The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #56 The Death Of Western Man & His Revival w⧸ Rollo Tomassi & Tim Gordon

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00:00:58.140 Marriage rates are on the decline. Birth rates are on the decline. Young men are not having

00:01:02.940 relationships. There's an interesting divide politically where women seem to be skewing

00:01:06.500 leftward and men seem to be skewing to the right. And I believe it's plainly obvious there is a strong

00:01:12.580 moral decay in this country and in the West in general, which has led to a lot of interesting

00:01:16.920 conversations around dating, masculinity. Jordan Peterson, of course, becomes extremely popular by

00:01:22.380 telling young men to clean their rooms and lift heavy things. Andrew Tate becomes extremely popular

00:01:27.040 for similar reasons. Maybe young men are looking for strong and masculine role models that can

00:01:33.020 teach them how to be strong men and they're not getting that anymore. Or maybe something else is

00:01:38.860 going on. So we're going to talk about all of that. We're going to debate a bunch and let's talk

00:01:42.800 about the death of the Western man and his revival. We got a couple of guests. Do you want to

00:01:46.820 introduce yourself first?

00:01:47.400 Rolla Tomasi. I'm the co-host of Access Vegas, also the Rational Mail, the author of the Rational

00:01:53.720 Mail, as well as the five book series, the Rational Mail. Right on. And good, sir.

00:01:59.180 I'm Timothy J. Gordon. I'm the author of the case for patriarchy. And I run an online show called

00:02:06.500 Rules for Retrogrades. Thanks. All right. Ian's hanging out. Hi, everyone. Good to see you guys.

00:02:11.520 I thought it'd be interesting to ask Ian here because he recently started working out and it's spiking his

00:02:17.200 testosterone and he's getting angrier and he was just working out the other day.

00:02:22.000 Aggression issues.

00:02:22.660 I didn't know, but Rolla, you play Magic the Gathering, so I'm glad I'm here.

00:02:25.760 Yes. I'm a closet nerd. I'm a closet nerd.

00:02:28.520 So I think we're all in agreement that the patriarchy is a good thing and men should be in

00:02:33.020 charge of it all. Thank you for hanging out. And that's our show.

00:02:34.760 What is it? How do you define patriarchy?

00:02:36.240 Goodbye.

00:02:36.740 How do you define it? The patriarchy.

00:02:38.800 Power to fathers. It's all about family. And that's literally what the term means is power to

00:02:44.020 fathers. In this country, I hope we're going to talk about the declining interest in men

00:02:50.340 and family. And of course, patriarchy is all about men who are siring children with one

00:02:57.260 wife monogamously. And it's being made unattractive to them by a kind of design from the top.

00:03:02.280 I don't know if it's Latin or Greek or whatever. Arche meaning authority. Patriar meaning the male

00:03:07.820 father rule.

00:03:09.180 Patris.

00:03:09.600 Patris. Yeah. Is it Latin?

00:03:11.260 Yeah.

00:03:11.660 Okay. There you go.

00:03:12.400 Latin root.

00:03:13.120 Latin root.

00:03:13.620 Right, right. Because I learned a little bit from my good anarchist friends when they

00:03:17.480 tried to explain anarchy means without authority.

00:03:20.180 Yeah.

00:03:20.580 There you go. So patriarchy means authority to the dudes. And so what are we in right now

00:03:25.440 if we're not into patriarchy? Are we in a patriarchy?

00:03:27.680 We're in a gynocentric social order is what we're really in right now.

00:03:30.800 Gynocentric social order.

00:03:32.440 All right. Explain that.

00:03:33.480 Well, I mean, honestly, I think that there's probably a lot of crossover between, say, patriarchy

00:03:40.140 and the red pill, you know, red pill thought, let's just say.

00:03:43.620 Well, let's pause real quick. There's a big difference between like MAGA red pill and the

00:03:48.420 red pill you're describing.

00:03:49.080 Yeah.

00:03:49.720 You got to. Yeah. Maybe you should clarify terms here. As far as a red pill is concerned,

00:03:53.880 the way that I approach it is through intersexual dynamics. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

00:03:58.600 I'm not talking about politics. I'm not talking about philosophy. I'm not talking about anything

00:04:01.340 else. It's strictly intersexual dynamics. So, um, and, and this, I believe, uh, the,

00:04:07.200 the concept of the red pill and the way you're describing it predates MAGA and politics.

00:04:11.560 Oh yeah. Well, you got to remember, like I've been doing this material, I guess, for 22 years

00:04:16.600 now. So really since about 2004, 2002, somewhere around there, uh, the early pickup artist days

00:04:22.640 all the way up through, you know, the, what became the manosphere, what became the red pill,

00:04:26.580 what we call that, what we call it today. So, um, I think a lot of it gets bastardized,

00:04:32.360 especially during election seasons, like right around 2015, 2016, you got a Candace Owens

00:04:36.800 who used to be call herself, you know, red pill black. That was her, her first Twitter

00:04:40.420 handle. I remember those days too, because I remember when you used to strap a GoPro to

00:04:44.240 your head and you'd go down to Berkeley and, you know, go and see if somebody is going to

00:04:47.140 stir something up there, you know, Milo Yiannopoulos or Ann Coulter. Um, but we go, we tend to

00:04:52.440 go in cycles. And I think that a lot of people sort of appropriate the red pill to like

00:04:56.400 represent whatever their, you know, their pet ideology happens to be. And usually it comes

00:05:00.860 up like during election season, same thing happened in 2019, 2020, same thing happening

00:05:04.920 right now. Yeah. I think of it as like an awakening, like from the matrix comes from that movie.

00:05:08.540 Like, do you want to take the red pill and wake up and see reality as it is? Or do you

00:05:11.260 want to take the blue pill? It's sort of like breaking, breaking the cycle of, of seeing

00:05:14.980 things one way and then being aware a new, when I refer to red pill, I refer to it as red pill

00:05:20.820 awareness. So what is it in terms of the intersexual dynamics? How do you, what is the red

00:05:26.340 pill in regards to that? Well, I mean, a lot of it, I think a lot of the, what we call

00:05:30.340 red pill right now, sort of a bastardization of really what is the praxeology of the red

00:05:34.780 pill, which is, um, it's, it's, it's essentially just data. It's essentially just understanding

00:05:41.140 data and then, uh, forming opinions. And are you, are you feel familiar with the OODA loop?

00:05:46.300 I've heard that before. What is it? It's a, it's a military term, but it's also like coders

00:05:49.600 use it as well. It's, uh, observe, orient, um, decide and act. So of the first two observe

00:05:56.220 and orient, that would be the red pill, like understanding what's going on, orienting yourself

00:06:00.340 to what's going on. Decide and act is, is really sort of the practice. What are you going to

00:06:04.480 do with the information that you already have? So when I'm referring to the red pill, it's

00:06:09.120 about intersexual dynamics, but it's about understanding the stats. It's understanding

00:06:12.240 the, the day, the data first orienting to that data, interpreting it, and then deciding and

00:06:17.900 then acting. That's usually where you've got like, say, Pearl Davis, or you've got, uh, you know,

00:06:21.960 Andrew Tate, or are these some people who want to go out there and make a living or go commercialize

00:06:26.440 the decide and the act part of that OODA loop right there? Look, why don't we, uh, start from

00:06:31.100 the beginning and identify what the problem is today. And I mentioned in both of your guys'

00:06:35.160 perspective on what the problem is. I don't know if someone wants to jump in first, uh, problem

00:06:39.880 like with young men today or, well, so we, we, we know that there's a problem. Young men aren't

00:06:44.880 having kids. They're not getting married. They're, uh, stunted in Japan. They've had this thing going

00:06:49.160 on for quite a bit. I'm sure, you know, Hikikomori, you familiar with this? It's been around for a

00:06:52.300 while. Yeah. Yeah. For those that aren't familiar, it's this, uh, it's a specific way of describing

00:06:57.800 kid, like young men who locked themselves in their room, do nothing all day, play video games,

00:07:01.000 don't exercise, don't get sunlight, don't work. Uh, what, what, what, what do we call that in

00:07:05.300 America? Not in education, training, uh, needs, needs, not, not in education, employment,

00:07:10.880 or training. And so, uh, or it's, it's similar. Why is that happening? I think it's because we

00:07:17.720 have the ability to do that right now, because we have the luxury of being able to do those things.

00:07:22.240 We live in a, I mean, Western societies right now, it's those young men can do that. Yeah.

00:07:27.840 We've never been a more sedated society than we are right now. So we sedate ourselves with,

00:07:33.140 with pornography. We sedate ourselves with the internet. We sedate ourselves with video games.

00:07:37.660 We sedate ourselves with weed. We sedate ourselves with alcohol, with, uh, prescription opiates,

00:07:42.560 name your sedation right now. And I will point out where in society it is affordable. And it's a

00:07:49.020 luxury that we can, we can have right now simply because we live in the, you know, a very rich

00:07:53.880 society. And I, I would, I would agree with all of those problems role is just identified, but I

00:07:59.300 would, I would add this loop that egalitarianism is the real beginning. It began in 1848 at something

00:08:06.440 called the Seneca Falls convention of a first wave feminists. These were the worst sorts of

00:08:11.420 feminists. And we've all bought the trope that first wave feminism was somehow good. So we have

00:08:15.980 sex egalitarianism telling brainwashing men and women that they're the same thing,

00:08:21.360 uh, brainwashing Christians that they're the same thing that, that women need to be in the workforce.

00:08:25.680 Um, uh, basically a, a non-Christian view of human sexuality was, was pushed on young Christian

00:08:33.520 men. Um, that, you know, whether, whether it's a combination of sort of Muslim and Jewish views

00:08:39.580 about sexuality, um, Christianity mocked, marriage and family spurned. And it's, it's interesting when

00:08:47.840 you look at what's coming down from FBI, CIA, NSA, um, really a, a negative view of marriage

00:08:55.660 pushed in, in Hollywood by something I call, um, Moon Beasley complex, right? Women are fun,

00:09:02.440 romantic, feminine while they're looking to court a man. And then as soon as they get engaged,

00:09:07.920 you put a ring on it. They're depicted like Daphne Moon or Pam Beasley as, uh, furrowing the brow.

00:09:15.300 And then marriage, the boot comes down and it's hell. And, and this is predictive programming.

00:09:20.840 This is destroying. Quick question. Rollo. Are you a Christian? Yes. Okay. Just, just wondering

00:09:25.000 if, you know, uh, what I find interesting, we were, we've talked about this quite a bit when

00:09:29.620 it comes up, but I despise married with children. You ever see that show? Yes. Uh, I was a kid.

00:09:34.360 I could never get behind that show. Uh, wasn't funny. Uh, I don't know if it was funny or not. I was a

00:09:38.820 little kid. Uh, so all I know is it came on every night. I'd want to watch the Simpsons and when, uh,

00:09:44.600 but Simpsons also has its problems too, but at the very least Homer and Marge love each other

00:09:48.220 very, very much. And I thought it was funny that Homer would strangle Bart and, uh, you know,

00:09:53.120 that was- Alcoholic abusive father. Yeah, seriously. It was funny. Be real now. It was funny. It wasn't

00:09:58.600 healthy, but, but what I hated about married with children was, um, they hate each other so much.

