The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 06, 2025


Texas Rep Calls For ARREST Of Democrats Who Fled, Possible BRIBERY CHARGES ft. Briscoe Cain

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Democrats fleeing state Legislature redistricting efforts Democrats breaking quorum
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On today's show, we have a special guest from the Texas House Freedom Caucus, Tim Cain, who has served in the House of Representatives for 5 terms and is currently serving as the Chairman of the Freedom Caucus. He joins us to talk about a variety of topics, including: - Democrats fleeing the state of Texas - Should the FBI be called in to help find and arrest them? - What is the role of the FBI in this situation? - Who has the right to break quorum in a state where there are no quorum? - And what should the FBI do about it?

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00:00:58.380 Hey, so what did you want to talk about?
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00:01:28.940 Pritzker's, of course, you know, talking at his rear end trying to claim this violates
00:01:32.520 the Constitution.
00:01:34.060 Those things are left to the states, as you may know, and it's perfectly fine for us to
00:01:39.300 do so.
00:01:39.960 We have this story from The Guardian.
00:01:41.860 Texas senator asks FBI to help locate and arrest Democrats for leaving the state.
00:01:47.660 John Cornyn ramps up gerrymandering showdown between lawmakers and Trump administration
00:01:53.860 seeking GOP seats.
00:01:55.620 You got to hand it to Texas.
00:01:57.860 They tend to be the ones getting the ball rolling.
00:02:00.540 You got Ken Paxton.
00:02:01.700 You got Abbott.
00:02:03.180 They're doing all right.
00:02:05.180 Now, many people have complained about the actions Abbott has taken in the past, saying
00:02:08.080 that he's largely still just helping Democrats.
00:02:10.320 Yes, maybe, but it does seem like on cultural issues, we got Missouri and we got Texas.
00:02:16.020 Now, right now, the battle is raging on.
00:02:19.660 Donald Trump has said maybe the FBI does need to get involved when asked about John Cornyn's
00:02:24.060 call.
00:02:25.020 Send in the feds to force these people back. 0.98
00:02:27.240 But this is a state issue.
00:02:28.880 It is a state issue.
00:02:30.520 Now, the question is, do these Democrats who have fled Texas have the right to break quorum?
00:02:35.880 For those that missed the story, the quick gist is this.
00:02:37.560 The Republicans want to redistrict.
00:02:40.580 Such a new redistricting could swing the state or could swing the Congress for Republicans
00:02:45.400 by five seats.
00:02:47.240 The new the new map would eliminate certain Democrat seats and create weight for Republicans
00:02:51.280 in those districts.
00:02:52.560 This would give Trump a massive advantage.
00:02:54.520 The story is that Trump personally called and said, do the redistricting now.
00:02:58.040 I need those seats for 2026.
00:03:00.420 Democrats have said this is unconstitutional and that you're breaking the rules.
00:03:04.480 It's not unconstitutional.
00:03:05.460 It's not violating the law.
00:03:06.560 It's just untoward.
00:03:09.300 It is extremely rare that a redistricting happens mid census.
00:03:13.060 Like we're between two censuses.
00:03:15.700 Sensei?
00:03:16.480 Whatever.
00:03:17.460 And so they're saying it's unjust.
00:03:19.420 Well, let's do this.
00:03:21.380 I am going to bring in a rep from Texas.
00:03:24.280 Briscoe Cain is going to break down for us exactly what's going on and and the rules
00:03:28.360 and their plans.
00:03:29.460 Let me load this interview right now and get that show going.
00:03:32.560 All right.
00:03:36.900 Here we go.
00:03:38.740 Loading it up.
00:03:39.880 Looks like we are good.
00:03:42.240 Let's hit it.
00:03:44.520 All right.
00:03:45.140 It looks like a good sir.
00:03:46.380 Can you hear me?
00:03:46.860 I can't.
00:03:48.520 How's it going, Tim?
00:03:49.600 It's going pretty well.
00:03:51.440 So you're a rep in the Texas House?
00:03:54.680 I am.
00:03:55.320 Yes, sir.
00:03:55.820 Do you want to give a quick introduction to who you are and your district and what you do?
00:04:00.720 Yeah, I've served five terms in the Texas House.
00:04:03.500 I'm the chairman of the Texas House Freedom Caucus and represent a lot of the Port of Houston,
00:04:08.500 which some people may not be familiar with.
00:04:10.280 But that's we produce close to 90 percent of the jet fuel for the country.
00:04:15.820 It's considered the largest manufacturing complex on Earth.
00:04:20.380 Wow.
00:04:20.820 All right.
00:04:21.420 Let me just.
00:04:21.860 Good thing.
00:04:22.320 I'm going to jump straight to it.
00:04:24.160 Should these Democrats who have fled your state be arrested for breaking quorum and fleeing?
00:04:28.660 Yeah, absolutely.
00:04:31.160 Sooner than later, I'm a little irritated at leadership kind of dragging their feet, not
00:04:34.560 doing it yet.
00:04:35.680 Right.
00:04:35.920 They've given them till Friday.
00:04:37.300 It's nonsense.
00:04:38.140 Arrest them. 0.90
00:04:38.640 Bring them in because we only need we only need six, Tim.
00:04:41.580 You need six.
00:04:42.260 Yeah, we just need six more.
00:04:44.700 We have 88 Republicans.
00:04:46.340 So we need 12 Democrats.
00:04:48.180 Six are here.
