The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #16 - Brandon Caserta, Exposing The Whitmer Kidnapping HOAX By The FBI

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00:00:36.460 Let's just start right away by you guys introducing yourselves. You want to start?

00:00:40.840 Yeah, my name is Brandon Caserta. I'm from Detroit, Michigan. I'm just a regular guy who was just so

00:00:47.820 happened to be framed by the FBI for something that I didn't do. Attempted framing. You were found not

00:00:53.760 guilty. Yes, attempted framing. Exactly. So this is in relation to the Gretchen Whitmer

00:00:58.480 kidnapping plot. Yes. And you are, ma'am? I'm Christina. I'm an independent journalist and

00:01:05.700 filmmaker, and I'm currently directing and producing the forthcoming documentary about

00:01:11.360 that story called Kidnap and Kill an FBI Terror Plot that will tell the truth about the FBI's

00:01:17.420 fabrication of a domestic terror plot to influence the election.

00:01:21.020 Yeah. Big story being run far and wide on all the corporate press outlets about a group of men who

00:01:27.740 were plotting to, what, overthrow the government or something like that. And I believe that the cases

00:01:33.980 are still ongoing, right? There's still people who are awaiting trial. You, Brandon, you were found,

00:01:39.320 not, you are acquitted as well as another individual. Well, let's start from the beginning. I mean,

00:01:44.020 how does an FBI hoax terror plot begin? How do you get involved in it? Where are we at?

00:01:51.100 Yeah. So, you know, it's kind of interesting because during 2020, you know, we had all those

00:01:57.080 riots and the lockdowns happen. This was something that we haven't really seen happen before, you know,

00:02:03.460 and it was pretty crazy. It was a crazy time. And, you know, people like me were concerned. We,

00:02:09.800 you know, I trained with firearms. Uh, I really care about the second amendment and, you know,

00:02:14.500 I'm, I'm critical of the government and I understand, you know, my philosophy and how to

00:02:18.660 express that. And, uh, so I was looking for kind of like-minded people to essentially be able to

00:02:25.920 protect ourselves in case a real tyranny came down. And, uh, for my experience, you know, I'm,

00:02:34.120 I found these, uh, these groups, uh, that would have private property to train on and you would

00:02:40.680 go and train. So it's just a regular thing, right? People are, people are talking about what they

00:02:45.160 believe in and, and training with firearms, but little do you know that all the people who are

00:02:51.420 training everyone are feds, right? How many of them were feds? Well, in, in, in just our case,

00:02:59.020 the federal case, the six guys that went to the first trial, there was at least 12 informants there.

00:03:03.960 And then three undercover feds. So like, wait, how many people were, how many people total you've

00:03:10.080 got? Six. Well, six were charged federally. And then for those six people were feds, right? Or

00:03:17.040 like informant or actual working feds. So the majority of like the group, that's just so insane.

00:03:23.840 Yeah. Like make a fake group to try and bring people in or something. That's exactly what they

00:03:27.980 did. They, uh, they made so many fake profiles, militia profiles, like militia 3%.

00:03:33.660 Blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And they draw people in and try to organize people from other

00:03:39.520 states and say, Hey, we got this property, come train on it, you know? And Hey, we got food. It's

00:03:44.760 like a family atmosphere. It's, it's really nothing wrong, you know? So people show up.

00:03:49.360 So this, uh, there's all of these people who are being charged. Do you know, all of them?

00:03:54.020 Um, no, no, I, they were acquaintances of mine. Um, I really got closer to them when, when I was in

00:04:03.140 jail, uh, uh, awaiting trial, then how well I knew him prior to that. You were in for what was it?

00:04:08.900 18 months. Yes. On fake charges. They made this up. Yes. 100% made up. That's insane.

00:04:15.600 Well, let's start from the beginning. I have a million and one questions, but

00:04:18.020 like, let's start with the charges and they arrest you and all the stuff. Like what happens?

00:04:23.160 Yeah. So how I got arrested was I was literally at work. Um, I ordered lunch from the same place.

00:04:30.240 So I order, uh, you know, my, uh, avocado burger with jalapeno and onion on it.

00:04:36.180 And, uh, you know, I'm waiting to go get that. And my supervisor comes up to me. He's like, Hey,

00:04:41.300 uh, like the plant manager or whatever wants to talk to you. And I'm assuming that he left already,

00:04:46.780 but I guess not. Right. So what happened with that is the FBI showed up essentially told my

00:04:52.600 supervisor, Hey, you got to get him and draw him over here. So he's like, doesn't know what's going

00:04:57.300 on. He's like, Oh crap. Like, okay. So he tells me to go in this room. I walk into this, uh, like

00:05:02.600 conference room that I had been in before, but the lights were out. Whoa. And yeah. And I walk in and I

00:05:08.060 look around like what next thing, you know, the lights flick on 15 plain clothed FBI agents with

00:05:13.820 back with those over their face are like, get down on the ground now, put your hands behind your back.

00:05:18.920 Stop resisting. They just tackle me down to the ground and start digging through my pockets and

00:05:23.980 all this stuff. And I'm literally, I don't know they're from the government. They didn't say FBI

00:05:29.100 or anything. They just attacked me and essentially kidnapped me. Yeah. You know? So when, when do you

00:05:35.480 find out in this case that they're feds, you're being charged, they're coming after you.

00:05:40.180 So what happened after that is they put me in change and they walked chains and they walked me

00:05:47.340 up to this, uh, very tall slender man in a black suit with slicked back black hair. And they said,

00:05:55.280 is this the guy? And he said, what's your name? I said, Brandon. He said, that's him. Put him in the

00:06:01.920 back. And I'm like, okay. So they throw me in the back and I realized these guys have these ear

00:06:07.140 pieces on and stuff like that. I'm like, oh, okay. These are feds. Yeah. They're still not telling me

00:06:11.980 anything. You know, did you have an inkling? Like, did you, or yeah, yeah. Because they were trying

00:06:17.400 to, they really wanted my phone. They really wanted to look at my car and stuff. So I just told them I

00:06:21.780 don't consent to any of this. You know, I don't consent, blah, blah, blah. That's really all I could do.

00:06:26.500 They had me. And then I didn't find out what the charges were exactly until we pulled up to the

00:06:32.020 police station. I was like, oh, okay. You know, did you have any idea that anything like this could

00:06:36.620 happen? No, no. The entire time, look, I'm a smart guy. If I'm engaging in certain behaviors,

00:06:42.300 I'm going to understand whether or not I could probably get in trouble for it. You know, not one

00:06:47.420 time did I ever think that I could get arrested or in trouble for just expressing my beliefs.

00:06:53.480 Me and my buddies wrote a sketch. We never did it. We wrote it years ago. And it goes like this.

00:07:01.380 There's two cops in a van with surveillance equipment and they're holding the earpiece

00:07:06.960 to their right ear. And then you hear a guy saying something like, all right, get in the van,

00:07:12.640 load the equipment, take it to the bridge. We're going to take all these people down. And they're

00:07:15.960 going like, oh man, this is getting crazy. And then one guy's like, those, those are the victims.

00:07:20.860 You sure about this? Yup. That's the target go now. And they're like, we got to go in and stop

00:07:25.300 these guys. And they, the cops run out of the van, run out of the house, kick the door in. And

00:07:28.700 there's three fat dudes playing grand theft auto. And they're like, uh, yeah, because you know,

00:07:34.400 the general idea is it's funny because me and my friends were talking about something like this

00:07:37.240 years ago. This is basically what they do. My understanding in your case is they start asking you

00:07:43.480 things. They start sparking up conversations, asking how you feel about things so that you can say

00:07:47.900 something that's not, not illegal in any way, but they can misconstrue to a jury to make it seem

00:07:52.900 like you had malintent. Yes, exactly. That's exactly what they did. And specifically they,

00:07:59.100 uh, it's like a theatrical thing. Like they record you training in certain instances,

00:08:05.060 and then they pick certain angles of you, like with your firearm and it, it makes it look more evil

00:08:11.440 than what's actually happening. And they put these characters together, but they pick their,

00:08:16.960 their main guys. And usually that person is someone who's kind of like down and out, you know,

00:08:22.120 they might not be the most intelligent person and they choose them and try to like groom them and

00:08:28.580 coax them to say the most ridiculous things and put them in a leadership position and say, Hey,

00:08:33.960 you're the leader of Michigan, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Adam. Yeah. We, we had had,

00:08:38.480 we, um, had talked to the guys from, you know, paradise loss. Are you familiar with that?

00:08:43.860 No. Yeah. The satanic panic story from, um, the nineties, nineties, uh, early nineties. I think

00:08:51.180 it's been a while, uh, it's been a month or so. So we had him, but, but this is the general story.

00:08:55.120 The, the, the cops find a guy who's not too bright, interrogate him to the point where he breaks down

00:09:00.540 and just says anything. And then they say, now implicate these guys. And he does. And they go,

00:09:04.100 we got them. Yes. I was reading a one quote in particular. It's like the notable quote,

00:09:09.780 I suppose, where they claimed you said something to the effect of, if it all goes down, I'm going

00:09:16.080 to be armed and I'm going to take action or something to that effect. Yeah. Can you speak

00:09:19.820 to that? I mean, what, what is that about? Is this, is this you saying like, I'm ready for war

00:09:23.420 or is it you in a hypothetical scenario where they're telling you you're being attacked? Like,

00:09:26.980 what is this? Yeah, that's exactly what it is. So what, what had happened was I was pretty angry that,

00:09:31.500 you know, two weeks prior to me actually getting arrested, I kept getting harassed by police.

00:09:36.980 Like they were making up reasons to pull me over, you know, and they pulled me over and, uh, for

00:09:43.520 just like a, a bull crap reason, you know, and at the time it's like, I'm trying to pay my bills and

00:09:48.740 stuff. So now I got to like, Oh, like two, $300 for this ticket. So I'm, I'm very frustrated.

00:09:55.260 And in, in my philosophy, you know, uh, if you were to engage in the same behaviors that police

00:10:01.460 do on the road, like, why don't you go ahead and try to pull someone over and start rummaging

00:10:05.500 through their stuff and then charge them a bunch of money and see how that goes. They're going to

00:10:09.380 think you're trying to rob them. Right. So, and you're trying to rob them. Right. Right. So,

00:10:14.640 you know, after getting robbed, I was like, you know, frustrated. And I was saying like, look,

00:10:20.420 people that engage in this behavior, this is theft. This is robbery. And look, if this all goes down,

00:10:26.160 I'm going to defend myself. You know what I'm saying? If these guys, if tyranny happens,

00:10:31.460 I'm going to defend myself with my firearms and I'm not going to allow anyone to take my rights.

00:10:38.960 So man, I'm losing my voice now all of a sudden, I don't know, but, uh, we'll try to get through it.

00:10:44.420 Uh, you get acquitted and let's, let's, I want to start there and then we'll go back and talk a lot

00:10:49.280 more about the trial. But what was that like? I mean, the jury heard the story and it just was not

00:10:53.120 credible there. The, the, the evidence didn't back it up. What was the jury like? And how did

00:10:57.500 they ultimately decide you didn't do anything wrong? Yeah. So this jury was very interesting

00:11:02.480 because the entire time, you know, you're trying to gauge expressions of these individuals and

00:11:09.280 you're trying to figure out like when something is said, what was their reaction to it? Or if they're

00:11:14.360 on your side and, and they were pretty stone face, you know, they were pretty good at not showing

00:11:19.700 expression. And I think my attorney, Mike Hills did a very great job of, you know, showing the truth

00:11:27.600 and showing that, look, my client never agreed to do anything, whether or not you agree or disagree

00:11:33.760 with my client statements about police or about the government. Frankly, he said, I don't agree with

00:11:39.660 them, but that has nothing to do with the charge. He's being charged for conspiring to kidnap the

00:11:44.600 governor. Right. And he says nothing about her. You know, he, he doesn't, he doesn't go to her

00:11:51.420 house. He doesn't, you know, say let's get her. He never agrees with anyone to do anything like

00:11:56.860 that. You just have him saying offensive statements and then have him running through a shoot house

00:12:01.440 with a short barrel rifle and then say, well, you should convict this guy because he doesn't like

00:12:06.760 the police. How long was the, was the trial? It was a month. And then they, I think it was,

00:12:14.800 it was really big news when this came out because we started getting more and more details that

00:12:17.820 this plot seemed entirely fabricated. Then your acquittal. And I believe, uh, Harris was Daniel

00:12:24.960 Harris was also quit. Was that, was that similar in his case? I don't know if, you know, or, or

00:12:29.520 Christina, it was similar. Yeah. Um, Daniel didn't agree to kidnap either. In fact, he'd said

00:12:36.280 statements to the contrary, right? He had said things like, um, you know, we're not black bagging

00:12:42.380 politicians and stuff like that. Like, yeah. So he had said the opposite. There was no agreement on his

00:12:49.880 part for any kind of kidnapping. And with Brandon, one of the other things that happened is they early

00:12:54.600 on pressured, uh, Ty Garbin to take a plea deal. Um, and that was like, right after you guys got

00:13:00.380 arrested, you guys got arrested October, 2020, I think January, 2021, he took a plea deal and his

00:13:06.000 lawyer, yeah, his lawyer, um, used to work for the FBI. So that's kind of interesting also, but once

00:13:14.380 they had, um, you know, they had to have somebody to say that there was a conspiracy because they

00:13:19.340 couldn't prove it on their own. There's no evidence. There's nothing of these guys on audio of

00:13:24.120 the thousands of hours of video audio they have of anybody, uh, conspiring to kidnap anybody.

00:13:30.440 And then you need to show a criminal enterprise. If you're saying people are conspiring to carry out

00:13:35.760 like this act, show acts in furtherance of that conspiracy show where they're like stockpiling

00:13:41.880 ammunition or making large purchases for firearms or whatever. They don't have that. So they have to

00:13:47.600 have somebody take a plea deal and say, yes, this happened. And they took, they pressured another guy,

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00:15:02.860 Yeah. Once they have people taking plea deals, they had these guys up on the stand and they said that

00:15:08.160 you were there one day where you were actually at work and your lawyer was able to show that they said

00:15:12.280 that there was this secret meeting that at one of these government sponsored field training exercises

00:15:18.660 or FTXs that they said that a group of them went off somewhere separate from everybody else to have

00:15:24.660 this like private conversation where there just so happened to be no informant there that could record it

00:15:30.240 where everything else is being recorded by like five or six different people. So we just have to take

00:15:35.400 these two guys word for it that took the plea deal. This conversation happened. He says, Brandon's

00:15:40.740 there. He's nodding in agreement. Brandon's at work that day. And you were able to prove this.

00:15:45.520 Yeah, absolutely. Wow. Yeah. He pulled up my work record and everything and said, wait a second.

00:15:50.780 This day he was at work right there. So how could he be at this meeting? They're lying.

00:15:55.120 Lying. You know, this sounds like now, you know, I want to, I wanted to make sure we get out the,

00:16:00.380 you were, you were acquitted of all charges. You are innocent. You were innocent the whole time.

00:16:05.100 You were, you were never proven guilty, like innocent. They still lock you up for a year and

00:16:08.420 a half. They still run in the press that you were this guy that you did these things, even though

00:16:12.740 the feds had to have known that was fake. I mean, this guy is giving false statements.

00:16:17.320 If you've got proof, you weren't there. And he says you were there. These are lies to try and jam

00:16:20.880 you up, to lock you up, to destroy your life. This sounds like the FBI scripted the whole thing in

00:16:28.480 advance. The majority of the people involved are either informants or actual agents. It sounds like

00:16:35.260 they knew what they were doing before it all began. And they said, we need patsies so we can

00:16:40.660 create a fake circumstance to manipulate and steal an election. That's exactly what happened in my

00:16:47.700 investigation into this. What I've looked at through the documents from the discovery and everything is

00:16:53.360 that absolutely there were certain people involved that were under surveillance online for years,

00:16:59.060 like Barry Croft. He first came up on the FBI's radar in 2017 for things he was saying online,

00:17:05.440 anti-government sentiment, they call it now or whatever. And they have these informants that

00:17:11.600 are undercover online. They have undercover agents who operate numerous identities online. They call them

00:17:18.420 online covert employees. They're actually FBI agents. So one of these undercover feds who I think

00:17:25.660 they ended up introducing into the group, he's posing as just a regular guy online, like a militia guy

00:17:32.620 using the name Mark Woods. That's not his real name. His real name is Special Agent Mark Schweres.

