The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #10 - GPrime85 Discusses Anime And His new Comic With Razorfist

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00:00:58.140 Oh, are we recording? Oh, I didn't notice because I was too busy enjoying this Jeremy's Chocolate

00:01:10.920 She-Her candy bar with only four ingredients and 260 calories per bar. It's actually some

00:01:16.540 of the best chocolate I've ever had. Would you like some? Yes. Yes, Tim Pool. I would love some.

00:01:21.680 It's gone. They are not paying me to do that. You just let it go. We're hanging out with George

00:01:28.480 Alexopoulos. He's an artist. Allegedly, yeah. You want to pull that mic in a little bit? Yeah.

00:01:34.060 Now I have to finish eating this chocolate before we can start. As you're talking, I'll...

00:01:39.860 Hey, who are you? What are you doing? Oh, did we cancel the... We're starting over? No, this is it.

00:01:44.460 Oh, this is so professional. This is the show. Hi, I'm George. I'm also G Prime on Twitter

00:01:49.560 and Instagram and I draw things sometimes for money.

00:01:53.760 This guy's expecting like a serious... Hello and welcome to the culture war.

00:01:59.780 Charlie Rose. I am Tim Pool.

00:02:00.960 I'm Charlie Rose. No, I've seen your show. It's good. I like the informality. I prefer it.

00:02:05.160 Oh, this show? Yeah.

00:02:07.240 So G Prime 85, we got pictures of yours on the wall. We should probably do updated ones,

00:02:11.660 but the Joe Biden electrocuting and massacring 200 million people is a personal favorite of mine.

00:02:19.260 Classic. Yeah, it's a good one. And then we do have the other one. I think it's upstairs

00:02:22.500 where it's Trump being lowered into the giant bodysuit. Yes.

00:02:26.000 Which is also very fantastic. So, but yeah, but you've been making this political art

00:02:31.000 and you recently launched a... What platform are you using? Gives and Go or no?

00:02:36.940 Indiegogo. Indiegogo. Yeah.

00:02:38.480 And you made the... What's the word? Moronic mistake of using Patreon.

00:02:45.960 We knew that they were going to cancel me at some point. I guess I'll start with one at a time

00:02:52.160 just to clarify. The Indiegogo is not mine technically. I'm running the campaign,

00:02:55.980 but the actual book is by a gentleman named Razor Fist on YouTube.

00:03:00.940 Oh yeah, right on. It's written by him. He's the creator. He owns the thing. I'm just illustrating

00:03:05.900 it and running the campaign because I've run other campaigns on Indiegogo.

00:03:08.780 So you're making Razor Fist rich.

00:03:12.620 Well, I won't... I won't talk about the actual day. I apologize.

00:03:16.680 We're both very pleased with the deal and I can't wait to make the book. So I'll be printing

00:03:20.980 and we'll be doing fulfillment. I'll be doing a fulfillment from my headquarters.

00:03:25.860 So I think you're... I think the importance of the work you do, especially you have like

00:03:31.360 a kid's book chilling right here is you make art. Art is culture and you're actually one

00:03:36.100 of the most successful, like whether you want to be or not, I suppose, culture warrior artists

00:03:40.540 having made a whole bunch of political cartoons that went viral. My personal favorite actually

00:03:45.800 is the freedom trucker flying into the World Trade Center.

00:03:49.960 And the KKK trucks.

00:03:51.780 The KKK trucks. Yeah. From the Canadian trucker protest. And you've also got your own art series,

00:03:58.800 but yeah, you've been making edgy, I guess, what would you call it? It's called political

00:04:03.680 commentary, political cartoons.

00:04:05.340 Yeah. I mean, Twitter for better, for worse is the newspapers now. Newspapers have been falling

00:04:12.260 away for a long time. So where is everybody in the morning? I'm having my coffee. I'm taking

00:04:16.480 my poop. I'm going through Twitter and everybody's doing that. It's the newspaper of today.

00:04:21.300 So I'm just a cartoonist who happens to throw self-published things on Twitter and enough

00:04:27.120 people shared it around that I accidentally grew a lot of followers. It wasn't intentional.

00:04:32.160 Well, but it's funny stuff, you know?

00:04:33.620 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, thank you.

00:04:34.720 Like that Joe Biden quote about, what does it say?

00:04:37.640 200 million.

00:04:38.260 It is estimated that 200 million people will die by the time I finish this talk.

00:04:42.200 Yeah.

00:04:42.500 And then it's him firing lightning bolts from his hands and just vaporizing people.

00:04:46.760 Yeah. Palpatine style.

00:04:47.800 Palpatine style. Because he actually said that.

00:04:49.980 Yeah. Well, that's the thing is a lot of the better comics...

00:04:54.500 That time is now.

00:04:55.680 The more quote viral strips that ended up getting shared around the most was me taking a direct

00:05:00.120 quote from some fool and just illustrating literally what they said.

00:05:04.800 When they were saying that the trucker protest was a bunch of like terrorists, you made a

00:05:10.800 picture of a semi flying through the air into the Wall Street Center.

00:05:15.320 The conservatives thought it was actual liberal cartoons.

00:05:18.580 Right, right. I wanted to do something that's like, I follow some like New York Times and Toronto,

00:05:23.500 whatever, Toronto butts, newspaper artists. And I'm like, what would they have drawn if they were

00:05:29.180 paid? And they're so lame. And like, I like the New Yorker a lot, but lately they're very

00:05:35.200 propagandistic and stuff. So when I see their cartoons, I'm like, oh, I'm rolling my eyes. It's like NPR.

00:05:40.100 It's so low. And the left used to be sharp. And it's like, what would you...

00:05:45.440 What does the tower say? It's like society and like...

00:05:48.040 Society and free speech or something. It's the truck... No, the truck says free speech.

00:05:52.780 Yeah.

00:05:53.120 It's flying into values or something.

00:05:55.820 Society and something else. Democracy maybe.

00:05:58.120 Yeah. It was in such poor taste. And I was dying laughing in the shower that morning. I could

00:06:03.440 not wait to draw it. And then the left was sharing it around. Like they thought they knew

00:06:09.540 what it meant. The KKK trucks and they still... No.

00:06:13.880 But conservatives thought it was an actual liberal cartoon too.

00:06:17.120 Oh, thank God. And it was perfect. And I was biting my tongue trying to like, don't clarify.

00:06:21.980 Don't explain any of it. Did George go to the left? Yes. Yes, I am.

00:06:26.280 I think a lot of people just didn't know who you were and they saw the comic and they were

00:06:29.060 just like, oh, I can't believe it. And then the trucks with Klan hoods on them.

00:06:32.600 Yes. The perfect move there would be to actually submit that to the New Yorker and get it in

00:06:37.700 the magazine under a pseudonym. I want to become... Maybe I am actually already a cartoonist

00:06:44.160 for the New Yorker or the New York Times. And I'm intentionally drawing bad cartoons to subvert.

00:06:53.660 Yeah. You've had several banned from Instagram too, right?

00:06:56.940 Yes. Oh man. I just...

00:06:59.180 I had a cartoon banned from Etsy actually, where I sell my books. I had drawn... There was this FBI

00:07:06.300 guy like trying to infiltrate the alt-right or something. So he's wearing a Confederate flag

00:07:11.880 and he's like, how do you do fellow Trump supporters? Boy, I love guns, right? And people

00:07:16.320 are just like, who's that R... Can I say the R word? Who's that Dorcas?

00:07:24.180 Dorcas.

00:07:24.580 Right. And then he's like typing on a typewriter, dear director, I've successfully infiltrated the

00:07:29.400 far right. And Etsy pulled that comic, nobody can buy it anymore because it had a Confederate

00:07:35.260 flag in it. And they said, you can't have anything depicting hate symbols on our website.

00:07:41.360 I just saw the... I'm on your Instagram because I'm looking for the trucks one. And it's the comic

00:07:47.060 where the guy says, what's up my groomer? And he says, hold on comrade, it's problematic to use

00:07:51.340 the hard R words like that. Yes. And the kid's got monkey pox on his mouth.

00:07:55.660 Do you know how much trouble...

00:07:56.160 And then it says, Twitter banned you.

00:07:58.460 Twitter suspended you.

00:07:59.780 They... Yeah, I think no, Twitter... Yeah, Twitter gave me a...

00:08:03.460 Yeah, a week vacation for that one.

00:08:09.680 And...

00:08:10.160 A vacation, is that what you called it?

00:08:12.300 Yeah, it's like suspension from school. It's like, oh, I get chill time now?

00:08:15.620 Okay, I'll come back in seven days. No problem.

00:08:17.440 Yeah, this was before Elon bought it.

00:08:19.100 Yeah, they made me delete the tweet and stuff. Unfortunately, Patreon... So that's where my

00:08:23.260 line was. Patreon made me delete some of my comic strips from their archives or whatever. And it's

00:08:29.880 like, oh, we'll give you your money back if you delete your stuff. And I had sort of had enough

00:08:34.180 of censoring myself for the sake of having a few thousand dollars a month.

00:08:38.500 Yeah.

00:08:39.100 So I said, you know what? I'm just going to leave my account frozen. Let it be a monument. I'm

00:08:43.220 joining Sargon and...

00:08:44.440 Yeah, but why... So that's why I was... I was being half-joking when I said moronic. It

00:08:50.200 was trying to be over the top. But why use Patreon when we know they do this? And I was

00:08:56.180 talking to Ryan Long and Danny Palaszczuk.

00:08:58.900 Yeah, I heard that.

00:08:58.960 I'm like, why are you guys using this? They're going to ban you. Like, hands down. Dude,

00:09:03.380 Ryan Long and Danny are incredible. But we had Ryan Long. We booked him for a stand-up

00:09:09.580 show. For a show we did, we had him... I think he closed or I can't remember.

00:09:15.220 But he can't say the jokes he said on the internet. And everybody was laughing because

00:09:19.000 they knew the jokes were meant to be... They were meant to be dark. They were meant to

00:09:23.520 be offensive.

00:09:24.180 Yeah.

00:09:24.340 But we know Ryan's a good dude. But if he said those things, or if someone filmed it and

00:09:28.980 put it on the internet, you know what I mean? Like, why is he using Patreon?

00:09:32.400 On the public internet.

00:09:33.200 Yeah. Well, your advice was good. You know, build your own website and stuff. And he was

00:09:37.740 saying, rightfully, some people are not comfortable doing that. But that is a good solution.

00:09:42.200 Society and democracy.

00:09:43.360 Yes.

00:09:43.980 The trucks do it.

00:09:44.860 I don't know if you can see it on the camera.

00:09:45.980 The truck flying through the air.

00:09:50.000 Everybody, all of us who were here were laughing our asses off. Because we understood right

00:09:54.140 away.

00:09:54.760 Well, I think, luckily, the name... Maybe my name is not so recognizable. But if people

00:10:01.140 see G Prime, they would think, like, wait, is he joking? Most times when I say something

00:10:06.440 outrageous, like, can I show you my t-shirt, my magic t-shirt?

00:10:10.000 Sure.

00:10:10.360 As an example of this.

00:10:11.220 What is this?

00:10:11.680 You're wearing it.

00:10:11.800 I made a t-shirt.

00:10:12.800 You made a t-shirt.

00:10:13.500 We're just taking his clothes off.

00:10:14.420 I want to show you.

00:10:15.060 Ready?

00:10:17.060 This is my new shirt.

00:10:20.060 It says, blacks for Trump.

00:10:21.700 Blacks for Trump. But check it out. It's in Greek.

00:10:24.000 It's Greek.

00:10:24.260 Fine.

00:10:24.680 You know why? Because I recently learned...

00:10:27.000 That Cleopatra was black.

00:10:28.000 Yeah.

00:10:28.240 So, my people will rise again. And so, when I wear that shirt, am I joking? I don't know.

00:10:37.080 I don't even know. We're having a good time.

00:10:39.420 Yeah. That's all that matters.

00:10:40.520 Yeah. Blacks for Trump.

00:10:41.880 And in this world, man, the left grid does not want to have a good time.

00:10:47.120 But that's all I want to do. I just want to laugh in the shower in the morning. I need

00:10:52.940 a laugh. Lately, I have not been laughing a lot. And my life needs to...

00:10:57.140 I want to laugh and have stupid...

00:11:00.240 Which comics did Patreon want you to get rid of?

00:11:02.780 I didn't even check. I think it would have been the recent ones having to do with trans

00:11:07.800 issues. And... Oh, man. I would have to look at the archive right now. I can't remember.

00:11:13.680 The old comics?

00:11:14.700 No. It would have been probably within the past six months. Having to do with... Like

00:11:19.860 you said, the groomer jokes with the kid with the monkey pox or whatever.

00:11:26.420 Oh, the dog with monkey pox on his butt.

00:11:28.080 The dog with the monkey pox. It's stupid. It made me kind of chuckle, but it's like that

00:11:33.480 dark humor where you feel bad afterwards.

00:11:36.200 You felt bad about making that?

00:11:37.880 Yeah. I often feel like, should I upload these? And then I just click upload and I'm like,

00:11:42.520 all right.

00:11:43.860 But...

00:11:44.220 You make it.

00:11:44.800 How long does it take you to make one of these four-panel films?

00:11:47.120 I'm going to say half a day.

00:11:49.160 So you're sitting there for like 12 hours and then you're like, I'm finally done. Boy,

00:11:53.260 I should not upload this.

00:11:54.780 No. I mean, it's... All right. So in the... I think of the idea, say, in the shower or the

00:12:00.140 night before. And then I get up in the morning, I draw it. Four hours later, it's done. I say,

00:12:04.020 do I upload this or not? As I'm drawing it, I'm saying, is there... Is this too harsh?

00:12:09.000 Is the joke... Can it be more subtle? Because you don't want to...

00:12:14.000 There's the line. It's like, even with South Park, there are lines they can't cross.

00:12:19.080 But you can still get the really... Like, sometimes the best jokes are the ones that

00:12:22.960 are restrained and you have to think about it some more.

00:12:24.960 You should do one where it's like two big, fat, middle-aged guys and they're at a barbecue

00:12:29.200 and then they crack open a Bud Light and drink it and then turn into sorority girls.

00:12:34.280 I did want to do that. But you know what? The 4chan people beat me to it.

00:12:40.140 Which they usually do. So I'm just like, you know what? If 4chan's already...

00:12:44.000 It's everywhere. Like that joke and I'm just like...

00:12:46.740 There's a guy who... He drinks a Bud Light and then turns the filter on and that makes

00:12:51.040 him a woman. Yeah.

00:12:52.280 And it's like, okay, you can't drink Bud Light. That's enough. It's not...

00:12:54.640 You've been made fun of.

00:12:55.700 I was trying to find an angle of like drinking urine or something, but that's hard to draw.

00:13:01.380 I would have to do some research.

00:13:02.380 That would be gross.

00:13:04.300 I have to drink peepees.

00:13:05.840 What's this new thing you're working on?

00:13:06.960 The latest book is called Ghost of the Badlands. And it was cool because we were on Friday

00:13:15.300 Night Tights. Shout out to Nerd Roddick. He's really cool. And he invited me and Razor Fist

00:13:21.440 on Friday. And it actually gained $150,000 in like a few hours of funding.

00:13:28.680 What's it at now? Like half a million?

00:13:30.300 Now, no. I think it's slowed down because it's during the week. I think it's near 190 right

00:13:36.000 now. $190,000?

00:13:37.760 Yes.

00:13:38.260 Oh, I thought it was way higher than that.

00:13:39.780 Well, if it keeps... Like every Friday, if we push, I think we'll be able to get close

00:13:45.960 to a million. I mean, Eric July, I think, is the record holder. He's passed three million,

00:13:50.920 something like that.

00:13:52.340 Yeah, that's crazy.

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00:15:24.800 And there have been other creators who have broken the million barrier. But our goal was

00:15:30.020 just 50,000. It's a Western. It's kind of in the vein of like one of those Clint Eastwood

00:15:37.160 High Plains Drifter types of movies. Guy wandering the Arizona desert, you know,

00:15:43.220 shooting bad guys and whatnot. And I look forward to going out there for research soon.

00:15:47.220 Is he a minority or trans or anything?

00:15:50.800 Well, he is a masked vigilante type. I don't even know if vigilante is the right word. He's wearing

00:15:55.720 a mask. So maybe he is. He can be anybody.

00:15:58.640 Oh, he can't. Oh.

00:15:59.460 He's a secret.

00:16:00.640 I'm interested.

00:16:01.300 Yeah. He's got like a cool antique looking mask with some damage on the bottom. It's really cool

00:16:07.240 looking.

00:16:07.540 Oh, really? And does he wear gloves?

00:16:08.820 He does wear gloves, actually, just like our friend Razor Fist. And he carries a Bergman 1890

00:16:15.920 something Model 3, which was really hard to draw because I don't have reference.

00:16:20.900 Yeah.

00:16:21.280 But yeah, Razor's a huge gun guy. So he was very specific about what guns are being used.

00:16:27.580 It looks really good, genuinely. And Razor Fist wrote the story and all that stuff?

00:16:31.780 Yeah. He wrote the story. And what's cool is he's a huge fan of like French comics,

00:16:35.840 Bande d'Ascenay, I think it's pronounced. And I'm a huge manga guy. So we sort of married

00:16:40.200 our favorite parts. I drew it like a manga and he wrote it like a French comic. And so

00:16:45.580 the style is, I think, a really interesting hybrid of our favorite, not genres, but our

00:16:52.300 favorite ways of drawing comics. So it's black and white. There's going to be a color edition.

00:16:57.660 And I would encourage everyone to check it out. It's pinned under my profile on Twitter.

00:17:04.280 Right on.

00:17:04.920 My other book is Goofberry Pie, which I'm very proud of.

00:17:07.080 Goofberry Pie?

00:17:08.000 I like this book a lot.

00:17:09.500 Want to see one?

00:17:10.120 Yeah. If you want to crack through it.

00:17:12.120 Crack through it. Crack through it. What do we got here? It seems like a very novel.

00:17:17.780 Well, all right. So for children's books, right, I was doing research because there was,

00:17:21.800 I think last year, Matt Walsh, who I want to call out on this show later.

00:17:26.720 Oh, wait, this is a, oh, the pages. Pages are stuck together for some reason, George.

00:17:30.980 Must have been the humidity from, because it's so hot. The book's so hot.

00:17:34.900 I was, I was making a dirty joke.

00:17:36.180 So much action. Oh, that's not appropriate. That's a children's book. That's a children's

00:17:40.740 book, Tim.

00:17:41.120 Well, you know, as a mouse, so I don't know what you're into.

00:17:43.340 That's a wholesome hundred percent. Actually, like, all right. So my stuff is very sarcastic,

00:17:47.720 right?

00:17:48.120 Yeah.

00:17:48.660 But, and dark and adult, but this was very specifically supposed to be for kids.

00:17:52.840 And we didn't even put it up on my shop. It's on my wife's Etsy shop. So it's completely

00:17:57.980 like for, it's sweet. And she makes like plushies and clothes and it's very like blankets

00:18:05.860 and stuff.

00:18:06.680 Is it, is it, are there hidden political messages in it?

00:18:08.960 No, it just has a simple, like it's Winnie the Pooh-ish where there's the little main character.

00:18:15.080 He's like a mouse named Strudel and he's got to find a berry for his dad's cake.

00:18:20.540 I've got a project that we could work on.

00:18:23.140 Okay.

00:18:23.820 No, for real.

00:18:24.940 I'm listening.

00:18:25.400 And we'll like raise a million dollars in a day on Indiegogo or whatever.

00:18:29.640 I'm ready.

00:18:30.360 No, but I can't say it on camera.

00:18:32.040 Top secret. You just have to remind me.

00:18:33.820 Well, you guys, yeah, let's, let's hold them to it. I want a million dollars. That'd be great.

00:18:37.620 I think, so we, we, we've, we've had this idea for a while and we, and I'm looking at this

00:18:41.740 and I'm like, oh, you're the guy for this, man. You're going to, you're going to hit it out of

00:18:44.540 the ballpark. Let's do it. Let's talk about it. But anyway, let's go back to your book.

00:18:47.980 So the thing about a lot of these kids books that are coming out, like Tuttle Twins or Brave

00:18:53.020 Books or whatever, is that.

00:18:54.800 Anti-racist baby.

00:18:56.100 They're the opposite.

00:18:56.500 Oh no, that's the opposite. I'm sorry.

00:18:57.740 They're the opposite of that, but they're still political.

00:18:59.220 Yeah.

