The Culture War - Tim Pool - Starmer Implodes as Nigel Farage Destroys the Tories

00:00:00.680 What is going on, everybody? We are back. Across the Pond is back for the great year of 2026.

00:00:07.080 I don't know about you, Connor. I have a really good feeling about 2026. I think this is going

00:00:10.480 to be the year of the Patriot. You know, it seems like spirits are high. The edits have

00:00:15.940 never been better, in my opinion. Some of the posters are now firing on all cylinders.

00:00:20.300 I've seen some great posts coming into 2026, but it's been like probably like a month since

00:00:25.240 we've been on camera together. What's going on? Give me some updates. What's going on

00:00:29.220 in the world of Connor? Well, nothing too joyous to report personally. I am not as optimistic

00:00:38.140 as you about 2026 being the year of the Patriot, but that's because we're currently abolishing

00:00:42.260 jury trials over in the UK, potentially banning X unless President Trump steps in as the likes

00:00:48.500 of Sarah Rogers has threatened to do. And I thought that 2026 was going to be mild but

00:00:55.000 also wild until yesterday. And the opposition party, the Conservative Party, finally decided

00:01:02.820 it wanted to achieve zero seats and speedrun towards electoral obsolescence because a bunch

00:01:08.760 of contingency plans of money power just came crashing down all at once. And the presumptive

00:01:14.720 guy that would take over the Yoruba girlboss who's currently leading the Conservative Party,

00:01:19.880 Kimmy Badenoch, as leader, decided to jump ship to Nigel Farage's Reform UK and position

00:01:24.140 himself as the J.D. Vance to Farage's Trump. Everything just turned overnight. So my cynicism

00:01:31.520 is not necessarily vindicated. It turns out 2026 is going to be more fun than I thought.

00:01:35.660 Yeah, yeah. We were coming in and, you know, I think everyone was just expecting to reform

00:01:40.120 to continue trudging along. I don't think anyone anticipated, well, maybe some are Patriots

00:01:45.340 in the know anticipated, but Rupert Lowe just completely dropping a nuclear bomb on the entire

00:01:49.260 political right zeitgeist. This was yesterday. Can you break down maybe the too long didn't

00:01:54.640 read of what exactly went down yesterday, especially because Twitter is down. So I think a lot of

00:01:59.320 people have missed quite a bit of the action over the last 24 hours. That's why everyone's attention

00:02:05.140 span has lengthened and their mood has improved. I'm going to assume something in the air. So at the

00:02:10.040 start of the week, Reform UK took in Nadim Zahawi. It's a name that's not going to mean

00:02:15.200 much to those in America. But he came to the UK when he was, believe, nine from Iraqi Kurdistan.

00:02:25.180 His parents fled Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist regime. His dad was on like banknotes. So he's

00:02:30.260 part of the regime prior to the Ba'athists. And he enmeshed himself in conservative party

00:02:35.240 politics. He founded YouGov, the sort of international polling company. So he's a very rich businessman.

00:02:40.820 In 2013, he was at Oxford Union arguing against Douglas Murray while he was an MP, demanding that

00:02:46.940 Britain bring in loads of Somalians so that Somalians can send remittances back to Somalia.

00:02:51.580 Otherwise, the Somali economy would collapse. He's that kind of conservative, right?

00:02:54.880 Right.

00:02:54.960 He was a minister under Boris Johnson. He was our equivalent of Anthony Fauci for a little bit.

00:02:58.880 He was the head of the vaccine rollout during COVID lockdowns. He introduced COVID passports,

00:03:03.120 vaccine passports. He was education secretary and wanted to abolish homeschooling or make

00:03:09.500 it at least so punitive that parents couldn't homeschool. And then he was chancellor for

00:03:14.040 like a week and then chair of the conservative party, at which point he was kicked out as

00:03:18.720 chair because it turns out that while he was chancellor, he failed to pay like 3.7 million

00:03:22.840 pounds in taxes and had to pay like 4.8 million total with like a penalty on top. So he's one

00:03:28.400 of the crooks that oversaw the Boris wave and reform celebrated him defecting. They even

00:03:33.420 changed their Twitter header to a photo of him borderline hugging Nigel Farage. And at

00:03:38.700 the press conference, he was, he was insulting journalists who had said, Hey, reform is going

00:03:43.260 to do an inquiry into COVID vaccine damage and they condemned lockdowns and passports and

00:03:48.260 that. So why are you in this party? Have you changed your mind? And he was saying that journalists

00:03:51.500 are stupid for asking it. He himself, I believe is a Muslim as well. So it's this conspicuous,

00:03:57.080 slow drip of not just conservative defectors from Boris Johnson's own cabinet. So reform

00:04:03.220 exists because of the Boris wave and yet they're trying to replace the Tories, but also replace

00:04:08.240 their own personnel with the Tories that they're meant to be reacting against. Very confusing,

00:04:12.600 but also this sort of filling up of reform's top brass with Muslim candidates or Muslim politicians.

00:04:17.500 And this is unthinkable to, to most of the European right and loads of our patriots in America

00:04:22.480 who see reform as kind of Britain's MAGA movement and think, okay, London is becoming

00:04:28.840 Londonistan. You know, Britain is, is on the cusp of becoming a nuclear armed Muslim nation as vice

00:04:34.600 president Vance joked in 2024. And then they look over our right-wing populist party and see

00:04:39.060 Muhammad Zia Yusuf, the former chairman, now parent heir apparent to Nigel Farage's crown is the guy that

00:04:46.320 called the police on Rupert Lowe. They see Layla Cunningham become the London mayoral candidate for

00:04:51.620 reform. And she's an Egyptian Muslim mother of seven who also used to post pro-diversity poetry,

00:04:56.740 go on pride marches and was nearly the conservative candidate for Rotherham. Yeah. You know, the

00:05:01.180 Pakistani grooming gang capital of Britain back in 2024. So she was nearly parachuted in there.

00:05:05.680 So now reformer running a Muslim against Muslim Sadiq Khan to reform on the Muslim mayor of London.

00:05:09.880 And then they take in a Muslim mass migration, mass vaccination apologist. And so the day after that,

00:05:16.540 they then take in, or two days after that, they then take in 20 councillors from mainly the

00:05:22.480 conservatives, independents, and one Green Party councillor for some godforsaken reason.

00:05:27.180 They just take them all in.

00:05:28.040 That's a beast of populism, Connor. This is based, it's not about left versus right,

00:05:31.860 it's about us versus the elite, Connor. Come on.

00:05:34.000 Yeah, we're going to fight the unit party by becoming the literal unit party. We're going

00:05:38.040 to become a refugee camp for every single person from every other party who wants to save or

00:05:42.840 rehabilitate their failed political careers. And so loads of reform voters, including myself,

00:05:50.280 because I voted for them before, despite, you know, being banned from the party for saying

00:05:53.140 some things that Top Brass didn't like, they were just ratioing them on Twitter. And obviously

00:05:57.020 Twitter isn't necessarily real life, but then the sort of average voter started calling into

00:06:01.120 the radio stations and leaving comments on all of the articles on GB News and things like that,

00:06:06.020 which are borderline reform propaganda outfits at this point. I mean, literally, the hosts of the

00:06:09.980 shows are either reform MPs or reform MPs in waiting. And then the hosts on talk are training

00:06:14.980 reform MPs in media training. So both of these entities are just pro-reform. But loads of the

00:06:20.440 callers started phoning in and telling the reform chairman, oh, I'm not going to vote reform anymore

00:06:25.420 because you're a party full of Muslims and Muslim Tories and it's meant to be for British people first.

00:06:29.340 And then the chairman just goes, no, these people are British. And it's like, if you have to convince

00:06:32.960 people they're British, they're not British. Like, come on. So after that wink of abhorrent

00:06:37.200 bad press to the point of where Nigel Farage had to sit there and go, we're not going to become

00:06:41.020 a life raft for conservatives. We're not going to accept any more Tory defectors and that they're

00:06:44.400 beneficial to us. It turns out that when they were about to announce their head of the reform

00:06:51.000 Scotland campaign, because we've got elections coming up, local elections and elections in Wales and

00:06:55.280 Scotland in May, as he convened the press conference, Kimi Badenoch, the Nigerian immigrant who leads

00:07:01.600 up the Conservative Party after she personally campaigned for the Boris wave, she announced

00:07:07.520 that Robert Jenrick, who was her leadership campaign rival in 2024, Jenrick's the guy who's

00:07:12.920 been going around doing these slick social media videos talking about the abolition of Magda

00:07:16.580 Carter, the fact that we imported this Egyptian revolutionary who was sitting in a prison for the last,

00:07:23.520 what, like 10 years, basically, who had a decade-long history of saying that he wanted to nuke

00:07:30.300 London and do a nuclear holocaust against white people, that he wanted to kill Jews, that he wanted to

00:07:36.140 rape white women, that he really, really, really hates white people, and all of this is publicly

00:07:39.480 available, but the last Conservative Party and the present Labour Party, while in government, were

00:07:44.520 campaigning tirelessly to bring him over because his mum is a British citizen because she's an anchor baby

00:07:48.660 and so he was eligible for British citizenship. Like, Robert Jenrick's been fighting against that.

00:07:52.640 All that sort of stuff. Jenrick's been very popular, but he was beaten out of the Conservative

00:07:56.500 leadership because all of the press outlets, like the Telegraph, GB News, uh, Spectator

00:08:03.420 Unheard, they were all promoting Badenog. So, he's been a rising star. Kemi announced during

00:08:09.040 Farage's press conference that Jenrick had been caught about to defect to Reform UK, and so she had

00:08:15.180 stripped him of his Conservative Party membership, banished him from the opposition shadow cabinet

00:08:20.460 immediately, and said basically, good luck. So, she was trying to get out ahead of his

00:08:25.380 defection, which she thought was going to happen that afternoon. It wasn't. Like, Reform weren't

00:08:29.260 going to announce it, the deal hadn't been caught. So, she thought she would, a bit like a jaded

00:08:34.280 girlfriend who's paranoid about you cheating on her, she thought that she would dump him first

00:08:38.260 and then go tell her friends just how small his dick was. Yeah. In many such cases. Yeah.

