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00:00:58.140 Welcome to the Culture War, everybody. This one's going to be fun. We're hanging out with Cenk Uygur.

00:01:07.020 Hey, Tim. How are you doing, brother?

00:01:08.340 I'm good. How are you doing?

00:01:09.880 I'm kind of awesome.

00:01:11.200 Yeah. How's life? How's it going?

00:01:15.100 No big deal. Nothing interesting happening. Just running for president, running a company,

00:01:19.460 hosting a show. Not busy at all. So I thought I'd just drop by.

00:01:23.980 I really appreciate you coming down, you know, because we've we sent out a bunch of invites all

00:01:30.040 over the place. We rarely get liberals and people from the left. They make up maybe like five to 10

00:01:36.320 percent of the people who come out. So but actually for this show, we've been doing the Culture War

00:01:40.700 Fridays. Way more interest for more all across the spectrum. People wanting to come in. I guess it's

00:01:46.380 because it's not as topical news, right? It's just we can talk about whatever.

00:01:51.100 Yeah. No, I come bearing revolution. And so there's a reason why I came.

00:01:58.960 And but but what you're pointing out is actually important. And and I think it's actually been

00:02:04.260 harmful to the left that we have not engaged as much. And so I think like, for example,

00:02:12.140 we'll get into it probably later as to like our differences. And there's plenty of differences

00:02:17.520 for sure. And then I think that I would cue the audience to look out, though, for the similarities,

00:02:25.800 because there's so much that we disagree on. But there's also a ton that we agree on. And I'm what

00:02:32.720 I mean, like, I don't mean necessarily mean you, but we'll find out if we but I bet we do. Right.

00:02:37.880 I think we agree more than we disagree. Yeah. And I think that the American people agree a lot more

00:02:42.540 than they realize. And partly because the media is driving division. And and so but one of the

00:02:50.140 things I probably will probably get into is audience capture. Yeah. And and then a new thing that

00:02:55.460 happened, in my opinion, which is guest capture. And and and that's kind of our fault of the meaning

00:03:03.100 the left's fault, because I think Joe Rogan got guest captured. I think Bill Maher did to some

00:03:10.620 degree. And maybe you did. I don't know. We'll talk about it. But but that's because they have

00:03:16.940 nonstop right wingers on, in my opinion. But at the same time, the left doesn't love to go on

00:03:22.960 shows and that are right wing and, you know, platforming and all that BS. So that curse on the

00:03:29.360 show. And it's up to you. I guess we try not to. I know we try not. We try to be family

00:03:33.320 friendly. OK. All right. God bless. OK. Yeah. What is what it is? But I think you're I think

00:03:38.240 you're right to varying degrees. Some some are more resistant to capture than others

00:03:43.200 to their own detriment. And but this has been something we've talked about when and I agree

00:03:49.940 on the Joe Rogan thing, too. It's people are getting they get attacked for going on Rogan.

00:03:54.920 And they get, you know, I don't go on. It's far right. Why are you doing it? I mean,

00:03:59.980 there are even people who are saying it's a bad idea to have you on the show. But that's

00:04:03.080 the most laughable thing in the world, because we we try to get as many people as possible

00:04:07.040 across the spectrum. And the strange thing about it is when people will say that like

00:04:15.320 Timcast IRL is far right or whatever. Or my favorite was when Hassan called Ian Crossland

00:04:22.440 a conservative. All right. Do you know who Ian is? I mean, he's a hippie dippy crystal

00:04:27.040 weirdo who doesn't like Donald Trump. And I would for him. Well, we don't we don't really

00:04:32.860 know how to describe Ian other than he's just like a wild card kind of guy who doesn't follow

00:04:37.740 the news in the same way as everybody in the culture war. And so he's often pushing back

00:04:43.060 on us in very strange ways, such as he said Palestine should be the 51st state of the United

00:04:47.660 States, which is a strong departure from anyone in politics. But then he'll get called

00:04:53.680 conservative just by virtue of being on the show with us.

00:04:57.560 Okay, well, let's get into it, because I get it. And but I I've kind of changed my mind

00:05:03.180 on something there. And that's partly why I say come bearing revolution. All right. Because

00:05:08.180 look, uh, the thing that really, uh, set me off, uh, and I thought that you were in that

00:05:16.460 group, but I'm now beginning to change my mind a little bit on it is that this is a old tried

00:05:22.100 and true tactic of the right wing is that they get people who used to be left wing and

00:05:27.260 then they, uh, turn them into turncoats. They pay them a lot of money and then they trot

00:05:32.880 them out there like in like hostage videos. And then Tulsi Gabbard and Tulsi Gabbard will

00:05:37.900 come and go, I am a left winger, but the right wing is right about everything. The right wing

00:05:41.800 is right. The right wing is right. And then they love it. And they just all like this orgiastic

00:05:46.000 reaction of like, Oh, even the left wingers agree with us. We're so right. And it's like

00:05:51.740 a trick that works every time with the right wing audience. And it's super frustrating.

00:05:56.380 They, they, they do it with former conservatives and Joe Biden.

00:05:59.320 Well, no, no, that's a little different. I, I hear what you're saying. The reason why

00:06:04.960 I say it's a little different is because, uh, the former conservatives are almost all

00:06:09.620 corporatists and the democratic party is also corporatists. So it's not like they're, you

00:06:16.360 know, changing their actual ideology, right? Yep. They're, they're pro war, they're pro corporate,

00:06:22.280 they're pro establishment power, pro revolving door politics. And so pharma pro big oil pro everything

00:06:28.460 that's, uh, donors, multinational corporations, et cetera. Right. So whereas like Tulsi is

00:06:34.480 a liar, like she was, yeah, of course she was, first of all, to be fair to her, uh, in

00:06:39.980 a deeply ironic way, she was always a secret right winger, but she was lying that she was

00:06:45.520 a progressive. Uh, and so the first person to suss that out was Anna and Anna did a bunch

00:06:52.420 of stories about how Tulsi was a right winger back when she was pretending to be progressive

00:06:56.120 and running for president in 2020. And people, what is that? Is that like the gay marriage

00:07:00.160 stuff or something? That stuff. She's always hated Muslims. Like there's like, she's like,

00:07:06.320 I'm all for peace unless it's Muslims and let's bomb them drone strikes and troops and go get

00:07:12.200 the goddamn Muslim. I mean, I mean, they just all happen to me, Muslim countries. And I just

00:07:17.240 happen to be a Hindu nationalist, but, but just like ran. Oh, it's just random. Okay.

00:07:22.200 Did she go to Syria? She was trying to, yeah, she went to Syria, met with Bashar al-Assad.

00:07:26.900 Nah, she's like, she's a, I don't know what she's doing, but she's not a progressive. So

00:07:32.300 her going out there and pretending to be a progressive and doing right wing propaganda

00:07:36.220 gets under every skin I have. Okay. So, but now that gig is up, right. Or that jig is up

00:07:41.760 like her, Glenn Greenwald, a couple of others. I don't want to start the drama. Right. But

00:07:46.000 like, you think even Glenn is. Oh yeah. Yeah. So look, here's the thing again, the, to be fair

00:07:53.660 to both Tulsi and Glenn, they had right wing tendencies throughout. Uh, and, and Glenn in

00:07:59.980 the, used to do it in a principled way. Uh, so I remember we had a debate on young Turks

00:08:05.080 between Glenn Greenwald and Larry Lessig, who's like a legendary campaign finance reform, uh,

00:08:10.600 professor and leader and godfather of the movement. It was right after citizens United. And because

00:08:15.440 we've been around forever and Lessig was saying that citizens United was decided wrong. And Glenn

00:08:20.940 was arguing that it was decided, right. So Glenn was in favor of money in politics. Now he'll

00:08:25.860 probably some say some BS about, well, no, I'm not in favor of money in politics. I just think

00:08:30.540 the politics should drown in it. And that it's like free speech, that it's awesome that all these

00:08:34.880 companies bribe all of our politicians, but Hey, free speech. So whatever that was, but back then,

00:08:39.880 I mean, like that was out of actual principle, whatever, you know, principle he thinks he has.

00:08:43.980 So there was like a little right wing tinge to him, uh, even back then, but now it's so over

00:08:49.820 the top. Everything is, Oh, Tucker Carlson is so right to I'm, I'm a liberal. And I think Tucker

00:08:55.320 Carlson is the most right person in the world. Like Glenn, like we don't see it. Come on, brother.

00:09:00.000 Let's, uh, let's define left and right. How would you, how would you describe it?

00:09:02.940 So, but that's where we're getting into now the new world. Okay. So that frustrated me about

00:09:08.480 Rogan and Mar and you as well. Like I thought here's three, here we go again, pretending to be

00:09:15.080 left wing and then saying things that are all right wing and going, see the right wings right

00:09:19.180 about everything. Right. But I now think a little bit differently about you three. Okay. I still,

00:09:24.560 I think Tulsi and Glenn are still just playing a scam, total, total utter scam. Okay. Um, but, uh,

00:09:31.760 and, and it's, Oh, Dave Rubin is a classic example of that scam. You know, he also had

00:09:37.540 like right wing tendencies a little bit. He like loves, uh, you know, anything that's brutal

00:09:43.120 on the Israeli side. He's like, occupation is great. Bombing the hell out of the Palestinians

00:09:48.080 is awesome. So he always believed that even when he was pretending to be a liberal. So, but

00:09:52.800 for like, like Dave, he's, there's nothing left about him, nothing. And no one thinks that

00:09:59.660 Dave Rubin is left anymore. And as long as you don't think he's a left winger and you're not

00:10:03.580 running that scam and you just say, okay, you're a right winger, then I have no problems. Then let's

00:10:07.820 debate. It's no big deal. Right. Even he calls himself conservative now. Yeah. Yeah. He gave up

00:10:11.800 that. But what, what, what, what is left and right in your, in your, yeah. So, um, I'm going to

00:10:17.120 get to that through the answer of you, Rogan and Mar that new group. Okay. So Mar is not a right

00:10:22.240 winger. Like I get it. Right. But he does, he have right wing views. Yeah, he does. Right. So he's

00:10:27.800 terrible on Israel and, uh, and Muslims, et cetera. He's in the Sam Harris group. And there's a bunch

00:10:34.120 of other things he's terrible on, but, but he's right about a lot of other things, right? He's

00:10:39.260 right about Biden. He's right about at least half the topics. And Rogan is not, is genuine. Like

00:10:46.220 as much as like, I get frustrated by Rogan and I think there was audience capture and guest capture

00:10:51.040 and all of that. He genuinely means it. And part of the reason is he was already rich. He didn't need

00:10:56.260 to do Dave Rubin like scams to get rich. Right. So he's, he's just has his own opinions. He's

00:11:01.860 sharing them. They're leaning more right wing, but as long as it's genuine, I got no problem with it.

00:11:07.560 Right. The more, uh, the more the left refuses to come on, the more you get conservative right

00:11:14.300 libertarian or post liberal, whatever you want to call it. And then the more your views are going to

00:11:19.000 be shaped by those that are surrounding you. You know, you are the summation of the five people that

00:11:22.240 surround you. A hundred percent. Right. Tim. So like I say, this is the very beginning of my book.

00:11:26.960 I, we have hardware and software right in our heads. So our hardware is our DNA and what we're

00:11:31.920 predisposed to. Uh, so it was maybe later we can get it in my hardware, which is complicated because

00:11:39.080 I'm generally very progressive in my nature. Uh, but there are parts of me that are conservative,

00:11:44.180 uh, that like, I don't like change. I like staying in the same house. I like driving on the same road,

00:11:50.720 uh, et cetera, et cetera. So there's are the hardware is a little complicated, but the software

00:11:55.020 is the interesting part. Software is where you get all of your ideas from. And where do you get

00:12:00.360 them from? You get them from family, friends, media, your surroundings, et cetera, the bubble that

00:12:06.360 you're in. And we're all in a bubble. And, and I try to get the left to understand brothers and

00:12:13.220 sisters, the right wing is not the only people in the bubble. Like we think MAGA is nuts, right? We think

00:12:18.060 like the election being stolen is the craziest thing that anybody's ever thought. And, and,

00:12:22.540 and I believe that a hundred percent. Okay. So they're in their bubble in our, in our opinion,

00:12:26.320 but we have our own bubble, right? And so in our own bubble has some things that aren't true in it

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00:14:03.280 on care. Did I mention that we care? Now I sense a disturbance in the force and before everything

00:14:13.520 was left-wing or right-wing and it isn't that anymore, especially in the last six months or so,

00:14:19.280 I have started to see hosts who are no longer easy to define. Okay. That have opinions that are

00:14:28.140 in different parts of the spectrum. And then the best part of it is I started to see the audience

00:14:34.500 in left-wing audiences, right-wing audiences, middle audiences, starting to have opinions all

00:14:39.620 over the political spectrum. And that's actually a beautiful thing. And the reason that that's great

00:14:45.480 is because these preset ideologies, just believing in them is irrational. Like, so what, we're supposed

00:14:52.560 to be either left-wing or right-wing and that comes with like 80 different policy points on each side

00:14:56.900 and somehow magically we're supposed to agree with all 80 on the right-wing side or all 80 on the left

00:15:04.720 wing side. And that's not how humanity works, right? We wind up in different parts of the spectrum for

00:15:10.320 different issues. So I've noticed this too because we've had guests on that I would probably describe

00:15:14.760 as tribalist left and they hold default positions you expect to hear on Twitter on X or whatever or in

00:15:21.060 the news. And then we'll have, uh, people like destiny on and destiny will give a well thought

00:15:26.340 out reasonable response, addressing the points that were made and have a real conversation about where

00:15:30.800 positions are. The fascinating thing, I'm, I'm a big fan of destiny. He's great. And, uh, he'll

00:15:36.060 passionately say Trump sucks. Like here's the problems with Trump. And then we'll have other

00:15:40.180 conversations about culture war issues. And he's like, Oh yeah, that's totally true and correct.

00:15:43.160 Right. Uh, when he, he said, uh, he got in trouble on Twitch for this cow Rittenhouse was the

00:15:47.660 clearest cut case of self-defense he had ever seen. And so that's taboo in the tribal aspect of

00:15:53.160 it. But you know, I see, I see, uh, destiny as someone, he's just a guy who sees things and forms

00:15:58.720 a moral framework around news, facts, and information. We might disagree on some things,

00:16:03.080 but that's totally fine. Yeah. I think destiny is a great example of it actually. And I was on his

00:16:07.820 show too. And we, so then even though he's the right of me on a lot of cultural issues,

00:16:15.400 he's, so this is where the spectrum bends. It doesn't even make any sense, right? But people

00:16:21.460 in DC would say he's to the left of me on democratic party issues. Like I, uh, even though I'm running

00:16:28.860 for president on the democratic side, jank for america.com, um, we, uh, um, but I, I think

00:16:37.460 democratic leadership is awful and, and destiny is like such an interesting character and a bit

00:16:43.000 of an avatar for the new, uh, paradigm because he, he will not agree with the orthodoxy of some of

00:16:50.440 the left, but then he loves Biden. And I think it's hilarious. Like, like he's genuine about it.

00:16:56.240 So I don't mind at all. Yeah. Right. Remember when they said that, uh, Kamala Harris was to the left

00:17:00.320 of Bernie Sanders. Yeah. And then by the way, then Trump said that she was a Marxist and a communist.

00:17:05.660 Right. Well, let's make up our minds. What they were really saying was that she does not compromise

00:17:09.940 with Republicans. So her voting record is almost more aligned with Democrat party politics. Whereas

00:17:14.540 Bernie Sanders was willing to compromise with anybody to get a bill through, which shows in

00:17:18.600 my opinion, more reasonable behavior. But then the media narrative is because she's voted without

00:17:24.300 Republicans, she's more left, which is like literally makes no sense. No, that's a great point

00:17:28.740 because they actually do that to progressives all the time. That's mainstream media trick. 101,

00:17:34.180 uh, Bernie Sanders, uh, is not a real Democrat. Well, but wait a minute. What is the

00:17:39.820 real Democrat mean? The Democrats used to be the party of FDR. And so it meant social security

00:17:45.040 and LBJ, you know, Medicare and civil rights and voting rights and all these progressive

00:17:50.940 policy positions, uh, you know, war on poverty, et cetera. And Bernie Sanders represents that

00:17:56.820 infinitely better than Kamala Harris or Joe Biden, but the democratic parties become corrupted

00:18:01.900 now. And so they vote for things that are not left wing at all. They're that are just

00:18:07.540 corporatist. And then the media comes in, which is corporate media. And they go, the corporate

00:18:13.460 positions are the democratic positions. These FDR positions are terrible right wing positions.

00:18:19.740 You're like, no, you're just now you're making up things that are weird and ridiculous. And that's

00:18:25.500 partly why mainstream media lost all credibility claiming that Kamala Harris is further left than

00:18:30.040 Bernie Sanders. You'd have to be in an institution to believe that, but that is how they, but they're

00:18:34.240 tricky. They're liars. So they don't say, they don't say Kamala Harris is more left wing than

00:18:39.880 Bernie Sanders. They say Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. Yeah. And it cues. Yeah. It cues the

00:18:46.680 democratic voters to think he's a Republican because he's not a Democrat when in reality, he's further

00:18:52.120 left than the Democrats. The media knows that trick, but they go technically, I didn't say he wasn't

00:18:58.240 left wing. I said he wasn't a Democrat. Technically he's not. Well, I think Trump and Bernie caused this

00:19:06.060 fracture in 2015 into 16. Bernie was too far left and they could not let him gain popularity in the

00:19:12.120 party. They could not let him win the nomination. It was a meteoric rise. Donald Trump was called by

00:19:16.720 Vox.com a moderate Republican, and he was actually taking more moderate, even right, right leaning

00:19:22.980 Democrat positions to try and generate mass appeal, resulting in the Democrats having to oppose

00:19:27.820 whatever it is Trump was suggesting, and then creating this weird amalgam of neocons and neoliberals

00:19:32.600 taking corporate establishment positions, which was then the left. Yeah. Like you gotta, we, we,

00:19:39.560 we try to do have that, uh, uh, I have this debate, uh, very often with people on the right when they say

00:19:44.560 leftists take guns. And I'm like, no, the left is, they like, they like guns. Liberals want gun control.

00:19:50.800 There's a distinction there, but the media will only give you one narrative and then they try to

00:19:55.040 lump everyone in the same categories. Yeah. So the, the phenomenon you described about Trump and

00:19:59.780 opposing Trump is I think 95% right. And, uh, and, and it, it really saddens me, sickens me that the

00:20:08.500 Democratic party has been taken over by neoliberals and neocons. And I mean, just look at, uh, MSNBC,

00:20:13.860 it's wall to wall, former Republicans and intelligence officials and intelligence officials

00:20:21.260 and generals and former Republican congressmen. I mean, Nicole Wallace is celebrate like in DC.

00:20:27.480 She's the bell of the ball. Every, Oh, Nicole Wallace, Trump resistor extraordinaire. She was,

00:20:33.920 her job was very literally to be the mouthpiece for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney as they were

00:20:40.220 starting the most disastrous wars in, in U S history. How, how, how does George W. Bush,

00:20:46.340 how does, how has he recovered his favorability among Democrat voters? You've seen the polls.

00:20:50.480 Yeah. And so, and that's what drives me crazy. So Liz Cheney opposes Trump. I think it's courageous

00:20:56.820 and I appreciate her for it, but I disagree with everything else that she says and does.

00:21:02.820 You don't have to lose your mind and be like, Liz Cheney is now a good guy. And I love Liz Cheney.

00:21:08.780 No, no, no, no. She, if you give her an opportunity, she'd start the next war in about

00:21:13.640 half a second. And then they were, then Nancy Pelosi hugging Dick Cheney. No, no. Dick Cheney

00:21:19.780 is prime evil. So you don't hug Darth Vader because he's against some other Sith Lord.

00:21:26.180 Well, let's, let's, let's talk about you run for president. Yeah. Can you be president? Uh,

00:21:29.980 the argument being that you were not born in the United States. Uh, your parents were not American

00:21:34.680 citizens when you were born? No, they weren't actually. I saw you said that. I appreciate

00:21:38.600 that you were looking for, uh, you know, you were almost looking out for me, but they weren't. No,

00:21:42.260 I'm just, I just want to know a lot of people on Twitter were saying that you're, uh, the first

00:21:46.340 thing that happened was we talked about your campaign. The first thing I said was if it was

00:21:49.320 between like Mitt Romney and Joe Biden, I'm voting, I'm voting for you. Yeah. And, um, damn right.

00:21:53.900 Cenk for America.com. But it's, it's, it's because, uh, I, I even, uh, donated to Nancy Pelosi's

00:21:59.480 progressive, uh, primary rival because I think, yeah, she's prime evil. I would rather have an

00:22:04.540 idealistic young person who's wrong than evil corporate Nancy Pelosi enriching herself through

00:22:10.220 government and, and squeezing the, the, the vestiges of power until she dies. It's horrifying.

00:22:15.480 But, um, when this came up, uh, Phil Labonte immediately was like, Jenks, not a naturalized

00:22:21.180 citizen. He can't be president. And I was like, oh, okay, well then I, what are we talking about?

00:22:24.980 So, so yeah. Explain. Yeah. So first of all, uh, I'm mainly in the race to make sure that Biden

00:22:31.160 drops out. So I want to talk about that a lot. We like that. Yeah. He said 37%. Uh, you shouldn't

00:22:36.920 like that. You should be opposed to me because, uh, the Republicans in the right wing should want

00:22:41.860 Biden in this race. He's the weakest possible candidate for the Democrats. He's a sitting at

00:22:46.820 37% in the polling. He's down 10 points in independence down in five out of seven swing

00:22:53.020 states. I haven't met over 90% likelihood of losing. So if you're a right winger, you should

00:22:58.260 turn around now and be like, yeah, let's go Joe Biden. Okay. Whatever the opposite of let's go

00:23:03.720 Brandon is, um, because that brother is going to lose. Uh, there's almost no chance he wins.

00:23:09.540 I agree. And he doesn't know how to campaign. He doesn't know how to be a fight for his voters.

00:23:14.700 Like the Mike Johnson is elected speaker of the house, right? I think he's extreme MAGA. Uh,

00:23:19.860 I think he's a nut job in a thousand different ways. We can get into it later. And then when you,

00:23:24.220 uh, the press secretary is asked about it, uh, by Peter Alexander at NBC, they get into Biden mode

00:23:30.640 where they're like, well, that was in the past. And we're looking forward to the future. And we're

00:23:33.680 looking forward to working with him. Why are you defending Mike Johnson? Who's the leader of the

00:23:40.180 other party? You're supposed to fight for us. You're not supposed to go around being like,

00:23:44.740 and he Biden says it in nearly every speech. Oh, my Republican friends. I love Republicans so much.