00:18:59.400 And so, you know, people will talk about, I don't want political indoctrination in my content.

00:19:03.800 And I'm kind of like, I do. Like I want freedom, meritocracy, individual responsibility

00:19:08.320 as a subtle message in my content. However, there is something to be said about all of

00:19:15.940 these kids books that they're making are over the top. You know what I mean? Like they're

00:19:20.720 not just making a book where it's like the mouse fights the, the, the evil snake and like

00:19:25.140 the snake was hurting people and hurting people is bad. It's more like the snake was taking

00:19:30.420 the acorns from the squirrels and, you know, 20% of every, you know, harvest.

00:19:35.640 It's too on the nose.

00:19:36.540 Right. It's too on the nose.

00:19:38.320 In this case, there is an instance of that where a weasel tricks Strudel into giving him

00:19:44.080 a strawberry and an exchange spoilers. The weasel gives Strudel a rubber ball instead

00:19:51.940 and says, it's a, it's a berry. And so he takes the bear, the fake berry home and it's

00:19:58.900 like, Oh, I've been tricked by a weasel. And that's pretty much, it's about, you know,

00:20:03.680 Hey, you should trust yourself and don't bite off more than you can chew. And family

00:20:08.220 values. And that's pretty much, that's my message that I'm sneaking into the book.

00:20:12.540 You should do the same thing, but make the story of Gellert's grave. Do you know that

00:20:16.980 one?

00:20:17.420 Remind me?

00:20:17.900 Gellert. Oh, I love this story, dude. It's not for kids. I'm kidding. It's actually,

00:20:22.060 it's, it's supposed to be for kids. So, uh, it's a Welsh legend about, um, I'm probably

00:20:29.840 going to be butchering this, but, uh, Prince, how do you pronounce, how do you say it? Uh,

00:20:34.120 how do you pronounce it? Two L's in Welsh. I don't know how to do this. Waylon or something.

00:20:37.180 I wouldn't be able to. And, uh, he goes off to go hunting or whatever to do his business.

00:20:42.680 And when he comes back, he sees his house is all ransacked. And then, you know, his dog was not

00:20:49.380 with him. He sees his son's crib flipped over. There's blood everywhere. And then the dog walks

00:20:54.680 over with blood dripping from its mouth, wagging its tail. And then thinking that his dog killed

00:21:00.260 his son while he was out, he pulls out a sword and thrusts it into the side of Gellert, his faithful

00:21:04.220 hound, killing him. And then when he does, and the dog lets out a dying whelp, he, he also wakes

00:21:09.640 up the baby. He hears crying and then he rushes over and he throws debris out of the way. And

00:21:13.600 there's his baby safe and sound next to a wolf that Gellert had slain. I see. Absolutely brutal

00:21:19.480 story. That would be worthy. Yeah. That's somebody should illustrate that. I'd be happy to, if I had

00:21:24.740 time. Yeah. It's like a man, but that's more for, that's more a story for dads, I guess, isn't it?

00:21:30.700 I guess it's for like, if you're 13, the message is not to jump to conclusions. You'll regret it.

00:21:37.420 And the legend is that he never smiled after that day. Interesting. Bro. Could you imagine

00:21:42.280 if you like killed your dog and then turn out your dog saved your baby?

00:21:48.860 Do you know when that story was written? Oh, dude, like 1400s or something. Yeah. It's super old

00:21:53.740 legend. And there's a place in Wales called Gellert's grave where it's supposedly there's a

00:21:58.200 tree where the dog was buried. Hmm. Yeah. I don't know if it's true. It's a, they say it's like,

00:22:03.500 it's a kid's story. It's a story to explain why you don't jump to conclusions. Why you, why you,

00:22:07.820 you think before you, you know, look before you leap. A lot of the better stories that have survived

00:22:13.240 over the years has some kind of one sentence or two sentence summaries like that, where this story

00:22:20.320 is about don't, you know. And, and what, right. And what's happening with conservatives is they've put

00:22:26.740 out like three books where it's like, it's too obvious. If you're a giraffe, you can't be a

00:22:30.260 penguin. And it's like, okay, we get it. I mean, all right, let's, the reason I wanted to jump into

00:22:36.260 this was because of Johnny the walrus, for example, I thought it was a little on the nose. It's fun.

00:22:40.460 That's the one outright where a kid wants to be a walrus. Yeah, I get that. So I like the idea of

00:22:45.840 that book needs to exist. And then I said, why don't I take it to the next level even, and not even have

00:22:50.820 a outright political message where it's just, I think the idea is anyone, even a left type would

00:22:59.080 be able to share this book with their kids. And it's just a sweet book.

00:23:03.440 But you do want subtle messages in it. You know what I mean?

00:23:05.520 Yeah. But just like not over the top on the nose, hitting you over the head.

00:23:10.400 I mean, a lot of the old Aesop's fables and Grimm's fairy tales had that sort of,

00:23:15.460 I mean, even Hansel and Gretel's was like super dark with his, the dad had remarried another woman

00:23:22.240 and she wanted to get rid of the kids because they couldn't afford to feed them.

00:23:26.200 Right.

00:23:26.380 So because the dad listened to the second mom, the kids were in the woods and stuff. And there's,

00:23:31.580 I don't even remember, you know, German storytelling.

00:23:34.580 And then like in Little Red Riding Hood, like doesn't the lumberjack cut the wolf's stomach

00:23:38.440 open to free the grandma or something like that?

00:23:40.940 I wouldn't be surprised.

00:23:42.160 I know in Cinderella, they tried to force their feet into the glass slippers and like

00:23:46.460 cut them.

00:23:47.060 I don't even, yeah, they might've hurt themselves a little bit, but that shows how desperate

00:23:51.920 they were.

00:23:52.320 And then in Little Mermaid, she dies.

00:23:54.260 She does, right? She turns into stone.

00:23:56.540 Foam.

00:23:56.980 Foam.

00:23:57.460 She disintegrates.

00:23:59.040 Yeah.

00:24:00.060 There was an old, yeah, I remember there was an old version, a cartoon of it telling the

00:24:04.940 actual story as a kid. And I was crying cause I saw, no, she dies at the end. No, that's

00:24:09.260 not nice.

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:10.240 It was so sad.

00:24:11.140 But maybe that's what we need. Maybe kids' stories should be more brutal. Maybe you should

00:24:14.820 have the mouse there, pull out a blade and come after the weasel for revenge like John

00:24:19.620 Wick style.

00:24:20.080 Well, in this case, kids can't even read the book. It's written, it's designed to be

00:24:23.620 read to them, you know, bedtime and stuff. So, but they can look at the happy little

00:24:27.440 pictures. He's holding a berry and stuff.

00:24:29.460 It's very cute.

00:24:30.040 Big strawberry, yeah.

00:24:30.580 Yeah, it's adorable. But the idea is that we, as a community who wants to fight wokeness,

00:24:37.760 I think one of the best tricks we can do is just pump out stories that are just good. And

00:24:45.380 then you kind of, you have to be a little more subtle.

00:24:47.440 That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah.

00:24:49.340 You know, like when we, we've put out four songs. Yeah.

00:24:54.180 The first one was a long time ago and it's not an overtly political message in the, in

00:25:01.120 the style of like FJB Democrats are bad. It's just a message about revolution. It's like

00:25:06.160 a story. And then we did only ever wanted, which is just a love song. Then we did genocide,

00:25:12.980 which is vaguely about institutions, manipulating people and stuff like that. So that one gets

00:25:17.900 a little political. And then the last one we put out is just about like not killing yourself.

00:25:21.960 And so the, the, the reason we did the political one, the two political ones is they were right

00:25:26.280 before elections. They were intended to be more political, but they're not on the nose. They're

00:25:29.540 not like calling people out. The other songs are because we're like, we just got to make music

00:25:33.100 and whether it's good, whatever, whether we like it, conservatives, libertarians, disaffected

00:25:38.560 liberals need to just make things. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be a book where it's like

00:25:44.060 little Ricky wants to be an umbrella, but Ricky can't be an umbrella. You know what I mean?

00:25:48.440 Yeah. The trouble is what's the most viral and shareable is usually the stuff that's really on

00:25:55.680 the nose and obvious because it's like the lowest resolution. What's the easiest to share out?

00:26:03.400 Whereas a subtle good story might not hit as hard. Like I'm only now learning, this is irrelevant,

00:26:10.140 but I'm, there's this book, Blood Meridian. I was researching cowboy stuff. It was written in 1985

00:26:16.580 by Cormac McCarthy, but only now I'm hearing about it. So it's what, 40 years later?

00:26:21.020 Yeah.

00:26:21.340 But apparently it's one of the best novels ever written and yada yada, but I never heard of it.

00:26:25.940 So I think the, the, the risk is you can make a great story. It might not go viral,

00:26:31.460 but years later it'll be considered a classic and then maybe it'll have the impact that it was

00:26:37.100 originally meant to, something like that.

00:26:38.940 Yeah. Like getting people's attention right now is the hardest part of marketing. We can consider

00:26:45.060 that marketing, letting people know that the book exists and do they want to buy it? Something like

00:26:50.180 that.

00:26:50.940 Like, yeah. And with everything, with everything being the culture war with algorithms, propping up

00:26:55.300 specific trains of thought, it's really hard to crack through with anything else. That's why we saw,

00:27:00.880 you know, it was like FJB hit number one on iTunes. You know what I mean?

00:27:05.260 I mean, because people are, are fervent right now. They, here's what you do. You know,

00:27:11.680 if you want to compete, make Johnny the Antifa and you know, a little kid who's revolutionary and

00:27:19.800 then the left will buy it.

00:27:21.320 The left would buy it. The right would buy if I did like little Johnny America.

00:27:25.800 But the problem is of course, yeah.

00:27:28.460 Sorry. Good idea.

00:27:29.440 Do it.

00:27:29.880 Make the same book with two different skins.

00:27:33.540 Yeah. Wouldn't that be interesting?

00:27:34.700 Written the exact same way with words changed.

00:27:36.960 The pictures are the same, but the skin is different. So like in one, it's a little kid

00:27:41.140 standing up to a bunch of angry people. And then in the left version, he's wearing an

00:27:45.700 Antifa shirt and the angry people are wearing American flags. And then in the right version,

00:27:50.580 he's wearing the American flag and they're wearing the Antifa.

00:27:52.440 That's really interesting.

00:27:53.620 And then see what happens.

00:27:57.440 Yeah. That's kind of like a social experiment.

00:27:59.500 Yeah. It's like, you see guys, you're the jerks. It is you who is the jerks this whole time.

00:28:04.820 I don't, I don't look at it that way. I don't, I don't think it's meant to demean either side.

00:28:08.120 It's to see who's, who cares more and who would support it more. Cause I think the right would,

00:28:12.840 I think the left wouldn't.

00:28:13.680 Well, if they saw my name, I guess I would have to do a Georgie, Georgina, Rick Applesauce.

00:28:19.820 Smith. Yeah.

00:28:22.060 Joe Jorgensen.

00:28:24.980 Well, I am a lesbian, so that helps.

00:28:28.080 Oh, okay.

00:28:28.580 You know, with their side.

00:28:29.960 For, for the, for like the, the, what's it called when you have the picture of the author

00:28:34.120 or whatever in the book?

00:28:35.400 Yeah.

00:28:35.640 For yours, do like a, do a filter.

00:28:37.720 Ooh, that was not good.

00:28:38.980 Do a, do a picture of, uh, you, but gender swapped into a man, you mean into a man.

00:28:46.560 That's right.

00:28:47.080 Yeah.

00:28:47.400 Cause as a, as a female lesbian with Georgette, Alexina.

00:28:53.600 Yeah.

00:28:54.620 That's, I love that idea.

00:28:56.360 Yeah.

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00:30:22.720 I wish I had more time.

00:30:29.100 I wish I could clone myself and do all these books.

00:30:31.860 Yeah.

00:30:32.180 Maybe we'll make a studio someday.

00:30:33.260 So let's...

00:30:33.860 You were saying something earlier about how you utterly despise Matt Walsh and you're...

00:30:39.060 He is my sworn enemy.

00:30:40.300 Sworn enemy.

00:30:40.880 That's right.

00:30:41.180 I'm going to look right in that camera and say, Matt Walsh, I'm calling you out, sir.

00:30:45.020 Because you said anime might be...

00:30:47.240 The lowest energy callouts.

00:30:47.820 Yeah.

00:30:49.040 Anime is demonic or something.

00:30:50.640 And then there was some guy who looks like Batista, but he's not.

00:30:54.180 He's like this big guy with glasses.

00:30:56.920 He...

00:30:57.200 I think Dave...

00:30:58.600 Dave Batista.

00:31:00.700 Rab Boy.

00:31:02.580 Who?

00:31:03.520 Oh, oh, oh, oh.

00:31:04.580 Mr. Muscle Man.

00:31:05.640 Batista.

00:31:06.040 Dave Ria Boy?

00:31:06.840 Yeah.

00:31:07.820 He was saying...

00:31:08.780 You're talking about Dave Batista.

00:31:09.440 He was retweeting someone that was saying, like, comics are for kids.

00:31:13.180 And I said, what is this garbage?

00:31:15.160 Oh, yeah.

00:31:15.480 Conservatives suck.

00:31:17.020 It's...

00:31:17.500 They don't understand why they're losing everything.

00:31:19.680 Yeah.

00:31:20.040 They're not culturally influential.

00:31:22.360 Look, man.

00:31:24.000 Conservatives.

00:31:25.620 You show up to a conservative event and it's like a 17-year-old wearing a suit.

00:31:29.460 They want to go to the golf tournament.

00:31:31.440 The country club conservatives.

00:31:32.980 That's...

00:31:33.220 What is this?

00:31:35.040 Even Turning Point USA.

00:31:37.540 And, like, I like the stuff these guys do, right?

00:31:39.200 Yeah.

00:31:40.120 But they're all wearing suits.

00:31:42.060 And I think the only people who weren't was our crew and Steve Bannon.

00:31:45.440 And it's just, like, regular teenagers are not going to...

00:31:50.140 Like, bro, who wants to wear a uniform to school?

00:31:52.320 Like, imagine going to school and there's that one kid that always wears a uniform even

00:31:55.320 when you don't have to.

00:31:56.080 Or a bow tie.

00:31:57.000 Or a bow tie.

00:31:58.460 It's just...

00:31:59.020 People are casual and relaxed and you come off as formal and outside when you do these

00:32:04.960 things.

00:32:05.880 When I used to go to church, I don't know if you went when you were younger.

00:32:09.100 I would never wear suits.

00:32:10.100 Twice a week.

00:32:10.920 Did you wear suits and stuff?

00:32:12.420 Oh, I didn't.

00:32:13.140 I wore jeans.

00:32:14.060 When...

00:32:14.540 No, we wore...

00:32:15.660 We would wear little suits and your Sunday's best.

00:32:19.480 And then I went to Catholic school.

00:32:21.260 So, we would do, I think, Thursdays.

00:32:22.780 So, you're in uniform.

00:32:23.920 And then Sundays with the family, you dress up.

00:32:26.040 Okay.

00:32:26.360 Your little suits.

00:32:26.960 Did you resent having to dress up?

00:32:28.520 No.

00:32:29.000 Okay.

00:32:29.440 No, I didn't.

00:32:30.320 I just...

00:32:31.120 Look, I was a little kid.

00:32:32.160 It just was.

00:32:32.800 You know what I mean?

00:32:33.680 But I got to tell you, I didn't understand a single thing they had said in church.

00:32:37.600 None of it made any sense.

00:32:39.300 They never explained it.

00:32:41.080 And I think that's one of the biggest failings of modern Christianity because it's only now

00:32:45.040 that I'm older that I'm learning about philosophy, faith, and some of these ideas that I'm actually

00:32:49.380 like, oh, wow, that's actually profound.

00:32:52.040 If they'd actually conveyed wisdom, you know, but they didn't have it.

00:32:55.460 They didn't have it.

00:32:55.980 So, it was hollow.

00:32:56.660 It's sort of outside in superficial Christianity that I always objected to.

00:33:02.600 So, I would go to church intentionally wearing casual clothes with...

00:33:06.660 I was trying to make a statement.

00:33:08.200 Like, everyone in church was wearing formal clothes.

00:33:10.200 So, I was standing out intentionally.

00:33:11.960 But I was trying to say, like, this is my best.

00:33:14.660 This is what I want to show God.

00:33:16.480 Like, He knows who I am.

00:33:18.000 So, why would I doll myself up and be fake?

00:33:20.580 Because I don't wear these kinds of clothes.

00:33:22.260 Right.

00:33:22.380 I don't want to go, like, wearing rings and, like, fixing my hair up.

00:33:26.680 And there are some churches where, like, people will wear almost...

00:33:30.180 I don't want to be too spicy.

00:33:32.140 But they will wear clothes that are inappropriate for church because they think it looks good

00:33:35.800 on them.

00:33:36.620 Like, they're going to the club or something.

00:33:38.500 It's like, what are you doing?

00:33:39.940 Why are you wearing that?

00:33:40.820 So, to go back to the Matt Walsh conversation, like, the reason that I think...

00:33:46.500 Like, these are the same types of moms and dads who hated Mortal Kombat and Doom because

00:33:51.700 they said it led to school shootings way back in the day.

00:33:54.700 And what you end up doing is just making yourself look lame and irrelevant to the current generation.

00:34:02.200 Kids nowadays, like, I don't know a lot of teenagers, but, you know, they have a certain

00:34:05.680 way of talking.

00:34:06.640 Buss in and all that stuff.

00:34:07.940 No cap.

00:34:08.560 No cap and whatever.

00:34:09.440 It's every generation does that.

00:34:11.000 I'll tease them.

00:34:11.500 But it's like, look, I'm not going to talk down to them because I'm older than them.

00:34:16.240 It's like, hey, there, young man.

00:34:17.340 You shouldn't...

00:34:18.360 Yeah, this is the story that I like to convey for my life was when I started skateboarding,

00:34:24.020 the cool thing was to wear skin-tight clothes.

00:34:26.500 Punk rock, skin-tight black jeans, stretch jeans.

00:34:28.940 Not JNCOs.

00:34:29.680 Not JNCOs.

00:34:30.580 And some kids would dental floss the pants onto themselves.

00:34:34.200 They put the pants on and then they'd sew them even tighter.

00:34:36.340 So, you'd get stretchy jeans and you'd skate them.

00:34:38.060 And they were really comfortable.

00:34:39.140 It was easier to skate in stretch jeans.

00:34:40.560 All right.

00:34:40.980 Skin-tight, right?

00:34:42.280 And the older crowd would wear baggy jeans.

00:34:45.960 And so, when I started skating, they would start insulting us and making fun of us.

00:34:48.880 I guess how stupid we were.

00:34:50.300 And then we would laugh at them.

00:34:52.080 We didn't care.

00:34:52.680 We don't care what you think, old man.

00:34:53.780 You suck at skateboarding.

00:34:55.040 What year was this?

00:34:56.120 This was 2002, 2003.

00:34:58.680 Okay.

00:34:58.860 Yeah, the punk rock, indie rock, skin-tight stuff.

00:35:02.120 It was just changing over.

00:35:03.560 Yep.

00:35:03.980 And so, then when I was in my 20s, I'm at a skate park and the dudes that I know are making

00:35:10.860 fun of kids who were wearing...

00:35:12.780 They would wear dickies that were too short for their legs.

00:35:16.160 So, they would have this huge ankle...

00:35:17.540 Like floods, almost.

00:35:19.320 You know how they'd make...

00:35:19.940 Like, hey, where's the flood, dingus?

00:35:21.640 Because their pants are too high.

00:35:23.080 And that was the new trend.

00:35:24.340 All the kids would wear pants that didn't go far enough down.

00:35:27.400 Yeah.

00:35:27.760 And then my friends were like, ha, what a bunch of losers.

00:35:30.160 Look how stupid they look.

00:35:31.120 And I was like, do you hear yourself, dude?

00:35:32.960 Yeah.

00:35:33.220 You sound just like they would talk about you.

00:35:35.060 Bro, I'm all about...

00:35:36.340 If they want...

00:35:36.860 If they're having fun, if they like it, that's cool, dude.

00:35:38.740 I got no beef.

00:35:39.980 Yeah.

00:35:40.120 You're allowed to like stuff, man.

00:35:41.520 And that's why I would object, and I really would like to at least have a polite conversation

00:35:46.120 with Matt.

00:35:46.560 I'm joking around that I want to debate him and fight him, Matt Walsh.

00:35:49.480 Yeah.

