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00:00:57.060 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the Culture War podcast. This is our, uh, not our last show of

00:01:02.040 the year. We actually have another show next week, but that will, that's a prerecord. So this one is

00:01:06.280 going to be live and we're gonna be talking about civil war, World War III, foreign policy, national

00:01:10.880 security, and there's a lot of stuff going on in the world, especially right now with, this is really

00:01:15.400 funny, I did a search, because you know I love to, for civil war, and one of the top stories was

00:01:20.220 Donald Trump removed from ballot in Colorado. Nothing in that story referenced in any way civil war,

00:01:27.060 apparently, what's up? Nothing? We're good? Okay. Apparently, enough people searched for civil

00:01:32.620 war and clicked this story about Donald Trump's removal that there is a clear correlation here.

00:01:38.440 So, uh, we'll, we'll talk about a little bit of everything related to issues of national and

00:01:43.220 international security. Joining us today to talk about all of this is Eric Prince.

00:01:48.040 Nice to meet you, Jim.

00:01:48.620 Nice, nice to meet you. Who are you? What do you do?

00:01:52.180 Um, well, born and raised in Michigan, uh, Navy vet. I was in the SEAL teams for a few years,

00:01:58.320 built a business called Blackwater, a private military contractor, sold that in 210, um,

00:02:05.100 moved to the Middle East, uh, worked on a project that ended Somali piracy,

00:02:10.720 and I've done some investing in frontier markets since then. And, um, now I've developed a new phone.

00:02:16.480 Oh, cool. Right on. But needless to say, I think when it comes to issues of national and

00:02:21.620 international security, you're, uh, you're an expert. I don't know if I'm an expert,

00:02:25.500 but I have a lot of scars and I have a lot of experience and I've seen what worked in the many

00:02:29.440 things that governments try that do not work consistently. Right on. We'll, we'll definitely

00:02:33.940 talk about that. Phil Labonte is joining us as well. Hi everybody. My name is Phil Labonte,

00:02:37.420 lead singer of all that remains anti-communist counter-revolutionary cheers. Right on. Well,

00:02:42.140 let's just jump right into it. Uh, the easy buzz topic is, you know, with Donald Trump's removal

00:02:47.240 in, uh, from the ballot in Col in Colorado, now there's discussions in California to remove them.

00:02:52.140 They've already had, uh, numerous efforts. There is once again, and, and this has happened quite a

00:02:56.800 bit, especially, you know, we talk about it, civil war trending on Twitter or X or whatever. And, uh,

00:03:01.760 a lot of people asking this question, especially with, I don't know if you saw the trailer for this

00:03:05.700 new film that's coming out next year, civil war. So, you know, not, not to say that, uh, you would

00:03:11.640 be an expert on what's happening in the United States and predicting the future, but you certainly

00:03:15.100 have experience in foreign countries. And I'm curious, just kicking off the, kicking off this

00:03:20.000 conversation, do you see any kind of analogs correlations or is there, is there something

00:03:24.880 you've seen overseas in military conflict that relates to what we're seeing now in the United States?

00:03:29.100 Well, in 1860, um, 10 Democrat slaveholding States, uh, removed Lincoln from the ballot,

00:03:38.780 which then resulted in a civil war when they seceded from the union, which didn't want to, uh,

00:03:45.400 threaten slavery. So, uh, it's, uh, it's a really bad practice for the Dems to try to do this.

00:03:52.920 It is for all their claims of trying to protect democracy in the Republic. It's quite antithetical

00:03:58.680 to it. What I would say from a, a civil war corollary, I have friends in, um, what was Yugoslavia,

00:04:07.560 which kind of blew up as a country in 91, um, Serbia versus Croatia and Slovenia and Bosnia.

00:04:16.440 And their experience was, it was shocking how quickly it, um, it went tribal and, uh, and everything

00:04:25.400 that people had expected to be normal stopped, whether it's utilities, water, electrical food

00:04:32.820 supply. Um, it, it rapidly devolved into an extremely violent, uh, hell, which lasted for many

00:04:41.200 years. So for people to say, ah, you know, remember the, the first battle of, um, Manassas,

00:04:49.280 you had tourists that came out from Washington thinking that it was going to see, they're

00:04:54.740 thinking tourists from Washington, thinking, thinking they were going to see these rebels

00:04:58.120 spanked, um, by the proud union army. And the reality is the union got their ass handed

00:05:04.140 to them that day. And, and so people can flippantly say, yeah, civil war. And it's not something to be

00:05:11.960 toyed with. It's not something any of us should want because it would be a lot of people will die.

00:05:19.300 There'll be an enormous suffering. And this, yes, America suffers from affluenza. Um, yes, certainly,

00:05:27.580 but, um, uh, this can be solved at the ballot box was not solved with a cartridge box.

00:05:34.040 Yeah, I completely agree. And I think, you know, that, that's why I'm often, uh, I often say

00:05:38.780 the last thing we want is violence. And in fact, I would argue that the people removing Trump from

00:05:44.540 the ballot, these establishment forces want violence. This is an act of desperation. Trump's

00:05:50.460 skyrocketing in the polls. You've got young people now swinging towards Trump in a lot of different

00:05:55.660 polls, which is shocking. You've got Trump with a massive advantage in swing States among voters who

00:06:01.280 did not vote in 2020. So tremendous advantage. Yeah. I think, I think the ballot box is the path

00:06:06.260 forward. That being said, you brought up the first point Democrats in 1860 removed Abraham Lincoln

00:06:12.980 from the ballot. They did not want him to win in 10 States, 10 States. And the reason was they feared

00:06:19.140 it would be the end of slavery for them. You had a, you had a, I think it was, there was, there were

00:06:23.360 four candidates. Abraham Lincoln's position was no new slavery, but, uh, officially he wasn't saying

00:06:29.260 he wanted to end slavery at all. He was just saying in the new territories, as they become States,

00:06:32.240 we will not allow this. There were, there were other candidates. There was one candidate. I forget

00:06:35.820 their names, but he's just like, nah, I'm not going to address the issue at all. We're going to ignore

00:06:38.640 this one. There was one candidate. Uh, I believe the Democrat actually was like, we should allow it

00:06:43.480 in the new territories. Abraham Lincoln was actually more of the, like somewhat neutral.

00:06:48.400 Those who have it can keep it for the new territories. We won't do it. The fear of course

00:06:52.740 was he's full of it. The moment he gets in, it's going to be full scale banning of slavery.

00:06:57.160 So of course they removed him. And then before he even took office after the election,

00:07:01.500 I believe it was, was seven States seceded. And so this is before he was even president.

00:07:07.220 So as, as much as I agree, there's, there's a solution there. There is still that fear

00:07:10.920 historically that, you know, Donald Trump gets elected in November. And then I don't know about

00:07:15.720 secession because I think that was a particularly unique circumstance in terms of history.

00:07:20.160 But I, I, I fear that, uh, come November, no matter what happens, we will not have a resolution

00:07:25.920 to the, to the election process. No, look the, one of the great things, when you look at the

00:07:31.680 constitution, our founding fathers were real geniuses because they, they foresaw so many of

00:07:38.800 the predictable things that established vested interests would try to pursue. And, and as a country,

00:07:45.740 we've screwed up the farther and farther we veered from what the original constitution was.

00:07:49.980 Think about, um, direct election of senators. It used to be, it used to be that state

00:07:55.880 legislatures, uh, would vote for each Senator so that the Senator was beholden to the state.

00:08:01.260 Now senators are beholden to whatever the three to five huge interest groups that fund their,

00:08:07.000 their campaigns are terrible. Yep. In 1913, I, I don't think we've grown Congress,

00:08:14.280 the number of, of legislatures, uh, of congressmen still 435. That's the same. It's been since 1913

00:08:22.040 when the country was less than half the size. So if we want a representative Congress, we,

00:08:27.420 and as much as I hate to say it, we actually should add more congressional people. Yeah.

00:08:33.560 Maybe keep their, maybe keep their staff size the same, but let them instead of representing every six

00:08:39.460 or 700, 800,000 people make it 400,000. So they're actually much more responsive to smaller. And that

00:08:46.280 would, when you look at the electoral map of who voted, um, uh, for which party, uh, rural and normal

00:08:55.040 America obviously votes one direction. And in that, in the more concentrated, um, these, these, um,

00:09:02.720 positions become in cities, less represented rural America is. Yeah. You, you were mentioning in,

00:09:09.320 uh, Yugoslavia, for instance, that it happened. So suddenly it went tribal. Um, I don't know,

00:09:15.180 you're talking about these are your friends, but did you have any direct experience personally with

00:09:19.940 like nations that have fallen in this way where that's like flipped overnight or, or turned into

00:09:24.760 like mass chaos? Um, just that, uh, it, it, it, it's down to it, it, all the institutions that you

00:09:34.420 expect to stay together withered militaries wither if someone's not paying the bill. So it comes down to

00:09:40.660 a, a, a, a group of friends from your neighborhood or a soccer team of guys that you trust or the local

00:09:48.860 fire department. That's literally became the institutions that survived because it's closest

00:09:52.560 to, to where they, where they're rooted. So, uh, I think most of us, we've all heard the name

00:09:59.160 Blackwater. How, how would you describe Blackwater? You know, like when you, when you first started it

00:10:05.420 and what its mission was and what it did, what was it? So I was a seal team guy for a few years in

00:10:10.780 the nineties, uh, really before it became, um, so popular. But, um, uh, at that point you had the

00:10:19.200 peace dividend and there was, there were closing major military bases across the country on an

00:10:23.480 almost monthly basis. And seal teams had been using private facilities since the 1970s. Cause there's

00:10:29.960 no one had, um, you know, Navy guys don't really have ground combat ranges. So I was, my father was

00:10:37.660 a very successful entrepreneur. He died while I was in the seal teams. My wife got cancer. I got out,

00:10:43.200 I built a training facility to serve the needs of the seal teams and those kinds of units.

00:10:48.260 And, but knowing, and having seen the awful pathetic job that UN peacekeeping forces did

00:10:54.700 in Bosnia, in Yugoslavia, um, built a facility. Um, it was, uh, 3000 acres, seven ranges, everything

00:11:05.860 from a 25 meter, uh, reactive steel range out to a 1300 meter, um, known distance range for snipers,

00:11:14.780 shoot houses, mount facilities. After the Columbine, uh, high school tragedy, we ended up building a huge

00:11:20.500 mock-up of a high school because again, the police that came to that event didn't really go solve the

00:11:25.580 problem. They took three hours for them to clear the, um, the high school. Um, we trained the Navy

00:11:31.440 sailors after the USS Cole was blown up in Yemen. Uh, the Navy came to us. We trained almost a hundred

00:11:36.820 thousand sailors nationwide, how to defend their ships. So we answered what our customers needed.

00:11:43.500 And then when 9-11 happens, um, we provided a lot of security overseas and aviation and security. And, and so

00:11:51.020 we, you know, we, we filled the gaps that government forces could not fill.

00:11:56.420 Private military contractor. Is that a simple way to describe or is that over simple, over simple, overly

00:12:01.660 simple? Uh, so there's a video game called the division. Have you ever heard of it?

00:12:06.000 Sorry. No.

00:12:06.680 So this is a, one of the Tom Clancy games, but you're familiar with Tom Clancy.

00:12:09.900 Tom Clancy, of course. Great. Yeah.

00:12:11.120 Uh, so I'm, I'm, I'm a big fan of the game, the division. Uh, I played one in two. I haven't

00:12:16.160 played in a long time. The general premise is a biological weapon is released. It's been

00:12:22.000 a long time. So forgive me all the deep division fans. A biological weapon is released. You,

00:12:26.500 you are in New York. You are part of a clandestine government, uh, cell called the division that

00:12:33.320 is activated after the president invokes directive 51. Are you familiar with directive 51?

00:12:38.480 Freed not. Deep lore for you. So, uh, in 2008, George W. Bush, I think it was 08. It might've

00:12:43.900 been 07, uh, signed president, uh, a national security directive. Uh, uh, was it national

00:12:49.420 security presidential directive 51, which states that if there is a massive loss of life or economic

00:12:55.380 damage or something to disrupt the continuity of government United States, the president

00:12:59.360 basically, uh, uh, uh, pulls in a national continuity coordinator who would then seize

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00:14:35.080 It creates some kind of single branch government to try and maintain continuity of government or

00:14:40.600 something like that. So that's the premise of the game. You are one of these agents.

00:14:43.580 One of the components of the game is there are four factions you fight as you're in this New York

00:14:50.660 post-apocalyptic plague-ridden place. And it's kind of silly, but there's like gang members,

00:14:57.300 which makes sense, I guess. But then there's like firefighters, like people who are in the fire

00:15:00.800 department all of a sudden just like start taking over parts of the city. I don't get that.

00:15:04.000 But there's a private military contractor. And so these are guys with military gear,

00:15:08.340 you know, camo, high-powered weapons, APCs, et cetera. And the general premise of the story is

00:15:15.040 they were contractors for the government, but once everything collapses, they just go autonomous.

00:15:21.020 So pure fiction, I suppose it's an exploration of what might happen. But the reason I bring this up

00:15:28.320 is to go back to, you know, we're talking about Yugoslavia. We're talking about everyone's

00:15:31.740 got civil war on the mind. I'm curious, what do you think would happen with,

00:15:35.860 and I'm not necessarily to say this of your organization or anything. Do you think there

00:15:40.120 is a reality where like a private military contractor, not to try and stage a coup or

00:15:45.580 something, but would just become autonomous and start securing certain areas, securing resources?

00:15:50.740 The thing about the way the U.S. government hires PMC support is it's for overseas security,

00:16:00.020 protecting embassies, diplomats, key government facilities. The idea of some standing garrison of

00:16:09.740 PMCs in the United States doesn't really exist because there's not a place where all these guys

00:16:14.620 live. They live all across America. They are veterans that are either prior military or prior

00:16:20.880 law enforcement that have skill sets. And they go and do it on a part-time basis, working overseas,

00:16:27.580 just like a, an oil field worker, uh, as a roughneck goes and works on a rig for 60 days.

00:16:33.660 And then he takes 30 days home to tend his farm and then go back to the rig. That's, that's how the

00:16:39.500 rotation is. So there's an enormous pool of veterans out there. Uh, and a lot of people with skill sets,

00:16:45.660 um, it would take an extraordinary budget to try to hire them as a PMC.

00:16:51.800 Right. Right. So I suppose this, this, this view of, you know, uh, in the video game, you have

00:16:56.740 trucks and all these guys and they're in formation and you've securing a part of New York. It's not

00:17:02.880 the reality simply because when you guys contract, it's like you call somebody who might be in St.

00:17:07.360 Louis, another guy who might be in New York. Is that how it works?

00:17:09.300 Correct. I'll give you an example. When, um, when Hurricane Katrina happened in 2005,

00:17:16.940 as a company, we at Blackwater had never done anything domestically security wise,

00:17:22.480 but, um, we had just taken delivery of a helicopter that was set to go overseas. But, um, you know,

00:17:30.900 seeing people on the rooftops, all the rest, I called our air boss and I said, send the helicopter.

