The Culture War - Tim Pool - Protests ERUPT NATIONWIDE Over Renee Good Killing, Violence Feared

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00:01:00.000 Which is worrying largely because, I mean, aside from the fact that people were shot,

00:01:26.540 it's worrying, but it's winter.

00:01:29.160 Throughout my career, we've not seen organized protests at this scale during winter.

00:01:34.660 And it's the activists make fun of each other over this, that when it rains or snows,

00:01:39.620 it's hard to get people to come out and join a protest.

00:01:42.000 But now we're actually seeing in Minneapolis, an occupation is forming, barriers are being set up,

00:01:46.120 and we're seeing protests pop up across the country with quite a bit of alarming rhetoric.

00:01:50.920 I would say talks of hanging Kristi Noem and people heard screaming, we're going to find you and kill you.

00:01:57.160 So we're going to have a debate about this.

00:01:58.420 We're going to ask these questions, play these videos, and go over exactly what's going on.

00:02:01.300 And, of course, within this, the funny thing is we actually planned this debate out to discuss

00:02:05.340 the capture of Maduro in Venezuela.

00:02:07.900 Now Trump is saying we're going to have ground strikes in Mexico.

00:02:10.760 And the U.S. is currently chasing a dozen oil tankers from Venezuela after seizing a Russian-flagged vessel.

00:02:17.480 All of this somehow does overlap, especially with the fraud scandal in Minnesota, Minneapolis,

00:02:25.060 the reporting, how it ultimately leads to the protests and the violence that we're seeing.

00:02:28.480 So we'll talk about all of that. We've got a great panel, sir.

00:02:31.620 Would you like to introduce yourself first?

00:02:32.880 Yes, I'm Daniel DiMartino. I am originally from Venezuela.

00:02:36.180 That's part of my relevant experience in this topic.

00:02:38.300 I'm an economist. I'm a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and I live in New York City.

00:02:42.160 Right on. Would you like to introduce yourself, ma'am?

00:02:43.900 Hi, my name's Erin. I go by Straight Rate Online, and I cover politics,

00:02:47.920 do commentary on current events and whatnot.

00:02:51.220 Hey, Tim, I'm Dave Ehrenberg, former state attorney for Palm Beach County.

00:02:55.120 I'm current managing partner at Dave Ehrenberg Law, sub-stack at Dave Ehrenberg.

00:03:00.180 And it's my second time on your show. Great to be back.

00:03:03.860 Yes. So you said you were a state prosecutor.

00:03:06.220 I was the DA in Palm Beach County.

00:03:07.660 You were the DA.

00:03:08.180 For 12 years.

00:03:09.100 Have you seen the video footage of the Minneapolis shooting?

00:03:12.920 I have. I've seen the different angles.

00:03:14.380 This is something up my alley because when you're the DA, this is an area where you're hands-on.

00:03:18.940 You go to the scene of an officer-involved shooting, and you investigate the police to make sure there was no crime committed.

00:03:25.900 So, well, what's your assessment based on what you've seen?

00:03:30.220 I think it would be difficult to get a conviction if a case is broad,

00:03:34.240 but I do think there's enough there to send to a grand jury for a possible state indictment.

00:03:39.760 The feds are not going to cooperate, which makes this very unusual.

00:03:43.300 Normally, the feds work with you.

00:03:45.400 Here, they're going to try to work against the state.

00:03:48.480 But the state can, if they want to, seek an indictment, if there's enough evidence,

00:03:53.400 and if they get it to trial, I think it's going to be an uphill climb for prosecutors.

00:03:57.640 That's different than the question of whether he should have shot.

00:04:00.560 I'm talking from a legal standpoint.

00:04:02.360 I think it's difficult.

00:04:04.960 So, this is pretty interesting in that the officer fled the scene immediately.

00:04:10.960 Is that normal?

00:04:12.300 That he walked away?

00:04:13.520 That he got in his car and drove off.

00:04:14.640 That is very unusual.

00:04:16.220 What happens is, normally, the officers stay on the scene,

00:04:19.580 and they're interviewed by the investigators.

00:04:23.020 Or what happens is, the officer's there, and the investigators will interview perhaps the head of the police union.

00:04:30.080 Like, they'll send a lawyer, or a lawyer from the police union, and they'll do the talking.

00:04:33.900 But rarely does the—unless they're going directly to the hospital.

00:04:37.620 Now, I don't know if that's where he directly went.

00:04:39.680 That may be right.

00:04:40.500 Okay.

00:04:40.820 He did go to the hospital, so maybe that's what happened.

00:04:42.280 Okay.

00:04:42.580 Well, then, if you go to the hospital, that is an exception to the rule.

00:04:46.460 Normally, you stay at the scene, but if you go to the hospital, that is an exception, and that's normal.

00:04:50.700 That's presumably what happened, because we know that he did go to the hospital.

00:04:53.340 Now, Trump claimed he was run over, which is absolutely not correct.

00:04:56.520 And he said he's lucky he's alive.

00:04:58.300 That is not a justification of any action taken by any individual, but the fact is, Trump is wrong about this.

00:05:03.900 Now, we're also seeing from the New York Times.

00:05:05.260 They're claiming the officer wasn't—they're using manipulative language.

00:05:07.960 They say it appears he was struck, but upon closer inspection, he wasn't run over, which is two completely distinct things.

00:05:13.320 But before we get into the video, and then I'll ask you more about the prosecution stuff,

00:05:16.440 I'm curious what you guys think about what you've seen so far.

00:05:19.880 Well, I watched it.

00:05:21.040 And I think it's difficult to—I would say on the legal part, but just on the ethical part, you know, whether it's right or wrong.

00:05:28.000 You don't know what's going through their head.

00:05:29.400 You don't know what the woman said.

00:05:31.140 You don't know, you know, whether she had threatened the other officer, and so there's some reason to believe that, you know, she would have been violent.

00:05:37.660 Clearly, it's obvious that nobody should have ever obstructed the law enforcement operation and rammed their car into the operation.

00:05:46.480 I mean, this is why this happened.

00:05:48.320 But I do think it's a tragedy regardless.

00:05:51.040 And just from the articles and videos that I've read and seen, it looks like murder to me, just based off of the position of the vehicle and circumstances that the ICE officer was in and the woman was in.

00:06:03.540 I'm not speaking to whether or not she should have been, you know, turning away or trying to evade arrest, which is the impression that I got based on the video.

00:06:10.280 I'm not speaking to whether or not he should have applied deadly force.

00:06:13.080 He did apply deadly force, and so I think every single shot needs to be looked at and justified.

00:06:18.860 And the first one does not look justified to me.

00:06:21.440 The two subsequent ones, which my understanding is that she was shot in the head through the side window, not even the front, don't look justified at all to me.

00:06:30.300 So that's where I land on this.

00:06:31.920 So what do you mean by murder?

00:06:34.120 The unjustified, unlawful killing of an individual purposefully.

00:06:37.320 So you think he should go to jail?

00:06:39.020 I do think he should go to jail, yes.

00:06:40.900 So I'm curious what you think of murder.

00:06:43.220 With malice or forethought.

00:06:44.920 What Erin brought up is really important in that she separated the different shots.

00:06:49.560 Now, the defense lawyers will try to say it's all one, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, happened all of it, all at the same time.

00:06:55.100 Now, I'm not – is it three or four shots?

00:06:56.900 That's what they have.

00:06:57.420 Three, okay.

00:06:58.520 I do think that it's going to be tough to prosecute him on the first shot, especially if it went through the front of the window.

00:07:06.740 The other shots, though, that go to the side, you see her driving away, the wheels have turned.

00:07:12.660 That is not a threat to the police officer.

00:07:14.420 So I do think if you're going to prosecute him, you could have a better case on the subsequent shots when there was no real threat to the police officer.

00:07:21.920 Was it a threat to other people?

00:07:23.680 I don't think so.

00:07:24.460 He would, by the way, if it was a significant threat.

00:07:26.080 There was a woman standing to the right of the vehicle.

00:07:27.980 Right, but was she really going to be run over by this car?

00:07:31.420 Can he tell?

00:07:31.860 Well, that's going to be the defense, saying that I was defending myself and others, but so –

00:07:36.640 Well, but also he's not a normal person.

00:07:38.200 He's a law enforcement officer, so he will claim qualified immunity.

00:07:41.540 Right, but if you can show that he acted unreasonably, so unreasonably, that you could triumph for murder.

00:07:46.940 But qualified immunity pertains to civil, I understand, right?

00:07:50.020 Also, federally, for a state to prosecute a federal officer, the federal officer is going to say, I've got this sovereign immunity here, this federal immunity.

00:07:59.100 And you can break through it, though.

00:08:00.220 So here's another video that I think – this started going viral because it provides important context.

00:08:05.460 And then we'll go through the actual video from Minnesota.

00:08:07.900 This is a woman who was killed in Baltimore.

00:08:14.580 One second.

00:08:16.000 She's standing in front of the vehicle.

00:08:18.020 At three seconds, the vehicle accelerates.

00:08:21.760 At four seconds, she's dead.

00:08:24.920 What should she have done?

00:08:27.300 This is a different scenario.

00:08:28.700 This was in a cul-de-sac.

00:08:29.780 She was backed into a corner.

00:08:31.080 She had nowhere to go.

00:08:31.880 No, no, no.

00:08:32.640 She's not.

00:08:33.460 She could walk away from that car right now.

00:08:35.660 But the car – like, she is facing – like, that car could not reverse.

00:08:39.680 No, no, no.

00:08:40.160 Hold on, hold on.

00:08:40.740 Wait.

00:08:40.920 Are we not in a cul-de-sac here or not?

00:08:42.460 So it is a cul-de-sac, it appears.

00:08:43.700 Okay.

00:08:43.820 But the exit is behind her.

00:08:45.260 Egress is behind her.

00:08:46.520 She's standing to the left side of the front of the vehicle.

00:08:50.300 She could take two steps to her right now to clear herself from this vehicle knowing a suspect is in it.

00:08:56.580 And she's got her weapon aimed at him.

00:08:59.160 Now, she's dead.

00:09:00.160 And people are highlighting this, saying, when you're an officer tasked with stopping somebody who's committed crime, presumably the obstruction committed by – and I say presumably because there's no trial for this.

00:09:10.420 Renee Good, this is felony obstruction of a federal law – 8 U.S.C. 1357.

00:09:14.760 So when they say, we are going to stop you and arrest you, and you decide to accelerate, the question is, if you find yourself in front of the vehicle, should you let the perpetrator escape or is the law enforcement duty to tell them to stop and brandish a weapon?

00:09:28.980 The policy within the Department of Justice and DHS is that you don't stand in front of a vehicle and put yourself in that situation.

00:09:35.500 It will create the problem.

00:09:36.740 Now, here, I believe this guy had already committed a crime, right?

00:09:39.780 This is different.

00:09:40.340 Well, the woman already committed a crime too.

00:09:41.460 Right, this is state.

00:09:42.060 Well, but this is different.

00:09:42.860 Renee Good did commit a crime.

00:09:44.760 What was her crime?

00:09:46.040 8 U.S.C. 1357, obstruction of federal law enforcement, for which ICE does have the authority to arrest her.

00:09:51.960 I'm not saying she was proven to have committed a crime, but there's probable cause on the law enforcement's part when witnesses on the scene said she was leading the protest to block ICE vehicles.

00:10:01.280 That's a witness statement, and I know it's hearsay, but she went on to say, additionally, someone told me that she actually was doing it.

00:10:07.140 So she said, I was here.

00:10:08.480 This is what she was doing.

00:10:09.260 So if three cops say, out of the vehicle, and you immediately begin to accelerate.

00:10:13.100 Right.

00:10:13.780 Well, a witness said, witnesses have said that there were conflicting orders.

00:10:19.120 One said, get the F out of the vehicle, and the other one said, get out of here.

00:10:23.360 I saw that as well.

00:10:24.460 Yeah, like multiple eyewitnesses were saying that it was unclear whether or not she was trying to comply with one instruction or the other.

00:10:31.580 I also don't think that just the mere acceleration of a vehicle is enough to justify use of deadly force in every single instance.

00:10:37.900 I think it needs to be reasonable from the officer's perspective that not only was the vehicle accelerating, but it was accelerating towards them.

00:10:45.260 Right.

00:10:45.620 And their life was truly an imminent danger.

00:10:47.600 But I think this woman, Amy Coppola, is dead in one second.

00:10:51.860 It's on the video.

00:10:53.200 It's from three to four.

00:10:54.540 She's dead.

00:10:55.000 So the moment you hear the engine rev, before you can do anything, you are dead.

00:11:00.480 Right.

00:11:00.600 Now, I'm not saying, I actually don't think this cop should have shot her.

00:11:04.800 However, it's easy to be looking at three different angles in slow motion and say he probably could have just spun out and taken a minor injury.

00:11:12.080 Like you don't know what's going through his head.

00:11:13.860 And also, that's the legal point, too, because not only do you have to go through all the legal barriers that you mentioned, Dave, but you also have to just prove that it's beyond a reasonable doubt from his point of view.

00:11:24.140 Right.

00:11:24.700 So let me ask you, because we've done an analysis on this video a million and one times right now.

00:11:29.160 There's a few things to break down.

00:11:30.300 The New York Times and liberals have argued the vehicle did not aim at him.

00:11:35.760 In fact, the officer stepped in front of the vehicle and they've asked, why did he step in front of the vehicle?

00:11:40.880 However, people on the right have argued the vehicle reverses and lines up with him.

00:11:44.600 Actually, it's fair.

00:11:45.220 I think it's fair to say both are occurring.

00:11:47.480 The DHS officer is standing to the front right side of the vehicle and he takes a step to his left as the vehicle reverses.

00:11:53.620 The pan of the camera makes both look a bit more exaggerated.

00:11:55.600 But from the new angle we've seen from CNN, he's not in front of the vehicle, but he is taking a step to his right as the vehicle is reversing and turning to its right, creating this lineup.

00:12:07.500 Now, here's where I see the most important part.

00:12:10.080 As we move forward, we can see, watch the wheels tilted to the left, not to the right, and you can then see the wheel spin out.

00:12:18.380 See the wheel spinning out?

00:12:19.440 That is acceleration into the officer.

00:12:22.660 However, due to what appears to be ice on the ground, I can only assume, it spins and doesn't gain traction.

00:12:28.980 There's two assumptions.

00:12:30.160 Due to ice being on the ground, it spun out and she released the accelerator or the ECS system, the electronic stability control, stops the wheel from spinning the moment it spins out.

00:12:42.240 So this is something we've had for 20 plus years.

00:12:44.680 After the wheel, which is aimed at him, spins out, which means he heard the engine go, he then pulls his gun.

00:12:51.860 The vehicle right now, you can see the wheel is beginning to tilt, is still going forward.

00:12:58.480 Yes.

00:12:59.060 He then points the gun at her and steps to his right.

00:13:02.100 He still hasn't turned.

00:13:03.600 And now she's turning, right?

00:13:05.920 This is the point.

00:13:06.840 The gun is aimed at her.

00:13:07.800 The vehicle begins its turn.

00:13:09.380 Now, the important thing is you can see the officer's leg right here.

00:13:13.660 Watch his feet slide.

00:13:15.580 His feet slide, okay?

00:13:17.200 He's not taking a step.

00:13:18.140 He's sliding backwards.

00:13:19.000 That's because the vehicle is pressing on him.

00:13:20.700 The vehicle has made contact with his body.

00:13:23.980 He is now being pushed back.

00:13:25.380 And once that happens, he fires the first shot.

00:13:28.200 The vehicle then continues a rightward turn.

00:13:31.340 I believe that indicates she is actively conscious.

00:13:34.500 Otherwise, it would have gone straight.

00:13:36.700 It's the two subsequent shots after the fact, which is...

00:13:40.460 Those are more problematic.

00:13:41.580 Which are more problematic, where she dies.

00:13:44.020 She is actively turning right now.

00:13:45.240 Presumably the first shot did not kill her.

00:13:47.140 It's the other shots that take her life.

00:13:49.040 Where do you see the other two shots?

00:13:51.700 What's that?

00:13:53.040 Well, can we get the audio fixed?

00:13:54.320 Because the audio is not properly...

00:13:56.120 It's not playing for the show.

00:13:59.100 So no one can hear the bangs.

00:14:01.400 Oh.

00:14:02.460 All right.

00:14:02.860 Let me try something.

00:14:08.060 I'm going to try and...

00:14:09.980 Is it that?

00:14:11.180 I think that'll do it.

00:14:11.900 Let's see if that did it.

00:14:13.680 There we go.

00:14:14.200 First shot, after he got hit.

00:14:22.000 As he's getting hit.

00:14:22.560 Oh, yeah.

00:14:23.960 Yeah, especially that third shot.

00:14:26.080 That third shot.

00:14:26.880 That's a problem.

00:14:27.400 That's insane, that third shot.

00:14:28.660 But now the question becomes, all of this, you know, we can see this whole thing was like

00:14:34.280 seven seconds, but this is, I believe, 8X slow-mo.

00:14:38.080 The whole thing took one second.

00:14:40.120 Right.

00:14:40.620 I, again, I think, here's someone who's presumably committed a felony.

00:14:45.420 Again, 8 U.S.C. 1357, obstruction of federal law enforcement, for which they have told her

00:14:50.220 to get out, and the officer is trying to pull her out of her vehicle, but she is attempting

00:14:55.180 to evade arrest and actively driving.

00:14:58.180 There is an officer in front of her, and she accelerates right here.

00:15:01.060 That wheel spins.

00:15:01.860 I think right there, I think that clears them of any charges.

00:15:05.980 Well, the question is, as Aaron brought up, did the witnesses say that they heard the

00:15:11.760 officer, different officers say, get out of here?

00:15:13.880 And so that's why she's trying to get out of here.

00:15:15.840 I believe he said, get out, get out, while I was going to get the F out of the car.

00:15:19.540 We heard that on that video, yes.

00:15:21.520 But the witnesses say there was conflicting orders from the officer.

00:15:25.660 Hold on, come on, come on.

00:15:26.120 Is that material when you have an officer in front of you, an officer grabbing your door,

00:15:29.260 saying, get the F out of the car, and you're accelerating, even in reverse?

00:15:31.800 Well, if another officer's yelling, get out of here.

00:15:34.020 And so she's like, I'm going to get out of here.

00:15:35.800 And also, even if she is trying to flee, you don't shoot to kill someone who's trying to flee.

00:15:40.880 That's against policy.

00:15:42.000 That's not correct.

00:15:42.940 Unless that person poses a significant threat to someone's life.

00:15:48.160 So we know that there are other people standing in the street, and she's speeding off.

00:15:51.720 One could easily make the argument.

00:15:53.200 It's really about convincing a jury.

00:15:54.760 Did the officer fear for his life?

00:15:56.560 I think it's fair to say this officer, who had previously been dragged 330 feet six months ago,

00:16:01.680 and had to get 33 stitches, now standing in front of a vehicle, all within about a fraction of a second.

00:16:06.500 I don't think he walked in front of the car thinking, I'm going to create danger, but that tire spins out.

00:16:11.920 He hears the engine rev when that happens.

00:16:13.560 It's pointed right at him.

00:16:14.760 He's got past trauma related to an attack, and now he's thinking right here, she's going to kill me.

00:16:20.980 The vehicle is not turning as it goes forward.

00:16:23.220 It hits him.

00:16:24.460 He shoots.

00:16:25.420 It hits the other guy, right?

00:16:26.660 Or him?

00:16:27.280 Who does it hit?

00:16:28.460 It hits her.

00:16:29.140 There's a guy in front.

00:16:30.660 Isn't that who he hits?

00:16:31.940 No, the shot goes through the windshield.

00:16:33.580 Right, but the shooter is...

00:16:35.440 The shooter gets hit.

00:16:36.520 The shooter is the one getting hit.

00:16:37.340 The shooter is the one getting hit.

00:16:38.500 Right.

00:16:38.980 You can see...

00:16:39.720 It's the front guy, not this guy.

00:16:41.560 It's the front guy, right?

00:16:42.300 Yeah, the front guy, look at his legs.

00:16:43.320 They slide backwards.

00:16:44.440 He's being hit by the car.

00:16:45.800 I don't think he's being grievously injured or anything like that, but this is arguably hindsight being 20-20.

00:16:53.840 In a fraction of a second, seeing this happen, how is anyone going to be like,

00:16:58.200 let me freeze time and process what this woman is doing, what her intentions are.

00:17:01.040 All he hears is an engine rev with a vehicle moving towards him.

00:17:03.680 Right now, it's going straight towards him, okay?

00:17:05.640 The wheels spin out with it aimed at him, right?

00:17:09.200 I think you show that to a jury, and you say,

00:17:12.560 she is believed to have committed felony obstruction.

00:17:15.400 She is ordered out of her vehicle.

00:17:17.640 The cop has his hand in the vehicle, likely on the steering wheel, maybe not.

00:17:20.660 His hand on the door, she's locked it, and she is attempting to evade arrest.

00:17:24.640 She then accelerates towards the officer with a tire spinning on the ice.

00:17:27.860 Clearly, the officer heard the acceleration.

00:17:29.600 I think it's reasonable to assume he fears for his safety.

00:17:32.960 He does make an attempt to get out of the way.

00:17:34.860 You can see he slides, but not fast enough.

00:17:37.540 Perhaps because of the ice on the ground, he can't get good traction to jump out of the way.

00:17:40.800 So the only move he has is to stop her, of which it is also his duty to stop someone fleeing a felony.

00:17:45.620 And she hits him, and he shoots.

00:17:47.880 Now, the question after this is, in the second afterwards, when he fires two additional shots,

00:17:52.740 does it even matter?

00:17:53.940 Because you'll argue those shots are problematic because he's cleared, but it's one second.

00:17:59.700 He's going bang, bang, bang.

00:18:01.540 The other question is, there is a woman standing to the right of the vehicle,

00:18:05.300 and there are other people down the street.

00:18:07.680 Could this officer just say, as she's accelerating into me,

00:18:11.280 I fear that she is going to hit somebody and must be stopped to save the lives of others?

00:18:15.100 I don't, you don't, you're not able to guess that she would drive down the street and hit other people.

00:18:20.880 That's not justification.

00:18:22.620 So I think the only excuse here is if the officer thought that his life was in danger,

00:18:29.060 then he is allowed to shoot.

00:18:30.620 The first shot, I think, is going to be very difficult to prosecute.

00:18:33.900 The second and third shots, I think you have a case.

00:18:36.460 But you are exactly saying what the defense lawyers will say.

00:18:39.940 It's all one motion, one second, split-second decisions.

00:18:43.320 He can't be a Monday morning quarterback, which is actually what the Supreme Court has said as well.

00:18:46.700 Well, but he's also allowed to shoot if he believes other people's lives are at risk.

00:18:51.740 But that's got to be reasonable, though, right?

00:18:53.360 Right, but what I'm trying to say is that it feels like the legal debate is over

00:18:57.640 because you will not be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt

00:19:00.440 that he intended to murder her, you know, for a bad reason.

00:19:03.720 Right, you don't take...

00:19:04.680 Especially him being a law enforcement officer in the video, I mean, it's...

00:19:07.380 Wait, well, since this is your area,

00:19:09.340 isn't it that they were going to analyze every single use of force?

00:19:12.180 So just, like, they're not going...

00:19:14.080 I don't doubt that his defense is going to argue that it happened so quickly.

00:19:18.600 You should basically view these three different shots in succession as effectively one motion.

00:19:23.040 But they will be asked to analyze every single one.

00:19:25.940 So don't you think that, like, the additional two shots that he takes at her afterwards

00:19:30.020 are going to be really where he, like, runs into trouble legally?

00:19:32.840 That's going to be the prosecution's best case.

00:19:34.800 It's the second and third shot.

00:19:36.080 I had a case like this, too, where we had difficulty trying to figure out which shot was it that killed him.

00:19:42.800 Tim is saying that it probably wasn't the first shot.

00:19:45.220 So, and this is important, too.

00:19:48.200 She's going towards him, and the wheel is slowly turning.

00:19:51.260 He then makes contact with the vehicle and shoots, and she continues turning,

00:19:55.540 implying she has continued to apply pressure to the wheel, likely still conscious.

00:19:59.380 Two more shots ring out, and the vehicle finishes its turn.

00:20:02.580 But after the third shot, the vehicle goes straight and crashes into a pole,

00:20:05.180 indicating it was not the first shot that ended her life.

00:20:08.740 You could always also just say attempted murder as a way to get around which shot was it that actually caused her death.

00:20:16.420 So there are ways prosecutors can get around it.

00:20:18.600 Here's what's going to happen.

00:20:20.080 I do believe the state is going to investigate independently of the feds.

00:20:23.780 The feds are not going to cooperate.

00:20:25.180 They're going to make it harder.

00:20:26.540 And the state will bring charges, I think.

00:20:28.560 And then the defendant will remove it to federal court, which he's allowed to do.

00:20:32.880 He's a federal officer.

00:20:33.720 So then it goes to a federal judge who's going to make the key decision whether this officer enjoys the immunity we discussed.

00:20:39.800 And if it does go to trial, it will be done in a federal courtroom where you have jurors,

00:20:43.880 not just from this county, the Blue County, but from the whole state.

00:20:47.240 That's why they want it in federal court.

00:20:48.920 And a judge who is not elected by the local voters but appointed by a president.

00:20:55.160 And it will be much harder to get a conviction that way.

00:20:57.460 I think 15 years ago you'd be right.

00:21:00.500 I think today what happens is – and maybe you're right, but I'm just saying there's a decent probability,

00:21:04.840 if not a greater probability, that the Trump DOJ just says there's no charges to be brought.

00:21:09.260 But it's still a state case.

00:21:10.760 Even though it's in federal court, it's still a state – yeah, the state prosecutors wants to do it.

00:21:13.900 Yeah, I get it.

00:21:15.200 And Trump can't pardon.

00:21:16.580 The state will bring charges, but I don't – I think there's a decent probability it goes nowhere.

00:21:20.980 This guy's going to leave the state and say, have fun.

00:21:23.800 Do you think that's right?

00:21:25.840 Yes, I do.

00:21:27.000 Do you think all three shots are justified?

00:21:29.780 I think – well, I don't know about that.

00:21:32.040 I literally said he shouldn't have shot her.

00:21:33.740 I think the issue is we've already seen over the past several years complete bullshit prosecutions in one direction.

00:21:40.940 And if Trump allows ICE agents to be targeted like this, then he may as well just resign now.

00:21:46.020 He may as well just say, Democrats take the midterms.

00:21:49.000 Democrats take 2028.

00:21:50.080 The Republicans are unwilling to enforce the law the American people voted for, and we are going to let individuals obstruct law enforcement, threaten the lives of law enforcement, and then when they present clear and reasonable threats to agents, we're going to make sure those agents go down.

00:22:04.740 If Trump agrees that this guy should face any trouble, that's why I'm saying Trump might say this man will not face any charges.

00:22:11.720 He tried pardoning Tina Peters, and he can't because she's at the state level.

00:22:15.440 And so what can he really do?

00:22:17.060 Well, we are beyond the scope of was it a reasonable use of force?

00:22:22.220 The New York Times is already lying about what happened, and Trump is already lying about what happened.

00:22:26.800 You didn't agree with the video analysis?

00:22:28.740 The New York Times is lying.

00:22:29.980 They're 100 percent – so I'm going to tell you this right here.

00:22:34.340 This is the key example of how the corporate press, left-aligned, will lie to you to trick you into believing things that are not true.

00:22:42.360 Trump and others –

00:22:43.220 Let me – here we go.

00:22:44.280 President Trump and others said the federal agent was hit by the SUV.

00:22:48.120 He was hit by the SUV.

00:22:49.720 You can see his feet sliding.

00:22:51.020 It's not possible to do an air moonwalk the way he did unless the vehicles made contact with him.

00:22:55.280 I don't think he was grievously injured by this.

00:22:57.180 In fact, I don't think he was injured by it at all.

00:22:58.460 But he was hit, and he doesn't know which way the wheels are going.

00:23:01.480 Now listen to what they say.

00:23:02.680 I'm going to go back and play the whole thing.

00:23:05.120 President Trump and others said the federal agent was hit by the SUV,

00:23:09.160 often pointing to another video filmed from a different angle.

00:23:12.000 And it's true that at this moment, in this grainy low-resolution footage,

00:23:18.340 it does look like the agent is being struck by the SUV.

00:23:22.380 But when we synchronize it with the first clip, we can see the agent is not being run over.

