The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #11 - Lauren Southern, Seamus Coughlin DESTROY The Left With LOGIC and FACTS, BASED

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00:00:59.300 We basically already did the show. I'm hanging out with Lauren Southern and Seamus Coughlin,

00:01:03.580 and we were talking about last night with Lance from the Serfs on TimCast IRL,

00:01:08.700 the clips that are popping up on the internet about what happened. There's like a million things to

00:01:12.520 address in this. And then we started talking about the clips going viral of Ian, because Ian said a

00:01:17.080 whole bunch of funny things too. But we'll just keep the conversation going. What's up, guys?

00:01:22.180 How's it going?

00:01:23.120 Seamus.

00:01:23.460 Seamus. Yep. Yep. Happy to be here.

00:01:26.120 How could you not keep Lance here for me? We had unfinished business.

00:01:31.140 I asked him when he was leaving. I mean, when we wrapped the show late, it was 1030 already.

00:01:37.440 And I was like, we want to do the members only. And it's just like kind of late. And he was like,

00:01:41.440 I don't know, man. I don't know how much longer I have. And I said, 10 minutes. And he was like,

00:01:45.940 yeah, but I don't want to like dip out in the middle of it and have people get mad at me and

00:01:48.680 say that I ran away or something. And then I was like, well, the truth is, if you don't

00:01:53.080 do the members only, they're going to say you ran away. And it was like, all right, just

00:01:56.480 but let's just try to do 10 minutes. He stayed for an hour. So I really did. I think it was

00:01:59.880 great. I think there were I think the issue when it comes to the culture war stuff is

00:02:06.740 that the left, their position is my tribe has said these things are what I'm allowed to

00:02:11.880 say. Yeah.

00:02:12.720 And then the quote unquote, right, which includes like traditional liberals or whatever is here's

00:02:18.220 moral logic and why I feel this like why I believe these things. So his positions are

00:02:23.240 often this thing is true. I say, why is it true? Doesn't matter. It's a talking point.

00:02:27.440 We say it. And then for me, it's kind of like, here's why I feel this way about this law.

00:02:33.160 Seamus, why do you feel this way about this law? And then, you know, but anyway, long story

00:02:36.740 short, I'm glad he did come and but he did have to leave. So sorry, Lauren.

00:02:41.120 Yeah, we obviously I wish you asked him about the mass grave stuff in Canada, because that

00:02:46.100 was Lance and I's big debate. And it's been it's been a few years now. No bodies. And

00:02:51.320 obviously, that's a good thing. They're not finding a bunch of dead children. But it seems

00:02:55.420 like for some reason, a bunch of the progressives in Canada are like, please, they love child.

00:03:01.540 Well, let's let's get some we'll get some context, too. Because like, like I said, we were

00:03:05.540 basically doing the show for a half an hour already, just like laughing our asses off.

00:03:08.420 Yeah. But so Lance is he's cool, dude. I think I think he's a really nice guy. I find

00:03:12.640 his views abhorrent. He agrees. He finds our views abhorrent. But I thought it was funny.

00:03:16.880 He brought a Bud Light tall boy and cracked it open. We were laughing. I think it's a

00:03:19.880 good thing. It's healing and will help bring us together. But he is a leftist commentator

00:03:24.500 who came on the show. And there are a bunch of clips going viral, namely where he said that

00:03:30.800 so long as a baby is inside a woman, the woman can terminate it and do whatever she wants

00:03:35.220 to it. Seamus actually asked for clarification. So you're saying if the baby's in the woman,

00:03:39.220 she can do whatever she wants. And he was like, effectively, yes. And then I said, what

00:03:43.300 about meth? And then he said, no, because that's intentionally killing a baby. And then

00:03:46.920 I was like, wait a minute. So now these clips are going up. And then someone tweeted, they

00:03:53.060 had not seen Lance get BTFO this badly since he had a conversation with Lauren Southern.

00:03:58.600 So that should be the context. So like, what is the mass graves things? I'm not I'm not

00:04:02.000 familiar. I'm guessing I followed that. I did. Is there if I just interject with one

00:04:06.200 thing before? Yeah. One thing is there was a few moments where I felt a need to come in

00:04:09.920 with a comment just because I was saying what he's saying here is factually incorrect. And

00:04:12.800 I really do need to set the record straight. But I did feel bad about the fact that he was

00:04:17.580 totally behind enemy lines and everyone was sort of arguing with him. And so I said next

00:04:22.140 time, I really want him to come on with another leftist. So it's like me and you versus him

00:04:25.840 and another lefty. And it doesn't feel as much like we're jumping him. But to be fair, to be

00:04:31.040 fair, a lot of people in the comments, and it could just be because there are people

00:04:34.240 who agree with us for saying, I didn't think you interjected too much. And so yeah, it

00:04:39.080 was mostly like it was unfair by any means. But he did choose to come on the show. But

00:04:43.880 I would really love to do it with with another lefty. But this is two on two.

00:04:47.720 This is this. This is an important point. I go on Joe Rogan's show with the Twitter executives.

00:04:53.480 Mm hmm. And it was literally two liberals arguing with two progressives about how they're treating

00:05:01.360 conservatives. Yeah. We do a show here when when Matt, I think Matt Binder is here and

00:05:07.060 you were here. It's literally me, a centrist arguing with a progressive and you the conservative

00:05:12.540 keeping your being quiet. So these these aren't even left and right debates. It's true. But

00:05:17.180 the funny thing is, when, you know, Lance yesterday said that I was a conservative, he's like, if an

00:05:22.640 alien came to Earth and looked at what you were doing, and the way you post videos, they'd say

00:05:25.320 you're a conservative. I pulled up all sides with 4000 user reviews calling me a centrist.

00:05:32.320 And I'm like, how is it that Seamus wants to ban all abortion? I'm in favor of abortion being

00:05:37.600 legal with restrictions. And you're in favor of abortion with no restriction. I'm in the middle.

00:05:42.020 Like, they don't know what centrist middle is or centrist is. It's either you're with them or

00:05:46.580 you're a conservative. Mm hmm. Basically. Anyway, mass, mass graves. I saw it. And by the way,

00:05:52.040 you did beautifully in that debate. And I remember hearing that story about the mass graves and not

00:05:56.660 really being able to make heads or tails of it. And then you came along and said, it's all nonsense.

00:05:59.720 And as I looked into the information that was available on it, it was clear result nonsense.

00:06:03.180 And then you absolutely crushed that debate. Essentially, two years ago, the story came out in Canada

00:06:08.240 that they discovered mass graves of indigenous children and that there was basically a genocide

00:06:12.600 going on by the government and the Catholic church. And, you know, there's no denying there

00:06:15.920 was abuse within the government systems that were created and priests. But to say they were like

00:06:21.600 ritually, you know, at nuns coming out and executing these kids.

00:06:24.620 That's what they're saying. Nuns were killing these kids.

00:06:25.740 Oh, yeah. Coming out, executing them, burying them in mass graves behind these churches.

00:06:29.420 But what kept happening is I do like the tiniest bit of surface level research on this. And it's like,

00:06:34.120 oh, this graveyard existed that they found 13 years before the residential school was even built.

00:06:38.680 That was one of the main ones that Trudeau visited in Saskatchewan. And then the main one

00:06:43.480 that started this all in Kamloops, they have done no excavation, nothing. It's years later.

00:06:51.760 And all of the articles that came out then mass graves, which implies a genocide. Would you agree?

00:06:57.000 Absolutely. That's what mass graves is.

00:06:58.300 Times, everything. They all just like quietly a few months later edited the articles to say

00:07:02.860 potential bodies discovered. We don't know yet, though. But the whole first headlines were mass

00:07:08.520 graves found. And this resulted in dozens, I think over 50 churches being vandalized and burnt to the

00:07:14.580 ground. And that's why they wanted to happen. It was terrorism against the Christian community

00:07:19.620 based off a lie. It was nutso. That's why I said, and again, it is, before the show,

00:07:29.200 we were like, talk about Lance with him not here is kind of shady. It's like, okay, I, you know,

00:07:33.960 but it is what it is. I told him he was in a cult. Like in the after show, for those that didn't see

00:07:40.400 it, I asked him, oh, here we go. I asked him, I'll try and keep it family friendly. If you engage

00:07:48.300 in adult relations with a trans woman who's male and has male body parts, are you gay? He said,

00:07:55.440 no. And I said, if you were to go to MGM National Harbor, and the reason why I use it as an example

00:08:02.820 is for one, it's obvious, like I was just there last weekend, but it's like a big shopping center

00:08:06.180 with like a steakhouse and restaurants and casino. And you proclaim loudly to the thousands of people

00:08:11.400 that position that engaging in adult relations with a male who is a, who is trans is not gay.

00:08:17.720 Do you think any of them would agree with you? And he's like, no, none of them would. I'm like,

00:08:22.320 you're in a cult. Like you're asserting this worldview that exists only among a tiny, tiny subset of

00:08:28.440 people. You are the odd person out. You are not the mainstream. You are not the average.

00:08:33.020 And to be fair, the commenters were pointing this out in the members only section. When he made that

00:08:38.800 statement, he was drinking Bud Light. So it's possible it got into his system. And that's why

00:08:44.660 he said that makes sense. Yeah, very true. I will say, I, you know, I do respect him for coming on

00:08:49.340 the show. I didn't think he, I, when I saw his face up there, I was like, there's no way Lance

00:08:53.860 actually accepted going on Tim cast. So full respect, full props to you, Lance, for doing that.

00:08:59.480 When I, when I, he was, he like, he tweeted something at someone, I don't remember who,

00:09:03.720 and then I responded with just like, Hey, come on the show, bro. And immediately he was like,

00:09:07.500 hell yeah, dude. Awesome. And I was like, cool. And, um, the thing that these leftists

00:09:13.120 don't understand, and he's a self-proclaimed, proclaimed, proclaimed leftist. I'm not trying

00:09:16.600 to insult him is that I have no fear of having a conversation with a leftist because I only seek

00:09:24.500 to follow a logical pathway towards betterment. So when it comes to my politics, it's simply,

00:09:30.220 is there something I missed? Give me the study that proves me wrong. I'd like to hear it. He

00:09:34.240 couldn't do it. When, when I mentioned that trans kids desist at 60, 61 to 98%. There were two studies

00:09:41.400 that show this. The only thing you could say is a meta analysis of studies disproves this. And I said,

00:09:47.020 a meta analysis is the opinion of a researcher who read articles, not a scientific study.

00:09:52.100 You have to give me, he couldn't give me one study.

00:09:54.200 I think the problem when you're having these debates is there's so many other factors beyond

00:09:58.900 like, Oh boy, I showed him the study. It's like, no, lots of times people are thinking like,

00:10:02.960 this is my friendship group, my social circle, my job. I have so much more on the line to reaffirm

00:10:10.260 the debates I've put forward, even if they're making me potentially look stupid than I do to

00:10:14.840 sit here and be like, Oh, that's actually interesting. You can't overcome that.

00:10:19.020 That's the thing about Timcast. That doesn't exist here. It exists in conservative circles.

00:10:24.120 Not mostly though. Like I would say there exists a small tendency because tribalism exists on the

00:10:30.420 right. It says on the left, the left is overwhelmingly, I have to say this for my

00:10:34.680 social circles. The right is there are certain lines I won't cross because of my social circles,

00:10:39.220 but here at Timcast, Ian can go on a rant about fake Jews and usury and we just roll our eyes and

00:10:45.320 like the conversation exists. Like I, I'm not going to pretend to be conservative for conservatives or

00:10:52.480 liberal for liberals. Like if Lance or any leftist comes to me and says, here's proof you're wrong.

00:10:57.920 I'll say, I have no, I have nothing to say. I, what am I supposed to say other than I was wrong?

00:11:00.920 Yeah. I mean, look, I don't want to be wrong if I don't have to be. So if you can show me

00:11:06.480 valid information that says that my worldview is incorrect about something, please pass that on.

00:11:11.580 I think there's a very apt quote here. Voltaire did not say very many wise things. He was pretty

00:11:19.180 terrible, but he once made a great point. He said, those who can get you to believe absurdities

00:11:24.620 can make you commit atrocities. Ironically, that applies to Voltaire and what he taught people and

00:11:30.140 how they acted in the French revolution. However, when you look at Lance, he seems like a perfectly

00:11:36.220 nice guy. He came onto the show. He was very polite to everybody, but he believes in absurdities

00:11:42.260 and the policy he wants to implement is atrocious as a result.

00:11:46.400 We'll give you an example. He thinks a pregnant woman should not be allowed to do meth because it

00:11:51.300 would intentionally kill a child, but that if she goes to a doctor and requests the doctor

00:11:55.420 intentionally kill the child, that's allowed. Well, that is it. That is a logical moral inconsistency.

00:12:00.240 And it was just interesting because sitting across from, as I was speaking to him, it felt like this

00:12:04.620 was somebody who shouldn't believe these insane things. He doesn't come off as somebody who,

00:12:10.520 if you encounter on the streets would go, ah, let's kill babies. Ah, let's mutilate children.

00:12:13.980 But he's bought into an ideology that essentially forces him to hold those positions. And it's really

00:12:20.180 sad. It's really sad. I'll never forget. Um, I've been in a few situations where I've been around

00:12:25.420 some pretty radical, crazy people while I was traveling the world. And there was one, uh, house

00:12:30.140 that I went to and they had a baby there and they were like some gun toting crazies. But, um, I was

00:12:35.840 looking at that baby and I'm like, this kid is probably going to be radicalized into this, this

00:12:39.480 group as well. Like they're going to be not, I love guns by the way, but, but I mean, with the crazy

00:12:44.840 ideology, it kind of makes it different. But anyways, I was like this baby who's like a perfectly

00:12:48.740 lovely little being, no matter what, they're probably headed on this trajectory to have

00:12:54.420 the same beliefs as their parents, their community, everything else. And that's what I, when you talk

00:12:58.480 about like Lance having these beliefs, I wonder what set of events happened in his life that led

00:13:02.480 him to that position and what set of events could occur that would ever make him change

00:13:06.500 his mind. I think this is one of the greatest debates we have right now is like how much of

00:13:10.240 our ideology is heritable, how much of it is environment and how much is this reversible?

00:13:14.780 I don't. So you mentioned this before the show and I was thinking about it. We talk about

00:13:19.840 nature versus nurture and I think it's a mix of nature versus nurture. Um, but I don't think

00:13:26.120 it's the politics you inherit. I think it's the social characteristics. I believe that Lance

00:13:32.100 is of a genetic predisposition towards social conformity. And, uh, so that, that is to say,

00:13:41.360 I believe that there are some people who are predisposed more so towards following the crowd

00:13:45.640 and some people who are predisposed to reject the crowd. And I think there's, there's good

00:13:50.900 reasons why that exists in, in, in, in human psychology. I don't think it's absolute. I think

00:13:57.100 someone who is of a family, uh, genetic line that is predisposed towards being a follower

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00:15:30.580 A leader because I think these things are only a small faction, a small factor. But I think there's

00:15:36.200 good reason why they exist in humanity in terms of human development and how societies form and

00:15:40.900 function. There is great benefit to following the crowd in a crisis and disaster when if, you know,

00:15:46.560 if you took a bunch of leftists, gave them their authority figure, a crisis happened, you do need

00:15:51.780 in certain emergencies, quick executive action and you need everyone to fall in line. At the same time,

00:15:56.840 if everyone falls in line, you commit atrocities, your system will break down. So there's a balance

00:16:00.260 between the leader, like people resisting the establishment, people in favor of it. There has to

00:16:05.660 be a balance. Yeah. You know. Well, I would also add this and this is probably the last thing I'll say

00:16:11.400 about Lance and I don't think it's some like horrible thing that I wouldn't say to his face by any

00:16:14.960 means. So I'm comfortable saying it here. You got to smell bad. Yeah, absolutely. Just horrible.

00:16:19.600 No, he really, there's this idea of the banality of evil, you know, how someone who is an otherwise

00:16:25.120 decent person can participate in just morally, entirely unacceptable behavior, right? And promoting

00:16:32.600 this stuff on a national level with a public platform is absolutely horrible. He's doing a lot

00:16:37.640 of damage, but it's so strange because he doesn't strike me as someone who is intending to act

00:16:44.180 maliciously. He's just very confused. And, and I don't know how to convince somebody like that,

00:16:49.980 but it's certain that what he's doing has massive negative effects on the real world to the point

00:16:54.620 where it could seriously harm children. Authority that would, that would convince them. And so a

00:16:59.940 social authority, right? The, the idea that you are on the right side of history, there's that viral

00:17:04.920 clip going around now of Taylor Swift. And she was like, I need to be on the right side of history.

00:17:09.260 Right. She's wrong. But, uh, think about this way. Uh, there's a, an invasion. They, China storms,

00:17:17.800 storms the beach of California or whatever, and then starts moving very quickly across the United

00:17:23.360 States, taking over countries. You can't now have like a committee sit down and have a logical

00:17:28.900 conversation or like you need executive action. You need someone to be like, I got a plan. Here's what

00:17:35.160 got to do. Please do it. Now, if you have a hundred people that are social conformist and the leader

00:17:41.740 comes in and says, we face an existential threat, trust me and do this thing. You start building

00:17:47.100 walls. You start getting guns. If they just say, I'm going to fit in and do it, that's a huge net

00:17:51.980 benefit to your society. But when you get to the point where there are evil people in charge and

00:17:55.900 corruption, yes. People who seek to only extract value, those followers become zombies marching behind

00:18:01.700 a corrupt institution. Yeah. I would, I would mostly agree with that. I would mostly agree with

00:18:06.060 that. And I'd add something else. You brought up a very key phrase here, the right side of history.

00:18:10.220 We hear this constantly. I want to be on the right side of history. What you're essentially saying is

00:18:13.860 long after I am dead, I will still be seeking the approval of others. It's a very sad way of looking

00:18:19.660 at the world. And I'll also add that if you have eternity in mind, being on the right side of history

00:18:24.960 is a very small, petty ambition. You should be trying to get to heaven. You should be trying to be on the

00:18:30.060 side of truth, not the side of whoever's going to end up writing books 200 years from now, if they

00:18:36.400 happen to remember whatever small political movement you're a part of. I saw the other day

00:18:40.940 that Tucker text leak, where he's talking about kind of rediscovering his empathy, watching this

00:18:46.200 video of a Antifa guy getting the shit beat out of him. And he's like, oh, this is actually a human

00:18:50.620 being. I shouldn't want this guy to be killed, even though I had that spur of feeling. And I retweeted it

00:18:56.400 and basically said, you know, how are people crapping on Tucker for showing this moment of

00:19:00.980 amazing humanity? And some guy replied, ah, this is why the right always loses. Why are you taking

00:19:05.680 this position, Lauren? We should want our enemies dead. And you never want to win the war or the

00:19:10.220 battle. And I was thinking exactly that. I'm like, mate, you've already lost the battle, the one that

00:19:13.800 matters for your soul. Like that's the battle that matters. Not to say that there aren't these

00:19:18.140 political fights that we can have and try to have victories in, but if you've lost your soul and you've

00:19:23.020 become just like the people you're trying to fight, what's the point of it all? It's all lost.

00:19:27.160 The left likes to say the ends justify the means. And they don't because there is no end.

00:19:33.400 Life is the journey. And this is where my moral positions often come from. I would say this to

00:19:40.980 the Occupy people. If you decide that you today are justified to use violence, why would you not be

00:19:46.100 justified tomorrow or the year after that or the year after that? And if you believe the government

00:19:52.120 is evil, the institutions are evil because they use violence against people. And so you've decided

00:19:56.840 the only way you can win is to adopt those policies and tactics. How will you defend that

00:20:01.900 revolution in exactly the way they are doing now? Quite literally are what you claim to oppose.

00:20:08.540 The only way to truly win is to stand up for your principles, hold them true in adversity,

00:20:14.840 no matter how difficult it is.

00:20:16.100 Yeah. So we talk about the culture war and trying to win. And I think the culture war is

00:20:21.720 a perfectly serviceable phrase, but it doesn't paint a full picture. The reality is we are engaged

00:20:27.740 in a spiritual war just by the very fact of our existence as human beings with rational souls in

00:20:34.120 the universe where good and evil exists. And the culture war is one of the battles that exists

00:20:40.520 within spiritual warfare. And what's very interesting about spiritual warfare is at the very least from

00:20:46.840 the Catholic perspective, it's a total inversion of at the very least outcome prediction ability with

00:20:57.600 respect to other forms of warfare. So in a worldly war, in a physical war, you know what side you're

00:21:04.180 on from the get go. And then in battle, you learn who wins. With spiritual warfare, we know who wins.

00:21:10.880 We know God wins. We know goodness wins. But through battle, you figure out which side you're on.

00:21:17.020 That's the difference. And so if you abandon your principles in order to beat the bad guys in the

00:21:22.140 culture war, you are placing yourself on the wrong side of the spiritual war in order to attempt to win

00:21:28.500 a battle. So you've completely defeated yourself. Yep. Good will win. Good does not need you to do

00:21:34.200 evil so that good can win. It's going to win. What you're determining in the culture war is

00:21:38.420 which side am I on? Good or evil? Have you ever watched that movie Big Fish? No. No. Do you remember

00:21:45.520 the scene where he goes to the witch and he like goes to see his future, how he dies in her eye and he's

00:21:50.280 like, oh, I want to see it so that I know I don't have to be afraid of anything between now and the

00:21:54.200 point that I die. And he goes and he faces all of these crazy battles and like stays true to himself

00:21:59.920 because he knows, no, this isn't the moment for me. And it kind of reminds me of that. Like, you know

00:22:04.400 who's going to win. You know what's at the end. Certainly if you are a self-proclaimed Christian

00:22:07.900 watching this or just someone who believes in like the concept of truth will come to light and that's

00:22:13.480 what matters. Yeah, then stick to your principles because that's, you know, you know what the end goal

00:22:18.080 is. There's no need for these petty little changes in your spirit. Let's talk about the right set of

00:22:22.980 history. Going back to that. Yeah. Yeah. Was John Brown on the right side of history?

00:22:29.120 No. No, I don't think so. He was. I, so he was, yeah, in the sense that they wrote history books

00:22:34.180 about him. No, no, slavery ended. His fight. Oh, no, that's what I'm saying in the sense that they

00:22:37.840 wrote history books about him, but going up and shooting someone in the face who was a non-combatant.

00:22:41.320 You misunderstand. No, I get what you're saying. Today, slavery doesn't exist. Yeah, yeah. He opposed

00:22:46.480 slavery. His fight and what he believed in ultimately won. Yes. So if you go back in time

00:22:54.520 and say anti-slavery and pro-slavery forces, who will be on the right side of history? John Brown

00:22:59.740 was a psychotic individual who sacrificed his own children and was hanged for treason. Yeah.

00:23:05.000 At the time, they said that he was a bad guy. He was a criminal who deserved death. Yeah. So these

00:23:11.440 people who today are like, I want to be on the right side of history, supporting the establishment

00:23:15.600 cause does not put you on the right side of history. Yeah. John Brown was seen as a criminal

00:23:19.600 and a traitor who was hanged for it, who killed, who sacrificed his own children. But a hundred years

00:23:23.780 later, with slavery being abolished, they put his picture on, you know, casino chips over at Hollywood

00:23:28.620 Charlestown races. They revere him. There's statues and monuments to him, despite the fact,

00:23:34.520 you know, the government killed him for treason. Well, also because we have no principles. So yes,

00:23:39.440 you know, abolition was a good cause. Slavery was horrific. Today, I believe the equivalent to that

00:23:45.700 is the pro-life movement. I would not say it's acceptable for a pro-lifer to go murder somebody

00:23:50.760 who's had an abortion or an abortion doctor. And the idea that John Brown was justified in doing so

00:23:58.060 is also absurd. I agree with your point, though, that he's on the right side of history,

00:24:01.500 quote unquote, because our establishments have decided that we can do evil that good might come

00:24:06.540 of it. But my point is simply this. People today are saying, I want to be on the right side of

00:24:10.640 history. So Taylor Swift in this video wants to support what she sees as good thing of the moral

00:24:17.860 majority. But that does not mean you are on the right side of history. It just means you're

00:24:23.140 marching in lockstep with the narrative. And that often is not the right side of history.

