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00:00:57.060 Last night was State of the Union. I bet most of you watched it. Everyone right now is saying that

00:01:02.160 Katie Britt bombed and it was kind of a really bad GOP rebuttal. I think the most important takeaway

00:01:08.400 from the night is that there was a Gold Star father who was arrested for yelling United States Marine

00:01:12.960 Corps and Abbey Gate at Joe Biden. And the crazy thing about that is they pulled him out of the

00:01:17.780 room, charged him with a misdemeanor, and that was the least disruptive yelling of the night.

00:01:22.360 There were Republicans that were yelling at Joe Biden, calling him a liar and insulting him.

00:01:27.820 And this guy just yelled United States Marine Corps. So I'm, I'm, I can't say I'm surprised or

00:01:31.940 shocked. I'm just disgusted. But of course, following the State of the Union, you know,

00:01:36.360 one thing everyone's always thinking about is what's really going on behind the scenes.

00:01:40.380 Because you see a couple of things. We watched Bernie Sanders have no mask on as C-SPAN was

00:01:46.380 running their, you know, C-SPAN's live before the president arrives. Bernie's not wearing a mask.

00:01:51.120 Then the president arrives, he sits down, puts a mask on. Then when the president's done speaking,

00:01:55.960 Bernie gets up, takes his mask off and starts to leave. And the question is, why did he put a mask

00:01:59.660 on? What is really going on behind the scenes when you see these politicians laughing and smiling

00:02:03.720 with each other? And it looks so performative. So we're going to hang out with a handful of former

00:02:08.980 staffers who are going to explain to us the secrets of the, uh, the backroom deals. Uh,

00:02:14.220 what, what else is there? Sex orgies? Cocaine orgies. Cocaine orgies. That proves it. He admitted

00:02:19.380 it. It sounds like we're calling Madison and trying to get him. I will. I'll call Madison,

00:02:23.740 put him on speakerphone if we want to at some point. All right, let's do it. Well, uh, I'm,

00:02:27.920 I'm actually half kidding. Cause I imagine a lot of it's very mundane. You know, we've, we've,

00:02:31.500 we've done shows from, uh, uh, I think two different offices now. And it's like people

00:02:35.700 singing at the computer during work. You know, most people assume it's going to be like

00:02:38.780 house of cards or, or something like that. And it's probably more just like a less funny

00:02:43.340 version of the office. It's like, you're in an office. It's like Veep. It's like Veep.

00:02:46.680 It really is. All right. Well then let's just get into it. Uh, who wants to, you guys just

00:02:50.220 introduce yourselves. Have fun. Yeah. I'm Luke Ball. I started a company,

00:02:54.640 Masonverse Strategies after I was detoxing from Capitol Hill, worked on the Hill for four and a

00:02:59.220 half years with Matt Gates, Madison Cawthorn, Pat Fallon, and worked with Ben along the way too.

00:03:04.340 So he's come along and started helping us out. Would Madison actually, if you called him right now,

00:03:08.220 it's like 10 AM, would he talk about the sex orgies and the cocaine? Probably.

00:03:12.020 Okay. We'll do it. You want to do it? But not right now.

00:03:14.080 No, I'll do it. Give us a jump. We'll jump right into it.

00:03:16.300 We'll still wake it up. Let them get their coffee before you call him, Madison.

00:03:18.680 It's still, still wearing off from the night before. So we got to give him a little bit of time.

00:03:22.040 All right. Um, I'm Ben Stout. Um, and I did just a little under a decade on, uh, congressional

00:03:28.140 staff, um, started out in Georgia and worked for Congressman Jody Heiss. Uh, he was like one

00:03:34.680 of the founders of the freedom caucus. Um, he was great. He married me and my wife was

00:03:39.660 like a real cool, like mentorship, uh, mentor for, for me. Um, uh, and I actually, it was

00:03:45.420 interesting cause I started, I did district staff for him, which is just this total other

00:03:48.860 world from DC staff. It's like, it's, it's not even like the same ballpark. Um, so I did

00:03:54.600 that. And then I went up to DC and did two and a half years as Lauren Boebert's deputy chief

00:03:59.700 of staff comms director that makes for a long decade, two and a half years became a decade

00:04:04.400 real quick doing that. Um, learned a lot, but it was a lot of challenges there. Definitely

00:04:08.340 learned crisis comms. Um, and, uh, and then got burned out. The burnout on the hill is

00:04:13.360 like a very real thing. Um, and so I'm burned out and I've never even worked there. Right.

00:04:19.180 Yeah. A hundred percent. So, um, so I took a year off. So I left, went back, spent time

00:04:23.260 with my family, spent time with Abby, my wife. And, um, and then, uh, did like three

00:04:28.140 months in Europe, just like phone off really detoxing. Yes. And then, and then got back

00:04:33.440 in January and then me and Luke partnered up and, um, uh, we're kind of doing, doing

00:04:38.040 a comp shop. So that's right on my background. We're taking a mutual fund portfolio approach

00:04:41.940 to candidates right now, instead of having our single stock on one person, because we've

00:04:45.840 both been in a situation where you ride or die with one person. Then that's your entire,

00:04:50.360 your, your, your title's gone, your financial security, everything is just completely out the

00:04:53.980 window. And we didn't want that. Yeah. We got Lisa hanging out. Hey guys. So I actually

00:04:57.860 am, we all know I work for Tim. I book for this show specifically. Thank you. Um, you're

00:05:02.580 welcome. But, um, but I also worked on the Hill from 2012 until 2000, 2022 with a two

00:05:09.540 years off to do Middle East foreign policy. So I am also a former Hill staffer. After

00:05:14.580 I left, I went to a place here and there and then I came right over to Tim. So maybe we

00:05:20.520 should, uh, I don't know if you want to text Madison and maybe like 11. We'll, we'll, we'll

00:05:24.920 give him time to, all right, I'll give him a heads up. Yeah. And also it doesn't

00:05:27.840 just, yeah. Otherwise we like start the show with like, and the sex orgies and

00:05:31.120 it's kind of just, you know, I don't know, man. Uh, that's, that's how I normally

00:05:34.980 start. I'm insulted that I was never invited to any of them. Like honestly, if

00:05:39.380 they're that ubiquitous, like we saw the video, Oh, you didn't have to staff

00:05:43.260 anybody for the sex parties. So I'm a little offended. Like I've worked for

00:05:48.220 wholesome members of Congress. Not that Madison isn't, he was just young, but

00:05:51.660 like, you know, I'm a little, I'm a little, I'm a little offended. Yeah.

00:05:55.900 It's a little bit. All right. Well, I didn't want to go. I just

00:05:58.100 I'm going to text him right now. Let's start last night. So you talked

00:06:00.280 about obviously what we're talking about right now is state union. Yeah. And

00:06:04.180 last night you talked about like the masks. This was happening. Like

00:06:06.880 literally we were both on the Hill and the dead center of 2020, right?

00:06:12.220 Whenever it was COVID was at its peak and everybody's freaking out and they

00:06:18.600 were doing it then the whole masks on the floor was a requirement and Dems

00:06:22.520 would walk off and take those puppies right off. Right. Um, huh? It's all

00:06:27.080 fake. It's all fake. It's all fake. So, um, Washington is Hollywood for ugly

00:06:31.080 people. That's all it is. It's all theatrics. Everything that you see in

00:06:35.800 front of the scenes, we were just talking about this afterwards. Like the people

00:06:38.540 put on some persona. Everyone's a Christian up there. Everyone is happy. And

00:06:43.500 you know, when you get behind the scenes and when you get in those offices, it

00:06:47.040 is like they turn on a dime. Who do you, who do you think is the most evil

00:06:49.960 member of Congress right now? Sheila Jackson Lee. Really? I was going to say

00:06:54.340 Adam Schiff. Yeah. No. So, well, so Schiff, I think here's the problem with that

00:06:58.920 is because, because she's not as intelligent as Schiff, you can only do so

00:07:03.320 much damage, right? It's so true. Like there are some really evil people that

00:07:07.140 are just dumb. And so ineffective, ineffective. And so you don't really

00:07:10.300 notice it, but Schiff is smart. And so his evilness is felt. You heard that

00:07:14.720 on a personal level, on a professional level, she is a nightmare. Yeah. Not

00:07:21.540 even that though. She used to like threaten, like she would scream at her

00:07:24.700 employees when they were driving her in the car to where they had to pull

00:07:27.040 over and like jump out of the car. Can we play that audio clip? Is there a way

00:07:30.020 that we have that? But not even that. She liked to hear herself speak so much

00:07:34.140 that one time she went down to the house floor to speak and they shut the lights

00:07:37.320 out on her because she refused to leave until she got like airtime. She had

00:07:40.800 airplanes turned around on the tarmac because she left her bag. Yeah. She was

00:07:43.940 like, do you know who I am? Turn this airplane around. Is this it? Leaked audio?

00:07:47.860 Yeah. The leaked audio from the staffer. Yes. No, no, you got to play it because

00:07:51.580 it is, it is probably, so it would be objectively hilarious had we not worked on

00:07:56.220 the Hill before and been like, this is exactly what goes on behind the scenes

00:07:59.100 occasionally. The, the audio here is next level for the way that she just speaks

00:08:04.380 to a staffer that has done like a minor thing. It is so minor. Like they didn't

00:08:08.120 give her her remarks in time or something. She used to make her staffer stand at,

00:08:11.920 behind her during meetings with a tray and have a glass of water on them like a

00:08:16.200 butler. Yeah. Yeah. Her stories are horrific. Yeah. She is wild. She is just super out

00:08:21.820 of control. I'm trying to find the, like a video on it's on, it's not on Twitter. I

00:08:25.900 think the New York post was the one that originally dropped it, but it would be on,

00:08:29.980 uh, I think it was probably on YouTube 2012 or 2016, something like that. The Hill 2012,

00:08:35.840 I think the Hill dropped a really long caller did one. Yeah. We've got a daily caller. That's

00:08:40.320 what it was. We've got Fox 26 Houston. I don't know if they're going to play the,

00:08:43.680 they're going to bleep it out. And that's not the funny version. So how do you find it

00:08:48.280 on bleeped? Let me, I heard it. I heard it embedded in an article for like red. Okay. This

00:08:53.880 is one's on YouTube. It says, can I just put it up to the, to hear it? I have to put it

00:08:59.740 out. Okay. Yeah. Fox 26 Houston leaked audio. Sheila Jackson Lee cusses out staffer

00:09:04.900 and it might've been bleeped out, but this sounds like the correct one, but it's, but

00:09:07.920 it's probably bleeped. Is there a way to get it? Not bleeped. I will just play. I will

00:09:11.540 just play it. But if you guys want to, you got to put your headphones on if you want to

00:09:13.380 hear it. Okay. A front runner in Houston's May oral race has been recorded, apparently

00:09:18.100 seemingly cursing out a staff member in a leaked audio. Maybe it's good that it's bleeped

00:09:22.880 out. There's another one that says leaked audio and it's just the raw audio staff

00:09:28.960 member. The profanity laced audio was published by the New York post and other

00:09:33.180 online media. I don't want you to do a thing. I want you to have a brain. I want

00:09:38.900 you to have read it. I want you to say Congresswoman was such and such day. That's

00:09:41.840 what I want. That's the kind of staff that I want to have. Oh, that's, that's, that's

00:09:46.460 nothing. No, there's one that says leaked audio. Sheila Jackson Lee cusses out staffer

00:09:51.360 and it puts it in the full context is also from Fox 26 Houston. But again, like these

00:09:55.760 are really mundane things and it probably was not her worst tirade of the whole day.

00:09:59.780 There was probably other things that were going on in addition to what she did.

00:10:03.420 Was she the one who did like the parking?

00:10:05.760 No, that was Eleanor Holmes from DC. She died to park a car on the hill and she did

00:10:11.680 like, it was like an 18 point parking job. It was like a super funny. She couldn't, she

00:10:17.400 couldn't do it to save her life.

00:10:19.160 He's got to think these members haven't driven themselves. The people who've been on the

00:10:22.640 hill, they haven't driven themselves in years. Some do. Thankfully, some do. I had a boss

00:10:26.800 one time, like years ago that didn't know how to use technology and would, we would have

00:10:30.720 to print him out MapQuest directions. See that, that, that Houston video was like three seconds

00:10:35.180 of, this is like a minute long. No, it is like a minute and 40 seconds.

00:10:38.200 It's like a piece of paper from that woman, uh, regarding, uh, something that was, oh, like

00:10:43.100 Duncan, tell where is it? What, what date was it?

00:10:45.680 All from, yeah, Jerome took it upstairs. I'd have to call him. He took it up when I switched

00:10:50.000 out the picture. I'll call him. I don't want you to do a goddamn thing. I want you to have a

00:10:56.140 fucking brain. I want you to have read it. I want you to say, Congresswoman, it was such and such

00:11:00.000 date. That's what I want. That's the kind of staff that I want to have. So some stupid other

00:11:04.560 motherfucker did it. And I don't have the information. Nobody sent me the information.

00:11:08.820 I need to, uh, ensure my, um, schedule. And, uh, you know, if a boo-boo did it, shit-ass

00:11:15.600 did it, fuck-face did it. Nobody knows a goddamn thing in my office. Okay? Nothing. I gave

00:11:21.880 it to you. Your job was to get it on the calendar, imprint it in your brain, or send me the information

00:11:27.360 back saying, Congresswoman, I made sure that the old guy, Duncan, tell event that you gave

00:11:32.220 me, uh, for a so-and-so date at seven is on the fucking couch. Not to, oh, Jerome has

00:11:37.940 it. Okay? So when I called Jerome, he gonna be sitting up there like a fat-ass idiot, talking

00:11:43.260 about, uh, what the fuck he doesn't know. Okay? Both of y'all are fuck-ups, I'm fucking

00:11:47.720 up. It's the worst shit that I could've ever had put together. Two goddamn big-ass jokes.

00:11:54.380 Fucking idiots.

00:11:55.020 Dude, that, what I love about it is she's slowly cranking the volume up. She's like,

00:12:08.800 it starts with, I don't want you to do with a goddamn thing. You see? And then it ends

00:12:11.740 with, two grown-ass, my children get done. She started as a Congresswoman and ended as

00:12:17.560 Samuel L. Jackson. It's like, I could feel the exponential curve of anger, but it was

00:12:24.100 kind of funny because I'm like, lady, like, I'm listening to this. I get the point. You

00:12:28.480 know what I mean? You could say it one time.

00:12:30.000 Yeah.

00:12:30.400 Not only that, you have to remember that the person that's driving her around is either

00:12:33.940 like her staff assistant or her scheduler, right? And so they're usually very young, right?

00:12:39.160 Like fresh out of college, if they're not like interns or whatever, we've had interns

00:12:43.460 drive people around. They're getting paid almost next to nothing. They're very young

00:12:47.720 and then they're getting berated like that.

00:12:49.460 And they have no decision-making ability.

00:12:51.180 Nothing.

00:12:51.380 They have no...

00:12:52.560 They're just like, they're just giving congressional tours, driving them around and ordering flags.

00:12:57.680 But the thing is, is that like they're young and she's just berating them. And you wouldn't

00:13:04.140 be hard-pressed to walk through Congress and see people crying all the time. How many times

00:13:08.260 I heard, I saw girls crying in the bathroom because of members berating them crazily?

00:13:11.860 But how many of those members are Republican?

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00:14:40.900 Republicans.

00:14:42.360 Some are.

00:14:43.300 Some.

00:14:43.880 A lot of them.

00:14:44.360 See, I'm telling you right now, the problem Republicans have is they do not have a Sheila Jackson

00:14:47.720 Lee. That's true. I mean, look at how, how hard she goes because some dude forgot a piece

00:14:52.300 of paper. And it's really Jerome's fault.

00:14:53.700 Damn!

00:14:54.200 He forgot the paper.

00:14:55.960 It's his own fault. He forgot. But you can hear it in the guy's voice. As soon as she asked

00:15:00.120 a question and he knew that he did not have, we have been there where it's like, there's

00:15:04.980 no good answer here. So you dance around it for two minutes or whatever. It's on the way.

00:15:09.800 You're trying to get it. It's, but I mean, look, that's, that's the culture of Capitol

00:15:13.420 Hill. Sometimes you need Republicans to have that kind of zeal and anger.

00:15:18.720 Chip Roy.

00:15:20.260 Yeah.

00:15:20.460 Oh yeah.

00:15:21.040 Oh, Chip Roy.

00:15:22.000 He's yelling at people.

00:15:22.880 Well, he won. He, when he walks down the hall, steam follows.

00:15:28.800 The problem is like some of the worst member, the members who are worse to their staff are

00:15:34.160 some of the best representatives in Washington sometimes, because it's, if you're not really

00:15:38.720 difficult to work for, it means you're not really trying. The people who have the easiest

00:15:42.720 time on Capitol Hill are the ones that can go up and sit for the backbenchers because they

00:15:46.600 get an email from leadership office and what the whip basically says, you're going to vote

00:15:50.500 this way. And they show up and they vote that way. They don't do anything opposition to the

00:15:54.680 party because they're scared that their lobby is going to drop them. They're not going to

00:15:57.680 be able to fundraise and their committee assignments are dependent on how much money that they can

00:16:01.760 actually get at the end of the day. If half of the things that happen in Washington, DC

00:16:05.480 happened to corporate America, it'd be white collar crime, but instead it's how we operate

00:16:09.180 our government. Sorry, you can go ahead. But I think this is actually an important point

00:16:13.680 that we don't want to take too much time on this, but you could spend a lot of time on

00:16:17.280 this because this is literally one of the, like when you talk about what's wrong with

00:16:21.520 Washington, okay, what's not, we get that. But one of the core things that happens on Capitol

00:16:26.840 Hill, and you hear this every single day from fellow staff is we're convincing our boss to

00:16:33.180 do X or our box is going to try to go rogue and vote this way and bought and members are

00:16:38.480 almost universally more conservative than their staff members. True. And for a staff member to go

00:16:44.600 make money, what is their, what is their career trajectory to be on the Hill and then to go over

00:16:49.920 to K street, to go become a lobbyist. Well, you're not going to go become a lobbyist. If you're,

00:16:54.280 if your member's not playing ball with the lobbying groups. And so it is a incentive structure for

00:17:00.840 the staff to moderate their members and to vote as the lobbyists want so that they can then go

00:17:07.060 make money off Hill. And so when you're talking about, you know, this whole topic, one of the

00:17:13.220 core things when we're talking about DC is staff members being more moderate all for the incentive

00:17:17.640 structure to go make money as a lobbying. And it happens especially chiefs of staff because they

00:17:22.040 have been there for so long in the swamp, in this bipartisan, like, well, that's what they try to

00:17:27.380 claim it is, but it's really lobbying world. And it's the chief of staff that like, you'll get a

00:17:31.800 very, you know, real conservative member of Congress. And it's the chief that's pulling them

00:17:36.380 away and trying to make them vote a different way. It makes me, it makes me wonder because we know

00:17:41.240 when the big deal with Kevin McCarthy was that he controlled the funds, they would decide if you

00:17:46.660 got reelected or not. So everyone's trying to play ball with this guy who's barely getting anything

00:17:50.420 done. Granted, I'll give, I'll give him some respect. You know, Thomas Massey said that he was able to

00:17:54.240 get some things through like a reduction in the budget, a 1% reduction if they did a continuing

00:17:58.480 resolution. So it's like, okay, you know, I like Thomas Massey, disagree with him on some things.

00:18:02.280 But when you look at that, I have to wonder, then you see Matt Gaetz. And there's a reason why Matt

00:18:05.600 Gaetz is not beholden to the GOP establishment because he has a base. He has supporters. He gets

00:18:11.200 small donations. He doesn't need the lobbyists. So if you can command your own income, you are free

00:18:16.040 from that. Granted, they will all hate you because you're outside of that. But I'm hoping that with the

00:18:21.700 way the internet business model and subscription models have been going, maybe we will get to a

00:18:26.420 point where you will have more, look for better or for worse, AOCs and Matt Gaetzes. AOC also,

00:18:31.820 small donors online. She doesn't have to, but she loves to play ball. So she's not the same story,

00:18:36.960 but you know, get more independent funding for these. And I was on his staff when he made that

00:18:41.200 decision to switch from accepting any sort of donations from PACs and lobbyists to basically being

00:18:47.540 completely free, gave a whole CPAC speech on it. And I did not understand at the time why it was

00:18:52.240 such a big deal for him because I didn't understand how it operated in Washington,

00:18:55.780 but he was totally free and independent from anybody influencing his vote and pulling the

00:19:01.880 strings at that point from the corporate world. To be fair, he already had committee assignments at

00:19:05.820 that point though, right? So I had a member of Congress that I worked for who was a newer member.

00:19:10.620 He decided not to vote for McCarthy the first time McCarthy ran when the one where he dropped out

00:19:14.680 and he got penalized for years and stuck on terrible committee assignments as punishment.

00:19:20.260 And until he started walking the line and becoming less freedom caucus, right? Then like he got nothing

00:19:27.520 and no, no money, no, not being paid attention to nothing. I would get expelled in two seconds.

00:19:31.800 If I was ever in Congress, there's no reason for someone like me to ever be involved in government.

00:19:36.540 I think, I think it's true for a lot of people. Actually, I think if you take the average plumber

00:19:40.060 and say, you're going to be in Congress, he would be expelled in 10 minutes because he's going to

00:19:44.600 walk in and he's going to start yelling at people and be like, what is wrong with all of you? What

00:19:48.700 is this? He'd be like, get out. Yeah. And the reason that Gates was able to keep his committee

00:19:53.500 assignments and he, he tells this story. I don't want to steal it from him, but he walked into

00:19:57.640 leadership's office on like one of the first days of being a member or being up in the story.

00:20:02.180 I'm sorry. Well, this is my, this is the guy. And he basically said, I want to be on house

00:20:07.580 armed services committee. And I believe that I should be, well, not yet. He said, I want to be

00:20:13.320 on house armed services committee predominantly because my district has the most active duty

00:20:17.000 men, military veterans in the United States. And so I think that I'm qualified to be that

00:20:21.860 and leadership looked at him and said, well, you're not doing enough work across the street.

00:20:24.800 It looks like, and basically if you were to come in and give $250,000 over the next few weeks,

00:20:30.500 we might be able to consider what committee assignments to put you on. And Gates said

00:20:34.500 something to the effect of what if I wrote a check right now for $500,000? And they went,

00:20:39.140 what other committee would you like to be on Congressman? And he paid double for both.

00:20:42.400 So you have bids on committees. Wait, Matt Gates actually paid it.

00:20:45.460 Yeah. He paid double. He paid double at the beginning.

00:20:48.080 I have to imagine that his constituents who are armed forces members were like, well, that's great.

00:20:53.080 I don't think Matt Gates. I didn't know at the time, but right. And then, you know,

00:20:56.500 it took years for him to be able to even go back and tell that story because

00:20:59.380 when you first get up to Washington, you are shepherded in by leadership who introduced you

00:21:05.100 to lobbyists to tell you how the game is played and say, you are expected to do all of these

00:21:09.500 things and make the rounds. And it's not even for the individual members. It's for the NRCC

00:21:13.900 so that they themselves can raise the money through the Republican party and then pour that back into

00:21:18.880 their priorities.

00:21:19.480 Let's back this up though for the viewers. Let's rewind and kind of explain what we're talking about here.

00:21:23.360 Yeah.

00:21:23.520 When we're talking about across the street, when we're talking about for the committee,

00:21:26.940 what we're talking about is committees have grades. And I'm sure that this has been talked about

00:21:32.060 before possibly on this podcast. Committees have grades, A, B, and C, some like A minus B plus,

00:21:38.440 like things like that. But A, B, and C, these grades have nothing to do with power, with influence,

00:21:45.200 with the time you spend. It is all about how much money you raise on these committees. So you,

00:21:49.100 the, in Congress, the, the grade of a committee is 100% based on its ability to raise money. So

00:21:57.100 for example, the Veterans Affairs Committee, which does so much work for all of veterans and for,

00:22:02.660 is like a C minus committee. No one wants on it. You can't raise a dollar on it.

