The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #19 - Has The Right Gone WOKE, w⧸ Ashley St Clair & Katherine Brodsky

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00:00:58.140 So I have these boost oxygens that I got because I saw an ad. I think it was on Instagram or

00:01:09.160 something. And you can tell. I sound a lot better, don't I? Dude, the air is so bad outside. The air

00:01:14.920 quality index has it at like 174. I don't even know what that means, just that it's bad. And

00:01:19.480 yesterday when I woke up, I couldn't even talk. Today when I woke up, similar problem. And I'm like,

00:01:24.580 man, this is going to suck. And I know, I remember that we have these like sports oxygen things that

00:01:30.640 you just, you know, you take and you go and no joke. Holy crap. I can breathe. This is crazy.

00:01:37.920 I've been, I've been freaking out on this all morning. Yeah. Yeah. All of a sudden, like I can

00:01:42.680 talk better. I can think better. The air really is that bad. I don't think people notice how much

00:01:47.440 bad air like screws them up. We're going to talk about, we're going to, we're going to debate and

00:01:51.840 discuss issues. So I've got a couple of really cool guests with me. Do you want to introduce

00:01:55.220 yourself first? Sure. I'll introduce myself first. My name is Catherine Brodsky and I am a writer of

00:02:03.960 sorts, I suppose. I suppose. And what shall I tell people about? How do you, how do you describe

00:02:11.000 yourself politically? I guess. I guess I describe myself as a liberal politically. I'm sorry to

00:02:17.940 Timple guests. I mean, audiences. I think many of them may actually agree with you.

00:02:22.380 Okay, good. Thank you for agreeing with me. I will send your checks in the mail. I have no money. So

00:02:28.880 I won't. But you've, you've been making the argument or you made, you wrote an article,

00:02:32.620 the rise of right-wing woke. I did do that. Yes. Well, you know, the thing about it is that I

00:02:38.960 had originally started speaking up. Like, so I wrote for a lot of like very mainstream publications,

00:02:45.280 like Variety, Washington Post, Guardian, all that kind of stuff, right? And originally what I was

00:02:52.780 seeing on the left was specifically how there was a lot of kind of silencing culture and, you know,

00:03:00.260 what people call woke. But for me, woke is really a type of behavior as opposed to just ideology. And

00:03:08.400 so I was actually pretty critical of kind of, I actually don't like calling woke because I think it's

00:03:15.900 very divisive in many ways, but people have been using that word and not the original way, right? Being

00:03:22.000 kind of awakened to injustices. So I started, you know, so I generally don't use that word so much, but

00:03:28.680 if you use, but the way that that word has now been popularized, right? We have been using it in a

00:03:35.280 certain context. So I've found that for me, it's about how, um, it's about people's behavior. And

00:03:43.660 I've originally found that on the left, you know, it's sort of the victim mentality. It's attacking

00:03:50.340 people. It's the boycotting. It's the blaming. It's attacks. It's calling people Nazi, all those

00:03:57.660 sort of things. And, um, I've been seeing the same thing now happening on the right. So that's why I

00:04:04.280 wrote about it because to me, again, it's, it's about behaviors. I actually agree with you that

00:04:09.420 it is happening on the right, but probably have a different stance on that. So this should be

00:04:13.580 interesting. Thanks for joining us. And then we have Ashley St. Clair. Hello. Hello. I am the token

00:04:18.780 right-wing extremist, minister of right-wing propaganda here to debate, Catherine here.

00:04:24.680 Right on. I mean, is that, is that how you describe your career then?

00:04:27.280 No, no. I'm the author of Elephants Are Not Birds. You can get it at Brave Books.

00:04:30.700 Well, let's, let's, let's jump into that right away. Uh, I suppose, I don't know if, uh, if you

00:04:36.420 want to respond to what Catherine said about right-wing woke? I think I would just like to know what

00:04:40.960 your definition of woke is too. I mean, that's a fair question. So for me, I mean, the original

00:04:48.720 definition of woke would have been right, like, uh, awakened to injustices, right? And that, that would

00:04:53.900 have been like the original leftist, I guess, definition of woke. And then now, um, you know,

00:05:00.480 the way that people have been sort of using it is, uh, specifically towards the left is more, um,

00:05:09.460 you know, putting everything in this kind of context of, of, um, you know, everything is unjust,

00:05:15.380 every, you know, everything comes down to race, everything comes down to people's sex, gender,

00:05:20.460 all that kind of stuff. And all the injustices in the world are based on that, right? And then

00:05:25.580 people using that as, as kind of a, they've sort of weaponized these things, um, against people and,

00:05:33.540 um, and use it to sort of silence, to cancel people, to also, you know, it's the cultural kind

00:05:41.200 of currency. And you mentioned boycotts. Would you lump boycotts into canceling like the woke does?

00:05:46.380 Depending on how you do it, I think, right? Um, I think people have the right to not support a

00:05:51.960 company or, or not to purchase something. Would you consider the Target and Bud Light boycotts

00:05:56.360 woke? I think to some extent, yes. Um, so I think for example, yeah, so I would use the Bud Light,

00:06:03.880 for example, in particular, because it was a specific individual. So I think it's okay for

00:06:08.020 people not to purchase like Bud Light, for example, but because... What do you mean by it was a

00:06:12.540 specific individual though? Because it was Dylan Mulvaney? Because it was Dylan Mulvaney.

00:06:16.740 And because the idea was to go after one individual because a company decided to...

00:06:23.420 You don't think that conservatives would have done it if it was any trans individual,

00:06:28.140 even similar to Dylan? Well, sure. I mean, even if it wasn't Dylan, I think the idea of going after

00:06:36.260 one person. I don't think they would have. You don't? These brands have spawned, have had like

00:06:41.520 RuPaul's Drag Race stuff before and it was Dylan Mulvaney that really sparked this thing. Yeah. And

00:06:47.620 I think, I don't think that the issue actually is because Dylan is either, whatever your view is,

00:06:54.680 either as a trans person or mock, like as a, as a Borat style character, as I've described it,

00:06:58.960 I think the issue was more so that Dylan is particularly nails on a chalkboard to the average

00:07:03.340 person. So a lot of beer companies have had drag queens and other pride ads that nobody batted an

00:07:11.020 eye over. I think the issue is that Dylan Mulvaney as an individual is particularly grating and

00:07:15.420 offensive. Yeah. Well, I know that conservatives really don't like Dylan Mulvaney. And look, I can

00:07:21.500 understand some of the issues that people have with Dylan Mulvaney in particular. However, first of all,

00:07:29.600 like if you talk to a lot of people, especially liberals, they don't even know who that is.

00:07:34.540 The only reason I even know who Dylan Mulvaney is is because there's this hugely disproportionate

00:07:39.920 level of like attention being paid by conservative sort of pundits to Dylan Mulvaney. And a lot of it

00:07:46.920 is sensationalism. I mean, as a woman, you don't think that he's particularly offensive. I mean,

00:07:52.360 this is an individual who he really used that just as because he was getting attention and clout from

00:07:58.880 this. Well, a lot of first day being a woman, second day being a woman, and he reduces being

00:08:04.920 a woman to this ridiculous caricature. Yeah. Wearing high heels in the forest. Yeah. I mean,

00:08:10.260 I think Dylan in general is a bit, perhaps a little bit ridiculous. I don't, I don't, I don't feel

00:08:15.680 offended personally. I do think Dylan is, I do, I did find the girlhood part offensive. I did find

00:08:23.260 the tampon part offensive, but that's his, yeah, that's his whole shtick. But I actually find the

00:08:29.100 tampon part much more offensive, not from Dylan's point of view, but from the Tampax point of view,

00:08:34.000 that Tampax would, would endorse someone like that because, well, it doesn't make sense. But,

00:08:42.360 but I don't think it's necessarily like Dylan's fault in this case to accept this. I think it's

00:08:48.540 the corporations that I would blame in this situation. Um, yeah, my, my response, when you

00:08:54.180 said, um, a disproportionate amount of like right-wing pundits focus on Don Mulvaney, Don Mulvaney

00:08:59.160 has what, like 13 million followers and is getting big brand sponsorships from Nike. So if liberals,

00:09:05.220 I think what you describe actually is fairly apt. Liberals don't pay attention. So you've got

00:09:09.780 conservatives who are like, Hey, something, something's not right here. And I can't speak

00:09:14.660 to, I, obviously, if you look at Matt Walsh, for instance, his view is particularly conservative

00:09:19.640 and right-wing that, you know, his view is Dylan represents trans people and this is bad and this

00:09:24.100 is wrong. That is not my view. My view is that Dylan is creating a Borat like character that insults

00:09:31.240 women and trans people is extremely grating to the average person exemplified by the Bud Light effect

00:09:37.340 and is doing no favors to trans people or women and is actually creating fuel for conservatives to,

00:09:44.220 you know, levy their, their, uh, uh, ideological differences with, with transgender. Well, I think

00:09:49.880 he's, which, which is it? I don't know. I know, I know, I know what I just said. I will, I will clarify.

00:09:57.020 I don't believe that Dylan Mulvaney is trans because trans people, people who are gendered as

00:10:03.480 fork don't sing about having giant bulges. Yes. So shamed of it. So we we've had, we've had trans

00:10:09.560 guests on the show. We have friends of the show, good friends of the show, people that we care about

00:10:12.960 deeply who are trans who have explained to us, someone who's suffering from gender dysphoria.

00:10:17.800 It's an anxiety. It's dysphoria would not make a video to 10 million people singing. Look at my penis

00:10:24.060 because that would be the most dysphoria inducing thing you could do.

00:10:28.340 I think Dylan is perhaps confused. I cannot speak. Like, I don't know Dylan. I don't know what

00:10:34.320 goes on in Dylan's mind. I think Dylan could have all sorts of issues and confusion. So I don't know.

00:10:42.920 Oh, I don't know. Whatever. Sorry. Continue. So I don't know what is happening to Dylan. And I don't

00:10:47.560 think Dylan is necessarily trying to do harm. I think Dylan is trying to figure out for themselves,

00:10:53.540 what is going on. I think it's inherently harmful for women to pretend to be a woman out of nowhere

00:11:01.600 for a TikTok algorithm for clout for followers. Because if you look at the history of Dylan's

00:11:06.820 content, it wasn't this way. He was rewarded by an algorithm and by clout and by a following

00:11:13.680 to pretend to be this ridiculous caricature. But when she says that there is a general issue

00:11:19.760 with people chasing clout in all sorts of arenas, this is just another example.

00:11:24.960 Yes. And the social contagion that has now grabbed Dylan is disproportionately harming women.

00:11:33.000 Yeah, I think. So if you look at we went over this on the show. If you look at the earliest

00:11:38.820 content from Dylan, it was like animal safari. Yes. And not getting that much traffic. Then Dylan made,

00:11:45.760 you know, being gay, got a little bit more views, then made a, I'm non-binary, got more views,

00:11:52.220 then came out as trans, millions of views. And the viewership really, really skyrocketed.

00:11:57.120 What I see with a character like Mulvaney and the reason why so many people on the right,

00:12:01.700 obviously, I'll say this first. I think conservatives generally oppose gender ideology.

00:12:07.480 They have concerns about exposing their children to people who are trans. They're conservatives.

00:12:12.120 Conservatives have, you know, held traditional values. For a lot of other people, they're just

00:12:16.760 generally annoyed by Mulvaney. What I've heard from regular people, you know, when I go out to like

00:12:23.720 National Harbor in DC and I'm just hanging out and I'm talking with people either at like restaurants

00:12:28.300 or in the harbor or whatever, what I typically hear, and to clarify, I'm talking about like seven

00:12:33.420 to 10 people. I'm not saying like I went and surveyed the world, just like hanging out with people

00:12:36.860 who are in the area. They say disgust is, is typically how they describe their view of this

00:12:41.100 person. I look at it like one of my biggest concerns has been artificial intelligence algorithms

00:12:47.700 and how it's manipulating everybody. The, the rise of wokeness to go back to that, I believe is

00:12:54.240 specifically because Facebook incentivized keywords. So if you wrote an article that got clicks,

00:13:02.760 Facebook would promote it if, if, if it was getting attention, simply put. So people, uh,

00:13:09.400 knowing that rage generates the most attention online started making more and more content that

00:13:14.720 was rage inducing. So you start seeing more and more around 2008, social justice issues skyrocket.

00:13:21.040 It's because these companies are making money. And the best example is Mike.com. When they launched,

00:13:25.400 they were a Ron Paul pro like libertarian kind of thing. Within a few years, they were.

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00:14:51.180 big on care. Did I mention that we care? Quote unquote woke, because that's what was generating

00:14:59.180 traffic and revenue. That's what Dylan Mulvaney is. The earliest content was like animals and safari.

00:15:04.660 And then you notice that when Dylan starts entering the LGBT stuff, more and more views come in.

00:15:09.800 So I think Dylan is more like Madonna. So wouldn't you say that the content that's anti Dylan

00:15:16.020 is the same kind of thing? Because the the content that is anti Dylan does the exact same thing. It

00:15:22.800 induces rage. It does really well on the clicks. 50 50. So because to me, the things that harm women

00:15:28.840 more or the things that at least you could talk about more that I think is fair game that people

00:15:34.660 can have legitimate issues with is, for example, if we're going to talk about trans issues is going

00:15:41.060 to be more OK, children. If we're going to talk about school and school sports prisons spaces,

00:15:49.980 regardless of what your views are on these things, I think those are at least legitimate topics to

00:15:54.920 discuss. But when you start going on about I to meet like Dylan and things like that, to me,

00:16:01.380 those are decoy topics and those are rage and clickbait. I don't I don't believe so. I think

00:16:06.760 he is the perfect example of what they're doing to erase women. You saw recently they want to call

00:16:12.940 our female parts bonus holes. Why don't you talk about that then very specifically as opposed to

00:16:18.820 specifically just focusing on Dylan? Because to me, Dylan is a decoy again. And I think it's about

00:16:24.340 rage and clickbait. I don't know Dylan's name in it. That's what's going to generate the clicks as

00:16:30.080 opposed to talking about these very sure. There are going to be people who use that because

00:16:35.400 Dylan is popular. Sure. But I still think it's a great topic because it's the perfect example of

00:16:42.360 women being turned into this ridiculous character. It's one person who is expressing themselves. I

00:16:48.200 think Dylan is frankly just confused. Yes. Dylan is looking for attention. A lot of people in this

00:16:54.320 world are looking for attention in all sorts of ways. I think that's too kind to what Dylan's doing

00:16:59.240 here because Dylan is very aware that they're going on and pretending to be a woman and taking

00:17:05.420 away deals and other things from should not say that things deals away from women. Yeah. Taking

00:17:11.140 deals away from women and taking away opportunities for women and putting himself into our space.

00:17:17.440 He's taking that away. I agree with you, actually. And I've talked about it quite a bit that what I

00:17:24.340 refer to as the Bud Light effect is two things. One, the obvious big corporations are clearly

00:17:30.260 getting scared that if they go anywhere near this stuff, they're going to lose money. So Target was

00:17:33.760 like, hey, move that stuff to the back. Starbucks claims they never told staffers to take decorations

00:17:39.040 down. But the union saying at a bunch of different stores, they have videos of it. You can watch the

00:17:43.280 videos of them taking it down saying we were told to. But the Bud Light effect is also that people

00:17:49.120 will start to realize this is how you get viral. This is how you make money. So what will end up

00:17:54.760 happening is there's going to be some 17 year old who has a thousand followers and they're going to

00:18:00.100 think to themselves, I really wish I had a million followers. They're going to go on YouTube. They're

00:18:04.360 going to go on TikTok and they're going to see people are getting views from criticizing Dylan Mulvaney

00:18:08.060 and they will start to do the same thing and they will get views. And not just Mulvaney, though.

00:18:12.740 They'll talk about Bud Light. They'll talk about Target. They'll say, oh, yeah, look at me.

00:18:16.460 I'm anti-woke, too. And their viewership will skyrocket. There's a whole industry of being

00:18:21.600 anti-woke. And what I've seen specifically, because in the beginning, when I was seeing

00:18:26.820 some of this stuff going really insane, right, that was sort of the what we've been calling sort

00:18:31.980 of wokeness, there were all these people who kind of came out as being anti-woke warriors.

00:18:38.180 But what I've witnessed is people going getting really extreme themselves and how the rhetoric and

00:18:44.720 how they attack it. And and we've seen sort of the same people who were noticing the aggressive

00:18:51.780 behavior. Like at this point, I've been called a Nazi by by both sides. Right. I want to go on

00:19:01.100 the record and say that I am not a Nazi. You don't have to. It's really like, no, I'm kidding.

00:19:06.720 I'm kidding. But like, but that's the thing. These I mean, I agree. Yeah, there's a rise in

00:19:13.080 the people who are using anti-woke warrior ness to follow. Yeah, I think it's great that both are

00:19:20.700 using this to garner following. I think it's absolutely fantastic. How is that good that

00:19:25.140 people are starting to see that by calling out wokeness, they can receive fame and virality and

00:19:31.180 all that stuff. It's a fantastic thing. How is that? OK, this is what drives me kind of crazy,

00:19:35.720 because when I say, OK, you're doing the exact same thing as the people you were criticizing and

00:19:42.020 they say, well, look, we're just using your tactics against you now that you're getting a

00:19:47.200 taste of your own medicine. And I say, OK, well, so you don't have any principles, basically. And

00:19:51.500 they're saying, well, we'll get principles when we win the war. What tactics do you think are

00:19:56.740 unprincipled from the anti-woke from because for the most part, what I see on the anti-woke,

00:20:01.580 I really think the word is overused and I hate seeing certain people use it. It's overused. But

00:20:06.420 what principles and tactics do you think are you treat people as individuals? You treat people

00:20:11.700 fairly. You don't attack people unwarrantedly. You you don't like call people names. You don't cancel

00:20:19.900 people. Yeah, like canceling is fairly like nebulous. Like, what does that really mean? Well,

00:20:26.380 people go after people for the livelihood. They they attack people. So one thing that I would

00:20:31.440 get who's getting it. Well, I've I've even experienced Mulvaney. Mulvaney. Easy. We're

00:20:37.060 just talking about Mulvaney has only become more and more popular because Mulvaney is also doing

00:20:42.160 red carpets now. But at Target, there are people who were like, for example, there was harassment

00:20:47.040 of employees that was happening. Now, I'll say on the reverse, like there were bomb threats

00:20:52.140 that were happening when real quick. The bar threats were from the left. No, I know I'm

00:20:56.220 saying on the reverse. And the harassment of employees, that's we don't have proof of

00:20:59.420 that. We just have like before the news, before there was any big like right wing outrage

00:21:05.480 over Target, Target had experienced what they said was confrontations with staff. That's

00:21:11.180 Target putting out an internal memo. We don't know exactly what that means. It could literally

00:21:14.680 be a woman going, why are you doing this? And then like walking away. So to say like beyond

00:21:19.600 that we don't know. Well, there are videos around too of people like destroying stuff

00:21:23.700 like as well. Yeah. Destroying stuff. There are videos of people confronting. I'm not talking

00:21:29.720 about necessarily Target because I haven't seen those necessarily videos, but I've seen

00:21:33.220 other videos. You did ask a question. I don't want to miss it when you said, why is it a good

00:21:37.660 thing? So I want to say a few things. One canceling the initial concept of canceling was an example.

00:21:44.520 There was a NASCAR driver whose father in the eighties said the N word. So he lost sponsors

00:21:51.240 40 years later. And like, that makes no sense. That's cancellation. Sarah Silverman did blackface

00:21:58.180 a long time ago. It was considered edgy, but socially acceptable. 10 years later, she loses a

00:22:03.340 movie role. That's canceling. If someone comes out today like Dylan Mulvaney and does something that

00:22:09.520 is offensive to people and that results in a loss of sponsorships, that is not, in my view,

00:22:14.160 what canceling has traditionally been. Like if a person right now does bad thing and we say you did

00:22:20.280 bad thing, so we don't want to associate with you, but that's how it's always been. No matter who you

00:22:24.220 are, no matter the idea of cancellation emerged in that we are digging up people's past histories to

00:22:28.500 remove them. That's the difference. Well, to me, canceling isn't. Yes. I mean, I do think there

00:22:34.640 should be, as we say, consequences, right, for poor behavior. But to me, it's not. I think also

00:22:42.060 there's disproportionate effects from somebody saying something that doesn't warrant the effects

00:22:50.620 that they're getting. So people, you know, if somebody lobbies for someone losing their job over

00:22:56.320 saying something, a little joke or not even doing anything, sometimes people make things up or start

00:23:01.500 campaigns. There's all these people like on Twitter right now, for example, who start these threads

00:23:06.800 trying to, you know, have people lose their jobs or. But I don't really see that from the right. I see

00:23:12.900 that from the right all the time. It's definitely. There's a there's a sense of victimhood. Like

00:23:19.180 this is the other thing that I see is like and this is something that traditionally was really

00:23:23.400 associated with the left is the sense of like we're victims. And this is what I think happens a lot

00:23:28.640 is like we're victims. And now when we get a little bit of power, we we start using this victim

00:23:34.540 excuse of victimhood to then go after people because we feel like we're entitled to it.

