The Culture War - Tim Pool - Republicans CAVE On Robert E. Lee Statue, Culture Is Being ERASED ft. Logan Hall

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00:01:16.400 U.S. Capitol, this is from CBS News.

00:01:20.740 This is all the talk right now, and we're going to bring Logan Hall in to discuss this further here in a minute.

00:01:26.100 From CBS News, U.S. Capitol replaced a statue of Robert E. Lee with teen civil rights icon Barbara Rose Johns.

00:01:34.020 Never heard of the lady.

00:01:34.640 The U.S. Capitol on Tuesday began displaying a statue of a teenaged Barbara Rose Johns

00:01:40.840 as she protested poor conditions at her segregated Virginia high school.

00:01:45.600 A pointed replacement for a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee that was removed several years ago.

00:01:50.560 Pointed is the correct adjective to use here.

00:01:53.400 This is a middle finger, obviously, to Robert E. Lee.

00:01:56.360 An unveiling ceremony of the statue representing Virginia in the Capitol took place in Emancipation Hall

00:02:02.260 featuring Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, Hakeem Jeffries, Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin, a Republican,

00:02:09.480 and Virginia's congressional delegation and Democratic Governor-elect Abigail Spanberger.

00:02:15.180 Who needs Republicans, or rather, who needs Democrats when you have these sorts of Republicans?

00:02:20.740 Republicans that really just do not understand the civilizational fight that we're in,

00:02:24.300 do not understand what the left is trying to do when they make actions like this.

00:02:29.040 They still have this poisonous idea in their minds that if they just, like, throw enough bones to the woke mob,

00:02:35.940 that eventually they'll just be like, yeah, these Republicans are reasonable.

00:02:38.400 I'll cast a vote for them.

00:02:40.200 Just a serious miscalculation of what time we're in.

00:02:43.060 Just absolutely humiliating.

00:02:44.560 I wanted to outline a bit of commentary that was on this.

00:02:47.500 This is from Logan Hall, who will be joining us.

00:02:50.420 They tore down a statue of one of the greatest Americans that ever lived for this.

00:02:53.860 Obviously, this is the video from C-SPAN showing the unveiling of the statue.

00:02:59.400 And littered with Republicans, Mike Johnson and Glenn Youngkin here,

00:03:02.940 for this statue of a lady that no one has ever heard of.

00:03:06.720 Just unbelievable that, again, Republicans who are meant to be representing their constituents,

00:03:12.820 and often these constituencies that they're representing are Americans, typically.

00:03:17.460 I know there's some exceptions.

00:03:18.300 Ilhan Omar jumps to mind.

00:03:19.660 But you're supposed to be representing people's, not just, like, economic interests,

00:03:25.620 but you should be sort of representing their sort of grievances with the project that's been taking place in the United States.

00:03:33.700 And many people don't like to see their heritage erased.

00:03:35.860 People don't like to see these bricks thrown through the window of Heritage America's history.

00:03:41.940 Matt Walsh has been cooking on this.

00:03:43.420 I reference him a lot, but he's just, he's always got it.

00:03:46.660 He's got the sauce.

00:03:48.580 He's adding his commentary onto the video here.

00:03:51.360 Nobody knows who, quote, Barbara Rose Johns is.

00:03:54.100 Correct?

00:03:54.360 I had no idea who she was.

00:03:55.300 I had to, like, pull up her Wikipedia.

00:03:56.600 And even her Wikipedia is a bit lacking.

00:03:58.620 Robert E. Lee was about a million times more historically significant.

00:04:02.020 He was also a million times more honorable and courageous than all of the politicians applauding in this video.

00:04:06.280 So that really hits at the core of what's going on here is it's unimpressive people standing on the shoulders of giants tearing down the legacy of immensely impressive people.

00:04:17.220 That is exactly correct.

00:04:19.780 Matt Walsh, again, he provided some more commentary.

00:04:21.720 He's been cooking all morning on this topic.

00:04:23.820 The left tells us that we can't have monuments to Confederate generals because they supported slavery and fought against the federal government and lost.

00:04:30.940 And yet they tell us that we must honor Native American tribes who supported slavery and fought against the federal government and lost.

00:04:37.800 That is exactly correct.

00:04:39.740 Again, it's just this weird, bizarre thing where we celebrate, like, we celebrate these losers with the Native Americans. 1.00

00:04:48.860 I mean, they just didn't put up a good fight. 0.65

00:04:50.800 I'm kind of tired of this, like, noble, savage lines that people use regarding the Native Americans.

00:04:55.760 We're supposed to venerate and celebrate them.

00:04:57.780 But the Confederates, who, you know, whatever your take is on the Civil War, it's not a Civil War history show, they had their cause that they believed in.

