The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #1 - Oli London, Author Of Detransition

00:00:00.000 I hate hockey. Seriously, I can't stand it. I'm William Woodham, CEO of the British-born sportsbook

00:00:06.260 Fitstairs. We've been over in Ontario for over a year now. We haven't made a loony from hockey.

00:00:11.960 It's impossible to outsmart Canadians on the ice. So at Fitstairs, the world's oldest bookmaker,

00:00:17.040 play with us on anything, anything except hockey. With our world-class casino and 150 years of

00:00:22.520 experience, you're in great hands. So stop pucking around. Go to fitstairs.ca. 19+, Ontario only.

00:00:28.680 Please play responsibly.

00:00:33.320 Welcome to the new show, ladies and gentlemen. This is The Culture War with Tim Poole. It's the

00:00:37.880 first episode we're doing. And I'll give you a brief introduction to the show. I've got a couple

00:00:43.220 different YouTube channels. We have TimCast News, TimCast, obviously, and we have TimCast IRL.

00:00:49.000 TimCast News, I do news commentary. This channel basically did the same thing. So there was a

00:00:54.200 double up. And then we have TimCast IRL, which is news and culture commentary with guests.

00:00:58.680 So we decided to do a show with just guests so we can address issues related to culture,

00:01:04.800 politics, life, the world, and everything else. And it doesn't have to be confined to a news context.

00:01:10.980 And in doing so, there are a lot of people who want to come on the show and do interviews and

00:01:15.000 talk about these important ideas, but they don't want to talk about news, which is exactly what

00:01:20.060 we're doing today. So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel. We're hanging out this

00:01:24.680 this Friday with Ali London. Hey, Tim, great to be here. I'm loving this comfy armchair.

00:01:30.300 It's very comfy, right? Yeah, I could actually fall asleep in this.

00:01:33.020 Yeah. So I was telling Ali, you know, I've been on Rogan's podcast a handful of times. He's got

00:01:38.480 good chairs. They're fancy, but my back hurts afterwards. And it's just I don't know, it's

00:01:43.940 it's a weird ergonomic thing. And it just makes my spine hurt. So we got these lazy papas on so you

00:01:49.700 can just, you know, this is literally perfect. I can imagine just gaming all day playing on

00:01:53.740 fortnight or something just sitting in this brilliant. Yeah. So who are you? What do you do?

00:01:58.300 So a lot of people know me from social media. So I'm a tick tocker. I'm also a news contributor.

00:02:03.820 I appear quite often on Fox or Newsmax. And I'm also the author of an upcoming book called

00:02:09.200 D Transition, a memoir, just detailing the identity struggles in the modern day.

00:02:14.540 Yeah, right on. I first heard about you because you're you were trans Korean. I say were you're

00:02:20.440 not trans Korean anymore, are you? No, I was very obsessed with Korea. I used to live there. And

00:02:24.840 I was a little bit too much of a K-pop fan. I mean, we get crazy K-pop fans. I think I was a bit extreme.

00:02:29.280 But I've kind of found myself now more grounded, just trying to focus on being me.

00:02:33.380 Yeah, you got plastic surgery and stuff. But it wasn't it wasn't just trans Korean. Was it

00:02:38.440 transgender Korean? So I've been through quite a few struggles. So I started surgery in 2013. And

00:02:44.400 it literally started just to try and improve myself. So I always used to hate the way I look.

00:02:48.220 So I just started with a nose job and it went wrong. So then I had to get a few more surgeries

00:02:52.300 and they kept going wrong. So I kind of became addicted. And then I was like saying to the

00:02:56.120 doctors, but I want to look like a K-pop star. Why not look like Jimin, who happens to be very

00:03:00.620 handsome, very beautiful. And I used to live in Korea. So I was familiar with Jimin. I was like,

00:03:05.080 let me look like him. And it didn't quite turn out the way I wanted to. So I had to have I've been

00:03:10.400 under the knife, I think, about 11 separate times under general anesthetic. Wow. 32 procedures in

00:03:15.360 total. And yeah, so I struggled with that. And I still was missing something in life. And I'd always

00:03:19.880 had kind of gender dysphoria. I'd always question myself as a, you know, as a child, I used to play

00:03:25.500 dress up in girls clothes, used to play with Barbie dolls. As a teen, people used to say I was more like

00:03:30.520 a girl. So I'd always question that. And then it was really going through that identity struggle.

00:03:35.880 Am I Korean? Am I like Jimin or what? I was kind of having a crisis. And then I was like, you know,

00:03:40.360 maybe the answer is that I've got gender dysphoria and I'm stuck in the wrong body.

00:03:44.060 So I had facial feminization, had 11 procedures, had all my bones shaved to make it more feminine.

00:03:50.440 And then I got to a point I was like, am I really going to do this for the rest of my life? I'm going

00:03:54.060 to keep having surgery. I'm going to keep putting myself at risk because it's not making me happy.

00:03:58.180 So I've, you know, been able to kind of move away from that and just focus on being happy with the

00:04:02.740 way I am. So you were, you were generally building a following on TikTok, Instagram, other, other

00:04:07.300 platforms. Was this before or after you started getting surgery? And so I actually started social

00:04:13.040 media, I think like 2018. So, you know, I always had, I had my space back in the day, if you remember

00:04:19.260 that, that was so much fun. How old are you? I'm actually older than I look, I guess 33. So I used to

00:04:25.060 have my space, I used to be obsessed with that. And then, yeah, social media, I started in 2018

00:04:30.360 and TikTok, I only really started in the pandemic. You know, just you're stuck at home, you're bored,

00:04:35.260 you want to make people smile, make people entertain. So I kind of started that around,

00:04:39.340 I think 2020, 2021.

00:04:41.920 So, so let's, well, I think that's a good overview, right? I hear this story about you.

00:04:46.600 You've, uh, the thing that, that I saw immediately was trans Korean.

00:04:50.460 Right. And I was, um, so I'm part Korean. No. Yeah. Yeah. I would never have guessed.

00:04:55.440 So, uh, my whole life and everybody who knows, watches the show knows, cause I, cause I bring

00:04:59.760 it up often enough for them. Right. Well, there you go. But, uh, 20% Korean, 5% Japanese.

00:05:05.760 Wow. That's a cool mix. The 5% Japanese we learned only through DNA testing. And then I always give

00:05:11.440 like a wink, wink to the audience. Like, and you know why that is right. It's like not because of good

00:05:15.080 things, but the funny thing is like, I hear this story about you. And, uh, I think we talked about this

00:05:19.780 on Timcast IRL. I'm like, this guy is getting surgery to be Korean. I, I, I literally have

00:05:25.620 family members who are Korean, like, and they make kimchi and all that stuff. And I've never

00:05:32.020 felt that disconnect or, or need to get surgery or modify my appearance or anything. And that I

00:05:38.580 found that really interesting that, you know, here's this guy who identifies with either K-pop

00:05:43.500 stars or whatever, and wants to get surgery to look this way. I literally have family, you

00:05:48.960 know, uh, from Korea, it's, it's my, my, my, my mom's side. So I've not met any direct

00:05:54.480 Korean family, but all of my mom's side are half Korean. And I've, I've, it's, I don't

00:06:00.200 know, my, I grew up, my mom would make bulgogi, you know, and, and other Korean food because

00:06:04.460 her mom taught her. And there was never, I never had an identity crisis like that. I'm wondering

00:06:10.060 like, where does that come from? Right.

00:06:12.920 Yeah. That's a very good question. Um, so I did live in Korea back in 2013. And as you know,

00:06:18.160 it's awesome, it is an amazing country. It's my favorite country by far. Um, but you know,

00:06:22.820 as you know, there's a lot of pressure in that society to look a certain way, you know, 18

00:06:26.760 year olds, when it's their 18th birthday, their present for their birthday is a nose job or

00:06:30.860 a boob job. So it's, it's really become common. There's a million surgeries performed every

00:06:35.120 year in South Korea. One in five Koreans have surgery now at many get the double eyelids

00:06:39.720 and a rhinoplasty, which is the nose. Um, so it's a really common phenomenon. So I was

00:06:43.500 living there. I never liked the way I looked and I thought, you know what, everyone

00:06:47.060 else is having surgery here. Why can't I look like that person on the billboard? Why

00:06:50.700 can't I look like, you know, Jim in, um, and it's interesting because there's a lot

00:06:54.460 of, um, Koreans that have surgery to maybe have more Westernized features. So a higher

00:07:00.060 nose bridge, um, double eyelid surgery, V line jaw surgery, which is an increasingly

00:07:04.980 common thing we see in China and Japan. And, you know, I was kind of doing the opposite, but

00:07:09.880 there are a lot of foreigners that live in Korea. They might be English teachers or whatever

00:07:13.600 they're doing there. They also have surgery cause they like the Korean aesthetic. It's

00:07:17.360 just, you know, it's such a beautiful culture and people fall in love with it. And people

00:07:20.760 think, you know, I want to look like that K-pop star cause they're perfect. They're happy

00:07:24.480 and you know, they're successful.

00:07:26.360 I went to Seoul for the first time a few years ago. We went to the record. I was, I was

00:07:29.940 with Luke Rutkowski of We Are Change. We went to raccoon cafes. We went to dog cafes. I think

00:07:35.360 they sound nicer than they are. It is fun to go to a dog cafe, but they're, they're

00:07:39.500 pissing and shitting all over the place. It's like, what do you expect? The raccoon cafe

00:07:43.020 was more fun because they have like pens or whatever, but, uh, it, it, I, I love that place.

00:07:47.800 It was really, really amazing to get to go there. And, uh, the sad thing for me, and I'll just say

00:07:53.060 this as an aside is, you know, on my, my, my, my grandmother's side of the family, their ancestry

00:07:58.160 is actually split between North and South. So it's, it's become, you know, very different. But I guess

00:08:02.480 the question I have for you, you mentioned you're living in Seoul. I'm wondering, was this really

00:08:06.560 like you, it's, it's an interesting question that, uh, in how, how transracial ideas relate

00:08:13.920 to gender dysphoria, because the argument we get from the transgender activists is that

00:08:18.640 everybody has within them the, the ability to be male or female. And some people feel like they

00:08:24.020 can be born in the wrong body. But then you look at people like Rachel Dolezal who are transracial,

00:08:28.480 and that's not the case. I mean, maybe deep down, you've got a small percentage of DNA of someone

00:08:33.520 who is, you know, from Africa or from Korea or whatever, but to be a white person from the

00:08:39.900 Pacific, you know, Northwest who identifies as a black person, I think says more about

00:08:45.360 the socialization and not the internalization. Meaning I'm not so convinced a lot of gender

00:08:51.580 dysphoria is rooted in the idea that people have within them the ability to be female or male or in

00:08:57.320 the wrong body. What I see with your stories, I'm wondering if you'd agree what your thought,

00:09:01.080 what your thoughts are. You're surrounded by Korean people you don't look like. And so part of it is

00:09:06.680 you want to be a part of this community. You want to look like they do. You want to be like they do.

00:09:11.680 Otherwise you're this odd person out. Yeah. I mean, that does sum it up. I mean,

00:09:15.780 when I lived there, it was the first time in my life where I felt like I belonged.

00:09:19.720 So, you know, I was away from home. It was a completely new me, you know, it was completely new

00:09:24.040 set of friends, completely new culture. So I was able to almost reinvent myself. So because I was so

00:09:29.100 unhappy as a teen, I was bullied for the way I looked. I thought, you know, here's a chance that

00:09:32.740 I can change myself. And that's where it started. I loved Korean culture. I loved the people. They

00:09:37.460 were so kind. So I thought, I want to be a part of this culture. So that's really where it stemmed

00:09:41.320 from. So it was more of a love and wanting to fit in. Because I'd never had many friends as a young

00:09:46.100 kid. I was always bullied. And I just for the first time, I felt like I fitted in. So I thought,

00:09:49.860 well, at least I need to look that way. So then I can kind of fit in more.

00:09:53.100 Well, where did the gender thing come in? I mean, yeah, looking like the people who you live

00:09:57.560 around, I understand. I was talking to this woke activist maybe like 60 years ago. And one thing

00:10:03.520 I did agree with him on was, if you're a minority in the United States, if you're Latino, if you're

00:10:09.300 black, if you're Asian, you look at movies, you look at billboards, and almost always it's a white

00:10:14.600 person. Me personally, I grew up, you know, as I mentioned, with like a mixed race family,

00:10:19.100 I never, I never really gave a shit. It's like, whatever. But, you know, I asked this guy,

00:10:24.240 and he's like, a lot of young people, it affects them. And I think I can't remember who it was,

00:10:29.020 it might have been Donald Glover, I don't want to drag anybody into this. But there's a black

00:10:31.860 actor or whatever, who said that he had like, I guess you can call it racial dysphoria, in that

00:10:38.280 he's in this culture where everything and all of the most famous and best people are white people.

00:10:44.140 And that's a strange position to be in when you're only 13% of the population.

00:10:47.660 How does that play into gender dysphoria? I mean, because you ended up going that route as well.

00:10:54.620 Yeah, I mean, with me, it was very complex, because it was a variety of things. So I had

00:10:58.100 body dysmorphia. So I basically hated the way I look. So I wanted to change myself completely.

00:11:02.740 But then as a kid, I did experiment, I did do more girly things. You know, I wasn't one of those boys

00:11:07.420 that goes out and plays soccer, or does sports outside or the outdoors. I like to do girly things,

00:11:12.220 playing with Barbie dolls, playing dress up, things like that, you know, watching kind of Disney

00:11:16.680 princesses and stuff. So, you know, I had that as a kid. But it really progressed in adult life when

00:11:21.720 I was confused with who I was, I was having all the surgery in Korea, I wanted to look Korean.

00:11:27.760 Because, you know, in Korea, having surgery is kind of seen as a sign of success, a sign of happiness

00:11:33.300 and perfection. Pretty much every K-pop star, I know they'll all deny it. Every single K-pop star

00:11:38.760 has surgery. When I was in the clinics, I would see, you know, groups of guys, or groups of girls

00:11:43.540 together. And they were clearly K-pop stars in training. And you could see they were getting

00:11:47.400 the surgeries before they debuted. So, you know, everyone does it there. It's a pressure to succeed.

00:11:51.720 So I kind of succumbed to that pressure, always wanted to change myself. And then the gender

00:11:55.780 dysphoria was kind of linked in the whole time. You know, I was always questioning myself. And

00:12:00.540 when I didn't get the happiness I wanted with all the Korean plastic surgery, I was, you know,

00:12:05.980 questioning myself, there's something missing, it must be the gender thing. And so many people always

00:12:10.180 said I was more feminine, I was more like a girl, or a woman. And, you know, some people even tell

00:12:14.500 I look like a lesbian. I was like, okay, you know, maybe I'm meant to be a girl. So that's when that

00:12:19.140 kind of started. And I was like, you know, this Korean stuff isn't making me happy. Why am I not

00:12:24.140 happy? I've had all this surgery, something's missing. So then the gender dysphoria kind of took

00:12:28.200 over. And, you know, I thought maybe I am in the wrong body.

00:12:31.800 Man, your story, I think, this is an important story. We get so much of these kids who are,

00:12:38.400 they say are transgender. And I feel like a lot of it is they don't fit in. They tend to be autistic.

00:12:45.840 They may, many of them tend to be gay. So you have young girls, for instance, I think 85% of

00:12:51.260 trans identifying young people are female to male. So you've got a social element, you've got not

00:12:59.720 fitting in. And then you've got someone saying, here's the answer to why you feel this way.

00:13:04.380 When you look at your story, I think the average person can see transracial and transgender,

00:13:11.220 if these things are happening together at the same time, like maybe the real issue is

00:13:16.400 people are trying to find a way to fit in with those around them. And they're being told this

00:13:20.780 is that way. And if we just help these people, you know, be themselves, or build self-esteem and

00:13:28.880 confidence, we wouldn't have so many kids getting surgeries that may eventually sterilize them

00:13:33.120 or medications or anything like that.

00:13:35.960 When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins

00:13:41.840 Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you.

00:13:49.520 Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part.

00:13:55.840 Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care.

00:14:00.680 Did I mention that we care?

00:14:05.400 Jack Pot City is the home of all things casino. We've built a world-class lineup of classic casino

00:14:10.900 games such as roulette and blackjack and crafted a virtual range of the best slots, including

00:14:15.560 Atlantean treasures. Everything's online, everything's ready, everything's for you. So whenever you're

00:14:20.500 feeling playful, head to Jack Pot City and you'll be endlessly entertained. Jack Pot City,

00:14:25.260 casino games perfectly made for you. Proud partner of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

00:14:29.780 Must be 19 plus. Ontario residents only. Please play responsibly. Gambling problem? Visit

00:14:33.880 connexontario.ca.

00:14:36.540 I have to wonder, you know?

00:14:37.880 Yeah, I mean, absolutely. I agree with my case personally, but we're seeing so many teenagers

00:14:41.760 these days, they do want to fit in. And like you said, rightly, most of the transitions now are

00:14:47.440 female to male. That wasn't the case, you know, years ago. It was more kind of, it was a much

00:14:51.960 lesser degree of people having transitions, but it was more boys to girls. So we saw very

00:14:57.000 recently with the Missouri Clinic whistleblower, the teacher was referring groups of girls from

00:15:02.420 a school and communicating with one of the doctors at the clinic. These are 11 and 12 year olds.

00:15:06.340 The doctor was saying, oh, they must have gender dysphoria. We must affirm them like as soon

00:15:10.320 as possible. Yeah. Meaning putting them on puberty blockers. And I don't think that's the solution

00:15:14.740 because like you said, many people struggle with their sexuality. So I'm bisexual. I struggled as a

00:15:19.540 teenager. Many of these kids also have autism and, you know, I've never been diagnosed by,

00:15:24.120 I have a lot of traits of autism. You know, I've, I've been researching it for my book and stuff and

00:15:28.060 have a lot of traits. And I think, you know, we're misdiagnosing people and kids are going

00:15:32.040 for a stage, maybe they're gay, lesbian or bi, they're exploring themselves, but they're being

00:15:36.640 confused with that and then getting gender dysphoria. So how did you, how did you break out of

00:15:41.900 this? How did, how did you have this realization that maybe you're not a Korean woman?