00:04:49.980 And, you know, we discuss that.
00:04:51.220 Right.
00:04:51.420 I don't know if you may help the audience understand that we're one of four states.
00:04:55.660 There were originally more than that, that have a two thirds quorum requirement.
00:04:59.720 That's two thirds of the elected.
00:05:01.240 Right.
00:05:01.440 So we have to have 100 to to do business, you know, and it needs the Constitution needs to
00:05:07.580 be amended.
00:05:08.060 But to do so, we need 100.
00:05:09.600 And the odds of any Democrats ever voting with us to do that is is pretty low.
00:05:14.320 But the purpose, the historical purpose of it was was our days of horseback and walking,
00:05:21.260 you know, and so if some state legislature was going to convene on a certain day, obviously
00:05:25.280 you had to kind of wait.
00:05:27.100 Right.
00:05:27.220 You couldn't plan your trip, you know, like seven, eight days to the capital or something
00:05:30.800 like that.
00:05:31.260 Right.
00:05:31.800 Those days are gone.
00:05:33.560 And I wish we would have listened to Madison or at least it's it said that Madison wrote,
00:05:38.560 I believe it's Federalist 58, actually, where he points out, like, this is a bad idea.
00:05:43.340 It will it will cause this folly.
00:05:44.980 It would allow the minority to take over. 0.78
00:05:46.600 And it was a bit of an oversight, because if you take it to its its extreme, does that
00:05:52.480 mean they could just literally not show up on day one of a session and kill two years
00:05:56.540 is the only thing is for them to face voters?
00:06:01.180 Is that the only punishment?
00:06:02.340 Of course not. 0.81
00:06:03.180 That's ludicrous to think so.
00:06:05.800 Let me let me ask you, there were civil arrest warrants that were issued.
00:06:10.280 And so it's a confusing thing, because how could you arrest someone on a civil violation?
00:06:17.300 Are there any long term penalties beyond fines for these civil arrest warrants?
00:06:25.180 Yeah, certainly.
00:06:27.180 And there could be.
00:06:28.320 So there's civil because, right, the Speaker of the House is not a not like a criminal magistrate,
00:06:33.660 but they're legitimate arrest warrants.
00:06:36.240 And it goes through the sergeant at arms.
00:06:37.800 And then thankfully, the governor is his task DPS with assisting.
00:06:40.960 And that that includes the Texas Rangers.
00:06:43.620 And sadly, though, the district kind of gave them till Friday.
00:06:47.120 Look, there are I know I know of three that are in Houston right now that that never left.
00:06:52.740 Now, granted, it might look bad.
00:06:54.720 These are these are some of our older folks.
00:06:57.120 And, you know, the D's could probably make a heyday off of claiming that you arrested grandma.
00:07:02.580 But grandma's not doing her job and she should have none of the benefits of seniority or their extra money. 1.00
00:07:08.720 We need to go after all of it.
00:07:10.240 There's also things that look like bribery.
00:07:12.540 Yeah, it does.
00:07:14.640 I mean, my understanding is that some of these members have been fundraising.
00:07:18.900 There have been efforts to raise money on their behalf for this effort.
00:07:24.180 Exactly, man.
00:07:25.200 I don't know if you want to.
00:07:26.100 I can read you the statute if you're interested.
00:07:27.620 I know we've got time, but it's Section 3602 of the Texas Penal Code.
00:07:32.600 It says person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly offers, confers or agrees to confer another or solicits, accepts or agrees to accept from another person any benefit as consideration for the recipient's decision, opinion, recommendation, vote or other exercise of discretion as a public servant, party official or voter.
00:07:54.480 Some of this sounds like it might be might be on point, man.
00:07:58.060 So so has have there been fundraising efforts from these Democrats in this area?
00:08:03.600 Yeah, certainly so.
00:08:04.800 In fact, I think recently Jasmine Crockett kind of got caught mentioning doing exactly that, not just fundraising, but helping to fund their lifestyle, to fund them there.
00:08:16.180 They funded the private jet to help them leave, right, in exchange for their discretion not to be there.
00:08:23.040 They got on private jets.
00:08:24.420 And so that has to be reported.
00:08:26.060 I can't fly on a private jet without having to report that on my ethics expenditure, okay?
00:08:32.600 But these are serious problems.
00:08:34.560 And the fines, the fines are cool.
00:08:36.760 I mean, we get paid, you know, a handsome $700 a month for it.
00:08:41.800 And it's $500 a day plus the cost of having to go get them.
00:08:47.180 Wow.
00:08:47.460 So this is this is the weird thing to me.
00:08:51.580 Any job on the planet, if you if you are called in by your boss for what is part of your job, part of your contract, and you go, nah, I'm hopping a private jet and leaving and I won't be back.
00:09:02.000 That's called quitting.
00:09:02.800 So how is it that they have not vacated their seat by their own admission by saying we will not be president?
00:09:09.760 I mean, they've publicly admitted it, admitted this is what they're doing and why shouldn't that be statement enough to say we have vacated our seats?
00:09:18.000 Yeah, I think so.
00:09:19.800 Of course, it's gonna be left to the courts and they're gonna have to struggle with where's the line, right?
00:09:23.780 We gave an extreme example earlier, like you could not show up for two years and literally prevent the legislature from doing anything.
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00:10:27.920 Well, that'd be weird if the only repercussion was the voters.
00:10:32.000 It doesn't make sense. So where is it?