00:22:06.340 Yep.

00:22:07.040 So it is a low.

00:22:08.100 How do you, how do you raise money? What does it, what does that mean?

00:22:09.880 So like, say you work for energy and commerce, right? There's so many different things that go

00:22:13.640 through energy.

00:22:14.700 Appropriations. Appropriations.

00:22:15.740 Wait, wait, hold on. Let me make a guess. You're saying that I sit down with a lobbyist

00:22:19.720 and say, I will get your bill that poisons baby kittens through if you put a million dollars,

00:22:24.440 something like that.

00:22:24.940 You don't even have to say that. You just say, hey, I'm on energy and commerce.

00:22:27.980 I know you'll have a lot that comes before the committee. We really appreciate your support.

00:22:31.640 So if you say that, if you say that, it's about veterans.

00:22:35.300 But here's the thing though, if you say that it's corruption, but if they come and meet with you

00:22:40.560 and say, we would like these priorities to be accomplished, congressman, the congressman will

00:22:45.200 say, okay, I'll take it in consideration. And then they'll go meet with their legislative director

00:22:48.960 and their chief of staff. And the chief of staff is normally on the campaign side. And the chief

00:22:52.940 will say, well, if we vote for this bill, we will get a check from their political action committee

00:22:57.620 within a matter of weeks. And so if you explicitly say, I will do this, if you do this, it's corruption.

00:23:04.720 Sure. But if you just show up and say what your priorities are, a little nudge, nudge, wink,

00:23:09.740 wink, then it's totally fine. And what if you were like, oh, that's a, that's a really pressing

00:23:15.400 issue there, man. I'm so hungry. I can't even think straight. I don't think I'd make a good

00:23:19.540 decision. I got a good steak, maybe with some gold flakes on it. Well, congressman, let's go,

00:23:23.680 let's go discuss it over lunch. But there, so there are some ethics restrictions. There are some

00:23:29.320 ways to get around it. So who was the congressman? Real quick, real quick. Just when, when Matt Gaetz

00:23:34.380 was here, we have like the best selection of boozes, not the best. We have a good selection

00:23:38.720 of booze. We've got, we got Louie the 13th over there for heaven's sake. And Matt was like, no way.

00:23:43.380 I was like, feel free to have anything. I can't touch any of that stuff. He's like, that's too good.

00:23:46.740 And then he sat down and enjoyed his bottle of water or whatever he had. He was like, no,

00:23:49.620 we're not allowed to do that. Ethics rules. Matt's awesome. I'm a big fan. So, and next time you talk to

00:23:54.080 him, confirm that story. That is exactly the story I understand too. So get the, on the paying double for the

00:23:58.240 committees, but, um, Gates is a little pissed at me right now. So yeah, but he's, he's told that

00:24:03.140 story publicly. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. No, he's still, he's still publicly. And there's also a movie. We

00:24:07.700 filmed a movie from HBO, the swamp in our office and they followed us around. And these are all

00:24:13.460 things that he told. So I'm giving credit to him. That's so wild, dude. I didn't even know that.

00:24:17.340 Yeah. So here's it. So rewind. We talked about this, how the corruption and how the money gets paid

00:24:22.840 for the committees. Rewind to how it used to be. So it's still in practice, the same thing.

00:24:28.240 But, uh, how it used to be literally, who was the Congressman from Alaska that was there

00:24:33.620 for forever that had the cool office? Don King, I believe. Don King. Sorry. He was the

00:24:38.120 Dean of the house. Yeah. He was the Dean of the house. He'd been there for literally like

00:24:41.240 60 years, like before Nixon, like crazy. So, um, but he, uh, he was telling a story of the

00:24:48.640 way it used to work on ethics is, um, is literally they had members had safes in their

00:24:58.100 office and the lobbies would just bring cash. The safes are still there. The safes are still

00:25:03.860 there. But literally the lobbyists just used to bring cash and they'd take the cash, put

00:25:08.880 it in the safe. And that was, now you're not allowed to do that. You have to go have dinner

00:25:12.000 at the Capitol Hill club or there's a loophole. You can do it on the house floor for member

00:25:16.060 to member. Hey, look, I'm, I'm, I'm with, uh, Cenk Uygur, who's been fighting the money

00:25:19.940 in politics things for a long time. I think he needs to, uh, and I mean this with, with,

00:25:23.880 with respect, articulate his position on what they were talking about because the big thing

00:25:28.800 they keep talking about is the ability to finance campaigns and it doesn't get to the

00:25:33.460 core of what's being discussed right now with how Congress operates. So, you know, uh, Cenk,

00:25:37.100 the Young Turks, I think Kyle Kalinske was involved. They were very much like, we've got to get money

00:25:40.900 out of politics to the average person. Like, what does that mean? If, if you go and say, well,

00:25:45.180 it's cause these PACs are spending unlimited money to get people elected. We're like, yeah,

00:25:47.840 we get that people buy billboards. But if he was to come on and say, no, actually the members

00:25:52.060 of Congress are cutting back room deals to get hundreds of like to get millions of dollars.

00:25:56.220 And that's the only reason bills ever get done. Focus on that. And you're going to have everyone

00:26:00.640 being like, sign me up. Yeah. I mean, I remember hearing a conversation in another office. Uh,

00:26:07.560 they were debating, uh, this is whenever I was like a lower level staffer in district and I was up on a

00:26:12.100 trip and I was seeing a friend and the office was discussing a vote. And I remember the chief

00:26:17.420 talking to the LD and was like, Hey, do you know how the members going to vote on this? Well,

00:26:20.520 we talked about this. So they're discussing a vote and he was like, okay, well what's the bid on it

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00:27:55.100 On these votes. So they were like, they knew the dollar amount that was being handed around based on

00:28:00.800 the vote. And it was kind of like, we'll see what he does. But we know that it's going to impact about

00:28:04.600 a 10 to 12K donation. But also remember, that's not like your everyday, they're not the ones on like

00:28:09.520 the lower committees. It's not really happening like that on science, space and technology, right?

00:28:13.180 Like it's not, it's not happening on Veterans Affairs. So when you're thinking about these things,

00:28:17.800 think about the higher level congressmen rather than the lower, because there's plenty of these like

00:28:22.240 lower level members that are not doing any of this. There are good people that are still in

00:28:27.640 Congress. Not that they don't want to. I'm just saying that there's people that are not doing

00:28:32.620 it. Matt Gates said, what if I write you a check right now for 500? He did. And so, but that's

00:28:37.440 Matt Gates as a member of Congress, personally writing a check from his own funds. Like what

00:28:41.060 does this mean? From his, from campaign. From campaign. Yeah. That's all, it's all above board.

00:28:45.780 Right. You're allowed to transfer from campaign to the NRCC. Yeah. So that's what it is.

00:28:49.340 So it's, that's your dues and your bids. Are you familiar with this? No, no, no. Tell me. Okay. Okay. So whenever you

00:28:55.800 come up to, uh, to DC based on your district and your committee assignments, you are given a bid

00:29:02.380 as a member of Congress. If you are from rural Georgia, you might get a hundred thousand dollar

00:29:08.820 bid, $150,000 bid. But the bid from what for, we'll get to that. If you are from Buckhead, Georgia,

00:29:15.300 wealthy suburb of Atlanta, 250, 300, 400, your bid is what you owe. What you owe the NRCC to be in

00:29:25.500 quote, good standing. The way this works is, is, um, and, and I, we could get to this later,

00:29:31.840 but I think that the, the, the establishment has lost a lot of power on Capitol Hill.

00:29:36.180 The dollar contributed the, the, the way that money flows has totally been democratized. And I

00:29:41.680 think that's a huge part of it, but what they still have is committee assignments, which is very

00:29:45.540 important. And the way committee assignments work is you, is you say to leadership, what committees

00:29:50.820 you want to get on and you go before the, the, um, steering committee, steering committee and the

00:29:55.480 steering committee will decide, guess who gets to come in for the steering committee. So it's the

00:30:00.020 committee. It's all these leaderships, one for people speaker gets like five votes leader. Uh,

00:30:04.060 the leader of your party gets like four votes. Everybody else gets one vote, but the head of

00:30:07.980 the NRCC comes in and every single person who's requested to be on a committee, like a important

00:30:13.640 committee, they don't care about the unimportant ones, but an A-list committee, a high fundraising

00:30:17.600 committee, before they take a vote, they ask the NRCC where they add on their standing and they will

00:30:23.140 tell them how much their bid was. And if they went over under and where they're at, and then all of

00:30:28.300 them factor that in when they go to vote for that person onto that committee. So whenever, so whenever

00:30:32.660 we're talking about meet his bid, pay the due pay double, this is what we're all talking about.

00:30:38.300 And it's also your fundraising ability. Like that's what they're looking at. Like, are we going to put you

00:30:41.620 on a bigger, are you fundraising what you think you could get in your district effectively? Because if

00:30:46.940 we're going to give you this spot where we know this money can come back to the NRCC, we're, we want

00:30:52.420 to know that you're capable of actually going out, dialing for dollars, raising the money and meeting

00:30:57.080 with lobbyists. I would like these people to be in prison. Well, if this were a normal company,

00:31:04.960 they probably would be, you know, it's the United States government. What's really sad is you see

00:31:09.660 these, um, you know, people challenging incumbents and they're like, when I get down there, I'm going to

00:31:14.780 be like this. Right. And I'm going to, I'll never give in and guaranteed a year or two years in

00:31:22.120 you're, you're changing your whole, or they're expelled or there's a few primarily in the freedom

00:31:28.280 caucus. There's a few, the poor freedom caucus. I love, I mean, Marjorie Taylor green was saying

00:31:33.340 that, uh, she Massey and others were forcing floor votes and that that was pissing everybody

00:31:38.340 off. Cause it was pulling them away from fundraising. Well, it was also, they, they want to go home

00:31:42.480 on wheels up day. She's got them out there. Well, they themselves were fundraising by doing

00:31:49.320 what they were doing. So there, there was, there's a good, good, good. No, I'm not saying

00:31:55.660 it's a bad thing. I just, I think it's ironic because that's true. Like, you know, you're

00:31:58.940 actually on the house floor forcing people to do their job and therefore people see that.

00:32:02.980 Yeah, exactly. So if, if, if Matt Gates, Marjorie Taylor and these other, uh, you know, members

00:32:08.900 of Congress, they get their donations, their fundraising from regular working people. I

00:32:13.440 would gladly side with a million people are contributing to whatever, be it the NRCC or

00:32:19.940 their campaigns, as opposed to fat cat lobbyists smoking cigars, being like, here's what we

00:32:24.140 want done in DC.

00:32:25.340 So we realized after a few months of being on television and things like that, and in, in

00:32:30.500 any congressional office that we did, we raised more money by having the principal on television

00:32:36.360 than we would have raised by having television commercials or placing ad spins on digital

00:32:42.220 and things like that. So why would we spend time trying to work with the consultants and

00:32:47.860 things like that to get us a good commercial when we could just get free media on television

00:32:52.440 and then get all of the small dollar donations and then you retain their email so that you

00:32:56.640 reach back out to them, their phone numbers, their contact information. You then build up your

00:33:00.580 own list that you can sell to other campaigns and things like that.

00:33:03.700 That's a huge.

00:33:04.100 You've got to build up your own independent operation, the blackout.

00:33:07.180 So if you don't build up your own independent operation, you are entirely beholden to the

00:33:11.660 other like NRCC or the GOP themselves, because you have to have an entity outside of you.

00:33:16.520 So the members that are actually doing well on their own are doing it so they can build up

00:33:21.180 their own operation and have independence from these organizations. And that's how they can

00:33:25.060 circumnavigate the normal flow of the swamp.

00:33:27.040 Let's say you're rich and you own a company that's got a seven figure income every year with a hefty

00:33:33.940 profit margin.

00:33:34.460 I'm doing a lot of hypothesizing right now.

00:33:37.440 Then you get into Congress and you, what do you do at this point? You say like, I will remove

00:33:43.300 myself as an officer of the company and hand the company over to someone else. Can you be the owner

00:33:46.980 of a massive company like that while in Congress?

00:33:48.900 Yes.

00:33:49.160 Yes.

00:33:49.340 Yeah.

00:33:49.760 So you can't, you're not supposed to run the day to day. Now it happens all the time.

00:33:53.020 Yeah.

00:33:53.540 Boeber owned a restaurant while she did it. Andrew Clyde owns like an armory, like a legit

00:34:00.020 like armory. It's super cool, but he did that. And so you have to kind of like remove yourself

00:34:04.200 from the day to day. In some situations you might have to divest from certain like, you

00:34:09.200 know.

00:34:09.420 So the reason I ask is what if someone goes into, uh, someone runs a, you know, a seven

00:34:16.240 figure, uh, or let's say eight figure, uh, company.

00:34:19.080 They're like a principal at Boeing or something. And then they sit on the, you know, house

00:34:22.640 services.

00:34:23.360 But then when, when they're like, Hey, have you, have you raised this much money for the

00:34:26.960 NRCC? They go like, I can have my, the CEO write your check tomorrow. How does that sound?

00:34:30.340 Is that, do they do things like that?

00:34:31.760 Oh yeah.

00:34:32.640 Yeah. But I feel like most of the rich ones still fundraise.

00:34:35.960 There's not that like if, if you have $8 million of personal wealth, but you have to donate

00:34:42.900 hundreds of thousands of dollars every year, then you're not going to want to write that

00:34:47.300 out of your own paycheck. Now, if people have hundreds of millions of dollars, but, but

00:34:52.100 you know, I mean, you get on the right committee, you can see the right on the wall and make a

00:34:56.640 hefty investment and say NVIDIA, but then be up 30% in seven months.

00:35:00.280 It's true. But then people are selfish and innately. So they're going to want to try to find other

00:35:03.860 ways around that.

00:35:04.420 Rich people have rich friends. So they just get them to pay it.

00:35:07.740 Yeah. So there's, people don't want to give their own money often. Some people can, but

00:35:12.200 maybe I'd say a dozen. It's, it's very rare. And even in that case, they're like, this is

00:35:17.120 my money and I don't want to give it all.

00:35:19.420 Well, I imagine the attitude is going to be like, I'm not going to pay for it. You guys

00:35:23.540 want something for me that I've got for sale. So, and that's, that's the rich friends are

00:35:27.760 like treated better too.

00:35:28.960 If you're in that world, the money will just come naturally because I mean, I would imagine

00:35:34.780 that business partners who want to do business with somebody in the future would just contribute

00:35:38.600 to a congressional campaign. And if individuals are capped at a certain amount of dollars,

00:35:43.640 then they're not going to have to give that much to remain in good graces with the business

00:35:46.840 people.

00:35:47.040 2,700, right?

00:35:48.260 2,700 is what it was.

00:35:49.280 And then it's more if it's combined.

00:35:50.820 Primary in general.

00:35:51.760 For rich people like this, like ain't nobody caring about the 2,700.

00:35:54.480 No, they put it in a pack.

00:35:55.900 Yeah. It's all pack money.

00:35:58.140 Yeah.

00:35:58.520 2,700 dollars is.

00:36:00.780 Individual contribution.

00:36:01.380 These members look at 2,700 dollars and they just go like, okay.

00:36:04.040 It's like it's a $10 bill for us.

00:36:05.160 They see like 15 to 20 and up and they go, oh, I should give them a phone call.

00:36:08.740 So are you guys saying that if I want to get a law passed, I just got to write a big

00:36:12.200 check and then wiggle it in someone's face on a committee and then they'll do it?

00:36:14.880 No, it doesn't work like that.

00:36:17.060 Really? It's not that easy? Come on.

00:36:18.340 It's not that easy.

00:36:19.400 It's not that easy.

00:36:20.140 So you can, if you want to, if you've got a million dollars behind some issue and you

00:36:27.080 want to spend it to get something to happen, you can get movement.

00:36:30.140 You can get a committee hearing.

00:36:31.840 You can get some press conferences.

00:36:34.100 You can get some action on the Hill, but to get a law through the house, through the

00:36:38.560 committee, on the floor, through the house, to the Senate, you got to get, you got to

00:36:43.920 get all of them to wake up on the same day at the same time and go vote.

00:36:47.600 It's a million dollars or five or six.

00:36:50.240 And your bill will never see the light of day.

00:36:51.960 But that being said, so remember how he was saying that the staff members push the member

00:36:59.160 of Congress to vote certain ways because they want to go work for these other lobbying groups.

00:37:04.380 So what happens is they make friendships.

00:37:05.800 They go out to receptions and dinners and they make friends with these lobbyists and

00:37:10.480 they start thinking like, I want to go work for X company.

00:37:14.680 And so then they tell, X company tells them their priorities, the committee.

00:37:19.080 So there's committee staff separate from your office staff.

00:37:22.540 More powerful.

00:37:23.120 More powerful.

00:37:23.940 Right.

00:37:24.340 And so the committee staff is all being, having these same type of relationships.

00:37:28.280 And so then they're the ones that are kind of help driving to push that forward too.

00:37:31.980 So that's the other way lobbyists influence the staffers, which drives the member as well.

00:37:37.220 If you haven't played ball with house leadership and the campaign fundraising, then you're also

00:37:42.400 not going to see your bill on the house floor.

00:37:44.220 You won't even get co-signers.

00:37:45.920 What if we had a convention of states to amend the constitution and said, all this is done.

00:37:51.440 Do you think that would improve things?

00:37:52.560 Convention of states makes me really nervous because of all of the other things that they

00:37:55.680 could tango.

00:37:56.040 No, no, for sure.

00:37:56.500 For sure.

00:37:56.660 But let's just say, because I want to, I'm focused on like fixing Congress.

00:38:00.120 I understand there's risks with the convention of states, but let's, so for those who are

00:38:04.160 not familiar, there is, there are a couple of ways to amend the constitution.

00:38:07.180 Congress can do it.

00:38:08.100 It goes to the Senate.

00:38:08.760 You need like a two thirds majority, or it can go, uh, was it two thirds of states call

00:38:13.220 a convention of states and then they vote each state on, uh, on amendments to the constitution.

00:38:18.420 So let's say they did.

00:38:19.480 And the only thing that happened was they said no more tying committee seats, no more bids,

00:38:24.880 no more, no more fundraising tied to committee positions.

00:38:27.680 That is unconstitutional from this point forward.

00:38:30.680 What do you think would happen?

00:38:31.460 You don't need to do that.

00:38:32.180 You don't need to do that.

00:38:32.900 I mean, you would have to do it every year, but you could just literally change.

00:38:35.320 So remember back whenever McCarthy went to 16 votes or whatever it was, a lot of that

00:38:39.640 was about house rules.

00:38:41.180 And, and a part of that was negotiations on committee assignments and other things.

00:38:46.120 But the reason I bring up convention of states is because Congress is not going to

00:38:48.860 do this.

00:38:49.620 We, the states would have to force Congress to stop doing this.

00:38:52.600 But who's in the states, who in the states would be the ones that would be trying to

00:38:58.140 move forward to this change, state legislators, and they are just as heavily influenced on

00:39:01.460 the state level as the federal level.

00:39:03.280 And they're probably all trying to get to that federal level anyway.

00:39:06.000 So why are they trying to shortcut change where they're trying to get to?

00:39:08.780 You see what I'm saying?

00:39:09.400 Everyone wants a piece of the pie.

00:39:10.680 I don't, I don't, do you really think that most state reps want to be federal reps?

00:39:14.340 They want to advance in their political careers and you wouldn't be able to find enough of

00:39:19.680 them to group together to create substantial change in most of these states.

00:39:24.740 And now there's really good efforts.

00:39:25.920 There's like the state freedom caucus network.

00:39:27.680 That's, that's doing really good work to try to actually accomplish change and be good

00:39:32.440 conservatives on the state level themselves.

00:39:34.260 But by and large, it's just extraordinarily difficult.

00:39:37.300 If you don't band together, then you're just what, like the house cards, you cleave from

00:39:41.340 the herd, like you're gone.

00:39:42.620 I, I'm just, we're speculating of course, but my guess is if you went to state reps and

00:39:47.020 state senators throughout America and said, Hey, your Congressman is going to retire, uh,

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00:41:18.920 For they don't do a special election, they appoint someone and then they can run for

00:41:24.380 re-election.

00:41:25.280 And they said, hey, your congressman is going to retire.

00:41:27.740 Would you like to be appointed?

00:41:29.240 I think 50%.

00:41:30.500 So yeah.

00:41:31.120 More than 50.

00:41:32.020 Yeah.

00:41:32.260 Even county commissioners and all.

00:41:33.760 Yes.

00:41:34.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:34.660 Just your question about advancement.

00:41:36.460 Yeah, they want it.

00:41:37.340 Everyone's principles fly out the window.

00:41:39.060 I have an idea.

00:41:40.080 They want the prestige more than anything.

00:41:41.240 I don't think it's necessarily the money at first.

00:41:42.640 I think they want to say, oh, I work for, I'm a congressman or I'm a congressman.

00:41:46.540 I have an idea.

00:41:47.840 You should hear me out.

00:41:48.460 Here's what we do.

00:41:49.020 All right.

00:41:49.300 All right.

00:41:49.680 So when you have a, you'll have a group of like political establishment people suit wearing

00:41:55.740 guys, but they're not in politics.

00:41:57.240 They work for the fundraising organizations.

00:41:59.480 And whenever someone peaks their head up saying like, I want to be in this role, what

00:42:05.000 you do then is you say, you say yes, right this way.

00:42:08.020 And when they walk into the room, the room is actually, you ever see those, those bits

00:42:12.260 where like they'll have a room and they'll push it up to a porta potty.

00:42:15.460 And then when the guy walks out, he's in an office.

00:42:17.300 You ever see that?

00:42:17.760 That's actually like a viral video.

00:42:19.040 It's what you do.

00:42:19.460 It's like right this way to my office and we'll discuss getting you set up for Congress.

00:42:22.040 So they walk in, the door closes in the back of a U-Haul, which drives them to like Southern

00:42:26.600 Florida.

00:42:26.980 And then there's like a big wall.

00:42:28.300 We put them on the other side and say, you live here now.

00:42:30.720 With the alligators.

00:42:31.400 No, I mean, you're comfortable.

00:42:34.120 We'll get you a nice chair.

00:42:35.220 You have a coconut.

00:42:36.320 We put them in the villages.

00:42:37.580 There's some villages down there.

00:42:38.900 Stay away from us.

00:42:40.080 We don't want people who want to be in this position like you.

00:42:43.520 We want people who feel a duty and feel like they have to be there.

00:42:47.060 I think that most people, to be fair, I've worked for three really good human beings

00:42:51.860 and members.

00:42:52.860 And, you know, when they get there, they don't, they, they did it because they love their country

00:42:58.060 and they had good intention when they went.

00:42:59.940 It's like that old saying, absolute power corrupts absolutely, right?

00:43:02.560 And so the more you get, the more you want.

00:43:04.840 Power corrupts and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely.

00:43:07.060 There's one, there's one or two, two of the members that I worked for, I would say that

00:43:10.720 they don't really care about the flash and the stuff like that.

00:43:12.880 One was, they called him like a workhorse as compared to a show horse.

00:43:15.900 There are those.

00:43:16.880 He really cared.

00:43:18.200 The one liked the fame and the stuff like that.

00:43:20.700 But I don't think that they all go in with those intentions.

00:43:23.700 And you could see it by like what their messaging is and who they were when they run.

00:43:27.440 I don't think it's all like that.

00:43:28.700 There's an additional quote that was well after the first one.