00:23:27.720 In fact, have you guys noticed the manipulation technique they just pulled off?

00:23:33.140 No.

00:23:33.860 When the first statement is, it is true, it does appear he was struck.

00:23:40.840 What does struck mean?

00:23:41.280 Then say run over.

00:23:42.160 And then they say, but upon analysis and synchronization, he wasn't run over.

00:23:47.200 This is a standard manipulation technique that is used in sales and marketing.

00:23:52.000 It's assumptive reasoning, that's what it's called, where you create two non-sequiturs,

00:23:56.460 and you use one with intonation and emotion to trick someone into thinking it's related to the previous statement.

00:24:01.700 The fact is, they are stating through intention he was not hit by the vehicle.

00:24:08.800 That's why they said it looks like he was, but upon synchronization, he wasn't run over.

00:24:13.400 Because people who don't understand manipulative language are now going to walk away saying,

00:24:17.940 the New York Times said he wasn't hit.

00:24:19.520 No, no, they said it looked like he was, but that he wasn't run over.

00:24:22.820 Regardless of the editorialization and what you view to be rhetorical sleight of hand,

00:24:27.900 just looking at the synchronized clips, do you believe that either of them were touched or struck by the vehicle at all?

00:24:34.800 Wait, I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

00:24:35.800 Do you believe that based on the footage that you see when they showed the synchronized clips,

00:24:39.700 that either officer was being touched by the vehicle whatsoever?

00:24:43.920 The officer is clearly touched by the vehicle because his feet both slide backwards.

00:24:47.640 And then from-

00:24:48.100 So, I mean, let's do this.

00:24:49.360 Just to make sure this is clear, not about like-

00:24:50.860 At what point do you see it striking him?

00:24:52.480 See his feet?

00:24:53.160 See his feet right here?

00:24:55.280 Well, also, we will-

00:24:56.080 How do his feet slide on ice unless he's being pushed upon by a force?

00:24:59.940 Can you go back to the synchronized clip?

00:25:03.340 And see where they line up the same moment.

00:25:07.460 Let's jump forward here.

00:25:10.700 When we synchronize it with the first clip, we can see the agent is not being run over.

00:25:16.540 He's not being run over, but what did they say?

00:25:18.820 It's true, he does appear to be struck.

00:25:20.740 The New York Times said that.

00:25:21.760 I'm going to quote the New York Times.

00:25:23.100 It's true, it does appear the officer was struck by the vehicle.

00:25:26.400 End of quote.

00:25:27.460 So, the vehicle touches him and you think-

00:25:29.740 Touches.

00:25:30.400 Come on.

00:25:31.520 Should I play the other-

00:25:32.700 Touches.

00:25:32.820 Okay, let's play this one again.

00:25:33.820 Touches his body.

00:25:34.300 Do you think what follows from that, and this is my understanding, is that he wasn't in compliance even with,

00:25:39.280 ICE protocol or training, how would shooting at her stop the vehicle?

00:25:43.240 How is he not in compliance?

00:25:44.060 How would shooting at her stop, because they're not trained to step in front of vehicles, and they're also not trained to shoot at somebody in a vehicle, because that's not actually going to prevent anyone from being harmed.

00:25:54.120 Let's do this.

00:25:55.080 Is the officer in front of the vehicle right now?

00:25:58.440 No.

00:25:59.160 Okay, as the vehicle reverses, angling the SUV to the right, is he now in front of the vehicle?

00:26:05.640 No.

00:26:06.640 Which officer?

00:26:07.400 This cop right here is not in front of the vehicle?

00:26:09.200 That cop?

00:26:10.040 Yeah, I guess.

00:26:10.820 That's the guy who shot.

00:26:11.420 So the SUV reverses and angles the vehicle to the right as the officer is walking to his right.

00:26:18.220 That's why the liberals are saying he should not have been in front of the vehicle.

00:26:22.620 No, well, not just the liberals.

00:26:24.000 I don't think he can-

00:26:24.200 Like ICE and DHS officials are saying that that's not-

00:26:27.380 No, no, no, no.

00:26:28.000 ICE and DHS said the vehicle attempted to ram him, and conservatives are saying the vehicle backed up to aim at him, and liberals are saying, no, he walked in front of the vehicle.

00:26:34.940 The fact is, both things happened.

00:26:36.920 The SUV is reversing, aligning the head of the car to the right, where he was, and as he makes a step to the right.

00:26:43.940 There's no fault on either party, in my opinion, because-

00:26:47.560 Well, to be fair-

00:26:48.380 I think she was trying to escape.

00:26:49.820 So there's fault in that regard.

00:26:50.920 But by the way, that doesn't mean it's not true that he thought his life was at risk.

00:26:54.780 Both things can be true at the same time.

00:26:56.420 What I find really lamentable-

00:26:58.460 Just to clarify this point, it does not appear the officer's intention was to place himself out of compliance with DHS.

00:27:04.940 While he was walking, the vehicle reversed and aimed at him.

00:27:07.840 That's a split second.

00:27:09.120 That's an accident.

00:27:10.120 Now, she was attempting to evade a felony arrest.

00:27:13.620 That puts her at fault.

00:27:14.900 Okay, let me ask you this.

00:27:15.760 She was alleged to have done that.

00:27:17.320 She's innocent until proven guilty.

00:27:19.000 Well, right.

00:27:20.100 If the officers believe there's probable cause for obstruction-

00:27:22.540 I mean, she was escaping arrest.

00:27:23.720 That's a fact.

00:27:24.140 Right.

00:27:24.400 I mean, look, even if you're being detained, that's why you're told by the ACL-

00:27:27.440 You should comply, right?

00:27:28.620 Am I being detained, right?

00:27:30.060 So let me ask you this question.

00:27:31.120 If you're committing a felony and attempt to escape and in the process kill an officer, what crime will you be charged with?

00:27:39.760 Oh, you'll go down for felony murder then.

00:27:44.200 What if you're attempting to evade a felony and you commit assault but not battery?

00:27:50.200 Is that an assault on an officer?

00:27:51.920 Yeah.

00:27:52.180 If you're committing-

00:27:53.300 If a death happens in the course of a felony, that's felony murder.

00:27:57.020 That's what, by the way, the officer would be charged with if he's charged with murder because the felony could be the aggravated assault where you point the gun and then the death would be part of the murder.

00:28:10.280 So that's how they got also Chauvin, a secondary murder for the same reason in Minnesota.

00:28:14.700 That's the guy of George Floyd.

00:28:15.840 So somebody just asked, if you're attempting to evade police and in the process, through any means, even if you're just running, say you're running towards an officer, could that be construed as an assault?

00:28:30.280 So let's say this.

00:28:32.720 A cop walks up to you and says, freeze, you're under arrest.

00:28:35.400 You run for it.

00:28:36.260 And as you turn and run full speed, there's another cop standing and he puts his hands up as you're about to slam into him.

00:28:41.400 Oh, well-

00:28:41.780 Is that an assault?

00:28:42.480 Yeah.

00:28:42.680 Well, if you're, yeah, if you're threatening to attack an officer-

00:28:45.540 No, no, I'm saying you're not threatening.

00:28:47.580 In the process of turning to run, there's a cop standing in front of you and you're about to slam into his body.

00:28:52.020 Like, my point is, is accidental creation of a threat and bodily harm still an assault?

00:29:00.440 I don't know that answer.

00:29:02.460 I don't know.

00:29:02.760 It depends on the facts of the case and what the law is of the state.

00:29:06.220 But I do know that the DOJ has a specific policy that covers something like this.

00:29:11.560 And this is my issue.

00:29:12.480 And if I can read the policy, it says that firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless, number one, a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle.

00:29:27.920 And so that wouldn't apply here, right?

00:29:29.060 Because she didn't have a gun.

00:29:30.880 Or, number two, the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury.

00:29:38.580 And here's the big part.

00:29:40.380 And no reasonable alternative exists.

00:29:43.240 So the question is, could he have just stepped out of the way?

00:29:46.120 Was this the only alternative to shoot into the car?

00:29:49.020 So I would argue easy, easy slam dunk for the defense.

00:29:55.340 You can't – officer can't see where the tires are going.

00:29:57.720 The vehicle already accelerated towards him.

00:29:59.760 And he's standing on ice.

00:30:01.920 So the vehicle is being operated in a manner that will kill him.

00:30:05.380 And he's already taken a step to the right to try and mitigate.

00:30:08.880 It's a second thing.

00:30:11.620 I'll say this.

00:30:13.240 It's easy to – what do we call it?

00:30:16.060 Armchair quarterback or whatever?

00:30:17.420 Monday morning quarterback.

00:30:17.980 Monday morning quarterback.

00:30:18.780 It's easy to look at slow motion videos and just know.

00:30:21.820 But he didn't walk in front of the vehicle.

00:30:25.400 There's a combination of factors that placed him in front of the vehicle, including a step he took, which I would say I don't think he intended to stand in front of the vehicle.

00:30:31.820 I also don't think Renee Goode intended to place an officer in front of her vehicle.

00:30:35.440 I believe she intended to evade arrest.

00:30:37.580 And in the process, the circumstances aligned by which both are now in this circumstance.

00:30:41.080 So I don't think – I said the other day when I watched the video footage of the tire spinning out right there, that's hitting the gas.

00:30:49.600 And he's standing right in front of her.

00:30:50.980 And she knows that.

00:30:52.220 I had said first when the story broke, I didn't think she was trying to kill him.

00:30:55.860 I thought she was trying to evade arrest.

00:30:57.160 Then after watching this and breaking it all down, I'm like, holy shit.

00:31:00.300 No, she hits the gas with him right in front of her.

00:31:02.500 She's not turning her wheel to the right.

00:31:03.300 And that's when he starts spooling the weapon.

00:31:04.580 Right.

00:31:04.960 And then I said, I think she actually did intend to kill him.

00:31:08.340 However, new video footage has come out.

00:31:10.380 And after further analysis, I'm going to walk back a little bit and say, my assumption right now is she was trying to evade arrest and did not care if she killed this man in the process.

00:31:20.320 She was trying to escape.

00:31:21.640 And if it were not for the ice on the ground, that car would have lurched forward.

00:31:25.680 I mean, you can see the tire spin out.

00:31:27.140 She would have slammed right into him.

00:31:28.240 He's standing there already in near conduct of the vehicle.

00:31:32.200 He takes a step to the right, but you can see they're standing on ice.

00:31:35.320 And the proof of the ice is he slides backwards when the car hits him.

00:31:38.900 Now I'm going to show you this video again.

00:31:40.940 Okay?

00:31:41.340 It's one second till death.

00:31:42.380 As the Jeep continued to advance, Officer Caprio got off one shot.

00:31:46.780 Dead.

00:31:47.180 One second.

00:31:48.200 Literally one second.

00:31:49.680 I think this is a slam dunk for the defense, but I'm not convinced Trump will allow it to even go to court.

00:31:53.920 I just find it lamentable that because of the polarization that is happening in the country, right?

00:31:59.420 That it's like, you know, you have to always defend law enforcement and you always have to, you know, attack law enforcement.

00:32:03.920 We're not actually having a normal discussion about a tragedy.

00:32:08.060 And it's going to be the state of Minnesota is just going to try to put him in prison to get a political win against Trump.

00:32:14.700 They probably don't even give a crap about it.

00:32:17.180 They just hate the ice deployment.

00:32:19.220 And the federal government is not going to cooperate in what there should actually be a comprehensive investigation with cooperation on both sides.

00:32:25.800 But nobody is good faith.

00:32:27.060 I disagree.

00:32:27.640 You don't?

00:32:28.640 You disagree?

00:32:29.140 I disagree.

00:32:29.660 Well, of course, because the other side is no good faith.

00:32:31.820 Exactly.

00:32:32.480 We just...

00:32:33.380 It would be ideal if they were.

00:32:34.940 And I'll tell you my personal bias because I'm sure a lot of people are going to say functionally and reasonably we have to have a system and all that.

00:32:40.460 But my personal bias is that I can't be at my home studio right now because someone drove by and took three shots at me.

00:32:46.240 These people are not operating in good faith.

00:32:47.920 They're calling for my murder.

00:32:49.280 They're celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:32:51.060 And if this cop died, they'd be dancing on his grave right now and doing the exact same thing they're doing.

00:32:55.720 So if we keep bending the knee to people who are committing crimes and calling for the murder of others, right now they're chanting, Christy Noem should be hanged.

00:33:03.300 If we say we're going to play softball with people who are actively murdering us, we're dead.

00:33:07.720 We're dead.

00:33:08.180 So Trump should resign now.

00:33:09.540 I'll move to El Salvador if that's what we're going to do.

00:33:12.740 So a month ago, someone drove by my studio and took three shots.

00:33:16.560 And now we've got employees and my family.

00:33:18.500 We don't want to be at a place where someone just took shots at us.

00:33:21.080 And they celebrate it.

00:33:23.000 And worse, people on the right call me a liar.

00:33:25.100 And here we are in Florida because we don't want to go back.

00:33:27.740 We spent the last week there because we had one week and we paid for advanced security to do so.

00:33:32.240 And now we're not going back there.

00:33:33.880 So this is an incident where a woman chose to go to a place where federal law enforcement was conducting operations they knew.

00:33:40.220 She had training to obstruct them from Ice Watch.

00:33:43.480 She was, according to witnesses, the ringleader leading the charge to obstruct the vehicles from passing.

00:33:48.440 They attempted to make an arrest.

00:33:49.840 She tried to flee.

00:33:51.000 And in the process of fleeing, she struck an officer.

00:33:53.540 I don't know how this is not clear cut.

00:33:54.820 Did he know all of that at the time that this occurred?

00:33:57.560 The officer?

00:33:58.280 Yeah.

00:33:58.840 Does that matter?

00:33:59.640 Yes.

00:33:59.940 Of course it matters.

00:34:01.200 No, it doesn't.

00:34:01.680 She struck him.

00:34:02.440 He shot her.

00:34:03.060 End of story.

00:34:03.380 Well, to me, that's the only thing that's relevant is use of force in that specific incident, regardless of what her ideology is personally or what her beliefs are, what she was up to earlier in the day.

00:34:13.300 Her activity in the moment is the most relevant thing to me as far as just looking at the use of force.

00:34:18.320 The perception of danger matters for the legal case very much.

00:34:21.080 Well, his perception, yes.

00:34:22.200 And that I agree with.

00:34:23.080 But also, it doesn't just hinge on his subjective.

00:34:25.360 I think getting hit by a vehicle is enough.

00:34:26.580 It doesn't just hinge on his subjective interpretation of whether or not his life was in imminent danger because, like Dave said, it's also going to factor in an objective analysis.

00:34:34.840 So would a reasonable person in the same circumstances as this individual act the same way or be rational to think that they need to act the same way?

00:34:43.340 And I tell you what's going to happen.

00:34:45.240 They're going to – let me pull up this – I'll pull up this post as I talk about it.

00:34:49.680 They're going to highlight the serious injuries he had received after being struck by a car six months ago.

00:34:54.260 Right.

00:34:54.540 And I've got an image of the injuries he sustained, which I would not call critical, but I would consider to be decently serious.

00:35:02.540 I mean, let me pull this up for you guys so you can take a look.

00:35:05.040 Here are the injuries he sustained six months prior from being dragged 300 feet on the front of a vehicle.

00:35:11.340 Six months ago?

00:35:12.360 Six months ago, indeed.

00:35:13.520 What does this have to do with justifying use of force?

00:35:16.140 So the question is, does he have reasonable fear of being killed after six months ago on the job he was struck by a vehicle and dragged 300 feet and seriously injured, had to get 33 stitches and was covered in blood?

00:35:25.940 So now a vehicle has struck him, and so this does play to whether or not he perceived a threat.

00:35:30.700 Well, that speaks to whether or not he's traumatized, but I don't know that just because he's traumatized in a past incident –

00:35:35.720 But that's the legal standard, is that if a reasonable person were in his circumstances, not if we were –

00:35:40.400 Well, in those exact circumstances, not if they lived –

00:35:43.080 This is the exact circumstances.

00:35:44.320 Dave, is it including their past experience, even back to six months ago when they experienced trauma?

00:35:49.300 I don't think so.

00:35:50.020 I think it hinges on whether or not a person in those exact circumstances not factoring in their entire life story.

00:35:55.340 Well, it's based on his training and his experience, what would be reasonable in his mind.

00:36:00.140 So if he had trauma in the past because he was dragged by someone, that could come into play in a trial.

00:36:06.240 It's another reason why it's so hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a crime here.

00:36:10.840 I mean, I think he should not have shot.

00:36:12.180 I thought he had the chance to step out of the way.

00:36:14.560 I think he violated the DOJ and DHS policies.

00:36:18.720 But as far as being a prosecutor and convicting him beyond reasonable doubt, it's going to be hard.

00:36:23.580 But let me ask you this.

00:36:25.740 I agree.

00:36:26.500 I don't think he should have shot.

00:36:27.520 But I also factor in this in the law in the mind of law enforcement having dealt with these things.

00:36:32.920 And this was a high profile story.

00:36:34.520 Not that it necessarily is admissible or but I think cops like they see these things, but his trauma.

00:36:39.900 And so I ask myself, why did he decide to shoot?

00:36:43.260 Well, honestly, I don't know what I would do.

00:36:45.020 I mean, he's in front of a vehicle.

00:36:46.420 He can't see its tires.

00:36:47.500 It's accelerated towards him.

00:36:48.840 Its tires spun out.

00:36:49.800 He heard the engine rev.

00:36:51.220 He's standing on ice.

00:36:52.440 He might be like, I'm dead.

00:36:54.040 So you don't know what you would do for the first shot.

00:36:56.360 But what the two subsequent ones after you would have taken those two shots after?

00:37:00.660 I think the argument is it's all one second there.

00:37:05.620 You're not taking a shot, freezing time and saying, OK, what were her hands?

00:37:09.380 What are her hands doing?

00:37:10.240 Oh, she's turning to the right.

00:37:11.360 Every single use of force is going to be analyzed.

00:37:13.860 It's not just going to be seen as one continuous thing.

00:37:16.520 I know that they're going to argue that it's going to win easily.

00:37:19.080 But do you think that those two set the two shots afterwards, not the first one?

00:37:23.260 They're immaterial.

00:37:24.140 So you think they're immaterial.

00:37:25.600 You'd like you don't think they're justified.

00:37:27.780 I think defense will, if allowed, create.

00:37:30.300 No, no, not defense, Tim.

00:37:31.780 What do you think?

00:37:32.840 Do you think about those two subsequent?

00:37:35.140 I already they're immaterial to what was right or wrong.

00:37:38.080 Well, how can they be immaterial?

00:37:38.620 Every single use of force has to be looked at.

00:37:39.780 Because you can't stop time and freeze everything around you and make a decision.

00:37:44.020 This is one second adrenaline pumping.

00:37:45.680 I'm not saying that you can't stop time.

00:37:47.300 I did not say defense.

00:37:49.380 I'm saying that every single one needs to be looked at individually.

00:37:51.160 When you are in a moment and your adrenaline is pumping, time does not stop.

00:37:55.500 When you decide to use lethal force, it's bang, bang, bang.

00:37:58.420 That was one second, three shots fired.

00:38:00.300 He didn't fire the first shot.

00:38:01.980 Stop and then go, OK, now what's the car doing?

00:38:04.300 The car hit him and he went bang, bang, bang right away.

00:38:07.120 There's no freezing.

00:38:08.140 There's no assessment.

00:38:08.800 There's pure adrenaline after being hit by a car.

00:38:10.940 That's it.

00:38:11.720 I think you're refusing to answer whether or not.

00:38:13.540 I literally just said it was OK.

00:38:15.380 He shot her three times.

00:38:16.620 How many times do I got to say it?

00:38:17.700 No, you were saying that the defendant's going to argue that.

00:38:20.100 You were saying that a jury could say that.

00:38:21.640 Outside of the defense, regardless of criminal trials, those shots are immaterial to the argument.

00:38:26.760 Within a span of one second.

00:38:28.400 So now you are saying all three are justified, even the last two.

00:38:31.860 Yes.

00:38:32.420 OK.

00:38:33.640 100%.

00:38:33.920 Because you have never been in a life or death situation like this, have you?

00:38:38.060 No.

00:38:38.460 I have.

00:38:39.320 OK.

00:38:39.620 There's no stopping and being like, let's freeze time as the bolts are flying and figure what the appropriate course of action is.

00:38:44.560 I had to jump on the ground and bash my face on the concrete to avoid bullets in Ferguson.

00:38:48.700 There was no time period where after the first shot was fired, I said, stop.

00:38:52.620 Should I turn to my right?

00:38:53.800 Turn to my left?

00:38:54.800 What should I do?

00:38:55.680 No, I literally just dropped my weight and belly flopped on the ground as bullets whipped crack past my head.

00:39:01.360 When I was shot at the second time in Ferguson and the police told us to run from the bullets, I didn't know which direction I was running.

00:39:07.720 Even though it took 15 seconds, my brain, it's tunnel vision.

00:39:11.680 There's no peripheral vision.

00:39:12.840 I can only see what's in front of me.

00:39:14.620 I ran through a wall of tear gas, asphyxiated and collapsed.

00:39:17.540 And then a kid came out, poured cold water on my face, which triggered an inhalation response and woke me up from passing out.

00:39:23.860 This shit is fucking terrifying.

00:39:26.200 In the span of one second, you have a decision to make.

00:39:29.260 I am being hit by a car.

00:39:30.680 I might die.

00:39:31.820 This happened to me before.

00:39:33.080 She must be stopped.

00:39:34.280 Bang, bang, bang.

00:39:35.320 There is no moment where he stopped to reassess because it was one second.

00:39:39.760 I'm not saying that it wasn't a scary situation.

00:39:42.160 I'm not saying that tensions weren't high.

00:39:43.940 I'm not saying the adrenaline isn't pumping.

00:39:46.560 But he is an officer.

00:39:48.280 He is law enforcement that's trained to be able to handle a weapon properly.

00:39:52.120 And even in these high-state situations, the whole point of all of their training is to be able to act with more precision than the average person.

00:39:59.120 Yeah, that's a disciplinary issue of training, not a murder issue.

00:40:03.280 But he can't freeze time.

00:40:04.200 He can't freeze time.

00:40:05.360 I'm not saying that he can freeze time.

00:40:06.360 I'm saying that it's incumbent upon him to act in conformity, not only with the law, but also with this training.

00:40:11.920 And he was not even acting in conformity with his training.

00:40:15.120 That's an opinion.

00:40:15.860 Well, but if he did, if he does violate the policy, but if he did violate the policy, and which policy did violate, he violated the policy where you don't stand in front of a car and you don't shoot if you could step away.

00:40:26.940 Okay, now we got to stop.

00:40:28.220 As we've already gone through, both he and the vehicle line up.

00:40:31.420 I do not believe that shows his intent to get in front of a vehicle.

00:40:34.600 I think the circumstances created that scenario.

00:40:38.080 I'm not going to blame her for putting him in front, nor he for getting in front, because you can say they both make movements.

00:40:42.580 So that means in a second, he does not know the vehicle is going to turn and point at him as he's stepping to his right.

00:40:48.380 He might think he's going to the front right side of the vehicle and not in its path, but it turned in front of him.

00:40:52.960 There was no alternative there at that point.

00:40:54.420 There was no alternative to avoid the confrontation he had to shoot to save his life.

00:40:58.520 Did he know the vehicle was going to accelerate towards him?

00:41:01.640 I think the way that it was turning away from him, I don't think that there was ever a real threat to his life.

00:41:06.740 I don't think you can argue that within the span of two seconds, he calculated exactly what the car was going to do as it turned to face him and he was walking to his right.

00:41:16.120 So the point is this.

00:41:17.980 Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, right?

00:41:19.700 But that's an analysis that is going to require debate.

00:41:22.520 It's not an objective fact.

00:41:23.700 So when you say he violated the policy, I say, actually, that's the debate.

00:41:28.680 Why did that happen?

00:41:29.920 The second thing you say he violated was that he shouldn't discharge a firearm unless the vehicle was acting in a matter that threatened his life.

00:41:35.380 That is, again, an argument.

00:41:36.760 It accelerated towards him.

00:41:37.900 And by all means, you can argue it didn't.

00:41:39.620 And he may be wrong, but we are not talking about a fact statement.

00:41:42.340 We're talking about an opinion statement.

00:41:44.180 And this is why this case will be so difficult to prosecute, because what you've seen here is a microcosm of the trial.

00:41:49.500 It'll be like the defense lawyers will say, look, boom, boom, boom, all at once.

00:41:53.940 It's a split second decision.

00:41:55.480 And the prosecution will say, slow down the tape.

00:41:58.840 Here it is.

00:41:59.320 Boom.

00:41:59.660 And then she's pulling away.

00:42:00.820 It's not a threat.

00:42:01.800 Boom, boom.

00:42:02.860 And that's the problem with this case as a prosecutor is that because you can debate this, it's going to be hard to convict beyond any reasonable doubt.

00:42:11.700 How are you going to get a jury?

00:42:12.780 How are you going to get a jury to unanimously say guilty?

00:42:15.340 I just don't see it at all.

00:42:16.500 Especially with this photo right here.

00:42:17.740 For the last two shots, I think that there's a good chance that you could get some, like, a jury to say that there was no need to apply lethal force in that instance, that it's not reasonable from, you know, neither subjective, in my opinion, or objective perspective, that he could have believed that his life was in imminent danger and she needed to be shot that second and third time.

00:42:36.660 I have a better argument.

00:42:37.440 As she's turned away from him.

00:42:39.580 Actually, I have a better argument, actually.

00:42:41.560 I don't think any of those arguments are real.

00:42:44.860 I don't think, I mean, to us they are because we're actually trying to figure out what happened, right?

00:42:48.900 I think the reality is venue.

00:42:52.840 So if they do Minnesota and the jury is composed of liberals, the prosecutor need only say one thing to get a conviction.

00:43:01.320 She was a liberal.

00:43:02.500 And they say guilty.

00:43:03.840 But it won't be all liberals.

00:43:04.880 This will be a jury panel from the whole state, not just from that liberal area.

00:43:08.420 You know what you're going to see?

00:43:09.340 You're going to see, as we already did in the Trump case, you're going to see liberals who claim they're not liberals.

00:43:16.420 And they're going to go through jury selection and they're going to say, I don't watch the news.

00:43:19.900 I don't know much about it.

00:43:20.580 I'm not political.

00:43:21.300 And then after the trial, you're going to find out they have a whole wall of Facebook posts about how they're liberals because that's already happened.

00:43:26.240 So we'll just get a hung jury?

00:43:27.880 Well, it could be.

00:43:28.880 I don't think you get a jury at all.

00:43:30.100 By the way, in the Trump case in New York, one of the jurors later on revealed that he was a devotee of the Tim Poole IRL podcast.

00:43:36.980 What?

00:43:37.240 That is incorrect.

00:43:38.420 That's the story.

00:43:38.980 He said he was a fan of Tim Poole.

00:43:39.960 No, he didn't.

00:43:40.560 He said he had seen one episode one time.

00:43:43.500 Okay.

00:43:43.980 That's it?

00:43:44.560 He wasn't a fan?

00:43:45.260 Yep.

00:43:45.640 He wasn't a fan.

00:43:46.460 He wasn't a fan?

00:43:47.300 This is what we have to deal with all the time.

00:43:49.240 Like, I was having a conversation recently with a guy who said he was a liberal.

00:43:54.240 And I said, what does it mean to be a liberal or conservative in this country right now?

00:43:57.360 It means you either know what's happening or you don't.

00:43:59.120 And he said, I actually don't watch the news at all.

00:44:01.520 And I'm like, I know because my policy positions are like pro choice, pro progressive tax and would align with any normal liberal worldview.

00:44:10.960 Except when I say a thing happened, they go, you're a conservative, not for having said that.

00:44:15.200 Being conservative just means you believe a set of facts.

00:44:18.100 And liberals tend to be people who don't watch the news or get their news through lies.

00:44:22.560 For example, the photo that's being shared far and wide by the left is this.

00:44:29.600 The officer pointing his weapon at the side of the vehicle, which certainly did happen, but is after the fact context.

00:44:36.420 They're taking this screenshot and they're saying he walked up to the car and executed her.

00:44:42.120 When in actuality, she justifies that.

00:44:45.280 What context justifies those two additional shots?

00:44:47.600 Did you see this video right here?

00:44:48.760 Yes, I do.