00:17:38.760 And he should be very ashamed of himself for what he did in this case. Or he should be criminally

00:17:42.700 prosecuted. He should be, along with Timothy Bates, who was UCE Red, who posed as a

00:17:48.140 explosives expert towards the end when they needed to get these guys on something. But yeah,

00:17:54.380 they planned the entire thing. They were monitoring these guys. They give their informants access to

00:17:59.440 a database. This was interesting. And this is in their file for one of their informants who happens

00:18:04.680 to be, by the way, a 20-year felon who has fraud charges and pedophilia charges, which, by the way,

00:18:12.200 the FBI kept out of their own paperwork. That had to be independently verified. So they don't even put

00:18:17.080 that in their file when discussing his lengthy criminal record. And yeah, this is the kind of

00:18:24.280 people that they're using as informants. They give him an access to a database of Americans they want

00:18:30.120 to target. So we have to ask the question, why does the FBI have a database of Americans they want to

00:18:37.000 target? What's the criteria for being put in that database? Is it being run through social media? Is that

00:18:44.160 why they have all of these agents undercover there? The FBI created pro-2A groups, like pages for

00:18:51.220 militias that didn't exist. And they scripted the whole thing. Yeah. They knew in advance they wanted

00:18:57.060 to do. It sounds like the real plotters are the FBI, the FBI agents in particular. And man, I hope,

00:19:04.360 you know, I'll be a little partisan in this one. I hope Donald Trump gets elected and then criminally

00:19:08.360 prosecutes all of these people. That should happen. Yeah. Yeah. Informants are, you know,

00:19:13.580 no one really is auditing this program, the informant program. We know the FBI spends like

00:19:18.740 five hundred and thirty million dollars on it a year, but there's no oversight. There's no

00:19:23.480 transparency. Some of these informants, they're just there kind of like a sleeper cells. They get

00:19:28.080 activated when needed. So a lot of these these guys, they're targeted that way. The FBI finds people

00:19:34.300 who are saying things online that are like, oh, yeah, like this is someone that will make a good

00:19:38.320 patsy or for Brandon. He's got tattoos. He's got gauge deers. He likes heavy metal music. They're

00:19:44.840 like, oh, this is the kind we want this guy to be, you know, front and center. So they look for people

00:19:51.020 like that. And then they have so much data about you online and they'll have their informants and

00:19:56.840 their agents reach out to people online and spark friendships with them. So Barry, for example,

00:20:01.660 he had informants reaching out to him in 2019, 2020, befriending him online, pretending that they

00:20:10.880 knew one of his friends who died and was going to attend the funeral. And they kind of met up with

00:20:16.920 him that way. And so they're driving this thing before they're introducing these guys to each other.

00:20:21.920 The co-defendants, they don't even know each other. The FBI informants introduce them to one

00:20:28.020 another and bring people together. And we're talking about months and months of surveillance

00:20:32.920 against someone, six months, seven months, eight months with no criminality happening. And they're

00:20:39.880 still continuing to use taxpayer dollars. Fourth Amendment violation. Right. Absolutely. Right.

00:20:46.920 Maybe I'm jumping the gun on this one, but are there any plans for civil lawsuits, civil litigation?

00:20:51.580 Honestly. Yeah. For me, absolutely. You know, one thing I'm, we're, we're a little bit concerned

00:20:57.140 about is just the qualified immunity thing. Right. A lot of times qualified immunity is very broad and

00:21:05.220 they can get away with like a lot of stuff, you know, but my particular thing is I absolutely believe

00:21:10.920 that my case could be one because number one, the defense was we did an entrapment defense with no

00:21:17.680 agreement. The fact that I was acquitted by a jury shows that the government attempted to entrap me.

00:21:24.840 Yeah. Right. And they attempted to entrap me, which is illegal for them to do. And they engaged in the

00:21:32.900 criminal activity. So because of that, I just need to find the right attorney who's willing to go up

00:21:41.020 against them. I think they're out there. Yeah. Do you believe that this whole fiasco did influence

00:21:49.780 the election in Michigan? 100%. Absolutely. Cause it gave, it gained sympathy for Gretchen Whitmer as

00:21:55.680 well, because of the hard tyranny that she brought down on Michigan with all these super strict

00:22:01.100 lockdowns. You couldn't buy seeds. You couldn't go gardening. You know what I mean? Just that barber

00:22:05.400 or a barber got. Yeah. Yeah. The barber, you couldn't get your haircut, all that stuff. And

00:22:12.060 people were, the people of Michigan, you know, are not, they may be a little bit, you know,

00:22:18.440 they're lefty and it's like some of those cities like Detroit and stuff, but the majority of Michigan

00:22:22.100 is not down with lockdowns and stuff like that. So, and the, and the, uh, the jab or whatever, but

00:22:29.080 yeah, people were angry about that and it was a good way to influence the election. They arrested us

00:22:34.880 in October and October surprise. FBI has been known to do that and it gained sympathy for her and said,

00:22:41.340 Oh, look, I'm a victim. You know, I'm a, these dangerous, you know, uh, white supremacist militia

00:22:47.700 guys were, were trying to, you know, attack me and put me in jail and all this stuff. Feel sorry for

00:22:53.680 me. Yeah. I think things are going to get bad. You know, I've talked about it quite a bit. I think

00:22:59.420 we're watching it and, uh, your story is a component in what I often talk about the looming

00:23:05.640 civil war or something like that. Uh, I just recently talked about this because, um, with the

00:23:12.000 arrest of Donald Trump, we are in once again, uncharted territory, but I say once again, because

00:23:16.900 it keeps happening. And so we're at the point where the sitting president's administration has

00:23:23.500 arrested their main political rival never before in American history, but something we see in banana

00:23:28.260 republics, something we see in a pre-revolution or pre-civil war. And so I, uh, put a segment

00:23:34.280 together where I went, I went back to 2017, an article in the New Yorker that said, are we headed

00:23:40.220 towards a civil war? And this is because of Charlottesville. They talked to a national security

00:23:44.440 expert who said he believed there was a, I think he had 60 some odd percent chance that in the next

00:23:49.420 10 years, there will be a civil war in this country. And the, the writer, and this is, this is New

00:23:53.780 York. This is a, you know, liberal publication said that, uh, she spoke with several, I believe

00:23:58.680 it was a woman spoke with several national security experts who put the, uh, the range between five

00:24:03.040 and 95% likelihood based on what we are seeing in the United States at the time in 2017 and what they

00:24:09.460 had seen around the world, the similarities were so, were so shocking that the consensus among the

00:24:14.700 experts was around a 35% chance in the next 10 years. And this is from 2017, that there would be

00:24:20.400 some kind of civil war in the United States. The way I often frame it is if I went back to you in

00:24:26.380 2017 and told you that, uh, a man with a communist black lives matter tattoo on his neck would put two

00:24:34.060 bullets in the chest of a, of a conservative in the middle of the streets in Portland, you wouldn't

00:24:38.580 believe me. You'd say, well, that sounds crazy. If I would have said that the, that the media would

00:24:45.520 run numerous reports about a group of men, militiamen who are trying to kidnap a governor to overthrow the

00:24:50.380 government, you'd say that would never happen. If I then went out and said, it turns out the story

00:24:55.580 was a hoax fabricated by the feds to manipulate an election. You'd start laughing your ass off

00:24:59.940 saying, now you've gone nuts. If I would have said on January six, hundreds of Trump supporters would

00:25:05.640 fight with cops in the front of the Capitol and storm their way in the building while several

00:25:09.040 hundred others made their way, you know, unknowingly through the back. And they call this

00:25:13.320 an insurrection. You, you start laughing and saying, bro, you should write a movie. It's not possible.

00:25:17.420 Every time something happens, I'll often say like, it's escalated. You know, it, things seem to be

00:25:24.960 getting worse. I want to, I want to just clarify real quick. I don't think it's apocalyptic. I just

00:25:29.720 think we are going to have this tumultuous period, which I believe ultimately things are going to

00:25:33.880 improve. And I think there are, they are improving, but it's fascinating to me that, you know, I go back

00:25:37.820 to 2017. I make a video about this. I'm talking, um, because of what happened in Charlottesville and

00:25:44.460 everyone, I know left and right say, you're crazy. This is a clickbait article. The New Yorker is

00:25:50.720 just putting out clickbait because it's shot content. It's going to make them money. And I

00:25:54.320 said that I think the political conflict we're seeing between these factions in the streets

00:25:57.760 is going to escalate. Antifa and BLM will go out and fight conservative groups, proud boys,

00:26:03.780 Patriot prayer, whatever it's going to be, are going to fight back. Democrats are then going to step up

00:26:08.200 and say, Hey, this is an opportunity for me to promote my political campaign, utilizing this

00:26:14.360 shock content, which will then spread the ideology and the, and the division. And it will ultimately

00:26:19.860 reach higher and higher levels of government. I said that to a group of people, 2017, 2018, 2019,

00:26:24.500 and they kept telling me I was crazy and I was wrong because the government would never allow

00:26:28.440 something like this to happen. We have now gotten to the point where the sitting president has had his

00:26:33.980 main political rival arrested and an attempt to put him in prison for the rest of his life.

00:26:39.080 Clearly political. The Hillary Clinton camp smashed phones and destroyed public records,

00:26:44.580 smashed phones with hammers, used open source purging software to wipe public records, all criminal.

00:26:51.240 And we say, Oh, but we're not going to prosecute it because it's, it's, it's, it's too, it's too

00:26:54.740 beyond, it's too far beyond or whatever. And we say, fine. But then they go after Trump in this way.

00:26:59.240 So my, my attitude is, you know, I don't think it matters whether or not you think your side is

00:27:04.620 right, the side is wrong, whether you're left or right. Certainly believe you're right. If you

00:27:09.180 think you're right, I think I'm right, right? You guys probably think you're right. What matters

00:27:12.540 is the conflict is happening. And so the reason I bring this up is in your case, as I mentioned,

00:27:17.880 if in 2017, you were to go to someone and say, October, 2020, the feds will announce a militia

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00:28:31.820 You'd laugh your ass off and say, shut up. You're crazy. Right. We're three years beyond this.

00:28:40.300 Three years beyond this. Of course, you were acquitted. It was a hoax. The fact that the initial

00:28:45.680 story was men try to kidnap governor or plot was shocking enough. I think it's 10 times as shocking

00:28:52.760 now that FBI stages hoax to manipulate election. It's one thing. If a group of random guys get

00:29:01.820 together and come up with a crazy idea and we say, yeah, they're crazy people out of 330 million people,

00:29:07.680 you're going to find some crazies. But then when you find out federal law enforcement subverted,

00:29:13.500 actually did provably true, our elections intentionally. Now we're talking about the

00:29:20.940 highest levels of government engaging in active conflict against the American people.

00:29:26.180 Yes. Yeah. That's how I see it. That's exactly right. You can look throughout the text messages

00:29:33.660 of the agents and their informants where they are saying like they're telling people we want to

00:29:39.320 maximize attendance at this event, bring, you know, try to invite this person and that person. So

00:29:44.520 some of the things that they've tried to use to say that this was a real plot, this actually happened

00:29:49.760 is, um, they talk about this, the recon of her vacation cottage. They say, oh, these guys went and

00:29:56.560 they drove past her vacation cottage because they actually wanted to do something. They were planning

00:30:01.240 something. Well, you can look in the discovery and look at the text messages. The FBI agent has planned

00:30:08.120 the first ride along. He's saying, invite this person, try to invite that person, do this and that

00:30:13.320 in the vehicles. It's, uh, FBI paid for vehicles. Um, they pick everybody up. They're the ones driving

00:30:21.560 the vehicles. You've got the informant, the main informant, Dan Chappell driving, sitting next to him

00:30:26.940 is undercover agent red, AKA Timothy Bates, who, uh, says something like, where are we going fellas

00:30:35.020 or whatever. And Barry is in the backseat, I think with Adam and, uh, Barry says destination unknown.

00:30:41.660 He doesn't know where they're going. Wow. But this is how they plan these ride along. So Barry was

00:30:47.740 invited to the night recon, night recon or ride along to her vacation cottage. Now, Barry's told, uh, one of

00:30:55.260 these field training exercises he's invited to that they're going to be doing land navigation training

00:31:01.500 as part of their militia training. Barry is a, um, he's a 40 something year old truck driver from

00:31:08.700 Delaware with three daughters that he's raising by himself. By the way, he's got a fiance who suffered

00:31:14.540 a traumatic brain injury, um, that he's dealing with. So he's driving around the country though.

00:31:20.140 He's attending these FTX is because he wants to be able to defend his family. If something happens,

00:31:25.100 uh, yeah, they tell him we're going to be doing land navigation training and night vision training.

00:31:30.620 And then he gets invited. He doesn't know where he's going. They, the FBI drives these guys by

00:31:35.660 Whitmer's vacation cottage. Prior to that, they've installed a pole cam on her property.

00:31:41.580 A pole cam has like a, what is it? The night vision, um, video. Cause they want to be able to pick

00:31:47.820 up this vehicle driving down. Cause they wanted to show this to the jury to say, look, they were casing

00:31:52.460 the place. Well, actually real quick that night that they went on that, they never went by.

00:31:57.180 They didn't even go because yes, because the leaders of the group, right? They never had the

00:32:02.860 address. You know who did have the address? The feds did. And guess what? Jason Chambers

00:32:10.380 said, Oh, they don't got the address, sent the main informant who was driving the address. Guess

00:32:15.580 what? It was one number off. It was the wrong address. He messed up. So they drove around

00:32:22.060 aimlessly, never even going to her house at all. I know. And I hate to laugh about it,

00:32:27.660 but it's so ludicrous. It is so theatrical and over the top, the way that they're doing this stuff,

00:32:33.180 they are scripting a movie. The FBI is literally plotting this out. Like they're writing a narrative,

00:32:38.460 you know, and they'll cherry pick things to put it together to try to make this over the top thing.

00:32:43.260 Like, Oh yeah, these guys were really going to do something. So they were able to make a

00:32:47.660 reconstruction of that video, by the way, which means the FBI just created like a theatrical video

00:32:52.940 and they let them play that to a jury. Wow. And it never happened. It never happened. Not only did

00:32:58.700 the first ride along, they didn't even really go in the right place. Even though the FBI was the

00:33:03.020 ones driving the vehicle, they do these reconstruction videos and play it to a jury to influence and bias

00:33:08.940 them. Um, we know also that in your jury trial, they did what they showed the fake video they made.

00:33:15.180 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. They showed that they said, this is what they were going to do and how

00:33:18.860 they were going to do it. They had, they had said, you know, Mr. Caserta right here was, um,

00:33:24.620 you know, an enforcer, right? Like I was going to be like in the vehicle. And when you,

00:33:30.220 when you go on the trial, you know, the, the defense attorneys are cross-examining these,

00:33:34.380 these, uh, witnesses and they're like, okay, so they were going to go here and then what,

00:33:40.780 get a boat and put it on a boat and then who's going to drive that boat and then wait. So that

00:33:46.940 doesn't make sense. So you would need a two boat system. Right. And then you just go on and it's

00:33:51.980 like, there was no plan to do anything at all. But you got, they got what, two people so far to

00:33:58.620 plead guilty. Yup. That, and that's what they do is they get, they, they threaten with life

00:34:05.500 in prison to, you know, these young 20 year old guys and you know, they fold and they take a cop

00:34:13.180 and say, you know what? I'll lie for you in order to get less time. I don't care.

00:34:18.780 Ty Garvin, I think is already in a halfway house. He'll be out soon.

00:34:22.620 Yeah. Yeah. The two guys who, who, who, uh, decide to cooperate against me and, and Daniel

00:34:28.060 Harris and everybody else, they're, they're already out of jail and Barry and Adam who are

00:34:32.140 still completely innocent are, you know, serving 16, 20 years, uh, for something that the FBI did.

00:34:38.540 Are you, uh, are you guys religious? Yes.

00:34:41.820 You are Christian Orthodox Christian.

00:34:43.660 Are you, I'm not religious, but I believe in creation and God.

00:34:46.700 Um, yeah, I'm probably in a similar spot. I only bring this up because, uh, are you, uh,

00:34:50.940 familiar with, with, um, what, uh, uh, what the, uh, the final layer of level of hell is reserved

00:34:57.340 for? No, what is that? Betrayers, traitors, the disloyal. Snitches.

00:35:02.780 Yeah. Yes. I think the, the, the, the, I, I, I fear several things, uh, in circumstances like this,

00:35:11.020 the malicious evil of these FBI agents. We're talking about malevolence that most people do

00:35:17.660 not want to believe exists. And then the more so banality of evil in the men who took plea agreements

00:35:23.420 to save themselves, knowing they were lying to do it. The scary thing is that these guys who pleaded

00:35:29.340 guilty, these are guys who presented with the opportunity from the FBI said they would rather

00:35:36.620 burn down this country than risk any harm to themselves. And that's a terrifying thought that

00:35:43.580 people like that exist because we know that evil exists and we know that goodness can stand against

00:35:48.220 it. We know there's a possibility that if we, if we, uh, we do this right and, uh, come 2024,

00:35:56.860 maybe not Donald Trump, but if we, if we do get real and effective leaders, we might see justice

00:36:02.460 brought to these, these malevolently evil FBI agents. But when you realize that so many of the

00:36:07.740 people in this world are like those who pleaded guilty and then lied to try and destroy your life,

00:36:11.660 there's a lot of complacence. How about they get promoted? These agents get promoted and

00:36:17.660 rewarded for this stuff. And I think that people see that, you know, uh, it's crazy. So, uh, you

00:36:23.660 mentioned they're malevolent, they're malicious, these agents. I don't think people really understand

00:36:28.700 that. I want to talk about Richard Trask. Richard Trask was the Bureau's public face for this case. He was

00:36:34.940 the guy that wrote your criminal complaint. He signed off on it. He was at your preliminary hearing,

00:36:39.500 right? Testified. Testified. Testified. He was their star, uh, agent, right? This man

00:36:45.500 is disgusting. He attends a swingers party in Kalamazoo with his wife. And he, when they get home,

00:36:55.980 there's an argument about the party and he tries to kill her. He, and I'm, you can see the body cam

00:37:03.500 footage. I encourage everybody to watch it. Um, Richard J. Trask, look at his arrest footage.

