The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #51 The California Secessionist Movement & National Divorce In 2024

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00:00:58.140 Oh boy! It's our favorite subject. You know it. Civil war. Or maybe not even civil war, but

00:01:04.220 considering that there has been so much talk about the political conflict in this country,

00:01:08.820 considering that, for those that have been following the news just the other day,

00:01:11.880 the prosecutor, the DA, who brought charges against Trump and his associates,

00:01:16.620 is under fire for potentially lying to the courts, may get even disbarred. Things are getting a bit spicy.

00:01:21.820 And now you've got many political activists in the United States arguing that the case against

00:01:26.240 the DA, who's going after Trump as Fannie Willis, is politically motivated attacks from fascists to

00:01:31.540 try and disqualify those who are trying to bring accountability. And in the meantime,

00:01:35.580 everybody else is kind of paying attention. It's like, yo, I think this lady is corrupt and was

00:01:38.700 funneling money to her boyfriend. And they're as crooked as you'd imagine.

00:01:42.380 But there's a lot of things happening politically. New York, for instance, Donald Trump is going to be

00:01:46.020 going on trial for hush money payments. It's apparently some kind of criminal charge.

00:01:49.960 Trump says this is not criminal at all. You've got fraud charges. Things are getting pretty

00:01:54.280 wild in this country, not to mention over the past several years, we've seen an escalation in street

00:01:58.320 violence and political violence. So instead of just going into all the modern context, we want to

00:02:03.460 get into the, I suppose, the political activism element here. We've we talked a couple weeks ago with

00:02:08.660 Texit, the Texas secessionists. And now we've brought in some some activists,

00:02:16.020 advocating for a form of California exit. And we've brought in an individual journalist and

00:02:22.120 researcher to talk to us just in context about the Civil War. So I don't know, would you like to

00:02:25.740 start good, sir, and introduce yourself? Yeah, well, my name is Louis Marinelli. I'm the one of the

00:02:31.140 founders and creators of the California secession movement known as Cal Exit. And we started that back

00:02:36.760 in 2014, together with my who I consider my brother, Marcus Ruiz Evans. And, you know, it kind of

00:02:44.820 started off originally as a campaign, not for California to succeed. We wanted to kind of

00:02:49.760 make California more independent in the United States. And so we started with a campaign we

00:02:56.440 called Sovereign California. The problem with that was we ran into a lot of people who were confused

00:03:01.180 about what that campaign was about. Are you sovereign citizens, for example? Are you some kind of religious

00:03:06.160 movement? With the word sovereign, there was a lot of religious connotation with that. So we ran into

00:03:10.260 some problems with that. And then it was at the same time that the, if you recall, the Scottish

00:03:14.620 independence referendum was happening. And so that's when we kind of kind of adopted that

00:03:19.180 branding. And we said, we're going to pick up the flag for the cause of self-determination in North

00:03:25.220 America. We picked up that name, Yes, Scotland, and branded it for California. It became Yes,

00:03:30.440 California. We went on from there. Right on. So there's a lot to talk about in the development,

00:03:35.680 the current state of, and the realistic possibility of California secession. Because it doesn't just

00:03:42.500 mean California leaves the union. There's actually been, and I don't know if this is you guys, but

00:03:47.060 splitting California into two states. There's a movement for a Northern and Southern California,

00:03:52.520 as well as an Eastern and a Western. We'll get into all that context. But we also asked,

00:03:56.520 Jeff, would you like to introduce yourself? Yeah. So my name's Jeff Mayhew. I'm a father of five.

00:04:01.600 I run a small business in Manassas. I started an organization called the Madisonian Republicans.

00:04:07.000 Our focus is teaching people how our republic divide separates and balances power. That way,

00:04:12.880 they can be better voters and vote in better elected leaders. And you live in, you said Manassas?

00:04:17.920 Well, Gainesville, actually, but yeah. But close enough. Close, yeah. And that's the first

00:04:20.960 real battle of the Civil War. Oh boy, we're going to talk about this. So I thought it would be cool.

00:04:25.220 So we asked the California secessionist movement, come on board, let's talk about this. But I thought

00:04:32.480 it would be great to grab someone locally who had some expertise or knowledge in the area pertaining

00:04:37.120 to the first Civil War, hopefully the only, but we'll see. And then the idea of secession and

00:04:43.100 how this could play out in the 2024 election, because we certainly talk about it quite a bit

00:04:47.980 on our shows. Well, let's just start here first. What specifically do you want, sir,

00:04:56.200 with California? Do you want the entirety of California to just become its own country?

00:05:01.060 What is your, like, if you won the lottery of political activism, what would happen with

00:05:07.660 California? Well, that's an interesting way to phrase it, because a lot of people have the

00:05:11.380 misconception that our campaign has a set goal. And I think that's what makes our organization

00:05:17.540 unique, because a lot of organizations out there have a specific agenda that they want to achieve,

00:05:21.380 and ours is more abstract. It's let the people vote. And so we've always said, whether the people

00:05:26.760 want to secede as a whole, let that happen, if that's what the people say they want to do.

00:05:31.520 There are other movements in California to have the state, as you mentioned, separate into different

00:05:35.700 numbers. I think even Tim Draper wanted to do six Californias. There's been other campaigns for

00:05:41.480 there to be two or three. We have actually a couple different plans of our own, one of which we

00:05:45.640 call three, a galaxy 3.1, which is to divide the state into two, to create what would be a country

00:05:52.820 called Pacifica, on the most western coast of California, the San Francisco Bay Area, and leave

00:05:59.700 the remaining part of the state in the United States. The goal of that is really kind of what we call

00:06:04.960 ideological divorce, or national divorce. We started talking about the idea of divorce in 2018.

00:06:10.940 Marcus and I were in Sacramento. We were holding signs that said, it's time for a divorce. At the

00:06:16.120 time, of course, we were talking about California divorcing itself as a whole from the United States.

00:06:21.040 But since then, we've come to, or at least some of us have come to the conclusion that it's maybe not

00:06:26.860 the right thing for California as a whole to secede, because there are tens, millions of Californians

00:06:33.580 who would not want to do that. There were conservative voters. I think that I've heard that there are even

00:06:37.480 more Trump voters in California than in any other state, even though it's the one of the

00:06:42.200 bluest states in the union. And so I think that would be kind of counterproductive to the whole

00:06:46.740 idea of self-determination. If you're going to say that California and its current borders would

00:06:52.460 secede from the union and force, you know, 10, 15 million people who don't want to go with them to

00:06:57.440 go with them. So why not we, why not draw the lines in a different place? I kind of, I'm stuck on this

00:07:03.320 idea of why do we have to adhere to the existing geographical and often abstract lines that we've,

00:07:10.200 we've drawn on the map just out of nowhere. And so why not we draw those lines in a way that makes

00:07:15.020 sense economically and also ideologically?

00:07:17.940 Right. So this, the Pacifica thing, this is basically creating, it's just this small strip going along

00:07:24.260 the Pacific ocean. And then the Eastern part of California, which is more conservative, more farmland

00:07:30.140 would remain with the United States or would it become its own state or how'd that work?

00:07:33.740 Yeah. So it's actually interesting in, in this scenario, both of those would still be

00:07:37.580 dominated by the democratic party. Let's just get that right. So a lot of people say, for example,

00:07:41.760 you want to create a red state, change political dynamics in Washington. That wouldn't be the case

00:07:46.600 because the, the part of the state, the Western part, as you're referring to, is actually including

00:07:50.220 the Northern and Southern part would still be, I think, 60% Democrat. So it's still going to be a blue

00:07:55.540 state. It's just not going to be, you know, 80% Democrat like it is now. And so what happens is

00:08:02.580 then the Pacifica, we have it going along the central coast of California and the San Francisco

00:08:06.340 Bay area. That is your super ultra left wing, 80% Democrat country. And so we say, well, you know

00:08:14.020 what, let them have their progressive utopia on the West coast and see how it goes. All right. So

00:08:20.960 they would starve to death. Well, actually, I mean, they have Napa Valley, so they would

00:08:25.040 drink a lot of wine. There's a, it's fascinating. There's this viral video from the earlier in the

00:08:33.680 week of a woman who's 28 years old and she filmed herself. I'm, I'm surprised she was willing to do

00:08:39.720 this, but I respect her for doing so saying, I can't be the only one who did not know you can eat

00:08:45.420 fruit from a tree. I'm not, I'm not joking. She said a friend came to her house and saw a bag of

00:08:51.420 store-bought lemons in her fridge and said, why do you have a bag of lemons in your fridge? And she

00:08:56.040 goes, well, because you know, I use them to cook. And she goes, no, no, but like you have a bag of

00:08:59.940 store-bought lemons in your fridge. And she's like, yeah, because I cook sometimes. And she's like,

00:09:04.060 Carly, you have a lemon tree outside. And she's like, and so why do you have store-bought lemon?

00:09:08.580 She's like, cause I use them to cook. I don't understand. And she's like, just take the lemons from the

00:09:11.700 tree. But this is, this, this is not surprising to see a video like this, you know, having grown

00:09:16.840 up in a city myself, and I'm sure you guys, even to a certain degree yourselves, all of us.

00:09:22.540 I mean, I think it's fair to say someone's going to watch a show like this or anybody who's learned

00:09:27.440 to a certain degree understands you can eat fruit from a tree. There are a lot of young people who

00:09:31.220 have no idea where food comes from. And this is what I think leads to, as you called it, what a

00:09:36.540 progressive utopia they want to put together. And the reason why I said they'd starve is a lot of

00:09:41.400 these people, not all of them, but like, I mean, you look at what happened in Seattle with the,

00:09:44.900 the Chaz and they tried making the farm, whatever you want to call it. These, these people don't

00:09:50.080 know how the environment works. They don't know how farming works. They don't know how to sustain

00:09:54.520 themselves. And so, you know, back to the bigger picture of all of this, you know, when talking

00:09:59.860 about California secession or fragmentation or whatever you want to call it, I don't know that

00:10:04.520 it's so much you would create a red state and a blue state or two new blue states. It seems like

00:10:09.660 you'd create a wealthy state and a chaotic dystopian nightmare, right? The, the, the area

00:10:15.280 of, of California that produces all of the food I think would do mostly. Okay. But these tech bases

00:10:21.620 could not survive. You know, the, the, they like to Democrats like to talk about how we generate all

00:10:26.560 the wealth in our cities and subsidize, you know, the rural areas. And I'm like, yeah, but if there

00:10:32.540 were borders and tariffs and food could not enter your country without specific agreements, you would

00:10:39.780 be extremely impoverished. No one is going to trade all of their wheat for your Twitter, but that's

00:10:46.620 basically what they've done, the access and influence. So I actually see the possible, like if, if Pacifica

00:10:52.380 were to exist, I don't think they'd survive.

00:10:55.160 Well, I think you bring up a good point, but I think that what we always try to stress is that the divorce

00:10:59.920 that we're advocating for, if it does come to pass, wouldn't necessarily have to be something that

00:11:05.080 would be, uh, you know, create a negative relationship. Acrimonious. Acrimonious. That's

00:11:10.620 the right word. Yeah. I mean, I think that the two could separate and that's kind of what the purpose

00:11:14.060 is because I think that right now we have a situation in this country where, you know, the left

00:11:18.100 and the right, we're in each other's hair and let's just get out of each other's hair and we can live

00:11:22.020 our lives the way we want to live our lives. And then I think in that type of environment, there might be

00:11:26.100 a way to maintain that, um, tranquility as, as, as we, as we refer to in the Declaration of

00:11:32.420 Independence, that tranquility and peace among Americans, because we're not interfering, we're

00:11:37.300 not imposing a left or right ideology on the other. And so let's let each other live the way that we

00:11:43.140 want to live our lives, whether it be you're on the left wing in Pacifica or you're on the right

00:11:47.380 wing and somewhere in Texas. And I think that we could have a situation in North America where we

00:11:52.040 can maintain that peace and tranquility. I'm not convinced that there could be a secession of

00:11:57.680 any portion of this country from the country itself without resulting in some kind of violence.

00:12:03.840 But I'm curious, Jeff, in what do you, what do you think? I mean, I, I a hundred percent agree with

00:12:09.360 you. If, if there was a secession, we would have violence, just the nature of people, you know,

00:12:13.700 they're going to be, like you mentioned, they're going to be people in California that want to leave

00:12:17.180 and people that don't want to leave. I think like the core of what the secessionist movement is,

00:12:22.320 it says that we as people are not represented in our country. We don't have freedom. We can't do

00:12:27.900 what we want. And I think the answer to that is not necessarily secession, but a decentralized power

00:12:32.960 structure. So in, in, uh, federalist number 10, Madison talks a lot about factions and like,

00:12:38.020 what's the best way to control factions? And his answer is to have more factions. And we talk about

00:12:43.180 the civil war, what led to the civil war. Everybody always talks about slavery, but why, why was

00:12:48.780 slavery able to be kept and then advanced and preserved? And the answer is, is the three-fifths

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00:14:21.520 Compromise. The three-fifths compromise gave the slaveholders

00:14:25.220 significantly more power in Congress than the non-slaveholders. So they were able to use that

00:14:31.820 power to advance their cause and advance the causes of their party. And what this did is it

00:14:37.960 created a massive divide, regardless of whether you wanted slavery or not. Maybe you disagreed with

00:14:43.340 the slaveholders on other policies, but you had no power to stop them. So it just created more of a

00:14:48.480 problem. In a modern context with California, the issue of illegal immigration is giving disproportionate

00:14:54.140 power to blue states. They're getting extra congressional districts and electoral college votes based on

00:14:58.340 people who are not even citizens of this country, who are not paying into the same, uh, in the same way as many

00:15:03.060 others. We often hear arguments that, oh, but they, they, they do pay taxes. Well, of course, everybody pays sales

00:15:08.240 tax. There's a lot of taxes you'll pay no matter what you do when you're buying gas or whatever. But in terms of

00:15:12.820 paying taxes at the same degree as your average American citizen, they're not. And so, uh, for those that aren't familiar

00:15:18.060 with this, I know a lot of people who listen to, will listen to this probably do, but I'll explain.

00:15:22.040 California sanctuary state. There's many other jurisdictions that are sanctuary jurisdictions.

00:15:27.200 What that means is they will not cooperate with the federal government on deportation or apprehension

00:15:31.600 of non-citizens who have illegally entered the country or who have remained here illegally beyond

00:15:35.980 their, their permits. The census counts those individuals as residents. Donald Trump wanted

00:15:41.780 there to be a citizenship question on the, on the census. And that was, that was, that was blocked

00:15:46.580 basically. I think even the Supreme court said no. And so what happens then is, uh, it has been

00:15:50.660 estimated by various organizations. It could be as low as one extra congressional seat in California

00:15:56.400 and as high as seven. It is estimated worst case scenario. California gets seven extra votes in the

00:16:04.280 electoral college for president because of the non-citizens who have illegally entered the country

00:16:08.420 violating our laws and don't need to vote that that that's there. So it's fun. It's fascinating.

00:16:14.140 You bring up the three fifths compromise that it disproportionately empowers these slave states in

00:16:19.420 Congress as, and we're seeing something not too dissimilar right now with, with, with the, the, the

00:16:25.020 illegal immigration crisis, the border crisis that everyone agrees on. This is giving disproportionate

00:16:29.420 power to the Democrats once again. There's, but there's a reason for that. And that the reason of

00:16:34.660 that is the permanent appropriate appropriate appropriation act of 1929. So in leading up after the

00:16:41.240 civil war and after the gilded age or during the gilded age, immigration became a major part of

00:16:46.520 American society. And it started to give more power to the Northern states, the same way that the

00:16:50.680 slaveholders were able to first import slaves and then grow slavery inside of their states and gain

00:16:55.260 power. The Northern states were able to do that through immigration. And you had this massive

00:16:59.680 disagreement because the house is fixed at 435 because of this act. But before that, it grew with the

00:17:08.380 population to, to maintain a decentralized power structure to give people a voice in their government.

00:17:14.600 But we capped it in 1929 and the, we capped it for that exact same, that reason that you just

00:17:19.620 brought up, brought up is the fact that they couldn't decide who was supposed to be counted

00:17:23.240 for purposes of apportionment. Was it supposed to be just American citizens or was it supposed to be

00:17:27.720 all persons? There was an argument on each side of it. It got stalemated in Congress for over 10 years

00:17:33.040 and eventually they just kicked the problem to the executive. They wrote this temporary act,

00:17:38.040 which became permanent because they just stopped doing it. But ultimately that's the answer right there is

00:17:44.160 it's Congress's job to apportion representatives to the people so they can actually run their government

00:17:49.000 and they've consolidated that power into themselves.

00:17:52.680 So the three for this compromise is fascinating because the average person, I would assume,

00:17:58.360 I mean, in my life growing up, they think that it was these slave owners who thought that slaves

00:18:03.700 were not a full person. The reality is the Confederacy wanted the slaves to be whole persons for the purpose

00:18:09.360 of counting individuals and voting and all that. And the North was like, no, no, no, no, no, no,

00:18:14.200 you can't claim them to be property and full persons for the purpose of voting and all that.

00:18:18.940 So the South wanted them to be counted because it would give them more power.

00:18:22.200 The North said, no way, you can't have it both ways.

00:18:24.680 Well, that's because it wouldn't be their power. It wouldn't be the slave's power.

00:18:28.880 It would be their power.

00:18:29.820 Exactly. And so, and that's the argument is like, well, you can't, you can't have it both ways.

00:18:34.380 And that's an example of the, of the history been written by the victors, because I remember,

00:18:38.100 like you just said in high school and middle school, you learn that storyline that the

00:18:42.600 Southerners were for slavery and they were the bad side. Right. And so they wanted to consider

00:18:47.460 the slaves to be less than human, therefore three fifths of a person. But reality, it was really

00:18:51.700 like you're saying about the Northern states didn't want that extra representation in the South.

00:18:55.460 Well, to be, to be fair, I think they were, they, in many ways on that core issue is vile

00:19:01.300 as bad as you can get. Like these people should be counted. So we have political power, but

00:19:07.220 we will dictate what they do. I'm surprised. Uh, I, I look, the North was very racist. You know,

00:19:14.920 this, this idea that they were like, oh, I can't believe how racist these other, no,

00:19:17.700 they were all racist. Um, but it is shockingly despicable to be like, we will own people.

00:19:23.600 They will, they will get political power and we will wield it dirty. Well, to put it lightly.

