The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #22 - Should The US Permit Early Voting？ w⧸ Mike Lindell and Matt Braynard

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00:00:58.140 Good morning and welcome to Culture War. I'm Hannah Claire Brimlow. I'm filling in for Tim while he's

00:01:06.520 away taking some sick leave. I'm so excited to be joined today by two very reputable men who are

00:01:12.560 interested in the election. We're here today to ask questions about how we make our elections

00:01:17.740 stronger, especially coming up on a pivotal year like the election year 2024. You'll hear a little

00:01:22.980 bit today about early voting, mail-in ballots, election integrity. I'm really looking forward

00:01:28.020 to this debate. So without further ado, I'm joined today by Matt Brainerd and Mike Lindell. Matt,

00:01:32.600 do you want to introduce yourself a little bit? Thanks. Yeah, my name is Matt Brainerd.

00:01:35.660 I've been working on elections and in campaigns since 1994. I've been on five presidential campaigns,

00:01:41.220 most recently President Trump's campaign in 16, where I was on the senior staff directing

00:01:44.900 voter targeting and voter turnout operations. I have started a foundation called Look Ahead America

00:01:51.480 back in 2017 to do voter registration and turnout, as well as help secure the elections and fight

00:01:57.800 against illegal ballots. In the aftermath of the 2020 election, I was retained by President Trump's

00:02:04.260 legal team and even before that started the Voter Integrity Project, where we documented that the

00:02:09.620 number of illegally cast ballots surpassed the margin of victory in a few states. And we're very

00:02:15.020 proud of our work. And that has continued with Look Ahead America, where we have continued to try to

00:02:20.540 secure our elections by passing legislation, by getting convictions for voter fraud, cleaning up voter

00:02:25.260 rolls. But more importantly than that, I think, is doing voter registration and voter turnout programs.

00:02:32.900 Great. Well, I'm so glad that you're here today. And of course, we're joined by Mike Lindell.

00:02:36.540 Give us a little bit of your background. Of course, you're famous for MyPillow.

00:02:39.620 Well, before MyPillow, I was an addict in every way, crack cocaine and all kinds of addictions.

00:02:47.060 And when God set me free of that, I set up the LindellRecoveryNetwork.org free to any addicts

00:02:54.280 that need help. And I was going around doing speaking around the country in churches and

00:02:59.780 everywhere. And then the election of 2020 happened. And I wasn't into politics back when I didn't think

00:03:07.780 it mattered in our lives. I really didn't. And it didn't affect me. I was, you know, I was an addict.

00:03:12.420 That doesn't affect me. Well, then when I was, I got evidence in January of 21, my life changed

00:03:20.800 forever because I never stopped 18 hours a day for the past two and a half years fighting to fix our

00:03:26.880 election platforms. And tens and tens of millions of dollars poured into it because we need to have

00:03:33.160 elections rather than selections. And this isn't a party thing. This is a people thing that we need

00:03:39.260 to right now fix our election platforms. Great. Well, I'm glad that you referenced this as a people

00:03:44.980 thing. I'm going to jump into this by referencing a 2018 Pew study that found that the majority of

00:03:50.320 Americans, 55 percent, don't feel as though our elections are secure. We know that historically

00:03:55.820 there's voter apathy, that people don't feel like their voices are heard through our election systems

00:03:59.960 or that they can trust necessarily that the ballots they cast are really achieving what

00:04:05.680 they're wanting to see in the country. Matt, since you, since you called us here today on an episode

00:04:10.840 of Timcast IRL, why don't you lead off and say, what's the first way that we get voters re-engaged

00:04:16.640 and trusting the system? So I want to make really clear at the beginning that there's a, a demarcation.

00:04:22.680 There's two different discussions, two different missions that have to be fought. And I want to make

00:04:27.560 sure that they don't get conflated. By the way, um, my team at lookahead.org is, uh, is live

00:04:33.180 tweeting because I'm going to throw up some exhibits. So if you want to follow the exhibits

00:04:36.040 that I'm throwing up here, you can find them at lookahead.org on Twitter and I'll throw them up

00:04:41.240 here. But I just, um, if Julie could throw up tweet number one, and I'll share these with you

00:04:45.440 is that we have a real problem where there is some problems with the election. And I don't think

00:04:50.360 anybody's done a better job documenting them and then following up to try to fix those problems than I

00:04:55.880 have. And the lookahead America and our team has done. We passed legislation in countless states

00:05:00.640 to fix this election. It's not perfect. We've documented, uh, many illegal ballots were cast

00:05:06.760 and we've gotten voter rules, voter rolls cleaned up with the great help of Steve Bannon and his

00:05:11.700 worm crew. We submitted likely illegal voters to thousands of activists so they could then do

00:05:17.780 their own research and then push their County governments to remove those voters from the role.

00:05:21.920 So that's, it's very important discussion. It's something we have to persist in, but the other

00:05:25.240 side of that, which is in some ways, actually an anti-fraud effort as well is to encourage voters

00:05:31.240 to vote early by in-person early or by mail or sign up for automatic absentee as we're able to do in my

00:05:38.960 home state of Virginia. And we have not done a very good job at that. And part of the reason we struggle

00:05:44.580 with that is because we have a lot of voices saying, Oh no, don't do that. Only vote on election day.

00:05:49.320 Don't push your people to do early. Don't push your people to vote by absentee or mail or anything

00:05:54.040 like that. And I just want to illustrate the cost of that because there's a very real and

00:05:58.560 significant cost. So I want to throw up, this is, uh, Nevada, the 2022 election. Adam Laxalt was the

00:06:05.500 Republican candidate for us Senate. He lost that election by just under 8,000 votes. The number of

00:06:12.080 Republicans who did not show up to vote, maybe they thought they were going to vote on election day,

00:06:17.040 but the bottom line is we didn't try to harvest their ballot. We didn't try to chase their ballot.

00:06:20.960 The number of Republicans who did not vote was 200,000. I'll give you another example. A very

00:06:27.500 good friend of the show, Joe Kent, Washington's third congressional district. He lost that election

00:06:32.800 by less than 1%. 2,633 votes. But, and this is a state where the left Democrats do a very good job

00:06:41.560 harvesting ballots. Republicans, no, we're just going to vote on game day. We had almost 100,000 absent

00:06:48.420 Republicans. We did not knock on their door. We did not collect their ballots, even though it's legal

00:06:52.660 to do so there. I'll give you another- But they also didn't take themselves to the polls. I mean,

00:06:56.580 is it something about Republicans specifically? It's something about lower propensity voters. And when

00:07:02.000 you're losing elections because the people who are going to vote for you don't show up, you have to

00:07:06.640 take action. What the left does is they go to the door. They either collect the ballot where it's

00:07:11.560 legal. When it's not, they just, hey, sign up for early absentee. Hey, you haven't voted yet. Can you

00:07:15.980 vote, please? Just constantly saying, vote early, bank the vote. And I actually want to give one really

00:07:19.820 good example here because I know that Mike and I have a couple of friends in Arizona. In Arizona,

00:07:25.440 Kerry Lake lost the governor's race by around 17,000 votes. Blake Masters by 125, Finchman by 120K,

00:07:31.860 Abe by only 280. But in that state, there are 408,000 absent Republicans who did not show up to

00:07:40.560 the vote. The left has done a much better job turning these people out for their candidates,

00:07:45.880 our refusal to engage with it, and the resistance that we're facing. Because there are only two people

00:07:50.940 I know of of prominence in this country that are saying, oh, don't vote early. Don't vote absentee if

00:07:55.520 you're a Republican. Save it for election day, if that at all. And those people are Mike Lindell

00:08:00.300 and Van Jones, CNN commentator, who was in the Obama administration and got fired because he

00:08:07.080 had communist ties. So those are the voices that are saying, don't do this, but it has a real cost.

00:08:12.800 And there are other reasons why we should be voting early. And I'll tell you two of them.

00:08:17.300 Number one is that whenever you vote early or absentee, the campaigns, and I ran a lot of

00:08:23.480 campaigns last cycle. I directed about $7 million in voter contact, okay? When you vote early, we know

00:08:30.300 that you voted early. So what that means is that we no longer have to spend money or volunteer hours

00:08:35.580 trying to turn you out. So voter contact, direct mail, door knockers, phone calls, digital,

00:08:41.860 MMS texts, that costs a lot of money. So what the left and the Democrats do is they get as many as

00:08:47.800 their people to vote early as possible so they don't have to contact them anywhere. And they can

00:08:51.120 take their limited financial resources and focus them solely on the hard cases. A much narrower universe,

00:08:56.200 more dollars spent per voter, right? Our people wait until election day and we're not really sure

00:09:02.000 who's going to vote and who's not going to vote. So the cost for us to target that much larger

00:09:07.660 universe, and we're already at a financial disadvantage with the left, is tremendous.

00:09:11.420 So just by you voting early or absentee, you're basically making a contribution of up to several

00:09:16.580 hundred dollars to the candidates that you support. Finally, of all the illegal ballots that we were

00:09:22.140 able to document, and we've documented a lot of them, it's primarily people casting votes they

00:09:26.680 shouldn't have cast. And in some cases, maybe somebody else cast that vote in their name.

00:09:30.760 They got a handle on somebody's ballot they shouldn't have and cast it. Or we fear about,

00:09:35.360 you know, not showing ID on election day. The very best way to prevent your ballot from being cast by

00:09:39.820 somebody else is do it yourself early. So it's an anti-fraud effort. Now look, Mike and I can talk

00:09:44.900 all day long about different ways to secure the elections, but that's on a different track.

00:09:48.860 While we do that, we have to do everything we can to get our people to vote early, vote absentee,

00:09:54.580 in person, however it takes, as soon as possible, and to fund efforts to go after the hard cases.

00:10:00.240 Look, you can tell these people all the reasons in the world they should vote on election day,

00:10:03.380 but they're not going to. They're just not that engaged. We've had hundreds of thousands. You've

00:10:07.100 seen every one of these elections. I can even show Herschel Walker here. He lost by 100,000 votes in

00:10:12.500 Georgia. There were almost 600,000 Republicans who did not show up. These people cannot be

00:10:18.840 shouted at to go vote on election day. But if we go to their door, and we get them signed up for

00:10:23.680 early absentee, and we lower the threshold it takes for them to cast those ballots, that's how

00:10:28.380 we get them. That's how the left does it, and we just got to get in the game. Mike, do you want to

00:10:33.560 respond to any of this? Yeah. Okay. For two and a half years now, I've been submersed in this, and

00:10:42.420 I've forgotten more about elections and the crime involved and the ways they cheat than I could ever

00:10:50.340 imagine. What we've learned is, I'll start with the cast vote records. Cast vote records on the

00:11:00.940 Freedom of Information Act, and we've got one-third of them for just 2020 election alone. Every one of

00:11:07.420 them showed computer manipulation of our elections. The big elephant in the room is the computerized

00:11:15.500 elections we use now, and they have to go. We have France, Germany, the Netherlands, the UK,

00:11:24.460 all paper ballots, hand counted, done in one day. It's beautiful. I'm going to take an example of what

00:11:30.440 we learned. By last summer, we already learned that it's harder for them to cheat in same-day

00:11:37.340 voting. It's 10 times harder, maybe even more than that. Because of looking at the data, the data

00:11:43.620 from the cast vote records and other data that we got, and I have hundreds of thousands of people in

00:11:48.520 every state. Every state, we do a call once a week. We have the cause of America and all this. So

00:11:53.920 we've collected more data, learned more, have done more lawsuits, been spearheading everything out

00:11:59.980 there that has to do with fighting to fix these platforms. Last year, we told Cary Lake, I'm going

00:12:06.700 to use that, he brought up Arizona. Last year, Cary Lake, we told everyone in this country, vote same

00:12:12.860 day, vote same day. It's harder for them to cheat because they can't take the names from the dirty voter

00:12:19.200 rolls, which almost every state has it, just on the Herschel Walker one there. And just in this last

00:12:24.840 of the Herschel Walker election, there was 800,000 more voters that they say voted that the census says

00:12:31.960 than the Secretary of State reported. Well, those 800,000, where'd they come from? But Cary Lake last

00:12:37.620 year, we told everybody, vote same day. Everyone out in Arizona during that primary, and they voted same

00:12:43.660 day, okay? If everybody remembers what happened, by 11 o'clock at night, now they were counting

00:12:49.020 all the early votes. Cary Lake was down by 10% at 11 o'clock. I had her on the phone. She goes,

00:12:54.900 well, here come the same day votes, and the same day votes come in. By three o'clock in the morning,

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00:14:31.740 What did they do? They shut it down. They were all coming in 70-30 out of Maricopa County,

00:14:38.380 70-30, 70-30 for Kerry. They shut it down and three and a half days we waited. There wasn't

00:14:45.000 enough votes there to do any cheating. They couldn't do it. There wasn't enough. So I say

00:14:52.080 that the bad guys, the unit party, they're over there going, okay, we'll take it from her in the

00:14:56.420 primary. I mean, in the general. So what we did then, we told everybody, hey, this is

00:15:01.680 working. They're going to have to expose themselves. So what we did, we went out again and said,

00:15:06.720 everybody vote same day. Everybody vote same day. And a big voice out there, well, I woke up on

00:15:13.220 November 8th and I'm going, wow, this is great. They did have to expose themselves. They shut down

00:15:19.600 262 machines in Arizona, Maricopa County. It was all over the news from Fox, even Fox was reporting,

00:15:27.880 amazing, all over the news that there's problem with these machines.

00:15:31.140 Just let me finish this part. So everyone that was there, everyone that came there then,

00:15:37.400 they said, put the ballot in the box. It's now, they didn't work in the machines. 262 of them.

00:15:43.000 Put the ballot in the box. That essentially, those ballots became ballot harvest ballots.

00:15:49.140 No chain of custody when they left there, just like other ballots that would be ballot harvest,

00:15:53.800 no chain of custody. What happened then was people say the narrative was, oh, people stood in line,

00:15:59.680 people stood in line, they were disenfranchised. Nobody was. They wanted to vote and they got,

00:16:04.200 went to other places to vote. They voted. But those ballots there, quarter million ballots,

00:16:09.220 never had chain of custody. And that's still in court down there.

00:16:12.880 I was going to say, I mean, these are really interesting things to bring up. I will say,

00:16:16.440 if we're responding directly to Matt, you're referencing elections that the Republicans did lose.

00:16:21.100 So if the goal is to see corruption and gain evidence that I can see some of the argument.

00:16:25.540 On the other hand, if Matt's saying we're trying to win elections and early voting

00:16:29.060 is the way to secure that, I'm not really sure if we're arguing for the same objective.

00:16:34.400 But that's not, he's not entirely factually correct. First, let's talk about Arizona since

00:16:38.860 you bring it up. First of all, is that there were problems in Maricopa on election day for

00:16:44.520 people who voted on election day. They waited in really long lines. And I'm disappointed that

00:16:48.500 Carrie Lake's lawsuit didn't go forward because I would have liked to see how many people

00:16:52.820 did, in fact, get dissuaded from voting because of that. But you said it's a state where

00:16:58.700 Republicans lost. And that's not actually true. Because do you know who won by the largest margin

00:17:04.940 in Arizona? I'll pull the chart up here again. So you can see. Sorry. There's the auditor.

00:17:11.160 All these guys, the person who won by the largest margin was a Republican,

00:17:16.040 the Republican state treasurer. She won by 200,000 votes. Now, to make allegations of some kind of funny

00:17:21.440 business happening is kind of bizarre because if they're so sophisticated, they were able to hack

00:17:25.600 this election and a chain of custody issue, et cetera. And yet they let one of the most powerful

00:17:29.620 statewide constitutional offices be won by a Republican by over 200,000 votes.

00:17:33.380 But then why didn't Carrie Lake win? If you're saying Republicans didn't turn out.

00:17:35.720 It's never happened before.

00:17:36.880 Oh, no, no. Not enough Republicans turned out. Like she lost by 17,000 and 400,000 over 400 didn't turn

00:17:43.320 out. If we had done a better job with early voting and getting people signed up for automatic

00:17:48.480 absentee and voting, she probably would have. But what I'm getting at is that the allegation that

00:17:52.120 something funny happened is disproven by the fact that the person who won by the largest margin

00:17:56.520 was a Republican. Why these guys did not perform as well as the treasurer did? That's probably a

00:18:01.660 question about campaigning and messaging. That's a different discussion that needs to be had.

00:18:05.240 I'd like to rebuttal that. I talked to people when I ran for RNC chart, I talked to people that have

00:18:10.580 been involved in elections for decades. And all of them said, never in the history of our country

00:18:17.440 has a treasurer got 200 some thousand more votes than the person running for governor. You're going

00:18:23.860 to look down there. Oh, I don't really like Carrie Lake. I'm going to go for Katie Hobbs,

00:18:27.300 and I'm not going to go for this treasurer. They were caught. The reason they were caught is on

00:18:32.100 election day, everybody put in their votes. They had to do something with them. Carrie Lake would

00:18:36.180 have won by the same amount as that, a couple hundred thousand votes. This, by doing that, we exposed

00:18:41.740 them by them voting on election day. Everybody voting there, you're caught. I'll give an example.

00:18:47.060 You look, all these are deviations. And you go over to Georgia. In Georgia, in the primary last

00:18:52.760 summer, there's a nice Democrat, three Democrats. For me, this isn't a Democrat or Republican thing.

00:18:57.340 This is fixing our election. I'm fine with whoever wins as long as they're elected, okay, and not

00:19:03.120 selected. In Georgia, this nice Democrat and her husband, she got three Democrats when he got zero

00:19:09.320 votes in her own precinct. Zero. Now that's, you know, they should have gave her two votes and said,

00:19:14.340 I'm sorry, just your husband loves you. Instead, they got zero. So they had to look into it. So for

00:19:19.420 one of the first times ever, they looked inside the computers and go, oh, there's a mistake. It's an

00:19:23.920 error. You really got 3,162. You went from third to first. Another county, five counties over, another

00:19:31.180 Democrat, three Democrats, she got 4,600 votes, but she wasn't on the ballot. She wasn't a write-in.

00:19:38.100 She had dropped out two months prior, and they called that a programming error, and all her votes

00:19:44.300 went to, that went to her, were pulled from this other guy, and instead this person won. Now they

00:19:50.800 gave them back to that guy, and he won. The media didn't cover that. This is what we're up against.

