The Culture War - Tim Pool - October 28, 2025


SNAPOCALYPSE Could Spark Insurrection Act, Civil WAR, Leftists Say RIOTS COMING ft. Rudyard Lynch


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The food stamp program is going to be cut off on November 1st. Will there be food riots? Will the government crumble? Is the country headed for a revolution? Will food riots break out as a result? What will people do when the government cuts off food stamps? Is there a revolution on the horizon? In this episode, we talk about the link between mass youth unemployment and the likelihood of a political crisis in the United States.

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00:00:00.240 People's sort of mental frame is really short, and they only think in terms of a month.
00:00:05.280 I think this is true even for the White House, where I don't think the U.S. government,
00:00:09.440 right or left, makes decisions longer than—they're constantly thinking of the several-month
00:00:14.200 headline.
00:00:14.960 And so when we're going to pull back, we're going to see this was all part of a singular
00:00:17.960 trajectory that we just ignored.
00:00:21.180 Is America headed for a revolution?
00:00:23.160 Well, as most of you already know, the Snap-pocalypse is coming.
00:00:27.260 November 1st, 42 million people will lose their food benefits, their food stamps.
00:00:33.840 Trending on Google, quote, is they cutting food stamps?
00:00:38.620 Is they stopping food stamps?
00:00:41.340 And people are predicting food riots, Trump invoking the Insurrection Act, or worse.
00:00:47.680 The question is, with so many unemployed young people, will there be a political crisis?
00:00:55.520 Well, I pulled up this from Gettysburg.edu, an abstract.
00:01:00.780 It is a research paper that, well, doesn't prove anything, just adds to the validity of
00:01:08.520 the claim that when you have a large portion of your population as unemployed young men,
00:01:14.080 revolution happens.
00:01:14.860 The abstract says,
00:01:16.820 In this paper, I investigate the validity of the widely held assumption that higher rates
00:01:19.740 of youth unemployment will lead to a state to experience internal armed conflict.
00:01:25.160 I hypothesize that as youth unemployment rates increase, a state will have a larger number
00:01:28.480 of internal armed conflicts occur annually.
00:01:34.820 This can happen via three causal mechanisms, opportunity cost calculations, private frustrations,
00:01:40.960 resentment and feelings of stagnation turned into public grievance, and three, an emotional
00:01:44.900 and psychological triggers leading to participation in violent insurgent activities.
00:01:49.400 I find that while youth unemployment does have a statistically significant influence on the
00:01:53.840 number of internal armed conflicts within a given state, other variables have a far greater
00:01:57.240 effect.
00:01:58.040 This research contributes to the growing body of literature arguing that the assumption above
00:02:01.640 is empirically unsupported, and that more weight should be placed on other causal factors
00:02:06.180 that have a far greater influence on the incidence of internal armed conflicts.
00:02:09.820 The reason to highlight this is that I think it's actually fair to say it is not the principal
00:02:13.500 motivator.
00:02:14.280 By simply having unemployed people doesn't mean you'll have a revolution.
00:02:17.500 However, it is a powerful ingredient.
00:02:21.800 That is to say, the individual doing the research paper still does agree.
00:02:26.640 You will see in states with large unemployed youth an increase in armed conflict,
00:02:31.320 but not as the driving factor, nor even the greatest.
00:02:34.220 Fair.
00:02:35.280 And that's why I'm highlighting snap-pocalypse.
00:02:38.720 Cutting off food and food riots is a principal motivator.
00:02:41.940 And research suggests that when people can't get food, governments crumble.
00:02:46.100 So who will be ripped out of their seat of power?
00:02:48.800 Trump?
00:02:49.780 The Democrats?
00:02:50.400 Honestly, I don't know.
00:02:51.720 But you add that with the other ingredient of mass youth unemployment, and oh boy.
00:02:56.960 So to better understand, we will be joined by Rudyard Lynch of What If Alt-Hist.
00:03:04.760 Let's see if we can get this booted up properly.
00:03:06.880 It looks like it is working just right.
00:03:10.280 Loading up now.
00:03:12.220 And I believe we are good.
00:03:14.100 Rudyard, welcome to the show.
00:03:16.000 Hi, how are you?
00:03:17.420 I'm doing well, and yourself?
00:03:19.760 Doing pretty good.
00:03:21.020 Thanks for having me on again.
00:03:22.400 Absolutely.
00:03:23.040 Whenever we get heightened senses of some kind of civil unrest, revolution, or otherwise,
00:03:28.660 you're the man to call.
00:03:30.060 So we got two big things to talk about.
00:03:31.640 One is, you've talked about this for quite a bit, mass youth unemployment, and that as
00:03:36.340 an indicator of internal armed conflict or unrest.
