves as the British

00:57:20.020 were exporting out of Africa. So they had just as many slaves across their kingdoms. So,

00:57:26.780 yeah. So, and it still exists. Slavery still exists in Nigeria, in, in where, where, where

00:57:32.520 the Islam is. Yeah. So I want to talk about another issue that had, that needs to be brought

00:57:37.420 up is we have the killings. You have the displaced, the 3.5 million displaced, but we have a major

00:57:43.320 kidnap problem going on in Nigeria where right now, right now we know of over 1000 Christians

00:57:50.660 that are currently being held hostage or being beaten and starved to death. And they're trying

00:57:54.920 to be ransomed out. This is just one area we know of. Now, here's the thing. The Nigerian 1.00

00:57:59.560 government knows where these people are. We know where the, where the hostage camps are.

00:58:05.260 Nothing's being done to rescue these people. And we know that there's multiple camps like this

00:58:09.760 in other states, but what I know of for sure is a thousand Christians are being held captive

00:58:14.680 right now, being beaten and starved to death. And people that are trying to pay the ransom

00:58:20.320 are going bankrupt, having to sell everything they own just to get their people out. And

00:58:25.040 if ransom isn't paid, they're getting shot.

00:58:28.480 They take a phone, they kidnap people, students, children, women, and they film them being beaten,

00:58:34.340 pay money now, or this is going to continue. And that's how they, so they're sending messages,

00:58:38.520 recording it. So you get the cell data, you can get all that information. It's not,

00:58:41.880 it's not rock science. You do satellites or drones. Yeah. Find where they are.

00:58:45.600 They happen to be all Christian. Because they pay. They pay. Christians don't want to see this. 1.00

00:58:50.120 They pay up. Muslims won't pay if they get kidnapped. Really? 0.99

00:58:53.160 Well, they're martyred, so. So they know, you know. Okay. Opportunity. Yeah. So I'm just,

00:59:01.740 I'm kind of still at a loss for, for what the actual, you know, save for covert operations,

00:59:08.420 by state, which, I mean, that might be something that the, that state department's entertaining.

00:59:14.100 But there's not a significant appetite for that in the U.S. nowadays. You know, like,

00:59:17.860 especially after, you know, with, with Trump going in and into getting into office again and saying

00:59:24.120 that, that we're going to focus on the United States. I mean, you can see it in the chat.

00:59:26.800 There's a lot of people that are saying, well, they don't see how this is America's problem.

00:59:30.220 Right. So there are some people that are like, well, they're Christians there. And a lot of,

00:59:33.520 a lot of America, America first people tend to be religious. So they're like, well,

00:59:37.120 you know, maybe because they're Christians, but there's a lot of people that are America first

00:59:40.340 that are like, I don't see how this is an American problem. I don't see how this is,

00:59:43.660 this is something that we have to worry about. We have, have our own problems here, which,

00:59:48.060 you know, I agree in principle, the, the idea that the United States should be looking after

00:59:54.000 itself first. And then they, they bring up the, the actual monetary costs. But anytime anyone brings

01:00:00.480 up the monetary costs, I'm like, look, man, if you're not talking about, about Medicare and Medicaid

01:00:04.860 and social security, you're not talking about fixing any problem at all. All of the, I'm,

01:00:09.660 I'm against, um, like we were talking about it earlier, this earlier in the show, I'm against

01:00:14.720 foreign aid because it tends to actually, um, distort markets and it, it, it prevents countries

01:00:21.080 from taking care of themselves. So I'm against foreign aid in principle. Um, but if they stop,

01:00:26.160 if the U S stops all foreign aid to all other countries, it's not going to fix our deficit.

01:00:30.160 It's not going to fix our monetary issues. So two things, one, Nigerians are here in America 1.00

01:00:35.660 already. They've been born here. They've, some have immigrated here as they're Nigerian born.

01:00:39.620 There's over a million Nigerians for in Texas, in Atlanta. They say Atlanta is the second biggest

01:00:44.980 Nigerian city, right? And, and if you talk to Nigerians that are in the United States,

01:00:49.020 they tend to be extremely industrious. They tend to, to be, um, be very successful in, in opening

01:00:55.280 businesses and stuff. So, so the, the idea that, that, um, if there are Nigerians that are coming

01:01:00.800 to the U S that they're coming to, to get onto some kind of social support, I think that that's

01:01:04.380 actually, you know, they want to work. They don't, they don't. Nigerians, when they move to America, 1.00

01:01:10.220 they make, uh, like 15% more per capita than the average white person because they're, they're so

01:01:15.600 industrious and they are hardworking people. So they're not coming in here trying to get on the

01:01:20.820 on the system. They, they want to hustle and they want to make a good living. The second thing I was

01:01:25.820 going to say is that you, you have this radicalized young Muslim who wants to change, bring about change 0.57

01:01:33.860 for their full on E for terrorism, whatever they get, they get trained. They end up sneaking across

01:01:39.660 the desert, going into Europe. Some of I've ever watched these shows, this guy travels the border and

01:01:46.280 he sees ID cards and pass what people leave behind is crossing the border illegally. Yeah.

01:01:51.280 Yeah. Nigerians are already there. So you can't tell me that this won't, that this is not affect

01:01:56.640 Americans because they're coming in either for a hand up maybe, but maybe something worse. So how 0.96

01:02:01.920 do we stop that? You know, we joke we have is that this could be solved in six months, no money,

01:02:06.700 maybe the flight ticket, maybe some jet fuel, you know, Masad Boulus is a Nigerian Lebanese guy.

01:02:11.720 His son, Michael is married to who? Tiffany Trump. He knows Nigeria. Send him over. We'll show him who 0.61

01:02:19.720 the real Nigerians are. Talk to them, bring them to the government and say, how do we solve this in

01:02:24.420 six months? Let's make a deal. So do you think that it is something that could, that just, you know,

01:02:31.960 just the right people going in and talking could? Because it's my, I mean, from what I've been hearing

01:02:37.340 in this conversation, the problem is at a government of Nigeria level. I mean, I understand

01:02:42.660 that Donald Trump does have, you know, if Trump says, okay, we're going to do this or Trump points,

01:02:46.780 you know, if you get the eye of Sauron, which is the United States government, you get the eye of

01:02:50.760 Sauron on you, on you, people tend to, to make, make changes in their policy. Um, but is that something

01:02:56.660 that the, that is, would only be changes to save face and they wouldn't be substantive changes?

01:03:03.080 No, there would be substantive changes. Um, we've seen it, we've seen it work before.

01:03:09.140 All we, like I said, all we need is willpower and a very, very little

01:03:13.160 acknowledgement from the Trump administration. And if there's some resources, a tiny, tiny drop

01:03:19.820 in the bucket would change Nigeria overnight. Okay. So, so what is it that you have got the, 0.88

01:03:27.260 you said you've been to, to state and, and, and you're talking to people at state. Um, are they

01:03:31.980 making any kind of commitments or are they just giving you lip service or what's the,

01:03:35.380 what's going on in, in DC for this? Well, they're, they're fact finding, uh, the state

01:03:40.520 department's been upended. A lot of people have been fired from the state department, uh, department,

01:03:44.560 things have been consolidated. The entire infrastructure, the state department has been

01:03:49.540 totally, uh, totally changed. And so you think the situation is their way we're, we're kind

01:03:56.620 of waiting for a state to kind of get its feet back underneath it after all of the, the changes

01:04:01.440 from, from the government. Yeah. So that, that's, what's been happening. So I've been

01:04:05.000 meeting with state over the last several months. Now we're to a point where they got their footing.

01:04:09.640 They have their directives. They know what they're looking to do and they're, and they're looking

01:04:13.020 for information, real information, um, uh, about what's happening. And they're taking us very,

01:04:19.340 very seriously. And, um, there is a win-win scenario. U S could invest in Nigeria in return for

01:04:26.980 mineral rights and research resources to get a return on their investment back predicated on

01:04:32.240 the security of the country that, and that way there's no money being lost and it's a gain for

01:04:39.320 our country. I mean, simply just having them showing them and saying, heck, as Americans,

01:04:45.500 we're not coming in to solve your problem. We're coming in here to, to say what the world is saying.

01:04:49.580 So here's what's going on. Here's what you need to do to change. How can you stop this corruption,

01:04:54.480 remove some of these political corrupt people? How do you help your own people? Reinvest some of

01:04:59.860 that money. Some, some, some politicians have properties all over the world. Some people are

01:05:04.520 just exposed, extorting money from, from EU, from the U S. How do we stop that? These are the,

01:05:11.640 you need to show us this, this, and this do it yourself. How do you do it yourself? Do it. You

01:05:15.940 know, it's not, it's not that you need to show a billion dollars. We don't need that. We've had that

01:05:20.280 for almost 20 years going into Nigeria. It's done nothing. So it can be stopped. 0.99

01:05:24.740 Which is, I mean, like this, that's exactly why I say that, you know, the, the problem isn't actually

01:05:30.380 about funding or anything, or, or I think that the, the, the idea of aid is miss, you know,

01:05:37.820 aid is generally misallocated. And I think the ideas behind aid are, are erroneous. Like you don't

01:05:43.720 actually produce, you very rarely get the results you want when you send money and food aid and stuff.

