SNAPOCALYPSE Could Spark Insurrection Act, Civil WAR, Leftists Say RIOTS COMING ft. Rudyard Lynch
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The food stamp program is going to be cut off on November 1st. Will there be food riots? Will the government crumble? Is the country headed for a revolution? Will food riots break out as a result? What will people do when the government cuts off food stamps? Is there a revolution on the horizon? In this episode, we talk about the link between mass youth unemployment and the likelihood of a political crisis in the United States.
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People's sort of mental frame is really short, and they only think in terms of a month.
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I think this is true even for the White House, where I don't think the U.S. government,
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right or left, makes decisions longer than—they're constantly thinking of the several-month
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And so when we're going to pull back, we're going to see this was all part of a singular
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Well, as most of you already know, the Snap-pocalypse is coming.
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November 1st, 42 million people will lose their food benefits, their food stamps.
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Trending on Google, quote, is they cutting food stamps?
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And people are predicting food riots, Trump invoking the Insurrection Act, or worse.
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The question is, with so many unemployed young people, will there be a political crisis?
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Well, I pulled up this from Gettysburg.edu, an abstract.
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It is a research paper that, well, doesn't prove anything, just adds to the validity of
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the claim that when you have a large portion of your population as unemployed young men,
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In this paper, I investigate the validity of the widely held assumption that higher rates
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of youth unemployment will lead to a state to experience internal armed conflict.
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I hypothesize that as youth unemployment rates increase, a state will have a larger number
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This can happen via three causal mechanisms, opportunity cost calculations, private frustrations,
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resentment and feelings of stagnation turned into public grievance, and three, an emotional
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and psychological triggers leading to participation in violent insurgent activities.
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I find that while youth unemployment does have a statistically significant influence on the
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number of internal armed conflicts within a given state, other variables have a far greater
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This research contributes to the growing body of literature arguing that the assumption above
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is empirically unsupported, and that more weight should be placed on other causal factors
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that have a far greater influence on the incidence of internal armed conflicts.
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The reason to highlight this is that I think it's actually fair to say it is not the principal
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By simply having unemployed people doesn't mean you'll have a revolution.
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That is to say, the individual doing the research paper still does agree.
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You will see in states with large unemployed youth an increase in armed conflict,
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but not as the driving factor, nor even the greatest.
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And that's why I'm highlighting snap-pocalypse.
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Cutting off food and food riots is a principal motivator.
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And research suggests that when people can't get food, governments crumble.
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So who will be ripped out of their seat of power?
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But you add that with the other ingredient of mass youth unemployment, and oh boy.
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So to better understand, we will be joined by Rudyard Lynch of What If Alt-Hist.
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Let's see if we can get this booted up properly.
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Whenever we get heightened senses of some kind of civil unrest, revolution, or otherwise,
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One is, you've talked about this for quite a bit, mass youth unemployment, and that as
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an indicator of internal armed conflict or unrest.
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But the bigger picture right now is what's being called the snap-pocalypse.
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Now, I'm not entirely convinced, I've said this before, that the Trump admin and Democrats
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But with 42 million people set to lose access to food in three days, I'm curious, you've
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Assuming the food benefits are gone, it happens.
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Um, so I try to reserve my points for basically being a dick, and I'll drop them here, but
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it's genuinely difficult to starve in America, and I try to be sympathetic to the struggles
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of the working classes today and the elite driving them down.
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But, I mean, lower-class Americans spend 60% of their income on rent, and America is the
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country in the world that spends the least on food.
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And so, although sort of there are people at the very bottom of the income range who
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might face issues due to this, we have to sort of zoom out and see this as a holistic
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issue, where food is like 1% or 2% or 3% of the equation of the things keeping lower-class
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And we might see extra violence, but from what I would guess, most of the people involved
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in this sort of, who would cause violence, are either sort of political radical types,
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where this is what they do professionally, or sort of professional criminals.
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And I don't think genuinely people who are trying to make ends meet are the type of people
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But there's 42 million people expected to lose their benefits.
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How many people do you really need to destabilize a system like this?
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It's the skill and the willpower and the placement, where when you look at previous revolutions, like
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the French or the Russian, it's all concentrated among sort of small, well-encapsulated, well-organized,
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political organizations, often people of middle-class or upper-class origin.
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And when they work, it's because they're able to get enough of the levers of power.
