The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #23 - Legalizing Sex Work, Is Porn Bad For Society w⧸Debra Lea & Delta Hill

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00:00:31.480 There's a big debate over sex work that's been going on on Twitter for quite some time,

00:00:34.860 and I guess it's been going on for a very, very long time. The question of whether or not sex work

00:00:39.040 is actually work, whether it's comparable to any other job, whether or not it should be legal.

00:00:43.700 There's a whole lot of other things in this area, particularly with OnlyFans. You've got stories

00:00:48.740 of many women quitting their professions to just become what they would describe as OnlyFans models,

00:00:53.280 and you also have the massive expansion of porn, and you have many prominent figures talking about

00:00:59.440 men getting away from porn addiction. So boy, we got a whole lot to talk about in this episode

00:01:03.860 of The Culture War, and we've got a couple people joining us to talk to us about it. Do you want

00:01:06.720 to introduce yourself?

00:01:07.680 Hi, everybody. My name is Debra Lea. Thanks for having me, Tim.

00:01:10.340 Who are you? What do you do?

00:01:11.200 I am from New York City. I'm a conservative social media influencer. I go on the news to give

00:01:15.400 political commentary, and I've been involved in the conservative online culture war for the past

00:01:20.100 four years now. And simply put, you do not think that sex work is work?

00:01:24.280 I think that prostitution should remain illegal, and that it should not be decriminalized,

00:01:28.540 and we should not encourage women to get into this line of work.

00:01:31.300 All right. We also have?

00:01:33.080 Delta Hill, also known as Molly Smash, so definitely smash that like button while you're at that.

00:01:38.640 That's right. You want to pull the mic up?

00:01:42.320 Here we go. I am a best-selling author. My first book was Sexual Liberty, Memoirs of a Sex

00:01:49.200 Worker's Fight for Freedom, and an Anthropologist.

00:01:52.660 And your position, of course, is?

00:01:54.820 Full decriminalization.

00:01:56.240 Full decriminalization. So let's just start right away, then. Why decriminalize sex? Well,

00:02:02.420 first, how do you define sex work? What does it specifically refer to?

00:02:06.060 It's anybody who decides to sell their services and labor, this being sex, obviously, in exchange

00:02:15.340 for monetary gain or goods of equal value. So, of course, it is work. I don't think that

00:02:21.460 it's the debate of it being work, because it definitely is the oldest profession. I think

00:02:26.540 that the debate now is, why should we decriminalize, and what will it do to make both women and men

00:02:35.580 safer in the industry and victims as well?

00:02:38.960 So, just first off, I would have to disagree that it's the oldest profession. I feel like

00:02:44.640 that would be a shepherd. You know, biblical characters were shepherds. They were selling

00:02:48.280 the sheeps. That was hurting the sheeps. That was kind of the oldest profession, because the Bible

00:02:52.320 is our oldest historical document. But I agree with you that it's not necessarily a debate about

00:02:57.560 whether it's work or not. It's definitely a debate about, should this be allowed in society?

00:03:01.280 Should our government, how should they legislate certain things like this? Does the government

00:03:05.440 have a hand in morality? And I would absolutely say that laws are morality, in a sense, where

00:03:10.220 the government does have a huge hand in protecting the vulnerable, protecting the weakest members

00:03:14.840 of society from evils, like prostitution, like sex trafficking. And a lot of these women, there's

00:03:20.720 this lie that the majority of prostitutes are at will, and that they're doing it like OnlyFans.

00:03:24.640 But 1%, according to data from the Nordic model now, only 1% of all women in prostitution

00:03:29.960 are at will, which means 99% of prostitutes are forced into it by their pimps. So I don't

00:03:35.620 think that it should, I think we should do everything we can to end this industry and

00:03:39.620 to get women into safer lines of work and to stop men's demand for sex because they don't

00:03:44.360 have a right to other people's sexual organs.

00:03:47.000 I'm not so, you both said that it's work. I'm not so convinced in a certain context that

00:03:52.320 it is, because it's clearly distinct from what we describe as work.

00:03:55.480 Yeah. And even the fact that it is illegal today, in many contexts, I think, is it legal

00:04:01.340 in Nevada? I don't know.

00:04:02.620 It is. It's legalized in Nevada and Chicago. They have the Nordic model.

00:04:07.520 They have specific laws about it, though. In Nevada, it's only in towns that have residents

00:04:11.860 and less than 400,000 members, and it's only within brothels. So you can't be on the street

00:04:16.460 prostituting yourself.

00:04:17.460 Yeah. So basically, survival sex workers are still fined and left with, you know, no

00:04:24.420 option if they can't get into the brothels.

00:04:27.340 They sort of work around it, I guess, because when you're in Vegas, you'll, like, come back

00:04:31.860 to your hotel room, and they push these cards under your door or whatever, and it's just

00:04:35.800 like a bunch of scantily clad women on cards, and you're supposed to be like, ooh, which one

00:04:38.660 will I pick or whatever?

00:04:39.440 Right.

00:04:39.620 And then, of course, they're doing, like, room calls and stuff. So I think everybody

00:04:44.280 in Vegas knows it's illegal to do, but they all do it anyway.

00:04:48.200 Right.

00:04:48.480 But I guess my view is, and just to, we'll kick it off, because I tweeted about this,

00:04:53.760 and I guess mostly sex positive, like pro-sex work leftists got really mad at me, because

00:05:00.460 I was seeing a lot of people say sex work is work, and so what I said was something

00:05:04.260 like, if sex work was work, then a boss could require a female secretary to provide blowjob

00:05:09.600 as part of her job. That if it was the same thing as anything else, that if we were really

00:05:15.020 just like, you know, you can hire a janitor, you can hire a sex worker, what's the difference?

00:05:19.780 It's all work. Then a boss could create a job description and say, I need someone to do

00:05:24.780 my laundry.

00:05:25.120 Well, yeah, if it is in the job description, I absolutely do agree that, yeah.

00:05:29.180 They could do that.

00:05:29.660 If that was part of their job, and they agreed to it, and it was in their job description,

00:05:34.040 they have consented to it.

00:05:35.960 Right.

00:05:36.460 That is sex work.

00:05:37.740 That is sex work.

00:05:37.760 Do you think an employer?

00:05:39.180 Absolutely. I think men and women, both, because actually half of my, well, not anymore because

00:05:44.220 I'm retired, but half of my clients were women, so it is not just men.

00:05:48.120 But a man in a position, I think within what you're saying, so I would disagree that it

00:05:51.600 was work. I was just agreeing that the conversation right now is not necessarily, is it work or

00:05:55.720 not? But to speak on that point, I think it's work in the same way hiring a hitman is work,

00:06:01.200 where you can hire anybody for a job.

00:06:04.320 I definitely don't think a victimless situation is comparable to murdering.

00:06:08.780 I don't think prostitution is victimless at all. I think every single woman who involves

00:06:12.580 themselves in prostitution is harmed, whether they want to admit it or not, psychologically,

00:06:16.340 physically, mentally, emotionally.

00:06:17.520 Well, I mean, we could agree that with any job, you're definitely subject to some sort

00:06:24.000 of mental and physical, you know.

00:06:26.680 I would disagree. I have a job. I love it. I've been working in a political space.

00:06:30.080 I mean, I do too, though. I've been working in sex work for 10 years, and I've also been

00:06:34.060 studying it for 10 years, and I'm doing pretty good myself.

00:06:37.760 Well, I'm not at risk to be violently attacked by a man in my line of work.

00:06:41.360 Absolutely. And this is the argument.

00:06:42.860 But real quick, what if you worked at a nightclub?

00:06:45.360 At a nightclub? Well, I personally would never because I think it's very important for women.

00:06:49.440 I was raised like this. I think it's extremely important for women to go out of their way to

00:06:53.280 protect themselves and keep an eye out for their safety. I spoke about Brian with this on the way

00:06:57.200 here that I, in college, I went to University of Maryland just nearby. I would never be alone in

00:07:02.320 a room with a man that I don't know. I would never go on a date with somebody that I had never

00:07:05.480 met and just meet up with them. There are so many ways that women can just be attacked,

00:07:09.240 trafficked, hurt. And so I take extra precaution to make sure that I'm never putting myself in a

00:07:13.760 position to be hurt. And I think prostitution actively puts a woman in the position to be

00:07:18.440 taken advantage of, to be hurt in a way that jobs, professional jobs do not. They have protections.

00:07:24.060 I definitely don't disagree with you. So I want to make it clear that I absolutely do not encourage

00:07:29.180 anybody under any circumstances to get into this industry right now because it is unsafe.

00:07:36.360 And at least until it is decriminalized, let's put it this way, at least until it is decriminalized,

00:07:42.040 because that's where we start. When New Zealand decriminalized, and this is the gold standard,

00:07:46.400 when New Zealand decriminalized sex work, this led to a immediate decrease in the amount of people

00:07:52.220 partaking in consensual sex work. So even from a moral standpoint, if you want less people

00:07:58.640 partaking in sex work, decriminalization is the only option. Legalization leads to more human

00:08:06.040 trafficking. So it's obviously off the table.

00:08:09.240 So I wanted to go back to that point I was making about a boss having a job requirement.

00:08:12.420 You said if they consent to it, it's totally fine. Here's the question I have. Do men and women,

00:08:19.600 and I think the trope is predominantly women, sleep with their male bosses in exchange for promotions?

00:08:25.080 Yeah.

00:08:25.940 They do?

00:08:26.380 That happens anyways.

00:08:27.440 Has that ever happened?

00:08:28.520 There's no law on the books that will stop that. Government cannot legislate morality. It is not

00:08:34.840 going to happen.

00:08:35.880 But it is taboo.

00:08:36.700 Quid pro quo.

00:08:37.220 Right. And it should be. Quid pro quo should be. Like any sort of exploitation or coercion should be.

00:08:43.660 It should be.

00:08:44.680 Right.

00:08:45.060 Should be what?

00:08:46.180 And it is.

00:08:46.980 Should be what?

00:08:47.820 Not a lot, right.

00:08:48.380 It should be frowned upon to, of course, exploit in any way, shape, or form. If somebody agrees

00:08:56.560 to it as a consenting adult.

00:08:58.380 Well, but these are.

00:08:59.480 Of course, I also believe that it should be 21 and up to get into any form of sex work.

00:09:03.020 No, but if there's a female employee at a company and she does want to have sex with

00:09:09.860 her boss and it does result in beneficial treatment and promotions.

00:09:15.740 Then it's not sex work.

00:09:17.400 I didn't say it was.

00:09:18.220 I'm just, I'm asking about this.

00:09:19.720 You know, the first question is, do men and women sleep with their bosses for benefits?

00:09:25.240 It does tend to be women, stereotypically, I suppose.

00:09:29.020 The answer is yes, they do.

00:09:30.600 People will sleep with their bosses in exchange for benefits and promotion.

00:09:34.520 A lot of the time it is consensual.

00:09:36.420 The woman says like, you know, I'm going to, you know, this guy, I like my boss, you

00:09:41.300 know, whatever.

00:09:41.720 And then it results in beneficial treatment.

00:09:43.700 So the question that I have, and there's a reason why I don't, I don't think sex work

00:09:47.800 is, uh, it's, it's clearly an act carried out in between two consenting adults.

00:09:54.440 I should say it could be, uh, in many contexts, two consenting adults say, Hey, we're going

00:09:58.860 to, we're going to hook up.

00:09:59.620 We're going to exchange money.

00:10:00.800 And then they do their thing.

00:10:02.480 They go about their separate ways.

00:10:03.720 I don't, I don't see why that it's kind of shocking to me that that's illegal in the

00:10:07.960 sense that if a dude, what, if a dude in a car pulled up to a woman and said, would

00:10:12.460 you like to be my girlfriend?

00:10:13.520 I'll take you out to dinner and give you an allowance to buy whatever you wanted.

00:10:16.300 And she said, sure.

00:10:17.340 And then they had sex.

00:10:18.580 That's that the, the, the, the difference between sex work is whether or not you decided

00:10:22.580 it was a date or whether or not it was an exchange.

00:10:24.920 So, but we'll come back to that.

00:10:26.200 Here's my point.

00:10:26.700 So I believe that if we legalized sex work to the extent that it was treated like any

00:10:35.340 other job.

00:10:36.280 So a boss could say, I'm hiring a secretary.

00:10:38.980 I need my, my mail retrieved.

00:10:41.400 I'm going to need phone calls answered, and I'm going to need sex X performed on me.

00:10:45.280 If that was allowed, then you are going to have, you will have, there may be a social stigma

00:10:51.800 at first, but market competition will dictate that for women, guys are going to be demanding

00:10:56.420 it.

00:10:57.000 And that you have to provide that because if in a world, if that were, well, you don't

00:11:00.840 have to, but if you don't, you'll, you'll, you'll get fired and find another job.

00:11:04.700 You won't get hired at all.

00:11:06.100 You won't get hired because some other girl, if you're saying I'm unwilling to do that,

00:11:08.880 it's very easy for the boss to just say, okay, I'll find somebody who will.

00:11:11.520 Yep.

00:11:11.780 Right.

00:11:11.980 And then it's very easy for that employee to go to somebody who doesn't demand it.

00:11:14.920 But I just, I, I, if men are allowed to demand it, I think that if you're allowed to get

00:11:20.420 away with bad things, more people try to, I think that's just the way human nature is

00:11:23.640 human people, humans are not designed good by default.

00:11:26.900 God designed us not to be good by default because you have to actively choose good, to

00:11:30.340 be a good person and get rewarded for the afterlife.

00:11:32.560 So I think human nature defaults to wanting what's bad for us.

00:11:36.660 Essentially.

00:11:37.800 I don't think it's a want.

00:11:39.280 I think it's a need.

00:11:40.480 That's what survival sex work is.

00:11:41.960 When it comes down to it, most people that are partaking in it are survival sex workers.

00:11:46.200 So we can't forget about the fact that when you're in a position where you're starving,

00:11:49.780 and you're living in poverty, and this is an option for you, very little people will

00:11:55.660 say, I am not willing to do this.

00:11:57.420 And I'm not willing to feed myself and keep myself alive because God told me no.

00:12:02.740 Like when it comes down to it, men too.

00:12:05.120 I mean, the men in the power position, I'm saying asking for, if a man was allowed to

00:12:09.740 ask for a secretary who performed sex acts, I think human nature would cause almost all

00:12:13.740 men in the position, barring a few good ones, to ask for that.

00:12:16.680 It'd be a cultural norm.

00:12:17.500 I mean, this is an illegalized situation, and that's not at all what I support.

00:12:22.780 I don't support it to be legalized because, of course, like I said earlier, the human

00:12:29.280 trafficking has already been proven to increase in Germany.

00:12:33.360 When it is legalized?

00:12:34.760 Yes.

00:12:35.220 When it is legalized.

00:12:36.120 So that's why I support full decriminalization.

00:12:38.640 And like you were saying...

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00:12:42.400 What's the difference between decriminalization and legalization?

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00:13:54.020 In regulations, there's no over-policing.

00:14:00.160 So basically if a sex worker is in a position where she is abused or exploited,

00:14:05.020 she could feel comfortable to call the police and not fear arrest.

00:14:11.860 What's legalization then?

00:14:13.100 A legalization is you have to work under, you know, you have to work in a brothel.

00:14:19.060 Oh, like regulation.

00:14:20.040 Right.

00:14:20.300 There's complete over-regulation.

00:14:22.840 Cops are still going out of their way to, like, if they find somebody who's working as

00:14:29.080 a survival sex worker, they'll say, I will offer you this, that, or the other, some sort

00:14:33.560 of bribe or coercion and, like, basically rape them in exchange for lesser charges, you know,

00:14:42.360 if they find them with drugs or say, like, I'm not going to fine you this much.

00:14:46.280 So.

00:14:46.440 So you're saying that.

00:14:48.740 Yeah.

00:14:50.060 Companies.

00:14:50.860 Like, victims will still exist, obviously.

00:14:52.680 Like, so there will still be this, you cannot make requests for sex acts in public settings.

00:14:58.760 Right, like, everything will still, like, everything not victimless will still be illegal.

00:15:03.020 Like, in decriminalization, anything regarding minors will still be illegal.

00:15:07.680 Force, fraud, coercion will still be illegal.

00:15:10.860 Trafficking is still illegal.

00:15:12.220 What about a boss asking an employee?

00:15:13.780 Um, quid pro quo, illegal.

00:15:17.720 But that's what jobs are.

00:15:19.600 Like, hey.

00:15:19.860 I mean, unless it was on the job script.

00:15:21.360 Well, here's the thing.

00:15:22.000 It's like, it wouldn't be considered, um, well, that's the thing.

00:15:26.600 It's like, it varies.

00:15:27.560 We, we could have brothels in this, in this scenario.

00:15:30.420 We could have, it depends on how they legislate it.

00:15:33.260 So with over legislation, sure, that, that absolutely could happen.

00:15:36.980 And that's definitely something we could talk about.

00:15:39.380 But in New Zealand, I have not heard of any scenario regarding this.

00:15:44.900 So I, I like, don't feel like.

00:15:48.060 Because it's, it's not really treated the same way as work.

00:15:51.620 It's something else.

00:15:52.960 I will say, I don't think every single guy would do it.

00:15:55.820 Many men are married.

00:15:57.040 Like, a lot of guys are married.

00:15:58.560 And they're not going to be like, hey, honey, my secretary is coming in to give me, you know,

00:16:01.740 like, that's not going to happen.

00:16:02.460 She's going to be like, what?

00:16:03.240 You can't do that.

00:16:04.040 You know, the relationship would fall apart.

00:16:05.580 Maybe.

00:16:06.120 But I do think that, you know, marriage is an institution that is in decay, to shout out

00:16:12.240 sublime and 40 ounces of freedom.

00:16:14.080 And with that being the case, it may start going in that direction.

00:16:18.040 When you were talking about survival sex workers, the only thing I could think of, like,

00:16:20.860 man, if, if we were in a society where that we had socially enforced monogamy, the way

00:16:25.700 that Jordan Peterson describes it, you wouldn't have, you wouldn't have that.

00:16:29.760 It's a societal problem.

00:16:30.860 It's a cultural problem.

00:16:31.860 It's not a government problem.

00:16:33.400 Like, absolutely.

00:16:34.280 Like, government is not going to fix this.

00:16:36.220 They can fix this by, by, by decriminalizing it, but they're not going to fix it.

00:16:40.000 Ultimately, we as, as a society need to fix this.

00:16:42.760 So when it was decriminalized, less people were partaking in the industry, meaning they were

00:16:48.420 getting out of poverty.

00:16:49.220 So it's a win-win for everybody.

00:16:51.280 If you want less people working in the industry, decriminalization.

00:16:53.980 If you want less people being trafficked and exploited and being raped by police officers,

00:16:58.580 decriminalization, not the Nordic model, not legalization.

00:17:02.280 So, I mean, everybody wins.

00:17:05.340 So what is it between regulation and decriminalization that makes less women do this?

00:17:11.480 Is it because when it's regulated, women will get coerced into this, like, regulated establishment

00:17:16.740 sex work machine?

00:17:18.300 And if it's totally decriminalized.

00:17:19.360 Because not everybody wants to work for somebody.

00:17:21.440 And they don't feel comfortable working for somebody.

00:17:23.640 So I don't.

00:17:25.060 I know that I definitely don't want, I don't want a madam or a boss or somebody over me.

00:17:29.920 I have a gun, allegedly.

00:17:32.560 In Matrix.

00:17:33.560 Or not Matrix.

00:17:34.400 In Minecraft.

00:17:35.560 You know, I have a way to protect it.

00:17:37.000 You're allowed to have guns.

00:17:37.580 We're Second Amendment.

00:17:38.140 This is Maryland.

00:17:39.160 I live in New York.

00:17:39.740 So, you know, I have ways of protecting myself.

00:17:44.200 You know, if somebody wants to come after me when I'm at work, they'll get jumped by

00:17:47.460 eight of my cousins.

00:17:48.440 You know what I mean?

00:17:49.120 Like, I'm good.

00:17:51.540 But not everybody is that privileged.

00:17:53.300 So if they don't feel like they have a way to protect themselves, which I always encourage

00:17:59.860 sex workers to arm themselves, then maybe they do feel comfortable working in a brothel.

00:18:04.620 And I feel like, even though I don't agree with that, and I feel like that's, like, an

00:18:07.880 exaggerated pimp, that should still be an option.

00:18:11.460 Just, you know, like, let's say I agree with owning a 10-round mag, but my neighbor owns

00:18:17.880 a 30-round mag, and they're just a little bit kinkier than I am.

00:18:22.240 You know what I mean?

00:18:22.780 Like, I'm not going to call some, you know, the ATF and, you know, tell the red flag laws

00:18:28.920 and say, well, my neighbor's a little bit kinkier than I am.

00:18:31.720 They have a little bit more, you know, in their mags than I do.

00:18:34.520 So get rid of them.

00:18:35.900 Like, it's just not fair.

00:18:37.700 So I think it's important to know specifically about what you're talking about, being self-employed,

00:18:41.840 that only 1% of all prostitutes within the industry are self-employed, according to Nordic

00:18:47.320 model now, 99% of prostitutes or people within the sex work industry are controlled by pimps.

00:18:53.020 So it's really important.

00:18:54.920 That statistic blew everything open for me because it's very hard to say that this would

00:18:59.520 benefit the majority of people in the movement, movement, trade, I guess you could say.

00:19:04.200 I don't really have a great word for it, but not, the majority of people are not like you

00:19:08.640 that can leave at any time.

00:19:09.860 The majority of people, 99% of people, are forced into it.