00:08:44.140 Backfired spectacularly, because then Reform just changed their press conference in the afternoon

00:08:48.280 to just take Jenrick in as a defector, and then Jenrick delivered the speech that they claimed

00:08:53.260 they found, like, lying on a photocopier somewhere that was proof of his defection.

00:08:57.300 He delivered that speech, but then threw in, like, loads of behind-the-scenes stuff about how

00:09:01.560 the Conservative Party was just lying to everyone for years. They were proposing policy they knew

00:09:05.220 weren't going to work because their donors wanted mass migration for cheap labour and to drag

00:09:08.800 up the cost of housing. The fact that the current Conservative Party is full of the architects of the

00:09:12.720 Boris Wave, like Brady Patel and Mel Stride, and how he resigned while he was in government,

00:09:17.120 but also now from the party on a matter of principle. And immediately, he uno-reverse-carded

00:09:22.760 Kemi Baydinox's attempt to oust him, flipped the narrative, and so overshadowed the fact that if

00:09:29.040 he had defected at another time, all of the questions about, well, weren't Faraj and Zia Yusuf

00:09:34.580 calling you a fraud and saying that all the Afghans you brought in were the Jenrick Wave, like,

00:09:38.480 only a few months ago. And instead, it became all about how he'd killed the Conservative Party,

00:09:44.200 the last hope for the Conservatives had just left the party. They've got no talent left,

00:09:48.180 they've got no momentum. Kemi Baydinox did the announcement looking like she was on a Zoom call,

00:09:52.620 we'll have to flash up an image or something. She was literally sat at home with a blurry background,

00:09:56.560 a scuffed mic, like she was lecturing him because he'd left an offensive joke on the company Slack

00:10:01.800 channel and was getting reprimanded by HR. And everyone's now talking about Jenrick being the

00:10:07.820 J.D. Vance to Faraj's Trump. And this is extra mega, and this is like internal faction war politics,

00:10:13.780 it's a bit autistic. No, no, I'm rambling here, so I apologize. But Zia Yusuf has been the largely

00:10:20.060 unpopular with the base, heir apparent to Nigel Faraj. Faraj just kept saying like, oh, I'll retire if

00:10:26.560 someone younger and better looking comes along. He's been putting Zia on in every position

00:10:31.320 imaginable. He was co-director of reform and chairman despite only giving like 200,000 pounds

00:10:35.620 coming from literally nowhere. He's been doing all the media interviews. He's been touted as the

00:10:40.500 second coming of Winston Churchill, just with like diversity-approved body armor because he's

00:10:44.700 a Muslim from Sri Lanka. And apparently, and I have this on good word, Zia did not know about

00:10:50.440 Jenrick's defection. Zia has been flaming Jenrick on Twitter for the best part of a year,

00:10:54.420 calling him a traitor, saying that he's emblematic of the last government, that we should have no

00:10:58.780 more Tory defectors. And Zia, while the announcement was going ahead, was not at the conference and

00:11:05.060 instead tweeted, no more Tories, your deadline to defect is the local elections, trying to reassert

00:11:10.360 his power. But Zia is now afraid, and quite rightly so, that his automatic coronation as Faraj's

00:11:16.900 successor just got jeopardized because Jenrick just looked like the best speaker, that he's killed

00:11:22.100 the conservatives, and all the images are now of Jenrick and Faraj with their arms around one

00:11:26.560 another, completely whitewashing the unpopular previous conservative defections from the last

00:11:30.940 week. And so, when you say what Rupert's role in this, dropping a nuke, responding to this,

00:11:37.420 Rupert has come out and said, okay, this is just the uniparty with a new coat of pain, whether or not

00:11:44.600 you like what Jenrick's been saying, because reform is just filling up with Tories, and next week

00:11:48.560 they're going to take a Labour defector. Okay, weird. And so Rupert said, clearly, the Conservative

00:11:54.300 Party is just done for, they've never learned their lessons, they're now just the party of

00:11:58.520 immigrants who brought in loads of immigrants, telling you how your culture includes them.

00:12:02.960 Reform is full of ex-Tories, Greens, Labour's, and it doesn't necessarily stand for anything

00:12:08.800 except destroying the previous two parties while filling up with its members. And so now Rupert

00:12:14.760 is teasing that by the next election, there will be an alternative, and he keeps saying,

00:12:18.420 I will promise you that it will be full of brand new candidates and things like this. So he seems

00:12:22.360 to be teasing a kind of restore party. Now, whether or not there's the time or funds to mobilise an

00:12:29.800 effort to reform's right is worth questioning. We do know, though, that Elon Musk is a big fan

00:12:35.040 of Rupert Lowe. We know that a significant portion of Reform's base, their original base,

00:12:39.680 left, and supported Rupert. Rupert has the largest social media presence of any MP in the country,

00:12:46.020 including dwarfing the analytics of Nigel Farage. He also has another independent ally in the other

00:12:53.100 Reform MP that was kicked out for some sort of trivial business matter called James McMurdoch.

00:12:56.740 Good chap. And so it is possible that Rupert sets up a marginal party to reforms right,

00:13:02.280 which could either lead to a splitting of the vote if Rupert continues to grow in popularity,

00:13:06.400 because he's on his own without a party. Rupert is polling at 9% nationally. Yeah.

00:13:12.060 Including pretty significantly in Wales as well, for some reason. Or his marginal party efforts

00:13:17.400 could face reform to move to the right and occupy that ground in the Overton window that

00:13:23.260 Rupert has vacated for them, or even make some kind of pact with Rupert and bring him back into

00:13:28.640 the fold, much to the seething anger of Zia Yusuf. So all very interesting at the moment.

00:13:35.320 Yeah. I have so many questions just to pick your brain on all of this. I think the first one,

00:13:42.160 let's get this one out of the way. There's this tendency on the right where we're perpetually

00:13:48.520 insecure whenever we do acquire power, whenever we are in a good position. We begin to doubt

00:13:53.380 ourselves and we begin to doubt our legitimacy because every institution has been captured by

00:13:58.380 the left for the most part. In the United States, all we have left is like police unions. That's pretty

00:14:02.640 much it. And it's vaguely similar obviously in Britain. Is that what's going on here? Because

00:14:08.980 I keep up, I read a publication in the UK, which is going to be very unpopular, probably cringe. I like

00:14:13.420 to read the conversation in the UK because there's something interesting. It's this publication where

00:14:18.000 it's all these academics and they're collaborating with journalists to produce all these pieces.

00:14:21.740 And it gives you really good insight into what the soy millennial zeitgeist is at the moment.

00:14:30.320 And every piece that they're putting out right now is glazing reform right now. They literally put

00:14:34.560 out this piece about how Zia Yusuf is professionalizing reform. So the fact that you're

00:14:41.620 getting seal claps from academics and journalists indicates that you are caving in every direction.

00:14:47.700 It's not really a surprise here. Is that partially what's going on? I guess to get to the original

00:14:52.280 question, is that partially what's going on? Is a lot of this just driven by insecurity among

00:14:56.100 reforms elite that they still are worried about what their perception is going to be among whatever

00:15:02.200 the equivalent would be of like your beltway sort of in Britain? Is that really what this is getting

00:15:06.420 at? Because yeah, I don't see why you would be just so eager to incorporate Zawi into the party,

00:15:13.300 throw them on all your branding if it wasn't driven ultimately by insecurity.

00:15:19.380 Some of it, yes. So Nigel Farage's willingness to embrace minority politicians comes from both him

00:15:26.060 and Gwaine Towler, who has been his sort of longtime right-hand man who was sacked by Zia Yusuf and

00:15:31.840 had to eat basically a plate of shit and then got reappointed on Reform's advisory board anyway and was

00:15:37.700 rewarded for his loyalty. Gwaine keeps putting out these terrible substacks. And look, I've met Gwaine,

00:15:43.120 he's very polite, but he's just an arch-liberal through and through. Yeah. Where he's saying

00:15:47.040 modern Britain is a mosaic and people like Zia Yusuf and Leila Cunningham represent Anglican Muslims,

00:15:52.800 Muslims who are moderate, who keep, observe their, I know, it's just absurd, who observe their faith

00:15:58.340 privately. And maybe if we all just promote these moderate Muslim candidates, we can care bear stare

00:16:03.480 a moderate Muslim revival within Islam and refute the last few centuries of like Salafism

00:16:09.260 and Sunni's and Shia's warring to appoint the next caliph. I mean, look, it's demented,

00:16:15.300 but that is the mentality. It's, it's, we can build, we can basically have Blairism as it was

00:16:20.640 promised. It was just bungled by, you know, Boris and Blair and May and Cameron and Sunak,

00:16:25.320 et cetera. Like they are actually like true believer liberals. They, they really want John

00:16:29.160 Lennon's Imagine to happen. They just want to do it through like tax cuts and the abolition of

00:16:33.040 identity politics rather than the anti-racist Leviathan state. Um, so there is, there is some

00:16:38.740 of that. And of course, Nigel Farage hates being called racist. He hates being called far-right.

00:16:43.000 He keeps saying that his proudest achievement was abolishing the actual far-right, you know,

00:16:47.560 like the BMP that did have some neo-Nazi sympathizers in it in the early 2000s. And so

00:16:52.100 he positions himself as the furthest acceptable fringe of the liberal consensus. And so encompassing,

00:16:59.420 you know, the first or second generation Muslim immigrants who he's astroturfed in his party

00:17:06.400 is for him, uh, kind of, uh, seeking the acceptance of a media and political establishment that will

00:17:14.500 hate him no matter what anyway, but he's still determined to make concessions to them. But

00:17:18.400 the Zahawi defection is quite different. So there are internal factions within reform. Uh, you can see

00:17:23.640 the contours of these in the respective interviews that each member gives and the

00:17:29.400 fact that some don't know what's going on with the other. For example, Zia Yusuf didn't know that

00:17:32.800 Robert J. Rick was going to defect. And that's why he really didn't like it. And Jemrick's faction

00:17:37.740 is very different to Yusuf's faction. There's a different set of money power behind each of them.