00:17:36.680 And they did. And by the time they made it, our, our aircraft had been retasked from being November

00:17:43.900 five Oh five to being coast guard five Oh five. They got a call sign and they extracted a bunch

00:17:48.320 of people working in concert with the coast guard. And then companies started calling

00:17:52.640 bell South and Walmart and insurance companies, et cetera, because the police had all left the area.

00:17:59.100 It was meltdown and they said, please provide security. So we did. We searched 145 guys in 36 hours

00:18:05.320 from five States away. And we got them licensed through the state of Louisiana. And then, uh,

00:18:13.780 they were there for about two weeks and then, uh, FEMA called and said, could you please provide

00:18:19.000 security? Um, we said, well, don't you have federal police for that? They said, well, we asked the

00:18:25.160 federal protective service and they said, no, their employee union said the conditions were too rough

00:18:30.220 and too unsafe. They wouldn't come. Could you provide police officers like former police officers

00:18:36.480 to just guard these locations? And we ended up providing 700 for the next few months.

00:18:42.720 There, there is, uh, uh, you know, when, when people say the name Blackwater, there's scandals

00:18:47.340 and people think of only the worst things imaginable, I guess most people probably don't know about the

00:18:52.520 standard day-to-day operations or basic security stuff that you provided simply because of the news.

00:18:57.900 And you know, you know what I mean? Sure. So like, I don't know. I find it interesting to hear that

00:19:02.540 as Katrina is really bad, but I'm, uh, I wonder, was it relatively routine having guys come in

00:19:09.840 security? I know it's, it's, it's extreme circumstances, but I don't know how to describe

00:19:13.980 it other than, yeah, did, did it was like that mission for you guys? Was it routine?

00:19:19.300 Well, it was not because we'd never done anything domestically and haven't,

00:19:22.340 didn't do anything since. And, and for all the, I'll, I'll, I'll cancel the urban myths now,

00:19:27.840 we didn't take anybody's guns away. And the only, and the only discharge of a firearm

00:19:32.200 our guys had while they were down there was one pit bull that was attacking some kids.

00:19:35.740 That's it. But so again, uh, the people that were rescued off the roofs and protected from,

00:19:42.440 I mean, look, when our guys got to the French quarter first on and, and got there before

00:19:47.400 the Louisiana national guard, there was bodies in the streets, not from the storm, but from

00:19:52.360 the looters that had rampaged through the area. So it was, um, it was chaos and, um,

00:19:59.100 wholly unnecessary.

00:20:00.500 So you, when you first arrive is you're saying you're, you're, you're coming in to provide

00:20:05.140 security and rescue people. And there were already people who had been killed by, what

00:20:09.100 would you call them? My bandits, looters, looters, just getting into fights over stuff. Yeah.

00:20:12.800 But I feel like looters, not extreme enough. I mean, someone who's willing to kill another

00:20:15.640 person, you have to call them like a, like a, a bandit, armed looters, armed gangs that

00:20:21.000 had gone amok. And there's even, if you look, if you look back, uh, even at the videos,

00:20:26.740 you'll see people looting stores and you'll see cops following them in looting as well.

00:20:34.140 Yo, this is so wild. So you know, you see, but you see the apocalyptic, you know, videos

00:20:38.360 of, of things that spin out of control. Stuff like stuff like that happens. It happened

00:20:44.480 there. Trust me. Stuff like that.

00:20:46.280 The police doing the looting. Sorry, Phil, just real quick. Uh, what movie was it recently?

00:20:51.040 Where, um, uh, what was it? It's, there's like, it's a post-apocalyptic scenario. I think

00:20:57.420 it would have been the last of us, the show. They, the guy's going in, maybe it wasn't,

00:21:01.940 he goes into the pharmacy. He needs to get some medicine for his kid. He sees a cop walk

00:21:05.760 in and he gets scared. And then the cop looks at him and just runs, starts looting and then

00:21:08.680 runs out.

00:21:09.000 Yes. Uh, not 28 days later. No. Um, I know this may, it might be one of the, uh, one of

00:21:15.620 the new remakes of the day of the dead or dawn of the dead, one of those, but I know exactly

00:21:19.860 the scene you're talking about. And you're a hundred percent right. That's the, the, the

00:21:23.760 thing is like in a situation where you have the breakdown of your society or, or basically

00:21:28.880 of, of law and order of authority, the police are going to take care of their families.

00:21:33.480 Like if it gets into like, you know, it gets tribal. Yeah, exactly. Like, and so you've

00:21:39.440 seen, have you actually been on the ground when like countries have like fallen apart

00:21:43.280 or, or is it more like close? Okay. So the, when you look at the United States and you

00:21:48.600 see the, the political climate, like we talk about this kind of stuff all the time, but

00:21:52.240 it's also a little bit of a, of a, you know, it's a theoretical exercise, I guess, or, or

00:21:58.080 whatever. But I can, I often say I don't see an exit ramp because people keep making, I

00:22:06.060 think the incentives are aligned against making things better in the U S and do you see a similar

00:22:11.080 scenario or do you see the kind of strife building here that you've seen in other countries or

00:22:15.620 what's your take on it? I guess.

00:22:19.080 Look, people need to be educated as to just how ugly that alternative, that those, that

00:22:24.700 those scenarios, you and I both know young men don't care about that. Young men, if young

00:22:29.340 men don't have stuff to, to busy themselves with, they, they, they will rage. And you

00:22:35.660 know, that, you know, that, well, I know, I know, you know, that, that again, people need

00:22:40.280 to be reminded of the, the short-term and the long-term consequences of that kind of behavior.

00:22:46.300 Cause it's ugly. Yeah. And, um, I think that's the point. That's why we talk about it so

00:22:51.380 much here is because of the, I mean, it's one thing to say, I like my Amazon deliveries,

00:22:56.120 right? Which is everyone likes the modern world, but it's totally different to look at

00:23:00.160 Gaza and be like, that is what you're talking about. When, when you hear people talk about

00:23:05.300 the second amendment and then they say, oh, well, you know, when the president says you

00:23:09.600 would need an F-15 to defeat the United States, what he's talking about is turning neighborhoods

00:23:14.440 into Gaza because men own rifles. That's what he's talking about. And that kind of talk

00:23:19.460 coming from politicians is every bit as inflammatory as talk, talk coming from podcasters or anything

00:23:25.620 about, you know, or, or even, you know, right wing nut jobs or whatever you want to call

00:23:29.820 talking, talking volatile conversations. I don't think people appreciate how much we all benefit

00:23:35.460 from a high trust society. Absolutely. That you can, that you can pay your utility bill

00:23:41.020 at the end of the month that you can, seriously, you can write a check and you know that the check

00:23:45.940 is going to get there and they're going to accept the check, you know, that you can mail

00:23:49.460 a package from A to B or that you can even go to the store without having to be gunned

00:23:56.420 up in a three vehicle convoy just to get groceries. I mean, that's, that's, that's the, that's

00:24:03.100 the alternative that we're talking about when a high trust society collapses into that level

00:24:07.640 of mayhem. That's exceedingly ugly. You do not want that.

00:24:11.300 I think it's probably true that a large component of liberal voters come from safe, high trust,

00:24:17.280 affluent areas, or at least on the higher end in 2016, vox.com said that the Democrats had become

00:24:24.480 the party of the wealthy. And, and, and I think that's fair to say because these people don't quite

00:24:30.040 understand what you're saying about how bad it really is. Michael Malice brings us up. Even he's

00:24:37.260 like, even the stuff we talk about isn't as bad as it could be at when you would look into history

00:24:41.840 and authoritarianism, dictatorship, civil wars, war, conflict, and stuff, and things like that.

00:24:46.580 I, everybody knows I grew up in Chicago, a slightly lower trust area on the South side.

00:24:52.540 And it's funny because I certainly would never say that it was anything like war conflict that

00:24:56.960 you've seen, but we, we understand at least you had that lottery. I don't even call it a lottery

00:25:03.380 tickets chance. You maybe even had like a 0.5% chance, or maybe that's not fair. No, actually

00:25:09.640 maybe 0.3 that you could be shot at, at the very least when you go to the store. So I would say on

00:25:16.980 the South side of Chicago, uh, going to sleep, you'd hear gunshots for me where, where I was a couple

00:25:23.460 times a year close to where your house was in a dense urban area, bang, bang, bang in the middle of

00:25:29.620 the night. And you're just like, I wonder what's going on. And, uh, I've had friends who'd seen

00:25:34.440 bodies being dragged through the alley. I don't want to make it seem like, you know, every day you

00:25:38.480 go outside, you're running from bullets, but we certainly had, everybody had their story of

00:25:42.600 someone pointing a gun at them or of, uh, someone running on the street after being in a gunfight,

00:25:47.420 things like that, you know, put, put me in a more moderate position in terms of policing and security.

00:25:53.400 But then I looked to a lot of these, uh, uh, you know, more affluent liberal types and they're

00:25:58.840 like, abolish the police. We don't need it. I know. And I'm thinking like your wealthy white

00:26:04.680 suburb will be the first to be conquered by barbarians when you no longer have security.

00:26:10.040 Southern Connecticut has a problem.

00:26:13.140 It's, that's what I, that's always what I think of when you talk about, or when you talk about that

00:26:16.580 kind of stuff, it's like Calabasas and, and like just Grant Greenwich in Connecticut.

00:26:20.960 I feel like Naperville, Illinois will be conquered in two seconds. You have gangs from Chicago in a

00:26:26.040 bit. There's a lot of money, a lot of people, and they do not own guns. And then very quickly,

00:26:30.940 if things were to fall apart.

00:26:33.740 Yeah. So I wanted to ask your opinion on, on the Ukraine war. I, it's my opinion that there was

00:26:39.980 never really a possibility without NATO interference, uh, that, that Ukraine would retain the, uh,

00:26:48.700 the borders that it had before Russia invaded. I think the people that are talking about

00:26:52.800 going, you know, getting Crimea back and stuff are, are, are clowns. And I think that the idea that

00:26:59.420 without the United States, that Ukraine could stop, uh, Russia from taking the whole country.

00:27:07.300 I think that's not, that's a joke as well. I feel like the best option that we have is to convince

00:27:12.560 Ukraine to, uh, to, to not surrender, but to, to negotiate with Russia and convince Russia

00:27:19.360 to negotiate as well. But I also think that there's so much money laundering going on over

00:27:25.720 there that there's not an incentive for you, for, for the feds to actually put that kind

00:27:31.340 of pressure on the, the, the active players. And I would like your thoughts on the situation.

00:27:36.520 A lot of points there. So let me try. So I apologize. Sorry. Um, first trying to out

00:27:43.660 conventional war, the Russian army is a bad idea. Uh, especially when you just don't have

00:27:49.640 the manpower that they do. Um, second, if the Ukrainians had been given and they were a,

00:27:58.440 if they'd been given and they were able to fully function with all the equipment early on,

00:28:03.580 there's a chance they could have broken through and done some kind of maneuver warfare campaign,

00:28:08.280 but the pause, right? Cause there was this, this much, this much vaunted offensive, which

00:28:15.620 was supposed to happen this last summer, which didn't go anywhere. Why? Because the Russians

00:28:19.800 know exactly the axis of approach that they're going to come. The Russians build the same kind

00:28:24.880 of defenses that they would have done just North, um, in the battle of Kursk. The summer of 43

00:28:31.880 was the biggest tank battle in military history. Wow. 6,000.

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00:30:03.220 And tanks. Wow. Wow. Okay. That was Nazi army versus the Soviet army. And there was a, there was

00:30:11.400 a, um, a bulge in the line of the Soviets and the Germans were trying to break through from the North

00:30:16.800 and South around the city of Kursk. But because the, the allies had broken the Enigma code, they knew

00:30:23.440 what the Germans were planning down to unit position, everything else. And the Russians found

00:30:29.120 out and they built three and five layers of defenses, which just ate all the, the German

00:30:35.520 attacks. And it was the last offensive action the Germans took on the Eastern front. That's exactly

00:30:39.880 what the Russian army did to the Ukrainians this last summer. They knew they were coming and wherever

00:30:44.880 they attacked, they just ate it between, um, I mean, doing high end maneuver warfare is really

00:30:51.600 hard. The Russians do electronic warfare quite effectively. And if they did have a breakthrough,

00:30:56.740 they're able to sow minefields via rockets, artillery, and even from aircraft, from helicopters.

00:31:02.160 So demographically, Ukraine needs to make a deal because at this point, all they're doing is

00:31:10.240 chewing up their next generation of manpower of manhood there. It's really, really awesome that

00:31:15.740 you're confirming my biases, but what were you saying, Phil, their army is, their army is an

00:31:19.560 average age of 43, if I understand correctly now. And that means that they have, they have

00:31:24.280 gone through an entire, yes, they've killed a whole lot of men because they've, they've literally

00:31:28.560 sucked all the alpha males out of society and chewed them up in a, in a Russian artillery

00:31:34.480 grinder. Wow. It's crazy. I mean, uh, yes, they need a deal at this point. What, what, what was

00:31:43.480 the purpose of us of the United States's involvement in the first place? If this is the route it was

00:31:47.080 going to go, I mean, did, did, did the, did Ukraine ever even stand a chance and why, why was

00:31:51.780 the U S even bothering to get involved? I think there's a, there's a, there's a U S bias that

00:31:58.280 our equipment is so spectacular that it will defeat any and all. And I think what, um, our,

00:32:05.440 our, our, our kamikaze drones, the loitering munitions, all this techno wizardry stuff, which

00:32:09.800 was designed to work against ISIS, not worked, not designed to work against the nation state

00:32:14.920 with massive levels of electronic warfare, meaning jammers, um, localization so that if you so much

00:32:23.420 is emit, uh, turn a radio on and transmit in unfriendly territory, you're a DF direction

00:32:29.300 found and getting smashed with artillery rounds within minutes. Let me tell you, just from,

00:32:34.640 you can download an app on your phone that points to the direction of your cell tower.

00:32:38.900 Like if imagine what they can do, you turn your phone on, you turn a radio on and they

00:32:44.240 have a map showing exactly where you are. I know what they can do. Oh, right. Of course.

00:32:47.480 Of course. I'm, I'm, I'm not here to tell you, but it certainly seems like they lied to us in the

00:32:54.120 press about what was going on. And I'm wondering when you're watching all of this begin, are you

00:33:00.560 sitting there shaking your head being like, Oh no. Well, first of all, again, trying to out

00:33:06.720 conventional war, the, the Russian army, the, the, the main player of the, the entire Soviet army,

00:33:12.120 look, they say what you want. It's, it's still the Soviet union that defeated the Nazis.

00:33:19.660 U S played a role. Yes. But it was our industry that played the biggest role,

00:33:23.260 not the manpower. I think about, um, uh, the battle of Stalingrad, the Russians lost 1.2 million

00:33:31.760 at the battle of Stalingrad. The United States lost 250,000 in total in the entire European

00:33:38.380 African theater. Wow. That's it. So, and when they, when they, when they, when they, when

00:33:43.300 they lost 1.2, they killed 800,000 Germans. And lost 1.2 million. Yes. This is a, I believe

00:33:51.420 more commonly known today as the Zap Brannigan strategy. It's a, it's a feature. So in the

00:33:58.140 show feature Rama. Okay. There is a doofus military leader named Zap Brannigan, who says he defeated

00:34:05.780 the kill bots by sending wave after wave of his own men until the kill bot count limit

00:34:09.920 was maxed and they shut down automatically. So, but the idea that the Russians were just

00:34:14.540 like, I mean, famously they said they built more into the breach. It was crappy tanks.