00:19:13.200 They cannot leave on their own will.

00:19:14.420 They are controlled by pimps, and they are essentially being trafficked.

00:19:17.320 Even if they were, I can imagine that a few women consensually joined at first where they

00:19:22.060 had their backs up against the wall.

00:19:23.240 They had, they didn't have any other way to put food on the table for their children.

00:19:26.620 I personally think there's always another way, but I can imagine the situation that they

00:19:29.620 were in where they may have consented to it at first, and then they just get stuck in

00:19:33.420 it and a pimp takes over.

00:19:34.460 They want to share their profit.

00:19:35.840 I don't think it's this idea where women are just sexually liberated and free.

00:19:39.340 I think it's what it's always been, which is men abusing women.

00:19:42.700 So, yeah, I'm definitely thinking that there is nothing empowering about this job, and there

00:19:48.320 shouldn't be anything empowering about this job for it to be a legitimate job.

00:19:52.040 Like, there is, like, I hear what you're saying, and I understand it, but when, if you truly

00:19:59.980 believe that statistic, which I don't, because there's so many unbiased, or I'm sorry, there

00:20:04.900 are so many biased statistics about sex work, and I can get into that later on.

00:20:10.100 But if you truly believe this, where's the empathy?

00:20:13.680 Where is the empathy for these women?

00:20:15.020 If we truly believe that they're all victims, or 99% of them are victims, where's the empathy

00:20:19.820 for them?

00:20:20.540 The empathy is not legalizing it and holding their pimps.

00:20:23.720 The empathy is decriminalizing it because it makes it safer for them, so they're not

00:20:27.360 being harassed.

00:20:27.800 How would it make it safer for them?

00:20:29.300 Decriminalizing prostitution would just take away all laws regarding to prostitution, which

00:20:33.640 would essentially be a de facto win for the pimp sector, because now the government would

00:20:38.620 not go after them.

00:20:39.440 They can go after women.

00:20:40.780 The most common age of entry for prostitution was 16 years old, with most women starting

00:20:44.400 as young as 11.

00:20:45.680 Those are the women I'm trying to protect.

00:20:46.260 Minors cannot be prostitutes.

00:20:47.380 Those are victims.

00:20:49.180 Everyone's a victim who's a prostitute.

00:20:50.940 Minors cannot be victims.

00:20:52.640 Minors cannot be sex trafficking and prostitutes.

00:20:54.660 Minors cannot be prostitutes.

00:20:56.220 They're victims.

00:20:57.420 That is another...

00:20:58.060 That is...

00:20:58.680 You can be pimped out and a victim.

00:21:00.220 Two things can be true at once.

00:21:01.700 I think it was decriminalized.

00:21:03.340 I mean, right now, if the police find a woman, you know, at a hotel or whatever, they can

00:21:10.420 intervene under the law, remove that woman from the situation.

00:21:13.360 If it was decriminalized, the pimp could literally be standing outside and be like, morning, officer.

00:21:17.080 But who's a pimp?

00:21:17.420 That's right.

00:21:17.900 Here's the problem.

00:21:19.300 Who is the pimp?

00:21:20.040 Right now, somebody that I grew up with just got arrested for the third time as a victim

00:21:26.500 of trafficking for the third time.

00:21:30.480 The traffickers, one of them was a woman who is apparently working as a sex worker, right?

00:21:36.880 Apparently.

00:21:38.160 In Idaho, if a sex worker pays their landlord rent money and the landlord knows that it comes

00:21:45.720 from sex work, they can be charged as a trafficker.

00:21:49.380 So what is a trafficker under the law right now, currently?

00:21:53.980 Well, yeah.

00:21:55.100 Clarify the law.

00:21:56.020 Clarify the law.

00:21:56.800 The law needs to be clarified.

00:21:58.600 Decriminalizing it makes it...

00:22:00.680 I don't know, at least in this context, based on what we're talking about, decriminalizing

00:22:04.120 it seems to reduce the options for law enforcement to get victims out of these situations.

00:22:08.440 Not that it's always perfect.

00:22:10.100 Often victims will be accused of being perpetrators, right?

00:22:13.660 So I remember you mentioned the other day something about Trump and...

00:22:17.600 And his stance on trafficking after seeing Sound of Freedom, which, by the way...

00:22:22.800 He wants to kill him.

00:22:23.560 I love it.

00:22:24.260 I love Sound of Freedom.

00:22:25.800 It was, like, heartbreaking.

00:22:28.160 Here's the thing.

00:22:29.360 Trump is not as anti-trafficking as you think he is.

00:22:33.140 He thinks he is, but he's not.

00:22:35.260 He signed on to a law called SESTA-FOSTA.

00:22:39.220 And I don't know if you're familiar with that.

00:22:42.100 And it made trafficking so much worse.

00:22:45.000 It put victims and consensual adult sex workers into the shadows and made it harder for law

00:22:52.220 enforcement to identify either one of them.

00:22:54.720 So they're arresting...

00:22:55.720 Well, real quick, just to clarify, this was the online law about shutting down...

00:22:58.960 It was an amendment to Section 230 that said that basically any platform that allows sex

00:23:05.820 trafficking to be promoted on the platform can be held liable in court.

00:23:09.020 And victims, people who get taken into sex trafficking, can sue these companies.

00:23:13.920 So it's a huge win for...

00:23:15.260 It may not have worked in practice, but it was definitely in the mindset of helping sex

00:23:18.260 trafficking victims...

00:23:18.720 Well, prohibition doesn't work at all.

00:23:20.080 ...to allow them to sue.

00:23:21.720 But the prohibition was taking away our freedoms.

00:23:23.400 This is protecting the most vulnerable.

00:23:25.180 I argue...

00:23:26.880 Prohibition, in a general sense, does work.

00:23:31.460 We often refer to prohibition as like drugs and the war on drugs is a failure and alcohol

00:23:35.660 is a failure.

00:23:36.560 So you can make the argument that prohibiting certain commodities or certain, you know,

00:23:40.640 substances doesn't work, but we prohibit murder.

00:23:43.060 Like, the idea that you can't...

00:23:45.240 Okay, then I will clarify.

00:23:47.440 Prohibition of victimless crimes, specifically.

00:23:51.760 Because it's not going anywhere.

00:23:53.460 And there's no reason to even try.

00:23:56.520 Sex work isn't going anywhere.

00:23:57.580 Drugs aren't going anywhere.

00:23:58.800 Anything victimless is not going anywhere.

00:24:00.640 People are going to do it whether you like it or not.

00:24:02.480 Whether you feel it's moral or not.

00:24:03.720 So let's make sure that the people that are doing it are safe.

00:24:07.040 But I don't think decriminalizing would protect them.

00:24:09.500 And I also don't think either of those are victimless crimes.

00:24:11.900 I think the person selling fentanyl to the 16-year-old kid who overdoses and now her

00:24:15.520 mom loses her son, that's a victim.

00:24:17.140 Right.

00:24:17.560 There's always dealers who end up having people overdose.

00:24:20.340 I agree.

00:24:20.760 And same with prostitution.

00:24:21.820 These women are much more likely to die of STDs, of AIDS infections, to be abused,

00:24:28.200 to suffer from PTSD.

00:24:29.640 Reason being is that because police officers are arresting women for carrying around condoms.

00:24:35.980 That is not the why.

00:24:36.680 They are fueling the HIV pandemic right now.

00:24:39.940 That is not the only reason women get abused in these situations.

00:24:42.660 But that does seem like an edge case.

00:24:44.240 I've seen those stories.

00:24:45.400 There was, I can't remember one, it was a few years ago.

00:24:48.660 A couple of women were walking down the street, going to a club.

00:24:50.440 They had condoms.

00:24:50.960 The cops stopped them, accused them of being prostitutes.

00:24:52.860 One of them got arrested or something like this.

00:24:54.260 And it was literally just a woman with a condom.

00:24:55.960 Right.

00:24:56.300 Yeah, I think that's ridiculous.

00:24:57.440 But I don't think that that explains why women are disproportionately suffer from PTSD,

00:25:02.080 emotional distress, physical distress.

00:25:03.560 A majority of women who are in the sex work trade say that they dissociate from their body

00:25:07.800 during sex.

00:25:08.480 It creates a lot of issues with the mind and body.

00:25:10.320 And I don't think that anyone is victimless within prostitution.

00:25:13.740 Women are 60 to 100 times more likely to be murdered if they are prostitutes than your

00:25:17.540 average woman.

00:25:18.520 I think there are always victims from evils.

00:25:20.260 That's because of stigmatization.

00:25:21.520 No, I think it's because the people seeking to pay sex are dangerous.

00:25:24.360 It's the stigma of sex work, the way that people speak about them, the way that people

00:25:25.680 dehumanize them, of course.

00:25:26.760 It is dehumanized.

00:25:28.000 Buying sex and renting someone's vagina for your own pleasure is not human.

00:25:31.920 That is not morally right.

00:25:33.340 That is wrong.

00:25:33.960 It's not renting their body.

00:25:35.400 It is literally paying their services and labor.

00:25:38.620 And what is their services and labor, essentially?

00:25:41.660 Whatever we consent to.

00:25:43.000 And it's not even always sex.

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00:26:47.740 Or you're paying for completely non-sexual things.

00:26:52.900 It's not always sex.

00:26:54.560 That's called therapy.

00:26:55.260 Or inherently sexual.

00:26:56.360 That's called companion shit.

00:26:57.200 And so when the people were coming to me, they would tell me things that they didn't

00:27:02.160 feel comfortable telling to a therapist because the therapist was a mandatory reporter.

00:27:06.380 Yeah.

00:27:06.540 Well, maybe that's in place for a reason to protect people.

00:27:09.680 If somebody wants to say, I'm going to kill myself, I'm a danger to myself, I want to

00:27:13.320 kill my mom, stuff.

00:27:14.040 There's certain laws in place for therapists to report that to protect their safety.

00:27:17.600 So I think that if people need therapy, they should absolutely go to a true therapist and

00:27:20.900 not a sex worker.

00:27:21.640 Well, I mean, this is kind of a scary thought.

00:27:23.060 I mean, that would imply that there are people who are like, I need to talk to someone about

00:27:26.220 this.

00:27:26.480 And then they sit down with you and then explain some very serious crime they've committed

00:27:29.700 knowing that you're not going to report them.

00:27:31.160 Or if you do that, now they know who they told it to and who to come after.

00:27:35.640 That seems like you're putting yourself at risk again, even more so.

00:27:39.620 That's the risk you have to be willing to take if you're doing the job.

00:27:41.860 Just like people who work in hazardous waste disposal.

00:27:43.960 They're working with needles that have, you know, HIV on them.

00:27:48.660 If you're working as a plumber, you're exposing yourself to fecal matter and all that.

00:27:53.840 You know, there's, you can explain a job and make it sound disgusting and degrading

00:27:57.240 and dehumanizing all you want, like, uh, uh, what's it called?

00:28:03.880 Just keep in my mind, uh, proctologists.

00:28:06.720 We can make that job sound as horrible as possible, but we need them.

00:28:10.220 I have a question for you.

00:28:11.600 Um, I read this a long time ago.

00:28:14.140 Is it true that there are legal service, like one of the most secure and legal sex works

00:28:21.060 position is providing sex work to the disabled?

00:28:25.840 Yeah.

00:28:27.220 Cause like I was reading this thing that said sex work is basically illegal everywhere.

00:28:31.740 However, there's like this carve out that allows medical practitioners to go to men and

00:28:38.260 women who are disabled and provide them sexual release.

00:28:40.820 Yeah, sex work is not a human right.

00:28:42.320 Sex work is not a human right and it's paid for by the government.

00:28:45.440 Then the government's just pimping you out.

00:28:47.680 Have you ever heard that?

00:28:48.820 But yes, most of our, um, most of our clients are disabled and they're seeking.

00:28:54.180 Most of them?

00:28:54.620 Most of them, they're disabled in some way, shape or form.

00:28:57.980 Either they're impotent or, you know, physically dealing with like something like MS or something,

00:29:03.080 anything.

00:29:03.940 And, um, this is their way of seeking, you know, pleasure.

00:29:07.860 And I'm more than happy to provide that because I'm comfortable with my sexuality.

00:29:12.760 I'm comfortable with myself.

00:29:14.680 It doesn't most, most of your, or most clients in general in your experience are disabled.

00:29:19.680 In my experience, just from doing like participant observation studies, um, independently of course,

00:29:25.160 of course, um, I'm working on four hours of sleep right now.

00:29:29.620 I'm sorry.

00:29:30.020 My mind is like all over the place, but, uh, yeah.

00:29:32.880 Um, the, the, the women that I have spoken to and the few gay men have told me that most of their clients are disabled or people that deal actually,

00:29:41.600 which I, I, I already know what you're going to say after this, people that deal with anger issues, because of course, if you deal with anger issues, they go there, their, their anger issues are released.

00:29:51.640 They go out feeling way better, you know?

00:29:54.720 So I, I believe that the anger issues in this world, the, the mass shootings, the, everything like the abuse, all of this going on, sexual frustration.

00:30:06.920 I had a friend who was a dominatrix a long time ago.

00:30:09.720 She told me that a lot of her clients were very powerful, wealthy men who never in like no, in no area of their lives could experience domination.

00:30:18.140 And that's why they went to her and it wasn't overtly sexual.

00:30:20.840 It was like, she would make them clean the floors and stuff like that.

00:30:23.200 And they'd pay her thousands of dollars.

00:30:24.760 Yeah.

00:30:24.920 That's, that was another one of my jobs as well.

00:30:27.080 That's crazy.

00:30:28.220 It's crazy.

00:30:29.240 Super rich dude is like, I will mop your floors.

00:30:31.860 I want to be degraded.

00:30:32.780 Yeah.

00:30:33.320 Yeah.

00:30:33.680 Shame culture is just very distasteful.

00:30:36.120 There was a, one moment where rent was due.

00:30:40.980 And so she calls a guy yelling at him saying, where's my, where's my check slave and things like this.

00:30:46.160 And he's like, I'm sorry.

00:30:46.900 I'm sorry.

00:30:47.340 Saying, you know, mistress, whatever.

00:30:48.480 And she goes, I want it overnighted now so I can pay my bills.

00:30:51.940 And I want $3,000.

00:30:53.300 It's like anything you say.

00:30:54.180 Yes.

00:30:54.520 Yes.

00:30:54.700 Mistress.

00:30:56.020 Oh yeah.

00:30:56.820 But the guy loved it.

00:30:58.600 And he was like a millionaire.

00:31:00.140 We love it too.

00:31:01.040 We love it too.

00:31:02.260 Our society has gotten so off the path.

00:31:04.720 It's so weird.

00:31:05.520 It's really, it's crazy.

00:31:06.740 People are not getting married.

00:31:07.600 But it's happening.

00:31:08.540 They're murdering their babies.

00:31:09.060 They're asking to be degraded and mop people's floors and pay for it.

00:31:12.260 What's going on?

00:31:13.000 The politicians that are against this, they think that us sex workers don't know who they

00:31:17.320 are when they come and see us.

00:31:18.960 We know who they are.

00:31:20.720 It's the same ones that are voting against these bills.

00:31:24.040 I hope they continue to vote against these bills.

00:31:26.720 But while participating in it?

00:31:27.900 While participating.

00:31:28.500 No, I think there's a whole other problem with that.

00:31:30.940 That's gross.

00:31:32.160 There's so much hypocrisy.

00:31:33.860 Look.

00:31:34.140 Of course.

00:31:34.640 In politics.

00:31:35.220 You might argue it's good they're voting against it.

00:31:37.580 You might argue it's good they're getting the services.

00:31:39.120 My view is get the hypocrite scumbag politicians out of there.

00:31:42.340 I think we all agree on that.

00:31:43.160 Yeah.

00:31:43.500 100%.

00:31:44.180 Yeah.

00:31:44.840 Woo.

00:31:45.200 Go team.

00:31:45.500 Yeah.

00:31:45.740 You get a politician who outright says it's wrong and we shouldn't do it.

00:31:48.620 Who doesn't participate and votes for it.

00:31:50.120 And then you get a guy who says it's good.

00:31:51.200 It's fine.

00:31:51.500 I do it.

00:31:51.860 I got no issue with it.

00:31:52.780 And that's whatever.

00:31:53.480 Just be honest about it.

00:31:54.460 You know what?

00:31:54.880 But that's very ironic because it's not ironic, but that's very common on the extreme far

00:32:00.260 right of the aisle where they're extremely.

00:32:02.360 This has just been a funny thing.

00:32:03.620 The same hypocrisy where they're like, we hate gays.

00:32:05.940 We're so against gays.

00:32:06.860 Yeah.

00:32:07.040 And they all come out as like secretly gay, praying male prostitute.

00:32:10.940 Like it's it's crazy.

00:32:12.820 I agree.

00:32:13.180 No hypocrites.

00:32:13.900 Just live the life.

00:32:14.660 Like live the words that you speak.

00:32:16.000 And if you don't believe in what you're saying, then don't say it.

00:32:18.560 So let's let's talk about the technological development here.

00:32:21.480 Only fans.

00:32:22.620 Yeah.

00:32:22.860 So I view only fans as prostitution.

00:32:27.460 It's survival sex work online.

00:32:30.740 But why is it survival?

00:32:31.720 I mean, how's it survival?

00:32:32.440 We're making millions.

00:32:33.500 Yeah.

00:32:33.740 And there are tons of stories where one woman was a police officer making 50, 60,000 a year.

00:32:39.120 School teachers, school teachers, nurses.

00:32:40.700 And they're like, wow, I'm making six figures now.

00:32:42.680 They're lying.

00:32:44.200 They're not making that money.

00:32:45.420 You could just tell you could tell a media outlet how much you make and they could just

00:32:48.620 publish it and not.

00:32:50.140 Sure.

00:32:50.500 You could have thrown a lot of money on OnlyFans.

00:32:52.880 They have photos.

00:32:53.380 If you say you make a lot of money, that means you're telling them you have really good content

00:32:56.320 to offer.

00:32:56.880 And 99.9% of the time, do you really?

00:32:59.400 I mean, who believes the fucking media?

00:33:01.980 I'm sorry.

00:33:02.360 But who believes?

00:33:02.880 Well, if I if I'm looking at a woman who had they show a bunch of photos of her as a

00:33:08.360 police officer, then they show a bunch of photos of her scantily clad.

00:33:11.780 And she's living in a big house.

00:33:13.900 Sure.

00:33:14.260 Maybe she rented a fake house and is pulling a fast one.

00:33:16.940 But there's tons of these stories.

00:33:18.400 So at the very least, it may be the outlier.

00:33:20.420 But there are women who are like, wow, OnlyFans money.

00:33:23.020 Was it Black China who made like eight million a month or something?

00:33:25.980 I'm sure there are.

00:33:26.800 But hold on.

00:33:27.600 It was like the top.

00:33:28.500 The top the top accounts like that, I don't think are sexual.

00:33:32.220 There's celebrities.

00:33:33.920 A lot of teasing.

00:33:34.640 They'll wait like 20 years just to see a nipple pop out.

00:33:36.780 No, no.

00:33:36.980 But some of it, a lot of it is there are like there are like there was some some minor.

00:33:40.920 This is a crazy story.

00:33:41.720 There was a minor who said, as soon as I turn 18, I'm posting on OnlyFans made a million

00:33:45.920 dollars overnight.

00:33:46.460 And people were like, well, hold on a minute.

00:33:48.180 How did you get all that content?

00:33:49.740 Right.

00:33:50.700 On midnight, unless you made it when you were a minor, in which case child pornography.

00:33:55.100 Right.

00:33:56.220 But that's gross.

00:33:57.160 Oh, my gosh.

00:33:57.580 There's so much I want to touch on that topic.

00:33:59.420 Like when it comes to Twitter, first of all, I cannot tell you how many accounts I have

00:34:05.000 had to tell like in the comment section, like stop posting your links or your pictures

00:34:11.840 in the comment sections where there's Twitter is 13 plus like I cannot stress this enough.

00:34:18.240 Twitter is 13 plus.

00:34:19.280 They need to get the hell off that platform.

00:34:21.840 That's what I like.

00:34:23.620 That is just not the place.

00:34:25.100 And because of SESTA-FOSTA, that is that is what caused the influx of all of us, the

00:34:30.540 influx of OnlyFans, the influx of all of these people on a site for 13 plus is because

00:34:36.320 they can't have their own site.

00:34:38.160 I would disagree.

00:34:38.900 I would say it was the degeneration of society that has and the sexual liberation of women.

00:34:43.060 It has been there.

00:34:43.660 Well, I think the sexual revolution combined with the recent degeneration degeneracy of

00:34:48.540 society and the reducing marriage rates, the reducing child rates, people not having

00:34:52.980 as many children, they're not really getting married as much or not staying married.

00:34:55.320 I think all of this combined has led women to this idea of I don't need no mans.

00:34:59.220 I can make all my money by selling my body.

00:35:01.040 I'm an independent woman.

00:35:02.160 And it's a mix between the feminist, the original feminist idea of, well, not even

00:35:06.320 feminist, just traditional femininity.

00:35:08.240 The original idea that like women shouldn't be forced to work.

00:35:10.480 We should have the option to stay at home.

00:35:11.680 Right.

00:35:11.700 We shouldn't be forced, but we should have an option.

00:35:13.680 Do you know why prostitution is even illegal?

00:35:17.500 Because it's wrong.

00:35:18.820 It's illegal because.

00:35:20.900 Because you're buying sex from someone.

00:35:22.620 Which is wrong.

00:35:23.200 Because it built the West.

00:35:25.180 It built the entire West.