00:23:50.900 I worked so well with Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy. We've been ripping off the American

00:23:55.560 people on behalf of corporate donors for decades. Wait, did I say that last part out loud? No. Okay.

00:24:00.620 He didn't say the last part out loud, but even if you don't think that you, even if you're the most

00:24:04.520 hardcore Biden dude in the world, which congratulations, there's three of you. Um, okay.

00:24:09.380 There's like no enthusiasm. I can get into that too. Uh, they, um, it's not going to change the

00:24:15.840 fact that the country's not into him. Like what do you think about what Matt Gates did with, uh,

00:24:20.080 with McCarthy? Uh, so that's another one that's long and complicated because I thought that there

00:24:25.560 were good parts of that. And then of course, disastrous parts of it. Right. Yeah. But let

00:24:29.320 me answer your question about the native born issue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, I'm not a native

00:24:34.240 born citizen. I'm a naturalized citizen. Okay. And so, uh, everybody then goes, well, duh, can't

00:24:40.400 you read man? It's in the constitution. It says right there, you have to be native born. Yeah.

00:24:44.760 That's in the original constitution. And, and right next to it is the clause that says that black people

00:24:49.380 are three fifths of a person. Well, can't you read man? It's in the constitution. It's right there,

00:24:55.740 man. Yeah. But there's a thing called amendments that amend the constitution. So that part got amended

00:25:03.260 out the three fifths part, obviously tons of them. Constitution got amended out and the natural

00:25:09.720 born citizen thing was amended out by the 14th amendment. So the 14th amendment says very,

00:25:15.700 very clearly anyone who is born or naturalized has due process and equal protection of the laws.

00:25:23.480 So the Supreme court has ruled that due process and equal protection means you have the same exact

00:25:28.900 rights. And they didn't put naturalized in there by accident. They put it in on purpose. That very

00:25:35.080 clearly amends the earlier part of the constitution where naturalized citizens did not have equal rights.

00:25:41.400 Now we do have equal rights. I mean, that's again, the whole point of the 14th amendment was to

00:25:46.960 take out the discrimination in the earlier part of the constitution. And they didn't say like,

00:25:53.100 Oh, born and naturalized have equal protection of the laws. Asterix, except for those goddamn

00:25:59.060 naturalized citizens, they're not allowed to be president. If they wanted to say that they could

00:26:03.280 have said that, but there is no asterix there. They didn't say that. They said, no, naturalized

00:26:08.840 citizens have all the same rights. Some people brought up that there was already a recent Supreme

00:26:13.900 court ruling, which basically ruled the other direction. Yeah. No, no, no. This is not how it's

00:26:17.580 going. Yeah. So there's, there's mixed rulings. No question. So there's, you know,

00:26:21.220 in Schneider v. Russ, they say that, uh, naturalized citizens and natural born, uh,

00:26:25.740 Americans have the same exact rights. It would be, uh, you know, wildly unconstitutional to treat

00:26:31.900 naturalized citizens as quote unquote, second-class citizens. Okay. Now in Schneider, they mentioned the,

00:26:38.620 the presidential clause, but they don't comment on it. They don't say yes or no to it. They just

00:26:43.340 noted and move on. Okay. Uh, and then there are decisions with this guy, Hassan, uh, ran, like did a

00:26:49.980 kind of a fake run. He was, he's a good guy, good intentions. I imagine. I don't know him

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00:28:20.100 on care. Did I mention that we care? And the courts then didn't really get a chance to fully

00:28:28.920 consider it. He came in with a really weak case and so he got some rulings against him, but that is not

00:28:35.200 at all definitive. And when you get into court decisions, even though the 14th Amendment is

00:28:40.580 crystal clear, lawyers get in there and they're like, well, did they mean born or naturalized even

00:28:46.340 though they said born or naturalized? And then they mean equal even though they said equal. Well,

00:28:51.160 how about this case where even though it says equal, it doesn't mean equal? Yeah, we can fight

00:28:56.280 that out and we are going to fight that out. We're going to fight that out in the courts and we're

00:28:59.000 going to win. I think you'll need an amendment. No. Yeah, good news. You're right. We did need an

00:29:04.800 amendment. We got one. It was called the 14th Amendment. All right. All right. But do you think

00:29:08.900 with the current makeup of the Supreme Court, it's more political than... Okay, let's break it down

00:29:14.540 one by one. So Tim, let me see if I can get agreement on logical and moral grounds. Okay. So

00:29:20.280 should naturalized citizens be second-class citizens where we go, we don't really trust you.

00:29:25.160 Like in the beginning, the reason they put that into the original constitution hundreds of years ago

00:29:30.180 is because back then the Habsburg dynasty was sending in princes into other bloodlines and royalty

00:29:38.340 and stuff. And we didn't want to be taken over by the Prussian empire or the Austria-Hungarian

00:29:44.720 empire. So that's what... It's an anachronism, right? Yeah. So like Congressman Ted Luz, a Democrat,

00:29:50.580 came here when he was three years old from Taiwan, grew up in Cleveland, doesn't remember Taiwan,

00:29:55.440 right? He's a colonel in the U.S. Air Force. Patrick, but David's a right-winger, was in the

00:30:00.700 101st Airborne. His family ran from Iran during the Iranian Revolution. He's Armenian Christian.

00:30:07.100 Is he disloyal? Is he more disloyal than other Americans? No way. I mean, you tell me, do you

00:30:15.060 think, do you look at those guys, Arnold Schwarzenegger, et cetera, and go, they don't love

00:30:18.820 America enough. I bet they're going to sell us out to Austria or Iran or Taiwan. I think you find

00:30:23.220 Americans will do that too. I think people, you'll find there's traders of this country. We had that

00:30:26.820 story about the military couple selling nuclear secrets, I think. What was that, like last year

00:30:30.800 or whatever? Yeah. So I, you know, in this globalized culture and world that's being built

00:30:36.980 with communication technology, I think that the question that comes up is you have to choose one

00:30:40.900 of two directions, which is either they either amend the 14th or amend the constitution away in that

00:30:47.440 direction or recognize exactly what you're saying. The issue being, you know, what we see now is birth

00:30:52.640 tourism. So based on the 14th amendment, you have, uh, women in China, men and women in China

00:30:57.720 will hire a surrogate in California to have their kid for them. So that kid is both Chinese and

00:31:03.340 American. And then what that kid's going to grow up in China and come back to the United States and

00:31:07.120 be president. They'll there, that's a, they're allowed to. So I think, I mean, look, my family is

00:31:11.540 a perfect example. Um, it's not, uh, it's not perfect in that in them. They're not anchor babies

00:31:16.300 because my sister grew up in America like I did, but she went back to Turkey. And when she came

00:31:21.720 here, uh, she wanted to have birth here more because of not like anybody thought like, Oh,

00:31:28.340 these kids are going to be the president, right? No, because it's better healthcare, but comfortable

00:31:33.700 and with her parents, with my mom and dad to take care of her. So for when she had, uh, both Hassan

00:31:39.080 and Murat, uh, my two nephews, she came back to America where she grew up to have the kids, but they

00:31:44.980 did spend their childhood in Turkey. So Hassan actually, uh, came to America when he was 18.

00:31:50.460 So, um, so, so I grew up in America and culturally I'm 100% American, right?

00:31:59.380 And this is my point, right? If, if, uh, a couple, uh, in China has a surrogate give birth

00:32:05.620 to their son in California, who is then immediately at the age of two months brought back to China,

00:32:10.460 raised completely under the CCP. And then at 35 moves to the United States and says, I'm going

00:32:15.300 to run for president. I think we'd be upset with that. We'd say, wait, wait, wait, hold on,

00:32:18.700 hold on. And for someone like Patrick, but David, or you, I know people are going to say

00:32:24.480 politics. They, they might not like yours. They probably like Patrick, but David, but you

00:32:27.840 would much rather have, uh, in my opinion, either of you who grew up in America, American

00:32:33.740 culture, and we disagree politically. It's better than someone growing up in China and

00:32:37.600 having a technicality, allow them to be our president.

00:32:39.460 Yeah, a hundred percent. So it's absurd to say that, that we are less American than the person

00:32:44.540 who went and grew up in a different country and you're not wrong. Uh, they, yeah. Folks

00:32:49.080 come over from China, Taiwan and have kids in LA. That's a common phenomenon. People know

00:32:53.780 that and they do that for tourism. And so we can argue about whether that should be allowed

00:32:59.040 or not allowed, but to say that we're less American than they are is absurd. It's totally

00:33:03.680 absurd. So logically and morally everyone gets, we shouldn't be second-class citizens. We should

00:33:08.960 have the same exact rights. And, and so, and look, I don't know if you've been, uh, if you

00:33:13.540 guys watch the Netflix show about Arnold, Arnold Schwarzenegger. So you, it just reinforces what

00:33:19.500 I would have figured about Arnold, which is that if, I mean, I love America. We can get

00:33:25.540 into that too, right? Yeah. But, but if anyone loves America more than me, it's Arnold Schwarzenegger.

00:33:31.420 I'd love it if America stopped blowing up kids overseas.

00:33:33.860 Yeah. Yeah. Just because, oh, and, and, and that's another thing with the left. I love you

00:33:38.460 guys, but it's okay to say that America has done a hundred things wrong and still say you

00:33:45.200 love it. Okay. And, and for the right wing, it's okay to say you love America and still

00:33:49.940 say that we did a hundred things wrong. It doesn't make us like evil. It just makes us

00:33:54.720 human. I think a large component of what we're saying, uh, this is going to open a can of worms

00:34:00.280 because I'm going to bring up Israel, Palestine, but there's a video coming out of San Francisco

00:34:03.540 of a bunch of students marching through the halls, chanting from the river to the sea,

00:34:06.540 Palestine will be free. And a question is brought up as why are these kids saying this? Why is this

00:34:12.420 in their mind? My, my, my reaction is not, uh, immediately like, oh, it's the left is doing

00:34:18.360 this and the right is doing this. My, my question is why aren't they chanting about Burma and Myanmar

00:34:22.800 when, uh, on a conflict that started in 1948, 12,000 dead this year alone has been ongoing.

00:34:29.200 And, uh, you know, I made, I made the comment about why does everyone care so much about this?

00:34:32.720 The, the question I have for these young people is why do they care about Palestine, but not

00:34:36.540 Myanmar? And it really is the information that they're consuming, where the information is coming

00:34:40.720 from. And I think, as you mentioned, the media, uh, so is division. I don't so much believe that

00:34:46.820 the corporate American interests, uh, are trying to cause mass fighting between left and right.

00:34:52.500 I do think there's a political component of it's good to have left and right fighting.

00:34:56.240 I believe more so foreign interests are hell bent on making sure we keep fighting, especially as

00:35:02.120 you've got war in Ukraine, you've got now war in the middle East. There is a vested interest in

00:35:06.460 watching the United States rip itself to shreds, which results in young people, whether you agree

00:35:10.840 or disagree on their position on Palestine being polarized in that direction. Yeah. So a lot to unpack

00:35:17.520 there too. Uh, by the way, before I get to that, which is a really important question, I should say

00:35:22.120 that look, whether you think it to finish up the earlier topic, whether you think that it's,

00:35:28.020 you're dissatisfied with Biden as an option in your left wing, uh, or you think you're a

00:35:33.320 naturalized citizen and you think, yes, God damn it. Take this to the Supreme court and be done with

00:35:37.540 this thing. Let's get a decision once and for all chip in a dollar at jank for america.com.

00:35:42.960 It's just like a protest. Like, no, obviously it shouldn't be Biden. And yeah, obviously naturalized

00:35:48.700 citizens should have 100% the same rights. And you know, uh, right wing personalities are rooting

00:35:53.980 for you too. They, they, they, you said they should want Biden in the race. That's true.

00:35:58.300 But a lot of people, uh, have said any dollar going to jank is a dollar, not going to Biden.

00:36:02.800 It's a dollar, not going to the DNC. Look, I even got the URL. Biden is going to lose.com.

00:36:09.160 Okay. Biden is going to lose.com because he is. And so for me, I'm, I'm lunging at the wheel,

00:36:15.980 right? And because this wheel of the beast, uh, at, at the wheel of the Titanic, because everybody's

00:36:22.440 going around rearranging the, the chairs on the deck. I'm like, guys, the chairs, aren't going

00:36:26.760 to help the iceberg. The, the polling shows it's a goddamn iceberg and we're going to hit it. And

00:36:31.120 I'm not, I'm not going to join that party, but let's go back to Palestine. Well, no, no, let's just

00:36:35.780 do this. Uh, what are your, what are your, what are your campaign positions? What are your,

00:36:39.040 what do you hope to achieve as president? Oh yeah. So that's the other reason. And then we'll,

00:36:42.760 we'll argue about them. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um, so look, my positions are enormously popular.

00:36:49.720 And so what's the difference between me and let's say a standard Democrat that might say the same

00:36:55.640 things. Uh, I'm not full of crap and they are okay. So, and I'll back that up. So I'll back up

00:37:02.340 both propositions that they're, my positions are intensely popular and a lot of the other Democrats

00:37:06.560 are unfortunately full of crap. So, okay. Uh, let's take paid family leave polls at 84%.

00:37:12.640 That's giving moms 12 weeks off after they have a baby. Right wing loves that position. It's three

00:37:19.100 quarters of the Republicans want it as well, because I mean, you want more kids, right? And so

00:37:24.900 tax credits for, for more babies. Yeah. Those types of positions pull really, really well among

00:37:29.960 right wingers and really, really well among left wingers. So we all agree, do not send moms back to

00:37:35.060 the assembly line and the coal mines that day after they deliver. I got to pause, I got to pause real

00:37:39.840 quick. I I'm not sure we got, uh, got the, the, the question early on of how do you define left and

00:37:44.540 right? Yeah. So there are things that are traditionally left and traditionally right.

00:37:49.500 Uh, but I, I define progressive for example, uh, in chapter two of my book and I, and I define it a

00:37:55.980 little bit differently than, than others do. So for me, and it'll frustrate some of you guys because

00:38:00.840 you'll think those are really American positions. You guys don't, you don't get to claim them,

00:38:04.580 but I do. Uh, so one is, uh, we believe in, uh, expanding the circle of liberty. And so, uh, you

00:38:12.680 might think like, Whoa, no man, right wings, liberty, right? Are you, are you? Because like,

00:38:16.840 we think that gay people and trans people and Muslims and everyone else should have the same

00:38:21.320 exact rights. And oftentimes the right wing goes, nah, not really. I mean, I think trans people should

00:38:26.120 be separated out here and here and here, et cetera. Right. So we can get into those debates,

00:38:30.660 but I believe in expanding the circle of Liberty and that that is a left wing and progressive

00:38:34.120 position. Um, and then you've got justice for all. And again, you would say, well, what do you mean

00:38:39.180 justice? Of course we're all for justice. Are you? Cause right now, uh, black people and white people

00:38:44.620 smoke pot at the same rates and black people get arrested at four times the rate. And so, and a lot

00:38:50.480 of, and part of the reason why I said in the beginning, but the lines are moving is because now the

00:38:55.420 right wing has moved on that position. And so the voters say, no, that is unjust. You're

00:39:00.600 right. And stop putting those guys in prison. Plus it costs money. Plus it's not fair. Plus

00:39:05.420 it leads to more racial issues, et cetera. Right. But the Republican politicians are like, oh no,

00:39:10.860 no way. Black people should be arrested at four times the rate of white people. We're not changing

00:39:15.040 a goddamn thing. They're not literally saying that. Okay. But I see your point. Yes. But they are

00:39:19.480 through their legislation. You're right. They're not saying that quote. Um, well, so, so, and then,

00:39:25.320 and, and so the idea here, and the last one is equality of opportunity. And so some on the left

00:39:31.340 might say no equality of results, but I don't agree with that at all. It's equality of opportunity.

00:39:35.980 And then again, with equality of opportunity, you say, well, the right wing is in favor of that too.

00:39:40.420 And maybe with the voters, but not the politicians, because so for example, college for all is equality

00:39:46.100 of opportunity. So everybody's got a shot at college. And my dad, they did this in Turkey in the

00:39:51.800 1960s. Okay. And we're the richest nation on earth right now. And if Turkey could afford it in the

00:39:56.940 sixties, American can afford it now. And what it does is it takes guys who are poor, like my dad,

00:40:02.400 who was a dirt poor farmer in Southeastern Turkey and gives them an opportunity. And then he becomes

00:40:08.400 a mechanical engineer. He sets up his own business. It's better for the economy, hires hundreds of

00:40:13.360 people. If I keep going, most of the right wing will agree with me, but their politicians say,

00:40:19.180 hell no, that costs rich people a nickel and a dime. I'm never going to do that for the middle

00:40:24.380 class in America. But I think, uh, all of these can be broken down to the more complex nuances of

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00:41:52.320 on care. Did I mention that we care? So when it comes to, I'll just go quickly, but then we can

00:42:00.580 start and focus on one. When it comes to sale, you mentioned trans rights. It's a question of

00:42:04.920 when does one person's rights and privileges infringe on someone else's rights and privileges?

00:42:10.500 What is a right? What is a privilege? I would say that about guns, but yes.

00:42:14.100 And right, that's a complicated one. And then when it comes to college, my first thought is,

00:42:19.620 I don't think college for all is the answer. I think school reform first. If we can get better

00:42:25.500 education at the lower grades and through high school, we may find something totally different

00:42:29.760 happens with college. If you look at the greatest generation into the boomers, they didn't need college.

00:42:34.920 Something changed. And I think what we're seeing now with college is these kids are being sent to

00:42:39.700 daycares where, you know, when my college years, I didn't go. All of my friends were just partying

00:42:45.280 all the time and learned nothing. They got out of college 22 with no careers, no plans, no experience

00:42:50.560 and massive debt. And I've already been working in, you know, I was working for O'Hare at the airport

00:42:55.120 for two years. I ended up working at a nonprofit, eventually became a director really, really quickly.

00:43:00.180 So I'm 23 with a salaried position as a director of nonprofit. My friends are working at Starbucks.

00:43:04.920 College did not actually help them. So my view is college can be good, but we got to reform the

00:43:10.320 system first instead of just saying, let's send everybody to college. Like, well, we're wasting a

00:43:15.580 lot of money with bad schooling right now. Let's fix it. However, that needs to be fixed.

00:43:19.520 So, yeah, I don't agree. I understand what you're saying. I don't really agree with that. I think we

00:43:25.400 could do both at the same time. But but as long as we're having a conversation about how to actually

00:43:31.460 fix it and we're putting our heads together, I'm down. Right. I just think the earlier years of

00:43:36.260 someone's life are the most important. And if we can get one of the one of the initiatives my buddies

00:43:40.780 were talking about 10 years ago was converting libraries into hackerspaces, effectively workshops where

00:43:45.780 the kids want to be there because they're they're making little hot air balloons or they're.

00:43:49.980 But you know what would happen next to him? What? They would immediately look at porn and

00:43:53.980 and then the librarian nowadays it like you'd be in Tennessee and then the librarian would get

00:43:59.560 arrested for 20 years because she let the kids accidentally see gay porn like straight porn.

00:44:04.580 You'd be like, go for it all day long, all day long. Oh, somebody's gay. Arrest the librarian.

00:44:09.820 That's what we'll just don't let kids get access to this stuff at all. And yeah, I mean, first of all,

00:44:14.820 that's makes the whole book banning and all that stuff and all the stuff that DeSantis passed totally

00:44:19.440 absurd. It's they're like, OK, we're going to keep these out of those kids schools and then that

00:44:25.000 way they won't have it in the libraries, the classrooms. They won't want to have any access

00:44:27.760 to it. Dude, it's called the Internet. OK, they can get access to any kind of sex, any kind of

00:44:33.880 materials, any kind of literature they could get. They're going to find out that gay people exist

00:44:39.240 online. I am afraid of saying it because then Republican politicians are going to want to ban the

00:44:43.740 Internet. But my my actual position is, yeah, I don't understand how we got to the point where

00:44:48.580 a child can't go into an adult bookstore, but a child is allowed to go on porn websites.

00:44:53.440 Yeah. And so that ship is sailed. Or I mean, something's going to be done.

00:44:57.560 Yeah. No, I don't agree with that. What has to be done is parenting.

00:45:02.220 Is it right? Yes. Yes. And so the right wing weirdly lost track of parenting because they think

00:45:07.160 that they're parenting kings, but then they're always like society has kidnapped my kids and they gave

00:45:12.380 them this. No, no. Look, I see things in society that I don't agree with. And you know what I do?

00:45:17.100 I sit my kids down and I talk to them and I say, here's what's right and here's what's wrong and

00:45:21.400 here's why. Right. But do you know why the issue of the books comes up? It's because parents were

00:45:26.560 not being informed and the information was being withheld from them. That's why the bill was parental

00:45:30.300 rights and education, one component of which was third grade and below didn't have access to sex

00:45:36.000 education. They removed that. So, yeah, Tim, that part's easy, right? If the Republicans left it at,

00:45:41.540 hey, third grade and below, remove all sex education, gay, straight, it doesn't matter.

00:45:46.260 We're not talking to kids below third grade. And then you left it at that. Great. Nobody's got a

00:45:50.900 problem. If they have a problem, they're going to lose anyway. That's an extremist position, right?

00:45:54.860 So, but then it didn't stop at third grade. Then it went to all, yeah, it went to elementary,

00:45:59.540 then it went to junior high. And I'm like, okay, but in junior high, they got to start learning sex ed.

00:46:04.560 That's when they get 12, 13, 14. That's should, all right. Then they went to high school. I'm like,

00:46:09.760 what are we doing here, guys? But here's the issue. And the other thing is, Tim, sorry, but

00:46:14.920 if it was like, hey, you know what? We don't want them exposed to violent material or sexual

00:46:19.160 material. Okay. Right. But once they started going, but we don't want them exposed to the

00:46:24.520 gay people and trans people. We don't want anybody talking about that crap. Okay. Then I'm like,

00:46:31.540 okay, then you don't care about sex. And this isn't about parenting. It's just,

00:46:34.580 you don't like those people. Just be honest. So, so the issue that I see is when I did sex ed,

00:46:39.920 I was in fifth grade. Parents signed off on a permission slip. Some, there was one kid,

00:46:44.460 only one kid out of my class who was actually taken out of the room and the parents were like,

00:46:47.540 he's not allowed. And so I don't know what he did. He went to lunch or something.

00:46:50.040 Yeah. Sex ed was the boys and the girls were separated. They then explained organs,

00:46:54.940 organ function, and the process of fertilization, how babies are made and things like that.