00:17:43.340 But the faction that keeps bringing in Boris's old cabinet ministers, like Nadim Zahawi or Jake

00:17:48.700 Berry or Nadine Dorries. Nadine Dorries wrote the online safety app, by the way. And the first thing she

00:17:53.620 said when she defected to reform was, well, maybe they should take Boris in. And Farage is like,

00:17:57.500 I'll draw the line of Boris. Are you serious? Even ES Standard. Yeah. It's like, okay, we're going

00:18:04.160 to denaturalize and deport the Boris wave. We're not going to have Boris in there. No. But the one

00:18:09.120 faction that's trying to bring him in is Richard Tice, who used to be the head of reform before

00:18:13.680 Nigel Farage came in and took over. And his girlfriend slash fiance, Isabelle Oakshott, she's

00:18:18.600 a journalist. She lives out in Dubai now. She's the editor of Talk TV. So, you know, literally

00:18:24.180 yet another propaganda outfit. They keep bringing old Tories in to build up their support base

00:18:30.560 because Tice has been personally sidelined by Zia Yusuf and some of the other people that

00:18:34.760 have come in. So all this is, is a King Lear-esque squabbling of siblings underneath the kind of

00:18:39.720 detached king who doesn't realize that his kingdom and the line of succession is itself

00:18:44.000 in jeopardy. Though that line of succession just got a lot more interesting with the influx

00:18:48.820 of someone like Robert Jenrick. So, and, and, and the other element of this as well

00:18:52.540 is, uh, international considerations. Now I covered this on a, on a live stream on my

00:18:58.160 channel. So, you know, those on the Tim Cost channel, you, uh, you hear it on my show

00:19:01.880 first. But Jenrick, Jenrick represents the Zionist wing of the conservative party. Uh, his

00:19:08.620 wife is Israeli American. He himself is a Jewish convert. His kids are Jewish. Uh, he has

00:19:13.080 a lot of the conservative friends of Israel donors in his corner. That's why people thought

00:19:17.540 he might actually beat Baden-Ock despite Baden-Ock having all of the media apparatuses on her

00:19:21.800 side because he has a lot more of the money and the international connections. And recently

00:19:26.220 reform have been positioning themselves to take a more Zionist, not necessarily interventionist,

00:19:32.560 but, um, uh, neoconservative in morality, if not tactics, foreign policy. So for example,

00:19:41.340 not long after Netanyahu recognized the sovereignty of Somaliland, Farage has been to like a Somaliland

00:19:46.480 independence protest in London. He was just at one of the, yeah, yeah. You know, it's very

00:19:52.520 relevant to your average UK or I suppose. Uh, he was also went to one of the Iranian revolutionary

00:19:58.080 protests in London with Nadim Zahawi and was filmed weeping. Um, which, you know, I, fair

00:20:06.460 enough. You might, you might have some sincere sympathies for the Iranian people, but yet

00:20:10.160 again, didn't we do this like a couple of years ago? There's been this feminist uprising

00:20:13.180 and it didn't amount to anything. Yeah. Again, I think this is more of a thing of like liberal

00:20:17.580 boomers and, um, anti-jihadists, which I have my sympathies again, trying to care, bear, stare

00:20:25.140 a revolution from our side of their borders. And it just doesn't really work out. Uh, and

00:20:30.420 also Richard Tice, I mean, he, he goes on frequent antisemitism marches with Michael Gove.

00:20:33.900 He signed the international like Holocaust remembrance declaration thing. So generic slots into that.

00:20:40.820 Pressing issue, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. You know, cause we were on the wrong side of that

00:20:45.020 issue. Clearly, um, just, uh, yeah, it's quite tiresome. But the reason I'm bringing that up

00:20:50.540 is because generic's generic brings a lot of those, those people, that money, that, uh, experience,

00:20:57.840 I suppose, being in government, being aligned with that faction into reform, which therefore

00:21:03.120 bolsters his likelihood of succeeding. And the other thing that it does do as well. And this

00:21:08.720 is the, the fact that Zia Yusuf is a Sri Lankan Muslim who has already pissed off a large portion

00:21:17.300 of the base by calling the police on Rupert Lowe and getting rid of him. It means that he

00:21:21.240 was already on the outs. And so generic now having a fair amount of donor clout, quite a

00:21:28.880 bit of experience, having personally destroyed the Tory party with one speech, being embraced

00:21:32.740 by Nigel and just being a white English guy now makes his position in the line of succession

00:21:38.840 more likely. Yeah. Well, that's kind of the question. I mean, from, from the American

00:21:45.620 perspective, we often get these things put on our desk because of Elon Musk. This is another

00:21:51.540 question I had. This is probably off the wall at this point. Cause I haven't heard the name

00:21:55.060 in a while, but Ben Habib, obviously, like if you go back last year, there was some discussion

00:21:59.860 around him, but in the States, we were hearing the name because of Elon Musk. Obviously he

00:22:03.540 went to the press and claimed that Elon had pulled him to start advanced UK, this sort

00:22:08.140 of thing. Where is he in the fold? Who's his constituent? Cause that's the toughest thing

00:22:12.240 for me, even as someone that, you know, keeps an eye on, on, on British politics, especially

00:22:15.740 now as we have this show, it's really tough to figure out where these constituencies are filtering

00:22:20.960 into. And that's the difficult thing with generic coming in is it's going to presumably

00:22:25.280 expand reforms, uh, base where it's going to make it even from my perspective, even increasing

00:22:30.860 more, more difficult, uh, to actually, um, put together something consistent. Cause like

00:22:36.260 you said at the top of the show, reform is more defined in what they're against. And really

00:22:41.120 any political movement that's defined in what it's against is never going to be a legitimate,

00:22:45.700 you know, movement going forward. Because again, if you're just positioning yourselves as

00:22:50.460 the perpetual opposition, what happens when you enter power is you completely fall apart.

00:22:55.260 Because you'd no longer have something that you're opposing. Um, so some of these figures,

00:22:59.500 like that's why I bring up Ben Habib, you've seen some of these defectors in the past. And

00:23:03.140 then obviously Elon Musk, you know, promoting them, these sorts of things. Where does that,

00:23:08.140 where is Elon, where do you think Elon's head is at? Cause I mean, that's going to be a massive

00:23:12.360 dynamic going forward with reform, um, with Rupert. Where does, where's, where's the political

00:23:18.580 landscape right now? Where, where all these previous defectors who aren't necessarily on

00:23:22.880 the Rupert Lowe train, where are the constituents, like, is the constituency, are they split or are

00:23:28.020 they, what's the situation with, I guess you would call it like the populist base, so to speak.

00:23:33.680 No, I think that's the perfect characterization. I mean, people may remember that Musk woke up one

00:23:38.820 day and tweeted reform needs a new leader because Nigel Farage hasn't got what it takes. And this was

00:23:44.500 as a result of seeing the treatment of Ben Habib, because Ben Habib didn't win his seat in the

00:23:52.300 2024 election and he was deputy leader of reform and was unceremoniously demoted by Zia Yusuf,

00:23:58.140 who then became chair and then Ben resigned from the party because he had never met Zia, but Zia

00:24:03.860 decided to boot him out. Despite Ben, you know, being in reform for quite some time, holding it

00:24:08.080 together since the Brexit party. But he had a bit of personal acrimony with, with Farad as well. They,

00:24:13.080 they didn't always get along. And so I think, so for those who don't know, Ben set up Advance

00:24:19.920 UK, which I, I want to make it very clear. I like Ben. He's always been a very, very gentlemanly

00:24:27.720 to me. Rupert did kind of put a stone in the shoe of it immediately as it launched, because

00:24:35.360 not only did Rupert launch Restore Britain, his campaign group, on the same day as Advance

00:24:39.660 UK. Yes. And, and also declined to become leader of Advance UK because that's what Ben

00:24:45.840 wanted. But Rupert, in an interview, was offhand asked why he didn't become leader. And he

00:24:50.260 said it's because the name and branding sounds like toothpaste. And just, I, yeah, I think

00:24:57.800 it could, Restore Britain is better. Sorry. Just the branding is better.

00:25:01.260 Maybe like a deodorant. Maybe more like a deodorant, I think. 72 hour protection and,

00:25:07.060 you know, these sorts of things, which is going to be very off-putting to the Indian constituency,

00:25:09.720 obviously. So that's potentially a, you know, marketing issue.

00:25:12.800 That, that, that would track Ben as half Pakistani. So I think that's actually a subcontinental

00:25:18.460 ethnic faction wars are probably on brand for British politics. But Advance UK represents the

00:25:23.020 kind of people who were made up reforms grassroots and then were excised from the party by Zia

00:25:28.320 Yusuf for saying like boomerwaffen things on Facebook and getting attacked by communist

00:25:35.880 hit job group. Hope not hate. People are still getting fired from Reformed HQ, by the way,

00:25:39.640 because of hope not hate hit pieces. That hasn't stopped. So hope not hate. Yeah. Yeah. I met

00:25:44.380 a guy that happened to the other day and that was this year. Uh, so it's yeah, pretty, pretty

00:25:49.460 appalling. That's what's so crazy because stateside, like media matters put me in one of their

00:25:52.700 write-ups and it was like one of my, it was just because when I see these media matters

00:25:56.320 write-ups, they're literally just giving me, cause it used to be, you had to scroll the

00:26:00.200 timeline to get the best takes. Now I just wait for media matters to drop a piece and

00:26:04.160 they're literally just thrown in like the Patriot highlights from the week. It feels like I'm

00:26:07.300 watching sports centers, top 10 plays. Cause like they threw me in there. I think I, I said

00:26:12.260 Somali's IQs are so low. They don't even have like a perception of morality. It was something

00:26:16.500 along those lines. And I was reading, I was like, that's so true. I can't believe I even said

00:26:19.320 that. Cause that's like so true. I didn't even know I was capable. I didn't know I was in

00:26:22.180 flow state like that. And you're just looking at all the other Patriots takes on that issue

00:26:25.940 that week. Like Will Chamberlain drop in, you know, Michael Knowles just throwing in

00:26:29.660 something about like the Greeks. It's wonderful. And so in the, in the States, when you get

00:26:33.660 thrown on the highlight reel, you know, the top 10, uh, you know, base plays of the week,

00:26:37.660 you're excited. You're framing it on your wall. You're throwing tweets up, you're sending

00:26:40.920 to your boys, but the UK hope not hate comes after you and then you lose your job.