00:10:33.940 Do you have to express some intent to return?
00:10:36.200 Right now, they've expressed no present intent to come back, right?
00:10:40.500 If you're like, hey, I'll be back in a few days, you go, okay, they haven't abandoned it.
00:10:44.040 Right now, they're like, we're never coming back. 1.00
00:10:46.520 You know, screw you guys. 0.99
00:10:47.700 It sounds like abandonment, right? 0.99
00:10:50.200 And so not only should they face, you know, the repercussions from the voters at the ballot box, which the past two times, which is 2004, they broke quorum.
00:10:59.320 They ran off to Oklahoma and in New Mexico.
00:11:02.740 That was a redistricting year.
00:11:04.240 When we came back, the Republican majority grew after 2021.
00:11:09.740 When they broke quorum, they went off to D.C.
00:11:12.240 They were then nicknamed the Miller D's.
00:11:14.380 That's because they, you know, had a 24-pack of Miller Lite there on the bus with them.
00:11:17.660 They were leaving.
00:11:18.880 And I'll remember this one well.
00:11:20.420 That was actually my bill.
00:11:21.740 I was the chairman of elections, and that was my bill when they walked off the floor that day.
00:11:27.440 We grew the Republican majority after that as well, and some of them lost their seats, and we still did it anyways.
00:11:34.420 And I think this time it's going to be even worse.
00:11:37.060 Anybody that's paying attention to Texas politics may know that our speaker was elected with a majority of the minority party.
00:11:44.040 And so there's been a coalition speakership.
00:11:46.300 And what they're doing now, I believe, is actually uniting the moderates and the conservatives in the House against them.
00:11:53.260 And I think they've committed political suicide.
00:11:55.360 They don't realize it because no longer for a while it was a theory or rumor that in order for them to say, you know, the speakers may be offering things, right, taking certain things off the table.
00:12:04.960 Well, now they broke that, and there's literally no reason for leadership to give them absolutely anything.
00:12:10.780 We should shove it all down their throat when we get them back. 0.87
00:12:12.720 So on this bribery point, do you believe, based on what you've seen so far, that there should be criminal charges for bribery?
00:12:22.540 There should at least be a grand jury investigation.
00:12:26.040 Seems reasonable.
00:12:26.740 I can't speak to whether they've definitely done it.
00:12:28.740 It's not my area of law.
00:12:30.200 I mean, the plain reading of it kind of smells bad and looks wrong, and someone needs to investigate it.
00:12:35.820 Yeah, yeah, especially.
00:12:38.180 Well, let me ask you now about the redistricting effort itself.
00:12:40.840 The argument that's being made by Democrats, you know, Governor J.B. Pritzker went on Colbert and said, Trump called Texas and said, I need five seats.
00:12:49.420 It is exceedingly rare to have a redistricting in the middle of a decade before the census comes in, and that this violates the Voting Rights Act and the Constitution.
00:12:59.220 So the first question is, why are you guys redistricting right now?
00:13:03.400 And, you know, what do you have to say about Pritzker's comments?
00:13:07.940 Yeah.
00:13:08.620 Well, Pritzker's, of course, you know, talking at his rear end, trying to claim this violates the Constitution.
00:13:14.780 Those things are left to the states, as you may know, and it's perfectly fine for us to do so.
00:13:20.880 In fact, there is a case out of Galveston, Galveston County, you know, that's the island down here on our coast, that allowed them to do a similar thing based on their redistricting.
00:13:30.780 And so for some time now, we realized we could do that, and it was an opportunity.
00:13:35.400 But also, the states change, not just because of the open border policies, but somewhat our good policies.
00:13:43.340 We're attracting people from those states, and they're fleeing.
00:13:45.980 And so to adjust for those demographics and that change, it would only make sense that we adjust our seats because we have our one-man, one-vote rule.
00:13:56.180 And through an interpretation of some federal case law, the seats must be almost perfectly identical.
00:14:02.000 We're meeting 766,987 people, plus one or minus one, right?
00:14:08.460 So you've got to get perfect, and obviously there needed to be an adjustment over the last five years from the, you know, 13-plus million illegals have come because it's not based on voters. 0.94
00:14:18.800 It's based on population.
00:14:19.840 At least that's the current interpretation of things.
00:14:23.160 And look, I think we're here to correct unconstitutional gerrymandering and to correct those things to ensure fair representation.
00:14:31.700 That's the idea.
00:14:32.540 But what triggered this?
00:14:33.820 Was it really, you know, Donald Trump calling and saying, what can we do in Texas?
00:14:37.140 Or is this something that you guys have been planning?
00:14:39.860 I can't answer that.
00:14:43.780 Because you don't know or you'll get in trouble.
00:14:45.360 This is going to be heavily, heavily litigated.
00:14:47.500 I can just say that I had been talking about it for over a year with some other folks that we were allowed to, at least, because of this Galveston County case.
00:14:55.640 Now, it doesn't mean they did it in response to me, but people were aware of the opportunity.
00:15:00.700 Absolutely.
00:15:01.020 So what do you mean by opportunity?
00:15:03.760 That sounds like it's political.
00:15:07.200 Yeah.
00:15:08.600 Okay.
00:15:09.320 The opportunity to fix wrongs.
00:15:11.520 It's an opportunity to fix wrongs, right?
00:15:13.780 It's to fix racial gerrymandering.
00:15:15.540 It's to fix the VRA and the requirements of it.
