The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #53 The Fall Of Rome, The Roman Empire And The Fall Of The USA

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00:00:30.000 So we had this story the other day that Vladimir Putin was warning NATO that they've got nukes

00:00:39.460 and they will use them against us. France's president, Macron, was saying that we won't

00:00:45.700 let Russia win. NATO won't. And that means if we have to, NATO will deploy troops into Ukraine,

00:00:51.240 to which Vladimir Putin responds, that's World War III. And that would be a declaration of war

00:00:56.500 against them. And then, of course, it goes on to say, we've got nukes. What are they thinking?

00:01:00.160 So certainly you have this threat of international conflict, a conflict at the same time, you have

00:01:05.020 this threat of internal conflict. You've got the weaponization of the political machine against

00:01:10.580 one of the, the front runner for the presidential race. And you actually had Rachel Maddow and Chris

00:01:16.700 Hayes mentioned the other day, because the Supreme Court was going to take up the case as to whether or

00:01:20.080 not the president is immune from criminal prosecution pertaining to their official duties,

00:01:25.200 that this is a corrupt Supreme Court system, and that Donald Trump might actually win the presidency

00:01:31.640 and then not face trial for his crimes, which is a weird admission that the only way to stop

00:01:37.660 Donald Trump from winning the presidency is to try and criminally charge him.

00:01:41.260 So we're certainly facing something in this country. There's a lot of people that,

00:01:46.320 that want to believe or that do believe nothing, nothing happens. I mean, this is just political

00:01:50.760 turmoil. It happens. I'm not one of those people. I, I, the criminal prosecution of a political rival

00:01:56.020 is unprecedented in this country. The criminal charges, the, the fraudulent outlandish civil

00:02:02.280 cases against Donald Trump are insane. And so seeing all of this, it becomes fairly obvious

00:02:07.440 that, uh, Donald Trump is Caesar. Am I wrong? I'm kidding by the way, but this is the, this is the

00:02:12.640 question that many people are asking now when this meme emerges about the Roman empire. And we hear

00:02:19.680 that, you know, women, as this woman asks her boyfriend, you know, how often do you think about the

00:02:24.020 Roman empire? And he's like all the time. And then all of these women start laughing, confused. Like 0.53

00:02:28.320 what, why are men thinking about the Roman empire? Which is a really interesting take on the female

00:02:32.660 perspective that we see now. And, uh, there's some videos that are really funny. I find, and

00:02:37.800 they're probably just out of context, but there's these videos where a guy will walk up to a woman

00:02:41.320 and say, uh, or a guy walks up to a bunch of guys says, do men need women? And they're all like,

00:02:45.720 yes, of course. And then the guy walks up to a bunch of women and they're like, do women need men?

00:02:49.880 And they'll say, no, absolutely not. And I'm not saying all women think that way or all men

00:02:53.880 think that way. These are probably out of context videos, but the question then that arises is what

00:02:58.120 is the perspective? What is the forefront of the, what is the focus of the male versus the female

00:03:02.340 perspective? And perhaps the reason so many men think about the Roman empire is not because Rome

00:03:06.940 is special in the hearts and minds of young men and, uh, and boys in this country, but because the

00:03:11.820 United States is facing a collapse. So this is what we're going to talk about. We've got a couple of

00:03:15.680 guys, uh, joining us. Uh, I don't know whoever wants to introduce themselves first by all means.

00:03:19.080 I'm Jeremy Slate. I am the CEO of a company called Commander Brand. We're a new media PR firm

00:03:24.260 that a podcast since about 2015. And when 2020 happened, I started talking about things that

00:03:29.540 matter a lot more. And, um, I guess the reason I'm here is because my master's is an early Roman

00:03:35.320 empire propaganda. I studied, I studied why people worship the Roman emperor and how it actually

00:03:39.600 happened. So, so Trump is Caesar. No, you're 200 years too early. 20 years too early.

00:03:45.060 Crisis in the third century is where we are right now. Wow. Oh man, we got too much to talk about.

00:03:50.780 Yeah. I'm Patrick Casey. Um, I am a writer. I write for Chronicles magazine. I've written for

00:03:55.740 American greatness. I am T I am 1776 right at Patrick Casey.com. Uh, had a YouTube channel

00:04:02.160 once upon a time. Uh, I've got a podcast called restoring order and, uh, that's it. I'm on Twitter

00:04:07.420 at, at restore order USA. Right on. And then just to make sure we can offend a certain amount of people.

00:04:11.780 We have Ian. Hi everyone. Let me make sure I don't get these. Yeah. I talked some crap about

00:04:15.780 Mormonism last night and I was not correct about it at all. It was stuff from the Talmud. I was 0.98

00:04:20.640 misquoted when I was told about it. So, but I apologize. That's a thing of when you hear something

00:04:24.800 from a friend or when you read something, don't just go online and like repeat it right away

00:04:28.340 without investigating. That's, but, but I asked Ian to come hang out too, because Ian actually makes

00:04:32.660 the most Roman empire references. Pax Romana, baby. Yeah. I was just reading about that. Let's go deep.

00:04:37.880 And, uh, we got Kellen pressing the buttons today. Yeah, that's right. I'm just, uh, lurking in the corner.

00:04:41.780 I'm really excited to, you know, have this history lesson. So let's get started.

00:04:45.560 All right. So I was, you know, I was ranting about today's ills, but your crisis of the third

00:04:50.020 century, you said? Yeah. So we're in the 200s and there's this really strange situation in Rome

00:04:56.280 where you have, um, Marcus Aurelius who gets a lot of credit for being this, uh, emperor that writes a

00:05:02.040 lot, the meditations. I heard he was based. He was based, but he was dumb in the way he operated

00:05:07.400 because he, there's these five emperors called the five good emperors. And they start this system 0.97

00:05:12.020 of basically adopting the most qualified person near them to become the next emperor rather than

00:05:16.540 using their kid. So he says, I'm going to make my 17 year old son emperor. And that 17 year old son

00:05:21.740 is Commodus. So that leads to a really bad rule. He reigns for about 20 years. The Praetorian guard

00:05:27.180 tries to kill him several times and they fail. And eventually a wrestler, uh, smothers him.

00:05:32.420 So then you have this really weird period then where you have what are called the barrack

00:05:37.300 emperors. These are emperors that raise armies and then attack Rome. So they realize that there

00:05:41.760 are, their power came from the military. So they would basically, this is the, the severant emperors

00:05:47.200 in the 200s and they would attack Rome and give them the military more money. And that would be how

00:05:53.220 they would do it. So you have this 200 year period of attack, attack, attack. So you have the money

00:05:57.280 has been very debased. I think by 284, it's about 15,000% inflation. So the money is worth like

00:06:03.420 nothing. You have all these tribes coming from the North. You have, um, in the West, you have 0.96

00:06:09.780 part of the empire has broken off and become the Gallic empire. You have in the East, another 0.79

00:06:13.660 break off empire. So it's this really strange situation. And then you don't have until 284

00:06:18.460 that Diocletian comes in and says, okay, I'm going to reform things. I'm going to get hard currency. 1.00

00:06:23.080 We're going to handle the military. We're going to divide the country up in what's called 0.92

00:06:27.080 the tetrarchy. So rule by four, which is similar to how we have States doing things here in

00:06:31.460 the U S and that gives them another 200 years of stability to actually last. I would say

00:06:35.120 that's where we are now. Really? It's fascinating because people often talk about the fall of

00:06:39.420 the Roman empire and they don't mention the Roman Republic. And I didn't know much about

00:06:44.240 this, right? So people have made references to Trump crossing the Rubicon, whatever that might

00:06:48.880 mean, or Biden having crossed it because he's now criminally prosecuting Trump.

00:06:52.720 And then we get a lot of comments from people saying, well, actually the Republic becomes

00:06:57.600 the empire. Then there's 200 years of empire. And then the empire falls. So who knows?

00:07:03.440 Well, if you look at it, so 753 is when Rome's founded. There's traditionally seven kings of

00:07:07.940 Rome. 509, the last king is killed by a guy named Brutus. And then you had the Republic

00:07:13.240 going from 509 to 31. 31 is when the empire starts. And I think actually that 31 time period

00:07:20.400 is more like 1913, because if you look at 1913 and the progressive era, you have Wilson, you have

00:07:25.560 income tax, you have the federal reserve, and you have the 17th amendment. And that's when America

00:07:29.860 really ceases to become more of that, that Republic type thing. I think if you're looking

00:07:35.840 for your Caesar, your Caesar is more like FDR because he's the guy that establishes this new

00:07:40.000 thing. And then we kind of go through that until now. FDR?

00:07:43.340 FDR? In a way. Yeah. Because he's kind of the big power head in that way. Wow.

00:07:48.120 I think it's important to kind of take a look at Julius Caesar and no, that was all, that was all

00:07:53.440 very good. Very good context. This idea of Julius Caesar being like super based and he was, I mean,

00:07:58.500 he was loved by the people and so forth. But, um, there, when you, when you kind of take a look at

00:08:03.480 him, a friend of mine on Twitter, uh, Peter Nemitz has the take that basically Julius Caesar was a

00:08:07.880 libtard. Um, and hear me out, hear me out. Um, I hope I, I do this take justice, but basically, 1.00

00:08:14.680 okay. So he goes off to Egypt, he gets a foreign wife, he starts dressing in Egyptian clothes. I 0.96

00:08:19.040 seem to recall reading what, well, who, that reminds me of Justin Trudeau, right? Wearing

00:08:23.480 like whatever, like foreign regalia that was that he, uh, that he wore, right. There is this sense,

00:08:28.360 uh, among liberals of just kind of like, you know, denigrating your own thing and exalting like a

00:08:33.640 foreign, a foreign culture. And you know, uh, you know, when you look, he was, he was a populare

00:08:38.600 as well. Right. So that meant that he was, and I'm sure there are two sides to that, but that means

00:08:42.700 that Julius Caesar was on the side of like the rabble essentially. Um, you know, the, the optimates

00:08:48.100 were, were kind of more of like the conservative. Like a populist. Yeah. But like, I don't know if he

00:08:52.580 was a super like right wing populist in that sense. He was low by birth and he had to earn kind of

00:08:57.800 his position. Right. Right. You know, the right left paradigm of today is obviously going to be,

00:09:01.140 he can't exactly put it on the path. He wasn't like a commie or anything.

00:09:05.100 Uh, some, some would say that like from like a near reactionary perspective. Yeah. He was,

00:09:09.340 he was on the side of like the rabble who wanted more grain and that's just kind of like a, 0.94

00:09:13.320 you know, like the Gracchi brothers, more grain entitlement. Exactly. Exactly. So, um,

00:09:19.680 so I would hope that, uh, Trump is not, is not our, is not our Caesar. You would hope.

00:09:24.220 Uh, well, you know, I, I like the idea of Trump as like a strong man, but, um, you know,

00:09:28.200 doing everything that Caesar did and, you know, again, like his Trump starts wearing like foreign

00:09:32.820 clothes or something of the sort and, you know, redistributing wealth, which is what, uh, you know,

00:09:37.580 some of the popularities were into. I don't think that's really what, uh, Trumpian populism,

00:09:42.240 if you want to use that term is, is kind of about.

00:09:44.680 So is it possible, like, I kind of agree with you that the, that the Republic fell in 1913 when they,

00:09:50.440 when they cooed in this, this federal reserve, but like, is it possible that the emperor now is just

00:09:55.160 some foreign dignity, some foreign corporate owner or King, the King of England or something

00:10:00.740 like that? I don't know if I would go that far because I, I, I don't know enough about that

00:10:04.900 power structure. I think it's more of like intelligence agencies running, you know, the,

00:10:08.760 the presidency in this case. Cause if you look at it at a certain point, the Praetorian guard

00:10:12.480 became who decided who got to be president and they got the, or who got to be emperor.

00:10:16.500 So that's like the deep state. Right. So if you, so if you look at that, um, in,

00:10:20.080 in kind of as Rome fell, as you, you go past the two, the two hundreds and you go into the three

00:10:24.240 hundreds, the emperor just became basically a figurehead. And you had these different

00:10:29.960 barbarian generals like Stilicho and these people that were behind them, just basically giving them 0.77

00:10:34.560 power. And the emperor would just, they'd come in and make them say something that you bring them

00:10:37.220 out. Very similar to Joe Biden, I guess you could say in some ways. Let's, let's start from the

00:10:41.520 beginning, I guess for, uh, everybody likes to just point to these hotspots of Roman history,

00:10:47.980 ignoring the Republic, ignoring like you're, you're mentioning like things I don't even know

00:10:51.760 about, but they often say the most common of course is crossing the Rubicon and the question

00:10:56.060 about, are we reaching this point, a tipping point in the history of the United States where this

00:11:00.400 country either ceases to be or becomes an authority authoritarian dictatorship or whatever.

00:11:05.920 But let's like, uh, can you describe to me what Rome was like in, in, in, like during the

00:11:10.180 Republic at its best? What is, is there, is there, is there a, uh, is, does it compare in any way

00:11:16.140 the Roman Republic in good times to the United States? Um, well, there was essentially two 0.97

00:11:22.600 consuls. So these are the two guys that were in charge of the military and in charge of like

00:11:25.620 running the city. So you'd never had like one person that was fully in charge and you had,

00:11:29.680 um, with this thing called the, the Corsus Sonorum. So that was basically the, the offices

00:11:33.100 you could go up through and you could only be, uh, you had to be a certain age to be each one.

00:11:37.060 So you'd go through these different ones and, and get power. So it, and Rome didn't have a

00:11:41.360 written constitution. It was just generally agreed upon that this is the way we've done things

00:11:45.320 for so long. So it was very prosperous, but you also had a lot of wars during this time period too.

00:11:49.540 You had, um, wars against Carthage, you had different civil wars and things like that too.

00:11:53.780 So there wasn't exactly, there was never really a period except under Augustus and we weren't

00:11:59.360 really fighting anyone. So it was, I don't know if you want to add anything to that, but during that

00:12:03.900 time period, you know, it just, it was, there wasn't really one person holding power. It was more

00:12:09.580 held power by the people, but they were all rich people too. So it was very classist in that way.

00:12:14.120 You couldn't, in order to, in order to actually even, even, uh, hold office, you needed to have

00:12:19.880 property. So if you didn't have a certain amount of property, you could never hold office.

00:12:23.180 That's interesting. And then, and then what, what precipitates the transformation from a

00:12:27.800 Republican to an empire? You have this, um, so you have the Roman revolution, which is

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00:14:02.620 1-33-31. And it starts with these two brothers, the Gracchi brothers, that basically are trying

00:14:08.660 to get more grain for the people because the people are starving. They don't have a lot.

00:14:12.520 They get killed in the Senate building. They basically get killed by an uprising. So then

00:14:16.980 you have this time period where generals start raising an army and attacking Rome. And there's

00:14:22.060 this thing around Rome called the palmarium. So the palmarium is like this sacred area around Rome

00:14:26.900 and all armies were supposed to disband and drop their weapons when they basically got past this

00:14:31.260 point. So to go past the palmarium with weapons was like a really big deal. So you have the first

00:14:37.380 guy that does it is Gaius Marius. How do you spell that? P-O-M-E-R-I-U-M. I feel like it's a spelling

00:14:44.720 bee. So you have Gaius Marius raises an army, attacks Rome, says I'm in charge. Then you have

00:14:50.960 Lucas Cornelius Sulla, raises an army, attacks Rome, says I'm in charge. And then you eventually

00:14:54.820 have Caesar in 43 that crosses the Rubicon, raises an army, attacks Rome. So that hundred years is

00:15:00.180 kind of very, very tumultuous. And the Roman people during this time period, you have to 1.00

00:15:05.040 understand like they've been through civil war for a hundred years. How are you going to feel?

00:15:07.940 They're not very happy. So then Augustus comes in, you have Caesar has just died. And Caesar,

00:15:14.280 you could adopt somebody during that time period. That means like give them your name and your titles

00:15:17.600 and your money and everything. So he adopts this guy named Gaius Octavius, who becomes Augustus

00:15:22.280 Caesar. But you also have Mark Antony, who was Caesar's top general. So Mark Antony says, well,

00:15:27.500 if Caesar dies, I'm in charge. But Augustus says, well, in his will, my father says, I'm in charge.

00:15:32.700 So these two guys fight each other. The final battle is this battle of Actium in 31. So in 31 is kind of

00:15:38.580 the end of the Republic and the start of the empire. But Augustus doesn't say like, hey, I'm in charge.

00:15:42.800 He actually says, I'm not going to be dictator anymore. There was this office in Rome called

00:15:47.120 dictator. For six months, you will hold ultimate power and then you'd put it down. Caesar named

00:15:51.240 himself dictator for life, which really upset them because Romans didn't like monarchy because of

00:15:55.460 the seven traditional kings. So he says, I'm going to lay down this office of dictator. And people

00:15:59.600 like, no, no, no, no, no, please don't go away. We need you to be in charge. And that's actually how

00:16:03.540 Augustus becomes the first emperor. But he doesn't like the idea of being an emperor or king. So he comes up

00:16:08.500 with this idea called princeps, which means basically first citizen or one above all.

00:16:13.180 And that's where Rome isn't called an empire. It's called a principate.

00:16:17.540 So that's semantics. Yes. Yeah, definitely.

00:16:20.620 I mean, what you're describing doesn't sound a lot like what's going on right now at all.

00:16:24.660 Is it just buzzwords then? People are just like, oh, look, I heard a thing in the internet. And that

00:16:28.600 means the United States is like Rome. Well, I think just to chime in real quick, I think that there's a

00:16:33.260 saying that history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme. And what that means is it's not going to follow

00:16:37.760 like the same exact path as any foreign civilization, but you do see similarities.