00:35:26.880 So when prohibition began with alcohol, they also outlawed prostitution.

00:35:35.580 What happened was is sex workers started building brothels and then they started building schools

00:35:40.680 and then they started building churches and then they started building homes and businesses.

00:35:44.500 And the men didn't like the fact that women were making so much money.

00:35:48.580 So they said, we're going to keep this illegal.

00:35:50.280 So here we are.

00:35:53.720 I have a question.

00:35:54.640 Do you need an ID to be on OnlyFans?

00:35:57.960 Yes.

00:35:58.600 So when you sign up for OnlyFans, they say, send us a picture of your ID?

00:36:01.660 Yes.

00:36:02.200 Who takes the taxes out?

00:36:03.540 They send it.

00:36:04.020 They make you.

00:36:04.900 No, but I mean like a viewer.

00:36:07.360 Oh, a viewer?

00:36:08.220 Yeah.

00:36:08.420 If like someone who wants to watch a woman who pays the 10 bucks a month, does that?

00:36:12.780 I had to upload because there was a couple accounts that I paid for.

00:36:16.320 Oh.

00:36:16.340 No, there's a couple accounts that I paid for because I like watching porn.

00:36:20.420 But they made you send an ID in.

00:36:22.780 The only reason that my account was verified anyways, because I was a content.

00:36:27.840 No, wait.

00:36:28.220 No, that was for AVN.

00:36:29.160 Um, I believe, because I don't have an OnlyFans.

00:36:35.300 That was a long time ago.

00:36:36.500 I don't remember.

00:36:37.220 They should.

00:36:37.720 Let's just say, let's just say, maybe not.

00:36:40.140 Because I feel like it's like Twitch.

00:36:41.480 Oh man, is it even on Android?

00:36:42.800 When it comes down to like porn sites, I believe that they should absolutely not show any nudity

00:36:48.060 until you verify the same way that a porn star has to verify with her account.

00:36:54.080 They have to not only just show their ID with a picture of yourself upside down, but your

00:36:59.480 account has to be written on a piece of paper and you, as a viewer, should have to do the

00:37:03.920 same thing.

00:37:04.460 I mean, like, it's literally that easy.

00:37:06.520 There should be absolutely nothing to be seen.

00:37:09.020 I would agree with that wholeheartedly that people should have to submit information and

00:37:13.720 be of age before consuming porn, even though I think porn should be completely wiped away.

00:37:18.620 18 is not old enough.

00:37:19.900 I don't think 18 is old enough.

00:37:20.660 But it's old enough to consent to regular sex, do you think?

00:37:24.080 Um, I think that it's old enough to get married.

00:37:28.000 I think that it's, you're old enough to make that choice if, um, if you want.

00:37:33.060 So how do you even?

00:37:34.160 The brain, like the brain development, it all, it really just falls into brain development

00:37:37.940 and porn producers are very.

00:37:41.420 What's the OnlyFans app called?

00:37:43.480 Is there even one?

00:37:44.200 I don't know.

00:37:44.780 It's not coming up on Apple or Android.

00:37:46.640 Really?

00:37:46.960 Is it a website?

00:37:47.700 Maybe it's shut down.

00:37:49.420 Maybe they hurt us.

00:37:50.340 I thought it was, I thought it was just a website.

00:37:52.580 It's just a website?

00:37:53.180 Yeah, it's just a website.

00:37:54.200 Well, I don't, I don't know.

00:37:55.040 It's just a website.

00:37:55.620 I have no idea.

00:37:56.320 Okay.

00:37:56.900 I have zero.

00:37:57.360 I know it comes like AVN and Chatterbait by AVN Shutdown.

00:38:00.500 I thought it was an app.

00:38:02.000 Oh my God, I lost my kind of thought.

00:38:02.700 I'm a Twitch girl.

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00:38:11.240 I guess I'll have to look into it.

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00:39:19.240 If OnlyFans accounts, then the executives of OnlyFans should be criminally charged and

00:39:26.480 arrested.

00:39:27.600 And the people selling the content to minors should also be charged.

00:39:31.000 What about Elon Musk?

00:39:32.400 For Twitter?

00:39:33.240 Should he be criminally charged?

00:39:34.180 Yes.

00:39:34.820 That's what Fafs Assessor was essentially about.

00:39:37.080 These social media platforms.

00:39:38.000 Right, okay.

00:39:38.620 High five.

00:39:38.820 Like on TikTok, there was an experiment done.

00:39:41.960 I don't remember.

00:39:42.460 I believe it was a Daily Wire member, but they made a TikTok account.

00:39:46.280 They wrote that they were eight years old.

00:39:47.540 They were still able to make the account, even though the age on TikTok is also supposed

00:39:50.880 to be like 13 plus.

00:39:52.560 Within a few...

00:39:52.980 First, it's like Roblox, random things.

00:39:54.900 And then within two days, they're just getting nonstop porn on their For You page, an eight

00:39:58.060 year old.

00:39:58.720 And I've definitely seen this on social media.

00:40:00.460 I don't even have a TikTok account.

00:40:02.620 I've seen this on TikTok where these people will come up on my page.

00:40:05.460 It's children dancing extremely sexually.

00:40:07.520 And I've reported these videos saying that minor safety is at risk here.

00:40:10.740 But what the law of Fafs Assessor was essentially supposed to do, it was repealing Section 230

00:40:15.460 to not have this veil.

00:40:17.620 Same with free speech, First Amendment, that social media companies could just ban us, do

00:40:21.200 whatever they want.

00:40:21.880 No.

00:40:22.400 The only reason that they got special government benefits is because they said they were an

00:40:25.300 open platform.

00:40:25.900 Like, where is CPS when these people are exploiting their children like this?

00:40:30.180 That's a whole other issue, the parent side.

00:40:32.140 But a lot of children are independent.

00:40:32.640 As much as I don't like government involvement, like, that's one area where I'm like, maybe.

00:40:38.480 Well, either way, I think that it was a good law to allow these companies to sue.

00:40:42.640 If I'm on Twitter, I'm an eight year old boy, I see all this stuff.

00:40:45.480 Someone's like, click this link, hire a prostitute.

00:40:47.600 And I suddenly get myself in a dangerous situation just from being online.

00:40:51.100 I think that my parents should be able to sue Twitter for laughing.

00:40:52.740 It's that easy.

00:40:53.320 They can track exactly where you are and just snatch you up and you're gone.

00:40:56.700 Yeah.

00:40:56.980 I mean, we've all seen it.

00:40:58.080 Do you agree that the government should be, or individuals should be able to sue companies

00:41:02.060 for allowing that to take place on their platform?

00:41:04.020 Well, that's what FOSTA-SESTA was.

00:41:05.920 But actually, I disagree with that.

00:41:07.260 I think that's a cop-out.

00:41:08.240 I don't think that's what SESTA-FOSTA was.

00:41:09.860 I believe that SESTA-FOSTA definitely targeted, like, sites for consenting adults.

00:41:14.520 It was, but go ahead.

00:41:15.500 It was like Backpage was a big deal.

00:41:16.940 It was Backpage.

00:41:17.400 It got shut down.

00:41:17.980 Yeah.

00:41:18.160 Uh, the argument was by allowing Backpage, the law enforcement could more easily track

00:41:23.140 traffickers, and by getting rid of it, they push it underground.

00:41:25.980 But you asked me about Elon Musk.

00:41:28.160 Here's my position.

00:41:29.480 If Elon Musk came out and said, oh, by the way, the X app is now officially X on the App Store,

00:41:34.240 because when I was searching for only friends-

00:41:35.280 Wasn't it banned in India or something like that because of the X?

00:41:38.540 There was, like, banned in India or anything like that.

00:41:40.520 But if Elon Musk's position is that sex content, explicit adult content, is a lot on the platform,

00:41:49.520 and 13-year-olds are a lot on the platform, then he should be held criminally liable,

00:41:55.420 because you're basically-

00:41:56.760 Look, you can't open an adult bookstore with a big sign saying 13-plus welcome-

00:42:01.060 And he knows.

00:42:01.660 And then let people in.

00:42:02.180 He absolutely knows.

00:42:03.280 It's rampant.

00:42:03.920 No, no, hold on.

00:42:04.800 To be fair, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in that he recently acquired the platform,

00:42:09.400 took tremendous action against trafficking stuff and exploitation content.

00:42:13.520 Significantly less porn on the website or on the app now.

00:42:15.680 And so I actually think it's more so of him taking the reins and trying to get things.

00:42:21.800 And if we went to him now and said, hey, one or the other, either sex work is allowed or 13-plus.

00:42:26.880 But if you're going to allow sex content, then you've got to verify every person on the platform.

00:42:31.420 And so what's the easy thing is to ban it.

00:42:35.100 Well, either that's one option.

00:42:38.040 You could censor the profiles that are obviously like-

00:42:43.200 Restrict those profiles to verified IDs only.

00:42:46.400 Right.

00:42:46.680 So if you have an account on Twitter that posts sexual content-

00:42:49.680 It's all about protecting the children, like when it comes down to it.

00:42:52.240 We're really doing Elon's work for him right now.

00:42:54.920 Absolutely.

00:42:55.420 Elon, if you're watching this-

00:42:56.620 This is our goal.

00:42:57.340 Thanks.

00:42:57.700 All of us at the end is protecting children.

00:42:59.900 So, yeah.

00:43:00.440 And women.

00:43:01.140 For me, it's also women.

00:43:01.640 And women and children, of course.

00:43:02.940 There's a really-

00:43:03.460 And men.

00:43:03.880 Everyone.

00:43:04.220 Protect everyone.

00:43:04.860 Everyone.

00:43:05.140 Right.

00:43:05.560 Exactly.

00:43:06.400 So somebody who wants to post these things on Twitter, their account is auto-blurred.

00:43:11.220 And you can only see the posts, any photo or video, and you can only see it if you've uploaded an ID verifying your identity.

00:43:19.200 Right.

00:43:19.420 And he's the richest man in the world.

00:43:20.480 Don't tell me that he can't hire a staff to get that done.

00:43:22.520 Well, I have a question for both of you.

00:43:24.940 If we are operating under Section 230, which is assuming these social media platforms are essentially open public forums in the way that all constitutional laws apply in open public forums as compared to limited forums, whatever.

00:43:38.180 It's a whole thing about freedoms.

00:43:39.060 But specifically with an open public forum, you can't walk through Times Square butt naked.

00:43:43.240 You will be arrested for public nudity.

00:43:44.940 Right.

00:43:45.400 Yeah.

00:43:45.680 What's the difference?

00:43:46.600 I was just talking about that, actually.

00:43:47.400 Completely agree.

00:43:47.960 So now with the social media platform, if it's an online public open forum, then why shouldn't the same government laws of public nudity apply to these apps and ban anybody from uploading stuff, regardless of this whole license stuff?

00:44:00.060 I don't think it should be allowed on the platform at all because it's public indecency.

00:44:03.460 Right.

00:44:03.700 Exactly.

00:44:04.280 Strip clubs are allowed.

00:44:05.280 Strip clubs are allowed.

00:44:06.280 It's not public.

00:44:07.180 Right.

00:44:07.660 Exactly.

00:44:07.860 As long as you're in the LGBT community, you can walk around with your wang hanging out in front of, you know, literally any age.

00:44:13.840 Or the naked cowboy in Times Square.

00:44:15.720 Well, he's in his underwear.

00:44:16.540 But if a consenting a doll is in a room with, you know, anybody.

00:44:20.160 Sometimes pushes it on the butt part.

00:44:21.940 I don't get it.

00:44:22.620 You know.

00:44:23.360 Yeah.

00:44:23.700 What's the difference then?

00:44:24.780 Because that is a limited...

00:44:26.380 A strip club is privately owned.

00:44:27.900 It's a limited forum.

00:44:28.740 It's...

00:44:29.320 You have to pay to be a member.

00:44:30.260 They can kick you out.

00:44:31.100 Whereas the only reason that these social media companies like Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, the only reason that they have protection from being sued, they have a shield from the government, is because they brand themselves as these open public forums.

00:44:41.280 No, I agree.

00:44:42.480 So the difference is, if you are on an open Twitter page, like my Twitter, you can go there, you can see whatever I say.

00:44:48.540 Yeah.

00:44:48.900 As long as I'm not posting anything that breaks the law or whatever, that's fine.

00:44:52.920 But the moment you cross into adult content, you now have to become a private establishment that requires identification and verification.

00:44:58.520 Right.

00:44:58.720 So you can be on Twitter and post all that stuff, but your account is locked to anybody who's not verified.

00:45:03.100 Well, this is like your ideal, what it would be like ideally.

00:45:05.600 Yeah.

00:45:05.860 Yeah.

00:45:06.120 Yeah.

00:45:06.560 I think, I guess for me at least, it would be ideal that no one would upload these and that they can make your own website or use Pornhub if you want to upload porn.

00:45:13.700 But I think social media apps, that they should stay true to why they were given these rights in the first place, where it should be a public forum where the same laws that are in our constitution apply to social media apps.

00:45:24.300 I don't think there should be any difference in social media because I think that leads to situations like Donald Trump being banned from Twitter.

00:45:29.540 The more power we give to these social media companies, the less power we have as individuals.

00:45:34.400 Absolutely.

00:45:35.220 Yeah, I agree.

00:45:36.100 Well, all right then.

00:45:37.240 We're all in agreement.

00:45:38.760 Yeah.

00:45:39.080 The big problem is that I think early on in the internet, it was small and it didn't have that big of an impact and they didn't care all that much.

00:45:51.200 And now it is life.

00:45:53.020 Everyone's on the internet 24-7.

00:45:55.180 So for some reason, because we talked about this on IRL, for some reason, if you go out into Times Square and hold up a big picture of pornography, yeah, you'll be arrested.

00:46:03.620 Right to jail.

00:46:04.460 Yeah, right to jail, you know, believe it or not.

00:46:06.840 Unless you have words with it, actually, because then it would be protected as, well, I don't know where the laws get learned.

00:46:11.180 You're like, what is art?

00:46:11.740 There's free speech laws.

00:46:12.640 That's what it comes down to.

00:46:13.260 Like, what is art?

00:46:15.140 Well, if you have speech attached to it, it could be protected.

00:46:17.960 A picture of a woman who's posing and it said, like, what is art?

00:46:22.540 Yeah, you might actually have a legal question.

00:46:25.200 That's protected under the First Amendment, actually.

00:46:26.320 Don't do that.

00:46:27.120 But, right, yeah, don't.

00:46:28.540 Don't do that.

00:46:29.280 But, like, overt pornography, like, a photo of, like, hardcore penetration.

00:46:34.500 Like what Marjorie Taylor Greene showed at the trial of Hunter Biden.

00:46:38.020 Oh, man.

00:46:39.140 Was that not censored, though?

00:46:41.060 Was it blurred?

00:46:41.640 It was censored for us when we saw it, but I don't believe it was censored on the House floor.

00:46:45.140 Are you sure?

00:46:46.040 Really?

00:46:46.760 I think that's why it was blurred, wasn't it?

00:46:48.180 I think it was blurred when it was reposted because you can't post it on social media,

00:46:51.900 but I assume that people were very angry over it because it was the raw picture.

00:46:55.640 You think she would blur it?

00:46:57.800 I kind of do.

00:46:58.860 I don't think so.

00:46:59.800 I absolutely don't think so.

00:47:00.940 That's definitely, like, everybody in the audience.

00:47:02.500 You know the only reason you can't post it is it's nothing to do with the sex work.

00:47:05.880 It's the privacy issue.

00:47:06.920 Oh.

00:47:07.540 Because, yeah, it breaks the privacy rule, not the porn rule.

00:47:10.740 Twitter allows people to have total profiles dedicated to porn and stuff.

00:47:14.420 And this is a funny thing about the free speech debate.

00:47:17.980 You've got Gab, for instance.

00:47:19.800 Gab is a free speech platform.

00:47:21.380 They ban porn.

00:47:22.520 And I think the same thing was true with locals.

00:47:24.700 When locals launched, everyone is like free speech, but then they're like, hey, but not porn.

00:47:28.860 Patreon had a similar issue where they took down and everyone was complaining.

00:47:31.920 And I'm kind of like, you know, a while ago I was kind of like, hey, there's a slippery slope towards banning stuff.

00:47:38.700 But mostly based on ignorance and not having looked into the issue.

00:47:42.280 Now I'm completely like, it should not be allowed on public platforms without that age verification for users like any other adult bookstore or strip club.

00:47:51.140 Right.

00:47:51.560 Do you think the same should apply to, like, Pornhub.com?

00:47:53.840 Oh, yeah.

00:47:54.760 And not only that, but, I mean, Pornhub had to take down a whole ton of content because it was probably underage girls and trafficking victims.

00:48:03.260 It was just unverified anybody uploaded stuff.

00:48:06.680 And there was some bad stuff.

00:48:09.300 As I was reported in the news.

00:48:11.360 There has been many reports that a lot of women who were sex traffic were found from Pornhub videos and been able to be tracked down that way.

00:48:17.160 Which is insane because if I upload a video, like, it's taken down within hours of, like, there's a person in there that, like, I either haven't, like, verified who they are.

00:48:27.840 So, wait, wait, someone said.

00:48:28.980 I don't understand, like.

00:48:31.060 Cage the Mick gave a super chat.

00:48:32.840 Is this in reference to OnlyFans saying you just need a birth date and credit card number?

00:48:37.920 I assume that's what it is.

00:48:38.940 You see, this stuff really bothers me.

00:48:40.400 That's just bullshit.

00:48:41.100 Well, these companies are all for profit.

00:48:43.220 That's the thing.

00:48:43.580 None of these companies give crap about.

00:48:45.500 That's the exploitation.

00:48:46.400 The exploitation is really the viewers.

00:48:48.400 So, the biggest pimp in the world right now is who runs OnlyFans?

00:48:53.620 Oh, I have no idea.

00:48:55.960 Let's look it up.

00:48:56.620 That's the thing.

00:48:57.700 Took everything.

00:48:58.040 We should know this information.

00:49:00.280 We should know who runs Pornhub.

00:49:01.760 We should know who runs OnlyFans.

00:49:03.500 There's a reason that we don't know who they are.

00:49:07.700 Amrapalik Gunn started it.

00:49:11.060 Trust me, by the end of this, there's probably going to be way more that we agree about than don't.

00:49:14.240 She was the CEO.

00:49:16.260 I think that's life.

00:49:16.940 Succeeded Tim Stokely.

00:49:18.820 Whoever.

00:49:21.280 This is insane to me.

00:49:23.520 These people should be in jail.

00:49:25.100 Yeah.

00:49:25.280 This is crazy.

00:49:27.640 It's very dangerous.

00:49:28.920 And I think something that I would love to get into a conversation about is that bringing

00:49:33.260 it back to the victimless crime, I truly believe that prostitution hurts women at large.

00:49:37.480 There have been many studies that show that 60 to 70 percent of women in sex work, prostitution,

00:49:41.740 however you want to phrase it, suffered incest or sexual abuse from male family members

00:49:45.520 growing up who had access to them.

00:49:46.920 I think it's not talked about a lot, specifically what I replied on Twitter yesterday, all these

00:49:50.840 stats.

00:49:51.580 It wasn't supporting the Nordic model.

00:49:52.880 It was simply showing how many women are victims and how much they suffer even prior

00:49:57.620 to getting into this.

00:49:58.480 The majority of women within prostitution, if not all, besides the one percent who are

00:50:02.620 self-employed, come from poor, racially marginalized communities.

00:50:06.020 And I think if the government were to decriminalize it, legalize it, however you want to call it,

00:50:10.020 do anything to make prostitution or prostituting yourself easier in this country, it would 100

00:50:15.300 percent send this message to these people that the government does not care about your

00:50:18.880 safety.

00:50:19.260 They do not care about your health.

00:50:20.260 It definitely doesn't make it easier.

00:50:21.580 It just makes it safer.

00:50:22.860 How?

00:50:23.200 It makes it safer because, okay, so by criminalizing it, we are putting both consenting adults and

00:50:31.240 victims in jail.

00:50:33.380 And then, again, going back to we are putting everybody's health at risk by arresting people

00:50:39.200 just because of, you know, the condoms that they're holding on to them.

00:50:42.160 But we can go back to this little fact right here about law enforcement.

00:50:47.560 It's from some article here from the LA Times.

00:50:51.520 It says, law enforcement agencies in America's biggest cities spend an average of about $2,000

00:50:57.560 for each arrest of a prostitute, which amounts to more than $120 million a year in law enforcement

00:51:03.920 costs nationwide.

00:51:05.200 So, you know, obviously it's a burden on taxpayers, but ultimately when New Zealand decriminalized

00:51:12.400 sex work, I mean, just speaking to all the sex workers, they felt safer.

00:51:16.480 They feel safer that they can now report the abuse and exploitation that happens to them.

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00:52:34.480 Or pulls a gun out.

00:52:37.120 If I call the cops, they're arresting me too.

00:52:40.060 Yes.

00:52:40.420 It's over.

00:52:41.280 So with decriminalization that allows me to comfortably call the cops, have him arrested,

00:52:47.700 and go on with my day.

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00:52:54.040 We haven't even defined the Nordic model.

00:52:55.120 You guys want to define it?

00:52:55.840 So from my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, because this isn't my 100% expertise,

00:53:01.180 but from my understanding, the Nordic model is essentially what I have been saying, where

00:53:05.160 women who are victims of prostitution can come forward to the government for safety and

00:53:10.000 protection.

00:53:10.660 It would still hold people who purchase sex acts as a felony and try them as a felony

00:53:15.540 while offering protections for women to get out of the line of work.

00:53:18.400 Whether it works in practice is a whole different conversation than what it is in...

