In this episode of the First Culture War on Tenet Media podcast, we talk with political philosopher Trevor Loudon and comedian Haz Alden about the origins of MAGA Communism and the counter-meme, "Well, if you're going to vote for Trump, then you need to be a communist" meme, which is a term coined by a fellow YouTuber and geopolitical analyst known as "The Infrared Show" and coined by the "Dark Brandon" thread on the internet called "Well If You're Going to Vote For Trump, Then You Need to Be a Communist." The point of the thread was to point out that the Democratic Party was not the only party with a pro-Marxist agenda, but rather a party with an anti-Communist agenda. We also discuss the role of the internet as a tool for spreading leftist ideas and ideas, and the role that the internet plays in facilitating the spread of these ideas, as well as the role the internet culture plays in the development of the counter meme, Dark Brandon's "Well if you re a communist then you should vote for Donald Trump" and why it's a good idea to vote Trump. Get ready for Las Vegas-style action at BetmGMG, the king of online casinos, with the same Vegas Strip excitement MGM is famous for when you play classics like MGM Grand, Blackjack, Baccarat, and Roulette. BetMGM and GameSense remind you that you can play responsibly! . BetMGPGMGM and Gambling Ontario only. BetmoGMG is the King of the gambling industry in Ontario, and you can get 20% off the top of your favorite casino game and of the best in the world by becoming a patron of the gaming industry. . . . , betmGMGMGM is betting responsibly with BetmoGambling Ontario to wager Ontario only, and , and more. , you can have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. ! or call ConnectsOntoWager Ontario, the concierge, 1-800-52700-2621-262600, to speak with an advisor FREE of charge, to be sure to call in to get a free consultation, to get the best deal on your gambling tip?
00:01:19.220I consider myself a comedian, a geopolitical analyst, and a political philosopher.
00:01:25.200And I technically coined the term MAGA communism, although it started as a kind of meme within my community.
00:01:32.540I run a show called The Infrared Show, which you can find on YouTube.
00:01:36.800And, you know, I'm here to present and, I think, give a proper introduction to what MAGA communism is all about.
00:01:46.160All right. Well, it should be really interesting, MAGA communism.
00:01:49.320And I think you also have a thread that we'll get into about how Marxism is not woke.
00:01:53.920Right, yes. I also plan on releasing a book soon, which is going to be kind of a complete overview of my philosophical foundation for my views, including that thread that you mentioned.
00:02:41.500You know, I focus a lot on the Marxist influence inside the Democratic Party, inside the government, inside the social movements.
00:02:52.480And I have a blog, Trevor Loudon.com and a website, keywiki.org, which has got 160,000 files of leftists, communists, socialists, radicals from all sorts of areas.
00:03:09.640And so I consider myself, I would have started out as pretty much a classic liberal, but I have a very strong social conservative bent and a very strong national security focus.
00:03:23.580Well, right on. Let's just, we'll get started then.
00:03:46.200Remember that? And it's this kind of, we took it as a kind of like, this is an example of some neo-fascism,
00:03:53.660because we regarded the support for the neo-Nazis in Ukraine by the Democrats, the increasing crackdown on classical liberties as an example of not the only conduit,
00:04:09.820but a significant avenue for the growth of fascism in the United States.
00:04:15.160So the Dark Brandon meme, we saw it as an acknowledgement of that.
00:04:18.060So we created this counter meme. It wasn't like that intentional, but it was spontaneous called,
00:04:24.420well, if you're going to have your Dark Brandon, we're going to have our MAGA communism as like a counter, right?
00:04:30.680Is it seriously meant to convey communist ideals?
00:04:35.040Yes. I think one of the reasons I don't focus too much on the, and it's confused a lot of people,
00:04:39.820the meme aspect of it is because for me, I don't actually see a clear distinction between meme and something serious.
00:04:50.060I think that actually comedy and ironies and things like this convey and express truths more profoundly and correctly
00:04:59.460than something kind of stoically formulated in a dry kind of purely formally consistent way.
00:05:10.420So let's just start here then. I guess when I hear MAGA communism, it sounds like you're saying you're voting for Donald Trump
00:05:16.020and you want a communist system of governance or social order.
00:05:20.700No, no. MAGA communism has little to do with the person of Donald Trump besides him as a kind of mascot.
00:05:28.960We see Trump as a meme basically, but the truth of MAGA communism is that we believe that 2016 for the first time in decades
00:05:38.900in the history of the United States introduced real political distinction and the Schmittian sense of enmity
00:05:46.740because for decades, the Democrats and Republicans, that was not really a political distinction.
00:06:38.320It's just American politics, but articulated in a grassroots and non-institutionalized form.
00:06:47.800So, of course, anti-communist ideas prevail among MAGA.
00:06:50.700Of course, many other GOP and Democrat conceptions prevail among MAGA.
00:06:56.580But the key thing is that the foundation of these ideas is no longer based in the hegemonic institutions.
00:07:02.800It's authentically based in what these people actually believe.
00:07:06.760And therefore, it is a fertile ground for the propagation of ideas, which for a long time could not be propagated because of an institutional barrier.
00:07:22.400Marxism-Leninism, and this is what the origin of communism with a capital C in modern times is, right?
00:07:29.700We can go into the history, but basically everyone was a social democrat or called themselves a socialist before the October Revolution of 1917, which reintroduced the term communism and repopularized it.
00:07:41.900And it was Stalin who canonized this into an ideology called Marxism-Leninism.
00:07:48.700And if you read Stalin's foundations of Leninism, he says the key contribution that Lenin introduces for Marxism is the national question.
00:07:57.960So you see, with socialism in one country, which is kind of Stalin's interpretation of the construction of socialism, Marxism-Leninism is already, in the American context, MAGA.