00:46:58.960 And we were all like 10 years old. And now we actually have a sample of these books that are

00:47:03.580 considered sex ed, but it's actually kink talking about scat. And if you want me to show you the

00:47:08.800 book, I'll show you the book. I mean, I don't, so when, when I'm good on scat, but right. This is,

00:47:13.620 what happens then is you, uh, I think you've talked about this too. Uh, someone on the right will say

00:47:19.960 like there, there's a parent and not even necessarily a right-wing person says, I discovered this book in my

00:47:24.800 school, which shows graphic kink depictions and kink education about things totally unrelated to

00:47:29.560 reproduction and sex. And then you get a knee-jerk reaction from the tribal left saying you want to

00:47:35.500 ban books, you're anti-gay. And it's like, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Like this book just shows

00:47:40.180 someone giving a blow job, you know, and playing with strap-ons and things like this. That's not for

00:47:45.200 kids. But Tim, if you guys left it there, I, it would have been just a fringe part of the left

00:47:52.200 arguing for dildos in class. Okay. That would, that would not have been the entirety of the

00:47:56.960 left. It would not have become a national issue. You guys didn't leave it there. Then you went to

00:48:01.080 like any book that mentions gay people. But you say we, like we did not like, whoever we are here

00:48:06.240 at Timcasts, we're weirdos or something, but you're right. Yeah. Rhonda Santis then expands it. Uh,

00:48:11.740 Florida then goes up to, I think 12th grade and said, keep these books out. But, but there's,

00:48:16.520 there's not, uh, uh, the, the problem I see is when the right comes out and says, Hey,

00:48:22.460 that's kind of a problem. You get a tribalist reaction defending it. And, uh, you know, we had

00:48:27.560 Emma, uh, vigilant on from majority report. And I asked her if she was in favor of, uh, whatever

00:48:32.320 book do we have over there? We have, this book is gay, which, which actually describes scat. And

00:48:37.020 like, that's just the most extreme example of like, Hey, don't give that to kids. And she goes,

00:48:41.620 so you're for censorship. I'm like, well, are you, you think my, my response is, it's simple.

00:48:47.000 I am for censorship. I 100% are for censorship. I think Facebook should censor. I think X should

00:48:52.200 censor and YouTube should censor. But what should censor is, is what is being argued. I don't think

00:48:57.920 YouTube should allow graphic terrorist videos of beheadings and things like this. I have no

00:49:03.060 problem with them putting filters and restrictions and making sure kids don't get that. The same as I

00:49:07.380 think schools should be like, Hey, this book's got a, someone given a blow job in it. Maybe we

00:49:11.160 should take that to the library. But the knee jerk reaction of you, you support censorship. I'm

00:49:15.660 like, not an argument, you know, or unless you're just trying to defend these books.

00:49:19.500 But by the way, though, what you're saying applies exactly to the right wing as well about those

00:49:25.140 platforms where they, where the platform say, Hey, we're not going to allow terrorist videos on.

00:49:29.820 We're not going to allow child porn on, and we're not going to allow Nazis on. And then they go,

00:49:33.820 Oh, censorship, our beloved poor Nazis. They're not allowed on anymore. You left wing censors.

00:49:41.160 Right. Well, hold on. Let's break it down. What do we mean by censorship? Like to your point,

00:49:48.680 we all agree with some degree of censorship, right? We, I hope everybody agrees. Don't allow

00:49:54.060 child porn anywhere. Right. Easy. Right. So then the question is, where do you draw the lines?

00:49:59.460 So like, we already agreed Ron DeSantis was wrong. He drew the line too far out to 12th grade.

00:50:05.720 He went too far in, in banning things that weren't about sex, but we're just mentioning

00:50:10.420 gay people. I don't know if you agree with that, but I'm saying it. Okay.

00:50:13.720 Well, did you watch his press conference where they go through the books?

00:50:16.480 So look, you pick out individual books and you say, Hey, these are,

00:50:20.140 have inappropriate sexual stuff. And it's for under third grade, under fifth grade,

00:50:24.560 et cetera. No problem with that conversation. Okay. So it's when you get to don't mention gay

00:50:29.400 people that I'm that I will never accept that under any circumstance.

00:50:33.020 I agree though. And I think, I think that is more of a, I don't know to describe that. I think

00:50:37.420 at least for us, the conversation we're having is there's a teacher in Illinois who gave kids

00:50:41.920 access to this book is gay, which teaches it was to 10 year olds, how to use grinder. And it's kind

00:50:46.920 of like, okay, guys, she got, she got, again, they called the cops on her. So, so, but, but don't

00:50:52.140 call the cops on her either. Right. Like don't, don't overreact. So like, so let's say that that

00:50:56.820 happened to my kids. My kids are 13 and 11. Right. And so they were just around that age

00:51:01.080 and some weirdo teachers teaching them about grinder. Okay. The way, the reaction I would

00:51:06.680 have is first, I'd sit the kids down and go, Hey, ignore that. That's for when you grow up and

00:51:10.540 you make your own decisions. That's not the thing that you should be concerned about. Now I'd have

00:51:14.520 a good talk with them about the context. Then I would go to the school and say, guys, what are we

00:51:18.740 doing? Right. You can't teach grinder. What are you doing? Did you see what happened when parents

00:51:22.380 did that? Well, but the problem to him is no, I didn't, but FBI called them terrorists.

00:51:27.260 No, but, but so you guys get so carried away with the FBI calling people terrorists because

00:51:32.900 you think that they're doing it in such an expansive way, but they're not. It's like,

00:51:37.420 this is hysteria. FBI is mainly targeting domestic terrorists that are actually right-wing terrorists.

00:51:43.960 And so like, then again, people catch feelings because they're like, right wing can't be

00:51:47.360 terrorists. No, definitely can be terrorists. The dude sent pipe bombs to anyone who opposed

00:51:52.740 Donald Trump. That guy's a terrorist. Okay. And he happens to be a right-wing terrorist.

00:51:58.200 And the FBI is saying at this point, which the FBI, which is historically massively right-wing,

00:52:05.540 the idea that the FBI, some sort of left-wing deep state is hilarious, not backed up by a single

00:52:11.500 fact, but so the right way. And so the FBI is saying, Hey guys, we wish it weren't the case,

00:52:16.740 but most of the domestic terrorists in America now are right-wingers and they're all trying to kill

00:52:21.480 anyone who disagrees with Donald Trump. I just think that's wrong. And I think,

00:52:24.860 uh, I, I certainly think there are, uh, right. And by the way, I just want to be clear that doesn't

00:52:30.260 mean all right-wingers or a majority of right-wingers are terrorists. It just means of the terrorists

00:52:35.700 that are around now, which is a small group, right? Unfortunately, most of them are right-wingers

00:52:42.220 at this point. I think it's completely inverted, but the bias comes from the extremity of the

00:52:47.760 actions taken by the, by the terrorists. So you'll end up with a story of a guy, um, perhaps,

00:52:53.440 perhaps Maine. I think the story is more about, um, uh, what happened in Maine. He was, uh, mentally

00:52:58.120 unwell and he was targeting his friends is what they're reporting. Now he thought his friends

00:53:01.380 were talking behind his back and he went nuts. But, um, by the way, they're all mentally unwell.

00:53:06.180 Of course, of course. No, but it's not of course, because the right-wing says anytime it's a

00:53:09.760 white person or a right-winger, they go mentally unwell. And I go, and I'm, because I'm honest,

00:53:14.080 I agree. Right. And so in there, they'll have their men, it's half of them will have their

00:53:18.560 manifestos like in Charlottesville, he had a manifesto about race wars and how black people

00:53:23.600 were terrible. And that's why he went inside a black church and shot him up. El Paso was against

00:53:27.400 Latinos. There's a synagogue shootings. So these are political. There's no question, but no one who's

00:53:33.000 mentally well goes into a synagogue or a church and shoots people. But that is also true of

00:53:39.300 Muslims. When it comes to right-wing, they're like, oh yeah, that's so true. When it comes

00:53:43.980 to right-wing or so true, they're just mentally unwell. They don't represent us Muslims. Oh,

00:53:47.120 it's all Muslims. It's almost there. They're all mentally. Well, that's why they shot up people.

00:53:51.340 They don't have any mental health problems. Their problem is that they're Muslim. Well,

00:53:54.160 there were no, no, no, you're that's, that's exactly bigotry. No, all those dudes have

00:53:58.880 massive mental health problems as well. So instead of saying, Hey, I hate black people,

00:54:04.100 they're saying I hate the West or whatever it is. But, but so here's my point. Um, the examples

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00:55:39.100 And these people are, they're acts of evil, abject evil. On the left, you get what I would call more

00:55:47.260 blunt terror. So for instance, the George Floyd riots, when you had small towns across this country,

00:55:53.020 Michael Tracy's reporting, showing a grocery store with its windows smashed out and they spray paint

00:55:57.460 on the boarded up window saying, please don't hurt us. When you have people in Berkeley, they all,

00:56:02.060 I was at a bar in Berkeley and they had Trump sucks. Trump is a pig on the window and I'm having a

00:56:07.700 drink and I asked, this is like 2017. I asked, I was like, you guys not big Trump fans? And the

00:56:12.480 bartender's like, no, we like him. And I'm like, why would you put that in the window? If we don't,

00:56:16.000 they'll smash our windows out and attack us. That people live in, have you been to Berkeley?

00:56:21.240 There's a Burger King with a big sign in the window saying, we are not a corporate chain.

00:56:24.520 We are family owned. Please don't hurt us. I'm like, why would you live that way?

00:56:28.120 You look at May 29th when far leftists firebombed the white house grounds and St. John's church.

00:56:34.860 And this is not major news. There's no committee hearings, but if you're somebody who lives,

00:56:40.760 I'll give you a more recent example. When I'm in Reston, Virginia, having dinner with the team here,

00:56:46.440 a guy comes up and says, you're not going to hear this a lot in Reston, but I'm a big fan.

00:56:49.840 And I was like, actually like four people already have come up and, and okay, that's the blunt terror of

00:56:55.180 in a town I live in. I have to whisper. And I'm scared that someone might find out. I listened

00:56:59.360 to Tim cast when in reality, people who worked there and other people had already said this,

00:57:03.760 but they all seem to say the thing, say, say the same things. I'm scared to it, to express my

00:57:07.800 opinions. That's not terrorism, uh, Tim, but it is people who are living in terror for political

00:57:13.120 reasons. No, no, no. Let me, let me clarify. Okay. So firebombing the white house is not terror.

00:57:17.720 So no firebombing of course is, but that's it, Tim, that is enormously rare on the left. So you can

00:57:23.820 always go back to, Hey, the guy who shot Steve Scalise, Hey, we found it one time. Okay. Um,

00:57:28.860 so, but what you're talking about is cultural domination. And is that true in Berkeley that

00:57:34.460 the left dominates in a way that is oppressive to the right? Like they, if you're the right,

00:57:39.500 I'm talking about, no, no, I get it. And the salon owners, no, no, I know. And, and, and to the

00:57:44.520 middle as well, right? Yes. But is it also true that you'll get the same kind of cultural

00:57:49.500 domination in the middle of Alabama. So if you, if you're in the middle of Alabama and you put up

00:57:54.720 a Trump suck sign, you are going to have massive problems. You will not get someone coming to your

00:57:59.540 house and threatening to kill you. You're nuts. Yes, you will. In fact, there's a guy who had a

00:58:04.200 Trump sign in the middle of Pennsylvania and his neighbor, I'm sorry, a Biden sign or something.

00:58:08.660 And his neighbor shot him and killed him because he's like, you're against Trump. I hate you. I'm

00:58:13.200 going to murder you. Biden sign. I forget what the sign was, but it was something either against

00:58:17.320 Trump or pro Biden or pro something. It happened a couple of years ago. You could definitely look

00:58:21.340 it up. Um, and so, yeah, no, no. Are you, there's huge parts of this country that if you say Trump

00:58:28.380 sucks, they will physically assault you. I mean, look, I was forget the middle of the country. I was,

00:58:33.880 when I ran for Congress, we did a panel up in, uh, Palmdale, which is in, you know, outer parts of LA.

00:58:40.940 Uh, but there's like, like far right militia types up there as well. Right. Even though it's

00:58:46.860 mainly democratic. And so it's a bunch of like massive right wingers came to our panel and I

00:58:53.360 said one thing against Trump and they nearly assaulted me. They're like, how you can't say

00:58:57.660 that about our president. Right. Uh, well then they say Barack Hussein, Obama's a Muslim terrorist.

00:59:03.440 I said, wait a minute. I thought we weren't saying bad things about presidents. What happened? Right.

00:59:07.500 So, so there are people that are massively full of crap on both sides.

00:59:11.240 But perhaps the issue then is these, these, these types you're describing live in sparsely

00:59:16.180 populated areas. You may, maybe don't see them. They don't have a larger impact on greater society

00:59:21.020 because of the density of cities and the amount of people who live there.

00:59:23.400 No, but they have, but they have a massive impact. The right wing does in the middle of

00:59:27.500 the country. What we hear all the time on the young Turks is, oh, thank God. I thought I was alone.

00:59:32.940 Right. Like I see you guys and it gives me sanity because I live in the middle of Tennessee.

00:59:37.880 I live in the middle of Arkansas. I live in the middle of Texas. And everyone here thinks that,

00:59:43.040 you know, if you're against Trump, you're the devil and, and, you know, you molest kids and,

00:59:49.400 you know, it's just like what you would call cultural terrorism. Um, and so, so I don't think

00:59:56.220 that's fair to call terrorism on the right or the left. It's just cultural domination in certain areas.

01:00:00.940 And part of what I'm trying to do here, uh, is shake people out of that and go, I hear you

01:00:06.300 and look at all the things we disagree on and all the things that I've said that probably made a

01:00:09.740 bunch of right wingers angry already, but let's not lose track of the things we also agree on.

01:00:15.100 Well, so why you saw the meme from Elon Musk, where it shows the, uh, the line moving further

01:00:21.140 and further left. And then the guy who was in the middle is now on the right.

01:00:23.580 Yeah. That line is the most full of crap line I have ever seen. So I did the exact opposite line

01:00:29.460 when I was a host on MSNBC a dozen years ago, because the, in reality, there's two different

01:00:34.780 lines. There's the line that is for the country. And then there's the line that is for Washington.

01:00:39.780 Okay. And the Washington line has moved so far, right. I can't see it anymore. I was a liberal

01:00:45.640 Republican growing up. I voted. Uh, so I voted for George HW Bush. I, you know, I was a kid when

01:00:52.360 Reagan was around, but, but I love Reagan, the shining city on a Hill, et cetera. Uh, but there was a

01:00:58.320 thing called a liberal Republican back then where you could be socially liberal, but still be a

01:01:02.180 Republican that just doesn't exist anymore. So when I say conservative Democrats, yeah, it's like

01:01:06.860 everyone's talking about mansion. He can't win. Yeah. So man, mansion is not a moderate. Imagine

01:01:12.940 mansion is a corporatist through and through agreed. Okay. So he's going to lose. So where I think he's

01:01:18.760 already, I don't know. Whereas I was slight center, right. Growing up with almost the same positions.

01:01:26.360 I'm now considered massively left in Washington. Okay. Why? Because they all became corporatists.

01:01:34.000 They all, I mean, Biden was known as the Senator from MBNA, which was a credit card company back

01:01:38.960 then. That was his nickname. Yeah. Like even the people in the Senate, they're like, Oh,

01:01:42.540 it's so funny. Joe, even among us sellouts, Joe Biden's the biggest sellout. Let's call him

01:01:46.660 the Senator from MBNA. Right. So, so the, we lost it. This is chapter five of my book. I'm not

01:01:54.280 trying to plug the book. Uh, I'm just, it's a natural thing that's coming up and I want

01:01:58.640 to go back to policy, et cetera. But, um, but I, chapter four, I explained how we lost

01:02:04.340 the democratic party. So the, the chapter three is Republicans suck. Why Republicans suck.

01:02:09.060 Okay. And that, and that explains how the Republican party went from the party of Lincoln

01:02:13.120 to, in my opinion, the party of hate. Okay. So the party changed completely and they changed

01:02:18.380 completely because of the Southern strategy. But for the Democrats, they think, Oh, you're so

01:02:23.020 right about that, Cenk, but I'm like, you think your party didn't change? We used to be the party

01:02:27.360 of FDR and now we're the party of credit card companies. Wealthy. Yeah. This was 2016. Vox

01:02:33.180 called them, uh, Democrats have become the new party of the wealthy elites. Uh, yeah. And it breaks

01:02:37.440 my heart. And, but there's a lot of truth to that, but that's not the left that's corporate

01:02:41.640 Democrats in Washington. Okay. I, I, I subscribe to Jacobin magazine. Uh, Jacobin has been very

01:02:47.300 strong on defending free speech. And so, uh, when I, when I started seeing the articles

01:02:52.600 they were posting, and of course I know a ton of people who have been consistently very

01:02:55.940 left economically. And I started seeing the articles and I started reading Jacobin articles.

01:03:00.180 I'm like, this is the kind of left that I want to have an argument with one that understands

01:03:04.420 the importance of free speech. Yeah. And I can respect that. And I also think it's important

01:03:08.440 to hear what they have to say when they're making their arguments.

01:03:10.740 Yeah. I totally agree. And I'm a massive, uh, I'm, I'm very much in favor of freedom

01:03:16.040 of speech. So then we talked about censorship earlier. So then the question is again, where

01:03:20.600 do you draw the lines? The world is not black and white.

01:03:22.620 Well, so, so this is a point I did want to make on that. You said, you know, the right

01:03:25.400 saying, oh no, our precious Nazis or whatever, but it's not so much our precious Nazis. It's

01:03:29.940 especially right now with Israel, Palestine, the people who are going to bear the brunt of those

01:03:34.980 legislation, that legislation is the pro Palestine left a hundred percent agree.

01:03:38.740 So Ron DeSantis just banned, uh, uh, this is a, this is a, uh, uh, uh, there's a bit

01:03:43.440 of debate right now among Republicans. Vivek Ramaswamy is very critical of Ron DeSantis saying

01:03:47.800 this, uh, uh, the student group should be, uh, banned and forced to reform because in

01:03:53.160 their, uh, uh, school toolkit, they say they are Hamas. They are not, they're, they are

01:03:58.920 Palestinians in exile who are a part of the resistance that is, I don't know if how they

01:04:03.680 explicitly define it. They say these are resistance fighters who attacked. We are part of that

01:04:07.620 resistance. And so Ron's argument is that means they are declaring support for a terrorist

01:04:12.460 organization. Therefore we have to disband this group. Vivek says, oh, it's a bunch of

01:04:16.520 kids in a college saying stupid things. Let them say stupid things.

01:04:19.680 I agree with that.

01:04:20.440 But this is what happens when you go after free speech.

01:04:22.420 Yeah. So I, so then let's talk about where the line should be because so, uh, everybody

01:04:27.660 could look up these videos. Young Turks have been around 21 years, uh, were the longest,

01:04:32.340 um, uh, internet show in history. Um, so, uh, as far as a daily show, we've been around

01:04:39.460 longer than literally any other show in internet history.

01:04:42.640 When you guys started, you like, there were, there were no social media platforms. You

01:04:45.500 were using weird web players and stuff like school.

01:04:47.640 Yeah. Yeah. We use web players on our own website. We try to get out the word through

01:04:52.200 Yahoo messenger through AOL. We were AOL bloggers. We put up videos on my space. So we're as old

01:05:00.480 school as old school gets. And so, uh, having been around so long, you have all these videos

01:05:06.000 that show indisputably your consistency, right? So I was against Don Imus being fired. I didn't

01:05:13.500 think Rush Limbaugh should be censored or Glenn Beck. Or, uh, when I was outraged when Megyn

01:05:19.140 Kelly was fired, I'm like, okay, so she said this thing about blackface. Okay. It's wrong.

01:05:25.260 And I can explain why it's wrong, but if you fire her, nobody's even going to find out why

01:05:30.280 it's wrong. She didn't even, she didn't say she asked, she asked. That's right. She didn't

01:05:34.180 even say it. That's right. So if like Al Roker was upset, then guys, why don't you take the

01:05:38.520 opportunity to bring in Al Roker and Megyn Kelly and have an hour long conversation? And guess

01:05:43.140 what? That'd be the highest rated show you did that year. Right. And then people would

01:05:46.620 learn what's wrong with blackface. Instead you fire her. You never have that conversation

01:05:50.460 and a whole bunch of white people who've never understood the history of blackface go, what

01:05:54.980 the hell, man? I don't get it. So I was Michael Jackson in 1983 and Halloween. Well, I didn't

01:06:00.440 do it because I was racist. I'm not evil. Right. And that's because they don't know the history

01:06:04.640 of blackface and how white people would put it on and then lynch black people, et cetera.

01:06:09.080 But, but you can't blame them if they don't know. Right. So my point is I, and Ben Shapiro

01:06:15.060 and culture, Charlie Kirk going on college campuses every time I defended them. Okay. So I believe

01:06:21.800 in free speech completely. Now, having said that nothing's complete, as you pointed out

01:06:26.000 earlier, there's always some form of censorship. So where do I draw the line? I draw the line

01:06:30.320 at verifiable, but extreme hate speech. Okay. So hate speech isn't, I don't like the current

01:06:40.220 right-wing government of Israel. No, that's a policy position. Right. Okay. And hate speech

01:06:45.300 isn't, I think black people committed more crime in this country than white people. Now I could break

01:06:52.880 down why I think the context of that is wrong. Right. But that's not hate speech. You're trying

01:06:57.080 to have a policy discussion and maybe you're having it in the wrong direction, but I wouldn't call that

01:07:01.720 anywhere near hate speech. Right. So, but if you're going around saying we have to eradicate the Jews,

01:07:07.740 no, no, that's Nazis. Sorry. What about from the river to the sea? No, that's too vague. A lot of

01:07:15.200 people could mean different things by, from, I hate this term from the river to the sea, but people,

01:07:19.760 different people mean different things by that. So what, uh, and then I suppose you can cut away

01:07:24.520 the nuance. We had that video out of Cooper union. I don't know if you saw where the students are

01:07:27.680 banging on the doors with the Jewish students in the room, screaming from the river to the sea.

01:07:31.400 I think that context is more clear than, so I look, uh, that's a hundred percent wrong.

01:07:37.360 And so I think it was Riley Gaines who had given a speech, uh, about how trans women shouldn't be

01:07:44.520 allowed to compete in female sports. And she was in a college campus somewhere. I think it was in the,

01:07:50.940 uh, in the Northwest too, but I forget. Um, and, and she was scared. They surrounded the room and

01:07:58.220 they surrounded the room and the cops were scared and didn't want to take her out of the room.

01:08:02.320 Is that terrorism? So no, that you, it's too far to call it terrorism, but is it a crime?

01:08:06.800 Maybe like now we're going too far guys that, and so for me, and so it gets nuanced and this is

01:08:13.260 difficult because people like to take those things and then go to extremes. So one extreme is

01:08:19.140 then, uh, the Ron DeSantis extreme where, okay, that's it. We're going to ban all people

01:08:25.680 showing any kind of support to rhetorical support to Hamas or to Palestinians or whatever.