00:05:08.220 And they were incredibly, immensely impressive people.

00:05:11.280 Robert E. Lee is one of the greatest military minds probably in human history, certainly in American history.

00:05:16.260 That's worth venerating.

00:05:17.400 That's worth celebrating.

00:05:18.320 That's worth putting a statue up.

00:05:19.520 That's worth having sort of a monument that when you're taking your children into Emancipation Hall that you can point to and say, well, this is a great man.

00:05:26.600 Again, whatever gripes you have with Robert E. Lee or the Confederacy at large, that shouldn't downplay the fact that, A, he was an American, and, B, the way he conducted himself cemented him in the history books forever.

00:05:40.080 Generally, as human beings, we should always be trying to learn from someone that has cemented themselves in history books.

00:05:46.160 We should always try to be saying, what about them was so impactful that they were able to drop in on the timeline and shatter it?

00:05:52.460 What about them was so immense?

00:05:53.980 What about their gravity was so large that it pulled everyone in and they changed an era forever?

00:05:59.840 So I want to bring Logan Hall in.

00:06:01.460 I want to bring him to discuss this situation here.

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00:07:13.240 Now, let's get back to the story.

00:07:15.080 What is going on, Patriot?

00:07:16.740 How are you doing today?

00:07:18.520 Good, how are you, man?

00:07:19.500 Doing all right.

00:07:20.020 Can you give the people a quick intro of who you are and what you do?

00:07:24.160 Yeah, I'm just Logan Hall.

00:07:27.080 You can find me on Twitter at Logan Clark Hall.

00:07:30.060 I am a digital strategist for The Blaze.

00:07:32.820 Yes, sir.

00:07:33.240 Well, I wanted to bring you in because you, obviously, on the timeline for years, have been a big proponent of America, constantly sort of pointing to great men throughout our history who have impacted sort of the history books in very dramatic ways, people that carry immense gravity.

00:07:50.360 And Robert E. Lee fits into that very effectively.

00:07:53.380 He is someone, again, I was pointing out, like, whatever your gripes are with Robert E. Lee, why would that be a reason to tear down a statue of such a great, immense figure?

00:08:04.080 And then we obviously saw that taking place.

00:08:06.580 And it was spearheaded by Republicans.

00:08:08.160 We had Mike Johnson there.

00:08:09.560 We had Glenn Youngkin there.

00:08:11.020 Two men who should be representing the sort of the desires once, et cetera, of their constituents.

00:08:19.340 And they're failing to do so.

00:08:20.600 And they're working in opposition to that by hoisting a statue of a lady that no one's ever heard.

00:08:25.160 Even CBS News called it a pointed sort of statement because they even acknowledged that, like, look, this is a direct insult to the history and heritage of millions, tens of millions of Americans, not just across the South, but largely.

00:08:38.220 I mean, what is your whole take on this?

00:08:40.420 We read your tweet, but what's your analysis of the situation, your thoughts on Robert E. Lee?

00:08:44.320 Yeah, well, thank you for having me.

00:08:48.420 You're right.

00:08:49.440 I do try to do a lot of pro-America stuff on the timeline.

00:08:55.920 I love this country.

00:08:57.060 I just want to stop it from being destroyed.

00:09:00.980 Myself, I am an Ohio man.

00:09:03.800 So I, you know, my ancestors fought for the Union, you know.

00:09:09.220 So we actually did, like, fight for the Union.

00:09:12.540 But my wife is from Texas, so I have a little bit, I think that gives me a little bit of credibility.

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00:09:45.760 On the Robert E. Lee thing, no, I just like to claim that I use her as my excuse that I think that gives me a little bit of a claim as a Southerner.

00:09:58.840 She doesn't necessarily agree with that.

00:10:00.660 But, no, I think this is truly, this is kind of what you got to, Tate.

00:10:09.040 I think one of the most insulting things about this, this obviously came out of the BLM hysteria from 2020 where they just started ripping down statues to all sorts of great Americans throughout history.

00:10:25.800 You know, this wasn't just like, oh, it's about the South thing, you know, that's what that's what they said.

00:10:31.480 But then they started quickly tearing down statues to Andrew Jackson, to Teddy Roosevelt.

00:10:36.320 So this was more of a cultural revolution thing.

00:10:39.460 It's actually cultural liquidation is what's happening.

00:10:41.880 And I think the saddest part about it, even looking back on that era now, is how many of these weak Republicans just decided they're like, oh, well, we can we this isn't really I guess like we're going to let them shame us because they're so afraid of being called racist by leftists who hate them.