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And when you see genuinely lower-class revolutions, they tend to get crushed, like the peasant
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revolutions, because they don't have the experience in wielding power or the levers of power.
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So I mean, I think I'm frankly shocked that the average American has been able to pay their
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I don't think the removal of SNAP would change the political calculus.
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Actually, you know, now that you mention it, I think of North Korea.
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Everybody's starving there, but they're certainly not in revolution against their government.
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Yeah, that's something the communists are really good at, because they realized that if we just
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shoot all of the stakeholders in the system, we can maintain total power, because everyone
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But there is still, there's some concern about a general instability or food rights that might
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So there are, let's say 42 million people receive benefits, and we make the assumption
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that a large portion, a large portion of them are probably more moderate to right-leaning
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And they'll try and figure out, they'll go to food banks.
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But with 42 million, I mean, there's a strong probability that ne'er-do-wells are going to
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start looting stores, speculation that they'll steal shopping carts from people in the parking
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lots, and that will just create general instability, regardless of whether it's a revolution or otherwise.
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I mean, yeah, I think that's totally reasonable.
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Um, I'm going to reframe this in terms of, when you look at the last five years, the price
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And so when you're doing a breakdown of these sorts of things, um, this is sort of a drop
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in the bucket compared to the enormous inflation and rises in costs of everything.
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But when, uh, a camel's back is weighed down, a straw can break it.
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Um, and this is sort of the situation where it's not good that people, uh, aren't getting
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their food stamps, but at the same time, this entire situation is very messed up.
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And so you're, you're looking at, you're zooming out and you're sort of looking at a
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Are you suggesting that in and of itself, taking food away from a morbidly obese, I'm
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going to be a dick, but taking food stamps from a morbidly obese nation is not going to
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be the same as any other impoverished nation because Americans have easy access to food even
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It could be a straw that causes a cascade failure in other ways.
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So, well, then the question is, can the suspension of food stamps, irrespective of whether it's
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the food as the issue lead to, or be a catalyst for civil war revolution or, or some have speculated
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Trump will use it as a pretext to invoke the insurrection act and send out the national guard.
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I'd say that the, I mean, the government has been shut down for a month and that's significantly
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I mean, this is like, it just happens periodically now, like a blizzard, but this is longer than
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And it's part of a total package of, I heard that people who control the planes at airports,
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And keep in mind, the government makes up like 40% of the economy.
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So if 40% of the economy is not getting paid for, that's a huge sort of, uh, add to the
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How, how, how, how, how is the system supposed to survive when that's, when that's the reality?
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Um, this is one of those things historians look at as one of the historians sort of look
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at before the industrial revolution, the most powerful governments in the world were 3%
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Um, and now America's moderate compared to Europe in France, Germany, it's a majority
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And this is one of those just huge variables you've seen change in the last 200 years,
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So on top of this, we have this tremendous youth unemployment.
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And I just read this research paper from, uh, Gettys, what is it?
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Gettysburg.edu, where they said, while it does seem to contribute, countries with high
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youth unemployment tend to experience higher internal armed conflict.
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It doesn't seem to be the greatest cause or even, uh, uh, you know, the most significant.
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Do you think that the U S is facing a risk from youth unemployment and like, I suppose
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I mean, of course, uh, I'm surprised it's not worse actually, because I sometimes like
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to think that society is a conspiracy to stop Gen Z from getting hired, where you have mass
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immigration, where there were certain periods in the last five years when statistically a
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hundred percent of new jobs went to immigrants.
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And I double checked that that should be statistically impossible, but it's true.
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You have automating, you have AI, uh, offshoring, uh, and then, um, probably a variety of other
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things like the gig economy where you have this huge demographic of young people.
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If you look at Ivy leagues, their graduates are also having trouble getting hired.
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So you, and that's really dangerous because you're going to get a revolution or a civil
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Because when middle and upper class people who know people in power, or they have the
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ability to organize, or, I mean, something I'll throw in here is that a difference in
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America and Europe is America has an, can operate on an industrial scale in the private sector.
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So we have private sector militaries, we have private sector supply chains, people worth as
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And so a huge difference in America and Europe in this equation is that in America, the private
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sector has the ability to fight the government and the government in, in Europe, that's not
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It does seem like all of these factors are sort of peppered around and we're bubbling up.
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Like, you know, the way I described yesterday is it seems like every crisis is reaching,
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Like, as if, you know, I think it was Shane Cashman who said, it's not a season finale,
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Like, every possible problem is reaching its zenith.