00:37:10.940 He tries to kill his wife. He bashes her head against the nightstand numerous times. He gets

00:37:15.660 on top of her and he tries to strangle her. Um, there's blood all over the sheets. It's on the

00:37:20.860 body cam footage. You can see it. The police are saying to each other, like this guy's counter

00:37:25.660 terrorism. He's probably armed. He is, he knows law enforcement tactics. So they're scared.

00:37:31.180 The police are saying, don't turn off any of your cameras or your recordings.

00:37:35.660 They caught, he, he fled the scene intoxicated in her vehicle, by the way.

00:37:39.900 So they're calling for after this is after we're already in jail. I'm already in jail.

00:37:44.140 He's in jail. This is wild. This guy's trying this case. He just testified at your preliminary

00:37:49.660 hearing. None of you guys committed any act of violence. They say you conspired to this is a man.

00:37:55.660 And there's a, I will say there's a correlation with domestic violence and law enforcement. There

00:38:01.100 seems to be something there. So Richard Trask, this federal agent tries to murder his wife,

00:38:06.620 flees the scene intoxicated in her vehicle. And then the police call him and they negotiate him

00:38:11.980 to turn himself in. They meet him at a parking lot. He's in his underpants. He's got blood on his face,

00:38:17.020 blood on his chest. And they open the door and they say, like, you need to get out of the vehicle.

00:38:21.580 He goes, what's this about? He's covered in blood acts like he doesn't know what's going on.

00:38:26.540 By the way, he went to court. He went to court after that. He still has his guns. He still has

00:38:31.900 his firearms. He's not in the FBI. The FBI fired him. But yeah, he's still he's they didn't they

00:38:37.900 didn't try to hit him. He didn't. Did this play a role in their trial in your trial?

00:38:41.660 Well, you know, it did, but it didn't. Right. I think there were some articles that came out

00:38:46.300 from BuzzFeed about it. So it helped as far as I remember this.

00:38:50.220 But the jury didn't get to hear about that's what makes me angry.

00:38:53.100 The jury didn't get to hear about it. But for me, like spiritually, right,

00:38:56.780 when we're talking about God and we're talking about spirituality and stuff,

00:39:00.460 it was a sign of hope to me. That's it's like, I knew these guys were like that,

00:39:06.940 you know, and if they're doing shit like this and getting caught up,

00:39:10.460 you know, the truth is going to come out and they're going to get exposed.

00:39:13.740 Oh, yeah, it is crazy to me. You know, I think about this stuff. We don't we don't need

00:39:17.580 conflict. We don't want conflict. We don't want violence.

00:39:20.460 Right. All that needed to happen in this case was for these two guys before who pleaded guilty.

00:39:25.980 They needed to say, I will not violate my integrity, my honor by lying for you to hurt someone else.

00:39:34.460 And with I guess I don't know for sure, but I asked I'll ask you, would the feds have had any case at all if these two guys did not plead?

00:39:42.460 No, none, none. And so it's only because these two cowards were willing to lie for the feds to save their own asses that we've come this far.

00:39:52.460 Yeah. And I will say, too, the court system is they protect themselves from seeing the information.

00:39:59.100 So the lawyers tried to get in exculpatory statements out of court statements, basically things that were picked up on the wire while they had all these different informants driving these guys around the country to various excursions, FBI sponsored.

00:40:13.020 Field training exercises, whatever. They're driving them around and sorry, I lost my train of thought.

00:40:21.360 They're driving around these two guys who pleaded guilty, who had lied.

00:40:25.980 I forgot what I was. I'm sorry.

00:40:27.700 What they do is they they make up scenarios and they're like, hey, let's do land navigation. Right.

00:40:32.860 And you have text messages of the FBI agents texting the informants like, hey, you know what, let's try land navigation today.

00:40:41.640 You know, such and such is at work. Why don't you try to hit up this person and that person, see if they're available.

00:40:47.720 You know, we'll pick them up in the in the vehicle, you know, take them out to do whatever and say, let's do some land navigation.

00:40:53.920 And then, you know, like what they did to Adam Fox is they pick them up and say they want to go to land navigation and then they drive hours up north in Michigan and they just go drive by like the mansion, the vacation mansion or whatever.

00:41:08.600 And then say, then lie. Right. And then say, yeah, he wanted to do that.

00:41:12.900 They give him a pen and a piece of paper and say, hey, here, why don't you draw a map of the area?

00:41:18.060 No, they drew that. They sent him pictures. The FBI agents sent him pictures.

00:41:23.500 This agent, Lauren Hastings, who was posing as a woman named Elise Marie, which was the girlfriend of another agent that was posing as somebody else online.

00:41:32.000 They sent him the FBI took pictures of Mackinac.

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00:42:35.120 And they wrote markings on them and then they sent them to him in Facebook and then the government used that against him and they said, oh, look, he he got these pictures together for Mackinac Island and he was showing people this because he wanted to go drive by her house or whatever.

00:42:50.560 They did stuff like this all the time, though, like you had these informants telling some of the targets of their investigation.

00:42:58.260 Oh, I've been banned on Facebook. I want you to throw this out there.

00:43:01.280 You've got a platform still. I want you to say this about this governor or, you know, say this.

00:43:06.120 Just throw it out there and see what people say.

00:43:08.380 They do things like that.

00:43:09.880 And then they'll use those posts against them later to say, oh, look, in February of 2020, he's complaining about a governor on Facebook.

00:43:17.460 And it's like, well, in February of 2020, you had informants, multiple informants that were working him and manipulating him and telling him to do these things.

00:43:27.000 And technically, their investigation doesn't start until March of 2020.

00:43:31.700 So why are these informants in contact with people before?

00:43:35.320 Have there been any convictions?

00:43:36.780 Yeah. So there's, you know, our trial was the main one. Six of us charged federally. That was the first trial.

00:43:43.940 I was acquitted on that on my birthday, by the way, which was absolutely amazing. Best birthday present ever.

00:43:51.120 I mean, you shouldn't have been locked up in the first place.

00:43:53.740 Right, right.

00:43:54.740 But at the time.

00:43:56.000 Yeah. So me and Dan were acquitted on that one. There was a mistrial for Adam Fox and Barry Croft.

00:44:01.020 Now we have the other two guys that.

00:44:02.520 And then after the mistrial, there's another trial and they got a retrial for Adam and Barry.

00:44:06.520 Yep. And then they had a state case. So what they did was they arrested us six guys and then said that essentially it was this whole group, the Wolverine Watchmen. Right.

00:44:17.900 And then we were like the leaders and the enforcers. So then.

00:44:22.120 But how they criminally prosecute is something I've never really seen before because they take one group because they know they don't have a case. Right.

00:44:28.960 They got to separate it. So they get one federal case and then they separate, oh, two other state cases.

00:44:34.820 And so far, the three other guys in the state cases, they all got convicted.

00:44:39.280 Yes.

00:44:39.780 What happened with that? I wasn't it that certain evidence wasn't allowed to be admitted.

00:44:43.520 They were charged with providing material support for terrorism, which was like they let somebody use their property for training or they taught somebody how to tie a tourniquet or whatever.

00:44:53.760 And they're now saying that's like aiding and abetting a terrorist.

00:44:57.360 So what Michigan has very unique anti-terrorism laws that were passed in 2002 in the wake of 9-11 that have enhancements for like aiding and abetting.

00:45:05.700 So if you were like an American citizen and you were like assisting Al-Qaeda and then an Al-Qaeda terrorist committed an act of terrorism, they're basically saying if you aided and abetted them, you can be charged with the same thing and you'd be punished to the same extent as them.

00:45:20.980 So they had this aiding and abetting thing for that that they used on these guys for providing material support.

00:45:27.600 They said they were aiding and abetting a case.

00:45:30.700 And then as soon as they get the plea agreements, they now have the legal standard of this proves it.

00:45:37.520 Yeah.

00:45:37.860 Therefore, anybody who gave them anything that proves that.

00:45:40.400 I remember what I was trying to say.

00:45:41.560 It's a complex.

00:45:42.460 I'm sorry.

00:45:43.000 And it it's kind of goofy the way he you know, he said they had this thing and then they broke it up.

00:45:48.680 So they they broke it up into the federal case and then the two state cases.

00:45:52.780 They needed the guys in the federal case, those two that took the plea deal to take the plea deal because they needed those convictions.

00:45:59.740 So that in the state cases, you can't provide material support for a T act if it didn't happen and there is no conspiracy.

00:46:08.220 So to get those guys in the state cases, they first had to get you all in the federal case or at least get somebody to take a plea deal and say there was a conspiracy, you know, and then they can get them for providing material support for that.

00:46:20.720 Yeah.

00:46:21.260 And the providing material support, what they were claiming it was, was, you know, Second Amendment protected activity.

00:46:27.480 Right.

00:46:27.800 So, like, you got a group of dudes that like shooting guns and you say, hey, why don't you come over my property?

00:46:32.360 We'll shoot a little bit.

00:46:33.220 And then if those guys, you know, six months later, get arrested by the FBI, say, well, oh, well, you were providing material support for these guys.

00:46:43.600 You let them on your property.

00:46:45.060 You shot guns with them.

00:46:46.580 You helped them successfully try to implement this plot.

00:46:51.820 You know, they said they were running a terror, a terrorist training camp.

00:46:54.760 Right.

00:46:54.960 And it's like, wait, you mean the FBI was like the these are the FBI sponsored field training exercises.

00:47:00.920 The FBI is running the militia group.

00:47:03.600 You know, the Wolverine Watchmen group that he's talking about, they're a small militia group in Michigan, mostly online.

00:47:11.760 It had like 15 members or something.

00:47:13.960 It's founded in 2019 by two guys, Joe Morrison and Pete Musico.

00:47:19.000 And the FBI takes over almost immediately.

00:47:21.980 Their informant becomes a second in command.

00:47:24.280 And then they say all these other guys that were not members of this militia group that just kind of knew these guys.

00:47:30.480 They said that they were members and they put together this map with like 45 people and they tried to say it was a gang.

00:47:37.060 That's the other thing there.

00:47:38.080 Now they have had gang charges for some of the guys that provided material support.

00:47:42.860 The state case, they've given them gang charges.

00:47:45.540 So they're now trying to basically say militias are violent gangs because law enforcement can create task forces to go after gangs and they can work with the feds for that.

00:47:56.660 So I thought that was a very interesting aspect of this.

00:47:59.800 They want to talk about providing material support, right?

00:48:02.380 But what did the feds do?

00:48:03.500 The entire time the feds are giving their informants these gigantic credit cards and telling everyone, hey, why don't you go buy a 50 cal rifle?

00:48:11.660 Or, hey, why don't you go buy like a bunch of ammunition and a bunch of gear?

00:48:15.920 And people are like, oh, no, I'm good.

00:48:18.940 I'll just use my own money.

00:48:20.880 Yeah.

00:48:21.000 So they never even no one ever even took the bait on that.

00:48:23.580 OK, yeah, the credit cards was for a charity that the informant that was a pedo was running called Race to Unite Races.

00:48:31.660 And he had these credit cards.

00:48:33.620 They were like five thousand dollar credit cards.

00:48:35.620 That's what these guys were being told.

00:48:37.060 And they were kind of shoving that towards them at the end because they wanted to wrap this up before the election.

00:48:42.420 But nobody had done anything.

00:48:43.900 And in their text messages, the FBI agents are saying to each other in the informants in like May of 2020.

00:48:50.020 These guys have no plan.

00:48:51.640 They're wasting my time.

00:48:52.880 In September of 2020, the FBI admits that there's no plan.

00:48:56.840 And that's why they have to introduce the undercover agent Red to pose as an explosives expert to try to get these guys to put down a down payment for like a C4 or something, some kind of explosive that could take out a bridge or whatever.

00:49:10.980 Nobody bought nobody gave this guy money for the explosives.

00:49:15.020 But this is like what they're doing, the FBI, to try to fabricate this and make it look like there was something so they could arrest these guys right before the election.

00:49:25.060 Wow.

00:49:25.760 I wonder, I can only assume more things like this are still happening.

00:49:30.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:31.540 So what's weird is it seems like this case is springs out of like a bigger operation that it looks like the FBI was involved in going back to 2018 and 19,

00:49:42.540 where it seemed like they were interested in infiltrating the Midwest militia movement.

00:49:46.800 They created a fake militia group called the Midwest Coalition through one of their informants.

00:49:52.420 The informants in this case, a lot of them were posing as heads of the state chapters of a fake militia group that the FBI completely fabricated called the Patriot Three Percenters.

00:50:04.060 It didn't exist.

00:50:05.980 Steve Robeson, an informant, was posing as the head of the Wisconsin chapter.

00:50:09.780 Jenny Plunk, another informant, was posing as the head of the Tennessee chapter.

00:50:14.980 They inducted Adam Fox, who the government called the ringleader of this, the homeless man living in the basement of the VAC shack that had no running water.

00:50:24.880 Yeah, they inducted him to make him the head of the Michigan chapter of, again, a fake militia group.

00:50:30.360 So, man, thinking about all this, plus, you know, we're now entering this new election cycle, things starting to ramp up already.

00:50:42.460 My concern is where this country goes.

00:50:44.460 If we've seen that there are criminal elements of the federal government that are never held accountable,

00:50:49.360 held accountable, are willing to engage in the most vile and maliciously evil behavior to win power,

00:50:55.920 I can only imagine what's going to happen 2024 with the depravity of these individuals.

00:51:02.880 And, you know, there's a lot of concerns about the 2020 election.

00:51:06.320 You know, Donald Trump obviously says that it was stolen from and all those things.

00:51:08.460 What I see there is the manipulation of state-level government for things like universal mail-in voting.

00:51:15.540 But what we see with this story, with your story, is direct – you know, I'll put it this way.

00:51:20.900 I don't think they care if you got convicted or not.

00:51:23.460 I really don't think so.

00:51:24.440 I don't think they care if any of them did.

00:51:25.720 They did need at least one plea agreement, so they can start the whole thing.

00:51:30.360 But I think the only thing they really cared about was getting the October surprise.

00:51:33.680 After that, operation complete.

00:51:35.800 Right.

00:51:36.040 How well did the PSYOP work?

00:51:37.540 I'd imagine they – as soon as they got the AP to report the arrest, they said – they popped the champagne, dropped a mission accomplished, and said, all right.

00:51:46.120 Well, they did, too, because one of the lead FBI guys for the Detroit field office, Anthony N. Duantano –

00:51:53.420 Stephen Duantano.

00:51:54.360 Stephen Duantano.

00:51:55.500 He was immediately promoted to the Washington, D.C. field office to – he wound up overseeing the January 6th stuff.

00:52:03.480 And he oversaw my case and situation.

00:52:06.240 I have to talk about that real quick, if you don't mind.

00:52:09.600 So one of the aspects of his case is that during the lockdowns in 2020, there were anti-lockdown rallies in Lansing, in Michigan.

00:52:19.180 And it was – everybody showed up for this, left, right, whatever.

00:52:22.380 People didn't want the state lockdown.

00:52:24.160 They wanted to make money.

00:52:25.000 So they showed up to this protest.

00:52:26.980 The watchmen are there, some of them.

00:52:28.680 And the informants, you know, he – the informant, Big Dan, is wearing his wire.

00:52:33.820 He's with the group.

00:52:34.600 The FBI has agents stationed all around the capital at Lansing while this lockdown protest is happening.

00:52:40.020 They've got agents listening in, watching it in real time.

00:52:43.480 This guy, the informant, Dan, says on his wire, these guys, I think they're getting ready to do something.

00:52:49.180 And all they were doing was standing there.

00:52:50.940 They had their guns on and, like, their plate carriers.

00:52:53.880 And they just – they're looking scary, you know, at this rally.

00:52:57.080 But there's tons of people there.

00:52:58.620 So the FBI, listening in to their informant, calls the Lansing Capitol Police and tells them,

00:53:05.480 we want you to stand down, open the doors, and let everybody in.

00:53:09.180 Whoa.

00:53:09.680 What?

00:53:09.700 This was April 30th, 2020.

00:53:12.060 Look it up.

00:53:13.140 You'll see pictures of the Wolverine watchmen in there.

00:53:14.360 A trial balloon for January 6th.

00:53:16.060 Right, Michigan State Capitol.

00:53:17.340 So this was the trial run for January 6th, all oversaw by the Detroit field office.

00:53:21.400 So they say, open the doors, let everybody in.

00:53:23.320 Now, the guys in the Wolverine watchmen that are there that day, they stand in line peacefully.

00:53:27.620 They go through COVID screening.

00:53:29.080 They go inside.

00:53:30.320 They occupy the building for, like, four hours, and then they leave peacefully.

00:53:33.700 But the media the next day runs with the pictures of these guys in there.

00:53:37.920 And the narrative of, like, right-wing, white supremacist, militia groups storming capitals.

00:53:45.000 And so the gentleman who was overseeing the Detroit field office at that time, special agent Stephen D'Antuono,

00:53:51.860 he is promoted one week after you guys get arrested, October 7th, 2020.

00:53:57.060 He is promoted October 13th, 2020, by Christopher Wray himself to be the assistant director of the Washington, D.C. field office.

00:54:04.960 And he is there.

00:54:06.080 He's working that day on January 6th, overseeing another incidental storming of the Capitol that we now know had FBI informants present in groups like the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and just there in general.

00:54:19.340 We now know there were undercover Metropolitan Police Department people.