00:26:46.300 It's like, yeah, I can't wait for them. I'm looking forward to their state of hate report

00:26:51.940 for this coming year, because it's just going to have like a page on me and all my greatest

00:26:55.440 hits behind which, you know, I stand behind everything. It is particularly absurd as well

00:27:00.280 because one of their senior employees, and they say he's a junior, but you know, he represented

00:27:04.580 them in government committee hearings about the online safety act, talking about how to

00:27:08.140 keep kids safe. Uh, he just been convicted as being a pit file. So the fact that you would

00:27:13.140 ever listen to these total freaks who are just a state funded smear outfit with the help

00:27:18.980 of the intelligence agencies, the home office and the police, very disreputable. But anyway,

00:27:23.720 so, uh, Advance UK exists to snap up a load of the local associations that reform had and were cut

00:27:32.580 loose by Zia Yusuf in his centralized professionalization effort. Like they didn't want any of their

00:27:37.580 local council candidates, for example, to have social media because they considered it a liability.

00:27:41.020 So that immediately shrinks your eligible recruitment pool. Whereas you've got the,

00:27:45.900 one of the lessons the Trump revolution learned is that social media is your friend. It circumvents

00:27:49.440 mainstream media gatekeeping. And actually your base really likes the deportation hype

00:27:53.660 edits that you're posting on the official White House Twitter account. So maybe do more of that

00:27:57.120 reform. So, um, Advance UK exists as a newly incorporated political entity that is basically,

00:28:04.260 uh, the grassroots populist base and has a lot more of a working class bottom up feel a bit like

00:28:13.940 early UKIP did. And this is why they've co-balanced around the, I don't think it's unfair to call him

00:28:18.700 a folk hero figure of Tommy Robinson, who is a member and a spokesperson for Advance UK.

00:28:25.700 And it's why Ben Habib spoke at the Unite the Kingdom rally that lots of Americans will have seen

00:28:29.880 because Elon Musk did a, a sort of, um, he looked like the, the floating head in Power Rangers.

00:28:35.940 He did like a giant screen, like telecall into it. Yeah. Nearly, yeah, nearly, nearly incited an

00:28:42.420 insurrection on British streets, according to the mainstream media. And even clearly has a watchful

00:28:47.700 eye on Advance, but the thing is with Advance, and again, I'm not counter-signaling and I'm not

00:28:50.560 discouraging any effort to try to create other movements that represent the vacant space in the

00:28:57.520 Overton window to reforms, right, that they are intent on not occupying for some reason.

00:29:01.180 Though Jenrick might change a bit of that because he's been to the right of Farrell and a lot of

00:29:04.060 things, Advance doesn't have any senior personnel yet. Like they, they just have Ben and Tommy

00:29:11.020 Robinson. Whereas part of the reason for the frustration, I think, of Advance figures and

00:29:16.380 the broader British right who haven't attached themselves to Advance, there's a lot of Anons

00:29:19.540 out there or just, or just spokespeople like myself or Carl Benjamin that aren't members of

00:29:23.660 Advance, they aren't members of Reform, who are looking at Rupert and seeing him as a, as

00:29:29.520 a leader of men. He's very charismatic. He seems to command the discourse. He has a

00:29:33.740 disproportionate impact on parliamentary politics as well as general political discussions, even

00:29:39.420 though he's banned from GB News and talk and things like that.

00:29:41.040 He's just a talented, it's okay to say he's just a talented politician. Like that's something

00:29:46.020 that, you know, because it's like, you know, the new populace, like it's, it's uncool to

00:29:50.460 be a politician. You know, you're, everyone's supposed to be an outsider. There actually is

00:29:54.060 serious utility, especially as we intellectualize this post-Brexit, post-MAGA, you know, political

00:29:59.680 zeitgeist. There is something to be said about bringing in people that are just simply talented

00:30:02.820 politicians. That's a good thing.

00:30:05.460 Yeah. And it's really frustrating that he's not actually in Reform because I think he would have

00:30:09.900 been in the generic faction, basically, and he would be a shoe-in for, you know, Shadow

00:30:14.600 Chancellor, but that's obviously the coveted job that Zia Yusuf wanted, which is one of the

00:30:18.600 reasons why he probably helped get rid of him. But now lots of eyes are falling on Rupert

00:30:21.920 Lowe because, and not just over on our side of the Atlantic, but also in America because

00:30:25.960 of his Tucker interview, because of his social media output, and they're wondering what he

00:30:30.400 does next. The likelihood that Lowe can get something viable to surpass Reform in any

00:30:36.520 significant extent looks difficult at the moment. But you mentioned Musk. I mean, I, and again,

00:30:46.040 I know these, the people involved in these conversations, so I don't wish to, don't wish

00:30:50.680 to disparage anyone. But if an entity were to be launched by Rupert Lowe and they're already

00:30:55.580 polling at like 9%, it's not unlikely that Musk at least throws him some money over advance.

00:31:01.700 And it could just be that Ben recognises that Rupert has more of a mandate of heaven,

00:31:08.280 doesn't exist as a party, as you said, that defines itself by what it's against, and advance

00:31:15.040 seems to be against reform, whereas Rupert seems to be for a set of policies put forward

00:31:20.220 by Restore Britain. And Restore Britain also, I don't know if you read Curtis Yarvin's recent

00:31:23.820 piece on the lack of Rubicon energy in the second Trump administration.

00:31:27.360 I haven't read it yet, but I've seen it, yeah. Snippets.

00:31:29.800 Yeah, okay, so strap in, it's going to be about three days to get through it. But he

00:31:33.440 proposes, I'll take a Yarvin piece, so.

00:31:36.140 Yeah, yeah, it's a very eloquent schizo post. But in it, he proposes the sort of politics

00:31:41.880 of the 20th century, as defined by Silicon Valley, as a hard party, which is centred around

00:31:47.240 a charismatic figurehead with party apparatchiks that are all on the same page that give its

00:31:51.420 members the illusion of democracy by having them vote on an app for things that the party

00:31:56.080 already wants, so that the populist faction fulfil their appetite of political blood sports

00:32:04.180 in, you know, vanquishing the enemy and empowering their friends, while having actually no consequence

00:32:08.040 on the direction of the party, but the party still does what's in their interest. And what

00:32:11.600 he's describing is basically Restore Britain, which at this point is an app and a cross-party

00:32:16.440 membership organisation that puts forward policies that the leader and the policy formulators

00:32:21.020 already think of, that they know are going to play well with the base. The base vote for

00:32:24.880 it, so the base are like, okay, I'm actually engaged in crafting the policy agenda, but

00:32:29.940 the policies are, they're not proposed by the base, they're proposed by the leadership

00:32:32.840 who know what the base wants. So Rupert is kind of like a hard party in waiting, it just

00:32:37.420 matters as to whether or not there's an electoral constituency large enough to either surpass

00:32:41.600 reform or justify reform having to go into a coalition post-election with Rupert in order

00:32:47.960 to guarantee a majority government. Okay. Yes. Yes. Can we do a, let's do a mental exercise

00:32:54.880 here. This is going to be really tough, I think, but I think we should do it. So obviously

00:32:59.320 Starmer slipping in the polls, he's below the Tories now, which is hilarious. We know, we

00:33:05.360 know some people, especially you will know some people that are still tepidly pro-reform

00:33:12.120 or at least still viewing reform as the most viable political vehicle going forward for

00:33:16.240 their ideas or our ideas collectively. Can you attempt to, in lieu of Starmer's serious

00:33:22.180 collapse here, can you attempt to steel man the patriot argument for reform as it stands

00:33:28.020 right now, especially with the generic defection?

00:33:31.440 Oh, absolutely. Because I know people within reform who are making this argument from a good

00:33:35.240 place. Matt Goodwin, for example, a very eloquent academic who, as far as candidates go to carry

00:33:43.760 on or even surpass the Farrell's legacy, is a good one. They're arguing that reform is a

00:33:50.360 once-in-a-generation opportunity, having gained the loyalty of the red wall, so the equivalent

00:33:56.960 of, I suppose, Trump sweeping all of the swing states, the left behind places like

00:34:05.200 Ohio and Wisconsin and Michigan, Rust Belt, in 2016. Reform are going to win there, basically

00:34:12.540 no matter what, because they're just voting reform as a protest vote against mass immigration

00:34:17.300 and both Labour and Conservatives. And Keir Starmer is now the most unpopular prime minister

00:34:22.320 since records began. Labour have slumped in the polls to the extent to where they may win

00:34:27.260 between four and fourteen seats. So they're going to be beaten by the Green Party, right?

00:34:33.320 And they're just the... They're Zora Mandani split into two people, genuinely. The Green Party

00:34:37.720 is led by a Muslim called Mothin Ali, who won a local council seat in 2024 and shouted,

00:34:42.600 Allahu Akbar, this is for Gaza. What that has to do with compost and recycling, I have no idea.

00:34:47.520 And then a guy called Zach Polanski, who is a gay hypnotist who changed his name to be more

00:34:51.520 Jewish. Yeah. So, very strange. So, they're going to win more seats than Labour. The Liberal

00:34:58.220 Democrats are probably going to be the opposition party, because they're basically a... They're the

00:35:03.360 party of Martha's Vineyard, essentially. Right. They are... They're basically an English ethnic

00:35:08.220 party, but they're the party of luxury beliefs, because they're like, refugees welcome, just

00:35:11.220 not in my backyard. Yeah. They're always taking these really weird niche policies, like they're

00:35:15.060 really fired up about garbage disposal and stuff like that. It's like...

00:35:18.420 Yeah. Swimming in rivers, and they have water salination. They're the politics that we would

00:35:24.100 have if we were being demographically replaced. Right. Well, it's the same thing in America

00:35:28.720 with Ezra Klein and the abundance. They call it abundance liberalism, or whatever his piece

00:35:33.020 was called. It's the Yimby party where, yeah, these policies would be viable if we lived in

00:35:38.400 a country that was stable, but we don't. So, it's just a waste of time to even pursue these

00:35:42.500 policies. When I see the Ezra Klein abundance policies, when I see Lib Dems, it's like the

00:35:48.040 same exact playbook, where it's like, yeah, this would have been interesting in

00:35:52.020 like 1950, but we're not there right now. It's like the party of people that don't know

00:35:57.460 what time it is.