00:08:12.560It's already America first, when applied to the American context.
00:08:16.480The reason there's been a confusion about this among leftists who call themselves communists is because they are influenced by the Trotskyist strain or the kind of CIA-funded, compatible left, as they say, type of Marxism.
00:08:33.540But Marxism-Leninism, foundationally, is patriotic and national in form.
00:09:32.960There's a big Trotskyist influence there.
00:09:36.100Whereas what we're talking about here is more the masculine side of communism.
00:09:40.340This is Stalinism, you know, Stakhanovite.
00:09:44.820I can never say the word Stakhanovite communism.
00:09:47.860This is a masculine nationalist form of communism, which overlaps to some degree with fascism.
00:09:56.440Dugan was basically trying to unite almost the right wing of communism with the left wing of fascism.
00:10:04.980So what I'm seeing here in this Margaret communist movement is something that draws on Stalinism, uses the national question.
00:10:15.980And national question means that the old original Marxism was, you know, you use the class struggle.
00:10:23.780You know, the workers will rise up and take the control of the means of production from the bosses.
00:10:28.960The nationalities question or the national question is where you find minority populations or racial minorities or religious minorities and you foster a sense of revolution amongst them.
00:10:48.200They will play on, you know, they use the, like in Ireland, they would use the patriotism of the Catholics against the Protestants.
00:10:57.540And, you know, the Stalinists for a long time tried to create a black republic in the south of America by using the sort of nationalist sense amongst the black population.
00:11:10.360So they're doing that with Native Americans now with La Raza, this kind of thing.
00:11:16.900So what I see here, Margaret communism to me is an amalgamation of traditional fascism and communism using nationalism and a strong masculine emphasis,
00:11:31.420which appeals to the young guys who are just sick of the feminine pansy wokeism.
00:12:04.040I think the state should be minimally involved in the economy.
00:12:09.680The only real role of the state is in the judicial system and in national defence.
00:12:18.080So no, I absolutely oppose state ownership of assets.
00:12:23.300I don't like public ownership of assets.
00:12:25.500And that would be, I think, the defining difference between me and Haas is that he sees the role of a strong state, a strong, vigorous state that directs production.
00:15:12.360There is still a centralized oversight of production, but it's what Frederick Engels calls the administration of things and not people.
00:15:20.240So you have a centralized oversight of production, but the necessity of the forceful suppression of opposition, for example, disappears.
00:15:32.000And this is projected to be at the time when the material foundation of the state as an organ of class dictatorship withers away.
00:15:41.020Now, many people doubt that this is possible, and it's somewhat of a theoretical and philosophical question.
00:15:47.080But as relevant now, I don't want the current American government to own more.
00:15:52.580I don't want the current American state to control more.
00:15:56.140What I want is a completely remade state.
00:15:59.740A state fashioned from the ground up based on, yes, local forms of power, amalgamated and centralized to authentically represent the interests of the overwhelming majority.
00:16:13.220And this is where it may surprise you.
00:16:16.340It is a goal for the state to be minimally involved in production.
00:16:20.700Sovereign ownership of the means of production just means that foreigners, that private interests cannot gobble up the resources and land of the country.
00:16:30.360But as to how who manages that land and who sees to its production, this is something, ideally speaking, should be as local as possible.
00:16:42.240This is China's kind of household responsibility system, which did delegate production down to the lowest level, the family level.
00:16:50.600And I think this is true to the aspiration of communism.
00:16:55.360Let's let's we'll start with a very simple question.
00:17:35.020So what about so what's the incentive then for invention if you can't own what you've invented?
00:17:41.320Well, like hide the secrets and make sure no one ever finds out how you did it.
00:17:44.520I believe credit can be given to people and notoriety and fame and do glory can be given to inventors and creative geniuses.
00:17:56.740But one of the things I dislike about intellectual property is that one's product should be good on the merits.
00:18:04.260If someone can simply replicate your product, I don't think this steals anything from you.
00:18:10.080I think they're just I mean, let's try this.
00:18:12.340If if it was if it was legal within the current system for people to take all of my content that I produce and immediately re upload whatever they wanted, I would cease to exist overnight.
00:18:23.340Right. So, for instance, my morning show, the Tim Bull Daily Show, I produce four segments per day and they're not allowed to be taken.
00:18:33.920Right. It's my opinion, my commentary.
00:18:59.660But I think with two things, the advances of technology and a transformation of the financial system.
00:19:05.420See, one of the reasons that content creators rely on intellectual property is they need it to generate revenue.
00:19:11.740The means of generating revenue for someone who's uploading your content to their channel and your channel seem to be the same.
00:19:17.440Right. But with, for example, innovations in the sphere of software technologies like blockchains, there are ways to verify and authenticate the original source of.
00:19:30.260But what does that mean? I mean, if I can't control where, how, how the revenue generation for a piece of content, it doesn't matter if people know it's mine.
00:19:40.160I think, I think it can matter because if we, for example, entering into the fourth industrial revolution in a kind of post commodity money economy,
00:19:49.860your acquisition of wealth could very well be tied to your signature, your blockchain signature, rather than simply some kind of exchange of like views for dollars.
00:20:04.300So you're, you're, you're saying that I would, I, that, that signature is the, is intellectual property.
00:20:09.460If so, so no matter where the content is posted, the revenue comes to me.
00:20:13.440Well, I wouldn't say it's intellectual property because there's nothing preventing someone for just like an NFT, for example,
00:20:19.980there's nothing preventing someone for like downloading the JPEG and doing whatever they want with it.
00:20:25.360What they can't do is fake the signature.
00:20:28.080But what does, what, what does that do for the person who made it?