00:54:22.840 They're on camera telling people they're dressed like Trump voters.

00:54:26.440 They're on camera telling people, move forward, move forward.

00:54:29.360 We know that now.

00:54:30.420 Questions about Ray Epps?

00:54:31.320 Yes, so D'Antuono is overseeing all of this on January 6th.

00:54:37.240 He then retires right before Republicans take over, and they have the weaponization committee, and they start looking into this stuff.

00:54:44.820 Conveniently, D'Antuono is retired.

00:54:46.580 He now works for a consulting firm.

00:54:48.160 But he's now being celebrated by Republicans because he said the obvious about the Mar-a-Lago raid.

00:54:55.560 He said it was politically motivated.

00:54:58.320 Well, sir, like, was everything you've done the past five years been politically motivated?

00:55:04.120 Yeah, maybe he's hedging his bets in case Donald Trump gets elected.

00:55:06.460 I think that's exactly what he's doing.

00:55:08.800 And the Republicans on the weaponization committee, they had this guy there.

00:55:12.980 They got him to answer questions about the pipe bomber on January 6th in the Mar-a-Lago raid.

00:55:19.540 They don't ask him anything about anything else related to January 6th.

00:55:22.920 They don't ask him about the Whitmer case.

00:55:25.120 It's amazing to me.

00:55:26.660 So I would suggest they need to bring him back in and ask him questions.

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00:56:34.540 Yeah, exactly.

00:56:36.300 Another interesting aspect of this is one of the lead handling agents on the case, Honrick Impala.

00:56:41.380 He was accused of perjury by a U.S. attorney, a former attorney, Brian P. Lennon,

00:56:46.920 in committing perjury in a prior case involving informants.

00:56:50.060 He was basically accused of gross misconduct by a U.S. attorney who, for whatever reason,

00:56:55.620 felt like his conduct was bad enough that he needed to alert Duantuono in February of

00:57:00.980 2020, warning, saying this guy, this agent needs to be, he recommended he be turned over

00:57:06.180 to the FBI's OPR Internal Affairs Division for an investigation.

00:57:10.140 He sends that letter to Duantuono and to Stuart Platt, the assistant director of the FBI, warning

00:57:16.980 them about this agent.

00:57:18.420 This is February 2020.

00:57:20.220 One month later, he's a lead handling agent in the Whitmer case.

00:57:23.880 So it's like he also got promoted.

00:57:25.980 They were warned about him.

00:57:27.080 They knew.

00:57:27.480 As far as I know, there's been no investigation into that.

00:57:30.960 It's amazing.

00:57:32.880 They're now criminally charging the former president federally.

00:57:37.060 They indicted him in New York.

00:57:38.860 They indicted him in federal court in Miami, arrested and arraigned.

00:57:42.560 And now Georgia is planning to do the same thing.

00:57:44.620 It feels like this country is on the verge of imploding.

00:57:49.060 It feels like they want that to happen.

00:57:50.760 I think they're trying to instigate that.

00:57:52.820 Yeah.

00:57:52.960 And if we remember back then, too, they tried to say that we like we were Trump's henchmen

00:57:58.240 at first.

00:57:59.320 They were trying to say that we were working for Trump and Trump hired us to go get Gretchen.

00:58:04.620 Because if we remember back then, Trump and Gretchen had that beef where, you know, Trump

00:58:09.500 was calling her out or not giving her enough money or something like that.

00:58:13.280 And so the government, along with the with the disgusting corporate media, decided to say,

00:58:19.080 oh, these were all Trump supporters and blah, blah, blah.

00:58:21.380 Well, then a video of me leaks out where I'm like criticizing Trump, you know, because

00:58:26.440 the bump stock stuff and and stuff like that.

00:58:28.940 And they're like, oh, wait, hold on.

00:58:30.640 He has an anarchist flag in the background.

00:58:32.680 Wait, he's not a Trump supporter.

00:58:34.140 They tried to say I was like Antifa.

00:58:35.800 They couldn't put me in the box that they wanted.

00:58:39.720 Ultimately, you know, and that's where they failed about the whole Trump thing.

00:58:44.080 No, they tried to do that with the Boogaloo boys.

00:58:46.160 Yeah.

00:58:46.340 So the only problem is you have a video of Boogaloo boys shaking hands with Antifa.

00:58:50.060 Yeah, because these guys don't fit the narrative the media was trying to create.

00:58:54.540 So they just lie anyway.

00:58:56.080 But then you get a viral video where I can't remember what it was.

00:58:58.660 It might have been like SF or something where Antifa says you stood with us today.

00:59:01.700 We thank you for this and shakes hand with some Boogaloo boys who are not hardcore, right?

00:59:07.660 Trump supporting militia guys or whatever.

00:59:09.500 They're yeah.

00:59:10.620 I'm not going to presume to know everything about them, but that certainly struck a hole in

00:59:15.500 their narrative.

00:59:15.980 Yeah, but you mentioned it seems like they're trying to instigate it.

00:59:19.160 And I have to wonder, you know, you can't look at what they're doing and

00:59:23.520 the degree of sophistication required to pull off a plot like this.

00:59:28.800 Well, it's not the smartest thing in the world.

00:59:30.460 It's certainly take some degree of sophistication.

00:59:32.480 And I feel like anybody who understands, you know, one plus one equals two in this circumstance

00:59:37.400 knows everything they're doing leads to social destabilization.

00:59:41.820 So perhaps this criminal element in the federal government is trying to destroy this country.

00:59:47.460 Sedition, the real seditious conspiracy.

00:59:49.940 Yeah.

00:59:50.040 I mean, the things they accused Trump of, they were all false.

00:59:53.800 The protection of Joe Biden after the Burisma scandal.

00:59:57.060 Joe Biden admitted on camera to threatening to illegally withhold loan guarantees and no

01:00:03.080 action is taken.

01:00:04.940 When Donald Trump says, let's look into this, they impeach him for it.

01:00:08.180 So I wonder if, I mean, the degree to which this nation is captured is intense.

01:00:14.060 I wonder if these criminal elements, if they're trying to destroy or destabilize the country,

01:00:19.620 or if they're so desperate to stop Donald Trump that they're getting sloppy.

01:00:26.600 They're going to the most extreme degree possible.

01:00:29.120 Yeah, I think it could be both.

01:00:30.320 I mean, they definitely want to destabilize because, you know, they can't.

01:00:34.320 It's when we look at tyrannies that have happened in history, you know, these things happen kind

01:00:38.440 of slowly over time and, and they don't just like show up with, with guns and just take

01:00:43.460 you out by force.

01:00:44.720 This has to be built up.

01:00:46.340 So it's a good excuse.

01:00:48.080 If you can politically polarize, you know, uh, the entire United States population and get

01:00:54.240 as many people polarized as you can, and then start pushing, start aggressing and pushing

01:01:00.740 certain psyops and dynamics where people get mad about this or that.

01:01:04.880 And then once something violent happens, whether the, the feds got to create it or not, it doesn't

01:01:10.560 matter because they can bring order out of that chaos that they created.

01:01:14.340 And right now the FBI is creating crime in order to stop crime.

01:01:19.880 But you know, they've always done it, right?

01:01:21.240 Right.

01:01:21.880 Historically, the feds are notorious for providing the materials to their target and then saying,

01:01:26.200 aha, look, and it's like, if you did not do, if you did not do this, there would be nothing.

01:01:32.380 Right.

01:01:32.840 You know, some, some, uh, they've done it with, with, uh, with Muslims.

01:01:36.280 They, whenever they try to justify their own existence, now they're doing it to try and

01:01:40.320 steal elections.

01:01:42.220 That's a scary thought.

01:01:43.660 I'm curious, where do you think this all, uh, this all goes?

01:01:46.420 I mean, what, we're, we're, uh, right at the point where the president has had his rival

01:01:51.460 arrested.

01:01:52.640 So what's, what happens next?

01:01:54.380 I mean, you know, I don't, I don't know what, what is going to happen specifically, but what

01:01:59.460 I do know is that what we can do is look, organize with, with people you love and care

01:02:06.420 about, stay close with people and talk to each other about what's going on in the world

01:02:11.680 because we need to pay attention, have some storageable food, you know, get some training

01:02:17.100 with firearms, understand, have some backup water filtration systems, you know, and prepare

01:02:23.080 yourself just in case something happens because you want to put yourself in a position where

01:02:29.360 you're able to sustain yourself for a long period of time without relying on the state

01:02:35.480 for that.

01:02:36.280 And then you want to have a community of like-minded people who understand morality, who understand

01:02:43.240 principles, who understand rights so that you guys can work together to protect yourselves

01:02:49.340 because, you know, whether the government's coming down on you or not, if a situation

01:02:53.980 like this happens and, and, and whether the dollar collapses or whatever it may be, there's

01:02:58.440 going to be people out there that, that didn't prepare like you did, and they're going to want

01:03:02.320 to take what you got.

01:03:03.420 Yep.

01:03:04.500 There's the, uh, what, what, what is the saying?

01:03:07.400 The, the, the, the people who are stockpiling, but are unarmed are just storing food for those

01:03:13.340 that are.

01:03:14.120 Exactly.

01:03:14.740 Yep.

01:03:15.020 Yeah.

01:03:15.440 You know, we, we talk about how to, you know, what you should do in the, in the event of

01:03:19.200 a catastrophe and things like this.

01:03:20.860 I feel like with everything we've seen with Bud Light, the, uh, people are waking up.

01:03:25.820 They're starting to realize the media has been lying to them more and more and more.

01:03:28.960 They're starting to feel more and more comfortable.

01:03:29.980 And so I think what we're likely to see is these criminal elements of government that,

01:03:35.240 um, I mean, these are, these are discernibly and provably criminal elements to Joe Biden

01:03:38.700 admitting on camera that he illegally threatened to withhold loan guarantees.

01:03:43.080 I mean, more and more information's coming out.

01:03:45.040 Uh, so the clearly criminal elements plus the Hunter Biden stuff, come on.

01:03:49.300 But the more we, more I see here, I think they're losing.

01:03:51.840 I think the things they do with you and others are acts of pure desperation in an attempt to,

01:03:57.920 uh, it's, it's the death throes.

01:03:59.580 It is when someone is drowning, they start splashing around violently and crazily.

01:04:04.680 And I think that's what we're seeing.

01:04:06.980 My prediction is, well, a lot of people are predicting very, very dark and catastrophic

01:04:11.060 days in the next year or so.

01:04:12.760 Yeah, I think you're going to see a lot of crazy stuff.

01:04:14.740 I think you'll probably see riding from the left.

01:04:16.820 They'll try and weaponize that.

01:04:18.820 Uh, but I ultimately think regular people were getting to that point where it's like

01:04:24.300 that scene in V for Vendetta where the cop shoots the little girl.

01:04:26.740 And then finally the people just, it shows them all angrily walking up to the cop and

01:04:31.080 then you can only assume what happens next.

01:04:32.540 But that point where the authority of the officer who's committed the crime no longer

01:04:35.960 matters and people are now standing up for their communities.

01:04:39.600 What I mean to say in that regard is it's, it's going to come a point where the media puts

01:04:44.080 out another lie.

01:04:44.700 And then people just say off.

01:04:47.320 I don't believe it.

01:04:48.160 They're going to try and sway people, manipulate people, and people are not going to be buying

01:04:52.100 into it.

01:04:52.520 They're going to say, I don't want to be involved in that.

01:04:54.540 I think it really might come down to Bud Light as this major catalyst.

01:04:58.720 It's funny how we can go from like the FBI hoax terror plot to people don't want to buy

01:05:03.720 beer, but they're not wanting to buy beer.

01:05:05.460 Things is significant because what it shows is that people may actually be more scared to

01:05:11.480 be the person buying the beer than to be the person boycotting it.

01:05:15.040 And when that cultural shift happens, the machine has collapsed.

01:05:19.240 So, you know, I'm hearing stories of prominent personalities who are totally not political

01:05:24.480 going on their shows and being like, I'm not woke.

01:05:27.540 You know, I'm not involved in any of that.

01:05:29.420 I'm not like them, I swear.

01:05:31.460 Because this, this machine narrative is becoming perceivably unpopular.

01:05:35.360 People are starting to find that, you know, if they're on the other side of things saying,

01:05:38.840 hey, we don't want this stuff, they get more views, they get more traffic, they get more

01:05:42.520 likes.

01:05:43.500 And this shift is maybe partially due to Elon Musk buying Twitter.

01:05:48.720 It could be a, a, a massive cultural tsunami that they could just not control, but their

01:05:54.440 attempt at subverting this country and manipulating it is, it's ultimately failing.

01:05:58.380 So I'm fairly optimistic in that regard.

01:06:00.400 You know, I look at your story, actually the acquittal, and I do think their ultimate goal

01:06:05.180 was just the news story.

01:06:06.580 That's what they wanted to manipulate the election.

01:06:08.180 They got it, but now they can't control the aftermath.

01:06:11.600 So it seems like it may be a pure victory.

01:06:14.260 They probably influenced the election and helped Whitmer get elected.

01:06:17.420 It was shocking that we saw these people get reelected.

01:06:20.000 Right.

01:06:21.420 But then they can't control what happens next.

01:06:23.780 And so now it feels like short, short term, you know, maybe as we move forward, things are

01:06:29.880 going to start restabilizing.

01:06:32.140 So, so my, my, my prediction right now, as it would seem is the stuff we're all talking

01:06:37.620 about with the FBI and these manipulations still happening, probably, probably going to get worse.

01:06:41.420 Yeah.

01:06:41.700 But I think it'll have much, much less of an impact.

01:06:44.000 The next time they do a plot like this, I think a lot of people are going to be like,

01:06:47.840 do you believe this BS?

01:06:49.040 I don't believe it anymore.

01:06:50.500 Right.

01:06:50.920 Yeah.

01:06:51.160 That's ultimately like, you know, the solution to, if enough people understand that it's

01:06:55.940 a lie, you know, no violence needs to happen.

01:06:58.720 There, there doesn't need to be any force required because enough people understand the

01:07:04.940 truth, you know?

01:07:05.960 And if they say, you know what, in my mind, like the authority that you claimed you have

01:07:12.040 doesn't exist in my mind anymore.

01:07:13.980 Therefore, whatever you're telling me to do, I, you don't, I don't believe it.

01:07:18.200 It's not legitimate to me.

01:07:19.760 January 6th, you know, they, they really, really wanted to hammer that one, but I think

01:07:24.960 it's not working.

01:07:26.540 No, that's falling apart.

01:07:28.060 I think even like normies are questioning January 6th.

01:07:32.200 Now, I think all of their narratives are falling apart and I think they're very desperate.

01:07:35.440 I really do think that this is sort of like, you know, the end of the empire.

01:07:41.720 And like you said, when an animal feels cornered, it lashes out kind of crazily.

01:07:47.120 And, um, an interesting thing about their case, like that's the purpose of doing a documentary

01:07:51.900 about it to tell the story is I learned so much more about it, investigating it myself

01:07:56.440 and doing the documentary, talking to these guys personally than I did from any media story

01:08:02.000 and even listening into the trial myself.

01:08:04.160 Um, there are so many things you don't know.

01:08:07.380 And to tell that full story, I think a documentary can really reach everybody.

01:08:11.960 And I think it takes something like that to show people that the FBI lies so much.

01:08:16.480 They're not good people.

01:08:17.460 And I think that for Americans, you are, you know, we've been raised with shows like

01:08:21.800 Law & Order, CSI.

01:08:23.240 Americans have this idea that like lawyers and FBI agents don't lie or they did for the

01:08:29.360 longest time, right?

01:08:30.860 You watch Law & Order.

01:08:31.940 I think actually they did it for SVU, for instance, did a very good job of showing how

01:08:36.220 evil the law enforcement could be.

01:08:38.680 That's true.

01:08:39.300 That's true.

01:08:39.780 But I think there's this sort of like Americans think that if, if a grand jury returns an indictment,

01:08:45.040 there must be something there, right?

01:08:46.540 If a prosecutor says something, they must be telling the truth.

01:08:49.960 They don't think that these lawyers or prosecutors, U.S. attorneys lie, that there's still the

01:08:55.060 sort of, you know, authority and prestige that comes with that.

01:08:58.560 That's why they have such a high conviction rate.

01:09:00.860 You know, they have like a 99.8% conviction rate that guys like this, when they're being

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01:10:39.020 It's just amazing.

01:10:41.720 And I think people really don't understand that.

01:10:43.660 But I think seeing it, though, takes away that power that these people have.

01:10:46.900 Because once you peel back the curtains and you see it for what it is, you understand that

01:10:51.440 this is not legitimate law enforcement activity.

01:10:53.840 There wasn't a crime in motion and an informant just observed and reported back to law enforcement

01:10:59.660 what was happening so they could stop it.

01:11:01.440 This was the FBI manufacturing it, planning the whole thing, introducing people to each other

01:11:08.040 that didn't know each other, staging the theatrical FTXs so they could film them.

01:11:14.420 They built the shoot house.

01:11:15.960 The FBI built that.

01:11:17.020 Not these guys.

01:11:17.720 They said they were modeling it after her vacation cottage so they could train and practice

01:11:21.900 taking out her security detail.

01:11:23.980 Their informants are picked up on a wire suggesting that you take out her security detail.

01:11:30.840 They were the ones that made suggestions of firing some rounds into governors' homes.

01:11:35.760 They're the ones that suggested.

01:11:36.820 Which they called that de-escalation.

