The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #48 - Texas National Guard Deadline With Feds, Biden VS. Texas： Civil War

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00:01:27.380 Talk about a volatile situation on the Texas border. Right now trending on Twitter is treason

00:01:35.520 stand with Texas. Biden administration. More and more states are lining up to voice their support

00:01:41.420 for Texas as they defy the federal government in securing their border. And it's a pretty wild

00:01:46.720 situation. The Biden administration has no good options. They are actively facilitating human

00:01:51.500 smuggling operations and the largest criminal alien invasion we have seen in this country probably

00:01:57.220 forever. I mean so now you have a circumstance where the feds want border barriers removed razor

00:02:02.840 wire. The Supreme Court said they can remove it but the Texas National Guard says no. The Biden

00:02:06.920 administration gives Texas till today to to back off so they can remove it and the AG of Texas Ken

00:02:13.040 Paxton says no. You also have several states which have already sent material support to Texas

00:02:18.440 and just yesterday Donald Trump called unwilling states to deploy their National Guards to Texas

00:02:23.880 for the explicit purpose of repelling federal agents who are trying to open up the border and let

00:02:30.580 illegal immigrants into the country. Needless to say there is but we are separated from here and

00:02:38.400 Civil War with nothing but a thin veneer because the risk of escalation is great. I want to stress this

00:02:43.460 point to make sure people understand normalcy bias optimism bias and what might happen because

00:02:50.360 there's probably a lot of people right now saying what a silly idea there will not be a civil war.

00:02:54.640 A point that I've made many times on Tim Castor on my other shows. We say the civil war of 1861

00:03:00.880 began at Fort Sumter. Only one person died I believe and I believe it was an accident no one was actually

00:03:05.260 trying to kill each other. However despite the fact that we say historically Fort Sumter was the

00:03:11.040 opening battle of the civil war. Locals the American population including those in the south and the north

00:03:16.900 still did not think they were in one and so at the first battle of Bull Run they came to picnic.

00:03:23.780 Citizens, residents came to picnic to watch what they thought would be nothing because civil war was

00:03:28.460 not possible despite the fact historically we believe the civil war had already started and it was chaos.

00:03:33.880 So I can't tell you that what's happening in Texas will be civil war but civil war has been trending

00:03:39.440 for several days now. Treason is trending and the current front runner for the president for the

00:03:45.880 presidency and former president has called for states to dispatch armed soldiers to go down and

00:03:52.000 lend assistance to Texas that is an active defiance over this jurisdiction with the federal government.

00:03:57.240 I would argue that this situation right now is Fort Sumter-esque. You have much like Fort Sumter a

00:04:03.220 dispute over jurisdiction and who has a right to this area. South Carolina was arguing that the

00:04:10.040 union had no right to be in this this fort because they had seceded. The union said no it's ours and we

00:04:15.200 can be here and it became active conflict. Hopefully this chills out but maybe it won't. So we'll talk

00:04:22.680 about what's going on with Texas and we'll talk about the potential of Texas seceding from the union.

00:04:28.060 We got a couple guests joining us. I don't know which one of you would like to introduce yourselves

00:04:30.500 first. I'll let Tony go. Yeah great to be here. Tony Ortiz. I'm with Current Revolt. We are the third

00:04:38.080 fourth largest conservative media outlet in Texas. We focus specifically on Texas politics. We don't

00:04:43.800 write up anything national so everything we do is based around Texas news and Texas happenings.

00:04:49.560 We've been at it for about three years four years and it's it's been a pretty wild ride. Texas a lot of

00:04:55.460 people forget Texas is huge bigger than some countries so there's a lot of news and political

00:05:00.940 stuff to cover and we focus on all that. I believe Texas is the largest state in the continental U.S.

00:05:06.520 Yeah well yeah and uh you know I like to U.S. I believe this is the right word because Alaska is on

00:05:10.680 the continent. I like to make the joke it's hard for me to respect countries that are smaller than

00:05:13.940 the state of Texas so that kind of that kind of spreads out pretty far. 30 million people.

00:05:17.800 A lot of people and um with this border invasion a lot more coming in. Yeah uh but I mean it's

00:05:24.800 affecting the entirety of the country and every other state which is interesting so good sir.

00:05:28.820 Yeah uh I'm I'm Daniel Miller. I've been here before. This is great and of course the last time

00:05:34.220 I was here was when Trump decided to announce for like the second or third time and so we had to do

00:05:38.440 running commentary on it. Right right right. Yeah but uh I'm president of an organization called the

00:05:42.900 Texas Nationalist Movement. We're the outside of the two major political parties. We're the single

00:05:46.880 largest political organization in the state uh and and our mission is the political cultural

00:05:52.460 and economic independence of Texas. We want Texit. I wrote the book. I mean it's literally called

00:05:57.240 Texit. Texit. It's such a good it's such a lucky uh portmanteau like that you you were able to say

00:06:02.180 Texit. Well you know you know what's funny you know people people look at that and you know that

00:06:07.280 originated when Greece was looking at exiting the euro right and and that's when they started talking

00:06:12.940 about Grexit and then you know Baraj and the rest of them did Brexit and and we're sitting over here

00:06:17.580 like you know we literally have an x in our name. I mean it you know it's it just kind of writes itself

00:06:22.080 but isn't there Blexit too? Like oh there's oh right that was yeah that was uh uh black democrats

00:06:26.860 correct in the democratic party. Yeah yeah so I mean insert exit to whatever you got something going on.

00:06:31.300 But but you know that's that's part of a larger trend. I mean you know this idea of of decentralization

00:06:36.300 and you know I've been Tim I've been I've been working on the issue of Texas independence since

00:06:41.000 1996. I mean and and I will tell you that we're we're standing here on the precipice you know most

00:06:48.020 people that went it went unreported by the media but but literally in the summer of 2022 Survey USA

00:06:53.820 who has been rated the most accurate political pollster in the country uh they surveyed I think it was

00:07:00.560 eight different states Texas being one of them uh and and I mean they were it was a massive sample size

00:07:05.780 you know for for a poll of that type and and essentially what they found was that 66 percent

00:07:11.180 of likely Texas voters would vote Texas out if it was on a ballot. I think I do have like a distinction

00:07:16.720 to make with that question because based on what I saw the question was more like do you think Texas

00:07:21.900 has the right to independence do they have the right to versus like the question being should they go

00:07:28.480 ahead and do it? Well that no but if you look at the question it's do you support Texas do you support

00:07:33.660 your state withdrawing from the union and joining a union of other conservative states so at the heart

00:07:37.360 of that question is beyond a shadow of a doubt. Well there's an important distinction between like

00:07:42.540 do you have do you think you should have the right to own a firearm versus do you want to exercise that

00:07:47.860 right? But you're talking about a different question on this on that poll though there was a question

00:07:51.800 about do you support a state's right just like there was a question about you know if if a state made

00:07:57.460 this decision would you support military force against them? You know that that was but but at the heart of it

00:08:02.900 was that one single question that got down to the issue of political will and if that was if that

00:08:08.760 had been conducted in a vacuum you know I think that we would be having a different conversation about

00:08:14.240 whether it was valid or not right but you know you start looking at that trajectory 2009 we were 35

00:08:21.720 percent you know on a question that was virtually identical right then you get to 2014 went right around

00:08:29.260 the time of the Scottish independence referendum that was the first time we crossed over a majority of

00:08:33.440 Republicans supporting the issue and that was not some you know that was a Reuters Ipsos poll right so we've

00:08:39.220 been on this trajectory for a long time but here's the bottom line polls are irrelevant what what matters is

00:08:45.960 when you get like they had in Scotland in 2014 or in the UK a couple years later when you actually put it on a

00:08:52.720 ballot let people debate the pros and cons and then have and have it culminate in a vote to express the

00:08:59.560 political will of the people of Texas yeah and so you know for those lists those listening and watching

00:09:04.120 you know we've recently uh Daniel Miller's group has attempted to put the question on the Republican

00:09:11.200 ballot yeah and it's failed um for multiple reasons well like without public support or it's an

00:09:17.320 administrative failure it was an administrative failure uh the the reasons being one uh and

00:09:22.940 these are these are from the chairman of the Republican Party it was turned in after the due

00:09:27.100 date and two that they used digital signatures so this petition so there's active sabotage is that

00:09:34.240 what's happening I mean the Republican Party does not want it yeah I mean look you got to understand

00:09:38.280 the Republican Party of Texas has two planks on its platform essentially calling for this question to be put

00:09:43.540 to the people of Texas uh the the chairman of the Republican Party of Texas screwed Texas voters

00:09:49.520 when he did what he did he he violated the Texas election code he he made a case that frankly was

00:09:57.220 was weaker than a five gallon bucket of baby piss I mean let's just be honest uh about why he rejected

00:10:03.060 it he gamed the system and he disenfranchised Texas voters having this opportunity to vote in a

00:10:08.920 non-binding way on this question march well let's let's start from the beginning right now with the

00:10:13.460 news that we have going on so uh the question of Texas independent secession the conflict now with

00:10:18.780 the feds is is bubbling up and it's it's interesting that there has been text that there's been this

00:10:23.920 interest in secession and independence but where are we now what we we know that there's been a

00:10:29.740 conflict it's a eagle pass it's Shelby Park it's not just though there's also I believe McAllen

00:10:35.760 was it was was one area where they had all these uh illegal immigrants under under this bridge or

00:10:39.400 whatever so what is the latest conflict that is happening that's resulting in the National Guard

00:10:45.180 at odds with federal agents well it's all this stuff right at the that park uh there's a Shelby

00:10:50.420 Park right and everything going on there have you had a chance to to go down there no it's crazy like

00:10:54.900 you know I I went for the first time a few months ago I believe with Ashley St. Clair and

00:10:59.380 nuance bro and um seeing it in person versus seeing like the constant videos and and everything

00:11:05.580 is way different and it's it's a total crap show down there and these people are coming in in hordes

00:11:12.340 it is really a majority men uh some children some women and you walk around and there's trash all over

00:11:19.080 the place some of the interesting things we saw pretty in a pretty common way were sim cards um

00:11:24.640 antibiotics condoms used condoms all over the place right clothes bras underwear uh is very odd

00:11:32.480 and you know this is escalating we've had we've broken records for the amount of illegal immigration

00:11:37.900 coming in and these people they come in they they find a way to cross over they'll throw they bring

00:11:42.800 blankets with them they'll throw them over the barbed wire and then they'll kind of toss each other

00:11:46.240 or hand each other over the barbed wire and you know you'll see agents come over and basically just

00:11:51.840 kind of walk them over to a staging area and then just get them processed yeah they just get them

00:11:57.420 processed and then you have some of these charities especially the catholic ones and I'm a catholic

00:12:01.240 catholic charities that come in and they provide them food or assistance or money help them process

00:12:07.580 and help them like go across the country and then their court dates are years and years down the line

00:12:12.260 these people aren't going to show up years later by then they've already figured out something else

00:12:15.760 so the issue with uh the texas national guard is there were video uh videos released several months ago

00:12:22.420 I mean it's not just about the videos about the people who've witnessed this happen where federal

00:12:25.220 agents were removing the razor wire cutting it or in one instance using heavy machinery to lift it up

00:12:30.980 allowing these people to illegally enter the United States and Texas of course yeah and you know it

00:12:36.920 wasn't just barbed wire that we put up you know Abbott put up these uh I call them pool float pool floaties

00:12:41.340 um but these orange balls right and the left was saying there was uh razor blades in the middle of it

00:12:46.240 and the the balls were meant to like deter people from coming over and I guess I think one person

00:12:52.500 like died or got injured from from from that um but a lot of like whatever governor has done has been

00:12:58.880 just deterrence and that's kind of what the razor wire is it's a deterrent we haven't actually gotten to

00:13:04.480 the point where we're you know deporting these people or removing them from the country we're just kind of

00:13:08.560 showing a force with these razor wire and you know I'm not a big fan of governor Abbott um he I believe

00:13:15.340 he can do a lot more he's a decent governor and right now I do think that he should be applauded he's doing a

00:13:20.420 decent job but a lot of what's being done and uh Wade Miller brought this up he's a great follow on

00:13:25.880 Twitter but Wade Miller brought this up and he said you know a lot of what Abbott's doing is just um

00:13:30.280 repelling these people or just sorry deterring them he's not actually removing them from the

00:13:35.200 from the country I've heard a lot of that criticism that yeah and since the beginning uh of this crisis

00:13:41.040 or I shouldn't say since the beginning but there was a period where uh the governor was loading people

00:13:44.840 up on buses and planes and sending them to other states and a lot of conservatives are cheering forth

00:13:48.640 saying haha this will show these sanctuary cities and states and to be honest I kind of did now you've

00:13:52.620 got New York uh Mayor Eric Adams saying this is going to destroy the city Mayor Johnson in Chicago

00:13:57.100 is freaking out they're talking about building internment camps for these people curfews are

00:14:00.360 being enacted all across the country immigration is becoming a pressing issue largely because Texas

00:14:05.480 said you want the problem you got it however my view is that's only exacerbating the problem

00:14:11.180 he's actually helping the Biden administration smuggle these people across the country and I

00:14:16.920 understand it made a political point however it's still a problem now at some point the governor

00:14:22.980 said that's it no more and I don't know if this is true but I heard that he's there Texas has stopped

00:14:28.160 funding the shipping of these people this this political move uh to make a point or to you know

00:14:33.340 actually alleviate the stress on Texas as well as you know make a political point but I I've heard

00:14:37.520 that slowed down as they've put up the razor wire look I I will tell you the the busing issue he's

00:14:42.940 gotten both praise and criticism 13 years ago that was that was the official position of the

00:14:48.560 organization uh of the TNM we we secured donors to do that to send to do to do that very thing just

00:14:56.320 take them straight to Washington DC that was our deal so you know the joke was when Abbott started

00:15:00.340 doing it it's like man somebody's been pouring through the archives on our website but you know

00:15:04.420 obviously no one ever took us up on it but the time to make that political point was 13 years ago

00:15:08.280 I mean Perry when Perry was governor the Obama administration enacted what was called the alien

00:15:12.820 transfer and exit program and essentially what they were doing was they were taking uh interdicted

00:15:18.540 illegal aliens from every state to the west of Texas taking them uh putting them on buses and

00:15:25.380 transporting them to Presidio Texas now let me tell you Presidio is is a very small community very

00:15:32.480 sparsely populated literally they would take them to uh on the buses they would uh pull up to

00:15:38.200 the international bridge they would point across to Mexico and they would spill them out and send

00:15:42.240 them back to Mexico but the problem with that is the only thing on the other side of that bridge is

00:15:46.480 the Chihuahuan Desert okay so what what was happening was they would get off of the bus they would cross

00:15:51.880 the bridge they would camp out they would uh go a mile or two down the border and cross right back

00:15:57.720 into the county and so the county sheriff is you know screaming like crazy because all of a sudden now

00:16:02.620 in a matter of days he's got 30,000 brand new people in this massive crisis and so you know it was

00:16:09.120 it was uh a suggestion that that we had made to essentially prove the political point but we're

00:16:14.680 at a situation with the border where making that political point was 13 years ago you know it's not

00:16:20.840 today we're we're in an unprecedented territory as far as the border surge goes and so you know I I get I

00:16:27.800 get the sentiment right I understand that you know we need to make these people wake up but at the end

00:16:33.340 of the day it's those policies that are being fostered or foisted upon Texas by the federal