01:08:31.940 And, and the mainstream media shuts out both right-wing and left-wing opinions by going,

01:08:37.880 these are not acceptable thought. But when you have someone captured in a room where they fear

01:08:44.580 for their safety and cannot leave, you have gone too far. Okay.

01:08:48.840 I'd call it terrorism. No, it's too much to call it terrorism because look, do you,

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01:10:21.940 Okay, so nobody got killed. Nobody even got assaulted. But at the same time, I'm not excusing

01:10:27.840 it. I'm saying it might even be a crime. But when you call it terrorism, it lessens the actual

01:10:32.200 terrorism that Hamas does or that right-wingers here in America do. I think this is just more of a

01:10:37.900 semantic argument then. My understanding of terrorism is the use of fear, like threatening

01:10:48.960 violence or harm in order to pursue a political goal. Okay, I'm so glad you said that. So then

01:10:55.100 let me ask you this. This morning, McKay Coppins revealed another part of the book about Mitt Romney

01:11:02.340 where Mitt Romney said that most of the Republicans that did not vote to impeach or convict

01:11:09.580 Donald Trump, especially after January 6th, were because they were physically worried about their

01:11:16.680 safety. They thought that right-wing supporters of Donald Trump might kill them or their family

01:11:22.280 members. Not terrorism.

01:11:24.020 Come on, Tim. You just said it was terrorism.

01:11:26.760 You want me to explain? I'll explain.

01:11:27.760 Okay, go ahead. I can't wait for this one.

01:11:29.460 If a bunch of Trump supporters went to their offices throwing bricks or wielding bricks and

01:11:33.280 Molotovs, terrorism.

01:11:34.900 Yeah.

01:11:35.020 If a guy says...

01:11:36.020 January 6th?

01:11:37.740 Absolutely.

01:11:38.280 Where they, it's chanted, hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence.

01:11:41.120 Well, we're referring...

01:11:42.040 So that's January 6th, definitely terrorism.

01:11:44.240 Specific people on January 6th.

01:11:44.800 According to your standards, by the way, I'm not even saying.

01:11:46.180 Absolutely. Specific people on January 6th, but that's a whole very nuanced conversation.

01:11:51.780 And the issue with January 6th...

01:11:52.420 Whenever it comes to the right wing, we get more nuanced. But okay, go ahead.

01:11:55.140 Well, we're being nuanced on the left. I'm not saying that leftists who are privately

01:11:59.100 saying, you know, they want to eat the rich or whatever, committing acts of terrorism.

01:12:03.900 If someone on the left says, I'm scared of people on the right doing something at some

01:12:07.260 point, it's vague and nebulous. I'm scared of people coming here, not for political reasons.

01:12:11.940 But it's not vague and nebulous. First, January 6th already happened. I'm talking about what

01:12:16.960 Mitt Romney said. And so that's in the minds of the Republicans. And he's just relaying what

01:12:22.120 his colleagues told him. Okay. And then secondly, people confronted like Lindsey Graham at the

01:12:28.460 airport and he got really shook by that. But that's not terrorism. If a crowd of people

01:12:33.260 surrounds a room, banging on the door, screaming something related to killing you, that is blunt,

01:12:38.280 low-level terrorism. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. Now your nuance is getting

01:12:42.320 tricky because you're saying when right-wingers yell at people and surround them, that's not

01:12:48.080 terrorism. But when the left-wing does it, because they didn't say they were going to kill them in

01:12:52.560 the left-wing scenarios, they surrounded the room and yelled at them. And that is terrorism? That

01:12:57.640 doesn't make sense. Well, so you're talking about people confronting a guy in an airport?

01:13:01.260 So to me, confronting people is perfectly fine. Agreed. Okay. Surrounding a room and barring

01:13:07.580 someone into it while screaming things is not. It's not because you've- There's a line somewhere.

01:13:11.780 Yeah. And the reason why I say it might be a crime is because then they don't have freedom of

01:13:16.560 movement. So it's, you know, false arrest is almost certainly the wrong crime, but something

01:13:22.060 where you're limiting- There's a clear distinction of what I'm saying.

01:13:23.640 Yeah. You're limiting somebody's freedom. But Tim, if you think that the right-wing guys are not

01:13:29.500 physically threatening these congressmen and others, you're crazy. I'm saying a guy-

01:13:34.540 They very much physically threaten them. I'm not talking, I'm talking about if there's a guy in

01:13:40.060 Congress surrounded by all of his guards, there's no active threats or anything. And he goes,

01:13:43.420 I better not vote this way because someone's going to get mad. Well, that's not terrorism.

01:13:47.020 I totally agree. That's not terrorism.

01:13:48.360 Right. But if people are screaming, they're going, like, they're screaming things at you,

01:13:51.960 making demands of you, and there are acts of violence, people fighting cops and bashing cops.

01:13:56.080 Yes, it is.

01:13:57.040 Yeah. So if right-wingers, you know, my sense of it is we talked about the bubbles earlier,

01:14:02.360 right? That right-wingers are in their bubble and never see the right-wing attacking them.

01:14:09.980 Why would they? Because they're right-wingers. So you don't get to experience what we experience.

01:14:13.420 And for a brief moment there, around January 6th, even the Republican congressman got to

01:14:17.840 experience what the left-wing experience is. So what the left-wing experience is,

01:14:21.620 is right-wingers threatening to kill us 24-7. Now, that's not all right-wingers. We're fair,

01:14:27.660 we're reasonable. It's not the majority of right-wingers. But is there a crazed percentage

01:14:33.740 of right-wingers in this country constantly threatening to murder the left-wingers, Democrats,

01:14:39.320 and now Republican congressman? Yes.

01:14:42.200 Completely agree.

01:14:43.020 Yeah. And so every left-winger-

01:14:44.900 We see it too, though.

01:14:45.640 Every left-winger in media, but only a couple of the congresspeople, which is amazing,

01:14:50.840 because when it happens to them, they flip out. And I'm like, oh, wow. Apparently,

01:14:56.120 it doesn't happen to them every day. But for people in left-wing media,

01:14:59.820 our death threats from the right-wing are nonstop.

01:15:02.460 When I was at Occupy Wall Street, in support of the activists, to the degree of getting

01:15:10.080 information out, rejecting the arbitrary police restrictions, do you know who physically

01:15:14.100 attacked me? It wasn't right-wingers. It was the far left. We called them a black,

01:15:19.700 black anarchist at the time. People call them antifa now. I mean, it's like a vague term for

01:15:23.980 groups of left-wing ideologues who dress up and attack people. I know that if I go to a-

01:15:30.340 If we have people on the show who rag on Trump, the responses we get are, you are wrong.

01:15:35.520 If we go to places and we challenge the left, we get threats of violence and death.

01:15:40.700 No, not death. But-

01:15:42.720 But we do.

01:15:43.420 We've been-

01:15:43.840 But tell them I'm against it. It doesn't matter.

01:15:45.460 I was swatted 15 times last year. We had-

01:15:47.620 Oh, you were?

01:15:48.160 We were swatted 15 times.

01:15:49.400 Yeah, I saw that you were swatted at least once. And I said on air, I hate that.

01:15:54.340 I hate that. I despise that.

01:15:55.980 Spies, infiltrators. I mean, the degree of threats that we got were insane.

01:16:00.340 Yeah. So look, there is a strand of that on the extreme left. And it's always been around in the

01:16:07.560 extreme left. But it got so muted, it's now back to rising up. It's bubbling up. And I'm worried

01:16:13.640 about it. Whether it's tankies or whoever they are. I don't really- Like the Antifa thing,

01:16:19.580 you guys hyped up so much and then they never arrived.

01:16:22.660 What do you mean? They did.

01:16:23.380 Like there was barely any Antifa. Meanwhile, there's like right-wing militias everywhere.

01:16:28.380 Well, our right-wing-

01:16:29.320 And there's like two Antifa dudes in Portland. But there are extreme left and they are getting

01:16:35.740 more extreme now.

01:16:36.600 How many people died in the occupation in Seattle?

01:16:41.840 I don't know.

01:16:42.680 I think three?

01:16:43.920 I wouldn't doubt that.

01:16:44.980 Is it? It's particularly disconcerting when far leftists with rifles take over several

01:16:49.600 city blocks.

01:16:50.360 Yeah, that was a disaster.

01:16:51.480 And they unloaded 300 rounds into an SUV with two teenagers in it. I don't know if

01:16:56.140 they both died. There were, I think, maybe potentially three deaths specifically there.

01:17:00.760 But it's like, hey, that's what we're talking about. That happened, you know?

01:17:03.760 So that definitely happened. And that's what I mean by now-

01:17:06.500 And the George Floyd occupation as well in Minneapolis. You also had shootings. There's

01:17:10.760 a video of a car driving through and they're unloading rounds into that car. So bad things.

01:17:14.180 So there's a difference.

01:17:15.360 There's so many nuances here. And I say both about the right and the left. So in the case

01:17:20.700 of the George Floyd issues, the riots are different than the occupations, right? So the riots are

01:17:25.940 great frustration. But then after the riots is the looting. And the looting is not frustration.

01:17:31.580 That's just stealing, okay? And then the occupations are not the rioting. They're usually white people,

01:17:39.920 okay? And white liberals. White liberals who are like zany extremists. And so if you're on the left

01:17:48.080 and you think we're talking about you, no, we're not talking about you. We're talking about the guys

01:17:51.940 who say that there should be no laws within this city block or within these ex-city blocks. And

01:17:57.980 whenever you have no laws, you know what happens? Chaos. The most brutal people take over.

01:18:03.240 Yeah. Every time. And by the way, why do you think Hamas took over Gaza? Because when people

01:18:11.460 are desperate and times are tough, extremists win. Do you know how many people died in the

01:18:16.720 George Floyd riots? I don't. There's different estimates. The original estimates was around 34

01:18:21.760 to 36. I think it's been amended now based on people making arguments about what constitutes a

01:18:26.960 death during the riot versus someone died while the riot was happening. But it's between like 20 and 30.

01:18:33.240 So when you have nationwide mass protests over what I would say is arguably serious disinformation

01:18:39.620 coming out of what happened with George Floyd, people fear terrorism.

01:18:42.860 It's not disinformation, brother. I mean, we all saw it.

01:18:45.460 Well, no, no. We need to clarify what I mean by disinformation. I'm not saying – so obviously

01:18:48.940 the dude, Chauvin, put his knee on the guy's neck and this general area is like covering a large

01:18:54.560 portion of his back. But the disinformation comes around the circumstances that resulted in that,

01:18:59.440 the moral questions of what should be done, how it should be done,

01:19:01.960 and the fact that what did happen doesn't warrant 30-plus more deaths and mass riding across the

01:19:06.600 country, which destroys more lives and burns down innocent people's buildings and homes.

01:19:10.800 So, look, first of all, Chauvin killed George Floyd. He did it in a brutal way. There's no

01:19:16.720 ands or buts about that at all.

01:19:18.720 Have you read the coroner's report?

01:19:20.260 Yeah. And what happens, Tim, is that sometimes people die because they can't breathe because you

01:19:25.220 cut off the floor of oxygen. And sometimes they die and they say they can't breathe. It's because

01:19:29.420 they have a heart condition or some other condition. And when you press down long,

01:19:33.280 compress long enough, they literally have the feeling that they can't breathe and then they

01:19:37.840 die.

01:19:38.380 I don't disagree. My point more so is, are you familiar with the circumstances before George

01:19:44.380 Floyd's death? Like what led to him being apprehended in the first place?

01:19:48.020 I think he had like a fake $20 bill for which he was apparently that then you shouldn't murder

01:19:53.340 people.

01:19:53.820 But he was behind the wheel of a car chewing on a speedball, which which is methamphetamine

01:19:57.580 and fentanyl.

01:19:58.480 OK, but Tim, what effing difference does it make?

01:20:00.520 The question is, should the should the police and I'm not I'm not telling you what you should

01:20:03.580 believe. I'm asking you genuinely.

01:20:05.220 Should the police remove a driver from a vehicle who is behind the wheel who is chewing on a speed?

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01:21:37.540 Yeah, the police have to use force to some degree. I get it.

01:21:41.660 So there's a guy, a homeless guy down the street from me in LA who carries around a spear, all right?

01:21:46.980 So I'm not in the crazy leftist camp who's like, hey, that's his freedom, okay?

01:21:53.960 All right, right.

01:21:54.500 Right. And so the cops at some point have to take the spear away. Lady down the street has a machete,

01:21:59.500 okay?

01:22:00.100 But that doesn't mean that I want the cops to come and kill the guy with the spear.

01:22:03.780 Well, of course, of course. But did you watch the full body camera footage from start to finish

01:22:07.380 of how it all went down?

01:22:08.400 I believe I did in that case.

01:22:09.980 It's a moral dilemma.

01:22:11.800 And I think...

01:22:12.480 It's not at all a moral dilemma.

01:22:13.800 Oh, it absolutely is.

01:22:14.500 So Tim, you could drag him out of the car. You can't sit on his neck for nine minutes,

01:22:18.760 brother. That's obvious.

01:22:19.540 I agree.

01:22:19.900 I completely agree.

01:22:20.500 Don't fight that. That is terrible. It's murder.

01:22:22.340 I'm not saying that specific incident is the moral dilemma. I'm saying the entirety of the

01:22:25.900 circumstance brings us to a bunch of serious questions that must be answered that have not

01:22:30.220 been.

01:22:30.560 No, I think it's... Look, I'll tell you, Tim, to the average guy, it sounds like you're excusing it.

01:22:34.840 I know you're saying you're not because you're putting in the caveat that the nine minutes was

01:22:37.960 wrong and it was murder. But don't get into it because if you want to talk about nuance,

01:22:42.920 there's a thousand cop videos where they drag him out of the car and you could say,

01:22:46.680 no, that's totally okay. That guy's on speed. He was causing a significant issue where people

01:22:54.380 might've gotten hurt and the cops had to subdue him. Make the argument in that case. If you make

01:22:58.820 it about George Floyd, everybody's going to think you're defending this racist guy who murdered that

01:23:03.800 guy.

01:23:04.160 I don't care what people think about me if I'm trying to find a solution so this doesn't happen again.

01:23:07.640 And so if the issue is guy behind a guy who's counterfeit $20 bill resulting in a police call,

01:23:14.000 police find him behind the wheel of an SUV chewing on hard drugs. He's removed from the vehicle. He

01:23:19.140 sat down. Eventually they moved to arrest him. George Floyd becomes combative, says, take me out

01:23:23.740 of the car. Take me out of the car. I can't breathe. Put me on the ground. Put me on the ground. Put

01:23:26.400 me on the ground. Chauvin arrives after this, kneels on his neck. Those are the circumstances of what

01:23:31.760 happened. Crowd forms. They're mad at it. George Floyd dies. Nine minutes. The questions are,

01:23:36.680 where, where was the point at which this, this should have stopped? Uh, should it have just,

01:23:41.340 why is that not super easy? The point it should have stopped is he should never put his knee on

01:23:46.940 the guy's neck. They have training for it. And so then, well, that's the training is wrong.

01:23:50.740 Exactly. And then the question, the answer becomes, we, we dissect this. We say, okay,

01:23:54.440 here's the point of failure. And so when you, uh, the problem is when you outright dismiss it and say

01:23:59.700 you're racist, if you question it, you're siding with the racist guy. If people want to say that,

01:24:03.420 that's fine. I don't care. It doesn't solve the problem.

01:24:04.800 But Tim, you're purposely picking the worst case to talk about. Cause it gets it like my honest

01:24:10.500 opinion. Sorry, but it's because you know that it's going to get more attention. If you say it

01:24:14.480 in the context of George Floyd, let's talk about Ahmed Arbery. Okay. I mean, these are the high

01:24:17.600 profile stories that I'm in Arbery, the guy who got shot, uh, jogging in the neighborhood is I,

01:24:22.140 I think jogging is a, is a representation of your misinformation or your, your, your influence of

01:24:26.800 the issue. Tim, are you going to, are you going to, are you going to people think you're a radical

01:24:31.560 right winger? That's fine. But if you don't know, why would you make the argument? So what do you

01:24:36.120 mean? I don't know. I know the case, the guy, they, the two redneck racist sons of bitches who

01:24:41.100 murdered him said that he was in, uh, the, the house that was being built, which by the way,

01:24:46.680 apparently tons of people had come by to say, Hey, how's the construction going? Right. So do they

01:24:51.480 know that he was one of the, how's the construction going? Well, they don't know anything

01:24:54.820 because he didn't steal anything, but you're wrong. So, but they see a black guy at a construction

01:24:59.460 site and they're like, let's chase that son of a bitch down and shoot him. I don't care what

01:25:03.260 people think of me. If I'm following the facts to try and figure out what happened and try and

01:25:06.480 solve the problem. But you have already shown you don't know the case. Yeah. Yeah. That's total

01:25:10.840 horse crap. Go ahead. Defend the racist guys who murdered him. Go ahead. How about I just describe

01:25:14.800 what happened? Okay. Yeah, go ahead. So a few weeks before the incident, a gun is stolen.

01:25:19.400 So, but not by that guy, but Hey, the racist thought it must be the black guy. How about

01:25:23.640 the police then show a picture of him to various people in the neighborhood saying,

01:25:27.580 this is our suspect of the burglaries that have been happening over the past several weeks,

01:25:30.800 except it wasn't right. No, I, I'm at Arbery. He was the suspect.

01:25:35.360 I'd have, I never saw that. And that's, that's my point. You didn't. Okay. So I don't believe,

01:25:40.380 a, I don't believe you B. I never saw it. Uh, see, uh, there's, uh, you see the problem.

01:25:46.100 No, no, they didn't follow the case. Okay. I'm not making a more. So wait, wait, wait,

01:25:50.840 so let's say, let's take your bullshit facts. Uh, so-called facts. Let's accept them as true.

01:25:55.900 Okay. So they show me a picture. Please come by my house and show me a picture of a black guy.

01:26:00.580 And they say, this might be a suspect in a robbery. If I see him, I'm not going to chase him

01:26:04.900 down with a gun. Cause that means that there's a high chance that we're going to get into a conflict

01:26:09.600 and someone's going to die. That's a lunatic thing to do. Why did the guy, the second thing I'm not

01:26:14.700 going to do is look at any black guy in the neighborhood and go, I bet that's him, man.

01:26:18.620 Let's go grab our shotguns. But I, but I don't disagree. Okay. Why did the guy who filmed it go

01:26:23.700 to prison? I think that there, what they stated in that case was that he helped to chase the guy

01:26:30.340 down. It wasn't the filming. That was the issue. It was that he helped to corner the guy in his car

01:26:35.520 as well. And that's why he was an accomplice. So he didn't coordinate with them anyway. He saw the

01:26:41.260 McMichaels chase after him. And so he said, I got to film this. He then gave the footage out,

01:26:45.960 which showed what happened and resulted in the criminal charges, but they locked him up too.

01:26:50.360 If it were not, he's an accomplice brother. So I read the stories about how he worked with those

01:26:55.660 guys. He agreed with those guys. So like, so if he, if he was just a random neighbor that shot it out

01:27:01.760 of his window, why would he go to prison? Of course he shouldn't go to prison, right?

01:27:05.520 That's the point. He didn't coordinate with them in any way.

01:27:08.000 So yet now you're nitpicking the prosecution in that particular case about the guy who shot the

01:27:13.640 video, but why are you like going out of your way to defend the most racist murderers in America?

01:27:20.120 Then, then you shouldn't be wonder why people think you're an extreme right winger, Tim. I'm

01:27:24.000 keeping it real with you.

01:27:24.880 I don't know who these guys are. I don't know anything about them.

01:27:27.120 You don't think that they're racist when they just chase down a black guy in the neighborhood

01:27:31.260 and pull a shotgun on him. He's not even armed. And then they murder him in cold blood. And you

01:27:37.200 don't think that's racist? You see, what is your line for racism then? Okay. Uh, if there's a

01:27:43.840 suspect in a crime and the police say, this is who we think he is, then you believe this man may

01:27:50.800 have actually stolen the gun out of my truck. He may be armed. The police told the McMichaels not

01:27:55.300 to pursue. They should not have eight logical jumps. Like what? Like what? There was a guy who

01:27:59.460 was in the neighborhood. The cops show me a black guy's picture. Then maybe he took something out of

01:28:05.540 my car. Now I'm like way out. You're making a mistake. Oh, here comes a black guy in their

01:28:10.220 neighborhood. Maybe he was the guy, but maybe my truck and maybe, maybe let's go chase him down

01:28:15.680 with a shotgun. I didn't say that I should chase down anybody else in the neighborhood with a

01:28:19.260 shotgun. Oh, look, there's a black guy. Let's go chase him down. I didn't say they were right to

01:28:22.460 do it. Okay. All right. Then why are you bothering defending them? I don't get it. You've taken

01:28:26.520 unless you're trying to get attention of all the right wingers who go, huh? That wasn't so bad.

01:28:31.460 It wasn't. Hey, Tim Pool's defending us. Do you remember the Covington Catholic kids?

01:28:36.080 Remind me. The kid on the steps of the Lincoln. Yeah. Yeah. And they knew when he caught the

01:28:39.860 feelings and sued everybody and cried like a baby. And how many people accused that kid of wrongdoing

01:28:44.560 when it turns out he was actually confronted by Nathan Phillips and not the other way around?

01:28:48.940 We never made that mistake. And if you get something wrong, you just say it. Because facts

01:28:54.440 matter, right? Absolutely. So when it comes to the case like Ahmaud Arbery or many of these

01:28:58.480 others or Breonna Taylor, I'm not going to start making declarative statements about the personal

01:29:04.280 opinions of people I've never met and don't know anything about. I'm going to try and understand

01:29:07.500 what the argument from the prosecution was. And guess what? The prosecution did not dispute that

01:29:11.920 Ahmaud Arbery was a suspect in the felony burglaries. The prosecution argued. I don't care.

01:29:17.920 Well, that's the point. No, I care about. I'll tell you why I don't care. So it's not just like

01:29:22.180 I'm being flippant, right? It's because every time a black man is killed by either authorities

01:29:27.900 or vigilantes in like in the Ahmaud Arbery case, what right-wingers do is, did you know that back

01:29:33.940 in seventh grade, he was once tardy? And we heard that in eighth grade, he was smoking marijuana.

01:29:39.300 He was evil and had it coming. Did you know George Floyd might've stolen 20 whole dollars?

01:29:44.820 Oh my God. These black people, they're so evil. Did you know that Trayvon Martin,

01:29:49.680 it was, it was caught in school, maybe smoking pot. And that's why Zimmerman had to murder him in

01:29:56.480 cold blood. He had it coming. He had it coming. So I can understand if conservatives and right-wingers

01:30:02.140 have done that. And so you're just frustrated and don't want to hear it, but I'm not doing that.