00:03:40.220 But the bigger picture right now is what's being called the snap-pocalypse.
00:03:44.420 Now, I'm not entirely convinced, I've said this before, that the Trump admin and Democrats
00:03:48.020 will allow food stamps to expire November 1st.
00:03:51.140 But with 42 million people set to lose access to food in three days, I'm curious, you've
00:03:58.520 been following this, and what do you think?
00:04:00.440 What do you think?
00:04:01.320 First, the more sensational question.
00:04:04.640 Assuming the food benefits are gone, it happens.
00:04:07.180 What do you think people do?
00:04:08.320 How do they react?
00:04:08.900 Um, so I try to reserve my points for basically being a dick, and I'll drop them here, but
00:04:16.860 it's genuinely difficult to starve in America, and I try to be sympathetic to the struggles 0.81
00:04:22.780 of the working classes today and the elite driving them down.
00:04:29.160 But, I mean, lower-class Americans spend 60% of their income on rent, and America is the 0.97
00:04:36.560 country in the world that spends the least on food.
00:04:38.700 And so, although sort of there are people at the very bottom of the income range who
00:04:45.700 might face issues due to this, we have to sort of zoom out and see this as a holistic
00:04:51.100 issue, where food is like 1% or 2% or 3% of the equation of the things keeping lower-class
00:04:59.480 Americans in poverty.
00:05:00.680 And we might see extra violence, but from what I would guess, most of the people involved
00:05:09.060 in this sort of, who would cause violence, are either sort of political radical types,
00:05:14.980 where this is what they do professionally, or sort of professional criminals.
00:05:19.220 And I don't think genuinely people who are trying to make ends meet are the type of people
00:05:24.560 who cause political issues.
00:05:25.680 But there's 42 million people expected to lose their benefits.
00:05:31.200 How many people do you really need to destabilize a system like this?
00:05:37.060 It's not the amount of people.
00:05:39.460 It's the skill and the willpower and the placement, where when you look at previous revolutions, like
00:05:47.640 the French or the Russian, it's all concentrated among sort of small, well-encapsulated, well-organized,
00:05:55.660 political organizations, often people of middle-class or upper-class origin.
00:06:00.980 And when they work, it's because they're able to get enough of the levers of power.
00:06:05.820 And when you see genuinely lower-class revolutions, they tend to get crushed, like the peasant 1.00
00:06:11.760 revolutions, because they don't have the experience in wielding power or the levers of power.
00:06:19.100 So I mean, I think I'm frankly shocked that the average American has been able to pay their
00:06:23.500 bills for this long.
00:06:24.500 I don't think the removal of SNAP would change the political calculus.
00:06:30.920 That's an interesting point.
00:06:31.680 Actually, you know, now that you mention it, I think of North Korea.
00:06:34.720 Everybody's starving there, but they're certainly not in revolution against their government.
00:06:38.960 Yeah, that's something the communists are really good at, because they realized that if we just
00:06:44.300 shoot all of the stakeholders in the system, we can maintain total power, because everyone
00:06:49.160 who can fight back is already working with us.
00:06:52.680 But there is still, there's some concern about a general instability or food rights that might
00:06:57.400 emerge from this.
00:06:59.100 So there are, let's say 42 million people receive benefits, and we make the assumption
00:07:03.960 that a large portion, a large portion of them are probably more moderate to right-leaning
00:07:08.720 or moderately liberal.
00:07:10.040 They're not going to riot.
00:07:11.200 They'll just be upset.
00:07:12.520 And they'll try and figure out, they'll go to food banks.
00:07:14.840 They'll try and figure something else out.
00:07:16.360 But with 42 million, I mean, there's a strong probability that ne'er-do-wells are going to
00:07:22.520 start looting stores, speculation that they'll steal shopping carts from people in the parking
00:07:27.180 lots, and that will just create general instability, regardless of whether it's a revolution or otherwise.
00:07:33.980 Yeah, I think that's reasonable.
00:07:36.140 I mean, yeah, I think that's totally reasonable.
00:07:39.200 Um, I'm going to reframe this in terms of, when you look at the last five years, the price
00:07:47.400 of rent for a lot of Americans has doubled.
00:07:49.840 And so when you're doing a breakdown of these sorts of things, um, this is sort of a drop
00:07:57.220 in the bucket compared to the enormous inflation and rises in costs of everything.
00:08:02.040 But when, uh, a camel's back is weighed down, a straw can break it.
00:08:08.500 Um, and this is sort of the situation where it's not good that people, uh, aren't getting
00:08:16.000 their food stamps, but at the same time, this entire situation is very messed up.
00:08:21.820 And so you're, you're looking at, you're zooming out and you're sort of looking at a
00:08:25.040 barren field of trash and it's not pleasant.