00:16:40.100 government by politicians that are elected by these people in these states that are creating this problem

00:16:45.580 and Tim to your point sorry real quick just to finish what I was saying the the issue as people

00:16:49.700 argued is that Texas does not have the authority to deport well and and I don't know I I care less

00:16:55.000 about that but to your point like the the shipping of people to other states it it's like what you

00:16:59.580 said it kind of spreads the problem around and there's also using our tax dollars to fund these

00:17:03.680 people's trips right um I think it makes for a good mean and it gets the people going like sending these

00:17:08.660 illegal immigrants to other states frankly I like to see them being sent to Canada but um it doesn't

00:17:16.080 actually solve the problem and in fact you're probably benefiting them they have they can go to other

00:17:20.700 states if they need to go there Biden was probably ecstatic when he heard oh you're gonna help me

00:17:24.920 do this thank you thank you very much yeah you're gonna help me get to Chicago you're gonna help me

00:17:27.960 get to New York like yeah the Biden administration is trying to facilitate the these so it is not

00:17:33.660 just that Texas this is what's funny when Texas and Florida and other states are like ah we're gonna

00:17:37.940 put these you know criminal aliens on buses and send them out the Biden administration was like

00:17:41.600 oh we've been doing that for years thank you for for helping yeah like I said it's a good

00:17:44.640 meme and it gets the people going and it's good it's good political propaganda for our side

00:17:48.700 we're sending these we're sending these people to Democrat cities but it it does actually it doesn't

00:17:54.060 actually do anything and that's been the criticism you know you know like like Tony said I mean we've

00:18:00.260 been equally as critical of Abbott I mean I think when we were here last time we talked about this

00:18:05.000 people that's what I'm saying Abbott's not been very good for on a lot of issues people have been

00:18:09.260 very critical well yeah and I mean a lot of what you see is to score political points I mean look

00:18:13.900 case in point the the issue with the park right now right that's two and a half miles of border

00:18:19.400 right Texas has 1,254 miles of border with Mexico while all of the attention is being focused there

00:18:27.840 right now on two and a half miles you've got another 1,200 miles plus of border that are effectively

00:18:35.160 undefended and granted you know there's actions being taken there I mean you've got some with

00:18:39.700 operation lone star but there's been criticisms of that too but but I think what we're seeing here

00:18:44.640 with the park in particular is much like the issue with the busing right which is this has drawn the

00:18:50.960 attention I mean it has created the situation where there is there is no escaping there is no denying

00:18:58.120 this crisis this break between Texas and the federal government you know it's much like like we talk about

00:19:04.300 the battle of Gonzales you know I mean if people ever see that the size of the cannon that the battle

00:19:09.620 of Gonzales was fought over I mean it's tiny right I mean look there are people in Texas that own

00:19:13.880 handguns that are probably bigger than that right but but it becomes this this issue where look that

00:19:20.120 this is kind of the point right here where where we're going to essentially litigate in the public

00:19:27.340 sphere this entire crisis with the border and if it if it is really concentrated that two and a half

00:19:33.580 miles and it and it makes this happen so be it you know uh I pulled up can we pull this image

00:19:40.120 the uh the Gonzales cannon yeah for those that aren't familiar uh the gist of the story is what

00:19:45.900 was it was Mexican officials uh government wanted the cannon said turn it over and they made a they

00:19:50.160 made a flag with the cannon saying come and take it yeah and now people are posting this is really

00:19:54.040 funny I was reading a news article about what's going on uh in Texas and people have made

00:19:58.180 Gonzales razor wire uh flags just come and take it with razor wire and these news outlets don't know

00:20:04.520 what the flag is they're saying flags have been made threatening you know and enticing the federal

00:20:10.100 government to try and take the razor wire and I'm like I mean these journalists don't know what the

00:20:14.360 Gonzales flag is I mean written like true Santa Ana propagandist in the 21st century okay so um

00:20:20.680 you know it's funny I've been talking about the the fear of civil war for some time and not even in

00:20:27.800 this context and people would say to me that uh you really think states are going to line up soldiers

00:20:33.860 and go fight the federal government or I'm like no of course I've never thought that you know when

00:20:38.040 when we were talking about the prospect of civil war in 2018 or whatever it was social destabilization

00:20:44.200 rising political factions random various factions and cells fighting each other in the streets and

00:20:49.140 economic and political destabilization like you see in almost every civil war ever and now here we are

00:20:54.220 with what do we have 30 some odd states voicing their support for Texas in their defiance of the federal

00:20:59.380 government asserting authority over this over this over this uh jurisdiction and civil war is trending

00:21:06.620 because the what is separating us right now from civil war is is a thin veneer in that what happens if

00:21:14.900 today the Biden administration makes a move to federalize the Texas National Guard

00:21:19.340 serious question like what what do you as as as Texans what do you think the Texas National Guard

00:21:25.560 would do what would Greg Abbott do would they simply say well you win they're yours now well look I'll

00:21:29.840 just throw throw in my two cents because I don't know I mean well there's literally a crystal ball

00:21:34.980 there but I don't I don't I don't I don't think any of us uh have have a crystal ball on this but but

00:21:41.180 look I'll tell you literally right before we went to air um I got a message from someone who's down there

00:21:47.840 uh communicating with some of the some of the guys in the in the National Guard uh there there are

00:21:54.560 discussions happening among among the National Guard that are deployed right now about what their reaction

00:22:00.760 will be uh if they do get federalized and and look that was that was our criticism of Abbott's use of

00:22:07.340 the Texas National Guard all along is that at any point they can be called into federal service and in

00:22:13.520 order to stand down now granted there is some some legal precedent there that that says that maybe that

00:22:19.180 doesn't necessarily apply but it does create the situation what it it right and and I'm I'm I'm told

00:22:25.380 the Texas has a state guard as well we do we have a three branch military the Texas military

00:22:29.880 department's made up of three branches it's it's Air National Guard Army National Guard and the Texas

00:22:33.740 State Guard the State Guard cannot be federalized and it's been our organization's position since 2012

00:22:39.360 that that should be the primary vehicle for use uh by Texas for uh border protection simply because

00:22:46.940 it cannot be federalized I'd argue it can be because the reality is if they want to if they want to break

00:22:54.740 if they want to break the law which which they could but that creates a crisis of its own well hold on

00:22:58.640 there sir is the Biden administration current breaking the law in Texas oh well trust me I'm

00:23:02.880 not shilling saying that Biden won't break the law but what I'm saying I'm saying he is well yeah yeah

00:23:07.780 oh I get that that's not the the point that I'm making the point that I'm making is is that there

00:23:12.100 is a legal mechanism where the federal government can call the National Guard into federal service right

00:23:16.760 there is not a similar mechanism for the state guards those are protected this is this is I think

00:23:22.380 this is an important issue to bring up and it's the um I I would I guess it's the hopes and prayers

00:23:28.580 of people who have faith in words on paper second amendment says the right to keep a bear arm shall

00:23:34.440 not be infringed I gotta tell you it has been in friend infringed to you know and they they will

00:23:38.880 roll over for it I you know we all remember COVID it was the police that were arresting people it was

00:23:44.120 the police that were forcing masks on us it was the police that were keeping gyms shut down right and

00:23:48.860 these are police that you know the right spend so much time like thin blue line like support our

00:23:53.280 police and then it was the same people that were locking us up in our homes that were enforcing

00:23:58.020 these these these laws against us so yeah when when people thought um say oh yeah the the Texas

00:24:04.280 military is going to stand up against the government I don't think it's going to happen well I don't think

00:24:08.460 it'll go like that and and I and I want to I want to be very clear here because I don't I don't want

00:24:12.160 to be misunderstood on this point what we're what I'm talking about is the fact that it if right now

00:24:18.460 you're looking at this this dance between the state of Texas between the governor the attorney

00:24:23.840 general and the federal government the DOJ Department of Homeland Security and if you look

00:24:28.740 at at these letters and these responses that are going back and forth you're seeing a lot of legal

00:24:33.720 language look that's legal posturing for political purposes and so you know if you shift those duties

00:24:40.220 for border protection over to the state guard to have the federal government step up and say hey you

00:24:45.800 know what we don't care that we don't have any authority to federalize there's no mechanism for

00:24:50.700 them to do that for them to do that would be an extra legal issue that becomes political the political

00:24:56.580 ramifications are what I'm talking about so so I I agree right right now I believe that the the legal

00:25:03.680 the the legal argument for federalization has not been met and there are a few criteria that must be

00:25:09.760 met in order for the federal government to nationalize a national guard one of which is

00:25:13.580 uh the inability so so they could they will make these arguments I argue they're wrong but of

00:25:19.020 course one of the criteria is that it is impossible for the federal government to enforce existing

00:25:24.520 united states law with their current forces and require national guard to enforce that law the

00:25:30.800 administration will of course argue the law says you know if there's people here we got to bring

00:25:35.380 them in and process them oh we're being barred so we're going to need to federalize the national

00:25:38.880 guard the second is active rebellion against the united states and I don't know if they'll try and

00:25:44.480 make that argument if they do make a move because a bold statement to make for them to say texas is in

00:25:49.060 rebellion against the united states they'll likely say this is our jurisdiction the supreme court agrees

00:25:54.300 in order for us to enforce the law removing these barriers we require that texas national guard that

00:26:00.940 being said uh it's I do not believe it's legitimate the Biden administration is actively breaking the law

00:26:06.260 sure however I do believe there is a political play texas should use their state guard and not

00:26:12.780 national guard for this reason you've described in that circumstance however I'd imagine the legal

00:26:17.760 argument made by Joe Biden is there is no distinction between a state guard and a national guard it is only

00:26:24.480 them trying to assert some nebulous you know technical detail to try and avoid the legal responsibilities

00:26:30.680 of their of their of their national guard they would make that argument too which there are serious

00:26:36.300 political ramifications if the federal government did try to make that move he'd basically be

00:26:41.900 smacking everyone in texas in the face well it's game over at that point you know because and I think

00:26:47.220 this is you know this gets to the point that you were talking about a moment ago Tony about

00:26:50.700 about these these various people in positions of authority circumventing constitutional rights you know

00:26:57.780 doing the things that they do um what what we're seeing here is is frankly the thing that that I

00:27:03.720 loved about Trump's four years in office is that it created such a situation that it forced all of

00:27:10.200 this out in the open I mean it's slapping everyone in the face right and so the the thing that I think

00:27:16.100 is is quite interesting about this particular situation if it were to go down the way that that you

00:27:20.500 described is at that moment the mask is off right everyone sees it well it's look that's happening

00:27:27.480 right now it's an election year I don't this is the that's that's the biggest thing right if this

00:27:32.340 was happening it happening not in an election year I think 60 was an election year yeah true

00:27:37.100 true true but it's not on the ballot I think with the media being is so transparent now at least like

00:27:42.660 so much is exposed it's an election year this is like the worst situation for democrats to be in

00:27:47.260 and for biden to be in right this this border crisis even liberals and I don't mean like hardcore

00:27:52.600 leftists but even liberals are not happy about what's happening with the border in our country

00:27:56.600 and so this is a this is a losing issue for biden to keep allowing to happen or to be very aggressive

00:28:03.740 on my guess is that things will calm down everybody's kind of beating their chest and he may just let

00:28:10.360 texas kind of do its thing and maybe put out a bold statement it's is that normalcy bias so so my

00:28:18.600 concern is uh normalcy bias optimism bias which is optimism bias is people just think it's going to work

00:28:25.180 out in the end that this is this is the dominant view people have is like it'll be fine normalcy

00:28:31.520 biases it can't happen because it doesn't happen and which is why I bring up the point of Fort Sumter

00:28:38.020 where we look at the history book and here's a timeline and we're like the civil war started here

00:28:42.220 yet even after that people were like I'm gonna go have a picnic at the first battle of bull run

00:28:48.120 and the the I love the the art that was drawn of the moment of like the mayor's panicked holding

00:28:54.340 his hat as shots are being fired they're watching men get their guts disemboweled blood and rampage

00:29:00.100 no one thought it was going to happen despite the fact we look back and say they were already in a

00:29:04.560 civil war before it and so my concern is there are uh you know as we were mentioning this last night

00:29:12.200 on IRL there are actually really really terrifyingly simple things which could result in

00:29:18.420 just like hyper escalation uh I won't say what those things are because they are so simple for anyone to

00:29:26.020 do that someone may hear me say so I won't bring it up but yeah there there are things available to

00:29:32.040 every person where ten dollars in in in resources and you could this thing could go crazy that's how how

00:29:39.720 how uh how crazy it could it could how fast it could escalate we had a Eric Prince on the show

00:29:45.260 uh a couple weeks ago and I asked him with everything that's going on in the United States

00:29:50.580 and this is funny because I'm talking to him about this before what this this escalation on the border

00:29:54.700 and I was like do you think based on what you've seen around the world with the the jobs you've been

00:29:59.420 involved in and the controversies uh that the U.S. is entering this kind of period and he said look what

00:30:04.960 I'll tell you is everyone I've worked with who's been in a country where it's fallen to revolutions

00:30:10.580 of war whatever it happens overnight it's in an instant one day everything's normal the next day

00:30:17.120 you wake up the power's not on there's no internet you can't make a phone call and so my fear is

00:30:23.280 nobody ever wants war look they're obviously they're warmongers you know Nikki Haley can go on stage and

00:30:30.360 say something like we gotta go to Ukraine it's like yeah we get it Hillary Clinton can talk about

00:30:34.580 what she wants for war but my point is when it comes to conflicts like this I do not believe

00:30:40.840 the Biden administration is salivating at the chance to suppress a rebellion I don't think

00:30:46.320 Greg Abbott is salivating at the chance to deploy National Guard in active combat against the federal

00:30:51.400 the federal authorities but there becomes a point there comes to a point of it's a game of chicken

00:30:55.620 where neither side feels that there is an appropriate exit that can save them in these circumstances

00:31:02.100 there are a bunch of possibilities to consider let's say uh Biden announces today that in order

00:31:09.300 to enforce Supreme Court rulings and have these barriers removed they will need the assistance he

00:31:14.700 doesn't even make it a contra he doesn't make it a conflict he says thank you Texas National Guard for

00:31:18.720 all of your help we now require your assistance in securing these the securing the border he'll call

00:31:24.740 it and following the Supreme Court's orders make a move to federalize let's say that uh National Guard

00:31:32.140 in Texas they just go okay you got a bus and then word comes uh uh down from on high cut the razor wire

00:31:38.680 and remove it and instantly all the National Guard just say okay we remove all the razor wire the news

00:31:44.080 that would ripple through this country as we are facing six to ten million people flooding the photos the

00:31:50.860 videos the betrayal I mean the the confidence in government would evaporate overnight I don't know

00:31:59.000 what that leads to but governments only function off of confidence if if a guy came to your house

00:32:05.020 in a clown costume knocked on the door and said I'm officer with the clown division open up you're under

00:32:10.980 arrest you'd be like what is that this is a joke I don't respect clown division if people view law

00:32:18.320 enforcement and government much the same way they would view a random clown showing up meaning they

00:32:21.900 have no confidence that this organization is any authority they ignore it and if the authority cannot

00:32:28.420 exact uh fear they cannot maintain control so people talk about the federal government it's it's it has a

00:32:35.880 monopoly on violence the police have a monopoly on violence there is the confidence in humans in the