00:20:31.080It gives, it, it gives you a signature. It, it confirms that it's yours, that this is the original thing.
00:20:36.040But how does it, how does it buy my milk? Right? Milk, bread, and eggs.
00:20:38.580Like, are you saying, look, would the state just give me free food? Is everyone going to get free food or?
00:20:42.500Sure. No, by the way, I don't, to be clear, the version of the communist system of the 20th century with rations and with standardization of basically what everyone gets based on what they do,
00:20:57.700that was a requirement for the goals of those circumstances, which was the immediate modernization of the productive forces from a backward agrarian and feudal economy.
00:21:08.840In a dynamic information-based economy and increasingly decentralized consumer economy, for example,
00:21:16.880it's much more similar to China where there, there isn't this kind of uniform compensation for what you do.
00:21:23.520It's, it is measured based on some, so for example, it can be profit, for example, is a form of the measurability of how successful you are.
00:21:33.560But I think, so let's go back to that point then, specifically on the, on the intellectual property question.
00:21:37.800If I put up a video that takes hours of research and I record a live, you know, 30 minutes,
00:21:44.220and then as soon as it uploads, a hundred other people re-upload it to their, their accounts, you're like, how do I profit from that?
00:21:51.100Are you saying that because the content is verifiably mine, any revenue generated from anyone else just comes to me?
00:21:56.180You have to ask the question, when we're entering into this new type of information economy, it's currently outdated how it works.
00:22:06.180We get revenue in dollars for something, a form of capital that I think is more, worth more than, than money, right?
00:22:16.000Basically, I think clout is more valuable than money today.
00:23:20.180So if, if, if, if you're successful at reaching people based on your content, then you will be compensated with some kind of, uh, you can call it money.
00:23:29.480You could call it, uh, Marx theorized about labor vouchers.
00:23:34.620Labor vouchers is effectively currency with restricted currency.
00:23:38.320Yeah, you can, you, it can be called whatever, but yes, effectively you can be compensated with some kind of means of, uh, acquiring more based on what you put in.
00:23:52.640So then if I, if, if, if the signature only applies to me personally, that means I own that signature and have ownership of the content that I produce.
00:24:01.400Because if it's reposted anywhere, but it all reverts to my signature and compensates me, that means I own the intellectual property.
00:24:28.580What if, what if someone takes the content, uh, inverts the colors, generating a separate key and then directs the key to themselves to generate revenue?
00:24:38.220Would there, would there be an adjudicating force?
00:24:40.920I think, I think, unfortunately, uh, I do believe in a harshness of reality where if this is what people prefer and they like it better, you have to step up your game.
00:24:52.840So the issue is in, in a reality where someone can spoof a key or alter the content in such a way that it's not transformative, doesn't fall under fair use.
00:25:02.160Like they're literally just trying to repurpose the existing content.
00:25:18.040Again, uh, perhaps under the current circumstances, that's the case for all content creators.
00:25:24.600But I think we should be a little more, uh, appreciative of the possibility that in the future, things will not work the same way as they do now.
00:25:33.640Trevor, do you want to jump in on this communism?
00:25:35.860Well, I think this is the main mistake of Marxism.
00:25:38.520They assume that human consciousness is shaped by the material environment.
00:25:43.280So if we can change the material environment, if we can have new technology, human behavior is going to change.
00:26:07.580It was the, it was the derivatives, the stock market, that all these things that were driven by intellectual property, property rights that were not just, you know, a book or a machine or a, or a forest or whatever.
00:26:24.660They were actually intellectual property.
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00:28:12.080And the problem is whenever that the communists will say, well, we're going to change the material form of existence and that's going to change the nature of man.
00:33:31.940Our retirement funds, basically, that's what BlackRock mostly manages, by the way, can calculate already.
00:33:40.840This is how the current so-called capitalist economy works.
00:33:45.200The profitability of a given enterprise determines how much is invested in it.
00:33:50.280So, already, this kind of feedback loop, the foundation and material basis of communism, is already here.
00:33:57.960Now, we don't like ESG scores and how they're being used.
00:34:01.840But that's a question of who controls the means of production, not necessarily a question of the technology itself.
00:34:07.840And thirdly, this is the kind of last point I'd like to say.
00:34:11.020I actually disagree that in the Soviet Union, because of a problem of human nature, there was a lack of incentive.
00:34:17.460I think since the beginning of time that is recorded for human history, a true artist aspires toward glory, recognition, and for their product, for their work to be realized at all costs.
00:34:32.520I believe you are a kind of fan of Ayn Rand.
00:34:57.260It was about an architect who was actually focused on their art above all else, right?
00:35:02.220So, I think when someone engages in the production of art and creativity just for the sake of getting rich, I don't really think that's the sign of a powerful artist.
00:35:14.660I think a powerful artist puts their work before anything.
00:36:03.380I wonder if the real issue is simply cultural.
00:36:05.960If you look back at, man, like the 80s into the 90s, there are so many movies that they're trying to reboot and recreate because we loved them so much.
00:36:15.120And then today, you look at the movies they make and it's like Transformers 12 and, you know, Marvel 16 and just cookie-cutter garbage.
00:36:21.920But if I may say so, you know, I know I'm biased here, but at least this is my opinion and my taste.
00:36:29.900I think an exception standing out to this kind of nostalgia industry, the Disneyfication of all of media, is Chinese cinema, particularly Chinese science fiction.
00:36:40.560I've watched both movies, The Wandering Earth 1 and 2, and people accuse the Chinese cinema of being bland and just kind of blockbuster disaster movies, which it has been maybe for a few decades.
00:36:53.100But I think these movies have a soulfulness and have a kind of spirit to them, which authentically tries to capture the moment we're living in now to envision the future.