00:34:19.300 It was crappy guns, but a lot of them. And they just said, flood the zone. Yep. People

00:34:23.260 have plenty. As I said, plenty. Yeah. Not that I'm particularly fond of, uh, Soviets or communists

00:34:28.820 obviously, but, uh, the Russian, the Russians just throwing people at the Nazis. Like it's

00:34:36.300 not like they had, not like they could go anywhere. Like the, they invaded their country. So

00:34:41.260 like the Soviets executed more soldiers trying to desert than we lost in combat. Wow. That's

00:34:50.540 Jesus. Wave after wave of, wave after wave of your own men, just straight into the frame.

00:34:55.720 So you're, that's not to say, look, the U S provided, and I don't take away from any vet

00:35:00.900 that fought in world war II. They went through hell in the Western front as well, but it was

00:35:05.340 American industry that made it possible for the Zhukov to go from Moscow all the way to Berlin.

00:35:10.040 Because you think about that, even back then, the German army was almost 50% still in horses,

00:35:15.680 like using horses, dragging wagons for support of the battlefield, not vehicles. The U S was the

00:35:22.040 first all mechanized, all mechanized horse, man. This is crazy. We should have mechanized our way

00:35:29.320 to Moscow right after the world war II, but could the U S have taken down the Soviets following world

00:35:37.140 war II? I think there's a reason we didn't. It would have been a hell of a fight, right? That's

00:35:41.000 certainly what Patton wanted to do. Really? He rightly saw Bolshevism as a, as a,

00:35:45.580 even greater threat. And I think he was correct. And I think, especially what we're seeing

00:35:50.320 nowadays is it. So this is interesting too, because, you know, growing up with more liberal

00:35:56.060 friends, punk rock anarchists. Oh, they'd say the, the Korean war, Vietnam, these were all big

00:36:02.460 mistakes. And I think it's easy to say in hindsight, you know, like growing up being like, oh, here are

00:36:07.680 the failures. It was a mistake, but I'm wondering now looking at, you know, it was a very different

00:36:13.340 picture back then that, that I wasn't alive for. I'm wondering if the fears that people have today

00:36:18.880 over communism and the Marxist sentiments that are emerging in the United States among the left

00:36:24.640 and universities. I'm wondering if, is that, is that what the military leaders saw with the Soviet

00:36:29.920 expansion? This, this communist force was going to dominate global resources and then become this

00:36:35.340 international dictatorship or was it just stupid people for stupid reasons, maybe for money or

00:36:41.960 profit? I think Patton saw the Bolsheviks for what they were. Um, and he saw it as a threat,

00:36:48.620 the Bradleys, the Eisenhowers, they didn't as much, but, uh, I think we just, we just passed the

00:36:53.500 anniversary of Patton's death from a car accident after, you know, he's one of my favorite American

00:36:59.620 generals. Um, cause he was, uh, very decisive, took risks and made a lot of things happen.

00:37:07.160 Yeah. I just wonder, uh, I don't know. I'm just wondering, was there a legitimate fear of the

00:37:14.760 spread of spread of communism that, you know, the, the view that, uh, I I'm, I'm told when I'm growing

00:37:22.560 up is military contractors, the military industrial complex, they want to make money. They want to

00:37:28.120 maximize profits and revenue. And they see war as a mean, a means of driving that vehicle.

00:37:32.920 So whenever there's an opportunity, okay, we got to invade, be it like the Gulf of Tonkin for a false

00:37:38.040 flag. The general view I have that I'm told about from activists and left is there's no legitimate

00:37:43.920 military reason to oppose the communist forces rising in other parts of the world. Is there,

00:37:48.380 is there actually an argument for this or was it just foolishness? Ho Chi Minh, what screwed us up

00:37:55.380 in Vietnam was the French because Ho Chi Minh as a young man actually had a statue of, had a statue

00:38:02.980 of Liberty model in his backyard when he lived in France. And it was because France wanted to be

00:38:09.520 able to retain Vietnam as a colony that they got into it with the then Viet Minh. Uh, you've heard

00:38:16.980 of the battle of Dien Bien Phu when the French were surrounded and they, they had to surrender

00:38:21.000 and that really led to the French collapse. Now that caused a partition of kind of the communist

00:38:26.960 area in the North and some kind of a Southern free Vietnam. But, um, when, um, when the U S got

00:38:35.660 dragged in to backing up a very corrupt South Vietnamese government, yeah, we didn't want the

00:38:41.060 whole place to, to fall and, and let all of Indochina become communist. But, um, you know,

00:38:46.000 America, whether it's supporting DM or supporting, um, Karzai or Ashraf Ghani in Afghanistan, we have

00:38:52.820 a bad habit of picking really idiot leaders to back. That's how I kind of feel. So I'm, I'm, I'm,

00:38:58.980 I'm fairly, uh, I would say overwhelmingly actually, uh, anti-intervention. And I think it's, it's,

00:39:04.220 it's very simple throughout my life. All I've seen is the U S screw everything up. It's just not

00:39:09.480 worked out. I wonder how much of that is the media though. Right. Uh, so when it comes to, uh,

00:39:14.500 you know, what's your, what's your general view on Afghanistan, Iraq, uh, the fall of Afghanistan,

00:39:20.480 uh, after our withdrawal? Well, I would say what should have happened after nine 11 is what happened

00:39:29.820 in the first six months was, I would say more like a Roman punitive raid, right? In the Roman empire,

00:39:35.400 when, uh, something on the empire did something bad, they'd send the, they'd send the hammer and

00:39:40.660 bring it down. And, and that's, you know, the Taliban Al Qaeda were truly running for their

00:39:46.340 lives for the first six months after nine 11 that worked a few hundred soft backed by air power,

00:39:52.500 smashed the hell out of the Taliban. It's when the conventional forces arrived, big military

00:39:57.140 industrial complex. And it's not just, it's not just the industry. It's all the generals in the

00:40:01.860 Pentagon. Cause we have way too many of them all want to get there to the war zone to get their

00:40:07.020 promotion stars. When we allowed that, we basically went sideways for the next 19 and a

00:40:12.760 half years. And for whatever improvements in society that were made, and there were a lot,

00:40:20.320 it was all flushed and we were defeated by, you know, illiterate goat herders that were using weapons

00:40:28.480 that have been designed 70 years before. What an embarrassment that is not how a superpower

00:40:32.460 conducts itself. I'd try to give Trump a, an off ramp to let the, the, the Afghan government stay

00:40:39.920 in place. Let the U S forces leave. It would have cost less than 5% of what the U S spend was. And yes,

00:40:46.260 it did involve using contractors, but it's the same way that the East India company used built capacity

00:40:53.060 in India. And it worked for 200 years and they would have mostly paid for themselves.

00:40:57.540 And it used contractors attached to each Afghan battalion, living with training with fighting

00:41:03.740 with a little bit of air support and to control their logistics supply. It would have kept the

00:41:08.340 Afghan forces intact. It would have kept the Taliban at bay. And as a society, they could have functioned

00:41:13.200 and it would not be, trust me, we've not heard the last of Afghanistan as much as we want to ignore

00:41:18.740 it. There's a lot of shithead showing up there and a lot of other badness fomenting.

00:41:23.820 How did, how did this go down? Donald Trump, uh, negotiates with the Taliban. He sets a timeline

00:41:28.460 for the withdrawal of U S forces. Joe Biden comes in. Well, yes, I mean, I'd given, I Steve Bannon

00:41:36.760 asked me to write an op-ed in the spring of 2017. Red is about to have this policy discussion laying

00:41:42.260 out a different path. Trump reads the editorial circles it at the oval office desk, calls in the

00:41:48.980 national security advisor saying, I don't like your plan. I like this one. Do this. Now that national

00:41:53.280 security advisor was a three-star general, an armor officer from the Pentagon who wanted his fourth

00:41:57.840 star. And it's not going to do anything counter to what the Pentagon wants. That was a problem for

00:42:03.100 Trump. He never really controlled his security apparatus. So they, they went with a bad plan.

00:42:09.460 They went with the, they went with the same plan they'd been doing for 20 years.

00:42:12.860 Is that, so why didn't, so people want to say, uh, Eric Prince wants to privatize it. No,

00:42:18.320 there was already 30,000 contractors in country. I was going to take the number down to six.

00:42:22.560 That's it. Six, six, one, two, three, four, five, six, 6,000. Oh, 6,000. See that, that sorry.

00:42:28.400 No, no, I know. I know. But I want to just make sure I'm very clear. Why was it, why was it delayed?

00:42:33.000 Why, why did, why was the timeline set for, for the next presidential term creating this risk that,

00:42:39.100 you know, Joe Biden could come in and burn everything to the ground. Was it, was it Trump

00:42:43.300 playing politics saying, no, that that's, that's usually the Pentagon saying, well, we can't pull

00:42:47.140 back that fast. It won't be, we can't get our stuff. There's always, I think that was a, can we

00:42:51.840 wait this out and hope someone else gets in so we can keep our plan going on that. But also like

00:42:56.140 if, if it's from the, the brass, the Pentagon, then they're thinking, you know, Hey, how can I,

00:43:01.380 you know, how can I help this massage my career? Because I want to be able to make general or get

00:43:06.860 another star or what, you know, get a, whatever kind of promotion or whatever. So, which is gross,

00:43:12.180 but how did, how did this get screwed up so bad? I mean, even, even with the plan of what we've been

00:43:17.080 doing for 20 years, how did it go so bad? Cause no one was ever fully in charge. You say you have

00:43:23.000 an ambassador there, but the ambassador is not in charge of the military forces. At least the

00:43:26.740 British had it right. But look, the United States is a lousy colonial power. And, and at least the

00:43:33.620 British had it right that they put one person in charge that was in charge of all things,

00:43:37.580 diplomatic and military. So one person was responsible and one person was making the

00:43:41.260 decision. We never had that in Afghanistan or Iraq for that matter. And so, you know,

00:43:47.700 for example, the, at the Afghan energy infrastructure was never done. There's oil fields that were

00:43:54.080 drilled and proven by the Soviets in Northern Afghanistan. It been bulk province. My friend

00:44:00.020 was a local partner. I saw the drilling reports. They were cemented when the Soviets left and

00:44:05.220 nobody ever drilled them again. So a third of the U S budget. So the U S was spending like 60 billion a

00:44:10.660 year, 60 billion, 20 billion of that was in fuel. And they had to move the fuel all the way from the

00:44:17.900 med down across the red sea up to Karachi trucked up into Afghanistan. And so that the Taliban is tolling

00:44:25.920 that fuel because you have to pay it as a pay these guys. So instead of drilling oil that was inside

00:44:31.280 Afghanistan and producing it, taking care of it all and empowering the entire country, instead it was

00:44:37.120 trucked across Afghanistan and no general ever called bullshit on this to say, stop this ends right now,

00:44:43.720 drill it, refine it right here. And no, no adult made that decision. And that's so frustrating to me.

00:44:49.800 I, I definitely, we got, we got so much to talk about, you know, with, uh, uh, you mentioning the,

00:44:53.620 the Houthis shutting down the, uh, uh, the, the red sea, the red sea. I mean, that's crazy. All these

00:44:59.040 different, uh, uh, shipping companies saying we're, we're suspending transport through the, uh,

00:45:04.040 through the red sea, red sea, right? Yes. Crazy. But I have to make this point, hearing this stuff,

00:45:10.640 the conclusion that always brings me back to thinking domestically is nobody's in charge. I mean,

00:45:16.120 this, this thing is, seems to be falling apart. Uh, maybe, maybe it's that that comes from Congress,

00:45:21.580 never holding anybody responsible and they just keep throwing money at it, but not just

00:45:25.620 international. I mean, domestically confidence is shattered. You've got the, the political

00:45:30.680 conflict. You've got the street level conflict. You've got what appears to be a military apparatus

00:45:35.980 that acts as though it's a chicken with its head cut off. So the only thing I see is just

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00:47:25.820 That's one way to put it. Man, you know, I view it. It's really hard to build a machine and it's

00:47:31.100 really easy to break it. That's right. Some dude can spend 20 hours building a house of cards and you

00:47:36.220 can flick a pebble and the whole thing comes crashing down. That's what it feels like. That's what I feel

00:47:41.860 like we're watching, especially going into 2024 with all this stuff. You've got no one, you know,

00:47:48.260 bless her heart, we had Marianne Williamson on the show last night. She's a very nice woman. She's

00:47:51.980 very lovely. She's a liberal. And in that, her core principles, we very much agree with.

00:47:58.100 But with all due respect, I believe that she is very misinformed or uninformed on some of the top

00:48:04.800 issues. You know, she wants to talk policy. She wanted to talk about, you know, what do we do with

00:48:10.120 abortion? What do we do with this? And we talk about topical news on Tim Kest IRL.

00:48:14.740 In her view, it's like, these aren't things that the political debates are about when you're running

00:48:19.600 for office. And I'm like, this is the headline news story for, say, like the New York Times, or

00:48:23.640 this is culturally what people are wired into. And there are too many people in this country.

00:48:30.320 There is an example, again, not to be disrespectful. We think she's very lovely.

00:48:33.900 There are too many people in this country who are just absolutely not paying attention.

00:48:36.660 And it seems like there is no, there's nobody driving this, this shit. And we're going to,

00:48:42.420 we're going to crash. You know, it's probably time for people to tune out of a Sunday afternoon

00:48:47.560 and Monday night football and pay attention to what's happening in their crumbling country.

00:48:51.860 The point that we were talking, I think we both discussed earlier, or both of you mentioned

00:48:56.920 earlier, was talking about like your local fire departments and people focusing on their local

00:49:03.340 areas and, and being involved in their communities. I, I don't know how to inspire people, especially

00:49:10.780 when you, when you've got urban areas where people are stacked on top of each other. I understand

00:49:15.440 that it becomes less personal. The more people you have around is the, the anonymity of crowds

00:49:20.900 that, that, or the anonymity that crowds allow you. But when it comes to more suburban and rural

00:49:26.260 areas, what do you think, what do you think would inspire people to take more ownership of their

00:49:32.700 own community? And because that's really how you get people to, to have the most positive effect in

00:49:38.920 their, on their own lives and also the people around like the, the, the community that you live in

00:49:43.520 should be where your focus is. The president doesn't matter a whole lot when it comes to your

00:49:49.740 day-to-day life, you know, and I think that, and that's right. The problem in America is that the

00:49:55.900 federal government has gotten way too big. A hundred percent. We need this, this all can get fixed within

00:50:02.540 the constitution by emphasizing the 10th amendment. Yes. Everything not specifically delegated to the

00:50:08.300 federal government remains the sole purview of the states. And I think COVID and the nonsense around

00:50:15.180 that was a great reminder, a great wake up call that local governments matter. Your mayor, your

00:50:21.840 county commissioner, your school board, that matters. And so, yeah, you start to see some of

00:50:27.760 that wake up and people paid more attention to that local community, but always the centers of community

00:50:32.380 have always been houses of worship and schools and, uh, people being more involved there and, and,

00:50:41.440 and doing charity through that, um, is super important. That's what ties communities together.