00:23:41.060 And so what I'm seeing now is those those very same people who felt like they were victimized,

00:23:46.000 which frankly, in some ways they were because there was this institutional power that was used

00:23:50.520 against them. Right. And at this point, I think conservatives to have had things like they

00:23:56.360 were silenced. They were deplatformed. All these things did happen to them. They've lost jobs.

00:24:00.900 So I do want to acknowledge that that is true. But a lot of them feel extremely victimized. And now

00:24:08.120 they feel like there's the excuse because they were victimized to go after other people. And there is

00:24:14.080 this rage that's building. And I feel it's very dangerous. So to go back to what I was mentioning

00:24:18.720 before, you said I said it was good. You said why. And so now I'll get to that.

00:24:21.840 Mm hmm. People have moral frameworks. And traditionally, the United States, the moral

00:24:27.640 framework has been based on Judeo Christian values. Very much, you know, this country has

00:24:33.820 been Christian for a very, very long time. People eventually started moving away from organized

00:24:37.820 religion to varying degrees. We're seeing a rise in secularism. However, even with that, many people

00:24:42.560 in this country who describe themselves as secular or liberal, especially staunch atheists actually

00:24:46.740 still have Judeo Christian moral frameworks, such as Bill Maher being the best example. Bill Maher believes

00:24:51.380 in free speech. Bill Maher believes in the right of the innocent until proven guilty. These things

00:24:54.960 are actually rooted in the Bible. The simplest example without going into Bible study, and I am

00:24:59.700 not a Christian, by the way, is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. If there's but one righteous

00:25:03.480 man, I will not destroy these cities. And it was God talking to Abraham. Lot was in the city,

00:25:08.820 blah, blah, blah. Abraham's like, there's good people there. You can't do this. This is what informed

00:25:13.180 Blackstone when he made his formulation. It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent

00:25:17.720 person suffer. Ben Franklin went up that to better than 100 guilty persons escape. So those are

00:25:23.000 actually rooted in the teachings of the Bible. You will end up now with secularists who hold those

00:25:28.280 values, not realizing where it comes from. The reason why I think it's a good thing is that the

00:25:32.120 modern left, what we describe as woke, has no moral framework. Their moral framework can be described

00:25:36.740 as postmodernist or fascistic. Fascistic in the sense that they believe there is no truth but power,

00:25:42.960 which is a core ethos of many of the, like, what I would describe as, like, higher level thinkers

00:25:48.680 among what we would describe as woke. They believe that there is no truth but power is the simplest

00:25:54.420 way to explain their moral framework, which is described academically, say, by the late David

00:25:59.560 Graeber, the anarchist anthropologist who despised being called that, that was a fascistic moral

00:26:05.900 philosophy. That is not something held by the modern, what we've described as culture war, right,

00:26:10.380 who holds more traditional, a classical liberal and Judeo-Christian moral frameworks. What ends up

00:26:17.480 happening is you get to these positions where classical, conservatives are very classically

00:26:24.080 liberal in a certain sense. They're civil libertarian in a certain sense. Not all of them. Some of them

00:26:28.180 are actually very authoritarian. But you end up with them saying for the longest time, live and let live.

00:26:33.180 We accept that. We disagree with what they do, but they're not doing anything about it.

00:26:38.000 I'll give you an example. In West Virginia, I've been ranting about Berkeley County,

00:26:42.500 86%, the state, it's 86% Trump supporting the state. Berkeley County had a drag show in public

00:26:48.040 with children. That's illegal in West Virginia, unquestionably. In fact, it's illegal to cohabitate

00:26:53.920 if you're not married in West Virginia. Not that I think they should enforce that law. The point is,

00:26:58.640 even though this state is the second most Trump supporting conservative state, they do nothing

00:27:03.120 about the things they think are morally wrong or violate their moral framework. This is because

00:27:08.380 they are complacent and to a great degree, classically liberal in that, you know, we're

00:27:15.120 going to let you do your thing. We're going to mind our own business. That has led to a rise in a

00:27:21.680 a second country within a country that we've done.

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00:28:52.840 Described as a multicultural democracy emerging within a constitutional republic.

00:28:58.800 What happens? The more the multicultural democracy faction, what we've described as woke,

00:29:04.420 gain political power and use untoward tactics like cancellation, false victimhood, manipulations,

00:29:10.600 lying in the press, et cetera. The more ground they take from the civil libertarians who reach the

00:29:16.040 point of the pendulum swing, grab the pendulum with full force and say, I now understand we are

00:29:22.040 involved in a cold civil war as described by a Princeton professor, not my words, or we're in

00:29:27.520 a culture war. And you know what? When it comes to war, it's conflict and everyone tries to avoid it.

00:29:33.720 But at a certain point, when someone's smashing through your borders, you decide you have to do

00:29:37.740 something to push back. Abraham Lincoln famously suspended habeas corpus. People called him a tyrant for

00:29:42.900 it. We look back fondly on Abraham Lincoln for all that he did. Conservatives now looking at this

00:29:47.560 are saying, we must use culture war tactics lest these people actually destroy our culture. That's

00:29:54.020 why I think it's a good thing that people are starting to say, hey, look, there's opportunity

00:29:58.180 here. We can win and we're going to win.

00:30:00.960 And maybe I am, I guess I am more of an idealist in that way, but I just don't believe in abandoning

00:30:07.100 certain principles in order to win a war. Because in that case, I'm like, what's the point

00:30:11.520 of being on the winning side if you're going to be exactly the same as the side that you're

00:30:16.980 fighting against?

00:30:17.720 Right. So do you think Abraham Lincoln was wrong to suspend habeas corpus?

00:30:21.140 I don't know.

00:30:22.020 Do you think Abraham Lincoln was wrong to rule by edict when he started issuing decrees?

00:30:26.340 Well, because you're looking back at the winnings and you're saying, okay, this was a better outcome.

00:30:31.480 I mean, suspending habeas corpus violates the entire spirit of this country.

00:30:34.980 The spirit of the nation, the rights granted by the founding fathers.

00:30:39.020 Abraham Lincoln outright, he tried, I don't know if this is apocryphal, but if you read

00:30:44.700 history, there's a debate over it. Tried to arrest a Supreme Court justice for disagreeing

00:30:49.340 with him. Members of the Maryland legislature were arrested for having Confederate sentiments,

00:30:54.600 despite the fact that Maryland, a slave state, was with the Union.

00:30:58.980 You can't defend those tactics, but we understand in war, we did not want the Confederacy to win.

00:31:04.980 I understand. And it's sort of what you were also talking about earlier when you were saying,

00:31:09.980 you know, do you let 10 innocent men, you know, go to get, or guilty men go to get the guilty one,

00:31:16.340 right? And my thinking on that has actually changed a bit, especially when you're like

00:31:20.740 looking at, say, the Me Too era. You know, and there was a time where I might have thought a

00:31:26.220 little bit differently about that, but I've also like heard stories.

00:31:29.440 Which way? Agreeing with the formulation or disagreeing with the formulation?

00:31:32.060 Well, I think it's better to let the guilty men go, to be honest, because I want to protect the

00:31:37.820 innocent. I absolutely. Yeah. And I, because I've known some people who were innocent who got caught

00:31:43.260 and it's a tough one. It's a tough one. It's not. I think it's the easiest thing ever, but

00:31:48.740 wokeness takes the opposing view that it is better that 10 innocent people suffer than one guilty person

00:31:54.460 which is why I don't agree with it on either side. And so when I see it happening on both ends,

00:32:01.780 I oppose to it regardless. Cause to me, again, I see it as a behavior as opposed to just an ideology.

00:32:08.380 I don't, I don't, I don't see the right as going after innocent people.

00:32:11.220 No, it's so much more than that. I mean, we're talking about boycotts and how boycotts are woke,

00:32:16.140 but the left has weaponized wokeness and put wokeness into our department of justice, into our,

00:32:23.320 they have judicial activists, um, sitting on our courts right now. It's so much more than just,

00:32:29.300 I don't like this idea being pushed on me. I don't like trans people. I don't like this.

00:32:34.000 There, there's people in jail right now, sitting in jail, having their civil rights violated

00:32:38.080 for just being present on January 6th. Yeah. And that one is a bit of a hard one for me to talk

00:32:44.900 about what principles do you have at that point? What principle, I mean, what is fair in war when

00:32:50.400 you have the FBI colluding with big tech, colluding with Twitter to censor the Hunter Biden laptop

00:32:56.060 story? They worked with big tech. The FBI worked with Twitter to do what they constitutionally could

00:33:01.200 not and censor a story. Yeah. I mean, I, I do agree that, uh, when we're talking about, you know,

00:33:08.300 censorship and things like that, I think we can all agree that, um, you know, uh, government

00:33:13.540 getting involved in censorship is never a good idea. Um, when we're talking about, I mean,

00:33:19.300 but we are also like, for example, like for me, I, I, I do uphold the values of free speech,

00:33:25.320 which I do think is a liberal value that has in some ways, in many ways have, has been abandoned,

00:33:30.360 sadly, by a lot of liberals, not all, but a lot. And, uh, you know, but I also look at something,

00:33:36.820 for example, there was a case recently that fire took on, um, and, uh, and this is on the

00:33:43.140 conservative side. And, and by the way, there's many examples, like I'll call out my side too,

00:33:47.760 right? There's a lot of violations that on, on the left, but, but this one is on the right. For

00:33:52.640 example, there was, um, um, uh, it was a drag show on a university campus. It was a fundraiser.

00:34:00.800 These are adults. And that was the, the dean of the university canceled it. And, uh, and so right

00:34:08.600 now there's like a lawsuit happening. And so that's like an example, for example, where I do

00:34:13.520 think that's a violation of speech. You might not like the drag show, but these are adults don't

00:34:18.580 have as much of a problem with that because these universities banned Ben Shapiro, who's, you know,

00:34:23.100 like he's, he's about as tall as a happy meal toy. And they're scared of, well, I don't think they

00:34:27.520 should. Yes. Right. And I don't think they should, I don't think they should. And nobody's

00:34:31.980 suing because no one's suing because they didn't let Ben Shapiro. Well, I like, I mean,

00:34:35.480 fire is an organization that I've come across more recently that does seem to do work on both

00:34:40.560 ends, right. And uphold. And I think they should, I mean, that's where I'm like, like what I believe

00:34:45.680 in is like, you know, regard again, regardless of the spectrum, you should be kind of upholding

00:34:50.360 equal, you know, but they're not the issue with wokeness is like I said, it's infected.

00:34:55.740 Even our department of justice at this point, it's inherently evil. And they don't, they

00:35:01.040 don't have the same respect for the other side that as soon as the right starts playing

00:35:06.440 the same game, it's like, Oh, slow down. That's a little too mean. It's a, it's a, it's

00:35:11.240 a conflict. Yes. There's no line for the left though. You're allowed to throw us in jail.

00:35:15.520 You're allowed to destroy our lives. And I think we need to make distinctions, right? Just

00:35:19.920 like, and I'll make that distinction on both sides. Like, okay, so there is the radical

00:35:23.900 left, there's the radical right. There are people that I talked to on the right who are,

00:35:28.560 for example, they, they, they see what I'm seeing on the right that's happening. They're

00:35:32.780 seeing, there are people on the left who are seeing what I'm seeing. What do you mean

00:35:35.660 what's happening on the right? Okay. Well, what I'm seeing is a more aggressive, more sort

00:35:40.940 of like what I'm talking about in terms of an increased sort of wokeness on the right, where

00:35:47.820 there is more aggressiveness, more hostility. There are also calls to violence. There is,

00:35:53.100 I mean, I've had death threats from the right. I've had death threats from the left. Uh, right?

00:35:58.140 Like that stuff is happening. That's what I think is really important to acknowledge that that stuff

00:36:03.280 is happening across spectrums. And you kind of have to look at the mirror and, and acknowledge

00:36:08.980 because otherwise that stuff is going to fester and grow. And I know it's happening in anger. I know

00:36:13.800 it's happening out of a counter reaction, but that doesn't excuse it. But let me just say, um,

00:36:20.920 every prominent right-wing personality condemns calls for violence. I would say every prominent

00:36:26.600 left-wing personality called for violence against the Covington kids and many prominent leftists

00:36:32.260 celebrated Andy Ngo being mercilessly beaten in the street. These are the distinctions. When Antifa

00:36:37.240 goes out and firebombs buildings, they get celebrated. When the right goes out and marches down the street,

00:36:42.200 they get called terrorists. Well, all I'm going to say is that when that happens, it's bad.

00:36:48.120 When, when people like call, don't call that out on the left, that's wrong. When they celebrate it,

00:36:55.000 it's wrong, but that doesn't make it okay when that happens. But no one, no one on the right.

00:37:00.680 I mean, I like Ben Shapiro is never going to come out and be like, it was a good thing. You know,

00:37:06.200 this bad thing. Ben Shapiro won't, but like, but there are definitely people who cheer that out.

00:37:10.440 Like when, when, for example, small nobodies that no one ever heard of. I mean, when it came to the

00:37:14.600 Covington kids, you had people who worked at Disney tweeting out wood chippers with blood spraying from

00:37:19.240 it. You had, uh, I think it was Reza Aslan, multimillionaire media personality saying the kid

00:37:25.960 had a punchable face. The pro like, well, I'm not here to defend people doing that.

00:37:31.800 No, but, but you can't play this, this false equivalence of the people on the right have

00:37:36.200 been doing this thing. Sure. Who though? Like small fringe, nobodies that no one cares about.

00:37:40.040 Well, of course everyone agrees that's bad. And every time you look at the, the Derek show,

00:37:44.440 just right. I mean, sure. There, there are, there are like, look, the issue comes down to,

00:37:50.200 there are certainly personalities on the right with followings who will say really nasty things,

00:37:54.360 but the prominent personalities on the right will denounce all of it. And the prominent

00:37:59.240 personalities on the left will support almost all of it. It's an inversion. When you have people

00:38:04.200 who work at Disney, when you have Kathy Griffin, for instance, she gets, she loses her job at CNN,

00:38:09.560 you know, uh, because posting that photo of Trump's, you know, separate, I mean, crazy stuff,

00:38:14.040 but you have very prominent high profile leftists cheering on violence. And then you have fringe,

00:38:19.880 moderate, you know, small personalities on the right who may sometimes excuse or call for violence.

00:38:26.440 And then they use those to paint a whole picture of the right, which is not true at all. But I think

00:38:32.120 it's intellectually dishonest to conflate the tactics of the woke left and this counter-offensive

00:38:39.320 that we're seeing from the right. I don't think they're comparable.

00:38:42.600 Do you think just because they're not as major, the personalities aren't as, as famous, that doesn't

00:38:49.240 make it like significant. The fact that there is quite a few people. If I saw a dude waving a

00:38:55.960 communist flag out in the middle of the street, and then he started threatening people, I'm not

00:38:59.640 going to blame all of the left for the action of the individual. I'm also not blaming all of the

00:39:04.200 right for the actions of the individual. But you say I'm seeing it on the right. Yeah.

00:39:08.520 Despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of, of like the political movement on the right

00:39:13.720 denounces this every turn and the political movement on the left cheers for it.

00:39:17.400 Well, I am seeing a lot of it on the right. I'm not, I will not say that it's all of the right.

00:39:23.320 But what is it though? What, what is it that you're seeing? Calls for violence? Like what is it?

00:39:27.080 There are calls for violence. There is, there is calls for civil war. There are calls for, uh,

00:39:32.360 separation. There are calls for, um,

00:39:35.720 on the right and the left. Yeah, sure. Even Sarah Silverman famously made that video where

00:39:40.600 she's like civil war. And it's like, I don't look, don't look at me. Yeah. And everyone's

00:39:44.520 like drink when Tim says it. I'm like, I didn't make these ideas up. I got them from the Princeton

00:39:47.960 professor guy from the, from the New York mag and stuff. And even Sarah Silverman's talking about it,

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00:41:18.440 A lot of libertarians are talking about it. It's it. I don't think it's a left or right thing.

00:41:24.360 I mean, I do and I do hear I mean, I certainly have heard many people also on the right denounce

00:41:29.400 that stuff and say that that's not good and they don't like where some that kind of rhetoric so

00:41:35.400 that it's not it's not I'm certainly not saying that every everyone on the right is that's the way

00:41:40.440 that they're thinking. I'm not. But there is enough of a movement towards that that I find that alarming.

00:41:46.920 And I and I wasn't seeing that and I wasn't seeing that so much like maybe even a year and a half ago.

00:41:52.360 It's not. So I suppose the way I'd look at it is the the woke faction, you know, because left and

00:41:58.440 right is fairly vague. Like, what does it even describe? Like if somebody said a good way to

00:42:03.080 look at it is more like pro authoritarianism and not now they're there because they're there.

00:42:10.280 I've heard it a million times. You've got the the true battle is libertarian versus authoritarian.

00:42:14.840 I'm like, that's not true. Like hang out with some of these people on the right and

00:42:18.280 they're going to talk about like like we should ban this thing at a federal level or whatever it may

00:42:21.560 be. And some I've heard people say it's nationalism versus globalism. And I'm like, that's absolutely

00:42:26.440 not it. I think it is the Stephen Marsh we had on the show. He's a liberal guy. He said there is a

00:42:33.560 multicultural democracy growing with the United States and the it cannot coexist with the

00:42:38.920 constitutional republic. And he said that he was more the multicultural democracy faction.

00:42:42.840 I think that hit the nail on the head with the hammer. You have someone like me, for instance,

00:42:48.120 my politics probably land somewhere in the traditional Democrat, traditional liberal space.

00:42:53.240 But when it comes to issues of fact and morality, I'll be called right wing for these things.

00:42:58.920 Because my views typically align with individuality, individuality in the in the Constitution,

00:43:03.720 whereas the left eschews these these values as they come from racist white slave owners.

00:43:09.320 They put out things like the 1619 Project. So left and right, somewhat vague and nebulous,

00:43:15.240 but this that's that's the big conflict that I think is happening.

00:43:18.440 But I think you're accused of being right wing when you speak logically and about facts more

00:43:22.680 because wokeness and the left has become entirely absorbed with rejecting reality.

00:43:27.880 And that reality has a right wing bias, right?

00:43:29.640 Yes, there's nothing moral about wokeness. It's their entire goal is to destroy truth.

00:43:37.400 Here's an example. Like I say, Joe Biden is on camera threatening to withhold congressionally

00:43:44.600 approved loan guarantees unless the Ukrainian president fires a prosecutor. That is, by definition,

00:43:49.800 a quid pro quo. He is not legally authorized to engage him by saying that they call me conservative.

00:43:54.920 And I'm like, but it's a fact because reality is antithetical to

00:43:59.160 wokeness to the entire left, because if they can destroy reality and truth,

00:44:03.800 then they can destroy the entire notion of good and evil, good and bad, as we know it,

00:44:08.120 and create facts. Yes, yes. Facts are literally right wing.

00:44:11.480 Well, OK, that's OK. But but but look, so this is what like this is the fascinating thing about the

00:44:18.120 culture war debate. We put out a video clip. We have a reporter on the ground, a lot Eliyahu.

00:44:23.480 He films people marching, saying we're coming for your children. Timcast News tweets marchers chant

00:44:28.760 we're coming for your children. We did not opine on the fact. And we filmed several clips from the

00:44:33.240 march. It was just coverage of the march. All of these corporate press outlets call us a right wing

00:44:38.520 channel for doing so. It's like it's a smear for simply having done the reporting. We're right wing.

00:44:43.400 Wait, was that your video? That was our video. That's right. So our reporter covered that.