01:30:06.540 It's, but it's in the Ahmaud Arbery case and the George Floyd case, you're taking the most extreme

01:30:11.940 cases with the most clear racism, with the most clear murders, and you're trying to nuance it.

01:30:18.440 And what I'm telling you, Tim, and what has made me uncomfortable in the past about you,

01:30:22.900 which is what I was trying to get past, is that that attracts a huge right-wing audience

01:30:28.140 because they want somebody to excuse the death of Ahmaud Arbery and George Floyd. And when you

01:30:33.700 seem to excuse it with your nuance, then they go, yes, finally, somebody's sticking up for white

01:30:39.880 people, killing black people. Come on, don't tell me there aren't people in your audience that think

01:30:44.080 that. There's tons of people who think that. So let's, I'll give you another example. Uh,

01:30:48.780 you were critical of me over my statements about January 6th, which I believe you took out of

01:30:52.660 context. Okay, go ahead. So I made the point that trespass charges require an initial warning to

01:30:57.860 anybody who's going to be charged, right? You can't, uh, allow someone to enter a public building.

01:31:02.880 But then, but then if you just look at a right-wing in the wrong way, they can blast you with their

01:31:06.940 shotgun. You think that the guys like, so the, all the guys who are stand your ground,

01:31:12.060 so I'm standing my ground, man. Are they giving warnings? They never give warnings. They just

01:31:16.460 blast away. In West Virginia, you cannot just shoot and kill a person. I know, but you can in

01:31:21.440 a lot of States. No, you can't. In Florida, you have the flimsiest excuse will give you

01:31:26.120 your ground, but the excuse has to be fear of bodily harm. It's not just someone trespassed,

01:31:30.200 right? So my point with January 6th was this. My statement was, I'm not sure if you're familiar,

01:31:34.380 but there's videos of police opening the doors for people, letting them in and taking

01:31:37.400 right-wing cops who are like, go get them. Absolutely. And my argument was there's

01:31:41.520 different entrances to the building. The people who are violent and riding should be charged.

01:31:45.440 They will be charged and they should, they should go to jail. Uh, to what degree? I mean,

01:31:49.400 there's a debate on the, on the timeframe. I'm 20 years is probably a bit excessive

01:31:52.020 on the other side of the building. There's a video of the police opening the doors to a calm

01:31:55.960 group of people walking in and waving to the cops who say explicitly, I don't agree with it,

01:32:00.740 but I support it. I support your right to it or something that affect. And I said,

01:32:04.380 those people are going to get acquitted because you can't allow someone into a building to claim

01:32:08.580 it's trespassing. You made the argument that Tim pool said they're stepping over broken glass and

01:32:13.660 didn't know they were trespassing. I didn't. And it turns out I was correct. Several of these people

01:32:17.680 have already been totally acquitted or partially acquitted due to this fact. Okay. So again, Tim,

01:32:24.140 like January 6th is different than the two cases we were talking about. January 6th, I think is way

01:32:28.580 more complicated. And I might surprise you with some of my opinions on that in a second. Uh, but if I got,

01:32:33.980 if I got your description of that wrong, then my bad. Okay. And so like if, but again, you're like,

01:32:40.620 no, that one's too complicated. You're allowed. There's plenty of nuance there. Right. And so if

01:32:46.560 you're saying those particular guys should be acquitted because they were actually let into

01:32:49.500 the building, I agree with you. The cops should be charged. Yeah. And so, although it's hilarious

01:32:54.440 that there are some right-wingers. And again, whenever I say right-wingers guys don't catch feelings,

01:32:58.620 it doesn't necessarily mean you, I don't mean just you Tim, I'm in the audience, right? It could

01:33:03.740 mean that there are other people in the right-wing who feel that way, but I'm a left-winger and I'm

01:33:07.680 just, I've told you a hundred times about extreme left-wingers. I don't agree with. Okay. So in the

01:33:11.960 case of, of the right-wing being absurd on January 6th is right-wing cops, let the guys into the

01:33:18.720 building. And then the right-wing goes, yeah. And, and the, and then the right-wingers go deep

01:33:24.140 state left-wingers. No guys. Yeah. That's not deep state left-wing. It's just the right-wing cop

01:33:29.140 letting right-wing protesters in. And people were saying they're Antifa because they're wearing

01:33:32.580 hoodies. And I'm like, those are just right-wing guys wearing hoodies. Yeah. It's just right-wing

01:33:35.780 guys wearing hoodies. Okay. So when it comes to these other stories, you get very angry.

01:33:39.860 Let me do the nuance on January 6th. So, and it relates to the George Floyd riots.

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01:35:12.520 So, you know, Martin Luther King famously said, riots are the voice of the unheard, right? And

01:35:18.180 I think that there's, that's definitely true in what happened after George Floyd, but I also think

01:35:23.840 that there's some truth to that when it comes to January 6th, which you'll never hear anybody on

01:35:27.740 the left wing say. Okay. And so I'm not, uh, 1% excusing the hang Mike Pence chance. And I think

01:35:34.780 those guys are super dangerous. And I've talked about it before. I'll talk about it 2000 times

01:35:39.340 after, but for a lot of the right wing. So first of all, the guys on the ground were not, they did

01:35:46.880 not, other than the leaders, uh, they did not know that they were a plot to overthrow the American

01:35:52.620 government. I think they were, and I'll explain why, but they didn't know that.

01:35:56.960 You think there was a plot to overthrow? Yeah. Oh, definitely. And so we'll get into that in a

01:36:00.680 sec. Uh, but the guys on the ground didn't know that they're just fodder. Okay. And so they're

01:36:06.160 super frustrated. So here's what the establishment and the Democrats don't understand about that

01:36:10.840 frustration. It's because you guys keep lying to them. The mainstream media does and keeps telling

01:36:16.580 them, no, these politicians are honorable people and they're having legitimate debates. And let's find

01:36:22.980 out what Lindsey Graham's opinion is. And let's find out what Joe Manchin's opinion is.

01:36:26.960 Their opinion is who wrote me the biggest check. Okay. So since mainstream media lies about that 24

01:36:32.440 seven and the average right winger has the same problems as the average left winger and the average

01:36:37.600 independent in the country, which is that our wages are too low. Corporate power is run amok.

01:36:43.680 Big business in cahoots with big government is crushing our lives. So their voice is unheard.

01:36:51.300 And so they're in a rage. Now Trump then takes their rage and misdirects it. But I understand the

01:36:59.100 rage. And I understand that sometimes riots happen when you, your voice is unheard both on the left,

01:37:05.460 the right, the white and black. So I'm incredibly consistent on that. Now, why do I think there was

01:37:11.540 an actual coup attempt? Cause the coup is not the right. It's not like they were going to take

01:37:15.700 the capital and keep it. And then we were all going to be like, Oh, I guess the right wing has

01:37:20.840 it now. Once you're in the building, you have the power. Right. I guess the oath keepers are now,

01:37:24.980 this is the secretary of state, the proud boy guys, the secretary, the treasury secretary. No,

01:37:30.640 no, no, no. But here's, he was, here was their role that they didn't know they were playing.

01:37:35.540 Right. So guys like Peter Navarro wrote a book about it. Steve Bannon brags about it all the time.

01:37:41.000 Eastman, Cheeseboro, all those guys who are charged now in Atlanta wrote memos about it. One of the

01:37:46.980 memos was called the fraudulent elector memo. And so the plan was we get a bunch of fake and Sidney

01:37:53.540 Powell accidentally admitted all the way back in November on Lou Dobbs show. The plan is you get a

01:37:58.440 bunch of, now they wouldn't say fake electors. They would say Trump electors, but they're not even

01:38:03.300 technically the Trump electors because you have a slate of electors for both candidates, right?

01:38:08.480 But the slate of electors for Trump would not go along with the coup attempt. So they had to find

01:38:13.000 new random Republicans in the swing States. And they even did it in New Mexico, which was not even

01:38:19.020 close. Right. And, and these were the fake electors. And so the plan was delay the proceedings so that

01:38:26.840 they cannot certify the vote. Plan A was have Pence say, I'm not certifying the vote, but Pence

01:38:32.940 wouldn't do the unconstitutional thing. And he deserves enormous credit for that. And he nearly got

01:38:37.780 murdered for that. Okay. I mean, that is a Republican that had significant courage and I don't think

01:38:44.040 he's ever really gotten the credit he deserves for that. Now you could disagree with Pence on everything

01:38:48.400 else. And I do, right. But I give him credit where credit is due. So he was supposed to delay the

01:38:52.800 proceedings. He refuses to do it. Trump is in a rage. Instead, they get the guys to bum rush the

01:38:57.960 building so that it delays the proceedings. The next part of that plan was then the Republicans

01:39:03.060 are supposed to go in and go, well, I can't tell who won. We had, there's no certification.

01:39:08.560 We're going to bring it back to the States. And then at the, at that point, the swing States had

01:39:13.320 Republican legislatures. And so the Republicans in the legislatures were supposed to go, we now

01:39:19.240 install the fake electors. Okay. But, and that's a coup attempt knowing that you lost the

01:39:24.820 goddamn election. It's, it's actually simpler than that. They don't need to go to the state

01:39:28.100 legislatures. It would be the house delegations.

01:39:29.980 No, that's the last part of the steps. When the state legislatures say that Trump won,

01:39:34.120 when they know he didn't win, by the way, more credit to Republicans in a second, when they say

01:39:38.140 he didn't, they say he won when he didn't, it then goes back to the house because then it becomes

01:39:43.000 an open question, a political question that the house has to decide. And the house, even though

01:39:48.100 there was more Democrats at the time, they vote by state and the Republicans had more states.

01:39:53.200 So it was actually, if you're going to do a coup, it is a logical coup plan. And they,

01:39:59.260 and they discussed other coup plans. Michael Flynn proposed rolling out the tanks and doing

01:40:03.980 martial law. They had a three hour conversation about it. Now let me give credit to courageous

01:40:08.940 Republicans, even Trump administration guys who I despise everyone. The reason Trump didn't roll

01:40:15.020 out the tanks is because everyone in his administration that was in the room said, we will all resign

01:40:19.620 immediately. If you roll out tanks against the American people. Okay. So, so credit to those

01:40:25.400 Trump administration people. And then the state legislatures filled with what I think are radical

01:40:30.400 right-wingers. Most, the great majority of them said, no, we're not going to do the fake electors.

01:40:36.020 And they deserve a lot of credit for that.

01:40:37.640 Are you familiar with Texas v. Pennsylvania? It was the original jurisdiction lawsuit between Texas

01:40:43.380 and Pennsylvania, arguing that several states violated the constitution by altering the rules

01:40:48.340 of the election, not at the legislative level, but through the judiciary and the executive branches.

01:40:53.180 And so Texas's argument was, if Pennsylvania is acting in violation of the constitution,

01:40:58.040 it's subverting our vote in this process. And we want the Supreme court to, to rule on this.

01:41:03.340 Okay. And how did it turn out for the Supreme court refused to even hear the case.

01:41:06.540 Yeah. So this is, this is a problem. This is what actually ignites fervor and, and gets,

01:41:12.340 expands the conflict. Thomas and Alito agreed that when a state has a dispute with another state

01:41:17.880 as per the constitution, it original jurisdiction means they must hear it. But the other justices

01:41:22.940 just said, no, we won't. And so what ends up happening is the case expanded to include, I think,

01:41:28.080 48 states with like 24 versus 24 or whatever, or it was like 23, 25, where half the states were saying,

01:41:35.040 you know, we've got five or six states that have altered the rules of the election,

01:41:39.800 but the constitution explicitly states, the legislation must handle how the elections are

01:41:44.480 handled. So if a governor in a change of the rules or a judiciary rules on it, it's not gone

01:41:50.100 to the legislature yet. The legislative branch must then like, they have to vote on it.

01:41:54.400 So Tim, you know, they can bring that suit. There's no problem with that.

01:41:57.400 They were all thrown out. They know. So my point is this, my point is this,

01:42:00.200 if you've got people who are saying, how come the rules were changed in Pennsylvania,

01:42:04.380 the lower court agreed that it violated the state constitution, but the higher court said,

01:42:10.060 we're going to do it anyway. We believe it's acceptable. So then you have people across the

01:42:14.340 country saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. If we're all agreeing to vote in this process,

01:42:17.960 and this, this state's even disputing amongst themselves, we need this adjudicated. And they

01:42:21.900 said, no, then what do you get? The language of the unheard.

01:42:25.020 Yeah. So Tim, there's two different things here. So let's separate them out because it's

01:42:28.760 really important. There's, did Trump actually win that case was litigated over 60 times and he

01:42:35.100 presented his, him and his side allies presented zero evidence. How many of those cases were

01:42:40.020 dismissed on standing versus merit? A bunch of them, but a huge number of them decided on the

01:42:46.480 merits. That's not true. Oh, come on, Tim. Come on, Tim. And then in all the ones that they,

01:42:51.540 that decided on the merits, how come the Trump side never presented any evidence?

01:42:55.660 I guess it depends on the specific cases, right? No, it doesn't depend. They have no evidence.

01:43:01.200 If we're talking in one case, Rudy Giuliani had to admit because he's a lawyer, he's going to get

01:43:05.220 disbarred if he lies in court and you could lie at a press conference 24 seven, but once you're

01:43:09.400 inside court and they said, Mr. Giuliani, do you have any evidence to show that the election was

01:43:13.080 stolen? And he's like, no, because they don't have any evidence, but I lying, but I lying the whole

01:43:17.760 time. I agree. The election was not stolen or it depends on how you define stolen, I guess.

01:43:21.820 Right now that you could define it stolen in a thousand ways that are BS,

01:43:25.100 yes, but some, no, it was not stolen. Some people argue that Pennsylvania changing its

01:43:29.100 voting laws in violation of the constitution is stealing an election. No, that's a nonsense

01:43:32.660 argument. So, okay. So no, it's no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's super important. It's super

01:43:37.540 important. Cause I don't want the right wing thinking that it was like, Oh, fraudulent election

01:43:42.560 and the Hugo Chavez or the ghost of Hugo Chavez and a Kraken and a mule went in and changed

01:43:48.000 the votes. No one changed the votes period. And so because Trump and Fox news and Newsmax lie about

01:43:56.080 a 24 goddamn seven and, and Fox news had to pay $800 million for their lies. People think that the

01:44:04.220 election was stolen when it wasn't, you know, what election was stolen. And then I'll tell you that,

01:44:08.280 that the reaction that happened instead, when it happened to the left wing 2000 brazenly stolen

01:44:14.280 from Al Gore. So let me explain the details and then I'll relate it back to today. Okay. So Al Gore

01:44:21.060 not only won the popular vote and nobody disputes that, but it, after the case was over and the

01:44:26.480 election was over, uh, all the news organizations, uh, went in and did a recount of the entire state of

01:44:34.280 Florida. And under every kind of way of counting Al Gore won the state of Florida. So he got flat out

01:44:43.940 robbed. He won the electoral college as well. But the Supreme court in that case said, no,

01:44:50.280 I don't care what Florida laws. I don't care that we've been making an argument for state's rights

01:44:55.300 our whole lives. That liar Scalia, that piece of crap hypocrite was like, oh yeah, did I say

01:45:02.180 state's rights for decades? I mean, screw state's rights. You know what I'm saying? States don't have

01:45:06.280 any goddamn rights. And they ordered Florida to stop the recount. They said, we don't want to know

01:45:13.180 who won because then we might find out Al Gore won. We don't want Al Gore winning. We just want to

01:45:17.860 steal this goddamn election and give it to our buddy, George Bush. And they outright stole it. Okay. Now,

01:45:24.940 having said that Supreme court rules, the Supreme court rules, we move on. Okay. Nobody rioted.

01:45:32.340 The Democrats haven't been crying about that. Like, oh no, Al Gore should have been the president.

01:45:37.740 Al Gore is actually the current president. It said, they let it go. It was a great injustice.

01:45:43.620 And we noted for the history books and I noted as an example here, but we let it go. We didn't go

01:45:49.320 around going, no, Al Gore's still the president and losing the goddamn minds that I see with the right.

01:45:55.240 But in 2016, they did. No, they didn't. See, I'm glad you're bringing that up. See,

01:45:59.760 that's another super important distinction because Hillary Clinton whined about losing the election

01:46:04.220 in 2000 ways. Oh, it was the Russians. It was my dog ate my homework. The steel dossier,

01:46:09.580 steel dossier, the, the Bernie bros did it, blah, blah, blah, blah, because she didn't want to accept

01:46:14.580 responsibility. And the establishment media didn't want to accept responsibility because they all loved

01:46:19.900 Hillary Clinton. They all hated Bernie Sanders. They all hated Donald Trump. Uh, they hated anyone who

01:46:25.420 wasn't the establishment. Hillary Clinton is the epicenter of the establishment. So they couldn't

01:46:30.040 live with the fact that they were preposterously wrong. You know, the, what got under their skin

01:46:33.680 the most me, because I told them, Hey, you idiots, Hillary Clinton is going to lose, right? And Bernie

01:46:40.700 Sanders has a 12 point lead on Donald Trump. You morons. Right. And they're like, no, I think the

01:46:46.260 establishment is correct. I think America loves the establishment.

01:46:49.200 But you know what it really was is that to them, Bernie and Trump are effectively the same thing.

01:46:53.220 Of course. Actually, they fear Bernie way more than they fear Trump. Probably. Yeah. And the

01:46:57.300 reason is because Trump's full of crap. He's only in it for himself. Whereas Bernie actually would

01:47:01.720 change the system. And so when they know that Bernie would change the system, they're like, ah,

01:47:06.580 anything but Bernie, shut his ass out. Don't give him any media coverage. Don't let him do debates,

01:47:12.280 put the debates up against the Superbowl, do anything you can to make sure you don't, you silence

01:47:16.760 Bernie. Oh, Trump, he could be allowed on TV all day long. Oh, let's have fun. Oh, let's see. What's the

01:47:21.240 major proposal of Donald Trump back in 2016? Oh, a lot of shouting about the wall and immigrants,

01:47:26.500 et cetera. But what's the only thing that Trump did? Giant tax cuts for the rich and for corporations.

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01:49:00.120 Trump, up until that bill passed, I swear to God, you watch all Young Turks clips and I say,

01:49:04.940 they're not going to turn on him until this giant tax cut for the rich passes.

01:49:09.400 Well, you know what really got him positive press? When he bombed Syria.

01:49:13.220 Yeah. And then he bombed Syria and they're like, yes, right?

01:49:16.720 Now he's a president.

01:49:17.940 So yeah, they turn on him later when he does anti-establishment stuff,

01:49:21.520 but he's not doing anti-establishment stuff for the average voter.

01:49:25.220 Yeah. He tried to play ball. He loves stoners.

01:49:27.520 He took his super PACs took a hundred million dollars from Sheldon Adelson twice.

01:49:31.980 Yeah. Sheldon Adelson.

01:49:32.580 John Bolton.

01:49:33.240 Yeah.

01:49:33.500 He brings him in.

01:49:34.080 He brings in John Bolton, who's a warmonger and a neocon. Sheldon Adelson owns casinos in Vegas,

01:49:39.900 but he mainly owns casinos in Macau. So Trump did like half a dozen giant favors for him,

01:49:46.600 but the biggest favor was, two biggest favors were, he basically dismissed corruption charges

01:49:51.760 in China against them. And he allowed him to bring his money back from China. Instead of a 35%,

01:49:58.260 he created a special rate of 8% for repatriating taxes from a foreign country.

01:50:03.500 So a guy who he's deceased now, but back then a guy who had his main line of business in China

01:50:11.320 had bought the U S president. He gave him a hundred million dollars, two different times

01:50:17.520 and totally bought him. And Donald Trump was 100% his bitch. His bitch so much that not only did he

01:50:24.840 give him every single thing that he asked for, but he also made his wife, he gave him that he gave her

01:50:30.620 a presidential medal of honor. It's the highest honor America has. And he threw it in like a

01:50:35.720 tchotchke. Like, Oh yeah. If you act now, Sheldon, I'll also take your rando wife and give her a

01:50:41.300 presidential medal. Okay. Of, of honor. And he's like, Sheldon's like, Oh, I was going to go 90

01:50:46.000 million, but I'll go the whole hundred. Okay. And so he purchased Donald Trump. He's like,

01:50:51.140 as just as corrupt as anyone else. He's just corrupt on his own behalf, but Bernie, he's not

01:50:55.640 corrupt. So that's why the establishment is like Trump. We can deal with what's with Trump's new

01:50:59.640 proposal. Now cut corporate taxes from 21 to 15. He's still blowing corporations to this day.

01:51:06.340 Donald Trump has wanted to be part of the club for his whole life. He's a spoiled little kid.

01:51:11.920 He never knew how to run his dad's money. He lost all his money. Everybody in New York laughed at him

01:51:16.800 and that made him so bitter. So he's just in it for himself. Who do you think we'd be better off

01:51:21.680 with today? Biden or Trump? You think Biden? Oh, definitely Biden. I'll tell you why in a sec,

01:51:26.120 but just to finish the earlier thoughts. So for all of Hillary Clinton's whining, she never said the

01:51:31.100 election that there was fraud in the voting, that the election was stolen from me through the

01:51:36.080 fraud in the voting and it's an illegitimate election and I should be president.

01:51:40.080 She said Russia manipulated the votes.

01:51:41.500 Yeah, but she didn't say I should be president. She didn't. And she didn't say, no, no, no. She

01:51:46.120 didn't say manipulate the votes themselves. She said, manipulate the media.

01:51:49.220 She said it could be stolen from you. Yeah, but she didn't say me, but we know what she means when

01:51:54.760 she said it. But Tim, did she ever say, hey, no, he Trump didn't actually win the election. I'm the

01:52:00.960 actual president. Well, she said it was. She never said that. She never, ever, ever, ever,

01:52:05.520 ever said that. I'm the actual president? No. Whereas that dumbass Donald Trump has been

01:52:10.840 pretending he won this entire time. Hillary Clinton was bitter about the loss, but she never made the

01:52:17.040 claim legally or otherwise. Hey, look, Tim, it's a super easy thing. First of all, you can look it

01:52:21.520 up, right? And yeah, I know the line, guys. But that doesn't say the election is fraudulent. I'm

01:52:29.120 the actual president. She's, here's an analogy to that line. So here's an analogy to that line,

01:52:35.520 even though Bernie never said it, but his supporters said it. So the primary was in 2016

01:52:41.940 was quote unquote rigged against Bernie Sanders. Okay. Now, how was it rigged? Because it's very

01:52:47.740 important. So it was rigged in that they did as few debates as possible. They put the debates on like

01:52:53.960 the, when people would least watch them, they try to take the oxygen out of the room for Bernie.

