The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #26 - Trump VS DeSantis 2024, Laura Loomer Debates Bill Mitchell

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00:00:57.060 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show. We are here, the culture war. We're going to be

00:01:02.900 discussing Trump versus DeSantis 2024. There have been a lot of polls coming out showing Vivek Ramaswamy

00:01:09.000 has been jumping into second place. It's back and forth. Ron DeSantis has a pack behind him. He has

00:01:14.340 lots of funds, but there's talk about donors maybe not sticking with him so much, but we'll see. So

00:01:20.420 today we're going to be having a discussion with Laura Loomer, Bill Mitchell, and Kyle Becker

00:01:24.420 over their views of Trump versus DeSantis. And we have Laura Loomer hanging out right now,

00:01:28.920 and I believe we have Bill and Bill and Kyle are coming in. Bill Mitchell.

00:01:34.260 Thanks for coming. Nice to see you.

00:01:36.140 This will be, you can sit right here. Kyle, welcome back.

00:01:38.560 Hey, thank you. Tim.

00:01:39.520 Yeah, absolutely. And then you can just sit here over at the ammo box,

00:01:42.880 and we'll do a quick round of intros, and then we'll start discussing 2024 politics.

00:01:50.980 Good to see you. Shake your hand.

00:01:52.980 We're to cross.

00:01:54.020 We can wait.

00:01:54.880 Nice to see you.

00:01:56.120 Nice to see you.

00:01:57.020 I brought you guys gifts.

00:01:58.180 Aw, thank you.

00:01:59.120 You look like you'd be a large, right? Large.

00:02:01.040 Yeah.

00:02:01.140 Brought you your very own Donald Trump did nothing wrong shirt.

00:02:04.620 All right.

00:02:05.420 I'll take it.

00:02:05.980 And I know that you are such a tramp fan.

00:02:09.460 I disagree.

00:02:10.120 I disagree with the premise of the shirt, but I had to bring you one.

00:02:13.080 I disagree with the premise of the shirt, but I can always use the shirt for something.

00:02:15.840 I know you think I'm awful, so don't say I never did anything nice for you.

00:02:18.760 Okay, thank you.

00:02:19.620 To you. You almost said to you.

00:02:20.920 For you.

00:02:22.020 Actually, do I have to tell you a little quick for yourself?

00:02:23.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's, yeah.

00:02:25.960 There you go.

00:02:26.580 Thank you.

00:02:26.860 We'll do quick intros, but actually, is anyone...

00:02:30.020 Just two seconds.

00:02:31.300 How about that?

00:02:32.900 Yeah, we can post it out. We're going live.

00:02:34.860 Sure.

00:02:35.980 Let's see.

00:02:44.020 We'll do intros to start anyway, so I don't know, Laura...

00:02:46.660 Yeah, we'll retweet it now that we're going live.

00:02:48.240 Well, we're live, so...

00:02:49.380 Yeah, well, now that we are live, so...

00:02:51.100 Whoever finishes texting first, if you guys want to...

00:02:53.700 Yeah.

00:02:54.420 Take it away.

00:02:55.940 Well, okay.

00:02:57.040 Just tweeted that out.

00:02:58.820 So, thanks so much for having me and inviting me to your studio.

00:03:02.200 My name is Laura Loomer, and, of course, we've known each other for several years.

00:03:05.980 But I'm an investigative journalist, I'm an activist, and a lot of people know me because,

00:03:13.220 well, for several years, I was the most banned woman in the world, the most censored, one

00:03:17.860 of the first people in this country, along with Alex Jones and others, to be completely

00:03:21.860 deplatformed pretty much everywhere, right?

00:03:24.320 I only recently just got my Twitter account back in December, but I'm still banned everywhere

00:03:27.900 else, right?

00:03:28.320 You were debanked, too, right?

00:03:29.980 Yeah.

00:03:30.260 That's crazy.

00:03:30.840 So, I got debanked, and then, as you reported, you were one of the only people to really report

00:03:36.720 on my congressional campaign and the censorship.

00:03:39.200 I made history because I ran for Congress in 2020 and 2022 in Florida as an America First

00:03:44.980 Republican.

00:03:45.960 And during both election seasons, I was the first and only deplatformed, like, completely

00:03:50.780 deplatformed candidate in United States history.

00:03:52.840 And the big tech social media companies actually created policies specifically targeting me and

00:03:59.340 my campaign.

00:04:00.440 So, they had said originally at Twitter, they're going to allow every single candidate for Congress

00:04:03.860 or governor to have an account.

00:04:05.580 And I was the only one, they said, except Laura Loomer.

00:04:08.600 Cassandra Fairbanks actually contacted the Twitter spokesperson and said, so are you going

00:04:13.560 to reinstate Laura Loomer?

00:04:14.600 And they said, everyone but Laura Loomer.

00:04:16.780 And then, of course, everyone knows I won my primary in Florida in President Trump's home

00:04:21.700 district in Palm Beach.

00:04:22.920 That was District 21 at the time.

00:04:24.680 And it's an honor because President Trump voted for me in the primary and the general.

00:04:28.620 And even as the declared Republican candidate on the ballot for the general election in 2020,

00:04:34.160 they still wouldn't allow me to have any social media.

00:04:37.540 So, and then, of course, I ran again in 2022.

00:04:39.680 And it's hard to get elected to office when you're completely silenced and we live in a

00:04:47.080 digital public square.

00:04:48.340 And now, of course, I'm doing everything that I can to help President Trump, the greatest

00:04:52.040 president we've ever had in this country, get elected.

00:04:54.940 Right on.

00:04:55.920 Kyle?

00:04:57.340 So, my name is Kyle Becker.

00:04:59.340 I'm CEO of Becker News.

00:05:01.700 I'll be doing a relentless podcast later on this month.

00:05:04.280 I'll be launching that with a producer down in Texas.

00:05:07.500 Yeah.

00:05:07.840 And so, I'm excited to be here.

00:05:10.920 You know, I was recently a DeSantis supporter.

00:05:13.780 I think a lot of people recognize that.

00:05:15.840 But I feel like I've always been very fair to Donald Trump.

00:05:18.300 I believe that, you know, he has a lot of great qualities and he had an excellent presidency.

00:05:23.280 You know, I think for the most part in terms of my personal political preferences.

00:05:27.920 So, I look forward to being a part of this debate because I think, you know, I have very

00:05:31.420 good advocates here whose arguments I respect and their passion.

00:05:35.540 You know, I appreciate.

00:05:36.660 So, you know, I appreciate the invite here.

00:05:40.340 So, I look forward to this.

00:05:41.080 And Bill, who are you?

00:05:42.340 Hi.

00:05:42.680 Yes.

00:05:43.000 I'm Bill Mitchell and I'm the host of Your Voice America.

00:05:46.860 I've been around for a while.

00:05:48.160 I was very involved in the Trump 2016.

00:05:52.080 You want to slide this way just a little bit?

00:05:53.660 Yeah.

00:05:53.880 Sorry.

00:05:54.400 Is that a little better?

00:05:55.200 Yeah.

00:05:55.500 Okay.

00:05:55.820 Great.

00:05:56.440 And then just grab that mic.

00:05:57.420 Sorry about that.

00:05:57.760 I was very involved in the Trump 20.

00:05:59.460 Where's the camera mic going?

00:06:00.560 This one?

00:06:01.000 Yeah.

00:06:01.660 I was very involved in the Trump 2016 campaign.

00:06:03.920 MIT ranked me as the 26th most influential person in that because of the Twitter feed.

00:06:10.080 And on election night, my Twitter feed did about 90 million hits.

00:06:13.900 And so, my original choice was Trump with DeSantis as a VP.

00:06:20.760 But, you know, Trump wasn't feeling that.

00:06:23.440 And so, I decided to shift over to DeSantis.

00:06:25.080 So, now I'm a big DeSantis advocate.

00:06:26.820 And I understand that a lot of folks on the Trump side see me as Benedict Arnold now because

00:06:31.080 I was such a huge Trump guy.

00:06:33.120 And now I'm a big DeSantis person.

00:06:35.060 But, you know, I'm here to have just a debate of the ideas and to strategize because, you

00:06:41.640 know, at the end of the day, we need to win this thing.

00:06:43.760 Right on.

00:06:44.060 So, it's not that Trump wasn't feeling it.

00:06:46.220 It's unconstitutional, right?

00:06:47.380 So, you do know that you can't have a presidential candidate and a vice presidential candidate from

00:06:51.740 the same state on the same ballot.

00:06:53.440 So, a lot of people push this idea that, oh, wow, it's going to be a Trump-DeSantis ticket,

00:06:58.360 you know?

00:06:58.640 And DeSantis is going to be the VP, but people don't seem to understand that, you know,

00:07:03.140 you can't have a presidential candidate and a vice presidential ticket from the same state.

00:07:08.440 And now that we know that President Trump changed his residency from New York to Florida,

00:07:12.540 he's a Floridian.

00:07:13.460 And there are currently three Floridians running for president in the state of Florida, right?

00:07:17.980 You have President Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, and Francis Suarez, the mayor of Miami.

00:07:21.800 So, that's, well, just a quick clarification, Article 2 of the Constitution states, the electors

00:07:26.500 shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for two persons of whom one

00:07:30.160 at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.

00:07:34.860 I heard a lot about this.

00:07:36.460 I didn't know if that was true or not.

00:07:37.580 It is true.

00:07:38.120 Yeah.

00:07:38.340 And Roger Stone, of course, who's, you know, a really great friend of mine and also President

00:07:43.520 Trump's, you know, longest friend and former advisor or current advisor, I believe, as

00:07:48.300 well, he has written extensively about this.

00:07:52.360 And so, you know, it's important for people to understand this because there was really

00:07:56.540 this demonization of President Trump, right?

00:07:59.160 Something like, oh, well, you know, he just doesn't want to have DeSantis as a VP because,

00:08:03.480 you know, it would show him up.

00:08:05.640 And it's all about President Trump's ego when really it's actually in our Constitution.

00:08:09.260 So, I just wanted to make that clear.

00:08:10.420 Well, there's no constitutional rule against two people being from the same state, although

00:08:15.360 there may be a situation where you have a problem with the electors.

00:08:18.820 However, people forget that George Bush and Cheney were both from Texas.

00:08:25.100 And Cheney went ahead and changed his residency to Wyoming so they could run together.

00:08:29.320 So, Trump could have gone to New York.

00:08:32.380 He could have gone to Las Vegas as far as residency.

00:08:34.960 And they could have run together.

00:08:36.520 So, it's not an impossible leap.

00:08:39.520 But why would President Trump want to go to a hostile blue state where you have district

00:08:46.740 attorneys and, you know, prosecutors trying to come after him?

00:08:50.060 I'm just correcting the record because you said that it was because of President Trump,

00:08:54.020 right?

00:08:54.280 And we want to be factual here.

00:08:55.740 Well, as a matter of fact, we're talking about a subjective issue here.

00:08:59.480 And factually, he could have gone there.

00:09:02.220 He decided not to.

00:09:03.600 And my belief is that Trump does not want to share the stage with another alpha male.

00:09:10.240 And let me explain to you.

00:09:11.380 But no, but Ron DeSantis is the one that's on the record actually saying that he's not

00:09:14.560 really a number two kind of guy.

00:09:16.340 He said, oh, I'm more of an executive guy.

00:09:17.940 You could look it up.

00:09:18.560 Direct quote, actually.

00:09:19.480 Let me explain to you.

00:09:19.820 So, it's Ron DeSantis, not Trump.

00:09:21.520 Let me explain to you why.

00:09:23.300 Is it okay?

00:09:24.100 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:24.880 Let me explain to you why I wanted this relationship.

00:09:27.660 Because Trump is more of a CEO type.

00:09:30.680 I was a headhunter for many years.

00:09:32.240 So, Trump is more of a CEO type personality.

00:09:34.060 He's more of the guy that stands there, is a showman, is the front man, is the guy that

00:09:38.780 stands on the hillside, points that away.

00:09:40.860 Okay.

00:09:41.360 DeSantis is more like having corporate world of a president who runs the day-to-day operations.

00:09:45.580 And my goal was to have Trump as a front man, give him another bite at the apple because

00:09:49.780 I felt like he was ripped off in 2020.

00:09:51.380 And then have DeSantis running the operations behind the scenes because DeSantis is an extremely

00:09:57.580 brilliant, Harvard-educated legislator.

00:10:01.140 Okay.

00:10:01.380 He understands legislation at a granular level.

00:10:03.940 Trump is famous for not wanting to read, not wanting to dive into documents, wanting

00:10:09.220 bullet points on things.

00:10:10.500 So, I don't think that Trump was very good at running the day-to-day operations of the

00:10:14.600 White House.

00:10:14.940 That's where he failed.

00:10:15.840 So, I like the idea of that one-two punch coming together.

00:10:18.360 And then DeSantis could work for Trump for four years as an apprenticeship and then take

00:10:23.720 over for eight years.

00:10:24.720 And Trump will.

00:10:25.620 But let me jump in.

00:10:26.560 If Ron DeSantis is such a scholar, though, right?

00:10:28.480 You're saying that, oh, you know, he's so Ivy League and he's such an expert on the Constitution.

00:10:32.860 Why does so much of the legislation that he has signed into law get struck down on grounds

00:10:37.120 that it's unconstitutional?

00:10:38.500 You would think that a guy that claims that he's such a hotshot, Harvard-trained lawyer,

00:10:42.420 right, and a Yale athlete would be able to pass bills that are constitutional.

00:10:47.080 You obviously have several things in mind.

00:10:48.440 Like, give me an example.

00:10:49.260 Well, the big tech social media bill, right?

00:10:51.460 So, Ron DeSantis loves talking about how, oh, it's the free state of Florida and we have

00:10:56.020 free and fair elections in the free state of Florida and we don't have censorship.

00:10:59.520 And he famously went on Tucker Carlson's show and said that he had made it illegal in the

00:11:04.900 state of Florida for candidates running for office to be banned on social media and said

00:11:10.240 that if candidates were banned and deplatformed, that they were going to, the state of Florida

00:11:15.120 was going to institute fines against the big tech companies.

00:11:18.080 Well, I would know given the fact that I was the only candidate in the state of Florida

00:11:22.280 that was completely deplatformed.

00:11:23.780 But I guess, you know, because I'm pro-Trump and, you know, we know that Ron DeSantis has been

00:11:27.900 planning his presidential campaign for the last two and a half years in the state of

00:11:31.860 Florida, he had no intention of actually implementing this.

00:11:35.200 And then, of course, a judge found that because they made the bill revolve around Section 230,

00:11:40.800 which, you know, if he really is such a constitutional genius, as you're saying, he should know that

00:11:45.200 the states don't have the authority to modify Section 230 because that's a federal law, right?

00:11:51.140 It's a federal issue.

00:11:52.760 So I just, but I just think that's important because, you know, there's really just been this

00:11:56.620 facade that's been created for Ron DeSantis.

00:11:58.600 I would say that he's really a Manchurian candidate.

00:12:01.120 The media and the GOP establishment has been grooming him.

00:12:04.880 Okay.

00:12:05.100 Fox News, Robert Murdoch.

00:12:06.300 Like Karen Giorno, your Bush campaign manager.

00:12:09.920 I want to go back because I think there was something important that you brought up in,

00:12:13.200 you were saying you wanted it to be Trump DeSantis.

00:12:16.260 That's what I wanted originally.

00:12:17.160 And I agree.

00:12:18.960 I thought that would have been, that would have, you know, checked all the boxes.

00:12:21.600 And for the same reasons that Trump is the guy, he's, he's the chief, but he needs a

00:12:27.360 right-hand man who's going to execute properly.

00:12:29.680 However, it sounds like Ron DeSantis is the one at fault for that not happening.

00:12:33.620 He's the one who said, I'm not a number two kind of guy.

00:12:35.840 I'm going to run for president.

00:12:36.440 But he said, I'm a number, not a number two kind of guy long after Trump had rejected

00:12:40.440 him and was calling him meatball into sanctimonious and all these other sophomores.

00:12:43.480 That's because he was running for president.

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00:14:14.040 But he says after that had taken place, he did not say this.

00:14:18.660 No, that's dishonest.

00:14:19.260 He's been planning a presidential campaign for the last two and a half years, okay?

00:14:23.580 It's been widely reported in the state of Florida and really nationally now that Ron

00:14:28.220 Desantis has been laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign since November of 2020.

00:14:33.340 And, you know, I ran for Congress in Palm Beach County.

00:14:36.400 And a lot of the donors who are on Ron Desantis' finance committee for his campaign, right?

00:14:43.520 These are people who told me point blank in 2020 and 2021 during private meetings that

00:14:48.280 they had been asked to be on his 2024 presidential finance committee.

00:14:53.540 So this has been in the works for a long time.

00:14:56.360 Obviously, Ron Desantis knew that, you know, he didn't just wake up in May when he filed

00:15:00.300 and say, oh, you know, I'm going to run for president.

00:15:02.280 He pressured the Florida legislature, okay, in violation of Florida's resigned to run law

00:15:07.160 and really in violation of just ethical standards, period, to change the Florida resigned to run

00:15:12.740 law.

00:15:12.980 He hand-appointed the Florida Secretary of State, Cord Bird, in May of 2022.

00:15:18.340 And then he had Cord Bird quietly change the rules in the Florida political handbook so

00:15:23.080 that you could transfer funds from a Florida state political committee, which is, you know,

00:15:29.120 before this change was made, you couldn't transfer funds, right, from state to federal entities.

00:15:34.400 He had him quietly change the handbook so that he could transfer the money that he raised when

00:15:38.800 he was governor over to the federal never-back-down super PAC, right?

00:15:43.500 So it just shows he doesn't really have moral character.

00:15:46.020 He's willing to bend the rules.

00:15:47.500 Wait, a representative of Donald Trump is saying somebody else doesn't have moral character?

00:15:50.900 You're trying to say that this is about President Trump's ego when, if we're really being honest

00:15:54.420 here, Ron DeSantis had been planning to run for president even, you know, up until the time,

00:15:59.980 like days before the 2020 presidential election, which we all know was stolen.

00:16:03.880 I could say I have no problem if someone said both of them are lacking in moral character.

00:16:09.920 An argument against Trump and an argument to DeSantis are two separate things.

00:16:13.040 If DeSantis was changing the rules and preparing to run as president for a long time, I mean,

00:16:19.120 that's that argument for, you know, you have to make your argument as to why he should or

00:16:22.940 should not have done that.

00:16:24.220 We can insult Trump, but that doesn't change anything Ron DeSantis did.

00:16:26.440 Right.

00:16:26.820 Okay.

00:16:27.160 Listen, I have no problem with Ron DeSantis wanting to be president of the United States.

00:16:31.820 Here's the problem that I have.

00:16:33.840 And this is what turned the table for me.

00:16:36.140 What made me finally say, okay, I'm done with Trump.

00:16:38.860 And so many people that follow me on Twitter that were former Trump supporters have finally

00:16:43.460 said, I'm done with Trump.

00:16:45.260 When President Trump came out and he said three days before DeSantis' election, he started calling

00:16:51.360 him Ron DeSantis.

00:16:53.360 And then he said that Ron DeSantis is a globalist and a rhino for which there was no evidence

00:17:00.540 whatsoever.

00:17:01.940 This was the lie that I could not.

00:17:03.460 He didn't call him a globalist and a rhino before the election.

00:17:05.700 I let you talk.

00:17:06.460 I let you talk.

00:17:06.700 But you're lying, Bill.

00:17:07.740 You're lying.

00:17:08.580 He called him to St.

00:17:10.240 I'm not going to sit here and let her talk over me.

00:17:11.900 You're not going to talk over me.

00:17:12.840 I'll let you talk, but we can't allow him to lie to millions of people.

00:17:15.880 You're not going to talk over me.

00:17:16.460 You're not going to talk over me.

00:17:17.480 We'll just respond after he finishes me.

00:17:18.740 But he's lying.

00:17:19.200 I'm pointing it out.

00:17:20.200 Okay.

00:17:20.340 This is why I don't let you in my spaces on Twitter because you talk over me.

00:17:23.380 No, you don't let me in your spaces because you know that you'd be lumered and totally

00:17:26.280 destroyed.

00:17:27.160 Like you can't, I'm already, I'm, I'm able to cite these encyclopedia facts that are

00:17:31.520 ingrained in my mind about Florida law.

00:17:33.300 And all you have is, oh, orange man bad.

00:17:35.380 Trump is so bad.

00:17:36.280 Oh, he's so mean.

00:17:37.080 Like, do you actually have any facts or policy or do you, do you know about any of the laws

00:17:41.580 that Ron DeSantis changed?

00:17:42.780 Let me, let me, let me, let me, just a mouthpiece.

00:17:44.500 Let him, let him finish.

00:17:45.500 And then he literally is incapable of controlling.

00:17:48.300 Well, I can control myself, but you're not going to lie about.

00:17:50.960 This is why Margaret Taylor Greene calls you crazy.

00:17:53.540 Okay.

00:17:53.900 Margaret Taylor Greene says you should not work for Trump.

00:17:56.700 Because she considers you crazy.

00:17:58.320 I know it's a hot button issue.

00:17:59.380 And you think I care about what a congresswoman who cheated on her husband and who is basically

00:18:04.100 a mouthpiece for Kevin McCarthy.

00:18:05.920 You think I care about what she thinks?

00:18:07.440 Let me get you my point.

00:18:08.040 I want to make my point, please.

00:18:09.440 Yeah.

00:18:09.780 We'll have him make his point and then you can respond.

00:18:11.600 Laura.

00:18:11.800 So Trump said that Ron DeSantis is a rhino.

00:18:15.760 Trump said that Ron DeSantis is a globalist.

00:18:18.160 There is no evidence of that.

00:18:19.480 In Ron DeSantis' time as governor, there's no evidence of anything like that.

00:18:23.600 Now, that's a broad statement that you have to have a real pattern of behavior to prove

00:18:28.980 that.

00:18:29.340 To me, that was it.

00:18:31.000 I was done with Trump.

00:18:31.840 I couldn't do this.

00:18:32.720 All the unforced errors, you know, inviting Kanye, inviting your good friend, Nick Fuentes,

00:18:37.560 the white nationalist, to dinner, you know, all the stuff associating with...

00:18:42.840 It's another lie.

00:18:44.520 It's another lie.

00:18:45.640 Sure.

00:18:45.800 He said that President Trump invited Nick Fuentes.

00:18:48.480 In reality, the dinner with President Trump...

00:18:50.660 No.

00:18:50.900 What happened is...

00:18:52.260 Nick Fuentes isn't your good friend?

00:18:53.880 That's not what I said.

00:18:54.420 Do you disavow...

00:18:55.100 Well, tell me, do you disavow Nick Fuentes?

00:18:56.980 What happened?

00:18:57.780 I don't...

00:18:58.100 Yeah, I don't think that's true.

