In this episode of The Best Political Show, we discuss the recent release of documents pertaining to Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged involvement in the sex trafficking of minors. We talk about the process of getting these documents unsealed, how the media covered it up, and what the implications are for the future of the Epstein case and the people around him. We also discuss the implications for Bill Clinton and his possible involvement in Epstein's sex trafficking and what we can expect in the future from this case and others like it and much more! Thanks to Mike Cernovich, Phil Labonte, Luke Gretkowski, and Luke's good friend Luke Gretzky for joining us on the show today. The show is brought to you by Betonline.ca and GameSense. Betonline is a leading provider of high-performance computer and software solutions for the financial, legal, and human capital needs of Fortune 500 companies and institutional investors. BetOnline is the leading financial technology company in North America, with over $1.5B in assets and nearly $25M in annual revenue. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. to speak with an advisor FREE of charge, to be helped solve your gambling and financial problems. Please play responsibly! BetOnline.ca/WagerOntario only! - Call Connected to Wager Ontario only, call 1-to-Wager Ontario, 1-888-521-262600, to get a free $53100. - Connected2Wager.ca-to wager-to Wager-Ontario-only, to make sure you get the best deal on your best chance to win the best experience in the world of the highest-rated casino game in the best casino game on the highest possible casino in the most competitive market in the entire world of all major gambling and social media platforms . BetMOGM, the king of the 21st century, BetOnline, BetMGMGM & Gambling Ontario, the world's largest casino game, BetmoGMGMS, the only place to play responsibly, the most reliable gambling & gaming & social network & much more. , we will be giving you access to the best gaming and social , we are giving you everything you could possibly ask for!
00:28:57.200So there's, there's so much there that we do know.
00:29:00.680So we know for a fact that the way a case would have been charged if they wanted Epstein for real
00:29:07.060is they would have charged him under the Mann Act and similar statutes.
00:29:11.060They would have gone after him aggressively and they didn't.
00:29:14.640And that tells you that whatever happened was at the government level or at the level above government.
00:29:19.680And I mean, that, the, this isn't anything that's new.
00:29:22.920Obviously everyone, as soon as, as, as Epstein was arrested, people were like, well, this seems odd.
00:29:29.460And, and even if they didn't articulate the, the circumstances the way you did, everyone kind of knew that like the government really likes to overcharge people.
00:29:38.400The government likes to have a lot of options.
00:29:40.060And that's really what it boils down to.
00:29:41.720The, the feds or, or the prosecutor, they want to have as many options.
00:29:45.300They want to put as much pressure on you.
00:29:47.020So that way you'll give up people that you were, that possibly were committing crimes with you or whatever.
00:29:50.880And when you see that that wasn't the case with Epstein, it was, you know, most people were like, oh, this is obvious, which is why the meme of Epstein didn't kill himself came out, you know, and I mean, there's a lot there too.
00:30:05.700Which, cellmate, which as a lawyer, I mean, so here, here's the wild thing about the, like my legal background is every, like everything happening to J6 people is actually normal.
00:30:18.200If you're charged with crimes, it's not normal to charge protesters, but no, like this is our, actually the way the system works.
00:30:25.900Ask any lawyer if they want to be in the criminal system, dude, like, first of all, you don't need, I've never sued anybody because you don't even want to be in the civil litigation system, right?
00:30:33.680You don't, you don't even want to be in a lawsuit at all.
00:30:35.440This Epstein thing, what, you know, cause it, things can spiral out of control.
00:30:39.440Just that, that's why people, that's why people so frequently or big companies so frequently will settle just because it's a headache and a hassle to deal with.
00:30:46.160So the, the guards, it actually, the guards being asleep in a prison is to me the least surprising thing about this.
00:30:55.000Like, well, yeah, I mean, of course they are because if you were a guard in a ward, what would you be doing?
00:30:59.040You'd be on your phone and you'd be reading magazines or, hey, hey, fall, you know, I'm going to sleep.
00:31:03.200You know, you take a nap, I'm going to take a nap.
00:31:04.660But although I, I don't know that that's necessarily what happened here, but in, in, um, in normal circumstances, cameras, yeah, the camera's not working.
00:31:18.960Before that you had his, he was, he was in a cell with a cellmate and he's like brutally beaten and strangled.
00:31:25.680But this was, this wasn't the only suicide attempt.
00:31:28.540There was multiple suicide attempts, not just that, but there was another incident where, uh, according to some of the witnesses, he was beat up, but they claimed it was a suicide attempt.
00:31:36.260So they put him in the suicide ward with one of the most violent prisoners there, an ex-police officer who murdered a whole bunch of people.
00:31:43.560Um, he also recently kind of passed away from, from COVID.
00:31:48.100Uh, so, so his stories aren't really, uh, shared as well.
00:31:51.180So when, when we look at that particular incident, specifically in the jail cell, um, we had Epstein's brother come out on Tucker Carlson and detailed the long number of anomalies that happened specifically when it came to the reporting, the handling of this alleged life taking and how all of it tapped down,
00:32:11.800especially from the medical examiner, especially when it came even to the medical reports and the documentation of how everything was handled, everything was done wrong.