00:10:04.600 And so, you know, when I'm a kid, I was just like, wow, this is what marriage is. All the time. I heard

00:10:10.360 adults making jokes about marriage is awful. You don't want to get married. Everyone hates their

00:10:13.680 marriages. Primetime television saying, oh, getting married. Jeez. I hate my wife.

00:10:18.380 But the thing is on that people all identified, Tim, that married with children was unsubtly

00:10:25.760 about hating marriage. What happened, what really came in, in the late eighties, early nineties,

00:10:31.580 you see it. I pick the, the office and Frasier cause they're two of the biggest sitcoms of all time.

00:10:37.100 You see what Daphne Moon and Pam Beasley, that very romantic relationships are, are, are begun

00:10:44.820 the standard way with, with gender non-egalitarianism. The woman is feminine.

00:10:51.000 The man is masculine. Jim and Pam, they were America's sweethearts. But with Moon Beasley

00:10:56.560 complex, which is predictive programming that's distinguishable from married with children,

00:11:02.060 what you have is the foot slowly coming down. And by the time, literally, if you go to seasons

00:11:08.200 seven, eight, nine, 10, 11 of Frasier, once Niles and Daphne are together, I don't know if you guys

00:11:14.160 remember that show, one of the greatest of all time. She's just frowning every, every single shot

00:11:19.580 of Daphne. Now Niles' wife, she's frowning. She's miserable. She's miserable. She's so, she's so pleasant

00:11:25.720 and lovely before that. And then it slowly turns when they get together and get engaged. And it's

00:11:31.220 the exact same character arc in the nine seasons of The Office. This is predictive programming and

00:11:37.140 it comes down from the top and it's, it's part of our-

00:11:40.180 You also have the, the, the archetype of the, sort of the doofy dad, like you were mentioning

00:11:43.920 Homer Simpson, like that's the, those are the, those are the archetypes you're, you're getting really

00:11:47.840 since the, well, I guess the late seventies, early eighties through where we are right now.

00:11:51.320 You basically have three archetypes. You've got the doofy dad who needs mom, Marge to save him

00:11:57.260 from himself, right? You know, she's with her feminine while she's going to be the one who's

00:12:01.740 going to like sort of, you know, her intuition, right? She's going to save him from like, you know,

00:12:04.820 setting the house on fire. Maybe sometimes, I don't know. I don't know if I agree with that.

00:12:08.200 And then there's, so then there's the other archetypes. The other archetype is the borderline abuser,

00:12:12.300 the guy who's like, he's just a controlling, domineering, possessive son of a bitch who is just this

00:12:17.340 side of like sending her to a, you know, women's shelter. And then there's the guy

00:12:21.200 to the moon, to the moon. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Jackie Gleason. Yeah. Jackie Gleason archetype.

00:12:26.140 And then there's a really more in recent times. I think it's the incompetent guy. It's the more

00:12:30.900 millennial slash Gen Z zoomer guy who doesn't know how to drive a stick. He doesn't know how to tie,

00:12:36.520 you know, tie a tie. He doesn't know how to do, you know, he's incompetent. So those are really sort

00:12:41.340 of the three archetypes that women think that they have to choose from. And they don't want to choose

00:12:46.360 from any of those. I got to give a shout out to Futurama back when we had good shows. I mean,

00:12:50.160 they're bringing it back, I guess. But it's like the first episode, I think they go to the moon

00:12:54.500 and Fry and Lila characters in the show are doing a moon tour. And it's like, and here's the history

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00:14:27.820 On the moon. And then they show a clip where it's like, here's a reenactment from early

00:14:34.840 American astronauts. And it's Jackie Gleason going, one of these days, hang, zoom, straight

00:14:41.320 to the moon. And then Leela's like, I didn't realize your astronauts were so fat. He's like,

00:14:45.740 he's not an astronaut. He was just using space travel for as a metaphor for beating his wife.

00:14:50.760 It's funny because it's true. I've got this train of thought now that you mentioned 1848,

00:14:54.400 the beginning of this was the rise of the feminist movement. So is this like with hyper-industrialist

00:14:59.620 movement to get the women into the workforce, get women rights to get them out on their feet?

00:15:03.120 Because this is like right around when the railroads are starting to get the 1800s,

00:15:05.980 like industrialization. And then that leads to corporate oligopoly, which leads to communism,

00:15:09.740 like no fault divorce in the eighties. But like, is this all part of the destruction?

00:15:12.740 I don't think it's any, maybe he'll confer with this. I don't think it's any coincidence that

00:15:16.780 Marxism and feminism came up right around the same time. I would argue that in the initial,

00:15:23.720 right after Senate, I use, when I talk about feminism, I don't talk about it in waves because

00:15:27.960 I don't believe there were any waves. I think it's the same fucking thing that it's been for forever.

00:15:31.840 Okay. It's only been interrupted by wars and civil unrest. And when we got to the point where it was,

00:15:37.620 what 1920 is when we had the 19th amendment ratified, right? It was the suffragette movement

00:15:42.880 was supposed to be just so we can get our women can get the right to vote and everything. But it was

00:15:46.400 much more than that. They were referred to as terrorists back then in the United States and in the UK

00:15:51.360 at that time. I mean, seriously bombing, like police precincts, planning assassinations,

00:15:56.040 things like that. There's a really great book. It's called the, the suffragette bombers. And it

00:16:01.040 goes through like the new cycle of what was going on during that time. And really they were referred

00:16:05.720 to as terrorists right up until maybe the early 1900s. And then by the time we get to 1920 and we

00:16:11.520 ratify the eight or the 19th amendment. Now we've go, we move from the suffragette into like feminism

00:16:17.480 proper. And until we get to about 1965, when we have the advent of hormonal birth control,

00:16:23.200 we are interrupted by two world wars. Um, you know, God knows how many different revolutions

00:16:28.900 and everything else, but it's no coincidence that the either Marxism was sort of a tandem to that,

00:16:35.800 or it was something that was, um, that, that picked up on the movement and sort of found like

00:16:41.320 common ground together. You know, it's interesting. You said there's no waves. Cause I'm just thinking

00:16:44.800 now feminism is one beast that only kind of changes shape as technology changes.

00:16:49.020 Well, we have to stop radio. We have to stop thinking of it in waves because I think a lot

00:16:52.300 of people say, well, first wave feminism was great. No, they were considered terrorists back

00:16:56.220 then. Yeah. This is, I hate agreeing, uh, just with everyone. It's okay.

00:17:00.900 We agree on about 85% of shit.

00:17:03.240 Up top.

00:17:04.520 Like actually it's really, really important chapter two of, of case for patriarchy. I trace it out from

00:17:10.800 1848, um, which is memorialized in a document called declaration of grievances by, uh, Elizabeth

00:17:17.420 Katie Stoughton, who was this literal witch who was running things at 1848. And they itemized the

00:17:25.440 big goals of feminism then. And it's, it's really staggering to people when they see, I go line item

00:17:32.440 first wave feminism, Mallory and Kate Millett, second wave feminism from a 1970s New York boardroom

00:17:39.240 where they're making a chant of what does second wave feminism stand for. It is self same. Like

00:17:43.960 Rola just said, sex egalitarianism, convince people from the top that men and women aren't,

00:17:49.140 aren't different. We're, we're totally different. We're totally polarized. Contraception, women in

00:17:54.180 the workplace, uh, women out of the home and be equally promiscuous to match this, this Lilith view

00:18:01.360 of, of men that, that the feminists have that all comes right out of the 1848 document. Also get women

00:18:07.240 in clergy, which is like fourth wave feminism. So this can't be overstated possibly.

00:18:12.140 One thing that, uh, we've, we've talked about, about is, uh, the lack of civic responsibility

00:18:17.340 that women, uh, retained despite getting the right to vote. And so my view is pretty much,

00:18:24.040 uh, you want to be equal, then you have equal responsibilities along with those equal rights.

00:18:28.460 And those responsibilities are literally everything. How is it that today men are required to sign

00:18:32.980 up for the draft, but women are not, but women expect full civic privilege.

00:18:36.800 Oh, it goes worse than just that.

00:18:38.400 Selective services.

00:18:39.700 That's what I mean.

00:18:40.200 Well, I mean, you're not even, okay. If you want to be a naturalized citizen in the United

00:18:43.560 States and you're eight, you're male and you're 18, you have to sign up for selective services.

00:18:48.140 In fact, you cannot be a city. Literally, you cannot be a citizen in the United States. If you

00:18:52.740 want to be a naturalized citizen in the United States, if you do not sign up for selective

00:18:57.240 services, if you do this, there's also the, I mean, you can incur up to like a quarter million

00:19:01.920 dollars in, in, you can go to jail. You cannot, in some States, you can't hold a driver's license.

00:19:07.960 You're never going to get a government job. You can't run for office, uh, unless you sign

00:19:11.840 up for selective services. And it's all based on whether you have a penis or you have a vagina.

00:19:16.400 So I actually think one of the quickest ways to resolve a lot of these issues quite literally

00:19:20.320 is for all men to mandate or, or I shouldn't say mandate, but to demand equal civic responsibility

00:19:26.940 with equal civil rights. Anybody who wants civic privileges has to be held responsible to the

00:19:32.680 same degree. If men and women are the same, women should not have that privilege of avoiding the

00:19:35.940 draft. Of course, the, the, and, but real quick, the reality is I get these conservatives then going,

00:19:40.820 Jim wants to draft women. No, it's because outright liberals would reject the premise.

00:19:46.980 They would, I guarantee you, if you go to women and say, vote right now, you have the right to vote

00:19:52.340 and you get drafted or you can't vote and you can't be drafted. 60, 70% say, don't do not draft

00:19:57.820 me. I would rather not vote. I don't care about voting anyway. So ask that question and see what

00:20:02.860 the result you get is. But I actually think fine. If in any capacity, anybody wants to participate in

00:20:08.680 our society, they have to have the same responsibilities as everybody else.

00:20:11.660 But the problem with this is, as you know, you're just trying to demonstrate the inequality

00:20:16.480 equality. It's, it's Hegelian dialectic, false equality. And, and that's basically the,

00:20:23.260 the kind of centric society that Rolo's talking about is that everything in society is geared toward

00:20:28.220 lending the appearance of equality with men when it comes to benefits, but not burdens. And this,

00:20:35.600 you could take it to war. I take it to female sports. Um, we just, no, no, no, no. Think about,

00:20:41.700 think about, uh, Steph Curry versus whatever the no name girl is. Okay. So I'm a big,

00:20:48.040 big basketball guy. I'm not, I know her name. Yeah. Well, no, no, no. But this is the other

00:20:52.220 one. That's the college one. There's a pro one that they put, they paired alongside Steph Curry

00:20:57.300 in the NBA as if they were shooting the same ball. She wasn't shooting a basketball. She wasn't

00:21:02.140 shooting a regulation size ball. So it's all bread and circuses. And, and she, she did really well.