00:35:49.860 He rags on anime and manga.

00:35:52.640 We really...

00:35:53.280 He's wrong.

00:35:53.700 You're losing your...

00:35:56.280 Can I...

00:35:56.740 I don't want to sound too harsh, but the reason you're losing the culture war, the reason you

00:36:00.700 lost an entire generation of people, us and younger, let's say, you're not even...

00:36:06.520 They say video games are for kids and stuff.

00:36:08.680 Have you seen Doom Eternal?

00:36:10.120 Have you seen the latest Mortal Kombat?

00:36:13.440 Bro, Horizon?

00:36:15.580 Yeah.

00:36:16.020 The story-based games...

00:36:16.920 Zero Dawn and Forbidden West.

00:36:17.720 I'm playing Burning Shores right now.

00:36:19.180 Yeah.

00:36:19.740 So good.

00:36:21.040 And a lot of these games are mature.

00:36:23.760 They tell stories that only adults would understand and appreciate.

00:36:26.660 But kids need to hear.

00:36:28.120 Sure.

00:36:28.580 Right?

00:36:28.760 So like in Horizon, for those that aren't familiar, spoiler alert, I mean, the original

00:36:34.300 game is now like, what, seven years old or something.

00:36:37.100 It's basically, there's a military-industrial complex guy.

00:36:41.720 They build self-replicating war machines.

00:36:43.680 They lose control of them.

00:36:46.180 They then calculate that at a certain point, these things will consume all organic matter

00:36:50.840 creating...

00:36:51.400 Or they'll consume organic matter to the point where it destabilizes the ecosystem, causing

00:36:54.200 a global collapse.

00:36:55.960 And so the plan they make is building big underground facilities that once the machines die, once

00:37:03.560 the machines shut down because of a lack of ecosystem to support them, they kickstart

00:37:07.940 and reboot the earth and then clone and create people to repopulate the earth.

00:37:13.660 So in this game, you're going around to, you know, thousands of years later, abandoned

00:37:18.200 facilities.

00:37:18.680 It's fascinating how they visualize people's development, tribes.

00:37:25.820 It's like future tribalism.

00:37:27.560 There's relics of ancient technology, but they're still very early tribalist because

00:37:31.320 they don't know how to make a computer so they can make a ballista.

00:37:34.820 But then you find old recordings.

00:37:37.000 And it is really, really fascinating how they talk about these ideas that we're talking about

00:37:41.120 now with the imagination, like imagining what would happen.

00:37:46.600 So in one instance right now, there's a guy who runs a space mining company and there's

00:37:51.720 a disaster.

00:37:52.620 They're pulling asteroids closer to earth to orbit so they can mine them in outer space

00:37:56.160 and then one slams into earth or something like that and like causes problems.

00:37:59.740 It doesn't like wipe the earth out or anything like that.

00:38:01.220 But the video game is basically explaining complex ideas in storytelling so that kids can understand

00:38:07.340 what it means.

00:38:08.820 But outside of that, I'll say this because I love the post-apocalyptic stuff.

00:38:12.620 The idea like Superman, right?

00:38:14.720 I grew up on Superman and Batman.

00:38:16.600 Batman is the best.

00:38:19.200 I like Spider-Man, but I felt like Batman really was better in terms of he's just a

00:38:25.920 guy.

00:38:26.440 He's rich.

00:38:27.280 Don't get me wrong.

00:38:27.860 He has no powers really.

00:38:28.940 Right.

00:38:29.320 And then one of my favorite scenes was in Justice League when there's Superman in all

00:38:36.040 his power.

00:38:36.540 They're interrogating this guy.

00:38:37.880 And he's like, do whatever you want to me.

00:38:39.620 I ain't saying nothing.

00:38:40.960 And then Batman and Superman's like, we can't get anything out of him.

00:38:43.800 And then Batman walks up and whispers in his ear and he goes, oh, I'll tell you anything

00:38:46.260 you want.

00:38:47.060 And you don't know what Batman said.

00:38:48.800 But the fact was, Batman is the best superhero with no superpowers.

00:38:54.640 That means that you as a kid.

00:38:56.020 So when I'm growing up, it's like, do you want to be a superhero?

00:38:58.520 You can be.

00:38:59.300 You got to work hard.

00:39:00.320 You got to work out.

00:39:01.160 You got to be smart.

00:39:02.460 You're never going to be Superman, but you can be Batman.

00:39:05.220 And they're telling kids not to watch that stuff.

00:39:07.780 Now, I also grew up with anime, Dragon Ball Z.

00:39:11.940 Naruto was big when I started reading the manga when I was a teenager.

00:39:15.360 And what are all of these stories?

00:39:17.660 An outcast kid who has no natural talent works as hard as possible to become the best.

00:39:22.620 That reminds me of like an anecdote of, let's say you and I are archaeologists in Spelunky

00:39:30.060 world and we're finding a cave, an ancient cave, tens of thousands years old.

00:39:34.860 And we find some drawings on the wall and we're like, wait, we can, if we look at them

00:39:41.240 in a sequence, we can see that they're telling a story.

00:39:44.260 Or if we go to Egypt and we find hieroglyphics and it's like all these pictures, if you look

00:39:48.760 at them in a certain way, it's telling a story.

00:39:51.440 Oh, wow.

00:39:51.920 It's like, it's almost like humans tell stories through pictures.

00:39:55.420 And it's almost like pictures existed before language itself because letters are just really

00:40:01.140 refined pictures and any Asian, you know, language, especially, you know, Chinese, whatever you

00:40:07.340 get like the symbol for rice patty or the symbol for person.

00:40:10.700 I think in, uh, in Chinese, the symbol for, uh, if you take the symbol for woman and then

00:40:16.740 put it next to the symbol for woman, you get women.

00:40:18.900 And then if you add a third symbol, you get argument.

00:40:22.860 I'm not kidding.

00:40:24.400 That's the genius of.

00:40:26.020 So it was pictures were conveying ideas, but it was writing.

00:40:30.440 Yes.

00:40:30.620 So to them, they see an image, they're conveyed an idea, but think about the complexity.

00:40:34.200 So that was, I think that's true because there was this old meme where there was a, there

00:40:38.100 was a video online where a woman is explaining Mandarin or something like that.

00:40:40.800 I think it's Mandarin.

00:40:41.480 And she's like, here's a symbol for a woman.

00:40:43.940 If you put two of them together, it's now women.

00:40:46.460 And that's easy to understand.

00:40:47.880 And if you add a third, you get argument.

00:40:50.520 So think about what that means.

00:40:52.560 Back in the day when these dudes were creating language to convey an idea, they drew a picture

00:40:57.780 of three women and then nudged their buddy.

00:40:59.600 Like, you know what I'm saying?

00:41:00.320 Like, you get it?

00:41:01.240 But now it's like, and they're like, and then it became a meme, which is the word for

00:41:05.640 gene.

00:41:06.140 I want to fact check that.

00:41:07.120 I want to make sure that.

00:41:07.620 Well, I would believe it.

00:41:09.580 I do believe it as a matter of fact, even if you fact check it and it's wrong, but I

00:41:14.240 mean, pictures and words are just ways of communicating.

00:41:18.120 Wait, basic Chinese.

00:41:21.520 The character showing two women together means argument.

00:41:24.340 So it's two.

00:41:25.140 The character.

00:41:26.600 Oh, wow.

00:41:27.400 The showing three women actually meant infidelity.

00:41:31.920 That's crazy.

00:41:32.740 That's hot.

00:41:33.400 Yeah.

00:41:33.980 Oh, wow.

00:41:35.440 Nice.

00:41:35.840 Yeah.

00:41:36.800 So it's one, two and three on top and it means adultery.

00:41:40.940 That's so crazy.

00:41:42.160 So like they're, they're, they're communicating through pictures, you know, pictures as they

00:41:47.980 were turning into letters.

00:41:49.740 Cause the more you refine, the more people are literate.

00:41:52.540 Like if somebody can't draw, they can't make a comic telling a story about three men, three

00:41:58.280 women arguing.

00:41:58.960 But if I draw the woman symbol three times, let's say, um, but anyway, all this is to

00:42:03.720 say that pictures existed and maybe that's why manga is so popular in like Asian countries

00:42:08.140 because they understand the value of pictures as a tool of storytelling and maybe they respect

00:42:13.400 it more than say us here in the West.

00:42:15.860 Whereas, you know what?

00:42:16.860 Even Protestants, uh, would say that, uh, paintings were like, um, sacrilegious and stuff.

00:42:22.280 They, they didn't want paintings and religious icons in their churches.

00:42:25.400 Did Matt Walsh say it was demonic?

00:42:27.320 He said anime was demonic.

00:42:28.940 I'm sure he had his reasons because like a lot of anime that he probably saw was like

00:42:33.140 really spicy probably.

00:42:34.420 But that's like, that's like saying movies are demonic because of only fans.

00:42:39.080 You know what I mean?

00:42:40.300 Correct.

00:42:40.900 Cartoon, it's, it's, if somebody is going to use a video camera to make something really

00:42:45.300 nasty and awful.

00:42:46.280 Let's get rid of all video cameras.

00:42:48.060 Yeah.

00:42:48.240 That's not, that's, you know, they're, they're, they're, I'm sure Matt would argue those

00:42:51.540 great movies.

00:42:51.980 The issue is Matt doesn't know anime or manga.

00:42:53.600 Yeah, we could introduce them to some good ones, you know?

00:42:56.400 I think he would actually really like Attack on Titan.

00:43:00.880 Akira, Ghost in the Shell.

00:43:02.580 Ghost in the Shell.

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00:44:30.500 Shell especially.

00:44:31.740 But I don't know, he might not like Ghost in the Shell.

00:44:33.500 Ghost in the Shell is very transhumanist.

00:44:37.480 But it's cool.

00:44:38.640 Cowboy Bebop's amazing.

00:44:40.080 Cowboy Bebop's the bomb.

00:44:41.760 But yeah, there's a million.

00:44:42.840 It got canceled because it was too violent.

00:44:45.000 Is that what it was?

00:44:45.320 You know what he would like?

00:44:46.260 Cowboy Bebop?

00:44:47.000 No, it just ran out, I think.

00:44:48.680 No, I was reading about it.

00:44:50.180 I think what happened was at the time in Japan, they were concerned about the extreme violence

00:44:53.820 shooting each other and stuff like that.

00:44:55.580 And so they decided to just do two seasons or whatever.

00:44:58.460 Did you ever see Jinro?

00:44:59.840 No.

00:45:00.300 Oh my gosh, you got to see it.

00:45:01.720 It was based on, loosely, there was a student protest in Japan in the 60s, I think.

00:45:06.860 It was like the communists, the students were taking over and like having riots.

00:45:10.300 And it's about like a dystopian future where the only thing that can stop the constant riots

00:45:16.260 is like kind of a fascist police force where they put on armor.

00:45:19.740 I know you've seen the image.

00:45:20.740 Like the, it looks like the hell, what's it called?

00:45:25.880 Jinro, J-I-N-R-O-H.

00:45:28.180 But it's, it's about a police officer who has PTSD after shooting a civilian who he thinks

00:45:35.300 was...

00:45:35.960 Oh, right.

00:45:36.700 Definitely have seen this before.

00:45:37.820 Yeah.

00:45:38.080 That movie, it's so relevant to today with Antifa and all that stuff.

00:45:42.740 I think you should definitely prioritize watching it.

00:45:45.240 But that's something I would show to Matt.

00:45:46.660 And it's like, dude, this movie means something.

00:45:49.180 It's great.

00:45:50.040 And it's not just the whole...

00:45:51.180 Death Note.

00:45:52.000 Death Note's awesome.

00:45:53.380 But like the messages conveyed and challenged in these ideas.

00:45:57.520 Yeah.

00:45:57.800 Death Note isn't just a story about a psychopath and a detective.

00:46:02.560 It's a story about how to make a country better and the ramifications of killing those you deem

00:46:07.620 to be unfit for society.

00:46:08.900 What if I had this tool?

00:46:10.080 What would I do with it?

00:46:11.180 So for those that aren't familiar in Death Note, there's Reapers, Grim Reapers, they call

00:46:16.800 in Japan, they're called Shinigami, have notebooks where they write your name down, you die.

00:46:21.400 They can write how you die, and then they absorb your life force and they live forever or

00:46:25.120 whatever.

00:46:25.780 So a human teenager gets a hold of the book, and he is an authoritarian...

00:46:31.320 I don't know what you'd call him.

00:46:32.840 I think you'd call him probably fascistic.

00:46:36.620 Quite a tyrant, yeah.

00:46:37.680 But he starts out with good intentions.

00:46:39.700 But everybody does.

00:46:40.820 Yeah.

00:46:40.980 And so what he does is he starts killing criminals he sees on TV.

00:46:45.500 Then there's a detective who's trying to stop him.

00:46:47.480 The detective's a...

00:46:48.580 It's almost like utilitarianism versus deontological morality.

00:46:51.960 And that's why I think it's fascinating.

00:46:53.380 Plus, it's just a great show.

00:46:54.860 Yeah, it's just a cool mystery.

00:46:56.120 A question of...

00:46:57.100 Who's going to catch who?

00:46:58.520 Yeah.

00:46:59.060 But the moral question within the show is, should you kill people accused of wrongdoing

00:47:03.860 to better society?

00:47:05.440 What if they deserve it?

00:47:07.160 But then how do you know if they deserve it?

00:47:08.560 Yeah.

00:47:08.720 This is a thing.

00:47:09.300 Even if they deserve it, should you still kill them?

00:47:11.260 That's one thing I think they didn't explore properly in Death Note.

00:47:14.320 He would see people on TV and kill them.

00:47:16.940 And it's like, bro, they could be innocent.

00:47:18.420 And then he starts killing people that are just coming after him.

00:47:20.540 Yep.

00:47:21.200 Yep.

00:47:21.620 And then he starts...

00:47:22.600 Then it goes more into that gray area.

00:47:25.180 And now he's just killing people just because.

00:47:27.020 He views himself as a god of the new world.

00:47:29.560 Yeah.

00:47:30.020 And now people are trying to stop him.

00:47:31.500 So he's the only righteous one.

00:47:32.760 He has to stop them.

00:47:33.720 That's brilliant.

00:47:34.520 So it's genius.

00:47:35.180 But like, I'm assuming Walsh is coming at this because he hasn't seen something like

00:47:40.320 Death Note before.

00:47:41.140 But you can't say anime's bad.

00:47:43.540 You can't say cartoons and comics are bad or games.

00:47:46.020 Because again, you're going to lose the next generation.

00:47:48.500 They're going to say, oh, who are the only adults talking about these things as if they're

00:47:52.840 you know, cool.

00:47:53.820 But I suppose his idea is if you separate kids from the stuff, they'll never ask about

00:47:57.100 it at all.

00:47:58.400 How...

00:47:58.740 And you're going to...

00:47:59.460 And they wonder why they're losing the culture war.

00:48:01.820 Right.

00:48:01.840 Because they're not making culture.

00:48:02.760 They're complaining about it.

00:48:03.000 They're not making something like, I just will play a game because it's cool.

00:48:06.800 And if it has a message, fine.

00:48:08.560 So who did Johnny...

00:48:09.920 Matt Walsh did Johnny the Walrus, right?

00:48:11.640 Yeah.

00:48:12.260 And I think it's great that he did.

00:48:14.480 But let's be real.

00:48:15.600 No nine-year-old is going, whoa, Johnny the Walrus.

00:48:18.520 I love Johnny the Walrus.

00:48:19.820 Yeah.

00:48:20.280 Kids are going, I want to be Spider-Man.

00:48:22.720 Because they watch these...

00:48:23.680 Because it's cool.

00:48:24.880 When I was a kid, don't tell me the psychology of it.

00:48:28.880 I don't know why.

00:48:29.800 X-Men was awesome.

00:48:31.360 The idea of being a superhero was so cool.

00:48:33.060 The idea that you could be...

00:48:34.400 You have this power and you want to save the world and you have these challenges.

00:48:38.640 That was just so cool.

00:48:39.180 You want to be a superhero.

00:48:40.320 Batman, Superman, they never killed, no matter what.

00:48:43.980 And then you had these stories that were written that explored what if they had to, what if they didn't.

00:48:48.660 And you end up with the story arc.

00:48:51.480 I forgot which one it is.

00:48:52.280 Maybe you know where Superman kills the Joker and then becomes...

00:48:54.620 Injustice.

00:48:55.200 Injustice.

00:48:55.460 Shout out to my man, Mike Miller.

00:48:57.000 Dude, Injustice is so good.

00:49:00.020 And then, who was it?

00:49:03.060 Damien, Bruce Wayne's son, joins...

00:49:06.720 He's from the League of Assassins.

00:49:08.000 So he's like, we should kill these people.

00:49:10.240 Because like, Superman's basically, if you had just killed the Joker, how many people would be alive today?

00:49:17.540 Yeah.

00:49:17.840 And so he goes dark.

00:49:18.840 Which story arc was it?

00:49:20.160 It was that he poisoned Superman and Superman...

00:49:22.420 It was like a nuclear bomb goes off or he kills Lois or something like that.

00:49:25.380 I thought he killed Lois.

00:49:26.420 I don't remember.

00:49:27.020 Yeah.

00:49:27.780 I think there's two different versions.

00:49:29.580 One is he...

00:49:31.560 It could be the ball.

00:49:32.060 I'm not sure.

00:49:32.940 But he drugs Superman.

00:49:34.240 Superman goes on a rampage and kills Lois, who's pregnant with his son.

00:49:37.340 Yeah.

00:49:37.780 And that sets him off.

00:49:39.580 And then he basically creates...

00:49:41.340 What is it?

00:49:41.760 The Justice Lords.

00:49:43.780 Yeah.

00:49:44.560 So I don't know.

00:49:45.160 Like, these things are fantastic and they explored these ideas.

00:49:48.440 So I'm a kid and I'm seeing the philosophy, the pros and cons of these different moral ideas laid before me.

00:49:54.420 Then we got, in the early 90s, the first time, I suppose...

00:49:59.980 Not necessarily the first time, but in the Batman animated series with Mr. Freeze, the motivation...

00:50:04.420 That was a great one, yeah.

00:50:05.180 The motivations of the villain was...

00:50:07.260 Totally understandable.

00:50:08.460 ...sympathetic.

00:50:09.060 Yeah.

00:50:09.640 So dark.

00:50:10.260 For those that don't know, this was...

00:50:12.740 Originally, Mr. Freeze was a one-dimensional comic book villain.

00:50:14.980 I'm going to freeze the world!

00:50:16.080 Yeah!

00:50:16.900 And then in the Batman animated series, they made it so that he was committing these crimes

00:50:21.260 because he needed resources to save his dying wife.

00:50:24.000 Yeah.

00:50:24.440 And it's just masterpiece.

00:50:26.680 And then Batman's like, I have to stop him.

00:50:28.380 He's a bad guy.

00:50:29.420 But he's like, I just want to save my wife.

00:50:31.360 Yes.

00:50:31.760 Damn, dude.

00:50:32.660 That's good storytelling.

00:50:33.580 And as a younger person, I just enjoyed the show, and I didn't know why.

00:50:38.460 In fact, all right, if I can toot my own horn just a little bit here, with Goofberry Pie,

00:50:42.820 for example...

00:50:43.060 It's not on camera, because people watch them.

00:50:45.840 Hands are here.

00:50:46.960 But no, not to say something.

00:50:48.380 All right, so I had the opportunity to show Goofberry Pie to some kids in a school, let's

00:50:55.140 say.

00:50:55.700 But you know how the trans stuff, and they're going to schools in Drag Queen Story Hour

00:50:59.240 and stuff?

00:50:59.500 I was tempted to brag about, oh, I read this to kids in a school.

00:51:03.580 But then I was thinking, no, it would be weird for me to brag that I got to read to some

00:51:09.900 kids.

00:51:10.240 But they loved this book just because it was fun.

00:51:13.800 They loved the pictures.

00:51:15.180 They were going bananas, man.

00:51:17.100 I'm telling you.

00:51:17.900 All right, so I was there.

00:51:18.860 I'm reading.

00:51:19.920 And I got up.

00:51:21.300 The teacher has this thing where there's a camera above a sheet of paper where you can

00:51:25.460 draw, and it's projected on the wall.

00:51:27.580 And they were saying, oh, draw Strudel.

00:51:29.500 Draw this.

00:51:30.080 Draw that.

00:51:30.420 Draw a fire truck.

00:51:31.600 And I'm drawing a fire truck really badly, and they are losing.