00:37:09.580Today, what cinema and what movies really speak to an embrace of the future and the present moment?
00:37:17.320We're trying to go back to the 80s, to our childhood, to the 90s, and we don't have an ability to bravely see through some kind of way to make meaning and beauty out of the future ahead of us.
00:37:29.260So I think communism actually, to me, is a part of that aesthetic striving of having a responsibility before our collective future.
00:37:40.420I think one of the big issues is multiculturalism and the component of it being, you may have seen these videos on Instagram or YouTube where, actually Instagram, massive, no one talks.
00:37:55.220They have, there will be like a woman, a guy will do something, maybe like a magic trick or something like this, and the woman will have this crazy expression on her face because they're trying to convey an emotion without language, because they're trying to appeal to the widest basis, the biggest base imaginable.
00:38:12.720If you make lowest common denominator content, the ideas are all stripped out.
00:38:17.300You're not going to get well thought out linguistic works.
00:38:20.980You're going to get a guy throwing a football at another guy's groin, and then a woman going like, wow, and then everybody, that's going to get more shares because it's not that it's better.
00:38:29.800It's not that it's, it's good artistic content.
00:38:33.400It's that if 90% of any culture hates it, but 10% of every culture likes it, that's going to be more views, more money, more incentive.
00:38:43.180And so determining value is relatively difficult today and trying to figure out how we make good artistic works.
00:38:50.840I wonder if the challenge is simply, this is why my focus is always cultural.
00:38:54.980I don't think there's a governmental or, or, you know, regulatory solution to all the problems people keep complaining about.
00:39:02.600If everybody, I tell people this, communism works 100% very easily, so long as everyone agrees with it.
00:39:10.140The problem is humans don't agree with everything, and you'll always end up with various amounts of dissent.
00:39:16.080The problem for any kind of, any kind of system that seeks to have a purity within it is that there is only one solution to undesirables.
00:39:24.960With a system like, you know, classical liberal constitutional republicanism or these, these fields of liberal values, true liberal, not like modern American liberal, is that we tolerate dissent to varying degrees, which allows people and ideas to compete and then certain ideas improve.
00:39:42.700Can I, can I, can I, can I jump in here?
00:39:44.340Because, look, look, look, you know, Haas is right, you know, in the Soviet era, there were some great movies made.
00:39:52.780The Soviets put a lot of emphasis on culture, but within limits.
00:39:57.640You know, if you were a poet like Pasternak, who talked about, you know, lyricism and beauty and whatever, he was tolerated.
00:40:06.220But anybody who talked about politics or any form that was opposed to Stalin, you went to the camps, like Mandelstam went to the camps, like Akhmatova was.
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00:44:59.920I didn't have a brother and sister or something like that.
00:45:01.700He's like, my friends, I lost all of them.
00:45:04.160And so I thought to myself, here's a guy who is a trained master postman.
00:45:08.700He has every skill we have asked of him.
00:45:11.440He has done everything we as a society have asked of him.
00:45:14.000And then one day we decided he was obsolete.
00:45:16.700And there was no mechanism by which to allow him to continue to function faithfully in society.
00:45:21.200And so I thought to myself, like, well, we can't have that.
00:45:24.880If there are people who have jobs that become obsolete, and then for that they now have no access to society's resources, we are going to get violence and revolution and chaos when jobs start to disappear.
00:45:37.680I'm not saying I have an answer for this.
00:45:39.620I'd say that's something that gave me pause and made me wonder, like, what do we do to solve a problem like that?
00:45:49.660I have an answer to that, but it has us.
00:45:52.300I'd like to briefly respond to actually what both of you have said regarding liberalism and Marxism and so on.
00:45:59.840And I think I can condense this into one point.
00:46:03.220You know, one of the things I probably disagree with, and it's maybe ironic because it's the communists in America who are thought of as utopians and idealists.
00:46:12.060I actually consider myself a pragmatist and a materialist, which means I believe in getting things done.
00:46:18.680I believe in a sobering acceptance of reality as it is, not as I want it to be.
00:46:23.300And part of that means I have to appreciate, for example, I cannot accept this notion of a pure liberalism, which I think is at the root of much of this disagreement.
00:46:35.120It may have been true, as you said before, that liberalism promotes this ability to kind of be outside the system, maybe, and disagree with the hegemony of some kind.
00:46:48.100But it's because of the contradictions of liberalism itself that we have entered the kind of authoritarianism, which I think you misidentify as Marxism.
00:46:59.360What you call Marxism is a result of liberalism's own contradictions.
00:47:11.160And once you have, for example, perceived sociological, cultural, even economic, political structures which stand in the way of this liberal freedom, these become enemies of the liberal society.
00:47:25.780The conservative family becomes an enemy of liberal society.
00:47:29.800The remnants of cultural differences between different groups becomes an enemy of liberal society.
00:47:35.720Because remember, it's a value of liberalism, radical liberalism, that all distinctions of the standing in the way between individuals dissolves, and one is just an individual.
00:47:48.280All collective identities, all collective forms of existence are regarded as an obstacle to the realization of the total freedom.
00:47:57.620So, paradoxically, liberalism, whose value is libertarian and letting people do what they want, becomes its opposite, authoritarianism.
00:48:09.520And Dugan, I don't agree with the view that I am just an American Duganist.
00:48:14.280No, I don't say just, but I'm saying there's an influence.
00:48:19.760And one of the influences I think he renders quite succinctly that liberalism must become itself the ultimate totalitarianism, because this abstract notion of freedom, because it's not concrete freedom, befitting of a concrete existence of a people, it's just abstract freedom of the individual, must actually become totalitarian and enforce this freedom at the expense of our human nature, I think.