00:15:45.920 Um, I know I should have come to that realization sooner, but it was a long time coming. So it was

00:15:50.820 really this kind of crash course. I was having surgery for about 10 years and I was thinking,

00:15:55.920 I'm going to die at some point. You know, I'd had surgeries where I was in so much pain. I even had

00:16:00.120 a chest surgery before removing all my fat nipples and it was just so much pain. I'm covered in scars.

00:16:05.640 Like you can see, I've got scars here, scars in my forehead. And I just got to a point,

00:16:09.900 when am I going to stop? You know, I'm, I was thinking again, after my last surgeries,

00:16:14.040 my facial feminization, I was thinking, what can I do next? And I was thinking,

00:16:17.500 I've done my entire face. There's nothing left to do. And I still wasn't happy. And I was trying

00:16:21.360 to think, you know, it's not going to end. It's not going to end. So I needed help. So I started

00:16:25.060 going to therapy. I actually started going to church. Um, and I went to church as a kid,

00:16:29.100 but most of my life I was just atheist. You know, I believed in the power of the universe. I believed

00:16:33.000 there was some, um, God out there. And I just thought, you know, I need to stop this. It's very

00:16:37.440 dangerous. It was upsetting my family. My family stopped speaking to me many times. I lost so many of my

00:16:42.600 friends all because of this obsession with wanting to look and become someone that I wasn't.

00:16:48.100 So, I mean, is that it? Is that you're, you're trying to fit in, you're trying to find happiness,

00:16:53.240 but all it was doing was pushing people away. Yeah. I mean, I lost a lot of friends. So now

00:16:57.540 I've probably got like seven really close friends. Uh, whereas before, you know, I knew so many people

00:17:02.080 and I kind of almost have become a shell of who I used to be, you know, the old Ollie that was, um,

00:17:07.260 always out in the world trying to help people. I used to do a lot of charity work when I was like 20,

00:17:11.200 21 and stuff. Um, I was always kind of thinking about others, but I became so obsessed with

00:17:16.100 wanting to look a certain way. And I, you know, I was ignoring other people around me. People were

00:17:20.200 trying to stop me, you know, even people online were saying, you know, it's cultural appropriation

00:17:24.360 and stuff. And, you know, I didn't, I didn't feel that way because I love Korea so much, but I can now

00:17:29.560 in retrospect, I can see that. And, you know, I take accountability that I did some things in the

00:17:34.420 past, which may have caused the fence. And I'm sorry for that, but you know, I'm just glad that I was

00:17:38.860 able to get out of that kind of crazy cycle. I just, it's so weird to me because, you know,

00:17:43.980 I was mentioning earlier, like I've never felt a need to do any kind of surgery to be more Korean

00:17:48.280 or anything like that. I've never felt the need to be more white or anything like that. I just,

00:17:52.400 I don't know. I kind of grew up who I, with who I was, but I also have literally no problem with you.

00:17:58.340 Like I see a story about a guy who wants to get surgery to look more Korean. And I just,

00:18:01.900 I'm just like, Oh, that's kind of weird. I don't know. I wouldn't, I wouldn't accuse someone

00:18:05.880 of cultural appropriation. I wouldn't, I don't care. I'm like, isn't it, isn't it kind of

00:18:11.020 flattering? Some dudes trying to look like you, like they, they do it to us, right? You were

00:18:14.580 saying that in Korea, they do westernization. They all do. I mean, I'm sure. Cause I wanted

00:18:17.860 to look like Jimin, you know, that was just, you know, most people go to a doctor, a girl will say,

00:18:21.780 I want to let Kim Kardashian give me her booty, give me her boobs. You know, that's very common in

00:18:26.120 America, right? Um, so the Kim Kardashian look or the Angelina Jolie lips. So many people do that.

00:18:31.420 I was just like, I want to look a different way. If I can look as close to this person as possible,

00:18:35.820 let's do it. Um, and you know, people got offended with that. And I was thinking firstly,

00:18:40.540 I'm sure Jimin BTS, I'm sure he was flattered. Come on. You've got to be flat. Maybe he thought

00:18:44.520 I was like a crazy stalker, but, um, you must be flattered. Like someone wants to be like you,

00:18:48.960 he didn't comment. I mean, I was on Dr. Phil and Dr. Phil did try to call him and get him on. Um,

00:18:53.920 and they, his management passed. I wonder why, but so yeah, Jimin. Jimin. Yeah. So,

00:18:59.640 you know, that was just the guy, just like someone wants to look like Kim Kardashian.

00:19:02.640 Right. He's a big famous Korean. Yeah. And you know, so many people in Korea, in Asia,

00:19:06.800 they want to look like Western celebrities. And part of that is a pressure. When you look at a

00:19:11.440 magazine like Vogue in India, most of the women on there have airbrushed skin. They even have white

00:19:16.720 and skin, even the Bollywood actresses, you know, it's a well-known fact they do that. So there's this

00:19:20.560 constant pressure for someone in that culture to look, you know, almost Caucasian in their features.

00:19:25.780 And, you know, they do these surgeries. So from what I was doing was kind of the opposite,

00:19:29.740 but I wasn't the only foreigner doing that. There were many foreigners in Korea getting the eye

00:19:34.000 surgery, uh, getting the jaw surgery to have that aesthetic. Yeah. They just weren't saying that.

00:19:39.120 Why did you get all the press attention then? It's because you were a popular TikToker.

00:19:42.320 You're doing social media. Yeah. So, I mean, I was very open, you know,

00:19:44.980 I'd always share my journey and stuff, share my kind of journey. Um, cause it was almost for me at the

00:19:49.760 time, it was like a therapy, like I'm sharing this and almost like to get validate validation,

00:19:53.520 you know, which is what a lot of young people do these days. They always want validation and it

00:19:58.100 was very toxic and social media can become toxic. You know, you look at the number of likes, you look

00:20:02.940 at the comments, the positivity. And I think that's the issue with a lot of teens these days. They want

00:20:07.540 to change their identity because they're almost suddenly praised and validated. Um, you know,

00:20:12.920 and, and that's the power of social media. That's what I think of Dylan Mulvaney. You're familiar

00:20:17.080 with Dylan Mulvaney. Oh my God. I see their videos. I mean, they drive me crazy, but, uh, you know,

00:20:20.900 the thing with Dylan, they started out as an actor, as a comedian, they're in the book of Mormon

00:20:24.820 and suddenly they started doing the book of Mormon, uh, in their Broadway. I don't even know. I don't

00:20:29.920 even know what pronouns to use for Dylan Mulvaney because I, I don't, uh, yeah. So Dylan Mulvaney

00:20:34.880 was on Broadway in the book of Mormon play. That's as a, as a man. Um, so as an actor before he

00:20:39.840 became TikTok famous. And the reason I bring up the pronoun thing is I don't, I know, I know trans

00:20:45.920 people. I have no problem using pronouns. I don't do the neo pronoun thing. That's ridiculous. Get

00:20:51.240 out of here. Uh, we've had trans women on the show. We are, we have friends of the show that

00:20:56.340 are trans women. I'll say she, her, no problem. But Dylan Mulvaney, I do not believe is actually

00:21:00.200 trans. I think Dylan is a performer who found a vehicle for getting views and notoriety. I don't

00:21:08.740 know. What do you think? What do you think? Do you agree? Yeah, absolutely. I'm the same as well.

00:21:11.640 Like I'll always respect someone's identity. Like I've got trans friends as well. I was

00:21:15.180 trans. So I know how it feels. It's very difficult. Um, but with the case of Dylan, you know, they

00:21:19.320 start out as an actor, as a comedian, and then they suddenly started this days of girlhood

00:21:23.220 series on TikTok, right? And suddenly it started getting millions of views and comments. And

00:21:27.420 then they started getting more shocking, uh, with their content. So then they started doing

00:21:31.940 tampon deals, which was, you know, outrageous for many women. It's crazy. You know, they were

00:21:37.560 saying, Oh, I need these tampons in my bag. Every time I go to the restroom, just

00:21:40.820 in case basically giving it to women in bathrooms. No, not even giving it use saying

00:21:45.620 they're going to use it. Dylan was going to use it for himself. He was saying, I need

00:21:49.220 this just in case I have a period really kind of shocking and outrageous stuff. And then

00:21:53.500 he just got worse and worse and became super offensive. Like he was saying one day he was

00:21:57.240 in this tight dress. I'm going to the mall. I'm going to show off my Barbie pouch, which

00:22:01.300 was like talking about his penis. I'm thinking that's not great behavior. You shouldn't be

00:22:05.340 going out in public trying to show off your bulge. He said something like, I don't have

00:22:09.940 a Barbie pouch. He goes, Barbie pouch. And it's, and a bunch of, uh, trans women, a bunch

00:22:15.240 of feminists, a bunch of just conservative women. They were all like, dude, this is fucked

00:22:20.400 up. Like you're, you're going way too far. And the tampon thing really, I think hit Dylan

00:22:25.440 hard because, uh, Dylan did this video where it's like, I bring tampons to the women's room

00:22:30.500 to, you know, for whatever reason to use them or whatever. And then you had the left and the

00:22:34.740 right saying, yo, this is too much. And then Dylan came out like crying, not really crying,

00:22:39.560 but being like crocodile tears, crocodile tears. It seems so fake being like, I was just trying

00:22:44.280 to help people. And I'm like, listen, I see this person as a sociopathic narcissist who's

00:22:51.740 looking at their social media, seeing this is what gets you views. And so what I was saying,

00:22:59.300 you know, a week or so ago, you've got, when it comes to the transgender stuff, you've got

00:23:03.040 gender dysphoria, which I think it's just, that's literally what's just called in the

00:23:07.320 DSM five diagnostic of whatever. And, um, these are people who look in the mirror and

00:23:12.800 they feel dysphoria, anxiety, pain, because their body doesn't seem to match how they see

00:23:18.120 themselves. And then you have the autophiles, the auto androphile and the autogynophile, which

00:23:24.740 is the sexual fetishist we see in, in, in, I think this is, this is more so trans women

00:23:29.700 than trans men. So there's this big story with Leah Thomas, who was the NCAA swimmer and

00:23:36.460 Leah Thomas apparently was involved in Instagram posts and Twitter threads implicating, uh, or

00:23:42.980 indicating that this individual is AGP, they call it, which is not gender dysphoria. This

00:23:49.280 is a reference to being sexually aroused at the thought of being a woman. And then AAP auto

00:23:53.880 androphilia is when a woman is sexually aroused at the thought of being a man. So then you have

00:23:58.120 those two components. And, uh, we were talking with Blair White, who is a trans woman and who

00:24:03.120 suffers from dysphoria, not AGP, who mentioned that a lot of what we're seeing in the trans

00:24:08.660 stuff is actually just sexual fetishism. That brings us to Dylan Mulvaney, which I wonder

00:24:14.700 has an overlap with your circumstance in that it's not a sexual fetish. It is not a dysphoria.

00:24:20.240 It is a social, uh, pressure. It is, you're getting likes, you're getting validation. You are

00:24:26.180 being told by the world, this is what you need to be. And this is who you are. So Dylan is being

00:24:30.800 validated by every, every like, every click, every view, and then just one upping himself or

00:24:38.180 themself or whatever every day to the point where now Dylan gets facial surgery. I don't think that's

00:24:44.220 an issue of wanting to be a woman. I think it's an issue of wanting to get likes on social media.

00:24:50.900 Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, there are different cases. So Dylan obviously is,

00:24:55.180 I think doing it for attention because look, he was at the Grammys recently, you know,

00:24:58.940 he's getting, he's making millions of dollars. He was with Joe Biden of all people. I mean,

00:25:03.320 you know, how crazy does it get? Um, so yeah, I think Dylan, and also people like Dylan,

00:25:07.040 he started almost the thing on TikTok where you're seeing so many teenagers copying him

00:25:10.680 day five of girlhood and stuff, talking about tampons, talking about getting pregnant.

00:25:14.460 And I think he's, he's not, not a good role model at all. And, um, you know,

00:25:18.480 you said he, it's so hard to get the right pronouns. I get so confused. You know,

00:25:22.520 he, they, she, it's the challenge is Dylan. I, I don't respect the idea that Dylan's trans.

00:25:28.420 I don't either. That's why I say, I say he, or am I saying they? Cause it's like,

00:25:32.320 I'm trying to be respectful and not everybody's deserving of respect to be given, you know,

00:25:37.420 use pronouns and it can be confusing. Ben Shapiro said when it came to Blair White, you know,

00:25:42.500 Ben Shapiro, the conservative, I think everybody knows who he is. He would say she,

00:25:45.700 her in person because it would be confusing to point to someone who looks like Blair and say him.

00:25:50.060 Right. But in writing, he would say him probably. And I'm not so convinced. I think even a lot of

00:25:55.340 conservatives would say she, her for Blair. Not all of them do. They do. Yeah. I would with Blair

00:25:59.620 actually. We follow each other and stuff. I would say kind of she, her, but you know,

00:26:02.740 I think Dylan is almost offensive to actual trans people because there are trans people out there

00:26:08.020 and they've struggled their whole life. Then someone like Dylan comes along or someone like

00:26:11.120 you were saying that's into almost the fetish of dressing up as a woman. And it actually degrades

00:26:16.780 the experience of real trans people. So people that have lived all their life, they're feeling

00:26:20.680 trapped. They've transitioned, you know, people like Blair White that has now discounted their

00:26:24.680 experience to almost like a joke and a parody. So, you know, Dylan's doing a lot of harm to actual

00:26:29.480 trans people. Agreed. And then when, uh, I know it's cliche to say, cause it's what everyone says

00:26:34.440 is doing real harm to trans people. And then when you get these, uh, trans individuals who speak out

00:26:40.320 and say, this is causing us harm, they're called far right. They're called conservative. It's,

00:26:44.720 it's, it's, it's so weird, but, uh, man, the, the, the Dylan Mulvaney thing, I think is just the

00:26:50.840 perfect example of social media, like psychosis almost that you get Joe Biden coming out saying,

00:26:57.460 we need to affirm young people, affirm them. And I'm like, listen, man, what's the line? What do we

00:27:03.000 affirm? And what don't we affirm? If a kid learns how to do a backflip and they're really good at,

00:27:07.600 yeah, we affirm that if a kid watches a baseball player and boy or girl, and they're like, I

00:27:13.640 identify with that. We affirm that. But if a kid wants to have healthy body parts removed,

00:27:19.280 or if a kid is not eating properly, or if a kid is overeating, we don't affirm these things that

00:27:25.160 cause harm to your body yet for some reason. And I think it's because of social media. I think it's

00:27:29.940 because of hyper-polarization. We've now become a society that says, just give people whatever they

00:27:35.220 say they want. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops.

00:27:41.080 So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients

00:27:46.600 that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird,

00:27:54.500 I don't remember saying that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's

00:28:00.040 really big on care. Did I mention that we care?

00:28:03.760 Jackpot City is the home of all things casino. We've built a world-class lineup of classic casino

00:28:11.780 games such as roulette and blackjack, and crafted a virtual range of the best slots,

00:28:16.140 including Atlantean treasures. Everything's online. Everything's ready. Everything's for you.

00:28:20.820 So whenever you're feeling playful, head to Jackpot City and you'll be endlessly entertained.

00:28:25.500 Jackpot City, casino games perfectly made for you. Proud partner of the Toronto Raptors.

00:28:30.500 Must be 19 plus. Ontario residents only. Please play responsibly. Gambling problem?

00:28:34.560 Visit ConnexOntario.ca.

00:28:37.480 Yeah, and that's very harmful. I mean, we've seen in the United States over the last 15 years,

00:28:41.540 100 gender clinics have opened. There was literally zero 15 years ago. So this is really

00:28:46.340 a recent phenomenon. Of course, we've seen instances of trans people throughout history.

00:28:50.860 And, you know, in my new book, I talk about there was a Roman emperor that was kind of trans.

00:28:54.780 He used to dress up as a woman. He even used to go to a woman's brothel so he could,

00:28:57.920 you know, have sex with guys and stuff because that was his fetish at the time.

00:29:01.280 So there are instances of people and we know that. But the problem is it's a recent phenomenon

00:29:05.240 driven by social media. And we shouldn't be medically transitioning children. You know,

00:29:09.920 as hard as it is for someone that's actually trans, you know, there used to be checks and balances.

00:29:14.980 You know, there used to be years ago, you wouldn't be fast tracked onto hormones. You would have years

00:29:19.080 of doctor's consultations, psychotherapy, just to make sure you 100% right with your decision.

00:29:24.080 Now it's a fast track process that even without parental consent in some states. So we were seeing

00:29:29.460 in Oregon, you know, 13 year olds can be put on puberty blockers without parental consent.

00:29:34.920 That's the real danger is when we're medically transitioning kids. And we're seeing new studies

00:29:39.200 coming out now. There was a study yesterday published that said that kids that are on hormones

00:29:44.160 or puberty blockers are seven times more likely to have a heart attack in later life.

00:29:48.120 Why are we doing that to children? It's really abusive.

00:29:50.700 They use the excuse every time, oh, because the suicide rates are so high for trans people. And

00:29:55.140 it's like, yes, but what if, you know, we, I can't remember what the studies were. It was like 68 to

00:30:01.840 like 90% of trans youth desist, desist, they call it. Meaning that once they get around to the age of

00:30:07.380 puberty, they immediately stop entertaining the idea of being the other gender or whatever. So what

00:30:13.560 happens if you take a kid who is not trans, but is just going along because these kids don't know,

00:30:18.800 and then you cause you, you either give them surgery or medication. What happens then when

00:30:23.880 they later in life realize, Hey, that wasn't the case. Cause now we're seeing the transitioners.

00:30:28.800 I mean, like yourself, for instance, but a lot of other people, we had Helena Kirshner on the show

00:30:32.900 and she transitioned. She said she went to a Planned Parenthood and said, I'm a boy. And

00:30:39.660 they went, okay. And slapped her a bottle of testosterone, the maximum dose like that,

00:30:43.320 just like that. And that's the problem these days. It's so, so easy. Um, and we're seeing kids

00:30:48.740 that wouldn't normally be trans. We're seeing groups of friends in particular classes in school,

00:30:52.920 uh, that are being referred to gender clinics. And with the case of the Missouri clinic that was

00:30:57.640 exposed, there was, um, all they needed to get on puberty blockers or hormones was one letter from

00:31:02.740 a therapist and they only needed one or two visits from that therapist. And guess what? That therapist

00:31:07.500 was approved by the clinic. So they recommended that therapist to the child. So, you know,

00:31:13.020 and they had these letter templates, they changed the name of the child and they'd already have a

00:31:16.960 template ready to put them on a prescription because if you're on testosterone, you're on it

00:31:20.860 for life. You know, what is it? Is it money? Is it ideology? Where's the Hippocratic oath?