01:11:38.140 They called it a de-escalation tactic.

01:11:40.200 Them suggesting these crimes is actually de-escalation somehow.

01:11:44.520 They said that we should put Tannerite in different governors' driveways, shoot it and blow it up

01:11:49.440 to send a message and mail the governors the shell casings.

01:11:53.060 This is their informant saying that.

01:11:55.000 They have another informant who's doing the same thing.

01:11:58.420 He's trying to convince a disabled Vietnam veteran from Virginia named Frank Butler that

01:12:04.860 he should kidnap and kill Ralph Northam, recruit a bunch of people in his area to help him carry

01:12:10.120 this out.

01:12:10.820 And the FBI informant, Dan Chappell, texts him a recipe to make an explosive from household

01:12:17.800 items like Drano and sugar and then tells him to double the ingredients.

01:12:22.120 This is an elderly, disabled Vietnam veteran that the FBI is trying to coax into doing this

01:12:31.520 stuff.

01:12:32.000 It is just...

01:12:32.880 Malevolent evil.

01:12:34.000 It's evil.

01:12:34.720 It's wicked.

01:12:35.640 Malevolent.

01:12:35.980 There's the banality of evil and there's the malevolent evil.

01:12:38.680 Yeah.

01:12:38.900 They wanted it to be, by the way, like a multi-state terror plot.

01:12:42.500 They wanted this happening in multiple governors' homes.

01:12:44.980 They're just really bad at what they do, to be honest.

01:12:46.880 I mean, you know, we talk about this story and they may have succeeded with the news

01:12:50.040 reports, but man, they were really bad at it.

01:12:52.380 You know, if their end result was a multi-state thing, I'm looking at it all of a sudden, I'm

01:12:56.900 hearing these stories and I'm just like, sending the wrong address?

01:13:00.920 Right.

01:13:01.480 I mean, come on, man.

01:13:03.660 You know, if you're going to carry out a conspiracy, geez, these FBI guys.

01:13:08.200 Texting the plans to each other, to each other, the informants, the agents texting each

01:13:11.820 other.

01:13:11.920 Well, let's talk about the questions of why they do it.

01:13:16.880 Yeah.

01:13:17.180 Why would they want to subvert and steal elections?

01:13:20.000 Why do you think?

01:13:20.800 I have a big, larger, worldly picture of this, but I'm curious why you think they did it.

01:13:25.640 I think they did it because I think that they want to have control.

01:13:28.580 I think they need to have control of the narrative.

01:13:30.680 I think they want to influence things.

01:13:33.360 And I think that they're just evil and wicked.

01:13:35.240 And I think they like destroying people, you know, and I think that they saw these guys

01:13:39.780 from Michigan, working class white guys from Detroit.

01:13:43.200 No one's going to care about them.

01:13:45.080 That's what they thought.

01:13:45.840 Is that how you see it?

01:13:46.420 Yeah.

01:13:46.840 I mean, I think there's like an apparatus within the government that you, you can work

01:13:54.520 up and you have these agencies and, you know, your politicians and your law enforcement and

01:13:58.680 your judges and, and whatever.

01:14:00.260 But it's almost like there's this like secret evil apparatus within it.

01:14:05.620 That's almost kind of like people know about it.

01:14:08.360 And if you get in with this person and with that person and you, you know, succeed at creating

01:14:14.040 this fake plot or whatever, then you start getting promoted.

01:14:17.400 So regardless of your position, whether you're, you know, federal law enforcement or a federal

01:14:23.140 prosecutor, you can advance your, everyone has an incentive to advance their careers at

01:14:30.440 the expense of somebody else.

01:14:31.960 And ultimately that creates an even bigger conspiracy within the government that, you know, is orchestrating

01:14:40.000 a lot of the things, a lot of the evil that we see in society right now.

01:14:43.740 So I think, uh, my view of it is, as I mentioned, malicious, malintent, and the banality of evil,

01:14:50.580 the banality of evil.

01:14:51.640 I would describe as how, how you're saying people are advancing their careers.

01:14:54.140 So they're just doing whatever.

01:14:55.300 You probably have a lot of people who are just like, all I know is they told me these guys

01:14:59.040 are bad guys, so we got to stop them.

01:15:00.560 Right.

01:15:01.140 And then you've got people who are like, yeah, I don't know a whole lot, but man, this is

01:15:05.660 going to boost my career.

01:15:06.700 One more prosecution, one more arrest.

01:15:08.860 It's going to look real good.

01:15:09.700 I have a plaque on my wall.

01:15:11.580 But in the bigger picture, I think you have the, the, uh, malicious evil as an emerging out

01:15:18.300 of what they would probably perceive as being good intentions.

01:15:22.440 You know, the path to good.

01:15:23.520 What is it?

01:15:24.100 What is it?

01:15:24.420 The path, uh, good intention.

01:15:26.640 The path of good intention.

01:15:27.680 The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

01:15:28.680 Right.

01:15:28.860 There you go.

01:15:29.220 The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

01:15:30.440 There you go.

01:15:30.960 Got it.

01:15:31.600 So here's, here's what I see.

01:15:33.780 I see right now around the world, you have many foreign nations saying they're going to

01:15:39.980 be getting off the petrodollar.

01:15:41.620 You have Russia and China.

01:15:43.040 You have conflict in Ukraine, Russia trying to take the Donbass, Crimea, et cetera.

01:15:46.740 I mean, Russia has always had Crimea for the most part, but, and now it looks like they're

01:15:50.120 succeeding in controlling it.

01:15:51.260 I mean, this narrative that Russia's losing is every single day it comes out, but then

01:15:54.840 you look at the maps of Russian territorial control and they own the Donbass.

01:15:57.760 It's like, how are they, how are you claiming they're losing?

01:16:00.860 But I see the, um, what they would describe as the liberal economic order.

01:16:05.240 Are you familiar with this term?

01:16:06.740 The council on foreign relations calls it the right post-world war two.

01:16:10.820 They said, we want to prevent world war three.

01:16:12.520 So we need to create a liberal economic order, a liberal world order where we have military

01:16:17.700 bases all over effectively world police.

01:16:19.440 And I see within this two things, there are elements in the U S government that are concerned

01:16:27.240 the petrodollar is about to fall.

01:16:29.200 Oh yeah.

01:16:29.540 And if it does, the standard of living of the average American will plummet tenfold.

01:16:34.780 We don't make things.

01:16:36.020 No, we don't make things.

01:16:37.160 No, we enforce the world.

01:16:38.560 And so you end up with people who work at Buzzfeed, writing garbage articles about Brad

01:16:42.860 Pitt's junk, but getting paid $90,000 a year, which makes literally no sense.

01:16:47.140 A working class tradesman makes, you know, apprentices make less than that, even though

01:16:51.080 they're actually fixing toilets.

01:16:52.440 Right.

01:16:52.940 Well, the reality is we print the money, we control it.

01:16:57.060 We can make you do whatever we want.

01:16:59.080 And so I believe there's elements of the government who feel we must do everything in our power,

01:17:04.340 no matter who we have to sacrifice to maintain this system.

01:17:08.560 And I believe this because for one, we know about the economic order.

01:17:11.280 We know about when it comes to the war in Ukraine, a lot of this is related to getting

01:17:17.560 cheaper gas energy into Europe.

01:17:21.020 Long and circuitous explanations of history to explain how this all ties into trying to

01:17:26.200 frame this guy who's before me, but you have the Qatar Turkey pipeline.

01:17:29.820 The purpose here is they want to build a pipeline from Iraq through Syria, Turkey into Europe

01:17:34.920 to bring cheaper gas to offset the Russian Gazprom gas monopoly, which controls about

01:17:40.000 20% of the gas into Europe, jacking up the prices.

01:17:43.040 Syria says, no, we side with Russia.

01:17:45.860 This conveniently for us, civil war breaks out in Syria, and we just happen to be opposed

01:17:50.080 to their government.

01:17:51.480 And then you get Crimea, you get this conflict, and it all seems interrelated.

01:17:55.200 The reason we wanted cheaper energy into Europe is so that the European Union bloc could compete

01:17:58.860 with China as China rapidly expands.

01:18:01.000 And the reason for that is because China is trying to get off the petrodollar and it's

01:18:04.800 encouraging more and more nations to do so, and they've done so effectively with Saudi

01:18:07.800 Arabia.

01:18:08.480 And when the petrodollar falls, we all become much, much poorer.

01:18:11.940 So then you end up with this scenario.

01:18:14.980 I'll take it to social media first.

01:18:19.060 Elon Musk, I'm a big fan.

01:18:20.560 He was recently presented with a conundrum.

01:18:24.580 Turkey said, ban these people or we ban your social media website.

01:18:29.860 And Elon said, well, that's not a choice at all.

01:18:32.380 Take down two people or a million, lose access to this communication platform.

01:18:36.640 What do you do?

01:18:37.960 Well, there's the utilitarian approach.

01:18:40.300 The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

01:18:42.360 So Elon did the only thing he thought he could do.

01:18:44.500 He didn't think he had a choice.

01:18:45.440 I don't blame him for it.

01:18:46.180 But it's the same mentality brought forth by all of those who engage in, ultimately, in

01:18:50.620 the end, what we would describe as evil acts.

01:18:52.400 I'm not saying Elon's evil or what he did was evil.

01:18:54.000 I'm saying it is a component that leads itself to how many grains of sand.

01:18:58.200 I'll bring it to Jack Conte of Patreon.

01:19:01.840 I had a conversation with him years ago when he banned several people.

01:19:05.800 And the gist of the conversation was, I have been told if I don't ban this one guy,

01:19:12.420 everyone loses their income.

01:19:13.840 What do I do?

01:19:14.500 My response was, call their bluff.

01:19:17.960 Tell them, I dare you to shut down the income of the most influential people in this country

01:19:23.860 all at once.

01:19:25.600 And when they all say, why is my money coming in?

01:19:27.720 I can tell them as CEO, guys, it is this financial service provider that took away your money.

01:19:33.880 Stand up.

01:19:34.960 But the concern is among the CEO is the utilitarian approach.

01:19:39.280 The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, which brings us to this political

01:19:42.740 circumstance.

01:19:43.160 People at the highest levels, not all evil, but I should say not all intentionally trying

01:19:51.340 to just hurt and cause suffering.

01:19:52.840 They think they're doing the most good.

01:19:54.880 They always do.

01:19:55.820 And so when presented with this scenario, if the Trump supporting America first nationalists

01:20:03.140 win, they will stop our wars.

01:20:05.920 They will stop the foreign enforcement.

01:20:07.760 The petrodollar will collapse and this country will fall.

01:20:10.320 So you choose, they say this, to these agents, to these government officials, you have the

01:20:16.560 choice.

01:20:17.480 We can sacrifice these six guys, just six guys, you know, and we can save 300 million.

01:20:25.120 Or if you want to have 300 million suffer because you were unwilling to do what needed to be done,

01:20:31.200 well, now you are the one at fault.

01:20:32.640 Well, I think this is the mentality they use to justify the things they do.

01:20:36.400 I happen to be more of a deontological thinker in terms of morality, which is you cannot take

01:20:42.080 an immoral act against an individual.

01:20:44.800 The idea that they would try to destroy your life and sacrifice you.

01:20:47.780 If we are to live in a society that does that, we're no better than the Soviet Union or any other

01:20:51.400 communist dictatorship.

01:20:52.400 Why should I fear the rise of a Chinese superpower that would suppress and depress its people when

01:20:59.400 our country does the exact same thing to maintain its power, its sphere of influence?

01:21:04.160 The only difference becomes which religion and which financial institution has control.

01:21:08.880 If we do not defend the rights of the individual, then there is no point in trying to preserve

01:21:14.340 the petrodollar or any kind of global order.

01:21:16.720 I could be wrong.

01:21:17.740 I could be naive thinking that there is this attempt at nobility among a lot of these people.

01:21:23.360 It could really just be careerism, mindless, zombie-like march towards the destruction of

01:21:28.320 people's lives for personal gain.

01:21:29.720 That's probably a large component of it.

01:21:31.520 I think it's both.

01:21:32.760 But I think at the higher levels, they're justifying everything they do, saying it's for

01:21:36.820 the greater good and they're utilitarians, which is funny because I brought this up before.

01:21:42.360 Utilitarianism is typically depicted in media as the evil, as the bad guys.

01:21:46.140 You know, we don't trade lives.

01:21:47.960 We don't sacrifice kids, things like that.

01:21:49.920 Now you're looking at people who are outright saying it's painful and it sucks, but we have

01:21:54.100 to do it.

01:21:54.860 And my attitude is like, no, we don't.

01:21:57.800 We really don't.

01:21:59.760 They say the ends justify the means.

01:22:02.100 They're hoping that the ends will be a more prosperous country, you know, American supremacy,

01:22:06.680 no world war, et cetera.

01:22:08.320 The only problem is we never meet the end.

01:22:10.660 There is no end.

01:22:11.700 We are constantly in this state of flux.

01:22:13.700 And if this country has decided it will sacrifice your life for the betterment of other people,

01:22:19.940 then we are the oppressive, tyrannical regime now.

01:22:25.140 Now, there's no end.

01:22:26.600 You've done it.

01:22:27.400 To these FBI agents, the ones who may think they're good guys, probably not the guy who

01:22:30.280 was beaten trying to murder his wife, probably just a bad guy.

01:22:32.960 But there are agents who think, you know, and they might cry themselves to sleep at night

01:22:36.980 saying, you know, I'm doing bad things, but I know it's for the greater good.

01:22:40.980 No, you're not.

01:22:41.320 You've literally just created the empire.

01:22:43.280 You have created the tyrannical regime that you think you're fighting against.

01:22:45.980 You are it.

01:22:47.040 It is now.

01:22:48.000 Right.

01:22:48.560 We're in it.

01:22:49.460 And I would say Jason Chambers, one of the agents that was handling this case, he was

01:22:55.600 trying to leave the FBI and retire.

01:22:58.480 And he was trying to launch his own private intelligence firm, a global intelligence firm

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01:23:04.200 And he was seeking like million dollar contracts to advise the government on cases of DT.

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01:23:16.460 Wow.

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01:23:28.660 He also was apparently using some woman he was paying as a CHS, as a confidential source

01:23:34.560 and informant.

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01:24:42.700 So I think that there's both, right?

01:24:45.580 I think some of them have their own reasons for doing things.

01:24:48.540 It's like money.

01:24:50.120 You know, he wanted to make a lot of money.

01:24:51.860 But I also think that some of these agents are young.

01:24:54.580 They're naive.

01:24:55.220 They don't know better.

01:24:56.020 And I think that a lot of the younger agents are trained now to see people in this way.

01:25:00.560 So a lot of the things from the global war on terror, it seems like they're moving that and shifting it to a domestic war on terror and taking all of those excesses, turning it inward now because those wars are kind of over for the most part.

01:25:12.780 So now it's like, do we really want to see things like extraordinary rendition, enhanced interrogation?

01:25:21.840 Like we want to see that happening to Americans.

01:25:23.500 You could argue it is a DC Gulag and things like that for the January Sixers.

01:25:28.760 Yep.

01:25:28.920 Yeah, and something with Jason Chambers as well, you know, with Exa Intel, these people are, they are filled with evil because if you look at the symbolism of his company, you know how they say like, you know, certain corporations and stuff, they have these occult symbols that represent their company or whatever.

01:25:49.900 And Jason Chambers and Jason Chambers company, Exa Intel had this, you know, very weird pyramid with an eye in the center and then had some Latin around it that essentially means like the devil knows, like the devil, you know, or the one who knows all, you know, it was like a Latin.

01:26:11.100 Like the all seeing eye.

01:26:12.180 Right, exactly.

01:26:12.740 Back of the dollar.

01:26:13.520 Right.

01:26:13.780 And it's like very evil.

01:26:15.760 And it's like, wait a second, you know, and this guy's trying to make millions of dollars.

01:26:20.220 You know, putting people in cages.

01:26:22.640 Yeah, I'm, we talk a lot about AI.

01:26:25.940 And I think we should all fear a world in which the individual is treated like a single cell in a multicellular organism.

01:26:35.240 It's an interesting thought.

01:26:36.700 We were talking about this, I think this was last week.

01:26:38.580 And with AI, with the centralization of powers, imagine a world in which when you're born, you're told your job is going to be a warehouse administrator.

01:26:50.980 You're three years old or whatever.

01:26:52.820 And you can never do anything else ever.

01:26:55.420 The AI has deemed it so.

01:26:57.040 The machine has deemed it so.

01:26:58.080 And if you deviate, they come and they just remove you like any cancer in the body.

01:27:03.620 You know, individual cells that are crawling all over the place, little bacteria or whatever, are independent individuals and they can live about their little bacteria lives.

01:27:11.540 Within our bodies is, what do we have, like billions, trillions of cells or whatever.

01:27:14.780 And they all have a specific function.

01:27:17.040 If they deviate from that function, they get destroyed.

01:27:19.780 You can understand why that makes it, why it's good for our bodies that we destroy cancerous cells that deviates are doing who knows what, making weird ass crap.

01:27:27.880 But think about what that means in the macro sense.

01:27:29.760 If a society starts treating people that way, your job is to be this.

01:27:33.540 That's it.

01:27:33.960 It's all you can ever be.

01:27:35.060 And if you deviate from it, we will destroy you.

01:27:37.220 I think that's where we're going.