00:50:48.200 But the more that communities and then States can flex up and say no to Washington, even to the,

00:50:54.280 even saying to Washington, fuck off. We're, we're not doing this, this, and this, because this is not

00:51:00.100 in your mandate. And on these things, we will, we will push back hard. That has to happen.

00:51:05.580 I feel like people don't even know who their neighbors are anymore. You know, churches used

00:51:12.360 to be where people would gather and they would see their neighbors and they would talk. But we live

00:51:18.020 in this digitized social order. Now people don't talk to their neighbor. They're not coordinated.

00:51:24.580 They're not organized. They never meet. And now everyone lives online. I think this is a huge

00:51:29.600 component in why it seems like everything is falling apart because people are finding community and

00:51:34.460 culture with people. They don't live anywhere near. And then in the immediate and where they live,

00:51:39.120 you look at the big cities, you look homelessness, feces in the streets, drug abuse. But instead of

00:51:44.780 being focused on the things outside your door, people are on the internet focused on things on

00:51:51.280 related to the, to the streets right in front of their houses. On which pop star is dating,

00:51:55.800 which football player on which team is winning meaningless stuff. To be fair, you know,

00:52:02.300 when I heard that Taylor Swift was being transported in a janitor's cart, that was big

00:52:06.820 news. So you hear this one, basically they have a popcorn machine supposedly, and they're carting

00:52:12.820 it through the arena. I'm kidding. But that was a big story. People are like, is Taylor Swift

00:52:17.720 secretly being transported through a janitor's? I'm a songwriter. Don't make me defend Taylor

00:52:22.760 Swift. All right. I'm not ragging on Taylor Swift. I'm saying this is like the news that people

00:52:28.040 care about is someone else deal with the hardship and the problems. I don't want to think about the

00:52:33.720 homelessness. I don't want to think about the crime, but then you actually have for tribal reasons,

00:52:38.160 you've got people on the internet, prominent left-wing commentators arguing. It's not really

00:52:43.000 happening. The crime isn't happening. They're lying about it. The mass migration crisis is not

00:52:49.020 happening. It's just, it's, it's almost like not only are there people who don't care about what's

00:52:54.040 happening outside their doors, there are people who care about maintaining lies from other, with

00:52:58.820 other people on the internet, which actually substantially makes the, makes the problem

00:53:02.160 worse. That, that brings up a question that I want to ask. Do you see behind closed doors with

00:53:06.820 people that you, you know, in, in, in, in the government and, and contracting and stuff, do you

00:53:13.660 see any very little interaction with the government anymore? No. Okay. All right. Well, your old

00:53:19.320 context, cause you have to see, I mean, I'm sure you're aware of the, the, you know, the

00:53:25.160 way that the, the Pentagon has been jumping into social, uh, social issues and, and things

00:53:35.680 like the, a lot, a lot of, a lot of really crazy things. And I'm wondering if you see, if

00:53:41.060 you see that, if you, if you do see that kind of like the, the social craziness seeping into

00:53:45.520 the military. And if you know of anyone in the military that has said anything about,

00:53:49.840 you don't know people actually do know this is crazy. And there's actually things being

00:53:53.520 done about it because I really feel like the military no longer has lost, had lost its

00:53:58.300 focus on what its job was. The senior Pentagon leadership really does believe in the kind

00:54:04.500 of, you know, insanity that you're talking about. Like true believers. They are, they are

00:54:10.960 woke officers following orders. See, cause I understand, I understand, and I can wrap my

00:54:16.700 head up. It, that look, the left has been out to, in, to spread their paradigm to every

00:54:25.920 institution and the military wasn't that way. And so they have been on it hard since the

00:54:31.320 nineties to push that. And now, um, and now you're seeing that and, and, and especially

00:54:37.780 even the stresses brought by, um, the Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan wars even changed their

00:54:47.360 promotions. Cause it used to be that the army would promote, um, three out of four captains

00:54:53.200 to majors. Now they, after that, they basically promote 95%. So whereas you were getting rid

00:55:00.700 of the, the bottom quartile turd, that turd is now promoted and it's made his way up the

00:55:06.580 ranks. So that's in, in the push on diversity, equity, inclusion, all of that is, is wrecking

00:55:16.700 their recruiting numbers.

00:55:18.700 I just, I'm, I'm imagining, you know, you're a private military contractor. You get a call

00:55:23.060 say, we've got this serious crisis. There's looters, there's murder, there's shooting.

00:55:27.520 We need the best of the best to come and help secure this. And then you go, we need to borrow

00:55:31.940 your HR department. Well, no, no. But then I'm imagining a woke PMC being like, we could

00:55:37.700 get the best guys, but there's too many white ones. So let's go ask these guys over here.

00:55:43.140 And then you just get wiped out by bandits. These guys, you know, I, I, I, that one seems

00:55:48.380 obvious meritocracy matters, but a lot of people don't care at the lower level of, of the like,

00:55:54.060 you know, national security people, they don't underestimate the importance of security,

00:55:58.080 but you know, like if they're going to hire a journalist, they'll be like, ah, who cares?

00:56:02.340 Well, how do you determine who's, who's meritocratic in journalism? So they'll go for the diversity

00:56:06.680 hires. But if you're talking about life and death and warfare and recruiting is becoming a

00:56:13.820 component of recruiting is now, are you the right race or identity? What's going to happen

00:56:18.760 when our very diverse 90 pound soaking wet, you know, uh, eight otherly abled individuals

00:56:26.180 meet the Russian forces on the front line in the Roman Republic. It used to be like when

00:56:33.820 the battle of Cannae happened, which was a horrible loss to the Roman empire. They lost

00:56:38.160 like 40,000 guys in a morning, like two weeks later when the Roman Senate met, it was like

00:56:46.500 40% missing. Why? Cause those elites had been in, in the battle in the field with the army,

00:56:53.920 the, the leaders and their children. How many elites sitting in Washington today have sons or

00:57:01.900 daughters serving in any capacity? No. So that's a, we have a complete divorce of elites making the

00:57:09.200 decisions versus people living with those consequences. And so, you know, but, but what did

00:57:15.800 Rome do when they had that kind of loss at the battle of Cannae? They sent Scipio Africanus

00:57:21.080 who wiped out, he said, Carthagio Delende Est, Carthage must be destroyed. You want to see what a

00:57:29.800 proper ruler would do to the Houthis gathering in the streets, having shut off the, the, the

00:57:36.200 straits saying, and what's they're saying? Death to America, death to Israel, victory over Islam,

00:57:41.380 smash their victory parade, smash it properly, teach them a lesson, go roaming on them,

00:57:48.820 different discussion the next day. So what, what would, what would, what would your answer to

00:57:53.140 this be? I mean, it's, it's crazy. I saw the news, uh, a bunch of different shipping companies

00:57:56.660 are saying we're done. We're, we're, we're not transporting anymore. And this means they can't

00:58:00.040 because the insurance companies get scared. They can't. And so the ridiculous thing is, right. So

00:58:05.340 the U S the U S position now is trying to put this coalition together and all these allies have

00:58:10.440 supposedly joined and they're not really joining. Why? Cause they're just going to escort ships

00:58:14.480 through the straits and they're going to shoot down. So the Houthis will shoot drones made by Iran

00:58:21.840 that costs between 20 and $50,000. And the U S will shoot them down with a two to two and a half

00:58:27.160 million dollar missile, bad math, even in obese Washington. Um, what needs to happen?

00:58:34.480 There was a similar problem in the sixties actually when, and I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a,

00:58:40.220 like a, an advertisement for PMCs, but it worked before when Egypt invaded Yemen, the Saudis ended

00:58:47.560 up hiring David Sterling, the founder of the SAS armed by the Israelis paid by the, paid by the Saudis.

00:58:54.040 And they went to work and they cleaned the Egyptians out. That's some, some combination of

00:58:59.620 that. Cause I don't see any U S force ever going in there, uh, and schooling the Houthis. Cause

00:59:04.200 they've been, they have been trained and armed well by the Iranians and they will be a problem.

00:59:09.220 But look, 52% of global container traffic being shut off. Everyone will feel that soon because all

00:59:16.340 your prices are going to be higher. Well, yeah, everything's going to be that much longer to

00:59:19.220 get to market, but this is good. People will die though. I like, there's one thing that I want to,

00:59:22.240 I want to at least articulate that people need to hear. Like, it's not just that people are going

00:59:26.500 to feel it. That will mean deaths. Yeah. There will be a number of people that will delay. Exactly.

00:59:32.680 Right. And then, and then everyone will blame Biden and Trump will get reelected. So that,

00:59:36.840 you know, that's the end result of all of it. I was more thinking about the people that are

00:59:39.600 going to, that are going to say, Oh, it's bad to use military action to, to prevent the

00:59:44.220 Houthis from, from stopping trade. It, if you mess with global trade, it's not people.

00:59:51.600 People don't get it, man. No, people, people so quickly go and say, well, you know, it's the

00:59:55.380 capitalists and they start blaming, uh, they start blaming capitalism and saying that it's rich people

01:00:00.440 that are being hurt, blah, blah, blah. But really what happens is people, the globe, the fact that

01:00:04.380 we have the trade routes that we do in international trade that we do means that poor people can get the

01:00:10.260 things they need to survive. Economics translates into lives saved. And there are too many people

01:00:16.720 that hate capitalism that love to go ahead and start, start attacking capitalism because of these

01:00:22.200 kinds of things. And for 80 years, you basically had a Pax Americana in freedom of navigation around

01:00:27.300 the world that is quickly being eroded by some jihadis and man jammies. It's crazy. You mentioned

01:00:34.040 the, the, the drones, uh, they're made by Iran are 20 to $50,000. He said, yes. I mean,

01:00:39.320 that sounds kind of crazy to me because I feel like a, a consumer grade drone can be weaponized

01:00:44.520 to an extreme degree for substantially cheaper. I mean, an IED on a, on a commercial drone is

01:00:51.080 much, much, much cheaper and unstoppable. Well, it's stoppable. It's just a matter of the U S is,

01:00:59.320 is got their $2 million solution and they need to have $10,000 solutions. Look, there's two things

01:01:06.060 a military commander does what they coordinate information, meaning they receive information

01:01:11.680 and they pass information. And two, they release energy. You move the ship from here to there,

01:01:17.720 march that formation from over there or fire that weapon. The problem in America is our cost of energy

01:01:23.260 of those weapons has gotten crazy expensive. That's been exposed very clearly in the, in Ukraine war.

01:01:31.120 All these weapons systems might be spectacular on the drill field, but way too expensive and not

01:01:37.880 very reliable. And, and now very clear in the, in the straits of the Babu Mandaab as well.

01:01:43.000 I think what, uh, too many Americans don't understand and, and, and, and really it's mostly liberals

01:01:50.540 and I'm sorry, like conservatives tend to be, uh, have a higher understanding on average of

01:01:57.140 survival requirements. I'm not saying every single conservative, I'm not saying every single

01:02:01.140 liberal, but I think when you, when you're a more rural, you know, individual, you understand a bit

01:02:06.080 better. Being closer to land bases you closer in reality. Yeah. And I don't think these people

01:02:12.380 who have been supporting, uh, the, the funding and the war in Ukraine know anything about supply chain

01:02:19.240 economics, fuel costs, energy costs, uh, energy return on energy invested. I don't think they

01:02:25.440 understand any of these things. I don't think they understand food requirements. You know, when,

01:02:30.660 uh, uh, Joe Biden famously said, you know, what was he talking about? Like a civil war or whatever,

01:02:35.720 and said, you're going to need an F-16 and nukes to go up against the United States. And I'm like,

01:02:40.560 tell that to the Taliban, to the Viet Cong. I mean, come on. But at the same time, when, uh, when you see

01:02:48.200 these memes talking about, and I don't, I don't mean to bring it back to domestic stuff in civil war,

01:02:52.160 but I just mean military conflict in general, Ukraine, for instance, food. If, if men are not

01:02:58.560 eating, they are not fighting. And your, your multimillion dollar rocket systems may as well

01:03:03.680 be a brick sitting in the middle of the field. Novices argue tactics, professionals playing

01:03:07.980 logistics. Yeah. So you talk about magic, the gathering I used to play too. And one of the,

01:03:14.060 so they, you know, they made novels that go along with the stories in like the Urza saga stuff.

01:03:18.520 Like all the novels were about building the artifacts. It was all about logistics,

01:03:22.880 all about mining and blah, blah, blah, because they, you know, they want to tie in the land and

01:03:26.240 the artifacts and stuff. And it's, it's fun. It's something that people don't think about the

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01:04:59.840 Everyone thinks about the guys that are on the ground that are getting into the gunfights.

01:05:03.260 That's what the military is when they think about it. And really what the military kind of,

01:05:07.880 modern military is, is bringing modernity with you. Just like you'd said earlier is like the fact,

01:05:14.200 the, the, the concept of just drill where you are, get the oil that's there out, refine it there and

01:05:21.140 make the fuel that you need. Like that's something that your average person would never think about.

01:05:25.620 Like they don't think about that, that kind of logistics or those, that type of infrastructure

01:05:30.120 being built on the fly. I, you know, it's funny when we talk about say the civil war Gettysburg,

01:05:35.420 I've got a union civil war rifled musket right over there that I got from an antique store.

01:05:40.000 And I was watching a documentary on the battles of Gettysburg when I was in Gettysburg, it's only

01:05:43.600 40 minutes away. And it was a really fascinating to hear about the Confederates use of breach

01:05:48.600 loading rifled muskets versus the union at the time begun. They had begun using, uh, they,

01:05:54.660 I'm sorry, uh, Confederates were using, uh, the Confederates were using muzzle loaders and the

01:05:59.500 union started using breach loaders, which rapidly increased their speed. And we're also fascinated

01:06:03.680 by, wow, the Confederates never saw it coming. The union soldiers had these paper cartridges.

01:06:08.700 They could breach load and, and, and very, very quickly relative to the muzzle loading.

01:06:13.600 And then no one ever talks about how did any of these guys eat food? Because that's substantially

01:06:19.260 more important when you've got how many, how many, how many soldiers? There's like a hundred thousand

01:06:22.980 or something. Yeah. That's a lot of people to feed with where's the food coming from? Who's

01:06:29.240 making it? How are they getting it to those lines? 200 years ago when you didn't have refrigeration

01:06:33.800 and why railways were so important. You're bringing a farm with you, you know, it's, it's fascinating,

01:06:38.380 uh, that people grossly underestimate the most powerful weapons in war. They assume it's,

01:06:45.460 it's weapons and bombs. And I love giving, I've been watching this, uh, Dr. Stone. It's an anime

01:06:50.700 manga, but there's a really great line in it where it's, the story is simple restarting

01:06:57.760 civilization from scratch oversimplified. And there's a conflict between two tribes,

01:07:01.580 but they have modern, one guy has modern scientific understanding because it's a

01:07:05.520 post-apocalyptic kind of scenario. He says, we're going to build the most powerful weapon

01:07:09.420 mankind has, has, has ever created. And the other guy goes, don't tell me you're going to make

01:07:13.260 nuclear weapons. And he goes, no radio. He says cell phone. I think it's silly, but he builds a

01:07:18.980 radio. And he's like, once we have the ability to communicate at the speed of light, we will

01:07:23.760 outflank and defeat our enemy and engage in information warfare and control them outright.

