The Culture War - Tim Pool - Nigeria's Christian Genocide, Media Ignoring Atrocities w⧸ Judd Saul & Kyle Abst

00:00:00.000 yeah go ahead all right three two one go ahead

00:00:11.240 so today there's a lot of talk about conflicts in the middle east that are ongoing

00:00:18.820 but there's a conflict going on in part of africa that hasn't been getting the attention that a lot

00:00:26.300 of other places have in nigeria there are a lot of christians that are dealing with what some people

00:00:32.000 are calling a genocide and so here today to talk about that we've got some people that'll dive into

00:00:37.860 it so kyle why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself sure i'm kyle epps i'm executive director

00:00:43.160 of the international committee in nigeria and also a colleague and friend to judge saw here i

00:00:47.420 moved to nigeria in 1999 raised my family there left in 2016 and came back and with the with the

00:00:55.320 need to share the voices of nigerians that are being persecuted being killed so i've taken upon

00:01:00.160 myself to do that for the last 10 years awesome thanks for joining us judd hello i'm judd saul

00:01:05.500 founder and director of equipping the persecuted a boots on the ground mission in nigeria that

00:01:10.900 actually helps persecuted christians and we've been at this for a long time trying to get word

00:01:16.000 out about what's going on in nigeria and we are very grateful to be on the show today awesome well

00:01:20.700 thank you guys for joining us in case you don't know carter banks is here as well he's going to be

00:01:24.340 pushing the buttons up i'm pushing the buttons here um but yeah let's get into it all right so

00:01:29.520 um for the people that are are unfamiliar because a lot this hasn't gotten a lot of coverage i mean

00:01:34.940 if you're an extremely online person if you're a religious christian um you might be aware of this

00:01:40.240 kind of stuff because this kind of stuff would go out would come across your feed or maybe you've

00:01:44.420 heard about it in your your particular church uh possibly people asking for donations or whatever

00:01:48.700 um for but for the average kind of you know politically interested person would would would

00:01:54.560 you go ahead and and kind of give us the background of what's going on and and how we've gotten to this

00:02:00.780 point yeah i mean nigeria is the most populous african nation with two over 220 million people so

00:02:07.740 by and large it should be getting focused because there's so much population but somehow it's not being

00:02:12.920 shared or exposed maybe there's something someone dumbing it down in nigeria is it similar to

00:02:17.780 to most of the other like most other other countries where there's significant um population

00:02:23.780 densities in cities or is it kind of spread out more tribal kind of thing can you can you give a

00:02:27.820 little it is right i mean cities is where the money is where you get a job but then people are

00:02:31.820 it's 50 percent agricultural so a lot of people have farms so there's a lot of people in the village

00:02:36.280 areas but it was developed or designed by the the european powers you know after the first world war

00:02:42.440 they kind of put these borders absorbed over 500 different ethnic groups so there's a lot of you

00:02:48.520 know tension already because the muslims came from the north they came from the middle east along the

00:02:53.680 sahel desert and then they indoctrinated and converted people there while the christians came in from the

00:02:58.980 south from the ocean slave trade and all that stuff so the the history is already ripe with contention

00:03:04.900 because of the different ethnic groups but it's taken on a whole different dimension when they started

00:03:09.160 killing the the the the fulanese who created declared a jihad in 1804 and designed a caliphate

00:03:16.000 in parts of what is northern nigeria now and with that sort of remnant in their minds they continue

00:03:20.680 to use that and there's a radical group of fulani militant extremist islamic who are trying to kill

00:03:26.420 christians and just displace them and convert the whole of nigeria into a islamic republic

00:03:32.180 okay so the location of nigeria it's not actually well no africa's huge and you look at a

00:03:39.000 regular map that you're familiar with uh on you know from from from school or whatever and

00:03:45.220 africa kind of doesn't get the the credit that it's due for the size of the land mass like it's the

00:03:51.220 only the only it's the biggest continent that except for asia right it's the second biggest continent i

00:03:56.480 believe it is um and nigeria is kind of in the middle of it and kind of it's a landlocked country

00:04:02.340 right no it's on the ocean oh is it on the ocean okay um so where were the the the people that were

00:04:09.700 coming up from the south the christians and stuff they they were are descendants of uh of like the

00:04:16.200 dutch or or who were the who were the people that actually colonized the the south that actually

00:04:20.460 started bringing the the christian you know faith into africa portuguese was first and then

00:04:26.500 the british was the main colony so it was a british colony yeah okay yeah um so at this point

00:04:34.240 there's the violence you said has been going on for at least 20 years but longer okay but 20 years

00:04:40.280 is really it's taken this religious turn okay um so who were the groups involved you said the falani

00:04:48.280 tribes yeah the primary uh driving force of the killing of christians in nigeria is the falani tribe

00:04:56.200 they're a radical islamist tribe uh that practice a uh saudi arabian uh sunnis saudi arabian sunni form

00:05:06.280 of islam that is the same ideology of isis that the same ideology of boca haram and they have declared

00:05:13.740 that nigeria is theirs for the taking and allah has given them nigeria so they feel that they can do

00:05:20.600 whatever they want to grab that land and so they've just been running unimpeded for the last 20 years

00:05:27.800 i call it death by a thousand attacks so it's not like a giant army going in and taking over major cities

00:05:34.620 but over systematically over time they move in they're not indigenous to nigeria but they move in

00:05:42.520 they grow the population they gain political power once they have the political power then the killing

00:05:48.200 starts and then once they have the political cover in these northern states then they start going after

00:05:55.820 more land and more villages and start doing the killing and this is why hardly anybody talks about

00:06:02.600 it because they have the political cover even within the nigerian government to go do these killings

00:06:08.880 and run around on just killing unimpeded so falani's are nomadic herdsmen that's their

00:06:13.740 occupation that's their job so there you often see them with herds of cattle and that's where they

00:06:18.660 make their money and they're actually stretched from senegal all the way to central africa some say

00:06:23.700 even to south sudan into sudan so that that people are very nomadic and he says they're not they're not

00:06:28.900 indigenous to nigeria means they don't they they will not if you speak to a falani in senegal

00:06:33.740 where are you from they'll say i'm falani i'm from everywhere right i'm not nigerian they don't have

00:06:38.740 nigerian passports they have no form of identity the the nomadic ones there's some have settled

00:06:44.280 since the 1800s in cities and set up in politics as as judd said but so they're they in 1804 the

00:06:52.440 falani jihad was declared and they wiped out or they tried to wipe out all the the non the infidels

00:06:58.480 anyone who didn't want to convert to their belief of of of of islam and that's where it kind of got

00:07:03.640 bad but there are you know to be fair there are falani's who are christians they became they have

00:07:09.160 dreams and visions it's it's not because a missionary or some western person converts them

00:07:13.480 that's a misnomer it's it's somehow they come to know who jesus was through a vision something and

00:07:19.320 they they're they're stuck between a rock and a hard place because if they tell anyone in their

00:07:23.180 family that they've converted to christianity they'll be killed yeah and at the same time they

00:07:27.160 got to cover that and make sure they don't expose themselves so it's hard okay so so why don't you guys

00:07:33.100 go ahead and and give a little more backstory on you said that the it was the what this 1907

00:07:40.300 jihad is what the 1804 oh 1804 jihad so this has been going on for you know 200 years um can you give

00:07:47.800 a little can you give a little of the history for that is the they declared a caliphate they said

00:07:52.060 and then they were essentially decided that it was time to to engage in in jihad get engage in holy

00:07:58.840 war um how is it that they have how how have they been trying to carry out the jihad and why has it

00:08:06.080 kicked up in the past 20 years or has it kicked up in the past 20 years is it just that the

00:08:10.040 information gets out more um more readily because of the internet i don't imagine that there's a lot

00:08:16.080 of people or that 20 years ago there were a lot of people with with uh internet capable phones you

00:08:21.260 know that's something that came in the past 10 years if it's if it is you know out there because i know

00:08:25.680 that you know facebook was doing a lot to try and bring the internet to people and and in africa and

00:08:31.120 they were spending a lot of money and they were giving out phones and building infrastructure and

00:08:35.120 in the phones they had you know facebook built in that's that was one of the things that facebook

00:08:38.720 um is famous for doing is like spreading facebook by spreading the internet um and so that that makes

00:08:46.300 sense that the information would get out in the past 10 years but this is something that's been

00:08:49.860 going on so can you give me a little more bit of backstory about the the actual uh history of the

00:08:54.120 i'll do the backstory then you take it to modern day yeah sure so the history so there's different

00:08:59.520 kingdoms that were set up all throughout west africa right but then the night 1804 uh fulani

00:09:04.780 declared jihad because he thought all the muslims that were there weren't worshiping the way they

00:09:11.120 should so he slaughtered killed people that wouldn't go about the way he wanted to set up uh the emirates

00:09:17.200 different locations with different emirates and the the the emir has to be a fulani and those exist to

00:09:23.840 this day the emir of sokoto the sultan of tokoto there's the kano there's different places where

00:09:28.920 these emirs live or they they rule and they have to be fulani and so that backstory that history

00:09:35.700 still remains to this day fast forward to nigerian independence we celebrated october 1st uh 1960 the

00:09:42.980 british came in 19 late 1800s did they were just taking slaves they were taking the resources and then

00:09:49.720 exploring them but they they worked with the tribal groups to try to rule by uh exemption they weren't

00:09:56.820 there in in the country or they were there but they they ruled through these leaders and and the

00:10:01.240 fulani had that sort of central system the emir the sultan so they figured out let's use them to rule

00:10:07.700 and and and to take this further into the south and then that's how to this day we'll talk with judd

00:10:13.620 we'll talk more about that how it became today but to this day fulani's are in power strategically to

00:10:19.900 rule and they've 36 states in in nigeria 12 of them are allowed to practice sharia law which is

00:10:26.660 against the constitution you're not supposed to have an opposing political belief but they they're

00:10:31.620 they're allowed 12 states because those are in the is the nigerian constitution similar to the united

00:10:36.700 states or is it patterned after patterned after okay they started with the parliamentary system

00:10:40.380 yeah in 1960 but then by three years later they decided to become a republican copy the the u.s

00:10:46.020 constitution so the three houses of government yeah okay yeah so continue to what's going on now is

00:10:54.280 9 11 2001 in nigeria they executed a major major attack killing over a thousand christians

00:11:03.620 in one swoop and that was kind of their mark in the sand that the jihad is starting again

00:11:10.460 and ever since then so we say over the last 20 years they have been actively moving and systematically

00:11:17.160 been restarted the jihad and conquering territory there was a during the british there was a there was

00:11:23.820 peace there's really peace amongst all the tribes and uh because they kind of kept order

00:11:28.180 but go to 2000 9 11 2001 thousand christians get killed and then systematically moving so it was

00:11:36.920 right after 9 11 but was it like on the same day oh really so they did it they did it in conjunction

00:11:41.220 same day in conjunction and that's another thing no one talks about major attack happened thousand

00:11:46.720 christians die in nigeria got no attention whatsoever no notice but ever since then they have elevated and

00:11:53.500 continued continue their jihad and continue to get more political power and now we're to the point

00:11:59.020 where the last three presidents of nigeria have been muslims and the vice presidents have also been

00:12:06.600 muslims muslim muslim tickets and isn't that no is it my nigeria muslim majority country now oh it was

00:12:13.040 but no it's still christian majority okay you could ask people they say oh it's 50 50 that's just a

00:12:18.340 general thing but right if you ask christians they'll say they're they're actually more christians

00:12:21.980 than muslims so it's actually majority but uh the last three election cycles have been muslim muslim

00:12:26.880 tickets and that has allowed i say political cover for these terrorists to run around the country

00:12:33.940 unimpeded with ak-47s and all sorts of other uh military style weapons going around and doing killing

00:12:40.900 while nigeria's a country that banned guns okay yeah to have a gun in nigeria you have to

00:12:48.320 register and typically it's for hunting you can't if you use it on a human even if you're defending

00:12:52.700 your house someone's coming in you shoot them you could go to jail so it's a it's i mean there are

00:12:57.740 states in the united states where where that's the case you know if you're in new jersey or or

00:13:01.660 massachusetts or illinois or any other there's probably seven or eight different states where

00:13:06.880 that's the case but yeah but for some reason terrorists a band of motorcycles with ak-47s and rpgs

00:13:13.080 just blow by the police and the military they're at nigeria they let them go right on by

00:13:17.320 why is that so it's typical of leftist governments to be honest with you but go ahead yeah it's uh

00:13:23.140 there's a lot of reasons as to why and we can go into the corruption uh talk later about how a lot

00:13:29.140 of nigerian government officials are on the take they're being paid off and some of them are even

00:13:32.840 profiting off of the activities of the terrorists through their kidnapping the extortion uh the stealing

00:13:38.460 of lands and the jizya they're having making the farmers pay in the communities um but it's corrupt

00:13:44.160 from the top down but uh many of these there are politicians that are on the take and uh profiting

00:13:49.240 off of this so like uh that's kind of something that alexander solzhenitsyn was talking about in

00:13:55.680 the soviet union he he mentioned or he discussed how if the if a criminal someone that was you know

00:14:03.760 living outside of the rules not trying to obey the law and stuff if he was caught with a knife or with

00:14:10.900 a weapon they would say well you know he doesn't know any better and and he this is just his nature

00:14:16.100 so we have to forgive him and forget and etc whereas if a normal person that's trying to live within the

00:14:21.060 rules is caught with a weapon well you know you should have known better and and they'll throw the

00:14:25.340 book at you um is there a lot of of leftist policy that's being being implemented in nigeria or is it