00:16:42.840 And that's just because the laws that govern the universe are the same now as they were back then,

00:16:47.380 you know, people want grain, right? People want grain. That's absolutely correct. And

00:16:50.900 yeah, exactly. And, you know, human nature as well hasn't changed that much. I mean, we have like

00:16:57.120 technology, we have like new needs and wants and whatever, based on like, you know, consumerism or

00:17:01.700 something, but like a lot of, you know, human vanity, greed, ambition, all of these things are

00:17:05.720 are essentially going to exist as long as humans do.

00:17:09.040 Yeah. But it is, it is very different. I mean, a lot of what we see in history when it comes to

00:17:14.220 political upheaval has to do with literally grain. People are starving, right? Yes. Yeah. Americans

00:17:18.820 are not starving right now, but they're very angry for some reason. And so, you know, history doesn't

00:17:25.060 repeat, it does rhyme, but I wonder how, I mean, they didn't, they didn't have any kind of mass

00:17:31.940 media back then. I mean, well, how did word travel? Yes and no. Word of mouth? Yes and no,

00:17:36.540 because a big way propaganda traveled is by coins and the Roman emperors and government officials

00:17:43.460 would put their face on coins. They put words on coins. So that's actually a lot of how we're able

00:17:47.680 to fill in parts of history is what was on the coinage. And then you also see as well by the statues

00:17:52.200 they made. So, so wait, wait, wait, I mean, that's brilliant, but like they, they, they made memes

00:17:57.300 into their coins. Yes. Like basically that's how they could keep an idea in mass usage because

00:18:03.000 everyone knows the coin, knows what it says and knows it every day. That's like, what do they put

00:18:07.320 on it? They would put different, like, you know, Latin phrases that showed like the person's power

00:18:11.440 or like an emperor that wasn't very solid would put his face on one side and then maybe like

00:18:16.560 Augustus or Romulus on the other side because like, oh, if this guy's as good as those guys,

00:18:20.380 you must be great. That's like, that's like women on Tinder where they have like the more 0.97

00:18:23.620 attractive friend in the main, uh, in the main picture. The final Roman emperor's name was Romulus

00:18:30.680 Augustulus, which means essentially little Romulus Augustus, because he was like, we've got nothing

00:18:36.160 left. I guess I could go with the two founders. That works for me. Yeah. It's just stolen valor

00:18:40.160 at that point. Yeah, definitely. Well, to your question, Tim is, is okay. We've noticed, you've

00:18:44.860 noticed that there are obviously many ways in which our situation now is dissimilar from ancient

00:18:49.620 Rome, but I think generally just finding yourself in a representative form of government where people

00:18:54.660 on both sides of the aisle are kind of starting to question if like the system is actually works as

00:18:59.540 it's said to work. Um, but people on both sides, you look at the most recent election cycles, right?

00:19:04.900 You had obviously 2020 that was, you know, famously, infamously contested by, uh, Trump and,

00:19:10.560 and MAGA overall. Well, you go back to 2016. Well, they did this at the other side, did the

00:19:15.000 same thing just in a different way. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, exactly. It was weaponized through,

00:19:18.900 you know, the actual government. Trump had lawyers file lawsuits to, uh, you know, lawfully

00:19:24.460 challenge the results. But, um, I think, you know, just finding yourself in a representative

00:19:28.500 government and, you know, you're kind of wondering like how representative it actually is.

00:19:32.800 And there's just kind of this feeling that, you know, maybe this isn't going to last. And of

00:19:36.960 course, no government lasts forever. And we've seen throughout history, representative

00:19:40.100 governments turn into more authoritarian or totalitarian even, uh, forms of regimes. And

00:19:45.740 I think, I think many people are just kind of finding themselves in a situation where you're

00:19:49.360 like, you know, could we have a better system than this? What would it look like? Or, you

00:19:52.720 know, are we going to wake up and find a worse system than this? Like full blown left-wing

00:19:56.800 totalitarianism? Well, I don't know about left, but the idea that we wake up in a worse system

00:20:01.520 is probably 100%. It's probably happening every day very slowly. It is because if, you know,

00:20:06.280 when you look at what's going on now, uh, this morning, Steve Baker, a journalist who was clearly

00:20:10.880 is right. Yeah. Yeah. He's a, he's, he's a report from the blaze. He was at January 6th. He wasn't

00:20:14.360 working for the blaze at the time, but he's very clearly a journalist. He's friends with a bunch

00:20:17.680 of journalists. We know we've had him on the show and he's just like a mild-mannered guy who's

00:20:21.380 clearly filming and they ordered him to surrender. And so, I mean that, that right there is the,

00:20:27.440 the, is Biden's department of justice targeting an opposition journalist because he was doing

00:20:32.800 research into January 6th, providing footage and arguing that some of these officers who testified

00:20:37.340 had perjured themselves. All of a sudden the FBI is like, you're being arrested in charge on federal

00:20:41.560 charges. And so I had to say to everybody, this isn't, people take things as too negatively,

00:20:49.060 bad things are going to happen. It doesn't mean it's going to be the worst thing in the world.

00:20:52.120 It just means bad things are happening. The night is always darkest before the dawn,

00:20:55.280 but I don't see how after everything this country has been through good and bad and the prosperity

00:21:02.200 we've had that we see anything moving forward other than it's going to get worse.

00:21:06.600 What that means in getting worse. I don't know. I mean, does it mean you wake up and there's no

00:21:09.840 electricity? I don't know about that. Maybe at some point, but where we are right now is

00:21:13.920 objectively worse than it was a year ago or two years ago. And so let's imagine that it stays this

00:21:19.700 way. There's no, there's no challenge. And then Biden becomes president. He continues the

00:21:25.700 weaponization of the DOJ intelligence agencies begin rounding up other dissidents. More journalists

00:21:30.860 start getting targeted, which I think is absolutely going to happen. That's objectively worse,

00:21:34.680 but let's argue that Donald Trump wins and he starts to turn things around. There will still

00:21:38.880 be a period by which the establishment uniparty forces or whatever will combat that. And you will

00:21:44.240 have some instability. And then theoretically, it seems like when you look at the probabilities of

00:21:51.480 all the things that could happen, there is the smaller, a smaller probability that Donald Trump gets

00:21:55.740 elected, starts targeting corruption, firing and arresting people, things like that. I don't see

00:22:00.520 that as a strong possibility. I see conflict as more likely to be what we can expect.

00:22:07.020 I think that's, it's an accurate prediction, instability, regardless in, in the best case

00:22:11.520 scenario, in the worst case scenario, there's going to be pushback, right? Even if we kind of get what

00:22:16.120 we want as, as people right of center conservatives. Um, yeah, we live in interesting times for better,

00:22:21.740 for better, for worse. Uh, so I think, I think the comparison of, uh, of Diocletian, we were kind of

00:22:27.640 talking about Diocletian before is... Who's that? He was the emperor in 284 to 301.

00:22:35.160 Continue. I'll let, I'll let, uh, Jeremy take it with the historical background there. But the

00:22:39.660 reason I brought up Diocletian is just as a figure who represents, I think what we would, we should

00:22:44.480 expect is kind of the best case scenario. Someone who's able to make things better, but as to the

00:22:48.320 overall decline, um, you know, I don't know if anyone on the scene right now is able to totally

00:22:52.840 reverse that, but... We're talking about hundreds of years. Right. So were these changes that took

00:22:57.380 place in Rome, they were over long, long periods of time spanning generations? Well, you, you have to

00:23:02.160 look at it. It's 31 to 476 is when it ends in the West. That's a really long time, right? And over

00:23:06.980 that time period, you have your, your ups and your downs. And we have, uh, Commodus, who's the son of

00:23:11.820 Marcus Aurelius dies in, in 192. And we don't really get stability again until 284. So that's almost

00:23:18.180 a hundred years of craziness. So Diocletian becomes emperor in 284. He's one of these

00:23:22.560 barrack emperors, meaning he raises an army, attacks Rome, and he doesn't actually live in

00:23:27.540 Rome because, um, class-wise he wasn't acceptable. So he didn't really like Rome. So he lived in a

00:23:32.360 place in the, in the East called Nicomedia. It's a little bit, um, close to where Constantinople

00:23:36.940 would have been later on. And he does these very famous reforms because you have this problem of

00:23:42.680 the armies getting raised and attacking Rome. So he says, the thing I'm going to do this is I'm

00:23:47.300 going to take, and I'm going to put the armies in different places. So now they can't attack

00:23:50.060 Rome. So he puts stability in that way. The other thing he looks at is he creates this

00:23:54.300 thing called the tetrarchy or rule by four. And if you actually look at it, our constitution

00:23:58.020 already fixes this, right? Because we have a federal government, but then each state is

00:24:01.200 their own state because Rome was too big for one man to rule and defend. And that was actually,

00:24:05.860 um, way earlier when the wall of Hadrian happened because Hadrian says, okay, I can't travel

00:24:10.640 over this empire anymore. Let's build some walls and let's stop, let's stop traveling.

00:24:13.580 So Diocletian creates this rule by four. There's a senior emperor in the East and a senior emperor

00:24:19.220 in the West, and each has a junior emperor. So they're able to now control it more like

00:24:22.520 states rather than like a giant, just federal force. And then he also does something about

00:24:26.940 the currency. He starts minting new coins because when generals knew that their powers

00:24:31.340 came from the army, well, they doubled the size of the army and they went, they 30% higher

00:24:35.420 pay, 60% higher pay. So they needed money to do that. So what did they do? They debased the

00:24:39.120 currency by adding other metals to it. So one of the things he was was standardized

00:24:43.260 money. So if we get back to more of a standardized money, if we get back to more of a state's

00:24:47.980 rights situation, rather than just a federalist system, like we're running, he gave the Roman

00:24:53.060 empire from 284 to 476. So let's, we could have almost 200 years more prosperity, right?

00:24:59.920 If you just get in these right things. Now, the thing he looked at as well, as he said,

00:25:03.680 culturally, we're not getting, we're not getting along well either because you had all these

00:25:07.940 different races and nationalities and things like that. So the thing he does, which probably

00:25:11.940 isn't the right way to approach it, but he starts prosecuting, persecuting Christians because he

00:25:15.880 says, okay, so we're all united against the Christians. Not the best way to approach things, 0.78

00:25:19.300 but he's, he got the idea of, so this is, we don't get along culturally. What year is this?

00:25:23.380 This is 284 to 301. AD? AD, yeah. Obviously. You mentioned that I'm like, because there was BC,

00:25:29.320 it's, it's, it's, sorry. Yeah. There's a time track back and forth there. So it spans BC to AD as well.

00:25:33.820 Yeah. So 31, or 31 BC is when Augustus takes over. He dies in 17 AD. You know what I really hate is

00:25:41.660 when they do, uh, they changed AD. Oh, I hate the BC thing, man. Before common era. I hate that. It's

00:25:47.940 so woke. I know. It's like, oh, come on. Woke history, man. Like, dude, it's the year of our Lord,

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00:26:59.780 if like, it's like 2000 years from now and they're teaching the history of the great American empire

00:27:05.320 and they were like, as the Republic began to fall, the Emperor Trump attacked the District

00:27:12.240 of Columbia, rallying his forces to siege the capital for which they resisted for a few. You know,

00:27:17.920 the thing is like, we're looking at, we always look at history and it's very condensed. I mean,

00:27:22.980 we just jumped hundreds of years. Yeah. And so with Trump and January 6th and everything that's

00:27:26.960 going on, it's only been three years since January 6th. So the context and the mythos or whatever

00:27:33.980 that could be developed, it's like, it's like yesterday for us. Yeah. A thousand years from

00:27:37.400 now, who knows what they're going to say about it? It could be something more dramatic, but they'll

00:27:41.120 skip right over it. Well, it's who writes it too, right? It's important who writes it because 476 for

00:27:45.720 the fall of the Western empires is often debated because at that point in time, as I mentioned,

00:27:50.660 there were barbarian generals just kind of ruling through a fake emperor. And eventually,

00:27:55.340 Odo Wacker, who's the guy that takes over in 476 says, you know what, we're just going to stop

00:27:59.900 this ruse. I'm in charge. I'm the king. I'm going to do this. And then you have Justinian, who is

00:28:04.020 the Eastern Roman empire comes in and invades. And Rome had actually functioned normally just with a 0.97

00:28:09.060 king instead of an emperor. It only falls because Justinian tries to reunite the empire. And then they

00:28:14.880 need a reason to say why it fell. So like, oh, Rome fell 476 barbarians. And it's actually

00:28:18.820 because of Justinian. What was the guy's name you mentioned? That was like more like Trump,

00:28:22.920 such as the D? Diocletian. Diocletian, yeah. Who kind of restored some order after, you know,

00:28:27.060 a period of chaos. But think about how fascinating it says you said that he attacked Rome.

00:28:31.720 That was typically what happened. They'd raise an army. They would come in. They wouldn't like

00:28:35.040 burn the city down. In only like two sentences, you condensed this massive campaign of an assault on

00:28:42.940 on the capital of an, of an empire into, and then he attacked, he raised an army and attacked

00:28:47.280 and then moving on. But that's what I mean. Right. You know, to us right now, the news is just

00:28:52.240 spattered with nothing about January 6th. In a hundred, 200 years, it's going to be a half a

00:28:57.860 sentence. So if Trump was elected and the January 6th thing happened, so Donald Trump then, and it's

00:29:02.240 going to right over it. It might, but with time dilation, with the way that data is being preserved

00:29:07.640 in real time, it might be different than that now. Like we might be at the, like a, a flexing

00:29:13.380 point of history where this is like, what is history? Like, you know, the people watch the

00:29:18.260 Beatles on Ed Sullivan way more than it's not just a blip in like a line. That's true.

00:29:23.220 But yes and no, because the library of Alexandria was burned down twice and it had all the knowledge

00:29:27.840 in the world at that point in time. So I've heard that it wasn't, that it was just the,

00:29:31.780 the section with the scrolls that was burnt. It was burned once under Caesar. And then again,

00:29:37.180 I don't remember the time period, it was actually in one during the late Roman empire when it was

00:29:41.380 burned again. It's funny because, you know, when I was younger and I was reading about all this and

00:29:45.540 learned about the binding, the burning of the library of Alexandria, I was so angry. I'm just

00:29:49.920 like, what secrets did they hold? And the reality is it was probably just real stupid garbage where 1.00

00:29:54.840 they're like, you know, we think the moon is made of cheese, like ancient knowledge. I don't, 1.00

00:30:03.040 I'm sure there may be some things in there where we're like, oh, that's interesting. That's what they

00:30:06.160 thought. And understanding their perspective is important, but I bet a lot of it was just like,

00:30:10.160 wow, they really thought that? That was stupid. That being said, I would much prefer it to have 1.00

00:30:14.740 not been destroyed and we could have access to that knowledge.

00:30:17.380 The data on Atlantis, if they had, because the scribes would talk about Atlantis,

00:30:21.340 but they didn't have much in text. I wonder if that, that stuff was lost. I'd rather talk about

00:30:25.080 the Romans right now. Oh, you were saying when, um, I, I, I.

00:30:30.580 Well, I think something that's important to consider though, Ian, is like,

00:30:32.960 if you look at it, how our media operates today, you know, it's, you look at the party

00:30:37.380 and power decides what's they're basically controlling thought. Right. And I think

00:30:40.900 that's often how our perspective on Rome is our perspective in Rome is only what we've received

00:30:46.020 from those who have written about it. So those that survive, those are the winning powers.

00:30:49.920 So we only know what we know in, in kind of the postscript. And I think that's what people are

00:30:54.520 dealing with now is they only know how to deal with their time now based on the media,

00:30:58.460 what the media is telling them. That's why like podcasts and new media and things like that are so

00:31:01.540 important because we're at least getting a different perspective out there. But in history,

00:31:05.180 people really haven't had this power to have kind of an alternative means of thought.

00:31:09.960 Norm Macdonald had one of the best bits. It was something like, good news, everybody. I was reading

00:31:15.540 history and it turns out the good guys won every time. And it, you know, that's, that's a really good

00:31:19.940 way of writing histories written by the victors. Did the Romans have, I know they had slaves, but like, 0.74

00:31:25.120 okay, was it just like, if you're not a Roman, then you're by default a slave. And, uh,

00:31:29.860 and then what is it, what would that entail exactly?

00:31:32.460 So what would typically happen is when Rome would conquer other countries, they would take their

00:31:36.260 people as slaves, but also like the empire was interesting. The way it was expanded was you

00:31:40.920 would have Rome at the center and everything outside of Rome are called the provinces. They're

00:31:43.940 like territories of Rome. And those people, um, they weren't Roman citizens, but they were Roman

00:31:48.960 subjects. Then what actually happens is in 212, Emperor Caracalla says, okay, everybody in the

00:31:54.820 provinces, that's not a slave and not a woman. You're now a citizen. 0.98

00:31:57.720 So that's 30, 30 million people overnight become citizens.

00:32:02.260 Whoa.

00:32:02.620 Now, why does he do their voting?

00:32:04.520 They could vote once they were citizens. Yes. Now the important thing about that though,

00:32:08.360 is when, and there's, it's debated on why he did this, but it's thought that he wanted

00:32:12.600 a new tax base because there was a big inheritance tax and things like that you could get from

00:32:16.120 people when they became a citizen, because this is in the two hundreds when they, the emperors

00:32:21.620 had realized you were spending money on the army in order to have control. So he's like,

00:32:24.660 I need more money. And, you know, sadly, um, Caracalla, the way he dies is by getting off

00:32:29.600 his horse to take a piss and somebody actually knifes him in the back.

00:32:32.080 Wow. Deserved. Uh, frankly. 0.95

00:32:35.660 So he turned, so what, what was the effect of making 30 million people citizens overnight?

00:32:40.180 There was no value in citizenship because as a citizen, it entitles you to many different

00:32:43.360 things, right? You could, you could now vote was one part of it. The bigger part was the grain

00:32:46.960 dole. So as a Roman citizen, you were entitled to a certain amount of grain in order to eat.

00:32:51.360 So now we're saying, okay, we're going to pay for all these people to eat. Like that's

00:32:55.360 communism. Yeah.

00:32:56.320 Did it screw things up or did it make it better?