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And so, like, you know, I'll put it another way, Luke Rutkowski has a t-shirt where it's
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like a pie chart of 1984, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, and it's in the middle, it says, you are
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Based on what you've read about, say, like the Spanish Revolution, France, the Bolsheviks, does
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it seem that way in the United States that we're kind of going through everything all
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And I was talking to my best friend about it last week and we call it sort of, imagine
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if there's a rope and then the rope is getting twisted and extended and it's gradually getting
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very thin, but somehow the rope is still there.
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And when the rope falls, it's all just going to go away.
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And it's weird where it almost feels like time moves very slowly and very quickly, where
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every single day we're bombarded with headlines and then you zoom out and then nothing ever
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And so it's a weird situation and it's going to go to a head.
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And I think we are in the historic equivalent of waiting at a doctor's office.
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But you know what I think about the nothing ever happens?
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It's because people base their lives off reading history books or watching movies.
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So I got into an argument with Grok recently because, as one does, we argue with fake entities
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No, but I did this because Will Chamberlain made the point that if Zoran Mandani wants
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to release all the criminals from Rikers, Trump should federalize and seize control of New
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Wall Street Mav on X asked Grok if he could, and Grok said no, which is incorrect.
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So seeing this, I asked Grok, if there is an insurrection, sedition or rebellion against
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the government, can the president seize control or the rights of individuals are being violated?
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To which it responded, he could, but the courts are going to say Trump can't do it.
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So I followed up with, except Abraham Lincoln did.
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It said, when Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, he was facing a genuine civil war.
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Now here's the point I'm making with, it seems like nothing ever happens.
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At the time when Abraham, and you're playing all this, but for the viewers, at the time
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when Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, it was, I think, a couple weeks after the
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Battle of Fort Sumter, and there was no civil war in the United States.
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No one thought a civil war was even possible, and the president suspended habeas corpus in
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his corridor from Pennsylvania through Maryland into D.C., and he even had members of the
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Maryland legislature arrested for being sympathetic.
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But when we read the history paragraph, we read it saying, Abraham Lincoln suspended
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habeas corpus, amassed troops, dispatched in the southern states.
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So every day, it seemed like an increment, a grain of sand, and that we're being bombarded
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by these crazy things, but nothing was happening.
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And then two years later, they went, hey, guys, we're in a civil war.
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I just, I guess, relate that to what we see now, and like, do you think that assessment
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Like, we are, history books will look back on this and condense it all, and then people
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will be like, I can't believe how much happened in such a short period of time.
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That's generally always what happens historically, where people tend to never predict that the
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And when they do, it's almost always sort of like people, the only people, or very few
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of the people who predicted World War I, were Teddy Roosevelt and Winston Churchill, because
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they had already studied the patterns for war and history, and they were studying geopolitics.
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It's also, people's sort of mental frame is really short, and they only think in terms
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I think this is true even for the White House, where I don't think the US government, right
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or left, makes decisions longer than, they're constantly thinking of the several-month headline.
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And so when we're going to pull back, we're going to see this was all part of a singular
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You know, the way I look at it, as you make that rope analogy, I look at it like we're actually
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And you look at all these different paths we can go down, and we are choosing which
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thread will be, you know, the color on the exterior, the thread that we follow.
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So to your point, right now, we are going, oh man, what might happen if SNAP benefits don't
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50 years from now, they're going to say, when they refused to pay out SNAP benefits, it
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led to food riots, it led to insurrection act, it led to governments seceding, who knows?
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And we don't know for sure, but in the future, it'll seem particularly obvious it was going
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And we'll think, how did we not see that coming?
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Oh, that's one of the weird things historians do that I hate, that the most insane event
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will occur, and then they'll retroactively try to rationalize it and why it was the only
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And then I'll go with that, and I think that was utterly insane, where if you have a figure
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like the Prophet Muhammad show up, single-handedly generate a religion that stretches across
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the entire known world that's bigger than America, and you can look at that and not think
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of anything besides what happened there, you were lying to yourself.
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So, outside of the speculation we have on SNAP, on unemployment, you know, a year ago, we
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had talked with you, and you had that prediction about 1,000 dead by, was it April or was it May?
