The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #46 - Exposing The Epstein Files, Elite Traffickers w⧸Mike Cernovich

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00:00:57.060 Several years ago, maybe a decade ago, there were many people online that were trying to warn us

00:01:02.860 that a powerful group of elite individuals were trafficking underage women and engaging in untoward

00:01:09.240 activities. And oh boy, is that putting it lightly, but we'll start off a little family friendly here.

00:01:13.680 It was a conspiracy theory, they said. The media mocked and insulted anybody. And the funny thing

00:01:17.720 about it is, despite the fact that the documents have come out, not all of them, but a handful of the

00:01:21.680 documents pertaining to Jeffrey Epstein, the fact that he was arrested, the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell was

00:01:25.420 arrested, the fact that people in his circle have, let's just say their lives ended in prison,

00:01:32.240 including Epstein himself. Even with all of that, we now know that the trafficking is a fact,

00:01:36.900 not a theory. There are still attempts in the media to insult anyone who is arguing that powerful

00:01:42.800 global elites are engaging in the trafficking of underage women. And worse still, now there are

00:01:48.480 many similar stories, not necessarily the same at a lower level we see with the, with the Southern

00:01:52.720 border. But with all these documents that have started to emerge, there are redacted names,

00:01:59.480 there are old stories resurfacing, and it's causing some confusion. Recently, accusations against Bill

00:02:05.520 Clinton came to light, but in fact, they came to light a while ago. And so many news reports came out

00:02:10.720 and said accusations against Bill Clinton, but oh wait, within a few minutes, many of these journalists

00:02:14.440 said actually this woman had recanted her accusations. So let's talk about who was Epstein,

00:02:20.100 what was he doing, who was in his inner circle. And of course, these documents got released,

00:02:28.420 thanks mostly, I would say mostly to Mike Cernovich, who you filed the Freedom of Information Act. I want

00:02:35.240 to make sure we get it all right, so I'd rather just throw it to you, and we'll talk about how all

00:02:38.360 these documents get released, what do they mean, what's to come. Today on the show, we've got Phil

00:02:42.160 Labonte of All Their Remains. How you doing? Mike Cernovich. I don't know how you would describe

00:02:46.120 yourself. I'm making a movie now, so we'll back to Filmmaker. Filmmaker, and of course, Luke

00:02:51.240 Gretkowski. Yep. Thebestpoliticalshow.com. Let's just jump right in and start from the beginning.

00:02:58.280 When this story breaks that, you know, a lot of people are saying the Epstein client list is coming

00:03:02.700 out. Not true. Court documents related to a defamation lawsuit from, I believe it was Virginia

00:03:08.060 Giuffre against Ghislaine Maxwell, but it included many court documents from the Epstein case and all

00:03:12.460 of these things. Let's just, this story went nuts. I mean, in fact, funny enough, it's one of our

00:03:17.540 biggest TimCast IRL podcasts when we're discussing these documents being released. We'll start from

00:03:22.040 the beginning, and then we'll get into what Epstein was doing, and I'll start by asking you, Mike,

00:03:27.200 how does this begin? Great. Can someone turn the audio down a little bit in the headphones before I go?

00:03:32.620 How far should we go back? Because there's a Bill Barr connection. My headphones are too low. I can't

00:03:39.580 hear myself, so maybe if you can, increase mine a little bit, but I'll let Mike have it here.

00:03:44.460 We'll start with these batch of documents. You filed a freedom, you work with, I believe it was

00:03:49.980 Mark Randazza? Yeah, we did your show. That's what's weird is the documents that were recently released

00:03:55.960 were just more redactions of the documents that should have been unsealed four years ago. I want

00:04:01.540 to say 2019 was when a lot of the stuff started getting unsealed, but the way it came about was

00:04:10.880 that, you know, there are two types of lawsuits, or there's two types of cases, criminal and civil,

00:04:15.340 right? Criminal, Jeffrey Epstein was indicted, charged. He ultimately pled guilty to soliciting

00:04:21.960 a prostitution. That's what they got him on, and there's no way to get those files. You can't,

00:04:28.580 you can't go in and demand to see the criminal file of Jeffrey Epstein. So that was all lost to

00:04:34.520 history. Everybody thought, well, how can we get something? How can we pull on a thread? What can

00:04:41.600 you really do? And then my lawyer, Mark Randazza, emailed me and said, this is weird. And it's part

00:04:47.620 of a bigger trend. The reason it got on his radar is if you sue in court, in public court, everything is

00:04:54.920 supposed to be public, other than social security number, if there's a credit card number, if there's

00:04:59.660 a minor involved, maybe you redact a name, but the allegations, the counter arguments are all supposed

00:05:05.560 to be public. And he just showed me the docket. And when you pull up the files, that was just, I think

00:05:11.580 we did that on your last show, it was just all black. You wouldn't believe unless you saw it. 1.00

00:05:14.980 It's a 50 page motion, black paragraph, black paragraph, black paragraph, blacked out.

00:05:19.300 And we said, okay, well, maybe this is a way to start pulling on the thread by going indirectly

00:05:27.720 via the civil case. So even though the civil case wasn't against Jeffrey Epstein, it wasn't

00:05:31.500 victims of Epstein versus Epstein. It was Virginia Gouffre. I think she's Virginia Roberts now

00:05:38.740 versus Ghislaine Maxwell. Because what had happened was Virginia Roberts had said Ghislaine Maxwell was

00:05:44.560 trafficking women with Epstein. And Ghislaine Maxwell said, she's a liar. The woman said, oh, 0.97

00:05:49.040 okay, I can see you now for defamation because you're calling me a liar, which that in itself

00:05:53.640 is kind of another trend in the law that maybe isn't a great one. Like if somebody calls you a

00:06:00.120 name, you can't clap back or suddenly you're defaming that person. But anyway, that's how they

00:06:07.500 got the case filed. Everything was redacted. And we thought we'll move to intervene. It's called

00:06:11.940 a motion to intervene and unseal because we're not a party. So if you're worried about the technicalities

00:06:17.540 is the parties are the people suing and being sued. We were a third party. I filed it through

00:06:23.440 my media corp, Cerno Media. We're seeking to intervene and unseal. So we're not a party to

00:06:29.960 the lawsuit per se, because we're not trying to get money. We're not trying to maneuver the lawsuit.

00:06:36.140 But we are trying to get the documents. So you file what's called a motion to intervene. Okay,

00:06:39.740 let me put my nose in this. And then a motion to unseal the documents. We filed that. We thought it'd be

00:06:44.940 pretty easy. Honestly, we thought it'd be a pretty easy and I don't want to say cheap,

00:06:51.000 but not expensive. It got really expensive. And we thought it would be, okay, we'll get the documents.

00:06:56.460 It'll cost 10, 20 grand, which, you know, it's a lot of money, but, you know, the media company can

00:07:00.980 absorb it. And it ended up not being easy at all or inexpensive at all. Should we go over the history

00:07:10.580 of Jeffrey Epstein? Because we could get into the kind of weeds of the latest developments. But I

00:07:15.380 think giving a full perspective to everyone here about his start, his rise, all the mystery money

00:07:20.600 that came in from essentially nowhere. Forensic accountants can't account for all the money that

00:07:27.260 was just kind of dropped in his bank account that a lot of banks just disregarded a lot of the rules

00:07:33.740 and regulations for. I think everybody knows Epstein at this point. You know, it's a grand conspiracy

00:07:38.320 theory to argue that powerful global elites were engaged in the trafficking of underage women.

00:07:43.620 But I think it's important to see who gave him his start as well.

00:07:46.720 And so now it's become a fact. But within this fact that he was doing it, there's conspiracy

00:07:51.140 theories about who he was working for, where this money came from, and what was really going on.

00:07:55.080 One of the leading and most prominent theories that he was engaged in a blackmail extortion scheme

00:07:59.000 where he would bring in these guys. They'd think that they were in a safe place with a trusting

00:08:03.360 pedophile they could engage in their disgusting activities with. And then he'd be like, oh, we filmed you, 0.98

00:08:07.260 by the way, and now we own you. The question is, who was he working for? Where's his money coming

00:08:11.360 from? And which one of you here knows?

00:08:13.800 Well, he wore many hats. A lot of people think he was an arms dealer, a financer, a founder of the

00:08:20.260 Clinton Global Initiative.

00:08:21.820 Wait, was he really a founder?

00:08:23.560 This is what Dershowitz actually argued, that he was the founder of the Clinton Global Initiative

00:08:27.920 that did a lot of work in Haiti as one of the Clinton associates was also caught literally

00:08:33.200 and charged for human trafficking inside of Haiti as well. So there's a lot of strange connections

00:08:37.600 like this that we could make here. But when we look at his start, I think it's fair to say that

00:08:41.980 it was Donald Barr who gave Jeffrey Epstein his start at the Dalton School. Yes, Donald Barr. He was

00:08:48.180 the father of Bill Barr. A lot of people claim that these individuals have connections to, of course,

00:08:52.620 intel agencies, as Bill Barr essentially ran the cover-up of the operation for someone that his father

00:08:59.140 gave the start to in this school when everyone was kind of questioning why is Jeffrey Epstein

00:09:04.260 in this highly astute institution of learning when he shouldn't have been there in the very first

00:09:10.820 place. So that's where we first kind of hear of Jeffrey Epstein. And then, of course, he's connected

00:09:14.580 to other individuals like Ghislaine Maxwell that are connected to the Maxwell family. The Maxwell family

00:09:19.220 also is connected to a lot of espionage. Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell's father, was also connected

00:09:26.020 to, of course, allegedly three intel agencies, the Mossad, the KGB, and the U.S. CIA. He was

00:09:34.100 allegedly a triple asset, but predominantly an asset of Mossad and connected to many Israeli prime

00:09:39.500 ministers and Israeli defense ministers as well that also were around Jeffrey Epstein. So there's

00:09:44.120 a lot of individuals here that are intermixed here. There's also, of course, Les Wexner. There's

00:09:49.680 also, of course, Jean-Luc Bernays. And all these individuals played a very significant role here. And all of

00:09:54.780 them are in the kind of world of espionage agents, double agents, and even some cases, triple agents

00:09:59.900 like Robert Maxwell, who also mysteriously met his demise in a boating accident and then was never

00:10:05.740 heard from again. The Maxwell family is absolutely fascinating in the work that they do. Not just

00:10:12.060 Ghislaine, but Ghislaine's sisters as well. How they're connected to, of course, big tech social

00:10:18.000 media, how they're connected to FBI, how they're even connected to human trafficking databases that they

00:10:22.680 helped set up. It's all a huge web here that we could dissect in many different ways. But Mike,

00:10:29.660 I don't know if you looked at any of these specific instances yourself and if you find

00:10:33.900 one more fascinating than the other.

00:10:37.320 The Dalton School, I just, there's a bunch of different narratives, I think, with the Epstein

00:10:43.820 thing where it's easy to get lost in the sauce and then it's easy to, maybe, maybe it's like a choose

00:10:51.760 your own adventure in a way that maybe isn't.

00:10:54.800 Something for everyone.

00:10:55.980 Yeah, because there's multiple stories of Epstein. There's the story of Epstein who was just an

00:11:01.800 effective serial networker who had money. And then this random wife of Bill Ackman, or she's not 1.00

00:11:08.940 random, she's an academic or whatever. But he's having meetings with everyone. So now anybody who's

00:11:14.240 ever had a meeting with him is somehow connected to Jeffrey Epstein. Even though when you look into

00:11:18.260 that thing, he did philanthropy. So then you wonder, the philanthropy, I think, is interesting because

00:11:24.360 you wonder, was that part of the recruiting people for the sex acts? Or was he just an intellectual

00:11:33.420 pervert, right? There was a Reid Hoffman email, too, that, I don't know, it really didn't get that much

00:11:40.320 coverage, actually. I think the Wall Street Journal broke the story that Reid Hoffman was a networking

00:11:45.000 buddy of Jeffrey Epstein. Reid Hoffman, of course, is a big prominent donor, big prominent Democrat donor.

00:11:50.500 I think he's actually backing Nikki Haley now, and for whatever reason, that flew under the radar.

00:11:54.860 So when we're trying to understand someone like him, you can think, well, what part of him was just a networker?

00:12:04.040 Hey, I'm into philanthropy. Because you can be a pervert and have intellectual interests,

00:12:07.580 right? Whenever we talk about figures who have done evil, we act as if, well, if you do evil,

00:12:16.260 then this is what an evil thing looks like, and the evil thing only does evil things.

00:12:20.360 And it's just like, okay, but what are the things about him that may have been sincere or legitimate,

00:12:26.880 and how did that snare people who perhaps didn't really know? Not that I want to defend Steven Pinker

00:12:32.260 or these guys. These guys aren't my friends or whatever. But if you're just trying to be honest

00:12:35.820 and really figure out the situation, you would want to think, well, who's a casualty of it?

00:12:42.880 You know, collateral damage. You'd probably say, well, probably Neil Oxman was, Bill Ackman's wife.

00:12:48.060 Probably Pinker was, even though there's that picture of Pinker with Epstein.

00:12:51.560 So every time Pinker runs his mouth about Trump or everyone else, it's kind of funny,

00:12:55.380 to, it's kind of funny, even though maybe that's playing a little hardball, but they play hardball

00:13:00.940 too. But if, if you're just really trying to understand the truth, right? The truth of the

00:13:04.280 matter, you'll say, well, I don't think Pinker, you know, Pinker was on the island. And so then

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00:14:34.500 on care. Did I mention that we care? What were they doing on the island? And was it barely legal?

00:14:47.860 Was it three-year-olds? Was it 17-year-olds? Was it 21-year-olds? What was it? I do know there were

00:14:55.200 emails where a guy referred to the women he liked as Snow White. So these financiers. Yeah,

00:15:02.240 you can look that one up. Snow White, Jeffrey Epstein. So they had codenames. So there were

00:15:06.080 a lot of guys into a lot of kinky things. And them getting away with it, I think, is my bigger

00:15:12.800 problem in all of this because he was clearly running a brothel, right? Whether it was a blackmail

00:15:19.160 opera, you know, see, what is the known? The known is he was clearly running a brothel of some kind

00:15:24.340 of women, of adult women, because some of the women were adults. A lot of the women who have sued

00:15:29.380 had troubled backgrounds and they were a product of this debased society that we live in. But,

00:15:35.880 you know, there were some of age, there were some just under age, and then there are probably some

00:15:40.480 much younger. There were a lot much younger. I had confirmations with that myself. Sorry,

00:15:44.940 but go ahead. Right. So then you want to kind of like cost segregate things and say, well, which

00:15:50.660 ones deserve the most attention? And all of them obviously do. But the really young ones,

00:15:57.700 you would want to say, well, there was obviously an infrastructure to bring them in. How did they

00:16:01.400 bring them in? And they didn't. So to circle all that back, let's, you know, sorry to everybody

00:16:05.420 listening for that monologue. But the reason that's all relevant is, back to legal perspective,

00:16:13.100 is when Jeffrey Epstein was indicted, immediately first thing I did is I read the indictment. That's

00:16:19.080 what, that's how the difference between like these fake lawyers on Twitter and then people who actually

00:16:22.780 have done real work is the first thing you do is you read the indictment. And I read the indictment

00:16:28.420 and I said, you got to be kidding me. Because the indictment was the most narrow behavior that you

00:16:37.220 could charge Epstein with. So the indictment said, okay, in 2002, 2005, 2009, Jeffrey Epstein was paying

00:16:42.880 these 16 year old girls to give them massages and he asked them to be. And the reason, the reason 0.99

00:16:47.100 for a narrow indictment is, is so that way it doesn't spread to other people, correct?

00:16:51.320 That way. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, so the reason they, they said we have to charge them

00:16:56.940 with something because, because the documents were coming out. So the timeline is, if you look at,

00:17:01.720 if you really want to, you know, hate the government more, the, the, the timeline is this. We sued,

00:17:08.380 I sued to get the documents. We lose. We go up on appeal. The Miami Herald a year or two later joins.

00:17:14.680 They're on appeal. So now we're going to join appeal, right? We're in a case together with the

00:17:17.860 Miami Herald. Who, who, who would have, who would have known? So my lawyer is arguing, Miami Herald

00:17:23.240 lawyers arguing. The second circuit says, well, of course we're going to give the documents like this.

00:17:27.860 Why did this take four years? This is, and which is by the way, the, the law, that's why my lawyer emailed

00:17:32.620 me. We figured it out. It costs 10, 20 grand because this is so, because it's fairly, it's

00:17:36.800 routine. And because it's, it's, it's something that happens fairly regularly. Yeah. And it's so

00:17:40.460 clear. It isn't, it isn't a debate. It's like, if you sped, if you're speeding, you were like,

00:17:44.500 well, you were speeding, you know, well, I shouldn't be pulled over. Well, it doesn't matter. Right.

00:17:49.020 So then the, the second circuit says, well, of course we're going to release these documents.

00:17:53.340 I want to say two days later, I want to say that was a Friday. And then I want to say on Sunday,

00:17:57.300 Epstein was indicted, but someone can check that timeline, but we're talking 42 to 72 hours.

00:18:01.860 Wow. Cause then SDNY, the Southern District of New York, the prosecutors realized, Oh,

00:18:05.920 this stuff is going to be public. This is a problem. We got to do something. Well, what are

00:18:11.300 you going to do? Well, the way anybody who knows the Southern District of New York, the way they

00:18:15.920 operate is they overcharge you. They charge you with everything. Okay. And on this trip, you wrote

00:18:21.960 off a coffee and that really wasn't a business expense because you were with your friend and that

00:18:27.160 wasn't business. And they hit you, they hit you with everything. When you read these indictments,

00:18:30.500 they're lengthy. It's, it's an intense experience, right? So then you read the Epstein thing and it's

00:18:37.540 the exact opposite. So what they could have said, what, cause remember they picked him up on his way

00:18:41.440 back from France. So what they could have said was, okay, we're seizing your jet. We're seizing

00:18:45.780 your Paris property, New Mexico, the Island, your, your West Palm beach place in Europe. And we're going

00:18:51.880 to have raid teams on site because we're charging you with, and because, and they didn't have to name

00:18:57.600 the whole network, you get to charge them as an unindicted co-conspirator. So the way it should

00:19:01.200 have said was United States versus Jeffrey Epstein and co-conspirators one to 100 to be identified at

00:19:07.740 a later date. There could have been RICO charges here very easily with the organized level of-

00:19:11.640 Yeah, RICO's harder, RICO's harder to make, but the section, the Mann Act is the easiest thing in the

00:19:16.220 world. So you can look these up on DOJ website all day. If you, most people don't know this because

00:19:22.560 the age of consent in the U.S. nationwide is 18, but it varies by state. So if you're in a state

00:19:28.080 where it's 16 and it's 18 in another one, and you say, oh, you know, your 17-year-old girlfriend is

00:19:33.880 going to go to where it's legal, well, guess what? You commit a federal crime. This is all easy stuff.

00:19:38.400 This is the lowest hanging fruit in the world, right? The easiest case in the world. So it's called

00:19:42.860 the Mann Act, M-A-N-N-A Act. So what you would have done if you actually wanted to, to end this stuff 0.87

00:19:50.560 is you'd have indicted him and his co-conspirators to be identified at a later time. So they're

00:19:55.440 called unindicted co-conspirators. You'd have raided every property and it would have been a

00:20:00.640 whole production. You'd have a perp walk with Epstein. There'd be units at every prop. No,

00:20:07.380 no, no. They could have gone after his documents, his files, his assets without him knowing they were

00:20:13.260 about to do it. But my understanding is the way they went about it basically gave him a massive

00:20:17.760 advance warning to cover things up. And they didn't even search his properties. They only

00:20:21.420 searched them after he allegedly passed away. And then they went on the island and then they

00:20:26.580 were allegedly collecting the documents there. Now we're getting somewhere. Allegedly passed away.