01:07:29.240 And people don't realize these things. They assume it's like, yeah, well, he's got an F-16 and

01:07:34.180 nuclear weapons. You can't win. Yeah. China is, is sending TikTok over here to turn your children

01:07:39.740 into a bunch of morons. You will not have a fighting force doing a good job of that. Absolutely.

01:07:44.420 Absolutely. So that, that's, that, that people don't understand what, what, what fighting and

01:07:49.800 what war is about. Well, let me, let me throw it to you in this way. How would you define war?

01:07:56.360 Like what is, what does war mean?

01:08:00.140 A lot of people want to define war as only when, when the actual shooting starts. The reality is it

01:08:06.380 is a spectrum of conflict that goes from disagreement on an issue to all the steps, all the continuum of

01:08:15.380 leverage that someone can apply, whether it's soft power, sanctions, economic leverage, et cetera,

01:08:24.160 that a, an opponent can apply, call it a pressure point even to get you to submit before there's even

01:08:32.100 a punch thrown in a boxing ring. Uh, so we are very much in a war between a, I would say two things,

01:08:41.960 one against, uh, the CCP, the Chinese communist party. And I would also say we're in a war,

01:08:50.040 Judeo-Christian Western civilization is, uh, against an Islamic Sharia supremacist mentality,

01:08:57.600 the likes of Muslim brotherhood, Hamas, et cetera. But I mean, the CCP, I suppose the Judeo-Christian

01:09:07.340 values, it's, it's, it's an ideological war between these factions. It's, it's, it's more

01:09:11.800 than just territory. It's more than just, and I say Judeo-Christian, I mean, a, a Republic government

01:09:17.400 with Magna Carta, U S constitution, that kind of society where the man's role in the state,

01:09:27.580 is defined that an individual has rights. Um, and the government has limited a power to affect

01:09:34.840 that person, right? Enlightenment philosophy. Yeah, exactly. That philosophy is very much in

01:09:40.440 conflict with the Chinese communist party, which wants to rule everything and make it and re and

01:09:46.540 reimagine, not remake the societies in their image. Are we winning or losing?

01:09:52.100 Hmm. We are, I would say it's been a scrum and we are slowly, uh, we're losing, we are losing yardage

01:10:02.040 right now, but, um, but leadership can turn that around quickly. And I think back to, think about

01:10:10.740 the seventies, lose the Vietnam war, helicopters off the roof of the U S embassy in Saigon, 75 Iran,

01:10:18.380 hostage crisis. Um, uh, oil embargoes, the president of the United States is on television. Jimmy Carter

01:10:25.240 saying, wear a sweater. It's not going to get any better. Turn your thermostat down. The malaise,

01:10:31.500 all just the, it was bad. Did he make, did he say that? Oh yeah. Yeah. Wow. Just a little,

01:10:38.800 just a, just a hair before my time. He was, he was, uh, he literally wore a, like a cardigan sweater

01:10:43.100 and said, you know, turn your thermostat down and save electricity. That's why they, it's when

01:10:47.180 they mandated 55 miles an hour as well. Yeah. Oh, was it? That was forcing, forcing fuel savings.

01:10:54.160 I don't think that's correct by the way. What's that? That 50, it used to be, I believe 50 miles,

01:10:58.940 55 miles an hour was the most efficient speed to maintain based on like gear ratio or whatever.

01:11:02.600 But I don't think that's true today. Oh, it could be probably not. No, but, but again,

01:11:06.960 there's a bias because insurance companies lobby for it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Seatbelt laws,

01:11:11.580 but Reagan came along and said enough containment. We're going to fuck the commies. He said,

01:11:18.400 we're going to go at them economically, politically, culturally, socially, everywhere we push back.

01:11:23.680 He unharnessed, unshackled the U S economy, cut taxes, cut regulation

01:11:28.100 and went after the Soviets and the Soviet union collapsed. So leadership matters. And fortunately,

01:11:35.860 we don't have much left right now. Do you think Trump would do a good job?

01:11:38.500 I think he is, um, I think he will. I think, uh, he certainly has to, has to have learned lessons

01:11:49.700 from the people that have failed him in the past and, um, and to make better choices. And he knows,

01:11:56.660 look, I think the real constitutional crisis is that we're supposed to have three branches of

01:12:01.420 government in America. The reality is we have four. We're supposed to have an executive and a

01:12:05.760 legislative and judicial, but we have a permanent unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy that get,

01:12:12.740 that does whatever the hell they want. And they must be brought to heal. And even if that's going

01:12:18.520 back to an Andrew Jackson fired, even if it means going back to an Andrew Jackson style spoil system,

01:12:25.440 because effectively, can you lay that out for people who aren't familiar early on before the

01:12:32.980 civil service? It was, it was the, the, the paradigm that civil service were above politics

01:12:38.540 and would never tilt towards one party or the other. That's kind of the rules that made it so

01:12:43.700 that civil service can't be fired. Andrew Jackson before that said, well, if a government's elected,

01:12:49.580 they should be responsible for everybody that's in the government and should be able to hire and fire

01:12:54.140 anybody from, from bottom to top, probably some hybrid of that. Yeah. But there's, I mean, look

01:13:01.640 what Mille is doing in Argentina is so exciting. I mean, any man that takes a chainsaw to a political

01:13:08.700 rally, I can identify with it. Absolutely. That's what I'm talking about. As a symbol, as a symbol,

01:13:13.900 there was no chain on it. No, true. True. But, but yeah, but message delivered. Yeah. But yeah,

01:13:21.760 the guy is literally, he, he just unshackled the Argentine economy. In fact, he even went back to

01:13:28.100 any, you can use any currency to settle a debt now. Wow. So I, I mean, Afuera that, that I think

01:13:35.780 like Vivek needs to start saying that it's a meme. Everybody gets it. Yeah. And, and Mille is doing

01:13:42.760 it. He is. It's amazing. I mean, his first day in office, immediately after inauguration, he

01:13:47.060 zeroed out a whole bunch of agencies. Yeah. I'm, I'm a little surprised that he's, he seems to be

01:13:53.780 having the success that he's having. Cause you know, and the longevity of life. Yeah. I'm, yeah,

01:13:59.440 I'm a whole continent away and I'm not super familiar with Argentine's, Argentina's political

01:14:04.780 situation and how the, the things work on the ground. But it, from an outside perspective,

01:14:09.060 it is surprising to see someone make those kinds of dramatic changes. And you know, I hope that,

01:14:15.440 I hope that he, that he continues and I hope that he has extremely successful.

01:14:19.220 I feel like the CCP would not, wouldn't stand a chance against a decentralized Judeo-Christian

01:14:26.080 economic and, and a political system. The problem is everything's hyper-centralized and bogged down by

01:14:34.080 deep state bureaucratic elements, which restrict us from doing anything.

01:14:38.720 Correct. Look, the business of America should be business, not so much government. Yeah. And we

01:14:43.780 have an incredibly talented, innovative private sector, um, that does get thwarted and blocked

01:14:50.720 and, and redirected into so much politics. Look at how much money and cap, how much capital

01:14:56.200 has been redirected by the ESG crowd. Yeah.

01:14:59.960 To, to, to literally trying to remake the entire energy industry into doing green stuff

01:15:05.180 with no economic basis, just off of feeling horrific. I think the pendulum is starting to

01:15:12.120 swing back, but it needs to swing back harder and faster. What do you think about nuclear energy?

01:15:17.700 I think it's fantastic. Agreed. I, you know, typically what we hear from these activists

01:15:22.480 is lies about it. And I think this shows that the, that one of the problems we have particularly,

01:15:28.740 you know, again, to single out your default liberal, they don't want a solution. They want

01:15:36.000 a problem that they can monetize so that you will give them money. So the government will

01:15:40.160 give them money and then they can live in penthouses in big cities or that there's an

01:15:44.060 entire, sadly, there's an entire NGO industry that has grown up around government as a second

01:15:50.740 layer of lobbying, right? You have lobbyists that are paid and they declare I'm lobbying for

01:15:55.120 this industry. But then you have NGOs, which basically serve as staffing agencies for political

01:16:00.540 parties to feed back into the Washington system and, and advocate broader. And it's just, it's

01:16:06.700 just corruption. Again, this all comes back to unlimited ability to print money. Washington

01:16:13.460 would be less stupid if it didn't have as much money to spend. And, and so we have 33 trillion in

01:16:19.840 debt. We need to go on a diet. We need some hard economic realities and cuts. We need to do

01:16:26.660 someone like melee needs to do that to the U S bureaucracy and we need a Congress. And that's the

01:16:32.920 problem. Republicans hold Congress now, and they've still appropriated a lot of stupid shit.

01:16:38.020 Yeah. Are we, are, are they in charge or not?

01:16:42.500 Greta Thunberg, you know, uh, you know, she is right. She's afraid so. Oh yeah. She said a couple

01:16:48.140 of years ago, she says, we don't want to end fossil fuels in 10 years, in five years, we must end it

01:16:55.320 now. What would happen to the United States and what would happen to the world if we shut off all oil

01:17:02.660 production and use right now? I'll give you an example. The highest incidence of insurance claims

01:17:10.400 that we had when all our guys were in Afghanistan was lung infections. Why? Because the Afghans were

01:17:17.020 burning whatever they could to try to stay warm, trash, trash, plastic manure, manure, everything.

01:17:23.960 Cause they had a life without hydrocarbons. Yeah. That's what life would be like without

01:17:28.000 hydrocarbons. We would be miserable freezing to death in the dark, uh, in the dark. Yep. No

01:17:35.020 electricity. You'll be walking uphill to and from school. You would be, I think the estimates are

01:17:41.840 if, uh, all oil use ceased right now, like in a, in a moment within a, within a matter of days,

01:17:48.800 it's like 60 million dead. Oh, and, and probably longer than that. When'd you get a good cold snap?

01:17:53.680 Yeah. I mean, I imagine that 60 million is a little on the, on the low side. Yeah. Because

01:17:57.840 it's just all the people that rely on refrigerated. It's not just that. If food, right. Yes. Food

01:18:01.700 logistics. It's not just heat. Yeah. It's people, uh, elderly people in places like Florida without

01:18:08.260 air conditioning will die. Uh, elderly people in places that are cold without heat will die.

01:18:14.160 And more people die. And I mean, I assume that our, our listeners know this, but more people die

01:18:18.560 of, uh, of cold than of heat every year. Yeah. I mean, exposure is a, is a unforgiving.

01:18:24.980 Yeah. It's kind of crazy. I learned this when I was young. Cause, uh, you know, I had a dad who

01:18:30.160 was a Marine and a firefighter and he explained exposure. It's like, it could be 60 degrees and

01:18:35.820 you're in and they find dead bodies. It's just someone who is, they didn't get a fire going

01:18:39.960 just laying down on the ground. Like the ground will suck the heat right out of your body.

01:18:44.120 You'd be dead in three hours. There's the rule of threes, you know, three days or three minutes

01:18:49.880 without air, uh, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe unfortunately I hate to say it, but there's

01:18:54.120 got to be some kind of reset. I am not advocating for shutting down all energy or anything, but

01:18:58.260 I'm saying people have become so fat and happy and complacent and ignorant to the requirements

01:19:05.220 of human beings survive that there are people who, uh, you know, I love this meme where it's

01:19:10.140 a man and a woman standing on a, it's a cliff and there's a beautiful city and they're standing

01:19:14.900 on it and they're hugging and below it is a bunch of soldiers holding it up. I don't

01:19:20.480 think these people in cities, when they say things like abolish the police, they don't

01:19:24.200 know what life is like without security. Like you mentioned having to get an armed convoy

01:19:28.380 to go to the store to pick up groceries or something. I mean, I don't know. Do you want

01:19:32.020 to, do you want to explain what it's like living in a zero trust society or in a conflict?

01:19:37.240 It's, it's a, it's a living hell because you literally have to worry every time your kids

01:19:43.340 go in the yard or, or to go anywhere to do anything. It makes your, it makes your world

01:19:49.460 extremely small because you cannot, you don't dare go anywhere. You can't trade. You can't

01:19:56.220 even sell the skill sets that you have effectively, uh, because you can't get to where someone will

01:20:01.800 pay you for it. Again, high trust societies flourish, low trust societies collapse. And that's

01:20:07.820 what's happening in many cases, many places around the world.

01:20:10.480 It's we, we are becoming lower and lower trust every day in this country. There's a viral video

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01:22:00.560 in Wyoming. Really? Still a high trust society. Wyoming is what America was. It's too cold

01:22:06.900 to run away from anyone in Wyoming. Well, freeze to death before you get anywhere. Yeah.

01:22:11.380 I drove through Wyoming. I thought I was going to run out of gas because it was hundreds

01:22:13.960 of miles between gas stations. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. So it's a, it's a lot of, a lot

01:22:18.440 of, a lot of nothing. Big, big, big empty. A lot of good people. But a lot of good people.

01:22:23.100 Absolutely. So do you have a, do you have any, any opinion on whether or not the U.S. should

01:22:30.460 intervene in the Venezuela? Are you familiar with what Venezuela is doing? So what, what is

01:22:35.940 your take on? I think we're already involved. Are we? I believe the whole, the whole spat

01:22:42.400 with Guyana. Yeah. Because the Exxon, you know, Exxon mobile finds oil and then, and

01:22:45.860 then Venezuela is like, oh, well, you know. Just to, Venezuela already sits on more hydrocarbons,

01:22:53.100 more oil than anywhere else on the planet. Even more than Saudi Arabia. Their little neighbor,

01:22:58.980 Guyana, a former British colony to the east, made a huge discovery with Exxon four years ago.

01:23:07.260 And they've now brought it in production. Guyana is the fastest growing economy in the world.

01:23:11.380 Really? Yes. And now Venezuela has gone well off the, the cliff of socialism.

01:23:18.660 Um, they went through their Chavez revolution, pure, pure socialism. Now this clown Maduro is in

01:23:25.620 charge and it's very much a gang of, um, and interestingly, um, they're supposed to have an

01:23:32.980 election next fall. Now the Biden administration, uh, relaxed sanctions against Guyana in exchange

01:23:39.740 for them having this election. Maduro is doing his best to block anyone from running against him

01:23:44.900 and getting him removed from the ballot. Wait, Maduro's on the ballot in Guyana?

01:23:49.060 No, no. Oh, sorry. In Venezuela. Okay. Okay. Okay. But the woman who's running against him,

01:23:54.540 Maria Carina Machado, um, great libertarian candidate. He actively blocks everything she

01:24:01.300 tries to do. If she goes to a hotel, the hotel is closed the next day by the tax authorities. If she

01:24:06.160 goes to a restaurant closed the next day by the regulatory authorities. So what Maduro is doing

01:24:11.020 to Machado is very much similar to what Biden is doing to Trump nationwide.

01:24:15.320 I was just going to say that like the, it's, it sounds like a more extreme version of what the,

01:24:20.560 what the Democrat, Democrat establishment would like to do to political dissidents here.

01:24:26.400 Yep. You know, for sure there are, you know, I'm sure you've heard of the, the, uh, of media matters

01:24:30.840 and the lawsuit that's being brought against them because they really are just a, of an entire

01:24:36.520 organization dedicated to being political hit, you know, writing political hit pieces for sure.