00:21:08.260 And it's like, but you're, you're throwing a softball. This guy's throwing a baseball. It's

00:21:11.900 a different sport. Sports are fundamentally masculine and yet conservative cuckservatives

00:21:18.040 today will jump all over. If you're like, okay, sports are fundamentally masculine. They're,

00:21:22.780 they're training for military. Uh, I hope we all agree on that. Um, maybe not, but conservatives

00:21:29.060 will jump all over your case. If you're like, okay, so it's gender dysphoria for a man to want

00:21:34.020 to play a man's sport. Once you've stuck a woman in there, I agree. That's gender dysphoria,

00:21:38.480 but I think we're disagreeing as to where it becomes dysphoric. Typical conservatives today

00:21:43.480 will say, well, women should have their own league. Why? If it's, if it's egalitarian,

00:21:49.120 why should they have their own league? If, if we really believe that women are basically just

00:21:54.060 low functioning men, which is not what I believe. I believe women are beautiful, uh, havers of,

00:21:59.000 of, of babies and they, they create what's, um, good and beautiful in the world. What's craftily

00:22:05.320 in the world, what men want to fight for. Women are great cheerleaders. Men are the ones going out

00:22:10.640 playing the sports. So why are we sticking them fakely next to Steph Curry as if they could compete

00:22:16.420 when everyone knows they can't, they can't. It's laughable too, because, uh, we're, we're launching

00:22:20.400 this big skate thing. We've, uh, April 6th is our big opening for the boonies and we're getting,

00:22:25.440 uh, flack because I have a ton of video segments I've done where I said female skateboarders are

00:22:31.260 that if there is any sport where you can see the distinction plain as day, it is skateboarding.

00:22:38.480 Uh, when I watch tennis, I know nothing about tennis. I see two and play tennis. I see the ball

00:22:43.100 go back and forth and I'm like, okay, I watched two men play tennis. I see the ball go back and

00:22:46.660 forth. I say, okay, I don't really understand the difference in the court size or the rackets or

00:22:51.960 the speed or any of that stuff, but you watch skateboarding and you watch a dude

00:22:55.180 do a double backflip over a 100 foot gap and then fly up 47 feet in the air, slam and hit

00:23:00.800 the ground and then walk away from it. And then you watch women do that and they just jump

00:23:05.380 and they do no trick at all. You're like, okay, wait, well, the women are literally doing

00:23:09.100 nothing. The men are doing these crazy aerial acrobatics. You can, to the layman, you can

00:23:14.340 literally watch female skateboarding. And I mean, no disrespect to the feet. I have friends

00:23:18.760 who are female skateboarders, many of them. You can plainly see the gap between males and

00:23:24.820 females in skateboarding is it's, it's, it's 100 X. It is, it is insane. We watched, we, we pulled

00:23:32.660 up, I think it was on the culture war. We pulled up an X game, street skateboarding women's. And

00:23:37.660 yeah, it was on the show. We were talking with some skateboarders and we were bringing up the

00:23:40.360 difference between male and females and skateboarding. And the best female skaters in

00:23:44.380 the world are as good as 12 year old boys who've been skating for four months. And then you watch the

00:23:50.880 best men in the world. And I'm, I can do a play by play and be like, never in my life,

00:23:56.540 no matter how hard I try, when I get to that level, these are the cream of the crop, the

00:24:00.560 best of the best guys that are doing things we couldn't even imagine were possible. You

00:24:04.580 watch the women and you're like, I'm 38, semi-retired. And I could, I could do all those

00:24:09.260 tricks. I'm an old man.

00:24:10.720 This is universal to all the sports though. I don't love tennis. Do you know the story

00:24:14.900 of Karsten Brasch? No, no, the German, he was ranked 101. Oh, when he, when he beat

00:24:19.760 the sisters, the Williams sisters, they were like, look, we think we want to calibrate

00:24:23.920 because women aren't, aren't as good at men as sports, but we think that we could beat

00:24:28.220 the hundred rank men's tennis. This is Karsten Brasch. So they, they start talking shit to

00:24:34.200 him. Hey, let's play. He drinks a beer, smokes a cig. He goes over, I forget who he plays

00:24:40.380 first. Serena, I think. I don't know the difference. And he beats her, whatever it

00:24:46.340 is, four to one, handily, five to one, whatever it is. Then the other sister comes up and he

00:24:51.500 beats her for love. And he, I mean, he's, I think he's drank another beer in between.

00:24:56.880 And afterwards they asked her. He was drunk. Yeah. He was probably drunk and I'm, and she

00:25:02.500 still shouldn't have gotten that score on him. That's my problem with it. But he, she was

00:25:06.480 like, I've never seen a ball coming at me that fast. This is not the same sport. So what

00:25:12.200 we have to start telling young ladies is go back to cheerleading. Be there on the side

00:25:18.220 and don't do something that you're bound to be less good at. It's setting up to fail.

00:25:22.380 You see this. I think it was the Fallon Fox incident in MMA 12 years ago, whatever. The

00:25:29.140 female fighters did not know they were going up against a male. One woman had her skull cracked

00:25:33.540 and she said, I've never felt something, a strike so powerful before. I think what happens

00:25:38.480 is we've socialized people from a very young age. And I, and I, you know what? I blame

00:25:42.600 comic books and cartoons. I, I, we've talked about this, uh, watching X-Men or other cartoons

00:25:48.940 when you're a kid, there is no distinction between males and females. They are both superpowers.

00:25:53.200 They're both equally as powerful. Right. So then I think you get young women who grow up

00:25:57.540 on this stuff and they're maybe when they're young teenagers, the distinctions are different,

00:26:02.600 but after 14, 15, you look at male grip strength. The average male is stronger than the strongest

00:26:10.880 female in terms of grip strength, which is, it's like a wild thing to consider. Then you

00:26:14.780 end up, I think with many women who begin entering sports, genuinely believing that there is no

00:26:21.000 distinction. Not all women. I think a lot of women clearly understand that men and women

00:26:23.540 are very different, but a lot of women are probably thinking until they get punched in the

00:26:26.860 face until, until like Mike Tyson says, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

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00:28:09.060 No.

00:28:09.460 But the leftist worldview, the blank slate theory says it's fine.

00:28:13.420 That's where I was going next is the entire, this entire conversation, I've had this a million

00:28:17.900 times, is it's founded on two things. One is the blank slate. The other thing is a social

00:28:22.820 constructionism. We think that if we pair up the blank slate, like everybody's equal, everybody has

00:28:28.820 an equal chance. We're all, we're all basically the same except for the plumbing. And other than

00:28:33.400 that, we're all, you know, everybody can do what everybody else can. Then you have the social

00:28:36.940 construction narrative that goes along with that. Everything that you're about is because society

00:28:41.660 embedded it in you. Both of those are patently false. And we've gone from, let's say like right

00:28:47.780 around 2000, once we have the internet, the rise of the internet, we have more and more access to

00:28:52.840 information these days. We can see empirically that men and women are different. We can see

00:28:58.320 empirically that men and men are different and women and women are different. So when we're

00:29:02.140 talking about female skateboarders, I think within that context of that particular sport, there are

00:29:06.820 some women who are going to excel in that sport within the context of it being a female division

00:29:11.760 sport. But then there's also men who are going to be playing at a different level in the context of

00:29:17.360 a male sport. But the fundamental difference here is we have been acculturated and socialized for so

00:29:23.880 long to believe that the blank slate is something that we all should aspire to. We can make a better

00:29:29.000 society as a result of it or egalitarianism, as you were saying. That's really where egalitarian comes

00:29:33.940 from. It comes from this communitarian way of thinking about things rather than a hierarchical way

00:29:37.940 of thinking things. For men, men tend to organize societies in hierarchies. Women tend to organize it

00:29:43.960 in the round. It tends to be more communitarian because it takes a village to raise a child. They're

00:29:48.400 more interested in sort of the collective, whereas men are always trying to get one step up above each

00:29:53.180 other. So that's how we rank our soldiers in the hierarchy of, like, say, you're the colonel and

00:30:00.100 the chain of command, right? Same thing applies to our businesses. You're the CEO, you're the COO,

00:30:05.460 you're the CFO, you're whatever, down to the janitor, right? So we tend to organize things in

00:30:10.420 hierarchies. Women tend to organize it in the round. Ever since right around, like, say, the

00:30:14.680 post-sexual revolution era, we have been organizing society in the round. We've been organizing it in

00:30:20.660 egalitarian terms, in communitarian terms, at the expense of all of these institutions, let's just

00:30:27.080 say, that were prior organized via hierarchy. So when we're talking about patriarchy, patriarchy is a

00:30:33.640 hierarchy, whereas for matriarchy, ideally anyways, should be in the round. It should be something that's

00:30:39.160 more egalitarian. The problem is, is that's no way to organize society, either one way or the other,

00:30:44.400 where we're grossing out in one or we're grossing out in the other. Right now, that's why I kept

00:30:48.580 saying we live in a gynocentric social order ever since we've had hormonal birth control, because that

00:30:53.880 was the great equalizer from as far back as, say, 1965. So what we're seeing right now is we're, like,

00:30:59.360 whenever you see, what was it, the guy who was the swimmer, who was, like, the number 427th

00:31:05.400 male swimmer becomes the number 1 female swimmer when he declares that he actually identifies as

00:31:11.220 a female. Now he's the number 1. Now he wins, because he's biologically a male who is competing

00:31:17.340 in the context of a female sport. In this case, it's swimming, right? And we go, oh, yes, we love

00:31:24.640 that. Well, that's fine when it's swimming. It's not so fine when now you've got to go and do an MMA

00:31:28.840 fight and somebody's going to get their skull cracked, because we still believe that men and women

00:31:34.000 should be equal, and they should be able to do this until the rubber meets the road.

00:31:38.780 Well, I've got some bad news for you, Arolo. Did you know, we have the story, you can pull it up,

00:31:43.280 Kaitlin Clark makes history surpassing Steph Curry's three-point record? Oh, my gosh. Did you know that

00:31:48.020 she beat his record? And all she had to do was have a three-point line that was two foot three inches

00:31:53.100 shorter than his. And a smaller ball. And a smaller ball going into the same cylinder. Also, that's a good

00:31:59.280 example. Now, here's the other thing that happens. It's fake. When women want to compete in those areas,

00:32:03.220 they have to either change the nature of the game or they have to get a whole lot better.

00:32:07.660 When the WNBA first came out, there was talk about lowering the baskets so that they could,

00:32:15.220 because life under the rim sucked. They wanted, yeah, so that they could dunk, right? Well,

00:32:19.740 they threw that idea out later on because they got more taller women who could actually dunk because

00:32:24.060 they thought that that was what's going to put asses in the seats for the WNBA. No, it's still

00:32:29.000 struggling as a sport today. But the fundamental lesson of that is that we're going to change the

00:32:36.260 nature of the game to suit the talents of the player. Now, that's in sports. Think about how

00:32:43.180 we use that same institution in other things. We're going to lower the requirements for women

00:32:49.320 to be in combat positions in the US military because we want to get more women in there because we still

00:32:54.880 believe in this blank slate bullshit where we think that women can be just as effective as,

00:32:59.760 you know, combat soldiers as men can be. No one thinks that though. Let me tell you.

00:33:03.760 No one thinks that, but I mean, you will understand what I'm saying. Like the dynamic is

00:33:07.180 change the nature, fundamentally change the nature of the game so girls can dunk.

00:33:11.120 Could I say half a line? I don't think you're going to disagree with this.

00:33:15.020 We know the WNBA has taken a bath. It's a parasite on the NBA. It's never made a dollar

00:33:20.420 31 seasons out of 31. So they, they're not actually trying to put asses in the seats.

00:33:26.880 This is top down. This is top down imposed shell game. And you have to ask why to reinforce

00:33:34.240 the narrative. Let me tell you a funny story. So a friend of mine growing up is, was for a period,

00:33:39.460 one of the top female skateboarders. She actually was really good. Comparable to the guys in Chicago.