00:15:20.060 Really, when you get to the heart of it, it's racist.
00:15:23.320 So explain that.
00:15:24.020 What is that?
00:15:25.260 Yeah.
00:15:25.500 I remember redistricting in 2021 when I was first running for state rep.
00:15:30.140 There's a Freedman's town, an old Freedman's town in my district.
00:15:35.180 Or actually, it's not in my district.
00:15:36.260 It's carved out.
00:15:37.360 You're going up the line.
00:15:38.780 All of a sudden, this box comes over and it goes up.
00:15:41.120 And I remember being really excited that I could go and talk with these people.
00:15:44.300 And then I realized they're not in the district.
00:15:47.280 And we were going, well, that looks like racial gerrymandering.
00:15:50.700 They're carved out.
00:15:52.100 Why?
00:15:52.520 Federal law required them to be with their own people.
00:15:57.120 Wow.
00:15:57.480 It would have been illegal to put them in my district.
00:16:02.760 And that's offensive.
00:16:04.240 But that's what the VRA was requiring, right?
00:16:07.240 And so this is an opportunity to correct some of those wrongs, to allow for fair representation
00:16:12.800 and to allow people to have, they call them communities of interest.
00:16:17.140 Well, why not communities?
00:16:18.980 Why not entire cities as opposed to some special class?
00:16:23.560 It doesn't make sense.
00:16:24.640 So, yeah, that's what I think I mean.
00:16:27.480 Is that something that, you know, I don't know if you would know this because you're
00:16:30.400 in Texas, but is that affecting all states?
00:16:32.420 Is it a federal law?
00:16:35.480 You'll quote me on this one.
00:16:36.580 There are still some states generally in the South that are under certain kind of what
00:16:41.980 they call preclearance rules and stuff.
00:16:44.260 And I'm not an expert on that, but it applies to some of us and not others.
00:16:49.380 It was funny because I've been hearing a lot of statements from Democrats where they keep
00:16:52.500 saying majority minority districts.
00:16:55.300 And I'm thinking to myself, what does that mean?
00:16:58.320 It's like they're acting like there are two races, white and not white, right? 0.85
00:17:01.900 So you say majority, what was it?
00:17:04.020 Majority-minority.
00:17:05.940 Yeah.
00:17:06.320 Or you'll hear the word minority coalition as if they own all people who aren't the same.
00:17:11.780 Right.
00:17:12.020 And you hear it in their interviews, they're like black and brown, like it's so terrible. 1.00
00:17:18.860 I know, thank God, at least our generation or at least people with moral clarity or intellectual
00:17:23.940 honesty recognize that that's nonsense and it does nothing but harm and divide.
00:17:28.980 Yeah, so what are people in these areas saying?
00:17:32.640 What I've heard is that there are districts that are Hispanic, that voted for Trump, voted
00:17:37.900 for Republicans, but are being forced through this racial gerrymandering to be in districts
00:17:42.840 where they'll never have their voices heard and it's going to go Democrat.
00:17:46.180 Yeah, bingo.
00:17:47.220 I can think of a House district next to me.
00:17:49.180 It's House District 144.
00:17:49.920 We, sadly, Republicans failed to put a candidate on the ballot and Trump won it, like 53%.
00:17:57.500 Wow.
00:17:58.060 It's a vastly majority Hispanic area.
00:18:00.880 Wow.
00:18:01.380 And he's still winning because conservatism speaks to them, right?
00:18:04.580 Through their opportunities and family values and just wanting government to get out of their
00:18:07.680 lives.
00:18:08.600 Wait, you guys didn't have a Republican?
00:18:09.740 And that's why it's a winning message.
00:18:11.120 You guys didn't have a candidate for the House on the ballot in that district?
00:18:14.920 No.
00:18:15.460 So it just default Democrat?
00:18:18.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:18:19.500 Oh, man.
00:18:19.980 And so that's what they're complaining about.
00:18:20.980 One of those seats, that seat would now be in what was Congressional District 9, at least
00:18:25.240 proposed.
00:18:25.980 That's why Al Green is...
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00:19:24.900 He's freaking out, realizing he's about to be out of Congress.
00:19:29.760 And that area that's currently represented by a Democrat state rep, the numbers say that's not it.
00:19:37.960 You don't own those people.
00:19:39.840 I mean, Al Green shouldn't be in Congress as far as I'm concerned.
00:19:42.820 When he wiggled his cane screaming at Trump during the State of the Union, the House tried to censure him.
00:19:49.260 And Democrats swelled up in the well, singing songs, obstructing the censure of this guy.
00:19:55.320 And it was only a censure.
00:19:56.960 It is remarkable to me that over the past decade plus, Democrats have repeatedly across this country,
00:20:04.180 either at the state level or federal level, even city level, violated the law, broken the rules,
00:20:08.700 but then act like it's an affront to them when Republicans say,
00:20:13.020 oh, hey, look, this is legal and we can do this.
00:20:14.860 They then accuse you of breaking the law.
00:20:16.840 That's right.
00:20:17.480 I've seen you've been covering that, right?
00:20:19.220 Showing the maps and things.
00:20:20.720 You know, it's funny the states they flew off to.
00:20:23.460 And they're probably all around.
00:20:24.960 But you went to Boston, Massachusetts, zero Republican congressional seats,
00:20:30.880 even though I think Republicans performed 40 percent there.
00:20:33.320 Wow.
00:20:33.780 And they went to Illinois.