00:32:19.080They weren't supposed to move the body.
00:32:20.340They weren't supposed to change the clothing that Epstein was wearing.
00:32:23.800They were supposed to document everything that happened.
00:32:25.760They never did any of that and failed every single step of the way to the point where they were like, oh, there's no surveillance cameras.
00:32:33.580Bill Barr came out saying, yes, there are surveillance cameras.
00:32:37.720In a place where they have total control, not like this happened out on the street where you had to worry about people walking by and the crime, you have to have people make, make sure that no one touches the crime scene.
00:33:16.380But when you look at the circumstantial evidence, you do look at the photos.
00:33:19.860I think there's a probability that there is a chance that he is alive.
00:33:23.920There's also drone footage that was flown over Epstein Island after his alleged death showing a man that looks almost identical to him.
00:33:32.960And that's when I decided to personally go to the island myself in order to investigate if he was still alive, if he was still on the island.
00:34:02.120The behavior is totally if you ever have a loved one who's been in the institutions, there's no like book that people like Epstein's brother.
00:34:13.220So, first of all, I don't think he killed himself.
00:34:14.620Obviously, wouldn't have because he had cards to play and everything about his life is.
00:34:18.020If there's one thing about Jeffrey Epstein and anything you know about the world and humans, this person is not the person who kills himself.
00:41:58.260And I guarantee it's extremely effective for a lot of people, too, because the number of people that are dabbling in these types of indiscriminate behaviors, it's not just a few.
00:42:12.660It's it's probably the majority of it's everywhere and they get off of it.
00:42:17.620This is why they do what they do at the Bohemian Grove.
00:42:19.440This is why there's male porn stars being shipped into George W. Bush White House, even in the in the 2000s.
00:42:25.800And we could keep going on and on the Franklin cover up.
00:42:48.720But I'll give you guys a more I suppose it's all recent context.
00:42:53.120But you don't even need a phone call from an intel off intelligence agent or officer or a politician or some mafioso guy because people know how to behave.
00:43:06.500Before January 6th, there were high profile commentators who are going on social media and cheering for things like kicking the door in, storming the castle, storming the building, shutting it down.
00:43:17.980They are on video just going like, yeah, we're going to do this.
00:44:18.980But now there are these high-profile commentators.
00:44:21.040And, you know, I'm not familiar with the example you've given of Joe Walsh, but there are many other people who, within the months, after all these raids start happening and the feds are locking people up and they can see the torture that's going on, they all of a sudden are just like, I think Donald Trump is bad and will just say whatever they want me to say.
00:44:37.820Now, think about with Epstein, or think about these honeypots and these brothels.
00:44:41.900Because the moment, like you mentioned, Mike, that prosecutor comes out and says, we know who you are, these people immediately are like, Hillary Clinton is the greatest politician in American history.
00:44:49.740All they have to do is, like, literally, if you're in a position where they have information on you, you know.
00:44:56.460All they have to do is say something that you'll pick up in a tweet.
00:44:59.820They can put it in a press release, an official press release, something in there that you're familiar with, and they're just like, oh, no, this is them speaking at me.
00:45:08.720Or even if you didn't do anything, there's, like, a trick.
00:45:12.500I don't want people, you know, maybe I'll regret saying this, but something, like, lawyers would learn or police would know is, if you go up to somebody and say, you know, we actually know what you did.
00:45:23.980Even if you didn't do anything, because it's like that, what is the book, Crime and Punishment, where it's your conscience is always carrying things and paranoia.
00:45:35.060If anyone ever comes up to you, anyone ever comes up to me and wearing a suit and says, we know what you did, Mr. Poole, I'd be like, I swear that peanut butter wasn't mine.
00:45:45.020Let's put the pieces together here, because let's just say you're the president of the United States.
00:45:50.160Let's just say you were hanging out with Mr. Epstein, and there could be different scenarios and different situations where it doesn't have to be children as young as nine.
00:45:59.800And you can't just be a total evil demon, as there are actual reports and witnesses talking about specifically young children that were brought on that island.
00:46:08.240But let's just say someone's, you know, 17 or 16, but they look like they're a lot older.
00:46:12.840So if you're a politician, you're hanging out, you're having a good time, and then Epstein says, yeah, yeah, you know, feel free to come to my mansion in New York City.
00:46:20.460That's wired with all these surveillance cameras in a secret surveillance room, documenting everything in every little small corner with cameras even in the bathroom.
00:46:28.400If you're a politician and you partake with someone who you think is of legal age, there's video footage, you're the president of the United States now, you're the prime minister, you're a prince, you're, you know, whoever you are.
00:46:41.260They just come to you and say, hey, here's a video tip you want to show you.
00:46:44.040This girl was actually 17 years old or 16 years old.
00:47:45.980When Jesse Mature became governor of Minnesota, he actually—the CIA met with him.