00:11:04.260 And they're like, oh, well, I guess we could like move it to a museum or like take them out or whatever. 0.99

00:11:09.620 This is pathetic. 0.98

00:11:10.820 Mike Johnson and Glenn Youngkin. 0.99

00:11:13.220 And I, you know, I tend to like both of those guys.

00:11:16.960 You know, I don't I have my gripes with the GOP, but they're not the worst among a lot of those guys, for sure.

00:11:25.500 So I don't really have too much of an issue with them.

00:11:29.100 But if you are supposed to be these are supposed to be the guys that are stewards for the South.

00:11:34.780 You know, how many how many Americans in Louisiana and rural Virginia, not, you know, excluding Nova.

00:11:42.240 Right.

00:11:42.500 Want to get rid of a Robert E. Lee statue and put it up in its place.

00:11:49.640 Some civil rights civil rights leader that no one's ever heard of.

00:11:55.340 Right.

00:11:55.580 It's it's really disgraceful.

00:11:58.760 And this to go along with an attack like this on America is and that's what it is.

00:12:04.920 It's an attack on America.

00:12:05.940 It's an attack on our history and our people.

00:12:08.560 Whenever leftists and Democrats talk about, oh, this Robert E. Lee or foreigners, too.

00:12:17.520 We have you know, there's that great meme where it's like some woman in a hijab like Robert E. Lee was a traitor to the union.

00:12:23.460 It's like this is not your.

00:12:25.420 Yeah.

00:12:25.820 So that's that's a whole different issue aside.

00:12:28.840 But even some as an American myself whose ancestors fought for the union.

00:12:32.460 When I see someone like who's a foreigner desecrating like the graves or dancing on the graves of the Confederates, it's like this is not your history. 1.00

00:12:42.240 You are clearly supplanting or redirecting your hatred towards red America today and saying you guys are the same as the South. 0.98

00:12:52.340 We you're the traitors. 1.00

00:12:53.400 We need to destroy you. 1.00

00:12:54.480 And so I'm sorry, I could rant about this for a while, but it's to see the Republicans going along with that is is truly shameful. 0.95

00:13:03.080 And last thing, Glenn Youngkin was in his post about this.

00:13:08.800 He's like he said something along the lines of you can't tell the story of Virginia and the story of America without whatever this lady's name.

00:13:17.740 Nobody's ever heard of, you know, but you actually like that's actually true about Robert E.

00:13:22.440 You cannot tell the story of Virginia, especially, but you cannot tell the story of America without Robert E.

00:13:29.020 Lee. So I think going along with this is is disgraceful and it shows you how unprepared many are still on our side.

00:13:39.420 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:13:40.420 I mean, first is like to your point.

00:13:42.260 I mean, you're seeing people that have no attachment to American history whatsoever, like adopting this weird like union LARPing.

00:13:49.300 Like there's this tick tock that went around years ago and it was a girl.

00:13:52.360 I think she was of like maybe Vietnamese extraction.

00:13:54.660 This is exactly what I'm thinking about.

00:13:56.200 Yeah.

00:13:56.740 And she had like this union like Halloween costume on and she was like, oh, like rest in piss Robert E. 1.00

00:14:02.060 Lee or whatever.

00:14:02.620 And it's like, hang on.

00:14:05.880 First of all, if you read, you know, if you read history and you look at sort of the sentiments among those who fought for the union, those who were northerners at the time of the Civil War, they did not have really any venom towards the Confederates.

00:14:20.420 They viewed it as like this tragic thing, this tragic family feud that was inevitable in many ways.

00:14:25.040 But they weren't like celebrating the deaths of their fellow countrymen and they certainly wouldn't have been desecrating and mocking them.

00:14:33.400 So it's just like weird that they take on this LARP to sort of desecrate people that they're trying to adopt a LARP and sort of retcon how these people actually felt when they did not feel this way whatsoever.

00:14:46.280 And it's just bizarre to me that this is like permitted and promoted by the left.

00:14:51.760 But what's more bizarre to me is that the right, like you said, is just not prepared whatsoever to fight back on this, as you correctly identified, cultural liquidation.

00:14:59.560 It's like they just can't understand what's going on here.

00:15:02.580 I make this point quite a bit is you can't step into the left's framework and expect to beat them at their own game because they're the masters at it.

00:15:10.220 You need to pull them into your framework and then beat them at your own game.

00:15:13.180 And so it's so weird to see here is people like Mike Johnson, people like Glenn Youngkin, who I agree, like they're directionally correct on a lot of things, but where they expect like, OK, if we keep throwing enough bones to the left, maybe they will finally vote for us.

00:15:28.960 Maybe they'll finally view us as sensible and they won't, you know, they'll stop lambasting us as racist.