00:44:49.300 That's after the shots were already fired.

00:44:51.100 But who's claiming that he walked into the car to shot at her?

00:44:54.200 High profile A-list or celebrities.

00:44:56.260 And I've already highlighted some of these on my show are saying he walked up to the car and shot her in the side of the head.

00:45:02.000 And so what happens is Normie Libs, people like Seema Liu, this is not when the shot is happening.

00:45:08.420 This is after the shots.

00:45:09.740 He didn't walk to the car to shot her.

00:45:11.260 After the shots and claiming he walked up to her car and shot her.

00:45:14.880 On Wikipedia, they wrote that she was turning her car around, was executed, and was shot in the head.

00:45:20.660 The reality is much more nuanced.

00:45:22.440 And there's certainly an argument to be made about whether he should or should not have shot.

00:45:25.800 But the fact is she accelerates towards him.

00:45:28.100 She strikes him with the vehicle.

00:45:29.460 And then he makes three rapid shots.

00:45:31.460 So what's the argument that he shouldn't have shot?

00:45:33.220 He did not walk up to her and just execute her.

00:45:34.520 What's the argument to you that he shouldn't have shot?

00:45:36.080 The argument to me is that I have been in life or death situations.

00:45:39.520 No, no, no, no.

00:45:39.540 That he shouldn't have shot.

00:45:40.460 Because you said there's an argument to be made that he shouldn't have been shot.

00:45:42.580 He shouldn't have been shot.

00:45:43.060 What's that argument?

00:45:43.720 So let me finish.

00:45:45.280 My argument is having actually been in life or death situations where I've been shot at,

00:45:50.040 my reaction would not have been his to fire these shots.

00:45:53.480 However, I am not him.

00:45:54.860 He is someone who experienced trauma.

00:45:56.700 Therefore, I think this is an easy dismissal.

00:45:59.320 It's a tragedy.

00:46:00.700 Shouldn't have happened.

00:46:01.400 However, in law, if you are committing a felony, attempting to evade arrest and put an officer

00:46:08.240 and commit an assault on an officer, which this is, you will face lethal force from a

00:46:13.280 from a litany, from a spattering of various officers.

00:46:16.680 Not every officer would react the same way.

00:46:18.580 If it were me, I wouldn't have shot.

00:46:20.460 That's just me.

00:46:21.460 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:46:22.220 Tim, can we talk about the fact that all of this is happening because the left is doing

00:46:28.180 a national campaign to obstruct law enforcement?

00:46:30.800 I mean, this is really what's behind all of this.

00:46:33.780 Yes, it's not real.

00:46:35.500 Look, the debate over this shooting exists only among those who are trying to fix this

00:46:42.540 country and liberal activists are trying to change this country.

00:46:46.680 So if you are a revolutionary or you believe the system is so corrupt that you would celebrate

00:46:52.020 Luigi Mangione or the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you don't care what the facts are.

00:46:57.340 You care about winning.

00:46:58.040 And I'll say, let me say about these people, the people who were calling for hanging Cristino

00:47:02.420 in New York City, I think it was yesterday, last night, the man leading that protest,

00:47:07.220 you can look him up.

00:47:07.820 His name is Manolo de los Santos.

00:47:09.600 He's original from the Dominican Republic.

00:47:11.840 He leads a Marxist group in New York City called the People's Forum.

00:47:14.780 It's the same guy who organized a protest calling for the liberation of Maduro.

00:47:18.060 It gets better.

00:47:20.400 He got arrested at the Colombia pro-Hamas protest too.

00:47:23.500 Yeah.

00:47:23.940 It's all the same people.

00:47:25.680 I'm shocked that he's also pro-Hamas.

00:47:27.500 Oh, wait, wait.

00:47:28.600 He's a personal friend of the dictator of Cuba.

00:47:30.680 He was just in Cuba hanging out with his pal.

00:47:32.900 Now, see, see.

00:47:33.660 These are the Marxist groups organizing the destruction.

00:47:36.440 You're trying to be reasonable and assess a singular moment.

00:47:39.540 The activists are lying to try and force a change of this government.

00:47:43.920 I hate doing the both sides-ism because that's always lazy thinking.

00:47:48.060 But let me just say this.

00:47:49.240 I don't disagree with you, Dan.

00:47:50.920 And my concern is that when Cristino came down,

00:47:53.580 the first thing she said was, this is a domestic terrorist.

00:47:56.780 That's not a domestic terrorist.

00:47:58.120 Oh, her, I'm not sure.

00:47:59.680 Her, I'm not sure.

00:48:00.240 She lights the fire.

00:48:01.260 I can tell you that there are groups that are definitely the closest

00:48:06.040 that I have ever seen to domestic terrorism

00:48:07.920 that are funded by foreign tyrants

00:48:09.860 who are trying to destroy America from the inside

00:48:11.700 because they know they cannot beat us militarily.

00:48:13.680 You know what you fall victim to?

00:48:15.660 You're waiting for an over-the-top attack,

00:48:18.540 but any true subterfuge will never present that.

00:48:21.680 Meaning, she was trained by a group called Ice Watch.

00:48:25.340 She is not from Minnesota.

00:48:27.000 Do we know all this for sure?

00:48:27.560 Oh, she's not from Minnesota?

00:48:28.800 Yes.

00:48:28.980 That she was trained and she was-

00:48:30.060 Yes.

00:48:30.780 Let me pull it up.

00:48:32.880 Colorado.

00:48:33.580 So she drove from Colorado to do that?

00:48:35.220 We don't know that.

00:48:35.660 She may have moved there.

00:48:36.640 Oh, okay.

00:48:36.960 I think we have this from the New York Post.

00:48:40.120 Even if she was trained or whatever,

00:48:41.580 would that make her a domestic terrorist?

00:48:42.500 She trained to resist feds,

00:48:44.320 part of a group called Ice Watch.

00:48:46.480 She was an Ice Watch warrior.

00:48:47.960 The point is this.

00:48:49.160 What we see with left and right over the past 10 years

00:48:52.360 is that the left engages in a sustained campaign

00:48:55.420 of what I would call blunt force terrorism.

00:48:57.580 What you see associated with the right,

00:48:59.500 but not part of any right-wing movement,

00:49:01.060 is what I would call acute high-incident terrorism.

00:49:04.840 So let me break this down.

00:49:05.500 Since Trump got elected,

00:49:07.600 we have had a string of hundreds per year

00:49:09.660 of physical assaults on Trump supporters.

00:49:11.800 Blair White, a trans woman,

00:49:13.060 most famously walked through LA with a Trump hat

00:49:14.820 and was beaten

00:49:15.640 and had one of her nails bloodied,

00:49:17.520 like ripped off in the attack.

00:49:20.700 That's blunt force, low-level terror.

00:49:22.660 When you are scared to go outside

00:49:24.580 saying, I want to vote for a guy

00:49:26.160 because people will physically attack you,

00:49:27.940 when Nick Sorter can't go to Minneapolis

00:49:30.000 because they're threatening to kill him

00:49:31.020 and the police won't help him,

00:49:31.940 that is literal terrorism.

00:49:34.800 But it's not acute.

00:49:36.540 So when you see the Christchurch shooter,

00:49:39.380 you see an individual who's saying extremists,

00:49:42.720 white supremacists, or other things.

00:49:45.000 This makes the news everywhere.

00:49:46.960 Everyone's talking about it.

00:49:48.160 They then say he was right-wing.

00:49:49.540 Now, there's two problems with this.

00:49:50.940 So long as the left maintains subterfuge

00:49:54.120 and what I would call low-level blunt force terror,

00:49:56.120 but at a high degree,

00:49:57.320 national news will never cover it.

00:49:58.680 CNN's never going to run a headline 9 p.m. Anderson Cooper

00:50:01.760 about a guy who got punched in the face.

00:50:03.280 But they will run a story

00:50:04.260 about a guy shooting a bunch of people.

00:50:05.940 That will get more attention than anything.

00:50:08.380 The second problem with this

00:50:09.880 is that when you see this debate

00:50:12.640 over left and right acts of violence,

00:50:15.140 it's a total fabrication.

00:50:17.020 Because the terror that you see on the right,

00:50:19.000 like a white supremacist beating his wife,

00:50:21.120 is registered by the ADL as like a racist attack

00:50:24.540 or a white supremacy attack.

00:50:25.740 Like, the mainstream Republican Party

00:50:28.300 eschews all of this.

00:50:29.380 And Charlie Kirk kicked out

00:50:31.080 white nationalists from his event.

00:50:32.840 Yeah, they're saying that being a racist

00:50:34.380 is right-wing-wing.

00:50:35.080 It's really not.

00:50:35.780 It's not.

00:50:36.720 It is racist.

00:50:37.500 When Turning Point USA says,

00:50:38.900 Cenk Uygur's allowed on our stage to debate,

00:50:40.480 but Nick Fuentes is not,

00:50:41.560 then you can't claim that white nationalists

00:50:44.700 and white supremacy is part of the quote-unquote right

00:50:46.700 because the right rejects it.

00:50:48.520 However, on the left,

00:50:49.840 they're literally,

00:50:51.420 the people, the activists,

00:50:52.960 are saying Charlie Kirk deserved what he got.

00:50:55.400 AOC went on the floor of the house

00:50:56.860 and said,

00:50:57.880 don't celebrate or defend him

00:50:59.020 because he was awful.

00:51:00.420 Nobody should die that way,

00:51:01.720 but he was a bad guy.

00:51:03.160 So there was an alignment on the left

00:51:04.760 from the extreme,

00:51:05.800 and that's,

00:51:06.400 only that is why the Atlantic

00:51:08.360 and organizations are finally saying

00:51:10.100 the left is more violent.

00:51:11.260 But going back 10 years,

00:51:13.160 going back,

00:51:13.860 my experience is on the ground

00:51:15.200 at all these protests.

00:51:16.580 I have been to hundreds of leftist protests,

00:51:20.160 and I've been physically attacked

00:51:21.500 dozens of times.

00:51:22.240 I have been to an equal amount

00:51:24.300 of right-wing protests.

00:51:25.340 I've not been physically attacked

00:51:26.300 by a conservative ever, ever.

00:51:28.820 So when you look at the data,

00:51:31.020 I would argue this.

00:51:32.820 Are individuals aligned

00:51:34.120 with Democratic politicians

00:51:35.400 and Democratic Party engaging in violence?

00:51:37.360 Yeah, it's low level,

00:51:38.300 but it's consistent.

00:51:39.300 We see the Chaz Chop.

00:51:40.580 We see these protests.

00:51:41.660 We see Andy Ngo getting beaten.

00:51:43.080 We see Nick Sorder getting death threats.

00:51:45.020 We see the corporate press

00:51:46.800 acting toward that same ideology.

00:51:50.580 Okay, do we see this level of violence

00:51:52.140 on the right?

00:51:52.660 Actually, no.

00:51:53.880 I mean, fringe wackos

00:51:55.000 on both the left and the right

00:51:55.800 will engage in violence,

00:51:56.720 but there are fringe leftists

00:51:58.220 that are not aligned

00:51:58.800 with any political party,

00:51:59.940 and there are fringe right-wingers

00:52:01.040 not aligned with any political party.

00:52:02.740 It makes no sense

00:52:03.520 to lump them into the bigger picture.

00:52:05.440 Wait, you said you've never been

00:52:06.660 assaulted by anybody on the right

00:52:08.300 or, like, harmed?

00:52:09.520 I've never been physically attacked

00:52:10.900 at a conservative protest

00:52:12.240 by conservatives.

00:52:12.760 But your place got shot up.

00:52:13.260 Wait, wait, wait.

00:52:14.060 Well, I was going to say

00:52:14.820 the shooting as well,

00:52:15.980 but I saw a video of you years ago

00:52:17.840 where that guy, Millennial Matt,

00:52:19.320 pulled my hat off?

00:52:20.340 Pulled your beanie off

00:52:21.240 and you got upset with him.

00:52:21.540 I don't put that on par

00:52:22.400 with being punched in the face

00:52:23.520 or being shot at.

00:52:24.340 I'm not putting it on par

00:52:25.280 with being punched in the face

00:52:26.560 or being shot at,

00:52:27.160 but I'm saying that-

00:52:27.260 I don't consider having my hat

00:52:28.280 pulled off being physically assaulted.

00:52:29.780 I consider someone trolling me,

00:52:31.220 and I got pissed,

00:52:32.000 and the reason why I didn't strike him

00:52:33.340 at the time

00:52:33.700 is because he didn't attack me.

00:52:35.040 He just grabbed my hat.

00:52:36.060 But he was on the right, right?

00:52:37.520 He was at the United Right.

00:52:37.860 That's not a physical assault.

00:52:39.260 But he was conservative, right?

00:52:40.880 Millennial Matt was-

00:52:41.560 And as I said,

00:52:42.220 I've never been physically assaulted

00:52:43.360 by a conservative.

00:52:44.200 What about the shooting

00:52:45.360 at your compound, right?

00:52:46.900 That was probably

00:52:48.120 a Candace Owens supporter.

00:52:49.660 We don't know that,

00:52:50.400 and the death threats we've received

00:52:51.280 are all from the left.

00:52:52.540 But what do you think this-

00:52:54.580 And Candace Owens is a liberal.

00:52:56.940 Yeah, but she-

00:52:57.460 She cosplays as far as right.

00:53:00.000 No, she doesn't.

00:53:00.840 She's a liberal.

00:53:01.720 No, but she's trying to take over

00:53:03.340 part of the movement,

00:53:05.300 and certainly her audience

00:53:06.280 considers themselves conservative.

00:53:07.920 No, that's not correct.

00:53:08.620 You don't think so?

00:53:09.480 Anna Kasparian is not

00:53:10.460 considered herself a conservative.

00:53:11.340 No, the audience of-

00:53:12.320 Yes, Anna Kasparian is a pro-

00:53:13.940 I wouldn't consider her the audience.

00:53:15.180 She went on a show and said,

00:53:16.860 I'm a big fan of Candace Owens

00:53:17.980 and watch her all the time.

00:53:18.660 Well, I can tell you,

00:53:19.280 I know people who watch-

00:53:21.280 No, no.

00:53:22.020 It's that Candace Owens-

00:53:23.460 Candace has adopted

00:53:24.740 a liberal moral framework.

00:53:26.880 She's not advocating

00:53:27.640 for universal health care

00:53:28.840 because that's not what liberal is.

00:53:30.720 But if you're saying Trump is bad,

00:53:32.740 and you're attacking

00:53:33.880 Turning Point USA,

00:53:35.160 and you're claiming

00:53:35.880 Israel is the problem,

00:53:37.420 you are aligned

00:53:38.260 with the liberal ideological world.

00:53:40.640 I agree absolutely with you.

00:53:42.020 What I'm trying to say

00:53:42.960 is that there are influencers,

00:53:45.380 there are bad people,

00:53:47.240 opinion leaders, unfortunately,

00:53:49.020 who consider themselves

00:53:50.420 part of the right,

00:53:51.580 whose audience considers themselves

00:53:53.720 also part of the right,

00:53:55.140 and they're causing

00:53:55.980 a lot of problems.

00:53:56.880 They're not equivalent

00:53:57.660 to what the Marxists are causing.

00:53:59.040 The point is,

00:53:59.580 Candace Owens is pulling people

00:54:01.520 towards the left

00:54:02.200 and adopting liberal frameworks.

00:54:03.500 Yes, I agree.

00:54:04.180 Her audience is now mixed

00:54:05.800 between liberals

00:54:06.540 and conservatives.

00:54:07.540 It's a general conspiracy theory audience.

00:54:09.840 That's right.

00:54:10.200 She's not focused

00:54:10.880 on any policy positions.

00:54:12.500 She's specifically talking

00:54:13.580 about conspiracies

00:54:14.820 that apply to left and right

00:54:16.460 with Israel being the enemy.

00:54:18.680 I don't know if you saw

00:54:19.560 our poll or Manhattan Institute poll

00:54:21.380 on extremism on both sides

00:54:23.960 and how young people,

00:54:25.500 but also people

00:54:26.700 who consider themselves

00:54:27.520 extremely conservative,

00:54:28.800 especially who are young,

00:54:30.140 believe on anti-Semitic

00:54:31.240 conspiracy theories

00:54:32.240 at the highest rate.

00:54:33.720 Yeah, I think-

00:54:34.340 So it's a problem

00:54:34.920 because these influencers

00:54:36.020 are changing the opinions.

00:54:38.840 I'll tell you exactly

00:54:39.880 what I think.

00:54:40.460 Barry Weiss is hired

00:54:41.360 by Larry Ellison at CBS

00:54:42.500 and asserts herself

00:54:44.300 as a proud Zionist.

00:54:45.400 CBS begins cleaning up

00:54:46.780 its act in abandoning wokeness

00:54:47.980 to create what appears

00:54:48.800 to be a more rational media ecosystem,

00:54:52.440 and I agree it is,

00:54:54.100 but this now erasing woke activism

00:54:56.280 from corporate press

00:54:57.700 is going to make

00:54:58.420 moderate individuals

00:54:59.260 and people like me say

00:55:00.200 CBS is doing a good job,

00:55:01.680 which I did say.

00:55:02.660 However, it's a proud Zionist

00:55:04.380 leading that charge,

00:55:05.600 which creates a positive environment

00:55:07.240 in that perception.

00:55:08.720 YouTube at the same time

00:55:09.500 is putting people

00:55:10.140 like Candace Owens

00:55:10.800 on the front page

00:55:11.480 and boosting her views,

00:55:12.440 which is now pushing conservatives

00:55:14.120 into a Zijus position.

00:55:16.080 It's why the New York Times

00:55:17.480 did a positive picture

00:55:18.980 and everything of Nick Fuentes.

00:55:20.340 Right.

00:55:20.660 They want that.

00:55:21.600 They want the right to be,

00:55:23.140 so for the past 10 years,

00:55:24.620 the left has entertained

00:55:26.160 things that are weird.

00:55:27.540 Child sex changes,

00:55:28.620 tuck friendly bathing suits,

00:55:30.840 the Bud Light campaign

00:55:32.180 caused massive economic damage.

00:55:33.920 They realized that censorship

00:55:35.240 and this activist advocacy

00:55:36.620 was actually reducing their power

00:55:38.420 and fomenting anti-Israel sentiment.

00:55:40.700 I believe they're overtly pro-Israel.

00:55:42.980 So here's the plan.

00:55:44.000 Again, everybody's pissed

00:55:45.900 about wokeness.

00:55:47.320 Barry Weiss, proud Zionist

00:55:48.760 and anti-woke.

00:55:50.740 Give her the reins of CBS.

00:55:52.860 Moderates will then say,

00:55:53.960 this is what we always wanted.

00:55:55.860 Israel being a sidestep

00:55:57.060 because your average middle American

00:55:58.820 doesn't care about

00:55:59.280 the concept of Israel,

00:56:00.260 but you've now created

00:56:01.300 a news organization

00:56:02.180 that is not going to be anti-Israel,

00:56:04.440 is going to appear more reasonable.

00:56:06.080 Then you promote wackaloons

00:56:07.840 who say the Jews

00:56:08.780 are everyone out to get me

00:56:09.760 and the right starts adopting it

00:56:11.520 because they're grifters,

00:56:12.480 not all of them,

00:56:12.900 but many of them,

00:56:13.700 they're going to get views.

00:56:14.740 Now they sound like retards

00:56:16.140 and they'll go to

00:56:17.060 a working class American

00:56:17.920 and say,

00:56:18.780 you know why you got a flat tire?

00:56:19.860 The Jews did it.

00:56:20.720 And they're going to say,

00:56:21.620 you're nuts.

00:56:22.420 Then Barry Weiss is going to say,

00:56:23.820 these people are crazy.

00:56:24.900 Your flat tire is from a nail.

00:56:26.340 Right?

00:56:26.860 Okay, Israel's great.

00:56:28.040 Tim, this is why you had

00:56:29.680 like all these people.

00:56:31.540 I read people claiming

00:56:32.780 that Israel is the reason

00:56:34.560 that we are taking on Venezuela.

00:56:36.280 Oh, I know.

00:56:37.000 Like, believe it or not,

00:56:38.940 Israel doesn't have to do

00:56:39.840 with everything in the world.

00:56:42.400 Well, so this is what I mean

00:56:43.460 by liberal.

00:56:46.240 The core element

00:56:47.500 of a lot of these protests

00:56:48.160 has been anti-Israel.

00:56:49.860 The social media

00:56:50.580 has been largely anti-Israel.

00:56:52.320 And you're allowed

00:56:53.300 to be critical of Israel,

00:56:54.360 but it makes no sense

00:56:55.200 when literally everything

00:56:56.240 is Israel.

00:56:57.240 So then when you start seeing

00:56:58.340 prominent conservative personalities,

00:57:00.680 who I will leave nameless

00:57:02.240 for the time being,

00:57:03.080 just we'll see where things go

00:57:04.020 in the next few months,

00:57:05.220 but they're claiming,

00:57:06.640 they're defending

00:57:07.280 Renee Nicole Good

00:57:08.520 overtly with liberal talking points.

00:57:10.420 And by all means,

00:57:11.040 you're allowed to believe.

00:57:11.940 I think I know

00:57:12.060 who you're talking about.

00:57:13.000 There's a handful of them though,

00:57:13.920 but the point is

00:57:15.120 you're allowed to have

00:57:16.360 nuanced opinions.

00:57:17.360 Sometimes your opinion

00:57:18.020 might be more aligned

00:57:18.920 with liberals.

00:57:19.320 Like, I agree with Joe Biden

00:57:20.360 on getting rid of the ATM fees.

00:57:21.500 I thought that was great.

00:57:22.420 I agree with Joe Biden

00:57:23.200 on prosecuting

00:57:23.820 the Somali fraudsters in Minnesota.

00:57:24.820 He got 62 convictions.

00:57:26.140 That was under Merrick Garland,

00:57:26.920 who I do not like,

00:57:27.580 but that was a good thing.

00:57:29.080 However,

00:57:29.880 there are a bunch of conservatives

00:57:31.140 that all of a sudden are

00:57:32.040 Trump is bad on foreign policy.

00:57:33.520 They're saying,

00:57:34.840 like,

00:57:36.260 they're taking

00:57:37.640 the side of the liberal activists

00:57:40.480 in this regard,

00:57:41.340 and they've been consistently

00:57:42.660 criticizing ICE,

00:57:44.060 which appears,

00:57:45.540 whatever you want to say,

00:57:47.100 I'll tell you,

00:57:48.120 shut up my opinion.

00:57:49.220 I think that after the killing

00:57:50.440 of Charlie Kirk,

00:57:51.120 many of these prominent conservatives

00:57:51.940 realized they're going to have

00:57:53.060 to go into hiding.

00:57:54.140 The left has put out a list

00:57:56.060 of people to murder.

00:57:57.280 I'm one of these individuals.

00:57:58.900 These other higher profile conservatives

00:58:00.140 are on this list as well.

00:58:01.280 And all of a sudden,

00:58:02.220 they've stopped talking about

00:58:04.080 the core political issues

00:58:05.840 that got it to this point,

00:58:06.980 which is the culture war divide.

00:58:08.420 They started focusing heavily

00:58:09.740 on things that do align

00:58:10.800 with the left,

00:58:11.400 particularly Israel and Zionism.

00:58:13.500 So now they've sort of sidestepped

00:58:15.720 the death threat targets

00:58:17.080 because they're anti-Israel

00:58:18.240 along with these liberals.

00:58:20.340 I think they're doing it

00:58:21.200 specifically because

00:58:21.880 they think Trump is going to lose

00:58:23.080 and they don't want to get hanged.

00:58:25.500 Or maybe they're accepting

00:58:26.720 Qatari money like Tucker Carlson.

00:58:28.340 No,

00:58:28.620 I think that's an easy,

00:58:29.660 it's a cop-out.

00:58:30.100 I think that's an easy answer.

00:58:32.140 The idea that Tucker one day

00:58:33.880 just decided,

00:58:34.540 pay me money

00:58:35.020 and I'll change my opinion

00:58:35.720 doesn't make sense.

00:58:36.580 The fact that Tucker Carlson

00:58:37.880 fled his home in D.C.

00:58:39.500 to an undisclosed location

00:58:41.180 to do his show

00:58:42.280 is more indicative

00:58:43.280 of his fear of death.

00:58:44.820 And so,

00:58:46.180 I don't,

00:58:46.780 but I'm not saying

00:58:47.360 that's why he did it.

00:58:48.440 And I believe he's moved since then.

00:58:50.320 But I can tell you that

00:58:51.620 there are many

00:58:52.960 conservative personalities.

00:58:54.100 Look,

00:58:54.280 I'll be more public about it.

00:58:56.440 We're clearly not

00:58:57.060 at the Timcast IRL studio.

00:58:58.060 We're in Florida

00:58:58.580 because of the shooting.

00:59:00.100 But there are many conservatives

00:59:01.220 who are already in hiding.

00:59:02.280 You just can't tell

00:59:03.040 because they've either

00:59:03.900 replicated their studios

00:59:04.980 or you may notice

00:59:06.480 some studios have changed.

00:59:09.100 It's a new studio,

00:59:09.920 they say.

00:59:10.300 Well,

00:59:10.400 why is it a new studio?

00:59:11.120 Because they moved

00:59:11.600 a hundred miles away

00:59:12.380 from any city

00:59:12.960 and they're in the middle

00:59:13.720 of nowhere with Starlink

00:59:14.600 because they don't want

00:59:15.120 to be murdered.

00:59:16.620 That's sad.

00:59:17.580 It is terrible

00:59:18.780 where we are right now.

00:59:20.120 And I agree

00:59:21.020 that the death

00:59:21.640 of Charlie Kirk

00:59:22.400 really precipitated.

00:59:23.680 That is what,

00:59:24.360 like,

00:59:24.480 was the spark

00:59:25.120 that has just caused

00:59:26.600 the right to,

00:59:27.500 like,

00:59:27.940 have this divide

00:59:28.640 and melt down

00:59:29.280 and cause fear

00:59:30.720 and maybe that changed

00:59:31.740 some people's views

00:59:32.580 all of a sudden.

00:59:33.200 They don't want

00:59:33.480 to get killed either.

00:59:34.600 It's all awful.

00:59:36.940 I would say,

00:59:38.200 though,

00:59:38.340 you've seen

00:59:38.700 far-right violence too.

00:59:40.240 Nancy Pelosi

00:59:40.880 was attacked

00:59:41.480 in her home.

00:59:42.660 That wasn't right when.

00:59:43.500 Excuse me,

00:59:43.880 Nancy Pelosi's husband.

00:59:44.520 But that wasn't right wing.

00:59:45.500 Well,

00:59:45.700 it was a guy

00:59:46.080 who was...

00:59:47.220 We don't know

00:59:47.960 what happened

00:59:48.420 at the end with that one.

00:59:49.400 Who broke into the house

00:59:50.040 and hit him with a hammer.

00:59:50.840 But it was...

00:59:51.560 It's not a conservative.

00:59:52.460 But he was going

00:59:52.900 after Pelosi for a reason.

00:59:54.300 Yes,

00:59:54.660 but liberals don't like

00:59:55.580 Pelosi too.

00:59:56.720 So this is the problem

00:59:57.920 with saying it's right wing.

00:59:59.260 A guy who shows up

01:00:00.640 to a Charlie Kirk event

01:00:01.480 is not breaking into

01:00:02.220 the Pelosi house

01:00:02.580 and hitting him with a hammer.

01:00:03.320 A guy who shows up

01:00:03.880 to an AOC event is...

01:00:08.200 You're...

01:00:08.740 The people who are going

01:00:09.840 to AOC rallies

01:00:10.520 made videos

01:00:11.020 celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder.

01:00:12.580 Oh,

01:00:12.840 and I condemn all that.

01:00:13.880 In the loudest possible terms.

01:00:15.020 Because you can't compare

01:00:16.920 progressive activists

01:00:18.340 who engage in direct action

01:00:19.780 with a wackaloon drug addict

01:00:21.500 who believes stupid shit.

01:00:23.280 Well,

01:00:23.660 and...

01:00:23.860 That's not right wing.

01:00:24.780 What about the Vance Boatler guy?

01:00:27.080 The guy who killed those...

01:00:28.280 Yeah,

01:00:28.420 that's not a right wing thing either.

01:00:30.060 Or in Minnesota...