00:51:35.200 Can I curse?

00:51:35.960 I don't want to curse.

00:51:37.740 They were losing it laughing.

00:51:39.800 They were having the best time.

00:51:41.680 And just because an adult came and took the time to draw and have fun with them, and it's

00:51:46.620 like, okay, now you guys draw.

00:51:48.500 Show me your drawings.

00:51:49.480 And my God, I have a pile in my house.

00:51:51.640 I got to show this off sometime.

00:51:52.600 They all drew fan art of Goofberry Pie, because their teacher took the time to read it to

00:51:58.300 them over a course of a week.

00:51:59.820 And they just like the book.

00:52:01.560 I do got to say, I got to call you out, man.

00:52:03.580 It's clearly a strawberry.

00:52:05.180 It's, you know, I don't know what you're trying to put here.

00:52:06.780 That's the real spoiler of the story is, what is a Goofberry?

00:52:10.840 Does it even exist?

00:52:12.180 It's actually a cake, not a pie.

00:52:14.740 There's deception everywhere.

00:52:16.800 I'm deceiving everybody with this book.

00:52:19.160 But yeah, I'm told that they just like the book because it's fun to read.

00:52:24.180 And you need to give kids play.

00:52:27.600 Games.

00:52:28.000 And teenagers.

00:52:29.160 Right.

00:52:29.460 No, that's for sure.

00:52:29.940 Video games are just fun.

00:52:31.660 And then maybe if you're smart, you know, you do your storytelling well, you can sneak

00:52:35.820 in your little morals and all that stuff.

00:52:37.060 What do we see with the, you know, tiger babies and wolf babies?

00:52:41.680 They play fight.

00:52:43.380 Yes.

00:52:43.880 They roll around and they're not trying to, it's what they do.

00:52:46.960 Humans are no different.

00:52:47.740 We play these video games.

00:52:48.800 It's play fighting.

00:52:49.380 We don't actually want to go hurt anybody.

00:52:50.660 No.

00:52:51.200 And so.

00:52:52.740 If they had footage of us yelling at people online when we lost matches.

00:52:57.220 Oh man.

00:52:57.780 You know?

00:52:58.480 I mean, I never did that.

00:52:59.320 But play fighting.

00:53:00.860 Oh, right.

00:53:01.580 We're, we're really acting out our aggression on each other in a safe way.

00:53:05.560 Like you, you son of a.

00:53:07.640 And they want to get rid of that.

00:53:08.420 They want everyone to be a soy boy.

00:53:10.360 Even overwatch, which was one of my favorite games.

00:53:12.820 They're now recording all the matches, like your voice.

00:53:16.680 They do voice to text or something.

00:53:18.580 So I can't even call people names in the game anymore.

00:53:21.220 It's very sad.

00:53:21.960 I just don't even use voice because people pointed out, you know, I play overwatch fairly

00:53:26.140 often.

00:53:26.700 Yeah.

00:53:26.880 And it's just so annoying when it's like, get on the point, dude.

00:53:31.520 Yeah.

00:53:31.700 You play overwatch.

00:53:32.580 Or yeah.

00:53:32.860 As a tank.

00:53:33.500 It's like, can you heal me?

00:53:35.120 Yeah.

00:53:35.380 Mercy.

00:53:35.800 Can you stop boosting soldier and fair?

00:53:38.140 I'm dying as Reinhardt.

00:53:39.860 Can you heal me, please?

00:53:40.920 To be fair.

00:53:41.420 Like boosting soldier is, is, is, is massive.

00:53:44.080 It can be a massacre when, when you boost that.

00:53:46.260 It can be strong.

00:53:47.180 Yes.

00:53:47.680 But you need to heal.

00:53:48.960 Let's talk about, let's talk about overwatch the whole rest of the time.

00:53:50.540 Oh dude.

00:53:50.900 It's so annoying because, you know, I'll be, uh, I'll be playing D.Va or something.

00:53:58.820 And the annoying thing to me is we're playing capture the point.

00:54:05.500 And I think this is relevant in terms of culture stuff.

00:54:07.760 So hear me out.

00:54:09.260 We'll be on attack and we'll be trying to take the point and it'll be like a take the

00:54:12.520 point and then followed by like an escort.

00:54:14.000 Yeah.

00:54:14.140 This means for those that don't know the game, you have to sit on a specific location uncontested

00:54:18.280 by the enemy team for what is it like 15 seconds or something like King of the Hill,

00:54:22.320 like King of the Hill.

00:54:22.900 And then after you do that, you'll either gain control and a timer starts going up.

00:54:27.280 And once you fill the percentage meter, you win or a vehicle that you have to escort

00:54:30.840 comes out, they all, the, the, the, every time I'm always on the bad team.

00:54:36.340 I just don't understand why, whatever random cues, the enemy team will be standing in front

00:54:40.940 of our base and all of my team will be fighting there.

00:54:44.360 And I'm like, guys, just walk past them.

00:54:47.380 And so what I'll do is I'll take D.Va.

00:54:49.600 D.Va has the ability to do short burst flight.

00:54:51.480 It's a mech suit.

00:54:52.180 I'll fly over them, land on the point and start capturing it because they're fighting

00:54:56.320 somewhere else.

00:54:56.960 Yes.

00:54:57.140 The enemy team then retreats, allowing my team to advance.

00:54:59.860 And I'm just like, how come I'm the only one who ever does this?

00:55:03.440 Playing the objective.

00:55:04.120 Yeah.

00:55:04.400 Playing the objective.

00:55:04.940 And the worst thing is I lose it when it's like you have 30 seconds left to capture the

00:55:10.540 objective.

00:55:11.400 Our team is clearly doing decently, but they won't fight on the point.

00:55:15.860 Yeah.

00:55:16.300 And then I'm like, just fight on the point.

00:55:19.240 And then it goes, it's like objective.

00:55:21.660 You don't get any ticks.

00:55:23.100 I'm just, you can get three ticks for anybody who cares.

00:55:25.900 Like it fills up and then stops and then it won't go back down to zero.

00:55:30.160 If you, but, but when it's like you're in overtime, you know, yeah, that's the end of

00:55:34.360 the game.

00:55:34.720 And everyone's running around the objective.

00:55:36.960 So if you stand on the objective, the game can't end.

00:55:39.920 You get overtime.

00:55:40.560 It's overtime.

00:55:41.040 But my team is always just running around randomly.

00:55:43.400 And I'm like, please just go on the truck.

00:55:45.740 Just stand on the truck.

00:55:46.640 Like you're fighting your healers there.

00:55:48.800 Oh, and then you lose.

00:55:49.780 And you're just like, why was I the only one?

00:55:51.700 I was just playing that new, um, Talantis or whatever map they released for the, uh,

00:55:56.780 arcade mode.

00:55:58.000 And it's like they're, they're the enemy team successfully convinces them to fight off

00:56:03.640 point.

00:56:03.900 I'm just standing there by myself.

00:56:05.040 Yeah.

00:56:05.480 And I'm like, why am I the only one trying to capture this?

00:56:07.700 Which takes a long time.

00:56:08.460 And then they, they kill me and then we lose.

00:56:10.480 Yeah.

00:56:10.600 Anyway, my point is this, now that I've vented on that, a bunch of people responded to me

00:56:15.780 when I said it on Tim Castile, they were like, Tim, it's because they're 12 years old.

00:56:19.560 Isn't that so patronizing?

00:56:21.500 They are 12 years old.

00:56:23.780 Look, even my wife teases me because I like Overwatch because of the, she says the art style

00:56:28.760 is cartoony or something.

00:56:29.960 And it's like, it's Blizzard.

00:56:31.080 I like a big boy games anyway.

00:56:32.760 But no.

00:56:33.540 All right.

00:56:34.500 To make a real point though, going back to the Matt thing, even if they say games are for

00:56:39.940 kids, but we're speaking in the language of people who play games, everybody our age and

00:56:44.420 younger will understand what we're talking about.

00:56:46.140 There are some people who are just lame sauce and they don't understand what a C9 is.

00:56:51.860 Don't C9 the point, get on the point.

00:56:54.320 You know, and it's like, oh, what is he even talking about?

00:56:56.180 That sounds demonic.

00:56:57.100 And it's like, you are completely detaching from an entire generation of kids.

00:57:01.200 It's like a youth pastor who doesn't know how to use movie references to tell a sermon.

00:57:08.580 This is why they, the left got, started attacking me for trying to use pop culture references

00:57:14.500 to explain philosophical ideas.

00:57:16.860 That's connecting dots.

00:57:18.940 That's how you make a point.

00:57:20.400 Yeah.

00:57:20.600 This thing is like this other thing.

00:57:23.040 Hitler is like Trump or Trump is like Voldemort.

00:57:26.620 Have you seen this movie called Harry Potter where there's a bad guy named Voldemort?

00:57:30.380 And now it's like, oh, he's like Thanos.

00:57:32.800 Yeah.

00:57:32.960 Can you imagine that?

00:57:34.100 And then I'm sure there'll be some other pop culture thing that we can connect to, but

00:57:36.940 you have to, if you want to influence a generation, like I'm reaching at our age and let's say

00:57:43.520 lower, maybe up until 18 and I don't care what other kids are doing.

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00:59:12.720 Like, I want to be able to speak in the language, A, because I enjoy games and that's not going

00:59:19.700 to change.

00:59:20.360 B, I want to make references that people are going to understand.

00:59:23.520 If Biden uses Palpatine lightning, that assumes people have seen Star Wars.

00:59:29.620 Yeah.

00:59:29.920 I have to use the metaphor that people understand or else it's too obscure and I get comments

00:59:35.880 of what is this about?

00:59:36.700 But that's why, Mr. Matt Walsh, I want to debate you and discuss why it's so important

00:59:44.900 to get in the culture, make culture, and also understand what these references are.

00:59:49.440 Don't say your hobbies are bad.

00:59:51.740 I think Johnny the Walrus is a good example of why they're struggling to do culture.

00:59:56.660 Because look, I'm not trying to rag on the book.

00:59:57.960 Not to poop on it.

00:59:58.720 No, it's fine.

00:59:59.120 No, right.

01:00:00.080 It's just the conservatives are very logical in their approach and they're very rigid.

01:00:06.100 Cold.

01:00:07.580 I mean, I don't know if cold is the right word.

01:00:09.100 I just mean it's like a very matter of factly.

01:00:11.220 Like in this book, Johnny wants to be a walrus, but you can't be.

01:00:14.140 You understand, right?

01:00:15.380 Instead of making, you know, a comic about a mad scientist who begins turning people

01:00:19.800 into animals and then the superhero has to defeat the mad scientist and explain why,

01:00:25.600 you know, and then the people, you could do stuff where a person's like, I don't want

01:00:29.060 to be a tiger.

01:00:29.780 No, what's happening to me?

01:00:30.960 And like, you know, conveying ideas through these kinds of stories.

01:00:34.360 I guess the issue is for a lot of conservatives, they view the world in a very binary way.

01:00:39.780 Ones and zeros, very digital.

01:00:41.780 It's somewhat rational, yeah.

01:00:42.800 But that means it's like, if you want to explain to a child why, you know, these ideas are

01:00:47.880 wrong, they make it very on the nose.

01:00:50.160 It's not very imaginative.

01:00:51.520 It's very direct, you know?

01:00:52.780 And I don't think it's an accident that like you and I are rather center-ish and we grew

01:00:57.660 up around left-leaning people and the arts are traditionally left-ish and emotional.

01:01:03.260 Well, that's only because conservatives ceded the territory.

01:01:05.760 Look at Captain America.

01:01:07.080 I think so, yeah.

01:01:07.620 He's literally an American, he's wearing an American flag and he's beating up enemies

01:01:11.760 of the United States.

01:01:12.760 Well, he was very relevant in the 40s and 50s then.

01:01:15.060 Yeah, I mean, it was, he's Captain America.

01:01:19.480 It's like, you can't get more America first than that.

01:01:21.760 Yeah.

01:01:22.760 And even the left now with Marvel and DC, they're struggling to connect to their audience

01:01:26.640 because sales are as low as ever.

01:01:28.600 Remember, remember that, uh, the new Warriors or whatever, Snowflake and Safe Space.

01:01:34.440 Was that a joke though?

01:01:35.580 No, that was real and they canceled it.

01:01:37.300 And one of the superheroes was Dora the Explorer.

01:01:39.520 It was a fat Mexican woman who had a backpack she could pull anything out of.

01:01:43.880 Everybody, yeah, yeah.

01:01:45.960 Dora?

01:01:46.880 Well, they didn't, her name wasn't Dora, but she was Dora.

01:01:48.820 It looked like Dora.

01:01:49.540 Oh.

01:01:50.020 Yeah, it was the new Warriors.

01:01:51.060 The Magic Backpack.

01:01:51.880 Yes, I remember.

01:01:53.220 I do remember that.

01:01:55.340 I remember that.

01:01:56.920 Yeah, it was the new.

01:01:57.580 Live from the first X-Men movie when Xavier pulls up and he goes, what's your name?

01:02:00.640 Wheels?

01:02:02.860 Yeah, it was, uh, the new Warriors.

01:02:05.340 Oh my God.

01:02:06.200 Marvel.com introducing the new Warriors.

01:02:08.440 That's Ramona Powers' ability anyways.

01:02:11.600 Fat Mexican woman with a backpack she can pull anything out of.

01:02:14.140 Nah.

01:02:14.940 Then there was a dude who was called, he was called like, what is he called? The internet

01:02:17.960 or something?

01:02:20.300 Firestar Rage Speedball?

01:02:21.800 They made a character named Speedball?

01:02:23.820 That's kind of, that's messed up.

01:02:25.440 Like, a Speedball is meth and, uh, fentanyl combined.

01:02:29.080 Relevant.

01:02:30.240 Relevant to the children of today.

01:02:33.020 Man, it's so, it's so boring.

01:02:35.740 That's the biggest problem, is that it's boring.

01:02:38.240 You have to-

01:02:38.620 Screen Time, that was his name.

01:02:40.660 Screen, he's a, he's a, he's a Mexican kid who is connected to the internet.

01:02:44.520 A meme-obsessed super teen whose brain became connected to the internet.

01:02:48.680 Man, I-

01:02:49.260 After being exposed to experimental internet gas.

01:02:52.140 That makes me want to read the book so bad.

01:02:55.000 Doesn't it?

01:02:56.100 So, like, okay.

01:02:57.380 Snowflake in safe space.

01:02:58.740 At these companies, they're hiring obvious duds.

01:03:01.340 They don't know what they're doing.

01:03:02.380 How are we going to connect to the kids of today?

01:03:04.160 They don't want to read comics.

01:03:06.060 Which is ironic, because if you go to Barnes & Noble right now, the manga section, massive.

01:03:11.020 If I, I was at Barnes & Noble yesterday at the mall up there.

01:03:13.600 And, um, there's like, let's say 20 shelves of manga, and maybe two, three shelves of

01:03:19.760 Western graphic novels.

01:03:22.180 Manga is crushing-

01:03:23.840 Oh, yeah.

01:03:25.000 Western comics.

01:03:25.940 It's better.

01:03:26.680 And what's crazy is you'll get conservatives that will just say, I don't know why.

01:03:30.900 And it's like, okay, ask your kids.

01:03:33.080 Yeah.

01:03:33.440 Ask your kids why they're reading Death Note or-

01:03:36.040 Dude.

01:03:36.400 Or Jujutsu Kaisen, is that what it's called?

01:03:39.140 Yeah.

01:03:39.320 On the cover of New Warriors, the twin brother and sister are lovingly embracing each other.

01:03:44.520 And it's just like-

01:03:45.660 How fun.

01:03:46.360 It's so weird.

01:03:47.420 Uh, I'll tell you why.

01:03:48.380 Demon Slayer.

01:03:49.320 Why do I like Black Clover or Naruto?

01:03:53.020 Granted, Boruto is kind of over the top, and Naruto kind of went off the rails in the end

01:03:57.560 with aliens and whatever.

01:03:59.240 Sure.

01:03:59.780 But it's really simple.

01:04:02.660 It's fun.

01:04:02.840 I think Black Clover is an amazing story for kids.

01:04:06.780 Uh, for those that don't know, in this world, people who have magic will eventually get a

01:04:13.380 grimoire, a book of spells.

01:04:15.260 It appears before them or whatever, or chooses them or something, like comes out of the library.

01:04:18.440 And this one kid really wants to be a, uh, like a, uh, he wants to serve the kingdom and

01:04:25.080 be a knight or whatever in one of the famous knight teams.

01:04:28.980 He's got no magic.

01:04:30.460 He's got no magic.

01:04:31.480 Alas.

01:04:32.080 So he can't.

01:04:33.080 So what does he do?

01:04:34.080 He physically trains to the point where when he goes into the, uh, the recruitment training

01:04:40.880 thing, I love that scene in the beginning, the, the, this, in, in, in one of the earlier

01:04:45.980 episodes where the, the, the people with magic powers are supposed to fight each other to

01:04:51.120 show how strong their magic is to get appointed to like a knight ship or whatever.

01:04:54.820 He has no magic.

01:04:56.400 And then as soon as the fight starts, it's just like, it's, it's like an explosion of

01:05:00.460 speed and he slams the guy and just knocks him out.

01:05:02.800 And they're like, whoa.

01:05:04.340 And what I love this idea, what's being conveyed, even if you don't have the gifts, even if you

01:05:10.040 are on average or like, you're not as good as everybody else, you can work hard and become

01:05:16.540 something powerful and useful.

01:05:18.420 Yeah.

01:05:18.620 You can, if you find your path, but you have to work hard.

01:05:24.580 You can meet or surpass people who are quote born with it.

01:05:27.740 Yep.

01:05:28.540 The message of, of that and Naruto, Naruto is a story about an orphan kid who's a screw

01:05:34.180 up and he's a, he goofs around and he's, and he's really bad at what he does.

01:05:37.500 He's, he's not the, you know, Sasuke is the cool kid who's just super talented.

01:05:42.000 Yeah.

01:05:42.220 And then Naruto becomes basically the president.

01:05:44.500 Naruto only knows one good ninjutsu, right?

01:05:47.040 And he's like, yeah.

01:05:47.720 And he's really awkward with it.

01:05:48.980 The clone.

01:05:49.860 What is it?

01:05:50.160 Shadow clone.

01:05:50.920 Shadow clone.

01:05:51.500 Yeah.

01:05:52.220 Yeah.

01:05:52.560 So that, yeah, these are basic shonen jump ish.

01:05:56.580 I assume black clover shonen jump.

01:05:59.000 I think so.

01:05:59.580 Probably.

01:05:59.960 Pretty sure.

01:06:00.220 But like that magazine does a lot of like My Hero Academia is similar to that, where

01:06:04.840 it's just work, work hard, make friends, trust your friends.

01:06:10.120 It's okay to have rivalries.

01:06:11.720 Oh, wait, is it not shonen?

01:06:12.760 Shueisha.

01:06:15.200 Shueisha.

01:06:15.860 Yeah.

01:06:16.580 Yeah.

01:06:17.380 They, but again, like, look, you and I are talking about this.

01:06:20.340 I'm in my late thirties, mid to late thirties.

01:06:22.300 Um, I happen to just be basically literate about all these things.

01:06:26.840 So if a young person, let's say we're at a church setting starts talking about shonen

01:06:31.280 jump, black clover, My Hero Academia, I can talk to them about, oh, so you remember

01:06:36.540 that, that the main character can train and, uh, maybe they read the story, but they didn't

01:06:42.800 connect the dots of, I can become great too, if I work hard.

01:06:45.580 Yeah.

01:06:45.920 So maybe a younger person needs an adult to point out that's the moral of the story.

01:06:50.280 And then they read it again and go, wow, I didn't even know I read that.

01:06:53.560 That's great.

01:06:54.400 To be fair too, with My Hero Academia, it's, it's like, it's like a similar story.

01:06:58.400 This, people are born with quirks.

01:07:00.360 Basically they have superpowers and this one kid isn't, but he really wants to be a superhero.

01:07:03.960 So he trains a whole lot to become stronger, but then the most powerful superhero gifts

01:07:08.180 him superpowers.

01:07:09.420 A piece of his hair.

01:07:10.020 By eating his hair.

01:07:11.040 It's kind of weird.

01:07:12.140 But what's cool is that the power is so overwhelming that he breaks his bones when he uses it.

01:07:16.580 The main character.

01:07:17.140 I love it.

01:07:17.820 That's cool.

01:07:18.220 Yeah.

01:07:18.260 He like flicks and then his finger snaps.