00:32:41.120 United States that if you break the law you'll go to jail however that's been eroded as we've seen

00:32:45.920 these mass raids on stores stores are shutting down and more and more people are starting to realize

00:32:50.380 I have no confidence that should I act inappropriately anything will be done to me or should anyone act

00:32:56.180 appropriate inappropriately to me anything will be done to them so if we come to the point where the

00:33:00.420 Biden administration acts outside act already acting outside of the law says we will make sure the

00:33:09.060 criminal aliens invading this country are unabated what happens to the view of what the federal

00:33:14.740 government can and should be doing at a time when they've already gone after the former president I

00:33:18.800 mean confidence is eroded so that the best case scenario in my opinion would be something like

00:33:24.100 that the federalization of the National Guard they all just agree there's no active conflict what that

00:33:28.920 means for the fabric of the country I don't know now however what if Greg Abbott says with sweating

00:33:34.960 bullets sitting in his office being like I do not want to do this I've never wanted to do this and he's got

00:33:40.320 people screaming in his ear being like if you let the Biden administration rip through Eagle Pass you

00:33:46.160 will not only lose your your legacy your career the state will be destroyed and you will go down in

00:33:51.940 history as one of the worst politicians this country has ever seen stand your ground and what if he just

00:33:57.740 says fine more importantly what if he's got community leaders industry leaders high profile wealthy people

00:34:04.340 of Texas being like do not let him do this to us and so he says I have no choice National Guard do not

00:34:10.540 belay those orders you are under our command reject that what happens if Joe Biden responds by saying

00:34:17.420 not I think the might the move for the federal government would be federalized the National Guard

00:34:20.320 but what if in a situation like that Joe Biden says I hereby invoke the insurrection act you are in

00:34:25.520 rebellion and we will deploy army against you those seem like and he arrests Greg Abbott and that's like

00:34:30.740 the ultimate campaign thing you see Greg Abbott get arrested and he goes to jail for like a couple

00:34:34.320 days while you know he's in insubordinate to the the federal government right and now he can run on

00:34:38.700 that I went to jail for Texas I but is he running uh well he uh he probably will he's not on the ballot

00:34:44.980 this time yeah it's off year but it's it's a great thing for him to move up if he wants to run for

00:34:49.380 VP or president whatever right um I I think like what you're saying it's possible something like this can

00:34:55.940 happen I don't think that this is that point yet people are lazy people are too comfortable as long

00:35:01.980 as Americans have internet food on the on the on the on the shelves and recreational activities

00:35:08.720 whatever else happens in the country they're fine with right I mean look how look how many people bent

00:35:13.080 over for COVID yeah I mean we couldn't leave our houses and but then you got the summer of love

00:35:18.920 these these riots that we saw across the country were not over George Floyd it was because people

00:35:25.220 you know I I think for me I didn't see this right away because I was in the suburbs I was in South

00:35:30.900 Jersey so I had a house in the backyard and you could walk around your neighborhood and do whatever

00:35:34.740 and Walmart was still open but people in New York there was nothing you know my friends were in New

00:35:39.340 York like the stores are all closed the restaurants are all closed the uh there's a few places to buy

00:35:44.200 food and you're locked in this tiny you know 400 square foot box and all these young people just went

00:35:49.940 nuts given the opportunity to go out and be angry they took it yeah so I do think that COVID did result

00:35:56.540 in the worst riots we've seen in this country in 50 years 30 plus deaths it was wild what we were

00:36:01.480 seeing and the pretext was oh but they they're racist you know George Floyd I wonder what if you're

00:36:09.220 right about Greg Abbott and he's like hey this would be great for my election prospects moving up

00:36:13.780 vice president president who knows what if Abbott the political class around him genuinely believe

00:36:22.740 and convince him the Biden administration is in free fall their approval ratings are 35 percent

00:36:28.980 the right side of history is opposition to the unpopular government stand against him I think that's

00:36:36.440 what's more likely than like Texas secession I think what's more likely is you get a a majority of states

00:36:42.740 that come together and they say we don't recognize the federal government as legitimate

00:36:47.360 we are the new federal government and it's almost like a quasi coup right why would that not escalate

00:36:52.800 into a civil war and that could right but that that my point being is that that is more likely than

00:36:57.400 Texas seceding right right right right right is that a bunch of states come together and work together

00:37:02.380 I know you don't think so I'm triggering him right now yeah that is more likely than Texas being like

00:37:07.440 you know what peace out we're we're we're leaving have you guys seen the trailer for

00:37:11.260 824 civil war look it's and here's the kind of Texan are you right something like that

00:37:15.300 well and here's the thing to think about look this idea of of a split right you want to call it a civil

00:37:22.220 war whatever you want to call it this idea that there's about to be a shake-up of the game board

00:37:27.020 uh you you think about when that trailer dropped how immediate how immediately it became the thing

00:37:35.000 everyone was talking about and look the term civil war has trended on twitter at least daily

00:37:40.840 since that trailer drop it's that conspiracy that hollywood always kind of like predictive program

00:37:46.040 yeah like and so yeah but it's really simple if you think about it you're a guy you're gonna make

00:37:51.640 a movie at a studio and you say what's what's what's generating buzz sure and they're like civil war man

00:37:56.640 if we made the movie we make a billion dollars that's really all it is well and it may be but

00:38:00.920 you have to understand those things are all sort of outcroppings of this subconscious thought here

00:38:07.120 that the united states as a political and economic entity uh is is not a fact it's not the byzantine

00:38:15.880 empire it will not be around for 1400 years right and and the fact of the matter is whatever those if

00:38:23.640 they're political pressures they're social pressures they're economic pressures uh we know that the federal

00:38:28.880 system as it stands right now is a one-size-fits-none enterprise right um you know we we know time and

00:38:35.980 time again you talked about biden's approval ratings i mean anytime you look at the approval

00:38:40.160 ratings of the u.s congress i mean typically the only thing that they're more popular than is herpes

00:38:44.600 and that depends that's actually true though it's weird and i mean you know and that depends on

00:38:49.880 what day you're asking the poll right uh i mean so you know to be to be fair ever sorry to interrupt

00:38:55.300 but you're fine when when when individuals are pulled in their districts they pull really high

00:39:00.400 and the reason congress pulls so low is you know someone will when they're asked like what do you

00:39:05.560 think about congress oh they all suck my guy's good though yeah and so individually members of

00:39:09.040 congress actually do pretty well in their polls which tells you it's a it's it's a systemic problem

00:39:12.500 right people people do not have any any trust or faith you know you mentioned confidence a moment ago

00:39:17.700 and i heard tony mention the word legitimate um you know legitimization is is the only thing i mean

00:39:24.620 that's really the the tale of of statecraft and geopolitics over the last 100 years is this this

00:39:31.300 seeking of of legitimacy but contrary you know and and look i know you tried to trigger me man it's

00:39:38.120 okay i still i still i still like you look i i'm just i'm just gonna say this you know this is the

00:39:43.880 thing that that i have one of the reasons that i have poured my soul into texas independence because

00:39:49.400 this you can see this coming i mean 1996 august 24th when i crossed that line in the sand uh i i

00:39:57.620 could you know it was on the horizon you know these political and cultural and economic pressures

00:40:02.900 didn't just drop out of space right this is not something that happened right now these trends have

00:40:08.240 been moving this direction for a long time and and so you know when marjorie taylor green or whoever

00:40:13.680 talks about national divorce or we're talking about texas becoming a self-governing independent nation

00:40:19.180 understand that what we're talking about here is a process where the people get a say in in their

00:40:25.340 government yeah and it relieves that sort of pressure because we can agree look let california

00:40:31.120 govern california let new hampshire govern new hampshire let all these other states govern themselves

00:40:35.540 we don't have to be enemies but we also don't have to bend a knee to a federal government run by two

00:40:41.260 and a half million unelected federal bureaucrats that want to give us all complimentary colonoscopies every

00:40:46.560 time we want to get on an airplane well so it's worse than than this texas is being ruled by

00:40:52.020 california what's happening is with a state like california allowing mass illegal immigration calling

00:40:58.420 themselves a sanctuary state they're being apportioned more seats in congress and more electoral college

00:41:02.720 votes so if we were i there's been varying estimates i think we had um a few members of

00:41:08.680 congress and i can't remember who who drafted the bill or the resolution or whatever i think thomas

00:41:13.180 massey pointed out um they want the the citizenship question we only count citizens towards congress

00:41:19.480 and they asked them i think california had between five and seven extra seats maybe uh it may be as a

00:41:26.420 whole democrats get five to seven extra seats because they bring in criminal aliens the way it

00:41:31.380 works is california lets in a million people they then do a sentence say look a million people we get a

00:41:37.300 seat in congress we get an electoral college vote the mistake many conservatives keep making i mean

00:41:42.160 donald trump says this is that the illegal immigrants vote no they don't voting is not the process by

00:41:47.360 which change is it is not the process by which laws are enacted laws are enacted by representatives

00:41:52.520 who make votes in congress and by representatives electoral uh college members who are elected and then will

00:41:59.660 vote for the president you do not need an illegal immigrant to cast a ballot for anyone their mere presence

00:42:06.640 on the census will give a democrat an extra vote out of the 538 they need for the presidency you know you

00:42:14.680 have what four or five extra votes because these people so they're in essence voting as to how our

00:42:20.020 system operates sure but texas has to negotiate to the federal government with people who should not

00:42:26.660 even be there and they're representing non-citizens which points to the to the fundamental brokenness of the

00:42:32.860 federal system i mean you know the scenario you just laid out i think people don't think about in in those

00:42:38.300 terms you know if it if it were about illegal aliens voting or being on a pathway to being able to vote that

00:42:44.520 that's one discussion but the fact that it creates this ideological imbalance and the federal system speaks to

00:42:51.940 the the power that the federal government has or has has stolen uh in our lives you know their ability and that's why

00:42:59.820 you see all of this every two to four years this ridiculous punch and judy show over who gets the

00:43:04.100 reins of power in washington dc is because they wield it like a club for their ideological viewpoint

00:43:09.420 so take a look at what happens in a major city like chicago the democrats will bring in 300 000

00:43:15.780 criminal aliens uh these people who uh i i criminal alien is the legal academic term and i'm not saying

00:43:21.680 that to be cute people like say illegal illegal immigrant i'm saying literally criminal aliens they enter

00:43:25.860 the country illegally they're not documented they go to chicago and it results in as joe biden put it

00:43:31.600 i'm gonna quote joe biden here the city's turn to dirt that's what he said he said that in 2007 it's

00:43:36.340 a viral clip going around right now hard-working people don't want to pay taxes into a system that's

00:43:41.840 doing this so they leave you end up with you only need in a congressional district that is

00:43:50.100 uh a large portion criminal aliens let's say your congressional district 775 000 people has 200 000

00:43:56.900 criminal aliens it's a really high number it's not really that high but it allows for the state to

00:44:02.460 get an extra congressional seat you are now only seeking votes from that half a million no longer

00:44:07.720 are you seeking to win the majority of 775 000 if they were all hard-working americans it's a harder

00:44:13.540 pitch you need to convince more americans to vote for you if you have large portions of people who can't

00:44:18.700 vote but give you the seat anyway they they are second-class citizens effectively i mean they're

00:44:22.880 not citizens but i mean like they are second class their their voice does not matter you have already

00:44:27.920 been granted the power now you need only convince a small portion to vote for you if conservatives

00:44:33.500 don't want to live in an area that's overrun by crime like we're seeing here i'll break it down like

00:44:37.300 this here's what i think is happening in the cities they're they're bringing in mass waves of

00:44:41.640 criminal aliens into new york into chicago otherwise we are seeing stores shut down and evaporate

00:44:46.960 who's going to move first conservatives this is a fact we saw the mass migration in migration from

00:44:54.400 california new york illinois into florida and texas what this means then is you've now eliminated

00:45:00.780 your political opposition and given yourself an extra congressional seat where the only people left

00:45:05.340 to vote are going to be democrats guaranteeing an extra seat in congress that cannot be opposed

00:45:10.300 yeah there's a there's a strong argument to be made because there's a lot of people that want to

00:45:13.980 abandon our cities right they want to abandon down abandoned dallas they want to abandon chicago like

00:45:18.560 what you're saying and move to the burbs and i'm a burbs guy i love the suburbs but uh there's a strong

00:45:23.120 argument to be made because of that that we shouldn't abandon them we should continue to fight for our

00:45:26.900 cities and that's getting involved in like city council elections and school board elections and

00:45:31.360 stuff and people the average person doesn't care about local politics they care more about a

00:45:37.000 presidential thing right so if you pull somebody's voting record it's all about voting in a

00:45:40.420 as a president in a presidential election nobody half most people can't name who their mayor is for

00:45:44.380 their city they can't name their reps they can't name their reps right and that's a huge problem if

00:45:49.000 you're watching this and you can't name your rep or your mayor like figure it out right because that

00:45:54.160 that is what happens locally in your town is way more important than what joe biden is doing in dc

00:45:58.780 right and um yeah to your point we're we're all abandoning our cities and now you've got this

00:46:05.040 second class person who's being represented in the government who doesn't have a vote um who well

00:46:11.400 that that's their next play yeah that is not fair that they're not heard what what state or what

00:46:16.200 city was it that allows non-citizens to now vote for city council elections yeah it's probably a good

00:46:22.040 amount california a lot of them that's absurd to me that's crazy new york is doing it and um you know

00:46:28.060 boston maybe as well it's it's it's it's insane and i think they'll start from the bottom they'll work on

00:46:33.240 like okay you know if you've got a child in the district you can vote in like school board elections

00:46:37.220 they're doing right and then that'll that'll trickle upwards like okay now you can vote in

00:46:41.260 like city elections okay you know what we've already got you voting for the mayor let's let's

00:46:45.280 allow you to vote for like state reps and congressional spots right um it's gonna get worse it is it is

00:46:51.960 in my view democrats looking at the united states as the titanic already hitting the iceberg and

00:46:57.680 deciding we're gonna steal as much of the fine china as we run to the lifeboats and it's crazy to me

00:47:02.400 it's crazy to me you can treat these these non-citizens this the demographics that vote

00:47:08.100 for liberals you can treat them horribly and they will continue to vote democrat no matter what

00:47:13.360 right well it's it's it's it's actually a simple existential question the republicans want you gone

00:47:19.080 the democrats will keep you here nothing else matters yeah and and like like the black vote the

00:47:24.460 republican party spends so much time and money trying to appeal to the black vote and and they should

00:47:30.140 but we've seen very little movement on it actually being substantial right like donald trump pardoned

00:47:36.960 a bunch of these rappers and these people for really stupid stuff and he i guess the strategy

00:47:42.580 was that he's going to win the black vote well i don't know that he's going to win the black vote but

00:47:47.240 i do think that helped because you got a lot of high profile you know rappers being like i f with trump

00:47:54.100 i guess i i mean here's the thing but what does it move the needle one percent i i look at these

00:47:57.640 high profile people i've looked at high profile political celebrities in texas and they don't

00:48:02.840 even vote i'm not going to name names but there's a substantial amount of political celebrities that

00:48:07.420 reside in texas and when i pulled their voting records these are people that literally make their

00:48:11.960 living off of politics and they don't vote right so yeah right you pardon this rapper and he's like oh

00:48:18.080 yeah i i fuck with trump but like he he's not gonna go vote and his buddy's not gonna go vote