00:32:58.920 Well, it's what they would do then is they continue to debase the currencies. They would

00:33:02.020 add other metals to gold and silver and people lost faith in the currency because like, well,

00:33:06.820 and that was one of the big reasons that Diocletian came up with a new silver coin. There's a new

00:33:10.960 gold coin later on under, under, um, Emperor Constantine in, in 310. But one of the big things

00:33:17.800 they took a look at is like getting better currency because people didn't trust it anymore. I think

00:33:21.140 you want to say something.

00:33:22.300 Yeah. I was just going to say, I mean, I could tell by your reactions that you saw a lot of

00:33:26.360 parallels, uh, between kind of what happened, um, there with Caracalla, the 212 edict that gave 30

00:33:31.660 million, uh, foreigners citizenship is crazy. But I mean, we, we just see so much of that today, 1.00

00:33:37.160 right? The idea of, of what it is to be an American, um, has really lost a lot of its sense of

00:33:43.560 meaning. And I think you see not just with Caracalla, but over the course of, of Roman history,

00:33:48.300 a dilution of, of what it means to be, you know, civitas, right? Basically the, uh, and also Roman,

00:33:54.180 Romanitas, I believe is what it's pronounced is the, what Roman is essentially Roman culture.

00:33:59.700 And you see that in America. I mean, at the beginning, um, to be an American was, you are not

00:34:04.580 only white, but also Anglo-Saxon Protestant. You had, you adhere to an American creed, uh, uh, the American

00:34:10.340 culture. You speak English and, you know, over time, we've seen a process of erosion. Whereas

00:34:15.700 today, you know, the right in this country, they uphold, uh, somewhat of a creedal identity based

00:34:20.820 on limited government, separation of church and state, things like this. Um, and some common

00:34:25.100 American culture, but, um, to even uphold, and we see this when conservatives come out and say like,

00:34:30.500 well, to be an American is to like, you have to like, you know, the first amendment, second amendment,

00:34:34.420 well, the left comes out and oftentimes says, well, that's, that's like white supremacy. What are you

00:34:38.240 even saying? Right. So the idea to uphold a common, like civic identity has, we're at the point where

00:34:43.920 that's even like, we're losing now. We're witnessing that disappear before, you know, our eyes essentially.

00:34:48.120 And you see something similar in Rome where, what it means to be a Roman by the time of like the end

00:34:52.220 of the empire, it just means nothing essentially. Well, it wasn't really the right way to go about

00:34:55.820 it, but that was also one of the reasons that Diocletian went after the Christians. He's like,

00:34:58.520 all right, we all hate this group. So we'll be, we'll be hating this group together. Now,

00:35:00.920 obviously that's not the right way to go about it. That's also, yeah. And we said Diocletian was a lot

00:35:04.600 like Trump, but that's also more like what the left is doing these days is where they're saying,

00:35:08.120 okay, well, the left's coalition is defined by hatred and animosity towards, you know,

00:35:13.060 I mean, you think of like the white Christian males, like the archetype of everything wrong 1.00

00:35:16.400 in their worldview. But, you know, obviously if you're, if you're conservative, regardless of

00:35:19.920 race, if you're, if you're white, if you're, you know, Christian, some combination of those things,

00:35:23.680 then, you know, so much of the left's coalition, they say like the rights coalition is about like

00:35:28.380 hating immigrants or something. Not really the case. You can oppose immigration without hating them,

00:35:32.260 of course, but in terms of animosity and animus, like it's clear what the left is like, what the

00:35:37.600 glue that holds their coalition together is. So I see a lot of parallels there.

00:35:41.520 Well, go ahead, Sam. Sorry.

00:35:42.900 I think the, uh, we're talking about 30 million people being granted citizenship,

00:35:47.320 the right to vote access to public resources overnight. That I think is just mathematically

00:35:52.900 the end of, of a country or, or at least the beginning of the end. It used to be in this country

00:35:58.740 that you had to be a landowner and white in order to vote. And these leftists look back and they're

00:36:04.060 like, how, how wrong, how evil. And it's like, well, think about what the culture was like back

00:36:08.140 then. The country was 99.9% white. So that's just what ever, you know, you lived here. We knew who 0.99

00:36:13.800 you were. And the reason I had to be a landowner was because it proved you lived here over time.

00:36:18.080 However, because of cultural changes, I certainly don't think race should be a factor in whether or not

00:36:21.380 you get to vote. But I certainly think there has to be some tie to the community in order to vote.

00:36:26.540 Cause now in a situation where you can, we had this in 2020, you had, um, it was Andrew Yang

00:36:30.920 saying he was going to move to Georgia for the Senate race. I believe it was so that he could

00:36:35.320 help a Democrat win. It's like, but you don't live there. This person's supposed to represent

00:36:39.700 the people who live there. You don't, you're saying you're going to go there. And so people do this.

00:36:44.180 And then what happens is someone will move somewhere, say, I now vote for this,

00:36:47.020 destroying that place. And then they leave. You can't function that way. So if we, we have all

00:36:52.900 these illegal immigrants coming to this country, they, they bolster the census numbers, creating 0.98

00:36:58.000 electoral district, electoral college votes and congressional districts in the States, they go

00:37:02.480 to diluting the vote of the citizens, making citizenship worthless. And people who do not have 0.99

00:37:08.840 obligations, responsibilities, and ties to this country will not vote in favor of these things.

00:37:13.480 This is perfectly exemplified by the illegal immigrant Venezuelan in times square, who is 1.00

00:37:18.600 shooting at people and shot up, shot someone in the leg. And then Venezuelans rallied to his defense

00:37:23.660 against our laws in our country, because they're not part of our community. So if you, if you 0.99

00:37:29.580 overnight say all these people are now citizens, they're immediately going to say, our interests

00:37:33.540 are not yours. And we vote against you. And that will destroy or begin to destroy the fabric

00:37:38.260 of whatever was the stabilizing force was. Yeah, absolutely. And when you look at what the Democrats

00:37:42.360 and even the more radical left-wing elements of, of, you know, left of center have to say

00:37:47.160 about what it is to be an American, like I said, with like the civic identities gone,

00:37:50.780 but even citizenship like is, you know, even if it's just that, that, that legal classification,

00:37:55.540 you've gone through the steps to become, you know, legally in American citizen, even that's

00:38:00.800 gone as well. I mean, what did the Biden administration recently put out? They referred to these illegals

00:38:04.860 that are being, you know, bust in and like NGOs are stashing them at these, these hotels.

00:38:09.320 It's crazy. There's this massive, massive, what do they call them? Uh, newcomers. 1.00

00:38:14.060 Yeah. I was just in New York last week. I was just talking to Brian about this on the way in,

00:38:17.300 like, and the, the Roosevelt hotel, they're, they're all over the street, dude. I passed a

00:38:21.900 guy shooting up with heroin in the middle of the street. Like, it's like, you gotta be kidding me.

00:38:26.440 Okay. So was that happening in Rome?

00:38:29.860 Drug abuse, foreigners, non-citizens coming into the Capitol. 1.00

00:38:34.680 Well, so the drug abuse thing, I don't, I don't have any, I'm not going to lie to you and tell

00:38:39.120 you I have information on that. I don't, but the thing I, the thing I will say is,

00:38:41.920 probably opium or, well, maybe, but the, the, the thing you have to look at, and this is one of

00:38:45.980 the big things that causes instability in the third century is you have in the East and in the West,

00:38:51.300 you have two Roman generals that basically break off part of Rome and say, this is my empire now.

00:38:55.720 So you have Gallienus, who's the, the, uh, emperor who's in charge and he's just lost two parts of

00:39:01.180 the empire. And from the North, he has barbarians coming down. The barbarians had been settling in 0.92

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00:40:12.000 to handle on the right. And then he's got people coming down from the North. So you have all this

00:40:15.400 instability. Plus the emperors were lasting, like, you know, emperors previously had lasted

00:40:20.780 20 years. They would last a long time. They're lasting months. So you have turnover, turnover,

00:40:25.080 turnover, no, no central power. And then they're trying to fight off other people while trying

00:40:28.760 to keep central power. So like, it's crazy in that point, in that point.

00:40:32.040 I hear that Cincinnatus was based. Do you know a bit about him?

00:40:34.960 So Cincinnatus is, um, and that's why George Washington is called the American

00:40:38.860 Cincinnatus in the early, um, Roman Republic. And he's legend. It's a legend too. So we

00:40:44.920 don't know that Cincinnatus actually existed, but there was this office called dictator that

00:40:49.300 the Romans believed, um, and dictator comes from the, the word dictatus, which means to speak.

00:40:54.220 Um, so he would, by his words, they would do whatever. And, um, dictator would be an office

00:40:59.460 you would hold for six months and it would be absolute power because the Romans believed that

00:41:03.340 multiple people couldn't agree on things fast enough to get a problem handled. One person could.

00:41:08.180 So this person would hold power, handle a situation, lay it down. So Cincinnatus allegedly

00:41:12.340 dictator for six months, leads the legions, handles the problem, and then lays down his

00:41:18.120 power and goes back to farming. So that's why George Washington is called the American 0.74

00:41:21.420 Cincinnatus.

00:41:22.680 Yeah. He's the example of someone who was like, I only want to do my job as I'm supposed

00:41:27.320 to. And then I don't want to be, I don't want power.

00:41:29.220 He's the Roman ideal. 0.95

00:41:30.340 Yeah. Yeah. Cause now the problem we have with politics in this country is that you have people

00:41:35.240 who are mediocre, if not below average, and their only path towards notability is to hold office

00:41:41.760 for which they are incapable of functioning properly in. And it seems like we're in a

00:41:47.340 maelstrom swirling our way to oblivion.

00:41:49.880 Well, you look at somebody like, like Chuck Schumer, the guy's never had a job. He's went

00:41:53.220 right from law school to being a Senate page to being in the Senate and everything else. And

00:41:56.180 I think that is the problem. Like our people are too disc, like people, I guess you could say

00:42:01.560 ruling us in this point, cause that's what they do. Like they're too disconnected from what it means

00:42:05.020 to be the rest of us. And, you know, I run a business, I pay taxes, I have employees. And I think

00:42:09.620 like people don't know what your life is like in order to be able to do that because they're so

00:42:13.440 disconnected. They're just making laws and rules.

00:42:16.100 So one of the things that, uh, someone brought up in the super chats, uh, this is, uh, Max

00:42:21.920 McDonald, uh, McDonald wasn't the fall of Rome specifically because they overextended

00:42:25.840 themselves. America today, the main complaint is we are always meddling in foreign countries.

00:42:30.180 So I hear this a lot too. The use of mercenaries and foreign entanglements was a huge, uh, reason

00:42:36.240 why Rome began to crumble. And then we see those, one of the reasons why people are trying

00:42:40.140 to compare the United States to Rome is for that reason.

00:42:42.600 Mm-hmm. Well, you could, there's, so first of all, the fall of Rome is like debated by

00:42:48.300 for like hundreds of years because it happened so many times.

00:42:50.240 Yeah. Well, nobody can agree on it too. And you have Edward Gibbon who wrote the decline

00:42:53.360 of fall of the Roman empire in 1776 is like kind of the most famous one in that point in that

00:42:57.800 standpoint. And he has kind of this, this all cause thing, like not saying it's just one

00:43:01.120 thing, right? Like you have the, the currency is suffering. You have the, the empire is expanding.

00:43:05.120 And if you look at it in, I think it was around 130, you have of the five good emperors, you have

00:43:10.940 Emperor Hadrian that built, this is BC. This is, uh, 130 AD. AD. AD. So you have the five good

00:43:17.160 emperors. The second of those is, is Hadrian and Hadrian's builds the wall through Britain,

00:43:23.220 right? And he says, we're not going to go past this point anymore. This is our wall. This is how

00:43:25.740 far we go. And when Rome stops expanding, that's one of the things that stops it from being able to

00:43:30.280 bring in new resources and new tax base and things like that. So that expansion is one of

00:43:36.200 the things that hurts. Now, if, if we kind of come back to, um, now my brain stopped working.

00:43:42.540 I figured I was going with us, um, mercenaries, mercenaries. Okay, cool. So they bring in,

00:43:46.820 they bring in these different mercenaries to fight the wars because they don't have enough

00:43:49.560 soldiers anymore. There's this plague in the, uh, the Antonine plague, which is in the two sixties

00:43:54.340 where there's 2000 people dying a day, around eight to 10 million people die in that year

00:44:00.040 or in that time period. And you have 10% of the empires actually died. So there is a extreme need

00:44:06.260 for soldiers. And you have in the two hundreds, emperors realizing their power comes from soldiers.

00:44:10.800 So they need more of them. So they start bringing in barbarians. And, and I think people have this 0.99

00:44:16.180 weird idea about the barbarians is they're just like these like crazy long haired guys with beards. 0.98

00:44:20.340 And it's, they actually would have been closer to Roman than what we believe. And they're called 0.53

00:44:23.960 barbarians because when the Greeks heard them, they sounded like bar, bar, bar, bar, bar. And

00:44:28.680 barbarous is actually the Latin word for beard. So they were just kind of these bearded guys that

00:44:33.740 were actually closer to Roman than what we want to believe. What were they hearing? Bar, bar, bar,

00:44:37.060 bar, bar. Because that's what the Greeks would, that sounded like to them. And that's when they 0.75

00:44:40.700 spoke, right. When they spoke, it sounded like they were saying bar, bar, bar, bar. So the Greeks said,

00:44:44.580 oh, these are barbarians. Wow. That's funny. Well, you see, so you're now making, 1.00

00:44:49.840 you know, drawing somewhat of a similarity between the Romans and, and, you know, these

00:44:54.520 kind of Germanic or Celtic barbarians, but the Romans wouldn't have appreciated that.

00:44:57.640 Oh no, absolutely not. They would have thought they were much better than them.

00:45:00.900 Right. Right. I mean, there was, I was reading a little bit into Julius Caesar and how he kind,

00:45:05.820 I don't know if he started this process of, he was definitely like very early in establishing

00:45:09.880 like colonies and so forth. Maybe he was the first, but with that came granting, you know, citizenship

00:45:14.740 to some of these, you know, inhabitants of the far reaches of the empire, like these,

00:45:19.420 the gods. Yeah. And there was this, this one anecdote of, you know, some Roman was, was complaining 0.92

00:45:26.000 about how, you know, Caesar was giving, you know, that they were peeling off their stinking trousers

00:45:30.760 and putting on togas and going down to, to whatever. But yeah, I mean, obviously the barbarians 0.98

00:45:36.120 were a big part in, in Rome's decline as well. They started bringing them in as, as mercenaries,

00:45:40.040 they were battling them. And yeah, it didn't, lo and behold, that kind of demographic change

00:45:45.360 oftentimes doesn't work out for the best, does it?

00:45:47.380 No, it doesn't. And, and 410 is, is the, the sack of Rome under Alaric. And during that

00:45:53.260 period of time is when the Roman, the Roman empire actually starts paying money to these

00:45:57.360 people to stop attacking them, which is, which is, I don't know, like $10,000 a month

00:46:02.520 in New York city is what, is what migrants are getting right now. So what do you figure?

00:46:05.640 But they're, but they're not, I mean, they're paying them to come, you know what I mean?

00:46:09.120 But they're attacking our tax base.

00:46:10.140 It's an invasion. It's, it's, it's, it is different though.

00:46:12.940 No, definitely.

00:46:13.600 Some of the effects are the same. If you let in like, yeah, as we talked about earlier,

00:46:16.960 you know, tens of infinity people from like the far reaches of the world, but.

00:46:20.780 I'll decide Bernie Sanders. If you open, if you have open borders, your country will become

00:46:24.720 poorer, which is true.

00:46:26.260 Yeah, that's Bernie. I don't know where he's at today, but that was, that was.

00:46:29.660 Yeah. You can't say that anymore. Can you? Definitely.

00:46:31.820 Were the Romans like the Nazis, like, cause they wrote the history books. So you'd look at them 0.92

00:46:37.060 as the history wrote them, but were they actually like genocidal, racists, nationalists, just

00:46:43.200 conquering.

00:46:45.860 I think you could say that. You could say that. Go ahead.

00:46:48.340 I was just going to say, I think there may be more, a little more like civic nationalists

00:46:51.620 today in the sense that like, they had this idea of right. Romanitas, I believe it is

00:46:56.360 Roman-ness and you know, any, so I don't think they were racially exclusionary when it came

00:47:01.880 to who could become a Roman, but it was, yeah, they weren't very accepting.

00:47:06.320 No, they were very, they were very accepting. Right. So that doesn't mean like, you know,

00:47:09.640 some of these modern, like VBC news things or all the Romans were all black or something

00:47:13.820 that it doesn't, I'm not making that argument just to be very clear, but like.

00:47:16.480 Ask Google Gemini. Yeah. I don't think they, I don't think they were like hardcore, like

00:47:20.760 racialists in the sense that like, we kind of understand it today. I think it was more

00:47:24.540 like, this is what, you know, it is to be Roman. It's, you know, you've got the Roman

00:47:28.240 gods, Roman culture, the Roman way of life. And they were open to, to outsiders to, to

00:47:33.060 come into that. But I don't think it, but yeah, it took, it could take decades to become

00:47:36.640 a Roman citizen. This was not, you know, oh, anyone can come in. Like now liberals say,

00:47:40.720 oh, anyone can be an American just like, you know, you're a newcomer or whatever. No, I think 0.78

00:47:44.360 it was, they were open to it, but like the, the process oftentimes of becoming a Roman

00:47:47.880 citizen was pretty restrictive. And, you know, that's kind of what we lost a large part here

00:47:53.100 in America. It changed a lot over the years too, because it's, you had the Roman army,

00:47:57.320 but then you also had the auxiliary. So the auxiliary were people that weren't Roman citizens

00:48:00.900 and were serving under Rome. And what would typically happen is if you could serve for 20

00:48:05.040 years and somehow not die, you would become a Roman citizen, but also your wife would,

00:48:09.840 your children would, your descendants would, so you could get it for your whole family.