00:19:30.320 So I think it's not that the, the Northerners, um, it's, it's difficult to understand. They all

00:19:39.240 kind of, I mean, Thomas Jefferson was a Southern slave owner. Okay. And he was the proponent of

00:19:44.280 the Northwest ordinance was the first ordinance that kind of, uh, it described how to bring new

00:19:48.960 territory into the country. And it, it said that you couldn't have as, as slavery. Our founders

00:19:54.280 did not like slavery. They did not want slavery. They grew up with it. Like it was, it's hard to

00:19:59.420 change an economic system overnight, right? You have to change it over time. And they kind of set

00:20:03.980 forward a plan to do it. I mean, they get a bad rap for all this stuff, but the reality is it's not

00:20:08.960 them that mess this up. It's the, it's the next generation of American leaders. It's starting

00:20:13.320 in the antebellum period. It's starting with John C Calhoun and all the Southerners that,

00:20:18.060 that see that their power is going to slip away. And they changed the argument of, well,

00:20:22.920 slavery is a necessary evil to slavery is a positive good. And it's not a positive good.

00:20:28.480 I take a look today at, uh, the foreign wars the U S are, has been involved in. And I think history

00:20:35.980 will look back on the United States today and they'll be like, how could they have been so evil that

00:20:40.840 they, they, they let their government just bomb countries. They weren't at war with. I mean,

00:20:46.540 it's shockingly insane. You look bad. We look back at someone like Thomas Jefferson who Southern

00:20:52.360 slave owner and tried getting in the declaration of independence. This basic, basically attack on

00:20:58.520 the crown for advancing slavery in the colonies, despite being a slave owner himself. And you take

00:21:03.740 a look at, uh, today, and there are many individuals who have benefited from war directly funding it,

00:21:10.580 who oppose it. There are many people in this country every day that in some way, uh, are involved in

00:21:17.140 it like, uh, um, inadvertently or otherwise in many different things in the future, they may say,

00:21:22.600 I can't believe they were supportive of that. How could you vote for a president who would ever

00:21:28.360 advocate for these kinds of military excursions into foreign countries illegally? It's, it's shocking,

00:21:34.320 right? But you take a look at where we are with Donald Trump and with Joe Biden.

00:21:37.440 And, uh, while Trump is in my opinion, the best we've had, uh, in my lifetime in terms of foreign

00:21:43.620 war, he still fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria. He still had drone strikes in the Middle

00:21:48.360 East. He inherited that. And it may come in the future. They'll say, you know, Donald Trump

00:21:53.060 opposed war and wanted our troops out. And then someone will say, yeah, but he was, he was dropping

00:21:56.860 bombs. He was doing all these things. This is nature of, of politics. You can't just snap your

00:22:01.720 fingers and end or change these things no matter how bad they may be back to the issue of,

00:22:05.820 you know, Thomas Jefferson, for instance, we get this narrative from many people in this country

00:22:09.760 that they were evil slave owners, but they actually were trying to stop it. And then, uh,

00:22:14.500 the interesting thing about what happened with civil war in this country for, uh, I was, and you

00:22:19.000 can probably speak to this better than I could, but there was talk of civil war in the 1820s.

00:22:22.400 I was reading some articles about 1812. I mean, the war of 1812, I mean, they wanted, uh, the, uh,

00:22:28.320 the northerners wanted to secede because of the war of 1812, because they didn't like war. I mean,

00:22:33.460 war is not a good thing, right? I mean, it, it, it hurts the people overall. And so there's always,

00:22:38.340 there's always going to be a group of people that feel left out. And they're the first instinct for

00:22:42.960 people in that scenario is to take their ball and leave, you know, and that's sometimes it's good

00:22:48.580 because if you have somewhere to go and you can be safer somewhere else, then by all means do it.

00:22:52.320 But if you don't have anywhere to go, you kind of have to stick around and figure out how to solve

00:22:55.580 the problem. There's that saying, any fight you can avoid is a fight you've won.

00:22:59.480 And, uh, I like to reference this video that's viral on the internet of this, like martial arts

00:23:05.340 black belt, you know, sensei teaching his students. And he's like, I'm going to teach you the one

00:23:10.200 technique, the one master technique to win any fight, no matter what. And everyone's all excited

00:23:15.500 and they're sitting down. And then he, he goes in front of the guy. And then as soon as the fight

00:23:19.780 starts, he runs from the room, waving his arms in the air and just disappears. And then everyone laughs

00:23:24.400 and claps. And he comes back in and he was like, you don't want to fight. You, you do, you do not want

00:23:28.360 to fight. You've won if you've not fought. And so that's, that's an important message that I think

00:23:32.920 a lot of people don't understand, especially as you're mentioning that the North didn't want to,

00:23:35.840 but let's bring it to a modern context. Uh, I was saying, I don't think there's any scenario where

00:23:41.160 there could be a, a, like in terms of Cal exit or secession, there's talk about like the state of

00:23:47.640 Jefferson, uh, uh, what greater Idaho perhaps, or, um, what's Jeff, uh, state of Jefferson or breaking

00:23:53.540 California into Northern and Southern or East and West. If they're within the United States,

00:23:58.480 I can see that as a potentiality, long shot billion to one. But if that happened, I'd be like,

00:24:05.740 Oh, wow. You know, that's that, that here we go. I mean, it's possible. And because of the

00:24:11.300 overarching structure of our government, law enforcement, military, if say Idaho had a vote

00:24:16.560 in Oregon and it went to Congress and they approved it. And then a portion of Oregon went to Idaho and a

00:24:20.560 portion of Northern California did. I don't see violence in that regard. I just see it being as

00:24:24.360 politically impossible for the most part. It's substantially more likely in my opinion,

00:24:29.380 that a state simply just says we out, but then you get violence. So I'm curious,

00:24:34.900 your guys' thought on, you know, whether I think you were set, you were saying earlier,

00:24:39.400 secession is not what started the civil war and it's not what causes the violence. The, the,

00:24:44.720 the initiation of violence starts the war. And so I'm curious if you guys want to

00:24:50.080 dive into this, what do you think happens? Should California or Texas or any other state say we're

00:24:54.780 leaving the United States? Where does that go? Well, I would say, first of all, we have political,

00:25:00.400 politically motivated violence right now and no states are seceding. So, I mean, this idea that

00:25:04.340 we're going to have violence because of it is just going to be a continuation of that.

00:25:07.560 Maybe it'll get worse, but if the intent of the secession is to try to alleviate the core reasons of

00:25:13.280 why that political violence is growing in this country, I think it's a noble cause. Maybe it'll work,

00:25:18.240 maybe it won't work, but I think that I would like to have the opportunity to say that

00:25:22.620 we at least tried to avert a civil war if we could. And maybe it's a, you can call me an idealist or

00:25:31.120 call me naive or something. I just think that we should try to avert that we shouldn't be trying

00:25:34.080 to drum it up. And if we can recognize that there are some core problems that are causing political

00:25:39.340 division in this country, political violence to become more common, maybe we can do something

00:25:44.660 to alleviate that. And me, the idealist says, let's try to redraw the lines at least. And so

00:25:50.080 I think that that's an important point there. But I think that what you're saying there with

00:25:55.220 dividing these different lines up with California, for example, and Oregon, I think that it's possible

00:26:01.940 to do that without there being the so-called civil war. And I think that it's important to kind of

00:26:08.060 define what the civil war is. I mean, there's a lot of people and I kind of agree with them to say

00:26:12.780 that maybe you completely disagree with me as being the historian here, but the civil war,

00:26:17.620 I don't really consider it to be a civil war, the first one, because it was a war of secession.

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00:27:53.000 A war for the North to keep the South in the country? It wasn't a war between, let's say,

00:28:03.260 hordes of people in streets. My vision of civil war is like unorganized hordes of people in the

00:28:09.560 streets.

00:28:09.940 We'll clarify that definition real quick. So typically, civil war historically is referred

00:28:13.840 to two or more factions fighting for control of a government.

00:28:17.680 Of one government.

00:28:18.620 Right. And the American civil war was actually just a union breaking apart with the pro-union

00:28:25.400 forces trying to stop states from leaving the union and the Confederate states wanting to not

00:28:31.020 be a part of their union.

00:28:32.180 Yeah.

00:28:32.460 So they weren't fighting for control of one government.

00:28:34.380 Yeah, that's what I mean. I guess you said it more eloquently than I. They weren't contending

00:28:37.660 for who's going to control Washington, right? They had their own capital. They had their own

00:28:40.880 president. And so they had their own confederation with their own union. So in my view, I guess,

00:28:45.720 I don't think it qualifies as a civil war. And I guess in my mind, when you think of civil war,

00:28:51.180 I see unorganized hordes of people in the streets or militias in the streets fighting each other,

00:28:56.100 but it's not necessarily the government versus another government.

00:28:58.780 This is interesting because we look at World War I and II, you have these European powers,

00:29:04.020 which then bleeds out into the second world countries that are fighting with each other.

00:29:09.020 And we call that the world war.

00:29:10.200 But World War I and II would be not too dissimilar necessarily from what the American

00:29:15.900 Civil War was. These states were sovereign. They viewed themselves as their own state,

00:29:20.900 as it were, as part of a bigger union. And the Southern states believed they wholeheartedly

00:29:24.480 had the right to leave at any point. And the union said, no, you don't.

00:29:27.660 But they didn't have the right. And this was a topic that had been talked about from the founding.

00:29:34.000 It was talked about during the Aliens and Sedition Acts. Jefferson and Madison wrote the

00:29:38.080 Kentucky and Virginia resolutions. Jefferson actually, he supported nullification.

00:29:44.060 But fast forward and Andrew Jackson and John C. Calhoun, when it came to nullification in 1828,

00:29:49.360 Andrew Jackson said, no, you cannot do that. These guys considered themselves unionists for the most

00:29:54.060 part that led the South. John C. Calhoun even included in that fact, he did not want to leave

00:29:58.240 the union. He did not believe that the South had the right to leave the union. He wanted to find a

00:30:02.820 solution to the problem. It wasn't until he died and the rest of the leaders kind of

00:30:07.940 died that we ended up in civil war. It's like, it's like a marriage, right? You're married

00:30:12.660 together. You are, you're responsible as individual states for the people of your states. Okay. Not all

00:30:20.160 the people of the South wanted to leave the union. If the slaveholders took power, they had

00:30:26.120 significantly more power in their states over the non-slaveholders. There were white people in the

00:30:30.880 South that didn't own slaves, which means they had no representation.

00:30:34.120 Well, well, real quick on that thought, I believe it was only 5% of the U S population that were

00:30:39.840 slave owners. And so the South was overwhelmingly not slave owners. Absolutely. And the, and the

00:30:46.140 thing is, is like those, those 5% held so much power and they use the power of the federal government

00:30:52.740 over and over and over again during the antebellum period to expand manifest destiny, the Mexican

00:30:58.340 American war, Texas annexation to expand slavery so they can maintain their power because they

00:31:03.800 wouldn't give it up. And so it was civil war. It was a small group of people fighting against

00:31:10.940 everyone else saying no. And then once they had lost once the, the, cause what it is is we're a

00:31:16.460 decentralized, factionalized society, right? And the democratic party had consolidated itself

00:31:22.340 with the slaveholders into this one massive party. And it took the Republican party being formed,

00:31:28.380 consolidating all the different factions that didn't necessarily agree or disagree with slavery.

00:31:33.360 They didn't really care. What they did care about is they wanted a little say in their government and

00:31:37.260 they weren't being, they weren't able to have it. Okay. But it sounds like you're describing what's

00:31:40.980 going on now. Yeah, I know. Like the, we, we were, we had a rep Massey on, uh, IRL,

00:31:48.500 Tim cast IRL last night. And I'm looking at this list of all of these members of Congress who voted

00:31:53.800 to oust George Santos, whatever your opinion is on the guy, you don't have to like the guy,

00:31:57.560 but he was not, he's not been convicted of wrongdoing. He's been accused of wrongdoing,

00:32:01.680 but a bunch of Republicans teamed up with Democrats to remove him. And with this, the example that I

00:32:07.080 give is look, Democrats would not expel, uh, Senator Menendez, despite his now second, I believe

00:32:12.980 indictment or actually more than two, but principal, uh, criminal charges. They march in lockstep.

00:32:18.500 They're a big party. They fall in line. The Republicans are basically the catch-all for

00:32:23.800 the disparate group of varying ideologies that are at war with each other. Uh, there are members

00:32:27.420 of Congress that are, as Rhett Massey described them dibs, what do you call it? Defense industrial

00:32:33.080 something. I don't know. Military industrial complex. We refer to it as there are Republicans

00:32:37.400 who, uh, they're always going to vote for military spending, war, foreign policy. And then there's

00:32:43.240 Republicans that are libertarian and say no expansion, no more spending. These people are not the

00:32:47.220 same group. They, they are not united. So what's happening now is as long as Democrats are

00:32:51.900 ideologically homogenous, they're going to exert disproportionate amounts of power. So long as

00:32:56.040 they're playing games like, uh, sanctuary States and cities, they're going to give themselves,

00:33:00.720 grant themselves disproportionate amounts of power. And I think what we're seeing now with Donald Trump

00:33:04.480 is kind of like what you're describing with the Republican party. Donald Trump has created a party

00:33:09.940 within a party essentially. And I shouldn't say he did. I believe he's the avatar of this,

00:33:14.380 this formation. And now you have a, the, the, probably the largest and strongest faction within

00:33:19.180 the Republican party is MAGA or America first, and it is expanding. It is winning and it will grow.

00:33:25.060 So maybe we won't see critical mass anytime soon, but it's certainly bubbling up. I wonder if,

00:33:31.400 you know, we're eight years away, 12 years away, maybe this elect because of the speed of internet

00:33:36.100 and information, it's much faster than we realize, but it certainly seems like, as you've described it,

00:33:41.400 we're in a similar period. Yes, we are very much in a similar period, um, for different reasons,

00:33:47.060 obviously, but I mean, and it can change very fast, but it can also change for the good very fast,

00:33:51.420 right? There are so many people out there, you know, I, I got into politics just like three or

00:33:55.620 four years ago, just a regular person watching TV, kind of a little scared, you know, I've got kids.

00:34:00.240 I'm like, what are, what are my kids' futures going to look like? So I'm going to go volunteer for,

00:34:05.420 I was, Yunkin was running for governor. I was knocking doors. They don't give you,

00:34:08.300 they don't tell you what to do. They just give you stuff. They say, knock on doors and give these

00:34:12.020 people this stuff. So I started to ask questions like, what do you not like about your government?

00:34:15.980 And the first thing I kept on hearing is Congress, Congress, Congress, Congress is crooked. Congress

00:34:20.440 is corrupt. And so it's like, well, what if, what if you actually had politicians that actually talk to

00:34:25.180 those people? Because the apps have you knock certain doors. I just knocked every door. I didn't

00:34:30.060 want to waste my time. Why not just talk to everybody instead of just talking to the people that

00:34:33.000 you're told to talk to and then ask the same questions. And you realize that the reason that you only

00:34:37.480 knock those doors is because those are the people that voted for you. And those are the people that

00:34:40.240 voted for them. And you don't want to actually have a conversation with them. And what you learn

00:34:43.980 when you do is they all don't like Congress. Why do they not like Congress? Because Congress

00:34:48.340 is unrepresentative of them because they're too small of a body. So if you had a, if you,

00:34:53.520 if you had a group of people or a politician that spoke to those people and said, Hey,

00:34:57.380 we're going to give you a real plan. We're going to say, Hey, we're going to, we're going to clean up

00:35:01.160 corruption. And this is how we're going to do it. We're going to decentralize power. We're going to

00:35:03.920 expand the house. We're going to bring more people in. We're going to make the district smaller. Maybe we're going to

00:35:07.400 break some of the big States up into smaller States. Cause it's actually a very good idea.

00:35:10.440 The power of the government is just a lot of work and the individuals doing that work are

00:35:15.440 probably just overloaded. But I think it goes beyond Congress. Uh, you're not going to alleviate the

00:35:20.880 issue of the Senate. And so I think splitting up Congress and making it more, uh, I don't know,

00:35:27.400 granular, more people, more representation. It's a good idea, but then you still, now it's just even

00:35:32.820 harder to get unity around core issues, which again, I'm on the, it sounds great. Unless you

00:35:40.620 then bump into a Senate that is the same system and the presidency and the executive branch that

00:35:46.140 is the same system. So there are arguments for expanding the Supreme court that actually think

00:35:49.900 it does make sense. The only problem is the only, the arguments only being made for political power

00:35:54.680 under administrations to give themselves more ideologically aligned Supreme court justices.

00:35:59.780 But the idea for the Supreme court was there's each appellate district has a, a justice. And right

00:36:06.580 now we have more, uh, districts than we have justices. So the argument is we should, I think

00:36:11.160 we should have 13 or whatever. There's one for each. Instead we have some that double up. I like

00:36:15.860 the idea. The problem is the only people advancing it are the ones who are currently in executive power

00:36:19.700 who would give their ideological allies seats in the Supreme court to seize control. And thus we're

00:36:25.720 at an impasse. I think we would need, uh, if we're going to expand Congress, I think the issue is not

00:36:32.320 just Congress. I think the founding fathers didn't expect, uh, the country to be at 300. No, I mean,

00:36:39.880 I don't think they forced off 300 million people. I mean, it was what 4 million people at the time of

00:36:45.480 independence, four or five. Yeah. And I think that the biggest, uh, the gap between the populations at

00:36:51.120 the time, I think it's like one to 40. Now it was like one to 13 at the time. Yeah. So even that

00:36:55.500 discrepancy you have in terms of some States getting more representation, you know, it was a

00:36:59.280 difference of 13, not 40, like it is now between California and Wyoming, for example, with, with

00:37:03.660 what you're, uh, you're saying, Jeff, it seems like the logical conclusion is perhaps a regional,

00:37:09.900 uh, uh, layer added to the United States or some kind of national divorce. Well, I mean,

00:37:16.280 there's already a regional layer and that's the state republics. Okay. We're a compounded

00:37:20.440 republic as Madison would say. And so when you said, well, yeah, if we expanded Congress,

00:37:24.860 it would be more difficult to get people aligned. Well, is that a bad thing? Do we want our federal

00:37:29.300 government to be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want? Shouldn't it be a more

00:37:34.500 comprehensive system? So the federal government is doing only what the federal government is supposed

00:37:38.480 to do and then leaving the rest of the States as the constitution declares. But so what I see

00:37:43.180 happening is, you know, how is it that the FISA court, uh, vote died the other day, right?