00:18:58.560 There's been a lot of misinformation about the dinner.

00:19:00.580 So what happened is the dinner was actually supposed to...

00:19:03.500 It took place on November 25th, I believe, okay?

00:19:05.720 It was supposed to happen two months prior, but then something happened and they had to reschedule.

00:19:10.020 And so originally it was supposed to be a one-on-one dinner with Ye and President Trump.

00:19:15.760 And then Ye didn't tell President Trump or his staff that he was going to be bringing Nick and another individual with him.

00:19:24.100 And he showed up to Mar-a-Lago and then, you know, President Trump had said,

00:19:28.080 well, I guess if your friends are here, you know, come in.

00:19:31.700 And nobody knew, nobody had any advance information.

00:19:34.720 His staff didn't know that Ye was going to be bringing other people.

00:19:37.840 But President Trump, because he's a very hospitable person, as I saw firsthand this weekend when he invited me to, you know, spend time with him at Bedminster,

00:19:45.340 he just said, okay, have your friends come sit down with us.

00:19:48.100 And one of the people there was Karen Giorno, who was one of his former state directors in 2016.

00:19:53.760 And for full disclosure, she had been one of my strategists for my campaign, which I have, you know, severely grown to regret.

00:20:04.140 We don't work together anymore.

00:20:05.480 We don't talk.

00:20:06.080 And so he had thought, okay, well, you know, just come down, sit, sit and have dinner.

00:20:13.220 And then ultimately, Karen was working with Milo and they leaked the details to the media.

00:20:19.020 And Milo admitted to the press that he did it because he wanted to make Trump's life miserable and to get revenge on him.

00:20:25.880 And one of the reasons why I don't work with Karen anymore, right, is because I'm very pro-Trump and she seems to have all of this animosity towards him for some reason.

00:20:34.340 And I believe that they teamed up to get revenge on Donald Trump.

00:20:38.580 Nick was not invited by President Trump.

00:20:41.080 And so when you say, oh, Trump invited Nick, no, Trump invited Ye and Ye ended up bringing Nick along because Nick had flown to L.A. two days earlier.

00:20:49.620 So it's just, it's important that we get the facts right.

00:20:53.580 And Trump said he had no idea who Nick, how could Trump not know?

00:20:55.920 He said he didn't know who he was, but he said he doesn't know because there was no advanced, there was no advanced introduction or preparation.

00:21:03.480 So you're right now, you're going to go on record disavowing Nick Fuentes, who said that he thinks that Hitler is effing cool.

00:21:08.640 Why do I have to disavow somebody?

00:21:10.100 I'm a free speech absolutist.

00:21:11.400 I knew you wouldn't.

00:21:11.820 I'm a Jewish woman and I have enough integrity to fight for everybody's free speech rights, even people who make sometimes derogatory comments about Jews and Israel.

00:21:20.680 I'm a free speech absolutist.

00:21:22.140 I'm also very pro-Israel.

00:21:23.580 I'm a self-identified Zionist.

00:21:25.400 And the First Amendment applies to everybody.

00:21:27.300 And we've already had rulings in this country.

00:21:29.880 You hang out with this guy.

00:21:30.500 How about Ali Alexander, who is on the record?

00:21:33.840 What does that have anything to do with this?

00:21:35.100 What does this have anything to do?

00:21:37.420 Are we going to talk about Trump or DeSantis?

00:21:39.060 Are we going to talk about Trump or DeSantis?

00:21:40.240 I'm going to her credibility.

00:21:42.160 This is what Bill's going to do.

00:21:43.580 I just want everybody to know.

00:21:44.340 He's going to attack me because DeSantis doesn't have any policies.

00:21:47.260 He knows that-

00:21:48.020 DeSantis doesn't have any policies.

00:21:48.780 He doesn't have any policies.

00:21:50.540 He's ripped everything.

00:21:50.980 This is about DeSantis versus Trump.

00:21:52.820 Let's get back on track.

00:21:53.980 Exactly.

00:21:54.540 And so I want to talk, I'm here to talk about President Trump and his policies and why he's the better candidate.

00:21:59.400 OK, if you want to attack me, we can have our own space sometime, but we're not going to waste time so that you can, you know, try to pay me as some kind of tactics.

00:22:06.360 Let's go back to policies.

00:22:08.160 Policies.

00:22:08.700 OK.

00:22:09.760 Trump has said that he is going to, on day one, end the Ukraine conflict with a phone call.

00:22:16.820 Impossible.

00:22:17.400 It's not going to happen.

00:22:18.180 I guarantee you that Putin and Zelensky are laughing in his face when he says that.

00:22:22.220 He says on day one, I'm going to end birthright citizenship with an executive order.

00:22:26.800 Again, impossible, would never survive the courts.

00:22:29.480 He said that I'm going to drain the swamp in six months.

00:22:32.180 Again, he was the chief recruiter for the swamp for four years.

00:22:35.900 It will not happen.

00:22:37.020 He had a chance to lock Hillary up.

00:22:40.440 He promised that on his campaign for the, I mean, I was so when he rallies, lock her up, lock her up.

00:22:45.160 He's, yeah, yeah.

00:22:45.960 And two weeks after he became the president elect, he goes in front of a crowd and he says, listen, I didn't mean that.

00:22:52.940 We're really not going to do that.

00:22:53.900 And then the whole Russiagate thing, I'm like, that never would have happened if you had locked her up.

00:22:58.160 You emboldened the left by not locking Hillary up.

00:23:01.940 They realized you're a paper tiger.

00:23:03.460 You're all talk.

00:23:04.340 You're not going to get these things done.

00:23:06.000 And so they came after your jugular and look at all these problems.

00:23:08.580 And we're still seeing the long-term effects of that.

00:23:11.300 Let's start with that point right there.

00:23:13.260 One of the big issues for me is which candidate is going to fire everybody.

00:23:17.160 And I mean that figuratively to a certain degree.

00:23:18.960 I do want everybody fired.

00:23:20.000 I want reviews.

00:23:20.560 I want the bureaucratic state to be curtailed to a great degree.

00:23:24.380 I don't literally think someone's going to come in, bang a gavel, and everyone's gone.

00:23:27.400 But the question then is, who would actually do that?

00:23:29.880 Is it going to be Trump or is it going to be DeSantis?

00:23:31.780 Who's going to-

00:23:32.120 The question is, the way you do that is, here's the biggest problem.

00:23:35.260 The reason why they call the deep state is the deep state.

00:23:37.380 It's these people that carry on from one administration to the next that are employed.

00:23:40.860 And it's very hard to get rid of them because if you try to fire somebody, then they appeal,

00:23:45.320 and that takes many years, and they appeal again.

00:23:46.820 So they can outlast any president, right?

00:23:48.960 So what Trump had proposed earlier was this Schedule F idea, right?

00:23:52.700 And he threw an executive order where he would be able to, if anybody of these government

00:23:56.700 employees could be proven to be involved in anything politically, then they could be

00:24:00.380 fired.

00:24:00.760 The problem is that the courts will fight this.

00:24:04.260 This will be challenging over and over again.

00:24:05.420 It's going to end up in the Supreme Court, probably take years and years.

00:24:07.340 Trump only has four years in there to do that.

00:24:09.120 So I think that Governor DeSantis would also follow something along those lines.

00:24:12.680 But Trump wants to build a big, better facility.

00:24:15.340 I believe it's for the FBI in D.C.

00:24:17.020 DeSantis wants to move them out, literally drain the swamp by draining the swamp, moving

00:24:20.960 people out of D.C., getting them out of the three martini lunches, getting them out of

00:24:24.760 that whole thing.

00:24:25.820 So I think DeSantis has got a more pragmatic approach to that.

00:24:29.680 He says, listen, it's going to take me eight years to do this.

00:24:33.680 You can't just drain the swamp in six months.

00:24:35.420 And, you know, it's not like we haven't Trump doesn't have a track record on this.

00:24:40.080 Trump has got a track record on this.

00:24:41.140 OK, so he says that DeSantis wants to, you know, take take these swamp monsters and deep

00:24:46.440 state agencies out of D.C.

00:24:48.660 DeSantis has brought the swamp to Florida.

00:24:51.080 Do you know that Ron DeSantis allowed for the Capitol Police to actually set up an official

00:24:56.260 office in Tampa, Florida for the purpose of hunting down Trump supporters who attended

00:25:00.480 the rally on J6?

00:25:01.960 Florida has the highest number of J6 defendants.

00:25:04.600 You can look it up.

00:25:05.620 There was a report, I believe, in the Tampa Bay Times about this.

00:25:08.780 And so how exactly is Ron DeSantis going to dismantle these agencies when he's bringing

00:25:13.420 them to Florida to harass and intimidate and carry out their weaponized agenda against

00:25:19.440 Trump supporters?

00:25:20.740 And he there they have a coalition where the Capitol Police in Tampa, Florida are working

00:25:25.140 in conjunction with the FBI and the local sheriffs in Florida, some of whom were even endorsed

00:25:29.960 by Ron DeSantis.

00:25:31.420 And they are hunting down Trump supporters to this day.

00:25:34.640 I live in central Florida.

00:25:36.040 And one of the one of the districts that's close by to me, it was previously in my district

00:25:40.800 before DeSantis took it out.

00:25:42.320 Right.

00:25:42.780 Because it was one of the more pro-Trump areas and he didn't want me having a super pro-Trump

00:25:47.020 area when I was running for Congress against total rhino Dan Webster.

00:25:50.360 You know, Citrus County, just a couple of months ago, there was a January Sixer who didn't

00:25:56.540 even go inside the Capitol.

00:25:58.060 OK, he was just there.

00:25:59.400 He was wearing a panda suit, walking around, trying to talk about peace.

00:26:02.880 And he was he had his home raided by the FBI in conjunction with the Citrus County Sheriff's

00:26:09.000 Office.

00:26:09.220 And they beat him.

00:26:11.140 They beat him.

00:26:12.040 And that happened under Ron DeSantis's watch.

00:26:14.140 There are videos and I can we can play them here today.

00:26:16.780 I've done an extensive report about this of January six defendants.

00:26:20.340 As I said, Florida has the highest number out of any state in the country begging Ron

00:26:24.700 DeSantis for assistance, asking him to intervene about this weaponized government.

00:26:29.060 But he has emboldened the Capitol Police and the January six commission to come into Florida

00:26:33.780 under his watch with his approval in Tampa.

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00:28:04.900 To hunt down Trump supporters.

00:28:06.500 So I take issue with what you said.

00:28:08.400 We have the Tampa Bay Times.

00:28:09.420 I remember the story.

00:28:10.140 It's a big deal.

00:28:10.940 The U.S.

00:28:11.660 Tampa Bay Times says U.S.

00:28:12.940 Capitol Police plan to open a Tampa office.

00:28:14.860 Why?

00:28:15.520 It's the first step towards geographic expansion of the notoriously opaque agency, which has

00:28:19.800 been in turmoil since January 6th.

00:28:21.580 Tampa Bay Times is not a conservative publication by any stretch of the imagination.

00:28:25.040 Uh, that, that, that is, that is a really good point because I've, I've talked about

00:28:29.280 one of the strongest things Sanders could do.

00:28:31.780 And, and he, he did this to a certain degree and say, I will not assist in the extradition

00:28:35.140 of Donald Trump on, on these indictments.

00:28:37.260 But this right here actually, I think is a bit alarming considering, I mean, the photos

00:28:41.520 that have come out of some of these people.

00:28:43.140 Let's talk about January 6th.

00:28:44.340 Okay.

00:28:44.800 My problem with Trump is the constant drama, the constant unforced errors, Mar-a-Lago,

00:28:50.500 unforced error.

00:28:51.240 If he had just given the documents back when they asked for him, none of this would happen.

00:28:54.680 January 6th, he knew five days before January 6th that Pence was not going to stop this

00:29:00.980 certification.

00:29:01.580 He knew that he had requested National Guard troops.

00:29:04.540 Why would he request National Guard troops?

00:29:05.840 Unless he was afraid that there was going to be violence.

00:29:08.340 He did not get the National Guard troops.

00:29:09.940 And yet he sent his supporters to the Capitol and he said, fight like hell.

00:29:14.300 He had said earlier in his speech, protest.

00:29:16.580 He said peacefully.

00:29:17.260 You're picking a bit here.

00:29:18.580 He, he, he, he said, he said earlier in the thing, peacefully protest.

00:29:22.760 But then when they were going, he goes, fight like hell.

00:29:24.840 If you don't fight like hell, you're going to lose your country.

00:29:27.100 And I had said, I had said, uh, leading up to this, I was advising people, don't go to

00:29:32.540 this thing because they're going to have BLM there.

00:29:34.320 They're going to have Antifa there.

00:29:35.360 They're going to, uh, ask to turf this thing.

00:29:36.940 Trump, like he does so many times, he leads us right into the minefield.

00:29:42.560 And I was using the example of Patton before, you know, Patton was kind of an obnoxious

00:29:46.300 SOB.

00:29:46.860 Trump can be an obnoxious SOB.

00:29:48.360 So that's not disqualifying.

00:29:49.960 But if Patton had constantly led his troops into ambushes where they got wiped out, he

00:29:54.680 would not be a famous general.

00:29:56.360 Trump constantly leads his own people into ambushes.

00:30:00.100 If Trump had not had the January 6th where there was no end game, and this is Trump's problem.

00:30:04.920 He never has an end game where there was no end game.

00:30:07.820 There was no winning scenario on this, that if he had not led the people there, we would

00:30:11.600 never have had these J6 defendants.

00:30:14.200 And he could have preemptively pardoned all these people.

00:30:16.440 I disagree with this.

00:30:17.520 I think Donald Trump had the right to contest the election.

00:30:21.000 He gave a commonplace political speech that is, you know, widely the same kind of verbiage

00:30:25.700 that Democrats use.

00:30:26.980 I would say even less incendiary than most Democrats use.

00:30:30.140 He had the right to be there and to press to the very end when the Electoral College

00:30:34.200 slates were being submitted to Pence.

00:30:36.460 And I believe 141 Republicans had the right to pressure Pence into returning the alternate

00:30:41.300 slates of electors to those states that are qualified to review those slates of electors.

00:30:46.340 And that is something that has been, you know, done in 1961, is done at previous times.

00:30:50.860 You can review alternate slates of electors under the Electoral College Act before they changed

00:30:55.100 it.

00:30:55.280 And so he had the right to be there and to make his case before the American people.

00:31:00.780 And the original altercation at the gates happened before those Trump supporters could

00:31:07.140 have made it all the way to the Capitol after he said, you know, go peacefully and patriotically

00:31:11.320 because Ray Epps and his buddy, Samsel, were there coordinating, apparently, to pull some

00:31:16.600 shenanigans.

00:31:18.700 So Trump, the important thing that you said earlier that doesn't really comport in my mind

00:31:22.220 is that he did talk, according to the Department of Justice review, that he did notify the

00:31:27.540 Pentagon, said that you're going to need at least 10,000 National Guard there.

00:31:31.580 But if you go back and look at the testimony of Stevenson, you look at General Walker, the

00:31:36.320 D.C. National Guard, they said because of optics and despite multiple warnings that happened

00:31:43.540 days in advance.

00:31:44.400 And I would argue the FBI knew months in advance that this was something that's going to happen.

00:31:49.220 And if you go back to that infamous Time article, the Shadow Cabal had been planning this incitement

00:31:54.940 narrative since, what, May of 2020.

00:31:58.200 So they had been working to fortify this election up to that point.

00:32:02.380 And they rigged it in multiple ways.

00:32:04.480 And I argue that Trump should have done more to prevent the rigging with these states to

00:32:08.760 try to get Bill Barr, who talked about drain the swamp, to go to these states and say,

00:32:14.240 you need to push the state attorneys generals to defend the state legislature's rights,

00:32:18.120 et cetera. Right. So my point is that in terms of the context of the shenanigans around the

00:32:22.920 2020 election, Trump was justified in making a speech and making his case and politically

00:32:27.860 pressuring Pence to do the right thing and to use whatever powers that he could have that

00:32:33.820 would be litigated. I think that's important context in a lot of this, that the recourse

00:32:38.940 that Trump was seeking was through litigation. He wanted the Supreme Court to take up the Texas

00:32:43.960 case, which was mysteriously dropped because they had original jurisdiction.

00:32:48.200 You know, the context is he was seeking legal recourse. So Georgia's election indictment is a

00:32:52.860 sham. He was seeking legal recourse because his end remedy was the courts. He wanted the courts to

00:32:59.560 solve these problems.

00:33:00.380 And in fact, one of the most one of the interesting things to me about the indictment in Georgia is

00:33:04.460 one of the furtherance of criminal conspiracy acts they present is that Trump said,

00:33:09.160 whatever legal means, like they said, he went to Brian Kemp and said, Hey, you know,

00:33:16.040 let's figure this out by whatever legal means. I don't know the exact quote, but it was, he said,

00:33:20.060 I can't remember what it was. He said, Hey, see if you can look into the fraud or get it done by

00:33:24.840 whatever the legal mean is. And they were like, ah, that's a conspiracy criminal act to ask someone

00:33:29.220 to legally go. And going after his lawyers is just, I want to add to, you know, people want to blame

00:33:34.440 Donald Trump for January six. And you said that he could have done more. Well,

00:33:37.480 how come we're not talking about Nancy Pelosi calling off the national guard? And we do know

00:33:41.800 that it was Nancy Pelosi who told the national guard to stand down. And they also, I think you

00:33:46.860 guys are missing the point of what I was saying. No, but we're not missing the point because

00:33:50.840 you're not, I don't think it wasn't Pelosi. I don't think we actually know where the stand

00:33:59.980 order came from. We still don't have all the footage. Okay. That's one thing. We wouldn't know

00:34:04.300 more about this. If Kevin McCarthy had actually released the footage, like he said, we wouldn't

00:34:08.280 have so many January six political prisoners locked up. And I think that, uh, you know,

00:34:12.680 people would have more sympathy for president Trump that he could not have pardoned. I'm not sure if

00:34:17.460 he, you can do a preemptive pardon. Yes. But who a list of names, you've got 800 people on one side.

00:34:22.780 He could have done a blanket pardon of everybody. He could have literally wrote, I pardon hereby everyone

00:34:26.740 in DC outside of the Capitol is pardoned. Yeah. I don't think they were. I don't, I, I, I don't

00:34:31.220 think that a president can preemptively pardon. He's got to be able to say their names. But here's

00:34:35.400 but let me, you're missing my, you're missing my point. Let me clarify my point. My point was

00:34:41.160 what was in Trump's mind? Was there a possibility of violence in Trump's mind? Was, was that something

00:34:46.780 that could have happened? Well, he requested all these thousands of national guard troops. You don't

00:34:50.940 do that unless you think there's a possibility of violence. And so he knew there was a possibility

00:34:55.860 of violence and yet he had his people go there and he said, go to the protest, go to the Capitol

00:35:01.240 and protest and fight like hell when he knew there was a possibility of violence and he

00:35:05.360 did not have protection. Yeah. And there was a permitted rally outside the Capitol. Those

00:35:09.900 are, they had a permit. Okay. But what I'm saying to you, what I'm saying to you is Trump has got

00:35:14.540 a very bad tendency of leading us into a minefield based upon his own hubris and his own narcissism.

00:35:23.540 The election is the right cause to take up, to fight. But he, but the verbiage is not

00:35:29.420 that incendiary. But also there was no, he had, there was no way there were, let me put it this

00:35:34.580 way. The, the January 6th rally, there were a thousand ways it could have gone South. There

00:35:39.500 was no way it could have worked. That's exactly the point. And you're sort of

00:35:43.580 indirectly proving Trump's case. He did not send a bunch of unarmed redneck extremists into the Capitol

00:35:48.600 to tour, tour the building or tour the U S government into submission. There was no capture

00:35:53.640 and kill threat. In fact, the Congress had been originally shut down due to the pipe bomb threats

00:35:59.780 at RNC and DNC. So the point is there was no end game and there was no collusion on the part of Trump

00:36:06.740 with these extremists. He was the commander in chief, but I'm still missing. So he's not

00:36:12.420 culpable for that. But it's an important point. It's an important point. Trump was still speaking

00:36:17.180 when the first group breached the barricades and stormed onto the Capitol grounds.

00:36:21.480 The people that were the peaceful protesters there January 6th, I do not think were the people that

00:36:26.220 were breaking windows and causing trouble and beating the cops. That's true. I think it was the

00:36:29.760 BLMs, the Antifas, all these AstroTur people. I was warning people.

00:36:33.420 I was warning people for two weeks before this thing happened. Don't go to this thing. They're

00:36:39.660 going to trap us. They're going to AstroTurf us. We're going to be blamed for this. They're going

00:36:43.340 to have Antifa. They're going to have busloads of Antifa and busloads of BM. They're going to create

00:36:47.260 the violence. And I saw the videos that people breaking windows. These weren't Trump supporters.

00:36:51.180 These were guys with long hair, black backpacks, you know, the wearing, I don't, I don't think there was

00:36:56.380 a memo to the Antifa. There was actually Antifa. There was actually coordination to tell them not to do that,

00:37:00.960 to not to AstroTurf. And I know that John Sullivan was there.

00:37:03.520 Well, are these regular Trump supporters that were causing this violence either?

00:37:06.480 No, I think the FBI had plants inside of these far right extremist groups. And much like the

00:37:13.320 Whitmer kidnapping, it kind of pulled them along to go and not stop them from going to the Capitol.

00:37:19.500 They could have tamped it down. They could have stopped, you know, the Proud Boys and all of these

00:37:24.180 groups from wanting to go to the Capitol. But instead, they seemed to aid and abet them.

00:37:28.640 And you look at the undercover, the police was crawling with undercover MPD. We know,

00:37:33.600 you know, the Municipal Police Department armed, by the way, some of them encouraging the Trump

00:37:39.860 protesters, this is on video, by the way, to go to the Capitol. And on top of that,

00:37:45.160 there was undercover FBI and that's come out in trials too. And they didn't do anything to stop it.

00:37:49.140 And Trump is the, Trump is, let me make this final point. Trump is the king of unforced errors.

00:37:57.140 He is like a blind man in a field full of garden rakes. He's always stepping in it,

00:38:02.520 always walking into it, always causing himself trouble, whether it be J6, whether it be the

00:38:07.580 Mar-a-Lago documents, whether it be what happened in Georgia. I think he did the right thing on J6

00:38:12.760 because he didn't allow him to get, was he supposed to allow him to steamroll them?

00:38:16.180 I want to, I want to, I want to fact check another one of Bill's lies. So Bill said just

00:38:21.800 now that President Trump could have done a blanket pardon of all the J6ers. That is categorically

00:38:26.560 false. You know, as you know, President Trump was impeached on January 13th of 2021. Okay.