00:31:27.260 Well, exactly. There's, you know, these doctors, um, are kind of not doing their duty and there's so

00:31:32.380 much money in it for a girl to transition to a boy, $70,000 for the surgeries and the hormones

00:31:37.560 for a boy to transition to a girl. It's $40,000. And we, we saw, um, recently it was leaked

00:31:42.960 on the daily call or a letter from, um, if you know Biden's assistant health secretary, Rachel

00:31:47.560 Levine, the transgender admiral, they were leaked in an email with a doctor at the gender clinic

00:31:51.900 discussing return on investment and profit for a clinic. So we're seeing it's all about profit.

00:31:57.820 These clinics are popping up everywhere. And when a child detransitioned that isn't put on the records

00:32:03.040 at these hospitals. So like you, you'll see these hospitals will claim there's only a 3% regret rate.

00:32:08.520 That's because they control the statistics. They control the data. Most of these kids that

00:32:12.780 detransition, they don't even bother to do follow-ups. We saw a clinic in the UK called the

00:32:16.600 Tavistock clinic, which is being shut down. They had so many breaches of ethical standards. They

00:32:21.660 weren't even checking on the kids six months down the line to see how the puberty blockers were

00:32:25.600 affecting them or hormones. It was literally come in, let's get your money and then out. And that's the

00:32:30.200 process. So that's why we don't have any data saying how many people are detransitioning. And there's no

00:32:34.920 support for these people. There's no, you know, they can't go back to the gender clinic and say,

00:32:38.920 please, can you reverse this? Cause you can't.

00:32:40.860 Do you see that video? There's this woman, she says, even if you get your breasts removed,

00:32:45.380 if you want them later in life, you can just get them.

00:32:48.500 It doesn't, it doesn't work like that.

00:32:50.060 I know. It's crazy telling these, these teenage girls remove a healthy part of your body and don't

00:32:57.300 worry implants exist. And it's like, yeah, you can't breastfeed your kids. But I think it's for a lot of

00:33:03.060 this capitalistic exploitation. I know all of my libertarian friends are going to be like, no,

00:33:10.080 it's the government's fault. And it's like, yeah, I think the government plays a role in this. I mean,

00:33:14.360 Joe Biden himself as an agent of government comes out and says, affirm your kids. They then take

00:33:18.720 children away from their parents. The weight of government is a pressure here. But yo, there are,

00:33:22.980 there are clinics popping up to make money off of this. It's profitable.

00:33:28.020 Exactly. And you know, I speak with a lot of parents across America, you know, I was testifying

00:33:32.180 for the Washington State Senate about a bill recently, they were trying to introduce, which

00:33:35.940 would mean runaway teens that had run away from home or been taken into the foster care system.

00:33:41.160 So they might not have been from abusive families, but they might use that to say the family don't

00:33:46.020 want them to transition. And then they will say, oh, they're abusive and take them away from the

00:33:49.380 family and then transition them. So that's incredibly harmful.

00:33:52.320 Yeah, there was a tweet, we talked about this trans woman who works for a leftist,

00:33:57.520 who works for Media Matters, we're big fans of Media Matters, said that Matt Walsh should not be

00:34:02.220 allowed within a mile of his kids or something like this. Matt Walsh, of course, Daily Wire commentator,

00:34:07.940 he did this What is a Woman documentary, which was tremendous, very, very awesome,

00:34:13.460 pushing the issue into the mainstream. And Matt Walsh did a video where he talked about first,

00:34:18.680 he did a video where he was critical of Dylan Mulvaney and mean. And a lot of people said he

00:34:24.660 was mean. And I said he was mean. I didn't go as far as most of these other people. I just was like,

00:34:28.680 yeah, you can get the point across without being as mean. But I agree with him to a certain extent.

00:34:33.080 In response to my commentary and many others, he said, you know, I would rather die.

00:34:40.360 First, he says, we have to be mean. You cannot go too far in the culture war. These people will not

00:34:45.380 stop. Being mean to them is not that much. It's like we're not we're talking about we're not talking

00:34:49.480 about violence or anything like that. And then he said, I would rather die than have my kids be

00:34:55.040 trans. And this trans activist then said he should not be allowed near his children. And that's a scary

00:35:01.040 prospect because that's actually what they've been trying to do. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know,

00:35:05.740 I would never be too harsh talking about someone's appearance or how they identify and stuff. But

00:35:11.140 at the end of the day, you could argue that Dylan Mulvaney is harsh to women. You know,

00:35:15.320 the way they speak about women, the way they try to discount what a woman has to go through.

00:35:19.180 They're extremely offensive. So, you know, maybe sometimes you need someone to call them out and

00:35:22.580 say those kind of things. But, you know, that's the problem with the trans activists, what they said

00:35:26.720 about Matt Walsh, he shouldn't be allowed near his kids. That's exactly what they do. They try to take

00:35:31.600 away the kid from the parents. We see TikTokers, if you've seen that Jeffrey Marsh guy, very creepy with the

00:35:36.380 litter. He's like, oh, yes, yes, yes. Oh, my God. He's always on lips of TikTok and stuff. Yeah. And

00:35:42.660 he's talking directly to children saying, these are the signs of a narcissistic parent. You need to

00:35:47.140 get away from them, separating the children. And basically, they try to blame the parents because

00:35:51.140 a parent might not want their kid to medically transition. They might fully support them, you

00:35:55.580 know, a boy wearing a dress or whatever. But when it comes to medical transition, you know,

00:35:59.180 most parents are against that. So these people, these activists are trying to separate the parents

00:36:03.280 from the kids, say that the parents are abusive when, you know, they're not in most of these cases,

00:36:08.260 they're just loving, they just want the best for their kid and separate them so they can transition

00:36:11.620 the kid. And, you know, it's harmful when you remove that protective barrier from kids, the family

00:36:16.500 unit, the protection, they are extremely vulnerable. And a lot of these kids already have issues, autism,

00:36:22.000 eating disorders, bipolar, you know, so they're very, very vulnerable. And then to tell them, you're going

00:36:27.020 to be popular, you're going to be validated, you're going to be just like Dylan Mulvaney.

00:36:29.980 If you do this, we got to get dark with it. We'll just go for it. I mean, how much of this do you

00:36:36.500 think is pedophiles trying to exploit the system to create vulnerable children that can be exploited

00:36:43.320 or to normalize their disturbing predilections? Well, we're seeing across society a push for

00:36:49.360 pedophilia. I mean, we saw the Balenciaga scandal, that kind of those images, which are very, very

00:36:53.640 shocking. And we're seeing other pushes in society. I mean, look at the Epstein Island.

00:36:56.980 No one has been charged. Ghislaine's in prison, but no one else has been charged. We saw recently

00:37:01.420 JP Morgan, CEO, was leaked emails talking about Disney princess code words with Epstein. So,

00:37:08.540 you know, we're seeing this push across society and this protection of these people and more and

00:37:12.100 more shocking things. Sam Smith's new music video featured these really bizarre fetish things,

00:37:17.620 you know, which are, you know, available for just really, you know, he had someone urinating in

00:37:21.740 his mouth, mocking a Baptist. It was obviously water for the music video, but it was just show

00:37:27.580 a sexual fetish of someone urinating in his mouth. And he was like, taking it and drinking it like

00:37:32.280 gross. But when I was a kid, the Satanism in music videos was like devil horns and like,

00:37:37.380 I know, now it's like a gay dude and a trans person getting pissed on.

00:37:42.260 But yeah, so with regards to pedophilia, I think there's certainly a push from some people to push

00:37:47.080 this. And we're even seeing cases of grown men identifying as, you know, women so they can get

00:37:53.180 access to children because you can't say anything about that guy because guess what? You're transphobic.

00:37:57.900 You're not respecting their pronouns.

00:37:59.540 There was that, I don't want to say the individual's name, but there was an individual,

00:38:04.080 I think in the Pacific Northwest who was going into women's bathrooms and taking pictures,

00:38:08.680 then sending messages to young girls on social media asking about how they use tampons and things

00:38:14.100 like that. And it's clearly like, this is an adult morbidly obese male who is talking to young

00:38:20.660 girls about, it's just, at what point, you know, do we recognize society has this decay within it

00:38:28.840 that anyone would allow something like that to happen? Imagine, you know, so I've been harping

00:38:34.380 on about how I'm watching Yellowstone and I'm watching 1923 and I watch 1883. And I'm just thinking

00:38:38.720 like, could you imagine going back a hundred years? What do you think would happen to a guy

00:38:43.700 who started talking to a little girl this way?

00:38:46.160 Well, they definitely get beaten up and stuff.

00:38:48.520 That's putting it lightly.

00:38:49.800 Putting it very lightly and stuff. But yeah, you're right. We're seeing grown men. We even

00:38:53.900 got people now identifying as trans age and trans activists are promoting this. You've got adult

00:38:59.040 men dressed in diapers with dummies. And you even had a shocking case in the UK. This was in the

00:39:04.640 Scottish prison system. This guy transitioned to become a trans woman. And then he transitioned

00:39:10.600 to become a baby. And the prison service kept him in a women's prison. And he was even wearing a

00:39:15.780 diaper and a dummy. And the prison officers would hold his hand as he's leaving the prison cell.

00:39:20.620 I mean, that's how mad it's got now that we're trying to respect the pronouns and

00:39:24.220 identity of a man identifying as a baby. I mean, that's very dangerous.

00:39:28.740 There's a story. It's from I got I pulled it up from the Daily Mail 2015. I've gone back to being a

00:39:34.120 child husband and father of seven leaves his wife and kids to live as a transgender six year old

00:39:39.720 girl named Steph. Okay, it's pronounced Stephonk me. But I think it's Stephanie. And it's like me. And

00:39:48.340 this is this is this is seven years ago. And this is an adult man who is wearing little girls clothes.

00:39:55.260 You know, part of the libertarian in me is like, you know, live and let live do your thing.

00:40:00.180 But there is a real point, a question about tolerance becoming acceptance becoming

00:40:05.940 a requirement. And we see this thing in technology that I find interesting that a luxury becomes a

00:40:11.860 necessity. You know, when cell phones come out, only rich people have them. Now, if you don't have

00:40:16.860 a cell phone, who's going to hire you? It's like, I need to get ahold of you, you got to have it.

00:40:20.240 So what we end up seeing is in, you know, 2008, 2010, 2012, conservatives are saying,

00:40:26.080 if we have gay marriage, then the next thing you know, they're gonna be teaching kids to be gay in

00:40:29.760 school. And all the liberals, and this is where I was back then, I'm like, oh, shut up. That's so

00:40:34.420 stupid. Like, look, man, and I still feel this way. If there's two dudes, and they love each other,

00:40:39.680 and they want to get married, man, I don't care. But then there is a point to be made about, well,

00:40:44.280 what happens then when a child sees two men together? A school is gonna say, hey, oh, those guys,

00:40:49.420 those guys are married. So whether it's intentionally trying to indoctrinate kids or not,

00:40:54.080 if you normalize something in society, you do have to teach kids about it. And then it goes

00:40:59.480 from being something that we tolerate to something that we accept. Then when it's something that we

00:41:03.920 accept, you are then now teaching people what it is, you'll see more of it, you teach people how to

00:41:09.020 do it. And so these, the LGBT activists are probably, many of them, I think we see with that

00:41:15.620 creepy guy on social media, they are trying to actively create people who identify as LGBT.

00:41:20.820 We saw James Lindsay talked about this, um, trans pedagogy, how they talk about drag queen story

00:41:28.260 hour is intended to make these kids identify this way, as they describe it, putting glitter in the

00:41:34.420 carpet that can never come out. And I wonder, based on the high suicide rates,

00:41:39.280 when you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins

00:41:46.120 insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you.

00:41:53.920 Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part.

00:42:00.140 Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care.

00:42:04.960 Did I mention that we care?

00:42:09.800 Jackpot City is the home of all things casino. We've built a world-class lineup of classic casino

00:42:15.220 games such as roulette and blackjack and crafted a virtual range of the best slots, including

00:42:19.900 Atlantean treasures. Everything's online, everything's ready, everything's for you. So whenever you're

00:42:24.880 feeling playful, head to Jackpot City and you'll be endlessly entertained. Jackpot City, casino games

00:42:30.660 perfectly made for you. Proud partner of the Toronto Raptors. Must be 19 plus. Ontario residents only.

00:42:36.280 Please play responsibly. Gambling problem? Visit ConnexOntario.ca.

00:42:40.800 Are we actually just sowing the seeds of discontent in young people who will then become disaffected

00:42:45.820 adults who are maladjusted, who are suffering from anxiety and depression? Is this ultimately just

00:42:51.700 going to hurt people?

00:42:53.240 Yeah, I think it's incredibly harmful. I mean, you know, years ago, everyone would be very accepting of

00:42:57.380 other people. You know, live your life, just don't affect other people. So like, if you're a trans

00:43:02.300 person, just please don't try to take away women's rights, you know. People were very respectful back

00:43:07.020 then. But now we're seeing a push with these books that are taught in schools. I mean, we saw in

00:43:11.200 Florida, Governor DeSantis is obviously being called out there saying, oh, he's banning books,

00:43:15.920 which he's really not. Some of these books his press secretary shared on Twitter, and you're seeing

00:43:19.720 the content and they're sexual, showing you how to do sex positions. And these are targeted to six and

00:43:24.120 seven year olds. Teaching kids how to masturbate. Yeah, yeah. And there was one, I don't know if

00:43:28.780 it was Project Veritas or someone else, they leaked, I think it was, they leaked this university or

00:43:33.820 college dean, he was teaching 15 year olds, and he was handing out dildos and sex toys, showing them

00:43:37.940 how to use them. And you're thinking, why are we teaching this to kids? And then you've got teachers

00:43:42.600 on TikTok talking about pronouns in class in kindergarten. Kids don't need to learn all that. You know, kids,

00:43:48.280 kids are the least hateful people. They'll grow up to accept all people. They don't need to be taught

00:43:52.220 that. So that's, that's what they're trying to do. Right. But why? Acceptance becomes requirement.

00:43:56.800 Right. But you know, kids, kids don't judge people. That's just kids. That's their nature.

00:44:00.160 They're very innocent and stuff. But we shouldn't be teaching them, oh, you need to change your

00:44:03.720 pronouns. Oh, it's okay to do this and that. I think what I find interesting here is, you know,

00:44:08.860 back in 2008, I'm very much pro gay marriage. My family owned a business in the gay neighborhood of

00:44:15.160 Chicago and Boys Town and Wrigleyville. And so I've always been, you know, hey, man, you know,

00:44:20.040 let people love each other and stuff like that. I have a point that's out that a lot of it they

00:44:24.960 claim is love, but it's overtly sexual. So, you know, growing up in, well, I shouldn't say growing

00:44:30.420 up. And I was, I'm from the South side of Chicago, but my family for a couple of years had a cafe on

00:44:34.060 the North side. And you walk down Halstead, North Halstead in Chicago. They say it's about love,

00:44:40.660 but look in the windows of these clothing stores and the mannequins are anatomically correct and in

00:44:46.200 sex positions. The pride events, people are walking around naked and doing things that are overtly

00:44:52.160 sexual and not love. And then they have, I remember they had a genital shaped macaroni and cheese at

00:44:59.500 one store. And I'm like, so what does that have to do with loving someone? I understand making love

00:45:05.120 and having sex, but why is it all always just about sex? So I always felt this way that a lot of the

00:45:12.120 advocacy and activism is split between the interesting thing about the transgender argument

00:45:19.040 between gender dysphoria and autophilia is that one is a sexual fetish and one is truly a psychological

00:45:25.820 state. I feel the same thing is true with homosexuality, be it male, female, or bi. I had

00:45:32.720 some lesbian friends who told me that they had no issue sleeping with men, having sex, but they would

00:45:38.780 never get emotionally attached to them. And they only felt an emotional attraction to women

00:45:42.580 and to them, that's what it meant to be a lesbian. So I'm like, okay, that's interesting, but not

00:45:47.480 everybody agrees with that. I have to wonder if there is a component of that in some men fetishize

00:45:53.460 other men. And so they, they say they're gay and that's why it's overtly sex-based. And then some men

00:45:59.800 actually do feel a strong emotional attraction. And that just, it so happens, you know, so one is love

00:46:06.820 and one is not. I wonder if that's a component. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely more of a recent

00:46:10.820 phenomenon. We're seeing everything sexualized. Like you said, with a gay pride event, it used to

00:46:15.380 be about love and equality and stuff. Now it's people in BDSM gear. And we even had the democratic

00:46:20.720 senator in California, Scott Weiner, who was behind the new law to allow children to go to the state

00:46:26.300 without parents in transition. He was behind that. He was pictured wearing bondage BDSM gear in a

00:46:31.300 harness and he proudly posted it, hashtag BDSM on his Twitter. Or the, the, the guys in the dog

00:46:36.920 costumes, like barking at children. I've seen pictures on Twitter and you know, they're holding

00:46:41.120 kids' hands and kids are looking at them and you're thinking, why are we exposing kids to this? And it's

00:46:45.340 sad because LGBT community was all about love and inclusivity. Now they've almost killed the message

00:46:51.380 because it's all about fetish. It's all about bondage and sex. And again, we were saying about

00:46:56.880 earlier, Leah Thomas, uh, which was seen to be liking these fetish things on Instagram and stuff.

00:47:02.600 And we're seeing it's becoming more of a fetish and you know, there's many gay people that just

00:47:06.620 want to love, they just want acceptance and it's kind of harming them. The Leah Thomas thing is

00:47:11.500 interesting too because the controversy there was a biological male competing against females. And the

00:47:18.600 question that was asked was, is this what a woman is? A man who has a sexual fetish feel to, to,

00:47:26.360 to be perceived as a woman. If that's the case, why is this individual competing against women?