00:33:44.300 She was like, for whatever reason, way better. Good friend of mine. And I got to go with

00:33:50.340 third to the X games when I was 18 and she was 17. The third place prize, I believe at the time

00:33:55.900 was like $1,300 for women in the X games for men. It was 13,000. At least that's, that's what we were

00:34:01.840 told at the time. I don't know. The numbers could be slightly different. First place for the men's

00:34:04.940 was like 30 grand. First place was for the women's was like three grand. And so there was this

00:34:09.540 organization that, uh, I had actually, I knew the founder of, and I knew several, several of the pro

00:34:15.380 females that were involved in it said, this is discrimination. You have two contests.

00:34:20.720 You have a men's contest and a women's contest. You then give the women 10% of what the men get.

00:34:26.380 That's sex discrimination. If you want to pay the top prizes, ESPN at the time said,

00:34:31.200 women don't sell tickets. And their response was you selling tickets is your problem,

00:34:37.360 not the athlete's problem. If you're saying you want the best men and the best women in the world,

00:34:41.620 you can't pay them separately. It was an interesting argument. ESPN refused and said,

00:34:46.680 we don't care because we don't make money. We'd sooner just get rid of it than have to spend 10x

00:34:51.700 on something that doesn't make money. So what I was told by some of the people involved was

00:34:55.980 they announced a press conference to announce either a lawsuit or some action to be taken against

00:35:02.660 Disney ESPN for sex-based discrimination and paying them in less. However, the problem was the

00:35:08.760 female athletes did not want to boycott. They were happy to be getting whatever sponsorships they

00:35:13.020 could. They were happy to get whatever cash they could. And they were concerned that ESPN would

00:35:16.780 cancel the women's sporting, the women's street events because quite literally nobody bought tickets

00:35:21.400 to go see them. So what this organization did, at least this is what they told me, they announced

00:35:27.380 publicly a press conference and they said the top female athletes in the world are going to be

00:35:31.540 giving a press conference, breaking down sex pay discrimination at the X Games.

00:35:35.460 And they sent notice to ESPN saying, you're not going to be happy with what comes next.

00:35:40.520 However, knowing that the women did not actually want to do it, didn't want to boycott,

00:35:44.120 they didn't tell any of the women there was going to be a press conference.

00:35:47.340 And so when the press conference happened, no one showed up. When ESPN then asks,

00:35:52.060 wait, wait, wait, wait, where are they at? Where's the press conference? They went, wow,

00:35:56.660 I guess they're boycotting you. You're in trouble now. Now the press is going to be that they're

00:36:00.220 refusing to even show up. ESPN immediately backed down and said, we will pay parity now.

00:36:04.500 So now you have the X Games subsidizing sporting events that don't sell tickets.

00:36:11.040 So it's extortion.

00:36:12.600 It is. It's extortion. And no one's actually this dumb. It's emperor's new clothes. Everyone

00:36:18.980 knows female sports fail. Everyone knows the girls aren't as good as the guys. Everyone knows

00:36:24.260 sports are fundamentally masculine. So you have to ask, what's the point? And we're all agreeing now,

00:36:32.200 conservatives don't want to push the conversation beyond where it's at and what it really is. If

00:36:37.960 you go check agenda 2030 and their sustainable development goals, female sports has a couple

00:36:44.120 paragraphs, but they're pushing that they want population control. There's no female sports

00:36:49.480 anymore. Where we are at right now is the propaganda, the lies, the manipulation and allowing males to

00:36:56.980 compete in female sports, but you never see the inverse. It's fascinating that the hypocrisy or

00:37:02.600 the paradox doesn't exist in the mind of the left liberal or whatever, that we actually don't get

00:37:07.940 ever controversy around a biological female attempting to compete in male sports. And the

00:37:14.340 reality is for most major league sports, I believe for all of them, except for college, there is no male

00:37:18.900 female distinction in the major leagues. A woman is allowed to try it for the NBA. A woman is allowed to

00:37:22.980 try it for the NFL. They just don't make it. Many women have actually tried to be kickers in the NFL

00:37:26.720 and they've come close, but they never quite made it. There is no restriction for them. In female

00:37:31.240 sports, there is a restriction, but now they've removed that. So we have seen a couple of things.

00:37:37.480 Mac Beggs is a biological female taking male cross-sex hormones, identifying as a male and competing

00:37:43.900 against females. It was actually due to the law requiring women to compete against women and men

00:37:51.200 that resulted in someone taking testosterone, a female, winning all of these fights and having

00:37:56.360 more muscle mass and things like that. And then you end up, of course, with the same scenario where

00:38:00.920 it's biological males competing against females and not in male leagues. It only, only ever affects

00:38:07.220 female sports. In which case we are entering, we are entering the room. We are walking through the

00:38:12.500 door where there will be no more female sports. It will just be identity-based sports. There will be the

00:38:18.340 merit league and then there will be the identity league. Well, with all due respect, I meant it

00:38:22.520 more generically. I mean, female sports, in my view, is a contradiction in terms. What's a far better,

00:38:29.640 more squarely oriented with the conception of human sexuality, the human person, men and women,

00:38:36.380 is cheerleading. And if you look at the numbers of high school cheerleading, it's gone down drastically.

00:38:41.480 I've taught high school two different times separated by about 10 years. And the number of girls that

00:38:47.280 wanted to be cheerleaders, it was still what the cool girl did in the 80s and 90s. And when I taught

00:38:52.720 in the early 2000s, it was what all the cool chicks did. By 2014, when I stepped back into the

00:38:58.380 classroom- Full disclosure, my wife was a cheerleader. No, no. It's well-ordered. Women are, this is a

00:39:03.920 natural conception that's utterly consistent with what women are and what they want to do. They want to

00:39:09.480 cheer on the boys. Now, whether we're talking the gender dysphoria thing, are we talking wave one

00:39:14.520 gender dysphoria or wave three, we should push past that and just talk about what a woman really is.

00:39:20.760 If I know many women who enjoy skateboarding and want to skateboard, and they want to have contests

00:39:24.640 between each other, and they know they can't beat guys, and they respect that, if women-

00:39:28.220 They're being pushed. Everybody should be able to play sports conditioned.

00:39:31.240 I really do not believe that's true. My friends, who I grew up with skating with, female pros,

00:39:38.600 genuinely love skating and just want to skate. But it's not the same as the drive guys have.

00:39:43.900 Right. That's what I'm talking about.

00:39:45.640 But I don't think you can just say women would rather cheerlead.

00:39:48.360 No, no. Look, I have six daughters. Okay. I have one son and six daughters. Me and my son go out

00:39:53.460 hunting. Me and my son go out on the basketball court. I was a basketball player. He's learning

00:39:57.500 to be a basketball player.

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00:41:25.660 We'll play at six. The girls wander out of the house. They're learning to sew. They're learning

00:41:30.940 to cook with my wife. They like playing girl things, make-believe. They wander out and they're

00:41:35.980 like, oh, daddy, can we do layup drills with you and Gaby? Yeah, of course. They're interested in it for

00:41:41.500 four minutes. What you can't, what you cannot discount in a gynocentric society that this guy's

00:41:47.820 described for many, many years, um, quite aptly is the fact that fathers have gotten it into their

00:41:55.660 mind. Like, oh, I guess this is the new normal now. And they're pushing their daughters. So my

00:42:00.380 daughters come out there, they play for four minutes and they raise their daughters like their sons.

00:42:05.740 Yeah, they raise their daughters like their sons. So then they go back in the house and they go do

00:42:09.180 something they really want to do. But I don't, I don't tell them, no, you can't come shoot layups.

00:42:12.300 I do keep Gabe out there and, and he, he wants to stay out there, but there's a fundamentally

00:42:17.100 different female nature. So we all, I thought agreed that it's sex egalitarian.

00:42:22.060 I'm going to, I'm going to parse it.

00:42:23.740 I'm going to, I'm going to go like, I agree with what you're saying, but I'm going to go on the

00:42:27.340 biological side of things here. Like if we look at Megan Rapinoe, for example, who, uh, you know,

00:42:31.420 wants to have equal pay for like, you know, playing soccer and everything. If you look at it from the

00:42:35.100 economics perspective, actually the female soccer team is making more money than the male soccer team.

00:42:40.300 If you buy rate of comparison and you put it like within market versus market, the female,

00:42:45.420 the female soccer team is actually making more money than the male soccer team is because they

00:42:49.580 make more money. And as a portion of that particular, uh, take of the money that they're making right

00:42:54.460 there, as a result, we still have women saying, well, we're not being paid as much as they are.

00:42:59.100 They simply just don't understand the economics of it, but they want that equality. They want,

00:43:03.020 we want, we want gender parity. We want a 77 cents on the dollar, whatever it is,

00:43:06.540 you know, the, the gender pay gap, but it's not, it is not real, but

00:43:10.860 just ask Dr. Phil. Um, but the, um, the, the long and short of it here is that when you have

00:43:16.540 a Megan Rapinoe talking about that, it's building that narrative. And really what it's building is

00:43:21.100 this idea that we're, we're supposed to be a blank slate society, that we're supposed to all be

00:43:25.900 equal. And the problem with the equality is that equality is a false God. Okay. So when we're talking,

00:43:31.020 like, I don't believe in equality period end of story, because when we're talking about equality,

00:43:35.100 it doesn't exist inside of a vacuum, like every, like Megan Rapinoe would like to say, well,

00:43:39.420 it's apples for apples. It's not apples for apples. You are female. They are male. You are

00:43:43.500 in a different market than they are. It's this understand. It's this idea of having sort of this

00:43:47.900 idealized egalitarian equalist society. Whereas what are we, uh, where are we expecting from

00:43:54.460 either sex? So when we're talking, it's easy to make this example about sports. Okay. Because

00:43:59.500 men, men have, you know, we have broader shoulders. We have a more upper body muscle mass, everything

00:44:04.300 else. It's easy to point that out. What about when we're talking about mathematics? What about

00:44:08.060 when we're talking about like chess, chess? What, what about when we're talking about other things

00:44:12.060 that aren't necessarily physical chess is fascinating, but I forget the name of the

00:44:15.980 teacher, the, the, the college guy who was talking about how women do not excel in certain aspects of

00:44:21.740 like, uh, men have a better spatial ability to like, you know, rotate a three-dimensional object.

00:44:25.740 We can throw with more force. We're innately born with that as our firmware to be able to do certain

00:44:31.100 things. We have certain predilections that we're born with because it's just built into our psyches.

00:44:36.380 It's built into our thing, but then we're going to say, well, that's horrible. It can, can you teach

00:44:40.860 a young woman, a young girl to be a pretty good pitcher for, um, for a little league team? Yeah,

00:44:46.780 you can do that, but it's easier to do it with a male because a male already has that innate

00:44:51.580 firmware. That's already part of their starting path. Yeah. And like, I really like this point

00:44:56.300 you just made Rollo. What conservatives that are kind of tepid on this, which is most everyone,

00:45:01.580 they'll be agreeing with us. And then you, you push the point and you're like, well, I could T I

00:45:07.260 could literally drag my six girls out there for as long as I keep my son out there and they could get

00:45:13.500 slightly less inadequate at basketball, but they'd be unhappy. And I would be conditioning them with

00:45:20.620 gender dysphoria and conservatives won't take the point that the capacity to do something, um,

00:45:27.740 as it's rejected by the natural law, which tells us our male nature females, their female nature,

00:45:33.500 because I could go to the closet, my wife's closet and put on her dress. And it's not like a force

00:45:39.820 field. It flies off my body or something like that. I can't get the dress to stay on. Conservatives

00:45:44.220 will say, well, if he has the capacity to put on a dress, I guess it's not wrong. And like,

00:45:50.300 we're all tempted to start going there. Tim, you're tempted to start going. Well, like

00:45:54.460 girls can stand on a skateboard and learn to roll and learn a couple of basic flip tricks.