00:48:12.860 It's like chain immigration. After 212, that doesn't matter as much.

00:48:15.700 Well, with the, uh, turning 30 million people, you said it was like 30 million into citizens.

00:48:20.980 We're not there yet, but I think we will be. Cause you know, one thing I see is

00:48:24.800 the left. It doesn't matter because you've also talked about how it changes congressional

00:48:28.660 representation and that's actually the bigger game.

00:48:30.560 Right. Especially as it pertains to the electoral, the electoral college. So when people argue that

00:48:34.580 illegal immigrants vote, it's like, well, they're not voting and they don't need to because 1.00

00:48:37.200 this country's president is not chosen by a popular vote, chosen by electoral college.

00:48:40.380 So if a non-citizen is in this country, they are counted and California it's estimated has between

00:48:45.580 on the lower end, but about one extra congressional seat and electoral vote

00:48:49.980 upwards of seven extra votes for the president. So California's interests

00:48:55.320 are overrepresented in this country because of non-citizens. They don't, we're not a direct

00:49:01.900 democracy. If they're here and they get a seat in Congress, they're, they are voting. There will be

00:49:06.500 not really. And it creates this interesting circumstance where in these districts that

00:49:11.780 have large portions, large populations of non-citizens, you can't vote that out. Those 1.00

00:49:17.040 people can't vote. So there they are. Let's say you've got 15, 20% of a congressional district is

00:49:23.440 not, is, is illegal immigrants. It's probably not that high. They spread it out, but that means that 0.73

00:49:29.200 a politician only needs 700,000 instead of 775,000 that, so you're, you can't vote against those

00:49:37.180 people. You're not going to bring in Republicans to counter something like that. When I look at the

00:49:41.940 arguments by Democrats today, what I see is if they win, if this worldview wins, they will abolish the

00:49:51.160 idea of citizenship. What they will say is they will equate it to slavery a hundred years from now.

00:49:57.140 They'd say something like, you know, it's shocking that citizenship existed. The fact that a human had

00:50:02.560 no right to speak up about where they lived because they didn't have papers. Isn't that crazy? And these

00:50:09.680 people had to, they, they, they couldn't get access to resources. They had no access to the public,

00:50:14.740 to the public sphere, no say in how things were done. They were basically slaves. The difference of

00:50:20.520 course being these people come here by choice to bask in the prosperity of this country, but that's the

00:50:25.280 argument they're trying to make. And now the left has been doing a few things. They've been calling

00:50:28.720 them undocumented citizens. So they're going to use this idea to say the, the fact that a person

00:50:35.820 could live in the United States and not be allowed to speak and vote on their own home was an affront.

00:50:42.620 It was authoritarian. It was a barbaric practice and we abolished it in the second civil war.

00:50:47.980 But, you know, I think that's, what's so important about like, you know, shows like this and

00:50:51.640 companies like Tim cast and the daily wire and things like that. And you know, why we do what

00:50:55.700 we do at my company is like, there's never been the ability to get alternative voices like this

00:51:01.900 out there before. Like all you've received or what you're saying right now is all people have

00:51:05.780 received. There's been nothing we can do about it. And that's why I'm super hopeful about where

00:51:08.960 we are now is like, sure. If we, if we have Trump doing some reforms, we can handle that. But also

00:51:13.280 like people have never been this aware of what's happening to them before. So is it a great

00:51:18.000 situation? No, but I think you're actually getting people educated in a way they feel

00:51:21.380 like they can do something about it.

00:51:22.740 You know, what's fascinating is I pulled up barbarian on Wikipedia and they, they have

00:51:28.280 this amazing passage where it said, uh, Greek writers called them barbarians because the

00:51:33.400 language they spoke is Egyptians, Persians, Medes, how do you pronounce that?

00:51:38.120 Medes and Phoenicians. Their language sounded like gibberish represented by the words

00:51:43.420 barbarians. That's hilarious. But it does, it shows this map routes taken by barbarian 0.91

00:51:49.260 invaders. And this is, you know, so what's fascinating here is invasions of the Roman 0.85

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00:53:05.380 In that various groups of people from various different countries are invading this country. 0.70

00:53:13.200 But they're not even invading because Joe Biden said, come on in. Like, I think that's the

00:53:17.180 difference is the Romans were, you know, they... Marcus Aurelius spent so much of his career

00:53:21.260 fighting them off, right? But we're just saying, come on in, guys. You know, the water's fine. And I

00:53:24.980 think that's the difference between what was happening in Rome. It's not an invasion. They're just

00:53:27.900 coming. I'd say it's a different type of invasion. Yeah. It's not an invasion in the

00:53:31.540 sense that they're, you know, we have the political will to keep them out, but we don't

00:53:35.720 have the ability. Yeah. They're being, they're being invited in, obviously. And for reasons we

00:53:40.820 already discussed, for demographic change, for changing, you know, the political institutions

00:53:45.080 in this country, bringing us closer to left-wing, you know, totalitarianism. But yeah, it's crazy.

00:53:51.520 I mean, I don't know if there's ever been an invasion of this type in, you know, human history

00:53:55.800 where you've just had, you know, the gates totally opened by, you know, a corrupt ruling class and

00:54:01.520 the people, the people. I mean, most Americans, you look at the support for things like a border

00:54:05.300 wall, immigration restriction, opposition to what they're seeing at the southern border. I mean,

00:54:09.560 depending on the poll, most of them show like a majority, a plurality are against this. So now

00:54:14.780 there are obviously still a lot of people who are for this because they're, they think, you know,

00:54:19.060 every, every, you know, African or Chinese immigrant coming across the border is going to be the next 1.00

00:54:24.280 Bach or something of the sort. They're going to be, you know, doctors and lawyers. Maybe they

00:54:28.220 already are. I don't know. If you have a hundred people and they, let's say they all believe in,

00:54:35.480 you know, one particular religion and you start allowing other cultures and other people to come

00:54:40.500 in, if it come, like the more they come in, those people will alter the voting patterns of the,

00:54:46.280 of the community and then eventually start favoring themselves. And then you no longer have a

00:54:52.540 country. Well, you, you did an explanation, I think about a week ago about the, the way the

00:54:55.760 ties people wear. And I think that's a really good explanation, right? Like if one group says,

00:54:59.800 okay, we all wear bow ties and then they bring in more of their friends that say we wear bow ties

00:55:02.920 too. Like, I think that, that is a really good explanation of you, you, you bring people,

00:55:07.080 those people come in, they change the rules and then what are you going to do about it?

00:55:11.040 If, if, uh, yes. So if you have a hundred people and they all, they all agree, like everybody has

00:55:14.580 to wear a bow tie, that's our uniform. And they bring in, they say, we're going to allow more

00:55:17.740 people to move in here, but they got to wear bow ties. Many of them will, but they don't want to.

00:55:23.260 And so they're like, everything's fine. We invited 10 of our friends in and they're wearing the bow

00:55:27.360 ties. Then they say, let's invite 10 more people. And we'll tell them they got to wear bow ties too. 0.89

00:55:31.300 Once you, you go from 100 and now you've got 80 people. So there's 180 total, the dominant force

00:55:37.600 still votes. Everyone wears bow ties, but those 80 people, they'll do it. They don't want to do it.

00:55:42.200 They don't hold those same cultural values and traditions. They're adhering them here, 1.00

00:55:45.560 adhering to them out of necessity. But once you, once you invite 20 more in,

00:55:49.240 now there's a contest in the vote, all of a sudden bow ties are out. And this cultural

00:55:53.480 tradition your country had, which in this instance, bow tie doesn't really matter,

00:55:56.960 but let's say it's free speech. Let's say it's free speech and you have a hundred people and

00:56:00.640 they're all like free speech must be no matter what your ideas, no matter how bad it is.

00:56:03.620 As long as you're not inciting violence, we're going to share ideas. They invite people in who keep

00:56:07.660 screaming. We hate free speech. And they're like, yeah, well, free speech is the law of the land.

00:56:11.180 Then they invite more people in who hate free speech. Once you get to 100 free speech supporters

00:56:15.380 and 101 who oppose it, guess who wins the vote? That's democracy.

00:56:20.220 Well, and that's how Rome fell. If you want to explain it in the basics, that's how it fell.

00:56:22.760 You bring in a whole bunch of people for a long period of time. And eventually the,

00:56:25.720 you have in, in, um, 476, the, the barbarian King Odo Wacker says, okay, no more, no more,

00:56:31.980 uh, emperors, you know, we're in charge anyway. So just get rid of them. That if you want to 0.75

00:56:35.800 explain it in basics, that's how it happened.

00:56:37.280 When they made 30 million citizens, was there blowback to that? Is it documented much?

00:56:43.260 That I don't have any data on. Um, I don't have any information on that.

00:56:45.800 Well, he was stabbed to death. Maybe that was part of it, but, uh, yeah, but it's, it's a lot.

00:56:49.800 He probably did a lot of, a lot of emperors were stabbed to death at that point in time too.

00:56:53.140 So there's not documentation of the citizens turning on the new people. I, I don't, I don't have any

00:56:58.200 information on that. Yeah. I don't know. The empire was huge at that point. Cause that's, that's,

00:57:01.640 you know, 30 million people across Asia, Europe, Africa, North Africa. Yeah. And the empire at that

00:57:07.520 time was around 140 million, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, uh, I pulled up a map.

00:57:12.580 And this is 117 AD, uh, Trajan, how do you pronounce that? Yeah. Trajan. Trajan. Trajan.

00:57:18.440 Trajan. He was an emperor. And so, uh, I think it said like, was this like the height of the

00:57:23.840 Roman empire? 117? So this was during Rome's golden age. This would have been, um, right around

00:57:27.800 the time of, uh, so Trajan and, uh, Hadrian are kind of like in the same time period. So that's

00:57:33.660 considered to be Rome's golden age, the time of the five good emperors. Pax Romana? Pax Romana,

00:57:38.700 the Roman peace. Yes. There was no, how long did that last? Which is interesting because

00:57:42.820 they're still fighting barbarians on their borders during that time period, but Rome itself was

00:57:46.520 very peaceful and prosperous. How long did that last for this, this, this period? You're

00:57:51.040 looking at, um, around one, so 117 here. So things are pretty good until 192. So you have

00:58:00.280 a very good time period and then you have Commodus and everything kind of gets crazy.

00:58:04.840 Man, could you imagine being born in like 120 AD living your life? You're like 65,

00:58:10.200 70 years old. And you're like, man, Roman empire has been so good and so perfect. And then you,

00:58:14.640 and then you die and everyone claps. There's a couple of years there.

00:58:17.220 Well, that's what it feels like to be alive today in the United States.

00:58:20.500 My whole life. Those are like the baby boomers basically. 1.00

00:58:22.880 Yeah. Although I don't know, there've been, I'll be, I'll be fair to the boomers. You know, 1.00

00:58:25.680 they had to go through some stuff, Vietnam or whatever. Vietnam.

00:58:29.000 It wasn't, it wasn't that long though. I mean, uh, the boomers. Yeah. I guess, 0.99

00:58:33.860 you know, being born after world war two or being very, very young.

00:58:37.100 They didn't have 80 years at the very least, but there's Vietnam. I mean, the boomers in 1.00

00:58:41.480 this country, many of them were destroyed by the foreign policy of this country. So I don't think

00:58:46.120 it's, I'm sure it's probably fair to say that of course, you know, from 117 to 192, it wasn't

00:58:52.000 just everyone's life was perfect. It was conflict, but it was the most prosperous time where Rome was

00:58:56.080 actually the largest, you know, they, they get territory. You didn't have Roman generals like

00:58:59.520 invading the city every, uh, every other week.

00:59:01.880 No. And, and you know, it's interesting in the two hundreds too. Um, so you have Caracalla and

00:59:05.720 then you have his, so his, uh, stepmother, this, this lady named Julia comes in with this, 1.00

00:59:11.400 this 11 year old kid and says, Hey, this is Caracalla's son. It most likely wasn't.

00:59:15.540 And this guy's name is Elagabalus and he, Elagabalus is a priest of the cult of Elagabal. So

00:59:21.280 these people that worship this black rock and he made all of Rome come to his black rocks wedding 0.98

00:59:26.060 to another black rock and he married a vestal. He married a vestal virgin and he rode around 0.96

00:59:32.000 in a chariot that was, uh, towed by prostitutes and he took his hairdresser and put him in 0.98

00:59:38.700 charge of Rome's grain supply. So like, this was kind of the final thing that made all the

00:59:42.460 military guys just like, this guy's crazy. We just need to like handle things.

00:59:46.060 How is this empire enforced? Is, is it, how so they are, are there troops that are trained

00:59:53.380 in Rome loyal to Rome deployed to oversee all the different regions?

00:59:57.060 The Roman, they're loyal to their general. And that became the problem, right? That's why 0.99

01:00:01.360 these barrack emperors happen because in the, in the fourth century you have like, I think 0.98

01:00:05.360 it's like 47 different guys that claim to be emperor. Now only a few of them are ever actually

01:00:09.080 officially emperor. And, and that's the problem. And that's why Diocletian changes things the

01:00:13.720 way he does with who's in, with where the military station, who's in charge of them, because

01:00:17.220 he realizes that all you need is enough money. That's been debased to pay your, your

01:00:22.380 troops and enough troops. And you're the guy in charge. That's, that's literally what happened.

01:00:25.660 So at some point the empire shatters in half, right? Becomes the Western. And in this map,

01:00:31.840 they said the Eastern Roman empire and the Western Roman empire, right? What year was that? How did

01:00:35.760 that happen? So it has, so 470, so you have Diocletian starts the division, right? He starts

01:00:41.580 the division between East and West and you would have Constantine who reigns in 310 is kind of the

01:00:48.640 last one to, to rule over a United empire. And then you just really have an Eastern line and a

01:00:53.720 Western line. And that's, that's really when that, that delineation happens. And interestingly enough,

01:00:58.060 I'm sure people listening might disagree with me, but if you look at the reason the Eastern empire

01:01:04.560 lasts, it's really only because it has the richer tax base, which is Egypt and Syria and places like

01:01:10.580 that. There was more money there, Syria, Palestina. And then as well, Constantinople was hard as hell to

01:01:16.280 invade. Like it's literally just geography protects Constantinople. It can't be invaded

01:01:20.020 like Rome could because Rome, you just kind of come down. It's all over, man.

01:01:23.700 The, the walls, the, of Byzantium, those were, the Byzantine walls were built a little bit later

01:01:28.480 on, but they were, they were like, I think like four layers thick. They're these very, very thick

01:01:32.680 walls, but also geographically you kind of have, you have the map up here. You have, as you kind of

01:01:38.260 come into, wow, this is amazing. Look at this. You come into, see, see that entrance point into the,

01:01:42.540 into the black sea there. You have the Helen's pond. It's called the Helen's pond. That's where you'd get in.

01:01:45.940 And then on the other side of it is where Constantinople was. So you really only could

01:01:50.200 get to Constantinople from the water. And that's the thing that really protects it because they

01:01:53.940 only had to protect themselves from the North and Rome. You had to protect yourself in basically 0.74

01:01:58.000 three areas. You had them come from the North. They could come from the East. They could come

01:02:01.320 from the South. So it's very easy to protect a city like that, especially when you make the walls

01:02:05.360 you make around it. They, uh, they would like chain off the waterways in there and people couldn't

01:02:09.800 get in. And then at some point, somebody like walked boats, they picked up their boats and walked

01:02:13.600 them around behind Constantinople and then came in from behind, you know, that's one of the big 0.83

01:02:18.520 things that causes the, the fault of the Muslims in 1453. That's what it was. So the Ottomans, 0.85

01:02:23.660 what, what happens with the fracturing of the Roman empire into, into two, does this create

01:02:28.980 conflict war between the two empires? So there's still this idea of wanting to have a united Roman

01:02:35.520 empire and every emperor wants to be, you know, the big guy. So you have Justinian in the, um,

01:02:43.060 it's in the 500s. That's the sixth century. He actually comes in and displaces the barbarian 0.99

01:02:49.160 king that's in charge to try and unite Rome. But if you look at it, he, this attack is actually

01:02:55.480 one of the things that causes the West to just fall apart. His attempts to reunite it because he

01:03:01.160 kills so many people, displaces so many people, creates so much problems. Um, Justinian actually 1.00

01:03:06.760 causes the fall in the West and it's actually his writers that will call the 476 fall to the

01:03:13.520 barbarians because they don't want him to be responsible for it. So that's actually what

01:03:17.100 happens. And then after that time period, you have Justinian is the last guy to have the whole

01:03:21.960 Roman empire. And then it just kind of fades away after that point. And then, uh, the Roman empire had

01:03:26.800 indoor plumbing. And then after that we get what the dark ages or what point did the dark ages start?

01:03:34.080 Is it like, it depends on what authors you read, right? Because it, because there's different

01:03:37.480 opinions on it. And it's after 476, you have all the different tribes come in and kind of take over 0.95

01:03:42.500 the area. And they had law, they like, they still had aqueducts. They still had all these different

01:03:47.540 things, but they weren't using them as much and they didn't know how to fix these things because

01:03:50.800 they didn't build them. So that was one of the major things. They went back to what they already knew.

01:03:55.000 They didn't know how to create these things because they had lost, uh, you know, with the

01:03:58.460 Justinian invasion, they'd lost a lot of the Romans that knew what was happening. And that was kind of 0.91

01:04:01.940 the end of it. So Wikipedia says the dark age is the term for the early middle ages, fifth century

01:04:05.920 to the 10th centuries. So this is just after the fall of Rome, right? The fall of Rome is considered

01:04:10.040 late antiquity. And you go into that is, uh, more the dark ages. Well, so what happens like when Rome

01:04:14.100 breaks, basically all this prosperity and advancement shutters, and then people end up living in

01:04:19.400 dark, the dark ages, like it's, it's disease, it's squalor. What is it?