00:19:55.860 These, the machine manipulation and the computer manipulation, you can't out-harvest a machine.

00:20:01.380 They want to do your dirty work for you. You ballot harvest, and now they have the dirty voter rolls,

00:20:06.180 these computerized. Let's just pull names. Every county in the United States, except for two in

00:20:11.160 the 2020 election, had people vote in their county that didn't live in the county, and they, and people

00:20:17.900 that were deceased, they didn't vote. They just used their names.

00:20:22.080 I don't want to go like, let's, we can get deep into the numbers, but you said something interesting.

00:20:26.740 It's all about the numbers.

00:20:27.280 You said something interesting is that, well, here's an interesting number. You said you've been at this for

00:20:30.680 about two and a half years. I've been at this for several decades, and I actually want to read you

00:20:35.020 some quotes from some people. They're not people who stumbled into this in 2000.

00:20:39.640 I didn't stumble into it. I've spent $60 million in 18 hours a day.

00:20:43.940 We can talk about that.

00:20:44.440 And doing more investigations than you've ever done in 30 years.

00:20:47.960 Well, we'll see about that. But President Trump, sorry, by the way, President Trump did vote

00:20:53.020 by mail himself in 2000. I'm going to read you a quote from him. Until we can eliminate ballot

00:20:57.980 harvesting, we must master ballot harvesting. Don Jr.

00:21:00.860 Hold it, hold it. Go back to Donald Trump. He has since changed that. He has not said

00:21:05.940 one thing about it since that quote.

00:21:08.020 Let's keep going, though. Cary Lake, urgent Arizona. If you have a mail-in ballot, fill

00:21:11.920 it out and mail it ASAP. Don Jr., don't just wait for election day. If you're Republican,

00:21:16.960 we know we like to vote on election day. Get out there, start voting early, bring your

00:21:19.940 friends. Scott Pressler, a par excellence on voter registration and voting matters. By early

00:21:26.280 voting, you're able to identify potential problems and solve them before it's too late, which I agree

00:21:30.100 with completely. And this is him continuing. If Republicans plan to vote only on election

00:21:34.900 day in 24, we lose. Like when 30% of Maricopa, Arizona polling locations had errors on election

00:21:41.740 day. By the way, this is tweet one. Julie, please get it out. Charlie Kirk, one of the first lessons

00:21:47.160 we have to take from the midterms is the power of early voting. Florida is able to do it efficiently

00:21:51.140 and securely. Doug Mastriano, who I believe you support. I think he's a great guy. We must adjust

00:21:56.600 our attitude toward mail-in voting. If we plan on winning statewide offices, we have no choice.

00:22:02.020 Marjorie Taylor Greene, a hero to many. In order to overcome stolen elections, Republicans must

00:22:06.560 increase voter turnout and vote by every means possible. Register more voters, harvest ballots,

00:22:11.880 mail-in early vote, encourage voters to vote. Her very good friend, Lauren Boebert. We're trying to

00:22:16.880 get those ballot harvesting campaigns in place. And here are two people I think probably carry more

00:22:22.020 weight with you than anybody. One is a good friend of mine, I believe is a good friend of yours,

00:22:25.120 probably one of the biggest experts on election integrity, former candidate for Secretary of State

00:22:30.360 in Arizona, Mark Fincham. To ensure that every qualified voter's voice is heard, we must adapt

00:22:37.160 a by all legal means strategy that includes ballot chasing and lawful ballot harvesting. And the last

00:22:43.000 one is a guy I think you know very well, Matt DiPerno. You helped him get elected chairman of

00:22:48.600 Michigan GOP. You were there, you campaigned for him. I'm going to quote you.

00:22:52.060 He didn't get elected.

00:22:53.800 He is a chairman of the-

00:22:54.860 He didn't get elected, he lost.

00:22:56.300 Chairman of the- He's the chairman of the GOP and you helped him get elected.

00:22:58.920 No, no, Christina Karamo won, not Matt DiPerno. You're-

00:23:02.140 Okay, sorry, sorry, I'm going to-

00:23:03.280 As long as we're talking about-

00:23:04.320 We have the biggest, we're going to have the biggest absentee ballot harvesting program

00:23:07.820 this state has ever seen. We're going to knock on doors, we're going to collect absentee ballots,

00:23:11.940 and we're going to put them in the bank. So what you're telling me is that all these people,

00:23:15.060 many of whom have won elections, won primaries, won general elections, been in election fields

00:23:18.460 forever, as you know, for I've been doing this for as long as you've been making pillows,

00:23:22.460 they're all wrong and you know better than them.

00:23:24.500 That's exactly right. They're all misconstrued. They're all misconstrued. They don't know what we

00:23:28.940 know. Now I'm going to give you people that do know. Jeff O'Donnell, Halderman, Doug Gould,

00:23:37.740 you name any person that's looked into Colonel Sean Smith, Colonel Phil Waldron, General McInery,

00:23:45.440 General Flynn. You look any- the people that worked in our government, that worked in with these-

00:23:50.400 when these computers came into our elections, they know that you- it's harder to cheat on same day.

00:23:55.780 And on same day, if you look at that, we have the cast vote records. These come right out of the

00:24:00.700 machines, everybody. It's like if you miss a football game- remember, if you miss a football

00:24:04.880 game and you go watch a replay and it goes in order, and it's 7-7 in the first quarter, 14-7,

00:24:10.360 and then the third quarter comes and it's back to 7-7. These are machine and computer manipulation.

00:24:17.060 We have watched in real time- if these algorithms and the cast vote records that are set,

00:24:23.260 and they're pulling names from the voter rolls. On same day voting, they have to expose themselves,

00:24:29.240 like they did in the election of 2022 when you had Oz over there against Fetterman. Every time he got

00:24:35.200 close- it's called the Edison Report. Every vote goes through Edison Research in New Jersey. They come

00:24:40.900 out of there, then they go to all the networks. We use CNN this year. We watched in real time. Every

00:24:45.880 time Oz got close, they injected votes into Fetterman. It went straight up. Everyone's seen the line.

00:24:51.180 Now, when we watched Newsom, we watched even the 2020 election, you watch on live TV, votes go

00:24:57.360 negative. They drop. Okay? That's impossible. Nobody questioned that. We did. We've looked into

00:25:03.780 all that. If you ballot harvest, you have no chain of custody. They're taking it. It's like giving them

00:25:11.480 product to work with. There was only one state- let me finish. There was one state of all the states

00:25:17.600 where the election was manipulated in the 2020 election, which was every one. In the state of

00:25:23.420 Texas, the propaganda they put out, Texas could turn blue, Texas could turn blue. All the things

00:25:29.600 Secretary of State's put in illegally because of the China virus, all of them put in, you know,

00:25:35.520 Michigan mailing out 7 million registered ballots and all this stuff that they did. They didn't ask the

00:25:40.940 legislatures that make the law. They put all this stuff into place because of a situation we were in.

00:25:46.680 In other words, they're trying to grandfather in and get these ballot harvesting. That's what they

00:25:52.340 want. When they did that in the 2020 election, all these things that were put in, one attorney

00:25:58.980 general, Ken Paxton in Texas, he fought to all 12 cases. And they said, we want early voting and

00:26:06.220 all this ballot harvesting, all these things to make it legal. And he fought and he won every single

00:26:12.800 case. And he saved the state of Florida, Texas. They found later 2 million ballots that they were

00:26:17.920 going to inject, but they didn't have enough early voting and names to pull from the dirty voter rolls.

00:26:23.780 If we do this, ballot harvesting, it'll be just like Arizona when they had Carrie Lake, put them in

00:26:28.740 the box, put them in the box. Those became a bail-in ballot harvest to vote. There are no chain of

00:26:33.680 custody, nothing. It's like you could throw them away. You can do anything. You're giving them more

00:26:38.860 product to work with. Matt, I'm going to ask you to respond to something Mike brought up earlier,

00:26:42.060 which is that France has hand count, same-day voting. France has a 48 million voting population.

00:26:52.720 It's just larger than Texas. Why isn't that something that we can do in America?

00:26:56.460 That is a separate discussion. I agree that there's a lot of things that can be done to

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00:28:32.980 that we care? Law. And Julie, throw up a tweet for please. So you can see all of the work and

00:28:40.760 the success we've had in terms of cleaning rules, but also trying to change the law in such a way

00:28:45.180 to prevent the possibility of fraud to restore trust. And also, you know, we want to get rid of

00:28:50.800 black box voting equipment. I got two accusatory threatening letters from Dominion because I'm

00:28:56.680 talking about open source voting equipment where- I didn't say it, by the way. Oh, sure. Where the code,

00:29:01.760 the software is all public. And not only- the great thing about it is not only does it restore

00:29:06.260 confidence in voting systems, but it costs half as much as Dominion and it allows a state to create

00:29:11.620 home state jobs. So we've been- we've gotten- one of our activists who's never been involved in

00:29:15.560 politics before, Denise Bolognese, walked into her state senator's office in New Jersey, told him

00:29:21.560 about it, explained the problem with black box voting and why we should have open source voting

00:29:25.240 mechanisms or open source machines to count votes that remove so many of the problems. And

00:29:30.780 she'd never done anything like this before, but she educated her state legislator. He introduced

00:29:35.020 it. The bill became- entered into the registry there. It didn't pass, but most bills don't

00:29:39.940 their first time. So it's been reintroduced this time. And there are many such cases all over the

00:29:43.620 country of people getting involved, but that is something separate. I mean, I think it's great

00:29:47.000 to have voters get involved, but I'd like to go back to why can't American states have a same-day

00:29:52.140 paper count ballot? I don't see what- look, it's up to them to pass the law to do that.

00:29:55.640 But you sound like you would prefer an early voting system. So what is the difference? Is

00:30:00.160 there a benefit? I have a preference for winning elections on the rules that are in place. To

00:30:05.540 change those rules, you have to win the elections. Look, there's probably not too many ideas that Mike

00:30:10.540 has about how he wants the elections to be changed that I disagree with. You can't do any of those

00:30:14.600 things unless you win the legislature. Okay, I'm going to disagree right there.

00:30:17.200 But I do need to respond to something he said before, because he keeps bringing up evidence and all

00:30:21.140 these things he's talking about. You know, I had a great discussion with somebody on August 20th

00:30:25.300 of 2021. And that was with the Secretary of State at Buchanan in Wyoming. This is immediately after

00:30:32.100 your symposium where all this evidence was presented. I'm going to throw this up, Julie,

00:30:36.060 this is number 10. Let's get tweet number 10 up. So here you are on stage with one of your experts

00:30:41.240 making the allegation that votes were switched in Wyoming, the presidential votes were switched.

00:30:47.020 And I got a call from Secretary of State Buchanan because one of our activists was involved there

00:30:51.680 and from one of their state senators saying, look, I'm having all these people call me saying that

00:30:55.680 the votes were switched in my state. I have no idea what they're talking about. What should I do?

00:31:00.280 And I said, look, just put out a press release, a statement inviting Mr. Lindell to present his

00:31:05.480 evidence that this had happened. I said, okay. He made that request. No evidence, none forthcoming.

00:31:11.780 Now what you did call this Air Force veteran, you did say he was a traitor to his country,

00:31:15.460 which is kind of offensive, but you never furnished any evidence.

00:31:18.520 Okay, I'm going to address this right now. I do think you have to give him a chance to respond.

00:31:20.340 Yeah, by all means. I'm going to address this. This evidence that we're talking about there

00:31:24.340 was under a government gag or by a guy named Dennis Montgomery. He worked with the CIA.

00:31:30.140 That evidence at that time, we've been fighting for a year over, what, two years now to get the

00:31:36.320 government, a judge to release that and to depose Dennis Montgomery. As of two weeks ago,

00:31:42.340 that judge in Florida granted that. So all this stuff where he's saying, oh, you can't show the

00:31:48.320 back end and the data that shows the output data, that's coming out. I want to go back to what you

00:31:56.100 were saying with, you know, when you said paper ballots, hand counting, everybody, I'm going to

00:32:02.660 tell everybody this. You know, when I went to the RNC, and by the way, they're working on a resolution

00:32:07.360 to get, here's the resolution, paper ballots, hand counted, same day voting, voter ID, and signature

00:32:13.980 verification at the precinct level. Okay, that's what I think everybody would agree on. All people

00:32:21.020 would. I've talked to Democrats and liberals, conservatives, Republicans. We need a completely

00:32:26.480 transparent election. You can have cameras and that's your audit with the voting. But I will tell

00:32:31.520 you this. Everything we have fought for, for two and a half years that we have worked for,

00:32:38.360 we have hundreds of thousands I have on the ground. We have people that have spent millions of dollars

00:32:42.940 on lawsuits. We have, at the county levels, we have people on the ground getting to paper ballots,

00:32:48.500 hand counting. We just had an election two months ago in Osage County in Missouri, paper ballots,

00:32:54.320 hand counted with our system. Linda Rant, that works for me, but Linda Rant, paper ballots were our

00:32:58.980 Democrats and Republicans did it. They got done within 10 minutes of the machines, no mistakes,

00:33:04.520 machines they had problems with. Okay, so we have proof of concept there, proof of concept.

00:33:10.020 We have over 100 counties already that are going to go machine free that we know of. That's just

00:33:15.160 ones we know of. A lot of them in California. You've got Shasta County out there that you don't

00:33:19.800 hear about this in the news. We have fought and everything we fought for is to get to that same,

00:33:24.820 that beautiful place we all want to get to. If you come out with this nonsense of ballot harvesting,

00:33:30.520 when all the things we fought against, like in Arizona, the RNC fought to make sure ballot

00:33:36.520 harvesting was still illegal. And what I'm saying is, let us play this out. And you can sit and tell

00:33:43.000 all this stuff later on, the election is a year and a half away. And I've said this, if you're going

00:33:48.320 to sit in with misconstrued information of ballot harvesting, and you don't know what we know about

00:33:53.440 all this machine computer problems, at least pause, because I will tell you this, and it's a good

00:33:58.420 time to say this. On August 16th and 17th, I have an event. It's the summit that we're having in

00:34:05.860 Missouri. It's going to be live streamed to the world in over 50 languages. And the first day,

00:34:11.360 we're going through all 50 states. And all 50 states are going to give you hope that you don't

00:34:16.320 see on Fox News and that. You're going to hear what the progress has been in every state. Maybe a lot of

00:34:22.040 the stuff that Matt's been doing and everybody's been doing. Where are we to get to that perfect

00:34:27.000 place of same-day boning paper ballots and counting in this spot? And they all go up the first day,

00:34:32.460 because it's going to give you hope. A lot of these people feel hopeless. Then the next day,

00:34:37.200 we're announcing, now you've got to really listen on this, everybody. The next day,

00:34:40.480 we're announcing the plan that's been worked on for over a year. Nine people know this plan. It's never

00:34:46.460 been talked about ever, never been done in world history. And it's legal, and everyone's going to

00:34:52.900 embrace it, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican. It's going to secure our elections

00:34:57.280 overnight. So if we're having this conversation, I will tell this, everybody, at least this nonsense

00:35:04.160 of ballot harvesting and no chain of custody, and we'll do what the Democrats do. This is disgusting

00:35:09.360 based on the footprint we're in.

00:35:10.800 I want to ask you to comment on Matt's, I mean, I think this is interesting. I'm glad that you're

00:35:15.140 able to give our viewers a little bit of information about what you have going on.

00:35:19.040 I would ask you to respond to Matt's argument that we have to work within the system that we

00:35:23.900 already have, that if we would love to turn to a hand count one day, you know, that's something

00:35:28.840 And that's exactly what we're doing. And that's what we're announcing on August 17th. You can all go

00:35:34.220 there right now, lindalevent.com. Get signed up for this event. You'll get a free online gift.

00:35:39.700 It's going to be free live stream. We are using what's in place right now. That's what we're

00:35:44.360 announcing on August 17th. We're not going to, you know, it's not this perfect world here. So you

00:35:49.260 got to do what you got to do. But we do know the one thing you can't do is ballot harvest. I don't

00:35:54.240 care when it is that you cannot do. Let me say ballot registering, going out there and getting

00:35:59.460 Republicans to get registered, a beautiful thing they've done in the past. All of a sudden,

00:36:03.920 this narrative shift, you're giving them exactly what they want. That's how they're cheating.

00:36:09.040 That's how the fraud is going on is all these early ballots and all this early thing that was

00:36:13.860 put into place. You got to realize most of this stuff was put into place because of the 2020 election,

00:36:19.220 because of the China virus. If why would we, why would we not go to court and everything and turn

00:36:24.440 this, turn the clock back to get rid of the, this early voting and all this stuff. It wasn't there

00:36:29.600 before my state of Minnesota was one of the few 45 days early. That's why the corruption has been

00:36:34.940 on court. Can you give us a little bit of history on early voting? When did it become so prominent

00:36:38.540 in the U S? Well, it's been around in different capacities in different states, different reasons

00:36:43.420 why it was permitted. Um, and you know, you know, every state has its own narrative on how it came

00:36:48.900 to be and how it came to, in some ways accelerate. And, you know, historically, uh, it was the Republicans

00:36:54.160 who dominated early voting. We were all on top of it. And that's part of the reason that the

00:36:59.040 Washington post criticized mail-in voting back in 2012 is because it was primarily Republican

00:37:03.940 thing. Cause we were very smart about making sure people registered to turn those ballots in

00:37:08.160 and get them voted early again. Because once we know somebody has voted, we don't have to spend

00:37:13.200 any more money on them and we can spend more money on the hard cases, which makes campaigns much more

00:37:18.100 economically efficient because campaigns, it's really tough because we're always, we're always

00:37:21.800 down on dollars. So in your experience, when did Republicans turn away from controlling?

00:37:25.780 Probably around, probably around 2000, when we started hearing certain voices saying,

00:37:29.880 don't vote by mail, don't vote early. And that has, as I've shown you, has not been good for us.

00:37:35.580 And he keeps making these claims, but as I gave in the case of Wyoming, there's a gag order or

00:37:41.080 something. He has presented zero evidence. No, no, no, no. We have cast vote records now.

00:37:46.220 I know what a cast vote record is. I use, that's exactly how we determined who's already voting,

00:37:50.480 who hasn't. We have all the status available to us. We have no evidence of anything happening

00:37:55.080 illegally. Look, I am a big threat to Dominion because I'm a big threat. The allegations of

00:38:01.180 machine voting are, you presented no evidence. Like I said, you called this guy, Ed Buchanan,

00:38:06.580 the Secretary of State of Wyoming, a military veteran, a traitor to his country, but you could

00:38:10.400 not furnish any evidence because of some gag order. Everything on there, everything that happened.