00:45:59.580 Like I know they can, there's nothing in nature that repels them from doing that.

00:46:03.660 Well, I guess we're saying is that it was pure agreement so far is that they're being conditioned

00:46:10.860 at all levels from the top down and their fathers to, to want to do that. Whereas before that's not

00:46:18.060 in their nature to want to do it. A neighbor the other day, really nice guy came by. He saw me shooting

00:46:22.780 with my boy. He was like, you got six girls. You've got to get them out there. I'm like, no,

00:46:26.540 they don't want to be out here, man. He was like, what about the, the female NBA player?

00:46:31.420 You said, no, I don't know, man. The, I, I know women who skateboard,

00:46:34.940 who chose to skateboard, continue to skateboard, skated their whole lives and enjoy doing it.

00:46:38.460 It's fine. The exception makes bad law.

00:46:40.540 Well, you play sports. Women can play sports. We're talking about professional.

00:46:43.660 You want the best. It's not about gender at that stat.

00:46:46.300 I'm talking about habit and habituating people.

00:46:48.540 If your daughter said, no, I want to play basketball. I don't want to go back inside.

00:46:51.660 Would you let her?

00:46:52.700 I've seen none of the six of them have. I'm just playing the numbers.

00:46:55.340 That's not the question I asked.

00:46:56.860 No, no, no. I, but what I'm telling you is.

00:46:59.100 If your daughter makes bad law. If she said, I want to stay outside and play basketball with you,

00:47:04.780 I would say, yeah, well, that's fine, but I'm also your father. So you can stay out here maybe

00:47:09.020 a little longer than the other girls, but since you're, and this, this wouldn't happen and doesn't

00:47:13.420 happen. But, um, and I, I have a larger than a basketball, female basketball team is all my, uh,

00:47:19.100 crypto feminist neighbors have pointed out to me. Uh, it doesn't happen, but if it did,

00:47:23.180 I'd say, okay, you could stay out a couple extra minutes. Now go in the house and learn to cook.

00:47:27.180 That's what a father does. And that's the difference between conservatives in 2014 and

00:47:32.700 2015 objecting to third wave gender dysphoria, which is that like Bruce Jenner puts on a dress

00:47:39.580 and says, ontologically speaking, I can be a female, but back to the first wave gender dysphoria is

00:47:45.020 functional, but let's stay on point. My point is this is, this is at the heart of the point I'm

00:47:48.940 making is I know many females who skateboard. And if their dad said, you can't skateboard anymore,

00:47:55.500 they would hide a skateboard at their friend's house, run away and go skate. Well, I'm not sure

00:48:00.620 what they would do. Uh, no, no for a fact, like I, you know what they would do hypothetically.

00:48:04.780 I'm not trying to debate you with people. There were very few female skateboarders, one or two,

00:48:09.100 and they wanted to skate and they would go skate and they would go skate by themselves.

00:48:13.020 Well, that's, but that's partly hypothetical. What's not hypothetical. Are you aware experience?

00:48:17.980 Okay. No, you said what they would do if my friends growing up and I'm at the X games and

00:48:23.780 there's dozens of, of young women who skate chose to be there, wanted to be there, asked for the

00:48:29.080 equipment, said they want to be there. And I think it, I do not agree with the idea that the father

00:48:32.840 should be like, no, here's here. Well, as a father of six girls, um, it's absolutely your

00:48:38.520 job to correct and say, look, this is ultimately not going to make you happy. If any of my kids

00:48:44.200 are running into the street, I correct them all the time, Tim. And I say, no, this is not ultimately

00:48:49.600 good for you. If my kids want to eat strychnine, they never have. I'd say, no, this is not good for

00:48:55.500 you. I don't think women playing sports is eating. Oh, I didn't say the same thing, but this is just a

00:48:59.660 hypothetical. You gave the hypothetical of them running away. And all I'm saying is it's not good

00:49:05.120 for them. That's gender dysphoria to do the same things as men. And what, what, what I'm challenging

00:49:12.220 conservatives to do is to have a look at the real difference between men and women. Cause we all,

00:49:17.200 we all agreed on it. All four of us, there's a real difference and say, why are we so uncomfortable

00:49:22.960 with the differences, the functional differences between men and women? I'm not talking about putting

00:49:27.620 on a dress when you're a guy, but like what you should familiarize yourself with is a hardcore

00:49:32.940 feminist sociologist, Wolfer and Stevenson, uh, did a study in the seventies after women went,

00:49:39.180 were driven into the workforce by, by shame. Um, it's called the paradox of declining female

00:49:44.980 happiness. Time life has covered it every five years. They notice as women went, entered in droves,

00:49:51.320 the workforce really act like men in 1970, female happiness, particularly white suburban female

00:49:57.360 happiness went down every year. And they call it a paradox. I would just say, this is a phenomenon.

00:50:03.300 There is a female nature, Tim, there is a male nature. And this is, this is why it's bliss. But

00:50:10.540 this is why I'm saying as a, as a dad of six girls, I don't have that luxury. Like I want them to be the

00:50:16.840 most happy, meaning a moral eudaimonean Aristotelian happiness. I want them to be the most happy possible.

00:50:22.660 So if they run in the street, that's obvious danger. If they want to start doing boy things,

00:50:28.200 five, six, seven, eight hours a day, that will make them feel like inadequate boys. You said all

00:50:33.480 the girls you knew aren't good skaters. The, the, the, the, they're good for females, the women's in

00:50:38.700 the car. Exactly. They're good for females, but they're always going to be comparing themselves to

00:50:42.820 the standard in a male sport. Do you know, do you know what a ripstick is? Yes. Ripstick. Yeah.

00:50:47.660 Yeah. It was, it was real popular back in like the, the early 2000s. Shout out to Sean Hover. He

00:50:52.680 can do trey flips. What's a ripstick? A ripstick is like, it's like a skateboard that has two wheels,

00:50:57.080 right? It's got, they go like this. Oh, cool. It's like, there's a cylinder in the middle of

00:51:01.620 the joint. And then there's two platforms that work interdependent, uh, independently of each

00:51:04.860 other with single wheels that go in every direction. Cool. And you move by snaking your feet

00:51:09.540 and it's got a tail. You can pop it. And Sean Hover, he's my, my daughter can do a, can do a

00:51:14.780 ripstick. And she, I, and I was, so I was going to say, I would just answer your question. Yes.

00:51:19.560 Cause I have a daughter, my daughter's 25, but, um, she's not doing ripsticks anymore.

00:51:24.180 Lindsay Adams Hawkins married Travis Pastrana. She's one of the top female pros in the world.

00:51:28.720 One of the, she's, she's the first female to land a McTwist. Travis Pastrana is based, uh,

00:51:33.840 sponsored by black rifle, I believe. And they're married and they have lots of kids.

00:51:37.300 I don't see why Lindsay should have been told not to be a skateboarder.

00:51:41.900 True. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's playing for fun is one thing and getting good at something is it can

00:51:46.240 be great for your confidence, but playing professionally, you just want the best humans.

00:51:50.240 And I, but anyway, you brought up cheerleading and I think it is super important role.

00:51:54.420 This is something I've learned that say in like football, the crowd is the 13th man on the field,

00:51:58.880 because if you've ever done cheerleading, or if you've ever been in the crowd in the enemy,

00:52:02.800 the enemy team, the opposing team can hear your voice for war when they hit the ball and you

00:52:07.080 scream and the people that are on the defensive shock and stand, get shocked and like miss the

00:52:12.960 ball because they're terrified by your scream. You win as a cheerleader. Like the woman empowering

00:52:17.580 the men is a big part of the success of the team, but I will also, or not the women, but people

00:52:22.040 empowering the crowd, empowering the team with their voices and their movement is like massively

00:52:27.540 important. It's similar with a woman in a family. You know, that's what she's doing for the man in a

00:52:31.480 lot of ways. Why does it not have to be like, do we all agree there's a female nature and a male

00:52:35.500 nature? Absolutely. Can we go around the day? I know you, I know you and I agree there, but

00:52:38.960 I think, I think, I think it's really masculine. I think we have to be a little bit more nuanced

00:52:44.160 and say there's a male, female, male, female bimodal, uh, nature or tendencies. Women fall

00:52:50.580 into one camp, men fall into one camp. So not a nature? No, no, I think, I think I agree with

00:52:54.880 you, but I'm saying I want to be a little bit more nuanced in how I describe it. I know there's

00:52:57.660 exceptions to rules. It's a bell curve. It's bimodal. There's an overlap, but there's a

00:53:01.600 predominant 90. What I always tell people though is exception makes bad law. And there's a reason

00:53:06.360 the law of averages always wins. The reason that those two feminists, um, Wolfer and Stevenson's,

00:53:13.260 their research was so important was because they wanted the data to show something that they were

00:53:19.740 honest enough to publish. Otherwise they, they gain said their own conclusion, which was, we thought

00:53:25.160 that women would be happier when they started doing some, doing a function. I'm not talking about

00:53:30.020 gender dysphoria actually claiming to be men, but functionally, uh, acting like men and functional

00:53:36.600 gender dysphoria, just feminism is far. It's actually far more pervasive than Bruce Jenner

00:53:42.320 putting on a dress. It affects 99% of women out there and it's far more insidious. And they're

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00:55:28.320 Can liberals do this, Tim? They're going to be like, this guy said he will never let his daughter

00:55:32.680 out. No, that's cool. And if one of the six daughters wants to stay out an extra five or 10

00:55:36.960 minutes, fine. But they don't want to stay out much longer than that. The way the guys by their

00:55:41.920 nature want to stay out one, two, three, four hours. And yeah, there's exception makes bad law.

00:55:47.580 So there might be one girl out of a million that wants to stay out all day long and skate and shoot.

00:55:54.060 But that's bad law for us to legislate in society. Girls naturally-

00:55:58.280 I'm not talking about legislating.

00:55:59.120 I got a question for you. I know you don't have a daughter, but like if you had a daughter,

00:56:03.040 would you allow her to compete in beauty pageants?

00:56:06.280 probably not. Why? If we're talking about like child beauty pageants where-

00:56:12.860 I mean, you know, from like say, I don't know, 12, 13, somewhere around there.

00:56:17.340 If it was like a, like a wholesome actual-

00:56:21.020 She really wanted to do that. She's like, I really want to be in this, daddy.

00:56:24.180 The answer is only if it's like proper formal dress is the, like when they're dressing up-

00:56:30.480 She's not in a swimsuit.

00:56:31.660 But the child pageants, I say, absolutely no. Absolutely no.

00:56:34.380 If it is more of like the combination of talent where they have like, what's your talent?

00:56:39.480 What's your, then you have to speak. Then you have to wear a formal dress and display. Absolutely.

00:56:44.680 Have a platform, have a-

00:56:46.820 Yeah, like I don't like the weird sexualized child beauty pageants.