00:08:28.260 So, so let me try and, and, and simplify this.
00:08:32.100 Are you suggesting that in and of itself, taking food away from a morbidly obese, I'm
00:08:37.980 going to be a dick, but taking food stamps from a morbidly obese nation is not going to
00:08:41.920 be the same as any other impoverished nation because Americans have easy access to food even 0.98
00:08:46.160 without these benefits.
00:08:47.700 But we are on such brittle ground.
00:08:51.700 It could be a straw that causes a cascade failure in other ways.
00:08:55.080 Is that fair to say?
00:08:56.480 Yeah.
00:08:59.000 So, well, then the question is, can the suspension of food stamps, irrespective of whether it's
00:09:04.360 the food as the issue lead to, or be a catalyst for civil war revolution or, or some have speculated
00:09:09.980 Trump will use it as a pretext to invoke the insurrection act and send out the national guard.
00:09:15.040 I would say it's, I wouldn't go that far.
00:09:17.720 I'd say that the, I mean, the government has been shut down for a month and that's significantly
00:09:23.500 longer.
00:09:24.500 I mean, this is like, it just happens periodically now, like a blizzard, but this is longer than
00:09:31.380 usual.
00:09:32.260 And it's part of a total package of, I heard that people who control the planes at airports,
00:09:38.880 they weren't getting paid, public employees.
00:09:42.680 And keep in mind, the government makes up like 40% of the economy.
00:09:44.920 So if 40% of the economy is not getting paid for, that's a huge sort of, uh, add to the
00:09:54.300 societal instability.
00:09:56.840 Is that true?
00:09:57.380 Government is 40%?
00:09:59.240 Depends the metrics you use.
00:10:00.900 36.2%. 0.97
00:10:03.120 So, holy crap, that's insane. 0.87
00:10:08.440 How, how, how, how, how is the system supposed to survive when that's, when that's the reality? 0.99
00:10:12.160 I mean, that makes no sense.
00:10:13.700 So.
00:10:14.660 Yeah.
00:10:15.500 Um, this is one of those things historians look at as one of the historians sort of look
00:10:21.680 at before the industrial revolution, the most powerful governments in the world were 3%
00:10:27.020 of the economy.
00:10:28.200 Um, and now America's moderate compared to Europe in France, Germany, it's a majority 0.98
00:10:34.460 of the economy.
00:10:35.500 And this is one of those just huge variables you've seen change in the last 200 years,
00:10:40.520 which we've sort of agreed to ignore.
00:10:43.860 Wow.
00:10:44.880 So on top of this, we have this tremendous youth unemployment.
00:10:48.960 And I just read this research paper from, uh, Gettys, what is it?
00:10:52.780 Gettysburg.edu, where they said, while it does seem to contribute, countries with high
00:10:58.900 youth unemployment tend to experience higher internal armed conflict.
00:11:03.080 It doesn't seem to be the greatest cause or even, uh, uh, you know, the most significant.
00:11:08.920 Do you think that the U S is facing a risk from youth unemployment and like, I suppose 0.94
00:11:14.700 they call it nihilism.
00:11:16.480 Yeah.
00:11:16.680 I mean, of course, uh, I'm surprised it's not worse actually, because I sometimes like
00:11:21.960 to think that society is a conspiracy to stop Gen Z from getting hired, where you have mass 0.95
00:11:28.560 immigration, where there were certain periods in the last five years when statistically a
00:11:33.480 hundred percent of new jobs went to immigrants.
00:11:35.340 And I double checked that that should be statistically impossible, but it's true.
00:11:39.640 You have automating, you have AI, uh, offshoring, uh, and then, um, probably a variety of other
00:11:49.620 things like the gig economy where you have this huge demographic of young people.
00:11:54.880 And it, it, it also transcends social class.
00:11:58.160 If you look at Ivy leagues, their graduates are also having trouble getting hired.
00:12:03.240 So you, and that's really dangerous because you're going to get a revolution or a civil
00:12:08.220 war when elite aspirants have issues.
00:12:11.180 Because when middle and upper class people who know people in power, or they have the
00:12:18.320 ability to organize, or, I mean, something I'll throw in here is that a difference in
00:12:22.860 America and Europe is America has an, can operate on an industrial scale in the private sector.
00:12:30.840 So we have private sector militaries, we have private sector supply chains, people worth as
00:12:37.360 individuals more than entire countries.
00:12:40.160 And so a huge difference in America and Europe in this equation is that in America, the private
00:12:45.360 sector has the ability to fight the government and the government in, in Europe, that's not
00:12:49.240 the case.
00:12:50.240 Yeah.
00:12:51.240 It does seem like all of these factors are sort of peppered around and we're bubbling up.