00:35:59.040 Yeah, we want a Scandinavian social safety net, but not Scandinavian demographics. I mean,

00:36:02.980 good fucking luck.

00:36:04.440 But yeah, so the Steelman case is that you have the potential for these fractured left-wing

00:36:11.140 parties, including now a large faction of conservatives who are today calling Robert

00:36:16.560 Jenrick, a pound shop Enoch Powell, and thinking that that's not an endorsement.

00:36:21.700 Yeah, that's on the grid, actually.

00:36:22.560 It's not impossible that basically every party coalesces together to form what the German

00:36:30.600 parties call a firewall against the AFD, right?

00:36:33.140 Right, yeah.

00:36:33.360 So, even the supposed center-right parties work with the Communist Party to keep you out.

00:36:37.640 So, there is an argument that reform is the natural home for dispossessed native voters,

00:36:45.380 voters, and low-propensity voters who have been driven to get involved in politics because

00:36:51.660 of the state of the country and their hatred of both parties who have sold us down the river,

00:36:56.540 and the Greens and the Dems, of course.

00:36:58.400 And so, you just need to focus on getting them in first, and then put your differences aside

00:37:03.440 until, after victory, you can debate within the coalition who gets rewarded through the

00:37:11.820 patronage network, which policies are put forward.

00:37:14.400 And you know what?

00:37:15.080 That's fairly compelling.

00:37:16.040 I would almost invert the argument, and this is the purpose of a lot of what I do, and

00:37:21.240 this is why I think even if Rupert were to start his own thing, it would be successful

00:37:24.780 even if it weren't electorally viable, is that all of my commentary is done presuming

00:37:30.400 that reform are going to win, and therefore it's not a matter of where they're going to

00:37:33.540 win, so it doesn't really matter if, you know, I'm just one voice atop everyone else

00:37:38.840 in the country saying that Starmer sucks, because he does.

00:37:41.680 You don't need me to tell you that.

00:37:43.400 Instead, putting reform in the best position in order to govern when they win is more important.

00:37:49.940 So, for example, demanding that their election manifesto, because we, a bit like, in the

00:37:57.220 States, you don't have manifestos in the same way.

00:37:59.100 Like, you'll announce policies, but you don't have, like, a full prospectus that you can just

00:38:02.060 sit through and read.

00:38:03.040 And the reason we do that in the UK is because if it's not in your manifesto, then the House

00:38:06.880 of Lords, the unelected appointed equivalent to your Senate, which is the United States,

00:38:10.940 the Senate, was based on back in the day, they can block bills that go through Parliament

00:38:15.320 that weren't explicitly voted on by the electorate.

00:38:19.160 And so if reform wants to do radical stuff, like re-politicize the civil service, hire and

00:38:23.780 fire every civil servant, abolish the Supreme Court, deport every illegal immigrant, repeal

00:38:27.800 loads of laws that go back to the 70s, even the 40s, they need to put that in their manifesto.

00:38:32.360 They need to not just justify it to the public, but they need to win with it written out.

00:38:36.340 And so I kind of exist to say, you actually can't just become a conservative refugee camp,

00:38:42.300 you can't rehabilitate the careers of politicians that nobody likes, you shouldn't be putting

00:38:46.000 forward Muslim candidates and total grifters like Leila Cunningham, and you should be proposing

00:38:50.040 these policies like mass legal repeal or remigration, because if you don't propose

00:38:54.760 them before the election, they're going to get blocked by the House of Lords, which

00:38:57.820 currently has no reform peers in.

00:38:59.980 And so they're at a disadvantage.

00:39:01.020 So there is absolutely the case for people saying, we still need to vote reform, we need

00:39:05.620 to focus on making reform the best it can be before the next election.

00:39:09.820 But the way in which you force reform to conform to a set of political incentives that aren't

00:39:17.440 just directed at them by the BBC and the other parties is what's up for debate.

00:39:22.940 Absolutely.

00:39:24.020 Well, to shift gears here a bit, it's in theme with the show that we have in general, which

00:39:29.640 is that the audience accepts our presuppositions, so that way we don't have to just explain

00:39:33.320 to you why Starmer is bad, why Biden is bad.

00:39:36.300 Everyone knows these things.

00:39:37.320 I don't think it's productive to continue to just hammer on about these things.

00:39:40.000 I think what's more productive is to, again, presume that reform, presume that Trump are

00:39:45.060 going to be in power going forward, and to then steer the discourse in a direction that's

00:39:49.300 going to be more productive in pursuit of our goals.

00:39:52.160 And why that matters, what we're trying to do, obviously, is correct some potential issues

00:39:59.540 with our rhetoric or our discourse that could lead to really large misfires or backfires,

00:40:06.300 rather.

00:40:07.160 Something that I'm seeing that Raj has been doing for years, and you're seeing it now in

00:40:11.860 lieu of the Minneapolis riots.

00:40:14.420 Again, we don't need to explain to you, like we know that the shooting was clean, etc., etc.

00:40:18.840 Everyone at this point knows, I think it would be redundant to just give our take on the

00:40:22.780 whole thing, because it's going to be the same as everyone on the right.

00:40:26.820 Where I'm seeing a misstep from people on the right is they have this propensity, and Farage

00:40:33.340 does the same thing, is to dance around what the issue actually is that everyone knows that's

00:40:39.260 right in your face, and to be what I call safe edgy, where it's like you can still deliver

00:40:45.140 punchy commentary in a way that the average viewer at home goes, wow, this guy really

00:40:49.520 does not give a rip.

00:40:50.520 He'll just say whatever, without actually challenging something that would be a serious threat to

00:40:56.340 the sort of liberal regime as it is.

00:40:59.320 And so what I'm seeing on the right in the U.S. right now, what they're doing is they're

00:41:03.340 going all out on Karens.

00:41:05.180 They're going all out on the middle-aged liberal white woman.

00:41:08.340 And they're kind of positioning the liberal white woman as the biggest issue in the United

00:41:15.520 States.

00:41:16.720 And they have some ammo.

00:41:18.340 Like Renee Goode falls into this description, clearly someone that's just a bonehead and

00:41:24.640 sort of emblematic of this type of phenotype that they're describing.

00:41:28.760 But I think it's a mistake to go all in on the liberal white woman as the biggest issue

00:41:34.540 in the United States, because, for example, I'm from Memphis, Tennessee, and when I think

00:41:38.340 about the issues of what makes life difficult for a Memphian, not really thinking about liberal

00:41:45.000 white woman, not really thinking about Karens.

00:41:46.800 And I've received some flack from the Timcast audience for my defense of Karens, where I'm

00:41:52.120 saying the original definition of Karen is just a white woman that's kind of uppity and

00:41:57.520 expects, you know, that has basic expectations of customer service and these sorts of things.

00:42:02.820 And I think attacking that phenotype is actually a mistake because we should be pursuing higher

00:42:08.920 standards.

00:42:09.500 We should be frustrated with how bad things are getting in the United States.

00:42:13.260 Why would you attack one person that, okay, maybe they're a little too uppity from time

00:42:17.020 to time, but generally they're trying to keep everyone in line.

00:42:20.520 And so what I'm seeing is people just continuing to rail on this liberal white woman phenotype.

00:42:25.500 And what they're doing is they're avoiding the issue that's driving this entire Minnesota

00:42:29.680 scandal in the first place, which is mass migration or immigration broadly and also like black

00:42:35.880 crime.

00:42:36.620 I mean, this is the issue in Memphis is black crime.

00:42:39.060 Fundamentally, we had this discussion with the arena is the roots situation where there

00:42:42.980 was this moment where everyone across the right was on the same page.

00:42:45.840 Everyone was like, yes, we see this.

00:42:47.620 We're tired of it.

00:42:48.200 It's causing us so many problems and no one wants to address it.

00:42:50.700 The black community seems to blame external factors for this issue rather than having

00:42:57.220 sort of an in-house discussion on, okay, maybe we have some serious cultural flaws, cultural

00:43:02.180 issues.

00:43:02.760 But the only actual, you know, anecdote that the right seems to be able to provide is again,

00:43:08.500 blaming the, you know, liberal white woman or just the middle-aged white woman broadly.

00:43:13.240 When you look at middle-aged white women in the United States as a voting block, they're

00:43:18.240 either 45% Republican to 50% Republican.

00:43:21.220 If you look at a map, I'll put it on the screen of states.

00:43:24.200 If only white women voted only, I think it was middle, middle-aged white women or white

00:43:28.220 women voted, you would have a similar voting map to how the voting map actually turned out

00:43:32.800 in 2024.

00:43:34.060 So it's just this weird, you've probably seen it with Farage where Farage I think is the

00:43:39.180 epitome of safe edgy where he knows the issues that he can tackle where he really postures

00:43:45.020 himself as like this truth teller, kind of this tough guy, but he avoids the issues that

00:43:50.820 are actually threatening to the liberal regime as it is.

00:43:54.780 I just don't perceive a universe in where liberals feel threatened by people just attacking middle-aged

00:44:01.380 white women.

00:44:03.000 Are you seeing this?

00:44:05.380 What's your perception on this sort of safe edgy?

00:44:07.760 Do you agree with my consensus?

00:44:09.120 Do you agree that Karens are actually like the last thing standing between us and just total

00:44:14.260 Brazilification of society?

00:44:17.060 So to add to your map, if you winnow the criteria down to married white women, it's overwhelmingly

00:44:24.420 Republican.

00:44:25.500 So part of the problem is the sexual revolution and the definition of ourselves as self-authoring

00:44:33.540 autonomous subjects who aren't defined by our relationships, but instead are desires independent

00:44:38.340 of one another.

00:44:39.200 And I think that just drives men and women mental, but in very different ways.

00:44:42.720 And so if you've got women like Renee Good, who is an outlier, who was a widower, but then

00:44:48.720 got in a lesbian relationship, just very, very strange and seems to have just been driven

00:44:55.100 demented by the kind of ideology that MSNBC spews out to the extent of where she forfeits

00:45:01.140 her life to protect Somali scammers.