00:24:28.440 Exactly. And not to mention, like, what people read in history books 100 years from now might

00:24:33.280 be completely different than what any of us are experiencing. You think about the false

00:24:36.800 information that's spread in media today at the mass scale when we have video cameras to prove

00:24:41.520 what's going on. You really think the crap we're reading about, oh, this happened a thousand years

00:24:45.600 ago wasn't some, like, egotistical king off his head? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, put that in there.

00:24:49.880 I remember learning in school. I've got Life Magazine. I bought, I have, like, 90% of Life

00:24:57.820 Magazine. I went to a bunch of antique stores. I found a whole bunch. I bought a whole bunch. I got

00:25:01.120 the first copy. I have Life Magazine from, like, a month before D-Day. And it shows photos of tanks

00:25:07.460 and armaments in the UK. And it says the US is bolstering the United Kingdom's defenses in preparation

00:25:13.040 for any kind of invasion. That was fake news. Back then, people thought history at the time

00:25:19.660 was the news being told, we have sent defensive armament to the UK. Now what do we, now what do

00:25:25.480 we know? No, they were preparing an invasion of Europe to push back the Nazis. So when we read a

00:25:31.860 news story today, in 10 years, they might be like, oh, that story was fake. Yeah, the real thing we

00:25:37.360 did was this. Like, we might learn something about Afghanistan. Oh, yeah. You know, withdrawal that

00:25:41.440 we, at the time, were like, Joe Biden abandoned Bagram. For all we know, 10 years from now, it'll be like

00:25:47.320 the terrorists snuck in and planted bombs, and he evacuated our troops, and it was never reported

00:25:52.040 because of the security threat to our personnel. Not that I give them the benefit of the doubt to

00:25:55.840 be honest. No, exactly. Well, I think usually when we end up with more information about what truly

00:26:01.280 happened, it's much less flattering for those in power, which is why the lie was told in the first

00:26:05.580 place. Look at MKUltra. Look at Operation Northwoods. I mean, these are just mind-blowing facts of history.

00:26:13.160 If you thought those things happened, and the government hadn't openly admitted it, you'd be

00:26:17.560 considered a deranged lunatic. But it's undeniably factual. What's crazy is that the vibe they put

00:26:24.580 around that persists, though. If you even talk about MKUltra today, people will be like, oh,

00:26:28.460 funny conspiracy. It's like, no, no, no, what are you talking about? They admitted it.

00:26:31.500 But I just, I just, it's weird because, you know, growing up, hearing about conspiracy theorists

00:26:37.680 in like the negative stigmas and all that stuff, you could feel that it mattered. That if the media

00:26:43.560 attacked you, like it puts you in this negative position, I literally could not care less.

00:26:49.020 No, not even a little.

00:26:49.700 So, so, you know, I'm thinking about this the other day when we have Lance on the show and he said,

00:26:53.180 we were talking about trans kids and I said, they won't have any sensation. They won't be able to

00:26:58.380 experience a sexual sensation of any kind. And he was, it's really weird. You're obsessed with

00:27:03.120 people's genitals. And I'm just like, bro, you're not going to shame me into not making an argument

00:27:07.520 because I don't care what you think. I have seen what, uh, your boos mean nothing. I've seen what

00:27:12.200 makes you cheer.

00:27:12.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:14.380 So if you, as this leftist holds a, an abhorrent moral position and then tell me I'm weird,

00:27:20.480 I'll be like, bro, there's a lot of things about me you think are weird. And I think you're

00:27:23.640 despicable. You know what I mean? So when it comes to today's day and age with MKUltra,

00:27:29.740 John F. Kennedy, bro, I'll sit here right now and be like, oh, we had Ron Paul on the show

00:27:32.960 and the first thing he says is our government killed a sitting president, John F. Kennedy.

00:27:37.160 And I'm just like, okay, well, you're not going to shame me into not believe that. I don't care.

00:27:41.900 I just want to mention one thing. People are like, you know, Joe Biden is a Catholic president. I'm

00:27:46.820 like, then why isn't the CIA killed him yet? You know what I mean? Everyone keeps claiming Joe

00:27:51.860 Biden's a devout Catholic. Why is he still alive? People always, uh, they, they come up with this idea

00:27:56.820 that, oh, well, if these conspiracies were true, someone would have said something by now.

00:28:00.660 No, no, they wouldn't. If they were sane, they won't. If they sound sane to the media,

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00:29:50.720 Life has fallen apart and they're like, what do I have left to lose? And then they can be very

00:29:54.180 easily painted as, ah, they're a lunatic.

00:29:57.000 They're a lunatic.

00:29:58.020 I mentioned, uh, when it comes to any president, I'm like, I bet the first thing that happens when

00:30:03.680 the president gets elected is a guy in a suit shows up and just slides a picture of John F.

00:30:09.020 Kennedy on their, on their desk and doesn't say a word, just scares him. And they're just like,

00:30:13.060 I get it. I get it. I get it. Like, quite frankly.

00:30:15.860 And then gives them a flat earth map.

00:30:20.060 The firmament. They show them. They're like, they're like, they're like, yeah, the, the going

00:30:24.560 to Mars thing. We'll hire Michael Bay. Like we, you know, your first diplomatic mission to

00:30:30.820 hyperborea. I mean, I kind of meant that they're threatening the president.

00:30:34.740 No, no, I know. I know. Oh yeah. They're saying like, don't fall out of line.

00:30:39.100 Yeah. Yeah. But I do think. I thought it was funny for a different reason.

00:30:41.840 No, they're both funny. But it is funny. The idea, like the president gets elected and then

00:30:45.460 this guy like, all right, so your, your orientation as president, the earth is flat. Um, aliens do

00:30:51.200 exist. JFK, that was us. Um, MKUltra. Yes. Exactly what you think it was. Uh, Montauk.

00:30:57.160 Whew. What a doozy. No, no, no. The way they do it, here's how it's structured. They

00:31:01.620 come in and they're telling about all the conspiracy theories that are true. When the president

00:31:05.200 goes, I have to tell people, then they pull out the JFK one and just set it down on a

00:31:09.480 desk in front of him. That's a good skit. They're like, he's like, yeah, no, trust the

00:31:15.980 experts. Yeah. It's like, he shows them like the earth, it's flat. And he's like, wow.

00:31:19.820 And he's like, aliens, they're real. My God. And then he's like, you know, the Montauk project,

00:31:23.980 MKUltra. And he's like, the American people must know what there's one more. And then he

00:31:27.920 shows up JFK. I don't, I have no idea what you're talking about. No idea what you're talking

00:31:31.780 about. There's no evidence. I don't think that they literally show a picture of JFK to the

00:31:37.780 president, but I think the implication is there. It's the implication, right? You know, I don't,

00:31:44.120 to be honest, and this is, I, I I'm, I'm more or less just memeing here. I don't know nearly

00:31:48.060 enough about the JFK situation. What I do know is that the Warren report was the most widely

00:31:52.860 doubted piece of official government information that's ever been issued according to surveys,

00:31:57.040 but I don't know enough about the actual situation to make a declaration one way or another. I want

00:32:01.180 to look into it. No, I, yeah, I, I agree. I'm, I'm, I've not done any, like, it's well before my

00:32:06.740 time, all of our time. Wait, who was the president? That was it? Wilson that couldn't walk? Oh,

00:32:12.140 oh yeah. FDR, FDR. Yeah. He was a, they kept it a secret from the public. Yeah. Polio as a kid.

00:32:17.060 And so he couldn't walk. And they didn't tell the American public for like how long?

00:32:20.180 Yeah. And there was, there was this one president with dementia and they didn't tell

00:32:24.620 the American people about it for years. Yeah. America would never do something like that.

00:32:28.680 Yeah. Well, it's just hilarious because Joe Biden, like they were trying to hide the fact

00:32:33.540 that this man's legs didn't work from us. And we have a president whose brain doesn't work and

00:32:38.240 everyone can see it. It's just out in the open and they go, nah, nah, no, he's got a speech impediment.

00:32:46.000 What? That's not how a speech impediment works. I've met people who stutter. They don't say poor

00:32:51.540 kids are just as bright and talented as white kids. They don't say you can't go to Dunkin' Donuts

00:32:56.440 unless you have a slight Indian accent, which is another Joe Biden quote.

00:32:59.800 No, my favorite, my favorite thing he said was, I'm not really Irish because I don't have any

00:33:04.220 relatives in prison and a drinking problem or something. Yeah. I don't have a drinking problem

00:33:07.340 and none of my relatives are in jail. That's not how a stutter works. That's not a speech impediment.

00:33:12.240 That's just not having a functioning brain. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite, one of my favorite

00:33:17.480 conspiracies right now is that there's, there's a, this is not Joe Biden. It's by Dan. By Dan. I

00:33:21.560 know. I love this one too. There's two. Well, there's a, someone posted a photo and it's Joe

00:33:25.640 Biden from 2014 and his ears and face look very, very different. We clearly got some kind of work

00:33:32.300 done or I don't know if it's something as simple as like a facelift or having his eyebrows

00:33:36.500 too, but he does look different. So I understand why people can like theorize. So like the little dude,

00:33:41.420 what are these things called in your ear? The little dudes who live inside his face and

00:33:44.860 then his face opens and there's a small person in there. His ear has the floppy part. And

00:33:48.860 then the other picture, it doesn't. So like, that's not an, that doesn't come. You can't

00:33:53.920 do that. Right. That's not a surgical thing. They didn't attach his ear lobes to the side

00:33:57.360 of his head. You know what I mean? Maybe they're doing it to mess with you. They attach fake

00:34:00.420 ear lobes to throw you off. It's a psyop. But these are fun too. Like the, the, the funniest

00:34:04.900 one I think is Michelle Obama being a man. Oh, someone's like, give me, show me one picture

00:34:09.460 of Michelle being pregnant. And it's got thousands of wives. And they're all AI like

00:34:13.840 responses. Oh my gosh. I was dying. I was dying at that. But I love that one because

00:34:18.540 it's inconsequential. Well, but also I think it's, it's really hilarious that Obama's repeatedly

00:34:24.720 called her Michael, which does not help them at all. It's like, dude, you guys, that's like

00:34:28.480 the one thing. Maybe they find it funny. Like as a family, they're just messing around.

00:34:32.460 Yeah. He's like, oh, my, my, my, my husband, oh, my wife. Oh. Did he say husband? No, but

00:34:38.460 he said Michael. He's just Michael several times. They get into a fight the night before

00:34:41.380 and he's like, damn it, Michelle, I'm calling you Michael on national TV again. Don't you

00:34:45.040 do it. Don't you do it, Barack. I'm going to do it. Oh my gosh. I'm going to call you Michael.

00:34:49.340 Oh my gosh. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say the M word. Michael. Michael.

00:34:54.920 What do you think? What slur do you think Joe Biden's going to say first? That's a good

00:35:00.520 question. Well, he's already, he's already said this thing about Irish people. He's already

00:35:06.200 like, he's gone in on Indians. He's gone in on like, it's going to be Asians. You think

00:35:10.940 so? Yeah. Yeah. It'd be about Asian people. And then when he says that slur, people are

00:35:14.660 like, it was a stutter. Because the thing is, he has that study. He's got Tourette's like,

00:35:19.720 I don't know what they're going to end up landing on. Americans don't really know the slurs

00:35:23.080 for Asian people. So only other Asians do for different kinds of Asians because no

00:35:27.900 one goes more hardcore. Joe Biden who have done deep research on slurs. No, no. I think

00:35:31.180 he'll say it because he'll see it and then be too like, like a younger person might see

00:35:38.140 the context and be like, I don't know what that is. I'm going to say that. But Biden's

00:35:42.160 going to read the prompter. Yeah. You know, he's going to. You think someone's going to

00:35:45.300 be putting Asian slurs on his prompter? He's going to be addressing Asian people and he's

00:35:53.080 Oh, you know what? I'm sick or not. No, wait, that's Obama.

00:35:57.060 How do we going to say it, man?

00:35:59.380 Why can't I say it all the time in the fifties?

00:36:02.620 Dude, it's crazy. And I've, I've made this point a million times, but I'll, I'll make it

00:36:05.580 again. I remember being taught in school with a wink and a nudge about how horrible and

00:36:11.040 stupid Republicans are that Ronald Reagan became senile towards the end of his last presidential

00:36:16.860 term and how shameful it was and how absurd it was that the Republicans were willing to

00:36:22.320 allow a man to stay in office when he was in cognitive decline. Biden was clearly demented

00:36:28.220 during the primaries. They, he didn't even have to be the nominee. They wanted their way

00:36:32.540 to choose a guy with dementia. And then they ran him and he won. And they're like, yeah.

00:36:38.260 How? Huh? I know Joe Hyden.

00:36:41.180 As Trump called him.

00:36:42.920 They needed someone who looks like cute. They needed, cause like people looked at Hillary

00:36:47.100 and they're like, she wants to bomb some brown country.

00:36:48.860 This is definitely a lizard.

00:36:50.060 They just look at like.

00:36:51.100 When people look at Hillary Clinton, they imagine the witch from Hansel and Gretel.

00:36:54.400 Yeah.

00:36:54.720 Who wants to eat your children. And then some people literally saw that.

00:36:58.120 I'm sorry, but the witch I imagine is Hermione Tim. And I think Trump is Voldemort.

00:37:03.080 And I think she was going to defeat him with girl power. Excuse me. Am I right, Lauren?

00:37:07.540 Hermione did not defeat Voldemort. That is just wrong.

00:37:10.000 Well, maybe in J.K. Rowling's transphobic revisions. But from what I remember,

00:37:15.220 Hermione was Harry's stage name when he went to drag shows.

00:37:20.240 You know what?

00:37:20.640 Actually, it's the same person.

00:37:21.440 The only way the Republicans can beat Joe Biden is, cause there's two people in this world

00:37:26.100 that can get away with anything. People with dementia that are old and toddlers.

00:37:30.340 That's about it.

00:37:31.980 That's true. That's actually a good point. So they need to like lower the age.

00:37:34.380 They need like a Hezbollah. Dude, you know, he's 30. He can still legally do it, but he

00:37:40.260 looks like a toddler.

00:37:41.420 Oh, interesting.

00:37:43.280 Versus Joe Biden.

00:37:44.000 And he gets up on stage and the American people are honestly at the point where they're like,

00:37:47.360 he's youthful, you know, he knows what the American people want.

00:37:50.660 And how could you vote against a midget?

00:37:52.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:53.260 Who do you think you are?

00:37:54.360 So one of the other things that came up with Lance on the show is that Canada is not a

00:38:00.820 communist revolution or whatever. And that it wasn't that bad or something like that.

00:38:04.420 Wait, what happened?

00:38:05.380 In the beginning of the show, he was saying something like people think Canada is going

00:38:08.540 through some kind of communist revolution, but it's not. It's actually pretty fine.

00:38:11.400 No, it's not.

00:38:12.560 And I'm like, I don't know. Like, oh, this was before the show. I said, you know, in the

00:38:17.660 United States, they like shut down churches. It was pretty bad. And they were like shutting

00:38:20.680 down businesses. But there are videos coming out of Canada where people were like, the

00:38:24.060 cops went into their houses and pulled people out. And he goes, he did something like, well,

00:38:27.600 no, no, but you know, there are instances. I'm like, no, no, there's videos of that happening.

00:38:31.700 And not to mention, there's, you can look up the Fraser Institute report on this. I think

00:38:35.520 it's from two years ago or something where they calculate the total amount we pay in taxes

00:38:40.200 when you include all of the sales tax, you know, income tax, everything, property. It's

00:38:44.340 about like 60% of your income. What percentage of our income do we have to be taxed before

00:38:49.780 it's communism? 90%?

00:38:51.560 Yeah, livery.

00:38:52.200 A hundred percent?

00:38:53.100 Well, Bernie Sanders says he wants to tax anybody over a hundred million. I mean, just

00:38:57.800 to have a billion at 99% or whatever.

00:39:00.240 Well, and so, all right, this is a fact that's very inconvenient for the left-wing narrative.

00:39:04.940 And I know conservatives mostly talk about the culture war and they've strayed from economic

00:39:08.780 issues. And I understand why, but it's important to say, you know, it makes me angry as well.

00:39:16.060 They will say the top marginal tax rate used to be 90%. No one, no one in the top marginal

00:39:23.380 tax bracket, right, was paying 90% taxes. They found workarounds. Government revenues,

00:39:29.620 federal revenues have never for any sustained period of time with any tax rates surpassed

00:39:34.800 20% of GDP ever, no matter how high or low the tax rate is. And in fact, it tends to hover

00:39:41.240 around just below that 20% number, which would suggest that Art Laffer was not pulling the

00:39:49.720 Laffer curve out of his rear without there being any legitimate basis for it. What happens

00:39:55.140 is if you tax people at 100%, you end up getting 0% in revenue because no one's going to work

00:40:00.100 for money they can't have.

00:40:01.060 You tax people at 0%, you get 0% in revenue. So you start with 0% on both sides of the tax

00:40:07.360 curve, whether you're at 100% or 0%, which means there is a revenue maximizing point somewhere

00:40:12.840 in the middle. According to the data, which says federal revenues have never exceeded 20%

00:40:17.740 of GDP, that would indicate the Laffer curve is somewhere around 15% to 30% of tax rate.

00:40:24.780 And that changes based on what you're taxing.

00:40:26.840 You said nobody will work for money they can't have if they slowly inch their way to that point

00:40:32.380 and they form a system around it, they will. Meaning right now in the United States, the

00:40:38.620 average person is spending what, 30% of their revenue goes to taxes, but they don't even

00:40:42.300 think about it. It doesn't exist to them. They're told you get $10 an hour and the person immediately

00:40:47.000 thinks, wow, $7 an hour. Then their paycheck comes and their paycheck is their paycheck.

00:40:52.200 So if we get to the point where everyone's taxed at 90%, people are going to be like,

00:40:55.700 $100 an hour, that's so great. I'll have $100 after working.

00:40:59.060 Well, but statistically, what we see is that as these tax rates increase, federal revenue

00:41:04.680 doesn't. And it's because people either stop working or they find work arounds around the

00:41:08.680 tax code.

00:41:09.100 That's not modern monetary policy.

00:41:10.840 Well, modern monetary theory is different.

00:41:12.740 The goal of taxes is to extract money from a system.

00:41:15.440 Yes.

00:41:15.900 So the federal government can spend money they don't have, and then to control for inflation,

00:41:20.480 they take it from you.

00:41:21.420 Yes.

00:41:21.660 They're spending your money without taxing you.

00:41:23.300 So there's a slight difference, right? No, you're right. With MMT, they are only taxing

00:41:29.100 to prevent inflation from occurring. But even with MMT, because inflation is just another

00:41:35.480 form of taxation, you still end up having an effective real tax rate, even if it's unacknowledged.

00:41:41.280 And the higher that rate is, the less people are either willing to use your currency and

00:41:45.560 start bartering outside of the system, or the less work they do because they can't see

00:41:49.100 the fruits of their labor.

00:41:49.860 Okay. I understand why Republicans don't talk about economic issues anymore.

00:41:54.480 I'm like, you don't think this is important? For just a moment ago, she's like, of course,

00:42:02.280 I still talk about tax issues. This is very important.

00:42:05.900 How do you feel about the elimination of the bond market that would occur with MMT?

00:42:10.060 How do you feel about the fact that they wouldn't have to sell and buy bonds?

00:42:13.400 Doesn't that bother you, Lauren? The banks are collapsing.

00:42:18.260 That's true.

00:42:19.680 That's, yeah, that's a thing.

00:42:22.820 That is happening.

00:42:23.220 PacWest is about to collapse now.

00:42:24.500 Is that exciting enough for you, Lauren?

00:42:26.220 What's exciting is AOC put forward that bill with, what's his face?

00:42:31.600 Matt Gaetz.

00:42:32.080 Matt Gaetz for no more insider trading.

00:42:35.220 Yeah. And she has big boobs.

00:42:36.320 But then how am I supposed to know?

00:42:38.020 So I listened.

00:42:38.520 She's evil.

00:42:39.380 How am I supposed to know?

00:42:40.900 She said she's cute. I think she's evil.

00:42:44.060 If I can't see, well, cute does not preclude evil.

00:42:46.480 Right.

00:42:46.840 Yeah. But if AOC's...

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00:44:16.700 X-ray.

00:44:17.460 Listen, if AOC's tax rate was wrong with me.

00:44:20.580 I'm sorry.

00:44:20.900 I'm exhausted.

00:44:21.700 If these people can't trade stock, then how am I supposed to look at Nancy's portfolio

00:44:26.460 and know where to invest?

00:44:27.620 So true.

00:44:28.280 Yeah, it's unfair, actually.

00:44:29.380 You know, I'm tracking her husband.

00:44:32.180 I'm trying to do a little outsider trading.

00:44:34.100 You know what I mean?

00:44:34.460 It's difficult.

00:44:35.320 It's difficult when I can't look at Nancy's numbers.

00:44:37.980 It's her husband who does all the trading.

00:44:39.160 My bank account feels like an ice cube.

00:44:41.900 I've saved.

00:44:42.720 All I've done is save and save over the years.

00:44:45.100 And it's just slowly melting away because of inflation.

00:44:47.540 I'm like, where do I invest?

00:44:48.540 Well, I don't know, because now Nancy Pelosi isn't going to be able to trade.

00:44:51.480 And she's Nancy Pelosi is like the Jim Cramer that actually gets it right.

00:44:57.980 Inverse Cramer.

00:44:58.860 Exactly.

00:44:59.660 So let's talk about AOC, why I think she's evil, because you had that story of the...

00:45:03.080 Because you want to date her?

00:45:04.200 Oh, no.

00:45:05.920 Why are you so obsessed with her?

00:45:07.040 Are you obsessed?

00:45:07.580 What's going on?

00:45:08.360 She's a little weird.

00:45:09.140 She's very famous.

00:45:10.380 He has so many feelings about AOC.

00:45:11.200 She's very famous.

00:45:12.120 So there's that homeless guy who was threatening to kill people.

00:45:15.340 That's probably hyperbolic.

00:45:16.160 Oh, yeah.

00:45:16.640 Homeless guy was threatening people saying he was not afraid to go to jail or die, which

00:45:20.420 has like certain terroristic implications.

00:45:22.360 No, you don't say that all the time on the subway?

00:45:24.540 Yeah, just yelling at people on the subway that you're not afraid to go to jail or die?

00:45:27.640 Only when I want to fit in, because that's what, you know, fit into New York.

00:45:30.960 So these three guys subdue him, dude dies.

00:45:33.120 And now the left is protesting.

00:45:34.940 And this was like another thing that we brought up with Lance.

00:45:36.860 I'm like, six months ago, we're talking about the people being pushed in front of trains

00:45:41.120 in New York and two people being killed in the process.

00:45:44.340 25 people pushed, two of them died.