01:05:49.600 You, you end up making a client nation or a client population. Dependency. Yeah. Dependency.

01:05:54.520 Well, the, the, the biggest problem is, is that when the aid would come through, they're

01:05:59.200 working with government officials. Yeah. That's problem. Number one, even if it's a

01:06:04.040 non-government organization, they'll register something as a nonprofit and then, yeah. But

01:06:07.920 that's, that's, that isn't that kind of always, what other, what other means of delivery

01:06:13.380 is there? If the government is in charge, right? Ostensibly. And the government is

01:06:17.960 corrupt than providing any aid is just providing support to the people that are oppressing the

01:06:24.260 people in, in Nigeria. Well, in our case at equipping the persecuted, um, we're privately

01:06:30.160 funded, but when we go in with aid, we don't work with government officials. We go in, we vet,

01:06:35.520 we identify the people that need it and go through a whole vetting process and we get them the aid they

01:06:39.260 need. And we assess the situation. So because we don't work with government officials, when aid's

01:06:45.340 delivered, we deliver it effectively and make sure the people that need it, get it.

01:06:49.380 And he doesn't want to do that. I don't want to go to Nigeria and help people that are persecuted.

01:06:53.300 I want to help people get a hand up. I want to help people have sustainable agriculture,

01:06:57.360 work with their livestock, just get a better education. I don't want to do things for them.

01:07:01.760 I don't want to provide things. I want to see them do it, but just give them, maybe try this,

01:07:05.740 maybe try that. Maybe tell me what would work, you know, how do we help you?

01:07:09.420 And the best thing we do is get these people back to their land, back to their farms, back to their 1.00

01:07:14.600 land. So they're displaced. They can't, they can't, they're often in some neighbor's place or to

01:07:18.600 school or not. There's not like refugee, are there refugee camps, but they're not, they don't get

01:07:24.520 refugee, uh, refugee camp material and things from the U.N. That's the terrorists. The terrorist camp 1.00

01:07:30.440 have those U.N. places. There's several up there. Well funded. They have the nice tents. They get the

01:07:35.540 infrastructure. The persecuted Christians are getting nothing. So the, the, the Fulani militants 1.00

01:07:43.340 are looked at as refugees. No, no, no, no. They're nomadic. So they're coming around and

01:07:48.960 they're driving people off their land. So they go to a Christian village where there's Christians 1.00

01:07:53.420 living and they're farming. So they're living here, they farm there. So they're living and farming in

01:07:57.480 their area. They come in, they drive them out. No longer can they go back to the farm or they can,

01:08:02.260 they risk it. A lot of times they end up being killed or the Fulani come and cut. Like right 1.00

01:08:05.700 now it's, it's a harvest season. So they're going and cutting down crops. Corn that's

01:08:10.060 growing, maize that's growing up is being chopped down so they can't use it. You know, it's not

01:08:14.080 fully reached fruition. So they're cutting it down. So they're, they're destroying their

01:08:18.060 farms. They're destroying their farms. Destroying it just because they're there. They don't want

01:08:21.520 them to have success. They don't want to have them be sustainable. So I'm, I'm still, I'm still

01:08:28.340 not quite sure like what it is that the, the, the solution or what the United States

01:08:34.420 can do. And when I say can do, I'm not just talking about like what the U S is capable

01:08:39.760 of doing because I mean, look, look, if the U S wanted to, the U S could go in and take

01:08:43.020 the government out and take over and make it a state if they wanted to. But I'm talking

01:08:46.820 about like, what is something that the, the American people are going to have the stomach

01:08:51.340 for? And if, if the, the, the American people aren't going to have enough of a stomach to 0.89

01:08:58.260 do what's necessary to actually help, how do you convince them? Because a lot of, a lot

01:09:02.820 of, you know, what I'm hearing is look, you know, the U S can do it. Well, we live in a

01:09:07.900 world where America generally doesn't have an appetite for, you know, for, for military

01:09:14.960 adventurism. Right. And, and I think that you could probably convince most Americans, look,

01:09:20.200 if we're sending some green berets in to teach the, the, you know, teach the, the people that

01:09:25.560 are oppressed, how to fight, they might be able to do that, but it doesn't sound like

01:09:28.660 the Christians have any kind of organized resistance. You said yourself, they don't even

01:09:32.480 have guns. So they're, they're not going to be, be able to, to prop up some kind of

01:09:37.760 militia that can fight the Fulani. So I'm, I'm still, I'm still kind of at a, at a loss 0.98

01:09:41.600 as to what to do here. It very well could happen. It very well could happen. Part of our

01:09:46.500 ministry and what we do is we work with village security teams. So that's

01:09:50.180 that's risen in the last five years, vigilante, to come vigilante, which is a bad word for

01:09:53.860 us. It's a local people who are trained by hunters, how to use weapons, how to defend

01:09:58.960 villages, any, any attack, they respond first.

01:10:02.180 And we've been working with village security teams and, and giving them training and giving,

01:10:06.000 and it has been successful at thwarting off attacks and saving a lot of lives, which separates

01:10:12.080 us from other missions. Cause we do get our hands dirty a little bit and working with,

01:10:15.800 uh, working with these guys. And there is a sense, there is a thing. And even a local

01:10:22.400 Christian governors are saying, you know what guys, government's not protecting you. Go

01:10:26.320 defend your own land.

01:10:27.320 Yeah.

01:10:28.180 Go defend your own land.

01:10:29.120 Former leaders have said that too. Christians, you need to defend yourself. 1.00

01:10:32.480 And, um,

01:10:33.480 Nigerians.

01:10:33.920 And so we're doing everything we can on a legal basis. Like we're, we're just, we're

01:10:37.660 a nonprofit. I can't give them weapons, but we can't give them training. We can give,

01:10:42.760 we can show them basic, uh, intelligence gathering methods and measures to prevent and thwart

01:10:49.900 off attacks to save lives. And that's what we've been doing on the ground out there. And

01:10:53.560 so it is very possible. And there is a very motivated group that, uh, uh, if, if they had

01:10:59.040 a leg up. So how do you convince Americans in state department that that's where that's

01:11:05.040 a worthy cause that that's, that's a stopgap that that's, that's because you're not doing

01:11:08.980 anything. The big thing is, is America's the superpower. No one's denied that. Nigerians

01:11:13.820 don't deny that they respect everything America does. When Trump says Nigeria is a shithole, 0.97

01:11:18.520 they said, you're right. It is, you know, we need help, you know? So Europe needs to be 0.96

01:11:23.760 told this is what you can do to help.

01:11:25.800 You're not going to get any help from Europe. I don't believe, I don't buy that.

01:11:28.300 Well, you know what I'm saying? He was in the UN condemning the EU and all that. Britain

01:11:32.080 needs to help you. It's your colony. Fix it. Help us, you know, do something. Instead

01:11:35.860 of doing this, let's do this. So these kinds of things can be taught no money, maybe a plane

01:11:41.140 ticket, maybe jet fuel, just conversations.

01:11:43.500 And by the way, I just want to say this, as far as the EU is concerned, they've come

01:11:46.980 out and said that the killing is occurring because of climate change.

01:11:50.200 That's another one.

01:11:51.040 I'm not kidding. I did not make that up.

01:11:53.200 Thanks EU.

01:11:54.080 Isn't cow manure, isn't that the biggest? 0.53

01:11:55.940 Yeah. All these people are being killed because of climate change.

01:11:58.300 According to the EU. So you can tell you where their mind is.

01:12:02.080 Clowns. Right now. 0.99

01:12:04.220 Even if it was climate change, the Fulani are, they say because of the encroachment, the 1.00

01:12:08.780 arable lands are being pushed south and the Fulani got to come down further. They're still 1.00

01:12:13.480 finding Christians to kill. So if it's climate change, great. But the primary driver- 1.00

01:12:18.300 The Sahara is expanding.

01:12:20.220 Desert. So the north of Nigeria is pretty much desert, rocks and desert. So they say that's

01:12:24.740 growing and encroaching on the arable land. So Fulani who take their cattle down south 1.00

01:12:28.780 during the rainy season to get water and fed and then come back up to sell, they're causing

01:12:33.660 problems.