01:53:00.360 And then they, if you remember, we broke the story of young Turks that Donna Brazil took questions and

01:53:05.340 fed them to Hillary Clinton in the debates. And, and then, oh, and then a huge part of it was they

01:53:12.060 did a money laundering operation where these huge democratic donors would give to the states and the

01:53:17.420 state parties would then funnel it into Hillary Clinton's campaign. So when, if you say that election,

01:53:22.420 that primary election was rigged in that way, okay, that's fair. Okay. But if you say the votes

01:53:29.280 were actually messed with, and a lot of Bernie supporters at the time said that, and we at the

01:53:34.860 young Turks came out and said, no guys, you don't have any, no, superdelegates is a different

01:53:39.020 conversation. I know, but like it's rigged against Bernie. So, so, but guys understand how the

01:53:43.700 mainstream media rigs things because they rig things against the left and the right. Okay. So it's

01:53:48.480 important that you understand how they do it. So in that case, it, what they did was the superdelegates

01:53:54.260 technically actually vote at the end of the process. And oftentimes, even if they declare

01:53:59.420 earlier, they switch their votes. So for example, a lot of superdelegates said that they were going

01:54:04.820 to support Hillary in 2008, but in the middle of the campaign, they switched to Obama. And none of

01:54:11.540 that was technical only at the end, do they vote, they'll do the superdelegates vote. But what the

01:54:17.880 media did instead in 2016 was they showed the superdelegate count in every tabulation right from

01:54:26.740 the get-go. So they'd be like, Hillary Clinton has a 468 to nothing lead on Bernie Sanders. This

01:54:32.560 thing's almost over. You're like, wait a minute, nobody's even voted, including the superdelegates.

01:54:37.500 You're just saying that those superdelegates declared for Hillary as a way of saying this

01:54:42.900 thing's already over. Hillary Clinton's already won. So they're manipulating the voters into

01:54:48.060 thinking that Bernie Sanders is doing a long shot campaign that is hopeless. And he's just a piece

01:54:53.260 of crap who's trying to hurt the actual democratic nominee when these beloved superdelegates have

01:54:58.220 already weighed in, right? Yeah. And so it is a fundamental deception and mainstream media does that

01:55:04.820 all the time, but it is not rigging the actual votes. And so that's where we drew the line and

01:55:11.580 said, you don't have evidence of any votes being switched from Bernie Sanders to Hillary Clinton.

01:55:17.400 A large portion of Democrats did believe that the Russians actually went in and flipped votes,

01:55:22.360 literally. I never saw anyone saying that on television. No, I'm not. I'm saying that there

01:55:27.080 were several polls done where they asked voters, do you? Yeah. And if the voters were misled by

01:55:30.680 Hillary's over the top statements, then that's a shame on Hillary Clinton. But it is, but you can

01:55:36.480 see it is fundamentally different because I'll tell you right now, there's people in your audience

01:55:40.240 who are screaming at their screens right now going, no, it was actually stolen. They rigged the vote,

01:55:45.840 Smartmatic and Dominion and the mules. And I saw Dinesh D'Souza propaganda piece. I mean, movie

01:55:51.160 that convinced me that the votes were actually stolen. No, none of it was stolen. None of it never.

01:55:56.040 And here, I can prove it now ahead of time. So Tim, you're being reasonable and saying,

01:56:01.580 no, it was not actually stolen. I've never said it was stolen. Okay, good. Okay. So that is factual.

01:56:06.120 But you know, they lie. These NGOs run fake stories. You had this one group out of Stanford argue

01:56:12.020 that I'm one of the super spreaders of election misinformation or whatever. When since Joe Biden

01:56:17.340 won, I was like, guys, this is not true. Trump is not going to be reinstated. There are no

01:56:21.520 Dominion weird switching. There's no German servers, but they just pump out lies in the

01:56:26.660 media saying I claimed it anyway. Yeah. So now the thing that I'll tell the right wingers that

01:56:32.520 still believe Trump's lie is, all right, guys, you have a perfect opportunity because when Trump

01:56:38.200 goes to court in Atlanta and in the federal case on the actual election issues, so not the national

01:56:46.600 documents and not the fraud in New York, but the ones that are actually about January 6th,

01:56:52.000 right? He can win those cases very easily because the core of the cases is they have to prove that

01:56:58.860 Donald Trump not only lied about the election results, but knew that he was lying. Okay. So,

01:57:04.480 but the good news is the defense of that is I wasn't lying. It's true. The election was stolen.

01:57:09.380 Here's the proof. Here's the proof. Yeah. So, and in fact, if you're a Donald Trump supporter and

01:57:13.200 you really think the election was stolen, if Donald Trump does not present that evidence when it would

01:57:17.720 free him and it would liberate him and it would prove you right after all these years, then you

01:57:22.840 have to be livid at Donald Trump, right? Oh, I mean, we've been talking about this for a while too.

01:57:26.640 Like there are a lot of Trump supporters who are like, ha ha, they made a big mistake. Now Trump's

01:57:32.000 going to be able to get the evidence adjudicated because they were dismissed before, but now they

01:57:36.760 have to bring it in court. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, let's see it. If the argument is

01:57:40.940 you're upset with a procedure like Texas v. Pennsylvania, I agree. We can have, we should

01:57:44.820 have that argument over procedure, but this idea that, uh, you know, I keep hearing this one where

01:57:49.320 they say they pull votes out from under the table and started counting. And I was like, uh-huh. And

01:57:53.580 if you watch the full surveillance video, you can watch them put the votes there too.

01:57:56.640 Yeah. It's just votes. You can watch the votes come in, get placed in the box, put into the table.

01:58:00.080 At the end of the day, they then pull them out and start counting them. There is a video of a woman

01:58:03.400 running the votes twice. There's a question of whether or not it was, were the votes rejected from the

01:58:07.440 machine? So she had to run them twice or was she trying to count votes twice?

01:58:10.080 And if that's the case, how is it possible to run the same vote more than once? They should,

01:58:14.380 they should be serialized or something. But those are things I think are worth having a conversation

01:58:17.780 about. But so first of all, I'm not getting into any of that nonsense about the votes, but,

01:58:23.720 but in terms of Texas, Pennsylvania, um, look guys, there's challenges that come, uh, in any

01:58:30.260 election and it's very normal. And sometimes the Supreme court takes the challenge. Sometimes they

01:58:34.980 don't. And sometimes they rule in an outrageous way as they did in Bush v. Gore. By the way,

01:58:39.520 the Supreme court has ruled in many outrageous ways. They've ruled in citizens United, that human,

01:58:43.820 that corporations are human beings and have even more rights than human beings, that they are endowed

01:58:49.500 by their creator with unalienable rights. What creator? Where are their goddamn creators?

01:58:54.040 Corporations are people, my friend.

01:58:54.980 Yeah. And, and, and that corporations have freedom of speech. No, that's called a bribe. Okay.

01:59:00.420 That's what it's called. And guys, if you're a right winger, super frustrated with the establishment,

01:59:05.180 you're not wrong. The establishment keeps telling you you're wrong and you're crazy. You're not wrong,

01:59:10.260 but there is a crazy line, right? So like, so in terms of the establishment, they frame everything

01:59:17.680 as if the status quo is great, that corporate rule is awesome and that you should get nothing

01:59:23.440 and that the rich and powerful should get everything. And, and mainstream media is one

01:59:28.160 giant corporate propaganda outlet. Okay. And so I can show you all the ways that they've screwed over

01:59:33.560 the left wing. I can show you a lot of ways they screw over the right wing. Okay. So if you're

01:59:38.040 frustrated about that and mainstream media figures keep yelling at you, you know, no, you're, you're

01:59:43.240 imagining it, man. These politicians are wonderful. And those aren't bribes. Those are just people

01:59:48.660 talking with one another. And you guys are all radicals. No, that's crap. And that's why nobody

01:59:53.580 believes mainstream media anymore. Here's, but when you jumped the shark and you come up with

01:59:57.680 conspiracy theories that aren't even remotely true, guys, all you're doing is hurting your cause.

02:00:02.580 I completely agree. And then you get people who won't vote because they think it's pointless

02:00:06.280 when they need to be voting. But I think here's where the big challenge comes. Cause I think,

02:00:10.260 uh, you know, I said this on the show when you announced you were running,

02:00:12.960 if it was between Mitt Romney and Joe Biden, I'm voting Cenk Uygur. And it's because I'm,

02:00:18.180 I'm willing to believe that you're the more likely candidate to pardon Julian Assange.

02:00:21.680 You're the more likely candidate not to bring us into psychotic foreign wars. And I can't speak for

02:00:26.680 anything else, but I'm not voting for the war machine. And so the challenge comes here.

02:00:32.300 Here's why I voted for Trump in 2020. I did not vote for Trump in 2016.

02:00:35.600 What did we get? Afghan withdrawal timeline. Okay, well, I'll take a grain of sand over a,

02:00:41.680 you know, bushel of wheat. If I can get something, uh, getting our troops out of Syria. Why were they

02:00:46.260 in Syria in the first place? I can't believe it. Uh, Donald Trump openly admitting to America's

02:00:51.080 foreign policy, uh, uh, uh, boastfully saying we're going to sell all these weapons to Saudi

02:00:56.560 Arabia, make a whole bunch of money. The bombing in Yemen, all of these horrifying things. And I'm

02:01:02.640 like, if I can get 1% out of Donald Trump in that he's going to focus more on whatever's going on in

02:01:08.620 this country. And it means we're not blowing up kids in foreign countries. It's the best candidate

02:01:11.980 I've, I've liked before me in terms of who can actually win and do something. And then I saw a bunch

02:01:15.900 people on the left, prominent people say you have to vote for Joe Biden. And I'm like, but he's going

02:01:20.560 to Hillary Clinton. This we're going to see war. We're going to look at Libya. I came, I saw he

02:01:25.820 died. It's been, it's been cast in a disaster. We're going to see American troops dying. We're

02:01:30.040 going to see conflict and chaos. And they said Trump would bring about world war three. And then

02:01:33.560 we didn't get it. We got no new wars and we actually got withdrawal timelines. I'm not saying he

02:01:37.900 did great. I'm not saying he did perfect, but he did better than anyone I'd seen in my lifetime.

02:01:41.700 Yeah. Abraham accords. I thought were fantastic. Uh, he crossed the DMZ into North Korea with no

02:01:46.700 security detail. And I'm just like, Holy wow. I'll take, I'll take it. Please just whatever,

02:01:53.600 whatever Biden has to offer. It's going to be crony BS. It's going to be warmongering. It's

02:01:58.700 going to be neoliberal, neoconservative war. Just give me whatever I can get. And now I see a lot of

02:02:04.560 these leftists who were like, Nope, we have to vote for Joe Biden. It's the only path forward. And I was

02:02:08.180 like, Oh, spare me, dude. I will take a bowl with no direction, smashing everything over,

02:02:13.260 over the neolibs over the democratic party. Yeah. So let me tell you why you're right about my

02:02:18.880 positions and, and obviously why I would be better and I'm running against them. Uh, but then I'm

02:02:23.820 going to tell you someone who could easily win that isn't me. Okay. And it's a, no, no, it's a

02:02:29.100 Republican. Okay. So, um, so first off on my positions, would I pardon Julian Assange? Of course,

02:02:36.300 that's not even a close question. They should, he should have never been hounded in the first

02:02:40.560 place. So Trump and Trump's the reason he's a Julian's in a worse position. Yeah. And so that's

02:02:45.940 exactly right. The Trump is so full of crap. It bothers me so much that people who are legitimately

02:02:51.740 angry about what mainstream media has done, what corporate politicians have done are gravitating

02:02:57.600 over towards an, another con man. Okay. So Donald Trump, why on God's green earth, wouldn't you

02:03:04.600 pardon Julian Assange? Not only is Julian Assange never did anything wrong. He's as much of a

02:03:10.560 whistleblower as anyone has ever been. Arguably helped Trump. Yeah. And then on top of that,

02:03:15.700 he arguably helped Trump. Okay. And in fact, I thought he got too political and I started to get

02:03:20.720 mad at Julian Assange, but that never changed my opinion that he should be freed immediately.

02:03:25.440 But real quick, I'll tell you why the, the, and this is speculative based on meetings that had

02:03:30.820 happened. But the general idea is Donald Trump had his people make Julian the offer. You give us

02:03:36.100 your sources on this information and you're free to go. And Julian said, never. And they said,

02:03:41.240 if we don't give it to us, we'll take it by force. And that's what's resulted in his arrest and

02:03:45.700 attradition attempts. And Tim, even if that story is true and it's your speculation, but, but I'm okay

02:03:52.680 with it. I'm okay with it. But even if that story is true, that's not, doesn't make it any better.

02:03:55.880 It makes it worse. I know. I agree. I like he should have been, he should have been pardoned

02:03:59.280 outright. Yeah. I mean, he should never have been charged. So I, and I would bring back Snowden

02:04:03.100 immediately, like Snowden and Assange are American heroes. They're whistleblowers. Although Assange is

02:04:08.940 not American. Well, I agree with Snowden, come back, no charges, but there is a distinction between

02:04:14.300 Snowden and Assange. Assange is a journalist. Yeah. We can get into that, but it's not important.

02:04:19.100 Point is that they revealed information about American wrongdoing, the government's wrongdoing,

02:04:24.900 and that is a classic whistleblower. And they try different paths to get it out otherwise. And

02:04:30.620 Assange is a journalist period. Right. Right. So, okay. So that one's easy getting us into wars

02:04:35.700 of all the candidates. There's no question that I'm the one that is most likely to avoid war

02:04:43.280 because I don't want any piece of it after defense contractors. All they do is rob us. They get our

02:04:50.120 sons and daughters killed. They kill tons of innocent civilians. And it's all, it's not about

02:04:56.820 the killing. It's about the robbery. The whole point is to execute the robbery. Right. And so now

02:05:02.480 Biden comes out with Israel's attack. It's terrible how they got attacked. We're going to get back into

02:05:07.360 that issue in a minute. But then he's like, give me $105 billion for Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan.

02:05:14.260 And the border. Don't forget. But that's because he's going for the Republicans on that one.

02:05:19.400 Yeah. $105 billion. Wait a minute. Look, I'm on the side of Ukraine, but we just authorized

02:05:25.060 like eight different multi-billion dollar packages to Ukraine. And Israel, we already give them more

02:05:33.320 money than we give anyone else. And now, unfortunately, they become the aggressors.

02:05:38.280 Taiwan, there's no war in Taiwan. Right. So no, this $105 billion is going to go straight into the

02:05:43.820 pockets of the defense contractors. Yep. And then they're going to take out a small percentage and

02:05:47.780 give it as bribes. I mean, campaign contributions to Joe Biden, Nikki Haley, almost every corporate

02:05:54.900 Republican and almost every corporate Democrat. Okay. And those guys, in order for the criminals to

02:06:00.600 make more money and to rob us even more, they'll start more wars. So there's no way in the world that

02:06:06.340 I would do that. You see Nikki Haley skyrocketing. The media is praising her. Her polls are up.

02:06:11.160 Of course. And she's on stage saying more war, more war, more war. Yeah.

02:06:13.820 Nikki Haley is the most classic corporate neocon Republican you'll ever see. I have a Republican

02:06:20.460 neighbor while walking down the street. We run into each other. I say, Hey, how's it going?

02:06:24.160 And he's like, yeah, I saw the debates and he's, he's, uh, he's still making up his mind whether

02:06:30.600 he's going to vote for Trump and he's in LA. Right. And he's holding down the fort. But I said,

02:06:35.720 how about the others? He's like, yeah, they're trying to get us to vote for Nikki Haley.

02:06:38.960 Not going to happen. Not going to happen. So, and mainstream media can't see straight because

02:06:45.140 they're in their bubble and in their bubble, people that are corporate stooges like Marco

02:06:49.680 Rubio and Hillary Clinton and Nikki Haley and Joe Biden are God's gift to humanity. They're like,

02:06:56.120 who wouldn't love Marco Rubio? He has pleasured every donor there is. He is an upstanding Republican.

02:07:04.040 Everybody who's going to vote for Marco Rubio, then nobody voted for Marco Rubio. That's the

02:07:08.020 one thing Trump and I agreed on. This is why I like Matt Gates. I mean, disagree with him on policy.

02:07:12.420 Totally fine. But he he's, he's getting, he gets grassroots contributions. He rejects the PAC money

02:07:18.680 and he's told these stories about, uh, you know, all of these people get into Congress and they're

02:07:24.120 enjoying the parties. The big military contractors just, they got the private jets. They got the luxury

02:07:29.500 vehicles. They got the a hundred thousand dollar party in Vegas. And it's, this is what our members

02:07:33.540 of Congress get to enjoy when you bend the knee to the war machine. So, uh, yeah, I have very

02:07:38.620 nuanced opinions about Matt Gates. So first jank for america.com. Okay. So, or if it's easier to

02:07:45.340 remember, Biden is going to lose.com. Okay. So if you agree that, uh, Biden's going to lose a Senate

02:07:52.240 dollar is a form of a protest. And I'm a proxy candidate for every other candidate to get in this

02:07:57.840 race already. If you don't want the Joe Biden to lose and the Democrats to lose, which is almost

02:08:02.400 certainly going to happen. Okay. Now for Matt Gates, um, so Matt stopped taking corporate PAC money

02:08:08.920 and it made a giant difference. So for the Democrats, it didn't, didn't, didn't make any

02:08:13.740 difference at all. They look at Matt Gates and they see the devil. Right. And so on his radical

02:08:18.340 right-wing positions and his conspiracy theories, I got no interest in it and I'll fight him all the

02:08:23.080 way on that stuff. But the minute he started taking corporate PAC money, at least he started

02:08:26.380 becoming honest, which is taking it. Yeah. When he stopped taking it, he, uh, he, uh, and all I

02:08:32.320 care is about honesty. You can be as right-wing as you want. That's called democracy. Okay. And so

02:08:37.640 he introduced anti-corruption bills and then Ro Khanna and, and AOC agree with him. Yeah. And he,

02:08:43.980 and I loved when he said, I'll give you concessions on, on the, uh, the motion to vacate. If you adopt

02:08:49.940 Ro Khanna's, uh, uh, reform. I, and I went on air and I said, that's a great idea. We got to do it.

02:08:55.340 Okay. People want that stuff. Yeah. So, and, and so you remember how I mentioned, uh, I come bearing

02:09:01.380 revolution in the beginning. This is what I'm talking about. A revolution where we're not talking

02:09:06.820 about left and right as much anymore. Now we, we did a lot in this and we, I'm sure we have to by

02:09:11.580 definition, cause it's a lot of times left versus right. I get it. I'm not trying to erase the

02:09:16.400 language, et cetera. But while we're fighting on things we actually care about, and you saw how much

02:09:21.740 I disagree on certain things. Right. And I'm not going to give any ground on that. And nobody has

02:09:26.580 to give ground on the right or the left on those issues. Right. But can we also at the same time

02:09:32.880 agree on things where we do a revolution against the establishment? Okay. So, and the best place to

02:09:40.100 start is anti-corruption. So, and I explained this in the book, as much as I, you know, go after

02:09:46.120 Republicans and I say mean things about them. Okay. But, but, but I also explained there's a

02:09:51.680 difference between conservative politicians or Republican politicians and Republican voters

02:09:56.620 and Republican politicians are 99% corrupt and the Democrats are about 90% corrupt.

02:10:02.960 I think it's inverted, but we agree on the corrupt, on the, the, let's just do the Venn diagram of

02:10:06.920 90% or 80% is corrupt.

02:10:09.320 Yes, totally. Okay. So, and the, and the reason that Trump won in 2016, a huge part of it was,

02:10:17.680 well, there's two main reasons. One, he was, and the establishment gets this wrong. They think he,

02:10:21.840 one of the main reasons is because he's racist, bigoted, et cetera. I think that that, yes,

02:10:26.740 that gets some voters, but that's not why he won. Right. He won because he's anti-establishment

02:10:31.440 and the country despises establishment.

02:10:33.560 And Hillary Clinton.

02:10:34.240 Right. And Hillary Clinton is the most establishment figure. They don't despise Hillary Clinton for being

02:10:38.040 Hillary Clinton. They despise her for representing the establishment. Okay.

02:10:41.160 I'd have voted for Bernie. Yeah. I was, there's so many people would have voted for Bernie,

02:10:44.540 but you can't get the knuckleheads on cable news to acknowledge reality. That's what I mean.

02:10:48.500 They live in their own bubble. And to me, that bubble is just as diluted as a Trump supporters

02:10:53.800 who think the election was stolen. Those guys are like, no politicians take money just because

02:10:59.680 they care about the general welfare. Oh, come on. But as you pointed out, lunatic theory, Bernie,

02:11:05.580 Bernie, uh, I'll say this generally speaking to them, Bernie was worse than Trump.

02:11:10.600 Definitely. Cause like I said earlier, Bernie would have changed the system,

02:11:14.020 but Bernie would have stuck up for the average guy. They hate anyone who sticks up for the average.

02:11:17.740 It's not just that you, you know, you could make the argument that they more feared Trump for

02:11:22.580 certain reasons, but Bernie took the party from them. If he won, if Bernie won, he became the Democrat

02:11:27.360 leader. And so their attitude is like, let go, let Trump win. So we can keep control of the

02:11:32.840 democratic party and we don't allow outsiders to take us over. We may lose for four years in the

02:11:37.160 white house, but we retain our cabal plus we'll get corporate tax cuts. So it was like, and plus

02:11:42.340 we'll get good ratings. You can get from, right. Because Trump's entertaining. We'll also get good

02:11:46.180 ratings. So they corporate media thought it was a win, win, win for them. It's just that when Trump

02:11:50.120 started doing things just on his own behalf, instead of on behalf of everyone else, the, the,

02:11:54.540 the corporate elitist crowd, right. That's when they turned on Trump. But again, I, if Trump had done

02:12:00.280 that for, to stick up to the, for the average guy, then I would have liked him, but he didn't,

02:12:04.460 he only did it for his own benefit. So then that gets back to the question of if it was just Trump

02:12:08.560 or Biden, right. And which, you know, then I'm, I'm definitely going to vote for Biden in that

02:12:14.240 scenario. Why, why? I told you a hundred bad things about Biden here, right? Because, because of the coup

02:12:20.960 attempt, I'm not going to put a guy back in charge of our democracy who already tried to overturn our

02:12:26.320 democracy who already did a coup attempt against democracy. That is a fascist. And that is a guy.

