On today's show, we're joined by West Virginia Congressman Riley Moore (R-VA) to discuss the mass shooting that took place in the city of Minneapolis, Minnesota. We also hear from Rep. Moore about his letter urging President Trump to honor Pat Buchanan.
00:03:33.900We've seen Christian institutions in this country consistently under attack, and we're going to find out who this is.
00:03:43.420I'm not going to sit here and guess who it is, but it's more about, I think, an attack on just the culture of this country and trying to just rip it apart, it feels like, at least to me.
00:03:58.400And so certainly it feels, you know, I can feel this pretty viscerally, given that I have kids and where they go to school.
00:04:41.800I'm sure you're sensing the same thing as just this country really is starting to feel like there's a lot of people with nothing to lose, and it's starting to feel very unstable.
00:04:54.340And, you know, flashback to that school that was attacked, if I remember correctly, Nashville, Tennessee, a Christian school that was attacked by some trans terrorist over there that shot it up.
00:05:05.580Yes, I mean, it's – and now this is happening again.
00:05:11.040And luckily, though, we do have President Trump in the White House where we can actually have these conversations about what in the hell is going on here and hopefully start to get to the bottom of it and prevent these things from ever happening again.
00:05:25.980Yeah, I mean, you know, I hate doing the dance because this happens after every shooting where the left and right both propose sort of these surface – obviously, the left just wants to grab guns.
00:05:41.080But it really feels like whatever solution is just putting kind of a Band-Aid on the situation.
00:05:46.600It feels like the underlying issue is that you just have a high proportion of this country that just has no – they have a void in their soul, right?
00:05:58.420I mean, I don't know what sort of direction we need to go in as a country to ensure that we don't have people like this that are, you know, that seem to be everywhere.
00:06:08.460Well, yeah, and part of that is going to be guided by who is this.
00:06:30.920And then they act out in violent ways.
00:06:35.740And as you said, look, just have kind of a void and that they're trying to fill or blame on somebody else or some community or some religious institution or what have you, and it's costing people their lives.
00:06:51.000And so I think part of it is we just need to really be honest about what is going on in this country and who is doing it and how we can actually stop it and not kind of the window dressing of let's not hurt people's feelings about this.
00:07:07.380I mean, and, you know, it kind of goes with it as the Trump administration does seem to have a little bit of a different view.
00:07:13.240I mean, I think they're quite aware of how violent this country appears to be getting and how unstable it's been getting, obviously, over the last few decades.
00:07:20.020Certainly, his approach to D.C. indicates a different sort of mindset when handling these issues.
00:07:39.200And, you know, people can whine and cry and scream about any of this stuff.
00:07:44.340Our cities, in particular, our nation's capital, it should be safe.
00:07:48.260It should be one of the safest cities in the country where people from all over our country and the world, for that matter, can come visit it and say, wow, look at the capital of the United States.
00:07:58.680Beautiful place, safe, great, you know, but we've let it just run amok ever since we gave home rule to Washington, D.C.
00:08:06.640and the Democrats have run the place into the ground.
00:08:09.600And it's one of the most dangerous cities in America right now.
00:08:15.360I mean, it kind of I've said this before on the show with with how bad D.C. got is it really did seem like from from the city leadership and also the Democrats at large, the national Democrats, is it was almost this attempt to demoralize, you know, patriotic Americans by by taking their capital and just turning it into a disaster zone.
00:08:36.280And then, like I touched on earlier, is we already have a population where a large proportion or I feel like their lives are devoid of meaning.
00:08:43.300I mean, you know, I hate to attribute such grandiose sort of themes to the Trump administration, but it does seem to be like providing a pathway forward.
00:08:51.800You know, again, you know, it's not articulated the best sometimes, but the general theme just seems like, no, this is we're taking control.
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00:10:39.840And it's just the very simple, just common sense things that used to be just kind of cultural norms, like maybe we don't want riots and violence in our cities.
00:10:50.040And it's like, well, it's a little more complicated than that.
00:10:53.980You know, so, and instead of just like talking around these issues and, you know, why these violent acts are happening and, you know, kind of origin stories and things, no more.