01:12:34.220 But the ones that are actually doing the fighting and killing, they're nomads. They're not farmers.

01:12:43.340 Exactly.

01:12:44.100 Yeah.

01:12:44.620 They have no passport, no ID. They're just coming in. They've been trying to talk about

01:12:49.920 this for years, since the 60s, grazing routes. They don't want to do that. You don't tell

01:12:55.120 us where to go. We can take our cattle wherever we want. And the Christians are farming and using 1.00

01:13:00.360 land. Of course, there's going to be conflict. But who handles that conflict? Is it the government?

01:13:04.000 Is it the military? Is it a discussion between the Christian and the Muslims? Yeah. Those 1.00

01:13:07.660 kind of things are easily talked about without money. So we can go in as America and say,

01:13:13.720 let's have a sit down. We'll just sit and watch. We'll cheer you on. You guys talk, and we'll

01:13:19.540 chime in when we need it.

01:13:21.200 Okay.

01:13:22.260 But they're not seeing those people. That's what we joke about. The State Department's

01:13:26.360 Blinken. I was in Abuja when Blinken came through. He came through twice. And I saw the list

01:13:31.660 of people he was going to see. None of these people have a skin in the game. They're all

01:13:36.500 people that the U.S. State Department at that time, Biden's time, wanted to see, talk to

01:13:43.380 Blinken. You know, no problem. Yeah, we have a terrorist problem. Terrible. But it's farmer

01:13:48.460 herder. We just need a little bit more money here, a little bit more money there, and we'll 1.00

01:13:51.640 be fine. Right. So yeah, I'm just looking to see what kind of news I can find on what

01:13:59.560 Rubio's actually talking about doing.

01:14:04.360 He hasn't said much. So there is no policy on Nigeria. All the documents that you look

01:14:08.540 at from the State Department from 2023 and 24, that's one thing that we're trying to get

01:14:13.480 the State Department to advise the administration to come up with an actual policy on. They have

01:14:17.800 policies on visas, policies on other things, but there's real no policy on how to be solved

01:14:23.200 in Nigeria. Yeah, because, I mean, everything's been upended at the State Department. So what

01:14:27.980 we've been told is that Trump wanted to fix, look at America issues first, and get all that

01:14:34.420 done and in process. Then we'll start looking at foreign policy and interests. And we're at

01:14:40.640 the point now where they're starting to look at foreign policy and interests. Yeah, so here's

01:14:44.220 a piece. I'm not sure what just mania is, but it says, U.S. Senators call for Nigeria to

01:14:48.860 be redesignated as a country of particular concern. A coalition of Republican senators

01:14:54.560 in the United States has formally requested that Secretary of State Marco Rubio reconsider

01:14:58.800 labeling Nigeria as a country of particular concern under the International Religious Freedoms

01:15:03.720 Act, citing persistent acts of violence and terrorism targeting religious minorities.

01:15:08.600 The senators contend that Christians across Nigeria have been facing ongoing and extensive

01:15:13.600 attacks. According to Sahara reports, the appeal was delivered through a joint letter

01:15:18.380 endorsed by Senators Ted Budd, Josh Hawley, Pete Ricketts, Ted Cruz, and James Lankford.

01:15:24.080 The lawmakers pointed out that Nigeria was previously classified as a CPC by former Secretary of State

01:15:29.300 Mike Pompeo in December 2020 due to serious violations of religious freedom committed largely

01:15:35.620 by non-state actors, including Boko Haram and other terrorist organizations. I know you guys

01:15:40.120 say that this is the, that it's the Fulani, but if you, do you think that in all of this stuff that

01:15:45.700 we've read so far, like all of the official pieces, it's always Boko Haram. That's, that's named.

01:15:49.760 That's all you hear.

01:15:50.380 Is that, is that functionally accurate or is it, is it functionally, is it something that's going to

01:15:57.600 get the, the, the, these types of, of bills or these types of, of designations, get them passed

01:16:05.400 because they are names that the American people and the, and the senators and stuff are, are familiar

01:16:11.800 with? Because again, the name Fulani, I'd never heard that before today.

01:16:15.500 Yeah. So you, so we said genocide at the top of the show, right? So genocide, the definition of

01:16:21.060 genocide is any means or any of the following acts committed and it's intent to destroy in whole

01:16:26.340 or in part, whether you kill one or whether you kill a thousand, that's the start of a genocide,

01:16:30.600 killing group members, causing serious harm, inflicting life conditions to cause destruction,

01:16:34.660 preventing births, forcibly transfer of children. So we say this is a genocide, a targeted campaign

01:16:40.940 against Christians. This is, it's either an ethnic group or a religious group. This is a definite 1.00

01:16:45.280 religious group. So this is a genocide. Let's call it what it is. Let's get this designation back, 0.91

01:16:50.540 at least to make a statement and let's stop the killings. And then let's get the talks.

01:16:54.900 The country of particular concern, it needs more teeth though. It needs more teeth and more like

01:17:01.680 CPC is kind of lip service. In my opinion, it's important to make a statement, but the CPC needs

01:17:09.460 to come with teeth. And, um, but just to explain the, the situation of country of particular concern

01:17:15.360 during Trump's first administration, he designated Nigeria as a country of particular concern.

01:17:20.440 We saw attacks decrease during that time. Biden came into office within the first week.

01:17:28.620 Nigeria was taken off the CPC list. Do you know what the motivation for that was? Yeah. The Nigerian 1.00

01:17:33.040 government said, we weren't, we're working on everything you gave us, these requirements. We did

01:17:36.960 it. Take us off. No problem. That's what they did. And there was no kind of investigation. There's no

01:17:42.080 criteria that needs to be met. It's just the word of the government. No. And then, and then what you see now,

01:17:46.440 again, is an increase in attacks where this on average is about 5,000 a year. Now we're at 7,000

01:17:54.700 Christians killed this year alone in six months since January 1st.

01:17:58.160 Mm-hmm. And you said there's about a hundred thousand in the past 20 years or so? Yeah. I mean,

01:18:03.100 so inadvertently or whatever you want to say, um, uh, indirectly there's over 300,000 have been

01:18:08.920 killed by either by being starved out by injury, by health, whatever. So indirectly it's well over

01:18:15.500 that a hundred thousand by bullet machete burning, burning. Yeah.

01:18:21.240 Okay. So I'm still, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what the policy, you know, cause, cause

01:18:30.760 like I said, the, the solve it today, let's do it. Well, I mean, you know, that's, you know, that's

01:18:34.740 where we're, we're here to, to, you know, enlighten people on what, what the issue is, but also what

01:18:39.380 can be done. And again, my, my thought process is the American people are very focused or at least

01:18:46.520 conservatives, the people that are, that are supportive of the Trump administration, right?

01:18:50.300 Cause the left is going to do the same things that you're talking about. They're going to say,

01:18:53.120 oh no, everything's fine. You know, we, there's no, there's no problem. The Christians are doing 1.00

01:18:59.300 just great. This is all just, uh, um, some kind of BS because the knee jerk reaction, we were talking

01:19:05.060 about this a little bit earlier, the knee jerk reaction from the left, um, is that Christians are

01:19:10.660 essentially not worthy of being protected or being paid attention to. Uh, in fact, they should be

01:19:18.480 attacked. Like Charlie Kirk was just murdered and, and his Christian faith had a lot to do

01:19:23.080 with it. You know, the, the LGBT, you know, groups out there really look at Christians and they believe

01:19:30.660 that they have been persecuted by the Christians. And now is, is the time for the LGBT groups to fight

01:19:37.600 back. So whether it be using lawfare, like the cake issue in, in Colorado, the, the, you know,

01:19:44.480 that got to the Supreme court, the bake the cake bigot, you know, that was an attack on Christians.

01:19:49.120 That wasn't about the, the couple couldn't find a place to actually make the cake. They actually

01:19:55.520 were going around to multiple places, looking for someone to say no. The point was they wanted to make

01:20:01.300 an example of Christians that were trying to, trying to, you know, that were professing their faith and

01:20:06.500 saying, look, my faith doesn't allow me to do this because I don't agree with you. Not that, not that

01:20:11.340 they're looking to go ahead and, and inhibit your life in any way, not that they're looking to go

01:20:15.800 and stop you from being married, but they're specifically looking for someone to say, I have

01:20:21.560 religious convictions, so we should attack you. Right. That, that's, that was the whole point of 1.00

01:20:26.540 that. And now you've seen attacks instead of taking the form of lawfare. Now they're taking the form of

01:20:31.360 actual violence. You get a bunch of people that have the LGBT ideology. They believe that because 1.00

01:20:37.920 Christianity actually does judge, that has a sense of right and wrong that doesn't align with their 0.98

01:20:43.280 own, they believe that they're under attack. So the way that they defend themselves is to attack

01:20:48.360 Christian children in schools, right? There's been multiple, multiple shootings where the shooter was

01:20:54.380 trans and the justification was, well, Christians are hateful. You know, they, they hate me. So I went and 0.99

01:20:59.920 I did this and, and these, these people, these Christians that are, that are the victims of these

01:21:04.720 attacks are in no way doing anything to harm any kind of trans or, or LGBT person at all. Right.