00:37:49.900 The, the, the foreign surveillance stuff is widespread abuses. We have seen for a very

00:37:54.700 long time, lying to Congress, all of this really awful stuff. Thomas Massey comes on saying we were

00:37:58.980 supposed to vote on it. And then they just shut Congress down. They just, we're not going to

00:38:01.780 have, it's not going to happen. Imagine where are we right now? Uh, Joe Biden, uh, certainly there

00:38:08.840 are members of Congress, the Senate, the upper or lower chambers that are trying to fund foreign

00:38:12.680 wars against the will of the American people. Cause the American people don't want war,

00:38:15.820 but it happens anyway. But I imagine a scenario where the president, uh, does something illegal.

00:38:21.200 I mean, I, I, I am of the opinion, the Biden administration is one of the most crooked

00:38:26.320 administrations we've seen. Giving you one example, the Biden DOJ just arrested a witness

00:38:31.460 and whistleblower against the Biden family. I mean, whether or not you think this guy is a liar,

00:38:36.680 this is purely inappropriate to make these moves. And that's what they're doing. So I don't,

00:38:41.160 I don't, I don't have good answers for you, but certainly if someone comes out and accuses

00:38:44.240 the Biden family of criminal wrongdoing in politics, and then Biden's DOJ goes and arrests

00:38:48.500 the guy, we have very serious problems. We can't even get the current Congress to do anything about

00:38:54.300 the abuses we have seen at the executive level for decades. But so you, you said it, it gets killed,

00:39:01.160 right? It doesn't, you can't debate it in Congress. And why is that? And I think, uh, Dean Phillips,

00:39:05.780 who's running for president actually tweeted about this recently. He said, all the power of the house

00:39:10.100 and the Senate are basically consolidated into the leaders. Well, why is that? Well,

00:39:14.740 post civil war post during the Gilded Age, you had this guy named Thomas Brackett Reed who came

00:39:19.220 into power. He found it difficult. They were fighting over representation. They were fighting

00:39:23.280 over power in Congress. And he found it difficult to get things done with, uh, with his democratic,

00:39:28.860 uh, you know, uh, competitors. And so he created something called Reed's rules where he started

00:39:34.220 consolidate power into the speakership. And that's what we have now. So like, you know,

00:39:38.200 going back to the civil war, what was one of the big ways that the, uh, the slaveholders

00:39:42.420 maintained power was with the gag rule. The gag rule was a set of procedural rules they put in

00:39:47.620 place where you couldn't talk about slavery in Congress. Well, as an individual citizen,

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00:41:22.040 Lays is in Congress. I have a right to speak with my representative. I have a right to have my

00:41:27.380 representative listen to me. And if he agrees with me, go into that body and speak for me and my

00:41:31.740 community. If Congress, the other people in Congress have written a rule that says you can't

00:41:36.300 talk about this thing, we're going to shut down debate, then they're not doing their job. And

00:41:40.960 they're not allowing us, the people, to have a voice.

00:41:45.160 So the one thing I want to add real quick, because I want to jump to secession again, but I believe that

00:41:51.640 any state, that any person does have a right to secede. And I view it in sort of an American

00:41:58.620 independence context. When you have grievances that will not be addressed by your leader, the

00:42:05.380 country is, should be coming from, what did Monty Python call it? A mandate from the people or from

00:42:11.500 the masses and not wet ladies distributing swords or whatever. The crown did not care for the plight

00:42:19.600 of the colonies and just smacked them around and said, you're nothing to us. We will take from you and

00:42:24.300 do as we please, shut up and accept it. And so finally they, the people said, we are being

00:42:30.060 oppressed. This is unacceptable. And so we say no. And, and we won the United States won.

00:42:38.720 I would say largely thanks to France. You had, you know, the British crown was embroiled in war in,

00:42:44.300 in, in a bunch of different ways. And so forcing them, you know, the French were basically like,

00:42:49.400 the enemy, my enemy, right? So let's assist the colonists. We base, you know, we view it like

00:42:53.480 the French expeditionary forces came and assisted us in winning this fight for independence. The

00:42:58.660 French probably viewed it as we helped them winning their war against the, against the, uh,

00:43:02.980 the, uh, uh, great Britain, but, uh, Ulysses S. Grant. Uh, so, so in that regard, we respect what we

00:43:08.960 did. The United States says it was good that we decided we were being wronged and we left,

00:43:13.660 but we didn't just leave. We fought for it. But we, but, but first, before we did that,

00:43:19.120 we sent Benjamin Franklin and others to parliament and we asked for a voice in parliament. We asked for

00:43:26.000 representation and it wasn't until we were told no, did we resort to fighting? Well, hold on.

00:43:32.020 This is, this is where it gets good. It wasn't even then we get told no. And so Thomas Jefferson,

00:43:40.080 the founding fathers are like, send more letters, send more letters. And then the crown came and

00:43:45.700 demanded the guns from people in Massachusetts who, uh, uh, said no. Then they marched their

00:43:52.360 troops onto Lexington and Concord and said, hand over your weapons. And, uh, you know, depending on

00:43:57.960 who you ask, you might get a different answer. My understanding is we don't necessarily know who

00:44:00.880 shot first, but regulars open fire on Americans to take their weapons from them. And this was a full

00:44:08.600 year before the declaration of independence. Are you talking about the Boston, Boston massacre?

00:44:13.200 No, no, no, no. This is Lexington and Concord. Oh, okay. Sorry. So these are the first battles

00:44:17.380 that we say of the American revolution a year and one month later, the founding fathers sent the

00:44:22.080 declaration of independence. So historically we were already fighting for it despite never having

00:44:27.480 declared it in the first place because the founding fathers were like no war, no violence.

00:44:32.760 We will petition and use pressure and economics to do it. But what happens with, um, it was the,

00:44:37.960 I believe it was the intolerable X. I could be wrong. Um, but basically the crown is saying

00:44:43.060 because your dicks, Boston tea party, we are going to impose penalties on you. And the colonists were

00:44:49.360 like, we are, you, you are beating us down. You will not listen to a thing we've had to say.

00:44:53.960 So we reject your, your, your policies. And so they said, okay, then we're going to occupy you.

00:44:59.140 And the founding fathers are like, this is getting out of hand. We don't want this shooting

00:45:04.020 happens at Lexington and Concord. We consider that to be the shot heard around the world. The first

00:45:07.260 battles of the revolution. Well, don't forget about the, the, uh, exaggerated propaganda of

00:45:11.800 the Boston massacre also. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was spread across the colonies as some

00:45:16.260 massacre. A couple of people were killed. I don't know the exact details of it, but it wasn't a

00:45:20.720 massacre. So perhaps, but based on the population size back then, I think it was probably a big

00:45:24.660 deal. Well, I'm just saying that the use of the word massacre, right. And purposely made to rile

00:45:30.680 people up. Well, I mean the, the propaganda was on both sides though. Yeah. You know, like,

00:45:34.460 I mean, Sam Adams and Paul Revere, they were, they were trying to use it for their ends. It was,

00:45:38.360 you know, when you get in a situation like this, the people in power tend to use anything they can

00:45:42.980 to need nudge power in their direction. Sure. Massacre. Uh, how many people, uh, was it that

00:45:49.260 died? I think it was, it was like four Christmas addicts. I know he died. Five, five, five people,

00:45:55.340 five people, five people. And, uh, you know, historically we do mention like they were publicizing

00:45:59.680 it as a massacre. But, but my point ultimately was, um, a lot of people think that if you watch

00:46:06.480 any popular media or movies or whatever cartoons, they depict the American revolutionary war as the

00:46:12.160 founding fathers declared independence. And then the crown dispatched troops when in reality they

00:46:17.500 were already shooting and killing Americans and fighting was happening. And the founding fathers a

00:46:21.500 year later were like, I think we should declare independence. And it's like, well, you're already

00:46:25.400 fighting for it. But, uh, my point in this is we look back at that because we are the winners

00:46:31.100 and the good guys won. It's like Norm MacDonald said, Hey, I just read history and good news.

00:46:35.180 The good guys have won every time the civil war. Uh, it was, I read this letter and you may,

00:46:41.400 I don't know if you've seen this cause I don't remember exactly where it was. I was reading an

00:46:43.420 academic paper on the civil war. You, Ulysses S. Grant wrote a letter after the civil war saying,

00:46:47.860 in essence, by all means, you have the right to secede, but no, you will, you will go to war.

00:46:58.320 And if you lose, you will be ruled by your betters. And so it was, it's, it's, I believe it's the most

00:47:05.920 apt perspective. These are, these are, these are people who are the, what I mean, effectively

00:47:09.780 grandchildren or great grandchildren of revolutionaries who fought against the crown and

00:47:15.560 said, no, we'll be our own country having to reconcile. What's the difference here politically.

00:47:20.980 And his point was by all means, try, and we will fight you like they fought us. And if you lose,

00:47:26.920 you will be ruled. And that's what happened. And the Supreme court, I think actually said

00:47:30.460 something about the 1869. Uh, there's this, there's narrative out there that, you know,

00:47:35.400 you say you don't have the right to secede, but the Supreme court ruled that you do have the right

00:47:39.700 to secede under certain conditions. And they are, first of all, the consent of the States,

00:47:43.440 which is what they wrote their own words in the Texas versus white. The States have the right

00:47:48.020 to secede with the consent of the States. The problem is they didn't define what that was.

00:47:51.380 Is that a consent of Congress or is that literally consent of the States at the time,

00:47:56.120 how many States were there? So what would you need? 50% of the States, state legislators to approve

00:48:00.040 it. That's the kind of the angle that we take a galaxy and says, if California is going to secede

00:48:04.880 as a whole or any part of it thereof, that we would need the consent of the other States.

00:48:10.320 And I think that there would be 26 red States out there who would love to see a blue, the bluest

00:48:16.440 part of America secede from the union and maybe would get the legislatures in 26 States to approve

00:48:20.400 of that. The, the idea from a Ulysses S grant, which was interesting in this letter, he says,

00:48:26.120 the reason we will have a right to stop you is that we have sacrificed blood and treasure to admit

00:48:32.440 you into our union. And to paraphrase in a modern colloquial way, if I pay money to move you from

00:48:42.380 your house to mine, you owe me and we have a deal and you're like, I'll help clean up. I'll pay rent.

00:48:48.560 And then after all that, you don't pay the rent and you say, I'm leaving. I'm like, whoa, whoa,

00:48:52.640 bro, bro, come on. I helped you move out here. You said you were going to help me out with the rent.

00:48:55.360 I need to cover these costs and you're just leaving. Well, you might get into a legal dispute.

00:48:59.660 Someone's going to file a lawsuit and say, we had a contractual agreement as to what I would pay to

00:49:03.320 help them come out. Now they're leaving without paying their debt. You're going to get into a

00:49:06.220 conflict. Ulysses Grant is like, it was very hard for us to bring you in blood and treasure. You

00:49:12.700 want to leave without paying your debt. We're going to stop you. Yeah. And, and, and he's right. And

00:49:16.480 to your point about like, but the separating the States does not separate red and blue. Each state

00:49:24.260 has concentrated areas of both red and blue in it. So like, it doesn't really solve the

00:49:29.540 problem. You know, um, that's why, you know, what you really want is you, our Republic is supposed to

00:49:35.900 be of small groups governing by small groups because small groups give you the individual

00:49:41.000 more power. So if you really want to like solve that problem, it's not, it's to create more groups

00:49:46.480 inside of the group that we have not to break the group apart. And I agree. And that's, that's why

00:49:51.220 like I depart from Marjorie Taylor green, who kind of spoke about national divorce. And I think that

00:49:55.860 the message that, that at least a lot of people interpreted it was, was a blue and red state

00:49:59.500 divorce. And I don't agree with that. That's why I was talking about before about redrawing the

00:50:03.280 lines be specifically because in California alone, there's 10, 12 million Republicans that

00:50:07.960 would, who would just like, like we've been talking about might go to war to keep themselves

00:50:11.280 in the country that they love. The patriotic Californians in California who would not want

00:50:15.400 to be pulled into the leftist utopia. So, but this is, this is, man, I hear this so often

00:50:21.300 and I, I'm, I genuinely don't understand where the perspective comes from. When we talk about

00:50:25.920 a modern context and a potential second civil war, people say, yeah, but nobody wants to

00:50:29.120 fight. And I'm like, whoever did, whoever, I mean, look, I, you got John Bolton, perhaps

00:50:34.380 he's, he's itching for it, but he wants to send someone else to do it. Uh, historically,

00:50:38.480 when you look at almost all conflict, the average person does not want to fight. You die, you lose

00:50:44.600 wealth, you lose luxury, luxury and comfort. Well, so it's, it's typically smaller minority

00:50:50.700 factions who reach that point, which start the wars. Well, I mean, I think what happens

00:50:54.340 is a group decides that they want to fight and they work to make things difficult for

00:50:59.460 the people that they need to fight for them. And then they kind of pull them to fight for

00:51:04.340 them. Like what's happening today. So like, you know, no, you're right. Nobody really wants

00:51:08.900 to fight, but when you can't afford groceries and you're struggling to pay your mortgage and

00:51:13.660 all of these things are happening. And now you're like, you know what? I mean, I can't pay

00:51:18.740 my bills. I might as well fight for something, you know, I might as well do something.

00:51:21.920 It's the, uh, uh, expected value proposition. You guys familiar with gambling and what's

00:51:27.180 called the EV when you do like sports gambling, they'll show you the expected value. Meaning

00:51:32.380 that if you bet a hundred dollars, if the EV is bad, if you win, you win only $90. So it's

00:51:37.920 like, you know, so when there's a favorite, that's your expected value. And so, uh, that's

00:51:43.000 how people measure, like, is it worth it to make the bet? There are some people who make

00:51:46.880 stupid bets. Like, I think this person's going to win, you know, MVP for the season. And it's

00:51:51.780 like plus 1000, which means a $10 bet wins you, you know, substantially large amount, a lot

00:51:57.420 more money with a hundred bucks. And so, uh, there was one funny meme where it said only

00:52:02.580 0.2% of, uh, of, uh, tax returns are ever audited, giving you a 99.8% EV for, for tax fraud.

00:52:10.380 It's really funny. But, uh, the reason I bring this up is you mentioned food and mortgage.

00:52:16.160 Basically when the expected value of civil war exceeds the expected value of not you

00:52:21.760 get civil war. If the average person says to themselves, the expected value of fighting

00:52:27.700 a bloody war is higher than of just trying to pay my bills. You're going to get people

00:52:34.540 become active combatants when food, you know, uh, we've talked about this a few years ago

00:52:41.400 and over the past few years, but the cost of water, uh, in places like Detroit, Flint,

00:52:45.880 Michigan, bring you to the, to the, to the breaking point of where you could start getting potential

00:52:51.480 conflict. Not so much in this context of like Flint, but if the cost of water exceeds the

00:52:57.340 cost of labor, you're done like fighting theft. Crime will explode because now what you're

00:53:04.300 like water is the, as the most basic necessity for a human being. I may be an air, but like

00:53:08.800 in terms of what we need to pay for services, food is probably the most obvious because people

00:53:15.100 typically can find ways to get water. It's in the air, but, uh, food is a bit harder in big cities.

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00:54:45.960 But in your basic necessities, shelter, food, water, and I think general security is considered

00:54:56.560 one. Like, do you feel anxious all the time? Like you're going to die when these things are

00:54:59.880 threatened? People just say, look, I'm going to die anyway. I can't eat. Might as well fight for

00:55:05.500 what I need to survive. You know, right now you have certain politicians saying all the crime we're

00:55:09.660 seeing is because people need bread. And I'm like, bro, that, that TV is not getting them bread.

00:55:13.120 They just society is breaking down. No one cares about each other. But in terms of, uh, you know,

00:55:19.600 moving into this, uh, moving now into secession, the reason why I think no matter what happens,

00:55:26.500 if there is a state seceding, you will get violence is because of, uh, regional resources and federal

00:55:34.120 resources. States will require them. I'll put it, I'll put a pin in that real quick and say,

00:55:38.980 there is also the idea that civil war at this, in this day and age would be impossible.

00:55:43.560 And that's because of the ubiquity of cell phones, the internet, it's a lot harder to engage in

00:55:49.400 violent, murderous conflict. It's, it's hard to police. I mean, you get a video of a cop, uh,

00:55:55.460 doing something that is even, there was one cop who was almost stabbed. This was a few years ago,

00:56:00.040 a woman rushed with a knife and he shot her. And even with that video, they were calling for him to

00:56:04.280 be fired, for him to go to prison, like hard enough to do your job as a cop, let alone have an

00:56:09.040 invasion force, a national guard go into a state to suppress, you know, a, a, a voted, uh, like let's

00:56:15.800 say a state, let's say Texas and Greg Abbott, they send troops to the border to secure it.

00:56:21.400 But the idea that the federal government could dispatch armed troops to combat them and fight

00:56:27.140 bloody violence, you, you, the Biden would be, would be gone. Congress would go deep red. It

00:56:32.180 would be Republicans win overnight because people are like, are you nuts? You can't do that.

00:56:36.480 That being said, when I look at California, for instance, Southern California is extremely

00:56:41.140 reliant on the Colorado river, which means if they can't negotiate properly with Nevada, Arizona,

00:56:46.600 Utah, whatever, uh, Colorado millions upon millions of people are going to be without water.

00:56:53.240 So let's say California says, Hey, we out. And then the federal government says, we're going to

00:57:01.280 damn this waterway. We don't care about you. You're downstream from us. What can California do

00:57:06.340 about it? California might say, no, no, no, no. Just because we secede, it doesn't mean you get

00:57:09.880 to take away our water source for a large portion of our people diverting from, uh, like the, the,

00:57:15.960 the Bay area down South would desk would, would decimate a lot of the farms in, in, in the,

00:57:21.800 in the Delta and the, in the Bay area, California would have no choice, but to actually send some

00:57:26.860 kind of physical combat force to try and secure access to this water. That's just one example.

00:57:33.000 Yeah. I disagree with that. I think that the relationship between California and other

00:57:37.440 states that provide that water is mutually beneficial and mutually dependent. If they

00:57:41.560 want to continue to get grapes and everything else that California grows, California needs water for

00:57:45.400 it. And there are no other States in this union that grow much of the produce that are staple

00:57:51.240 products in American kitchens across the country. And so if Colorado wants to set off their water to,

00:57:56.900 uh, California, then they're not going to have more grapes, you know? So what are the people

00:58:00.660 going to do that? They're going to import them. They're going to have more expensive food from

00:58:03.000 other countries. So it's a mutually dependent relationship. I would say I agree with you 70%,

00:58:07.680 uh, or maybe 30%. It is certainly mutually beneficial, but who has the leverage you want

00:58:13.960 to grow grapes. Wow. That sounds like you're gonna have some delicious wine. I control the water.