00:47:31.960 Right. If you're gender dysphoric, we have an argument. You want to take, you want to take

00:47:35.620 hormones, you want to transition. But if you're just some dude who gets off on it, that's something

00:47:40.820 totally different. And that's what we're accommodating, a sexual fetish of a man.

00:47:47.060 Yeah, exactly. And with Leah Thomas, so they were exposed for what they're into and stuff,

00:47:51.160 but we also had one of the other swimmers, Riley Gaines, who said that in the dressing rooms,

00:47:55.040 Leah would unchange in front of them and smile at them and look at them and make them feel very

00:47:59.300 uncomfortable. So it's almost like they like the idea of someone looking at them in this way and

00:48:04.420 seeing their penis and stuff, which is just absolutely wrong. And you know, that's one way

00:48:08.480 to winning, win a swimming competition. If you're a man, you know, just say, oh, one day I want to be

00:48:12.700 a woman and then you can win, you know, cause you've got a biological advantage. But, um, we're

00:48:16.340 definitely seeing more people that have these fetishes trying to use that, use the trans umbrella to kind

00:48:21.480 of carry out their fetches. We're seeing grown men wearing lingerie on Tik TOK and talking about

00:48:26.700 that and how they feel great and, you know, exposing themselves in public places in women's

00:48:31.100 restrooms. Uh, it's just crazy. There's a funny meme. That's like, if you're a guy at a gym and you

00:48:37.440 look at a girl working out, you're a creep. Yeah. But if you claim to be a woman and go in the

00:48:41.300 locker room and expose yourself to her, she's the bigot. Yeah. Something's broken. It's, it's crazy.

00:48:46.960 I mean, we're seeing men going into women's toilets. And if you question it, if a woman

00:48:51.400 decides to speak up, she is labeled transphobic and a bigot. So the woman is the one that's bad,

00:48:56.540 but really this guy has gone in there making a woman very uncomfortable. There are women that

00:49:00.660 are sexual assault survivors that in these restrooms. And then to see a man, that's very

00:49:04.980 triggering for them. It's not fair. When, when, when did you break from this? Like, when did you,

00:49:10.060 we talked about how you did, but how long ago was it that you were like, Hey, wait a minute,

00:49:14.060 you know, something's not right here. Well, it was last year. It was

00:49:16.800 about six months ago now. So, you know, even when I was trans, I was so respectful of women.

00:49:20.960 Like I would never use women's spaces and you know, I never even thought about it and it wasn't a

00:49:25.020 fetish for me. It was literally, I felt that was the problem. That was the solution to my identity

00:49:29.540 crisis and stuff. And, you know, I felt maybe I was in the wrong body. Um, so it wasn't anything to

00:49:34.320 do with, I like dressing up as a woman and stuff, but really it was about six months ago. And I just

00:49:38.620 realized I'm either going to go have surgery. I'm going to get breasts. I was thinking about going to

00:49:42.960 Thailand or consulted doctors. Do I really want to do that? And I was questioning that

00:49:46.740 so much. I was thinking, do I want to put myself through that? Because it's not really reversible

00:49:50.160 when you start messing with the body. I've done the facial feminization. I can kind of have more

00:49:54.620 surgery to change that if I want to, but when you mess with the body, you can't really change that.

00:49:58.640 So I considered that deeply. And then I was like, you know what? I don't want to put myself through

00:50:02.420 that. I need to try and unlock the person that had been trapped inside me for so many years,

00:50:07.600 you know, the old me. Um, so yeah, it was, it was last year.

00:50:11.340 This is, it feels like a very rapid shift. I mean, you, you're in the news as this, uh,

00:50:18.760 trans Korean, transgender, et cetera. And, and within six months, all of a sudden you're now

00:50:23.820 very knowledgeable on a lot of these issues that the average person isn't. How does that happen? I

00:50:29.560 mean, I feel like it kind of makes sense. You know, you're, you're entrenched in this. You're not

00:50:34.480 feeling good about it. Right. The surgeries are getting, you're just getting more and more. And then

00:50:38.640 you have that realization. I imagine, you know, my, my view of it would be that all of a sudden

00:50:42.820 you're like, I need to look into what's going on. So you're already immersed in this. And now all of

00:50:47.420 a sudden you're hearing the opinions of other people. You know, I didn't really know what

00:50:50.660 detransitioning was. I didn't know really about a lot of this stuff. So, you know, for me, it was a

00:50:56.380 personal journey. Then when I started researching what was actually going on, because I'm from the UK,

00:51:00.440 it's not as extreme where we're medically transitioning children. We had that one clinic, which has been

00:51:04.500 shut down, but in America, it's such an insane issue. And I spend so much time in

00:51:08.480 America have been coming back and forth for 10 years. So, you know, when I was seeing that these

00:51:12.560 12, 13 year olds are being put on puberty blockers and they're, you know, having all these health

00:51:16.460 complications, I'm seeing people on TikTok. Then I really started to look into it and think

00:51:20.400 there's something more to this. You know, this is a recent phenomenon. You know, maybe I'd fell

00:51:24.900 victim to what I'd seen on social media. I thought, oh, it's with the Korean thing as well. I just

00:51:28.780 thought, oh, anyone can identify as anything these days. Why not? They can. Because, because they

00:51:33.340 always say, oh, you can have 500 different pronouns, Ziza, you can be a fairy, you could

00:51:38.200 be a clown, like, all right, whatever. So, yeah, when I started researching, I thought

00:51:42.500 something really nefarious and bad is going on. You know, this isn't a question of trying

00:51:46.740 to help people identify in a different way. This is mutilating children. This is harming

00:51:51.500 women. You know, and that's when I thought, you know what, I need to, instead of constantly

00:51:55.580 doing my TikToks and stuff, which were all focused on me or my obsession with the way I

00:51:59.520 looked, I can actually help people. I can actually speak out. And, you know, I've been speaking

00:52:03.400 with a lot of detransition, speaking with a lot of parents, listening to their concerns,

00:52:07.160 and so I've really learned what's really going on.

00:52:09.980 How's the reaction? I imagine the right is saying, good for you, and the left is threatening

00:52:15.500 you.

00:52:16.180 Yeah, you summed it up. So, I had some very kind people. So, when I was going to church,

00:52:20.400 all the people in church were so nice. They didn't know who I was, so they weren't judging

00:52:23.840 me from what they'd seen online. They were just very kind, very nice, saying, you know,

00:52:27.980 just be yourself, be happy. And they were great. And then the conservatives were incredible.

00:52:33.640 Many Americans have been so incredible and kind. But then on the flip side, the trans

00:52:37.880 activists, God, they have been going for me for six months now, and real hate. I mean,

00:52:42.620 the other day I announced, so I'm doing my book, which is about my journey with self-identity.

00:52:47.460 What is it called? Detransition?

00:52:48.480 So, it's called Detransition, a memoir. So, it's about struggling with your identity in

00:52:52.020 this modern age of social media and the different factors that may influence someone to transition.

00:52:56.060 And within it, from my research, I'm talking about the gender ideology, gender-affirming care,

00:53:01.680 what's happening in different states, why is this happening, you know, all those kinds of things as

00:53:06.760 well. So, yeah, I've kind of been researching a lot of those things and stuff. But when I talk about

00:53:13.760 my own journey and stuff, I was getting so much hate. Oh, you're doing it for attention. This is

00:53:17.920 another publicity stunt and stuff. And, you know, this guy's got a new identity crisis every day.

00:53:22.660 Now he's a conservative.

00:53:24.100 No, I don't deny that I had a lot of identity crisis, but I feel like now I've actually unlocked

00:53:28.280 the real me. I've actually found myself. And last week when I announced my book, I had people saying

00:53:32.920 I should be publicly executed. People should throw stones at me, throw rocks at me. So many messages

00:53:37.680 telling me to commit suicide. So many messages telling me to kill myself. And I'm thinking,

00:53:41.460 these are the people with all the pronouns on their bio, all about inclusivity, preaching love and

00:53:46.340 acceptance. Yet, they're the most hateful people out there.

00:53:48.880 When you were in the transition, when you were doing the surgeries, were you getting a comparable

00:53:54.460 level of vitriol from the other side?

00:53:57.620 No, it was all praise, actually. You know, when we're seeing that with a lot of teens,

00:54:01.580 that when they do transition or say their new pronouns, it's all praise. It's all positive.

00:54:06.040 No, like conservatives weren't calling you, weren't threatening you.

00:54:09.540 No.

00:54:10.100 Isn't it?

00:54:11.120 They're actually the nicest people.

00:54:12.480 It's so obvious. You know, obviously, there are going to be of any political faction or any

00:54:20.020 ideology or whatever, you'll get mean people and nice people. But man, there really is this tendency

00:54:24.280 to what I see. And my assumption is, you probably have a lot of people on the right who are insulting

00:54:31.200 you. But that's probably the extent of it saying, what a weirdo. He's creepy, blah, blah, blah. But not

00:54:37.520 threatening you with death or anything like that.

00:54:40.080 Yeah, but I don't really get hate from more conservative people. I always find them always

00:54:43.980 nice, even when I was trans or whatever. They were always, you know, nice to me. It was just the...

00:54:47.940 Wow.

00:54:48.460 So when I did actually transition and I shared, you know, I actually went out in public. I was at the

00:54:52.540 Cannes Film Festival. I was in this pink dress. I was so nervous. That was my first time fully as a

00:54:56.760 woman. And, you know, I had to be sewn into this dress as I got out the car. I could hear the threads

00:55:01.140 ripping. And I didn't even have heels on. I was like wearing these silly boots. And I felt so

00:55:05.380 embarrassed. But everyone was screaming at me, all so nice. And all the K-pop fans were there and

00:55:09.260 stuff. So I felt good. So it was all about positive affirmations, validation, which is what everyone

00:55:14.360 that transition seems to get. But the hate, you know, it kind of stopped for a while. You know,

00:55:19.880 I was used to hate and I kind of stopped. And suddenly when I said, look, I've made a mistake.

00:55:23.820 I want to get back to being me. It's been relentless. It's been the worst it's ever been. Relentless

00:55:28.480 abuse. And, you know, I can take it. I'm an adult, but I fear for children that are 18,

00:55:32.720 like this Chloe Cole who's detransitioned. The abuse they're suffering, they're already so

00:55:36.880 vulnerable. They've been traumatized from what they've been through. And to then try to detransition

00:55:41.260 and go through that as a teenager with all those hormones, with all those emotions, it is so

00:55:45.920 stressful. So when they get hate, I feel so bad for them. And, you know, it's a terrible thing.

00:55:50.560 And a lot of the trans activists, they're the ones sending them hate.

00:55:54.780 When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins

00:56:00.540 and insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care

00:56:05.560 about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that

00:56:13.620 part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention

00:56:21.080 that we care? Putting the wrong items in recycling can be a big problem and costs millions of dollars

00:56:28.560 every year. Learn how to recycle right at toronto.ca slash recycle.

00:56:34.560 Matt Walsh did that. We mentioned this previously. He did this. He made a statement monologue. I don't

00:56:40.880 know what I'm going to call it, where he was like, there is no going too far in the culture where people

00:56:44.460 like Dylan Mulvaney are targeting our children and that will destroy their lives. And so he's going to be

00:56:49.440 mean. And I lean towards agreeing with him. But also I have some qualms about it. I agree in the

00:56:56.440 sense that what we've seen for a long time is nonstop positive affirmation. If the only thing

00:57:03.880 a kid sees when asking about getting a sex change surgery as a minor, and we've had Kim Petras and

00:57:11.080 Jazz Janine are two examples of individuals who as minors got what they call bottom surgery. The

00:57:18.700 activists try to deny it's happening. Those are some of the most famous trans people.

00:57:22.780 The only thing they see when they go online is, it's great. You'll love it. Everyone loves you.

00:57:27.000 Not a single person says, don't do it. It's bad. You'll hurt yourself. Or if they do, they get banned.

00:57:33.280 So Matt Walsh comes out and says, we're going to be mean. And I think two things. One,

00:57:37.420 I lean towards him being right because there needs to be a negative social repercussion

00:57:41.980 to engaging in harmful behavior. We need to tell people who are, like for Dylan Mulvaney

00:57:46.840 in this instance, I think Dylan's a bad person. I think Dylan is a narcissist trying to get fame.

00:57:51.740 They're very dangerous. You know, what they've done on Twitter, TikTok. So people are copying them.

00:57:55.940 They're wanting to become them because they're seeing the fame, the money, the fortune, the praise.

00:58:00.240 And that's the harm. And like you said, with Matt Walsh, it's a different side of the argument.

00:58:04.360 Put pressure against it.

00:58:05.640 Sometimes you have to be blunt. Sometimes you have to be brutally honest and say, look,

00:58:08.840 this is harmful. We're mutilating children in order for people to wake up because we're seeing

00:58:13.220 many of the mainstream media still do not cover detransitioning. You know, good luck finding

00:58:17.180 a detransitioner on CNN or MSNBC. Never seen one. Rarely if ever. I think, I think, uh, I think

00:58:23.160 the New York Times did one story and it was like a big deal. And they're being canceled for it just

00:58:27.040 for, and that, you know, they did a couple of stories talking about, uh, the harms and questioning

00:58:32.080 gender affirming minors, you know, just a question. And as a newspaper, they're meant to do

00:58:37.040 balanced reporting, right? And they got so much backlash. They had 30,000 people sign a petition.

00:58:42.580 They had so many celebrities, including, um, Chelsea Manning, the one, the WikiLeaks one that

00:58:47.000 leaked all the things that was, um, had a court martial and stuff. They had all these people,

00:58:50.740 you know, boycotting them. They had protest trucks outside. They had the human rights campaign,

00:58:55.100 GLAD, the LGBT organization, all for an article. And you think that's their job. Their job is to report

00:59:00.640 what they, you know, who they interview and stuff.

00:59:03.260 The other thing I think about the Matt Walsh circumstances, my fear is if you create negative

00:59:09.840 pressure, it actually may just push these people further into. So, you know, if you've got someone

00:59:17.120 who is feeling bad and so they say, I'm going to try transitioning. And then all of a sudden they get

00:59:24.340 attacked. They're called gross and ugly, but then they look to their left and they see people saying,

00:59:28.020 you're beautiful. We love you. And if you come here, we'll give you a hug. That might actually

00:59:31.120 encourage them to do that. Yeah. At the same time, you know, I just don't know. I lean towards

00:59:35.720 agreeing with Matt Walsh because I do kind of feel like if a young person, there's, there,

00:59:40.380 here's the pros and the cons. A young person who is confused, scared, and maybe having an identity

00:59:45.480 crisis, if they see nothing but positive affirmation and nothing but positive stories,

00:59:52.380 then they assume it's a good thing. But if they approach this subject and they get,

00:59:56.680 and they see the mockery of Dylan Mulvaney, they might think, well, I don't want that.

01:00:00.780 I don't want people calling me gross, eerie, and ugly. And then they see the negative stories as

01:00:05.420 well. They might weigh the pros and the cons of both sides, and it may actually help a lot of

01:00:09.720 kids avoid this. Right. Because most of these kids are being sold a dream. You know, until recently,

01:00:14.100 until people started speaking out and fighting against this, it was a dream. You know, we'd see

01:00:18.820 examples of, you know, Nikita Dragon or Kim Petras, you know, happy, successful people. You know,

01:00:23.640 they've got great careers. They've got millions of followers, loads of money, and kids think,

01:00:28.620 wow, they're so happy because they transitioned. So people seem to think that the solution to

01:00:32.940 happiness is transitioning. A lot of these teens already have very severe depression when they're

01:00:37.880 being diagnosed with gender dysphoria. So they're thinking this is suddenly like a switch. They're

01:00:43.140 going to be happy one day. I also felt the same when I used to have surgery. I'd think I'll be happy.

01:00:47.340 And I was for two months, three months, I was happy. And then I would think about the next thing.

01:00:51.240 Well, you mentioned what you were on like a red carpet in a dress as a woman. What was what was

01:00:55.620 that? So that was the first time I'd actually worn women's clothes in public. So I was like an

01:01:02.060 event or something. Yeah, it was the Cannes Film Festival in France. So I basically, and it was in

01:01:05.800 front of thousands of people. It happened to be a Korean film as well. So there was all the Korean

01:01:09.460 actors and actresses there and stuff. I didn't even know what film I was going to. And I like got out

01:01:13.760 the car and everyone was screaming. So I was like, it made me feel good. But I was so nervous because I

01:01:17.760 was sewn into this dress, sewn into literally, it didn't look good on me. And then I had these

01:01:23.060 kind of Chelsea boots on and stuff because I didn't have any heels. And I literally felt like

01:01:27.760 the Fred's ripping and I thought this I'm gonna have a disaster on this red carpet, I'm going to

01:01:30.760 be the worst dress. But you know, I had the validation, everyone was positive, everyone was

01:01:34.200 nice positivity online, which is what anyone that's you know, a boy that puts on a dress goes

01:01:39.800 on TikTok. It's all validation.

01:01:41.580 Well, this is what this is what I'm thinking. I mean, you're you're in the limelight.

01:01:45.120 Mm hmm. You're you were getting press coverage, both positive and negative. But there's no such

01:01:49.420 thing as bad press. But you're also on the was the red carpet of cans. Yes. Yeah. This is

01:01:53.960 mainstream success for you. Yeah, when I was trans. Exactly. And it's funny, because I always go to

01:01:59.740 New York Fashion Week. I'm always front row a lot of the shows. This year, a lot of designers disinvited

01:02:03.760 me, unfollowed me all because of my views. And I'm thinking, come on, you can agree to disagree. Not

01:02:08.520 everyone has to agree in this world. You know, you can have a friend that's a Democrat or Republican.

01:02:12.240 What's wrong with that? But why is there so much division now when if someone dares to question

01:02:17.100 like Matt Welsh, dares to question the narrative and say, this is actually harming our children,

01:02:21.340 you're suddenly the bad one. So you've. This is a detriment to your career.

01:02:26.760 Yeah, I lost so many brand deals when I detransitioned and shared that I got so much

01:02:30.700 backlash or so many brand deals because, you know, I had clothing deals with a lot of brands

01:02:34.200 and they were kind of women's clothes and stuff, hair products. And I lost so many brand

01:02:38.340 deals and I got canceled by a lot of people. I've got so many disinvitations to fashion

01:02:42.900 shows. And, you know, I was even walking the catwalk at some shows as well and not this

01:02:47.020 season. So, you know, people seem to think, oh, they're transphobic. And I'm really not.