01:21:13.820 They're mostly going after kids. And the same thing was the justification for, for the Charlie Kirk

01:21:19.140 shooting that, well, he's a hateful person. And the only hateful thing they can come up with

01:21:23.100 is he doesn't validate my lived experience. He, he, he makes me feel bad because he says, no,

01:21:30.700 you can't actually change from man to woman or woman to man. If you're born a man, you're going

01:21:35.620 to always be a man. If you're born a woman, you're always going to be a woman. And to actually say 0.99

01:21:40.600 these things is something that the, the specifically the LGBT groups really consider an affront. They

01:21:48.380 consider it an attack on themselves and they, and the more, um, the more loosely connected to reality,

01:21:55.900 people actually think that violence is an acceptable response to this. So that's why the left doesn't

01:22:03.300 want to get involved in helping to defend Christians. That's why, um, you'll hear, you know,

01:22:09.100 any number of leftists just poo-pooing the idea that Christians are being attacked for their

01:22:13.820 Christianity in Nigeria or in the U S they don't want to, they don't want to, you know, say that's 0.92

01:22:20.140 actually what's happening. So you're going to hear, have pushback of, uh, you know, just the idea of

01:22:25.200 helping them because they're Christians. I mean, again, back to Charlie Kirk, there were leftists

01:22:29.980 protesting Charlie Kirk's, uh, funeral. Yeah. How insane is that? I mean, this is, this is, this is so

01:22:38.500 ridiculous to think this, this guy got killed and we're going to go and protest his funeral. That 0.98

01:22:44.980 that's the level of vitriol that Christians are facing now. And again, I'm, I'm an agnostic guy,

01:22:49.480 right? I don't have a, a particular, uh, particularly strong faith in any religion. I'm kind of like,

01:22:54.840 I don't know what's, you know, I don't know what happens after you die. I don't know. Um, but I do know

01:23:00.140 that there are definitely people out there that look at Christians and all they see is Jerry Falwell.

01:23:06.180 They see the mega church pastors that are making a bunch of money and they see Catholics that, uh, 0.97

01:23:12.880 have, have, you know, Catholic altar boys that have been molested and the church covering it up. 0.57

01:23:18.580 They see only the bad things, uh, you know, of the past 30 or 40 years. And they say, well,

01:23:23.800 that's Christianity. So there, there, there's no reason to defend Christianity, ignoring the fact

01:23:29.960 that our entire moral system here in the West, everything that we consider right and good

01:23:35.220 is based on Christian morals, right? Like if we were, if we were, if our, if our society was based

01:23:43.100 on the Aztec religion, we would think it's right and good to kill children. So that way the sun keeps 1.00

01:23:49.440 coming up, you know, the, the Aztecs were, were sacrifice. Human sacrifice was totally normal. 0.99

01:23:54.100 If we were in, uh, um, an Islamic country based with an Islamic theocracy, we would think that it's 1.00

01:24:00.020 perfectly, perfectly fine to kill people for being gay. Not just, not just say, oh, we, we don't agree 0.99

01:24:05.180 with the act of being gay, literally throw them off the highest building in town. Um, these kinds of 1.00

01:24:10.740 things, the, the idea that, that Western morale or the morality that we live under, that we have, even

01:24:16.600 people largely on the left, the morality that, that they espouse, that they say is, is, is actually

01:24:23.020 right and good. To think that it's not connected to Christianity is an error. Yeah. And yet the left

01:24:29.700 will swear up and down that the, that Christians are the problem. And, and it is, so you're, so how 0.94

01:24:35.320 do you convince a population that has now been convinced that Christianity is the problem? How do

01:24:41.320 you convince them, hey, it's actually a worthwhile endeavor to try to protect these people?

01:24:45.560 Well, let's, let's, uh, for, for, for those that, uh, uh, on the left that may view Christianity

01:24:53.820 that way, uh, let's look at it from throw, throw a Christianity out of it, throw it, go into 0.97

01:25:01.140 a human perspective of men, women, children, elderly, who can't run fast enough that are being slaughtered,

01:25:13.720 being hacked to death with machetes, being burned alive, um, being treated, uh, in the

01:25:21.940 most horrific ways, being left for dead, just, just from a human perspective. If, if, if there's

01:25:31.300 any kind of humanity or morality at all in their hearts, these lives are worth saving. These

01:25:43.020 are innocents, innocent people that have done no wrong that are getting slaughtered and being

01:25:47.340 killed. Just from a human standpoint, they deserve protection. They deserve intervention.

01:25:59.080 When evil happens, good, good, good needs to fight it. And there's nothing more evil than

01:26:05.380 the slaughtering of children, innocent children, burning a grandmother alive as she's holding her 0.71

01:26:11.740 grandkids. This is what, this is what, this is what we've experienced.

01:26:15.220 I mean, what's the opposite? If you don't, if you don't intervene, if you don't allow for

01:26:20.120 voices to be raised or heard, then what are you doing? You're allowing, is it, it's okay

01:26:24.340 because my truth is to kill you, to slaughter you, to take over your land? Is that, is that 1.00

01:26:28.800 what we're saying here? Because if that happens, then what's going to stop them from going to

01:26:32.540 Ghana, to Burkina, to Europe, to England, to US, you know?

01:26:36.760 Well, I mean, it seems the answer is nothing, right? Because that's, that's kind of what

01:26:41.420 Islam does. 0.85

01:26:42.200 And look, look at history. And there's a, there's a misconception with a lot of people

01:26:46.980 that, you know, where Christians are persecuted, that Christianity explodes. That does not happen

01:26:52.800 in the case of Islam. That does not happen in the case of Islam at all. Virtually every 1.00

01:26:59.340 country that has been Islamized has not been de-Islamized without a war. 1.00

01:27:04.040 Yes. Yeah. I mean, you can look to Spain for that.

01:27:07.140 And the Christian populations shrink, shrink and shrivel and shrivel almost down to nothing. 1.00

01:27:13.380 And people don't talk about how Islam conquered its way all the way into Europe. They even conquered 0.99

01:27:20.560 Spain. Entire languages, entire cultures were wiped off the map that are no longer in existence.

01:27:27.880 And it wasn't until the Crusades and the Europeans got their act together and pushed Islam back to 1.00

01:27:33.280 the Middle East. But all that time they enslaved people, they eradicated entire cultures. They put 1.00

01:27:40.040 people in slavery until they died. And this is a history that no one really talks about or knows

01:27:45.680 about, but the only way this evil was stopped was by force. It wasn't done through diplomacy. It

01:27:53.060 wasn't done through things like this. It only responds to force. Evil is only stopped by force.

01:28:01.200 Yeah. I mean, the, the, the, the concept of, you know, the only thing that will stop a bad man

01:28:06.400 with a gun is a good man with a gun. Correct. The Nigerian government way of trying to solve this

01:28:11.040 issue is give the Fulani ethnic militia money to stop killing people. Yeah. They've paid off. 0.86

01:28:17.840 They've, they've come in, governments have come in deals with them and it's like,

01:28:21.220 that's not going to solve it. We're going to be nice to them. We're going to give you money.

01:28:24.000 We're going to give you trucks. We're going to give you all sorts of stuff.

01:28:26.100 Just quit killing people. That didn't work. Yeah. I mean, look at the Christians. So as a 1.00

01:28:31.260 Christian, the golden rule, love your neighbor as yourself. So how do I love myself? I know how

01:28:35.840 to wake up in the morning. I know how to get sleep. I know how to take care of myself,

01:28:38.720 bathe myself, feed myself. I want the same for my neighbor. And you ask any Christian, that's what

01:28:42.980 they, they'll say, you know, evil comes, bad things come. I turn my cheek, you know, but they've

01:28:47.880 said, now they're saying I've turned, I've turned both cheeks. I got no more cheeks to turn.

01:28:51.440 So what happens? They want to care for their, their neighbors, Muslim, Christian, animus, 0.99

01:28:58.380 whatever. And they were welcomed in with Christian charity, Christian charity, you know, come on

01:29:04.180 in neighbor. We'll share with food. We'll, we'll share land. We'll do this with you. They

01:29:08.320 were given Christian charity and that's where leftists and very naive people. And I say even 0.91

01:29:18.220 some naive Christians believe that the Christian charity is going to somehow work by letting them 1.00

01:29:23.720 in your land. And they know, and Islam knows how to take advantage of it every step of the way 0.99

01:29:28.620 until they get the population and the political control. Yeah. Look at Dearborn, Michigan right now.