01:24:42.160 And so go ahead. I'm sorry. So that's okay. So, uh, uh, after this, with this woman, Maria Carina

01:24:48.480 wins the primary to run against Maduro, um, the Venezuelans get spooked Maduro cloud and they,

01:24:55.340 and they roll out 130 some year old property dispute claiming that all this, about 70% of

01:25:03.800 Guyana actually belongs to Venezuela. Now they made that. Turns out that's where all the oil and gas

01:25:07.860 is. Yeah. But they made that claim like before though, isn't this. 1895. Okay. Yeah. And then

01:25:13.480 it was delineated in 1962 at independence, but conveniently roll it out right after they have a,

01:25:21.080 a viable opposition candidate. The last time there was any kind of election in Venezuela was

01:25:25.020 2014. The guy that won, never able to take office Maduro stayed in power. Really? Yeah.

01:25:31.680 Chavez did. Yeah. It's just, that is a Maduro. Maduro. It's the Maduro state. Yeah. Guyana's, uh,

01:25:38.420 GDP growth last year, 20, a 19.9%. Yeah. And it'll be much bigger this year. And again,

01:25:45.300 if they lose, it's called the Essequibo, everything West of the Essequibo river is what the, um,

01:25:52.260 the Venezuelans are claiming, um, Venezuela's are sorry. Guyana is like 800,000 people. They

01:25:57.960 don't have much of a military. I think they have two functioning helicopters left. They had a third,

01:26:02.860 but they lost it two weeks ago with a whole bunch of people on board. They need, they need capacity

01:26:08.800 to defend themselves. They need a whole country. Like 800,000 people is nobody. That's a city.

01:26:13.980 But, but the jungle always gets a vote. And the area that the Venezuelans would have to occupy is

01:26:19.580 very thick jungle. And so, you know, good. I was going to say, I just, you know, I'm just starting

01:26:27.900 to realize socialists are bad people. Yeah. I'm kidding. I didn't just realize they just,

01:26:33.040 they want to take your stuff. What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine. Right.

01:26:36.680 Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, the problem with socialism, socialism is eventually run out of other people's

01:26:41.460 money. So, you know, so Venezuela has like a million barrels in production today because it

01:26:48.980 used to be at two and a half, but because of the sanctions and other screw-ups it's, it's fallen.

01:26:53.900 So them taking, um, a huge chunk of Guyana is, uh, is good math for them. It would, if they did that,

01:27:00.360 it would bump up the Venezuelan economy by like 25%.

01:27:03.120 But it would, it would be temporary because they, the, as soon as the, the government of Venezuela

01:27:08.540 gets in charge of that area, the same thing that happened to Venezuela is going to happen to that

01:27:12.080 area. Oh yeah. That there's no, it would just stop. Yeah. I mean, that's the, that's part of the

01:27:16.300 problem they're having now is it, I mean, they have like, like Eric said, they have plenty of

01:27:20.440 resources for themselves. They can't get out of the ground because the people that know how to get it

01:27:24.000 out of the ground either got out of there or they killed or, you know, they stole the, they've

01:27:28.940 nationalized a lot of it. Yeah. They stole the, the infrastructure from ExxonMobil who built it in the

01:27:32.600 first place and the people they have running it don't know how to get oil out of the ground.

01:27:36.160 So that problem is only going to be, uh, the same problem in the, in the new, new area they,

01:27:42.300 they occupy. So should the, I'm wondering, should the U S be involved in Guyana in some way? Or I'm

01:27:50.840 wondering if just it's, it's Exxon's responsibility, their private corporation, they can defend their,

01:27:55.360 their oil fields. Um, Guyana has money. They can spend money on buying defense capacity from

01:28:04.120 wherever they need to defend their territory. It's not something you have to send U S troops to be

01:28:09.060 involved in. That's the best, but there's plenty of capacity that they can buy or they can rent and

01:28:14.680 they need to do something soon. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's kind of fascinating. You've got,

01:28:18.400 you've got a lot of oil, you've got a lot of resources that can be sold for high value.

01:28:22.740 If the Venezuelans get their hand on hands on it, it becomes zero. But for the time being,

01:28:27.600 if properly managed, they Guyana can defend it. Absolutely. And it's a national becomes a national

01:28:34.880 annuity. I mean, I think the, the royalty payments were like a billion six last year,

01:28:39.180 and it's supposed to go up by twice that for this, uh, for 24. I think, uh, I think the U S is

01:28:44.900 involved already. I think we're flying something over there. They did some joint military flights or

01:28:50.260 something, which means a U S aircraft would fly over Guyana. Right. There's only 800,000 of them.

01:28:54.640 Nothing significant. How do you know what the population of Venezuela is? Is it? Uh, I think

01:29:00.780 it's about 24, 25 million. Yeah. Caracas has more people than the, than, than the whole country.

01:29:05.980 And, and the, and the population of the, uh, as a Quibo is very small, very thin. Yeah. There's

01:29:12.320 like no roads. Yeah. It is deep, six dudes in loincloths. That's it. What do we have? How do

01:29:21.100 you, uh, actually find that specific as a Quibo dispute? They say it's going back to the 15th

01:29:28.360 century. I don't know. I, I, I, I, I suppose. Yeah. I just, I don't want Venezuela to move in it.

01:29:36.560 I have concerns about, you know, what we can talk about world war three. You know,

01:29:42.080 what really frustrates me is when I say something like civil war, people immediately think 1861

01:29:47.220 and they don't think Bolshevik revolution. They don't think Weimar Germany. They don't think Spain

01:29:51.140 other or Syria, other civil wars have happened. And they're very, very different to what happened

01:29:55.760 here in the United States. And when we talk about world war three, they assume it means the U S

01:30:00.540 versus Russia or something. And I'm like, no, no, no. World war could be Venezuela is in full

01:30:07.200 scale war, uh, in South America. The invasion of Guyana triggers some kind of territorial dispute,

01:30:11.940 but Brazil is on the borders there as well. Tensions are escalating. Then you've got Middle East,

01:30:16.120 you've got Iran, you've got the Red Sea conflict. Now you've got Eastern Europe and then China invades

01:30:20.320 Taiwan. There is hot conflict happening in every region of the globe. You have a world war.

01:30:24.420 I'm wondering if, uh, uh, like what, what is, what is the likelihood of either that version or a full

01:30:31.720 scale, like hot conflict between us and Western power or Eastern powers? I, you got to think about

01:30:37.120 who the provocateurs are behind Venezuela doing this. Cuba had attached itself as a client state,

01:30:43.980 like a tick onto the Soviet union. And they received huge aid from them until 91 when the Soviet union

01:30:49.600 collapsed. Then Cuba was kind of on its own and they drifted and they attached themselves to

01:30:54.300 Venezuela. First with doctors, then with military intelligence advisors, but there is significant

01:31:00.000 Cuban presence and muscle inside Venezuela. There's significant Russian and Iranian capacity

01:31:07.020 there now as well. Yeah. Okay. So the Iranians have built a drone factory. There's a couple thousand

01:31:11.760 Iranian in Venezuela. And I'd imagine they would like these oil fields too. Sure. Absolutely.

01:31:18.480 Cuba could take it for themselves and then they're feeding, uh, all of Cuba with, with Guyana oil.

01:31:23.080 Hezbollah, the Lebanese proxy force. Look, when the, when the Lebanese civil war happened in the seventies,

01:31:33.540 you had a huge amount of talented people, a lot of Lebanese Christians and Sunnis that fled

01:31:40.920 all over the world. And they settled in a lot of different small spots and they built really good

01:31:46.940 trading networks and Lebanon, uh, Hezbollah as a terror organization has built on those trading

01:31:52.840 networks, especially for drugs and arms trafficking. Now all through, um, uh, South America and getting

01:32:01.440 very established in Venezuela. And look, the reason Venezuela was called the city of gold or El Dorado

01:32:07.280 is because there's a ton of gold and oil and resources in the country. It is a, that is a place to be

01:32:14.140 pillaged in their mind and they're doing it now. What do you think the chances of the United States

01:32:21.840 invoking the Monroe doctrine and, and becoming well, the interesting, the interesting thing about

01:32:31.240 the vote, I think it was a double fuck you to America is that Venezuela declared this vote

01:32:37.680 on the 200th anniversary to the day of the Monroe doctrine of the announcement.

01:32:45.380 And that probably that I imagine that was not an accident. I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think

01:32:50.180 so. For anyone that, uh, is listening and doesn't know the Monroe doctrine is basically the United

01:32:55.200 States saying any, uh, countries from the Eastern hemisphere, uh, have no business meddling in the

01:33:02.080 affairs in the Western hemisphere and we will get, or the United States will get cranky about it. And

01:33:07.060 by cranky, I mean, drop bombs, but it doesn't seem like they do. I mean, this president, no,

01:33:12.340 but I mean, I don't, I don't know what, you know, Trump would do should there, should Trump win.

01:33:16.820 Look, this, this speaks to the need for American foreign policy. And I agree with you. We have too

01:33:23.600 many military interventions, way too many. But when you think about the, and we talked about what is,

01:33:29.840 what is war? It's a continuum of conflict. And you think about the continuum of, of options you

01:33:37.060 have to deal with that. You have diplomats and embassies conferences. Okay. Uh, you have diplomats

01:33:43.480 for that. And then you have the other end, you have aircraft carriers and tank divisions and, and

01:33:49.200 big weapons. The middle, the 80% of the middle is the intelligence community with, um, covert action

01:33:58.180 action that can be done to shape those outcomes so that the big, big green machine never has to get

01:34:04.400 involved. When, after nine 11 happened, when the president went to the cabinet, went to camp David

01:34:11.300 to say, what the hell do we do? The Pentagon, while its headquarters was still smoldering, said,

01:34:17.500 we want to do a mechanized invasion of Afghanistan from Pakistan with 45,000 man unit, but we're not going

01:34:23.920 to do that until the following April. That's the best the Pentagon came with. It was the CIA that

01:34:30.120 said money authorities. And in three weeks, the flies will be walking on the eyeballs of our enemies.

01:34:35.300 It was Kofor black, the head of the counterterrorism center. And that worked. They took less than 100

01:34:40.880 agency and special operations guys backed by air power and smashed the Taliban in the eighties.

01:34:48.000 And so I can give you lots of examples of small, impotent, uh, application of force that affects the

01:34:59.120 battlefield. In Nick, in the eighties, the Sandinistas, you had a communist government in

01:35:03.800 Nicaragua actively cooperating with the Cubans and the Soviets, and they were pushing all kinds of

01:35:08.540 weapons and problems into El Salvador. So the agency modified one boat, basically a big scarab, put a,

01:35:17.260 put a one inch chain gun, a 25 millimeter chain gun on the bow of it. And one little bird with rockets

01:35:22.740 smashed the ability of the, of the enemy to resupply. No big DOD involvement at all. Small

01:35:30.200 footprint works almost every time. This is the, the, what you're outlining here. It's reminiscent of

01:35:39.420 the kind of, uh, kind of operation that Shank was talking about wanting to see in Gaza, which is,

01:35:46.620 you know, special forces kind of idea. Now I don't know that the application would, or AOCs are the

01:35:50.620 same thing. Did she? Well, I don't know. She was saying effectively surgical strikes on, on Hamas

01:35:54.740 leadership. Well, I mean, that's what they're doing. That's surgical strikes in an urban area

01:35:58.920 look like what happens in Gaza, you know? Okay. Trying to do special operations forces into a

01:36:05.400 city, urban labyrinth, which is what it is. And it's not just a three 60, it's a 720 threat because they

01:36:11.580 have massive tunnel network underneath doesn't really work. You need only a conventional

01:36:19.000 grinding approach. I did, um, I did recommend to the Israelis to try a drilling strategy of taking

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01:38:29.360 are now flooding the tunnels with seawater. As any building where you have a busted pipe,

01:38:34.820 water is a pretty unstoppable force. Yeah. We had a, we had a leak the other day. It is,

01:38:40.580 it is a nightmare. You still have it. We walked by it. No, it's, it's, it's the water. Well,

01:38:44.600 yes, the water is shut off, but it's crazy how you get a leak. Everybody who owns a house knows this

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01:38:55.060 and it happens so, so quickly. Get the fans on there, dried out as fast as possible. Man,

01:39:00.040 it is crazy. Now I couldn't imagine dumping, flooding seawater and it's an unstoppable force.

01:39:07.220 Yes. And, and I would recommend bringing the same kind of stuff you use for flooding, um,

01:39:13.920 um, duck impoundments, 36 inch flexible vinyl pipes that you can literally create rivers of flow.

01:39:21.440 And again, pee for plenty. Yeah. Water is, sea water is cheap and available and it would,

01:39:27.500 it would flood all their weapons caches. It makes them move the hostages and it denies them use of

01:39:33.940 tunnels as a, as an ability to maneuver. So I guess what's your, what's your general overview of this

01:39:38.760 coming year? You know, there's, there's world war three fear. There's civil war fear. It's going to be

01:39:43.080 a wild, wild. There's a lot of, there's a lot of people. All right. There are going to be riots

01:39:47.940 upon the, the, the actual announcement of whatever the announcement will be after the, the, the 4th

01:39:56.560 of November. But like, what about, I think that there's going to be problems leading up to it.

01:40:00.980 Yes. I think it's up for, so that's, it's an interesting, so who are the people best able

01:40:07.480 to stop that kind of nonsense and prevent riots from happening? Who is charged that responsibility?

01:40:12.300 Fathers? Mayor. No, first, well, mayors. Okay. Yeah. Chiefs of police.

01:40:20.100 Those people must be prepared to make difficult decisions with imperfect information and to lock

01:40:27.520 that shit down. If they, unless they want to see their societies look like Ghazni or, or, or Gaza

01:40:34.980 and have it melted down by riots, they must maintain law and order. I, I fear that that's

01:40:43.280 actually a destabilizing force. I don't know that there's an alternate answer. And I, I don't think

01:40:50.840 I could, I, I, with, with what the far left has already done in Seattle, Portland, Minnesota, Atlanta,

01:40:58.400 with the, and now stop cop city, it's not just a stop cop city. It was the Wendy's that these

01:41:03.600 autonomous zones that they've created and defended with, with rifles. Are you familiar

01:41:07.900 with top cop city stuff? Are the chop, the chop, the, the thing that they did in Washington?

01:41:12.560 No, no cop cities. And actually there's a, uh, uh, they're trying to build a training facility

01:41:17.320 outside of, uh, Atlanta. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's essentially it's under siege. Yeah.

01:41:21.960 They're shooting. They shot a cop. So, so they, they set fire to houses. They, they set

01:41:26.100 fire to construction equipment. They, they, they torched a private truck from, some, from

01:41:29.720 random guy. And speaking to your point about having the courage to do anything. So that

01:41:33.400 comes down on governor Kemp, knock that shit off. Well, so they're sure the Georgia state

01:41:38.420 patrol, if you gave them direction would lock that down. So there was a hundred plus far left

01:41:45.740 extremists who stormed into the government property through the fences. There was, I believe

01:41:49.980 they firebombed some construction equipment and now 60 plus are being charged with state

01:41:54.600 level, very serious charges. Federal government doesn't seem to care at all. But if we're

01:41:58.720 coming into 2024 and you see, you know, Brian Kemp says security corridor, we're locking this

01:42:04.560 down. We're going to defend. We're going to have police. The far leftists are going to

01:42:08.120 use that. I'm not saying you don't do it. I'm just saying there there's a component in

01:42:13.020 which the far left then says, see everything we told you was correct. And these as a recruiting

01:42:16.900 tool, the, the fear I have with this is it's like, it's a tower that's wobbling left and

01:42:22.380 right. And the more we try to stabilize it, the more it just grows and starts wobbling

01:42:27.580 further and faster and faster. Yeah. But I don't think you can, you can't let them go

01:42:31.140 unchecked. I agree. They have people have malfeasance must meet, must be met with consequences.