00:53:23.000 Or whether it works in actuality is very different than what it is in practice.

00:53:25.560 It criminalizes the buyer, not the seller.

00:53:27.780 It allows the victim to come forward.

00:53:30.260 Right.

00:53:30.820 So, yeah.

00:53:32.240 Essentially, the biggest issue with that is the males and females that purchase the services

00:53:39.280 of sex workers have rights and liberties that they should be able to exercise.

00:53:43.980 So that's number one.

00:53:45.020 But here's...

00:53:45.380 Is the right...

00:53:45.800 Can you define what that is?

00:53:47.020 The right and liberties?

00:53:47.840 The rights and liberties to purchase sex.

00:53:49.740 To purchase the services of anybody that they would like.

00:53:53.600 You do not have a right or liberty to purchase sex from somebody else's body.

00:53:56.560 That is not a right.

00:53:57.420 I mean, that's anything.

00:53:58.500 I mean, whatever you do, if you hire somebody to, you know, fix your toilet, that's their

00:54:02.580 services and labor.

00:54:04.160 So, whatever they're doing with their body, it doesn't matter what part.

00:54:06.160 That's different than a right.

00:54:07.120 You have the ability to purchase.

00:54:08.620 You do not have a right to purchase other people's bodies.

00:54:10.640 They have rights and liberties to...

00:54:12.480 Rights and liberties are constitutionally protected.

00:54:14.440 If somebody just has a will to do something, that's fine.

00:54:16.360 But there is nothing in the Constitution that says you have a right to purchase somebody

00:54:19.080 else's body.

00:54:19.400 The Constitution doesn't grant any rights.

00:54:20.620 Well, the Bill of Rights.

00:54:21.560 That does not grant us.

00:54:22.640 Well, God granted us our rights.

00:54:24.120 The government just protects our God-given rights.

00:54:25.820 The Constitution protects our rights from the government.

00:54:28.200 True.

00:54:28.700 I agree.

00:54:29.520 Yeah.

00:54:30.240 So, okay.

00:54:30.880 So, basically, the biggest issue is when it comes to the Nordic model is there is absolutely

00:54:35.520 no decrease in the amount of people taking part in sex work at all.

00:54:40.600 So, if we're coming from a moral standpoint, decriminalization does see a decrease.

00:54:49.220 The Nordic model does not.

00:54:50.380 So, that's one thing says 56.7% of sex workers surveyed in the Nordic model felt that the law

00:55:03.760 had made sex work more dangerous, while 29.1% felt that it had made no difference to their

00:55:11.920 safety.

00:55:12.920 Sex workers reported higher levels of anxiety and unease, and increased stigmatization.

00:55:23.620 The legislation provided no new exit services, which is very important actually, that's what

00:55:28.260 my second book is about, for leaving the industry.

00:55:33.920 So, how do we get these women out of these situations?

00:55:38.800 I have had multiple jobs that were not sex work.

00:55:42.060 Two of them I was fired for, for reporting sexual harassment, because I was a sex worker

00:55:49.840 before, and then one of them I ended up quitting, because I knew what the, you know, the outcome

00:55:56.580 was going to be.

00:55:58.960 Sorry, I was like, this is a very emotional topic for me.

00:56:01.580 So, there is no out for them.

00:56:07.040 Like, what is the actual out for these workers?

00:56:10.420 I don't think it's necessarily the out as much a marriage, absolutely, but I don't get married,

00:56:15.420 have children, get a college degree, you'll be pretty good for life.

00:56:17.780 But I do think that, yeah, not the college one, but I mean, just rely on men, that's

00:56:22.220 income-wise, that's the, that's the answer, just men in general?

00:56:25.260 I think men should rely on women just as much, though.

00:56:27.440 Men cannot survive without women.

00:56:29.160 Women and men meet each other equally, we're complementary to each other, God create us

00:56:32.340 together, but specifically to answer your question.

00:56:33.880 Is it easy for women who are in sex work to find a good man?

00:56:37.620 Definitely not.

00:56:38.360 That was something I actually wanted to get into.

00:56:39.120 I saw that movie with Julia Roberts, so I would say yes.

00:56:42.260 I'm kidding.

00:56:43.060 What was that movie called?

00:56:44.860 Pretty Woman?

00:56:45.460 Pretty Woman.

00:56:45.820 It's more about, I think the true answer to this is the same answer to everything in

00:56:49.800 society.

00:56:50.280 How do we get the people at the bottom of society into a better lifestyle?

00:56:53.300 We improve society from the top down entirely.

00:56:56.320 We just make society better.

00:56:57.780 Nowadays, people in poverty are so much better off than they were 30 years ago.

00:57:01.500 People considered in poverty now can have TVs, internet, cars, they could be making a solid

00:57:06.600 refrigerators, air conditioning, food on the table.

00:57:09.440 Clean running water.

00:57:10.040 Okay, so the answer is basically men.

00:57:11.520 No, it's we make society better.

00:57:13.640 We work harder.

00:57:14.440 What about the independent women that want to work?

00:57:17.200 Like the entrepreneurs.

00:57:18.100 What if they're ready?

00:57:19.160 They're ready to get out of it.

00:57:20.200 There is no resources.

00:57:21.520 There's nothing for them to gather.

00:57:22.940 I think it's before getting into it.

00:57:24.460 Getting out is a different conversation, but as part of the conversation is how do they

00:57:28.980 get out?

00:57:29.160 I mean, it's most in demand, but right.

00:57:34.380 That's like a natural function of humanity.

00:57:37.020 Men want it.

00:57:38.620 Women gatekeep it.

00:57:39.800 And it will always be that way.

00:57:41.140 And it will always be happening.

00:57:43.240 So it always circles back.

00:57:45.320 It circles back to it will always be happening.

00:57:47.760 So let's make sure that it's safer for those that are partaking in it because it will not

00:57:51.580 stop.

00:57:52.040 So here's going to stop it.

00:57:53.640 I was I was recently in Mexico and I was at the border.

00:57:56.600 Or there's like a big hole in it right in Tijuana.

00:57:59.500 You can just walk through to California, like literally on the beach in Tijuana.

00:58:03.160 You can walk right through.

00:58:04.200 If you're obese, you're not going to be able to.

00:58:06.120 But I looked at this, the bollard fencing they have.

00:58:08.960 And I'm like, I could literally just walk into America right now.

00:58:11.900 There was one border patrol agent on the other side on a hill.

00:58:15.340 And I'm like, you know, everyone did that during COVID when they didn't want to get

00:58:17.900 tested.

00:58:18.380 I have a lot of family friends who just walk through from Mexico because they didn't want

00:58:21.320 to get a COVID test in Mexico.

00:58:22.400 So you just walk through.

00:58:23.520 But so everyone does that.

00:58:24.420 So my point ultimately is we didn't used to need to have law enforcement building this

00:58:31.540 barrier because we had a society and a culture that had an infrastructure that worked for

00:58:38.340 us better than it does today.

00:58:39.580 And now our society is so fragmented, dejected.

00:58:42.480 Now it's just let the government take care of it and people absolve themselves of responsibility.

00:58:46.560 So what ends up happening is we keep saying we need a legislative approach to how we deal

00:58:53.460 with this problem when the problem is purely cultural.

00:58:55.840 Why are women getting involved in sex work?

00:58:57.920 Honestly, and as much as feminists probably don't want to hear it, with the decline of

00:59:02.740 traditional families and socially enforced monogamy, you end up with...

00:59:07.860 Look, I'll say it this way.

00:59:08.700 The greatest thing for guys ever was feminism.

00:59:12.380 And I mean that not in the truest sense of the word.

00:59:15.780 I mean it in terms of the dopamine hit.

00:59:17.720 Guys who want to not work, sit around all day, play video games, bang whoever they want

00:59:22.480 and not have to take any responsibility for it.

00:59:24.320 Got everything they ever wanted.

00:59:25.580 And now women have to have all of the traditional brunt of life along with now having to have

00:59:32.200 jobs as well.

00:59:33.180 Yep.

00:59:33.360 You end up with these things like, I love the 30 Rock, I love 30 Rock, you have Liz Lemmon's

00:59:38.360 character Tina Fey, I can have it all.

00:59:40.800 You know, have a great job and be the boss and also have a family.

00:59:43.620 And then it's like, not really.

00:59:45.780 There's something interesting about requiring the end of socially enforced monogamy, the

00:59:51.300 entrance of women predominantly into the workforce, which I'm not saying I'm opposed to, but let's

00:59:55.640 just talk about the ramifications of this.

00:59:57.940 It became a necessity, as most things do.

01:00:00.460 It starts with a privilege.

01:00:02.100 It starts with a, it's fine if you do, and then eventually becomes a necessity.

01:00:06.240 Cell phones being a good example.

01:00:07.660 It used to be, wow, if you had one, wow, that was great.

01:00:09.740 Right now you're on it all day and it's just.

01:00:11.220 And if you don't have it, you're not getting hired.

01:00:13.460 What's your phone number?

01:00:14.140 You don't have a cell phone?

01:00:14.740 How do I call you when I need you for something?

01:00:16.180 Now you have to have it.

01:00:17.280 Well, now the government.

01:00:18.140 Or you're on it too much.

01:00:19.200 Or you're on it too much.

01:00:20.200 Women were eventually, at first it was like, if a woman wants a job, she should be able to

01:00:24.440 have it.

01:00:24.700 You can't bar her from it.

01:00:25.760 And now women have to have jobs, period.

01:00:28.160 There's nothing you can do about it.

01:00:29.100 So it used to be in society, women would find a husband, men would be like single men

01:00:35.060 were questioned, like, what are you, you're not doing, you know, what are you, what's

01:00:37.800 going on?

01:00:38.460 Now it's, it's, it's like total freedom and independence.

01:00:41.320 But I believe that there are clearly biological differences between men and women, which result

01:00:46.100 in net negatives predominantly for women.

01:00:49.380 One example being men are typically the ones who are going to buy sex, meaning women will

01:00:55.800 typically the ones in this in sex work, but then there's also in the workplace, the fact

01:01:01.180 that women are the ones who have children means that no matter what laws you pass and no matter

01:01:05.680 what you do, men and women will never be equal in the workforce, period, end of story.

01:01:10.080 Why?

01:01:11.280 If a man wants to have a family, he can say, I will keep working all day and night.

01:01:15.680 I'll work 16 hours a day.

01:01:16.840 I will become the CEO of this company.

01:01:18.440 And then when I go home, I will be with my wife who will have the, who will have kids.

01:01:22.800 She'll be the one who gets pregnant while I'm working.

01:01:25.040 If a woman wants to do the exact same thing, she says, I will have to take time off to have

01:01:30.000 that child.

01:01:30.700 A man does not have to that.

01:01:32.500 No matter how small that, that shift is, it will result in a net negative for women, making

01:01:37.280 it more difficult for them to compete with men in the workplace, men will always be on

01:01:40.880 top for that reason.

01:01:42.280 Or I should say in, in the majority, right?

01:01:45.780 So talking about how do we get women out of these negative situations and there's a biological

01:01:50.980 reality component to it.

01:01:52.600 I don't, I'm not saying, you know, force women to consider them to be a negative situation.

01:01:57.360 Of course, I, I, I don't, I mean, personally in my situation, I, I was married and I ended

01:02:02.840 up getting divorced because my husband didn't like my job.

01:02:05.840 Um, it didn't work for years.

01:02:07.680 I tried, like, I tried to be, um, it used to be that the woman who was married to a

01:02:12.460 man during that time I was not working actually.

01:02:15.960 Well, like I, I, I, I got sick of not working for a little bit.

01:02:19.900 So I try to get like a side job.

01:02:21.320 Of course, those were the times where I got into like, kind of like small part-time jobs.

01:02:26.620 And of course they found out that I was a sex worker and ended up getting fired for sexual

01:02:30.580 harassment and all that nonsense.

01:02:31.720 But, um, then I ended up quitting.

01:02:34.240 He was an amazing provider.

01:02:35.580 He was a great person and I still have a good friendship with him.

01:02:39.420 Um, it didn't work because I wanted to go back to my job.

01:02:43.180 I love my job and four years of marriage gone.

01:02:47.760 I really wanted to bring this up because I was going to ask how I believe marriage is

01:02:52.860 an antidote to almost all of society's problems.

01:02:55.220 Of course, it has to be a good God fearing man and a good standup woman.

01:02:59.740 We can't just have bad people, marry bad people.

01:03:01.420 It doesn't help anybody else, but how are people in the sex work industry, however you

01:03:05.860 want to frame it, how do you expect them to ever get married?

01:03:08.160 Do you expect men to ever want to marry somebody who's had sex with hundreds of men?

01:03:11.740 Do you think, how do you think?

01:03:13.060 Definitely not with a stigma.

01:03:14.500 I mean, the stigma is what is what ultimately is fueling the, the abuse.

01:03:21.220 It's what, it's what fuels the bad laws.

01:03:23.400 It's what fuels women going back into sex work.

01:03:26.820 It, it's what fuels literally the entire situation.

01:03:30.500 So, so the, like the body count stigma, the body counts, the, everything.

01:03:35.020 Well, I think a stigma means something that-

01:03:37.240 Like when we think of sex work, it's, it's the thought that we have been given since we

01:03:42.140 were young, right?

01:03:43.020 Like what, what do we see on TV?

01:03:44.540 Like there was an episode of South Park that I saw last night.

01:03:46.860 It was, it was hilarious, but it was, you know, created by libertarians.

01:03:50.360 So clearly they would do this.

01:03:51.480 Um, just, you know, dirty and full of riddled with STDs and disgusting and fat and gross.

01:03:59.560 And like, of course, like if this is your view of sex work, clearly that's, you're going

01:04:04.320 to dehumanize them.

01:04:05.800 But if you look at them, like a person, like we should look at all people.

01:04:09.940 We are all God's children.

01:04:11.240 And like the movie said, God's children are not for sale.

01:04:16.080 We are not for sale, but we all sell our service.

01:04:19.560 What's the difference between getting me booked here, me doing the show and flying back, which

01:04:24.800 is exactly what I did when I started porn.

01:04:27.480 I came here.

01:04:28.500 There are no sex acts happening here.

01:04:29.940 Right.

01:04:30.320 In exchange for monetary gain.

01:04:32.260 What's the difference between, uh, what's the difference between me hanging out and cutting

01:04:36.280 your head off?

01:04:37.000 Like there's a difference in every situation, you know, this brings a huge difference, but

01:04:41.220 yeah, I'm saying every situation is different.

01:04:43.280 But this does bring up a good question that I alluded to earlier on in the show.

01:04:46.100 If a guy pulls up to, uh, a prostitute in the street and says, wow, you're so beautiful.

01:04:51.500 Want to go on a date with me?

01:04:52.880 And then she says, yes.

01:04:54.040 And he goes, let's go out for dinner.

01:04:55.100 And they go out for dinner.

01:04:56.000 And then he was like, you know what?

01:04:57.540 I know it's soon, but why don't you be my girlfriend?

01:05:00.460 You know, I always take care of my girlfriend.

01:05:01.940 You know what?

01:05:02.280 As my girlfriend, here's an allowance.

01:05:04.500 Is that, is that not prostitution?

01:05:06.480 It is.

01:05:06.800 So is marriage.

01:05:07.560 Marriage is prostitution.

01:05:09.320 What?

01:05:09.920 How?

01:05:10.500 Definitely a hundred percent.

01:05:11.520 He's paying her to sit there and have babies and cook for him.

01:05:16.460 It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

01:05:18.780 I don't think marriage.

01:05:20.700 I don't know.

01:05:21.260 And alimony.

01:05:21.800 Emotionally, physically.

01:05:23.040 Alimony.

01:05:23.280 As soon as they get divorced.

01:05:24.020 Women who are married live longer.

01:05:24.540 But you're not having sex anymore with alimony.

01:05:27.360 Depends.

01:05:27.780 True.

01:05:28.400 I would absolutely disagree.

01:05:29.680 I think marriage, matrimony is beautiful.

01:05:31.460 It was designed by God for a reason.

01:05:32.860 It's supposed to be, but it's not anymore.

01:05:33.260 Both men and women benefit from maybe what you've seen growing up.

01:05:36.800 But from what I've seen, marriage is the most beautiful, rewarding thing.

01:05:39.300 It provides you mental rewards.

01:05:43.080 It provides physical rewards.

01:05:44.500 You get to pass on your seed, essentially, and create new generations, which is God commanded

01:05:49.120 us to create, be plentiful, and multiply.

01:05:52.000 I mean, you have been married before, right?

01:05:53.580 Me?

01:05:53.900 No.

01:05:54.440 Okay.

01:05:54.700 So I'm on my second marriage.

01:05:55.880 Okay.

01:05:56.240 Are you currently married now?

01:05:57.240 Yes, I am currently married now.

01:05:58.460 And my marriage is absolutely wonderful.

01:06:00.640 That's the best marriage I've ever been in my life.

01:06:02.920 It's only the second one, but it's great.

01:06:05.160 And my husband is very supportive of my job.

01:06:06.940 And because of that support, like, your husband's fine with you having sex with other

01:06:11.820 men.

01:06:11.960 No, but you said you were retired.

01:06:13.880 Like, I do it for fun.

01:06:15.720 Like, I still do it for fun because I enjoy it.

01:06:17.320 But I don't do it for monetary gain because I'm independently wealthy.

01:06:21.280 So I don't have to.

01:06:22.520 How's that a marriage?

01:06:23.180 If your husband lets you have sex with other guys, you pay you?

01:06:25.640 Because it is a social construct.

01:06:28.080 Because you signed a piece of paper?

01:06:29.360 That's not what marriage is supposed to be.

01:06:30.860 Like, I married my best friend.

01:06:32.400 What can I say?

01:06:33.180 But then you have sex with other people.

01:06:34.480 That's not marriage's monogamous relationship.

01:06:37.000 That might be a relationship, but that's not a marriage.

01:06:38.320 It's a government contract.

01:06:39.320 That's all it is.

01:06:40.020 It's a government contract between two people that agreed to love each other.

01:06:43.360 That's the exact problem in society.

01:06:45.080 So here's my view is that that's not marriage.

01:06:48.400 That's some social construct.

01:06:50.840 2023.

01:06:51.780 Yeah, using the name of it.

01:06:52.880 Bullshit, yeah.

01:06:53.740 So.

01:06:54.340 But if I'm happy, what matters?

01:06:56.260 Oh, I don't care.

01:06:56.540 That matters if that's not matters.

01:06:57.580 What does it matter to other people as well?

01:06:59.500 Words matter.

01:07:00.040 Like, I'm treated well.

01:07:01.740 Good.

01:07:01.940 I'm a good provider.

01:07:02.860 No, no, that's fantastic.

01:07:03.640 I got an issue with that.

01:07:03.900 Yeah, we're both very happy.

01:07:04.700 I'm just saying that marriage meant something.

01:07:07.240 And then one day they were like, oh, marriage also means other things.

01:07:10.460 And this means other things.

01:07:11.500 And it's like, oh, no, no, hold on.

01:07:12.500 Like, if the idea of marriage was effectively a death contract, right, till death do us part

01:07:17.980 and pre no fault divorce, you couldn't get divorced.

01:07:21.420 I mean, you could under certain circumstances, but judges would be like marriage counseling,

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01:07:25.380 That was marriage.

01:07:26.160 Marriage is like a merger in two people's lives and assets.

01:07:30.120 Now marriage is dating.

01:07:31.480 And it's like you go in there and you're like, I'm gonna sign this paper that says we're dating.

01:07:34.040 It can be dissolved at any time for any reason.

01:07:35.420 I mean, there's no difference between my marriage and anybody else's other than the.

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01:08:38.980 The fact that I have, you know, fun in my job.

01:08:43.220 Other people's marriages are monogamous where when you agree to become one flesh under...

01:08:47.100 To me, it still is monogamous because I'm not out there falling in love with anybody.

01:08:49.940 There is no emotional attachment to anybody.

01:08:51.980 But there's physical.

01:08:52.780 Monogamy is both physical and emotional.

01:08:54.200 But if I go over there and serve as somebody's, you know...

01:08:56.260 Monogamy is committing to one person, but marriage, the whole concept of marriage is that

01:09:00.600 when you become one flesh on the altar under God's eyes, whether you want to take the religious

01:09:04.740 or even the government, when you agree to marry somebody, you agree to be...

01:09:07.600 No, I mean, that's a big difference, the religious and the government.

01:09:09.300 That's a huge difference.

01:09:10.240 Yes, I know.

01:09:11.260 I'm aware.

01:09:11.720 That's why I would say either one, whether you just sign a piece of paper or you believe

01:09:14.740 that you're becoming one flesh under God's eyes for the rest of time, that becomes

01:09:18.000 your soulmate.

01:09:18.640 In Judaism especially, we believe that anyone can be your soulmate.

01:09:21.560 You become a soulmate when you get married because your souls become one.

01:09:25.120 And I just think that that is incongruent with what marriage is.

01:09:28.860 You cannot be open.

01:09:30.480 That's an open marriage, which isn't marriage.

01:09:32.100 Marriage is monogamy.

01:09:33.040 I just looked it up.

01:09:34.140 This is really interesting.

01:09:35.380 Monogamy is pure Greek, meaning single marriage.

01:09:40.500 Single marriage.

01:09:41.500 Instead of polygamy.

01:09:42.340 So as opposed to polygamy, which is, you know, multiple.

01:09:45.720 Mormons.

01:09:46.540 Right, so I don't have any girlfriends or boyfriends.

01:09:48.440 Monos and gamos means single and marriage.

01:09:52.260 Gamos literally meaning marriage.