00:45:03.260 And in a particular instance of the one that she was trying to thwart, the deportation of

00:45:06.280 a child molester, then yeah, this is a total outlier.

00:45:10.080 This is not most white women.

00:45:10.860 And look, even if it were, the answer is never to take the side of a people other than your

00:45:18.180 own in any context, by the way, foreign affairs, domestic affairs.

00:45:22.420 And so if you're jumping aboard the kind of third world coded white women, am I right?

00:45:27.960 Sort of sentiment we've seen coming out of both the resentment of the manosphere, but

00:45:34.440 also, again, as you said, the safe, edgy critiques of the right, then you are neglecting your

00:45:41.220 duty as a man to show leadership in your civilization, but also in your personal relationships.

00:45:46.360 Yes.

00:45:46.680 Because if there is a cohort of women in your country that are engaging in suicidal

00:45:51.180 empathy, then it's your responsibility to mitigate that for their good, the good of all

00:45:56.680 of their loved ones, the good of your civilization.

00:45:59.320 It's not, therefore, a license to replace them with base browns, because that is the mentality

00:46:06.260 that you get out of a lot of them, right?

00:46:08.560 This is, when you said about Farage, he doesn't really do this with women, but he just goes,

00:46:12.220 oh, the left, they're so intolerant, they say, be kind, and they're not actually, aren't

00:46:16.720 they the real hypocrites?

00:46:17.700 And it's like, okay, Nigel, but you're currently astroturfing the one semi-based, like, British

00:46:24.280 values, brand-safe immigrant who still uses the term far-right as a pejorative to her

00:46:28.980 critics, and Layla Cunningham.

00:46:30.540 Meanwhile, the vast majority of crimes, like sex crimes, that are committed in London, for

00:46:37.120 example, are committed by men who never needed to be in the country, because they're either

00:46:40.260 first-generation or second-generation immigrants.

00:46:42.920 And the disproportionate number of those are committed by Muslims, like Afghanis and Eritreans

00:46:48.220 are like 20 times more likely to commit that kind of crime.

00:46:50.340 And so you're obscuring the true nature of things, and unless you get to the true nature

00:46:54.960 of things, we can't solve those problems.

00:46:56.300 And they are all problems because they're all optional, because those people just shouldn't

00:46:58.880 be here.

00:46:59.600 And so don't throw your own people under the bus to not get called mean names by the people

00:47:04.040 whose politics enables these atrocities in the first place.

00:47:07.200 And the final point on Karam, the reason it's a particularly annoying anti-white slur for

00:47:11.800 me is because I remember Karam being used originally around the time of BLM to talk about white

00:47:16.740 women who are policing the excesses of black behavior.

00:47:20.880 And it was used on women.

00:47:23.500 I remember one called the police on some cookout that was happening in a park.

00:47:28.180 And you do get this archetype of overly tone policing and that you get this archetype of

00:47:40.280 women who will try and manage their own internal anxieties by managing your external behavior.

00:47:46.160 This is a problem, isn't it?

00:47:47.620 It's an excess of kind of like devouring mother behavior, don't get me wrong.

00:47:51.920 But it had a racial twinge to it when the meme was coined.

00:47:56.060 And proper place for Karens is as a civilization affirming force.

00:48:00.140 So they should be running women's institutions.

00:48:02.420 They should be telling you not to leave, you know, litter in your car or not to spit chewing

00:48:06.480 gum out on the street or to ensure that everyone gets a refund on the flight when it's delayed,

00:48:11.700 for example.

00:48:12.240 Like they should be with Dave Green made this point.

00:48:15.800 He has an excellent podcast for everyone that doesn't watch it called Fiddler's Green.

00:48:18.840 Does it every like two weeks.

00:48:20.560 Phenomenal.

00:48:21.060 My favorite show.

00:48:22.040 In his most recent episode, he spoke about this particular shooting.

00:48:24.880 And he said, what you have to understand is progressivism has displaced tradition and

00:48:29.860 Christianity and parasitized women's natural desire to be the enforcer of rules and derive

00:48:38.060 emotional satisfaction from that rule set.

00:48:40.080 It's gone from saying, you said grace a meal improperly and you should, you know, say penance

00:48:46.400 for that, to you didn't do a land acknowledgement before Thanksgiving and isn't Thanksgiving itself

00:48:51.340 kind of racist anyway.

00:48:52.700 So you have to understand that if you just substitute the ruling morality and therefore

00:48:57.540 the incentive structure, you'll get a preference cascade.

00:48:59.700 And the personality temperament that causes a Karen to enforce rules will actually be for

00:49:06.680 a pro-civilizational force rather than an anti-civilizational force.

00:49:11.520 And so stop scapegoating white women when they aren't necessarily the problem.

00:49:15.520 Yeah.

00:49:15.820 Very well put.

00:49:16.780 I mean, because that's what you're seeing.

00:49:17.800 I get a bit frustrated with conservatives where they literally chalk up every issue in regards

00:49:25.220 to women, to men not leading, because that happens a lot, and especially in regards to

00:49:29.500 relationship dynamics.

00:49:30.880 But I think this is an instance where that would actually be the accurate prescription, which

00:49:35.040 is, no, this is because men are purposely vacating space in which they're failing to address

00:49:43.060 the actual issue that is sort of driving this, this, it's driving the civilizational decline

00:49:50.880 broadly.

00:49:51.740 Again, it's, it's, it's men, um, politicians specifically refusing to just endorse mass

00:49:59.020 deportations, refusing to, again, police black communities, these sorts of things.

00:50:04.420 And then that's when, like you're, like you're saying, or like Dave Green was saying is, uh,

00:50:08.820 yeah, this, this propensity for these women with this personality types to actually

00:50:12.760 deploy it in a useful manner, like where they should just be sort of terrorizing a retail

00:50:18.500 worker for screwing up their order.

00:50:20.260 Instead, they're using it and weaponizing in HR departments or as the college advisors

00:50:26.320 and these sorts of things.

00:50:27.540 And, uh, it's just, it's just a massive, uh, self-own because like you said, and I think

00:50:33.080 this is a really important point is the term Karen was really originally weaponized again

00:50:37.620 by like black activists during the BLM riots.

00:50:40.540 I mean, before it was just kind of a joke.

00:50:42.120 Like it wasn't even really a nasty term.

00:50:44.460 Like people were just using it broadly to describe like Elizabeth Warren or something,

00:50:47.800 which is accurate.

00:50:49.280 But, um, yeah, you're never, we make this point on the show all the time.

00:50:54.120 You're never actually going to beat the left by entering their ecosystem and then trying

00:50:59.660 to beat them at their own game.

00:51:01.000 You always have to pull them into your domain and then beat them there.

00:51:04.280 And they already hate Karens.

00:51:06.500 They already hate middle-aged white women for a variety of reasons.

00:51:10.140 Why grant them that?

00:51:12.140 Like why, why give them that presupposition?

00:51:14.620 Why accept their framing and then try to beat them at that game?

00:51:17.640 It's like, yeah, Renee Good was a Karen.

00:51:20.160 It's like, okay, the question is what drove someone like Renee Good to put her life down

00:51:26.600 for Somali scammers in the first place?

00:51:28.620 I think that would be the issue we should be addressing instead of, again, just like attacking

00:51:33.720 sort of a natural feminine trait, which is, again, um, sort of policing behavior to a degree.

00:51:42.140 I mean, that's what they do with children.

00:51:43.060 And that's what they do is like teachers and these sorts of things.

00:51:45.340 It's just, it's just a massive self blunder from my perspective.

00:51:49.480 And again, just to go back to it, that's the fault of men.

00:51:53.160 That's the fault of men.

00:51:54.560 Um, just again, pursuing safe, edgy topics.

00:51:57.740 It's like, oh, while you're attacking middle-aged white women.

00:52:00.420 And yeah, I'm sure that's a serious threat to the liberal regime who already hates middle

00:52:04.160 aged white women purely for being white.

00:52:06.320 Like we're not making any progress here.

00:52:08.640 If anything, we're going backwards.

00:52:10.480 We should be, again, sort of uplifting women in that regard.

00:52:14.880 Again, you can, there's plenty of meat on the bone to critique someone like Renee Good.

00:52:18.380 But the point you made, I mean, she's an outlier.

00:52:20.060 She's an exception.

00:52:20.780 And the exception doesn't disprove the norm, which when this tendency is properly deployed

00:52:26.780 in a, again, stable society, there's actually a very useful tendency.

00:52:32.660 Again, for one, it just keeps children in line.

00:52:36.200 Yeah, that, so, so I want to pick up on something there because you said, of course, uh, there's

00:52:40.400 been a lot of critiques on the right for saying it's just men's fault for not leading their

00:52:45.860 relationships, which is why, you know, you can't lament the condition of modern women

00:52:50.860 because it's, it's men that have got to step up.

00:52:53.080 I think the, the, the neat middle ground to cleave between that and also blaming all

00:52:59.060 women is to say on, in, in personal relationships and in politics and on either respective political

00:53:05.520 side, don't allow the anxieties of the most unhinged women to lead the conversation.

00:53:13.540 Yes.

00:53:13.640 Whether that's the ones getting into altercations with ICE, because what they're trying to do

00:53:18.140 classically is, uh, is enforce Mary rules, um, via progressive orthodoxy, just being their,

00:53:25.100 their software code in this instance, whereas they forget that, well, women enforce the

00:53:30.040 rules, men enforce the boundaries in which the rules are made with violence.

00:53:33.840 So forgetting that has decoupled them.

00:53:36.080 And that's why you get, you know, the like Reddit soy boys on the side of the row shouting,

00:53:39.460 shouting, bro, you did a murder for what?

00:53:41.340 Like, it's just, oh, okay.

00:53:42.540 You've never engaged in a fight in your life.

00:53:44.180 And I can tell.

00:53:45.200 Yeah.

00:53:45.300 Um, whereas in the inverse, and this is, I hate like e-celeb drama stuff in the inverse,

00:53:52.180 you get the, the sudden defection of Ashley Sinclair to the left and denouncing the, the,

00:53:56.660 the anti-trans ideology books that she wrote.