00:58:18.580 Your people need to drink or they die. So here's, it's going to happen. We'll give you your water.

00:58:22.840 Your people will live and you will give us the grapes at a 10th of the cost. We currently get them at.

00:58:27.400 Yeah, but this is just grape stuff. There are so many products that are only grown exclusively in

00:58:31.100 California, like avocado, for example, I think is Mexico. I mean, in the United States with from

00:58:36.260 the American state. And so they wouldn't be people here in New York are not going to grow avocado.

00:58:40.820 And so I know, but, but California would be akin to Mexico. We, my point is right now you have

00:58:46.040 California's massive representation in Congress preventing something like this from happening,

00:58:50.520 but should California secede? I, I, I, I see the federal government outright being like,

00:58:55.380 well, now we got you a bite of balls. Look, grapes and avocados are fantastic,

00:58:59.540 but we can import those from Mexico. We have your water. I'll tell you what we're going to do.

00:59:05.920 We're going to cut your water off for six months. Then you come back to us and tell us how much

00:59:10.400 you're willing to sell your avocados for. But after the violent mobs burn down your home and

00:59:14.800 oust you from power, the next guy who comes in is going to bend the knee to us and we'll get

00:59:18.520 everything we want. So you make your choice. Yeah, I hear you. It's certainly a complicated issue.

00:59:23.260 I just don't think that they're going to, you know, cut off a huge short. I mean, there's,

00:59:28.420 I mean, I think even dairy products in California are a significant part of the national food stock.

00:59:34.120 So I think that there's so many things that are grown and produced in California that it would

00:59:38.240 be unnecessary. Why, why, why would they try to agitate the situation? I mean, if it's a peaceful

00:59:42.640 situation, like we're trying to have business, why try to agitate the situation? You can have

00:59:46.720 brotherly relations between California if it seceded in the other states.

00:59:50.000 Yeah, but I, I, I, it's not, it's not peaceful. Like it's not peaceful. When you put your put,

00:59:54.960 you're literally, if you're saying like, I'm, I don't want, look, we're married. Okay. We've

00:59:59.480 been married for a really long time. And now all of a sudden you don't want to live in my house

01:00:02.100 anymore. Okay. It, your feelings are going to be hurt. There's going to be resentment there.

01:00:08.160 And now you've got a kid together. I don't want to, I don't want you to have them on the weekends.

01:00:12.900 I want to have them all the time. I'm going to use the leverage I have.

01:00:16.000 Who gets the dog? That's right. Who gets the dog? There are many married couples whose

01:00:19.600 relationship are actually better after they get divorced and they're not living in that

01:00:22.760 same house. Yes. Yes. But how many of these people cut ties? They resolve the issue. So

01:00:29.740 the idea would be California leaves and now we got to figure out there's a divorce. Okay.

01:00:35.840 Who's getting what? Well, the only problem is in many circumstances, historically, especially

01:00:42.080 the woman leaves, she says, I want, I want to keep the house. It is, it is the trope.

01:00:46.580 The man gets kicked out. I think that's sexist and absurd. Uh, why should the guy have to go

01:00:52.280 find a different place? And so now, nowadays actually really interesting because there are

01:00:55.700 divorce lawyers telling the guys do not leave the house under any circumstances, but there

01:00:59.760 is a dependency. You, this is why we have alimony. Let's call alimony the, uh, the Colorado

01:01:05.780 river for Southern California. How many women fight tooth and nail in, in court and refuse

01:01:12.140 to give up until they get alimony. And that guy has to pay for it. So the funny thing is

01:01:16.760 you can have a woman initiated divorce and then demand the resources from, from the husband

01:01:22.860 and the courts agree in a national divorce. That makes literally no sense. It would never

01:01:26.800 happen. If California decides to leave. And for some reason it ends up happening. The federal

01:01:31.160 government says, okay, you've left. I'll put it this way. If it, I think it is fair to

01:01:37.700 say violent confrontation would be extremely difficult in a modern context in this, in,

01:01:43.020 in, in 1861, how long did it take for word to travel that a war even started? You know

01:01:48.840 what I mean? I mean, the, the fascinating thing is Fort Sumter, we say the start of civil

01:01:51.860 war, despite the fact that it wasn't actually really a fight to, you know, one guy died in

01:01:55.860 accident or whatever. The battle, first battle of Manassas, Bull Run was, was crazy. And people

01:02:01.300 didn't even think they were in a civil war when that fought, when that fight started,

01:02:03.620 you take a look at a modern context. Could Joe Biden or Donald Trump or whoever is in the

01:02:11.240 government at the time dispatch under the insurrection act troops to California to suppress

01:02:16.200 a, a secession potentially. But what this would mean is California was not wholly resigned to

01:02:22.220 secession. Let's say that all of California unanimously in their, in their state houses

01:02:27.580 and Senate and all that stuff, the governor, they all agree. We are seceding. We don't care

01:02:32.600 what the constitution says. We don't care. It's unanimous sign it. Bang. In this circumstance

01:02:39.040 to prevent this, the only way I see it being possible insurrection act is declared. U S forces

01:02:46.020 are dispatched to California who walk into government and they, and the governor and the state reps

01:02:51.780 and legislatures just put their hands up and they say, you win. And then the federal government

01:02:55.460 occupies the state and there's no conflict. However, it's a state with who they're federalizing

01:03:00.580 the California national guard to turn on their own people. Yes. The people are going to follow

01:03:04.020 those orders. This is the point. This is the point I'm making in the event that California is not

01:03:08.520 wholly resigned to secession and they do not fight. The federal government could dispatch troops

01:03:12.580 under the insurrection act and take the state over. In reality, if it came to the point where

01:03:18.060 California unanimously decided it should not be in the United States, they're going to fight.

01:03:23.180 The union would not be able to get into a bloody conflict in San Francisco. Nobody would support

01:03:27.740 that. The rest of the country would be like, are you insane? This is crazy. People would turn against

01:03:32.280 whatever the administration was. They wouldn't need to fight. The federal government would say,

01:03:36.740 okay, California, we hear you. Uh, congratulations on having your own state. We'll be securing the border

01:03:43.280 post haste. We'll be dispatching troops, not under any insurrection act or anything, just under standard

01:03:48.000 CBP border, border patrol procedures. Every highway into and out of California will be

01:03:53.460 checkpointed. You will be, you will need a passport to enter the United States. And of course, you'll need

01:03:58.440 to renegotiate your water treaties with us. I mean, California would, would, their economy would

01:04:03.020 collapse overnight. People who live there wouldn't be able to go to Vegas anymore. They'd go and they'd be

01:04:08.240 like, do you have a passport for, we don't recognize the state of Cal, we don't recognize the country of

01:04:11.900 Pacific or California. So, uh, you can't enter the United States. These people would be in revolt.

01:04:16.500 The United States government would likely then create some kind of amnesty program.

01:04:20.180 Any citizen resident of California who wishes, wishes to retain us citizenship need only leave

01:04:25.760 California and declare themselves as Americans. The California system would just, it's impossible.

01:04:32.840 I think that assumes that there's this line between California and the rest of the country,

01:04:38.000 that the rest of the country would be opposed to California leaving. There's so many people in this

01:04:41.140 country outside of California that would love to see California, as they say, fall off into the

01:04:45.400 ocean. So there would be support for California secession in Washington too. That'd be voiced

01:04:49.860 to the representatives in Congress. It wouldn't be like a united front against California.

01:04:53.780 I gotta, I gotta be honest. I would, I would assume that it's actually a large, you, you, you might find

01:04:58.460 a plurality of the people of this country who would support California secession and they don't live

01:05:04.620 in California because the California government is like, no, no, no, no, no. We have so much power

01:05:09.200 over this country disproportionately through lying, cheating, and stealing. Why would we give that

01:05:13.700 up? Yeah. And I think that even the blue states would, would come to California's defense in

01:05:17.820 Congress to prevent these kinds of draconian measures being taken against the state.

01:05:21.460 The blue states are going to argue against Cali. If, if, if the entire Democrat government

01:05:25.940 of California was like, we are seceding, not Washington, Oregon, New York, Illinois,

01:05:29.780 they would be like, no, you're not. You better not leave because then they're the minority.

01:05:34.640 They become, yeah. So, and, and that, so that you bring up an interesting point that like

01:05:38.680 all political power is broken down into three factions. It's the majority power, the minority

01:05:42.920 power, and the powerless. And for most of us, we're part of the powerless. And the moment

01:05:47.080 that you decide to leave your faction of power, you're now powerless too. And that's what California

01:05:53.320 would be doing. They would be, they would be significantly, they'd be creating their own

01:05:57.440 little power over here, but it would be significantly dwarfed by the power of the United States government.

01:06:01.640 How do, how do they do that? Because, I mean, we were talking before about how Congress is,

01:06:05.320 is locked in at 435, right? So if California were to secede from the unit, they don't just

01:06:09.860 suddenly lose 50 some votes in Congress. Those seats get reapportioned to the other 49 states

01:06:14.200 and that would benefit blue states as well. That would, the number of seats in Congress

01:06:17.520 would still be 435. You just have more seats in Washington, more seats in New York, more seats

01:06:21.480 in Maryland. I disagree. I think it's a good point. And it's a, it's a potential, but I kind of feel

01:06:26.920 like secession is such an extreme idea that we don't actually know what would happen with these

01:06:32.400 other laws as to how we, we handle congressional seats. I mean, the secession of a state that we're

01:06:39.140 to go through, it's going to, it's going to have just, let me give you an example of, of a potentiality

01:06:46.280 when it, when it came to the Supreme court hearing just recently about Trump's immunity.

01:06:51.340 And it seems like it's going to be, uh, or what was it? Was it? No, no, I'm sorry. Eligibility.

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01:08:19.280 on care. Did I mention that we care? The immunity hasn't happened yet. Whether Trump could be removed

01:08:27.960 under the Insurrection Act. What Trump's lawyers argued is if you rule on this language in this

01:08:34.280 clause, it's going to impact all of these other provisions in the constitution and our law,

01:08:39.800 because we use the same term numerous times. It is not just an issue of California seceded.

01:08:46.600 They're no longer part of the United States. It's what does that mean for Senate seats,

01:08:50.220 congressional seats? What does it mean for the laws? What does it mean for the clean water

01:08:53.720 restoration act? There's so many laws on the books that will be like just changed in some way we

01:09:00.620 can't foresee by secession. Yeah. And so to your point, they would be reapportioned.

01:09:05.440 And so what that would do, it would take, you're decentralizing the power. You are taking some of

01:09:11.980 that majority power and some of that minority power, and you're giving it to some of the powerless.

01:09:16.320 And you don't know what those powerless are going to do. You're not going to know what they're going

01:09:19.580 to want once they get in there. It's going to have a massive ripple effect as you describe.

01:09:24.280 I think, I think actually if, uh, the impact would be a loss of power for Democrats,

01:09:30.020 the seats would be evenly apportioned across the United States, giving some red and some blue,

01:09:35.040 they would be gerrymandered across the, uh, for sure. Yeah. But California right now,

01:09:39.200 it's overwhelmingly blue. So they would be giving up a two to one advantage for a one to one.

01:09:45.160 I mean, it would be interesting how, how math there's a, there's a complicated, uh, formula and

01:09:49.240 there's an Excel sheet that you can download actually kind of play around with it. I can get it

01:09:52.280 somewhere, but it's interesting to see where those seats would go because it would go based

01:09:56.460 on population. And, and so inevitably, like we're saying here, some of the States would,

01:10:00.580 would benefit there with blue States, but also red States. And it would be interesting to see

01:10:03.900 exactly how that laid out. But until we actually put in that formula, it'd be speculation. I don't

01:10:07.560 think it would be that bad of a deal for the Democrats. And it would, a lot of States would,

01:10:12.260 would benefit from it. They'd be cheering it.

01:10:14.820 We've had a lot of conversations about what could the catalyst of civil war be in this day and age

01:10:19.340 and slavery being this like moral inflection point, uh, clearly was a catalyst for civil war.

01:10:28.080 And we've, we've, uh, argued on Tim cast IRL, I should say I have along with some several others

01:10:32.080 that abortion could be that issue. And I'm not so sure right now, the general idea was abortion

01:10:37.020 is a constitutional personhood question. There is a disparity in the States between whether or not

01:10:44.400 a person has rights or dump or doesn't, or whether or not a baby is even a person. Uh, I, I don't know

01:10:51.120 how you argue that a human being at any stage is anything, but a human being. I think it's only

01:10:55.940 for political power that you'll get people on the left arguing otherwise, but therein lies the

01:11:00.000 problem. So actually, you know, when, when Roe v. Wade was overturned, my attitude was kind of like,

01:11:05.320 good, send to the States. It probably makes more sense. Decentralized power. Now I disagree.

01:11:09.180 You know, I've had several arguments from then. I'm like, no, actually I think I agreed

01:11:12.020 generally with Roe v. Wade, but not completely. And the issue is it should not be a state question

01:11:16.680 as to some, whether someone has personhood. I mean, think of like, think about the ramifications

01:11:21.180 of the federal government saying we will not determine who is a person or who, who isn't

01:11:26.600 giving the state, the right to say this person has, has rights and doesn't is, is insane. It should be

01:11:31.360 at the federal level. We know who is protected under the constitution and what restrictions the

01:11:35.520 government has as to how they violate those rights. I'm not so sure it's abortion anymore,

01:11:39.860 you know, but maybe what I was looking at is something like Colorado and Oklahoma,

01:11:46.700 Oklahoma's banned abortion outright. Colorado has unrestricted up to the point of birth.

01:11:50.020 And I'm like, man, that is a recipe for disaster. Someone who lives near that border.

01:11:54.780 You know, if someone, uh, we've already had some States say, if a woman plans to leave the state

01:11:58.980 for an abortion, it's a criminal conspiracy. So we may be getting to that point. Plus you've already

01:12:02.660 had violence against abortionists in the past and things like this. So there's certainly a risk

01:12:06.880 there. I wonder now if the issue is actually immigration, immigration being, uh, the catalyst

01:12:12.820 potential civil war, considering the extreme degree to which we're seeing the border crisis,

01:12:17.080 the degree to which we are seeing, uh, Democrat jurisdictions try to grant voting rights to

01:12:22.280 people who are not citizens. And what could happen if this country goes to war in itself

01:12:28.700 over the idea that non-citizens are actually full citizens. And so the question is personhood

01:12:35.220 and rights of people who are not full citizens and whether citizenship even matters.

01:12:39.380 Certainly. I think the Democrats, the military industrial complex and the powerful corporate

01:12:44.100 elites would love the idea of citizenship being erased. These corporations extend beyond borders.

01:12:49.660 They do not care for the protections of the United States. So certainly they would fund and be on

01:12:54.120 the side of California brings them all in. Texas is resisting it, but the Biden administration is all

01:13:01.060 for it. In the event, this crisis escalates to a point of conflict. You've got a lot of states that

01:13:07.680 could easily go to, uh, non-citizens and tell them fight on our behalf. And so there is a potential

01:13:13.280 catalyst of if, if they start giving, uh, overt voting rights, they've, they're doing this. Uh,

01:13:20.240 New York's stuck in the courts. Maryland has some areas where non-citizens have the right to vote

01:13:25.360 in certain elections. This is a recipe for disaster because there are people who are like, I've, you

01:13:31.200 know, I'll, I'll, I'll put it this way. The example I've used Gen Z, Gen Z asking why it is they can't

01:13:36.580 afford houses. They can't afford to rent apartments. Even they can't find jobs that pay at the same time.

01:13:42.100 Non-citizens are being brought in and given welfare cards. They're giving $3,000 debit cards. They're

01:13:46.920 being given luxury hotel rooms with their own bathroom and their own TV. Meanwhile, Gen Z is in,

01:13:51.820 is in a shoebox for 2000 bucks a month. They can barely afford, and there's no bathroom.

01:13:56.360 This comes to the point where there's going to be a lot of people being like my birthright's been

01:13:59.920 stripped from me. I won't accept that. You know, when you bring up three-fifths compromise and

01:14:04.580 disproportionate power, I think that is an issue that could lead to some type of violent escalation

01:14:11.100 because right now we are in an era where California has more power than they should over our president

01:14:17.200 and Congress, how we spend money when we go to war because they've broken the rules.

01:14:23.500 They have violated the social contract that we as people decide how our government is run.

01:14:28.940 California said, you know, we're just going to bring in a bunch of people who aren't even

01:14:32.640 citizens and then count them and get congressional seats to vote against you.

01:14:36.100 It sounds very much like what the South did with three-fifths compromise. And at a certain point,

01:14:40.380 people are going to say no.

01:14:41.500 So the immigration thing, I think, is spot on. I think that's exactly one of the issues in

01:14:47.140 clarifying what a citizen is and making sure that only citizens have American rights are

01:14:52.320 important. And we can go back and we look at the Texas Revolution, the annexation of Texas. How did

01:14:58.580 Texas come to be a state? Well, Mexico had fought in a war. It freed itself from the Spanish Empire.

01:15:04.040 It had all this new territory and it was difficult for them to manage. So they actually invited American

01:15:09.960 citizens to the Texas territory to settle the land. Well, the American citizens brought their

01:15:17.420 slaves with them and Mexico outlawed slavery. And so there was this conflict over it. And this is how

01:15:22.780 you get the Texas Revolution starting is you basically invited people into your country and they took over

01:15:29.520 your country because you couldn't manage it because there wasn't a strong government, a set of rules

01:15:36.220 for everybody to abide by and to enforce. And so, you know, that's exactly what we're looking at here.

01:15:42.840 You know, you've got the California thing is spot on. New York is the same way.

01:15:48.080 I was reading about someone, someone wrote on Twitter, California was reliably read until amnesty.

01:15:55.480 And I was like, is that true? Cause I was like in the eighties, you know, Ronald Reagan had this

01:15:59.240 amnesty thing in California and it is more complicated than that, but it's true.

01:16:04.960 What ended up happening was Ronald Reagan gives amnesty. What this does is it's not that many

01:16:10.360 people, but it created large communities of people with voting rights. However, their allegiance and

01:16:15.700 their ties were not to California or the United States. What ends up happening is maybe half

01:16:21.560 generation later in the nineties, Republicans and more conservative leaning individuals just in

01:16:26.440 general, we're like, we've got too many non-citizens and they're getting access to public

01:16:30.760 benefits. We can't do that. I can't be paying taxes for someone who doesn't, who doesn't contribute.

01:16:35.980 So they passed a bill. Non-citizens will not get access to public welfare systems.