01:04:22.900 Oh, there's a lot to be said about it, but there's a sense of separation from, uh, right. Isn't that

01:04:28.480 right? Like from, it's just a separation from Roman history is really all it is. Like they, they, 0.99

01:04:32.260 they would have been in much like, sure. They didn't have an indoor plumbing, but they would have been

01:04:35.560 more similar to, to, um, what we see as Frankish France and things like that. They, they, they were

01:04:41.020 much more established than people want to believe they were. So, but it's, it's just that the writing

01:04:46.260 from that time period would have come from the Eastern Roman empire. The, uh, what, what, what

01:04:52.000 was at the height of the Roman empire, let's say what, like one, one 20 was the golden age around the

01:04:56.360 golden age. Yeah. What was everyone speaking Latin or was it all just different languages?

01:05:00.380 So it depends. They all wrote in Latin and the really, uh, shi, shi, foo, foo kind of rich Romans

01:05:06.480 all spoke Greek and, um, because it was seen as kind of being fancier to speak Greek.

01:05:12.260 Oh yeah. It's Greek. Of course.

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01:06:14.260 Everyone else speaks bar bar, but I'm interested because you take a look at, uh, you know, the,

01:06:20.600 the romance languages, the, what, do these start to emerge out of the fall of the Roman empire?

01:06:25.800 Well, what you would have is a lot of these barbarian languages would, um, mix with Latin and

01:06:30.800 that's how you would get the different romance languages. Like Spanish, I believe is, is Arabic

01:06:35.240 and Latin combined sort of. That I don't know. Um, but if you look at kind of Southern France,

01:06:41.260 Southern France is really interesting. Um, it's this area called Occitania. And during this time

01:06:45.700 period, they take Latin, French, and Spanish, and they create this really, it's, if you ever

01:06:52.160 get a chance to read about Occitania, it's a really, really interesting. I think I've

01:06:55.380 heard of this. It's a really, really interesting place. And, um, the papacy gets a little concerned

01:07:00.720 because they take Christianity and they, they mix it with the worship of, uh, Apollo. And,

01:07:05.960 but they create this like really equal society. You know, people are really getting along,

01:07:09.340 but then you have what's called the Albigensian crusade where the Pope comes in. He's like,

01:07:12.400 Oh, these guys are kind of rough. And he kills them all. Whoa. That sounds like a Twitter 0.99

01:07:17.240 ideology. Right? It sounds like something you would see on Twitter. Someone's like new thing

01:07:21.280 where like we worship Christ, but also we're going to Paris next month. I was trying to talk

01:07:25.660 my wife in Southern France and she's like next time. But everybody wrote in Latin in the Roman

01:07:30.100 empire. Yes. That's wild. And then some poetry and things would be in Greek, but most things

01:07:34.580 were in Latin. So then it seems like after the fall of the Roman empire, that Latin starts to

01:07:40.680 evolve that people don't just stop writing the way they write, but they're writing what becomes

01:07:45.000 endemic to their region. Well, because they also wanted to be seen as Roman. Like, I think that's 0.99

01:07:48.820 what's interesting is that they had, they actually admired Rome and the system that had been built,

01:07:53.900 but they had to take it in the way they understood it. Right? Like if they understood it with,

01:07:57.420 you know, more of a Spanish influence and that's how you're going to do it. If you understood it with

01:08:01.200 more of a Frankish influence, that's how you're going to do it. So that that's how they devolve.

01:08:05.080 Yeah. And then Latin, which was the kind of colloquial, like common tongue for,

01:08:08.680 for Rome ended up obviously becoming the, you know, the more elite scholarly, uh, you know,

01:08:14.080 language and, and kind of retained that, that, you know, status over the course of, I don't know,

01:08:19.400 hundreds, maybe a thousand years of, of history. People still study Latin to this day. Obviously

01:08:23.360 it's not, it's not quite the same, but. Well, medieval Latin got kind of funky too,

01:08:27.020 because it started like making up words. It's always fun. I like how they call them romance

01:08:31.400 languages with us, the word Roman. Right. Well, even, even like, there's so many things that come

01:08:35.820 from like, from the, that, that people don't expect, like even, uh, C section, Caesarean

01:08:40.740 section, because there's legend that Caesar was born in that way too. So like, there's so many

01:08:44.620 things that we use every day that come from that. We don't expect what happened. So it was another

01:08:48.860 real quick, just don't forget that question. I'm just, I just looked it up and, uh, Wikipedia says

01:08:54.200 romance language is the continuation of vulgar Latin, which was the more common speak of settlers,

01:09:00.020 merchants, soldiers distinguished from classical, which was spoken by the upper classes.

01:09:04.360 Interesting. And then, uh, yeah, you ask your question. I want to keep what happened at the

01:09:10.360 end of the, at the end of the, uh, the, the Republic, like what, what was falling? Did someone

01:09:16.220 get bribed? Did it, was it just like a deal on the table? Like the federal reserve act?

01:09:20.740 Sorry. Uh, because actually what I, what I assumed, and as you know, I'm sure there's a lot of people

01:09:25.760 who know a lot more about this than I do, but my assumption was, you know, if everyone's speaking

01:09:29.320 some form of Latin, there's a, there's a unification in this culture where, uh, the writing is going to be

01:09:33.880 similar. Everyone's gonna be able to communicate when the Capitol breaks basically. And now there's

01:09:37.800 no more cultural ties. The empire falls. My assumption was everyone who spoke Latin continue 1.00

01:09:42.520 to do so, but now being isolated, they start to create their own endemic evolution of the

01:09:46.880 language. And that's actually what it says. Yeah. When the, when the empires declined the

01:09:49.820 fragmentation and collapse of its Western half in the fifth and sixth centuries, the spoken

01:09:53.940 varieties of Latin became more isolated from each other with the Western dialects coming under heavy

01:09:57.960 Germanic influence, the Goths and the Franks, and the Eastern dialects coming under Slavic,

01:10:01.720 uh, influence. The dialects diverged from classical Latin at an accelerated rate and eventually

01:10:06.840 evolved into a continuum of recognizably different typologies. The colonial empires established by

01:10:12.580 Portugal, Spain, and France in the 15th century onward spread their language to other continents.

01:10:16.760 That's so, it's so wild. Well, it's how they, it's how they understood it, right? But there's

01:10:20.340 one language that obviously has its dialects. Could you imagine if the United States were to follow

01:10:26.660 the path of, let's say, let's say world war three happens and EMP just goes off. Let's say Russia 0.98

01:10:33.640 is like, they've invaded NATO troops are coming. And then the NATO troops are pressing on the Eastern

01:10:38.920 border of Ukraine. So Russia just fires a couple of Mervs peppering the Eastern seaboard. The EMPs 0.85

01:10:45.140 shut down all the major data centers. Internet is gone. And then after, you know, global, uh,

01:10:52.340 decimation of technology, people will still communicate for the most part, but you will

01:10:57.260 start to see rapid evolution of new languages. I don't think it's possible with communication

01:11:00.420 technology, even if a war were to happen, but let's say like we get an Einstein. I don't know

01:11:05.320 what world war three will be fought with, but world war four will be fought with sticks and stones type

01:11:09.080 scenario where everyone's reduced to the stone age. People in Texas start creating their own,

01:11:15.160 you know, the South starts generating their own language because people stop. They're not traveling as

01:11:18.940 much. They're not communicating over long periods anymore. And then after a couple hundred years,

01:11:23.860 Seattle speaks a different language to Texas. Like that's insane that that's what happened.

01:11:28.900 Well, I think we wouldn't have to be as connected as we are now for that to work. And that's why you

01:11:31.920 see what you see during Rome, right? Like we would have to have, it would have to be some sort of an

01:11:35.860 EMP situation. We'd have to be so disconnected. I think that's only could happen, but I think there's

01:11:40.420 too many books about ham radio for that to happen. To be honest, people, you know, like it's,

01:11:46.000 it's fascinating. I was watching a video on Chicago dialect and there are some things that still

01:11:51.040 remain true. For instance, in Chicago, we say curbs. Some people say that we say gym shoes.

01:11:57.700 What else, what else do we say that people don't say? I don't know. There, there are certain words,

01:12:01.200 expressway or something. I don't know. There are terms that I'm like, I grew up with and I heard all

01:12:05.380 these things and they were normal to me. And a hero, I never heard, I never knew that word,

01:12:10.160 a hero sandwich, H-E-R-O. Never, not part of my, and then I went to New York and I asked for a sub

01:12:17.600 and they're like, a what? I went to a bodega and I was like, I didn't even know what a bodega

01:12:21.660 man is a convenience store, corner store. We call them corner stores. But anyway, the point is,

01:12:24.940 but even like within a state too, like in New Jersey, I'm from North Jersey. We have Taylor ham,

01:12:29.200 South Jersey have pork roll. I don't have Taylor. I have no idea what that is. It's, I don't know.

01:12:33.600 It's not a place they call it pork roll, but Taylor ham. But so an interesting thing happened.

01:12:37.420 I'm watching this and he, and you know, this guy is saying like, you know, you know, it really irks

01:12:41.040 me is when people claim that people in Chicago say Chicago because they don't. And maybe they did

01:12:46.780 40, 50 years ago, but they don't now. And people like, I will jokingly say Chicago. And then people

01:12:53.320 think it's a literal pronunciation because their exposure to like this word. I'm like, no, it's,

01:12:57.820 ah, it's always been, ah, as long as I've been alive. But the fascinating thing is we did have

01:13:02.640 these dialects that emerged across the country, but then you started getting television

01:13:06.360 television and television started doing away with these regional dialects. If not for mass

01:13:12.540 communications, the regional dialects absolutely could have started to evolve into new languages.

01:13:17.220 Yes.

01:13:18.100 Crazy.

01:13:18.860 Yeah.

01:13:19.200 Anyway, Ian, you were gonna ask about the federal reserve printing of money.

01:13:21.380 Oh, uh, yeah, that was, um, so when the Republic fell, the Roman Republic, did it get,

01:13:27.280 was it like expedited by some paperwork signed by some dudes in a back room one night? And they

01:13:33.300 were like, all right, it's over. Or was it, was it actually literally Julius Caesar coming

01:13:37.360 in with the troops?

01:13:38.660 Um, we have Caesar kind of expedites the situation cause he, he pisses everybody off,

01:13:43.620 but really it only falls because, um, Augustus keeps it going, right? Like it's people had

01:13:48.980 really been damaged by one 33 to 31. They're just guy invading, guy invading, guy invading.

01:13:54.820 So eventually they just say, we just want some stability. And that's what Augustus promises

01:13:58.000 them. So that, that, that's really all people are looking for. They're looking for a savior.

01:14:00.780 It sounds like, I don't know if you guys know the business plot. You were here, the business

01:14:04.160 plot, 1933, the bunch of businessmen asked Smedley Butler to lead a fascist coup on the

01:14:10.560 United States, 500,000 men. They wanted him to march to Washington DC to overthrow FDR.

01:14:15.660 And that sounds like that was the proposition of like, let's create the emperor empire blatantly.

01:14:20.980 And they, you know, Smedley said no, but that's like the Rubicon would have been the crossing

01:14:25.960 of the Rubicon literally if they'd done that.

01:14:28.100 I want to go back to the question you just asked though, about like the dissolution of

01:14:31.000 the empire.

01:14:32.040 Of the Republic into the empire?

01:14:33.640 No, no. Of, of, of the empire itself. Like how did the, the, the empire cease to be?

01:14:39.320 Like, was it people met in a room? Like Ian was saying, but not, I'm not talking about

01:14:43.600 backroom deals or anything, but just guys sat down there. Like, I think it's over.

01:14:47.200 You mean like in force at 476, where he was talking about earlier in like the 30.

01:14:50.640 Later on.

01:14:51.260 Okay. Later on.

01:14:51.740 The official end, which fragments, well, you have this, this objective, right?

01:14:55.380 It's subjective, but you also eventually have this, this barbarian king, um, this barbarian

01:14:59.380 guy named Oda Wacker. And he's like, all right, all the troops are with me anyway. So we're

01:15:02.640 just going to end the charade and I'm in charge now. That's basically what happens. One guy

01:15:05.020 just says, all right, it's over. I'm in charge.

01:15:06.340 But when do like regions stop responding to orders? When do soldiers stop controlling land?

01:15:11.240 Well, yeah, that would be after Justinian's invasion because after Justinian's invasion,

01:15:14.080 there's a power vacuum. And cause he comes in and he kills the barbarian king and everything

01:15:17.940 else.

01:15:18.360 But so this is basically like the, the end of the Roman empire officially is a, is a

01:15:24.200 decline, not an instantaneous thing.

01:15:26.200 Well, in the East, they wouldn't have considered themselves by Byzantines. They thought they

01:15:29.160 were still Romans, right? So at the same time, if you ask them the Roman empire, that's why

01:15:32.980 there's this whole debated thing. What year did it end? And if you ask them, the Roman empire

01:15:37.160 ends in 1453.

01:15:38.660 My, the reason I ask is because my view of, of government is basically the confidence of the

01:15:45.060 people. If the people believe it, it is. So when we get to a point, as we're getting

01:15:48.720 to now in the United States, people do not believe the police have authority. What do

01:15:51.900 you see? You know, I just watched a video where a guy gets out of his car and starts

01:15:55.380 punching motor cops, like cops on motorcycles. He's just beaten it. And then he gets in his

01:16:00.200 car and leaves. That's wild to me because that means that guy's thinking I, you have no

01:16:06.200 power. You can do nothing. We see these, uh, there's a, there's a viral video from New

01:16:10.920 York where a guy's playing the cello in the subway. A woman walks up, grabs a bottle and

01:16:14.960 cracks him on the head with it. She gets arrested. She gets released. No problem. You got the

01:16:19.960 cops, the people who beat the, the illegal immigrants who beat the crap out of the cops 1.00

01:16:23.020 get released right away. What happens is people see these stories and in their minds, they think

01:16:28.100 police have no power. What happens then? If, if we come to a point where as I, this, this,

01:16:35.760 this is how I've explained it in the past. A, you hear knock on your door one day and you

01:16:41.320 walk up and you look through your people and there is a clown, like a literal clown with 0.89

01:16:45.160 clown makeup and a big bright nose. And he's got an angry expression on his face and he 0.88

01:16:49.000 knocks on the door and then he goes on his nose. And you're like, what was going on?

01:16:52.200 And you open the door and then he looks at you and he's like, I have a clown warrant for 0.93

01:16:55.680 your arrest. You'd be like, get off my property. What is this? Is a joke? Now the absurdity

01:17:02.140 of seeing a clown do that and call for your arrest. Everybody understands the clown can't 0.92

01:17:04.860 arrest you. It's a weird guy. Now imagine the exact same scenario, but the clown costume

01:17:11.740 is the Bureau of Public Legal Services. And you're like, I have no idea what your department

01:17:15.820 is. Who are you? And what authority do you have? I'm not listening to you. When it comes

01:17:20.400 to the point where people equate a police officer showing up their door, knocking the door and

01:17:25.080 saying, I'm on, I'm, I'm here for your arrest. I have a warrant from a judge. And people feel

01:17:28.840 the same way as they would work a clown. And they just say, I'm not listening to you.

01:17:33.080 What are you going to do about it? Then government is done.

01:17:35.280 Well, that's how people feel about the justice system right now, right? Like you look at what's

01:17:38.320 happening with Trump. It's comical. You know, they have the $350 million decision. They're

01:17:43.300 like, oh, you know what? There's interest on that. Now it's 400 because of the interest.

01:17:46.520 You have the E. Jean Carroll case. So it's just, you look at it and people are like, what justice

01:17:51.660 system? It doesn't exist in people's eyes anymore.

01:17:54.120 And that's the top. That's the judicial element of going to court.

01:17:57.740 Well, it's the beginning of the decay, right? Because once there's no justice system,

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01:19:09.980 Then you look at New York and their very extreme bail reform policies.

01:19:14.420 It doesn't matter what a court says if there's not a human being to enforce it.

01:19:18.200 So I, you know, thinking about the end of the Roman Empire and the reason I asked, was it like

01:19:23.400 a couple of guys in a room being like, we're going to stop giving the orders. We're going to stop

01:19:25.760 paying the bills. That's more of like a very quick thing. Hey, soldiers are like, we're not getting

01:19:29.680 paid anymore. We're leaving. And then you don't have soldiers versus a soldier walks up to someone

01:19:34.300 and says, I represent the empire. And they're like, no, you don't. There's no empire. Get out of my

01:19:38.100 house. So what I see here in the United States is we're, we are moving very rapidly towards the

01:19:43.280 scenario where cops going to show up to someone's house and he's going to laugh in his face. And he's

01:19:47.740 going to be like, good luck, dude. Like it's, it's wild. When you look at these videos out of,

01:19:54.060 out of grocery stores, out of malls or whatever, where people would just steal whatever they want.

01:19:59.680 And the cops are like, I can't do anything. I think it's, yeah, I think that's definitely

01:20:02.800 a narco tyranny. Uh, and just in the general sense of a certain, certain classes are allowed 0.99

01:20:08.740 to get away with behavior like that. Um, the reason why in San Francisco, you can go in and

01:20:14.180 steal, you know, under, you know, X amount of, of stuff and get away with it is because it's

01:20:19.680 predominantly certain minority groups. I disagree. I got to stop you. Okay. It's because they're 1.00

01:20:24.280 willing to, that's it. They're willing, they're, they're willing to do it. The look when, when

01:20:30.400 right now, as we mentioned earlier, Steve Baker is a journalist surrendering himself to the FBI,

01:20:34.340 right? Because he's willing to, and the people who are running in full speed,

01:20:38.780 smashing up these stores and stealing it, it's because they're willing to. And so, you know,

01:20:42.780 I've dealt with law enforcement in my life and I've seen this stuff coming for a long time.