00:38:33.880 They tried to charge him with an incitement of an insurrection. I brought notes to this because I

00:38:37.240 knew you were going to say this. Okay. And ultimately, President Trump's term, as we know,

00:38:41.700 ended on January 20th of 2021. And that's when the transition of power took place.

00:38:46.860 President Trump was not acquitted until February 13th, 2021 by the Senate. The reason why President

00:38:53.000 Trump wouldn't have been able to issue just a broad brush pardon of anyone connected to January 6th

00:38:57.740 is because, and I'll read this directly under article two, section two of the United States

00:39:02.080 constitution. It states that there is an exception to the presidential power to pardon in cases of

00:39:07.460 impeachment. The presidential pardon power does not extend to forgiving crimes and

00:39:11.700 misdemeanors that the House might charge in a bill of impeachment. And they tried to

00:39:16.140 impeach for incitement of insurrection. The day of the impeachment was one week after January 6th,

00:39:22.060 which was January 13th, 2021. And Trump officially left office on January. And so we had an entire

00:39:28.020 week to pardon. But I'm sorry, I do not see a reasonable scenario. You said that he could have

00:39:33.240 and he couldn't. He couldn't have. He couldn't have. He couldn't have. He was completely deplatformed

00:39:42.040 two days after January 6th. He was debanked. He was shut down. Okay. He was silenced.

00:39:46.720 Let's think about this reasonably. First, we need a legal constitutional scholar to answer the

00:39:50.200 question. Can Trump sign a document saying, I hereby pardon all people within a two mile radius

00:39:54.160 of the Capitol on this date? I don't think that's possible. The next thing is Trump would have to

00:39:58.480 figure out who was actually a violent rioter and who was a peaceful, bumbling dotter who didn't

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00:41:27.740 care. Did I mention that we care? So he's got a week and they didn't even charge some of these

00:41:36.340 people yet. So this is the issue. You don't have to be charged. And so Trump needs the name of

00:41:40.960 someone who was not charged. Of the 250,000 people in D.C., it's not possible. But that's the reason

00:41:46.000 why they impeached him just days after January 6th, because they knew this, right? The section of the

00:41:51.680 Constitution that I just read to you. And they knew, OK, well, President Trump still has about

00:41:55.520 two weeks or so to pardon people if he wishes. But by trying to impeach him for the incitement of

00:42:01.860 an insurrection, it basically ended his ability to pardon anybody associated with what he was being

00:42:08.480 impeached for. Let's shift gears to the 250 million. You wanted to shift gears because I'm

00:42:13.720 proving you wrong. Because I'm proving you wrong. You just said something that was completely

00:42:18.540 infactual. I disagree. I disagree. We should talk about it. But it's just like flippant narcissism of

00:42:25.240 every single time that Laura fact checks me in real time and I get proven to just be,

00:42:29.160 you know, an anti-Trump hater. I'm just going to change the subject.

00:42:32.380 But let's shift gears. Let's shift gears to the 250 million dollars that Trump

00:42:40.040 falsely raised. He raised, after the election, he raised 250 million dollars to create a fund

00:42:47.260 to fight this steal. 250 million dollars. Instead of, and he did not create this fund,

00:42:54.340 this fund never existed. As a matter of fact, under testimony, Trump's own marketing people said

00:42:58.120 this was just a marketing ploy. This fund never existed. He transferred all 250 million dollars

00:43:02.920 to his leadership pack. That money ended up going to all kinds of things that had nothing to do

00:43:07.700 with J6. He did not pay the legal bills of people that were in jail for J6, who he did pay the legal

00:43:13.120 bills for, were people that were going before Congress to testify about J6. He paid their legal

00:43:18.080 bills because he didn't want them to turn state's evidence against him. And then we know that Rudy

00:43:23.320 Giuliani, who did all that work for Trump, traveling around the country, that Trump has

00:43:28.160 stiffed him on the legal bills. He was supposed to pay Rudy Giuliani $20,000 a day. All he did was

00:43:32.900 pay his travel expenses. And just recently, Rudy Giuliani was at Mar-a-Lago begging to get his legal

00:43:38.420 bills paid. He didn't pay them. Well, also, it just turns out-

00:43:42.120 Coincidentally, coincidentally, coincidentally, coincidentally, shortly after Trump got this

00:43:47.700 250 million dollars, his jet, which has been in mothballs for two years, gets a new coat of paint

00:43:52.880 and some gold-plated toilet seats. Look, if Trump says he's going to raise money for fighting the

00:43:57.780 steal or whatever, and then he uses that for legal fees for J6 witnesses, that sounds like he's spending

00:44:01.580 the money on exactly what he should be spending the money on. He didn't use it. You just said that-

00:44:05.580 He said that, no, for the people that were in jail, he didn't spend anything for their legal fees.

00:44:09.840 Right, right. But you said he paid them-

00:44:10.920 He didn't help to support their families.

00:44:12.280 He said he paid the legal bills.

00:44:13.620 That's not true. President Trump has had multiple events. And in fact, I was invited to one. He's

00:44:17.840 going to be having several of the January Sixers and their families.

00:44:21.920 Where did the $250 million go?

00:44:23.640 But you just said that he's not supporting the families or the victims of January 6th. On the 22nd

00:44:30.920 of this month at Bedminster, I was invited to attend. I don't know if I'm going because

00:44:35.340 I also am going to go to Georgia for the arraignment and cover that live. President

00:44:39.340 Trump is going to be hosting a group that is supporting and providing money for lawyers

00:44:47.000 to provide legal representation to January Sixers.

00:44:49.860 So getting more donations in to do something that he should have done for two years.

00:44:52.940 He also did his song, Justice for All, which made it to number one on, I guess, the Billboard

00:44:57.520 charts and also Apple Music charts. And he said that he was donating all of the proceeds

00:45:02.320 from that song. I think it was a lot more than that.

00:45:05.080 He went to the families of J6 victims. He's hosted them at Mar-a-Lago numerous times.

00:45:11.540 Why is this even necessary? Where did the $250 million go? I mean, a hundred and something

00:45:15.460 thousand dollars for Melania's hair, you know, paying bills for his hotel?

00:45:21.080 What should he do with the $250 million?

00:45:23.480 Well, there's the reports that there's FEC reports that show that President Trump has

00:45:27.640 spent at least over $40 million on legal fees. So you're acting like he just pocketed $250

00:45:32.860 million. Okay. And you're also failing to mention that, you know, there's, there can't

00:45:36.800 be coordination between campaigns and super PACs. And a lot of the money that was raised

00:45:40.580 was raised by the super PACs. Why hasn't, why hasn't, why hasn't Donald Trump paid Rudy

00:45:45.460 Giuliani's legal fees? Where Rudy Giuliani's a deep trouble finding? Rudy Giuliani was,

00:45:50.420 Well, there was an agreement in the beginning. The RNC was paying for some of, the RNC was paying

00:45:54.860 for a lot of the legal fees until the presidential primary took place.

00:45:58.820 I'm sorry, who cares?

00:46:00.100 I agree.

00:46:00.660 Trump stole $250 million. He stole $250 million. That is without the bill.

00:46:04.960 Ron DeSantis stole $200 million. He raised $200 million when he ran for governor of Florida.

00:46:10.800 And those donations came from Trump supporters who thought that they were donating to Ron

00:46:14.660 DeSantis. He broke records when it came to gubernatorial fundraising.

00:46:18.380 And he won by 20 points.

00:46:19.160 And he raised $200 million.

00:46:20.980 He won by 20 points.

00:46:21.860 And how do you lose it?

00:46:22.740 But now he's pulling low.

00:46:23.700 He stole money. Let me finish and explain to you. He stole $200 million from Trump supporters

00:46:28.480 because he lied to them and said,

00:46:30.380 Donate to me. I'm going to serve another four years as your governor.

00:46:33.780 He lied to high-dollar donors who wrote enormous checks of, you know, $100,000, $500,000,

00:46:39.820 millions like Ken Griffin, for example, who just got exposed yesterday in an article for literally

00:46:44.800 quid pro quo.

00:46:46.140 Yeah, I'd love to talk about it, by the way.

00:46:48.180 These people gave millions of dollars to this committee while knowing that Ron DeSantis was,

00:46:53.140 you know, running for governor. And then what did he do after the gubernatorial race ended?

00:46:56.960 He then had the funds transferred to the Never Back Down Super PAC, $82.5 million.

00:47:02.660 And then $1 million transferred to a PAC that was created just days after the Florida Speaker

00:47:07.900 of the House, Paul Renner, changed the Florida Resign to Run law as a form of bribery.

00:47:11.980 So let me say.

00:47:12.880 So he stole money from Trump supporters.

00:47:15.000 No, he didn't.

00:47:15.660 Yes, he did.

00:47:16.360 No, he didn't.

00:47:16.760 Yes, he stole at least $82.5 million.

00:47:20.880 If you go to a Trump supporter.

00:47:21.920 He stole that money.

00:47:22.660 And if Donald Trump says, I would like you to give me money, don't ask why they're going

00:47:27.740 to give him money.

00:47:28.340 If Trump says, trust me, I'm working on some important things.

00:47:30.700 They're going to help me.

00:47:31.340 People would give him money.

00:47:32.340 It doesn't it doesn't matter.

00:47:33.980 Trump supporters are happy believing that Trump is going to do whatever he needs to do

00:47:37.900 with the funds.

00:47:38.880 However, I do think there's an issue if Ron DeSantis is saying I'm running for governor,

00:47:43.400 not president.

00:47:44.220 Donate to me and then transfer his money so he can run against Trump.

00:47:47.600 That feels Trump specifically said this money is for this fund.

00:47:51.940 And he named the fund.

00:47:53.220 And then we have under testimony, the fund never existed.

00:47:56.580 That was a lie.

00:47:57.700 He raised money for a fund.

00:47:58.980 As a matter of fact, I would not be surprised.

00:48:00.280 What does that mean?

00:48:00.660 I would not be surprised.

00:48:01.460 What does that mean?

00:48:02.060 The money he raised the money.

00:48:04.040 So the fund existed.

00:48:05.100 No, no.

00:48:05.840 There was a fund that they were going to create that was just going to be specifically

00:48:09.000 to fight the steel.

00:48:10.420 It was, I think, election integrity fund.

00:48:13.280 I can't remember the name.

00:48:13.940 I was just off the top of my head around.

00:48:15.000 But it was a fund and his own marketing people said that was just a marketing ploy.

00:48:17.960 It never existed.

00:48:19.220 They transferred the money to his leadership pack.

00:48:21.140 And people don't understand.

00:48:22.440 A leadership pack and a super pack are different things.

00:48:24.680 A leadership pack can spend money on whatever.

00:48:27.120 They can spend money on Trump to do golf trips, anything.

00:48:29.980 It's not like a super pack, OK?

00:48:31.340 So he transferred the money to these guys.

00:48:33.460 And then God only knows where the money went.

00:48:35.580 We know for a fact that they paid over $100,000 for Melania's hair to be done.

00:48:40.120 We know that money that went to Trump's businesses and his hotels.

00:48:44.960 Just like we know that over $400,000 of Ron DeSantis' presidential donations just went

00:48:50.420 to pay off his personal American Express card.

00:48:52.600 So if you look at the financial disclosure forms, and I did an extensive report on this,

00:48:56.840 there are American Express credit card payments that are not properly documented according to

00:49:01.800 the rules as they're supposed to be documented in an official report.

00:49:05.060 So you want to talk about Melania?

00:49:06.500 I want to talk about Jill DeSantis' trips to Gucci with their campaign American Express

00:49:17.220 card.

00:49:17.620 Let's talk about that.

00:49:18.280 Let's shift a little bit.

00:49:19.460 We'll shift a little bit because otherwise it's going back and forth on the money.

00:49:22.060 And Kyle wanted to jump in.

00:49:22.920 So I think that we can say that both of them have moved the money away in ways that some

00:49:28.220 of the original donors disagree with.

00:49:30.560 I think that we can say that because politics, the circumstances have changed for both DeSantis.

00:49:36.500 And for Trump, you know, we don't know exactly what triggered DeSantis' decision.

00:49:41.140 He may see trouble ahead for Donald Trump ultimately becoming president and cares about

00:49:45.800 America enough to want to come forward and run for the country.

00:49:49.280 So that may be Ron DeSantis' rationale.

00:49:53.240 You know, I will leave it to Ron DeSantis to, you know, explain that.

00:49:56.220 But I want to explain why I supported Ron DeSantis originally leading into this debate with

00:50:00.640 Laura.

00:50:01.480 And, you know, everything changed when these political indictments started coming down the

00:50:06.220 line.

00:50:06.500 Every time there was a Biden scandal, there was a political prosecution.

00:50:09.520 And, you know, you go back to August with the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.

00:50:13.980 We saw that Biden had a classified documents issue come up in November, just prior to the

00:50:19.960 midterm elections.

00:50:20.720 He covered that up completely.

00:50:22.540 That is a blatant cover-up.

00:50:23.660 Nobody talks about it.

00:50:24.940 That came out.

00:50:26.000 I still, Biden still hasn't been indicted for this.

00:50:28.400 And there's still, there's no.

00:50:29.500 But he's a sitting president.

00:50:30.660 He can't be indicted.

00:50:31.220 Well, he's, yeah, there's a special counsel who's supposedly investigating this.

00:50:35.400 There's, there's no headway.

00:50:37.260 It's just, you know, radio, radio silence.

00:50:39.940 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:40.460 That's true.

00:50:41.200 Exactly.

00:50:41.760 So there's radio silence on all of that stuff.

00:50:43.840 And every time starting in, you know, late March, all the way up until August, you know,

00:50:49.060 you know, even with the Georgia indictment, you know, last week, there has just been Biden

00:50:54.000 scandal, Trump prosecution or, you know, Trump indictment over and over and over again.

00:50:59.240 So my, my point is that if we were all thinking about how they, how the Democrats were going

00:51:03.760 to rig the election, like they did in 2020 with like the COVID with the mass mail-in ballots

00:51:08.920 and the Zuckerberg boxes and all this stuff, they're rigging it right now in front of our

00:51:14.840 faces.

00:51:15.420 That's my viewpoint.

00:51:16.780 This is election interference.

00:51:18.900 This is rigging the election.

00:51:21.020 Let me ask you a question.

00:51:21.680 And so just really briefly, Bill.

00:51:24.080 So my point is that if, if, you know, the situation has changed and on August 1st, DeSantis

00:51:30.420 came forward, put this mealy mouth statement, just like he had said, North Carolina rallies

00:51:34.760 and so on, you know, uh, very lukewarm sort of, I'm going to drain the swamp, you know,

00:51:40.840 and he's even said stronger things recently, like, you know, uh, this wouldn't have happened

00:51:44.600 to Donald Trump if he would have drained the swamp, et cetera.

00:51:47.300 Uh, I don't, this really aligns him more with the GOP establishment that I'm comfortable

00:51:52.840 with because the thing about Donald Trump that is really highlighted to me, not just the,

00:51:57.980 the deep seated corruption and vindictiveness and nastiness of these deep state actors is that

00:52:03.940 the GOP establishment is not stepping up to do any meaningful actions to defend Donald Trump.

00:52:09.220 They are sitting back and they give, yeah, they're on vacation.

00:52:12.460 They're giving these little statements.

00:52:13.900 Oh, we're going to investigate this.

00:52:15.160 We're going to investigate that.

00:52:16.300 These strongly worded letters are very, I'll get to the end point and I'll set you up.

00:52:25.160 Okay.

00:52:25.760 So, uh, my point is they're rigging the election right now in front of our faces.

00:52:29.660 And if we don't support Donald Trump, then they're going to continue to select our candidates

00:52:35.240 from every election from now to the end of time, we need to punish the Democrats or alternative

00:52:40.760 scenario, bring them out of their, the, the, the hiding, the thought of the shadows and,

00:52:47.380 and expose the democracy of America as a sham.

00:52:51.900 Let's peel the bandaid off.

00:52:54.000 Let's see how nasty these actors in DC are.

00:52:57.100 And let's, let's let the American people who are, some of them are still asleep.

00:53:01.720 See just how much of a, of a complete illusion our processes.

00:53:07.500 Donald Trump is the first candidate since I would argue Reagan versus HW Bush to be not

00:53:13.040 the GOP establishment pick.

00:53:14.700 And I think like when he won and he shocked them and Hillary Clinton, who had tried to

00:53:21.060 rig that election as well with the steel dossier, et cetera, he really got, we saw big tech

00:53:26.600 mobilize, right?

00:53:27.620 We saw these, this lawfare, this endless lawfare mobilize.

00:53:31.500 Now, uh, for me, it's, it's really.

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00:55:00.060 Proving me right in my argument for the last 15 years that people like Barack Obama and

00:55:06.760 his advisors, you know, John Brennan, who was like, he was a communist before he was

00:55:11.480 a CIA director.

00:55:12.780 They have a plan to undo freedom in this country.

00:55:16.160 And Donald Trump understands this and he's more vocal about it.

00:55:19.720 You know, I did, I did believe Ron DeSantis was Trumpism without the drama for a lot of

00:55:24.580 bit.

00:55:24.780 And I believe he had better bureaucratic skills to excise a lot of these bad actors out of

00:55:30.900 our government.

00:55:31.800 I think that's true.

00:55:33.180 And I heard your counter, I heard your counter argument, Laura, and I agree that Trump is

00:55:36.960 going to excise bad actors.

00:55:38.000 What you said was disturbing.

00:55:39.100 What did he do for four years?

00:55:39.860 Policies are totally different, right?

00:55:41.080 That's what I said in the very beginning about him being this Manchurian candidate.

00:55:44.460 And I agree with what you said.

00:55:45.460 You know, where's the, where's the Republican party on this?

00:55:48.040 They're, they're just completely MIA on vacation.

00:55:51.100 And I will say, you're always saying, oh, you never criticized President Trump.

00:55:54.220 One thing that I was very critical of President Trump over, and you know, I'm his biggest

00:55:57.860 supporter is his endorsements of Kevin McCarthy.

00:56:01.340 You know, Kevin McCarthy is just sitting back, allowing for this weaponization of government

00:56:05.160 to happen.

00:56:05.740 He's done absolutely nothing except issue this milquetoast statement.

00:56:09.460 And he's actually supporting Ron DeSantis.

00:56:12.340 You know, I call out Marjorie Taylor Greene, and the reason why she calls me crazy, and

00:56:16.740 the reason why she told me-

00:56:17.400 A lot of people call you crazy.

00:56:18.640 I don't care.

00:56:19.380 You know, it's, as President Trump always says, it's the outsiders who change the world.

00:56:22.740 And I'm an outsider, and I'm proud of it.

00:56:24.260 I don't want to be a part of their club in the GOP establishment, you know?

00:56:27.760 And so the fact of the matter is, is she has formed an alliance with Kevin McCarthy.

00:56:31.900 And I have exposed the fact that Kevin McCarthy is anti-Trump.

00:56:35.600 And that's a threat to her, because she has falsely presented herself.

00:56:39.200 No, but this is, this is important, Tim.

00:56:40.560 As an ally to President Trump, Kevin McCarthy has refused to endorse President Trump for

00:56:46.500 Congress, or for President, okay?

00:56:48.060 Nobody's endorsing him.

00:56:49.000 He has come out, no, there's a, the entire Florida congressional delegation endorsed Donald

00:56:53.160 Trump.

00:56:53.400 What are you talking about?

00:56:53.920 How many, how many of us former cabinet members, how many of us were, I got to make

00:56:56.940 a point about Congress.

00:56:57.560 I broke a story, I broke a story a couple of months ago about how Kevin McCarthy was actually

00:57:02.660 directing his donors in the Central Valley and Silicon Valley in California to host high-dollar

00:57:08.320 fundraisers for Ron DeSantis.

00:57:10.320 And it was actually at one of these fundraisers where Ron DeSantis said that he was against

00:57:14.420 President Trump's policies with China, particularly as it relates to tariffs, and that he doesn't

00:57:20.000 support tariffs.

00:57:20.620 And we now know that he doesn't support tariffs because all of his biggest donors are, you

00:57:24.900 know, people tied to Sequoia, like Doug Leone, Ken Griffin, who, you know, is a billionaire

00:57:30.560 because of his investments and his business dealings in China.

00:57:33.720 Uh, we now know from a report that came out yesterday, of course, that, uh, he was, uh,

00:57:38.380 working with Ken Griffin to, um, to, to, to, to modify this, this law that he said was

00:57:44.580 going to ban, uh, Chinese nationals from purchasing land.

00:57:47.920 And now we know that Ken Griffin was able to just donate $5 million to him and completely

00:57:52.240 change that.

00:57:52.780 I would love to talk about that.

00:57:53.200 Let me, I want to make one point on Congress.

00:57:54.660 My point is, though, is that we need to start calling them out.

00:57:56.500 Why?

00:57:56.980 Where are the Republicans in Congress?

00:57:58.820 I'm calling on Marjorie Taylor Greene to issue a motion to vacate.

00:58:01.740 We need a speaker of the house that's actually going to stand up for president Trump and

00:58:06.060 stand by him instead of working with state GOPs like Kevin McCarthy just did in California,

00:58:11.420 where he worked with Jessica Patterson, even though he denies it to have, you know, this,

00:58:16.340 this delegate heist.

00:58:17.480 And if it wasn't for me, they probably would have stolen a nomination.

00:58:19.840 I want to get a chance to actually talk again here because I've been sitting here about 10

00:58:22.900 minutes without saying anything.

00:58:23.560 So we need to call out Kevin McCarthy and house leadership.

00:58:25.360 All right, so a point I want to bring up, Mike Cernovich tweeted that right now, the Republicans

00:58:29.640 control Congress with a comparable margin that Nancy Pelosi did.

00:58:32.980 The question is, why aren't they doing anywhere near what Pelosi had done?

00:58:37.980 Yeah, let's, okay, let's talk about Mar-a-Lago, for instance.

00:58:41.980 Okay, and Trump says, well, I'm protected by the presidential record act, which obviously

00:58:45.340 means that he's, he doesn't understand how any of this works.

00:58:48.320 What's the presidential record act says is that the president sitting president is required

00:58:53.520 to keep personal and presidential records separate.

00:58:56.360 When he leaves office, the presidential records become the property, the sole property of

00:59:01.680 the national archives.

00:59:02.960 He can take his personal records home.

00:59:04.680 What Trump is saying is anything I take with me becomes my personal record.

00:59:08.320 That is incorrect.

00:59:09.600 Also, if it comes to national defense information documents like the Iran war plan, okay, those

00:59:15.080 cannot be...

00:59:16.000 He wasn't indicted for that though, right?

00:59:17.280 Yes, he was.

00:59:18.080 In superseding indictment.

00:59:19.380 Yes, he was.

00:59:19.920 A superseding indictment.

00:59:20.760 So with the Iran war plans, these are, it doesn't matter whether they are declassified

00:59:26.340 or not.