00:47:50.840And it was less nefarious than that because, you know, Jesse, I don't think, really wasn't going to play ball.
00:47:55.740But he goes, oh, yeah, no, they come in and, like, we don't really know who you are and everything else.
00:48:00.960So, you know, we know that happens for sure.
00:48:03.000However, the—the—I feel—so with the blackmail, I guess I'm conflicted because I feel like most people don't need to be blackmailed, first of all.
00:48:13.360Blackmail is, like, do you need to tell Bill Gates you need to vaccinate people?
00:48:19.480Those people are going to play baller.
00:48:21.080Even in the media, you know, you worked in the media.
00:48:22.560I've known most of the people you worked with for—you know, a lot of them are editing, getting your—so you can have a name on Wikipedia.
00:48:30.440A lot of them were taking $25, $50 and would write an article about you.
00:48:34.400That way there was a citation, some Wikipedia factory.
00:48:38.000These are not—these are not people that even need blackmail.
00:48:40.580I'll tell you—I'll give you the real scenario that intelligence agents engage in for manipulation of the press.
00:48:46.380And it's not what most people would assume.
00:48:48.220People often believe that journalists are bribed.
00:48:50.860Intelligence guy says, here's money, be evil.
00:48:53.940There is a 23-year-old journalism school—J school graduate, let's say 24, gets a job and is getting paid $40,000 a year in New York City.
00:49:06.240An intelligence official or agent or person will contact them and say, hey, do you want inside information on what's going on right now?
00:49:47.100This person who's got a Rolodex of CIA officials and they're going to write whatever the CIA says.
00:49:52.540And we can't get sued if we report salacious BS.
00:49:55.320All you have to do is look at MSNBC from like – well, look at MSNBC because the MSNBC is where like the people from the Council on Foreign Relations go.
00:50:08.060The MSNBC – you know, Mika Brzezinski's father was involved with the Carter administration.
00:50:14.060MSNBC is where all the CIA operatives go.
00:50:55.640But there's different layers to this because there's a lot of resistance.
00:50:59.380There's a lot at stake here, especially when it comes to big national psyopsis that, of course, the CIA does everything in its power in order to prevent the people from finding out, like the Wuhan lab leak.
00:51:10.460Which, as we know, the CIA paid analysts to cover up, which we know the CIA had their fingerprints on.
00:51:15.900And when we look at stories specifically with individuals like Udo Uffkett, he was a very prominent German journalist.
00:51:23.240He was essentially writing for all the top German newspapers.
00:51:26.540And he described a situation where the intel agencies literally came to him.
00:51:30.540They wrote up stories and they were like, here, put your name on it.
00:51:54.280You mentioned you were talking about, you know, blackmail and stuff.
00:51:57.780And I want one of the things you said kind of struck me, like the idea that that the really, really powerful people are beyond blackmail.
00:52:06.140I wonder what like what's your take on like Epstein and Clinton, Bill Clinton's relationship?
00:52:11.280Because if, if, if, if someone like that is beyond like blackmail or whatever, people that are higher up, whoever it may be, like, then what is the incentive for them to actually be around Epstein, you know?
00:52:24.980Well, if, so imagine you're Bill Clinton.
00:52:27.860Actually, I have, I have a funny story.
00:52:53.300Like, I think that's where, you know, I try not to be crude or, you know, talk vulgar or whatever, but it's just like, if you're Bill Clinton, you're still like a horny man.
00:53:01.940You're the most recognizable man in the world.
00:53:25.520You know, so I think that was probably the case, too, with Bill Gates was.
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00:57:22.040But then you have all these people on the periphery and you would say, well, I do want to, maybe I can get my hooks on people.
00:57:30.300So I think, you know, I think Eric Weinstein told this story, which was an interesting one on one of the shows where the way they would like groom you is they would have like right here would be an American flag table.
00:57:42.440So you'd go in to have dinner and they would have dinner on the American flag.
00:57:46.160So some cornball like me is like, yeah, it's kind of weird.
00:59:07.840Because maybe, okay, well, I'll run them through the funnel and see where he, and then eventually you're, because you don't just come out and say, hey, man, you want to, I have, you know, these chicks coming over my house.
00:59:18.300You want to, like, come over and meet chicks.
00:59:28.660Podesta's art gallery definitely is a major black pill.
00:59:32.440We could get into that in another time.
00:59:34.840But another thing that also linked Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein together is their kind of love and affiliation for eugenics and population control.
00:59:45.460So people don't really talk about this a lot, but Jeffrey Epstein was involved very heavily in the scientific community.
00:59:51.960He bankrolled a lot of very controversial scientific studies that we still have no idea about, and he literally tried to spread his DNA by impregnating 20 women on his own ranch.
01:00:02.900This is reported by the Times of Israel, talking about his specific dream of spreading his DNA as far and as wide as he could as well.
01:00:11.680Bill Gates, also another eugenicist who believes that there's too many people in this world, and also supports a lot of very controversial scientific experiments and projects.