00:20:31.020 Well, again, I have my own kind of speculations. I think he's dead personally, but I personally think

00:20:38.260 he's dead. I think this story is so wild. Every step of the way, there's so many anomalies here that

00:20:43.580 don't add up and don't make sense. I don't want to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I want to

00:20:47.560 hear from everyone directly. I don't care if it's the Weinsteins. I don't care if it's Louis Black. 0.90

00:20:52.300 I don't care if it's Kevin Spacey or Chris Tucker. I want to know from every last one of them. I'm not

00:20:57.760 going to say, oh, they were just hanging out or having a meeting here. We know so little. We know

00:21:01.620 so little about this that I think, and I would kind of disagree with you here, Mike, just a little

00:21:07.720 bit. I would say, no, we got to call all of these people out because then they could come forward

00:21:12.160 and explain themselves because otherwise we're not going to get any other kind of larger public

00:21:15.880 disclosures unless there's something else happening behind the scenes, which a lot of people speculate

00:21:19.820 is happening now.

00:21:20.520 That does the opposite, though, because when there's so much collateral damage, you disincentivize

00:21:26.620 people to want to come forward because they're like, oh, God. So imagine you're, I think,

00:21:33.100 what is her name? Nellie Oxman or whatever. Imagine you're Bill Ackman's wife. I'm not simping

00:21:36.560 for Bill Ackman because, you know, whatever. It's nice to see him writing his long articles,

00:21:41.060 and I like them. But imagine you're a woman, you're a designer, you're a PhD, and a donor 0.75

00:21:47.040 says, hey, we're having a dinner. This guy wants to fund your lab. You're going to go

00:21:51.800 to the dinner. You don't have a whole team, dude. You know, like I quit taking selfies

00:21:55.420 with people because a couple, you know, bad actors would take them with me. And then it's

00:22:00.680 like, oh, great. Now for the rest of my life, I have a picture with this person. You know,

00:22:05.320 so whenever I see people in my life, I'm like, ah, man, you know, okay, I will.

00:22:09.240 But you just, you can't do anything. And it's a vibe check, too, because if the

00:22:13.060 vibe's off, I'm not taking it. So just how I live my life. But these people don't

00:22:17.740 know to do that. Hey, you can't just go to dinner with anybody who invites you to

00:22:21.060 dinner. Why not? Well, because the person might be, you know, some kind of front man

00:22:25.260 for something.

00:22:26.000 I mean, there's certain levels here. I mean, there's Bill Gates that actively engaged

00:22:30.020 and participated and went to all the meetings, even when his wife told him

00:22:33.960 specifically she wants him to stop hanging out with him, and he wouldn't do that

00:22:37.500 for her. And then there's, you know, other levels where, you know, we don't

00:22:42.760 have to just trial everyone before and find guilty before the trial. But I think

00:22:48.740 this larger notion of, hey, we don't know what's really going on here. We have to

00:22:52.560 make this a bigger issue. We have to ask the questions here. What really happened

00:22:55.500 here in a pointed way is something that I think needs to be done.

00:22:58.560 But to Mike's point, like, Trump just ran into this when he went to dinner with Milo

00:23:03.320 and with Fuentes, and Ye was there. He went there because Ye was there, and then Fuentes

00:23:09.580 ends up being there. And then the media makes a massive story about it. But I mean, I think

00:23:13.940 it's pretty obvious. Most people would say that, you know, Trump doesn't know who Fuentes

00:23:17.520 is. But so I understand his point there. You know, it's like, you end up at a place, and

00:23:22.600 you, if you don't know who's there.

00:23:24.360 Well, they did it to Elon and Trump, right? There's a picture with Ghislaine Maxwell and

00:23:27.760 Elon Musk. And he said, someone said, take a picture. And she's standing there, walks

00:23:31.380 up, and I don't know.

00:23:32.600 Well, that's why I did that whole long ass spiel about them as the philanthropist, them

00:23:38.160 as the socialite. Yeah, because they go, here's Ghislaine Maxwell. That's, you know, she 1.00

00:23:41.680 photobombed you, dude. Like, that's why, like, I don't go to public events. Because I know

00:23:46.200 that the FBI will send some MKUltra person that's then, dude, this happened. There

00:23:52.460 was a mass shooter. And, you know, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. There was

00:23:56.800 a mass shooter. And then the media started saying, oh, he was affiliated with you. And

00:24:00.800 I said, wait, who? And I looked it up. And I go, no, as a matter of fact, it wasn't. I

00:24:07.500 got a bad vibe from the guy. So I told him, you're a stalker, leave me alone. And then 0.89

00:24:10.900 I found out the FBI had visited him before, and he went on a mass shooting. I can tell you

00:24:13.820 guys this on a different stream. So I know for a fact that they send people, their little

00:24:18.180 MKUltra subjects, to me, to attach to me, to then use that as a, because I don't, I'm

00:24:23.780 so boring now. I barely, you know, like, coming out here, you guys have been asking me to do

00:24:27.320 stuff. I'm like, man, I don't go anywhere. You know?

00:24:29.740 Came, flew into a blizzard.

00:24:31.020 Yeah.

00:24:31.580 Talking about Epstein.

00:24:32.480 Well, because I'm in a blizzard, there's nothing that I can get framed with, you know?

00:24:35.420 It's like, there's no storm I'm accounted for. And so if you cast the net too wide, then

00:24:42.340 if you're Eric Weinstein or wherever, you're like, what the fuck? Like, I met the guy, and I 0.98

00:24:46.380 say I met him, and now I have to, like, be deposed over this one. What we do know for

00:24:50.380 a fact, so what we do know for a fact, and what we know is bad enough that, again, I don't

00:24:57.100 like Reid Hoffman. People should look into Reid Hoffman and Bill Gates. There are people

00:25:01.120 like that to look into, but what we know for a fact is the Southern District of New York

00:25:06.800 doesn't undercharge cases. They don't do that. They're the ones who went after Bannon for

00:25:11.520 We Build the Wall, a charity fraud that nobody thought they were victims of fraud, right,

00:25:17.200 in Texas. So you're like, well, why is New York going after them in Texas? Well, because

00:25:21.900 a bank account was used in New York, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:25:24.520 Is that the same district that's going after Trump now?

00:25:26.200 Oh, yeah.

00:25:26.580 Yeah, okay. So, I mean, clearly, obviously.

00:25:28.920 Well, SDNY, they don't have the Trump cases right now, but they have the We Build the Wall

00:25:36.500 ones, and then Trump pardon Bannon. They're very aggressive.

00:25:38.860 Is it the fraud case is SDNY? That's the T-shirt James at State Court, State Attorney General.

00:25:44.860 Oh, okay. You're right, right, right. Yeah, not bad.

00:25:46.280 Yeah, that's why it's hard to keep track of all this stuff unless you're—

00:25:49.560 SDNY, but did they go after James O'Keefe, too?

00:25:53.720 They—I believe the FBI were the—I believe it was either they or the Florida ones who went

00:25:59.800 after Ashley Biden. Not her, but the diary, they—I mean—

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00:27:33.140 Again, illustrating the point, the people who found Ashley Biden's diary got prosecuted for theft.

00:27:39.680 Yeah.

00:27:40.020 Unreal.

00:27:40.280 Right, right.

00:27:40.940 Unreal.

00:27:41.660 Yeah.

00:27:42.280 Journalists.

00:27:42.860 James O'Keefe got raided for a diary that we now know is real.

00:27:46.520 Because I remember when people were talking about the diary, I thought it was fake.

00:27:49.380 I said, oh, this is another trap.

00:27:51.620 They're trying to trap us so that they can sue us.

00:27:53.360 And I was like, oh, wait, that thing was actually real.

00:27:56.680 That should be a bigger story.

00:27:58.340 So that's the real world.

00:28:00.920 That's the big boy criminal justice world.

00:28:03.000 Jeffrey Epstein did not get the big boy criminal justice treatment.

00:28:06.600 He got, we got to do something.

00:28:08.720 Okay, we're going to get him for Masai.

00:28:10.120 Which, again, get him for that.

00:28:12.220 Right?

00:28:12.820 I don't want somebody to be like, oh, Sernovich is downplaying. 1.00

00:28:15.100 Shut up. 1.00

00:28:15.440 But, you know, some idiot watching, right, I'll say something like that. 1.00

00:28:18.600 But, no, get him for that, obviously. 1.00

00:28:21.260 But you get him for conspiracy.

00:28:23.000 You raid all the properties.

00:28:24.600 You have your press conference.

00:28:25.900 We've taken down an international. 1.00

00:28:27.600 Yeah.

00:28:28.200 What prosecutor, what federal prosecutor doesn't want that headline?

00:28:32.900 What doesn't want that press conference? 0.56

00:28:34.640 We just took down an international sex trafficking ring.

00:28:37.760 And we're putting the, they don't, dude.

00:28:40.460 So all these rabbit holes that are interesting and stuff.

00:28:43.020 And I've gone down to myself, like, well, who is this market maker?

00:28:47.000 Who is this prime broker?

00:28:48.500 You can't, it's not like you're not using an E-Trade or whatever.

00:28:51.820 You're not using Charles Schwab for the kind of trades that Epstein was allegedly doing.

00:28:55.200 Was even making them, right?

00:28:57.200 So there's, there's so much there that we do know.

00:29:00.680 So we know for a fact that the way a case would have been charged if they wanted Epstein for real

00:29:07.060 is they would have charged him under the Mann Act and similar statutes.

00:29:11.060 They would have gone after him aggressively and they didn't.

00:29:14.640 And that tells you that whatever happened was at the government level or at the level above government.

00:29:19.680 And I mean, that, the, this isn't anything that's new.

00:29:22.920 Obviously everyone, as soon as, as, as Epstein was arrested, people were like, well, this seems odd.

00:29:29.460 And, and even if they didn't articulate the, the circumstances the way you did, everyone kind of knew that like the government really likes to overcharge people.

00:29:38.400 The government likes to have a lot of options.

00:29:40.060 And that's really what it boils down to.

00:29:41.720 The, the feds or, or the prosecutor, they want to have as many options.

00:29:45.300 They want to put as much pressure on you.

00:29:47.020 So that way you'll give up people that you were, that possibly were committing crimes with you or whatever.

00:29:50.880 And when you see that that wasn't the case with Epstein, it was, you know, most people were like, oh, this is obvious, which is why the meme of Epstein didn't kill himself came out, you know, and I mean, there's a lot there too.

00:30:02.220 Yeah.

00:30:02.600 Yeah.

00:30:02.740 The guards are sleeping.

00:30:03.720 The camera's turned off.

00:30:05.020 Absolutely.

00:30:05.700 Which, cellmate, which as a lawyer, I mean, so here, here's the wild thing about the, like my legal background is every, like everything happening to J6 people is actually normal. 1.00

00:30:18.200 If you're charged with crimes, it's not normal to charge protesters, but no, like this is our, actually the way the system works.

00:30:24.920 It's terrible.

00:30:25.900 Ask any lawyer if they want to be in the criminal system, dude, like, first of all, you don't need, I've never sued anybody because you don't even want to be in the civil litigation system, right?

00:30:33.680 You don't, you don't even want to be in a lawsuit at all.

00:30:35.440 This Epstein thing, what, you know, cause it, things can spiral out of control.

00:30:39.440 Just that, that's why people, that's why people so frequently or big companies so frequently will settle just because it's a headache and a hassle to deal with.

00:30:46.160 So the, the guards, it actually, the guards being asleep in a prison is to me the least surprising thing about this.

00:30:55.000 Like, well, yeah, I mean, of course they are because if you were a guard in a ward, what would you be doing?

00:30:59.040 You'd be on your phone and you'd be reading magazines or, hey, hey, fall, you know, I'm going to sleep.

00:31:03.200 You know, you take a nap, I'm going to take a nap.

00:31:04.660 But although I, I don't know that that's necessarily what happened here, but in, in, um, in normal circumstances, cameras, yeah, the camera's not working.

00:31:16.120 The place was a dump though.

00:31:17.720 But hold on.

00:31:18.960 Before that you had his, he was, he was in a cell with a cellmate and he's like brutally beaten and strangled.

00:31:25.680 But this was, this wasn't the only suicide attempt.

00:31:28.540 There was multiple suicide attempts, not just that, but there was another incident where, uh, according to some of the witnesses, he was beat up, but they claimed it was a suicide attempt.

00:31:36.260 So they put him in the suicide ward with one of the most violent prisoners there, an ex-police officer who murdered a whole bunch of people.

00:31:43.560 Um, he also recently kind of passed away from, from COVID.

00:31:48.100 Uh, so, so his stories aren't really, uh, shared as well.

00:31:51.180 So when, when we look at that particular incident, specifically in the jail cell, um, we had Epstein's brother come out on Tucker Carlson and detailed the long number of anomalies that happened specifically when it came to the reporting, the handling of this alleged life taking and how all of it tapped down,

00:32:11.800 especially from the medical examiner, especially when it came even to the medical reports and the documentation of how everything was handled, everything was done wrong.

00:32:19.080 They weren't supposed to move the body.

00:32:20.340 They weren't supposed to change the clothing that Epstein was wearing.

00:32:23.800 They were supposed to document everything that happened.

00:32:25.760 They never did any of that and failed every single step of the way to the point where they were like, oh, there's no surveillance cameras.

00:32:33.580 Bill Barr came out saying, yes, there are surveillance cameras.

00:32:35.900 I saw them.

00:32:36.380 He definitely did take his own life.

00:32:37.720 In a place where they have total control, not like this happened out on the street where you had to worry about people walking by and the crime, you have to have people make, make sure that no one touches the crime scene.

00:32:46.960 They had video of Jussie Smollett.

00:32:48.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:49.940 It happens in the building where they can just lock it down and they can't even follow standard procedure.

00:32:55.240 Yeah.

00:32:55.440 One camera fails.

00:32:56.340 There's a second camera.

00:32:57.260 There's a third camera.

00:32:58.200 There's a fourth camera.

00:32:59.300 Let's find out who came in and out of that building.

00:33:01.800 Let's get everything out there.

00:33:03.260 Let's get all the public disclosures because we need to have it and we don't have any of it.

00:33:07.980 Or do you think Epstein's still alive?

00:33:09.640 I think there is a lot of circumstantial evidence.

00:33:13.920 There's nothing bulletproof.

00:33:14.940 There's nothing really solid.

00:33:16.380 But when you look at the circumstantial evidence, you do look at the photos.

00:33:19.860 I think there's a probability that there is a chance that he is alive.

00:33:23.920 There's also drone footage that was flown over Epstein Island after his alleged death showing a man that looks almost identical to him.

00:33:32.960 And that's when I decided to personally go to the island myself in order to investigate if he was still alive, if he was still on the island.

00:33:39.920 Yeah.

00:33:40.100 No, absolutely.

00:33:40.920 No, you could look up the drone footage.

00:33:42.880 He wouldn't be packing.

00:33:44.100 I mean, to me, you got to look at like, you know, it's like when you when you read the MKUltra stuff, anything is possible.

00:33:51.880 But then so you got to tell me you can't explain their behavior with logic.

00:33:56.340 They're not logical.

00:33:57.120 Oh, I mean, he's an asset.

00:33:59.420 Yeah, it's easy to explain logically.

00:34:02.120 The behavior is totally if you ever have a loved one who's been in the institutions, there's no like book that people like Epstein's brother.

00:34:11.060 I don't think Epstein killed himself.

00:34:13.220 So, first of all, I don't think he killed himself.

00:34:14.620 Obviously, wouldn't have because he had cards to play and everything about his life is.

00:34:18.020 If there's one thing about Jeffrey Epstein and anything you know about the world and humans, this person is not the person who kills himself.

00:34:26.900 No.

00:34:27.220 Right.

00:34:27.600 So, one, he didn't kill himself.

00:34:28.840 Clearly, I base that on what?

00:34:30.380 Just extensive dealings with human beings and the character arc of a person.

00:34:34.860 He has too many resources to kill himself.

00:34:36.460 I'm not going to give him too much of the benefit of the doubt.

00:34:38.760 He had cards to play.

00:34:39.740 Yeah.

00:34:39.920 He had options.

00:34:40.820 He had people to sell to save himself.

00:34:43.580 Yeah.

00:34:43.900 Good reason why.

00:34:44.680 He had money.

00:34:45.420 He had good lawyers.

00:34:46.300 Maybe he – if you're Epstein, here's what you're thinking.

00:34:48.660 I know exactly what you're thinking if you're Epstein.

00:34:50.600 You're thinking, okay, I got the money to fight it.

00:34:53.600 I got dirt on other people.

00:34:55.460 I'm going to have good lawyers.

00:34:56.880 I'm going to have people doing things for him behind the scenes.

00:34:59.480 I'll probably do five, ten years.

00:35:00.700 Not just that, but you have a dead man switch.

00:35:02.620 You saw what happened to Robert Maxwell.

00:35:04.320 You see what happens in the intel agencies.

00:35:06.220 You see what happens to agents and double agents all the time.

00:35:08.660 Robert Maxwell, the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, who was also an intel asset who also died

00:35:13.080 mysteriously and his body was never found after a boating accident.

00:35:19.840 So when it comes to this kind of larger actions that were being committed here, I'm not giving

00:35:26.080 any benefit of the doubt.

00:35:27.280 I'm not going to try to explain it unless there's an overwhelming amount of evidence

00:35:33.760 showing me like, yes, this actually did happen.

00:35:37.020 You still have to have a mental model, though, right?

00:35:39.880 That's where, not you, Luke, specifically, but that's where the internet people kind of

00:35:43.980 drive me nuts.

00:35:45.920 You've lived.

00:35:47.060 You've experienced reality.

00:35:48.500 You've met people.

00:35:49.820 You've seen people.

00:35:51.820 And in no world does Epstein kill himself.

00:35:56.420 In no world.

00:35:58.120 There's no world where somebody who has cards to play, who has resources to fight, who's

00:36:01.380 been a player his whole life, who has all these connections.

00:36:03.580 There's just no world where that person says, you know what I'm going to do? 0.84

00:36:06.920 I'm going to kill myself.

00:36:08.080 If I actually saw a real Jeffrey Epstein suicide video and that really happened, that would 0.97

00:36:13.940 upend my understanding of reality more than when Trump won.

00:36:16.920 Unless it was CGI.

00:36:17.580 Yeah, that's what I mean.

00:36:18.720 By now, it could be a deep fake.

00:36:20.100 So you're not giving the benefit of the doubt to people, necessarily.

00:36:24.380 You're making assumptions.

00:36:25.180 You're saying, you know, you have an operating model of the world.

00:36:27.780 And then you have the knowns and the unknowns.

00:36:30.640 And then you have the areas that are worthy of interrogating and which ones aren't.

00:36:35.920 And the areas that are worthy of interrogating and aren't being interrogated, and I don't

00:36:41.500 think ever will, is why was he charged on the Mann Act?

00:36:45.300 Why wasn't there simultaneous raise on the properties?

00:36:47.880 Well, there is a logical explanation for that.

00:36:49.500 The logical and really only explanation for that is this was operating at the government

00:36:55.840 level.

00:36:56.420 Epstein was clearly at the government level or a level that exists above the government

00:37:01.360 that whatever that is, you get in the realm of the weird stuff, which I'm okay with, but

00:37:05.880 then it gets a little bit too weird.

00:37:07.960 So everything that happened is pretty logical.

00:37:12.180 You say, you do the world that you can control and you can't control.

00:37:16.340 So nobody saw that Mike Cernovich was going to file a motion to intervene in unsealed

00:37:21.040 Epstein, right?

00:37:22.100 And they denied my motion.

00:37:23.100 They just kind of buried it.

00:37:24.120 The media buried it.