00:45:46.140 And y'all don't protest or call this guy a murderer or say, why aren't the police arresting

00:45:50.240 this murderer?

00:45:50.860 Like, nobody cares.

00:45:52.200 Two dead people.

00:45:53.280 But as soon as someone defends themselves from a violent, terroristic threat, you are

00:45:58.100 now saying lock up the victim.

00:46:00.680 AOC is that these people are on the side of chaos and destruction.

00:46:04.860 That's why I'm like, AOC is evil.

00:46:07.440 Yeah, I really.

00:46:09.240 So this is probably similar in New York and in Vancouver, Canada, they did a study last

00:46:14.260 year and it showed 40 people were responsible for over 3000 crimes that year.

00:46:19.180 Wow.

00:46:19.360 Yeah.

00:46:19.680 I think it's similar.

00:46:20.940 The numbers in New York are somehow a little lower, but it's same like 50 to 100 people,

00:46:24.800 just serial criminals.

00:46:26.020 The Prito distribution.

00:46:26.560 And, you know, you look at that and it's like, just arrest them, put them away.

00:46:33.740 But they've got this infinite forgiveness system.

00:46:35.900 And there's something like they've convinced themselves that's moral about it.

00:46:38.900 Like people deserve a second and third chance, unless you disagree with me slightly politically.

00:46:42.400 But if you're like in the subway, stabbing people, running around, robbing every store,

00:46:47.360 I don't understand the infinite forgiveness for this people, but not for people that are

00:46:51.240 trying to find their political place in the world.

00:46:52.860 Because I think this is the banality of evil.

00:46:55.220 Yeah.

00:46:55.360 Okay.

00:46:55.620 It's demonic.

00:46:57.120 It's possession almost.

00:46:58.500 It's the system is falling apart, being ripped apart.

00:47:01.740 And these people crawl up like nasty parasites and latch on to those seeking to defend themselves.

00:47:08.520 It's to quote or to reference the Gulag Archipelago when he was like, if the criminal does it,

00:47:16.940 well, that's unfortunate.

00:47:18.240 It's in their nature.

00:47:19.260 But if you do it, you knew better.

00:47:21.400 Well, and this is exactly.

00:47:23.440 So where this stems from initially or how it catches fire in the culture is through a

00:47:28.260 false mercy or a false compassion, right?

00:47:30.680 So mercy towards the pedophile is violence towards the child.

00:47:34.540 And people need to keep that in mind.

00:47:35.840 And that's true of mercy towards the robber.

00:47:39.880 That is violence towards those who he might end up robbing or mugging.

00:47:44.320 Once we know someone is a threat, they have to be neutralized.

00:47:48.000 You have to find some way to either keep that person away from the rest of society, to rehabilitate

00:47:52.880 them, to sufficiently punish them, to deter other criminals.

00:47:55.780 And also, if it's possible, find some way to reintegrate them into society.

00:47:59.820 But we don't really make a concerted effort to do that anymore, especially in left wing

00:48:03.360 areas, because the dominant belief is the only reason crime is ever committed is because

00:48:08.040 of underlying socioeconomic factors.

00:48:10.240 And so it's not just that they're being hypocritical and saying these people disagree with us, and

00:48:17.280 so we're going to eliminate them from public life while giving criminals a slide or giving

00:48:21.320 criminals a pass and letting their behavior slide.

00:48:23.080 They actually believe that the reason the criminal acts the way the criminal acts is because

00:48:26.880 of people who disagree with them.

00:48:28.760 Because we don't want to allocate resources to the social programs that they claim are a

00:48:33.020 panacea for all societal ills.

00:48:34.780 And that means at bottom, we are responsible for the crimes being committed.

00:48:38.620 So it makes sense from their delusional framework to punish us for saying things they disagree

00:48:43.200 with and not punish the people who are actually committing crimes.

00:48:46.280 This is, uh, I just went and saw Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

00:48:49.140 This just came out yesterday, Thursday previews.

00:48:52.480 And I don't want to, I don't want to give any spoilers, but if you've seen the trailers,

00:48:56.880 it's about the high evolutionary.

00:48:59.200 What dad?

00:48:59.840 Uh, he's a, he wants to create a utopian society through genetically modifying people to make

00:49:03.660 them perfect.

00:49:04.380 Well, but that's intriguing without, without, I mean, it's, it's such a common trope in

00:49:09.720 media to be like every bad guy's Hitler, but it's also because we're still living with

00:49:14.100 it, right?

00:49:14.420 The progressive movement is the intellectual error of eugenicism in early 20th century

00:49:19.140 progressivism.

00:49:20.180 Well, that was interesting thing.

00:49:21.520 Let's, let's look, you know, here we go.

00:49:23.340 We're talking about last night with Lance is that when we were talking about abortion and,

00:49:27.580 uh, pro-life versus pro-choice, his position was for any reason or no reason, a woman can

00:49:35.700 end the life of the child within or no, and no matter what.

00:49:38.640 Right.

00:49:39.160 And so there were a few things I brought up.

00:49:41.300 I think that they're trying to genocide trans people.

00:49:43.380 They're trying to genocide autistic people, and they're trying to genocide down syndrome

00:49:46.940 people, the down syndrome people.

00:49:49.120 They fully admit to, there is a, there is a down syndrome person genocide occurring on

00:49:54.940 the planet, Iceland proudly proclaims it, and the left is in favor of it.

00:49:59.700 That terrifies me.

00:50:01.320 And it terrifies us because if we get to the autists, all of us would be dead.

00:50:05.840 That's right.

00:50:06.360 I mean, but when, when autism is, it's like you're being somewhat facetious, but when they're

00:50:11.940 now, she's like, I don't know.

00:50:15.180 But when they're expanding the definition of autism and saying now everyone's autistic and

00:50:19.620 then you're getting these leftists who are claiming, it's the funniest thing.

00:50:22.080 That's why you're in that category because they've expanded the definition.

00:50:25.300 No, but I mean, like these leftists are coming out being like, I think I'm autistic.

00:50:28.680 Shut up.

00:50:29.360 No, you're not.

00:50:30.020 Well, you have to have a mental disorder or you're boring these days.

00:50:34.340 There's a, there's a real thing to be said about this, right?

00:50:36.800 So obviously there are certain, certain social difficulties in disabilities that, that should

00:50:43.400 be addressed through specified care towards that person, trying to integrate them into society.

00:50:48.240 However, the argument that the left will make about genuinely destructive psychological pathologies

00:50:56.680 just being a matter of social construction and not being the threat that we think they

00:51:00.840 are is actually true of a lot of psychological ills that the left wants to talk about and demonize.

00:51:08.060 So when it comes to saying that kids have ADHD or autism, oftentimes that's just a kid with

00:51:14.200 a different learning style.

00:51:15.240 I'm not saying that's true 100% of the time, especially when we're talking about autism,

00:51:18.720 because that's a more, much more complex issue.

00:51:20.500 I come from a family of special ed teachers.

00:51:23.380 Autism is a very broad umbrella term that captures many different manifestations.

00:51:29.800 And so I'm not arguing that like autism is a social construct or something along those lines.

00:51:34.140 But when you look at people, for example, who have Asperger's, who might not have been

00:51:38.280 diagnosed 40 or 50 years ago as having Asperger's.

00:51:41.880 And people might have just said this person's socially awkward, for example.

00:51:45.360 Well, a lot of those people, they are very fact-based.

00:51:48.840 They're very evidence-based.

00:51:50.220 And they, for whatever reason, don't have the same signals firing in their brain when

00:51:54.900 they receive social disapproval.

00:51:56.860 Now, there's massive social utility in that.

00:52:01.420 We need people who are that way.

00:52:04.300 I don't think there might be a quality of life discussion to be had there.

00:52:08.040 And it's good for us to have increased awareness and sensitivity towards that condition.

00:52:11.460 But that person plays an important role in our social structures.

00:52:14.960 You do need people like that.

00:52:16.520 And I think that they are public enemy, number one, to people on the left and to ideologues

00:52:22.980 because they can't be shamed and they see things very logically.

00:52:26.860 So they're willing to say, well, no, a man can't become a woman.

00:52:29.660 That doesn't make any sense.

00:52:31.580 And when you go, you're a bigot, they don't care.

00:52:33.760 I have an idea.

00:52:35.580 Here's what we do.

00:52:37.160 Seamus, make a comic where the villain, do like a graphic novel.

00:52:42.280 It's going to start to finish.

00:52:43.260 And it turns out the villain, right?

00:52:45.160 This conservative, corporatist, pro-war, pro-life guy is confronted by the superheroes.

00:52:53.940 And he's like, you think you can stop my evil plan?

00:52:57.660 My evil plan's been enacted for the past 20 years.

00:53:01.220 It's already happened.

00:53:02.660 And they're like, what?

00:53:03.340 No, how's it possible?

00:53:04.220 And he goes, I have convinced the Democrats to abort and sterilize their own children.

00:53:08.440 Ha ha ha ha ha.

00:53:09.440 And then it's just like, show Democrats a villain and his plan is quite literally what

00:53:16.380 they're already doing to themselves.

00:53:17.860 The reason I say this is because I'm like, part of me wants to say to the conservatives,

00:53:21.780 why are y'all so hell bent on preserving the genetic lineage of people who are desperately

00:53:27.080 trying to end it?

00:53:28.440 And it's like, I know the answer.

00:53:29.680 It's because conservatives are immoral people.

00:53:31.380 They're made in God's image and likeness, even if they're wrong.

00:53:33.460 Right.

00:53:33.680 Who believe like you shouldn't harm the children or whatever.

00:53:35.960 And my attitude is kind of like, I don't know if I will win the argument with the left

00:53:40.400 on terminating and sterilizing their kids.

00:53:42.340 But I do know that in a hundred years, they won't exist.

00:53:45.000 So when you see radical ideologues behaving the way those on the left do, where they're

00:53:49.800 destroying others and destroying themselves, I think it makes perfectly clear that Christians

00:53:54.180 have been correct for all of history with respect to the doctrine of original sin, right?

00:53:58.800 I just don't think you can deny that there is something in the human person that wants

00:54:04.740 to destroy himself and others.

00:54:06.660 And in every society throughout all of history, when behavior is kept unchecked, that manifests

00:54:12.200 itself very, very clearly.

00:54:14.800 And the more we stray from Christianity and the more we stray from the natural law, the

00:54:19.000 more viciously that manifests itself.

00:54:20.460 Let me, let me, let me, can I give you the Ian response?

00:54:23.220 Go ahead.

00:54:24.200 There are two walls inside of us.

00:54:26.300 One is evil, one is good, which one wins?

00:54:30.740 There's some truth in that.

00:54:32.600 And there's, there's some truth in that.

00:54:34.340 I think that's a, it's a very wise way of putting it for a culture that existed outside

00:54:38.940 of Christianity, right?

00:54:40.640 Because I believe that's an old Native American saying.

00:54:43.080 I don't think it's Native American.

00:54:44.340 I've heard it was Native American and it could also be a complete fabrication by someone on

00:54:48.860 Tumblr.

00:54:49.280 I have no idea.

00:54:49.840 It was some 50 year old hippie lady who, and she was a white liberal woman in the seventies

00:54:54.240 or something, and then she told everyone was Native American so that they'd believe

00:54:57.100 it.

00:54:57.220 No, it was a 40 year old virgin on Reddit.

00:54:59.180 Yeah.

00:54:59.400 Right.

00:54:59.820 It could be something like that.

00:55:01.100 And they quoted, they quoted themselves.

00:55:02.620 Yeah.

00:55:03.360 There is something.

00:55:04.640 And so you point this out when you say, well, the left are destroying themselves.

00:55:08.040 Without God, man destroys himself.

00:55:10.400 It's, it's not just that he doesn't attain perfection.

00:55:12.580 It's that he dives headfirst into hell.

00:55:15.700 He goes into the opposite direction.

00:55:17.100 I'm not, I don't, I'm not a Calvinist.

00:55:18.800 I don't believe in total depravity.

00:55:20.740 I believe that humans suffer from original sin, but I believe.

00:55:24.240 That there's goodness in us as well.

00:55:26.400 However, when human beings are left unchecked and they go down the road of vice, they do

00:55:31.340 end up pulling themselves down into hell and everyone else around them down into hell

00:55:35.180 with them.

00:55:36.280 Yeah.

00:55:36.500 Well, people feel very judged.

00:55:37.960 Like if I'm sure you guys have been in situations, certainly in the media stratosphere where it's

00:55:43.120 like, someone will pull out a line of cocaine and it's like, no, I'm good on that.

00:55:46.580 And they're like, who do you think you are?

00:55:48.160 You think you're better?

00:55:49.040 You think you're better than us?

00:55:50.120 Yes.

00:55:50.800 All right.

00:55:51.120 So it's like, I, I, I, I don't have a similar experience with like cocaine and conservative

00:55:56.460 media.

00:55:57.220 I don't, Lauren, you're allowed to say whatever you want.

00:56:00.020 Um, I haven't had similar like experiences with drugs, but I will say in general, that's

00:56:04.340 kind of the experience of anyone who is the Christian at all.

00:56:07.860 Right.

00:56:08.140 You don't have to say anything to somebody about the choices they're making, but if

00:56:12.360 they know that you disapprove of them, even if you haven't voiced that disapproval, they

00:56:15.640 become very upset with you.

00:56:17.260 And then because you will, because every single human being, even though we are flawed, there's

00:56:22.620 something inside of us that knows the difference between right and wrong.

00:56:25.300 And I think it's possible to silence that voice, but real quick, I agree.

00:56:29.520 And I think last night's conversation really exemplifies that the, the conversation that Seamus

00:56:35.280 and I are having is let's look at the world and from a logical perspective, what are our

00:56:39.880 goals?

00:56:40.260 What do we agree on?

00:56:41.340 Like, we all agree the world should be better.

00:56:43.880 Humans should be better.

00:56:44.680 We want people to be happier.

00:56:45.780 Let's now work through the process by which we can accomplish those goals.

00:56:48.980 The left was saying simply, what do I have to say to fit in properly?

00:56:54.860 But when it came to the conversation about meth and choice, Lance had a clear cognitive

00:57:04.320 dissonance in that he knows he cannot say a woman should be allowed to do meth while pregnant.

00:57:10.060 He knows there's something wrong with that, but he knows his side told him women should

00:57:16.060 be allowed to kill their baby whenever they want that.

00:57:19.120 So hence, what did he say?

00:57:20.520 He said a woman should not be allowed to do meth because it's intentionally killing the

00:57:23.580 baby.

00:57:24.040 Even though a second prior, he said a woman should be allowed to intentionally kill the

00:57:27.440 baby.

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00:58:56.940 To wrap my head around and have actually found sympathy towards the left for, I think that

00:59:01.940 there's this all-encompassing defense of sometimes behavior that doesn't make sense or that will

00:59:07.760 seem like horrible behavior if you're trying to explain it or justify it in any sort of

00:59:12.100 media setting.

00:59:12.900 And I think that often comes from the left because there's this radical acceptance of

00:59:18.060 brokenness that the right in some way offers through Christianity.

00:59:22.560 But in the same sense, because the church is imperfect, because humans are very judgmental,

00:59:26.880 and there's also a large component that is not Christian of the right, there is without a doubt

00:59:30.840 an extremely judgmental side to the right wing.

00:59:33.940 And people who are very aware or shameful or maybe even grew up in religious communities that

00:59:38.280 have that internal shame are like, I would rather join the side that is going to accept me for all

00:59:43.080 of my brokenness.

00:59:43.820 And not just that, and this is the fundamental problem with the left, is not the acceptance,

00:59:47.460 but the lifting it up as a virtue.

00:59:52.080 I want to address that.

00:59:55.800 Look at Milo.

00:59:57.460 Milo is a gay man.

00:59:59.640 What?

01:00:00.300 Milo says that he will no longer-

01:00:03.020 Does he say he's former gay?

01:00:04.020 He says he's celibate.

01:00:05.980 He will no longer act upon these things.

01:00:07.680 Okay.

01:00:08.300 The left then says Milo claims he's straight, they lie.

01:00:11.180 Okay.

01:00:11.980 Milo is in the position where he's engaging in a behavior that the right views as aberrant,

01:00:21.360 you know, or something like that.

01:00:22.400 And he's decided he wants to be a better person, so he will abstain from these behaviors.

01:00:27.740 The left is the inverse of that.

01:00:29.500 They say they have a depravity or an aberrant behavior, and they demand you accept it so that

01:00:34.660 they stop feeling bad about doing it.

01:00:36.200 Yeah, and so this goes back to the point that I actually was going to make a moment

01:00:40.600 ago, so I'm glad you said that.

01:00:44.520 When a person is behaving badly, and you're not, and they know that you're not, you become

01:00:50.420 a proxy for their conscience.

01:00:52.500 Yeah.

01:00:52.840 They're not mad at you, they're mad at themselves.

01:00:56.100 Agreed.

01:00:56.420 And they're at war with their conscience, and now they see you, whether you have articulated

01:01:01.140 it or not, making it clear that that behavior is unacceptable.

01:01:04.980 And so now they have to regard you with the same contempt that they do the voice in their

01:01:08.200 head that tells them what they're doing is wrong.

01:01:09.620 This is the best explanation of original sin, or the easiest way it's ever been articulated

01:01:15.720 for me to understand it, right?

01:01:17.460 That there is something within people that would drive them to depravity or amoral behavior,

01:01:23.220 and everyone has it within them, and we have to actively choose to be better people.

01:01:28.680 That is, there are things that give us gratification and pleasure, but we recognize you shouldn't just

01:01:34.540 act upon all of these things.

01:01:35.680 They could be bad, they could be destructive.

01:01:36.860 The left seems to be saying, especially with the drag, child drag shows where they're saying

01:01:42.580 it's not going to look itself and things like that, you should just stop making them feel

01:01:46.780 bad about it.

01:01:47.880 Exactly.

01:01:48.460 But that means they know something they're doing is invoking a negative reaction.

01:01:52.620 Have you guys ever listened to Gabor Mate?

01:01:54.680 No.

01:01:55.080 He's an incredible psychologist.

01:01:57.600 He worked on a lot of addiction cases on the East End in Vancouver, Canada, and he says

01:02:03.820 the one common thing that he's found amongst addicts is not, he says it's not actually the

01:02:09.480 addiction that they're struggling with, but it's some sort of painkiller.

01:02:13.800 Yeah.

01:02:13.920 That every vice is a painkiller for something people have been through.

01:02:18.020 And so there, I think that the world is very broken, and I think there are a lot of people

01:02:22.040 that actually, I think most people start out wanting what conservatives put up as the vision.

01:02:26.540 Yeah.

01:02:26.700 They want the family, they want the white picket fence, they want all of that, they want

01:02:30.440 the community, and then something happens in their life that sets it astray, and they

01:02:34.120 begin finding painkillers, coping mechanisms that are vices.

01:02:38.440 And then they look at conservatives shaming them, and they say, I am, how, like, they're

01:02:42.420 already psychologically in enough trauma, can't get through it.

01:02:45.660 They can't deal with the shame, so they go to the side that accepts them when, you know,

01:02:49.300 when fundamentally broken people exist in this world, I don't think it's going to be any

01:02:53.980 internet shaming, this or that, it has to be community, real people that go and help

01:02:57.720 them, and it's the internet, the radical acceptance, and the radical rejection that

01:03:01.420 is sending people further into the spiraling.

01:03:03.420 But so what's happening now is, for people like me, disaffected liberals, traditional or

01:03:09.200 classical liberals, you can have views the right doesn't like, but they will sit down

01:03:15.080 with you and have a conversation.

01:03:17.520 Dave, like, it's remarkable how the left recoils at the idea of Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro being

01:03:22.060 friends, because they were like, Ben Shapiro opposes gay marriage and thinks what Dave

01:03:26.800 Rubin is doing is wrong, and Glenn Beck says that Dave Rubin shouldn't have kids.

01:03:31.920 And I'm like, isn't it funny that we all know that, that, like, Dave Rubin is well aware

01:03:36.820 of that?

01:03:37.480 And the issue is, despite the very serious moral disagreements, there is still an effort

01:03:43.160 between these individuals to be compassionate towards each other and to try and find a way

01:03:47.960 to accept each other or save each other, and the left outright says, if you're not with

01:03:53.240 us, you're against us.

01:03:54.320 So what's the end result?

01:03:55.980 Dave Rubin, who by every basic right should be on the side of the individuals who are saying

01:04:00.200 he can do these things, finds himself on the side of the people who are saying, we don't

01:04:03.960 like that he's doing these things, because they're still nicer to him.

01:04:07.180 They're still like, it's, the left doesn't seem to get, they can't grasp this.

01:04:11.580 Dave Rubin is a grifter because he's, he's friends with people.

01:04:13.740 No, these people are friends with him and they're being nice to him, despite not liking

01:04:17.280 or agreeing with what he does.

01:04:19.120 The left will tell you, you're with us, you're against us.

01:04:21.180 So nobody who has any, like, by, by, by, by all rights, my position on abortion is not

01:04:27.880 conservative and the left should be trying to win me over and say, we accept that you're,

01:04:32.820 you're halfway there.

01:04:33.480 Instead, they tell me to screw up.

01:04:34.880 I'm a conservative.

01:04:35.640 And then Steven Crowder is the one who came to me and said, I agree with, I accept your proposal,

01:04:40.020 Tim.

01:04:40.180 And we will, we, we as conservatives will accept restrictions on abortion to a, to, to a certain

01:04:45.500 degree.

01:04:45.860 If that means we save more lives, the left tells me to screw off.

01:04:49.080 Politics has become about ego.

01:04:50.300 It's like, you can't give an inch.

01:04:51.640 You can't get, well, that's how humans negotiate.

01:04:54.600 That's how they engage with one another.

01:04:56.120 You have to try to understand from their perspective, but no, that's, that's cocked or that's too,

01:05:00.640 uh, bigoted.

01:05:02.620 Real quick, several years ago, I went on Crowder's show and I said, I think, you know, I'm pro-choice.

01:05:08.060 There's some limits and blah, blah, blah.

01:05:09.620 And he said, okay, as a conservative, I will accept that you have that position.

01:05:15.020 So I'm willing to compromise 12 weeks.

01:05:17.240 We will say at this point, the baby is viable.

01:05:19.740 It shouldn't, we shouldn't have any reason to kill it, uh, except in medical emergencies.

01:05:23.340 And I was like, I agree with that.

01:05:24.520 That's what that works.

01:05:24.980 And he goes, let's take that compromise.

01:05:26.460 Where's the left.

01:05:27.420 And I'm like, you're right.

01:05:28.100 I completely disagree with them.

01:05:29.580 Instead of trying to win me over or form a compromise, the left says all or nothing.

01:05:33.260 The end result is going to be a coalition of, of moderate liberals, moderates, traditional

01:05:38.560 liberals, and conservatives forming the larger faction because the left is forcing us to,

01:05:43.100 to, to like, they're, they're not giving us a position.

01:05:45.540 They're saying you either agree with us wholeheartedly, join the cult or else.

01:05:49.440 Yeah.

01:05:49.720 Well, this is interesting.

01:05:50.740 So my feelings on that are a little bit complicated, but I'll add this.

01:05:54.520 I think maybe we're saying the same thing.

01:05:55.940 What, uh, Pope St. John Paul II said is that Catholics can accept a compromise on abortion

01:06:04.540 if that's the only option and it will push things in the direction of abortion stopping.