00:20:34.740 Look at those.
00:20:35.300 Republicans performed better there on the presidential election,
00:20:39.520 but they gerrymandered the heck out of those things.
00:20:41.620 Illinois is 44 percent Republican as a state with three of 17 seats being Republican.
00:20:48.340 Bingo.
00:20:49.660 You get it.
00:20:51.020 And when you look at our proposed map, they're much more concentrated.
00:20:54.040 You don't see these crazy spider leg things.
00:20:56.880 And I remind you, they're going to look weird, right?
00:20:59.480 As I just mentioned, based on the population requirements that they be equal,
00:21:04.240 people don't live in equal little squares, right?
00:21:07.560 So you're going to have drawings that look funny.
00:21:09.420 Just FYI, I know every time somebody thinks something doesn't look like a square,
00:21:12.680 it must be quote unquote gerrymandering.
00:21:15.440 But there's, that's a legal term.
00:21:18.640 Like gerrymandering is illegal.
00:21:20.440 I think we covered this back in 21 or whenever the last redistricting was,
00:21:24.820 because there was one district, I can't remember where it was.
00:21:27.120 I think it's like in the Houston area or something.
00:21:28.360 And it's like a weird U shape.
00:21:31.060 And a lot of people were saying that's gerrymandering and gerrymandering is bad.
00:21:34.320 But when you actually broke it down, it's because some of the areas that are covered,
00:21:39.460 nobody lives in and has nothing to do with that community.
00:21:42.120 So people assume that because the maps are drawn weird shapes, it means gerrymandering.
00:21:47.120 No, gerrymandering is Illinois.
00:21:49.140 East St. Louis stretches in this long strip up to Urbana.
00:21:52.640 For the express purpose of combining two liberal cities and then everything in between,
00:21:58.500 which is rural, has no voice.
00:22:00.420 And so these people in Texas, these Texas Dems, they fly there.
00:22:04.320 And Pritzker had the nerve to go on Colbert and say,
00:22:08.020 one, it was, as a joke, it was drawn up by kindergartners,
00:22:11.740 as if to downplay the fact that they've intentionally stolen seats for Republicans.
00:22:16.380 But then he has the nerve to say, we will gerrymander more.
00:22:20.480 Here's the funny thing.
00:22:21.140 They can't.
00:22:22.520 They literally could not do more than they've already done in a bunch of these states.
00:22:27.780 They get squeezed nothing left out.
00:22:30.520 Yeah.
00:22:31.000 That's amazing.
00:22:32.040 Blood from a turnip.
00:22:33.280 So do you think Abbott is prepared to call more sessions over and over and over again
00:22:38.440 to get this job done?
00:22:39.380 Or do you think Democrats might win this one?
00:22:42.020 No, absolutely.
00:22:42.900 They're not going to win this one.
00:22:44.260 And they lose every time afterwards.
00:22:46.840 And I'm thankful for the governor standing up for the fight and being creative.
00:22:51.860 You know, filing his petition to have the Supreme Court declare Gene Wu's seat vacant.
00:22:58.060 Gene Wu's a Republican, not a Republican, a Democrat from Houston.
00:23:01.780 He's actually the chairman of the House Democrat Caucus.
00:23:05.160 And, you know, will it work?
00:23:07.480 I don't know.
00:23:07.940 But it's kind of like how Trump just is like, I got an idea.
00:23:10.500 Let's go for it.
00:23:11.400 You know, give it your best shot.
00:23:13.140 I don't just always count it out.
00:23:14.320 And so that's a good thing.
00:23:15.380 He did declare that vacant?
00:23:17.600 Well, he's filed a writ with the Texas Supreme Court seeking it to be declared vacant.
00:23:23.440 And the attorney general is also a few hours later filed a case.
00:23:26.700 And that was yesterday.
00:23:28.740 Let's go.
00:23:29.700 How do you think?
00:23:30.880 The argument is you've abandoned your seat, right?
00:23:35.400 It's like if you didn't give a letter of resignation when you left the job, but you didn't show up to work for a week and no call, no show.
00:23:42.500 They're kind of like, I think that guy quit.
00:23:44.740 That's the circumstances, right?
00:23:46.280 It's like, I have a feeling they quit.
00:23:48.240 They're not planning to come back.
00:23:49.460 I think we should go ahead and, you know, declare their seat vacant, order a special election, which, by the way, can be a great opportunity for Republicans.
00:23:57.320 Maybe flip some seats for a little bit.
00:23:59.680 What do you think the Supreme Court of Texas leans?
00:24:02.740 You think they're going to go Republican or what?
00:24:05.340 I don't know what they'll do.
00:24:07.020 I hope they will.
00:24:09.100 I hope they'll follow the law.
00:24:11.340 Of course, I would like for them to side with me politically, but not the expense of the integrity of the institution.
00:24:19.840 That's far more important, right?
00:24:21.520 That's the thing that I think separates us from the left is that process, right, matters, that law matters, that we still have that moral high ground.
00:24:30.020 But I'm hopeful.
00:24:31.000 And I'm actually in talks with a few of my colleagues on whether we're going to do some amicus letters and things advocating for it or explaining kind of the reasons, especially some of the historical context of why that quorum requirement's there.
00:24:44.760 Because the Democrats are arguing, like, this is a legitimate procedure.
00:24:48.200 It's not legitimate at all.
00:24:49.580 It's pure obstructionism.
00:24:50.860 I'm sick of the politicking across the board, across the country.