01:02:51.560 I'm very inclusive. I'm just speaking up, you know, from what I've learned over the last six

01:02:56.400 months is there's a real lot of harm going on with social media, with the pressures, with

01:03:00.920 education system that is teaching kids to change their gender from a young age. You know,

01:03:05.880 it's harmful and we need to fight back like Matt Walsh is doing good on him for speaking

01:03:10.380 up.

01:03:11.320 Yeah. So, I mean, when I was asking about how long ago it was that you detransitioned,

01:03:15.740 there is an element of, are you just doing this because it's a path towards, is it a

01:03:19.820 grift? You found a path towards, look, this thing ran its course. I can't get surgery anymore.

01:03:25.220 I know if I detransition, then I'll get everybody else to buy my stuff. But when you mentioned that

01:03:29.820 you're on the red carpet, it can.

01:03:31.200 I've lost a lot of stuff. I've lost more than I've gained. So, you know, when people say,

01:03:34.320 oh, he's doing it for attention. It's a grift. Like people always say like Jeffree Star. Now

01:03:37.840 they're saying it's a grift. Well, actually I lost so many brand deals because I was going

01:03:41.260 to all these fashion shows, all these red carpets. Suddenly that's all stopped all because

01:03:45.060 people think I'm transphobic and I'm really not. So, you know, I've kind of lost all of

01:03:50.000 that so that I can help people. You know, I've got out of that cycle where I was just obsessed

01:03:53.820 with looking a certain way, being a certain way. I've got out of that. So I've given up all

01:03:57.480 of that to try and now use my platform to help people because at the end of the day,

01:04:01.380 there's a lot of people suffering. And if I can help save one life, I'm happy to.

01:04:05.300 You know, we're looking at, we've been talking about Madonna a lot in the pop culture spaces.

01:04:10.100 She gets this plastic surgery and she looks very strange. Trying to be nice. But that got

01:04:15.780 me thinking about a lot of this stuff and celebrities get plastic surgery all the time.

01:04:20.660 They do it because they're on camera personalities and they want to look a certain way. How is that

01:04:24.600 any different from many of these individuals like Dylan Mulvaney? So, you know, people would

01:04:29.540 say Dylan Mulvaney is trans clearly because Dylan got facial surgery and I'm like Madonna

01:04:33.860 got facial surgery. You know, it's trans. Yeah. It's people, people get surgery to look

01:04:39.060 a certain way to advance their careers all the time. Yeah. And that's what I was doing

01:04:42.740 in Korea because, you know, you have to look a certain way to be successful. You know, I

01:04:46.580 was doing K-pop music. I was doing a lot of kind of K-pop videos and stuff. So you have

01:04:51.660 to look a certain way to succeed. And a lot of people in Hollywood, they get the fox eye surgery,

01:04:56.040 which is a tradition, you know, it's the kind of the Asian, almost Asian looking eyes,

01:05:00.360 like Megan Fox has clearly got it, Kylie Jenner and stuff. They all get surgery. They also get the

01:05:05.160 chin shaving, the jaw shaving, all the Kardashians. And so it's very normal in order to succeed in this

01:05:10.320 modern society. So we were talking about this earlier in Korea, they get westernization plastic

01:05:14.840 surgery, right? So they get, they tend to have very small natural noses. So they tend to get a

01:05:19.160 silicone implant here to make the nose bridge higher, more pointy and bigger, which is interesting

01:05:24.680 because they look like Europeans. Yeah. So to emulate those features. So some, something they'd

01:05:29.160 see in like a Hollywood magazine or Vogue or something. Um, they also get bigger lips. Uh,

01:05:33.880 they have their jaws shaved to a V shape. Um, and they also have a double eyelid surgery to make

01:05:39.080 their eyes larger. So they look like more Caucasian features. So the people don't talk about it like

01:05:44.760 that. Koreans don't talk about surgery. They always say, Oh no, I'm natural. Never had anything,

01:05:48.520 but you can see every, every K-pop star. They look perfect for a reason.

01:05:52.360 Fucking Korea, man. I mean, you've got North Korea, which is communist dystopia. And it sounds like

01:05:59.400 South Korea is capitalist dystopia. I'm, I'm, I shouldn't call it dystopia because Seoul is

01:06:04.280 awesome. Uh, I've only been to Seoul and, uh, it's not anywhere near a dystopia, but it is funny how

01:06:10.600 they are getting surgery there. It's, it's basically a culture of what you were doing in the other

01:06:16.180 direction. And we don't talk about that. I've not heard that story before. And that's very strange to

01:06:19.880 me. Why is it that in Korea, it is normal to do the inverse of what you did. But when you get

01:06:27.960 surgery to look Korean, everybody in the West says, wow, this guy's out of it. What's he doing? This

01:06:31.480 is crazy.

01:06:32.320 Yeah. And I always used to say, you know, if you actually go to Korea, look at the foreigners,

01:06:35.960 everyone wants to look Korean. So they all have the surgery. They changed the hairstyle,

01:06:39.400 the clothing, they learn Korean. It's just a normal thing. No one will say they're Korean or admit it,

01:06:43.840 but they all want to be part of that culture. You know, many of them stay living there for 10 years,

01:06:47.460 20 years, they marry a Korean partner, they immerse themselves into that culture. So,

01:06:51.700 you know, I was just speaking up from my experience and that's totally normal what

01:06:55.000 happens in Korea. So many people go there every year for surgery from Europe, from Germany, from

01:07:00.200 even from Russia.

01:07:01.500 So it sounds like outside of the transgender thing, the transracial thing,

01:07:05.140 it seems like what you were doing actually fit in with what Koreans do. Like you getting surgeries.

01:07:11.340 Exactly. I mean, we could call them transracial for wanting to look like Angelina Jolie. You know,

01:07:16.800 and the transracial word is kind of an interesting word because I didn't actually coin that word. I

01:07:21.460 just said, Oh, I like Korea. I want to be Korean. Why not? I've had the surgery. Why not? But you

01:07:26.500 know, that, that word is kind of racially charged and people always assume, Oh, racist,

01:07:30.360 racist. And I got called racist so many times. And you know, when I'm in Korea or on the Korean

01:07:34.320 news, they love it. They absolutely love it. They think, Oh, this is quite funny. This is quite

01:07:37.860 cool. He loves our country so much when they're trying to look like, you know, someone from my

01:07:42.380 country or someone from America.

01:07:44.200 It's funny. I was looking at your Instagram and there's a picture of you with sunglasses on

01:07:48.120 and you look Korean.

01:07:49.840 Oh, thanks.

01:07:50.660 Yeah.

01:07:51.960 Yeah.

01:07:52.640 No, I mean, yeah. I don't think you look Korean now.

01:07:55.440 No, I kind of, I've kind of gone away from that, but cause I had the hair and stuff. I used to do

01:07:59.260 all the makeup. Now I've just got rid of all that. Cause I'm just trying to just be a man and just be me.

01:08:03.940 Yeah.

01:08:04.340 How, how, how do we navigate this? You know, I was talking to, there's this big,

01:08:09.300 there's a rumor that goes around that never dies about schools putting litter boxes in their

01:08:13.460 bathrooms for furries and like trans animal or trans species or whatever. And I don't think it's

01:08:18.000 true. I think, you know, Joe Rogan talked about it. He's like, you hear the school, they put a

01:08:23.100 litter box in the bathroom. And then, um, I'm pretty sure it's not true as a rumor, but it just goes

01:08:28.540 around. But we are, we are entering this time of like just rabid identity crisis where young people

01:08:36.460 don't know what they are. I feel like a big component of it is, I mean, we, we, we kind of

01:08:41.160 addressed it is that adults are just affirming whatever garbage nonsense a kid says. And it's

01:08:46.760 just like, I kind of feel like, you know, for the people who listen to a show like this or the people

01:08:51.780 who are more conservative, they get it. Get your kids out of these schools, get them away from these

01:08:55.420 people who are either predators or, or cultists. But it does feel like so long as the institutions

01:09:01.040 are captured with this, so long as the mainstream narrative is positive in the direction of identity

01:09:06.540 crisis, it's going to get worse. We're going to see more self-harm, more suicide and stranger behavior.

01:09:12.260 When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins

01:09:17.900 insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you.

01:09:25.420 Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part.

01:09:31.900 Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care.

01:09:37.580 Did I mention that we care?

01:09:41.760 Jackpot City is the home of all things casino. There's just one house rule to create the perfect

01:09:46.880 online casino for you. We've built a world-class lineup of classic casino games such as roulette and

01:09:51.900 blackjack and crafted a virtual range of the best slots, including Atlantean treasures.

01:09:56.200 Everything's online. Everything's ready. Everything's for you. So whenever you're feeling

01:09:59.900 playful, head to Jackpot City and you'll be endlessly entertained. Jackpot City, casino games

01:10:05.020 perfectly made for you. Must be 19 plus. Ontario residents only. Please play responsibly. Gambling

01:10:09.560 problem? Visit connexontario.ca.

01:10:11.260 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, again, we didn't have social media, you know, 20 years ago. And as I said,

01:10:18.300 there's 100 gender clinics that opened within the last 15 years. So social media goes hand in hand

01:10:24.280 with what we're seeing. Society has completely changed. People are also desensitized now.

01:10:28.380 Everything is so easy. Oh, you can be like this. You can be like that. And that's what we're seeing

01:10:32.140 with the identities. You know, before it was, you know, you're either a male or female or some people

01:10:36.240 were trans. Now it's like, oh, you can be this. You can be that. You can be literally anything.

01:10:41.140 Yeah, exactly. You can be a man one day. Yeah, fluid. And you can have someone that identifies

01:10:45.520 as a woman, but they've got a beard, you know, and they don't even bother. I mean, like this guy

01:10:50.040 on TikTok, this Jeffrey Marsh guy, the creepy, I call him like a cult leader. He's so talks like a

01:10:54.620 cult leader, you know, indoctrinating these kids, telling them to hate their parents. And I think social

01:10:59.520 media is probably one of the driving factors with this new phenomenon. And of course, the education

01:11:05.720 system, I talk about all this in my book and stuff about where is all this coming from? Because

01:11:09.660 we didn't have so much like this 20 years ago. Now we're seeing the numbers of kids skyrocket,

01:11:14.720 the gender dysphoria diagnosis skyrocketing. I think some of it is endocrine disruptors.

01:11:19.360 Are you familiar with this? So Bill Maher was saying, we got to figure out what's causing this stuff,

01:11:25.880 because in California, you have an explosion of trans kids and in Ohio, you don't. So either something

01:11:32.280 we're doing here is making them or something like that. And the idea he was getting across was it

01:11:37.260 was political, that California is telling kids to do it, Ohio isn't. And what the activists will say

01:11:42.400 is, in a space where trans kids are affirmed, they come out. But in a place like Ohio, where

01:11:49.220 they're not affirmed, they hide it. So the reality is, oh, the trans kids are everywhere, but only when

01:11:55.400 it's safe, do they say this? And I'm like, well, I think that's actually not true. I think it's true

01:12:00.340 for this for the rare occasion where someone is truly gender dysphoric. And I think social pressures are

01:12:05.800 creating kids who identify as trans because they're being told to. But then I also wonder if there are

01:12:12.100 things called PCBs. Do you know what PCB stands for? Polychloral somethings? I don't know.

01:12:22.500 There's phthalates. And these are like plastic and petrochemicals that are leaching into our food

01:12:29.440 from, I mean, look, we got like, I got some jars of vitamins over there, plastic bottles.

01:12:35.360 Polychlorinated biphenyls.

01:12:36.720 Polychlorinated biphenyls are just telling us. So these things you ingest and then it disrupts

01:12:43.800 your endocrine system, your hormones. So, you know, we got, you've seen that famous Alex Jones

01:12:48.620 are turning the frogs gay. Yes, I have. Yeah. Yeah. He was talking about atrazine. Yeah. And it's

01:12:53.360 this pesticide that they said was screwing with the endocrine systems of frogs, turning their ovaries

01:12:59.320 into testes, testes into ovaries, making them hermaphroditic and things like that. And so I wonder if a

01:13:04.440 component of this is actually, I went to an antique store. Let me pause, put a pin in that. I went to

01:13:10.140 an antique store and I'm looking, they have a can of soda from the fifties made of metal.

01:13:15.380 They've got all of these old containers for food, metal and glass. And I'm thinking like,

01:13:22.340 how crazy would that be to go pick up a box of cereal and it's a box. But then when you got to,

01:13:27.720 you got to get a can of, you know, beans, like everything's metal. Granted, cans are still metal

01:13:33.060 today. But all of your products, when you would get like orange, orange soda, metal, not plastic,

01:13:38.800 everything's in metal or, or glass today, you know, we, we end up with everything being made

01:13:44.680 of plastic. And I wonder if after the fifties, you have all of these adults, uh, they're eating

01:13:51.400 food out of glass and metal. So they're not getting endocrine disruptors. They give birth to the boomer

01:13:57.340 generation. I know I'm going to hear the silent and the Gen X was complain cause they always get

01:14:01.860 overlooked, but there's like, there's a wave of how the boomers mostly have the millennials.

01:14:06.640 So the boomers start consuming foods in plastic products. Now you get, you get women who were born

01:14:13.360 in the late fifties, early sixties, who are having children in the eighties in their, in their early

01:14:18.840 twenties or whatever. These are millennials, but they're eating out of plastic and the plastic is

01:14:25.120 going into the womb. It's going and into the men, it's going into their, their bodies as well.

01:14:28.960 And the babies are developing with endocrine disruptors in their bodies. I wonder if a law,

01:14:35.080 a reason we're seeing a rise in trans individuals, it's not just a social factor, but that these

01:14:41.220 chemicals fuck with your hormones. So then, you know, I hear a lot of people, James Lindsay, for

01:14:46.980 instance, a good example. He says, there's no such thing as a trans kid. And I said, I don't agree

01:14:50.440 with that. I, I think there's a lot of bullshit. I think there's a lot of social pressures, but I think

01:14:56.260 we probably are seeing children born of mothers who get all of their food from plastics, have these

01:15:04.600 chemicals in their body that then screw up the brains of the baby in utero. The baby is then born

01:15:09.940 feminized or masculinized and they're confused and something doesn't make sense. I think there's a,

01:15:16.200 there's a strong likelihood of that. I don't know, you know, you're not like a chemical environmental

01:15:20.680 activist or anything like that, but I'm, you know, I'm curious your thoughts.

01:15:23.280 Um, no, you know, I wouldn't discount that theory because, you know, who knows? I think,

01:15:27.920 you know, plastics can be harmful and we see instances of products that get recalled all the

01:15:33.000 time because they might have harmful chemicals. And even, um, it was baby powder, like talcum powder

01:15:37.360 that was recalled at some point because it may cause cancer. So we do know that these products

01:15:42.220 can cause certain health issues, but obviously these are multi-billion dollar corporations.

01:15:46.860 They're going to lobby so that you don't hear about that. Right. I mean, look at the way they're

01:15:50.740 treating people in East Palestine at the moment, you know, that's going to cause a lot of harm.

01:15:54.460 I mean, look at that water. That's going to cause a lot of problems down the line.

01:15:58.420 Oh, animals are dying.

01:15:59.520 But all these companies, they cover it up. Oh, it's perfectly safe. You must trust us. Don't

01:16:03.020 worry. We've tested it here. I'm going to drink the water. It's fine. You know, I don't believe

01:16:07.320 that. So I definitely think there's merit. And with the Alex Jones frogs thing, yeah, I definitely

01:16:11.480 think there is something because there's got to be a reason why this is a recent phenomenon.

01:16:15.620 Exactly. There were social media as well. But of course, there were, of course, which again,

01:16:21.260 I talk about in my book, different instances of trans people throughout history. So there was

01:16:24.800 the first person that had a sex change was actually in Germany in the 1920s. So there was

01:16:31.020 several guys that had sex change and they were put on hormones. There was also a, an American GI Joe

01:16:37.380 soldier that transitioned to a female, I believe 1952. So, you know, we've seen throughout history,

01:16:44.140 there are some instances of people like that, but suddenly there are, you know, tens of thousands.

01:16:49.400 I mean, there's 1.6 million people in the US that identify as trans or non-binary. That's a really

01:16:54.140 big number. We didn't have that number in the nineties. So, so what was the number? So right

01:17:00.860 now it's 1.6 million people in the US that identify as trans or non-binary. And, you know, years ago,

01:17:06.400 we didn't have such a high number and we're seeing these gender clinics, you know, five years ago,

01:17:10.960 they started with, you know, maybe a thousand patients. Now they're seeing 5,000 patients. And

01:17:15.040 last year, gender clinics made $2.2 billion. That's projected to rise to, uh, 5 billion by 2030.

01:17:21.980 So we're seeing this sharp increase. So there's a variety of factors. So I certainly wouldn't

01:17:26.760 discount the theory about the, um, plastic, the frogs turning the fricking frogs gay.

01:17:31.540 Well, the funny thing is, you mentioned these corporations trying to cover this stuff up.

01:17:34.280 Um, they, there was a study that said the chemical pesticide atrazine was disrupting frogs. Alex

01:17:41.120 Jones did a report on it and he's very colorful. So he goes, they're turning the fricking frogs gay.

01:17:47.240 And we all had a laugh, but there are a lot of people who saw that and said, Alex Jones is a

01:17:51.220 lunatic. And it's like, actually he was telling you the truth. I mean, granted the frogs weren't being

01:17:56.220 gay. They were being messed up severely in a bunch of different ways. But I think since then,

01:18:01.580 they've rescinded that study and they said, no, you know what? We were wrong about this. And

01:18:05.980 I don't buy it for a second. I think what, one of the, one of the problems we have with this whole,

01:18:11.100 uh, debate, there's, there's an incentive among companies that profit off of petrochemicals and

01:18:17.660 other, you know, whether it's vinyl chloride in, in East Palestine or PCBs, thalates, et cetera,

01:18:24.320 they don't want that to be the issue. So if it is true that these chemicals are causing

01:18:31.360 at least some of the gender dysphoria, they will make sure the debate is social the entire way.

01:18:39.380 Because if it, you know, we have asbestos. We, we figure out that when you break it up,

01:18:44.640 the fibers get in your lungs, you get mesothelioma. Hey, big problem. We've had,

01:18:49.200 they used to drink mercury. Hey, we don't do that anymore.