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April, and while you were, you were wrong, and that's fine, I think you were right about
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the temperature being turned up because we saw a wave of terror attacks, the attacks on
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Tesla, the ICE terror attacks, of course, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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So, it wasn't as fast as you had described it, but, I mean, look, Charlie Kirk was just
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killed, and now we've got more threats of death and violence.
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Some guy got arrested for putting a bounty on Pam Bondi's head.
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What do you think is happening, and what do you think is going to happen?
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I stand largely by my earlier take that we're going to have a civil war or a revolution,
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because if you look at historical patterns, if something happens five years late, that's
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And so, if I, what I said afterwards is that my next take is that it's going to occur in
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the next four years, and if that doesn't happen, I'll just be wrong, and the nation will be in
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But what I'd say on top of that is there's no way to get the temperature back down, because
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one of the really scary things, and for you as a public figure, I'm sure this weighed on
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you, is that the left cheered on the death of Charlie Kirk, where even their moderates
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or their mainstream were at the very least okay with it.
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And when the temperature's turned up that much, it needs to burn out.
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I mean, I just showed a moment ago a poll from Gallup that among Democrats, only something
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like 30-some-odd percent are proud to be Americans.
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So the majority is, the majority of people in America very much support America, but
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the worldview of the Democrats is, it's a rocket shooting as far left as possible every single
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day, further and further and further in the most insane ways.
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And I feel like we've gotten to the point where the moral worldviews are too divergent to ever
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There was a clip from Joe Rogan that I talked about the other day, where he said, you know,
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people are just choosing teams because of tribe.
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And while that may be true in the initial break between left and right, you are not going
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You are never going to convince me that we should allow child drag shows.
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We should allow children to dance for a bunch of gay men and have dollar bills stuffed in
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And for years, you'll never convince me that abortion should be allowed to nine months.
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And the left's response is, you're fascist and you will never convince me otherwise.
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So you can't reduce the temperature when we can't even look at the same thing and find
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It's, um, so the Protestants and the Catholics killed each other for centuries and the Protestants
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and the Catholics or the English and the Irish share so much more than the right and the
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left, where, uh, the right and the left are just completely different civilizations at this
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And it's really remarkable that they exist in the same country at the same time as the
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Well, actually, I wouldn't describe the left as a civilization at all, because when you
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look at Zoran Nandani as a great example, he's basically the new face of the Democratic
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Party, arguably more prominent and popular right now than AOC, though, you know, he wasn't
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We don't got to worry about him being president.
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He said, I'm going to make all of the buses in New York free and I'll make them go faster.
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That, that he, he may as well say, I'm going to make lollipops, shoot out your butts.
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You're not, you're not doing anything about that.
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The other issue is it's a man, a man made speed limit.
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But when you have people whose policy views are not predicated upon something that can sustain
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life or make sense, that's not a civilization that is, that is the opposite of.
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And so if the, the right position is a comp, you know, the right in this country is a combination
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of political moderates, some liberals and many conservatives.
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And they're having a discussion about over what will make life function.
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And the left is just arguing for things that don't make sense.
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Abortion at nine months, child sex changes, make the bus faster, give everybody free stuff,
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So if they overcome, overtake the entirety of the U.S. system or global system, civilization
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I don't, I don't, there's no coexisting because they are just a chaotic and destructive force.
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I, I, I honestly, I'm, you know, there's an article arguing, uh, saying that there could be
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a revolution because of the unemployed young people.
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One of the outcomes may actually be a dejected dysfunctional ideology cannot win a battle.
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And what might happen is that young men who are largely reigning, uh, reigning, leaning
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Second time I did that leaning right in this country, invoke some kind of revolution towards
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a right wing system and just shut the left out.
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So the reason I say civilization has more to do with my internal sort of mental categorization
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system than that would, than what that word means, because when I compare civilizations,
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I look at what is your underlying view of human nature?
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Um, what do you value as your direction for the world?
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And in those terms, the left or the Marxists are more different from normal Western conservatives
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So it's a statement that they're just operating in a completely different cultural dimension.
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And the more you analyze how their worldview works, the more you realize that it's just
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a complete departure from any sane society in human history, where 99% of human, of societies
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in human history would broadly agree with things that modern conservatives say about how the
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And almost all of those societies would think that modern conservatives are pussies.
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And, um, the thing you said about, um, sort of, uh, not being reconcilable and the temperature
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getting turned up is these people are functionally communists and, uh, we know what communism does and
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it's killed more people than every other religion and ideology and history combined.