00:43:32.320 And it's, I forgot who said it.

00:43:34.080 It's, they said, it is not that power corrupts, but that absolute power attracts corruption.

00:43:39.940 So my other idea, and, and this one I think is a good idea.

00:43:44.320 After you...

00:43:45.320 As opposed to your other idea.

00:43:46.160 The other idea was...

00:43:46.900 I like the first one.

00:43:47.360 I like that one.

00:43:48.120 This one's better.

00:43:48.560 We make it so that you can only, term limit.

00:43:52.880 And after your term is, I think Congress, four years, one, one time.

00:43:58.520 And as soon as you're done, you get shipped off to an island and you are excised from public

00:44:03.040 life.

00:44:03.800 It's not going to work.

00:44:04.900 Staffers don't, staffers don't like term limits that way.

00:44:07.800 No, no, no, no, but it's not, it's not, it's not so much about the term limits.

00:44:10.760 It's about as soon as you're, you, like, as soon as you're done in Congress, you are

00:44:16.000 excised from the United States.

00:44:17.280 You can no longer participate.

00:44:18.680 You can't work here.

00:44:19.660 You go to an island.

00:44:20.300 I'll settle for a simple, you're not allowed to lobby.

00:44:22.160 That would be a good one.

00:44:23.180 But I mean, like...

00:44:23.960 I like that.

00:44:24.480 My thing is, you have to sacrifice, yes, staffers too, you have to sacrifice your life in society

00:44:31.800 in order to run for office.

00:44:33.420 When you are done with your run in office, you are no longer allowed, you're gone.

00:44:37.500 You are not, you are, you are sent off to a colony somewhere where you will live comfortably

00:44:41.080 for the rest of your days with no TV and no one will ever hear from you again.

00:44:44.820 See, the problem is, is that there's a learning curve to going to the Hill, right?

00:44:49.640 So when you get down there, it's, it's, it's every two years.

00:44:52.800 So the first year as a freshman, you're learning the ropes and whatever.

00:44:56.480 Where the bathrooms are.

00:44:57.400 Exactly.

00:44:57.960 It's, it's, you're learning everything.

00:44:59.660 And I, I don't think anybody really knows what it's like there until you go and you're

00:45:02.680 an intern and then an LC and then a, you know, LD, LA, LD.

00:45:05.980 And then you get the soul sucked out of you.

00:45:07.360 Correct.

00:45:07.780 But, but, but what you're learning the ropes.

00:45:09.840 Mitch McConnell walks into your office and just grabs you and drains the soul from your

00:45:13.040 body.

00:45:13.360 But you really are.

00:45:13.800 He just, I'm just going to need you.

00:45:14.940 He just looks at you.

00:45:15.700 He just looks at you and you're like, I'm just going to need you to stand still for a moment.

00:45:19.340 Learning the ropes.

00:45:19.940 He just, he just stands in the door of the office without saying anything.

00:45:25.600 His eyes are looking in the wrong direction, but you feel the energy being drained as all

00:45:29.160 the staffers writhe on the ground.

00:45:30.580 All right.

00:45:30.800 I just need, I need some energy.

00:45:32.200 All right.

00:45:32.300 Let's all the serious stuff.

00:45:32.940 Lisa's got a point to me.

00:45:35.420 You're like my Mitch McConnell impression.

00:45:37.360 I did.

00:45:37.940 I did.

00:45:38.680 But so no, listen.

00:45:39.360 I got so many more.

00:45:40.120 It's so good.

00:45:40.440 Because I feel this.

00:45:41.380 I feel this as a staffer and I feel this like for the members too.

00:45:44.240 So the first year you're learning even where the bathrooms are, what's going on, where you

00:45:47.980 park your car.

00:45:48.660 Where the subway is.

00:45:49.320 Yeah.

00:45:49.600 All of it.

00:45:50.200 Right.

00:45:50.360 And I'll ride the subway.

00:45:51.200 No, no, no, no.

00:45:51.600 The sandwich shop.

00:45:52.920 Oh, that's true.

00:45:53.980 Yeah.

00:45:54.280 And Longworth's cafeteria is better.

00:45:57.020 Yeah.

00:45:57.220 Agreed.

00:45:57.460 Continue, continue.

00:45:57.920 Okay.

00:45:58.100 But anyway.

00:45:58.520 We have derailed every time.

00:45:59.680 I know.

00:46:00.220 I know.

00:46:01.760 But then the second year, then it's back, then it's fundraising because you have to run

00:46:05.320 again.

00:46:05.820 Right?

00:46:06.160 So then the first year is learning.

00:46:07.720 The second year is fundraising.

00:46:08.680 And so if you're saying that there's term limits, that's every two, like they can only

00:46:13.520 have one term or two terms, they're not going to get enough accomplished.

00:46:18.580 It's just not going to happen.

00:46:19.700 But realistically, a two Senate 12 year house could allow the house to function and do

00:46:26.520 term limits.

00:46:26.880 My problem with term, I get both sides of it.

00:46:29.180 My problem with term limits is if you do term limits on members, staff, especially committee

00:46:35.600 staff that are already so powerful, become more powerful.

00:46:38.160 And then if you get rid of term limits, if you do term limits on both, then you have no

00:46:42.600 institutional, long-term institutional knowledge and that's not healthy.

00:46:46.400 And so I hate to be like a Debbie Downer of all problems, no solutions, but that's the

00:46:50.660 truth.

00:46:50.820 What if, what if after two terms, the member and all of their staff are fired out of a

00:46:57.380 cannon into the sun?

00:46:57.960 Okay.

00:46:58.120 So here's the other thing.

00:46:58.860 But then you're saying they can't go lobby.

00:47:03.540 So you, your options after you leave the Hill are almost, it's either go into consulting,

00:47:08.500 go into lobbying or government affairs and that's it.

00:47:11.580 Your other, everywhere else you're pretty much on hireable.

00:47:14.100 The skills aren't compatible anywhere else.

00:47:16.440 That was a Futurama joke, by the way.

00:47:17.800 I stole it.

00:47:18.480 You know me, I know no pop culture references, but.

00:47:21.360 24 year old joke.

00:47:23.340 Still, didn't know it then either.

00:47:25.140 But no, like, so I think that, I think that a good place to start would be raising salaries

00:47:31.200 for staffers, number one.

00:47:32.460 So you're not getting like.

00:47:34.160 Salary.

00:47:34.940 Salaries on the Hill got raised after you left.

00:47:36.920 Oh.

00:47:37.800 As soon as I leave.

00:47:38.380 Are you ready for this now?

00:47:39.840 It was the dumbest thing too.

00:47:41.180 Here's some inside baseball.

00:47:42.540 Here's some inside baseball.

00:47:43.040 What was your first, before you say that, what was your first time on the Hill?

00:47:46.260 What was your salary?

00:47:47.020 $35,000.

00:47:47.700 I was 36.

00:47:48.160 So I was 33, 30,000, but I was given an extra $3,000 to make sure that I have comfortably

00:47:56.380 moved in.

00:47:56.900 But then I realized it was as if it was a $33,000 a year salary.

00:48:01.160 So I got maybe like 400 bucks a month.

00:48:03.840 Yeah.

00:48:04.200 Extra.

00:48:04.760 And then that was taken away.

00:48:06.660 And you can't afford to live in DC.

00:48:08.620 You can't live off of that.

00:48:09.800 So they changed.

00:48:10.800 So they did a bunch of stuff.

00:48:11.720 They changed the rules.

00:48:13.220 Minimum salary on the house is now $45,000 a year, even for staff assistant.

00:48:16.700 And, but here's the thing, uh, this is maybe people don't care about this, but this is

00:48:21.980 inside baseball.

00:48:22.620 That's what we're talking about on this pod.

00:48:24.260 Uh, the MRA, that is the fund, the pot of money that the whole office operates off of

00:48:29.700 you give or given a pot of money for two years, a congressional term, um, that went up in the

00:48:35.300 house by 19%.

00:48:37.420 So we're talking multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars a couple of years ago and did not

00:48:44.120 go up at all in the Senate.

00:48:45.640 So now traditionally Senate staffers get paid way more, how staffers are getting paid way

00:48:51.620 more than Senate staffers now, because they got a 19% bump in Senate.

00:48:55.200 What do you do with this money?

00:48:56.500 Like, so what, what's the total amount a member of Congress will get for their office when

00:48:59.800 they, a couple million, two, two point something.

00:49:02.080 Yeah.

00:49:02.460 It depends on the size of your office.

00:49:03.860 So if you're, if you're in leadership, it's more, right.

00:49:06.420 But I think it's around, I think it's around like two to 5,000 per, two to 5 million per

00:49:11.620 office.

00:49:11.940 So with that office, could they choose to just pay their staffs a ridiculous amount of

00:49:15.760 money?

00:49:16.220 Oh, they could.

00:49:17.040 But instead, there's a cap.

00:49:18.700 It's cap.

00:49:19.280 There's a limit.

00:49:19.820 And that cap went up whenever we're saying passed.

00:49:22.280 Now, chiefs of staff can make more than members.

00:49:24.820 Correct.

00:49:25.240 Wow.

00:49:25.360 But if you go over a certain threshold, you have to do a financial disclosure in our

00:49:29.220 cap for making outside work.

00:49:31.180 So what do you, what do you do with this money?

00:49:32.580 Like pay for the everything, everything, your rent, your supplies, your mailers, mailers.

00:49:38.200 I hate mailers.

00:49:38.820 Wait, what?

00:49:39.380 Mailers.

00:49:39.720 You know how you get those postcards in the mail?

00:49:41.100 Okay.

00:49:41.240 No, I know, but like, isn't that campaigning?

00:49:42.840 No.

00:49:43.140 So, okay.

00:49:45.480 You got a bunch of comms directors here.

00:49:47.360 So there's a whole system surrounding this that frankly, not many members take advantage

00:49:53.760 of because they're not aware of it because they're like, this is campaigning, but you

00:49:57.040 can run Facebook advertisements to your district with TV advertisements, radio advertisements.

00:50:02.940 You can basically campaign, but it's on the stuff that the official congressional office

00:50:07.340 can do.

00:50:08.360 So it's like, are you having trouble with your social security benefits?

00:50:11.960 You can call my office and I will help you.

00:50:14.220 I'm Congressman Wolfball and I'm, you know.

00:50:15.940 But forget just social security, but if you could say, all right, so here's a campaign

00:50:19.680 ad, uh, you know, I'm Luke Ball and if you vote for me, I'll secure the border.

00:50:28.820 That's a campaign ad.

00:50:29.880 You can't say that.

00:50:30.480 You can't say that.

00:50:30.980 So you say, I'm Luke Ball and I'm voting to secure the border.

00:50:34.520 Taxpayer dollars.

00:50:35.320 Yep.

00:50:35.700 Yeah.

00:50:35.820 There's franking.

00:50:36.580 Everything has to go through like franking approval.

00:50:38.740 But, but what happens is, is that there's a blackout period.

00:50:41.380 So that's why it's harder for people to run against incumbents because they have access

00:50:46.260 to all these people that's paid for, not out of campaign funds, but out of the MRA, which

00:50:50.420 is taxpayer dollars.

00:50:51.460 What does MRA stand for?

00:50:52.920 Members something allowance.

00:50:54.940 Yeah.

00:50:55.780 Let's Google it.

00:50:57.220 But, but then the only stipulations they really have is the wording, like we said before.

00:51:01.640 And then there's that blackout period.

00:51:03.320 Members representational allowance.

00:51:04.860 So 90 days before a primary or before the general election, you can't use the MRA to

00:51:10.520 communicate with constituents.

00:51:12.160 And this is how they get around the loophole.

00:51:14.100 They consider it communicating with constituents and not, you know, campaigning, right?

00:51:19.200 Up until 90 days before a primary or before a general election.

00:51:22.600 And so what they do is they'll say, they talk about constituent services, the bills they've

00:51:26.580 passed, all, they do telephone town halls.

00:51:29.280 So think about all that money just to send out a mailer to like 70,000 people is like $35,000.

00:51:34.780 Right?

00:51:35.000 Like it's, you could pay for like 10 more staffers on what you just do on mailing budgets.

00:51:40.200 So here's a good overdo it story.

00:51:41.820 There's a congressman from Georgia, Paul Brown.

00:51:44.040 He got to, he gets elected in a special election.

00:51:46.400 Big upset, wasn't supposed to win.

00:51:47.840 He's in a real competitive reelect.

00:51:50.900 He sends out 14 full voter database mailers.

00:51:58.980 That's about 20 to $30,000 a pop.

00:52:01.860 He sends out 14.

00:52:03.460 Like 300 grand.

00:52:04.500 Yeah.

00:52:05.240 Bankrupts.

00:52:05.680 His office had to let staffers go because he sent out so many mailers.

00:52:09.480 I don't know.

00:52:10.420 I don't know who's not paying attention, but while you're sending these out, you can have

00:52:13.380 surveys where they write back or they, you know, take a QR code and go, and then you

00:52:17.480 build your list.

00:52:18.320 That's when you list build.

00:52:19.100 So now you can reach all those people on your list through newsletters or any type of communication

00:52:26.440 during that blackout period too.

00:52:28.160 So basically if people opt in, you get to communicate.

00:52:29.900 What do you need staffers for?

00:52:31.400 Like what do they do for the member?

00:52:33.200 What do you need members for?

00:52:35.840 Yeah.

00:52:36.340 So we'll talk about the hierarchy of the congressional office.

00:52:38.980 You've got the member.

00:52:39.780 The chief of staff is the person that basically is directly accountable to the member and then

00:52:43.640 handles everyone else in the office.

00:52:45.600 Generally, there's a deputy chief of staff.

00:52:47.780 Sometimes there's not.

00:52:49.000 Under that is a communications director and a legislative director, and that's kind of

00:52:52.160 the two splits in an office.

00:52:53.880 There's also operations and scheduling, but that kind of will fall under its own unique

00:52:57.320 category.

00:52:58.200 The legislative side with legislative assistance, the legislative director and the legislative

00:53:03.220 correspondent will deal with, just as it sounds, writing the bills, getting the bills,

00:53:07.740 you know, introduced into Congress.

00:53:09.340 Primary job there, reading and vote rec.

00:53:11.660 Congressman, here are these four bills this week.

00:53:13.460 So basically how it operates is, imagine you had this like...

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00:54:47.040 Small to medium-sized company where there was one person who was on camera complaining all

00:54:52.260 the time, but that made all the money and then everyone else did the work.

00:54:55.900 Yeah.

00:54:56.380 So that's basically like what we do.

00:54:57.900 You have to think about it.

00:54:59.120 You have to think about it this way.

00:55:00.520 Like there are so many bills that are introduced and he, like the member cannot be an expert

00:55:05.020 in an issue area on all of it.

00:55:08.260 I mean, he would just be sitting.

00:55:09.540 Some members do.

00:55:10.180 I would say very few, but to be a subject expert in everything that comes up is pretty

00:55:17.140 hard to do.

00:55:17.660 So they rely heavily on their legislative assistants and the legislative directors.

00:55:21.200 And then legislative correspondent takes care of all the intake about like constituents

00:55:25.960 writing in and what goes back out to them.

00:55:27.960 And when you're in the minority, you're basically just messaging the entire time.

00:55:31.280 So Madison took a lot of flack for basically saying, I've built my staff around communications,

00:55:35.420 but he was doing it while we were in the minority.

00:55:37.100 So any legislation that's written is strictly communications.

00:55:40.300 In Gates's office, there was one bill that was written that would basically strip Adam

00:55:44.500 Schiff of his security briefing.

00:55:47.460 And so we named it the Pencil Act.

00:55:50.340 After Pencil Act, it was preventing extreme negligence with classified information licenses.

00:55:55.700 I came up with the acronym.

00:55:57.560 Matt came up and the lead shop came up with the whole concept itself.

00:56:01.300 But we introduced that.

00:56:03.060 And then he got on Tucker.

00:56:04.100 He got on, you know, a ton of media.

00:56:06.060 You could not Google Adam Schiff without it being the first 25 results.

00:56:09.300 I was going to say like, you know, Laura Loomer ran in Florida, but I think she ran in like

00:56:13.560 a D plus district.

00:56:14.900 I don't know if you guys know exactly where.

00:56:16.660 I think it was Democrat plus.

00:56:18.380 She lost to a Republican and that Republican holds the seat today.

00:56:21.880 So it may now be R plus two.

00:56:23.520 I think it's probably like a R plus one or two district.

00:56:25.780 Yeah.

00:56:26.200 But DeSantis, I think also overhauled the congressional maps that are still in place.

00:56:29.980 I'm just thinking no one is better at getting press than Laura Loomer is.

00:56:34.340 Yeah, that's it.

00:56:34.820 That's a fact.

00:56:35.340 I mean, when she chained herself to the Twitter doors, she.

00:56:38.640 Why do you think leadership didn't want her in there?

00:56:40.420 Yeah, they can't.

00:56:41.240 CLF spent an enormous amount of money.

00:56:43.220 Really?

00:56:44.580 Wow.

00:56:45.100 Because we're talking about how to raise money.

00:56:47.520 And I'm like, you know, Matt Gaetz can raise money from his constituents from his fans.

00:56:51.420 But Laura Loomer took some illegal immigrants and jumped over Nancy Pelosi's wall at her house.

00:56:55.300 But she's not the type that would give it back to the NRCC.

00:57:00.160 No, exactly.

00:57:00.800 Exactly.

00:57:01.140 She's the type that would be like, I'm in charge now.

00:57:02.660 She's like, look at me.

00:57:03.700 I am the captain.

00:57:04.400 Yes, I am the captain.

00:57:05.520 Right.

00:57:05.960 But that's exactly it.

00:57:07.580 They will not let her.

00:57:08.940 I want Laura Loomer in Congress only for the MTG versus Laura Loomer fights.

00:57:13.680 They despise one another.

00:57:15.260 They sure do.

00:57:15.720 They are always going at each other's throats.

00:57:17.520 That's the one I want.

00:57:18.280 I agree that would be interesting, but I really think, man, could you imagine Laura Loomer just like up there yelling at the Democrats?

00:57:26.620 Imagine if she were there last night.

00:57:28.480 I know.

00:57:28.980 Yeah.

00:57:29.460 MTG.

00:57:30.020 Yeah, it's funny.

00:57:30.760 We'll see them go at it.

00:57:31.560 But no, like the reality is when Adam Schiff does anything, I mean, now he might be in the Senate.

00:57:36.200 But when Pelosi is getting all this money, I mean, yeah, Laura Loomer in Congress would have been very good.

00:57:43.780 And that's probably why the Republicans and Democrats went nuts in insulting her and calling her a bunch of names.

00:57:49.300 She'd raise money like no other person.

00:57:51.560 She would beat out AOC.

00:57:53.080 Probably.

00:57:53.780 Yeah.

00:57:55.140 AOC is the Internet's candidate.

00:57:57.040 AOC pulls money.

00:57:58.600 Yep.

00:57:58.960 Like real money.

00:57:59.940 Like she raised $2 million in 36 hours for relief in Texas.

00:58:05.440 Nothing to do with her.

00:58:06.380 She was like, hey, y'all, whenever Texas had like the freeze or whatever, you can check the numbers.

00:58:09.960 That could be wrong.

00:58:10.420 But it's something like multimillion dollars for another state far away, a red state, whenever like a storm came through.

00:58:17.340 Has she quieted down or has the media stopped covering her?

00:58:20.580 She quieted down.

00:58:21.180 They all do eventually.

00:58:22.200 I realized the other day that she must be playing ball a little bit or something for her to calm down because now she's not in the news cycle anymore.

00:58:31.960 She's not even the boogeyman in Washington.

00:58:33.660 I think they went to AOC and said, you can be the next speaker.

00:58:38.440 You will be the leader.

00:58:39.600 In fact, you are possibly going, like you're going to be big Senate maybe, but you've got to play ball.

00:58:45.620 I don't think there's no way she ever becomes speaker.

00:58:47.960 She could be Senate or even president.

00:58:49.760 20, 30 years, she could be speaker.

00:58:50.980 No, no, no.

00:58:51.620 You don't think so?

00:58:52.200 I don't think so because the thing is what it takes to run nationally or statewide and what it takes to be speaker are two.

00:59:00.620 There is a reason that the speaker and majority leader of the Senate are usually some of the two least liked people throughout the United States.

00:59:08.600 She is liked.

00:59:09.460 Her ability is to speak to the people, but not get her colleagues on.

00:59:13.140 Good point.

00:59:13.800 I agree.

00:59:14.160 I agree.

00:59:14.420 On the speaker, you're trying to get as many, like Mike Johnson, right?

00:59:17.800 He's not, he's not Mike Gates.

00:59:19.340 But I bet they went to AOC and they said, you could be the leader of the Democratic Party when you're 60, 70 years old.

00:59:26.100 But you've got to play ball.

00:59:27.800 And AOC, because right away when she gets elected, she's this radical progressive.

00:59:34.160 Israel-Palestine was a big issue.

00:59:35.460 And then I remember as soon as she wins the primary, before she's even in Congress, she's giving this interview where she's now she's playing middle of the road on Israel-Palestine.

00:59:43.380 And she got attacked by the left for it because they're like, we knew it.

00:59:46.580 We knew it because AOC knows she has constituents who are pro-Israel.

00:59:50.660 And she probably talked with Democrat leadership and they said, this will end your career before it starts.

00:59:55.820 I'm also willing to bet that as soon as she gets in, she's quieting down now.

01:00:00.160 They probably said, how would you like to be Democrat Party leadership in 15, 20 years?

01:00:06.500 Be the most well-known politician in this country?

01:00:09.100 Make a real difference.

01:00:09.880 Remember that video she put out where she's like, 30 years from now, here's what it's going to look like.

01:00:13.200 And they said, because you have two options.

01:00:16.020 It's this cartoon where you have gray hair and you're on the train and everyone knows your name and you've changed this country or you're a bartender struggling to get your retirement.

01:00:24.580 And that's not her they're saying that to.

01:00:26.440 That's every member when they're like, somebody says they're going to be in the Freedom Caucus, come up and not play ball.

01:00:31.320 Every single person, they say, do you want to make noise or do you want to make a difference?

01:00:35.200 Now, it would be a real shame for none of your legislation to hit the floor.

01:00:40.060 And we want to see that.

01:00:41.100 You got that piece of bill.

01:00:42.100 Yeah, that's a good bill.

01:00:42.900 We want to see that at the floor, but we've got to fix some things.

01:00:46.200 And this is the kind of conversations that I just I'm going to go out on a limb real quick.

01:00:50.260 The way you're describing this, it makes me really want to be in Congress.

01:00:54.420 No, exactly.

01:00:55.280 And so we were talking about her changing.

01:00:57.920 I don't know, but her chief of staff that she had when she first came on to Capitol Hill left in a pretty public way.

01:01:05.580 Who's her chief of staff now?

01:01:07.380 And what did he work for before?

01:01:09.400 Is it functionally her husband?

01:01:10.540 He runs all of the unofficial side.

01:01:11.660 I don't know, but I wonder if the staff that surrounded her were aligned with leadership to quiet her down and put her in line.

01:01:18.360 Because I think they have so much enormous power by coming around somebody who's brand new to Congress and very young to actually influence the direction.

01:01:26.100 Leadership will do staffer coups.

01:01:27.600 So they did that with the Republican Study Committee.

01:01:30.120 So we know the Freedom Caucus now, right?

01:01:32.000 The Republican Study Committee, RSC, used to be the Freedom Caucus.

01:01:35.300 It was the organization that pulled Republicans to the right.

01:01:38.480 Yep.

01:01:38.760 And what they did was, it was actually, Boehner did a coup.

01:01:44.040 He replaced the staffer.

01:01:46.080 The staffer that was there, he became very powerful as a staffer and was moving legislation, changing bills single-handedly, very powerful.