00:24:55.540 The purpose of the quorum, you already mentioned it, but back in the day when you're walking, the idea was, hey, if people aren't here, we don't want the minority rushing in and then passing bills against the will of the voters in the state.
00:25:07.920 The quorum rule is basically to be fair, but it's being exploited by people who've lost the elections.
00:25:14.080 That's it.
00:25:14.420 Elections have consequences.
00:25:15.940 So the politics – here's my concern is the judges are going to be not weighing the law or the practical reality, but they'll be weighing the implications politically.
00:25:25.920 And that's what we see over and over and over again way too often.
00:25:29.260 It's simple.
00:25:30.100 If you were judging this honestly, you'd say the quorum rule is not to be exploited to shut down Congress.
00:25:35.880 You have every opportunity to be at your session and do your job that you agreed to do.
00:25:40.840 And if you've chosen not to be there, there's some leeway, but after a few days, you have quit.
00:25:45.620 You are no longer working that job.
00:25:48.020 Vacated.
00:25:48.580 Yeah.
00:25:49.000 Done with it.
00:25:50.000 You know, I see – I would say in Texas, our judges are elected statewide, so they stand for election.
00:25:55.600 And they're not strangers to political pressures or name-calling.
00:25:59.900 And what I'm going to say is I think our state judges, at least elected judges, kind of tend to stand up to political pressure a little better than the federal appointed guys, right, who grew up in this bubble, have never been name-called before, have never had anybody yell at them or send mail or put up billboards.
00:26:14.420 Those dudes tend to kind of back down a lot easier than some of the elected ones.
00:26:20.400 And so I think they'll do the right thing.
00:26:23.420 Yeah.
00:26:23.980 I hope so.
00:26:24.620 I mean, one thing we've seen over the past decade plus is the left has been particularly good at organizing pressure campaigns.
00:26:32.220 So the real question for a lot of these elected officials and just judges in general, I mean, with all due respect to the Supreme Court, I think they've done pretty well recently.
00:26:40.960 But you look at Amy Coney Barrett's rulings after someone threatened to – someone actually tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh, they bend.
00:26:47.420 They bend.
00:26:48.060 There's absolutely no doubt that federal judges do that, 100 percent.
00:26:52.760 I've talked with some buddies that do federal practice, and they've discussed that exact thing, that, one, there needs to be defense to it.
00:26:59.960 Two, why aren't we doing the same thing to those guys, or at least their people, if it works, or at least if it's bad?
00:27:08.420 But, yep, you're 100 percent right.
00:27:09.960 I'll put it this way, you know, we had that famous court case, Texas v. Pennsylvania, back in 2021.
00:27:15.100 I think end of 2020, 2021, over the election, Texas as a state arguing that other states violated the Constitution by altering the rules of federal elections without going through their state legislatures.
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00:28:24.000 And the Supreme Court, except for Alito and Thomas, said, nah, we're not even going to hear the argument, which is cowardice.
00:28:30.820 I mean, it drove me nuts. I was in Pennsylvania during, after the election.
00:28:36.440 And the case, it was the Mike Kelly lawsuit.
00:28:40.020 It's actually five Texans and two New Yorkers that came up with the idea.
00:28:43.760 And we pitched it. And then eventually, you know, the big boys kind of stepped in.
00:28:47.440 And it was that exact point that you can't alter these things.
00:28:50.700 In fact, what was fascinating is Pennsylvania's constitution set forth when you could do mail-in balloting.
00:28:55.860 And so they passed the thing to amend that constitution.
00:29:01.140 Now, in Pennsylvania, in order to amend the constitution, the resolution to do so has to pass in two consecutive sessions.
00:29:06.320 So they hadn't done it yet.
00:29:08.840 Like, it hadn't even gone to the voters, yet they still did it.
00:29:12.240 And the Supreme Court totally dumped the best.
00:29:15.500 Like, you weren't allowed to do that, man.
00:29:17.760 Now, I don't know if the relief was viable, right, is asking to toss the whole thing out.
00:29:21.400 That may not be realistic, but they could at least say, hey, what y'all did was unconstitutional.
00:29:26.820 Adam just pointed out you weren't allowed to do that, right?
00:29:29.500 That would have been great. 0.99
00:29:30.760 Yet instead, they were cowards. 0.98
00:29:33.440 That's my concern across the board, right? 0.72
00:29:36.480 I talked to a state prosecutor in West Virginia and a previous AG who's now governor.
00:29:43.340 And I said, why aren't we seeing red states do what Democrats do in blue states?
00:29:48.260 That is, bring charges against their political opponents for things in which charges are warranted.
00:29:53.760 I don't want to see, you know, some random Democrat charge on a fake charge like they did to Trump.
00:29:57.800 But I'm saying with, like, the Clinton email server, for instance, was she campaigning at all in West Virginia?
00:30:04.100 Yes, she was.
00:30:05.360 Are there potential violations that the state—of course they could find these violations.
00:30:08.800 And everybody keeps asking why the federal government doesn't intervene when it's the states.
00:30:15.060 The states could be doing a lot of this, and Texas has been doing that.
00:30:18.080 Even right now, I see is what you guys are doing, often leading the charge in these challenges.
00:30:22.880 But where are the rest of these Republican states to take any action?
00:30:26.840 I have no idea.
00:30:27.580 I mean, one, we're blessed with that beautiful gold—it's actually black stuff that comes out of the ground—
00:30:33.800 that helps kind of fund our government and have the teams of lawyers.