02:12:31.340 I do not trust under any circumstance. The Democrats overuse the word fascist. Ron DeSantis

02:12:36.400 is loathsome, but he's not a fascist. He did not try to overturn any democracy. He did not pass

02:12:42.620 laws that make it impossible for democracy to exist. No, Trump is the only person who had a fake

02:12:49.220 elector scheme that tried to execute a coup. And I would never, ever take that risk. And besides which

02:12:55.540 that guy betrayed our country, there's no way in the world you should ever vote for him.

02:12:59.920 So, so here's, here's a big challenge. I'm a tradition. I grew up in Chicago, traditionally

02:13:05.260 liberal pro-choice, pro-progressive tax, a whole bunch of these things that used to be associated

02:13:08.980 with Democrats, safe, legal, rare, et cetera. And the majority of people who watch our show are

02:13:15.580 middle of the road, moderate types. Many of them switched to Donald Trump. And the reason,

02:13:21.260 the reason greatly is for, for the average person who doesn't have time to pay attention or lives in

02:13:27.540 an, uh, an, an area that's split 50, 50, you've got, uh, what is viewed as unreasonable cultural

02:13:32.960 positions from the left and young people. And then you've got who's, who's right when it comes to,

02:13:39.520 did Donald Trump try to steal the election or did Joe Biden? And I understand your position.

02:13:44.780 And then I, I, I hear an inversion from the right. And of course you'll assert you're correct.

02:13:49.860 Of course, inside your facts, they'll do something similar. And of course there is an objective

02:13:53.680 truth, but for people who are in the middle, they're just like, man, I just, I hear two sides

02:13:57.560 bickering. Now, I, again, I understand there's an objective truth, but I don't, I don't see you

02:14:01.580 being able to cut through to the person who is like, I don't want to hear the fighting. What ends

02:14:05.880 up happening with Trump is you get this fervent, I will fire everybody revenge. Um, I love that you

02:14:12.080 get no new war. I hate that. But he's going to fire everybody. I think it's, I think it's good.

02:14:15.540 No, it's terrible because he's not firing the corporatist. He's firing like bureaucrats

02:14:20.740 that are doing important jobs. No, no. I know you right when you think like there should be

02:14:25.200 government, but there is, I think there should be government. It's an honest government. I agree.

02:14:31.360 The problem is not that the government exists. The problem is that this government has become

02:14:34.980 corrupted. Shouldn't we get rid of the corruption? The way you get rid of the corruption is get rid

02:14:39.040 of the corrupt politicians who are taking money from corporations. And if you showed me, Hey,

02:14:42.980 here's a guy who's a government bureaucrat, but he's following money to corporations in a way that

02:14:46.640 is wrong. Then of course, fire that guy. But if you come in and you blanket fire everybody in the

02:14:50.900 department of education, department of energy department of this and that, and then you find

02:14:54.520 out, Oh, department of energy runs the nukes. Oh no, we don't have staff to run the nukes and we need

02:14:59.580 staff to run the nukes. So here's how I see it. Uh, I agree with you on the corruption. I think

02:15:04.220 bureaucrats are part of that corruption. I not, they're just bureaucrats. They barely make any money,

02:15:08.340 but it's, it's not about the money. It's about the, the, the continual, I think government is a

02:15:13.880 good thing. I'm not an anarchist. I'm very libertarian leaning in a lot of ways, but I don't,

02:15:18.740 I've been arguments with a lot of libertarians all the time. I think these positions don't make a

02:15:22.000 lot of sense, but the issue is we need, let's just call it an audit then let's say, Oh, I would

02:15:28.240 vote for an audit so quick, but like not just financial, but a staffing audit. Yeah. But you, so,

02:15:35.000 but that's, that goes to the core of the problem. Like if you had, if you gave me an honest person

02:15:38.740 that's doing a staffing audit, I think we should audit the fed. I think the Pentagon never passes

02:15:43.480 an audit. It's they, they say, Oh, we can't find the $400 billion. Well, then you're geeked that I'm

02:15:48.780 going to cut your budget by $400 billion because apparently you can't find it. I'm not going to give

02:15:52.580 you money that you then later, Oh God, honey, I'm sorry. I forgot where I put $400 billion. Right. So

02:15:58.740 that, and by the way, you want to talk about corruption and bureaucrats, actually the number one

02:16:02.520 cause for concern other than politicians themselves that get corporate cancer contributions are the

02:16:08.460 generals because the generals almost all get hired by defense contractors after they retire. So they

02:16:14.680 literally have millions of dollars on the line and they know they're all, if they play ball, they're

02:16:20.080 going to get rich and they're going to have a house in McLean or Fairfax, Virginia. It's not going

02:16:24.980 to be a house. It's going to be a mansion. And then NBC is going to bring them on and there's a

02:16:28.980 revered general blank, blank, blank says, well, we need to attack Iran right away.

02:16:34.740 And then they don't explain. I mean, how does Lindsey Graham get reelected?

02:16:38.480 The good people calling for bombing of Iran without evidence.

02:16:42.280 Yeah. The good people of South Carolina have to stop listening to their Republican overlords.

02:16:48.320 And by that, I don't mean don't be a Republican. I mean, stop listening to the overlords. Okay.

02:16:53.580 So if Donald Trump or the local Republican dudes tell you that you should vote for Lindsey Graham,

02:16:58.020 don't believe them. Actually look at Lindsey Graham's record. Here's Lindsey Graham's the

02:17:02.460 biggest warmonger in America. Here's what I think. I'll give you an analogy. The establishment,

02:17:10.540 the military industrial complex, the massive multinational corporations, their cronies within

02:17:14.000 government. I think the government mostly are working as employees for these individuals.

02:17:18.620 They give them loans to us. We are but chickens in a coop. And so they look at what we produce and what

02:17:25.880 they can take from us. And you and I are pretty big roosters in that coop. But the one thing they

02:17:31.280 really wouldn't like is if all the chickens and roosters got together and just jumped the fence.

02:17:34.640 That's exactly what I'm proposing. And so they like having the chickens, you know,

02:17:37.460 peck at each other and stuff like this. So figuring out how we can, instead of arguing,

02:17:43.440 like instead of arguing on the cultural issues, which I think are important and of course make up a

02:17:49.080 huge portion of both of our shows, I'm inspired by Matt Gaetz and Ro Khanna. Yes. And even AOC when

02:17:54.940 she teamed up when they were trying to get that no more stock trading. Yep. If we can get that stuff

02:17:59.140 done, we can argue all day and night about any of the books that are in schools. The first and

02:18:04.280 foremost is you mentioned about Matt Gaetz. He stops taking corporate PAC money. He becomes honest.

02:18:08.540 Imagine if we did that to every single member of Congress. Bingo. Now you have it. I've never

02:18:12.740 agreed more. But I agree with you on Citizens United. The idea that you have super PACs where

02:18:18.520 they can just say a hundred million dollars goes into their campaign. Wink, wink. We're not

02:18:22.260 coordinating, but we know they are. A 100% coordinating. They're such liars. Right. It

02:18:26.320 turns it into, look, the right is great, is, is, is livid at Pfizer. The left is livid at Monsanto

02:18:33.060 and everybody hates the military industrial complex. And they are who buy the politicians through

02:18:37.120 super PACs, which basically violates what the intention of campaign contribution limits were supposed to

02:18:43.000 be. So that, see, that's what I'm talking about. If we unite on that and the reality,

02:18:48.520 is that 90% of the country agrees with me and you on this issue. Okay. So the only people who don't

02:18:54.000 agree are the people that are part of the corporate infrastructure, right? Yep. So the guys taking the

02:18:58.900 corporate PAC money are the politicians. But remember, where does that money go? Eventually

02:19:02.760 it goes into, why did the politicians need all that money? Cause they need to run ads to trick you into

02:19:07.660 voting for them. So the trick, the good people of South Carolina who do not want war, but they have,

02:19:13.080 they want them to like Lindsey Graham, that's going to start more wars. So Lindsey Graham has to buy a lot

02:19:17.940 of ads that lie to the people in South Carolina about his positions. Now, where do the ads go? Oh,

02:19:24.440 right. The money goes into mainstream media. So last cycle, they spent $17 billion in ads. So that's

02:19:33.240 17 billion reasons for mainstream media to lie to you and to pretend it's not corruption because they're

02:19:39.400 the biggest benefactors of that corruption. I got a conspiracy theory for you. I think that if

02:19:46.160 you and I and a bunch of other commentators said something like, let's, let's stop focusing so

02:19:52.460 heavily on the culture war issues. Obviously people are passionate about it for reasons and focus on

02:19:57.100 these reforms. You'd be demonetized on YouTube overnight. You're, you know, I wouldn't, you don't

02:20:02.760 think so. No. First of all, I know. So, because I've been saying that we should get money out of

02:20:07.880 politics for a dozen years now. I formed Wolfpack to get money out of politics, wolf-pack.com.

02:20:13.620 It's totally bipartisan. Republicans go join Wolfpack. They'd love to have you. They want a

02:20:19.500 real election reform. None of your Republican politicians are actually giving you election

02:20:23.380 reform. Wolfpack actually does. Tell them more Matt Gaetz's. Yeah. More Matt Gaetz's, more Rocanis.

02:20:29.540 Okay. And so, so, um, and, uh, in just, I also formed justice Democrats and our one rule in justice

02:20:37.760 Democrats, there was no litmus test on policy. There's only one rule. You're not allowed to

02:20:41.960 take corporate PAC money. And so as much as you might, you know, if you're right when you might

02:20:45.780 hate AOC or Rashida Tlaib or whoever, right. But at least those guys, they never suck up to

02:20:53.080 corporations and they're, and then they're loud, but they're honest. You might disagree with them on

02:20:59.240 cultural issues. And I might disagree with Matt Gaetz on cultural issues, but they are honestly

02:21:03.780 fighting against corporate power. You know, when it comes to Israel, Palestine, I think there's

02:21:07.040 probably a position the majority of the left and the right would agree on. And that's, we shouldn't

02:21:10.840 be funding it or be involved. Yeah. The great majority of American people would agree. And almost

02:21:15.740 no one in Washington would agree. And they're trying to kick Rashida Tlaib out of town because

02:21:20.960 they're like, Oh, we have to spend more money to get Israel. How dare Rashida Tlaib disagree.

02:21:25.920 But that's the thing I'm thinking about Rashida Tlaib and what everyone's upset about her,

02:21:31.040 her stance and the statements she's made. And I'm, and my attitude is, you know, we keep having the,

02:21:35.320 we have these people on the show that have what I call Israel, Palestine derangement syndrome,

02:21:38.600 where my attitude is just, look, man, I'm America, right? I'm an American citizen.

02:21:42.880 I don't know about generational conflict over there. I don't want anyone dying. I don't want

02:21:46.260 civilians dying. I don't want kids dying. Ain't nobody's talking about Myanmar or Burma,

02:21:50.340 whatever you want to call it, which is another generational conflict, 1948. And so what if we all agreed,

02:21:55.280 we just shouldn't be involved anymore. We shouldn't send our warships. We shouldn't send funding.

02:21:59.080 I think neocons and neolibs would start freaking out, panicking. And then the average Trump supporter

02:22:06.140 and the average progressive is going to be like, agreed. Yeah. Like, let's not argue about the

02:22:10.360 conflict of the region. Let's argue about why we're spending money on it. Yeah. So let me make

02:22:14.240 some distinctions. But overall, I agree a lot with that. So first of all, and then I'm going to come

02:22:19.740 back to the Republican, they could win easily. But meanwhile, jankforamerica.com. So in terms of

02:22:26.580 Israel-Palestine, so we send more money to Israel than any other country, but I'm not really sure

02:22:37.400 what we get out of it, right? And Israel is already pretty wealthy country in the context of all the

02:22:46.480 countries in the world. Like, they're in the upper echelon. So it's like, why are we sending money

02:22:51.400 to a country that's already wealthy? It's not like they need the charity. Like, hey, you know what?

02:22:55.240 There's a terrible drought in Botswana. We send money. Okay, we're humanitarian. We're the good

02:23:00.520 guys. God bless. But it's not like Israel needs that. They're already incredibly wealthy. They're not

02:23:05.640 the wealthiest country at all, but they're in the upper quarter, upper 10%, et cetera. So we don't,

02:23:12.480 what's the point? Here's the simple yet complex answer. And there's a conspiracy answer,

02:23:17.040 but the simple but complex one is, simply put, the US wants to go to war with Iran,

02:23:21.600 and we need as many strategic locations as possible in the Middle East. So of course,

02:23:25.420 we're going to be, with Israel being as powerful as they are. Why do we want to go to war with Iran

02:23:30.400 has a lot to do with oil and energy, which is why we surrounded Iran with Afghanistan and Iraq.

02:23:34.880 Look at a map. We invaded two countries to surround Iran. John Bolton said under Trump,

02:23:39.360 we will be celebrating in Tehran next year. He didn't get that. And then you look at the Qatar-Turkey

02:23:44.120 pipeline. The US and Western interests wanted a pipeline from Qatar through Turkey and Syria into

02:23:50.340 Europe to compete with Russia. A lot about energy and economic expansion. And so this results in

02:23:55.340 massive conflict in the Middle East, where we say we want control of Iran. There's a strong reason

02:23:59.800 for the US in that capacity to defend and fund and secure Israel. And then my favorite, which has

02:24:06.160 just popped up more recently, is the more conspiratorial answer. And it's that Jewish

02:24:09.680 people and Christians believe the Holy War is coming, and they want to make it happen so that

02:24:14.380 the Messiah returns. And I kid you, I know it's very religious, but there are a lot of people

02:24:19.880 tweeting this out. Oh, yeah. A video of politicians in Congress, both Democrat and Republican, saying,

02:24:23.920 we will defend this blessed land and things like this. Yeah. Let me go one by one. So first of all,

02:24:28.580 Jewish people don't want Armageddon or any of that stuff. Of course. You have to leave them out of that

02:24:32.560 equation completely. In fact, in that cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs scenario that the evangelical Christians

02:24:39.940 believe, almost all the Jews die. So there's no way the Jews are in favor of that. Israel's not in

02:24:45.480 favor of that. But does Netanyahu use our religious nuts in this country for his own benefit? Yes.

02:24:52.400 Did Ariel Sharon? Yes. Okay. And when asked, Sharon would say, of course, I don't agree with them,

02:24:58.780 but if the schmucks are going to send me money, I'm not going to disagree. Okay. I'm going to take

02:25:03.040 their money. So the evangelical Christians, yes, it's not all Christians. It's not all right-wing.

02:25:08.160 It's not all white people. Let me give those standard, but important caveats. But there is

02:25:13.220 a percentage of the country that thinks, hey, the end times require Israel to exist, for the Al-Aqsa Mosque

02:25:19.800 to be destroyed, for Israel to control the West Bank and Gaza, and then praise Jesus. He returns and

02:25:27.100 murders everyone. And only the true believers are sucked up in a giant vacuum into heaven,

02:25:32.480 and everyone is killed in a bloody slaughter like no one's ever seen before. And we rejoice. And we

02:25:38.680 look down from heaven at all of you lying in blood with your babies and grandmothers murdered all over

02:25:44.240 the world and go, yes, praise the Lord. Well, you guys are sick. That's a sick fantasy. It's not going to

02:25:51.920 happen. You're cuckoo for cocoa puffs. And by the way, in that scenario, Israel gets obliterated and

02:26:01.000 almost all the Jews die. Okay. So no one in their right mind should be rooting for that. It saddens me

02:26:09.160 that a significant percentage of this country is mentally ill and believes those kind of apocalyptic

02:26:14.980 revelations that no one actually said. Jesus never said it. It's totally made up by con men,

02:26:22.920 American preachers who just wanted to rob you blind. The last person on earth you should trust

02:26:28.640 is a preacher. And that is true of all the religions, not just Christianity. So imams coming

02:26:34.680 around telling you how holy they are. And then they go, oh, you'll take a suicide vest. No,

02:26:38.460 you first, Dick. And then we'll talk about it, right? Well, let's talk about the Republican.

02:26:44.540 So- Unless you wanted to wrap that up. Yeah. So, but back to, just to wrap up Israel. Look,

02:26:48.820 right now there's a slaughter going on in Gaza and it's mass relocation, three times as many civilians

02:26:55.540 killed in Palestine. Those civilians' lives matter too. And they have to end the occupation. It is

02:27:02.560 immoral. It is wrong. And America should never spend money backing an occupation. It is morally

02:27:09.440 wrong no matter who does it under what circumstances. I want Israel to be a peaceful country that we all

02:27:17.220 love and cherish and visit and to have a safe environment, okay? But you don't get the safety

02:27:24.880 through war. You get the safety through peace. And so the great example is actually right there in the

02:27:30.180 same region. Everybody said, oh, you can't make peace with the Arabs and the Muslims. Why? Honestly,

02:27:35.740 pure racism and bigotry. Muslims are just naturally violent and savages, et cetera. Except what a load of

02:27:42.380 crap. Israel made peace with who? Egypt. And Egypt at the time was not only their top enemy,

02:27:48.620 but they were the leaders of the Arab countries that attacked Israel a couple of times. And after that

02:27:55.440 peace deal, what happened? No one got killed between the Egyptians and the Israelis. No one,

02:28:01.560 we didn't have war. We had peace. And it turned out great for Israel and it turned out good for Egypt.

02:28:06.780 They gave back Sinai.

02:28:07.960 And they gave back Sinai, okay? That's how you do a peace deal. You can do that deal right now with

02:28:13.300 the Palestinians. 1967 borders, build the biggest walls you've ever seen. And just like Egypt, everyone

02:28:19.660 will say, oh, they're Muslims. They won't listen. They're savages, right? And then what happened?

02:28:24.740 You were wrong. The Egyptians did listen. And so will the Palestinians because they're tired of

02:28:28.580 being murdered and they're tired of being occupied. And Tim, you can't, when you have a situation like

02:28:34.340 the occupation, the extremists always win. But when you have a democracy, moderates have a shot at

02:28:39.880 winning and then creating more moderates and more stability and more peace. We have to be going

02:28:45.420 towards peace instead of war. I agree. A lot of civilians dying in each and every one is a horrifying

02:28:51.520 tragedy. And people get met at the term collateral damage because they take offense to it because

02:28:56.680 they feel that it downplays civilian death. I just think collateral damage defines when actions are

02:29:01.120 being taken in war that kill civilians. And it's wrong. It needs to stop. My big thing is like,

02:29:07.140 hey, look, I hear everything you're saying. I think the US should not be involved.

02:29:11.000 No, no, but I'm not disagreeing with that.

02:29:12.680 Right. But that's all I can say.

02:29:13.960 All that is important. And those things are relevant in this conversation. But I actually

02:29:19.580 agree that the most relevant thing is the money. It's almost always the money. And don't go into

02:29:24.380 crazy conspiracy theories about Jews and stuff like that. I'm not saying you. I'm saying that

02:29:28.060 people online are posting this thinking that the end of days are coming.

02:29:31.700 Yeah. Not the end of days. Not Jews control the world. All that nonsense. Okay. If they control the

02:29:36.860 world, why didn't they get us to attack Iran already? Netanyahu is desperate to attack Iran. Right.

02:29:40.600 So they obviously don't control the world. That's not how it works. It's a very unsophisticated way

02:29:44.660 of thinking about it. But you know who does control America, which then controls a big part of the

02:29:48.940 world is donors. And the defense contractors are much, much larger donors than any ethnic group,

02:29:56.360 any racial group, any religious group, et cetera. For a while, they were all run by women too.

02:30:00.760 Remember that? It was like a big progressive victory. The war machine is. Yeah. The war machine

02:30:04.340 putting on a progressive face is hilarious. Right. Like, oh no. Okay. We got a black woman to

02:30:09.420 declare that war. Oh, well, that makes it so much better. Okay. No, it doesn't make it any better.

02:30:13.740 And to your point, that theory about how they wanted to attack, the neocons wanted to attack

02:30:18.220 all the Middle Eastern countries. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's just a fact. And

02:30:22.660 General Wesley Clark, who was head of the allied forces back in the day, was supreme commander of

02:30:29.400 allied forces. He said, right after 9-11, it was seven countries that they wanted to attack.

02:30:35.140 The neocons have published those in the past, even before we got attacked on 9-11,

02:30:39.740 that they wanted to attack those seven countries. And their prize, their cherished prize is Iran.

02:30:45.100 So why do they want to attack Iran so badly? Number one, Iran doesn't have nukes. If you attack

02:30:50.460 Russia or China, the defense contractors also live in LA and Washington, and they might get nuked and

02:30:56.080 they don't want that. So they pick on countries that don't have nukes and pretend they're going to

02:31:00.660 have nukes. And they use that as an excuse. And is it just to make money for defense contractors?

02:31:06.080 Well, that's a huge part of it, but that's not all. When you do a war in the Middle East,

02:31:09.980 oil prices spike. You'll be paying five bucks more per gallon. And the oil companies will make

02:31:16.060 trillions of dollars.

02:31:17.380 And this means your sandwiches cost more. It means your Coca-Cola costs more.

02:31:20.980 Yes. We all get screwed. We all get screwed. And the guys at the top profit off of the deaths

02:31:27.300 and the oppression of the American people, let alone the civilians that live in those areas.

02:31:32.680 And what people need to understand is the cost of goods to the ultra wealthy doesn't matter.

02:31:37.040 What matters is how much of the goods they control.

02:31:39.660 Yes, that's right.

02:31:40.640 When you've got billions of dollars in stocks or assets, you're not thinking about the cost of

02:31:44.300 milk. They don't care about the cost of gas at all. It's a drop in the bucket to them.

02:31:49.460 But their stock market portfolio going up when defense contractor and oil contractor

02:31:53.720 prices go up, make a giant difference.

02:31:57.680 What we're really talking about in the minds of the ultra, the warmongers, the elites is

02:32:03.300 it's kind of like, we'll force you to sell everything you own, buy it for pennies on the

02:32:08.740 dollar, and then charge you 10 times more for it when you need it.

02:32:10.960 So we control more of the resources and more of your life and take from you.

02:32:14.420 So I'll give you another example of that, because this is how corporate rule is crushing

02:32:18.300 us all. We're like all in that trash compactor in Star Wars and the walls are closing in on

02:32:23.480 us, right? And that's why the right wing is so mad. And that's why I'm so mad at Trump

02:32:29.680 and Steve Bannon misdirecting that anger toward their own benefit and making it racial and

02:32:35.280 religious instead of focusing on, no, get the people in power. It's about the money.

02:32:40.640 But Bannon agrees with you.

02:32:41.660 Yeah, Bannon's full of crap. Okay. So then he says, oh, help me build a wall and then

02:32:46.180 takes the money and runs away. Anyways, there's long stories about Bannon and Trump.

02:32:50.520 But Bannon notices the same thing you and I notice. And let's put aside whether he's honest

02:32:55.880 about it or not, okay? Because it's not important to the conversation. What's important is that

02:33:00.880 the people in power here are squeezing us in so many different ways. And here's a really

02:33:09.000 interesting example. In real estate, what the private equity guys realized, this happened about

02:33:14.580 a decade ago, is, hey, wait a minute, the average American, the main source of wealth for them is

02:33:20.460 what? Their houses, right? That is by far the number one way to accumulate wealth in this country.