00:48:23.300 they'd rather get high they'd rather do something else right yeah if you can't if you make your

00:48:27.460 living off politics and even you can't be bothered to go vote you think that joe schmo that listens

00:48:33.180 to rap because in his favorite rapper got pardoned you think he's gonna go and do it i don't i don't

00:48:36.500 think so didn't the guy who made that song f donald trump come around and be like yeah like he

00:48:41.140 changed his mind i think so yeah i don't know maybe i'm wrong about that i want to accuse someone of

00:48:45.420 having opinions they don't have or whatever yeah but yeah i don't see i think i think it goes back to

00:48:51.400 what i was saying as long as the internet's working the food foods on the table within the

00:48:55.720 fridge or on the shelves and they've got running water most people are just satisfied with playing

00:49:00.060 video games what does most what does most people have to do with a conflict yeah and you're right

00:49:05.420 like right it's very cheap what you were saying to trigger like a big conflict but i i think a lot

00:49:10.940 if we're looking at a conflict especially with the way people are so neutered nowadays you're looking

00:49:15.620 at something that just kind of lasts for maybe a day and then everybody's like yeah it's fine you know

00:49:20.120 and then marvel movies coming out i would uh nobody's seen watching marvel movies anymore

00:49:23.760 yeah that's true i mean i mean you didn't get the memo but no but think about this i haven't seen

00:49:27.540 one of them i mean the marvels was a steaming turd yeah it's the worst it's the worst film uh the

00:49:32.640 marvels is the lowest box office of any film including the incredible hulk which was considered the black

00:49:37.200 sheep of the marvel films but not to go into marvel specifically culturally culturally ratings have

00:49:43.860 collapsed from the emmys the grammys or whatever uh sales of movies games everything they're they're

00:49:50.400 they're flattening out well because everything has an agenda right i can't i can't my wife noticed this

00:49:56.260 and she's she's not she wasn't born and raised in america my wife knows like every single show has or

00:50:00.960 even commercial you can't turn on the tv without some sort of propaganda where it's like you got like

00:50:06.900 something right have you seen aquaman 2 no and i'm not going to you know what it's about

00:50:11.020 not what the bad guy is burning an ancient fuel which releases greenhouse gases and is causing

00:50:16.680 global warming it's like i'm just exhausted hearing he even says at the beginning they find

00:50:22.860 this ancient technology and they're like this was all covered in ice before and he goes thank god

00:50:26.360 for global warming the the only time i watch these garbage movies is when there's nothing else on on the

00:50:31.300 the american airlines flight the wi-fi entertainment channel right so like i'll watch it right but like

00:50:36.040 a great example of a movie that did well was like godzilla did you watch a godzilla minus one yet you

00:50:40.660 should right so i went because i love godzilla in general but i went thinking this was just going

00:50:46.080 to be like your typical monster movie it's going to be like kind of it's just whatever monsters

00:50:50.120 fighting but this was a phenomenal movie it had a love story there wasn't any messaging there wasn't

00:50:55.220 any real political stuff to it it was just like love story conflict giant monster overcoming that

00:51:01.200 family like all of that and it's phenomenal the one like what you know nominated for grammys you know

00:51:06.500 movie did really really well top gun maverick yeah and so they're gonna make another one yeah

00:51:10.560 and it's like pure americana right but that's why you know we're looking at these superhero movies and

00:51:15.880 they're fading this this a lot of this cultural stuff is losing its its power and its relevance

00:51:21.240 and so going back to the main point it's you don't think there would be a conflict because

00:51:25.420 most people don't care but the the reality of every single war ever is most people don't care

00:51:32.060 and uh i mean for instance you look at world war ii public sentiment was we will not be involved

00:51:37.180 it wasn't until pearl harbor when people are like now we have to care so uh this is this is not

00:51:43.960 necessarily a correct number but it is a a meme do you know how many people what percentage of

00:51:50.060 people fought in the american revolution three percent so it's not absolutely true it's mostly just

00:51:58.480 like uh very few people thought but the fighting the fighting force of the of the colonies was

00:52:04.340 something between like three and ten percent of the population look i'll give you i'll give you

00:52:08.300 another stat i mean you know from from the time of the start of the texas revolution to the end of

00:52:12.640 the battle of san jacento over 60 percent of of the people that signed up to fight in the texas

00:52:18.420 revolution in the texian army uh bailed out you know there was texas was never able to mount its full

00:52:24.680 strength on a battlefield but ultimately that that that's not what matters what matters

00:52:30.320 uh i i think and we're not talking about this i don't want to put this in in war terms because

00:52:35.640 that's not what this is but but i think you know when we talk about these these ideas that are pushing

00:52:42.160 and sort of the the the public push i think it goes back to what i said a moment ago about the the

00:52:48.860 movie you know the civil war movie you know it's we could call it predictive programming but i look at

00:52:54.140 these things as is cultural outcroppings and that's why you know you see these these cultural

00:52:58.320 manipulators in hollywood and places like that trying to move people everything you know they

00:53:02.980 got to preach at everyone but but i'm going to tell you underneath the surface where everyone is

00:53:06.880 yeah they've got internet but they also have to go to the gas pump and they got to go get groceries

00:53:11.020 and they see those prices and in underneath it all uh i think and i know particularly in texas people

00:53:16.520 are as nervous as a chihuahua crap in a peach pit and they should be so uh i'll use this example um

00:53:22.020 in order to change the name of dallas to like stalinsburg or something how many people would

00:53:29.240 you need to vote to change the name of of dallas to to stalinsburg well it's stalingrad you just need

00:53:36.920 like what a majority so just wrong and really wrong i'll give you a good example uh i recently went on

00:53:44.200 vacation to utkiagfik do you know where that is no do you know where barrow alaska is yeah yeah

00:53:50.840 barrow alaska is now called you a territory at barrow alaska was renamed in 2016 to utkiagfik

00:53:56.100 there are uh four to five like around four thousand or so people who live in the town

00:54:01.280 how many people did it take to change the name of the town so i'm told i think it was between like

00:54:07.020 is about 70 people the issue is not you need to convince a majority of people to make a political

00:54:13.200 move just those that vote what i mean just the majority of who votes is what i well but think about

00:54:17.160 what that means yeah which is not it's very little very little people specifically at the

00:54:20.960 municipal level so text it how many people do you need to vote in order to have texas declare

00:54:27.620 independence yeah i gotta be honest probably a hundred thousand well i'll tell you some more

00:54:31.440 dad and here's why so one of the guys that works uh with us that we consult with he is the foremost

00:54:36.900 expert on independence referendums worldwide his name is dr matt courtrop uh and and dr q as we call

00:54:44.060 him although we did have to warn him not to wear a q lapel pin when he visited the university of texas

00:54:48.300 because you know awkward uh but he i don't think he understood but but you know a lot of the the the

00:54:55.600 work that he's done as an academic has been about self-determination and independence movements he's

00:55:00.160 consulted with i think 14 or 15 and so um he one of the things that he pointed out was he went back

00:55:08.080 over the last hundred years dealing with these independence referendums and here's what he found on

00:55:12.780 average they drive voter turnout 85 percent wow uh and that's you know and that's with a pretty

00:55:19.820 broad sample so and and this is where i'm at with with texit or texas i think be careful yeah i think

00:55:27.300 i think it's a good um it's a good war drum and i think it gets the people going but in in like actual

00:55:35.300 moving to get it done and act and people actually being like you know what i'm going to vote today

00:55:41.400 to secede it's not it's not a real thing well here's here's the fun part about that argument is

00:55:48.500 i heard the very same thing uh from the remainers before the brexit vote it's it's the same argument

00:55:54.700 and my my thing here is is look i respect that you know one of the things that we've said time and

00:56:00.500 time again is we absolutely want to make sure that we get when this goes on a ballot that we have a

00:56:06.280 broad conversation a a big vigorous debate on the relationship between texas and the federal

00:56:12.500 government because there are people like you like you know look i think it's i think it may be a good

00:56:16.820 idea but in practice that it's problematic those things those things bear out eventually and you get

00:56:22.900 what you had in 2014 where the you know scotland said no thanks you know but then you get brexit

00:56:29.240 where you know you get over a majority so i think the issue of independence would be

00:56:34.320 so dramatic it would drive mass turnout in which you'd need a substantial amount of people to

00:56:40.260 actually be convinced to vote yes or no you have to but what what i would to go back to my point

00:56:44.380 about you know i'm saying like a hundred thousand if if today someone let's say there's an issue no

00:56:51.080 one cares about and it's like should we uh uh reroute this water pipe through this area which would

00:56:57.000 which could alter efficiency by one or two no one's gonna vote no one's gonna care you could

00:57:01.080 dramatically shift like how how plumbing operates in austin with a microscopic percentage of the vote

00:57:07.040 so when you say most people don't care about this stuff that's actually the worrying thing if it comes

00:57:14.160 down to a vote on something serious like renaming your city but no one's like i don't care what the

00:57:21.360 city's named you wake up and dallas has been renamed to stalingrad yeah it took like 2 000 people to do it

00:57:25.980 and that's my point so with an issue like independence you are going to have very very

00:57:31.880 powerful federal interests dumping billions into marketing and making sure it's the only thing that

00:57:37.000 matters which will result in turnout for sure so my concern is if you really can't convince someone to

00:57:44.060 care it becomes easier and easier to vote for one extreme or the other yeah which is what like

00:57:49.700 hollywood and the democrats are doing so much are trying to um keep people like i keep saying neutered

00:57:54.420 they want them to just be comfortable be happy like here consume your consume your slop watch your

00:57:59.740 movies right um don't worry about voting um and and it's going to continue that way until things get

00:58:06.480 really bad and i don't think we're there it needs to get really really bad for people i think we are

00:58:10.860 there i don't think i don't think we're there i think we're years off when you look at the airports

00:58:14.880 in major cities and they have hundreds to thousands of illegal immigrants in new york when they kicked

00:58:20.500 kids out of their schools so they could house illegal immigrants in chicago you have the black

00:58:25.380 community in uproar where activists are now coming out these are former democrats saying trump is the

00:58:31.140 only solution because you have illegal immigrants occupying their schools their stores and they're

00:58:38.160 wondering why it is my kid's gym is no longer in use like the the issue is now affecting regular

00:58:46.640 people in ways they don't want to deal with but see these things are cyclical like let's say trump

00:58:51.140 wins okay and then they're like oh my guy won i'm cool yeah things get a little bit bad but you know

00:58:56.060 like maybe maybe he's he sucks right maybe illegal immigration relatively stays the same but he goes

00:59:01.300 on tv and he says a lot of really great things and it keeps the people going like oh yeah you know

00:59:04.880 things are bad and yeah my gym's shutting down and yeah this and this and happening but

00:59:08.500 we got trump and the memes are cool and red team's winning right and so they relax again and then the

00:59:14.060 democrats get fired up and so these things like it's like it's a constant like pendulum swing and

00:59:18.920 it keeps it keeps one side happy and then it goes and once i don't i don't i don't i think that maybe

00:59:24.880 made sense 20 years ago with the hyperpolarization and cultural bifurcation that we've seen over the

00:59:30.240 past 10 years yeah i think we're moving past that point we're now at a point where you have

00:59:35.740 child sex change operations and shockingly the governor of ohio is trying to make sure they stay in

00:59:42.220 place you have joy reed here i'll give you i'll give you the the the remarkable uh hypocrisy of of

00:59:50.020 of these leftist arguments joy reed argues that books about adult activities should be allowed in

00:59:57.640 public schools and this happened this past week however the subject matter was so shocking msnbc

01:00:05.260 censored the words so they're like we can't let the general public hear this it's offensive but grade

01:00:11.100 school children now look you actually have people dedicating their campaigns and actively calling

01:00:17.180 for mobilization i'm talking about activist direct action because they want children to get sex changes

01:00:23.260 i look if the issue before was should we raise taxes three percent or lower them should the wealthy pay a

01:00:30.080 slightly higher progressive tax yeah i understand nobody shows up but when you have an issue where

01:00:34.380 washington state for instance will allow a pedophile to kidnap a child bring them to the state to

01:00:41.020 undergo at the age of 14 a sex change operation and there is no legal penalty for the pedophile i'm not

01:00:46.960 exaggerating it's it's a sanctuary uh uh state for child sex changes i believe it's washington i could

01:00:53.340 be wrong but i think washington oregon and this is in california are doing this if a maybe not oregon

01:00:58.300 if someone goes online and grooms your child and says yes yes get these surgeries do these things

01:01:03.800 i'll come pick you up and kidnaps your kid from nebraska yeah the state says we will not prosecute

01:01:09.800 the individual who did that these are things where i do not see us in the future reconciling uh the

01:01:17.040 example i like to use is actually oklahoma and colorado oklahoma has banned abortion outright

01:01:21.680 colorado has removed all restrictions up to the point of birth i mean these states border each other

01:01:27.140 this is a remarkable situation to be in i'm not saying in a good way i'm saying holy crap you have

01:01:32.500 a scenario perhaps where man and a woman uh are together woman gets pregnant six months in the

01:01:39.460 woman says for whatever reason this man is bad and if i have a kid with him it's i'm stuck forever i

01:01:44.900 can't do this we're not going to be able to afford it i have to abort this child let's just say seven

01:01:50.760 six months but the baby is viable the baby can survive outside the womb in the middle of the night

01:01:54.680 she gets up and she flees and starts making her way to colorado still in the state the husband

01:01:59.060 wakes up and says oh my god what's happening finds out from a friend she's going to colorado to get

01:02:03.660 an abortion he says that's my son she's going to kill my son help he goes to law enforcement and says

01:02:09.260 she is trying to commit murder and the state agrees what she is doing is illegal in fact i think it

01:02:14.580 might have been alabama or arkansas i'm not sure which state actually said it is conspiracy to commit

01:02:19.740 abortion if you plot to leave the state to go do it and we will hold you criminally liable what

01:02:25.140 happens when we get these scenarios where colorado says hurry hurry come in quick and we'll we'll

01:02:30.920 terminate the child and oklahoma says you are committing felony a felony crime by doing this

01:02:35.980 at a certain point we cannot just say it'll all be fine nothing will happen no because at a certain

01:02:41.760 point some guy is going to be like i will do everything in my power to uphold the law there there's

01:02:47.020 some really interesting questions that i've asked pro-lifers about the circumstances that we're

01:02:50.920 facing with the end of roe v wade and one is do you believe abortion is murder and i'm not going to get

01:02:56.820 too much into this because when you talk about it but typically they say yes and my response is

01:03:00.120 would you uh would you if you are witnessing a murder about to take place take action up to and

01:03:06.240 including lethal force to stop a murder from happening the answer is yes i say okay now understand what

01:03:11.200 what you've just said when colorado says at the point of birth you can terminate the life of the baby

01:03:16.300 and while people might not publicly want to say what they think they wouldn't do the sentiment is

01:03:22.000 very obvious in the bifurcation of morals in this country which perhaps like i mentioned to go back

01:03:26.880 to the main point 30 years ago yeah nobody cares about tax policy or should we you know uh have this

01:03:32.980 kind of grain or that kind of grain in surplus or whatever but now we're talking about whether or not

01:03:37.240 a state has the right to end the life of a child at nine months whether a state has the right to take a

01:03:41.540 child from your home and perform a sex change operation on them and see here's where i'm at like

01:03:45.900 these things are already happening they've been happening forever look how many abortions we had