00:15:32.980 And I personally, I thought we this is why this story is so shocking to me, is I thought we had kind of moved on from that in many regards.

00:15:38.940 Like this was something that really hit fever pitch, the Biden winner with COVID, with the BLM riots, that sort of thing.

00:15:45.120 I thought that everyone kind of wised up to what was going on.

00:15:48.040 And to me, when Trump was elected the second time, I thought everyone was kind of in agreement, like, OK, we don't have to do these weird like struggle sessions anymore.

00:15:55.040 Yeah, that's a humiliation ritual.

00:15:57.080 Yeah. So that's to me like just so strange.

00:16:00.000 It's like these these guys, Mike Johnson is the speaker of the House.

00:16:02.860 This is someone who really, in many ways, is at the forefront of this right wing movement in the United States.

00:16:09.760 He is supposed to be the leader. He is supposed to be the guy that we can look to for direction and to see him not just to the left of like the Republican constituency, but to the left of like some Democrats is just like it's just I struggle to find the words to describe how horrific this is.

00:16:30.180 Yeah, it is. It is. It is truly mind boggling.

00:16:33.620 And you're right. It is. It is.

00:16:37.180 But the GOP, you know, a lot of times they will pretend that they represent their constituents.

00:16:43.040 But Oren McIntyre has a great line that like a lot of the leaders in the GOP have the same beliefs as the left, that there's like this like army of like hidden Ku Klux Klan members somewhere in America.

00:16:55.540 And so like everything must be upended to prevent them from like rising and taking over the government.

00:17:04.180 It's just this absurd fantasy that like, oh, if we you know, if we got rid of civil rights, for instance, that like somehow red America is just going to rise up and be they view the same thing. 0.59

00:17:15.380 It's like what the left does when they project their hatred for the Confederacy.

00:17:22.020 What they're saying is we hate normal Americans in a heartland today. 1.00

00:17:26.660 And that's what we want to do to them is to annihilate them. 1.00

00:17:29.700 They always say, oh, we should have we should have hung every last Confederate. 0.99

00:17:33.980 It's like this is way crazier than any opinion that like Lincoln had.

00:17:39.280 Now, maybe Sherman could be a different one, but he might have been the most bloodthirsty of the union.

00:17:46.160 Yeah, but even this.

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00:18:38.880 This is far more radical than what most of the Union Army, the Union Soldiers, the Union Command believe.

00:18:44.780 I actually am going to take some time to, you might be able to see it back here, plug some of my favorite books right there.

00:18:52.540 Those are Civil War by Shelby Foote.

00:18:55.260 Everyone should read those.

00:18:57.200 It's kind of a slog.

00:18:59.820 It's like a million and a half words.

00:19:01.860 But if you want some understanding of the causes, the battles, the key figures involved, it is shocking.

00:19:10.740 And it is beautifully written.

00:19:12.120 I cannot highly, I cannot recommend it highly enough.

00:19:15.720 And I know Mystery Grove has been huge on this.

00:19:18.720 I've had a couple people that put me on to those books, but they are phenomenal.

00:19:23.760 And when you look at them, when you read them, you understand just how much of kind of what you were talking about, Tate.

00:19:32.100 There is a lot of respect on both sides.

00:19:36.720 So, like, you would have a battle where these people would be literally slaughtering each other.

00:19:43.240 And then, you know, for like one particular, if there was a July 4th holiday, there was a battle at Vicksburg, for instance, where on July 4th, the Confederate Army was besieged.

00:19:57.620 They were pretty much like starving.

00:19:59.520 They were about to lose, and there was no fighting on July 4th because these—and you would see soldiers, like, from each side, you know, walking across the lines and exchanging various things that either side wanted, you know, various supplies.

00:20:19.080 And they would—it literally was a brother war.

00:20:21.260 And when you see the—there's that great picture—someone put it in color.

00:20:26.660 It was originally in black and white.

00:20:28.380 But there's that great picture of Union and Confederate veterans at Gettysburg when they're all, like, 80 or 90 years old on the anniversary, and they're all sitting there shaking hands, you know.

00:20:39.700 So this is, like, much different than—what actually they want—the left wants to happen is they don't want unity.

00:20:46.220 You know, we had unity on this point. 0.99

00:20:49.760 It should have been settled a long time ago, but they want to keep reopening those wounds and keep hammering you over the head and just say, you are traitors, you are racist, we hate you. 0.98

00:21:00.220 And they're not—they're not interested in coming together. 0.50

00:21:03.400 And so I think the behoove of Republicans to learn and understand that you're not dealing in an enemy—like, this is not someone who's operating in good faith.

00:21:14.860 They hate you.