00:14:35.560 is it does this is this kind of just emergent where where people that don't have a a western

00:14:42.360 sensibility kind of just just kind of behave that way well they i mean so it's set up oil is their

00:14:49.720 biggest export so they have there's billions of dollars in oil the money for the states and local

00:14:55.480 governments is given by the federal government so the federal government gives us black sum of money

00:14:59.800 to the state to the districts to the the ward so it trickles down so if you're disobeying or you

00:15:05.220 you're doing something that doesn't please the federal government i.e the president or in his

00:15:09.700 administration you could be your money could be withheld so sure there's many things like that that

00:15:14.660 happen at the same time as job is saying that there's people that need extra money so they they

00:15:20.140 confide or they they turn a blind eye to these attacks and the things happen so are they getting paid

00:15:25.520 cash we don't know but there's there's there's increasing evidence that there's some people

00:15:30.080 connected with these uh these terrorists and militants okay so if the if the terrorists or if

00:15:38.480 these these muslim groups the the islamic radicals are are attacking the christians and and they have no

00:15:45.140 way to fight back what do you guys think is the prescription here do you think that there's if the if the

00:15:51.680 government is actually protecting the people that are um attacking do you think that there's any kind

00:15:58.120 of political solution or is it is it something where the the people that are being attacked they're

00:16:02.820 going to have to defend themselves and if they're going to have to defend themselves exactly like what

00:16:06.680 what means because you said there's you know there are gun laws there and and you can't have guns and

00:16:11.780 and so what do you think that the the way for these people to move forward is so the i'll do the first

00:16:18.420 one on the terrorists so the terrorists boko ram i swap up in the northeast borno that's being handled

00:16:24.020 by the army by the military of the government and i and to say they're doing a good job maybe i don't

00:16:29.320 know but they're at least stopping spread and they're but they're not they haven't defeated them

00:16:33.880 they claim to defeat them five ten years ago but they haven't so they're continually doing stuff with

00:16:38.200 and two against them with the aid of india with pakistan with with the u.s money for military weapons

00:16:44.580 to help combat these but oftentimes they get overrun and those weapons get stolen and and who

00:16:48.900 knows where they end up well i guess we kind of know where they end up you know so then the the

00:16:52.660 terrorists are the one the i saw the i swap the boko ram but then the felony militants is a different one

00:16:58.800 so let me just tell you how explain how things work in nigeria um you know the terrorists

00:17:10.220 a lot of times get their weapons and we got this documented and through testimony they actually rent

00:17:18.560 their weapons from the military for for 24 hours so there's there's there's bad actors in the military

00:17:25.100 and police where they will rent weapons from the police and military for a 24-hour attack and then

00:17:31.220 give the weapons back the day after the attack um some groups in certain parts are well funded they get

00:17:39.260 uh they call it sophisticated weapons in nigeria but they're getting brand new ak-47s uh new russian

00:17:45.920 based ak-47s and that money is coming up from the north so the felani terrorists do coincide and work

00:17:53.460 with isis and they do work with boko haram but they're kind of the i call i refer to them as the viet kong

00:18:00.900 style force you have the north vietnamese army which is well funded orchestrated everything going on well

00:18:06.740 then you have the viet kong which are the renegade boots on the ground they're they're given marching

00:18:12.460 orders and they are executing the jihad in the middle belt while all the tension all the money is being

00:18:21.500 focused on up north now

00:18:24.680 these current politicians and people in power could not be in place without the support of

00:18:33.840 these terror controlled terror these territories controlled by terrorists

00:18:39.080 they couldn't be in power are they getting outside money as well or or is this just something

00:18:44.100 that's coming out of the government we believe that they are getting outside money they're getting

00:18:48.680 outside money from up north from the middle east um from places like turkey saudi arabia um there is

00:18:55.200 funding that is going on in fact we know that there are um several of these terror leaders are getting

00:19:01.540 paid trips to saudi arabia for their you know for their pilgrimage and uh pilgrimage to saudi arabia

00:19:09.020 you have to go to mecca mecca and and they're and they're being funded by folks up in saudi arabia and

00:19:16.100 in the middle east we know that these leaders are doing that and so there's there's definite collusion

00:19:21.760 and you asked about the how the is leftist

00:19:25.940 politics involved well we know that the far left

00:19:29.380 across the world far left governments have been supporting

00:19:32.960 the current president and the previous presidents

00:19:36.820 that have been allowing the killing of christians

00:19:40.460 including democrat

00:19:43.460 operatives from the united states

00:19:45.860 obama operatives david axelrod and company have been in nigeria the last three presidential election

00:19:52.840 cycles helping muslim candidates win offices over christian candidates

00:19:58.600 so there is a collusion of the far left working

00:20:04.180 with the nigeria within the nigerian government and getting bad actors elected

00:20:09.340 and you have this sort of narrative that goes out the terrorists are there let's defeat them we

00:20:15.820 the terror is bad right but this middle belt one this middle area fulani extremist militants

00:20:22.180 we can't say that because that's you're you're denigrating the whole population of fulanis and

00:20:26.800 and we don't want to do that either we know some good fulanis but

00:20:29.380 they're militant some of them are very militant and the good ones can't expose they can't help and they

00:20:35.120 can't uh you know do anything to stop it because they'll be killed themselves so they're

00:20:39.320 turning a blind eye what have you but the narrative that goes out in the u.s and around the world is

00:20:44.220 it's a farmer herder it's an ethnic clash that's why you don't hear about

00:20:47.360 what what sounds better ethnic clash farmer herder or christian genocide sure sure yeah well i mean the

00:20:53.020 the idea of a christian genocide is is you know there are a lot of people in the west that are just

00:20:58.220 allergic to that concept because they they feel like it's a they feel like any kind of um

00:21:05.440 acknowledgement of that is going to be helping their political opponents in the u.s i mean you

00:21:10.860 can bring this up from al jazeera here um bill maher has said there is no christian genocide in

00:21:17.100 nigeria no he didn't so al jazeera is saying this bill maher says there's a systematically killing of

00:21:22.400 christians in nigeria so they're countering his oh okay okay no bill maher there is no christian

00:21:26.740 genocide in nigeria so al jazeera is running uh um you know is running cover for you know

00:21:33.820 essentially what's going on nigeria from al jazeera in recent days coordinated attacks on

00:21:38.260 nigeria's nationhood have swept across social media blogs and television outlets alleging a so-called

00:21:43.340 christian genocide these attacks driven by foreign actors mischaracterize nigeria's domestic conflicts

00:21:48.900 ignore its complexities and manipulate long-standing ethnic and resource-based tension

00:21:54.040 to advance sectarian agendas i mean this doesn't seem like it's particularly surprising from al jazeera

00:22:00.680 considering um where it's based and and the people that fund it but um but is it not a a is it not an

00:22:13.480 issue for the the that christians should be focused on or is it something that that you know is it

00:22:22.120 something that that they could actually convince people it's just tribalism and it has nothing to

00:22:28.300 do with their christianity this particular guy that wrote this article is from the office of vice

00:22:33.880 president of nigeria now the vice president of nigeria has been very well affiliated with bad

00:22:41.960 actors for a very very long time and he's got quite the reputation in nigeria being affiliated with the bad

00:22:46.660 guys now why is there spin and why does the spin hit the u.s al jazeera is one of those publications

00:22:53.340 to to blame for this is because i'll i'll just give you a prime example in june father's day this year

00:23:01.740 280 christians were killed they were half of them were burned alive and the ones that weren't burned

00:23:08.560 alive were trying to escape or hacked to death with machetes children women men elderly yeah

00:23:15.140 i mean it's just a slaughter whoever could get away with slaughter okay

00:23:19.480 al jazeera comes out and they lie about the numbers they say 100 were killed

00:23:28.620 and they call it tribal clashes farmer herda clashes well the fact of the matter is is that

00:23:35.820 when they talk about it like that do they get into the motivation

00:23:38.620 no they never get into the motivation so yeah it's just a clash so regional so here's here's

00:23:45.380 what happens with the news in nigeria okay and this is kind of different for westerners to understand this

00:23:50.280 if a major event happens the government calls for the press conference the government pays the

00:24:00.060 journalists to show up to cover the press conference if the government does not call for a press

00:24:07.360 conference the event never happened but the journalists who are getting paid to cover

00:24:12.340 press conference have to repeat exactly what the government said now you guys had said that the

00:24:19.420 the constitution in nigeria is modeled after western constitutions they don't have so far we've said

00:24:26.560 we we've kind of established that there's no protection for for individual right to self-defense

00:24:31.480 and there's no uh protection for the freedom of the press or freedom of religion or freedom of speech

00:24:37.200 other than that it's all good right yeah right so there's so there's so the so by the time the

00:24:41.480 information gets out and it goes to the ap yeah when it gets the ap it's all filtered through al jazeer

00:24:48.340 and the air and the ap just accepts the narrative that's being sent out they don't have their own

00:24:52.860 they don't i mean obviously there's occasionally they do but even worse still is the data that's

00:24:57.500 compiled that the u.s government looks at ockled acled that if you go to that website they do a

00:25:03.280 good job they try but they're just culling the internet just going through it they got a

00:25:07.520 program they write they get this oh they don't they don't say full-on militants kill they say oh

00:25:12.100 it's a farmer herder clash we'll go those are unknown gunmen that's the other one unknown gunmen

00:25:16.640 let's just call them unknown well we know exactly who they are we call the village find someone there

00:25:20.300 they know exactly who it is and they they're trying to say it but they get stopped so these whole this

00:25:24.280 data system that you see reported is incorrect because all the information being fed by

00:25:28.900 the the so-called journalists in in nigeria aren't reporting accurately right and the and the final

00:25:34.180 filter goes through al jazeer which then goes to the ap okay and so a reason why you don't hear

00:25:41.480 anything especially coming out of mainstream press is one the nigerian government does not hold a press

00:25:46.820 conference it didn't happen and the only time they hold a press conference on something is when

00:25:50.940 there's more than 100 people that were killed you don't hear about the 10 people the 20 people the 30

00:25:56.780 people in the killings never never hits mainstream media unless it's over 100 okay and that's and that

00:26:04.480 is where the bodies are piling up and communities are destroyed and then what no one talks about is

00:26:11.480 after we hear about the killings is after killings well you have survivors that lived in these communities

00:26:17.020 a village of 10 000 village of 5 000 all these people are now removed from their homes and they have to

00:26:23.880 live in camps and so currently right now there's 3.5 million christians that are living in squalor

00:26:31.640 in awful camps and you have been removed from their communities not that i'm some kind of pro-un guy

00:26:39.220 but the un has nothing to say about this they're there but they're where the terrorists are right so

00:26:43.480 everyone focuses on the terrorists because that's a bad word right we want to stop the spread of islamic

00:26:47.580 terrorism great no one's looking at the middle the the the fulani militants action because again

00:26:53.320 it's their own problem let let the government take care of it let them because they're they're the

00:26:57.520 fulani militants because they're not uh officially associated with either broke book of haram or or

00:27:03.200 isis or what have you they don't get any attention and and no pushback from the un or from

00:27:07.980 from international organizations and there's no they don't get help yeah what are you talking about the

00:27:13.340 so all idps the the people that the 3.5 million this place they don't get help they don't get aid

00:27:17.880 and there's no there's no press coverage there's no independent journalists that are down there

00:27:22.480 trying to get the word out and is it is it is it safe for for journalists to go there can they go

00:27:27.280 there and expect to not get killed by by the fulanis so two years ago we created a website called

00:27:32.520 truth nigeria.com to give outlets to citizen journalists in nigeria we have 15

00:27:37.800 troublemaking journalists that risk their lives every day to document these things and that is

00:27:43.500 the only outlet right now of of truth getting out about what's going on nigeria is through truth

00:27:48.860 nigeria.com and uh the we've had we've had our reporters beat they've been detained by the government

00:27:55.760 they've had death threats by the government they have to go undercover they have to uh live in a few

00:28:01.200 different locations and but we are the only ones who've given them an outlet to actually say

00:28:07.500 what's going on otherwise none of the information is getting out and it's not anti-government it's

00:28:12.280 not anti-muslim it's the truth it's just true it's just documenting what's going on yeah okay and

00:28:18.680 so the the nigerian government doesn't want this to get out because it makes the because well they're

00:28:23.480 they're aligned with the fulanis apparently right they they believe they're at the very least they're

00:28:28.160 sympathetic to the to the fulanis uh perspective um and so yeah they're they're not getting any kind of

00:28:34.940 help internationally there's no uh press coverage so how many organizations such as yours are out are

00:28:41.840 actually trying to get information out and and do how effective is it obviously you know you said you

00:28:49.580 live there um you know what kind of resources to the the organizations that are currently there that

00:28:57.000 are trying to get information out what kind of resources do they have and what is the best means to

00:29:02.360 help them do you do in your estimation i i'd say i'll start with my ideally situation and you cover

00:29:06.960 up the emergency yeah ideally we want to be there just to encourage them whatever they need for help

00:29:13.480 with farming you know sustainable agriculture education medical just given giving them a hand up

00:29:19.860 not not a handout right helping them encourage them but because of the crisis because of all the

00:29:24.620 killings you can't do that you're more or less responding in the emergency situation i mean do they

00:29:29.900 need to send green berets in to teach the teach the uh the christians how to fight like see time to

00:29:35.100 get time to get cia involved or something you know we we we we pray for intervention but what resources

00:29:40.780 are going on there's very there's not very many organizations um doing what we do and those of us that

00:29:48.080 are in the fight are underfunded don't have the resources um because it's all private donations we get

00:29:54.780 our organization equipping the persecuted.org gets no government funding um the other local