00:59:26.960 He cannot take these out of the secure facility where they were in the government's property,

00:59:32.080 take them home, and he cannot show them to people like Susan Wiley's, who is a consultant

00:59:36.200 for the Chinese.

00:59:37.380 That's not true.

00:59:38.160 That is not true.

00:59:39.180 Oh, she doesn't, her consulting firm doesn't do work with the Chinese?

00:59:41.360 Susie Wiles only consults for American companies and she's affiliated with a lobbying firm.

00:59:46.200 She's not responsible for every single client that they take on.

00:59:48.940 Regardless, she is not authorized to see these documents.

00:59:51.400 You said regardless, you just lied about her.

00:59:53.240 So you should correct the record.

00:59:54.180 You just lied about her.

00:59:55.040 Okay.

00:59:55.280 She doesn't represent, she doesn't represent foreign nationals.

00:59:57.540 You're going on the record saying she has nothing to do with the Chinese.

00:59:59.300 She herself, from my understanding and my knowledge, is not directly involved with

01:00:03.660 the Chinese.

01:00:04.020 Okay.

01:00:04.260 I've read about 10 articles of the contrary, but anyway, so, but she is not authorized

01:00:08.840 to see these documents and Trump went on Bradbury, looked us in the eye and he

01:00:13.060 said, I've never seen this document.

01:00:15.020 I've never heard of this document.

01:00:16.360 I don't know what this is.

01:00:17.360 I never would have had General Milley do this.

01:00:19.640 And he lied to our faces like he's done so many times before.

01:00:22.540 And then he's on the record.

01:00:24.500 We don't have, we don't have proof of that.

01:00:26.040 Like he's not convicted.

01:00:26.680 They, they, they indicted him for this because they've got, because they've got evidence

01:00:32.260 that this was what they did.

01:00:34.200 There wasn't just a real estate, you know, plan that he was waving around.

01:00:37.620 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:00:38.140 This was actually the Iran.

01:00:39.800 Like the, if we're looking at any one of these indictments, these are novel legal theories.

01:00:44.200 By all means, I'll say, how are these not, the Espionage Act is not a novel legal theory.

01:00:49.620 There's a lot of charges brought against Trump that are novel legal theories about what is

01:00:53.520 free speech.

01:00:54.020 If we look at Georgia in particular, but my point is simply just because a weaponized

01:00:59.480 DOJ says Trump is hereby indicted does not mean Trump lied or is guilty of any crime.

01:01:03.380 Okay.

01:01:04.240 When the DOJ, Trump could have given all those documents back right away.

01:01:08.140 But the problem that he had was not only did he not give them back, but when they were

01:01:12.760 under subpoena, he had his, that one guy can't pronounce his name, last name, move the documents

01:01:18.020 around.

01:01:18.440 And then he said to his lawyers, okay, go back to the, these guys and say, Hey, I've, you've

01:01:23.260 got all the documents.

01:01:24.000 He had his lawyers lie from him.

01:01:25.260 And that's why the lawyers.

01:01:27.200 It was a process crime trap.

01:01:31.700 That's my, but, but more importantly, he's protected by the presidential records.

01:01:35.800 Outside of, outside of anything, you don't even understand what the presidential records

01:01:38.960 act is.

01:01:39.400 You are citing, you are citing DOJ indictments, not convictions or hard evidence of proof.

01:01:45.880 They've made, how is he predicted, protected by the president?

01:01:47.880 They've made accusations against Trump.

01:01:49.620 He's before she's been indicted.

01:01:50.740 He has not proven to do anything you've claimed he's done.

01:01:53.900 Right.

01:01:54.100 He's been indicted for these things.

01:01:55.580 And that doesn't mean anything.

01:01:56.860 I mean, look, when they, when they claim that Jenna Ellis documents, this is, no, no, no,

01:02:00.440 Trump's problem is he knows, he knows the left is out to get them.

01:02:04.600 He knows they're very sneaky.

01:02:06.120 Okay.

01:02:06.580 And yet he walks around with a target on his back all the time, constantly stepping into

01:02:10.940 these bear traps.

01:02:11.920 I'm sick and tired of that.

01:02:13.080 As one of Trump's top advocates for about seven years, as like, I've had enough, I'm done

01:02:19.180 with this.

01:02:19.860 I don't need this guy that it's constantly, I don't need the guy who's ruled by his ego.

01:02:24.720 I don't need the guy that doesn't have the intelligence to understand legislation.

01:02:28.500 I'll say one thing real quick.

01:02:29.780 And then Kyle, last night, Sean Spicer was talking about how he was a witness in the

01:02:36.720 Mueller investigation and that it cost him six figures to defend himself, not even as

01:02:41.480 a target, but a witness.

01:02:42.800 And how does that happen?

01:02:44.040 He said, because when Mueller says, I want to talk, you could say something seemingly innocuous

01:02:50.000 that they could interpret or use as a crime against you.

01:02:53.080 So you have to pay lawyers to handle your communications.

01:02:55.740 You could say something as simple as, well, when I was texting my friend the other day,

01:02:59.860 I mentioned, oh, you tech, oh, that's a violation of the presidential records act.

01:03:02.360 We got him.

01:03:02.760 We got him.

01:03:03.140 Ladies and gentlemen, how does texting your friend to violate the presidential records

01:03:05.620 Sean Spicer?

01:03:06.760 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:03:07.460 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:03:09.540 I'm make the point I'm making is for one.

01:03:11.960 That's what Sean Spicer said.

01:03:13.100 He had to call his lawyers about whether they're going to charge him or not.

01:03:16.520 They can take anything you do and argue it was or wasn't a crime.

01:03:19.780 The saying is, show me the man.

01:03:20.640 I'll show you the crime.

01:03:21.280 The point is, there's no way to avoid.

01:03:25.020 Look at Michael Flynn.

01:03:26.760 He wasn't even being investigated and said, ah, he lied to us.

01:03:29.100 Now we got him.

01:03:30.380 If my point is simply this, that the claims, the indictments and the allegations against

01:03:35.360 Trump have not been proven.

01:03:36.780 I don't trust a weaponized DOJ, especially when we know Hunter Biden is involved in illicit

01:03:41.600 business dealings.

01:03:42.260 We know Joe Biden was, there was a request made by Devin Archer to contact, I'm sorry,

01:03:48.500 not Devin Archer.

01:03:49.120 There was a request made by Burisma Partners for Hunter to contact, quote unquote, DC.

01:03:54.680 Then we get what a month later, Joe Biden flies to Ukraine to personally engage in a quid pro

01:03:59.560 quo, fire a prosecutor in exchange for a billion dollar loan guarantee that doesn't have the

01:04:03.260 authority to do.

01:04:04.020 When you have that stuff going on and we have whistleblowers coming out saying Hunter is

01:04:08.180 protected.

01:04:08.540 I'm not going to err on the side of the indictments must be true claims against Trump, but I don't

01:04:14.040 want to rant.

01:04:14.500 Kyle, you had a point.

01:04:15.140 No, no, no.

01:04:15.700 No.

01:04:16.260 So that kind of goes to what I'm saying.

01:04:17.660 So I don't blame Donald Trump for the extreme actions that his adversaries have taken against

01:04:22.820 him since he first came down the escalator.

01:04:24.840 First of all, the Russia collusion hoax is one of the most disgusting acts of betrayal

01:04:31.780 by a, you know, intelligence community that I, and law enforcement community that I've ever

01:04:37.680 seen, you know, we don't need to rehash that here.

01:04:39.780 I worked for Sean Hannity.

01:04:41.360 I had to cover this for two and a half.

01:04:42.740 And Trump did nothing about it.

01:04:44.620 Not just our law enforcement, but also a president at the time.

01:04:48.020 It began, people never want to talk about this, but it began with Obama spying on him

01:04:52.860 and the media is complicit in this.

01:04:54.700 When, when President Trump was interviewed on 60 Minutes, I believe it was with Leslie

01:04:58.000 Stahl, right?

01:04:58.720 He had said the Obama administration had been illegally spying on me during my entire campaign.

01:05:03.160 So you said that, oh, if President, if President Trump would have just, you know, locked Hillary

01:05:07.440 Clinton up, you're, you're failing to mention the fact that the persecution of Donald Trump

01:05:12.640 and the traps to attack him that have now turned into this, you know, coup with Crossfire

01:05:17.840 Hurricane.

01:05:18.180 And now all of these phony indictments and this witch hunt, it all began while he was

01:05:22.420 still then just Donald Trump.

01:05:24.020 He was just campaigning.

01:05:24.840 And Donald Trump was president for four years and in charge of the DOJ this entire time.

01:05:29.860 And he didn't do anything against any of these people.

01:05:35.200 This is Trump's problem.

01:05:36.680 Trump is constantly getting himself into trouble, constantly moving into unforced errors.

01:05:41.340 He's constantly surrounding himself with the wrong people.

01:05:43.580 Here's the thing.

01:05:44.180 We originally thought that Trump, because we saw him on The Apprentice, we said, well,

01:05:47.980 here's a guy who will hire well and fire well.

01:05:51.000 Okay.

01:05:51.460 But we forget that was just a TV show.

01:05:53.640 That wasn't reality.

01:05:54.900 And Trump surrounded himself with some of the worst possible people.

01:05:58.220 And then one of the reasons we did is that you and I can agree on.

01:06:00.600 I agree as well.

01:06:01.340 We're responsible people.

01:06:02.360 Okay.

01:06:02.640 So that, so my, see, here's my number one, here's my number one gripe against Trump.

01:06:07.040 It's not the crimes.

01:06:08.160 It's not even, it's not even the childish sophomoric calling people meatball.

01:06:12.220 What is he?

01:06:12.500 12 years old.

01:06:13.260 Okay.

01:06:13.520 Not even that, but it's the lack of judgment, the poor judgment that he's shown over and

01:06:19.460 over and over again.

01:06:20.860 I mean, he has been indicted these situations.

01:06:23.440 He's got this, this, um, special prosecutor that's after him.

01:06:26.780 He's got these judges, you know, this DC judge, this Atlanta judge that are not going to be

01:06:31.680 friendly to him.

01:06:32.240 And he's out there calling them racist and, and calling them, it's like, what has he got

01:06:36.460 a death wish?

01:06:37.160 I mean, you know, these are the people that could, that could cut plea deals for him.

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01:08:09.680 My situation, my overarching situation is that I do not believe, we just had a new poll

01:08:14.180 coming out the other day, and I'm no fan of polls.

01:08:15.860 I don't want to give you the impression I'm a fan of polls now.

01:08:17.520 But a new poll came out the other day, it was an AP poll, that said that 64% of Americans

01:08:22.460 will not vote for Donald Trump.

01:08:24.780 I don't believe that.

01:08:25.740 But let's go back to the Russia collusion thing.

01:08:28.240 I just wanted to briefly just like do a little breadcrumb.

01:08:30.840 You know, we have the Russia collusion hoax, the Mueller, you know, no collusion found.

01:08:34.280 Those are all BS.

01:08:34.980 And again, in the Mueller, you see the process crime trap that they tried to set with the

01:08:39.500 obstruction of justice.

01:08:40.520 Ultimately, he decided that, you know, it wasn't his place to bring that charge and that

01:08:45.340 he gave like this editorial in part two about, you know, all of the supposed obstruction

01:08:49.800 of justice, which was highly speculative.

01:08:51.420 So you go from that to the sham first impeachment was an absolute disgrace in hindsight.

01:08:56.760 I will not agree with you on those things.

01:08:58.560 You know, and Donald Trump was legitimate in asking the Ukrainian president for any information

01:09:04.080 that he had that Biden and his family were compromising U.S. national security.

01:09:08.500 That was his obligation and duty as president of the United States.

01:09:11.280 You're not going to get an argument that the patients were bad.

01:09:13.640 But I'm trying to set up the pattern of behavior on the part of his adversaries.

01:09:17.720 You know, we have January 6th where we both had a very good argument about that.

01:09:22.280 You know, my stance is that Trump was justified in standing up for himself.

01:09:26.020 He didn't objectively do anything that you should be charged for as president.

01:09:30.740 And he was ultimately, this is almost double jeopardy from my point of view.

01:09:34.060 And I think it goes back to the novel theory.

01:09:36.320 You know, he was president when this happened.

01:09:38.180 He had, you know, a sovereign immunity, you know, a presidential immunities, we call it

01:09:43.080 in the United States.

01:09:43.760 And to some extent, I know he was campaigning, you know, it could be portrayed as campaigning.

01:09:49.680 But ultimately, the Senate said that he, there was, there was no conviction of him in the

01:09:55.580 Senate.

01:09:55.920 So ultimately, in my opinion, that was a sham.

01:09:59.180 And then all of these indictments, which we touched on earlier, you know, and we've discussed

01:10:02.820 are all a sham as far as I'm concerned.

01:10:04.980 They're novel legal theories.

01:10:06.280 They're untested at the highest levels of the courts, in my opinion.

01:10:09.060 So I think that I can't fault Donald Trump in any, if anything, he's shown how horrible

01:10:16.540 our system is right now.

01:10:17.780 If it wasn't Donald Trump, it would be somebody else.

01:10:20.200 I appreciate it.

01:10:20.660 I want to address a point you made.

01:10:22.060 Okay.

01:10:22.380 Okay.

01:10:22.580 I want to start.

01:10:23.040 So we'll shift the conversation.

01:10:24.160 But I want to say something else.

01:10:25.020 You said that in a poll, 64% of people would not vote for Donald Trump.

01:10:29.680 Of the overall general.

01:10:30.680 And this is just one poll.

01:10:31.480 I'm not a fan of polls.

01:10:32.360 Right, right.

01:10:32.620 So, so my response is, should we not then, based on that argument, be getting behind

01:10:37.960 Vivek Ramaswamy, who is currently second place in the predicted prediction markets?

01:10:41.880 He's got a few polls.

01:10:42.960 Yeah, prediction markets are, you know.

01:10:43.920 He's also second place in several polls as well.

01:10:45.600 Okay.

01:10:45.880 He's prediction.

01:10:46.700 The prediction markets have a Biden beating Trump by like 30 points.

01:10:51.000 Okay.

01:10:51.140 So the prediction markets.

01:10:52.220 Right.

01:10:52.500 So would you get behind Vivek Ramaswamy now that he's ahead of Ron DeSantis?

01:10:56.440 In this poll?

01:10:57.140 In the panel.

01:10:57.420 No, this is the prediction market.

01:10:59.040 And then we also have RG.

01:10:59.420 Now in New Hampshire, New Hampshire, Chris Christie's ahead of Ron DeSantis.

01:11:02.600 These people, these people on these prediction markets are not betting on what's going to

01:11:06.060 happen next November.

01:11:07.060 They're betting on, you know, who's going to, it's like, it's like, but I'm not just saying

01:11:10.720 just as one source, I'm saying we have several polls showing Vivek in second place.

01:11:13.740 All of a sudden, he's not a fan of polls, right?

01:11:15.560 That's a funny thing.

01:11:16.340 It's like, I always, I always say, I am not saying Vivek is going to win.

01:11:20.180 My point is Vivek is currently in the press.

01:11:23.700 Let's talk about, let's talk about real quickly.

01:11:25.960 How powerful is, how powerful is the MAGA base?

01:11:29.100 We've seen this in poll after poll after poll.

01:11:31.180 Very powerful.

01:11:31.720 Without them, Ron DeSantis never would have been governor.

01:11:33.860 Poll after poll after poll.

01:11:34.940 We've seen this where they do an actual heat map of the people.

01:11:37.940 They, people say, well, who's your preferred candidate?

01:11:40.420 This early in the process, it's really mostly a name recognition people thing because most

01:11:44.640 people are not engaged.

01:11:45.880 Okay.

01:11:46.080 They don't care about politics.

01:11:47.060 They're not engaged.

01:11:47.900 But what we've seen is that Trump has got about 24, 25% core ride or die support, about

01:11:53.820 25%, never Trump, will never vote for him.

01:11:56.340 And about 50% that are kind of on the bubble.

01:11:58.600 Well, if after four years of his presidency and all this other stuff, and Trump being

01:12:02.520 a hundred percent name recognition guy, half the people are on the bubble.

01:12:06.200 That's like dating someone for six years and they come to you and they say, I think we

01:12:09.500 need to see other people.

01:12:10.360 It's not going to end well for you.

01:12:11.840 Okay.

01:12:12.160 These are people that have already looking for an exit ramp, but they don't know who that

01:12:15.560 exit ramp should be.

01:12:16.400 So they're still defaulting to the, it's not true.

01:12:19.120 It's not 20%.

01:12:20.480 It's not 20%.

01:12:21.520 I think it's more like 20%.

01:12:22.820 I, I, the, the, the only Trump base, the people that are only going to vote for president

01:12:28.000 Trump, and they're not going to show up to vote regardless of who the nominee is, unless

01:12:32.040 it's president Trump, right?

01:12:33.260 On the GOP ticket.

01:12:34.420 It's about 45% of GOP voters.

01:12:37.140 That's preposterous.

01:12:37.880 It's about at least, you have no basis for that number.

01:12:40.900 That's people who admit it.

01:12:41.820 That's people who admit it.

01:12:42.440 You have no basis for that number.

01:12:43.920 That's people who admit it.

01:12:45.840 There's a lot of Biden opposition baked into the cake.

01:12:48.520 So if you do the head to heads of Biden versus Ramaswamy versus DeSantis and versus Trump,

01:12:54.200 they have very similar numbers.

01:12:55.920 And so it's all within the margin of error between Trump and Ramaswamy and DeSantis.

01:12:59.200 We've seen about six different studies that have all come out and said this 25, 50, 25

01:13:04.620 thing, seen it over and over again.

01:13:05.780 I don't know where you get your 44%.

01:13:06.980 But if you say that, and we also see that really right now, the entire electorate is

01:13:12.300 about 25% GOP, 25% DNC, and about 50% independent.

01:13:17.080 So 25% are ride or die Trump.

01:13:19.940 25% are GOP.

01:13:22.360 That means about six percent of the electorate are ride or die Trump.

01:13:31.140 Okay.

01:13:31.400 So what does that mean?

01:13:32.260 So for Trump to win, he needs to win the independence, the middle vote.

01:13:35.580 So I tell you what, I don't know who you talk to, but the people I speak to with independence,

01:13:40.500 Trump has got a real serious problem, especially the suburban moms and so on and so forth, because

01:13:44.320 that's a stylistic thing.

01:13:45.660 I've had so many women come up to me and they, could you recognize me from TV or my show or

01:13:49.840 whatever?

01:13:50.400 And they say, and they say, and this is one of the reasons I supported DeSantis.

01:13:53.620 Bill is talking nice quite a bit.

01:13:54.940 That's true.

01:13:55.260 Okay.

01:13:55.480 But suburban moms, that's just absolutely not true.

01:13:58.160 If you take the litmus test, record high numbers of suburban moms turning out to vote for

01:14:02.940 president Trump, record high numbers of, of suburban women.

01:14:06.820 Okay.

01:14:07.220 And many other demographics as well.

01:14:09.320 And, and young women, especially millennial women turning out to vote for president Trump.

01:14:12.960 That's why he did so well with his, his, uh, his endorsements in the midterm.

01:14:17.440 You know, he did, he did.

01:14:18.780 I don't, I don't, he did.

01:14:19.680 No, I don't know.

01:14:20.460 Let me put it this way.

01:14:21.360 In the battleground states, he was, he lost like 60 to 70% of those.

01:14:26.600 And the ones that matter, the endorsements that he did went well with were ones that

01:14:30.160 he was going to hold 60% of his endorsements.

01:14:32.640 That's not true.

01:14:33.800 He's getting away with lying.

01:14:35.220 All were disasters.

01:14:35.820 He's getting away with just making crazy lies.

01:14:38.260 Okay.

01:14:39.060 I'm going to say it again.

01:14:40.020 I'm going to say it again.

01:14:41.240 She's talking over me.

01:14:42.360 So I'm just going to say it again.

01:14:44.600 He just said that 70% of Trump's endorsements lost.

01:14:47.620 That's not true.

01:14:48.020 That's not what I said.

01:14:48.900 I said of his endorsements in the battleground states, the tough ones, he lost those.

01:14:54.100 Look at it.

01:14:54.420 It was either 60 or 70%.

01:14:55.340 I don't remember the exact number, but he lost those.

01:14:57.340 The ones that he did very well in were like, he did over a hundred, but these were the,

01:15:01.340 these were the, the, the ones that he was going to win with an endorsement or not.

01:15:04.660 Right, right, right.

01:15:05.000 And here's, here's, here's the issue with this.

01:15:06.640 It doesn't matter if it was Trump or a block of provolone cheese with mass mail-in voting

01:15:13.240 and ballot harvesting and the operation that Democrats have pulled off since probably 2016,

01:15:18.020 to be completely honest, and have improved upon with 18, 2020 Republicans are making the

01:15:22.800 mistake of fighting a, an idea battle or, or a personality battle while Democrats are fighting

01:15:28.360 a procedural battle.

01:15:29.800 And I, when, when you look at, um, who was it?

01:15:32.220 Frisch in Boebert's district, almost winning.

01:15:35.180 Yeah, that was close.

01:15:35.900 Holy, how, how is it close?

01:15:37.900 Well, it's simple.

01:15:38.800 The ground game that Democrats have, the laws they changed and maintained on the books since

01:15:44.180 2020 gives them a massive advantage, universal mail-in voting.

01:15:48.520 One of the biggest mistakes Republicans made in Pennsylvania, probably on purpose, mind

01:15:52.620 you, because they don't like Trump.

01:15:54.120 When you have an urban district there and it's almost entirely Democrat or a suburban, you

01:15:59.960 go to the suburbs, you can go to one door, knock on the door and say, fill out the ballot.

01:16:03.960 You walk 10 feet, you're at another house, you knock on the door, fill out the ballot.

01:16:06.480 That's how they're getting massive suburban votes for the rural vote, which overwhelmingly

01:16:10.520 goes Trump, you have to drive like the nearest neighbor here.

01:16:14.180 It's going to take you a 10 minute walk.

01:16:15.960 So for the Republicans to get on ground game to find their base and convince voters in

01:16:19.900 rural suburban areas, it's very difficult.

01:16:21.720 But the key battleground being the suburbs, Republicans did not have the logistical apparatus.

01:16:27.560 Democrats are winning procedurally.

01:16:29.500 I don't think it matters.

01:16:31.180 We're arguing is Trump popular enough.

01:16:33.540 Look, you get a thousand, a thousand activists in the suburbs and you'll, and you will get people

01:16:39.120 to vote for Trump.

01:16:39.660 And the obverse of that, you know, I was a associate field director for, in the tea party

01:16:43.980 way for a congressional candidate in a blue district for Nan Hayworth.

01:16:48.860 And I had to knock doors and I had to do phone calls, but I was one of the first ones to mobilize

01:16:53.060 the tea party outreach and was able to like thread the needle of getting the tea party people

01:16:57.860 on board.