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You look at, um, the crusades, you look at the Roman empire, you look at the Vikings,
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and it's fascinating how American conservatives are the second most progressive liberal low
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T society in the history next to only the modern American left.
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And I'm not trying to be a dick, but, and actually it's a bit hyperbolic because you can look at
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Europe right now and see that they're all really, really bad.
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But the, let's just call it, call it this in the West today, the right leaning factions
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of, uh, of political dominance are as far left as you can go historically, except for the left
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of the modern today. So my point ultimately is, as you point out, conservatives in America are
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pussies relative to what every other society was, was capable or willing to do. I mean, let's just
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be real. They almost all had slaves. They were willing to take people and use them as property to
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their own ends and, uh, not advocating for that. But I, I certainly think we are seeing a shift where
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a lot of young men are saying, Hey, maybe we actually have to actually have to defend our
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values and enforce our way of life and stop just letting evil people do evil.
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Yeah. It's what I tell a lot of older conservatives that if you want a victory here,
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you can just take it. If you're an older conservative in a position of power worth money,
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if you just choose to fund young male conservatism in a reasonable and sort of competent way
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that you can just win because you have this huge demographic of sort of underemployed,
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highly competent, dissatisfied young men that you can pull from. And I think it's fundamentally
00:27:17.860
been a disaster for the boomer cons where there's a disconnect where the boomer cons are just utterly
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split off from the real world. And they're effectively leftist controlled opposition in many cases.
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And then the zoomer cons are just descending into madness as they care about these like petty
00:27:33.880
online status games. You know, I think about, uh, the, the, the increasing prominence of Nick
00:27:39.620
Fuentes. He's getting a lot of followers. I've met a young man who are big fans of his and it's because
00:27:45.700
he's saying things that most people are, are, are afraid to say. Now I don't, I don't agree with
00:27:51.080
him. I, to be honest, I haven't watched, I don't watch a lot of Nick Fuentes. So my presumption is on
00:27:55.900
the issue of like Jews in Israel. I'm completely uninterested and probably disagree, but he brings
00:28:00.360
up interesting points of race that have gone viral recently that young Gen Z guys, predominantly white
00:28:07.220
are watching him and saying, yes. And one example that I've brought up quite a bit is when Nick
00:28:11.800
Fuentes, he went massively viral for this on Instagram, like probably 50 million views where
00:28:16.060
he said, he said he didn't want to live near black people. And he said, you know what? Most people
00:28:21.100
don't, they're unwilling to say it, but everybody knows because they can look at the stats
00:28:25.500
and my point is you get these young guys, they watch Nick say that. They look at the stats,
00:28:31.880
they look at the housing market and property values, and they conclude clearly with property
00:28:37.760
values, historically, people don't want to live near black communities. So Nick's not wrong. Maybe
00:28:43.300
he's being a dick about it, but he's pointing out, you can't deny the housing market realities of
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property values decline. Historically, I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's a fact.
00:28:53.600
And then they realize the media has been lying to them about everything. Then they can see Asians,
00:28:59.980
Mexicans, black people, Jews, you name it, rallying around their ethnicity and race and then being
00:29:05.800
told white people can't. And they feel nihilistic. They have no opportunities. Jobs are going to
00:29:12.060
immigrants. And then here's a guy who's basically saying, America first, your identity matters.
00:29:16.760
These people are lying to you. I think Nick's going to continually get more and more prominence.
00:29:22.440
I don't know that he becomes, you know, a leader of Gen Z or anything. I'm curious if what you think,
00:29:29.060
however, or if you think there's a different faction that might actually be the dominant
00:29:32.160
faction among Gen Z resistant to the old system.