00:44:46.840 So, OK, so I'm just curious. Was that video was how how many people were actually like

00:44:53.240 chanting that? That looked like if you look at it could be seven or eight. But we didn't.

00:44:58.040 Elad didn't tweet out. How dare these people say that? He said marchers chant. We're coming for your

00:45:03.400 children. And it's part of a long thread of a bunch of things they had been saying. We did not

00:45:08.840 condemn or opine in our reporting. We simply showed people a collection of videos of what had happened.

00:45:14.920 Now, I personally opine on it a lot, but they call the clip itself right wing or whatever for simply

00:45:22.680 pointing out a thing happened. And then they lie like insanely about it. But this is this is the point.

00:45:29.960 I go on the ground and say, hey, thing happened. If that thing offends the sensibilities of the woke,

00:45:36.840 they will call me a right wing for having noticed it. This is this. This is what left in right means.

00:45:41.800 If you stick to the facts, you're right wing. If I if this was actually.

00:45:46.360 Yeah, but people. OK, but but but also you pick certain things to cover and they pick certain

00:45:52.520 things to cover. And those by choosing one thing over another thing that also, right, that that

00:45:58.920 that is a type of narrative to you can't accuse someone of having political values for choosing

00:46:03.480 to cover a story. Yeah. Well, you can't you can if you choose to cover one story, not another story.

00:46:07.800 Well, I mean, I mean, another thing and how that makes literally no sense.

00:46:12.360 How does it not make sense? So and Anderson Cooper is pro war for covering war.

00:46:16.200 That makes no sense. But if you only cover one side of a story and you won't cover another side

00:46:21.080 of the side of the story and filming a pride march. No, but if you. OK, if you put a particular clip

00:46:27.000 on. Right. You say there's all these things happen. It's like this. OK, when we had the truckers

00:46:32.040 thing in Canada. Right. And one thing that that the media did is they only put out

00:46:38.120 the the pictures of the Nazi flags. Right. And then the rest of it was not Nazi flags. Right.

00:46:47.000 And they built. Yeah. Right. All the time. But that's what I'm saying.

00:46:50.360 But we don't do that covering. But if you only. But that's what I'm saying. You build a narrative

00:46:54.920 by only. So a lot of thread, you know, for example, if you want to go back to the thread,

00:46:58.840 it showed the entirety of pride. It showed a lot of different angles of pride. And we're called

00:47:02.760 right wing for him covering it in general. If he covered it in general, that's not,

00:47:06.440 then that's not those smears. That's wokeness. What they did to Tim and a lot just for covering

00:47:11.960 something, for showing truth, for showing reality and then smearing him as right wing, smearing him

00:47:16.600 as a Nazi. That's wokeness. That's not to me. That's not comparable to people not buying but light

00:47:22.120 anymore at all. I do think it's absolutely fascinating that the left has taken on the identity

00:47:28.280 of supporting child sex changes and children being welcome to sex shows. And if you oppose

00:47:33.800 that, you're right wing. And I'm like. But I do want to say that one thing that's happening is

00:47:38.520 like, you know, so one thing is like everyone gets called libtard or whatever. But the truth is like

00:47:45.640 people do still have a multitude of points of views on the left. So it's like what happens is like

00:47:51.000 the people that get amplified are the like more extreme voices. The truth is like if I talk to people,

00:47:57.240 people like I'm looking at your expression, but like, no, because I agree. Yeah. And the left

00:48:02.360 supports them and defends them and puts them in positions of power. Yeah. So the people get

00:48:07.080 amplified. But but that's the thing, right? Because like I talk to people and their points of views are

00:48:12.440 really diverse in all these topics. One thing that I do that find it does make it really difficult

00:48:17.480 sometimes to have conversations, including about, say, trans issues is because it does get put up as

00:48:23.800 like a right wing issue. And so because it becomes like sort of a right wing issue to have any concerns

00:48:29.720 about these things, it does make it like so that a lot of people are kind of scared to talk about it.

00:48:35.000 So your team did that. I realize I do. I realize I'm trying. I'm trying to help the situation.

00:48:42.600 I'm trying to do my part. Well, that's the wokeness. You're not allowed. I get it. I get it.

00:48:48.520 I'm trying to do my part by speaking. And I think that's the only thing you can do is like it is

00:48:53.080 the dialogue is you have to have the dialogue. You have to not be so scared. And I think when people

00:48:58.440 like me and others talk about it, I think it does make it so a little bit safer for other people to

00:49:05.080 start talking about it. But I found that when I'm having these conversations with people,

00:49:10.040 because I'm like not this radical, they're like, when we have these conversations, people

00:49:16.280 are much, much, much more sensible about these things. And but because the point of view that they're

00:49:22.680 being like people on the right are being presented with people on the left are being presented with,

00:49:26.840 they think that everybody's view is all is just that radical one. And that's all that's being

00:49:32.600 heard. And that creates like a false narrative of false perception of reality of what people think.

00:49:38.520 I sort of agree. I mostly disagree. If you if you have a leadership structure

00:49:44.280 that you support, that espouses certain views, and then you say, but I personally disagree. Sure.

00:49:49.080 But you're lending all of your power and support to the views you disagree with. That makes no sense.

00:49:53.560 On the right, you have everyone fighting with each other and arguing all the time.

00:49:56.120 Yeah, you know, I can have somebody on this show. And I will state my opinions on like progressive

00:50:02.680 taxation, or, you know, argue with libertarians on whether taxation is theft, argue with pro-lifers

00:50:07.800 on, you know, the restrictions on abortion and things like that. Those disagreements happen all

00:50:12.040 the time. On the left, they're either like, I'm too scared to speak. So I'll just let the craziest

00:50:16.600 person have the microphone. Yeah, then you're supporting it. Unless like,

00:50:20.680 No, I agree. I agree. I think that's a huge problem on the left. I think the left needs to

00:50:26.440 have more disagreements. I think they do need to have way more voices represented. I mean, I think

00:50:32.360 there is a huge political issue as well, where you have like really two sides and two candidates,

00:50:37.400 every every election in the US in Canada, it's the same thing, essentially. Well, in Canada,

00:50:42.200 you really only have one party, pretty much, because the other parties don't have any real

00:50:47.240 power. So it's very like, that creates like power wise, power structure wise, you really don't have

00:50:55.480 really choices. And so if you really don't, if you don't really agree enough with like one side or the

00:51:03.720 other, like, it feels like you have no voice in the political sphere. But only only if you're

00:51:10.200 pandering to leftists. Yes. Because you just said a couple minutes ago, you said, you know,

00:51:15.480 you don't feel safe talking about certain things with leftists. And there are a couple items like

00:51:20.360 that on the right. But for the most part, there's a lot more dialogue and conversation and diversity of

00:51:25.080 opinion on the right. Whereas the left, you just can't say certain things. There's no go zones.

00:51:30.680 Yeah, it didn't use to be quite as bad as that. Until maybe. I think it's like maybe five years

00:51:40.360 now that it's been like that. I didn't use to feel that way. But that's the embodiment of wokeism,

00:51:46.680 at least to me. I think that's the whole. Well, that is a problem. And it needs to be changed.

00:51:52.680 Like and people need to and the only way to really change that is through more conversations,

00:51:59.400 more people being like, look, I'm going to take a risk. And I'm going to have these conversations

00:52:05.720 that are dangerous. And what I have noticed is like, like, I have chosen to speak like and I've

00:52:11.320 chosen to speak to people of different ideologies. I've chosen to speak to my, my own groups and,

00:52:17.320 and speak on sort of dangerous topics. And, and it's like, honestly, it's, it was scary at first,

00:52:25.160 and then you feel more and more comfortable over time. But it also other people feel like

00:52:30.760 after you do that after a while, it feels less so, but also other people then feel more comfortable

00:52:36.040 to be honest around you. Yeah. And now I feel like way, like I'll do it in, in all sorts of spaces.

00:52:43.800 And actually it's like, it's, it's way more fine than people think.

00:52:47.480 It's a cult. Wokeness is a cult. The left has been dominated by a cult. They have, they, I mean,

00:52:54.440 they have original sin. I'm really fascinated by this. Privilege is original sin. It's a non,

00:52:59.080 Peter Boghossian talks about this. It's a non-theistic religion. It follows so much of,

00:53:03.880 you know, back in the day when you have this like atheist movement, the complaints many of them had

00:53:09.560 was specifically about the cult-like adherence to certain moral orthodoxies, which now is

00:53:15.720 the left. It like, it explains it. The fear of being an apostate is...

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00:54:45.880 This is remarkable. The the so here's we're talking about a little bit before the show.

00:54:53.800 I think Tim cast is a perfectly centrist show, right? Perfectly centrist in the people we have on

00:55:01.960 in the opinions of the of the the principal individuals of it. Conservatives would disagree

00:55:08.600 and agree at the same time. They'd probably say, well, you're fairly liberal, Tim, but I see what

00:55:12.040 you're saying. The left would say absolutely not. You're a right winger, period. End of story,

00:55:16.760 because to the left, there is no center. You're either on the left or you're a right winger to the

00:55:21.400 right. You could be on the left. You could be center. You could be a political because there's

00:55:25.640 an honest debate and there's a cult. Yeah. And I said that I felt like you were kind of more a little

00:55:32.280 bit more right leaning as opposed to and that and that's because you're either on the left or you're on

00:55:37.960 the right. But to people on the right, you know, it's like I'll sit down with. But I don't view

00:55:42.840 things like that. So I don't know. I don't think I because I'm like categorizing you as like, oh, my

00:55:48.360 God, you have to be on this and that. I could see somebody being on the center. So I don't think I'm

00:55:53.160 being that like just unfair. So so I mean, you might see it that way, which we you know, we'll we'll talk

00:56:00.360 about the facts. And because we do, we're right wing. End of story. That's that's I don't think that's a

00:56:05.720 fair. But it's literally right wing on. I think the things that I've seen is like,

00:56:12.520 it's probably like a lot. I think a lot of where I was disagreeing is probably the the trans

00:56:19.080 conversations. And where do you think I'm liberal or left on? Um, I think you're I think like abortion.

00:56:27.480 Centrist. Having some opinions that are right, some opinions that are left would be centrist.

00:56:31.480 This is this is this is my point. Fine. You got me. You got me there. But but look,

00:56:36.520 so what we see in the culture war is if you deviate from the left in any way,

00:56:41.400 you are automatically right wing no matter what you can be a a socialist like like Jimmy

00:56:46.680 door advocates for hard socialist like medicine and tax policy and then says something about like

00:56:54.200 vaccine mandates, they call him right wing. You get Steve Bannon is the is my favorite example.

00:57:01.720 The dude sounds like he's preaching Occupy Wall Street. Steve Bannon says tax the rich wealth tax

00:57:08.680 right now. These people are ripping you off. We and I'm like, Steve, that's actually economically

00:57:14.600 left of you. And he's like, it's populist, whatever. And he'll say it to every conservative.

00:57:18.440 It might also be. You know what? It might also be because the guests that you have on. But I will

00:57:23.080 also note that it's probably because also it's harder to get people on who are in a cult or in

00:57:28.920 a cult. So so and I'm being purposefully derisive in that. But the the prominent personalities on the

00:57:36.440 left, you argue they do not represent the left very well, right? Like they hold the extremist views.

00:57:41.320 Yeah. There you go. I mean, how do we how do we get on a more moderate? You know what? I got to be

00:57:48.440 completely honest. I would make any bet that if you take, you know, we'll use Emma as an example.

00:57:55.720 Sorry, Emma, but you're just on the show. She did not know Joe Biden on camera said you're not

00:58:02.200 getting the money unless you fire the prosecutor. She didn't even know that happened. How can we have

00:58:06.200 a con? And she didn't understand moral philosophy either. So how can you have a political debate

00:58:11.240 with someone who doesn't understand basic moral philosophies and doesn't know things are happening

00:58:15.480 in the world? It's impossible. So you'll end up with grifters. A lot of the the prominent left

00:58:22.560 personalities hold contradictory or nonsensical positions because it's just the right thing to

00:58:28.080 say. I think Hassan Piker is a really great example in that I literally made a video agreeing with him

00:58:33.600 on Mr. Beast. And then I elaborated that, you know, in in I said, why are we spending a hundred

00:58:40.320 billion dollars in Ukraine when for one hundred thousand dollars we can cure people's blindness?

00:58:44.980 And he mocked me for saying we shouldn't spend money on foreign intervention. I'm like, I'm a

00:58:50.840 I'm a I'm agree with Hassan talks about how the military industrial complex is a bad thing.

00:58:55.740 I literally agree with him. And he and he mocks me for he laughs at me because there's no moral

00:59:00.460 position among these high profile individuals. It is literally just I'm going to say thing that is

00:59:05.300 popular on left. And if you have a moral position, you're not allowed to be a talking head for the

00:59:10.600 left. Well, yeah, I mean, I think the problem is more so. So while I I will I probably disagree with

00:59:19.220 you on on your views on Ukraine, that's another one. But I think that but I think in general,

00:59:24.680 the problem is more so you can disagree or you might not even know something. You might miss

00:59:29.320 something. But the problem more so to me is that taking a such a strong position on something where

00:59:35.640 you're not able to be flexible with your views, because I think the problem is like, well, there's

00:59:40.360 certain things that I'm just not flexible on at all. I'm not flexible on trans kids at all.

00:59:45.420 OK, and and that's totally not flexible. I understand that. But I also think that it's

00:59:50.100 it's OK to sometimes like for me, I'm OK to change my mind on certain things or I can hear an argument

00:59:56.120 that's like really compelling on some particular topic. And I'm like, OK, you know what? I've

01:00:01.780 changed my mind. Or maybe there's like a blind spot that I have. Like there's some like I don't

01:00:06.740 know, you brought up January 6th. And I and I said, you know, I the reason I like look, there's some

01:00:12.280 things I just don't know that much about it. There's information that I'm missing. So I don't have

01:00:17.080 like a really strong view. Like, OK, I don't think it's an insurrection, but I think it's a riot,

01:00:22.080 whatever. But there's also things that I don't know about it that you might have compelling

01:00:26.980 information that I just have blind spots. So I don't have a very strong view on things where I

01:00:31.560 don't have complete information. So why Ukraine then? Why Ukraine? Because, well, I have like

01:00:38.540 additional background. Like so a I I was born there. So. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. So. So I is an amazing

01:00:44.960 country. I love it. Yeah. So I mean, I actually have criticisms of Ukraine itself. But like and I and I

01:00:51.800 think this is a complex new one situation. I also I speak Russian. So like I I've listened

01:00:59.620 to a lot of like the Russian propaganda inside the country. So I think a lot of the positions

01:01:04.240 for me that are being propagated within the U.S. are are kind of incorrect because of what

01:01:11.700 I hear specifically being told to the Russian people or being told by Putin. So there's like

01:01:16.200 a lot there. It's this is like a whole topic there. I think you can take some positions about

01:01:21.860 intervention that are fair to take. Like you might be like just against like as an American,

01:01:27.760 you could be like, I just don't think America should be involved. And I think that's fair.

01:01:32.980 Like I'm not going to say I think that's fair. Like I do take a little bit of a different position

01:01:40.000 because I think sometimes like you want to take the like America because I think because

01:01:45.920 of the Budapest Memorandum in particular, because America did make a commitment. So that's why I

01:01:51.420 think it does owe a particular allegiance to Ukraine because of that commitment in particular.

01:01:57.700 But that's not why that wasn't. Well, I think I think there are some reasons that I think I don't

01:02:02.600 think America is doing it because of their own like because they're so good and kind. I think they

01:02:08.000 have their own interests. But those are not necessarily bad interests. I don't think it's

01:02:13.240 because like NATO expansionism is really the reason that Putin went to war with Ukraine or went to to

01:02:19.060 get Ukraine. So I don't think that narrative is quite accurate personally. Partially. I mean,

01:02:23.760 it can have. I think it has. I think that's a very small excuse for why he did it.

01:02:30.500 So why do you think he did it? Well, I mean, he talks about it. So it says it's not like I have to

01:02:35.920 guess at it. So there is an imperialistic element to it. And I think he wants strategic

01:02:41.360 and he wants strategically like there's areas of Ukraine that he wants. He wants all of it.

01:02:46.440 He does express it. They've made the argument that Ukraine was always Russia and that it never

01:02:51.660 should have. They never should have lost it after the fall of the Soviet Union. He does say that.

01:02:55.040 But the the granular view of it is.

01:02:58.860 Like would he settle for it less? Maybe like he'll take everything he can take. He'll take

01:03:05.120 everything. Yeah. He wants the Soviet Union back. Correct. But U.S. involvement. It's it's this it's

01:03:10.760 this large geopolitical picture well beyond just Ukraine and its borders. And it and it goes back.

01:03:16.680 You could you could reduce the history of the conflict. Thousands. It all goes back. It's all

01:03:21.580 connected. So the starting point is always going to be further down the road. Someone right now could

01:03:26.320 say Putin invaded because he's a tyrant. And it's like, well, actually, there's this issue.

01:03:30.480 So if we take a look at. But you can do that with any country. That's what I'm saying. Right. So the

01:03:35.040 real issue is that the West has been in conflict with the East. Like it's really where it comes down

01:03:39.320 to. Yeah. My view of it for the most part is there there seems to be no solution because

01:03:46.000 you get the Soviet air. You get 70 years of of, you know, the communist expansion, the West opposing it

01:03:52.000 for obvious reasons. There's a proxy wars happening all over the place after the fall of the

01:03:56.180 Soviet Union. The now Russian government takes a certain view over what over what is theirs and

01:04:00.980 what is right. You mentioned the Budapest agreement. The U.S. has to come to the aid of Ukraine in the

01:04:05.460 event of conflict. Then you get I think the largest component of this is less about that, more about

01:04:11.680 energy. The I talk about all the time, the Qatar Turkey pipeline, the Western powers trying to offset

01:04:18.220 the gas prime gas monopoly through Ukraine. Hence, you get Hunter Biden and a CIA terror, CIA director

01:04:23.140 on the board of Burisma. The goal is to facilitate the bringing in natural gas and other forms of

01:04:29.580 energy into Europe so that it can reduce costs and allow European expansion because Europe as a block

01:04:35.680 wants to compete and defeat the Chinese economic block. The bigger picture in this, I believe, is not

01:04:41.900 so much that Putin is just like taking over land that NATO is expanding for obvious reasons. Russia,

01:04:47.700 we don't care about. We're concerned with China. Russia is perceivably the immediate threat to the

01:04:53.760 West because Russia is our current obstacle in the bigger picture of China. We want Ukraine because we

01:05:00.000 want to control the gas. We want to shut down the gas prime gas monopoly. Hence, the frogmen or whoever

01:05:04.540 blew up Nord Stream 2 or whatever. But I bring all this up just to point out, you talk to the average

01:05:09.160 person on the conflict in Eastern Europe. They have no idea. Yeah. Literally any of it. Sure. The degree of

01:05:14.180 corruption that the West is engaged in to try and win a conflict is vomitous. And I'll go back to

01:05:20.960 what you said. Sacrificing your principles to win is pointless because then you're just adopting the

01:05:24.840 principles that you're claiming you don't represent. In the end, this conflict, there is no moral.

01:05:30.800 There is no principles. There's only power. The West will lie, cheat and steal, engage in all sorts of

01:05:35.100 evil to gain more power so that they win and that we can have more comfort than the Russians.

01:05:38.880 But everything is put just on the West. This is what kind of bothers me about it is just the West

01:05:44.020 and every like there's so many people also cheering for Putin, which kind of I find just kind of

01:05:49.820 reprehensible. And I find that and I find that Ukraine's kind of own, you know, Ukraine is also

01:05:57.120 making its own decision. And I think the conversation is often takes Ukraine out of it as if the U.S.

01:06:02.320 runs everything. And I don't think that's correct. Because if you talk to people in Ukraine,

01:06:06.200 they have their own views on on this, right, on this conflict and what they want. And by the way,

01:06:11.420 I don't even necessarily agree that strategically it makes because I don't know if that's going to end

01:06:17.380 up in the best outcome in terms of people's lives. But they have their own view and they have and

01:06:22.740 they're the ones who are living in this country and that they're the ones whose lives are at stake

01:06:26.480 here. So ultimately, it is their decision to make and decide. And so I think often in the conflict,

01:06:33.100 people talk about it as if it's all U.S. and and also and I also Putin uses a lot of kind of

01:06:40.360 speaking a wokeness, right? He uses a lot of like propaganda in the sense of like, you know,

01:06:45.640 he's fighting for, you know, anti-wokeness.