01:09:53.580 By that Greek definition, you are monogamous.

01:09:56.400 You are married to one person.

01:09:57.480 Yeah.

01:09:58.700 But you're just sexually open.

01:10:01.000 No.

01:10:02.100 I am simply just doing a job that I enjoy.

01:10:05.640 Which allows men to have sex with you.

01:10:08.680 I think that marriage cannot, in the biblical sense of marriage matrimony, it cannot exist.

01:10:14.720 The whole point of it is that you can be secure.

01:10:16.220 You don't have to be afraid that, not even afraid, but it's that security, that ultimate

01:10:19.580 security.

01:10:20.020 I'm committing to you.

01:10:20.820 I will never be with anyone else besides you for the rest of my life.

01:10:23.480 I don't feel insecure in my marriage, though.

01:10:24.400 And he definitely does not.

01:10:26.060 So, I mean.

01:10:26.320 But this is the thing.

01:10:27.220 It might work for you, but it's definitely not going to work for everyone.

01:10:29.780 Which is okay.

01:10:30.600 That's okay.

01:10:31.260 I think that's the point.

01:10:32.320 I feel like you're describing marriage as, say, like a nice artisanal brie.

01:10:36.680 And you're describing like American pasteurized processed cheese product.

01:10:40.180 Okay.

01:10:40.540 So, I'm not saying it to be a dick.

01:10:42.000 I love both.

01:10:42.760 What I mean is, for the longest time, marriage was a death contract.

01:10:47.880 Cheating was like, you'd get in serious trouble for having a relationship in any capacity.

01:10:51.820 And it's a good thing we don't have that anymore, because that'd be insane.

01:10:54.840 I completely disagree.

01:10:55.640 Adultery is a reason for divorce.

01:10:56.940 Death penalty for cheating?

01:10:58.320 Death penalty.

01:10:58.760 I never said death penalty.

01:10:59.560 I mean, like, you'd say people would get like.

01:11:01.240 Very serious penalties.

01:11:02.020 Like, you'd lose your assets and things like that.

01:11:03.760 Yeah, you'd be shunned.

01:11:05.040 If two people consensually agree to merge their lives, there are paths to dissolving that.

01:11:12.460 But the idea that you can enter into this contract and leave at any time for any reason.

01:11:17.680 There's no leaving, though.

01:11:18.920 I don't intend on leaving.

01:11:20.360 Not you personally.

01:11:21.060 I'm talking about marriage was till death do us part.

01:11:23.940 And then Ronald Reagan and who else?

01:11:26.580 Was it like Jimmy Carter or something?

01:11:28.540 When was no fault divorce?

01:11:29.280 It was like the 50s.

01:11:29.960 It started to come about.

01:11:30.640 All of a sudden, it was just like, nah, marriage is dating now.

01:11:34.680 And that's like.

01:11:35.500 If you don't like him anymore, you can just say goodbye.

01:11:37.480 It used to be a master craft to make a delicious cheese.

01:11:40.200 And we call it cheese.

01:11:40.720 And then one day, some guy was like, I can emulsify cream and put salt in it.

01:11:43.420 Something happened in the 70s.

01:11:45.100 So, so is American cheese actually cheese?

01:11:49.100 That's my, that's my point.

01:11:50.040 It's like, legally, it's not.

01:11:51.960 But people call it cheese anyway.

01:11:53.740 I think, in my view, you're dating a guy.

01:11:56.760 You're not married.

01:11:58.200 But legally, you'd call it marriage.

01:12:01.340 There's something we talked about.

01:12:02.720 I can't remember which state.

01:12:03.360 Maybe Alabama created covenant marriage, people mentioned.

01:12:06.300 Because of the degeneration of marriage as an institution, they've created super marriage,

01:12:13.220 which is effectively marriage as it's always been.

01:12:15.780 Oh, yeah.

01:12:16.520 I've heard of that.

01:12:17.860 Right.

01:12:18.520 But the idea that you're like, you know what?

01:12:21.280 I am married, even though I don't do anything related to the traditional responsibilities of marriage.

01:12:27.100 That's why I'm like, the word doesn't mean what it meant.

01:12:31.340 And now it's like, you know, some guy driving a Bentley and someone else is driving, you know, a rundown rebuilt thing.

01:12:37.320 And they're like, we have the same car.

01:12:38.340 It's like, well, you don't.

01:12:39.880 Well, that's also in a situation where if they're getting abused verbally or mentally or physically or something, that they can't leave.

01:12:46.200 That's not true.

01:12:47.180 That's not true.

01:12:47.640 You can totally divorce somebody for abuse.

01:12:49.040 Like an ultra.

01:12:50.140 That's not true.

01:12:51.000 That's not true.

01:12:51.620 You can always divorce somebody who's domestically violent.

01:12:54.000 Yeah.

01:12:54.200 No fault.

01:12:54.620 Divorce was like, you don't need a reason.

01:12:56.240 It's like Tim and I get married.

01:12:57.120 I'm like, Tim, you're not letting me get enough cats.

01:12:59.300 They do this.

01:12:59.620 They go to Vegas.

01:12:59.960 Gotta go.

01:13:00.840 Like the idea, like they'll go to Vegas to get married.

01:13:03.120 Celebrities have fake marriages for PR and then annul it right away.

01:13:06.040 Kim Kardashian's 72-hour marriage.

01:13:08.120 Do you guys remember that?

01:13:08.940 That's not marriage.

01:13:09.980 That was like a three-night stand.

01:13:11.560 I was going to say, it's a fling.

01:13:13.880 Yeah.

01:13:14.120 But at large, I think that this alludes to the negative feedback loop of men and women in society

01:13:20.500 where if women accept less from men, men will put less forward.

01:13:24.160 It's the same thing with this idea of like courting women that doesn't really happen anymore.

01:13:28.140 But men used to have to really try to win women over.

01:13:30.180 They're like, you're so beautiful.

01:13:31.460 Really make you want to make a lot of money.

01:13:33.540 To provide for that.

01:13:34.300 Yeah.

01:13:34.480 Listen, trust me.

01:13:35.240 I definitely advocate for a lot of the things that you're saying.

01:13:38.800 I think that women should be definitely more modest.

01:13:41.340 I think that they definitely should be more God-fearing.

01:13:43.460 I definitely think that they should be 100% loyal to their husbands.

01:13:47.160 I think that they, everything that you're saying,

01:13:48.960 I 100% agree.

01:13:52.040 The only thing that I am concerned about are the less fortunate people that are not married,

01:13:58.560 that are not dealing with the privileged life that we get to live right now.

01:14:02.960 Because we're pretty freaking privileged.

01:14:06.180 I mean, it's pretty obvious.

01:14:07.240 We all lead pretty good lives, but that's not everybody right now.

01:14:12.660 I guess it depends on what you mean by privileged.

01:14:15.180 I mean, privileged as in, we're okay, we're happy, we're wealthy.

01:14:22.180 I mean, I don't know about, honestly, I don't know your financial situation, but we're doing

01:14:26.960 all right, right?

01:14:28.340 So, I mean, not everybody is.

01:14:30.480 And these are the people that we need to think about right now.

01:14:32.000 I guess the question there is, is privilege a reference to...

01:14:37.540 Like, get off the ivory tower for a minute.

01:14:39.680 You know what I mean?

01:14:40.080 Like, we need to think, like, that kind of, like, privilege.

01:14:43.120 But it's, like, you know, in my instance, for example, like, I had a relatively rough

01:14:49.460 upbringing, not the worst, but on the bottom, lower end of the spectrum.

01:14:53.640 Right.

01:14:53.900 And I had to work really, really hard, and I was homeless several times.

01:14:56.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:14:56.880 Like, I mean, there's...

01:14:58.340 So is it, I don't know if I would consider it...

01:15:00.500 To where we are in our lives right now, is what I'm saying.

01:15:02.580 Like, not, like, how we got there.

01:15:03.780 I'm sure that, like, we...

01:15:06.000 I have no idea how you got here in your life.

01:15:08.320 I'm sure you have no idea how I got here in my life.

01:15:09.980 I don't know how you got here in your life either, but right now, we're all doing pretty

01:15:13.980 damn good.

01:15:14.720 But so I try to draw...

01:15:16.440 Is that privilege or hard work in reaping the benefits?

01:15:18.720 Okay, hard work.

01:15:19.460 That's okay.

01:15:20.200 But we can rephrase that.

01:15:21.400 Like, the distinction between some people who are in hard conditions, but can't get out

01:15:27.360 versus people who are born privileged, like they were born with benefits and advantages

01:15:31.380 and things like that.

01:15:32.400 Right.

01:15:32.680 But I certainly would agree that today...

01:15:34.540 Like, people without two parents and...

01:15:36.320 I feel extremely blessed.

01:15:37.400 I thank God every single day for all my blessings.

01:15:39.000 But I feel like we rushed over a very important thing where you said you 100% agree with the

01:15:43.580 idea that women should be loyal, 100% loyal to their husbands, but then you're not.

01:15:46.920 So how does that work?

01:15:48.060 I still feel loyal.

01:15:49.660 But I don't want everyone...

01:15:50.760 Feel loyal.

01:15:50.780 I don't want or need everybody to follow my lifestyle.

01:15:53.560 I'm not encouraging my lifestyle.

01:15:54.900 My lifestyle works for me.

01:15:56.480 I can't guarantee it for everybody else.

01:15:58.340 So it's very niche.

01:16:00.420 It's very, like, not usual.

01:16:04.420 So I can confidently say that it works for me, but I cannot confidently say that it will

01:16:09.120 work for literally anybody else.

01:16:12.400 So, um...

01:16:13.520 Yeah, I understand that.

01:16:14.220 Like, I don't want anybody to take these risks, these unnecessary risks, because they're

01:16:18.340 like, oh, look, well, she can do it.

01:16:20.260 Well, I can do it, too.

01:16:21.260 Well, there's a good chance that you can't.

01:16:22.980 You know, I've been in this industry for 10 years.

01:16:24.860 I've been studying it professionally for seven years.

01:16:27.360 There's a 99% chance that you're not going to do very well if you try to do what I do.

01:16:31.440 Well, that's the thing, too.

01:16:32.200 Only fans, like, the real number is, like, the average woman makes a couple hundred bucks

01:16:36.420 or less.

01:16:38.320 There's very, very few women who are successful on it.

01:16:40.860 And there's no difference between, like, say, Patreon and OnlyFans in terms of financial

01:16:45.560 gain.

01:16:46.220 So what people see on Patreon, they see, like, um...

01:16:49.500 I don't know that woman's name.

01:16:50.460 She did the weird anime sex faces or whatever.

01:16:52.300 And then she was making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month.

01:16:55.020 And then she started doing...

01:16:56.380 I think she started doing...

01:16:57.040 Bella Porch?

01:16:57.980 The Poach?

01:16:58.700 The TikToker?

01:17:00.120 No, I don't know.

01:17:00.920 I don't know who these women are.

01:17:02.180 All I know is, like, there were some women who would make, like, anime sex faces or something

01:17:07.120 like that.

01:17:07.500 Oh, yeah.

01:17:07.700 God.

01:17:08.560 I don't know her name.

01:17:09.520 But she was getting hundreds of thousands of a month on Patreon.

01:17:11.980 And it wasn't...

01:17:13.280 Like, you know what?

01:17:14.500 Like, it wasn't technically porn.

01:17:16.440 There are channels, like the NPC women...

01:17:23.040 Oh, my gosh.

01:17:23.800 That is very obviously dudes beating off to it.

01:17:26.160 Right.

01:17:26.640 I mean, but then there's the HBO.

01:17:28.160 There's people on HBO who are having sex.

01:17:29.960 Are they porn stars, too?

01:17:31.000 That's a whole other thing that I have a huge problem with.

01:17:33.420 I hate how sexualized TV is.

01:17:35.040 You can't go to a single movie with your parents these days.

01:17:37.860 Oppenheimer.

01:17:38.760 There's boobs on the screen for 20 minutes of the whole movie.

01:17:40.740 Like, you can't go to...

01:17:41.860 You can't watch any TV with your family now.

01:17:43.580 But she doesn't leave that studio and say, I'm a sex worker now and not be able to get

01:17:47.040 any other job.

01:17:48.120 You know, like, there's...

01:17:49.040 Like, what is porn?

01:17:50.520 Like, we see fake sex scenes.

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01:18:53.540 And in movies all the time.

01:18:57.220 So I think I had a problem with that too.

01:18:59.780 Why does the AVN awards exist?

01:19:01.760 Like, why do they have to be separate from the Grammy awards?

01:19:04.820 I think it's impossible for people who are in sex work to, while you're looking up, just a little change of topic.

01:19:10.240 Like, I think it's impossible for people who are in sex work to have successful marriages, let alone have marriages at all.

01:19:15.520 Because it does something to you psychologically when you have sex with hundreds of men or even more than, even like 50 men.

01:19:21.400 If you have sex with a lot of men, every single time you have sex with somebody, it affects your ability to bond with your husband down the line.

01:19:26.680 And that's a big reason that Ben Shapiro has spoken about this.

01:19:29.160 That if you have sex with more than three people before you get married, I believe, you're like 50% more likely to get divorced.

01:19:34.540 There's some crazy statistics about how having sex before marriage can really affect your brain and the bonding chemicals that you release after sex.

01:19:41.100 So I do think that it sets women up who, if they ever want to get married down the line, it kind of makes that nearly impossible.

01:19:46.360 And that's not even speaking about how disgusted a man would be with a woman who had sex with hundreds of men.

01:19:50.840 Because I would be disgusted if a man.

01:19:52.780 I mean.

01:19:53.340 Yeah, majority, a good, righteous person should find it gross that somebody would do that.

01:19:57.540 Because as a woman, if a man said he had sex with 200 women, I would be disgusted.

01:19:59.680 Right, so how are these women supposed to get out of it is what I'm saying.

01:20:02.140 How are they supposed to get out of it with jobs?

01:20:04.040 How are they supposed to get out of it if marriage is supposed to be the option?

01:20:07.400 Marriage was destroyed.

01:20:08.800 I think the author.

01:20:09.340 So there is no out.

01:20:10.580 We need to make sure that the women that are in there are safe.

01:20:13.000 Decriminalizing isn't the out.

01:20:13.900 It is the out.

01:20:14.860 I mean, decriminalizing makes it safer.

01:20:17.760 It makes it less of a.

01:20:18.140 Law's not going to solve anything.

01:20:19.500 The law.

01:20:19.980 The less of a law.

01:20:20.920 No, I'm saying.

01:20:22.700 Decriminalization will fix it.

01:20:23.920 I mean, it's been proven in New Zealand.

01:20:26.520 I disagree.

01:20:26.940 I disagree as well.

01:20:28.100 So keeping it.

01:20:28.960 So keeping it.

01:20:29.820 I'm not saying that.

01:20:30.580 I'm saying policy is not the solution to cultural problems.

01:20:33.300 That's what I was saying with marriage and lifting everybody up.

01:20:35.420 If we as a society.

01:20:36.180 I'm not saying it's easy to solve these problems.

01:20:37.660 So I mean, they should just live in.

01:20:39.600 I'm not saying we should do nothing.

01:20:40.640 And I'm not saying don't decriminalize.

01:20:41.760 I'm saying the idea that.

01:20:44.040 See, here's what will happen.

01:20:45.600 You will say, let's do this policy.

01:20:47.000 It will change things.

01:20:48.660 Some ways in the better, some ways in the worse.

01:20:50.000 But it will not solve the cultural problem.

01:20:51.560 Right.

01:20:51.720 And that's where we.

01:20:52.640 That's where we come in.

01:20:54.200 But we can't do that until it is decriminalized.

01:20:56.240 I want to play this video for you.

01:20:57.420 There's certain things that we can't do because it's a crime.

01:21:00.500 Because it's a crime right now.

01:21:01.740 There's nothing that we can do about it.

01:21:03.660 Like simply even speaking out about it is sometimes dangerous.

01:21:06.840 Like I'm putting my life at risk even talking about it.

01:21:10.040 Like there's some things that, you know.

01:21:12.340 Certainly traffickers get.

01:21:13.520 Sure.

01:21:13.800 For sure.

01:21:14.080 You're angry when prominent people and you can be at risk if you're speaking out.

01:21:17.520 But it's true for a lot of politics.

01:21:18.920 I want to jump to this subject.

01:21:20.020 I want to play this video for you guys.

01:21:21.220 You familiar with Poppy?

01:21:23.500 Um, yes.

01:21:24.320 She's got great music.

01:21:25.320 I'm a fan.

01:21:26.040 It's like the drink?

01:21:27.120 No, no, no.

01:21:27.540 It's a woman.

01:21:28.180 I'm going to play this video for you.

01:21:29.200 Is the audio on?

01:21:29.660 No, no, no.

01:21:36.420 It's the hands.

01:21:38.380 Why are the hands here?

01:21:40.820 They're trying to touch me.

01:21:43.320 Stop the hands.

01:21:45.420 They're going to grab me.

01:21:48.060 I don't want the hands to grab me.

01:21:51.120 That's fucking cool.

01:21:59.660 Stop these hands.

01:22:08.860 Stop the hands.

01:22:10.820 Let me just ask you.

01:22:11.820 Why do you think it is this has 344,000 views?

01:22:14.700 Oh, fucking weirdos, man.

01:22:17.020 Or people sincerely worried maybe about her?

01:22:20.180 No, she's a performance artist who acts like she used to do more of this stuff.

01:22:24.460 Now it's more music.

01:22:25.400 Her music is great.

01:22:25.900 I love her music, by the way.

01:22:27.200 But she has a lot of videos that are very much like this.

01:22:29.660 And like, yo, come on.

01:22:30.940 Can I give me a real answer?

01:22:31.420 Everybody knows what this video is for.

01:22:34.640 It's for men who want to simulate like women who are not into it, essentially.

01:22:38.600 Guys cranking it.

01:22:39.900 Yeah, I recently tweeted something.

01:22:41.840 Do you believe in the patriarchy?

01:22:45.720 What do you mean by the patriarchy?

01:22:47.500 Do you believe it exists at all?

01:22:48.840 Like, do you believe it has some sort of effect on any part of it?

01:22:51.120 Yeah, what do you mean?

01:22:51.680 Like, how so?

01:22:53.120 Like, define the patriarchy.

01:22:53.960 In general.

01:22:54.440 Like, do you believe that there is a patriarchy at all in society?

01:22:58.720 I keep asking.

01:22:59.240 Like, what do you mean by a patriarchy specifically?

01:23:00.880 Because a lot of people, when they say it, they mean different things.

01:23:03.000 I want to know what you actually mean by the patriarchy.

01:23:04.920 By that, I mean, like, men are ruling everything.

01:23:07.900 They are the cause of everything.

01:23:09.640 They are the answer to everything.

01:23:11.300 They are the everything.

01:23:14.060 They are literally, you know, women are sub to men in every way, shape, or form.

01:23:16.620 I do believe in the patriarchy.

01:23:18.680 I love men.

01:23:19.860 I love having men lead.

01:23:21.380 I think that it is ignorant to say that women do not have the major supporting roles behind all of these great men.

01:23:28.900 And, you know, a great man has a great woman behind him and vice versa.

01:23:31.840 But I love men, so I have no problem with men leading society.

01:23:35.520 I don't think women should be barred from having members, like, being involved in society, holding political office.

01:23:40.020 I think women should be able to do all of that.

01:23:41.960 But I definitely am not opposed to men running society and women getting to go to shopping and baking cookies and doing all the fun things.

01:23:49.640 I think there is, to a certain extent, patriarchy, but nothing's absolute.

01:23:54.100 It's probably, like, 60-40.

01:23:56.120 So there's a couple points in there.

01:23:57.720 One, men try to woo women.

01:24:00.800 As they should.

01:24:01.860 But you've got a large quantity of men who are simps or white knights who will agree with the stupidest shit imaginable if they think it'll get them laid.

01:24:09.240 I think these are mostly, like, male feminist types.

01:24:12.120 That's why you find—

01:24:12.860 Lucky.

01:24:13.860 Perhaps.

01:24:14.680 I mean, not always, though.

01:24:16.180 Aggressive, manipulative, sociopathic.

01:24:18.140 That's true, yeah.

01:24:18.860 You—you—you—what's the meme?

01:24:20.940 The meme was hashtag reset the clock for a male feminist to be exposed as a rapist and sexual predator because it keeps happening.

01:24:28.020 It's not so much, you know, in social media, but 10 years ago throughout the earlier culture wars, it would be like this man was exposed as a predator who was abusing women and he was a male feminist.

01:24:36.980 And it's like, right, they're called in biology—this is the literal term.

01:24:41.480 I am not making this up.

01:24:42.760 In biology, there is a phrase, sneaky fucker.

01:24:46.240 Really?

01:24:46.600 That's the actual biological term.

01:24:48.860 And it's just—it would describe a situation where there is a dominant male who takes the women and then there is a submissive weaker male who sneaks in the middle of the night to procreate.

01:24:57.660 To procreate.

01:24:58.520 Two strategies.

01:24:59.400 One, the dominant male—

01:25:00.860 Sheep and the wolf.

01:25:02.080 Yeah, the dominant male commands.

01:25:05.100 And then in order to procreate, the sneaky fucker goes in.

01:25:08.220 And so that's typically how we refer to people like male feminists.

01:25:11.540 But that's the actual biological term.

01:25:12.980 So, of course, you know—

01:25:13.820 I'll trust that science.

01:25:15.120 It is, you know, and—

01:25:16.500 Right.

01:25:17.260 That is—

01:25:17.660 But it's not like the insult fucker.