01:06:08.600 So for example, if there's legislation that's proposed that says, you know, we will illegalize

01:06:13.540 abortion after this point in time, as we have a lot of these bills now that say after six

01:06:17.060 weeks, uh, the Catholic position is no abortion ever, but it's okay for us to support that law

01:06:23.560 if it's the only one available or to vote for that law if it's the only one available

01:06:26.700 so that we can eventually get to the point where there are no, there are no abortions

01:06:29.440 because fewer babies dying is better than that law not passing.

01:06:32.980 And then many of them die, but the position can't be like, oh yes, we, we should have a

01:06:37.180 permanent state of affairs where these abortions are okay.

01:06:39.140 And these aren't.

01:06:39.840 But the simple position is for the past several years, at least in my experience, the right

01:06:44.060 is playing for the long-term victory and the left is demanding instant gratification.

01:06:49.400 The right is saying to me, we accept your terms and we'll work towards a better future.

01:06:54.980 I'll take what you're offering.

01:06:56.140 And then in two years, we'll try and do it again.

01:06:58.420 And two years, the real keep pushing until abortion is not legal.

01:07:01.620 And now, and now you're seeing people who used to be pro-choice are now a pro-life.

01:07:05.940 Yeah.

01:07:06.200 Former liberals who used to agree with Democrats are abandoning the position and just saying

01:07:09.620 like, you know what?

01:07:10.260 I think you've lost your moral argument.

01:07:11.980 Well, and this is one of those things.

01:07:13.180 So they'll accuse you of being conservative.

01:07:15.200 There are many people on the left who they'll accuse of being conservative who are pro-choice.

01:07:20.200 I mean, I'm sorry, but if you're not pro-life, you're not conservative.

01:07:22.480 I agree.

01:07:22.720 It's like the fundamental issue that, I mean, that really is at bottom, which side you're

01:07:28.520 on with respect to basically every cultural issue, at least just in terms of your framework,

01:07:33.240 the way you view the world.

01:07:35.300 I just, and like in what world is someone who is in any respect pro-choice, a conservative

01:07:41.380 person?

01:07:41.980 You can't be.

01:07:42.800 You literally can't be.

01:07:43.440 Not a single conservative would accept that.

01:07:45.880 Not a single conservative.

01:07:47.480 Every single conservative I know would be like, that's a liberal position.

01:07:50.340 Yeah.

01:07:50.600 But I think those words are constantly changing.

01:07:52.500 I just put out a tweet the other day where I said, listen, I don't want to be, I'm not

01:07:55.400 calling myself a conservative anymore.

01:07:56.740 I'm not calling myself a libertarian, nothing.

01:07:58.300 Because the definitions of these ideologies and the moral standards people are held to

01:08:04.200 to be a part of them are changing so quickly.

01:08:06.180 Like my grandma and grandfather, they were weed smoking hippies that thought George Bush did

01:08:10.880 9-11, a lot of their, you know, we didn't land on the moon.

01:08:14.060 Great people.

01:08:15.820 But they were like hardcore leftists.

01:08:18.560 And I think they'd be considered right wing today.

01:08:20.520 I really do.

01:08:20.760 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:08:21.420 Or they'd be considered some sort of, and I don't know.

01:08:24.080 Well, I don't know what the definition of conservative in six months is going to be.

01:08:27.580 Exactly.

01:08:27.880 I just don't know.

01:08:28.800 Well, I remember a time when you had to be conservative in order to be considered far

01:08:33.240 right.

01:08:34.500 Yeah.

01:08:34.660 Right, right, right.

01:08:35.440 Yeah.

01:08:35.660 Now you're far right because you just opposed the left on something.

01:08:39.880 Something.

01:08:40.900 I mean, I love Dave, Dave Smith's fantastic.

01:08:43.720 And I love how there's like those clips from Fox Business where they're like, you're a Trump

01:08:47.500 supporter.

01:08:47.840 And he's like, what?

01:08:49.320 He's like, I hate Trump.

01:08:50.940 I complain about Trump.

01:08:51.600 Trump should be hung for war crimes.

01:08:53.740 It's like, oh my gosh, dude.

01:08:55.620 Yeah.

01:08:55.800 That doesn't sound like a big fan.

01:08:57.240 You know, that classic MAGA talking point, Trump should be hung for war crimes.

01:09:02.920 There you go, Dave Smith, like as if he's a Trump supporter.

01:09:06.460 I just, and Michael Malice as well, like the left is a cult.

01:09:10.380 They cannot fathom that there is this whole spectrum of disagreement outside and we're all

01:09:14.780 hanging out with each other.

01:09:16.000 I got Michael Malice coming on this show, not a leftist, saying abolish the police.

01:09:21.260 And he's more likely to culturally agree with conservatives.

01:09:24.740 That's the thing.

01:09:25.260 Yeah.

01:09:25.420 I enjoy talking with Michael Malice because I feel like we have enough common ground, but

01:09:30.360 there's enough to argue about too.

01:09:32.020 You know, we'll sort of give each other a little bit of pushback.

01:09:34.120 So it sharpens the rhetorical tools, so to speak.

01:09:37.500 And it's just exhausting when you're having a conversation with someone who is committed

01:09:43.500 to misunderstanding you.

01:09:45.120 And I think that happens when you talk with a lot of left-wing people, you know, they really

01:09:50.000 can't hear what you're saying because if they do and they go along with you and you end

01:09:53.640 up saying something that they can't deny is true, then their audience gets upset with

01:09:58.040 them and they don't want their audience to be upset with them.

01:10:01.220 Yeah.

01:10:01.620 Tim, what are you doing?

01:10:03.960 I just got a notification and I have to pull this up.

01:10:07.140 I have to pull it.

01:10:08.200 No, you guys won't.

01:10:08.980 I have drank way too much of this.

01:10:10.140 Hold on.

01:10:11.020 John, take my seat for Tuesday.

01:10:12.100 Okay.

01:10:12.820 So.

01:10:13.300 We got breaking news.

01:10:14.740 Oh, do we?

01:10:15.940 Are you kidding me?

01:10:17.140 What is this?

01:10:17.680 Somebody troll you, buddy?

01:10:18.980 It's from 19 hours ago.

01:10:20.360 Oh my God.

01:10:20.740 Kanye West hires Milo Yiannopoulos back to lead his 2024 campaign.

01:10:26.120 Are you serious?

01:10:26.960 Did he realize he really needed him the whole time?

01:10:28.980 Bringing in former collaborator Milo back into the mix.

01:10:33.000 Wow.

01:10:34.100 I got a notification.

01:10:35.800 You got it 19 hours late though.

01:10:38.120 I know.

01:10:38.620 I know.

01:10:39.000 Someone sent it to me.

01:10:39.440 Did you, uh, so, so are you voting yay 2024, Tim?

01:10:43.060 I don't know, man.

01:10:44.200 You know, it's tough because I don't know if yay actually has properly thought out.

01:10:49.960 I don't.

01:10:50.660 His positions, you know, like he said all that stuff about Hitler.

01:10:54.800 It's yeah.

01:10:55.400 Those are kind of alarming things.

01:10:57.140 I'm kind of like, I'm wondering if he's thought.

01:11:02.320 You know, it's funny is a lot of people came to his defense over that.

01:11:05.640 And like his point was that he has a Christian loves everybody.

01:11:09.740 And I'm like, I understand the attempt, but for the love of all that is holy, there are

01:11:16.080 people who are evil and like, come on, man, you know, but, you know, Ian, Ian tried defending

01:11:22.760 yay after that happened, saying he's trying to say he's a good Christian and he loves everybody.

01:11:25.760 And I'm like, I get it.

01:11:28.260 But some people like, dude, what are you talking about?

01:11:32.120 But like, and what I can't stand is how the left often just isolates Hitler, Stalin, Shea

01:11:37.760 Guevara, Mao Zedong.

01:11:40.180 I mean, like there are just very, very evil, demonic people who must be stopped.

01:11:45.220 And there's look, well, there's Hitler like dogs.

01:11:48.980 I'm sure I don't consider that even a redeeming quality of the man.

01:11:51.960 You know, for sure.

01:11:52.640 But there's also something very bizarre about the fact that Hitler.

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01:13:24.220 Hitler is the only evil person the left can identify in the 20th century.

01:13:28.660 Well, Voldemort.

01:13:29.440 Yeah, and Voldemort.

01:13:30.920 So like, yes, obviously Hitler was a horrifically evil person.

01:13:34.760 Stalin and Mao and Mao Zedong also were.

01:13:38.320 It's just fascinating to me that there's only one person in the 20th century who we can all

01:13:43.060 agree is evil.

01:13:44.260 Stalin was also evil.

01:13:45.180 But you've got tankies who will go off.

01:13:47.280 No, he wasn't that bad.

01:13:48.620 And there are people on the left who won't who won't say that they're tankies, but they'll

01:13:52.540 effectively engage in in genocide denial, the likes of which would get somebody called

01:13:58.300 a neo-Nazi.

01:13:59.240 But what they do it when they're talking about Stalin or Mao.

01:14:02.320 So it's considered acceptable.

01:14:03.640 Oh, there's no way he could have killed that many people.

01:14:06.060 OK, well, you're just a Holocaust denier at this point, right?

01:14:08.380 You know, you know, I'm really excited for.

01:14:09.500 So J.K. Rowling writes a book series that's basically about magical Hitler.

01:14:15.960 Voldemort is his magic Hitler?

01:14:17.500 Yeah, it is.

01:14:18.740 I mean, I told you, I told you, I believe in anti-Harry Potter action.

01:14:23.120 But have you read all the books?

01:14:24.960 No, I've not read Harry Potter.

01:14:26.100 The story is Voldemort is a pure he's not a pure blood wizard himself.

01:14:31.040 He's a half blood wizard.

01:14:32.240 And he believes only wizards born of two wizard parents should be in control.

01:14:38.020 Like this is Voldemort.

01:14:40.520 Tim's explaining why he agrees with Voldemort and why he's the best character.

01:14:44.200 Voldemort wants pure blood wizard supremacy.

01:14:46.980 So he's Hitler.

01:14:47.820 He's magic.

01:14:48.520 And they call Hermione a mudblood because her parents are non-magical, but she has magic

01:14:53.380 powers.

01:14:53.880 So she's, you know, J.K.

01:14:56.340 Rowling writes this whole book, which is basically just it's wizards.

01:14:59.900 And then the bad guy's Hitler.

01:15:01.020 And then she makes a new series and it's called Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.

01:15:06.140 Guess what that's about?

01:15:07.320 It's the 1920s.

01:15:08.920 And there's a different magic Hitler who believes the exact same things.

01:15:12.360 They're like, wait, hold on.

01:15:13.420 So no, no, no, they're not magic Hitler.

01:15:15.180 The wizards are an impressed people.

01:15:17.200 The wizards are?

01:15:18.460 It's magic Malcolm X.

01:15:22.660 Voldemort is magic.

01:15:23.520 He does Malcolm-y.

01:15:24.640 No, no, no.

01:15:25.240 Here's my point.

01:15:26.020 Hold on, hold on.

01:15:27.120 No, I think you're right.

01:15:27.740 I am looking forward to now the new story that J.K.

01:15:30.920 Rowling writes, the sequel to Harry Potter, where there is a roving band of transmogrifiers

01:15:37.500 who are trying to forcefully turn the children of Hogwarts into animals.

01:15:43.160 Yeah.

01:15:43.680 And they're convincing the kids it's better to be an animal.

01:15:47.040 You see, my point is this.

01:15:47.980 J.K.

01:15:48.300 Rowling knows one evil, Hitler.

01:15:50.420 She writes a story and the villain is just magic Hitler.

01:15:53.340 Now that she's under fire from the trans community, the next story she's going to write is going

01:15:56.940 to be some kind of weird anti-communist thing.

01:15:58.640 Well, it's also, it's funny to me too, you know, I've said this before.

01:16:02.960 Conservatives will hold anyone who the left dislikes up as a hero.

01:16:07.080 And I think they've done a good job not doing that with J.K.

01:16:10.240 Rowling.

01:16:10.680 Fortunately, I think most conservatives still aren't huge fans of her and her politics.

01:16:15.060 Take the win, bro.

01:16:16.080 No, I hear you.

01:16:17.300 But my point is simply that.

01:16:18.780 What's wrong with her politics?

01:16:19.940 J.K.

01:16:20.480 Rowling?

01:16:21.060 She's definitely on the left.

01:16:21.820 Remember when she rewrote Voldemort or she rewrote Dumbledore to be gay?

01:16:25.660 Yeah, and Hermione's black.

01:16:26.480 She retconned that and Hermione's black now.

01:16:28.180 But that's her.

01:16:28.700 She's placed into identity politics, but hold on.

01:16:30.180 No, no, no, no.

01:16:30.660 She then got shoved by the left into the hands of the right.

01:16:36.940 No, no, I get it.

01:16:37.640 But I'm also saying that I haven't heard many right-wing people go, oh, she's the greatest.

01:16:41.300 This is the only point that I'm trying to make here.

01:16:42.820 And that's a problem.

01:16:43.520 No, no, no.

01:16:44.140 This is the, I think it's good, but that's not even the point I'm trying to make.

01:16:47.180 No, you're wrong.

01:16:47.220 No, I think that.

01:16:48.000 Excuse me, wrong.

01:16:48.820 I think that the right should say, we are glad J.K.

01:16:52.060 Rowling stood up for this and said this thing, and that's good, while still recognizing

01:16:55.140 we don't agree with her on everything.

01:16:56.620 Wrong.

01:16:57.040 However.

01:16:57.580 Excuse me, excuse me.

01:16:58.960 Quite frankly, Tim.

01:16:59.960 You're disagreeing.

01:17:02.000 Now I'm Fauci, you're Trump.

01:17:03.260 The simple point I'm trying to make is, what J.K.

01:17:06.300 Rowling said was, I don't think women should be called menstruators.

01:17:10.660 She basically made a tweet about the fact that women shouldn't be called menstruators.

01:17:13.620 And the left went, she's genociding people!

01:17:16.240 It's a genocide!

01:17:17.260 It's like, oh my goodness, that's all it took?

01:17:19.160 That's all it took?

01:17:20.460 She's on the left with basically every issue, but she said, please don't call me menstruator,

01:17:24.360 which is fair.

01:17:25.180 In a workplace, calling a woman menstruator will get you sent to HR.

01:17:27.660 And J.K.

01:17:28.400 Rowling simply voicing on Twitter that on a wide social scale, she doesn't like that

01:17:31.160 no man's place.

01:17:31.340 Do you want to win, Seamus?

01:17:33.220 No.

01:17:33.700 You don't?

01:17:34.340 No?

01:17:34.440 I want to save my soul.

01:17:35.580 Okay.

01:17:36.500 Do you want to save the souls of other people?

01:17:38.500 Yeah.

01:17:38.960 Okay.

01:17:39.760 So now that-

01:17:40.420 I know where you're going with this.

01:17:41.020 The largest intellectual property of our generation is the writer of that, who has just licensed

01:17:47.120 the show to HBO.

01:17:48.720 They're redoing Harry Potter as a series.

01:17:50.760 Yeah.

01:17:51.120 And it's going to be massive with seven seasons like Game of Thrones, and they're going to-

01:17:54.840 She needs to write the next chapters-

01:17:57.620 For sure.

01:17:57.960 Of this universe.

01:17:59.260 And now that her mind has been opened to the horrors of the left, there's an opportunity

01:18:03.920 for the right to say-

01:18:04.880 Absolutely.

01:18:05.300 Please hear what we have to say.

01:18:07.480 And when the right approaches her with a delicious butterbeer and says, have a drink, she'll

01:18:12.880 say, please explain.

01:18:14.520 Then she'll say, I did not know those things.

01:18:16.720 Then when she writes a story that will be read by millions, hundreds of millions of children,

01:18:22.540 and it explains the horrors of left-wing ideology, you will have won one of the biggest culture

01:18:28.160 war battles of our generation.

01:18:29.560 I don't necessarily-

01:18:30.700 There's a lot there.

01:18:32.300 I don't necessarily disagree with the overarching statement you're making.

01:18:37.100 I'm just saying it drives me crazy when conservatives go, this person is right about

01:18:40.300 one thing, based.

01:18:41.580 It's like, man, the bar is so low.

01:18:43.660 The bar is so low.

01:18:45.100 She's like, don't call me menstruator.

01:18:47.840 We're like, based.

01:18:48.880 It's so based.

01:18:49.840 It's like, that's the bare minimum.

01:18:51.860 Yes, but you have to move the line.

01:18:53.980 You can't-

01:18:54.280 No, I hear you.

01:18:54.700 Look, I'm not saying it's not good that she said that.

01:18:56.640 That's not what I'm saying.

01:18:57.380 I'm saying I don't like when conservatives worship somebody who's just slightly less

01:19:02.140 other left than all the other lefties.

01:19:03.760 Let's say there's a football field with two end zones.

01:19:08.220 I reject your analogy.

01:19:09.120 100 yards.

01:19:10.480 And everyone right now is at the 10-yard line towards the left goalpost.

01:19:16.940 And J.K. Rowling is right there.

01:19:18.820 And you say, okay, here's what we can do.

01:19:21.320 We can fire her out of a cannon to the right-wing end zone.

01:19:26.000 Or we can take her by the hand and start walking.

01:19:28.840 What would happen if you fired her out of the cannon?

01:19:32.040 She would explode into a million pieces and would be dead.

01:19:35.100 That's-

01:19:35.420 I'm not able to be clear.

01:19:36.440 I disavow.

01:19:37.240 If you take her by the hand and start walking her slowly, it will take a long time,

01:19:41.780 but she will actually make it closer to that end zone.

01:19:43.760 My point is in this analogy, you can't force someone from the far end to the other far end

01:19:49.300 overnight.

01:19:49.880 Let me make a much cooler analogy.

01:19:51.560 So let's say we also have a football field, right?

01:19:53.780 And we have a football player.

01:19:55.120 And we have one football player who says, you know what?

01:19:57.220 I think touchdowns are at the 10-yard line.

01:19:59.980 So when I get to that 10-yard line, I'm just going to stay there and I'm not going to go

01:20:03.720 all the way to the other side.

01:20:05.300 Okay, we can say that's great that they were able to move the football to that other side

01:20:08.740 of the field, but they're not exactly the most effective player.

01:20:11.780 They're not exactly the most effective player.

01:20:13.240 The better analogy, excuse me, would be that when the football team moves the line of

01:20:20.460 scrimmage, so the football's thrown, the guy catches it, he makes it past, I don't know

01:20:25.020 enough about football, but he makes it past the line, is it a line of scrimmage?

01:20:27.860 Let's not pretend any of us watch sports.

01:20:29.500 My point is this, if you're at the 10-yard line and you're on defense and you intercept

01:20:35.400 the ball and then you push it and move the line back, now in possession, you cheer for

01:20:41.900 that, the crowd goes wild.

01:20:43.380 But if the football player stops at that line and they throw, they spike the ball on the

01:20:47.120 ground and they're a touchdown!

01:20:48.240 I did it!

01:20:49.060 And everyone goes, yeah, that's a touchdown!

01:20:50.280 That's not what's happening.

01:20:50.860 And it's like, no, that's not where we're trying to go.

01:20:52.620 When J.K. Rowling says, don't call me a menstruator and everyone yells based, they're

01:20:55.980 cheering, they move the line back.

01:20:57.780 No, I agree.

01:20:58.560 That's it.

01:20:59.380 No, I don't, look, I don't disagree with that.

01:21:01.280 I don't disagree with that.

01:21:02.040 I'm just saying, I don't like the way.

01:21:03.120 I just don't like the way that the right starts to idolize these people.

01:21:06.240 That's my only point.

01:21:06.980 I think we should, when somebody does something good that moves the ball in the right direction,

01:21:10.540 so to speak, I think we should praise it.

01:21:12.240 But I don't think we should make them an icon.

01:21:13.660 And I think conservatives have done a good job of not turning her into an icon.

01:21:16.500 I actually appreciate that.

01:21:17.600 When Bill Maher or Jon Stewart say something that slightly transgresses upon the realm of

01:21:22.560 the reasonable, conservatives go, they're so based!

01:21:24.940 It's like, no, okay, it was good that they said that thing, but we have to remember who

01:21:28.560 this person is.

01:21:31.380 I'm just imagining you guys in an empty football stadium, screaming at each other with the

01:21:35.520 ball, trying to argue about this.

01:21:37.180 But I was just thinking, I don't even know if she's in the realm of left-right at all.

01:21:41.700 Like if she's even, I think she's in an entire, I think she's on a, she's a witch, she's a satanist.

01:21:45.180 She's playing ice hockey while you guys are at the football stadium.

01:21:49.000 No, one of the biggest mistakes of the 2016 election.

01:21:52.000 That was a Canadian thing to say.

01:21:52.980 That was a very Canadian thing to say.

01:21:55.040 Is she curling over there?

01:21:56.580 One of the biggest mistakes of the 2016 election, I think, was actually the Make America Great

01:22:00.720 Again logo.

01:22:01.220 I wore the hat, I loved it, you know, all that.

01:22:03.220 But I look back on it and I'm like, there's no way we can recreate the 50s, the 60s.

01:22:07.820 We can, you know, wear the aesthetic fashion or this or that, you know, but it's always

01:22:12.160 going to be an aesthetic thing.

01:22:12.980 You can't recreate times past, you can't recreate movements past.

01:22:17.200 You need new things.

01:22:18.100 And I see JK Rowling, she's not a conservative, she's not a right winger, but she's kind of started

01:22:23.040 this new rad femme movement that I actually really appreciate.

01:22:27.380 I was walking around my small town in Canada and saw stickers saying, dump your porn sick

01:22:32.580 boyfriend and other ones saying, protect women's spaces.

01:22:35.780 And it's like a left wing area.

01:22:37.320 But this is like a movement that transcends left and right.

01:22:40.180 It's new.

01:22:40.940 It's interesting.

01:22:42.100 Trans.

01:22:42.680 Transcends.

01:22:43.120 And that's what we need.

01:22:45.980 We don't necessarily need the same, you know, age old archetypes we're convincing back and

01:22:52.080 forth.

01:22:52.300 Not to say I don't have my biases there, but there has to be something new for a modern

01:22:57.900 problems require modern solutions.

01:23:00.200 I don't I don't entirely agree with that.

01:23:02.080 I think there's some truth in that in the sense that, of course, there's that's why my

01:23:05.740 arms are crossed.

01:23:06.280 I'm very angry right now with both of you.

01:23:07.860 I'm sitting, I'm surrounded by people who are wrong about things.

01:23:10.660 So my arms are crossed.

01:23:12.520 I believe that when it comes to people like TERFs, we 100 percent agree, just as I think

01:23:18.920 it's great that Matt Gaetz and AOC are working together to pass legislation that says people

01:23:24.600 who are elected officials should not be able to trade.

01:23:29.160 I would also say that we should be willing to work with people with whom we disagree when

01:23:33.540 there's common ground and we can achieve something together.

01:23:36.120 Absolutely no argument for me there.

01:23:37.620 However, we need to keep in mind who's substantive differences.

01:23:42.800 Who's we?

01:23:43.880 And that's exactly what we're trying to figure out, right?

01:23:47.260 Who is we?

01:23:48.480 And what are our principles?

01:23:49.420 In trying to find that our people are because purity spiraling into oblivion!

01:23:53.740 It's not purity spiraling!

01:23:55.380 You say that conservatives should mean something.

01:23:57.960 Of course it should, but it doesn't anymore.

01:23:59.780 My position is not that we refuse to collaborate with anyone with whom we can make ground in

01:24:09.380 the culture war.