01:00:30.960 I understand how on one hand

01:00:31.800 you're going to say

01:00:32.340 that Candace Owens

01:00:33.200 can now be considered a liberal

01:00:34.460 because her criticisms

01:00:35.460 align with some liberal

01:00:36.640 and left criticisms

01:00:37.860 of the right in this country,

01:00:39.280 the GOP,

01:00:39.920 Trump,

01:00:40.320 et cetera.

01:00:41.060 But then when it comes

01:00:41.700 to somebody attacking

01:00:42.860 Nancy and Paul Pelosi,

01:00:44.040 which obviously

01:00:45.720 aligns far more

01:00:46.580 with the right,

01:00:47.200 you're not going to say

01:00:47.800 that that's just a crazy person.

01:00:51.060 Someone attacking someone else

01:00:52.120 does not indicate

01:00:52.740 political position.

01:00:53.880 Not necessarily,

01:00:54.560 but in this particular case

01:00:55.760 that we know

01:00:56.300 that he was politically motivated.

01:00:57.420 He wasn't an activist.

01:00:58.680 He wasn't a campaigner

01:00:59.780 for any right wing causes.

01:01:00.560 You don't have to be an activist

01:01:01.240 to be politically motivated

01:01:02.560 in your shooting.

01:01:03.060 Okay, then let's stop right here.

01:01:04.480 Let's pause real quick

01:01:05.320 and I'll make sure

01:01:06.480 we all understand the distinction.

01:01:08.340 Violence from the left

01:01:09.280 is often from ideological individuals

01:01:11.560 trying to advance a cause.

01:01:13.360 What you describe

01:01:14.280 as violence from the right

01:01:14.980 seems to be random.

01:01:16.820 If that's the distinction

01:01:17.880 we're making,

01:01:18.900 then that's fine.

01:01:20.160 But when you say that,

01:01:21.100 you're still conceding

01:01:22.280 that it's violence from the right.

01:01:23.400 You're making it sound

01:01:23.860 like no violence

01:01:24.420 from the right ever occurs.

01:01:25.260 So I'm giving you the language

01:01:27.420 to say this.

01:01:28.460 Let's clarify.

01:01:29.940 Followers of Charlie Kirk

01:01:31.060 and Donald Trump

01:01:31.720 rarely are going out

01:01:32.740 and attacking people

01:01:33.560 for their ideological cause.

01:01:35.680 Sometimes a conservative

01:01:36.840 may attack somebody.

01:01:37.800 We had that attack

01:01:38.420 at the church in Michigan

01:01:39.340 and the guy was a conservative,

01:01:41.120 but he did not attack

01:01:42.320 the Mormon church

01:01:42.960 for conservative reasons,

01:01:44.300 for ideological reasons.

01:01:45.380 He did it because of debts

01:01:46.480 and some personal beef

01:01:47.940 he had with the Mormons.

01:01:48.820 But he's got an American flag

01:01:50.200 and a Trump sign on his car

01:01:51.120 and they say,

01:01:51.700 see right wing violence.

01:01:52.820 Hold on.

01:01:54.260 Sometimes right wing people

01:01:55.320 attack other people

01:01:56.080 quite a bit.

01:01:57.000 Sometimes left wing people

01:01:57.960 attack people quite a bit.

01:01:59.600 Political violence.

01:02:01.220 I'm clarifying right now

01:02:02.380 just for the sake of the argument

01:02:03.140 is when an individual

01:02:04.520 engages in violence

01:02:05.340 for the purpose

01:02:05.960 of advancing an ideology.

01:02:07.280 Cesar Sayak.

01:02:09.220 Cesar Sayak.

01:02:10.300 He's the guy who lives in a van

01:02:11.560 in South Florida

01:02:12.400 who mailed bombs

01:02:13.400 to prominent Democrats

01:02:14.700 and members of the media.

01:02:15.560 It does happen indeed.

01:02:16.780 So when you look at these charts,

01:02:19.100 let me show you this

01:02:20.000 from the ADL heat map,

01:02:21.180 my favorite example of this.

01:02:23.000 Hmm.

01:02:23.300 Or were they classified

01:02:24.260 Islamic terrorism

01:02:25.280 as right wing?

01:02:26.020 Wasn't that one?

01:02:27.920 Let me show you

01:02:29.240 the narrative machine.

01:02:30.840 Here's why I have a problem

01:02:32.140 with how this is all described.

01:02:33.960 Okay.

01:02:34.280 The Anti-Defamation League

01:02:35.560 has their heat map,

01:02:38.060 hate, extremism,

01:02:39.200 anti-Semitism and terror,

01:02:40.100 I believe it is.

01:02:41.160 Ideology.

01:02:42.000 Right wing is white supremacist.

01:02:43.560 Wait, wait, hold on.

01:02:44.180 Why is white supremacy right wing?

01:02:46.040 Racial identitarianism

01:02:47.380 is irrespective

01:02:48.500 of your policy positions

01:02:49.540 and the left

01:02:50.480 have racial identitarians as well.

01:02:52.040 So why is,

01:02:53.260 why is,

01:02:53.760 why is that?

01:02:54.180 Look, left wing.

01:02:55.040 They actually say

01:02:55.960 for simplicity's sake,

01:02:58.360 it also includes

01:02:59.140 black nationalist extremists.

01:03:00.580 No, no, no.

01:03:00.840 Hold on.

01:03:01.740 Now, hold on.

01:03:03.000 Like a black nationalist

01:03:04.760 who wants a nation

01:03:05.580 of black people

01:03:06.560 who believes in Christianity

01:03:07.960 and that women

01:03:09.580 shouldn't be allowed to vote

01:03:10.500 is left wing?

01:03:11.680 No, no one's going to accept that.

01:03:13.120 This makes no sense.

01:03:14.660 Okay.

01:03:14.960 So you've got

01:03:15.520 right wing white supremacists,

01:03:17.180 right wing other,

01:03:18.640 right wing anti-government.

01:03:20.080 They actually,

01:03:21.020 in some circumstances,

01:03:21.920 will put anarchist left,

01:03:25.060 anarcho-communists

01:03:26.060 as right wing.

01:03:27.460 So this is the problem.

01:03:28.580 If you have three categories

01:03:29.800 of what right wing is

01:03:30.800 and you include

01:03:31.560 specifically racial identitarianism

01:03:33.000 and anti-government,

01:03:34.360 you're just inflating a list

01:03:35.840 of what you describe

01:03:36.460 as right wing.

01:03:37.300 But if we want to actually

01:03:38.220 understand what is left and right,

01:03:39.780 I would argue it like this.

01:03:41.480 How about we call it

01:03:42.560 Democrat aligned,

01:03:44.540 Republican aligned.

01:03:45.560 And I say aligned

01:03:46.380 because I don't like

01:03:47.400 the Republican Party.

01:03:48.220 I think they're trash,

01:03:49.120 but clearly I'm Republican aligned.

01:03:51.220 If there is somebody

01:03:52.300 who aligns with

01:03:53.980 the political ideology

01:03:54.900 of the Republicans

01:03:55.680 and they engage in violence

01:03:57.380 to pursue those ends,

01:03:59.300 I would call that right wing.

01:04:00.720 If there is somebody

01:04:01.700 whose political ideology

01:04:02.660 aligned to the Democratic Party

01:04:04.220 and they engage in violence

01:04:05.080 for the purpose

01:04:05.740 of pursuing that ideology,

01:04:06.720 I'd call that left wing.

01:04:07.820 I think that's how

01:04:08.480 we'd break it down.

01:04:09.560 If you break it down that way,

01:04:10.920 you will find

01:04:11.440 that the right commits

01:04:12.200 substantially less violence

01:04:14.140 than the left.

01:04:14.720 How does it compare

01:04:15.720 if you put the right wing

01:04:16.980 anti-government,

01:04:17.980 which I think it's fair,

01:04:19.260 you know,

01:04:19.760 like anti-government.

01:04:20.380 Patriot movement,

01:04:21.360 oath keepers,

01:04:22.200 sovereign citizens,

01:04:22.660 and tax protests.

01:04:24.560 How many of those

01:04:25.180 are there actually?

01:04:25.940 Just those.

01:04:26.820 Anti-government survivalists.

01:04:28.120 You exclude the...

01:04:29.940 Click apply, click apply.

01:04:32.300 Two.

01:04:33.020 No, no, three.

01:04:34.360 Let's see.

01:04:35.180 Actually, those dots

01:04:36.200 are actually more than one.

01:04:36.880 So that is how many

01:04:37.240 anti-government ones there are.

01:04:38.320 Is that include January 6th?

01:04:39.820 No.

01:04:40.220 That's the thing

01:04:40.840 that I was going to ask next.

01:04:42.520 We're like talking about

01:04:43.540 how like the right

01:04:44.100 doesn't engage in political violence

01:04:45.540 and we just had the...

01:04:46.680 I didn't say they didn't.

01:04:47.360 I said it's just less than the left.

01:04:48.760 Oh, sorry.

01:04:49.420 Okay.

01:04:49.540 Yeah, I think the rioters

01:04:50.380 on J6 should have gone to prison

01:04:51.740 and they did.

01:04:52.340 Regardless of how the ADL

01:04:53.680 classifies these things

01:04:54.700 and their methodology,

01:04:56.120 the more important thing to me

01:04:57.700 is not long after

01:04:58.560 the Charlie Kirk shooting,

01:04:59.480 I remember there was an article

01:05:00.200 from The Guardian

01:05:00.700 that the Trump admin

01:05:02.260 on a .gov website

01:05:03.600 had like quietly deleted

01:05:04.900 a...

01:05:06.720 It was some sort of study

01:05:07.820 aggregating political violence

01:05:09.080 in this country

01:05:09.600 that had found

01:05:10.300 there was disproportionately

01:05:11.360 more political violence

01:05:12.360 coming from the right

01:05:13.040 than on the left.

01:05:13.520 And why'd they delete it?

01:05:14.340 I don't know.

01:05:15.180 But the point is

01:05:15.680 that the findings show

01:05:16.680 that the right...

01:05:17.920 There was more violence

01:05:18.600 on the right.

01:05:19.140 Because it included

01:05:20.020 a white supremacist

01:05:21.120 who punched his wife

01:05:22.000 as a case of right-wing

01:05:23.020 political extremism,

01:05:24.020 which is the point I'm making.

01:05:25.660 There is no value

01:05:27.800 presented to the American people

01:05:28.980 by creating a list

01:05:30.160 where you're going to claim

01:05:30.980 a white supremacist redneck

01:05:32.900 in a trailer

01:05:33.340 punched his wife

01:05:34.060 so we're going to put it

01:05:34.580 on a map

01:05:35.040 of right-wing extremism.

01:05:36.460 That doesn't inform anybody.

01:05:37.720 But it doesn't inform people

01:05:40.600 about what our threats

01:05:41.240 really are.

01:05:42.040 Regardless of that,

01:05:43.080 the Atlantic has already published

01:05:44.260 the left is more violent

01:05:45.100 than the right

01:05:45.400 as of this year.

01:05:46.400 So by whatever metric

01:05:47.220 you want to go by,

01:05:48.500 currently the left

01:05:49.200 has taken the kick.

01:05:49.680 What did the Atlantic publish?

01:05:51.600 The left is now

01:05:52.580 more likely to engage

01:05:53.680 in violence.

01:05:53.980 Let me pull it up.

01:05:59.580 And it's not even

01:06:00.240 about the Atlantic.

01:06:01.460 It's...

01:06:01.980 Oh, it's not even the Atlantic.

01:06:03.600 It's tons of other sites.

01:06:04.900 You've got the Atlantic.

01:06:06.140 You've got CSIS.

01:06:08.380 Well, on the rise

01:06:09.120 is different than saying

01:06:10.040 that it's coming

01:06:11.120 primarily from the left.

01:06:11.500 For the first time

01:06:11.880 in more than 30 years,

01:06:12.760 attacks by the far left

01:06:13.620 outnumber those

01:06:14.220 by the far right.

01:06:15.120 Subhead.

01:06:16.900 What's the methodology?

01:06:18.000 Do you mind scrolling down

01:06:18.660 and reading a little bit?

01:06:19.120 Oh, no, no.

01:06:19.560 We don't care about methodology

01:06:20.400 because like you already said,

01:06:21.480 if a white supremacist

01:06:22.340 punches his wife...

01:06:23.300 No, I care about methodology.

01:06:24.500 That's why I'm saying...

01:06:25.720 No, you don't.

01:06:27.520 That's why I'm saying

01:06:28.260 that the ADL

01:06:28.780 is not going to be trusted

01:06:30.000 because I probably agree with you.

01:06:30.860 You said he should have

01:06:31.080 taken it down.

01:06:32.040 So the study is a CSIS study.

01:06:32.980 If the White House took down

01:06:33.920 flawed methodology,

01:06:34.880 you disagreed with it.

01:06:35.700 I don't think that the White House

01:06:36.840 should be in the business

01:06:37.760 of unilaterally taking down

01:06:39.900 findings.

01:06:40.380 From their own website?

01:06:41.720 Yeah, not when they personally

01:06:43.500 disagree with the findings.

01:06:44.680 Unless those people

01:06:45.660 that authored the study

01:06:46.600 have a reason to retract

01:06:48.200 their findings

01:06:48.960 or have some sort of

01:06:49.940 methodological error

01:06:50.820 that they find themselves

01:06:52.180 or some sort of peer review

01:06:53.500 comes in and sees an issue with it,

01:06:55.740 then I can see the argument

01:06:56.920 to take it down.

01:06:57.960 But partisans within

01:06:59.220 an administration,

01:07:00.400 whether it be

01:07:00.820 a Democratic administration

01:07:01.960 or a Republican administration

01:07:03.240 should not be,

01:07:04.440 you know,

01:07:04.980 concealing data

01:07:06.560 from the American public

01:07:07.600 simply because they have

01:07:08.460 personal disagreements

01:07:09.260 with that.

01:07:09.700 Then I think this should be

01:07:10.900 on every Democrat

01:07:11.920 politician's website too.

01:07:13.440 What is this?

01:07:14.220 Oh, read it.

01:07:15.180 Combined variance rates.

01:07:16.820 Combined violence rates.

01:07:17.580 Oh, violence.

01:07:18.120 My smile.

01:07:19.060 Okay, but that's...

01:07:19.960 When you reach my...

01:07:20.620 Can I ask you something,

01:07:21.960 isn't that like a

01:07:23.520 Chad GPT created thing?

01:07:26.340 This is a graph that I made

01:07:27.340 regardless of where it came from.

01:07:28.700 It doesn't matter.

01:07:29.060 Yeah, because Chad GPT

01:07:30.280 makes a lot of mistakes.

01:07:31.340 So I wanted to see what they did.

01:07:32.260 It's my data.

01:07:32.820 I just had a graph made by GPT.

01:07:34.380 Okay, what's the data?

01:07:35.480 The data is that

01:07:36.500 when you combine

01:07:37.300 the sum of all cities

01:07:39.520 in the United States,

01:07:40.220 you will find that

01:07:41.400 Republican cities

01:07:42.680 have 858 instances

01:07:44.120 of violent crime

01:07:44.780 and Democrat cities

01:07:45.620 have 21,765.

01:07:48.200 Okay.

01:07:48.760 Does the methodology matter

01:07:49.760 or not?

01:07:50.160 Yes.

01:07:50.960 Well, to me it does.

01:07:51.640 Of course it does

01:07:52.200 because we're being honest.

01:07:52.940 I'm a researcher.

01:07:53.660 When the White House says

01:07:54.880 we've got flawed methodology

01:07:56.520 that claims a guy

01:07:58.120 punching his wife

01:07:58.900 is an instance of terrorism,

01:08:00.160 that's not real methodology

01:08:01.780 that informs the American people.

01:08:02.780 Here you're talking about crime

01:08:03.720 in like Democrat-controlled cities

01:08:05.300 versus that,

01:08:06.100 which makes kind of sense

01:08:07.440 because most cities

01:08:08.800 are Democrat, right?

01:08:10.180 That's obviously...

01:08:10.940 You see Democrat cities

01:08:11.580 like the mayor isn't a Democrat.

01:08:13.080 Is that...

01:08:13.360 Yes.

01:08:13.740 If the mayor and the police

01:08:14.900 are controlled by Democrats,

01:08:16.720 you'll see substantially higher crime

01:08:18.060 than if they're controlled

01:08:18.640 by Republicans.

01:08:19.120 Those are raw numbers.

01:08:20.260 You're going to see higher crime

01:08:21.360 in urban areas

01:08:22.060 than cities anywhere.

01:08:22.880 Indeed, and there are

01:08:23.740 some conservative

01:08:24.440 urban environments too

01:08:25.740 and they have substantially less crime.

01:08:27.340 I've seen a lot of analysis

01:08:28.560 that really

01:08:29.920 if you just adjust

01:08:32.040 by racial composition,

01:08:33.960 there is actually no difference.

01:08:36.360 I mean, I think

01:08:36.860 the question of crime

01:08:37.760 is actually a very easy question

01:08:38.900 is that we just need

01:08:39.440 to enforce the law

01:08:40.120 and put people in prison.

01:08:41.140 My point with this post

01:08:42.480 is that

01:08:43.500 the position that I occupy,

01:08:46.040 which has typically been

01:08:47.000 like moderate independent,

01:08:48.080 but according to liberals

01:08:48.920 is far right,

01:08:49.980 is that

01:08:50.860 there is a truth and reason

01:08:52.560 and we're trying to figure

01:08:53.320 out how these things work

01:08:54.740 and how we can solve for them.

01:08:56.100 The problem is

01:08:56.960 Democrats lie about

01:08:57.960 literally everything

01:08:58.640 and Republicans

01:08:59.080 are fucking losers.

01:09:01.300 We cannot turn into liars either.

01:09:03.260 We cannot turn into liars either.

01:09:04.040 I'm amazed at you.

01:09:05.000 I completely agreed.

01:09:05.720 My point here,

01:09:06.700 and this is factually correct,

01:09:08.080 when you compare violence rates

01:09:09.380 depending on the political party

01:09:10.400 in the sum of cities,

01:09:11.320 you find substantially

01:09:12.200 more violence

01:09:12.860 in Democrat-run cities.

01:09:14.260 The perception of this

01:09:15.760 and the proposed community notes

01:09:17.780 is it makes people think

01:09:19.740 that Democrats are

01:09:21.100 individually as Democrats

01:09:22.820 committing violent crime.

01:09:24.180 The point of this,

01:09:25.760 when I said,

01:09:26.440 how fucking weird am I right?

01:09:28.420 When you get rid of fringe wackos

01:09:29.820 and count crime by party control,

01:09:31.400 which literally says party control,

01:09:32.600 it looks a lot different.

01:09:33.960 Democrats lost their minds over this

01:09:35.740 because this is true.

01:09:36.940 Because when they create hate watch,

01:09:39.440 like the ADL does,

01:09:40.760 which I just showed you,

01:09:41.760 they're going to claim

01:09:42.720 that white supremacy

01:09:43.580 is the same thing as Charlie Kirk.

01:09:44.880 Would you mind if I asked you

01:09:46.360 to pull something up from...

01:09:48.700 Well, when Charlie Kirk

01:09:49.940 kicked out a white nationalist

01:09:51.960 from his event,

01:09:53.400 when there's viral videos

01:09:54.400 of him saying,

01:09:54.980 you don't belong here

01:09:55.740 and you are anti-American,

01:09:56.980 for what reason

01:09:57.940 does it make sense

01:09:58.700 to claim that Charlie Kirk

01:10:00.000 is the same political movement

01:10:01.160 as neo-Nazis?

01:10:02.860 Just if you wanted

01:10:03.780 to pull this up

01:10:04.440 because this is by one

01:10:05.280 of some of my colleagues

01:10:05.960 that did an analysis

01:10:06.680 on this at MI,

01:10:08.160 Red State Violence,

01:10:09.740 Manhattan Institute.

01:10:13.480 You want to make a point?

01:10:14.880 Well, Chris Wray

01:10:17.040 and the FBI

01:10:17.820 at their annual report

01:10:19.360 said that the greatest threat

01:10:20.460 to national security

01:10:22.340 was right-wing

01:10:24.060 white supremacist violence.

01:10:25.420 But this was...

01:10:26.040 That sounds retarded.

01:10:26.940 But this was a few years ago.

01:10:29.780 I do think that

01:10:30.680 in recent years,

01:10:31.940 I think you have a point

01:10:33.220 that you've seen a surge

01:10:34.280 on the far left

01:10:35.820 of political violence

01:10:37.460 and it's something

01:10:38.880 that you have to take seriously.

01:10:40.840 I'm going to make the point

01:10:41.880 I made earlier again

01:10:42.580 just in this context.

01:10:43.880 First, it's because

01:10:45.020 you aren't paying attention

01:10:45.860 to the ground.

01:10:46.660 You are looking at

01:10:48.540 top-level national news

01:10:50.020 and ignoring the thousands

01:10:51.640 of blunt force terror

01:10:52.940 that's been occurring

01:10:53.400 across this country.

01:10:54.620 So when you have Andy Ngo

01:10:57.220 get beaten in the streets,

01:10:58.320 it finally makes it

01:11:00.040 to the national news.

01:11:01.400 And this is why

01:11:02.160 intentionally,

01:11:03.800 far-left direct action

01:11:05.920 facilitators,

01:11:06.440 whatever you want to call them,

01:11:07.360 try to avoid killing

01:11:08.680 or maiming.

01:11:09.460 in the violence they engage

01:11:11.180 and they want to punch you

01:11:11.860 in the face

01:11:12.160 and break your nose,

01:11:12.920 but they don't want to kill you

01:11:13.740 because that will make

01:11:14.400 national news.

01:11:15.460 So when you say,

01:11:16.920 well, it used to be

01:11:17.840 that the right was more,

01:11:18.540 no, I've been on the ground

01:11:20.220 for over a decade.

01:11:21.260 For 15 years,

01:11:22.240 I've been covering this stuff.

01:11:23.300 And when I would go

01:11:24.040 to a conservative event,

01:11:24.960 see a bunch of old ladies

01:11:25.620 waving flags,

01:11:26.200 I bet there's nothing going on.

01:11:27.040 In fact, when I'd go

01:11:27.580 to a white supremacist event,

01:11:29.180 they would insult me

01:11:30.400 and call me a global citizen

01:11:31.540 for being mixed race,

01:11:32.460 but not a one of them

01:11:33.200 would put a hand on me.

01:11:34.520 When I brought Daryl Davis

01:11:35.840 to an event to denounce racism,

01:11:38.580 Antifa showed up

01:11:39.360 and threatened to burn

01:11:40.480 the theater down.

01:11:41.780 And when Daryl Davis said,

01:11:43.200 this is what I do,

01:11:44.360 I talk with extremists.

01:11:45.580 When he went across the street,

01:11:46.700 they threatened to kill him too.

01:11:48.440 The problem is CNN won't cover it.

01:11:51.160 The New York Times won't cover it.

01:11:52.620 So then you,

01:11:53.840 watching the surface level news,

01:11:54.960 only ever hear about

01:11:56.240 some fringe white

01:11:57.160 right-wing extremist

01:11:58.040 and think, wow,

01:11:58.660 white supremacy is bad.

01:11:59.640 But how many white supremacists

01:12:01.260 actually exist in this country?

01:12:03.140 Hard data.

01:12:04.000 That we saw from Vox

01:12:05.220 was that there's around 11,000

01:12:07.420 self-proclaimed white supremacists

01:12:09.640 of any kind of organized faction.

01:12:11.860 But there are hundreds of thousands,

01:12:14.120 as we've seen from Occupy protests,

01:12:16.220 from George Floyd riots,

01:12:17.660 self-proclaimed

01:12:18.420 left-aligned extremists.

01:12:20.440 Now, I'm not going to say

01:12:21.480 that Nancy Pelosi is a threat

01:12:22.960 to my personal freedom

01:12:24.860 or anything like that.

01:12:25.280 I think she's a scumbag

01:12:26.260 who's doing insider trading.

01:12:27.800 Mitch McConnell, I think,

01:12:28.620 is also a do-nothing scumbag.

01:12:29.980 I think the Uniparty largely

01:12:31.040 just wants to maintain

01:12:32.080 the status quo

01:12:32.720 and they want to profit from it.

01:12:34.420 But when you actually

01:12:35.580 go on the ground

01:12:36.720 to all the various protests

01:12:38.340 and riots,

01:12:38.800 what do you find?

01:12:39.540 The left is more likely

01:12:40.780 to beat the shit out of you,

01:12:41.960 but they intentionally

01:12:42.780 hold back from killing you.

01:12:44.400 The right,

01:12:45.000 like Charlie Kirk,

01:12:46.180 the Turning Point,

01:12:47.060 I'm sorry,

01:12:47.540 and Turning Point,

01:12:48.260 as well as the Tea Party,

01:12:49.500 you're never going to get

01:12:50.560 fizzily assaulted

01:12:51.140 at one of these events.

01:12:51.980 Never.

01:12:52.680 It's rare.

01:12:53.120 People are very nice.

01:12:54.460 At Patriot Prayer in Portland,

01:12:55.840 when a guy showed up

01:12:56.580 shouting the N-word,

01:12:57.760 conservatives kicked him out

01:12:58.920 and told him to get lost.

01:13:00.160 When a white nationalist

01:13:01.100 showed up to Charlie Kirk's event,

01:13:02.380 he kicked him out.

01:13:03.380 When Nick Fuentes tried

01:13:04.480 getting into a Turning Point event,

01:13:05.500 they kicked him out.

01:13:06.420 And recently,

01:13:07.120 Myron Gaines

01:13:07.900 and the Fresh and Fit podcast

01:13:09.940 were temporarily banned

01:13:11.260 from Turning Point's event,

01:13:13.080 although they were ultimately

01:13:13.860 let back in after the fact.

01:13:15.240 No, that was pretty shameful

01:13:16.500 and they need to be better

01:13:17.460 at banning that type of person.

01:13:19.320 Well, I don't know

01:13:20.260 if you want to ban people

01:13:21.140 with bad ideas.

01:13:22.040 Well, I wouldn't have you

01:13:23.300 in my event

01:13:23.740 if you're wearing a shirt

01:13:24.740 mocking the Holocaust.

01:13:25.560 Let them cook.

01:13:26.000 Yeah.

01:13:26.500 I'm sorry.

01:13:27.100 My point is ultimately this.

01:13:28.120 My point is ultimately this.

01:13:31.460 For the people that sat back

01:13:32.740 and didn't pay attention

01:13:33.620 to the ground level violence,

01:13:35.300 they're like,

01:13:35.840 what do you mean?

01:13:36.140 The left is never violent.

01:13:37.220 For people like me

01:13:37.920 who've been on the ground,

01:13:38.480 I've only ever been shot at

01:13:39.420 by people on the left.

01:13:40.460 What about January 6th?

01:13:41.900 January 6th was very bad

01:13:43.080 and sometimes it happens.

01:13:44.200 And the rioters

01:13:44.860 should go to prison.

01:13:45.400 How did you feel about,

01:13:46.580 one, I don't think

01:13:47.440 sometimes it happens

01:13:48.460 or whatever

01:13:48.800 when you're talking

01:13:49.460 about an insurrection,

01:13:50.560 but for two,

01:13:51.340 what did you think

01:13:52.640 about President Trump

01:13:53.460 pardoning all 1,500 of them?

01:13:55.220 Including the violent ones.

01:13:56.080 Yeah, absolutely correct.

01:13:56.920 The violent ones?

01:13:57.460 Absolutely correct.

01:13:57.960 Indeed.

01:13:59.000 So why are you

01:14:00.120 to say most of the things

01:14:01.040 it happens?

01:14:01.300 How many years in prison

01:14:01.500 do you get

01:14:01.820 for assaulting an officer?

01:14:03.680 You get a lot.

01:14:05.440 Like first offense,

01:14:06.740 assault an officer,

01:14:07.380 what are you going to get?

01:14:08.340 If you're physically violent

01:14:09.400 with an officer,

01:14:10.160 you're going to serve

01:14:10.680 real prison time.

01:14:11.700 How many years?

01:14:12.740 It depends on your rap sheet.

01:14:14.320 Exactly.

01:14:14.920 First offense,

01:14:16.340 you are at a riot

01:14:17.280 and you're hitting

01:14:18.800 or shoving

01:14:19.860 and just generally

01:14:20.560 fighting with cops.

01:14:21.300 How many years

01:14:21.760 in prison do you get?

01:14:22.420 I think you should

01:14:22.860 go to prison.