01:07:20.000 Yeah.

01:07:20.300 So he has to train his body to handle the power that he inherited.

01:07:23.840 Yeah.

01:07:24.120 Which is a fun idea.

01:07:25.420 And the, uh, the, the hero and the villain all for one and one for all.

01:07:29.360 He's very American.

01:07:30.920 Yeah.

01:07:31.320 Oh, I love that.

01:07:31.960 He's the, what the Chicago smash or something.

01:07:33.980 It's like the more powerful it is.

01:07:35.220 It's a bigger region of the United States.

01:07:36.880 Detroit smash.

01:07:37.960 Yeah.

01:07:38.260 Yeah.

01:07:38.400 Yeah.

01:07:38.800 Yeah.

01:07:39.080 That's fun.

01:07:39.680 It's dumb and fun.

01:07:40.840 But again, this is Japan doing this.

01:07:43.060 Anyone who's our age and younger, or maybe a little older, your kids are reading these stories.

01:07:46.880 It would be good for you to at least familiarize yourself with what these anime are about or the,

01:07:53.420 the manga.

01:07:54.440 I think, I think the concern for people like Matt Walsh is the creepy stuff, but that's,

01:07:59.680 that's why I said it's like saying movies are only anime is a medium.

01:08:02.680 It's not a genre.

01:08:03.520 Yeah.

01:08:03.680 You, you have to be able to discern what's good and what's bad and what's creepy and

01:08:07.380 what's not.

01:08:07.960 Plus, isn't there a bunch of like Christian anime and manga?

01:08:11.320 Yes.

01:08:11.700 Like with like strong moral messaging.

01:08:13.600 Uh, yeah.

01:08:14.060 I grew up with an anime actually called super book that I didn't even know was an anime.

01:08:18.760 Um, but it was fun and I liked the art and I didn't know why.

01:08:21.740 And I later learned I, it was Japanese.

01:08:24.280 Yeah.

01:08:24.860 They just do a good job.

01:08:26.700 And I was, I gravitated towards it cause it looked good.

01:08:29.340 Um, so I want us, a lot of it's very traditionally masculine too, like the self-sacrifice to save

01:08:37.600 those you love a lot of, uh, a lot of the most popular stuff.

01:08:41.660 I mean, obviously Dragon Ball and Bleach, the main characters become stronger in response

01:08:45.840 to needing to protect their loved ones.

01:08:47.800 Yes.

01:08:48.880 They're occasionally like the lady main character.

01:08:51.120 Well, Shonen Jump is for boys that are ages, uh, let's say teens, uh, preteen and teens.

01:08:59.460 So that they only make books for that demographic.

01:09:02.200 In Japan, they specifically say, we're going to make stories for men ages blank to blank.

01:09:07.620 And boys.

01:09:08.460 Real quick.

01:09:09.100 It's, it's a magazine.

01:09:10.440 Shonen Jump.

01:09:10.940 Shonen Jump.

01:09:11.460 There's also Shonen.

01:09:13.100 No, there's Ultra Jump, which is for older guys.

01:09:16.020 There's, um.

01:09:17.640 Shueisha.

01:09:18.320 Yeah.

01:09:18.840 Shueisha is the overall publisher, if I remember.

01:09:20.800 And then there's Shoujo Comics, Shoujo Beat here in the States.

01:09:24.740 Shoujo is for teen girls.

01:09:26.920 And then.

01:09:27.360 Oh, right, right.

01:09:27.660 Black Clover is Shonen Jump.

01:09:28.440 Yeah.

01:09:28.700 There are stories for older women.

01:09:30.800 There are stories about like divorce and, but that's aimed for older women where, uh,

01:09:37.540 Erica Sakurazawa, for instance, uh, makes stories for women who are, I guess what you would

01:09:43.300 now call like cat moms.

01:09:45.280 But like, I'm, I don't even mean it pejoratively.

01:09:47.400 Like she makes stories about like, she had bad luck and love and stuff.

01:09:51.260 And she's just trying to find her identity, even though she's in her late thirties, early

01:09:55.000 forties.

01:09:55.440 She's not married.

01:09:56.860 And you know what?

01:09:57.860 Women like to read stories like that over there because every demographic, every age

01:10:01.700 group and each of the sexes, I'm not going to use the word gender, uh, has certain tastes

01:10:07.420 on average.

01:10:08.200 I happen to like all comics because I'm a nerd, but, um, a man right now in our age, let's

01:10:15.280 say like I make, if me and Razor are making ghost of the badlands, mostly our demographics

01:10:19.920 is going to be men twenties and thirties and maybe forties who remember old Westerns or

01:10:26.060 their grandpas showed them old Westerns.

01:10:28.140 Like I used to watch a John Wayne movies with my grandpa.

01:10:30.720 Yeah.

01:10:30.820 But you're going to get, you're going to get mid to late teens.

01:10:34.080 Well, I don't even know if they're interested, but I would, I would happily show the book to

01:10:37.920 anybody.

01:10:38.580 But that's, that's the thing.

01:10:39.560 It's like the meme is a call of duty made for adults, played by kids, Splatoon made for

01:10:45.540 kids, played by adults.

01:10:46.480 That's what, what, what I think that's funny.

01:10:48.980 I think what happens a lot is some content will be like, it's made for teenagers, but

01:10:54.440 then younger kids are like, I want to be a teenager.

01:10:56.320 Like, I want to be cool.

01:10:57.180 Like I'll watch it.

01:10:57.960 I see.

01:10:58.380 They're inspired by it.

01:10:59.220 You know what I mean?

01:10:59.640 Yeah.

01:10:59.760 Like, well, we were probably a, what, less than 10 years old.

01:11:03.540 Mortal Kombat came out.

01:11:04.700 Oh man.

01:11:05.300 It was the coolest.

01:11:06.540 Bloody.

01:11:07.100 Yeah.

01:11:07.700 It was, they probably made it for like, they were trying to get that banned.

01:11:11.400 Weren't they?

01:11:11.660 Like they were complaining about it.

01:11:12.740 Yeah.

01:11:13.400 Like moral groups, moral groups, like Christian.

01:11:16.740 Mom groups.

01:11:17.940 And back when they slapped the parental advisory label on CDs and stuff.

01:11:21.740 Yeah.

01:11:21.980 Which only made it cooler.

01:11:22.900 I think that was Democrats that did that though, wasn't it?

01:11:24.820 It could have, like Al Gore's wife or something.

01:11:26.620 Yeah.

01:11:26.900 Tipper Gore.

01:11:27.460 Yeah.

01:11:27.640 But the irony was to us as younger people, that label meant, this is cool.

01:11:32.320 Watch this.

01:11:32.900 Yep.

01:11:33.560 So.

01:11:34.100 Your mom says you can't watch it.

01:11:36.020 Yeah.

01:11:36.120 Now you want to watch it.

01:11:36.700 The more you want to ban something, conservative friends of mine, you're going to make teenagers

01:11:41.340 want to see it.

01:11:42.160 So when we complain too much about like, don't watch this show or God, I don't even know if

01:11:48.680 I dare to say, but like, if you demonize drag queen stuff too much, you're going to make

01:11:54.040 it cool somehow.

01:11:55.460 Rebellious.

01:11:55.540 And you're going to make them want, I would watch occasionally, like, there were shows

01:12:00.620 about like sewing and stuff when I was dating my wife.

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01:13:29.880 My girlfriend at the time, cool shows about making costumes and stuff.

01:13:35.860 And there were drag queens coming on all the time and like showing it off.

01:13:38.300 And they were actually funny.

01:13:39.880 I would watch them.

01:13:40.780 I'm like, oh, I didn't know drag queens were funny.

01:13:42.780 But here's the thing about the drag queen stuff.

01:13:45.100 About 25% of Republican voters want to ban all drag queen stuff.

01:13:49.720 Most.

01:13:50.280 Not even like all, but.

01:13:52.160 Just for children.

01:13:53.720 Okay.

01:13:54.080 Oh, no, no, I'm sorry.

01:13:54.860 25% want to get rid of all.

01:13:56.180 No one can see it.

01:13:57.180 It's done.

01:13:57.980 Okay.

01:13:58.700 75% are some mix of just, just be an adult.

01:14:01.540 You can do your thing.

01:14:02.640 Yeah.

01:14:03.060 There's pros and there's cons to that.

01:14:05.260 One, it's like, we believe in freedom, man.

01:14:08.200 You want to, you want to dress up and do your show, do your show.

01:14:10.260 Just don't let the kid, don't bring the kids to sex performance.

01:14:12.940 But the cons then are the left does not feel the same way.

01:14:15.360 The left is actively trying to ban and shut down the other side.

01:14:18.580 They're turning it into a, they're making it sexy.

01:14:22.820 I don't mean sexy like actual sex.

01:14:24.780 Now we're seeing a bunch of memes and posts about kids who are rejecting this stuff on

01:14:29.760 the left.

01:14:30.260 Like there was a video in Canada of kids protesting a drag queen thing at the school

01:14:35.260 because look, man, I don't think conservatives have the ability to make something uncool by

01:14:41.940 being against it because there's not, there's not enough cultural force behind them.

01:14:46.160 So when Amazon, Walmart, Target, and the government says drag queens, the only thing to rebel against

01:14:52.740 is that.

01:14:53.620 Yes.

01:14:53.980 So the kids are actually being like, nah, get out of here.

01:14:56.040 You're weird.

01:14:56.720 The funny thing is kids want a thing that's only theirs.

01:15:00.120 Yeah.

01:15:00.520 Like teens.

01:15:01.280 If you start seeing creepy adults talking about your favorite hobby as a young person,

01:15:05.880 you think like, I don't want to be around these people.

01:15:08.400 First of all, they're going to be narcs or they're going to be creeps.

01:15:11.440 Like, yeah, but to be fair, that's, I think that is a mistake.

01:15:15.160 That's an, that's, I think it's an aberration when I've coming from skateboarding, there

01:15:21.520 will be a dad who has a five-year-old son or daughter and they will ride around on their

01:15:26.760 board, holding their child's hands, riding with them.

01:15:29.240 Those kids grow up hanging out with their, with their dad at the skate park and they,

01:15:34.460 they love it.

01:15:35.040 That's good.

01:15:35.620 There was, I think we lost this, that when kids would apprentice would be the apprentice

01:15:40.700 to their parents, they were deeply involved and would learn and inherit those abilities

01:15:45.040 and those morals and those ethics.

01:15:46.760 But now we completely sever ourselves so that parents are off at work and tell the kid to

01:15:50.960 go off and do your thing.

01:15:51.780 Yeah.

01:15:52.140 Now the kid's getting this influence from other places.

01:15:54.220 And there's too many, and there are adults who teach these influences, like let's say

01:15:59.440 a college professor or even a creepy teacher in school who will just get a little too close

01:16:04.200 to the kid and try to mentor them.

01:16:05.880 And it's like, get away from my kids, please.

01:16:08.440 But the parents aren't there.

01:16:09.440 But the kid likes the hobby and they want to learn more.

01:16:11.900 And then you end up like that, that karate teacher who got shot by the dad that time.

01:16:16.180 This is what I think parents need to do.

01:16:18.460 They need to make sure their kid is doing things with them.

01:16:22.120 If you, if you're a, like Matt Walsh should have his kids coming to work with him whenever

01:16:28.360 possible.

01:16:29.440 And then, and I tell people here at Timcast too, like within reason, like bring your kids.

01:16:34.340 And that's like, within reason for me is pretty wide birth.

01:16:37.440 You know, we don't want kids running around screaming, making a mess, but have your kids

01:16:40.120 here, let them see what you're doing and be involved and learn to be adults.

01:16:43.760 Cause what's happening is parents are being like, I'm going to work by, and the kid goes

01:16:47.080 to school and the only thing the kid has to rub off on, to, to, to, to absorb is these

01:16:52.320 wacko leftist teachers.

01:16:53.860 Yes.

01:16:54.360 And that's what's happening.

01:16:56.080 I've been, this is kind of a rabbit trail, but there's a painting by Francis, Francis,

01:17:00.740 Goya, the, the, the, the Titan eating his son, you know, that famous, like he's like,

01:17:05.980 it's like eating the head of his, it's Saturn eating his son.

01:17:09.840 I think it's Saturn eating.

01:17:10.920 It was one of Goya's black paintings.

01:17:12.440 Um, it's a really famous painting where, um, he's, yeah.

01:17:17.880 There's a, right, right, right.

01:17:19.000 Yep.

01:17:19.260 Yep.

01:17:19.480 I've been thinking for a while, like there's a sort of, it's Van Gogh, uh, Goya, Goya.

01:17:25.000 Yeah.

01:17:25.880 Um, the image of that is so relevant because a lot of parents of our generation are sort

01:17:32.540 of eating the, the next generation because they want to, it's a Rubens painting.

01:17:37.020 Oh, that's an awful painting.

01:17:40.760 Let me see.

01:17:43.260 Oh, that's another version of it.

01:17:44.720 Right.

01:17:44.880 But yeah.

01:17:45.140 I have the other one too.

01:17:46.020 That image basically, yeah, Rubens's is better.

01:17:49.680 Um, that painting was a story of, yeah, there was a prophecy that his, uh, I think his name

01:17:57.760 is Kronos, the Titan.

01:17:59.680 Yeah.

01:17:59.920 One of your children is going to overthrow you.

01:18:02.380 So in response, he ate all his children when they were born.

01:18:06.480 And I was thinking, you know, that's not only is that a story, but that's also a relevant

01:18:11.000 story to humanity in general.

01:18:13.180 Nowadays, like say even abortion, part of the reason why we are not necessarily eating our

01:18:20.400 children, but we are sacrificing the next generation so that our lives will be better.

01:18:25.740 Whereas an admirable parent will give themselves to the children and sacrifice themselves so

01:18:33.460 that the future will be better.

01:18:35.420 So we're, we're a generation of Saturns eating our children, metaphorically speaking.

01:18:40.720 And it's stupid because I, the reason I bring that up is because I was drawing.

01:18:44.440 Naruto.

01:18:44.740 Naruto.

01:18:45.980 Uh, eating?

01:18:47.280 The story of Naruto is that when the nine-tailed fox demon was about to destroy the leaf village,

01:18:55.260 the Hokage, basically the mayor, sacrifices himself to eternal damnation to save the village.

01:19:03.020 Ah.

01:19:03.540 He's, he, so, uh, quite literally to eternal damnation.

01:19:07.100 Uh, what, what does he do?

01:19:08.300 He's, he, uh, in order to seal the demon away, he commits his soul to the, uh, belly of

01:19:17.080 death itself.

01:19:18.800 And then he put the demon in Naruto?

01:19:21.240 And he split it in half.

01:19:22.500 Okay.

01:19:22.980 Cause he couldn't get, deal with all of it.

01:19:24.720 So he, half of it goes into his son and half of it goes into the belly of death, which is

01:19:29.640 a whole other story.

01:19:30.220 But anyway, sorry to derail.

01:19:31.320 The point of the story is the, the start of Naruto is the leader of the village sacrifices

01:19:37.380 his life to stop something from destroying his village.

01:19:40.240 It's not unlike with Harry Potter and his parents when they did the backfire and Voldemort

01:19:45.020 and all that stuff.

01:19:45.780 I love that.

01:19:46.420 But that, that kind of story has been told and retold for many thousands of years for

01:19:51.320 a reason.

01:19:52.060 It's so that we can understand the concept of, you have left as Harry Potter, dude.

01:19:57.240 What?

01:19:57.840 Oh yeah.

01:19:58.180 Finish that thought.

01:19:58.820 And I hate Hogwarts legacy for different reasons, but, um, yeah, the idea of the next generation

01:20:04.920 in order for humanity to continue, we have to give ourselves to the next generation, but

01:20:10.100 instead our generation has become nihilistic and selfish.

01:20:13.160 So let's consume the next generation and sacrifice it.

01:20:17.940 We gotta make, we gotta make leftist Harry Potter where it's, uh, Lily Potter brings Voldemort

01:20:24.200 to her house for an abortion.

01:20:26.020 Well, he's like, you know, you can just be a witch and live, uh, you don't even have to

01:20:31.500 worry about raising kids.

01:20:31.820 You want to get real dark with it?

01:20:33.560 Bro, you want to get real dark?

01:20:36.120 Harry Potter.

01:20:36.660 Lily Potter is pregnant and goes to a clinic where Voldemort puts her in stirrups and then

01:20:41.820 looks down and says, Avada Kedavra.

01:20:44.040 That is very funny.

01:20:44.940 And then she's like, thank you, doctor.

01:20:48.540 There.

01:20:49.380 Yeah.

01:20:50.300 For those that don't know, that's the, the, the killing spell.

01:20:53.480 Abracadabra.

01:20:54.400 Avada Kedavra kills.

01:20:56.400 And so it's like, she goes to the doctor and she's like, I don't want to have a baby.

01:20:59.800 And he's like, I'll take care of it.

01:21:00.680 It's Voldemort.

01:21:01.260 Like Avada Kedavra.

01:21:02.340 And then, you know, baby gone.

01:21:03.920 But yeah, there's, um, but again, we're, we're using what we're doing right now is

01:21:10.060 how you tell people morals and ethics throughout human history.

01:21:14.700 We tell stories to each other and unless we're making new stories and reinterpreting it for

01:21:20.200 new generations, the lessons and ethics will be lost.

01:21:23.540 You will not have a way to tell people like, Hey, if you work really hard, like Rocky, if

01:21:29.000 I say, we've got to be like Rocky, you know exactly what I mean without even, cause you

01:21:33.900 we've both seen the movie.

01:21:34.960 We've both loved the movie, but instead I, it's the eye of the tiger, man.

01:21:38.120 Right.

01:21:38.780 And we know what I are the tiger means, but to someone who didn't see it, we have to make

01:21:42.760 another Rocky movie about the eye of the tiger, but it's not called Rocky.

01:21:46.820 It's about somebody else.

01:21:48.040 They're still going to do like a reboot where Rocky is like a young Mexican woman.

01:21:51.600 Well, Creed is about that, right?

01:21:53.680 But Creed's good.

01:21:54.700 Well, no, I mean, yeah, it's, that's what they wanted to refresh the story of Rocky for the

01:21:59.220 new generation.

01:22:00.420 Yeah.

01:22:00.780 I, I've not actually seen it though, but, uh, but it's,

01:22:03.820 I've seen scenes from it.

01:22:04.920 I think it's a very, I mean, at risk of stepping out of my lane, as they say, like it's, it's

01:22:10.280 a relevant story for guys who grew up without their dads around, like young Creed, his dad

01:22:16.300 died obviously in Rocky three or no four.

01:22:18.800 And, um, you know, he didn't have his dad around.

01:22:21.000 He, he just sort of, he's very, uh, you know, he's living the, the kind of life where he doesn't

01:22:28.360 know who he wants to be.

01:22:29.520 And I feel like a lot of guys who grew up in inner cities, let's say have a similar background where

01:22:34.920 I don't know how, what a man is because I didn't grow up around my dad.

01:22:39.140 Yep.

01:22:39.540 I feel abandoned.

01:22:40.560 I, I'm, so I'm going to look up to bad role models and try to be a tough guy.

01:22:44.320 And then part of the story of Creed is he meets Rocky and it's like, Oh, I want to connect

01:22:48.740 with my, how can I know what kind of a man I want to be unless I have positive role models.

01:22:55.000 So a lot of guys our age who didn't grow up with, I mean, I'm not going to speak for other people.

01:22:59.780 I didn't grow up with my dad around, let's say.

01:23:01.780 So I would collect male role models in my life and say, I want to be like him in this way.

01:23:06.900 I want to be like him in this way.

01:23:08.400 I admire that.

01:23:09.580 I'm going to adopt a little bit of that.

01:23:11.500 And so a lot of younger people, like, again, the stories that connected with me are the stories

01:23:17.560 where like Naruto, there's a panel that really touched me.

01:23:20.840 And this sounds silly.

01:23:21.560 A bunch of kids were having their parents come and see their, um, I don't know.

01:23:27.840 It's like a progress report or whatever.

01:23:29.120 Yeah.

01:23:29.260 And then all the parents are like hugging the kids.

01:23:31.260 Oh, son, daughter, you did such a great job.

01:23:33.140 And Naruto is an orphan.

01:23:34.520 And so there's this panel.

01:23:36.080 It burned itself in my memory.

01:23:37.540 This panel, he's just staring blankly at all the kids with jealousy.

01:23:40.460 I'm like, Oh my God, I know exactly what that feels like.

01:23:43.680 And I loved it.