01:01:55.760 They got him out.

01:01:57.920 They did a change in leadership.

01:02:00.720 This is whenever Tom Graves was running against Scalise.

01:02:04.000 And they got a leadership-friendly person in and ran and took it over.

01:02:07.140 All that to say, they got a staffer change first.

01:02:10.100 And they will do these moves where they will get staffers in positions to fix problems.

01:02:14.980 What I meant to say when it makes me want to be in Congress is that I'm a shithead, and I would just make everyone's day so miserable in every possible way.

01:02:23.120 Yeah.

01:02:23.460 You know, it's like, the more I hear about how awful these people are, I'm like, man, I really wish I could just make their days worse.

01:02:28.620 But I could probably do that more effectively with having a big show.

01:02:31.140 So I'll just, I'll endeavor.

01:02:32.440 I will endeavor to make the lives of these.

01:02:34.120 You could ruin their day by, like, picking one member of Congress right now that you're pissed off at and then read off the office's phone number and say, everyone call this.

01:02:43.720 Now we've said this, and now I'm going to be the one responsible for...

01:02:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:48.420 Here we go.

01:02:49.400 ...completely ruining...

01:02:51.280 All right.

01:02:51.960 Let's go.

01:02:52.420 Are we going forward?

01:02:53.280 We're just going down a list of people?

01:02:55.540 Yeah.

01:02:56.400 I don't like how this list is comprised.

01:02:58.140 There's too many.

01:02:58.220 It's 104.

01:02:58.900 You're going to have to narrow that down.

01:03:00.900 Wait.

01:03:01.180 Can we do the 40 instead of this?

01:03:02.640 I mean, that's a good one.

01:03:03.920 How every representative voted when it comes to expelling George Santos.

01:03:08.460 It's really, really easy, my friends, for me to go to the list and be like,

01:03:12.060 let's pick someone who voted not to expel Santos and then encourage people to support that person.

01:03:16.880 So Marjorie Taylor Greene or, like, Thomas Massey, Jim George.

01:03:21.420 It's easy.

01:03:22.300 And the funny thing is, am I going to sing out a Democrat?

01:03:27.380 Well, no.

01:03:28.100 They're Democrats.

01:03:28.800 The problem is the Republicans that voted to expel George Santos.

01:03:33.060 So let me just make sure we have all of our details correct.

01:03:36.440 Mr. Santos, 105 Republicans voted yes.

01:03:41.100 And so we will.

01:03:42.520 I would expel them.

01:03:43.020 Do either one of you want to pick a name at random?

01:03:44.920 Oh, right there at the top.

01:03:45.920 Which one?

01:03:46.320 Go back up.

01:03:47.180 And now be careful.

01:03:47.760 Dan Crenshaw.

01:03:49.400 I didn't say any names.

01:03:50.700 No, we got to be careful.

01:03:51.700 We can all agree on that.

01:03:52.700 Be civil.

01:03:53.500 We can all agree on this.

01:03:54.160 When you speak to these people.

01:03:55.800 Yeah.

01:03:56.060 Be very polite.

01:03:56.900 Like, never you call and you ask them why they support.

01:04:00.880 Didn't he do gun control?

01:04:02.060 But we support.

01:04:02.720 Find a zip code that is in their district or they can hang up on you.

01:04:06.980 Red flag laws?

01:04:08.160 Is this pro red flag laws?

01:04:10.460 Be nice.

01:04:11.060 I think.

01:04:11.580 I don't want to.

01:04:12.060 If I'm not sure, I don't want to say yes, though.

01:04:13.800 But 40.

01:04:14.260 Over 40% of his primary just voted against him.

01:04:16.520 Again, I'm not.

01:04:17.100 Wait, really?

01:04:17.800 Yeah.

01:04:18.040 He almost lost in his primary.

01:04:20.380 So he just won his primary.

01:04:22.640 Yeah.

01:04:22.920 Barely.

01:04:23.120 Oh, OK.

01:04:23.460 So we had Jameson Ellis on.

01:04:25.080 OK, nice.

01:04:25.580 He got like 44% of the vote against an incumbent.

01:04:28.680 Wow.

01:04:28.960 We have very hard to do.

01:04:30.200 OK, so so I want to make sure this is very, very clear when they're saying be polite.

01:04:36.120 100%.

01:04:36.520 You know, I didn't do congressional stuff.

01:04:38.120 I did nonprofit fundraising.

01:04:39.560 I will tell you this.

01:04:41.040 If you are angry, click.

01:04:43.560 Don't care what you have to say at all.

01:04:45.480 If you are stupid and confused, they get worried.

01:04:49.880 I can't speak for Congress.

01:04:51.160 But if someone called up and said, I heard that you guys are supporting bad thing.

01:04:58.320 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:04:59.460 We're not supporting bad thing.

01:05:00.480 But it says here you did bad thing.

01:05:03.320 Like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:05:04.140 They get really, really worried about if someone is really dumb sounding.

01:05:08.500 That means regular people are hearing something that is bad for us.

01:05:11.700 And those people like passionate, angry people.

01:05:15.800 They OK, we get it.

01:05:19.380 But regular people, that's what's scary.

01:05:21.540 So these nonprofits would do postcard mailers where they would send out a 20 year old with

01:05:26.140 10 postcards each to get them signed.

01:05:28.020 What happens?

01:05:28.800 A member of Congress gets a pile of 3000 postcards on one day.

01:05:32.240 And they're very, very generic.

01:05:33.900 And they're like, OK, OK, we've got a campaign running against us when whenever we would get

01:05:39.400 someone screaming at us.

01:05:40.320 It's like, you don't matter.

01:05:41.600 You're not convincible.

01:05:42.980 I have.

01:05:43.600 There's no reason to argue with you.

01:05:44.960 But if you sound stupid and confused, I might be able to win you over.

01:05:48.720 I don't know if that's the same for you guys.

01:05:50.300 No, exactly.

01:05:51.060 And, you know, we encourage participation in the entire process and calling in and having

01:05:56.720 a conversation.

01:05:57.760 First of all, you're going to speak to a first line staffer who doesn't know what on earth

01:06:01.960 is going on half the time anyway.

01:06:03.700 And they're not going to be able to basically pass along the message or even be incentivized

01:06:08.260 to do it if you're calling and screaming at them and cussing at them, because then there's

01:06:12.020 generally sometimes a policy in the office, or at least there was in my office, was like,

01:06:15.400 if they're just cursing at you, that's not productive.

01:06:17.600 You hang up, you call and articulate your position and you say it and you give the information

01:06:21.000 that's passed along to the member.

01:06:22.300 That is a civil participation in the entire process.

01:06:25.080 But an overwhelming amount of those people calling in can help sway in a particular direction

01:06:30.620 on any given issue.

01:06:31.520 I will say that that's if you're in the district, right?

01:06:34.340 Because one of the first questions you'll get asked on the phone is, what's your address

01:06:37.520 or what's your zip code?

01:06:38.440 Because they do not have to, because of like the MRA, they do not have to waste their dollars

01:06:43.720 on staffers paying a staffer to talk to people outside of their district.

01:06:47.760 So if you call up, because I use to answer phones, if you call up and you're not in the

01:06:52.820 district, they can just hang up on you.

01:06:54.540 They do not have to speak to you at all.

01:06:56.340 Can we, this is a good list.

01:06:58.180 I'd like to go to a different list if we can.

01:06:59.640 Can we go to the Republicans that just voted for the CR?

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01:08:30.280 The 40 Republicans that just voted to fund Nancy Pelosi's government.

01:08:37.400 This is a continuation of all the funding things she wanted.

01:08:40.340 This one's a lot harder to search for because we'd have to go to like...

01:08:43.940 It just happened, right?

01:08:45.160 Yeah, so we'd have to go to like...

01:08:46.860 Congress.gov.

01:08:47.620 Oh, because it just happened.

01:08:48.440 Congress.gov?

01:08:49.160 Yeah.

01:08:50.060 Do we know what the bill number is for it?

01:08:51.800 HR what?

01:08:52.660 It's easy when you guys are here.

01:08:54.560 If you go to Congress.gov and you type in...

01:08:55.880 I don't know, we're still detoxing from the bill.

01:08:57.000 HR.

01:08:57.640 I can't even spell HR anymore.

01:08:58.840 Or just type in continuing resolution.

01:08:59.660 It should come up, right?

01:09:00.400 So go...

01:09:01.920 On the floor today, we have...

01:09:03.820 It would be yesterday, right?

01:09:04.740 Or the day before?

01:09:05.480 Yeah, just type...

01:09:06.400 That's not it, isn't it?

01:09:07.840 Tax relief.

01:09:08.820 Secure the border.

01:09:09.740 Life at Conception Act.

01:09:11.040 Oh, how fun.

01:09:12.080 Type up in there like HR and then I guess one of the guys will tell me what because I

01:09:15.560 don't have a phone on me.

01:09:16.360 Maybe I do.

01:09:19.100 Continuing resolution.

01:09:20.080 Which one is it?

01:09:21.500 All the congressional firepower in this one room, we can't...

01:09:23.880 Well, I actually, it was just yesterday.

01:09:25.540 So I just...

01:09:26.040 Here we go.

01:09:27.300 Are you sure it was yesterday?

01:09:28.600 No.

01:09:29.600 But it probably was.

01:09:30.840 They don't pass these regularly.

01:09:31.900 CRs don't pass regularly.

01:09:32.600 Well, yesterday was Lake and Riley, biodetection, dental health, expanding access to the Capitol

01:09:38.780 and end fentanyl.

01:09:40.480 All right.

01:09:40.740 Here, I'm going to find it in just a second.

01:09:42.060 Maybe it was...

01:09:42.640 So, but this is one...

01:09:44.160 This is one where...

01:09:45.600 Again, this is frustrating because I think a lot of us had a lot of hope for Mike Johnson

01:09:51.980 coming in and I speak of that as like, it was kind of a...

01:09:55.180 I like him.

01:09:55.980 Yeah.

01:09:56.220 He's a nice guy.

01:09:57.020 He really is.

01:09:57.840 And I don't just say that as like a throwaway.

01:09:59.280 He's...

01:09:59.640 March 6th.

01:10:00.140 He really is a good man.

01:10:00.920 Government funding.

01:10:01.680 Congressional record.

01:10:02.260 Is this it?

01:10:02.680 Yes.

01:10:04.340 Oh, this is congressional record.

01:10:06.020 Yeah.

01:10:06.240 So then you go down.

01:10:07.040 So there should be a toggle on the top.

01:10:08.540 It should say vote.

01:10:10.020 Like, see how up there?

01:10:11.500 I can't see it because I'm blind.

01:10:13.020 See up there?

01:10:13.560 Yeah.

01:10:13.680 Uh, House of Representatives.

01:10:16.420 Yeah.

01:10:16.900 Yeah.

01:10:17.080 Go there and then go...

01:10:18.420 This is your idea, Ben, so we're laying it at your...

01:10:19.820 I'm sorry, y'all.

01:10:20.900 So then these...

01:10:22.180 Some of these are amendments.

01:10:23.080 Celebrating contributions of black women, congressional record.

01:10:25.480 Yeah.

01:10:25.620 These are amendments that they voted yes or no on, right?

01:10:27.800 Yeah.

01:10:28.020 So this is not...

01:10:29.000 So if I type in the continuing...

01:10:31.140 No, you should have the whole thing.

01:10:32.200 Like there should be one on there where there...

01:10:33.700 It's a yes or no vote on the whole thing.

01:10:35.460 Well, how...

01:10:35.980 What would it be titled?

01:10:36.700 Because...

01:10:37.180 I don't know.

01:10:37.900 CR?

01:10:38.360 I can't see anything.

01:10:39.740 No, it wouldn't be that.

01:10:41.360 What's the name of the CR?

01:10:43.040 Congratulating Athlete's Congressional Record.

01:10:45.320 See the stuff that Congress does on any given day?

01:10:48.440 It's passing the...

01:10:49.860 What day does that say over there?

01:10:51.720 This is March 6th.

01:10:52.480 Ah, dang it.

01:10:53.360 I found it on the post and it's blocked.

01:10:56.120 We don't have the bill number?

01:10:56.920 Behind a paywall?

01:10:57.920 Yeah.

01:11:00.080 All right, so March 6th was...

01:11:00.760 Why I be sending to post my money?

01:11:02.720 Hold on.

01:11:03.120 March 5th.

01:11:05.160 Let's see.

01:11:06.660 What day was it?

01:11:08.180 The legislation...

01:11:09.320 Previous question.

01:11:10.320 It looks like it was...

01:11:11.440 Is it this right here?

01:11:12.340 Is it HR 684?

01:11:13.900 It's the minibus, right?

01:11:15.740 Yeah.

01:11:16.180 Mm-hmm.

01:11:16.640 No, natural gas continuing support.

01:11:20.460 Last Thursday.

01:11:22.340 Yeah, but I...

01:11:23.440 Bill number...

01:11:24.020 I'm looking right here.

01:11:25.020 This website is not easy to...

01:11:25.500 All right, well, anyways, 40 Republicans pushed it over with all Democrats, basically all Democrats,

01:11:32.660 to continue to find places spending its garbage.

01:11:35.940 Is it expanding access to the Capital Act?

01:11:37.740 Is that it?

01:11:38.300 I'm just going to text my wife.

01:11:39.160 2-7-9-9?

01:11:40.640 Whatever, I don't...

01:11:41.660 What was the minibus?

01:11:44.300 Oh, yeah, that's...

01:11:44.960 I could have just texted my chief and asked her.

01:11:48.360 Okay, so here's what they call it, delaying government shutdown.

01:11:50.380 That's the website I was looking for.

01:11:51.400 Washington Post?

01:11:52.420 Mm-hmm.

01:11:52.860 How each House member voted on delaying a government shutdown.

01:11:55.620 Is that what they're saying?

01:11:56.560 Yeah, that's what they're saying.

01:11:57.180 I like shutdowns.

01:11:58.180 I don't care.

01:11:58.620 So these are the people who voted, did not vote.

01:12:03.180 Are they saying supported the bill?

01:12:06.680 Supporting delaying a shutdown is supporting the continuing resolution.

01:12:09.000 So let's get down to the...

01:12:10.320 Skip the blues.

01:12:11.000 We want the reds.

01:12:12.900 All right, here we go.

01:12:13.600 Oh, wow.

01:12:14.220 Did you see who...

01:12:15.500 Look who's...

01:12:16.420 I'm not going to be responsible, Ben.

01:12:18.040 Dan Crenshaw?

01:12:18.600 Oh, people really don't like Dan Crenshaw.

01:12:21.500 I'm scratching one.

01:12:22.600 So whenever his fall from grace happened, the Freedom Caucus's comms chat was all just

01:12:28.040 like, couldn't have happened to a better guy.

01:12:30.420 Like, it was because we all knew, like, those who were close to it knew that the base kind

01:12:35.400 of conservatives loved him from the whole, like, ads he did and the whole, like, coming

01:12:39.680 onto the scene against the SNL guy and all that.

01:12:42.520 Texas delegation members don't even like him.

01:12:44.520 We need a website where you can load two bills and then it'll show you who supported

01:12:49.680 both.

01:12:50.480 You know what I mean?

01:12:51.380 So I could take the expelling George Santos and the continuing resolution, load them both,

01:12:56.140 and then it'll show you here are the members that voted yes on both and no on both.

01:12:59.100 Yeah.

01:13:00.200 Because then we could really take a look.

01:13:02.780 I will say this, though.

01:13:04.000 Didn't they defund a great deal, federal agencies?

01:13:08.280 Like, didn't Mike Johnson announce they're cutting, like, three to seven percent between,

01:13:11.120 like, the CIA and ATF and stuff like that?

01:13:14.520 If you scroll down a little bit for me, I'm trying to look for something.

01:13:18.560 Oh, good.

01:13:19.400 Oh, good.

01:13:20.600 You're looking for somebody.

01:13:21.920 I am.

01:13:22.360 I'm like, oh, good.

01:13:23.740 I mean, maybe.

01:13:24.500 Should we just.

01:13:25.060 It still didn't do anything on the border, which is the number one issue Americans care

01:13:27.800 about right now.

01:13:28.640 Steve Scalise voted in favor of it.

01:13:30.520 Yeah, that's not superstition.

01:13:32.820 However, whoever, he didn't.

01:13:34.180 Carol Miller of West Virginia voted yes.

01:13:36.400 And she voted no to expelling Santos.

01:13:38.780 It's interesting because you can basically have a list of people in leadership's office

01:13:46.100 who know that if they pick up the phone and say, you must vote this way, even if you

01:13:50.840 want to vote in another way, and there's a term for that, it's called getting rolled.

01:13:53.740 You basically show up and you're going to vote one way and it's your conscience and you're

01:13:57.640 going to vote your district.

01:13:58.700 And they had a story of basically one member going down there and voting one way and he

01:14:03.500 was trying to sneak out real quick, go to the bathroom.

01:14:05.200 And Boehner taps him on the shoulder and is like, what are you doing?

01:14:08.560 Like, you know what the right vote for you is.

01:14:10.680 Do you want to call Madison?

01:14:12.120 I'll give him a call real quick.

01:14:13.000 He hasn't texted me back.

01:14:14.040 Ah, okay.

01:14:14.580 It's like early in the morning.

01:14:15.800 You know what I mean?

01:14:16.260 He's still waking up.

01:14:17.600 A long time in Florida.

01:14:18.900 The other thing with that is too, if there's like a tense vote where they're whipping votes

01:14:22.280 and, you know, they know that they have the number they need to pass it and you

01:14:27.040 want to be a team player and like vote with that, but your district would oppose, you can

01:14:31.260 forgo certain votes.

01:14:33.200 Like you could say, okay, I'm not going to vote for this one.

01:14:35.300 It'll piss my district off.

01:14:37.640 You might have to talk about sex and orgies.

01:14:41.840 He's got Madison coughing on the phone.

01:14:43.640 All right.

01:14:45.060 Okay, Madison, you're on.

01:14:47.440 Cam, how are you?

01:14:48.400 Hey, what's going on, man?

01:14:49.300 Thanks for calling in.

01:14:50.720 Hey, man, anybody who's friends with Luke Balls.

01:14:54.520 I don't know if I want to claim that.

01:14:56.120 We got a handful of people who were talking about just how DC works and I'm fascinated

01:15:02.660 to find out how this bidding stuff works and how people spend money and how the story of

01:15:06.700 Matt Gaetz having to spend half a million dollars to get the committees he wants.

01:15:09.480 And then, of course, the subject of sex, drugs, and rock and roll came up, you know, and we

01:15:13.980 were like, we got to call Madison.

01:15:15.820 I was right across the hall from you, Madison.

01:15:17.620 I was never invited.

01:15:18.540 I'm offended.

01:15:19.160 I'm just going to say that.

01:15:20.040 That really is offensive, I can imagine.

01:15:23.000 Thank you.

01:15:23.380 But I will say, when it comes to the bidding issues and the bidding wars, I mean, it's

01:15:29.060 not necessarily like for every single committee there is a set price.

01:15:34.320 Normally, for your A committees, you know, you have to raise either half a million to a

01:15:38.740 little bit higher than that.

01:15:39.860 For your B committees, it's like $300,000.

01:15:42.540 And then your C committees, that's just where they put people who don't want to raise the

01:15:46.500 money.

01:15:47.480 But how do you get invited?

01:15:48.740 So now, to just kind of ruin the serious nature of your expertise, how do you get invited

01:15:54.420 to the cocaine sex orgies?

01:15:56.960 I guess you'd just be the youngest person on the hill.

01:16:01.340 Hey, Madison.

01:16:02.440 The youngest person.

01:16:04.080 It's like a Herbert the Pervit.

01:16:05.640 You want to swing by my cocaine sex orgies party?

01:16:09.320 Madison.

01:16:10.120 Madison, Vince Stout here.

01:16:11.560 Question for you.

01:16:12.720 We were just talking about members getting rolled and kind of swung on votes.

01:16:16.380 What was the hardest leadership ever pushed on you for a vote?

01:16:20.560 And who kind of executed?

01:16:21.840 And what was that kind of process like for the hardest you ever got pushed on on a vote?

01:16:25.060 You know what?

01:16:25.920 The hardest I ever got aggressively pushed was not necessarily about a vote.

01:16:32.320 It was actually about who my chief of staff was.

01:16:34.540 Um, I remember I, I was there, I was literally just talking about that.

01:16:39.320 Yeah, it was during freshman orientation and it was like probably 10 30 at night.

01:16:43.500 I was in my, in my office and then I got a call from a pretty high ranking member.

01:16:47.680 I won't say their name because they're not necessarily a bad person.

01:16:50.000 Um, and then went over down to their office, someone from my state.

01:16:55.020 And, uh, then they just kind of started telling me, well, this is, this is a list of people

01:16:59.620 that we think would make good chiefs of staff for you.

01:17:01.940 And then we'd know you're a team player.

01:17:03.740 Wow.

01:17:04.220 And then they kind of walked out what being a team player meant and that, you know,

01:17:07.400 you'd have the, uh, the support of the conference and everything.

01:17:10.380 And I was like, yeah, no.

01:17:12.740 So I think it's fairly obvious the machine did not like you.

01:17:16.420 Um, no, no, I mean, you know, it's just, and especially when you have the support of

01:17:21.520 the people, that's the thing that they, they pretty much resent the most just because then

01:17:25.140 they know that then whenever you go out and try and start messaging and, you know, Luke

01:17:29.360 was one of my communications and he was the best in the business.

01:17:31.880 So it could really start pushing, um, a lot of public opinion that would just kind of

01:17:36.520 change a significant amount of things.

01:17:38.580 I think, especially on Capitol Hill, uh, that was, I think the perception that, uh, most

01:17:44.760 of us have is that they, they, they assisted in launching a primary against you because

01:17:48.840 you were disruptive.

01:17:49.500 They didn't like you and they wanted to replace you.

01:17:54.340 Yeah.

01:17:54.780 I mean, it's pretty ridiculous when you have a, uh, a high ranking Senator get involved

01:18:00.080 in your own primary, um, in your own state.

01:18:02.840 That's, that was a, uh, that's true.

01:18:04.460 A shocking blow.

01:18:05.480 But, you know, at the end of the day, you know, that I think, I think you can always

01:18:10.380 judge yourself by the enemies you make.

01:18:11.840 And I hate most everyone in Washington, DC, so I'm on their enemies pretty well.

01:18:16.520 That's a bummer though.

01:18:17.920 That's, it's, it's, it feels like, you know, with all due respect to Thomas Massey, he still

01:18:22.900 ends up defending McCarthy for a variety of reasons.

01:18:25.400 And he's talking about the concessions that he gets, you know, he mentioned that he got,

01:18:29.880 he got put in the, uh, uh, the, the, the funding bill that if it does go to a continuing

01:18:34.580 resolution, everything drops by 1% and he'll take it.

01:18:37.300 And I'm like, that's cool, but it doesn't really feel like we're getting anything done.

01:18:40.720 It's, it feels like we're, we're chipping away at a, at a monolith.

01:18:43.500 You know, you took out a little pebble with a little hammer and it's not really changing

01:18:46.540 much.

01:18:48.120 And you know what, the thing that's most frustrating about that is for the last, you know, 30 or

01:18:52.320 40 years, we, uh, we, we kind of have inherited a, uh, a movement that has just kneeled the

01:18:58.980 knee every single time to say, Oh, we'll give up six inches here.

01:19:02.380 We'll give up six inches there.

01:19:03.600 And to where now when we are the ones who are having to actually deal with this, we're

01:19:07.920 several miles behind where we started, uh, back, you know, in the 1960s.