01:16:42.340 There was a revolt, a political revolt among people who had family members who are not citizens,

01:16:47.840 but they were, and they would not tolerate this for, for a lot of, it's not just about amnesty.

01:16:54.020 That's why I say it's more complicated, but it's, it's mostly true, but you have people who come to

01:16:57.960 the country illegally are allowed to stay, have kids. Those kids are citizens. And then the government

01:17:01.920 says, we are not going to give benefits to non-citizens. Well, that kid goes, my parents

01:17:05.860 aren't citizens. Heck no. And so what happens? A political upheaval in favor of those who are not

01:17:12.920 citizens. This turned the state blue forever. What, what do you like? I, I, it's a very simple

01:17:19.900 proposition. What do you think happens when you, you, you live in a house with your buddies and you

01:17:26.820 invite people in who are completely opposed to your worldview? I always like doing these simple

01:17:33.040 analogies, but let's just, you know, you live with your roommate and you both absolutely love

01:17:36.380 spaghetti. And every Thursday it's, it's family day or whatever. And you guys order out and spaghetti

01:17:42.240 Italian is brought over. Sometimes eggplant Parmesan, sometimes it's chicken Parmesan, but

01:17:46.460 you love it. Then you invite someone who hates it and only wants to eat broccoli. Okay. Well now you've

01:17:52.420 got one vote for broccoli, two votes for spaghetti. Then that person brings their friend in. Now it's

01:17:58.340 two, now it's 50, 50. The third person who comes in, you'll never eat spaghetti again. And so with the

01:18:03.500 issue of immigration right now, Democrats don't care about the core of this country,

01:18:07.780 our values, our views, what we want to leave for our kids. They care about getting power today.

01:18:12.560 And it's certainly true of a lot of Republicans. And I'm not trying to discount Republicans like,

01:18:17.020 you know, the neocons and the industrialists of 15, 20 years ago who wanted cheap labor for their

01:18:21.620 factories. That's true too. Many of those guys were the ones who started this, but you bring in

01:18:27.300 people, you have the average American, let's say living in the city of the suburbs, they have kids.

01:18:32.280 What are they thinking about? Oh man, I used to love going down to the old, uh, the old candy shop

01:18:37.680 on third and main and whatever. And my dad brought me there and I want to bring my kids there. And

01:18:42.040 then one day they go there and it's gone. It's not there anymore. They're upset. The things that I

01:18:46.740 thought were nice that I want to give to my kids aren't there anymore. As more and more people who come

01:18:51.200 in don't know or care about the old candy shop on main street. They're not evil people. They just

01:18:57.040 don't care. So eventually what happens is you'll get an ordinance, you know, should we, uh, help

01:19:03.480 support the businesses and main street with this provision that would revitalize the area. And they

01:19:07.660 say, we don't care who cares about a candy shop. And you say, I do. I want my kids to experience

01:19:12.780 that. Sorry, you're outvoted. Then you get, then, then it's really, really simple, especially with

01:19:17.400 remittances. More and more people come who aren't from here. They're given amnesty or work permits or

01:19:22.380 whatever. And all of a sudden the money they make in your small town is being sent to a different

01:19:27.200 country. And so the money you need to come into your city, to expand, to grow and to maintain

01:19:33.220 is gone. These are, these are issues that I think are obvious and Democrats are fomenting because they

01:19:39.860 don't care. But the average person who's trying to preserve what they love, they're going to lose

01:19:45.340 out on that. And eventually someone's going to get angry, depending how serious it gets, it could lead

01:19:49.220 to fighting secession. Who knows? I mean, I think it's beyond secession. California should be kicked

01:19:54.680 out. The, the, uh, the reality is California should not have the electoral college votes or the

01:20:01.680 congressional seats. It does. The non-citizens should not have representation for the rest of us.

01:20:05.640 I should not have to have to, my, my vote as a, as an individual is countered in Congress by illegal

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01:21:41.740 So what did my parents fight for? What did, you know, my grandfather fighting in World War II or

01:21:47.980 whatever. To give me what? So that Democrats could give away everything he fought for and

01:21:53.400 built for a better future. If we are entering a society that does not care to protect the trees

01:22:03.040 for whom shade, our ancestors knew they would never sit beneath. If they won't protect that,

01:22:09.120 then a society will grow weak. I see conflict being an inevitability based on those factors.

01:22:15.580 That's why I think immigration could be a large catalyst for the next fight and a large fighting

01:22:22.380 body and population is being brought into the country who would defend. And Democrats can easily

01:22:26.980 go to a non-citizen and say, do you want to stay here? Do you want a welfare card? Do you want a

01:22:30.400 luxury hotel? Okay, you're fighting. And they're going to say, okay. Now what? I don't know. What do

01:22:36.940 you guys think? I mean, I think that it should be addressed in the constitution. I think we need

01:22:40.500 a federal convention. We need to write several constitutional amendments to solve these

01:22:45.200 problems that go back all the way to the founding and then through the Gilded Age and the Progressive

01:22:50.860 Era, specifically addressing the citizenship question of who gets counted for purposes of

01:22:58.440 apportionment is really, really important. You're right. And I think that's a doorway to civil war.

01:23:02.920 You know why? California, congressional Democrat will never support that because what, 7% of their

01:23:10.380 district is non-citizens, illegal immigrants, and their kids are going to be like, if you vote for

01:23:16.300 that, we'll vote against you and you'll lose. So the more power they gain from non-citizens,

01:23:21.660 the more incentive and pressure they have to continually support dissolving this country.

01:23:27.040 What if you proposed a three-fifths compromise where you counted non-citizens as three-fifths for

01:23:35.240 purposes of apportionment, knowing that you have to actually create a feasible immigration system

01:23:43.560 before you do this? And because you know that those people are going to be here, you know that

01:23:47.220 they're going to have children who are going to be full citizens, and it gives them a little bit of

01:23:50.860 power in their government that they're living in, and you're able to appropriately know the amount

01:23:56.820 of people in your country for services and all those different things.

01:24:00.320 This, this, do you look at the path we're going down?

01:24:02.420 I got to disagree with that because, you know what, you give the left an inch and they take

01:24:06.160 a mile, and if you legitimize three-fifths vote for an illegal immigrant, they're going to use

01:24:11.520 that as a basis for a lawsuit in the future to go full.

01:24:14.160 He's saying take away two-fifths of their potential.

01:24:17.600 They should have zero. They should have zero representation.

01:24:20.080 Yes, but right now they have one.

01:24:21.160 So by giving them two or three-fifths or whatever the fraction is, you're legitimizing a portion

01:24:25.460 of it, which is then going to be used as groundwork for them to go to court later and say

01:24:29.380 this is a human rights issue. They're a full person. They should be granted full representation.

01:24:34.080 Give them nothing because if you give them an inch, they take a mile.

01:24:36.780 It's a civil rights issue that I, an American citizen, cannot speak with my representative

01:24:43.140 because my representative represents over 756,000 people, and they can't actually do their job.

01:24:50.920 I know. I'm saying that the illegal immigrants shouldn't have any representation.

01:24:54.740 I agree. I agree. But let's pause right there.

01:24:56.240 Shouldn't be counted.

01:24:57.220 How about this? Can we get, look, if we got 100 people to start filing lawsuits based on

01:25:03.020 that argument, that's a good argument. My ability to speak with my representative has

01:25:07.240 been diminished because my representative is spending too much time talking to people who

01:25:10.620 aren't even citizens. Make the Supreme Court answer that. And that could ultimately end up

01:25:14.960 with a ruling that congressional representatives cannot allocate time and representation to people

01:25:19.800 who are not citizens of this country.

01:25:21.080 Yeah. And then California will lose a number of seats, not just one every 10 years because

01:25:24.540 of Gavin Newsom's policies. Like they're already losing because the population lost, despite

01:25:28.260 the fact that illegal immigration to California is surging. They're still losing seats in Congress.

01:25:32.660 Okay. This is something we've got to do right now.

01:25:34.620 Yeah. They're still losing seats in Congress, even though they have all these illegal immigrants

01:25:37.860 coming to California. But if we were able to be successful with that type of lawsuit,

01:25:41.800 California's representation would be what, around 40 in the House?

01:25:44.820 Well, there's varying estimates. Some very immigration critical, I'll call it, organizations

01:25:50.040 say they only get one extra seat. And that's surprising to me because, you know, some of

01:25:54.300 these organizations are like, no more immigration moratorium. And they said one, but there's Republicans

01:25:58.680 in Congress who have said it could be as high as seven. So how about we get some people to file

01:26:05.460 a lawsuit against, I guess the lawsuit would be against your representative? That'd be interesting.

01:26:15.160 Well, you know what I could add to this is that I just went through a very long legal immigration

01:26:19.900 process for my wife, who's from Russia. And we spent 18 months going through the process.

01:26:26.000 And it was very difficult for us to get in contact with our congressional representatives because of the

01:26:30.200 backlog of all the case work that their case officers were dealing with, with regard to immigration and

01:26:37.020 illegal immigrants. And so we weren't able to get in contact. I personally wasn't able to get in contact

01:26:40.860 with my representative, like you're talking about, specifically because of this issue. And I'm assuming

01:26:46.540 I'm not the only American citizen who has sponsored a visa for his foreign wife, or vice versa, foreign

01:26:51.680 husband, who hasn't been able to reach their congressional representatives because they're so backlogged dealing

01:26:56.160 with so many cases from everybody from everywhere. And so, and what happens in a system where it's

01:27:03.080 overwhelmed and there aren't enough people to, because remember your congressional representative

01:27:07.840 is supposed to be your voice. It's supposed to be the administrator of the government, the legislator,

01:27:12.780 right? And so what happens in a country where you have this backlog and this issue where the

01:27:17.340 administrators are overworked? Well, it leans in favor with people who have connections and money,

01:27:22.700 right? So again, regular Americans. And for the most part, what I would say is American families

01:27:28.920 are left out because, you know, that's the one thing that I've learned since getting into politics

01:27:33.780 is it is not designed for people with children to be involved. You just kind of have to show up all

01:27:38.960 the time to have any sort of a right or a voice in the conversation. And if you have to pick your kids

01:27:44.440 up to school or drop them off at school or have to do homework with them, you don't have the time to

01:27:48.140 show up at all these random events that they put together. This is the fascinating thing.

01:27:51.420 Uh, yesterday before the show on Tim Kessler-L, Ian, he likes to advocate for this thing. He calls

01:27:57.160 the fourth branch of government, an idea that was, uh, I don't know if it was originally from,

01:28:02.220 um, uh, Mike Gravel, but Mike Gravel was a proponent of it. This idea that you have a democratic

01:28:09.340 system. So you have your representatives in Congress, but then the people themselves could

01:28:13.780 also, uh, like draft bills to be presented and vote on whether they make it forward. I said, uh,

01:28:18.980 the idea of a fourth branch of government comprised of the people who go out and vote on all these

01:28:23.200 things is a tremendously bad idea because it favors the unemployed. And so that means government

01:28:27.300 will skew towards benefits for the unemployed, which is currently already true. As you're

01:28:32.120 mentioning with kids, it is easier for someone with no kids to participate in politics than someone

01:28:37.040 with kids. Therefore, throughout the past, uh, therefore over the past several generations,

01:28:41.100 laws have skewed skewed to benefit mostly people who don't have kids.

01:28:44.520 Same thing is true for the unemployed. That's why we see the expansion of welfare benefits.

01:28:49.740 That's a problem for a system that will eventually lead to its collapse. So, you know,

01:28:53.720 what's the answer to that?

01:28:54.940 I mean, the answer is decentralizing the power, uncapping the house. It's absolutely uncapping

01:28:59.080 the house. No, everybody, everybody that's alive today doesn't understand how the system's

01:29:04.100 supposed to work because they've never actually lived in it. It's always been this concentrated power

01:29:08.400 and, you know, all of the different, you know, events that have taken place. It's kind of worked

01:29:15.100 in our favor a little bit. I mean, we were at an advantage to have a concentrated power system during

01:29:19.240 World War II to be able to fight against, uh, other sovereign powers. But, you know, at the end of the

01:29:23.960 day, it hurts American families. It hurts people that really just want to live their lives and build

01:29:31.340 their communities. Um, and it gives advantage to people that, you know, want power.

01:29:37.180 I find that an interesting point about this American families thing. Do you remember

01:29:40.640 the representative or politician, whoever it was, he recently, uh, said the quiet part out loud when

01:29:47.080 he said that the reason that they want to bring the illegal immigrants into the country is because

01:29:49.940 of population decline or the threat of population decline. Well, if we wanted to address population

01:29:54.300 decline, then why not adjust our laws and regulations to support American families who,

01:29:59.160 as you're saying, are not able to participate in the system?

01:30:01.640 I 100% agree. I mean, we want to have more kids, but I can't afford to have more kids.

01:30:05.600 Like it's, it's a big deal in my marriage with my wife. The fact that she would love to have

01:30:10.500 another child and I have to be the guy that goes, well, we can't feed, we can't feed another

01:30:14.580 child.

01:30:15.120 So instead of having more American children, natural born citizens in this country, they're

01:30:18.660 going to bring in illegal immigrants.

01:30:19.720 And they're going to give them a $3,000 and they're going to pay for their healthcare and

01:30:23.040 they're going to do all those things that I have to pay for.

01:30:24.800 And your taxes have paid for and subsidized. Exactly.

01:30:27.140 This is why.

01:30:27.880 And you lose your national identity that way too. And you lose your culture and your traditions.

01:30:30.960 And if the, is it really interesting because, uh, the American nationalist types or whatever

01:30:39.360 you want to call it are being opposed by internationalist open borders advocates, which

01:30:44.640 have basically opened our borders. It's going to be really interesting. If this does devolve

01:30:49.480 into a civil conflict, who wins? I can certainly see a historical record a hundred years from now

01:30:55.280 that says there were people in this country, politicians who believed that you didn't have

01:31:02.720 rights because you weren't granted a piece of paper. How insane is that? No, if you're a human

01:31:07.920 being and you were here on the soil, you are entitled to full rights and benefits of anyone else

01:31:12.320 who's on the soil. Wow. How insane citizenship. What an evil thing. I certainly think there are

01:31:18.320 powerful elements within corporations. And as I mentioned, who would love to see the idea of

01:31:22.980 citizenship abolished worldwide. And it's not necessarily about one world governance because

01:31:27.820 each, each region could have its own governance, but it would be freedom of movement for anyone

01:31:32.860 on the planet to any place they wanted to go without restriction. You would just be subject

01:31:36.660 to the rules within when you were there. This would mean that your home will cease to exist.

01:31:43.760 The, uh, the place you grew up and the things that you liked won't be there anymore.

01:31:47.700 And the argument from the left is so what, who cares? And the argument from the right is

01:31:51.000 typically like, but I like the things that I grew up with, you know? And I think this,

01:31:54.920 this is that you can look at Jonathan Knight's moral foundations and actually see, uh, let me,

01:31:59.160 let me pull up the moral foundations actually. Cause I want to know which one, uh, this would fall

01:32:05.180 under. Moral foundations theory. Uh, okay. You have care, fairness, loyalty, authority, and purity.

01:32:13.040 There are a few others that have been, um, proposed equality, proportionality, liberty, honor,

01:32:17.240 ownership, but I believe the, the originals care, fairness, loyalty, authority, and purity.

01:32:22.780 I wonder, you know, they ended up adding Liberty as a sixth moral foundation because they found

01:32:28.080 there were some people who had no moral foundations at all. The only thing they cared about was,

01:32:30.920 am I free to do what I want? You'd be free to do what you want. But, uh, purity, I think has to do

01:32:36.040 with disgust and contamination. I think purity is the moral foundation that, uh, the right has the

01:32:42.440 left certainly does not. The left only has care and fairness. Typically they don't care about purity.

01:32:47.240 So in the, in the, if you take the moral foundations test, which I recommend everybody does,

01:32:50.660 it's really fun. Some of these questions are horrifying. One of them is actually, let me,

01:32:55.800 let me see if I can find the actual, uh, the actual test itself to give you an example.

01:33:00.000 Cause, uh, we can show it. Mole foundations test. I'm typoing. Here we go. IDR labs. Uh,

01:33:06.660 here's an example of one of the moral foundations questions. Oh, it's, it's, it's actually the

01:33:10.360 question that I was looking for. This is fantastic. Hannah inherited an old flag of her country

01:33:14.740 from her father, but has never used it. One day when Hannah is cleaning the house,

01:33:18.800 she discovers that she is out of rags. So she uses the flag as a rag to clean the house.

01:33:23.760 And there's varying degrees of, is it not okay? Kind of okay. No, not really. Okay.

01:33:29.160 To it's totally fine. I gotta be honest. I am filled with a violent rage at the thought of someone

01:33:34.100 taking a flag of their country and using it as a rag. That fills me with a deep, violent passion.

01:33:42.700 You know, to put it simply, if I saw somebody grab an American flag, like I'll put it this way.

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01:35:15.640 Desecrated or whatever. I don't like it, but it's yours. I guess if someone took a like actual

01:35:25.880 aged American flag that was literally used in any context, any context flown at a school or

01:35:30.600 whatever, and they tried to use as a rag, I would physically stop them. I would, I would, I would,

01:35:35.300 I would not, I'm not saying I would harm them. I would be like, you are not going to do that.

01:35:39.140 That's like, I don't know. I don't like the idea and I can go into great details to why,

01:35:43.880 but this is something the right has. The left typically does not not always, but typically

01:35:47.460 doesn't think about what that means for a country. I see the American flag. I see the blood, sweat,

01:35:54.580 and tears, the sacrifice of blood and treasure for all that came before us. We tried to preserve this

01:35:58.500 to give a, to create a better life for their children to simply to, to, to, to keep it simple.

01:36:04.100 So the American flag to me represents the tree that was planted that our ancestors knew they

01:36:10.640 would never get to sit beneath. And as the saying goes, society grows great. When people plant trees

01:36:15.860 whose shade, they know they were not, they will never sit beneath for the left. They don't care

01:36:19.340 at all. They will chop that tree down so they can make tables and chairs. And then we have no shade.

01:36:24.980 And I think that leads to a detriment of, it leads to suffering. That's why I'm simply put like,

01:36:29.980 do not desecrate the flag. It is a reminder. It is the idea that must be preserved.

01:36:34.100 So we understand where we come from for those that don't remember the past,

01:36:37.420 they're doomed to repeat it. If the left doesn't care about this, that means you will have city

01:36:45.740 center. Uh, Hey, how about a community center? You grew up there, you played basketball,

01:36:53.560 you played hockey, your friends were there, you had bake sales, you had, um, prom or whatever.