01:25:20.660 It's like a sneaky one who procreates is a better way to describe it, but they say sneaky fucker.

01:25:25.880 And that is, unfortunately, a lot of men.

01:25:28.180 So, going back to the idea of this patriarchy, the idea that there are men who believe they are women who are gaining preference in all spaces is an indicator of male dominance to a certain degree.

01:25:43.460 But it's actually very, very simple.

01:25:46.360 Testosterone makes you more assertive and aggressive.

01:25:48.760 And therefore, people with more testosterone are more likely to be dominating in society.

01:25:53.100 And therefore, males in any capacity have a tendency towards domination over females.

01:25:58.880 Over everyone.

01:26:00.220 Right.

01:26:00.500 So, if you want to say that's patriarchy, I'll be like, well, it's unsurprising.

01:26:03.880 I mean, you've got a bunch of angry males taking women's hormones and then becoming, like, violent in some sort.

01:26:12.460 I'm not saying all trans people or anything like that.

01:26:14.160 I'm saying—

01:26:14.540 No.

01:26:14.760 I mean, definitely.

01:26:15.380 Those are the phonies.

01:26:16.480 There are bad people.

01:26:17.440 Hormonal imbalances can create significant problems.

01:26:19.240 And this was a conversation I had a few months ago about a lot of these men who transition or at least try to transition, because I don't truly believe you could change your gender.

01:26:27.140 But these men who start taking estrogen, all of their problems and feelings could have possibly been fixed, not 100%, but it's crazy that they don't try testosterone before they try estrogen.

01:26:36.600 They come in with all these feelings—

01:26:38.000 That's actually an interesting—

01:26:38.700 And they're like, transition me, rather than just being treated as if they're a male who's lacking certain hormones that they need.

01:26:43.900 I want to add one more to the point.

01:26:46.900 Biological males are competing in female sports.

01:26:51.180 But biological females are not competing in male sports.

01:26:53.800 Right.

01:26:54.560 That is—you call whatever you want, but that is another indication of patriarchy, of male dominance in social spaces.

01:27:00.300 Females do not dominate in male spaces, even when they take testosterone.

01:27:03.500 I think it's in this world and society that—well, honestly, I don't have a problem with that.

01:27:12.880 Like, I am fine with the men leading and the women following situation.

01:27:16.240 I think, if anything, that's easier, as long as women still have the ability and freedom to do what they want.

01:27:21.200 But just speaking from my own experience, even though I agree with this idea of men leading and stuff,

01:27:26.000 I have never had a man or anyone stand in my way of getting what I want.

01:27:30.960 I've been in the political space for four and a half years now.

01:27:32.940 I've accomplished every single goal and dream that I have set out thus far.

01:27:36.160 I've had to create new dreams and goals multiple times because I keep accomplishing all of them.

01:27:40.100 No man, woman, or anyone has ever stood in my way of me getting what I wanted.

01:27:44.200 And I've never had a problem accomplishing my dreams.

01:27:47.140 How old are you?

01:27:47.380 23.

01:27:48.260 23?

01:27:48.900 Oh, my gosh.

01:27:50.040 I thought we were the same age.

01:27:51.340 How old are you?

01:27:52.020 I'm 27.

01:27:52.640 Oh, actually, I'm turning 28 on August 3rd, so.

01:27:54.860 Happy early birthday.

01:27:55.760 Oh, happy birthday.

01:27:56.960 By what age do you think you should be married?

01:28:00.620 Should?

01:28:01.360 I think an ideal age to get married is 26 or 25, 26.

01:28:05.760 Back in the day, it was super young.

01:28:07.960 Oh, all my friends, a lot of my friends got married within like the past month, actually,

01:28:11.360 because I had like four weddings in a week.

01:28:12.880 It's been crazy.

01:28:13.800 A lot of my friends, especially I was raised modern Orthodox in New York City, Jewish community.

01:28:17.920 Almost all my friends have gotten married and not all of my close friends, but a lot of people

01:28:21.260 in my community have gotten married from age 18 through the past few years.

01:28:24.140 It's very, very common, normal.

01:28:25.740 I think it's beautiful and amazing.

01:28:27.600 It's just every, you know, to each their own.

01:28:29.940 Do you think that when you get married, you'll stop working, have a family, be more traditional?

01:28:35.720 Stop working.

01:28:36.720 It depends what kind of work.

01:28:37.960 I would love to be a stay-at-home mom.

01:28:40.100 I think that's amazing.

01:28:40.980 I love all the little things.

01:28:42.060 I love cooking.

01:28:42.660 I love baking.

01:28:43.240 I love decorating.

01:28:44.000 All the little things.

01:28:44.640 Very rewarding.

01:28:45.100 Yeah, it's much great.

01:28:46.940 But I also think with me, I have the ability to do a lot of things at once, and I would always

01:28:52.260 like to have something on my own.

01:28:53.880 It doesn't have to be the grand scheme of like being a CEO of a company or being a lawyer

01:28:57.540 or any of these things.

01:28:58.320 But, you know, if I decide to become a stay-at-home mom full time, maybe I'll open like a little

01:29:01.780 cat rescue shelter situation that I do on the side, or I can help battered women in situations

01:29:06.600 find things out.

01:29:07.560 Like there's always something that I would love to be involved in outside of family, just

01:29:11.420 that I can continue putting what God blessed me with and my skills out into the world and

01:29:15.440 hopefully make the world a better place while also raising better humans.

01:29:18.040 I think an important distinction in, you know, the conversation about women having jobs and

01:29:22.620 stuff is that women have always had jobs, just different jobs than men.

01:29:26.740 The idea was hunter-gatherer.

01:29:28.500 And I was reading about how women can be what's called a tetrachromat.

01:29:33.620 You guys know what that is?

01:29:34.540 No.

01:29:34.700 They can, they have four, four cones and rods that have three men can't be tetrachromats.

01:29:39.240 If a man has the gene for, uh, uh, to be one, they will more likely be colorblind or something

01:29:45.500 like that.

01:29:46.160 And this means that women can see more colors.

01:29:48.640 Uh, not all women, some women could be tetrachromats and they say something like, if you look at

01:29:52.740 the clouds and you can see a purple hue or whatever, you're a tetrachromat, you can take

01:29:56.080 a test for it.

01:29:56.940 That means you're seeing more colors than other people.

01:29:58.960 And you know why?

01:30:00.120 Because women picked berries.

01:30:02.100 Wow.

01:30:02.460 Something like that.

01:30:03.800 I mean, I look, I'm, I don't know that I just, I was reading a few articles on it and, uh,

01:30:07.560 women would go out and they would collect berries and fruits and being able, I got to tell you,

01:30:12.900 we go, we have all these fruits and berries all over the place and I'm looking for blackberries

01:30:18.160 and I'm looking for, uh, the white berries are really easy to spot because they have these

01:30:21.860 thorny red brambles and they're bright red.

01:30:24.260 Somebody told me to look for those while I was here.

01:30:26.320 Yeah.

01:30:26.660 Well, they're excited.

01:30:27.500 We're out of season, but there are grapes everywhere.

01:30:30.000 And right now the grapes are green and when I'm riding past this tree with a covering

01:30:35.440 grapevine, if I look at it, I see nothing but leaves.

01:30:38.560 If I stop and look really, really closely, I can start to see the grapes and holy shit,

01:30:42.740 they're everywhere.

01:30:43.480 I'm so excited.

01:30:44.160 Like tens of thousands of them.

01:30:45.240 But, um, there are, there are certain, certain, uh, plants, black raspberry, for instance,

01:30:50.320 where, you know, I'll have to go up and I'll have to look and try and see it for women who

01:30:54.340 have better, uh, who can see better conscious different colors.

01:30:58.100 They're going to more easily see where the fruits and berries are.

01:31:00.360 And so anyway, my point is if you go back to the dawn of human tribal civilization or whatever

01:31:05.960 with hunter gatherer societies, women were working, they just weren't fighting bears.

01:31:09.660 You know, the men would go off and hunt and fish and the women would walk around collecting

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01:31:17.880 It's just substantially less dangerous.

01:31:19.820 Even more reason than that.

01:31:20.640 So I wonder what the argument is for, for women to stop working if we're so.

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01:32:24.840 How long it worked out so well.

01:32:26.700 For women to be working.

01:32:28.300 Well, it's different work.

01:32:28.980 It's that women don't have to work in like corporate America because taking care of your

01:32:32.220 children, cooking for your family, cleaning.

01:32:34.500 Right, like they'd have their baby on them.

01:32:35.260 Those are jobs.

01:32:35.420 They're picking.

01:32:36.380 Yeah.

01:32:36.820 I mean, you should see the women in the subways in the city in the summer.

01:32:39.400 There's these Hispanic women who come.

01:32:41.180 They strap their babies to their back.

01:32:42.360 They sell candy bars every day.

01:32:43.940 It's been a thing in New York.

01:32:45.360 It's just what happens in the summertime.

01:32:46.580 There's also little kids who sell chocolate for their basketball teams.

01:32:49.140 Like it's just they sell cut up fruit.

01:32:50.940 It's just the way that it is.

01:32:52.020 But I think even more recent, a really good example is that cleaning in the home.

01:32:56.740 Women weren't just buying Clorox and, you know, Lysol.

01:32:59.360 They had to create their own cleaning supplies.

01:33:01.100 Women had to become essentially chemists in like the late 1900s or late 1800s, 19th century,

01:33:08.980 where women would have to know how to use things like borax and baking soda.

01:33:12.240 These are intense chemicals that you can create a lot of things with.

01:33:16.160 And so they had to become essentially chemists, scientists to be able to clean their home without emitting toxic chemicals to their family.

01:33:21.600 So it's definitely a job.

01:33:23.140 But in terms of submitting to, yeah, in terms of submitting to a corporate boss in a company, whereas submitting to your husband and your family,

01:33:31.780 I think that job benefits your family, whereas that other job benefits a company who doesn't really care about you at the end of the day because blood is thicker than water.

01:33:39.460 So, like, the interesting thing when I was thinking about this is that men and women had jobs.

01:33:44.260 Women weren't just raising babies.

01:33:47.000 They were, you know, they were foraging as well and watching the kids.

01:33:50.680 And men were protecting and hunting and things like that.

01:33:53.480 And there's, you know, different societies and different people had different ways of going about these things.

01:33:58.620 But then all of a sudden, men aren't hunting either.

01:34:01.680 Women aren't gathering.

01:34:02.700 Men aren't hunting.

01:34:03.340 Guys are sitting in an office room typing on a computer doing some, like, tedious task and filing TPS reports or something like this.

01:34:11.540 And then the question becomes what's – like, it's not the same as it's ever been.

01:34:16.860 And so work is something entirely different and unique.

01:34:19.460 And now I think the issue is humans are outside of evolution.

01:34:24.400 Right.

01:34:25.180 Our brains have not caught up with technology.

01:34:27.580 And I don't think it's possible.

01:34:29.020 It's a really interesting thing.

01:34:30.300 I love that line from the movie Snatch where the guy's drinking milk or whatever, like Jason Statham, and the other guys, like, milk is out of sync with evolution.

01:34:37.360 You shouldn't drink it because human technological advancement is exponentially growing and rapid.

01:34:43.600 But human biological development is where we were 50,000 years ago.

01:34:48.100 So now we have these gender norms that were constructed around human tribal life, which existed for tens of thousands of years.

01:34:56.300 Yeah.

01:34:56.400 Now everything's rapidly changing.

01:34:57.700 Like, our brains can't even handle Twitter properly.

01:34:59.900 I'm sorry, X.

01:35:01.060 The app is now changed.

01:35:02.220 We can't handle this rapid flow of information.

01:35:04.060 Use Twitter as proper pronouns.

01:35:04.860 Yeah.

01:35:05.520 We don't want a dead name X.

01:35:07.540 You know what I mean?

01:35:08.340 I'm going to report you.

01:35:09.160 Oh, my goodness.

01:35:09.640 Yeah.

01:35:10.200 But anyway, my point is we often talk about traditional gender norms and gender roles and stuff and women being married.

01:35:16.240 But even by today's standards, work is dramatically different from where it was back then.

01:35:21.060 Maybe, you know, warfare, fire brigade, these things were more dangerous.

01:35:24.040 But now trying to adapt society to rapidly changing technology, I think, is one of the big hurdles.

01:35:30.720 Yeah.

01:35:31.020 And it's this constant negative feedback loop.

01:35:33.240 I've had this.

01:35:33.780 This just plays into everything in life.

01:35:35.140 Dating, marriage, relationships, work, just everything.

01:35:37.680 When women expect less, men provide less.

01:35:39.540 And then it just keeps going like that.

01:35:40.900 And bringing it back to like the sugar baby idea where whether it's like, oh, you'll be my girlfriend.

01:35:45.540 I'll just fund your things.

01:35:46.400 I don't think that that is ever how it's supposed to be because that leads women to say, oh, I don't have to lift a finger.

01:35:52.240 I can just have everything taken care of.

01:35:53.720 He buys me food.

01:35:54.700 He cleans.

01:35:55.060 He shops.

01:35:55.380 He whatever.

01:35:55.880 He does it all for me.

01:35:56.840 I just have to be there and be pretty.

01:35:58.320 I think that is not compatible with biology either.

01:36:01.880 I mean, sugar baby definitely is sex work.

01:36:04.240 Yeah.

01:36:04.520 I think, well, even outside of sex work, I just think that women need something in life to feel fulfilling.

01:36:09.660 Women need to have a purpose.

01:36:10.660 Everyone needs to have a purpose.

01:36:11.920 That's why people have jobs to get fulfilled and to.

01:36:15.000 Yes.

01:36:15.600 No.

01:36:15.900 Oh, yes.

01:36:16.720 So I think with the sugar baby thing that it creates a lot of difficulties and that that should not be accepted.

01:36:21.280 And it creates this idea that women should either do everything in a relationship because it creates like two types of men for women to choose from now.

01:36:29.220 The men who sit on their ass playing video games.

01:36:31.200 Why don't you order me pizza?

01:36:32.360 Just literally do nothing for themselves.

01:36:34.340 Dirty clothing.

01:36:35.280 Wash my laundry.

01:36:36.120 And then sugar daddies who provide everything and women don't have to work or do anything at all.

01:36:39.760 And that's just not realistic.

01:36:41.180 It's a partnership.

01:36:42.120 Marriage is a 50-50 partnership.

01:36:43.720 Sometimes it's more.

01:36:44.440 Sometimes it's less on either side.

01:36:46.120 But you're a team.

01:36:47.140 And I just really disagree with society's modern day relationships.

01:36:51.040 And they're really sad to see.

01:36:52.220 There's that song by Lana Del Rey, Video Games.

01:36:54.480 You ever hear it?

01:36:55.040 No.

01:36:55.540 And it's just like, I just find it to be super cringe.

01:36:57.820 Oh.

01:36:58.180 She's like, it's you for you.

01:36:59.020 It's all for you.

01:36:59.540 Go play a video game or something like that.

01:37:01.060 Oh, Video Games by Lana Del Rey.

01:37:02.140 Oh, I know that one.

01:37:03.260 Actually, it's you.

01:37:03.440 I was just listening to that the other day.

01:37:04.620 There's the Meghan Trainor song about, I am your mother.

01:37:08.920 You listen to me.

01:37:10.240 What?

01:37:11.200 She's singing about a man.

01:37:12.860 And she's like, stop all that mansplaining.

01:37:14.940 No one's listening.

01:37:15.700 She was singing this song about men.

01:37:16.940 And I heard it.

01:37:17.540 I was like, you're saying you're his mommy?

01:37:19.860 That's disgusting, you freak.

01:37:22.080 It is also weird when there's the-

01:37:24.120 She's married with a child.

01:37:25.740 Yeah.

01:37:26.100 So I've got-

01:37:27.460 Freak alert.

01:37:28.080 I have bad news for you, probably.

01:37:29.600 I don't know if it's bad news for you.

01:37:30.680 I have good news for you.

01:37:32.120 You got me a cat?

01:37:32.840 No, sex work is going to cease to exist.

01:37:35.440 Baruch Hashem.

01:37:36.100 Oh.

01:37:36.720 Completely and entirely.

01:37:38.240 How come?

01:37:38.640 AI.

01:37:38.940 Forever?

01:37:40.160 Artificial intelligence.

01:37:41.100 People will-

01:37:41.340 Well, you know, if that's the case-

01:37:42.340 How's that physical, though?

01:37:43.600 No, no, no.

01:37:43.980 So-

01:37:44.700 Just like online?

01:37:46.120 What's already happening-

01:37:47.560 Not in my lifetime.

01:37:48.860 On Instagram, I think OnlyFans, done.

01:37:52.900 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:37:53.600 It will exist, but it's going to be guys making AI women for other guys.

01:37:58.300 And women will not-

01:37:59.700 So it's like trans men or trans women and-

01:38:02.820 No, no, no, no.

01:38:03.760 It's going to be a guy who's going to go on his computer.

01:38:06.480 He's going to create templates for women.

01:38:08.860 He's going to put in keywords, tell the AI to auto-generate graphic content, auto-post

01:38:14.660 at certain times, and then he's going to leave.

01:38:16.840 And every week, he's going to look at his bank account and see his money, and he's never

01:38:19.840 going to touch the app ever again.

01:38:21.240 It's already happening on Instagram with less explicit content.

01:38:25.240 There are accounts that post pictures of women that have hundreds of thousands of followers.

01:38:29.760 It varies from thousands to 100,000 or so.

01:38:32.860 Fake women.

01:38:33.980 Some of them are really good at hiding it.

01:38:35.800 Some of them are very obviously fake.

01:38:37.280 And people know-

01:38:37.860 Deep fakes?

01:38:37.880 Or just regular fakes?

01:38:38.740 AI generated.

01:38:39.640 So just online sex work in general?

01:38:41.540 Or like-

01:38:42.560 Real sex work completely.

01:38:43.880 Like, I just don't feel like you can replace the touch of a woman.

01:38:47.880 It's that already men under 30 are more likely to be virgins and have, like, they're excluding

01:38:54.440 themselves from these experiences.

01:38:55.880 So what's happening is, right now, our perception is based on an older generation that is less

01:39:00.880 adept to the technology and a younger generation more adept to it.

01:39:04.240 And so because there are guys who will buy physical touch, we assume it must always be the

01:39:08.280 case.

01:39:08.820 No, the younger generation is going to grow up in a world of AI sexual stimulation, and

01:39:13.440 that will be their predilection.

01:39:15.120 So when they're older, they're going to be like, I don't want to be touched.

01:39:17.760 I want to have the robot say naughty things to me.

01:39:20.100 But then you're going to get robo sex.

01:39:22.460 There's going to be human android weird garbage.

01:39:25.560 Or there could be, like, there could be neural stimulation through Neuralink.

01:39:30.220 That is more speculative and theoretical.

01:39:32.720 What I can say right now is there's a younger generation of men who are increasingly virgins.

01:39:38.280 They don't expect to have sex.

01:39:39.940 And many of them will never because porn has warped their brains to the point where they

01:39:45.240 want to be banging like elf women from the world of, you know, Lord of the Rings or something.

01:39:49.820 And so they're not going to be physically attracted to a real person, in which case

01:39:53.660 they're going to need a robo digital girlfriend to get them off.

01:39:56.740 And they're not going to be seeking this stuff out.

01:39:58.880 That's not every single guy everywhere.

01:40:00.400 But I think we're seeing that increasingly to the point where a lot of guys will probably

01:40:05.760 just more easily opt for digital girlfriends.

01:40:10.000 There will still, I'm not saying it'll be completely gone.

01:40:11.400 Obviously, there will always be some people who have, you know, fetishes that they want

01:40:14.940 fulfilled in the real world and things like that.

01:40:16.620 But I think it's increasingly becoming digital.

01:40:18.640 It's increasingly becoming fictional, you know, furries or whatever, you know, they have to

01:40:23.360 dress up and do these things.

01:40:24.700 It's not always sexual for furries.

01:40:25.980 But our society is getting so much dumber.

01:40:28.440 So, like, in order to keep up with AI, people have to stay educated.

01:40:33.380 And, you know, the fact that people are passing through colleges, like, by using AI to pass

01:40:40.460 through colleges, like, are people getting smarter or are they just getting dumber?

01:40:45.160 Like, and how are we going to sustain the AI systems if people are just getting dumber and

01:40:51.700 dumber?

01:40:51.880 Allow me to reference Star Trek for everybody.

01:40:54.820 Oh, there is an episode of Star Trek, the next generation where the the crew goes to

01:40:59.680 a planet where they have an Oracle device that does everything for them and they have

01:41:04.080 no idea what it is or how it works.

01:41:06.980 Sure, until it breaks and then they start dying because they have no idea what to do.

01:41:12.780 Yeah.

01:41:13.380 And so I do think we are headed towards that idiocracy style world.

01:41:17.500 Oh, absolutely.

01:41:18.080 I think it's like this and like that.

01:41:19.580 The rise of artificial intelligence, the reduction or just degenerate degeneration of regular human

01:41:25.680 intelligence.

01:41:26.120 But this I was thinking about this a lot the past few days, actually, like where we're headed

01:41:30.020 as a society with artificial intelligence, with this all new world order stuff, Neuralink,

01:41:34.080 everything.

01:41:35.440 And I really confidently wholeheartedly believe that the natural order will always win and

01:41:41.180 always supersede over the new world order.

01:41:43.300 There's all these things that come up.

01:41:45.020 There might be AI, this, that.

01:41:46.840 Nothing will ever replace the natural order because it's God's will and it's God's way.

01:41:50.780 And I truly have so much trust in God that the natural way of the world, the reason that

01:41:54.720 biology is the same exact way it was 50,000 years ago, aside from maybe our wisdom teeth

01:41:58.620 don't grow in anymore because we don't have to chow down food.