00:56:50.680 So I'd say no to the generic, but if it's how we typically view, wear a formal dress,

00:56:57.700 there's like, there's like the dress portion, then there's the talent portion,

00:57:00.800 then there's the speech portion. That's fine.

00:57:02.580 So the reason I'm asking that is because that is a more stereotypical female proclivity,

00:57:07.500 let's just say, to be a more of a girly girl, as opposed to being the tomboy, I want to skate,

00:57:11.720 right? My daughter can do a ripstick. She's not competing in ripstick competitions anymore,

00:57:16.420 but she has, my daughter has been in pageants before, right? Because she really wanted to be

00:57:21.120 in that. She really wanted to do good. And she really wanted to apply herself to that.

00:57:24.480 I think one of the problems that we have, particularly in the 21st century anyways,

00:57:29.960 is because we believe in this sort of gender equalism, I think, is that we tend to say,

00:57:35.240 okay, well, how horrible it is that you won't encourage your daughter to do skateboarding,

00:57:41.060 but you will, you're okay with her doing beauty pageants or the opposite way around.

00:57:45.300 Because when he was talking about like, there are, and I believe you were too,

00:57:48.820 talking about the differences in male nature versus female nature, there are certain proclivities

00:57:53.720 that both boys and girls tend to gravitate towards. But if we say, well, we don't want her

00:57:58.840 to go into a beauty pageant, but we do want to encourage her to be a skater. Why isn't it the

00:58:04.720 other way around? The funny thing is you guys know that you have kids. I talked to every person who

00:58:12.580 has a son and a daughter and they instantly tell you boys and girls are different. No question.

00:58:16.720 There's no debate. I was hanging out with some family friends and they were like,

00:58:20.900 we did nothing. And the boy started smashing things with a little hammer. He just did. And the

00:58:26.800 girl picked up the, he, when he started hitting the stuffed animal, the little girl picked it up

00:58:30.580 and ran away with it to protect it. And they were like, we didn't teach them to do that.

00:58:34.120 Or they start making guns with their fingers or they like make sticks to lap on each other.

00:58:37.920 Yeah. In that vein, all I was saying is, and I'm not defensive on the point, I'd love to have

00:58:44.160 rational debate about it, but it's better for a woman to get good at woman things and for men to

00:58:51.400 get better at men things. And they stopped teaching home ec in school.

00:58:55.660 And shop. I mean, yeah.

00:58:57.720 Woman thing, man thing. Women don't know how to sew. Like grownup, uh, Gen X and millennial

00:59:03.500 mothers don't know how to sew to teach their daughters to sew.

00:59:05.960 Men don't know what, what Phillips screwdrivers are. I, I shouldn't, I, I was like.

00:59:10.160 A bit hyperbolic, but yeah, can't drive sticks. Hey, no, that, that works for me when crime goes

00:59:14.940 up. You hear all these stories where someone tries to jack a car and they're like, I can't

00:59:18.400 drive stick. And it's like, you're out of luck, buddy. You can't drive. That's a good way.

00:59:21.760 But let's, let's shift a little bit. We talked a lot about like gender dynamics and sports

00:59:25.500 and work and stuff. I'm curious now on where young men are. They're not getting married.

00:59:30.260 They're not having kids, but we're also, it's not just incels. The media is super biased.

00:59:35.040 I'll tell you one thing I really, really love. Media is written by spinsters. So feminist

00:59:42.380 media, uh, and I don't mean, I mean that somewhat half jokingly spinsters. A lot of women get

00:59:46.960 mad about that. Uh, women who get married and have kids are not for the most part working

00:59:52.920 at the New York times, writing articles about the joys of childlessness. So the prominent

00:59:57.740 voices in feminist, in the prominent voices from females in media tend to be childless, unmarried

01:00:03.540 women. Because simply put, go back to what I said, married women are raising kids and

01:00:09.720 focusing on family. The married guys are focusing on making money for their, for their families

01:00:14.000 and things like that. So I guess the first question is, is it everything we just talked

01:00:20.280 about that's resulting in men not getting married? How do we solve this problem? Let's,

01:00:24.840 what do you think?

01:00:25.420 Incentives? I think that's the first thing, first place you go. Um, when you're looking

01:00:28.460 at, uh, if you're looking at women going into only fans, I've talked about this with Andrew

01:00:33.420 Wilson before where it's, uh, we're saying, well, you know, how do you write the course

01:00:36.720 of the ship? Right. What do we do with that? Now that we have all this information, what

01:00:39.840 are we going to do? Promote only fans? Um, well, the thing is, is that we need to find

01:00:43.840 ways to disincentivize only fans. We need to distance. We need to re-incentivize what like

01:00:49.420 men getting back into doing things that are like more productive for themselves or following

01:00:53.260 something that they can play to their strengths. Well, and the place that that begins

01:00:56.680 is by removing those sedations from those guys. And nobody's going to do that. Everybody

01:01:00.980 has no will to do that. I would, I would say outright only fans is a bad thing. I find

01:01:05.280 it to be disgusting. I despise it when it comes to porn. I mean, there are certainly people

01:01:09.120 who use only fans for legitimate reasons, but that's, that's not the tendency for what

01:01:12.340 only fans is. Uh, however, we're, we're experiencing an interesting sort of ideological bifurcation.

01:01:20.480 Only fans is driving women to quit the workforce to become hookers. So there's numerous

01:01:25.760 stories of women who like, I was a nurse. I didn't want to do that. Now I'm a hooker there.

01:01:29.760 There are stories like I was a police officer. And then I realized there's more money in being

01:01:32.780 a hooker online. And, uh, I say hooker because you're selling sex and just because you put

01:01:37.860 it on the phone, as opposed to a brothel, doesn't change anything. As far as I'm concerned,

01:01:41.060 you're doing a peep show, you're doing a peep show. That's a hooker. So, uh,

01:01:44.740 but the incentive is what keeps them going. Mike, Mike Sartain and I, we were on access

01:01:48.500 Vegas and we're interviewing this one. Uh, wasn't it? Ava James. Ava James used to be a teacher,

01:01:53.380 a special education teacher. Like she taught autistic children. You know, I think it was

01:01:57.740 in Canada, but you think about this, you go through, I don't know how many years of college

01:02:02.240 to get to the point where you can actually do something like that. And then you've got to have

01:02:05.860 special education certification as that as on top of that, how many student loans are you taking out

01:02:11.600 so that you can be a special edge, special needs teacher on top of everything else you're paid,

01:02:16.040 maybe 40,000, $50,000 as a starting salary. If you're lucky. Okay. Depending on what school system

01:02:22.260 and where you, where you get into. And you've just spent the last maybe six to eight years of

01:02:26.480 your life to become that particular, that teacher. And then you go, you know what? Fuck it. I think

01:02:31.600 I'm going to be an only fans person because, and now she's like a 0.01% top earner on only fans

01:02:36.920 making millions of dollars and going, why did I spend the last six to eight years doing what I'm

01:02:41.540 doing? Now I'm not saying that all women are, can do that, but the possibility of the perception

01:02:47.060 that it's a possibility for women to earn more money than they do as a nurse or as they do as a,

01:02:53.180 you know, a surgeon or an attorney or something like that. It's a much better, more lucrative

01:02:57.520 prospect. So this will, this destroys marriage, destroys family, but the inverse, it takes women

01:03:03.200 out of the workplace. Yes. Interesting. And, and jobs that are essential to a functioning society.

01:03:09.180 But do you think that those jobs could be anyways, that you believe that there are jobs,

01:03:13.120 women should be the ones doing like nursing and teaching should be teachers. I don't like to use

01:03:17.500 the term should, I think there are, there are jobs that women naturally gravitate to because they

01:03:21.860 have a natural proclivity because of female nature. If you look at the, if you look at what women like

01:03:26.160 major in its communication, its psychology, its sociology, they're all HR. My point is, is it a

01:03:31.580 bad thing that we will no longer have female nurses and teachers? Maybe because the word nurse

01:03:36.020 literally means the baby sucking on the mother's boob is the baby's nursing. The word is the job is

01:03:42.200 nurses. Nurses don't do that. I think the word probably comes from the history of females

01:03:46.620 taking care of sick people. No, it's a bad thing for babies to not be suckling at their own

01:03:52.860 mother's teat. No, no, no. Hold on a second. It's not a good. Historically, if the mother was unable

01:03:59.340 to produce enough, a wet nurse, another woman in the town or village who was producing would nurse

01:04:04.100 their baby for you. I'm talking about daycare. We've all seen the statistics for daycare.

01:04:08.660 Yeah. Ladies go, the term nurse is a profession. No, it'd be great to get women out of nursing

01:04:15.220 other people's kids back home to nursing their kids. You've all seen this. So let's go back to

01:04:19.420 the question I have is with OnlyFans, I certainly see it's destroying family. It's sedating men,

01:04:26.080 as you described it. It's creating these addictions, video games, and it's not just video games,

01:04:30.680 there's drugs, alcohol too, but video games certainly haven't had this effect. Do we want

01:04:35.220 some job society to be done by women? Or should it just be the workforce is male and the women are

01:04:41.000 at home with the kids and helping raise the family? See, they're not at home. The latter for me.

01:04:44.340 Okay. Well, if we're going to say shoulds, then the latter. But what I'm saying is that we're in a

01:04:48.040 position right now where that's kind of a moot point. If you want to write the course of the

01:04:51.860 ship, we have to work with what we have right now. I've talked to Zuby about this, where he was

01:04:56.300 saying, I don't understand why OnlyFans is so popular. It's just basically pornography. You can go

01:05:01.540 stroke off to porn for free if you wanted to. And I told him, I said, it's not because of that.

01:05:05.780 It's because of the connection that those men believe that they can have with that person

01:05:11.020 that's on the other. They're not paying for the sex. There has to be a sexual element to it.

01:05:14.540 Don't get me wrong, but the top earners are not jet screaming hootie queens with blue eyes and big

01:05:19.480 tits and look like the stereotypical Playboy model. They look like the girl that's attainable.

01:05:23.760 They look like the seven, seven and a half, not the 10. And so they want to have that,

01:05:29.540 the girlfriend experience, but they're looking for that connection. And you, so you asked me,

01:05:34.200 like you said, well, what about the incels? What about the hikakomoris and everything else?

01:05:37.880 They're not, they can, they can jerk off all they want to, but they want to have that,

01:05:42.340 but that connection that they're not getting because those women are in, are doing OnlyFans.

01:05:47.160 And so a lot of OnlyFans that we know about is that connection. You're correct. The women will say,

01:05:51.740 hey, if you give me X, I will give you Y. And a lot of what's being bought is personalized content.

01:05:57.860 Yeah. So you are getting the connection.

01:05:59.840 Engagement. Can I, can I answer your question?

01:06:01.040 Real quick. There was a really interesting and disturbing thing with ASMR where you can probably

01:06:06.780 look this up. ASMR girlfriend sleeping next to you. And so young women record themselves pretending to

01:06:15.460 sleep and making noises that women don't actually make. Like anybody who's actually slept next to

01:06:20.440 literally any other person, you either hear light snoring, heavy snoring or nothing at all,

01:06:24.980 maybe an occasional fart or something, but the noises that you hear in this girlfriend ASMR are like

01:06:30.180 light moans. And what would scare the shit out of me, but they're, but what they're, the reason why

01:06:35.860 they get so much traffic on this. And the reason why a lot of what they can sell to young men is this

01:06:39.660 is because it simulates personal connection and relationship. And that's terrifying.