01:00:34.360People have more children when your kids die.
01:00:36.880So if you go back to the history world, people would have 12 kids, because maybe eight of them would die.
01:00:41.240We can't imagine that in the Western world.
01:00:43.980So when people say he's a eugenicist of population control, the idea is that if you know that four of your kids might die from malaria, then you might have eight kids, because you want to have four kids at the end of it.
01:00:56.500So if you get vaccinations to these people, then they're going to be able to do more family planning.
01:01:02.140So I'm no Bill Gates defender, but I think his vaccination program is so different from the problems that they're trying to solve.
01:01:10.900But I mean, let's think about that for a second.
01:01:13.920Epstein is a guy who wants to sow his seed as far as seeds can be sown.
01:01:17.880And so Bill Gates, let's entertain this conspiracy theory.
01:01:20.700Bill Gates is like, there are much too many people.
01:01:27.760Listen to this Times of Israel article.
01:01:32.240New York financier accused of trafficking small minors, was interested in eugenics, would surround himself with top scientists who entertained his half-baked ideas, New York Times says.
01:01:42.660I know, but the implication is that Bill Gates is like, it's not about depopulation.
01:01:46.960It's about repopulation of Epstein's genetics.
01:03:13.260They'll do this thing where – and a lot of people online fall victim to this very easily.
01:03:17.740Let's say there's a guy who has an email outlining his plan to rob a bank.
01:03:21.480Like the emails get leaked and he'll say something like the crow, you know, flies at midnight.
01:03:27.320And it's very obvious what they're alluding to is their plot to rob a bank.
01:03:31.440And then when they're like, uh-oh, these people online are starting to figure out what we're doing, they'll introduce fake evidence.
01:03:36.620And then a picture of a guy named the crow and he's a – he's a – you know, he works for a petroleum company.
01:03:43.060And then they're like, aha, they were actually trying to buy oil shares.
01:03:46.360And then everyone goes, whoa, totally diverts what was actually going on.
01:03:49.920Everyone forgets about the real story and targets the wrong story.
01:03:52.740And you flood the zone and that's a lot that's happened with Epstein is you want to flood the zone with as much truthful information, half-truth information.
01:04:01.220There was actually that cool scene if you ever watch Money Heist during the lockdowns where they were going to release all of this information damaging the government officials.
01:04:09.780So the government officials said, we're going to dump a bunch of fake stuff.
01:04:12.920And now the zone – because that's actually a tactic.
01:04:15.420This was a strategy that they wanted to use against WikiLeaks.
01:04:19.000The plan was to leak fake documents to Julian Assange, make them appear real, and give some credibility to them.
01:04:24.660So when WikiLeaks reported it, they could come out and say it's all fake.
01:04:26.920And this is what Cass Sunstein, Obama's Informations Are, literally wrote about in Harvard, which is another Epstein connection, by the way.
01:04:33.940But when you look at his essentially white paper on fighting disinformation, he openly bragged about spreading disinformation himself in order to muddy the waters, in order to confuse people.
01:04:44.140And with every kind of major event, whether it's COVID or 9-11, we always see a bunch of crazy people come on and say the most wild, absurd stuff.
01:04:53.320So then everyone always associates the victims or the people who want the actual truth and accountability here with some of these crazy, bat-ish individuals that are literally spreading off the news.
01:05:05.160People that are inclined to disbelieve the official narrative, they tend to believe almost anything else that's given to them.
01:05:12.680If you're automatically suspicious of whatever the standard media narrative is, it's really tough to parse through all the other information to find what's actually true.
01:05:24.940Let's use the Great Replacement as an example.
01:05:27.180What does the average person mean when they're talking online about this?
01:05:29.920Democrats have expressed numerous times over many, many years that displacing the majority population of this country with immigrant voters is beneficial to their hold on power in this country.
01:05:41.140Van Jones famously said, not even that long ago, we're asking the white majority to become a minority, and we know what that means.
01:05:46.240Ten years ago, they were writing pieces called The Browning of America.
01:05:48.860And so what happens then is, as soon as people start talking about the Great Replacement, on Wikipedia, it gets flooded with articles saying it's a white supremacist conspiracy theory that believes Jewish organizations have started, and then all of a sudden, the average person sitting at home, someone will say to them, did you hear about what the Democrats are talking about?
01:06:06.180Like they wanted to, Van Jones was saying he wanted to bring in a bunch of immigrants for voting power.
01:06:10.080They'll go, oh, wait a minute, I heard about that.
01:06:12.520You think the Jews are doing, and then all of a sudden, it becomes something insane, the average person.
01:06:18.120It's basically information vaccination.
01:06:20.640They want to give a fake psychotic story to the average person before they can hear the actual concerns.
01:06:29.700He says whenever he sees the media put out a fake story, he's like, I got to call my mom right away and make sure I give her the real information before she gets tricked by the corporate press.
01:06:37.180And so that's another way of saying that when we talk about Epstein, we have to be asked if we're falling victim to that and going down rabbit holes that they're doing the Flood of the Zone.