00:48:47.860So, the wokeness in Hollywood and the kind of cheapening of – also, you mentioned in the 50s and 60s, this is the golden age of liberalism.
00:48:59.400But I disagree, because in the 50s and 60s, remember, this is fresh off the boat of the New Deal, and actually the response to the failure of liberalism in 1929.
00:49:11.100And paradoxically, with neoliberalism, the economic liberalization of the economy, that's when we got all of this kind of cultural authoritarianism and restrictions.
00:49:21.360That – and everyone knows the 80s were way better.
00:49:31.100You know, the government should be bound down by the chains of the Constitution.
00:49:38.080That has economic benefits and that establishes a system of property ownership, property rights protection, right to self-defense, Second Amendment, et cetera.
00:49:48.400But that is not – but that doesn't mean you don't have social institutions.
00:50:13.020You know, that was when basically the communists ran Hollywood – the communists ran the Roosevelt administration.
00:50:19.840They set up the Works Progress Administration, which flooded the country with thousands of left-wing writers and socialists, et cetera, which had a very bad effect on the culture.
00:50:31.980Look, it is not about – the economics isn't the key factor here.
00:50:38.400The key factor is human liberty, and human liberty cannot be guaranteed in any form of collective system, whether it's fascism, socialism, communism.
00:50:49.240Human liberty can only be guaranteed in a constitutional system where the government is limited to its bare functions, which is national defense, suppression of crime, justice system, et cetera.
00:51:49.120In a private setting, in a private club, you should be able to say what you want to say.
00:51:54.520So the reason I bring this up is going back to the 50s and 60s and 70s, and even to the 80s, it has been a gradual transformation in our culture to allow more and more of what culturally we would describe as obscene to the point now where we have child drag shows.
00:52:13.000It's children ripping their clothes off on stage for cash.
00:52:15.140So there's a—I hear a lot of this, you know, both from you, Haz, you know, and Trevor.
00:52:21.200And to me, everything just comes back to is a group of people aligned culturally?
00:52:27.660If every—if you had 100 people and they were all communists, pure, genuine communists working with each other, you've got no issues.
00:52:36.560In fact, there's actually a commune in the United States that caps out at 100 people.
00:52:40.760If someone leaves, they'll allow someone to come in.
00:52:43.240If people don't tolerate the communist structure, they ask them to leave and replace them with someone else.
00:52:48.880And it functions well because they've culturally homogenized their community.
00:52:53.380In the United States, we can talk about all the great works that were happening, but it was enforced cultural homogenization in that it's not absolutely right.
00:53:57.500But when you get legislation, which you did in the Soviet Union, which you do now in China—you know, in China you can be a Christian, but the Bible is actually changed to worship the state, not Jesus.
00:54:13.840You can do all sorts of things in China as long as it's within the parameters.
00:54:19.260I am saying for free individual adults, there should be no legal parameters on their behavior as long as it does not hurt anyone else or endanger the national security of the country.
00:54:32.860But in a communist system, there is none of that.
00:55:14.040So I'm trying to figure out how we legally define what—I obviously have my opinions on it, but I'm curious, like, what about a child, you know, putting on this makeup, acting in adult manners and pulling their clothes off, would you define as the line legally?
00:55:32.460Like that the law should intervene and say you cannot engage in this behavior.
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00:57:12.680The issue for me, I'll break it down, is you've got 10-year-olds on stage at adult bars where it's 21 to enter, but they have special laws that allow children to perform and then leave.
00:57:23.600And they have little boys ripping their clothes off, revealing still more clothes, but it is the act of stripping down to like shorts or t-shirts as men throw money at them.
00:57:35.240I personally believe, I'm not a staunch libertarian or anarchist or anything like that.
00:57:40.260I believe that many of our laws are rooted in strong moral systems, which is why there are certain limits to when parents have rights and when the state has rights.
00:57:49.840So, does the state have a right to force a medical treatment on a child in defiance of the parents?
00:58:00.120If we said a kid was dying because their parents were trying to enforce veganism on them and they were protein deficient and malnourished, we would definitely want some authority to come in and be like, you've got to give the kid meat.
00:58:13.520But what if the parents are trying to, the parents are refusing, say, like a gender transition, and then the state decides for the betterment of the child, we are going to intervene.
00:58:22.480We, you know, at least we here at Timcast, I'd say absolutely not.
00:58:27.100The state should not enforce and mandate that on parents.
00:58:29.100So, there really is a cultural and more individually communal-based morality around when we want the state to intervene.
00:58:39.540And this is the beauty of the federal system because you have different cultures in different areas.
00:58:44.960And certain areas, they have ordinances against strip clubs.
01:35:18.200To places people are living and actually appraise their thoughts, their feelings, their mood and their consciousness with regard to her lockdown measures.
01:35:30.840And if she did that, she would have been able to very easily understand.
01:35:42.680The mass line means, let me finish, you formulate your policy and you formulate your response to a given event based on your understanding of where the masses stand.
01:35:52.260And the masses in Michigan stood opposed to what Gretchen Whitmer was doing.
01:37:13.000Who are the representatives of the people?
01:37:15.620The communists are the representatives of the people.
01:37:18.540So therefore, democracy is the will of the Communist Party.
01:37:22.520So the mass line is exactly what we saw in Black Lives Matter, a Maoist Chinese communist operation with deep connections to the Chinese consulate in San Francisco, run by the Freedom Road Socialist Organization and Liberation Road.
01:37:38.900It was completely enforced because real mass line in the real world is the imposition of the mass line from above through Tedros and the World Health Organization, a Chinese puppet, through Susan Mickey, a member of the British Communist Party who now runs the World Health Organization's social conformity unit.