00:21:15.640 They're going to keep browbeating you until you submit, and you just—you can't do that.

00:21:20.800 One last thing.

00:21:21.500 I would love to see—I know Trump's doing a garden.

00:21:25.940 I think it's, like, a statue garden for his 250th anniversary.

00:21:29.320 I think for every statue that they tore down, they should put up one that's 10 feet taller.

00:21:34.880 For every single figure.

00:21:35.880 It doesn't matter if it was—it doesn't matter if it was Lee.

00:21:38.660 They tore down Teddy Roosevelt.

00:21:40.180 Like I said, they tore down a ton of these guys.

00:21:42.160 We have to show that if they try to tear down statues to our heroes, we are going to rebuild them.

00:21:48.800 That's absolutely right.

00:21:50.020 I mean, yeah, there's two points there.

00:21:51.040 I mean, the first one in regard to sort of, yeah, how the Union and Confederacy perceive themselves is,

00:21:56.780 I think, like, those gentlemen who fought—I think it was Bismarck, he said, you know,

00:22:02.240 war is just, like, sort of the natural conclusion of politics in many ways.

00:22:06.000 So those men fighting just viewed this as, in many ways, just an extension of politics.

00:22:10.480 It was, like, political theater.

00:22:11.760 They didn't have this, like, bloodthirsty hatred.

00:22:14.720 I mean, I'm sure some of the minority did.

00:22:16.440 But the overwhelming majority of the men that fought didn't have this, like, bloodthirsty hatred for the opposition.

00:22:21.680 And to your point, like, we talked about earlier with that TikTok that everyone sort of references.

00:22:25.980 But even, like, white Americans that are on the left that just, yeah, view, like, the Union as if there was some sort of, like, super soldiers that had this, like, vengeance against the Confederacy.

00:22:35.440 It's just so bizarre.

00:22:37.220 And it's because it's, like, like you said, they just view the Confederacy as an analog for traditional Americans.

00:22:43.280 Because those people who are LARPing as, like, these Union generals or whatever and, like, you know, making all these threats against Confederates, 0.72

00:22:51.080 these types of people would be scandalized by the views of a Union soldier.

00:22:55.440 Really, anybody—

00:22:56.280 Yes, they would.

00:22:56.860 Yeah, like, anybody at that time, they would also perceive them as, like, just this horrific backwards chud. 1.00

00:23:03.620 Because that's exactly what was going on.

00:23:06.620 So that's what's so funny to me is it's, like, okay, you're adopting this identity.

00:23:10.100 But even those people, A, the Union soldiers would be horrified by them.

00:23:13.220 And likewise, those people would be horrified by the views of these Union soldiers.

00:23:17.640 And to your second point—

00:23:18.840 Every single one, you know, it's the same thing they do with the Antifa, right?

00:23:21.720 They're like, oh, these World War II soldiers were the original Antifa.

00:23:24.960 So it's like, these guys would, like, absolutely hate you.

00:23:28.400 Yeah, literally.

00:23:29.280 Yeah.

00:23:29.860 It's just like—it's because they view history as just an avatar for their beliefs.

00:23:35.140 That's all it really is.

00:23:35.940 Because they realize—these people on the left, they realize their beliefs are so inhuman that there's no sort of historical undercurrent to any of it.

00:23:44.620 That it's just, like, weird postmodern deconstructionist.

00:23:47.540 That in order to provide some credibility for their beliefs, they need to find these historical analogs to then, like, sort of retcon and sort of use as an avatar.

00:23:56.920 Because, yeah, fundamentally they're like, oh, wow, this actually has no precedent in history.

00:24:00.860 This is an ideology that whatever form it did exist in history led to the destruction of that civilization.

00:24:06.640 So maybe if we sort of adopt these historical figures that, you know, right-wingers may be sympathetic to, then perhaps we could sell it to them.

00:24:15.800 Maybe it'll pass the sniff test.

00:24:17.340 But unfortunately, because they hate sort of core heritage Americans so much, they can't, like, get out of their own way.

00:24:24.160 And then they just end up revealing that they do indeed have this bloodthirsty hatred for the Confederacy, which is just a stand-in for, you know, normal conservative Americans.

00:24:35.560 Actual Americans, yes. 0.77

00:24:37.160 Yeah, I mean, to your point, Tate, if you go back and read some of Lincoln's inaugural addresses, like, for instance, I think it's his second inaugural.

00:24:44.780 Lincoln was not this, like, they love to think of him as, like, this, like, anti-racism crusade or whatever.

00:24:53.340 It's like, this is not actually, if you go back and read Lincoln, it's like there's some stuff that would really, really offend, not just the sensibilities of the modern left, but also the conservatives.