01:20:47.060 When we have a guy, you know, in Chicago firing a gun and we call the police, they say, what do you

01:20:54.140 want me to do about it? Like you're a cop come here. No, absolutely not. But then you get a guy

01:20:58.580 who's speeding and the cop's going to be like, I will pull him over and give him a ticket. Why

01:21:01.980 path of least resistance for the law enforcement officer? Not always, but it's increasingly getting

01:21:07.580 worse. The question is why bother? Now, if you are a Steve Baker and I tell you on your knees and

01:21:13.720 you do it, it's easy. I don't got to risk anything. I don't got to fight anybody. He's doing what he's

01:21:19.200 told. So if you are your average citizen, you're not going to commit a crime. The police know that

01:21:24.980 if they want to arrest you, it will be easy, but they know that these gangs, these, these, these,

01:21:29.960 uh, various groups that are willing to do these smash and grabs, which from the videos do tend to 0.62

01:21:34.500 be one, uh, a very mostly one particular, uh, one minority group that tend to be black people.

01:21:39.840 We tend to see a mix of sometimes Hispanic. And then there was a video out of, uh, there was

01:21:44.940 home Depot where a white guy was doing it. I don't think I don't care to get into the racial

01:21:49.300 component of that. Right. Well, the reason I brought the racial component up is just because

01:21:52.740 that's, that's why they're allowed to get away with it is because you have this continue. Sorry,

01:21:57.420 but I just disagree. Yeah, no, no. I think we're kind of talking past each other. I do agree with you

01:22:01.600 that the cops will policing oftentimes is based on like what the cops like want to go do. Uh, you see that

01:22:07.760 after anytime black lives matter is like big in the news, it's called the Ferguson effect.

01:22:11.580 Some have referred to it as where, uh, cops, we have data. Cops will police less when they feel

01:22:16.580 that they're going to get in trouble for. So, so let's look at Antifa, right? They're white. 0.97

01:22:20.780 They're overwhelmingly white people and they're, and the cops don't do anything about it. It's not 1.00

01:22:25.580 because they're, they're a minority group. It's because they're willing to do it. And the cops thinking

01:22:29.440 to himself, if I walk up to this far leftists, they will throw bricks at my face. So I will not do

01:22:35.160 anything about it. Conservatives will get on their hands and knees and say, thank you, officer.

01:22:39.080 And I'll give you an example. Gavin McGinnis was speaking in New York city. Far leftists were

01:22:44.140 throwing things at people, threatening them and surrounding the blocks outside of this Republican

01:22:48.820 club. When the proud boy guys were leaving, there's this video where they're just like,

01:22:54.300 all right, let's roll. And they run at the, these, these Antifa guys in all black are literally

01:22:59.080 attacking people. And then you get proud boys who say you want to fight. We'll fight. They run at them,

01:23:04.160 get into a fight and beat the crap out of Antifa. When the police show up, Antifa says F you. And 0.99

01:23:10.720 they run full speed away. The proud boys go to the cops and say, thank you, officer. The cop smiles,

01:23:15.700 puts them in cuffs and put those guys in prison for four years. Antifa gets away with it because

01:23:20.060 the cops know they can't do anything about it. The proud boys go to prison because they are willing

01:23:24.000 to subject themselves to the rule of the police. If our society continues in this direction and we come

01:23:29.100 to the point where people on the right just say, you have no power here. Then the police cease to

01:23:33.940 function. And if there's no police, there's no government. A judge can bang the gavel all he

01:23:38.100 wants. And then people will smile and carry on. And that's what we're seeing now in places like New

01:23:41.980 York, where these, there was one viral story where a guy had been arrested something like 40 times

01:23:47.320 and they kept letting him go. And finally he, he committed some violent crime. They were most,

01:23:52.500 he committed a violent crime and laughed as he was getting arrested, saying something like,

01:23:55.540 y'all keep letting me do it. This is where it's so long as the cops are weighing the,

01:24:00.660 is it easier as a part? These are people that are turning themselves in though, right? These are

01:24:03.860 people that are turning, they are surrendering to the police and they're nevertheless being let

01:24:08.020 out. The point that I was trying to make, I don't think they're not, they're not. So like this guy in

01:24:12.480 New York was a shoplifter, turnstile jumper. Uh, and then the last thing he did was like a snatch

01:24:17.520 and grab or something, actually attacked somebody. And he laughed being like, every time I committed a

01:24:20.940 crime, they'll just let me go. They walk him in, walk him out in 16 hours. He's getting arrested.

01:24:25.280 Right. And the cops are thinking to themselves, what's the point? Because we can-

01:24:30.240 Well, and the problem is too, if they also, if they handle the situation, they're too worried,

01:24:32.800 they're going to get sued, right? So you have, it's the, the, the legal system. And, and there's,

01:24:38.100 there's so many parts of this problem, right? Because there it's, you look at this and police

01:24:41.780 should say, okay, well, this is wrong and this is right. I should do what's right. And too many of

01:24:44.520 them have said, well, you know, what's in danger for my, for my job and what's in danger for my

01:24:47.920 life, which is a problem. But then you also have like, I'm seeing ads now for police forces in my

01:24:53.040 area and I'm in a, not in a very dangerous area. Those were very desirable jobs. You had to get

01:24:56.720 on a waiting list to get on. And now they're actually advertising for jobs.

01:24:59.520 So, you know, I was, uh, when we were hanging out, we periodically go hang out at National Harbor

01:25:04.260 in DC. It's beautiful. It's, it's in Maryland, but it's just out to the DC and they got great

01:25:07.840 restaurants. There's the casino. Of course, one of the deals, the poker table said crime has gotten

01:25:12.260 really, really bad in my neighborhood. And he lives, and he was mentioning that he lives like in a

01:25:16.180 relatively nice area or did. And he said, there was a guy standing in the middle of the road,

01:25:19.620 waving a gun around just, and, and everyone just peels out trying to get a

01:25:23.020 way as this guy's just, and nothing happens. Police won't show up. What I see happening now

01:25:28.660 is I know it's really, really complicated. It's not so simple. There's a lot of nuance

01:25:32.120 when it comes to certain groups, gangs, they refuse to submit and the cop, am I going to run after

01:25:40.380 him? Nah, but most Americans aren't going to commit the crime. And then what happens is cop pulls

01:25:48.000 somebody over. Let's say, uh, you know, I've, I've been, I've been given false tickets two times.

01:25:53.960 I had a cop riding, riding my ass while I'm driving in my car to the point where I thought 0.98

01:25:58.120 he was going to hit me. So I put on my right signal, give myself a little gas to make some 0.99

01:26:02.640 space where I turn over. The moment I'm like three miles over the lights turn on. It was a cop.

01:26:07.380 He pulls me over and starts laughing saying, why would you speed when there's a cop behind you?

01:26:10.160 And I was like, you were going to hit me, dude. I was trying to move. And he's like,

01:26:13.500 tell it to a judge, throws me his bunk ass ticket. Cause he knows I will do nothing about it. 0.98

01:26:19.060 There's, there's no resistance. I will submit. Then you get these other scenarios where these

01:26:23.680 guys run around the city with guns and the cops are like, I'm not going anywhere near that.

01:26:26.200 You get New York city where Luke Redkowski, he interviews this guy, a dude with a knife

01:26:30.680 starts stabbing people. And the cops are like, I'm not getting anywhere near that. And they refuse to

01:26:34.220 intervene. This is the path we're on. And again, the reason why I ask about like,

01:26:39.500 how does the Roman empire fall? Is it eventually like, imagine if the city said, we're not going

01:26:45.340 to pay the police officers anymore. Yeah. Well then it's chaos. The cops just don't show up.

01:26:48.580 There's no authority then. So people are coming for, okay, well, who is the actual authority and

01:26:51.940 who can, who can enforce things? Right. And I think that's why you have it breaking off into

01:26:56.060 different barbarian tribes. Cause like, well, somebody's in charge. I'm going to go with that 1.00

01:26:58.840 guy. But this is my question, right? Was it where the soldiers who like, you know, you have all

01:27:03.800 these soldiers that are loyal, but they're not getting paid. So they don't enforce anything. Or was it people just

01:27:08.220 stop caring what the soldiers had to say, right? Where we are right now in the United States is we're

01:27:13.440 coming to the point where police, the word of a police officer is becoming that of a clown. They knock 0.56

01:27:18.800 on your door and you say, there's a honey, there's a clown at the door complaining, saying he wants to 0.96

01:27:23.840 lock me in a cage, ignore him. We're getting to that point. And when that happens, a judge can claim 0.77

01:27:28.660 whatever he wants. The Supreme court can say whatever he wants. The president can say whatever he wants.

01:27:32.680 But as Michael Malice says, these orders are letters to Santa were it not for the police.

01:27:37.440 More importantly, the police can do nothing if the people no longer believe in the authority of the

01:27:42.640 police. So that's again, to go back to Rome and why I asked, was it the authority, the chief of

01:27:49.340 police basically saying, guys, there's no more taxes anymore. We can't pay your salaries. You're

01:27:54.620 fired. Or was it a Roman soldier in the town being like, Hey, you listen here. I'm in charge. And

01:28:00.240 they went, no, you're not. Well, there weren't really any Roman soldiers anymore at this point.

01:28:03.040 Like, like I said, there's so many people that had died. There was, you know, this, this invasion

01:28:07.560 of Rome by, by Justinian. So there's no real Roman citizens left. And the people that are left are

01:28:12.120 just the barbarians are like, all right, I guess nobody's in charge. The barbarians were brought in 0.99

01:28:15.700 as mercenaries in part because the, of a decline in, in conscription or the auxiliary was left of the

01:28:21.180 army. So take a look at this. Comparing it to today, we've got this invasion on the Southern

01:28:25.580 border of people from various countries, including China of all places, sub-Saharan Africa, uh, flying

01:28:31.820 to Brazil and then making their way up. And we're coming to the point where we are watching these

01:28:37.680 migrants beat the crap out of police. Michael Rapoport hated Trump, but now he's losing his 0.98

01:28:42.500 mind. He's like, they've beaten up New York's finest. Imagine this unchecked for another four years.

01:28:49.340 If you get a Joe Biden and you will be in a country where the police will be clowns. The more people see 0.94

01:28:56.680 non-citizens taking whatever they want and the police just being beaten by them. Like at what 1.00

01:29:02.840 point do, do the rest of the people of New York or any other city just say, there are no police

01:29:07.840 anymore. Like there's roving gangs that just do what they want. And then what happens I see is

01:29:13.220 you take a look, what's going on in New York city. That spreads. What are you going to get?

01:29:17.880 Suburbs are going to start creating their own de facto police forces, call it militia, call 1.00

01:29:23.480 whatever you want. We saw this during the George Floyd riots. There was a car driving down the road

01:29:27.700 and there's like three dudes with ARs low ready, just standing there as the, the rioters are doing

01:29:34.300 their thing. And they're like, we're guarding our neighborhood. When it comes to the point where the

01:29:37.840 police basically just say, we can't do anything. When people believe that police are incapable and

01:29:42.580 the roving criminal alien gangs have more power. I mean, like, like this Venezuelan criminal alien 1.00

01:29:49.120 who has opened fire in Times Square and Venezuelans are rallying behind him to raise money. Like at a 0.65

01:29:54.780 certain point, American is meaningless. And you're going to say, you know, you're from Chicago, but

01:30:00.140 you're not going to say I'm, I'm from Chicago. You're not saying I'm an American. You're going to

01:30:03.260 say I'm, I'm part of the Garfield Ridge defense force. They wouldn't, nobody really calls it

01:30:08.420 Garfield Ridge and Garfield. That's where I'm from. The Midway, they call it. But what's going to

01:30:11.940 happen is a bunch of families going to come together and say the cops aren't like we're

01:30:15.120 getting people raiding our stores. The cops won't do anything about it. We have to. There's a viral

01:30:20.240 video right now. We showed you the other night where a guy is stealing from a Home Depot and a

01:30:25.860 bunch of got people just garbage are beating the crap out of them. Like we're getting to that point 0.94

01:30:29.560 where it's like the police will do nothing. I don't care anymore. And the joke we made was how

01:30:34.280 much you want to bet when the cops showed up, they arrested the shoppers who stopped the thief

01:30:38.160 instead of the thief because they assaulted the thief. Well, that's what I was going to say.

01:30:40.640 Like, look at what happened with Daniel Penney in New York is like, it's like people see that.

01:30:43.580 And like the person that actually does something is the person that then has to defend themselves

01:30:47.020 and could possibly lose their freedom for actually handling a situation. And this is where you combine

01:30:52.640 police being beaten by criminal aliens who are being given luxury hotels and being brought in 0.99

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01:32:11.940 just roving gangs. At what point do we get to? When do we get to the point where let's say there's

01:32:17.960 a guy in New York waving a gun around like this Venezuelan criminal alien shoot someone and then 1.00

01:32:22.780 someone else in New York just tackles him, fight and sues, and he kills the criminal alien. 0.92

01:32:27.880 The police show up and they say something like you're under arrest for murder, but then other 0.98

01:32:34.200 citizens pull out crowbars and baseball bats and say, back the F off. I think we could get there

01:32:40.280 eventually. I think that we're, I don't know how close we are to that. And the reason why is because

01:32:44.220 I do think it is a narco tyranny. I do think it's, I brought up the, the minority shoplifters. You said 1.00

01:32:48.960 white Antifa also, you know, get away with this. Both of those are client groups for the people in

01:32:53.780 power. So it's not like, yeah, if you're non-white, you can get away with anything, right? If you're 1.00

01:32:57.240 non-white at January 6th, they're going to throw the book at you. Sure. Um, but I do think a lot 1.00

01:33:01.140 of the chaos that we see is, is allowed to happen. It's, it's not that our ruling class is trying to

01:33:05.940 maintain order. It's that certain classes that are aligned, that are clients of the people in power

01:33:10.760 are getting, getting away with quite a bit. And I think that, I think that if, uh, somewhat like,

01:33:15.980 you know, you tried to just say no to the cops and say, we've got our community defense system.

01:33:20.300 I think they would still Waco you. I think we're still at that point now.

01:33:23.380 On a long enough timeline. Yeah. Maybe we move away. And I think I'm, I'm, I'm saying we're

01:33:28.240 entering this point where you watch a video of, uh, illegal immigrants beating cops, right? And 0.67

01:33:33.800 then they get released immediately by the system. The system is broken. Sure. Sure. But if the people

01:33:39.380 in this room went up and beat up a cop saying we would never do this, of course, a like a female, 1.00

01:33:44.700 like minority police, let's make, let's make the cop trans just for added effect. Uh, that would have a 1.00

01:33:49.380 very different effect. We would not be allowed to, to have that happen. And it's because the ruling

01:33:52.900 class has different standards and different rules and expectations for, for different groups. But

01:33:58.340 I do think that we, it's not inconceivable that we're heading in that direction. And the point

01:34:02.740 that you're bringing up is just kind of a decline in the ability of, of, you know, a central government

01:34:08.240 to maintain order and to have this kind of monopoly on force. But it's, that's a reasonable thing to,

01:34:13.680 to like, you know, maybe a hundred years from now to say.

01:34:15.380 Well, it's a loss and agreed upon reality. Like there is no agreed upon reality right now. You

01:34:19.080 have, you have two parties running two different countries. You got a stink bug on your mic.

01:34:22.300 Oh, nice. You have, you have, you have two parties running two different countries. You have,

01:34:26.520 you have, you know, one party trying to run a republic and you have another party trying

01:34:29.820 to run a multicultural democracy. And those two things do not agree. Let's, let's break down 0.99

01:34:33.180 what you said though, that there's one political faction that certainly is, is, is ignored or allowed

01:34:37.960 to do these things. And, uh, you know, I mentioned Antifa. These are, they're, they're mostly white 1.00

01:34:42.000 people. I mean, overwhelmingly white client group. And so why is it then that the police

01:34:47.020 back off? They allow these things to happen. Take a look at DC, January 20th, 2017, several

01:34:53.080 hundred far left extremists, mostly white people smashing up DC, smashing windows, setting fires, 0.92

01:34:58.260 torching vehicles. And not only were they acquitted, they were paid out by the city to the tune of a 0.91

01:35:03.980 million plus something dollars. The reason is the political forces in these places know their power

01:35:10.260 is derived from these masses. And if they oppose them, they will lose political power.

01:35:15.840 They know that by opposing the more libertarian post liberal or conservative faction, they will

01:35:21.740 be empowered. So these are the, so eventually the point I'm bringing up is the true power base

01:35:27.780 of the police is the taxpayer, not the far left, but the far left wields media power and influence

01:35:33.940 and taxpayers are footing the bill. Now you've got in places like Boston, these wealthy elites

01:35:39.120 panicking because they're bringing criminal aliens into their neighborhood. And they're like, why?

01:35:43.060 Well, you voted for it. Sooner or later, the true power base, the taxpayer, literally the rabble,

01:35:50.060 the people who do the work to support the system say no. When the far left is allowed to commit crimes

01:35:55.320 and get away with it. When they bring in criminal aliens into the neighborhood of the wealthy elites,

01:36:00.200 the wealthy elites start to recoil and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and then something interesting

01:36:05.900 will happen when regular working people, normies who don't pay attention to stuff and don't care,

01:36:10.440 feel like the police are not doing their job. What, what we're seeing right now, I'll put it this way.

01:36:17.120 When judges let Antifa go and then prosecute the most minor offenses from January 6th,

01:36:24.840 law enforcement confidence is shattered in half. Already people on the right have been screaming to

01:36:29.580 the high heavens, two tiered justice system. What happens when these people outright just say it's

01:36:35.280 no longer an issue of justice. It's an issue of criminality. And when a police officer shows up

01:36:40.880 to enforce something that is clearly not a crime, or I mean, this is, this is the issue right now.

01:36:45.780 Steve Baker is, is, is, is the name to know a journalist friends with a bunch of journalists

01:36:51.240 hanging out with a bunch of journalists with a, like one guy, it's not the first time this happened.