01:37:00.000 And you're like, this was a wholesome, fun moment. That was, it was, um, it was for, for me,

01:37:08.400 a major part of my development. And I want my kids to share that. I want them to experience these good,

01:37:13.760 positive things that led me to be a good moral person, to have memories that I would never,

01:37:17.840 never want to forget. And then one day you show up and the police have taken over the building and

01:37:22.740 they've put a bunch of illegal immigrants in it, which is what they're doing now. I think it's in

01:37:25.820 Massachusetts. This is what the left will do to you. They don't care about the good memories you

01:37:31.200 have and the things that helped you become a good person. Literally don't care. That's a

01:37:35.300 terrifying prospect for what's going to happen to this country.

01:37:37.820 Well, they have an agenda of radical social transformation that they understand Americans

01:37:42.580 who are born in this country will never accept. And so that's why they need to import these

01:37:46.780 foreigners to come to the country to eventually gain citizenship and then the right to vote so they

01:37:51.740 can bring about this radical social transformation. And so you're going to lose your identity. You're

01:37:56.980 going to lose your country. I know Donald Trump says, if you don't have a border, you don't have

01:38:01.240 a country. If you don't have an identity, you don't preserve and protect your identity and your

01:38:04.980 culture. You also don't have the same country that you were born into. And so I think it's really

01:38:09.020 important to not only protect our borders from the invasion of illegal immigrants coming into the

01:38:13.460 country, but also to preserve our culture and our traditions and our history.

01:38:17.440 Yeah. I mean, I agree with a lot of that. I think what it's important to understand in the context

01:38:24.720 of what you just described is that, yes, there are a portion of that power structure that feels

01:38:30.460 and acts the way that you do. But a lot of them, they look at their idealist. They want everybody

01:38:36.420 to have the same things that they have. And they see this as a way to do that. They don't necessarily

01:38:41.860 see the repercussions of their actions. They're part of the powerless that empowers the majority

01:38:47.380 power in this circumstance. And they're kind of just misled because this isn't the way to solve

01:38:53.200 those problems. This is the way to consolidate power. If you actually wanted to solve those

01:38:57.720 problems, it's to debate these issues in Congress, to write actual immigration policy, to create a real

01:39:04.160 border with real security that you can actually stop bad people from getting in and also allow good

01:39:10.100 people to come in and work in your country. Because we do have a population issue. And if you want to be

01:39:15.400 a strong sovereign nation, you need to have a strong population. It helps the economy. It helps

01:39:20.480 the communities. It helps everything. And so there is a balance to be had here. And our leaders just

01:39:26.820 don't want to talk about it. They just want to manipulate things to their side of the aisle so

01:39:31.500 they can be either in the majority or the minority.

01:39:33.740 Yeah. And it goes with what you were saying before about, I think Tim was talking about how the

01:39:39.400 Democrats act in lockstep with one another because they're on a war footing against this country in

01:39:45.520 my view. And so they're going to vote together as a single block. They don't ever have, we never see

01:39:50.220 in the news how, like you were saying, a couple of Democrats voted with the Republicans, right? You

01:39:54.240 always see the other way around. The Republicans are giving way to the Democrats to do something.

01:39:57.180 And that's because they have this agenda of radical social transformation that they are

01:40:02.080 behind. And they don't like the history and the culture and the traditional values of this country

01:40:08.440 and its founding. It's why these symbols don't matter to them. That's why they're willing to

01:40:11.820 burn them or step on them, use them as a rag. For example, it doesn't matter to them. They don't

01:40:16.660 want that. They remove these statues from our parks because they want to erase history, not to

01:40:20.460 restore and to protect our history. And so we're talking about losing your country, not just because

01:40:25.180 you're being invaded by illegal immigrants, but because the people within our own government

01:40:29.220 want to erase our history and don't respect our culture and our traditions.

01:40:33.600 I think what that is, is insecurity. Like, I think it's just a bunch of insecure leaders that are,

01:40:38.540 they look back at mistakes that we've made in the past. They don't understand them and they're ashamed.

01:40:43.540 And there's really no reason to be ashamed at the decisions that people have made in the past.

01:40:48.100 Our job of living in the president is to learn from them and to grow from them and teach our

01:40:53.100 children how to do better. We shouldn't look back and feel that way about ourselves.

01:40:57.680 Yeah. And like Vivek says, you know, these people, they need some kind of cause to coalesce around and

01:41:04.440 they don't know what that is. And so they want to take down statues because it makes them feel good

01:41:08.240 that the person that's represented in that statue, for example, Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.

01:41:12.980 So it makes them feel good about themselves that they did something against slavery, because that

01:41:16.640 would be a noble thing to do, to stand up against slavery and do something about slavery. But

01:41:19.580 slavery is abolished in this country. So we don't need to have a campaign against slavery anymore.

01:41:24.160 So they are coalescing around these kind of fake pseudo campaigns because it makes them feel good

01:41:29.420 inside, but it really is detrimental to the country because we're losing our culture and we're losing

01:41:33.260 our traditions and our history because of it. I can't remember who said it, but they said this

01:41:37.120 country is a supply and demand problem when it comes to racism. And that largely in the 90s and early

01:41:42.920 2000s, you saw whether it was comedians or just the average person on the street, right? Things were pretty good.

01:41:48.960 And now that we've gotten so far and up until like, I'd say 2016, that racism has become such a big

01:41:57.600 thing now, right? People aren't being racist to each other when they walk on the street now, but that

01:42:01.480 statue that's been in the park for a hundred years, oh, I'm oppressed. It's hurting who I am as a

01:42:08.040 person. And I can't remember who said it, but it's true that they have nothing to rally behind. So

01:42:13.540 they're kind of fabricating things.

01:42:15.180 And sometimes it's not even them that are offended. They're offended on behalf of other

01:42:19.180 people who themselves are not offended by it. I mean, look at the situation with the

01:42:23.560 Washington football team, the commanders now, right?

01:42:27.600 That's a terrible name.

01:42:28.540 Isn't there, I think I heard that there are Native American groups that want to return the name of

01:42:33.660 the Redskins to that team. They're not the ones offended, but the people who got the NFL or the

01:42:38.660 football team to change their names are the ones who were offended on behalf of people who

01:42:41.600 themselves are not offended. So they're just looking for a campaign, looking for a cause to

01:42:46.320 throwing things at the wall to see what, what sticks in it. And it's, it's hurting the country

01:42:50.180 because everyone gets divided because of it.

01:42:52.700 So while you guys are talking, I took the moral foundations test. I am a Liberty conservative.

01:42:57.280 A Liberty conservative.

01:42:58.640 It's probably, probably a bit too strong to say it says my strongest moral foundation is Liberty,

01:43:03.040 but I'm closest to that of conservative. And it's actually really simple to break down.

01:43:06.880 First, I would say it doesn't mean I'm a conservative. I think it actually probably

01:43:10.960 means I'm more libertarian than anything. But, uh, if you take a look at the moral foundations

01:43:15.460 test, we pull this up, give you a general understanding. So the blue graph from the,

01:43:20.420 uh, test is left liberal. The red bar is conservative and the yellow is libertarian.

01:43:26.720 Green is me. So if you look at care and fairness, you can see that, uh, left liberals on average have

01:43:31.840 very high care and fairness, loyalty, authority, purity, extremely low. And Liberty is, is a bit

01:43:37.960 balanced. Conservatives have care and fairness at about 60% loyalty, about the same authority,

01:43:43.560 about the same purity, about the same and Liberty, a little bit high. So, uh, when you look at my

01:43:48.240 moral foundations, they're actually very close to your average conservative, except I'm a little

01:43:53.060 bit more libertarian, which I think makes sense. Cause I, I, I talk about that quite a bit. And if you

01:43:57.040 take a look at the guests that we tend to have, that's the case, this is actually worrying to me.

01:44:02.540 The idea that liberals don't care much for loyalty, authority, or purity. And it's not

01:44:07.580 surprising when you take a look at their politics. This, I think really does explain the divide

01:44:13.460 politically in this country very, very much so. And it doesn't, doesn't a way that's outside the

01:44:18.000 context of policy. You could care about authority or not authority and be pro or anti-police.

01:44:24.020 You could, you could have, you know, conservatives tend to be back the blue, right? But you could be

01:44:28.420 totally in support of police while condemning certain police actions and being an advocate

01:44:32.360 for police reform. That being said, what scares me the most is purity. The left liberals have almost

01:44:40.120 none and purity is rooted in avoiding disease and like disgusting food and refuse. So take a look at

01:44:50.500 our cities and the crime and the look at San Francisco. San Francisco is exactly, exactly what

01:44:56.200 you get. You get poop all over the streets, just, just littered everywhere. So I think I'm a, I love

01:45:03.640 this moral foundations test. It's usually the, every time I do it, it's about the exact same, but

01:45:09.560 sometimes it'll say I'm more, uh, it'll say I'm a liberal or left leaning liberal or whatever, even

01:45:14.320 though it's like, I'm still always way more for purity. And, uh, I'm surprised the authority

01:45:20.200 was as high as it was to be completely honest, that of an average conservative that could be due

01:45:24.360 to, uh, changes in my views over the past few, uh, years due to what we're witnessing happening

01:45:29.520 to this country. And perhaps the realization that if we don't have some kind of order, you get nothing

01:45:36.520 in this country just falls apart. I don't know. What do you guys think you'd land? Like in terms of,

01:45:42.240 I feel I'd probably land pretty similar to you. I consider myself like a conservative progressive.

01:45:47.680 Um, I want to preserve the things that deserve to be preserved, but I want to progress society

01:45:52.620 forward to share, share the, you know, that with everyone else. What's interesting is, uh, how similar

01:45:59.240 libertarians and liberals are to each other, but, uh, they just strongly believe in Liberty. Some of the

01:46:04.200 questions on this thing, holy crap, I don't want to read, but I'll read them anyway. Um, one of the

01:46:10.820 questions is a man orders a lifelike sex doll designed to be his niece. Right. And I'm like,

01:46:17.660 as not okay as not okay can be, but how are you supposed to perceive these questions? Are you

01:46:23.760 supposed to put yourself in those shoes and say, this is not okay. Are you supposed to be like, okay,

01:46:27.880 well that's somebody else. I don't have to think about it. Well, the interesting thing about it is,

01:46:32.060 um, it's actually difficult to interpret what it means to be okay or not. Okay. I'm trying to see

01:46:38.660 if I can trigger it again. Cause it's just, is there a way to like retake the test? I don't know.

01:46:43.720 Uh, some of the questions it's like, it asks you if it's okay or not, but what does that mean? Is it

01:46:49.200 okay? Like it's not a yes or no, yes or no question. One of them, you know, it's like, uh, a woman asks a

01:46:55.740 guy in a date and he says, why would I date someone who looks like an overweight bulldog?

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01:48:33.700 Because for me, I'm like, that's not okay. Yeah, but I think it should be totally legal.

01:48:37.220 And I would laugh if I heard someone say it. You know what I mean? I'm saying like,

01:48:41.160 I would not advocate someone do that. You probably shouldn't. But if someone did, I would laugh.

01:48:44.340 So what does that mean? Is it okay or is it not okay? I don't know. How do you answer that question?

01:48:49.300 Some of them are good. Anyway, building off of this in terms of like these moral foundations,

01:48:56.500 what's interesting to me is the geographical polarization we've been seeing. And you mentioned

01:49:02.360 with Gavin Newsom, you've got this, you know, decrease in population. I'm just wondering like,

01:49:07.820 what happens? I was saying Pacifica or whatever would starve to death. You know, maybe that's

01:49:13.320 unfair. They would eat each other to death first. So they'd be well fed, but, you know, consuming

01:49:18.240 human flesh or something because, you know, people wouldn't want to die. But I'm curious, like,

01:49:22.580 what happens when you take this, this polarization we're seeing in the United States is clearly,

01:49:29.420 you know, you look at this moral foundations test, you can see some people care about like the

01:49:32.920 sanctity and purity of what this nation is and represents and what it can be. Some people don't care

01:49:36.920 at all. What will these two distinct bodies look like? You know what I mean? Like, what will they

01:49:42.820 be fighting for? And why would they be fighting? And what would that result in? Like, imagine you

01:49:47.780 took every conservative and put them in one place. We're going to have American flags everywhere.

01:49:52.120 Is it going to look like World War II Italy or something? Or is it going to look like 1950s America

01:49:58.300 is the left? What's that? What's that going to look like? Like, what does this become?

01:50:03.120 Well, I think that the left really thinks that they can achieve like this. I use this

01:50:06.820 word utopia multiple times. And I think that their, their vision is, is based on a future where

01:50:12.400 they think they can achieve this utopia. And many societies in the past have always, or not always,

01:50:17.860 but many societies in the past have pursued this idea of utopian and always fails because utopia

01:50:21.800 is itself unachievable. Well, I don't know if I agree. I think the default left liberal probably wants

01:50:30.720 a utopia, but is in no way politically engaged or informed in any, in any way, or even trying to

01:50:36.260 bring it about. Then you have powerful elites on the Democrat side or the progressive side who know

01:50:43.500 you'll never have a utopia, but no, they can exploit stupid people for personal gain. And then on the

01:50:50.520 right, you have everyone arguing with each other over the right way to do things.

01:50:53.440 Yeah. I mean, I agree. I don't think that there's something they can achieve and that

01:50:56.420 they're not going to be motivated to do it, but that's, I think it's in their mind. And a lot of

01:51:01.180 people on the left, we call them a keyboard warriors. They're, they're activists online,

01:51:06.240 but they don't actually want to go out and do something. That's one of the, by the way,

01:51:08.780 one of the problems we had with Cal exit was a lot of support for it online, a lot of support for it,

01:51:12.980 even in the polls. But when you're getting people to go out and do something for it,

01:51:15.740 they don't want to. Well, it's, it's, it's, it's the right. That is the keyboard warriors.

01:51:18.900 I've seen it. Oh, I'm well from California. I've seen it on the left too, with how the far left

01:51:23.640 goes outside and burns things down. Is that activism? Well, I mean, it's active. It is

01:51:29.740 active. I'm talking about within the parameters of, of legal activism. I mean, the left, yeah,

01:51:35.880 they go out and burn things down, but just, just, we don't need to talk about legal activism. I mean,

01:51:40.420 it's just fervor, passion or whatever, but they're just, they're more organized. I mean,

01:51:45.280 at the end of the day, like when I, when I, I've knocked doors for Republican candidates and

01:51:49.760 Democratic candidates, when you show up to knock doors for a Republican candidate, you it's show

01:51:54.560 up at nine, the person with the literature is there at nine 15. Um, there's supposed to be coffee

01:51:58.640 and donuts. There's no coffee and donuts. All the literature are scattered in the back of a trunk.

01:52:02.360 They say, here's your pile. Here's, you have to set you up on the app and you're out the door at 10.

01:52:06.880 When you show up to knock at doors for the, for the Democrats, your literature is pre-packaged,

01:52:12.480 counted out for each door that you're going to knock. Your app is already set up and you get

01:52:16.560 there at nine and you're out the door at nine Oh five. Okay. Oh yeah. It's just a more efficient

01:52:20.240 way of getting things done. Well, I used to work for, uh, when I did nonprofit fundraising,

01:52:24.240 various organizations that were for Democrat or progressive causes, environmentalism,

01:52:27.920 things like that. And I ultimately stopped because they're liars, but, uh, yeah, you walk in,

01:52:32.400 they hand you a binder. It's got everything you need, signup forms, postcards, and it's fascinating.

01:52:38.560 You know, you'll, you'll get some 20 year old kid who has no idea about anything, but they're told,

01:52:45.680 don't worry. This is how you do good. And they go, okay, I guess. And then you get a postcard

01:52:48.800 and the postcard says, dear Senator, you know, what's his face. Here's what we think. Here's

01:52:54.080 how we think it. Here's what we want you to do. They say, go out and fill out 10 of these. Every

01:52:57.920 time you go out, they're not mandatory, but we try to get these done. And then what happens,

01:53:02.000 they get 50,000 of these postcards and mail them all at once and massive garbage bags full of,

01:53:10.720 you know, these postcards land in a Senator's office. And he's like, what is this? And they're

01:53:14.800 like, take a look. And it's all of these people saying, we do not want fracking. And he's like,

01:53:20.160 okay, no fracking. It is. Guess what? The people who asked other people to fill those cards have no

01:53:27.440 idea what the card said. And the people who filled it out don't care either. But the Senator,

01:53:31.760 the Congressman, they believe it. They buy it because they can't actually talk to their community

01:53:35.440 because there's too many people in their community. And this allows corruption to happen. That's what

01:53:40.640 our founders were afraid of, of a small body would become corrupt. And that's exactly what happens.

01:53:45.920 They're manipulating the process. They're manipulating the communication between the people

01:53:51.840 and the representative. And now the representative thinks they're acting in a virtuous way when in reality,

01:53:56.880 it's completely BS. Well, what would you, I mean, if we were to, like, didn't the Constitution

01:54:02.800 originally put the number at 30,000? It's one in every 30,000 originally. And they actually,

01:54:08.560 the first proposed amendment to the Constitution was to make it continuous, like to always be that.

01:54:15.840 But what would be the number of congressmen we'd have today if it was at one of 30,000?

01:54:19.120 A lot. I don't know off the top of my head. It's like 27.

01:54:22.240 So I think it's 6,800 something.

01:54:26.000 Oh, 6,000. Yeah.

01:54:26.720 So here's, here's the first. So, uh, this is really amazing because the original first

01:54:31.520 amendment is still pending ratification status. So the first one said after the first enumeration

01:54:36.880 required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one representative for every 30,000

01:54:41.280 until the number shall amount to 100, after which portion shall be so regulated by Congress

01:54:46.560 that there shall not be less than 100 representatives, nor less than one representative for every 40,000

01:54:51.840 persons. It actually capped at 50,000. The idea was once they got to 200 members of Congress,

01:54:57.920 each rep would have 50,000 people. It's now 775,000. You ain't never going to talk to your

01:55:03.120 member of Congress. They don't care what you think. They care what they care about their donors think.

01:55:07.200 And so what ends up happening?

01:55:08.560 And it's not even, by the way, real quick, it's not even, uh, equal 575. There's some

01:55:12.800 district that have six, 700,000 in California. Some have 400,000 in Wyoming. So there's a

01:55:18.240 discrepancy there as well.

01:55:19.520 What ends up happening though is, hey, you're a member of Congress. You want to get reelected.