01:42:38.220 I think the challenge is there's no, there is no central force in this country. There,

01:42:44.560 there is no there, there perhaps seven years ago, I'm having these conversations about the

01:42:51.660 fear of civil war with the rising tensions. We saw people fighting in the streets. I'm

01:42:55.660 at the Trump rallies in 2015 when, when they're beating elderly people. And then we started

01:43:00.420 seeing these articles pop up, people talking about it. I was told over and over again by

01:43:04.460 these conservative influencers, it's impossible for there to be a civil war in this country

01:43:08.320 because the, the central state, the state, the federal government powers, security apparatus

01:43:13.700 would never allow tribal faction fights to escalate. The only problem now is the federal government

01:43:19.260 is a component of the tribalism, the targeting of Trump supporters and the ignoring of the far

01:43:23.840 left extremists. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that, and there's just general buffoonery across

01:43:27.740 so many federal agencies. Yeah. There's just not serious people anywhere. Right. So

01:43:33.820 if you look at January six, for instance, uh, we were talking to Marianne Williams in the other

01:43:37.660 night, we, uh, uh, I asked about the January, the, the J sixers who are being criminally charged

01:43:44.540 and Marianne's response is generally, well, the juries decided if this person should go to prison,

01:43:48.940 they should, that's how the system works. And then I asked about the May 29th insurrection

01:43:52.840 to which she says, what was that? When they firebombed the white house, forced the president,

01:43:57.360 the emergency bunker set fire, set fire to St. John's church, 70 plus police officers are injured.

01:44:01.100 She said, I don't know anything about it. How, how can we have stability when you have

01:44:08.600 far left extremists? I mean, I gotta, I gotta be completely honest. The threat of violence from

01:44:15.900 the far left outweighs the right to such a psychotic and extreme degree, but that is not

01:44:21.140 the perspective of your default liberal or even a presidential candidate. Cause the only thing they

01:44:25.440 hear in the press is the far right is bad. January 6th was bad. It was a riot. We get that,

01:44:30.100 but you had four stupid, but it was not an insurrection because it would be the first

01:44:33.660 insurrection in history to show up unarmed in a country with like 300 million personally owned

01:44:40.940 firearms. The, the insert, the idea of it being insurrection is just, is for political useful.

01:44:46.040 But on the far left, we've had four occupations and, and, and those are large scale. What people

01:44:54.480 don't even include in the occupations in, in, uh, in Portland, roving bands of armed far left

01:44:59.880 extremists have been taking over, uh, street corners, aiming rifles at trucks. There was a famous,

01:45:06.000 uh, uh, I shouldn't say famous, but there was a well-known story where a truck driver got out and

01:45:09.620 aimed his nine millimeter at a far left extremists who had a five, five, six. And I'm like,

01:45:14.680 that's happening on the streets of this country. The media, it's not, it's not a pressing issue

01:45:18.620 that going into 2024. Oh boy. If you've got far left extremists that are willing to firebomb

01:45:25.860 police vehicles, the white house, uh, they firebombed federal building in Portland for 90 plus days.

01:45:30.960 And only a small handful of people ever get charged for this. What do you think is going to

01:45:34.580 happen? If you know, these cities say we're going to bring in security forces, the far left is going

01:45:39.560 to ramp things up like we've never seen. So again, the people that are in positions of that people

01:45:44.060 have sworn an oath in positions of responsibility, those chiefs of police, state police, governors

01:45:51.060 have to do their job. And it's not to say that every governor is going to be great because they're

01:45:55.040 not, there's a lot of weaklings, but moral courage is contagious. And when a few governors

01:46:01.960 do the right thing and lock it down, um, eventually they'll figure it out.

01:46:08.420 I agree. Moral courage is contagious. I don't think that we have any morally or we have exceedingly

01:46:14.780 few morally courageous people in government.

01:46:17.420 Well, I agree. I, I do think there needs to be a security play in place, but here's my

01:46:24.140 fear. I can't say at what probability this would be, but what do we know right now about

01:46:29.520 how the media operates in this country alongside the escalation of political tribal tensions?

01:46:36.080 If the far right farts, it is headline New York times. The end is nine. If a far leftist murder

01:46:42.500 someone in cold blood, nobody touches the story. David Dorn shot and killed during the summer of

01:46:48.480 love riots. And they say the far right is dangerous. In fact, Kamala Harris solicits donations.

01:46:54.160 Joe Biden staff pays donations to get these people out of jail.

01:46:56.860 Kyle Rittenhouse. They whipped that into a frenzy.

01:46:59.500 Absolutely. Try them. Yeah. So my fear we're entering 2024. We've got primaries rallies.

01:47:07.260 The, when I was covering the Trump presidency, uh, presidential campaign in 2015, 2016,

01:47:13.160 I watched roving bands of Bernie Sanders supporters and Oh, they, they lied, lied when I would say,

01:47:20.340 Oh, these are Bernie guys that were mercilessly beating people in the streets. And how did you

01:47:25.000 know that? Oh, the guy was wearing a Bernie shirt. What do you want me to say? A 20 something year

01:47:28.920 old man with a Bernie shirt, punched another guy in the face. What else can you want me to say here?

01:47:35.900 My fear would be this, uh, local police are instructed guys. We're having a political,

01:47:42.800 uh, it's, it's a primary night and Donald Trump is doing this thing or otherwise. Uh, we need to be

01:47:49.660 on high alert. Police go out far left extremist throws a brick at a cop's face fight breaks out

01:47:57.240 far left extremist gets, you know, in the scuffle, beaten and arrested. The media then reports

01:48:04.760 police mercilessly beat peace activists, unprovoked something to this effect. The media will lie.

01:48:11.560 They will cover it up. They will blame the cops when a far leftist does something psychotic or extreme.

01:48:17.700 Yeah. The communication cycle has to be much faster where the body cam footage has to be

01:48:24.000 released immediately so that the media doesn't get to lie. Cause I don't lie anyway. I mean,

01:48:28.680 look at George Floyd, that the body camera footage didn't come out fast enough and it should have

01:48:33.380 changed a lot of the context. I still think there's issues there for sure. But during Occupy

01:48:38.900 wall street, I'm live streaming or actually this is a common occurrence with Occupy wall street.

01:48:44.240 I'm out live streaming a protest. It is all raw real time from start to finish

01:48:49.460 activists. And, uh, I would say media corporate press activists. I don't want to call them journalists

01:48:56.600 will say nothing about my broadcast. The moment a far left extremist chucks a bottle at a

01:49:03.340 cop. They say nothing. When the cop response, they instantly tweet police are now beating

01:49:08.440 protesters. They then say, look, he's been live the whole time. This is a live stream of the police

01:49:13.420 unprovoked beating protesters. Even though you could have watched the whole thing raw in real time,

01:49:18.800 they wait until only the police are reacting and then blame the police for doing it. Now that being

01:49:24.780 said, police have instigated some of these fights of the rights. I've been, I'm not saying it's not the

01:49:27.820 case, but what you'll get is there's a, a viral video Occupy wall street, their media activists

01:49:33.460 put out where it shows a cop swinging his baton violently, just striking protesters who are holding

01:49:39.120 their hands up. What did they cut from the video? The protesters first hitting the cops and ripping

01:49:45.340 the barricades down and shoving the police to which a cop in panic starts swinging wildly and

01:49:49.980 blindly. Sure. They only show the one thing. A text without a context is a pretext for trouble.

01:49:55.520 And it's the same thing that Hamas, well, not maybe not Hamas. Well, Hamas does definitely,

01:49:59.940 but I've seen a lot of that kind of stuff. Uh, you know, people that attack Israeli soldiers in,

01:50:05.140 in Israel, like they'll show the part where the Israeli soldier is like fighting back or,

01:50:10.440 you know, is kicking someone, but they don't show that the, the person just tried to knife them or

01:50:14.700 whatever. And that kind of stuff you see coming out of Israel frequently. Look, and you see the same

01:50:19.040 tactics with the left here and it's frustrating as hell to me. And it's a disciplined, and it's a

01:50:23.720 trained disciplined rioters with funding with assault groups, with the command group, with drone

01:50:32.220 overwatch. Yeah. You see some, some organization to that. Uh, if we had a proper FBI, they'd be

01:50:38.520 figuring out who was behind that. Uh, but the FBI is too busy going after Trump supporters.

01:50:43.420 Yeah. So we have major problems, but this is why I'm domestic problems. I, for one, I don't think

01:50:50.040 we'll see proper security, uh, uh, throughout the next year, January six, it's laughable that, uh,

01:50:56.980 you know, media matters wrote a story claiming that they, that it is likely to put for knowledge

01:51:01.240 of January six, because I had said in September of 2020, something like the oath keepers, the proud

01:51:07.580 boys and these Trump supporters are going to storm the white house in November. What I was talking

01:51:11.960 about was no one will accept, uh, uh, you know, Trump not winning the selection. Of course,

01:51:17.320 nobody stormed the white house in November, but on January six, there was the Capitol thing. And

01:51:20.620 they're arguing that was the same thing. The reality was I read the news and I heard what they were

01:51:25.520 reporting and said, wow, these people are angry. And if this happens, they're going to, they're going

01:51:29.720 to go to DC. How is it that I was able to say, see that and law enforcement and the U S government

01:51:36.300 was not, I think the reality is they were able to see it and they ignored it. Or depending on how deep

01:51:41.100 you want to go down a rabbit hole, wanted it to happen or facilitated it. Yeah. Well,

01:51:45.740 willful ignorance is still ignorance. Yeah. But I guess what I see with 2024 is,

01:51:50.120 well, the FBI is not going to stop the far left extremists. If anything, they're just going to sit

01:51:54.600 back and watch it happen and cheer for it. They don't seem to care at all. But state governments,

01:51:59.960 state authorities have a significant amount of authority and they need to man up and do their jobs.

01:52:04.320 Blue States will allow the violence in the riding and completely ignore it. And their allies in media

01:52:08.740 will act like it's not happening. Like we saw in the summer of love. And then when red States do

01:52:13.220 respond properly to deal with the riots, the corporate press will say Trump supporting maggots,

01:52:19.220 that's what they call them, are going full fascist and mercilessly beating peace protesters,

01:52:24.960 rallying people in blue States, either because there is a social pressure, a monetary incentive,

01:52:31.320 or an ideological drive to do so. The left has deluded themselves into thinking that Trump is

01:52:36.940 Hitler. And so they, they then justify any breach of law to block. Yeah. Hitler.

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01:54:18.340 You know, when we're talking very early in the show, you said it would you say grad you

01:54:25.120 effectively said gradually, then suddenly these changes happen very, very rapidly.

01:54:28.740 Yeah, I think there may be an inflection point in 2024 where overnight people are just saying

01:54:34.860 it's black and white. So one day you go to sleep, next day you wake up and there's no milk, there's

01:54:39.180 no gas powers off. That has a sad way of waking people up. One thing that what I've been working

01:54:49.060 on the last three and a half years, really since the nonsense around the last election and seeing big

01:54:54.240 tech, throw people off of platforms and silencing and censoring, I said, we need to build a phone

01:54:59.860 that does not have that's uncancelable. And so we've done that. This is a new phone. It's our

01:55:05.800 hardware, our operating system, completely independent of the Google and Apple universe

01:55:10.200 with our own secure messenger as well.

01:55:12.920 Does he use his Android?

01:55:14.420 It's Android based, but it's our hardware, our operating system. It doesn't have an advertising

01:55:19.440 ID. It's not capable of having an advertising ID. And so all the apps that are normally harvesting

01:55:25.140 and exporting your data is blocked by this operating system. So you can have an app on

01:55:32.060 here and it protects your privacy.

01:55:35.800 What's the name of it?

01:55:36.540 It's called unplugged.

01:55:37.840 There have been a lot of attempts at phones like this. You know, how's it going?

01:55:43.340 If you've heard of, you ever heard of Pegasus? Pegasus is a very potent phone virus. The

01:55:49.400 guy that developed Pegasus is our CTO. Um, but Pegasus was developed while he did it as

01:55:55.260 a way for a phone company to do remote phone service. They send you a text, they click on

01:55:58.860 it, they fix your phone to leave. When it became offensive, he left and built a secure phone

01:56:03.900 and it's Android is, uh, it's got a front facing camera. Yep. Is there a light, but, but that's

01:56:11.340 also a, um, it's the first phone with an actual firewall, which you can hard off any of those, any

01:56:18.840 of those endpoints so that you control them and, uh, no one else can. Does unplugged have a Twitter

01:56:23.220 account? Um, it's the up phone. It's called unplugged phone. Yep. Unplugged. Yep. That's it.

01:56:30.220 Cool. Privacy center. Is there a indicator for when the front facing camera is on?

01:56:37.260 Uh, not an indicator, but you have right here, camera blocked. It's off. It's impossible to

01:56:43.300 turn it on. All right. So, uh, this is a, this is a great story down to the, down to the root of

01:56:48.760 our operating system. Off is off on is on. This also even has a kill switch here on the side,

01:56:54.300 which when you slide it over, it separates the battery from the electronics. No way. That's a good

01:57:00.080 one. So off is off. And the other thing you'll like is on our messenger. It actually disconnects

01:57:04.580 the context. Is that what it physically separates the battery from the electronics? It's an,

01:57:08.080 it's a physical off switch. Yes. It's, isn't it amazing that we've gotten rid of those. It's like

01:57:12.320 when you used to be able to pull the battery out of the phone, same thing. That's what it does.

01:57:16.000 The other thing is our messenger has a function called a clear pin data code where someone says,

01:57:22.120 Tim, give me your phone. I want to inspect your messages. You say, sure. And you unlock it with a

01:57:26.000 certain code and it wipes it, wipes it down to zero. I love it. So, uh, this is built off of 15

01:57:34.620 years of experience of, of abuse of a, of the regulatory state. This is the, this is the phone,

01:57:41.980 which gives people the ability to control their own communications. When is it going to be available?