01:29:37.120 Look at what's happening in Minneapolis. When they get the population and they get the politics,

01:29:42.480 they take over territory and push everybody out. And then eventually, you know, if it grows too much,

01:29:50.920 there will be a time where violence occurs because this is how it's been since 640 AD. We have to

01:29:55.660 acknowledge what's going on. So it is the moral and the right thing to do to stand up to evil and it

01:30:00.600 won't take a whole lot to do it. And it can be done. And why should people care? Why should people

01:30:07.840 care? Because if this came to your backyard, if this came to your neighborhood, came to your town,

01:30:12.920 wouldn't you want somebody standing up for you? Does this go further than just Nigeria? Now,

01:30:17.580 you said the Fulanis are nomadic and they're not, you know, they don't consider themselves Nigerian.

01:30:23.200 Are other countries that surround Nigeria subject to the same thing? And could you convince the other 0.99

01:30:30.280 countries surrounding Nigeria that this is a clear and present danger to them? 0.83

01:30:34.620 So what it happened, so Nigeria, 2001, as you alluded to, September 7th, that Friday,

01:30:40.760 September 11th was a Tuesday. September 7th, that Friday happened, some Christians supposedly 0.87

01:30:47.580 offended a Muslim and then the Muslims rounded up themselves and started to attack Christian areas 0.99

01:30:52.860 in Joss City where I was living. From that, you got...

01:30:56.360 So you were there?

01:30:57.040 I was there, yeah. I was trying to save people from being killed. You know, I was literally helping

01:31:00.880 people get into my house from there being chased down the street. So you saw this happening. And

01:31:05.420 then regionally, Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso, they started to see a rise of terrorists coming in.

01:31:14.220 You know, there's people wanting to fight the government that they had. And for good reason,

01:31:18.660 sometimes there's corruption. But they took it to a further extent, like the Fulanis, like the 0.95

01:31:23.880 Boko Haram, they kind of merged together with Al-Qaeda and ISIS. And they started to do this.

01:31:28.180 So the government, instead of trying to stop it, they just rose up and said, we're going

01:31:32.520 to do a coup. The president can't do it. His willy-nilly stuff is not going to work. We're

01:31:36.880 going to rise up and be a... We're going to take over military-wise and fight. And who helped

01:31:41.320 them? The Russians. So Burkina Faso is now a military rule and it's well-funded by Russians. 0.75

01:31:47.880 In fact, some Burkina Bays and Malians and Niger were signing up to go to Ukraine to fight

01:31:53.540 with Russia. Niger also has been a coup. The militaries are ruling there and Russia's there

01:31:58.480 as well as in Mali. So it's just going to keep spreading. And so all this is happening. 0.95

01:32:04.060 No one's saying or doing anything. France left. They just took off. So now Russia's taken up

01:32:08.560 the vacuum and filling in. So if Nigeria... If that stuff doesn't happen in Nigeria, you're 0.76

01:32:13.360 going to lose that sort of democracy in Africa, specifically West Africa. Because Nigeria is... 0.94

01:32:18.520 They say it's the trigger on the gun. If you take Africa, the continent, turn it at the

01:32:22.740 trigger is where Nigeria is.

01:32:24.080 Yeah. So I imagine you've got the countries that are... I mean, Liberia is fairly close,

01:32:31.060 probably a thousand miles away or whatever. And that kind of... Those countries there,

01:32:37.800 they're largely influenced by the US, but that is no longer the case, correct?

01:32:43.160 Well, again, they're doing diplomacy aid. They're saying, we'll give you this money, but then

01:32:47.520 take these LGBT... Take these issues and make sure you're doing this as well. Well,

01:32:52.160 they've stopped that, so it doesn't happen. But so Burkina Faso wouldn't listen to France

01:32:56.800 because France was telling them to just play nice. And they wouldn't. So they said, well,

01:33:00.520 the only way we can stop it is militarily. So that's why the military rose up, dethroned the

01:33:05.320 president, and now is a military dictator in Burkina Faso, his name in Niger. Because they

01:33:09.940 know the threat that these terrorists, these militants are doing. And the only way to stop

01:33:13.780 it is with force. And that's what they're doing.

01:33:15.200 Yeah. And if Nigeria falls, just say, if Nigeria falls, so goes the rest of Africa. 0.52

01:33:22.440 You think that the whole rest of Africa...

01:33:24.620 The whole rest of Africa falls. 0.99

01:33:25.800 Why don't you unpack that for me?

01:33:28.020 The most populous country in Africa, 220 million. It's one of the most rich with natural resources,

01:33:33.840 oil, all that. And if Nigeria goes and they get that population, they get those natural resources

01:33:41.840 and minerals. Nigeria is the most populous country in all of Africa.

01:33:45.240 Okay. 220 million.

01:33:46.580 Even more so than like Egypt, huh? 0.97

01:33:47.760 Oh, yeah.

01:33:48.100 Yes.

01:33:48.640 All right.

01:33:48.840 By far.

01:33:49.540 Yeah.

01:33:49.800 So they will then easily take over Benin, Togo, Ghana. They'll have the whole continent in 0.99

01:33:58.340 short of, you know, a decade.

01:34:01.700 Okay.

01:34:03.440 And it will be a bloodbath and millions and millions of lives will be destroyed.

01:34:07.500 So they're influential. So Nigeria as a nation is called into peace.

01:34:11.840 Keeping missions for African Union, ECOWAS, different things for themselves. So they've

01:34:16.680 gone into Liberia. They've gone into Sudan. At the same time, they've stopped crises in

01:34:20.940 East Africa. They've been part of discussions for South Africa. South Africa probably has

01:34:25.760 a little bit better economy, but it's a worse situation than Nigeria as far as the communism

01:34:30.440 and socialism go. But if Nigeria falls into these hands of militant Islamists, it's just 0.99

01:34:36.700 going to give everyone else, hey, all bets are off. Let's go. Let's just rise up and take over. 0.99

01:34:41.620 They're already creeping into northern, you know, Benin and Togo, northern Ghana. And

01:34:46.460 Ghana has enacted laws to stop Fulani for doing things. Togo's trying, Benin's trying, but 1.00

01:34:52.140 it's, you know, it's just waiting for Nigeria to fall. 0.61

01:34:56.840 Yep. Okay. So, I mean, you know, I get what you're saying about the influence of Nigeria,

01:35:06.080 Nigeria. Um, but I'm, I'm not sure that I, I understand why it is that the, that Nigeria 1.00

01:35:13.000 is such a linchpin. Um, I mean, obviously the, the population is a big deal. Um, it does

01:35:19.600 the population overall want to fight back? I mean, you said it's 220 million half or so

01:35:24.800 are, are, are Muslims. So, I mean, that's 110 million people, 110 million Christians that

01:35:30.460 are like, Oh, you know, we're on the chopping block and they, they don't have any political

01:35:34.380 power to, to influence the government or they don't, they don't seem to be able to. Is

01:35:39.100 that, is that the case?

01:35:40.600 So what I said in the beginning was the 36 States, the federal government, the oil money,

01:35:45.340 that's the oil revenues that come in, they divide it to the States. Here, use your pot.

01:35:48.900 Here's your pot. Okay. Then the local, here's your pot. Here's your pot. So it's, so it's coming

01:35:53.180 from the top down. Is there, I mean, you look at the map and is there a consolidation

01:35:57.200 of Christians or are they spread out throughout the country? Is it like

01:36:01.180 South is predominantly Christian and it gets to about 50, 50 in the middle and then it's

01:36:06.140 mostly Muslim in the North. Yeah. So go to, so you look at the capital of Abuja, um, which

01:36:12.400 is right in the center of the word Nigeria, South of Abuja, Christian, North of Abuja, right

01:36:17.620 at the middle belt, 50, 50. And then above the middle belt is Islam. So right. So you 1.00

01:36:23.140 demand, I mean, just by the look of it, you'd imagine that the Christians have more of the 1.00

01:36:26.260 resources as opposed to like, maybe, maybe not the oil resources, but they don't have

01:36:30.740 the military. Yeah. Military is often in the hands of the president. So the president sends

01:36:36.660 troops in, you know, you're at the mercy of whatever the president wants. The governor's

01:36:40.680 supposed to say we want troops, but the president could say, no, I'm going to send them anyways.