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01:08:16.540 Yeah, which is complete bullshit. I mean, and in particular, like Russia has zero threat of wokeness

01:08:23.900 and within the country, these are not people who are neither does Ukraine, by the way, like you

01:08:28.200 neither Ukraine or Russia. Ukraine's got a Nazi problem. Yeah. So does Russia. So does Russia.

01:08:32.280 But I mean, I mean, Zelensky was just meeting with Greta Thunberg. And see, this is the narrative

01:08:36.420 too that kind of pisses me off because yes, yes, Ukraine has some Nazis. So does Russia has a lot,

01:08:42.400 frankly, more Nazis. But, but people are like, well, we send money to Ukraine. We don't send money

01:08:47.800 to Russia. Okay, fair enough. But, but both countries have their own like issues with this stuff,

01:08:52.720 right? But it's not, but it's not like we're not talking about like Nazis walking around all the

01:09:00.060 time. Like there's stuff, but it's like, but it gets so fun to talk about for people, you know, but

01:09:06.640 that's not the main issues. My last thought on this is just because it is a bit esoteric and dry to

01:09:13.400 talk about war and stuff. But isn't it fascinating? The left has become the pro-war faction. Yes. But see,

01:09:18.340 but that's not fair to characterize it as pro-war. And then, and then the right, and then people are

01:09:23.180 like, no, we are anti-war. This is not what you can't say. This is, this is how it's positioned.

01:09:27.480 This is kind of, this is what bothers me. Okay. Because first of all, I'm not pro-war, for example,

01:09:32.540 right? I don't want war. Hold on. Do you support the U.S. and offering supplies to the Ukrainians to

01:09:38.960 engage in war and conflict? Yes. You're pro-war. That's pro-war. No, no, it's not. And let me,

01:09:43.160 I mean, come on. Can I explain? Not sophistry. No, no. Can I explain why? Sure. You're going to say that we're

01:09:46.920 trying to stop a war. So we're financing war to stop a war. It's like nonsense. Well, no, because

01:09:50.820 what happens if you don't provide these weapons of defense for Ukraine? Russia would have walked

01:09:57.780 in. There would have been very minimal death. They would have taken the Donbass in Crimea and

01:10:00.860 that's the end of it. Well, just, just Donbass in Crimea? Really? Yeah. No. That's where the

01:10:05.280 conflict is happening. I mean, look, you can, even you've said that, that Putin wants more. Yes. Yeah. So

01:10:09.840 how do you negotiate? Because if, because if the ultimate goal to stop war is negotiation,

01:10:14.860 right? How, how can Ukraine negotiate with Putin in good faith with any kind of position of power,

01:10:22.260 if they have no power to fight back? You, you, the, the argument that because someone else would

01:10:27.800 engage in war, we must engage in war, but I oppose war is it's your pro-war. No. Like that makes no

01:10:34.100 sense. Do you support being involved in the war? That's what pro-war means, right? I'm not saying

01:10:41.080 that you want war to happen all over the place. That's called, like you need, you, you, you're

01:10:44.980 saying let's not give people a chance to defend themselves against a much larger country with

01:10:51.020 many more resources. We are not Ukraine. They can defend themselves all they want and it's none of

01:10:56.900 our business. But again, but we just went back to the Budapest Memorandum, right? Yep. We,

01:11:01.620 the U S is a U S not keeping its word. I am anti-war even in terms of the U S. So you believe

01:11:08.120 that the U S should not keep their word? Yes. Yes. The, the, uh, a generation can,

01:11:15.100 nobody should ever. So nobody should ever, but I will tell you, uh, the, the best, uh, Sean, uh,

01:11:21.580 Fitzgerald mentioned this Ron Paul's statement last week, a generation cannot promise the sons of the

01:11:26.800 future generation. You do not get to go and say, trust us. The next wave of people in this country

01:11:32.700 will die for you. No way. No, I'm not, I'm not interested. And, and for what to, to, uh, Russia's

01:11:40.920 economy is, is relatively small. What we're really looking for is making incremental gains for, for the

01:11:47.000 European union. We are not the European union. And I do not agree with the U S imperialist expansion

01:11:51.440 to be a unipolar dominant force. So Germany would have been okay to people were like just to die,

01:11:57.720 like during the Holocaust and stuff like that too. Right. There's a bigger quest. You want to

01:12:02.500 invade China right now? Don't want to invite because of the, because the Uyghur Muslims, right? There's

01:12:06.840 a, there's a, there's a big question about the expansion of like a, a, a rogue state or like what

01:12:12.440 the Nazis were doing and, and, and even the Soviet union, very, very difficult questions. So I'm not

01:12:17.480 like an absolutist in terms of there can never be war. I'm saying in most circumstances, I believe

01:12:23.940 war should be the last option no matter what. And I believe that Biden and the West wanted war

01:12:29.380 and they fanned the flames of it to give it a casus belli for, for removing Putin and, and

01:12:35.420 eventually occupying and shutting down Russia. See, if Biden gets blamed, but Putin doesn't get

01:12:41.380 blamed. It's interesting. The guy who actually did the invasion. What do you mean he doesn't get

01:12:44.720 I'm not, I didn't even, I'm not understanding. What do you mean? Well, like, like Biden is the

01:12:50.740 guy. I'm saying the Western intelligence agencies are sitting there thinking, how do we remove

01:12:59.960 Vladimir Putin? We have no cause. We have no justification for an incursion to remove this guy.

01:13:06.220 We need a casus belli. So you do things to force or to create the tensions or to exacerbate and then

01:13:15.620 finance the war, creating a justification now for actually going into Russia. Now they can remove

01:13:21.540 Putin or get Putin removed. They can destabilize the nation. How are they going to? Okay. So the idea

01:13:26.060 of removing Putin even like, there's no successor to Putin. So what, what would a, what do you mean

01:13:31.760 successor? There's no successor to Putin. Right. They want to just destroy it. To what, to do what?

01:13:37.800 What do you mean? To get, to get rid of the command structure of Russia. So there'd be no,

01:13:41.340 there'd be no president of Russia. Someone will gain control like oligarchs or something will happen,

01:13:46.220 or the West will, will find someone more favorable. What's the evidence of that though? The evidence of

01:13:51.120 specifically that that that's what the U S wants, that the U S wants to remove Russia. Yeah. They've

01:13:56.320 outright said it publicly. Like Hillary Clinton has said, who was it? Joe Biden said, we want to

01:14:01.600 remove Vladimir Putin. Like they've publicly declared their intention. My point is this, uh,

01:14:09.440 if you think the U S should be sending arms to a foreign country that is not the U S you support war.

01:14:17.760 I don't understand why it's so hard to just be like, yes, I'm absolutely in favor. I support defense.

01:14:22.560 It's not the same thing. I don't think those, I think that's a false equivalency. Then we'll call

01:14:27.600 it, you support this war. I support a country being able to defend itself to engage in an active,

01:14:34.800 like in an active defense. Right. So, okay, let's, let's break down the United States to fund it.

01:14:40.000 What does it mean to be pro war? Let's not even bother with whatever you think that might mean.

01:14:44.240 I will just say it plainly. You support sending weapons to Ukraine.

01:14:49.360 I do. There we go to libertarians and to anti-interventionists that is pro war because

01:14:55.680 our view, I disagree with that framing, but you know, you can, do you see people can reframe it

01:15:01.120 however they want, but I disagree with my view is pro war means to actively engage in a, in this kind

01:15:08.000 of conflict. I believe the solution, uh, is negotiation. I do believe that if Donald Trump is elected,

01:15:12.800 not a, you can't just do, you can't, well, Donald Trump believes that he can too.

01:15:16.720 We're talking about, we're talking about sending billions, because what Donald Trump will do,

01:15:21.200 he'll pressure Ukraine and he'll say, and, and put, basically, Putin will just take whatever

01:15:26.480 areas he wants and Ukraine will have zero power to negotiate. Will the fighting stop?

01:15:29.600 Not my problem. Will the fighting stop?

01:15:33.040 Sure. So you support a circumstance in which more people fight and die. And I support

01:15:37.120 a circumstance in which less people fight and die. Pro war versus anti-war.

01:15:40.960 So, but you're basically, hey, Russia can go in and take whatever they want.

01:15:45.440 It's a bit of a, a bit of a straw man explanation.

01:15:47.840 Not really.

01:15:48.640 My solution is the one that results in the least amount of death.

01:15:51.840 And if you've got active conflict going on.

01:15:53.600 But you're also saying any, at any point, anybody can go in and take whatever they want.

01:15:58.240 That's a bit absolutist. I didn't say that.

01:16:00.480 Well, there's an active conflict between Russia and Ukraine right now.

01:16:04.160 And the solution is the least amount of people dying.

01:16:07.680 So, less people can go and die, but like, you're taking away the autonomy of a country.

01:16:13.360 Yeah, I oppose war. I would seek to end the war by any means.

01:16:16.160 So you don't mind if Russia, and you are in favor of war.

01:16:17.840 So you don't mind if a country, if, if, if Russia came in.

01:16:21.200 I don't mind, come on, these are not the arguments we're making.

01:16:22.480 Okay, so.

01:16:23.200 It's obviously bad that Putin did this. How do we stop the fighting the bloodshed?

01:16:26.640 Okay, so.

01:16:27.360 That means Ukraine and Russia will each lose something.

01:16:29.920 It would be preferable to you, for example, if, if Russia, if there was a war between,

01:16:35.200 say, Russia, a conflict between Russia and the US, and wherever you live right now,

01:16:41.680 came in and Russia, you know, because to stop the fighting,

01:16:45.920 Russia took whatever, wherever you live right now, that would be preferable.

01:16:49.520 You are saying that I, as an individual, seeing my own land invaded.

01:16:53.600 Yes.

01:16:54.160 Okay, that is not the same thing as the US sending armaments 5,000 miles to engage

01:17:00.000 in a conflict of the nation we're not at war with.

01:17:01.760 Okay.

01:17:02.160 Big difference.

01:17:03.280 Okay.

01:17:03.920 If, if, if Russia invaded US soil, I call for a draft.

01:17:07.680 I'd say it is the duty of every American to defend our land from a foreign invasion.

01:17:13.040 You have to protect your territory.

01:17:14.640 Ukraine absolutely.

01:17:15.520 But you just said that this is about lives.

01:17:18.480 You'd rather see less lives lost in Ukraine.

01:17:22.240 Right?

01:17:23.040 Yeah.

01:17:23.360 So that you are pro war in this situation, but you're against war in the other situation.

01:17:28.000 So I, the US is not Ukraine.

01:17:30.080 Do you understand?

01:17:32.480 Do you understand the US is not Ukraine?

01:17:34.160 They're two different countries.

01:17:34.960 Yes, I do.

01:17:35.520 I understand.

01:17:35.760 That Ukraine is 5,000 some odd miles from us.

01:17:38.000 Right.

01:17:38.400 We don't live there.

01:17:39.280 We don't own that.

01:17:39.920 So why do you, but, but, but you made the argument that, that Ukraine was about lives.

01:17:43.920 If it was about my home, I will defend it as people should.

01:17:48.080 The, the, I would, I would not expect Japan to defend the United States in the event.

01:17:52.640 We may have allies who come to our aid.

01:17:54.400 That's a bigger picture.

01:17:55.440 I would actually disagree.

01:17:56.800 I'd say that's not a, that's, that's a different conflict.

01:17:59.120 Okay, sure.

01:17:59.680 No, I, I understand that distinction.

01:18:01.440 The solution here.

01:18:02.160 However, but you still said previously that it is about lives lost, right?

01:18:06.640 Mm-hmm.

01:18:07.040 Partially.

01:18:08.480 So I don't quite.

01:18:09.280 Okay.

01:18:09.600 So partially.

01:18:10.240 I mean, yeah, like you're making a bunch of absolutist,

01:18:11.920 absolutist statements and strongman arguments.

01:18:13.840 I don't think they're strongmen.

01:18:14.960 The simple picture is we are not Ukraine.

01:18:17.680 We have no business with Ukraine.

01:18:19.680 Yeah.

01:18:20.000 Which is, those are separate arguments.

01:18:21.760 And the solution to this problem of the war is to be like, let's stop it now before it

01:18:27.120 goes nuclear, because I believe Putin will use nukes.

01:18:30.160 He will not give up power.

01:18:31.520 Okay.

01:18:31.760 So, but that's a different argument.

01:18:33.040 Let's end the war.

01:18:34.160 Yeah.

01:18:34.320 So you're, if you're, if you're worried about nukes and you're worried about escalation

01:18:39.520 because you're worried about nukes and consequences to you or the U.S.

01:18:43.280 Fine.

01:18:43.600 That's a different argument.

01:18:45.760 You can make that argument.

01:18:46.960 That's a different argument though.

01:18:48.320 That lives lost.

01:18:48.800 Why don't we have war in Sudan?

01:18:50.720 I don't know.

01:18:51.280 Your position would, would, would mandate the U.S. be involved in every war on the planet.

01:18:56.960 No, because if, if they, for me.

01:18:59.280 Just, just, just the weird one thing that for some reason you agree with.

01:19:02.800 No, no, no.

01:19:03.360 Because of their ideologically.

01:19:04.640 No, because, no, because of the Budapish memorandum.

01:19:07.520 Should we be at war in Syria?

01:19:09.040 No.

01:19:10.480 Why though?

01:19:10.880 I don't understand.

01:19:12.480 Budapish memorandum.

01:19:13.360 If that didn't exist, I would say you have the right to your claim.

01:19:18.560 So, so it's not about supporting people.

01:19:21.440 Otherwise I would say, listen, because of my own personal feelings, I'm like, oh, I would

01:19:26.320 rather the U.S. be supporting Ukraine, but I would take your argument that the U.S.

01:19:33.280 shouldn't be involved because like, you know, you don't want to be involved in any wars and

01:19:38.160 around the conflicts around the world.

01:19:39.680 And that's fine.

01:19:40.240 I would, I would, I would be completely fine with that argument.

01:19:43.280 Okay.

01:19:44.640 And in general, I'm, I'm not super like keen on the U.S. being involved in operations

01:19:49.840 around the world.

01:19:50.560 Well, I'll, I'll wrap this up.

01:19:51.680 Otherwise we just go in circle.

01:19:52.480 But my point was simply that the left is in favor of a foreign intervention right now.

01:19:58.240 The right is opposed to it, which is interesting because 20 years ago was the inversion.

01:20:02.720 It was the right in this country saying we got to do the right thing.

01:20:05.360 And the left being like, no war.

01:20:06.720 Yeah.

01:20:07.200 Although to be fair, that was all lies because Obama was like, I'm going to end the war.

01:20:11.360 And then he gets in, he's like, we're sending more troops.

01:20:13.040 Yes.

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01:21:52.240 who would you rather have babysit your children, Nazis or transgenders with 28,251 votes?

01:22:00.080 People voted 93.7% for Nazis to babysit their children. 6.3 voted for transgender.

01:22:10.000 Wow. I say, wow, because I would have voted for transgender.

01:22:14.000 I would have not voted for Nazi, but there is a big discussion about this.

01:22:17.200 I think I would have said, why are there only Nazi and transgender babysitters?

01:22:23.280 Yes, obviously, you know, someone might say, like, I'd rather have like neither or whatever,

01:22:28.400 but given these two options.

01:22:30.240 Do you think that many people actually would prefer Nazis or they're trying to make the results of the poll more radical?

01:22:37.520 I mean, of course, the poll was meant to be radical and edgy.

01:22:40.880 However, I think that to me showed something.

01:22:44.640 And I was quite pissed off, actually, at this poll, because to me, it's like, okay, we know Nazis are bad, right?

01:22:52.480 Transgender, because obviously it was tying it in with this kind of idea that transgenders are somehow dangerous to children.

01:23:00.720 And whereas there isn't really that, but I don't know that this is a good reflection,

01:23:08.720 because people will use this and say, look how crazy the right is.

01:23:11.920 They'd rather have Nazis watch their children than trans people.

01:23:14.480 But one, I think people are probably answering that poll disingenuously.

01:23:19.200 And two, the definition of Nazi is anything that's slightly right wing now.

01:23:24.160 So that could be it. I mean, if the if the presumption on the people who are taking the poll is that Nazi just means right winger,

01:23:30.800 because the left it does according to the left.

01:23:33.280 I mean, yeah, I'm sure some people might have.

01:23:36.000 But I think overall, I do think it meant Nazi in the sense of Nazi.

01:23:41.200 Like, obviously, it was meant to be like edgy, funny kind of poll.

01:23:45.680 I'm sure it wasn't like that.

01:23:47.040 What would you vote for?

01:23:47.680 But transgender.

01:23:48.960 There's an interesting conversation around this in that.

01:23:54.160 Think about it for two seconds.

01:23:55.600 Let's take the stereotypical depiction of a Nazi and a stereotypical depiction of a trans person.

01:24:02.000 And perhaps that's how people perceive it.

01:24:04.560 A person who is a Nazi, you might not know they're a Nazi.

01:24:07.440 In fact, I'm sure most people who voted in this poll who have kids and have babysitters don't know their babysitter has horrible political views.

01:24:16.160 Never came up.

01:24:17.280 So there's a question around, you know, you might go to a coffee shop and buy a bagel from a Nazi and not even know it.

01:24:24.240 However, when it comes to someone who's trans, they're typically discernibly transgender.

01:24:28.800 Meaning that the child, a child being babysat by a Nazi, the family might not even know.

01:24:34.960 The person who is trans, the family will know.

01:24:37.680 So there's an interesting thing there.

01:24:39.740 Me personally, I don't think there is an issue.

01:24:44.800 Like, I'd be more concerned about a Nazi slipping in political things because they have an ideological bent as opposed to a trans person just being trans.

01:24:52.560 I don't know, you know.

01:24:53.380 So, but there's an argument there too.

01:24:56.360 The average person in the trans movement is going to hold gender ideology values.

01:25:00.740 And the question is, we can't assume in the debate either of them would do anything untoward to your children.

01:25:09.620 In which case, it simply becomes a guy with the sides of his head shaved and slick to the side wearing a suit and a male or female who is discernibly taking and modifying their body in some way.

01:25:23.160 I think that's why people chose Nazi.

01:25:27.520 I also, I think it's also people just would rather have a more entertaining outcome on that poll.

01:25:33.600 For sure.

01:25:34.040 So, I think there's a...

01:25:35.320 A more entertaining outcome.

01:25:36.420 So, but I, things like this are going to be used to say, oh my God, look, all conservatives would rather have Nazis watch their children because they think all transgender people...

01:25:45.440 Hold on, Tower Gang is not a conservative.

01:25:48.260 They're...

01:25:48.640 Do you know who probably found that?

01:25:51.420 I did.

01:25:52.280 Conservatives?

01:25:53.160 But why would you make that assumption?

01:25:54.440 We don't know that.

01:25:55.140 They're probably trolling.

01:25:55.660 I would be interested to see the quote tweets on that.

01:25:57.800 I think maybe...

01:25:58.460 I quote tweeted it.

01:25:59.200 I disagree.

01:25:59.960 It was the left that retweeted it and chose Nazis.

01:26:03.460 Well, I...

01:26:04.060 Ironically.

01:26:04.700 We don't know.

01:26:05.320 We don't know.

01:26:06.260 The Tower Gang guys aren't staunch conservatives.

01:26:08.540 I don't think that 93% of these 28,000 people would actually choose Nazis.

01:26:14.000 I just don't.

01:26:15.200 I don't.

01:26:15.980 It was at 95 when I first found this.

01:26:18.880 And I don't know.

01:26:19.860 It pissed me off to be honest.

01:26:21.900 And it's just the fact that that question was even asked.

01:26:24.660 It did trigger me, I will say.

01:26:27.880 I will admit to that.

01:26:28.960 But that's the goal of it, right?

01:26:30.500 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:30.660 Because they do this as bait to say, look, you know, they think that all trans people are a danger to children.

01:26:36.460 And that's what they use it as fodder.

01:26:38.520 What would you choose?

01:26:39.700 But a lot of people do say that trans people are dangerous to children.

01:26:42.820 That's the problem.

01:26:43.960 Would you rather have a trans person or a Nazi babysit your kids?