01:18:50.960 The Roundup.

01:18:52.080 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.

01:18:53.800 Grass feeder. That's

01:18:54.700 What was that?

01:18:55.100 Kidney damage?

01:18:55.520 Causing cancer or something. I see all these, you know, lawyer adverts on TV. Oh, if you've had

01:18:59.700 Roundup, you may be entitled to compensation. So that's obviously caused a lot of issues.

01:19:04.080 They're going to avoid that, like the plague and the lobby, they're PR people. I mean,

01:19:09.200 I imagine you'll get a company that manufactures plastic bottles. And then it's probably a consortium

01:19:14.740 because a bunch of different companies and some PR person, you know, someone comes up and says,

01:19:18.780 look, we got new studies showing this is causing health problems. And we know it is,

01:19:24.420 whether it is actually causing gender dysphoria or not. So we, we try very hard here. We've got glass

01:19:29.400 bottles up there. We, you can't avoid plastic entirely, but I tried to stay away from it,

01:19:33.840 but you're going to get a, these companies are going to go to a PR firm and they're going to

01:19:37.120 be like, what can we do to make sure this never becomes the principal issue? And they will dump

01:19:41.480 money into making sure left and right culture war happens before anyone holds one of these

01:19:46.240 corporations accountable.

01:19:47.680 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's no denying in Washington, there's so much money floating

01:19:51.300 around from these corporations. I mean, if we look at the case of the North, was it North

01:19:56.400 and Southern, the train company, the train company, they had donated, I believe, um,

01:20:02.720 for $4 million, um, to members of Congress. Uh, most of that was the Democrats. Um, so yeah,

01:20:09.000 they donated that previously. So why do you think, you know, Democrats aren't rushing there?

01:20:13.460 Why hasn't Biden gone there? You know, he's too busy in, um, in Europe. So I definitely think

01:20:17.440 there is a coverup and these companies are very powerful. And, you know, it's like tobacco

01:20:21.120 companies. They lobby all the time. You know, we know smoking is very dangerous. It causes

01:20:25.040 cancer. You know, they're always lobbying. They are still able to sell their products

01:20:28.760 and stuff. So we know, um, we shouldn't be trusting brands.

01:20:32.480 I mean, the 10 years ago calling out corporations for lobbying was a left-wing position, but now

01:20:39.640 it's like a right-wing position, I guess.

01:20:41.620 Yeah. Cause I mean, if you look at the Sam, uh, Brinkman, Freud, um, SPF, you know, all of

01:20:46.640 his money was going to Democrats, you know, Maxine Walters, she was lining her pockets.

01:20:50.140 So how, yeah. Were you always into politics? Um, yeah, I've always followed politics. I never

01:20:55.140 spoke politically cause I always thought, you know, as you know, cause I'm online, I'm on

01:20:59.080 TikTok and stuff. It's best to be non-political just because I wouldn't want to alienate people.

01:21:02.720 But I got to a point last year when I was detransitioning and stuff, and I thought there's

01:21:06.480 so many bad things going on right now. Like, am I going to just ignore that and just keep doing

01:21:10.800 silly TikToks, keep doing K-pop and stuff, or am I going to actually address that and try

01:21:15.040 and raise awareness of what's going on? So, you know, we've all got the platform in life

01:21:18.640 to speak up on issues. And I think the world seems to be going backwards. And like we're

01:21:23.260 talking about Alex Jones, he's been right about a lot of things that have happened. You know,

01:21:26.500 he predicted things 15 years ago, 20 years ago. Um, so I think, yeah, no, it's funny. Cause

01:21:31.980 I mean, six months ago, you're this personality who's getting surgeries to be trans Korean and

01:21:36.860 now you're like, Alex Jones was right. Yeah. Well, do you know what? I've actually been

01:21:40.000 watching Alex Jones since a teenager. I just never, I never expressed my political opinion

01:21:44.280 online because I always thought, you know, it's most people that are influencers,

01:21:48.000 celebrities, whatever they don't, because you alienate half your audience. But I just

01:21:51.720 got to a point where I was like, you know, I don't know if I can say that word. Fuck

01:21:54.920 it. But like, um, you know, I need to use my platform to do good, you know, stop doing

01:22:00.020 all these silly K-pop videos, actually speak up for what's going on. Because at the end

01:22:03.340 of the day, kids, thousands of kids are going through these surgeries right now. Thousands

01:22:07.620 of parents are losing access to their kids because of this and women are losing their rights.

01:22:11.060 So, you know, I should be speaking up. I've got a platform. I should speak up.

01:22:14.440 Well, what are some other issues you you're focusing on? It feels like you've become

01:22:18.320 more overtly political, you know?

01:22:20.460 Yeah. And I really, I'd always, you know, I'd always adopted more conservative values,

01:22:24.940 like a more traditional and stuff. Um, but you know, increasingly I've seen what's going

01:22:29.580 on in America, like with the Democrats, how bad they are, like Pete Buttigieg and Biden and stuff.

01:22:34.520 They just don't seem to care about the people they're supposed to be serving. Um, and it's

01:22:39.080 concerning. And it's not like most Republicans do either to be, to be fair.

01:22:42.360 Most politicians don't care. Apart from they care about the lobbyists that are lining their

01:22:45.980 pockets and stuff.

01:22:46.940 But there's like five Republicans and like one Democrat. Like Ro Khanna, I think is pretty

01:22:51.920 good, but not perfect. So I'll give them credit where credit is due. But yeah, I mean, the East

01:22:57.140 Palestine thing has been a subject of ire for me. I just can't understand. It's, it's an easy win.

01:23:04.100 A train derails, chemical burn, chickens are dying.

01:23:07.640 When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins

01:23:14.660 Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you.

01:23:22.640 Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird. I don't remember saying that part.

01:23:28.680 Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance. That's really big on care.

01:23:33.480 Did I mention that we care?

01:23:38.440 Jackpot City is the home of all things casino. There's just one house rule to create the perfect

01:23:43.640 online casino for you. We've built a world-class lineup of classic casino games such as roulette

01:23:48.500 and blackjack and crafted a virtual range of the best slots, including Atlantean treasures.

01:23:52.960 Everything's online. Everything's ready. Everything's for you. So whenever you're feeling playful,

01:23:57.320 head to Jackpot City and you'll be endlessly entertained. Jackpot City, casino games perfectly made

01:24:02.500 for you. Must be 19 plus. Ontario residents only. Please play responsibly. Gambling problem? Visit

01:24:06.900 ConnexOntario.ca.

01:24:09.720 You show up, you bring a box of food, you smile and wave.

01:24:13.700 Which is what Trump did. He bought McDonald's and Trump branded water. I mean...

01:24:17.680 I love the McDonald's thing so much, man.

01:24:19.520 That was funny. He was handing out MAGA hats as well. But, you know, at least that was giving the

01:24:23.200 people hope because no one else was bothering. You know, obviously you had many Republican senators.

01:24:27.440 J.D. Vance was there pretty much every day. Tulsi Gabbard's now there on the ground and stuff.

01:24:32.360 But, you know, you're not seeing Biden. Biden's on his tour. You know, he's slipping up the steps

01:24:36.340 as he's walking on a plane. He hasn't... He doesn't seem to have time to go visit American people that

01:24:40.900 right now are being exposed to things. People are scared to even take their dogs out into the garden

01:24:45.340 in case, you know...

01:24:47.160 It's fascinating that you're up to date on all the modern, like, current political stuff too.

01:24:52.360 And it's... I mean, I didn't expect it.

01:24:54.780 I mean, I know about Korean politics as well. I know about the UK politics as well. But,

01:24:58.420 you know, the UK, with what I talk about, it's not as extreme. We're shutting down that clinic.

01:25:03.640 We had the issue recently with Scotland, which was allowing people to self-identify. And we were

01:25:07.480 seeing men in women's prisons. So I've been very vocal about that. But we don't have such an extreme

01:25:12.740 issue when it comes to transitioning children and women's rights. Whereas in America,

01:25:17.020 it's very, very polarized. And this is where, you know, thousands of kids are being medically

01:25:21.740 transitioned. So I feel like I should be lending my voice where it's needed.

01:25:24.980 You do have free speech issues in the UK, though. I mean, it seems particularly worse there.

01:25:29.860 Yeah. I mean, we had some cases recently of people silently praying outside abortion clinics. And,

01:25:34.820 you know, whatever people's opinions of that, they weren't, you know, they weren't screaming and

01:25:38.360 shouting. They were silent. They were just stood there. So that's an issue when it comes to freedom

01:25:42.280 of speech. And, you know, we should always protect freedom of speech, you know, regardless of what

01:25:46.740 people's opinions, you know, even, you know, people like Dylan Malvin and stuff, we do need to think,

01:25:51.420 okay, this is a society, we can agree to disagree, or I might not agree with Dylan, but it's freedom

01:25:56.380 of speech.

01:25:57.200 I've moved a little bit on, I've never been a free speech absolutist. These are people who think that

01:26:04.240 even calls for violence, because they're not the act themselves should be protected. I don't agree

01:26:08.660 with that. If you're instructing or advocating for criminal action, violent action, probably criminal

01:26:14.660 action is tough. You can advocate for doing drugs, you should say drugs should be legal. But to instruct

01:26:19.160 physical harm, it is difficult, because if you say, oh, you can't incite a crime, then

01:26:24.240 it's like, well, that means you can't advocate for things to be made legal.

01:26:27.620 Right.

01:26:28.000 But I've never been a free speech absolutist, though I'm pretty close. I moved a little bit

01:26:32.180 in that it was a couple months ago I said, I will not defend the free speech of people

01:26:38.940 who want to end free speech. And I had, I think most people who watch my show agreed, and

01:26:44.680 they said, like, you know, figuratively, no quarter. Don't defend people who are destroying.

01:26:50.340 But I had some people be like, well, then you don't believe in free speech, blah, blah,

01:26:52.980 blah. And I'm like, no, I do. But if someone is setting, like, if I believe, if someone is

01:26:57.920 setting fire to my home, I'm not going to protect their right to set fires. You know what I mean?

01:27:01.900 Right.

01:27:02.100 They're actively trying to take away our right to communicate ideas.

01:27:05.980 Right.

01:27:06.180 They're advocating for censorship from massive corporations. And then when they get censored,

01:27:10.120 they go, come help me. And I'm like, dude, you're an arsonist. And then your house got burned down

01:27:15.600 because of your stupidity. And you expect us to come to your aid. Insofar as your burning home may

01:27:22.580 set someone else's house on fire. Agreed. But you reap what you sow.

01:27:26.560 Well, it's kind of like these extreme trans activists that I've been facing online and anyone

01:27:31.720 that speaks out against transitioning kids seems to get. It's like they don't seem to like free

01:27:35.980 speech. You know, they might not agree with what I'm saying. They might think, oh, this is a dream.

01:27:40.640 I want to transition, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, at the end of the day, everyone's entitled to

01:27:44.380 free speech, but they seem to be against it. You know, anyone that dares to question it. That's why I

01:27:48.800 think it is a cult. It's just like a cult because you have cult leaders. You have people that bring

01:27:53.540 vulnerable people into the cult. They affirm them. They give them validation. And then suddenly,

01:27:57.580 the moment they leave that trans ideology, they are then targeted to personal attacks,

01:28:03.140 harassment, death threats, which is exactly what a cult, you know, like Scientology.

01:28:07.200 That's what they do. Exactly. So, you know, that's the danger. They don't seem to like

01:28:11.060 free speech, but, you know, they're in a free country. If they don't like it, go to North Korea.

01:28:15.660 I hear that Scientology is also very litigious, very litigious, willing to sue. It's interesting.

01:28:22.020 There are some prominent people that I know, and even people we've had on the show who are

01:28:26.440 Scientologists, and they don't go nearly as far as the woke cult. So, it's funny because, like,

01:28:32.140 I'm no fan of Scientology, but, you know, like, I don't care, man. What I see with Scientologists,

01:28:38.500 including people we've had on the show, on Timcast IRL, I'm just like, the only thing we had one

01:28:44.340 individual said, I really just don't want to talk about religion and my faith and what I believe.

01:28:48.040 And I said, okay, like, I'm not here to drag you over your personal beliefs and, like,

01:28:52.780 things that aren't relevant to the news commentary. And that was the end of it. But the woke people

01:28:56.500 are the opposite. They're, we must talk about it, and if you don't, you're a bigot, and if you

01:29:00.340 disagree with me, we'll, you know, Antifa will show up.

01:29:02.760 Right, and it's sad because it is against free speech. I mean, I saw the other day when I announced

01:29:06.620 my book, they were actually trying to cancel my book. They were, you know, emailing the publisher,

01:29:10.320 emailing Simon & Schuster and stuff, trying to cancel it. And I'm thinking, they're also doing this

01:29:13.960 with J.K. Rowling, with the Harry Potter books. Also, with the Roald Dahl's children books,

01:29:18.300 they're now being rewritten because they might be offensive. I mean, these are kids' books about,

01:29:22.720 you know, characters like the BFG, the Big Friendly Giant, James and the Giant Peach. These

01:29:26.640 are, like, really innocent kids' books. They're rewriting them because they're scared of censorship.

01:29:31.080 So we're seeing now books are being cancelled. It's almost like, you know, a modern-day book burning

01:29:35.800 or a Salem witch hunt that anyone that dares, like, J.K. Rowling dares question the narrative

01:29:40.460 is suddenly cancelled. And that's what I was getting just for announcing my book,

01:29:43.920 Detransition. They haven't even read the book. It's not even out. So how could they even know

01:29:47.720 what it's about? It's insane. I mean, Hogwarts Legacy is coming out. It came out. Have you played

01:29:52.900 it? No, I haven't. I mean, I love playing Fortnite, but I'll definitely play it. I always support J.K.

01:29:57.240 Rowling. So anything that she does, I'll support it. But I mean, what J.K. Rowling did for the UK is

01:30:02.040 tremendous. Yeah, she's probably one of the biggest philanthropists in the UK. She's donated

01:30:06.360 hundreds of millions for so many charities and people seem to forget that.

01:30:10.040 So not only that, but from a commercial aspect, she creates a cultural zeitgeist around Harry

01:30:18.120 Potter that hits an entire generation, centered, directed to the UK. So the US is famous for

01:30:25.140 exporting culture. Right. We make movies, we make video games, we make TV shows, and everyone

01:30:29.040 in the world wants to watch them. J.K. Rowling in the UK does that. And now all of a sudden,

01:30:33.000 everyone in the world wants a UK cultural product, which is great. I mean, Cy, I think, did it for Korea.

01:30:38.360 Yeah. Absolutely. Bringing that to the rest of the world with Gangnam Style. And

01:30:41.060 Napalbaji is my favorite song by him, by the way. You know Napalbaji? I didn't know that one. No,

01:30:45.420 I know Gangnam Style, Daddy, that one. Yeah. He has those big hits. Yeah. And I was surprised to hear

01:30:51.700 that his song, Napalbaji, wasn't bigger, because I think it's the best one that he's had released. But

01:30:55.800 you know, he brings that to the mainstream. J.K. Rowling generates tons of revenue,

01:30:59.580 cultural revenue, billions, centered in the UK. And when the movies are being made, which are

01:31:05.580 a multi-billion dollar franchise, she says, British actors only, which is tremendous for

01:31:11.420 the economy, for the culture. What she has done is so good. And they tried to destroy her life

01:31:18.500 because she said, and I'll paraphrase here, trans people are valid. We should respect the rights of

01:31:24.640 trans people. We should also respect the rights of women. And she said, only women can menstruate,

01:31:29.400 which is just a simple fact. Maybe Dylan Mulvaney will disagree, but you know, she is an incredible

01:31:34.820 free speech advocate and she is an absolute hero, but she's had her life torn apart. She's had trans

01:31:40.060 activists leak her address, send bomb packages to her home and stuff. And you think, why? Why? All

01:31:45.680 because she's expressing, she's just sticking up for women. She hasn't even said anything bad.

01:31:49.600 Right. You know, she's, she supports trans people. She supports LGBT. Again, it's a cult. If you do

01:31:55.100 not agree, you are a monster. So, you know, that's what detransitioners face every day.

01:32:00.000 There is a, oh yeah. It's crazy. There's a subreddit, a Reddit forum post, if you're not familiar,

01:32:05.660 a Reddit forum with tens of thousands of people telling detransition stories.

01:32:11.260 It's about 50,000, I believe.

01:32:12.780 50,000 right now.

01:32:13.540 Yeah.

01:32:14.240 50,000 people following that. Now, I don't know how many of those people were trans at some point,

01:32:18.800 but you can read the stories from these people. And on any given day, you can see a dozen

01:32:24.000 individuals talking about how their life was damaged by this. To go back to JK Rowling,

01:32:29.020 there was a, you're familiar with VTubers?

01:32:32.060 Yeah. I don't know what it means. I always get, someone says, oh, you're a VTuber. I was like,

01:32:35.680 what's that? A video?

01:32:36.760 Well, I think VTuber refers to, I could be wrong, but whenever I, whenever, whenever I hear referenced,

01:32:42.480 it's people who stream using AI anime characters as their avatars.

01:32:47.720 Oh, okay.

01:32:48.460 And when they speak, the character talks, so it looks like they're the character or whatever.

01:32:52.300 Oh, wow. Okay.

01:32:53.120 There's a video of some like young girl crying. I mean, maybe it's a 50 year old guy using a voice.

01:32:57.800 Well, I don't know.

01:32:58.240 Yeah.

01:32:58.540 But it's like the VTuber is, it's an anime character smiling, being like, I'm just so

01:33:03.440 miserable because they're destroying my life. Like, why would they? But it's, it's kind of eerie to see

01:33:07.700 this person.

01:33:08.440 Right.

01:33:09.300 Crying, but the VTube character is smiling and happy. And they said, basically, they did a Twitch stream

01:33:15.600 of Hogwarts Legacy. And for simply playing a fucking Harry Potter game, trans activists started

01:33:22.800 sending them death threats, harassed them relentlessly, insulted them, started downvoting

01:33:27.700 and disliking all their posts, genuinely trying to cause them mental anguish because they played

01:33:33.540 a Harry Potter video game.