00:37:25.500 Nobody cared. 0.98

00:37:26.260 Oh, he's that crazy guy, right? 0.99

00:37:27.780 Oh, isn't that crazy guy? 0.99

00:37:29.060 All right. 1.00

00:37:29.460 Who gives a shit? 1.00

00:37:30.260 Can't be real. 1.00

00:37:31.520 Then nobody saw the Miami Herald was going to join in.

00:37:34.340 So you always have these X factors that upend your perfect little precious plan or the

00:37:40.340 regime's plan.

00:37:41.320 So now they're like, oh God, we got the Miami Herald in.

00:37:43.680 Because I was told personally that I was going to be killed over the Epstein thing if I didn't

00:37:46.560 quit talking about it.

00:37:47.700 So if you look at my timeline, you can see that I filed the suit, I mentioned a couple

00:37:51.340 of times, and I didn't mention it until Miami Herald did.

00:37:53.280 Can you tell us who did this?

00:37:54.860 Who warned you?

00:37:55.600 Or you don't have to get into it if you can't.

00:37:57.180 A person in the intelligence community, because remember, a lot of this was happening in the

00:38:02.400 Trump era, and they said, we've overheard chatter and you need to just back away from this

00:38:06.300 and stay away from this.

00:38:07.320 And at the time, Epstein's alive.

00:38:09.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:38:09.500 This is before the record was unsealed and everything.

00:38:11.320 Right.

00:38:11.420 He's not even arrested.

00:38:13.000 That's why people go, why'd you quit talking about the Epstein thing?

00:38:15.560 Oh, are you controlled oppo?

00:38:16.620 It's like, oh, no, because once the Miami Herald came in, then it's like, well, what are they

00:38:20.960 going to do? 0.98

00:38:21.440 They're going to kill them. 1.00

00:38:22.280 They're going to kill me. 1.00

00:38:22.740 They're just going to have to kill everybody. 1.00

00:38:24.420 Right. 1.00

00:38:24.820 Yeah.

00:38:24.940 Like, okay.

00:38:26.180 A little bit too difficult.

00:38:27.480 So the logical explanation is he was operating at the government level most assuredly.

00:38:33.320 There's no question about that.

00:38:35.180 The only question is, was it the sovereign level?

00:38:37.700 Because people forget, you know, we always talk about billionaires.

00:38:41.760 There are trillionaires.

00:38:43.100 You know, we forget about that.

00:38:44.660 What was it?

00:38:45.220 There are trillionaires in this world.

00:38:46.920 So there's a level, like if you watch Game of Thrones or whatever, the Iron Bank, there

00:38:51.560 is some kind of Iron Bank weird thing that's shaping affairs that we don't really know about.

00:38:57.560 And so was Epstein at that level?

00:39:01.520 Was he just a garden variety, CIA Mossad asset?

00:39:04.900 You know, then you get into speculation.

00:39:06.340 Have you seen this story about the, was it a Chinese honeypot? 0.55

00:39:08.940 Yeah.

00:39:09.420 Oh, yeah.

00:39:09.640 What was this like?

00:39:10.340 It was a massage parlor in Boston and many other prominent cities all throughout the United

00:39:14.960 States that had secret surveillance cameras and was going to prominent individuals and

00:39:19.700 then giving them a happy time and then filming it and then using it for blackmail and extortion

00:39:24.940 purposes.

00:39:25.200 What you're going to say, though, is I think is if you watch the press conference, all the

00:39:30.340 prosecutor says is, we know all of you went there, right?

00:39:34.620 Yeah.

00:39:35.100 So it's the most ominous press conference you can imagine where they're like, oh, yes, we

00:39:39.860 do know individuals in medicine and in defense and in finance.

00:39:44.220 Wink, wink, nod, nod.

00:39:45.960 Get on board.

00:39:47.480 Yep.

00:39:47.840 Get on board or else we'll go through this.

00:39:50.440 Sometimes, you know, looking at the state of politics today, you wonder why it is that someone

00:39:53.720 would say something so obviously wrong and lie.

00:39:56.560 You see, these journalists, they put out a story that is just so.

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00:41:27.420 Oh, the inverse of reality to an obvious degree.

00:41:32.160 Now, I think for a lot of these people, I would refer to them as just the banality of evil.

00:41:35.400 They march along and march in lockstep with whatever the machine tells them to do.

00:41:38.340 But I think a lot of these higher profile individuals who are on the authoritarian and what I would

00:41:43.260 describe as the more evil side of things likely have a scenario where a prosecutor says, just

00:41:49.800 looks into a crowd and says, I know what you did. 0.98

00:41:51.600 And that person's like, oh, crap. 0.99

00:41:52.880 And then the word gets out. 0.97

00:41:55.220 Here's what you're supposed to be saying.

00:41:56.560 And they decide, I'll just play ball.

00:41:58.060 Yeah.

00:41:58.260 And I guarantee it's extremely effective for a lot of people, too, because the number of people that are dabbling in these types of indiscriminate behaviors, it's not just a few.

00:42:12.660 It's it's probably the majority of it's everywhere and they get off of it.

00:42:17.620 This is why they do what they do at the Bohemian Grove.

00:42:19.440 This is why there's male porn stars being shipped into George W. Bush White House, even in the in the 2000s. 0.98

00:42:25.800 And we could keep going on and on the Franklin cover up.

00:42:28.540 There's a lot of of incidences.

00:42:30.680 There's, of course, Jimmy Seville.

00:42:33.000 There's a lot.

00:42:34.180 There's the prime minister of the U.K. that was caught in a literal case of again, we're on YouTube here, hurting small children.

00:42:42.600 So Prince Andrew, of course, implicated here as well.

00:42:45.420 The prime minister of Israel, presidents.

00:42:47.400 I mean, holy cow, Andrew.

00:42:48.720 But I'll give you guys a more I suppose it's all recent context.

00:42:53.120 But you don't even need a phone call from an intel off intelligence agent or officer or a politician or some mafioso guy because people know how to behave.

00:43:05.220 And I'll give you an example.

00:43:06.500 Before January 6th, there were high profile commentators who are going on social media and cheering for things like kicking the door in, storming the castle, storming the building, shutting it down.

00:43:17.980 They are on video just going like, yeah, we're going to do this.

00:43:20.920 This is what we're going to do.

00:43:21.720 And then January 6th happens.

00:43:23.420 Yeah.

00:43:23.760 Then a few days later, they're like, I support Ron DeSantis.

00:43:27.040 Look at Joe Walsh.

00:43:27.940 They immediately just fall in.

00:43:29.600 Was he cheering for J6?

00:43:30.500 If you look at his Twitter account, not he wasn't cheering for J6, but on Joe Walsh's Twitter account, he was all in for Trump.

00:43:36.720 And like he's like on he's like, if Trump wins on the 6th, then things are fine.

00:43:41.960 But if not, then I'm grabbing my musket.

00:43:43.820 Are you with me?

00:43:44.340 And he tweeted that out.

00:43:45.280 He was supporting Trump.

00:43:45.980 And now he's the most anti-Trump guy.

00:43:47.600 You know it's because he was talking, he was saying things that were slightly inflammatory.

00:43:53.820 And so now he's paying penance to the establishment saying, my bad, and I'm a good, I'm going to keep my mouth shut.

00:43:59.740 You see how they lie about many of these people who were convicted on January 6th?

00:44:03.320 Yeah.

00:44:03.460 Like if you're violent and you're rioting, by all means, you get criminally charged for that.

00:44:07.060 That's normal.

00:44:07.740 But there are a lot of people who showed up after the fact, were walking around, were let in by police.

00:44:12.520 They're lied about, thrown in solitary confinement.

00:44:14.920 20 years for Enrique Tarrio, not even present in January 6th.

00:44:18.000 It was not even in D.C.

00:44:18.980 But now there are these high-profile commentators.

00:44:21.040 And, you know, I'm not familiar with the example you've given of Joe Walsh, but there are many other people who, within the months, after all these raids start happening and the feds are locking people up and they can see the torture that's going on, they all of a sudden are just like, I think Donald Trump is bad and will just say whatever they want me to say.

00:44:37.820 Now, think about with Epstein, or think about these honeypots and these brothels. 1.00

00:44:41.900 Because the moment, like you mentioned, Mike, that prosecutor comes out and says, we know who you are, these people immediately are like, Hillary Clinton is the greatest politician in American history.

00:44:49.740 All they have to do is, like, literally, if you're in a position where they have information on you, you know.

00:44:56.460 All they have to do is say something that you'll pick up in a tweet.

00:44:59.820 They can put it in a press release, an official press release, something in there that you're familiar with, and they're just like, oh, no, this is them speaking at me.

00:45:08.720 Or even if you didn't do anything, there's, like, a trick.

00:45:12.500 I don't want people, you know, maybe I'll regret saying this, but something, like, lawyers would learn or police would know is, if you go up to somebody and say, you know, we actually know what you did.

00:45:21.860 Yeah.

00:45:22.280 Most people are like, oh, what?

00:45:23.980 Even if you didn't do anything, because it's like that, what is the book, Crime and Punishment, where it's your conscience is always carrying things and paranoia.

00:45:33.780 I'll give everybody some advice.

00:45:35.060 If anyone ever comes up to you, anyone ever comes up to me and wearing a suit and says, we know what you did, Mr. Poole, I'd be like, I swear that peanut butter wasn't mine.

00:45:43.180 I just, I'll throw something nonsensical.

00:45:45.020 Let's put the pieces together here, because let's just say you're the president of the United States.

00:45:50.160 Let's just say you were hanging out with Mr. Epstein, and there could be different scenarios and different situations where it doesn't have to be children as young as nine.

00:45:59.800 And you can't just be a total evil demon, as there are actual reports and witnesses talking about specifically young children that were brought on that island.

00:46:08.240 But let's just say someone's, you know, 17 or 16, but they look like they're a lot older.

00:46:12.840 So if you're a politician, you're hanging out, you're having a good time, and then Epstein says, yeah, yeah, you know, feel free to come to my mansion in New York City.

00:46:20.460 That's wired with all these surveillance cameras in a secret surveillance room, documenting everything in every little small corner with cameras even in the bathroom.

00:46:28.400 If you're a politician and you partake with someone who you think is of legal age, there's video footage, you're the president of the United States now, you're the prime minister, you're a prince, you're, you know, whoever you are.

00:46:41.260 They just come to you and say, hey, here's a video tip you want to show you.

00:46:44.040 This girl was actually 17 years old or 16 years old.

00:46:46.500 You violated the age of consent.

00:46:47.880 You could go to jail.

00:46:48.480 But more importantly, look at all the sick and disgusting stuff that you were doing that now the whole world will find out about.

00:46:55.040 So will you be supporting Israel?

00:46:56.920 Will you be bombing Syria? 0.78

00:46:58.760 Will you be implementing, you know, a vaccination rollout program?

00:47:03.000 And what is that president going to do here?

00:47:05.700 Well, my favorite version of this is more so, you know, president candidate, he's running.

00:47:11.500 He's like, we're going to bring our troops back.

00:47:13.140 We're going to end these wars.

00:47:14.220 And everyone's clapping and cheering.

00:47:15.620 Then he gets inaugurated.

00:47:16.860 He swears in the Bible. 0.92

00:47:17.760 He walks in, sits down in the Oval Office, and he's like, it's time to get to work.

00:47:20.980 A man in a suit with sunglasses sits down and says, Mr. President, I'd like to show you some important documents.

00:47:25.320 And he pulls out a picture of JFK and slides it across the table and says, we'll be giving you instructions shortly.

00:47:30.260 Or the Zapruder film or another angle of the JFK killing.

00:47:33.760 Bill Hicks made a very—

00:47:34.900 There's a picture of JFK.

00:47:35.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:35.980 They get it.

00:47:37.180 Or just another angle of what happened to him from the CIA officials that were taking the film.

00:47:41.100 Like a video of a CIA guy being like, thumbs up.

00:47:43.900 Yeah, we did it.

00:47:44.740 We better do what we say.

00:47:45.980 When Jesse Mature became governor of Minnesota, he actually—the CIA met with him.

00:47:50.840 And it was less nefarious than that because, you know, Jesse, I don't think, really wasn't going to play ball.

00:47:55.740 But he goes, oh, yeah, no, they come in and, like, we don't really know who you are and everything else.

00:48:00.960 So, you know, we know that happens for sure.

00:48:03.000 However, the—the—I feel—so with the blackmail, I guess I'm conflicted because I feel like most people don't need to be blackmailed, first of all.

00:48:13.360 Blackmail is, like, do you need to tell Bill Gates you need to vaccinate people?

00:48:18.240 I don't really think so, right?

00:48:19.480 Those people are going to play baller.

00:48:21.080 Even in the media, you know, you worked in the media.

00:48:22.560 I've known most of the people you worked with for—you know, a lot of them are editing, getting your—so you can have a name on Wikipedia.

00:48:30.440 A lot of them were taking $25, $50 and would write an article about you.

00:48:34.400 That way there was a citation, some Wikipedia factory.

00:48:38.000 These are not—these are not people that even need blackmail.

00:48:40.580 I'll tell you—I'll give you the real scenario that intelligence agents engage in for manipulation of the press.

00:48:46.380 And it's not what most people would assume.

00:48:48.220 People often believe that journalists are bribed.

00:48:50.860 Intelligence guy says, here's money, be evil.

00:48:52.980 I'm going to tell you how it happens.

00:48:53.940 There is a 23-year-old journalism school—J school graduate, let's say 24, gets a job and is getting paid $40,000 a year in New York City.

00:49:06.240 An intelligence official or agent or person will contact them and say, hey, do you want inside information on what's going on right now?

00:49:14.380 We'd like you to write about it.

00:49:15.580 And they go, whoa, I now have a source.

00:49:17.820 This 20-something-year-old goes to their boss and says, I have a source in the CIA.

00:49:21.380 And they go, really? That's right. And the FBI.

00:49:23.820 And they can confirm these things.

00:49:25.800 The next thing you know, this individual writes, Donald Trump is secretly working for Russia.

00:49:28.980 Intelligence agents sources have said X, Y, and Z, A, B, and C.

00:49:31.820 It's all fake.

00:49:33.080 They didn't have to pay this person.

00:49:34.400 They just said, think about what's going to happen when you get the scoop.

00:49:37.320 These individuals end up getting lucrative contracts because these news outlets are like, who do I hire?

00:49:43.460 Honest journalist with 50,000 followers.

00:49:46.040 You get some stories sometimes.

00:49:47.100 This person who's got a Rolodex of CIA officials and they're going to write whatever the CIA says.

00:49:52.540 And we can't get sued if we report salacious BS.

00:49:55.320 All you have to do is look at MSNBC from like – well, look at MSNBC because the MSNBC is where like the people from the Council on Foreign Relations go.

00:50:08.060 The MSNBC – you know, Mika Brzezinski's father was involved with the Carter administration.

00:50:14.060 MSNBC is where all the CIA operatives go. 0.97

00:50:18.120 It's where all the ex-FBI people go.

00:50:19.920 There's not any light between, you know, a significant number of the media and the intelligence operation.

00:50:27.300 So it's not that – the access is really what they're after more so than the money because the point of money is power, right?

00:50:34.200 It's to be able to do things.

00:50:35.320 And the access to politicians or people that make decisions, that's a perfect thing to replace money.

00:50:43.760 It's just the access to power.

00:50:44.960 There's many ways to skin a cat.

00:50:46.600 And we could explain it on a small level with an activist journalist who's just going to do what you want them to do.

00:50:52.180 And you hire that person.

00:50:53.480 You could talk about gaslighting.

00:50:54.720 You could talk about manipulation.

00:50:55.640 But there's different layers to this because there's a lot of resistance.

00:50:59.380 There's a lot at stake here, especially when it comes to big national psyopsis that, of course, the CIA does everything in its power in order to prevent the people from finding out, like the Wuhan lab leak.

00:51:10.460 Which, as we know, the CIA paid analysts to cover up, which we know the CIA had their fingerprints on.

00:51:15.900 And when we look at stories specifically with individuals like Udo Uffkett, he was a very prominent German journalist.

00:51:23.240 He was essentially writing for all the top German newspapers.

00:51:26.540 And he described a situation where the intel agencies literally came to him.

00:51:30.540 They wrote up stories and they were like, here, put your name on it.

00:51:33.220 We're going to publish this.

00:51:34.260 Yep.

00:51:34.620 And he was like, do I have a choice?

00:51:36.880 Nope, you do not.

00:51:37.720 And he literally, under his name, published CIA propaganda, which he later in his life came out and said, hey, these guys literally were.

00:51:46.340 Writing articles for me.

00:51:47.560 It wasn't even me.

00:51:48.560 It was the CIA, which is crazy that they were doing that in Germany.

00:51:52.960 Imagine what they're doing here.

00:51:54.160 Yeah.

00:51:54.280 You mentioned you were talking about, you know, blackmail and stuff.

00:51:57.780 And I want one of the things you said kind of struck me, like the idea that that the really, really powerful people are beyond blackmail.

00:52:06.140 I wonder what like what's your take on like Epstein and Clinton, Bill Clinton's relationship?

00:52:11.280 Because if, if, if, if someone like that is beyond like blackmail or whatever, people that are higher up, whoever it may be, like, then what is the incentive for them to actually be around Epstein, you know?

00:52:24.980 Well, if, so imagine you're Bill Clinton.

00:52:27.860 Actually, I have, I have a funny story.

00:52:29.100 This is a true story.

00:52:30.680 A staffer who worked on the Clinton campaign.

00:52:33.200 This was, you know, many, many years ago, obviously a couple of decades.

00:52:36.000 And Clinton said, oh, did you, you know, did you have a good time?

00:52:38.980 They go, oh yeah, Mr. President.

00:52:40.460 You know, went to the strip club.

00:52:41.440 He goes, oh, did they wear bottoms?

00:52:43.500 And he goes, no, sir, they didn't.

00:52:44.700 He goes, oh man, I missed those days, right?

00:52:47.140 True story.

00:52:48.480 So if you're Clinton, you can't go to a strip club.

00:52:50.720 No. 0.98

00:52:50.940 You can't go to a brothel. 1.00

00:52:52.060 You're still horny. 0.97

00:52:53.300 Like, I think that's where, you know, I try not to be crude or, you know, talk vulgar or whatever, but it's just like, if you're Bill Clinton, you're still like a horny man. 0.51

00:53:01.940 You're the most recognizable man in the world. 0.98

00:53:03.800 How do you have sex? 0.76

00:53:05.260 Like, just seriously, think about it. 0.87

00:53:06.900 In the Oval Office.

00:53:07.800 You're married to Hillary for Frick's sakes. 1.00

00:53:10.000 Holy cow. 0.89

00:53:10.580 And you've already had a scandal.

00:53:12.520 There's a big problem. 0.92

00:53:13.620 So he's still horny.

00:53:14.520 So Epstein doesn't need to blackmail.

00:53:15.920 And Epstein's like, hey, you know, why don't we just get some girls?

00:53:17.840 Some Eastern Europe.

00:53:18.760 We'll fly out.

00:53:19.680 We'll hang out.

00:53:20.220 Nobody knows nothing.

00:53:21.440 So you don't even need to record Clinton.

00:53:23.560 He's like, you're my boy.

00:53:25.520 You know, so I think that was probably the case, too, with Bill Gates was.

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00:54:56.960 You would say, well, Bill Gates, like, how do I?

00:55:01.620 Bill Gates has no game, I'm sure.

00:55:03.420 No, no, no.

00:55:03.860 There's stories of him at Microsoft.

00:55:05.580 There's stories of him trying to hit on the women that he was working on.

00:55:08.800 He'd buy watches.

00:55:09.400 And it not working.

00:55:12.120 So if you have someone who is a billionaire and you can't even get laid as a billionaire, man.

00:55:17.260 I don't buy it.

00:55:18.500 Look, I really don't like these stories.