01:27:39.140 That's what AI will create.

01:27:40.460 That's what our government is creating, whether they want to or not.

01:27:42.660 That's certainly what's happening.

01:27:43.740 And we're at the point now where you have your purpose and if you deviate, we destroy you.

01:27:48.000 You get minimal freedoms outside of that.

01:27:51.080 And, you know, look, in the long run, they say you'll be happy and you'll own nothing.

01:27:54.920 Yeah, you'll be happy, you know, nothing.

01:27:56.600 And I think it's crazy how fast these technological advances are happening.

01:28:00.920 It gives me nightmares to think about the kind of pre-crime society, because I think we're already moving into that, right?

01:28:08.440 There's not really like a lot of legal precedent about things like AI and how data analytics are used.

01:28:14.740 And, you know, we know there's companies like Cambridge Analytica and others, SEL, that have 5,000 to 8,000 unique data points on each voter.

01:28:23.820 They know more about you than you know about yourself.

01:28:26.080 And then they have the ability to kind of curate your news feed and nudge you.

01:28:30.000 We know that.

01:28:30.880 I think the – so are you familiar with the concept of singularity?

01:28:35.660 It's like the technological singularity.

01:28:37.140 Everything comes together and AI takes over and stuff like that.

01:28:39.440 But I think AI has the potential in a very short amount of time or potentially even now, because we don't know what military tech or black ops has been working on.

01:28:48.280 I think it can predict the past and the future.

01:28:51.080 And when I say the past is, Norm MacDonald had this really funny line where he was like, you know, I was reading about history and the good guys won every war.

01:28:58.260 What are the odds?

01:28:58.940 It's brilliant.

01:29:00.840 But when we look back at history, we can only take the word of the historians who wrote about it.

01:29:04.700 I think with AI, we can accurately map out all the time.

01:29:08.360 And I mean it.

01:29:10.060 With the future, it's – the further we move away from the present, it becomes more probabilistic in that 20% likelihood, 10% likelihood.

01:29:18.760 But I think it'll get more and more certain in that – you know, I was at the rock shop.

01:29:24.860 They have this mall out here where they sell rocks.

01:29:26.300 It's a really cool place.

01:29:26.920 And there's like this piece of a rock.

01:29:29.140 I don't remember what the rock was called.

01:29:30.480 And I said, imagine there is a jigsaw puzzle on a table and there's one piece missing from that puzzle.

01:29:37.200 We as humans can look at the puzzle, see the hole, and then go, oh, and put it right in that spot.

01:29:41.760 When we look at that rock, we see the rock.

01:29:45.500 It's been carved from a mountain or something.

01:29:48.100 We can't see the jigsaw puzzle.

01:29:49.440 It's too big.

01:29:50.000 But the AI can.

01:29:51.460 The AI has access to all of our data, all of our scientific instruments.

01:29:54.600 It knows exactly where that rock probably came from and where it fits in.

01:29:58.020 And then it can probably calculate over time how everything moved, where that rock came from a thousand years ago.

01:30:05.960 It's all being calculated.

01:30:08.060 So what I see with that, you mentioned pre-crime.

01:30:12.140 People need to understand that we're already there.

01:30:15.060 We are already at the point where it was a few years ago we talked about this.

01:30:18.860 Facebook knows when you poop.

01:30:20.440 It's a funny way to explain it.

01:30:21.920 People laugh when I say it, but they do.

01:30:23.920 Facebook can tell because of all the data they've tracked from all of you, from every single person, what you will do next.

01:30:31.240 So we don't notice these things because, like I mentioned, we can't see the full jigsaw puzzle.

01:30:36.320 But Facebook is tracking a billion people.

01:30:39.480 And what does it notice?

01:30:41.140 An anomaly in the data.

01:30:42.080 Every single human does this one weird thing 40 minutes before ordering lunch.

01:30:49.400 Or they find that 72% of the time, a person will walk a certain amount of distance before they order lunch.

01:30:58.140 Now they can predict whether or not you will order lunch and they can sell you an ad.

01:31:02.260 Now you do something that's seemingly innocuous like you go to the bathroom, right?

01:31:07.520 Or let's say this.

01:31:09.140 The simple way to explain it.

01:31:10.260 If you're sitting at your desk at work for an hour, then you get up and you move 10 meters and go back to your desk.

01:31:18.460 Instantly, the algorithm knows this correlates very heavily with an order for lunch.

01:31:23.480 And it could be very simple because if someone's sitting at their desk and they get up, they're probably going to order lunch or talk to a friend and ask them what they want.

01:31:29.700 That's obvious to us when explained.

01:31:31.580 But there could be something seemingly so nonsensical.

01:31:33.820 Like a person who checks their phone has a 17% chance of then drinking a glass of water.

01:31:40.780 And you're like, huh?

01:31:41.620 How does that?

01:31:41.960 Like, where does that come in?

01:31:43.140 But the AI can see the whole picture.

01:31:45.680 And if they can tell when you're going to go to the bathroom, they can tell when you're going to commit a crime.

01:31:50.160 Yeah.

01:31:50.460 That's where we're headed.

01:31:51.620 And then they can nudge you into doing it or they can try.

01:31:54.000 They can then, if they know what behaviors correlate with other behaviors, they can start nudging you.

01:32:00.440 So you could theoretically with the AI, with the algorithms, with social media, take someone who is, you know, like you, for instance, just some like working class dude.

01:32:08.020 And then within three months, have you actually involved in something more serious?

01:32:13.820 They can manipulate people into becoming and doing these things.

01:32:17.520 That's what I see as getting really, really scary.

01:32:19.460 It's not just pre-crime and predicting it.

01:32:21.260 It's controlling the whole thing.

01:32:22.880 I think that's where we're going.

01:32:24.740 What's going to get out of control?

01:32:25.860 And then we're going to be, we're going to, we could be in it right now and not even realize it.

01:32:30.080 Yeah, that's right.

01:32:31.720 You could be interacting with people that you think are your friends on Facebook and they could be undercover covert employees working for the FBI.

01:32:38.580 Or AI.

01:32:39.260 Or AI.

01:32:40.080 Right.

01:32:40.400 The feds might implement, why have actual people do it?

01:32:43.460 When you can have AI chatbots that just know exactly what needs to be said and when to make someone inch in a certain direction.

01:32:50.200 Yeah.

01:32:50.420 Yeah.

01:32:50.820 They can set up all the groups and add everyone and try to put them all together.

01:32:56.600 It's crazy.

01:32:57.260 Let's wind it back down now, I suppose.

01:32:58.900 What are you doing?

01:33:00.040 What's, what's next?

01:33:02.020 Well, I definitely want to find an attorney to, you know, get some justice for these guys, for these agents who tried to frame me.

01:33:13.000 Accountability.

01:33:14.240 Yeah.

01:33:15.460 Right now, you know, honestly, I'm still putting the pieces back together.

01:33:19.520 I mean, when they arrested me, they destroyed my entire life.

01:33:23.360 They destroyed my car.

01:33:25.060 Um, my apartment, you know, there's like a bunch of debt going on with that.

01:33:30.120 You know, the apartment wants to like sue me for the damages they did.

01:33:33.760 Um, cause you know, when they came in, they ripped everything open and busted everything up.

01:33:39.580 Um, you know, it's been very difficult to, uh, you know, find employment and, and, and maintain employment.

01:33:47.380 Um, there, a weird situation just happened with, with a really good job that I have when I tried to transfer, I think they didn't realize who I was until the transfer took place.

01:33:58.240 So they did like an okie dokie on me.

01:33:59.820 It was like, oh yeah, you can come down here and, and work at this facility.

01:34:03.340 And I go down there and then boom, they don't want me anymore.

01:34:06.840 So, you know, now I'm in a stuck position where I'm like driving and, and, and, and, you know, I'm, I'm getting by, I'm doing what I need to do, but it's very rough.

01:34:16.380 Cause a lot of times when you're putting in these applications, you know, and they run your background check.

01:34:21.080 Yeah.

01:34:21.180 I don't have a criminal history or whatever, but they can see like who I am.

01:34:24.880 And that makes it a lot more difficult to get quality employment, you know?

01:34:31.120 So that's kind of the, but you know, the great thing is I got all my guns back, everything that they took.

01:34:37.900 They were so mad about that.

01:34:39.580 They had three pages of stuff they seized from this man.

01:34:42.800 Oh yeah.

01:34:43.060 They took my food.

01:34:43.960 They took all my seeds, my water filtration stuff, everything.

01:34:47.660 And me and my attorney went back and, uh, met up with the agent that was attached to me.

01:34:52.840 They attach agents to everyone to monitor them online and everything.

01:34:56.480 And, uh, he had to give me all my stuff back and he was sick about it.

01:35:00.360 The only reason to be sick about it is if he was evil.

01:35:04.520 Right.

01:35:04.940 And he is very evil.

01:35:05.980 He lied on the stand against me.

01:35:07.560 They went all the way back in my, they, they brought up stuff in court of like conversations

01:35:13.580 I had with someone about the second amendment and what it means, you know?

01:35:17.680 And they just don't like the way I say things.

01:35:21.020 Cause I say a very plain and blunt and, uh, yeah.

01:35:26.040 So he, he, they just tried anything that they could to try to make me out to be a bad

01:35:30.460 guy.

01:35:30.680 And a jury said, you know what?

01:35:31.800 I think they said, I think they said, you know what?

01:35:34.300 I kind of agree with this guy, you know?

01:35:37.960 That gives me hope for, um, for Donald Trump.

01:35:40.380 I mean, you know, I've said, do you really think a New York jury is going to acquit Donald

01:35:44.720 Trump?

01:35:45.020 So it only takes, I think they only need like what one person.

01:35:48.140 Yeah.

01:35:48.460 And then, and then we get a mistrial.

01:35:49.780 Is that how it would work?

01:35:51.460 Miami?

01:35:51.960 I don't see it happening.

01:35:53.560 Like that, you know, if, so I think they're going to try and change venue, I guess it was

01:35:57.580 like randomly assigned or whatever.

01:35:59.660 And then he ends up with this judge that he appointed.

01:36:01.780 And so there's now the left is freaking out being like, how could there possibly be a

01:36:04.920 conviction?

01:36:06.700 They are sloppy.

01:36:07.980 You know what, you know what it feels like to me?

01:36:10.200 You got J Edgar Hoover, right?

01:36:11.520 You've got the, this sordid history of the FBI manipulations and all that stuff.

01:36:16.760 But these are guys who built this machine as dark as it may be.

01:36:21.660 And now we're on, you know, the third or fourth generation, you know, like they say that wealth

01:36:27.480 lasts three generations.

01:36:29.480 Somebody will start a business, make a bunch of money, be very successful.

01:36:34.680 Then their kids inherit it.

01:36:36.420 And then those kids, the business is stable.

01:36:39.480 Then their kids inherit it.

01:36:40.680 It starts getting worse and worse.

01:36:42.340 And then their kids inherit nothing because none of those people had the life lessons

01:36:46.740 required to maintain this, this machine.

01:36:49.500 I don't think that stops at just running a business.

01:36:52.180 I think that even matters for government.

01:36:54.880 Maybe why we have the straws house, a straws how generational theory.

01:36:58.020 Are you guys familiar with that?

01:36:58.700 The fourth turning?

01:36:59.760 No.

01:37:00.320 Every 80 years is a conflict in the United States.

01:37:03.540 80 years ago, we had World War II.

01:37:05.140 80s before that, we had the civil war.

01:37:06.200 80s before that, we had the revolution.

01:37:07.500 And so we're right now in what they call the fourth turning, which is supposed to be a period

01:37:12.100 of great to molten conflict.

01:37:13.920 And it may be because every three generations, you have a generation of people who don't know

01:37:18.700 the life lessons required.

01:37:19.740 And so there is this natural conflict process where those who are able to, you know, there's

01:37:26.860 a big fight and then someone takes over.

01:37:28.960 But with the FBI, I wonder if that's what we're doing.

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01:38:32.100 We're seeing these agents are the, you know, third or fourth generation.

01:38:38.340 They don't know how to maintain the system.

01:38:40.580 They don't know how to properly implement these plans or tactics.

01:38:44.360 It is like a copy of a copy of a copy.

01:38:46.640 It is just really being poorly done.

01:38:48.700 Yes.

01:38:49.180 I mean, look, the fact that they got the address wrong, like they wanted this great piece of

01:38:54.460 evidence that showed on camera, this car driving by, and they screwed up something as simple

01:38:58.460 as a single digit is remarkable.

01:39:01.240 Yeah.

01:39:01.580 Very incompetent.

01:39:02.720 And just the things they were saying to each, like, if you just read the text messages,

01:39:06.560 the agents and what they were saying to the informants, they claim that the informants

01:39:11.480 didn't know about each other.

01:39:12.880 Like one informant didn't know this person was an informant.

01:39:15.860 That's not true at all.

01:39:17.100 They're texting each other.

01:39:18.120 They're calling each other.

01:39:19.200 They're coordinating.

01:39:20.160 You can see that.

01:39:21.220 There's things like this that are so easy to verify just by looking at the discovery

01:39:25.900 that is publicly available, by the way.

01:39:27.800 There is still a lot of discovery under seal that has even crazier stuff in it.

01:39:32.340 But all you have to do is go and look.

01:39:34.640 What if this is the real psyop?

01:39:36.580 What if they're actually way better than we realize?

01:39:38.640 And the real goal was to destroy trust in the federal government.

01:39:41.840 Double psyop.

01:39:42.920 Oh, my God.

01:39:43.800 Yeah, look how discredited the FBI is now.

01:39:47.340 I don't think it's that.

01:39:48.180 As an organization.

01:39:49.300 No, yeah, I don't think so.

01:39:49.900 I think it's probably more of like a generational collapse.

01:39:53.040 Yeah, like you said, the incompetence and sort of like I always said, everything at the

01:39:56.400 government is like the DMV.

01:39:58.500 Think about your experience at a DMV and how competent and thorough that is.

01:40:03.580 I bet when they first started, it was probably great.

01:40:05.640 Exactly.

01:40:06.240 Yeah, it was very simple, very quick.

01:40:08.100 You know, the thing I see with the legal system, I'll tell you guys a story.

01:40:10.940 When I was, how old was I?

01:40:13.300 I had to be 20 or 19.

01:40:15.680 I don't know.

01:40:16.340 I was driving my car on my way to work when all of a sudden I get these lights behind me.

01:40:23.900 Bright, full on within a foot of my bumper.

01:40:26.940 I'm not speeding.

01:40:28.260 And so I'm like, this guy's tailgating.

01:40:30.860 He's going to hit me.

01:40:31.820 So I hit my signal, give it a little gas to get some distance and then start getting out of

01:40:36.900 the left lane.

01:40:38.000 Car follows.

01:40:39.400 Lights turn on.

01:40:40.720 Cop.

01:40:41.540 And I'm like, okay.

01:40:42.600 Pulls me over.

01:40:43.820 And then I said, is there a problem?

01:40:45.700 He goes, you're speeding.

01:40:46.640 And I was like, no, I wasn't.

01:40:49.400 And he goes, yeah, you did.

01:40:50.180 I was behind you.

01:40:50.720 And then all of a sudden you started picking up speed.

01:40:52.040 And I was like, well, you almost hit me and I'm trying to move out of your way.

01:40:54.980 And he goes, shouldn't speed in front of a cop.

01:40:56.640 And then he throws me a ticket.

01:40:57.560 Oh my God.

01:40:58.660 Right.

01:40:59.780 So one day I'm driving down Lakeshore Drive in Chicago.

01:41:03.280 This is several months later.

01:41:04.920 I paid the ticket.

01:41:05.580 I was like, whatever, I don't have time for this.

01:41:07.220 This is stupid.

01:41:07.640 It's $35 or something.

01:41:08.300 I'm driving down Lakeshore Drive in Chicago.

01:41:10.920 And it's 45 miles an hour speed limit.

01:41:13.460 I am exiting at Belmont Avenue.

01:41:15.040 So I am slowing down.

01:41:16.680 As I'm exiting, I get pulled over.

01:41:18.400 And the cop walks up and, you know, dome light on, engine off, keys on the dash, everything's off, hands on the wheel.

01:41:26.640 As a firefighter, you know, I was given the talk when I was a kid about how you're supposed to properly act.

01:41:31.280 And the cop walks up and I said, howdy, officer, is there a problem?

01:41:34.200 And he goes, he's like, yes, sir, you were speeding.

01:41:36.440 And I said, no, officer, I wasn't.

01:41:39.300 And he goes, yeah, you work like you're going 65 in a 45.

01:41:42.460 And I was like, I'm exiting at Belmont.

01:41:45.540 I have to slow down.

01:41:47.020 How was I speeding?

01:41:47.900 And he goes, tell to a judge.

01:41:49.320 And then he writes it up.

01:41:50.780 You know, he took my license and insurance and he hands me things, sign it.

01:41:53.960 And I said, but I wasn't speeding.

01:41:55.920 And he says, this is not acknowledgement of guilt.

01:41:57.480 It's acknowledgement of receipt.

01:41:58.500 Sign it or you're under arrest.

01:41:59.800 And I was like, okay.

01:42:01.240 So I sign it.

01:42:02.300 And then he, and then I was like, I don't understand that.

01:42:05.480 I wasn't speeding.

01:42:06.060 He said, tell it to a judge, hands me the ticket and he leaves.

01:42:09.360 So I'm like, they take your license and you do this.