00:38:16.700 Who are your experts? How do you screen your experts? How well do you know them? Because

00:38:20.500 they're presenting. Well, right now, since that time, let's see, Alex Haldeman, the Haldeman

00:38:25.300 report came out. What did he say? We shouldn't use these machines. Democrats, there's in the movie

00:38:30.840 Kill Chain, my own Senator, Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, hundreds of Democrats, there's a montage of

00:38:38.400 them saying, we got to get rid of these machines. We can't use computers. Our biggest blockers, I want

00:38:44.260 everybody to know this, our biggest blockers as we go into these red states are the Republicans.

00:38:49.360 They block us for everything we try and do to get rid of the machine, paper ballots, hand counting.

00:38:55.140 It's the Republicans that are blocking us. Right. What's the motivation? I don't know. It's the

00:38:58.560 uniparty. It's got to be a uniparty. Let me finish. These states, all I want to do, if you remove these

00:39:04.280 states, these Republican blockers like Oklahoma, Arkansas. I'll give an example. In Arkansas,

00:39:10.860 Cleburne County, Arkansas, these citizens, they know there was fraud, not just based on mine. They

00:39:16.440 based it on the cast vote records. They based it on registered voters. I got every voter rolls from

00:39:22.160 the United States for both elections, paid for a lot of them. In Alabama, they charged me $40,000.

00:39:27.960 I have it all. Here's who voted. Here's who registered. Here's who voted. Here's who they took

00:39:32.080 off. Cleburne County went machine free. They said, we're going paper ballots, hand counting. Within a

00:39:36.720 couple weeks, the state senator there, he put in a bill. These are all Republicans. If you go to

00:39:43.060 paper, because other ones were all going to follow suit. If you go to paper, we're going to defund your

00:39:46.920 county. This is what we fight. We fight our own party, if you call it being that party. I'm in this

00:39:52.740 new party of common sense. Sorry, but that's irrelevant to what we're talking about, whether they use

00:39:57.100 machines or beads or pebbles. You just said there was no evidence of anything being done.

00:40:02.800 machines. You're trying to vote. That's true. I really want to hear Matt's explanation of why

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00:41:38.000 Ballot rules would need to be cleaned up because I think it is an interesting

00:41:40.580 bureaucratic question, right?

00:41:43.100 But it's, again, important to recognize that, look, nobody's done more to clean ballot rolls

00:41:48.240 than look ahead America.

00:41:49.980 How's that worked out for you? I'll name every state. Wisconsin's got three million more names

00:41:57.100 on their voter rolls. New York, four million. Florida, five million. Which one states have you

00:42:02.560 cleaned up?

00:42:02.780 He had two cups of coffee before this, so please excuse him. So we've cleaned up. We've got open

00:42:07.420 cases in 150 different counties around the country. Actually, 138 open cases. We've gotten

00:42:13.240 double voter convictions. We've gotten many people removed from the rolls. Again,

00:42:18.760 a large part, thanks to several thousand.

00:42:21.260 Really? Out of millions?

00:42:22.820 Out of millions, you're doing real good.

00:42:24.480 We don't have time. We've got to do this now. We've got to do something now.

00:42:27.820 It's funny that you talk about your experts, but you don't realize that you're actually talking

00:42:31.260 to one of your own experts.

00:42:33.580 Well, obviously, you're not an expert. You haven't seen what I've seen.

00:42:36.040 I'm not an expert. Okay, Julie, drop number nine, please. In your documentary, Absolute

00:42:41.180 Proof, you cited some very interesting numbers. I'm going to put them up here.

00:42:44.660 If you're trying to discredit the evidence from two and a half years ago.

00:42:47.900 Hold on, Mike. Let me finish. Mike, you're going to let me finish. You're going to let

00:42:51.500 me finish.

00:42:52.660 Are you trying to protect the machines?

00:42:54.620 No, these numbers.

00:42:55.600 You yourself has fought dominion.

00:42:57.280 Is this how you try to run a debate?

00:42:58.520 I think you have to give Matt a chance to make a point, and then you can dispute it.

00:43:01.140 All right, Mike, these are the numbers that you presented in your Absolute Proof

00:43:04.400 documentary. They're specific to Georgia. Now, what's very funny about these numbers is you

00:43:08.240 presented them in February. I actually-

00:43:10.800 February of what year?

00:43:12.240 21.

00:43:13.040 Okay.

00:43:14.060 So these numbers actually came from me. They're the only person they could have come from.

00:43:17.820 I created these numbers as part of the voter integrity.

00:43:20.860 There's only one source they could have come from because they were in my testimony in December

00:43:24.980 to the Georgia State Legislature and in the video I released showing my evidence of election

00:43:29.500 problems. Sorry, YouTube.

00:43:30.420 All the way back in November. So these are very unique and specific numbers,

00:43:35.260 and they weren't used correctly. And that's fine. Nobody from your team ever reached out to me.

00:43:39.420 I understand. But the thing is, I actually ran into you at CPAC, and I walked up to you and I said

00:43:45.560 very politely, hey, Mike, I saw in your documentary you used some numbers that came from my voter

00:43:49.760 integrity project. You didn't use them quite correctly. I'd like to help you with that.

00:43:53.820 I would like to also share with you additional information that we've come up you might find

00:43:57.600 useful. Your response was to not say a word, to shrug your shoulders, make a 180, and walk away

00:44:03.360 from me. So how am I supposed to take seriously your care for the data and all the evidence you have

00:44:08.060 when somebody who's the source of this information gets treated that way?

00:44:11.220 Well, you told me I got it from you, so I figured you were already a liar. That's what I feared,

00:44:14.860 because I didn't get it from you.

00:44:15.460 But how am I a liar?

00:44:16.440 But no, you said you gave it to me.

00:44:18.160 Where else could these numbers have come from?

00:44:19.300 I got them from someone, and it was a source that didn't come from you.

00:44:22.080 Who?

00:44:22.520 Tell us.

00:44:23.200 No, I got it from a lawyer back then.

00:44:25.520 I didn't just pull it out of your thin air.

00:44:27.400 Well, somebody got these numbers from me.

00:44:29.160 I'm going to ask something. Why did you go to Louisiana and try and get rid of Dominion

00:44:34.460 voting machines? Why do you have a lawsuit in Ohio to get rid of machines?

00:44:37.920 I'm happy to talk about that.

00:44:39.020 No, no. Why do you have that? Did they send you threatening-

00:44:41.080 Okay, why don't you tell us what they-

00:44:42.180 Yeah, why? Is there a problem with computers? What's the problem?

00:44:45.560 Well, we have to let them respond.

00:44:46.700 Well, I've already articulated that. Let me get the tweet on our anti-Dominion work.

00:44:51.360 That's tweet number six, Julie.

00:44:53.560 Do you believe all machines are created equal, so you don't just pick on them?

00:44:56.700 I believe that there are problems with machines, but they're not quite the same problems that you

00:45:02.120 allege. However, that is entirely separate from our need to do early and absentee voting.

00:45:07.700 I have actually, you know, you've been sued by Dominion.

00:45:10.420 I asked them to sue me. That's correct.

00:45:11.740 And you tried to sue them, and they got thrown out of court because it had lack of evidence,

00:45:15.100 surprisingly. But I have sued the county of Stark County, Ohio, and Dominion. That's still an appeal.

00:45:20.920 We've blocked Dominion's equipment in Louisiana.

00:45:24.740 Why?

00:45:25.060 Hold on, let me finish. And we've actually, even in California, worked to try to get more

00:45:29.280 open-source voting equipment there, which is an anathema to Dominion. The problem with Dominion's

00:45:33.320 equipment are three things. Number one is it lacks transparency, which I think is important.

00:45:37.740 We did a comprehensive study of what happened in Antrim. There was a very big problem with how the

00:45:43.040 votes were voted.

00:45:43.200 You worked for ES&S.

00:45:44.120 Hold on, I want to hear the end of his election.

00:45:45.520 Well, I know, but I was pretty kind of meaning.

00:45:47.020 You have a chance to respond.

00:45:48.800 Am I or have I ever been a communist? Thank you. But we documented these problems in Antrim,

00:45:54.420 and they were happening primarily because the contractor was not living up to their requirements,

00:45:58.760 and because the code that runs Dominion's equipment is probably pretty lousy. It probably

00:46:03.420 is open to-

00:46:04.200 Probably.

00:46:04.440 Well, we don't know because we can't see it. It's probably susceptible to all kinds

00:46:09.420 of problems, as well as the fact that it is twice the cost of what open-source equipment

00:46:14.680 should be, and it robs a state who uses it or county of it from having home state jobs.

00:46:19.460 Because when you buy Dominion equipment, you're locked in to a long-term contract with a monopoly

00:46:23.680 because no one else, you know, the state can't even open it up with a screwdriver, right?

00:46:28.360 So we want to fix that by requiring open-source voting equipment. It used to be a bipartisan

00:46:32.480 issue we hope it can be again. So those are my reasons for going after Dominion, and because

00:46:37.340 they, you know, they're coming after me because why? I haven't made a single allegation that

00:46:41.240 there were vote switches or there were swaps that the machines are hacked. What I said is

00:46:45.220 that open-source is a better alternative. That's why they're coming after me. That's

00:46:48.180 because it's a real threat. He has no evidence that he's been able to present that there's

00:46:51.740 been mass machine manipulation, just like Wyoming. Oh, there's a gag order. That's his

00:46:54.980 excuse.

00:46:55.300 Mike, do you want to respond to that?

00:46:56.300 Yeah, that's not true.

00:46:57.220 Right now, I'm not, if you take away what we couldn't show because of that government

00:47:03.000 gag order, which we showed on national TV, here it is. We're waiting for the judge. Just

00:47:06.980 released it two weeks ago, said it's okay. But in the meantime, in the last two years,

00:47:11.740 we didn't stop there. We went to the cast vote records. We went and we got all the voter rolls.

00:47:16.820 I paid for voter rolls. Like I said, Alabama, 40 grand. Every state, all 50 states. Then we had

00:47:23.000 people on the ground, hundreds of thousands of people. We took names from these voter

00:47:28.820 rolls. So like in my county, okay, six people living in a household that all voted. So we

00:47:34.740 went down, we looked at the six and I live in my county. I'm going, wait a minute, there's

00:47:38.420 not eight people that live there. Only Amy lives there. And so then we had people, it's

00:47:42.400 called canvassing. We went door to door to check that out. No, they don't live in this

00:47:46.760 county or they don't, they didn't vote here. Then we backtracked with that and said, they

00:47:51.780 they don't live here. They're deceased. I was down in Alabama to the secretary of state,

00:47:56.380 John Merrill. When I first went in there with him, with his own voter rolls in Alabama. And I said,

00:48:01.960 John, you have 4,800 people on your voter rolls that are 110 years or older, where their names

00:48:08.740 voted in this election. And you know what he said, Mike, we live pretty good here in Alabama, don't

00:48:13.400 we? And I'll tell you, when you talk about dominion, he's saying about dominion, you can replace

00:48:18.400 it with another machine. Well, ES&S, the biggest, the biggest machine company in this country out

00:48:23.260 of Omaha, Nebraska, I was at a Senate hearing in the state of Louisiana. All the machine companies

00:48:28.620 were there trying to say which one's better, which one can do, because they're the longest

00:48:32.020 running dominion employed. Louisiana is in the country. They've been with them the longest

00:48:37.260 and they had problems. The secretary of state tried to get the code. You know, there's problems

00:48:41.940 because it was announced in the curling Rasenberger case with the Alex Haldeman report that finally

00:48:46.880 came out this summer, an expert that's not a, he's not on the right. I mean, he's, and he said,

00:48:52.120 these machines, we got to get rid of them. You know, there's problems, but ES&S was put on the

00:48:57.020 stand, one of their owners. And we got it on tape. They asked him, that secretary of state said,

00:49:01.960 are your machines vulnerable or, you know, like dominions or like, you know, are they better?

00:49:06.940 He said, quote, every single voting machine is vulnerable. They have back doors that are

00:49:14.080 vulnerable. He said, just like your devices, just like this. Hello, Tim Cook. Can you hear us out

00:49:19.080 there? This is like your devices. Every one of them can not only be hacked. We, right now in the

00:49:24.780 state we're in, in our country, you know, we're at the apex in history and we're coming into a time

00:49:31.060 where you, you press of a button, you can hack in. I get, you know, businesses get hacked all the

00:49:36.620 time. You had solar winds, you had credit card companies get hacked. And, but when you hack and

00:49:42.220 it's just money, then it's just money. You can, you know, you covered insurance, maybe otherwise you

00:49:46.500 just lose, you know, money. But when it happens in our elections, you lose your country. This is the,

00:49:52.460 this is what I've been fighting for. We have to get to a place, paper, balance, hand,

00:49:56.600 count. But this is entirely separate. You can sit here and say all this evidence you want. This

00:49:59.660 evidence comes from the, the, the, um, right out of the machines. We can't see in them, but one we

00:50:05.660 can get is we can get the voter rolls, which I got everyone that voted, and you can get these cast

00:50:11.200 vote records. Studies by Jeff O'Donnell, um, Walter Doherty, all these experts that I did not know

00:50:17.400 before. Um, these colonel, these kernels, there's at least five of them that have been worked inside the

00:50:22.680 government to protect us, cyber experts, white hat hackers. And they look into all this. It's all

00:50:28.160 the same. It doesn't matter what brand of machine. And I will say this in, um, you got like in

00:50:33.880 Colorado, this gets pushed under the radar in Colorado. They, um, they, you know, they deleted

00:50:39.620 everything, called it the trusted build back then. And they were supposed to hold that for 22 months,

00:50:45.120 hold all these foyer equipment that we could ask for what's inside these machines. The bottom line is

00:50:49.560 this. We got the voter rolls got out. Dr. Doug Frank, his work, they've never discredited him.

00:50:54.480 You know why? Because he takes it right from the, he doesn't present any evidence either.

00:50:59.420 And in Mesa County, Colorado, we've actually got the image right up there. We say we haven't been

00:51:04.100 able to see inside these machines. What are they hiding? I said before, when Matt and I were

00:51:08.040 downstairs, I said, if people said my pillow had rocks and knives in them, I said, you think I would

00:51:13.100 sue everybody? No, I would open them up and say, look at the beautiful patent and fill. I would look at the

00:51:17.920 beautiful patent and fill. And that would be it. What are they hiding? Why do they do these black

00:51:22.620 boxes? What are they doing? And you can sit here and say nothing happened in them. No, what I'm

00:51:27.060 saying is that you have not. Doing a different kind of machine. Rubbish. Rubbish. This is, again,

00:51:32.380 we're kind of like, this is a, I guess the machine debate or something, I guess, but this is really

00:51:36.300 about early voting and absentee voting and ballot harvesting and ballot chasing. And I'm telling you.

00:51:40.980 Here's the problem, Mike, is that you keep making all these allegations. Look, when LookAhead makes

00:51:46.540 allegations of illegal ballots being cast, or we find something that's been amiss, we bring our

00:51:53.780 data to the FBI. We brought our data. They actually requested it from us. We brought our data to the

00:51:58.220 Secretary of State's Office, Attorney Generals. Even when we have like one of them blocks us, well,

00:52:03.640 now we go to the county level. And that's how we were able to obtain convictions. Or we get people

00:52:07.860 removed from the rolls. We have to go wherever we can, but we don't hide our evidence. We have

00:52:11.880 evidence that the number of illegal ballots would surpass, surpass, surpass, you know what? I've

00:52:15.720 put out every single piece of evidence I could. Here, I'd like to just, and I'll, but we put it

00:52:21.960 forward and we don't claim there's some gag order preventing us from sharing it. Okay, right now you

00:52:26.060 can go to Frank. No, I resent that. You're talking back then. No, but I'm going to finish this. Look, Mike.

00:52:30.620 I have 90% more evidence than that. No, you listen to the challenge. I think you have to give Matt

00:52:34.960 a chance to respond. Look, Mike. He's trying to discredit some evidence that hasn't been shown

00:52:39.600 yet. Well, if it hasn't been shown yet, there's no reason for anybody to believe it. Okay, why

00:52:42.880 don't you, have you been to my website, Matt? Did you do due diligence? I did due diligence on you.

00:52:47.120 I'll share with you, Mike. Go to frankspeech.com right now, everybody. Go to the square. It says

00:52:51.420 inside the machine. We put out the images from inside the machine from Mesa County, Colorado. It's

00:52:57.760 undeniable. Everyone's looked at it and said, this is a machine computer manipulation. You can all look

00:53:03.460 there now. It's just that you can't get the word out because of Fox. So, Mike, Mike, no,

00:53:07.660 but I want to address that. Hold on one second. I just want to ask for, you know, you've been in

00:53:11.220 elections for over a decade. Over a decade. Try three. Try three decades? Yes. See, you look so

00:53:16.040 young to me. I can't even tell. I am young. I got started young. Oh, my goodness. What, in middle

00:53:19.640 school? The question for me is I feel like I've heard a lot about voting machines in the last few

00:53:27.180 years. When did we start to question voting machines? When did you personally start to

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00:55:01.680 look into. Well, I think that the thing is that a lot of people raise issues with machines. I think

00:55:07.560 the lack of transparency is important. And I've said this from the very beginning too, is that

00:55:11.880 the evidence or the problems with elections being secure is as dangerous as the perception that they

00:55:18.660 aren't secure. So that's why we've advocated for open source voting equipment. You know,

00:55:23.440 HandCount is technically open source. I'm not opposed to that. I'd support it in a heartbeat

00:55:27.080 over a closed source, you know, ES&S or Dominion solution. So, and you know, again, if you just go back

00:55:33.100 to HBO's documentary Killswitch, it was the Democrats who were raising issues with

00:55:37.420 black box voting equipment. In fact, there was legislation introduced to require all equipment

00:55:42.440 to be open source, which kind of kills Dominion and ES&S because they can't make money off their

00:55:46.340 software because it's proprietary, they're done. So it was actually introduced federal legislation

00:55:52.220 in the U.S. Congress by a Democrat from New Jersey. And guess what his background was? He was a

00:55:57.460 scientist. So he recognized the importance of having open source equipment, but that's very different

00:56:02.620 from making allegations that votings and elections are being mass manipulated. So, I mean, even in

00:56:07.880 Mike's case, he made a challenge for, to pay $5 million to anybody that could refute his data.