01:36:56.840 And one guy was a local camera operator from a camera where he was from with a large network

01:37:02.820 camera filming in the Capitol. He thought he had this big breaking story. He's like, I got all the

01:37:07.800 footage. His newsroom was super excited. And as soon as he got home, none of the newsroom people

01:37:13.120 would answer his phone. He, they wouldn't respond to emails. And then the police surround his house

01:37:17.540 and arrest him as some, as an insurrectionist. And they charge him quite literally a journalist.

01:37:22.780 Now it's happened to Steve Baker. Already people know what we're seeing with the FBI is not law

01:37:29.800 enforcement. It is crime with the CBP. Dr. Phil does this story of all people. It was funny when

01:37:35.940 I tell people like you hear Dr. Phil say that CBP is facilitating child sex trafficking. They're like,

01:37:39.900 wait, wait, like Dr. Phil, Dr. Phil, I'm like Dr. Phil from Oprah did an interview on Rogan and the

01:37:46.120 view where he said the head of the CBP union said it is absolute that they are facilitating child

01:37:51.760 sex trafficking and they know it. Like at a certain point there, you know, I looked at the

01:37:58.540 founding fathers. Everybody taught, you know, there's this meme of George Washington and it says

01:38:03.820 me and the homies would have been stacking bodies by now. Wrong. You read about the American 1.00

01:38:08.420 revolution. It was a year and one month into the revolutionary war and the founding fathers were

01:38:14.260 still trying to petition the crown. That's amazing. They were like, please, please stop killing us.

01:38:19.160 Please stop shooting at us. And then a year and a month later, they said, okay, that's it.

01:38:22.680 For these reasons, we're going to declare independence. Lexington and Concord happened

01:38:26.540 a year before the declaration of independence. So no, the founding fathers were not stacking

01:38:30.200 bodies. They were begging it to stop. Well, I think that's when you look historically,

01:38:34.000 that's one of the major areas people mess up. They're like, oh, you know, this is the time when

01:38:37.660 it all ended, right? You look at 1776, we have the declaration of independence, but we don't have a

01:38:42.220 president until 1790. So it's like, it's, it's a very, and even leading up to that.

01:38:45.980 Constitution until what? 89? Yeah. So you look at that and it's like, you have a long,

01:38:49.760 it's to even get to 1776, you had a 20 or 30 year period. And I think people look on history and

01:38:55.120 it's, it's interesting now because you look at it with even world war one, right? People say

01:38:58.620 Franz Ferdinand was shot on this date and that's what caused it. Well, you don't know that until

01:39:02.340 you're way in the future and you've been able to write about history. And I think if you look at it

01:39:05.360 now, are we in the period people are going to write about? Have we passed it? Are we, we don't know

01:39:11.580 that. We actually don't know that. When looking at this, you know, Steve Baker stuff and the other

01:39:16.380 journalists who have been targeted with, I don't view this as law enforcement. I view, certainly

01:39:22.780 you can argue the rioters on January 6th, people actually fighting cops and smashing things. Well,

01:39:26.060 yeah, you get charged for that. It's a crime. Everyone agrees. And then as for the journalist,

01:39:30.960 this is an FBI agent just kidnapping somebody. That's just kidnapping. It's not law enforcement.

01:39:38.600 You like a guy who, who films something and then provides it to news organizations works as an,

01:39:43.800 he's clearly not intending to break into a building to overturn an election. They're lying.

01:39:49.180 And the Capitol building is public. So journalists should be covering this. They're targeting innocent

01:39:54.300 people. We're getting to that point where it's like, if I saw a clown walk up to a journalist and

01:39:59.900 put him in cuffs, I would be like, Hey, what is this clown doing? You're attacking a guy. It's not a law 0.98

01:40:05.420 enforcement agent. And so much with like the revolutionary war could, could January 6th be

01:40:11.760 a shot heard around the world type moment. The shot heard around the world in the revolutionary

01:40:15.780 war refers to Lexington and Concord. The crown is a long history that results in this. The Boston

01:40:21.640 Tea Party results in the, uh, the intolerable acts, which results in colonial government, basically,

01:40:26.620 uh, forming its own, like set the crown basically says, we're in charge. Colonists are like, no,

01:40:31.660 we're going to form our own de facto government outside the city. People are armed to the teeth.

01:40:35.240 The crown says, surrender your weapons. They say, no, the crown tries to march on Lexington and

01:40:38.700 Concord. At some point, someone opens fire and you get the shot heard around the world moment.

01:40:43.140 But there was no revolutionary war at the time it happened. They're like, wow, did you hear some,

01:40:47.420 some, some regulars were getting shot at and shot back and killed some people. That's all it was

01:40:50.920 a year later, a year and a month later. Cause even at the time, you know, Ben Franklin's going over

01:40:56.700 there and he's being like, guys, come on. And you get letters being written, petitioning,

01:41:00.720 petitioning, petitioning. And then a year and one month later, they're like, and there it is.

01:41:04.700 There's the declaration of independence. They did not know. So now we look back at it. We say the

01:41:09.680 start of the revolutionary war was the shot heard around the world at Lexington and Concord.

01:41:13.620 Not at the time battle of Fort Sumter. They, this is, this is what we call as the start of the civil war.

01:41:20.660 But then you have the first battle of bull run where citizens, civilians gathered around

01:41:25.180 thinking there would not be a civil war. Despite the fact, historically, we say it already started,

01:41:28.660 already started. They had no idea. And it was bedlam.

01:41:31.120 Well, you even look at like the transition from, you know, the Roman Republic to the Roman Empire,

01:41:35.540 like it wouldn't have, their day to day wouldn't have changed that much. Like people still saw it

01:41:39.800 as a functioning Republic. They're just like kind of this new guy in this new weird job and he's here

01:41:43.620 and he's kind of doing stuff, but he kept everything intact. So we look at it now and we say,

01:41:47.980 oh, that's when the empire started for people living in that time period. It really wasn't any

01:41:52.000 different. It was just a guy that brought them stability.

01:41:53.600 I think there's a possibility depending on, you know, who wins in the future. We look back at 2020

01:41:59.440 as this, this insane period. If, if the Trumpian faction or whatever you want to call it, you know,

01:42:08.260 wins and, uh, arrests people, holds people accountable. These things happen. The history

01:42:14.000 of books will write that a coup was staged. The election was stolen, all that stuff. And they'll

01:42:19.360 write about the corruption of the democratic party, how they began arresting journalists and

01:42:24.360 opposition. And it was abject corruption. If Trump loses, they will write the inverse that a coup,

01:42:31.700 a coup was attempted by a dictatorial fascist, you know, who, who rallied his troops, exactly everything

01:42:37.840 Chris Hayes said. So it really does just come down to which side holds the seat of legitimacy.

01:42:43.320 Yes. The only thing that matters in the end, what do people believe? And if the average person

01:42:49.780 truly fears that the power of government rests in the hands of Trump, Trump can write what he wants.

01:42:55.720 If they feel that it rests in the hands of the FBI, then the Democrats, the FBI by, I don't, I don't say

01:43:01.340 Biden because he's not going to write anything, but that's what will happen. I feel like we're getting

01:43:05.940 to the point where the uniparty establishment, the elites, whatever you want to call it,

01:43:10.500 they're losing and it's their own fault because they refuse to operate as a legitimate law

01:43:15.900 enforcement apparatus. So long as they arrest journalists, they have basically ended their

01:43:20.820 legitimacy and we're getting dangerously close to the point where an FBI guy's going to knock on a

01:43:25.320 door and the guy's going to say, no, he's going to say, you are not law enforcement. You're a criminal

01:43:29.480 gang and I won't listen to it. And then the issue becomes if 10 people in the country defy federal 0.80

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01:43:43.240 begins to lose the ability to police. If a thousand, then you're getting to the point where people will

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01:45:13.860 Visit ConnexOntario.ca. There's an overwhelming force coming from the federal government. With them

01:45:19.380 arresting journalists, they are inching themselves to the point, and perhaps on purpose, where sooner

01:45:25.000 or later there will be an FBI SUV, a couple of them, trying to drive into a small rural town in

01:45:30.740 Oklahoma to serve a warrant. And there's going to be four guys with ARs and a checkpoint. And

01:45:36.420 they're going to say, hold up there. And they're going to say, howdy, show me your papers. And they're

01:45:39.920 going to be like, we're FBI. We have a warrant. That means nothing here. Turn around. Get out. And

01:45:44.600 they're going to say, you can't say that to us. And like the hell we can. This is our town. You mean

01:45:48.040 nothing here. That's the dangerous point we get to. Now, a lot of people might be saying like,

01:45:52.400 that'll never happen. That's scary. How could that happen? Take a look at the NYPD being beaten

01:45:57.800 by criminal aliens. Take a look at the lawlessness we've already seen. Take a look at January 20th,

01:46:03.140 2017. Hundreds of people smashing windows, setting fires, and the city was forced to pay them. Take a

01:46:08.540 look at the George Floyd riots. Where's the some accountability for sure? For the most part,

01:46:13.220 thousands of people firebombed the White House, firebombed St. John's Church. The president's

01:46:17.280 forced into a bunker. Zero accountability. You get nothing. We're already at the gates of this,

01:46:23.560 where federal law enforcement is struggling to deal with leftists. Take a look at the, I mean,

01:46:29.140 look, guys, Chaz, Seattle, far left extremist took over several city blocks and firebombed the

01:46:36.860 federal building for 90 plus days. Yeah. The feds were- You had like a rapper who became a warlord or

01:46:42.620 something. It was such a bizarre chapter of- You had people shot and killed and the feds could do

01:46:48.060 nothing. Yeah. They could do nothing. They deployed additional law enforcement to the

01:46:52.440 federal building and they were incompetent and incapable. They were impotent. And it happened 0.98

01:46:56.980 George Floyd, George Floyd Square, they called it in Minneapolis. It happened in Atlanta. Now look

01:47:01.500 at Stop Cop City. The feds aren't even trying to deal with a hundred plus terrorists. It's state

01:47:06.800 level. The federal law enforcement apparatus is shattering. And the only reason it's functioning

01:47:11.860 right now, January 6th is because the J6 defenders are apologizing. They're capitulating and they're

01:47:18.760 saying, you win, I'm sorry. But if we get to the point where they eventually say, you guys are

01:47:23.840 arresting journalists. You're not legitimate law enforcement. Then the FBI can do nothing but act

01:47:27.760 as a gang, no different than the vice lords in Chicago. But here's the difference though, right?

01:47:32.020 And I think here's the one thing, like, and I know Ian, you're big about talking about internet

01:47:35.780 video. And I think if you look at it, the fact that we all know about that is important because

01:47:41.180 in history, people would not have known about it until well after it was over. And I think if you

01:47:45.440 look at the rise of new media, you look at, you know, the rise of podcasts, why did they want to

01:47:49.000 take out Joe Rogan so bad? Because all he was doing was facilitating conversations you were not

01:47:53.360 supposed to have. So people can see these things are happening. They can experience them.

01:47:57.840 They're seeing their, you know, like you even watched during the presidential run, DeSantis couldn't sit

01:48:01.700 down and have a conversation with anybody on a podcast. And you look at that and you actually

01:48:06.820 get to see who these people are, how they think, what's happening, what's occurring. And you're

01:48:10.620 giving enough people an ability to make a decision. And I think that's how things actually change.

01:48:14.440 That's why I'm very hopeful about where we are now. I know things don't look great,

01:48:17.680 but I think the more you show people what's actually happening, when it's actually happening,

01:48:21.740 not this happened 10 years ago and that this is where we're at. That's how the tides of change happen.

01:48:25.760 Yeah. The feds not enforcing some of this stuff is interesting because you, like you were saying,

01:48:29.700 cop city, they could do nothing, but technically they could have surrounded the place with siege

01:48:34.640 tanks. They just didn't. And so the question is, is an impotent federal armed force worse than like

01:48:41.160 a robot force, a force of drones that don't have emotions that will not stop? Like those things

01:48:48.160 could be more dangerous, but they'd be more likely to enforce and they're not going to be afraid to run

01:48:53.900 at a guy that's opening fire in a crowd. Thousands of people in DC were involved in the firebombing of the

01:48:59.440 White House and St. John's church. Where, where are the feds and the Capitol police to set up

01:49:05.460 offices around the country to hunt those people down and bring them to justice? January 6th has it,

01:49:10.060 but they don't. This is the point in order to, to save this country, there needs to be a

01:49:17.900 like resurgence of law enforcement. If Donald Trump gets arrested, perhaps he can then start a task

01:49:24.320 force to balance out the, the, the law enforcement apparatus. But so long as we're seeing opposition

01:49:32.240 journalists get arrested and forced to surrender by the FBI, while the far left extremists who are

01:49:36.800 firebombing government buildings, nothing happens to them. Like we are dangerously close to people in 0.95

01:49:43.140 this country. Just saying what country?

01:49:45.340 Well, I think even as well, like I'm, I'm, I'm sure you guys had this experience too. Like I have,

01:49:48.980 I'm, I'm more right of center, but I have a lot of friends that are left of center and even further

01:49:52.980 left than that. And there's become this righteous indignation of what they've lived through the last

01:49:57.940 few years and what they've seen. And we're all on the same side of the fence now. And I think

01:50:01.820 that's the interesting thing is people have been forced to look at this long enough and forced to

01:50:06.040 experience it long enough. And people are saying, this isn't right. This isn't how it works. We need

01:50:10.140 to do something about this. And I do think that it brings people to a point of like, that's how change

01:50:14.760 happens. You bring people to a point of where change is needed.

01:50:16.820 There's a video from the Syrian civil war of a guy carrying a grocery bag through rubble.

01:50:22.660 And I think it's important for people to realize that when great wars happen, day-to-day life stays

01:50:27.580 routine for the average person. They wake up, they go get food, they come home, they talk to their

01:50:33.980 family. The average person is not holding rifles out windows or fighting in the streets.

01:50:38.980 So if you know what we're seeing right now in this country, many people think civil war can't

01:50:45.020 happen. World War III can't happen. It literally could be happening right now, as we were mentioning

01:50:50.040 before. The history books may look back on January 6th as the moment it all began. The crossing of the

01:50:57.740 Rubicon may have been January 6th, depending on who writes about what.

01:51:00.540 I like the Federal Reserve. I mean, I don't like the Federal Reserve, but I like the theory that

01:51:04.780 the creation of the Federal Reserve was the Rubicon, the moment. It was a digital coup this time.

01:51:10.680 They didn't have to do it with military force. They bought the country out and did a paperwork. 0.59

01:51:13.520 Well, war has changed though, right? War has become, I know General Mike Flynn's talked

01:51:17.560 about a lot more how war has become psychological now. And I think that's the difference is war

01:51:21.980 isn't as kinetic as it used to be. You know, now we experience war every single day.

01:51:26.500 Yeah, that term war is very vague.

01:51:29.700 Control. I mean, it's really about control. I think war is about control, whether it's controlling 0.72

01:51:34.020 someone else's behavior or controlling resources. But if you can just control their minds,

01:51:39.340 then you don't need to fight them.

01:51:41.120 How much does it make Alex Jones look prophetic now? You know, he's been talking about for 30

01:51:44.920 years as a war on for your mind.

01:51:46.140 I wonder about if he, the difference between prophesying and actually just guiding society

01:51:51.340 towards a thing. Because when I first learned Alex's stuff, I was like, why does he call it

01:51:55.160 info war? Is he trying to manifest a war? Or is he actually just set explaining that there is a war?

01:52:00.800 It took me a while to kind of appreciate that. That, I don't know what you call it. Negative,

01:52:05.700 negative manifest, like saying things are bad. Things are bad. Cause then I feel like things

01:52:10.600 get bad. And if little kids hear that and they're like, things are bad. Okay. Then I'm going to live

01:52:14.200 like things are bad. I'm going to steal and take, take what I get. Cause things are bad anyway. So

01:52:18.160 you really want to say that things are good, point out the problems, but then, cause even in war,

01:52:22.940 you need to inspire people and remind them that things are good. Like you were just saying, Tim,

01:52:27.540 life goes on. You can't like, if you talk about how bad stuff is, you're just going to,

01:52:32.340 not only is shit going to fall apart around you, people will turn on you. Like you've got to, 0.75

01:52:36.920 you've got to manifest a positive potential future. But if your kitchen's on fire and someone's

01:52:43.060 like, Hey, I'm concerned about the kitchen, the fire, the kitchen fire. And you're like,

01:52:46.880 come on, man, don't, don't drag me down. I'm trying to watch. Yeah. Don't do that. You put

01:52:50.260 the fire out immediately, but then afterwards, don't cry about it every day. Oh, there's a fire.

01:52:54.840 There's a fire. There's going to be more fires. Oh no. Let's get out of that state of mind.

01:52:58.380 It's a balance between awareness, right? Understanding something is happening and handling a

01:53:01.400 situation and then putting your, all your attention on that situation all the time, right? Like we've

01:53:04.880 got to create good stuff. We've got to create better stuff. Like, I think it's more important

01:53:07.920 than ever for people to start businesses. And I know like we're homeschooling our kids,

01:53:11.560 like doing things like that. Like if we don't handle those things and we don't take responsibility

01:53:16.420 in our own sphere, like we are letting those things happen. I suppose the best course of action

01:53:24.340 right now, the, the, uh, highest probability of survival and stability is Trump getting elected,

01:53:31.160 a new AG coming in the arrest of the uniparty corrupt to our, who have been selling out this 0.66

01:53:37.980 country. The tar, like, I mean, look at Fannie Willis. We call her Fannie Willis. Look at judge 1.00

01:53:44.400 Engeron. I mean, these people are abject corruption. Engeron represents the fall of this Republic in so 0.71

01:53:51.280 many ways. It's not, uh, Trump was found guilty of fraud in a summary judgment by the judge. No

01:53:57.060 trial, none. Just bang the gavel and said, okay, let's figure out how much money you owe us. Trump.