01:42:11.880 And now your ticket becomes your license or whatever.

01:42:15.020 So what ends up happening is a month or so later, something give like three months to respond.

01:42:21.380 I, my sister, she lives in Colorado Springs on Fort Carson.

01:42:26.240 Her husband was overseas.

01:42:27.500 She's, she's a little distraught about it.

01:42:29.740 You know, her husband's in conflict.

01:42:31.940 And so I was like, I'll come visit and we'll hang out while I'm there.

01:42:35.180 I'm like, you know, I never paid this ticket and I can't go to court over it because I'm

01:42:39.340 in Colorado and it's 50 bucks.

01:42:41.700 Like, I don't have time to deal with this.

01:42:43.140 And so my sister being very nice said, I'll just pay it for you.

01:42:45.280 And I was like, okay, cool.

01:42:46.940 That's an admission of guilt.

01:42:48.460 Two moving violations under the age of 21 that suspend your license.

01:42:51.600 I did not know that.

01:42:52.900 I didn't do anything wrong, but what's reasonable taking time off work and life

01:42:57.440 to go to court because a cop lied about you.

01:43:00.480 So when I returned back to Chicago, I'm in the suburbs.

01:43:04.920 I'm in Glen Ellen and I see lights behind me, headlights tailgating.

01:43:10.720 Once again, I had just gotten back.

01:43:12.960 Literally, I had literally just entered the state.

01:43:15.540 I had not yet gotten home or, you know, where I was going.

01:43:18.840 I had been out in Colorado Springs for like a month.

01:43:21.320 And the car then puts a signal on, goes past me, drives up, speeds off.

01:43:26.280 As I'm coming up over this hill, I see it was a police car and it's in the left turn

01:43:29.800 lane.

01:43:30.020 And I thought to myself, he's far down the road.

01:43:33.440 I can just turn right, get off the road, get out of my car, turn the lights off, walk

01:43:37.300 away right now and not play any stupid games because I do not trust these people.

01:43:40.740 And I'm like, I'm paranoid.

01:43:43.060 So I just keep going.

01:43:44.280 As soon as I pass him, he turns around, flicks the lights on, pulls me over.

01:43:47.540 So it's an illegal stop.

01:43:50.800 He walks up to the car and he goes, Timothy Poole.

01:43:52.900 And I go, yes.

01:43:53.440 And he goes, you're under arrest.

01:43:54.200 You're having a suspended license out of the vehicle.

01:43:55.680 And I was like, what?

01:43:57.400 And so I get out.

01:43:58.760 He wasn't legally allowed to stop me.

01:44:00.840 He ran my plates because the car came back as owned by me who had a suspended license.

01:44:04.920 He pulled me over, which is an illegal stop.

01:44:07.960 And he said, we're going to I bond you.

01:44:09.580 Can someone come pick you up?

01:44:11.160 And I was like, what's my license suspended for?

01:44:12.760 He goes, don't know, don't care.

01:44:14.500 So my mom came and picked me up.

01:44:15.940 I was like 19 or whatever.

01:44:17.360 What ends up happening is I go to court and they have me meet with the prosecutor.

01:44:24.920 And he says, how are you?

01:44:26.620 How are you going to deal with this?

01:44:28.140 And I told him, I was like, well, I don't think I did anything wrong.

01:44:31.200 And he goes, well, you've been accused of driving a suspended license.

01:44:33.560 And I was like, yeah, but I was out of state.

01:44:35.840 I just gotten back.

01:44:37.260 Like, I didn't get any notification.

01:44:39.160 I was visiting my sister.

01:44:40.780 Her husband's in Iraq right now.

01:44:42.220 And she called me and he goes, so you've just admitted guilt to the prosecution.

01:44:45.100 We can take your guilty plea now as you've admitted it.

01:44:48.440 And I was like, huh?

01:44:49.640 And he goes, I'll tell you what you plead guilty.

01:44:51.680 $150 fine.

01:44:53.680 And we what did he say?

01:44:55.220 Court supervision.

01:44:55.760 And you're done.

01:44:56.760 Otherwise, it's one year in jail and a $2,500 fine.

01:45:00.440 And I was like, OK.

01:45:03.080 So then I walk up to the judge, like next up, you know, Mr. Poole and the prosecutor staying

01:45:06.560 off the side.

01:45:07.740 And he said, my understanding is you're pleading guilty.

01:45:11.860 And I was like, yes, your honor.

01:45:13.460 And he says, OK.

01:45:14.760 And then he does that thing where he goes, have you in any way been coerced or otherwise,

01:45:18.640 you know, made to give us this plea today?

01:45:20.900 And I said, yes, your honor.

01:45:22.060 And he goes, excuse me?

01:45:24.220 And I was like, I'm sorry.

01:45:25.720 And he goes, someone coerced you into pleading guilty?

01:45:28.140 I said, yes, your honor.

01:45:29.200 And he goes, who?

01:45:30.220 That man over there, sir.

01:45:31.440 I was like, what?

01:45:32.400 And I was like, he told me I'd go to jail for a year if I didn't just say I was guilty.

01:45:34.980 And he goes, get a lawyer and come back.

01:45:38.420 And so they put a continuance in.

01:45:42.380 I went back home and I was like, he did coerce me.

01:45:46.940 He threatened me with a year in jail.

01:45:48.760 He said it was a class A misdemeanor and I'd have spent thousands of dollars and go to

01:45:51.740 jail for a year unless I just said I was guilty.

01:45:54.760 And I was like, I don't think I did anything wrong.

01:45:56.160 I was like, if they told me my license is suspended, I would have been like, okay.

01:46:00.040 But first of all, I wasn't speeding in the first place.

01:46:02.440 So I called a lawyer.

01:46:03.600 Lawyer said, the amount of money you're going to spend isn't worth it.

01:46:05.720 Just plead guilty and pay the 150 bucks.

01:46:07.920 So that's what I ended up doing.

01:46:09.820 And how is it that we have a legal system that functions this way?

01:46:14.180 I am just some dude who was working for an airline.

01:46:16.400 I did not speed in those two circumstances.

01:46:20.020 Those cops lied.

01:46:22.300 But I did not have the finance, the legal capabilities to defend myself against these police officers

01:46:29.280 who are lying.

01:46:30.500 So the only thing I could do was just pay the fine.

01:46:32.900 And then they suspend my license for it.

01:46:34.500 I didn't drive for like two years after that.

01:46:36.680 And then they threatened me with a year in jail because I was came back.

01:46:40.520 And as soon as I paid the ticket, they suspended my license.

01:46:43.100 And I had no idea.

01:46:44.200 I would have just not paid the ticket.

01:46:45.920 I would have just put not guilty.

01:46:47.000 I'll see you in court.

01:46:47.800 But they don't tell you these things.

01:46:49.780 And then the judge basically allows this stuff to happen.

01:46:54.360 That's right.

01:46:55.100 I see this whole legal system as being completely callous, psychotic and broken.

01:46:59.680 Illegitimate, broken, 100% at their trial.

01:47:03.680 Judge Yonker, he did a bogus hearsay rule where he basically said everything that they

01:47:11.140 said that was exculpatory, that was picked up, we couldn't show it to the jury.

01:47:15.840 They weren't allowed to hear about the misconduct of the three lead handling agents in their

01:47:21.140 case.

01:47:21.700 There was a lot of stuff they just wouldn't let the defense bring in.

01:47:25.460 The judge mocked your lawyers and said, like, oh, quit wasting people's time with this crap

01:47:30.360 line of questioning.

01:47:31.480 He never did that to the prosecutors.

01:47:34.140 Yeah, he put a time limit on the defense as well.

01:47:37.220 In the second trial, he said, oh, okay, prosecution, there's two key witnesses about to come up.

01:47:43.420 He tells the defense, you guys only have 25 minutes to cross-examine this witness, but

01:47:48.900 the prosecution can go as long as they want.

01:47:51.240 Wow.

01:47:51.640 And it's like, it's set up, once the first trial happened and we won, two people were

01:47:59.540 acquitted.

01:48:00.920 Mistrial on the other two.

01:48:02.240 Yeah, and the mistrial on the other two.

01:48:03.600 So they have the second trial, they're like, yo, we really got to like, this can't happen

01:48:07.380 again.

01:48:07.980 We really got to set this up.

01:48:09.560 We got to get the right jury.

01:48:11.020 We messed up on the jury before that.

01:48:14.100 We got to get the right jury.

01:48:15.500 We got to stack the deck against these guys because these guys are making us look bad.

01:48:20.920 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:48:23.480 And they were able to do that.

01:48:25.380 There was an issue with one of the jurors where he allegedly said, as soon as he received

01:48:31.120 the jury summons, he told people at work, oh, I hope I get on the jury for the Whitmer

01:48:36.800 kidnapping case so I can H-A-N-G those guys.

01:48:40.820 Wow.

01:48:41.160 So that was reported, their defense lawyers reported that there was a little meeting.

01:48:49.680 No, no.

01:48:50.160 So I talked to my attorney, Mike Hills, about that and because what happened is they found

01:48:55.540 out that that juror said that and then what happened is the judge took him back into his

01:48:59.600 chambers with no other attorneys, just him and that guy and then no recording and walked

01:49:06.880 out and said, yeah, he said he didn't say it.

01:49:09.700 So yeah, we're good.

01:49:11.400 And my attorneys, I'm like, that doesn't seem right.

01:49:14.340 My attorney's like, I've never seen that happen where a judge takes a juror back into his

01:49:21.400 chambers alone and doesn't record anything at all and then bring him back out.

01:49:27.300 Like everything's fine.

01:49:28.220 He said, usually we all go in there, the prosecution, the attorney with the judge and the juror and

01:49:33.980 talk and record of about what's going on.

01:49:36.400 But there's obviously doing secretive stuff.

01:49:38.720 I don't think people realize where we're at in this country.

01:49:40.680 No, I had a legal issue and I was talking to a lawyer about a copyright lawsuit and he

01:49:46.540 said, do you want to win?

01:49:48.360 Pick your jurisdiction.

01:49:49.780 If you take this to an urban liberal district, you'll lose.

01:49:53.600 You take it to a conservative district, you'll win.

01:49:55.660 And I'm just like, well, that's insane.

01:49:57.540 Yeah.

01:49:57.780 How can that be?

01:49:58.740 Well, because this country is so hyper polarized that first of all, based on who I am, they're

01:50:06.420 going to just immediately say, screw you, we'll destroy you.

01:50:09.600 So that's not a jury of your peers anymore.

01:50:12.180 The way Stephen Marsh describes it, and he's very much on the liberal side.

01:50:17.900 He said there's a multicultural democracy emerging within a constitutional republic and

01:50:22.520 they both can't occupy the same space.

01:50:24.560 He said that he aligns with the multicultural democracy.

01:50:27.220 My response was, so you're seeking to supplant our constitutional republic, which is the

01:50:34.060 foundation of this nation.

01:50:35.400 That's where we're at.

01:50:36.580 So if you are in D.C., if you're in an urban liberal district, you are looking at people

01:50:40.840 who are not your peers.

01:50:41.860 You're looking at people who live in an entirely different world with a different moral framework

01:50:44.820 who want to destroy you.

01:50:47.200 And I'm honestly surprised they acquitted you.

01:50:50.380 It's surprising, but I guess they did such a bad job of trying to frame you that the jurors

01:50:54.900 had no choice.

01:50:55.620 Yeah, even with the way they controlled that courtroom and prevented the jury from seeing

01:51:00.440 so much evidence, they still, what they saw was enough for them to be like, no, I don't

01:51:05.400 think I'm going to convict any of these guys, not even Adam and Barry.

01:51:08.740 Then they had the mistrial and the retrial and that was even worse.

01:51:13.820 What was it?

01:51:14.220 In the retrial, more evidence was restricted or something like that?

01:51:16.680 Yeah, even more was restricted.

01:51:18.020 That's right.

01:51:18.460 They basically control everything.

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01:52:39.780 So you had lots of people that attended these FTXs that saw everything that was going on

01:52:44.180 but weren't charged or anything.

01:52:45.980 They wanted to testify and tell their story.

01:52:48.120 Every single person was threatened by the prosecutors on the stand.

01:52:51.780 The media saw it.

01:52:53.580 Nobody did anything.

01:52:54.560 And how they did that was they didn't have the jury watch this occur.

01:53:00.780 What they did was the judge was essentially like, oh, okay, so the defense has like 15

01:53:06.100 people that might want to testify on their behalf.

01:53:09.880 Okay.

01:53:10.280 We'll send the jury back in the jury room.

01:53:13.060 All right, bring this person out.

01:53:15.480 Okay.

01:53:16.020 Blah, blah, blah.

01:53:16.580 Then they talk.

01:53:17.340 And then, you know, the judge goes, prosecution, what do you want to do?

01:53:20.620 It's like, well, this person's facing 15 counts of providing material support for terrorism,

01:53:26.040 terrorist threats, and all of this stuff.

01:53:28.140 And it's like just a woman who was there with her husband and their child.

01:53:33.100 They were accusing the woman of-

01:53:35.180 Yeah, like if she testifies-

01:53:37.220 They could charge her with that.

01:53:39.080 Right.

01:53:39.500 We could charge her.

01:53:40.540 So essentially, they coerced and threatened every single person who was trying to testify

01:53:44.780 on behalf of the defense.

01:53:46.060 We just need to weed out cowardice in our culture.

01:53:51.240 We need to teach bravery.

01:53:52.540 Yeah.

01:53:52.820 And I was explaining this on IRL.

01:53:56.480 Cowardice is simply when faced with your fears and a necessity to act, you refuse.

01:54:03.140 And bravery is when faced with your fears and a necessity to act, you act.

01:54:08.120 So a lot of people get offended at being called cowards.

01:54:11.620 And I say, that's on you.

01:54:14.820 If you are faced with true adversity, but you must act for the betterment of the world

01:54:21.100 and you refuse, if you're facing your fears and you refuse, that is what cowardice is.

01:54:26.720 Now, if you take offense to that, I don't care.

01:54:29.700 I did not make you a coward.

01:54:31.060 You did.

01:54:32.140 If you are brave and you are-

01:54:34.420 And I don't care how you feel.

01:54:36.400 You choose.

01:54:38.140 And there are people who are faced with these circumstances where they say,

01:54:42.000 I'm not going to plead guilty to this.

01:54:44.080 And there's a guy, I think his name is John Strand.

01:54:48.360 Are you familiar?

01:54:48.980 Yeah.

01:54:49.360 The January 6th guy.

01:54:50.420 Yeah, he was providing security to Simone Gold, I believe, the doctor.

01:54:55.480 And they accuse him of all these insane things.

01:54:58.100 And he refuses a deal.

01:54:59.700 But the people who took deals, they get slapped.

01:55:01.160 They get a slap on the wrist.

01:55:02.260 The people who don't, they get made examples of.

01:55:04.180 So he's going to jail for several years.

01:55:05.480 But you know what?

01:55:05.760 That's bravery.

01:55:07.000 He knows.

01:55:08.220 The problem is the cowards destroy the fabric.

01:55:11.600 You know, the cowards allow the evil to persist.

01:55:14.040 There's the famous quote.

01:55:16.660 The way I phrase it is, it's not that evil exists.

01:55:18.860 That's the problem.

01:55:19.400 The problem is that good people do nothing.

01:55:21.820 And the actual quote is, all that is required for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.

01:55:26.480 And this is what I see.

01:55:27.180 If we had a culture of people who are steadfast and honorable, the feds would have gone to these guys and said, plead guilty.

01:55:35.780 And they would have said, no.

01:55:36.780 And they would have said, we will lock you up for the rest of your life.

01:55:38.980 And they could laugh and say, good luck.

01:55:41.960 Because that's what I do.

01:55:42.680 If they came to me and say, we want you to testify this way, I'll be like, I'll do the opposite.

01:55:48.180 Whatever you try to force me to do, I will do the opposite.

01:55:50.800 So you can stop wasting your time.

01:55:52.160 You can carry on and go bother somebody else.

01:55:53.700 But it ain't coming from me.

01:55:55.100 Too many people, however, are just like, I will do anything you say.

01:55:57.740 I don't know what they see in life.

01:56:00.780 Like, I don't understand what the purpose of being here is, is if you are someone who would just drop to your knees at a moment's notice.

01:56:05.660 Are you not here for the betterment of the world, for the betterment of those around you, for your families, for your friends?

01:56:11.600 I genuinely can't wrap my head around this.

01:56:14.180 This thought that I don't know if there exists anything in this world that would give me satisfaction to the point where I would sacrifice other people to obtain that.

01:56:24.360 It doesn't make sense.

01:56:26.120 Maybe this is the difference.

01:56:27.740 People who are more satisfied with the success and achievements of others than their own is the difference.

01:56:33.680 Is it really worth selling out this country, your state, your friends, your family, so that you can go home and have a slice of pizza?

01:56:41.620 I don't know.

01:56:42.580 Yeah, that's one thing that amazed me about, you know, people like Ty Garbin and Caleb Franks is that, you know, we're training and we're doing this stuff and these guys are pretty good.

01:56:53.140 And they're put in this situation and I'm thinking about all the stuff that they said while we were training.

01:57:01.020 Yeah, I wouldn't do this.

01:57:02.480 Yeah, you know, I'd defend myself with that or whatever, all this big talk, you know.

01:57:07.540 And then once the state really comes down on them, they're like, oh, no, you know, it's like, yeah, bro.