01:55:24.160 How do you get reelected? Okay. Well, it used to be, you would go to community gatherings in your

01:55:28.240 district. That's 50,000 people. So you could reasonably, you actually could talk to them.

01:55:32.240 You would say, put out the word, send a letter to the local town. They'll put up notice. I'm

01:55:37.680 going to be there on this day. And you know, three, 400 people show up and you do that 15,

01:55:42.480 20 times. And eventually you start getting to large portions of the actual voting base.

01:55:46.240 You've talked to now. It's actually much simpler. You say, I don't know or care who any of these people

01:55:53.120 are, but there's this rich guy who lives in my district. Who's going to give my pack $2 million.

01:55:57.360 And I can buy a lot of TV ads with that. So guess who gets whatever they want.

01:56:01.600 It ain't you.

01:56:06.080 The silence is happening.

01:56:07.040 I just, I just waited. I wanted everyone like, you will, you will never have a large,

01:56:12.560 louder voice than the guy who can fund a super PAC.

01:56:14.400 Yeah. And it, and again, because the, the concentration of power, because the body is small,

01:56:21.520 it encourages that thing. Because when I walked into politics and I said, Hey, look, I, I started

01:56:28.320 studying history and I realized that our legislative body is too small and Citizens United gave control

01:56:34.080 to corporations. And they said, well, you can't change that. That's just the way it is. You have

01:56:38.240 to learn how to work inside the new system. And I said, no, change the system, decentralized power,

01:56:43.760 give me power back, give my neighbors power back, give my community power back. Because otherwise,

01:56:48.800 how are you going to know how to govern us? Eventually you're going to lead us off a cliff

01:56:52.560 because back to the, the leaders are insecure. They're insecure because they don't actually

01:56:57.600 know what to do because it's just a lot of work. Like at the end of the day, I kind of sympathize

01:57:01.200 for the people in office because it's got to be really hard to do their job because there are

01:57:06.160 200 million more people now than there were in 1910 when they originally capped the house.

01:57:12.080 Yeah. And in the house representatives, they spend most of their time just campaigning for

01:57:15.360 the next election and raising money for the respective parties. So when it comes to actually

01:57:20.000 doing their work, they probably defer to their analysts. And then what happens is party leadership

01:57:26.320 in the house are the ones who get you elected. So what we've seen over the, in 2022, for instance,

01:57:31.760 there were many great Republican candidates who were crushed by party leadership because they were

01:57:37.760 like, no, no, we don't support you. We support the other guy. And so then the people we actually

01:57:40.960 wanted lose because they don't get the financial support from the machine. I want to give a shout

01:57:45.040 out to, uh, the fifth article, which became the second amendment, a well-regulated militia composed

01:57:51.200 of the body of the people being the best security of a free state. The right of the people to keep

01:57:56.160 and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled

01:58:00.800 to render military service in person. If only that's what they actually ratified.

01:58:05.200 They didn't want to include the last bit because they, uh, uh, they feared that it would,

01:58:10.960 it would, it would make it so they couldn't have conscription. And we needed that. How else you

01:58:15.440 conscript the militia, the, the, the armed men and women of the people to fight. If you say no one

01:58:21.120 should have to do it. The issue though is legally had they included that it created a clear distinction

01:58:26.800 between regulated being a military force and the body of the people. In its initial writing,

01:58:34.240 there would be no argument right now. The liberals are like a well-regulated militia means you are in

01:58:38.480 the government. The government regulates you. And so it's only about having a militia controlled by

01:58:42.160 the government. When the original was like, actually like, no, no, no, you will not be compelled to

01:58:46.640 render military service and you can keep and bear arms. It meant anyone could have it. So it's like,

01:58:52.000 can we just go back to look at what they really meant when they wrote that? Well, they got,

01:58:54.960 they got rid of that part because they're like, no, we want conscription though.

01:58:57.440 I mean, I think the most important part about the second amendment is if you think about it,

01:59:01.440 as far as your safety on us, you know, as a sovereign nation, if another nation invades you

01:59:07.840 and you go to war, both militaries are going to expend their already, you know, trained officers.

01:59:15.760 And once that happens, who does the advantage go to the country that doesn't have weapons that

01:59:21.440 needs to be trained, how to use a gun first, or the country where everybody has a weapon in their

01:59:27.680 house at some place and has gone to a firing range and understands how to use it for fun for

01:59:32.800 fun. Right. But it makes you safer as an American citizen to know this and other nations know this

01:59:38.560 too. You know, like we talk about Sparta and how they have like, everyone's a warrior. The only way

01:59:44.720 a Spartan, there's only one way a male Spartan and a female Spartan could get a gravestone.

01:59:50.960 The male Spartan had to die in battle and the female had to die in childbirth. Otherwise you

01:59:55.520 were not worthy of being remembered. And so we look back on that, like, man, it was so barbaric.

02:00:00.240 Like I read that they would take a baby and leave it in the woods overnight or whatever. And if it

02:00:04.320 didn't survive, it didn't deserve to, or I don't know if that's true or not, but like these wild

02:00:07.920 stories, imagine how wild it's going to be in a hundred years. What are they going to say about us?

02:00:11.120 They're going to be like, America was comprised of people who engaged in combat play for fun

02:00:18.640 cultures of war as a game, going out and shooting guns, hitting targets and destroying things.

02:00:26.320 It's, it's, it's kind of Spartan in that regard. And so you look at these other countries and they're

02:00:30.060 like, no, we shouldn't do any of that stuff. And I'm like, well, you know, we're going to win if we

02:00:32.880 ever go to war. So a body of people who enjoy the practice of combat as a sport where they're not

02:00:39.240 actually hurting it, but you know, it's, you know, maybe paintball or airsoft or whatever.

02:00:44.420 We, we, we play with guns. Like you don't want to, you don't want to go to war with us.

02:00:48.420 It has nothing to do with our aircraft carriers and our nuclear missiles and our satellite tech.

02:00:51.420 It has to do with, you ain't never going to come here. The moment you land a boat,

02:00:55.420 everybody just points their gun out the window and they're like, now you can leave.

02:00:58.860 Well, even when the British were like, we talked about in the beginning, uh, occupying America,

02:01:03.520 the 13 colonies, they had to stay near the shore. Uh, they couldn't get food in inland. The, you

02:01:08.940 know, 90, 90% of the population were living on farms at the time yet. They had to stay near the

02:01:13.500 shore near their supply lines. So could you imagine if they tried to like, so I'll, I'll tell you this

02:01:18.140 sure, California, much less guns, but the gangs have much more guns. We just don't, don't know for

02:01:25.520 sure. Could you imagine like, you know, I don't know, China tries to invade the West coast.

02:01:30.260 Sure. A bunch of uppity white liberals would be like, help, help. We're under attack.

02:01:33.520 And all of the gangs would be like, we got this. Like, yeah, what we're trying to do there?

02:01:38.760 Like there's a whole bunch of just dudes running around with guns everywhere. Good luck. It was,

02:01:43.380 it was, it's bad enough for the United States trying to combat like a bunch of guys living

02:01:46.740 in the mountains with, with AK 47s in Afghanistan. What do you think it would be like for an invading

02:01:51.220 force encountering New York or, or Los Angeles gangs, let alone Chicago. I'm sorry. Ain't nobody

02:01:56.280 ever going to be able to occupy Chicago. It's just never going to happen. The government could

02:02:01.020 surrender and the gangs would be like, nah, just no. Yeah. I do want to give a shout out to while

02:02:06.340 we're at the third amendment, which was the six article. No soldier shall in a time of peace be

02:02:11.480 courted in any house without the consent of the owner, nor in a time of war, but in a manner to

02:02:15.680 be prescribed by law. What's fascinating about this is nobody cares about the third amendment.

02:02:18.440 It's never really come up, but it might actually come up now more because what I think the Supreme

02:02:25.860 court ruling on it, it's not about soldiers in your house. It's about the government using your

02:02:31.680 house period. So the third amendment says no soldier shall be quartered, but when it came to

02:02:37.420 the actual argument, the actual interpretation is the government shall not be able to use the private

02:02:41.640 property of an individual unless in a manner prescribed by law, only in a time of war, I guess,

02:02:48.840 which has huge implications on eminent domain and things like that.

02:02:52.720 Yeah. And I've seen some of the case law about that was even used to, with, with respect to

02:02:56.300 surveillance teams from civil police. Right. And so it's not just about the troops. And I think

02:03:01.460 when it comes to modern interpretations of it, we may need to have an expanded understanding to say

02:03:07.100 that they can't force us to house illegal immigrants in our houses. Uh, that could be a

02:03:11.460 government use. They're already using some of the community centers, the schools, other, uh, public

02:03:17.100 facilities are being used to house illegal immigrants. Uh, what if they started telling you that you have

02:03:21.620 to put them in your house? They're already asking people to do it voluntarily. And I think I saw a

02:03:25.940 story about a couple in, I think it was Massachusetts or somewhere over in new England where they have

02:03:30.420 agreed to do that, setting the example, but, uh, that's, that's great for them. If they want to house

02:03:35.880 illegal immigrants, that's more power to them, but I don't think that Americans should be forced

02:03:39.640 to do that. But what happens if we get to the point where there's so many of them here

02:03:42.500 and there's nowhere else to put them, there are no more schools to commandeer, no more community

02:03:48.180 centers. And all of a sudden, well, we can't have them out on the street.

02:03:51.880 Well, you, you see what, uh, is going on now with, I think it's Massachusetts. Was that where it was,

02:03:56.140 where they said people should take the illegal immigrants into their homes, the refugees, I'm sorry.

02:04:01.080 And, uh, it's fascinating because there's this video of this white woman and she's like,

02:04:04.480 it's great. It's like, I have my own personal chef. Well, the narrator says that the journal,

02:04:08.280 the reporter says she feels like she has her own chef and it shows the migrant cooking food or

02:04:13.160 whatever. And it's like, what did, what do we call it when somebody would be provided room and

02:04:18.920 board in exchange for labor? There's a variety of terms for it. I think, uh, I think the one you're

02:04:23.880 looking for is slavery. Yeah. You know, it's a lot of people are saying to be fair that the Haitians

02:04:28.160 could leave whenever they want, you know, there's a perfectly fine dumpster outside to sleep in.

02:04:32.600 So it's kind of funny because it's like slavery with just, uh, a coercive barrier where it's,

02:04:38.200 we're not forcing you to stay here and cook for us. You can leave anytime you want. You know,

02:04:43.040 it's 20 degrees outside and there's no food and nowhere to go. So why don't you just cook the

02:04:48.460 paella and shut up? I think that, I mean, what is force is force physically holding somebody down

02:04:54.140 or creating a circumstance where they have no other choices? Well, I think slavery is apt because,

02:04:58.620 um, the, the, the, the famous quote that I've said a million times the past month, Harriet

02:05:03.420 Tumman, I freed many slaves. I would have freed many more if only they knew they were slaves.

02:05:07.900 What people don't understand about slavery typically is because they get their, their view

02:05:12.280 of it from movies where all slaves were being beaten in fields, which certainly happened and

02:05:17.000 it's horrifying, but there were a lot of slaves who were like cobblers. They worked in a shop in a

02:05:21.480 city and they made shoes and they actually got paid money, but they had no freedom, no rights.

02:05:26.360 They couldn't go where they wanted to go. And the only reason they were able to hold and trade

02:05:29.480 money was because it was easier for the slave owner than having to buy the clothes for them

02:05:32.740 instead. However, there were slaves who bought their freedom because they were able to earn

02:05:37.960 enough money and then eventually paid. And it was fascinating when I was reading about all this

02:05:42.760 stuff, the idea that you could be a slave and buy your own freedom or buy the freedom of others.

02:05:46.860 It was like, yeah, but you know, you were sort of just exchanging value. And most people don't

02:05:52.660 understand what the actual slave economies were like in the South.

02:05:55.720 So slave, so freedom is not the ability to maybe have a job and make money. Freedom is the ability

02:06:03.000 to have a say in writing the rules. Freedom is having representation. And when you have a country

02:06:08.500 that's consolidated the power into 435, you've stripped the freedom out from a lot of people.

02:06:15.200 So you're basically saying we're slaves.

02:06:16.920 I'm not saying we're slaves. I'm saying that we're just in a really difficult moment in our time.

02:06:20.940 And we just have to think critically about how to solve the problems.

02:06:23.780 There was a viral meme where it said something like the slaves of Egypt were only grant,

02:06:27.460 had to give 20% of all of their labor to the Pharaoh or whatever. And that was slavery.

02:06:34.720 And the idea of it back then was it is not feasible for a monarch to control the economic

02:06:43.380 pursuits of every single individual they own who has no say. And so it's easier just to say,

02:06:48.460 you give me X percent of all the labor you produce and then spend the rest as you see fit.

02:06:53.940 The big difference was the general idea is they have no say. They can't leave. They can be,

02:06:58.780 they have no rights. They have no free speech. They just get to spend money as they see fit.

02:07:03.300 Today, do we really have free speech? Kind of, you know, it is better to a certain degree.

02:07:08.980 You can get arrested for obscenity. Gun rights are, are, are, are certainly getting better and

02:07:13.500 better, but the ability to write the rules and have a say in government, I don't believe

02:07:17.360 exists so much anymore. So large portions, around 40 to 50% of all of our wealth generated

02:07:23.440 is taken from us for things we don't want, like war being the obvious one. And if you want to change

02:07:30.840 the rules, you can't, you can't because the deep state will slide a picture of JFK, JFK across the

02:07:37.320 table. So you, you don't act up and, um, your opinions don't matter to members of Congress.

02:07:42.440 Yeah. And if you, I mean, I agree that you do have generally free speech in this country and

02:07:46.460 certainly a lot more free speech in this country than other countries, especially in some that I've

02:07:49.940 lived in. But on the same token, if you say something that is not accepted or, uh, the, the government

02:07:59.620 or the establishment approves of, and you make enough noise, they'll come after you. And, uh,

02:08:05.060 you don't have to be a politician for that. You can be any activist. If you ruffle enough feathers,

02:08:10.600 rock the boat, and your unapproved, unacceptable opinion makes enough noise, you can find yourself

02:08:16.920 under investigation. I don't, I don't see a simple solution, anything like decentralization. I get,

02:08:21.720 um, but man, the ideological homogenization, uh, polarization, not homogenization, the ideological

02:08:30.300 homogenization, uh, polarization that we're seeing in this country, how do you decentralize ideology?

02:08:36.660 You have conversations. Well, you have conversations, but come on. And I mean, it's,

02:08:43.020 it, there is, you're right. There is no simple solution to the problems that we have,

02:08:46.840 but you can't have conversations with a cult. I mean, if you call them a cult, no, you can't

02:08:52.180 have a conversation. It doesn't matter what you call them. If you, but if, but if you stand there

02:08:55.900 and you, you know, if you walk into their neighborhood and you say, Hey, I'm here

02:08:59.840 knocking doors for the guy that normally doesn't knock the doors. What do you consider to be the

02:09:04.400 problem? And then they, they surprise you with saying Congress, Congress is the problem. And then

02:09:09.600 you start talking about the issues and you find out that you have a lot more in common

02:09:13.400 than you otherwise would have known. There are certainly instances where the right and the

02:09:18.440 left have been like, if we can agree on this thing, can we at least do that? And I still don't

02:09:22.900 happen. So, uh, there's one viral video from a couple of years ago where a woman was going

02:09:27.540 knocking on doors and she got attacked because she was pro-life. She was going to knock on doors

02:09:32.360 and asking people and having conversations and she got physically attacked. Uh, yeah, I call them a

02:09:36.900 cult cause they're a cult. Right. And I'll give you an explanation. I'll give you a good story.

02:09:39.900 Um, it is, uh, why am I forgetting the guy's name? The famous blues musician. Uh, man, I

02:09:48.800 can't believe I'm forgetting his name. He's awesome. He, uh, de-radicalized the clan. You

02:09:51.920 guys know what I'm talking about? I'm confusing him with someone else and I don't want to get

02:09:55.140 the name wrong. So let me, everybody in the chat knows the only person I can think of

02:10:00.680 is Coltrane, but it's, uh, Daryl Davis. I want to say David. I'm like, it's not David,

02:10:06.660 it's Daryl Davis. So we invited Daryl Davis to speak at an event we were having. He is

02:10:12.100 famous for being this, uh, he's this old black blues musician who one day said to himself,

02:10:16.520 I don't understand how someone could hate me if they never met me. So he went to clan

02:10:19.240 rallies and, uh, they were all racist. They didn't attack him or anything. He talked to

02:10:24.460 him and he said, and they had a lot of views and they were backwards. And, uh, eventually

02:10:29.800 by getting to know him, a lot of these guys were like, you know, everything they told me

02:10:32.460 was not true. None of these things describe you, Daryl. You're a good dude. And that did

02:10:36.140 radicalize him. One of my favorite stories was that he met this like prominent Klansman

02:10:41.120 who was very racist. And he, he heard that, uh, the guy was a big fan of this, uh, you

02:10:46.540 know, rock and roll legend. I can't remember the exact name. This guy owned his famous car

02:10:50.500 and he was talking to him one day and he asked him like, you know, kind of music is he

02:10:54.180 into? And the guy mentioned he's a huge fan of this rock and roll guy. And Daryl being

02:10:57.380 a well-known industry musician said, yeah, I can get you in the museum. You want to sit

02:11:01.400 in the car? And the guy was like, what? And he's like, you come with me. I will get you

02:11:05.200 in that car. The legendary car of this rock and roll superstar. And he's like, you're

02:11:09.200 kidding me. And the guy cried. It's like his dream came true. And he was like, I can't

02:11:13.860 believe everything they told me about this is just a lie. Daryl, you're you've, you've

02:11:16.640 made my dreams come true. I can't believe it. He de-radicalized all these people. So

02:11:20.400 invite him to speak. We say, come to our event headline speak. He got a standing

02:11:24.520 ovation. Everybody was so inspired by the guy. And all the story was, was let's talk

02:11:28.840 to each other. He told these great stories about how he shut up the Klan meetings and

02:11:33.060 people thought he was crazy. They're going to kill you. And it's like, no, they're not.

02:11:36.220 They just said nasty things. They were insulting, but they talked to him. So outside of our event.

02:11:42.460 So first, what happens is Antifa threatened to burn down the theater where the event was

02:11:45.340 taking place. The event was called fighting ending violence, authoritarianism, and racism.