01:36:44.260 And, and he gets in there and then they do what he needs them to do. And the, the, the top

01:36:49.220 military command is Fulani. Okay. So they're, they're nomads that are no longer nomadic. 0.71

01:36:56.260 So they have city Fulani and then nomadic Fulani. City ones have been settled. They've 0.93

01:36:59.820 got jobs. They're in politics or some sort of job, but, and you know, their ideology could

01:37:05.520 be the same, but just not as aggressive as not holding a weapon, but they're allowing

01:37:10.000 things to happen. They're just basically like, well, you know, I'm, I, my life is, is

01:37:13.640 fairly, uh, I'm content in my life here, but I, I am sympathetic to the idea.

01:37:19.260 My brothers. Yeah. Yeah. The other Fulani's. Um, yeah. I mean, can you, can you tell me more 0.96

01:37:27.060 about, um, about the, the distinction between the, the, the Fulani that are the nomadic and

01:37:33.220 the Fulani that are kind of the, the ones that are, um, I guess normalized. Is it possible

01:37:40.600 to, to use the normal, to convince the normalized to, you know, influence the, the Fulani that 0.70

01:37:47.060 are, are the, uh, the, I guess for, for lack of a better term, the militants?

01:37:51.240 Yeah. I mean, by and large, like he was describing, so a village has Christian farmers living there

01:37:56.500 and the Fulani have come down for centuries. They've often come down. They ask the Christian 1.00

01:38:00.320 leaders, where can they set up their camp? They have these mobile tents that they can put

01:38:04.960 up so that they set up there, they help them with the manure from the cows. Life is grand.

01:38:09.540 And, but then, as you said, sometimes militants come in and say, we're going to attack this

01:38:13.860 village tomorrow night. You need to either be gone or allow us to cover. So they, or we'll

01:38:19.200 kill you. Right. So they've, they threaten them. They can't, you talk to Fulani who are, 1.00

01:38:22.720 who are trying to stop, they can't because they, they feel for their own, they threaten their

01:38:26.000 own lives. Yeah. And you're saying the Christians are the Christians. They're not, they're not 0.99

01:38:30.440 the, the, uh, the nomads at all. Right. The Christians are farmers. Farmers. Yeah. Okay. They've 0.67

01:38:34.940 had cattle, but they're, they've kept them on ranches. Right. So, and then the, the city

01:38:39.000 Fulani are the ones that are, you know, settled down. They don't have cattle. Maybe they have

01:38:42.420 a cattle, but someone else takes care of it, but they, they're in positions of power because 0.59

01:38:45.820 of the, the emirate that happened in 1804, the jihad. So the emir, this, then the politicians,

01:38:50.780 the British made them rulers, made them politicians. So the British kind of set up this whole catastrophic

01:38:55.960 system, you know, and the Christians will even say this, just let, let's draw, let's put

01:39:00.580 a wall in the North. You can have it, do what you want with it. You have no resources,

01:39:04.780 maybe have a little bit, nothing as we have, and we'll just, we'll take the South, you

01:39:08.260 know, go away. I imagine, I mean, if you look at the, just the, the, the fact that the South

01:39:13.160 is where, you know, it looks like all the things that grow, grow and the North is.

01:39:16.900 Yeah. The oil's all in the, in the ocean on the South.

01:39:19.400 Oh, so the oil's actually, okay. Well, I mean, I, I imagine that's not going to be, well,

01:39:23.320 I mean, that, that alone points to why the, the, the Northern, uh, the Northern people would 0.93

01:39:29.460 be pushing to the South because the resources are in the South, you know, that's where things

01:39:33.300 grow. That's if the oil's off the coast, you know, that, that, that makes perfect sense.

01:39:37.460 And, and I don't, I mean, I don't imagine that as much as we, you know, we've been talking about

01:39:42.900 if the U S kind of just puts a little bit of political pressure, a little, a little, you know,

01:39:47.280 kind of gets, like I said, the ISR on, on them. I don't imagine that, that that's actually going

01:39:51.600 to materially change the situation because the resources, whether or not there are ideologically

01:39:57.000 motivated people, there might be ideologically motivated people that are, that are like,

01:40:00.860 I'm willing to fight, but the people that are, are in positions of power, they know where the,

01:40:04.560 the resources are. They know what, where the money is and it's not in the desert. It's, it's,

01:40:09.760 you know, on the coast and, and in the port and where the rain comes and stuff. So, so how do you,

01:40:16.460 how do you deal with that particular, you know, dynamic, the, the, all of the resources are where

01:40:22.320 the Christians are and all of the aggression is, is coming from the North where the sand is. 1.00

01:40:27.000 That's where the discussion, that's what we said. If we sit down, dad and his two, two sons sit

01:40:32.380 down and have a discussion, there could be something, right? Dad's respected. He's, he's

01:40:36.960 going to be the, the, the authority, but he's the moderator, the mediator between the two fighting

01:40:41.300 quarreling brothers. Let's, let's have that. Let's start with that because if you show them,

01:40:45.500 this is what you get, if you continue to do this, this is what they may do or something may happen.

01:40:50.740 And let's figure this out. You know, again, it doesn't take money. It just takes

01:40:54.280 an effort to, to someone to say, let's do this. Let's talk this through. Let's see what you have

01:40:58.820 and let's figure out what we can, you know, what you could do together.

01:41:03.340 And, and you know, I, and if, if that doesn't work, I'm for intervention because if this,

01:41:08.840 if this isn't stopped, there's going to be a lot more dead bodies very, very, very soon.

01:41:16.760 And if intervention can happen now, it will stop and prevent a civil war from happening.

01:41:23.860 So what is in your mind, what does that intervention look like beyond just the secretary of state

01:41:29.600 saying, Hey, you know, does it look like troops on the ground or is it something, or are you more

01:41:38.260 thinking of, because I mean, we look, it's not going to be the UN, right? The UN peacekeepers aren't

01:41:43.200 going to, aren't going to be able to do anything. A major investment in Nigeria and that investment

01:41:47.940 being protected. So you're thinking something along the lines of, uh, um, companies going in to

01:41:56.480 expand on the natural resources there and then possibly the U S military protecting that.

01:42:02.580 Protecting and make, and just ensuring we'll have the Nigerian government ensure the protection of

01:42:07.500 those investments. Otherwise there's repercussions, but I think they're like, it's a win-win scenario.

01:42:12.580 Nigeria prospers, people aren't being killed, the economy prospers. And that is a very, very

01:42:18.480 strong win-win scenario.

01:42:20.700 Yeah. I don't, I don't, I'm not, I don't think that the U S has the, uh, that the, the people of

01:42:25.520 the United States are, are, I don't think that, that you could make the case in a strong enough

01:42:31.160 way where you could get, um, public support of that.

01:42:35.080 We can get the Trump, we can get Trump support if there's a win-win scenario and a major return

01:42:39.880 of investment back to the United States. And I think you can make that case. I think American

01:42:43.540 people would buy it.

01:42:45.640 Okay. We'll flesh that out then. How do you, how do you convince the American people? I mean, look,

01:42:49.040 the, the, we're dealing with a population that doesn't trust the government, right? The, the,

01:42:54.380 the trust in the, in the American government has never been lower. Right. And you've got a,

01:42:59.860 an extremely polarized political climate here. So half of the country is just going to say no,

01:43:07.660 because it's something that Donald Trump talked about doing. And again, we, we've already talked

01:43:10.820 about the, the way that the, the left kind of looks at, at Christians. So as soon as they get a whiff

01:43:16.620 of, oh, you're going in to protect Christians. No, you don't want to do that because Donald Trump

01:43:20.200 wants to do it. So, I mean, you're talking about, it's the same deal. It's a landmine. It's the same,

01:43:23.960 same deal they did in the Congo. It's the same negotiations are doing the Congo. We can do the

01:43:30.980 same thing in Nigeria and the United States would buy it because, uh, one saving lives to growing

01:43:39.080 our economy and having, you know, and expanding our influence in natural resources. I believe that

01:43:45.640 American people that are smart enough would see the advantage in doing this. And, you know, yeah,

01:43:51.380 we might have a lot of isolationist skeptics out there, but at the end of the day, if there's money

01:43:55.720 to be made for the government while saving lives, I think those that are in the power and make the

01:44:00.960 decisions will make that decision. It's not coming to arm Christians so they can kill Muslims. That's 0.99

01:44:05.860 not what we're saying. The religious tension is there. The religious liberties aren't, right?