00:56:13.680 Well, a friend of mine now, Bob Ziedman actually did refute it.

00:56:16.600 Okay, now I see the connection.

00:56:18.900 Well, I met him this week because I thought I should reach, because I did my homework.

00:56:21.600 He's a friend of yours? You met him this week?

00:56:23.060 Yeah, I did my homework.

00:56:23.640 He's a friend of yours. You guys locked, locked hip, locked at the hip now, huh?

00:56:26.800 He presented...

00:56:27.560 By the way, this $5 million thing is still in court.

00:56:29.720 It is, because the court ruled that Bob Ziedman performed under contract. He proved the data

00:56:34.680 Lindell LLC provided and represented reflected information for the 2020 election, unequivocally

00:56:39.440 did not reflect the November 2020 election data. Failure to pay him the $5 million was a breach

00:56:45.040 of the contract. So you've also got to, you know, you had the chance in the court to make

00:56:48.940 the case that you had evidence.

00:56:50.200 Not true. Not true.

00:56:51.620 But again, it's...

00:56:52.660 Ziedman lost in an arbitration right after the symposium. He couldn't even open Wireshark,

00:56:58.180 I guess, in the cyber room. So he's not a cyber guy. And I don't know how he snuck through.

00:57:03.060 I don't think you're a cyber guy either, right?

00:57:03.540 But he lost in arbitration. Or he lost to the judges. Then he went to arbitration. And what

00:57:08.880 happened there will come out in court. Very corrupt. Very... I don't even know what to

00:57:13.240 call it.

00:57:13.820 That's 2-11.

00:57:14.060 And we had 30 days to take it to court or not. Of course I'm taking it to court. To a real

00:57:18.780 court. So that's in court. And I took him to court. The media wouldn't say anything

00:57:24.500 about it. The very next day, he quick takes it to court and says, Mark Lindell will take

00:57:28.840 him to court because he won't pay up. That's a lie. I mean, it's got to go through the courts.

00:57:32.840 I want to say something. When you talk about machines, this goes back to the early 2000s.

00:57:38.480 There's a guy named Clint Curtis, everybody. You can look him up. He's a Democrat. He voted

00:57:42.960 for Biden. I met him about a year ago. It's very famous in 2004 and 2003 when he came out

00:57:50.800 with the first algorithms to switch the machines. He showed it on national TV to hack the machines

00:57:56.440 and flip it. Now, he's seen the Republicans. He felt the Republicans were using his algorithm

00:58:02.980 to cheat. So what he did, he made it national. Yes, I set this up. I set this up. The Netherlands

00:58:09.260 called him up. The country of the Netherlands and said, how do we put a secure on these machines now

00:58:16.140 that you've done this? And he said, you can't. You need to get rid of them. The Netherlands got

00:58:20.700 rid of the machines in five months, everybody. They have an election as secure as France. And I will

00:58:26.460 tell you, at least 50-some countries have succumbed to the machines. The last one being Brazil,

00:58:33.740 my good friend Eduardo Bolsonaro. They had no paper ballots. It's just a machine. They could just

00:58:38.740 have them hollow with two little lights on them. Ding, ding, ding. And the winner is Lula, fresh

00:58:44.000 out of prison, which crimes against his country. They pulled the cartels, pulled them out of prison

00:58:49.480 eight years early and said, you win, you win. And this is where we're at. This is about, I'm going

00:58:54.780 to say, let me do this one narrative. I want to tell you where we're at is because this argument is

00:59:00.580 just, we both want the same thing. Paper ballots, hand counted, no machines, blah, blah, blah. I'm going

00:59:04.940 to tell you what we've been up against for two and a half years. You can sit here and try and

00:59:08.600 discredit the first evidence that I got all you want. Now judges ruled that can come out. We've

00:59:13.820 had since then, this has all been on God's timing, everybody. Everything had to happen. If Donald

00:59:18.900 Trump, if they would have flipped the election to him back in December 14th of 2020, we would have

00:59:23.300 lost our country forever. All these things had to be revealed so we can fix our election platforms,

00:59:28.920 everything. And this isn't a Democrat or Republican thing. And I will say this, I compare it to

00:59:33.820 Al Capone, and you'll appreciate this, Matt. Al Capone, back in Chicago in the gangster days,

00:59:40.060 he owned everything. He had everything. And they had plenty of evidence, but they couldn't get him

00:59:44.400 on murder, racketeering, bootlegging, gambling, all these things. Why? Because he had the judges in

00:59:49.820 his pocket or afraid. He had the police in his pocket or afraid. He had the politicians in his pocket or

00:59:55.380 afraid. And he had the media. And he had the media. By the way, he loved early voting too,

00:59:59.560 so he could see what he did. He had to manipulate. Now, what did they do?

01:00:02.820 What did they do to Al Capone? Think of it, everybody. What did they do?

01:00:05.920 I want to have Matt respond to you. He had a really strong reaction to your comments about

01:00:15.200 the algorithm. I have to finish this analogy. This is what I came here for, everybody.

01:00:19.920 Can we have some evidence, please? Just some evidence.

01:00:22.940 This one statement, please. So for Al Capone, all the evidence they had, everything,

01:00:28.440 they couldn't get out. So you know what they did? They went at him at a different angle,

01:00:32.260 which was tax evasion. They go, let's get him on that. They came at a total difference because they

01:00:36.500 weren't moving forward on anything else. Now, that's the situation we've been in for two and a

01:00:41.840 half years. You can suppress evidence. No judge has ever looked at the evidence based on merit in

01:00:47.080 this country. All these things, they have politicians. We fight Republicans. Now, what we have,

01:00:53.460 we've, over the last year, we've come up with a plan that is coming at it from a different angle.

01:00:58.700 On August 16th and 17th, you go to lindalevent.com. You will get there. And I'm telling you,

01:01:05.040 this plan has never been talked about before, never been done in world history.

01:01:07.780 Why don't you just tell it now?

01:01:08.840 And Matt, I hope you come to the event because you'll be the first one. Everyone will embrace

01:01:12.840 this. Everybody will embrace it. The footprint we're in, it solves everything immediately.

01:01:19.240 Immediately.

01:01:20.160 Yeah. Do you want to respond to the comments about the algorithm? I saw you had a pretty visible

01:01:23.140 response. Well, yeah. I mean, like I said, you know, you go around the country accusing

01:01:27.580 military veterans of being traitors to the country and then present no evidence and then just excuse

01:01:32.060 it by some gag order. Like I said, LAA, we are eager to present evidence to anybody that looks at it.

01:01:37.640 I think we've been very successful in doing that. But I want to actually want to talk about

01:01:40.920 some good news.

01:01:41.480 You don't need to have that little thing up there.

01:01:43.920 Oh, we do. It's a record. Sorry, Mike.

01:01:46.100 Okay.

01:01:46.320 This is fake news.

01:01:47.260 It's a court ruling.

01:01:47.840 Are you part of it? Now, you said you're friends with Zeidman.

01:01:50.040 I have a great story to share.

01:01:52.320 Now I feel your true colors.

01:01:55.080 I think we both done that today. I have a good story to share. So in Georgia, there is an aggressive

01:02:01.040 early turnout program in the urban progressive counties called Souls to the Pulse, where they

01:02:06.320 get everybody at church to go vote together in places like Atlanta, Fulton County, Gwinnett.

01:02:12.020 Look Ahead America has been leading the way to allow Sunday voting in the rural counties throughout

01:02:17.640 Georgia, where it's not been allowed before, but now it's possible because of a state law.

01:02:21.440 Julie, throw up number seven, please. We have, with almost no budget, have managed to get

01:02:27.880 10 rural counties to allow voting on Sundays and work with their local churches and pastors

01:02:33.540 and religious leaders to encourage their people to turn out. Now, this is what I think I'm

01:02:38.260 most proud of, of all my work in the 2022 election. This is a picture taken outside Cherokee

01:02:44.420 County. This is the election office in Cherokee County. They've never before allowed Sunday voting.

01:02:48.880 This was taken on a Sunday, and you can't really see it from this photo, but the line is going out

01:02:53.280 the block of all these people voting early, especially those who are low propensity who might

01:02:57.840 not have otherwise been able to on Tuesday or couldn't do the absentee thing. So I'm very glad

01:03:02.320 that we're getting this program off the ground. Again, it's still unfunded. We're hopefully going

01:03:05.460 to find somebody to help us fund it to flip the other. It's actually like 170 counties in the

01:03:08.940 state of Georgia. It's crazy. But we've got at least another 100 counties to flop. But this is what

01:03:14.020 we're trying to do in action. This is what all those MAGA people I quoted before from President

01:03:18.340 Trump to Carrie Lake to Doug Mostrano to Mark Finstrom, this is the dream of getting our people

01:03:24.400 to turn out, to stop having this happen where we're losing elections because there's important

01:03:29.860 absent Republicans not getting there. There's all this discussion about machines, all this

01:03:35.000 allegations about things happening. And look, there's many ways to improve the election.

01:03:38.700 And look, it's fighting every day to do that. But that is separate from making sure that our

01:03:43.820 people show up, vote early, vote absentee, vote in person, but absolutely must turn out to vote.

01:03:49.540 And that's what this discussion debate is about. And I have not heard any evidence.

01:03:52.780 No, you've got ballot harvesting.

01:03:54.560 We'll get Republicans.

01:03:55.280 Legal ballot harvesting. Look, you're more of an expert than Mark Finstrom.

01:03:58.440 Absolutely.

01:03:59.160 Okay. You've been at this two and a half years.

01:04:00.800 I know Mark. Mark knows a piece. I deal with Mark.

01:04:03.360 All right.

01:04:03.680 Mark knows a piece, but he doesn't know the plan.

01:04:05.960 You know the plan.

01:04:06.600 People know the plan. We're announcing August 17th. And then you can apologize.

01:04:10.180 Why don't you share it?

01:04:10.740 What gets Republicans to the polls, in your opinion? What makes them vote available?

01:04:13.800 What gets them to the polls? What gets them to the polls is the last two years or four years

01:04:19.040 or whatever that we've went through, everything that's happening in our country. You have this

01:04:23.160 bucket. What's happened over the last two years, the 2020 election will go down as the most

01:04:27.720 important election in history. Why? Because it's opened people's eyes. People have been educated

01:04:33.120 on how important that our elections are, if they're really elections. And everyone out

01:04:40.680 there, they're worried. They've seen what politicians could do. You get to December of 2019, everybody's

01:04:46.980 lives had physically improved. You know, they went up somewhat because of decisions made by

01:04:52.560 an administration. Now they're seeing an example of what can be happened by poor decisions.

01:04:59.020 People that doesn't help anybody, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, when politicians are

01:05:03.600 making decisions that don't help any of the people, then you're looking at and you're going,

01:05:10.580 that's what's driving Republicans. And not only that, Democrats voting Republican. I mean,

01:05:15.280 this is where we're at. You can't, they don't cheat by, it's fraud. This is a uniparty thing.

01:05:22.460 Will we ever get some evidence of this fraud, Mike? Will we ever get it from you?

01:05:25.400 Okay. We, yes. Okay. Now right there, go to frankspeech.com, everybody. Go down to inside

01:05:31.480 the machines. The evidence is right there, Matt. You didn't do your due diligence. You didn't do

01:05:35.960 your due diligence. I did my due diligence on you. You've, you've sued, you went after Dominion,

01:05:40.760 Louisiana, and Ohio. You sit there and say, oh, we got a ballot harvest. You came out,

01:05:44.720 you got your real foundation that you're out there thinking you're doing so much. I have probably over

01:05:48.880 a million people on the ground in all 50 states. They have quit their jobs. These are mothers,

01:05:53.460 teachers, um, firemen, whatever. And they were out there doing it for, for just volunteering,

01:06:00.100 canvassing, going, canvassing every single state, counties, canvass. And what about your

01:06:05.200 county? Your county, I'll bet you there's 4,000 people that voted in your county that don't live

01:06:09.440 there. You don't care about that. That's the evidence we have. Like there's, I've made a very,

01:06:14.020 we have documented. We got what you can get, which was the cast vote records and the voter

01:06:17.200 registration. Um, you know, I'll give an example in, in Missouri, 2004. Yeah. I just told you about

01:06:22.900 Alabama. How do you explain 4,800 people? They pulled their names from the dirty voter rolls.

01:06:28.400 We've documented this and we've done everything we can do, but that's separate from the need

01:06:32.860 for us to get our people to the polls. No, you need to get out and register.

01:06:36.140 So what gets them to the polls? We did vote. We've registered over 25,000 people in Arizona.

01:06:39.760 Great job. You can go out and get them to register, but you tell them to vote the same day.

01:06:44.020 No, we, we get them to vote any way we possibly can.

01:06:47.040 Well, you can, like I say, when he announced the plan, you can apologize.

01:06:50.820 Somehow these votes are being manipulated or they're more likely to be manipulated.

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01:08:22.600 Think about this a second. Okay. The forces that be, the evil powers that are systematic. Look,

01:08:27.420 we've documented people keep casting legal votes. We know what happens. We know the people who've

01:08:31.400 done it. It's primarily people individually deciding to cast a vote they shouldn't because

01:08:36.440 they don't have residency in the state anymore or some other issue like that. But we have no evidence

01:08:41.880 of there being something systematic because look, think about it this way.

01:08:44.720 We have all the evidence in the world. Like I sat here and listened to your stupid stories about

01:08:48.120 Al Capone. You're going to listen to me talk about facts. If you have the ability to somehow

01:08:52.980 manipulate the early votes and yet you can't manipulate the same day votes in the days it

01:08:58.740 takes to cast those ballots. I didn't say that. It's harder. For this to actually be happening,

01:09:04.640 if you believe that, then you also probably have to believe that voting doesn't matter at all.

01:09:08.620 Elections don't matter because they're just going to steal them, even though we have no evidence of

01:09:11.980 that. And much evidence to the contrary. Again, you talk about Arizona. Yeah, they got,

01:09:16.480 they defeated all these guys through manipulation, but oh, we're going to, we're going to keep a

01:09:19.720 Republican treasurer. Yeah. And let them win by 200,000 votes.

01:09:22.820 I want to ask you guys both the same. Hold on, one second, one second. Before we went to that,

01:09:27.280 I want to ask you both the same question. We've heard a lot about the evidence. I'm really interested

01:09:31.820 in 2024. I'm interested in moving forward as a country. I want to see how we make elections

01:09:36.480 stronger. We've both touched on, we've touched on the fact that there is an ideal way to vote.

01:09:40.200 And then there are the laws in the books. I would love to hear from both of you using

01:09:43.140 Pennsylvania as a battleground state example. What are three things each of you would like to

01:09:47.720 see happen from now through November, 24, 2024 to secure the elections? I'm, I know we have a

01:09:54.520 little bit of contentious energy in the room. You could just each give each other a chance to

01:09:57.620 respond. Matt, do you want to go first? Look, I actually, um, let's why go next year in

01:10:00.600 Pennsylvania. We've got elections this year in Virginia. They're very important and they're

01:10:03.700 kind of important to me. I'm just asking for hypothetical. I know I got, I got to you. Look, um,

01:10:07.840 we launched our organization in 2017 and we did our first election monitoring operation in Virginia

01:10:13.920 in the 2017 election. We also have for probably the biggest one we've ever done is we're spending

01:10:19.020 a quarter million dollars to do voter turnout in Virginia, targeting disaffected patriotic

01:10:23.880 Americans who are unlikely to vote. But on top of that, we're also going to be looking at the

01:10:27.960 voter list statewide to ascertain people. We think the state or county should follow up on to see if

01:10:33.240 they really exist or not, or still live in the state or not to help with some voter list hygiene.

01:10:36.820 And we're also going to encourage people to engage with voter, uh, voter, uh, ballot

01:10:41.580 place watching, ballot, ballot monitoring, election place monitoring. And what I can tell you,

01:10:45.620 and this is kind of inspiring in a way, she gives everybody a sense of comfort is that between 2020

01:10:49.820 and the 2022 election, and this is continuing the political parties, outside groups, groups like

01:10:56.380 look ahead America have done a very good job infiltrating the election system on every level.

01:11:01.940 We've got eyes and ears everywhere. And it's, and you know, I give, um, Steve Bannon a lot of credit

01:11:06.540 for this by getting his war room people activating the precinct committeeman projects and getting them

01:11:10.880 signed up to be election observers. I actually on election night, 2022, I was monitoring a drop box,

01:11:17.220 um, just to, uh, see what's going on. Right. And to also make sure that there wasn't any funny

01:11:21.860 business, but there was actually somebody from the local county party who not only did they monitor

01:11:25.480 that drop box, but they follow the, uh, county employee who picked it up and then brought it to

01:11:30.680 the central counting facility. So between that, between the laws, look ahead America's help get

01:11:35.460 passed around the country, securing the elections. If you had big doubts about what's happening in 2020,

01:11:41.460 I, that's fair to have those doubts because a lot of questions were raised, but I think we've done a

01:11:45.400 lot to improve it. But one thing I can guarantee you, I can promise you is that the impact of our

01:11:51.540 people not turning out and showing up to vote had a between a 100 and 1,000 times bigger impact

01:11:56.460 than illegal ballots that were cast on the outcome of the election. Okay. Uh, thank you for that.

01:12:01.560 Can you give a, some examples of what you would do in a battleground state like Pennsylvania going

01:12:06.080 into 2020? Well, for one thing, Pennsylvania, the last three elections had more votes than voters.

01:12:11.660 Does that, is that something? If you're signing the census, more votes than voters. Let me talk.

01:12:16.360 You got, you're going to sit there and cut in. I thought it was a two way thing.

01:12:20.080 What I did on election night, I didn't just watch one little piece or whatever Matt watched. We

01:12:26.300 watched the Edison research or Edison report come right out of New Jersey, which when usually it goes,

01:12:31.760 it goes to all the outlets, but usually we take it from, uh, the, uh, the New York times. They

01:12:36.980 didn't do it this in 2022. CNN did it. So my cyber guys watch that feed mathematicians. These are,

01:12:43.900 these are physicists. These are some of the smartest people that ever walked the planet.