01:16:59.040 But you see, like the, the GOP establishment sucked the activist energy out of the, the conservative

01:17:05.820 Republican base by hijacking the tea party.

01:17:09.460 You know, like Paul Ryan and all of these, they led us to it down a blind alley.

01:17:13.740 There were of course some grifters involved in the tea party.

01:17:15.580 They did it in 2020 as well though.

01:17:16.820 And so like they, this is why I think Trump is exposing the GOP is, is in a lot of cases

01:17:21.600 and you know, the term controlled opposition has been around, but they're like the Washington

01:17:27.100 generals.

01:17:27.640 I love that analogy, you know, like they, they're there to be, let's look at the scoreboard

01:17:32.600 guys and the consultancy class is a huge problem with the Republicans.

01:17:37.360 So that's why I've sort of, when DeSantis made this pivot to try to thread the needle against

01:17:43.560 Trump in the light of all these outrageous indictments, it shows me that he's a little

01:17:47.820 bit not ready for prime time.

01:17:49.560 Okay.

01:17:49.880 Let's look at the scoreboard.

01:17:51.080 Forget the consultants.

01:17:52.100 DeSantis.

01:17:52.340 His campaign manager.

01:17:53.180 Five and O.

01:17:53.820 And that shows me that his, his, his leadership of his campaign, he's being too much of a

01:17:59.780 politician.

01:18:00.360 He needs to have a spine, go out there and, and really more forcefully.

01:18:05.440 And I, and I know he's trying to thread the needle here with the DOG weaponization and

01:18:08.740 drain the swamp and something that it's not needed right now.

01:18:11.220 To his point.

01:18:11.540 He needs to step up.

01:18:12.240 DeSantis five and O, Trump O and five scoreboard.

01:18:14.240 We can talk about the debate too, Bill, because I thought you had some interest.

01:18:16.460 To Kyle's point, that is true.

01:18:18.880 And there was a memo that actually ended up getting leaked, I believe to the New York Times yesterday

01:18:22.960 that proves exactly what you just said.

01:18:24.960 Yeah.

01:18:25.120 That's not, that's not real.

01:18:26.340 It actually is real.

01:18:27.260 How would you know if it's not real?

01:18:30.180 Are you a part of the DeSantis campaign?

01:18:31.100 I'm not a part of the DeSantis campaign, but I know for a fact that he's not going to,

01:18:34.980 uh, it is real.

01:18:36.200 It came from Jeff Rowe.

01:18:37.200 So this memo, okay.

01:18:38.380 Jeff Rowe is a part of the never back down pack.

01:18:40.360 And as we know, never back down is basically Ron DeSantis because they're illegally coordinating.

01:18:45.420 Yeah, they are.

01:18:45.860 Ron DeSantis' campaign is broke as we know.

01:18:48.640 And, uh, never back down is footing the bill for all of his expenses, including his bus tour

01:18:52.780 in Iowa just now, because Ron DeSantis doesn't have enough money to get himself through this

01:18:57.780 election.

01:18:58.120 He raised $20 million on the campaign end.

01:19:00.900 Okay.

01:19:01.220 Transferred the $82.5 million, uh, from his state committee to the never back down pack.

01:19:06.520 And then they raised about 30 million, uh, additional dollars on that side.

01:19:10.440 He already, he spent $1.5 million and you can look this up.

01:19:14.280 It's all factual each week in the five weeks.

01:19:17.360 Since, uh, he first filed to run on May 24th till I believe July 1st, which was the first

01:19:22.980 FEC filing a deadline, which means that, um, you know, if you do the math, okay, he had

01:19:28.760 already spent about $8 million and he had $12 million cash on hand.

01:19:33.600 $3 million was reserved for the general election.

01:19:37.040 And the FEC actually recently just sent them a violation letter because his campaign accountant

01:19:42.160 didn't even properly report on those numbers.

01:19:44.760 Okay.

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01:19:58.840 I organized the rally in front of the Miami courthouse when Trump had his arraignment, Vivek

01:20:02.940 Ramaswamy was the only other GOP candidate for president who showed up to take the

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01:21:45.440 Defend Donald Trump.

01:21:46.900 And then after you win the primary, right, you can go back to not being as pro-Trump.

01:21:54.040 Just like we saw when he had his kickoff event in Miami, Florida, and there was a secret recording

01:21:58.880 of the donor meeting where they said, what's your position on abortion?

01:22:01.820 And his advisors and donors said, well, you know, the governor, he only signed a six week

01:22:06.240 abortion ban in Florida to appeal to voters to win the GOP primary.

01:22:10.140 But we're actually going to take the Clinton approach of safe and legal abortion, right?

01:22:14.320 So he doesn't have policies.

01:22:15.800 He's doing what the D.C. consultants and the establishment strategists on Capitol Hill

01:22:21.420 are telling him to do.

01:22:23.160 And people are recognizing that.

01:22:25.040 Let me ask a question.

01:22:25.760 Yeah, the Florida abortion law is a huge outlet.

01:22:27.180 Let me ask a question.

01:22:28.380 It's unfortunate.

01:22:28.820 But DeSantis has already come out and said, I'm not for a federal abortion law, for instance.

01:22:35.020 And here's the thing.

01:22:35.800 It's really, you know, it's really a ridiculous premise because there's as much chance of the

01:22:39.920 moon crashing into the earth tomorrow as a heartbeat bill appearing on the desk of the

01:22:46.180 president.

01:22:46.460 It doesn't matter what he thinks.

01:22:48.040 The House and the Senate.

01:22:49.420 So it's never going to.

01:22:49.940 No, Tim, it doesn't matter.

01:22:52.500 That's really a mute point because it doesn't matter.

01:22:55.580 Mute is the word, by the way.

01:22:56.300 It doesn't matter if Ron DeSantis isn't in support of a federal abortion law because

01:23:02.340 it's thanks to President Trump and his, you know, appointments of three Supreme Court

01:23:06.840 justices.

01:23:07.840 We now have overturned Roe v. Wade.

01:23:09.600 And so abortion is now a state's issue.

01:23:11.720 Right.

01:23:11.860 So you're trying to defend Ron DeSantis with a point that really has no substance or opinion

01:23:17.940 question for where we're at.

01:23:19.540 It's not a federal issue.

01:23:20.740 I was ridiculous.

01:23:21.560 Do you understand what?

01:23:22.380 I understand.

01:23:24.180 I completely understand.

01:23:24.980 Do you understand what the overturning of Roe v. Wade actually did?

01:23:28.240 Yes, I completely understand.

01:23:29.800 But let me just say this one.

01:23:31.140 Let me say this one thing.

01:23:32.420 It is a state's rights issue.

01:23:33.740 And this is why it's what the Democrats are going to try to do is demagogue and say,

01:23:37.360 oh, DeSantis is president.

01:23:38.580 He's going to try to make a federal six week abortion ban.

01:23:41.500 It's never going to happen.

01:23:42.620 So DeSantis has been clear about that.

01:23:44.440 But he needs to continue to be clear about that.

01:23:45.980 That this is not a federalized issue.

01:23:47.660 So we're in agreement on that.

01:23:48.620 So let me neutralize his advantage in swing states with that.

01:23:51.880 What he needs to do is he needs to get behind the president that actually resulted in the removal of.

01:23:58.380 A broad question.

01:24:00.220 Why has Ron DeSantis tanked in the polls?

01:24:03.180 A year ago, he was the favorite two to one.

01:24:06.040 And now he's in some polls third place, typically in second place.

01:24:10.220 Yeah, you got to understand how polling works.

01:24:13.320 A lot of people don't understand how polling works.

01:24:15.380 Oh, please.

01:24:16.400 Okay, here's how polling works.

01:24:18.680 That for a poll, you may wonder, how can you do a poll of 800 people and have that represent 169 million voters, right?

01:24:24.800 How is that possible?

01:24:25.520 Well, it has to be scientifically random.

01:24:28.160 What that means is that you've got to randomly call 800 people to get a response that equals what the population looks like.

01:24:35.800 That used to be possible back before we had caller ID and cell phones.

01:24:38.960 But now we have caller ID and cell phones, you don't get an 80 to 90% response rate like is required.

01:24:43.920 You get less than a 6% response rate.

01:24:46.060 So what does that mean?

01:24:47.040 That means these pollsters are all reweighting these polls.

01:24:49.900 They also have a tribal behavior where nobody wants to have the big outlier poll.

01:24:54.260 They all want to come in in the same range.

01:24:57.020 In addition, a lot of these polls are registered voter rolls.

01:25:00.120 That has nothing to do with it.

01:25:01.400 It's the fact that there's no such thing as a DeSantis base, okay?

01:25:06.380 There's a Trump base.

01:25:07.340 And the only reason why Ron DeSantis was ever, you know, a known entity after he won his election as governor is because of Donald Trump.

01:25:15.760 Right, but let me address this.

01:25:16.980 But I'm explaining the answer right now.

01:25:18.500 I'm telling you the reason why he's plummeting in the polls.

01:25:20.100 So DeSantis won by 20 points when Trump was getting his butt kicked all over the country.

01:25:23.500 He was a no-name congressman, okay, who nearly got beat by a crackhead, who nearly got beat by a crackhead known as Andrew Gillum.

01:25:31.460 And if it wasn't for Donald Trump, if it wasn't for Donald Trump endorsing his failed campaign, and I will say it was Matt Gaetz, okay, and if we want to understand who was the person responsible for Ron DeSantis, it was Matt Gaetz who told President Trump to endorse Ron DeSantis.

01:25:50.200 And then Ron DeSantis, he pretended, he only became popular because he pretended to be pro-Trump.

01:25:58.260 He dressed his kids up in onesies.

01:26:00.080 He ran campaign commercials saying that he was going to pretend build the wall with my little toddler with Legos, you know?

01:26:06.360 He pretended to be a Trump mini-me, which is why people liked him and possibly considered him to be a potential heir apparent to Donald Trump.

01:26:13.960 And he won by 20 points three days after Trump called him Ron Sanctimonious.

01:26:19.040 And then he lied to the voters in Florida, he said he wanted to be governor for another four years, and he stabbed Donald Trump, the man he owes his entire political career to, in the past year.

01:26:28.780 All right, hold on, hold on.

01:26:29.700 This is not the mafia.

01:26:30.940 He's an angry.

01:26:32.140 He's an absolute angry.

01:26:33.000 Let's take a look at the answers we have right now.

01:26:33.700 And all the money in the world isn't going to buy him the personality transplant that he needs, okay?

01:26:38.520 He's on the spectrum, and he's never going to have the personality or charisma that Donald Trump has.

01:26:43.120 I agree with the charisma thing, but let's address this.

01:26:45.480 Your argument is that Ron DeSantis had tremendous support because he was like Trump and behind Trump.

01:26:51.720 He pretended to be like Trump.

01:26:52.940 Now, but we need to get to this point.

01:26:53.940 You mentioned procedural issues with polling.

01:26:57.000 I was trying to get to my point, and you guys cut me off on the procedural issues with polling.

01:27:00.780 So what we've got is, I have seen pollsters turning out polls I have never heard of before, and I follow this stuff for a living.

01:27:07.020 Who are all these people?

01:27:07.680 But this is my question.

01:27:08.800 These pollsters are all trying to make a buck.

01:27:10.760 Who's paying for the polls?

01:27:11.760 Hold on.

01:27:12.200 Every pollster should have to say, who paid for my vote?

01:27:14.760 I get this, but are you arguing that DeSantis is only doing bad because pollsters are out to get him?

01:27:20.380 I'm arguing that the polls are wrong.

01:27:22.540 It's ridiculous.

01:27:23.100 But why would everything be wrong?

01:27:24.660 Everything's wrong.

01:27:26.000 Okay, look, I understand the polls are wrong.

01:27:27.660 I agree.

01:27:28.620 We saw, I think it was a seven-point swing in the wrong direction in 2018.

01:27:32.900 No, I think it was like 13.

01:27:33.820 He was ahead of Trump by 16 points three weeks before the election in 2016.

01:27:36.800 So right now, so you can make the argument that they oversample Democrats in many of these polls, which is one of the big arguments as to why there was that swing and why they were wrong in supporting Hillary.

01:27:46.020 But if it's an internal GOP poll, wouldn't they favor Ron DeSantis?

01:27:52.580 Who's, which internal GOP poll?

01:27:54.940 No, what I'm saying is if the polls are asking Republican voters who they support, why would there be a bias towards Trump?

01:28:02.080 Because you don't understand that most of these polls, these are, if you have a poll of just registered voters or adults, God help us, about only, with 2020 accepted, typically only about 54% of registered voters vote.

01:28:16.780 So that means that about half the people, please listen, yes it does, means about half the people that are responding to this poll are not, there are low information voters, they're not engaged.

01:28:27.540 So when the pollster calls them, if they do answer the phone, if they do answer the phone, they're going with the name they recognize, they don't recognize Governor DeSantis.

01:28:38.480 And when the voter goes into the voting booth, it'll be the exact same.

01:28:40.880 But we got a million years before they go into the voting booth.

01:28:44.000 Now also, my question is, why is he going down?

01:28:46.800 He was higher in the polls, now he's going down.

01:28:48.360 Thank you for admitting that Ron DeSantis doesn't have name ID.

01:28:52.080 Yeah, with more name ID.

01:28:53.200 Thank you for admitting that he doesn't have name ID.

01:28:53.900 With more name ID, right, good point.

01:28:55.460 But what I'm saying is, you're trusting the polls, you should not be trusting the polls, because there's all kinds of waiting bias on here.

01:29:03.280 And this is an amazing thing, the polls are wrong, year after year after year, and still we say, the polls, the polls, the polls.

01:29:08.220 Look at what Trump has meant.

01:29:08.900 But all of these different polls are trending generally the same way, so it's not systematic, you're saying there's systematic error?

01:29:15.100 Yes, it's a tribal thing.

01:29:17.620 You guys really need to do some research on this stuff.

01:29:19.540 No, I'm sorry, I studied it.

01:29:20.920 No, we don't need to do research on anything.

01:29:23.140 It's so sanctimonious.

01:29:24.540 It's so sanctimonious.

01:29:25.420 Hold on, hold on.

01:29:25.860 Let me address your point.

01:29:27.720 Donald Trump has a 50-point lead, okay?

01:29:30.320 This is ridiculous.

01:29:31.400 He has a 50-point lead nationally right now.

01:29:33.900 Yes, he does.

01:29:34.160 Let me address Bill's point.

01:29:35.120 Yes, he does.

01:29:35.880 The polls are 30s.

01:29:37.500 If you want to talk about margin of error with polls, okay, 4% here and there.

01:29:40.400 Let's talk about the actual polls.

01:29:42.200 Okay, fine.

01:29:42.760 You don't understand how polling works.

01:29:43.760 I do understand.

01:29:44.500 I do understand.

01:29:46.020 Guys, let me address the point he just made.

01:29:47.880 You're saying that the polls today are wrong, but that makes literally no sense.

01:29:52.840 If the polls six months ago favored DeSantis, that makes no sense.

01:29:57.200 If they're going down now, the only explanation is something politically is happening.

01:30:01.420 You can't say six months ago the polls were right, but now they're wrong.

01:30:03.900 Let's talk about, because I've already tried to explain this to you about how polls and

01:30:09.420 how you can't trust polls now.

01:30:10.200 Okay, so why can't you trust the polls six months ago when DeSantis was hired?

01:30:12.820 I'm not saying you can trust the polls six months ago.

01:30:14.760 So DeSantis has never been leading.

01:30:17.020 DeSantis was never leading.

01:30:18.140 He was never leading.

01:30:19.100 But let me, my argument is that these pollsters would, to support your argument, they would

01:30:23.760 have to be independently biased against DeSantis all of a sudden.

01:30:27.440 You're actually, they're trading together.

01:30:28.760 You don't bring it together.

01:30:28.840 These pollsters coordinate and talk to one another all the time.

01:30:30.980 No, I'm saying like, in terms of what you're saying, they're all trading together independently

01:30:35.280 so that, so that you can make an argument of systematic bias, but it doesn't explain the

01:30:39.880 wide margins that Trump has over DeSantis and DeSantis going the wrong way.

01:30:44.180 So I'm just saying.

01:30:44.960 Yeah, the polls, listen, if you, here's what, here's what I think.

01:30:48.000 No, no, I agree.

01:30:48.740 DeSantis was never ahead.

01:30:49.880 It was always ahead.

01:30:51.220 He's a Manchurian candidate.

01:30:53.020 Okay, he's a Manchurian candidate.

01:30:54.480 We love the fact that you people on the Trump side are trusting these polls.

01:30:58.520 You're just like Hillary before 2006.

01:31:00.220 Oh, I don't need to go here.

01:31:01.360 I don't need to go there.

01:31:02.240 I'm so, we love the fact.

01:31:03.380 Let it, let it, let it, let it.

01:31:04.860 You're just so disingenuous.

01:31:07.240 I'm sorry.

01:31:07.760 This is why she never gets on my spaces.

01:31:09.460 I don't want to go on your spaces, Bill.

01:31:11.220 Make your point.

01:31:11.780 Make your point.

01:31:12.180 I'm a known entity.

01:31:12.920 You're a nobody.

01:31:13.700 You, you are a grifter who made your entire career off of pretending to be a Trump supporter.

01:31:18.340 And then as soon as times got hard, you stabbed him in the back.

01:31:21.520 I'm loyal.

01:31:22.300 Okay.

01:31:22.820 I'm loyal.

01:31:24.020 You're trying to fight America down the drain.

01:31:26.260 I am a loyal person and I have stood by President Trump.

01:31:29.180 Okay.

01:31:29.620 Let's not have you guys argue with each other.

01:31:30.740 Let's not have you guys argue with each other.

01:31:30.760 Let's not win the general election.

01:31:31.880 I don't want to go on your spaces.

01:31:33.560 Let's get that clear.

01:31:34.580 I don't have any desire to go on your spaces.

01:31:36.620 Okay.

01:31:36.960 Okay.

01:31:37.140 You don't have any impact.

01:31:40.500 I'm breaking stories that are actually impacting the national election.

01:31:44.140 I was with President Trump this weekend.

01:31:46.000 You're not doing anything of significance, Bill.

01:31:48.400 Understand that.

01:31:49.480 Okay.

01:31:49.820 Because you keep on using that as a dig.

01:31:51.500 I don't want to go on your space.

01:31:53.060 We don't need to have Ed Hamden.

01:31:53.680 You don't need to say she was on your spaces the other day.

01:31:56.280 Understand because you lied about me.

01:31:57.560 You called me QAnon when you are the QAnon grifter.

01:32:00.400 I have never supported QAnon.

01:32:01.880 I'm not.

01:32:02.340 I have so many photos on my phone that I could pull up right now that showed you supported QAnon.

01:32:05.680 Let's talk about, let's talk about, let's talk about something real as opposed to the

01:32:08.320 polls.

01:32:08.540 Because I clearly, I made my point on the polls.

01:32:10.280 The polls are real when Ron DeSantis is meeting.

01:32:12.200 I want to bring up a poll.

01:32:13.080 All of a sudden, let me talk about Iowa.

01:32:15.460 Let me address what you said.

01:32:16.480 Let me address what you said and then we'll go to Iowa.

01:32:18.080 It's so ridiculous.

01:32:18.900 You have to admit.

01:32:19.620 One of the things you just said is you, you Trump supporters believing these polls.

01:32:23.560 And one of the issues that I've taken, as anybody who watches my show, when I,

01:32:27.920 a year ago, a year and a half ago, I was hanging out with the Daily Wire crew and said,

01:32:31.480 you know, I voted for Trump for the first time.

01:32:33.520 I didn't vote in 2016.

01:32:34.360 Now I'm thinking Ron DeSantis because he's Trump with tact.

01:32:37.820 He's younger, he's energetic, and I think he's got it.

01:32:40.160 And then earlier this year, I said, you know, I feel like Trump's revenge bent will result

01:32:45.580 was more likely to result in firing, but I'm 50-50.

01:32:48.180 When I was, when I was supporting Ron DeSantis, not a single Trump supporter insulted me,

01:32:53.220 attacked me, lied about me.

01:32:55.340 They, you're not in my feed.

01:32:57.120 Yeah.

01:32:57.380 So I have these Trump supporters come on the show and I say, I'm leaning towards DeSantis.

01:33:01.140 And you get people like Matt Gaetz saying, no way, Trump all the way.

01:33:04.000 And that was the worst of it.

01:33:05.560 The moment I made one point, I made one point about Jazz Jennings in Florida that was not

01:33:11.840 in any way an attack on Ron DeSantis.

01:33:13.660 His actual campaign staff attacked me on Twitter.

01:33:17.480 What is it with the DeSantis base that the moment I say something like, hey, Ron should

01:33:23.400 have done a thing.

01:33:24.340 It is a relentless barrage.

01:33:26.080 And I'm not the only one to bring this up.

01:33:27.360 Again, shout out to Mike Cernovich.

01:33:28.820 He's, he's experiencing the exact same thing.

01:33:30.720 You bring up criticism of Trump.

01:33:32.460 I could say, I could say, I know Mike Cernovich.

01:33:34.360 I can say on my show, I can say on my show that Donald Trump should be investigated for

01:33:39.160 the commando raid in Yemen that allegedly resulted in the death of an eight-year-old American girl.

01:33:43.020 And Trump supporters don't attack me or insult me for it.

01:33:45.680 Okay.

01:33:45.800 I can, they can say, well, you know, let's talk about one of your friends, Alex Broshwitz.

01:33:48.880 Because in his feed the other day, he says that I look like an aging lesbian.

01:33:54.840 Okay.

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01:35:22.620 Hey.

01:35:23.800 What does that have to do?

01:35:25.700 This is my point.

01:35:26.660 But is he wrong?

01:35:27.700 Is he wrong?

01:35:28.360 Did I look like an agent?

01:35:29.020 Okay, guys.

01:35:29.560 Stop.

01:35:30.120 No, no, no, no.

01:35:30.440 I'm not attacking.

01:35:31.140 I asked the question.

01:35:31.900 I never said I agreed.

01:35:32.860 I asked him.

01:35:33.300 Is he wrong?

01:35:33.980 I knew you six years ago.

01:35:35.320 No, you look nothing like you looked six years ago.

01:35:37.280 This is all my fault.

01:35:37.860 Why are you bringing up Alex Brusewitz?

01:35:40.540 Well, my point is the DeSantis surrogates and campaign are attacking former or potential

01:35:44.480 allies.

01:35:45.360 I don't care about Alex Brusewitz and I don't care about your arguments with Laura.

01:35:49.140 My issue is many people have noted that Christina Peshaw, Redfern, Brian Griffin, many of his

01:35:55.420 actual staffers are attacking people who should be his allies.

01:35:59.080 Why?

01:36:00.240 Where are they?