01:54:01.920 The alleged, uh, victims, not really victims said they loved it. Trump did everything right. He did

01:54:06.980 everything normal and they all made money and they'd like to work with Trump in the future. He said,

01:54:10.020 don't care your victims. And now Trump pays who? And then Trump tried to, Trump said, okay,

01:54:15.800 I'll give a hundred million dollar bond. And he said, no, we want all of it. The amount of money

01:54:19.240 they're demanding from Trump just happens to be the amount of money he has in cash.

01:54:22.060 They're trying to shut down a political campaign with lawfare. I look right now,

01:54:30.680 if the Democrats win in November, I do not think it's hyperbolic to say it is the end of the American

01:54:37.000 Republic and the beginning of the American empire. In that sense that we now have rule by a, uh, a shadow,

01:54:45.020 you know, I say shadow government. It's, we know they're the deep state. We know they're the

01:54:48.360 intelligence agencies. We don't know their names. We don't know who's doing what.

01:54:53.100 I think the Republic ceased to exist in 1913. And I think we've had a bunch of puppet guys since

01:54:58.880 then, you know, I think, and it's just the latest puppet in a line of puppets. And

01:55:01.700 eventually the people that are in power will let us know, Hey, we're in power and we're going to get

01:55:05.160 rid of the puppets.

01:55:05.760 Yeah. Kennedy getting killed. That's a big problem. Darth Vader. Like we've, we've been 0.99

01:55:10.720 being led by the, what do you call it? The principate by the, by the, uh, Praetorian guard,

01:55:16.320 the deep state for the FBI and then, and the DOJ are like the new Praetorian guard. Uh,

01:55:21.240 yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Praetorian. Praetorian. There we go. Praetorian. I was going to say

01:55:26.200 proletarian. That's a little, little marks there, but it seems like it's this inevitable swing to

01:55:31.320 global government right now that like, this would be like the new empire would be like a global

01:55:35.880 empire. And they'll, they'll detach the military industrial complex from government. So that's

01:55:40.500 unaccountable. And then they'll be like, you're cops are so bad. You want our robot cops. Don't

01:55:45.280 you? And people be like, yes, we want some order. Give us anything. They're like, let us fly drones

01:55:49.640 over your house. That's actually, uh, that new movie just came out on Netflix code eight part two.

01:55:54.460 You guys see that one? Uh, I don't know. So in the first, the movie is basically small percentage

01:55:59.440 of the population of superpowers, but they're oppressed because it's like, it's illegal to

01:56:03.000 use the powers. You can't do that. And they have robot police that have guns and kill people in part

01:56:08.600 two. The people are upset over it. So they're like, okay, okay, we'll give you the non-lethal

01:56:12.960 dog robots instead. And so then they have drones and dogs instead because people are like, oh,

01:56:17.300 the cops are so bad. So basically just, they just mask it, mass produce it. I don't want to give away

01:56:23.080 parts of the movie though, but that's the idea. Make them beg for their servitude. 1.00

01:56:26.760 If you even look at like how Augustus got power, right? Like he said, uh, I'm going to leave.

01:56:30.840 I'm not going to be dictator for, for life anymore. And they said, no, no, please give us

01:56:33.720 stability, right? People will beg for stability and they'll sacrifice their security in order

01:56:37.480 to get it. That could be, that could be Trump. That's the story from Augustus. I hope not,

01:56:41.160 but yeah. Like, could it be possible that he was lying and that he just seized power?

01:56:43.920 Well, yeah, because he, he paid for the history to be written. So as far as we know, you know,

01:56:47.600 he, he actually had an official scribe that wrote all the histories from, from 43 to 17.

01:56:51.260 So here's the challenge. If the parent probabilities are the corruption of the deep state and the

01:56:59.300 Praetorian guard or a self-proclaimed dictator or pseudo foe, but self-proclaimed dictator,

01:57:07.760 what do you, what, what, what's your choice? Right? So, you know, I say, what if Trump

01:57:11.460 really does it like Rachel Maddow loses her mind. It's like, he will be president for life.

01:57:15.900 Sure. If, what if Donald Trump gets in and then he's like, we need law and order in this country.

01:57:22.620 We need mass deportation. He begins deporting the millions of criminal aliens. People begin 0.98

01:57:27.680 cheering for it. And then three and a half years later, he's like, well, that's about doing that.

01:57:32.380 That does it for me. And then people rise up in the street saying, no, no, no, no, no, no,

01:57:35.260 amend the constitution. Let Trump stay, let him remain. And then Trump says, I'll do it if you want

01:57:40.060 me to. And he'll be very old by then. Well, I think that's the thing that serves us is his age is

01:57:44.660 actually very beneficial, right? He could not, he could be dictator for life and it could be four

01:57:49.160 years. Yeah. But, uh, my, I guess philosophically, morally speaking, if Trump begins to enforce the

01:57:57.200 law, the economy improves, the border is becoming secure. Wars are fading. Would you say, no, no,

01:58:03.220 it's bad because he's being dictatorial. So we should go back to the Praetorian guard system.

01:58:08.140 Or would you be like, I, I, I accept it. If the choice is a Trump or the deep state, I'm going with,

01:58:14.000 I'm going with Trump president for life. Definitely. But that's the challenge, right?

01:58:17.640 Cause it's not a good thing, but what are you supposed to do? Trump is good. I like Trump.

01:58:22.640 I think Trump will be a good president. Yeah. But the departure from representative government

01:58:25.860 into something wildly different, right? That's the turd sandwich. Yeah. It's that,

01:58:30.400 that would be pretty wild, but, uh, we need some kind of regime change, peaceful. We need a change in

01:58:34.920 power structures and whether that's, you know, the Trump becomes dictator scenario or another one,

01:58:40.700 uh, it's remains to be seen. Um, what you were saying, there has to be some kind of change.

01:58:46.000 Yeah. The decentralization of military authority. I'm not sure which emperor you said, did that

01:58:49.640 went into the empire and was like, in order to stop getting attacked in the camp. Oh, Diocletian. 1.00

01:58:53.900 Diocletian. So this decentralization of authority is kind of a way that we can preserve 0.72

01:58:58.920 or alter our system. We already have that. We've just federalized too much. That's the problem.

01:59:03.240 We've taken power away from the States and we've gone directly to a federal system.

01:59:07.380 Yeah. And technology too, too much is in centralized databases with a proprietary algorithms that we

01:59:12.960 don't have access to. So that's gotta, those need to be decentralized in my opinion, in order to

01:59:18.000 fight against this corruption, this centralized corruption. You know, it'd be really funny if

01:59:20.900 like Trump, Trump gets elected and there's like a little bit of reform, but it's kind of still kind

01:59:25.780 of bad. And then some Democrat comes in and wins in 2028 and then things are getting worse and worse.

01:59:31.420 And then you get a couple of Republicans. And then after, you know, 15 or so years, or I think

01:59:37.040 2020 years, Baron Trump becomes the self-proclaimed dictator. It's like eight foot tall. He's like,

01:59:43.820 he's almost seven feet tall. And then the country's in disarray. It's not working. There's a lot of

01:59:50.280 fighting. And then, you know, he becomes 35. He decided, I don't know how old he'll be when he'll

01:59:54.900 first be eligible to run when the first election will be, but then he runs and then he declares

01:59:58.980 himself and it was Baron the whole time. Not Donald. Donald means Harold. Donald Trump means

02:00:04.940 Harold of the world ruler. That's right. Oh, it was Baron all along. It's that book from like the

02:00:11.660 turn of the century. Yeah. So Donald is Scottish. Origin is world ruler. And Trump is the means

02:00:18.640 literally the trumpet sound. And so it is the trumpet sound of the world ruler. But does that

02:00:23.560 mean that Donald Trump represents the sound of the world ruler, meaning he is heralding in the

02:00:29.700 world ruler and Baron, meaning quite literally the Baron is actually. And because Don Jr. will come

02:00:35.940 in and he'll be like, you'll be like, is it Don Jr.? Like, no, I'm still the herald. I'm still heralding

02:00:40.020 because it's the same name. Just means that wild. This is not a joke. Donald Trump means it means the

02:00:46.160 trumpet sound of the world ruler or the world. You could argue it means the world ruler's trumpet

02:00:51.740 sound. It's a funny skit because I could imagine Trump being like, and the next greatest ruler of

02:00:56.480 it. And then Don Jr. walks in and was like, yeah. He's like, no, no, it's not me. The next greatest

02:01:00.140 ruler is. So what does Donald mean? My son is tremendously big. It's Gaelic from Dumno, meaning

02:01:06.980 world and vol, meaning rule. Dom Hall was the original Scottish name, which became Donald. It means ruler

02:01:13.780 of the world. When we find out that Baron has been undergoing like CRISPR tech in China and he

02:01:19.920 speaks fluent Mandarin and he's like, I will unify this planet. I'm going to be like, all right,

02:01:23.820 Baron, I got your back. I think it goes back to though, getting back to a Republican form of

02:01:28.560 government. I think that's really what we've gotten so far away from that because you look at even the

02:01:32.200 U.S. Senate serves no purpose. It serves no purpose. We have two Congresses because they're both

02:01:37.660 elected the same way and state legislatures don't have a say in anything anymore. State legislatures is 0.97

02:01:43.020 actually what would have been able to fix 2020 because they would have had a say to the Senate,

02:01:47.180 but instead we just have two Congresses. There serves no purpose.

02:01:51.540 I think that they stopped the mob from making decisions, but I guess either house could do that.

02:01:57.720 The house could do that or the Senate. Yeah. 0.90

02:01:59.700 Either chamber could do that. It could do that. And if you look at the 17th Amendment,

02:02:03.580 they did it for a good reason. What was happening was people were taking their political friends

02:02:08.580 since the state legislature was electing the senators and putting their friends in those

02:02:13.160 positions. But I think you figure out how to reform that. You don't get rid of it altogether

02:02:17.200 because it doesn't serve a purpose. Otherwise, the state legislature has no representation and you

02:02:22.900 really just have two Congresses then because they're voted for the same way.

02:02:25.440 A big problem with the Republic is that the guys, the people up there aren't representing

02:02:30.680 their constituents properly. It's impossible.

02:02:32.940 We need term limits. We need some sort of a term limit. 0.97

02:02:34.800 And also it's just physically impossible for one guy to represent five guys or 700,000. You can't

02:02:42.360 realistically represent those people.

02:02:44.100 Well, one of the things George Washington wanted is he wanted a much larger representation side for

02:02:48.520 Congress. So there would have been substantially more people in Congress. And imagine that many

02:02:52.760 people are there. They wouldn't agree on anything. That would be great. And if you look at the

02:02:57.320 Corsus Sonorum in Rome, so that's like the series of things you would go through to actually run

02:03:01.680 the city and run the country, they had term limits. You served for a year and then they

02:03:05.720 replaced you. And then it was several years before you could hold another position. I think

02:03:10.020 that's actually really important. And a lot of those people were landholders and they had

02:03:13.280 careers and they were in the Senate. And I think that is something that we don't have. We don't

02:03:18.500 have a better term limit system. Term limit on the people in the jobs, but also the people that

02:03:22.880 work for them. Senate staffers and congressional staffers, they're the same people that just cycle

02:03:26.920 over, man. Did the Romans have a deep state? The Praetorian Guard later on, you know, early on,

02:03:32.760 no, but the Praetorian Guard later. But in the beginning they didn't, it was literally the

02:03:36.540 senators were the ones making the decisions and running. Well, the senators, senators didn't

02:03:40.820 actually, so they would, the Roman Senate would make recommendations. And then the people that were

02:03:45.640 actually in positions would later implement that. It was typical when the Senate said, we recommend

02:03:50.300 this, it would be through a decree that it would be put into actual usage. But the Senate didn't

02:03:56.020 actually put anything into motion. They just recommended things. Oh, so technically they

02:04:00.340 had no power. Right. Cause Senate comes from the Latin meaning cenex, which means old man.

02:04:05.000 So it was supposed to be the oldest and wisest men basically giving their advice to the city.

02:04:08.200 Oh, what council of elders. Yes. It actually comes from, um, the, the Senate were the advisors

02:04:14.000 to the Kings of Rome. So it was something that actually had stayed from the original Roman

02:04:17.420 kingdom. Okay. That's interesting. I was just looking up name origins. Drumph is not a real

02:04:24.060 word I've learned. Uh, John Oliver made it up. Really? However, German officials do confirm

02:04:28.520 a long, long, long time ago. It was a surname, but it, the general consensus seems to be that

02:04:33.180 it literally just means Trump. It's the same thing. And you know, that's about it. So Trump

02:04:38.700 literally is the Trump of a trumpet, you know, and Donald means ruler of the world. Baron means

02:04:44.440 noble man or warrior. So it does really seem like Donald Trump is the dude. Like if, if,

02:04:52.060 if he was to be, it's not going to be his son. It's going to be him. But you know,

02:04:55.580 I think it's also kind of silly. Uh, with that being said, my name means one who honors God

02:05:00.360 and is judged by him. Wow. Yeah. What does, what does Paul Ryan mean? Slimy man?

02:05:06.260 Yeah. I don't know. Let's find out.

02:05:10.840 How are you looking these up by the way? I just Googled it.

02:05:12.900 The name Paul means humble. Oh.

02:05:18.760 And Ryan means little King. Humble little King. Humble little King.

02:05:24.080 I'll go with Timothy Daniel. One who honors God and is by judge by,

02:05:27.460 and is judged by him is, is not so bad. I don't know his, I don't know his middle name though.

02:05:32.820 Pool just literally means like literally pool. No, my middle name is Ryan. I guess it makes me

02:05:36.760 little King. Little King. I think my last name has something to do with where they crucified.

02:05:42.600 Ian means God is gracious. It does all the Mormons. It's means John. It's like Scottish for John.

02:05:48.700 John. And Crossland means newly cultivated land. Oh, okay. Huh. So it's a God is gracious,

02:05:57.660 newly cultivated land. I should start a farm. Cultivate, grow some pineapples.

02:06:05.280 That's kind of wild. Like somebody, like someone in your family got their last name because they

02:06:08.840 had just started a farm. I guess so. That's it. Like a guy started a farm and they're like,

02:06:12.520 oh look, he's Crossland. My last name comes from Roofers. We were English.

02:06:17.580 Roofers? English Roofers. Slate. Oh, awesome. Did they cut the slate themselves? 0.98

02:06:23.040 I don't know. It's a long time ago. Hammered that shit off.

02:06:27.280 I mean, I feel like we could. Oh, this is great. Hold on. Look at this. 1.00

02:06:31.420 Pool last name comes from Pool with an E or Paul.

02:06:34.880 Jewish from the Netherlands and Dutch. Ethnic name for someone from Poland.

02:06:39.220 Oh, you should tell Luke. I am not Polish at all. 0.98

02:06:42.640 Well, maybe. Maybe not.

02:06:44.360 Well, you even look at like slave. Like slave actually just comes from the derivations from Slav. 0.81

02:06:49.160 Yeah. Language is crazy.

02:06:51.060 I always loved, uh, uh, you know, reading, uh, or, or yeah, reading a bit about like the

02:06:56.840 Romance languages. And that's why I love that section we talked about how like Rome falls

02:07:00.980 and then everyone just basically is like making their own version, which eventually becomes

02:07:04.660 a language. I was reading that Italian and French could arguably be considered a dialect

02:07:09.420 because they're so similar. A lot of the exact same words.

02:07:12.800 Well, it's even the, so in Latin, the word that, the, the word that Romans would have used

02:07:16.820 for their slaves was servus, which just means servant. So it's, oh, wow. They just use a

02:07:21.300 different way. Yeah. Well, let's, uh, we'll, we'll, we'll start to run, uh, wind things up.

02:07:26.280 And I'm, I'm curious your guys' final thoughts. Did we, uh, debunk or confirm the idea that

02:07:32.020 America is much like the Roman empire or Roman Republic or something, whatever meme similar

02:07:37.500 in some ways, dissimilar in other ways, it's never going to be exact. Yes. It's rhyming.

02:07:42.480 Absolutely. Yeah. I would, I would say it's similar, but I think, um, at the same time,

02:07:46.820 we're in a good position to have a reformer, put things back where they are and put things back

02:07:50.960 in position. I'm very hopeful because at the same time, you know, we're able to have conversations

02:07:54.900 like this and we're able to have more people be aware and understand. So I'm actually very hopeful

02:07:59.440 where we are now. Right on. Well, uh, everybody, thanks for listening. It is today is the first

02:08:06.200 annual Timcast Cockfest. We have slaughtered the roosters and we're going to eat them now.

02:08:11.320 So, uh, chicken city, we had a bunch of roosters and we had too many. And so they're all being cooked.

02:08:15.980 We've got some that were brined, some that were marinated in vinegar, some that are, uh,

02:08:21.640 being pressure cooked, some that are being roasted, roasted rooster. It's going to be

02:08:24.440 great. And that's what we're going to go do. So, uh, do you guys want to just shout anything

02:08:27.440 out before we wrap up? Um, yeah. So at restore order USA on Twitter, Patrick Casey.com.

02:08:34.900 Those are the main places to find me and thank you for having me on Tim.

02:08:37.660 Right on. Thanks for coming. And, uh, at Jeremy Ryan Slate on, uh, on X, same thing for my YouTube

02:08:42.800 channel. And, uh, uh, once again, my company's command your brand and we help to facilitate

02:08:47.500 conversations like this and make a big impact. So I wrote a book on it because I think this is

02:08:51.660 really important. So that's over at best podcast book.com.

02:08:54.960 Ian Crossland, man. Thanks for coming guys. Great stuff.

02:08:57.860 Right on. Yeah. Let's rock and roll rad.

02:09:00.480 Well, I certainly hope that, uh, as we move closer and closer towards November, things don't

02:09:04.940 get as crazy as many people think they will, but it's already getting crazy. I mean, Rachel

02:09:08.760 Madigan on TV saying Trump will be president for life. Chris Hayes unhinged rant about the

02:09:13.580 president staging a coup. I just don't see how these people chill at this point. So that being

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - March 01, 2024

The Culture War #53 The Fall Of Rome, The Roman Empire And The Fall Of The USA

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