00:12:56.240 Like, you know, the way I described yesterday is it seems like every crisis is reaching,
00:13:00.240 is being cranked up to 11.
00:13:02.240 Like, as if, you know, I think it was Shane Cashman who said, it's not a season finale,
00:13:07.600 it's a series finale.
00:13:08.640 Like, every possible problem is reaching its zenith.
00:13:12.900 And so, like, you know, I'll put it another way, Luke Rutkowski has a t-shirt where it's
00:13:19.440 like a pie chart of 1984, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, and it's in the middle, it says, you are
00:13:26.200 here.
00:13:26.720 All of those problems.
00:13:27.680 Based on what you've read about, say, like the Spanish Revolution, France, the Bolsheviks, does 0.69
00:13:33.040 it seem that way in the United States that we're kind of going through everything all
00:13:36.420 at once?
00:13:37.460 Yeah, I've had that exact same feeling.
00:13:39.740 And I was talking to my best friend about it last week and we call it sort of, imagine
00:13:44.460 if there's a rope and then the rope is getting twisted and extended and it's gradually getting
00:13:51.560 very thin, but somehow the rope is still there.
00:13:54.480 And when the rope falls, it's all just going to go away.
00:13:57.720 And it's weird where it almost feels like time moves very slowly and very quickly, where
00:14:02.840 every single day we're bombarded with headlines and then you zoom out and then nothing ever
00:14:08.000 happens.
00:14:09.600 And so it's a weird situation and it's going to go to a head.
00:14:13.600 And I think we are in the historic equivalent of waiting at a doctor's office.
00:14:19.340 Yeah, yeah.
00:14:21.800 But you know what I think about the nothing ever happens?
00:14:24.580 It's because people base their lives off reading history books or watching movies.
00:14:28.200 So I got into an argument with Grok recently because, as one does, we argue with fake entities
00:14:33.880 on the internet.
00:14:34.840 No, but I did this because Will Chamberlain made the point that if Zoran Mandani wants
00:14:40.020 to release all the criminals from Rikers, Trump should federalize and seize control of New
00:14:44.940 York.
00:14:45.740 Wall Street Mav on X asked Grok if he could, and Grok said no, which is incorrect.
00:14:51.500 So seeing this, I asked Grok, if there is an insurrection, sedition or rebellion against
00:14:56.940 the government, can the president seize control or the rights of individuals are being violated?
00:15:01.480 To which it responded, he could, but the courts are going to say Trump can't do it.
00:15:06.380 So I followed up with, except Abraham Lincoln did.
00:15:10.840 And what did Grok do?
00:15:12.360 It lied.
00:15:13.700 It said, when Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, he was facing a genuine civil war.
00:15:18.480 Now here's the point I'm making with, it seems like nothing ever happens.
00:15:23.860 At the time when Abraham, and you're playing all this, but for the viewers, at the time
00:15:27.080 when Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, it was, I think, a couple weeks after the
00:15:31.520 Battle of Fort Sumter, and there was no civil war in the United States.
00:15:34.680 No one thought a civil war was even possible, and the president suspended habeas corpus in
00:15:39.640 his corridor from Pennsylvania through Maryland into D.C., and he even had members of the
00:15:45.020 Maryland legislature arrested for being sympathetic.
00:15:47.960 This was before the first Battle of Bull Run.
00:15:50.880 But when we read the history paragraph, we read it saying, Abraham Lincoln suspended
00:15:56.160 habeas corpus, amassed troops, dispatched in the southern states.
00:15:59.240 The southern states seceded from the Union.
00:16:00.660 Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:16:01.800 This was over a period of months.
00:16:03.580 So every day, it seemed like an increment, a grain of sand, and that we're being bombarded
00:16:10.060 by these crazy things, but nothing was happening.
00:16:11.940 And then two years later, they went, hey, guys, we're in a civil war.
00:16:18.780 I just, I guess, relate that to what we see now, and like, do you think that assessment
00:16:23.140 is correct, I suppose?
00:16:24.220 Like, we are, history books will look back on this and condense it all, and then people
00:16:30.120 will be like, I can't believe how much happened in such a short period of time.
00:16:33.840 Yeah, that's definitely going to happen.
00:16:35.340 That's generally always what happens historically, where people tend to never predict that the
00:16:41.160 war that's about to happen will.
00:16:43.280 And when they do, it's almost always sort of like people, the only people, or very few
00:16:49.620 of the people who predicted World War I, were Teddy Roosevelt and Winston Churchill, because
00:16:53.340 they had already studied the patterns for war and history, and they were studying geopolitics.
00:16:58.060 But for everyone else, it was unimaginable.
00:17:00.260 And that's normally the case.