01:44:10.240 The freedom of religion is not. So a Muslim who becomes a Christian will be killed by his family, 1.00

01:44:15.340 right? That's typically, if you're the oldest son and you become a Christian from a Muslim family, 0.99

01:44:19.740 you'll be killed. So there's no, there's no rights for, for, for that in the Islamic and the 1.00

01:44:24.420 Sharia law sort of something. As a Christian, I want to take care of everyone, my neighbor,

01:44:29.020 myself. So I want to do that. So you start with the discussion of how can we reduce this,

01:44:34.380 this tension? What can we do? Start with the police. The police in Nigeria are, I say useless, 0.98

01:44:41.360 that's maybe too strong of a word. They're not functioning. Ineffective. They're federal. They're, 0.99

01:44:46.000 they're, they're paid by the, the federal government, the whim of the president. And they're, they,

01:44:50.220 they don't know what they're doing in local areas because they're not maybe from that area. So

01:44:53.600 start with getting, Hey, let's go to states or local police. Let's start with there because

01:44:57.600 you're not, when a crisis breaks out, the military is often sent in and, and people don't trust the

01:45:03.720 military now. You know, people, they, they, you know, he's talking to these reports of people being

01:45:07.960 attacked and killed or people just surviving. What were they wearing? Military fatigues. They're

01:45:13.020 wearing camouflage. They've got their, their names ripped off or they've, they, you know, they're,

01:45:17.060 they either stolen from a military base or they, they got them, they borrowed them or rented them,

01:45:21.240 as he says. So, you know, those kinds of things, just a discussion on those, right? Having that

01:45:25.780 providing a place to make, make Nigeria safer, but also it'll make America safer. As I said,

01:45:31.540 it'll stop that spread of radical Islam. Yep. Yeah. Um, I'm still, I like, I mean, you know, 1.00

01:45:41.100 the, the, the, because again, the, the realities of, of where the American people are. I mean,

01:45:45.860 I see it all the time, right? Like, even if you, if you look at our chat now, there's a lot of people

01:45:49.240 that are just like, how is this America's problem? Yeah. You know? And, and so I'm,

01:45:53.260 I'm trying to. It's America's problem because America is period. Yeah. You know, I think that's

01:45:58.620 the, the thing is, is we've, I've said this, he's said this, it doesn't need money. It just needs

01:46:03.400 a sit down, a discussion, a deal to be made. Right. And then eventually we'll say, we'll bring in this

01:46:09.660 business. There's a huge market there. You know, phone companies have come in from Middle East,

01:46:15.080 from South Africa made millions, millions of money. Cars are being imported from Japan, from

01:46:20.900 Belgium, you know, different European countries. They don't want Chinese products. Everyone 1.00

01:46:26.360 says, do you want, do you want original, this good Japanese car? Or do you want this cheap

01:46:30.460 Chinese one? You know, do you want this old used iPhone or do you want this new Chinese one? 0.97

01:46:36.220 Give me the old iPhone. They don't want Chinese products. Okay. So you have a market there that 0.92

01:46:40.160 can be easily. So there's demand for it then. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay. So do you think that there's

01:46:45.300 demand for, I mean, obviously the, the Christians in, in Nigeria would be like, look, we want as much

01:46:51.200 help as we can get, you know? They just want their voice to be heard first. And that's what we're

01:46:55.400 doing. We're just raising their voice, amplifying it, getting it heard by the right people because

01:47:00.240 they've been silenced by the mainstream media. It's been widely ignored.

01:47:03.580 How would a sit down look though? Cause it seems like one of these groups has a religious view

01:47:10.380 that's just incompatible with any kind of progress in the direction of Christianity period. So like,

01:47:15.680 how do you convince them? Well, if it's, if it's, let's say it's governmental at that level. So U.S.

01:47:20.280 government, I said, Mossad Boulus and Rubio go over, sit down with the Nigerian government and talk

01:47:27.060 it through. They'll address, it's not a religious thing. It's a local crisis. Well, why is that? What,

01:47:31.680 what, why is it like this? What can we do to, to, to make sure that it doesn't grow,

01:47:36.260 doesn't spread. But we think we're hearing from other people that it is religious, right? So this

01:47:41.020 is why we think it is. And we'll put that CPC designation. It's kind of, it's toothless as,

01:47:45.560 as Judd said, but it's also, it's something we can use against them. You're not going to get this age.

01:47:49.960 You're not going to get this status with the CPC country, particular concern. So getting that

01:47:55.060 discussion in, you know, we've got businesses who want to come in, whether it's from another African

01:47:59.320 country or from America, from Europe, whatever, they want to come in and they can't, they won't 0.90

01:48:03.200 because it's unsafe. Yeah. Electricity grid is terrible there. They've had problems with it.

01:48:08.380 They've had so much money gone into it. They sell more electricity outside of the country than they

01:48:12.840 use in the country. So there's electricity to be used. They're just not, you know, making it stable.

01:48:17.440 How do they generate, generate their electricity? There's dams, there's oil, there's gas, there's, yeah.

01:48:22.940 The other thing I was thinking about was guns, because it seems like only one part is allowed to

01:48:27.140 have guns legally or loosely illegally. So how would they be able to have them?

01:48:33.740 Yeah. I mean, if you need those. Yeah. To that, to that point, how do you, how do you, if,

01:48:38.360 if hypothetically the U S were to send in, you know, um, military advisors, you know, cause I mean,

01:48:44.860 that's the job of the green berets. Like people think a lot of people think special forces are

01:48:48.360 special forces, but like the green berets, the job of them, their, their job is ostensibly to go in,

01:48:53.400 find existing military forces or, or existing resistance forces and train them up and make

01:48:59.320 them a functional military unit that can actually win engagements. Um, but if there is only a handful

01:49:06.380 of private contractors and there's not, you know, weapons and, and et cetera, um, how do you, how do you

01:49:14.680 arm the population? If there's, if the law prevents them from having arms and, and, and the means to

01:49:22.420 defend themselves, what good is a, uh, you know, a couple, couple hundred green berets if, uh, if

01:49:28.980 there's no one actually to train? Yeah. I mean, the thing is, is, is again, it's, it's education. So they,

01:49:36.580 you arm just a random Nigerian, they have to be learned how to use a gun, clean a gun, all that, all that. 1.00

01:49:44.460 But you, you have people that are already doing it. These hunting groups, they call them hunters

01:49:49.040 association, but they're, it's, it's hilarious, but not hilarious, but they're, they're armed and

01:49:53.180 they're willing to fight, but they, their guns are man-made. They're pipes and, and just different

01:49:57.720 things welded on. There are groups that are willing to protect villages. Like I said, vigilante,

01:50:03.200 it's a bad word, but that's what they call their groups that are, that are told to roam the, the places

01:50:07.980 where the hotspots are. And they do that. They're willing to do that. They're doing it. So let's help them

01:50:12.980 with the, if the weapons have to be brought in and the government of Nigeria has to sign off on what's

01:50:17.640 being in. So we know the, the serial numbers and all the, the munitions, whatever, fine, whatever. But

01:50:22.720 until you do that, you don't know what's going to happen. Right now they're being out, out, out gunned.

01:50:27.620 And just to explain. So, so they're called the vigilante. They're village security teams. Yeah.

01:50:31.540 These are people from the community. They're from their own village. They have the approval of the

01:50:35.800 government tab. They have the approval of the government to protect their village. They just,

01:50:42.100 they're, they're just not armed. They're not armed with AK 47s. They're not armed with the same weapons

01:50:46.920 as the terrorists are. If these guys got approval to defend themselves, you guarantee that a lot of

01:50:53.800 the killings would stop if they had the ability to protect themselves. And that wouldn't take a huge

01:51:00.000 investment from the United States government. I mean, that just, I mean, wouldn't that just take

01:51:03.900 the, the government of Nigeria to allow them to do that? So is that something that the, that state

01:51:10.040 could pressure them into? Be like, Hey, it is definitely something that could pressure them into.

01:51:13.700 Yep. Okay. So, so, uh, a sit down with, uh, with, you know, Marco Rubio himself went over there and

01:51:23.080 just said, Hey, let these people defend themselves from these attacks. And is that something that's out of

01:51:29.580 the question or, or, or we're just waiting? Do you just, do you think that it's just that the

01:51:33.920 Rubio going over? No, no. I mean, well, I mean, possibly, I mean, looks that, you know,

01:51:37.800 in the, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big ask, but it also, it also puts the Nigerian

01:51:44.400 government on notices. Like how serious are you about protecting your own citizens? And the

01:51:49.460 citizens will be watching and watching to see how that government reacts. What do you think that

01:51:55.200 the, what do you think the rest of, so say for hypothetically, Marco Rubio, say he doesn't go,

01:52:00.580 but he sends a, sends the deputy right over and, and he's got the full authorization. Uh, what,

01:52:07.660 what the deputy says is what the state department is, the official position of the state department.