01:23:44.900 I never forgot that panel.

01:23:46.440 And so what, what did that instill in Naruto?

01:23:49.760 Two things.

01:23:50.680 One, he desperately wanted to be loved.

01:23:54.600 And two, he would do anything to protect, uh, he wanted, he wanted, he wanted recognition.

01:24:01.200 Yeah.

01:24:01.360 He wanted people to, to, to see him.

01:24:03.240 He wanted to be loved and recognized.

01:24:05.300 But also when he started to attain that admiration from like, um, Iruka, I think was his first teacher.

01:24:12.320 I could be getting the name wrong.

01:24:13.080 And, uh, the eye guy.

01:24:15.780 No, no, that's Kakashi.

01:24:16.860 Oh.

01:24:17.000 His first teacher when he was a little kid was like, like the preschool teacher was like a low level, you know, ninja or whatever, who the first person to actually be nice to him and take care of him.

01:24:26.480 He wouldn't let it go.

01:24:27.500 It's like he had to experience something that no one else had.

01:24:30.880 And then there was Sasuke, whose brother massacred his whole family, who lost it all.

01:24:35.260 And there was a contrast to it.

01:24:36.340 But the important thing to understand with Naruto is you have this kid who, uh, he grew up without knowing the love of, of, of his parent because his parents had, had died sacrificing themselves.

01:24:47.880 You know, I think I forgot how his mom died.

01:24:49.700 I think similarly.

01:24:51.260 And, uh, his, his dream then is to become the Hokage, which is the president basically, and protect everybody and not lose what he's now gained when people start to respect him and see him for who he is.

01:25:04.320 And I think the important thing to recognize there is that he is a, a powerful young man with spiky blonde hair who desperately wants attention, much like another, uh, world leader of, you know, with blonde hair who really wants attention and will stop at nothing to save this country.

01:25:18.080 Well, he does seem to be, uh, filling a gap in his heart.

01:25:22.760 There, there's, there's something that's like no reasonable person would keep doing what you're doing.

01:25:27.120 There's something in him that needs to be satisfied.

01:25:29.600 And I'm not going to speak to that, I suppose.

01:25:31.240 But I think, I think the story there is that he's jealous of all, like you mentioned, he wants everyone to love him, but it's because he didn't have the love probably he was jealous of what everyone else had.

01:25:44.660 And so he wants everyone to love him.

01:25:46.200 He, when he's a young, he lashes out to get attention.

01:25:48.440 But then as he gets older, he becomes like a, a, a, an unstoppable force.

01:25:54.740 What's interesting about that is that, that drive of, I want attention and affection can express itself in negative and positive ways, either jealousy and hatred, or I'm going to try to make people like me.

01:26:08.140 And some of the best writing I have ever read in my life.

01:26:12.160 Uh, you've seen, you've read all of, or read or watched all of Naruto?

01:26:15.500 Um, no.

01:26:16.580 More than half.

01:26:17.220 There is, uh, I've told this story before on iRob, I'll tell it now for everybody, because it's just, it is a masterpiece.

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01:27:52.940 Naruto is being trained by Kakashi, a very famous anime character who's got one eye covered.

01:27:59.820 And after the trio advance, all three.

01:28:06.400 So there's Sasuke, Naruto, and Sakura.

01:28:11.620 And they each get trained by one of the three legendary ninjas.

01:28:15.320 There's Jiraiya, the toad ninja.

01:28:18.320 Then there's Tsunade, the slug, and Orochimaru, the snake.

01:28:23.700 They're not really those things.

01:28:24.820 They have those elements.

01:28:25.940 They're ancient Japanese legendary characters.

01:28:27.880 The story of Jiraiya saving Tsunade from Orochimaru is a famous Japanese legend.

01:28:31.740 So these three main characters go on to train with these three legendary ninjas.

01:28:37.380 The story of Jiraiya is that he had once, he was traveling during the Great Ninja War.

01:28:44.600 And there was a country in between the other countries that was basically used as a battleground

01:28:49.300 because of its location.

01:28:50.140 And it was just wrecked and destroyed.

01:28:52.320 It's the land of, I think, rain.

01:28:54.400 And he comes across these three kids who are orphans, who are fighting and desperate for

01:28:58.160 survival.

01:28:58.480 And he says, I'm going to train you because what's happened to your country is wrong.

01:29:02.160 One of the kids' name is Nagato.

01:29:05.920 And this kid is like naturally gifted and has this ability, which is shocking to Jiraiya.

01:29:10.000 Jiraiya trains him.

01:29:11.560 One day, Nagato says something to him that inspires Jiraiya, who goes on to write a book

01:29:17.060 basically about this kid called Naruto.

01:29:22.440 Jiraiya, having been the teacher to Naruto's parents, name their son after the character in

01:29:28.500 the book.

01:29:28.780 Later on in life, when Naruto is trying to fight this evil globalist organization, I kid

01:29:36.040 you not, it's called Akatsuki and they're globalists.

01:29:39.440 They want mass power to unite the world under their boot.

01:29:43.280 The main guy, his name is Pain, and he has the ability to basically control other, control

01:29:49.560 corpses.

01:29:50.760 When Naruto finally confronts the actual dude, let me slow down.

01:29:56.180 Now, Jiraiya goes to confront Pain and dies.

01:30:02.440 When you first encounter this character, Pain, it is, you know, like it's a bunch of different

01:30:08.240 weird people, all seemingly under the control of one person.

01:30:12.660 Naruto eventually confronts the real Pain, who's puppeteering these corpses.

01:30:17.520 Yeah.

01:30:17.660 And it's Nagato.

01:30:19.440 And he's like gaunt and frail because he doesn't use his body.

01:30:23.460 He controls others.

01:30:25.460 Naruto defeats Nagato.

01:30:29.420 And when he does, he refuses to kill him and then espouses a quote about his ethos, about

01:30:37.900 how, I don't know the exact quote, but he basically says, my ninja way, I will save the

01:30:43.200 world.

01:30:43.900 I will be the hero to stop hatred once and for all.

01:30:46.580 And then Nagato, who is desperately trying to kill Naruto because he's an evil globalist,

01:30:51.980 has this profound moment where he says to Naruto, where did you hear that?

01:30:57.360 That's like, why are you saying that to me?

01:31:00.020 And then Naruto is basically like, Jiraiya, my teacher, you know, instilled these ideas

01:31:05.920 in me.

01:31:07.840 Naruto was a young man who had defeated Nagato and then espoused his own ethos back to him,

01:31:15.220 which he had abandoned.

01:31:16.800 So Nagato, who is now his evil globalist, is beaten and then hears a kid say to him

01:31:22.380 exactly what his ideals were and it rips him to shreds.

01:31:26.380 That moment was just like a culmination of all of this writing that clearly was planned

01:31:31.800 out and was masterful.

01:31:33.640 The name Naruto.

01:31:35.420 So I'm just thinking about, imagine being a dude in your 30s and you're on this mission

01:31:39.920 of conquest.

01:31:41.120 And then you come across a kid who is named after you without you knowing.

01:31:44.640 Who then tells you your own ethos back to you, reminding you of how you've abandoned

01:31:49.580 goodness to become evil.

01:31:51.220 And then this triggers a turn.

01:31:54.680 Like, I was just fucking masterpiece.

01:31:57.580 That reminds me.

01:31:58.420 I just can't.

01:31:58.920 I can't even.

01:31:59.480 And then, and then pain Nagato changes and immediately helps Naruto and says, I can't

01:32:06.720 believe what I've become.

01:32:07.500 Like the embodiment of all of his ideals standing before him.

01:32:10.440 Like just brilliant, brilliant writing.

01:32:13.480 There's a quote that I like to, it reminded me of what you just told me is the pain ends

01:32:18.540 with me.

01:32:19.400 There's like, um, there's people who have a lot of bitterness in their lives or whatever

01:32:25.940 because people were mean to them or they were bullied or even abused or something.

01:32:29.420 And they have the option in, in their adulthood, let's say they were, they were hit as a kid

01:32:36.000 or something instead of sort of just taking it and holding it and never, never passing

01:32:42.540 it on.

01:32:43.280 The psychic pain is so much that they have to pass it on because that it feels at the time

01:32:49.820 like it's going to like, uh, be a relief or something.

01:32:52.920 But what you end up doing is passing it to the next generation.

01:32:57.360 So there's this generational, um, let's say alcoholism or something.

01:33:02.440 If someone's, uh, father was an alcoholic or they were abused in other ways, you, you

01:33:09.060 have, it takes like superhuman discipline and, uh, self-control and to say like, I'm going

01:33:16.500 to end that cycle that has been passed on.

01:33:19.300 Like if someone's dad was beaten when he was a kid and some, that's, that I'm just using

01:33:25.020 examples, right?

01:33:26.740 So there's examples of somebody who has like a psychic wound that they received when they

01:33:30.900 were a kid.

01:33:31.500 It's not their fault that they had it, but they can or cannot, they might not pass it

01:33:37.180 on.

01:33:37.900 I would use an extreme example of, you know, people talk about the grooming things and

01:33:42.180 that's why the drag kid story hour freaks out so many people.

01:33:45.340 A lot of, I want to say this with sensitivity because I don't know if it's true.

01:33:49.280 They say a lot of people who are in those, the LGBT rainbow stuff were hurt as kids.

01:33:55.860 Yeah.

01:33:56.060 And so you guys being around kids freaks me out because what if your psychic wound is

01:34:03.180 saying, I want to pass it on?

01:34:04.860 Well, it is.

01:34:06.000 But the best way, like I, it's not your fault that you were hurt as a kid.

01:34:09.740 I want to tell them, but like, just don't let yourself be in a setting where you can pass

01:34:14.360 it on.

01:34:14.740 But so, so think about the problem we're facing right now with, you know, conservatives

01:34:19.740 saying anime and cartoons are demonic or bad.

01:34:22.320 They're literally saying a positive masculine influence for my child is a bad thing they

01:34:27.480 shouldn't have.

01:34:28.340 So then what's the alternative?

01:34:29.980 The chaos of drag queen story hour?

01:34:32.960 The kids will find entertainment somewhere.

01:34:36.240 And it's, but it's, it's.

01:34:39.340 Wolf Cubs play fight.

01:34:41.000 Yeah.

01:34:41.240 Imagine if you were saying like, no, no, no, no.

01:34:44.080 You shouldn't be allowed to be inspired by these stories of masculinity and strength.

01:34:47.240 The story of Naruto is whenever he confronts a villain, he tries not to kill them.

01:34:52.780 He tries to turn them to convince them.

01:34:54.560 And then he's successful in many regards.

01:34:56.820 The same thing is true for Dragon Ball Z.

01:34:59.100 Dragon Ball Z, like almost all the villains somehow become good guys.

01:35:02.720 Like even Frieza has an arc where he teams up with them.

01:35:05.960 It's amazing.

01:35:06.740 It's funny.

01:35:07.340 Yeah.

01:35:07.480 Yeah.

01:35:07.920 I mean, with Dragon Ball Z, they convert all their enemies.

01:35:10.320 Krillin was a rival to Goku.

01:35:11.720 Then they're best friends.

01:35:12.880 Vegeta tries to destroy the earth and then literally becomes the second greatest hero.

01:35:17.880 I love how they do that.

01:35:19.800 If you're saying these stories of like Dragon Ball Z, let's talk about that.

01:35:24.660 Goku trains at 100 times gravity to become strong enough to save his friends.

01:35:29.840 Frieza.

01:35:30.100 Don't worry about the names of the characters.

01:35:32.160 The bad guy kills his best friend and then Goku loses it and then his power tremendously increases out of rage.

01:35:40.120 You don't want young boys to learn the lesson of struggle, become stronger, improve yourself, be the hero, sacrifice.

01:35:50.420 What are they going to get if they don't have that?

01:35:52.840 What they're going to get is it's going to be RuPaul's Drag Race.

01:35:55.880 Yes.

01:35:56.120 They're going to get whatever they can from TV because you're saying this is bad.

01:35:59.420 Which is ironic because conservatives would agree with the statement of training makes you stronger, helping your friends makes you stronger.

01:36:07.700 Captain America, dude.

01:36:08.620 They're preventing their kids from watching things, like you said, from the very things that will make them have the values that you want to pass to them.

01:36:16.680 Here's what you got to do.

01:36:18.280 Okay, conservatives.

01:36:19.200 You give your kids Batman, Superman, Naruto, Black Clover.

01:36:24.740 Let them discover it though.

01:36:26.000 It has to be theirs, not yours.

01:36:27.360 But I'm not so sure, but I see what you're saying.

01:36:31.580 But here's the point.

01:36:32.300 The point is they go to their friends and they'll say, look at this thing that I have.

01:36:37.060 It's so cool.

01:36:38.080 Look at this thing I found in the basement.

01:36:39.860 It's called Dragon Ball.

01:36:41.480 Yep, that's right.

01:36:43.120 But I don't think it's always true that if dad's doing it, the kids think it's uncool.

01:36:48.620 No, no, that's probably, yeah.

01:36:50.800 But it has to be something that's special to them and they just want to devour it.

01:36:55.480 Right.

01:36:56.560 I think, you know, the way I got into anime was just through a friend.

01:37:00.820 Like my parents obviously weren't into that stuff.

01:37:03.240 Yeah.

01:37:03.420 But my dad brought me to go see the Batman movies and stuff like that.

01:37:09.380 My family would bring me to go see all that stuff.

01:37:11.480 I had a church friend corrupt me.

01:37:13.380 Back when Adult Swim and the Sci-Fi Channel had like old Appleseed and Dominion Tank Police,

01:37:21.280 even before Ghost in the Shell became hot.

01:37:23.240 And he corrupted me with all this, like, look, I can download all this anime for free.

01:37:27.560 I'll burn you a CD with Berserk on it.

01:37:29.660 I'm like, what is Berserk?

01:37:31.120 Oh my God.

01:37:31.800 And I was way too young to be watching this stuff, but it was still awesome.

01:37:36.420 Akira, Ghost in the Shell is not for kids, but as a kid, I watched it and I was like,

01:37:40.220 this is the coolest.

01:37:41.420 This is for adults.

01:37:42.460 This is mine.

01:37:43.660 I think they might not like Ghost in the Shell.

01:37:46.120 It's so transhumanist.

01:37:47.300 And kids shouldn't watch Berserk.

01:37:48.780 Fine.

01:37:49.020 But if they do happen to watch Berserk, first of all, it's pimp and it's the bomb and whatever.

01:37:55.960 But that's where kids want to see things that maybe the parents would not allow them to see

01:38:03.100 because they're attracted to the idea of what's this forbidden knowledge that I'm ready to learn

01:38:09.140 about this stuff.

01:38:09.900 I'm ready to watch gore and learn about sexy stuff or whatever, but I'm too embarrassed

01:38:14.140 to ask my mom and dad about it.

01:38:15.700 But the danger is instead of asking someone who might tell you a responsible answer,

01:38:20.440 they're going to creepos online.

01:38:22.440 And that's why I'm scared of like kids being exposed to like, there are certain types of

01:38:27.020 YouTubers who are the cool, creepy youth pastor types who do watch these shows and tell,

01:38:33.700 but they'll guide them to like places where no, you shouldn't be going there.

01:38:37.220 This is it.

01:38:37.680 I mean, some kid is going to go to their parents or they're going to be around their parents

01:38:40.860 are going to say, I found this thing I like.

01:38:42.240 And the dad's going to be like, no, that's bad.

01:38:43.740 Yeah.

01:38:44.220 And they're going to be like, okay, I can't go to my dad or mom with that.

01:38:46.720 I'm going to do it in secret and watch it.

01:38:48.440 And I'm going to go find the creepy internet person who tells me I feel good.

01:38:50.800 Yeah.

01:38:50.940 The rabbit holes where they're not supposed to be.

01:38:52.360 You got that dude.

01:38:53.160 I don't want to say his name who has those videos where he's such a Pennywise, the clown

01:38:58.480 character.

01:38:58.880 And he's like, tell your parents, no, run away from them, hide from your parents.

01:39:03.800 It'll feel good.

01:39:04.520 It's like, wow, this dude's evil.

01:39:06.700 And there's lots of those types.

01:39:08.280 Yep.

01:39:08.480 But why not fathers, especially fathers, like why not watch anime with your kids, pre-screen

01:39:15.460 them and find the cool ones if you want to, but do not let your kids just float around

01:39:20.680 the internet, finding stuff that, that can lead them into weird, like that.

01:39:25.500 I don't remember that guy's name even, but I know exactly who you're talking about.

01:39:28.180 I don't want to say his name.

01:39:29.080 Okay.

01:39:29.520 We're not, I don't want to give him.

01:39:30.620 I know who you mean though.

01:39:31.360 But it's this evil dude who makes these videos where he tells kids to like ignore their parents

01:39:35.140 to run from them.

01:39:35.980 It's like, it's demonic stuff.

01:39:37.460 But that, that's how these types of people find kids who, and even kids without their

01:39:42.800 parents around, Hey, I'll be your family.

01:39:45.380 I'm your found family.

01:39:46.840 Yep.

01:39:47.220 Why don't we hang out?

01:39:48.180 And then, you know, they can do whatever they want to the kid or plant whatever memes

01:39:52.640 and seeds into their kid's head.

01:39:54.320 But that's how these weirdos replicate.

01:39:57.540 They find vulnerable kids.

01:39:59.380 I hate to say it that way.

01:40:00.320 They find vulnerable kids and then there's just more and more of them.

01:40:04.000 And it can be stopped by parents just being a part of their kids' hobbies.

01:40:08.260 We, we are not supposed to, as a species, separate ourselves from our children the way

01:40:12.220 we do.

01:40:13.080 Fair.

01:40:13.660 That, that a dad says, I'm off to work kids and leaves is an aberration, which is causing

01:40:18.920 societal decay.

01:40:20.060 It used to be you would, the dad would wake up and say blacksmith and he, and the, and

01:40:24.900 the kid is now 10 years old.

01:40:26.220 Like kingdom come.

01:40:27.000 And he'd, he'd, he'd, he'd go into the, the, the, you know, his, his workshop and

01:40:31.500 to be like, son, get in here.

01:40:33.160 I need a pail of water.

01:40:35.300 Yes, dad.

01:40:36.060 And the kid is with his dad the whole time.

01:40:38.420 Yeah.

01:40:38.660 Learning from his dad.

01:40:39.580 The daughter's with the mom and as a family, they're learning and working with the community.

01:40:44.180 We got to this point in industrialization where it's like, I'm going to work and you

01:40:48.540 will never see what I do.

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01:42:20.340 Parents from instilling their skills, values, and assets to their children.

01:42:24.520 And then we put kids in schools, institutionalized learning facilities, so that government could

01:42:30.040 train them.

01:42:30.480 To train them to be more drones like the parents in the industrial.

01:42:35.380 Parents got to bring their kids to work.

01:42:37.320 Yeah.

01:42:37.860 That's why I tell people here, I'm like, dude, it is a cultural shit that needs to go back.

01:42:42.500 Like, whenever you're able, we have work parties and stuff.

01:42:46.280 I'll be like, bring your kids, man.

01:42:47.660 And no one should have a problem with it.

01:42:49.840 Human beings should not be like, oh, the baby's crying.

01:42:53.900 I'm angry about it.

01:42:54.580 No, too bad.

01:42:55.360 Too bad.

01:42:56.240 If somebody who works here is like, I'd like to come to the work event, but I have the

01:43:00.240 kids, bring them.

01:43:01.320 Yeah.

01:43:01.420 And if anyone has an issue with that, I'm simply going to say to them, like, dude, human

01:43:04.940 beings are this way.

01:43:06.720 That's it.

01:43:07.320 That's it.

01:43:07.860 Too many parents of our generation act like their kids are a burden.

01:43:10.900 Yep.

01:43:11.240 It's like...

01:43:12.140 But not only that, like when I hear...

01:43:13.880 I don't get mad when I hear babies crying.

01:43:15.480 I'm not annoyed by it.

01:43:16.420 I'm not frustrated by it.

01:43:17.580 It makes me smile.

01:43:18.980 Like, not the baby suffering or anything.

01:43:20.420 It makes me panic.

01:43:20.840 Like, oh, we got to help them.

01:43:22.060 Right.

01:43:22.320 But then you learn the difference between actual crying and I just want attention crying.

01:43:26.740 Sure.

01:43:27.220 When I'm on a plane and I hear a baby crying, I don't get angry about it.

01:43:32.040 And I hear the mom saying, like, I can hear like the parents trying to get the baby to

01:43:35.440 stop, stop crying, stop crying.