01:14:23.560 I think maybe

01:14:24.320 18 months to two years

01:14:26.380 for a first offense.

01:14:27.880 It's two years

01:14:28.420 a long time,

01:14:29.160 but if you're fighting

01:14:30.000 a cop in a riot,

01:14:31.380 you should go to prison.

01:14:32.280 Right.

01:14:32.500 Is two years good enough?

01:14:33.200 Then you shouldn't

01:14:33.720 have pardoned them.

01:14:34.480 Yeah.

01:14:34.780 No, no, no, no.

01:14:35.240 Hold on, hold on.

01:14:36.220 We're going somewhere.

01:14:37.100 Do you think two years

01:14:38.520 is a good amount of time

01:14:39.620 or not enough?

01:14:40.100 No, it's whatever

01:14:40.720 the federal guidelines are.

01:14:41.820 I'm asking you personally.

01:14:42.300 Two years?

01:14:43.060 It depends on the rap sheet.

01:14:44.340 Do you think

01:14:44.720 a first offense,

01:14:46.100 assault on an officer,

01:14:46.880 no rap sheet,

01:14:48.100 they got in a riot,

01:14:48.980 attacked a cop,

01:14:49.500 do you think

01:14:49.700 they should go to prison

01:14:50.120 for two years?

01:14:51.280 It depends on how badly

01:14:52.900 they assaulted the cop.

01:14:53.780 Did they just push a cop

01:14:55.040 or did they choke him

01:14:56.400 or use the taser

01:14:57.280 against him?

01:14:57.900 Yeah, let's say

01:14:59.060 shoving and pushing

01:15:00.520 a cop at a riot.

01:15:03.540 How long should

01:15:03.960 they go to prison for?

01:15:05.540 Again, it depends.

01:15:06.660 I'm asking you

01:15:07.780 what your thoughts are

01:15:08.840 as a human being

01:15:09.480 outside of the law.

01:15:10.400 Should someone go to prison?

01:15:11.240 If it's a first time offender

01:15:12.360 with no prior rap sheet

01:15:13.540 and it was just

01:15:14.400 a push of a cop,

01:15:15.960 let's say a consistent scuffle

01:15:18.100 where they're shoving

01:15:18.780 back and forth.

01:15:20.080 Yeah, two years

01:15:20.900 seems to be fine.

01:15:21.460 Okay, so when these guys

01:15:22.380 were in prison for three years,

01:15:23.480 I think a pardon is fine.

01:15:25.240 Why?

01:15:26.020 Why should the president

01:15:27.520 be interfering

01:15:28.500 with the sentence

01:15:29.340 that was issued to them?

01:15:29.840 Because that's what he does.

01:15:31.320 That's what the presidential

01:15:31.980 pardon power is for.

01:15:32.960 Well, but then there's also

01:15:33.780 which power can be abused

01:15:35.060 if this is an abuse

01:15:36.220 of the power?

01:15:36.620 To pardon somebody

01:15:37.020 who's going to go to prison

01:15:37.100 for 20 years

01:15:37.920 for a first time

01:15:38.520 assault on an officer?

01:15:39.580 And how about this?

01:15:40.440 Wait, they're talking

01:15:41.620 about seditious conspiracy.

01:15:42.760 That's different.

01:15:43.180 That's a different crime.

01:15:43.920 Who committed

01:15:44.240 seditious conspiracy?

01:15:45.180 Enrique Tarrio.

01:15:45.920 Yeah, what did he do?

01:15:47.180 He helped plot an insurrection.

01:15:49.280 I know, what?

01:15:49.800 What did he do?

01:15:50.860 That's a general overview,

01:15:52.440 I suppose,

01:15:52.860 of the claim against them.

01:15:53.600 But literally,

01:15:54.260 what did he do?

01:15:54.760 He was convicted

01:15:55.260 by a jury of his peers.

01:15:56.580 No, he wasn't.

01:15:57.660 He wasn't convicted?

01:15:58.360 What's the political

01:15:59.100 makeup of D.C.?

01:16:00.260 When you're saying

01:16:01.920 a jury of your peers

01:16:02.880 is a jury that is vetted

01:16:04.260 by the prosecution

01:16:05.240 and defense both

01:16:06.220 to make sure

01:16:06.860 that there's no biases

01:16:08.060 and they look at

01:16:08.620 all the evidence.

01:16:09.160 But we're being silly.

01:16:10.840 And I think the problem

01:16:11.460 we have in this country

01:16:12.160 is that you live

01:16:13.140 in a textbook reality

01:16:14.160 and not reality, right?

01:16:15.700 So if I went before

01:16:16.860 a court of French people,

01:16:18.160 is that a jury

01:16:18.480 of my peers?

01:16:20.720 Well, of course it's not.

01:16:21.600 You don't need to be

01:16:22.660 a Republican or a Democrat

01:16:25.240 to believe

01:16:26.140 that he was engaged

01:16:27.120 in conspiracism

01:16:28.020 to advance January 6th.

01:16:29.320 He wasn't even in D.C.

01:16:30.300 By the way,

01:16:30.700 I just want to say

01:16:31.360 you don't have to be

01:16:31.820 in the political makeup

01:16:32.960 of D.C.

01:16:33.700 Biden won 92%

01:16:35.140 of the vote

01:16:35.480 in the 2020 election.

01:16:36.320 So all the D.C. convictions

01:16:37.760 are illegitimate?

01:16:39.240 Against conservatives

01:16:40.260 for political reasons,

01:16:41.460 there is a high probability

01:16:42.300 they're going to be illegitimate.

01:16:44.060 Why?

01:16:44.940 Let's talk about Derek Chauvin.

01:16:46.520 The judge in the Chauvin case

01:16:48.160 said there is no jurisdiction

01:16:49.380 in Minnesota

01:16:49.880 where he will get

01:16:50.760 a fair trial.

01:16:51.280 What is the process

01:16:53.000 by which the United States

01:16:54.200 handles a case

01:16:54.980 where a judge admits

01:16:56.180 there will not be

01:16:56.740 a fair trial for a defendant?

01:16:57.780 Do we prosecute him?

01:16:58.540 Wait, the judge

01:16:59.260 in the case

01:17:00.200 said you will not get

01:17:01.420 a fair trial?

01:17:02.160 They wanted to move venue,

01:17:03.220 the defense did,

01:17:04.000 because they said

01:17:04.800 in Minneapolis

01:17:05.500 the jury will be biased

01:17:06.960 against him,

01:17:07.620 we should put him

01:17:08.080 somewhere else.

01:17:08.700 And the judge said

01:17:09.460 there's nowhere in Minnesota

01:17:10.380 you can go

01:17:10.980 where you're going

01:17:11.760 to be free from this bias.

01:17:13.640 Oh, well that's different

01:17:14.620 than saying that

01:17:15.240 they're not going to be able

01:17:15.760 to have a free

01:17:16.320 or like a fair jury.

01:17:18.160 Right.

01:17:18.780 What are you saying

01:17:19.500 is that is a fair jury?

01:17:20.380 He's saying that

01:17:21.020 like no matter

01:17:21.540 where you move it

01:17:22.360 or within the state

01:17:23.120 you're going to

01:17:24.080 yeah, but that's always true.

01:17:25.520 No, the jury's not biased.

01:17:26.880 The jury may have

01:17:27.760 learned of the case

01:17:28.780 and they may have

01:17:29.620 their biases

01:17:30.400 but the key is

01:17:31.860 is that can you

01:17:32.400 set them aside

01:17:32.920 and follow the evidence

01:17:33.640 and the law?

01:17:33.960 So let's go back

01:17:36.400 to January 6th.

01:17:36.920 I don't want to lose

01:17:37.700 that point.

01:17:38.840 What about the people

01:17:39.720 who got 18 months

01:17:40.940 in prison

01:17:41.540 for a first time misdemeanor?

01:17:44.400 Or solitary confinement?

01:17:45.500 No, no, no, no.

01:17:46.360 A specific question

01:17:47.300 because I know

01:17:48.080 some of these people.

01:17:49.460 There are two individuals

01:17:51.040 that I met.

01:17:52.060 They approached

01:17:52.940 the backside

01:17:53.420 of the building

01:17:54.160 after the right

01:17:55.000 was cleared out.

01:17:56.060 So this is around

01:17:56.540 like three or four o'clock.

01:17:57.720 The doors were open.

01:17:59.200 They were people

01:17:59.740 milling about on the grass.

01:18:01.140 They had just left

01:18:02.020 Trump's speech

01:18:02.720 and walked to the Capitol

01:18:04.100 by themselves.

01:18:05.460 They entered the building

01:18:06.420 and were inside

01:18:07.040 for about two minutes.

01:18:07.860 They walked through

01:18:08.340 open front doors,

01:18:09.540 looked around,

01:18:10.460 didn't really know

01:18:10.940 what was going on

01:18:11.340 and left.

01:18:12.220 Their home was raided

01:18:13.220 in Maryland

01:18:13.680 and they were sentenced

01:18:14.560 to 18 months

01:18:15.500 should they have been pardoned.

01:18:18.880 Look, you're bringing up

01:18:20.220 this case.

01:18:21.220 I'm asking for your opinion.

01:18:22.240 I need to see

01:18:22.940 this specific case.

01:18:23.840 I don't think it's fair

01:18:24.900 to give me a situation

01:18:25.900 unless I actually see,

01:18:26.940 I want to see

01:18:27.600 the specific charges.

01:18:29.360 I want to see

01:18:29.780 the problem.

01:18:29.880 Let's make it hypothetical.

01:18:31.280 Two individuals

01:18:32.040 who stumbled

01:18:33.020 two hours after a riot

01:18:34.780 to a building

01:18:35.900 and didn't know

01:18:36.360 what was going on,

01:18:36.800 should they go to prison?

01:18:37.800 Oh, well,

01:18:38.940 it depends.

01:18:40.540 It depends on

01:18:41.380 if they were

01:18:42.260 at the Capitol

01:18:43.580 and they went inside,

01:18:45.080 that's trespassing

01:18:46.480 and they shouldn't

01:18:48.700 have bought the way

01:18:49.060 to none of these people.

01:18:50.060 I think so.

01:18:50.540 So let me ask you a question.

01:18:51.440 If I walk on a private property,

01:18:52.700 can I be arrested

01:18:53.120 for trespassing?

01:18:54.460 After you've been warned.

01:18:55.560 Ah, okay.

01:18:56.000 So if these people

01:18:56.420 weren't warned,

01:18:56.920 they can't be charged?

01:18:58.580 The Capitol grounds,

01:19:00.980 they were warned.

01:19:01.800 There are signs up.

01:19:02.600 Nope.

01:19:02.880 The signs were all removed

01:19:03.620 by the rioters.

01:19:05.220 They didn't know

01:19:05.980 that they were

01:19:06.600 improperly entering

01:19:07.460 and were they

01:19:08.060 busing or trespassing

01:19:09.180 or improperly entering

01:19:10.200 a government building?

01:19:10.860 That's also a different charge.

01:19:11.680 So they got charged

01:19:12.580 with,

01:19:13.440 they got the

01:19:15.560 obstructing

01:19:16.040 and official

01:19:16.320 proceeding charge.

01:19:17.180 Right.

01:19:17.600 And they got

01:19:18.620 the misdemeanor

01:19:19.880 trespass charge.

01:19:20.780 Okay.

01:19:21.340 And they weren't

01:19:22.420 allowed by the judge

01:19:23.220 to present evidence

01:19:23.920 proving that they were

01:19:24.680 only there for two minutes

01:19:25.540 and had just walked up

01:19:26.460 and didn't know

01:19:26.800 what was going on.

01:19:27.560 The judge actually

01:19:28.400 barred them

01:19:28.920 from video evidence

01:19:29.640 that they had

01:19:30.180 where they were like,

01:19:31.100 we're just walking

01:19:31.920 down D.C.

01:19:32.600 It's like,

01:19:33.020 we're going to see

01:19:33.380 what's going on.

01:19:34.000 There's people

01:19:34.280 at the Capitol,

01:19:34.800 I guess,

01:19:35.060 and they didn't

01:19:35.300 know what it was.

01:19:36.060 Well,

01:19:36.340 why should they be in prison?

01:19:37.540 And the fact that

01:19:38.400 you can't clearly

01:19:39.280 and plainly say

01:19:40.180 innocent people

01:19:41.260 who got caught up

01:19:41.760 by accident

01:19:42.120 should be free to go

01:19:42.960 is what's wrong

01:19:43.800 with this country.

01:19:44.460 But they had a trial.

01:19:44.880 Because this is

01:19:45.400 the banality of evil.

01:19:46.440 And the judge

01:19:46.980 didn't let them

01:19:47.440 present evidence.

01:19:48.260 But that doesn't matter.

01:19:48.900 I don't care about trials.

01:19:50.440 I don't care about trials,

01:19:51.900 okay?

01:19:52.460 I care about,

01:19:53.620 are we going to be

01:19:54.500 a mechanized state

01:19:55.480 that imprisons

01:19:56.020 innocent people?

01:19:56.740 You say yes,

01:19:57.320 I say no.

01:19:58.320 The only way

01:19:58.880 that we can determine

01:19:59.640 that is using trials.

01:20:01.100 No, you can't.

01:20:02.260 No, yes, you can.

01:20:03.200 What other

01:20:03.640 would you suggest that?

01:20:04.940 So, in that case,

01:20:05.960 the capture of Maduro

01:20:06.640 was completely legitimate.

01:20:07.920 It was a legal process

01:20:08.880 by which Trump

01:20:09.360 was allowed to do it.

01:20:10.120 Yeah, there you go.

01:20:10.940 No, of course it is.

01:20:12.040 There was an indictment

01:20:13.280 and the DHS and the DOJ

01:20:14.520 went and got Maduro

01:20:15.240 all legal, all allowed.

01:20:16.120 Can I say something?

01:20:16.900 Since you mentioned that,

01:20:18.160 I am very happy

01:20:19.040 about the capture

01:20:19.980 of Nicolas Maduro.

01:20:21.460 I went to the courthouse

01:20:22.900 where he was arraigned

01:20:23.880 and I saw the people

01:20:24.800 who were calling

01:20:25.340 for his freedom.

01:20:26.340 Wow.

01:20:26.760 You know,

01:20:27.000 I really disagree

01:20:27.600 with you about,

01:20:29.080 I think,

01:20:29.740 I disagree with you

01:20:30.520 because your defense

01:20:31.580 of Nazis

01:20:32.060 and how they prosecuted Jews

01:20:33.560 I think is a bad thing

01:20:34.440 but you agree with it.

01:20:35.760 So, I mean,

01:20:36.600 the Nazis had trials

01:20:38.140 and they had indictments

01:20:39.500 and arrests of Jews, right?

01:20:41.200 So that makes it legal.

01:20:42.140 Do you think that

01:20:42.840 because I'm defending

01:20:43.700 the principle

01:20:44.460 of adhering to the Constitution

01:20:46.760 and defending the rule of law

01:20:47.040 to make the point

01:20:47.060 that just because

01:20:47.940 an authority figure

01:20:48.720 says it's true

01:20:49.200 doesn't mean it's true.

01:20:50.380 Just because

01:20:51.100 a government official

01:20:52.400 says it's legal and allowed

01:20:53.660 doesn't mean it's a good thing

01:20:54.560 that should be allowed.

01:20:55.780 And when the Nazis,

01:20:56.540 did you understand

01:20:57.300 me to be saying

01:20:58.080 that all laws

01:20:59.320 are moral,

01:21:00.340 correct?

01:21:01.000 You said the only way

01:21:01.480 you can do it

01:21:01.900 is through a trial.

01:21:02.540 I said,

01:21:02.720 no, you can't.

01:21:04.180 Well, what's your alternative?

01:21:05.880 The presidential pardon power.

01:21:07.460 So instead of a jury

01:21:08.680 of your peers,

01:21:09.700 you think that power

01:21:10.720 should be concentrated

01:21:11.500 like people's innocence

01:21:13.000 and guilt

01:21:13.940 should pin on

01:21:14.920 the president

01:21:16.160 and that should lay

01:21:17.000 with the executive.

01:21:17.660 There's a reason

01:21:19.020 the president

01:21:19.480 has the ability

01:21:20.140 to pardon.

01:21:20.540 I think he's saying

01:21:22.200 that the presidential

01:21:23.080 pardon power

01:21:23.840 exists to fix

01:21:25.340 the errors

01:21:26.060 that happen

01:21:26.520 sometimes in trials.

01:21:27.540 I'm not saying

01:21:27.900 that in this case

01:21:28.500 it was justified,

01:21:29.220 but that's why it exists.

01:21:30.000 It was absolutely justified.

01:21:31.780 The people who went

01:21:32.560 to prison for violence

01:21:33.580 deserve to go to prison

01:21:34.680 and did.

01:21:35.300 And they were in prison

01:21:35.840 for three years

01:21:36.620 and I think that's good.

01:21:37.980 The people who didn't

01:21:39.320 know a riot was happening

01:21:40.400 should not have been

01:21:41.180 charged at all

01:21:41.780 because you should be warned.

01:21:43.160 Reoffend since he has

01:21:44.060 pardoned them.

01:21:44.780 And they should go to prison.

01:21:46.500 Well, they were already

01:21:47.180 in prison.

01:21:47.600 He didn't.

01:21:47.860 If he hadn't pardoned them,

01:21:48.860 then they wouldn't have

01:21:49.340 reoffended in the first place

01:21:50.420 because they've just been

01:21:51.320 serving out their sentence.

01:21:52.040 20 years in prison.

01:21:53.500 I'm sorry?

01:21:54.200 You like you think

01:21:55.160 if so,

01:21:55.840 if an activist

01:21:57.060 punches a cop,

01:21:59.180 they should go to prison

01:21:59.900 for 20 years?

01:22:01.060 Depends on the circumstances.

01:22:02.180 Like Dave was saying,

01:22:03.000 I would need more information

01:22:03.900 to know because it's going

01:22:04.700 to depend on

01:22:05.340 is it their first defense?

01:22:06.700 How first offense

01:22:07.580 will get

01:22:08.680 let's say a person's

01:22:10.960 first offense,

01:22:11.580 they're at a riot

01:22:12.080 and they punch a cop.

01:22:13.040 Should they go to prison

01:22:13.540 for 10 years?

01:22:14.760 They punch it for 10 years?

01:22:15.920 If that's the sentencing guidelines.

01:22:17.200 But why not?

01:22:17.440 Well, hold on.

01:22:17.900 But again,

01:22:18.780 if that's the sentencing guidelines

01:22:20.200 and they have a trial

01:22:21.500 and they're found guilty,

01:22:23.040 then yeah,

01:22:23.600 I believe the law

01:22:24.100 should be followed.

01:22:24.680 And then from there,

01:22:25.580 they can appeal.

01:22:26.560 But I don't think

01:22:27.360 that the president

01:22:27.800 should come in

01:22:28.420 and unilaterally pardon them

01:22:29.660 because they disagree with it.

01:22:30.660 The solution would be a pardon

01:22:30.740 would be a commuting

01:22:31.540 of the sentence

01:22:32.220 if you believe it.

01:22:32.620 Which is what Trump did

01:22:33.560 for the violent offense.

01:22:34.220 Oh, it was a commuting?

01:22:35.120 Commutations.

01:22:35.820 I think Enrique Tarja

01:22:36.700 was a commutation.

01:22:37.640 To appeal decisions

01:22:39.040 and overturn decisions.

01:22:40.280 And the presidential pardon power

01:22:41.400 exists for a reason.

01:22:42.420 It does,

01:22:42.820 but there can also be abuses

01:22:43.960 of those powers

01:22:44.680 and I view the just blanket.

01:22:46.600 Like when he pardoned

01:22:48.260 everybody's in the day

01:22:49.000 before he left office

01:22:49.900 including his own son.

01:22:50.980 Well, he wasn't even in D.C.

01:22:51.960 and I think there's an argument

01:22:52.640 for that.

01:22:53.140 But I think Biggs was commuted.

01:22:55.120 But I love everything you're saying

01:22:56.900 because it proves

01:22:57.540 the point I made earlier.

01:22:58.640 You don't care about what's true.

01:23:00.080 You care about advancing

01:23:00.700 your ideology.

01:23:01.700 So if an argument exists

01:23:02.920 that like a far leftist

01:23:04.980 who punched a cop

01:23:06.100 shouldn't go to prison

01:23:06.860 or accelerated a vehicle

01:23:07.800 towards an officer

01:23:08.560 and they didn't do anything wrong.

01:23:09.500 I'm not saying

01:23:10.200 that they shouldn't go to prison.

01:23:11.000 I don't think she's saying that, Tim.

01:23:11.440 They should go to prison

01:23:12.020 for 10 years

01:23:12.600 and that sounds excessive to me.

01:23:13.600 I look forward

01:23:14.300 to every single Antifa

01:23:15.540 getting 20 years in prison.

01:23:17.940 Every progressive activist

01:23:19.000 who obstructs an officer

01:23:19.880 for the first time

01:23:20.740 and pushes or evades

01:23:22.300 in whatever way,

01:23:23.120 maximum motherfucking ass penalty.

01:23:25.260 That's why you have

01:23:25.960 sentencing guidelines.

01:23:26.940 That's why you have

01:23:28.080 sentencing guidelines

01:23:28.640 to make sure

01:23:29.260 it's a little more formalized

01:23:30.640 and consistent.

01:23:31.960 I actually think that

01:23:33.020 a progressive activist

01:23:34.780 who gets involved in a riot

01:23:36.280 and hits a cop

01:23:37.500 shouldn't go to prison

01:23:38.640 for longer than a year.

01:23:39.520 I actually think

01:23:40.820 if there's a cop

01:23:41.740 at riot control

01:23:42.440 and there's a riot happening

01:23:43.880 and an activist shoves the cop

01:23:45.600 if an activist shoves the cop,

01:23:47.980 I think seven months,

01:23:50.220 eight months,

01:23:51.200 house arrest

01:23:51.940 for a first offense

01:23:52.760 and the reason we do that

01:23:54.000 is we say

01:23:54.480 you got mixed up

01:23:55.420 in something bad,

01:23:56.140 don't do it again

01:23:56.920 or the penalty will be worse.

01:23:58.340 But with the J6ers,

01:23:59.760 and it was a very serious event,

01:24:01.220 deserved years in prison

01:24:02.440 in my opinion

01:24:02.940 and they got it.

01:24:03.620 And so for Trump to pardon,

01:24:06.300 so the issue is

01:24:07.560 violent individuals

01:24:08.840 went to prison for years,

01:24:10.800 some got solitary confinement

01:24:11.980 and they deserved it.

01:24:13.420 The individuals who trespassed

01:24:14.960 and didn't know

01:24:15.700 what was going on

01:24:16.200 and walked peacefully

01:24:17.040 through the velvet ropes

01:24:18.020 shouldn't go to prison for years.

01:24:20.140 They should probably get

01:24:21.280 community service

01:24:22.180 and maybe like 12 months

01:24:25.040 of probation

01:24:25.580 or something like that.

01:24:26.660 I don't know that everybody

01:24:27.760 got years in prison

01:24:29.780 just because of their participation

01:24:30.940 in January 6th.

01:24:32.620 One more time?

01:24:34.100 I don't know that everybody

01:24:35.060 who was at January 6th

01:24:36.900 actually ended up being

01:24:37.960 given sentences

01:24:39.060 of like two years minimum.

01:24:40.600 Right, but the point is

01:24:41.300 some did

01:24:41.720 and those people

01:24:42.240 should not be in prison

01:24:43.140 for simply walking

01:24:44.040 in an open door.

01:24:45.260 I don't even know

01:24:46.320 if they are.

01:24:47.020 Yeah, I don't know

01:24:47.600 if they got prison for that.

01:24:48.820 They did.

01:24:49.360 I personally know these people.

01:24:51.140 And they were sentenced

01:24:52.140 to prison.

01:24:52.920 18 months.

01:24:53.820 But the answer to that

01:24:54.500 if you disagree

01:24:55.000 is to appeal it.

01:24:55.940 You're fascists.

01:24:56.520 No, but the answer is

01:24:57.540 you have to have a system

01:24:59.200 and treat everyone consistently

01:25:00.160 so you appeal it.

01:25:00.840 And they didn't.

01:25:01.660 But then you appeal it.

01:25:02.420 Or Trump pardons them.

01:25:04.860 Yeah, but that's

01:25:05.800 what it exists for.

01:25:06.840 And I disagree with that

01:25:07.780 but he does have that power.

01:25:08.700 You're both fascists.

01:25:09.620 He did a blatant pardon

01:25:10.800 of 1,500 people.

01:25:11.420 It wasn't even tailored

01:25:13.200 to people like that.

01:25:14.600 Do you remember those?

01:25:15.460 It was just every single person.

01:25:16.400 I know one of those cases.

01:25:17.020 Yes, exactly right.

01:25:18.140 That Biden also put in prison

01:25:19.580 the people who were

01:25:20.420 simply protesting and praying

01:25:21.940 in front of abortion clinics.

01:25:23.300 Oh, right, right, right.

01:25:23.740 That is truly obstructed.

01:25:24.960 You know, I know that there's a law.

01:25:26.020 Biden put in prison.

01:25:26.520 The Biden administration.

01:25:27.500 The Biden DOJ.

01:25:28.200 On Biden.

01:25:28.760 Wait, can I present you

01:25:29.360 with a hypothetical then?

01:25:29.880 No, no, but this is a real case

01:25:31.540 where Trump also pardoned them

01:25:32.700 and it was a very good

01:25:33.480 pardon you.

01:25:34.040 You should look up

01:25:34.600 the case of John Hinshaw.

01:25:35.700 I know his family.

01:25:37.480 So if Joe Biden

01:25:38.380 during his last term

01:25:40.960 had decided to find

01:25:42.780 1,500 individuals

01:25:44.240 that had been imprisoned

01:25:45.520 because of participation

01:25:46.540 in BLM riots,

01:25:47.580 arson, et cetera,

01:25:49.260 and he pardoned them

01:25:50.100 because he felt the same way

01:25:51.260 that, oh, these people

01:25:52.900 have, you know,

01:25:53.380 this is their first time offense.

01:25:54.220 I wish Trump had

01:25:54.900 a rest of 1,500 offenses.

01:25:57.360 You know, I think that

01:25:58.200 I'm going to find

01:25:59.160 1,500 individuals

01:25:59.980 and pardon them

01:26:00.860 because I think BLM

01:26:01.640 is a righteous cause.

01:26:02.700 You would support that?

01:26:03.660 Well, I don't know

01:26:04.060 that Trump said

01:26:04.480 the word righteous cause,

01:26:06.200 so I'm not going to agree

01:26:06.880 with the moral statement.

01:26:07.680 No, and my hypothetical is my hypothetical,

01:26:08.400 so let's say that.

01:26:09.500 I'm saying that that's,

01:26:10.340 I guess, Biden's motivation

01:26:11.500 in my hypothetical.

01:26:12.260 If Biden is saying

01:26:13.520 that these people

01:26:14.400 I genuinely believe

01:26:15.460 are doing wrong,

01:26:16.860 but the wrong benefits me,

01:26:18.000 that's a bad thing.

01:26:19.000 But if Biden were to pardon

01:26:20.400 1,500 individuals

01:26:21.700 who were engaged

01:26:22.560 in a violent riot

01:26:23.380 where they received

01:26:24.020 exorbitant terms,

01:26:25.480 I would agree with their pardon.

01:26:26.660 Absolutely.

01:26:27.540 So yes, you would agree

01:26:29.080 with Biden pardoning

01:26:30.140 1,500 violent BLM rioters.

01:26:32.160 Absolutely.

01:26:32.620 But I think that

01:26:33.280 it would have been great

01:26:34.100 if 1,500 violent BLM rioters

01:26:36.720 had gone to prison

01:26:37.740 for three years,

01:26:38.560 which they didn't.

01:26:39.520 Yeah, the issue is

01:26:40.200 we saw multi-billion dollar damages

01:26:41.940 in the George Floyd riots

01:26:43.020 and instead of arresting

01:26:44.700 the criminals

01:26:45.120 who murdered people,

01:26:45.960 they raised money

01:26:47.660 on their behalf.

01:26:48.420 That's right.

01:26:49.040 Kamala included.

01:26:50.340 If Biden's DOJ

01:26:52.700 or the Trump DOJ,

01:26:53.820 let's say the Trump DOJ

01:26:54.960 during the George Floyd riots

01:26:56.220 rounded up 1,500 people

01:26:58.520 and gave violent writers

01:27:00.160 20-year sentences,

01:27:02.020 I'd be saying,

01:27:02.920 holy shit, dude,

01:27:04.080 20 years?