00:17:03.060 It's also, people's sort of mental frame is really short, and they only think in terms
00:17:08.700 of a month.
00:17:09.280 I think this is true even for the White House, where I don't think the US government, right
00:17:14.080 or left, makes decisions longer than, they're constantly thinking of the several-month headline.
00:17:19.720 And so when we're going to pull back, we're going to see this was all part of a singular
00:17:22.440 trajectory that we just ignored.
00:17:25.580 Right.
00:17:26.220 You know, the way I look at it, as you make that rope analogy, I look at it like we're actually
00:17:31.260 winding the rope itself.
00:17:33.440 We're braiding the threads into a rope.
00:17:35.520 And you look at all these different paths we can go down, and we are choosing which
00:17:41.460 thread will be, you know, the color on the exterior, the thread that we follow.
00:17:45.460 So to your point, right now, we are going, oh man, what might happen if SNAP benefits don't
00:17:51.540 get paid out?
00:17:52.440 50 years from now, they're going to say, when they refused to pay out SNAP benefits, it
00:17:56.240 led to food riots, it led to insurrection act, it led to governments seceding, who knows?
00:18:01.120 And we don't know for sure, but in the future, it'll seem particularly obvious it was going
00:18:04.900 to happen.
00:18:05.420 And we'll think, how did we not see that coming?
00:18:08.280 But yeah, go ahead.
00:18:09.820 Oh, that's one of the weird things historians do that I hate, that the most insane event
00:18:14.580 will occur, and then they'll retroactively try to rationalize it and why it was the only
00:18:19.360 acceptable option.
00:18:20.760 Right.
00:18:20.920 And then I'll go with that, and I think that was utterly insane, where if you have a figure
00:18:24.880 like the Prophet Muhammad show up, single-handedly generate a religion that stretches across
00:18:30.040 the entire known world that's bigger than America, and you can look at that and not think
00:18:35.840 of anything besides what happened there, you were lying to yourself.
00:18:40.380 Right.
00:18:41.260 So, outside of the speculation we have on SNAP, on unemployment, you know, a year ago, we
00:18:47.080 had talked with you, and you had that prediction about 1,000 dead by, was it April or was it May?
00:18:52.640 April, yeah.
00:18:53.220 April, and while you were, you were wrong, and that's fine, I think you were right about
00:19:00.520 the temperature being turned up because we saw a wave of terror attacks, the attacks on
00:19:04.160 Tesla, the ICE terror attacks, of course, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
00:19:08.480 So, it wasn't as fast as you had described it, but, I mean, look, Charlie Kirk was just
00:19:13.300 killed, and now we've got more threats of death and violence.
00:19:16.300 Some guy got arrested for putting a bounty on Pam Bondi's head.
00:19:19.200 Where are you at right now?
00:19:20.360 What do you think is happening, and what do you think is going to happen?
00:19:24.000 I stand largely by my earlier take that we're going to have a civil war or a revolution,
00:19:29.180 because if you look at historical patterns, if something happens five years late, that's
00:19:35.860 still a blink of an eye historically.
00:19:38.080 And so, if I, what I said afterwards is that my next take is that it's going to occur in
00:19:44.640 the next four years, and if that doesn't happen, I'll just be wrong, and the nation will be in
00:19:48.940 a better place.
00:19:49.960 And that's a good thing.
00:19:51.360 Yeah, yeah.
00:19:51.940 But what I'd say on top of that is there's no way to get the temperature back down, because
00:20:00.820 one of the really scary things, and for you as a public figure, I'm sure this weighed on
00:20:05.060 you, is that the left cheered on the death of Charlie Kirk, where even their moderates
00:20:10.840 or their mainstream were at the very least okay with it.
00:20:14.840 And you can't go back from knowing that.
00:20:17.120 And when the temperature's turned up that much, it needs to burn out.
00:20:22.000 I agree.
00:20:23.540 I mean, I just showed a moment ago a poll from Gallup that among Democrats, only something
00:20:28.880 like 30-some-odd percent are proud to be Americans.
00:20:33.120 Republicans, it's 92.
00:20:35.160 Independents, 53.
00:20:36.040 So the majority is, the majority of people in America very much support America, but
00:20:40.960 the worldview of the Democrats is, it's a rocket shooting as far left as possible every single
00:20:49.580 day, further and further and further in the most insane ways.
00:20:52.760 And I feel like we've gotten to the point where the moral worldviews are too divergent to ever
00:20:58.720 come back.
00:20:59.600 There was a clip from Joe Rogan that I talked about the other day, where he said, you know,
00:21:04.860 people are just choosing teams because of tribe. 1.00
00:21:06.920 This is so stupid. 1.00
00:21:07.500 We shouldn't do this. 1.00
00:21:08.580 And while that may be true in the initial break between left and right, you are not going
00:21:13.700 to reconcile.