01:12:48.040 They're watching this. And in real time, you watch this injection of votes in Pennsylvania,

01:12:53.620 Pennsylvania. You watched every time I was got close, they gave Fetterman these,

01:12:57.020 these amount of votes. You watched it in real time. What I went, what we're going to do,

01:13:01.240 we have to fix our election platform. When I was at the RNC, I told them all, I said,

01:13:06.260 you guys didn't lose five elections in a row because you spent money frivolously and you didn't

01:13:11.460 campaign and all this other stuff, or you didn't have enough money. You spent it on this and that.

01:13:15.980 I said, you lost because they, it was the computer manipulation that goes along with this. And

01:13:22.460 there's other things that tie into that, that you have to have all these things that were put in

01:13:26.040 illegal early voting, all these other things you need, you need to be able to pull those names in

01:13:31.320 order to do this. When we talk about, um, same day voting being harder to cheat than it is here on

01:13:37.000 that day, they have to be very blatant flip votes. Like you see Newsom's recall in California,

01:13:42.620 you watched in real time on TV, 200,000 votes go from a yes to a no. They, when you trap them and

01:13:49.620 you make them vote on same day, when people vote on same day, they have to do something obvious,

01:13:55.160 like shut down 262 machines in Maricopa County. What any other time in history, the media would have

01:14:01.660 jumped in, the law enforcement would have jumped in and said, let's check into this, right?

01:14:05.480 And what we're going to do for the, for not just for 20, 2024, what we're announcing on August 17th,

01:14:12.560 immediately the next day, we're going to do Louisiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Virginia. All

01:14:18.640 of this is going to be put into place immediately and everybody's going to embrace it in the whole

01:14:23.140 country. Matt will, you will, you will on TV. It's never been done before. And it's never even

01:14:29.020 been tried in world history. And I'm telling you, that's it. Everybody go to lyndalevent.com

01:14:33.940 and you can check it out right there, right now. And I'm telling you what, it's not melt down the

01:14:39.320 machines and turn them into prison bars because that's been talked about. It's not paper ballot,

01:14:43.660 it's not ballot harvest because all that's been talked about. This is something I can't put out

01:14:47.860 now or why? Because you'd have people like Matt here putting up a thing there like the media does

01:14:52.300 to suppress every single thing that we try to do. I have a voice. God's given me this platform as a

01:14:58.120 voice. I have better things to do than spend $60 million investigating. So I'm smarter than that.

01:15:03.940 I'm CEO of a monster company. When we have, when, when box stores de-platformed us, we had to make

01:15:10.100 a move or I would lay off employees. I couldn't lay up. We're like a family with all of our family. We

01:15:14.500 have careers there. So we make moves. I have to go, well, let's move them over here to mystore.com

01:15:19.300 for shipping. You have to make moves based on the footprint you're in. The problem is with Matt and

01:15:24.800 people like him, they're just misconstrued. They don't even know the real footprint they're in right now,

01:15:29.820 but that's, that's fine. We've solved that August 17th. Everybody will see this and it'll, like I

01:15:36.060 say, it'll be streamed around the world on frankspeech.com and it'll be in 50 languages

01:15:40.260 because there's other countries that will finally have hope. They will finally have hope because

01:15:45.200 this will be used in their country too. So what do you think? Can I jump in though? There's something

01:15:49.480 like you keep saying these things that I know because I worked in this field for again, 30 years.

01:15:55.440 You didn't have machines 30 years ago, did you Matt? Yes, we did. Oh, you did? Really? Were you

01:16:00.860 developing it then or what? So your quote that somehow- Oh, can you say there were no machine?

01:16:06.540 Machines didn't come in until 2001. I think you'd be a chance to respond to the comments. Yeah, I mean,

01:16:10.140 there have been mechanical machines used for generations. In fact, my very first election I

01:16:14.480 participated in, I actually participated in the hand count myself, but we have all kinds of machines

01:16:18.460 that have been used for tabulating votes for a long time. But that's, again, unrelated to voter

01:16:22.800 turnout and ballot harvesting. But you keep like, you're citing as evidence that you were watching

01:16:27.400 the numbers come in from Edison or the New York Times. Those are- No, that was CNN and New York

01:16:31.580 Times. Or any of them. It doesn't matter. Those numbers are not authentic. Those are data entered

01:16:37.440 by a reporter who's at some office- That's not true.

01:16:40.120 Watching it. Yes, it is. No, it's not true.

01:16:41.540 And I've seen cases, elections I'm watching. We were looking at the New York Times.

01:16:44.400 You don't see, once again, you don't know data. You don't know data. You didn't do your due diligence.

01:16:48.700 Yeah. So the journals are people that are doing the data entry. They switch two numbers around

01:16:56.320 by accident. So I mean, I've been in cases where I've seen like the New York Times has the number

01:16:59.960 different than what we know it is because we're actually in the office where they're announcing

01:17:02.740 it. So that's not evidence of anything. You didn't know that I was the source. You didn't

01:17:07.720 know I was the source. You didn't know that I was the source of your data.

01:17:10.680 Matt, how do you explain 4,800 people? How do you explain 4,800 people in Alabama that were deceased?

01:17:18.160 Where the curtain's going to come up and it's going to reveal all to us the solutions that we

01:17:21.760 still have. We've gone almost two hours here. No, actually just an hour.

01:17:25.720 An hour and 10 minutes in.

01:17:26.580 Yeah, we've got so much more to go.

01:17:27.540 Yeah, don't worry guys. 50 more minutes.

01:17:28.960 But so little evidence. And all I'm saying is people, you got to vote. You got to vote early.

01:17:34.260 Absentee. You want to vote on election day? That's cool too. But we have to.

01:17:37.180 These people who are not showing up to vote, we need to exert maximum pressure on them to get them

01:17:44.160 to vote any way we possibly can. And even, you know, the biggest, actually, you know, I talked

01:17:48.700 to Dr. Frank just this week, your friend, and I said to him, well, look, Mike, because he's going

01:17:53.860 to be, sorry, Dr. Frank, you've got this event you're coming at, you're talking about actually

01:17:59.120 in Joe Kent's district. And I said, look, but we had like 60,000 people that didn't show up,

01:18:03.840 or I'm sorry, almost 100,000 that didn't show up and vote. Are you saying we shouldn't go to

01:18:07.000 those people and say, hey, cast that ballot, or at least make it that much harder to cheat? And

01:18:11.320 he says, look, in an ideal world, we would have everybody voting on election day. And that's what

01:18:16.340 I recommend in person, et cetera. But absent that, if that's the best case scenario, you can't,

01:18:21.300 yeah, just get them to vote any way you can, if you can't get them to vote that way on election

01:18:24.760 day, which is what this entire exercise is about. And yet we have this guy saying that he's got this

01:18:30.300 conference where all will be revealed, and this gag order is going to be lifted, and all the evidence

01:18:33.680 will be presented. Like, I've got real people, secretaries of state, calling me about his

01:18:38.260 allegations, looking for the evidence, and it's nowhere to be seen. He's losing lawsuits.

01:18:43.960 Was that two and a half years ago?

01:18:45.040 Hold on a second. I just want to ask, can you define ballots harvesting for our audience and

01:18:49.480 talk about how it would be secure in the way that you're talking about doing it, or with early voting?

01:18:55.360 Well, there's all kinds of ways to improve ballot security. And one of the things that we've

01:18:59.120 advocated at Lookahead is to get rid of the signature verification, instead use thumbprint

01:19:05.380 authentication, because it's much harder to copy. No, that's not here. What would you do under the

01:19:08.700 footprint we're in? No, no, she's asking me what I would want us to do, but...

01:19:11.420 Well, I want to know what the practical applications, if we're advocating for early voting right now,

01:19:15.580 the ideal is great, I'd love to hear it, but also what are we doing right now to ensure that

01:19:19.620 ballot harvesting, if that's the best practice, is a secure way to have a secure election?

01:19:24.220 Well, what we've seen is that it is secure. We haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. In fact,

01:19:29.120 you casting your ballot early is an anti-fraud measure because it prevents somebody else from

01:19:33.580 casting your ballot on election day, showing up saying that I'm here, or, you know, or, but the

01:19:38.320 thing is, and I've been there, when the office gets the envelope, it's sealed, and it's got your

01:19:43.360 personal information on the interior, the affidavit envelope, and on the inside of that, it's got

01:19:49.240 another envelope which has your ballot in it. It's kind of a time-tested, reliable way that we've

01:19:53.540 always done it. Now, that is just how it works in this country, and that's just how people have

01:19:58.920 voted, and we've got these, again, hundreds and hundreds, millions of people who have not cast a

01:20:03.160 ballot. If the only way we can get them to cast that ballot is to put it in the mail, at the very

01:20:07.360 least, even if you believe everything he's saying, it just makes it that much harder for them to cheat.

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01:21:42.160 Do you want to respond to how we can secure? Well, I guess my question for you is,

01:21:47.020 is there ever a place for early voting?

01:21:49.980 He's talking, we're talking ballot harvesting. Is there ever a place for early voting?

01:21:54.980 Yes. Is there ever a place for early voting?

01:21:56.440 They, not, not in this current footprint, you would vote same day. Why? Because we have to-

01:22:02.400 But that's not the reality, Mike. It's not where we are right now.

01:22:04.280 No, this is what-

01:22:04.860 This is where you'd like to go, but we're not there now.

01:22:07.260 Matt, if I could sit here and tell you this plan right now that in August, you can just-

01:22:12.100 Why can't you, Mike? Why can't you tell us? Tell us, finally.

01:22:14.620 Why can't you tell us? Because you know what? The only way, I just tried to tell you with the Al Capone story,

01:22:20.420 but the media right now, everything, let me finish everything that comes out right now. All the

01:22:26.960 things you're doing good, all the things, everything that everybody's out there, the

01:22:31.700 success is right. You're doing great things with the J6ers, whoever. Who knows about it? Nobody,

01:22:36.900 nobody, because you're not on, we lost, let me tell you something. On January 7th and 8th,

01:22:41.820 we lost, that's a significant two days in history. That's the day 1.2 million Americans were

01:22:46.980 de-platformed. They were de-platformed on all these platforms that had spoke out about our

01:22:51.280 election, and the ones that weren't were put into fear. That's the day we lost our, almost lost our

01:22:56.400 voice. Now, if you want to talk about lawfare, there was a certain company, I won't name them,

01:23:01.080 sued a certain company on February 4th of 2021. When they did that, everybody, the conservative

01:23:07.120 media, like your Foxes of the world and your Newsmax of the world and your Salem media, they won't

01:23:12.520 talk about anything to do with our election platforms. Zero, even 2,000 mils, Fox and Newsmax

01:23:18.660 would not put on. They will not talk about where we're going to fix our platforms. So I get one

01:23:23.380 shot at this, one shot. Right now, if I told you the plan here, it would die right here. They would

01:23:28.920 kill it. They would die. I'm telling you. And so we get one shot, and I'm telling you, on August 17th,

01:23:34.960 go to lyndalevent.com right now. I have to have it. I'm going to get at least 10 million people

01:23:39.900 watching that. And this is a plan that secures our election. And you're going to be, I would love

01:23:45.240 it if you're there. You will be going, wow, this has never even been thought of, and you're going

01:23:49.500 to embrace it. You will embrace it like you've never embraced anything. And by the way, all the

01:23:54.480 work you're doing on other stuff, and everyone out there that's doing, that's been working tirelessly

01:23:59.020 for two and a half years to fix our platforms, lawsuits. You just had 16 people get lawsuits against

01:24:05.100 felonies in Michigan yesterday. You have Texas down there that just went off of Eric. All these

01:24:10.660 things, we needed to have a plan. Well, this plan, it puts it all in a bundle. Here it is. It's

01:24:16.140 beautiful. Based on where we're at right now, Matt. Based on where we're at now. Do I believe in going

01:24:21.860 out and knocking doors and registering Republicans? Absolutely. 100%. Do I believe in precinct strategy,

01:24:27.740 which I was a big part of and I promote it? Absolutely. And we've done those things. But you know

01:24:33.360 what? We're moving forward. The big picture, we cannot lose our country. I don't care if you're,

01:24:38.760 Jimmy Kimmel asked me, he asked me, he said, Mike, if the shoe was on the foot and your friend Donald

01:24:44.460 Trump had won, would you still be sounding the alarm? I said, absolutely. 100% I would. The Washington

01:24:50.480 Post and Politico went back to Minnesota, and this is back in the spring of 21. They questioned people

01:24:56.200 all around my county and said, would he really do this? Would he still be fighting? And everyone said yes.

01:25:00.960 If you read my book, I've been through stuff like this before. This is what, this is, it's critical

01:25:06.260 what's happening now. I sit in a claw, you know, for me to get the word out, you ask why, why wouldn't

01:25:10.480 I tell it now? I've had to do stuff, been attacked, losing hundreds of million dollars. Every dime I've

01:25:15.420 had is gone, putting money into this election to save our country, to save our future. And if I have

01:25:22.060 to sit in a claw machine on Jimmy Kimmel, I will do it. That's why I did it. You think I did it to

01:25:27.940 be funny? I did it because in between I can get the word out. Remember the first thing I said to

01:25:32.620 Jimmy Kimmel? He goes, they had funny, this wasn't scripted. I'm sitting in this claw machine to get

01:25:38.040 the word out. I said, Mike, he asked about the machines. I said, Jimmy, remember when we were

01:25:41.720 kids and we thought all these carnival games, we said they were rigged? And I said, yeah, we did,

01:25:46.500 but we didn't get sued when we spoke out about them. And there was, and there was able to get the

01:25:51.060 message out. We are in trouble as a country with these computers. And you can sit there and now swing it

01:25:57.180 like, oh, I went after Dominion, but that's just to get a different kind of machine that's going

01:26:00.980 to be more secure. So if we're in trouble as a country, let's talk about moving forward, right?

01:26:06.560 I just did. You did too. What is the most important thing? I mean, I can totally understand the

01:26:12.420 conversation around if I mail in a ballot and, you know, I sign the envelope and separate from the

01:26:17.920 envelope. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that.

01:26:20.040 So wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, please. Sorry. Did you just agree with me, Mike,

01:26:23.060 that there's nothing wrong with getting more turnout? So getting her to mail her ballot in?

01:26:26.160 I think that's crazy. We might actually have some common ground here.

01:26:29.340 Because look, I mean, here's the thing, Mike, I know you got this conference coming up.

01:26:32.040 If you take all the, if you extrapolate.

01:26:33.900 No, what I want to know, what I want to know, and I think what our audience wants to know is

01:26:37.380 if the concern is that 55% of Americans, based on this peer research poll,

01:26:41.720 feel as though elections are not secure, and our objective is to get them to the polls,

01:26:46.020 how do we have both things come true, right?

01:26:48.060 Oh, we do it like what we've done right now, whereas I'm debating the leading skeptic of

01:26:52.980 early and absentee voting and demonstrating over and over again that he doesn't,

01:26:56.400 no, let me finish.

01:26:57.340 Why don't you walk us through how early ballots are secure?

01:27:00.620 Right, well, but again, the voice that goes through, how are they secure?

01:27:03.460 How are ballot harvesting ballots secure?

01:27:05.900 Doesn't know where he's getting his data from.

01:27:08.620 He doesn't want to release any evidence.

01:27:10.200 And if you just come to this conference, all will be revealed.

01:27:15.240 I assume you're not attending the conference.

01:27:17.300 But I really would like to return the point, because I want our viewers to walk away from

01:27:21.100 this having really learned something about what happens when they're voting.

01:27:23.640 Tell them how ballot harvesting works.

01:27:25.340 How is it secure?

01:27:26.460 And I've harvested ballots myself.

01:27:29.040 So let's talk about it.

01:27:30.320 Sure, I came here.

01:27:30.940 What is there if you're, just take the boogeyman out of the closet?

01:27:32.920 Do we trust you?

01:27:34.620 Well, the people who gave me the ballots.

01:27:35.480 I'm just saying, you say your ballot harvesting.

01:27:36.660 Hold on, let him give him an example of his bond.

01:27:37.920 Look, in states where it's legal, and in many places it is, you can walk up to somebody's

01:27:43.120 house and say, hey, it seems, according to our records, you haven't returned your ballot

01:27:46.600 yet.

01:27:46.980 It's really important in this election you do so.

01:27:49.080 Let us take your ballot, and we'll put it in the drop box to return it to the county

01:27:51.980 for you.

01:27:52.380 Can you give it to me?

01:27:53.400 And they do.

01:27:54.000 And that's what we do.

01:27:54.800 And those are the rules.

01:27:55.780 And those are the rules that are allowing the left and Democrats to run the people.

01:27:58.320 But what if I say, I don't know what you're going to do with it?

01:28:00.160 I don't know.

01:28:00.820 Well, there's actually two things that will help you have some more confidence.

01:28:04.040 First of all, is that when I return it on every one of these states' websites,

01:28:07.480 you can go and log in at the voting website and see that your ballot has, in fact, been

01:28:11.080 received and when it was received.

01:28:12.680 So that is some authentication.

01:28:14.420 And on the interior of the ballot, which I don't have access to, you've got personal

01:28:18.120 information you have to write down that they then confirm and check.

01:28:21.960 And again, it's not perfect because the signature verification is very subjective.

01:28:26.200 And that's why we've been advocating for thumbprint authentication on these.

01:28:29.260 Again, we would like to get rid of-

01:28:30.340 You were advocating on the current footprint.

01:28:31.520 How does ballot harvesting help?

01:28:33.220 I just did.

01:28:34.160 So if I, these people whose houses I went to and retrieved these ballots from, they wouldn't

01:28:39.560 have voted otherwise.

01:28:40.340 We wouldn't have gotten them in.

01:28:41.300 Or in the case of Virginia, where ballot harvesting in that way, legal ballot harvesting isn't legal.

01:28:46.060 What we can do is get them to fill out a form so that the state will mail them their early

01:28:50.240 ballot and do so automatically every year.

01:28:52.480 And then we make, and there's about 80% recidivism rate.

01:28:55.460 And while we can't physically take it from them, we can say, hey, you know, you still haven't

01:28:58.680 returned your ballot yet.

01:28:59.460 If you return your ballot, you know, it helps me keep my job because I'm a doorknocker.

01:29:03.460 So there's all kinds of ways to do that.

01:29:05.640 And that basically answers your question on security.

01:29:08.100 Yeah, it's definitely helpful.

01:29:09.020 I would say it's interesting that you're saying, you know, you have these doorknockers, people

01:29:11.960 will go out.

01:29:12.420 But in my experience, Republicans are famously behind on their ground.