01:06:49.160Or another favorite tactic, too, is like, I didn't know who Dave was doing.
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01:10:42.460They've done some things that aren't really good.
01:10:43.980And, you know, we've talked about that here.
01:10:46.340You can go see all the things we talked about.
01:10:48.160They're like, no, no, the right wing, they hate Jews, and therefore they hate Israel, the Jewish state.
01:10:52.800Like, nobody, nobody does, other than these Fed operations or the nonprofits, of course, fund them.
01:10:59.740Because what better way to raise money than to say, oh, look at all these extremists online.
01:11:03.840And then anybody who would question that would say, well, Media Matters was caught sock puppeting Elon Musk.
01:11:08.060So if Media Matters would create sock puppet accounts to manufacture an advertising boycott, then why wouldn't these groups also go on as little online Hitlers and create all this drama to make it look like this is a big problem and I can raise money off of it?
01:11:29.240Several individuals who are, like, moderate or even leftist.
01:11:32.800Most of them are, like, leftist, who are anti-war.
01:11:34.400Remember, the SPLC wrote an article claiming that the left and the right had this, like, unification under anti-Semitism and stuff like that.
01:11:44.740They claimed – first they called me alt-right, which was, like, laughably absurd, especially at the time.
01:11:50.160But they claimed that I had gone to Iran for a Holocaust deniers conference, and their source was an archive of a conspiracy theory website from Iran that had since been deleted.
01:11:59.860And I was not so much involved in the legal proceedings, but several of the individuals who were named – I think Rania Kalik may have been also implied in here.
01:12:13.000They immediately took it down because the implication was I was like, I'm more than happy to go to court over this.
01:12:17.960I would love the Southern Poverty Law Center to assert they genuinely believed a Holocaust – an Iranian Holocaust deniers website was a true source of information.
01:12:26.420And not just reckless disregard for the truth.
01:12:29.740But I'm wondering, you know, for what purpose did they try to make that claim about me at the time that I was a Holocaust-denying Iranian venture-going –
01:12:38.220Because they were – that's how they remove people from the board, right?
01:13:15.440They don't have any kind of curiosity.
01:13:16.320Mike, we had a town hall podcast event here in Iowa on TimCast IRL.
01:13:23.520There's a gigantic TV screen that says TimCast IRL.
01:13:27.180And the guy – one of the journalists from the local news outlets wrote Vivek Apir on the Tim Pool Daily Show.
01:13:32.400And I'm just like, does this man not have Google?
01:13:34.960Does he not have eyes for which he can see the screen before him?
01:13:38.780Did he not look at any of the individuals here and ask them what – like, he didn't ask a single person what they were doing here, what was going on.
01:13:44.560He didn't know the name of the event he was attending that he then went on to write about.
01:13:50.380I had one of your staff guys tell me that they were very uncomfortable when I was calling them prostitutes of the horse stream media.
01:13:57.260And when you look at what they're doing, it's not just – it's criminal.
01:14:03.380They covered up this story of Epstein for so long, just to bring it full circle here.
01:14:09.820You look at what ABC News did with Amy Robash.
01:14:12.340You look at Vanity Fair with the latest revelations that came out with Bill Clinton, according to some sources, through these latest documents,
01:14:19.000barging into the headquarters of Vanity Fair and saying, no, you're not going to tell the stories of these victims here.
01:14:25.040You look at almost all the people that were victims here.
01:15:42.860And then they ignored it, and they didn't do anything about it.
01:15:44.640I am tired of hearing these stories of the people with leverage giving up their leverage to evil people.
01:15:50.360In this instance, ABC could have told them, no, you are going to give us the interviews because we're the ones with the story, and we're going to report it.
01:16:00.380And if you want to play ball, you play ball with us.
01:16:04.320Instead, they go, oh, we'll play ball with you.
01:16:06.720I was talking – Elon Musk did this, and this is why I have tremendous respect for him.
01:16:10.080When the advertisers threatened him over this BS adpocalypse, he said, go F yourselves, and that's what I'm talking about.
01:16:16.740When the first adpocalypse happened on YouTube, all these big advertisers said, we're going to cancel our ads on YouTube unless you ban these things.
01:16:23.860I'm like, it was the easiest thing in the world for YouTube.
01:16:27.060Let's just say hypothetical Company A.
01:16:30.060I'm not going to use any real company names.
01:16:31.180Let's say Company A shows up and says, you know, look, Tim, we don't like the nature of your show and the things you say, so we're going to pull our sponsorship from you unless you stop saying these things.
01:19:32.420And then that's the Western education model, though, that teaches us that we're like Tabula Rasa and everything.
01:19:38.600And some people just have herd DNA, like the other day I said, like noble DNA.
01:19:44.440There are some people, like me personally, where it's a little different now that I have kids, but I would have just like, okay, I've been threatened and stuff, you know?
01:19:54.040It's like, okay, I don't give a shit, right?
01:20:01.200But a lot of people have different kind of DNA.