01:43:36.540 It makes me laugh.

01:43:37.560 I'm like, this is life.

01:43:38.740 These are humans.

01:43:40.020 This is what babies do.

01:43:41.700 So if someone has kids, those kids should periodically visit work.

01:43:46.720 I understand some things can be disruptive.

01:43:48.880 You can't have little kids running around knocking over milk and stuff like that.

01:43:51.380 But within reason, at a certain age, especially like once a kid's like nine years old, they're

01:43:58.560 old enough to watch their parent work, whatever that work may be, and be involved.

01:44:03.960 I probably have this in me because my family opened a coffee shop and I am nine years old

01:44:08.580 and I'm working the register.

01:44:10.380 I am refilling the chili.

01:44:12.180 I am stocking the muffins.

01:44:14.000 And that's how things used to be.

01:44:15.760 You worked with your family.

01:44:17.240 And so you learned these values and you earned something from it.

01:44:19.980 So I'm a little kid.

01:44:21.120 I bought Pokemon Red with my own money.

01:44:23.380 I had a tip jar.

01:44:24.740 The only thing I'd get was tips.

01:44:26.460 And then once I had, I think it was 40 bucks.

01:44:28.180 I went and I bought Pokemon Red and it was mine.

01:44:30.620 Well, that explains why you want to open a cafe.

01:44:33.280 Well, I mean, not so much.

01:44:34.620 Cafes are just, to be honest, they're kind of easy.

01:44:36.840 It's easy to do.

01:44:38.240 It's a sure shot.

01:44:41.600 People want coffee.

01:44:42.380 People want to get coffee.

01:44:43.280 It's a fun place to hang out.

01:44:44.300 We want to make a watering hole.

01:44:45.440 And then I have the added benefit of my mom's opened one before and knows how to do it.

01:44:48.560 So she's helping.

01:44:49.980 But it's why I think kids should have jobs.

01:44:52.800 And the left, they get so offended by this.

01:44:55.300 And conservatives are such spineless losers that I have no problem saying children should

01:45:00.880 have jobs.

01:45:02.100 I ain't talking about a coal mine, dude.

01:45:03.780 I'm talking about a paper route.

01:45:05.280 I'm talking about, you know, working at the family business, the grocery store.

01:45:09.120 Little vocations.

01:45:09.820 Like, kids are very, I've, all right, so I have lots of family members that I've watched

01:45:15.520 grow up.

01:45:16.100 And they are so curious and passionate about everything when they're that age growing up.

01:45:22.180 They want to ask you a million questions.

01:45:23.740 They want to shadow you.

01:45:24.600 I've had, I'm not going to say what kind of family members out of privacy.

01:45:28.320 But like, when I'm working at my desk drawing, they will hover.

01:45:32.520 What are you doing now?

01:45:33.520 How are you doing that?

01:45:34.440 How do you draw that?

01:45:35.260 Hey, look at this drawing I made.

01:45:36.680 They're so interested just because they're seeing an adult do it.

01:45:39.600 And their mirror reflex, we're all born with it.

01:45:42.700 They, I want to copy the thing that I'm fascinated by.

01:45:45.540 If they're just, they will osmose anything they're around.

01:45:49.120 So why not have them around?

01:45:51.000 That's a great idea.

01:45:51.760 Have them around the parents, have them around a vocation, and they will learn those things

01:45:55.940 instead of whatever garbage they'll find from strangers.

01:45:59.540 And I think Matt Walsh, it'd be a good example.

01:46:04.180 I think his kids should watch a large portion of his commentary and they should watch him do

01:46:08.160 it.

01:46:08.400 It's fair.

01:46:09.360 I say a large portion because I understand there are things inappropriate for kids.

01:46:12.140 And if Matt is targeting high level, you know, adult subjects, obviously not that, but having

01:46:17.300 your kids around, I'm not saying he doesn't do this.

01:46:19.480 I'm just saying using him as an example, you should bring your kids to work and tell them

01:46:24.140 sit and watch.

01:46:25.380 Here's how I work.

01:46:26.400 They can learn those things.

01:46:28.020 I like the examples of like guys who go to the range.

01:46:30.560 They're teaching their kids how to responsibly use firearms and stuff.

01:46:33.920 Yeah.

01:46:34.180 And except for that one guy who gave his daughter, we gave her an Uzi fully auto.

01:46:38.460 Wow.

01:46:38.900 Yeah.

01:46:39.020 There's, there, there, there are, there are irresponsible parents and just because they're

01:46:42.740 irresponsible parents doesn't mean you don't teach your kid gun safety or, you know, how

01:46:46.760 to, how to, how to work out.

01:46:47.300 It makes it more important to be responsible.

01:46:49.340 Yeah.

01:46:50.260 Obviously don't give weapons to kids who aren't, I just use that as an example.

01:46:55.260 Maybe it's a bad example.

01:46:56.000 I, I feel like so much of what we hear in movies and TVs, anti-child propaganda, to be

01:47:00.520 honest, like the people saying like, oh, I was on a plane, the baby wouldn't shut up.

01:47:04.180 And it's just like, ask yourself why you're mad about that.

01:47:07.760 Serious question though.

01:47:08.840 Selfish.

01:47:09.600 I, I just don't get annoyed by crying babies.

01:47:13.240 Never.

01:47:13.800 For any reason.

01:47:14.460 I don't get annoyed by kids at all.

01:47:17.020 I'm at a restaurant and there are kids and they're, they're acting up and the parents

01:47:20.260 are getting angry.

01:47:21.220 I'm laughing about it.

01:47:22.860 I'm like, this is human life, man.

01:47:24.740 In that vein too, I've never understood the obsession with trying to be permanently young.

01:47:29.660 Like I can understand not wanting to die, but this idea of people getting plastic surgery

01:47:34.220 to look younger.

01:47:34.860 I'm like, dude, being old is a part of being human.

01:47:38.700 Live.

01:47:39.220 It's like when you find pictures of high schools in the eighties, they tried to make themselves

01:47:42.800 look older.

01:47:44.020 That I understand though.

01:47:45.380 You want to be like the adults.

01:47:47.740 And yeah.

01:47:48.120 And now adults want to be like young people, which is puzzling.

01:47:51.700 Right.

01:47:52.220 You know, obviously I'm afraid of more, more mortality.

01:47:55.680 So I want to look as young and fresh as possible that I can understand.

01:47:59.740 I always look, I understand like when you're old, you, you, your bones get achy.

01:48:04.060 I'm wrinkly.

01:48:04.340 Your muscles hurt.

01:48:05.260 I don't care about the wrinkles.

01:48:06.560 I don't care about the gray.

01:48:07.340 I got gray hair in my beard.

01:48:08.240 I'm seeing the reaper's hand on my shoulders.

01:48:10.640 So I want to look, I'm not saying I, George, but I understand why someone would want to

01:48:14.960 look younger because they, they're afraid of death.

01:48:17.220 Fine.

01:48:17.440 I get that.

01:48:19.140 Yeah.

01:48:19.500 But I guess my thing is people, it's, it's, it's the idea I'm trying to bring up is, is

01:48:26.400 about children for the most part, how we create these tropes that having children are, is bad.

01:48:32.420 They say, don't, don't have kids because can you afford it?

01:48:35.700 Who has ever been able to afford kids?

01:48:37.820 I mean, obviously there are rich people who can.

01:48:39.520 Look at pictures of the depression.

01:48:41.000 Right.

01:48:41.500 Huge families.

01:48:41.960 In the great depression, people had kids.

01:48:44.180 And unfortunately, back in those days, a lot of the kids, you know, they got like really

01:48:48.200 sick and they would die of starvation or something.

01:48:50.780 But like, I'm not, and we're in the generation where that kind of thing almost can never happen.

01:48:56.320 It's just, it's just really, to be honest, like the crying baby, annoying people is really

01:49:00.280 confusing to me.

01:49:01.260 I think it's, it's something, it's just selfishness.

01:49:04.880 I know people our age who talk smack about their kids as if it's like a burden and that,

01:49:10.120 I mean, not to say too much, but you know, I would love to have kids.

01:49:13.660 I don't yet.

01:49:14.520 We've been trying, you know, as we get older, maybe it gets harder or something, but it's

01:49:17.800 like, I'm, I'm genuinely jealous.

01:49:19.660 Like I was at the diner this morning.

01:49:21.120 I saw a really sweet family, two kids.

01:49:23.080 One of the kids was looking at me and making faces and I'm making faces back.

01:49:26.100 And I'm like, man, you know, I really wish I had a family like that.

01:49:29.960 Yeah.

01:49:30.300 And it's like, I hope to.

01:49:31.620 You all get started.

01:49:32.220 I would love to.

01:49:32.880 You gotta have 12 kids.

01:49:33.420 You know, whatever.

01:49:34.280 Pray for me if you guys are of that.

01:49:36.380 So it's like, yeah, I would love to.

01:49:38.020 And it's like, it hurts my feelings when I see people our age saying bad things about their

01:49:42.640 kids.

01:49:42.920 And it's like, you don't know how blessed you are.

01:49:45.480 Look at people who can't have kids or are struggling.

01:49:47.740 And man, maybe it's a grass is greener kind of thing, but.

01:49:52.200 The grass is greener.

01:49:53.160 No question.

01:49:54.000 Hands down.

01:49:54.600 But at the end of our lives, it's so much better to be surrounded by family.

01:49:59.040 That's, that's my point.

01:50:00.160 Yeah.

01:50:00.560 The grass is greener, period.

01:50:02.380 No question.

01:50:03.200 And everyone knows it.

01:50:04.920 Yeah.

01:50:05.100 Cause I will, the point that I stressed with that Chelsea Handler thing, you saw that

01:50:08.960 video.

01:50:09.560 She's like, I wake up at six in the morning, do drugs and masturbate.

01:50:12.080 And I'm happy.

01:50:12.660 It's like, okay, well, look, this is a fact.

01:50:16.640 You will be on your deathbed.

01:50:18.540 And if you go the Chelsea Handler route, a nurse will walk in and say, I'm sorry, it

01:50:25.100 is terminal.

01:50:25.780 Is there anyone we should call?

01:50:27.540 And you will say no.

01:50:29.140 And they'll say, press the button if you need anything.

01:50:31.720 Nursing home.

01:50:32.240 And then you're just sitting on this bed, waiting to die, staring at the wall.

01:50:36.220 Or you can be like Murph in Interstellar.

01:50:39.580 And you'll, you'll be surrounded.

01:50:40.680 The doctor will say, I'm sorry, it's terminal.

01:50:42.280 Yeah.

01:50:42.500 And then, then you'll be holding the hand of your, your husband or, or wife or son or

01:50:48.140 daughter with all of your children and their grandchildren around saying, we love you.

01:50:52.080 And we're here for you.

01:50:52.980 And you can smile knowing that everything you hold dear, all your values, your dreams

01:50:57.000 and ambitions have been imbued in these people that you have created who will carry

01:51:01.740 on your vision for eternity.

01:51:03.880 Or you can die in a sterile environment knowing that you masturbated and did drugs at six in

01:51:07.460 the morning.

01:51:07.740 You know, I could tell a personal account of that.

01:51:11.320 Last time I visited you guys back in August, I was in a rush to get back home.

01:51:16.560 Cause my grandmother was in hospice care or something.

01:51:19.780 Like there are places where they can put you in a home, but it's like, you're dying.

01:51:24.460 You're not going to make it.

01:51:25.300 Hospice.

01:51:25.920 She had like stage four cancer or something.

01:51:28.060 And in the few weeks after I came back home, it was in September.

01:51:32.280 We took turns, all the grandchildren and all of her children, my grandmother had, I'm not

01:51:37.520 going to say the exact number, I guess, but there was like 15 people taking turns visiting

01:51:41.180 her in her house, taking care of her.

01:51:44.040 And man, I think she was so proud.

01:51:47.200 I mean, there's obviously like little family, like, uh, it wasn't perfect, but like we took

01:51:54.760 turns taking care of her.

01:51:55.960 And my grandma, like the sweetest woman you've ever met, she was 90.

01:51:59.420 She was like losing weight.

01:52:00.520 She was, you know, it was very sad, but she's like telling me, I'm sorry that you're here

01:52:05.320 and that you have to take care of me.

01:52:06.420 It's like, you took care of all of us and now it's our turn to take care of you.

01:52:10.340 And that is probably one of the best ways you can go surrounded by family.

01:52:15.100 Where did that go?

01:52:16.760 It's like, how do we get to this point where-

01:52:18.320 My grandma was from the old country though.

01:52:19.960 No, but I, yeah.

01:52:20.780 Yeah.

01:52:21.100 I just mean like, where, where did it go?

01:52:22.640 How do we get to the point where it's like, oh, my parent is ailing time to put them in

01:52:26.380 a home so I can forget about it.

01:52:27.540 We're selfish.

01:52:28.360 Evil.

01:52:28.900 We, I will, I want to give people room to come back and I'm not going to call them evil,

01:52:34.600 but like, let's not be selfish.

01:52:36.260 I'm saying it is evil.

01:52:37.040 It is an evil thing.

01:52:38.080 Yeah.

01:52:38.180 Yeah.

01:52:38.560 But like, it's such a huge, it's very painful.

01:52:41.260 I'll tell you guys that.

01:52:42.220 Like people want to avoid pain in our generation, especially, I get that.

01:52:46.120 We're very avoidant of pain.

01:52:48.000 Yeah.

01:52:48.320 But like, there is, I'll never forget these memories of like, I was holding my grandmother

01:52:52.740 up.

01:52:53.560 She was lying down on the couch.

01:52:54.840 We had to pick her up and she would like drink water and just like little sips of water.

01:52:59.800 She couldn't even eat.

01:53:00.500 It's like, we were crying like nonstop, but it's like, we honored her so much, but people

01:53:06.520 in our generation, because they're afraid of the pain of doing that, I think they're

01:53:11.340 avoiding it.

01:53:12.200 Maybe the reason they don't have kids is because they're avoiding, what if something happens

01:53:15.540 to the kid?

01:53:16.220 I think we're just becoming permanent children.

01:53:19.100 Selfish.

01:53:19.700 But that's, yeah, a child is innocent and avoids pain.

01:53:24.220 Adults have to bear responsibility.

01:53:26.660 And because we're such a fragile generation.

01:53:29.540 Adults are Piccolo standing in front of Gohan, absorbing the blast to save him.

01:53:35.240 Why not?

01:53:35.700 That's the meme.

01:53:36.620 You'd see this, the one with spaghetti.

01:53:38.520 No.

01:53:39.060 There's a, so in Dragon Ball Z, manga and anime, Piccolo is previously an enemy.

01:53:46.040 You know what I'm talking about now?

01:53:47.400 Previously an enemy of the main character, Goku.

01:53:49.640 And then in Dragon Ball Z, in the beginning, the villain tries to kill Goku's son and Piccolo

01:53:56.260 stands in front of the, the, the blast absorbing it to save the child.

01:54:01.560 Raddatz?

01:54:02.540 I think it was Raddatz.

01:54:03.860 Yeah.

01:54:04.240 Probably Raddatz.

01:54:05.280 And then, uh, I don't know if he dies from it.

01:54:08.200 Does he die?

01:54:08.480 He does.

01:54:09.420 And then they have to go to Namek as it happens.

01:54:11.460 So maybe it was, yeah, they have to go to Namek to-

01:54:14.640 To bring him back.

01:54:15.820 Yeah.

01:54:16.040 Because the Dragon Balls aren't there.

01:54:17.140 But, but someone took a bunch of spaghetti and they took the doll and they put the spaghetti

01:54:20.980 in front of them because it looks like an energy blast.

01:54:23.340 The spaghetti, the dry noodles.

01:54:25.700 But I think, yeah, that, that summarizes the problem with our generation is we're very

01:54:30.860 pain avoidant and selfish.

01:54:33.340 And I would like to encourage people in our generation to take on more pain so that you

01:54:40.140 can lessen the burden on other people.

01:54:41.880 Cause we are stronger than we think, but we were raised, I think public school raised us.

01:54:48.500 That's great.

01:54:49.900 Yeah.

01:54:50.100 Public school maybe taught us to like, uh, to avoid our responsibilities or something

01:54:55.300 like that.

01:54:56.620 Um, we, we are stronger than we think.

01:54:59.560 And I think we need to live as if that's true.

01:55:02.560 Yeah.

01:55:03.360 I think one of the problems we're facing right now is the infantilization of humanity in

01:55:07.620 general.

01:55:08.380 Everybody wants to be a permanent child to the point where they're like, you know, sterilizing

01:55:13.080 and castrating people that the, the Harry Potter meme for everything.

01:55:16.640 It's like, that's a children's book.

01:55:18.220 I like the story, but like grow up face, face reality.

01:55:23.280 And people don't want to do it.

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01:56:53.100 I think if we show ourselves facing reality and succeeding, people will become almost jealous

01:57:00.140 and want to have a piece of the action.

01:57:02.040 So that's how we can encourage people to also grab some responsibility.

01:57:07.020 Look how, look how good we're doing.

01:57:09.420 Look at this amazing empire you've built.

01:57:12.120 Nobody, nobody, nobody, I don't know, man.

01:57:14.460 I'm not saying they should emulate it.

01:57:15.980 People don't thrive or strive.

01:57:17.140 Like, I don't think people actually want to do, I'll put it this way.

01:57:23.420 I think people in our generation, for whatever reason, want the rewards, but not the journey.

01:57:30.860 They want to stand on top of the mountain and tell everyone they're there, but they don't

01:57:34.460 want to actually have to climb the mountain.

01:57:35.860 But climbing the mountain is the point.

01:57:38.220 It's like taking a gondola up to the mountain.

01:57:40.140 They, they, they, they, they want everyone to look at them for having been the person

01:57:45.080 who completed the journey.

01:57:46.200 Yeah.

01:57:46.440 They want to act like, they want to act like being on the peak is the reason to do the

01:57:51.280 journey, but it's like, no, it's all the XP you gained climbing.

01:57:55.060 I think, I think skateboarding shaped a lot of my worldview in this way.

01:57:58.260 There are people who sometimes strangely lie about doing tricks.

01:58:03.400 Like I, I did a kickflip down that, that stair set just so that people can recognize

01:58:07.680 them.

01:58:08.080 Cause the reward is the bragging rights.

01:58:09.980 The issue with skateboarding though, is people's response to that is you got the video

01:58:13.760 and it's like, no, it's like, well, show me the video.

01:58:17.020 There was a, there was one dude, I won't say his name, famous pro claimed he did this

01:58:21.660 massive trick down this massively famous location.

01:58:24.560 And the response from everybody was prove it and it was never proven.

01:58:29.860 So nobody believes it.

01:58:31.180 That's the thing.

01:58:32.540 It's like, there's a reason we film it to prove it.

01:58:35.360 But the other point, the other point is in skateboarding, you learn after you land that

01:58:40.720 trick, finally, you've been trying for so long, you get about a second or two of feeling

01:58:44.620 joy and then it's, it's gone.

01:58:46.300 And then the question is what now you have to keep on this journey, working hard every

01:58:52.240 day to keep that feeling going because you can't just do one trick and then wrap it up,

01:58:57.320 put the board away and be like, I'm done.

01:58:58.420 I did it.

01:58:58.760 Cause that feeling's gone.

01:58:59.760 Doesn't stick around and you can't lie.

01:59:01.800 There's no cheating in skateboarding.

01:59:03.660 And to earn the respect of your peers, you have to show how many hours you've put into

01:59:08.540 it.

01:59:09.160 Well, I mean, that is an interesting thing too.

01:59:11.140 Some people are naturally gifted.

01:59:12.300 And the question is like, can you do the trick and prove you did it and we'll respect it.

01:59:16.300 Yeah, it is, it is, it is though.

01:59:18.560 Interestingly, if you go to a skate park, if you right now, like you've not never skated

01:59:23.020 before I imagine, right?

01:59:23.880 Just a little, like not serious.

01:59:25.480 No, if you went there and you were standing in the grass trying to kickflip, nobody would

01:59:30.660 say anything.

01:59:31.700 If you started getting close to it, people would start clapping for you.

01:59:34.680 Yeah.

01:59:34.940 And then when you finally landed, everyone in the park would go, ah, now I'll cheer for

01:59:38.640 you.

01:59:38.860 Yeah.

01:59:39.360 Because skateboarding, it's only somewhat about being the best.

01:59:43.020 If someone comes in and they're really good, everyone's cheering and clapping for how good

01:59:45.680 they are.