01:36:01.200 Why did you see it?

01:36:02.400 Why did?

01:36:02.880 Why did?

01:36:02.900 Why did Brian Griffin, Jeremy Redfern, Christina Peshaw, this is how this is how tone deaf

01:36:08.060 the the Trump camp is.

01:36:10.900 I'm not Trump camp.

01:36:11.980 The Trump camp is so toxic and attacking all the time with all these various laws.

01:36:18.340 You said you said.

01:36:19.980 And there it is.

01:36:20.620 And there it is.

01:36:20.960 This is my point.

01:36:21.500 You said that Casey DeSantis faked her cancer.

01:36:23.940 I never said that.

01:36:24.640 I said she exaggerated it.

01:36:26.220 I said she exaggerated it.

01:36:27.300 And this is exactly my point.

01:36:27.580 The inability.

01:36:28.100 This is your point.

01:36:29.960 I'm sorry.

01:36:31.160 And this is a turn off to a lot of people who are trying to make up their minds with

01:36:35.540 rational reasons.

01:36:36.880 I said she exaggerated it.

01:36:38.700 I supported Ron DeSantis.

01:36:40.080 She can say that Casey DeSantis had the faked her.

01:36:42.100 That has nothing to do with me or my exagerator of the cancer.

01:36:44.700 I never said she faked it.

01:36:44.840 And if I say something about that, I'm just thinking.

01:36:46.860 No, you're talking about me.

01:36:48.200 This is the issue I have.

01:36:49.360 I don't care about what Laura said to you.

01:36:51.500 I don't care what Alex Brusewitz said about Christina Peshaw.

01:36:54.360 Why are they insulting me and other potential and former allies for no reason?

01:37:00.220 And then you immediately go, but Laura Loomer, I don't care.

01:37:03.140 My issue is I go on Twitter and I said there was a video of Jazz Jennings getting all of

01:37:09.020 these surgeries in Florida.

01:37:10.240 And I said, wow, is this happening in Florida?

01:37:12.720 Where's Ron DeSantis?

01:37:13.880 The simple response from his from his communications team was should have been winky emoji.

01:37:18.740 We're working on it.

01:37:19.740 And I'm like, awesome, because I had no beef with DeSantis and I was in support of him.

01:37:24.200 Instead, they called me a moron, an idiot.

01:37:26.720 They said DeSantis doesn't have a time machine.

01:37:28.280 It's not possible.

01:37:28.960 And they lied.

01:37:30.140 Jazz Jennings got trans surgery while Ron DeSantis was governor in Florida.

01:37:34.600 I don't understand why all of a sudden I'm getting a barrage from his campaign staff and

01:37:39.380 from his gubernatorial staff when all I said was, where is he?

01:37:42.540 I didn't insult him.

01:37:43.580 And then what happens?

01:37:44.860 I start I put out a tweet saying, will recently will Ron DeSantis stand by his words to not

01:37:50.580 extradite Trump again?

01:37:52.120 All of the fans, they start insulting me.

01:37:54.340 They make deep fakes about me.

01:37:55.680 And when I say, guys, why are you attacking me?

01:37:57.880 They just call me insults.

01:37:59.260 And then when I speak to even someone like you, you go, but Laura Loomer, I don't know

01:38:03.760 what Laura Loomer said.

01:38:04.800 I'm not.

01:38:04.980 I don't know what people say to you.

01:38:06.060 I don't.

01:38:06.360 I don't.

01:38:06.680 The question is, why are there so many all day, every day?

01:38:10.000 Why are there so many Laura Loomer by Alex Broch?

01:38:12.260 I get that.

01:38:13.000 Hey, Tim, I'll answer the reason why.

01:38:15.580 I'll answer your question.

01:38:16.680 Let me ask real quick, just for clarification.

01:38:18.800 I'm a cancer survivor.

01:38:19.940 I take offense by what she said.

01:38:21.920 And I don't know what she said.

01:38:22.800 And my question is this.

01:38:23.680 Be an adult and get over it.

01:38:24.780 Everybody gets offended.

01:38:25.780 It's called free speech.

01:38:26.720 In this campaign.

01:38:27.640 It's called free speech.

01:38:28.420 OK, let me let me ask this question.

01:38:30.300 In this campaign, there are many people who are potential or former allies of DeSantis

01:38:36.020 who have been insulted and attacked by his fans, his surrogates and his staff.

01:38:40.220 My question is, why?

01:38:42.020 Why?

01:38:42.780 OK, let's see.

01:38:44.260 Three days before DeSantis' re-election campaign, Trump calls him DeSantis.

01:38:50.140 Then he starts calling him Meatball.

01:38:52.000 Then he says that he's a rhino.

01:38:53.400 Then he says he's a globalist.

01:38:55.740 And then why am I being insulted because of that?

01:38:58.060 And then DeSantis' team.

01:38:58.540 What does that have anything to do with you guys attacking Tim Pool?

01:39:01.200 Then DeSantis' camp fights back.

01:39:03.620 Fighting me?

01:39:04.380 And then everybody's like, oh, how can you do this?

01:39:07.680 That's not the reason why Tim Pool had an issue with Christina Poushaw.

01:39:11.900 You're trying to deflect and say it's about Trump.

01:39:13.840 This is the problem.

01:39:14.420 They attacked him and then they stole his footage.

01:39:16.240 This is the problem with the entire Trump team.

01:39:18.140 They stole his footage.

01:39:19.000 This is the entire with the entire Trump team.

01:39:20.760 They have a terrible case of dish it out, but can't take it.

01:39:24.440 Oh, we can take it.

01:39:25.000 I can take it.

01:39:25.820 I'll give you an example.

01:39:26.640 I'll take you to the mat with a slam dunk any day.

01:39:29.440 I guarantee you nobody says anything about you that don't say anything about me.

01:39:31.400 Christina Poushaw and Jeremy Redfern personally tweeted at me, insulting me.

01:39:34.820 And I was like, I'm 50-50 between Trump or DeSantis.

01:39:37.820 And now I'm like, first of all, I will not throw DeSantis under the bus because he has

01:39:42.260 awful supporters, but I will criticize him for having terrible campaign staff.

01:39:45.540 He should have fired Poushaw a long time ago.

01:39:47.600 Yeah, yeah, this this whole idea, this whole I can dish it out, but can't take it.

01:39:52.700 I didn't do that.

01:39:54.080 Trump is Trump.

01:39:54.820 He asked a question.

01:39:56.460 Let me put it this way.

01:39:57.180 Trump asked a question.

01:39:58.420 Trump is Trump is the embodiment of toxic.

01:40:00.380 And this is what I think is kind of a music is that Trump.

01:40:02.840 We are not talking about that.

01:40:04.140 We're we ask you to address.

01:40:05.720 We ask you to address this.

01:40:07.280 We ask you to address this.

01:40:08.620 Let me just make this point very simply.

01:40:10.320 The question I'm asking has nothing to do with DeSantis and Trump supporters insulting each

01:40:14.700 other.

01:40:15.000 Yeah.

01:40:15.320 The issue is.

01:40:16.220 Why would somebody mean to you?

01:40:17.600 I don't know.

01:40:17.920 Why wouldn't somebody?

01:40:19.180 My point is this.

01:40:22.720 Why is it that when I say I'm in favor of DeSantis, the Trump people desperately try to persuade

01:40:29.180 me?

01:40:29.920 And when I when I say, yes, you know what?

01:40:32.440 I'll put it this way.

01:40:33.300 Maybe that's your fee, but that's not my.

01:40:35.180 Absolutely.

01:40:35.820 And my point is this.

01:40:36.940 I'm not the only one who's made this point.

01:40:38.640 Several other prominent personalities have brought up DeSantis staff surrogates and supporters

01:40:43.420 attack them and Trump supporters woo them.

01:40:46.180 Oh, my God.

01:40:47.760 So I just need a moment.

01:40:50.860 I need a moment here because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.

01:40:53.820 Meetings with Governor DeSantis.

01:40:55.220 And I did go to one.

01:40:56.160 I thought it was in good standing with her.

01:40:58.260 I wrote one article that was critical.

01:41:00.320 Were these the social media influencers where they were paying people?

01:41:03.040 Did you ever get offered payment?

01:41:04.500 No, I didn't get a payment.

01:41:06.080 I'm going to say this right now.

01:41:09.060 I'm going to look right in the camera for everybody that follows me on Twitter.

01:41:11.820 Is that these are these are people that that like Trump now, apparently, who are saying

01:41:16.820 that Trump are just wooing us and being sweet and DeSantis is being mean.

01:41:21.080 I know you're laughing at your phones right now because we know that is not even.

01:41:25.180 So my point is that I went there.

01:41:27.840 I covered the covid accountability summit that he had in December and I was on support

01:41:33.140 of him and I because I really wanted covid accountability for a lot of these these pharmaceutical

01:41:38.180 companies that I argue fraudulently advertise their products and shouldn't have gotten liability.

01:41:44.160 Are you talking about the grand jury?

01:41:45.600 Yeah.

01:41:46.080 Oh, I gave.

01:41:46.840 I have a question to that.

01:41:47.980 So my point was I thought everything was fine.

01:41:50.040 I go back.

01:41:50.540 I remember reporting, you know, I pride myself to be independent.

01:41:54.300 So I reported a critical article of DeSantis.

01:41:57.020 The next thing I know, Pasha has unfollowed me.

01:41:59.400 There's radio communication silence.

01:42:01.160 And, you know, I've talked to, you know, some of his spokespeople.

01:42:04.400 And, you know, I think I think that they're, you know, well-meaning, good people in general.

01:42:09.180 But I can say that in terms of Pasha, her behavior is somewhat mystified me.

01:42:13.620 And I have no, I don't work.

01:42:15.600 I will add one thing real quick.

01:42:17.240 I last year, as I mentioned, I'm on the daily wire hanging out with these guys.

01:42:23.300 We're talking about why DeSantis was the right choice.

01:42:25.460 And Trump supporters are asking us to come on the show.

01:42:28.640 I make one criticism of Ron DeSantis, not even not even a strong one.

01:42:32.600 I said, where is he?

01:42:33.460 And they've banned their their campaign staff and supporters from coming on this show to the

01:42:38.900 sense that they can.

01:42:39.620 And you're shaking your head.

01:42:40.280 But I'm sorry.

01:42:40.960 This entire argument is beyond laughable.

01:42:44.240 I mean, take Alex Brochowicz, who's one of Trump's top guys, and read his feed sometimes.

01:42:49.760 It is obscene.

01:42:51.080 Look at the things that Laura Loomer says.

01:42:52.960 It is obscene.

01:42:53.360 Everything I say is factual.

01:42:54.860 Everything I say is factual.

01:42:56.100 Wait, wait, wait.

01:42:56.900 It's factual.

01:42:57.420 The case is it is over.

01:42:58.580 The nastiness has been.

01:43:00.300 There's been people with sharp elbows on both sides.

01:43:02.880 And now let me say it.

01:43:05.060 But let's let's not do this whole thing.

01:43:06.720 But Tim, I want to answer the question that he didn't want to answer.

01:43:09.540 Let's not do this whole thing.

01:43:10.760 I'm talking right now.

01:43:11.840 This let's not do the whole thing where Trump is all brightness and light and sugar and the

01:43:17.440 DeSantis team is all evil and mean.

01:43:20.420 OK, see, this is what I can't.

01:43:22.260 Here's here's here's what happened.

01:43:24.060 That Trump had dangled in front of Laura Loomer, a job offer.

01:43:27.400 Right.

01:43:27.820 And then Trump's team came to say, listen, she's way too toxic.

01:43:32.240 That's not true.

01:43:33.240 Said that she's crazy.

01:43:34.280 And then you have gone on Twitter and you have accused the Trump team of being backstabbers

01:43:40.280 several times.

01:43:40.960 I said that there are people that work for President Trump who I think are leakers.

01:43:45.240 Clearly, that is the case, given the fact that they leaked to The New York Times because

01:43:48.920 that was a private meeting and he didn't dangle a carrot.

01:43:51.420 He threw you under the bus.

01:43:51.940 He didn't throw me under the bus.

01:43:52.880 He threw you under the bus.

01:43:53.600 You're not privy to the private conversations that I have had with President Trump.

01:43:57.260 All right.

01:43:58.020 When you are too toxic for Trump, you are beyond toxic because Trump is the embodiment of toxic.

01:44:01.960 So if I was too toxic for Trump, why did he invite me to sit in his presidential suite

01:44:06.060 with...

01:44:06.560 Because he's desperate.

01:44:07.600 OK, but we don't need to make this...

01:44:09.200 OK, Trump, if you guys argue with each other...

01:44:09.920 But I wanted to actually answer your question.

01:44:11.700 And look, unlike people like you, I'm actually loyal.

01:44:14.560 And so, yeah, it was unfortunate that certain people on his staff...

01:44:18.320 I'm loyal to America, not to a man.

01:44:19.620 I don't care about loyalty tests.

01:44:21.000 Let me just say this.

01:44:22.880 Yes, it was unfortunate that certain people on his staff decided to leak a private meeting

01:44:28.660 to The New York Times in an effort to try to sabotage me.

01:44:32.160 But at the end of the day, my loyalty to President Trump and the America First movement

01:44:37.320 is greater than my own ego.

01:44:40.040 And I could have easily said, you know what?

01:44:41.640 I'm loyal to America, not to a man.

01:44:42.260 I could have easily said, you know what?

01:44:43.880 And Trump's bad for America.

01:44:44.860 I'm going to turn.

01:44:45.300 I'm going to flip.

01:44:46.700 I'm not going to support him anymore.

01:44:48.540 But I've stayed loyal.

01:44:50.300 And I would love to work for President Trump.

01:44:52.240 I really would.

01:44:52.820 I would love to work for President Trump.

01:44:54.720 And I agree that he's hired some bad people.

01:44:56.780 I would like to help him have better discernment on that front.

01:44:59.940 As an investigative journalist, right?

01:45:01.720 I would love to help President Trump.

01:45:03.540 You're not an investigative journalist.

01:45:03.560 You're an ambush journalist.

01:45:04.920 I am an investigative journalist.

01:45:06.080 You're an ambush journalist.

01:45:07.000 I worked for Project Veritas.

01:45:09.720 I was undercover in the Hillary Clinton campaign.

01:45:11.740 And my videos were used during the debate.

01:45:13.520 You don't get both sides of that story.

01:45:14.940 You're just ambushed people.

01:45:15.660 Not an argument.

01:45:16.100 I want to tell you, OK, and I want to tell you that the reason why they get so nasty

01:45:21.640 towards you is because Ron DeSantis really wants state.

01:45:24.320 He wants state media in the state of Florida.

01:45:26.640 There was actually a bill that was proposed by a legislature in Florida who was endorsed

01:45:31.740 by Ron DeSantis.

01:45:32.580 You can look it up.

01:45:33.580 And it was called the Blogger Bill.

01:45:35.360 And they wanted to, in preparation for Ron DeSantis running for president, they were hoping

01:45:39.460 nobody was going to notice this so that, like they resigned to run law, they would be able

01:45:43.860 to pass it through and not have any pushback.

01:45:46.420 OK, the bill stated that if you wanted to even talk about Ron DeSantis positively or negatively,

01:45:52.120 you had to get approval from the state first and get a license in order to actually write

01:45:58.160 about him.

01:45:58.680 So and then if you didn't have the license, you would you you would be in violation.

01:46:02.500 Look it up.

01:46:02.900 It's a blogger bill.

01:46:03.640 And so it's called the Florida Blogger Bill.

01:46:06.760 So Ron DeSantis wanted to make it so that you had to get a state license to talk about

01:46:10.980 him or else you'd be fined.

01:46:12.780 And so then when this came out, people were like, oh, my God, this is what you see in

01:46:16.040 like communist countries.

01:46:17.600 And then Ron DeSantis had a press conference and said, well, you know, a lot of legislators

01:46:21.060 use my name and I don't even know this guy.

01:46:23.420 There's a complete misinterpretation.

01:46:25.000 I don't even know this guy that did the bill.

01:46:26.360 Meanwhile, he endorsed him.

01:46:27.640 He literally endorsed the misinterpretation of that.

01:46:30.040 It's actually not.

01:46:30.920 It's actually not.

01:46:31.660 There were people on the right and the left that criticized this.

01:46:33.880 So they're so angry, Tim, that you're asking questions because you are you have the largest

01:46:38.720 live YouTube show every night.

01:46:40.700 Did you look it up?

01:46:41.360 A blogger bill?

01:46:41.880 Do you need me to find it?

01:46:42.620 I did.

01:46:42.900 It was a state senator, a Republican state senator in Florida introduced the bill.

01:46:46.560 And he was endorsed by DeSantis.

01:46:47.980 And DeSantis lied and said, oh, I'll hear I'll give you a bill so people know, because

01:46:51.780 I don't want to be accused of spreading fake news.

01:46:53.360 This is real.

01:46:53.940 This happened.

01:46:54.420 Quote, if a blogger posts to a blog about an elected state officer and receives or will

01:46:58.480 receive compensation for the post, the blogger must register with the appropriate office

01:47:01.720 within five days of the post legislation says.

01:47:03.880 Now that's but there's more to you.

01:47:05.520 It defines the officer.

01:47:06.620 It specifically mentioned DeSantis's name, too.

01:47:08.320 And it said it says it would have a license.

01:47:10.300 The bill proposed would require bloggers who write about state officials to disclose who's

01:47:14.120 paying them.

01:47:14.520 It would require bloggers to write a Florida bill would require bloggers who write about

01:47:18.960 the governor legislation to register with the state.

01:47:20.700 Told you.

01:47:21.100 Right.

01:47:21.500 OK, so let me let me let me let me address what you said.

01:47:24.860 Let me throw.

01:47:25.220 I need to final finalize the point here about what I was bringing.

01:47:28.280 Let me just.

01:47:28.900 I want to hear Tim actually keep it on track.

01:47:32.820 So go ahead.

01:47:33.380 And then I'll throw it to you.

01:47:34.340 OK, so I don't know about that's why they they came after me.

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01:49:20.540 Flame wars.

01:49:22.300 I think they're just saying we're going to war with anybody who criticizes Desjardins,

01:49:26.380 and that's been a bad strategy.

01:49:27.260 But that's why, though, because they were hoping, OK?

01:49:29.640 In this legislative session.

01:49:31.080 Am I, is there a glitch in the matrix?

01:49:32.940 Am I living in an alternative universe?

01:49:34.420 I mean, where I am under assault 24-7 by these Trumps.

01:49:38.260 I'm not talking about you.

01:49:39.920 We're not talking about you.

01:49:41.580 Let me address this thing, this bill that you guys are talking about.

01:49:48.180 Now, the key point of that bill is not just bloggers,

01:49:51.220 but bloggers are being ding, ding, ding, ding, paid for what they're doing.

01:49:54.720 So basically what they're saying is these bloggers are an infomercial.

01:49:59.000 It's not about whether you're getting paid.

01:50:01.500 Yes, that's what the bill is about.

01:50:02.980 No, it said if you're getting paid or if you're writing about the governor,

01:50:06.080 you have to register with the state.

01:50:06.740 No, if you're getting paid to write about the governor,

01:50:09.120 let me make it clear.

01:50:10.200 You have to register with the state.

01:50:11.360 It's not just about if you're getting paid.

01:50:13.080 So basically, you're creating an infomercial against Governor DeSantis

01:50:20.220 or whatever you're doing.

01:50:21.540 You should be able to do whatever you want.

01:50:23.300 It's called freedom of the press.

01:50:24.320 But the whole idea is if you're representing yourself

01:50:28.440 as an independent blogger, okay, just stating your own opinion, that's fine.

01:50:32.620 But if you're being paid by somebody to say things,

01:50:34.820 you need to reveal that this is a paid...

01:50:39.080 It's like an ad for a campaign ad.

01:50:43.080 At the end of a campaign ad, they always say,

01:50:44.780 this ad was paid for by such and such campaigns.

01:50:47.660 The problem with these bloggers is they are not admitting

01:50:49.780 they're being paid by a Trump ad.

01:50:51.600 It's a way to control.

01:50:52.040 If Governor DeSantis is the governor...

01:50:54.960 You're ignoring the point of the law.

01:50:55.840 What can I say?

01:50:57.120 She's ignoring the point of the law.

01:50:58.220 If Governor DeSantis, and we have an exception here, right?

01:51:00.300 Because it's not every day that the person running for president

01:51:03.640 happens to also be the governor of the state.

01:51:05.740 He controls the Republican Party of Florida.

01:51:07.980 As we've seen, he runs the Florida legislature like a mafia.

01:51:11.300 He had his chief of staff...

01:51:13.080 Check this out, Tim.

01:51:14.180 His chief of staff for his official gubernatorial office,

01:51:16.760 James Uthmeyer, is now his campaign manager for his campaign,

01:51:20.300 but he hasn't officially resigned his position as chief of staff.

01:51:23.140 He's taking a leave of absence.

01:51:26.420 You are not supposed to be mixing official taxpayer business

01:51:29.240 with your official campaign.

01:51:31.280 And so do you really honestly think that it's going to be fair

01:51:33.980 in a presidential election year when Governor DeSantis

01:51:36.100 is an absentee governor but is still in control of the state of Florida?

01:51:38.960 And he gets to appoint the people who are issuing these licenses?

01:51:42.640 No, it's a way to control and women's dissent.

01:51:46.960 Just like you don't understand the presidential record, Jack.

01:51:49.220 Let me add this.

01:51:50.360 I do understand it.

01:51:51.240 You don't.

01:51:51.640 It's a violation of press freedom.

01:51:53.180 And President Trump has never done anything like this

01:51:54.980 because he can actually handle the media.

01:51:56.820 I don't agree with the intent as you're describing it.

01:51:58.980 No, I'm saying that it shows that they don't want dissent.

01:52:01.760 And that's why they attacked you.

01:52:02.200 I will point out this bill is bad.

01:52:04.520 It is.

01:52:04.940 It says that a blogger who is compensated or will be

01:52:12.180 must register with the state.

01:52:13.700 It's compensated.

01:52:14.540 And so the issue is if I write a blog and then later on someone says,

01:52:20.220 hey, we like the blog you do.

01:52:21.280 Can we hire you?

01:52:22.740 Even though the blog's already written,

01:52:23.980 I have to then register with the state.

01:52:25.040 But the whole idea is if you know that you're writing this

01:52:27.620 with the intent of getting paid.

01:52:29.380 OK, let's it's just it's just it's bad.

01:52:31.700 It's a badly done executed.

01:52:33.280 OK, let's talk about Iowa for a second.

01:52:36.100 I want to ask, why is Trump on a suicide mission in Iowa?

01:52:39.500 He has insulted Kim Reynolds three times now.

01:52:42.820 Bob Vander Plaats, who is literally the evangelical kingmaker.

01:52:45.980 No, he's not.