00:21:15.180 You are never going to convince me that we should allow child drag shows. 0.98
00:21:20.260 We should allow children to dance for a bunch of gay men and have dollar bills stuffed in 0.99
00:21:25.100 their pants, which is what they've been doing. 0.97
00:21:26.900 And for years, you'll never convince me that abortion should be allowed to nine months.
00:21:30.700 And the left's response is, you're fascist and you will never convince me otherwise.
00:21:35.900 So you can't reduce the temperature when we can't even look at the same thing and find
00:21:41.920 a path forward together.
00:21:43.860 Yeah, I very much agree.
00:21:45.460 It's, um, so the Protestants and the Catholics killed each other for centuries and the Protestants 0.99
00:21:51.840 and the Catholics or the English and the Irish share so much more than the right and the
00:21:56.740 left, where, uh, the right and the left are just completely different civilizations at this
00:22:03.460 point.
00:22:04.020 Yeah.
00:22:04.340 And they're not willing to compromise.
00:22:06.700 And it's really remarkable that they exist in the same country at the same time as the
00:22:11.080 other.
00:22:11.400 Well, actually, I wouldn't describe the left as a civilization at all, because when you
00:22:17.740 look at Zoran Nandani as a great example, he's basically the new face of the Democratic
00:22:21.420 Party, arguably more prominent and popular right now than AOC, though, you know, he wasn't
00:22:26.480 born here.
00:22:26.860 We don't got to worry about him being president.
00:22:28.500 But what is he promising?
00:22:30.300 He said, I'm going to make all of the buses in New York free and I'll make them go faster. 0.99
00:22:36.040 That, that he, he may as well say, I'm going to make lollipops, shoot out your butts. 1.00
00:22:42.300 It's a nonsense statement. 0.99
00:22:43.680 The buses can drive faster if they want.
00:22:45.140 The problem is traffic.
00:22:46.920 You're not, you're not doing anything about that.
00:22:48.720 This is banning cars.
00:22:49.860 The other issue is it's a man, a man made speed limit.
00:22:54.720 But when you have people whose policy views are not predicated upon something that can sustain
00:23:00.180 life or make sense, that's not a civilization that is, that is the opposite of.
00:23:06.480 And so if the, the right position is a comp, you know, the right in this country is a combination
00:23:11.180 of political moderates, some liberals and many conservatives.
00:23:14.340 And they're having a discussion about over what will make life function.
00:23:17.860 And the left is just arguing for things that don't make sense.
00:23:21.040 Abortion at nine months, child sex changes, make the bus faster, give everybody free stuff,
00:23:26.220 free food, free childcare.
00:23:27.120 That is nonsensical.
00:23:28.880 That is not math.
00:23:29.720 They think two plus two equals five.
00:23:32.160 Whatever they do will eventually burn out.
00:23:35.340 So if they overcome, overtake the entirety of the U.S. system or global system, civilization
00:23:40.540 collapses outright.
00:23:42.580 I don't, I don't, there's no coexisting because they are just a chaotic and destructive force.
00:23:49.100 I, I, I honestly, I'm, you know, there's an article arguing, uh, saying that there could be
00:23:54.860 a revolution because of the unemployed young people.
00:23:57.120 One of the outcomes may actually be a dejected dysfunctional ideology cannot win a battle.
00:24:03.580 And what might happen is that young men who are largely reigning, uh, reigning, leaning
00:24:09.100 right.
00:24:09.600 Second time I did that leaning right in this country, invoke some kind of revolution towards
00:24:13.820 a right wing system and just shut the left out.
00:24:16.200 But I'm curious if you agree.
00:24:17.920 So the reason I say civilization has more to do with my internal sort of mental categorization
00:24:24.680 system than that would, than what that word means, because when I compare civilizations,
00:24:28.880 I look at what is your underlying view of human nature?
00:24:33.260 Um, what do you value as your direction for the world?
00:24:36.880 How do you organize your society?
00:24:38.700 And in those terms, the left or the Marxists are more different from normal Western conservatives
00:24:45.820 than they are from Islam.
00:24:47.700 Yeah.
00:24:48.260 So it's a statement that they're just operating in a completely different cultural dimension.
00:24:52.140 And the more you analyze how their worldview works, the more you realize that it's just
00:24:56.840 a complete departure from any sane society in human history, where 99% of human, of societies
00:25:03.640 in human history would broadly agree with things that modern conservatives say about how the
00:25:08.700 world works. 0.99
00:25:09.580 And almost all of those societies would think that modern conservatives are pussies. 0.99
00:25:14.340 They think we're way too into the left. 0.99
00:25:16.780 And, um, the thing you said about, um, sort of, uh, not being reconcilable and the temperature
00:25:24.080 getting turned up is these people are functionally communists and, uh, we know what communism does and
00:25:32.240 it's killed more people than every other religion and ideology and history combined.