01:33:36.180 Insane. I mean, it is insane. And you know, I've witnessed it firsthand. These people are very

01:33:41.000 crazy and they're very insane and they target people. And you know, if they're targeting kids

01:33:45.080 that are playing a video game, I mean, that's bullying, that's harassment. That could lead to more

01:33:49.460 suicides than, you know, people that say, oh, you must transition, otherwise you'll commit

01:33:52.800 suicide. That will lead to more suicide. You know, bullying people. We see cases of people

01:33:56.240 being bullied in schools. So, you know, these people are literally a cult and they're actually,

01:34:01.520 they're a hate group.

01:34:02.840 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:34:03.720 I would call them a hate group. I think they should be designated a hate group. Not all of

01:34:06.720 them, but the more extreme ones that send death threats and bully people online, they're

01:34:10.440 absolutely a hate group.

01:34:11.860 Agreed. And I think this is the challenge I have with the Matt Walsh being mean thing. As I said

01:34:16.900 earlier, I agree with him more than disagree, but I'm wondering if, you know, how do you

01:34:22.320 break people out of that cult? And I don't think it's a straightforward way to do it. You

01:34:28.180 can go to them and try and be nice, but if they're getting love bomb validation from the

01:34:32.140 cult, there's no way you're going to compete with that. So, you know, even being nice to

01:34:36.940 them, it's not going to work. It's going to just be, they're going to be like, look,

01:34:39.780 if everyone's being nice to me, I better not piss these people off.

01:34:43.360 Yeah, absolutely. Because, you know, if you think these are kids and most of their friends

01:34:46.180 might be in this cult, they might have the same ideology, so then they could lose everything.

01:34:50.840 They could lose their friends, the attention, the validation, everything. But, you know,

01:34:54.660 the more we see teenagers being brave and sharing their stories on their transition regret, the

01:34:59.240 more we see people speaking up and educating people about this, I think that's going to

01:35:02.400 change the narrative.

01:35:03.520 When you detransitioned or announced, did you see a decline in viewership and likes on your

01:35:09.380 social media?

01:35:09.780 Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, you know, I started talking about it on TikTok and some of my videos

01:35:13.220 were suspended and banned. So, I actually, you know, on TikTok, I don't do anything political

01:35:17.660 because I always get targeted. I mean, listen to this. Dylan Mulvaney, I can't even search

01:35:22.460 Dylan Mulvaney. They have gone to TikTok personally. They have banned me from even being able to

01:35:27.100 search their name because if I search their name, it doesn't come up with anyone else's

01:35:30.380 videos posting about them. I cannot get access. So, Dylan has clearly banned me. So, you know,

01:35:35.160 TikTok...

01:35:36.220 I don't know if... So, I don't know if Dylan did it personally. I think TikTok did it because

01:35:42.020 we're... I'm banned. I've been... I think I've been banned twice from TikTok.

01:35:45.240 I've been banned seven times. I always get it back. But the thing is...

01:35:47.860 They give me mine back.

01:35:48.420 The thing is with TikTok, like, if you speak about certain issues like detransitioning,

01:35:52.160 your views go way down. You know, you're almost shadow banned. All your views get taken off

01:35:56.000 because you're, you know, hate speech or harassment and bullying.

01:35:58.440 Well, it's a Chinese company that's trying to destroy America.

01:36:00.960 Exactly.

01:36:01.220 So, I should say the West. In China on TikTok, they're getting math videos and science video.

01:36:06.020 Educational. You know, you see strong alpha males and strong females. And, you know, here you've

01:36:10.680 got Dylan Mulvaney running around with a tampon, you know, screaming...

01:36:13.480 Wearing high heels in the woods.

01:36:14.720 I know. Talking about his Barbie pouch. And you just think, I got the pronoun wrong. It's

01:36:19.520 so difficult. I get so confused these days. But I would always respect someone like Nikita

01:36:24.240 Dragon or someone. I would always respect them, Blair White as well. But like you said, with

01:36:27.640 Dylan Mulvaney, it's clear they're just doing it to mock people. And it's very lucrative.

01:36:31.220 I mean, you know, even sat next to Biden.

01:36:33.520 When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins

01:36:40.600 Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really

01:36:45.320 care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying

01:36:53.440 that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care.

01:36:59.400 Care. Did I mention that we care?

01:37:01.700 We care.

01:37:02.300 We care.

01:37:02.780 We care.

01:37:03.780 We care.

01:37:04.780 Jackpot City is the home of all things casino. There's just one house rule to create the

01:37:09.240 perfect online casino for you. We've built a world-class lineup of classic casino games

01:37:13.720 such as roulette and blackjack and crafted a virtual range of the best slots, including

01:37:17.700 Atlantean treasures. Everything's online. Everything's ready. Everything's for you. So whenever you're

01:37:22.320 feeling playful, head to Jackpot City and you'll be endlessly entertained. Jackpot City, casino

01:37:27.340 games perfectly made for you.

01:37:29.020 Must be 19 plus. Ontario residents only. Please play responsibly. Gambling problem? Visit

01:37:32.840 connectsontario.ca.

01:37:35.240 Not that he'll remember.

01:37:36.380 I'm wondering how much of what we're seeing is foreign influence like TikTok, right? So

01:37:41.520 we, Timcast IRL used to be on TikTok and then one day they abruptly banned us and didn't

01:37:46.740 tell us why. We got banned once because we, I think it was the Fresh and Fit podcast guys.

01:37:51.980 They were, they were talking about women or whatever. I don't think it was that like YouTube

01:37:55.040 didn't give a shit, but TikTok took us down. And then after a while they let us back on.

01:38:00.560 And then one day they just banned us and said, nope, you're gone forever. And we were like,

01:38:04.540 okay, I have no idea why. I think, you know, I have no, I have no factual basis. I have my

01:38:11.420 assumptions and opinions and hypotheses. And I think TikTok removed us because we have

01:38:15.980 conversations like this.

01:38:17.640 Exactly. They don't ever show conversations like this. If you speak openly and honestly

01:38:21.180 and question a narrative, you are suspended. And that's why, again, when I talked about

01:38:25.600 detransitioning and stuff, my videos get taken down. You don't find videos about detransitioning

01:38:30.240 on TikTok because they're either shadow banned or taken down. So they're silencing that conversation.

01:38:35.040 And that's dangerous because that's not, not freedom of speech, right? If they're promoting

01:38:38.820 Dylan Mulvaney, getting millions of views, but you're not showing the other side of the story,

01:38:42.080 you know, you're promoting this happy ideal that all trans people are happy and all trans

01:38:46.580 people become famous and make money and stuff. It's so the end result is going to be a kid

01:38:50.920 goes online and here's how great it is to be trans and nothing else. They don't hear the horror

01:38:56.140 stories. Have you read some of the stories on the detransition Reddit? I don't have a Reddit,

01:39:01.080 but I've spoken to a lot of detransitioners personally, you know, we speak and I'm on like

01:39:05.000 Telegram and stuff. We speak and there are horror stories, how they were in a very vulnerable

01:39:09.380 mental health situation as a teenager. And they were told this is the only solution,

01:39:14.980 you know, this is, and the parents are told your child's going to commit suicide if you don't do

01:39:18.180 this. And because they're in such a bad mental health state, you know, the parents sometimes

01:39:21.700 go along with it, um, to try and make their kid happy, you know, to save their life. And then a few

01:39:26.360 years down the line, they are so unhappy because the hormones, they have a real effect on the body and

01:39:30.720 the mind, you know, it really does change everything. So, you know, and then there's a lot complaining

01:39:35.340 about health problems and it's traumatic. And then when you see the kind of double mastectomy scars,

01:39:39.240 and you think that's, that's awful to do that to someone so young.

01:39:42.960 And there's, I mean, there's, there's constant complications for these surgeries.

01:39:46.460 The, uh, man, I was reading some of these detransition stories and it is,

01:39:51.820 I can read a horror novel and not flinch. I can watch a scary movie, a quote unquote scary movie

01:39:56.940 and be like, that was pretty good. I read these stories and I was near vomiting.

01:40:02.100 I mean, I can't even read or look at some of the things they say sometimes because it is shocking,

01:40:06.640 the amount of health complications and the scarring and the mental health and you think it's, it's,

01:40:12.200 it's a horror show. It's like a butcher shop, but we are praising this in society that this is okay.

01:40:17.380 The scariest component isn't the complications to me. It is one, one example is I read a story and

01:40:24.460 there's a lot of these stories where it was a male detransitioned who said, I was in the hospital,

01:40:31.120 in the gown, on the bed, about to be brought into surgery. And I said with my family around me,

01:40:37.180 this doesn't feel right. I don't think I should do this. And they said, no, you're brave.

01:40:43.340 Everyone gets scared. Just do it. And then they were pressured into it by loved ones who were

01:40:49.320 cheering them on, telling them how brave they were. And they went on to say that now due to the

01:40:54.580 complications, they can't walk, they can't run because they have a gaping wound between their legs

01:40:58.940 that causes them immense pain, infections, smells, and they lay in, they just lie in bed,

01:41:05.080 not moving anymore. And I'm just like, that's horrifying. The horror story to me. And that is

01:41:09.740 the people surrounding you saying, do it, do it. And you're like, okay, I guess, you know,

01:41:14.120 and sometimes these people think they have the best intentions again, like a cult, they think

01:41:18.300 they're doing the right thing. You know, they think they're helping this child. But yeah, when you have

01:41:21.580 cases like that, when a kid doesn't really want to do it, but everyone else around them is pressuring them.

01:41:26.320 You must do this. This is what you need to do. That is an awful feeling. And you know,

01:41:29.820 most young people succumb to peer pressure. You know, if a group of people tell you to jump off

01:41:33.660 a cliff, you know, if enough people say it, people would do it right. So they succumb to this pressure

01:41:37.980 and stuff. And it's the same in a clinic, you know, enough people say, chop off your penis,

01:41:41.500 you're going to be a girl. They'll do it without realizing the long term health consequences.

01:41:45.700 And it is a horror story.

01:41:48.060 I have heard three stories from close friends. One was last night was on Timcast IRL. Josie,

01:41:54.360 who she works at Timcast. She said that she was in Massachusetts. And one day her nine year old

01:42:00.740 daughter came out to her as a lesbian. And she went, okay, you are attracted to girls. And her

01:42:06.680 daughter was like, no. And she goes, okay, well, that's what lesbian means. And her daughter didn't

01:42:11.020 know. And she said that she got an email from the school referring to her daughter as a they.

01:42:15.460 And it confused her because she was like, she thought it was referring to multiple people. And then

01:42:18.620 she realized it was using the singular they. And so what she found out was at the school,

01:42:24.000 her daughter is like sports. She likes sports, tomboyish. And so they decided because she was

01:42:30.380 acting boyish, because apparently that determines biology to these people. She was a lesbian or trans

01:42:38.000 without this nine year old girl understanding what any of that meant. Right. They told her she was,

01:42:44.220 and she said, okay. Of course, kids go along with it. If an adult in authority, like a teacher

01:42:49.040 tells them something, it must be right. And that's a great example. They don't even know

01:42:53.160 what they're identifying as. Do you think any of this is related to like a depopulation agenda?

01:42:58.260 Yeah, I have thought about that, because it certainly stops people, you know, procreating and

01:43:02.520 having babies certainly doesn't. We saw a poll released the other day, 7.5% in the US now identifies

01:43:09.620 LGBT. That has gone up from about 1.5% a couple of decades ago. So I certainly would agree with

01:43:15.580 that. I think Gen Z is like 30%. Right, right. So you know, Gen Z aren't having babies anymore.

01:43:20.720 They're not interested in that. They're so confused and preoccupied with their gender identity.

01:43:24.700 They haven't even got time to, you know, find a husband or a wife or whatever. I definitely think

01:43:29.340 that is an agenda. You know, maybe Bill Gates is behind it. It wouldn't surprise me.

01:43:33.400 I can hear Luke Rutkowski cheering in the distance all the way from Florida. I mean,

01:43:38.360 I always put it this way. I don't know if there's a depopulation agenda. I know there's an agenda to

01:43:45.660 limit population growth. So you can extrapolate that into a depopulation agenda. Bill Gates has

01:43:52.260 explicitly stated on numerous occasions, we need to slow population growth because the planet can't

01:43:57.280 sustain it. It's the Malthusian ideology of, you know, the population bomb. So I don't know if

01:44:03.340 the true intent from everyone is to depopulate. I don't think it is. Maybe for some people.

01:44:08.080 But you take a look at the abortion argument. You take a look at the rapid expansion of sterilizing

01:44:11.960 kids. And euthanasia in Canada as well. And euthanasia. But also, you have young virgins.

01:44:19.300 Like another big story is that a lot of millennials are not in relationships. So outside of trans,

01:44:25.580 outside of abortions, outside of euthanasia, we have this tremendous rise in men under the age of 29 who

01:44:32.760 are virgins and don't have relationships.

01:44:35.360 And they don't know how to because everything's online these days. Everything's on apps and online.

01:44:38.980 And people also don't know how to communicate with each other. Especially with the pandemic.

01:44:43.100 People just are used to being on social media and stuff. So they don't know how to approach

01:44:47.140 someone face to face and like have a date.

01:44:49.080 Look at these videos. There's like this video of this fat leftist woman at a college. And she's just

01:44:54.460 screaming in the guise for the one with the glasses. I've seen her. Yeah.

01:44:59.240 Yeah. And then there's the woman. There's Trigglypuff.

01:45:02.060 No wonder they're virgins.

01:45:02.980 Oh my God.

01:45:04.340 They don't know how to communicate.

01:45:06.140 No.

01:45:06.660 And they don't know how to effectively advance their positions. Except for temper tantrums.

01:45:12.400 Which, it works, man.

01:45:15.540 Well, it does. Because I mean, you look at companies like the New York Times is now backing

01:45:19.140 down and almost saying sorry. And you think, have a backbone. Come on, guys. And they're backing

01:45:24.320 down all because, you know, a few trans activists are screaming online and stuff. And you think,

01:45:28.900 you know, that's wrong. And these people don't know how to communicate. And they think the

01:45:32.420 only way to get their way is scream at people, shout at people. When you go to a women's

01:45:36.740 protest, women are speaking up for their rights for a drag story hour protest. The trans activists

01:45:40.820 are screaming. They're spitting. They're throwing things. They're really like angry. And you

01:45:44.680 think the women are just there speaking very softly. The parents are speaking softly. And you

01:45:49.100 think, why so much anger? Why so much division? Can't you just have a conversation?

01:45:52.980 Well, I think you'll see with a lot of these people in the culture war, in the cult, they're

01:45:59.360 unhappy. They can't figure out why they're unhappy. And they think the only path to happiness

01:46:03.880 is chasing this dragon, which doesn't do anything for them, like you were saying, with

01:46:07.180 surgery and all that stuff. It's not helping them. And so, you know what I think would make

01:46:12.620 them happy? Exercise. Cutting out the sugars.

01:46:16.540 Less social media as well.

01:46:17.820 Social media. Yeah. It's a nightmarish thing. I have to talk about if you take a, if you

01:46:22.960 take a look at any YouTuber, there is typically a correlation with a depressive episode and

01:46:29.680 a drop in viewership.

01:46:31.320 Yeah. So you notice they almost have a meltdown and a manic episode. Gabby, Hannah, that kind

01:46:36.100 of thing.

01:46:37.020 Right, right. You'll see a video pop up randomly and it'll be like some YouTuber going, I just

01:46:42.500 can't do this anymore. It's so hard. And then you're like, hey, if I look back at their

01:46:46.800 past week of videos, their viewership is down 20%.

01:46:49.740 Yeah. I think that's causing a lot of mental health issues. You know, I suddenly felt it

01:46:53.560 when I was in my Korean phase and stuff. You always want that validation. You always do.

01:46:57.420 And sometimes you do crazy things because you, you know, Generation Z and stuff, they're used

01:47:01.520 to validation. If you don't get it, you must be a failure. You must be a bad person. You

01:47:05.460 must be ugly. So we're constantly seeking other people's approval. And that's a great

01:47:09.460 example with the YouTube. And, you know, a lot of these young people, they don't know how

01:47:12.700 to communicate. They don't know how to express themselves. So they spend all day on social

01:47:16.720 media and then they're screaming and almost putting on their frustration on other people.

01:47:20.980 A lot of these people are unhappy inside the way they look, the way they feel. So they

01:47:24.420 take out that anger on other people. I mean, I look at the trolls that troll me on Twitter.

01:47:28.320 I look at their profile picture and I think, okay, that's why they're a troll. You know,

01:47:30.880 it makes sense now because clearly they're unhappy with themselves, you know, with their

01:47:33.840 10 different pronouns and all the different flags. You know, so I can understand that, but

01:47:38.340 I think a lot of it is self-hatred. You know, they're unhappy.

01:47:41.040 Absolutely. People need to discover themselves. Like you were saying, figure out who you are.

01:47:45.960 Maybe don't do it as extreme as I did, but yeah.

01:47:48.520 But I mean, like you came to that point where you said you figured out who the real you,

01:47:51.920 you figured out who you were.

01:47:54.040 Yeah. I just regret doing, you know, going so far and stuff and, you know, kind of mutilating

01:47:59.160 my face and stuff. But, you know, at the end of the day, you can't regret things in life.

01:48:02.300 You live and learn. But my message is to try and warn other people, you know, just try to find

01:48:06.080 happiness from within.

01:48:06.860 And I think for a lot of these people who are involved in either like music or media

01:48:11.200 or any kind of social media space, you need to understand very few people, if, if, you

01:48:18.160 know, any, like very few people, let's put it that way, sustain a public presence for

01:48:23.040 a long time. Musicians, celebrities, actors, you know, here, here's, here's a Brandon

01:48:29.940 Ruth. I'll shout him out. He's a, he was, he was Superman.

01:48:34.880 Okay.

01:48:35.360 Yeah. He was Superman in Superman Returns. I think that's the name of the movie. So here's

01:48:38.520 a guy who was like, wow, movie star. He alongside Kevin Spacey. And then he is in Scott Pilgrim.

01:48:45.060 Now he's on the CW. Now he's doing DC. He's not a big movie star anymore. I don't know. I'm

01:48:50.880 not trying to, I think he's a great actor. I'm not trying to rag on the guy, but going

01:48:53.760 from the lead in a Superman film to being, uh, on a CW superhero show, I mean this with

01:49:01.460 all due respect, like you don't always stay in on the top. You eventually you come down.