01:29:16.360 That's what this debate is about.

01:29:17.940 Why are we behind it?

01:29:18.780 Because we have voices saying we shouldn't.

01:29:20.320 My question would be separate from getting ballots to people and whether or not they're mailed

01:29:24.760 in or harvested.

01:29:25.200 How are you getting young Republicans or young conservatives out on the field to support

01:29:29.540 these things?

01:29:29.980 Do we actually have an infrastructure that would allow this to happen?

01:29:32.480 That's a great question.

01:29:32.780 You know, what we have had a problem with recently is the parties had fractured ideas about it.

01:29:38.400 But now again, we can, you can do tweet one again, Julie.

01:29:41.000 We have everybody that really matters in the Republican Party.

01:29:43.900 We're all in the same message.

01:29:44.880 Even people who disagree with each other, who've run against each other, we all recognize the

01:29:49.060 importance of getting into the ballot harvesting game.

01:29:51.120 And I heard a wonderful, we got the untouchable story told before, Al Capone, I'll share a

01:29:56.340 different one, a football metaphor.

01:29:58.140 You know, it's not legal to do pass interference, right?

01:30:00.920 In football, okay?

01:30:02.420 But if the NFL decided one day to make pass interference legal, okay?

01:30:07.420 But one team said, you know, we're just not going to do that.

01:30:09.720 We don't think it's right that they changed the rules.

01:30:11.620 We're not going to do pass interference.

01:30:13.120 But all the other teams are.

01:30:14.580 How do you think things are going to go for that team?

01:30:16.200 That's the situation that we've been in for a long time.

01:30:18.380 And, you know, even though I've had very big and public disagreements with Ronna Romney

01:30:22.900 and the RNC, she is on the same page now with all of, you know, with the MAGA, right?

01:30:27.660 With everybody else, with everybody in the nonprofit world like I am.

01:30:30.840 We've got to do this.

01:30:31.780 We've got to get into the game.

01:30:32.980 We can fix the election system, but we can't do anything about it until we have power to

01:30:36.700 do so.

01:30:37.500 And that takes winning elections.

01:30:39.440 And look, this guy's been at it for two and a half years.

01:30:42.180 We've got generations of people who know what they're doing, who didn't just wake up one

01:30:46.160 day and get a report and then, you know, decide to spend $60 million chasing ghosts.

01:30:50.440 These are real people making real fights, winning and losing really important elections.

01:30:55.440 I think this is a really interesting comment.

01:30:56.900 If you want to fix the election, you need to have the power to do so.

01:31:00.040 How do you feel about that?

01:31:01.280 Well, I don't know where to start with that nonsense.

01:31:04.540 I have right now, probably my voice goes out to probably a million people in all 50 states

01:31:10.540 that have been working tirelessly on the ground for two and a half years, getting evidence

01:31:15.200 going door to door and saying, hey, did so-and-so vote here?

01:31:20.440 And they go, no.

01:31:21.320 And then we backtrack that.

01:31:22.620 We have cyber guys.

01:31:23.680 And I have a team that's probably 50 cyber guys alone that are on payroll that dig into

01:31:29.960 this, these mathematical anomalies, these mathematical deviations that are impossible.

01:31:34.360 I'll just give you an example.

01:31:37.600 The Secretary of State of Florida, or I mean, hold on here, I'll get the numbers.

01:31:44.060 With our dirty voter rolls, you have in, I got to see here, in Wisconsin, or here it is.

01:31:51.780 In Wisconsin, I got to get them all here.

01:31:55.340 You're looking for numbers about...

01:32:03.800 Yeah, well, anyway, almost every state has at least 2 million more people that are on

01:32:10.940 the dirty voter rolls than they have if everybody registered.

01:32:14.420 Wisconsin, it's over 3 million.

01:32:16.280 New York, over 2 million.

01:32:18.060 Florida, over 4 million.

01:32:19.500 So, the more you have early voting, and the more you have this ballot harvesting, they're

01:32:26.960 just pulling names from the rolls.

01:32:29.300 In Alabama, I mean, I don't know if Matt can explain, he can give me all the flack he wants

01:32:35.540 about this evidence.

01:32:38.800 Since that evidence was put out with Dennis Montgomery, think of it a camera angle in a

01:32:47.060 diamond store robbery, right?

01:32:48.940 A robbery of a diamond store.

01:32:49.960 You have one camera angle.

01:32:51.100 Now, since then, we have like 3 other camera angles.

01:32:53.920 I'm going to use the state of Florida.

01:32:55.300 In the 2020 election, 960,000 votes.

01:32:58.680 That's what this evidence said.

01:33:00.160 What he's saying, trying to discredit, because it's not all out there yet, and it will be

01:33:03.800 because the judge just ruled.

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01:34:30.260 We went to the state of Florida.

01:34:35.360 We got all the voter rolls for the 2020 election, and we went out and they canvassed.

01:34:40.660 80,000, it's called Defend Florida.

01:34:43.000 They went out and canvassed volunteers, thousands of them, went all over Florida,

01:34:48.200 door to door, because six people or more that voted in a household.

01:34:52.380 We went right to them.

01:34:53.340 It's right on the voter rolls that said they voted.

01:34:55.360 We went there and said two people live there.

01:34:57.540 Well, what about these people?

01:34:58.580 Then you check into those names and you find out they're either deceased or they don't live in

01:35:03.680 Florida.

01:35:04.180 Of those 80,000 homes are names that were canvassed.

01:35:08.840 I'm just doing one example.

01:35:10.000 It's all 50 states that were canvassed.

01:35:12.440 20-some thousand of them were called phantom voters.

01:35:15.640 You like to use it chasing a goat.

01:35:17.080 No, they were phantom voters, but they were real names that were voted in our election

01:35:20.980 in Florida.

01:35:22.040 If I'm understanding you correctly, your number one priority would be to clean up the voter

01:35:27.460 rolls.

01:35:27.820 And you feel like we can do that before winning an election.

01:35:29.980 The number one priority is we have to fix everything right now because we only get one shot.

01:35:35.180 How do you do that, Mike?

01:35:35.880 Where do you start?

01:35:36.660 I just told you.

01:35:37.720 On August 17th, you can laugh all you want, whatever.

01:35:41.080 But the reason I'm doing it like this is because I have to.

01:35:44.980 The media will suppress this and they'll destroy me.

01:35:47.240 He's come here and tried to destroy my credibility based on the $5 million challenge on that.

01:35:53.940 That I was trying to explain.

01:35:55.320 That's one camera angle.

01:35:56.920 These cast vote records came and these canvassing came right out of the machine.

01:36:01.460 The problem with this, Mike.

01:36:02.180 We can't look in the machines.

01:36:03.860 So we went out and canvassed that.

01:36:05.480 How can you explain every state?

01:36:08.240 I'll explain, Mike.

01:36:09.120 No, no, Mike, but you've done this in Georgia.

01:36:10.720 8,000-some people that didn't live in Florida voted.

01:36:13.500 The dirty, the rolls are not kept hygienically.

01:36:16.700 We have passed laws.

01:36:18.980 In fact, South Carolina is the best example requiring aggressive voterless hygiene.

01:36:23.180 Look, I'm still on the voter roll in South Carolina, even though I live in Virginia and

01:36:26.700 registered to vote there.

01:36:27.780 They don't do a very good job monitoring their voters.

01:36:30.000 It's also a potential avenue for voter fraud.

01:36:32.280 I will acknowledge that.

01:36:33.360 But that is not a reason to not go to every supporter, patriotic door and say, hey, please

01:36:39.680 vote early and by mail or in person because that allows us not to have to target you anymore

01:36:44.420 and spend money.

01:36:44.980 It also is the best way to secure your ballot because even if you look, if you tell them

01:36:48.320 to vote on election day, well, their kid's sick that day.

01:36:50.600 Their car breaks down.

01:36:51.580 It's bad weather.

01:36:52.400 Something happens like it did in Maricopa.

01:36:54.320 But nobody who cast votes by mail in Arizona had any issues.

01:36:58.520 It was just the people who waited until election day.

01:37:01.220 Which was very planned.

01:37:02.220 They shut down 262 machines.

01:37:04.300 He brings up South Carolina.

01:37:05.800 I'm going to tell everybody right now.

01:37:08.020 He discredits cast vote records.

01:37:11.120 We can't look in the machines.

01:37:13.160 They won't let us look in there.

01:37:14.460 So these are the one thing we can get two things from under the Freedom of Information

01:37:18.100 Act.

01:37:18.420 You can get the cast vote records and you can also get all the voter rolls.

01:37:22.620 I bought them.

01:37:23.120 I've got them all for every everyone that voted 2020 and 2022.

01:37:26.160 Now, in South Carolina, just last week, they're making or trying to pass a bill to make it

01:37:33.500 so you can't get the cast vote records and to destroy the Freedom of Information Act that

01:37:38.440 we, the people, we want to see what's inside.

01:37:41.200 We want transparency.

01:37:43.000 Hold on.

01:37:43.540 In Minnesota and South Dakota, they would not give these cast vote records up.

01:37:48.040 They're trying to stop us from what?

01:37:50.100 From seeing inside these computers and knowing what's going on.

01:37:53.400 If I had a bank here at my bank, if I had a problem with one of my pillows accounts, I'll

01:37:58.120 tell you what, you go to, you figure out that deviation.

01:38:01.700 I do.

01:38:02.060 I have thousands of accounts all over the country, podcasters, radio shows, whatever.

01:38:08.240 Everyone has their own defined promo code.

01:38:10.620 So I can track them and know, wow, this one did really good.

01:38:13.800 I just don't go rah, rah.

01:38:15.020 I find out why.

01:38:16.180 That's a deviation.

01:38:17.260 If something does really bad, I dig until I find out why.

01:38:20.800 That's what people in this country spent two and a half years doing till now we have everything.

01:38:27.080 The evidence has been up on Frank's speech.

01:38:29.080 It's been out there, but the media won't put it out there.

01:38:31.560 So when this guy comes in here and tries to discredit what these hundreds of thousands

01:38:35.660 of people have done, quit their jobs and everything to save this country and discredit the plan

01:38:41.540 we have on August 17th, which has never been done before.

01:38:44.860 You probably got your curiosity on that.

01:38:46.660 And you can be there on August 17th and go, I was, how does Fonzie say, I was wrong.

01:38:52.220 You know, Mike, hold on a second.

01:38:53.880 That would be a good statement for you.

01:38:54.720 I can almost, I'm pretty confident I can make a promise that the audience you have right

01:38:59.220 now in this program is probably going to be larger than what you have for your conference.

01:39:02.040 Well, I had six million months the last one.

01:39:04.440 This is the place to share it.

01:39:05.860 But I actually have been.

01:39:06.820 Okay, good one, Matt.

01:39:07.380 So you want to discredit it, huh?

01:39:10.040 You don't want it to be challenged?

01:39:11.140 You came in saying you're a buddy with assignments, so all the people want.

01:39:13.380 You want to share your ideas and have nobody question them or push back on them or ask for

01:39:17.500 evidence.

01:39:18.280 Okay, that's clear.

01:39:19.280 That's clear.

01:39:19.620 Ballot harvesting is rubbish.

01:39:21.540 I want to make.

01:39:22.040 The Kerry Lake example is the perfect example.

01:39:23.860 When those machines, when they shut down those 262 machines and everyone that walked in said,

01:39:28.640 put the ballot in the box, put the ballot in the box.

01:39:30.500 They became ballot harvested in essentially, just like you would ballot harvest.

01:39:35.980 They took them for three and a half or four days.

01:39:39.060 They did it again to this country and said, oh, we can't count them.

01:39:43.320 Do you want to respond to criticism for election day procedures in states?

01:39:46.860 I do.

01:39:47.260 I do.

01:39:47.760 But even when you put it in the box, even if it's working correctly, you still put the

01:39:52.080 vote in a box, Mike.

01:39:53.600 So if you have the ability to take votes out of those boxes that were different, you can

01:39:56.900 still access the boxes that people would have put them in if the machines were working

01:39:59.640 perfectly.

01:40:00.400 That's what the problem is with all of your allegations.

01:40:02.280 They took them and there was no chain of custody.

01:40:05.340 And for five days, they came back and there was 70, 30 years.

01:40:09.040 So chain of custody concerns?

01:40:10.920 Yeah.

01:40:11.100 What about your ballot harvesting?

01:40:12.280 Where's your chain of custody there?

01:40:13.800 You've got to give them a chance to actually say something.

01:40:15.580 I just explained to you how the absentee ballots that are harvested work.

01:40:18.840 They're an outside and outside envelope.

01:40:20.620 Then you have the affidavit envelope inside with personal information and a signature inside

01:40:23.960 you have a ballot.

01:40:25.500 Whether you like how that works, again, I want it to be more robust.

01:40:29.000 I want a thumbprint authentication on the affidavit envelope because, well, you don't have

01:40:33.880 a lot of things that you're asking for, like getting rid of machines and hand counting

01:40:36.460 everywhere.

01:40:36.940 That's where I would like to go and that's what we've advocated.

01:40:39.300 But where we are now is the system we have in place now.

01:40:43.120 And me and everybody, except for Van Jones, the communist, and Mike Lindell, we're all

01:40:48.940 on the same page about the importance of this.

01:40:50.980 I've got 50 million Americans say you're wrong.

01:40:53.780 Actually, 200 million.

01:40:54.880 You don't even know where your evidence is coming from.

01:40:56.740 You don't want to share it.

01:40:58.500 You don't know where your evidence is coming from.

01:41:00.360 You didn't even know that I was a source for your data.

01:41:01.460 Right out of the machines.

01:41:02.540 I just told you.

01:41:03.180 All right.

01:41:03.380 Okay.

01:41:03.620 Right out of the machines.

01:41:04.660 I'm loving this barring debate, gentlemen.

01:41:06.000 But I do want to ask, what is the role of election workers and on the ground?

01:41:10.740 We've talked a little bit today about the need for people to be on the ground, knocking

01:41:15.300 on doors, talking to people, whether it be to collect ballots or just to register with

01:41:19.260 them to vote.

01:41:19.780 What about poll workers?

01:41:21.140 You mentioned that you yourself were at a drop box on election night.

01:41:23.920 Yeah.

01:41:24.060 What would you say is y'all's obligation individually with the work that you do to make people take

01:41:31.540 volunteer positions on election day?

01:41:33.580 We encourage people to get involved with the election process, to be election place observers.

01:41:38.200 As a nonprofit, we're able to get people in those roles in Virginia.

01:41:42.200 I'm actually doing some training on that in, I think, actually Wisconsin in September,

01:41:48.320 training people on how to do that on the ground in Wisconsin.

01:41:50.680 I think it's important.

01:41:51.520 I think it's important that the day after the election, you have election observers of

01:41:55.300 all political parties and ideologies being able to walk out and say, look, we had eyes

01:41:59.240 everywhere.

01:41:59.740 We had ears everywhere.

01:42:00.760 Even if we don't like the outcome of the election, we believe it was clean.

01:42:03.960 And we did that in 2017 in Virginia.

01:42:06.040 We had 30 locations all being monitored.

01:42:09.840 We may not have liked the outcome of the election in 17, but we can say from everything we observed,

01:42:14.800 it was clean.

01:42:15.340 We saw no evidence to the contrary.

01:42:16.700 And I think that's important.

01:42:17.540 And so I think it's important to have those election observers there, not just to catch

01:42:21.440 problems, but to be able to say afterwards to people who are skeptical or buying into

01:42:26.580 the cockamamie schemes with no evidence that, oh, the election was hacked, the machine switched

01:42:31.640 it.

01:42:31.920 I think it's important.

01:42:32.800 So I would encourage people to volunteer for that.

01:42:34.540 And look ahead.

01:42:35.200 America's been leading the way in that front.

01:42:36.760 Yeah.

01:42:37.100 What about you?

01:42:37.760 Okay.

01:42:38.100 There's two things.

01:42:38.640 What's the role of volunteer observers in elections on election day?

01:42:40.660 First of all, go to precinctstrategy.com.

01:42:42.980 Become a precinct committee man or woman.

01:42:44.660 And that's it.

01:42:45.560 What do they do?

01:42:47.940 They're getting involved with a lot of things, but they actually vote the people in with the

01:42:52.500 GOP.

01:42:53.140 They actually do a lot of stuff, but it's a very important role, but they've been empty

01:42:58.740 in the Republican Party for a long time till precinct strategy, till that came along and

01:43:02.500 to fill them up.

01:43:04.240 In South Dakota alone, I think we filled up 800 and they haven't been filled for decades.

01:43:07.620 And the other thing is, you know, you talk about poll watchers.

01:43:11.680 I want to tell everyone with the plan in August 17th, don't be afraid of what happened in 2020

01:43:17.660 when you were a poll watcher and you went out there and you've seen things happen.

01:43:21.780 Like in Michigan, 106 votes come down for Biden in the middle of the night and 3,000 for Donald

01:43:27.020 Trump.

01:43:27.480 And they said, oh, those darn mail-in votes, the mail-in votes in Michigan were counted on

01:43:32.360 the morning of the 3rd.

01:43:33.360 So all these people that spoke up and said what they've seen because they didn't come

01:43:37.740 from mail-in votes, we don't know where they came from.

01:43:40.700 They spoke up and you know what?

01:43:42.240 Over 200 of them were sent threatening letters, sued, and we had a lawsuit.

01:43:47.340 We still have it ongoing.

01:43:48.680 They turned around and sued the machine companies and said, how dare you send us these?

01:43:53.440 Matt got two letters like that that he fails to disclose here.

01:43:57.620 Oh, I'm proud of them.

01:43:58.860 What are you talking about?

01:43:59.420 I'm proud of them.

01:44:00.000 But I'm just saying, I'm just saying that these poll watchers were out there.

01:44:03.980 What happened then?

01:44:05.000 What were they trying to protect?

01:44:06.560 Protect us using these electronic devices.

01:44:09.740 You know, and one of our things that happened in Arizona, one of the, in Cary Lake lawsuit

01:44:13.980 that we've been pushing through, still going on by the way, a judge said to one of my attorneys

01:44:19.560 said, yeah, you know, there's a vulnerability in paper ballots hand coming to every, you know,

01:44:26.980 people cheated, they've been cheating forever.

01:44:29.180 And you know what my lawyer said?

01:44:30.580 He said, yeah, that's, that's true.