01:52:46.540 He ran for governor three times and lost three times.

01:52:48.800 He's the kingmaker in Iowa.

01:52:49.200 He took a bribe of $50,000 from the Never Back Down Pack.

01:52:52.140 The last three people that won Iowa were endorsed by Vander Plaats.

01:52:58.780 The president of the Senate has endorsed DeSantis.

01:53:02.560 The House majority leader has endorsed DeSantis.

01:53:06.360 Dietz, who is a big Iowa guy, has endorsed DeSantis.

01:53:11.340 So all the leaders and let's talk about endorsements for a second.

01:53:15.180 How many of Trump's former press secretaries have endorsed Trump?

01:53:18.960 How many of his former chiefs of staff have endorsed Trump?

01:53:21.900 How many of his former cabinet members have endorsed Trump?

01:53:24.400 If I was an executive recruiter for a long time,

01:53:26.600 I did reference checks on people.

01:53:27.980 If I had done a reference check on Trump based upon who he's worked with,

01:53:31.140 I would have to...

01:53:31.840 But let's go back to Iowa.

01:53:33.300 Don't hire this person.

01:53:34.200 Everybody that he worked with hates him.

01:53:35.480 Let's go back to Iowa.

01:53:37.000 I want to comment on Iowa.

01:53:38.020 Yeah, what's the Iowa point?

01:53:39.080 The thing is, President Trump, according to polls out today,

01:53:42.900 President Trump is up 26.1% in Iowa.

01:53:46.960 He wants to say that Ron DeSantis is supported by Bob Vander Plaats.

01:53:51.100 Yeah, of course he's supported by Bob Vander Plaats.

01:53:53.260 Because as I exclusively exposed in my investigative report,

01:53:57.740 Bob Vander Plaats received a $50,000 wire transfer from the Never Back Down Super PAC,

01:54:03.360 which is the official super PAC that is supporting Ron DeSantis.

01:54:07.460 And Reuters actually confirmed my reporting in a report they published on August 12th.

01:54:12.300 And President Trump commented on it yesterday.

01:54:14.340 And he didn't disclose that.

01:54:15.940 So remember when Bob Vander Plaats was like,

01:54:17.900 Oh, Donald Trump doesn't want to come to my forum where Tucker Carlson's going to host.

01:54:22.060 He never disclosed publicly that just days before hosting that forum,

01:54:25.980 Never Back Down paid him $50,000 so that he could support Ron DeSantis.

01:54:30.220 And now, right, he's walking around with Ron DeSantis, taking him to church.

01:54:34.280 And he says that Vander Plaats is a kingmaker.

01:54:36.700 Well, if Vander Plaats is a kingmaker, how come Ted Cruz isn't president?

01:54:39.840 Vander Plaats endorsed Ted Cruz in 2015.

01:54:41.720 But Ted Cruz won.

01:54:42.200 The reason why, the reason why I was, I mean, kingmaker's a little strong.

01:54:45.780 I'm going to say one last thing.

01:54:46.860 Vander Plaats ran for governor of Iowa three times.

01:54:50.840 And he was rejected all three times by the voters of Iowa.

01:54:54.740 Okay.

01:54:55.360 So Ron DeSantis was at the Iowa State Fair last weekend.

01:54:58.700 He was flipping burgers and putting toothpicks into eggs.

01:55:02.220 And there were people that didn't even know who the hell he was.

01:55:05.260 And Donald Trump cupped his ass by flying his plane over the Iowa State Fair.

01:55:10.660 And he is not a carnival.

01:55:11.940 He spent 45 minutes on the ground and left.

01:55:13.980 Donald Trump is not a carnival.

01:55:15.400 Donald Trump is not a carnival ride.

01:55:19.340 And he is not a food stand.

01:55:21.180 And yet he was the most popular attraction at the Iowa State Fair.

01:55:24.320 Yes, he was.

01:55:24.900 No, he wasn't.

01:55:24.960 All fake.

01:55:25.360 I'm from Iowa.

01:55:26.460 There were people in Iowa chanting, we want Trump as Ron DeSantis was awkwardly walking by.

01:55:31.520 I'm from Iowa.

01:55:32.300 I love you, Iowa.

01:55:33.060 This isn't about you personally, but the Iowa caucuses and for the GOP has not meant anything.

01:55:39.900 We had we had Huckabee in 08 and then we had Santorum after that in 12.

01:55:46.240 And then we had Ted Cruz in 16.

01:55:48.200 It's completely different now.

01:55:49.000 Let me go to your point, because originally my argument was that we have to support Donald

01:55:53.100 Trump because of what his enemies are doing to him, because the elections really don't.

01:55:58.680 Well, it's overstatement a little bit for the sake of argument to say they don't really

01:56:02.860 matter if we let their attacks on Donald Trump stand, because look at what happened with Fannie

01:56:08.960 Willis, the DA, the original documents.

01:56:11.460 And I know the judge hasn't signed off on it yet.

01:56:13.540 They want to have the trial start on March 4th, the day before Super Tuesday and Super

01:56:19.720 Tuesday.

01:56:20.080 If you go through, Donald Trump is going to, you know, so it wasn't before the other primaries

01:56:24.940 in February, you know, you know, it wasn't before Iowa.

01:56:28.060 It wasn't before New Hampshire.

01:56:29.680 It wasn't before South Carolina.

01:56:31.360 It's the most important day.

01:56:37.760 Maybe he shouldn't be talking in the news cycle the day before Super Tuesday.

01:56:41.300 Maybe he shouldn't be doing that.

01:56:41.640 But not just that.

01:56:42.400 Not just that.

01:56:42.780 That's what she wants.

01:56:43.440 They want the trial to start.

01:56:44.580 The problem is Trump has got no judgment.

01:56:46.180 He does stupid things constantly and gets himself in trouble.

01:56:48.580 It's not his fault, though.

01:56:49.740 They want the trial to start Monday, the day before Super Tuesday, for two reasons.

01:56:53.140 They're going to put it in the news cycle.

01:56:54.600 But more importantly, it hinders Trump from campaigning on the most important day.

01:56:59.520 Yeah.

01:56:59.900 That's nuts.

01:57:01.520 It hasn't been signed off on.

01:57:03.360 This is the problem with Trump.

01:57:05.100 This is the problem with Trump.

01:57:05.700 Trump knew after two impeachments that he's got a target on his back.

01:57:10.500 The Democrats would do anything in their power to take him down.

01:57:12.760 So what does he do?

01:57:13.520 He takes his documents home to Mar-a-Lago.

01:57:16.780 He subpoenaed these documents back.

01:57:18.840 He lies to the DOJ, has his lawyers lie to the DOJ, so much so that he lost client attorney

01:57:23.620 privilege and asked his attorneys to commit a crime.

01:57:26.900 Did all this stuff.

01:57:27.940 Unforced error after unforced error.

01:57:29.800 Nothing, none of this, none of this Mar-a-Lago had to happen if he had just given the document.

01:57:34.600 And what earthly use did he have for these documents?

01:57:37.580 It is the most serious indictment, but it's a process crime trap that they ran on him.

01:57:42.100 He said that all of these documents, they were all mixed up.

01:57:44.900 Compared to Hillary, compared to Biden.

01:57:45.600 He said that I didn't get them back because my personal documents were all mixed up with

01:57:49.620 the presidential documents.

01:57:50.600 First of all, you're required by the Presidential Records Act to not mix your personal documents

01:57:54.760 with the presidential documents.

01:57:56.100 That is in the presidential records.

01:57:57.440 What's the difference between the two?

01:57:59.140 What do you mean?

01:57:59.500 Like what's a presidential record versus a personal record?

01:58:01.380 A presidential record is a record that is created like a daily briefing.

01:58:06.080 Like it's created for Trump by other people.

01:58:08.160 But he didn't have them in a closet where Chinese actors could access them.

01:58:11.500 But what's a personal record?

01:58:13.300 A personal record would be like, you know, photographs of him shaking somebody's hand

01:58:16.900 and so on and so forth.

01:58:17.920 Golf clothes, mementos, and so on and so forth.

01:58:20.500 Those are completely different.

01:58:22.000 And the presidential records, but here's the thing.

01:58:24.760 Trump has not been indicted on the Presidential Records Act.

01:58:27.540 Because violating the Presidential Records Act is a civil action.

01:58:30.040 He has been indicted on the Espionage Act, which is taking these documents home, especially

01:58:36.560 these national defense documents, taking them home and not giving them back to the part

01:58:42.040 of the Espionage Act says that when the proper party asks for these documents back, if you've

01:58:47.120 got them, you've got to give them back.

01:58:48.480 He did not.

01:58:49.300 He obstructed justice.

01:58:50.320 These documents were under subpoena and he did not give them back.

01:58:53.040 And he lied about keeping them.

01:58:54.880 This is another unforced error.

01:58:56.240 It's not a reason for him to not be president.

01:58:57.540 Unforced error.

01:58:58.560 Unforced error after unforced error.

01:59:00.260 The man has no judgment.

01:59:01.700 He knows the...

01:59:02.480 Let me put it this way.

01:59:03.420 He knows the Democrats are out to get him.

01:59:05.000 He was impeached twice.

01:59:05.860 He knows it.

01:59:06.720 So what is he doing out of his hubris?

01:59:08.220 He says, out of control, narcissism, which he's got a problem with.

01:59:10.920 What is he doing?

01:59:12.040 He's taking documents he has no earthly need for.

01:59:15.020 He's thumbing his nose at the DOJ.

01:59:16.820 Thumbing his nose at the Democrats.

01:59:17.900 Which DOJ?

01:59:19.020 Begging them to assault his home and take these documents back.

01:59:25.480 He's begging them to do that.

01:59:26.840 It's absolute foolish.

01:59:27.940 January 6th, he knew there was a potential problem because he wanted a National Guard

01:59:31.800 that couldn't get him there.

01:59:33.380 Once again, he knew there was no endgame.

01:59:34.780 He knew there was no way, talking to Pence five days earlier, he knew there was no way

01:59:38.940 that Pence was going to send that back to the states.

01:59:41.340 And yet, he sent his people to the Capitol anyway.

01:59:43.620 Now, where are all of his people involved in the violence there?

01:59:45.860 I don't know.

01:59:46.300 I think it was mostly AstroTurf there by the Antifa and the BLMs and the FBI agents and

01:59:50.900 stuff like that.

01:59:51.580 But he put his people at risk.

01:59:54.200 And this is what Donald Trump does.

01:59:55.800 Out of his hubris, out of his narcissism, out of his need to be number one, he constantly

02:00:00.660 puts his own people and supporters at risk.

02:00:04.100 We don't need that in the White House.

02:00:06.080 And so let me, let me, let me, let me, I want to, I want to address this.

02:00:08.760 The reason why none of that has any meaning to be, to be completely honest, like I do

02:00:14.300 agree, Trump has made a ton of mistakes and it is frustrating sometimes.

02:00:18.220 And they're unforced.

02:00:19.140 The, you know, when, when they indict Trump on all that stuff, I don't get mad at Trump.

02:00:23.880 I get mad at them.

02:00:24.860 In fact, it makes me 100 times more angry with, with DC, with the political elites, because

02:00:30.440 Hillary Clinton destroyed a public server.

02:00:33.140 She had her people smash phones with hammers.

02:00:34.940 And Trump put her off the hook.

02:00:35.880 And the, absolutely.

02:00:36.720 And these things were, were under subpoena as well.

02:00:39.540 So now I'm looking at this machine that is lying every day about everything.

02:00:44.540 And these indictments do nothing to make me view Trump negatively.

02:00:48.220 It makes me view them more negatively.

02:00:50.220 In which I want Trump to go in and just rampage through the ivory tower.

02:00:54.300 I want to make a point about the documents.

02:00:57.140 If the other field has laid out a minefield and you take your family on for a picnic.

02:01:01.880 I'm mad at the people who laid the minefield.

02:01:03.480 Yeah, there you go.

02:01:04.440 I'm mad at the people who laid the mines.

02:01:05.920 You can be mad at the, but you know, if you don't understand the Democrats are evil and

02:01:09.480 out to get you, and Trump understands how evil they really are.

02:01:13.880 He walks into their trap all the time.

02:01:14.900 I want to make a point.

02:01:15.740 I want to make a point about this.

02:01:17.120 So you're saying that he walked into the trap.

02:01:19.260 Well, it was a trap.

02:01:20.060 But look, every single president since Jimmy Carter has had the assistance, right, from

02:01:25.320 the National Archivers with packing and leaving the White House, with the exception of President

02:01:29.440 Donald Trump.

02:01:30.340 And so this was a setup, okay?

02:01:31.940 Usually the National Archivers are supposed to have a process where they go in, okay, to

02:01:36.960 the White House with the president and the transition team, and they help them pack up documents

02:01:41.480 so that things like this don't happen.

02:01:43.420 And they didn't do it with President Trump, if you recall.

02:01:45.940 It was completely politicized.

02:01:47.100 They have a history of setting him up.

02:01:49.080 They set him up by not giving him debriefings on the Russian targeting.

02:01:54.180 They did not get, they allowed the security debacle on January 6th that Trump tried to

02:01:59.780 warn them about.

02:02:00.360 The Pentagon ignored him.

02:02:01.660 The mayor's office fought.

02:02:03.380 He walked right into it.

02:02:04.780 He didn't walk into it.

02:02:06.280 He told them to have 10,000 national guard troops.

02:02:09.080 He didn't order them.

02:02:10.340 On January 6th, on January 6th, there were a thousand things that could go wrong.

02:02:14.940 I was warning my friends.

02:02:16.260 I was warning my friends, don't go to this thing.

02:02:18.900 I felt like Adderbal Ackbar.

02:02:20.460 It's a trap.

02:02:21.080 It's a trap.

02:02:21.720 Don't go to this thing.

02:02:22.780 And so he led us once again into a trap and bad things happened.

02:02:27.340 The man has got no sense.

02:02:29.240 He's got no judgment.

02:02:30.280 We need a president who's got judgment.

02:02:32.340 President Trump has got no judgment at all.

02:02:34.160 We've said it 20 times.

02:02:35.440 We've talked about January 6th a lot.

02:02:36.740 And I'll say it again.

02:02:36.760 President Trump has got no judgment at all.

02:02:39.580 So we talked about January 6th a lot, but I want to say one of the biggest issues I find

02:02:43.400 that is making some people, you know, undecided in this is the issue with COVID-19.

02:02:49.080 And so I want us to talk about DeSantis and Trump with regards to COVID-19 and the vaccines,

02:02:55.580 because I do know that, you know, there's a lot of fake news about Ron DeSantis's record.

02:03:02.040 And as somebody who lived in Florida, right, I find it egregious that the media wants to

02:03:06.460 create revisionist history and say things like Florida was free.

02:03:09.680 Florida didn't have lockdowns, that Florida didn't shut down people's businesses, that

02:03:14.480 Florida didn't require masking, that Governor DeSantis was somehow like never in favor of

02:03:20.140 the vaccines when all of that is just not true.

02:03:23.380 No, there are people that say that.

02:03:24.820 Not that I know.

02:03:26.420 He was in favor of that stuff for about a month.

02:03:28.060 And so you had mentioned briefly, and I had wanted to, you know, touch on this before he

02:03:31.960 interrupted when you were talking about the grand jury.

02:03:34.180 And that's something you don't hear about anymore.

02:03:35.580 Like Ron DeSantis said that he was going to have this grand jury to hold the vaccine manufacturers

02:03:39.920 accountable and to crack down on what he called vaccine misinformation that resulted

02:03:45.900 in people getting injured.

02:03:47.600 But then when people started doing more research and more opposition research came out that

02:03:51.860 showed that actually Ron DeSantis had these executive orders, he's on video signing for

02:03:55.840 the vaccine, pushing out his own misinformation, saying that they're 99% effective and that you

02:04:00.260 cannot get COVID if you're vaccinated.

02:04:02.820 He all of a sudden just doesn't want to.

02:04:04.660 He would be convicted under his own grand jury.

02:04:08.100 And so now you don't hear about this anymore.

02:04:09.940 And I was just wondering, you know, I sent you a video that I had posted on my Twitter

02:04:13.800 and I was wondering if we could play that because I really want people watching to see

02:04:17.160 this because I'm tired of the lies about President Trump and the vaccine.

02:04:21.240 OK, he never mandated it.

02:04:22.720 He never forced it on anybody.

02:04:24.040 I'm not vaccinated.

02:04:25.060 I refuse to take it.

02:04:26.340 But I think that it's really disingenuous for people to say, well, I'm not going to vote

02:04:30.140 for Donald Trump over the vaccine.

02:04:31.200 I'm going to vote for Ron DeSantis when Ron DeSantis pushed it just as much as anyone

02:04:35.060 else.

02:04:35.360 So if we could please play this video.

02:04:36.860 Yeah.

02:04:37.200 On DeSantis, he wants a grand jury to investigate COVID-19 vaccines to determine if any lies or

02:04:44.140 propaganda was pushed during the immunization campaigns.

02:04:47.140 State your name for the court.

02:04:48.140 I am Ron DeSantis.

02:04:50.900 Ron DeSantis, the big question is, does the vaccine work?

02:04:54.680 So my view is, is if you get a vaccine, the vaccines are effective, you're immune.

02:05:00.360 If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying

02:05:06.860 from COVID is effectively zero.

02:05:09.900 Is the COVID-19 vaccine safe?

02:05:12.060 The vaccines protect you, get vaccinated.

02:05:15.120 Vaccine data is fantastic.

02:05:16.880 It's a single dose.

02:05:18.140 You take it one time.

02:05:19.320 You don't have to worry about it.

02:05:20.540 Do you support the vaccine?

02:05:21.740 We're encouraged and we want to make available the vaccine.

02:05:24.620 We are number one in the country for doses per capita.

02:05:28.420 I had also the privilege of being able to actually sign for the vaccines from FedEx.

02:05:32.820 We're not going to stop until every senior that wants a shot gets a shot.

02:05:36.480 We're going to give them more because we want the shots to go in the arms.

02:05:40.420 I got to say something.

02:05:44.420 I have to say something.

02:05:45.900 This, this argument over Ron DeSantis' position is, is nothing to do with efficacy or arguments

02:05:52.380 about anything medical.

02:05:53.560 If you have any medical issues, talk to your doctor.

02:05:55.520 This is a political question of people who are critical of Trump over vaccines or Ron

02:05:59.900 DeSantis are critical of vaccines.

02:06:01.320 Again, nothing prescriptive related to medical issues.

02:06:04.120 That's for your doctor.

02:06:05.540 But the political debate over who supported or didn't support, I think is the question.

02:06:08.520 The media doesn't ever want to show that.

02:06:10.320 And so I think it's important.

02:06:11.520 I have seen that before.

02:06:12.420 I'm completely, I'm completely in agreement that what he said there was wrong.

02:06:16.100 As a matter of fact, when he came out and he said not wrong, but that was the information

02:06:18.780 that he had at the time.

02:06:19.660 He's trying to protect his people.

02:06:20.800 This is what he was told by the Trump team is trying to protect his people.

02:06:24.160 You know, leaders have got to make decisions with only about 30% of the information.

02:06:27.680 He was erring on the side of caution.

02:06:29.280 But then after, as he looked into it, he realized that this was, that this was improper.

02:06:34.460 That argument that in the context of being a governor with the highest elderly population

02:06:38.620 in the United States, that I think he was justified in pushing the vaccine for that population

02:06:44.200 in particular, the statistics came out where the elderly, the at risk, people who are obese

02:06:50.060 could benefit and reduce their chances of serious illness or death from the vaccines.

02:06:55.520 The issue was the mandates, which he, you know, he was one of the first governors to, you

02:07:01.200 know, later, much later, like, you know, after Trump had already left office to say that

02:07:06.120 there would not, you know, to successfully get through that, there would be no killing

02:07:09.040 vaccine.

02:07:09.480 My point is simply just showing that he was pro-vaccine because I've seen people like

02:07:12.880 Christina Poucha, who's tweets herself.

02:07:25.360 You know, our archive that showed that she was talking about how pro-vaccine DeSantis

02:07:29.840 was.

02:07:30.180 I've now seen her do a 180 and say things that suggest that Ron DeSantis was never pushing

02:07:34.820 the vaccine.

02:07:35.720 And a lot of people tend to believe this because you have Fox News, which is owned by Rupert

02:07:40.300 Murdoch, pushing this lie.

02:07:42.100 But then nobody wants to talk about the fact that Rupert Murdoch had a private meeting with

02:07:45.560 Ron DeSantis at his ranch in California, where he told him that don't worry, all of my media

02:07:52.240 empire, my entire empire, Fox News, he owns the New York Post, Fox News, the Wall Street

02:07:57.160 Journal and HarperCollins Publishing, which, by the way, you want to talk about this debate

02:08:01.100 coming up.

02:08:02.060 OK, Rupert Murdoch gave Ron DeSantis a two million.

02:08:06.080 Well, it's rumored to be more than that, but at least that we know of two million dollar

02:08:09.580 book deal with his publishing company, which, of course, was used as the shadow campaign

02:08:14.440 leading up to the election before he could get the law changed.

02:08:17.680 And so they want to attack Trump and say, oh, come on, Trump, you need to debate Ron

02:08:21.420 DeSantis.

02:08:21.960 You're a coward, right?

02:08:22.760 Like, never back down.

02:08:23.920 They took my video footage, which they didn't have permission to do from my meeting with

02:08:27.480 President Trump this last weekend, and they used it to create an attack ad against President

02:08:31.680 Trump.

02:08:32.240 And they're mocking him, saying that he should debate.

02:08:34.400 Why should Donald Trump show up to a debate hosted by Fox News, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch,

02:08:39.820 when Rupert Murdoch gave Ron DeSantis a two million dollar book deal months ago, invited

02:08:46.300 him to his ranch in California and said, don't worry, we're behind you 100 percent.

02:08:50.560 And then Discovery text messages from the Dominion Fox News lawsuit shows that Rupert Murdoch

02:08:56.120 instructed all of Fox News to make Donald Trump a non-person.

02:08:59.720 That is not that's what you call a conflict of interest.

02:09:02.340 And so a lot of people don't know this.

02:09:04.160 And I'm tired of seeing them attack Donald Trump as a coward.

02:09:06.720 Donald Trump is not a coward.

02:09:08.020 He could destroy anybody on that stage.

02:09:09.920 But they're not being honest about the financial and the personal conflict of interest that

02:09:17.100 is presented by Fox News hosting this debate.

02:09:19.520 Let's talk about the debate, though.

02:09:20.940 Let me just let me say one more thing about the vaccine.

02:09:23.880 The problem this and this demonstrates exactly why Donald Trump should not be president.

02:09:30.220 Donald Trump becomes so ego involved with his decisions that he can't pivot away when he

02:09:34.500 realizes that there's new information that there says this was incorrect.