01:03:48.920 just last year and and you know yes you'll get that that random quote-unquote extremist that will

01:03:53.540 do something very extreme that i won't talk about on here and that's that's horrible and whatever um

01:03:58.960 but the average majority of people won't they won't really act on it like i'll give you an example

01:04:03.360 but that's the point already made it's never been in any context ever the majority of people who are

01:04:09.080 required to act on something in fact there's that famous quote i always forget who said it let it never be

01:04:14.120 said that a small group of dedicated people cannot change the world indeed it's the only thing that

01:04:17.420 ever has in in most conflicts and crisis and civil wars it is always a microscopic portion of the

01:04:23.740 population that triggers mass upheaval like occupy wall street is this big historic moment in the

01:04:28.900 country and it was only at its peak a couple a hundred thousand or so people across the country

01:04:33.600 in a country of 300 million yeah i i just don't see it happening with like for example something like

01:04:40.640 like texas secession i don't see i don't see people being like it like i said it's a good meme

01:04:46.940 and it gets people fired up but in actual like when you put pen to paper it's like i want to vote to

01:04:51.940 physically leave the united states i don't think we're there yet we may get there what's more

01:04:57.620 likely is that there's one way to find out more likely is a coup like i said i i i can tell you the

01:05:03.260 strategy to guarantee that texas votes for independence and passes mail-in voting i'm not kidding

01:05:08.640 well you go you go you go door to door the there there's always a misrepresentation of what the

01:05:14.140 issue is instead of instead of asking someone would you like to vote uh do you believe that texas

01:05:20.740 should secede from union today and and and make that declaration people are gonna be like well i

01:05:24.680 don't know about that how about you said do you believe that we should return more of your tax money

01:05:27.980 to you stop taking tax money from your paycheck to the federal government and frame it in this way

01:05:32.800 and they're like i vote for secession look i mean look the way one of the things that we did to

01:05:38.120 to to reframe the discussion and tony's probably going to stick his finger down his throat because

01:05:42.780 he's heard this before but but but i mean literally how we reframed it was was simply this you know is

01:05:49.560 we're we're talking to texas voters we're asking this question if texas was already independent we

01:05:55.560 had control over our own border and immigration policy our own currency our own economic taxation

01:06:00.440 policy we had our own military we had everything that 200 other self-governing independent nations

01:06:05.740 around the world had right and instead of talking about texas we were talking about whether we would

01:06:09.940 give up that control and join the union knowing everything you know about the federal government

01:06:14.120 today would you vote to join and you know when when you reframe it in those terms people understand

01:06:20.740 that there is a case to be made that there is there is the way you know texas is the way to secure your

01:06:27.980 rights to get to get that control and the fact of the matter is the federal government cannot sell

01:06:32.520 their position what are they selling 34 trillion dollars worth of debt a collapsed border i mean

01:06:37.220 let's blowing up weddings let me let me tell you this i can prove that this issue is not going to

01:06:41.600 pass we had up daniel miller's group put forth a resolution and the resolution was to go on a ballot

01:06:48.420 for the republican primary and it was just do you think what was the specific question the state of

01:06:53.520 texas reassert its status as an independent it was just a question it wasn't even like taking action it

01:06:58.580 was just a question simple thing right and in order to end up on the ballot the state republican

01:07:05.200 executive committee of texas which is comprised of what many would argue the most conservative

01:07:11.640 right-wing people in the state voted it down well you're saying that bureaucrats voted it down

01:07:19.280 it's not bureaucrats these are they would be very upset if they were listening and you called the srec

01:07:24.340 bureaucrats these are people that are grassroots activists was it was it the general population who

01:07:29.960 voted or is it like that's and that's that's actually a good argument for why i also agree that the srec

01:07:35.120 is not a representation of the average person but this is the representation of people that are the

01:07:41.960 farthest right-leaning and i think it sounds more like a special interest group blocked uh yeah i think

01:07:46.880 i think it's easy to label them that but this is also the same group that during convention they agreed

01:07:52.100 that it should be part of the platform that texas secession should be yeah i mean it passed a

01:07:57.320 convention this is what's interesting they agreed that the party platform should include texas and

01:08:02.780 then they betrayed the and then when it actually came up for voting they didn't right even the chair

01:08:07.380 wait wait hold on you understand what you're saying 90 of people voted in favor of it look the

01:08:12.160 political establishment hey and and you know in and tony would make the argument that that the srec many

01:08:17.600 would bristle at being called the political establishment the state republican executive

01:08:20.580 committee all right the the folks that he's referring to i know that but but i would argue

01:08:24.960 that they're they're also political establishment just a different one that we would that we would

01:08:29.520 normally think would you call the majority of the srec establishment uh at this point i think that

01:08:34.660 there is a a big gulf between the srec and where the people but would you call them political hacks

01:08:40.240 and establishment i i would label probably the a good a good majority of them i gotta tell you i'm and you

01:08:46.660 may disagree but that's okay i i don't know i just know that they're gonna freak out about that well

01:08:50.720 they can but they had an opportunity look we've given the republican party three separate opportunities

01:08:56.460 to bring this question to the people and and even couched it in a way to say look we're not saying

01:09:02.300 that that uh you should pass a platform plank or come out as the republican party and declare that

01:09:08.940 texas should be independent what we're saying is you should respect article one section two of the

01:09:13.560 texas constitution enough that says that the people have the inalienable right to alter reform

01:09:18.320 or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient you should respect the people

01:09:23.180 and the constitution of texas enough to just ask the question you know what is so wrong with asking

01:09:31.460 the people of texas if they want to continue in an abusive relationship with the federal government

01:09:35.280 i i wonder uh just real quick the srec guys uh who are they what are the what is their net worth

01:09:42.120 where do they work they work for free they're not compensated they're voted in by well that's a

01:09:47.200 whole other question because well that's not that's a good point that's actually a good point

01:09:51.200 are these guys like they're compensated well no no that's not what i'm asking are these guys who

01:09:55.640 just like you know might uh be the manager at a grocery store yeah maybe maybe a contractor

01:10:00.960 who a small company yeah actually yes that's that's probably what they're all doing local

01:10:04.800 stay-at-home moms yeah quite a summer summer stay-at-home moms yeah but but look let's be

01:10:10.460 clear and and tony and i we could have an entire hour talking about what's going on with the state

01:10:16.500 republic with the state republican party right now but but let's also be honest many of those folks

01:10:21.720 are are they have political ties to a political establishment uh i mean beyond a shadow of a doubt and

01:10:28.680 and you know the the thing that i think is quite interesting is at the same meeting

01:10:32.840 that they made the decision to not put it on the ballot they also passed a financial disclosure

01:10:38.260 requirement a rule for the srec members and the chairman uh that to this point no one seems to be

01:10:44.140 able to produce uh any of those reports i mean you know to say look who's in your pocket real quick so

01:10:50.060 there was a vote what what was this vote they got 90 percent uh it was at the last convention when

01:10:56.220 they added the two planks to the platform so the so these are the state republicans that's the

01:11:00.600 grassroots look the the state republican party in texas uh the the convention most people don't

01:11:05.820 realize is the single largest political convention happens every two years yeah i mean it's in the

01:11:11.060 world i mean it's you're going to have 9 000 delegates and alternates at that thing so it represents a

01:11:16.840 broad swath of the republican party now interestingly enough the the people that we would traditionally

01:11:22.280 think of as the political establishment in texas uh you know the the squishes um in the republican

01:11:28.340 party despise the convention they despise the srec uh you're saying i mean you want to talk about a

01:11:34.620 civil war there is an internal civil war happening in the texas gop right now uh and and and it is

01:11:41.500 our part in that that entire dance right now is a small microcosm so i think you know tony to to your

01:11:49.200 point i think saying that the state republican executive committee voted it down because it's just

01:11:54.220 you know a bridge too far whatever it is i think it ignores the larger internal battle that's going

01:12:00.040 on who's in whose pocket who's in their ear who's controlling so so let's shift a little bit then in

01:12:04.680 this uh this question uh what's happening with eagle pass and the entire board the immigrant the

01:12:09.020 immigration crisis how much is this affecting the lives of the average texan it's not i mean i'm i'm in

01:12:17.060 dfw which is very far from the board yeah i mean if you're looking for direct effects i mean that

01:12:21.520 would be difficult but indirectly i mean at the moment that you create a 12 and a half billion

01:12:26.420 dollar annual hole that texas has to pay for and you're tucking into people's pockets that has

01:12:32.440 spillover effects into discussions about property taxes and sales taxes and quality of life sure

01:12:37.360 you know the average the average normie just is they turn on the news and they say oh man a bunch

01:12:41.400 of these illegals are crossing over man that's crazy sip move on with your day if abbott instead of

01:12:47.580 shipping all these uh criminal aliens across the country just drop them in austin you'd probably

01:12:52.580 get a session you know probably wouldn't know the difference i don't yeah but you know like you're

01:12:56.620 dropping them off in like like suburbs like frisco right you drop off a bunch of illegal that may do

01:13:01.080 it and actually that is maybe a good uh strategy is like instead of shipping them to these leftist

01:13:05.460 states let's start shipping like a sample size well oh perfect so so for any of my team listening be

01:13:11.220 sure to get me jeff leach's home address well so well but think about what would happen you're look

01:13:15.880 so you have this stunt where it's like let's make democrats feel what happens when criminal aliens

01:13:20.100 come in in mass and you've got crisis in these big democrat cities yeah now if you really wanted

01:13:25.880 texas to declare independence you need the same sentiment you're getting from eric adams but in

01:13:30.900 austin so you want to you want to get people to wake up and be like we're being screwed over by the

01:13:35.780 federal government you take a look what's going on right now at the national guard and cbp but

01:13:40.300 centralize all of those problems into the cities of texas and they're going to vote for

01:13:44.680 you're getting daniel ideas he's going to start running buses no no look i said earlier that ship

01:13:49.460 sailed 13 years ago i mean that was when when you needed to make the political pull but look we're

01:13:53.320 in a crisis situation i mean that's just that's kind of where i'm at and and i think i think to

01:13:58.140 tony's point i think people probably see it uh and a lot of folks just sip their beer they kind of move on

01:14:05.980 but what what the current crisis that's happening right now the two and a half miles the razor wire the

01:14:12.380 whole thing uh is i think it's making people pay attention to the issue and you know they're

01:14:17.740 having to fill in a lot i mean you know that's that's just kind of where the situation is they're

01:14:22.420 having to do a lot of catch-up we were talking about this before the show where my gauge of

01:14:26.580 whether people are caring about an issue is whether like the normie boomer starts sending me stuff and

01:14:31.280 i said that i'm starting to get normie boomer sending me clips of this show specifically and

01:14:36.580 that's really what you need the average fox news voter which is somebody who just casually sees

01:14:42.420 the news on maybe at work or at the at the airport they see this stuff happen and they move on with

01:14:47.760 their day and that's currently that is the average voter but once we start seeing normies consuming

01:14:54.080 media or content that's not fox news or cnn or washington post that's when we can start inflicting

01:14:59.880 some change so uh ian crossland co-host on tim cast iRL said that his parents are total normies

01:15:04.920 they watch msnbc and when he visited him over the holidays they were talking about uh

01:15:09.600 migrate illegal immigration and stuff and he said his parents were like this is a disaster this is

01:15:14.600 insane what's happening and it's like the one time there's been an issue you know he was he was

01:15:19.460 saying he was talking to them about ohio because they're from ohio and the child sex change bill is

01:15:24.460 going through and there was actually you know his dad's like well they're just trying to help these

01:15:28.400 kids and the mom was like no this is wrong and it's like there's some contention there with

01:15:31.640 immigration it's just like no everybody i mean this is taken over as the uh principal issue for

01:15:37.820 the american voter it's uh it's the plurality uh so the first the most important issue to americans

01:15:43.080 is immigration the second is inflation and i think the only reason that is because people don't know

01:15:46.920 that immigration affects inflation causes it to spike sure well and and look i'll tell you from a

01:15:52.200 texas perspective obviously you know that that polling has has shifted across the union you know from

01:15:58.960 immigration in the border being the number one you know to it becoming the number one issue but

01:16:04.440 for well over a decade uh when you know texas tribune university of texas released that poll

01:16:09.560 what every quarter every six months whatever it is for well over a decade now since they've been

01:16:14.000 doing that polling uh when they poll the people of texas about the most serious issue uh that that

01:16:20.240 is confronting the state you take uh immigration in the border and you combine them together and

01:16:25.520 they're the number one issue it's been on the forefront of texans minds for quite some time

01:16:30.660 i think we need to uh you know i'll i'll phrase it this way we talk a lot about politics and the srec

01:16:36.600 and you know who's voting for what and all that that's boring well no but i gotta be honest i don't

01:16:41.540 i think what we're seeing right now is completely unexpected uh as much as people are like aha tim pool

01:16:46.800 gets to talk about civil war oh he's been i was never talking about armed national guard confronting

01:16:51.860 federal agents yeah so the the question of whether or not anyone votes for anything is

01:16:57.440 not relevant to the actual discussion of what is currently happening on the border and with other

01:17:01.880 states because ain't nobody's going to vote for whether or not some anxious shaken up 19 year old

01:17:07.700 national guardsman panicking as cbp guys with guns tell him to drop his weapon no one's voting on how

01:17:13.040 he responds to that well look i'll tell you 2011 i i've written two books but i'm not an author by any

01:17:19.620 means i don't i don't write books for a living but in 2011 i wrote a book called line in the sand and

01:17:25.140 what i did in that book was pretty much put down where i thought this was going to head and i said

01:17:30.880 basically texans had three options and i think this applies for everyone if you study these trends and

01:17:37.300 you look at the internal political cultural economic pressures you take it all in tow we we have three

01:17:43.060 options you can you're going to see balkanization right that's that's one option where you just say

01:17:49.400 let's naturally let this thing fall apart which you don't want that's why it's called balkanization

01:17:54.780 no one wants mass graves and communities fighting one another the other is secession you take your

01:18:00.300 independence in your own hands you release that pressure where you have a state leave or the last

01:18:05.840 thing is capitulation where you basically just get down on your knees and you you let the federal

01:18:11.220 government take control over everything but we ultimately know that that ends in collapse as well

01:18:16.140 because they have a one size fits not approach i like to call it uh fillet the state is that on a

01:18:23.460 shirt i don't know but you know it's not sure i'd want to wear but that's basically what it is you

01:18:27.520 get on your knees and you are now in service of voters that would probably wear that shirt do not

01:18:32.620 fillet the state you know i was thinking about this too um i i i i those are those are the three

01:18:39.540 branches the forks in the road right the secession balkanization balkanization but i gotta be

01:18:44.720 honest when people have been talking about national divorce in fact national divorce is actually

01:18:48.120 trending in politics on on x right now measure that but it's not peaceful national divorce is not

01:18:52.600 possible uh i do believe that for a state like texas perhaps may be the only state capable of

01:18:58.880 actually peacefully seceding from the union for a variety of reasons but the issue with balkanization

01:19:04.520 is that too many other states are locked to each other so california is heavily reliant on the

01:19:10.260 colorado river as is uh you know um nevada and and i believe arizona as well so if if you know if

01:19:18.340 arizona i could be the mayor states wrong but if if it ups uh an up river state decides we're going

01:19:24.520 to maximize our utilization of this water source and they in any way control it which results in