01:26:46.920 Obviously, I'd rather have a trans person babysit my child.

01:26:50.320 And I would, you know, I'd choose a Blair White.

01:26:53.780 Yeah, Blair's fantastic.

01:26:54.600 I was thinking about it.

01:26:55.080 I was like, I would absolutely choose one of my friends over a Nazi.

01:26:59.320 But again, definition of Nazi.

01:27:01.100 You're considered a Nazi.

01:27:02.340 I'm considered a Nazi.

01:27:03.440 You said you were called a Nazi.

01:27:05.040 Apparently, I have.

01:27:06.220 Yeah.

01:27:07.460 What does that even mean anymore?

01:27:09.220 You know, I was called a Nazi, by the way, for challenging Project Veritas.

01:27:13.380 Like, yeah, everyone at this table has been called a Nazi.

01:27:18.900 It means bad guy.

01:27:20.020 But, you know, I think this is the other thing with trans people.

01:27:24.360 Like what happens a lot of times, too, is like the people that get kind of elevated.

01:27:31.740 Right.

01:27:32.140 So you'll have certain people.

01:27:34.780 Again, you'll get like the really crazy people elevated.

01:27:39.840 Right.

01:27:40.080 And then you have a lot of like really normal trans people who have very like moderate views

01:27:46.440 and they don't get showcased at all.

01:27:49.260 So when people talk about trans people, they think they're just.

01:27:52.940 Yeah.

01:27:53.340 This is my point.

01:27:54.240 It's just Dylan Mulvaney.

01:27:55.280 No, I agree.

01:27:56.140 That's why.

01:27:56.820 And that's actually more damaging, I would say.

01:27:59.080 That's the more damaging thing, I guess, about somebody like Dylan Mulvaney than it is

01:28:03.500 about Dylan Mulvaney being a Bud Light ad.

01:28:06.940 This is probably why people chose Nazi.

01:28:09.240 Because they're not imagining Blair White.

01:28:11.660 They're imagining Dylan Mulvaney.

01:28:13.020 And they're like, I do not want whatever that is around my kids.

01:28:16.460 Hiking heels in the forest and singing about having a bulge.

01:28:19.600 If you if if let's let's.

01:28:21.700 I'm sorry.

01:28:22.800 I'm sorry.

01:28:23.180 I still can't get over that.

01:28:24.320 This is this is the act.

01:28:26.280 And this is the damage of Dylan Mulvaney.

01:28:28.040 And the left's knee jerk defense of this polarizing and offensive individual.

01:28:35.820 I'm willing to bet with the Bud Light stuff, when people think of trans person, they think

01:28:40.280 of the worst examples like super ma'am.

01:28:42.400 Remember super ma'am?

01:28:43.500 Yes.

01:28:44.000 Six foot some tall male.

01:28:45.620 It's smashing things in a store because a nervous, you know, 20 something year old

01:28:50.380 guy had no idea what was going on.

01:28:51.920 They see things like that in Dylan Mulvaney.

01:28:54.040 So the question is, who would you rather have babysit your children?

01:28:57.140 They imagine a guy wearing a polo shirt and they're like, what's he talking about?

01:29:01.560 Is he doing just a guy in a polo shirt?

01:29:02.940 But people need to also do better about a not amplifying these like and and that is

01:29:08.840 something that is done, you know, on purpose by certain entities.

01:29:14.020 And yeah, I agree.

01:29:15.760 It shouldn't be defended, but also it is intentionally amplified because it is rage bait.

01:29:21.140 But here's a point I wanted to make.

01:29:22.880 Yeah.

01:29:23.640 When when as you pointed out, when everyone's a Nazi, the left argues.

01:29:27.240 You have a video of Richard Spencer getting punched in D.C.

01:29:29.720 It's a guy wearing a suit and someone punches him and they say, that's what Nazis look like.

01:29:34.020 If the image people call up in their mind of Nazi is a guy wearing a suit and transgender

01:29:40.860 as Dylan Mulvaney singing about having a bulge.

01:29:42.740 I'm not surprised people chose Nazi.

01:29:44.820 That's the fault of the left for for engaging in that narrative.

01:29:49.740 It's also the fault of the reality for magnifying Dylan Mulvaney.

01:29:54.660 The right didn't magnify it.

01:29:56.000 Tick Tock and the left did.

01:29:57.620 No.

01:29:57.740 10 million plus followers.

01:29:59.280 Yes.

01:29:59.580 10 million followers.

01:30:00.380 OK, but it's both because for that, Dylan Mulvaney.

01:30:02.900 Spencer had like 60,000 followers.

01:30:04.660 OK, but all anybody talks about on the right is also Dylan Mulvaney.

01:30:07.940 They don't amplify it.

01:30:08.840 Like I found so many interesting trans people, including like say Blair White.

01:30:11.600 I mean, Blair White's pretty popular on the right.

01:30:13.720 Yeah, which they do magnify.

01:30:15.340 But there's also all sorts of other kind of more left leaning.

01:30:18.320 If you're trans and you're on the left, you are not allowed to be amplified if you hold

01:30:23.980 more centrist positions.

01:30:25.280 But why are the right not amplifying?

01:30:28.560 They go out of their way to hide detransitioners.

01:30:31.380 Wait, wait, wait.

01:30:31.760 The right does amplify Blair White.

01:30:34.040 They do amplify Blair White, but only Blair White.

01:30:36.300 Like I don't see other.

01:30:37.080 Because Blair White agrees with their opinions on politics.

01:30:39.460 Correct.

01:30:39.900 But I thought you said they were amplifying Dylan Mulvaney.

01:30:42.320 No, they're also amplifying Dylan Mulvaney.

01:30:44.200 More so than Blair White.

01:30:45.260 Why doesn't the left?

01:30:46.740 Hold on.

01:30:47.360 But there's also like I have, for example, I found a few other people who are trans who

01:30:51.820 are not like right leaning necessarily, but have like pretty very moderate views, maybe

01:30:57.600 more but more left leaning, kind of moderate.

01:31:00.040 And I have actually posted some things by those people.

01:31:03.120 And, you know, and I've had people mostly positive reactions.

01:31:06.640 Right.

01:31:07.080 But those people are generally not amplified.

01:31:08.780 And you're right.

01:31:09.360 They get kind of attacked a little more.

01:31:11.880 Contra points is a good example.

01:31:13.180 And they're not allowed to.

01:31:14.260 So they the left goes out of their way to silence detransitioners who speak out, too.

01:31:18.800 But there's there's one view and they don't have to be.

01:31:21.600 Yeah.

01:31:22.060 Yeah.

01:31:22.380 I mean, that's true.

01:31:23.580 What you're saying is true.

01:31:24.500 Contra points is a very prominent YouTube channel and was attacked over and over and

01:31:28.840 over again for ever deviating from the cult.

01:31:31.880 Like I've invited contra points on the show multiple times in the past few years, and it'll

01:31:36.840 never happen because it's a cult.

01:31:39.340 So, you know, when I've when I've criticized Dylan Mulvaney, I've pointed out that he's

01:31:44.260 out that Contra points has excellent YouTube videos, really well put together with thoughtful

01:31:50.020 arguments, history.

01:31:51.520 And I disagree, but intelligent.

01:31:54.740 Blair White makes videos, makes arguments.

01:31:56.740 I agree more so.

01:31:57.780 And they're well put together.

01:31:58.940 These are two rational individuals producing content and making arguments who happen to be

01:32:02.460 trans.

01:32:02.760 They represent the left and the right of, you know, trans people, I think, just in general.

01:32:08.960 And Dylan Mulvaney is a character intentionally mocking and deriding, but defended.

01:32:15.460 It's like to to a third degree.

01:32:17.320 But again, these are the only individuals like there's such a variety of examples.

01:32:21.480 Because they're the most egregious examples.

01:32:23.860 Contra points.

01:32:25.320 I think the controversy was that Contra points said something like, of course, there's a

01:32:28.900 binary.

01:32:29.800 You can't transition.

01:32:30.960 I'm paraphrasing, but I think Contra points is making the point that traditionally trans

01:32:34.920 people were, you know, wanting to be male to female, female to male.

01:32:38.200 And now you have a younger generation that says it's trans if you just feel like you're

01:32:41.680 water gender or whatever.

01:32:43.320 Yeah.

01:32:43.440 Contra got attacked for that, backed off and just like go silent.

01:32:47.260 Yeah.

01:32:47.660 Dylan Mulvaney gets defended every step of the way.

01:32:49.760 Why silence the rational person having a legitimate argument?

01:32:53.220 That's the left doing that.

01:32:54.900 So the right is correct to criticize Dylan Mulvaney.

01:32:58.960 I don't see conservatives going out of the way to repeatedly attack and slam Contra points.

01:33:03.240 In fact, many people on the right are like, oh, yeah, Contra makes good videos.

01:33:06.180 I disagree.

01:33:06.700 I think it's, you know, wrong.

01:33:07.980 But Dylan Mulvaney is particularly offensive.

01:33:10.660 The left should be in agreement.

01:33:12.140 This is a caricature of women and trans people that is damaging.

01:33:14.740 And it's not it's not just Dylan personally, because Dylan wasn't getting that much hate

01:33:20.120 on TikTok.

01:33:21.080 It was when the left and corporations started slapping Dylan on everything they could and

01:33:26.540 putting their stamp of approval and saying, yes, this represents the trans movement, this

01:33:31.100 ridiculous caricature.

01:33:32.740 So it wasn't just people were like, oh, my goodness, I can't believe this Dylan Mulvaney

01:33:36.240 person exists.

01:33:37.220 It was when he was slapped with the seal of approval from the left as their poster child.

01:33:42.620 A lot of this stuff, I think, is is just very driven by commercialism.

01:33:46.840 I don't know why specifically Dylan became as commercial as Dylan did, because Dylan has

01:33:54.380 a young audience.

01:33:55.180 And that's what those those poor marketing gals at Bud Light wanted a younger audience.

01:34:00.620 But I can tell you, I can tell you, yes, because we did that.

01:34:03.180 We pulled up Dylan Mulvaney's TikTok.

01:34:05.460 And what do you find?

01:34:07.500 Dylan is like so many other creators who found a marketable path to fame and fortune.

01:34:13.340 When Dylan gets surgery, it is not because Dylan is trans.

01:34:16.420 It's for the same reason.

01:34:17.260 Madonna gets surgery to be in the press, to be in the media and to make money off of it.

01:34:22.200 Hence, singing about having a penis, despite trans people being dysphoric with these things.

01:34:27.340 Dylan's earliest content is being on a safari, animal stuff, hugging llamas and stuff.

01:34:32.560 Didn't really get the traffic.

01:34:33.680 Like Dylan comes out as gay, a little bit more views, comes out as non-binary, more views,

01:34:38.160 comes out as trans, explosion into the millions.

01:34:40.920 And then the whole series.

01:34:42.100 And then created a series.

01:34:43.580 So what happened is Dylan Mulvaney is like, I want to be famous, dancing on The Price is

01:34:47.920 Right.

01:34:48.240 Have you seen that video?

01:34:49.020 I have, yeah.

01:34:49.720 Spinning on the ground and stuff.

01:34:51.200 And for three minutes, clearly just trying to be famous and having some strange, you know,

01:34:56.720 need for attention.

01:34:58.240 But that's also probably part of Dylan's personality is that extreme, too.

01:35:02.360 And what happens is a person this desperate for attention is basically brute forcing TikTok,

01:35:09.500 trying a bunch of different strategies towards fame, hits one, succeeds, and then attacks it full force.

01:35:16.340 TikTok then promotes Dylan Mulvaney, who gets 10 million followers, and then corporations are like, that's what's popular.

01:35:23.640 No, that's what TikTok is promoting, not what's popular.

01:35:26.940 But they don't care.

01:35:27.800 If it gets eyeballs and it's cost effective, they go for it to the detriment of the actual trans community.

01:35:33.180 But the left, because they're tribalists, who need to simply disagree with whatever it is the right says,

01:35:38.840 defends Dylan Mulvaney instead of actually having principles.

01:35:42.920 Yeah, I mean, I think.

01:35:43.920 And I'm right wing for pointing that out.

01:35:45.480 Yeah.

01:35:45.740 Yeah, I mean, I think there is a lot of times where people are confused as to what is like,

01:35:52.840 I think there is a tendency to want to be nice.

01:35:54.380 Why are they confused, though?

01:35:55.900 People didn't used to be this confused.

01:35:57.740 Why are they confused?

01:36:00.040 Well, because I think there's a lot of reasons.

01:36:02.340 I think some people genuinely believe this stuff.

01:36:04.660 I think some people go along with it because they're trying not to get, you know, offend anybody.

01:36:10.180 I think some people just like think they're like being nice.

01:36:14.240 But why are they confused?

01:36:16.120 Why are there more?

01:36:17.340 There are more queer youth than ever before.

01:36:20.860 And we have queer youth rising at an astronomical rate.

01:36:24.940 Why are people confused?

01:36:26.320 Plastic.

01:36:26.860 Yes.

01:36:27.220 They're turning the freaking frogs game.

01:36:29.600 According to RFK, it's the water.

01:36:32.340 No, no, I don't.

01:36:34.380 I don't.

01:36:34.660 I don't disagree.

01:36:35.180 I think conservatives miss this one.

01:36:37.040 We bring it up quite a bit.

01:36:38.340 Endocrine disruptors.

01:36:39.620 Ice cream.

01:36:40.200 Oh, absolutely.

01:36:41.340 I mean, men's sperm count has dropped 50 percent in the past few decades.

01:36:44.900 I think we're polluting ourselves.

01:36:46.840 And AJ Cortez, he talked about it, too.

01:36:49.700 Most a lot of the fertility issues with between couples are from men because they have lower

01:36:55.680 weak sperm.

01:36:56.820 Yep.

01:36:57.320 I think, you know, I hear this climate change stuff and they're like, we got to get rid

01:37:00.800 of plastics and, you know, in a climate pollution.

01:37:02.660 I'm like, yes.

01:37:03.540 Yes.

01:37:04.360 You know, you want to make an argument about whether climate change is real or not.

01:37:08.740 You know, I wonder why Obama's buying beachfront property and why these investors in Miami

01:37:12.740 Beach are like, it's flooding, but we're going to we're going to buy a 35 year investment.

01:37:16.720 I don't care about your argument on the planet getting hotter.

01:37:18.820 I care about the fact that we're dumping garbage into our own food supply.

01:37:22.720 And I think a lot of this, the rise in queer identities and gender dysphoria, particularly

01:37:28.100 is because of endocrine disruptors.

01:37:30.280 I think that I'm not going to I'm not going to go there myself, but I will say that pollution

01:37:35.560 is generally a bad thing.

01:37:36.820 So I'll agree on the pollution is bad.

01:37:38.660 You're familiar with phthalates and PCBs and all that stuff.

01:37:40.920 I know, really.

01:37:42.320 So I won't.

01:37:42.920 I won't like plastic leeches into our food.

01:37:46.760 Unfortunately, even liquid death, you know, we were bummed to find out because they say

01:37:49.700 death to plastic, but those cans are lined with plastic.

01:37:53.180 PCBs and phthalates are two examples we often cite that leech into our food and disrupt the

01:37:59.020 human endocrine system.

01:38:00.720 So conservatives will point out, you know, oh, the rise in in gender dysphoria among

01:38:05.300 youth must be a social thing.

01:38:06.740 And I'm like, yeah, to a certain degree, I think so.

01:38:09.480 Social media for sure.

01:38:10.380 But I think, you know, don't discredit the fact that plastics are a relatively new phenomenon

01:38:14.760 to the human to humans.

01:38:16.780 You know, you go to an antique store in the 60s.

01:38:19.040 Everything was metal and glass.

01:38:20.920 And then we started switching it out for plastics, which were cheaper and easier to produce.

01:38:24.720 And now we've got chemicals leeching into our food, which are messing up our brains.

01:38:28.740 You can compare it with Europe or something.

01:38:31.500 Have you seen Dark Waters?

01:38:32.500 They do a lot of plastics, too, you know.

01:38:34.580 Dark Waters?

01:38:35.480 Do they have a theme?

01:38:36.300 It's a really good movie with Mark Ruffalo, but it goes into the scandal with the Teflon.

01:38:43.100 Oh, right.

01:38:43.500 Yes, you should watch that.

01:38:44.700 Very good movie.

01:38:45.400 But I think there's a lot of these things that are impacting us more than we know.

01:38:50.120 But I don't think that there's more gender dysphoria because of the plastics, so to say.

01:38:55.560 Maybe people are more, men especially, are more effeminate because of it.

01:38:59.720 I think that plays a role.

01:39:01.500 And there's, we should be a little more loose on gender identity in a way.

01:39:07.760 You know, you're not a girl because you wear your tomboy.

01:39:11.480 People are more comfortable being, but also maybe part of it is socially, like, people

01:39:14.620 are more comfortable expressing themselves in different ways.

01:39:18.280 Yeah, but that doesn't mean you're trans.

01:39:20.000 Yeah.

01:39:20.420 That is social.

01:39:21.160 I think it's, I think a lot of it is social, I mean, that's not necessarily means that you're

01:39:25.540 like, you know, different gender, but like you are able to express yourself in different

01:39:32.000 ways.

01:39:32.560 I think it's hitting us in the face.

01:39:34.000 It was Alex Jones who said like 10 years ago that Atrazine was turning the freaking

01:39:38.120 frogs gay.

01:39:39.100 It's an, it's a, it's a hyperbolic approach to it.

01:39:41.200 But Atrazine, there was a study.

01:39:43.680 It's, it's been, I believe it's been retracted or updated to argue against.

01:39:47.920 But simply put, we know that there are chemicals in our, in the city water supplies and in

01:39:52.700 our foods that disrupt the endocrine system.

01:39:54.940 And in the air.

01:39:55.640 And in the air.

01:39:56.380 Okay.

01:39:56.660 I won't debate you on this stuff because I talk about some, I don't talk about things

01:40:00.360 that I don't know anything about.

01:40:01.760 The try guys, the famous video where the Buzzfeed guys got their testosterone levels checked

01:40:06.280 and these 20 something year old dudes had testosterone equivalent to 80 year old men.

01:40:11.220 Yes.

01:40:11.520 That is clearly related to the, the rise in gender dysphoria.

01:40:16.220 I had a friend who had to be given, born a boy, had to be given testosterone to go through

01:40:21.260 puberty.

01:40:21.860 Wow.

01:40:22.720 Now imagine this.

01:40:23.860 Imagine too much estrogen.

01:40:25.360 Imagine there are many men who are increasingly becoming effeminate, having lower testosterone,

01:40:31.500 lower sperm counts.

01:40:32.760 They're going to have a mentality and a personal experience more effeminate.

01:40:36.820 But, and it's, it's, it's a, it's a spectrum.

01:40:39.540 Is there like a, like, has this been measured that there is lower testosterone in it?

01:40:43.800 Absolutely.

01:40:44.380 Yes.

01:40:44.680 Men's sperm count.

01:40:45.640 We're going to have no sperm at this rate, but there's men's sperm count has dropped 50%

01:40:50.140 in the past few decades.

01:40:51.120 Really?

01:40:51.620 And, but I mean, in general, I always thought it was interesting.

01:40:54.560 If you look at men today, they look smaller and thinner than ever before.

01:41:01.280 And the try guys from Buzzfeed, I think was a really good example.

01:41:03.800 Four guys got their testosterone checked and it was, it was equivalent to 80 year old

01:41:08.500 men.

01:41:08.760 Now this could be attributed to eating less meat, eating less fat and working out less.

01:41:12.720 That results in a lower testosterone.

01:41:14.360 And soy does increase estrogen.

01:41:16.080 Also, I mean, the diet.

01:41:17.040 It has phytoestrogen.

01:41:18.160 It literally has phytoestrogen in it.

01:41:20.160 However, that, that argument from the conservatives is 100% wrong on the soy boy thing.

01:41:25.100 Yeah.

01:41:25.240 I don't think it's going to make you, it's not going to give you boobs.

01:41:28.020 But North American diet, that was pretty terrible.

01:41:30.460 Like compared to say like the food in North, it's a very processed diet and all that stuff

01:41:35.560 probably plays a huge role.

01:41:36.820 I want to, I want to clarify the soy thing though.

01:41:38.880 Not 100% wrong, but phytoestrogens are weaker than typical human estrogen.