00:25:03.040 And it's just hilarious that, and I will keep harping on this, because I think leftists are just so consumed by media that everything is the Avengers to them.

00:25:16.440 And this happens, this is to the extent of Republicans, too, at least a lot of the boomers, you see this, where under, like, I saw a bunch of the comments under the post yesterday where the statue's being taken down, the video.

00:25:32.280 And a bunch of these old boomer Republicans are like, oh, the Democrats were the real racists.

00:25:39.620 Like, we were the Republicans and whatever. 1.00

00:25:43.040 It's like, this is so pathetic. 0.96

00:25:44.080 This is not, like, what this is about, guys. 0.99

00:25:46.440 Just get it through your heads.

00:25:48.520 So that part is hilarious.

00:25:52.060 But what I keep harping on is people really, really, really just, you don't need to get your information through Wikipedia.

00:26:01.140 You should go and read old books.

00:26:03.880 Read about the men, what they thought.

00:26:06.560 If you read, and again, I'm going to plug those books as many times as I possibly can, the Civil War books by Shelby Foote, the trilogy.

00:26:15.940 It's amazing.

00:26:16.420 But if you read, some of these soldiers, Confederate soldiers who are not even technically educated, you know, they didn't go to college, they couldn't name a whole lot of the Constitution.

00:26:29.360 They could hardly basically describe, like, the Bill of Rights to you.

00:26:34.400 But the letters that they write are so much more intelligible and articulate than what most college students today are writing or able to talk or the way that they're able to express their feelings or what's going on around them.

00:26:52.180 It's crazy.

00:26:54.200 It goes back to what you said.

00:26:56.620 But people are just so historically illiterate that they don't understand what they're trying to explain and describe.

00:27:05.680 Lee, for instance, was a formidable opponent.

00:27:10.320 They were – he was heavily – I mean, he garnered a ton of respect even from the opposite side.

00:27:15.220 You know, the South thought he was going to be their hero, and he was, but they thought he was going to – they were always banking even after their big losses.

00:27:22.400 They said, well, Lee's going to be able to deliver us from this no matter how hopeless the situation gets.

00:27:28.420 The opposite side, this is why – I mean, Lincoln had to shuffle through so many different generals before he got to Grant because they didn't know how to deal with Lee in Virginia.

00:27:40.600 And they're all sitting there like, how in the heck is this guy doing it?

00:27:44.140 He's outnumbered by tens of thousands of troops.

00:27:48.540 He's outgunned.

00:27:49.900 We have more machines, vastly more industry than the South, and yet he had like this – somehow he has such a fantastic military mind that he was able to outmaneuver them even when he's vastly outnumbered.

00:28:05.340 So all of the – there was so much respect for him on the opposite side because they're like, he is the person who is – he keeps – he's humiliating us in Virginia.

00:28:14.140 And it's just – it's fascinating to read about.

00:28:17.660 So I would advise people to do that.

00:28:21.360 And I think that you gain a lot – you get a lot more respect.

00:28:24.800 And even then, the Union soldiers and the Union command all gave – they all gave Lee a tremendous amount of respect for what he did.

00:28:39.840 And even after that, you know, they didn't decide to just like go down and hang every Confederate.

00:28:46.840 They said, OK, this is done.

00:28:48.680 You know, Reconstruction was a little ugly, but it was done and it was over with. 0.97

00:28:51.880 And then they embraced them back into the Union.

00:28:56.260 Yeah.

00:28:56.780 And so –

00:28:57.460 Yeah, there's so much there.

00:28:59.420 I mean, one – yeah, with Lincoln, you were talking about this weird retconning where they try to turn him into this like wholesome, chungus, anti-racist like figure. 0.89

00:29:06.840 And it was like literally like the war happens.

00:29:10.200 And then they're like, so what do we do now with all these freed slaves?

00:29:13.320 And he sat back.

00:29:14.080 He's like, we could just like deport him back to Africa.

00:29:16.600 Like that was his solution.

00:29:18.020 Like this guy is just completely out of step with what like the modern political zeitgeist would be like on the right or left.

00:29:24.200 Like this guy was not this, yeah, like wholesome, chungus, redditor with a top hat like everyone – 1.00

00:29:27.860 No, he was not.

00:29:28.880 And like – yeah, but I think it's also – you mentioned this, sort of the Democrats are the real racist line.

00:29:36.720 Why that is ineffective as a line, I would say – I want to propose sort of something different than the conventional line of attack against that line from the right.

00:29:46.500 Is I want to make the case that modern liberalism as it stands, modern leftism broadly, has no historical analog.

00:29:54.260 This is something that's demonic in many ways.

00:29:57.180 And they can't find precedent in history because it's inherently a destructive ideology.