01:19:12.120 And so at that, at that point, it's like, you know what, unfortunately we don't have time

01:19:15.640 to make these little, you know, genteel politics, small, minor changes to the things we need

01:19:21.180 radical change and we need to rock the boat.

01:19:23.740 Madison, I got a question for you real quick.

01:19:25.280 And I know you probably got to go soon, but, um, here's a question for you.

01:19:27.920 We know that we know the rock stars.

01:19:29.380 We're talking about the people that are loud.

01:19:30.980 We know, you know, Matt Gates and, and others who are loud and out there out front.

01:19:35.360 Um, but who are some people that you were like, that's a person I would follow.

01:19:39.440 That's a person who's here for the right reasons or who thinks intellectually or things like

01:19:43.720 that, that may, may not have the same platform.

01:19:46.400 Who was somebody who left actually being like, who, you know, again, another one, Byron Donalds.

01:19:51.040 We know he's great, but he's also out front.

01:19:52.540 Who's a person who you left being like, they're super solid, but a lot of people don't know

01:19:55.360 it.

01:19:55.560 Um, you know what, uh, Phil, I mean, you said Byron Donalds.

01:20:00.140 He's my favorite.

01:20:00.740 That's literally why I moved down to Florida after I got done.

01:20:02.980 But I would say people who are less known, uh, would be a guy named Tim Burchett.

01:20:07.600 Um, he's pretty phenomenal.

01:20:09.020 You gotta have Tim.

01:20:09.580 Um, Lisa McClain.

01:20:11.640 She is just kind of a, a dynamo powerhouse.

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01:21:40.760 And then I'm trying to think of, you know, those are kind of the best ones I know that

01:21:48.780 most, usually if people are super solid and rock stars, normally they're pretty well known

01:21:54.640 for it because it's just rare to have that.

01:21:57.540 Yeah.

01:21:57.900 Can we, you know, I'll try and keep it as academic as we can, but the story about the sex parties

01:22:04.440 and everything, I mean, this story comes out, everybody is mocking you for having brought

01:22:09.940 it up.

01:22:10.340 But then of course we get this viral, disgusting video out of the, one of the Senate, Senate

01:22:14.480 offices of, I don't even want to say.

01:22:16.560 That was the Dems.

01:22:17.440 The Republicans don't do that.

01:22:18.740 For sure.

01:22:19.160 For sure.

01:22:19.480 But I'm curious.

01:22:20.540 Yeah.

01:22:20.720 You know, without getting too, I guess, just silly with it, like what, what's the degree

01:22:25.580 of like corruption when it comes to people are doing illicit drugs, they're having parties

01:22:29.800 where they're like the debauchery.

01:22:31.300 What's that?

01:22:32.180 And anybody feel free to jump in.

01:22:33.780 I never saw any of that.

01:22:34.740 There's a lot of alcohol abuse.

01:22:36.500 There's a lot of alcohol abuse.

01:22:38.040 But I've never seen drugs.

01:22:38.980 There's an undertone on Capitol Hill where, first of all, it's very stressful.

01:22:42.960 And so people look for outlets to release.

01:22:45.700 And, you know, there's just a mentality there.

01:22:48.200 And I say this, and I think Madison would agree, that's probably the greatest square

01:22:51.380 footage of spiritual warfare in the entire nation.

01:22:55.260 Maybe the world.

01:22:56.020 Yeah, the world.

01:22:57.340 So people look for vices and other ways to try to get off energy, frankly.

01:23:02.840 And it's not good.

01:23:04.940 And the whole culture.

01:23:05.940 When that story broke of those two guys, I'm just going to say, I just, it's disgusting,

01:23:09.420 but they were filming gay porn sex in the Senate in one of the rooms.

01:23:14.540 Everyone said Madison was right.

01:23:16.280 No.

01:23:16.600 Yeah.

01:23:16.780 And Madison tweeted, I told you.

01:23:20.020 Yeah, but I, I don't, I guess Madison.

01:23:23.360 You know, I'll tell you, again, I think it all just comes back down to spiritual warfare.

01:23:27.940 Like, just what Luke was saying.

01:23:29.640 That's something I believe in more than, you know, the physical world.

01:23:32.960 It's just, you know, that there is a conflict going on up there.

01:23:36.380 And I think that attacking people's, you know, just sinful nature is exactly the best way

01:23:42.780 to be able to sideline some of our best warriors.

01:23:45.280 What are you doing now?

01:23:46.860 I mean, they, the machine rages against you.

01:23:50.320 And what's next?

01:23:51.560 They're still terrified of him.

01:23:52.940 Yeah.

01:23:54.040 Well, I live down in Naples, Florida, so I do love where I live.

01:23:57.800 I can't beat that.

01:23:58.780 I can't represent myself.

01:23:59.860 I was going to let Byron do it.

01:24:01.160 So I love it here.

01:24:02.000 But I do commercial real estate and then just, you know, I'm still involved in politics where

01:24:05.840 I can't be and enjoy it a lot.

01:24:08.020 Right on.

01:24:08.420 We're going to keep involved.

01:24:09.720 Thanks, brother.

01:24:10.380 I appreciate you.

01:24:11.060 Sorry to put you on the spot, but I always know that you're ready to go.

01:24:14.120 No problem.

01:24:14.660 You guys have a good one.

01:24:15.260 Talk to y'all later.

01:24:15.960 Thanks for calling in, man.

01:24:16.600 Like, I swear I never saw any of that stuff.

01:24:20.040 Like, never even hinted at any of that stuff.

01:24:22.000 There would be stuff, like, that went on, people buying people drinks and going out with

01:24:26.160 members or whatever.

01:24:27.400 But, like, it wasn't, there was none of that, what you saw in the Senate, I mean, in the

01:24:32.880 committee room.

01:24:33.280 It's because you're a Republican.

01:24:36.400 The Republicans are a bunch of squares.

01:24:38.920 You know, I mean, look.

01:24:39.440 I mean, I did work for a religious member.

01:24:41.340 Like, I worked, my last one was a very religious member and that, like, he still opens the

01:24:45.480 car door for his wife every time he gets in it, like, every single time.

01:24:48.320 And how bad could it be?

01:24:49.500 I mean, here's a guy who's probably very much Ned Flanders-y and he's like, don't let

01:24:53.460 anybody know.

01:24:54.080 And he pulls a chocolate, chocolate covered cherry out and he's like, he eats it before

01:24:57.480 lunch.

01:24:58.420 I mean, all my bosses like to drink, all of them.

01:25:00.300 Like, they definitely liked to drink.

01:25:02.300 But, like, I, but even with staff, I, maybe I just wasn't cool enough.

01:25:05.900 I don't know.

01:25:06.340 But, like, that wasn't, I didn't see any of that.

01:25:10.700 I, it's, it's all on the Democrats.

01:25:11.860 And I was there for a very long time.

01:25:13.720 I mean, look, look, look, I think it's fair to say, well, let me ask you guys first.

01:25:17.380 You guys, you're working for Republicans.

01:25:18.880 Did you see any stuff like this?

01:25:21.280 I, I don't go to anything.

01:25:24.820 I don't even drink.

01:25:25.980 But did you even hear about weird stuff?

01:25:28.420 Well, there were just situations where you would, you would know that people would go into

01:25:33.900 these parties or, or whatever situation.

01:25:37.360 And it wasn't even on Capitol Hill.

01:25:39.400 So you couldn't say that it was like concentrated, but sometimes the hookup culture there just

01:25:44.440 becomes too crazy.

01:25:46.320 And that's a mentality on the Hill.

01:25:49.600 And so I can't like point to specific instances because I was not ever privy to any of that

01:25:55.500 stuff.

01:25:55.840 But when Madison said that, it was like, yeah, the Hill sucks.

01:26:00.520 And the it's the Washington DC is the loneliest city in the United States consistently ranked.

01:26:07.160 And when you have that people try to meet, but the only way they know to meet is to use

01:26:13.700 alcohol and hook up.

01:26:15.640 And when you have these gatherings or whatever, then you could just very easily.

01:26:21.140 Huge egos too.

01:26:21.720 So like you have competing egos, right?

01:26:24.500 Loneliness, your burnout, you're working all the time.

01:26:27.240 You're trying to get like a quick dope in my head.

01:26:28.600 You still want to go to Congress?

01:26:29.840 Yeah.

01:26:30.840 Well, my point.

01:26:31.760 I miss it a little bit.

01:26:32.260 No, no, no, no.

01:26:32.720 You misunderstand.

01:26:33.540 You misunderstand, right?

01:26:34.360 No, I know what you're saying.

01:26:35.400 I want, I want to carry in two gallons of spoiled milk right to the middle and just

01:26:41.100 dump it all on the floor and be like, do something about it.

01:26:43.620 I will take your expulsion.

01:26:45.040 I don't care.

01:26:46.040 You're charged for that insurrectionist.

01:26:48.000 I'm just saying.

01:26:49.440 But there's a lot of fun stuff, like wholesome stuff that happened.

01:26:51.780 We would have hall parties and my boss would come in and take the grill and he would like

01:26:56.100 cook Texas barbecue out of the bathroom on an electric grill and the Capitol police

01:27:00.900 would come because the hallways were smoked.

01:27:02.140 I mean, there was fun things to do.

01:27:04.520 When we were, we were at Boebert's office.

01:27:06.260 I think we were, we did the show from Lauren Boebert's office.

01:27:08.940 I'm pretty sure.

01:27:09.740 Yeah.

01:27:09.960 That's whenever I woke up.

01:27:10.920 That was.

01:27:11.220 Yeah.

01:27:11.420 Yeah.

01:27:12.080 And you could open the window and they went out on the.

01:27:15.120 Right.

01:27:15.400 Yeah.

01:27:15.680 Yeah.

01:27:15.920 That's so cool.

01:27:16.740 You could go out onto the roof and walk around.

01:27:18.520 People used to walk, like in Capitol, we used to go out and smoke.

01:27:20.720 Who was it?

01:27:21.680 We didn't smoke cigarettes.

01:27:22.780 Balding Freedom College.

01:27:23.740 Louie Gohmert would have barbecue and take a grill out there and barbecue ribs.

01:27:29.480 And like, literally it was one of those things.

01:27:31.200 He got a reputation.

01:27:32.220 Whenever they, people found out Louie was doing ribs, literally members would be like,

01:27:36.980 and they would just bounce.

01:27:38.740 Like, I don't care if they're in committee.

01:27:39.620 Democrats too.

01:27:41.080 You see, because I'll tell you what happens.

01:27:42.920 I think they're hobnob with Louie Gohmert.

01:27:44.460 I'm free to call against the Texas delegation.

01:27:47.160 These are anomalies that we're talking about predominantly, but there is a culture on Capitol

01:27:51.940 Hill of stress and frankly, depression and loneliness, and it can suck you in.

01:27:56.880 And if it's there for too long, if you don't have a foundation, then you are going to fold.

01:28:00.340 Can I, I would love to vote for a candidate whose whole campaign was, if you vote for me,

01:28:06.160 I will likely be expelled in the first week because I'm going to insult each and every one

01:28:09.780 of these people to their faces.

01:28:10.560 I will be disruptive as possible.

01:28:13.100 I'd be like, I will vote for you.

01:28:14.780 I will.

01:28:15.380 I will.

01:28:15.680 I think that's close.

01:28:17.000 MT was just shy of that, right?

01:28:18.460 MTG.

01:28:19.040 Yeah.

01:28:19.200 It was just shy of that.

01:28:20.100 Yeah.

01:28:20.780 And, and, and I think she's the above board version of what I'm saying where it's like,

01:28:24.560 she'll be disruptive, but she's going to, she's going to get, she's going to do the work.

01:28:27.540 Yeah.

01:28:27.860 I can respect that.

01:28:28.880 From my experience though, as a staffer, the members that I like were, was not like kissing

01:28:34.280 their butt, like, hello, sir.

01:28:35.440 How are you today?

01:28:36.100 Right?

01:28:36.320 Like, damn you, sir.

01:28:37.200 I walked up to him at Trump Hotel.

01:28:38.520 I'm like, I hear you're terrible to your staff.

01:28:40.200 Right?

01:28:41.120 They, they wound up having more respect for me.

01:28:43.220 Like, that's how I was like friendlier with more members than staff.

01:28:46.560 Like they, they kind of appreciate it after getting like their butts, butts kissed all

01:28:51.740 the time.

01:28:52.180 I feel like you can go up and do that.

01:28:53.980 I mean, my first interaction with Gates was the same thing.

01:28:55.980 Like, what's up with your lead shot?

01:28:57.340 You know, but like years ago, but, but still, I don't know.

01:29:01.440 I feel like, so I think here's an interesting thing to be like that and be fine to that

01:29:06.040 point of like, they're getting their butts kits, kissed all the time.

01:29:09.160 So my first member was Jody high, super wholesome guy, never drank, just amazing, good man, amazing

01:29:14.640 individual.

01:29:15.860 Um, but one of the things that, um, he, one of his crowning achievements in Congress was

01:29:21.320 that he never changed.

01:29:22.500 And that's very hard to do.

01:29:24.220 Yeah.

01:29:24.440 And I have two stories of that, but the one I want to tell right now is he, um, I asked

01:29:29.700 him one time, we're like four years into him being up there.

01:29:32.040 I was his campaign manager when he ran.

01:29:33.440 So very close to them all the way.

01:29:35.100 And I was like, so how are you like not changing?

01:29:37.140 Like, how have you managed this?

01:29:39.400 And he goes, Ben, it's really hard because every meeting of every day, people tell you

01:29:46.500 it is an honor to meet you.

01:29:48.020 It is an honor to take, shake your hand.

01:29:49.920 May I please have a picture with you?

01:29:51.420 A month of that goes by.

01:29:52.880 Oh, this is what's Congress.

01:29:53.840 Two months goes by a year, goes by two years, go by, they all say you're a big deal.

01:29:58.500 You start to say they're right.

01:30:00.700 I am a big deal.

01:30:01.740 And that's why it's because everyone is telling you that every minute of every day, he said,

01:30:06.320 so I just have to tell myself every day, they're not saying it to me.

01:30:10.460 They're saying it to the pen.

01:30:12.000 They're saying it to the office.

01:30:13.140 And as soon as I go, no one will care.

01:30:15.820 You know, the, the, the, the scary reality is often they're saying it to the media.

01:30:19.300 They're, they're, they're saying you're a big deal based on what other people have

01:30:22.900 said and reported on who you are and what you do.

01:30:25.620 So that's true.

01:30:26.860 There's not, or they're just saying it because they want something.

01:30:29.260 And pride goes before a fall.

01:30:31.160 You were told that often enough.

01:30:32.720 Then you start to think it's been said that you are somebody and in reality you are not.

01:30:36.520 And then the pressures that come with that, you're pulled in all sorts of different directions.

01:30:40.980 You're in an environment that you're unfamiliar with.

01:30:43.100 You're seeking guidance.

01:30:44.140 The right people aren't there to shepherd you along.

01:30:46.380 It's a pay to play scheme with such a fine line.

01:30:48.620 Like we were just talking about, and it's stressful.

01:30:51.420 It's anxious.

01:30:52.400 It's just a very oppressive environment sometimes.

01:30:55.900 And people fold and they change.

01:30:57.940 I mean, how many members have you heard talk about term limits in a campaign when they were

01:31:00.900 running their freshman and even sophomore year that just don't talk about it now.

01:31:04.020 And even members that have basically just burned their bridge to go lobby.

01:31:07.840 What do they do after they leave Congress?

01:31:09.900 They can't, they just go back to back home.

01:31:12.100 And that's really difficult to do.

01:31:13.400 I think there's only one thing that proves you've made it.

01:31:17.560 And it's that you can survive on your own.

01:31:19.100 Nothing else matters.

01:31:19.960 The idea that you're a big shot who owns a company.

01:31:23.560 I got to tell you, man, if it hits the fan, your piece of paper declaring ownership is

01:31:29.320 meaningless, absolutely meaningless.

01:31:32.000 So you can be in Congress, you can be on TV and you can talk about like, wow, look how

01:31:36.660 wealthy and successful I am.

01:31:37.860 And it's like, sure, you know, what you're doing works well with other people contributing

01:31:43.460 to what you do basically, right?

01:31:44.960 For a show like this, the only reason that I'm successful and able to complain on camera

01:31:49.420 for lots of money is because there are people who contribute to it.

01:31:51.500 But this will do nothing in the real world.

01:31:54.040 It exists today in our golden age bubble of the United States.

01:31:58.440 But how valuable is complaining about things going to be if we enter World War Three?

01:32:02.620 They're going to be like, what skills do you have?

01:32:05.600 It's like, well, I'm really good at complaining about stuff.

01:32:07.180 They'll be like, uh-uh, start hammering.

01:32:09.160 You're making metal now for us.

01:32:11.500 There's nothing there.

01:32:12.440 If you can sustain yourself and you can survive on your own, and that's the only thing you

01:32:17.560 have and no one knows who you are.

01:32:19.080 That's what I feel is that's success.

01:32:21.200 That's when you're a big shot, because you could say to anybody at any time, screw you,

01:32:24.960 you are meaningless to me.

01:32:26.000 You're like, if a person comes up to you and says, let's say you're in Congress and they

01:32:29.700 keep saying you're the best, you're the best in the world, what do you think happens if

01:32:32.700 you disagree with those people?

01:32:34.520 Well, you're in trouble now.

01:32:35.660 The people who are paying your bills all of a sudden are upset with you, and then what

01:32:40.140 do you have?

01:32:41.000 But if you know that you can sustain yourself, you can survive on your own in whatever way

01:32:45.160 that means, then you truly have the F you money reality of someone comes up to you and

01:32:50.620 says, oh, you're so good.

01:32:51.760 Now pass this bill for me.

01:32:53.320 You can laugh and say no, because it doesn't matter.

01:32:56.460 My principles matter.

01:32:57.320 And I know no matter what happens, I'm going to be able to survive on my own.

01:33:00.120 That's why we're doing what we're doing now.

01:33:01.820 That's why we're doing what we're doing.

01:33:03.480 And in D.C., that's called courage.

01:33:06.960 And I'll go on a whole rant that I don't need to do right now.

01:33:09.940 But let me tell you what the reason D.C. is broken.

01:33:13.220 The reason the house is broken is not because there aren't enough smart people.

01:33:16.960 There are Ph.D.s and doctorate degrees galore.

01:33:20.800 Well, so I'm saying like educated, educated, not smart.

01:33:25.340 There you go.

01:33:25.820 There's educated people galore, right?

01:33:28.540 There are people with money right around.

01:33:31.360 So it's not like there's money.

01:33:32.500 It's not that it's education.

01:33:34.000 What there aren't is a lot of people with courage who will say what you just said.

01:33:38.360 No, I'm not going to listen to you.

01:33:39.580 I'm going to go my own way.

01:33:40.580 Those people are rare.

01:33:41.940 And so to people out there who are thinking about, you know, who are they going to vote

01:33:46.380 for in an upcoming primary or something like that, one of the things you need to try to

01:33:50.940 decipher is which of these two people has the ability or the wherewithal to say, I'm going

01:33:57.160 to do this.

01:33:58.480 Like, I don't.

01:33:59.280 Courage has to last.

01:34:00.360 So there are people that go in and for the first five, six, seven, eight years, they

01:34:04.780 have that courage.

01:34:05.780 I'll take aid of courage.

01:34:07.020 And then and then they get beat down and beat down and shunned.

01:34:10.100 And people don't want to co-sponsor their bills and they're not raising money and they're

01:34:13.960 getting basically laughed at.

01:34:16.300 Then they eventually give in.

01:34:17.900 So we get very often, I bring this up, people say to me all the time and actually, you know,

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01:35:52.440 You can give some insight on this.

01:35:55.020 Tim, you will never be able to book insert person because you're insulting him or his friends

01:35:59.320 or people around them.

01:36:00.040 And I'm like, don't care.

01:36:00.600 Or your staff is.

01:36:01.980 Or your staff is.

01:36:03.340 It's funny when people like Cassandra McDonald, for instance, is one of my best friends and

01:36:08.980 she does booking for IRL and Lisa does booking for this show.

01:36:12.760 And it's funny when people tweet at me and they're like, you're going to really let your

01:36:17.380 employees say these things or whatever.

01:36:18.780 I'm like, let them.

01:36:19.780 They can say whatever they want.

01:36:20.700 I have no control over that.

01:36:22.300 People don't have opinions.

01:36:23.460 That happened to us.

01:36:24.240 That happened to me.

01:36:24.880 He said that for me.

01:36:25.460 Go full Dana White.

01:36:26.460 I don't control what people say.

01:36:27.820 But it's just like, if you think I, as the owner of this company, I'm going to scold

01:36:33.500 my staff who have hundreds of thousands of followers and have had those followers well

01:36:37.560 before they worked here at Timcast, like you don't watch this show at all.

01:36:41.120 Right.

01:36:41.180 But my point in the big picture is, yeah, people will say like, you will not be able

01:36:47.300 to book this person because you just call them a scumbag.

01:36:50.340 And I'm like, they're a scumbag, though.

01:36:52.560 You know, look, there are members of Congress that I will call a scumbag and I'll call evil

01:36:56.280 and we'll still invite them on the show.

01:36:58.260 But I know they're not going to come.

01:36:59.760 And what does this mean?

01:37:00.500 I think and I probably, you know, I'm going to say this anyway, because I, of course,

01:37:06.340 a big fan of Joe Rogan.

01:37:07.380 I consider him a friend.

01:37:08.800 But I think he's not going to endorse Donald Trump, despite the fact everyone kind of thinks

01:37:13.820 he's going to vote for Donald Trump.

01:37:14.820 Like, how do you say the things that Joe Rogan says without already having planned?

01:37:18.520 You're going to vote for Donald Trump.

01:37:19.500 Yeah.

01:37:19.680 And he's gone as far as saying, well, if it's Trump versus Biden, you know, I guess I would.

01:37:24.880 He said something like that, but he's not going to come out and said voting for Trump

01:37:27.280 is the right move.

01:37:28.260 And I think the obvious reason is, and I don't mean to be disrespectful.

01:37:31.280 I think this is a business reality.

01:37:32.840 When you're looking at your business, who you employ, the people who are you're responsible

01:37:37.340 to, you're thinking, if I insult these people and actually say and go hard, that's going

01:37:44.560 to reduce my audience size.

01:37:46.280 That's going to reduce the company income.

01:37:48.420 I'll put it this way, because I can't speak to Joe.

01:37:50.340 I think Joe does what Joe does.

01:37:51.440 But I know for a fact that if we tried like play media ball, like in much the same way

01:37:58.460 Congress does it, if I said, no, no, I better not insult Adam Schiff because we're going

01:38:01.480 to try and get him on the show.

01:38:03.040 One thing we don't do is we don't pay guests ever.

01:38:05.740 And there are a lot of really big podcasts that do.

01:38:08.220 And I'm like, we bring people on who have something to say that are relevant and they

01:38:13.020 want to come on the show, but we won't offer them money.

01:38:15.000 We've had people demand money from us.

01:38:16.800 Like we saw recently, remember Tucker Carlson is just recently Tucker Carlson wanted to

01:38:20.460 Boris Johnson and Boris Johnson said, pay me a bunch of money, million dollars.

01:38:24.440 And he said, not going to do it.

01:38:26.040 But you want to play ball.

01:38:27.360 You want to be the big shot on TV with the biggest guests.

01:38:31.060 You can't insult people who are bad because then you won't get them.

01:38:34.420 So when people like Adam Schiff lie to the American public, you've got people behind

01:38:38.520 you saying, well, I know he's bad, but just go easy on the criticism so we can try and

01:38:43.600 book more Democrats.

01:38:44.400 Because if you insult him, then you might not be able to get these people and these people.

01:38:46.720 I'm like, fuck them.

01:38:48.840 If we can't get him, we can't get him.

01:38:50.240 Calm down, Elon.