00:30:00.480 missionaries that are out there that we team up with don't get any big funding and this is a fight

00:30:06.100 we've been in for several years that's why we're all kind of shocked that you know thank you for

00:30:09.980 bringing us on again to talk about this because we've been at this for years yeah we're trying to get

00:30:15.360 the truth out and um so we're very underfunded and the government funding like unicef and the un

00:30:24.260 they're expending resources up at the north and the resources that come in from the un and came in

00:30:31.300 from unicef end up in terrorist hands it never gets to the people that are really suffering and need it

00:30:36.280 that's typical i mean you hear the same kind of argument when it when it's dealing with whether it's

00:30:40.160 you go way back to the 90s when adid was in somalia he would get all the aid from the un it would never

00:30:46.260 make it to the somalian people uh you hear the same narrative when it comes to gaza the that hamas takes

00:30:52.200 all of the aid and controls who does and does not get it so they use it as a a tool to keep the people

00:30:58.480 in line and and so that's something that that's fairly typical of of these type of of regimes where the

00:31:05.540 the government is actually supposed to be uh you know processing the information the the aid and

00:31:11.980 and handing out to the people that need it but really what they end up doing is holding on to

00:31:15.360 it and enriching themselves and it hurts the economy so usad when they pulled the funding yes it did hurt

00:31:20.780 some people that knew the hiv aids medication whatever that that that was a sad reality but

00:31:26.240 those getting food assistance and that kind of something they were rejoicing because the price of

00:31:30.680 take for instance where the terrorists are they were they're bringing in food that was being

00:31:34.660 confiscated sold off at a profit higher margins than they could in other parts of nigeria as soon

00:31:39.840 as that was stopped the price came down and people really this is great so it's market forces at work

00:31:45.420 yeah that's actually it's good to hear that because you know you you hear about all of the you hear from

00:31:49.980 the left people that are are that want wanted usaid to stay in business and stay you know continue to

00:31:56.300 do the things they're doing that you hear about the oh well you know they're not they're gonna be so

00:31:59.540 many people that are gonna die and etc etc um but you don't you don't very often hear oh well you know

00:32:04.580 actually prices came down in this place because you know that there's no longer uh market manipulation

00:32:10.400 by by the the food aid getting sold on the private market yeah instead of delivering aid and giving it

00:32:16.520 to the hungry people that need it they're just taking and selling it off sure and you know magically

00:32:20.800 uh these aid trucks which just happened to break down right in front of terror camps

00:32:24.240 shocking and the food would be gone and then they get back in the trucks and move it and

00:32:29.020 don't get the truck out of the way that way yeah so it was just too heavy you know get the

00:32:33.380 i'll i'll float it so that way i'll sum i'll sum up i'll sum up uh usa and unicef in one story

00:32:40.800 so we've been working with this idp camp in benway uh for a long time we've and we've spent lots of

00:32:47.140 funds getting them out of garbage bag tents and putting them into living structures like that they

00:32:52.260 could live in and we went back to check on the camp and see how things were going uh brought medicine

00:32:57.100 did a medical intervention and i look over and i see four giant garbage cans slapped with us aid

00:33:05.960 and unicef stickers on them i'm going what in the world well you understand in nigeria and

00:33:12.360 especially these camps there's just trash everywhere yeah there's no sanitation system

00:33:16.380 there's no dumps there's no garbage trucks trash is just everywhere and i look at these four giant

00:33:23.440 garbage cans full of trash sitting around trash and i go to the camp i said did usa come by and

00:33:31.400 bring these by they're like yeah i said did they bring any food they're like no i said did they uh

00:33:38.000 do they come back and like help pick up the trash or haul it away they're like no

00:33:42.200 so their magical gift to a camp of 5 000 people living in there was living in garbage bag tents

00:33:49.500 was four garbage cans that was that was our usa contribution and a slap in the face

00:33:59.380 to these people that are starving and dying of disease and they give them garbage cans and that

00:34:03.940 was it yeah and then one other story another another ngo uh uh un group came in and they built

00:34:11.840 them a latrine the latrine filled up they gave them no option to haul out the waste so they have

00:34:22.280 a giant latrine filled with waste oh yeah and no mechanism to empty the waste that's uh that's that's

00:34:30.220 not very that's that's our that's our government dollars at work well i mean that's this is just an

00:34:36.300 argument against usaid i'm like generally i'm i'm of the opinion that aid tends to hurt more than it

00:34:42.760 actually helps because like you were talking about the the people the people that are in charge in most

00:34:48.680 places in the world nowadays particularly in 2025 most places that are that are you know really

00:34:53.660 poverty stricken um it's not that there is not the capacity to get out of poverty it's that they are

00:35:00.140 kept in poverty by the government um you have bad policy i mean the people themselves are completely

00:35:07.680 capable of engaging in markets and and producing their own food it's it's not that they they lack

00:35:13.400 the ability to do that because humans have been doing things like that for thousands of years but

00:35:19.140 uh it's the the the you know generally it's the the governments that prevent those kind of things

00:35:25.700 these people were farmers these people had homes they they were happy doing their farming but it

00:35:33.040 wasn't until these islamic terrorists came in ripped them away from their tribal lands their ancestral lands

00:35:39.540 and shove them in camps and they have nowhere to go they have no way to produce anything

00:35:43.720 because of these terrorists yeah nigeria is not like a desert it's no it's in the uh the more the lush

00:35:50.940 part of one of the it's sub-saharan is one of the more lush parts of it it's it's rich it's rich

00:35:55.580 in agricultural rich and natural resources if you could just get rid of the corruption if you could

00:36:02.600 get rid of the stupid islamic terrorists that are going around killing people and destroying

00:36:10.560 everything they touch nigeria would be the place to go to in africa it would be a great tourist destination

00:36:18.680 be a great place to invest great place for economy um and speaking of which there are people capitalizing

00:36:25.080 off of this terrorism and off of these things and that's the chinese go on the chinese

00:36:31.640 have been moving in and they call it illegal mining all right so the that's illegal mining but they're

00:36:39.140 going in and they're mining out natural resources in the islamic controlled areas of nigeria and

00:36:45.500 let's say there's more land that becomes available christians are kicked off their land and they're

00:36:51.580 sitting on minerals china's coming in doing mining they don't care what all the killing or what's

00:36:56.640 happening around them as long as china gets to do their mining and so there are foreign government

00:37:01.500 interests that are capitalizing on this as well china's in like pretty much every african country

00:37:06.240 yeah if the belt road whatever that started with yeah but they they don't come with any sort of

00:37:12.360 democracy any human rights so they just whatever happens whatever's under the table let me come in i'll

00:37:17.780 i'll i'll build a road for you yeah sure then just let me have this land over here and they hire

00:37:22.720 locals to do it mines are collapsing all the time you know hear stories of this stuff gold mine just

00:37:27.440 collapsed i think the other day so it's like these things are happening and they just when they get

00:37:31.240 their truck loaded up find a port they built a port in lagos a deep sea port which is great for

00:37:38.660 shipping vessels but also military vessels yeah so how is china you know allowed to do this they just

00:37:44.040 cut these crazy deals and then russia is also throughout west africa they're in mali niger burkina

00:37:49.560 faso so you know you get the whole gamut of communism coming in yeah and and uh and our inaction as a

00:37:57.020 united states government in foreign policy i mean during the biden years the operating directive was

00:38:02.880 lgbtq yeah feminism uh women's empowerment had nothing to do with is that are only going to alienate

00:38:11.440 the the the americans from whatever uh whatever culture they're trying to actually help allegedly

00:38:18.160 trying to help so so that was the operating directive from from our u.s embassy so they're

00:38:23.080 focused on all this stuff while there's killing there's terrorism uh china and russia are taking

00:38:28.460 over africa and the united states foreign policy was social issues yeah and they're often chasing

00:38:34.780 china so anytime chinese diplomats government come over to africa nigeria they're they're two weeks

00:38:41.160 behind they've already made their china's made their deals now america shows up and what are you

00:38:45.260 going to do well china's offered us this you know can you beat that and they can't you know because

00:38:49.780 they want to tie it in with human rights and all this other stuff yeah the the u.s is is this is this

00:38:54.960 goes back to uh an argument that that is often made about whether or not the united states should have

00:39:00.960 um political influence in other countries and and while it does produce situations like we

00:39:11.020 had where there was so much bs going on right look with your with your lgbtqia kind of garbage being

00:39:19.580 forced on cultures that that just flat out reject that uh alienating the the americans from whatever

00:39:26.160 the local population thinks or whether it be any other um you know ideologically motivated stuff

00:39:33.200 that's in in significant conflict with what tend to be religious you know religious uh tribal whether

00:39:39.140 be tribes or or religious your cultures um is it better for the united states to step back now

00:39:46.460 there's a lot of people that when they hear america first they think that the u.s shouldn't worry about

00:39:51.640 the rest of the world and whereas i'm the kind of america first kind of dude that thinks well the united

00:39:57.620 states is not alone and it's better for the united states to be able to influence countries than to

00:40:04.640 not like influence them in ways that are that benefit the united states and i think that allowing

00:40:12.020 um allowing countries like china and like russia to go in and not actually do anything that helps the

00:40:21.160 the the host countries um i think it's probably worse for the united states because the united states

00:40:27.580 gets nothing out of it except for countries that are hostile to the united states well and then you

00:40:32.660 we have to look at it this way is that there is vast untapped natural resources minerals you name

00:40:40.460 it in africa um if united states does not have a hand in that it will hurt the united states in the

00:40:46.020 future well someone's going to yes so if we sit back and we don't engage with other countries and

00:40:52.280 policy in other countries um you're those people that are i say america first isolationists

00:40:58.560 they are advocating for the same foreign policy our adversaries want

00:41:03.480 if you take the u.s out of the equation china and russia become more powerful and if china and russia

00:41:10.500 becomes more powerful united states loses its influence and we become weak yeah so and i look

00:41:17.060 putting america first it means you do things that benefit america that doesn't mean that you step

00:41:23.880 away from the rest of the world because that puts america in a weaker position that's what rubio's

00:41:28.940 policy is safer stronger prosperous yeah how do you do that in nigeria there's many ways you know

00:41:34.060 you're not just focusing on america he's not that's not his intent his intent is how does this make

00:41:38.760 america safer getting involved nigeria how does it make america stronger figuring out things in nigeria

00:41:43.880 how does it make it more prosperous those are things that have to be it's not i i i'll be the first

00:41:48.220 person to say that it's not america first to leave tons of weapons in afghanistan that's that's not

00:41:54.000 good a good thing for the united states but cutting deals that allow american companies to to produce

00:42:02.040 uh to get you know minerals or to get uh natural resources out of of an african country as opposed to

00:42:10.880 in a way that is going to actually produce profit for the people of that country right as opposed to

00:42:17.600 allowing china or russia to go in and acquire these colonies uh modern day colonial absolutely

00:42:23.900 absolutely so and and the the chinese and the russian companies i mean the nigerians hate yeah

00:42:31.180 hate working for them because they get treated like garbage they get treated like indentured servants

00:42:37.700 if they end up working for the chinese and russian companies american business comes in with principle

00:42:43.680 with values that it benefits the country it benefits us and we see that if if we move into a country and

00:42:54.320 um we're doing business we believe that prosperity for all makes everybody better yeah and i i want to

00:42:59.900 on that note i want to put a pin on that because there's gonna be a lot of people that are going to

00:43:03.580 hear that and they're going to think oh well you know when we had uh usa id we were sharing american

00:43:10.100 values and they're like we talked about they're they're sharing the lgbtq ideology and and they're

00:43:15.460 sharing sharing a lot of progressive ideas that aren't just uh foreign to these these countries

00:43:22.760 that are are oftentimes their their cultures based in their religion but they're also foreign to the

00:43:27.800 united states these are these are things that that the united states doesn't agree on right like

00:43:31.940 these these ideas like the idea that men can become women that that that goes hand in hand with the

00:43:37.240 lgbtq id you know stuff like that um that that's not something that the american people agree on in

00:43:43.420 fact that's that's another 80 20 issue americans don't think by and large that you can change your

00:43:49.680 gender or i don't even like the term gender i think gender is just a made-up word to to to allow for

00:43:54.640 these ideas to be spread um and i can assure you that 99.9999999 percent of nigerians would agree

00:44:00.640 yeah yeah you try to so you put a pile of money on the table and you start talking about equality and

00:44:08.060 dei things yeah all they're looking at is that money because they know usad has money you know

00:44:14.080 donors eu whoever has money whatever you want we'll do it whatever report you want us to write we know

00:44:18.540 how to write it just give it keep that money coming keep that tap open yeah it's funding dog and pony

00:44:23.940 shows and uh but so preventing that stuff is is like largely on the united states yes yeah you know

00:44:32.500 i mean granted i'm i'm extremely happy that the that usaid has been shut down i'm glad that the trump

00:44:38.680 administration is doing all the things that it's doing to prevent the the the exporting of of ideas

00:44:46.540 that are even foreign to the u.s right they're they're not ideas that the united states by and large

00:44:51.500 the american people agree with um so then how do you provide support or how do you like what if you

00:45:01.160 were to sit down with marco rubio what would you want him to to say about nigeria that in what what

00:45:08.880 way would you you want to hear the united states help in nigeria i would say there is a lot of business

00:45:17.280 to be done in nigeria and i think it could be a win-win situation for the united states

00:45:22.100 broker mineral rights deals with the nigerian government but also predicate a major investment

00:45:28.840 into nigeria on the safety and security of the people say we'll invest x amount of dollars but

00:45:35.500 you guys and we'll help you along the way get rid of this security issue get rid of this terrorism