01:57:14.260 I thought you said this, dude.

01:57:15.680 What are you talking about, man?

01:57:17.000 All barking.

01:57:17.620 No bike.

01:57:18.220 Right.

01:57:18.820 Oh, my gosh.

01:57:19.760 It was.

01:57:20.300 Yeah.

01:57:21.040 Yeah.

01:57:21.360 You know, I've not dealt with anything like serious solitary confinement.

01:57:25.040 Do they do anything like that to you when you were locked up?

01:57:26.780 Uh, yeah, first for some weeks because of, you know, the COVID situation, but I stayed, I did not see the sunlight for 18 months.

01:57:33.880 I stayed in one unit that was.

01:57:36.960 You never went outside?

01:57:37.880 No, never once.

01:57:39.340 Um, it was about as big as the studio, but there's like maybe, maybe smaller, a little bit smaller.

01:57:44.600 Um, but there's like 15 people in there.

01:57:47.540 Wow.

01:57:48.000 So you're cramped up in there like sardines.

01:57:50.060 The whole time?

01:57:50.700 The whole time.

01:57:51.380 There's one room the whole time for 18 months and then one of the, uh, months, uh, during, during the trial.

01:57:59.980 But, you know, people are laying on the floor.

01:58:02.280 You got one bathroom, one sink, one shower, 15 people in there.

01:58:06.540 Uh, it's, it's, it's pretty gnarly, dude.

01:58:08.740 It's that doing that time does something to you psychologically, especially when, you know, you didn't do anything wrong.

01:58:17.080 I would have been able to accept it a lot easier if I actually did something, but like, okay, this, you know, suffer the consequences of my actions, man, you know, but being in there innocent and dealing with all of that psychologically was, uh, very, very strenuous.

01:58:31.040 Were there like tables and chairs?

01:58:32.640 Yeah, there was, there was one long picnic table in there.

01:58:35.340 That was it.

01:58:35.840 What do you sleep on?

01:58:37.220 Uh, they had metal bunks or they had like these things that would you, they would call them boats.

01:58:41.840 And it's just like a polymer bed off the ground that you just kind of throw on the ground and put your mat on it.

01:58:48.380 So what do you, what do you do?

01:58:49.500 How do you occupy your time?

01:58:50.940 Um, cards, poker, paid a lot of poker.

01:58:54.260 What do you gamble with?

01:58:55.060 What do you bet?

01:58:55.800 So commissary, you gamble commissary.

01:58:58.720 And what you use for chips is you take card decks and you fold them up and, and put them in little squares.

01:59:04.960 So when you're counting your chips, you're just, you know what I'm saying?

01:59:07.480 Counting the pieces of cards that you have.

01:59:09.320 And so like bet 10, you pull out 10, you know, bet 20, whatever.

01:59:13.300 And, uh, you know, I mean,

01:59:15.200 Did the other guys in there know that you were innocent or did they just believe everybody says they're innocent?

01:59:18.740 Well, yeah, they, they knew I was innocent.

01:59:21.620 They were like, yeah, that seems like bullshit, you know, but a lot of the, a lot of the brothers in there, you know, we're, we're bullshitting.

01:59:27.260 And they're like, man, I fuck with you, B, you know, big terror, you know, I'm like, bro, it's not real.

01:59:33.260 They're like, I don't care, bro.

01:59:34.280 I fuck with you.

01:59:36.800 That's crazy to think.

01:59:37.860 So, but, but you, but you weren't alone.

01:59:39.700 Were you alone at any point?

01:59:40.600 Like it's like solitary?

01:59:41.760 No, no, I wasn't alone.

01:59:43.340 And which I would almost maybe prefer that at times.

01:59:47.640 Yeah.

01:59:47.860 Because some of the shit that goes on in there, you're never alone at all.

01:59:52.900 You never have privacy.

01:59:54.580 Like even when you're taking a dump.

01:59:55.480 Right.

01:59:56.740 You're taking a dump in the open, like in the corner right there.

02:00:00.060 And like, there's no curtains or whatever.

02:00:01.480 It's like, you just got to walk over.

02:00:02.300 I mean, you, sometimes the guards will come in and take it all down.

02:00:06.080 You know what I'm saying?

02:00:06.860 But we have to essentially, someone's got to sacrifice their sheet or we got to put two

02:00:11.320 sheets together and take some soap and get it wet, crush it up, and then stick the sheet

02:00:17.740 up against the wall to make a little curtain, take a pen, wrap it around there, a pencil

02:00:22.440 or something and hang it off the shower.

02:00:24.300 You got to figure it out.

02:00:25.500 Wow.

02:00:26.000 You know, it's crazy that, that we, that I don't, I don't see this as some, I don't see

02:00:30.540 how it functions this way.

02:00:32.240 Ben Franklin said, it is better that 100 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.

02:00:37.560 And that of course came from Blackstone's formulation.

02:00:39.520 It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.

02:00:42.340 The reason Ben Franklin said this was the general idea.

02:00:46.580 If you have a society where it's civilians believe that even if they are just and moral,

02:00:52.640 they will still be punished by the state, then they have no reason to be just and moral

02:00:56.900 and incentivizes crime and the destruction of the society.

02:01:00.460 Therefore, we must prioritize the innocent over the guilty at all costs, even if it means

02:01:04.160 a hundred guilty people go free.

02:01:06.220 And so I look at places like New York.

02:01:07.600 I know a lot of conservatives don't like, uh, they've gotten rid of cash bail.

02:01:11.120 I completely agree with getting rid of cash bail.

02:01:12.840 I don't agree with just letting career criminals go, obviously have to stop them.

02:01:16.960 But the idea that they use the process as the punishment that arrested, like the

02:01:22.420 fact, when they arrested you, you're innocent.

02:01:25.780 That's what this country is founded on.

02:01:27.480 My argument is they should give you a standard hotel room.

02:01:31.820 You can't leave because you've been accused of a very serious crime, but you've not been

02:01:35.380 proven to have done it.

02:01:36.560 You should have a computer with access to the internet.

02:01:38.480 You should have a phone.

02:01:39.480 You should have a bed, a TV, and they should bring you standard meals, good quality ones

02:01:43.740 because you're innocent.

02:01:45.420 The compromise we make is you are being remanded to custody because of the preponderance of evidence.

02:01:50.340 Yes, we've not proven you'd done anything wrong, so we're going to make sure your standard

02:01:53.320 of life doesn't change.

02:01:54.560 You can still work.

02:01:55.820 Granted, you're not going to be able to do the hands-on jobs, but you'll still have access

02:01:58.080 to the internet.

02:01:59.020 We're going to cover the costs as we've decided we're holding you.

02:02:01.720 That way, when ultimately you're found to have to be not guilty, you simply leave what

02:02:07.100 is a hotel room.

02:02:08.620 It is very disruptive to anyone's life.

02:02:10.660 You lose your car, maybe you can't pay your bills, but that's at least the compromise.

02:02:15.460 Instead, what do they do?

02:02:16.140 You, a guy who is innocent and actually found not guilty by a jury of your peers, actually,

02:02:21.880 I'd argue maybe not even your peers.

02:02:23.200 These are seemingly people who had, some of them had a serious reason to just want to

02:02:28.140 lock you up.

02:02:28.960 But what do they do?

02:02:29.600 They put you in a room.

02:02:30.700 They put you on a cot.

02:02:32.240 They make you go through these trials and tribulations.

02:02:34.840 They punish you for a year and a half, having done nothing wrong.

02:02:38.500 I don't see how a system can function this way.

02:02:40.920 It's unsustainable.

02:02:42.060 I think that that's obvious.

02:02:43.940 I would say as bad as New Ego County is where you guys were at, where Adam and Barry are

02:02:49.720 at right now is even worse.

02:02:51.360 So I started filming with Adam and Barry for my documentary, interviewing them while they

02:02:56.380 were at New Ego County, just prior to their sentencing, but after their convictions.

02:03:02.300 And I interviewed both of them extensively.

02:03:04.740 I got a statement from Barry for the weaponization committee in case I could get it to them.

02:03:09.620 What would you want to say to them to investigate the FBI in your case?

02:03:13.600 And I asked Adam to write one, too.

02:03:16.660 The next day after that, Adam was moved to Florence Supermax and Barry was sent to Terre

02:03:23.380 Haute Supermax.

02:03:24.700 Now, Adam is on track to go to ADX, which is supposed to be more like the Lomax section of

02:03:30.880 this secretive Supermax prison facility.

02:03:33.800 But it's incredibly insane.

02:03:37.020 And Barry is going to be moved to a CMU communications management unit of the Supermax prison, where

02:03:43.420 they're going to prevent him basically from being able to communicate with anybody.

02:03:47.460 Now, these prisons were set up after 9-11 to house like Al Qaeda terrorists or ISIS people.

02:03:52.780 And they have rules like you have to if you're going to be on the phone, you have to be speaking

02:03:56.880 English and stuff like that.

02:03:58.260 But what they were for, the communications management unit, was basically to prevent a

02:04:02.180 terrorist from interacting with an international criminal network and basically still conducting

02:04:07.280 carrying out acts of terrorism.

02:04:09.000 Or a gang leader, somebody like El Chapo, who is, you know, at the Florence Supermax facility.

02:04:14.520 Somebody like him, who's got like an international network, a gang leader.

02:04:18.680 They don't want him to be shot callers from prison.

02:04:20.680 So they would put him in a communications management unit.

02:04:23.540 Barry, the 45-year-old trucker from Delaware with three daughters.

02:04:27.200 Like he doesn't need to be in a CMU in Terre Haute Supermax.

02:04:31.620 There is no national security concern for him talking to his elderly mother on the phone

02:04:37.220 and his three daughters and his fiancee.

02:04:41.260 Evil, evil.

02:04:43.480 I hope that I hope Trump gets reelected and I hope he just starts pardoning tons of people.

02:04:49.360 You know, I was saying in 2020, he should announce a blanket pardon for non-plea deal, non-violent drug offenses.

02:04:59.680 So like at the federal level, anybody who was caught selling something like marijuana, but they didn't plead down from violent charges.

02:05:06.580 So there have to be a review.

02:05:07.580 He should just pardon them and be like, we got to get people out of the system.

02:05:11.120 The system is busted.

02:05:11.980 We got to.

02:05:12.340 First of all, it's expensive.

02:05:13.320 We should not be spending so much money maintaining these things.

02:05:16.580 We should get non-violent defenders out, especially on something like marijuana, which is recreationally legalized all over the place now.

02:05:23.260 I think we're moving beyond that.

02:05:24.500 And some states I can praise, they have done this.

02:05:26.700 They have started to offer amnesty to individuals for non-violent offenses.

02:05:30.200 Yeah.

02:05:30.680 But I hope he commutes and acquits these guys.

02:05:33.140 I think most, even in the press, they have to acknowledge this stuff, that it's all bunk.

02:05:40.080 It's all manufactured.

02:05:41.340 This should not be the way things are going.

02:05:44.080 Ian likes to bring up the, I forgot what it's called.

02:05:47.560 After the Revolutionary War, I think it was in Massachusetts.

02:05:51.820 I don't know if you guys are familiar with what this was.

02:05:53.160 There was another rebellion took place among soldiers who were not paid.

02:05:58.060 And then they all end up getting arrested.

02:05:59.940 And then I think it was John Hancock.

02:06:01.300 I'm not sure.

02:06:01.980 Ian knows better.

02:06:02.480 He always brings it up.

02:06:03.340 Who said, pardon all of them.

02:06:04.900 Pardon them all.

02:06:05.260 Because if we start this country off by taking these people who are angry and just locking them up, we will collapse.

02:06:14.100 Absolutely.

02:06:15.260 Very wise.

02:06:16.740 Yeah.

02:06:17.360 And a difficult decision to make.

02:06:19.000 People who fought against you who are, you know.

02:06:21.700 But you've got to recognize sometimes retreat is the appropriate move.

02:06:26.380 That's why I truly believe.

02:06:27.360 I mean, it feels like these people want the country to collapse.

02:06:30.940 Or they're just unwell in the head.

02:06:34.880 I think it's both.

02:06:36.140 Yeah.

02:06:36.920 Yeah.

02:06:37.320 I mean, the story of that guy and his wife.

02:06:39.540 I mean, that's crazy.

02:06:41.120 And these are the people in law enforcement.

02:06:43.040 And you know what happens is people like that hire more people like that.

02:06:46.800 Exactly.

02:06:47.280 That's right.

02:06:47.820 Is that how they go out and they celebrate these cases?

02:06:50.100 They take their wives to weird swingers parties and, you know, get intoxicated and then beat people.

02:06:55.960 It's disgusting.

02:06:57.600 Well, this has been crazy.

02:07:00.420 I'm glad at least you were able to stand up and you were found not guilty and you're here free.

02:07:04.960 But I know there's others who are still locked up unjustly.

02:07:08.300 And I have, you know, concerns that they still do things like this.

02:07:12.720 But is there any final thoughts you wanted to have before we wrap up?

02:07:15.680 Yeah.

02:07:15.860 I would also say there are still unindicted co-conspirators.

02:07:19.360 So there are still people today that I've been trying to interview for my documentary and talk to you that are terrified to talk to me.

02:07:25.360 Because they still believe that they could be charged at some point or something because the government will come in.

02:07:31.260 They'll raid your home.

02:07:32.160 They'll seize all of your electronics.

02:07:33.420 And then they do not have to charge you with anything.

02:07:35.740 They can keep your property.

02:07:37.900 And so you have a lot of people that are unindicted co-conspirators.

02:07:41.740 If they did something, charge them or just drop it.

02:07:44.020 Let it go.

02:07:44.560 This is ridiculous.

02:07:45.300 So I feel very bad for them.

02:07:47.580 And a lot of people have had their lives ruined by this.

02:07:50.140 Not just the guys who went to prison, but their family members.

02:07:52.760 These are all families being destroyed.

02:07:54.960 Barry has three little girls that don't have their father now anymore.

02:07:58.920 Like they are destroying families.

02:08:02.180 People who are completely innocent.

02:08:04.020 All of these men were innocent as well.

02:08:05.720 But even more innocent than that, children.

02:08:08.500 And that's very sad.

02:08:09.500 Any final thoughts or anything?

02:08:12.320 Yeah, I mean, you know, situations like this, a lot of times what the state wants to do is they want to polarize certain groups of people and put the fear in them, right?

02:08:22.120 They want to put the fear in you so you never speak out against them.

02:08:26.700 Or else if you do, this is what will happen.

02:08:29.620 And, you know, my philosophy about it is, you know, even though stuff like this is going on and we see a lot of crazy shit going on in society, you know,

02:08:39.020 you still need to remain vigilant, stay connected with people you love, you know, get some storageable food, start gaining knowledge on how to take care of yourself and take care of your family and not be dependent on somebody else for your own life and, and, and, and your own sustenance, you know, and, and train and learn how to defend yourself.

02:09:00.600 It's your human right to know how to defend yourself.

02:09:03.940 Don't, don't give away that responsibility to somebody else.

02:09:07.120 Take action and, and learn how to do it yourself and getting these, this type of knowledge will empower yourself to make it to where, you know, what, if everyone does this type of stuff, they can't do that to us anymore.

02:09:20.320 They can't just come get us anymore, you know, cause we're a solid unit.

02:09:24.480 And, um, you know, that's just my advice that I have is, is, you know, believe in something, believe in truth, believe in morality and be willing to have the courage to, to stand up.

02:09:34.300 Even when you're scared, anything you guys want to shout out?

02:09:37.740 Yes, of course.

02:09:38.920 I'd like to shout out the documentary, kidnapping, kill an FBI terror plot that will tell the story when it's finished.

02:09:45.660 Uh, you can watch the trailer for that on the website.

02:09:48.180 It is the letter K and K film.com.

02:09:52.200 I didn't want to buy the domain name, kidnapping, kill.com.

02:09:56.260 So it's just K and K film.com right on social media.

02:10:00.960 Yeah.

02:10:01.220 And if, uh, if you want to check me out on Twitter, it's Brandon underscore Caserta and check me out on Tik TOK as well, which is kinetic underscore truth.

02:10:09.540 And if you want to hit up my gifts and go and help me out, that's also a gifts and go.com slash kinetic truth.

02:10:16.920 And, uh, you can have me on Facebook as well.

02:10:18.940 That's just my first and last name, Brandon Caserta, but I'm doing a lot of stuff on Tik TOK.

02:10:23.600 Uh, and I'm doing a lot of stuff on Instagram as well.

02:10:25.900 So go ahead and follow me there.

02:10:27.320 Right on.

02:10:28.100 This has been a blast.

02:10:28.820 Thank you guys so much for, for coming in and telling us about what was going on and where you're all at.

02:10:32.760 We really do appreciate it.

02:10:33.760 I hope things work out.

02:10:34.940 I'm looking forward to the documentary.

02:10:35.760 I hope these other guys that are still awaiting, I think, how many are still waiting trial?

02:10:40.260 Is it?

02:10:40.760 There's a few, um, I think just three now, uh, Eric Mulleter and the null brothers, um, that are facing trial this summer in Antrim County.

02:10:49.200 So, uh, people can pray for them.

02:10:51.420 I think that would be nice.

02:10:52.680 Absolutely.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - June 16, 2023

The Culture War #16 - Brandon Caserta, Exposing The Whitmer Kidnapping HOAX By The FBI

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