00:25:37.800 You look at, um, the crusades, you look at the Roman empire, you look at the Vikings,
00:25:43.500 and it's fascinating how American conservatives are the second most progressive liberal low
00:25:51.260 T society in the history next to only the modern American left.
00:25:54.960 And I'm not trying to be a dick, but, and actually it's a bit hyperbolic because you can look at
00:26:00.400 Europe right now and see that they're all really, really bad.
00:26:03.460 But the, let's just call it, call it this in the West today, the right leaning factions
00:26:10.340 of, uh, of political dominance are as far left as you can go historically, except for the left
00:26:17.680 of the modern today. So my point ultimately is, as you point out, conservatives in America are
00:26:22.440 pussies relative to what every other society was, was capable or willing to do. I mean, let's just 0.99
00:26:28.060 be real. They almost all had slaves. They were willing to take people and use them as property to
00:26:32.580 their own ends and, uh, not advocating for that. But I, I certainly think we are seeing a shift where
00:26:39.040 a lot of young men are saying, Hey, maybe we actually have to actually have to defend our
00:26:44.360 values and enforce our way of life and stop just letting evil people do evil.
00:26:49.520 Yeah. It's what I tell a lot of older conservatives that if you want a victory here,
00:26:54.020 you can just take it. If you're an older conservative in a position of power worth money,
00:26:58.300 if you just choose to fund young male conservatism in a reasonable and sort of competent way
00:27:06.080 that you can just win because you have this huge demographic of sort of underemployed,
00:27:12.160 highly competent, dissatisfied young men that you can pull from. And I think it's fundamentally
00:27:17.860 been a disaster for the boomer cons where there's a disconnect where the boomer cons are just utterly
00:27:23.520 split off from the real world. And they're effectively leftist controlled opposition in many cases.
00:27:29.320 And then the zoomer cons are just descending into madness as they care about these like petty 1.00
00:27:33.880 online status games. You know, I think about, uh, the, the, the increasing prominence of Nick
00:27:39.620 Fuentes. He's getting a lot of followers. I've met a young man who are big fans of his and it's because
00:27:45.700 he's saying things that most people are, are, are afraid to say. Now I don't, I don't agree with
00:27:51.080 him. I, to be honest, I haven't watched, I don't watch a lot of Nick Fuentes. So my presumption is on
00:27:55.900 the issue of like Jews in Israel. I'm completely uninterested and probably disagree, but he brings 0.66
00:28:00.360 up interesting points of race that have gone viral recently that young Gen Z guys, predominantly white
00:28:07.220 are watching him and saying, yes. And one example that I've brought up quite a bit is when Nick
00:28:11.800 Fuentes, he went massively viral for this on Instagram, like probably 50 million views where 0.92
00:28:16.060 he said, he said he didn't want to live near black people. And he said, you know what? Most people 0.99
00:28:21.100 don't, they're unwilling to say it, but everybody knows because they can look at the stats
00:28:25.500 and my point is you get these young guys, they watch Nick say that. They look at the stats,
00:28:31.880 they look at the housing market and property values, and they conclude clearly with property
00:28:37.760 values, historically, people don't want to live near black communities. So Nick's not wrong. Maybe 1.00
00:28:43.300 he's being a dick about it, but he's pointing out, you can't deny the housing market realities of 0.98
00:28:49.280 property values decline. Historically, I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's a fact. 0.96
00:28:53.600 And then they realize the media has been lying to them about everything. Then they can see Asians, 0.98
00:28:59.980 Mexicans, black people, Jews, you name it, rallying around their ethnicity and race and then being
00:29:05.800 told white people can't. And they feel nihilistic. They have no opportunities. Jobs are going to 0.95
00:29:12.060 immigrants. And then here's a guy who's basically saying, America first, your identity matters.
00:29:16.760 These people are lying to you. I think Nick's going to continually get more and more prominence.
00:29:22.440 I don't know that he becomes, you know, a leader of Gen Z or anything. I'm curious if what you think,
00:29:29.060 however, or if you think there's a different faction that might actually be the dominant
00:29:32.160 faction among Gen Z resistant to the old system.