00:30:01.360 Again, like I said, anyone that did adopt this ideology in any form ended up being destroyed so dramatically that they don't even make the history books.

00:30:08.900 So when you – that's a concession when you say the Democrats were the real racist because you're saying, no, they actually do have precedent in history.

00:30:17.140 This ideology has existed throughout history.

00:30:20.160 No, this is something entirely new, something entirely horrific, something entirely destructive.

00:30:27.080 And so that's why I think that line is just specifically like – you think it's like an own, but it's actually the opposite.

00:30:32.420 It's like, no, you're lending them historical credibility, and it's just a complete disaster.

00:30:38.840 And then, yeah, to your point with Robert E. Lee, I mean, you would see these old world powers.

00:30:43.740 They were like – it was like college football where they were, like, scouting them out.

00:30:47.140 They're like, who is this guy? Can we pick him up in the transfer portal?

00:30:49.220 Like, what is going on in America?

00:30:50.940 This Robert E. Lee guy, again, outnumbered, outgunned, and he's pulling off these massive victories.

00:30:55.340 You can – there's some historical anecdotes of old world powers, like the French, the English, and the Spanish,

00:31:00.660 and they're keeping an eye on this guy.

00:31:01.760 Like, what is he doing that we're missing?

00:31:04.080 Because we thought Napoleon was, like, a once-in-a-generation military leader,

00:31:07.940 but Robert E. Lee is pulling off the same stats.

00:31:10.680 His KDR is insane.

00:31:12.100 I mean, he's, like, three away from the UAV.

00:31:13.860 I mean, like, what's going on?

00:31:15.380 Yeah, Napoleon himself was arguably pro-Confederate

00:31:21.080 because the Confederates were appealing for foreign recognition,

00:31:26.280 that they could say, okay, we've established ourselves.

00:31:30.500 France stands with us now.

00:31:31.840 There were some worries that France was actually going to go and put a bunch of troops in Mexico

00:31:38.820 and then aid the Confederacy that way.

00:31:42.180 But, yeah, this is the issue.

00:31:44.200 Nobody reads anymore. 0.91

00:31:45.260 We have this thing where, yeah, the Democrats are the real racists. 0.98

00:31:51.320 No, the Republicans are the real racists. 0.91

00:31:53.220 Like, this isn't even a debate anymore. 0.99

00:31:55.300 It's just childish.

00:31:56.660 And one of the great quotes from Shelby Foote, too, is where he says,

00:32:04.500 neither side gave a damn about – this is his quote.

00:32:07.700 He said, neither side gave a damn about the slaves.

00:32:10.420 The South thought they were fighting the second American Revolution,

00:32:13.640 and the North thought that they were fighting to preserve the Union.

00:32:16.840 That was what it was about.

00:32:18.320 So this idea that, like, oh, it's, like, this wholesome Chungus thing. 0.87

00:32:23.060 Like, no, this is just – and you can say, like, there was a lot of ugly stuff that happened in that war.

00:32:28.280 We don't have to run from our history, but this is exactly what is happening,

00:32:31.960 is we are too afraid to come to grips with the fact – and we think that we have elevated ourselves.

00:32:38.000 We're so enlightened, we're so smart, we have the Internet, we have technology, 0.98

00:32:41.360 we have all this stuff at our fingertips, and yet we're much dumber than most – 0.97

00:32:46.920 the average voter is much less aware of knowledge and of history, of the Bible, for instance, 0.96

00:32:55.100 than most of the soldiers you find out.

00:32:58.400 Yeah, literally.

00:32:59.720 It's crazy.

00:33:01.600 I could rant for hours about this, but, yeah, it's – just read old books.

00:33:06.800 So that would be my big takeaway from this.

00:33:09.820 I totally agree.

00:33:10.540 I mean, yeah, with the Lee and Napoleon comparison, I can't remember which poster pointed this out,

00:33:14.700 but they pointed out that Napoleon studied engineering and Lee studied engineering.

00:33:20.000 That was, like, the one thing they had in common is they had an immense understanding of machines

00:33:24.380 and engineering at large, and that obviously was something that gave them a tremendous edge on the battlefield.

00:33:29.880 It's worth considering is maybe – you know, I think what happens in our space a lot on the right

00:33:35.080 is people get really bogged down in these, like, esoteric philosophy books

00:33:39.600 and these, like, you know, these deep political thinkers and these sorts of things.

00:33:43.340 But oftentimes when you want to win, you just need to, like, have the basics down

00:33:47.620 because really what's going to allow you to win is just if you want it more than the other side.

00:33:51.660 Like, it's one thing if you know all your stuff, you have all the points, you can get to your spots.