00:55:22.280 People try to say something like, oh, I heard a story.

00:55:24.160 Bill Gates couldn't get laid. 1.00

00:55:25.120 Ha ha, what an idiot. 1.00

00:55:25.640 They say, oh, Donald Trump, he has several bankruptcies. 1.00

00:55:28.360 Ha ha, what an idiot. 1.00

00:55:29.300 I'm like, Donald Trump had like 600 businesses and five bankruptcies. 1.00

00:55:32.460 Bankruptcies are a normal part of doing business.

00:55:34.280 So Bill Gates tried to mack on some women who rejected him.

00:55:37.200 Rejection is a part of all these dating things.

00:55:39.440 Dude, you would never get me to make a wager.

00:55:42.060 Someone said, place $100 on either Bill Gates can't get laid or he can't.

00:55:45.480 I'll be like, I'm betting on him getting laid. 0.99

00:55:46.620 Are you nuts? 0.97

00:55:47.220 He's one of the richest men on the planet. 0.99

00:55:48.880 He shows up and he's like, hey, girls.

00:55:50.220 And he throws money on the table and they're going to be like, I'm hanging out with that guy.

00:55:52.540 Yeah, but money's not game.

00:55:53.640 So you've got money, but he's got game.

00:55:55.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:55.260 But hold on, hold on.

00:55:56.260 Game is energy, though.

00:55:57.560 Yeah, but hold on.

00:55:59.060 Right.

00:55:59.540 Listen, there's several different factors in game.

00:56:02.620 And let's say like a well-balanced guy is physically fit.

00:56:05.980 He's smart.

00:56:06.880 He's funny.

00:56:07.660 He's got some money.

00:56:08.700 Thanks, Tim.

00:56:09.360 I appreciate it.

00:56:10.200 That's right. 0.98

00:56:10.540 Now, let's say he's ugly. 0.97

00:56:12.680 He's out of shape.

00:56:13.720 He can't make a joke to save himself, but he's got 10 times the money that can make up for his deficits.

00:56:19.900 100%.

00:56:20.200 And I'm not saying all women are vapid and only want cash. 0.99

00:56:22.880 I'm saying he will have massive success in the market of women who want money.

00:56:26.880 Yeah, and if you're going to be real, I mean, honestly, Bill Gates is interesting because he's lived an interesting life.

00:56:32.980 And I'm sure he's got a ton of interesting stories that he can tell and stuff.

00:56:35.800 You know, I've seen these young women marry these 80-year-old dudes who are rich. 0.81

00:56:38.280 You know what I mean?

00:56:38.660 Yeah, but to me, if you're those guys, though, the biggest issue is always going to be logistics.

00:56:47.000 They're getting like blown up.

00:56:48.040 Because remember, Bill Gates had a wife.

00:56:50.580 She divorced him, right?

00:56:51.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:52.380 Because he wouldn't stop hanging out with Epstein.

00:56:54.020 Well, when it became public, it wasn't.

00:56:56.160 She used that as leverage for her divorce settlement. 1.00

00:56:58.920 That's too like, well, why would we leave Melinda Gates?

00:57:02.180 Well, she wanted to leverage the divorce settlement. 0.99

00:57:04.660 But so to me, when you look at blackmail, you want to be like, well, who could be blackmailing who Clint?

00:57:09.540 You don't need to blackmail Bill Gates.

00:57:11.080 He's part of the agenda.

00:57:12.440 He just wants to get laid.

00:57:14.080 Right?

00:57:14.520 And then how old are the women? 1.00

00:57:16.200 Go into that.

00:57:16.820 Sure.

00:57:17.400 Bill Gates.

00:57:17.940 Bill Gates just wants to get laid.

00:57:19.340 He's part of the agenda.

00:57:20.780 So you don't need to blackmail him.

00:57:22.040 But then you have all these people on the periphery and you would say, well, I do want to, maybe I can get my hooks on people.

00:57:30.300 So I think, you know, I think Eric Weinstein told this story, which was an interesting one on one of the shows where the way they would like groom you is they would have like right here would be an American flag table.

00:57:42.440 So you'd go in to have dinner and they would have dinner on the American flag.

00:57:46.160 So some cornball like me is like, yeah, it's kind of weird.

00:57:49.500 I'm out of here.

00:57:50.240 You know?

00:57:50.760 But if you were fine with that or you thought, oh, this is so avid.

00:57:53.480 I see what you're saying.

00:57:54.900 Yeah.

00:57:55.200 Start doing small things that people might find offensive.

00:57:59.300 And if you get past the first one, then intensify.

00:58:03.300 He had paintings of Bush insinuating that he took down the Twin Towers.

00:58:07.480 He had paintings of Clinton.

00:58:08.520 It's Bush with paper airplanes and like Jenga towers being knocked over.

00:58:11.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:12.060 He had Bill Clinton in that blue dress that Monica Lewinsky wore before. 0.98

00:58:15.320 So he was definitely controversial to say the least.

00:58:20.780 Well, that's the funnel, though. 0.63

00:58:21.940 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:58:22.720 The way Eric explained it, the way it would make sense to anybody who's even done internet business is you have a big funnel.

00:58:29.120 Most people aren't going to buy. 0.91

00:58:30.340 If you have a 2% conversion rate at the end of it, you're a freaking genius.

00:58:34.380 You know, like, wow, anybody who's never done business is like 2%.

00:58:37.260 Like, oh, my, if you do 2%, dude, you will never want for work, right?

00:58:41.280 So you have a weird funnel.

00:58:42.380 So for me, if you're eating on the American flag, I'm thinking, yeah, you're kind of weird.

00:58:46.260 This isn't my vibe.

00:58:47.320 Or I see your weird avant-garde art, which, you know, other art collectors kind of had.

00:58:51.460 And I think that's, you know, there's a cannibalistic art picture, of course, famously by a staffer of Clinton.

00:58:58.320 So then you get through the funnel.

00:58:59.220 So that's how I think you take normies, maybe like an Eric Weinstein, and you say, oh, okay, so can I get to this guy?

00:59:07.520 Yeah.

00:59:07.840 Because maybe, okay, well, I'll run them through the funnel and see where he, and then eventually you're, because you don't just come out and say, hey, man, you want to, I have, you know, these chicks coming over my house. 1.00

00:59:18.300 You want to, like, come over and meet chicks.

00:59:19.720 That's not going to work for anybody.

00:59:20.980 But you run them through that weirdo funnel, and then at the end you've groomed them, or maybe you entrap them.

00:59:27.580 Other things can happen.

00:59:28.660 Podesta's art gallery definitely is a major black pill.

00:59:32.440 We could get into that in another time.

00:59:34.840 But another thing that also linked Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein together is their kind of love and affiliation for eugenics and population control.

00:59:45.460 So people don't really talk about this a lot, but Jeffrey Epstein was involved very heavily in the scientific community.

00:59:51.960 He bankrolled a lot of very controversial scientific studies that we still have no idea about, and he literally tried to spread his DNA by impregnating 20 women on his own ranch.

01:00:02.900 This is reported by the Times of Israel, talking about his specific dream of spreading his DNA as far and as wide as he could as well.

01:00:11.680 Bill Gates, also another eugenicist who believes that there's too many people in this world, and also supports a lot of very controversial scientific experiments and projects.

01:00:20.740 So what were they really?

01:00:21.840 Bill Gates wants to vaccinate.

01:00:24.420 I don't ever want to be in the position to defend Bill Gates, other than his vaccination.

01:00:31.580 People have more children.

01:00:32.760 Why are there fewer children today?

01:00:34.360 People have more children when your kids die.

01:00:36.880 So if you go back to the history world, people would have 12 kids, because maybe eight of them would die.

01:00:41.240 We can't imagine that in the Western world.

01:00:43.980 So when people say he's a eugenicist of population control, the idea is that if you know that four of your kids might die from malaria, then you might have eight kids, because you want to have four kids at the end of it.

01:00:56.500 So if you get vaccinations to these people, then they're going to be able to do more family planning.

01:01:02.140 So I'm no Bill Gates defender, but I think his vaccination program is so different from the problems that they're trying to solve.

01:01:10.900 But I mean, let's think about that for a second.

01:01:13.920 Epstein is a guy who wants to sow his seed as far as seeds can be sown.

01:01:17.880 And so Bill Gates, let's entertain this conspiracy theory.

01:01:20.700 Bill Gates is like, there are much too many people.

01:01:22.300 And Epstein's like, I agree.

01:01:23.200 They should all be me.

01:01:24.020 And he goes, that's right.

01:01:24.960 So he depopulates the world and replaces them all with little Epsteins? 1.00

01:01:27.580 Yes.

01:01:27.760 Listen to this Times of Israel article.

01:01:32.240 New York financier accused of trafficking small minors, was interested in eugenics, would surround himself with top scientists who entertained his half-baked ideas, New York Times says.

01:01:42.660 I know, but the implication is that Bill Gates is like, it's not about depopulation.

01:01:46.960 It's about repopulation of Epstein's genetics.

01:01:49.740 Luke's too serious.

01:01:50.680 He missed the joke.

01:01:51.580 Got it.

01:01:52.300 Yeah, I am.

01:01:52.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:53.780 Bill Gates is like, I love Epstein so much.

01:01:56.700 He's the genetic specimen.

01:01:58.120 But all that to me feels very limited hangout-ish, right?

01:02:03.340 To me, though, the only – to me, it's all interesting.

01:02:06.900 Everything's interesting, right?

01:02:07.820 You wake up, life is interesting.

01:02:09.040 But the things that – when we talk about those things, we're not talking about who is his prime broker.

01:02:16.080 Like where did this guy get his money? 0.99

01:02:18.640 Where are the fucking trades? 0.99

01:02:20.280 Why didn't they charge him under the Man Act? 0.99

01:02:22.140 What happened to the safe?

01:02:23.780 Where are the tapes from the safe?

01:02:24.920 Where – you know, why didn't they charge it?

01:02:27.440 And then I – so I think that Operation Mockingbird, the way it works – and I've seen this done to me personally, actually.

01:02:33.560 And I've seen it done to certain things where you're talking about one thing, and then they narrowly define it.

01:02:41.380 Because remember, we were talking about Epstein under a certain hashtag before these files came out.

01:02:47.620 And then they go, no, actually, that hashtag doesn't have anything to do with Epstein.

01:02:51.540 It's actually about this thing that nobody was talking about.

01:02:53.600 Which one was it?

01:02:54.400 I don't want to go into that.

01:02:55.760 Oh, I see, I see, I see.

01:02:56.960 I keep a wide berth here, you know.

01:02:58.560 I know, I get it.

01:03:00.400 But – so I was like, nobody was talking about that.

01:03:03.160 Or like one crank – one like crank was talking about – that's not – but that's how they shut down discussion.

01:03:08.920 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:03:09.180 Is they go, oh, everybody – shit, we're talking about Jimmy Savelle now. 0.99

01:03:12.260 They do – yeah. 0.99

01:03:13.260 They'll do this thing where – and a lot of people online fall victim to this very easily.

01:03:17.740 Let's say there's a guy who has an email outlining his plan to rob a bank.

01:03:21.480 Like the emails get leaked and he'll say something like the crow, you know, flies at midnight.

01:03:27.320 And it's very obvious what they're alluding to is their plot to rob a bank.

01:03:31.440 And then when they're like, uh-oh, these people online are starting to figure out what we're doing, they'll introduce fake evidence.

01:03:36.620 And then a picture of a guy named the crow and he's a – he's a – you know, he works for a petroleum company.

01:03:43.060 And then they're like, aha, they were actually trying to buy oil shares.

01:03:46.360 And then everyone goes, whoa, totally diverts what was actually going on.

01:03:49.920 Everyone forgets about the real story and targets the wrong story.

01:03:52.740 And you flood the zone and that's a lot that's happened with Epstein is you want to flood the zone with as much truthful information, half-truth information.

01:04:01.220 There was actually that cool scene if you ever watch Money Heist during the lockdowns where they were going to release all of this information damaging the government officials.

01:04:09.780 So the government officials said, we're going to dump a bunch of fake stuff.

01:04:12.920 And now the zone – because that's actually a tactic.

01:04:15.420 This was a strategy that they wanted to use against WikiLeaks.

01:04:19.000 The plan was to leak fake documents to Julian Assange, make them appear real, and give some credibility to them.

01:04:24.660 So when WikiLeaks reported it, they could come out and say it's all fake.

01:04:26.920 And this is what Cass Sunstein, Obama's Informations Are, literally wrote about in Harvard, which is another Epstein connection, by the way.

01:04:33.940 But when you look at his essentially white paper on fighting disinformation, he openly bragged about spreading disinformation himself in order to muddy the waters, in order to confuse people.

01:04:44.140 And with every kind of major event, whether it's COVID or 9-11, we always see a bunch of crazy people come on and say the most wild, absurd stuff.

01:04:53.320 So then everyone always associates the victims or the people who want the actual truth and accountability here with some of these crazy, bat-ish individuals that are literally spreading off the news. 1.00

01:05:05.160 People that are inclined to disbelieve the official narrative, they tend to believe almost anything else that's given to them.

01:05:12.680 If you're automatically suspicious of whatever the standard media narrative is, it's really tough to parse through all the other information to find what's actually true.

01:05:24.940 Let's use the Great Replacement as an example. 0.56

01:05:27.180 What does the average person mean when they're talking online about this?

01:05:29.920 Democrats have expressed numerous times over many, many years that displacing the majority population of this country with immigrant voters is beneficial to their hold on power in this country.

01:05:41.140 Van Jones famously said, not even that long ago, we're asking the white majority to become a minority, and we know what that means. 0.51

01:05:46.240 Ten years ago, they were writing pieces called The Browning of America.

01:05:48.860 And so what happens then is, as soon as people start talking about the Great Replacement, on Wikipedia, it gets flooded with articles saying it's a white supremacist conspiracy theory that believes Jewish organizations have started, and then all of a sudden, the average person sitting at home, someone will say to them, did you hear about what the Democrats are talking about?

01:06:06.180 Like they wanted to, Van Jones was saying he wanted to bring in a bunch of immigrants for voting power.

01:06:10.080 They'll go, oh, wait a minute, I heard about that.

01:06:12.520 You think the Jews are doing, and then all of a sudden, it becomes something insane, the average person.

01:06:18.120 It's basically information vaccination.

01:06:20.640 They want to give a fake psychotic story to the average person before they can hear the actual concerns.

01:06:27.180 Ian Crossan was talking about this.

01:06:28.380 He mentioned this with his mom.

01:06:29.700 He says whenever he sees the media put out a fake story, he's like, I got to call my mom right away and make sure I give her the real information before she gets tricked by the corporate press.

01:06:37.180 And so that's another way of saying that when we talk about Epstein, we have to be asked if we're falling victim to that and going down rabbit holes that they're doing the Flood of the Zone. 0.53

01:06:49.160 Or another favorite tactic, too, is like, I didn't know who Dave was doing.

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01:08:18.200 What Duke was until the media said that Trump, he endorsed Trump.

01:08:24.300 So they prop out figures.

01:08:25.680 So with the Great Replacement Theory, I believe most of these anti-Semites online are federal operations.

01:08:33.120 Because I know a lot of people.

01:08:34.500 I talk to a lot of people.

01:08:35.960 People are criticized to every group of people.

01:08:38.620 And nobody talks like these people do on the internet.

01:08:40.640 But what you do is, when you're like, oh, here's that guy.

01:08:44.620 What do we want to discredit today?

01:08:46.300 Let's decredit Great Replacement. 0.97

01:08:48.620 Oh, so we'll have this guy say, well, the Jews are doing it. 0.83

01:08:51.080 And then you even notice, too, because I kind of, I smoke these guys out. 0.87

01:08:55.300 We'll go back to Epstein, but this is a tactic I use to smoke them out.

01:08:58.960 I said, well, you know, if you want to talk about these Jewish organizations and migrant resettlement,

01:09:03.740 why don't we talk about Catholic charities?

01:09:05.200 And that's why you have Ilhan Omar in Minneapolis.

01:09:08.420 And then they lost their minds.

01:09:10.260 And I was like, oh, that's how I know your feds. 0.85

01:09:12.380 Because if you actually cared, you would say, well, yes, they're the Hebrew resettlement organizations.

01:09:18.040 One of them, Lutheran Charities is one.

01:09:19.700 Catholic Charities is another.

01:09:21.420 And then they even tried to say, well, actually, the Jews control Catholic Charities.

01:09:25.500 And you're like, oh, so you're a fed.

01:09:27.980 And everyone's Jewish.

01:09:29.220 And everyone's in on it.

01:09:30.980 They posted a meme.

01:09:32.320 They deleted it.

01:09:32.900 And it was a list of, it was like media personalities with Stars of David.

01:09:36.460 You were on it.

01:09:37.160 And Luke was on it.

01:09:38.520 And then I commented.

01:09:39.680 I tweeted, ha ha.

01:09:40.540 Like, they've actually put Luke.

01:09:41.340 They deleted it.

01:09:42.140 Like, these people, I cannot believe they're real people.

01:09:44.220 Well, that's been going around for about two months now already.

01:09:47.140 I, like, dude.

01:09:48.820 Dude, people call me Jewish.

01:09:50.580 But it's remarkable that they'll just take any individual who is challenging the machine or whatever,

01:09:57.280 or in any way, like, it's seemingly anybody.

01:10:01.240 Like, I don't understand.

01:10:02.520 They made one where Brian Stelter has a Star of David.

01:10:05.300 And I'm like, you can literally just Google the guy.

01:10:07.880 And he's like, I don't know, he's some kind of denomination of Christian.

01:10:10.300 And then they put Luke on it.

01:10:11.880 And I'm like, there's literally never been any instance where Luke has done anything related to Judaism.

01:10:16.800 It's the same thing.

01:10:17.900 He's critical Israel, too.

01:10:18.900 But that's the idea is you have, you know, because the idea that MKUltra, Operation Mockingbird,

01:10:24.620 and these things ended, of course, would be you fall off a turnip truck if you believe that.

01:10:28.260 So you want to constantly flood the zone.

01:10:31.300 That's why it's so hard to be right wing.

01:10:33.140 Because you're like, no, actually, I have influence.

01:10:36.020 This is what we really believe.

01:10:37.520 I'm not, like, making it up or putting on a front face.

01:10:39.580 Like, here's what we think about Israel.

01:10:41.400 You know, we got some problems.

01:10:42.460 They've done some things that aren't really good.

01:10:43.980 And, you know, we've talked about that here.

01:10:46.340 You can go see all the things we talked about.

01:10:48.160 They're like, no, no, the right wing, they hate Jews, and therefore they hate Israel, the Jewish state.

01:10:52.800 Like, nobody, nobody does, other than these Fed operations or the nonprofits, of course, fund them.

01:10:59.740 Because what better way to raise money than to say, oh, look at all these extremists online.

01:11:03.840 And then anybody who would question that would say, well, Media Matters was caught sock puppeting Elon Musk.

01:11:08.060 So if Media Matters would create sock puppet accounts to manufacture an advertising boycott, then why wouldn't these groups also go on as little online Hitlers and create all this drama to make it look like this is a big problem and I can raise money off of it?

01:11:23.080 My favorite was several years ago.

01:11:25.980 It was myself.

01:11:27.560 I believe it was also Max Blumenthal.

01:11:29.240 Several individuals who are, like, moderate or even leftist.

01:11:32.800 Most of them are, like, leftist, who are anti-war.

01:11:34.400 Remember, the SPLC wrote an article claiming that the left and the right had this, like, unification under anti-Semitism and stuff like that.

01:11:44.740 They claimed – first they called me alt-right, which was, like, laughably absurd, especially at the time.

01:11:50.160 But they claimed that I had gone to Iran for a Holocaust deniers conference, and their source was an archive of a conspiracy theory website from Iran that had since been deleted.