01:42:00.520 We could cut it with a nice little steak knife at a nice restaurant.

01:42:03.160 But aside from that, biology is essentially the same when they when all these transgender people,

01:42:07.560 when they dig up their graves and 100 years from now, they're going to see bones.

01:42:10.920 And based off their bones, they're going to know if you were a man or a woman.

01:42:13.600 It doesn't matter how you dress.

01:42:14.240 I'm an anthropologist.

01:42:15.320 They're not going to see the nail polish on your fingers.

01:42:17.940 However, plastics, endocrine disruptors, I think these things are having and drugs and

01:42:23.560 petrochemicals, et cetera.

01:42:24.960 Yeah, they're changing our biology.

01:42:27.800 Yes, that I would agree.

01:42:28.820 What is the thing about seed oils?

01:42:29.700 Because I vape.

01:42:31.020 And ever since...

01:42:32.140 I think vaping is really bad.

01:42:33.720 Well, seed oils is like canola oil, things like that that are much more difficult for your

01:42:37.860 body to break down.

01:42:38.640 They can basically clog your arteries, make you more at risk for cancer, diabetes, all

01:42:42.380 problems.

01:42:42.900 That's why olive oil is very natural, but you can't cook at it at a high heat.

01:42:46.460 Avocado oil.

01:42:46.740 Avocado oil is the best because it can be cooked at a high heat.

01:42:49.700 Is that a seed?

01:42:50.500 Coconut oil is a trans fat, so I try not to use it.

01:42:53.020 What?

01:42:53.320 Yes.

01:42:53.880 Or saturated fat.

01:42:54.900 Saturated fat.

01:42:55.380 Is it really?

01:42:56.060 Yes.

01:42:56.400 It's 100% saturated fat, so it's just not so healthy.

01:42:59.000 I don't think I'm going to give up.

01:42:59.340 Oh, does that mean like solid at room temperature or what is it?

01:43:02.460 Yes.

01:43:03.000 No, solid at room temperature liquid when it's heated up.

01:43:07.160 Is that what saturated fat means?

01:43:09.800 I don't know.

01:43:10.820 I don't know, but I just know that people think it's really good for you and it's actually

01:43:14.220 not if you're going to, in small proportions, it's fine, but just like it's not healthier

01:43:17.880 than canola oil or anything of that nature.

01:43:19.680 I heard canola oil was produced to be an engine lubricant.

01:43:23.400 Yeah.

01:43:23.820 Yeah.

01:43:23.980 That's true.

01:43:24.460 Yeah.

01:43:25.060 That's insane, isn't it?

01:43:26.340 A lot of tampons are made with byproducts of gasoline, petroleum byproducts.

01:43:32.800 Yeah, that's what it is.

01:43:33.920 That's why you should be very careful.

01:43:35.280 There are so many things in society now that are here to mess things up from candles, from

01:43:42.760 certain things.

01:43:43.320 Everything that messes up our hormones, from men to women, everybody.

01:43:46.980 And that's what's going on with the whole gender dysphoria.

01:43:49.120 And actually, when it came to that, and I expressed to people that knew me a while ago,

01:43:53.920 I suffered from gender dysphoria for a while.

01:43:57.120 And then I even got to the point where I almost went to a surgeon.

01:44:00.040 And I was like, you know what?

01:44:01.020 Wow.

01:44:01.380 Screw this.

01:44:01.720 How old were you?

01:44:02.900 This was, let's see.

01:44:04.940 This was actually a couple years ago.

01:44:06.580 So it wasn't that long ago.

01:44:07.760 Early 20s?

01:44:07.900 And I was like, you know what?

01:44:08.660 This doesn't seem right.

01:44:10.160 This isn't, I'm like, there's got to be something wrong here.

01:44:13.100 So my brother-in-law, who he's actually, he works for the Space Force.

01:44:17.800 He's like, look, you need to go get your hormones checked.

01:44:21.240 So I went and I got my hormones checked.

01:44:23.420 I found out that I had a terrible hormone imbalance.

01:44:26.940 So I took DHEA, natural.

01:44:28.700 I took Progesterone and a couple of like natural things that my daughter gave me.

01:44:34.020 Female hormones.

01:44:35.000 Yeah.

01:44:35.320 Like gender affirming, actual gender affirming female hormones.

01:44:39.740 Yeah.

01:44:40.400 Did not experience any dysphoria ever again.

01:44:43.360 That's amazing.

01:44:43.980 Congratulations.

01:44:44.300 It's incredible.

01:44:45.180 Thank you.

01:44:46.060 I feel like more people should look into this.

01:44:47.380 What was the amount?

01:44:47.940 Did you have more testosterone?

01:44:49.400 Yeah.

01:44:49.880 My testosterone was high.

01:44:51.800 My prolactin level was high.

01:44:53.500 And my estrogen level, or it was my Progesterone level was.

01:44:58.700 Something was off.

01:44:59.500 Yeah.

01:45:00.060 So, and I'm like, I just knew that something was, there was, there had to be a link.

01:45:03.420 So I was like, I'm not jumping to some crazy fucking surgery.

01:45:07.760 I know it's not going to fix anything.

01:45:09.080 And hopefully this gives people some sort of hope that they don't have to jump to that.

01:45:14.320 Perhaps instead of cross sex hormones, the solution may be.

01:45:18.580 That's what I was saying before with these beta males that, these beta males that go to

01:45:22.120 transition to women like Leah Thomas, all these people, maybe, well, Leah Thomas is absolutely

01:45:26.000 not.

01:45:26.200 Well, what about the minors?

01:45:27.140 What about the minors?

01:45:28.220 Like, what if we get their hormones checked and we find out that they're inbound, the

01:45:31.840 minors, like the minors that are trans?

01:45:33.440 Yeah, that's a huge problem.

01:45:34.680 Their doctors just do it now.

01:45:36.380 There's a distinction between, there's, I think we've defined three different types of

01:45:41.800 transgender.

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01:46:46.640 What would you call it?

01:46:48.580 Categories?

01:46:49.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:46:50.340 One is gender dysphoria.

01:46:52.640 We've had many of these people on the show.

01:46:54.120 We're friends with these people.

01:46:54.900 They experience dysphoria, anxiety.

01:46:57.340 They suffer.

01:46:58.240 They want to feel more aligned.

01:46:59.820 Right, clearly you can see I experience a lot of anxiety.

01:47:02.040 But then there's the fetishists who are sexually aroused at the thought of being the other sex.

01:47:08.160 What's the word for that?

01:47:09.740 There's two.

01:47:10.440 There's autogynephilia and autoandrophilia.

01:47:12.360 That's the one men who want to feel the pain of women, right?

01:47:15.100 No, no, no, no.

01:47:15.920 So it is widely believed that Leah Thomas is an autoandrophilia.

01:47:19.320 Yes, they're sexually aroused by the looking at themselves as a woman.

01:47:23.240 And they want other people to say it because it makes them...

01:47:26.340 There's also some men, I saw recent videos on social media of men who...

01:47:30.400 There was like some also psychological definition of it where men want to feel the pain of like women's reproductive organs where they'll take hormones and things to simulate like PMS pains because it turns them on.

01:47:42.360 That's a component of autoandrophilia.

01:47:44.200 Okay, yeah.

01:47:44.580 So that's what I was just confirming.

01:47:46.700 It's the same thing.

01:47:47.500 That is so disgusting.

01:47:49.280 Yeah, but let's be real.

01:47:51.100 Twisted.

01:47:51.760 A lot of this stuff has always existed.

01:47:53.080 You just didn't know it existed.

01:47:54.180 And now...

01:47:54.920 Social media throws it down our faces.

01:47:57.200 So it used to be that people who had things that were atypical would not bring them up out of fear of being ostracized because social animals, we need each other to survive.

01:48:04.940 They used to go to the circus and now they go to OnlyFans.

01:48:08.840 Not so much, actually.

01:48:10.240 I think like the freak show thing was...

01:48:14.220 I was reading about this.

01:48:15.380 I don't know if I can remember enough to get into it, but there was a combination of fake, you know, like...

01:48:22.020 Oh, yeah.

01:48:22.420 At the circus, like pay a dollar to see.

01:48:23.900 But also like really horrible traffic and stuff.

01:48:25.880 It's funny about like the fattest guy is like now just like the normal guy.

01:48:28.820 No, but like...

01:48:29.320 I was going to say, you want to see a bearded woman, you don't have to pay $5 at the circus.

01:48:32.380 You can just open Twitter.

01:48:33.680 But so you have, you know, people are finding community with people who typically would not find community before.

01:48:41.440 And so it's creating these spaces where people feel like they're justified.

01:48:45.080 I guess a simple way to put it is with cancel culture, you'll get this big company for some reason doing something insane, firing somebody.

01:48:53.000 And it's because 50 people sent an email and they've never experienced anything like that.

01:48:57.340 They assume their customers are in revolt when in reality, their customers don't care at all.

01:49:00.660 Activists who don't buy their product are attacking the company and they assume they have to behave a certain way.

01:49:05.520 Bud Light recently, you know, lost out bigly because of trying to play this weird pandering game to a small minority and then sacrifice 25% of their market share.

01:49:13.300 It sucked having to not use or not drink Bud Light anymore because that was usually my go-to and I swore it off as soon as this happened.

01:49:20.460 How Bud Light, though?

01:49:21.400 I don't know.

01:49:22.440 I know.

01:49:22.700 Modelo is better.

01:49:24.000 It deserves that time.

01:49:24.580 Okay, I like Corona.

01:49:26.060 I like Heineken.

01:49:26.700 I like all this, but that was just my go-to.

01:49:29.060 I guess, I guess to be fair, you know, like Bud Light was the, I'm just here to barbecue when I'm-

01:49:34.060 I know it tastes like this.

01:49:34.440 Yeah.

01:49:34.820 I know, guys.

01:49:36.680 Don't taste like nothing.

01:49:37.420 That's what we drank in college, like Millie Light.

01:49:40.020 Don't kink shame me.

01:49:40.960 We insult it, but Bud Light just, it's like nothing.

01:49:43.340 It's like you're just drinking alcohol.

01:49:44.980 It's like you want to drink.

01:49:46.040 So, you know, I get it.

01:49:48.480 Coors Light, Natty Light, Bud Light.

01:49:50.140 You're at a party and you just want to have a beer or whatever.

01:49:52.300 And that's the thing, like, that's why Bud Light failed or is-

01:49:55.400 I shouldn't say failed, but is failing.

01:49:57.000 It's because there's no brand loyalty to garbage beer.

01:50:00.900 I'm drinking it because it's there.

01:50:03.660 I think Bud Light was specific.

01:50:05.340 I was actually just on Fox Business the other day talking about this, and I think Bud Light highlights the difference between men and women in society.

01:50:12.380 Dylan Mulvaney, a man, had multiple brand deals with female-oriented companies like tampons and sports bras and all these things.

01:50:20.000 Those companies are fine.

01:50:20.920 They're not being boycotted.

01:50:21.860 They didn't lose a single dollar of the market share.

01:50:23.240 Oh, that's not true.

01:50:23.820 That's not true.

01:50:24.420 Tampax, Nike, they're fine.

01:50:27.280 Tell me which ones they are right now.

01:50:28.580 It wasn't nearly as pronounced as Bud Light.

01:50:30.880 Bud Light was massive, but there was negative press and minor detriment to these companies over Dylan Mulvaney.

01:50:37.520 It was probably so minor that I never heard or saw it.

01:50:39.760 I still use these companies.

01:50:40.680 I mean, I don't still use, I never use Nike, but for tampon brands, they're like, they own the market.

01:50:46.500 We don't really have that many options.

01:50:47.740 The power is in our hands.

01:50:48.640 Bud Light.

01:50:49.820 We're winning this.

01:50:50.580 Well, so here's something I want to bring up in this context.

01:50:52.860 Yeah.

01:50:53.220 Why is it that it's not men who love this stuff?

01:50:56.680 It's women.

01:50:57.860 That's exactly the point.

01:50:58.720 Women absolutely love watching men dress like women.

01:51:02.400 Like, men aren't watching RuPaul's Drag Race.

01:51:04.760 It is women.

01:51:05.280 I used to love that.

01:51:06.060 I know.

01:51:06.440 I used to love that show, and now it's like, so it's not even taboo anymore.

01:51:09.660 So I'm like, I don't even care about it anymore.

01:51:11.620 All of this woke stuff and gender stuff, women love it.

01:51:16.280 It's not, it's not, it's, it's the men who are-

01:51:18.080 Not us, but, yeah.

01:51:19.240 No, but like, in general, it is not men as a, as a, as a general group who are into any of these things.

01:51:24.600 They care very little.

01:51:25.480 It is overwhelmingly females.

01:51:26.680 It is like, um, what was it, uh, one leftist on Twitter said that, uh, TERFs are supporting the patriarchy by, uh, by defining what womanhood and femininity is and gatekeeping it from non-traditional or atypical women or something like that.

01:51:43.840 And it's like the weirdest thing ever to be like-

01:51:45.980 How many of these are foreign women, though?

01:51:47.500 Like, how many of these, like, I wonder how many are-

01:51:49.380 There's an American woman who said this.

01:51:50.440 Like, especially on Twitter, though.

01:51:53.880 I think women are so tolerant and accepting and just, yeah, you live your best life.

01:51:58.660 That's something in the modern era, like, you do, you, honey bun.

01:52:01.280 But no, like, we have an obligation to stand up for truth and what's right and what's wrong.

01:52:06.040 And it took men standing up for a male-oriented company to come out and say, we will not handle this mockery of women.

01:52:11.740 Being a woman is not just wearing a skimpy outfit and going like, ha, ha, ha, I'm a woman.

01:52:14.700 Right, that's a caricature.

01:52:15.920 Day 70 of being a woman, I cried today.

01:52:18.180 Like, women are strong, women are amazing, and it disgusts me.

01:52:21.960 Dylan Mulvaney, I think, is evil.

01:52:24.180 I agree.

01:52:24.960 Sick and twisted.

01:52:26.080 Dylan Mulvaney is not trans.

01:52:28.120 And this is the example I use, but I think it bears repeating if we're talking about it.

01:52:31.980 So we've had many friends of our shows, of the show, who have been guests multiple times trans.

01:52:37.560 Yeah.

01:52:37.900 And what has been explained to me in many independent circumstances by different people who suffer gender dysphoria, when Dylan Mulvaney started singing, look at my bulge, it proved Dylan is not trans.

01:52:47.200 Right.

01:52:47.700 Trans people who have dysphoria.

01:52:48.620 They don't get excited about that.

01:52:49.900 Get excited and want 10 million people to see it.

01:52:52.620 No.

01:52:52.880 They kill themselves when you misgender them.

01:52:55.300 Like, but the people who are truly, the people who are suffering gender dysphoria get severe anxiety

01:53:00.960 over something like that.

01:53:02.360 Dylan Mulvaney is doing, I guess, what the Kardashians do, or Madonna does, getting surgery to fit a persona for media and for personal gain.

01:53:11.320 Yeah.

01:53:11.640 It's like, is this the, I think, the third category outside of there's the people who suffer gender dysphoria, there are people who are fetishists,

01:53:18.460 and then there's people like Dylan Mulvaney who are like, I will be rich and famous if I do this.

01:53:23.700 Right.

01:53:24.040 Like, I've got messed up teeth.

01:53:25.960 Like, they're crooked.

01:53:26.640 I'm genetically missing a tooth.

01:53:28.160 I don't care.

01:53:28.920 There is nothing that I care about in terms of going and spending two years getting, you know, surgery done and whatever.

01:53:34.560 It doesn't do anything for me.

01:53:35.760 There are other people who are like, if I want to be in this movie, I have to eat, you know, 10 pounds of chicken per week and lift constantly so that I can look like Thor.

01:53:44.720 You have to transform your body to be successful in this area.

01:53:49.500 And then you have beyond that, the people who say, working out won't cut it, I need a bigger butt or whatever, and so they get surgery or plastic surgery or implants so they can be that individual.

01:53:59.940 I look at Dylan Mulvaney as just another media personality who's trying to fit a caricature through body transformation like any other throughout the history of Hollywood, right?

01:54:09.100 Real trans people should be offended by all of this, by drag queens and phonies and...

01:54:16.500 Well, not so much drag queens because, like...

01:54:19.000 Drag queens know they're men at the end of the day.

01:54:21.140 Yeah, like, drag is...

01:54:22.280 Well, look, people are all different, but if we're going by, like, the true definition of drag, it is men who know they're men who are putting on a performance, albeit I think it's like...

01:54:30.600 I believe it's adult entertainment.

01:54:31.720 It is.

01:54:32.000 It's gay burlesque.

01:54:32.620 Yeah, it's all sexualized.

01:54:33.920 And they hate when I say that.

01:54:35.200 They hate when I say that it's adult entertainment.

01:54:36.440 Not all of them.

01:54:37.260 We had the debate two weeks ago or whatever.

01:54:39.080 You know, we had an older drag queen who's like, it's absolutely for adults.

01:54:42.000 It's nightclub stuff.

01:54:42.900 Kids shouldn't be there.

01:54:43.480 And it's not like it's always sexualized, but it's adult entertainment in the same way, like, South Park is.

01:54:49.120 Like, you're going to just drag your kids into your room.

01:54:51.220 If you're watching South Park, you'd say, can you guys...

01:54:54.120 Not for you.

01:54:54.640 It's not for you.

01:54:55.100 It's not polite.

01:54:55.540 You know, I am offended by many trans men, the things they say about manhood and being a man.

01:55:05.560 And it's probably the same way many women are offended by trans women.

01:55:08.800 This idea, you know, a man will...

01:55:12.200 A male will never know what it's like to be female, will never know what womanhood is.

01:55:16.380 It's an impossibility.

01:55:18.840 It's true for both males and females.

01:55:20.540 There is no way for a person of a...

01:55:23.640 And it's much the same as a short person will not understand what it's like to be a tall person or vice versa.

01:55:28.500 There's pros and there's cons.

01:55:29.500 There's benefits.

01:55:30.280 The idea that we're entering this transhumanist world, there's a lot of, like, offensive assumptions about what it is, what it's like to be someone else.

01:55:39.460 And everyone always assumes it's always better.

01:55:41.640 Not everybody.

01:55:42.420 But a lot of people are like, you know, a lot of...

01:55:45.400 I'll say a lot of, like, incel or MGTOW.

01:55:47.460 So I'm not trying to drag all of these guys, but they'll be like, women have an uneasy mode.

01:55:51.640 Women get to do this, that, or otherwise.

01:55:53.220 It's like, yeah, it's pros and cons.

01:55:54.780 Women earlier in life are more protected.

01:55:58.300 Women have an easier time getting entry-level positions and jobs at a younger age than men.

01:56:03.400 Men start off with low society.

01:56:06.820 I'm just trying to cite anthropology studies.

01:56:08.860 I know the young Turks and feminists are going to start freaking out that I'm saying this.

01:56:12.740 Men start off life with zero social value.

01:56:15.300 They have no skills.

01:56:16.120 They can't protect families or protect anybody.

01:56:18.920 So they're considered low social status.

01:56:22.040 Right.

01:56:22.480 Women start life as the highest point of social status, valuable for family, for child-rearing, etc.

01:56:27.640 And then over time, it inverts.

01:56:29.500 As a man gets older and develops skills and stature and power, his social value increases.

01:56:34.700 As a woman gets older, her ability to nurture and rear children decreases, and so does social value.

01:56:39.900 I'm not saying these things are good things, but these are typically observed in all societies.

01:56:42.700 And so, you know, I forgot where I was going with that, but, oh yeah, my point was, you have trans people.

01:56:49.760 I could understand why a guy is like, women have it so much easier growing up and seeing that and wishing they had it easier in life, especially if they're a short effeminate male.

01:56:56.240 And then I see people like, you know, Elliot Page, these individuals who are female, who have gone through a female existence being like, I actually feel like a man.

01:57:08.300 I'm like, you have no idea what men feel.

01:57:10.300 You have no idea what it's like to experience life as a man.

01:57:13.040 You have no idea what it's like to be treated like trash.

01:57:17.300 And I'm not saying every guy goes through this.

01:57:19.240 Some guys are born in wealth and privilege with silver spoons.

01:57:21.100 And men typically age slower than women do.

01:57:24.780 So trans women are obviously going to age slower than natural women do as well.

01:57:29.560 Collagen.

01:57:29.580 Twice the collagen in the skin.

01:57:31.340 So wrinkles and things like that.

01:57:33.720 But it's just like, I can understand what women are saying when they're like trans women are insulting.

01:57:40.640 You don't know what it's like.

01:57:41.720 And there was this great Michael Knowles, I believe, was giving a speech and he asked a trans woman, how do you know you're a trans woman?

01:57:48.380 And the individual, the trans woman didn't did not say what the trans woman said was, I heard a trans woman give a description of their experience.

01:57:57.140 And then I realized and Michael Knowles says, OK, so that's not feeling like a woman.

01:58:01.020 That's feeling like a trans woman, a different thing.

01:58:02.720 Right. Yeah.

01:58:03.340 What's so bad about saying I'm proud to be a trans woman?

01:58:05.980 Like if they're so proud about who they are and I don't agree with being proud about something that you have absolutely zero control over.

01:58:13.440 That's not what I'm saying.

01:58:14.160 But if you are proud of who you are, you should be proud to be a trans woman or a trans man or whoever you are.

01:58:19.180 What's why do you need to be a woman?

01:58:21.100 Why do you need to be a man?

01:58:22.640 What's so bad about being trans?