01:19:31.280 those downstream being cut off from their water you have war guaranteed well look balkanization is is

01:19:36.460 really it's it's done by non-state actors right that you the the borders when you see balkanization

01:19:42.560 happen i mean go back and look at what happened in yugoslavia or look at what happened in iraq post

01:19:47.600 saddam hussein you know that nobody cared about the national borders what what they cared about was

01:19:53.480 the the territory that was owned by the people that were most like them religiously politically it's

01:19:59.440 it's a it's a reduction to violent tribalism uh and that is you know when you see things like you

01:20:05.320 you mentioned the the summer of love and the riots in the cities that is what i believe an attempt at

01:20:10.240 balkanization when you start to see those types of things happen so you know you have to there is a

01:20:15.320 very distinct difference between state actors and you know engaging in withdrawal from political bodies

01:20:21.600 versus you know a reduction to violent tribalism versus you know obviously worshiping at the feet of

01:20:29.640 the federal government so um my question really is what's what's which one of those pathways is the

01:20:37.640 most peaceful pathway to get it done you know granted you're right the federal government could react

01:20:42.320 poorly if a state made a vote and said i want to go out but if you think about the pressure that the

01:20:48.180 federal the federal government would be under right that's why i'm not real keen on what's happening on

01:20:53.600 the border right now i know it needs to happen but i don't like the fact that it had to be framed

01:20:58.540 this way whereas you had an opportunity to let texans vote on this simply because if a state goes

01:21:04.200 to the polls right now and votes themselves out right you have a very public debate the people get

01:21:10.160 a chance to vote you know people participate you get those those levels you know it becomes unquestionably

01:21:16.320 one of the largest democratic exercises that we see outside of the elections here and so imagine what

01:21:21.380 sort of pressures the federal government then becomes under if they react badly to it when frankly

01:21:26.900 they've sent people you know your age to go fight bleed and die for that same right for people around

01:21:33.480 the world tim's point i don't i don't think that this is possible without uh violence like do you

01:21:38.720 think that if if and i don't think it's going to happen and that's all that you lose oh yeah we would

01:21:44.200 not the idea of texas winning against the federal government it's not going to happen i'm sorry to

01:21:48.900 interrupt but i don't mean that i mean the moment violence starts you have lost the the the win

01:21:54.720 condition for any of us is peacefully maintaining our lives and the moments von kicks off like the

01:22:00.480 end result of any kind of conflict will never be yay we want it's going to be you sifting through

01:22:04.600 the rubble of what what you once called look at look at aleppo it's it's not a win sure well i mean

01:22:09.300 okay but but but follow that scenario right now right so let's let's let's just we're going to go

01:22:14.560 hypothetically into the future texas legislature passes a law called the texas independence referendum act

01:22:21.100 that says at a point in the future texans are going to go to the polls and answer this question

01:22:25.680 should the state of texas reassert its status as an independent nation it's not going to be a secret

01:22:30.660 i mean let's be honest if we could you know if we can get the cover of newsweek uh this edition

01:22:35.280 just by what's going on then it's going on the balance not going to be an issue so you will have

01:22:39.820 this vigorous debate and i mean it will be the normal thing that you see it'll be threats you know

01:22:45.060 it'll be the federal government saying you're going to let grandma die in a ditch texas can't make it

01:22:48.800 on its own it's going to be all that normal stuff we'll make the case and let's say that it wins so

01:22:52.840 you you have people go to the polls they vote and then the next day literally nothing happens because

01:22:59.320 literally nothing happens it doesn't mean once you have the vote that you're immediately out okay so

01:23:03.660 that's great so is the federal response going to be what when we vote is it going to be after the

01:23:09.860 vote is taken at what point does the federal government decide they're going to invoke some military

01:23:14.860 response to this thing and then what will the ultimate blowback be i mean we're talking about

01:23:20.680 hypotheticals and there's scenario you're you're presenting it's not even triggering seceding it's

01:23:26.540 just asking the question but i'm talking about even if we triggered it so let's move even farther

01:23:30.740 forward let's say for so let's say somehow you convince a good chunk of democrats which are huge in

01:23:36.280 texas and you convince the majority of republicans so you'd have the majority of democrats or a good chunk

01:23:41.360 of democrats and the majority of republicans which we don't even have close to to pass something like

01:23:45.440 this but let's say you get it done the government the federal government i think they just treat texans

01:23:51.120 if they pass this like they treat uh what's this uh these sovereign citizens you have some loony that's

01:23:56.300 like i'm a texas citizen you can't arrest me and they're like yeah this guy's loony he thinks he's a

01:23:59.640 texas sovereign citizen and they just arrest him well then it's not realistic no it is though but but see

01:24:04.740 you're you're oversimplifying the the situation you're and it's almost an attempt to downplay

01:24:09.600 the fact that when you're talking about states withdrawing from a political union and you have

01:24:15.100 these massive democratic exercises where this happens i mean you know you you paint your scenario

01:24:19.700 like that uh you know what if what if the european union had done the same thing to the united kingdom

01:24:24.640 or that scotland had done the you know the uk had done the same thing to scotland or the 100 other

01:24:30.020 you know plus examples that we see around the world over the last 100 years i mean what what would

01:24:37.260 make you think that that sort of situation would happen that they would just treat it like it was

01:24:41.300 a passing fancy or a lark you're talking about serious geopolitical ramifications for these sorts

01:24:48.300 of things especially when the federal government has gone around the world for the last 80 years and

01:24:52.680 shed blood in support of the right of self-determination you have also to factor in our foreign

01:24:57.980 country is going to recognize texas as an independent nation it's not going to happen it's not a

01:25:01.900 realistic thing we don't even have the votes the everything we find out everything texas has done

01:25:07.260 has been focused on just appealing to the republican party there's been no ballot proposition at least

01:25:12.200 a realistic one to be on the democrat ballot oh we absolutely and that's and to tim's point like

01:25:17.720 that's why i think if you're going to do this stuff it's it's the only path forward is going to

01:25:22.020 be and i don't i disavow this of course but like violence because you're not you don't have the votes

01:25:26.020 for it well but but but voting is one way to find out vote i i think voting is normalcy bias

01:25:33.060 the 1861 did not start because people voted like hey we're like and i agree with you that's my point

01:25:39.980 is like yes the only way to pass this is through violence it's but but it's it's that's not what

01:25:44.760 i'm necessarily what i'm saying uh abraham lincoln gets elected his platform in 1860 was not vote for me

01:25:52.160 and i will deploy troops to occupy southern states nobody voted for that to happen he was in power as

01:25:59.080 an executive and made the decision to do so now the states did did the representatives did vote on

01:26:03.020 seceding the fascinating thing is that several of the confederate states voted no initially and it

01:26:08.120 wasn't until abraham lincoln called for conscription to deploy you know was it like 15 000 troops or

01:26:13.920 whatever he was trying to conscript that my my point here is this voting does not matter right now

01:26:19.900 with this with the current context of what's happening with all of these states i mean look

01:26:23.900 florida's deployed personnel to texas true nebraska has deployed personnel to texas and donald trump

01:26:29.620 has just called on willing states to deploy their national guard to texas the issue is not whether

01:26:37.460 or not you get a vote it's an issue of whether or not the federal government decides or texas decides

01:26:43.160 we will not back down and with this will escalate to the next step no one's going to vote no like i'll

01:26:48.200 put it this way nobody voted for greg abbott to deploy national guard to repel federal agents

01:26:51.880 he is in charge he runs on that platform right and nobody no no serious politician in texas no

01:26:58.680 serious one is actively platforming or running on texas secession not a serious one but that's

01:27:05.980 clowns that do but not any real ones and and neither did the confederate states they did not say vote for

01:27:11.720 me so that in two years we can vote to secede they said i will defend your homes and your rights vote

01:27:16.320 for me but even in the current scenario what's happening is these these other states and this

01:27:20.440 is what i said in the beginning of the show what's more likely these other states are partnering with

01:27:24.960 us with us and working with us and agreeing with us yeah we need to help you guys out and secure your

01:27:29.740 border that is not saying hey we we agree with you guys you need to leave like get the hell out of

01:27:34.240 here right do you do you know why southerners fought in the civil war it was like property i think

01:27:39.920 people argue it's property rights no sort of maybe because they felt like their homes were being

01:27:45.160 invaded that's why southerners fought in the civil war if you're talking about the rank and file

01:27:49.620 soldier that was their primary motivation the the principal argument made by a lot of people is like

01:27:54.060 what caused civil war slavery i mean over overarching it was it was the uh whether or not abraham lincoln

01:27:59.240 would abolish slavery the confederate states felt that he would despite the fact his argument was no

01:28:03.400 you can keep it but no one else can have any more and only around five percent of people in the

01:28:07.580 country actually owned slaves right the average southerner was not moralized and uh charged up over the

01:28:14.900 idea of we must defend slavery the average southerner was sitting there and they're called

01:28:20.520 they're called to to join arms because union soldiers were invading their state and putting

01:28:25.920 their mothers their brothers their sisters in in in death's path and so how do you convince someone

01:28:32.360 to defend to to fight in a civil war to fight in any war you're not going to go to them and say

01:28:37.880 hey you know five percent of these wealthy plantation owners own slaves defend them they're going to be

01:28:41.720 like huh no what happens is hey the union is is deploying troops and they're marching on your farm

01:28:47.880 right now jim in three days they'll be at your house and he's like tell me what to do man they

01:28:54.880 don't care about that so when i'm when we're looking at what's going on it is true that there are and this

01:29:00.940 is an important distinction as well people make a lot of assumptions about war probably because they

01:29:05.040 watch too many movies in uh the the secession of i think virginia initially was like two to one

01:29:11.000 against secession and then it became like two to one for secession meaning you had large loyalist

01:29:15.920 factions in southern states that did not want to secede at all and you actually had pro-confederate

01:29:20.840 sentiment in northern states to a lesser degree in fact uh one of the most interesting things is

01:29:25.120 maryland which is north of dc and was a slave state so abraham lincoln what did he do he went in

01:29:31.020 and arrested the members of the state legislature who were in favor of of uh slavery or secession

01:29:35.360 delaware also was a slave state the things that end up going down are never due to set public

01:29:41.100 sentiment here's what i want here's what i don't want it's nobody voted for abraham lincoln to deploy

01:29:45.860 troops nobody voted for anyone to fire on fort sumter they voted for hold my state in the best

01:29:51.280 interests that you can and so if greg abbott as governor decides and it's not going to be him saying

01:29:58.700 you know what we're gonna go to civil war that's not what happens what's gonna happen is they're gonna

01:30:04.220 say sir several armed border patrol agents have just aimed their weapons at our guardsmen and

01:30:09.780 order them to drop their weapons our our our you know commanding the commanding officer down there

01:30:15.220 told them stand to not not to stand down what should we do the question is not we hereby declare war and

01:30:22.600 they bang the table it's tell our men not to back down what happens from there i mean who knows

01:30:28.120 and that's why i keep saying i uh that scenario and what comes from that

01:30:34.220 what is more likely is a bunch of states get together and stage like a coup of some sort or

01:30:39.600 don't recognize it that's more likely than texas being like peace out we're done i i i agree and uh

01:30:45.040 and i i believe the view there is if the if if everybody looks at biden's approval rating

01:30:51.160 and they're not thinking of civil war or conflict of federal government they're thinking

01:30:54.640 biden has zero popularity we actually are the united states and by standing firm with this position in

01:31:01.420 texas national guard then come 20 come november we win the election and everything is just normal

01:31:05.960 and stable i uh people are calling this the lone star rebellion i shouldn't say people there's a

01:31:10.940 meme going around showing all the states they lone star rebellion i'm like texas is not in rebellion

01:31:14.420 texas is upholding the law as codified by congress and their state the biden administration has gone

01:31:19.760 rogue if republican governors feel that way as well deploy troops to support that i i honestly don't

01:31:27.100 think people would get behind the biden administration absolutely not to enough of a degree and then

01:31:31.100 what happens is november there's an election he's just the democrats lose power tremendously

01:31:35.460 republicans win and the united states remains the united states without conflict and then that's why

01:31:38.740 i think like this is an absolute disaster for biden trump is like people they do not want trump

01:31:43.460 and they will continue to do everything to keep him off the ballot they do not want him right

01:31:48.340 and that's why you're seeing nikki haley now appeal to democrats to come vote in the republican

01:31:52.300 republicans want him and moderates want him yeah and gen z want this is the craziest thing yeah and

01:31:58.320 and oh man the the the fact the gen z ideology and mentality of of it's just crazy to me i can't

01:32:05.600 understand i well it's based the a 28 of gen z are leftist are far left it's it's it's a cultural

01:32:12.920 bifurcation donald trump is winning gen z three polls came out there's numerous articles from left in

01:32:18.760 publications saying democrats are panicking over losing gen z to donald trump and that's why it's

01:32:22.280 so crazy to me because like they the millennials are completely lost right like i'm a millennial

01:32:27.340 like our generation's completely lost yeah uh but the gen z like they and it's it's such a it's such

01:32:33.660 a weird demographic right these i think the majority of them don't have driver's licenses they they're

01:32:38.600 more connected to they grew up with the internet right um and um they they love donald trump and it's

01:32:45.480 just so interesting to me to see why they're so into it and they're and they're so about being based

01:32:50.980 versus like the average millennial is just consuming i i just content i'm gonna i'm gonna

01:32:55.220 tell you what my one theory i have there's a viral video of uh gen z guy showing a micro apartment in

01:33:01.560 new york city it's two thousand dollars for 55 square feet congratulations if you can find a job

01:33:07.800 good luck maybe you can live in a closet at the same time this gen z 20 22 year old in new york city who

01:33:15.400 just got their degree and is trying to find a job notices there's a lot of criminal aliens being given

01:33:20.100 hotel rooms with beds tvs and bathrooms yeah and the and debit cards and cash and the best they can

01:33:26.180 muster up is sharing a closet with a friend at a thousand bucks a month each and then donald trump

01:33:31.540 comes or comes up to you on the tv and says they're stealing from you ripping you off they're giving

01:33:36.040 these people your hotel rooms and this gen z kid maybe a lot of them don't want to admit it but

01:33:40.920 they're probably thinking like man i just i'd love to have my own place i'd love to just be able to get

01:33:45.700 a good job that pays money and i feel comfortable i hang out with my friends i can get a drink at night

01:33:48.860 joe biden's offering me making everything worse and donald trump is offering to bring back the

01:33:53.920 american dream and that's why um i keep telling like republican groups they keep uh running on taxes

01:33:59.660 and taxes and property rights and property values and all this stuff the average zoomer the average

01:34:05.360 gen z kid they're they may not own a home ever it's just so it's insanely expensive even in texas the

01:34:11.200 property values are going up i'm paying more taxes on my place uh and and instead they should

01:34:16.960 campaign on what you're talking about like you've got a demographic of people in this case illegal

01:34:22.700 immigrants that the government is catering to and assisting and helping out and you grew up here

01:34:28.840 you were born and raised here you love your country your state and nobody wants to give you a thing

01:34:34.600 what did we have in texas i think it was utd uh one of our colleges was providing financial assistance

01:34:40.640 like tax dollars to illegals and not regular young and not a regular people imagine what it must be

01:34:47.800 like to be in your own home let's say you're you're you're in your own house with your family

01:34:53.500 and you wake up you come downstairs and you say what's for breakfast and family member mom or whoever