01:06:43.700 Parasocial. I think they call it now. It's a new term floating.

01:06:46.380 Yeah. If it is, if it's okay, I'd, I'd love to give the original sort of track shifting question,

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01:08:20.780 on care. Did I mention that we care their own components? I would say men aren't getting married

01:08:28.740 because of the stuff we've talked about before. Moon Beasley complex. It's being depicted at all

01:08:35.600 levels of society in a predictive way. That's, that's getting that that's tracking with mimetic

01:08:41.260 desire with the herd from, from the top of the media on down through agenda 2030 and things like

01:08:48.420 that. It's water falling down as they say through media, through Hollywood. And it's influencing the

01:08:55.400 minds of common good people in Mississippi where I moved when I left LA so that they're saying,

01:09:00.460 they're saying gender dysphoric things. And eventually people just think about marriage.

01:09:05.340 I taught high school for eight years, college for two years. Young men would see my wife,

01:09:11.100 beautiful, lovely, laughing wife, just come eat lunch with me. And they'd be like, how do you get that?

01:09:19.600 That looks like the nicest woman in the world. I'm like, because we're not fighting against our

01:09:24.760 nature. We love each other. We were best friends. I knew my wife right before she graduated high

01:09:29.980 school. And it's the opposite of the Moon Beasley complex. If you allow women to be women and men to

01:09:35.300 be men, you're going to be happy and love each other until the day you die. It's, it's a natural

01:09:40.960 thing. Women and men are naturally drawn to each other until it's programmed out. So the first thing is

01:09:47.100 Moon Beasley complex is wrong. Like women do want to be goodly, obedient wives and men want to be

01:09:55.420 goodly loving husbands. I'm talking to, I have a Christian audience, right? I'm a Roman Catholic.

01:10:02.140 I don't think it can be programmed out.

01:10:04.600 It can't be programmed out.

01:10:05.640 Yeah.

01:10:05.860 No, it can't.

01:10:06.440 You can try and you can, you can, it's like you can take a jigsaw puzzle piece,

01:10:10.120 put it in the wrong spot and bash it until it fits because you destroyed it. But anyway,

01:10:13.800 sorry, you're so right. It's, and that's what we're seeing is the resurgence of this truth,

01:10:19.660 the fundamental attack on the family. It was stamped out nearly and, you know,

01:10:26.400 feminism reached its heyday, I think in 1975, where most women identified as feminists.

01:10:31.540 The problem's far worse now, even though few women, fewer women identify as feminists. It's because

01:10:38.280 the insect has invaded the host organism. So it's worse now, but, but slowly people are coming back

01:10:45.200 and seeing this is beautiful. Complementarity. Women do women things, men do men things and we're

01:10:50.760 attracted to each other.

01:10:52.240 You know, you want to finish that real quick? I don't know if you were done.

01:10:54.800 Well, yeah, there's a second point. Go ahead.

01:10:56.980 What I think happens is we go from a women should be able to, to a women have to. And so we see this

01:11:03.680 with most things actually, interestingly in technology, the cell phone is a luxury. If

01:11:08.060 you have a cell phone, you're easier to reach. So when the cell phone comes out, you got this

01:11:11.220 gigantic weird object and you have like a purse. It was, it was really funny. Like the first phones,

01:11:15.080 you had to like put it down onto like this big thing and then pick it up. And now your office can

01:11:20.380 call you from anywhere. Car phones were the, were the easiest way to do it because you could have

01:11:24.260 the electronic could be stored in the car. It was a luxury to have that made you more valuable,

01:11:28.560 but it was not required. These days, if you don't have a cell phone, you ain't getting the job.

01:11:33.020 Yeah. If you go back to feminism, the original idea, or I shouldn't say back to feminism,

01:11:37.460 but in the era of when 1970, late seventies or whatever, women entering the workplace more

01:11:41.760 heavily, the idea was women should be allowed to apply for jobs if they want. What ends up

01:11:46.940 happening is the market gets flooded with more and more labor, but the, the, the job supply isn't

01:11:51.560 increasing. So now the demand for jobs is massive and the supply of jobs is low, dropping wages and

01:11:57.740 creating a snowball rolling down a hill where it comes to the point where you have a guy to go

01:12:02.960 go apply for a job. And they say, look, we need someone who can do this job. It's, you know,

01:12:07.940 let's say a mail room and deliveries. And the guy says, well, look, I'm trying to start a family,

01:12:14.220 right? I'm, I'm, you know, 20 years old and I got, I got to be able to take care of my family.

01:12:18.960 I'm sorry. That amount of money is not going to cut it. And it's like, well, then we'll find someone

01:12:21.780 else. And he says, good luck. Cause every guy you meet is going to say the same thing. So you give me

01:12:25.400 the money that I'm asking for now. And we stopped wasting our time. And they go, you know what? He's

01:12:28.800 right. Then more women start entering the workplace and lower skill jobs are now flooded

01:12:33.100 with, with a massive supply. They then say, well, look, uh, you know, I got a young woman who can

01:12:39.240 handle the mail, so I don't have to hire you. You can leave. And so then the woman gets offered

01:12:43.460 slightly less for whatever reason. It's not so much that it is inherently just because it's women

01:12:47.880 doing it. It is because there's a massive influx of labor into the market without an increase in

01:12:51.900 supply. I was going to say also, if you go back in, I've been working on this, uh, sort of a pet

01:12:56.960 project of mine called 1971. And if you go and you look at the era between say 1965 and 1975,

01:13:01.960 you'll see a lot of the social changes that we kind of take for granted today. All occurred

01:13:07.320 right around the time that hormonal birth control came in. And then you have, uh, the sexual revolution,

01:13:11.960 then you have no fault divorce. Then you had the, we went off the gold standard in 1971.

01:13:15.960 Um, I don't know, they're not, they're not, but they're not, but they are, are, uh,

01:13:23.060 correlated. Let's just say there's, there are. So if you go and you look at the rise in hormonal

01:13:28.440 birth control, use the popularity from 1965 to where we are right now, and you look at the rise

01:13:33.240 in divorces, divorce rates, it is all, it tracks almost identically to let me just interject real

01:13:38.660 quick. They can, the left can make all the arguments in the world for blank slate. They want

01:13:42.860 when you look at a male versus female voting map, it is plain as day. You explained to me how with all

01:13:48.860 of your education and feminism, women vote Democrat, men vote Republican. It's not absolute

01:13:54.160 though. It's bimodal. And then, by the way, that took place, the switch took place in the late

01:13:58.880 eighties and the early nineties. Women used to vote more conservative, uh, right until around like

01:14:03.380 1986, 1988, somewhere around there. And then the trend. Yeah, exactly. So women are getting married

01:14:08.360 less. They need more. Also, I should also point out 1974 was when, uh, the credit companies said,

01:14:14.820 Oh, women can now have credit cards, right? Because they're all getting out of their marriages.

01:14:18.660 And they're all single mothers and they're all, well, that, that was the trend at that time.

01:14:21.980 And then what you were saying before with the productivity though, when you're talking about,

01:14:25.880 I got to pause. Go ahead. Credit card point. When they started, when they, when they wanted

01:14:29.600 credit cards, the bank said, no, when they started getting divorces, they had guaranteed income.

01:14:33.560 Right. Now, now the banks are like, and 1971, they're now on fiat currency. So they're like,

01:14:38.400 yes, ladies, you, you've come a long way, baby. You know, but anyway, go back. So,

01:14:41.960 and also another thing that tracks in 1971 is if you look at, this is more to your point,

01:14:47.020 when you see women coming into the labor force, the, the, the mean wages stay pretty much the

01:14:52.340 same. They're pretty, they go up a little bit. They were growing until this. Yes. But productivity

01:14:57.120 goes through the fucking roof at that point. So you're looking at more productivity at the same

01:15:01.860 amount of money that they're spending. Of course, people are going to be. And, and we are getting

01:15:05.320 now a problem reaction solution type scenario where you get a massive explosion of labor supply.

01:15:11.280 Uh, the point I was making earlier is that with this massive increase in supply without an,

01:15:16.840 I'm sorry, increase in demand, uh, supply of labor and demand for labor is down. Supply of jobs is

01:15:22.880 low, but demand for jobs is high. It makes it so that when, when employers now have as massive

01:15:28.980 competition in front of them, they pay lower wages stagnate, but they have maximum amount of workers.

01:15:34.360 Productivity is on the rise because these jobs are being filled and they don't got to pay as much,

01:15:38.120 but this means now 30, 40, 50 years on, what do you have? It is now a requirement for a dual

01:15:44.240 income. It used to be, Hey, I'm having a family. My wife's at home. You pay me what I'm worth or

01:15:49.780 else. And they go, ah, where's my pension. Now, once you get everyone working that now what happens

01:15:56.160 is the guy goes in for a job and he says, I can't work off 20 bucks an hour. I got a family. And he

01:15:59.420 goes, well, where does your wife work? Is that my wife? Doesn't it? Well, maybe your wife should get a

01:16:02.360 job. I'm paying you 20 bucks an hour. That's the norm now. Yep. Are you guys familiar with the

01:16:06.680 dialogue between American feminist, Betty Friedan and for older French feminist, Simone de Beauvoir

01:16:13.640 from the middle of the century, uh, middle of the 20th century. De Beauvoir said to Betty Friedan,

01:16:20.240 you Americans, you're so obsessed with Liberty. If feminism's ever to preponderate, then you need

01:16:26.780 to do like we French do. We, you, you get it into the law fair. You force women away from the hearth

01:16:33.340 in the home because women do not want to be in the workplace. I've already cited paradox of declining

01:16:38.600 female happiness. They will not leave unless you force them. This is what we did in France. And

01:16:44.900 Betty Friedan said, yes, you're right. Americans do like our libertas more, but what we use here and

01:16:51.400 what we're going to use in our movement is shame is shame. And shame is this invisible, very hard to

01:16:59.100 metric force that, that, that was coming up earlier when we were talking about female sports? Like,

01:17:04.060 well, you know, it's invisible. Uh, yeah, you can always point to law and say in France, they forced

01:17:09.720 the women out into the workplace and disincentivized them, even punished them in America. It followed

01:17:16.360 the second wave feminism. I also don't believe in the waves, but second wave feminism as a historical

01:17:21.220 matter is what actually invisibly, secretly, subtly forced women into the workplace in the seventies.

01:17:28.520 And when you guys ask something like, well, are there any good female jobs? No women fundamentally

01:17:35.440 want to be home. And it's bad that either shame or legislation forced them away from doing something

01:17:43.180 that makes them happy into doing something that makes them unhappy. And ultimately, um, I would say

01:17:48.780 I was a school teacher in the most expensive state. I'm a native Angeleno and my wife never, uh, worked,

01:17:56.300 uh, after we came back, uh, from, uh, after I went to law school and I was a school teacher and we were

01:18:02.480 raising four or five, six kids before I started making more money. So you can, it can happen even

01:18:08.080 in this economy. It's not an impossibility. What you can make it happen. What is the solution?

01:18:14.220 So let's start here. I mean, uh, your, your thoughts, clearly men should get married,

01:18:18.680 have families. Would you, do you agree with that? Or what's your view?