00:29:35.060
Um, I'm not, I don't think the Groypers can grow to become a dominant faction because they're too
00:29:44.060
nihilistic and they, they're not practical. Um, I, I think they're also not, they're not really
00:29:50.540
conservatives. If you look at their moral values, they're fairly similar to the left, um, where
00:29:56.220
they're modernists, they view the world through race. Uh, they, uh, they want the state to intervene,
00:30:02.520
um, because Nazism was national socialism. I mean, there's the huge void on the right that
00:30:08.600
someone can fill where, uh, because you've seen a consistent failure of the ability to take that
00:30:16.740
mantle where, uh, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's sad how many of the sort of great conservative
00:30:25.340
figures of the last few years, maybe that's an, that's too, a grandiose term, but I'm actually,
00:30:31.240
no, I don't think it is, but Charlie Kirk's dead. Jordan Peterson's taking a break from a break from
00:30:36.220
content. Chris Williamson is, uh, having various health issues. I think Candace was out, was two
00:30:42.680
weeks, was out for two weeks. And so it's disappointing where there's this huge sort of,
00:30:48.100
you've seen a loss of human capital and that could either be filled through very nihilistic
00:30:54.720
sort of, uh, ineffective low trust things, or it could be filled with good things. And we need to
00:31:02.840
make an active decision out of our own agency to avoid the bad outcome. I think that when you look
00:31:09.560
historically at every successful civilization, they were so, so much more fascistic or brutal
00:31:15.780
than the American right wing that any new emergent system that is going to be dominant in the United
00:31:23.680
States or even maintain power in the U S I mean, let's be real. Like the liberal economic order
00:31:28.180
was 10 times more brutal and fascistic than what we have now. These were people who said,
00:31:33.480
let's dominate the world through a system of finance and debt and massacre. Anybody who dares oppose us.
00:31:38.580
We don't even have that today. People are largely the younger generation is anti-intervention,
00:31:43.340
anti-war. If there is going to be a, whatever, whatever emerges from the rubble probably is,
00:31:47.940
is not something we're seeing today. No individual or group represents it because it's going to be much
00:31:52.720
more brutal than any of anybody wants to be. Yeah. Uh, I don't think the left is going to,
00:31:59.160
the left is going to struggle to survive because no one actually believes the things they say.
00:32:03.820
Um, the question of if they can sort of redirect into being, um, like stupid race communism is to be
00:32:10.060
seen. They could lower their IQ to survive. Um, but a new, new forces have to emerge to clean this up.
00:32:17.700
And I would not, I would not use the word fascistic because fascism is a very particular ideology
00:32:23.900
where the state controls everything. And I could see a brutal regime emerge, emerge or a brutal
00:32:29.600
ideology, but it could also be decentralized heroic violence like the middle ages. Yeah.
00:32:36.040
Or it could be aristocratic Republic or, um, military dictatorship where, or theocracy where the thing
00:32:44.680
I dislike about the Gripers is they assume that the only way to get back at the left is to be a
00:32:49.340
Nazi. And being a Nazi is one of the worst conservative political positions to pick.
00:32:54.100
My, my, my point of fascism was that when the left claims the right is fascist,
00:32:58.200
the right is so far away from fascism. And my point is that the liberal economic order and other
00:33:04.260
systems were substantially closer to, uh, uh, to fascism than anything we have today in America.
00:33:10.120
I mean, literally more so the, uh, like they say, because you do these things, you're a fascist
00:33:17.760
and you're like, yeah, like 2%. And previous dominant societies were like 17% in relation to what
00:33:25.500
the fascists. Like we are so far away from what they claim is the worst system, like projection,
00:33:30.720
even, even what's funny is even the Nazis and the fascists can be argued are not even, uh,
00:33:35.920
arguably the worst ideology that's ever existed. Although in modern history, most people view
00:33:40.520
a genocidal authoritarian regime to be the epitome of evil. You can go back and look at the Aztecs,
00:33:46.020
just like ripping people's hearts out and slaughtering them. And like, there are merciless
00:33:50.260
ideologies out there, but we, but we are at a time. Do you want to, uh, any other final thoughts
00:33:54.120
before we wrap up? No, this was a real pleasure. Thank you. You can check me out at my YouTube
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channels. What if Altist or History 102? Right on, Rudyard. Always a pleasure to have you. And
00:34:03.400
we'll, uh, we'll see you next time. Bye. Thank you. Take care. That was one of the easiest wrap
00:34:10.280
ups ever. Usually we, we wind it down a little bit, but yeah, man, unemployment is bad. And I think
00:34:17.440
something interesting in that conversation is, as I was saying, whatever dominant system is going to
00:34:23.320
emerge in this country, I don't think we've seen yet. I don't think we've seen yet because he makes
00:34:27.220
a great point. The American right is so much weaker than all of the dominant groups throughout
00:34:33.400
history. Communist China is way more brutal, way more brutal than we are. And in the arena of violence,
00:34:40.180
the most brutal guy wins. Noam Chomsky said, right? Are we willing to do what must be done to defend
00:34:45.280
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