00:14:08.800And everybody seems to be aligned to those kind of principles and ideas.
00:14:13.240But, you know, back then it was kind of sacrosanct.
00:14:16.160It's like, what are you talking about?
00:14:17.800Globalization, Pat, you know, it's a wave of the future.
00:14:19.740And he even showed up to fight against NAFTA at the time when Clinton was pushing the NAFTA deal, which obviously eventually became law.
00:14:33.060It hurt the steelworkers in my district, NAFTA did.
00:14:37.380And Pat Buchanan went up there and gave a great speech about it.
00:14:40.320And thousands of our guys ended up losing jobs over NAFTA.
00:14:45.840And flash forward to Trump, he gets rid of NAFTA.
00:14:49.400And then you have the USMCA trade agreement, which kind of obviously leveled the playing field.
00:14:54.420But all of those things that Pat Buchanan had been talking about for decades are now actually coming to fruition.
00:15:01.300And I know in his speech there where he lost one of his presidential runs, he just said he hoped he lived long enough to actually see these ideas come to fruition and the establishment essentially die.
00:15:15.460And that's part of why I wrote the letter to the president and requesting that he receive the Medal of Freedom is that obviously his contributions.
00:15:30.240And it would be great to honor him in his lifetime for what he did and took all the arrows for a very long time.
00:15:38.200Look, President Trump has taken all the arrows as well, more so than any politician that I can think of.
00:15:46.220I mean, he's almost paid the ultimate price for his views at least twice now.
00:15:52.820But Pat, you know, he was really a visionary in this kind of America first, more populist aligned vision of the Republican Party and has come to fruition.
00:16:05.700Absolutely. I mean, for me coming – like I was born in 2001.
00:16:10.140So, you know, I grew up – my sort of awareness of politics has been post-Trump the entire time.
00:16:15.420I was, what, 14, 15 when he was the Republican nominee.
00:16:18.960So I've always known a GOP that was Trumpian in nature.
00:16:25.040I mean, could you maybe elaborate more on what sort of environment Pat Buchanan was in specifically in his –
00:16:36.060He comes out of the Nixon White House.
00:16:39.460And Nixon was more aligned with Trump than the preceding presidents after Richard Nixon in terms of this kind of working-class coalition, America first.
00:16:52.480But Pat Buchanan was living in the time and fighting in the time in the 80s.
00:16:57.260Well, he worked for Reagan, but after that, particularly the 90s, and where it was like we won the Cold War.
00:17:05.300You had this fusionist Republican movement of social conservatives, libertarians, and kind of anti-communist, what we kind of call more like neocons now.
00:17:16.600And, you know, created this conservative movement where all three were kind of working together to defeat communism, which had negative ramifications for everybody within that party coalition.
00:17:29.300But Pat Buchanan was the guy where – so it's like, you know, the Christian conservatives were fine with, you know, globalization-free trade if it meant trying to harm the Soviet Union and the communist movement around the world at that time.
00:17:44.320And so we kind of traded some things within that coalition of the Republican Party.
00:17:51.780But Pat Buchanan was very consistent throughout all of this.
00:17:54.780And like I said, you know, the economy is not more important than the country.
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00:19:24.600A primary election, which then Dole got hammered in the general election because the electorate was in a different place and weren't buying what we were selling.
00:19:35.620And had Pat Buchanan been nominated, who knows?
00:19:39.160Maybe, perhaps, he would have been successful.
00:19:40.980But, you know, he fought the establishment and the neocons his entire career.
00:19:46.500And then early 2000s starts the American Conservative, the publication that actually I placed that op-ed in about wanting Pat Buchanan to...
00:19:56.980He was one of the American Conservatives was actually the publication that first kind of platformed the Hillbilly Elegy book by now Vice President J.T. Vance.
00:20:14.000So, there's a lot of legacy there for Pat Buchanan in the conservative movement.
00:20:35.860But then to be proven correct the entire time in which he's lived long enough to be able to see that, that's how we got to honor this great man.
00:20:45.520I mean, like I said, coming, kind of matriculating into politics in the post-Trump era, every time I saw a quote from Buchanan, I was like, yeah, that panned out, only to realize it was 30 years earlier.