00:45:40.260 nonsense so we can see nigeria be a prosperous nation will a muslim government do that or do

00:45:46.800 they need to add will the will the the will a christian need to win the election and become

00:45:52.020 the president and vice president can they do that we we would i i would prefer i would prefer better

00:45:56.960 leadership but i say we can get i say the united states can give nigeria an offer it can't refuse

00:46:03.400 and end this violence and this nonsense and there is a win-win scenario uh we've done the numbers we

00:46:11.320 looked at it on paper and we have been we have been giving the administration this information

00:46:17.340 and how to look at nigeria but the first things first is the u.s government needs to identify who

00:46:24.040 the enemy is who the terrorists actually are it's not just boko haram and isis it's the fulani

00:46:29.980 militants the radical islamist fulani that are killing all the christians attention keeps being

00:46:36.500 diverted away so we have to identify who the bad guys are before we can get success well is it

00:46:42.000 something is it practical to think that the people that are telling the story about what's going on in

00:46:47.580 nigeria is it practical to think that they can actually manage to spin a narrative that that will

00:46:54.320 identify the fulani that are bad without you know without without making everyone think that the

00:47:01.840 fulani by and large are bad because and because the reason i well the reason i ask is because

00:47:08.120 americans are familiar with the name boko haram americans are familiar with the name isis those two

00:47:12.840 groups yeah al-qaeda these things are easy for americans to understand and if you're going to try and

00:47:17.920 convince the americans that this is something that they should care about just saying fulani which is a

00:47:23.660 name most i've i'd never heard the fulani the name fulani before today most americans are going to say

00:47:28.960 well who are they right and and then you say well it's a tribal thing and then then they're going to

00:47:33.600 go back to oh then it's just tribal clashes so how do you how do you fix that so we we refer to them

00:47:38.520 as the fulani ethnic militia yeah we can't classify all fulani people is wrong term yeah fulani ethnic

00:47:47.300 militia okay that's what that's what we're calling them that's what they're called so they're the

00:47:51.980 fulani ethnic militia that separates the those fulani from the good fulani um because these are

00:47:59.080 the militants they're the militia and the thing is the nigerian government knows who the leaders are

00:48:03.560 they know the command structure they know how it operates we know the command structure and who the

00:48:08.280 leaders are and how it operates okay and there is clearly identifiable you know where the headquarters

00:48:15.000 is they know where they meet this could easily be dealt with with willpower and done very quickly

00:48:21.160 okay so on that point i'm going to go to this uh this bit from newsweek card if you want to bring

00:48:27.840 this up uh the from newsweek trump administration deeply concerned by violence against christians

00:48:33.180 in nigeria the state department has told newsweek that it is deeply concerned about the levels of

00:48:41.080 violence against christians and members of other groups in nigeria it comes after american comedian

00:48:46.100 bill maher brought attention to the high number of christians being killed by islamic militant

00:48:49.540 groups such as boko haram in parts of nigeria the country is generally pushed back against

00:48:54.220 narratives that christians are being systematically killed in a genocide attempt as mar described it

00:48:58.740 with nigeria's foreign nigeria's ministry of foreign affairs saying in march that the terrorism in

00:49:04.400 the country is not driven by religious bias nor targeted against any particular religious groups

00:49:09.480 now this is this is the the existing government which you guys are saying is run essentially by

00:49:15.120 the the muslims which are in at least sympathetic to the the milani right if you're not stopping it

00:49:21.920 you're complicit sure let me give you a story 2018 then president buhari came to the rose garden had

00:49:27.500 discussion with trump a girl named leah 2018 you said 2018 so he was president two terms so he lasted

00:49:33.140 eight years he came a girl named leah sharib who was kidnapped a month two months before this has

00:49:39.500 been going on by terrorists taking girls forcibly converting them it was terrible it's tragic he

00:49:44.460 confronts buhari and says what are you doing to christians i hear there's one girl still captive you

00:49:48.980 need to free her why why why are they killing christians i was on my way to nigeria when that

00:49:53.480 speech was being made i was in a governor's office and he says all hell's breaking this i said what's

00:49:58.120 going on he said your president said something yesterday and all the generals all the government is

00:50:02.760 showing trying to save face they're trying to respond to this same thing happened so that was

00:50:06.840 the flani is also helping with the terrorist things started to happen when trump said something

00:50:11.700 the world the nigeria responded well this particular piece that i was watching in in or that i was

00:50:16.840 reading from in newsweek that was this was october 1st that was two or three days ago do you do you

00:50:21.160 get the sense or do you add to any of your contacts in in nigeria did they have they noticed this i think

00:50:26.580 bill marsh started it i think this you know there's senator cruz has uh in uh introduced legislation

00:50:33.440 and then congressman uh uh chris smith has done that as well so when people say things they're

00:50:38.560 ecstatic because we both know that no legislation is going through congress right like it's just not

00:50:42.840 going to happen like i mean it might get through the house but it's definitely not going to get

00:50:46.740 through the senate because the senate they just don't have the votes for republicans and anything that

00:50:50.360 the democrats can do to stymie the republicans that's what we're focusing on trump yeah that's why

00:50:54.540 it's why we're trying to get to trump and the trump administration look even trump saying a few

00:50:59.560 words changed the scope for a while in nigeria you saw the killings shrink and drop down does your

00:51:07.540 organization have any contact with people at state yes yeah okay i i just came back from dc i've been

00:51:12.620 meeting with the state department okay um and and you know providing them information about what's going

00:51:17.240 on the problem is is like i said for the last four years uh the u.s embassy had an operating directive

00:51:23.640 focusing on stupid social issues sure and i met with the u.s embassy in abuja they had no idea

00:51:30.260 what's going on outside their doors in abuja they didn't know about the killing can't leave the

00:51:33.840 grounds they can't leave the grounds they can't go anywhere the nigerian staff can go out but the

00:51:38.580 american staff but but the information that they get about what's happening in nigeria is coming from

00:51:42.700 the nigerian government yeah so they whatever they're selling they're buying 100 you know whatever

00:51:47.560 the nigerian government's telling them the u.s embassy was one of a congressmen was are they still

00:51:52.540 currently we don't know well we're things have been shaken up has there been new staff put into

00:51:57.840 place like i mean it's on its way in okay it's on its way in so we're hoping that we build new

00:52:03.420 relationships with them and we can actually inform them on what's going on like i said truth nigeria

00:52:08.920 our reporters on the ground whenever there's attack our guys are on the ground interviewing people

00:52:12.660 eyewitnesses now for news we and for people saying well it's not religiously motivated it's not

00:52:18.880 religiously motivated it's a lie from the pit of hell that has been spread by islamist and islamic

00:52:26.380 countries all over the world ever since its inception it's not religiously motivated we're

00:52:31.140 nice people let us in the thousands of christians are being killed there over 20 000 churches have

00:52:36.600 been attacked or destroyed how many mosques yeah i mean how many yeah no laws have been destroyed

00:52:41.120 few but you guys are probably familiar with with uh christopher hitchens passed away of cancer a couple

00:52:46.400 years back uh and uh he had a saying that islam has bloody borders and it generally you know any

00:52:52.900 place where where a sufficiently large population of of you know muslims in comes in contact with

00:53:00.200 people that have a different religion or different uh different culture there tends to be clashes and

00:53:04.800 fights and violence so that's not really particularly surprising so so it comes in three forms it comes

00:53:10.760 with cultural jihad we move in populate and and every village every village tells me the same story

00:53:18.280 the survivors of these attacks every single time tells me the same story they're like we had neighbors

00:53:23.840 we live with live next to them for 30 years full on we lived with the fulani for 30 years our children

00:53:29.540 played together we did business together uh everything was fine until the one day

00:53:34.200 the one day they just weren't in town that one day and then that an hour later boom militants okay so

00:53:41.140 essentially they're they're they're informing the fulani yes or they're providing cover or they're

00:53:46.100 providing cover or partaking in the attacks themselves well yeah every village every attack

00:53:53.140 says the same story and when they come in they shout allahu akbar they're going after the churches they

00:54:03.160 they go after the churches first they desecrate the churches and burn the churches and they go

00:54:06.980 after the pastors they behead the pastors they kill the pastors it is religious because this is how

00:54:14.320 islam has conquered every nation since its inception since 640 a.d it is how it is conquered and there are

00:54:23.180 more moderate muslims that have uh you know um leaving that kind of ideology but the ideology that is with

00:54:31.040 the fulani ethnic militia is the same islam that has conquered and believes in killing anybody that

00:54:37.260 gets in their way that doesn't agree with them and it's right so you're saying oh there's muslims

00:54:41.800 being killed too yeah right because they're non-fulani muslims that's why they're being killed

00:54:45.620 but at the same level but there's there an is there a difference between are they sunni muslims

00:54:51.240 because i i've sunni salif is that that's what they are right the fulani the fulani's that are doing

00:54:55.660 killing are sunni the muslims that end up getting killed by them they're sunni there's a small group of

00:55:00.160 shias and they're based in one area they're being attacked by the government but also could be the

00:55:05.820 fulani too that's great for them yeah but it but it's that is cultural because they're not you're not

00:55:10.700 you're not of the pure blood of fulani so you're not a true muslim unless you do this or we don't

00:55:15.420 even care about you we'll get rid of you you're not part of our emirate you know okay you're a slave

00:55:18.720 because that's what the emirate did in 1804 they took on more almost as many slaves as the british

00:55:24.100 were exporting out of africa so they had just as many slaves across their kingdoms so

00:55:29.780 yep so and it still exists slavery still exists in nigeria in in where where the islam is so

00:55:37.940 i want to talk about another issue that had that needs to be brought up is we have the killings

00:55:43.000 you have the displaced the 3.5 million displaced but we have a major kidnap problem going on in

00:55:48.600 nigeria where right now right now we know of over 1 000 christians that are currently being held

00:55:55.760 hostage they're being beaten and starved to death and they're trying to be ransomed out this is just

00:56:00.660 one area we know of now here's the thing the nigerian government knows where these people are

00:56:05.000 we know where the where the hostage camps are nothing's being done to rescue these people and we know

00:56:12.100 that there's multiple camps like this in other states but what i know of for sure is a thousand

00:56:16.840 christians are being held captive right now being beaten and starved to death

00:56:20.780 and people that are trying to pay the ransom are going bankrupt having to sell everything they

00:56:26.320 own just to get their people out and if ransom isn't paid they're getting shot they take a phone

00:56:33.540 they kept they kidnap people students children women and they film them being beaten pay money now

00:56:39.040 or this is going to continue and that's how they so they're sending messages recording it so you get

00:56:43.880 the cell data you can get all that information it's not not rock science you do satellites or drones

00:56:48.380 yeah find where they are they happen to be all christian because they pay they pay christians

00:56:53.000 don't want to see this they pay up muslims won't pay they get kidnapped really they just well

00:56:57.900 they're martyred so so they know you know okay opportunity yeah i'm so i'm just i'm kind of still

00:57:06.460 at a loss for for what the actual you know save for covert operations by state which i mean that might be

00:57:15.060 something that the the state department's entertaining um but there's not a significant

00:57:19.280 appetite for that in the u.s nowadays you know like especially after you know with with trump going in

00:57:25.200 and into getting into office again and saying that that we're going to focus on the united states i

00:57:29.860 mean you can see it in the chat there's a lot of people that are saying well they don't see how this

00:57:33.360 is america's problem right so there are some people that are like well they're christians there and

00:57:37.140 a lot of a lot of america america first people tend to be religious so they're like well you know maybe

00:57:42.020 because they're christians but there's a lot of people that are america first that are like i don't

00:57:45.220 see how this is an american problem i don't see how this is this is something that we have to worry

00:57:49.260 about we have have our own problems here which um you know i agree in principle the the idea that

00:57:56.660 the united states should be looking after itself first um and then they they bring up the the actual

00:58:01.980 monetary cost but anytime anyone brings up the monetary cost i'm like look man if you're not talking

00:58:06.880 about about medicare medicaid and social security you're not talking about fixing

00:58:10.900 any problem at all all of the right i'm i'm against um like we were talking about earlier this

00:58:16.700 earlier in the show i'm against foreign aid because it tends to actually um distort markets and it it

00:58:23.860 prevents countries from taking care of themselves so i'm against foreign aid in principle um but if

00:58:29.660 they stop if the u.s stops all foreign aid to all other countries it's not going to fix our deficit

00:58:34.180 it's not going to fix our monetary issues so two things one nigerians are here in america already

00:58:39.960 they've been born here they've some have immigrated here as they're nigerian born there's over a million

00:58:44.520 nigerians for in texas in atlanta you know they say atlanta is the second biggest nigerian city right

00:58:50.040 and and if you talk to nigerians that are in the united states they tend to be extremely industrious

00:58:55.160 they tend to to be um be very successful in in opening businesses and stuff so so the the idea that

00:59:02.220 that um if there are nigerians that are coming to the u.s that they're coming to to get on to some kind

00:59:07.140 of social support i think that that's actually no you know they want to work they don't they don't

00:59:11.260 nigeria nigerians when they move to america they make uh like 15 percent more per capita yeah than

00:59:17.680 the average white person because they're they're so industrious and they are hard-working people so

00:59:23.140 they're not coming in here trying to get on the dole on the system they they want to hustle and they

00:59:27.820 want to make a good living the second thing i was going to say is that you you have this radicalized

00:59:33.180 young muslim who wants to change bring about change for their felony for terrorism whatever

00:59:40.320 they get they get trained they end up sneaking across the desert going into europe some of i've

00:59:47.320 ever watched these shows this guy who travels the border and he sees id cards and perhaps what people