01:11:59.860 And I was not so much involved in the legal proceedings, but several of the individuals who were named – I think Rania Kalik may have been also implied in here.

01:12:10.660 Max Blumenthal sent, like, a letter.

01:12:13.000 They immediately took it down because the implication was I was like, I'm more than happy to go to court over this.

01:12:17.960 I would love the Southern Poverty Law Center to assert they genuinely believed a Holocaust – an Iranian Holocaust deniers website was a true source of information.

01:12:26.420 And not just reckless disregard for the truth.

01:12:28.640 So they had to delete it.

01:12:29.740 But I'm wondering, you know, for what purpose did they try to make that claim about me at the time that I was a Holocaust-denying Iranian venture-going –

01:12:38.220 Because they were – that's how they remove people from the board, right?

01:12:42.020 And so, yeah.

01:12:43.580 Well, they made it – they really screwed that one up.

01:12:45.240 No, they're not.

01:12:46.140 That's the thing.

01:12:46.800 You lived in that world.

01:12:47.920 I've met and had deep – deep, yeah, right, with the journalists, deep conversation.

01:12:53.640 Good luck.

01:12:54.420 But I've had conversations where – with 100, 200 journalists to the point where I can kind of feel out, like, what I'm dealing with.

01:13:02.800 And for the most part, you're dealing with lightweights. 0.99

01:13:05.880 You're not dealing – this whole idea that the MAGA people are stupid, nobody reads, these people don't read. 0.99

01:13:12.700 Ask a journalist, like, hey, what's the last book you read? 1.00

01:13:14.840 They don't read.

01:13:15.440 They don't have any kind of curiosity.

01:13:16.320 Mike, we had a town hall podcast event here in Iowa on TimCast IRL.

01:13:23.520 There's a gigantic TV screen that says TimCast IRL.

01:13:27.180 And the guy – one of the journalists from the local news outlets wrote Vivek Apir on the Tim Pool Daily Show.

01:13:32.400 And I'm just like, does this man not have Google?

01:13:34.960 Does he not have eyes for which he can see the screen before him?

01:13:38.780 Did he not look at any of the individuals here and ask them what – like, he didn't ask a single person what they were doing here, what was going on.

01:13:44.560 He didn't know the name of the event he was attending that he then went on to write about.

01:13:50.380 I had one of your staff guys tell me that they were very uncomfortable when I was calling them prostitutes of the horse stream media. 0.98

01:13:57.260 And when you look at what they're doing, it's not just – it's criminal.

01:14:03.380 They covered up this story of Epstein for so long, just to bring it full circle here.

01:14:09.820 You look at what ABC News did with Amy Robash.

01:14:12.340 You look at Vanity Fair with the latest revelations that came out with Bill Clinton, according to some sources, through these latest documents,

01:14:19.000 barging into the headquarters of Vanity Fair and saying, no, you're not going to tell the stories of these victims here.

01:14:25.040 You look at almost all the people that were victims here.

01:14:29.340 They all document specific cases.

01:14:31.480 We had the stories.

01:14:32.360 We had the documents.

01:14:32.780 We had the evidence.

01:14:33.920 The corporate media chose to ignore it for over 30-plus years.

01:14:36.640 VH1 was promoting Jeffrey Epstein as some great philanthropist.

01:14:40.180 And they essentially were aiding and abetting a larger trafficking and extortion operation of children here.

01:14:47.140 If I were to make a bet, the Amy Robash stuff, where she's on camera saying, I had him.

01:14:52.280 I had Clinton.

01:14:53.000 I had the Epstein stuff.

01:14:54.400 How much do you want to bet Clinton himself?

01:14:56.120 Went in and said, do not – just like – I'm not saying how much do you want to bet.

01:14:59.380 There's that email where it claims Bill Clinton went to Vanity Fair and said, do not do this reporting.

01:15:04.480 Why would that not be the same case for ABC?

01:15:07.100 The royal family in that case.

01:15:08.920 Yes, they're the ones who interfered.

01:15:10.820 They just said, well, we won't let you interview the prince.

01:15:12.880 Right, right, right.

01:15:13.420 ABC decided it's more important to –

01:15:15.520 Kate and the royal family, they were like, we're not going to give you any access and coverage.

01:15:20.020 You know what I would say?

01:15:21.080 If I had this story and they came to me and said, you're not going to be able to interview these individuals who do this reporting,

01:15:26.140 I'll be like, okay, I'll do the reporting, and then you're going to want to do those interviews, and we're not going to let you do them.

01:15:32.700 It's not just them.

01:15:33.440 It's also the FBI.

01:15:34.180 In the 90s, the victims here came to the FBI, gave testimony, gave evidence.

01:15:39.440 FBI was like, oh, okay, that's nice.

01:15:42.860 And then they ignored it, and they didn't do anything about it.

01:15:44.640 I am tired of hearing these stories of the people with leverage giving up their leverage to evil people.

01:15:50.360 In this instance, ABC could have told them, no, you are going to give us the interviews because we're the ones with the story, and we're going to report it.

01:16:00.380 And if you want to play ball, you play ball with us.

01:16:04.320 Instead, they go, oh, we'll play ball with you.

01:16:06.000 Why?

01:16:06.720 I was talking – Elon Musk did this, and this is why I have tremendous respect for him.

01:16:10.080 When the advertisers threatened him over this BS adpocalypse, he said, go F yourselves, and that's what I'm talking about.

01:16:16.740 When the first adpocalypse happened on YouTube, all these big advertisers said, we're going to cancel our ads on YouTube unless you ban these things.

01:16:23.860 I'm like, it was the easiest thing in the world for YouTube.

01:16:27.060 Let's just say hypothetical Company A.

01:16:30.060 I'm not going to use any real company names.

01:16:31.180 Let's say Company A shows up and says, you know, look, Tim, we don't like the nature of your show and the things you say, so we're going to pull our sponsorship from you unless you stop saying these things.

01:16:41.460 You know my responses?

01:16:42.760 All right, here's what I'm going to do.

01:16:44.220 Who's your chief rival, Company B?

01:16:45.720 I'm going to replace all your ads with theirs.

01:16:48.800 Did you want to rethink what you were just asking me?

01:16:50.720 If YouTube said, you know, oh, you're coming and threatening to pull your ads,

01:16:54.320 I will make sure however much money you spent in marketing, we will divert to your chief rival. 0.82

01:16:59.740 And let's see how much they enjoy the free press and the billions in marketing we give them instead.

01:17:04.280 Let's see how your brand fares.

01:17:05.700 Not only that, we can go a step further.

01:17:08.760 I'm talking to, you know, I talk to individuals who are scared.

01:17:11.340 If I speak out, I'll get fired.

01:17:12.820 I'll get canceled.

01:17:13.960 And I'm like, use that leverage.

01:17:17.020 If a company tells you, hey, you're a pro athlete, you're a musician.

01:17:20.240 If you speak up about this stuff, we'll fire you.

01:17:22.180 So my response to them would be like, okay, here's what I'm going to do.

01:17:25.720 I'm going to make a post about how you just threatened to fire me because I want to call out Epstein.

01:17:29.780 And whatever you think the damages would have been for me calling out Epstein,

01:17:33.280 it's going to be tenfold when now you're involved in the cover-up of Epstein.

01:17:36.980 Have a nice day.

01:17:37.660 Or perhaps you'd like to rethink what you just said to me.

01:17:40.300 Yeah, but that's why you're not.

01:17:41.880 Because to be good, you have to have a certain, like, personality profile.

01:17:48.900 So what makes you good at your job would make you not be in a corporate executive role to make that kind of decision.

01:17:54.820 It is.

01:17:56.040 It's just a different brain.

01:17:57.380 It is fun.

01:17:58.700 They want to go along, though.

01:17:59.840 That's the thing.

01:18:00.540 You yourself enjoy the challenge, right?

01:18:04.080 The people that are going along, like, they enjoy getting along, and they want the benefits that come from going along.

01:18:11.320 They want to have a nice dinner.

01:18:12.740 They want to, when they fly out to the U.K., they want to be entertained.

01:18:16.700 Right?

01:18:17.320 I do like the challenge.

01:18:20.360 And that's why I was saying it is fun.

01:18:21.920 More than like.

01:18:22.420 You come to me with a baseball bat banging on the ground, threatening me.

01:18:26.800 You've just entertained me.

01:18:28.960 Like, don't you dare.

01:18:30.400 And I wish more people would exercise their leverage, their autonomy, their power, their capabilities.

01:18:37.420 I just, it is frustrating to me that there is an evil force that is not as powerful as people would think.

01:18:44.700 You know what?

01:18:45.400 I'll give you a better example.

01:18:46.580 The movie Ants.

01:18:47.780 But here's what I mean.

01:18:49.060 In the movie Ants, right, the grasshoppers are oppressing the ants.

01:18:53.840 And it's like, if these ants ever find out that if they team up, they're more powerful than us, we're in deep trouble.

01:18:58.020 That's what I mean.

01:18:59.140 These people who come to you and threaten you, we're going to take your job away if you support Donald Trump.

01:19:03.220 I'm like, yeah, but if every single Trump supporter, you know, they call it the secret Trump supporter or the silent Trump voter.

01:19:09.020 If every single one of them said, okay, fire me.

01:19:10.800 Good luck.

01:19:11.620 It would not be the case because the masses have more power together. 0.56

01:19:15.940 They want you to believe that they can crush you and you have to be scared when, in fact, you should stand up for yourself.

01:19:21.600 And if everybody did, they'd win.

01:19:23.120 Yeah, but it's like you wanted to do Nature Channel. 0.75

01:19:25.460 I'm sure you're a little kid and you're like, hey, why don't these bison just all kill the lions?

01:19:30.200 There's like eight lions.

01:19:31.180 There's a thousand of them.

01:19:32.420 And then that's the Western education model, though, that teaches us that we're like Tabula Rasa and everything.

01:19:38.600 And some people just have herd DNA, like the other day I said, like noble DNA.

01:19:44.440 There are some people, like me personally, where it's a little different now that I have kids, but I would have just like, okay, I've been threatened and stuff, you know? 0.99

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01:19:56.780 Like I just don't really care. 0.99

01:19:58.620 I would rather not live in indignity.

01:20:01.200 But a lot of people have different kind of DNA.

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01:21:28.860 Hey, and they, you know, they'll deal with the indignity.

01:21:34.400 So, you know, how do you solve the problem?

01:21:35.900 Well, the way you solve the problem is always courage is contagious.

01:21:37.980 Virtue is modeled.

01:21:39.220 You do it.

01:21:40.700 Elon does it.

01:21:41.420 Other people do it.

01:21:42.100 I try to do it whenever I can to show people, hey, like, at least for now, nobody dies.

01:21:49.180 Right?

01:21:49.540 Like, you're not going to die if you say these things.

01:21:52.480 And if you have a little bit of money saved up, how much more money do you, like, the bigger problem I have, maybe, because we all have our biases, is I know guys with enough money that you can live off the interest.

01:22:04.340 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:04.660 And they're just such fucking pussies. 1.00

01:22:06.400 And you're like, dude. 1.00

01:22:07.520 And they're like, oh, but I, you know, but I could be worth more. 1.00

01:22:10.420 It's like, dude, shut, you're a fucking pussy. 1.00

01:22:12.660 You know, you're already rich. 1.00

01:22:14.160 I just wanted to say really quick, a lot of people are disconnected from the spiritual aspect of this existence.

01:22:20.240 A lot of people's pineal glands are calcified.

01:22:23.960 A lot of them don't have that larger connection that makes them kind of connect these dots, saying, hey, we have one life to live.

01:22:29.600 We are one kind of energetic source.

01:22:32.060 Why lower your vibration?

01:22:34.280 Why be in a position where you regret and do really awful, horrible stuff, as, of course, all of this, like, superficial stuff is meaningless.

01:22:42.100 So, without that spiritual, without that religious connection about your, who you are, your karma, your judgment, a lot of these people don't have any of that.

01:22:50.800 And this is why they're able to make these kind of cold-blooded decisions, saying, I'm going to get money.

01:22:54.620 I'm going to live in the pleasure centers of now, instead of the larger kind of gratifications of eternal life and greatness of doing good in this world.

01:23:02.980 You know, I think there's that question.

01:23:05.980 What would you do if you won the lottery, right?

01:23:07.380 You won the Mega Millions, won $100 million.

01:23:08.620 What would you do?

01:23:09.200 And the average person, you would ask, is going to say something like, buy a house, pay off my debt, private island, stuff like that.

01:23:18.740 And it's a bummer, because the reality is, even wealthy, successful individuals that everyone who's, like, listening to the show would follow still have the exact same mentality.

01:23:27.380 Just because they earned their wealth doesn't mean they still don't have the mentality of, once I have the money, I'm going to buy myself a boat or a gold statue of themselves.

01:23:33.980 And it is a bummer, because it's like what you were saying about these people who could just, you're rich forever.

01:23:38.660 At that point, it's like, you can really do something now.

01:23:41.620 You have so much less to fear than the average person who's like, if I stick my neck out, I lose my job, I can't feed my kids.

01:23:46.740 There are too many people who are independently wealthy and still making money.

01:23:50.820 And I'm like, you know, you come to me, and you'll say to me, I really appreciate what you do.

01:23:56.460 My response to you is, you have substantially more money than I do.

01:23:59.120 Why don't you do something?

01:24:00.600 Invest in something.

01:24:01.360 Spend the money in a way that's going to actually help us win.

01:24:04.280 Speaking of that, how many rich guys, especially if you're coming up, before you quit talking to them, just wasted your time?

01:24:11.080 Oh, hey, I want to meet, talk about something.

01:24:13.160 Right.

01:24:13.720 And you're like, oh, okay, cool. 0.99

01:24:15.240 Because me, I've funded movies and shit. 0.76

01:24:16.980 Like, I've written checks even before, you know, I've funded a lot of stuff out of my own pocket. 0.83

01:24:21.920 And so I'm like, oh, okay, he probably wants to, like, fund a movie.

01:24:24.780 I can push him in the right direction.

01:24:26.020 I don't need his money, but I can get him somewhere.

01:24:28.380 And you realize, like, oh, okay, that's another thing, too, that maybe that's why I'm less, I've become less of a conspiracy theorist over the years,

01:24:34.620 because I've met so many of these people who are pulling the strings.

01:24:38.780 And I find them pretty, like, banal.

01:24:40.300 And I've learned people, making money is a skill in itself that you can learn, because I had to learn it myself.

01:24:47.820 But it's completely unrelated to being an interesting person, to have moral courage.

01:24:52.200 And I just, these guys I want to meet, and I was like, man, what a waste of my time.

01:24:57.020 Because I'm like, oh, no, here's actually somebody doing something cool.

01:24:59.940 This person doesn't really have, because I kind of know who's broke, who's not, right?

01:25:03.160 Bought a lot of dinners.

01:25:04.000 And then I'd be like, oh, no, actually, with that guy or that girl, like, you could really make a difference in that person's life for, like, a few grand a month.

01:25:12.480 You know, I don't need your money, you know?

01:25:14.680 Like, or if you want to make a film, you can write me a check, but it's going to be, you know, bigger, and I don't want you breathing over my neck.

01:25:19.940 You could tell on an energetic level they're usually very dense.

01:25:23.140 They're usually very superficial.

01:25:24.380 There's not a lot in there that is actually interesting or worthwhile.

01:25:28.920 I could see that you definitely have a spiritual connection to all of this.

01:25:33.600 I think a lot of people in this who are in the right reasons do, but I also think there's a lot of controlled opposition.

01:25:38.640 I think there's a lot of people out there who are willingly or unwillingly subverting and hurting us.

01:25:45.100 What would be your kind of message to those kind of individuals?

01:25:49.000 What would you tell them personally if you could speak to them?

01:25:51.320 You know, I don't think they're controlled opposition, but I'll tell you something that really bothered me, bothered me a lot, including by some people I like.

01:25:59.800 So I don't want to name names or do, like, a whole drama.

01:26:01.900 Oh, Cernovich bashed this person.

01:26:03.940 They're bashing you.

01:26:05.000 I'll just say, in general, what really bothered me was I know for a fact that during the COVID lockdowns, people moved to Florida, posted selfies.

01:26:15.440 I'm in the free state of Florida, and then when DeSantis announced his campaign, then they all said DeSantis locked down Florida.

01:26:22.240 Stuff like that really bothers me.

01:26:25.140 You can back Trump.

01:26:26.500 You can back DeSantis.

01:26:28.340 Don't do that, though.

01:26:30.380 Don't move to Florida.

01:26:31.940 Oh, I'm in the free state of Florida.

01:26:33.120 And they go, actually, no, DeSantis, he locked down Florida because that's what Trump said.

01:26:38.020 But those people aren't controlled opposition.

01:26:40.980 That's just like you got to play the game, man.

01:26:43.120 Hurt mentality.

01:26:43.600 Like me, I just don't really play the game or have any interest in that.

01:26:49.980 The truth matters here.

01:26:50.880 Or maybe there really are NPCs.

01:26:53.660 And we use—

01:26:54.260 They're smart people.

01:26:55.220 They know what they're doing.

01:26:56.240 No, I'm not saying all of those are saying.

01:26:56.960 They're playing politics.

01:26:57.780 They're playing the dirty game.

01:26:59.000 And they're compromising their morals to win.

01:27:01.060 When you mention that some people are just heard, you know, genetics or whatever, you know, whether figurative or literal, non-player characters,

01:27:08.240 they're not interested in being a character in the story.

01:27:10.620 They're interested in being the innkeeper you talk to one time.

01:27:12.480 Yeah, or they're more easily seduced by, like, trinkets.

01:27:16.160 That's another—that's, like, another way that people can kind of—you know, like, I'm wearing my—this is from Costco, right?

01:27:24.200 So I've had people try to seduce me kind of, like, with trinkets.

01:27:27.440 I'm like, dude, I don't—

01:27:28.700 Shiny rocks and colored paper.

01:27:30.580 Yeah, yeah, I remember because I remember early on in my kind of, like, early come-up where people are, like, trying to understand you to manipulate you.

01:27:37.740 Yeah.

01:27:38.020 And it was like, I'm not putting—I'm, like, I'm not putting on a front, dude.

01:27:41.980 Like, I don't—I don't want, like, the car.

01:27:44.580 I don't want the Lambo. 0.95

01:27:45.560 I don't want the—like, I just don't care about these things.

01:27:48.260 And they're like, no, I got to really figure out what your agenda is.

01:27:51.720 It's like, I don't know, dude.

01:27:52.460 Maybe I seem kind of fucking crazy to you, but I don't—I have an agenda, actually, of truth, or at least trying to fight, you know, demonic forces as I see them.

01:28:01.380 But a lot of people, too, that, you know, they want to be at Mar-a-Lago, and they want the picture that they're at Mar-a-Lago. 0.96

01:28:08.240 And then your friends are like, oh, wow, you've met Trump?

01:28:10.820 I've never met Trump.

01:28:12.180 I could have met Trump.

01:28:13.160 I'm never mad.

01:28:13.800 There's no picture of me with Donald Trump.

01:28:15.280 Never met the man, right?

01:28:16.180 And—but if I had a picture with Trump, that would give me cool guy points in my social circle, right?

01:28:22.220 Because when he would retweet me, people were like, oh, wow, you know, Trump retweeted you or whatever.

01:28:26.420 I was like, well, it was a great, great tweet, you know?

01:28:28.620 He should have.

01:28:29.440 You know, he should have had me running his Twitter.

01:28:31.880 He would have won.

01:28:33.540 So there is—

01:28:34.900 You're not wrong.

01:28:35.500 So there is a—within our own mind—my own mind, too, because I've had to overcome—that's the only reason I know I had to overcome all this stuff is there is a little chimp in our little brains. 0.99

01:28:46.240 That are like, ooh, that's shiny.