00:30:37.600 I do recognize not every state has the budget, right, that we have to put that team together and put those cases together.
00:30:43.040 So sometimes you'll see us leading on that reason alone, right?
00:30:46.140 Some people just literally can't afford it.
00:30:47.720 And aside from the idea, and we talked about it before, right, where the left, that is the religion, that's who they are.
00:30:55.020 And I realize as conservatives, you know, we have families and jobs.
00:30:57.920 I've got five boys.
00:30:59.700 We're homeschool family as well.
00:31:01.440 It's right.
00:31:01.700 A single-income earner, essentially having to work part-time with this other part-time gig.
00:31:06.960 But if you're going to step into it, go full bore.
00:31:11.540 Don't, like, do it halfway.
00:31:13.000 I mean, be serious about it.
00:31:14.720 Americans want fighters.
00:31:15.900 We don't just want somebody to come up and vote.
00:31:19.080 I mean, there was a mandate sent for us to fight back against, you know, the left's oppression.
00:31:25.380 We have to.
00:31:26.280 It's only a narrow amount of time.
00:31:28.920 With what we're seeing Democrats do in your state, saying they're not going to come back,
00:31:33.180 Politico's reporting a fine of upwards of $400,000 per special session called by the governor, civil arrest warrants.
00:31:40.440 I mean, it sounds like the only way this gets resolved is if the state is willing to actually enforce action against these Democrats or at least take the interpretation.
00:31:50.220 If the courts don't say the seats are vacated, Democrats can just say, fine us.
00:31:55.680 We don't care.
00:31:56.520 You're so right.
00:32:00.760 There has to be consequences.
00:32:03.040 And I was only here for the 2021 quorum break.
00:32:05.260 But after all of us kind of sit here for like two and a half months doing nothing, waiting on them to return, right, interrupting our lives and being away from whatever, right?
00:32:14.620 And we signed up for it.
00:32:15.400 I get that.
00:32:15.780 I don't want to get a pity party.
00:32:16.940 And they return.
00:32:19.900 Essentially, it all went back to normal for most people. 0.95
00:32:23.960 I mean, they still get tons of pork in the budget, way more than freaking Republicans.
00:32:27.680 They still pass bills, way more than Republicans.
00:32:30.100 They still get to participate.
00:32:31.140 They get this session.
00:32:32.120 They're vice chairs with essentially the same power.
00:32:34.020 It's chairmanship.
00:32:34.940 They get this money.
00:32:35.820 And they leave.
00:32:37.580 And I hope it's different this time.
00:32:39.300 I hope when they come back that all bets are off, that it unites actually the Republican caucus.
00:32:44.300 And we stop even doing that because the excuse we hear all the time is, well, we have to do that because Texas has 100 quorum requirement.
00:32:51.600 Whatever.
00:32:52.340 OK, let's shove it down their throats. 0.94
00:32:54.080 We elected this majority.
00:32:55.540 That's all we need to pass bills.
00:32:56.640 And they don't want to show up.
00:32:57.980 Well, they didn't show up and we'll start vacating their seats.
00:33:00.280 So there's suffered consequences in the ballot box.
00:33:02.160 I don't know why we're negotiating with them, though.
00:33:04.500 I think governors should just do it. 0.50
00:33:06.220 If the courts drag their feet or play dirty games, we need men of action.
00:33:12.700 Listen, we need people who are going to say, listen, I'm not playing this game where you can leave, violate the spirit of our laws and our goodwill to steal political power in the state and in this country anymore.
00:33:24.660 So just say, nope, you know what you should do?
00:33:28.300 Just pass the resolution without quorum.
00:33:31.180 And the problem is very few people have the political will to even do it.
00:33:33.840 Just do it.
00:33:34.440 Let them sue you for violating quorum.
00:33:36.840 Let them bring the fight to you instead of you having to bring the fight to them.
00:33:39.480 Just do it.
00:33:40.000 Man, exactly.
00:33:42.180 And right now, they won't even let us on the front mic to maybe even give a speech or talk about it because we don't have a quorum.
00:33:47.860 I couldn't agree more.
00:33:49.120 Right.
00:33:49.260 We should just do it anyways.
00:33:50.600 See what they do about it.
00:33:51.960 Either way, it'll still be a great exercise.
00:33:54.320 We can show that we're fighting for it because, man, it's tough.
00:33:57.200 Right.
00:33:57.480 The legislature is unique.
00:33:59.760 We get all the time like, well, why didn't you pass the bill?
00:34:02.740 Just do it.
00:34:04.040 And, you know, our system of government wasn't set up that way.
00:34:06.460 Right.
00:34:06.700 The legislative branch is the most powerful branch.
00:34:09.140 I mean, I'm going to blow up a myth real quick.
00:34:11.100 We're not co-equal.
00:34:13.220 OK.
00:34:14.280 Congress, the Texas House, it was given gobs of power.
00:34:18.120 Right.
00:34:18.340 Plenary power, meaning we can do anything we want unless prohibited in the Constitution.
00:34:22.440 The other branches can only do what they're allowed to do.
00:34:24.820 But we're restrained.
00:34:26.040 Right.
00:34:26.160 I've got to convince the other chamber to agree.
00:34:28.520 You've got to get past the governor's veto or get to a governor's signature.
00:34:31.360 It was made really hard to do.
00:34:33.500 But there are people in positions that can do it without anyone else.