01:24:10.220 My position is to simply say we need to operate from a position of principle and we need to

01:24:14.300 remember that all of the TERFs right now who are saying men should not be able to invade

01:24:19.020 women's spaces were cheering 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago every single time men's spaces

01:24:26.560 were invaded by women.

01:24:28.240 And now they are receiving their just desserts and they're saying, I don't like how this

01:24:33.600 tastes.

01:24:34.080 They're not the same people.

01:24:34.760 And so what we should be doing is saying, we will work with you on pushing the left back.

01:24:41.280 However, your root principles are bad and we need to help you understand that.

01:24:44.260 That's simply what I'm saying.

01:24:45.100 I agree with him.

01:24:45.480 They're not the same people.

01:24:46.260 We should collaborate.

01:24:46.640 The women who are saying we want our women's only gym are not the ones saying we need the

01:24:50.380 they're like, have your man's gym.

01:24:51.820 We don't want to be in your...

01:24:53.180 I said the TERFs.

01:24:54.000 I'm talking about TERFs specifically.

01:24:55.180 I'm not talking about your average woman.

01:24:56.580 A 30 year old rad fem or whatever was not in the 70s being like, men's spaces are ours.

01:25:04.620 They weren't alive.

01:25:05.320 No, but I'm saying they were the intellectual heirs of that.

01:25:07.720 So in 2010, in 2000...

01:25:09.880 The sins of the father.

01:25:10.440 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:25:11.740 I'm talking.

01:25:12.280 No, I'm just talking about 10 years ago.

01:25:14.100 I'm saying this started, or at least it began to manifest publicly in the 60s.

01:25:18.280 But if you go back 10 years ago, you had these feminists cheering for the elimination of male

01:25:23.100 only spaces.

01:25:24.100 This is stuff that happened within our lifetime.

01:25:26.160 What I'm saying...

01:25:26.800 And so here's my argument.

01:25:28.240 I don't know how you could disagree.

01:25:29.460 This next point I'm going to make, I don't know how you could disagree with this.

01:25:31.800 What I'm saying is, yes, we do need to work with people with whom we disagree, even

01:25:37.020 on principle, so that we can push the left back and have victories in the culture where

01:25:41.320 war, where we have common ground with those people.

01:25:43.840 However, and this is an important key point, once we get to that point where we no longer

01:25:49.240 agree, we're going to reach an impasse.

01:25:51.920 And so we need to figure out, as we're collaborating with them, what are our base principles?

01:25:57.060 Because we're not going to be able to move forward past the first victory that we get

01:26:00.960 if we can't agree upon where the culture needs to go.

01:26:03.660 Because JK Rowling can push back on the trans issues with us, and I think that's great if

01:26:08.240 she does that.

01:26:09.200 But once we get to that point, the next step is, well, now we need to stop normalizing

01:26:13.160 LGBTQ lifestyles in general to children, and she's not with us there.

01:26:17.260 Let me, let me, let me, if aliens attacked Earth, I absolutely would team up with Lance

01:26:22.800 and Vosch.

01:26:23.320 You're not hearing me.

01:26:24.840 You're not hearing me.

01:26:25.760 I'm not saying we shouldn't.

01:26:26.960 I'm not saying we shouldn't team up with people with whom we disagree.

01:26:29.360 I'm saying we need to figure out our principles.

01:26:30.460 Has JK Rowling promoted making...

01:26:31.660 I know, and you let me finish my point.

01:26:32.980 Well, go ahead.

01:26:33.360 Children, LGBTQ?

01:26:34.660 Well, she writes a series of children's books where she has made an effort to say that

01:26:38.920 there's LGBT representation in it, where she's saying this character in a children's book

01:26:42.260 is gay.

01:26:43.580 And there's a reason conservatives...

01:26:45.020 She never even explicitly said that in the book.

01:26:47.140 She just said later, the old man in it.

01:26:48.960 I'm saying there's a reason conservatives are upset by that.

01:26:50.400 But the new movies explicitly have the gay romance...

01:26:53.400 Like the third movie, The Secret of Dumbledore, the secret is he's gay.

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01:28:22.960 So the secret of Dumbledore is the third Fantastic Beasts, I think.

01:28:27.600 Yeah, it's Fantastic Beasts and Crimes of Grindelwald.

01:28:30.440 Secret of Dumbledore is that Dumbledore is gay and had sex with magic Hitler.

01:28:35.040 But I'm not trying to be crass.

01:28:37.300 Like, that's literally the story.

01:28:38.340 I think I want to, I just want to ensure, because I think we're talking past each other.

01:28:41.740 I want to make my point really clear here.

01:28:43.200 I am saying when we agree with them, we should work with them where we have common ground.

01:28:47.900 We also can't forget our principles.

01:28:50.080 And we need to do the work to try to convince them of a more robust, principled version of that position.

01:28:57.400 Yeah.

01:28:57.680 And so many-

01:28:58.720 Is the political goal to ban portrayals of gay people in movies?

01:29:03.000 It's to make them unthinkable.

01:29:04.280 It's to bring it to the point where parents would not want their children to be consuming

01:29:07.100 any kind of media franchise that promotes those lifestyles.

01:29:09.640 And we're not going to get there overnight.

01:29:11.500 And I'm not saying we are going to get there overnight, but I'm saying we should know what

01:29:14.040 our principles are.

01:29:14.700 So how would you do, so let's say Seamus becomes the president.

01:29:18.600 What policies would you put in place to ensure there were no gay Dumbledores in movies?

01:29:22.760 I don't think, I don't think you're, again, you're not understanding my position.

01:29:25.600 My position is not saying that right now.

01:29:27.980 Yeah, absolutely.

01:29:28.620 My position is not that we are going to have an instant solution, and it's certainly not

01:29:34.040 that we're going to have an instant top-down solution.

01:29:36.260 My argument is simply that as conservatives, we need to be rooted in principle so that when

01:29:41.700 we do work with left-wing people on things that we do have some agreement on, we don't

01:29:47.040 lose sight of our actual end goal.

01:29:49.640 It's not me saying that tomorrow-

01:29:51.160 I get it, I get it.

01:29:51.960 So I'm going to make a fan fiction Freedom Tunes channel where everything's the same,

01:29:58.000 but all the characters are gay.

01:29:59.420 I'm sure that exists somewhere.

01:30:01.480 So if I'm J.K. Rowling and you're coming up to me saying, I want to work with you, and

01:30:06.420 I guess putting myself in her brain, assuming that it was my goal to have a gay Dumbledore

01:30:13.160 in a movie, I'd be wondering, why would I work with you if your end goal is to try to

01:30:17.000 ban my movies?

01:30:18.280 I'm not going to, look, she can choose whether she wants to work with me or not.

01:30:21.640 I'm not going to lie to her about what my beliefs are to get her on my side.

01:30:25.940 And then what if, though, after the left ruthlessly attacked J.K. Rowling and tried to destroy

01:30:30.500 everything she's ever done, she decides, you know what, I'm going to stick it so hard

01:30:35.600 to these people, she just tweets, Dumbledore's actually not gay anymore.

01:30:38.520 She goes, Dumbledore was straight the whole time!

01:30:41.920 No, no, no.

01:30:43.920 Dumbledore wasn't a man straighter!

01:30:45.880 She could write, if she so choose, after the events of The Secrets of Dumbledore, Dumbledore

01:30:50.820 had conversion therapy successfully, but she can do that!

01:30:54.220 Magic conversion therapy!

01:30:56.220 Oh, please!

01:30:57.220 Or, she can be like, he drank a potion that made him straight.

01:31:00.620 Oh my goodness!

01:31:01.620 The straight potion!

01:31:02.620 Oh my goodness!

01:31:03.620 The unforgivable spell is when you turn someone straight!

01:31:07.620 The fourth, so there's unforgivable curses, right?

01:31:10.620 There's an unforgivable curse where you turn someone heterosexual!

01:31:14.620 So there's three, but she could do this.

01:31:17.020 There's, um, Avada Kedavra, I know this, okay?

01:31:20.020 Oh, man.

01:31:21.020 Oh, man.

01:31:22.020 You shouldn't.

01:31:23.020 The Cruciatus curse, and, um, what's the, the third one mind controls people.

01:31:27.020 The gay curse.

01:31:28.020 I forgot what it's called, though.

01:31:29.020 The gay curse.

01:31:30.020 So there's the killing curse, the torture curse, and the mind control curse are the

01:31:33.020 three unforgivable curses.

01:31:34.020 She could, if she wanted, write one, the fourth unforgivable curse turns a person straight.

01:31:40.020 Like, my point is just this.

01:31:42.020 As the creator of the Harry Potter universe, and the controller of a multi-billion dollar

01:31:45.620 friend.

01:31:46.620 Do it!

01:31:47.620 Do it!

01:31:48.620 Do it!

01:31:49.620 Think about this, Seamus.

01:31:50.620 If she gets to the point where she gets so angry at being beaten down by these people,

01:31:55.620 she very, so here's what happened.

01:31:57.620 She made Dumbledore gay because of social pressure.

01:32:00.620 If these people push her too hard, she might just finally be like, you know what?

01:32:03.620 Fine!

01:32:04.620 Screw it!

01:32:05.620 Hermione's white, Dumbledore isn't gay anymore, and trans people aren't in the Harry Potter

01:32:10.820 universe.

01:32:11.820 Well, most of the Harry Potter universe is really, like, quite right-wing.

01:32:16.220 It's, it's, you know, they've created this ethno-state for wizards.

01:32:20.220 Nationalist.

01:32:21.220 Very nationalist.

01:32:22.220 It's all about walls.

01:32:24.220 They're not letting anyone in here.

01:32:26.220 Hogwarts, surrounded by a magic barrier.

01:32:28.220 And Diagon Alley, this brick wall that you can't get through unless you have magic powers.

01:32:31.220 Absolutely.

01:32:32.220 Yeah, they're all Satanists.

01:32:34.220 Well, see, this is, this is what I mean.

01:32:36.220 I don't think that Voldemort represents-

01:32:38.420 They have Christmas.

01:32:39.420 I don't think Voldemort is Hitler.

01:32:40.420 I mean, a lot of Satanists' culture weren't to celebrate Christmas.

01:32:42.420 They weren't genociding witches in America.

01:32:44.420 Why, he's like, let's start a movement against these genocidal maniacs.

01:32:48.420 They celebrated Christmas.

01:32:49.420 Look, a lot of people celebrate Christmas who don't really believe.

01:32:52.420 Yes, but the point is, if you see heathens start to take up a practice, you don't say,

01:32:58.620 well, you know, you're a heathen.

01:32:59.620 Yes, I do.

01:33:00.620 You say, let me teach you more.

01:33:01.620 No, no, I agree with you.

01:33:02.620 Come with me and let me show you what this is all about.

01:33:03.620 I agree with you.

01:33:04.620 I agree with you.

01:33:05.620 So if Harry Potter is a Satanist, but he's enjoying Christmas, Christmas is your open

01:33:10.720 door to save, you can fix Harry.

01:33:12.520 I'm like, well, Harry, you like this holiday, let me tell you something.

01:33:15.820 Let's have a conversation, buddy.

01:33:17.300 Hold on, there is something interesting about them celebrating Christmas, but being witches

01:33:20.720 and wizards.

01:33:21.120 There is something very interesting.

01:33:21.460 Maybe it's like some kind of black Christmas, you know, they're doing like a satanic version

01:33:25.240 of it.

01:33:27.220 Harry Potter doing a satanic.

01:33:30.880 Worshipping the devil.

01:33:32.100 He is, he's worshipping the devil.

01:33:33.480 No, but there is an interesting implication of what that means for what, what Jesus represents

01:33:37.760 in the Harry Potter universe.

01:33:39.120 Well, no, right.

01:33:39.800 There's a real wizard.

01:33:40.640 What is Jesus Christ?

01:33:41.520 But this is my point.

01:33:42.240 And this is, this is part of why I was never like, I never, to be fair, I never actually

01:33:47.060 cared that much about Harry Potter.

01:33:48.540 The reason I think it's an interesting conversation is because J.K.

01:33:51.140 Rowling came up, but people will say, if you think that magic and literature is bad,

01:33:55.980 why are you okay with it in Lord of the Rings?

01:33:57.720 There's a very simple reason because in Lord of the Rings, you're dealing with a completely

01:34:01.180 fictional universe and Gandalf is supposed to be analogous to some kind of angel.

01:34:05.960 Wizard is just the term that's used.

01:34:08.700 In Harry Potter, they live in our world.

01:34:11.200 They live in the real world where they go hide from the authorities and do witchcraft.

01:34:16.340 And there is a Christmas, which means Jesus exists in this universe.

01:34:20.500 This is not some alternate universe where there's no God.

01:34:23.180 And it also means that they're openly defying the church.

01:34:27.160 So that is why Harry Potter is wicked.

01:34:29.920 In every book, they celebrate Christmas.

01:34:31.820 Every single book.

01:34:33.100 You know, I've been, I've been to Hogwarts.

01:34:34.740 Take, take, take what you can.

01:34:36.020 In real life.

01:34:36.600 Where's, where's Hogwarts in real life?

01:34:37.960 They've got one in South Africa.

01:34:40.000 What?

01:34:40.240 If you go to like Johannesburg and stuff, every other ad up is for them.

01:34:44.020 Serge, is that true?

01:34:45.100 Okay, wait.

01:34:45.820 He says yes.

01:34:47.200 Did you go to Hogwarts, bro?

01:34:48.900 Is that where you studied?

01:34:49.620 But you know how like they have like the tri-wizard cup and they have all the different schools

01:34:55.180 come out?

01:34:55.800 I was really surprised they didn't have the one I went to in South Africa.

01:34:59.180 If you go through the black tribal homelands, they've got like the witch doctor school there.

01:35:03.700 It's like the, the Hogwarts in Africa.

01:35:05.560 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:35:06.760 And, um, anyways, they've got like ads.

01:35:11.020 It's a huge business.

01:35:12.880 They've got ads everywhere for like lover's potions, penis enlargement, everything all over Johannesburg.

01:35:18.420 And you have to go to the witch doctor school and the black, or I'm sure they've got a few

01:35:22.020 of them.

01:35:22.760 So Hogwarts is there.

01:35:24.880 Yep.

01:35:25.060 They've got Hogwarts and South Africa.

01:35:26.460 Satanic.

01:35:27.060 So here's what I'm saying, Seamus.

01:35:28.420 If these secular liberals love Harry Potter, Christmas is your end.

01:35:34.220 But here's the thing.

01:35:35.180 You've got, you've got to open door right there, bro.

01:35:36.520 Secular liberals love Harry Potter until J.K.

01:35:39.040 Rowling says, hey, can you please not call me menstruator?

01:35:41.340 And then they go, ah!

01:35:43.100 And they lose their mind.

01:35:44.400 They freak out.

01:35:45.620 They lose their minds.

01:35:46.420 Could Harry become a Christian?

01:35:49.140 Yeah, Harry could renounce his ways.

01:35:51.380 I would say, does he have to stop using magic?

01:35:53.740 Absolutely he has to stop using magic.

01:35:55.540 He can't hold on to his sin.

01:35:56.780 Your faith has to cost you something.

01:35:57.940 Wait, wait, hold on.

01:35:58.600 Why is magic a sin?

01:36:00.240 Because you're attempting to seek a kind of control over nature that is illicit and not

01:36:04.140 given to you by God.

01:36:05.180 Well, then how did he become a wizard?

01:36:07.180 By worshiping the devil.

01:36:08.440 No, but you're born with it.

01:36:10.420 Yeah, God made it that way.

01:36:11.540 Yeah, I disagree.

01:36:12.520 This is so, I think I know what J.K.

01:36:15.300 Rowling was getting at there, Tim.

01:36:17.000 Okay?

01:36:17.580 Someone's mad they didn't get their Hogwarts letter.

01:36:21.100 Seamus, God made them.

01:36:23.000 God made them with magic powers.

01:36:24.500 God makes everyone with original sins.

01:36:26.920 In the book, Harry.

01:36:27.560 So just because someone was born a certain way.

01:36:28.140 No, no, no, hold on.

01:36:28.740 I shouldn't say he makes you.

01:36:29.500 You didn't read the book.

01:36:30.300 In the book, Harry is exhibiting magic out of his control.

01:36:33.820 And that's how you get a Hogwarts letter.

01:36:36.180 And I was born with an increased proclivity for alcoholism because of my Irish genetics.

01:36:40.140 But that doesn't justify the behavior.

01:36:42.420 What's your horoscope?

01:36:43.760 To stop using magic.

01:36:44.780 Oh, my gosh.

01:36:45.580 I don't know.

01:36:46.620 I actually do know because I went to art school.

01:36:48.920 And so enough girls went, you were born at this time.

01:36:51.560 This is your sign.

01:36:52.640 I was like, I don't believe it.

01:36:53.540 Could I get the exact time of birth and date and the position of the moon and the sun?

01:36:58.620 That would be helpful.

01:36:59.340 Well, if this model really has predictive power, you should be able to tell me what my sign is.

01:37:03.880 But none of them can do that.

01:37:07.200 Seamus is a cancer.

01:37:09.960 What?

01:37:10.740 I'm like, what are you saying?

01:37:12.340 Oh, you're predicting my horoscope sign.

01:37:13.800 Are you a cancer?

01:37:14.260 You're an Aries.

01:37:18.760 That's actually true.

01:37:19.960 Actually?

01:37:20.320 She actually got me on that.

01:37:21.440 An Aries?

01:37:21.960 All women are witches.

01:37:23.880 That's not.

01:37:24.640 No, I actually agree with that.

01:37:26.400 I do agree.

01:37:27.020 Oh, yeah.

01:37:27.040 Your birthday's in March, isn't it?

01:37:28.440 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:29.000 Oh, I should have known that.

01:37:29.520 Our birthdays are pretty similar.

01:37:30.900 Yeah, and Aries are evil.

01:37:32.720 So, you know, that's really obvious.

01:37:33.440 Yeah, that's right.

01:37:33.980 And Pisces are all good.

01:37:35.300 Yeah, that's exactly it.

01:37:36.600 There's science behind this.

01:37:37.920 Well, let me explain the science for you, Seamus.

01:37:39.340 So, your first life in this universe is as an Aries.

01:37:42.960 Oh, okay.

01:37:43.620 Your next life is, what's after Aries?

01:37:45.700 Cancer?

01:37:46.460 No.

01:37:46.600 Is in either heaven or hell.

01:37:47.860 That's where my next life is, buddy.

01:37:49.060 Cancer's after Gemini.

01:37:50.300 Gemini.

01:37:50.660 Okay, so like, every life you live, you start as an Aries, and then you work your way down

01:37:56.140 each sign, and your last life is at Pisces.

01:38:00.800 Who told you that?

01:38:02.660 Some 17-year-old girl at a coffee shop who had a bunch of beads on.

01:38:05.920 What if you're like, well...

01:38:06.740 I'm not kidding!

01:38:07.320 That's actually what you're doing.

01:38:08.960 I thought you were going to say, like, well, I went to Catholic school.

01:38:10.900 No, I was at a cafe, and some hippie chick told me that.

01:38:13.040 You went to cafe school?

01:38:14.560 Cafe school?

01:38:15.400 No.

01:38:15.680 I'm not speaking seriously about it.

01:38:18.020 That's what I was told.

01:38:19.320 That's what I was told.

01:38:20.220 They were like, that's what I was told.

01:38:21.600 That means it's true.

01:38:22.500 Excuse me.

01:38:23.560 Excuse me.

01:38:24.000 I was told by a hippie chick it was true.

01:38:26.560 Okay.

01:38:27.140 A woman with bangs told me.

01:38:29.140 A woman with bangs.

01:38:30.040 She wore round Harry Potter glasses and had bangs.

01:38:32.200 I'll tell you a story, though.

01:38:33.360 I'll tell you a story.

01:38:33.920 When I was 16, I was at a coffee shop, and there was this guy who used to do tarot card readings

01:38:37.300 for everybody.

01:38:38.000 Oh, my gosh.

01:38:38.300 And they, like, knew him, and he was, like, some older dude.

01:38:40.520 And I was playing an open mic night or something, and then someone asked me if I ever had my

01:38:45.120 reading done or whatever, and I said no.

01:38:47.420 Like, no, I'm trying to go to heaven.

01:38:48.540 They were like, do you want to do it?

01:38:49.700 Here's what happened.

01:38:50.440 He gives me the deck and says, shuffle the cards.

01:38:53.020 And so that's how you do it.

01:38:54.180 I shuffle them up, hand them back.

01:38:57.120 He then cuts the cards.

01:38:58.620 He then drew them out in a pyramid from one to four, and it was, like, all swords, all

01:39:05.660 of one suit in the tarot card deck, and he went, oh, my God.

01:39:08.240 And I was like, what is it?

01:39:10.020 And he was like, you are going to do whatever you want to do.

01:39:14.460 That literally said, you're going to do whatever you want to do.

01:39:17.320 And then I was like, what does that mean?

01:39:19.300 He was like, whatever you want will happen.

01:39:21.160 That's so vague.

01:39:23.620 Telling me that I will get whatever I wanted.

01:39:25.320 Oh, well, if he's saying you're going to do whatever you want to do.

01:39:27.080 And he drew one card, then two, then three, and it was like one sword, sword, sword, sword,

01:39:31.680 sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword.

01:39:33.240 It was kind of crazy.

01:39:34.100 He's wrong.

01:39:34.380 I absolutely believe in witchcraft.

01:39:36.940 I absolutely believe in the spiritual realm.

01:39:39.080 I think it's real.

01:39:39.980 I agree, too.

01:39:41.260 I think it's a mixture.

01:39:42.100 I think 98% of the time, it's just BS in a person playing tricks and doing cold reading.

01:39:47.020 I think maybe like 2% of them maybe actually do have some contact with the demonic reality

01:39:53.080 that gives them heightened information.

01:39:54.940 You're right, but I think there is some kind of magic.

01:39:59.340 I don't think it's like Harry Potter going, woohoo, and then like a beam of light comes

01:40:04.520 out.

01:40:04.840 No.

01:40:05.160 I think that-

01:40:06.180 It's like stealing somebody's hair like a weird pervert and then tying it up with a dead

01:40:09.680 bird.

01:40:10.600 No, I just think-

01:40:11.500 And then just doing your little incantations.

01:40:13.440 I think it's more rudimentary than that.

01:40:14.660 I think people's influence and will can impact the universe in like ways that people don't

01:40:21.360 quite understand.

01:40:22.020 That is to say, there is something beyond us that we can't perceive of, that we're connected

01:40:26.220 to, that our desires and passions and will has an influence over.

01:40:31.240 I guess I would have to know more specifically what you mean by that.

01:40:34.140 He's talking about manifesting.

01:40:35.840 Yeah, because I don't translate that from manifesting.

01:40:40.040 I don't think manifesting.

01:40:42.440 I think that the idea of manifesting something implies that existence isn't real until you

01:40:47.940 observe it, which I disagree with.

01:40:49.500 Well, isn't that guy telling you with the swords, you can manifest whatever you want

01:40:53.100 through your mind?

01:40:53.540 With that basically, I'll put it this way.

01:40:56.400 I believe that everybody has some kind of access to something beyond us to varying degrees.

01:41:05.100 Some people have no, like, let's call it a third eye.

01:41:08.140 It's not the easiest way to explain what I see in my mind, but it's the easiest way for

01:41:11.700 the average person to understand what I'm kind of trying to say.

01:41:13.660 Let's say that you have a third eye that is very strong and pronounced in your mind that

01:41:19.240 connects you very deeply to the spiritual.

01:41:22.120 You likely will understand God.