00:59:53.320 leave behind is they're crossing the border illegally yeah nigerians are already there so you can't tell

00:59:58.120 me that this won't that this is not affect americans because they're coming in either for a handout maybe

01:00:04.200 but maybe something worse so how do we stop that you know we joke we have is that this could be solved

01:00:09.140 in six months no money maybe it's a flight ticket maybe some jet fuel you know masad bulis is a nigerian

01:00:14.980 lebanese guy his son michael is married to who tiffany trump he knows nigeria send him over we'll show him

01:00:23.620 who the real nigerians are talk to them bring them to the government and say how do we solve this in

01:00:28.460 six months let's make a deal so do you think that it is something that could that just you know just

01:00:36.220 the right people going in and and talking could because it's my i mean from what i've been hearing

01:00:41.380 in this conversation the problem is at a government of nigeria level i mean i understand that donald trump

01:00:47.340 does have you know if trump says okay we're going to do this or trump points you know if you get the eye

01:00:52.480 of soran which is the united states government you get the eye of soran on you on you people tend to

01:00:56.500 to make make changes in their policy um but is that something that the that is would only be

01:01:03.320 changes to save face and they wouldn't be substantive changes no there would be substantive changes um we've

01:01:10.680 seen it we've seen it work before all we like i said all we need is willpower and a very very little

01:01:17.200 acknowledgement from the trump administration and if there's some resources a tiny tiny drop in the

01:01:24.100 bucket would change nigeria overnight okay so so what is it that you have got that you said you've

01:01:31.700 been to to state and and and you're talking to people at state um are they making any kind of

01:01:36.780 commitments or are they just giving you lip service or what's the what's going on in in dc for this

01:01:41.640 well they're they're fact finding uh the state department's been upended a lot of people have

01:01:46.400 been fired from the state department uh depart things have been consolidated the entire infrastructure

01:01:52.400 of the state department has been totally uh totally changed and so you think the situation is their way

01:01:59.380 you're we're we're kind of waiting for a state to kind of get its feet back underneath it after all of

01:02:04.320 the the changes from from the government yeah so that that's what's been happening so i've been

01:02:09.060 meet with state over the last several months now we're to a point where they got their footing

01:02:13.320 they have their directives they know what they're looking to do and they're and they're looking for

01:02:17.300 information real information um about what's happening and they're taking us very very seriously

01:02:24.000 and um there is a win-win scenario u.s could invest in nigeria in return for mineral rights and

01:02:31.680 research resources to get a return on their investment back predicated on the security of the country

01:02:37.260 that and that way there's no money being lost and it's a gain for our country i mean simply just

01:02:46.280 having them showing them saying like we're as americans we're not coming in to solve your problem

01:02:50.780 we're coming here to to say what the world is saying so here's what's going on here's what you need to do

01:02:55.660 to change how can you stop this corruption remove some of these political corrupt people how do you

01:03:01.660 help your own people reinvest some of that money some some some politicians have properties all over

01:03:07.120 the world some people are just exposed extorting money from from eu from the u.s how do we stop that

01:03:14.800 these are the you need to show us this this and this do it yourself how do you do it yourself do it you

01:03:19.980 know it's not it's not that you need to show a billion dollars we don't need that we've had that for

01:03:24.520 almost 20 years going into nigeria it's done nothing so it can be stopped which is i mean like right

01:03:30.120 this that's exactly why i say that you know the the problem isn't actually about funding or anything

01:03:35.620 or or i think that the the the idea of aid is miss you know aid is generally misallocated and i think

01:03:43.740 the ideas behind aid are are erroneous like you don't actually produce you very rarely get the results

01:03:50.240 you want when you send money and food aid and and stuff you you end up making a client nation or a

01:03:56.000 client population tendency yeah it depends well the the biggest problem is is that when the aid would

01:04:02.020 come through they're working with government officials yeah that's problem number one even

01:04:07.760 if it's a non-government organization they'll register something as a non-profit and then yeah but that's

01:04:12.180 that's that isn't that kind of always what other what other means of delivery is there if the

01:04:18.300 government is in charge right uh ostensibly and the government is corrupt then providing any aid is

01:04:25.220 just providing support to the people that are oppressing the people in in nigeria well in our

01:04:30.660 case at equipping the persecuted um we're privately funded but when we go in with aid we don't work

01:04:36.780 with government officials we go in we vet we identify the people that need it and go through a whole

01:04:41.720 vetting process and we get them the aid they need and we assess the situation so because we don't work

01:04:47.980 with government officials when aids delivered we deliver it effectively and make sure the people

01:04:52.020 that need it get it and he doesn't want to do that i don't want to go to nigeria i'm sick of doing

01:04:56.260 help people that are persecuted i want to help people get a hand up right i want to help people

01:04:59.780 have sustainable agriculture work with their livestock just get a better education i don't

01:05:04.620 want to do things for them i don't want to provide things i want to see them do it but just give them

01:05:08.700 maybe try this maybe try that maybe tell me what would work you know how do we help you and the best

01:05:14.060 thing we do is get these people back to their land yeah back to their farms back to their land so

01:05:18.960 they're displaced they can't they can't they're often in some neighbor's place or to school or not

01:05:23.360 not there's not like refugee are there refugee camps but refugee camps but they're not they don't get

01:05:28.560 refugee uh refugee camp material and things from that's the terrorists the terrorist camp have those

01:05:35.340 u.m places there's several up there well funded they have the nice tents they get the infrastructure

01:05:40.100 the persecuted christians are getting nothing so that the the felani militants yeah are looked at as

01:05:48.720 refugees no no no no they're nomadic so they're coming around and they're driving people off their

01:05:54.140 land so they go to a christian village where there's christians living and they're farming so

01:05:58.600 they're living here they farm there so they're living and farming in their area they come in they

01:06:03.000 drive them out no longer can they go back to the farm or they can they risk it a lot of times they

01:06:07.380 end up being killed or the felani come and cut like right now it's it's uh harvest season so they're

01:06:11.980 going and cutting down crops corn that's growing maize that's growing up is being chopped down so they can't

01:06:17.160 use it you know it's not fully reached fruition so they're cutting it down so they're they're

01:06:21.600 destroying their farms they're destroying their farms destroying it just because they're they're

01:06:25.240 they don't want them to have success they don't want to have them be sustainable so i'm i'm still i'm

01:06:32.220 still not quite sure like what it is that the the the solution or what the united states can do

01:06:39.120 and when i say can do i'm not just talking about like what the u.s is capable of doing because i mean

01:06:44.540 look look if the u.s wanted to the u.s could go in and take the government out and take over and

01:06:48.440 make it a state if they wanted to but i'm talking about like what is something that the the american

01:06:53.280 people are going to have the stomach for and if if the the the american people aren't going to have

01:07:00.520 enough of a stomach to do what's necessary to actually help how do you convince them because a

01:07:05.860 lot of a lot of you know what i'm hearing is look you know the u.s can do it well we live in a world

01:07:12.160 where america generally doesn't have an appetite for you know for for military adventurism right and

01:07:20.520 and i think that you could probably convince most americans look if we're sending some green berets

01:07:25.620 in to teach the the you know teach the the people that are oppressed how to fight they might be able

01:07:31.620 to do that but it doesn't sound like the christians have any kind of organized resistance you said

01:07:35.860 yourself they don't even have guns so they're they're not going to be be able to to prop up some kind

01:07:41.720 of militia that can fight the felonnie so i'm i'm still i'm still kind of at a loss as to what to do

01:07:46.560 here it very well could happen it very well could happen part of our ministry and what we do is we

01:07:51.960 work with village security teams so that's risen in the last five years vigilant to come vigilante

01:07:57.000 which is a bad word for us it's a local people who are trained by hunters how to use weapons how to

01:08:02.700 defend villages any any attack they respond first and we've been working with village security teams

01:08:08.100 and and given them training and given and it has been successful at thwarting off attacks

01:08:12.220 and saving a lot of lives uh which separates us from other missions because we do get our hands

01:08:18.280 dirty a little bit and working with uh working with these guys and there is a sense there is a thing

01:08:24.940 and even uh local christian governors are saying you know what guys government's not protecting you

01:08:30.080 go defend your own land yeah go defend your own land former leaders have said that too christians

01:08:35.220 you need to defend yourself and um nigerians and so we're doing everything we can on a legal basis

01:08:40.320 like we're just we're a non-profit i can't give them weapons but we can't give them training

01:08:45.140 we can give we can show them basic uh intelligence gathering methods and measures to prevent and thwart

01:08:53.940 off attacks to save lives and that's what we've been doing on the ground out there and so it is very

01:08:58.380 possible and there is a very motivated group that uh uh if if they had a leg up

01:09:03.680 so how do you convince americans and state department that that's where that's a worthy

01:09:09.340 cause but so that that's that's a stopgap that that's that's because you're not doing anything

01:09:13.380 the big thing is america's the the superpower no one's denying that nigerians don't deny that

01:09:18.640 they respect everything america does when trump says nigeria's a shithole they said you're right

01:09:24.300 it is you know we need help you know so europe needs to be told this is what you can do to help

01:09:29.540 you're not going to get any help from europe i don't believe i don't buy that you know what i'm

01:09:32.760 saying he was in the un condemning the eu and all that britain needs to help it's your colony

01:09:37.560 fix it help us you know do something instead of doing this let's do this so these kind of things can

01:09:42.620 be taught no money maybe a plane ticket maybe jet fuel just conversations and by the way i just want

01:09:48.660 to say this as far as the eu is concerned they've come out and said that the killing is occurring

01:09:52.560 because of climate change that's another one i'm not kidding i did not make that up thanks eu

01:09:57.900 isn't cow manure isn't that the biggest yeah all these people are being killed because of climate

01:10:01.980 change according to the eu so you can tell you where their mind is clowns right now even if it

01:10:08.720 was climate change the filenier they say because of the encroachment the the the the arable lands

01:10:14.380 are being pushed south and the filenier got to come down further they're still finding christians

01:10:18.280 to kill so if it's climate change great but the primary driver the sahara is desert so the north

01:10:25.060 of madjira is pretty much desert yeah oxen desert so they they say that's growing encroaching on the

01:10:29.840 arable land so filenier who take their cattle down south during the rainy season to get water and fed

01:10:34.620 and they come back up to sell they have they're causing problems but there's yeah but the the ones

01:10:40.140 that are actually uh doing the the fighting and killing they're nomads they're not they're not

01:10:46.260 farmers exactly yeah they're they have no passport no id they're just coming in they've been they've

01:10:52.960 been trying to talk about this for years since the 60s uh grazing routes they don't want to do that

01:10:58.700 you don't tell us where to go this is our this we can take our cattle wherever we want and the

01:11:02.120 christians are farming and and using land of course there's going to be conflict but who handles that

01:11:07.320 conflict is it the government is the military is it a discussion between the christian and muslims yeah

01:11:11.040 those kind of things are easily talked about without money you know so we can go in as america

01:11:17.180 and say let's let's let's have a sit down we'll just sit and watch we'll cheer you on you guys talk

01:11:22.660 and we'll we'll chime in when we need it okay yeah and and but they're not seeing those people that's

01:11:28.360 what we joke about this the state department's blinking i was i was in abuja when blinking came

01:11:33.280 through he came through twice and i saw the list of people he was going to see none of these people

01:11:38.340 have a skin in the game they're all people that the u.s uh state department at that time biden's

01:11:44.540 time wanted to see uh talk to to blinken you know no problem it's it's yeah we have a terrorist problem

01:11:51.100 terrible but it's farmer herder we just need to you know a little bit more money here a little bit

01:11:55.000 more money there and we'll be fine right so yeah i'm just looking to see um i'm looking to see what

01:12:01.700 what kind of news i can find on what rubio is actually talking about doing um he hasn't said

01:12:08.880 much so there is no policy on nigeria that all the documents that you look at from the state

01:12:13.140 department from 2023 and 24 that's one thing that we're trying to get the state department to advise

01:12:19.000 the administration to come up with an actual policy they have policies on visas policies on other things

01:12:24.680 but there's real no policy on how to solve nigeria yeah because i mean everything's been upended at

01:12:29.620 the state department so there so what we've been told is that trump wanted to fix look at america

01:12:35.380 issues first and get all that done and in process then we'll start looking at foreign uh policy and

01:12:43.700 interests and we're at the point now where they're starting to look at foreign policy and interests

01:12:47.280 yeah so there here's a piece i'm not sure what just mania is but it says u.s senators senators call

01:12:52.320 for nigeria to be redesignated as a country of particular concern yeah a coalition of republican

01:12:58.200 senators in the united states has formally requested that senate secretary of state marco rubio

01:13:02.340 reconsider labeling nigeria as a country of particular concern under the international religious freedoms

01:13:07.720 act citing persistent acts of violence and terrorism targeting religious minorities the senators contend

01:13:14.020 that christians across nigeria have been facing ongoing and extensive attacks according to sahara

01:13:19.560 reports the appeal was delivered through a joint letter endorsed by ted but senators ted bud josh holly pete

01:13:26.000 ricketts ted cruz and james langford the lawmakers pointed out that nigeria was previously classified

01:13:31.220 as a cpc by former secretary of state mike pompeo in december 2020 due to serious violations of

01:13:37.140 religious freedom committed largely by non-state actors include including boko haram and other

01:13:42.420 terrorist organizations i know you guys say that this is the that it's the falani but if you do you think

01:13:47.680 that in all of this stuff that we've read so far like all the official pieces it's always boko haram

01:13:52.900 that's that's named so here is that is that functionally accurate or is it is it functionally

01:14:00.160 is it something that's going to get the the these types of of bills or these types of of designations