01:44:32.940 But then, then what you can do with the computer by hitting a button and just changing a zero

01:44:39.060 or do whatever, and everywhere else, a cyber threat is the biggest threat to our world,

01:44:43.920 cyber threat.

01:44:44.480 And he said, but if you use, if you cheat the other way, you'd have to have a cabal of people

01:44:49.980 the size of Nevada and to do the kind of cheating that can go on.

01:44:54.360 So what I'm saying is when, when, you know, when you talk about the poll watchers, you know,

01:45:00.000 when you see after this plan that we're putting forth on August 17th, all these questions will

01:45:04.940 be answered and everyone's going to go, why didn't someone do this sooner in world?

01:45:09.200 It's never, it's never been talked about.

01:45:11.600 And Matt, I've put a challenge to you.

01:45:13.980 I would like you to come to the event because I would like you to say, you're just misconstrued.

01:45:18.680 And I, and I get that you've been around a long time.

01:45:20.980 You don't know, you don't get it.

01:45:23.540 And you're, you're trying to do some, you're an activist, you've done great things for the

01:45:27.540 January six people.

01:45:28.840 I mean, more, probably more so than anyone, but you don't know what the reality is of this

01:45:34.780 uniparty and attack on our country.

01:45:36.580 We're going to lose our country if we don't fix our platforms.

01:45:40.280 Now we can't wait around.

01:45:41.860 And if people don't tune in, you make a joke about this, uh, about the people tune in.

01:45:46.720 We have to get around that.

01:45:47.960 You make it very, you've given us a masterclass on why you're an excellent pillow salesman,

01:45:52.760 that level of energy, the intensity, the complete lack of reserve.

01:45:56.240 I get it.

01:45:56.960 You're very successful in that business, but you have no business giving anybody political

01:46:00.280 advice.

01:46:00.920 And if I was, and you don't, who are you?

01:46:03.920 I've proven what I can do with a massive company.

01:46:06.300 What have you done?

01:46:07.620 That's crazy.

01:46:08.680 You see something like that.

01:46:09.740 Let me finish though.

01:46:10.760 You're worse than the left-wing media.

01:46:12.340 Come bring in here and try and discredit the biggest evidence.

01:46:15.060 If I want to badly damage Democrats' confidence in elections and dissuade them from voting,

01:46:20.280 I would have somebody go into that community and tell them that their votes are being stolen.

01:46:24.560 They don't count.

01:46:25.400 And do not, by all means, do not cast your vote through the simplest, easiest way for you

01:46:29.860 to cast that ballot.

01:46:30.720 Do it in the most difficult and hardest way possible only, because only then you'll be sure you

01:46:34.940 win.

01:46:35.300 I would love to have an agent go into the Democratic Party and spread that message.

01:46:39.400 Instead, we have somebody coming on our side of the aisle spreading that message.

01:46:43.060 You know, you talk about canvassing.

01:46:45.520 I did canvassing too.

01:46:47.080 I had a very different story though, a very different outcome.

01:46:50.840 There was somebody that was curious about, you know, these phantom voters, ghost voters.

01:46:54.560 And they said, look, Matt, I want you to come down to Georgia, to Atlanta, Fulton County,

01:46:59.980 and see what's going on.

01:47:02.120 And we created this universe of people who either had voted in the 2020 election, had

01:47:06.080 never voted before, or had voted not in a long time, or they were just recently registered,

01:47:10.440 okay?

01:47:10.980 Just freshly registered.

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01:48:36.720 Did I mention that we care?

01:48:38.140 We identify this universe and we had a whole team of people go out.

01:48:43.560 And look, if you're reckless with this, be very careful because, you know, the FBI will

01:48:46.880 come after you for voter intimidation because you go to somebody's house saying, where's

01:48:49.700 this person?

01:48:50.160 They cast a vote or something like that.

01:48:51.640 Instead, what we did was we just asked to see the person because we want to ask them

01:48:54.820 as somebody who hasn't voted in a long time or maybe it's their first time voting.

01:48:57.900 Was it easy?

01:48:58.960 Are there ways we can improve the system?

01:49:00.140 And just document.

01:49:00.760 So it's more friendly.

01:49:01.440 But we're still determining whether or not that person really exists or not, whether

01:49:04.540 or not they really cast a ballot.

01:49:06.000 And what we found were thousands of people who were freshly registered or who had been

01:49:13.140 registered a long time ago and not shown up to vote, but did so this time.

01:49:16.740 Why?

01:49:17.380 Because Stacey Abrams and her organization was funded and went door to door and did everything

01:49:24.640 they could to make sure these, I looked them in the eye, they existed and they told me

01:49:29.760 that they exist and they cast those ballots.

01:49:31.540 They were freshly registered.

01:49:33.040 They were freshly turned out through ballot harvesting and similar schemes.

01:49:36.400 And that was a wake up call to me because, you know, I was curious, are these, or am I

01:49:40.940 just, is this a massive fraud thing?

01:49:42.620 Because we're always open to it.

01:49:43.880 But that was what we found.

01:49:45.700 Now, you can also electronically immediately identify, you know, quote unquote, ghost voters,

01:49:51.720 people who don't live at that address anymore.

01:49:52.960 They're still on the roll.

01:49:53.660 They got a ballot.

01:49:54.820 They shouldn't have cast it.

01:49:55.840 We've identified thousands of people like that.

01:49:57.920 And we're trying to get them removed from the rolls.

01:49:59.540 And in some cases, we've had them vote both in their home state and in an outside state.

01:50:04.000 So we've got a lot of open cases on double voting.

01:50:06.200 We've got three convictions of double voting so far.

01:50:08.760 And, you know, again, we're a small organization.

01:50:10.140 We're not $60 million.

01:50:11.540 We're like, I think about $400,000 to $500,000 on this effort because that's all we got.

01:50:15.700 And we punch way above our way to Look Ahead America.

01:50:18.220 And I can drop a website too, right?

01:50:20.680 Support us or sign up to volunteer at lookaheadamerica.org.

01:50:23.340 But I'm just saying.

01:50:24.240 But mine's not to make money.

01:50:25.520 Mine's to save the country, not to raise money.

01:50:27.920 Mine is lindalybank.com.

01:50:29.600 Mike, come on.

01:50:29.940 We're going to reveal the plan.

01:50:31.060 We're a C3.

01:50:31.940 We're at least our 990s.

01:50:33.500 One quick thing.

01:50:34.360 You talk about registered voters.

01:50:36.400 Yeah, sure.

01:50:36.560 You know, in California, everybody, here's your early voting ballot harvesting type thing.

01:50:43.700 In California, in the Newsom, in that election and that recall, there was at least, I would say, thousands and thousands of people that got there and they said, you've already voted.

01:50:58.080 You ballot harvest.

01:50:59.540 And I'm telling you, when you found all these people, oh, they didn't go vote.

01:51:03.020 You don't know that.

01:51:04.200 You just made the case for me.

01:51:04.900 Because they could have mailed their vote in and there's the trash.

01:51:07.720 You just made the case.

01:51:08.580 There's the trash.

01:51:08.660 If you show up on election day and they say you've already voted, that means that your ballot was taken from you early.

01:51:13.620 If you had cast it yourself early, then that would not have happened.

01:51:16.620 They're caught.

01:51:17.200 You know, California is a great example, Mike.

01:51:18.600 No, that catches you.

01:51:18.860 You don't get it.

01:51:19.680 California is a great example of ballot harvesting.

01:51:22.740 In 2022, hold on.

01:51:24.080 In 2022, Republicans in California decided, you know what?

01:51:27.840 We're tired of losing on this harvesting game where it's wildly legal, should be changed, shouldn't operate the way it should.

01:51:33.360 I agree.

01:51:34.260 I would support making ballot harvesting legal, okay?

01:51:36.700 I completely support that.

01:51:37.620 But in California, the Republicans said, you know what?

01:51:40.900 We're getting in the game.

01:51:41.600 And what they did is they set up their own drop boxes at areas close to their constituency and we picked up a bunch of congressional seats.

01:51:50.080 In fact, they did it so well, the Democrats actually sued them and the state came after them for doing that because they were doing it so well that it was starting to become a threat to their dominance in the state.

01:51:59.760 They were picking up congressional districts that they never thought they would win.

01:52:02.760 And, again, that's because the leadership of people like Harmeet Dillon and other people in the California party who are leading the way in this fight is that, look, Mike.

01:52:11.080 Harmeet Dillon, by the way, is the one that pulled out of Arizona.

01:52:14.220 I'm going to tell you this.

01:52:15.120 In California, it's one of our best states.

01:52:18.020 We're on the first day of this event.

01:52:19.540 We're going to have all 50 states up there on August 16th.

01:52:22.440 We're going to show you the hope for each state.

01:52:24.720 In California, starting with Shasta County, they have went machine-free.

01:52:30.060 These courageous people have went machine-free.

01:52:32.660 And we have 18 other counties we're working with, machine-free, paper ballots, hand counting, just like they did in the election in Osage County, Missouri.

01:52:41.120 This is from the county up, everybody.

01:52:43.340 Most states, you can make these decisions from the county up.

01:52:46.600 You can go into your county and say, we don't want that machine.

01:52:51.180 They're not transparent.

01:52:52.500 We want transparent elections.

01:52:54.800 Now, if you do this, if they get rid of, which we will, eventually will be gone, but let's say it's Shasta County, California.

01:53:03.100 Now, all of a sudden, or Osage, we'll use Osage County, Missouri.

01:53:06.380 You use that, and now if all Missouri goes machine-free, and you say, well, we put in ballot harvesting.

01:53:13.640 You know what?

01:53:14.460 By taking the steel out of the machines, now with ballot harvesting, you can steal without machines.

01:53:19.960 That is the most corrupt thing.

01:53:21.600 Here's your ballots.

01:53:22.420 There's the garbage.

01:53:23.160 Here's your ballots.

01:53:24.060 Here.

01:53:24.480 There's the garbage.

01:53:25.460 Oh, here's this.

01:53:26.240 Can I ask a question?

01:53:27.100 But that doesn't happen.

01:53:27.760 Hold on.

01:53:27.960 Hold on.

01:53:28.240 Hold on.

01:53:28.840 If I'm voting on Election Day, and I live in a county that, you know, if you're saying

01:53:32.260 from now and then you should lobby your county, get rid of voting machines, I understand.

01:53:35.040 But if I, we get to Election Day in November of 2024, and I live in a county that has, that

01:53:40.980 I haven't voted early in, let's say, because I'm not listening, I guess, and they have a voting

01:53:45.900 machine, are you saying that I shouldn't vote because we just can't trust the machine?

01:53:49.440 What's your recommendation?

01:53:50.060 No, you absolutely have to vote.

01:53:52.340 We've got, if right now this country is 70% red.

01:53:56.280 This is based on what the counties we know where there were no machine manipulation and

01:54:00.580 extrapolate.

01:54:01.440 What if there was a world where you could take out all the computers out of it?

01:54:05.540 70%, 68% red.

01:54:08.240 That you see why Miami-Dade County is red, right?

01:54:10.700 All across our country.

01:54:12.140 What they have done to our country, if they've lied to us, the Uniparty, and you take, when

01:54:16.880 you're going to, when you're going to take cheat with a computer, if I told you, Matt,

01:54:21.280 if I said, what county do you live in?

01:54:23.840 I live in Fairfax.

01:54:24.980 Fairfax.

01:54:25.420 If I said in Fairfax County that Donald Trump won $500,600 to Biden's five votes, what would

01:54:33.540 you say?

01:54:35.000 What would you say?

01:54:36.340 I would say that's a little odd.

01:54:37.840 No, would you, that's all you would say?

01:54:39.540 Or would you say, what would go through your head?

01:54:41.180 Would you say it's a computer error?

01:54:42.580 Would you say it's a computer error?

01:54:44.320 It's a hypothetical.

01:54:45.400 I don't know.

01:54:45.920 No, okay.

01:54:46.700 Would you say when that girl got zero votes in Georgia?

01:54:49.200 No, let me just finish, Matt, let me finish.

01:54:51.920 When that lady got zero votes in Georgia, and she's a Democrat, she got zero votes in

01:54:57.740 her own precinct.

01:54:58.680 Would you, what would you say to that?

01:55:00.060 Would you say what?

01:55:01.280 Here's, I don't think you got.

01:55:02.380 No, answer that question.

01:55:03.320 You can ask whatever question you want, and I can answer that.

01:55:05.560 It can only be a computer error.

01:55:07.800 Okay, Mike.

01:55:08.560 Now, when I'm saying this, when you use computers, you have to stay away from the big deviations.

01:55:14.820 What happened to our country, otherwise everyone raises their hand and go, we got to look

01:55:19.100 into that.

01:55:19.960 We got to look into that.

01:55:21.300 On the night of the election in 2020, that's why it's so important.

01:55:24.720 It's at three o'clock in the morning, they shut down those states.

01:55:27.700 Well, it was a deviation that they did that.

01:55:30.100 It was a deviation.

01:55:30.980 Mike, the problem is this has nothing to do with early vote.

01:55:33.380 No, but this has nothing to do with why you shouldn't vote early.

01:55:35.880 Remember, because they're counting votes.

01:55:38.260 Look, if you want to talk about machines, I guess you can get sued again or something.

01:55:41.960 Our election platforms need to be fixed and secured.

01:55:44.920 No one's arguing.

01:55:45.820 They're going to be on August 17th.

01:55:46.820 This is why I'm really not.

01:55:48.320 Are you here to debate, Mike, or to promote your little show?

01:55:50.540 I'm going to do a thing to the public now.

01:55:52.020 I'm not here to tell you not to vote.

01:55:54.440 I'm here for this debate because I wanted to get the word out.

01:55:56.760 That's what the debate is, Mike.

01:55:57.120 I wanted to get this word out about this announcement we're making at this event.

01:56:01.460 Go to lindalevent.com because on August 17th, everything we're talking about and debating

01:56:07.280 here is going to go, it's not going to matter, Matt.

01:56:10.140 And I'm telling you that.

01:56:11.160 It's not going to matter.

01:56:12.500 There's going to be a new thing.

01:56:13.800 Here's what we all do and everyone will agree on it.

01:56:17.040 This isn't going to be, we'll come back here on August 18th on this show, if you want,

01:56:22.800 and you will say, yep, I apologize.

01:56:25.280 You know what?

01:56:25.740 But you don't have to apologize because you're just misconstrued.

01:56:28.920 You just don't know.

01:56:29.940 This conversation makes me think of a line from Scott Pressler that said, the thing

01:56:34.000 is, elections aren't won in one day because there's a lot of work that comes in the lead

01:56:38.140 up.

01:56:38.220 And I think you would agree with that.

01:56:39.240 Two and a half years.

01:56:40.020 Even if you wanted everyone to show up on one day to vote, you would agree that there

01:56:43.420 is months and months and months, years even, of work that go into it.

01:56:47.580 I'm curious to hear, Matt, how you feel time is best used in the next, you know, just

01:56:54.380 over a year, year and a half that we have.

01:56:56.840 What are the best things people should know about, in addition to early voting, that they

01:57:01.620 have at their disposal?

01:57:02.400 Because I think the fear that your vote is going to be somehow manipulated or lost is

01:57:07.600 unfortunately-

01:57:08.240 It's helping the Democrats and it's helping the left.

01:57:10.420 It's helping Democrats, but it is something, studies bear this out, people feel like they

01:57:14.280 lack confidence.

01:57:15.080 So where do we go from that?

01:57:16.240 What I'm doing is, look, I didn't come here to promote some conference.

01:57:19.040 I came here to debate him because he has been, it's dangerous what he's promoting.

01:57:23.560 It's harming our people.

01:57:24.840 It's harming our party.

01:57:25.660 It's hurting, it's hurting the candidates we need to succeed to save the country, to

01:57:29.320 have somebody go out and put their foot on probably the only thing that has ever united

01:57:33.140 the right.

01:57:34.280 The need to do early and absentee and violent harvesting where legal-

01:57:38.240 It's about as vided as you can get.

01:57:39.340 Look at Twitter when we talk about it on there.

01:57:41.240 He's lying.

01:57:41.960 All of these people.

01:57:43.040 It didn't unite the right.

01:57:44.120 To Mark Fincham, to even Matt DiPerno, all on the same side.

01:57:49.260 So one of the reasons you have to think about, you have to think about why there is hesitancy.

01:57:54.500 And the way I deal with it is by debating people who, you know, call military veterans

01:57:58.900 traitors to the country when they ask for evidence or call me a liar or question my pedigree,

01:58:03.180 my background.

01:58:03.640 You said that you're just united the country, ballot harvesting?

01:58:06.540 Except-

01:58:06.860 I got hundreds of millions of people out there that say-

01:58:09.080 Yes, hundreds of millions.

01:58:09.960 You're wrong.

01:58:10.280 Yes, hundreds of millions, Mike.

01:58:11.100 Let me just say this.

01:58:11.920 So no, no.

01:58:12.360 She asked me the question.

01:58:13.620 What?

01:58:13.760 She asked me the questions, what you can do.

01:58:16.040 Look, in Virginia this year, we have, through Lookahead America, a non-profit, non-partisan,

01:58:21.180 we're doing everything we can to get disaffected patriotic Americans of rural and blue-collar

01:58:25.480 backgrounds to vote, preferably vote early, preferably sign up for automatic absentee.

01:58:30.440 If you sign up at lookaheadamerica.org, we are going to give you 10 addresses of these

01:58:36.220 people in the state of Virginia, and we're going to ask you to send them a personal postcard

01:58:40.160 from your beautiful part of the country, encouraging them to sign up to get their early absentee

01:58:45.340 ballot, or to at least vote.

01:58:46.940 However they want to vote, just make sure they vote, and to encourage them to do that.

01:58:51.320 So again, a lot of people watching this, they cast their vote, maybe they give a few dollars,

01:58:54.760 but this is the chance they have to probably have the biggest impact on an election they

01:58:58.700 ever had, is to send 10 postcards to people who are not inclined to vote in Virginia this

01:59:02.640 year in 23, to get them to show up and vote and get their absentee ballot permanent

01:59:07.900 form filled out, or to show up in person at the election office, or even election day.

01:59:12.560 I have no objection to that, but to push these people.

01:59:14.460 So if you're asking for something people can do beyond just voting, this is the activity

01:59:18.320 that we can get them involved in.

01:59:19.940 It costs almost no money, and it's actually kind of fun to pick out a postcard.