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01:21:49.540Like, you're not going to die if you say these things.
01:21:52.480And if you have a little bit of money saved up, how much more money do you, like, the bigger problem I have, maybe, because we all have our biases, is I know guys with enough money that you can live off the interest.
01:22:34.280Why be in a position where you regret and do really awful, horrible stuff, as, of course, all of this, like, superficial stuff is meaningless.
01:22:42.100So, without that spiritual, without that religious connection about your, who you are, your karma, your judgment, a lot of these people don't have any of that.
01:22:50.800And this is why they're able to make these kind of cold-blooded decisions, saying, I'm going to get money.
01:22:54.620I'm going to live in the pleasure centers of now, instead of the larger kind of gratifications of eternal life and greatness of doing good in this world.
01:23:02.980You know, I think there's that question.
01:23:05.980What would you do if you won the lottery, right?
01:23:07.380You won the Mega Millions, won $100 million.
01:23:09.200And the average person, you would ask, is going to say something like, buy a house, pay off my debt, private island, stuff like that.
01:23:18.740And it's a bummer, because the reality is, even wealthy, successful individuals that everyone who's, like, listening to the show would follow still have the exact same mentality.
01:23:27.380Just because they earned their wealth doesn't mean they still don't have the mentality of, once I have the money, I'm going to buy myself a boat or a gold statue of themselves.
01:23:33.980And it is a bummer, because it's like what you were saying about these people who could just, you're rich forever.
01:23:38.660At that point, it's like, you can really do something now.
01:23:41.620You have so much less to fear than the average person who's like, if I stick my neck out, I lose my job, I can't feed my kids.
01:23:46.740There are too many people who are independently wealthy and still making money.
01:23:50.820And I'm like, you know, you come to me, and you'll say to me, I really appreciate what you do.
01:23:56.460My response to you is, you have substantially more money than I do.
01:24:15.240Because me, I've funded movies and shit.
01:24:16.980Like, I've written checks even before, you know, I've funded a lot of stuff out of my own pocket.
01:24:21.920And so I'm like, oh, okay, he probably wants to, like, fund a movie.
01:24:24.780I can push him in the right direction.
01:24:26.020I don't need his money, but I can get him somewhere.
01:24:28.380And you realize, like, oh, okay, that's another thing, too, that maybe that's why I'm less, I've become less of a conspiracy theorist over the years,
01:24:34.620because I've met so many of these people who are pulling the strings.
01:25:04.000And then I'd be like, oh, no, actually, with that guy or that girl, like, you could really make a difference in that person's life for, like, a few grand a month.
01:25:12.480You know, I don't need your money, you know?
01:25:14.680Like, or if you want to make a film, you can write me a check, but it's going to be, you know, bigger, and I don't want you breathing over my neck.
01:25:19.940You could tell on an energetic level they're usually very dense.
01:25:24.380There's not a lot in there that is actually interesting or worthwhile.
01:25:28.920I could see that you definitely have a spiritual connection to all of this.
01:25:33.600I think a lot of people in this who are in the right reasons do, but I also think there's a lot of controlled opposition.
01:25:38.640I think there's a lot of people out there who are willingly or unwillingly subverting and hurting us.
01:25:45.100What would be your kind of message to those kind of individuals?
01:25:49.000What would you tell them personally if you could speak to them?
01:25:51.320You know, I don't think they're controlled opposition, but I'll tell you something that really bothered me, bothered me a lot, including by some people I like.
01:25:59.800So I don't want to name names or do, like, a whole drama.
01:26:05.000I'll just say, in general, what really bothered me was I know for a fact that during the COVID lockdowns, people moved to Florida, posted selfies.
01:26:15.440I'm in the free state of Florida, and then when DeSantis announced his campaign, then they all said DeSantis locked down Florida.
01:26:59.000And they're compromising their morals to win.
01:27:01.060When you mention that some people are just heard, you know, genetics or whatever, you know, whether figurative or literal, non-player characters,
01:27:08.240they're not interested in being a character in the story.
01:27:10.620They're interested in being the innkeeper you talk to one time.
01:27:12.480Yeah, or they're more easily seduced by, like, trinkets.
01:27:16.160That's another—that's, like, another way that people can kind of—you know, like, I'm wearing my—this is from Costco, right?
01:27:24.200So I've had people try to seduce me kind of, like, with trinkets.
01:27:30.580Yeah, yeah, I remember because I remember early on in my kind of, like, early come-up where people are, like, trying to understand you to manipulate you.
01:27:52.460Maybe I seem kind of fucking crazy to you, but I don't—I have an agenda, actually, of truth, or at least trying to fight, you know, demonic forces as I see them.
01:28:01.380But a lot of people, too, that, you know, they want to be at Mar-a-Lago, and they want the picture that they're at Mar-a-Lago.
01:28:08.240And then your friends are like, oh, wow, you've met Trump?
01:28:35.500So there is a—within our own mind—my own mind, too, because I've had to overcome—that's the only reason I know I had to overcome all this stuff is there is a little chimp in our little brains.