02:09:38.080 Governor DeSantis led with boldness on the vaccine to try to protect his elderly population

02:09:43.460 because that's the information that he had at the time.

02:09:45.560 But then in a short amount of time, he realized that new data came in.

02:09:48.420 He's like, wait a minute, this is wrong.

02:09:49.860 And the reason why Governor DeSantis is even in the conversation now was because he had the

02:09:53.660 most open state and the most free state in America.

02:09:57.700 Now, President Trump, they say that President Trump was just listening to the experts.

02:10:01.240 No, many experts were coming to President Trump and they said, listen, during the middle

02:10:05.060 of a pandemic, you do not want to introduce a vaccine.

02:10:08.160 Why is that?

02:10:08.780 Because you will create variants.

02:10:11.760 People don't realize that the COVID virus, the COVID epidemic went up like this.

02:10:17.820 Bell curve was dying, was actually dying out when the vaccine came out and then researched

02:10:22.140 why.

02:10:22.680 Because I don't see a connection there.

02:10:24.200 Pfizer actually dragged their feet to make sure that he didn't get credit during the before

02:10:30.500 the election, before they released the vaccine.

02:10:34.180 But you can see the-

02:10:35.600 But hold on, the very thing to say here, because I really look at this and I changed

02:10:39.960 my mind.

02:10:40.800 I did deep research on this and I actually changed my mind because my view of it was

02:10:45.140 that DeSantis was out in front.

02:10:47.360 He was out there leading things from the very beginning.

02:10:49.380 But actually, if you go back to April, they started the lockdowns on April 1st.

02:10:53.760 And then April 30th, he said, we're going to start easing the lockdowns.

02:10:57.040 And it wasn't until September that they said, effectively, your business is open.

02:11:01.280 We're not going to stop you.

02:11:02.700 So there were no lockdowns.

02:11:04.200 Except there were lockdowns.

02:11:05.600 So the point is that-

02:11:06.700 In Miami, but that was in Miami.

02:11:07.460 He was an executive of a state.

02:11:08.100 In Palm Beach County, too.

02:11:09.280 I have the executive order.

02:11:10.300 He had a very different policy toolbox than Trump.

02:11:12.120 And people sort of forget how much the media attacked Trump for not being more aggressive

02:11:18.220 and taking control of the country.

02:11:20.960 And they could accuse him of being like a fascist or a dictator of anything.

02:11:25.000 He was way too hands-off and letting-

02:11:26.760 Let me reach you.

02:11:27.420 Let me reach you.

02:11:28.300 We got two minutes.

02:11:30.540 Adding to what Kyle said, too.

02:11:32.100 A lot of people tend to forget this.

02:11:33.780 Donald Trump didn't control the COVID task force response at the White House.

02:11:36.660 That was Mike Pence, who's running for president now.

02:11:38.860 So if you're unhappy with the way that the COVID response was when President Trump was in

02:11:45.340 the White House, go blame Mike Pence because Mike Pence wasn't-

02:11:48.300 We have two minutes.

02:11:50.380 But I want to talk about the debate.

02:11:51.740 Okay.

02:11:51.920 But it would have been difficult to get rid of Fauci.

02:11:53.620 Anyway, the big thing coming up is whether or not Trump will debate.

02:11:56.940 It's seeming like he won't.

02:11:58.280 He already confirmed last night on Truth Social he's not doing it.

02:12:00.880 He's not going to do it.

02:12:01.340 Which is awesome for us.

02:12:02.720 Why is it awesome?

02:12:04.240 Because Trump is giving DeSantis the center podium.

02:12:08.740 Also, everybody's going to be attacking DeSantis.

02:12:11.320 That means what?

02:12:12.000 Ding, ding, ding.

02:12:12.720 DeSantis gets more time to talk.

02:12:14.340 DeSantis does very well when he's under assault because he's very smart.

02:12:18.340 And as Megyn Kelly says, this guy is 10 deep on the issues.

02:12:22.300 He understands the issues.

02:12:23.800 Deep, deep, deep.

02:12:24.840 And all these people coming after him.

02:12:26.220 This is going to be a great debate for DeSantis.

02:12:29.080 DeSantis needs-

02:12:29.520 He's not a good debater.

02:12:30.380 DeSantis is going to win Iowa.

02:12:32.600 He needs to win Iowa.

02:12:33.160 And why Iowa matters this time is because it will take off the whole idea that Trump is

02:12:39.000 unbeatable.

02:12:39.440 And all those 30-point leads and stuff were obviously fake.

02:12:42.320 That's why it matters this time.

02:12:43.640 Let's do, I guess, because we're about to wrap.

02:12:46.320 I gave my explanation.

02:12:47.740 Okay, as to why Donald Trump shouldn't attend this debate.

02:12:50.480 If you were selected for jury duty, okay, and you ended up, one of the questions was

02:12:56.100 like, do you have any conflicts, right?

02:12:57.280 Or say one of the jurors was married or related to the judge.

02:13:00.980 You wouldn't be able to serve on that jury.

02:13:03.180 So why should Donald Trump show up to a debate hosted by Fox News when the owner and the CEO

02:13:07.900 of Fox News, in legal proceedings relating to the 2020 election, okay, their lawsuit that

02:13:14.840 cost them, what, nearly $800 million that they had to send Dominion, said, let's make Trump

02:13:20.220 a non-person.

02:13:21.300 That's Fox News.

02:13:22.080 They're going to make Donald Trump a non-person during this debate.

02:13:24.580 And he already said that Fox News is 100% behind DeSantis.

02:13:28.180 So that's a conflict of interest.

02:13:29.840 Maybe if there was another moderator from another media entity that didn't have financial ties

02:13:36.760 in the millions of dollars for Ron DeSantis, which Rupert Murdoch has done through his publishing

02:13:40.940 company, HarperCollins, as I've reported on extensively, then we could have a conversation

02:13:45.020 about this.

02:13:45.500 But these people are acting in bad faith by saying that, oh, Donald Trump's a coward.

02:13:48.980 He's not a coward.

02:13:50.080 And Ron DeSantis is not a good debater.

02:13:51.880 Look, Charlie Criss, okay, his policies are left-leaning, but he absolutely destroyed

02:13:57.040 Ron DeSantis during the gubernatorial debate by asking him, are you going to commit to serving

02:14:02.940 all four years?

02:14:03.900 And DeSantis, he's on the spectrum, as I said.

02:14:06.920 Politico's reported about how he's likely autistic.

02:14:10.060 He tensed up.

02:14:11.000 He has all these weird tics, and he's not going to do well on a debate stage.

02:14:13.680 I think DeSantis is a good debater, on contrary, because I think he appeals to people who are not

02:14:18.760 in the Trump camp.

02:14:19.560 I think they want to see somebody who's statesman-like, who is very quick on it, nimble on his feet

02:14:24.740 in terms of policy and defending policies, getting into things.

02:14:28.820 He's more reassuring for voters who are not likely to be responsive to Trump's activation

02:14:35.160 sort of media theatrics.

02:14:38.060 So I think this is what really turns Trump supporters off of DeSantis.

02:14:42.160 It's just that he has a different target demo than Trump supporters.

02:14:46.080 So I don't necessarily agree with some of this where he tries to copy Trump, and I don't

02:14:51.420 see any of that.

02:14:52.560 But I think that this is good for him, essentially, that he gets to go after Ramaswamy, who's

02:14:58.040 like his biggest threat.

02:15:00.000 You know, so I think that the memo that we saw, you know, I think is generally right.

02:15:04.380 But we're going to have to keep an eye on whether he actually defends Trump or not against

02:15:08.500 Christie.

02:15:08.840 I'm a little bit skeptical.

02:15:11.460 Well, now we know that it's disingenuous.

02:15:12.520 A little skeptical.

02:15:13.260 We'll see.

02:15:13.600 We now know that it's fake.

02:15:14.760 We now know from the memo that it's not real, genuine, you know, a defense of President Trump

02:15:19.880 it's, oh, pretend so that you can-

02:15:21.640 But that's what his consultants said.

02:15:23.460 So we're going to start to wind it down, I suppose, and give you guys, I'll give each

02:15:27.600 of you a chance to say one more thing and maybe shout something out like you want to

02:15:30.100 shout out.

02:15:30.400 We're having so much fun, though.

02:15:31.320 I know.

02:15:31.540 I know.

02:15:31.840 That's what I said.

02:15:32.300 I was like, we're going to get to noon and be like-

02:15:33.720 I want to go for another two hours.

02:15:35.360 I know.

02:15:36.020 It's great.

02:15:37.240 So final thoughts and then shout out your socials.

02:15:39.540 Final thoughts.

02:15:40.020 I think that not showing up for the debate makes Trump look weak and afraid, okay?

02:15:44.980 And I think to the average voter who's not that engaged in this, watching this the first

02:15:47.820 time, they're going to be like, where's Trump?

02:15:49.600 This is a problem for him.

02:15:50.320 I didn't think DeSantis is going to shine.

02:15:52.200 As far as, and something we didn't talk about this whole time, which is unfortunate, is I

02:15:55.340 don't believe that Donald Trump can win the general election if he's, I mean, I think

02:15:58.620 a vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Joe Biden in the general election because

02:16:04.180 Trump cannot win, especially if he's convicted on one of these 85 million different counts.

02:16:09.620 I mean, he's not going to win the general election.

02:16:11.820 So that is my, half of my entire situation is we're looking at an impossible candidate

02:16:17.000 that cannot win.

02:16:18.680 And that's why I oppose him.

02:16:19.880 And that's why I'm in favor of Governor DeSantis because I think Governor DeSantis can win and

02:16:23.340 will win this election.

02:16:24.220 And he's going to win the primary too.

02:16:25.700 He's going to take Iowa.

02:16:26.620 Then he's going to take New Hampshire.

02:16:27.900 Then he's going to take South Carolina.

02:16:29.320 Trust my words.

02:16:30.380 South Carolina will be Trump's firewall.

02:16:31.880 If DeSantis can break through there, all the other candidates will be off the map.

02:16:35.320 This is a whole different game.

02:16:36.340 And this is why Iowa matters this time more than other times, because it will break that

02:16:40.120 veil of invincibility that these pollsters have created with these fake polls for Trump.

02:16:44.460 We will all of a sudden know that those 30 point leads in the polls were absolutely fake.

02:16:48.400 If DeSantis loses Iowa, I agree.

02:16:50.520 DeSantis is in trouble.

02:16:51.840 He needs to win Iowa.

02:16:53.240 That's why he's all in on Iowa.

02:16:55.020 I will agree with that.

02:16:55.640 He needs to win Iowa.

02:16:56.560 Right on.

02:16:57.200 Do you want to shout out your social media?

02:16:58.540 Oh yeah.

02:16:58.880 Sorry.

02:16:59.060 I'm Mitchell VII at Twitter, and I appreciate you coming by.

02:17:05.440 My website is yourvoicenews.com.

02:17:08.580 And I put out daily podcasts, and we usually do like 70 to 400.

02:17:13.300 We just did a 425,000 views one the other day.

02:17:16.200 So those get good viewership when you appreciate you on that.

02:17:19.840 I'm 100% DeSantis.

02:17:21.080 Was a Trump guy.

02:17:22.420 Know where they're coming from.

02:17:23.660 Now I'm 100% DeSantis.

02:17:24.800 Right on.

02:17:25.220 Yeah, so I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to make the case for President

02:17:30.260 Trump.

02:17:31.360 And look, I think that's what we need to understand is that we are right now in an unprecedented

02:17:36.100 time in our nation's history.

02:17:38.380 Okay.

02:17:38.700 Law and order is under attack, and our freedoms and our liberties are under attack, not just

02:17:43.540 by the Democrats and a weaponized DOJ, but also by the Republican Party that is just

02:17:48.500 as guilty by standing by and being silent because they're complicit.

02:17:51.980 This is a uniparty, and as we have seen by Donald Trump's first term in office, he is

02:17:58.880 the voice for the forgotten man, the forgotten American that has been screwed over by both

02:18:04.060 political parties.

02:18:04.960 And I think that at the end of the day, when you talk to most people, we actually have more

02:18:08.880 in common than we think and that we know because this two-party system that they have

02:18:15.060 brainwashed everybody into thinking exists is used to divide us when in reality it is just

02:18:19.660 a uniparty that wants to have selections as opposed to elections.

02:18:23.500 And it wasn't until Donald Trump that the American people and the forgotten man actually

02:18:28.420 had a voice.

02:18:29.400 And people can try to discredit and erase President Trump's legacy.

02:18:33.680 That was the whole purpose of deplatforming after January 6th.

02:18:38.060 But I brought a copy of a thousand of President Trump's accomplishments.

02:18:42.200 Okay.

02:18:42.520 You can easily find President Trump's accomplishments.

02:18:45.100 And you need to read through this because he's tried and true.

02:18:49.420 Running a state is not the same as running a country.

02:18:52.280 We know that President Trump had success.

02:18:55.360 Okay.

02:18:55.560 You admitted it yourself when you had your show.

02:18:57.700 You called him many times the greatest president this country's ever had.

02:19:01.220 And your show every single time.

02:19:02.220 I have never in my life said that Trump is the greatest president this country has ever had.

02:19:06.000 I have it on my phone.

02:19:06.800 You saying that he was sent by God to save this country.

02:19:09.520 Okay.

02:19:09.760 That's not the same as saying that.

02:19:11.140 You're saying he's better than Abraham Lincoln, better than George Washington.

02:19:13.700 Are you kidding me?

02:19:14.240 The fact of the matter is.

02:19:15.580 Let's not.

02:19:16.040 I mean, let's clear the record.

02:19:17.240 I never said that.

02:19:17.740 Final thoughts.

02:19:18.480 He has a proven record.

02:19:20.120 I never said that.

02:19:20.560 Okay.

02:19:21.020 And as President Trump often says, okay, the only thing standing in between you and them

02:19:26.680 and you as in the American people and them being the weaponized government is me, President

02:19:32.260 Donald Trump.

02:19:32.900 And so if they take him, then they're coming for us next.

02:19:36.660 And everybody needs to put their personal feelings about personality aside and say, do you really

02:19:41.520 want to live in a country where they could potentially send a president to jail for 700 years, let

02:19:47.380 him die in prison, okay, over his contesting of an election?

02:19:52.120 Don't you want to be able to express your opinion on issues like election integrity and big tech

02:19:57.480 social media censorship without having a fear that you're going to be locked away as a political

02:20:02.120 prisoner of an illegitimate communist regime for the rest of your life?

02:20:05.500 And I'm asking people, you don't have to be friends with Donald Trump.

02:20:09.680 We're not asking you to go have a beer with this guy.

02:20:12.720 Not that he would because he's sober, but we're not asking you guys to go have dinner

02:20:15.940 with the guy or go watch a game of golf with him.

02:20:18.480 Although I had a lot of fun doing that, okay?

02:20:20.460 We're asking you to elect the most competent and qualified person who can get our country

02:20:25.420 out of this mess because we are losing our country and we will fall to communism.

02:20:30.520 We will fall to stolen elections if we don't get President Trump back in the White House.

02:20:36.260 And so I am honored to support President Trump.

02:20:39.480 I'm a Trump loyalist.

02:20:40.420 I've always been a Trump loyalist.

02:20:42.140 Nothing is ever going to stop that or change that, okay?

02:20:46.620 I don't care what people say.

02:20:48.000 There's nothing that would stop me from voting for President Trump, even if he was in a jail

02:20:52.640 cell.

02:20:53.180 And I invite all people watching to join me in fighting for President Donald Trump just

02:20:58.780 as hard as he fought for all of us over these last seven years when he didn't need to do

02:21:02.740 this.

02:21:03.040 He gave up a life of luxury so that he could give us a voice and we need to fight for

02:21:07.060 President Trump like he fought for all of us.

02:21:09.480 So like I said, you know, Donald Trump did nothing wrong.

02:21:12.500 I wear the shirt everywhere I go.

02:21:14.380 Obstruction of justice is nothing wrong.

02:21:16.460 Oh, and final thoughts because Lauren needs to shout out her.

02:21:19.500 My final thoughts is please follow me, okay?

02:21:22.680 I'm banned on most social media sites.

02:21:24.720 Uh, so you're not going to find me on Facebook or Instagram or any of that stuff, but I am

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02:21:30.320 Please follow me.

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02:21:52.860 So that's where people can follow.

02:21:53.640 Kyle, final thoughts and shout out.

02:21:55.060 All right.

02:21:55.440 So in normal times, I would support Ron DeSantis for president, but these are not normal times

02:21:59.860 as I've laid out.

02:22:00.840 I think that Ron DeSantis and Trump are very much on the same page in terms of their policies,

02:22:04.460 but I would give DeSantis the edge in terms of bureaucratic management and being able to

02:22:09.800 fight the culture war.

02:22:11.060 I think there's a lot of things he's been out in front fighting ESG, fighting central bank

02:22:15.040 digital currencies, you know, the parents' rights bill, I think supporting girls' sports.

02:22:21.000 I think that he's really attuned at that, but he can do it in a way where he's like a nuclear

02:22:27.660 submarine.

02:22:28.260 He could run silent, he could run deep, and he could attack the enemy before they even

02:22:31.740 know it.

02:22:32.600 Trump is like a battleship.

02:22:34.060 He goes in, he's loud, guns blazing, but the enemy can see him from a thousand miles

02:22:37.800 away.

02:22:38.240 So I think that, you know, in terms of the art of war that Donald Trump likes so much,

02:22:43.140 DeSantis is much more astute at being able to remain formless and be able to take his

02:22:48.400 enemy by surprise.

02:22:49.700 But again, this is war that we're in.

02:22:52.420 This is a culture war, and it's bigger than that now.

02:22:56.220 Circumstances have changed.

02:22:57.260 The political prosecutions, you know, they are launched when Donald Trump decided to run

02:23:01.900 for re-election in 2024.

02:23:03.600 So they are rigging the election now, just like they rigged it in 2020, and they tried

02:23:08.320 to rig the election in 2016.

02:23:10.160 And I'm using that term in terms of just unfairly abusing the system in order to get a political

02:23:15.720 outcome.

02:23:16.400 So it should be very clear what I'm meaning by that.

02:23:19.160 So I think that he's exposing both the GOP establishment as being feckless, as not really

02:23:25.620 taking action to fight the Democrats.

02:23:28.140 So they're acting too much like controlled opposition.

02:23:30.480 And if they change their behavior, I would be happy to see that because Kevin McCarthy,

02:23:35.460 you know, we're tired of the statements.

02:23:37.180 We're tired of you foot dragging.

02:23:39.320 So they're very passive, but, you know, blustery approach to protesting the deep state doesn't

02:23:47.440 really matter to me.

02:23:48.700 I care about policies and outcomes.

02:23:51.160 And I think that right now they're hanging Donald Trump out to dry.

02:23:55.140 And, you know, it may be right what you say, Bill, in terms of him, you know, inviting,

02:24:00.300 you know, inviting conflict.

02:24:03.200 But I think he's exposing the people who are conflicting against him for being just malicious

02:24:09.140 actors, deeply corrupt.

02:24:10.620 And, you know, I think when we get down to the race where it's Biden versus Trump, they

02:24:15.700 have very similar polling numbers.

02:24:17.760 You know, let's hope that Donald Trump can pivot and become the statesman that independent

02:24:21.880 people like.

02:24:22.900 But like I said, I don't think DeSantis has as much advantage in swing states now to the

02:24:27.260 electoral map issue that we're talking about as before.

02:24:31.320 So let me just get to, you know, where you can find me.

02:24:34.360 I'm at Kyle and Abecker on Twitter.

02:24:36.240 Please check out my Relentless podcast that's coming up at the end of this month.

02:24:40.480 You know, I'm putting a lot of work into preparing that to do a really great show, make it very

02:24:44.680 professionally produced.

02:24:45.960 You know, I used to work at Fox News and I was an associate producer and writer there.

02:24:50.040 So, you know, I have some experience and, you know, I hope to bring a rational voice and

02:24:55.000 independent voice into the media.

02:24:56.480 And I appreciate him having me here to discuss with these very passionate and informed, you

02:25:01.560 know, advocates for their sides.

02:25:02.880 I appreciate that as well.

02:25:04.040 Thank you all for coming.

02:25:04.780 This was very, very fun and entertaining.

02:25:07.260 We'll see how things play out.

02:25:08.340 We got a lot of things.

02:25:08.640 I was hoping it'd be more dynamic.

02:25:10.440 A little too chill for my taste.

02:25:12.160 Yeah, it is what it is.

02:25:13.300 But we got a lot of stuff coming up in the news.

02:25:15.540 We'll see how it goes.

02:25:16.540 I forgot to say, too, that I know a lot of people are talking about my shirt I saw online

02:25:20.860 right now asking where they can get it.

02:25:22.980 You can get it on my website, Lumered, L-O-O-M-E-R-E-D, right?

02:25:28.580 Lumered, like gettinglumered.com.

02:25:31.020 And that's also the name of my book.

02:25:33.280 I forgot to plug my book, Lumered, How I Became the Most Banned Woman in the World.

02:25:37.180 I want to thank Tim because I didn't get to say this earlier.

02:25:41.200 You know, a lot of people have demonized me and lied about me and denied me a platform

02:25:44.400 over the last few years.

02:25:46.980 But you're one of the only people that actually stood up for free speech.

02:25:51.140 And I recognize that even though this is my first time on your show, I really want to thank

02:25:54.960 you for defending me and calling out the election interference of my campaigns because you have

02:25:59.300 a lot of integrity.

02:26:00.000 And even if you don't agree with somebody on everything, you still fight for free speech.

02:26:03.940 And not many people are willing to actually allow such, you know, polarizing figures online

02:26:08.680 who are at each other's throats to have a platform.

02:26:10.960 And in an age of cancellation and censorship, I want to thank you so much for always fighting

02:26:16.620 for free speech.

02:26:17.480 And it means a lot to me as somebody who, you know, has been silenced.

02:26:21.020 Right on.

02:26:21.340 Well, thanks.

02:26:21.760 One last thing.

02:26:23.180 People need to be clear.

02:26:24.720 There is nothing in the Constitution that says that being a presidential candidate provides

02:26:29.460 you immunity from prosecution.

02:26:31.860 And this whole idea that, well, if you're prosecuting Trump, it must be election interference.

02:26:35.140 There is nothing in the Constitution that says you cannot indict a presidential candidate.

02:26:40.080 So let's go.

02:26:41.260 But lest we go all the way back into it, we'll wrap it up there.

02:26:44.200 We're not going to.

02:26:44.800 But thank you for coming.

02:26:45.760 Thank you guys for hanging out.

02:26:46.680 Thank you all for watching.

02:26:47.740 This has been a blast.

02:26:48.400 We're going to do a lot more of these and we'll see you all next time.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 18, 2023

The Culture War #26 - Trump VS DeSantis 2024, Laura Loomer Debates Bill Mitchell

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