01:57:48.340 Um, we just delivered the first 500. I've got 10,000 more coming and we'll ramp it up the supply

01:57:53.200 chain. It is made not in China. The nice, but does that mean to made in America or no,

01:57:57.880 it's not made in America yet. Yeah. But not in China is good. It's a good start. Uh,

01:58:01.520 the physical battery room, the actual physical disconnect for the battery is an absolute

01:58:07.180 after occupy wall street, my phones could not be turned off. Yes. I had two phones at an Apple

01:58:13.720 and an Android, the Apple, the iPhone, you can't remove the battery, the Android you could

01:58:17.740 after occupy wall street, I was heavily featured in, you know, a bunch of magazine stuff. I was

01:58:22.900 getting a bunch of followers, getting asked to speak everywhere. And, uh, my phones would

01:58:28.000 not turn off. I would turn them off instantly. They would both turn back on. And now, now why

01:58:32.420 is that? Well, my hacker buddies are like, it's because you're being spied on big brother

01:58:36.680 listening. Yeah. And so, uh, they have the means to make sure your phone does not shut

01:58:41.840 off the Android. I pull the battery out. Now it's off the iPhone. Nothing. Can't turn it

01:58:46.640 off. Could not be done. Same sentiment here. So, uh, uh, there was a phone that I got a few

01:58:52.020 years ago called, uh, it was, it was, I forgot it was called the something McLaren. It has

01:58:56.400 a, uh, a mechanical front-facing camera that stores itself in the phone. And when you want

01:59:02.560 to use it, it goes, slides out. The funny thing about it, my girlfriend was browsing

01:59:08.340 the web and she would notice it would pop up and then go down. Why? Because the websites

01:59:13.340 had code on them to activate the front-facing camera, take a picture and send it to them.

01:59:16.840 So, uh, for everybody who is listening, when you're browsing those websites and you know

01:59:22.840 which ones I'm talking about, they could have a picture of your face. That's why I asked

01:59:26.700 about an indicator. So, uh, I don't know if the, the, uh, I don't know if, uh, I don't

01:59:31.520 hear camera blocked. Right. And you can test that when you want to quick catch a, you know,

01:59:38.040 a picture at a sporting event and you try to get to the camera, like camera is off per privacy

01:59:42.400 settings. So a lot of people will just put tape over their front-facing cameras, but

01:59:46.680 now they have a picture of your face. Yeah. The cool thing about it though, I will say

01:59:50.600 there's, there's, there's, there's, and, and you have the option, but, uh, the security

01:59:54.420 features that I have for my phone, for instance, is if you try to open it and you don't have

01:59:57.700 the right fingerprint or your code is wrong, it takes a picture of your face, sends it

02:00:01.800 to my email. That's cool. Yep. So when someone steals your phone and they open it and

02:00:07.140 they, they mess up, it goes picture right away. I know you're ugly. I see you. And then

02:00:12.200 you can, we can add that. I know a guy that's, it's, it's a great feature, but you, that would

02:00:16.200 be like, if you, you know, not everybody's going to turn their camera off. You keep your

02:00:19.900 camera on for quick use at a sporting event and stuff like that, you know, but I do like

02:00:23.440 the, uh, mechanical battery separation. That that's fun. The fact that you can actually

02:00:27.560 confirm that it's turned off is, is cool. The fact that that feature is novel is kind of

02:00:35.660 scary. Yeah. Look, phones have become, uh, basically a digital billboard and, and the,

02:00:43.960 the big guys collect and resell your data to the tune of about $180 a year. They know where

02:00:48.900 you go, what you buy, who you call and what you browse before even the apps that you put

02:00:53.560 on your phone do more of the same of harvesting and selling that data. I've talked to so many

02:00:58.480 people and they say, man, I was, I was talking to my wife about needing a new mattress in

02:01:04.960 our bedroom. And the next day they're getting advertising for mattresses. Whoa. Talking

02:01:10.720 about it means their phone is listening. This phone does not listen to you. It's incapable

02:01:15.220 of it. The argument that I hear people make when they're, when you're talking about stuff

02:01:19.120 like that, that phenomenon that everyone is kind of familiar with. I was talking about

02:01:22.180 this thing. And then I saw advertisements. Um, I hear it explained as you, your, the algorithms

02:01:29.260 get so good at predicting your, your behaviors and stuff and, and using the, uh, using those

02:01:37.640 predictions to select advertisement, to go into your feed or whatever that you notice when

02:01:43.760 you talk about something and you see an ad, but there's so many ads that go by that you

02:01:48.720 don't notice because you haven't said anything. So I don't know if it's, you know, I don't

02:01:53.300 know for sure. The Atlantic just ran an article. It's not that like they don't have the capability

02:01:57.640 to do it because clearly they do. In an era of AI, um, by the time a kid in America reaches

02:02:04.640 the age of 13, they've, um, there's been 72 million data points collected on them. It's

02:02:10.820 like digital grooming. Yeah. Uh, so for a parent that is not wanting that for their kid, this

02:02:17.300 is an option, you know, it's, it's, it is hard. It is amazing to realize how much digital

02:02:23.480 exhaust we put off and in a, and how much information that actually is. If you have people

02:02:29.840 that are smart enough to read it the right way. Yes. And if you're used to a high trust

02:02:33.280 society, it doesn't matter. You can maybe get away with that, but in a low trust society,

02:02:38.240 then you become a, um, a control Lee. And I don't think, um, I'm not ready to go there.

02:02:44.420 No. Um, the, the, this topic, the, the, the phone algorithms and stuff like that. Um,

02:02:53.180 I had a point that I was going to make and I just totally lost it. Damn it.

02:02:58.380 I'm, I'm sorry. I'm, I'm actually trying to order some of those phones right now.

02:03:02.260 I've, I've put a link. I feel talk. Cause I'm a, yeah, I, I like it too. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thinking,

02:03:07.600 I'm thinking I'll probably pick one up too.

02:03:08.940 Oh, you sold me with the mechanical battery, the physical battery thing. Yeah. Cause you know,

02:03:14.080 we've, we've talked with people about making secure phones and it's always a, yeah, you know,

02:03:18.400 but it's still, it's still, how do you trust it completely? You don't, but buying a phone with

02:03:24.000 better security is better than nothing. So, but that, that right there is what service does that go on?

02:03:28.120 It runs on, um, T-Mobile or AT&T, um, Patriot mobile. Um, and, uh, we'll have a, a global data

02:03:37.300 roaming SIM by the time the next 10,000. If you're going to talk to your buddy, talk to your buddy

02:03:41.040 about getting it to talk to Starlink too, because. Ah, well no, look, it'll, it'll connect to any

02:03:45.540 Starlink at anybody's, anybody's wifi and you can stay off the, stay off it completely. Sure. We also

02:03:50.360 have a, uh, a special SIM that we can roll the IMEI to make it very, very difficult to track.

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02:05:29.740 Yeah, we had the guys from Freedom Phone, which is a similar concept.

02:05:35.080 Similar, but that was kind of a rescaned Chinese phone. And we've tried to learn some of those

02:05:40.160 lessons. And it wasn't so much about security. It was more about cutting yourself off from the woke

02:05:45.760 corporate machine and the tracking of big tech. This has got more security features. The issue

02:05:52.220 was that we were trying to order, we wanted to do a review of it. And we could not, I said,

02:05:57.920 we can't do a review of it if we accept a phone from you. Because then we're getting a Potemkin

02:06:02.380 phone, basically. We have to order it through the normal process. And it has to be ordered to

02:06:06.200 someone who's not us. And the waitlist was too long. And we're never able to actually get it.

02:06:10.240 Huh. The idea is if we're going to do a legitimate review, it's got to be a name they don't know who

02:06:15.720 orders the phone and gets it. Then we get it. I'm like, if you give us a phone, I mean, come on,

02:06:20.580 it's not a real review. It's like, fair enough, you know? So, but you know, for this, I ordered it

02:06:25.620 because I want it. You sold me on the, you can disconnect the battery contacts from it. I'm like,

02:06:30.660 oh, okay, wow, great. Off means off. I remember back in the day, my paranoid hacker buddies throwing

02:06:35.780 their phones, taking the batteries out and throwing it in the freezer and then closing it or

02:06:38.580 turning water on and putting their phone next to it, things like that. Though I don't believe

02:06:42.920 that is as effective as they think it is. Probably. Yeah. But isn't it sad that a device

02:06:49.480 we depend on so much in a high trust society can be, uh, can be that insidious and used against us?

02:06:57.980 I think the scarier thing about it is that kids who are growing up today will think it's normal.

02:07:03.360 Oh. It's normal to be tracked 24 seven to be spied on.

02:07:07.080 It's Orwellian. I remember reading 1984 in 1984 and, uh, and I, I, I spent my seventh birthday

02:07:16.440 in East Berlin in 1976 and seeing the guns and the dogs and the minefields and everything

02:07:22.560 literally holding people in East Germany, not letting them leave a national prison colony.

02:07:27.760 I thought, what the hell? This is not this, this Bolshevik thing is not, not it.

02:07:33.240 I will say it's going to be, uh, what's the right word? I would say funny, but the circumstances of

02:07:38.860 conflict aren't funny, but you know, funny, maybe the right word when in 2024, all the far leftists

02:07:43.800 and all the right wingers are all using your phones. Cause it's like, it doesn't matter if

02:07:48.040 you're left, right, up, down, whatever, it's a secure phone. And that's what we have to use.

02:07:51.000 So it's like Antifa has got the unplugged phone, a free people require the ability to communicate

02:07:55.880 securely and freely. We also have a really good VPN, which works everywhere in the world.

02:08:00.860 And I, when I say everywhere, I mean, everywhere. Hmm. I, I, I need to get one of these.

02:08:06.580 What, what, what, what triggered this desire to make a phone? He's the nonsense around the 2020

02:08:11.720 election. Oh, wow. They're, uh, they're pulling up Google searches for some of these guys.

02:08:18.960 And I gotta be honest. It's actually kind of, I'm sorry. It's funny. One guy on January 4th

02:08:24.580 searched for gas mask. Then on the fifth searched for, can I bring gas mask on plane? Then on the

02:08:31.360 sixth, they searched for pepper spray, washing pepper spray off. And then on like the seventh,

02:08:36.480 they searched Capitol riot, you know, Capitol police. And it's just like, we know exactly

02:08:42.140 what you're thinking, bro, before, during, and after dude, all of your Google searches,

02:08:47.280 all of them. I'm sorry. You think incognito mode is protecting you? It's not. No. Right.

02:08:53.920 But they tell you this too. And like, you open private tabs or whatever. It's like,

02:08:56.980 this won't record in your computer, but they are still spying on you.

02:09:02.180 It's if, if someone's looking at your IP, it's in Google controls, 90 some percent

02:09:06.320 of search. The U S government broke up standard oil when they controlled 90% of hydrocarbons.

02:09:12.260 Google must be broken up. I make this point frequently. It's be, I don't easily enforce

02:09:18.100 antitrust laws. Please read the book, the myth of capitalism, Jonathan Tepper, Eric, you, you,

02:09:24.800 you know, as well as I do that, they're not going to do that because all they have to do is subpoena

02:09:28.800 the data that Google collects. And then the government and the Google does the job, the

02:09:33.380 government wishes that it could do. And if they subpoena that information, they get the information.

02:09:37.760 So, you know, Google is just another, you're right. You're right. Part of the military industrial

02:09:41.980 complex. You are, you are correct. They could, but the reason why Google will not be broken up

02:09:46.360 is not that, although it is very useful for the security state and the bureaucratic state to utilize

02:09:53.460 Google as a weapon for themselves. The real issue is that any, the moment, any politician stands up

02:09:59.640 and says, we need to break up Google. Google presses a button and every default search turns into

02:10:08.020 politician is pedophile.

02:10:09.700 Yeah. Either that or the guy from the CIA comes with a picture of JFK.

02:10:13.980 I'm not, I don't even think I Google, uh, uh, like the stuff we saw from Dr. Robert Epstein.

02:10:18.320 You familiar with his work? Uh, around COVID, right? No, no, no. He's, he's tracking, uh, big tech

02:10:25.100 manipulating elections. Okay. And he said there was, um, so they, they, they find that these big

02:10:31.380 tech companies are actually interfering. Uh, one example was Democrats on Facebook, 100% received

02:10:38.700 a reminder to go vote, but only 69% of Republicans received a reminder to go vote. That's how you rate

02:10:43.960 an election. And it's, it's as simple as, well, it's not my fault. I like, I'm allowed to speak

02:10:49.120 as a corporation. I can tell Democrats to Republicans, not to those kinds of things. When,

02:10:52.980 when applied to 350 million people around the edges will, can change the, the behavior of people

02:11:00.720 and that can change an election. He, he said, he found Trump lose by a legend. 44,000, 44,000 overall.

02:11:06.680 He said he found in, I think it was Georgia that, uh, it was Ted Cruz wrote a letter saying,

02:11:12.100 we see what you're doing. Here's the data instantly in their, in the, in, in their testing metrics,

02:11:18.380 they saw the manipulation machine turn off and instantly the bias went to zero.

02:11:24.000 So the favorability of Democrats gone, these politicians know that it's not even, it's not

02:11:29.940 even about the fear. It's not even the stick. It could be the carrot. You're a politician. You go

02:11:34.200 to Google and say, listen, I'm not going to message you guys. I'm, I will block antitrust. I'm a fan

02:11:39.920 of what Google does. And they're going to go loud and clear. The next thing, you know, the next,

02:11:44.720 next day, Google searches all politician is a hero. Why politician is the best, why politician

02:11:49.900 should be elected. And that's all anyone sees. And it's all the posts they receive. They go on

02:11:54.920 YouTube. What do they see on the front page? Politician is good dude. Yeah. That's why they

02:11:59.360 say it's a Republic. If we can keep it. That's right. That's right. It's a bit fun. Uh, next week,

02:12:04.260 it was funny. There was someone in chat who was like, this is obviously a prerecord because Tim and Phil

02:12:07.900 are wearing the same clothes. First of all, I wear the same thing every day. I have like two

02:12:13.380 outfits. This is a different shirt. It's the same color though. Uh, next week, however,

02:12:18.520 is a prerecord. Uh, we sat down with Jane Cashman and Alex Rosen. Uh, they, they do some crazy work

02:12:25.540 tracking down child abusers. And so we did prerecord this one. That'll be up next Friday

02:12:29.840 because we are off for Christmas. So thank you all so much. Make sure you subscribe to tenant

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02:12:37.700 to shout anything out other than your phone or maybe your phone? Unplugged.com. Great for

02:12:42.400 Christmas. Great. Yeah. I ordered, I ordered a couple pre-order. When do they, when do they

02:12:46.560 ship? Uh, they should be here late February. Right on. By then we'll, by then we'll be in

02:12:51.480 inventory and able to, to quick ship. Sounds good. Thanks for hanging out. Phil, did you want to

02:12:55.880 mention anything before we go? I am, uh, Phil that remains on Twitter. I'm Phil that remains

02:13:00.240 official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. You can follow us on Spotify, Apple

02:13:03.680 Music, Amazon, YouTube, you know, the internet. Oh, I am on Twitter now too. Oh, sick. What

02:13:10.040 is it? Real Eric D Prince. Everybody's putting a real in front of their names now. I had to

02:13:13.900 because there's like eight imposters taking all your, every other aspect of my name. Real

02:13:18.160 E R I K D Prince. I think that's, I think Trump started that though, because for, for that

02:13:23.180 reason, when he, when he goes on Twitter, there's a bunch of fake ones. So he's like, I'm the real

02:13:27.700 one. And now there's so many people who have real, you're the real one, but, uh, right on

02:13:32.100 man. Uh, I appreciate the conversation. Thanks for hanging out for everybody who is, uh, watching.

02:13:37.040 Thank you all so much. We'll be back tonight over at youtube.com slash Tim cast IRL. Thanks

02:13:40.820 for hanging out. We'll see y'all then.

02:13:57.700 Thank you.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - December 22, 2023

The Culture War #43 - Civil War, World War 3, National Security With Erik Prince

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