01:38:51.440 Yeah.

01:38:51.920 But this is the point.

01:38:55.320 It's in all areas of business.

01:38:57.580 If you're willing to give a little bit to the bad people, you will gain power from those

01:39:03.200 around them.

01:39:03.680 But that means you have to entertain the evil.

01:39:06.160 That's that's that happens on a minimal level in Twitter spaces.

01:39:09.100 They're like, oh, George Santos is coming in our thing.

01:39:12.100 Lisa, don't call him out on his lies.

01:39:14.120 Like that literally happened.

01:39:15.520 And he's like, I mean, he's like, I'm never going to be in a space with Lisa ever again.

01:39:18.380 That's why we're doing for real though.

01:39:19.840 Yeah.

01:39:20.240 He refused to be in a space with me because I was like, you're like George Santos.

01:39:24.240 Yes.

01:39:24.740 Well, I got to tell you, look, I'm sure he would come on.

01:39:27.400 Like I could DM him and be like, come on the show.

01:39:28.820 And he would like, he would put that aside for me.

01:39:30.880 But like my, my attitude is people who don't want to come on the show don't have to, they

01:39:36.080 don't want me favors.

01:39:36.860 But I also think there's something very obvious with, uh, we were talking to, um, I think it

01:39:44.140 was Jameson Ellis who ran against Crenshaw.

01:39:45.500 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:39:46.140 I'm sorry.

01:39:46.380 I'm sorry.

01:39:46.540 This was not correct.

01:39:47.280 It was, uh, Dave Smith.

01:39:49.200 Dave Smith was telling a story on, on air or something.

01:39:52.480 Uh, I can't remember what it was, but I was like, Dan Crenshaw will never sit down with

01:39:56.540 Dave Smith.

01:39:57.080 Why?

01:39:58.120 Because Dan Crenshaw knows he's full of shit.

01:40:00.960 People who truly believe their shit want, want to say these things and they come on the

01:40:06.500 shows and they'll say something like, you know, when we had Hunter Avalon on the show

01:40:10.340 a couple of years ago, and I said, Joe Biden said to the prosecutor, if you don't, if you

01:40:14.320 don't, uh, fire the prosecutor, I'm sorry, I said to the president of Ukraine, I think

01:40:17.400 it was Poroshenko at the time.

01:40:18.280 If you don't fire the prosecutor, not getting the billion dollars.

01:40:20.620 And Hunter Avalon said, no, he didn't.

01:40:22.000 And he smiled.

01:40:23.100 Here's a guy who truly believes his shit.

01:40:25.340 And so when we invited him on, he's like, absolutely.

01:40:28.340 And then when he goes, whoops, for someone like Dan Crenshaw, he knows he's full of shit

01:40:34.100 and that he can't defend it in a, in a raw two hour conversation.

01:40:37.460 So what happened?

01:40:38.280 We invited him on the show.

01:40:39.340 His staff were like, oh, absolutely.

01:40:40.520 Yes.

01:40:41.020 At the last minute.

01:40:41.820 Sorry, we can't come.

01:40:42.900 A vote came up and we said, no problem.

01:40:44.940 Let us know if you're ever.

01:40:45.740 Another time.

01:40:46.560 Never time.

01:40:47.180 Never time.

01:40:47.420 And then they, they said, yeah, yeah, we'll reschedule and we'll let you know.

01:40:50.520 Maybe, maybe in a week, a couple of days later, we emailed back dead silence because

01:40:55.220 Crenshaw is a smart guy.

01:40:57.180 He knows he's full of shit.

01:40:58.960 He knows that we would, we would, uh, I've defended him in many instances when the left

01:41:04.280 was unfair to him.

01:41:04.920 And if he came on the show and talked about anything I want to talk about, we would not

01:41:08.580 shit talk him or insult him.

01:41:11.120 We would just pull up the news stories.

01:41:12.880 And then when he says something and we pull up a news story, like that's actually not true.

01:41:16.400 It's oh, there's nothing he can say.

01:41:18.820 Then he would, he would be forced to admit when he's campaigning or when he's, when he's

01:41:23.240 on the floor, he's lying to people.

01:41:25.200 And there've been many instances where he's supported a bill and then lied about it or been

01:41:29.760 accused of lying about it later on.

01:41:31.580 I think you mentioned gun control.

01:41:32.840 And then everyone's like, Hey, wait a minute, he's listed as voting for us.

01:41:35.340 And he makes a video where he's like, I'm against it and things like that.

01:41:38.180 Yeah.

01:41:38.520 Well, that was what happened with George Santos.

01:41:39.800 He was talking about how he wasn't pressured to vote for, I think it was a continuing resolution,

01:41:44.140 right?

01:41:44.280 It was something he was like, he wasn't pressured and nobody talked to him and he's his

01:41:48.180 own man.

01:41:48.900 And like, and he said something, I don't support it, but I voted for it.

01:41:52.340 So like be a good team player.

01:41:53.560 And I was like, you're, you're parroting like leadership talking points right now.

01:41:58.220 And this is how it works.

01:41:59.260 And he goes, that's not how it works.

01:42:00.180 And he goes, well, Lisa's been there for 12 years.

01:42:01.700 I've only been here for one.

01:42:02.840 But then he wouldn't, he refused to come in.

01:42:05.000 This was when he was in Congress.

01:42:06.220 This was when it was early on.

01:42:07.700 This was like, uh, two months before he got kicked out two, three months before he got

01:42:12.300 kicked out.

01:42:12.780 He's got nothing to lose now either.

01:42:14.280 So like the people, now he's on all the time.

01:42:16.080 The people like Madison, you know, the people who have been forced out of Congress and basically

01:42:20.000 like there's, there's no political capital left in Washington, DC necessarily.

01:42:23.820 They can say whatever they want to.

01:42:25.760 And I, and the whole thing with Madison and some of these other members too, I thought, do

01:42:29.460 they really want to push him out and squeeze him for everything that he's going to say?

01:42:33.780 Because after a certain point, you are not defensive anymore.

01:42:37.300 You were just like, fine, I'm going to go on the offensive.

01:42:39.380 I'm going to say whatever the heck I want.

01:42:41.160 I'm going to be able to go out there and be my own free man and be my own free agent.

01:42:44.500 And, you know, to a certain extent, I saw how the system could range against Madison and

01:42:49.000 frankly, the system could range against Matt Gaetz and other people.

01:42:51.540 And so I thought, you know, I want to create this business where we have autonomy that if

01:42:55.300 every client fires me tomorrow, I'm still the CEO of that company.

01:42:59.440 And I have the infrastructure necessary to, to move forward without anybody else necessarily

01:43:04.700 that I don't want to work with.

01:43:06.360 And once you get to that point, you have that sense of freedom and you can move and operate

01:43:10.180 in that town far more easy.

01:43:11.920 Yeah.

01:43:12.820 It's important.

01:43:13.420 I'll give you another story.

01:43:14.340 You were just talking about that sense of playing ball with the media and what you have

01:43:18.440 to sell to do that.

01:43:19.700 And we've talked about what that was in DC.

01:43:21.940 So here's a story that I don't think has ever been told.

01:43:24.400 I don't have the name of the individual, but this is a cool, this is a, this is a very,

01:43:28.160 I think a revealing story about DC.

01:43:30.660 So Jody Heiss, founder of the Freedom Caucus, my first boss.

01:43:33.640 So he works real hard to get on house armed services, a, a committee and pays all these

01:43:39.000 dues and does a whole campaign and meets with all the right people.

01:43:41.320 And after I think two terms finally gets on.

01:43:44.100 And it's a real big deal.

01:43:45.560 He gets on house service, house armed services, and then votes against some real swampy funding

01:43:52.420 for the military industrial complex.

01:43:55.360 And of course, uh, especially on house armed services, the lobbying, which is the military

01:44:00.480 generals and contractors and the committees that it's all one cohort.

01:44:05.280 Like there almost is no separation.

01:44:07.960 It's all intermingled.

01:44:09.460 And so he does a couple of votes that he was told not to do, and he gets kicked off the

01:44:14.160 committee.

01:44:15.420 And so it was totally an unfair kickoff, whatever.

01:44:17.980 He gets kicked off the committee.

01:44:18.780 Well, he's, uh, been on, uh, oversight since he gets there and he becomes the highest ranking

01:44:24.180 member on oversight whenever Meadows leaves.

01:44:28.060 So he's running for chairman against who is now the chairman, James Comer.

01:44:31.560 So he's running for chairman.

01:44:33.540 He puts together this huge packet, sorry, of all the things he's going to do and works

01:44:37.480 really hard, goes to the steering committee that we talked about earlier and shows it all

01:44:41.820 to the steering committee.

01:44:42.560 Um, he loses that election, obviously to James Comer and an individual, a very high individual

01:44:50.080 ranking in the steering committee called him to his office and Jody comes, goes into the

01:44:55.320 office and, uh, and that individual says, Hey man, I just want to let you know.

01:44:59.880 And this is before the vote had come back.

01:45:01.560 He said, once you know, uh, there's no chance you get this position, you're not getting it,

01:45:07.200 but I want you to know that everything that you talked about that you've done is what I

01:45:11.740 said I was going to do when I ran and I decided to play ball and I never got to do those things.

01:45:18.520 And the guy started choking up and crying in front of him and was like, just so you know,

01:45:23.460 you're not going to get this, but what you did is what I said I would do.

01:45:26.740 And I always kind of have regret that I never did that.

01:45:29.660 And for Jody at the time, he was like, he wouldn't tell me who that individual was,

01:45:33.500 but he was like, Ben, that was one of the most impactful conversations I ever had.

01:45:36.400 Cause I didn't get that position, but I did what I actually said I was going to do.

01:45:41.740 And that's the penalty for it.

01:45:44.060 And that's okay.

01:45:44.560 But you know, that, that is a powerful conversation, but that, that to your example, not playing

01:45:49.560 ball, that's kind of what it can look like on the Hill.

01:45:51.660 You know, what's interesting.

01:45:52.500 If you go to Congress, wait, no, gov track.

01:45:54.680 If you go to gov track and look up the members ideology scores, if you look at their ideology

01:45:59.580 scores as compared to how much money they fundraise and see kind of where they are there.

01:46:03.900 It's a, it's a very interesting, um, metric to like, look at.

01:46:08.260 We got to get you some good ones.

01:46:09.520 If you have, have you had Tim Burchard on?

01:46:11.820 Is that the ideology score one?

01:46:13.180 Just pick a member, right?

01:46:14.320 Just pick anyone.

01:46:15.680 Uh, Gohmert.

01:46:16.700 Okay.

01:46:16.900 Yeah.

01:46:17.020 Go to Gohmert.

01:46:17.560 Oh, he's going to be way out there.

01:46:18.740 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 No, he's actually not.

01:46:20.040 He's actually not.

01:46:20.660 It's, it's a Weber and Banks.

01:46:22.300 I were Burgess.

01:46:23.040 Where is, I forget.

01:46:23.740 Not Banks.

01:46:24.440 Not Banks.

01:46:24.960 I don't, I don't think it's here.

01:46:25.980 I mean, there's one where, when you go on there, go to idea, like two, you're talking

01:46:30.260 about the big graph with all the dots, right?

01:46:31.780 Yes.

01:46:31.960 Yes.

01:46:32.200 If you go on that and then compare, it should be there.

01:46:35.360 Ideology score.

01:46:35.960 Yeah.

01:46:36.080 That's right.

01:46:36.460 Pick a member.

01:46:37.520 Well, no, no.

01:46:38.140 So I went to ideology score.

01:46:39.880 Okay.

01:46:40.240 So, yes.

01:46:40.760 But it's not actually showing anything.

01:46:42.260 Yeah.

01:46:42.300 Yeah.

01:46:42.360 If you pick a member, then you have to like scroll around and see.

01:46:45.940 Can't hear it.

01:46:46.420 Can't.

01:46:46.760 You gotta grab the mic.

01:46:47.820 I think the score was next to their names.

01:46:49.740 Yeah.

01:46:49.860 There you go.

01:46:50.280 Go to, and you go.

01:46:51.020 Right, right, right.

01:46:51.480 There's a score.

01:46:52.600 But you gotta click on it because you'll see a map.

01:46:54.200 No, no, no.

01:46:54.540 It doesn't show you the map when you click on it.

01:46:55.680 That's what I'm saying.

01:46:56.340 Yeah.

01:46:56.620 So.

01:46:57.020 There's another link though.

01:46:57.720 I promise.

01:46:58.700 It is a really cool.

01:46:59.540 So it's this whole graph of dots and you hover over it and then it'll pull up the person.

01:47:03.440 Maybe if I do this.

01:47:04.040 Just put in like rep Weber.

01:47:05.640 Yeah.

01:47:05.780 There it is.

01:47:06.220 There it is.

01:47:06.780 Yeah.

01:47:07.100 That's it.

01:47:08.860 No.

01:47:09.420 No.

01:47:10.000 Just.

01:47:10.560 If you go back, it's that third one to the right at the top.

01:47:13.180 This?

01:47:13.500 Yeah.

01:47:13.720 That.

01:47:13.920 Yeah.

01:47:14.060 But this is an image from x.com.

01:47:15.880 Okay.

01:47:16.100 So if you go into, if you go into gov track, right.

01:47:18.740 And put him just Google right now, rep Weber ideology score.

01:47:21.780 It'll go right to him.

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01:48:49.660 I'm going to use him for example because he comes to my mind.

01:48:54.480 Just as a channel through.

01:48:56.920 Okay.

01:48:57.260 And then so it should.

01:48:59.480 Yeah, there's no.

01:49:00.320 Oh, here we go.

01:49:01.100 Here you go.

01:49:01.480 So that's an interactive map to see where they are based on their, I think it's their

01:49:06.140 bills.

01:49:06.500 All right.

01:49:06.840 All right.

01:49:07.280 Who do you think is the most far left on the ideology score?

01:49:11.480 The Republicans?

01:49:12.520 No, the Democrats.

01:49:13.000 Far left.

01:49:13.440 Democrat.

01:49:13.620 Jayapal?

01:49:16.680 I'd say Jayapal, Norton, or Presley.

01:49:20.420 Norton?

01:49:21.400 These are all.

01:49:22.640 Never heard of it.

01:49:23.600 See, this is exactly what I'm saying.

01:49:25.480 So the people that are on the outskirts.

01:49:26.620 Eleanor, Norton, Holmes, DC.

01:49:27.860 Yeah.

01:49:28.340 The people that are on the outskirts, you never really hear of because they're not playing

01:49:32.040 ball.

01:49:32.700 They're not in the mix.

01:49:33.760 And Weber is the furthest right.

01:49:35.740 I know.

01:49:36.120 That's why I worked for him.

01:49:38.000 This whole thing was set up.

01:49:39.220 You set this up.

01:49:39.820 But no, but my point is, but if you go and look at their fundraising.

01:49:43.520 Let's get those top five.

01:49:44.360 Okay.

01:49:44.520 Wait, wait, hold on.

01:49:45.060 Right in the middle, there's a Democrat and Republican who overlap with each other.

01:49:48.260 Who do you think it is?

01:49:49.960 Where's the middle?

01:49:51.000 Right there?

01:49:51.460 So right here.

01:49:52.680 Okay.

01:49:53.020 Here we go.

01:49:53.500 I don't want to put the mouse over it just yet, but you can see the two that are overlapping.

01:49:56.500 Who's the most conservative Democrat, do we think?

01:49:59.020 And those two are kind of very close.

01:50:00.700 There's one at the top up there.

01:50:01.940 All right.

01:50:02.160 Most conservative Democrat.

01:50:03.740 And that's also leadership.

01:50:05.040 That shows where they are in leadership.

01:50:06.300 All right.

01:50:06.540 So look, see these two that are overlapping?

01:50:08.540 The red and the blue one?

01:50:09.280 Right in the left of the middle?

01:50:11.100 Who do you think Republican and Democrat overlap?

01:50:13.140 Who's the guy who's retiring right now?

01:50:16.120 That has nothing to lose.

01:50:17.880 No, the foreign affairs guy.

01:50:20.820 On the Democrat side?

01:50:21.820 No, Republican.

01:50:25.500 Bershowitz is looking at it.

01:50:27.580 Oh, Gallagher.

01:50:28.660 Gallagher.

01:50:29.240 Give me Gallagher.

01:50:30.740 Collins.

01:50:31.540 Collins and Cuellar.

01:50:33.300 So Cuellar is because I knew it was going to be Cuellar.

01:50:37.580 His chief of staff, they call him GOP Jake.

01:50:43.000 Davis is also his second right, most right-leaning, and he overlaps with Mills.

01:50:48.760 Wow.

01:50:49.100 Corey Mills.

01:50:49.740 Yeah, I know.

01:50:50.340 He overlaps with Mills?

01:50:50.900 Yeah, that's really interesting.

01:50:52.260 I'm telling you, you got to look at this, and everybody better pay attention when you're

01:50:55.520 looking at your members.

01:50:56.220 What does it even mean, ideology score?

01:50:57.540 So it's like the bills that you co-sponsored, the bills that you didn't say yes to, right?

01:51:02.360 And I think it's the legislation introduced, too.

01:51:06.040 Can we get the top five of the right?

01:51:07.660 Like, start over to the right and just run the-

01:51:09.160 So Weber, Norman, Babin.

01:51:12.460 Oh, Norman is the nicest person on Capitol Hill.

01:51:14.380 Norman, that's what I thought it was.

01:51:14.620 Norman is the nicest person on Capitol Hill.

01:51:16.160 Miller.

01:51:16.820 That was nice, too.

01:51:17.620 Yeah, Miller's base.

01:51:18.280 Gosar.

01:51:18.740 Oh, yeah.

01:51:20.240 Jackson.

01:51:20.720 Those are rookie numbers for Gosar.

01:51:21.800 Those are rookie numbers.

01:51:22.860 He's looking for their over.

01:51:24.140 Weber.

01:51:24.420 I'm surprised Gosar isn't all the way on the left at this point.

01:51:26.680 You have to open up another tab for Gosar.

01:51:30.040 All right.

01:51:30.700 Molinaro is the most leftist Republican.

01:51:34.120 Who is Molinaro?

01:51:36.020 It's kind of crazy that there's a Republican that's more left-leaning than Democrats.

01:51:40.900 You know what I mean?

01:51:41.660 Look where he's from.

01:51:42.240 New York.

01:51:43.100 Didn't he lead the charge?

01:51:44.460 Or was one of the person that led the charge against Santos?

01:51:46.860 I think he was one of the-

01:51:47.520 Probably, yeah.

01:51:48.000 He's New York Santos.

01:51:48.720 The whole New York delegation.

01:51:49.700 Would make sense.

01:51:50.040 Did we notice that George Santos announced that he's running for New York's first last night?

01:51:54.380 Yep.

01:51:54.740 Oh, did he really?

01:51:55.480 He announced for Congress during the State of the Union that he's running for New York's

01:51:58.560 first, and I believe it's, is it Lawler that he's running against?

01:52:01.960 Maybe not.

01:52:02.860 There's Ocasio-Cortez.

01:52:04.520 Pretty far left, you can tell.

01:52:07.420 It's a fun map, though.

01:52:08.320 But what is the up and down?

01:52:10.060 Leadership, right?

01:52:10.540 I think that's leadership, right?

01:52:11.200 Oh, okay.

01:52:11.380 I see.

01:52:11.660 I see.

01:52:11.840 I see.

01:52:12.480 Right.

01:52:12.680 Leadership score.

01:52:13.240 Oh, okay.

01:52:13.500 So, who's the furthest bottom right?

01:52:16.660 Who's that one?

01:52:17.180 Miller.

01:52:17.380 Miller?

01:52:17.760 Okay.

01:52:18.760 They're newbies.

01:52:19.960 She's so famous.

01:52:20.500 She is solid.

01:52:21.620 She is a wonderful, wonderful person.

01:52:24.600 All right.

01:52:25.040 And she likes my clothes.

01:52:26.420 She was always a compliment.

01:52:26.820 That's good news.

01:52:27.320 I've got two good friends, actually, that work for her now.

01:52:29.260 She's really sweet.

01:52:32.000 Schakowsky.

01:52:33.140 Furthest left.

01:52:34.380 Wow.

01:52:34.880 Highest leadership?

01:52:36.300 That's interesting.

01:52:38.320 These are people you don't hear, but they're probably chairing a committee, a more powerful

01:52:42.680 committee, but you don't know who they are.

01:52:44.200 If they're quiet and they play ball and they follow the leadership.

01:52:46.500 Gottheimer's moving shaker.

01:52:47.700 You know what's really funny is how many members of Congress can the average person name?

01:52:54.180 And it's probably like zero.

01:52:55.360 It's probably like five.

01:52:56.160 They can't name their own representative.

01:52:57.300 No, no, no.

01:52:57.640 The average person.

01:52:58.400 The average person.

01:52:58.780 Oh, yeah, none.

01:52:59.600 How many members of Congress can the average politico name?

01:53:02.660 Like five.

01:53:03.400 Five to ten, maybe?

01:53:04.460 Yeah.

01:53:04.960 Could we name our state rep?

01:53:07.880 Do all of us know who our state rep is?

01:53:08.920 Mine are all Democrats.

01:53:10.020 I live in Philadelphia, so there's not even worth looking at them.

01:53:13.000 But if you look at this, so see how their leadership, they're further left, they're all

01:53:16.820 at the top, and ours is like down lower.

01:53:20.400 Do you see the difference?

01:53:21.360 Like the ours are more in the center.

01:53:23.260 Well, who's the most leader?

01:53:24.340 McCall is the most leader-y of the Republicans.

01:53:27.160 Oh.

01:53:28.420 What does that sound?

01:53:29.740 All right.

01:53:31.840 I really want to make a Republican's day worse.

01:53:37.120 Put him on the phone.

01:53:37.740 So, Scott Franklin, why did you vote to expel George Santos, and you're from Florida?

01:53:44.380 I hate him.

01:53:44.800 I would have expelled him, too.

01:53:46.400 I'm sorry.

01:53:47.100 Scott Franklin?

01:53:48.220 Santos.

01:53:48.660 I would have gotten rid of him in a heartbeat.

01:53:49.960 I know, and it's personal, I guess, because I just don't like him.

01:53:52.280 So, Franklin, he primaried.

01:53:55.680 It's a bad look.

01:53:56.460 I have a Scott Franklin story.

01:53:57.780 Well, he primaried, so Gates and like the sheriff in that county got him elected.

01:54:02.240 They primaried somebody who did something that like pissed him off, and I can't remember

01:54:07.700 what it was, but between Gates, and I think it was the sheriff down in one of the Pinellas

01:54:13.440 County or something like that in Florida, and between the two of them, they knocked somebody

01:54:17.160 off that I think voted against something that Trump wanted.

01:54:19.920 So, essentially, he was primaried from the right and placed there, and I haven't heard a

01:54:25.960 word from him since he got in.

01:54:27.720 All right.

01:54:28.020 So, here's my Scott Franklin story.

01:54:29.920 So, do you remember when they tried to do the border checks?

01:54:38.520 Was it the $450,000 border checks?

01:54:40.480 Is that what they did?

01:54:42.360 Hang on.

01:54:42.860 I have to look.

01:54:43.280 So, oh, man.

01:54:45.820 You weren't ready for the story.

01:54:46.880 You had all that time, too.

01:54:48.680 It was the second.

01:54:49.580 I goodness sake.

01:54:50.520 So, it's basically, we led a press conference that was like, we led this initiative that

01:54:55.560 was signed by a ton of people.

01:54:57.260 Then we led a press conference that has the speaker and the, or had McCarthy and had Scalise.

01:55:02.120 It was like a real big deal.

01:55:03.640 And basically, we kind of overtook this issue, right?

01:55:07.100 So, we were like leading on the issue.