01:41:45.000 So if you block your estrogen receptors with phytoestrogen, it actually inhibits.

01:41:50.120 Oh, that's interesting.

01:41:51.100 I didn't know that.

01:41:51.520 However, flooding your system with phytoestrogen could make up for it being weaker.

01:41:56.540 So, so definitely it can cause issues in that.

01:41:58.520 Are we seeing any kind of reversal considering like, you know, the food pyramid scam, right?

01:42:02.400 Like, uh, and, and a lot of people have been more, more, um, interested in their diet and

01:42:07.740 kind of reversing things.

01:42:08.900 Like, are we seeing any kind of differences where, where people are like taking better

01:42:12.920 care of like, you know, consuming more fats, more, um, well, ask someone who's doing keto

01:42:18.740 or carnivore and they all swear by it.

01:42:20.920 Yeah.

01:42:21.220 Yeah.

01:42:21.500 And, and I got to tell you, when you look at the people who, who are on like keto diets,

01:42:25.500 they tend to be in shape.

01:42:27.000 Like it works.

01:42:27.860 It works.

01:42:28.640 I think it does work for a lot.

01:42:29.720 I lost 30 pounds when I cut out the sugar.

01:42:31.320 Yeah.

01:42:31.720 Yeah.

01:42:32.060 Well, sugar, like see sugar processed meats, like too many carbs, like that kind of stuff

01:42:36.400 like seems, and even like just, just the type of food that people are consuming here

01:42:40.980 is just, cause I have friends who come here from Europe and they say like, they feel sick

01:42:44.820 and I always feel way better when I'm like in Europe.

01:42:47.540 It gives you anxiety to having a kid because you're like everything.

01:42:51.580 I'm like, this isn't plastic.

01:42:53.140 This is frozen.

01:42:54.000 This has preservatives.

01:42:55.080 It's anxiety inducing to go grocery shopping nowadays.

01:42:58.220 Cause you don't know what the hell anything is anymore.

01:43:00.600 The left and the right unifying.

01:43:02.560 Getting healthy and getting in shape.

01:43:04.280 Yeah.

01:43:04.980 I mean, I just, I started paying attention to that stuff.

01:43:07.480 They're not unifying.

01:43:07.700 I know they're putting morbidly obese people on the covers of magazines.

01:43:11.580 We may be agreeing with it, but they're like, that's true.

01:43:13.880 It is the only, I will agree.

01:43:14.980 They promote food addiction and that is the only drug, food addiction.

01:43:19.200 It's the only addiction where they do not highlight the physical manifestation of the

01:43:25.020 addiction.

01:43:25.720 Instead, they glorify it.

01:43:27.120 It is a weird thing.

01:43:28.420 With drugs, you say, don't do math, not even once.

01:43:30.960 And it's got all these scary photos, but with obesity, they don't say that.

01:43:34.380 They don't highlight food addiction and it's a very real addiction.

01:43:37.240 And I feel for, I know a lot of people who have an addiction to food and we don't want

01:43:41.420 to help them.

01:43:41.980 The left glorifies them.

01:43:43.200 They throw them on Cosmopolitan saying, and they, they're directly responsible.

01:43:48.460 Look, I don't believe in shaming people.

01:43:50.180 Like I don't believe in shaming people for, you know, cause I don't know why they are the

01:43:54.160 way they are.

01:43:54.860 And maybe they have other issues with that.

01:43:56.840 But what do you consider shaming?

01:43:58.240 Telling them that they're probably going to die or have weak knees?

01:44:00.940 No, I believe in honesty.

01:44:01.840 I don't believe in promoting like obesity.

01:44:03.480 I don't believe in like, Hey, you're beautiful because you're like, we have all these roles

01:44:07.360 and stuff, but like, right.

01:44:09.260 No, but like, no, I do think it's gone like in, like insane over the top, but like, but

01:44:14.860 sometimes you don't know why somebody is like the way they are.

01:44:18.100 And just because somebody is like, some people are plus size and healthy because they like,

01:44:21.660 they do exercise.

01:44:22.960 They have a healthy diet.

01:44:24.020 Like, I think you have to focus on that as opposed to just like, yeah, but during COVID,

01:44:28.440 they weren't even telling you.

01:44:30.120 No, they were, they were hiding the fact that that obesity was a, yes.

01:44:33.700 Oh, I think a lot of it was a, yes.

01:44:36.480 Yeah.

01:44:37.120 There was a, I had, I had a black market gym.

01:44:41.640 Seriously.

01:44:42.000 It was like underground.

01:44:43.040 It was like a speakeasy gym because they weren't police.

01:44:45.740 Yeah.

01:44:45.940 Yeah.

01:44:46.860 Back to blue.

01:44:47.620 Huh?

01:44:47.700 Yeah.

01:44:48.020 The cops coming in and shutting down gyms.

01:44:50.440 That's crazy.

01:44:51.040 They, they, they filled the skate park in Venice with sand.

01:44:54.560 Yep.

01:44:55.120 What?

01:44:55.460 There's like, I learned, I didn't realize like in Montreal, like you couldn't go outside.

01:44:59.920 Like there were all these curfews.

01:45:01.300 I didn't, I didn't know that it was like, but it wasn't just them doing that.

01:45:04.840 That was sinister in itself.

01:45:06.040 But what was really sinister was them not telling people that obesity is a serious comorbidity

01:45:11.820 factor for COVID.

01:45:13.280 Sure.

01:45:13.480 They killed people.

01:45:14.260 They had people killed because they refused.

01:45:16.780 They didn't want to offend.

01:45:18.240 All right.

01:45:18.420 Like, come on.

01:45:19.100 Like we know obesity is bad for you.

01:45:22.980 Sure.

01:45:23.300 Now I'll make a libertarian argument.

01:45:24.820 I tell people if you're fat and you want to be fat and you eat a lot of food, Hey man,

01:45:29.240 do your thing.

01:45:29.920 I beg of you to be healthier though, because I want you to live longer.

01:45:33.240 And, uh, I will stress, you know, I've been, I've, I, I, I lost 30 pounds starting a year

01:45:39.940 ago when I cut out all the sugars I have, you know, I have been super thin in my life.

01:45:43.840 I have been, I was 200 pounds, uh, even a year and a half ago.

01:45:47.580 You don't realize how bad you feel until you drop the weight.

01:45:50.300 And then you feel like you have lightning surging through you.

01:45:52.480 It's like, I really recommend people get healthy, but the left we have, we have, you know, I

01:45:57.420 go to the mall and I see ads for women's clothing and it's morbidly obese models.

01:46:02.300 Calvin Klein puts two morbidly obese people in their underwear ad.

01:46:07.000 And, you know, the joke we made before is that Unilever owns Ben and Jerry's and Dove.

01:46:14.180 Makes sense, right?

01:46:15.340 If you're a large corporation that owns a woman's women's beauty products, but you also sell

01:46:21.280 ice cream, you don't want to convince women to stop eating your ice cream.

01:46:25.000 So what do you do?

01:46:25.960 You tell them they're beautiful for being fat.

01:46:28.060 Then you sell them ice cream and soap.

01:46:29.600 I mean, I don't know about that though.

01:46:32.660 I just, I think people don't.

01:46:34.080 I'm not saying they're doing it intentionally, but they don't, they don't teach self-discipline.

01:46:37.800 I'm not fat and I eat Ben and Jerry's, you know?

01:46:40.020 Well, their idea was.

01:46:40.500 Oh, I shouldn't have told the conservatives I eat Ben and Jerry's.

01:46:42.860 I'm sorry.

01:46:43.540 I'm, I'm kidding.

01:46:44.440 Only Jeremy's chocolate.

01:46:45.580 Only Jeremy's chocolate.

01:46:46.780 Their idea is that, their idea is that, okay, like they want to reflect, I guess the kindness

01:46:53.600 aspect of it is like, they want to reflect that people can see themselves even in whatever

01:46:59.920 size they are, but, but that, but there is a dishonesty in the sense of.

01:47:03.040 They're going to see themselves in a morgue or in a hospital bed.

01:47:06.460 Genuinely, I don't think that's kind.

01:47:08.080 Well, do you want to be, what I'd rather see is like aspiration, right?

01:47:11.040 Like you still have to be honest.

01:47:13.220 Like I, I want to like, I've, I've, I've never been like, you know, really big, but like

01:47:18.840 I want to be, if I see somebody who looks really fit, right?

01:47:24.720 Like I want to be like, I want to be like this.

01:47:27.560 I want to be realistic with myself.

01:47:29.200 Right.

01:47:29.600 Like, and.

01:47:31.280 But the kids growing up there, they might not have that same opinion of people who are

01:47:35.420 fit because they weren't the ones put on magazines.

01:47:37.480 They might say, Ooh, I want to be bigger.

01:47:39.180 I want to do that, which is unkind.

01:47:42.280 I think you're giving too much benefit of the doubt to the left on this one.

01:47:45.300 And I view them as inherently lazy and entitled and prideful and gluttonous and envious and

01:47:54.080 wrathful and et cetera, et cetera.

01:47:56.140 I can greedy.

01:47:57.060 I mean, it changed because the modeling standards or the acting standards used to be very like,

01:48:01.660 cause I worked in that industry.

01:48:02.960 Like it's like, you know, you had to be tiny.

01:48:06.760 You had to be so, and then it just went like completely in the opposite direction.

01:48:10.720 Well, I mean, that's your job though.

01:48:12.860 When you're my, I mean, what other job do you have as a model?

01:48:15.000 To just stand there.

01:48:16.000 But there's a difference between like the traditional liberal and leftists.

01:48:20.420 And so with leftists taking over, I see you now get to this point.

01:48:23.920 I, I will say this too.

01:48:25.220 I, I, I genuinely believe the left represents the seven deadly sins unquestionably in every

01:48:31.660 way.

01:48:32.200 I think it's, yeah.

01:48:33.160 I mean, and pride events are, are literally like pride parades are name.

01:48:38.660 One of the seven deadly sins.

01:48:39.720 You hit the nail on the head with the hammer in Berkeley County at the, at the Martinsburg

01:48:44.260 pride event.

01:48:45.380 You had overt socialists.

01:48:47.040 It's a pride event.

01:48:47.920 And people were waving socialist flags, communist flags, leftist stuff.

01:48:51.600 You've got, for one, they declare the pride.

01:48:55.020 You have absolute laziness, which I attribute to socialism.

01:48:58.080 People who think, I love this.

01:48:59.800 The idea is that when communism takes over, there'll be slam poets or something.

01:49:02.760 They'll be working in a field if you're not put up against the wall, but they don't want

01:49:05.260 to work.

01:49:05.600 They, they, they, they, they're envious.

01:49:07.720 They're greedy.

01:49:08.720 They're lazy.

01:49:09.660 They're angry.

01:49:11.060 They are prideful.

01:49:13.000 All of it exemplified in one event.

01:49:15.220 Yeah.

01:49:15.800 But I think it's, I do want to circle back on their motives, especially, especially as

01:49:20.020 it relates to obesity and food, because what many of these people won't realize is they're

01:49:25.120 being manipulated because if, if obesity is okay, then you're not going to look at why

01:49:29.620 are we getting heavier?

01:49:30.560 I mean, the average person weighs 30 pounds more than they used to in America.

01:49:35.100 It's greed.

01:49:35.560 Yes.

01:49:36.040 Because these, the FDA, these big corporations, they're very greedy.

01:49:40.480 They don't want people to wake up to the fact and say, why am I so much heavier than all

01:49:45.160 of my grandparents, all of my family were 50 years ago?

01:49:48.340 When is that chemical going to pay for the Bhopal disaster?

01:49:50.660 Exactly.

01:49:51.340 That's what it's about.

01:49:52.480 These big companies don't want to lose money.

01:49:55.580 They don't want to be held responsible.

01:49:57.120 They offer lucrative jobs to government officials.

01:49:59.540 Once you're out of the FDA, you'll come and work here and vice versa.

01:50:02.480 And they get their people from their companies appointed to make money.

01:50:05.680 So ain't nobody going to come out and condemn Splenda.

01:50:08.760 Granted, Aspartame just got hit recently.

01:50:10.680 Yes.

01:50:11.140 But, but this is the issue.

01:50:12.180 It's all of, all of these, these things.

01:50:14.540 And the left just defends them on tribal grounds, I guess.

01:50:17.960 It's the weirdest thing to defend the government mandating private corporations get no bid,

01:50:23.740 no liability contracts, but that's what they did.

01:50:25.880 And it's, it's just all of the seven, that's my point.

01:50:29.000 Seven deadly sins.

01:50:29.540 There you go.

01:50:29.820 That's the weirdest part for me is the, the defense of corporations.

01:50:33.540 Cause I, growing up like that, the left was actually the once criticizing corporations,

01:50:39.460 right?

01:50:39.880 Like, I don't know if you've seen the movie, the documentary, the corporation, for example.

01:50:43.340 I haven't seen it, but yes, they used it.

01:50:44.980 Yeah.

01:50:45.280 That was like, that was actually had like a bit of an effect on me, like that documentary.

01:50:49.560 And I think they came out with something like a follow-up to that recently as well.

01:50:53.760 And like, so for me, I was like always looking at corporations in a really suspicious way.

01:51:00.560 And corporations, you know, they're like non, they're sort of, I look at them as sort of

01:51:04.660 psychopaths, right?

01:51:05.860 And that was sort of the thesis of that documentary.

01:51:08.360 And now corporations are sort of seen as these beacons of like arbiters of ethics and morals.

01:51:16.140 And, and they have a say in, in, in, in society, like they, they are the arbiters of what, what

01:51:23.920 we, of righteousness.

01:51:25.140 And I find that really suspicious.

01:51:27.400 And, and, and I find that strange that more people aren't suspicious of them said they embrace

01:51:32.880 them as part of society as, as like, almost like a human being, a politician.

01:51:37.280 And I think that's really, they have more power than our politicians.

01:51:39.580 Getting Pfizer tattoos?

01:51:40.720 They do.

01:51:42.180 Liberals are getting a Pfizer tattoo?

01:51:43.880 Really?

01:51:44.120 There's tons of videos of people getting Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson.

01:51:47.120 No.

01:51:47.860 Really?

01:51:47.940 You didn't see, I'm going to pull something this up.

01:51:49.380 That's amazing.

01:51:49.960 I mean, I'm not doubting you, but wow.

01:51:51.760 This timeline gets better and better.

01:51:54.300 I mean, and look, and I'm not like anti-pharmaceutical because like, I need them for my life quality.

01:51:59.080 If they want to brand themselves as an idiot for life, like permanently, that's fine.

01:52:02.480 Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't get a tattoo.

01:52:04.520 I'm not like, uh, pharma is completely evil.

01:52:07.580 Um, sometimes they are, but.

01:52:09.360 Imagine you start seeing a guy, and you find out he has a Pfizer tattoo.

01:52:14.140 There were, there were, look, here you go.

01:52:17.140 Here's one.

01:52:18.040 Dallas Fire Rescue Medical Director uses tattoos to spark conversations around COVID or whatever.

01:52:21.940 So, you had a bunch of people getting, look at, a J&J tattoo.

01:52:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:52:27.360 COVID-19, Pfizer.

01:52:28.440 They got the recalled one.

01:52:28.980 The recalled tattoo is really, really something.

01:52:31.880 That was kind of cute, the one with the, like, the face, the blue one with the little.

01:52:36.200 This?

01:52:36.980 The one at the top.

01:52:38.040 Yeah, that one's kind of cute.

01:52:39.340 What does it say?

01:52:40.760 Phase three.

01:52:42.140 And, look, the, the getting your vaccine card tattooed.

01:52:46.340 I mean, I guess that's, uh, effective, a time.

01:52:48.520 The J&J tattoo right there.

01:52:50.600 They might as well just put it on their forehead.

01:52:52.880 I'm mentally ill.

01:52:54.360 You know, but I don't think it's mental illness.

01:52:57.860 That is, you don't think you have to be mentally ill.

01:53:00.360 You don't think being mentally ill is a prerequisite to tattooing your COVID vaccination card on your arm?

01:53:05.240 That is not mental illness.

01:53:06.080 It saves time.

01:53:06.760 That's absolutely mental illness.

01:53:07.980 You know, every time you have to pull it out of your wallet.

01:53:09.480 It's literally, factually, academically, not mentally ill.

01:53:12.100 I think.

01:53:12.440 Like, you're, you're speaking.

01:53:13.700 I can guarantee you these people have some sort of mental illness.

01:53:18.180 Maybe they have a sense of human illness.

01:53:19.280 The fact that human beings throughout history have adhered to authority indicates it is not mental illness for people to blindly follow leaders and things like that.

01:53:26.400 That, the reality is, it is more damning to tell you that these people are not as what we would define as mentally ill.

01:53:34.100 This is what people do.

01:53:35.840 It's standard.

01:53:36.520 It's standard.

01:53:37.420 It's standard.

01:53:38.020 Behavior.

01:53:38.740 The, the, the people who marched behind the, not the famous photo of all the people saluting Hitler and the one guy crossing his arms.

01:53:45.220 He might have even crossed his arms not out of defiance, like for all we know.

01:53:48.820 He just made it be felt like a just.

01:53:51.040 To, to argue that every single human who has ever followed an authoritarian regime is mentally ill is just wrong.

01:53:55.500 No, but I'm not calling anyone who got the vaccine or adhered to that mentally ill.

01:54:00.360 I'm saying if you tattoo Johnson and Johnson on your arm, you're probably a little kooky.

01:54:04.740 But you're saying it as an insult.

01:54:05.860 I'm saying it as a, as a fact.

01:54:06.920 Like, oh, I think it's important to understand if someone actually has a mental illness that results in them following the leader.

01:54:11.860 And I don't think so.

01:54:12.860 I think humans, like we would not, we would not define someone as being mentally ill because they adhere to authority.

01:54:18.620 Yeah, I have to say that I learned a lot through the pandemic that I didn't realize about compliance, even about my own compliance, right?

01:54:25.260 Like, I think especially in the beginning, there is a lot that people are like, okay, out of fear and out of following just the human dynamic.

01:54:33.680 There's even all these videos, right, where people just like will be in a medical office and then somebody will just stand up and other people will stand up and everybody stands up and they don't even know why they're doing it.

01:54:43.480 Yeah, it was a, it was a study they did where they had people come into an office for an appointment.

01:54:50.160 And when the person walks in, there's a beep every minute.

01:54:54.440 Yeah.

01:54:54.820 And then when it goes off, a person stands up and then sits down.

01:54:58.600 Then they have a couple people come in and sit down and the mark has no idea what's going on, notices them.

01:55:03.480 The new people who come in, also the beep goes off, they stand up, then they sit down.

01:55:07.940 Eventually, this person started doing it to me.

01:55:10.740 I wouldn't do it.

01:55:11.360 Like, I would, I would just ask, like, is there, why is everyone standing?

01:55:14.160 I would literally go, what are you standing for?

01:55:16.280 Like, what's happening?

01:55:17.760 And if they didn't have an answer, I'd just be like, that's not, I'm not involved in that.

01:55:21.140 But people literally do this stuff.

01:55:22.560 A lot of people do.

01:55:23.440 And I think also it's important to recognize in oneself, like, a lot of, like, even if you think you won't do it, a lot of people, they might think they won't do it, but are capable under a certain situation of doing these things.

01:55:38.180 And if you don't kind of watch yourself carefully, I think it's important to know that anybody's kind of capable and under the right circumstances.

01:55:46.880 Like, yeah.

01:55:47.760 Arrest, fear for your life.

01:55:49.600 It would land at LaGuardia during COVID and National Guard would be there.

01:55:53.560 Yeah.

01:55:53.800 I mean, I did certain things in the beginning.

01:55:55.760 Asking for your COVID papers.

01:55:57.000 Yeah.

01:55:57.300 I mean, I did certain things during the pandemic that I later had rethought.

01:56:02.980 But, like, I mean, it's, it's, I think it's important to know that.

01:56:07.280 And then I watch other things that people did.

01:56:09.640 Like, certain things, I think, for me, for me, the limits tend to be very moral, like, ethical.

01:56:15.740 And that's where, like, where I wake up.

01:56:18.780 But, but certain things, like, I might go along with that are where the morality doesn't kick in, where I'm like, okay, there, like, there were errors, arrows, sort of, or things like that, where.

01:56:30.440 I defied all the arrows.