02:33:27.580 Like, oh, wait a minute, if that's true, why don't we buy the houses and squeeze out the average

02:33:32.880 American? Oh, wait a minute, that'll give us a double win because then we'll charge them rent.

02:33:37.840 And then they can't get off of us because now they're addicted because they're not accumulating

02:33:45.160 wealth. They're paying us rent. We're using the rent to pay the mortgage. So the real estate costs

02:33:51.240 us nothing. There's no way in the world they weren't going to go and buy all the real estate in

02:33:54.880 America. And that's what they're doing methodically now. And that creates more homelessness. That creates

02:34:00.820 higher home prices. It creates higher rent. And you're wondering, why can't I pay the rent? What

02:34:06.720 happened? Corporate America happened. You know about BlackRock, I believe it is, right? BlackRock,

02:34:11.020 yeah. And so what we were hearing a lot of is people saying, you know, young millennial couple

02:34:15.300 having their first kid want to buy their first home. Find a house that's $200,000, put in an

02:34:19.900 offer. They get a call back from the agent, BlackRock put in at 230. Can you compete with that? And

02:34:24.160 they're like, no, this house isn't worth 230. They don't care. They want to own it. Yeah. And so those

02:34:29.820 private equity guys, they actually run the world. And I know, and I've seen their board members and

02:34:35.680 their executives are crystal clear. They're on their websites. And don't go harass them. That's

02:34:40.280 not the right way to do it. You change the system, right? But if you look there, you'll see

02:34:44.280 they're every kind of race. They're every kind of religion. They got black folks, white folks, Jews,

02:34:49.940 Muslims, Christians. Very diverse ripping off.

02:34:52.660 They're very diverse in ripping us off. So don't, race and religion are a misdirection. When you say,

02:35:00.420 hey, let's power down on the culture wars, you're exactly right. Because the people up top

02:35:04.900 are using the culture wars to rip us apart so we can't unite to fight back on the actual power and

02:35:11.500 money issues. Have you seen there's a comic of a guy sitting in his office outside the window is a

02:35:16.720 bunch of people holding up signs saying, we are the 99%. And the guy in the office is on the phone

02:35:20.480 says, introduce identity politics. Yeah, that is exactly right. And look, to be honest, and again,

02:35:27.160 right wings don't catch feelings, but the original identity politics was a Southern strategy.

02:35:31.960 And that's what Nixon did to, once the Democrats voted for the Dixiecrats that were the original

02:35:37.020 racists in the South and opposed the Republicans because they were the party of Lincoln, okay?

02:35:42.800 Once they, Lyndon Johnson, browbeat them into voting for the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act,

02:35:47.760 Nixon and Pat Buchanan, and Pat Buchanan said this to me on MSNBC, okay, executed the strategy of let's

02:35:53.600 go get those Southern voters. Now the part they leave out is the Southern voters who don't want

02:35:58.340 integration. They wanted segregation. Now that's back then. It's not on you today. Don't take it

02:36:03.440 personally. Okay. But that launched identity politics. And then the Democrats jumped in with

02:36:09.040 two feet and they're like, okay, I like this identity politics because that means if I am X,

02:36:15.600 Y, or Z, name the group, right? Then I am owed something. Okay. No, but wait a minute. Wait a

02:36:22.440 minute, brother. What do you mean? Like Ben Carson's black. He's not owed anything. What do you,

02:36:26.480 like, I'm not going to make Ben Carson the democratic president just because he's black.

02:36:30.340 So why would I take your corporate stooge who happens to be black and say, oh, okay,

02:36:35.360 then good enough just because they're black. It's a trick. And so when you say Jim Clyburn,

02:36:40.880 who's one of the most corrupt members of Congress is corrupt because he takes all this corporate

02:36:45.380 donations and he serves those guys, they go, how dare you? Jim Clyburn is a respected elder African

02:36:52.700 American fighting for civil rights. You look into his record. He actually didn't almost did nothing

02:36:57.140 on civil rights. He's just a corporate dude who happens to be black. Right. And they use it as

02:37:02.160 excuse. You're not allowed to attack these people. They won't call you sexist and racist. I mean,

02:37:06.480 they even did it to Bernie. They even called Bernie anti-semitic, even though he's Jewish.

02:37:12.260 Very Jewish. And so there is nothing that they won't stoop to. And it's a cudgel and a weapon that

02:37:18.340 mainstream media and corporate politicians use to distract us, to get us to fight each other

02:37:24.100 instead of focusing on money and power. Cenkforamerica.com.

02:37:27.500 So who's the Republican who can win?

02:37:30.220 Well, it does depend on one thing, which is me winning my court case. Okay.

02:37:34.900 Oh, I see.

02:37:36.120 But you bring in Arnold Schwarzenegger.

02:37:39.360 Okay. Hear me out.

02:37:40.360 All right.

02:37:40.740 Hear me out. Hear me out. So Arnold is not, doesn't agree with this election is stolen.

02:37:45.020 Arnold's on a Trump guy. Okay. But he is a Republican in two very important ways that

02:37:51.280 today would resonate. And I, and I wish that, that a Democrat would do it instead. Okay.

02:37:58.000 But one, since he's already rich and he loves this country, he hates corruption and he speaks

02:38:04.640 out against corruption. Okay. Boom. You're going to win already. Okay. You're a non-objectionable

02:38:09.480 Republican against corruption. You're going to win in a landslide if you ask me. Okay. But hold on,

02:38:13.800 it gets better for you guys. He's also hates the crime that has risen in places like California

02:38:21.000 and in the big cities like New York, Chicago, et cetera. Right. You take a non-objectionable

02:38:26.760 Republican who is not a corporate stooge, who's against corruption and against crime.

02:38:31.680 That brother wins in a landslide. Okay. Now that's that. I think that's a stone cold reality.

02:38:38.780 I don't know. I don't want a Republican to win, but I'm telling you the reality of my political

02:38:42.640 analysis. Bigger picture, perhaps you're correct. Smaller picture that he said, screw your freedom.

02:38:48.100 Do you remember that? That was, that was bad for him. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. The Trump people

02:38:52.760 would swarm him. I get it. But like Mike Pence, isn't going to beat Donald Trump. Okay. Of course.

02:38:58.540 Of course. Right. Nikki Haley isn't going to beat Donald Trump, but Ronda Santis is not going to be

02:39:02.700 done. No, no. Ronda Santis. None of those guys are, but Arnold could fight back. Okay. And Arnold has a

02:39:08.560 credibility of not being inside the system. And so they'll say to him, oh yeah, you said this and

02:39:14.120 it hurt our feelings. And you said that and it hurt our feelings. And then Arnold will say, yeah,

02:39:18.580 I'm going to say more things that hurt your feelings. But at the end of the day, I'm going

02:39:21.840 to get rid of corruption. I'm going to get rid of crime. He'll look, I'm going to stop talking about

02:39:27.560 it because I want a Democrat to win. Okay. But well, so let's, let's, I guess the, we went, we went about

02:39:31.860 a half an hour over. It's cool though. Cause this has been fantastic. I didn't even know that. I know it's

02:39:34.960 great. And I'm just like, well, we talk as long as we want, but I guess we'll, we'll wind down with the

02:39:38.020 final thoughts is coming to your court case. What's, what is your plan? I mean, you're,

02:39:42.660 where do you start the suit? Do you go straight to the Supreme court? No, no, you can't. You got

02:39:46.460 to go through a process. So, so first thing is you apply to get on the ballots and, and we know

02:39:53.100 that the great majority of the States are going to reject us in the beginning. That's part of the

02:39:56.320 process, right? Because they say you have to be natural born in the form. You cross that out and say

02:40:01.200 naturalize because our argument is that the constitution has been amended and that your form is wrong.

02:40:06.320 Right? So I'm not going to sign and say I'm a natural born citizen when I'm not.

02:40:11.520 And so I have to change the form. Then they go, okay, well, you changed the form.

02:40:15.340 So we're going to reject you. Okay. Then you go to the next layer. And in the case of New Hampshire,

02:40:20.300 for example, there's something called a law ballot commission. So likely very soon, maybe as early as

02:40:26.580 next week, I will go and make an argument to them. And I will make an argument that the FEC has already

02:40:31.840 ruled that naturalized citizens can run for president, whether they can actually be president,

02:40:37.560 serve as president is a matter for the courts to decide. Interesting.

02:40:40.960 But the FEC says you should let them run. So one, we're going to make an FEC argument. Number two,

02:40:46.700 we're going to make a 14th amendment argument. Number three, in the state of New Hampshire,

02:40:50.180 it's all about letting the voters decide. So if the courts are going to decide the legal issue,

02:40:55.800 why are you blocking the voters from having their say? And by the way, Biden is not on the

02:41:01.660 New Hampshire ballot. I could win New Hampshire. Okay. And that could be an amazing phenomenon.

02:41:07.540 Imagine this anti-war, anti-corruption candidate shocks the world and wins New Hampshire. Okay.

02:41:14.200 Now, all of a sudden we're in a super interesting conversation. Let the courts do what they're going

02:41:19.920 to do, but do not block me from getting on the ballot because then you're blocking the voters.

02:41:25.140 And the voters get a say in this. And so when, and if the next step in the process is also rejected,

02:41:31.840 then we file in court and it goes up to district court, circuit court, and Supreme court.

02:41:37.500 The simple argument that Trump supporters should make is you'd split the support from Biden with

02:41:42.540 the progressives. And so why not? I mean, my website, you're at least running for it.

02:41:47.180 Yeah. I mean, my website is called Biden is going to lose.com. Okay. So like I said,

02:41:53.500 give a dollar there. If just as a protest, right, let the guy go on the ballots, let the courts decide

02:42:00.060 if he's eligible or not. And because it's elections, the courts expedite. And so they will decide before

02:42:06.260 you get to vote. But so the guys, the bureaucrats doing the ballot forms shouldn't be deciding the

02:42:12.500 courts and the voters should be deciding. I think, I think people on the right. Well,

02:42:16.600 I think everybody in this country should have this conversation right now. I brought up early on,

02:42:19.340 who would they rather have? Cenk Uygur for president or a person that was born in California

02:42:26.460 through birth tourism, who was raised in Beijing as a loyal CCP member, but by being born on this,

02:42:33.640 on this soil of the United States, they can run for president. I think everyone's going to be like,

02:42:38.040 oh man, like a lot of conservatives say neither. But I'm saying if you had to choose, you'd realize

02:42:42.080 you're better off with someone who was raised in this country, who, who believes in this country,

02:42:46.360 even if you disagree on their politics over someone who was literally raised entirely somewhere

02:42:49.900 different, which brings up a really interesting question of, I see what you're saying with the

02:42:54.580 argument with 14th amendment. If, if the argument then is to go in the entire other direction,

02:42:58.800 which is to remove birthright citizenship, meaning you have to be born of American parents.

02:43:03.740 Well, then all you're doing is separating it by generation. Then you'll get someone who was born

02:43:07.520 through birth tourism, who goes and gets raised in China and then has a kid. And that kid's never been

02:43:12.780 in the United States, but they now have the right to be president. Something is broken there. And I'm

02:43:17.780 not saying that you are correct completely. I'm saying these, this situation I've brought up needs

02:43:21.640 to be answered by the American people and the courts as to how we address it, because it exists.

02:43:27.040 Tim, that's exactly right. So that's why when people say like, oh, you're doing an illegitimate run.

02:43:31.080 No guys, if someone doesn't run, that injustice can never be addressed by the court.

02:43:36.240 You've, and it can never be addressed by the, the justices, by the way, I'm not like,

02:43:40.740 there's 25 million naturalized citizens. So, and tons of them are Republicans. Tons of them are

02:43:46.940 right wingers, especially for immigrants that come in hard work, family values. A lot of them

02:43:52.300 have conservative traditions, backgrounds, et cetera. And we're saying, like you said,

02:43:56.580 someone who was born here, but never lived here can become president. But those Americans who chose

02:44:01.600 to be Americans who love America and came here because they love America shouldn't be allowed to

02:44:07.280 run. That is not a bureaucrat decision. That is a courts and voters decision.

02:44:11.160 A question for many on the right too, would be who would you rather have as president,

02:44:15.020 Joe Biden or Dinesh D'Souza? And everyone's going to be, but we love Dinesh, but he's not born here,

02:44:19.880 but then you get Biden. So I'm not, I'm not coming here to give a moral position that I think we should

02:44:25.100 change it or that you're right. I think these questions should be talked about. People should have the

02:44:31.360 conversation and explain why it is they believe it should remain or be amended as such.

02:44:35.340 But I do think that there is a very important question as, as many on the right have, have,

02:44:40.460 are concerned about birth tourism in the United States. Well, now you're creating that, that is

02:44:45.240 a path towards abs people who are absolutely loyal to other countries coming in here and asserting the

02:44:50.440 right to be president. When there are people who are not born here, who many on the right would

02:44:54.940 absolutely agree are much better candidates. Look, we haven't said the one name and I'm afraid of

02:44:59.840 saying it because I don't want people thinking that I agree with this guy or I want this guy to run.

02:45:04.860 Okay. But there's another naturalized citizen whose name is Elon Musk. Okay. So I don't know about

02:45:12.200 Elon for president. No, no, I don't want him. I don't want him as president. I don't want it,

02:45:16.040 et cetera. So, but my guess is it's that a lot of people would say, why can't Elon run? What do we

02:45:23.340 think? Elon's actually secretly loyal to South Africa and going to turn us over to the South Africans

02:45:28.500 is Arnold after all these years going to somehow turn us over to the Austrian empire? Like, this is

02:45:35.480 absurd. It's totally, utterly absurd. Let alone all of us on the left that are naturalized citizens,

02:45:42.140 members of Congress, et cetera.

02:45:44.060 This will change when we run into a, you know, someone raised in China, never spent any time in the

02:45:53.660 United States announces they're running for president. You're going to see a lot of people

02:45:57.320 be like, well, hold on. That's not what we meant. It's like, well, they're following the rules.

02:46:01.300 So again, I mean, I think we have to have a conversation about what our intention is with

02:46:06.940 the constitution as it is written. Ultimately, I think it's going to require, I think you make an

02:46:12.000 interesting argument. The 14th amendment has already stated, naturalized has those rights.

02:46:16.040 The purpose of the 14th was basically at the end of slavery to say, we, this country must recognize

02:46:21.600 all of these individuals have the same rights as everybody else. So, but again, I'm not here to,

02:46:25.800 to, to, to answer this for everybody, but I certainly think someone's gonna have to have

02:46:29.160 that conversation soon. Yeah. So last thing on that, Tim, uh, is think about why they put naturalized

02:46:34.700 in the 14th amendment. So for the people saying it's in the constitution, the 14th amendment is also

02:46:38.880 in the constitution and the amendments, uh, win because they're amending the original constitution,

02:46:43.440 but why did they put the word naturalized in there? Because the slaves were not natural born

02:46:48.920 citizens and no one thinks that after the 14th amendment, the slaves couldn't run for president.

02:46:53.880 That's absurd. Of course they could. Why? Cause the 14th amendment. Yeah. Right. And they didn't

02:46:59.060 have to put naturalized. They put naturalized in there for a reason. So it's actually on the plain

02:47:05.000 meaning, which is how conservative justices are supposed to decide cases on the plain meaning of

02:47:09.260 the 14th amendment. It's an open and shut case. So if someone like me never runs,

02:47:15.140 we never get to test it and we never get to have a firm conclusion on it.

02:47:18.800 The inverse could be, like I mentioned, uh, I say China because there's so many people who view them

02:47:24.540 as a very serious threat or adversary, but let's say Russia. The, the, the inverse could be someone

02:47:28.580 who, uh, was, was born here of Russian parents on vacation. And within a day of being born, they fly

02:47:34.660 back to Russia. The kid grows up, never speaking any English or knowing anything about America.

02:47:39.020 And then one day arrives and says, I was born here. And so I'm going to live here now so I can

02:47:42.780 run for president. You're going to have people being like, wait, wait, hold on a minute. But, uh,

02:47:46.340 I will, I will give a final thought on this too. I'm imagining everybody was hoping that we were

02:47:51.340 going to be screaming at each other the whole time. And we screamed a little bit though.

02:47:55.820 Right. But, uh, like, like this is what I want to tell people. Look, I'm, I'm trying to find

02:47:59.980 solutions when it comes to like Israel, Palestine stuff. That's the hot issue right now. And a lot of the

02:48:04.540 time I'm not concerned with arguing about moral positions. I don't know enough about, I'm

02:48:08.440 interested in what can we do to solve these problems and move forward. One of the things

02:48:12.480 that we do, uh, that, that we're working on is cast brew coffee in our coffee house. Why?

02:48:17.820 It's not about me writing a bunch of books and putting these books in schools and countering

02:48:22.340 a narrative or, uh, it's about creating physical spaces where people can come together and talk

02:48:27.600 to each other because this is what I think helps repair the damage in this country. We used to have

02:48:32.240 people gathering at churches. They used to gather community centers. Now they're all online and

02:48:35.680 they're all isolated from their neighbors. So I'm like, instead of just look, we can argue all day

02:48:40.260 and night. There's a lot of things we really do disagree on, but if we're going to fix the problems,

02:48:44.020 we need to prioritize what we can solve. We had Max Blumenthal on the show. He made the same point.

02:48:49.020 If everybody on the right and everyone on the left, not everybody, the majority say, Hey,

02:48:53.040 let's stop funding these foreign wars. How come we can't just solve that problem right now and then go

02:48:56.920 back to arguing after that. And that's what I'm, that's what I think we should be doing.

02:48:59.520 And look, at some point, whether it's me, Arnold or anyone else, it doesn't matter.

02:49:05.400 We have to break through and we have to get on in a way that mainstream media cannot deny us.

02:49:12.600 So, and making these powerful cases in front of the entire country. And, and at that point,

02:49:18.840 people will rally. Okay. But we need, we need small leaders. We need large leaders. We need you

02:49:24.180 doing what you're doing. I mean, again, it's amazing. The similarity here, given our differences

02:49:30.040 on other topics, but we have too strong coffee. Uh, and cool. Yeah. And so I don't give out the

02:49:35.260 URLs to that or to the book or anything like that, because I'm running for president. I don't want

02:49:39.040 people thinking that it's about anything else. Right. But, but my point is we're doing coffee too.

02:49:44.700 It's kind of, that's a funny coincidence, but the main thing is on young Turks, especially in the bonus

02:49:49.540 episodes for our members. What we keep telling them is go out in the real world and, and meet

02:49:55.200 people, start having conversations, take a little bit of a risk, right? And, and, and start talking

02:50:01.700 to conservative family members, start re-engaging. We even shot a pilot at TYT of an American family

02:50:08.620 that split and they refuse to talk anymore because of politics. And we brought them back together and

02:50:15.020 we're not trying to split them up. We're trying to bring them back together. And it's an analogy for

02:50:20.080 the American family. And what split us apart was media. They got us to fight on culture wars. They

02:50:25.800 got us to hate each other. And because they wanted us distracted because the reality is big business

02:50:33.380 and big government got together and they're taking trillions of dollars of our money from out the back

02:50:38.260 while we're distracted. It's just like a heist, like, you know, in the, in the heist movies, the robber set

02:50:43.420 up a distraction somewhere else. The cops rushed there and then they robbed the bank. A lot of

02:50:47.380 people are making the federalist argument. States rights at the States do what they want. And if the

02:50:51.060 end result is red States say blue States, do your thing and, and, and live how you want to live and

02:50:56.360 we'll do our thing. And that results in the only actual, uh, federal level things that get solved

02:51:02.560 will then be the things we all agree on. And then if you want to live in Colorado or Oklahoma, because

02:51:07.000 of your stance on abortion, you choose the state that fits you. It may result in us solving a lot of

02:51:10.880 the federal level problems. I don't know if it's the solution, but, but I don't know, I guess we can,

02:51:14.520 unless there's anything else you wanted to add before we wrap up and wind down.

02:51:17.660 Yeah, no, just, uh, go out there and, and engage and don't be careful about trusting leaders, whether

02:51:24.540 it's Biden or Trump, right? And mainstream media will tell you, oh, Biden's an angel, Nancy Pelosi.

02:51:30.240 Here's a last example. And then we'll wrap. Okay. Like in the old days, the Republicans told you,

02:51:36.080 trust Mitch McConnell and, and then, and then the, uh, Democrats and mainstream media would say,

02:51:42.400 no way he's taking a billion dollars from corporate. He's evil. Right. And we all agree

02:51:46.820 Mitch McConnell's evil. Right. But the Republicans would defend him. And then you turn to Nancy Pelosi.

02:51:50.940 She's taking the same exact billion dollars. Okay. And then corporate media tells you the

02:51:55.960 Democrats that she's an angel, but they got Democrats to believe it. Like that when Nancy Pelosi and other

02:52:01.780 corporate Democrats take corporate money, oh, they're not going to help the, the, those guys.

02:52:07.320 They're just doing it coincidentally. Yeah. No brothers and sisters. I hate to break your heart

02:52:11.920 because you like these people, right? The Democrats love Pelosi and Biden and they have like, they have

02:52:16.520 this emotional attachment to them, but a billion dollars is a billion dollars. And ExxonMobil and

02:52:20.960 Pfizer don't give you money for your health. They give it to buy you and to bribe you. So it's the

02:52:26.000 same for Pelosi, the same for McConnell. And I give the right wing, uh, credit here. You guys got

02:52:31.060 on to McConnell and the rest of the phonies before the Democrats have fully figured out

02:52:37.020 that their side has is filled to the room with phonies too. Yeah. Right on. Uh, it's been a

02:52:42.080 blast, man. Thanks for hanging out. I really do appreciate it. Thanks for having me, Tim. I

02:52:44.820 appreciate it. Jank for America.com. We, we didn't get, we didn't do a WWE style screaming match like

02:52:49.780 everybody wanted, but I think this is more important. And I hope that, uh, you know, I hope we can

02:52:54.620 solve problems, uh, and bring people together. And I, I want everyone to disagree with,

02:53:01.060 everything you've taken, every stance you've had that they disagree with. And I want them to

02:53:04.980 recognize if we can agree on anything and solve those problems, let's get that out of the way.

02:53:08.580 And if that's, I mean, world war three, I think is a great thing to try and avoid.

02:53:12.220 So, uh, anyway, thanks for hanging out, man. Thank you, Tim. And for everybody,

02:53:16.080 thanks for hanging out too. This was fun. We'll see y'all next time.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - October 27, 2023

The Culture War #35 - Tim Pool & Cenk Uygur, Cenk Running For President 2024

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