01:38:03.040What we saw through the transgender movement, through the COVID, was Chinese mass line forced on this country through subservient politicians and pro-Chinese communist slave unions.
01:38:19.140This is contradicted by a cursory examination of the facts, okay?
01:38:23.660In China today, you go to a rural peasant who is more outside of the reach of the central government, and they're hanging a picture of Mao on their wall.
01:38:32.700And part of the reason of Xi Jinping's rise and his kind of neo-Maoism was a grassroots populum.
01:38:38.240So I completely reject the notion, and I think expert historians will probably reject the notion that the Cultural Revolution mass line was synthetically created in the Congress.
01:38:49.000But just to clarify, you're saying that a rural Chinese peasant will hang pictures of Mao in reverence?
01:38:55.980Is it possible that it's because they killed anyone who wouldn't?
01:38:58.600No, because it's the same in Russia today, long after Stalinism, even in the history of the Soviet Union and today.
01:39:05.120There's no Stalinist power ruling Russia today, right?
01:39:08.360There's no repression of people against Stalin.
01:39:10.720See what people in Moscow are saying, these liberals in Moscow.
01:39:14.220You go to the remote regions of Russia, those are the Stalinists.
01:39:17.600It's the ordinary people who revere Stalin.
01:39:20.040So the same thing is actually true in China.
01:39:21.980So the notion of the communist mass line just being the imposition of the Communist Party institution, that was the very thing Mao conceived.
01:39:31.640That was the very problem Mao was working against with the mass line.
01:39:38.820It's called The Unknown Cultural Revolution by Dong Ping Han.
01:39:41.860And in it, you'll find eyewitness accounts, and this guy is some kind of dissident in China today, but he records eyewitness accounts, records, and historical data that shows actually the Cultural Revolution was a populist uprising of Chinese peasants.
01:39:56.540It was the imposition of a people's dictatorship over the kind of bureaucracy of the party.
01:40:03.000Do you know how many people died in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution?
01:40:07.400Uh, there's no way of knowing for certain.
01:40:10.220There's the Black Book of Communism estimate.
01:40:12.380The problem with the Black Book of Communism is that two of the three authors who participated in compiling it disavowed it later and said that the editor was obsessed with reaching a total of 100 million just because-
01:40:25.800Yeah, some say it could be 5 to 50 million.
01:40:29.620Regarding the famines in both the Soviet Union and in China, yes, many people died, yes.
01:40:35.480Do you believe the story of the sparrows and the pig iron in China?
01:40:39.080Do you think those are historically accurate?
01:40:40.940Uh, they may be contributing factors, but overall the reasons for famine in both the Soviet Union and China was two things.
01:40:47.760A combination, the most important one, I'll rank them in order, was the rapid transition to the modernization of agriculture from a pre-modern agrarian society.
01:40:57.420That caused a disruption in the food supply because it happened in a very rapid, condensed time period, right?
01:41:04.560So central planning changed how they were-
01:41:07.600Not just central planning, but see, rapid modernizations of agriculture, if you look historically, have led to the worst calamities everywhere, including in non-communist states.
01:41:17.560Because accompanying English industrialization, we had the Irish potato famine, which killed more as a proportion of the Irish population than did Mao's greatly for it.
01:41:26.200You're saying the potato famine was the result of modernization?
01:43:03.040In America, we had something called the American system, which originates with Alexander Hamilton and which Abraham Lincoln upheld in the apex and foundation of American industrialization, which was deliberate centralized state policy for public credit to deliberately inspire technological innovation and industrialization from the top down.
01:43:34.520The Soviet Union, before it was even formed, after their revolution, literally half the world invaded the former Russian Empire to destroy the Bolsheviks.
01:43:44.120So Stalin in 1931, he said, we have 10 years to catch up militarily and in terms of our industrial economy, just 10 years, or we get buried by the world.
01:44:02.300They had to do this if they wanted to retain their sovereignty.
01:44:05.680And to say that I think there's no meaningfulness to the millions who perished, no, of course, it's one of the most worst calamities in the history of those countries.
01:44:16.220But you have to understand their necessity.
01:44:45.820I mean, but a lot of that is part of what you mentioned earlier, which is the kind of unwritten cultural kind of thing.
01:44:53.960But if you go on stage, you get attacked or something.
01:44:57.500So in the Great Leap Forward, in the Cultural Revolution, if you are directly challenging these plans and what Mao was doing, would that negatively impact your life?
01:45:07.960I couldn't say because there was so much chaos during that period that even people who were fervently pro-Mao, this is part of the horrible tragedy.
01:45:17.240So you're saying that those photos we have of the struggle sessions and everything, those could have been pro-Mao?
01:47:15.800There's no actual real cause or real unifying belief people are devoted to.
01:47:20.460When someone calls you, for example, transphobic, they're not saying you are standing in the way of the glorious people's triumph or something.
01:47:29.800They're saying, well, you're just personally a bad person.
01:49:11.500It's just kind of seamlessly understood or conceived to be like, oh, I'm a normal person, right?
01:49:18.340The Red Guards, for all their faults, right, at least were devoted to one cause, one ideology, and most importantly, even if they failed in doing it, authentically giving expression to the will of their people.
01:49:34.200Woke people don't care about doing that.
01:49:36.340So here's the bad news, I guess, for you.
01:49:38.940I think that, you know, I'm not going to pretend that I know what's true or not in terms of conspiracy or stuff.
01:49:45.060But it is fascinating to me that you've got powerful interests in the intelligence agencies that are very, very pro-woke.
01:49:50.180And they have aligned wokeness with communism because the end result of much of the policies or ideas of wokeness is depopulation.
01:49:59.900I am not saying that there is a depopulation agenda.
01:50:02.380I'm saying if you are woke, you are more likely to be for abortion.