01:14:08.580 get them passed because they are names that the american people and the and the senators and and stuff

01:14:14.960 are are familiar with because again the name falani i'd never heard that before today yeah so you so

01:14:20.620 as we said genocide at the top of the show right so genocide the definition of genocide is any means

01:14:26.880 or any of the following acts committed and it's intent to destroy in whole or in part whether you

01:14:31.480 kill one or whether you kill a thousand that's the start of a genocide killing group members causing

01:14:35.840 serious harm inflicting life conditions to cause destruction preventing births forcibly transfer of

01:14:41.180 children so we say this is a genocide a targeted campaign against christians this is it's either an

01:14:47.100 ethnic group or a religious group this is a definite religious group so this is a genocide let's call

01:14:51.760 it what it is let's get this designation back at least to make a statement and let's stop the the

01:14:57.180 killings and then let's get the talks and the the country of particular concern it it needs more teeth

01:15:02.880 though it needs more teeth and more like cpc's kind of lip service in my opinion it's important to make a

01:15:11.740 statement but the cpc needs to come with teeth and um but just to explain the the situation of

01:15:17.980 country of particular concern during trump's first administration he designated nigeria as a country

01:15:23.520 of particular concern we saw attacks decrease okay in that time biden came into office within the first

01:15:31.440 week nigeria was taken off the cpc do you know what the motivation for that was yeah the nigerian

01:15:37.100 government said we were we're working on everything you gave us these requirements we did it take us

01:15:41.920 off no problem that's what they did and there was no kind of investigation there's no no criteria that

01:15:47.120 needs to be met it's just the word of the government no and then and then what you see now

01:15:50.400 again is an increase in attacks where this on average it was about 5 000 a year now we're at 7 000

01:15:58.740 christians killed this year alone in six months since january 1st and you said there's about 100 000 in

01:16:04.860 the past 20 years or so yeah i mean so inadvertently or whatever you want to say um uh indirectly there's

01:16:11.960 over 300 000 have been killed by either by being starved out by injury by health whatever so indirectly

01:16:18.260 it's well over that hundred thousand by bullet machete burning burning yeah

01:16:25.280 okay so i'm still i'm still trying to figure out exactly what the the policy you know because because

01:16:34.800 like i said the the solve it today let's do it well i mean you know that's you know that's we're we're

01:16:39.320 here to to you know enlighten people on what what the issue is but also what can be done and again

01:16:44.260 my my thought process is the american people are very focused or at least conservatives the people that

01:16:51.680 are that are supportive of the trump administration right because the left is going to do the same

01:16:56.020 things that you're talking about they're gonna say oh no everything's fine you know we there's no

01:17:00.740 there's no problem the christians are doing just great this is all just uh um some kind of bs because

01:17:07.300 the knee-jerk reaction we were talking about this a little bit earlier the knee-jerk reaction from the

01:17:11.260 left um is that christians are essentially not worthy of being protected or being paid attention to

01:17:20.600 uh in fact there they should be attacked like charlie kirk was just murdered and and his christian

01:17:25.520 faith had a lot to do with it you know the the lgbt you know groups out there really look at

01:17:33.320 christians and they believe that they have been persecuted by the christians and now is is the time

01:17:39.320 for the lgbt groups to fight back so whether it be using lawfare like the cake issue in in colorado the

01:17:47.660 the you know that got to the supreme court the bake the cake bigot you know that was an attack

01:17:52.580 on christians that wasn't about the the couple couldn't find a place to actually make the cake

01:17:58.980 they actually were going around to multiple places looking for someone to say no the point was they

01:18:04.520 wanted to make an example of christians that were trying to trying to you know that were professing

01:18:10.120 their faith and saying look my faith doesn't allow me to do this because i don't agree with you

01:18:14.400 not that not that they're looking to go ahead and and inhibit your life in any way not that they're

01:18:19.200 looking to go and stop you from being married but they're specifically looking for someone to say

01:18:24.840 i have religious convictions so we should attack you right that that was the whole point of that

01:18:30.740 and now you've seen attacks instead of taking the form of lawfare now they're taking the form of

01:18:35.400 actual violence you get a bunch of people that have the lgbt ideology they believe that because

01:18:41.960 christianity actually does judge that has a a sense of right and wrong that doesn't align with

01:18:47.180 their own they believe that they're under attack so the way that they defend themselves is to attack

01:18:52.400 christian children in schools right there's been multiple multiple shootings where the shooter was

01:18:58.400 trans and the justification was well christians are hateful you know they they hate me so i went and i

01:19:04.120 did this and and these these people these christians that are that are the victims of these attacks

01:19:09.160 are in no way doing anything to harm any kind of trans or or lgbt person at all right they're mostly

01:19:18.680 going after kids and the same thing was the justification for for the charlie kirk shooting

01:19:23.500 well he's a hateful person and the only hateful thing they can come up with is he doesn't validate

01:19:29.380 my lived experience he he he makes me feel bad because he says no you can't actually change from man to

01:19:37.080 woman or woman to man if you're born a man you're going to always be a man if you're born a woman

01:19:41.340 you're always going to be a woman and and to actually say these things is something that the the

01:19:47.220 specifically the lgbt groups really consider an affront they consider it an attack on themselves

01:19:54.120 and they and the more um the more loosely connected to reality people actually think that

01:20:01.240 violence is an acceptable response to this so that's why the left doesn't want to get involved

01:20:08.460 in helping to defend christians that's why um you'll hear you know any number of leftists just

01:20:15.020 poo-pooing the idea that christians are being attacked for their christianity in in nigeria or in

01:20:20.080 the u.s they don't want to they don't want to you know say that's what actually what's happening so

01:20:25.060 you're going to hear have pushback of uh you know just the idea of helping them because they're

01:20:30.380 christians i mean again back to charlie kirk there were leftists protesting charlie kirk's uh funeral

01:20:37.540 yeah how insane is that i mean this is this is this is so ridiculous to think this this guy got killed

01:20:45.180 and we're going to go and protest his funeral that that's the level of vitriol that christians are

01:20:51.000 facing now and again i'm i'm an agnostic guy right i i don't have a a particular uh particularly strong

01:20:57.340 faith in any religion i'm kind of like i don't know what's you know i don't know what happens after

01:21:01.000 you die i don't know um but i do know that there are definitely people out there that look at christians

01:21:07.700 and all they see is jerry falwell they see the mega church pastors that are making a bunch of money

01:21:13.760 and they see catholics that uh have have you know catholic altar boys that have been molested

01:21:20.320 and the church covering it up they see only the bad things uh you know of the past 30 or 40 years

01:21:26.920 and they say well that's christianity so they're there there's no reason to defend christianity

01:21:32.820 ignoring the fact that our entire moral system here in the west everything that we consider right and

01:21:38.840 good is based on christian morals right like if we were if we were if our if our society was based

01:21:47.140 on the aztec religion we would think it's right and good to kill children so that way the sun keeps

01:21:53.480 coming up you know the aztecs were were sacrifice human sacrifice was totally normal if we were in

01:21:59.060 um an islamic country based with an islamic theocracy we would think that it's perfectly perfectly fine to

01:22:05.760 kill people for being gay not just not just say oh we don't agree with the act of being gay literally

01:22:11.300 throw them off the highest building in town um these kind of things the the idea that that

01:22:16.300 western morale or the morality that we live under that we have even people largely on the left the

01:22:22.500 morality that that they espouse that they say is is is actually right and good to think that it's not

01:22:30.500 connected to christianity is an error and yet the left will swear up and down that the christ that

01:22:35.800 christians are the problem and and it is so you're so how do you convince a population that has now been

01:22:42.040 convinced that christianity is the problem how do you convince them hey it's actually a worthwhile

01:22:47.540 endeavor to try to protect these people well let's let's uh for for for those that uh uh on the left

01:22:56.360 that may view christianity that way uh let's look at it from throw throw a christianity out of it

01:23:04.380 throw it go into a human perspective of men women children elderly who can't run fast enough that are being

01:23:16.840 slaughtered being hacked to death with machetes being burned alive um being treated uh in the most horrific

01:23:26.720 ways being left for dead just just from a human perspective if if there's any kind of humanity or

01:23:37.080 morality at all in their hearts

01:23:40.040 these lives are worth saving

01:23:44.780 these are innocents innocent people that have done no wrong that are getting slaughtered and being killed

01:23:51.680 just from a human standpoint they deserve protection they deserve intervention

01:23:58.800 when evil happens good good good needs to fight it and there's nothing more evil than the slaughtering

01:24:10.140 of children innocent children burning a grandmother alive as she's holding her grandkids this is what this

01:24:17.460 is what this is what we've experienced i mean what's the opposite if you don't see what's the

01:24:21.560 opposite if you don't intervene if you don't allow for voices to be raised or heard then what are you

01:24:26.540 doing you're allowing is it it's okay because my truth is to kill you to slaughter you to take over

01:24:31.200 your land is that is that we're saying here because if that happens then what's going to stop them from

01:24:36.060 going to ghana to burkina to europe to england to u.s you know well i mean it seems the answer is

01:24:43.180 nothing right because that's that's kind of what islam does and look at history and there's a there's a

01:24:49.660 misconception with a lot of people that you know um where christians are persecuted that christianity

01:24:55.120 explodes that does not happen in the case of islam that does not happen in the case of islam at all

01:25:01.640 virtually every country that has been islamized has not been de-islamized without a war yes yeah i mean

01:25:09.480 you can look to spain for that and the christian populations shrink shrink shrink and shrivel and

01:25:15.320 shrivel almost down to nothing and people don't talk about how islam conquered its way all the way

01:25:23.660 into europe they even conquered spain entire languages entire cultures were wiped off the map that are no

01:25:30.460 longer in existence and it wasn't until the crusades and the europeans got their act together and pushed

01:25:36.540 islam back to the middle east but all that time they enslaved people they eradicated entire cultures

01:25:43.160 they put people in slavery until they died and this is a history that no one really talks about or knows

01:25:49.740 about but the only way this evil was stopped was by force it wasn't done through diplomacy it wasn't

01:25:57.380 done through things like this it only responds to force evil is only stopped by force yeah i mean the

01:26:06.080 the the the concept of you know the only thing that will stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with

01:26:11.380 a gun correct the nigerian government way of trying to solve this issue is give the falani ethnic militia

01:26:18.800 money to stop killing people yeah they've paid off they've they've come in governments have come in

01:26:24.080 deals with them and it's like that's not going to solve we're going to be nice to them we're going to

01:26:27.540 give you money we're going to give you trucks we're going to give you all sorts of stuff just quit

01:26:30.820 killing people that didn't work i mean look at the christians so as a christian the golden rule

01:26:37.040 love your neighbor as yourself so how do i love myself i know how to wake up in the morning i get

01:26:41.000 sleep i know how to take care of myself bathe myself feed myself i want the same for my neighbor

01:26:45.320 and you ask any christian that's what they they'll say you know evil comes bad things come i turn my

01:26:50.320 cheek you know but they've said now they're saying i've turned i've turned both cheeks i got no more

01:26:54.860 cheeks to turn so what happens they they want to care for their their neighbors muslim christian

01:27:00.500 uh animus whatever and they were welcomed in with christian charity christian charity you know come

01:27:08.080 on in neighbor we'll share with food we'll we'll share land we'll do this with you they were given

01:27:12.900 christian charity and that's where uh leftists uh and um very naive people um and you know i say even

01:27:22.280 some naive christians believe that the christian charity is going to somehow work by letting them

01:27:27.780 in your land and they know and islam knows how to take advantage of every step of the way until they

01:27:34.280 get the population and the political control yeah look at dearborn michigan right now look at what's

01:27:41.920 happening in minneapolis when they get the population and they get the politics

01:27:46.520 they take over territory and push everybody out and then eventually you know if it grows too much

01:27:54.920 there will be a time where violence occurs because this is how it's been since 640 ad we have to

01:27:59.700 acknowledge what's going on so it is the moral and the right thing to do to stand up to evil and it won't

01:28:04.820 take a whole lot to do it and it can be done and why should people care be done why should people care

01:28:12.200 because if this came to your backyard if this came to your neighborhood came to your town

01:28:16.340 wouldn't you want somebody standing up for you does this go further than than just nigeria now you said

01:28:21.820 the felanis are are nomadic and they're they're not yeah you know they don't consider themselves

01:28:26.280 nigerian are other countries that surround nigeria subject to the same thing and and could you convince

01:28:33.960 the other countries surrounding nigeria that this is a a clear and present danger to them so what it

01:28:39.420 happened so nigeria 2001 as he alluded to uh uh september 7th that friday september 11th was a

01:28:45.500 tuesday september 7th that friday happened uh some some some christians supposedly offended a muslim and

01:28:52.700 then the muslims rounded up themselves and started to attack christian areas in joss city where i was

01:28:58.240 living from that you got so you were there i was there yeah i was trying to save people from being

01:29:03.700 killed you know i was literally helping people get into my house from they're being chased down the

01:29:07.540 street so you saw this happening and then regionally nigeria mali uh burkina faso they started to see a

01:29:15.680 rise of uh terrorists coming in you know there's people wanting to fight the government that that

01:29:21.520 they had and for good reason sometimes there's corruption but they took it took it to a further

01:29:26.280 extent like the felanis like the the boko ram they kind of merged together with al-qaeda and isis

01:29:30.740 and they started to do this so the government instead of uh trying to stop it they just rose up and

01:29:36.100 said we're going to do a coup the president can't do it he's his his willy nilly stuff is not going to

01:29:40.240 work we're going to rise up and be a uh we're going to take over a military wise and fight and