01:27:04.900 Like, come on.

01:27:05.440 Some of these people

01:27:06.040 are just retarded.

01:27:07.360 A year or two is maybe.

01:27:08.800 The president should be

01:27:08.920 in the business

01:27:09.500 of unilaterally deciding

01:27:10.980 any individual person's sentence.

01:27:12.600 But that's what

01:27:14.700 the pardon power exists for.

01:27:16.820 What?

01:27:17.200 The pardon power exists

01:27:18.220 to be a check

01:27:19.160 on what is,

01:27:20.300 I guess,

01:27:20.640 supposed to be

01:27:20.940 a miscarriage of justice,

01:27:21.740 but it ends up being abused.

01:27:23.400 You have Biden pardoning his son,

01:27:24.900 which is flagrantly corrupt.

01:27:26.340 You have Bill Clinton

01:27:27.260 pardoning his brother

01:27:28.220 for co-charges

01:27:29.160 like right before he leaves office.

01:27:30.340 That was corrupt.

01:27:31.340 You have Trump

01:27:32.240 giving pardons out left and right.

01:27:33.720 He just pardoned that

01:27:34.640 head of the Honduran

01:27:35.840 like drug cartel

01:27:37.240 fucking dude or whatever.

01:27:38.480 Though we're hearing

01:27:39.180 that that reason

01:27:40.120 may be that now

01:27:40.840 he's going to testify

01:27:41.580 against Maduro

01:27:42.400 so it may be part of a deal.

01:27:44.340 This is why we need to like

01:27:45.660 You think he was thinking

01:27:46.700 he was playing 4D chess

01:27:47.780 on this one?

01:27:48.360 He pardoned because he likes

01:27:49.740 that's the political party

01:27:51.000 he favors in Honduras.

01:27:52.080 No, no, I know it.

01:27:54.120 But like we need to let

01:27:55.860 the story play out

01:27:56.680 a little bit more.

01:27:57.400 The trial of Maduro

01:27:58.120 is March 17th.

01:27:59.140 It begins.

01:28:00.100 I think there should be

01:28:01.120 a congressional check on it.

01:28:02.800 And we may get a deal

01:28:04.000 because of that.

01:28:04.460 I think all that really matters

01:28:06.120 is what you described to me

01:28:08.780 and the way I perceive

01:28:09.820 your worldview is

01:28:10.920 if it is legal

01:28:12.160 it'll happen

01:28:13.000 and maybe it's not just

01:28:14.360 but we're going to let it happen.

01:28:15.860 I view you as an ideologue

01:28:17.020 who will say whatever you have to

01:28:18.240 to advance a political ideology

01:28:19.620 but there is a reality

01:28:21.040 to what is going on

01:28:21.840 and some things are good

01:28:22.580 and some things are bad

01:28:23.340 and some people are innocent

01:28:24.180 and some people aren't

01:28:24.920 and we live now

01:28:26.080 in what I call

01:28:26.620 the machine state

01:28:27.540 where an individual

01:28:29.260 will be arrested

01:28:29.960 on fake charges

01:28:30.900 or trumped up charges

01:28:32.240 and your worldview says

01:28:34.060 so be it

01:28:34.920 and I've been victim of that.

01:28:36.500 I think your worldview

01:28:37.380 is the system is corrupt

01:28:38.420 and should be burned down

01:28:39.220 by any means necessary.

01:28:40.560 Neither of which are good

01:28:42.000 for anyone who lives

01:28:42.920 in this country.

01:28:43.440 Well, I'm literally

01:28:44.420 criticizing the president

01:28:45.800 for going against

01:28:46.840 what I'd be to be

01:28:47.740 like the spirit of the law

01:28:48.920 by mass pardoning

01:28:50.660 1500 violent criminals

01:28:52.220 No circumstance exists

01:28:53.480 where leftists

01:28:54.540 are getting arrested

01:28:55.060 so your hypothetical

01:28:55.800 is easy to say.

01:28:56.620 Anarchy.

01:28:57.220 How is that?

01:28:57.700 I'm saying that the law

01:28:58.640 ought to be enforced

01:28:59.380 and that their convictions

01:29:00.240 and sentences

01:29:01.360 ought to be carried out.

01:29:02.720 Conveniently,

01:29:03.240 when a woman accelerates

01:29:04.040 her vehicle into a cop

01:29:05.000 hitting them

01:29:05.400 you're magically on her side.

01:29:07.380 I assume innocent

01:29:08.460 until proven guilty

01:29:09.400 for one

01:29:10.060 so that is a default

01:29:11.020 for literally

01:29:11.700 every single individual

01:29:12.860 in this country

01:29:13.700 that is charged

01:29:14.340 with anything

01:29:14.720 for one

01:29:15.920 and for two

01:29:16.820 because you just said

01:29:17.960 that I will

01:29:18.620 how did you characterize

01:29:19.880 my defense

01:29:20.740 of this individual?

01:29:21.340 You will say

01:29:21.700 whatever you need to

01:29:22.260 to advance your ideology

01:29:23.200 and you won't?

01:29:24.760 You just said that

01:29:25.200 you just said

01:29:25.700 you approve

01:29:26.060 of 1500

01:29:26.620 violent criminals

01:29:28.060 I said Trump was wrong

01:29:29.100 I said Trump lied

01:29:30.020 I said Trump shouldn't

01:29:30.760 have gone in Venezuela

01:29:31.340 yeah I'll say it

01:29:32.640 all the fucking time

01:29:33.520 I am not here

01:29:34.880 to advance an ideology

01:29:35.900 I'm here to figure out

01:29:36.500 what's really going on

01:29:37.400 in the world

01:29:37.580 Wait you don't think

01:29:37.880 Trump should have done

01:29:38.740 the thing on Maduro?

01:29:39.860 I say 45% yes

01:29:42.860 so like 55%

01:29:44.320 I'm against him going in

01:29:45.500 and the issue is

01:29:46.420 as much as Maduro

01:29:47.020 is a scumbag

01:29:47.680 and he's illegitimately

01:29:49.240 in power

01:29:49.820 and he's oppressing

01:29:50.500 and hurting

01:29:51.120 the Venezuelan people

01:29:51.920 there's two big questions

01:29:53.360 why should the US

01:29:55.020 create these risks

01:29:56.200 to itself?

01:29:57.220 We have internal priorities

01:29:58.500 so it is a priority for us

01:30:00.480 because there are

01:30:00.860 foreign policy ramifications

01:30:02.580 but it's low on the list

01:30:03.920 as far as I'm concerned

01:30:04.700 the second thing is

01:30:05.780 are we going to see

01:30:07.060 destabilization

01:30:07.720 in the region

01:30:09.180 which makes the problem

01:30:09.860 substantially worse

01:30:10.720 and there's a good probability

01:30:11.680 that will be the case

01:30:12.540 Do you mind if I make

01:30:13.240 a quick case Amanda?

01:30:14.140 Yeah good

01:30:14.320 Yeah well

01:30:15.220 I don't think that this is about

01:30:16.960 just like justice

01:30:17.940 in which case

01:30:18.560 I mean obviously it's justice

01:30:19.920 because it's a grand jury indictment

01:30:21.420 so it's a law enforcement operation

01:30:22.840 of capturing him

01:30:23.580 that went really well

01:30:24.440 but this is really

01:30:25.560 when the left says

01:30:26.540 oh this is all about oil

01:30:27.820 actually that's not a bad thing

01:30:29.600 you know

01:30:30.380 Venezuela used to be

01:30:31.420 a major oil producer

01:30:32.300 now it's not producing oil

01:30:33.580 because of the socialist regime

01:30:34.860 if we can manage

01:30:35.880 to increase oil production

01:30:36.980 and take it away

01:30:37.940 from Russia

01:30:38.460 from China

01:30:38.940 from Iran

01:30:39.400 which is where

01:30:39.980 all these boats were headed

01:30:41.100 then that's lower gas prices

01:30:42.700 for us

01:30:43.220 that's number one

01:30:44.020 Wait didn't Trump literally say

01:30:45.040 it was about oil though?