01:56:31.500 Yeah.

01:56:31.640 Are you talking about, like, in supermarkets?

01:56:32.600 Yeah, like, in supermarkets, right?

01:56:34.180 There's all these people, right?

01:56:35.880 So there's all these people who might walk, right?

01:56:38.540 And, and a lot of people did, right?

01:56:40.960 And I, and it has no logic.

01:56:42.940 So for me, I often will be like, this makes no logical sense.

01:56:46.920 And then I'll, like, why, why would I do this, right?

01:56:50.120 But sometimes you, you don't think these things through and you do it on autopilot.

01:56:54.840 So it's important to be, like, really aware all the time.

01:56:57.880 There's, there's, there's a couple of things I would say.

01:56:59.340 The, uh, apt navigation may, may require certain behaviors you disagree with.

01:57:06.720 So, you know, I want to go into a Home Depot.

01:57:08.820 I had to wear a mask.

01:57:09.660 Yeah.

01:57:09.940 Am I going to sit there and scream and yell at people?

01:57:11.620 Or am I going to walk in, grab my stuff and get out?

01:57:14.060 I'm going to avoid the confrontation.

01:57:15.900 To be honest, most of the time in West Virginia, you didn't need a mask.

01:57:19.000 Like, nobody cared.

01:57:20.040 And so, uh, I, I, I have a picture of me.

01:57:22.740 I took, took a t-shirt and tied it with a shoelace on my face.

01:57:25.940 Cause we went to Home Depot.

01:57:26.880 I walked in with shopping and they said, you got to put on a mask or leave.

01:57:29.540 And I was like, oh, I'm getting this stuff and leaving.

01:57:31.340 And they're like, no.

01:57:32.100 And then I'm like, I don't have time for this and I don't care.

01:57:34.520 So I wrapped a shirt around my face and then they stopped talking to me.

01:57:37.680 I'm like, there's, and some people may disagree.

01:57:41.980 No, you should, you should stand your ground and all that stuff.

01:57:43.760 And I'm like, yeah, I don't think it is a lapse of morality to sometimes, uh, comply

01:57:52.800 for the sake of efficiency.

01:57:54.800 Yeah.

01:57:55.380 But there is a line and we all have a different one.

01:57:57.540 That is some people outright got into screaming matches with people over wearing masks.

01:58:00.980 And I'm like, I don't know how effective that is towards winning.

01:58:03.800 I don't think it's useful.

01:58:05.060 So this is where I kind of look at things.

01:58:07.100 I'm like, would me getting in a confrontation with like some clerk at a, at a store change

01:58:12.100 anything?

01:58:12.580 No.

01:58:13.280 Well, it's going to ruin someone's day.

01:58:14.700 Exactly.

01:58:15.520 But can I, what can I do to change that outcome?

01:58:18.880 Is it maybe, maybe, or, or maybe writing, well, there was no, like, for example, where

01:58:23.780 I was, it was a, it was a, it was a law, right?

01:58:26.320 It was, there was nowhere to shop.

01:58:27.920 It was never a law to clarify.

01:58:29.180 Where, where I was in.

01:58:30.380 No.

01:58:30.760 No, but I'm in Canada.

01:58:32.100 So it was.

01:58:32.500 Oh, in Canada.

01:58:33.180 Yeah.

01:58:33.380 Nevermind.

01:58:33.740 You're correct.

01:58:34.200 I thought you were going to say, I thought you were in New York.

01:58:35.420 No, no.

01:58:35.840 So it was law.

01:58:36.800 I didn't know.

01:58:37.460 I was wrong.

01:58:38.020 Yeah.

01:58:38.300 Yes.

01:58:38.520 It was law.

01:58:39.060 Yeah.

01:58:39.200 It was law.

01:58:39.900 So there was no choice, but what, what can I do that would be more effective?

01:58:44.340 Well, writing, you know, to, to politicians and campaigning and, you know, doing things

01:58:49.260 like that, that, that has more potential effect than me, like getting into a confrontation

01:58:54.400 with a clerk that can't do anything.

01:58:56.480 Right.

01:58:56.600 So I, yeah, I, I comply.

01:58:58.780 I mean, at the beginning, I didn't know better.

01:59:00.680 Right.

01:59:01.180 I say with masks, like I did not know better.

01:59:04.260 I wore the flimsy masks.

01:59:06.240 I freely admit this.

01:59:07.560 I, I did.

01:59:08.760 I did.

01:59:09.240 We had masks.

01:59:09.580 Yeah.

01:59:09.900 Um, I, I, I still think like, well, at the, at a certain point, I thought definitely the

01:59:15.000 N95s at the very least, I think it'd do something if you wear them properly fitted, but whatever.

01:59:19.360 I won't get into this, but, um, but I do think that, um, but, but in general with rules

01:59:26.280 and things like that, if you disagree with them, like, does it make a difference to try

01:59:31.820 and, and argue with some poor, you know, schmuck at a thing?

01:59:36.080 No, but more people should have protested.

01:59:38.220 But more protesting could, yeah, protesting could in that situation, uh, writing to your

01:59:43.880 politicians, uh, campaign, you know what they're going to do with that letter?

01:59:46.900 No, actually, no, I worked in an office at some point.

01:59:51.420 If you get a lot of them, yeah, if it's organized, um, they take even at one letter, they take

01:59:56.380 it as like, cause when I worked at an office, they, they actually said like, they consider

02:00:01.180 even one letter to be the equivalent of like a hundred.

02:00:03.920 So they do care about it.

02:00:06.000 They do postcard dumps and stuff.

02:00:07.520 There was a, in West Virginia, there was a cafe and we prefer small businesses.

02:00:13.460 I prefer avoiding chains when possible.

02:00:15.920 So, uh, there's a big shopping area and they've got a cafe and there's also a Starbucks across

02:00:21.660 the street.

02:00:22.020 And we said, of course we shop local and we walked up and they had a big thing on the

02:00:26.540 door saying masks mandated in West Virginia.

02:00:30.120 So I said, Starbucks, it is Starbucks had no mask mandate, walked right into Starbucks.

02:00:34.280 Nobody wearing masks, not a care in the world.

02:00:35.940 And I'm like, that's how you do it.

02:00:38.520 If star, if Starbucks says no mask mandate, Starbucks gets my money.

02:00:41.920 If the, if the local business, I walked up and I was like, oh, masks, I'm not coming

02:00:45.840 in.

02:00:46.020 And we turn around and walk out.

02:00:46.800 So it wasn't, so it wasn't like fully mandated by the government in, in the U S in West Virginia,

02:00:52.840 there was a mask mandate.

02:00:54.200 No one followed.

02:00:55.040 Okay.

02:00:55.520 So that's the thing, the power of culture, the government comes out and they're like,

02:00:59.740 everyone's got to do this.

02:01:00.540 And everyone started laughing about it.

02:01:01.640 And they were like, oh yeah, come on.

02:01:03.880 It's not going to fly.

02:01:04.840 No one in West Virginia, like the, the, what you mentioned about, do you really want to

02:01:09.560 get into it with a clerk?

02:01:10.560 These are, these are likely bigger chains or you're, you have, you have these small businesses

02:01:14.560 in New York.

02:01:15.000 They're terrified that a cop's going to walk in at any moment.

02:01:17.340 And there was even a restaurant in New York that had their door open and they got fined

02:01:22.620 because the cops, these people are evil in West Virginia.

02:01:25.960 The people who own the businesses are more worried about you leaving than a cop showing

02:01:29.380 up.

02:01:29.800 So if you walk in with no mask, they're going to be like, please just buy something like,

02:01:34.340 you know, I'm not worried about a cop showing up.

02:01:36.100 And those cops, they also know that because of that cultural shift, no cop wants to be the

02:01:41.180 guy to go into a store and find them.

02:01:42.740 Cause they're, they're going to know who you are and you're not going to have a good

02:01:45.700 time going to like, that's the thing about, that's the thing about rural living versus

02:01:50.000 urban living.

02:01:50.840 When you live in a big city and you have 50,000 cops who don't care about you and will mercilessly

02:01:54.900 beat you if they're commanded to, people are terrified of them.

02:01:58.040 But if you're in Jefferson County and your sheriff's department has a couple dozen officers,

02:02:01.820 everyone knows by name.

02:02:03.580 They know that if they do something wrong, they're not going to be able to buy a bagel tomorrow

02:02:06.680 because the bagel shop's going to be like, what were you doing?

02:02:08.620 I saw you out there harassing that kid.

02:02:10.220 Come on, man.

02:02:11.120 And they know it's, it's a lot harder in a smaller community.

02:02:14.420 That's why I think cities are awful, by the way.

02:02:16.700 It's got to get out of the cities before it's too late.

02:02:19.420 Where are you still in Canada now?

02:02:20.800 Yes.

02:02:21.620 Commie Canada.

02:02:23.240 Well, socialists, you know, it's different.

02:02:26.040 Man, I feel bad for you guys.

02:02:27.020 Aren't you pro-socialism?

02:02:29.520 I, you know, the funny thing is, so I started out being a more capital, hardcore, because

02:02:37.140 I'm an immigrant, right?

02:02:38.440 I think a lot of immigrants tend to be a little more capitalist leaning.

02:02:42.340 So I was like more capitalist.

02:02:44.020 And I would tell people I'm libertarian because I, I studied in a very left-leaning department,

02:02:50.980 state communications.

02:02:51.720 And, and so I, to trigger them, I would tell them that I was more conservative than I was.

02:02:57.060 And I would tell them I was a libertarian, but actually I wasn't, but, but no, I was

02:03:00.320 more libertarian back then.

02:03:01.820 I actually turned more, I became over time.

02:03:04.740 And, you know, there's that adage of, right?

02:03:06.840 If you, if you have no heart, if you're not like, uh, what is it?

02:03:11.100 If you're not, if you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart.

02:03:13.240 And if you're not conservative when you're older, you have no head.

02:03:15.040 So the weird thing is maybe.

02:03:16.600 That's a nonsense thing.

02:03:17.140 Yeah, it is a nonsense thing.

02:03:18.440 But I'm, I guess I'm, but I, if I, if you were to believe that I'm losing my head now,

02:03:23.020 because I, I've, I've grown a little more pro socialism over time, um, because I still

02:03:28.860 believe in capitalism, but, um, and I, I definitely have a lot of views on that, but like at the

02:03:34.660 same time, I, I do now, I'm, I'm not libertarian and I do, uh, I have some maybe libertarian beliefs

02:03:40.960 on some things like drugs and stuff, but I do think, um, but I do think that, um, some

02:03:48.220 elements of socialism, I do believe in, uh, like medicine, like healthcare, for example.

02:03:54.380 I want to amend that famous quote.

02:03:56.740 Yeah.

02:03:57.040 And I'll put it this way.

02:03:58.100 If you're a leftist, you are stupid and evil.

02:04:00.380 Oh my God.

02:04:02.260 Yes.

02:04:02.880 Did not see that one coming.

02:04:04.500 Gee.

02:04:05.260 Wow.

02:04:05.620 And that, and that says, I find that, okay.

02:04:07.700 So I find that so not useful because leftists will say like really horrible things about

02:04:13.060 the right wing.

02:04:13.800 And I don't think, I didn't say anything about the right in that.

02:04:15.220 I didn't say the right was good.

02:04:16.660 Yeah.

02:04:17.140 But, uh, but I don't like, I said leftist, not liberal.

02:04:19.000 No, no, but I just don't like say, I understand, but I just don't.

02:04:21.560 If you're a fascist, you're stupid and evil.

02:04:23.360 Okay.

02:04:23.960 I just, I just, I just find that whenever you state anything like, like that, it just, it

02:04:29.860 just breaks conversations down.

02:04:31.460 That's why like, I think some people are like, I won't talk to you if you have a

02:04:34.600 pronoun in your bio.

02:04:36.260 Well, I'm just, but this is an, an inevitability, I suppose.

02:04:41.280 But I talk to people with pronouns in their bios.

02:04:43.540 I talk to like, the reason I do is because I think you don't know where anybody's coming

02:04:47.300 from.

02:04:47.560 You don't know where they're going to go.

02:04:48.680 And if you have free conversations, even not, I told you before we started, I'll even

02:04:52.740 talk to, but you're describing a problem on the left and on the right.

02:04:57.760 I will, I will talk with anybody, Frank, like we'll invite a hardcore communist on this

02:05:02.320 show to talk.

02:05:03.060 They don't do the same.

02:05:04.600 They're the cult that rejects conversation.

02:05:07.680 Look, I've invited people on the show who have insulted me and, and on numerous occasions.

02:05:12.940 If like, I think I did, the problem is on their side, not on my side.

02:05:17.160 Yeah.

02:05:17.340 So, you know, it's going to be what it is.

02:05:20.800 And, and I think it's fair to say that if you're a leftist, you're stupid and evil, of

02:05:25.300 course, is a bit hyperbolic, but I'll clarify in a more academic way.

02:05:28.580 Okay.

02:05:28.860 If you hold hard leftist values, you are ignorant of history, the facts, or, and probably a combination

02:05:36.460 of the two, you are maliciously evil and that you seek to cause harm for personal gain.

02:05:41.340 They want to destroy humanity.

02:05:42.600 They're inherently anti-human.

02:05:44.040 I don't, I don't think it's so absolute to say they're anti-human.

02:05:49.520 Oh, absolutely.

02:05:50.640 I don't think they think that they want to destroy humanity.

02:05:52.220 They want less people.

02:05:53.460 They think you and I are not worthy enough to-

02:05:55.500 That's why I say it's not so absolute.

02:05:56.920 They obviously want some humans to exist to serve them and, and, and abide by their lusts

02:06:02.220 and demands.

02:06:03.300 But, uh, you know, it's, it is an inherently destructive philosophy and ideology.

02:06:07.880 So if you look throughout history, any extremist element, an authoritarian element has been

02:06:14.040 a net negative on humanity and extremely destructive.

02:06:17.380 I am not making any excuses for fascists.

02:06:19.860 They are also stupid and evil.

02:06:20.980 If you hold fascist values and beliefs, you are a combination of ignorant of history and

02:06:26.640 or maliciously evil.

02:06:28.980 Right now, Nazis have no real political swing anywhere in the United States or in Europe,

02:06:33.380 but the left holds tremendous.

02:06:35.880 And I don't mean liberals.

02:06:36.540 I mean, the left holds tremendous institutional power.

02:06:39.420 It's, they're losing it as we've seen with Bud Light and stuff like that.

02:06:42.040 But these are people who are a combination of ignorant and evil.

02:06:45.600 You, you like the, the idea that first, let's talk about ignorant decentralized systems are

02:06:51.660 faster and more efficient than hard centralized command economies, period, end of story.

02:06:56.100 You can look throughout history and see it in every capacity.

02:06:58.880 Additionally, in terms of survivability, the hardcore decentralization also like left libertarian

02:07:05.480 ideologies also don't work.

02:07:06.860 You need to have a balance.

02:07:08.960 There needs to be a degree of hierarchy and a degree of decentralized decision-making,

02:07:14.280 which is why I think America is so brilliant.

02:07:16.600 The executive branch for certain issues, the legislative and judicial branch for other issues

02:07:20.580 is, is masterfully done.

02:07:22.280 And it's probably the best we could have done so far.

02:07:24.600 We can probably improve upon it though.

02:07:25.960 Right now, what we've seen from the left is the, the, the, the combination of left libertarians

02:07:34.700 all right in my book for the most part, not so evil, just kind of ignorant.

02:07:39.340 I like left libertarianism to a great degree, very, very ineffective and can't scale.

02:07:44.440 So what you end up with is in the modern culture war, authoritarian leftism or various degrees

02:07:49.500 of authoritarian, which literally just can't and doesn't work.

02:07:52.120 It results in conflict, fighting, fear, suffering, et cetera.

02:07:56.400 The same is true for ultra traditionalist authoritarianism, you know, for sure.

02:08:00.220 The, the adherence towards like hard cultural values by force.

02:08:04.280 So how can we empower more of the, of the libertarianism that you do like?

02:08:09.000 I think we're winning.

02:08:10.100 And I think we're doing exactly that.

02:08:11.700 If you look at Bud Light and Target, these, these, this corporate adherence is, is, is failing.

02:08:15.920 If you, uh, if you look at where things are starting to trend towards, there's an ebb and

02:08:20.500 flow, there's a pendulum swing leftist gained a lot of power.

02:08:23.940 It caused a massive backlash.

02:08:25.380 Now people are pushing back and we're seeing, uh, uh, you know, with more and more disfected

02:08:30.500 liberals pushing back against this with 9 million Obama supporters voting for Trump, you're seeing

02:08:35.000 an inversion, you know, and a push back into the direction.

02:08:37.460 I don't think you'll ever have a perfect system.

02:08:39.440 You'll just have a constant back and forth.

02:08:41.580 So long as we adhere to, uh, intelligent values and, uh, you know, true, true, true

02:08:49.000 virtues, we'll resist the, the worst evils of, of history in the world.

02:08:53.380 Granted, you know, we sometimes fall.

02:08:54.060 I think a lot of it has to do with the media too.

02:08:56.320 I think the media, especially since it's run by the left is one of the most sinister things

02:09:00.760 that they've done because they've completely bastardized our consciousness and what it means

02:09:04.760 to be human and the things that we care about.

02:09:07.040 So I think dismantling that and empowering more people to have discussions like Tim does

02:09:11.920 here and like other independent journalists are doing is one of the most important steps

02:09:17.080 in, in healing, whatever the hell is going on here and dismantling the left.

02:09:21.660 The challenge is that for a lot of humans, that's why I was saying it's not a mental

02:09:26.280 illness to get a tattoo.

02:09:27.580 Many people don't pay attention, don't care.

02:09:29.880 And just want to say what they have to say to survive.

02:09:32.160 Humans are social beings.

02:09:33.280 So if they believe popular culture mandates X, they will engage in X for the sake of survival.

02:09:38.880 We need to shift the narrative on what is required of people to be good citizens.

02:09:43.800 Conservatives gave that fight up a long time ago.

02:09:46.200 They're starting to push back.

02:09:47.680 You've got to have the big ask.

02:09:49.200 I am not a Christian.

02:09:50.120 I think it's good that Christians are winning certain fights because it creates a middle

02:09:53.300 ground.

02:09:53.940 Yes.

02:09:54.140 You've indicated that you're, you see yourself more as a centrist and, you know, I'm kind

02:10:00.060 of identify as a liberal, but a lot of people have sort of told me, well, you got to pick

02:10:06.100 a side, right?

02:10:07.200 And, and the thing is like politically, so this is kind of my question here, politically,

02:10:13.480 you know, there's always this kind of thing where you got two sides, right?

02:10:19.100 And I don't vote in the US, but like if I was forced to vote in the US, you know, you've

02:10:25.180 got like conservatives or Republicans rather, and then you've got the Democrats and for

02:10:31.620 somebody who doesn't necessarily identify with either, because like one really doesn't

02:10:37.480 quite represent a lot of the things that, you know, I feel.

02:10:41.520 And then the other one, I also feel like it's kind of gone a little, doesn't represent either

02:10:48.140 in the, in the values department, let's say, and how they operate.

02:10:52.280 And what, what do people who are kind of trapped between the two, what, what, what, what choice

02:10:57.500 do they really have?

02:10:58.960 Well, you do have a choice.

02:10:59.840 First, there, there are other political parties taking the defeatist approach of like, well,

02:11:04.360 but they're not going to win.

02:11:05.100 Well, you vote for your principles and no one ever said you deserved to win.

02:11:08.760 If everybody voted on principle, maybe you would, but too people, too many people are

02:11:11.900 scared.

02:11:12.100 Uh, I think the, um, true liberal and centrist approach would be, uh, and libertarian, a vote

02:11:20.560 for Donald Trump because he is your greatest opportunity towards firing the bureaucracy.

02:11:26.500 His hands won't do it.

02:11:27.460 He might, I'm not super concerned.

02:11:29.120 I'm not super trustful that he would.

02:11:31.700 Joe Biden is the bureaucracy.

02:11:33.420 So my view is this, we have a primary system.

02:11:36.760 The primary has a lot of different people of various backgrounds.

02:11:39.280 I mean, Ron Paul ran for president as a Republican, but we know he's very libertarian.

02:11:43.320 It is not that you have two choices.

02:11:45.460 It is, it is not true to say there's only two parties.