01:55:09.060 Well, Scott Franklin had done like a resolution or something in his office.

01:55:14.360 Well, he wasn't invited to the press conference.

01:55:16.320 So, his staff called up and berated me for, I mean, yelling at me for not inviting him

01:55:23.660 to the press conference.

01:55:24.420 And I was like, I'll be honest.

01:55:25.520 I didn't even know you're like, y'all, we're in this, like, whatever.

01:55:28.680 So, as my way to have a little fun with it, we made a video.

01:55:32.060 If you go to Boebert's Twitter, we made a video.

01:55:36.520 And maybe search CDC.

01:55:40.080 It's where they're carrying a casket and people have floating heads.

01:55:45.840 And I put-

01:55:46.360 How did I miss this?

01:55:47.000 What pluses?

01:55:47.560 You'll see.

01:55:48.380 It's-

01:55:48.700 I would need, like, what was, what were the words in the tweet?

01:55:50.960 So, I would search CDC.

01:55:52.340 Yeah, I did nothing.

01:55:53.340 That's too vague.

01:55:54.400 She's got way too many tweets pertaining to that.

01:55:56.340 Well, if you go to the actual Twitter and then search-

01:55:58.060 It's recently?

01:55:59.220 No, but if you search CDC and do, or do media, right?

01:56:03.100 Can you not do that?

01:56:04.440 Here, I'll see if I can find it.

01:56:05.260 Yeah, no.

01:56:05.580 I'm searching Google for-

01:56:07.320 If I find it, I'll pull it up.

01:56:08.440 But I threw his head in the very, very back of the video.

01:56:12.620 It was like a tiny little spot cameo to be like, you're included.

01:56:16.660 And I sent it to his staff.

01:56:17.980 And the video got, you know, a million, two million views, something like that.

01:56:20.960 And I was like, I was wondering how they would take it.

01:56:22.800 And they were like, we loved it.

01:56:23.900 Thanks for the shout out.

01:56:25.400 Let me ask you guys about Jeff Van Drew.

01:56:28.240 Democrat from New Jersey 2nd, switches parties, meets with Trump.

01:56:31.180 That's my mom's district.

01:56:32.260 How does that happen?

01:56:33.700 Is it Jeff Van Drew?

01:56:34.860 Is he sitting there with a tear in his eye saying, what has become of my party?

01:56:38.040 I'm a Republican.

01:56:38.760 Or is it someone going to him and being like, you will not win?

01:56:41.480 He was going to lose.

01:56:42.200 No, well, he was going to lose.

01:56:43.020 But Van Drew was always kind of like a moderate Democrat anyway.

01:56:45.720 It's my mom's district, so I know, right?

01:56:47.220 So he was a moderate Democrat anyway.

01:56:49.520 The whole place, like if you go to Cape May, New Jersey, down there, the whole harbor is filled with Trump flags.

01:56:55.280 It's my country.

01:56:56.120 It is, right.

01:56:57.060 Like, Wild Will Crest, Cape May County, all that.

01:57:00.580 It's super that way.

01:57:03.520 And he decided that the left had gone too far, which a lot of regular Democrats felt like that.

01:57:08.920 So he's like, I'll be a moderate Republican, stick with these MAGA people, and go from there.

01:57:15.760 He's not that bad.

01:57:16.900 To be honest, he's not that bad.

01:57:18.540 But he was going to lose.

01:57:19.660 He voted yes to expel George Santos.

01:57:22.820 He falls in line with leadership because I guarantee you I know what happened.

01:57:27.340 He recognized he was going to lose in his leaning Republican, trending Republican district.

01:57:32.180 He went to the Republican leadership, and he said, I will flip if you give me air cover from the NRCC and CLF and all of these other organizations.

01:57:39.980 If you pour money into my district, then I will be the greatest asset you have for the rest of the congressional year.

01:57:44.920 And so when he switched parties, they made a big messaging deal over it.

01:57:49.040 And now that they probably pour a ton of money into his district and his campaign, and the alternative was he remained a Democrat and lost by three points.

01:57:56.620 Right.

01:57:57.580 So if you live in New Jersey's second, and you're wondering why he voted to expel George Santos, maybe politely give him a call and ask him.

01:58:07.460 Ask him why?

01:58:08.080 Yeah.

01:58:08.220 Why would you?

01:58:09.480 I like being Drew.

01:58:10.680 We're just curious.

01:58:11.480 You know, I, I, I, I am, I'm done with the pathetic frailty, fragility, and the desperation of the Republican Party.

01:58:24.000 I am, I am, these are people who are worried more about looking cool in the newspaper than they are of what actually has happened in this country.

01:58:30.840 And there are very few Republicans who are actually like, this is the right thing to do.

01:58:34.080 But like, okay, but here's the deal.

01:58:36.140 I am probably the furthest right person on your staff.

01:58:39.120 Probably.

01:58:39.760 I would, I would guess that I am the furthest right person here.

01:58:42.840 And I would have voted, and I'm further right than most people I know.

01:58:45.360 Yeah, but that's not, that's not a principled position.

01:58:47.040 You're saying you don't like him personally.

01:58:48.300 But I would have voted, I would have voted.

01:58:49.360 Yeah, well, yeah, but he's, he was a cancer for the party.

01:58:51.900 I mean, he's drag queen and up.

01:58:53.960 We're trying to fight drag queen story hour.

01:58:55.940 You got pictures of him in dresses with lipstick on.

01:58:58.660 And he lies all the time.

01:59:00.340 Like, when was the drag stuff?

01:59:02.040 It was like years, it was.

01:59:03.400 It was the year, the year he got elected.

01:59:05.840 Was it the year?

01:59:06.700 Yeah.

01:59:07.040 In Brazil?

01:59:07.820 I don't know where it was, but who cares?

01:59:09.840 I do, because I want to know if he actually did it or not.

01:59:12.120 I don't want, I don't want.

01:59:13.220 So a photo emerges accusing him of having done drag in Brazil.

01:59:15.460 And I'm like, that could literally be anyone.

01:59:17.640 It's a person wearing makeup.

01:59:18.840 I can't recognize who that is.

01:59:19.880 He was also making crappy votes.

01:59:21.460 Go look at his vote thing.

01:59:22.500 Like, he's not, he wasn't as helpful.

01:59:24.140 The issue is, a man was expelled from Congress without being convicted of a crime.

01:59:29.260 That's fair.

01:59:30.060 Okay.

01:59:30.680 But they also have the right to like seat them or not, if they want to, even before.

01:59:34.940 So why aren't Republicans right now with the majority getting rid of Adam Schiff?

01:59:38.840 Republicans had a razor and they still have a razor thin majority.

01:59:41.860 And they kicked out one of their own guys.

01:59:43.720 And then McCarthy.

01:59:44.180 And they didn't get rid of Adam Schiff.

01:59:45.600 They could have, the Republicans right now could vote to expel Schiff.

01:59:48.740 So then go, so then instead of calling and messing with Van Drew, go call leadership and

01:59:54.000 say, hey, go start ousting people.

01:59:56.320 I want to ask McCarthy.

01:59:57.460 That's a better strategy.

01:59:58.260 I was told by leadership and McCarthy.

01:59:59.480 Republicans should remove every single Democrat.

02:00:01.360 Just do it.

02:00:01.840 Come on.

02:00:02.060 I was told by McCarthy that we were all a team, that we all had to play, had to play

02:00:05.620 baseball.

02:00:06.120 And then as soon as he loses the speakership battle, he steps down and leaves Congress and

02:00:10.320 gives them an even smaller majority, a razor thin majority, because that's exactly it.

02:00:14.880 He couldn't walk around the place.

02:00:16.840 The Republicans suck.

02:00:17.480 They seem to be a normal member of Congress.

02:00:18.240 Yes, they kick out their own.

02:00:19.720 They step down from, from speakership or they get kicked out of the speakership position.

02:00:22.800 And then he just leaves Congress, takes his ball and goes home.

02:00:24.840 So it was never about the team.

02:00:26.200 If, if I, if I was leadership speaker and everyone was going, George Sanders must be

02:00:31.740 expelled.

02:00:32.200 You know what I would do?

02:00:33.020 I would, I would say, I would privately say to everybody like, this is a really important

02:00:36.540 issue.

02:00:37.000 You're right.

02:00:37.680 We're going to move forward on this one.

02:00:38.840 Thank you for bringing my, bring it to my attention.

02:00:40.880 Then I would go to the floor and I would say all in favor of expelling Adam Schiff.

02:00:45.160 Come on, baby.

02:00:47.120 You want to expel people?

02:00:48.100 Let's expel Adam Schiff.

02:00:48.980 That guy's lied about basically everything over and over again.

02:00:52.660 He published the private phone records of American journalist to win political points.

02:00:56.920 Right.

02:00:57.100 So then let's get, let's start.

02:00:58.860 So who are these people to be like, George Santos lied about stuff?

02:01:03.300 Yeah.

02:01:03.880 Okay.

02:01:04.160 He lied about the stupidest things and I don't, and it, and it's, he's in, he's in for one

02:01:08.440 year and he's, he's, he's an idiot.

02:01:11.160 Absolutely.

02:01:11.840 Let's have concerns about this.

02:01:12.740 He was convicted of nothing.

02:01:13.780 He was accused of things.

02:01:15.560 Adam Schiff lies to the American people to subvert our elections and win political power.

02:01:20.440 More importantly, the moment Adam Schiff published the private phone records of John Solomon,

02:01:24.860 every single Republican.

02:01:26.020 And at the time they were, Oh, I'm so upset.

02:01:28.640 Once they won the majority, the first motion, the first move should have been Adam Schiff

02:01:32.480 is expelled for this violation of the, of, of American rights.

02:01:36.160 Instead, they sit, they sit on their hands and then George Santos says stupid things.

02:01:40.480 And they're like, all in favor of getting rid of our own party member because he's annoying.

02:01:44.340 I agree with that.

02:01:45.300 I agree with all that.

02:01:45.900 I think that we should start going after people for, listen to this, just regular sodomy laws.

02:01:50.420 Do you know?

02:01:50.860 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

02:01:53.340 go start, go start prosecuting people.

02:01:55.220 Go to every woman.

02:01:56.300 Because if you know what the real definition of sodomy is, go anything other than missionary,

02:02:00.620 basically.

02:02:01.020 There you go.

02:02:01.440 I'm being a little hyperbolic.

02:02:01.820 So go to every Republican thing and get, and go start prosecuting Democrats in their

02:02:05.920 states.

02:02:06.200 No, no, no, no, no.

02:02:07.000 That's what they're doing to Trump.

02:02:08.040 I'm all for that.

02:02:09.380 I'm fine playing hard, but you also don't want these.

02:02:12.480 And so how, how about, how are we still in the books in these states?

02:02:15.960 It's true.

02:02:16.980 But how about you expel Bowman right now?

02:02:20.720 Republican majority, you expelled Santos and Sanders brought this up.

02:02:24.820 They won't expel the guy who pulled the emergency signs off the door, pulled the fire

02:02:29.740 alarm and lied about it and he was criminally charged too.

02:02:32.900 There are members that were, did he plead guilty?

02:02:35.220 Yeah.

02:02:35.760 Yeah.

02:02:35.960 He ended up pleading.

02:02:36.860 He pleaded guilty and they won't remove this guy.

02:02:38.720 No.

02:02:38.980 And so when I say you give Vandru a call and you ask him why this is happening, you be

02:02:45.400 polite and you say, I'd like to reconcile this problem I'm having where Jamal Bowman broke

02:02:51.020 the law, admitted to it, is on camera doing it.

02:02:54.140 And y'all haven't expelled him, but George Santos, who was accused, has been expelled.

02:02:59.740 Bob Menendez in the Senate, still not been expelled after, after two very serious accusations.

02:03:04.820 And you know what?

02:03:05.760 I am fine with not expelling Menendez right now.

02:03:08.740 Prove it.

02:03:09.700 Prove it.

02:03:10.460 Bowman admitted to doing it and we watched him do it on camera.

02:03:13.280 And so I, I, I, I spare none of these Republicans, none of them.

02:03:17.460 I will go through this list and you know, we should do, you know what I'm gonna do from

02:03:20.540 now on?

02:03:20.860 How about I pull up a name every single day on Timcast IRL and I say today's member of Congress

02:03:25.180 is Anne Wagner, Republican from Missouri's second district.

02:03:27.980 And you give her a call if you live in the district and ask why Jamal Bowman can break

02:03:32.020 the law and you will not expel him.

02:03:34.140 And George Santos was only accused and that warranted removal by, uh, uh, uh, uh, by the

02:03:39.100 way, his seat's now been replaced by a Democrat.

02:03:41.400 That's fair.

02:03:41.920 Is it because you are stupid, evil, or both?

02:03:44.620 And make the direct ask, will you today go down to the house floor and introduce a resolution

02:03:47.940 to expel Bowman?

02:03:48.720 Because he could still do it.

02:03:49.920 They could do it today.

02:03:51.360 Go down to the house floor and introduce this.

02:03:53.020 If the house was open, they could, they could still move forward with it, but they don't play

02:03:55.800 the same games, but also call leadership, call leadership because everyone right now and

02:04:00.120 always be polite because you, and you have to actually live in the district, find your

02:04:05.000 rep, call them and politely ask them, please.

02:04:07.360 Some might say to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard peacefully and patriotically

02:04:14.060 make your voices heard and call your member of Congress and say, I would like you to introduce,

02:04:19.480 uh, in any way possible, the expulsion of Bowman for breaking the law and admitting to

02:04:24.120 it, it disrupted Congress.

02:04:26.140 We don't need to play stupid games, say, oh, it's an insurrection.

02:04:28.360 Oh, you know, we can joke about that on Twitter, but in reality, it's, this is a man who admitted

02:04:31.980 to breaking the law, disrupting the official proceedings.

02:04:34.740 He should be expelled.

02:04:36.040 Now, the Republicans have the majority to do so and should do so.

02:04:39.880 And if they give you him, if they have in hall, you ask them, and I'm talking about

02:04:43.380 those who specifically voted to expel Santos, you say, but you, you, you expelled Santos.

02:04:47.400 Certainly you could expel someone who literally broke the law and admitted it.

02:04:50.500 Call Speaker Johnson's office.

02:04:54.120 Either way, Speaker Johnson did not vote to remove Santos.

02:04:57.400 I don't believe.

02:04:57.900 Right.

02:04:58.100 And, and, and, uh, where does he represent?

02:05:00.020 Oh, that was the other thing.

02:05:00.840 Louisiana leadership, but he could, but he could introduce leadership with that vote at

02:05:04.820 all.

02:05:05.180 Leadership did not know that vote.

02:05:06.720 I think they actually, so leadership did not whip that vote, meaning that it was individually

02:05:11.140 up to these members.

02:05:11.880 Like they didn't get any sort of guidance and direction.

02:05:13.920 It was 100% upon them.

02:05:15.560 There was basically no consequences except for what the constituents thought of it.

02:05:19.020 Republicans are so pathetic.

02:05:21.060 No, they're, they're, you know what it is?

02:05:23.600 It's the, the, the, the rock stars come on TV and they're like, I'm a Democrat.

02:05:27.480 So rock on.

02:05:28.580 And then the Republicans are like, please think I'm cool.

02:05:31.280 Yeah.

02:05:31.600 You know, it reminds me of, it's like high school kid.

02:05:33.840 Who's like the cool, mysterious kid hanging out in the corner of the room and all the girls

02:05:36.840 like him.

02:05:37.300 And then there's the nerdy kid and he's like, I wish I was like him.

02:05:41.180 Yeah.

02:05:41.800 You know who has cars like that?

02:05:43.000 So Massey's one of them.

02:05:44.020 I used to have members say, Massey says no to everything.

02:05:46.780 And he's the type of guy.

02:05:47.900 And this is a quote that I would like that.

02:05:50.520 We would like to shove in a locker, like back in high school.

02:05:53.680 Like that's what they said about him.

02:05:54.960 And, and the members don't like him.

02:05:57.200 Like they don't like him.

02:05:58.280 And that's because he's obstructionary.

02:06:00.760 And it's kind of changed a little bit.

02:06:01.940 You know what?

02:06:02.280 I like him.

02:06:03.620 We've, we've had a lot of politicians come on Timcast IRL and you can tell which one

02:06:08.740 is a politician.

02:06:09.980 Massey is like, Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene are great because you're like, what

02:06:12.780 do you think of X?

02:06:13.320 And they go, fly.

02:06:14.420 There's no waiting.

02:06:15.340 They know what their answer is already.

02:06:16.760 I love it.

02:06:17.340 Someone asked Thomas Massey about ending birthright citizenship.

02:06:19.760 Of course.

02:06:20.700 There's not even a question.

02:06:21.800 He's like, yes.

02:06:22.920 It's like, okay.

02:06:23.800 So you want to know the gangster move about Massey?

02:06:25.980 Like we've talked about some cool people.

02:06:27.460 That's like pretty cool.

02:06:28.320 Here's it.

02:06:28.780 So he does all his own comms.

02:06:29.900 What?

02:06:30.220 He does his own Twitter.

02:06:31.360 So he does all his own, but no.

02:06:32.620 This is the gangster move.

02:06:33.520 This is whenever you know that they're a gangster.

02:06:36.540 He doesn't keep a war chest.

02:06:38.700 Everybody.

02:06:39.500 Gates.

02:06:40.360 MTG.

02:06:41.460 Everyone keeps a war chest.

02:06:43.680 He doesn't.

02:06:44.480 He sends the money back.

02:06:45.760 And so your money that you have for your campaign, they like to keep their money million, million,

02:06:50.900 five and above.

02:06:52.380 Massey sends it all back.

02:06:54.000 To the government?

02:06:54.920 To the people that gave it to him.

02:06:56.240 Oh, okay.

02:06:56.480 He sends it back.

02:06:57.560 And then when it's time to run an election, then he goes and says, hey, if you'd be willing,

02:07:01.580 you contributed in the past, if you'd be willing to it again, I'd super appreciate it.

02:07:04.500 But he doesn't keep a war chest.

02:07:06.460 I remember hearing a conversation with him and another member about it.

02:07:08.820 And he goes, war chests are a sign of weakness.

02:07:10.920 You're scared you're going to lose.

02:07:14.220 He's a good dude.

02:07:15.160 I mentioned doing his own comms.

02:07:16.500 There are members that also are just terrified to engage with the media whatsoever, and they

02:07:20.640 won't fight.

02:07:21.600 They just take the defensive position of the media.

02:07:24.360 And I work for people that did not accept that whatsoever.

02:07:27.840 I remember having to call a reporter's mother one time just because I couldn't get the reporter

02:07:32.400 themselves on the phone to actually answer a question.

02:07:35.060 And they berated me on social media for it.

02:07:39.380 But I mean, sometimes you just have to fight.

02:07:41.300 There's one time like with Madison Cawthorn that there was an NBC reporter or a producer

02:07:47.240 that had emailed the On the Hill NBC reporter and basically said, hey, we're trying to get

02:07:51.860 Madison Cawthorn's response on this, but we're afraid to email his office directly because

02:07:56.300 he might ask to come on the show because they were from Rachel Maddow.

02:07:58.740 And then that reporter accidentally CC'd me on that email trying to get me the contact.

02:08:06.200 And so if you Google Madison Cawthorn, Rachel Maddow right now, like it was the front page

02:08:12.080 story of Fox News for like 12 hours.

02:08:15.620 They had a chyron on there that said MSNBC, O-W-A-R-D, MSNBC coward.

02:08:20.940 And there was the Fox News article, like the main one, and they were highlighting the portions.

02:08:25.520 But people are too afraid sometimes to actually engage.

02:08:29.000 These people will not hesitate to rip your eyeballs out.

02:08:31.980 It's just the left.

02:08:33.280 Yeah, we would have met Rachel Maddow on any one of our shows here in two seconds.

02:08:36.780 If she showed up at my door abruptly, I would, I would.

02:08:40.020 And she said, I will do your show tonight, but just you and me, I'd be like, cancel whoever

02:08:43.400 else is coming on.

02:08:44.060 Rachel Maddow, you're sitting down, we're having the conversation.

02:08:45.620 Yeah.

02:08:46.000 But you do, you go the other way and they, they run away screaming.

02:08:49.160 No, they're terrified of it.

02:08:50.160 And you know, we, we asked to go on the show and they would not respond to us.

02:08:54.040 We asked publicly to go on the show and they wouldn't take him.

02:08:56.760 And I don't know if it was, they were afraid to debate.

02:08:58.820 They didn't want to give him a platform.

02:08:59.800 I don't know, but they don't want to have this dialogue and they shut people down whenever

02:09:03.860 they don't actually want to engage in any form of debate.

02:09:07.420 We're coming to it.

02:09:08.300 We're coming towards the end real quick.

02:09:09.400 So I want to do a rapid fire.

02:09:10.460 I just got questions.

02:09:11.240 I want everybody's takes.

02:09:11.940 Let's do it real quick.

02:09:13.580 Y'all.

02:09:14.700 VP.

02:09:14.900 Who's your pick?

02:09:16.580 Tim.

02:09:16.900 I don't have a good answer for that.

02:09:18.400 I don't either.

02:09:18.840 I don't know.

02:09:19.240 I guess like if the Vivek is the first thing I'd have to say, but I don't know that that's

02:09:23.600 the appropriate response because a VP is usually for political points, not like Vivek is, is

02:09:28.280 too top tier to be in this do nothing backroom position.

02:09:31.980 It doesn't have to be a do nothing position though.

02:09:34.580 Yeah.

02:09:35.200 What do you think of Roger Stone saying Tulsi Gabbard?

02:09:38.820 Yeah.

02:09:39.100 I think Tulsi Gabbard is a really, really great.

02:09:42.320 It is an intriguing position because initially I would say no.

02:09:46.780 And then as I think about it, appealing to the younger generation and to independence

02:09:50.700 and undecided is potentially moderates, former Democrats, military service on the back.

02:09:55.340 I was for Tulsi in 2020.

02:09:57.200 I'm still a big fan.

02:09:58.100 I contributed.

02:09:59.320 I was actually going to mention this because it's really great.

02:10:00.840 When I, when I donated to Tulsi's campaign, I got a call from Tulsi's mom.

02:10:04.060 Oh, wow.

02:10:04.600 And it was like the funniest thing.

02:10:05.740 I look at my phone and said Gabbard.

02:10:06.740 And I was like, what?

02:10:07.500 I was like, what is this?

02:10:08.240 And I answer?

02:10:08.540 Hello?

02:10:09.100 And I was like, hi, is this Tim Pool?

02:10:10.560 I was like, it is.

02:10:11.080 And it was Tulsi's mom.

02:10:12.040 And she was like, thank you.

02:10:13.100 And, and it was really, it was really great to have the conversation because, uh, I can't

02:10:18.060 speak for Tulsi, but the conversation was generally like what we talk about, what is

02:10:21.860 really happening, what we're concerned about, a fairly moderate conversation.

02:10:25.320 Uh, we want to disagree, but we want to work these things out.

02:10:27.380 And it was like, I was talking about the weird woke stuff.

02:10:31.180 And, and I think Tulsi is a moderating force for Democrats.

02:10:34.960 And this was back when Tulsi was a Democrat.

02:10:37.020 Tulsi Gabbard might, might, might.

02:10:38.300 Like, yeah, I think I would revise my answer and say Tulsi above Vivek.

02:10:42.020 And, but it is still coin tossy.

02:10:43.780 And the reason is a VP bounces out your ticket.

02:10:47.800 Vivek with Trump is just basically like Trump times two.

02:10:50.440 Yeah.

02:10:50.800 No, that's exactly right.

02:10:51.900 And it's why I said, I didn't think that it would be him because he needs someone to

02:10:54.620 appeal to the voters.

02:10:55.280 Like with Pence, he needed to appeal to the evangelical voters in the 2016 campaign.