01:41:24.900 You will, in your mind, you'll be like, it's just, of course, there's a God.

01:41:27.720 If you have a very, very tiny pea-sized little itty-beety third eye, you're going to be

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01:43:00.720 Put the stuff in our water.

01:43:04.840 That's right.

01:43:05.500 That actually is a conspiracy.

01:43:06.020 Because they want you to be a gay frog.

01:43:07.300 It calcifies your...

01:43:08.420 They calcify your pineal gland.

01:43:09.400 Right, exactly.

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01:43:12.520 I believe so.

01:43:13.500 I believe that...

01:43:14.720 To strip you away from God.

01:43:16.420 I wouldn't call this a question of your third eye, but I do think that, you know,

01:43:19.840 God gives us graces, it's very mysterious.

01:43:22.720 I believe God gives everyone all the graces they need to be saved.

01:43:25.100 However, it's clear he gives some people more graces than others, and there's a mystery

01:43:28.020 in that.

01:43:28.560 When you pray for something, is it a request?

01:43:32.340 I suppose so.

01:43:33.120 You could say it that way.

01:43:34.580 That's what I'm referring to when I say magic, right?

01:43:36.620 I think prayer is real.

01:43:38.220 Yeah.

01:43:38.480 And I think that...

01:43:40.060 Like, I was reading about studies where people who are prayed for in hospitals tend to do

01:43:44.140 better.

01:43:44.940 Is that...

01:43:45.220 I don't know if that's true.

01:43:46.080 I mean, I read it on the internet, so it must be, right?

01:43:47.860 Yeah.

01:43:48.280 But I was reading that there could be a lot of factors.

01:43:51.800 There could be the very secular in...

01:43:54.100 If you have a support network of people who care about you, who are literally telling

01:43:57.120 you they want you to live, you will fight.

01:43:59.200 And if you don't have that, you'll die.

01:44:00.600 But I do believe that, like, I think prayer, in whatever, however you want to describe

01:44:06.020 it, has some kind of impact.

01:44:07.660 I just...

01:44:08.100 I believe there's something bigger than us.

01:44:09.360 They need to do a controlled, randomized trial where they tell everyone they're praying

01:44:12.940 for them, and they only pray for half of them.

01:44:14.920 And then they say...

01:44:16.440 Yes, go to a church congregation and say, don't really pray for this thing.

01:44:20.260 Only pray for half of them.

01:44:22.020 But that would be making a request to God to sacrifice the person.

01:44:25.440 No, no, no.

01:44:25.880 You just wouldn't be making a...

01:44:27.100 For science.

01:44:27.160 No, you just would not be praying for those people.

01:44:29.640 They would only give you...

01:44:30.840 They would only...

01:44:31.500 God understands what you're doing.

01:44:33.380 No, no, no.

01:44:33.620 Here's what you do.

01:44:34.820 Here's what you do.

01:44:35.820 You go to the hospital.

01:44:37.620 You get a bunch of pictures and profiles of people.

01:44:39.540 There's 100 people.

01:44:40.620 You shuffle the deck.

01:44:41.720 You just discard 50 of them.

01:44:43.480 Then the other 50 you give to a congregation and say, pray for these 50 people.

01:44:47.200 And then you see who fares better.

01:44:48.540 And my point is, God knows what you did.

01:44:51.060 No, of course he does.

01:44:52.280 No, no.

01:44:52.660 I know he does.

01:44:53.780 Yeah, God's not going to be like, you got me.

01:44:56.060 I guess these ones have to die.

01:44:57.320 No, the point isn't to fool God.

01:44:58.720 The point is just that you see the difference between what happens and you pray for some

01:45:01.820 people and don't pray for other people.

01:45:03.080 That's all.

01:45:04.560 It's like, I'm just saying we need randomized clinical trials.

01:45:07.320 God is in heaven or whatever.

01:45:09.660 And then he's like going over his files.

01:45:11.060 And he's like, I got these 50 requests to save these people.

01:45:14.420 All right, let's save them.

01:45:15.600 These other 50 got thrown in the garbage.

01:45:17.180 So I'm going to ignore them.

01:45:17.940 But no, no, no.

01:45:18.540 It's just like, well, I guess you did tell them they were being prayed for.

01:45:21.920 Yeah.

01:45:22.060 Or what if you just don't tell any of them that they're being prayed for and then you

01:45:25.120 just pray for half of them?

01:45:26.040 Then it's ethical.

01:45:28.420 Well, but hold on.

01:45:29.460 Now are we agreeing that it's not ethical to not pray for people?

01:45:32.600 This is my point.

01:45:34.180 My point is whether you call it prayer or something else, I believe that humans do have a connection

01:45:38.780 to something beyond greater than them that may or may not have influence in reality.

01:45:44.120 I don't think it's such a thing as I pray to be rich and then all of a sudden you're rich.

01:45:49.020 I think you can pray for something and then the world can move in subtle ways to inch you

01:45:53.740 in the right direction.

01:45:54.500 Do you?

01:45:55.420 Or inch someone towards like betterment.

01:45:57.340 So then you're not a deist, right?

01:45:59.060 You would say that you're a theist because you believe God interferes in the universe currently.

01:46:02.420 He didn't just create it and then step back.

01:46:04.580 Yeah, I believe that God has an active role.

01:46:06.500 Okay.

01:46:06.720 But but it's probably it's it's not as pronounced as someone who believes that God is actively

01:46:10.800 watching over.

01:46:11.740 I think it's more like my my view is probably closer to in my minuscule and microscopic human

01:46:18.960 brain that God is God is actively paying attention.

01:46:22.740 But on a scale so vast, this moment in time is probably not as relevant to God as it is

01:46:27.900 to us.

01:46:28.820 So to to to a human being, it may appear as though God is not playing an active role.

01:46:33.340 But if you think about the longevity, longevity, longevity of the universe, I believe God is

01:46:37.980 actively involved.

01:46:39.980 So what I believe is that as human beings, right, when we try to pull back and focus

01:46:44.400 on too many things at once, each little thing becomes less important to us.

01:46:48.060 But with God, he's capable of holding everything as important, even when he's paying attention

01:46:54.820 to everything.

01:46:55.760 And so it's interesting, one thing, and this is actually something that I first received

01:47:02.240 as a joke.

01:47:02.900 It was someone did a web comic of this, but I thought it was really brilliant.

01:47:06.460 And the first panel is someone saying, have you ever seen, you know, the Discovery Channel?

01:47:12.140 Have you ever seen, you know, these documentaries on outer space?

01:47:15.340 The universe is so massive.

01:47:17.120 How could God care about us?

01:47:18.500 And then the second panel is a guy going, have you ever seen like the subatomic particles

01:47:22.840 like the universes who were so massive in comparison to the world?

01:47:26.540 And I do find it interesting that we want to focus on the vastness of the universe and

01:47:30.800 not pay any attention to the fact that, OK, firstly, hierarchical scale and the idea that

01:47:35.780 bigger equals better is not really a tenable position for an atheist at all, right?

01:47:40.720 Why would you say, well, this rock is bigger than a human.

01:47:43.580 Therefore, the human is less important.

01:47:45.660 That's absurd under any paradigm, but I don't know how like an atheist can justify

01:47:49.800 hierarchical scale at all, just like they can't justify any hierarchy.

01:47:54.060 But here's my main point with it, is that I think it's clear that God pays attention to

01:48:03.300 even the most minute details.

01:48:05.220 Look at how intricately designed the universe is at the level of the subatomic.

01:48:09.060 Seamus, could God microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?

01:48:15.420 I have an answer to this question.

01:48:16.620 I do, too.

01:48:17.320 The answer is yes.

01:48:18.220 So, well, I have a slightly different answer.

01:48:20.580 This comes from that old riddle.

01:48:21.920 Could God create a stone so heavy he himself could not lift it?

01:48:25.840 I like the stone one.

01:48:27.280 I like the stone one better.

01:48:29.100 So what a stone so heavy that an omnipotent God can't lift it is a logical contradiction,

01:48:38.500 right?

01:48:39.220 So what you're asking is, could God do this impossibility, right?

01:48:44.980 Could God do this nothing?

01:48:46.680 Well, we believe for God, nothing is impossible.

01:48:49.800 And that is a nothing.

01:48:51.300 Like a stone so heavy God couldn't lift it is a nothing.

01:48:54.380 It's nothing.

01:48:54.860 It's a logical contradiction.

01:48:56.320 The answer is yes.

01:48:57.440 But God doesn't create a stone so heavy he could not lift it.

01:49:00.020 The reason is the rock exists within the confines of universe that functions upon rules God

01:49:05.640 himself created.

01:49:06.920 So that means what you're actually saying is, could God create a system in which he follows

01:49:11.360 his own rules?

01:49:12.060 The answer is, of course he could.

01:49:12.980 Well, the reality is the stone so heavy that God can't lift it is, some argue, the human

01:49:20.660 heart.

01:49:21.700 But that's not exactly, I mean, God has chosen to give us free will and the ability to make

01:49:27.240 our own decisions.

01:49:28.360 If he wanted, he could intervene however he chose.

01:49:31.720 This is a very, very, I think, childish view asking that question.

01:49:37.400 Yeah, I agree.

01:49:37.740 Could God create a stone so heavy that he couldn't lift it?

01:49:40.020 Yeah, I think it's a silly question.

01:49:41.020 But the answer is yes, because God can do anything.

01:49:44.280 Well, but so, but a stone so heavy that God can't lift it is, you're saying he can do

01:49:49.260 anything, but that's not a thing.

01:49:50.360 It's a logical contradiction.

01:49:51.440 It's not, it's not.

01:49:51.920 Listen, if God says, I hereby create a system of rules, one plus one equals two, could God

01:49:57.700 then create a mathematical formula where one plus one equals three?

01:50:00.260 Oh no, God will-

01:50:01.220 Yes, you would have to change the rules.

01:50:02.320 God has created, so what I think we do agree on here is that God has created an ordered

01:50:06.600 universe.

01:50:07.480 Right.

01:50:07.660 And he has set up certain confines and he's told us the ways in which he plans to behave

01:50:12.080 and he's always the same.

01:50:14.280 So we can, we can trust that word.

01:50:15.900 The question is, could God create the illogical?

01:50:18.520 Yes, God can.

01:50:20.740 I don't, I don't think that makes sense as a quick, because I don't think it's in his

01:50:23.500 nature.

01:50:23.960 There's this, so there's this question of can and there's this question of would, like

01:50:26.920 what is in God's nature?

01:50:27.860 I'm not saying he would do it.

01:50:28.800 So nature is not material, I'm just saying I believe God, all powerful, could choose

01:50:35.300 things beyond our comprehension and it's like, our view of time is very linear and it's,

01:50:41.760 and very simple.

01:50:43.160 Yeah.

01:50:43.340 The human, let's try it this way, an ant, an anthill next to a super highway.

01:50:47.920 Yeah.

01:50:48.120 Those ants don't even know the highway exists.

01:50:49.440 No idea.

01:50:50.140 For a human to even begin to comprehend the motivations or capabilities of God is, it's like, you're

01:50:56.840 just not going to be able to do it.

01:50:57.680 Yeah.

01:50:58.460 So for a human, for, imagine an ant to be like, could a car drive so fast that it would

01:51:04.660 go off the highway?

01:51:06.180 It's like, you don't even understand the first thing about cars.

01:51:09.740 Or like, actually the ant would ask the question in some perspective, could a car lift a grain

01:51:14.860 of sand and then transport it 10,000 miles?

01:51:17.840 That's insane.

01:51:18.680 It's impossible.

01:51:19.280 Well, you don't even understand.

01:51:20.980 I, I, yeah.

01:51:21.840 So at bottom, I think I agree with what you're saying, uh, that it's, it's, it's a, a logically

01:51:26.220 absurd question.

01:51:26.960 It doesn't make sense.

01:51:27.900 But my point is, uh, an, an ant asking a question that is so minuscule and, and, and

01:51:35.340 beneath us, it's like, do you think that the gods could carry sand?

01:51:39.640 Could you make big rock?

01:51:41.040 Listen, it's like the ant carries one grain of sand.

01:51:43.380 I can carry millions of grains of sand in one bag.

01:51:47.740 That's beyond the ant's comprehension.

01:51:49.420 And wouldn't even ask the question.

01:51:50.780 Well, I think the, the, the, at the heart of the question is, can God do something that's

01:51:54.520 logically impossible?

01:51:56.320 But my point is that logic is the confine of a human brain.

01:51:59.800 But here's what I disagree.

01:52:00.920 So, so, so, all right, it, there, there's a sense in which that's true.

01:52:04.880 I think there are certain things which are true and real, but are beyond human reason.

01:52:09.880 So, so I would agree with you that I think there, I think there are certain things that

01:52:13.800 are real and true, but that are beyond human reason.

01:52:15.700 For example, the Trinity, for example, the Eucharist, for example, God being like all just

01:52:20.360 and also all merciful.

01:52:21.300 There, there are just things that the human brain can't comprehend, even though they're

01:52:24.100 true.

01:52:24.760 So I would agree with you on that.

01:52:26.620 The question is like a person with a 70 IQ, not asking a real question.

01:52:33.100 You know what I mean?

01:52:33.580 Like humans are so minuscule compared to God.

01:52:36.240 I agree.

01:52:36.580 The question is just silly to even ask.

01:52:38.080 I completely agree with you.

01:52:39.040 And there's probably even higher life forms than us around here.

01:52:42.500 Oh yeah.

01:52:42.840 I mean, like ants can't, ants can't, aliens or, I don't think maybe angels, I think

01:52:48.640 ancient apocalypse style, like an older humanity that still exists here.

01:52:54.100 And controls things.

01:52:55.140 Yeah.

01:52:55.540 Oh my gosh.

01:52:57.140 Do you think it's already popular?

01:52:58.560 Have you, have you played the zero dawn games?

01:53:00.460 No, I haven't.

01:53:01.540 Spoilers.

01:53:02.320 Uh, it's an old game.

01:53:03.300 So, so horizon zero dawn.

01:53:05.220 I love the storyline, but it's really become leftist.

01:53:07.300 Uh, zero dawn.

01:53:08.300 The first game came out like 2016.

01:53:10.100 You are a, this tribal woman and there are these robot machine dinosaurs and animals and

01:53:15.360 you fight them and strip them of parts and make a bow and arrow.

01:53:17.520 And then it's like, what a weird world.

01:53:19.060 And then it turns out the story as such, you discover this at the game.

01:53:22.080 It's a really awesome narrative.

01:53:23.340 Hmm.

01:53:24.320 In the, in 2065, uh, uh, the CEO of a military contractor developed self-replicating war machines.

01:53:31.300 He wanted them to be unhackable.

01:53:33.760 He wanted to create a security force that would replenish itself through biomass as fuel and

01:53:39.100 construct more of themselves.

01:53:41.020 Unfortunately, one, one small group at a security company got, uh, they were effectively locked

01:53:47.120 out of this, of this battalion of robots who then started their protocol reproduction consumption.

01:53:54.340 They could not brute force their way in.

01:53:56.580 They didn't have the means of doing it.

01:53:58.280 The machines then spread to the point where they were like in 15 months, they will have

01:54:03.100 destroyed civilization.

01:54:04.160 So two projects were created, the zero dawn project and the far zenith project.

01:54:09.120 Zero dawn was to create a bunch of underground terraforming facilities so that after earth

01:54:14.480 was destroyed completely and biomass was stripped, they could, uh, they could brute force over a

01:54:20.480 hundred years, the robots to shut them down and then re terraform earth, clone humans.

01:54:25.500 And then those cloned humans would repopulate for a zenith wanted to escape earth and colonize

01:54:30.420 another planet.

01:54:31.340 What ends up happening in the later game, the second game for Ben West, which came out

01:54:34.480 a few years ago, is that the first, you think the descendants of far zenith returned to earth

01:54:39.980 to reclaim it.

01:54:41.160 But then you learn the far zenith humans escaped, created biological immortality, and they themselves

01:54:48.080 have come back.

01:54:49.220 It is, it is like quite literally the heads of industry from the 21st century returned to earth.

01:54:54.020 Right.

01:54:54.460 So, you know what you're saying.

01:54:56.480 Yeah.

01:54:56.600 Well, I, I think the idea that we all have this inherent bias that we are the most intelligent

01:55:02.200 thing that exists around us.

01:55:03.700 Even the idea of another human being in the room with you that is like twice as intelligent

01:55:08.780 as you are is a horrifying idea.

01:55:10.760 You don't like to think there's like a, basically a predator that can trounce you in any sort of

01:55:14.620 mental gymnastics you could, you know, go hand to hand at.

01:55:17.860 And the idea that there would be another race or creature or being on this planet or outside

01:55:22.780 of it that knows about us and treats us like the individuals from Senegal Island is, we

01:55:27.840 just choose not to even try to comprehend it, even though there is, you know, it's probably

01:55:31.460 a decent chance that that's the case.

01:55:33.560 Why would we be the most-

01:55:34.120 Why do you think so?

01:55:34.820 Like, what do you think is controlling us?

01:55:36.440 I don't know.

01:55:37.520 No, I think there's a decent chance that there are life forms out there, even on this earth

01:55:42.240 that are significantly more intelligent than us or that have existed in history, I think.

01:55:46.140 Angels and demons.

01:55:46.680 No, yeah.

01:55:47.160 I was just going to say, I think, so, I mean, they're immaterial, right?

01:55:51.140 But basically the devil has a plan and demons tempt people to certain sins.

01:55:55.980 We tempt ourselves to certain sins just by our own fallen nature.

01:55:58.700 But people don't realize is every time you give into your own vices, you are working into

01:56:04.360 that master plan.

01:56:05.120 Well, think of this, what about, like, whales?

01:56:07.280 Whales have far more complex brains than us for relationships.

01:56:11.900 And the way that they can communicate, can communicate over vast distances, very complex

01:56:16.720 language, we just don't understand it yet.

01:56:18.300 No fingers.

01:56:19.020 But what if they never wanted to create Twitter?

01:56:21.780 Because Twitter messed us up, maybe that's them being more intelligent than us.

01:56:25.820 Yeah, I don't think so.

01:56:27.320 But I got a curve over there, dude.

01:56:28.800 Ultimately, whales are stupid and we should make them into oil.

01:56:30.440 That's how I feel about it.

01:56:31.660 Because we are more intelligent.

01:56:33.440 Make them into oil.

01:56:34.300 Yeah, I think we should turn them into whale oil.

01:56:35.900 I think if we really want to, I mean, everyone's talking about non-renewable energy sources.

01:56:39.920 If we had whale farms, we could make whale oil a renewable energy source.

01:56:43.260 Maybe they should have invented Twitter and we wouldn't be eating them, you know?

01:56:46.400 Well, now they're going to organize after hearing this podcast.

01:56:49.640 They're like, oh, hell no.

01:56:51.120 No, they can't hear this podcast because they didn't make Twitter.

01:56:53.860 How do you know that?

01:56:54.420 They're idiots.

01:56:54.840 How do you know that?

01:56:55.340 They can hear you.

01:56:58.100 Whales.

01:56:58.820 I didn't mean it.

01:56:59.740 I got one for you.

01:57:01.260 Listen, Lauren, I'll just say this.

01:57:02.920 It profits.

01:57:03.300 Here's what's happening.

01:57:05.400 A ship was launched from Earth to colonize the Sirius system.

01:57:10.840 Okay.

01:57:11.360 There's a class M planet, a planet that is very Earth-like and can support life.

01:57:15.160 The first thing we did was we sent a biological bomb to that planet, which releases a bunch of plant life, bacteria, and other thing.

01:57:24.500 Over the next several decades, it starts to become very Earth-like.

01:57:28.660 We then send another ship, but it takes decades to get there.

01:57:32.720 So we can't send people.

01:57:34.640 They will die on this ship.

01:57:35.560 So what we do is the ship has ectogenic chambers that can clone humans.

01:57:41.760 Once it gets about 20 years of travel away from this planet, it starts creating humans.

01:57:50.000 These babies are plugged into the metaverse.

01:57:52.340 On the ship in outer space, the babies are in a matrix where they experience 21st century human life.

01:57:59.440 So that's us right now.

01:58:00.480 That's us right now.

01:58:01.260 And the reason why is if we were born on the ship and just released on the ship as babies and a robot educated us, we would have no social understanding of the world.

01:58:11.440 We would land on a planet and we'd have very strange social customs that wouldn't work.

01:58:15.540 If we truly wanted to spread to the stars, you'd plug the babies into a metaverse, have the babies grow up in a normal Earth-like environment, and then one day wake up on the ship.

01:58:25.340 And you would have the mind of an Earth human from the 21st century on this ship, and you'd say, what happened?

01:58:32.120 And then what likely will happen is towards the end of the metaverse program, it will say, we are transporting.

01:58:37.860 You're going to go and travel to Mars to colonize the planet.

01:58:41.180 When you wake up, it'll say, your whole life was a virtual experience to train you in human social behaviors.

01:58:47.660 I'm having an anxiety attack.

01:58:49.300 No, no, but hold on.

01:58:50.240 Let me add an element to this.

01:58:52.140 There's something that makes this more insidious.

01:58:54.100 If that were to happen, the exact same thing would happen with the simulation they made.

01:58:58.920 That's happening with AI, which is some group of ideologues who were in charge of programming it would create an artificial world for those experiencing the simulation that promotes their ideology.

01:59:07.520 And when they got to the planet, they would just do whatever that insane ideology told them worse to the real world, even though it didn't.

01:59:13.640 You were right that happened.

01:59:14.580 The ideology instilled is America first meritocracy.

01:59:18.060 If they do it properly.

01:59:19.260 A bunch of based-ass motherfuckers were like, we're going to make these babies America first, bitches.

01:59:22.720 And that's us.

01:59:23.860 And so the ship's going to land, and we're going to wake up with no leftists.

01:59:26.820 And we're going to be like, we're going to walk outside, and there's going to be a bunch of American flags just everywhere.

01:59:31.140 Already on the planet?

01:59:31.980 Already on the planet.

01:59:32.580 How did it get there?

01:59:33.400 Because they set the ship in advance.

01:59:35.220 And so we're going to be like, what is this?

01:59:36.740 I'm sorry.

01:59:37.160 And then you're going to see this military-ass hologram guy be like, listen up, welcome to New America, America 2.0, let's go!

01:59:43.840 The whole planet's called New America?

01:59:45.680 And then all of a sudden, this thing's going to burst from the ship.

01:59:49.500 This big gun rack is going to go, and there's going to be guns everywhere, and we're going to be like, whoa!

01:59:53.320 And then we're all going to high-five, grab the gun, start running around and frog.

01:59:55.920 How mad are you going to be when you wake up from the simulation and realize you spent your whole baby simulation time just podcasting

02:00:03.300 when you could have been flying planes in video games?

02:00:06.980 No, because we're being trained for that job on this planet.

02:00:09.940 That's the thing.

02:00:10.500 The planet's going to be super cool.

02:00:11.380 No, but here's the thing.

02:00:12.300 And it's going to be the military guy.

02:00:13.140 It's going to be Ron Paul.

02:00:14.100 Also.

02:00:14.440 And he's going to be like, go!

02:00:15.940 He's like, there's a reason I made myself look like the coolest person ever in the simulation.

02:00:21.320 So I would also add this.

02:00:22.800 So some people would start, would be like awakened or formed and then placed into the simulation 20 years before the ship lands.

02:00:29.660 But you'd need some elderly people.

02:00:31.240 So some people would start 80 years before the ship lands.

02:00:33.540 And you'd have different people, different age groups.