02:11:48.260 Who do I vote for?

02:11:49.100 You know, if you think that that means you're only paying attention at the very last minute,

02:11:52.340 if you were there from the beginning of the race, you would know that at the local level

02:11:55.580 and in the primary level, you have an opportunity to vote for people who are more along with you

02:11:58.960 ideologically.

02:11:59.920 And people say the two party system is broken.

02:12:01.780 I completely disagree.

02:12:03.140 You got Bernie Sanders and you got the problem is the privatization of the two parties that for

02:12:07.960 sure, but varying ideologies exist.

02:12:09.980 The democratic socialists are getting a tremendous amount of ground in the democratic party.

02:12:13.740 I just think the, uh, the same thing to do for anybody who truly pays attention is a vote

02:12:17.420 for Donald Trump, not because he's a savior, not because he's a hero, not because he's a

02:12:20.460 good guy, but because the one thing that this country really, really needs is for career

02:12:24.940 bureaucrats in DC to be fired from their jobs because they're unelected.

02:12:28.820 The people who are actually facilitating the filing of paperwork, who are writing the bills,

02:12:32.840 who are, are, who are basically running the system, have not been elected and have been

02:12:37.840 in government for decades.

02:12:39.620 They must be fired.

02:12:40.920 We need term limits on government employees for that reason alone.

02:12:44.960 Our best opportunity moving forward is to get Donald Trump in so he can fire a ton of

02:12:48.520 people.

02:12:48.800 And that's it.

02:12:49.820 He's got one term left.

02:12:51.100 He fires everybody.

02:12:52.320 We need sunset clauses on laws.

02:12:54.680 We need term limits for government employees, and then things will dramatically start to improve

02:12:59.760 outside of that Vivek Ramaswamy, we absolutely, you know, would solve the problem in this country

02:13:04.800 overnight.

02:13:05.760 I believe, and I'll say this as in a preliminary sort of sense that needs review and an honest

02:13:12.500 academic assessment in order to vote, you must sign up for this elective service.

02:13:18.640 You do not have to sign up for this elective service.

02:13:21.220 It is optional that will solve this country's problems, in my opinion, within the matter of

02:13:26.920 a few election cycles.

02:13:28.120 And then would you do away with the draft?

02:13:29.760 No, that is the draft.

02:13:32.280 Here's how it works.

02:13:33.680 You want to vote in this country?

02:13:35.040 Sign up for the draft.

02:13:35.900 You agree with the draft?

02:13:38.020 I don't agree with the federal government sending people to Vietnam in the draft.

02:13:44.160 I do agree that if this country were to be invaded, it should not even be required there

02:13:50.100 be a draft.

02:13:51.120 If someone broke into my house, I will protect my house.

02:13:54.420 If a roving band of gang members were attacking my neighbors, I would do whatever I could

02:14:00.140 to help my neighbors.

02:14:00.740 And then you shouldn't need the draft.

02:14:02.240 I'm actually...

02:14:02.760 That's my point.

02:14:03.380 It should be...

02:14:04.080 It should be...

02:14:04.700 Voluntary, no?

02:14:05.400 It should be that for among American citizens, we all agree that the draft, the problem with

02:14:12.300 the draft and why I have opposed it and why most people do is because we sent people overseas

02:14:16.500 to Vietnam.

02:14:17.680 Why?

02:14:18.420 Because we are scared.

02:14:19.520 The Viet Cong and the communists were spreading...

02:14:21.780 Get out of here.

02:14:22.520 I don't care about that.

02:14:23.580 But if you were a country fighting for noble causes, you might not need a draft necessarily

02:14:28.340 because people would want to fight for their country.

02:14:31.500 So I think that...

02:14:32.100 Right.

02:14:32.320 If the United States was being invaded, most people would probably agree we need to stand

02:14:35.460 up and defend ourselves.

02:14:36.320 It's not a choice at that point.

02:14:37.600 I mean, I'm actually against the draft because I think it's immoral to force somebody to fight

02:14:42.680 to kill.

02:14:44.380 I would actually agree with you.

02:14:45.760 If...

02:14:46.680 I disagree.

02:14:47.800 I think that view exists only in a liberalized society that hasn't actually had to deal with

02:14:54.300 conflict.

02:14:55.020 But I assure you, if someone broke into your house and had a knife and was threatening

02:14:58.720 your children...

02:14:59.380 No, but you could...

02:14:59.920 No, no.

02:15:00.600 Because voluntarily, probably, like if that was the case, I would fight, right?

02:15:06.300 That's my point.

02:15:07.040 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:07.500 But I'm saying that's why I wouldn't have a draft, though.

02:15:10.580 I don't think it's fair to force someone to do that.

02:15:13.400 But it doesn't mean that other people won't choose to voluntarily do it or that I wouldn't

02:15:18.360 choose to.

02:15:18.940 I understand.

02:15:19.620 I agree.

02:15:20.360 It shouldn't be mandated.

02:15:21.880 It should be unthinkable not to.

02:15:23.400 Yes.

02:15:23.480 Correct.

02:15:23.920 However, my point is this.

02:15:25.080 Yeah.

02:15:25.740 If right now we said, in order to vote, you have to sign up.

02:15:29.200 We're resetting selective service.

02:15:32.000 Everyone, it is optional, men and women, optional to sign up.

02:15:35.760 If you want to vote, you must sign up.

02:15:37.720 That's all you have to do.

02:15:39.120 That's the bare minimum.

02:15:40.780 You know what would happen in this country?

02:15:42.100 Uninformed, ignorant and lazy people would be like, no way I'm signing up for that.

02:15:48.240 And well-informed, impassioned people who would defend this country would be like, I

02:15:52.040 absolutely would fight for this country.

02:15:53.620 I'll sign up for that.

02:15:54.700 It is an optional thing to do.

02:15:56.180 You don't have to, but you don't get to vote unless you do.

02:15:59.100 If you won't swear a pledge to defend this country, why should I allow you to have said

02:16:03.680 But only defend the country if it's invaded.

02:16:05.720 Yeah.

02:16:06.120 That's the problem with the draft, admittedly, that people in power will weaponize it for war

02:16:10.960 and gain and stuff.

02:16:11.760 Yeah.

02:16:12.100 But I think this right now, again, I'm saying it requires assessment.

02:16:15.600 There's too many people voting.

02:16:16.720 There's too many stupid people voting.

02:16:18.360 And so how do you solve it?

02:16:19.640 Well, you still have the option to vote.

02:16:21.380 But what if we said this?

02:16:23.080 Right now, people are complaining that only men have to sign up for the selective service.

02:16:27.000 And a lot of men complain they have to in the first place.

02:16:29.540 It is like, hey, I oppose the draft.

02:16:31.140 It's like, okay.

02:16:31.540 Well, how about we say this?

02:16:33.000 You have no duty to this country, but you can't vote.

02:16:36.440 How's that choice?

02:16:37.200 I think that's fair.

02:16:38.620 You have no obligation to die for this nation, but you also don't get the privilege of choosing

02:16:42.780 how the nation is run.

02:16:43.580 Then the only people who will be voting are the people who could fight in the first place.

02:16:48.140 And is that, would you say that's only for, that's for federal elections or even local elections?

02:16:54.000 Everything.

02:16:54.500 If I wanted to vote for city council, I wouldn't have to sign up for it.

02:16:58.480 You can serve this nation during wartime without fighting.

02:17:01.380 There are things that anyone can do no matter how old you are.

02:17:03.140 So in order to vote for city council or my local, I would have to sign up to serve federally

02:17:12.960 to protect the country.

02:17:15.360 Signing up for selective service is being called, there's a bunch of different branches.

02:17:20.840 Theoretically, it could be National Guard, it could be Coast Guard, whatever.

02:17:23.440 Yeah, but that would be for the nation as opposed to local municipalities.

02:17:26.580 Absolutely.

02:17:27.620 No, I don't agree with that.

02:17:28.140 Here's what happens.

02:17:28.680 People who sign up for selective service are the ones who would have to go to war.

02:17:34.440 Guess which direction they would be likely to vote in.

02:17:37.220 The people who don't go to war are voting for war.

02:17:40.340 The people who aren't serving, Democrats are supporting war in Ukraine,

02:17:44.420 likely getting us involved in a foreign entanglement, which may have no end.

02:17:47.960 Hey, if you are unwilling to fight that war, don't vote for it.

02:17:51.680 Let's take away.

02:17:52.620 So here's what we do.

02:17:53.520 Here's what I just like want to bridge built my town.

02:17:56.400 I have to now be in the selective service.

02:17:58.680 Absolutely not.

02:17:59.120 You think you have a right to take the money from people in this country without putting up anything in return?

02:18:05.120 No, that's not what I'm saying.

02:18:06.080 You want to build a bridge that costs money.

02:18:07.480 Where's that money coming from?

02:18:08.560 Me, you, taxpayers, but absolutely not.

02:18:11.480 So if you want to say-

02:18:12.280 So I would have to fight in a war to get a bridge.

02:18:15.820 Technically, you would have to fight in a war.

02:18:18.420 Like, how often would you be voting for war?

02:18:21.280 Would you, you would vote-

02:18:21.920 I don't know.

02:18:22.200 I feel like you could have a lot less issues if you just removed the D's and the R's.

02:18:26.600 This is what you're misunderstanding.

02:18:27.320 If the only people who can vote are those who are the ones eligible to fight, they're not going to vote for war.

02:18:35.440 Yeah, that would be effective at stopping war and anti-interventionists.

02:18:39.760 Making sure that only those with skin in the game are the ones who are overseeing how we actually run the show.

02:18:43.760 I don't think you need to go to war to have skin in the game.

02:18:47.660 I think mothers in this country have a lot of skin in the game, raising the entire next generation.

02:18:53.240 Well, then, that's ultimately the point.

02:18:55.400 That's why I'm saying this is a simple approach.

02:18:59.000 There's got to be some-

02:19:00.680 You want mothers to have to sign up for that?

02:19:02.220 I mean, I'm probably not voting for anyone.

02:19:03.680 The draft could involve cooking food.

02:19:05.400 Yeah.

02:19:06.020 So, the misconception people have is that when you're drafted, like, you're on the front line with a gun.

02:19:10.760 It's like, bro, you could be fixing refrigerators.

02:19:13.480 You could literally be running a daycare.

02:19:15.100 Do I look like I'm going to fix refrigerators?

02:19:16.960 Are you going to run a daycare?

02:19:18.360 Absolutely.

02:19:18.620 Are you going to take care of kids?

02:19:20.620 You wouldn't take care of people's kids?

02:19:22.360 I don't know about that one, Tim.

02:19:23.340 Who are, like, building a bridge?

02:19:24.980 I don't know.

02:19:25.540 It depends.

02:19:25.900 Are you a Nazi or a transgender?

02:19:28.340 So, yes, one of the roles in a time of conflict could be watching kids.

02:19:35.260 The assumption that-

02:19:36.620 Like, a lot of people who got drafted cooked food.

02:19:39.480 And many of them didn't even go overseas.

02:19:41.780 Some of them, like, filed paperwork.

02:19:44.680 The idea that you refuse to serve your country but demand the right to dictate what that country do is insane to me.

02:19:50.200 Like, you've got to have some skin in the game.

02:19:52.160 You can't just be like, I live here, therefore I can tell what everyone else wants to do.

02:19:54.780 I would agree with that more if it was for federal elections.

02:19:57.680 But if I want to vote in a local election, I don't think I should need to serve the state.

02:20:03.240 Yeah, I mean, like-

02:20:03.840 You want to dictate what the state does without providing anything to us.

02:20:06.860 No, no, no.

02:20:06.960 You are paying taxes.

02:20:07.960 You are providing something to the state.

02:20:10.640 There's questions around that.

02:20:11.800 I just think it isn't-

02:20:15.000 That's why I said it requires academic review to assess how you actually navigate this.

02:20:18.640 But I'll put it simply.

02:20:19.320 It is a greater detriment that we allow people with contempt for the system to vote in it.

02:20:24.820 Yeah.

02:20:25.520 I would agree with that.

02:20:26.620 If given the choice between leftists who hate America voting for its destruction and you have to have some skin in the game and a commitment to vote in the system,

02:20:34.160 we're better off with those who are willing to say, yeah, I'll work for the community.

02:20:39.660 You know, I'm willing to do that.

02:20:40.680 I will say, there's a lot of people who hate America lately.

02:20:43.660 Like, both on the left and I will say also on the right, which is like, for different reasons, though, for different reasons.

02:20:51.240 But like, I've just noticed that as someone who does not hate America.

02:20:55.620 Yeah.

02:20:56.220 But you're Canadian, right?

02:20:57.380 I am.

02:20:57.840 I lived in New York also, though.

02:20:59.040 Oh, okay.

02:20:59.280 So I've spent a lot of time in the U.S.

02:21:00.760 And I've just like-

02:21:01.760 A Canadian who loves America.

02:21:02.700 I do.

02:21:03.120 I do.

02:21:03.620 How do you feel about Trudeau?

02:21:06.900 Thanks.

02:21:08.180 Well, you're right wing.

02:21:09.520 You know what?

02:21:10.240 Yeah, this will make me a little right wing.

02:21:12.660 Little?

02:21:13.300 You're a Nazi now.

02:21:13.960 I'm a Nazi now.

02:21:15.360 I am not.

02:21:16.100 She can maybe restrict my kids.

02:21:17.260 I'm stuck right now on my next election cycle because, here's the thing.

02:21:21.680 Okay.

02:21:22.200 Thanks a lot, Ashley.

02:21:24.680 I am, so I didn't used to like, so I didn't love, I never liked Trudeau particularly, but

02:21:30.740 just because I didn't think he was particularly smart.

02:21:33.220 And I have a lot of friends in common with him, so I knew he wasn't particularly smart.

02:21:39.100 But I didn't like loathe him.

02:21:41.440 And then I saw what he did with the, what is it, the military act, I forget what the

02:21:47.140 act is called, but specifically he froze people's bank accounts.

02:21:50.280 Oh, wow, yeah.

02:21:51.120 Yeah, and I was like, even people-

02:21:52.560 For the truckers?

02:21:53.520 Yeah, for the truckers.

02:21:54.420 Even people like in other countries were like, that's like, invoking that is like, man, that

02:22:00.380 was like pretty awful.

02:22:01.860 And that made me like fearful.

02:22:04.340 That actually made me-

02:22:05.160 Got a lot of oxygen.

02:22:05.860 The air quality is real bad.

02:22:07.200 Oh, and even like, and even calling people the things that he called them, just like

02:22:12.820 for, like, I just watched that and I was just astounded by somebody who is prime minister

02:22:19.260 doing that.

02:22:20.220 It was just, to me, that was crazy.

02:22:22.560 So final thoughts, I guess we went a little over, but we'll wrap up here.

02:22:24.880 I guess my point is, you know, the fact that you're willing to come here, the fact that

02:22:29.600 you agree on some of these issues means you're right wing.

02:22:32.500 Yeah, I'm a Nazi.

02:22:33.840 Okay.

02:22:34.580 They'll say something like, you're a fake liberal and they'll insult you for it and stuff

02:22:40.120 like that.

02:22:41.160 But we'll wrap it up there.

02:22:43.460 I never really, like, we're getting into the swing of this show where we're going to be

02:22:46.280 building a new set.

02:22:47.100 We're going to be setting up new cameras and, you know, because right now this table is designed

02:22:50.620 for like a multi-person conversation, not like a one-on-one kind of thing.

02:22:53.860 But those things are coming, so-

02:22:55.280 There's three of us, Tim.

02:22:56.300 Jeez.

02:22:57.060 Yeah.

02:22:57.760 But like, we're going to have probably like a half moon table or something.

02:23:02.240 Okay.

02:23:02.280 And, you know, we're like-

02:23:03.020 That'd be cool.

02:23:03.600 Design like a different set specifically for-

02:23:05.920 This is a table that fits six people.

02:23:07.500 You know what I mean?

02:23:07.660 I love how he ended the conversation on, you're a Nazi now and you're a right winger.

02:23:12.300 Well, because you oppose Trudeau.

02:23:14.100 Yeah.

02:23:14.300 And no, I do think it's awesome that you came out here and had the conversation despite-

02:23:18.660 Yeah.

02:23:18.760 Yeah.

02:23:18.860 But you're, you know, you are very different from, say, you know, the typical Twitter leftist

02:23:23.600 or whatever, you know.

02:23:24.500 I am.

02:23:25.220 But it also took me, I will say, like, it took me a little time to get there.

02:23:28.620 I used to never talk to anybody on the right, I'll be honest there.

02:23:32.200 It's a cult.

02:23:33.520 Yeah.

02:23:34.080 It wasn't, it wasn't intentional.

02:23:35.680 I was just isolated, right?

02:23:37.500 And it was like, it took a bit of intention to get to the point.

02:23:40.020 That's what abusive cults do.

02:23:41.300 A study that I like to cite shows that moderates consume two-thirds liberal sources, one-third

02:23:49.260 conservative sources.

02:23:50.900 Conservatives consume two-thirds conservative sources, one-third liberal sources.

02:23:54.740 And liberals consume 98% liberal sources.

02:23:57.740 So you quite literally have moderates and conservatives having the real conversation and liberals in

02:24:02.820 a bubble.

02:24:03.700 But we'll wrap it up there.

02:24:05.140 It's been a blast.

02:24:05.700 Thank you guys for hanging out and having the conversation.

02:24:07.680 Of course.

02:24:08.340 It's very fun.

02:24:08.920 I'm going to hit more of this oxygen.

02:24:10.260 I did give both Catherine and Ashley oxygen.

02:24:13.920 You guys should get this, what is it, boost oxygen?

02:24:15.920 Boost oxygen.

02:24:16.880 Yeah.

02:24:17.160 I don't know.

02:24:17.540 I'm not a doctor, so I just got it.

02:24:18.940 I saw an ad.

02:24:19.620 And I swear I didn't bring the smoke here, even though I got blamed for it.

02:24:23.960 Canadians.

02:24:25.460 But man, I...

02:24:26.980 You guys got to get your fires in order, man.

02:24:28.240 We need to ban Canada instead of my New York City wood fire pizza.

02:24:30.680 We got to build a 200-foot, big, beautiful wall from sea to shining sea to block out the

02:24:35.660 smoke that's coming from Canada.

02:24:36.880 But anyway, do you guys want to shout anything out before we wrap up?

02:24:39.560 Sure.

02:24:39.920 I'll shout out my Twitter handle is mysteriouscat with a K-A-T.

02:24:44.620 And I also have a substack where I criticize both sides of the aisle and also talk about

02:24:50.820 random things like imaginary friends that I don't have.

02:24:55.560 And my substack, I guess the easiest way to find it is katherinewrites, K-A-T-H-E-R-I-N-E,

02:25:04.800 writes, I think you can spell that, .com.

02:25:07.700 And those are the best ways to find me.

02:25:10.820 And I appreciate you having me with this.

02:25:13.900 And I guess I'm a Nazi now, officially.

02:25:16.820 Thanks, Raina.

02:25:17.080 Please don't clip that.

02:25:19.160 Now someone's going to.

02:25:20.640 Oh, God.

02:25:21.600 There's a couple in there.

02:25:22.660 I hope they clip it.

02:25:23.740 You can follow me on Twitter at St. Clair Ashley.

02:25:26.060 And you can buy my book, Elephants Are Not Birds.

02:25:28.160 And as always, check out thebabylonbee.com.

02:25:30.720 All right, everybody.

02:25:31.580 Thanks for hanging out.

02:25:32.440 Become a member at timcast.com.

02:25:33.820 We have a really awesome episode coming up next Friday in the culture war.

02:25:38.220 Two guests.

02:25:39.120 We're slowly building up the show.

02:25:41.380 So I want to make sure that when we're booking people, we get clearance for promotion.

02:25:45.760 So that Monday we can promote Friday, the big event in the morning.

02:25:49.280 We're going to be having these two individuals because I'm so excited for next week.

02:25:53.700 I'm not going to say anything just yet, but you'll love it.

02:25:56.360 It'll be a whole lot of fun.

02:25:57.360 And I'll leave it there.

02:25:58.060 Thanks for hanging out.

02:25:58.740 And we will see you all tonight at Timcast IRL, 8 p.m.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - June 30, 2023

The Culture War #19 - Has The Right Gone WOKE, w⧸ Ashley St Clair & Katherine Brodsky

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