01:58:24.140 If there's nothing bad about it, why not be proud about who you are as a trans person?

01:58:27.760 Because their entire, the answer is their entire sense of self rests on other people's approval of them.

01:58:33.200 I've said this argument a million times, especially when I used to table for Turning Point in Maryland.

01:58:38.560 I would have like a little table outside and get into debates with college students.

01:58:41.560 It got very heated.

01:58:42.940 And the, I forgot what I just said, honestly.

01:58:47.260 What did I, what did you ask again?

01:58:50.040 Being proud.

01:58:51.240 Yeah, why are they proud to just say they're trans?

01:58:52.740 So I've had people where they come up to me on social media too, people comment like, oh, like no one, we can't even tell that you're trans.

01:58:59.140 Like, ha ha ha, especially with the hate I get, that was a big thing.

01:59:02.020 I'm like, so you guys are saying you claim to support trans people, but then you're using it as an insult.

01:59:07.160 But at the end of the day, I don't care.

01:59:09.080 My sense of self is not damaged one bit if you misgender me or call me a man.

01:59:12.940 Because I know I'm a woman.

01:59:13.540 But this is a really good, really good point.

01:59:15.120 Yes.

01:59:15.860 Two weeks ago, we had on two drag queens, one who was drag but also identified as trans.

01:59:19.880 And the trans individual said, other, we want other people to treat us the way we see ourselves and see us the way we see ourselves.

01:59:27.480 That's impossible.

01:59:28.420 That's impossible.

01:59:29.140 Right.

01:59:29.300 But this is, this is a really.

01:59:30.140 With all the self-harm scars, do you want people to treat you?

01:59:33.940 Well, but this is my point.

01:59:34.940 When, when the left will insult right by saying like, they'll call Ben Shapiro an incel.

01:59:39.820 And it's like, yo, Ben Shapiro has children.

01:59:41.820 Four.

01:59:42.260 I don't think he's an incel, but we have.

01:59:44.020 That man is okay with children.

01:59:45.360 I still have had some disagreements over time, but I will definitely welcome him to a debate.

01:59:50.720 They, they say, uh, they don't care about traditional gender roles, but then use it as a point of attack.

01:59:55.240 They say things like, I can't even tell you're trans because in their mind, they're like, if someone doesn't see me how I want to be seen, I'm hurt.

02:00:03.560 So I will intentionally do that to you.

02:00:05.680 But on whatever this side is.

02:00:07.420 They don't realize it doesn't affect us because we're secure in our sense of self.

02:00:09.840 So my sense and value of who I am is not determined by society.

02:00:15.400 I give myself my own value.

02:00:16.820 God gave me my value.

02:00:17.820 I know my value.

02:00:19.060 And that's, if only everybody knew their value, I think we would have a lot less societal problems because women put themselves in bad situations.

02:00:25.120 Right.

02:00:25.320 And I really feel like now that's, we're circling back to the beginning because I really do feel like I know my own value as well.

02:00:30.640 And I know my, like, I'm happy with myself.

02:00:33.340 I'm happy with who I am as a person and I'm happy knowing that, like, I'm one of God's children and nobody can take that from me.

02:00:40.000 So, you know, we, we, uh, I think maybe one of the big components of the culture were people who have no strength in self.

02:00:49.640 Right.

02:00:50.260 They, they, they fear how they're perceived and that's why they fall in line.

02:00:53.780 So they follow the mob.

02:00:54.720 It's why they engage in cancel culture because they have to affirm themselves by getting approval from others.

02:01:00.520 Yeah.

02:01:00.980 Right.

02:01:01.320 It's the same when they would comment plus size queen on my videos.

02:01:05.500 What?

02:01:06.100 They used to always comment that.

02:01:08.860 I'm like, I'm size two.

02:01:10.720 Like, come on.

02:01:11.380 Body positivity.

02:01:12.440 That's the thing.

02:01:13.040 It was the people who would have in their bio body positivity, you know, celebrating people like Lizzo who are like probably way more than the submarine that got lost.

02:01:21.480 Like they, they support these people and then they come to my page and they come to these things, which just shows that even the people that claim to support these wild leftist ideas, they know in their mind subconsciously, whether they want to admit it or not.

02:01:34.380 It's wrong.

02:01:35.300 And it just, it's not true.

02:01:36.800 It's not the truth.

02:01:37.520 And truth matters.

02:01:38.140 Word matters.

02:01:38.680 They're so far into their lies that they are believing them.

02:01:41.880 Yes.

02:01:42.100 They don't even realize how.

02:01:43.240 But, but, but not necessarily, I think they, they, they say things not for truth or honesty.

02:01:49.520 They say things as a signal that they're part of the hive.

02:01:52.700 Right.

02:01:53.020 And that means they also know these things they claim are insulting to other people.

02:01:56.880 Right.

02:01:57.100 Yes.

02:01:57.320 So body positivity, the machine tells me, I'll say it, but I know that you're offended if I call you fat.

02:02:02.460 Yeah.

02:02:02.640 Right.

02:02:02.940 There's the, uh, you know, I tweeted this out that we should start complimenting.

02:02:07.160 I was about to ask if it was you who said that, like, you like Lizzo?

02:02:10.820 Oh, you're a sliker.

02:02:11.620 But I'm not going to, like, it's not a completely original idea to me.

02:02:14.700 My idea is derivative from a bunch of other ideas.

02:02:16.960 One was a joke where it's a guy, a guy said, um, if, if Lizzo is beautiful, how come the woman cried when I said she looked like Lizzo?

02:02:24.420 And then I tweeted, we should start saying complimenting women by saying they look like Lizzo or Dylan Mulvaney.

02:02:29.820 And the media lost their minds.

02:02:31.200 They got offended by the idea.

02:02:32.540 And they're like, how dare he?

02:02:33.540 I'm like, why are you mad at me?

02:02:35.840 It's really weird.

02:02:36.740 If I virtue signaled, if I was on the left and virtue signaled in their direction and said that,

02:02:41.180 they would be like, how brave.

02:02:43.080 But because they know I oppose them, they know what I'm saying is detrimental to their.

02:02:46.940 Absolutely none of their arguments hold water.

02:02:49.300 They know it.

02:02:50.160 We know it.

02:02:50.960 They know that we know it.

02:02:52.460 And it's going to happen soon.

02:02:53.840 You know, my favorite line has always been if the Democrats had, if the Democrats didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all.

02:03:01.020 Rules for you, not for me.

02:03:02.160 It's all these things of, oh, you must support everyone's lifestyle.

02:03:05.160 No, it's really, if we take it for what it is, you must support everybody's lifestyle, whether or not your personal beliefs disagree with it.

02:03:10.220 You must not only support it, you must actively be an anti-racist in the same for all these other things.

02:03:15.220 You must actively go against people who don't support it.

02:03:17.980 Like you have to become a warrior in our fight, even if you don't agree with us.

02:03:21.040 And if you don't, we will try to get you fired from your job.

02:03:24.180 We will call your children's school.

02:03:25.900 We will get you kicked out of your own school.

02:03:27.120 They will stop at nothing to destroy people who simply just want to live their own lives, which is all that they're asking that we respect other people to do.

02:03:33.580 It's a cult.

02:03:34.040 And it's truly a cult.

02:03:35.400 And they're all brainwashed.

02:03:36.720 And then they come to tell us that we're brainwashed.

02:03:38.520 Respecting other people's lives, no matter what they want to do.

02:03:40.180 Especially the not feminist, or the feminist now.

02:03:42.600 They come to me.

02:03:43.580 I used to, one of my most viral videos, got 12 million views on TikTok about talking about modern day feminism and how I don't want to be equal to a man.

02:03:49.880 I don't want to wear a suit to work.

02:03:51.060 I want to wear a pretty dress.

02:03:51.960 Would you consider yourself a feminist at all?

02:03:53.380 I don't know.

02:03:53.600 Absolutely not.

02:03:54.020 I'm definitely against.

02:03:54.760 I love femininity, but the modern day feminism has led to the destruction of society, essentially.

02:04:01.460 And I radically oppose these radical feminists.

02:04:04.400 Thank you for asking.

02:04:05.380 But with traditional femininity and the way that society has just led nowadays, it's just gotten so far off the beaten track where they don't even realize.

02:04:15.720 We are just so off and removed from what true femininity should be.

02:04:19.140 I think we should force women to work on petroleum rigs and in sewers, right?

02:04:26.420 I mean, I'm being facetious, but when the first feminist waves came about, one of the big arguments against women's suffrage was voting rights came with civic responsibility.

02:04:37.640 Draft.

02:04:37.940 And fire brigade.

02:04:40.180 Yeah.

02:04:40.340 And the women who opposed it were like, I do not want to be on a fire brigade.

02:04:44.680 This is insane.

02:04:45.620 But there were women being like, yes.

02:04:47.340 And then there were weak men being like, don't care.

02:04:49.320 Sure, whatever.

02:04:50.160 And then ultimately, the extremely weak men said, I know we'll win the votes of these women if we give them everything they want.

02:04:57.700 So they capitulate and say, women now have the right to vote with no civic responsibility.

02:05:01.900 Those charlatans.

02:05:02.820 It's a recipe for disaster.

02:05:04.000 Women should have the right to vote with civic responsibility.

02:05:06.300 Right.

02:05:06.580 And now women don't have to sign up for the selective service.

02:05:08.760 Men are forced to by law, but women get all the benefits and privilege of society without the responsibilities shared by men.

02:05:15.360 Totally sexist.

02:05:16.440 I believe it should be completely equal.

02:05:18.500 If we're going to have equality, then women get civic responsibility along with men in every capacity.

02:05:21.800 I mean, I don't think anybody should have to sign up for the draft, but I don't like I understand the concern.

02:05:28.120 But do you guys really think that we're going to be drafted anytime soon?

02:05:33.500 Yes.

02:05:33.780 Yeah.

02:05:34.020 I mean, do you really?

02:05:35.500 Last year, the government started.

02:05:37.120 I wrote a research paper on this about how probably maybe you guys know more about this than I do, but no, because they just my sophomore year of college, they started redoing the lottery draft, like started getting it in place again so that if we do need China's willing to wage war on us at any moment in time.

02:05:50.260 Biden just activated the ready reserves.

02:05:52.740 Really?

02:05:53.240 Biden called.

02:05:53.660 See, I didn't know any of this.

02:05:54.640 So thank you.

02:05:55.180 I appreciate that.

02:05:56.200 This is there are there.

02:05:57.100 There are there are people who when you sign up for the for the military in your contracts, like it's at four years, but it's like four years and then you're out.

02:06:03.960 It includes a provision saying we can recall you back for another amount of time to like 50 or something.

02:06:08.720 No, it's only two more years.

02:06:10.060 OK, does it count if they're trans?

02:06:11.340 Like, can a trans person be drafted like they clarified this specifically, that if you are male, it doesn't matter how you identify we're drafting and if you're female, it doesn't matter.

02:06:21.440 You cannot be drafted.

02:06:22.800 And they said, we don't care about your identity.

02:06:24.620 But Biden just called in at the ready reserves.

02:06:28.520 And what's the other one?

02:06:30.440 Anyway, he called people back and he's sending them to Europe specifically over Ukraine.

02:06:35.480 Oh, let's say Ukraine.

02:06:36.380 So could we be drafted?

02:06:38.040 Yes.

02:06:38.720 Guys, but absolutely Russian telling you what Ukrainian, Polish, Russian would be good.

02:06:43.620 Would be good to know right now.

02:06:45.640 Language is so important for survivability and conflict.

02:06:48.260 Best I could do is Hebrew.

02:06:49.660 I'll tell you, I was I was in Turkey and I went to a neighborhood where they were fighting with

02:06:54.980 cops and they came up screaming in Turkish at me while holding a Molotov cocktail to my face.

02:06:58.880 What?

02:06:59.520 And I'm just like, I have no idea what they're saying.

02:07:01.320 So I just put my hands up.

02:07:02.140 It's a mod and just turn.

02:07:03.180 You pull out Google Translate.

02:07:04.680 Right.

02:07:05.340 Hello.

02:07:05.760 I don't want to fight.

02:07:07.380 Except if you tried if you tried pulling out your phone while guys are screaming at you holding weapons, they might just shoot you.

02:07:11.680 Cut your hands off.

02:07:12.400 So, you know, learning these languages might be helpful if you want to learn how to say something like don't shoot.

02:07:17.000 Russian is actually very easy.

02:07:18.040 I mean, it isn't easy to read, but to speak it, it's definitely very easy to learn.

02:07:23.240 I don't think she's still alive, but I just want to give a shout out to Phyllis Schlafly for stopping the ERA, which would have had women had to draft.

02:07:31.620 Thank you, lady.

02:07:32.940 I really appreciate it because I don't think women should have to draft in general.

02:07:38.540 There is something in society that you get.

02:07:40.500 So I want to hear more about that.

02:07:42.040 There's something in society that I think you either get or you don't.

02:07:45.020 Women and children have inherently more value than men in society.

02:07:48.980 That is just something.

02:07:50.260 It's why in the Titanic, it's a certain thing.

02:07:51.960 I don't, like, I don't really even really know.

02:07:55.040 It just is a thing that you kind of get it or not.

02:07:56.960 Well, wait, if we all get drafted, then who's going to take care of the children?

02:08:00.080 Then the government's going to be taking care of the children.

02:08:02.780 Draft does not mean combat.

02:08:04.440 Okay.

02:08:05.140 So the first thing I'll say is the reason why women and children have more value.

02:08:09.160 One, children are the next generation.

02:08:10.540 Of course.

02:08:10.740 We don't protect them.

02:08:11.160 We cease to exist.

02:08:12.000 Women make the next generation.

02:08:12.640 Great children.

02:08:13.020 If you have 100 men and 100 women and 99 men die, that one guy, he can have 100 babies

02:08:19.380 in nine months because the women are the ones who make the babies and he just provides,

02:08:23.480 you know, seed.

02:08:24.820 If 99 women die, you're done.

02:08:28.200 Society's over.

02:08:29.180 You're going to have one baby in nine months.

02:08:31.460 In 20 years, maybe.

02:08:33.060 No, it's over.

02:08:34.480 That's why the women are always more valuable than the men.

02:08:36.660 As for drafting, the reason I think women should be drafted is I'm not talking about

02:08:42.140 this colloquial draft and they send you to Vietnam.

02:08:45.460 That's stupid.

02:08:46.800 The draft is supposed to be in its purest form.

02:08:50.700 We are attacked and we must defend ourselves.

02:08:53.020 And everyone is called to do what they can to protect our country from aggression.

02:08:58.940 So perhaps just taking care of the children just could be the...

02:09:02.260 And combat.

02:09:03.320 But what I mean is if, ladies, if you're at home with the kids or without the kids, whatever

02:09:09.140 it is you're doing, and a foreign invader is marching through the streets, the women

02:09:13.700 are going to pick up whatever weapons they have available and defend their home the same

02:09:17.860 as any other man would.

02:09:19.180 There is no question that if a woman is in her home and the man is off at war and an enemy

02:09:25.380 invasion is marching to the town, that woman will unquestionably grab whatever weapon

02:09:30.040 she has available to defend her home and her family.

02:09:32.400 That's what the draft is supposed to be.

02:09:34.140 The local warden or whoever comes up and says, ladies, yep, not an ideal situation.

02:09:42.340 We're bringing your kids to a safe location.

02:09:44.600 We're the only ones left to fight.

02:09:46.120 Of course the women are going to say yes.

02:09:47.260 They're going to sit there and be like, no, I'll cower in fear as they'll do everything

02:09:50.320 they can to protect their kids.

02:09:51.180 So the idea of drafting is, in the more modern sense, men are going to go fight.

02:09:57.620 First and foremost, when it comes to a conflict and war, the men are on the front line.

02:10:02.300 Women can be manufacturing.

02:10:03.660 They can be building industry and running infrastructure and doing everything to support

02:10:07.000 at home because it's less preferable to have women running through the streets fighting

02:10:10.720 in conflict.

02:10:11.200 But the draft isn't supposed to be, hey, there's a war in Vietnam because communists

02:10:15.960 are spreading out.

02:10:16.480 So we're going to take our young men and send them over there.

02:10:18.200 That's insane.

02:10:19.300 So in the truest sense of conscription, I'm like, everybody should stand up and defend,

02:10:23.620 you know, their neighborhood, their communities, their families.

02:10:25.740 I totally agree.

02:10:26.720 For the record, just let the record reflect that as much as like, in terms of the traditional

02:10:33.020 aspects and just values of men and women, I think women should have less obligations

02:10:36.440 because we have certain other obligations that are not written into the law in society

02:10:40.800 in a way, like certain obligations with all the pains that come along with pregnancy.

02:10:44.180 It's not just carrying a baby inside your stomach for nine months.

02:10:46.700 It's, there are so many ways that your body changes.

02:10:50.000 Yeah.

02:10:50.260 That's what I'm saying.

02:10:50.860 It's like, y'all are done.

02:10:52.020 We're going to grow babies in bags.

02:10:53.180 Oh gosh, I hope not.

02:10:54.660 I want to have my own babies, but you can, I, God willing, I will have many of them.

02:10:59.360 Designer babies, genetically engineered in bags.

02:11:01.660 It's going to happen.

02:11:02.600 I did hear you talk about that on, on one podcast that somebody shared it with me.

02:11:07.000 So I, I, you know, I will be praying for you.

02:11:09.420 I do hope that that.

02:11:10.580 Wait, what?

02:11:11.340 When it comes to like having children.

02:11:13.140 Oh yeah.

02:11:13.520 Thank you.

02:11:13.880 I love it.

02:11:14.240 Not right now, but God willing.

02:11:15.400 I'm excited to have many children one day, but, um, specifically now I forgot what I was

02:11:20.880 talking about again.

02:11:21.460 Sorry.

02:11:21.680 I was also running four hours of sleep before the babies.

02:11:25.340 Oh yes.

02:11:25.660 For the record, let the record reflect.

02:11:27.400 Even though with the value stuff and women, thank you.

02:11:29.720 With all that stuff, I have my opinions as an American citizen, as a Yankee doodle, as

02:11:34.820 a patriot.

02:11:35.720 I love this country with all my heart.

02:11:37.480 And if we go to war with China, I will be the first person to pick up a rifle and say,

02:11:40.620 ship me out there.

02:11:41.620 Let's go fight for freedom.

02:11:42.560 Um, because my family's immigrants, I am so grateful for the opportunities that America

02:11:46.340 provides.

02:11:46.740 This is the greatest country in the history of mankind and will forever be.

02:11:50.560 And I would do anything to protect this country, but I'm more of the, we should not be shipping

02:11:53.960 out there wherever I would have to go to protect America's borders.

02:11:57.320 I would go without second thought because I love this country.

02:12:00.520 Yeah.

02:12:00.720 I think anyone who is entitled to the rights should die for them.

02:12:03.660 While we're on the topic of sex work, I mean, they also work as great spies too.

02:12:07.100 They also have worked as great spies.

02:12:08.380 Oh yeah.

02:12:08.900 Uh, fang fang.

02:12:09.880 I mean, yeah.

02:12:11.040 No, for real?

02:12:11.620 Yeah.

02:12:11.880 Yeah.

02:12:12.540 Eric's like, I mean, the best spy is probably a woman who's going to, that's the, that you

02:12:20.360 get it.

02:12:20.700 I would love that job.

02:12:21.880 If we were in war.

02:12:22.720 Espionage.

02:12:23.240 Oh yeah.

02:12:23.820 I'm all over it.

02:12:26.100 Government.

02:12:26.680 If you're watching all the FBI agents who monitor our accounts, if you're watching this

02:12:30.240 and you need an agent, we got you.

02:12:32.020 So, uh, that was great though.

02:12:35.440 I will wrap it up there.

02:12:36.180 I guess we've a few minutes over, but it's okay.

02:12:38.120 So, uh, thank you guys for hanging out.

02:12:39.640 It was a fantastic discussion.

02:12:41.180 I hope everybody was enlightened and there'll be many, a great debate on the internet.

02:12:45.380 Do you guys want to shout anything out before we wrap up?

02:12:47.600 Follow me on Instagram, the Debra Laya.

02:12:50.180 That's really all I could think to shout out, but this was really fun and I was really glad

02:12:53.540 to finally be on your show.

02:12:54.360 Thank you, Ted.

02:12:54.720 Yeah, this is great.

02:12:55.560 Yeah.

02:12:55.720 Thank you.

02:12:56.020 I also appreciate it.

02:12:57.040 Um, my Twitter is Delta Asher Hill.

02:12:59.060 I am coming out with my new book soon.

02:13:00.400 It is called No Whores for Hire and I did want to give a shout out to Spencer Hill,

02:13:04.460 my spouse, and Norma Jean Omodovar.

02:13:07.320 So.

02:13:07.700 You also gave me this book.

02:13:08.920 Yeah.

02:13:09.200 Sexual Liberty.

02:13:10.180 That is my first book.

02:13:11.320 Thank you.

02:13:12.140 Right on.

02:13:13.020 Cool.

02:13:13.420 All right.

02:13:13.640 Well, thank you guys for hanging out.

02:13:14.760 Thank you guys for watching.

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02:13:18.080 We've got, uh, next week is going to be wild.

02:13:20.800 I'm not going to say who yet.

02:13:21.760 It gets wilder.

02:13:22.960 Yeah.

02:13:23.320 So, uh, we have to, we have to bring security and we're going to have a security guard in

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02:13:44.900 Thank you.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - July 28, 2023

The Culture War #23 - Legalizing Sex Work, Is Porn Bad For Society w⧸Debra Lea & Delta Hill

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