02:00:35.080 And when they got there, they'd be like, all right, just spent 80 years in the simulation.

02:00:37.660 Here's the best part.

02:00:38.600 Wait, wait, I got it.

02:00:39.600 When we land, we're like, what happened?

02:00:41.860 And there's like a computer screen like pops out of the floor.

02:00:44.200 And it's like, you were all in a virtual experience training you for this moment as we colonize a new world.

02:00:49.340 Now, here is your leader.

02:00:51.000 And we walk outside and Elon Musk is there by himself.

02:00:53.620 And he's like, hey, how's it going, everybody?

02:00:55.400 And everyone is like, we love Elon Musk because, you know, he did all these awesome things in the virtual world.

02:01:00.960 No, I'd be so pissed.

02:01:02.240 I'd be super pissed.

02:01:03.380 Like, that baby is about to get violent on that ship if it wakes up from the simulation.

02:01:08.620 But you're not a baby when you wake up.

02:01:09.960 You're gold.

02:01:10.360 You'll wake up.

02:01:10.900 That's even worse.

02:01:11.660 You'll wake up as you.

02:01:12.580 They aged you up.

02:01:13.360 They aged me while I'm stuck in a simulation.

02:01:16.420 Your body is in the pod for 30 years growing.

02:01:19.100 Eating bugs.

02:01:19.340 And your mind is being trained in VR.

02:01:21.480 That's right.

02:01:21.700 But I have people that are meaningful to me.

02:01:23.780 I'm doing this active listening.

02:01:25.060 Where I just fully accept ideas as real.

02:01:26.840 You wake up and there's your mom and your dad.

02:01:29.080 And you're like, what happened?

02:01:30.140 Wait, but they were in the simulation too.

02:01:32.220 Except for the people who died when you were in your memory.

02:01:33.860 Yeah, they get recycled into mush.

02:01:35.440 And then, wow.

02:01:38.060 So listen, the ship starts creating humans, right?

02:01:41.140 Yes.

02:01:41.400 And those babies, their brains are in a VR to train them in.

02:01:47.080 How would you train a baby to live on a new plane with no social customs?

02:01:51.040 You basically program them by having them live a life in VR.

02:01:55.060 And then all different ages.

02:01:56.840 You will wake up as yourself and you'll be like, where am I?

02:02:01.300 And, but what actually happened is towards the end of the simulation, Elon Musk, like in a week from now, Elon's going to be like, Lauren, I've got to send you to Mars.

02:02:09.300 It's the only way to save the world.

02:02:10.480 And you'll be like, yes, Elon, yes.

02:02:11.800 And then you'll wake up on the ship thinking you're arriving there.

02:02:15.000 In reality, you're waking up from the simulation.

02:02:16.760 No, you wake up and it's Trump, dude.

02:02:18.020 There is no way I'd ever get on a ship to Mars.

02:02:20.020 You couldn't pay.

02:02:20.540 I would never go to space.

02:02:22.020 I'll never get in a submarine.

02:02:23.520 That is not where humans belong.

02:02:24.920 No, you don't.

02:02:25.320 You don't.

02:02:25.960 You don't get a choice, though.

02:02:27.660 Above, below.

02:02:28.360 Below, below, I'm staying on land.

02:02:30.140 No, I don't think you understand the nature.

02:02:31.960 I don't think you understand the nature of your own enslavement.

02:02:34.600 You're literally brought onto this ship.

02:02:37.640 Created.

02:02:38.080 You're going to say created as a child.

02:02:40.240 This is stressing me out.

02:02:41.460 Give me another conspiracy theory to fully accept as reality right now.

02:02:45.140 You're going to wake up from the pod and you're going to be wearing like a white jumpsuit.

02:02:47.660 And you're like, what's happening?

02:02:48.800 And then a guy's going to walk up and go, 76239, march.

02:02:52.920 And you'll be like, my name's Lauren.

02:02:54.260 Whack.

02:02:54.920 And then you're like, ah.

02:02:55.620 And then a guy sticks you the camel prod and be like, quiet, slave.

02:02:58.640 The corporation owns you.

02:02:59.560 It's like the island.

02:03:00.800 Yeah.

02:03:01.120 Have you watched the island?

02:03:01.960 I've never seen the island.

02:03:02.500 No, it's so good.

02:03:03.040 With Scarlett Johansson.

02:03:03.680 Yeah.

02:03:03.940 They create all these cloned people so that celebrities can have organs.

02:03:07.860 I've heard of that.

02:03:09.440 And then they try to escape because they find a butterfly or something and realize that

02:03:13.460 the apocalypse hasn't happened.

02:03:15.020 Wow.

02:03:15.720 They're told the apocalypse happened and that they can go to the island when you win.

02:03:21.180 And then there's like, who's it?

02:03:22.740 Michael Clark Duncan or whatever.

02:03:24.060 He's like, I won.

02:03:25.340 And I won.

02:03:25.940 And then they bring there.

02:03:26.700 He's like, he's leaving and smiling.

02:03:27.920 And then the next scene is him getting his organs removed.

02:03:30.160 He's like, ah.

02:03:31.400 Yeah.

02:03:31.600 They say there's one island that's still livable on the planet.

02:03:36.020 And they do a lottery every day.

02:03:38.160 Celebrity.

02:03:38.400 It's the lottery to get your organs removed.

02:03:40.440 But they don't know that.

02:03:41.360 Celebrities get themselves cloned.

02:03:42.560 But why do they need organs every day?

02:03:44.220 What are these celebrities doing?

02:03:45.980 Drugs.

02:03:46.900 Oh, yeah.

02:03:47.720 When Ewan McGregor meets his character, he's like, I sleep around and do a lot of drugs all

02:03:51.820 the time.

02:03:52.080 So now I need a new liver.

02:03:53.620 Wow.

02:03:53.820 And that's you in your whole life.

02:03:56.800 So the other thing I was thinking too, like, you know how in video games-

02:03:59.800 That movie's based on real events.

02:04:01.400 Right?

02:04:01.860 I know it's really happening.

02:04:03.160 That's my new conspiracy theory.

02:04:04.780 You know how in video games, when you go to a city, the city's a smaller version of the

02:04:07.660 actual city?

02:04:08.300 Nuh-uh.

02:04:08.620 So, like, when you play a game about France, they literally don't recreate all of France.

02:04:13.000 They create a smaller version.

02:04:14.600 And when you-

02:04:15.600 So, for example, in Fallout 3, you can run from Washington, D.C. to Bethesda, Maryland

02:04:20.460 in, like, three minutes.

02:04:22.380 Which is ridiculous.

02:04:24.260 It would be like a day walk.

02:04:24.840 It depends on how in shape you are.

02:04:26.620 No, I could probably-

02:04:27.700 But so imagine then, if we're not in base reality, how big France must really be.

02:04:31.700 Oh.

02:04:32.820 Like, our fake version of Earth is actually a much smaller version of what Earth actually

02:04:37.040 is.

02:04:37.180 Like, New York has 50 million people in it.

02:04:39.480 And it's like, you know, 3,000 square miles.

02:04:41.800 As bad as it is.

02:04:42.360 Yeah, oh my gosh.

02:04:43.100 And then they were like, well, we couldn't make all New York.

02:04:45.160 We made a condensed video game version of it.

02:04:47.240 And that's what we're living in.

02:04:48.480 What if the simulation's actually so expansive and complex that they're able to make New York

02:04:53.900 much bigger than it is in real life?

02:04:55.080 Because in actual reality, no one would ever choose to live there.

02:04:58.080 I think it'll be funny when, like, one day Seamus wakes up and he's like a rabbit.

02:05:00.760 He's like a big sentient rabbit.

02:05:03.040 It's like, that video game was fun.

02:05:04.320 I would like carrots now.

02:05:05.600 I always knew that there was something different about me.

02:05:08.820 And I could never figure it out.

02:05:10.540 Deep down, I'm a rabbit.

02:05:12.080 Whether or not this is what, like-

02:05:14.100 I don't care.

02:05:14.700 But here's the reality.

02:05:15.700 What I described will happen.

02:05:16.980 Awful.

02:05:17.620 The metaverse and, like, Neuralink is going to result in a world-

02:05:20.340 You're not happy with that joke?

02:05:22.040 Look, we grew up in base reality, right?

02:05:24.760 Or what we think is base reality.

02:05:26.500 50 years from now, when we're old and in the metaverse for work,

02:05:30.140 or retirement or whatever,

02:05:31.920 and some 17-year-old kid comes in and he's a carrot.

02:05:34.420 And he's like, I'm a carrot.

02:05:35.760 My pronouns are Karen Rot.

02:05:37.640 And I go, I'm a rabbit.

02:05:39.360 And then I take him and snap him in half.

02:05:41.940 And go to metaverse jail.

02:05:43.520 Exactly.

02:05:44.100 Yeah.

02:05:44.600 They suspend your account.

02:05:45.660 Oh, that's rough.

02:05:46.940 But my point is people-

02:05:47.280 Then you have to live in reality and you realize it's actually really cool.

02:05:50.040 People are going to identify.

02:05:51.240 Why, when the metaverse becomes where we do all of our work and everything,

02:05:55.240 people will identify and be these things.

02:05:58.080 Have you ever watched the show Severance on Apple?

02:06:00.380 No.

02:06:00.900 It's incredible.

02:06:01.640 I don't watch degenerate garbage.

02:06:01.940 Probably one of the best shows I've watched.

02:06:03.480 No, it's fantastic.

02:06:04.440 Is it?

02:06:04.620 I don't know anything about it.

02:06:05.020 They've created this procedure that you can get that splits your brain between work life

02:06:10.360 and home life to create the work-life balance, right?

02:06:13.100 And then essentially, they've made it so that your work self can't even communicate with

02:06:17.520 yourself outside of work.

02:06:18.720 And you have no idea what happens in your office, nothing.

02:06:20.860 Sounds great for employers.

02:06:22.000 I'm spoiler alert, everyone.

02:06:24.080 But yeah.

02:06:26.160 Basically, all the people in the office kind of realize what's going on and they hate it

02:06:30.100 and they want to escape.

02:06:31.060 And they're like trying to kill themselves and stuff.

02:06:32.780 Whoa, I want to watch this on Apple.

02:06:34.220 They can't send messages to themselves outside because if they've got like elevators that

02:06:38.460 detect any sort of text written on you and when they're injured, they'll like give a

02:06:42.240 note on people's car that's like, you hit your head in the office and it was actually

02:06:45.580 them like trying to kill themselves.

02:06:47.220 Wow.

02:06:47.500 Dude, that's wild.

02:06:48.940 That's actually really cool.

02:06:49.800 It's such a good show.

02:06:50.860 No shit.

02:06:51.540 Have you seen Upload?

02:06:53.500 No, I haven't.

02:06:54.020 I think it's called Upload.

02:06:55.460 I don't watch evil shows.

02:06:56.220 It's about when people are about to die, they can have their consciousness uploaded to a network.

02:07:01.180 Nope.

02:07:01.420 And spoiler alert, this dude, they say he's dying, but he's actually not.

02:07:06.800 And they want to upload him for nefarious reasons.

02:07:09.140 So they end his life short after an accident.

02:07:11.380 See, that's what happens.

02:07:12.360 And then there's like a rich dude.

02:07:14.180 If you're rich, you can download your consciousness into a robot body and then go do work still

02:07:18.180 and stuff.

02:07:19.180 No, you're not.

02:07:19.600 You're not allowed to work when you're uploaded because it would destroy the economy.

02:07:22.260 But people basically upload to a digital afterlife.

02:07:25.520 Yeah.

02:07:25.900 I think I have.

02:07:26.840 Have I seen this?

02:07:27.660 No, it was just a Black Mirror episode.

02:07:28.980 Severance.

02:07:29.200 I got to watch that.

02:07:30.020 It's on Apple.

02:07:30.320 Severance.

02:07:30.760 That's really cool.

02:07:31.500 Yeah.

02:07:31.920 And if you get the free seven day subscription, you can get through the whole show and then

02:07:35.800 delete your subscription.

02:07:36.920 But hold on.

02:07:37.580 But then like, what did these people think was going to happen?

02:07:40.500 If the whole point of it is to split your brain in half so that you're conscious at

02:07:43.840 work with a separate consciousness from which you're conscious at home, wouldn't they realize,

02:07:47.320 oh, one half of me is only ever going to experience work?

02:07:50.580 Yeah, but they don't care because they're just like, cool, I'm loving it.

02:07:53.360 I'm loving not going to work.

02:07:54.640 So they're like just selfish.

02:07:55.440 But how do they know like which one they are, you know?

02:07:58.060 Well, that's the problem.

02:08:00.060 They lose their connection.

02:08:01.360 And then there's another part that starts.

02:08:02.980 It just seems like they could have predicted that before getting the procedure.

02:08:05.800 Yeah.

02:08:06.840 Where like one chick gets pregnant, but she doesn't know how.

02:08:09.220 One chick gets pregnant and then she uses severance to have the baby.

02:08:13.160 And so this woman, her whole existence is just having these babies and then losing them.

02:08:18.060 And meanwhile, the mother is like, that's a commentary.

02:08:20.920 That's actually a very, that's actually a very based commentary on surrogacy.

02:08:26.220 Right?

02:08:26.720 It actually is.

02:08:27.620 That's what it is.

02:08:27.940 Yeah.

02:08:29.020 Even if the author didn't intend that, that's what that is referencing in the modern world.

02:08:32.800 So like her other consciousness only appears when not pregnant.

02:08:37.240 So what essentially half, so this company, it's kind of like a Pfizer type company.

02:08:41.380 They're trying to bring in this new technology and it's just in the testing phases and they're

02:08:45.060 letting the politicians and a few like test individuals like try it out.

02:08:48.860 And as if that's who they test on.

02:08:50.680 Yeah.

02:08:51.080 They're trying to make it be like poor people.

02:08:53.220 Exactly.

02:08:54.260 Yeah.

02:08:54.500 They're trying to make it look as good as possible, but they're, they're actively having to cover

02:08:59.100 up the experiences of the severed side of people's brains to sell products.

02:09:04.280 It's like that, it's like that Rick and Morty episode.

02:09:05.840 I feel like there's also slavery.

02:09:07.140 It's yourself becoming a slave.

02:09:08.540 But I also think that there would be a lot of fascinating implications to explore there

02:09:12.260 about the people who don't really deal with the hardships and struggles of the more difficult

02:09:15.820 parts of life.

02:09:16.940 Is, does the show get into that at all?

02:09:18.700 Like how unhappy the people are?

02:09:20.060 It does.

02:09:20.500 Cause so that's the, the main guy, his wife dies.

02:09:23.440 And that's why he does the separance thing.

02:09:24.960 Cause his life is just like, he's like, why not just, yeah, there's a Rick and Morty

02:09:30.100 episode where the sleep self, do you see it?

02:09:32.940 Um, it turns a machine on and then when he, when he falls asleep, his sleep consciousness

02:09:36.940 gets up and then takes orders from his wake self.

02:09:39.880 So like, he's like, look at my abs and they're all like ripped.

02:09:42.180 And it's because Morty, nothing matters.

02:09:44.660 Summer walks in and she sees Rick working out, but he's asleep and he's like, he used a program

02:09:49.240 to make his sleep self, but then the sleep selves are enslaved and angry because

02:09:53.300 they won't do the dishes and they make the sleep selves do it.

02:09:56.080 And then the sleep selves write a message saying, please rinse your dishes off.

02:09:58.780 And then he's like, no, I'm not going to rinse my dishes off.

02:10:01.420 You clean them.

02:10:02.060 And then they're like, then we're going to take over because just wash your, rinse your

02:10:05.160 fucking dishes and we'll clean them.

02:10:08.160 Hmm.

02:10:09.060 Yeah.

02:10:09.420 I mean, I gotta watch that show.

02:10:10.380 That sounds pretty good.

02:10:10.900 Yeah.

02:10:11.080 You're going to love it.

02:10:11.700 Yeah.

02:10:11.800 That's actually does sound like, but the problem is they ended on, um, like the biggest cliffhanger

02:10:16.520 ever.

02:10:16.920 And I don't think the next one's coming out until the end of this year.

02:10:19.400 They just brought on the, who plays the super tall chick in game of thrones?

02:10:24.380 I don't know.

02:10:25.120 Oh yeah.

02:10:25.760 Uh, Brianna or whatever.

02:10:27.060 Brianna of Toth.

02:10:27.620 She's going to be in the next season.

02:10:29.020 They brought on a few big, yeah.

02:10:31.660 She was in a Wednesday.

02:10:33.620 Oh, was she?

02:10:34.380 Yeah.

02:10:34.960 Yeah.

02:10:35.180 Weird show.

02:10:36.400 Never saw it.

02:10:37.240 The thing about, uh, horizon zero dawn, I was going to mention this before is that the

02:10:41.660 first game was based as fuck and the second game is woke as fuck.

02:10:43.900 So it's like you go from being this good guy who's trying to save the earth and you, you

02:10:48.800 figure out that the world was ended by, you know, aliens, machines.

02:10:52.980 Oh, they self self self self replicating machines destroyed the planet.

02:10:56.280 In the second game, you're just a murderer.

02:10:58.220 In the second game, you're like these powerful technologically advanced humans who are trying

02:11:02.180 to survive and escape a calamity should die.

02:11:04.080 And then you literally just murder them.

02:11:05.560 So like, it's actually kind of sad.

02:11:07.680 They're not like good people, the descendants of earth, but it's really fucked up in the new

02:11:13.480 expansion that just came out.

02:11:15.040 I don't want to spoil it because it literally just came out, but the game is basically she,

02:11:18.740 the main character is told one of these people from the, from original earth are alive.

02:11:23.940 And she goes, I'll go kill him.

02:11:25.280 And that's just it for like, you don't know the guy.

02:11:27.560 You don't know what he's doing.

02:11:28.800 She's just like, better kill him.

02:11:30.500 And I'm like, that's, that's very fucked up.

02:11:31.960 And then it turns out she's gay.

02:11:33.400 So I don't know.

02:11:33.960 What a twist.

02:11:36.700 Yeah.

02:11:36.920 She like meets an Asian woman and then they like make out or something.

02:11:40.460 Wow.

02:11:40.720 And I'm like, it went from her being like, we should save the planet to this very Malthusian,

02:11:46.160 very Ishmael, the old world must die.

02:11:49.760 Yeah.

02:11:50.120 And then she like just hunts down and kills these people.

02:11:53.160 It's really fucked up.

02:11:54.240 But isn't it interesting that they tied the message of the planet needing to die, needing

02:11:57.680 to create a new order and not caring for human beings in with her being homosexual.

02:12:01.740 It is weird.

02:12:03.060 So here's the thing in, in the, in the forbidden West, which is part two, which came out a few

02:12:07.920 years ago, so I'll spoil it.

02:12:09.780 You find out that like, you're trying to find something called the guy Gaia kernel, which

02:12:14.860 is an AI that can restart the terraforming process because it, earth is in a state of,

02:12:20.660 of decay because it's being rebooted or whatever.

02:12:23.780 And then something happens where Gaia breaks and you need to fix it in the, during this process,

02:12:29.400 these three people show up who are wearing weird clothes and have force fields.

02:12:33.120 They're, they're invincible and you're like, what's happening?

02:12:36.100 You, they, they have a clone of the scientist that gives them access to these old earth

02:12:40.580 labs.

02:12:41.340 You then discover when you meet the clone, which is basically the same, like the main character

02:12:46.200 is a clone and there's another clone.

02:12:47.380 They're like, they want to come back to earth, wipe out all life and then reboot it in their

02:12:51.800 image.

02:12:52.140 And she goes, we have to stop them.

02:12:53.960 That's actually not what it is.

02:12:55.420 What you discover in the end is that the far zenith escaped earth, started a colony, survived

02:13:00.400 for hundreds of years, created their own AI, which went rogue and destroyed their planet.

02:13:04.820 And they fled to earth, hoping to find a copy of Gaia so they could leave earth and create

02:13:09.440 a new planet somewhere else safely.

02:13:12.180 After discovering that the main character decides they almost die.

02:13:14.960 And I'm like, so you're saying that these humans who are technologically advanced in the

02:13:18.760 last remnant of human civilization are trying to get a copy of a program to start a new world

02:13:24.660 somewhere else away from you and they'll leave you alone.

02:13:26.640 So you must kill them.

02:13:28.840 Yes.

02:13:29.740 And I'm like, that's such a, you're the bad guy.

02:13:32.440 Like you literally just execute the last remnants of human civilization.

02:13:36.700 It's so fucked up.

02:13:38.500 It's brutal.

02:13:39.340 I mean, the writers are telling what they believe.

02:13:40.800 I get pleasure in this game of purposefully losing.

02:13:43.220 Like when the future guys are like, I'm going to destroy you.

02:13:46.040 I'm like, I'm just going to stand here and let them do it because they should.

02:13:48.080 Like, and then the expansion is just very, very much insane.

02:13:53.280 And I'm like, this game feels very like leftist Malthusian that these people who have great

02:13:59.160 technology destroyed the earth.

02:14:01.100 Therefore they don't, they should die now.

02:14:03.420 And I'm like, that's kind of, that's kind of messed up.

02:14:05.180 I mean, they're not good people in the game.

02:14:07.020 They're considered to be narcissistic and evil or whatever, but like if their whole purpose

02:14:11.820 is to copy a program and leave earth, what is the justification for just killing all

02:14:16.020 of them?

02:14:16.220 How are you the good guy in this game?

02:14:18.660 No, sounds like you're not.

02:14:20.760 And then here's the best part.

02:14:22.200 The world literally ended.

02:14:24.240 There's very few humans left.

02:14:26.400 And then it's like, I don't, I don't think in that scenario, gay people would, would like

02:14:32.100 be a culturally, culturally a thing.

02:14:33.660 Well, but I think it's interesting that the ethos of the game is people are bad.

02:14:38.360 We're overpopulated.

02:14:39.620 The human race is not an inherently good thing.

02:14:41.880 And then that's expressed through homosexuality, even if they're only showing it covertly.

02:14:46.820 I think it's just that they're like, the game producers are like, we should make her

02:14:49.360 gay.

02:14:49.760 No, but I think, but, but no, no, no, no.

02:14:52.040 Here's my point.

02:14:52.720 I don't think that they were consciously conceiving of it that way either, but you see how their

02:14:57.820 values align there.

02:14:58.780 Right.

02:14:59.100 It's, it, I feel like if the world ended and there were very, very, very few humans

02:15:03.420 left, it'd be very much like, um, what'd you call it?

02:15:08.060 Um, what's that?

02:15:08.880 What's the handmaid's tale?

02:15:10.220 Well, I wouldn't, I think people would have to return, not necessarily something like the

02:15:14.640 hand, you wouldn't have something like a handmaid's tale, but people would return to the, the,

02:15:18.240 the structure that is natural, which is a husband and a wife having children together.

02:15:23.820 It's, it's not like, so, and you know, obviously you had homosexual behavior in basically every

02:15:29.620 civilization throughout history, but often it was seen as sort of like debaucherous behavior

02:15:35.540 among the elite.

02:15:36.360 It was not something that your average person was taking part in the same way.

02:15:40.500 It's not going to be in my view that some leader says we cannot allow homosexuality because

02:15:46.840 we're dying.

02:15:47.440 What's going to happen is people who tend to have families will tend to survive.

02:15:50.600 Exactly.

02:15:50.940 Exactly.

02:15:51.640 Well, and also what wealth does is it to some extent insulates you from natural consequences,

02:15:59.300 right?

02:15:59.780 So when you have obesity, exactly.