00:29:35.060 Um, I'm not, I don't think the Groypers can grow to become a dominant faction because they're too 1.00
00:29:44.060 nihilistic and they, they're not practical. Um, I, I think they're also not, they're not really
00:29:50.540 conservatives. If you look at their moral values, they're fairly similar to the left, um, where
00:29:56.220 they're modernists, they view the world through race. Uh, they, uh, they want the state to intervene,
00:30:02.520 um, because Nazism was national socialism. I mean, there's the huge void on the right that 0.63
00:30:08.600 someone can fill where, uh, because you've seen a consistent failure of the ability to take that
00:30:16.740 mantle where, uh, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's sad how many of the sort of great conservative
00:30:25.340 figures of the last few years, maybe that's an, that's too, a grandiose term, but I'm actually,
00:30:31.240 no, I don't think it is, but Charlie Kirk's dead. Jordan Peterson's taking a break from a break from
00:30:36.220 content. Chris Williamson is, uh, having various health issues. I think Candace was out, was two
00:30:42.680 weeks, was out for two weeks. And so it's disappointing where there's this huge sort of,
00:30:48.100 you've seen a loss of human capital and that could either be filled through very nihilistic
00:30:54.720 sort of, uh, ineffective low trust things, or it could be filled with good things. And we need to
00:31:02.840 make an active decision out of our own agency to avoid the bad outcome. I think that when you look
00:31:09.560 historically at every successful civilization, they were so, so much more fascistic or brutal
00:31:15.780 than the American right wing that any new emergent system that is going to be dominant in the United
00:31:23.680 States or even maintain power in the U S I mean, let's be real. Like the liberal economic order
00:31:28.180 was 10 times more brutal and fascistic than what we have now. These were people who said,
00:31:33.480 let's dominate the world through a system of finance and debt and massacre. Anybody who dares oppose us.
00:31:38.580 We don't even have that today. People are largely the younger generation is anti-intervention,
00:31:43.340 anti-war. If there is going to be a, whatever, whatever emerges from the rubble probably is,
00:31:47.940 is not something we're seeing today. No individual or group represents it because it's going to be much
00:31:52.720 more brutal than any of anybody wants to be. Yeah. Uh, I don't think the left is going to,
00:31:59.160 the left is going to struggle to survive because no one actually believes the things they say. 0.98
00:32:03.820 Um, the question of if they can sort of redirect into being, um, like stupid race communism is to be 1.00
00:32:10.060 seen. They could lower their IQ to survive. Um, but a new, new forces have to emerge to clean this up. 1.00
00:32:17.700 And I would not, I would not use the word fascistic because fascism is a very particular ideology
00:32:23.900 where the state controls everything. And I could see a brutal regime emerge, emerge or a brutal
00:32:29.600 ideology, but it could also be decentralized heroic violence like the middle ages. Yeah.
00:32:36.040 Or it could be aristocratic Republic or, um, military dictatorship where, or theocracy where the thing
00:32:44.680 I dislike about the Gripers is they assume that the only way to get back at the left is to be a
00:32:49.340 Nazi. And being a Nazi is one of the worst conservative political positions to pick.
00:32:54.100 My, my, my point of fascism was that when the left claims the right is fascist,
00:32:58.200 the right is so far away from fascism. And my point is that the liberal economic order and other
00:33:04.260 systems were substantially closer to, uh, uh, to fascism than anything we have today in America.
00:33:10.120 I mean, literally more so the, uh, like they say, because you do these things, you're a fascist
00:33:17.760 and you're like, yeah, like 2%. And previous dominant societies were like 17% in relation to what
00:33:25.500 the fascists. Like we are so far away from what they claim is the worst system, like projection,
00:33:30.720 even, even what's funny is even the Nazis and the fascists can be argued are not even, uh,
00:33:35.920 arguably the worst ideology that's ever existed. Although in modern history, most people view
00:33:40.520 a genocidal authoritarian regime to be the epitome of evil. You can go back and look at the Aztecs, 1.00
00:33:46.020 just like ripping people's hearts out and slaughtering them. And like, there are merciless 0.97
00:33:50.260 ideologies out there, but we, but we are at a time. Do you want to, uh, any other final thoughts
00:33:54.120 before we wrap up? No, this was a real pleasure. Thank you. You can check me out at my YouTube
00:33:58.540 channels. What if Altist or History 102? Right on, Rudyard. Always a pleasure to have you. And
00:34:03.400 we'll, uh, we'll see you next time. Bye. Thank you. Take care. That was one of the easiest wrap
00:34:10.280 ups ever. Usually we, we wind it down a little bit, but yeah, man, unemployment is bad. And I think
00:34:17.440 something interesting in that conversation is, as I was saying, whatever dominant system is going to
00:34:23.320 emerge in this country, I don't think we've seen yet. I don't think we've seen yet because he makes
00:34:27.220 a great point. The American right is so much weaker than all of the dominant groups throughout
00:34:33.400 history. Communist China is way more brutal, way more brutal than we are. And in the arena of violence,
00:34:40.180 the most brutal guy wins. Noam Chomsky said, right? Are we willing to do what must be done to defend
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