01:52:12.740 What does the rest of the world say? What is, what do the groups in, in the Middle East,

01:52:17.080 what are the Middle Eastern countries say? Is it something that they're, they just, we don't care 0.99

01:52:20.440 or, or what would the UN say, you know, is, is there, is there going to be pushback from the rest

01:52:25.680 of the world? Yeah, there'll be pushback from the rest of the world because the rest of the world

01:52:29.560 is bought in with the far left and it's funded and controlled by, uh, by, by Islamists. So anything 0.52

01:52:36.520 that goes against their narrative and their objective, they're going to raise all holy hell

01:52:41.140 about, and they'll be like, oh, Trump wants a civil war in Nigeria. They'll throw out all sorts of

01:52:45.580 insanity. I guarantee they will, but who cares what they say? They're in the wrong. They have

01:52:52.140 been in the wrong. They've been advocating every wrong policy for the last 20 years and have

01:52:56.240 destroying, uh, everything it touches. So, well, they're not going to do anything. They're not

01:53:01.460 going to do anything. No, they'll, but they'll just cry. And, and is it likely that there would be,

01:53:05.860 um, so the U S sends some kind of support and the Christians decide they're going to start, 0.87

01:53:10.940 you know, defending themselves. Will there be an influx of, of Islamic radicals of, of other,

01:53:17.880 you know, Muslims from other countries? Will they say this is where the jihad is now? Like there was 0.99

01:53:23.200 in, in, in, in, in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Is that something that's possible? Could this turn

01:53:29.620 into a larger conflict because they say, okay, look, they're Christians. They're there. It's now 0.96

01:53:35.200 they're attacking the Muslims. There's, you know, half the country is Muslim. So we have to go and defend 1.00

01:53:39.560 our Muslim brothers. Is that something that you could see? I don't, I don't think it'll be to

01:53:44.120 that extent. I think we have to engage other countries, Middle East, Europe, just to say,

01:53:50.640 look, stop giving aid, stop giving your, your resources, your food, whatever. Just stop it

01:53:54.920 for a while. Let's take this action. What does action of, of, of, of talking to the government

01:54:00.100 and say, we're all coming together to say, if they don't want to come, then it's on them,

01:54:03.820 but we're going to try this. Let's give this a chance. If it's arming or these vigilante groups

01:54:08.700 or make them better equipped, that would send the signals to any other group that,

01:54:12.720 hey, these guys are equipped too now. So I don't want to, I'm not, I'm not risking my

01:54:15.780 life right now. I, I'll gun them. I can just go in and do random, you know, I don't have 0.94

01:54:20.400 to worry about that. But if now I'm being equal, now, now my life maybe is more valuable and

01:54:26.960 I will stop. And I don't think it'll rise up a bigger terrorist, you know, from Northeast.

01:54:32.460 They'll continue to be driven down by the military, but the Fulani militants, I think 0.95

01:54:37.360 would hear, hear, would see the, the reaction and I believe would slow down or stop. Yeah.

01:54:44.180 I agree with his point. Yeah. Um, do you think that, that the possibility of, of, of it becoming,

01:54:53.460 you know, an inflection point prevents the, uh, the, or do you think that's what, that's

01:54:59.760 what prevented the, the previous administration from doing anything? Or is it just a matter

01:55:03.860 of, well, they don't really believe that there is a problem that the U.S. should be involved

01:55:07.700 in? I think it was, I mean, for sure it was, they, they, I mean, even Nigerians will say

01:55:12.540 we don't need Americans to solve our problem. We need to be heard. We need to make sure that

01:55:17.260 the Nigerian government is seeing what's actually happening. Yeah. I think that's the first

01:55:21.560 step, right? They're, it's not about, and, and I weren't there, the, the, all that the

01:55:26.700 Biden administration was listening to was the Nigerian government. They weren't listening

01:55:29.300 to the people. We would, you know, if we sell scenario, we took over Masad, Bullis, Rubio,

01:55:34.020 showed him what's going on in, in these IDP camps, show him what's going on in these,

01:55:37.820 these were the terrorists or the, the, the, the bandits have kidnapped people and are torturing

01:55:41.400 them, show them what's happening. He'd have a better take on what's going on. That would

01:55:45.300 probably be our first thing. But we need action. We need action and we need it to happen now.

01:55:56.060 Like I said, if action does not happen, it's going to be a bloodbath. There will be a civil

01:55:59.580 war. And, you know, right now we have 3.5 million Christians that are barely getting any aid,

01:56:05.680 any help. We have a crisis on the ground right now where people are starving. People are dying

01:56:11.580 of diseases. They weren't getting any help from USAID in the first place, but I'm making an appeal

01:56:17.780 to the audience. There are innocent people. There are Nigerians that need your help. If you don't

01:56:22.760 want the government to get involved, if you feel compelled, donate, support. Yeah. And I'll plug my

01:56:29.880 website, equippingthepersecuted.org. If you want to help persecuted Christians in Nigeria, partner with

01:56:34.520 us. Call your Senator, call your Congressman. If you want the United States to get involved,

01:56:40.160 ask your Senator and Congressman to get involved politically. Intervene on behalf of persecuted

01:56:44.500 Christians. But doing nothing is going to result in a lot more death. Sure. Well, why don't you 1.00

01:56:54.060 guys, I mean, that's kind of like a wrap up. Oh, I'm sorry. No, that's fine. That's fine. We're,

01:56:59.220 you know, we're just about two hours as it is. So, so Kyle, if you have any closing thoughts and

01:57:04.160 actually, where can people find you? So they can go to equippingthepersecuted.org,

01:57:11.000 all one word, equippingthepersecuted.org, partner with our organization. We get boots on the ground.

01:57:17.820 We respond to these attacks within 48 hours. We work with village security teams. We do medical

01:57:23.220 interventions in the IDP camps. We need all the help we can get. We're underfunded. I don't get grants,

01:57:28.620 government funding. It's all private donations. And then if you want to follow what's happening in

01:57:33.440 Nigeria from a news standpoint, go to truthnigeria.com and pray for these guys because

01:57:42.840 they're risking their lives every day to tell the truth about what's happening and share the

01:57:46.760 articles, help their voices be heard. Kyle, you got anything, last words?

01:57:51.640 I mean, so we're doing, so ICON is International Committee on Nigeria. The website is I-C-O-N, 0.97

01:57:56.700 ICON, help.org. We're more of the behind the scenes. We're gathering data and information. So

01:58:03.180 we've got some of his guys, some of our guys going out and when the crisis happens, they document it

01:58:08.920 using an app. And it's evidence, you know, it's locked in the cloud. So it's evidence. We can use

01:58:15.420 that for, if it's the International Criminal Courts or it's the UN, you know, those kinds of things can

01:58:20.860 happen. So I think, yeah, just get aware of what's going on. You can say, how does this affect America?

01:58:26.900 It already does. You don't even realize, why should we be given billions of dollars? We shouldn't. We

01:58:32.200 shouldn't be involved militarily, but we are. So what are we going to do? We're going to have to

01:58:37.160 figure out how to stop it. So let's, as he said, contact your Senate, your Congress, get them to say,

01:58:43.460 hey, look, I know there's things on Nigeria. What's going on? Let's stop this. Get President Trump,

01:58:48.460 as I said, he says something and it happens. So just, you know, as much as you can, if you can get to

01:58:53.900 any legislature, any, any politician, you know, do it, Democrat or Republican.

01:58:59.180 Okay. And then you're, you guys, you have a, an X account people can follow you at or anything

01:59:03.660 like that? No. Yeah. You can follow me, Judd Saul on X. Judd, J-U-D-D-S-A-U-L. Follow us at

01:59:12.840 EquipThePersecuted on X. You can find me on Facebook, EquippingThePersecuted on Facebook.

01:59:20.120 Just thank you for having us on and we encourage your audience, spread the word. This is a genocide

01:59:27.040 that has been completely ignored and we need people to speak about it. Okay. Kyle?

01:59:32.420 Yeah. IconHelp1, I-C-O-N-H-E-L-P-1 is our X account. Yeah. Again, just get things, go online,

01:59:40.900 retweet these, the things that you're sharing today, the other articles and get people aware. You know,

01:59:46.120 when Bill Mayer said that, it came out of the blue. We didn't know how, why, but it's, it's stirred

01:59:50.520 up the, the, the awareness now. So. Awesome. All right. Well, Judd, Kyle, thank you guys for

01:59:56.000 being a part, Carter. Thanks for pushing the buttons. We appreciate you coming in. For sure.

01:59:59.780 And so you guys can, you can check out clips from the show all weekend and Tim and the rest

02:00:06.200 of the IRL gang will be, well, not myself, but Tim and the guys are still out on location and

02:00:12.380 they'll be doing IRL tonight. And so you can catch clips from the IRL this week over the

02:00:18.120 weekend. And we will see you guys on Monday.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - October 03, 2025

Nigeria's Christian Genocide, Media Ignoring Atrocities w⧸ Judd Saul & Kyle Abst

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