02:16:02.680 And so, or even something like a social security system, right?

02:16:05.820 So the natural consequence of not populating at replacement numbers exists in the long term,

02:16:13.420 but it doesn't exist in the short term for your average person.

02:16:15.980 So it doesn't eliminate the consequence, but it insulates you from it.

02:16:19.000 When you're closer to a state of nature, you're not insulated in such a direct way.

02:16:23.360 This is so true.

02:16:24.280 And this is why I don't understand why the right refused to accept and embrace capitalist

02:16:29.140 class consciousness.

02:16:31.760 Keep going.

02:16:32.820 Steve Bannon.

02:16:33.680 Keep going.

02:16:34.280 I want to hear more.

02:16:36.580 Steve Bannon agrees.

02:16:37.740 It's like the rich, the, so there's always this idea, particularly from Republican circles

02:16:43.940 that, you know, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

02:16:46.060 Anyone can make it.

02:16:46.920 Anyone can do it.

02:16:47.300 But the problem is the consequences for the rich, for any sort of mistake made in life

02:16:51.700 are so much less severe than the consequences for someone who is dirt poor.

02:16:55.900 Oh, for sure.

02:16:56.240 Like you try to start a business.

02:16:57.500 You got 10 grand to do it.

02:16:58.520 That business fails.

02:16:59.240 Your life is over if you're poor.

02:17:01.340 You can do that a million times as a rich person.

02:17:04.080 So the, the ideology is like, oh, well, our brains are all equals.

02:17:07.140 Well, so what?

02:17:07.600 I could have the same, you know, same mental processing, same IQ, whatever, as someone

02:17:13.000 who's born into a wealthy family, but, and we could make all the same mistakes, but they're

02:17:17.520 going to be able to survive those mistakes way better than I can.

02:17:20.300 I think there's truth in that, but I'll add something else.

02:17:22.340 I don't think all of our brains are equal.

02:17:23.660 I think we're all equal in the sense that we're created in God's image and likeness,

02:17:27.080 but yeah.

02:17:27.640 Oh, okay.

02:17:28.160 So, so my point is there, there are obviously some people who are more like cognitively

02:17:31.660 capable of navigating modern structures in a way that amasses wealth.

02:17:35.220 And so there are some people who, even if they're born into a poor family, will be able

02:17:39.800 to ascend up into a, a very high income bracket.

02:17:43.660 However, I do agree.

02:17:45.280 And part of why I think the issue is complicated is because I do believe that the rich absolutely

02:17:52.660 absolutely have a responsibility to use their power in a way that considers and even benefits

02:17:59.860 and advocates for the poor.

02:18:02.280 I certainly agree with that.

02:18:03.420 I don't believe in what would be called class warfare.

02:18:06.460 I do think the different classes have to interact with each other.

02:18:08.960 I think they have to work for one another.

02:18:10.520 I don't think they can even begin to understand one another.

02:18:12.600 There's not a, I don't, I think it is.

02:18:14.780 Well, that depends.

02:18:15.880 I think the, someone who lives in a very wealthy upbringing cannot even begin to comprehend

02:18:22.480 the life of someone who is working.

02:18:24.440 I agree.

02:18:24.680 I don't entirely, I don't, I think they don't know real world experience.

02:18:28.960 They have never been in a position where they could lose everything, be homeless.

02:18:33.260 And yeah, but you're, you're right.

02:18:35.280 And I've, I've having, having lived on the South side of Chicago, not even the worst of

02:18:41.000 poverty in the world, like you're still a wealthy American.

02:18:43.500 And then growing up around an increase, like from Chicago to the suburbs, to the universities,

02:18:49.580 the people that I'd hang out with, I have some friends who are so wealthy.

02:18:54.180 They, they once said to me, Hey, we're going to Switzerland for the weekend.

02:18:57.140 Do you want to come?

02:18:58.040 And I was like, are you buying me a ticket?

02:19:00.200 And they're like, well, just come.

02:19:01.380 And I'm like, I can't just come unless you pay for me.

02:19:04.020 And they literally can't comprehend that.

02:19:06.340 Well, we're all going.

02:19:07.840 No, I think that's true.

02:19:08.740 And they, and they would say things like, did you get the new video game?

02:19:12.400 And I'd be like, well, I mean, maybe I can get it in two weeks.

02:19:15.240 You know, I get my paycheck and they're like, just get it now.

02:19:17.320 We'll play.

02:19:17.980 And I'm like, I don't have money.

02:19:20.440 Yeah.

02:19:20.760 Yeah.

02:19:20.980 No, I totally understand all of that.

02:19:23.080 However, there are a lot of, to use a very cringeworthy term, lived experiences that we

02:19:28.380 can't understand that other people do.

02:19:29.960 That doesn't mean we can't collaborate with them.

02:19:31.680 So right now, one of the massive issues that we're facing as a culture is we're increasingly

02:19:35.820 stratified.

02:19:37.420 And historically, wealthy people, middle-class people, and poor people would have the same

02:19:43.160 religious beliefs, oftentimes attending the same church.

02:19:46.280 And so they were on the same team culturally, religiously, in terms of the common goals of

02:19:51.960 the nation.

02:19:52.680 They were collaborating with one another.

02:19:55.280 And then a wealthy person could be open to and more capable of hearing the concerns of

02:20:00.720 the poor.

02:20:00.960 What you'll see is that among the wealthy, it's very intellectually fashionable for them

02:20:05.540 to fancy themselves heroes of the working classes, those who care about the lower classes,

02:20:10.440 but they never interact with them.

02:20:12.220 And I'm saying if they did, they could actually do genuine good for them, even though I agree

02:20:16.660 with you.

02:20:17.160 They don't understand.

02:20:18.220 Like there is just a different level.

02:20:20.040 We do have to wrap up because we're way over, but I want to end with one final thought

02:20:23.080 on this.

02:20:24.400 Being wealthy is a choice.

02:20:27.380 What?

02:20:28.200 It's a choice.

02:20:30.060 So the issue is, first, do you have the mental capability to make the choice?

02:20:36.320 And then do you have the willpower and the understanding?

02:20:40.180 I'll give you a really simple example.

02:20:41.800 There's a show called The Real Hustle.

02:20:43.460 Great show.

02:20:43.960 A guy, they go and they buy a $10 bottle of Juergens, and then he buys $10 worth of small

02:20:52.000 little bottles, puts the Juergens in it, and sells each bottle for $100.

02:20:56.460 I know people who make $300,000, $400,000 a year working one day a year.

02:21:01.940 You know why?

02:21:02.660 They do sales, but the sales they choose to do is among people who are wealthy.

02:21:08.400 How did they get to that position?

02:21:09.660 They went to a wealthy club, it was a woman, schmoozed up some wealthy people and got in

02:21:15.940 their circle just by being friends, and then facilitated a sale that nets $300,000 a year.

02:21:21.560 So when I say choice, here's what I mean.

02:21:23.340 Yeah, if being wealthy was a choice, everyone would choose to be wealthy.

02:21:26.160 Not everyone has those social skills, those connections, the place they were born.

02:21:29.780 I'm intentionally being hyperbolic.

02:21:31.760 The point is, the difference between being wealthy and not is not that you have to invent

02:21:37.740 the greatest thing in the world, or start a multi-million dollar business, or be a movie

02:21:41.960 star.

02:21:42.400 It's quite literally that you take a two-cent piece of copper, hit it with a hammer, and

02:21:48.280 then walk up to a millionaire and say, it costs $10,000, and they give you $10,000.

02:21:52.680 It's mostly about...

02:21:54.300 Careful, this is going to get clipped as some podcast financial advice.

02:21:58.120 I'm not going to give you my financial advice, but I am telling you, when...

02:22:01.740 I have traveled down the route that I have chosen to travel, and it resulted in starting

02:22:07.360 with little money, and then making my up to lots of money.

02:22:10.120 And throughout my life, I have met people who are poor, and they were poor due to their

02:22:14.960 own fault.

02:22:15.980 Wasting money, burning money, and doing dumb things.

02:22:18.380 Tim, I've known you since I was 20 years old.

02:22:20.480 We traveled a lot when we were younger.

02:22:22.160 You are one of the hardest workers I know.

02:22:24.380 Not everyone has your brain.

02:22:25.760 You have a very, very unique brain.

02:22:27.280 And that's why I said the first thing is you have the ability.

02:22:28.960 Do you have the brain to do it?

02:22:30.860 But let's just be real.

02:22:32.000 And also the life circumstances.

02:22:33.040 There are things that could have happened to you that would make this all impossible.

02:22:36.160 When I was a teenager, there was this dude who we're hanging out with in the south side

02:22:40.960 of Chicago, and somebody was selling pot, and he was like, he's like, what the fuck

02:22:45.140 are you selling dope for?

02:22:46.420 You're dumb.

02:22:47.420 And he was like, well, I was like, I got to make money.

02:22:49.280 He's like, how much money are you making?

02:22:50.920 And he's like, he's like, I don't know, a couple hundred bucks a week.

02:22:53.180 And he's like, he's like, man, I sell t-shirts, I make more money than you.

02:22:56.340 You know what I do?

02:22:57.400 I go to, I walk past the venue, and I see the band that's playing.

02:23:00.880 I go on their website, I call them and say, do you guys have merch?

02:23:03.260 They say, no.

02:23:03.820 I say, I'm going to make t-shirts for you.

02:23:05.780 I'm going to sell them, and I'm going to give you 20%.

02:23:07.460 He's like, dude, I go to a t-shirt shop.

02:23:09.720 I say, here's the picture of the shirt.

02:23:11.300 I make two grand per week.

02:23:13.100 They get paid money.

02:23:13.960 I get paid money, and I ain't going to jail for it.

02:23:16.020 And he was like, how hard was it to do any of that?

02:23:19.320 And he's like, well, I don't know.

02:23:20.420 I was like, I don't know how to do any of that.

02:23:21.560 But my point is like, you have a choice when you're younger to look at someone who's doing

02:23:27.980 something like that.

02:23:29.440 I mean, here's my point.

02:23:31.260 Entrepreneurial spirit, the social capabilities, the ability to enact ideas.

02:23:35.860 Some people, like we were talking about earlier, some people are followers.

02:23:38.560 That's just how they are.

02:23:39.840 I'm not trying to be completely literal that someone could wake up one day and be like,

02:23:43.360 I'm going to be rich.

02:23:44.280 But it's not that far off.

02:23:47.340 I know a person who is one of the stupidest people I've ever met.

02:23:51.680 Dude, I'm right here.

02:23:52.660 But they went to a nightclub to get drunk and party, and they went to a wealthy area

02:23:57.540 of New York, and they had 100 bucks from their Starbucks job, which was enough to buy

02:24:02.740 a couple drinks and dance around and met some women.

02:24:06.120 And the women were like, we're all going to my friend's house tomorrow night.

02:24:09.180 You should totally come.

02:24:10.520 They're at the top of the Trump Tower in a millionaire's house.

02:24:13.340 And they were like, I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to sell this.

02:24:16.820 I don't have time for it.

02:24:17.900 If I gave you a Rolodex, could you call these people and figure it out?

02:24:21.580 I'll give you 10%.

02:24:22.380 Now she's rich.

02:24:23.560 That sounds like sheer luck.

02:24:24.900 I know people that spend their whole lives planning these things, proposals, going to all

02:24:29.260 of these meetings with rich people and getting rejected every single time.

02:24:32.000 No, and to be fair, I've spent hundreds of dollars at bars, and I've never gotten that

02:24:36.800 kind of a deal out of it.

02:24:38.660 The difference between being wealthy and not is very much circumstance.

02:24:41.980 It sounds like luck.

02:24:43.820 But it's not luck to choose to go hang out with rich people and then sell rich people

02:24:47.720 stupid shit.

02:24:48.740 Rich people aren't always wanting to hang out with you when you've grown up in a, you

02:24:52.300 know, slump.

02:24:53.300 Yes, I think people then genuinely don't understand the experiences of a wealthy person in New York

02:24:59.960 City hanging out at a nightclub.

02:25:01.500 And if you walk in, like, how is it that I have friends who are like, fly with us in

02:25:05.920 Switzerland?

02:25:06.500 I'm like, I don't have the money.

02:25:07.340 And they're like, oh, that sucks.

02:25:08.540 But they're still friends with me.

02:25:09.700 And we still hung out.

02:25:11.020 And I still, like...

02:25:11.940 It's not in Switzerland.

02:25:12.800 It's like connections is an easy way to put it.

02:25:14.800 Connections is, yeah, that'll definitely give you a leg up.

02:25:16.820 My point is this.

02:25:18.300 If you are poor and in a poor area, there is a gap of knowledge, but it is not as hard

02:25:25.060 as people think.

02:25:25.980 You literally just need to be like, I am going to go find some rich people and talk to them.

02:25:31.720 And knowing a rich person is...

02:25:33.280 What if you have zero social skills because you grew up in a horribly abusive household

02:25:36.120 where your parents never taught you anything?

02:25:38.800 They didn't take you...

02:25:39.460 They didn't let you go to school, whatever.

02:25:41.100 Like, is that person...

02:25:42.200 Being the person who cleans the toilet of a rich person, you will make six figures.

02:25:47.920 And you could be the stupidest Forrest Gump person in the world being like, oh, no, no.

02:25:51.760 How do I get that job?

02:25:52.880 You just meet them.

02:25:53.780 You meet them.

02:25:54.620 Like, this is my point.

02:25:55.740 He's offering.

02:25:56.720 This is my point.

02:25:58.260 My point is when you serve ice cream at Trump Tower, Trump walks up to you and hands you

02:26:02.660 a hundred dollar bill.

02:26:04.240 He comes down and says, hey, everybody, thanks for working for him.

02:26:06.360 And he hands out hundreds.

02:26:07.080 He does that all the time.

02:26:07.980 The person serving ice cream at Trump Tower makes more money than a person serving ice cream

02:26:12.060 at Starbucks.

02:26:13.060 That's it.

02:26:13.380 I'm looking up how much someone who works at Trump Tower is making.

02:26:16.400 My point is very simply this.

02:26:18.480 If you put...

02:26:19.780 If you buy $20 worth of jurgens and put them in little designer bottles, you can make $100,000

02:26:26.440 a year.

02:26:27.180 The point is, in America, some people may not know these things.

02:26:31.840 And for some people, it's circumstance.

02:26:33.480 But the reason I'm saying it's a choice is obviously to be a little hyperbolic and to rustle

02:26:37.760 up some feathers.

02:26:38.540 But it's that the gap between being rich and poor is not as big a leap as people think.

02:26:44.020 The average salary at Trump...

02:26:45.920 I mean, this is just what Google's saying, so it must be true.

02:26:48.440 It's like 50K.

02:26:50.700 Now, imagine being a concierge at a motel.

02:26:53.140 Server is starting at 28K.

02:26:55.180 And then my point is, do you think these people, including their salaries...

02:26:58.600 Trump better be coming by a lot.

02:27:00.440 And he does.

02:27:00.860 But my point is this.

02:27:02.960 If you're a server at Barney's in Nebraska or a server at Trump Tower, who's making more

02:27:09.920 money?

02:27:10.820 By simple proximity, you are getting more.

02:27:13.280 This is...

02:27:13.680 I've actually seen this new trend start with young women where they're trying to find jobs

02:27:19.320 that you can work in order to start dating rich men.

02:27:21.700 Yeah.

02:27:21.920 Like work at the golf course, work at, you know, a high-class restaurant.

02:27:25.220 Work as caddies.

02:27:25.620 Yeah.

02:27:26.020 Work at all these places.

02:27:27.560 Where's my nine iron?

02:27:28.600 An interesting response that was like, you're just going to be the temporary muse of some

02:27:34.060 rich man, and then he's going to go marry someone within his own class.

02:27:36.080 Let me put it this way.

02:27:37.520 Do you think so?

02:27:38.660 I feel like rich men kind of don't care.

02:27:40.720 I think rich women care about...

02:27:42.120 If you work for Vice or BuzzFeed, you're getting paid like 60 grand a year to do what?

02:27:47.180 Nothing.

02:27:47.980 That's my point.

02:27:48.960 That there are people who train really, really hard and are like, I do an honest living.

02:27:52.840 I'm a plumber.

02:27:53.520 I'm making X amount of dollars.

02:27:54.900 And it's like, yeah.

02:27:55.800 And that kid who showed up one day and said, don't know, don't care, is being given four

02:27:59.940 or five times as much money as you by simple proximity.

02:28:02.960 So what I'm trying to say is, when I say choice, I'm saying proximity.

02:28:08.280 I'm saying that you could decide to go and seek out wealthy individuals and try and befriend

02:28:13.740 them, and you would be surprised.

02:28:15.420 A lot of these people are really, really dumb and undeserving of what they have relative

02:28:18.440 to you.

02:28:19.420 This is my point.

02:28:20.340 A plumber who works really hard deserves more money than a BuzzFeed writer.

02:28:23.980 Why does the BuzzFeed writer have more money?

02:28:25.800 They simply said, I'm not going to be a plumber.

02:28:27.500 I'm going to go work for BuzzFeed and I just get more money.

02:28:29.800 Here's the problem.

02:28:30.640 Not everyone can work in the bullshit economy.

02:28:32.880 Like, you're right.

02:28:33.520 People can hustle their way into it, but some people have to do the real work that earns

02:28:37.560 the bullshit economy.

02:28:38.740 And this is...

02:28:39.320 No, I think that's also true.

02:28:40.920 That's also true.

02:28:41.480 But my point ultimately is, if you ever go to a wealthy nightclub and hang out with

02:28:45.840 these people, you'll find many of them have money and shouldn't, but it's like they inherited

02:28:49.300 it or they started a business because of their connections.

02:28:52.880 Like, for me to start a business is a lot easier because I have money than it would be

02:28:55.480 for a working class person.

02:28:57.040 But if a person came to work for me, they would get paid probably double what they would

02:29:01.320 get paid for at your average corporation.

02:29:02.660 This is kind of...

02:29:03.840 And that's not because, you know, I'm a communist or something like that.

02:29:07.600 It's just because we have the means to pay and we are a higher economic standard of a

02:29:12.480 business.

02:29:12.580 Not going to lie, this is kind of based advice.

02:29:14.580 All right, listen, you living in a trailer park out there, find Nepo babies at clubs and

02:29:20.260 siphon all of their money from them.

02:29:22.220 But you...

02:29:23.160 Be friends with people.

02:29:25.640 Like, networking is half the battle.

02:29:28.100 Oh my gosh.

02:29:28.600 Simply put, if you sell lotion at the mall, you will make 10 bucks an hour.

02:29:34.320 If you sell lotion in Beverly Hills, you will make $1,000 an hour for no other reason than

02:29:40.280 rich people give you the money.

02:29:41.500 That's the choice I'm talking about.

02:29:43.100 That if you panhandle in Beverly Hills, you may or may not make more money.

02:29:48.000 If you panhandle in a trailer park, you make no money.

02:29:51.000 By simply walking...

02:29:52.660 I'll tell you this.

02:29:53.460 You want to be rich?

02:29:54.500 Go to Chicago.

02:29:55.360 Chicago, sit down on State and Jackson or whatever, I don't know, State, State, what's

02:30:01.220 it intersected?

02:30:01.920 I don't know, State and Jackson.

02:30:02.860 And take a Folgers tin, sit on the ground up against a wall, write a sign that says,

02:30:09.660 I have nothing, please understand, and fall asleep.

02:30:11.680 This is not financial advice.

02:30:12.000 And you will wake up in two hours with $300.

02:30:14.640 It's not financial advice.

02:30:15.440 My point, I'm making a point.

02:30:17.300 I have seen people do this.

02:30:19.520 Go wait outside a YouTuber's house like Mr. Beast.

02:30:22.140 I mean, sleep outside Mr. Beast's house with your coffee tin, you're like, if you go to

02:30:29.920 Mr. Beast's neighborhood, you are more likely to be handed $10,000 than if you don't.

02:30:34.420 That's why, this is what I'm talking about.

02:30:35.900 When I learned how people make money in this country, it's simply by being around money.

02:30:41.400 I'm like, you just need to choose to do it.

02:30:43.680 You need to say today, I'm in a poor neighborhood.

02:30:46.240 I'm going to go panhandle in the rich neighborhood, making that simple of a choice.

02:30:49.640 Not everybody understands that, but that's the simple nature of the choice.

02:30:53.200 Instead of selling lotion at the mall, sell lotion in Beverly Hills.

02:30:56.520 Now you're rich.

02:30:58.340 It's crazy to me that I see hippie ladies that will buy beads at Hobby Lobby for $5 and then

02:31:04.380 go sell it in a wealthy neighborhood and make $300,000 a year.

02:31:07.640 I'm like, wow.

02:31:08.960 These people are rich because rich people just buy this thing.

02:31:11.960 It's the same thing.

02:31:13.380 Make your market the wealthier person.

02:31:15.200 But anyway, we're way over time.

02:31:16.480 So I'll rant about time.

02:31:17.640 No, that's me.

02:31:18.360 I'm ranting.

02:31:18.660 So Lauren, you want to shout anything out?

02:31:20.900 Yes.

02:31:21.400 We have a documentary coming out.

02:31:23.460 I know.

02:31:23.760 We didn't even talk about it.

02:31:24.740 Infringed.

02:31:25.580 I don't know.

02:31:26.160 You're deciding when it's getting released, but it is absolutely lit.

02:31:28.960 Most comprehensive documentary ever, ever on gun control.

02:31:33.660 And yeah, it's going to be coming out shortly.

02:31:35.460 I think we'll probably just release it really soon.

02:31:37.260 Sick.

02:31:37.820 But we got a fair, the marketing plan, and we're probably going to put clips from the documentary

02:31:41.840 on this channel periodically.

02:31:43.120 I'd love to see it.

02:31:43.620 And then the full documentary will be on Tim Kesta.

02:31:45.940 I think we're doing TimKesta.com members only.

02:31:47.580 Yeah.

02:31:48.040 But then we're going to segment it out and have key moments of it as standalone YouTube

02:31:52.100 videos.

02:31:52.540 Yeah.

02:31:53.040 And everyone gets to see it except you, actually.

02:31:55.160 Oh, yeah.

02:31:55.600 Like we've actually made it so that if you log in as Seamus, it's just not there.

02:31:59.060 It's like a location ban, but anywhere you are.

02:32:02.120 You guys are bad friends.

02:32:03.320 You guys are actually bad friends.

02:32:04.600 Yeah, I got a YouTube channel done called Freedom Tunes.

02:32:07.360 We make cartoons.

02:32:08.300 We release two cartoons a week.

02:32:09.440 We have one cartoon behind the paywall and other behind the scenes stuff behind the paywall.

02:32:13.080 So if you guys go to FreedomTunes.com, become a member, you'll be able to see.

02:32:16.760 I think we have almost 50 behind the paywall cartoons up at this point that aren't on YouTube

02:32:21.100 that are only for paying subscribers.

02:32:22.860 If you all want to go over there, check that out and help support the mission and the cartoons.

02:32:29.420 I want to wrap it up.

02:32:30.400 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:32:31.320 Become a member at TimCast.com.

02:32:32.920 We got two documentaries coming out soon.

02:32:34.600 The first one, Infringed by Lauren Southern.

02:32:36.540 We're really excited for it.

02:32:37.340 It's going to be super cool, but it's because of your support as members.

02:32:40.540 So thanks for hanging out.

02:32:42.120 We'll see you all next time.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - May 05, 2023

The Culture War #11 - Lauren Southern, Seamus Coughlin DESTROY The Left With LOGIC and FACTS, BASED

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