01:30:45.980 Yeah but I'm saying

01:30:46.740 it's a good thing

01:30:47.300 number two

01:30:48.380 I know

01:30:48.820 when you say like

01:30:49.460 oh but the left is saying this

01:30:50.680 it's like no

01:30:51.060 but he literally said that

01:30:52.300 and he consulted

01:30:52.980 they're saying it as if it's negative

01:30:55.280 number two

01:30:56.420 the drug issue

01:30:57.540 a huge chunk of cocaine

01:30:59.440 not fentanyl

01:31:00.400 that's not

01:31:00.920 it's cocaine

01:31:01.960 comes from Venezuela

01:31:03.440 it's used to fund terrorism

01:31:04.820 including Hezbollah

01:31:05.800 and number three

01:31:06.820 the illegal migration

01:31:07.720 Venezuela is the largest

01:31:08.720 refugee crisis

01:31:09.640 peacetime in human history

01:31:10.960 nine million

01:31:11.660 and it's because of

01:31:12.560 the Maduro regime

01:31:13.420 The reason why I say

01:31:14.480 I'm lukewarm on it

01:31:15.300 and lean away from it

01:31:16.420 is we don't know

01:31:17.420 what the ramifications

01:31:17.860 are going to be

01:31:19.400 but there's infinitely more

01:31:20.180 arguments for

01:31:21.120 someone in our backyard

01:31:22.380 across the gulf

01:31:23.100 was aggressing upon us

01:31:24.120 and aiding our enemies

01:31:24.840 we tried sanctions

01:31:26.300 it didn't work

01:31:26.920 so we tried the carrot

01:31:28.320 it doesn't work

01:31:28.900 you get the stick

01:31:29.380 that being said

01:31:30.840 it was a masterfully

01:31:33.880 pulled off

01:31:34.500 precision snatch and grab

01:31:35.780 I'm impressed by all of that

01:31:37.260 and Trump has proven

01:31:38.700 in the past

01:31:39.260 he can do these quick

01:31:40.020 in and outs

01:31:40.460 without lasting

01:31:41.300 damage towards stability

01:31:42.540 without boots on the ground

01:31:44.140 without boots on the ground

01:31:44.980 but I

01:31:46.120 my concern is

01:31:47.200 if Venezuela destabilizes

01:31:48.420 we're going to

01:31:49.060 we're going to see

01:31:49.500 narco-terrorist

01:31:50.280 I'll tell you

01:31:51.140 about the whole

01:31:51.900 Venezuela thing

01:31:52.560 a lot of people say

01:31:53.280 well you know

01:31:54.020 this can be like Iraq

01:31:55.020 Venezuela's not a Muslim country

01:31:56.520 number one

01:31:57.460 Venezuela doesn't have

01:31:58.380 ethnic or religious

01:31:59.200 or language divisions

01:32:00.440 and the civilians

01:32:01.640 are unarmed

01:32:02.520 so it's not going to be

01:32:04.340 like we're going to get

01:32:05.040 insane guerrillas

01:32:05.680 that already exist

01:32:06.500 by the way

01:32:06.880 in Colombia

01:32:07.480 what about FARC

01:32:08.800 FARC already exists

01:32:09.660 and it's in Colombia

01:32:10.520 but I'm saying

01:32:11.880 why would they not move in

01:32:12.940 I just saw the headline yesterday

01:32:13.940 the military of Colombia

01:32:14.860 saying that the FARC

01:32:15.760 and the ELN guerrillas

01:32:16.820 are now fleeing

01:32:17.660 out of Venezuela

01:32:18.440 into Colombia

01:32:19.000 because they're pissed

01:32:20.040 out of Trump's military action

01:32:21.820 my concern would be

01:32:23.620 that these cartels

01:32:24.360 are going to see

01:32:24.700 a power vacuum

01:32:25.280 and say

01:32:25.660 now's our chance

01:32:26.300 well

01:32:26.700 and then we're dealing

01:32:27.380 with something

01:32:27.700 the problem is

01:32:28.220 that the regime

01:32:28.780 is the cartel

01:32:29.900 yeah right right right

01:32:30.860 like they literally are

01:32:32.260 the issue I have

01:32:33.500 with it is

01:32:34.360 the issue I have

01:32:35.320 with literally everything

01:32:36.100 is I have no problem

01:32:37.240 calling out

01:32:37.940 literally anybody

01:32:39.180 I've criticized

01:32:41.160 Megyn Kelly

01:32:41.940 Tucker I'm a bit

01:32:43.940 lukewarm

01:32:44.540 I have questions

01:32:45.320 but he's allowed

01:32:46.160 to have his opinion

01:32:46.700 well he says

01:32:47.380 the Venezuela thing

01:32:48.120 is about gay marriage

01:32:49.000 I mean that's ridiculous

01:32:50.560 he literally said that

01:32:51.540 it's about a new term

01:32:52.700 that I had never heard before

01:32:53.680 global homo

01:32:55.060 that's why we care about Venezuela

01:32:56.840 global homo is a very old term

01:32:58.440 oh really

01:32:58.800 it means global homogenization

01:33:00.320 oh really

01:33:01.360 I thought it was

01:33:02.080 global homosexual

01:33:03.020 no no no

01:33:03.680 he did say we went in

01:33:05.140 because he's very

01:33:06.180 culturally conservative

01:33:07.080 Maduro

01:33:07.440 and we want to impose

01:33:08.540 gay marriage

01:33:09.080 Maduro literally funded BLM

01:33:10.640 in the United States

01:33:11.660 global homogenization

01:33:12.660 so the reason why I think

01:33:14.020 the Israel narrative

01:33:14.700 has emerged so strongly

01:33:15.960 is that this is a standard

01:33:17.280 intelligence manipulation

01:33:19.960 so when you're dealing

01:33:21.460 with a group of people

01:33:22.440 and you want controlled

01:33:23.040 opposition

01:33:23.500 and they're on the right track

01:33:24.580 you need to give them

01:33:25.300 the wrong track

01:33:25.920 so what I see is happening

01:33:26.860 is over the past 10 years

01:33:27.940 the right in this country

01:33:29.920 has been heavily focused

01:33:31.280 on the world economic forum

01:33:32.400 the swift payment system

01:33:33.720 the international monetary fund

01:33:34.980 the what's called

01:33:36.240 the liberal economic order

01:33:37.260 which was created

01:33:37.740 by the United States

01:33:38.360 and western powers

01:33:39.100 following World War II

01:33:39.940 and the right

01:33:41.440 has largely hyper focused

01:33:43.100 on that

01:33:43.300 this is really really bad

01:33:44.240 if you're part

01:33:45.280 of these corporations

01:33:46.200 and these like

01:33:47.800 nobility

01:33:48.920 royalty

01:33:49.540 house of lords

01:33:50.620 things like that

01:33:51.240 because you basically

01:33:52.280 have a population

01:33:53.020 pointing directly

01:33:54.340 at what you're doing

01:33:55.380 and obstructing you

01:33:56.220 so what happens

01:33:58.000 when everybody online

01:34:00.800 says

01:34:01.340 the great reset

01:34:02.720 is a problem

01:34:03.320 the world economic forum

01:34:04.440 deletes it from their website

01:34:05.440 and deletes it from their twitter

01:34:06.300 what happens when

01:34:07.680 people say

01:34:08.240 hey look

01:34:08.800 you will own nothing

01:34:09.840 and you will be happy

01:34:10.500 the world economic forum

01:34:11.200 deletes it

01:34:11.780 and they scrub it

01:34:12.960 what happens

01:34:13.760 when we start talking

01:34:14.680 on the council

01:34:15.100 on foreign relations

01:34:15.880 and the liberal economic order

01:34:16.860 the reason why

01:34:17.760 we took out Saddam Hussein

01:34:18.800 because he wanted to get off

01:34:19.540 the petrodollar

01:34:20.160 or more more Gaddafi

01:34:21.060 same reason

01:34:22.000 the book

01:34:23.160 the confessions

01:34:23.640 of an economic hitman

01:34:24.400 how the US

01:34:24.940 and western powers

01:34:25.720 will remove

01:34:26.420 a politician

01:34:27.500 if they oppose

01:34:28.540 the petrodollar system

01:34:29.480 which is clearly

01:34:30.060 what we are seeing

01:34:31.080 with Venezuela

01:34:31.560 which by the way

01:34:32.200 but also

01:34:32.860 the question is

01:34:33.560 what's good for the United States

01:34:34.760 right

01:34:35.200 so the point ultimately is

01:34:36.400 you have this extra national group

01:34:38.640 that consists of

01:34:39.700 it's largely the NATO nations

01:34:40.900 they have an economic agenda

01:34:42.640 where they create

01:34:43.380 the North American economic block

01:34:45.220 the European economic block

01:34:46.280 we can see the conflicts

01:34:47.640 in the Middle East

01:34:48.340 with Syria

01:34:48.880 up to the conflict in Ukraine

01:34:50.000 largely predicated upon

01:34:51.160 what's called

01:34:51.580 the liberal economic order

01:34:52.460 how do you stop

01:34:54.420 these fucking people

01:34:56.200 from pointing at

01:34:57.880 what we're doing

01:34:58.560 and destabilizing it

01:34:59.560 you promote

01:35:00.500 Candace Owens

01:35:01.180 and get her on the front page

01:35:02.040 to scream the Jews

01:35:02.880 now

01:35:04.040 when someone says

01:35:05.480 something like

01:35:06.120 there is an extra national group

01:35:07.960 that is imposing

01:35:08.860 its will

01:35:09.420 on European

01:35:10.140 and the United countries

01:35:11.680 and North American countries

01:35:12.980 they go

01:35:13.560 you mean the Jews

01:35:14.760 and I go

01:35:15.340 no

01:35:15.860 I'm talking about

01:35:16.700 corporations

01:35:17.500 oil executives

01:35:18.720 bank executives

01:35:19.420 you know actually

01:35:19.620 I think the

01:35:20.460 the actual threat

01:35:21.700 and the people promoting

01:35:22.780 people like Candace Owens

01:35:24.140 and even what Tucker

01:35:25.360 is doing

01:35:25.860 is this evil alliance

01:35:27.900 of regimes

01:35:29.100 including Russia

01:35:29.840 including China

01:35:30.540 including Qatar

01:35:31.180 including Venezuela

01:35:31.960 Cuba

01:35:32.360 that Manolo Losantos

01:35:34.120 the guy calling

01:35:34.600 for the hanging

01:35:35.140 of Christian Oum

01:35:35.820 was trained in Cuba

01:35:36.940 not in Ukraine

01:35:38.860 or in Germany

01:35:40.300 it was in Cuba

01:35:41.120 I think it's a red herring

01:35:41.980 I think what we're seeing is

01:35:44.200 Barry Weiss

01:35:45.340 is the voice of reason

01:35:46.240 and she's pro-Israel

01:35:47.560 and now she's fixing CBS

01:35:49.700 so the middle of the road people

01:35:51.560 like Elon Musk

01:35:52.560 where he shows that meme

01:35:53.600 from Colin Wright

01:35:54.220 where it's like

01:35:54.640 the left went so far left

01:35:55.640 he's now considered right wing

01:35:56.860 Barry Weiss is your exit

01:35:58.620 she's your point of egress

01:35:59.880 you can now say

01:36:00.560 thank you for doing

01:36:01.880 regular news

01:36:02.680 this means she's going

01:36:04.220 to earn the favor

01:36:05.020 of all the moderate individuals

01:36:06.120 and she's a proud Zionist

01:36:07.260 so it creates a positive

01:36:08.720 political environment

01:36:10.020 for someone who's overtly

01:36:11.020 a proud Zionist

01:36:11.740 you then promote

01:36:13.260 the most wackaloon

01:36:14.320 conspiracies

01:36:15.140 against Zionists

01:36:16.840 from Candace Owens

01:36:17.900 so the people

01:36:19.060 who follow her

01:36:19.860 like a Pied Piper

01:36:20.760 are going to go out

01:36:21.900 in public

01:36:22.200 and say retarded things

01:36:23.320 that scare people

01:36:24.140 who do you think

01:36:24.840 is promoting her

01:36:25.720 for example

01:36:26.640 oh YouTube has her

01:36:27.300 on the front page

01:36:27.800 every single day

01:36:28.420 but who do you think

01:36:29.320 is behind that

01:36:30.080 YouTube

01:36:30.660 YouTube

01:36:31.480 yeah I think

01:36:32.580 it's a coordinated effort

01:36:34.000 from what we describe

01:36:35.180 as the establishment

01:36:35.880 in this country

01:36:36.440 so what happens

01:36:37.440 so you think

01:36:37.820 there are rich people

01:36:38.560 who are doing that

01:36:39.280 in the US

01:36:39.900 like rich is

01:36:41.080 rich is a bit reductive

01:36:42.040 but let's just say

01:36:42.760 powerful people

01:36:43.480 from various governments

01:36:44.320 corporations or otherwise

01:36:45.340 how do they gain from it

01:36:47.260 okay so let's

01:36:48.400 let's go back to 2016

01:36:49.760 Donald Trump

01:36:50.260 should not have won

01:36:50.860 in the leaked emails

01:36:52.060 from WikiLeaks

01:36:52.800 the Democratic Party

01:36:54.060 said Donald Trump

01:36:54.700 was the Pied Piper candidate

01:36:55.880 they wanted Donald Trump

01:36:57.400 to march all the conservatives

01:36:58.720 into the sea

01:36:59.380 to their deaths

01:36:59.980 figuratively

01:37:00.500 that by having him

01:37:02.180 be the nominee

01:37:02.680 for the GOP

01:37:03.440 Hillary Clinton

01:37:04.040 would get a slam dunk

01:37:04.840 unfortunately

01:37:05.440 Hillary Clinton

01:37:06.120 is massively detestable

01:37:07.780 and Donald Trump

01:37:09.000 was actually able

01:37:09.740 to pull off a win

01:37:10.440 this was largely due

01:37:12.280 to what the Democrats

01:37:13.560 and even the Republicans

01:37:14.960 missed

01:37:15.460 the Republicans

01:37:16.160 did not want Trump

01:37:17.120 to win

01:37:17.460 they were fighting

01:37:18.340 against him

01:37:18.800 the Democrats

01:37:19.360 didn't want Bernie Sanders

01:37:20.140 to win

01:37:20.500 but the internet

01:37:21.380 allowed for a bubbling

01:37:22.560 up of a generation

01:37:23.560 of populists

01:37:24.500 and the Democratic side

01:37:25.800 they used superdelegates

01:37:26.540 to push out Bernie Sanders

01:37:27.440 on the Republican side

01:37:28.100 they had no such mechanism

01:37:28.800 and Trump wins

01:37:29.460 well what happens next

01:37:30.820 they accuse Trump

01:37:31.440 of being a Russian asset

01:37:32.340 of colluding with Russia

01:37:33.800 in reality

01:37:34.220 it's the worst thing

01:37:34.800 that's happened to Russia

01:37:35.460 things that were all

01:37:36.020 just silly and nonsensical

01:37:38.060 they impeach him

01:37:38.880 and they wage

01:37:40.300 all sorts of political

01:37:41.140 they did impeach him

01:37:42.780 well Vladimir Putin

01:37:44.000 I don't think Trump

01:37:44.560 is the worst thing

01:37:45.000 that's happened to Russia

01:37:45.520 oh I do

01:37:46.180 I do

01:37:46.720 I think Russia

01:37:47.400 is very much in trouble

01:37:48.860 we're seizing their boats

01:37:50.360 the illegal oil boats

01:37:51.780 destroying their oil

01:37:52.500 let me wrap up

01:37:53.920 this chain of thought

01:37:54.840 just so we can move on

01:37:56.260 to those points

01:37:56.660 Donald Trump winning

01:37:58.180 was outside of the plan

01:37:59.900 and it was only possible

01:38:00.840 because of the media

01:38:02.640 social media

01:38:03.280 the ability of user

01:38:04.140 generated content

01:38:04.780 which had just

01:38:05.820 for the first time emerged

01:38:06.860 Barack Obama famously

01:38:08.140 used Facebook

01:38:08.820 in his first two elections

01:38:10.600 but ubiquity was not there

01:38:12.960 CNN was still getting

01:38:14.240 5 million viewers

01:38:15.300 every single night

01:38:16.020 and social media

01:38:17.340 was in its infancy

01:38:18.180 but around Trump

01:38:18.860 is when the flip

01:38:19.340 started to occur

01:38:19.920 which allowed for

01:38:20.980 a media environment

01:38:21.720 where people were

01:38:22.300 promoting Trump

01:38:22.760 and he actually

01:38:23.200 crossed the finish line

01:38:24.280 political lawfare

01:38:25.400 was then waged

01:38:26.220 trying to stop Trump

01:38:27.400 he was again

01:38:27.940 accused of being

01:38:28.400 a Russian asset

01:38:28.980 he was impeached

01:38:30.020 we spent millions

01:38:30.600 of dollars doing it

01:38:31.220 all of which turned out

01:38:31.900 to be silly

01:38:32.400 he never had

01:38:33.100 hookers pee on a bed

01:38:33.840 all just utter nonsense

01:38:35.040 so eventually

01:38:36.780 you get the 2020 election

01:38:37.740 and he does lose

01:38:38.880 for whatever reason

01:38:40.380 you think he lost

01:38:41.100 but then something happened

01:38:42.180 Joe Biden was

01:38:43.380 massively unpopular

01:38:44.320 his presidency

01:38:45.200 was miserable

01:38:46.300 the Afghanistan withdrawal

01:38:47.300 was the turning point

01:38:48.040 in which his popularity

01:38:49.140 collapsed

01:38:49.600 and it's very difficult

01:38:50.760 to maintain

01:38:51.680 democratic

01:38:52.860 enthusiasm

01:38:54.700 going into 2024

01:38:56.200 when Trump gets

01:38:57.280 the point of the finger

01:38:57.940 and say

01:38:58.260 I was the right choice

01:38:59.320 and so what happens

01:39:00.680 thanks to the work

01:39:01.660 of Charlie Kirk

01:39:02.460 Donald Trump wins

01:39:03.500 and I believe

01:39:04.180 almost entirely

01:39:05.140 Charlie Kirk

01:39:05.680 of course there were

01:39:06.260 many efforts

01:39:06.740 people like Scott Pressler

01:39:07.740 Elon Musk funded

01:39:08.800 a lot of this

01:39:09.280 but Charlie Kirk's

01:39:10.320 160 million dollar

01:39:11.500 organization

01:39:11.960 went to high schools

01:39:12.580 and colleges

01:39:13.120 and got a generation

01:39:14.080 of young men

01:39:14.680 to shift rightwards

01:39:15.940 and create these trends

01:39:17.080 how do you stop

01:39:19.060 an emergent phenomenon

01:39:20.160 well there's a couple

01:39:21.300 ways you do it

01:39:21.800 first Charlie's gotta go

01:39:22.840 you cannot have

01:39:24.080 this leadership

01:39:24.660 that is guiding

01:39:25.840 a generation

01:39:26.540 so he's dead

01:39:27.720 whoever did it

01:39:28.800 whatever it may be

01:39:29.540 maybe it's progressives

01:39:30.640 that's what the FBI

01:39:31.320 is claiming

01:39:31.760 maybe it's deep state

01:39:32.820 well there's a brainwashed

01:39:33.340 generation

01:39:34.020 like this kid

01:39:35.020 who killed him

01:39:35.520 the point is

01:39:36.380 presumably the kid

01:39:38.420 it's Robinson

01:39:39.300 who killed him

01:39:39.740 either it's left aligned

01:39:41.220 advocates who are like

01:39:42.240 he's making Trump

01:39:43.320 when it must be stopped

01:39:44.080 or the deep state

01:39:44.740 whatever you believe

01:39:45.320 Charlie being gone

01:39:46.220 is a major advantage

01:39:47.200 to those who never

01:39:48.320 wanted Trump to win

01:39:48.880 in the first place

01:39:49.500 the next thing we see

01:39:50.840 is the overt demonization

01:39:53.180 of everything he built

01:39:54.300 Turning Point

01:39:54.900 was one of the most

01:39:55.960 powerful organizations

01:39:56.960 making young people

01:39:58.060 vote right wing

01:39:58.700 and those young people

01:39:59.720 are entering their 30s

01:40:00.600 Gen Z is now about

01:40:01.340 to be 30 years old

01:40:02.200 they're trying to buy houses

01:40:03.200 and they are leaning

01:40:04.560 rightward

01:40:05.120 so you

01:40:05.880 Charlie Kirk

01:40:06.540 it's eliminated

01:40:07.100 then you need to

01:40:08.640 eliminate Turning Point

01:40:09.400 well what do we do

01:40:10.020 Candace Owens

01:40:10.940 starts chasing the narrative

01:40:11.800 Turning Point

01:40:12.440 intentionally killed

01:40:13.300 Charlie Kirk

01:40:13.720 or at least knew about it

01:40:14.600 so if you are

01:40:16.120 an elite establishment

01:40:17.220 liberal world order guy

01:40:19.740 you say

01:40:20.200 she needs to be

01:40:21.800 the most prominent

01:40:22.760 individual for conservatives

01:40:24.240 put her on the front page

01:40:25.420 of YouTube

01:40:25.740 Nick Fuentes

01:40:26.200 Nick Fuentes is banned

01:40:27.960 but they have on Instagram

01:40:29.580 blasted him out

01:40:31.380 like crazy

01:40:32.340 and so the presumption now

01:40:34.360 is based on what we're seeing

01:40:35.240 if I was intelligence

01:40:36.880 and wanted to make sure

01:40:37.840 J.D. Vance does not win

01:40:39.200 well you've got

01:40:40.620 Nick who hates J.D. Vance

01:40:41.920 and you've got Candace

01:40:43.280 who also hates J.D. Vance

01:40:44.360 but Candace is accusing

01:40:46.000 J.D. Vance

01:40:46.540 of weird things

01:40:47.880 that are off-putting

01:40:49.140 to a suburban

01:40:49.920 middle-aged woman

01:40:50.600 YouTube puts her

01:40:52.080 on the front page

01:40:52.740 and makes sure

01:40:53.240 that new users

01:40:54.040 on Air Gap machines

01:40:54.880 are going to get her show

01:40:55.760 and she gets

01:40:56.220 120,000 concurrent viewers

01:40:58.180 making her the biggest

01:40:59.220 live stream in the country

01:41:00.000 you now are

01:41:01.380 creating the Pied Piper

01:41:02.720 who's going to

01:41:03.940 lead conservatives

01:41:04.920 either through a desire

01:41:05.880 for money

01:41:06.360 clicks

01:41:06.820 or because they believe her

01:41:08.600 into sounding like retards

01:41:10.540 we call this the retard right

01:41:11.580 because if you want to win

01:41:13.580 for your world view

01:41:14.720 going to a person

01:41:16.040 walking down the street

01:41:16.920 and asking them

01:41:17.440 if they believe

01:41:17.940 that Erica Kirk

01:41:18.440 is a literal machine

01:41:19.660 built by the deep state

01:41:20.620 as an actual robot

01:41:21.700 to control the minds of people

01:41:23.400 and that turning point

01:41:24.880 has betrayed

01:41:26.080 Charlie's behind it

01:41:26.860 and the Zionists

01:41:27.780 invaded Venezuela

01:41:28.460 they're going to look at you

01:41:29.620 like you are fucking retarded

01:41:31.160 and you will earn

01:41:32.260 not a single vote

01:41:32.920 and I'll tell you

01:41:33.520 there are a number of people

01:41:34.340 who believe that it's crazy

01:41:35.260 you mentioned CBS News

01:41:37.040 and so I did something

01:41:37.900 with the Free Press

01:41:38.640 a month ago

01:41:39.240 that just got published

01:41:40.200 where we talked to Mandani voters

01:41:41.920 in the street

01:41:42.420 in Washington Square Park

01:41:43.360 and I'm from Venezuela Socialism

01:41:44.480 so these kids

01:41:45.260 ends up telling me

01:41:46.220 at the end of the conversation

01:41:47.160 unprompted

01:41:47.920 oh well but you know

01:41:49.180 the Jews control everything anyway

01:41:50.640 and so what do we have now

01:41:51.920 there was a repulsion

01:41:54.680 towards woke

01:41:55.760 bud light effect

01:41:57.000 target

01:41:57.600 these companies

01:41:58.140 lost massive amounts of money

01:41:59.180 and the corporate press

01:42:00.740 largely attacked Donald Trump

01:42:02.360 for years

01:42:02.760 damaging their credibility

01:42:03.820 I talk about the time

01:42:05.760 when I stopped watching CNN

01:42:06.720 I used to watch CNN 24-7

01:42:07.960 it was always on

01:42:08.800 because if news broke

01:42:10.220 CNN would have it

01:42:11.060 this is true

01:42:11.660 in 2018

01:42:12.700 I had a projector

01:42:13.740 I thought you were just to live

01:42:14.460 10 feet

01:42:14.620 this is true

01:42:15.240 no it's not

01:42:16.540 a story would break

01:42:17.940 and CNN would be like

01:42:18.440 breaking news

01:42:19.040 there's an earthquake

01:42:19.620 in Southern California

01:42:20.940 and I'd be like wow

01:42:21.460 one day

01:42:22.360 I saw online

01:42:23.440 if there were riots in Iran

01:42:24.500 and I said whoa

01:42:25.520 and I looked up at the screen

01:42:26.860 and they were talking about Trump

01:42:27.740 it was a midday panel

01:42:28.800 about Trump

01:42:29.320 and I said

01:42:29.840 well I gotta find this story

01:42:31.340 so guess what

01:42:32.000 I flipped to the news

01:42:32.800 Fox News talking about Iran

01:42:34.660 so I left it on

01:42:35.340 after the story was over

01:42:36.600 I went back to CNN

01:42:37.500 went back to my computer

01:42:38.360 then a few days later

01:42:40.380 there was a hurricane

01:42:41.460 a big story about a hurricane

01:42:42.440 or something

01:42:42.860 and I look up

01:42:44.160 at this projector screen

01:42:45.260 panel talking about Trump

01:42:47.040 and so I waited for a minute

01:42:48.520 and said okay

01:42:48.940 I need to figure out

01:42:49.620 what's going on

01:42:50.020 so I turned on Fox News

01:42:50.780 talking about the hurricane

01:42:51.880 and then I posted a video

01:42:53.100 on Instagram

01:42:53.420 and said let's play

01:42:54.100 the CNN challenge

01:42:54.980 at any given moment

01:42:56.020 if there's breaking news

01:42:57.320 will CNN be talking

01:42:58.320 about the news or Trump

01:42:59.180 and I switched between the two

01:43:00.400 and I said

01:43:00.660 I will never watch CNN again

01:43:01.760 the efforts here

01:43:03.280 by the establishment

01:43:04.300 was to create the perception

01:43:06.180 that Trump was bad

01:43:06.780 but they didn't realize

01:43:07.880 it was a Chinese finger trap problem

01:43:09.340 the harder they pulled out

01:43:11.060 the tighter the trap became

01:43:12.160 they destroyed their credibility

01:43:13.580 freaked people out

01:43:14.800 and pushed people to Trump

01:43:16.240 they finally figured it out

01:43:17.900 censorship does not work

01:43:19.920 and embracing wackaloon bullshit

01:43:21.980 doesn't work either

01:43:22.740 we need to make them

01:43:24.720 the wackaloons

01:43:25.460 and us the reasonable ones

01:43:26.980 so now what do you have

01:43:28.000 Barry Weiss leaves

01:43:29.300 the New York Times

01:43:30.020 launches a news organization

01:43:31.460 it's anti-woke

01:43:32.480 it's reasonable

01:43:33.260 and she's very pro

01:43:34.840 she's over at Zionist

01:43:36.520 they then give her

01:43:38.040 150 million dollars

01:43:39.280 which is an insane purchase

01:43:41.140 for her organization

01:43:41.920 to put her in charge of CBS

01:43:43.640 where she has begun

01:43:45.040 to weed out the activism

01:43:46.260 which I'm a huge fan of

01:43:47.720 she's done a fantastic job

01:43:48.960 I agree

01:43:49.300 now you have someone

01:43:50.900 finally giving us real news

01:43:53.440 at a corporate news outlet

01:43:54.500 and we're all going to praise it

01:43:55.740 Elon's going to praise it

01:43:56.860 I'm going to praise it

01:43:57.860 and it's all coming from a Zionist

01:43:59.680 who's being reasonable

01:44:00.800 all I saw was the Erica Kirk town hall

01:44:03.260 that was being like

01:44:03.980 shoved down my throat

01:44:05.040 even though I'm like

01:44:05.720 why is this being

01:44:06.880 shoved down my throat

01:44:07.960 this is not even like

01:44:09.160 the top 100 thing

01:44:11.100 like most important things

01:44:12.280 that happened this week

01:44:13.100 so I'm talking specifically about

01:44:13.120 CBS News ran an article

01:44:14.860 about the Somali daycare fraud

01:44:16.120 where they mentioned

01:44:16.740 that Merrick Garland

01:44:17.840 the Biden DOJ

01:44:18.860 prosecuted and convicted

01:44:20.080 62 individuals in Minnesota

01:44:22.000 and I said wow

01:44:23.300 I pull up CNN

01:44:24.220 what do they say

01:44:24.920 Minnesota said

01:44:26.240 Minnesota investigators say

01:44:27.300 daycares are running

01:44:28.140 legitimately

01:44:28.660 and I'm like

01:44:29.680 sure I'm sure they're saying that

01:44:31.180 but CBS runs a story

01:44:32.940 that says

01:44:33.360 here's what we know

01:44:33.960 about the fraud

01:44:34.480 they say Nick Shirley

01:44:35.440 published a video

01:44:36.200 Biden had prosecuted

01:44:37.280 these individuals

01:44:37.860 here's the details

01:44:38.940 of the prosecutions

01:44:39.680 it was very boring

01:44:40.540 neutral and straightforward

01:44:41.460 here's what happened

01:44:42.160 CNN's doing that

01:44:43.580 we're on one side

01:44:44.540 of this thing

01:44:44.960 so I ignore CNN

01:44:46.440 but the cherry on top

01:44:47.940 the final point is

01:44:48.780 a circumstance

01:44:49.900 has been created

01:44:50.640 by a corporation

01:44:52.160 where people like me

01:44:54.020 are going to be happy

01:44:55.380 to once again

01:44:56.220 read the corporate press

01:44:57.260 run by a proud Zionist

01:44:59.260 at the same time

01:45:00.080 Candace Owens

01:45:00.580 sounds like a retard

01:45:01.460 and she's blaming Zionists

01:45:02.660 for literally everything

01:45:03.400 so the middle of the road

01:45:04.820 people that sway

01:45:05.760 these elections

01:45:06.260 are now going to say

01:45:07.000 Candace is nuts

01:45:07.760 and sounds like she's crazy

01:45:09.160 and Barry Weiss the Zionist

01:45:10.380 sounds reasonable

01:45:11.000 and acceptable

01:45:11.480 what did you think

01:45:12.360 of her decision

01:45:12.940 to not run that

01:45:13.880 60 minutes episode

01:45:15.180 on Seacott

01:45:15.740 it's exactly

01:45:16.440 what I'm talking about

01:45:17.240 it was beautiful

01:45:18.120 I mean they are

01:45:18.900 they're going to run

01:45:19.880 and they're just

01:45:20.300 modifying it

01:45:21.240 I thought the reason

01:45:22.080 made no sense to me

01:45:23.400 because she said

01:45:24.140 well we didn't get

01:45:25.020 we reached out to the White House

01:45:26.400 and we didn't hear from them

01:45:27.460 so we felt like

01:45:28.320 we can't give

01:45:29.080 a complete story

01:45:30.340 without them

01:45:30.960 but I think

01:45:31.380 they can obviously

01:45:32.340 run a story

01:45:32.860 if the White House

01:45:34.100 declines the comment

01:45:34.640 the story was that

01:45:35.360 they did receive a response

01:45:36.740 from Seacott and the White House

01:45:37.900 and the editors chose

01:45:38.640 to omit it

01:45:39.300 she also further

01:45:40.340 criticized them

01:45:41.120 for rehashing

01:45:42.060 old talking points

01:45:43.040 that weren't relevant

01:45:43.660 to the current developments

01:45:44.520 on Seacott

01:45:45.000 and it's a very neutral

01:45:46.620 thing to do

01:45:47.120 for a news organization

01:45:47.720 to say guys

01:45:48.320 this story

01:45:49.660 you're putting in

01:45:50.320 large chunks of it

01:45:51.020 already reported

01:45:52.200 so why are you including it

01:45:53.480 and we've got a statement

01:45:54.600 over here

01:45:54.960 that you can include

01:45:55.620 I don't understand

01:45:56.060 why you're not doing it

01:45:56.720 and they freaked out

01:45:58.060 because they're activists

01:45:59.280 when Tony Dokopal

01:46:00.780 Dokopal

01:46:01.640 how he pronounce his name

01:46:02.240 ran a story saying

01:46:03.840 on the anniversary

01:46:04.700 of January 6

01:46:05.640 Donald Trump claims

01:46:06.420 the Democrats

01:46:06.900 are presenting a false narrative

01:46:07.960 on what actually went down

01:46:09.000 well

01:46:09.220 Hakeem Jeffries says

01:46:10.320 that Trump is trying

01:46:10.900 to rewrite history

01:46:11.640 end of story

01:46:12.320 they said that he was

01:46:13.380 both sides in the issue

01:46:14.440 and I'm like

01:46:14.640 no he just did

01:46:15.020 it's normal news report

01:46:16.100 Trump said this

01:46:16.940 they said this

01:46:17.560 more at 11

01:46:18.180 and they're attacking him

01:46:19.460 as if he's the activist

01:46:20.500 so I think

01:46:21.540 Barry West has done

01:46:22.400 a beautiful job

01:46:23.120 but more importantly

01:46:24.200 to break it all down

01:46:25.200 the real point of this

01:46:25.920 is not to debate

01:46:26.420 the minutiae

01:46:27.600 of what T-Base is doing

01:46:28.420 but that my view

01:46:29.600 of what they're doing

01:46:30.260 is it's a coordinated effort

01:46:31.980 to make people

01:46:33.780 who hate Israel

01:46:34.460 look like retards

01:46:35.280 and to be honest

01:46:35.920 a lot of them do

01:46:36.560 look like retards

01:46:37.240 they generally are

01:46:38.080 and to pull

01:46:39.000 the middle of the road

01:46:39.660 people who feel

01:46:40.380 the media betrayed them

01:46:41.200 back into the fold

01:46:42.360 of supporting

01:46:42.880 the American foreign

01:46:43.520 policy machine

01:46:44.140 very interesting

01:46:45.760 that's what I do

01:46:47.600 I like Barry Weiss

01:46:50.100 and I think that

01:46:51.220 she's doing great

01:46:53.100 we should give her

01:46:53.720 time to try to fix things

01:46:55.280 that you're saying

01:46:55.940 it's already fixed

01:46:56.580 but it takes time

01:46:57.600 there's a lot of

01:46:58.120 institutional issues there

01:47:00.120 I've been reading

01:47:00.840 I've been pulling up

01:47:01.900 CBS news articles

01:47:02.700 impressed

01:47:03.380 that they're actually

01:47:04.640 reporting the news

01:47:06.320 and I'm glad

01:47:07.540 they hired Barry Weiss

01:47:08.480 while I can point out

01:47:09.940 I think there's

01:47:10.640 a strategy behind

01:47:12.040 everything they're doing

01:47:13.040 some might view this

01:47:14.080 as malicious

01:47:14.480 I'm not saying

01:47:15.180 it's good or bad

01:47:15.840 that they're doing this

01:47:16.360 I'm saying

01:47:16.640 it's what appears

01:47:17.640 to be what they're doing

01:47:18.980 and by they I mean

01:47:20.220 powerful politicians

01:47:21.800 corporate interests

01:47:22.760 I think YouTube

01:47:23.860 is intentionally putting

01:47:24.680 Candace Owens

01:47:25.140 on the front page

01:47:25.900 what I mean by front page

01:47:27.080 is new users

01:47:28.620 who don't follow politics

01:47:29.480 are being recommended

01:47:30.120 Candace Owens

01:47:30.740 because they're

01:47:31.880 trying to tell

01:47:33.580 conservatives

01:47:34.300 it's a brilliant strategy

01:47:36.000 there are a lot of people

01:47:37.200 who are conservative

01:47:37.900 who are actually only

01:47:38.760 espousing these opinions

01:47:39.480 because they get views

01:47:40.320 and they make money

01:47:40.900 we saw this

01:47:42.020 with the emergence

01:47:43.360 of the white nationalists

01:47:44.420 on YouTube years ago

01:47:45.540 but they got banned

01:47:46.200 it didn't get rid

01:47:47.000 of their movement

01:47:47.540 Nick Fuentes

01:47:47.920 is just more popular

01:47:48.660 but if you can convince

01:47:51.120 people who are chasing

01:47:52.040 an algorithm

01:47:52.580 that sounding like

01:47:53.800 Candace Owens

01:47:54.400 is the way you should

01:47:55.260 bring your career

01:47:55.900 in five years

01:47:57.100 these people will not

01:47:57.820 have careers anymore

01:47:58.480 I guarantee you

01:47:59.180 because they sound

01:48:00.020 like retards

01:48:00.640 their views

01:48:01.720 are being propped up

01:48:02.840 by recommendations

01:48:03.520 that won't exist

01:48:04.480 and there's some

01:48:06.080 individuals that I know

01:48:06.640 that are friends of mine

01:48:07.340 that have shifted

01:48:08.140 their narrative

01:48:08.700 from powerful

01:48:10.280 corporate elites

01:48:11.120 and governments

01:48:11.740 are manipulating us

01:48:12.760 and stealing our money

01:48:13.940 like big corporations

01:48:14.920 and they're not

01:48:15.800 paying their taxes

01:48:16.360 to now

01:48:16.940 it's actually

01:48:17.600 the whole time

01:48:18.000 it was the Jews

01:48:18.520 and I'm like

01:48:19.060 well it's not

01:48:20.360 and you're wrong

01:48:21.120 the Somali daycare owners

01:48:22.920 you mentioned

01:48:24.260 that CBS

01:48:24.720 is getting better

01:48:25.260 I did not find

01:48:26.140 this story

01:48:26.540 on CBS

01:48:27.920 or anywhere really

01:48:29.080 except Fox News

01:48:29.960 which is Jim O'Neill

01:48:31.380 and I mentioned

01:48:32.080 this before the show

01:48:32.920 that I think

01:48:34.020 he's deputy secretary

01:48:34.880 of HHS

01:48:35.660 that he confirmed

01:48:37.980 that the Somali

01:48:39.100 UN permanent representative

01:48:40.960 his name is

01:48:42.760 Aboukar Dahir Osman

01:48:44.680 has ties

01:48:46.220 he's listed

01:48:46.880 for progressive

01:48:47.960 healthcare services

01:48:48.980 in Cincinnati

01:48:49.700 which is one

01:48:51.020 of the fraudulent

01:48:51.960 daycares

01:48:52.700 and it gets better

01:48:54.040 because this is

01:48:55.020 the president

01:48:55.500 of the UN Security Council

01:48:56.700 right now

01:48:57.240 who was calling

01:48:57.840 a meeting

01:48:58.280 to condemn

01:48:58.820 President Trump

01:48:59.480 for arresting Maduro

01:49:00.600 so we have

01:49:01.820 the immigration story

01:49:03.540 in Minneapolis

01:49:04.800 the daycares

01:49:05.560 you know

01:49:05.740 that's why

01:49:06.060 we have the riots

01:49:06.720 that's why

01:49:07.060 this person died

01:49:07.980 we have the Somali

01:49:09.140 daycare itself

01:49:10.180 the fraud

01:49:10.680 we have the UN

01:49:11.520 we have Venezuela

01:49:12.640 all connected

01:49:13.460 and I think

01:49:15.140 it speaks to the

01:49:16.280 to the idea

01:49:17.220 there is

01:49:18.080 oh no no

01:49:18.660 I just found this

01:49:19.060 on CBS

01:49:19.340 U.S. sees his

01:49:20.260 fifth oil tanker

01:49:20.940 wow

01:49:21.100 oh yes

01:49:21.580 and they're

01:49:22.140 publishing the videos

01:49:22.860 which I find

01:49:23.400 really badass

01:49:24.340 I will say this

01:49:24.920 as an aside

01:49:25.280 on the Venezuela thing

01:49:26.060 people need to

01:49:27.320 understand

01:49:27.680 that in 2006

01:49:28.800 Chavez stole

01:49:30.300 American oil

01:49:31.100 infrastructure

01:49:31.620 to the tune

01:49:31.980 of billions

01:49:32.460 of dollars

01:49:32.820 my family's gas station

01:49:33.940 actually was

01:49:34.500 a British petroleum

01:49:35.260 gas station

01:49:36.020 and they seized

01:49:36.940 I don't mean

01:49:38.080 even like

01:49:38.560 the gas stations

01:49:39.160 for sure

01:49:39.820 but there was

01:49:40.860 oil refineries

01:49:42.240 wells

01:49:42.820 yes

01:49:43.320 and these were

01:49:43.900 owned

01:49:44.460 by American oil

01:49:45.880 interests

01:49:46.320 through a legitimate

01:49:47.160 agreement

01:49:47.720 and Chavez said

01:49:48.460 it's mine now

01:49:49.320 that's right

01:49:49.740 and not just oil

01:49:50.760 not just oil

01:49:51.300 mining

01:49:51.900 car manufacturers

01:49:54.120 like everything

01:49:54.700 you can imagine

01:49:55.320 was seized

01:49:55.900 I think

01:49:56.520 people need to

01:49:57.180 understand that

01:49:57.900 after we had

01:49:59.200 billions of dollars

01:49:59.920 of infrastructure

01:50:00.400 seized by the

01:50:01.140 Venezuelan government

01:50:01.820 the U.S. did not

01:50:02.860 engage in

01:50:03.540 kinetic retaliation

01:50:04.620 we largely just said

01:50:06.300 man you mother

01:50:07.100 and then for 20 years

01:50:08.900 sat back as they

01:50:10.040 utilized our investment

01:50:11.200 and destroyed it really

01:50:12.080 well but yes

01:50:13.280 it's been destroyed

01:50:14.180 that's mismanagement

01:50:15.020 yeah well

01:50:15.760 that's what happens

01:50:16.600 because the government

01:50:17.500 doesn't have the incentive

01:50:18.360 to make profit

01:50:19.000 only to win elections

01:50:20.060 right

01:50:20.480 so they give everything

01:50:21.200 for free

01:50:21.620 they didn't do maintenance

01:50:22.580 the refiners

01:50:23.280 that you talk about

01:50:23.900 exploded

01:50:24.420 you should look them up

01:50:25.460 it's called

01:50:25.700 el palito

01:50:26.320 I know

01:50:26.660 but they didn't want

01:50:27.320 them to

01:50:27.760 they didn't want

01:50:28.420 them to

01:50:28.760 they didn't want

01:50:29.560 them to

01:50:29.800 of course

01:50:30.140 it's bad

01:50:30.480 for them too

01:50:31.040 I think

01:50:32.080 I think my prediction

01:50:33.020 for the next

01:50:33.660 few years

01:50:35.240 based on everything

01:50:35.660 we're seeing

01:50:36.080 is that the right

01:50:36.920 the retard right

01:50:38.960 is going to

01:50:40.020 fizzle out

01:50:40.500 and burn out

01:50:40.980 these are the people

01:50:41.960 who think the Jews

01:50:42.640 are responsible

01:50:43.080 for everything

01:50:43.580 because that world view

01:50:45.700 can't do anything

01:50:47.520 right

01:50:47.900 if you genuinely believe

01:50:49.240 the Jews control everything

01:50:50.420 what is your mission

01:50:52.460 to better this country

01:50:53.320 quite literally

01:50:53.900 there isn't one

01:50:54.800 well it gets very dark

01:50:56.000 you're not going to invade

01:50:56.340 and it doesn't stop

01:50:58.000 with the Jews

01:50:58.540 it always goes to

01:50:59.840 then western civilization

01:51:01.040 like what Tucker Carlson

01:51:02.300 is doing

01:51:02.540 he starts with the Jews

01:51:03.260 but then now he has

01:51:04.220 a place in Qatar

01:51:04.860 now he's saying

01:51:05.580 that we should all

01:51:07.260 oh he actually said

01:51:08.380 that there's never been

01:51:09.660 anyone

01:51:10.080 any American killed

01:51:11.060 by Islamic terrorists

01:51:13.420 since 9-11

01:51:14.660 he said

01:51:15.080 and he had a

01:51:16.440 daily caller person

01:51:17.660 who got beheaded

01:51:18.540 by ISIS

01:51:19.300 who he found

01:51:20.280 a daily caller

01:51:21.020 right

01:51:21.680 how about the people

01:51:23.000 of the Pulse nightclub

01:51:24.400 in Orland

01:51:25.040 or San Bernardino

01:51:26.260 California

01:51:26.740 so yeah

01:51:28.300 I do think

01:51:28.800 I wonder where

01:51:29.580 that eventually leads

01:51:30.820 but listen

01:51:31.540 listen

01:51:32.100 like it is so absurd

01:51:33.800 to say

01:51:34.220 I've not seen Tucker

01:51:35.360 but on the surface

01:51:36.620 presuming he has said that

01:51:38.240 so I'm not trying to

01:51:39.440 he did

01:51:40.320 that's insane

01:51:42.420 it's insane

01:51:43.000 when you go to a

01:51:43.640 go to any random

01:51:45.220 liberal or conservative

01:51:46.200 and say that to them

01:51:46.900 they're gonna be like

01:51:47.180 that's retarded

01:51:47.640 so my point is this

01:51:49.160 if you want to win an election

01:51:50.900 I need to go out

01:51:52.680 you know

01:51:53.480 find a random person

01:51:54.680 and ask them

01:51:55.260 what do you need to do

01:51:56.660 to get them to vote

01:51:57.180 your direction

01:51:57.700 they're gonna say

01:51:58.420 make my rent lower

01:52:00.000 get me milk

01:52:00.820 bread and eggs

01:52:01.280 that's why Mamdani won

01:52:02.260 exactly

01:52:03.020 Mamdani is an evil

01:52:05.160 activist

01:52:05.920 who wants to

01:52:06.980 destroy the police

01:52:07.760 I mean he has really

01:52:09.160 bad intentions

01:52:09.760 I actually don't buy

01:52:10.680 the whole thing

01:52:11.160 good intentions for him

01:52:12.140 but he was a very good

01:52:13.600 campaigner

01:52:14.380 on it

01:52:15.360 and now we're gonna

01:52:16.320 see him

01:52:16.740 what did he do

01:52:17.320 when Maduro got arrested

01:52:18.340 oh this is a violation

01:52:20.020 of international law

01:52:20.920 an act of war

01:52:21.640 the same dude

01:52:22.640 who wants to arrest

01:52:23.420 Netanyahu

01:52:24.020 so what are you talking

01:52:25.560 so you want war

01:52:26.360 with Israel

01:52:26.840 I'm guessing

01:52:27.380 then it's okay

01:52:29.000 let's just say this

01:52:29.760 what policy position

01:52:31.540 can you make

01:52:32.240 to benefit the life

01:52:33.620 of the swing voter

01:52:34.500 by blaming Israel

01:52:36.960 for all of their problems

01:52:37.920 no no no

01:52:39.460 it's not a rhetorical question

01:52:40.820 no

01:52:41.060 if I were to believe

01:52:42.860 that Israel

01:52:43.580 was actually

01:52:44.220 secretly controlling

01:52:44.920 everything

01:52:45.300 and was the root

01:52:46.380 of all of our problems

01:52:47.220 what would I say

01:52:48.920 to a person

01:52:49.320 walking down the street

01:52:50.040 to vote for me

01:52:50.600 would I say

01:52:51.460 trust me

01:52:52.040 I am going to

01:52:53.280 cut off

01:52:54.160 they say they're gonna

01:52:54.800 cut off foreign aid

01:52:55.780 which is penis

01:52:56.660 now if you want to

01:52:57.340 cut off all foreign aid

01:52:58.560 I think that's fine

01:52:59.620 that's a principled argument

01:53:00.580 I think it may be

01:53:01.240 one of yours

01:53:01.840 that's fine

01:53:02.200 I agree with it yes

01:53:02.680 that's principled

01:53:03.280 no one's gonna vote for you

01:53:04.880 but to say you're gonna

01:53:06.160 just cut off Israel

01:53:07.260 3.8 billion

01:53:08.220 but not everyone else

01:53:09.480 who gets billions

01:53:10.180 even more than that

01:53:11.060 wait isn't the pitch

01:53:11.900 for this

01:53:12.500 to like

01:53:13.000 you know

01:53:13.740 to get the swing voter

01:53:14.800 concerned about Israel

01:53:15.860 the whole thing

01:53:16.420 is that like

01:53:16.960 the Zog meme

01:53:17.780 or whatever

01:53:18.180 the Zionist occupied government

01:53:19.380 so what they say

01:53:20.080 is like

01:53:20.380 the reason why

01:53:20.900 there's an affordability crisis

01:53:22.020 in all of this

01:53:22.700 is because Zionists

01:53:23.680 occupy the government

01:53:24.460 and so if I come in

01:53:26.020 then I'm going to

01:53:27.260 eliminate those forces

01:53:28.220 from within the government

01:53:29.040 and then all of a sudden

01:53:29.780 everything's gonna be

01:53:30.620 hunky dory for you

01:53:31.940 and that's what you would have

01:53:33.100 so that is your world view

01:53:36.520 that's right

01:53:37.180 that's your pitch

01:53:38.160 to the swing voter

01:53:38.840 and their response

01:53:39.620 is going to be

01:53:40.300 what?