01:59:46.740 But I'd say literally 100% of the times I've been at the skate park, you see, you know,

01:59:51.840 I'm 18 and there's a 50 year old guy and he clearly isn't that good.

01:59:55.300 And then he finally ollies over the curb.

01:59:57.820 Everyone starts clapping and cheering.

01:59:59.240 They high five him like you did it.

02:00:01.320 And what did you do?

02:00:02.440 You overcame yourself.

02:00:04.460 Yes.

02:00:04.880 That was the accomplishment.

02:00:06.860 Today, people want to just appear like they've done a thing.

02:00:10.100 So they're posting on social media.

02:00:11.600 They're trying to fit in.

02:00:12.400 They're trying to emulate things or imitate things.

02:00:14.600 That's the thing of, oh, people cheering for them.

02:00:17.900 And they're getting it through likes.

02:00:19.760 Yeah.

02:00:20.300 So when I go to a skate park, if I overcome myself, people cheer for me.

02:00:24.720 If I don't, nobody cares.

02:00:26.020 I show up to a skate park.

02:00:27.280 I'm skating at Wilson Skate Park in Chicago.

02:00:29.540 I go full speed, ollie up, do a nose grind on this high ledge.

02:00:34.340 Nobody cares.

02:00:35.040 Why?

02:00:35.560 Well, because I'm good at it.

02:00:36.960 Because it's something I'm really good at.

02:00:38.500 And it's just another day in the skate park.

02:00:39.940 Yeah.

02:00:40.000 But then I try to kickflip into it.

02:00:41.820 And I'm screwing it up and screwing it up.

02:00:43.300 And everyone's starting to like watch and like, come on, bro.

02:00:44.980 And they'll be like, all right, you got it this time.

02:00:47.460 They'll fist bump you.

02:00:48.500 Then you land it.

02:00:49.240 Then everyone's cheering for you because it could be the best trick in the world.

02:00:52.060 But you accomplished something.

02:00:53.400 You overcame yourself.

02:00:54.560 Nowadays, just go on social media, post a picture of your ass and get a thousand likes.

02:00:59.880 And each of those likes is someone fist bumping you.

02:01:01.900 So I think that's why Superman is not an exciting superhero compared to Batman, like we were

02:01:07.020 saying.

02:01:07.780 Superman can just punch anybody and he wins the day.

02:01:10.700 There's a limited struggle.

02:01:12.380 But look at how hard Batman has to fight just to like reach even a fraction of that.

02:01:17.200 But that's what makes the struggle is what makes it exciting.

02:01:19.760 It's like Rocky.

02:01:20.620 Although I really love that story arc where Batman goes missing.

02:01:23.680 So Superman puts on Batman's costume.

02:01:25.820 Do you ever see that one?

02:01:26.580 No, but that sounds fun.

02:01:27.600 And then like he confronts Bane and they think it's Batman and Bane's like, Batman.

02:01:32.460 And he's like, when he just stops him and they're like, what?

02:01:34.620 Because it's Superman.

02:01:35.820 Well, that's fun.

02:01:36.700 Yeah.

02:01:37.000 Right.

02:01:37.260 Right.

02:01:37.380 The reason we admire Batman in general is I think we're attracted to the.

02:01:42.920 But there is something about Superman that we, the godlike power and the restraint.

02:01:48.360 The power of fantasy, yeah.

02:01:49.640 Well, no, it's his moral values.

02:01:51.160 Oh, okay.

02:01:51.540 He doesn't kill.

02:01:52.760 He holds back.

02:01:53.780 So when they do create the injustice storyline where Superman becomes a tyrant, it was to

02:01:59.780 explore what if.

02:02:01.840 But I really do love, they screwed up the movie Batman versus Superman, in my opinion.

02:02:06.960 They had a really perfect opportunity.

02:02:09.080 So in this movie, which I'm sure many people have seen, Batman fears Superman's godlike powers.

02:02:15.320 And then he flashes back to when Zod was destroying, you know, I think Metropolis.

02:02:20.240 Yeah.

02:02:20.400 And, uh, and he's like, he must be stopped.

02:02:23.260 Total wasted opportunity in storytelling.

02:02:25.260 And this is the problem of modern storytelling, in my opinion.

02:02:29.320 Batman wants to kill Superman for, for, for that.

02:02:31.560 Just that what, what should have happened is Batman has Superman on the ground.

02:02:36.420 He's holding the kryptonite spear.

02:02:37.860 And then Batman should have said to Superman, let this be the day you never forget the day

02:02:42.240 I defeated you.

02:02:43.020 And then he throws the spear aside and walks away.

02:02:45.520 The purpose being Batman never wanted to kill Superman.

02:02:49.720 He wanted to instill the fear in Superman that he was not an undefeatable god and that he

02:02:55.020 had to recognize, you know, that his power was defeatable so that he would never become

02:03:00.660 evil.

02:03:01.540 Instead, he's just like, my mom's name is Martha.

02:03:04.380 And Batman goes, your mom's name is Martha.

02:03:06.760 My mom's name is Martha.

02:03:08.400 Can we be friends?

02:03:09.720 And that's the story.

02:03:10.780 They were, they tried, they, it didn't work.

02:03:13.880 I think the comic had that line, didn't it?

02:03:15.760 It is.

02:03:16.160 That's the quote from the comic where he says, let's never forget.

02:03:18.820 Yeah.

02:03:19.180 And that was the, I think in the comic, that was the point to show Superman, he was not

02:03:23.260 a God that he could be defeated and to have that fear within him.

02:03:27.200 I also love how Batman has a contingency plan to take out all of the justice league.

02:03:32.280 So good.

02:03:33.320 Cause he's like, he doesn't, he doesn't care.

02:03:36.220 And there's the, the, the, they did the comic arc in the movie where someone steals the

02:03:41.880 contingency plan, Batman's contingency plans and weaponize them against all of the justice

02:03:45.320 league.

02:03:46.000 And then they find out, they're like, you had a plan to take us all down.

02:03:49.000 He goes, yes, you're gods.

02:03:51.540 Like someone must be able to stop you.

02:03:53.780 If you, if you become evil, like there's no question.

02:03:56.640 Batman's the best.

02:03:57.900 He's the best superhero.

02:03:58.580 It's just good writing.

02:03:59.400 He's the most human of all of them and the most relatable.

02:04:01.900 And I love how basically the, the, the approved comic lore is given enough time, Batman can

02:04:09.020 defeat anyone, but that's a lesson that we could take home for ourselves.

02:04:13.740 Given enough time, we can get strong enough to do any goal that we decide smart enough,

02:04:19.040 smart enough.

02:04:19.660 That's the idea.

02:04:20.120 Like when even a dummy like me, they did the, uh, the crossover with, with Marvel and Batman

02:04:25.460 defeated the Hulk.

02:04:26.540 So the Hulk, this like God-like ultimate power, what did Batman do?

02:04:30.880 He threw nerve gas and then struck Hulk solar plexus causing him to inhale.

02:04:36.860 And then the Hulk collapses.

02:04:39.000 It's Batman, dude.

02:04:40.060 He's the best.

02:04:40.940 It's good.

02:04:41.340 I love it.

02:04:41.940 It is coming up with a way and given enough time, he can figure it out.

02:04:45.960 That's why I liked Batman.

02:04:47.400 Granted, he's super rich so he can like make whatever he wants.

02:04:51.840 And, uh, but you know, I, I do like Iron Man too.

02:04:55.160 Inspirational.

02:04:55.520 Iron Man's a dick.

02:04:56.940 Well, look, anybody could say if I work hard enough, I can make enough money.

02:05:00.880 And then I can achieve X goal.

02:05:02.680 I have a certain goal that like, I really want to be an author.

02:05:06.280 So I'm going to look into every way that I can become an author and then I can achieve

02:05:10.640 that goal.

02:05:12.240 That's a story that is very meaningful for anybody and inspirational.

02:05:16.520 Like if I try hard enough, even someone who's dumb, like I was saying, like myself, if

02:05:21.640 even though I'm not smart, I can seem smart if I do X, Y, and Z, if I work hard and then

02:05:27.240 I can get there.

02:05:28.260 If my goal is to get respect, I can earn respect through, through these ways.

02:05:32.180 I mean, this is, this is the thing.

02:05:33.140 It's instant gratification, America.

02:05:35.000 Everybody just wants short-term gains.

02:05:36.660 15 minutes though, 15 minutes of fame.

02:05:38.760 But I mean, I mean everything, right?

02:05:40.220 They want to eat cookies and candies, get morbidly obese and then be told they're, they're allowed

02:05:43.220 to do it.

02:05:43.920 It's like, no, you have to sacrifice and struggle and, and have willpower.

02:05:47.880 We're like, you know, it used to be easier for us.

02:05:50.520 Cooked cakes and candies were hard to come by.

02:05:52.820 Refined sugars were hard to make and we were starving in the wilderness.

02:05:56.540 Now we're at the point where we are beset on both sides by ho-hos and ding-dongs.

02:06:00.860 And we have to be like, it is the most delicious thing ever and I will not eat it.

02:06:05.540 Otherwise you become morbidly obese and it's bad for you.

02:06:08.160 You need the discipline.

02:06:09.240 What have we replaced it with?

02:06:10.740 Now morbidly obese people are saying, no, you should just accept me as this and I should

02:06:14.940 be allowed to be a glutton.

02:06:16.000 But well, like you're, you're going to live a short life.

02:06:19.780 Yeah.

02:06:20.140 There are consequences to these choices.

02:06:22.440 If people choose to live that way, it's like not my business, but agreed.

02:06:26.420 Yeah.

02:06:26.720 I, I, I would say that, uh, there it's like working out with low weights.

02:06:31.340 If I have a five pound dumbbell, I'm never going to get huge muscles.

02:06:34.800 But if I train with, you know, 20 pounds, 40 pounds, I'm going to get huge muscles.

02:06:38.500 If your goal is to be strong, you want to give yourself extra training.

02:06:42.340 But maybe, maybe this is the problem when we say, if someone wants to live that way, let

02:06:45.400 them live.

02:06:45.760 Cause I've been thinking that for a while, like, dude, if you want to eat a bunch of

02:06:48.280 hoes and ding dongs, do it, you'll be fat, whatever.

02:06:50.240 Maybe we should stop saying that.

02:06:51.860 Maybe we should stay legally.

02:06:53.640 You're allowed to do it, but I find it bad and think you shouldn't do it.

02:06:57.940 And I'm, I'm, I'm offended by it.

02:06:59.660 You know what I mean?

02:07:00.380 Well, all we're looking at is ads.

02:07:01.960 So like say Victoria's secret or something is doing ads with people who are overweight

02:07:06.160 and I'm not going to act like I'm skinny or anything, but like the reason they're doing

02:07:10.020 those ads is because they want to reach that demographic through marketing.

02:07:14.220 We're just looking at strict marketing.

02:07:15.860 They want those people's money because we're already making the money of skinny people.

02:07:21.960 So that's what happened with the Budweiser issue is we already have those rednecks.

02:07:26.580 We already have their business.

02:07:27.920 So let's get this other demographic who we can't even touch, but they didn't realize

02:07:32.060 there would be this backlash.

02:07:33.680 I think the issue is that as we all start saying stuff like, you know, live and let

02:07:40.020 live, people will then say, okay, if the easy path for me in social acceptance is to just

02:07:45.440 eat whatever I want, be morbidly obese and lazy and stupid, they'll do it.

02:07:49.520 And that drags all of us down.

02:07:51.620 Maybe we need to stop.

02:07:53.300 We need to say, hey, no more, no more fashion ads.

02:07:56.520 Like I will boycott your brand.

02:07:58.180 If you put morbidly obese people in, you know, for your, for your fashion clothing line.

02:08:03.100 What's the difference between persuasion and force?

02:08:06.800 So I've always felt that laws are too forceful and it will create people like we'll dig into

02:08:12.760 their beliefs just because it's like a hard reaction.

02:08:16.780 Whereas art is more persuasive and gentle.

02:08:19.820 Well, I'm not saying to make it illegal.

02:08:21.280 Yeah.

02:08:21.860 I'm saying culturally we need to be like.

02:08:23.460 Like on the right, we tend to call people like we respond to like, say the bootcamp.

02:08:29.120 Hey, you're fat.

02:08:29.920 You're a loser.

02:08:30.640 Get strong.

02:08:31.580 You jerk.

02:08:32.280 And then people are like, yes, sir.

02:08:33.980 You know, cause it pumps them up.

02:08:35.200 Whereas more gentle people who are artistic or left-leaning or something like, like I don't

02:08:40.020 respond to negative reinforcement at all.

02:08:42.280 If someone wants to piss me off, you can start criticizing me.

02:08:45.280 But if you want to encourage me, say, hey, you're doing really good with this thing.

02:08:49.040 Do more of that.

02:08:49.840 And maybe ignore this thing that you're doing over here.

02:08:52.160 I just, I think we've gotten rid of shame.

02:08:56.080 It works on some people and others are, they respond to encouragement.

02:09:00.520 But I think overwhelmingly, it's not that we want people to feel bad.

02:09:04.400 It's that we need to have societal standards.

02:09:06.740 And we've, we've gotten to the point now where instead of shame, it's affirmation.

02:09:11.400 So no matter what negative attribute someone exhibits or engages in, we just say, you know

02:09:16.380 what?

02:09:16.540 We're going to affirm it.

02:09:17.780 Yeah.

02:09:18.280 You're affirming for the sake of making them feel good.

02:09:21.340 Whereas feeling good is not a means to an end.

02:09:25.100 It's, it's like, you're trying to charm them.

02:09:27.420 I'm finding like, I don't know.

02:09:29.420 There's somebody.

02:09:29.840 I feel like it's callous to, to say to a person who is morbidly obese, you know what?

02:09:35.860 Do whatever you want.

02:09:36.720 I feel like that's, that's kind of mean.

02:09:40.720 If I'm, it's mean, but it's also, you have to look at what's the motivation underneath

02:09:45.320 why I'm trying to make an ad supporting this lifestyle.

02:09:49.100 It's because I want your money.

02:09:50.480 Right.

02:09:50.720 So why are, why are, it's like all these Robert Green books that I love so much.

02:09:57.220 Like the reason why you would compliment someone is to try to befriend them, let's say.

02:10:02.820 But I really dislike it when people compliment me personally.

02:10:05.680 So when I feel like someone's trying to, hey George, you art's so good.

02:10:10.280 And they're trying to like befriend me.

02:10:12.360 And then it's like, they wanted, they just want the sneaky back door of now you're in

02:10:16.260 with me.

02:10:17.300 I realized that there is in marketing, you notice patterns of, hey, you're perfect just

02:10:23.600 the way you are.

02:10:24.780 And I also want to also, hey, now that we're friends, I want to give you, I want to tell

02:10:29.200 you about this investment opportunity, by the way, now that we're best friends.

02:10:32.460 So they're finding ways like really superficial 15 minute ways to quote seduce somebody or to

02:10:39.300 get in with them.

02:10:40.680 And the reason is, A, I want to sell something to you or B, I want to impregnate your mind

02:10:45.380 with this meme I have.

02:10:47.160 So the LGBT stuff is just a Trojan horse.

02:10:51.740 And I shudder to think what the Trojan horse contains.

02:10:55.400 Misery loves company.

02:10:56.780 Yeah.

02:10:57.600 But it could also be like, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

02:11:01.380 They believe their lifestyle is beautiful.

02:11:03.480 Love is love.

02:11:04.280 Fine.

02:11:04.640 All right.

02:11:04.880 So I'm going to start thinking like them.

02:11:06.480 The reason they think that way is because when they were younger, someone shamed them

02:11:11.700 for being homosexual or for having certain fetishes or something.

02:11:17.580 Okay.

02:11:18.020 And so the reason they want to normalize their fetishes and stuff is because they want to

02:11:25.160 not feel ashamed.

02:11:26.520 They want to live openly.

02:11:29.040 I can understand that.

02:11:30.800 But now if society starts seeing and normalizing this behavior, it has a lot of, it comes with

02:11:38.120 a lot of creepy baggage.

02:11:40.400 You go from, hey, there's that meme of if you accept gay marriage, then all this other

02:11:47.200 stuff will never happen.

02:11:48.460 There's a pie chart.

02:11:49.440 Yeah.

02:11:49.720 It said, what will happen if we allow gay marriage?

02:11:53.100 And it's like the terrorists will win.

02:11:54.340 There'll be a third world war.

02:11:55.420 A pandemic will wipe out the planet.

02:11:56.920 Gay people will get married.

02:11:57.860 And the pie chart is only that they'll get married, but then, you know, the irony is

02:12:01.760 that like, not necessarily like those things are because of gay marriage, but if you let

02:12:06.460 in this one thing, the Trojan horses, now you're allowing all these other things.

02:12:10.580 And the reason that there's a quote of, if you move a fence, you have to ask why it was

02:12:15.960 there in the first place.

02:12:17.220 And the reason that, uh, I guess society always considered homosexuality weird, not, I'm just

02:12:24.180 guessing.

02:12:24.560 It's not that that itself, if you allow homosexuality in like, um, normal society, something like

02:12:31.660 that, it's not that it's going to lead to world war three, but the attitude of, we're

02:12:38.440 now going to denormalize the nuclear family is now leading to potentially lower birth rates,

02:12:46.700 more permissive attitudes towards things that maybe should stay in private adult places.

02:12:53.760 Whereas, you know, the drag queen story hour freaks people out for good reason.

02:12:58.160 I think it's a provocation.

02:12:59.280 So you have to be careful how you respond to that.

02:13:02.380 Well, it's, it's a manipulation.

02:13:03.280 The purpose I think of drag queen story hour is so that when they do overt sex performances,

02:13:07.940 they can Mott and Bailey you.

02:13:09.820 And so what happens now is you've got Kevin Bacon being like, Hey man, they're trying to

02:13:14.560 ban drag.

02:13:15.420 That's not okay.

02:13:16.100 No, they're trying to ban adult lewd performances for children.

02:13:21.120 And you're using drag as the shield to claim it's about LGBTQ when it's actually about pedos.

02:13:27.600 Yeah.

02:13:27.780 Unfortunately, the only way that society may snap out of that is if you get instances of

02:13:33.360 bad things happening, which it is happening, but you don't hear about it so often.

02:13:38.900 Um, so some people are like with, uh, trans, um, surgeries, getting people who have regrets

02:13:45.880 there when they start suing their doctors, you're going to see it coming back.

02:13:50.300 Unfortunately, some, yeah, some kids going to say, or some adult is like, yeah, I was,

02:13:55.140 I had a drag performance in Austin 10 years ago and, you know, inappropriate things happened.

02:14:00.360 Unfortunately, the best thing on an individual level that parents can do is just keep their

02:14:04.420 kids out of the way.

02:14:05.220 It's going to happen.

02:14:07.120 I don't know if we can stop it.

02:14:09.620 Well, because the more you legislated away, it's just going to pull the rubber band and

02:14:14.960 it's going to snap.

02:14:15.800 I don't necessarily agree.

02:14:17.160 Uh, it's, it's, it's polarizing the country.

02:14:21.460 Like Dwayne Wade said that he fled Florida with his transgender daughter, his biologically

02:14:26.840 male son because of the laws there.

02:14:29.040 It will, it will stop it.

02:14:31.240 But I don't think it's the, it's the solution.

02:14:33.220 It's a bandaid conservatives need to produce culture to win.

02:14:37.320 You should, the message needs to go to children.

02:14:40.000 Hey, like, here's how to be a good moral person.

02:14:42.260 Baseball game.

02:14:43.180 Teach them baseball.

02:14:44.460 That's right.

02:14:45.340 Well, anyway, man, goof, goof, Barry pie.

02:14:47.980 You've got, uh, this new, uh, Indiegogo with razor fist.

02:14:51.240 You want to shout anything out as we wrap up?

02:14:52.660 I would love to encourage people to check out, um, links are in my Twitter bio.

02:14:57.480 Polkadot.etsy.com.

02:14:59.640 It's P-O-K-I-D-O-T.

02:15:01.720 That's our children's stuff.

02:15:03.200 It's really sweet.

02:15:04.220 And then goes to the Badlands is funding right now in Indiegogo.

02:15:07.580 And, uh, yeah, I, I appreciate everyone's support and goodwill and I'm just going to

02:15:11.560 keep making, I'm not making as many political comics as I used to, but I'm still drawing.

02:15:16.360 So thank you for your support.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - April 28, 2023

The Culture War #10 - GPrime85 Discusses Anime And His new Comic With Razorfist

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