00:54:00.020 Um, and it's because, uh, clearly the, the people that are the least emotionally stable

00:54:07.540 and are out for soothing their own anxieties or aggrandizing themselves are very fickle in

00:54:13.420 their loyalties and principles.

00:54:14.700 And so you shouldn't in the, on, on the right, we shouldn't be so eager to bring women over

00:54:19.840 and find a proper place for women on the right during the, the sort of gender slop faction

00:54:25.420 wars where men are going traditional and women more progressive, especially in my country.

00:54:28.980 We shouldn't be so eager to have role models that lead a preference cascade for women towards

00:54:34.780 the right that you adopt people with the same temperament of the likes of Renee Good to

00:54:40.220 then come over and set the terms for how the right engage with the left.

00:54:43.720 Right.

00:54:43.760 So what, what it should be instead is saying no overall to civilizational shit tests imposed

00:54:52.160 by emotionally incontinent women.

00:54:54.040 Not all women, but there are emotionally incontinent and outspoken women and, and both Carl Benjamin

00:54:59.620 and Mary Harrington, a recent piece framed the, um, the sort of tick tocks that lots of women

00:55:06.160 do, uh, calling Trump a fascist and basically scaremongering about, you know, jackboots being

00:55:13.060 on the streets and kicking down the doors and kidnapping random families and this, these

00:55:17.560 altercations that these liberal female activists adding with ice as a kind of provocation for the

00:55:22.940 return of what they think of patriarchy is, which is male authority, which is basically

00:55:26.620 saying, I feel insecure right now.

00:55:28.980 My anxieties are getting ahold of me.

00:55:31.020 I am going to cause trouble until someone sets a boundary because my rules aren't keeping

00:55:35.680 me safe.

00:55:36.600 And so what needs to happen broadly is yes, we need to enforce rules and those rules need

00:55:42.280 to be based on a healthy system.

00:55:43.900 That's just the function of women.

00:55:44.920 That's the proper place of women's is to enforce moral rules with children and other women,

00:55:48.780 but men need to set those boundaries.

00:55:50.440 And if we haven't set those boundaries on the right, if we haven't, as Curtis, your

00:55:53.840 other one said, um, got a plan to actually own the libs, like tell them what to do.

00:55:58.540 If we haven't figured out how to incorporate them yet, then as you said, we've got no one

00:56:01.680 but ourselves to blame.

00:56:02.780 Yeah.

00:56:03.340 Well, because women are going to follow the incentive structures that exist and then tighten

00:56:08.540 ranks around them versus men who, again, a man in a healthy condition is going to be

00:56:14.320 disagreeable.

00:56:15.040 And that's a good thing.

00:56:16.340 They are the ones that actually define what those incentive structures are.

00:56:19.220 So the question is, is it the women's fault for, again, just naturally following the incentive

00:56:24.600 structures, which they have done?

00:56:26.240 That's how women are engineered.

00:56:27.280 They've done this for 6,000 years.

00:56:29.000 This is just how the world works.

00:56:30.460 Or is it the fault of the men who ultimately are the ones that determine what the incentive

00:56:34.220 structures are and what they are going to reward?

00:56:37.080 Yeah.

00:56:37.320 So men obviously being the ones defining the incentive structures that we've, as we've pointed

00:56:42.000 out, the question is the Trump response to Minneapolis.

00:56:45.880 This is something we've debated on IRL, here on TimCast.

00:56:49.820 I've made these arguments only at Morning Show.

00:56:51.920 There actually is a diverse set of opinions on exactly how the Trump administration has

00:56:56.180 responded.

00:56:56.800 Because we have to keep in mind, the entire thing that kicked off this entire fiasco in

00:57:00.640 Minneapolis was Nick Shirley walking around Minneapolis with a camera and pointing at the

00:57:05.380 most egregious, in-your-face forms of fraud you've ever seen in your entire life.

00:57:09.440 I made the point on the show last night, similar to the George Floyd riots, where if that guy

00:57:14.540 working the counter at that gas station would have just taken that $20 bill, we would have

00:57:18.800 mitigated this entire situation.

00:57:20.380 It's the same thing.

00:57:21.160 If that person would have just spelled learning correctly on that sign, we probably, Renee

00:57:25.820 Good would be alive today just terrorizing her HOA board.

00:57:28.560 So we could have mitigated this entire situation if we just had a little more leeway from these

00:57:34.740 people.

00:57:35.080 If Cousin Marriage hadn't made the entire Somali diaspora intergenerationally dyslexic,

00:57:40.980 there wouldn't be an interaction being fomented in Minnesota right now.

00:57:44.300 Actually, you know what?

00:57:45.120 This is a life update.

00:57:46.320 The most radicalizing thing I've ever seen was re-watching Jingle all the way over Christmas

00:57:50.960 and realizing it's set in Minneapolis.

00:57:53.340 Yeah, literally.

00:57:54.740 Yeah, like Turbo Man.

00:57:56.920 Oh, that's such a good movie.

00:57:58.680 Yeah, I miss that.

00:58:00.220 I miss when Arnold Schwarzenegger was like the most diverse person you would ever encounter

00:58:04.420 like in your entire like life.

00:58:07.280 The peak of race relations was Sinbad getting the action figure at the end of the movie for

00:58:12.380 his son while Arnold Schwarzenegger is like hoisted on the shoulders of a crowd championed

00:58:16.940 as the best dad in the world for being Turbo Man.

00:58:19.420 And now Minneapolis is literally Mogadishu.

00:58:21.920 Yeah.

00:58:22.380 I mean, that's a good point is like the 90s.

00:58:24.360 You know, a lot of people, especially Gen Xers, always perceive the 90s as peak of civilization,

00:58:30.840 but they also perceive 90s as the peak of race relations.

00:58:34.260 I mean, we had the LA riots and these sorts of things, but people generally felt like that

00:58:37.580 was the law and were white and black people kind of finally understood each other.

00:58:40.540 And the interesting thing is they understood their very different cultures, but they kind

00:58:45.700 of had come to an understanding.

00:58:47.000 I actually agree with that presupposition.

00:58:48.500 It did feel like things were at its peak.

00:58:51.100 But what people, I don't think they accurately prescribed what happened when it broke down

00:58:55.820 as part of it was, again, you just introduced a whole bunch of other groups into the country

00:59:02.440 that began warring over the levers of power.

00:59:07.640 And so suddenly, you know, white and black people couldn't focus their, like in the entire

00:59:12.120 media apparatus couldn't focus their bandwidth on race relations just between white and black

00:59:17.440 people.

00:59:17.660 Well, suddenly we had like Asians in the mix and Indians, Mexicans, and it caused a lot

00:59:21.980 of problems.

00:59:22.500 And so I think that actually could be maybe an outcome of mass migration is it actually

00:59:28.260 could in a way contribute to the sort of, I guess, decline or understanding between white

00:59:32.720 and black people that we're seeing again in the United States.

00:59:36.300 I don't know if there's something to that.

00:59:37.800 That's just a thesis that I come up with after hearing about your anecdote about Sinbad and

00:59:42.560 Arnold Schwarzenegger having this wholesome, chungus moment at the end of Jingle All

00:59:46.620 the Way, but it's so true.

00:59:47.240 But yeah, it's when you watch these movies from the 90s, like the Home Alone movie, and

00:59:51.580 the house is this beautiful, like colonial style home.

00:59:54.960 And then you see the picture of what they've done to it now.

00:59:56.940 The millennials got their paws on it and they just like ripped out everything.

01:00:00.060 The banisters, they ripped out all the beautiful woodwork.

01:00:02.620 And it's just gray, white.

01:00:04.280 It's just disastrous.

01:00:05.600 There's so much meat on the bone there of, again, going back to like the anxiety of people where

01:00:10.520 they need everything to be clean and they need everything to be as innocuous as possible

01:00:15.880 so they don't have to like think about it.

01:00:19.380 That's an interesting route we could go down.

01:00:21.360 But back to the original question of the Trump administration's response to Minneapolis.

01:00:27.640 So this entire thing obviously starts over the most egregious trolley you've ever seen in

01:00:31.860 your entire life.

01:00:32.640 And Kirstie, you know him correctly, I would say, deploys 3,000 DHS agents to mop up the

01:00:37.680 situation.

01:00:38.320 Like, oh my gosh, we knew it was bad, but we didn't know it was like this bad.

01:00:42.500 Floods the place of DHS agents, causes protests, which is going to happen because leftists really

01:00:47.800 just are keen on replacing themselves because they have this suicidal tendency.

01:00:51.420 Self-hatred is baked into the pie.

01:00:52.940 DHS floods the scene and then obviously this ice-involved shooting happens.

01:01:00.760 This is the question, is a lot of people on the right, I may get some flack for this,

01:01:05.060 but a lot of people on the right are clamoring for the Insurrection Act to be invoked.

01:01:09.480 And I think I generally agree with that.

01:01:12.600 But to steal man the Trump administration's position so far is once you play that card,

01:01:17.400 the Insurrection Act card, what you say to the left is anytime you guys get out of line,

01:01:21.940 we're just going to deploy the Trump card and we're just going to go all in and stamp

01:01:26.180 it out.

01:01:26.800 Which in this instance, after they're stealing firearms on the back of federal vehicles and

01:01:31.440 seizing documents like it's Slenderman, you know, they're collecting papers on the street.

01:01:35.180 There's something to be said about like, okay, maybe it is time to invoke the Insurrection

01:01:38.280 Act.

01:01:39.040 But to steal man the Trump administration is thinking so far, and Pat Casey outlined this

01:01:44.460 really well when he was on my show last Monday, that episode is up on the culture.

01:01:47.800 If we can mop this up with the three-letter agencies and force these left-wing governors

01:01:54.120 into line without using the Insurrection Act, that's a bigger victory than just going all

01:01:59.460 in, invoking the Insurrection Act and just stomping this out.

01:02:01.880 Because again, that's not going to necessarily teach them a lesson.

01:02:04.520 If anything, that might actually give them more ammo.

01:02:08.300 They can say, wow, if we get out of line, the government has to use the Insurrection Act.