02:11:50.720 And it was a very libertarian, uh, uh, event. We had progressives there. And so they threatened

02:11:56.500 to burn the theater down. They didn't want it to happen. That's a cult. The theater owner

02:12:00.180 two weeks out said they're threatening to burn the theater down. I can't do this. Let's go

02:12:03.260 somewhere else. So we lost our venue of a thousand seats. And the best we could do is

02:12:06.900 go to a casino that 500 seats. We ended up having to refund tickets. We lost a lot of money

02:12:10.660 from it, but the event happened anyway. The venue that was across the street from the theater

02:12:15.140 that was going to host the after party for those who bought VIP tickets refused to back

02:12:19.240 down. They were moderate liberal types. They started getting inundated with phone calls

02:12:24.100 from people saying you're racists, you're fascists. And it was really awesome because

02:12:28.720 I was there and we were like paying a deposit and someone called and the woman who owned

02:12:33.820 it, she was like, look at this San Francisco phone number. And so she answers it and she's

02:12:38.180 like, hi, what can I do for you? And the guy was like, I'm wondering why it is you're

02:12:41.360 hosting a bunch of fascists and I'm upset. And I think that, you know, if you do this,

02:12:46.180 that I will never be a customer at your establishment. And she's like, where do you

02:12:49.880 live? And he was like, well, California. And she was like, you've never been to my

02:12:54.960 establishment. You never will be. So why are you calling me? And that was fascinating to

02:12:59.140 see some guy on the other side of the country who had no idea what was going on, saw on the

02:13:04.340 internet and decided he would join the cult. Here's what ends up happening. We have the

02:13:08.760 event. It's fantastic. Everybody's hanging out. We got this thousand dollar bottle of scotch

02:13:12.840 and everybody took a little bit and across the street were far leftists, Antifa, Black

02:13:17.840 Lives Matter. And so Daryl Davis, he's like, I'm gonna go talk to him. And we were like,

02:13:22.860 Daryl, look, be careful. You know? And he's like, nah, come on. He's like, I know what I'm

02:13:27.620 doing. What do you think happened when he went across the street? They probably attacked

02:13:31.660 him. They screamed at him. They called him a Nazi and a fascist. And every time he tried

02:13:35.260 to speak, they would start chanting. So he couldn't, he came back and it was like, what the

02:13:39.580 just happened. He ended up writing this viral post on Facebook about how never in his life

02:13:44.500 has he experienced anything like that, that his whole mission has been de-radicalization,

02:13:49.400 speaking with each other, community, communication, that he's been able to go to the most vile of

02:13:54.320 white supremacists and talk to them even when they hate him and never agree with him. Some

02:13:58.980 of them agreed and de-radical and got de-radicalized and handed their ropes to him. Others told him

02:14:03.180 he was wrong and they would never agree with him, but they would debate and they would argue

02:14:05.840 with each other. But when he tried approaching anti-fund far leftists, they screamed at him

02:14:10.380 and refused to even speak in any way. That's what we're dealing with.

02:14:14.740 So you, if you, if you want to be able to have a conversation with him, you have to break

02:14:19.200 their large group, which you, you, you mentioned people from all across the country join this

02:14:24.000 group and it makes it look like they have more power than they do.

02:14:27.800 Well, in this physical instance, the people across the street were just from, I think,

02:14:31.780 New Brunswick, New Jersey or whatever, or Brunswick or whatever the city is. And it

02:14:35.720 was like 17 people. I'm not saying that there's not a group dynamic there. I'm saying it wasn't

02:14:40.420 like people from all over the country descended on New Jersey. No, it was quite literally just

02:14:44.800 like a small handful of BLM people from just North of where the venue was.

02:14:48.520 And then, but again, and looking at it from the other perspective, it's 17 people and now

02:14:53.100 you're. And one guy, one black man walks up saying, how do you do?

02:14:56.960 Yeah. How many people were at these, uh, what was it? The KKK meetings or what was the group?

02:15:02.360 I would imagine. I would imagine the Klan meetings.

02:15:04.320 I'd imagine dozens. That was, that's what I mean. There was probably the same dynamic there.

02:15:07.260 At least that was Daryl's point. He's like, he could, he was shocked. He couldn't talk to these

02:15:10.980 people. And he was like, he's a black man walking up by himself to a group of some black, some white

02:15:17.720 asking them what's going on. And they screamed at him instead.

02:15:20.060 So don't talk to them. Go talk to the other people that are in their homes, raising their

02:15:24.940 families who nobody ever talks to. Right.

02:15:26.960 Bring them out on the street and outnumber the 17 people that are radicalized. That's how you

02:15:31.580 change the system. And they're taking care of their kids. They're not going to come

02:15:33.800 on the street. Like we were talking about, they're busy getting involved in the political

02:15:36.560 process, but they're also brainwashed. Right. So it's fascinating to look at the modern state

02:15:43.320 of politics and it's almost impossible to get through to how, how, how radicalized so

02:15:48.600 many people are. Of course they will claim we're the radicalized one. And I'm like, we

02:15:52.220 have disparate political opinions. We argue with each other all the time. Y'all are the

02:15:55.100 cult. And I got no problem saying that look when we have some, we had someone come on

02:15:59.860 the show and I'm like, we're talking. And I go, you know, when Joe Biden said, you're

02:16:04.100 not getting a billion dollars unless you find the prosecutor. I mean, a lot of people see

02:16:06.840 that as a quid pro quo. He goes, that never happened. And I was like, what? And I pulled

02:16:10.400 up the video and I played it for him. He had never seen the video. So it's good. Those

02:16:13.840 conversations have been, but it certainly didn't de-radicalize him. This guy's got a

02:16:16.160 monetary incentive to keep going down the path he's going. There are people who make videos

02:16:20.440 every day, intentionally misrepresenting the arguments we make on our shows for the purpose

02:16:25.940 of generating money while claiming it's that what we're doing. And then the problem is every

02:16:31.760 time, you know, our faction engages in conversation, we try to respect the position of our opponent

02:16:37.520 while they lie about our position for political and financial gain while claiming we're the

02:16:42.480 ones doing it. So if we, if we're playing this game where we are opening up to conversation

02:16:47.940 and desperately trying to convince people and they use that against us to hurt us, I'm not

02:16:54.180 advocating for anything else. I'm just saying, you know, you'll lose. I don't, I don't have an

02:16:57.980 answer for you. I'm just saying, that's why with the, with the, with the hyper-polarization,

02:17:02.620 that's why I'm kind of like, I don't, I don't, I don't see a path forward. Adam Schiff lied on TV

02:17:08.380 about having evidence that Donald Trump colluded with Russia. Just outright lied. Adam Schiff

02:17:13.300 published the private phone records of an American journalist for political gain.

02:17:18.820 And, and he wins landslide victories in his district. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter

02:17:22.560 what, what he does. Joe Biden, his DOJ just arrested a whistleblower, accusing the Biden

02:17:28.820 family of corruption and wrongdoing. And the, and the, and CNN runs, the claims are now discredited

02:17:34.700 with no conviction, with no trial. The Biden DOJ said, what did he accuse us of? Bribery and

02:17:39.760 corruption? Arrest him. CNN goes, well, that proves it. He was lying the whole time. Like, uh, or Biden is

02:17:45.140 arresting those who are trying to blow the whistle and bring up evidence against them.

02:17:48.280 Yeah. And what we were talking about before with purity, I think that this is where some of the

02:17:51.620 purity comes in because within the left-wing, uh, cult, as you call it, and I guess I agree,

02:17:58.420 you know, there is a purity test. If you disagree with them on any one point at all, you're out.

02:18:04.340 Like you have to toe the line on every single issue from abortion to zebras.

02:18:09.700 Even when the issue changes.

02:18:10.600 Yeah. Even with any, if you don't, you're out. You could agree with them on 99% of the

02:18:13.880 issues and be out there screaming and yelling at everybody in Antifa. You agree on one issue.

02:18:17.480 You're out. I'll tell you this is why I look, you know, I'm never going to walk up to somebody

02:18:21.800 and tell them they're a cultist unless they are extreme. The average default liberal I'll talk to,

02:18:28.000 I will approach them as best I can on their grounds. But two weeks ago, we were hanging out

02:18:32.420 at MGM national Harbor playing poker. And I'm hanging out with people of different political

02:18:37.160 backgrounds. A handful of which know me. A couple of them were libertarian Mises caucus guys. So they

02:18:41.760 were probably closer to the being fans camp. No, they don't agree with me, but they like listening to the

02:18:45.880 show. They think the show is productive. There was one guy who totally disagreed, not a big fan of

02:18:51.320 the show, but was familiar and was polite. And there's another guy who had what I would describe

02:18:54.880 as Trump derangement syndrome. There's no communication with this guy. He's not politically

02:18:59.620 active. He's not some guy marching in the streets. But if you went to his door and knocked,

02:19:03.800 he'd scream in your face. This guy was muttering to himself like a psychopath when he found out that

02:19:09.920 I was going to vote for Donald Trump. Someone at the table says, have you figured out who you're

02:19:13.420 voting for yet? And I was like, oh, Trump, no question. His brain snapped in an instant.

02:19:18.080 And he started just sputtering and muttering. I can't believe these people are so stupid.

02:19:21.300 We can't believe these stupid people. You'd be so dumb. You can't even argue with them because

02:19:24.400 they're so morons. And I'm like, my guy, what is wrong with you? And he just kept muttering and

02:19:31.320 sputtering. He said, name one thing. Name one thing Donald Trump did that you liked. And I went

02:19:34.800 Abraham Accords. And he was like, you can't even name one thing. Can you believe these people?

02:19:38.300 They're so insane. They can't even think of one thing. And I'm like,

02:19:40.540 this 55, 58 year old man, you will never, never convince him to break from that cult.

02:19:48.620 And that's the kind of mentality you have. There are two big distinctions that I would see.

02:19:54.520 Somebody who behaves that way, that's a cult. His brain is locked in this position. He won't

02:20:00.620 listen to what you have to say. He doesn't know what you're saying. He doesn't care what you're

02:20:03.420 saying. The other is, I was at a Trump rally. This is probably 2016 in, where was this?

02:20:11.540 Oh, it was in California somewhere, um, just East of Los Angeles. I think it was. And there

02:20:18.800 were Trump supporters and there were anti-Trump leftists. I walk up to the Trump supporters and

02:20:23.820 they got American flags. And I say, anybody want to tell me what's going on? But, uh, I'll talk,

02:20:27.540 I'll talk. Uh, so we're here. We're supporting Trump. We have our flags. Here's what we want.

02:20:30.800 I'm like, what do you, what do you like about Trump? Like, well, you know, insert a bunch of issues.

02:20:34.320 I'm a union guy, man. He's the only guy who's talking about bringing the factories back.

02:20:37.520 Another person says, I can't stand the political correctness. I like that. He's brash. And then

02:20:41.860 he says these things. Okay. I get a varying opinions. I walk across the street. They're

02:20:46.520 the far leftists. And I go, I was like, how's it going? Anybody want to talk? And Mike check,

02:20:50.860 Mike check, Mike check. What do not do not talk to talk to anyone, anyone about politics. And I was

02:21:02.260 like, okay, did anybody want to tell me why they're here? Mike check, Mike check. That's what

02:21:08.060 they do since occupy wall street. This is what they do. Anybody outside the group who tries to talk,

02:21:14.280 they will start doing this thing called Mike check over and over again so that no one can say a word.

02:21:18.380 And this is a group of like, I don't know, nine people. There's one organizer commanding the group.

02:21:24.560 And by doing something as simple as Mike check, the premise of which is I'm just trying to amplify

02:21:29.800 my voice. In reality, it shuts down anybody who even asks a question. Why none of these people

02:21:34.680 could answer the question. I'm in Berkeley and I'm filming police arresting somebody, something's going

02:21:39.660 on. And a woman starts muttering to herself about the far right or whatever. And I'm holding a camera up

02:21:45.520 on a gimbal and she starts talking. And then I turned to her holding the camera and I say, oh,

02:21:51.060 tell me more. She talks more. I say, well, what do you think about this? She answers. So what do you

02:21:55.200 think about that? She answers. I said, a woman was just attacked. She was standing in the crowd

02:22:00.840 and a far left protester knocked her over because they thought she was a Trump supporter. And she's

02:22:05.840 like, well, I mean, she shouldn't be here with Trump supporters. And I said, you think that it was

02:22:12.440 okay. She was attacked because of the way she looked. And she goes, yeah, if she looked like

02:22:16.120 she was a Trump supporter. And I was like, what if a woman was raped because of the way she was

02:22:19.420 dressed and the way she looked? And she went, no. And I was like, okay. And I was like, but if it's

02:22:26.060 political, it's okay. And she's like, yeah. And I was like, okay. All right. Well, thank you.

02:22:29.560 But she did think about it. She, she leaves 30 seconds later. She walks back, goes, delete that,

02:22:33.860 delete that footage. And I was like, no. And she's like, but you, you don't have permission to

02:22:37.380 record me. And I was like, you walked up to me talking while I was filming. She's like,

02:22:42.200 but you need to delete that. And I was like, I'm not going to. She realized, oh, if people find out

02:22:47.700 I gave opinions, I'm going to be in trouble. So among these people, it's very much, I better say

02:22:52.940 nothing because you'll get canceled. You get fired from your job. You'll get coerced. It's better to

02:22:57.540 fall in line and say, yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Whatever. On the right, Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson

02:23:02.700 are fighting right now. And Ben's like, Tucker, you've misrepresented me. And Tucker's like, well,

02:23:06.980 you want war. And Ben's like, I am not an advocate for this is the right. They don't even agree with each

02:23:11.700 other. But anyway, I think that that about gets to the point. And we've gone a little bit over. So

02:23:15.640 maybe we'll just wind down if you guys want to give any final thoughts. Otherwise, let's keep

02:23:18.580 ranting. Yeah, I don't, I, you know, we got that campaign in California. I don't know that we're

02:23:24.380 going to be able to divide the state into one or two parts or keep it together or what's going to

02:23:29.780 happen. I just think something needs to happen. I think that the, as we've been talking about,

02:23:34.880 we have a country and a society that has a two diverging sets of values that are no longer

02:23:40.860 compatible. That's why we call for this national divorce. And we say it's due to irreconcilable

02:23:46.100 differences. And I don't think that we can reconcile them as you're saying, for example,

02:23:50.340 by coming to the table. I think we've gone beyond that. I think that it would be better to allow for

02:23:56.860 the lines to be redrawn. And maybe we can even stay together as a single country, but just redraw the

02:24:01.100 lines. If we had states that were with new borders and that those states, we could return to a form of

02:24:06.960 federalism. I think like you're talking about decentralization, and then we can get out of

02:24:10.780 each other's hairs where the Republicans aren't imposing Republican values on Democrats and vice

02:24:15.960 versa. We might be able to restore some peace and tranquility in this country without actually

02:24:20.860 having any state secede from the union. If we just redraw those lines. And one thing I like to point

02:24:25.740 out is, for example, I guess I'll become unpopular in the, in the Northeast. Why do we have to have

02:24:31.940 seven or eight small, tiny little states up there? When California is a huge state, geographically

02:24:37.680 speaking, uh, they have a combination of about 14 senators up there for this small piece of

02:24:43.840 territory. I know that the Senate was specifically designed to represent states, but really does

02:24:48.420 Delaware need to exist as its own state anymore? Uh, Rhode Island, for example, do they need to exist

02:24:53.560 as states? Why can't we combine and condense them into an area called new England or something? I mean,

02:24:57.840 Delaware isn't in new England, but the idea is why not redraw the lines in such a way where it makes

02:25:03.120 sense economically, where we can keep, uh, economic areas together and connected. So we're not, uh,

02:25:10.120 dividing them. And one thing I would point to is when I was living down in Uruguay, I found that

02:25:14.800 between Uruguay and Brazil, there are a couple of cities that are straddling the border and

02:25:21.860 the, the border between the two countries literally goes through the city and the residents of the

02:25:29.200 city on both sides of that border are free to pass it and live their lives as if there's no border

02:25:33.900 there. It's really interesting. And you're, you're in one country and you cross street in the next

02:25:38.520 country. So a lot of people say, for example, national divorce, how are you going to divide the

02:25:42.160 country when you're going to draw the line between red and blue and you're going to be breaking up

02:25:46.100 communities? And I don't think that needs to be the case because what they have in Uruguay and Brazil

02:25:50.620 is an example. I think there's elsewhere as, as well, are these places called, uh, peace cities.

02:25:55.960 And what happens is if you're in the, if you're on the Brazilian side of the city and you cross into

02:26:00.140 the Uruguayan side, you're good to go. But if you want to pass in further into Uruguay, then you're

02:26:04.620 going to pass this border checkpoint. But the people in that city are living their lives without any kind

02:26:09.900 of borders, no checkpoints, no walls, no, no barbed wire or anything like that. So I think there's a way

02:26:14.420 to do it where if we were to pursue a national divorce in such a way where we're drawing lines

02:26:19.540 between ideological areas to not disconnect economic zones. I know Marcus Reese Evans, who helped me

02:26:26.460 create this campaign, uh, a lot of effort was put into demonstrating that there are economic zones

02:26:33.980 in California that are interconnected. And so why would we want to break them up? We wouldn't want

02:26:37.500 to break them up. We can keep them together. If we draw the lines, make sense economically,

02:26:42.600 make sense culturally, make sense, uh, ideologically, but not breaking up the communities.

02:26:49.520 So, um, obviously I'm, I'm a unionist. I believe that we should hold together, but I'm a, I'm a,

02:26:54.860 I'm a unionist and a small group guy. I think that we should decentralize the power. And if you're out

02:27:01.060 there and you feel frustrated and you feel scared and you feel like you're part of the powerless and

02:27:06.020 you feel unrepresented, the answer to that is to become active, right? Families don't have the ability

02:27:12.000 to do that, but you can sacrifice a little bit. Your kid doesn't have to play baseball every single

02:27:16.220 season. Okay. Take a season off and invest in your primary congressional races. There are good people

02:27:22.460 running all across the country that you don't ever hear about because they don't have the money to

02:27:27.360 reach you. Go to them. In my district where the primary was run, there was six, almost 16,

02:27:33.300 only 16,000 people that decided the, who actually ran for Congress. That's a small fraction of people

02:27:39.060 making the decisions for the rest of us. If you want to be represented, if you want to have some

02:27:43.880 power, you have to get out in your community. You have to go find the people running for office,

02:27:47.920 and then you need to support them, support them with your volunteerships, support them with your

02:27:52.400 donations so they can have a voice and speak for you in your Congress. And then when they get there,

02:27:57.640 tell them to uncap the house.

02:27:59.620 Right on. Gentlemen, thanks for hanging out. It's been a blast.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - February 16, 2024

The Culture War #51 The California Secessionist Movement & National Divorce In 2024

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