01:28:48.020 You know, oh, I need a bigger diamond.

01:28:49.620 You know, I need a bigger diamond ring.

01:28:51.040 I need a shinier car.

01:28:52.760 And moreover, I need people to know that I have these cars, right?

01:28:55.240 Because that's what cracks me up about the supercar discourses.

01:28:58.480 I love supercars so much.

01:29:00.200 No, you don't.

01:29:00.740 You want other people on the internet—

01:29:03.720 You love people knowing that you have them, right?

01:29:06.500 And so then the—because when you talk about spirituality or whatever, the lower vibration—I mean, I'm a victim to that, too.

01:29:13.600 You know? 1.00

01:29:14.260 Because it's easy to say when you've reached a level of success or whatever, like, oh, yeah, fuck all that shit. 1.00

01:29:19.480 I'm above it all. 1.00

01:29:20.680 I'm Buddha now or whatever.

01:29:21.860 And you realize, no, like, when I was coming up, those little things mattered because that's how you make your way up the food chain.

01:29:29.400 And then you want to do that without selling your soul.

01:29:32.200 And then it becomes a harder struggle, man, because when are you selling your soul?

01:29:37.360 When are you compromising?

01:29:38.460 When are you just being a team player?

01:29:39.780 When does Jeffrey Epstein come in and say, I'll give you that bigger rock.

01:29:43.060 I'll give you that bigger boat. 0.84

01:29:44.100 I'll give you that bigger house.

01:29:45.220 You just got to, you know, do what you're told to.

01:29:47.000 Well, I mean, there's a more—what if you're a young independent reporter and you get—you know, you have a donation thing on your site or whatever.

01:29:59.380 Do you look up everybody who's donated to your thing, you know?

01:30:03.720 That's why I quit taking donations because when they went after—they tried to link Ezra Levant to the Christ Church shooter.

01:30:10.360 Yeah, they did, yeah.

01:30:11.160 And so I was like, dude, you know, like, I've lost so much money because I was like, dude, I'm not taking donations now.

01:30:17.120 I can't take selfies with people because then they go, oh, a donor, Ezra Levant donor, shot up, right?

01:30:23.700 And I was like, oh, man, I can't take any money.

01:30:25.740 So maybe that's biasing me towards having some empathy for people who are, quote, unquote, connected to Epstein.

01:30:32.380 Well, sure. 1.00

01:30:32.920 My attitude for all that stuff is just, ha, ha, ha, go fuck yourself. 1.00

01:30:36.300 There was that guy in Texas, the shooter at the mall or whatever. 1.00

01:30:40.360 He had posted, I think, four screenshots of a single episode of TimCast IRL.

01:30:46.500 And then all of these leftists are like, oh, this guy was a fan of TimCast IRL.

01:30:50.880 I'm like, the screenshot show, he wasn't even subscribed to the channel.

01:30:54.100 And there were screenshots of one specific clip. 0.99

01:30:56.920 But my response to you is like, ha, ha, I don't give a shit. 1.00

01:30:59.540 Go fuck yourself. 1.00

01:31:00.160 Media Matters wrote up, Tim Pool laughs and says he literally could give no shits or whatever over this. 1.00

01:31:05.540 I'm like, dude, no matter what you do, like Donald Trump walks down the street and farts they're going to write a negative hit piece and say he gassed the innocent children or some nonsense bullshit. 0.99

01:31:14.320 So at this point I'm just like, we need to win the culture where we need to build culture. 0.93

01:31:17.820 We need to – it's something you said a long time ago actually.

01:31:21.380 It's brilliant.

01:31:22.160 Just be successful.

01:31:23.060 Take care of your family.

01:31:23.680 Make money.

01:31:24.240 Yeah.

01:31:24.540 And that really is the number one component in winning all of this.

01:31:28.180 Yep.

01:31:28.400 And being healthy and being happy.

01:31:29.500 Right.

01:31:29.740 Be healthy.

01:31:30.700 Make money.

01:31:31.660 Raise your family.

01:31:32.720 And if everybody of good moral virtue did this, it would be building a fortification around our values.

01:31:38.540 Yeah.

01:31:38.840 The media hit pieces – so one, again, virtue is modeled. 0.99

01:31:43.740 That's where a lot of people lose the plot because you ever think about too, like I grew up Christian and I love Christianity and I fucking hate Christians. 0.99

01:31:52.020 And people are like, why? 0.99

01:31:53.340 It's like because I grew up with you.

01:31:54.600 And anytime you post something, what's your favorite book?

01:31:56.880 The Bible is the only book you need to read.

01:31:58.180 It's like, dude, I've read the Bible a lot.

01:32:00.300 You don't – you know, you're not even trying to share the gospel.

01:32:05.620 It can also be – in this context, it can be rough to team up with them.

01:32:10.100 Yeah.

01:32:10.380 And I'm such a fan of – I'm so pro-Christian.

01:32:13.340 I just promote Christian messaging all the time.

01:32:16.440 And then you see these people.

01:32:17.880 And so the reason I bring that up and somebody's going to cut that clip, oh, Cernovich is working for Israel, hates Christians or whatever.

01:32:24.480 You don't want to be that person too, you know, because virtue is modeled in the same thing.

01:32:29.040 So if you're a Christian and you're the guy who everybody knows you're going to thump the Bible at, then nobody's going to want to model that behavior. 1.00

01:32:37.000 So if you're a dad or you're successful, whatever, you want to try to create a model that younger people especially can say, oh, okay, that's how you can live.

01:32:46.740 Or, you know, you can't live that way and that is why you want to show courage or a little bit of savvy or –

01:32:53.320 Discipline.

01:32:54.780 Discipline or like your Elon where you're showing people that you can just say no, right?

01:33:02.220 We live in all these weird social constructs where people think you can't say no.

01:33:09.840 It's like, no, actually you can just like say no.

01:33:12.440 You can just like have less money.

01:33:14.540 You can not have the watch.

01:33:15.860 You can not have the supercar.

01:33:17.380 You can still fund your kids 529 or whatever and you can just not have all of these things and then you realize you don't want them anyway.

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01:35:01.620 At the time, I had like 100K.

01:35:03.660 I was still waiting to get my silver and metal.

01:35:05.480 And I was thinking to myself, looking at that, like, how do you get to that point? 0.97

01:35:08.480 Like, how the fuck do you get a million?

01:35:10.380 I was like, I don't think I'll ever get a gold plaque or whatever. 0.97

01:35:13.220 Now I have three, and we use one to keep the window open because there's a window stopper.

01:35:18.240 And there's probably a lot of people who are like, that's so messed up, man.

01:35:21.180 I wish I could get to that point.

01:35:22.660 But I think one of the issues for me, one of the things I learned is...

01:35:26.860 You're told these things are great, these are accomplishments, and you want to know what that's like.

01:35:30.360 And then, for me at least, I get there and I'm like...

01:35:32.540 It actually wasn't all that...

01:35:34.300 What it was all cracked up to be.

01:35:36.360 And it was cool, but maybe it's only because I got it that I just don't care as much anymore.

01:35:40.060 The first one's cool, but like...

01:35:42.040 I mean, honestly, I still...

01:35:43.340 Like, the platinum plaque, I haven't actually hung up yet.

01:35:46.540 You know, like, when I got my first gold, it was cool.

01:35:49.420 You know, the second one, you're like, okay, but then, like, it's like...

01:35:52.580 They never sent me mine.

01:35:54.120 But Tony Robbins was talking about this recently on a podcast with Theo Vaughn,

01:35:58.400 and he talked about how you should set goals and you should celebrate them

01:36:01.740 in order to kind of mind-hack yourself in a positive way

01:36:04.240 so you're always kind of striving for something, working for something.

01:36:07.380 So I try to have as many victories as I can.

01:36:09.960 I always account for my gratitude.

01:36:11.860 I always try to feel my gratitude.

01:36:14.640 That's another thing that I kind of implemented as well,

01:36:16.920 to try to stay on my journey and to try to stay as principled as I can.

01:36:21.240 And, of course, you have to also look at your accomplishments,

01:36:23.660 and it can't just be, oh, some, you know, cars or boats.

01:36:27.800 It has to be the larger kind of meaningful things in life

01:36:30.700 that you really should be appreciating

01:36:33.340 because at the end of your life, a lot of people realize,

01:36:35.980 holy cow, this was amazing, this was great,

01:36:37.800 but I never really fully appreciated it at all.

01:36:40.160 So that's another aspect here.

01:36:41.440 I don't know if we should come back to the Epstein topic

01:36:43.420 because there's still a lot of documents that came out.

01:36:45.780 There's still a lot of revelations.

01:36:47.080 Or if we should continue this kind of larger train of consciousness

01:36:49.920 about the larger kind of spiritual aspects of this

01:36:52.860 because there's so many different pathways that we could go on

01:36:55.840 specifically dealing with this kind of insurmountable freaking evil

01:37:00.020 that hurts children. 0.63

01:37:01.200 Well, it's temptation.

01:37:01.480 I mean, it ties together because it's like temptation, right?

01:37:05.540 We're all—I watched this.

01:37:07.920 This is a good documentary on Netflix,

01:37:10.520 which we're not supposed to watch, but I still watch it.

01:37:14.920 You can torrent it.

01:37:15.940 On Woodstock 95 or the Woodstock 99 or whatever.

01:37:19.680 And you would remember this.

01:37:20.900 Dude, you're the exact guy that talked to you, right?

01:37:23.140 So as far as Me Too has gone and the overreaction,

01:37:27.220 when I watched that, I was, like, disgusted with how we were groomed. 1.00

01:37:31.880 Show me your tits. 1.00

01:37:33.860 You know, oh, she's drunk. 1.00

01:37:36.080 Show your tits. 1.00

01:37:36.960 Girl's gone wild. 1.00

01:37:38.460 Let's blast some drunk. 1.00

01:37:40.360 And you're like, what the fuck? 0.99

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01:37:44.680 on the body surfing, getting groped and everything. 0.75

01:37:47.760 And I realized we really were just a disgusting culture. 0.95

01:37:51.660 It is— 0.92

01:37:52.320 No, I mean, look at Instagram right now.

01:37:54.040 Yeah.

01:37:54.540 It is—I don't know how children are a lot on that app.

01:37:57.140 But the stuff that—I mean, I've been, you know, playing live shows for 20 years,

01:38:02.460 you know, and so—and I have seen, you know, the stuff that you're talking about.

01:38:05.800 I've seen it, like, go from something that you see to something that is extremely rare.

01:38:12.500 Like, you don't see that nowadays, definitely.

01:38:14.860 You don't see people, you know, throw—if people are—

01:38:18.640 you can still hear about people being attacked in the crowd.

01:38:21.100 That'll happen once in a while.

01:38:22.200 But I think that it happens less now than it did 20 years ago.

01:38:25.200 But when you're just talking about people exposing themselves and stuff like that,

01:38:28.140 that kind of stuff doesn't happen.

01:38:30.120 And it was definitely looked at as normal, you know, and something that wasn't odd.

01:38:36.780 No, it was—so that's where it leads to Epstein and Sin and Temptation

01:38:41.320 because I didn't—because we talk about kids being groomed.

01:38:44.160 Yeah.

01:38:44.460 And I'm like, no, no, we were all groomed where if you were out drunk at college, 0.62

01:38:49.340 a college bar, oh, you should realize she's a drunk chick. 1.00

01:38:53.120 Why are you telling her to show her tits, dude? 1.00

01:38:55.220 Because that's what everybody—everybody thought it was funny. 1.00

01:38:57.580 And you realize—and you look back and you're like, we were fucking groomed. 0.93

01:39:00.840 We were groomed into thinking that was, like, normal behavior for people. 0.96

01:39:05.220 That that was ordinary—not only ordinary, but that was, like, cool.

01:39:08.840 Right?

01:39:09.200 Oh, let's go to Mardi Gras.

01:39:10.220 Everybody's going to get drunk.

01:39:11.100 Everybody's doing these things.

01:39:13.000 And then—and that also goes to Tim's point where, oh, I wanted the YouTube—

01:39:19.000 I wanted a million subscribers, but now that I have it, it's not cool.

01:39:22.260 And then you're like, well, yeah, but if you didn't have it, would you still want it?

01:39:25.600 You know?

01:39:26.100 So it's like your filter resets.

01:39:29.400 So for me, if you had looked at me when I was 19 and said, I can't—this is repulsive. 0.99

01:39:33.960 I would have said, oh, you weirdo Christian. 1.00

01:39:36.080 And now when I look back, I'm like, that's so gross. 0.98

01:39:38.260 Well, I mean, look at movies like Animal House.

01:39:40.000 Let me clarify that.

01:39:41.800 The gold award on YouTube is not the last award.

01:39:44.660 It's like the ruby—the ruby 50 million, which, of course, no one ever—like, very few people will ever get to.

01:39:49.640 But there's the diamond 10 million.

01:39:51.400 Once—you know, I got the silver award, and I was like, wow, this feels really good.

01:39:54.880 Like, I'm doing something.

01:39:55.440 Once I got a million, I was like, I don't care about the diamond.

01:39:58.460 I don't care about the ruby.

01:39:59.440 These awards have done nothing for me.

01:40:01.400 You know, I don't care about the fancy clothes.

01:40:03.220 I don't care about fancy shoes.

01:40:04.820 None of that ever actually ended up mattering.

01:40:06.780 The thing—so at least as far as my experience goes, when you get the kind of accolades like gold or platinum records,

01:40:14.920 those are cool because that's people actually deciding to give you the money.

01:40:18.140 The things that I really just kind of, like, blow off are, like, Grammys and, like, those—

01:40:23.460 Right.

01:40:23.560 Because they're all insider.

01:40:25.240 It's all people in the business selecting who they're friends with.

01:40:28.780 You know, it's like you'll hear tons of people nominated for Grammys, and you'll have never heard the music.

01:40:34.620 And they're all compromised, and they all have videotapes and incidences of them doing really awful, horrible things that they control them with.

01:40:42.980 I don't know 100% about all of them, but when it comes to the ones that get nominated, like, it's always people, you know, it's always people inside the business.

01:40:51.940 Whereas when it comes to, you know, whether it be the play buttons on YouTube or gold records or platinum records or whatever, in my case, like, it's stuff that people decided that they're going to—

01:41:01.940 You know, voting with your dollars and stuff like that.

01:41:03.660 That kind of, I guess, memorabilia stuff matters to me because of it.

01:41:10.700 Yeah, and that—so, yeah, there's the idea of there's the icon and then what the icon represents, and then the way they hijack our brain is they try to groom us into always chasing the icon.

01:41:24.560 Yeah.

01:41:24.700 Because then you can always have someone chasing another icon, and then that's how you lead people into sin and temptation, which also fundamentally leads people in moral cowardice because you're thinking, oh, if I stand up now, I'm going to not be able to chase these little icons.

01:41:39.800 And then you say, well, do you even—like, I've had conversations like this with people before where clearly they've never thought about it because they're around, like, a bunch of lackeys. 0.99

01:41:48.960 But I'm like, do you even, like, give a shit, you know? 0.99

01:41:52.260 Do you actually give a shit if you make another $10 million or $20 million? 1.00

01:41:56.920 Do you actually give a shit? 0.99

01:41:58.000 They're like, well—I was like, what are you going to do? 1.00

01:42:00.580 You're going to die, and your kids are going to fight over your money, or you're going to die, and you're going to have a foundation, and you're going to end up like the Rockefellers, and shit libs are going to take over your foundation. 1.00

01:42:10.780 I've been following a few of these Instagram accounts. 0.99

01:42:13.180 They do urban exploration.

01:42:14.480 It is wild when they're like, we found an abandoned mansion.

01:42:19.360 They go inside.

01:42:20.680 Everything is as it was, as if one day time stopped.

01:42:23.860 A chair will be knocked over.

01:42:25.240 They're showing, like, all of these perfect little, like, teacups in the china set.

01:42:29.220 They go downstairs.

01:42:30.080 There's fancy cars.

01:42:31.980 The guy who owned it died.

01:42:33.420 That was the end of it.

01:42:34.700 He has kids. 0.97

01:42:35.840 The kids moved off when they were in their late teens, early 20s, went to college, built their own lives, literally don't give a shit about what was left behind for them. 0.55

01:42:43.460 So, I've gone to look at houses, and I'm sure many people who are, like, in the market may have experienced this. 0.52

01:42:48.680 I went and looked at one house in Maryland several years ago.

01:42:50.900 This was, like, eight years ago.

01:42:52.000 And it was, like, frozen in time.

01:42:53.660 And they said, elderly couple died.

01:42:56.080 Their kids don't care and don't want it. 1.00

01:42:57.280 They just want to sell it.

01:42:57.940 Yep.

01:42:58.280 Time frozen.

01:42:59.220 Now, if you're someone who doesn't even have kids, it's wild to watch these videos to see this $5 million mansion, the pool, everything just, like, it never mattered in the first place.

01:43:08.240 And then the government takes it, and that's why I think.

01:43:10.320 No, but that's the crazy thing is that often in these circumstances, it's just done.

01:43:15.160 The net worth of the building, millions of dollars, you could sell it.

01:43:18.080 You could go on the market right now and say, who wants an investment?

01:43:20.160 Somebody with the capital could say, I need a place to store my money.

01:43:23.120 But this person who owns it dies, and then that value is just instantly wiped out.

01:43:28.160 No one cares anymore.

01:43:29.420 The cars are frozen in time.

01:43:31.220 Everything that was, TVs are still there.

01:43:32.980 Computers are there. 0.98

01:43:33.500 And no one gives a shit. 0.98

01:43:35.640 People might go and smash windows out because they're bored. 0.98

01:43:38.640 But when that person's alive, they have all of this wealth and mean.

01:43:42.340 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:42.640 Then they die, and even the homeless don't give a shit about it. 0.96

01:43:46.040 And they let their wealth control them because you're either, you know, because spiritually, you're either moving humanity forward or not. 0.99

01:43:53.280 Right?

01:43:53.660 That's why people like Mark Cuban can never understand Elon Musk. 0.97

01:43:56.520 Because Mark Cuban has every trinket, he's had every blowjob by every model, and every jet, and everything that you could think of. 0.65

01:44:03.720 But he doesn't have a spiritual center where you realize, okay, dude, like, I've had it. 0.95

01:44:08.440 You know, okay, you're going to get on a jet. 1.00

01:44:10.620 Woo, woo, whoopsy shit. 1.00

01:44:11.860 It doesn't matter. 1.00

01:44:12.740 But that, and that's what creates the cowardice.

01:44:15.440 And that's how the world will keep its hooks in you.

01:44:17.580 Whereas you can say, you know what?

01:44:18.660 I'm either elevating humanity forward, and you don't even have to be Christian necessarily to believe it.

01:44:22.540 And you can have a secular belief that actually human suffering is bad. 0.97

01:44:26.800 The Bolsheviks are evil. 0.97

01:44:28.560 We should stop the Bolsheviks. 0.99

01:44:30.400 We should do things to stop these people.

01:44:32.560 Because even if you don't believe in God, human suffering is bad.

01:44:35.260 Or like with child trafficking or what's happening at the border, you would just say, you don't have to have a religion.

01:44:41.320 Do you believe in human suffering, or do you want humans to flourish?

01:44:44.180 So you want to create a world where they flourish.

01:44:46.360 And then you got these guys, and they're rich, but they can't make that connection.

01:44:51.220 So those, I'm glad that you're not, I'm not the only one who's watching those urban explorers because they're so interesting.

01:44:57.860 And then the black mold and everything you got to worry about.

01:45:00.640 But yeah, you do watch that and you realize that guy, he built himself a big prison.

01:45:05.660 But the biggest prison was his mental prison, the prison of his mind, where you know that that guy said, oh, I don't want to do this because I might lose my money.