01:49:07.200 And so for these people who get depressed when they're not getting views anymore, they

01:49:09.940 have episodes where they, they try to figure out how to recapture that. But it's like, maybe

01:49:14.000 you're just out of it. Maybe you're just not part of anymore. It's fine. It's okay. I imagine

01:49:18.900 it'll happen to me at some point and you know, I'll do like I said a million times, get

01:49:21.960 my van and go live down by the river and then finally get to relax.

01:49:25.680 Right. Exactly. Yeah. And I think a lot of people have that, you know, because we're

01:49:28.940 constantly seeking attention online as with celebrities and Hollywood and stuff. They

01:49:33.780 always want to stay relevant. So when someone is irrelevant, they kind of do more desperate

01:49:37.260 and shocking things. You know, you might see a woman that was once famous now suddenly

01:49:40.580 taken in clothes off, walking down the street in bikini for a paparazzi shoot just to stay

01:49:45.000 in the headlines, you know, Britney Spears, Britney Spears, you know, yeah.

01:49:48.900 I think Britney Spears is quite a sad case. I think she's, you can see she's kind of

01:49:52.080 suffering with some kind of manic episodes and stuff. But yeah, we, we see that all

01:49:56.020 the time. I mean, look at Madonna, you know, the shocking outfits, the sexual things you

01:49:59.580 think, she's like nearly 80, no? 65?

01:50:01.860 She's 60 something. And it's just like, just be 60.

01:50:04.240 Exactly. Just be happy.

01:50:05.340 You were 20, you were 30, you were 40, you lived this life, you experienced what I had to

01:50:09.460 offer. Now be who you are. I see this with a lot of child actors and actresses. And I

01:50:15.920 think it's fairly, it's fairly obvious to me what's going on. You had that story of

01:50:19.480 like Lindsay Lohan throwing a bong out a window or something like that.

01:50:22.260 Amanda Bynes, wasn't it?

01:50:23.480 It was Amanda Bynes.

01:50:24.040 Amanda Bynes, yeah.

01:50:24.820 Who was, was Amanda Bynes the one who set the fire in the driveway as well?

01:50:27.840 Yes, that was the one. So she had a schizophrenia and she had a meltdown and stuff. And then

01:50:31.820 she had all this erratic behavior with the wigs and stuff. And if you remember, yeah.

01:50:34.880 What I think a lot of it is, you're a little kid and everyone in the world tells you you're

01:50:40.720 the best and they love you. You're famous. You grow up and you're feeling that level of

01:50:47.220 notoriety and that level of dopamine. Everyone in the world cheering you on. Now you're 15.

01:50:56.300 Half the people in the world starts feeling painful. You have this career, you win awards,

01:51:01.620 you're on stage. Now you're 20 years old. You're not getting any shows anymore. No one knows who

01:51:07.240 you are. It's got to be very, very confusing to have developed your brain and mind in a world where

01:51:13.460 everyone knew you. You go to the grocery store. Hey, you're so-and-so. You're cool. Thank you so

01:51:17.580 much. Now you're 20 and you walk in and you're like, hi. And they go, who are you? It's got to feel

01:51:22.280 like something's being ripped out of you. And that probably, that in my opinion, leads to people

01:51:26.400 throwing bongs out windows or stripping on Instagram or getting crazy surgeries,

01:51:32.660 Shia LaBeouf acting out. I think these child actors and actresses, not just actors and actresses,

01:51:38.820 but people who are in the limelight at a very young age. This is why I think Jazz Jennings is,

01:51:43.880 and I try to be careful when I say this. I am very concerned with the well-being of Jazz Jennings

01:51:48.140 because Jazz Jennings is, in my opinion, probably not trans. I believe that Jazz's parents pressured Jazz

01:51:56.080 into being trans because a three-year-old, in my opinion, cannot know what gender or identity is.

01:52:00.140 Absolutely, yeah.

01:52:01.340 When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins

01:52:07.620 Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you.

01:52:15.340 Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part.

01:52:21.080 Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care.

01:52:27.300 Did I mention that we care?

01:52:31.420 Jackpot City is the home of all things casino. We've built a world-class lineup of classic casino

01:52:36.720 games such as roulette and blackjack and crafted a virtual range of the best slots,

01:52:41.060 including Atlantean treasures. Everything's online. Everything's ready. Everything's for you.

01:52:45.760 So whenever you're feeling playful, head to Jackpot City and you'll be endlessly entertained.

01:52:50.400 Jackpot City. Casino games perfectly made for you. Proud partner of the Toronto Raptors.

01:52:55.560 Must be 19 plus. Ontario residents only. Please play responsibly. Gambling problem? Visit

01:52:59.660 connexontario.ca.

01:53:00.860 But now you have to factor in, jazz is a celebrity trans person. And you look at jazz now morbidly obese,

01:53:10.460 overeating, you know, ended up not going to college. I don't know if jazz went afterwards, but was

01:53:15.740 supposed to go to Harvard. I think it was Harvard and then didn't. Started eating tons of food and

01:53:20.040 getting fatter and fatter. And I think what's going to happen is when this TV show, I Am Jazz, ends,

01:53:26.320 you are going to have a combination of the gender issue along with the child star breakdown,

01:53:34.800 which results in self-harm.

01:53:36.880 Which happens with so many child actors. We see it all the time. They turn to, you know,

01:53:41.060 substance abuse. They have mental health breakdowns. We saw, you know, years ago,

01:53:45.120 Misha Barton, Lindsay Lohan. We've seen it all, you know, and it repeats itself all the time with

01:53:48.800 these child stars. And it's very sad to see, but I think that for them is almost a coping mechanism.

01:53:53.520 They lose all the limelight. They lose all that positivity, positivity, the validation,

01:53:58.740 all comes crashing down one day. And they struggle to accept that. You know, mentally,

01:54:02.940 it must be very, very difficult to accept that. So that's why we see like, you know,

01:54:06.200 Jazz Jennings must be very unhappy and, you know, they're maybe resorting to eating or other things

01:54:10.240 and stuff to try and deal with that.

01:54:11.880 Trigger and dopamine.

01:54:12.100 And like you said, they'll probably likely have a big mental health breakdown like Amanda Bynes

01:54:17.100 sadly did. And she hasn't recovered, unfortunately.

01:54:20.200 I think Jazz is currently undergoing a mental health breakdown. And that's why Jazz gained so much

01:54:25.620 weight. But with the TV cameras surrounding Jazz and the political ideology, they will not let it go

01:54:32.520 publicly sour.

01:54:33.780 No.

01:54:34.060 I mean, it would, it's, this, that could be a major cultural reckoning if something bad happened

01:54:41.140 to Jazz. And so the story was, Jazz was three years old. Jazz's mom said that Jazz was getting

01:54:50.680 made fun of for being girly. At seven, I guess they socially transitioned Jazz from a boy to a girl,

01:54:57.480 put Jazz on hormone blockers and other hormones. Jazz did not develop genitals because of the

01:55:05.680 hormone blockers. So at 17, as a minor, went in for what they call bottom surgery. I would say

01:55:13.120 it's genital mutilation. And this resulted in, I believe, three botched surgeries. And again, I say

01:55:20.120 this with the utmost hope that Jazz lives a full and healthy life to the best of their ability. And I

01:55:25.640 want the best of them. I don't want harm to come to these individuals. My concern is you've got a

01:55:30.180 political cult ideology surrounding this individual. I think what happens is Jazz undergoes these multiple

01:55:36.300 painful surgeries. Then when it comes time to go to college, it hurts too much. Like the stories we've

01:55:42.740 read online, Jazz doesn't go to school, starts eating to cope instead. The family said Jazz can't

01:55:48.900 be alone right now. And that's indicative of potential self-harm.

01:55:53.320 Yeah. And again, when trans activists try to use the argument, if you don't medically transition a

01:55:57.640 kid, that's going to cause self-harm or suicide. But why don't we look at the opposite? Like the

01:56:02.320 case of Jazz Jennings and other people that have all these health complications. They struggle. They

01:56:06.620 can't even walk. They can't even go to the toilet. You know, some of them become incontinent. And you

01:56:10.840 think that's actually worse. That's going to make them much more depressed, much more prone to

01:56:15.140 other issues and stuff. So we're actually making the problem worse.

01:56:18.060 Do you see that there's a viral video of a trans woman crying about the painful dilation and,

01:56:22.600 you know, referring to it as a wound, but then says, I don't regret it one bit.

01:56:27.460 I didn't see that, but that's no.

01:56:29.040 I think it was on libs of TikTok. It's just, it's just crazy that it's like

01:56:31.800 these people are in a position where they have to claim everything's good or else.

01:56:37.280 And I think one of the, one of the stories about Jazz that I think is revealing is that

01:56:42.580 at like 10 or 12, Jazz was saying that they liked boys, that Jazz was actually a girl and

01:56:49.280 actually attracted to boys. And that explains it. And then after about 13 or 14, Jazz came

01:56:53.140 out saying, no, actually I'm pansexual. What that says to me is Jazz probably started having

01:56:58.380 feelings for women because Jazz is biologically male, taking hormones and then being like, hmm,

01:57:04.180 but what can you do if you come out now and say, actually, I was wrong. I never liked guys.

01:57:07.620 I only like girls. Well, you've got a problem there that, that breaks the narrative.

01:57:11.720 Now, I guess Jazz is, was, was at the time dating a guy or something, but when you're,

01:57:16.280 when you're a young kid, like you don't really know. And so I kind of feel like we may come to

01:57:20.180 the point where the political cult may not let a story like that come out if it is the case,

01:57:26.040 but there is a strong possibility in my opinion that Jazz ends up going the other direction.

01:57:30.840 And I'm hoping it results in, if it is the case, a detransition into a healthier,

01:57:36.560 happier life. My concern is self-harm.

01:57:38.720 Yeah. And I think many people do turn to self-harm because there's no help. There's

01:57:43.340 no support because like I said, with these gender clinics, once you're out of the hospital,

01:57:46.960 they don't care. They don't check on you. The Missouri clinic, they weren't checking

01:57:50.060 long-term data one year's time to see how those hormones were affecting that person.

01:57:54.180 And these hormones cause a lot of issues, you know, health problems. They can also cause weight

01:57:58.220 gain as well. Right.

01:57:59.420 You know, they can cause problems going to the restroom. It's like,

01:58:02.400 I read that a testosterone makes, gives you euphoria and that these young girls are being

01:58:08.220 put on testosterone and then feeling testosterone euphoria. And so that's affirming them. And it's

01:58:14.920 like, it's making it worse because then they, they, you have the social problem combined with

01:58:19.820 the chemical reaction. Yeah. Yeah. You look, drugs can make you feel good, but it's not a good thing.

01:58:24.900 And also it's a temporary fix, you know, having these hormones and stuff,

01:58:27.740 the dopamine rush is temporary, right? You know, that moment you transition, start taking these

01:58:32.160 things. Oh, you feel great at the time and stuff. But the moment you come off them, you realize what

01:58:36.860 have I done to myself? And then it's already affected your brain. It's already affected your

01:58:40.280 body. I mean, when, when kids take hormones, it changes their entire body. So a girl will develop

01:58:44.940 different muscle mass. Uh, you know, their body will change completely. They'll even develop an

01:58:49.420 Adam's apple and stuff. And that can't be good for a kid. And most of these hormones were

01:58:53.520 originally treated to, um, used to treat cancers. You know, years ago, these were,

01:58:57.740 used to treat cancers and now they're being used to treat kids transitioning and there's

01:59:01.420 no long-term data. So you're, you're a British isn't right. Uh, so you're not going to be

01:59:05.940 voting or anything, but what do you think for 2024 Trump? Um, yeah. So I think, I mean,

01:59:10.700 I mean, definitely not Biden. I think, yeah, even Trump or I really liked DeSantis as well.

01:59:14.580 Like I do like, um, you know, I think Trump offers solutions and the fact that he was the

01:59:18.620 only one to go to East Palestine and give people hope, you know, he's a politician that

01:59:23.120 actually cares about people. Um, and you know, I would like to get involved in, um,

01:59:27.620 Trump's campaign. I know a lot of his team and stuff, I know DeSantis' team and stuff like to

01:59:31.160 try and help with this particular issue of agenda, um, and with kids because, you know,

01:59:35.920 there are a lot of States now waking up Tennessee, Mississippi, Missouri that are passing laws to

01:59:40.740 stop these things on children. And, you know, and people get called transphobic and stuff.

01:59:44.900 And I want to help change that narrative because it's not, it's trying to do what's best for kids

01:59:48.520 and what's best for parents. Like I said, I support people if they want to be trans as an

01:59:52.320 adult, that's truly how they felt their whole life, but we shouldn't be putting anything on

01:59:55.960 kids. So, you know, I think it's going to be Trump or DeSantis for 2024.

01:59:59.880 I agree. I mean, I've been leaning towards Trump because of East Palestine. I guess the last thing

02:00:04.040 I would say on the, if you want to be trans as an adult is I don't think kids should get sex

02:00:09.520 changes. Um, there is some minor leeway I would give for 16 to 17 year olds that doesn't involve

02:00:16.160 surgeries, uh, potentially, but probably very, very, very, very, very minimal case by case

02:00:22.980 basis, extreme case by case circumstances. Cause I'm not sure that what they're doing helps anyway,

02:00:27.660 but I don't want to be an absolutist. Right. So, but I would say even as an, for, for the issue as

02:00:32.420 adults, there's still the question of if you're an 18 year old male, you decide to get surgery and

02:00:38.100 hormones to be female. What does that mean for female only spaces? And we're not just talking about

02:00:42.780 rights of an individual. We're talking about the rights of all people. We, we don't, we don't live

02:00:47.220 in a vacuum where your rights supersede the rights of everybody else. If females want a space for

02:00:53.020 females, why would that be taken away from them? Because one person decides, right? That's the

02:00:58.420 challenge. Yeah. And that's what we're seeing because women are about 50% of the population in

02:01:02.040 most countries. So, so why should we have, you know, less than 1% of the population telling women what

02:01:06.360 they can and can't do, you know, trans women are women. So no, exactly. But it doesn't help the

02:01:11.100 trans community when they try to push these things on women and push these things on kids

02:01:14.800 because it actually turns people against them. So, you know, I think these trans activists that

02:01:19.000 lobby for men to put on the wig and suddenly identify and then go into women's toilet, they

02:01:23.780 are causing actual harm to real trans people that might've been trans for 30 years and they

02:01:27.980 now can't live their life because based on the actions of these people. And, you know, when

02:01:31.940 you try to take away the rights of, you know, 50% of the population, it's never going to end

02:01:35.540 well. And, you know, we all need to stick up for women. You know, people like JK Rowling,

02:01:38.820 I think she's a hero for women. Yeah. Uh, well, I guess we can wrap it up because we

02:01:42.840 kind of beat every subject we possibly could to death. Uh, even got you to even asked you

02:01:47.440 about Trump and DeSantis. So is there anything you want to shout out or mention anything that

02:01:50.940 we didn't get to or something you want to promote? Um, you know, just everyone listening

02:01:54.120 and watching this and stuff, we need to obviously always be conscious about how people identify

02:01:58.640 and feel and stuff, but we should always kind of speak up for vulnerable people. So we all

02:02:03.360 have a duty in society to speak up for children and also to help parents, you know, because

02:02:07.840 it's a difficult time for a teenager growing up. They all identify in different ways.

02:02:11.600 They might be struggling with their sexuality, but medically transitioning kids is not the

02:02:15.360 solution. So we all need to speak up, um, and use our voices for that. And, um, I do have

02:02:19.840 my new book, which is on pre-order on Amazon, Barnes and Noble and Simon & Schuster. Now

02:02:24.000 the transition a memoir, which details all these issues. It details also how you can overcome

02:02:28.880 your own struggles with self-confidence, with identity, how you can overcome that and become

02:02:33.140 a better person and use your voice to, to help, um, the wider community. So yeah, I would just

02:02:37.680 kind of say that right on. Thanks for hanging out. This has been a blast. And for everybody

02:02:41.260 who listened to the first episode of whatever this ends up being, the culture war with Tim

02:02:45.080 Poole, we're going to be setting up the social media. We're going to be posting clips. So

02:02:48.860 my ethos, as most of you know, is just start doing it. And I do things because I feel passionate

02:02:55.560 about them and I enjoy doing them. So maybe this won't be the biggest show we do, but it was

02:02:59.560 fun. Uh, it's, it's good to have these more open cultural conversations outside of the

02:03:03.180 context of immediate news stories. We're going to be setting up the social media platforms,

02:03:06.980 Instagram. We'll probably set up a TikTok and cross our fingers. We'll last longer than a

02:03:10.760 week. But other than that, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, become a

02:03:15.660 member at TimCast.com. Go to TimCast.com, click join us. And we're also working out how

02:03:20.720 to do the members only component of this show and what that could look like and what we could

02:03:23.980 provide for you. Maybe includes a clever idea from Ian in which we could do an after

02:03:29.220 show call in with some questions, which would be really fun, but we'll figure it out.

02:03:32.600 So, uh, all that being said, thank you all so much for checking out this episode, episode

02:03:37.720 number one, more to come next week's guest is going to be awesome. I'm really excited for

02:03:41.200 this. Uh, I don't know if we're going to be announcing guests in advance, but maybe,

02:03:44.640 maybe, but thanks for hanging out. Thanks for making this possible. And we'll see you all

02:03:48.540 next time.

02:03:59.220 Jackpot City is the home of all things casino. We've built a world-class lineup of classic

02:04:05.200 casino games such as roulette and blackjack and crafted a virtual range of the best slots,

02:04:09.860 including Atlantean treasures. Everything's online. Everything's ready. Everything's for

02:04:14.120 you. So whenever you're feeling playful, head to Jackpot City and you'll be endlessly

02:04:18.220 entertained. Jackpot City, casino games perfectly made for you. Proud partner of the Toronto Raptors.

02:04:24.220 Must be 19 plus. Ontario residents only. Please play responsibly. Gambling problem?

02:04:28.300 Visit connexontario.ca

The Culture War - Tim Pool - February 24, 2023

The Culture War #1 - Oli London, Author Of Detransition

Episode Stats

Length

Words per Minute

Word Count

Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

Summary

Transcript