01:02:11.840 There might be, this resistance might be more formidable than we initially perceived.

01:02:16.040 I don't know what your perception is, especially coming, you know, out looking from the outside

01:02:19.720 in.

01:02:20.440 But for me, that line of thinking makes sense from the Trump administration, because that

01:02:24.460 seems to be where their head is at thus far.

01:02:26.900 If you pull the trigger on the Insurrection Act, then you're going to have to be prepared

01:02:30.820 to fight that metaphorical, hopefully, war on multiple fronts.

01:02:36.660 Like Chicago, California, they're going to throw their toys out the pram, and they're going

01:02:42.580 to block further deportations.

01:02:44.160 Pritzker is, yeah, he is eyeing up deploying Chicago's own National Guard to fight the federal

01:02:51.980 government like it's a 12-pack of donuts.

01:02:54.440 So you've got to be ready for that risk.

01:02:58.120 I mean, the wind conditions for Minnesota, I would assume, is the ridding of Congress of

01:03:04.960 Ilhan Omar and her denaturalization and deportation.

01:03:07.300 If you can't get that done within the next couple of years, there is going to be nothing

01:03:12.120 that the Trump government has no point.

01:03:14.440 There's no political consequences for ethnically gerrymandering your state and seemingly breaking

01:03:21.600 the law on the immigration and asylum system, while also insulting the heritage and identity

01:03:28.240 of America and promising to use its government structure to redistribute funds to your ethnic

01:03:36.640 cartel.

01:03:37.420 Like, she just has to go.

01:03:39.160 Preferably in the least comfortable plane with no window seat possible.

01:03:42.540 So she needs to go.

01:03:44.360 Tim Waltz needs to face consequences for this because he seems to be at the heart of the

01:03:47.920 Minnesota Democrat political machine.

01:03:50.020 He seems to have boasted about redistributing all these funds, these fake daycares, and these

01:03:54.760 medical transport and health insurance scams.

01:03:58.760 And he has repeatedly suggested that a hot war could break out and he's prepared to deploy

01:04:05.580 Minnesota National Guard to shoot people.

01:04:07.240 Okay, that's sedition.

01:04:09.200 Are we going to punish that?

01:04:11.280 And I understand that that might require going in with the Insurrection Act, so you need to

01:04:15.340 be prepared to do that.

01:04:16.340 But, like, Waltz just can't be there.

01:04:18.740 Because remember, everyone, he was nearly vice president.

01:04:21.200 Like, yeah.

01:04:21.700 It wasn't that far off.

01:04:23.260 Half the country still voted for that Muppet.

01:04:25.280 Quite literally.

01:04:25.860 Looks like a Jim Henson character.

01:04:27.200 Looks like Hoggle Shave.

01:04:29.460 And then what you want, ultimately, is the removal of pretty much every Somali from the

01:04:35.080 United States.

01:04:36.100 Like, the reason that Ayan Hussey Ali is a complete outlier is because Somalia doesn't

01:04:41.260 like Ayan Hussey Ali, and Minneapolis now looks like Somalia.

01:04:44.700 So it turns out that if you can judge this entire nation on the content of their character

01:04:47.780 and the diaspora, it turns out that the content of their character comes up wanting.

01:04:50.840 So, what people have to realize is, in order to actually accurately punish this mass, not

01:04:58.580 just financial, but probably immigration visa fraud network, it's going to look like collective

01:05:04.520 punishment.

01:05:05.360 It's not actually going to be collective punishment if you conduct it properly, but it's going

01:05:08.900 to look like it.

01:05:09.660 The mass expulsion of an entire community.

01:05:11.820 And people need to steal their nerves for that, because this will own it.

01:05:17.620 It's going to be the same in the UK with Pakistanis, for example, after the grooming gang scandal.

01:05:22.340 This will only be the first sort of mass expulsion event in order to save the demographics and

01:05:26.920 culture of your country.

01:05:28.280 We're not just talking about the economics here, because they're plumbering the treasury.

01:05:30.720 This will be the first mass expulsion event.

01:05:32.360 And the Trump administration also needs to prepare themselves for this, and this is going

01:05:35.420 to be a serious third rail.

01:05:37.800 But Nick Shirley hasn't been the only one investigating this.

01:05:40.160 Tyler Olivera put out this video today.

01:05:41.720 I don't know if you've seen anything about it.

01:05:43.500 Where he's going to a New York neighborhood, and it's a lot of Hasidic Jews who seem to

01:05:47.700 be brazenly ripping off the American taxpayer, with none of the men working, all of them having

01:05:52.940 like 8 to 18 kids, and they're all on welfare.

01:05:56.780 And it's going to cause a headache for identity interest groups who are closer to the Trump

01:06:03.660 administration.

01:06:04.540 And hey, that's just American politics.

01:06:06.440 If there are large ethnic groups situated in American states who have countries of their

01:06:12.240 own, and instead are not contributing anything to the country, and are just taking money from

01:06:17.480 the hardworking American taxpayer who can't afford to have their own families, when they're

01:06:21.180 having disproportionately larger families and therefore playing into demographic replacement,

01:06:25.220 then the Trump administration needs to be ready to crack down on that, no matter the identity-based

01:06:29.400 political backlash that they're going to receive.

01:06:31.660 And my concern is that the administration doesn't currently have the competent personnel

01:06:37.360 nor the stomach to do so.

01:06:39.220 Yep.

01:06:39.860 Yeah.

01:06:40.200 No, I totally agree.

01:06:41.000 I mean, your first point, Minnesota, I think the stakes are actually sky high here.

01:06:44.820 I think this sets the tone for the next three years, which is why you need to drag Tim Walts

01:06:49.000 into a courthouse.

01:06:50.080 There is no question about that.

01:06:51.660 That is the victory condition, Elon Omar, denaturalization, deportation.

01:06:54.760 Again, that is the win condition.

01:06:57.340 And then, yeah, and your point of the Tyler Olivera video, something people don't want to

01:07:00.480 talk about, they don't want to touch, because again, it just, there's a lot of moving parts

01:07:04.760 here, a lot of conflicting interest groups.

01:07:06.520 But what you're describing, there's this town in Monroe, New York.

01:07:09.460 It's in upstate New York.

01:07:10.100 This is actually red.

01:07:11.220 This is a red area.

01:07:13.140 A group of fascetics from Brooklyn moved up there.

01:07:16.060 This was like 30, 40 years ago.

01:07:18.320 And they formed this little enclave in this, near this town or right next to this town of

01:07:22.600 Monroe.

01:07:23.520 But again, like you said, they have 12 kids a pop, so they're doubling their population every

01:07:26.660 10 years.

01:07:27.180 Because they literally incorporated a town with the state of New York under like a town

01:07:31.760 charter, which hasn't happened in like 20, 30 years, formed this town called Curious

01:07:34.680 Joel.

01:07:35.700 And if you ask anybody in upstate New York that lives in that area, they will tell you

01:07:40.440 these, they are causing issues.

01:07:42.960 They are causing problems.

01:07:43.680 Like you said, I mean, they have the, they have higher welfare participation rates in

01:07:47.480 Curious Joel than every Native American reservation in the United States.

01:07:50.460 And Native Americans famously are like on government subsidies and mass.

01:07:54.560 So it's a serious, serious issue.

01:07:56.820 And this is going to cause problems because it's really complicated for Republicans because

01:07:59.720 Hasidics vote as a block and they've been voting for the Republican Party.

01:08:03.600 And obviously Trump really wants to see New York fall into the red column.

01:08:07.620 I think that probably every Republican would like to see that.

01:08:09.960 There's a lot of electoral college votes on the table there.

01:08:12.460 How do you navigate that?

01:08:13.860 How do you advocate for Americans?

01:08:15.440 Because again, these Hasidic, these Hasidics that have moved there and have taken over this

01:08:19.740 town and really just ruined the lives for anyone that wanted to, again, live in Monroe going

01:08:24.780 forward.

01:08:26.000 How do you navigate that?

01:08:27.100 Because it's like, you're going to potentially commit an act that would be extremely politically

01:08:33.200 inexpedient in the longterm in the state of New York.

01:08:36.360 But you have to do that because if you're going to advocate for Americans, then you have

01:08:40.220 to do this.

01:08:40.700 So a lot of moving parts, a lot of questions.

01:08:43.120 I think we could probably get into that in another episode, but keep an eye, go watch the

01:08:47.180 Tali Olivera video and read up on it.

01:08:48.880 It's a really fascinating scenario.

01:08:50.100 But with that, I think we need to wind down the show.

01:08:53.360 Thank you very much for watching, everybody.

01:08:55.260 It's good to be back.

01:08:56.140 It's good to be back here in 2026.

01:08:57.900 Again, I'm not black, but I think 2026 is going to be a big year.

01:09:01.780 This show is going to grow.

01:09:02.760 We have a lot of plans in the works for what we want to do with the show.

01:09:05.980 And this is, I think, the year for across the pond for Patriots globally.

01:09:10.420 You can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tape Brown.

01:09:13.800 And again, we are here every weekend, episodes going up on Connor's channel.

01:09:17.180 As well as the Tim Pool channel.

01:09:19.040 We'll keep you updated if any changes happen going forward.

01:09:21.900 Connor, we're going to find you.

01:09:23.380 They can follow me on YouTube at Connor Tomlinson, on Substack at Connor Tomlinson, on the publication

01:09:28.440 Tomlinson Talks, and on X, when it's working again, at Con underscore Tomlinson.

01:09:32.740 And I just wanted to say, it's good to be back.

01:09:36.440 It's good to be back.

01:09:37.340 We're so back.

01:09:38.260 Well, and we'll be back tomorrow with the great Nathan Halberstad.

01:09:41.220 We have a whole plethora of topics we want to get into with them.

01:09:44.260 He's one of those haiku Patriots that I've referenced in the past.

01:09:47.300 We're very excited about it.

01:09:48.540 So we will see you guys tomorrow.

01:09:49.840 We'll see you guys tomorrow.

01:09:50.620 We'll see you at the bottom.

01:09:52.180 Bye.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - January 17, 2026

Starmer Implodes as Nigel Farage Destroys the Tories ｜ The Culture War's Across the Pond

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