01:29:45.020 who helped them the russians so burkina faso has is now a military rule and it's well funded by russians

01:29:51.600 in fact some burkina bay burkina bays and and malians and nigeria were signing up to go to ukraine

01:29:57.240 to fight with russia nigeria also has been a coup the militaries are ruling there and russia's there

01:30:02.520 and as well as in mali so it's just going to keep spreading and and so all this is happening

01:30:08.020 no one's saying or doing anything france left they just took off so now russia's taking up the

01:30:12.780 vacuum and filling in so if nigeria that stuff doesn't happen in nigeria you're going to lose

01:30:17.740 that sort of democracy in africa specifically west africa because nigeria is is they say it's the

01:30:23.260 trigger on the gun if you take africa the continent turn it that the trigger is where nigeria is yeah so

01:30:28.600 like i i imagine you know you got you know the the the countries that are around i mean liberia is

01:30:34.040 fairly close couple probably a thousand miles away or whatever um and that kind of those countries

01:30:41.480 there they're they're largely influenced by the u.s but that hasn't been or that is no longer the case

01:30:46.640 correct well again they're just they're doing diplomacy a they're saying we'll give you this

01:30:51.020 money but then take these lgbt take take these issues and make sure you're doing this as well well

01:30:56.180 they've stopped that so it doesn't happen but but so burkina faso wouldn't listen to france because

01:31:00.980 france was telling them to just play nice and they wouldn't so they they said well the only way we

01:31:05.060 can stop it is militarily so that's why the military rose up to throne the president and now is a military

01:31:10.760 uh dictator in burkina faso his name in nigeria because they know the threat that these terrorists

01:31:15.800 these militants are doing and the only way to stop it is with force and that's what they're doing

01:31:19.260 yeah and if nigeria falls just say if nigeria falls so goes the rest of africa you think that

01:31:27.260 the rest the whole rest of africa rest of africa falls look at the why don't you unpack that for

01:31:31.260 me the most populous country in africa 220 million it's one of the most rich with natural resources

01:31:37.600 oil uh all that and if nigeria goes and they get that population they get those natural resources and

01:31:46.080 minerals nigeria is the most populous country in all of africa okay 220 million more so than like

01:31:51.180 egypt huh oh yeah yes all right by far yeah so they will then easily take over benin togo ghana

01:31:58.960 they'll have the whole continent in short of you know a decade okay and it'll be a bloodbath and

01:32:09.140 millions and millions of lives will be destroyed so they're influential so nigeria as a nation

01:32:14.320 has called into peacekeeping missions for uh african union ecowas different things for themselves

01:32:20.220 so they've gone in liberia they've gone into sudan at the same time they've stopped crises in in east

01:32:25.600 africa they've been part of discussions for south africa south africa probably has a little bit

01:32:30.440 better economy but but it's a worse situation than nigeria as far as the the communism and socialism

01:32:35.100 go but but if nigeria falls into these hands of militant uh islamists it's just going to give

01:32:41.020 everyone else hey all bets are off let's go let's just rise up and let's take over they're already

01:32:46.300 creeping into northern you know benin and togo northern ghana and and they ghana has enacted

01:32:51.740 laws to stop fulani for doing things togo is trying benin's trying but it's it's you know it's it's

01:32:57.580 just waiting for nigeria to fall yep okay so i mean you know i i i get what you're saying about the

01:33:07.660 the influence of nigeria um but i'm i'm not sure that i i understand why it is that the that nigeria

01:33:17.160 is such a linchpin um i mean obviously the the population is a big deal um does the population

01:33:24.320 overall want to fight back i mean you said it's 220 million half or so or are are muslims so i mean

01:33:31.560 that's 110 million people 110 million christians that are like oh you know we're on the chopping block

01:33:36.960 and they they don't have any political power to to influence the government or they don't they

01:33:41.000 don't seem to be able to is that is that the the case so what i said in the beginning was the 36

01:33:46.580 states the federal government the oil money that's the oil revenues that come in they divide it to the

01:33:51.520 states here use your pot here's your pot okay then the local here's your pot here's your pot so it's

01:33:56.540 so it's coming from the top down all the money is there i mean you look at the the map and is there

01:34:00.560 a consolidation of christians or are they spread out throughout the country is it like south is

01:34:05.940 predominantly christian okay and it gets to about 50 50 in the middle and then it's mostly muslimism

01:34:11.440 north yeah so go to so you look at the capital of abuja um which is right in the center of the word

01:34:18.040 nigeria south of abuja christian north of abuja right at the middle belt 50 50 and then above the

01:34:24.320 middle belt is islam so right you'd imagine i mean just by the look of it you'd imagine that the

01:34:29.400 christians have more of the resources as opposed like maybe maybe not the oil resources but you know

01:34:34.080 they don't have the military yeah military is often in the hands of the president so the president

01:34:40.140 sends troops in you know you're at the mercy of whatever the president wants the governor's supposed

01:34:45.040 to say we want troops but the president could say no i'm going to send him anyways and and he gets in

01:34:49.360 there and then they do what he needs them to do and and the the the top military command is felonnie

01:34:54.660 okay so they're they're nomads that are no longer nomadic so they have city felonnie and then nomadic

01:35:02.180 city ones have been settled they've got jobs they're in politics or in some sort of job but

01:35:07.160 and you know their ideology could be the same but just not as aggressive as not holding a weapon but

01:35:12.720 they're allowing things to happen they're just basically like well you know i'm i my life is is

01:35:17.680 fairly uh i'm content in my life here but i i am sympathetic to the ideas because my brothers yeah

01:35:24.440 yeah the other felonies um yeah i mean can you can you tell me more about um about the the distinction

01:35:34.020 between the the the felonnie that are the nomadic and the felonnie that are kind of the the ones that

01:35:39.720 are um i guess normalized is it possible to to use the normal to convince the normalized to you know

01:35:49.200 influence the the felonnie that are are the uh the i guess for for lack of a better term the militants

01:35:55.120 yeah i mean by and large it's like he was describing so the village has christian farmers living there

01:36:00.540 and the felonnie have come down for centuries they've often come down they ask the christian

01:36:04.380 leaders where can they set up their camp they have these mobile tents that they can put up so that

01:36:09.460 they set up there they help them with the manure from the cows life is grand but then as you said

01:36:15.140 sometimes militants come in and say we're going to attack this village tomorrow night you need to

01:36:19.680 either be gone or allow us to cover so they or we'll kill you right so they've they threaten them

01:36:24.920 they can't you talk to felonnie who are who are trying to stop they can't because they they feel for

01:36:29.220 their they threaten their own lives yeah you're saying the christians are the christians they're not

01:36:33.780 they're not the the uh the nomads at all right the christians are farmers farmers okay they've had

01:36:39.140 cattle but they're they've kept them on ranches right so and then the the city felonnie are the ones that are

01:36:44.100 you know settled down they don't have cattle maybe they have a cattle but someone else takes care of

01:36:47.760 it but they they're in positions of power because of the the emirate that happened in 1805 the jihad so

01:36:52.380 the emir this then the politicians the british made them rulers made them politicians so the british

01:36:58.420 kind of set up this whole catastrophic system you know and the christians will even say this just let

01:37:03.720 let's draw let's put a wall in the north you can have it do what you want with it you have no resources

01:37:08.820 maybe have a little bit nothing as we have and we'll just we'll take the south you know go away

01:37:13.100 i imagine i mean if you look at the just the the the fact that the south is where you know it looks

01:37:18.480 like all the things that grow grow and the north is the oil is all in the ocean on the south oh so

01:37:23.720 the oil is actually okay well i mean i i imagine that's not going to be well i mean that that alone

01:37:28.160 points to why the the the northern uh the northern yeah people would be pushing to the south because

01:37:34.880 the resources are in the south you know that's where things grow that's if the oil is off the coast you

01:37:39.340 know that that that makes perfect sense and and i don't i mean i don't imagine that as much as we

01:37:45.580 you know we've been talking about if the u.s kind of just puts a little bit of political pressure a

01:37:49.780 little a little you know kind of gets like i said the isor on on them i don't imagine that that that's

01:37:54.880 actually going to materially change the situation because the resources whether or not there are

01:38:00.360 ideologically motivated people there might be ideologically motivated people that are that are like i'm

01:38:05.080 willing to fight but the people that are are in positions of power they know where the the resources

01:38:09.320 are they know what where the money is and it's not in the desert it's it's you know on the coast and

01:38:15.120 and in the port and where the rain comes and and stuff so so how do you how do you deal with that

01:38:21.800 particular you know dynamic the the all of the resources are where the christians are and all of the

01:38:28.120 aggression is is coming from the north where the sand is that's where the discussion that's what we

01:38:32.360 said if we sit down dad and his two two sons sit down and have a discussion there could be something

01:38:38.620 right dad's respected he's he's going to be the the the authority but he's the moderator the mediator

01:38:44.400 between the two fighting quarreling brothers let's let's have that let's start with that because

01:38:48.400 if you show them this is what you get if you continue to do this this is what they may do or

01:38:53.600 something may happen and let's figure this out you know again it doesn't take money it just takes

01:38:58.320 an effort to to someone to say let's do this let's talk this through let's see what you have

01:39:02.860 and let's figure out what we can you know what you could do together

01:39:05.560 and and you know i and if if that doesn't work i'm for intervention because if this if this isn't

01:39:13.840 stopped there's going to be a lot more dead bodies very very very soon and if intervention can

01:39:23.700 happen now it will stop and prevent a civil war from happening so what is in your mind what does

01:39:29.860 that intervention look like beyond just the secretary of state saying hey you know um

01:39:37.380 does it look like troops on the ground or is it something or are you more thinking of

01:39:42.960 because i mean we look it's not going to be the un right the un peacekeepers aren't going to aren't

01:39:47.720 going to be able to do anything a major investment in nigeria and that investment being protected

01:39:52.720 so you're thinking something along the lines of uh um companies going in to expand on the natural

01:40:01.920 resources there and then possibly the u.s military protecting that protecting and make and just

01:40:08.300 ensuring we'll have the nigerian government ensure the protection of those investments otherwise

01:40:12.820 there's repercussions but i think they're like it's a win-win scenario nigeria prospers people aren't

01:40:18.920 being killed the economy prospers and that is a very very strong win-win scenario yeah i don't i'm not

01:40:25.680 i don't think that the u.s has the uh that the people of the united states are are i don't think

01:40:32.200 that that you could make the case in a strong enough way where you could get um public support of that

01:40:39.000 we can get the trump we can get trump support if there's a win-win scenario and a major return of

01:40:44.060 investment back to the united states and i think you can make that case i think american people would

01:40:48.040 buy it okay we'll flesh that out then how do you how do you convince the american people i mean look

01:40:53.020 the the we're dealing with a population that doesn't trust the government right the the trust

01:40:58.980 in the in the american government has never been lower right and you've got a an extremely polarized

01:41:05.940 political climate here so half of the country is just going to say no because it's something that

01:41:12.560 donald trump talked about doing and again we we've already talked about the the way that the the

01:41:17.100 left kind of looks at at christians so as soon as they get a whiff of oh you're going in to protect

01:41:22.020 christians no you don't want to do that because donald trump wants to do it so i mean you're talking

01:41:25.720 about it's the same deal they did a landmine it's the same same deal they did in uh the congo

01:41:29.760 it's the same negotiations are doing the congo we can do the same thing in nigeria

01:41:35.880 and the united states would buy it because uh one saving lives two growing our economy

01:41:44.140 and having you know and expanding our influence in natural resources i believe that american people

01:41:50.440 that are smart enough would see the advantage in doing this and you know yeah we might have a lot

01:41:56.100 of isolationist skeptics out there but at the end of the day if there's money to be made for the

01:42:00.620 government while saving lives i think those that are in the power and make the decisions will make

01:42:05.740 that decision it's not coming to arm christians so they kill muslims that's not what we're saying

01:42:10.440 the religious tension is there the religious liberties aren't right the freedom of religion

01:42:15.300 is not so a muslim who becomes a christian will be killed by his family right that's typically if you're

01:42:21.120 the oldest son and you become a christian from a muslim family you'll be killed so there's no there's no

01:42:25.980 rights for for for that in the islamic in the sharia law sort of something as a christian i want to take

01:42:31.740 care of everyone my neighbor myself so i want to do that so you start with the the discussion of how

01:42:36.920 can we reduce this this tension what can we do start with the police the police in nigeria are

01:42:43.720 i say useless that's maybe too strong of a word they're not functioning ineffective they're federal

01:42:49.660 they're they're paid by the the federal government the whim of the president and they're they don't know

01:42:54.760 what they're doing in local areas because they're not maybe from that area so start with getting hey

01:42:59.240 let's go to states or local police let's start with there because you're not protecting when a crisis

01:43:03.400 breaks out the military is often sent in and and people don't trust the military now you know people

01:43:09.120 they you know he's talking to these reports of people being attacked and killed or people just

01:43:13.540 surviving what were they wearing military fatigues they're wearing camouflage they've got their their

01:43:18.940 names ripped off or they've they you know they're they either stolen from a military base or they

01:43:23.400 they they got them they borrowed them or rented them as he says so you know those kind of things

01:43:27.280 just a discussion on those right having that providing a place to make make nigeria safer but

01:43:33.040 also it'll make america safer as i said it'll stop that spread of radical islam yeah yeah um

01:43:40.640 i'm still i like i mean you know the the because again the the realities of of where the american

01:43:49.200 people are i i mean i see it all the time right like even if you if you look at our chat now there's a lot

01:43:53.020 people that are just like how is this america's problem yeah you know and and so i'm i'm trying

01:43:57.760 to it's america's problem because america is period yeah you know i think that's the the thing is is