01:29:45.220You just got to, you know, do what you're told to.
01:29:47.000Well, I mean, there's a more—what if you're a young independent reporter and you get—you know, you have a donation thing on your site or whatever.
01:29:59.380Do you look up everybody who's donated to your thing, you know?
01:30:03.720That's why I quit taking donations because when they went after—they tried to link Ezra Levant to the Christ Church shooter.
01:31:00.160Media Matters wrote up, Tim Pool laughs and says he literally could give no shits or whatever over this.
01:31:05.540I'm like, dude, no matter what you do, like Donald Trump walks down the street and farts they're going to write a negative hit piece and say he gassed the innocent children or some nonsense bullshit.
01:31:14.320So at this point I'm just like, we need to win the culture where we need to build culture.
01:31:17.820We need to – it's something you said a long time ago actually.
01:31:38.840The media hit pieces – so one, again, virtue is modeled.
01:31:43.740That's where a lot of people lose the plot because you ever think about too, like I grew up Christian and I love Christianity and I fucking hate Christians.
01:32:17.880And so the reason I bring that up and somebody's going to cut that clip, oh, Cernovich is working for Israel, hates Christians or whatever.
01:32:24.480You don't want to be that person too, you know, because virtue is modeled in the same thing.
01:32:29.040So if you're a Christian and you're the guy who everybody knows you're going to thump the Bible at, then nobody's going to want to model that behavior.
01:32:37.000So if you're a dad or you're successful, whatever, you want to try to create a model that younger people especially can say, oh, okay, that's how you can live.
01:32:46.740Or, you know, you can't live that way and that is why you want to show courage or a little bit of savvy or –
01:33:17.380You can still fund your kids 529 or whatever and you can just not have all of these things and then you realize you don't want them anyway.
01:33:25.840So several years ago I was hanging out at my friend's house and she has a golden YouTuber.
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01:40:25.240It's all people in the business selecting who they're friends with.
01:40:28.780You know, it's like you'll hear tons of people nominated for Grammys, and you'll have never heard the music.
01:40:34.620And they're all compromised, and they all have videotapes and incidences of them doing really awful, horrible things that they control them with.
01:40:42.980I don't know 100% about all of them, but when it comes to the ones that get nominated, like, it's always people, you know, it's always people inside the business.
01:40:51.940Whereas when it comes to, you know, whether it be the play buttons on YouTube or gold records or platinum records or whatever, in my case, like, it's stuff that people decided that they're going to—
01:41:01.940You know, voting with your dollars and stuff like that.
01:41:03.660That kind of, I guess, memorabilia stuff matters to me because of it.
01:41:10.700Yeah, and that—so, yeah, there's the idea of there's the icon and then what the icon represents, and then the way they hijack our brain is they try to groom us into always chasing the icon.
01:41:24.700Because then you can always have someone chasing another icon, and then that's how you lead people into sin and temptation, which also fundamentally leads people in moral cowardice because you're thinking, oh, if I stand up now, I'm going to not be able to chase these little icons.
01:41:39.800And then you say, well, do you even—like, I've had conversations like this with people before where clearly they've never thought about it because they're around, like, a bunch of lackeys.
01:41:48.960But I'm like, do you even, like, give a shit, you know?
01:41:52.260Do you actually give a shit if you make another $10 million or $20 million?
01:41:58.000They're like, well—I was like, what are you going to do?
01:42:00.580You're going to die, and your kids are going to fight over your money, or you're going to die, and you're going to have a foundation, and you're going to end up like the Rockefellers, and shit libs are going to take over your foundation.
01:42:10.780I've been following a few of these Instagram accounts.
01:42:35.840The kids moved off when they were in their late teens, early 20s, went to college, built their own lives, literally don't give a shit about what was left behind for them.
01:42:43.460So, I've gone to look at houses, and I'm sure many people who are, like, in the market may have experienced this.
01:42:48.680I went and looked at one house in Maryland several years ago.
01:42:59.220Now, if you're someone who doesn't even have kids, it's wild to watch these videos to see this $5 million mansion, the pool, everything just, like, it never mattered in the first place.
01:43:08.240And then the government takes it, and that's why I think.
01:43:10.320No, but that's the crazy thing is that often in these circumstances, it's just done.
01:43:15.160The net worth of the building, millions of dollars, you could sell it.
01:43:18.080You could go on the market right now and say, who wants an investment?
01:43:20.160Somebody with the capital could say, I need a place to store my money.
01:43:23.120But this person who owns it dies, and then that value is just instantly wiped out.
01:44:30.400We should do things to stop these people.
01:44:32.560Because even if you don't believe in God, human suffering is bad.
01:44:35.260Or like with child trafficking or what's happening at the border, you would just say, you don't have to have a religion.
01:44:41.320Do you believe in human suffering, or do you want humans to flourish?
01:44:44.180So you want to create a world where they flourish.
01:44:46.360And then you got these guys, and they're rich, but they can't make that connection.