01:35:00.920 was cooking says oh we have no breakfast for you i'm sorry and then seven guys from down the street show

01:35:06.740 up and start eating pancakes they your your your mom or whoever's pouring them orange juice and

01:35:11.180 laughing and you're like i i live here yeah i live here can i have like russia after the revolution

01:35:16.500 by the way i remember it was unt that did this and i think they got trouble for it well that's denton

01:35:21.660 man that i mean unt i mean that's a whole other these colleges are out of control i just it's like

01:35:26.520 imagine you uh you go to your dad and this is for gen z and you're like yo dad can i borrow the car

01:35:31.360 me and my friends want to go to the movies he's like sorry i can't a couple of guys from down the

01:35:35.340 street showed up i don't know who they are but they wanted to borrow the car so i let them take

01:35:37.960 it you'd be like what that's what's happening in new york to gen z everything that they're

01:35:43.680 supposed to inherit i you know i remember crossing the williamsburg bridge once man that thing is

01:35:48.320 massive and it's a fun it's fun to walk across williamsburg bridge i do think so i don't know if

01:35:53.060 you ever have you ever done it you've been in the city and all the bridges are fun manhattan bridge

01:35:56.300 and you can see you're way high up and you can look across and see everything and i'm like

01:36:00.100 i didn't spend a single penny to build this i did not pay taxes to build it i showed up to new york

01:36:06.840 one day walked across this bridge and had a heck of a time thank you to the people who invested their

01:36:14.140 blood sweat and tears to build this so that in my life i could freely walk across it and experience

01:36:20.260 that luxury there is a gift given to us by the generations that come before us that we inherit

01:36:27.140 and this may not be the first time in history but for the united states one of the first times

01:36:32.320 the next generation that is to inherit the gifts from those who planted trees whose shade they know

01:36:38.040 they would never sit beneath is being handed to strangers from a foreign land and who came here

01:36:44.240 illegally in violation of the law and when you were told we have worked really hard and we will we

01:36:49.500 will bestow upon you this gift as you as you come into age and inherit the system they're now being

01:36:54.200 told to f off this random guy who showed up we don't know he gets your stuff instead and do you

01:36:59.500 think these these people that come here do you think that they have any sort of american pride or

01:37:04.300 any kind of appreciation for what our country's doing for them actively that's why i get i get so mad

01:37:08.980 when i see people flying flags of foreign countries and i probably shouldn't but like when i see like

01:37:13.660 and i'm hispanic when i see mexican flags being flown around puerto rican flags whatever the other

01:37:18.740 country's flags i get i get i genuinely get like frustrated it is it is it's an it's an insult

01:37:25.000 it's it's like someone showing up to your house and stealing your food and laughing because you

01:37:28.780 can't do anything about it and then they're there they take your food and they go to their neighbor's

01:37:32.240 house and you're just like what is what is this you know when i went to the the border um they were

01:37:36.580 we were interviewing these these illegal migrants and they were laughing about it and uh it took

01:37:42.700 everything in me not to just flip out they were laughing about what was happening on and then

01:37:47.480 and crossing over and stuff and you know another interesting thing kind of off topic we were

01:37:51.880 talking to some of them and some of them were telling us we can't talk about some of these

01:37:56.160 things that we want to talk about with you because the cartel will see this and they will come after

01:38:00.300 us i i have uh ashley st claire reported that there are major airline plane tickets that say no name

01:38:07.300 given i have seen them so i have confirmed the existence of such boarding passes there is they're

01:38:14.180 they're working on ashley is working on this big story which um i don't know when or how they're

01:38:18.800 releasing it or whatever but there's also many other uh things that uh is being done by these

01:38:25.080 major airlines and the federal government which would man i'd love to just say but it's not it's

01:38:31.340 not my story and it's not details that you know i've vetted and there's people who are whose lives

01:38:36.000 at risk but i really really like ashley and the people she's working with need to get this

01:38:40.480 information out there's that viral video out of winchester new york where they're smuggling

01:38:45.840 children there's a human smuggling operation going on plane lands in the middle of the night

01:38:49.800 and one of the guys facilitating it says if the american people knew what the biden administration

01:38:53.620 was was doing there would be a revolution and the stuff that i'm seeing from ashley i'm just like

01:38:58.580 if these things appeared on like times square billboards if there was a super bowl commercial if

01:39:06.360 people were just made aware of what's going on you you'd have a you'd have at the very least a

01:39:11.080 political revolution come november the likes of which we've never seen and and so many people

01:39:16.040 this stuff's happening on a day-to-day and people just don't see it because the media is not talking

01:39:20.120 about it i uh i went to the airport your flashlight's on oops sorry uh went to the airport coming back

01:39:25.820 from um one of these tp usa events and ran into uh was there with sean fitzgerald actual justice

01:39:32.180 warrior in nuance bro and uh we ran into taylor hansen and he he called us up and he said

01:39:36.660 they they have illegals here and they're they're letting them through tsa oh that was right that

01:39:41.620 was wild yeah we were there point okay yeah and so me and sean are like we've got to go see this so

01:39:46.920 we we we run downstairs and we run into nuance bro and we we're walking through the the terminals

01:39:54.620 and nuance notices like this group of people and they've got they've all got these like folders with

01:40:00.560 them like specific folders and so he starts speaking to them in french like this this horrible

01:40:06.720 version of french and we confirm and he showed this guy shows him his paperwork and these catholic

01:40:11.460 charities are providing them paperwork and stuff right and here's where it's funny so we're

01:40:15.780 interviewing these people we i can see like these leftists and you know they're leftists because

01:40:19.160 they're wearing masks in the airport watching us right and i'm i'm very i'm very obviously brown

01:40:24.440 nuance is very obviously brown and sean is like in the corner like watching us too and after we

01:40:29.480 interview these people me and nuance leave to go like sit down and look at what we're what we were

01:40:33.000 filming and like cut the video and stuff to put it out and this this leftist goes and instead of

01:40:37.460 coming to us to complain to me and nuance about insulting these these illegals she goes to sean

01:40:43.180 and she's like why are you filming illegals why are you why are you guys treating them this way blah

01:40:47.980 blah blah she's like complaining to him and sean tells her i don't know who those guys are

01:40:51.940 and then like as soon as he's done saying that he comes and sits next to us it's like really hilarious

01:40:56.620 but this stuff's happening this is this is actually a really wild story uh turning point usa is in

01:41:01.880 arizona yeah and so you get the biggest gathering of i i i think it's fair to say conservative

01:41:10.100 influencers granted to be fair there's libertarians there that are there as well and and post liberals

01:41:15.080 because that's a big thing happening now but the biggest gathering of the right and they're all going

01:41:20.160 through the airport and they're all posting videos being like yo there are like just masses of of

01:41:27.380 criminal aliens here with the envelopes and it's funny because you get these uh these leftists on

01:41:31.940 twitter being like why are you uh one of them uh who was it mike i think hassan piker might have posted

01:41:37.000 this something like sees foreign looking person these migrants yeah and they're making the point like

01:41:42.320 they're probably just regular people and ashley st claire is like they're all holding migrant packages

01:41:47.160 yeah they they have this specific thing instruction booklets of like how to fly yeah and of course as

01:41:53.820 i mentioned ashley has uh has already broken the story that they have boarding passes that say no

01:41:58.380 name given yeah it's an organized criminal enterprise these people like hassan crack me up because this

01:42:03.620 this these guys they live very affluent lives which is nothing wrong with that but they don't actually

01:42:08.660 go out and see what's happening they they'd rather sit in front of a camera and talk about it but

01:42:13.680 yeah you you he can easily it's easy very easy for him to be like oh they're targeting these just

01:42:17.820 brown people just based off the the amount of melanin in their skin but it's like no dude they've got

01:42:21.860 these they've got these they've all got these packets right i was at the airport and security had

01:42:27.540 to come and i put this up on my twitter security had to come and escort a migrant out because he had

01:42:31.520 walked into the women's restroom wow and it's like i mean it's very obvious that it's a woman's

01:42:36.420 you got the dress and everything right and uh of the silhouette and he walks in there just casually

01:42:41.240 and you can see all these women like freak out and they have to escort him out i uh i think the

01:42:47.100 gate agents the pilots the flight attendants i think the uh tsa i think cbp any one of these

01:42:56.160 individuals who is aware that they are facilitating human smuggling operations should be criminally

01:43:01.360 charged absolutely and you know the majority of these people are leftists like the majority is

01:43:05.020 flight attendants they're all hardcore well there's a one of the videos i saw come out of tp usa might

01:43:10.060 have been nuanced but i'm not sure was when one of these conservative people uh from the from the

01:43:14.900 event were filming one of the flight attendants says why do you even care if people are flying

01:43:19.880 these flight attendants absolutely are leftists who know they're facilitating criminal activities

01:43:25.080 and i want to stress this because i pulled this up from the doj multiple times

01:43:28.660 uh two two uh u.s enlisted soldiers who went to prison not for crossing the border illegally with

01:43:36.280 criminal aliens but for giving them a ride from uh near the border to their destination where they

01:43:42.200 would be facilitated and transported so several years ago into the trump administration it is federally

01:43:47.220 illegal it is state level illegal and you have cbp agents i saw a video where they opened the border

01:43:54.380 barrier and let people walk through they're human smugglers so you know i i've said this numerous

01:44:00.680 times i'll say the same thing for the gate agents and the pilots of these planes i've had pilots who

01:44:05.560 are fans of the show say i did you know i only found out after the fact that they that they had these

01:44:10.520 people on my on my plane and i'm like it's a very difficult position to be in but i draw the line

01:44:16.580 human smuggling and so people will say to me you know oh tim you're so hard on people saying that

01:44:21.980 they should risk losing their job by speaking up and i'm like my friends listen please hear me

01:44:25.440 i am not saying anyone should go to their job and advocate for murder death or violence i am not

01:44:30.920 saying that people should go to their jobs and scream in their bosses faces quite literally the

01:44:34.600 point i've made is if you are at work and someone asks you who you're voting for you should freely say

01:44:38.780 i'm gonna vote for donald trump if you want to if that's who you're voting for my point is if

01:44:43.400 everybody who was supporting trump just calmly said here's why you would not have the fear of cancel

01:44:48.740 culture because everybody would be free to express their political opinion i am not saying

01:44:52.600 destroy your life you know uh to advocate for violence or anything that crazy you shouldn't

01:44:58.640 advocate for violence at all in the instance however that someone comes to me and says tim i understand

01:45:04.400 what you're saying about speaking up saying i support donald trump but if i lose my job i can't

01:45:08.120 feed my kids my family and pay my rent my response is i understand i know that's very very hard

01:45:12.880 i wish you could but it's tough fair point if someone comes to me and says tim i cannot quit

01:45:19.860 my job how am i going to feed my kids i say what's your job and you go i'm a pilot who facilitates

01:45:24.800 human smuggling operations i would say i look forward to seeing you in prison but but i can't

01:45:28.980 quit my job i'm a commercial airline pilot i'm like how about when you notice and i'm not trying

01:45:34.480 to be i'm like i understand this is a very very difficult thing for everybody if you are if you are

01:45:39.300 sitting in the cockpit preparing for the flight and they make you aware that there will be criminal

01:45:44.020 aliens part of a human smuggling operation being brought into your plane you simply say i am afraid

01:45:50.060 that if i fly this plane i'll be committing a crime transporting uh and you can show them the doj

01:45:55.740 this i i mean this you can google search doj criminal charges transporting illegal aliens and say

01:46:02.240 you like you can fire me right now but i'm afraid that if i actually transport these people i'll be

01:46:08.500 in violation of federal law and i won't do it that's a very very different thing from saying i

01:46:13.780 don't want to speak my opinion my job which i understand that being said am i supposed to have

01:46:19.440 sympathy for someone who knowingly engages in human smuggling and won't stop doing it i don't

01:46:25.080 understand this well look they you know they do it under the color of law right i mean it's it's the

01:46:29.180 nuremberg defense uh you know they process these guys give them asylum claims with dates far in the

01:46:34.720 future uh and then so now now it's official right those people are officially here under the under the

01:46:41.780 us's asylum policy and i can i do understand they're trying to make some kind of legal defense but i will

01:46:45.820 stress army uh military men gave a ride to illegal aliens in the united states and were criminally

01:46:53.460 charged for it the idea that cbp would remove border barriers and open the barrier to allow them to

01:46:59.880 come in that's the crime that's facilitation you want to you want to argue after the fact it's like

01:47:05.020 uh the person who smuggled them into the country was you like if a private citizen opened up one of

01:47:11.400 the gates the at the at the bollard fencing and let migrants in no question that's illegal you can't

01:47:16.760 wear a badge and claim you're not breaking the law a cop goes to a bank and says i need to take all

01:47:20.540 your money i'm not robbing the bank it's it's a procedural and here's what the core issue is the

01:47:24.460 core issue is like the the government and these agencies they don't view these illegals as illegal

01:47:28.580 they're um they're they're they're migrants they're coming here because their government's going after

01:47:33.360 them or the barrier for this and this is what this is what pisses me off about the left they they claim

01:47:38.620 that these people and the right does this too we want them to come here legally that's that's what

01:47:43.040 the government considers them doing they're coming over and they're saying oh the cartel's after me

01:47:47.200 or oh you know my government's trying to do something against me that's why i need to uh claim asylum

01:47:52.320 here these people the the barrier for what they need to claim asylum is so low and the government

01:47:59.380 considers that legal we need to raise the barrier on what is the minimum requirements for being able

01:48:06.360 to claim asylum and frankly they should be like a lot of these people are coming from like south

01:48:10.060 america these other countries should attempt to assist them on their way up here i don't know why

01:48:14.160 their their first stop is the united states this is one of the things i brought up quite a bit i mean

01:48:17.280 these people are not mexican and right you know people don't understand there was a few years ago when the

01:48:21.920 when the massive caravans were coming vox.com and the la times ran the story where they asked one of

01:48:27.760 the migrants why are they coming to the united states and they said one one said i miss buffalo

01:48:31.640 wild wings mexico has buffalo wild wings too mexico is actually a beautiful country mexico city is

01:48:37.440 amazing and there's a video where they were offered asylum a full status in mexico and one of the guys

01:48:46.020 leading the caravan says how many of you want to stay in mexico nobody says anything how many of you

01:48:49.840 want to continue to the united states they go yeah so you're given asylum you're given an opportunity

01:48:55.600 but they want to come here instead we have a super chat uh big boys uh asked thoughts on oklahoma

01:49:00.940 governor kevin stitt talking about civil war last night and he would fight uh and he would fight the

01:49:06.600 federal government if he had to so uh just real quick i looked this up the daily beast ran a story

01:49:11.960 newsmax airs alarming discussion of civil war with federal government oklahoma governor kevin stitt and

01:49:17.560 newsmax host carl higby mused thursday about a potential force-on-force conflict between texas

01:49:22.760 and the biden administration after the supreme court ruling higby began by telling stitt that

01:49:26.960 there's rumblings that joe biden should or may actually federalize the national guard take that

01:49:31.220 power from greg abbott in response to the high court's ruling governor abbott remained defiant saying

01:49:36.380 in a statement i will continue to defend texas this we understand they're going to say quote let's say

01:49:40.920 this showdown i mean that's what it is it's a showdown it's a showdown of power and loyalties and

01:49:45.280 constitutionality let's say biden does that the newsmax host theorized how many people say no you