02:10:59.260 I think Byron would be strong.

02:11:02.100 I like Byron as a, I like Byron Donald in general, but I don't know about that.

02:11:07.140 He's, I think, I actually think he's under real consideration.

02:11:10.100 Really?

02:11:10.700 I mean, he's awesome.

02:11:12.160 Yeah.

02:11:12.440 He's so cool.

02:11:13.480 Yeah.

02:11:13.800 I'm, I, I like Byron.

02:11:15.260 Yeah.

02:11:15.820 Yeah.

02:11:16.120 I do like Tulsi though.

02:11:18.040 I like Tulsi.

02:11:19.140 Military service.

02:11:20.040 And she's currently active, right?

02:11:21.640 She's a woman.

02:11:22.760 She's a woman.

02:11:25.560 I'm so sick of the identity politics things.

02:11:28.260 Like, Oh, we need like a token person, whatever.

02:11:30.720 She's a woman.

02:11:31.280 Like, let's pick a woman.

02:11:32.260 But not you didn't.

02:11:33.280 Take away the identity politics of it though.

02:11:34.840 It does enable you from a political perspective to speak on certain things from different perspectives.

02:11:39.880 Not because I'm a woman and you say that.

02:11:42.100 Oh, stop.

02:11:42.520 I don't care about, she's a woman and she's someone or whatever.

02:11:45.020 I don't want women in office.

02:11:45.700 I care that Tulsi is a former Democrat who saw the Democrats were going insane, moderated

02:11:50.300 her position, has revised some of her positions and, uh, represents former like post liberals.

02:11:56.240 Yeah.

02:11:56.580 So I, I was like, Tulsi Gabbard needs to save the democratic party when she was running because

02:12:00.600 the Democrats are going insane.

02:12:01.600 You've got corporate monsters and you've got woke psych psychotic behavior.

02:12:04.620 And I disagree with Tulsi on gun control and nuclear power, but she listens and talks

02:12:09.380 to people.

02:12:09.940 She does.

02:12:10.600 So who is RFK?

02:12:11.960 Military service is the most important thing.

02:12:13.960 Who is RFK Jr.

02:12:15.020 A threat to right now?

02:12:16.240 If the general election were next week, is it Biden?

02:12:18.280 Yeah.

02:12:18.520 Pull him off from Biden.

02:12:19.160 I think, I think I, did y'all see RFK Jr.'s video response to this, uh, state of the union

02:12:24.160 last night?

02:12:25.160 Oh, it's too long to play right now, but it's like five minutes.

02:12:28.160 It is epic.

02:12:29.500 Do you have any, what were your other rapid fire questions?

02:12:31.880 We'll get a couple.

02:12:32.600 Uh, after Trump, who do you want to see kind of taking the helm of the GOP?

02:12:36.380 Oh man, Ron DeSantis.

02:12:37.820 I'm kidding.

02:12:39.520 It's so sad actually.

02:12:41.020 Uh, man, honestly, I have no idea at this point because Ron was supposed to.

02:12:44.580 Right.

02:12:44.980 And then he just burned everything down.

02:12:46.920 I worked on that campaign down in Florida and I just, I, behind the scenes, I, I saw

02:12:52.120 that and I could tell, and he just, you know, he talked like this and he was like, can we

02:12:55.800 go to Wawa?

02:12:56.400 We went to Wawa four times in one day.

02:12:59.220 One time I was like, we got a Wawa.

02:13:00.040 Let's give him some credit.

02:13:01.360 No.

02:13:01.600 He killed it as a governor.

02:13:02.840 No.

02:13:03.020 You're not going to convince me he didn't kill it as a governor.

02:13:04.800 But, but how about this?

02:13:05.340 And then he killed his campaign.

02:13:06.580 Well, yeah.

02:13:06.920 And then, and then once he stopped running.

02:13:09.100 His videos.

02:13:10.000 Yes.

02:13:10.200 He was put out with.

02:13:10.980 What are you doing?

02:13:11.680 I was like, it's so good.

02:13:12.440 Exactly.

02:13:12.900 But he's another one.

02:13:13.700 He's another one that won't come on.

02:13:15.140 Right?

02:13:15.780 So we've asked him and we've asked his staff members to be on.

02:13:19.060 They're banned.

02:13:19.280 The staff members said to me, let me run it up the chain.

02:13:22.660 A guest who had been on before.

02:13:24.380 Right?

02:13:24.780 Let me run it up the chain.

02:13:26.300 And they were like, nope, I was told I'm not allowed to do it.

02:13:29.000 What?

02:13:29.240 So you know that all of the people.

02:13:31.040 Friends of ours.

02:13:31.600 You know that all of the people who are on the Trump campaign right now that have

02:13:34.600 gotten him to where he is were fired by Ron DeSantis.

02:13:37.080 Hold on.

02:13:37.360 Do you know this inside baseball?

02:13:38.460 No.

02:13:38.680 What is this?

02:13:39.200 Oh.

02:13:39.660 Okay.

02:13:39.680 So in 2018, do we have a time limit or can we just roll with it?

02:13:43.560 All right.

02:13:43.700 So in 2018, Ron DeSantis was losing badly and they brought on Susie Wiles to manage

02:13:49.880 the campaign and she won it for him and she knocked it out of the park.

02:13:53.820 She brought on and built the best team that that state had ever seen in a long time.

02:13:58.300 This is a 60-year-old, white-haired, older, like this is not a political.

02:14:04.080 She is one of the sweetest people I've ever interacted with and she's given me a ton of

02:14:07.520 opportunities.

02:14:08.300 He fired her because Casey DeSantis.

02:14:10.960 Say what position he gave her first.

02:14:12.560 Oh, uh, gave her?

02:14:14.380 Yeah.

02:14:14.540 So she was his chief of staff in the governor's office for a short period of time.

02:14:18.040 I don't think so.

02:14:18.980 No?

02:14:19.320 No, it was on the transition side.

02:14:20.680 Oh, on the transition.

02:14:21.200 She was on the transition side.

02:14:22.880 And so, um, Casey DeSantis went to the Florida GOP and realized that there were probably more

02:14:28.860 Susie loyalists than there were DeSantis loyalists and she didn't like that.

02:14:33.420 Wow.

02:14:33.740 So there was an internal fighting and she was pushed out.

02:14:37.520 They had blamed it on like she was leaking to the media or whatever.

02:14:40.660 And then there were a couple of other staffers that went along with her, but basically it

02:14:45.100 was like one fell swoop that everyone I'd worked with on the campaign was suddenly out

02:14:48.500 and they had wanted me to come down and work in Florida.

02:14:50.140 And so not only did he get her fired from the transition team, but he got her fired from

02:14:55.740 her lobbying group, the Ballard Partners in Washington, DC, got her fired from her position

02:15:00.200 on the Trump reelection campaign in 2020 and single handedly made sure that she was unemployed.

02:15:06.160 Trump hired her a few months later.

02:15:07.980 And within the span of two years, she and Trump and that whole team had basically completely

02:15:14.220 obliterated Ron DeSantis's career.

02:15:16.580 Well, you will never hear from her.

02:15:17.680 Do you remember, do you remember when there was like that weird, like, is there something

02:15:21.580 going on between Trump and DeSantis like early on?

02:15:24.260 And there was just like whispers.

02:15:25.580 That's whenever all of this was happening.

02:15:27.240 Ron DeSantis has proven he should be nowhere near politics after his, his term is up.

02:15:32.940 He ran or did not run.

02:15:35.320 Whatever he did with his campaign was so miserably bad with no ever with, with never an attempt

02:15:41.500 to actually fix the problems.

02:15:43.500 That's just it.

02:15:44.260 So, you know, you were telling us in real life, like in two, I, I, well, then there you

02:15:47.140 go.

02:15:47.260 He shouldn't be, I was working around him in 2018.

02:15:49.580 I was, that's when I was took that Middle East foreign policy thing and he was working

02:15:52.900 on some Israel stuff and he was unlikable, like really arrogant, not nice to his staff.

02:16:00.620 I mean, that's how he was.

02:16:01.540 He was very interpersonally awkward.

02:16:03.200 You're not going to tell me he wasn't a great.

02:16:04.140 So we have, uh, Matt Gates, but I don't think he wants to, he wants governor of Florida.

02:16:09.840 You think he does though?

02:16:11.080 Yeah.

02:16:11.640 But, but when, like not for a while, I'd imagine.

02:16:14.400 After DeSantis.

02:16:15.420 Really?

02:16:16.820 I mean, if you miss your moment in politics for advancement, you miss it.

02:16:20.360 Like if that window closes, I think it's gone.

02:16:23.580 You think.

02:16:24.040 Which is tough because I think Byron wants it too.

02:16:25.480 So I think, I think Matt is at a higher profile than a governorship right now.

02:16:30.060 You can't compare the two.

02:16:31.240 I get it.

02:16:33.100 So, so, so yeah.

02:16:33.940 Like he has a good profile.

02:16:35.680 He's got a big national profile.

02:16:37.140 Yeah.

02:16:37.240 I understand that.

02:16:38.060 He gets paid $180,000 and he has $2 million for staff.

02:16:42.400 Okay.

02:16:43.120 You become a governor.

02:16:44.360 You have an army.

02:16:45.520 Yeah.

02:16:46.180 You have your own army.

02:16:47.780 Okay.

02:16:48.180 You got your own guard.

02:16:49.020 You got, he has the state of Florida.

02:16:50.800 Okay.

02:16:51.240 Okay.

02:16:51.640 Does he feel like lunch in Miami or Tampa?

02:16:54.020 And then instead of yelling at the state of the union, he is then suddenly being able

02:16:58.480 to, you know, going around and can start doing the same, some of the same things that

02:17:01.880 Frank.

02:17:02.060 I'm for it.

02:17:02.840 Right.

02:17:03.860 Yeah.

02:17:04.060 Matt, Matt Gates for, for governor would be fantastic, but he's, he's like our best member

02:17:08.300 of Congress.

02:17:08.820 That would suck.

02:17:09.440 Byron.

02:17:09.840 Byron.

02:17:10.340 That's true.

02:17:10.860 That's yeah.

02:17:11.260 Byron's great.

02:17:11.780 Byron wants it.

02:17:12.660 I know, but he's.

02:17:13.240 My understanding.

02:17:14.180 Wants.

02:17:14.620 Wants.

02:17:14.840 They publicly fought.

02:17:16.240 They publicly fought over this like three months ago and they had labeled, well, because

02:17:22.140 it wasn't the game, the game that we were watching with that battle.

02:17:25.020 Wasn't the one being played as Matt would say.

02:17:27.300 And so whenever there was this like outward friction between Donald's proposing some sort

02:17:33.000 of legislation, I don't even remember what it was related to.

02:17:36.000 Gates went on the attack and started like literally labeling Byron's legislation, like

02:17:39.800 the Byron Donald's amnesty.

02:17:41.120 It was something I think about immigration.

02:17:43.060 And it was just like, this, this is not over the bill in Congress right now.

02:17:48.060 It's like anyone outside of Florida that thinks that it is, is totally blind.

02:17:52.040 This is obvious jockeying for being the governor of Florida.

02:17:55.780 So governor of Florida is what?

02:17:57.240 Eight years.

02:17:57.940 Yeah.

02:17:58.300 Two terms for each.

02:17:59.840 So if Matt Gates takes, it makes that move.

02:18:03.540 So what Ron is, is what it's, it's, he's still got a couple of years, right?

02:18:08.260 Or no.

02:18:08.560 Uh, he, he, he was sworn in, in 2019.

02:18:13.160 So he's four years, right?

02:18:14.420 He's got, he's got like three more years.

02:18:15.520 He's on his second term.

02:18:16.360 He's, he's one year.

02:18:17.640 And it's already been almost a year.

02:18:19.080 So maybe three more years.

02:18:20.040 Three more years.

02:18:20.960 So then, uh, Matt.

02:18:22.920 So, I mean, we're not, we're not looking at a potential Matt Gates move for higher office.

02:18:26.000 He'd be president, like leader of the Republican party is not going to be for like.

02:18:28.740 I think Matt wants to be the AG.

02:18:31.100 I love it.

02:18:31.860 I think he wants to be the AG of Florida and then he could potentially be tapped.

02:18:36.120 If, if, if, no, if Trump wins, he should appoint Matt Gates, the attorney general of

02:18:39.280 the, he would have to be acting AG because that's confirmed by the Senate.

02:18:43.000 Yeah.

02:18:43.340 And so he would never be acting.

02:18:46.720 He is done.

02:18:47.640 Yeah.

02:18:47.940 That's, that would be great.

02:18:48.760 I told cash to, we're talking to cash Patel.

02:18:50.600 And I was like, we just need a good AG.

02:18:52.780 I mean that to restore confidence in law enforcement in this country, we just need someone who can actually

02:18:56.600 get it done.

02:18:57.040 Well, so, so let's, let's, let's, uh, let's say this one, uh, who, who do you guys think

02:19:01.200 is, is next in line after Trump?

02:19:04.140 Politics is such a, you know, like so many things changed so quickly.

02:19:08.240 Um, I think a rising star is JD Vance.

02:19:11.860 Yeah.

02:19:12.460 JD Vance has done really well.

02:19:14.560 Um, he hasn't done a ton on the policy front, but besides he comes down on and the way he

02:19:18.800 messages has been good.

02:19:20.600 Well, more pressing and the more frustrating question is who's going to take over as Senate

02:19:25.680 leader, right?

02:19:26.920 That's more, that's more in front of our faces.

02:19:29.280 And there is no way that Trump jr throws up his hands and allows that political dynasty

02:19:34.560 to slide into history.

02:19:36.340 I don't see Trump jr as following in the footsteps of, I don't, I don't necessarily mean that

02:19:42.240 that is who that he is going to run necessarily.

02:19:45.340 I think that what, but whatever happens, like he will be deeply involved in whatever happens

02:19:50.920 in the next, I say this a lot, but I feel like, uh, Don jr is too much of a regular dude.

02:19:55.200 Like he, he's, he's a down to earth guy who he's.

02:19:58.140 I think he likes being Kingmaker, frankly, which is why I think he'd be heavily involved.

02:20:01.800 Yeah.

02:20:02.240 I don't, I don't see him, you know?

02:20:04.920 Yeah.

02:20:05.300 I don't know.

02:20:06.260 It's, it's certainly, it's certainly possible, but he's seen me.

02:20:10.000 Maybe Kingmaker is a better way to look at what he would do behind the scenes, supporting

02:20:13.060 candidates and things like that.

02:20:14.400 I'll give you somebody who not now, but in the future.

02:20:17.620 So I'm a big, I wish you could buy stock and members, right?

02:20:22.000 Like, cause we see, well, I mean, you can, no, no, no, no.

02:20:24.800 I'm saying like, predict it.

02:20:26.040 Just follow them, follow their stock trend.

02:20:27.680 I guess, but no, I'm not, I'm saying like, you see members where I'm like, that member

02:20:31.880 has the juice.

02:20:33.560 One of those members is Dan Bishop, Dan Bishop out of North Carolina.

02:20:37.160 He's running for attorney general of North Carolina.

02:20:39.700 He, he should have been, and this is not a shot at Jim Jordan.

02:20:43.300 He should have been the head of the new weaponization committee.

02:20:47.220 Um, he.

02:20:48.580 Dan is our friend too.

02:20:49.960 Yeah.

02:20:50.280 Like we know him personally.

02:20:51.020 Dan Bishop.

02:20:51.320 That's the name I was trying to remember downstairs when I said that a member went to Madison

02:20:55.240 and said, I'll be like your mentor.

02:20:56.620 That's what I was talking about.

02:20:57.480 But we, we, we, we, like this guy reads the bills.

02:21:00.420 This guy.

02:21:01.060 Yeah.

02:21:01.400 And that's got a great son.

02:21:02.240 And that is great.

02:21:02.900 But being president and being leader of a party is, is something else.

02:21:06.280 Donald Trump wasn't in politics.

02:21:08.360 Right.

02:21:08.480 He's just like Trump walks in the room and it's almost like there is an energy coming off

02:21:13.700 and forcing you back.

02:21:14.920 It's so powerful.

02:21:15.660 Like you just, this guy, it's a different level.

02:21:17.780 I don't think it is anybody that we can name in this room right now.

02:21:20.520 I know it's tough.

02:21:21.640 Yeah.

02:21:22.200 Kanye West.

02:21:24.560 He's been in this room.

02:21:25.480 Which chair was the Kanye seat?

02:21:27.100 I actually wanted to know.

02:21:28.120 Oh, dang it.

02:21:29.880 Oh crap.

02:21:31.120 Everything changes so quickly.

02:21:32.320 If you remember like right before Trump announced and all that, it was like Rand Paul was getting

02:21:36.140 the cover of time and people were like rallying behind him a little bit.

02:21:39.280 There was a, like a quick moment.

02:21:40.300 And Santorum was legit then one day like.

02:21:42.620 This is like a while ago.

02:21:43.820 And then Trump came and like sucked all the life out of the room.

02:21:46.200 I got it.

02:21:46.460 So things can shit.

02:21:46.940 I was at Santorum's house.

02:21:47.860 Hold on.

02:21:48.340 Four months ago.

02:21:48.740 How tall, how tall is Thomas Massey?

02:21:51.840 Shorter than me.

02:21:52.560 I'm 5'11".

02:21:53.000 He's probably like 5'10".

02:21:54.100 5'10".

02:21:54.680 Okay.

02:21:55.260 It's not bad.

02:21:56.440 You know, typically presidents are getting taller and taller, but can we get Thomas Massey

02:22:00.920 to go on like a CrossFit routine?

02:22:02.820 Just get like super ripped?

02:22:04.480 Hold on.

02:22:04.980 Hold on.

02:22:05.480 Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause.

02:22:09.240 Everyone, Thomas Massey.

02:22:10.780 Why is he not running to replace that Senate seat in Kentucky?

02:22:13.940 Thomas Massey in the U.S. Senate?

02:22:15.500 Yes, please.

02:22:17.660 Well, what I'm saying is let's get like Hollywood level, like makeup and fashion.

02:22:24.460 We'll get, we'll get a Hollywood trainer.

02:22:26.320 Swag him out.

02:22:27.000 Just three weeks of hardcore.

02:22:28.700 Just get him insanely ripped and then have him run.

02:22:32.300 And just, you know what I mean?

02:22:33.440 Just like, let's, let's give him the Hollywood treatment to maximize all of the personal.

02:22:37.920 Have him, have him, have him do like.

02:22:39.180 The full Rocky routine you're saying.

02:22:40.180 The full Rocky routine.

02:22:41.620 But then also like.

02:22:42.400 Nice Schwarzenegger.

02:22:43.080 I'll audit the Fed.

02:22:45.600 Yeah, just like, let's make him, this is the guy who should be president, but he's not

02:22:50.660 going to want to be.

02:22:51.220 And that's kind of why I want him to be.

02:22:52.860 You know, we just got to put the full Hollywood treatment behind him.

02:22:56.400 Get him super ripped.

02:22:57.300 Maybe, maybe he can wear those high heels at Ron DeSantis War.

02:22:59.640 But the thing is you're going to get the makeup on him and you're going to get him all

02:23:02.060 ready and he's going to be ripped and we're going to get him ready for the debate

02:23:04.640 and it's all looking good.

02:23:05.820 And then he comes out and he's got this big, ugly debt counter clock on his $5,000 suit.

02:23:10.620 And you're like, no, sir, we had a look going.

02:23:12.060 He's like, it counts the debt.

02:23:14.220 I got one of those right here.

02:23:16.560 He's going to have to get some more digits on that thing.

02:23:18.340 That's awesome.

02:23:19.080 He was wearing it last night.

02:23:19.620 Did you ask him about, did he tell you about his app controlled solar powered chicken feeder?

02:23:25.320 Of course.

02:23:25.980 Oh, he's so proud of it.

02:23:26.760 The Clux Capacitor.

02:23:27.680 Clux Capacitor 3000.

02:23:28.620 It's not a feeder.

02:23:29.800 It's a, it moves slowly in the grass.

02:23:32.480 So the chickens in the coop always have fresh grass.

02:23:34.700 Oh, that's what you were telling me about that.

02:23:36.140 And he says, and it leaves a trail of chicken poop, which makes the grass super fertile.

02:23:40.460 Yeah.

02:23:40.800 You need to watch the swamp on HBO, that documentary, because they go to his house and they show how

02:23:45.320 his whole house has run off the Tesla battery and it's off the grid and things like that.

02:23:49.120 It's just, it's really good.

02:23:50.520 And the thing is, he doesn't want power.

02:23:53.100 And that's, that's, that's, you know, we have to, we have to pressure him really, really.

02:23:57.200 We had to peer pressure him for higher office.

02:23:58.820 I would love for him to do so.

02:23:59.740 So he almost ran for governor.

02:24:00.880 So what happened was they were redistricting in Kentucky and they almost redistricted him

02:24:06.020 to him into like a city with like a, basically made his district, like a toss up district.

02:24:10.420 And I think it was Raleigh.

02:24:11.520 I think he goes, or not Raleigh.

02:24:12.740 What's the capital of Kentucky?

02:24:14.780 Louisville.

02:24:14.940 Is it Louisville?

02:24:15.680 No, no, no, it's not Louisville.

02:24:16.860 Louisville's the biggest city, but it's not the capital.

02:24:18.900 Anyways, they were going to draw the capital into his district, making it extremely blue.

02:24:24.000 And is that right?

02:24:26.600 Yeah.

02:24:26.880 I was going to say Frankfurt, but they were going to draw Frankfurt into his district.

02:24:30.000 So he goes, look, if I'm going to represent the capital, it's going to be his governor.

02:24:33.960 So basically, if you do this, I'll just run for governor.

02:24:36.180 And they were like, no, no, no, no, no.

02:24:38.280 And they drew him back out.

02:24:39.720 Wow.

02:24:40.880 All right.

02:24:41.360 Well, we're, we're a little bit, we're a little bit over.

02:24:43.420 I don't know if we're going to be able to make any good predictions, but do you guys want

02:24:46.820 to final thoughts, wrap up, shut anything out before we go?

02:24:49.420 We need good people working in the swamp, even if it does suck sometimes, but get a good

02:24:54.760 foundation before you get up there, a church, a mentor base or something like that.

02:24:58.500 Because if you're just left by yourself, you are going to fall, falter and fail.

02:25:02.340 And you won't work for the American people like you should, I guess, for members too.

02:25:07.500 I don't know.

02:25:09.380 You go for, I work here.

02:25:11.340 You go.

02:25:12.660 Yeah.

02:25:13.320 Just end with mine.

02:25:15.180 He's like, mine was quality.

02:25:16.760 In the stream.

02:25:17.200 Well, like, what's your social media?

02:25:18.500 What do you want to shout out?

02:25:19.320 At Luke T. Ball.

02:25:20.860 I don't do personal social media.

02:25:22.400 I do our company, Masonborough.

02:25:24.240 Masonborough Strategies.

02:25:24.960 Masonborough Strategies.

02:25:26.520 Yeah.

02:25:26.980 And I think that, I think the final thought for me would be when we talked about who do

02:25:33.360 you want to be in DC?

02:25:34.440 What do we want to see?

02:25:36.240 Stop trying to, you know, find the most likable person, the funniest ad, the most relatable,

02:25:41.720 whatever.

02:25:42.640 Find the people with courage who will stand up because that's the most lacking thing is actual

02:25:46.480 having that.

02:25:46.860 Look at their ideology scores too.

02:25:48.340 Like if her re-election.

02:25:50.060 Yeah.

02:25:50.640 Yeah.

02:25:51.060 Well, thanks for coming, gentlemen.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool

The Culture War #54 Former DC Congressional Staff Expose THE SWAMP, Secrets Inside DC

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