01:45:14.500 And then you realize you sat in your nice little prison.

01:45:17.000 You died.

01:45:17.480 Nobody cares that you ever lived or died.

01:45:18.900 I had an extremely high-ranking member of the military that was retired tell me the same exact thing, saying the biggest prison is the one that you have inside of your own mind.

01:45:27.540 And I think that statement is very profound because it just shows you how everyone does this to themselves.

01:45:35.040 And essentially it's a choice that a lot of people have that they have to make individually within themselves that no one really tells them where is going to be your path.

01:45:44.360 Where are you going to be going in life?

01:45:46.300 Are you going to be building, progressing, or you're going to have short-term dopamine pleasure centers, releases that essentially don't amount to anything and make you absolutely miserable.

01:45:54.680 That's how we should reframe this larger kind of ideology because I think that's the ideology between good and evil.

01:46:00.080 I don't think anybody actually wants a big house.

01:46:02.340 Let me clarify, though.

01:46:03.680 Somebody who's got five kids probably wants a big house. 1.00

01:46:06.480 But that makes sense.

01:46:07.900 I don't think any individual actually thinks to themselves, I, as a singular human being, could use 10,000 square feet.

01:46:15.580 Because trust me, you can't.

01:46:16.960 It's just not possible.

01:46:18.080 A big house makes sense if you've got a big family.

01:46:19.460 A big house makes sense if you're actually going to be hosting events and the space is used for something.

01:46:24.480 But when I see these, you know, celebrity buys $30 million mansion, I'm like, is he just storing his money somewhere?

01:46:31.340 Because that house is going to start falling apart.

01:46:33.360 He's going to have to hire people to clean it, to maintain it.

01:46:35.580 And if nobody's there, it just turns into dust.

01:46:38.980 It turns into garbage.

01:46:41.100 No person, I mean, maybe you've got a room for your pool table.

01:46:44.860 Maybe you've got a room for your poker table.

01:46:46.280 But even then, you can put all these things in 500 square feet.

01:46:51.560 Maybe 1,800 square feet.

01:46:53.500 But, yeah.

01:46:54.640 I mean, like your game room is.

01:46:55.680 No, no, I'm kidding.

01:46:56.760 No, no, I'm kidding.

01:46:57.380 But there's, I 100% agree with you.

01:46:59.440 I've been in these mansions before.

01:47:01.200 I'm sure you have.

01:47:02.620 And they're spooky almost.

01:47:04.760 I was talking to one guy.

01:47:05.680 I said, man, there's too many places a ghost could hide.

01:47:08.960 Indefensible.

01:47:09.520 Yeah.

01:47:10.140 How do you, let's say you eventually buy yourself a 10,000 square foot house.

01:47:14.980 You know, you spend a million bucks or something.

01:47:16.880 Or if you're in New York, I mean, we're talking 5, 10 million.

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01:48:48.220 How are you going to defend your home, your family?

01:48:49.920 How are you going to defend your stuff?

01:48:50.760 One day someone breaks in and you're like, I have no point from which they, how did they break in?

01:48:54.040 There's too many entrances.

01:48:54.780 There's too many exits.

01:48:55.380 I just think, you know, for me, the only thing that ever really makes sense in terms of expanding your property and where you live is how many of your family members are going to live there with you.

01:49:08.280 And if it's not that, what do you need?

01:49:10.540 A one bedroom?

01:49:11.740 But it's nice to have a lawn.

01:49:12.940 It's nice to have space to breathe fresh air.

01:49:14.280 I know what I'm saying.

01:49:14.580 I don't like cities living in that way.

01:49:16.820 But you see a lot of people, it's wild to me.

01:49:21.120 You have industries built on how to get rich.

01:49:25.340 People who get rich, by telling you, by paying them, you can be rich too.

01:49:29.360 And I'm just like, everybody is chasing after that.

01:49:31.360 I can respect it to a certain degree, but there's nothing there in it.

01:49:34.680 I mean, unless you want to get rich because you've got big plans.

01:49:37.480 And I even think that's the wrong method.

01:49:39.900 Most, the story goes that most people who are successful are successful not because they wanted to be rich, but because they had a mission that they were driven towards.

01:49:46.740 And there are a lot of people whose mission was to get rich.

01:49:49.080 They want to play the numbers.

01:49:50.080 They want to win the money.

01:49:50.860 They stock market, whatever.

01:49:52.260 But I find most people, and correct me if I'm wrong, most people who are wealthy got wealthy.

01:49:57.740 Most people who've gotten wealthy have gotten there because they're on a mission to do something.

01:50:02.620 There's both.

01:50:03.660 The big house thing, though, I'm glad you brought that up because, I mean, you want to talk about a path to unhappiness.

01:50:12.260 And that's why these guys go broke.

01:50:13.740 They buy the big houses because you buy the house $10 million, okay?

01:50:17.100 We've got property taxes on that.

01:50:18.660 In California, property taxes are pretty significant.

01:50:21.300 Property theft.

01:50:22.280 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:22.820 So you have those.

01:50:23.840 But then, like you said, you're never alone because then you have to hire a staff, people to watch the staff, a chief of staff to oversee all the staff.

01:50:33.580 So the funny thing, too, is so you fight so hard to make money, and then you've got to hire people to not steal your money.

01:50:39.360 And then you've got to hope the people you hire to not steal your money doesn't steal the money.

01:50:42.800 And then you're worried about that.

01:50:44.000 So it becomes this whole rat race, but that's how the matrix, the social, I've always called it a social construct, but most people don't really know what that means.

01:50:53.060 But, you know, matrix, social construct, the make-believe world, right?

01:50:57.060 The make-believe world is, like, if you like a supercar, great.

01:51:01.240 I actually had a car.

01:51:02.540 I was tricked out.

01:51:03.160 It was a lot of fun.

01:51:03.960 I drove it.

01:51:04.660 So I'm not pretending I'm above it.

01:51:06.980 I don't have anything like that now.

01:51:09.080 But if you like it, it's great.

01:51:10.880 But if you like the validation of a car more than a car, you're in the matrix, you're in the social construct, right?

01:51:17.920 If you need, like, I started calling watches, like, Pokemon cards.

01:51:21.340 Like, oh, show me your Pokemon card.

01:51:23.080 I got my Pokemon card collection.

01:51:25.180 Oh, look at this.

01:51:25.980 I got this AP from this guy wore at this concert.

01:51:29.720 And you realize, oh, there's, like, a card collection, but you're in the social construct.

01:51:34.080 And the big house really is, and a lot of that's largely driven by wives, unfortunately, because they fall into that. 1.00

01:51:44.540 The real estate industry propagandizes people.

01:51:46.600 Oh, your property's an investment.

01:51:47.780 It's going to go up.

01:51:48.660 Because they act like you can't put your money anywhere else.

01:51:50.760 You can only put it in property.

01:51:52.040 You can't put it in the real estate thing.

01:51:54.060 But that, again, leads back to Epstein because if you look at Epstein, I think of Epstein as less as,

01:52:00.600 even though it was blackmail and all that stuff has been covered up, but it's like the temptation.

01:52:07.820 He's this, like, demon figure.

01:52:09.820 So if you're making a movie, Devil's Advocate with Al Pacino was good.

01:52:13.280 So if you're making a movie, you've got to realize he's the demon, and he's thinking, well, how can I get you?

01:52:19.920 Right?

01:52:20.080 Okay, so maybe you're not into women.

01:52:23.100 Maybe you're into power.

01:52:24.980 Or men.

01:52:26.380 Maybe you're into men.

01:52:27.340 Or maybe you're into, maybe you want to, my friends in media can write good articles about you.

01:52:31.460 And then you can have a better Wikipedia entry.

01:52:33.880 And then the person's like, oh, you know, maybe that works.

01:52:37.440 So I see him as a human stand-in for demonic temptation. 0.74

01:52:44.120 So if I were, you know, there's a movie on him called, you know, Jeffrey Epstein's Riches, I would just call it,

01:52:50.540 because I like movies with one name, I'd call it Temptation.

01:52:53.660 Yeah.

01:52:54.020 And it would be the story of Epstein and less about the blackmail and more about how he ensnared all these people in his world

01:53:01.520 because people were chasing, you know, chasing these desires.

01:53:05.080 And then that's how they get trapped in his little web.

01:53:07.420 Very similar to what Harvey Weinstein did, specifically giving a lot of people movie roles,

01:53:12.100 specifically getting a lot of movies done and paid for.

01:53:15.180 So you're not wrong, especially when you look at the modeling industry, the Jean-Luc Bernier,

01:53:21.480 the Les Wexners here, who also played a very important role going to a lot of these young women,

01:53:26.420 being like, we can make you a top model, but you've got to do this and this and this for us.

01:53:31.540 And that's on the micro level of what happened here, what happened with the prime minister of Israel,

01:53:36.100 what happened with U.S. presidents, that's another level.

01:53:38.540 Well, I mean, the big level is men are horny. 0.79

01:53:40.940 You know, like that's, like, you know, you're not supposed to talk crudely like this or you're not serious.

01:53:45.760 But, like, the number one problem is men are horny, right?

01:53:50.500 So then if you're a man, you have to find some kind of way to not let that completely destroy your life.

01:53:56.700 We wouldn't be here if we weren't horny. 1.00

01:53:58.140 Yeah, yeah, right.

01:53:58.840 And men's horniness brought us to where we are right now.

01:54:01.060 Right, right.

01:54:01.640 So, yeah, we can say where we evolved that way.

01:54:04.160 But if you're just on, like, the micro level and you're trying to figure out how to stay out of trouble, right?

01:54:11.680 Well, men are horny. 1.00

01:54:12.960 That's going to be the thing that's going to get you caught up.

01:54:17.340 Or if you're at a higher level, that's how people are going to ensnare you. 0.91

01:54:19.820 Because the good news is that if you're a man, you're horny.

01:54:22.700 It's actually kind of hard to get laid unless you're famous or have something going for you.

01:54:27.260 So that usually is enough of a protective barrier to prevent sex and ruining your life.

01:54:33.160 But then if you're at these levels, these other guys, you're going to have people that are going to, oh, why don't you come over to my house and everything's on the up and up.

01:54:40.340 And frankly.

01:54:41.460 And then you're Julian Assange in solitary confinement and jail forever.

01:54:44.960 That's true.

01:54:45.400 When they want to stop you, they'll come after you and they'll use that and they'll lie about you even.

01:54:48.580 But as you mentioned before, like, where's Bill Clinton supposed to go?

01:54:50.840 Right.

01:54:51.260 He goes to a private island because if he shows up to a brothel or he's in Nevada or whatever, people are going to be like, hey, look, it's Bill Clinton.

01:54:56.120 Or if he has a girlfriend, she wants to blow his life up. 1.00

01:55:01.340 So it's very.

01:55:02.160 Oh, yeah.

01:55:04.200 Again, which is why the why sometimes I'm called controlled opposition, because I've just been exposed to enough people who are so-called pulling the strings.

01:55:14.760 I'm like, oh, no, no, no.

01:55:15.920 Who's ever who's ever pulling the strings?

01:55:18.100 It's not these guys.

01:55:19.140 It's not the people that we're allowed to talk about.

01:55:20.860 And even the Jeffrey Epstein case is kind of limited hangout-ish in some ways where if you listen to Theo Vaughn or Joe Rogan or Eric Weinstein and everybody, none of them are talking about why wasn't he charged under the Mann Act?

01:55:34.480 No, I'm the only one who's ever talked about that.

01:55:36.940 And if people start talking about it, it'll be because of me.

01:55:39.140 And then like they always do, they'll pretend like they didn't hear it from me.

01:55:41.600 And then we'll talk about it because I'm Voldemort and you can't say my name, right?

01:55:44.580 So the limited hangout aspect of Epstein is you're allowed to go, hmm, is he Mossad?

01:55:50.600 Maybe.

01:55:51.220 Well, maybe he's CIA.

01:55:52.800 Maybe he's this.

01:55:54.040 But who did he really work for?

01:55:55.540 Whoever he's working for is a level above that that we don't know.

01:55:59.980 Absolutely.

01:56:01.280 100% correct.

01:56:03.380 Nail on the head there.

01:56:04.720 And there's a bigger power structure here.

01:56:07.680 It's not Epstein masterminding everything.

01:56:10.260 He essentially was a middle person for someone else.

01:56:13.000 And that's scary and that's terrifying.

01:56:15.920 Maybe a lower person for someone else.

01:56:18.020 You know, like the scarier element too is he could be a low-level guy in whatever is going on.

01:56:24.020 Well, I believe it's literally demon.

01:56:25.240 Like, I mean, just I don't care.

01:56:26.780 I just, I literally believe it's demons.

01:56:29.040 Demon possession.

01:56:29.680 Yeah, I know.

01:56:30.060 I just believe that there is an evil force that some people are able to access or that are in league with.

01:56:37.280 And that, but that's at the super, supra, what is it, level of?

01:56:42.940 No, no, they open themselves up to possession and they literally get possessed by these interdimensional species and beings.

01:56:49.900 And then they become.

01:56:50.980 Well, now we're getting it.

01:56:51.880 No, no.

01:56:52.360 I mean, Mike, you're absolutely, you're right.

01:56:55.240 You're absolutely, this is another level here.

01:56:58.680 I don't know how deep we want to go here.

01:57:00.200 I feel like.

01:57:01.260 But you're absolutely right.

01:57:02.260 But figuratively or literally, it does feel like people are possessed sometimes.

01:57:06.800 Yeah, whether or not you're dealing with actual metaphysics or actual spirituality or whether you're dealing with just, you know, the way that people behave and the way that we interpret it.

01:57:17.680 There are definitely people that are open to those kind of temptations.

01:57:21.760 There are definitely people that are possessed by those kind of desires and it definitely affects the way they act.

01:57:29.500 Where it comes from is not really.

01:57:31.160 You mentioned, Mike, that, you know, it's demonic, right?

01:57:33.780 Epstein is demonic, but not the devil.

01:57:36.780 And I'll explain because the scarier thing to me than, say, like Epstein and this cabal is the banality of evil.

01:57:44.720 And it's something I've mentioned quite a few times, but I like saying it.

01:57:47.880 And it's that the deal with the devil was never going to be he's giving you a nice sports car, a supercar.

01:57:54.700 The deal with the devil was never the devil will give you a big house.

01:57:57.340 The deal with the devil was he will keep your children fed.

01:57:59.860 The things that truly tempt a man are not you want the big house.

01:58:04.860 Sure.

01:58:05.300 Some people can be tempted by these things, but the overwhelming majority of people who will engage in an evil act to do so because it is more of a necessity than a luxury.

01:58:13.600 The devil will approach you when your children is starving, saying, Daddy, please, I'm hungry.

01:58:17.200 And you have tears in your eyes.

01:58:18.400 And he says, I can make it all go away.

01:58:20.520 I will give your child a fresh loaf of bread every week.

01:58:23.020 All you have to do is do the evil deeds I command.

01:58:25.820 And then they say, I will do anything you say.

01:58:28.220 That's that's what terrifies me.

01:58:29.540 I suppose when someone's in need is when they're the most vulnerable.

01:58:33.320 Absolutely.

01:58:33.880 And that's when the deal with the devil, figuratively or literally, will appear at your doorstep.

01:58:38.140 But there's still a certain level of baseline morality, though, that some people have.

01:58:49.060 And then you look at because there's a lot of truth to that.

01:58:53.100 And then there's also a lot of truth to there is kind of like a hierarchy.

01:58:58.140 So then you get the chicken and egg problem.

01:58:59.740 Right.

01:59:00.460 So is it that Epstein promoted people or is it that people it's the age old question is like,

01:59:07.860 why are there so many pedophiles in the high places? 0.69

01:59:10.560 Is it because the the thing knows that that's pure evil?

01:59:16.300 So that's what you want to promote.

01:59:17.860 Or is it that that's an easy person to blackmail?

01:59:20.420 Or is it that there's something inherently in a person that leads that would lead them to do to harm a child?

01:59:27.520 That means they have no morality.

01:59:28.940 And if you want to succeed in politics, that it's better to start off with no morality.

01:59:32.760 Or is it just being in a position of power?

01:59:34.440 It corrupts you so much.

01:59:36.120 Why would the devil need to do a deal with someone who's already evil?

01:59:39.560 Someone who already wants to do evil things and is facilitating evil.

01:59:42.660 There's no deal to be made.

01:59:43.640 It's they're hanging out.

01:59:44.420 It's like you said, you don't need to blackmail them.

01:59:46.080 They want to do it.

01:59:47.320 Right.

01:59:47.520 But you would put you would you would put that person in a position of hierarchical order.

01:59:51.960 Yeah.

01:59:52.180 Where they could do more.

01:59:52.900 Right.

01:59:53.120 So it isn't.

01:59:54.240 Yeah.

01:59:54.360 It isn't the devil's like, oh, sell your soul for a rock contract.

01:59:57.240 But yeah, obviously, it's more like the devil saying, I've seen the work you've done.

02:00:01.240 Would you want to come work?

02:00:01.820 Right.

02:00:02.140 Right.

02:00:02.320 Right.

02:00:02.560 Whereas it is the actual what worries me is when we hear about, you know, law enforcement

02:00:07.840 facilitating the illegal immigration on the border.

02:00:09.380 When we see the police, what really got me is when Owen Schroer is going to prison and

02:00:13.980 he said the prison guards were like, hey, look, man, I'm a fan of your work and everything,

02:00:17.520 but I'm just doing my job.

02:00:18.700 That's the deal with the devil.

02:00:19.920 Because, look, I know it's not easy.

02:00:22.400 You're like, I got to feed my family.

02:00:23.800 I have to do this evil thing to feed my family.

02:00:25.880 Anyway, and that is the very serious challenge of how we overcome evil is, I don't think

02:00:32.140 there's a good answer for it.

02:00:33.180 What father would not sacrifice himself to save his kids?

02:00:36.380 And not only in that context, because he's saving his kids, he's not going to think it's

02:00:41.660 evil.

02:00:42.100 He's thinking he's saving his kids.

02:00:43.460 He might even say, I mean, look, honest question.

02:00:45.780 How many, like Mike, how many fathers do you think would willfully engage in an evil act

02:00:51.360 to save their kids?

02:00:53.820 Depends on your definition of evil and the degrees of evil.

02:00:57.600 Like a net detriment to society for a benefit for their children.

02:01:02.340 So, I mean, most would make moral, I would consider it more of a moral compromise.

02:01:06.780 So I guess it depends on whether you view a moral compromise or a step down the slippery

02:01:13.560 slope as being evil.

02:01:14.620 But that would be most people who live, you know, live in a world.

02:01:18.200 So that's the banality of it, right?

02:01:19.740 This police officer who is knowing that Owen Schroer is being wrongfully prosecuted and

02:01:25.640 unjustly imprisoned saying, look, all I did was bring him from the car to the cell.

02:01:30.940 I didn't, I didn't even do that much, but that's the snowflake.

02:01:34.040 You know, no snowflake blames itself for the avalanche.

02:01:36.580 Yeah.

02:01:37.520 The flip side though, is if, if everybody resisted, then you would, you would have a state of chaos.

02:01:42.760 I don't think so.

02:01:43.880 So that's, that's, it's a really hard.

02:01:45.480 Well, the, the idea is like, well, if the feds kicked down my door, like I'm going to

02:01:49.960 cooperate, even though I'm cooperating with evil, you know, like when Owen Schroer went

02:01:55.040 with them, he's cooperating with evil because he's participating in a demonic system.

02:02:00.200 I don't see it the same way.

02:02:01.320 I mean, look, he's being victimized and he's, he's strategically navigating the system in

02:02:06.060 a positive way that resulted in him being released and being able to carry on his work.

02:02:09.280 That's what the guard will say.

02:02:10.140 The guard will say, you know what?