01:50:06.040You are more likely to be for practices that will result in the sterilization of children.
01:50:11.520Ultimately, what we're seeing now is that conservatives are more likely to have children and leftists are substantially less likely to have children.
01:50:17.960The further you go left, the lower the chances of having kids will be.
01:50:22.220Now, the right is concerned that indoctrination in schools will help leftists overcome this shortfall generationally.
01:51:34.740Monopoly capital wants to stifle the growth of human beings, civilization and other entrepreneurs in order to maintain its hold on rents, in order to maintain its power.
01:51:44.720So I think that's easy to explain, actually, from a Marxist lens.
01:51:48.680And so what I disagree with when we say that wokeism is similar to Marxism, where there's some kind of-
01:51:58.240There's economic and there's cultural.
01:51:59.320Well, I completely disagree because while in academia there was an exploration of Marxist ideas in the 50s through the 70s and then ran out of favor and was replaced by the kind of postmodern Foucault and so on, who were actually more influenced by people like Nietzsche and these not really Marx, right?
01:52:19.760Marx is considered, by the way, Marx, like orthodox in a sense, he's outdated, he's patriarchal, he's Eurocentric, he's cis-hetero-patriarchical, whatever.
01:52:30.540He himself is just critiqued in academia.
01:52:33.740But the connection to Marxism only is this very vague, very ambiguous kind of commitment to freedom and-
01:52:42.380Well, it's- are you familiar with the origin of critical race theory?
01:52:44.960Yes, but this was as a critical race theory, not many people know this, began as a rejection of Marxism, which elevated the class struggle as the principle-
01:53:00.320She specifically wrote in the book, Critical Race Theory, that Marx was right and he didn't- but what he missed from the American context was that racial politics played a major role in oppressor versus oppression, whereas Marx's view was economic.
01:53:14.960She said you can't deny the race-based component in the United States, therefore, building off of Marx's critical theory, we must add the component of race to it.
01:53:23.080But making oppressor and oppressed the fundamental basis is not Marxist.
01:53:28.060That comes from the legacy of radical liberalism.
01:53:30.680Marxism is about understanding objective historical laws and social contradictions, which is not reducible to some simplistic oppressor-oppressed.
01:53:40.260That's liberalism because liberalism was primarily focused on getting rid of explicit political structures.
01:53:47.080Marxism is more focused on understanding how the development of the mode of production and the relations of production actually condition the political superstructure.
01:54:05.880The Marxist movement, and I talk about the communist movement, the communist movement is transgenderism, the communist movement is Black Lives Matter, because it's the destructive movement in the West that wants to break down the social structures to replace it with their social structures.
01:54:22.720You look at critical race theory, it was absolutely invented by communist party members.
01:54:29.080The concept of white privilege was invented by Ted Allen and Noel Ignatib, two members of the Communist Party USA, who then went into the Provisional Organising Committee, a Maoist group.
01:54:40.880You look at Ted Hay, the founder of the modern gay movement, was a communist party member.
01:54:52.480All the radical gay movements in this country now are controlled by Marxists.
01:54:57.720But it sounds like what you're saying is that communists are using these things to destroy the system.
01:55:05.040This is not representative of what they actually want in the end.
01:55:07.260No, they, well, to replace the system, you know, to transform the system, like Obama said, you have to destroy the existing social structures.
01:55:48.860So during Occupy Wall Street, in the early days, it was eclectic.
01:55:53.960There were conservatives, libertarians, leftists, liberals, socialists, communists.
01:55:57.000Some of the principal organisers who eventually took over the movement, pushed everyone else out, centralised all the power within themselves, told me that our goal is to flip the pyramid.
01:56:07.300And I said, okay, now the average person might take that to mean the bourgeois ultra-elites get put on the bottom and the working class is on top.
01:56:57.720There's also something I want to speak to with regarding the communist infiltration.
01:57:00.900But, you know, Marxism doesn't say the poorest members of society are the revolutionary class.
01:57:07.860The poorest members of society are the lumpen.
01:57:10.060If you understand, you know, the term lumpen proletariat, the criminals, the vagabonds, homeless, drug dealers, addicts, and so on and so on.
01:57:43.260Marxism is about understanding a class struggle already existing before Marxism.
01:57:48.540I want to speak to what you mentioned about communist infiltration, so-called.
01:57:52.460Look, to the extent that there's the communists or the transgender movement and BLM, I can personally attest that that is only to the extent that they have compromised with the ruling class.
01:58:26.020Lenin is someone who arose in distinction because he recognized the treachery of the social democrats who sold out to the system.
01:58:34.620And the same thing happened with Gorbachev, the same thing happened with the CPUSA, Angela Davis, the Committees for Correspondence, which wanted to overthrow the hardline communists and have a Gorbachev-style liberal democratic reform.
01:58:48.000So these people you mentioned are just the traitors who sold out to the ruling class.
01:58:55.040Look, you've got Michael Kinchner out in Phoenix, Democratic Socialists of America now, who boasts how he got inside the Boy Scouts and changed the policy.
01:59:06.340He did this inside the Boy Scouts to change their policy from no homosexuals allowed to admitting homosexuals.
01:59:56.540It literally originated in France relating to urban charters for people who owned businesses.
02:00:00.860The bourgeoisie started out small, yes.
02:00:03.140But what it has concretely evolved into is what Lenin would describe an imperialist bourgeoisie or a monopoly bourgeoisie.
02:00:10.020And Lenin actually doesn't identify – he makes a distinction.
02:00:13.320He says there is a petty bourgeoisie, which can be an ally of the proletarian movement and actually should be an ally of them because they have an interest in overthrowing the ruling bourgeoisie.
02:00:25.620I'm going to tell you the issue I take.