01:49:51.440 know what screw you biden administration and how many people stay and fight with texas versus the

01:49:56.440 federal things and does this put us on a course for force-on-force conflict stitt called the

01:50:01.660 situation which has so far seen several migrant deaths very weird while adding that the clash is

01:50:06.480 a powder keg for tension quote we certainly stand with texas on the right to defend themselves

01:50:10.360 but biden is going to be in a tough situation so in other words he's going to try to federalize

01:50:14.540 these troops in other words put them on federal orders and so now their allegiance technically

01:50:18.840 goes to the president of the united states instead of the governor the dispute between texas and the

01:50:22.600 federal government blah blah blah blah as for how those in the texas national guard would act if

01:50:27.000 biden were likewise to use his authority stitt said quote i think they would be in a difficult position

01:50:31.880 to protect their homeland or to follow what biden's saying it's very interesting but then you know then

01:50:36.720 you've got oklahoma and florida and tennessee and you've got these other states that would send our

01:50:40.400 national guard to help and support the efforts of governor abbott because every state is a border

01:50:44.720 state so it's a longer conversation i don't know that he's actually saying they will will fight

01:50:51.400 yeah i don't think so it's a big click baity but okay look i think it's i think it's important at

01:50:55.620 this moment to recognize that oklahoma is in fact the largest county in texas um you know large enough

01:51:01.700 that it has its own governor it has a has a the world's biggest casino are one of the world's biggest

01:51:06.280 casinos actually because texas doesn't allow gambling well there you go not yet well no that's

01:51:10.700 a that's a whole other conversation about policy direction in texas but look i mean you know again

01:51:15.860 i don't think those those comments are unsurprising i mean we're we're seeing we're seeing states and

01:51:21.840 officials from those states lining up in support of of texas action related to the border against the

01:51:27.840 federal government and fighting back against federal overreach so i mean nope no shocker i think it's just

01:51:32.200 campaign rhetoric i mean it could be i mean you know but maybe i'm just so blackpilled on

01:51:36.980 campaigns campaign rhetoric is enough to get you arrested and put in prison yeah sure enough to

01:51:40.820 get you elected well but you know the other part about and look i mean we could we can also have that

01:51:45.020 conversation about how unfortunately for many many years now i mean think about when i said a moment ago

01:51:51.820 that we first made the the bus uh argument right or the state guard argument uh this the border issue

01:52:00.340 has been a massive issue in texas for quite some time it's been a concern and politicians in texas

01:52:06.760 particularly those that are considered establishment politicians know that all they have to do they're

01:52:12.980 like they're like uh peter in in office space right they got to just go in and do enough not to get

01:52:17.560 fired right but but in the in this case and it's been a criticism for for uh for abbott as well is they

01:52:24.880 just have to go do enough legislatively enough of a show that they can put something on a campaign

01:52:30.460 mailer when it comes time to campaign you know we're in a little bit different territory and i

01:52:34.660 think you could make the case that maybe there is some some bluster here but but sometimes things take

01:52:40.100 on a life of their own and this is the situation that we're in right now i mean when you have these

01:52:46.060 these letters and lawsuits flying back and forth and you've got these these governors stepping up and

01:52:52.620 saying look we're with texas and you've got congressmen calling on biden to federalize the

01:52:58.260 the guard and start arresting people now we're we're in a different territory it may be it may

01:53:03.440 have started as campaign rhetoric uh or it might have had sincere motivations at the end of the day

01:53:08.800 i could eat a three pound block of cheese and couldn't give less of a crap how it started or what

01:53:13.460 the motivations are the the fact of the matter is is the moment that we're in right now is pointing us

01:53:19.500 inevitably toward this this clash between the state and the federal government i think

01:53:23.600 conservatives are not listening to what democrats are saying when they say insurrection we we don't

01:53:32.860 believe an insurrection happened because i think any sane and rational person would just be like it

01:53:36.900 was a bad riot and also a lot of people protesting and parading but insurrection i mean come on that's

01:53:41.700 not an insurrection the democrats are saying it is the democrats are saying on january 6 2021

01:53:48.260 the sitting president of the united states tried to engage in a sit in a coup they literally call

01:53:54.660 it a coup attempt and tried to invoke a civil war in this country and when they say that donald trump

01:54:02.140 is actively engaged and blah blah blah they are telling you they believe we are actively in a civil

01:54:10.240 war right now but people on the right aren't listening to what they mean when they say donald trump

01:54:16.420 should be removed from the ballot for waging insurrection they are saying the front runner

01:54:22.540 for the republican for the president for the presidency outside of political party

01:54:25.640 has attempted to start a civil war and actually deployed troops in support of him to subvert the

01:54:33.820 u.s government we have to stop him by any means necessary and republicans go there was no

01:54:38.920 insurrection what you're talking about you think where do you think democrats are taking this when

01:54:42.840 they claim we we look at the efforts to remove donald trump from the ballot as lawfare i don't i

01:54:49.100 don't think they view it as lawfare i think they are quite literally saying we are at war and you

01:54:53.800 started it look political scientists journalists from around the world are are over here right now and

01:55:01.860 have been for years looking at this place like a like an unfolding case study on how political unions

01:55:09.800 collapse um i can remember recently sitting down for an interview with a french documentary crew

01:55:15.680 we were the last stop they had gone city after city after city they'd been over here for i think

01:55:21.880 about two or three weeks in the entire documentary that they're working on is about um the the

01:55:29.040 polarization and i think it's incorrect to call it polarization because typically you think there are

01:55:34.520 two polls this is a a fragmentation uh that that splits across all kinds of different lines but but

01:55:42.080 it's here we are in that situation and to your point anyone who thinks that all of this just cropped

01:55:48.420 up yesterday this has been a cold civil war brewing for a long time and the opposition i mean you literally

01:55:54.420 had biden and and kamala crisscross the united states during their campaign and and threatening

01:56:02.020 to pour gas and light matches on everything that that folks like us you know in our core values

01:56:09.340 and and yes what drove me nuts when republicans were like you know congratulations joe biden you know

01:56:14.440 i don't like him i don't agree with your process like look man i don't congratulate an arsonist who

01:56:19.500 threatened to arson for two years on setting a fire have you have you seen biden's first campaign

01:56:24.280 out of the year no the it's remarkable i remember you know i've only been uh i would say

01:56:32.000 a functioning member of society for only a couple presidencies like i'm a child during

01:56:36.620 bill clinton what does that i mean you can call that functioning member of society but i'm like

01:56:39.640 a little kid i don't know what's going on i'm not working don't be bragging about your youth

01:56:42.820 but uh 37 but uh you you know in my life i've seen george w bush and i'm i'm watching the political

01:56:49.860 campaigns john carrey mitt romney barack obama and what did the commercials used to be

01:56:55.680 i remember a lot of these political commercials john smith wants to raise taxes wrong for chicago

01:57:03.300 wrong for us and i was like huh joe biden launches an ad saying donald trump supporters are an extremist

01:57:11.100 faction that must be stopped by any means necessary vote for me and i went huh okay that's a wild thing

01:57:18.360 to see in a political campaign ad it's wild thing to see the president your president right and i made

01:57:23.520 this point during covid joe biden came out and said we are doing this we are doing that we have

01:57:29.100 done this and that's why we did that and i pointed out when he says we did this he's talking about blue

01:57:34.580 state lockdowns while florida and south dakota and other conservative republican states were doing the

01:57:40.120 opposite and defying the federal government joe biden was giving a national address saying we we we

01:57:45.120 which excluded you and so i think you need to pay attention to what the president has been saying

01:57:50.620 for some time now he's not talking about this country as though there is a country he is speaking

01:57:55.660 specifically to the blue states the win condition for people like joe biden the establishment woke

01:58:03.260 whatever you want to call it is the start of a civil war not winning a civil war the win condition for

01:58:09.740 them is because if a civil war does start the constitution is immediately void like abraham lincoln's

01:58:15.820 suspending habeas corpus in uh the corridor from dc up to philly trying to trying to arrest the supreme

01:58:22.460 the chief justice of the supreme court threatening this because of yeah but literally arresting members

01:58:28.580 of the of the maryland state legislature because they had a pro-slavery sentiment the moment the war

01:58:35.080 starts the biden administration says constitution is hereby suspended like abraham lincoln before me

01:58:43.820 we must take extreme measures to preserve this union which means in this conflict we will not tolerate

01:58:51.140 the possession of illegal firearms we will not tolerate seditious speech sure but we will use your home

01:58:59.980 to house our soldiers but but you know and here's the thing and this goes back to sort of the discussion

01:59:04.720 we were having about the srec and and all those guys the real divide here is not and it's the position

01:59:11.240 we've had all along the real divide is not an r versus d it's not a blue versus red i mean that that's

01:59:18.200 sort of how how it crops up but this is the people versus a political establishment because literally

01:59:23.660 he could invoke he could invoke uh abraham lincoln policies during the civil war before the civil war

01:59:29.820 and get invited to go speak to a republican uh lincoln reagan dinner uh in january or february you know

01:59:36.920 because there are people that look at those things and they believe it's union above principle right they

01:59:42.440 believe that we should do everything we can to keep the union together and the necessary part of the

01:59:48.340 union uh being together is the federal government and if you don't capitulate to the federal government

01:59:52.960 then you are anti-american and you are bad and there's a group of people out here who's saying

01:59:57.820 no all political powers inherent in the people we're the ones who make these decisions we believe in the

02:00:03.820 rule of law we believe in being a constitutional republic and that is truly the divide it's the

02:00:08.740 people versus a permanent political class that believes that we are too stupid to govern ourselves

02:00:13.660 i think i think you can you can hate your government or be unsatisfied with your government and also be

02:00:17.260 proud to be an american and i kind of i guess i fall under that category i'm not happy with obviously not

02:00:21.400 happy with the way joe biden's running i'm not happy with the way our government's run majority of

02:00:25.640 the time i'm not happy with the way texas is run um but i still love my state and i still love my

02:00:29.540 country and i'll continue to this is the best country that uh ever has been yeah and it really

02:00:34.720 is i talk about the uh our system of governance is the best the founding fathers were brilliant

02:00:41.660 is absolutely that's why people are breaking laws just to come here it is uh it's why we're so

02:00:46.100 prosperous it's why we're so successful um it's why we we enjoy such tremendous rights there's small

02:00:52.200 you know people can point to small countries they look how well they do it's like you got a very very

02:00:55.240 small country look at the size of the united states and the success we've had for for for

02:00:59.300 governing this massive very different you know uh group of people that even you know even you go

02:01:06.260 back 100 years the south the the the uh the northeast the west they're very different cultures

02:01:11.620 but we found a way to govern this in a way that people were satisfied for a very long time

02:01:15.320 that's why i think this country needs to be protected and the constitution is so important and the

02:01:19.960 system of governance is fantastic but i would make the argument one last time as we get close to

02:01:23.840 wrapping up when people posted the meme showing all the states supporting texas and they wrote

02:01:28.580 lone star rebellion i said there's no rebellion the biden administration has gone rogue and is

02:01:35.400 actively committing crimes so the united states is fine we must exercise our constitutional rights in

02:01:43.620 removing such a person and perhaps you know i'd advocate a year or two ago for impeachment and

02:01:49.020 conviction at this point i recognize nah the best path forward is just vote him out because

02:01:54.300 you impeach the guy now then they run somebody else let them have their biden he can't win and our best

02:01:59.480 path to correcting this is just to have this vote in november and make sure look you guys want to come

02:02:04.560 out and say they're going to cheat they're going to do this and otherwise then you better make sure

02:02:08.260 you double up your efforts and getting people registered to vote knocking on doors hey you're worried

02:02:13.160 about mail-in voting in your city why aren't you going out and telling people to fill out their mail-in

02:02:16.960 ballots for trump if the democrats are going to do it you got it you got to counter in the exact same

02:02:20.660 way and play the same game but be better at it well i i will i will say this because i know we are

02:02:25.600 getting close to wrapping up i would encourage people out there that want to get a better understanding

02:02:30.580 of how this is unfolding i would encourage them to go look and study the texas revolution

02:02:35.960 because this is effectively starting off the exact same way you know the flag that was hoisted over the

02:02:41.840 alamo was a mexican tricolor with the date 1824 in the middle of it because they initially started

02:02:48.540 out that process to fight for their rights under the mexican constitution of 1824 that had been usurped

02:02:54.040 by the dictator santa ana and the centralists in mexico city uh and in it and out of that grew uh you

02:03:00.740 know it grew independence you know march 2nd was when texas independence was declared the alamo fell

02:03:06.620 march the 6th the men in the alamo never knew that independence had been declared in fact in fact

02:03:12.440 travis wrote a letter to his friend jesse grimes and he said let the convention therefore declare

02:03:18.900 go ahead and declare independence for if they do the world will know and my men will know what we are

02:03:24.900 fighting for but if they do not my men are willing to lay down their arms but under the flag of

02:03:30.400 independence we will peril our lives a thousand times you see that that's where i think people

02:03:36.860 need need to look at that as an example this is way more like 1836 than it is 1776 and and you know

02:03:44.100 whether we have agreements on how that vote how a texat vote would turn out it's important to

02:03:49.320 understand that that revolution sealed in texas forever the principle that all political powers

02:03:54.200 inherent in the people and people should be able to choose how they are governed didn't uh i'm i'm pretty

02:04:00.080 sure the u.s conquered mexico for the most part and then polk gave it back is that what happened

02:04:04.200 well yeah they marched all the way down to mexico city yeah and then we actually occupied and

02:04:08.740 controlled everything and then the american people were in favor of us keeping it but then polk was

02:04:13.040 like we don't want to deal with this and they went back and said we're going to get our guys out

02:04:15.980 here and it's yours we um we just need more people to vote it's really what it is and if you're

02:04:21.940 watching this and like it's really it's a lot of it's really easy to clip stuff and share stuff and go on

02:04:26.760 twitter or x and complain about things and share memes and we should continue doing that but it

02:04:32.520 literally takes like 10 minutes to go vote and i feel so um depressed when i see all these people

02:04:41.620 that talk about politics non-stop and i like hey did you vote i'll text them hey did you vote today

02:04:46.260 oh i was just so busy blah blah like i said i run some of the biggest political celebrities in texas

02:04:51.220 and and they don't they don't vote they can't be bothered to vote it takes 10 minutes figure it out

02:04:55.980 even if you don't know exactly everything on the ballot just at least go at the minimum go vote

02:05:00.500 republican at the very minimum yeah well gentlemen this has been a a very fun conversation of course

02:05:06.300 uh today is the federal deadline i kind of feel like nothing will happen it's a lot of blathering

02:05:12.860 and posturing but it doesn't mean nothing will happen eventually so we'll see make sure you guys

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02:05:37.180 those questions and and it's going to be important look as we head into these uh these areas go to the

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02:05:49.340 going to texanow.org so let's have the conversation let's go vote on texan yeah and for me if you're

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02:05:58.780 to follow us so we're at current revolt.com on twitter x or current revolt um we just cover texas

02:06:05.180 news um and we're pretty good at it right on and even if you're not in texas it's entertaining

02:06:10.340 as all get out texas politics the only thing more entertaining than texas politics is louisiana

02:06:14.760 politics well right on gentlemen it's been a blast having you both it's been a great conversation

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The Culture War - Tim Pool

The Culture War #48 - Texas National Guard Deadline With Feds, Biden VS. Texas： Civil War

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