01:44:51.220So those, I'm glad that you're not, I'm not the only one who's watching those urban explorers because they're so interesting.
01:44:57.860And then the black mold and everything you got to worry about.
01:45:00.640But yeah, you do watch that and you realize that guy, he built himself a big prison.
01:45:05.660But the biggest prison was his mental prison, the prison of his mind, where you know that that guy said, oh, I don't want to do this because I might lose my money.
01:45:14.500And then you realize you sat in your nice little prison.
01:45:17.480Nobody cares that you ever lived or died.
01:45:18.900I had an extremely high-ranking member of the military that was retired tell me the same exact thing, saying the biggest prison is the one that you have inside of your own mind.
01:45:27.540And I think that statement is very profound because it just shows you how everyone does this to themselves.
01:45:35.040And essentially it's a choice that a lot of people have that they have to make individually within themselves that no one really tells them where is going to be your path.
01:45:44.360Where are you going to be going in life?
01:45:46.300Are you going to be building, progressing, or you're going to have short-term dopamine pleasure centers, releases that essentially don't amount to anything and make you absolutely miserable.
01:45:54.680That's how we should reframe this larger kind of ideology because I think that's the ideology between good and evil.
01:46:00.080I don't think anybody actually wants a big house.
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01:48:55.380I just think, you know, for me, the only thing that ever really makes sense in terms of expanding your property and where you live is how many of your family members are going to live there with you.
01:49:08.280And if it's not that, what do you need?
01:49:14.580I don't like cities living in that way.
01:49:16.820But you see a lot of people, it's wild to me.
01:49:21.120You have industries built on how to get rich.
01:49:25.340People who get rich, by telling you, by paying them, you can be rich too.
01:49:29.360And I'm just like, everybody is chasing after that.
01:49:31.360I can respect it to a certain degree, but there's nothing there in it.
01:49:34.680I mean, unless you want to get rich because you've got big plans.
01:49:37.480And I even think that's the wrong method.
01:49:39.900Most, the story goes that most people who are successful are successful not because they wanted to be rich, but because they had a mission that they were driven towards.
01:49:46.740And there are a lot of people whose mission was to get rich.
01:50:23.840But then, like you said, you're never alone because then you have to hire a staff, people to watch the staff, a chief of staff to oversee all the staff.
01:50:33.580So the funny thing, too, is so you fight so hard to make money, and then you've got to hire people to not steal your money.
01:50:39.360And then you've got to hope the people you hire to not steal your money doesn't steal the money.
01:50:44.000So it becomes this whole rat race, but that's how the matrix, the social, I've always called it a social construct, but most people don't really know what that means.
01:50:53.060But, you know, matrix, social construct, the make-believe world, right?
01:50:57.060The make-believe world is, like, if you like a supercar, great.
01:54:12.960That's going to be the thing that's going to get you caught up.
01:54:17.340Or if you're at a higher level, that's how people are going to ensnare you.
01:54:19.820Because the good news is that if you're a man, you're horny.
01:54:22.700It's actually kind of hard to get laid unless you're famous or have something going for you.
01:54:27.260So that usually is enough of a protective barrier to prevent sex and ruining your life.
01:54:33.160But then if you're at these levels, these other guys, you're going to have people that are going to, oh, why don't you come over to my house and everything's on the up and up.
01:54:51.260He goes to a private island because if he shows up to a brothel or he's in Nevada or whatever, people are going to be like, hey, look, it's Bill Clinton.
01:54:56.120Or if he has a girlfriend, she wants to blow his life up.
01:55:04.200Again, which is why the why sometimes I'm called controlled opposition, because I've just been exposed to enough people who are so-called pulling the strings.
01:55:19.140It's not the people that we're allowed to talk about.
01:55:20.860And even the Jeffrey Epstein case is kind of limited hangout-ish in some ways where if you listen to Theo Vaughn or Joe Rogan or Eric Weinstein and everybody, none of them are talking about why wasn't he charged under the Mann Act?
01:55:34.480No, I'm the only one who's ever talked about that.
01:55:36.940And if people start talking about it, it'll be because of me.
01:55:39.140And then like they always do, they'll pretend like they didn't hear it from me.
01:55:41.600And then we'll talk about it because I'm Voldemort and you can't say my name, right?
01:55:44.580So the limited hangout aspect of Epstein is you're allowed to go, hmm, is he Mossad?
01:57:02.260But figuratively or literally, it does feel like people are possessed sometimes.
01:57:06.800Yeah, whether or not you're dealing with actual metaphysics or actual spirituality or whether you're dealing with just, you know, the way that people behave and the way that we interpret it.
01:57:17.680There are definitely people that are open to those kind of temptations.
01:57:21.760There are definitely people that are possessed by those kind of desires and it definitely affects the way they act.
01:58:05.300Some people can be tempted by these things, but the overwhelming majority of people who will engage in an evil act to do so because it is more of a necessity than a luxury.
01:58:13.600The devil will approach you when your children is starving, saying, Daddy, please, I'm hungry.