01:44:03.940 we've i've said this he's said this it doesn't need money it just needs a sit down a discussion a deal

01:44:10.120 to be made right it and then eventually we'll say we'll bring in this business there's a huge market

01:44:14.980 there you know phone companies have come in from middle east from south africa made millions millions

01:44:21.460 in money cars are being imported from japan from well belgium you know different european countries

01:44:28.260 they don't want chinese products everyone says do you want do you want original this good japanese

01:44:33.300 car or do you want this cheap chinese one you know do you want this old used iphone or do you want

01:44:38.700 this new chinese one give me the old iphone they don't want chinese products okay so you have a

01:44:43.420 market there that can be easily so there's demand for it then yeah so yeah okay so do you think that

01:44:49.080 there's demand for i mean obviously the the christians in in nigeria would be like look we

01:44:54.300 want as much help as we can get you know they just want their voice to be heard first and that's what

01:44:59.280 we're doing we're just raising their voice amplifying it getting it heard by the right people

01:45:03.460 because it because they've been silenced by the mainstream media it's been widely ignored

01:45:07.640 and what a sit down look though because it seems like one of these groups has a religious view that's

01:45:14.560 just incompatible with any kind of progress in the direction of christianity period so like how do

01:45:19.900 you convince them well if it's if it's let's say it's governmental at that level so u.s government

01:45:24.660 i said masad bulis and uh rubio go over sit down with the nigerian government and talk it through

01:45:31.340 they'll address it's not a religious thing it's a local crisis well why is that what what why is it

01:45:36.760 like this what can we do to to make sure that it doesn't grow doesn't spread but we think we're

01:45:41.940 hearing from other people that it is religious right so this is why we think it is and we'll

01:45:46.620 put that cpc designation it's kind of it's toothless as as judd said but it's also it's something we can

01:45:51.920 use against them you're not going to get this age you're not going to get this status with the cpc

01:45:56.840 country particular concern so getting that discussion in you know we've got businesses who want to come

01:46:01.640 in whether it's from another african country or from america from europe whatever they want to come

01:46:06.040 in they can't they won't because it's unsafe yeah the electricity grid is terrible there

01:46:10.820 they've had problems with it they've had so much money going into it they sell more electricity

01:46:15.360 outside of the country than they use in the country so there's electricity to be used they're just not

01:46:19.880 you know making it stable how they generate generate their electricity is it there's dams there's oil

01:46:24.900 there's gas there's yeah yeah the other thing i was thinking about was guns because it seems like

01:46:29.320 only one part is allowed to have guns legally or loosely illegally so how would they be able to have

01:46:37.160 them yeah i mean if you need those yeah to that point how do you how do you if if hypothetically

01:46:43.180 the u.s were to send in you know um military advisors you know because i mean that's the job

01:46:49.420 of the green berets like people think a lot of people think special forces are special forces but

01:46:53.200 like the green berets the job of them their their job is ostensibly to go in find existing military

01:46:59.200 forces or or existing resistance forces and train them up and make them a functional military unit that can

01:47:05.080 actually win engagements um but if there is only a handful of private contractors and there's not

01:47:13.020 you know weapons and and etc um how do you how do you arm the the population if there's if the law

01:47:22.160 prevents them from having arms and and and the means to defend themselves what good is a you know a

01:47:29.140 couple couple hundred green berets if uh if there's no one actually to train yeah i mean the

01:47:37.360 thing is is again it's it's education so they you arm just a random nigerian they have to be learned

01:47:44.860 how to use a gun yeah clean a gun all that all that but you you have people that are already doing

01:47:51.080 it these hunting groups they call them hunters association but they're it's it's hilarious but

01:47:55.360 not hilarious but they're they're armed and they're willing to fight but they their guns are

01:47:59.080 man-made they're pipes and and just different things welded on there are groups that are willing

01:48:04.800 to protect villages like i said vigilante it's a bad word but that's what they call their groups

01:48:09.060 that are they're told to roam the the places where the hot spots are and they do that they're willing

01:48:14.400 to do that they're doing it so let's help them with the if the weapons have to be brought in and the

01:48:19.540 government of nigeria has to sign off on what's being in so we know the the serial numbers and all the

01:48:24.560 the munitions whatever fine whatever but until you do that you don't know what's going to happen

01:48:29.340 right now they're being out out gunned and just to explain so so they call the vigilante their

01:48:33.980 village security teams yeah these are people from the community they're from their own village they

01:48:38.960 have the approval of the government tab they have the approval of the government to protect their

01:48:44.520 village they just they're they're just not armed they're not armed with ak-47s they're not armed with

01:48:49.860 the same weapons as the terrorists are if these guys got approval to defend themselves you guarantee

01:48:56.460 that a lot of the killings would stop if they had the ability to protect themselves

01:49:01.520 and that wouldn't take a huge investment from the united states government it's just i mean that just

01:49:06.400 i mean wouldn't that just take the the government of nigeria to allow them to do that so is that

01:49:12.880 something that the that state could pressure them into be like hey it is definitely something

01:49:16.740 he's taking pressure them into yep okay so so uh a sit down with uh with you know marco rubio

01:49:25.680 himself went over there and just said hey let these people defend themselves from these attacks and is

01:49:32.880 that something that's out of the question or or we're just wait do you just do you think that it's

01:49:37.340 just that the rubio going over no no i mean well i mean possibly i mean looks that you know

01:49:41.660 marco rubio in the in the grand scheme of things it's not a big ask yeah but it also it also puts

01:49:47.980 the nigerian government on notice is like how serious are you about protecting your own citizens

01:49:52.600 and the citizens will be watching sure and watching to see how that government reacts what do you think

01:49:59.060 that they what do you think the rest of so say for hypothetically marco rubio say he doesn't go

01:50:04.560 but he sends uh sends the deputy right over and and he's got the full authorization uh what what the

01:50:11.960 deputy says is what the state department is the official position of the state department what does

01:50:16.980 the rest of the world say what is what do the groups in in the middle east what are the middle

01:50:21.540 eastern countries say is it something that they just we don't care or or what would the u.n say

01:50:26.940 you know is is there is there going to be pushback from the rest of the world yeah there'll be pushback

01:50:31.960 from the rest of the world because the rest of the world is bought in with the far left and it's

01:50:35.620 funded and controlled by uh by by islamists so anything that goes against their narrative

01:50:42.220 and their objective they're going to raise all holy hell about and they'll be like oh trump wants

01:50:47.020 a civil war in nigeria they'll throw out all sorts of insanity i guarantee they will but who cares what

01:50:54.060 they say they're in the wrong they have been in the wrong they've been advocating every wrong policy

01:50:58.400 for the last 20 years and have destroying uh everything it touches so well they're not going

01:51:04.420 to do anything they're not going to do anything no but they'll just cry and and is it likely that

01:51:09.160 there would be um so the u.s sends some kind of support and the christians decide they're going to

01:51:14.720 start you know defending themselves will there be an influx of of islamic radicals of of other you

01:51:22.320 know muslims from other countries will they say this is where the jihad is now i like there was in

01:51:27.480 in air in africa in iraq and in afghanistan is that something that's possible could this turn

01:51:33.660 into a larger conflict because they say okay look they're christians they're there it's now they're

01:51:39.440 attacking the muslims there's you know half the country is muslim so we have to go and defend our

01:51:43.760 muslim brothers is that something that that you could see i don't i don't think it'll be to that

01:51:48.360 extent i think so when we we have to engage other countries middle east europe sure just to say look

01:51:54.800 stop giving aid stop giving your your resources your food whatever you just stop it for a while

01:51:59.380 let's take this action what this action of of of talking to to the government and say we're all

01:52:05.500 coming together to say if they don't want to come then it's on them but we're going to try this let's

01:52:10.000 give this a chance if it's arming or these vigilante groups or make them better equipped that would send

01:52:15.320 the signal to any other group that hey these guys are equipped too now so i don't want to i'm not i'm

01:52:19.360 risking my life right now i i'll gun them i can just go in and do random you know i don't have to

01:52:24.560 worry about that but if now i'm being equal now now my life maybe is more valuable and i will stop

01:52:31.600 and i don't think it'll rise up a bigger terrorist you know from northeast they'll continue to be

01:52:37.860 driven down by the military but the felonni militants i think would hear here would see the

01:52:43.120 the reaction and i believe would slow down or stop yeah i agree with his point yeah um do you think

01:52:53.040 that that the possibility of of of it becoming uh you know an inflection point prevents the uh

01:53:01.620 the or do you think that's what that's what prevented the the previous administration from

01:53:06.340 doing anything or is it just a matter of well they don't really believe that there is a problem that

01:53:10.840 the u.s should be involved in i think it was but i mean for sure it was they i mean even nigerians

01:53:16.360 will say we don't need americans to solve our problem we need to be heard we need to make sure that

01:53:21.300 the nigerian government is is seeing what's actually happening yeah i think that's the first

01:53:25.580 step right there it's not about and and i weren't there the the all that the biden administration was

01:53:31.480 listening to was the nigerian government they weren't listening to the people we would you know

01:53:34.680 if we sell scenario we took over masad bulis rubio showed him what's going on and in these idp camps show

01:53:40.620 him what's going on in these these where the terrorist or the the the bandits have kidnapped people

01:53:44.960 are torturing them show them what's happening he'd have a better take on what's going on that would

01:53:49.340 probably be our first thing but we need action we need action we need it to happen now um like i

01:54:00.540 said if action does not happen it's going to be a bloodbath there will be a civil war and you know

01:54:05.860 right now we have 3.5 million christians that are barely getting any aid any help we have a crisis on

01:54:13.320 the ground right now where people are starving people are dying of of diseases they weren't getting

01:54:18.100 any help from usa in the first place but um i'm making an appeal to the audience uh there are

01:54:24.080 innocent people there are nigerians that need your help if you don't want the government to get

01:54:27.660 involved if you feel compelled donate support yeah and i'll plug my website equipping the persecuted

01:54:35.160 dot org if you want to help persecuted christians in nigeria partner with us um call your senator call

01:54:41.880 your congressman if you want the united states to get involved ask your senator and congressman to get

01:54:46.480 involved politically intervene on behalf of persecuted christians um but doing nothing is

01:54:52.160 going to result in a lot more death sure um well why don't you guys uh i mean that's kind of like a

01:54:59.880 a wrap-up oh i'm sorry no that's fine that's fine that's fine it's we're you know we're just about

01:55:04.080 two hours and as it is so so uh kyle if you have any uh closing thoughts and actually judd do you

01:55:09.020 where can people find you so they can go to equipping the persecuted dot org all one word

01:55:15.800 equipping the persecuted dot org partner with our organization we get boots on the ground we respond

01:55:22.260 to these attacks within 48 hours we work with village security teams we do medical interventions

01:55:27.780 in the idp camps we need all the help we can get we're underfunded i don't get grants government funding

01:55:33.340 it's all private donations and then if you want to follow what's happening in nigeria

01:55:38.060 from a news standpoint go to truth nigeria.com and pray for these guys because they're risking their

01:55:47.560 lives every day to tell the truth about what's happening and share the articles help their voices

01:55:52.240 be heard kyle you got anything last words and i mean so we're doing so icon is international

01:55:58.620 committee on nigeria the website is icon icon help dot org um we're more the behind the scenes

01:56:05.460 we're gathering data and information so we've got some of his guys some of our guys going out and

01:56:10.560 when the crisis happens they they document it using an app and it's it's it's a it's a it's a

01:56:16.140 evidence you know it's locked in the cloud so it's it's evidence we can use that for

01:56:19.840 if it's the international criminal courts or it's a un you know those kind of things can happen

01:56:25.140 so i think yeah just get get aware of what's going on you can say how does this affect america it

01:56:31.180 already does you don't even realize why should we be given billions of dollars we shouldn't we

01:56:36.260 shouldn't be involved militarily but we are so what are we going to do we're going to have to figure out

01:56:41.580 how to stop it so let's let's like he said contact your senate your congress get them to say hey look i

01:56:47.940 know there's things on nigeria what's going on let's let's stop this get president trump as i said

01:56:52.960 he he says something and it happens so just you know as much as you can if you can get to

01:56:57.940 any legislature any any politician you know do it democrat or republican okay and then you're you

01:57:04.540 guys you have a uh an x account people can follow you at or or anything like that no yeah you follow

01:57:09.340 me judd saul on x judd j-u-d-d-s-a-u-l uh follow us at e uh equip the persecuted uh on on x you can find

01:57:21.380 me on facebook equipping the persecuted on facebook um just thank you for for having us

01:57:27.900 on and we encourage your audience spread the word this is a genocide that has been completely

01:57:33.080 ignored and we need people to speak about it okay kyle yeah icon help one i-c-o-n-h-e-l-p one

01:57:39.880 is our x account um yeah again just get things go online retweet these the things that you're

01:57:46.320 sharing today the the other articles and get people aware you know when bill mayer said that

01:57:51.360 it came out of the blue we didn't know how why but it's it's stirred up the the the awareness now so

01:57:56.700 awesome all right well judd kyle thank you guys for uh being a part carter thanks for pushing the

01:58:02.040 buttons we appreciate you for sure and uh so you guys can you can check out clips from the show

01:58:07.420 uh all weekend and tim and the rest of the irl gang will be well not myself but uh tim and the guys

01:58:13.620 are still out uh on location and they'll be doing irl tonight and so you can catch clips from

01:58:19.740 the irl this week over the weekend and we will see you guys on monday

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The Culture War - Tim Pool

Nigeria's Christian Genocide, Media Ignoring Atrocities w⧸ Judd Saul & Kyle Abst

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