01:59:23.580 I mean, I guess you were sending from Virginia.

01:59:26.200 From West Virginia.

01:59:27.000 Yeah.

01:59:27.200 So you signed a cool mountain mama, beautiful landscape, send that postcard.

01:59:31.760 And the thing is that we're going to send mail.

01:59:33.300 And a lot of times political mail goes in the trash, but postcards don't go in the trash

01:59:37.520 so quickly.

01:59:38.260 It's like, what?

01:59:38.880 This is a handwritten postcard?

01:59:40.440 You know what?

01:59:40.820 Maybe I should vote.

01:59:41.840 So that's what I'd encourage people to do.

01:59:43.540 And we'll be doing this program in 24, assuming we get the funding for it.

01:59:46.560 But right now we've just, all we've got is a quarter mil to spend in Virginia doing voter

01:59:49.640 turnout this year in 23.

01:59:51.220 And if we are able to do a good job of it and show that we do get our people to sign up

01:59:55.000 for early voting, to cast those absentee ballots, or in person, or election day, that

01:59:59.260 will prove that using a C3 to do this and using high pressure tactics work.

02:00:02.760 And hopefully we can get funding for statewide operations in 24, where so much more is at

02:00:07.060 stake.

02:00:07.620 Mike, same question.

02:00:08.620 In addition to your event, what do you think people need to be doing between now and November

02:00:12.780 to become active and to get involved in this election?

02:00:15.400 All you need to do is watch this event.

02:00:17.280 Right now, go to lindalevent.com and put your email in.

02:00:21.400 Get signed up.

02:00:22.500 Once you watch the plan, you're going to have a piece.

02:00:26.820 You can't allude to any of the details of the plan, right?

02:00:29.100 Of course you can't.

02:00:29.600 No, I will tell you.

02:00:30.360 He never does.

02:00:30.980 I told you why I can't, Matt.

02:00:32.880 But you know what?

02:00:33.500 I will tell you this, that I want everybody out there to have a piece about the next election,

02:00:39.040 not 2024, even the ones coming up, even your local election, school board election.

02:00:43.900 Once we announce this on August 17th, remember, it's never been talked about before, Matt,

02:00:48.800 never been done before in world history.

02:00:51.000 This is a divine plan, and everybody will embrace it.

02:00:53.900 I don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican, liberal.

02:00:55.960 Now, let me finish before you cut in.

02:00:57.740 So I tell everyone to have a piece, because what I told certain people, I said, I've talked

02:01:06.100 to them about this ballot harvesting nonsense, and they said, you know what?

02:01:10.240 At least you could quit talking about it until after August 17th.

02:01:13.740 If you know, I'll tell you what, after August 17th, Matt, you can sit here and you can tell

02:01:19.300 all the world all this nonsense, because you know what?

02:01:23.020 There's a piece, everybody keeps talking about something that's, what, year and a half away,

02:01:28.680 and to get out and do this ballot harvesting and do all this, we had enough people turn out.

02:01:32.800 I told the RNC, you know what I told them?

02:01:34.460 When I was there before the 168, I said, you guys won five elections in a row.

02:01:39.580 All this nonsense about, oh, you spend money, you need to campaign harder, you need to all

02:01:43.340 this stuff.

02:01:44.300 No, you already have.

02:01:45.400 Those people are already there.

02:01:47.680 Enough already voted.

02:01:49.260 They needed to fix their election platforms that they overlooked for five elections in a

02:01:54.240 row.

02:01:54.640 And I'm talking the Georgia runoff with the two senators and all that.

02:01:57.940 By the way, do you know I prayed that they would take both those senators in Georgia?

02:02:02.140 You know why?

02:02:03.280 On January 4th, I was in Georgia, and I got my knees and prayed, God, please.

02:02:07.500 I'm a marketer, and I'm going, what are they doing?

02:02:10.160 If I would have been the bad people, and I call it the uniparty global steep state, I

02:02:15.160 would have said, give them back a Republican so they shut up about this election.

02:02:19.300 Had they done that, everyone would have said, oh, we'll campaign harder in 2022, we'll get

02:02:24.360 them back.

02:02:25.120 But they took them both, because evil is greedy.

02:02:27.880 When they took them both, everybody knew where they were at, going, now what are we going

02:02:32.020 to do?

02:02:32.320 And you see our country's being destroyed.

02:02:35.300 But if I was their marketer, and when the administration came in in 2021, I would have

02:02:40.840 said, don't do anything stupid to ruin our country.

02:02:44.740 And they'll keep believing the socialism and just having a cup of coffee with your friend.

02:02:48.940 Instead, they shut down the pipeline.

02:02:51.820 They opened up our borders, fentanyl pouring in, killing our children, all these things

02:02:55.960 going on right now that are actually, the place we're in now, you need, I think you all

02:03:01.680 needed this.

02:03:02.160 This has all been in God's time.

02:03:03.280 You need this to happen.

02:03:04.660 So people get their eyes open going, you know what?

02:03:07.140 We are in, our country's being overtaken.

02:03:09.960 I agree.

02:03:11.000 I agree going, you know, do everything you can.

02:03:13.940 But you've got to do the things that are right.

02:03:16.540 You can't say, if your best day, and we have time, if your best day, we talked about at

02:03:22.380 the beginning of the show, in a perfect world election, which five other countries we named

02:03:26.820 earlier, same day voting, paper ballots, hand counted, precinct level, voter ID, and

02:03:32.360 if you can get to that, that would be the perfect thing.

02:03:34.920 Why would you, a year and a half early, start blabbing off about, we're going to do what

02:03:40.040 they do, we're going to do what they do, and give in on this.

02:03:43.040 We have fought, everyone I have, everyone in this country that has given up their jobs

02:03:47.980 and everything to fight for this perfect one-day voting and this situation, all that would have

02:03:54.660 been flushed down the toilet if we had this plan, because it would have been people like

02:03:59.460 Matheson, go ballot harvest, do as they do.

02:04:01.960 When we have fought in every state, right now, Osage County, a lot of people, a lot of places

02:04:06.860 in Missouri and California, we have over 200, 100 to 200 counties that are already going

02:04:12.860 to be right here in this slot, and we have a year and a half to get them to that slot,

02:04:17.000 but now with the plan, we can deal with the footprint we're in.

02:04:20.220 So I'm telling everybody, lindalevent.com, I put my money into stuff, tens of millions of

02:04:26.580 dollars, $60 million, I'm not trying to raise money for my charity to sit here and to, as

02:04:32.480 a thing, because a lot of people that are out there, ballot harvest, ballot harvest, and doing

02:04:36.500 stuff, that's how they're making their money for their charity.

02:04:39.120 I'm not asking for money, I'm asking you to watch the plan.

02:04:42.760 I put, in this event alone, $5 million of my money, I borrowed money to do this.

02:04:47.860 This plan needs to be heard.

02:04:49.520 Then you can come back here, Matt, and all the people you think out there that Mike Lindell

02:04:53.400 is a conspiracy theory.

02:04:55.000 You know what?

02:04:55.680 Before this, I'm in full disclosure what I was.

02:04:58.060 I was an ex-crack addict, an ex-addict, and I said, when God set me free of that, I wanted

02:05:03.820 everyone in this country to get out of addiction, get to Jesus, and one of the things going on

02:05:10.260 right now, we're in the greatest revival for Jesus Christ in history, because you don't

02:05:14.000 look to God when things are going good, it's usually when things are going pretty bad.

02:05:18.220 But I'm here to tell you, when I was on that Rose Garden stage and I said, we pray for

02:05:22.720 grace, God gave us grace for such a time as this, and people say, Mike, this doesn't

02:05:26.680 feel like grace.

02:05:27.800 It is grace, because it's open eyes to people.

02:05:30.800 When we get through this, we're going to get to this beautiful place we're going to

02:05:34.340 get to, and we're going to look back, and everything had to happen just the way it did,

02:05:38.400 including this debate, because what is this debate doing?

02:05:41.180 Only one thing, getting the word out to watch that event on August 16th and 17th.

02:05:47.860 You watch it.

02:05:48.780 I'm not asking for money.

02:05:50.280 I'm asking you to watch it.

02:05:51.700 I'm watching the world to watch it, because if enough watch it, then we don't have to worry

02:05:56.940 about the media attacking the plan or going, because everybody hears about it, they're

02:06:01.520 going to go, why would we not do this?

02:06:02.860 I'm going to give Matt a chance to comment here.

02:06:04.200 So we kind of have these two worlds here.

02:06:06.260 We have this cartoon world, where somebody who woke up two and a half years ago is now

02:06:10.440 the nation's foremost experts on how machines are hacking the elections and is completely

02:06:14.620 unsecure, despite not presenting any evidence.

02:06:17.660 And then you have the real world, where I live.

02:06:20.220 Why do you say not presenting any evidence?

02:06:21.960 With all these elected officials, these leaders in the movement, leaders in the party, people

02:06:27.880 who've won elections, people who've been on the front lines.

02:06:30.120 I actually, going all the way back to the year 2000, I was at the RNC where we were fighting

02:06:34.700 in Florida after the election, because it was also very close, and trying to identify

02:06:38.480 illegal ballots, trying to secure that.

02:06:40.480 So I've been at this for an incredibly long time.

02:06:42.980 But I think there's a bigger problem in our party right now, too, that I think we're learning

02:06:48.120 about a little bit here, is that he made a couple of points about, you know, he's spending

02:06:52.560 millions of his own dollars, right?

02:06:53.840 And I'm not personally wealthy.

02:06:55.040 I actually take a salary from Look Ahead America.

02:06:56.940 It's on this 990 form.

02:06:58.580 My salary is about $55,000 a year, and that's fine.

02:07:02.400 And if I got every dollar we get more that we raise, then that means I can hire more field

02:07:06.360 organizers to go to doors in Virginia, right?

02:07:08.320 So look, it's definitely not a moneymaker for me.

02:07:10.640 But it reminds me of, I took a trip to the middle of the country to visit a major dollar

02:07:15.760 donor, okay?

02:07:17.040 And this was a well-known major dollar donor.

02:07:19.260 And there were many other elected officials there who were trying to raise money from him.

02:07:22.780 I was there with a client who was trying to get a contribution from him.

02:07:25.980 And what was interesting is that this donor had a fixation on an issue, right?

02:07:31.700 And his issue was that the public needs to understand.

02:07:35.800 We need Tucker Carlson to do a segment on the fact that we're a republic, not a democracy,

02:07:40.420 okay?

02:07:41.300 And while most people in that room, the elected officials on the stump, et cetera, they never

02:07:45.680 talk about that issue.

02:07:46.600 It's a million.

02:07:47.180 Now, he's right.

02:07:47.840 I agree with him completely, right?

02:07:49.020 I agree with the principle behind it.

02:07:50.660 But that's where his fixation was.

02:07:52.140 It wasn't on any of the urgent things, but that was what his fixation was.

02:07:55.120 And because he was the guy that controlled the purse and the money, everybody in the room,

02:07:59.400 suddenly they were all enthusiasts for that argument.

02:08:01.900 Enthusiasts for, yeah, we should teach that in the schools.

02:08:03.500 Yeah, I'll talk to Tucker's producer.

02:08:05.060 We'll get it on.

02:08:05.540 All these kinds of things.

02:08:06.860 Why?

02:08:07.500 Because they need to satisfy the donor's interest.

02:08:11.260 So here we have a case where somebody who I don't think would be taken seriously,

02:08:14.900 but anywhere else in the country would be just some guy on the bar stool dismissed as a

02:08:18.640 lunatic, has all this attention.

02:08:20.940 Why?

02:08:21.500 Because he's the ability to write million-dollar checks.

02:08:23.460 And suddenly that perverts all the attention people pay attention to him because he has

02:08:27.460 this ability to fund it.

02:08:28.500 Like he says, look, I want to pay two million-

02:08:30.440 Million-dollar checks to getting sued.

02:08:31.560 I want to find millions of, I want to pay like millions of dollar bounty to discover,

02:08:35.980 you know, a packet capture of Chinese computers hacking elections, right?

02:08:39.480 So obviously somebody wants that money, so they show up and they present evidence, which

02:08:44.040 is completely fake, but he believes it.

02:08:45.680 And he does a cyber symposium presenting it.

02:08:47.640 Or somebody else wants to get paid, so they come up with this thing of, you know, vote

02:08:50.640 swapping all over the country.

02:08:52.340 Of course, we can't have the evidence.

02:08:53.260 So you're saying I'm just stupid.

02:08:54.060 So what I'm getting at here, what I'm getting at here is that ordinarily, the guy, the original

02:08:58.720 donor who was like, had a hard-on for a, we're a Republican, not a democracy, I don't mind

02:09:03.620 him.

02:09:03.960 That's just cool.

02:09:04.460 The problem is that the direction that Lindell has been leading people is destructive.

02:09:09.580 It's destructive to our objectives.

02:09:11.720 It's destructive to our agenda.

02:09:12.940 I wish we had a counterpart like him on the other side telling their people that, you know,

02:09:16.900 it's all rigged.

02:09:17.540 The machines are going to steal your votes.

02:09:18.760 The chain of custody is used this way.

02:09:20.180 You can't vote in the easiest way possible.

02:09:22.260 You must vote in the most difficult possible way on election day by driving to the polling

02:09:26.240 place.

02:09:26.640 I wish we had somebody like him on the other side, but this is what we're stuck with.

02:09:30.040 So look, I'm asking you people, stay out of cartoon world.

02:09:33.060 Come with me in the real world.

02:09:34.460 Come with me with President Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Scott Pressler and Mark

02:09:39.120 Fincham and even Matt DiPerno and join us in this effort to get more of our people to

02:09:45.360 who would otherwise not vote to cast that early ballot, to sign up for absentee ballot, to

02:09:49.740 harvest their ballot where it's legal.

02:09:51.720 Join us.

02:09:52.580 Join us in the world world and stay out of cartoon world.

02:09:55.660 Gentlemen, I want to thank you both for coming out today.

02:09:57.180 We actually have to wrap up.

02:09:59.100 This has been a really interesting debate and I'm so glad that we have two passionate people

02:10:02.780 willing to hash out these issues.

02:10:05.100 It's never fun to be in the middle of the debate.

02:10:09.060 But again, I commend you both for coming here and rising to the occasion.

02:10:12.900 So if you guys just want to both let people know where they can find you and see your work,

02:10:17.420 just the last two minutes here.

02:10:18.920 Matt, why don't you go first?

02:10:19.580 Hey, first, I want to thank Julie and Ian for all the work we did preparing for this and

02:10:24.200 for getting out the live tweets.

02:10:25.880 I would also ask people to sign up at lookaheadamerica.org.

02:10:29.360 We'll keep you updated on all of our things we're doing.

02:10:31.260 We train community organizers.

02:10:32.700 We do, I think we have one coming up at the end of the month.

02:10:35.060 We've got a lot of opportunities to just get you involved that don't cost any money other

02:10:38.740 than 10 postcards, right?

02:10:40.660 Not that expensive.

02:10:42.000 And I would also encourage you to join our Gilded server since Discord shut us down.

02:10:45.620 So that's gilded.gg slash lookaheadamerica.

02:10:49.460 If you want a cool gaming community, cooking community, et cetera.

02:10:53.320 I promised Ian I would plug that today.

02:10:55.400 So again, and also thank you, Hannah.

02:10:57.140 This could not have been easy.

02:10:58.480 You did a fantastic job.

02:11:00.200 I'm no Tim Pool.

02:11:00.940 I don't know what to say.

02:11:01.940 Oh, we just need a beanie.

02:11:03.620 That's true.

02:11:04.720 Mike, can you let us know where to find you?

02:11:06.840 I'm just here for one reason.

02:11:09.840 And that is so that you all go to lindalevent.com.

02:11:13.520 I'm not asked for money.

02:11:14.540 This event's going to cost me probably $3 million.

02:11:17.420 I want you all to watch the plan that's going to secure our elections.

02:11:22.400 And one day, it's never been thought of before, never been done before in world history.

02:11:26.640 And all this stuff here, don't worry about it.

02:11:28.980 Because come August 17th, we will all say, wow, this is beautiful.

02:11:33.760 And we will all have hope.

02:11:35.400 Whether you're a Democrat or Republican, I do.

02:11:37.720 The things I've done too, I look for the Democrats like that lady that got zero votes

02:11:41.460 in her own precinct down in Georgia.

02:11:43.080 America, we've been here.

02:11:44.300 This stuff has been, we have to save our country.

02:11:47.460 And I agree with Matt only on one thing.

02:11:50.780 People should be involved.

02:11:52.280 People should be involved.

02:11:53.480 We should do everything we can to fix our election platforms.

02:11:57.600 This isn't about winning or losing.

02:11:59.860 We fix our election platforms.

02:12:02.100 And I'm happy with anyone.

02:12:04.060 I'm okay with anyone that legitimately wins.

02:12:07.480 And until we fix those platforms, you can't be doing nonsense that helps the cheat or helps

02:12:15.240 the steal.

02:12:16.360 And so after this event, you watch this.

02:12:18.800 And I think, well, I know we're all going to be in agreement.

02:12:22.240 Countries around the world will be watching.

02:12:23.940 People around the world.

02:12:24.860 And I would really like to come back here after that because you're going to have a piece

02:12:29.820 and you're going to say, and Matt will say, you know what?

02:12:34.020 Great idea.

02:12:34.900 Perfect.

02:12:35.340 Let's save our country.

02:12:36.660 Well, I'm so glad we could be here.

02:12:39.360 I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlaw.

02:12:40.520 I'm a writer for TimCast.com.

02:12:42.120 I'm so thankful to all of you guys for joining us and letting me moderate this lively debate

02:12:48.000 Friday morning.

02:12:49.280 I'm really grateful to be a part of this culture war.

02:12:52.000 And I'm especially grateful for Tim, who's away sick right now or getting some treatments

02:12:56.340 done, for letting me fill in for him.

02:12:58.940 Again, we're all grateful that you tuned in.

02:13:01.080 You can follow me on Twitter at HC Brimlaw.

02:13:02.880 And of course, follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.

02:13:06.340 And join us tonight for TimCast IRL at 8 o'clock.

02:13:09.480 Thank you guys so much.

02:13:10.380 Thank both of you.

02:13:18.740 Thank you.

02:13:48.740 We'll be right back.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - July 21, 2023

The Culture War #22 - Should The US Permit Early Voting？ w⧸ Mike Lindell and Matt Braynard

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