00:20:55.600And I'm sitting here thinking, well, if he would have won 30 years earlier, he could have mopped this up much earlier.
00:22:00.360But I think those are kind of the big two to me is immigration and reasserting the sovereignty and importance of citizenship in this country.
00:22:10.180And then also adjusting the trade framework that we've had in this country for a long time where we've been getting taken advantage of and other countries are essentially profiting off of us.
00:22:26.320You mentioned his his his 2002 book, the death of the West earlier.
00:22:30.940And I mean, you saw it come come to life with this whole redistricting fight where he was arguing in the book that sort of this recomposition of the country that was occurring would lead to, you know, huge political it would have huge political ramifications.
00:22:44.460And I mean, I think the state of California is exhibit A.
00:22:46.840We're seeing it with the redistricting fight.
00:22:50.680And, you know, in the last census, whether someone was a citizen or not a citizen, they were counted in the census for the congressional districts.
00:23:00.180Now, in this next census, that we cannot allow that to happen.
00:23:05.860That doesn't make any sense that part of your district is determined by people who are not even in this country legally.
00:23:29.400Well, and you're even seeing some of his further predictions in the book, specifically referring to like Western Europe as far as immigration, where he talked about, you know, the changing composition, changing the culture and making it a more unstable place.
00:23:40.660I mean, you look at what's happening in England right now, where like throwing up a St. George's cross will put you on a prison, like absolute insanity.
00:23:52.080And so he was 100% right on that as well.
00:23:55.020I mean, if people haven't read that book, The Death of the West, and, you know, I need to go back and reread it again now as well.
00:24:02.260But, I mean, it's astounding how right he was.
00:24:07.880Well, I got to ask, I mean, since you wrote the letter, I mean, do you have a sense on how, I mean, I don't know, maybe this is too forward, but do you have a sense on how likely it is that some sort of recognition occurs?
00:24:16.220Well, I have been talking to White House staff about this, and it does seem that there is some interest in doing this.
00:24:24.120Not saying it's going to happen, but we've had some really, I've had personally myself, some very positive conversations with the White House that this might be a possibility.
00:24:35.380I mean, like I said, like you were touching on earlier, I mean, we really do see the fingerprints of his policy proposals in the second Trump administration.
00:24:42.700I mean, I can say anecdotally, you know, speaking to White House staffers, a lot of them were heavily influenced by Pat Buchanan, so it's really cool to see him sort of getting the recognition he deserves.
00:24:53.080I had one more question kind of correlating to that is, you know, what do you think the long-term effect of Trump and MAGA is?
00:25:02.320I mean, because, you know, we still have three years of Trump, obviously, this is going to be fantastic, but this J.D. Vance, you know, potentially J.D. Vance taking the torch on, taking the mantle of MAGA, it's kind of interesting, you know, talking about Pat Buchanan and his policy proposals extending beyond Trump.
00:25:18.380I mean, what is your view of MAGA as a long-term, you know, policy platform?
00:25:23.920Yeah, well, you know, that's certainly where I align myself, right, and I consider myself part of that movement, and certainly that's where I align in terms of being a member of Congress.
00:25:35.340I am, you know, some people said, you know, more national, right-leaning, NatCon, MAGA, populist, whatever you want to call it, but I like MAGA, so we'll stick with that.
00:25:46.700If you look at things right now in terms of Vice President Vance taking up the reins and, God willing, becoming the next President of the United States,
00:26:03.040be the VP nominee and hopefully fill that office, and then you do have a deep bench within MAGA, and it's not going away.
00:26:18.520Not only do we have presidential candidates, we have congressional candidates, Senate candidates, and they are winning and filling these seats.
00:26:25.020So, to me, this is just the beginning.
00:26:28.960We're like in Chapter 1 right now, which I think is really exciting, and the realignment of the constituencies around the country toward MAGA, particularly in the working class.
00:26:42.960It's, you know, I'm not saying this is going to happen to us.
00:26:55.640You know, and they got their way for a very long period of time, and I think if we are with the people and the American people, particularly the working people of this country, we could be in power for a very long time and have a very positive effect on the average men and women of this great country.
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