02:00:26.520The issue I take is I use a general academic term for a certain class.
02:00:32.300And then when I say here's at least generally, you said, okay, well, Marx says something different about it.
02:00:37.160So, look, are we talking about the same thing or –
02:00:40.420So, I want to just be clear about what I think.
02:00:42.480I don't think people who own mom-pop shops are part of the same class as the oligarchical elites.
02:00:47.700This is the issue I take with modern leftism and even what's happening now is racism means something different.
02:00:53.180Bourgeoisie means something different.
02:00:54.240It means whatever we need it to mean for our political ends.
02:00:56.100It means what the book says if you read the books.
02:00:57.900No, it doesn't mean what the book says.
02:00:59.920It means a word represents an idea that we can use to communicate certain issues.
02:01:03.260If you want to pull up the great Soviet encyclopedia on the petty bourgeoisie, even Wikipedia will show you.
02:01:09.660Right, so if I say a word and then you say my book says this word means something different, this is the obfuscation of words for the purpose of winning a political debate.
02:01:16.540Hold on, let's just clarify what we mean.
02:01:45.280You're trying to say that because I reject the view that the bourgeoisie concretely that we're talking about is the ma and pa shop, this means I'm obfuscating words.
02:01:54.980When I said the definition of bourgeoisie, you could have said that actually is the traditional academic view of bourgeoisie.
02:02:00.360In Marxism, however, instead you said, no, you're wrong.
02:02:03.480Okay, so you're upset that words can mean different things in different contexts.
02:02:06.740No, I'm upset that the left typically changes the definition of words to suit their political ends.
02:02:10.240Well, look, I think anyone who just uses words in different contexts, which everyone, regardless of their political alignment, does, I just think this is just an unfair kind of characterization of what I'm trying to say.
02:02:22.220Look, the typical thing is racism here.
02:02:25.840To most Americans, racism means unwarranted prejudice against somebody because of their color or ethnic background.
02:02:33.460Racism to a Marxist means the power structure.
02:02:38.820So it means that a certain segment of society, usually racially based, oppresses another segment of society.
02:02:48.400So you can get a black football player on $40 million a year who is oppressed and is suffering racism by some white guy on food stamps.
02:02:58.820Racism means something totally different to a Marxist than it does to most of us.
02:03:04.100Democracy means something totally different.
02:03:06.820And as to your point about infiltration, I'm going to do some promotion here because I write books about Marxists in government.
02:03:14.840I say in these books, security risk senators, I profile 30 currently serving U.S. senators who are involved with Communist Party USA, Democratic Socialists of America, Iran, China, Cuba, and North Korea.
02:03:29.500Yeah, Patty Murray out of Washington State, deeply involved with the Communist Party USA for decades.
02:03:38.560And how powerful is this person, you're saying?
02:03:40.920Well, she's one of the third-ranked Democrats in the Senate.
02:03:43.560And you're saying that she is currently in the Communist Party USA?
02:05:05.020I will do the struggle session and the self-criticism myself.
02:05:08.060I repent for refusing to draw equivalence between the meaning of the bourgeoisie as it applies to France in the 1600s and the bourgeoisie today.
02:05:17.540And the general definition used by regular people to convey an idea and you arguing the definition was wrong for the sake of your ideology.
02:05:44.040Bourgeoisie academically has a meaning that is what people are trying to convey an idea to make an argument.
02:05:48.080Academically speaking, that's the technicality.
02:05:50.860If you want to be an academic, you have to consult the literature and the literature states that the bourgeoisie, typically speaking, is referring to the hegemonic or big bourgeoisie.
02:06:00.280The petty bourgeoisie is a different classification.
02:06:28.940So you're saying the academic community in the contemporary context refers to the bourgeoisie as the 1700s French burger class?
02:06:37.360Like when we're conveying a general idea and we seek to look up a definition to better understand it and we read a general view of it, it has a meaning.
02:31:22.720I'm just trying to say, yes, Obama did draw a new platform because of overwhelming dissatisfaction with the hegemonic Democrat and Republican positions.
02:31:33.740Remember, he was running against Hillary Clinton, a mainstream Democrat, in 2008.
02:38:36.440George Soros was allowed to leave Soviet-occupied Hungary, travel through Soviet-occupied Austria out to the west.
02:38:45.000How would someone who'd worked with a Nazi collaborator be allowed to do that had they not made a deal with the authorities?
02:38:50.920There's one missing piece of that puzzle.
02:38:54.020Why did George Soros use his money to participate in the color revolution, the springtime of peoples of the 80s,
02:39:01.120which took down the communist states of the Warsaw Pact?
02:39:04.520No, what it did was set up civil institutions in those places to preserve socialist thought.
02:39:11.220We have this illusion with George Soros and his Open Societies Institute that he fought communism in Eastern Europe.
02:39:18.200He set up institutions which were then colonized by socialists to keep the socialist dream alive.
02:39:24.860In this country and everywhere around the world, he supported the left everywhere you go.
02:39:29.840So I think there's this kind of gap of terminology because I want to give you my perspective.
02:39:33.560If I'm a Romanian factory worker, and socialism for me means I have a job, there's infrastructure, there's a source of living for me,
02:39:42.780I can have some kind of family, the baseline of my needs are met, and that's the socialist system,
02:39:47.960and then suddenly all of that is overthrown, and there's a neoliberal hellscape where my daughters are being trafficked into sex trafficking,
02:39:54.960everything becomes privatized, I can't afford anything, I can't get by with any job, I have to move and migrate out.
02:40:01.820I mean, you can say, oh, that's also, so that's socialist thought, that's also socialism.
02:40:06.840Well, like, in content, materially speaking, why would you call that the same thing?