00:33:55.620 You know, if you get left open in the corner, you can knock it down.

00:33:58.040 But there's something to be said about, look, if you have this hunger and desire to take your country back

00:34:03.180 and you want it more than they do, then it's almost like sometimes a distraction

00:34:07.220 to just, like, wait until you've read everything and you've accumulated all the knowledge

00:34:10.120 and then you can get out there.

00:34:11.060 It's, like, just, like, get the core, the way the world works, have that down pat and build out from there.

00:34:19.140 So that was kind of my concluding thoughts.

00:34:21.260 I don't know, Logan, if you have some final thoughts,

00:34:22.660 and then more importantly where people can find you to get more.

00:34:26.240 Nothing crazy.

00:34:27.300 I'm just going to plug that book one more time, read the Civil War trilogy.

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00:35:23.100 ...by Shelby Foote.

00:35:24.080 It's phenomenal, phenomenal writing.

00:35:26.240 You can find me at Logan Clark Hall and then follow The Blaze on social media.

00:35:31.660 Very base.

00:35:32.220 Well, thank you so much, Logan, for hopping on.

00:35:33.720 I'll catch you around.

00:35:34.980 Thank you, Tate.

00:35:35.680 See you, brother.

00:35:36.760 All righty, guys.

00:35:37.400 Well, that was the great Logan Hall.

00:35:38.820 Man, I knew when this topic was popping up on the timeline,

00:35:42.800 there would have been no one better to bring in this dude.

00:35:45.900 Not The Blaze, but he's fantastic.

00:35:47.860 I totally recommend checking out his stuff.

00:35:49.920 He's doing great work at The Blaze.

00:35:51.300 With that, we're going to wind down this show.

00:35:53.960 I don't know.

00:35:54.300 Kellen, did you catch any Super Chats?

00:35:57.780 I think there's one.

00:35:59.480 If you scroll all the way to the top, it'll show you.

00:36:01.540 I scroll all the way to the top.

00:36:03.200 Let's see.

00:36:04.380 All sorts of activity in chat.

00:36:05.940 Everyone's chopping up.

00:36:06.680 Logan Paul.

00:36:07.320 No, it wasn't Logan Paul.

00:36:08.200 It was Logan Hall.

00:36:09.380 Yeah, this is the only one I saw.

00:36:11.180 Whose life was destroyed?

00:36:12.840 The Capitol Police woman.

00:36:14.080 I think he's referring to the Brown.

00:36:17.560 Yeah, the first guy that popped up.

00:36:19.540 He had some vaguely leftist beliefs,

00:36:22.420 and so people on Twitter immediately dogpiled on the guy.

00:36:25.160 And it turns out he wasn't the guy,

00:36:26.900 and so now his name's going to forever be tarred.

00:36:31.160 Yeah, I mean, that's a whole different thing, too.

00:36:33.600 The Capitol Police pipe bombing.

00:36:35.500 We'll probably have to get into that at some point soon,

00:36:38.040 because that's also a wild story.

00:36:39.700 We've been blessed with quite a wild news cycle.

00:36:42.620 Unfortunately, it's not for good reason,

00:36:44.600 but there is quite a bit of things to sift through.

00:36:47.100 So, yeah, we've got to jump on that as well.

00:36:49.560 But with that, I think we'll wind this show down.

00:36:52.980 Kellen, if you want to get that raid going for DeVore,

00:36:55.100 we're going to send you guys over to the great DeVore Darkens for his show.

00:36:58.320 I want to thank Crowder.

00:36:59.220 He raided us at the top of the show.

00:37:00.980 Stephen Crowder, Mug Club.

00:37:01.880 I'm a proud Mug Club head.

00:37:04.460 We love Stephen Crowder.

00:37:05.700 Doing fantastic work over there.

00:37:07.360 We will be back tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern for Timcast IRL.

00:37:11.560 I believe it's Brian Shapiro on tonight,

00:37:13.320 so it's probably going to be more like a debate,

00:37:15.020 if you know anything about Brian Shapiro.

00:37:16.940 I'll be on that panel, so I'll get active.

00:37:19.580 Don't worry.

00:37:20.260 I'll be there.

00:37:20.780 I'll be there.

00:37:21.380 We'll go.

00:37:22.620 It'll be fun.

00:37:23.220 It'll be a good chat.

00:37:24.020 So with that, we will see you tonight.

00:37:26.660 You can follow me on X and Instagram at RealTateBrown.

00:37:29.820 Come give me a follow, and we will see you guys all later.

00:37:32.460 Thank you very much.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - December 17, 2025

Republicans CAVE On Robert E. Lee Statue, Culture Is Being ERASED ft. Logan Hall

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