02:02:11.020 I can make sure nothing happens to Owen.

02:02:13.160 Owen's going to come in.

02:02:13.940 He's going to have a clean experience.

02:02:15.500 We're going to make sure everything's on the up and up.

02:02:17.460 And sure enough, Owen's out of prison and he wasn't beaten up or anything, you know?

02:02:20.960 Except Owen being the victim is not facilitating the evil.

02:02:23.860 He's the victim of it.

02:02:24.580 And the police officer could simply say, Hey boss, you got, you got to get someone else

02:02:27.680 for this.

02:02:28.140 I'm not the guy.

02:02:29.220 They, but you're always going to, in the narrative that you construct about evil, we're always going

02:02:34.140 to construct a narrative where the victim of the system and that we're never cooperating

02:02:37.580 with the system or that whenever the perpetrators of the system.

02:02:41.000 I agree.

02:02:41.760 And a lot of people will say that.

02:02:42.900 Yes.

02:02:43.200 Yeah.

02:02:43.360 And we're caught up with this like endless cycle.

02:02:45.340 So for, so for example, like we know human trafficking exists.

02:02:48.220 We know there's like slavery.

02:02:49.000 Okay.

02:02:49.840 So I want to go out to eat.

02:02:52.220 Can I go out to eat at a restaurant or if I go to a Thai restaurant, we know that there's

02:02:57.620 human trafficking.

02:02:58.220 Can I be like, Oh, I can't come here because I don't know if this owner is the real owner

02:03:02.640 or if they're a front for some like mafia organization.

02:03:06.360 And I, am I, you see the brain can just spiral out of control because we're all participating

02:03:10.980 in cycles of trauma and nearly like almost everything we do, like try to eat, but try

02:03:16.500 to eat the food that's not the product of evil.

02:03:18.340 I completely agree.

02:03:19.180 I had this conversation with an activist in Ukraine years ago at the start of what now

02:03:22.900 became their, their war.

02:03:24.640 And I made the point that you're, you're not an, I said, you're an activist for your country

02:03:29.820 to better your country.

02:03:30.600 And I can respect that.

02:03:31.600 And she said, no, I'm trying to make the world a better place.

02:03:33.520 And I said, well, you're certainly not.

02:03:34.600 You're using an, you got an Apple computer.

02:03:36.400 I mean, these people are marching off the building and committing suicide.

02:03:38.740 What you're doing is you're utilizing the resources that you have available to the

02:03:41.280 best of your abilities to better your country.

02:03:42.660 And that's respectable, but there's a net detriment to what you do as well.

02:03:46.260 And as being said, my point more so is the prison guard who told Owen that he knew,

02:03:51.240 I know who you are.

02:03:52.520 I like your work.

02:03:53.580 This is a person who knows that what they're doing is wrong, but would prefer to do the wrong

02:03:57.300 thing for their personal benefit.

02:03:58.620 But then not even in some of these circumstances, and again, I'm not, I'm not arguing to make

02:04:03.660 it black and white where everyone just abandons their post.

02:04:05.840 I'm saying at a certain point, it's as easy enough for this guard to say, Hey boss, I know

02:04:11.740 this guy.

02:04:12.400 It's I, I, about, you shouldn't put me in this position, man.

02:04:14.820 I can't do it.

02:04:15.820 Just ask, ask someone else.

02:04:17.500 So you want somebody that doesn't like him to put them in there?

02:04:19.760 Yes.

02:04:20.520 Okay.

02:04:20.980 Well, I honestly, I think if, if it came to the point where everyone said, like during

02:04:29.120 nullification, what you are trying to do is wrong.

02:04:31.940 We agree on the moral framework of what is happening.

02:04:34.240 We will not facilitate it.

02:04:35.540 The system is, is it stops.

02:04:37.900 Yeah.

02:04:38.040 But they, they're okay.

02:04:39.200 So there, there's two answers. 1.00

02:04:41.300 So one is if I'm the guard and they're, I'm going to say, Oh, and this is the stupid 1.00

02:04:45.700 thing. 0.99

02:04:46.460 I'm going to look out for you.

02:04:47.940 Avoid that guy. 0.89

02:04:48.700 Avoid that guy. 0.89

02:04:49.260 Don't talk to me too much because in the other prisons, I think you're a snitch.

02:04:52.340 Here's some cigarettes.

02:04:53.480 Yeah.

02:04:53.780 Yeah.

02:04:53.920 Yeah.

02:04:54.080 I'm so I would, if you're the guard, not only do you not see yourself as evil, you see

02:04:59.960 yourself as boy, you're lucky you got me and you didn't get this guy down the street.

02:05:04.260 And then when you talk about jury nullification, I agree in principle on jury nullification except we're

02:05:11.000 having it now.

02:05:11.800 We're having a jury, for example, at the LeBron James school, these two teens, of course,

02:05:17.240 they're called teens, stomped a guy's chest, killed them.

02:05:20.500 There was a white kid was running around shooting squirt guns at people. 0.97

02:05:23.560 Pretty annoying. 0.97

02:05:24.420 But you don't stop a guy in the chest and just beat him down brutally.

02:05:27.880 They killed them. 0.93

02:05:29.260 The prosecutor wanted you to murder.

02:05:31.380 The grand jury nullified and said, no, it can't be murder.

02:05:33.940 It's going to be maybe involuntary manslaughter or something.

02:05:37.620 So they don't get the murder indictment.

02:05:39.400 And then the jury says, no, it wasn't involuntary manslaughter.

02:05:43.560 Even though the guy died, it was actually aggravated battery.

02:05:46.060 But we'll just give him that.

02:05:47.280 And then now the guys who brutally murdered him, it was brutal, like to physically.

02:05:51.660 I mean, you're sure you guys, everybody here goes to the gym.

02:05:54.060 You know what kind of physical force it would take to to kill an 18 year old healthy kid.

02:05:58.720 Right. 0.65

02:05:58.920 You wouldn't do it.

02:05:59.640 Especially stomping him out.

02:06:01.000 You wouldn't know. 0.98

02:06:01.640 Like, OK, that's a demon.

02:06:03.340 Well, they're going to do less than two years in prison by the judge.

02:06:05.580 But so.

02:06:06.120 So here's the issue.

02:06:06.800 And they would say, we're good.

02:06:07.720 You're the evil ones.

02:06:08.920 Right.

02:06:09.380 And they're and they're evil with no moral framework.

02:06:11.920 Their moral framework is that we need power and anything we can do to get it.

02:06:15.320 And then the problem is the culture war right side says we'll play by the rules.

02:06:19.480 So on the right side, you have someone saying, yeah, Owen should not be in prison, but I'm

02:06:24.420 going to just do the job and it's going to happen.

02:06:26.360 What does the left do there?

02:06:28.260 I'll give you a much lighter example.

02:06:29.720 Actually, the guy with the Black Lives Matter face mask at Taco Bell, they said, take the mask

02:06:34.620 off or you're fired.

02:06:35.240 He said, fire me.

02:06:35.820 I dare you.

02:06:36.480 And they said, you're fired.

02:06:37.380 He posted a video online.

02:06:38.780 Taco Bell got slammed by the activists, rehired him and said, employees are now allowed to

02:06:42.460 wear now allowed to wear political masks on the right.

02:06:45.160 They go, OK, I'll take my mask off.

02:06:47.240 So long as the left is willing to say we will not be party to actions that are amoral to

02:06:52.940 our tribe.

02:06:53.720 They're going to keep having these victories.

02:06:55.160 That speaks to the kind of about like the personality types of people on the right and the left.

02:07:00.940 Right.

02:07:01.140 Like you did the the the the anecdote about, you know, a gate in the middle of nowhere.

02:07:07.960 It's like the person that goes in and opens the gate or whatever is the person that would

02:07:11.900 want to change things.

02:07:12.660 The person that would leave the gate alone closed is the person that would want to leave

02:07:15.960 it alone.

02:07:16.260 And you see that on the right and left.

02:07:17.920 So the people on the left are the people that are like motivated to make noise, whereas

02:07:22.360 people on the right are generally more like, oh, well, you know, this is kind of the way

02:07:26.360 it is.

02:07:26.600 And we follow the right should do more.

02:07:28.340 The right should do more activism.

02:07:30.080 Yes.

02:07:31.200 Activism, I view, is differently from civil disobedience that leads into abdication of

02:07:38.680 cooperation with legal process.

02:07:41.040 So there's like a downstream thing.

02:07:42.780 So I don't want us to get to the place where the guard has to be in that morally compromising

02:07:49.440 position, even though if I actually could make the moral case for the guard, and I would

02:07:53.200 say that's actually it's good that the guard did that because he looked out for you and

02:07:56.740 you were caught up in a bad situation.

02:07:58.760 So we don't want them to quit because this happened.

02:08:01.320 Actually, I got so much hate for people when the vaccine mandates came and I said, well,

02:08:05.760 you know what?

02:08:07.460 I thank people who stay in the military and take the vaccine and who are in the FBI and take

02:08:11.800 the vaccine because the people who didn't, well, that was a purge. 0.98

02:08:15.240 So do you think the Biden administration gave a shit if a bunch of people left the military 0.98

02:08:20.300 or they, well, the military, they might care now with the Houthis and everything, but they 0.99

02:08:24.280 didn't then because that was like an involuntary purge.

02:08:27.800 So if we want our people doing activism, but we don't want them purging themselves from positions

02:08:34.980 of authority and positions of administration, because then it's just going to be, I disagree.

02:08:40.580 I disagree.

02:08:41.000 Everywhere.

02:08:41.580 I think if every one of these soldiers refused, the system breaks.

02:08:46.480 And if the system breaks it.

02:08:48.380 But everybody's not going to because.

02:08:50.480 Well, hold on, hold on.

02:08:51.580 If my argument is they should, it's not a question of they would.

02:08:55.240 My issue is I, I agree with you.

02:08:57.680 They won't and they should if every single prison guard, because law enforcement leans

02:09:02.620 more towards, you know, this direction politically, if six out of 10 were like, we will not be

02:09:10.180 in the facilitation of the imprisonment of Owen Schroyer.

02:09:13.620 The boss is going to go, guys, we're, if they don't work, we have no one to work.

02:09:17.620 What do we do?

02:09:18.600 The left strikes all the time.

02:09:21.100 They win power by, by refusing to do things that go outside of their tribe.

02:09:25.900 And the right makes the argument of, I should better, I better just go along with it.

02:09:29.620 I agree.

02:09:30.400 Most people won't.

02:09:32.100 They should.

02:09:33.280 Well, should, should and would, though, are always invariably tied in a collective action

02:09:36.600 problem.

02:09:36.860 We've got to build the culture.

02:09:37.960 We've got to build the culture and inspire people.

02:09:40.460 Don't should yourself.

02:09:41.680 People got to stand up for what is right and not take actions that they think violates

02:09:47.000 their, their deeper morality.

02:09:48.540 And the problem, one of the challenges that we face is the left doesn't have kids.

02:09:52.500 So why is it that this guy Taco Bell doesn't care, gets fired?

02:09:54.900 Nothing to pay for.

02:09:56.180 Why is the guy on the right will take the mask off in two seconds?

02:09:58.420 He'll take off the Trump shirt or the Trump hat.

02:09:59.880 He's got kids.

02:10:00.820 That's a challenge.

02:10:01.980 The bigger problems we have are upstream rather than downstream.

02:10:06.020 Downstream, we have good, we have a lot of good people.

02:10:08.440 Upstream, we had the problem.

02:10:10.800 If we had Trump for four years, he didn't actually hire people who liked him.

02:10:13.500 He hired people who didn't like them.

02:10:14.640 Oh, yeah.

02:10:14.880 And then he complained about it.

02:10:15.760 So when I, when I look at these issues, I'm much less, I have much more empathy and an

02:10:24.300 understanding of the, the, the guard who, again, I could see that you could make a moral

02:10:29.140 case for versus the upstream level of people.

02:10:31.700 So say, for example, you're on the left, right?

02:10:34.500 You lose your job in the Biden administration because you smoked crack or whatever.

02:10:40.520 There's a whole safety net for you of NGO this, think tank that.

02:10:46.620 If you're on the right and you got marched out of the Trump administration, you're gone.

02:10:50.260 So there, there's even people like Kash Patel, brilliant guy.

02:10:54.060 And his whole thing is, okay, well, if Trump wins, I better have some money saved up because

02:10:58.140 I'm going to have to be prepared for what the regime brings at me.

02:11:01.400 So if you're on the right, you shouldn't have to think that way, but we, we have to think 0.97

02:11:06.060 that way because the right we don't, our class is shitty. 0.97

02:11:08.700 The coat, you know, all these people are shitty that we have upstream that, that are going 0.95

02:11:12.920 to put these people in, in these, these harder positions and make it hard to be morally 0.62

02:11:16.840 encouraged because it's like, uh, like I always tell these people when they, they lecture

02:11:21.260 other, everybody about, um, their religion and Christianity is like, well, you're not

02:11:24.920 a monk, dude.

02:11:25.920 You know, you're not a monk eating bread and water.

02:11:28.460 So, so we're, we've all, we all morally make a baseline level of the decision of like,

02:11:34.500 well, here's how I want to, here's how I want to live.

02:11:36.560 Here's what I want to think is good.

02:11:37.800 And here's what I want to think is evil.

02:11:38.780 So no, in terms of the right wing, not doing activism, I've always agreed with you on that.

02:11:42.660 I've, I've said the same thing myself many times, but then when our

02:11:46.820 people do it, they get pied pipered into January 6th, you know, like that's why I didn't go

02:11:52.040 to DC.

02:11:52.420 And I told people the day before, I was like, I, cause I got a lot of heat.

02:11:55.600 I was like, you know what?

02:11:56.240 Something feels off, dude.

02:11:57.560 I don't think people should go to this thing.

02:11:58.880 Right. 0.99

02:11:59.480 So then our people do activism and then they get pied pipered into some shit. 0.99

02:12:04.380 So if you're, if you're on the right, you, you not only have to be smarter than, than 0.99

02:12:10.100 the average bear, you have to be shrewder.

02:12:12.780 You have to know there's landmines everywhere.

02:12:14.240 It isn't like the left.

02:12:15.360 I agree.

02:12:15.600 A lot of people, they've, you know, when I've made points similar, they'll say things

02:12:18.700 like, yeah, but it's not fair.

02:12:19.740 The left gets to engage in violence and it doesn't matter if it's fair.

02:12:22.240 And I said, just because you're fighting a battle doesn't uphill, that doesn't mean you

02:12:26.540 use it.

02:12:26.880 Like, don't use the same tactics as the guy on the top of the hill.

02:12:29.580 You're fighting up.

02:12:30.320 You're at a disadvantage.

02:12:31.060 That's a reality.

02:12:31.880 And that's why I made that argument a lot.

02:12:33.500 I was like, there are these people who go online and advocate for violence.

02:12:36.380 They're like, it's the only way.

02:12:37.160 And I'm like, that's the fed.

02:12:38.420 That's the trick.

02:12:39.360 Especially today when we're looking at the polling we're seeing where even the youth vote is starting

02:12:43.460 to swing in several polls towards Trump, I'm like, the worst possible thing imaginable

02:12:47.220 is another J6 event or whatever to give them, give the machine exactly what they want.

02:12:52.280 Absolutely.

02:12:52.660 No, now it's like you were saying, make money, raise your family.

02:12:56.240 And then on top of that, I would say, overwhelm the system.

02:12:59.820 Think about what they did in 2020 with ballot harvesting and anything else you think they

02:13:03.140 might've done.

02:13:04.640 Counter it.

02:13:05.120 Then you win and steal the legitimacy through confidence.

02:13:09.760 Fighting's not going to get anything.

02:13:11.880 And then people are like, what happens in 2025?

02:13:13.480 I'm like, it's 2024.

02:13:15.400 We have an election in November.

02:13:16.780 Yeah.

02:13:17.000 We can talk about the rest later.

02:13:18.240 But right now the strategy is let's win through the institutions.

02:13:21.880 And I think we are winning.

02:13:23.000 And resist the baiting of them trying to entrap and trying to push people towards violence

02:13:27.900 because I think that's going to be a big theme.

02:13:29.760 Oh yeah.

02:13:30.120 That's so important.

02:13:31.460 That is so important.

02:13:32.740 Violence is not the way.

02:13:33.760 The government mastered this tool of violence and they have used it in such a way that there's

02:13:40.240 no competing with it, especially when it comes to the aspects of even defending yourself, 0.98

02:13:46.160 which is absolutely crazy and ridiculous. 0.99

02:13:47.240 Did you read that story about that Blacks for Trump guy in Florida? 0.99

02:13:50.660 Yeah.

02:13:50.940 Yes.

02:13:51.360 Yeah.

02:13:52.300 The situation that was set up was plainclothes feds threatened a guy with a gun.

02:13:59.600 He did not know who they were.

02:14:01.780 And he's a, was he a Marine, right?

02:14:03.060 Yeah.

02:14:03.620 Combat vet had a concealed carry permit.

02:14:06.380 They wanted him to shoot at them.

02:14:07.640 So he runs.

02:14:08.200 So these two white guys are chasing after him in an apartment complex.

02:14:11.540 He's able to run, get into his house, calls 911 and it has his gun.

02:14:16.760 He's like, what do I do?

02:14:17.720 Because he's doing the math.

02:14:18.680 Okay.

02:14:18.800 There's two guys with the gun.

02:14:19.820 Maybe you can disarm one.

02:14:20.880 And you realize, no, no, they were obviously going to kill him.

02:14:24.440 And then they were going to, either he had his gun on him and they knew it because they

02:14:27.400 knew he had a concealed carry permit because you can, you know, you can run that through

02:14:29.820 database.

02:14:30.240 So they would have just said, oh, he was going to shoot us. 1.00

02:14:33.060 Black Trump supporter trying to kill the FBI. 0.99

02:14:35.480 This is what Trump's trying to do. 0.98

02:14:37.660 So not only that again, which is why I guess I have a lot of empathy for people trying to

02:14:43.700 to navigate morality in the current era, because not only do you not have, because our people

02:14:49.360 don't want to be violent anyway.

02:14:50.300 So not only do you have to avoid the guys telling you don't be violent, but you have

02:14:54.900 to wonder if you're being chased down by a couple of people with guns, they might be

02:15:00.020 feds setting you up so that they can kill you and then pretend that you tried to kill 0.99

02:15:05.480 them. 0.97

02:15:05.940 That's where we are now.

02:15:07.100 Yeah.

02:15:07.340 But violence is not the answer.

02:15:10.120 But even self-defense.

02:15:11.220 Yeah.

02:15:11.580 We're not suicidal either.

02:15:13.700 And it's crazy that we have to make these distinctions.

02:15:16.580 I've grown quite fond of living in reality.

02:15:18.900 But we're just about at that time.

02:15:20.920 This has been a lot of fun, starting with the most serious of topics and then kind of

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02:15:31.860 Mike, do you want to shout anything out?

02:15:33.440 No.

02:15:33.840 No, I mean, I have a sub stack, mikecernovich.substack.com.

02:15:36.860 People can.

02:15:37.420 Most of those articles are free for 90 days, so they can go there.

02:15:40.200 Right on.

02:15:40.620 And your Twitter at Cernovich.

02:15:42.400 Yeah.

02:15:42.820 Yeah.

02:15:43.020 I think most people, yeah.

02:15:44.480 Is X.

02:15:45.860 Whatever.

02:15:46.560 Dead naming.

02:15:47.140 X over.

02:15:47.380 I do try to call it X out of respect.

02:15:49.280 I do try to do a little, if he calls it X, I'm going to call it X because he deserves

02:15:54.620 that.

02:15:55.100 And it's a repost instead of a retweet.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - January 12, 2024

The Culture War #46 - Exposing The Epstein Files, Elite Traffickers w⧸Mike Cernovich

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