00:34:36.600 Right.
00:34:36.780 And thankfully, the governor's going for that in the AG.
00:34:38.920 But we've got a limited time.
00:34:41.000 But who's stopping you from just going to the floor?
00:34:46.580 Well, you know, you're going to love this one.
00:34:49.320 The parliamentarian won't allow it.
00:34:51.600 But who cares?
00:34:52.120 Hey, I'm with you.
00:34:54.940 If I was speaker, I'd say thank you for those words, parliamentarian.
00:34:58.320 We're calling the session anyway.
00:34:59.280 Goodbye.
00:35:00.740 Yeah, yeah.
00:35:01.680 Last time, we just went ahead and started having our own hearings informally, even if
00:35:05.500 it wasn't part of a committee.
00:35:06.660 I mean, there's no reason that 10 or 12 legislators who feel like working just get together and
00:35:11.540 talk about things.
00:35:12.400 We are human beings.
00:35:13.920 What we say is what we do.
00:35:15.320 And this idea that there is this structure in place by which Democrats can exploit it to
00:35:19.280 stop us makes literally no sense.
00:35:21.040 Well, I don't understand why it is.
00:35:23.380 Democrats can do things that break the Constitution and get away with it.
00:35:26.620 And Republicans go, but a parliamentarian won't let us speak.
00:35:30.280 Now, look, you know, without going in circles, were I in a position of power, I'd just be like,
00:35:36.700 parliamentarian, you can leave.
00:35:37.700 This is a formal session.
00:35:38.880 It is official and it is done.
00:35:40.520 Bye.
00:35:40.880 If the Democrats can break the rules, so can we.
00:35:44.120 And they can bring it to court and challenge it.
00:35:45.880 And then we'll see what happens.
00:35:46.920 But I don't want to rant.
00:35:47.880 I do appreciate you coming on.
00:35:49.220 Is there anything else you wanted to add before we go that people should know?
00:35:52.600 No, I just hope some of my colleagues, you know, hear your words of encouragement and
00:35:57.920 realize that there is more to be done.
00:36:00.020 They don't have to just sit around and wait.
00:36:02.480 But it's odd because it's almost like they're afraid of offending them because they want
00:36:05.800 to work with them.
00:36:06.340 They come back.
00:36:07.120 I don't get it.
00:36:07.820 If they were to tell their voters that they'd be so pissed off, like, oh, I'm nice to them
00:36:12.520 because we've got to get along.
00:36:13.400 That's not what you said on the campaign trail.
00:36:14.860 Right.
00:36:15.980 I assure you of that.
00:36:17.120 So thank you.
00:36:18.280 We just need six.
00:36:19.160 You know, look, maybe if there's a couple of bubbles out there with some.
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00:37:20.820 You know, big up pickup trucks, some Florida guys, some Georgia boys.
00:37:24.020 Just go find six of them and bring them back to Texas so we can get our job done. 0.98
00:37:28.820 Right on.
00:37:29.420 Rep Cain, thanks for joining me.
00:37:30.980 I appreciate it.
00:37:31.480 We'll see you next time.
00:37:33.200 Adios.
00:37:33.780 Take care.
00:37:36.340 All right.
00:37:37.180 I, you know, I'm just going to say it one more time.
00:37:40.420 I want people to do things.
00:37:44.460 So that was, of course, that was Rep Brisco Cain.
00:37:47.480 Really appreciate him joining and explaining everything that's going on.
00:37:50.200 We're going to get that raid going for you guys to go join our friend Russell Brand.
00:37:52.320 But I got to say it one more time because this one just strikes the heart, man.
00:37:56.900 Democrats have decided in Texas, we will violate the spirit of the rules.
00:38:03.000 Okay.
00:38:03.460 They're exploiting the rules by breaking quorum.
00:38:05.640 That was never the intent.
00:38:06.840 They're willing to face arrests.
00:38:08.620 They're willing to face fines for violations.
00:38:11.240 They don't care that the Republicans threaten weight of law against them.
00:38:16.220 We're the Republicans to say we will play in kind.
00:38:20.020 The session will happen without you.
00:38:22.220 The quorum will be damned because you broke it in the first place.
00:38:26.220 Sue me. 0.93
00:38:27.080 I'm not playing this game where I have to sue you.
00:38:29.080 You sue me.
00:38:29.840 I will do it anyway.
00:38:31.060 You sue me.
00:38:32.600 I'm sick of hearing these.
00:38:34.240 But the speaker said no.
00:38:35.680 Or the parliamentarian said no.
00:38:37.340 You think the Democrats cared when they broke quorum?
00:38:39.460 No, they're challenging you to sue them.
00:38:42.660 Let's play that game.
00:38:44.080 My friends, we got Russell Brand gearing up to go live and carry on with the next, I believe it's Russell Brand.
00:38:51.340 Let me make sure.
00:38:51.980 Sometimes it changes, but it's usually Russell.
00:38:54.840 And okay, so it's not Russell.
00:38:56.860 Who do we got going up?
00:38:58.880 I'm not sure.
00:38:59.800 Let me see if we got any notifications.
00:39:02.980 Nope.
00:39:03.800 Russell is not live today, I believe.
00:39:05.880 These things happen.
00:39:06.840 But it looks like Viva Freya is.
00:39:08.740 So we'll send you to hang out with Viva. 0.89
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00:39:14.780 We'll send everybody on their way to hang out with Viva. 0.61
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