01:53:42.060 no that is

01:53:42.540 increasingly more and more people

01:53:44.160 because more and more people

01:53:45.260 are like flocking

01:53:46.020 towards Candace Owens

01:53:46.820 towards Nick Fuentes

01:53:47.620 and Nick Fuentes

01:53:48.240 and Candace Owens

01:53:49.060 well and the schools

01:53:50.040 are not

01:53:50.440 YouTube wants clicks

01:53:51.940 so I don't think

01:53:52.720 I mean I know people

01:53:54.120 within YouTube

01:53:54.600 obviously have political biases

01:53:55.860 MrBeast gets clicks

01:53:56.440 and the reason why

01:53:57.980 is because YouTube

01:53:58.600 makes him default

01:53:59.660 for new users

01:54:01.260 and for

01:54:02.040 so the algorithm

01:54:03.120 tries to find

01:54:03.920 what you're going to watch

01:54:05.140 the other day on X

01:54:06.720 and I got questions

01:54:07.520 about Elon on this one

01:54:08.400 in my feed

01:54:10.100 actually let me

01:54:11.120 let me just pull this up

01:54:12.300 because I want to show everybody

01:54:13.540 and prove it

01:54:14.920 so I'm gonna pull up the image

01:54:17.240 I got a post from Candace Owens

01:54:19.060 I don't follow Candace Owens

01:54:21.140 and so I screenshot it

01:54:22.660 saying this is really weird

01:54:24.580 that X is putting her

01:54:26.100 in my page

01:54:26.840 when I don't follow her

01:54:28.420 maybe a lot of people

01:54:29.320 you follow are interacting

01:54:30.300 with the post

01:54:31.020 look

01:54:31.360 I get people

01:54:32.380 this is my following feed

01:54:33.540 that I don't follow

01:54:34.040 all the time

01:54:34.380 this is a post from Candace Owens

01:54:36.060 that is not a retweet

01:54:38.080 nor is anyone responding

01:54:39.660 did she pay for an app

01:54:40.720 and no

01:54:41.380 it would say promoted

01:54:42.360 and it would say retweeted

01:54:43.880 and there would be a comment

01:54:44.920 and I do not follow her

01:54:46.480 X put her in my following feed

01:54:49.500 even though I don't follow her

01:54:51.040 and so this is why

01:54:52.220 I don't just blindly say

01:54:53.860 they are actively pushing

01:54:55.340 her world view

01:54:56.080 and again

01:54:56.920 I agree more and more

01:54:59.040 people are adopting

01:54:59.460 this world view

01:55:00.000 but it's not swing voters

01:55:01.160 it's people targeted

01:55:02.920 by YouTube

01:55:03.440 right now it's not swing voters

01:55:05.260 but I think increasingly

01:55:06.260 as that becomes

01:55:07.700 a bigger faction

01:55:08.380 within the right

01:55:09.500 the Republican Party

01:55:10.600 they're going to start

01:55:11.620 coming for swing voters

01:55:12.740 absolutely not

01:55:13.740 yeah of course

01:55:14.720 they're going to want

01:55:15.180 to increase their vote share

01:55:16.220 there's not going to be

01:55:17.520 ever a swing population

01:55:18.960 where Israel is the

01:55:19.880 principal issue

01:55:20.360 it's just not going to happen

01:55:21.320 I don't think Israel

01:55:21.940 is going to be the

01:55:22.340 principal issue

01:55:23.020 but I think it's going to be

01:55:24.080 more of the kind of

01:55:24.880 America first isolationism

01:55:26.300 that they're talking about

01:55:27.620 that's an esoteric faction

01:55:28.980 and they're going to

01:55:29.560 contrast themselves

01:55:30.360 against what Trump

01:55:31.000 is doing now

01:55:31.540 because Trump

01:55:32.060 with his FIFA

01:55:32.780 Peace Prize award

01:55:34.040 I completely agree with you

01:55:34.860 not going to start

01:55:35.320 any new wars

01:55:36.060 I completely agree with you

01:55:37.020 there's the Argentina bailouts

01:55:38.780 there's Israel-Iran

01:55:40.040 there's the Venezuela invasion

01:55:41.360 I gotta make this point

01:55:43.980 you are correct

01:55:45.140 just intervention is my point

01:55:46.600 and then they're going to

01:55:47.120 contrast themselves

01:55:47.720 and be like

01:55:48.220 no I'm going to be

01:55:48.780 the actual anti-war candidate

01:55:49.960 which is why Tulsi

01:55:51.140 and J.D. Vance

01:55:52.140 have been pretty quiet

01:55:53.280 on the Venezuela stuff

01:55:54.320 now let's flesh this out

01:55:55.920 let's flesh this out

01:55:56.600 what you were describing is

01:55:58.500 the right conservatives

01:56:00.480 adopting a new worldview

01:56:01.720 not middle of the road

01:56:02.800 people who don't pay attention

01:56:03.720 you have to actively choose

01:56:05.620 to watch political news

01:56:06.880 in order to adopt

01:56:07.900 this worldview

01:56:08.400 but if you go to Times Square

01:56:10.280 if you go to

01:56:12.000 you know

01:56:13.340 Orlando

01:56:14.060 or like

01:56:15.000 Studio City

01:56:15.820 if you go to LA

01:56:16.520 go to Hollywood

01:56:17.100 most people are going to say

01:56:19.320 I don't know where Israel is

01:56:21.600 no I don't think you do

01:56:22.580 because Candace Owens

01:56:23.560 is appealing to normies

01:56:24.940 Candace Owens

01:56:25.780 at this point

01:56:26.300 sounds like a targeted individual

01:56:27.580 she literally sounds like a woman

01:56:29.080 who if YouTube didn't exist

01:56:30.320 she would be screaming at traffic

01:56:31.360 in my opinion

01:56:31.960 and this is like

01:56:32.880 YouTube is choosing

01:56:33.920 who watches her

01:56:34.720 this is being fed out

01:56:35.380 to normal people

01:56:36.180 that are going to become radicalized

01:56:37.400 just by watching her

01:56:37.900 I will bet you

01:56:38.840 a thousand dollars

01:56:39.800 that if we walk down the street

01:56:41.760 and ask people

01:56:42.440 what their biggest issue

01:56:43.180 is Israel

01:56:43.640 ain't going to be one of them

01:56:44.360 no I don't think

01:56:45.520 it's going to be like

01:56:46.440 it's always the economy

01:56:47.680 but I also think

01:56:48.340 there's like a tension

01:56:49.260 between what voters state

01:56:50.720 is their top 10 priorities

01:56:52.520 versus what actually

01:56:53.380 motivates them

01:56:54.120 subconsciously

01:56:54.840 I want to clarify

01:56:55.540 I think

01:56:55.920 what you're missing on this

01:56:57.520 is swing voters

01:56:58.780 are not involved

01:56:59.900 in any of this conversation

01:57:01.040 so when you go to Ohio

01:57:02.600 and you see some dude

01:57:03.540 like

01:57:03.940 and he works for

01:57:04.520 he's a garbage man

01:57:05.720 he's going to be like

01:57:06.820 I don't watch politics at all

01:57:08.080 at all

01:57:08.920 so there's no Candace Owens

01:57:10.100 he'll say

01:57:10.320 I don't know who that is

01:57:11.140 that's the swing voter

01:57:12.740 they don't watch that

01:57:12.900 but then they don't even

01:57:13.640 think of it as political

01:57:14.600 no my point is

01:57:15.860 you're describing

01:57:17.160 political factions

01:57:18.340 swing voters

01:57:19.460 tend to be

01:57:20.420 nothing

01:57:20.940 like

01:57:22.100 I said

01:57:23.160 every story

01:57:24.080 whenever I talk about

01:57:25.440 like

01:57:26.360 whenever I have a story

01:57:27.560 about talking to someone

01:57:28.160 it's always a poker table

01:57:29.100 so

01:57:30.140 you play poker?

01:57:31.160 I play it all the time

01:57:31.860 and so

01:57:32.820 when you go to a poker table

01:57:34.060 you've got

01:57:34.600 either it's nine

01:57:35.340 nine players or eight

01:57:36.300 so there's seven people around me

01:57:38.020 everybody's talking

01:57:39.340 and I would say

01:57:40.580 80% of the time

01:57:41.740 people go

01:57:42.260 I literally don't watch news

01:57:43.460 and I'll say

01:57:44.440 do you know who this person is?

01:57:45.740 no

01:57:45.940 what about this person?

01:57:46.700 no

01:57:46.900 they'll say things like

01:57:48.440 I was literally just playing out here

01:57:50.520 at One Eyed Jack's card room

01:57:52.500 it's beautiful

01:57:53.000 and literally a guy next to me

01:57:54.660 it's like two days

01:57:56.100 after Maduro is captured

01:57:57.280 it's the biggest story in the world

01:57:59.120 and he goes

01:57:59.760 who's Maduro?

01:58:00.820 of course

01:58:01.460 that guy is not voting based on Israel

01:58:03.340 that guy's voting because his rent went up

01:58:06.140 I don't think that like Venezuela is any American

01:58:08.400 certainly not the swing voters top issue

01:58:10.240 of course not

01:58:10.700 but they can

01:58:11.740 when you poll people

01:58:12.600 they might support him

01:58:13.180 but he didn't know who Maduro was

01:58:14.080 that's the point

01:58:14.980 he's like who's that?

01:58:15.860 that's because his mind focused on how many outs there are on the table

01:58:18.460 no he barely understood poker

01:58:19.980 if I go to someone and say

01:58:21.780 do you know who Benjamin Netanyahu is

01:58:23.120 they're going to say no

01:58:23.860 I'll say

01:58:24.860 Tim

01:58:25.360 that's actually the more reason

01:58:27.220 to pursue the right policy

01:58:29.780 rather than the popular policy

01:58:31.620 given that most people are uninformed

01:58:33.620 you want to do things

01:58:34.520 that are going to improve their lives

01:58:35.880 I agree

01:58:36.260 and so what improves their lives?

01:58:38.460 things that lower their cost of living

01:58:39.600 for example

01:58:40.120 increasing all production

01:58:41.500 for example

01:58:43.580 you mentioned the Argentina bailout

01:58:45.340 that's like a left talking point

01:58:47.640 to smear Trump

01:58:48.560 on something that was super successful

01:58:50.080 to stop communists

01:58:50.920 from taking over Argentina

01:58:51.800 at no cost to us

01:58:52.560 regardless of whether or not it's successful

01:58:54.100 if he positions himself

01:58:55.160 as kind of the anti-war

01:58:56.420 anti-intervention president

01:58:57.580 and there's been no war

01:58:58.740 and his pursuer interests

01:59:00.300 no one wants all these wars

01:59:01.880 people are uninformed

01:59:02.580 so they kind of see this stuff

01:59:03.940 and they see it as like

01:59:04.860 a fog of war

01:59:05.160 his highest approval rating

01:59:06.340 is on foreign policy

01:59:07.360 that's true

01:59:08.080 what's stacking him

01:59:08.720 what's stacking him

01:59:09.460 is the economy

01:59:10.060 his approval rating

01:59:10.780 is above Obama's and Bush's

01:59:12.760 for the same time period

01:59:13.620 it is ironic

01:59:14.420 that's true

01:59:14.880 America first

01:59:15.580 but his best ratings

01:59:16.660 are his foreign interventions

01:59:18.040 in fact

01:59:18.580 because they're America first interventions

01:59:21.000 well but if you look at the polling

01:59:22.040 when you ask people

01:59:22.920 should we go and remove Maduro

01:59:24.680 it was overwhelming

01:59:25.380 no do not invade

01:59:26.640 and now it's the opposite

01:59:27.720 because everyone

01:59:28.360 everyone likes to win

01:59:29.760 because the military

01:59:31.120 is just the best in the world

01:59:32.320 so I tweeted

01:59:34.400 and I think that the reaction

01:59:35.680 of Venezuelans

01:59:36.360 is actually helping

01:59:37.200 of owning the libs

01:59:38.080 and you have the Venezuelans

01:59:39.100 saying yes

01:59:39.700 screw socialism

01:59:40.360 and the libs saying

01:59:41.240 no we want Maduro

01:59:42.200 I'll make one last point

01:59:43.240 because we're just about out of time

01:59:44.300 but going back to the original argument

01:59:45.960 I was making about

01:59:46.720 a good portion

01:59:48.360 I'd say the majority of liberals

01:59:49.380 will say whatever

01:59:50.060 just to be aligned with a group

01:59:51.880 and not actually for something

01:59:54.060 I tweeted

01:59:55.220 after Maduro was captured

01:59:56.340 the American economy

01:59:57.620 is about to boom

01:59:58.520 because we're about to get

01:59:59.220 a whole bunch of free oil

02:00:00.280 and I get all these liberals

02:00:02.280 saying Tim Poole's a hypocrite

02:00:04.120 who now supports intervention

02:00:05.880 and then the Krasensteins

02:00:07.980 post a series of quotes from me

02:00:09.780 where I say

02:00:10.580 I oppose regime change

02:00:11.560 and intervention

02:00:12.040 and then claim

02:00:13.220 I'm a hypocrite

02:00:13.860 and I'm sitting here being like

02:00:15.220 it is a fact statement

02:00:16.740 that we are going to take

02:00:17.560 the oil from Venezuela

02:00:18.360 and it's going to boost

02:00:19.180 our economy

02:00:19.620 and it is a fact statement

02:00:20.940 that I disagree

02:00:21.560 with the intervention

02:00:22.420 but they are lying

02:00:23.840 it's all one big political game

02:00:25.940 they don't actually believe anything

02:00:27.300 they said

02:00:27.920 I can misconstrue what he's saying

02:00:29.100 to make it sound like

02:00:29.780 he supports the intervention

02:00:30.680 it is all fake

02:00:31.880 everybody's lying

02:00:33.000 the conservatives who have flipped

02:00:34.540 the retard right

02:00:35.220 are doing it

02:00:35.760 because they're either scared of dying

02:00:36.880 or they want to make money

02:00:37.680 those are my final thoughts

02:00:38.860 do you guys get any final thoughts

02:00:40.060 wait do you

02:00:40.480 you don't support it

02:00:41.460 support what

02:00:42.280 he said he was 45-55

02:00:44.180 I do not believe

02:00:45.580 the US should have gone

02:00:46.160 into Venezuela

02:00:46.500 wait really quick

02:00:47.620 do you think it was constitutional

02:00:48.900 absolutely yes

02:00:50.720 it was a law enforcement operation

02:00:52.100 it was absolutely

02:00:52.780 constitutional to do

02:00:53.700 constitutional

02:00:54.300 Dave

02:00:54.780 gray area

02:00:56.220 you can argue both ways on it

02:00:58.060 yeah sorry

02:00:58.740 just to give my final thoughts

02:01:01.020 real quick

02:01:01.700 I agree with you on that

02:01:03.560 this is a situation

02:01:05.000 where it's largely an argument

02:01:06.220 and I believe

02:01:07.480 there are very strong arguments

02:01:08.520 for it not being constitutional

02:01:10.060 but I think

02:01:11.160 based on constitutional precedent

02:01:12.980 what we have seen

02:01:14.180 in terms of

02:01:15.300 Supreme Court rulings

02:01:16.820 on what the president

02:01:17.640 is allowed to do

02:01:18.140 it would ultimately

02:01:19.540 be decided as constitutional

02:01:20.920 that being said

02:01:21.700 we shouldn't have done it

02:01:22.920 I appreciate the economic boom

02:01:25.060 I appreciate the oil

02:01:25.880 Venezuela has aggressed upon us

02:01:27.600 to a great degree

02:01:28.200 I think we are about to face

02:01:30.400 and I could be totally wrong

02:01:31.580 on this one

02:01:31.940 unintended consequences

02:01:33.600 as we often do

02:01:34.460 destabilization

02:01:35.660 and you might argue that

02:01:37.540 basically putting a stop

02:01:39.360 to our adversaries

02:01:40.260 taking from our region

02:01:41.240 and being benefited

02:01:42.380 is the greater good

02:01:43.780 I think we might actually

02:01:45.280 see instability

02:01:46.160 which causes a problem

02:01:47.260 in our own backyard

02:01:47.860 I'll say just my final thought

02:01:49.460 I think President Trump

02:01:51.000 didn't run on isolationism

02:01:53.320 he ran on America first

02:01:54.820 and that includes interventions

02:01:56.360 that are in the interest

02:01:57.300 of the United States

02:01:58.000 such as destroying

02:01:58.680 the nuclear arsenal of Iran

02:01:59.960 that he did

02:02:00.560 and didn't cause World War 3

02:02:01.780 or taking Venezuela's leader

02:02:05.380 who is a narco-terrorist

02:02:07.000 who has sent drugs to here

02:02:09.140 who has sent us

02:02:09.840 to drink their agua

02:02:10.380 who have killed Americans

02:02:11.260 who has destroyed our oil industry

02:02:13.340 hold on hold on

02:02:14.020 you're saying all those things

02:02:14.920 but there was one thing he did

02:02:16.040 that's more greets than the rest

02:02:17.160 and it's when he was addressing

02:02:18.480 a starving nation

02:02:19.320 and he pulled an empanada

02:02:20.180 out of a drawer

02:02:20.720 and took a bite

02:02:21.220 oh man I saw that one live

02:02:22.480 when I was a kid living there

02:02:23.600 no no no that's true

02:02:24.940 no no no I'm kidding

02:02:26.040 that was the worst thing he did

02:02:26.840 and Chavez used to say

02:02:28.260 being rich is bad

02:02:29.220 with a Rolex on his wrist

02:02:30.520 I mean this is how

02:02:31.400 Marxist leaders are

02:02:32.220 and so I actually think

02:02:33.380 this is going to be

02:02:34.160 very successful

02:02:35.060 I think Secretary Rubio

02:02:36.300 has done an incredible job

02:02:37.580 I mean he's going to go down

02:02:39.080 if this finishes well this year

02:02:40.820 as the best Secretary of State

02:02:42.060 in U.S. history

02:02:42.700 I really

02:02:43.800 I'm really grateful

02:02:45.140 to President Trump

02:02:45.720 for what he did in Venezuela

02:02:46.580 Do you think he'll be found guilty?

02:02:46.920 who Maduro

02:02:48.620 Maduro

02:02:48.980 oh he will be found guilty

02:02:50.400 easily

02:02:50.700 come on

02:02:51.260 first

02:02:51.520 let me say something

02:02:52.940 let me say something

02:02:53.500 the military industrial

02:02:54.540 is locking him up

02:02:55.960 he is guilty

02:02:56.800 number one

02:02:57.500 he is guilty

02:02:58.260 number two

02:02:58.900 Ron DeSantis

02:02:59.620 is very smart

02:03:00.420 he's going to put state charges

02:03:01.620 so no matter if we've got

02:03:02.960 a Marxist president

02:03:03.720 in 10 years

02:03:04.260 that wants to pardon Maduro

02:03:05.380 he's going to prison

02:03:06.280 in Florida here

02:03:07.100 and it's the Venezuelans

02:03:09.140 who are going to be the jury

02:03:10.080 I don't think the state charges

02:03:11.280 will stick

02:03:11.700 but I do think

02:03:12.220 he's found guilty

02:03:12.880 at the federal charges

02:03:13.920 my final words would be

02:03:16.640 we haven't mentioned Iran

02:03:17.960 at all here

02:03:18.680 and it's amazing

02:03:19.720 that you see the yearning

02:03:20.660 for freedom

02:03:21.120 from the Iranians

02:03:22.440 to be freed

02:03:23.040 from the Ayatollah

02:03:24.340 and this oppressive government

02:03:25.880 and to bring back

02:03:27.800 to Tucker Carlson

02:03:28.600 it's interesting

02:03:29.880 that his comments

02:03:31.420 his podcast

02:03:32.120 is being played

02:03:32.880 by the Ayatollahs

02:03:33.960 right now

02:03:34.360 oh yes

02:03:34.820 to try to

02:03:35.600 as part of

02:03:36.260 government propaganda

02:03:37.040 you know you're on

02:03:37.780 the wrong side

02:03:38.520 of present and history

02:03:40.000 when the Ayatollahs

02:03:41.060 are playing you

02:03:41.800 for propaganda

02:03:42.560 very socially conservative

02:03:44.340 haven't you heard

02:03:45.240 I don't agree with that

02:03:46.840 I think in America

02:03:48.280 there's a plethora of opinions

02:03:49.280 and there are a lot to have

02:03:49.900 and just because

02:03:50.520 somebody agrees with you

02:03:52.020 on one thing

02:03:52.540 or you agree with them

02:03:53.160 on one thing

02:03:53.360 doesn't mean that

02:03:54.220 it's intentional

02:03:54.840 it's bad

02:03:55.840 or you're wrong

02:03:56.620 there are going to come

02:03:58.640 many times

02:03:59.320 when you know

02:04:00.520 the world opposed

02:04:01.560 what we did in Iraq

02:04:02.320 right

02:04:02.880 there were protests

02:04:03.500 all over the world

02:04:04.500 in countries we are allied

02:04:05.640 with

02:04:06.300 in countries we are enemies with

02:04:07.420 and I think history shows

02:04:09.200 that the invasion of Iraq

02:04:10.320 was a mistake

02:04:11.020 and basically

02:04:11.700 everybody agrees

02:04:12.380 so if you were coming out

02:04:13.960 in the 2000s

02:04:14.600 saying this is wrong

02:04:15.040 we shouldn't do it

02:04:15.600 they'd be canceling you

02:04:16.500 they wouldn't invite you

02:04:17.420 onto these TV shows

02:04:18.220 and so sure enough

02:04:19.400 you're going to see

02:04:19.900 in foreign countries

02:04:20.540 them praising you

02:04:21.520 for having called it out

02:04:22.280 we'll see what happens

02:04:23.540 Tucker may be right

02:04:24.900 on some things

02:04:25.840 he may be wrong

02:04:26.240 I'm lukewarm on Tucker

02:04:27.240 right now

02:04:27.660 because there's some things

02:04:28.800 I've seen

02:04:29.140 where they seem to be

02:04:29.720 contradictory

02:04:30.100 like when he claimed

02:04:30.740 he didn't know

02:04:31.040 Tommy Robinson was

02:04:32.000 which is like

02:04:32.440 what you've interviewed

02:04:33.000 him like two or three times

02:04:34.040 and he's famous

02:04:34.560 there's a few people

02:04:35.220 that being said

02:04:36.000 I don't think Tucker

02:04:37.540 has done the overt

02:04:38.440 cowardly or evil

02:04:39.520 things we've seen

02:04:40.100 from others

02:04:40.680 so I say I'm lukewarm

02:04:42.020 you saw he brought

02:04:42.600 a far out registered

02:04:43.460 agent of Venezuela

02:04:44.380 into his show

02:04:45.020 and he didn't disclose it

02:04:45.960 right

02:04:46.200 Robert Amsterdam

02:04:47.160 got paid four million dollars

02:04:48.380 by the Maduro regime

02:04:49.980 yeah but

02:04:50.680 and that's the episode

02:04:51.660 where Tucker said

02:04:53.860 Maduro is actually

02:04:54.720 socially conservative

02:04:55.740 I see like no difference

02:04:57.020 between Tucker

02:04:57.640 and Candace

02:04:58.120 I really think

02:04:59.640 they're two sides

02:05:00.240 of the same coin

02:05:00.880 well Candace

02:05:01.260 might be more mentally ill

02:05:02.500 yeah I mean

02:05:03.240 Tucker's not coming out

02:05:04.220 claiming that Erica Kirk

02:05:04.920 was a robot

02:05:05.460 built by

02:05:06.060 or that Brigitte McCrani

02:05:06.820 said man

02:05:07.680 he doesn't actually

02:05:08.580 come out and say it

02:05:09.340 right right right

02:05:09.980 Tucker hasn't

02:05:10.860 Tucker has opinions

02:05:12.980 and a focus

02:05:15.040 that many people think

02:05:16.520 is backed by an agenda

02:05:17.300 I'm lukewarm on it

02:05:19.780 because

02:05:20.260 I think people

02:05:21.980 don't have opinions

02:05:22.560 do you have to disclose

02:05:23.900 someone's far

02:05:24.480 if you interview them

02:05:25.200 I don't know

02:05:25.680 I think it's fair

02:05:27.020 to criticize though

02:05:27.800 Candace has said

02:05:28.700 psychotic shit

02:05:29.660 like Charlie came to her

02:05:31.700 in a dream

02:05:32.240 yeah

02:05:32.700 I'll make it personal

02:05:33.700 she claimed

02:05:34.580 quote

02:05:35.040 the shooting Tim Pool survived

02:05:36.920 was committed by his brother

02:05:37.780 that is just

02:05:38.680 making shit up

02:05:40.320 she said that

02:05:41.020 yeah she said that

02:05:41.880 and it's just not real

02:05:42.720 there was never a shooting

02:05:43.820 I survived

02:05:44.240 committed by my brother

02:05:44.880 there was never an incident

02:05:45.880 where my life was in danger

02:05:47.020 because my brother

02:05:47.460 was trying to kill me

02:05:48.100 this is not reality

02:05:49.320 it's fabricated

02:05:50.360 and that's very very different

02:05:52.460 from what Tucker does

02:05:53.180 Tucker just seems

02:05:54.600 to have a bias

02:05:55.760 and you can disagree with it

02:05:57.420 and say he's hyper focused

02:05:58.740 on issues that are bad for us

02:06:00.060 whatever you want to think

02:06:00.760 Candace is just saying

02:06:01.820 psychotic shit

02:06:02.380 that makes no sense

02:06:02.940 but we're out of time

02:06:03.780 we're out of time

02:06:04.100 so if you want to nail

02:06:04.960 some final points

02:06:05.840 or I don't know

02:06:06.220 who did or who didn't

02:06:06.980 whatever I don't know

02:06:07.580 I think I said

02:06:08.480 what I wanted to say

02:06:09.160 definitely you know

02:06:10.380 I'm Daniel D. Martino

02:06:11.380 for the people

02:06:11.760 who didn't hear it before

02:06:12.740 you can follow me

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02:06:14.700 just Daniel D. Martino

02:06:16.140 and I'm Erin

02:06:17.000 aka straighterate

02:06:17.880 or at straighterate underscore

02:06:18.880 on everything

02:06:19.620 from Twitch

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02:06:23.240 and react streaming

02:06:24.040 I'm Dave Ehrenberg

02:06:25.480 former state attorney

02:06:26.240 for Palm Beach County

02:06:27.080 aka the Florida Lawman

02:06:28.800 you can find me on

02:06:29.560 Substack

02:06:30.260 at Dave Ehrenberg

02:06:31.320 and on social media

02:06:32.480 thank you all so much

02:06:33.560 for hanging out

02:06:33.960 we're gonna be back

02:06:34.400 tonight with Timcast IRL

02:06:35.700 don't miss it

02:06:36.180 it'll be at 8 p.m.

02:06:37.000 it's gonna be fun

02:06:37.700 and we'll see how things go

02:06:39.600 I think there's gonna be

02:06:40.160 a lot more protests

02:06:40.840 and riots across the country

02:06:41.880 but you can follow me

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02:06:43.640 at Timcast

02:06:44.240 and we'll see you all then

The Culture War - Tim Pool - January 09, 2026

Protests ERUPT NATIONWIDE Over Renee Good Killing, Violence Feared ｜ The Culture War EP.

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