01:18:21.280 I, I think that that ideally that's great. I think we have to work with what we have right

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01:19:56.300 Whatever it is, I think it's really taking a more pragmatic approach to it. So like for,

01:20:01.820 for what he's saying, I think from like sort of a religious socio, you know, sociological

01:20:05.580 perspective, I understand the want for that, but I look at things in a bit more, in a more

01:20:10.240 pragmatic way. So if we look at what, like I was saying before, if we look at where the rise in

01:20:15.240 divorce happened, if we look at where the decline at, we're at like six per 1,000 people right now

01:20:19.720 for, for marriage, we're at the lowest rate of marriage in the United States since they started

01:20:24.520 recording it back in the mid 1800s right now. Well, you can also blame the fact that we, we had

01:20:29.840 hormonal birth control, which then led leads to the rise in divorce. Then we have no fault divorce,

01:20:34.700 which comes into play right around 1968 with Ronald Reagan. And then state by state by state

01:20:39.180 by state starts adopting it. Then you've got 1971. You got the, no fault divorce shouldn't exist.

01:20:44.400 Then you've got the gold standard. And now we're, now women can get credit because we're now on

01:20:48.220 fiat currency because we don't have a gold backing it anymore. Then you've got, was it 1974 was Roe v.

01:20:53.360 Wade? It was 73. 73. Yeah. Then you got Roe v. Wade. Now you have on demand abortion, which is a fail safe

01:20:58.900 for bad reproductive choices that women are making at this time. So even if you're on the pill,

01:21:03.820 it's not going to make that much difference because now we can, you can go and have an on

01:21:07.240 demand safe and legal abortions for lack of a better term. Then you've got title nine.

01:21:11.200 Then you've got the, then you've got the, was it the Duluth model of feminism, which says that

01:21:16.080 the man is always the aggressor whenever there's a domestic dispute. And if you look at all of the,

01:21:21.500 if you track back all the way to say 1965, we have the, there's one invention that unsettled

01:21:26.900 human history at this point. And that was the advent of hormonal birth control, which will,

01:21:32.260 you know, for better or worse gives, gives the, at least the impression that you can now have sex

01:21:36.420 and women now are in control of the human reproductive process at this stage. One sex

01:21:42.020 gets to, gets to determine whether or not a child is born or is not.

01:21:45.940 I think that was typically the case.

01:21:47.580 Now, well, but prior to that, maybe like maybe in caveman era where the guy would conk the one

01:21:53.440 on the head. Caveman, caveman era would have been prior to 1965. Let's just say so.

01:21:59.220 Certainly we agree on that.

01:22:00.100 Just so we know about, just so we, so we're on the tracking on the same, but right up until that

01:22:03.780 point, I know I've had this debate with, with other people before saying like, well it's because

01:22:08.180 men controlled women because of economic factors there. You needed to have one, only the man was

01:22:12.700 going out and making money at that time. And the woman was at home taking care of, you know,

01:22:16.100 home and heart at that, at that point. Well, if you look at the things that have to happen

01:22:19.960 between say 1965 and 2024, and then the things that happened prior, like say in the greatest

01:22:25.240 generation, all the way up to 1965, the baby boomer generation, there it's the logical outcome

01:22:30.360 or the logical extension of that, of hormonal birth control is free love, the hippies, the,

01:22:36.660 you know, sexual revolution and everything that come follows in its wake. I don't see it as some

01:22:41.720 sort of, you know, nefarious plot by some, you know, shadow corporation of Illuminati. They might've

01:22:46.560 stepped in to take advantage of that situation, but we're just simply following our own human

01:22:52.160 nature at this point, which is where we're really at. But how do we write the, how do we write the

01:22:56.760 course of the ship? Well, it would be great if we could all get back to going in and just having

01:23:00.240 these wonderful, you know, patriarchal marriages, that would be awesome. You know, if we could get

01:23:05.040 back to that, but I don't see that as a tenable solution at this point. I think there needs to be,

01:23:09.720 well, like for instance, if you're looking at like these guys, like we're, we're, we're talking about,

01:23:13.420 like say, um, bring his name up. We got destiny. Who's, uh, you know, in an open marriage and now

01:23:18.720 he's like in a divorced situation, right? You've got people trying to figure out or rejigger, um,

01:23:25.840 marriage for themselves now, because we were still clinging to these 20th century ideals in a 21st

01:23:31.780 century reality where we have all this data saying, you know, look, we're six per 1,000, uh, you know,

01:23:38.040 people are getting married. Divorce rates are at about aggregate. They're at about 56%. So

01:23:43.200 at least half of marriages are going to fail anyways. I think what we need to do is have

01:23:48.220 some sort of marriage reform. I think that's really where it starts. If you want people to

01:23:51.840 get married again, incentivize getting married and disincentivize the things that keep them from

01:23:56.540 getting married. Let's go back in for, I think one of the, one of the big issues too, is if you go way

01:24:00.180 back in time, uh, we lived in small communities and we knew each other. 100 to 150 people tribes.

01:24:07.340 Yeah. And so that means, uh, a young boy, uh, there, there is a, uh, 100, 150 people, meaning

01:24:13.360 you're going to have that, that many children or so as people die, people are growing. And so these

01:24:18.320 young men are growing up right alongside the women in their communities. And so when, when it comes time

01:24:24.280 for adulthood, marriage, the fight, the fight, I love the idea of like how early homes were dealt

01:24:29.520 with. It was, you lived with your parents and then you were getting a new home to have your own

01:24:33.240 family. But think about this, this young man and this young woman then decide, okay, we're going

01:24:38.980 to get married. Maybe it's a culture that had an arranged marriage or otherwise, but their worldviews

01:24:43.280 were identical. They grew up in the same, in the same circumstances with the same environments,

01:24:47.840 the same weather challenges, slightly different familial problems, slightly different resource

01:24:51.840 problems, giving them a slightly different perspective. But when it came to how do we solve

01:24:55.780 problems? What do we believe? Typically they, uh, let's say the United States, they're Christian.

01:25:00.400 They go to church together. They know a lot of the same people. And so the way I see it today is

01:25:05.600 one of the problems we have with marriage is a guy from New York meets a woman from Florida who moved

01:25:15.180 to New York, grew up wildly different worlds, completely disagree. And they decide, you know

01:25:19.900 what? I like this person. There's an attraction here. They get along, they date and they want to get

01:25:23.080 married, but their worldviews are completely fragmented, which results in conflict. They don't get along.

01:25:28.000 I think marriage, I believe it is, it is probably the case. I haven't looked it up, but I'd be

01:25:33.500 willing to bet you could find the science that, that, that, that, that, that this justifies this

01:25:37.800 people who get married at a very, very young age probably will not get divorced. I think,

01:25:42.160 I think the data is true on that. It depends on how early they're getting. If you're getting

01:25:45.640 married at 18 or 19, you're definitely getting divorced. It's between 25 and 27. People who grow up

01:25:50.980 together in similar communities are less likely to get divorced. So likelihood, uh, especially if they have a

01:25:56.660 shared faith, uh, shared moral structure, uh, quite simply, if you have a guy who believes marriage is

01:26:02.680 something that is important and you must adhere to it and no fault divorce is bad. And he meets a

01:26:06.540 woman who completely agrees on that. The likelihood of divorce is very low because even if they're

01:26:10.340 finding themselves to have issues, they'll be like, we should get couples therapy because we agree the

01:26:13.920 morality here is we must remain married. Do you know what the odds are on dual praying together

01:26:19.300 every day? If, if you spend five minutes as a married couple praying, I'm not even sure this

01:26:24.920 is Christian specific though. It was run by Christians. What the odds of divorce are was

01:26:29.020 like zero. It's one out of 1,152. They ran this in the middle nineties when the divorce rates were

01:26:35.540 the highest, they reran it around 2010. So when I hear people saying, and I'm, I'm usually in the

01:26:41.200 minority, I am in this room right now on this particular facet of the topic that it's, it's a 20th

01:26:47.580 century ideal or something like that. No, this is a fundamental principle. This is the single cell

01:26:53.000 of society, marriage and family. We can't do without it. And it's fundamental to human nature.

01:26:58.080 It's fundamental to human happiness. It's what people want to do. I don't think you're

01:27:01.500 ignoring on that. Wait, what do we do though? Well, but I am like when people say we can't do this

01:27:06.620 anymore. No, all I say is try, try praying together for 10 minutes a day. It is. And for, for a

01:27:15.220 Christian, for a Christian society, which is what we are, if you pray together, your odds are less

01:27:20.280 than 0.01 of getting a divorce. They reran those 20 years apart and it works out very well for the

01:27:28.500 Christian couple. Now I will say this, that the view of, and I do agree, I strongly agree that no

01:27:34.740 fault divorce is an absolute catastrophe. It's an absurdism, but I represent the one worldview

01:27:41.800 that's extant under the sun that doesn't even acknowledge divorce, Roman Catholicism. The other

01:27:47.520 types of Christians do, Jews do, Muslims do. We don't even say it's real. So when we're talking

01:27:54.120 about a Christian society, I can't talk about marriage as a contract. It's as a natural thing,

01:28:00.220 it's not a contract. This is a blood oath taken between a man and a woman. And we say, we call all

01:28:06.020 our friends together and we say, we swear over these two swans or whatever, whatever he says in

01:28:11.900 outlaw king, that I will not be parted from this. This is one, one flesh with me. So when you hear

01:28:18.360 Dennis Prager or I don't know, some, some of the, the other red pill guys, like, like my, who's a,

01:28:24.700 who's a Muslim. Are you kidding? Well, you got, I'm just saying the view of marriage as a contract

01:28:30.020 is a Jewish and a Muslim thing. It's not a Christian thing. So when you talk to a bunch of

01:28:35.620 Christian young men, mostly white young Christian men, and you're giving them this foreign concept

01:28:42.100 of marriage as this, this kind of Jewish Muslim thing, it's a contract. Yeah. I don't want people

01:28:48.380 breaking that, but it's not just a contract and it's fundamentally anathema. It doesn't work. What

01:28:53.860 we need to be telling young men to do is, Hey, if you want to get married, even if you're not praying

01:29:00.600 10 minutes a day with your spouses, try it. So here's the problem. Let's talk to Christians

01:29:08.420 as Christians. And the problem is you end up getting married and then you think you're doing

01:29:15.440 everything right. You have a person there. You said, this is a, this is not a contract. This is a

01:29:19.240 blood oath till death do us part. And she says, okay. And then for, for one reason or another,

01:29:25.400 seven years later, she says, I've decided I just don't want to do this anymore. I've initiated

01:29:29.640 divorce proceedings. Get out of my house. Yeah. That's the way we do marriage right now. A lot

01:29:35.580 of people will, will criticize me because I have been married for 27 and a half years and they'll say,

01:29:39.580 well, Rollo Tomasi sounds like he's very anti-marriage. I'm like, I am not anti-marriage

01:29:43.820 whatsoever. I am anti the way that we do it now. So it's not that I don't think that in an

01:29:49.020 idealized state, marriage is a great thing. It is. It's just the way that we're doing it now.

01:29:52.940 And it goes back to your point where we're talking about how we're saying there's a guy

01:29:56.160 that's on the East coast and a guy or a woman on the West coast and they can find each other

01:29:59.820 and they say, Hey, you know, otherwise I probably wouldn't want to get with this girl. But because

01:30:03.320 we have this shared connection, because we have the ability through mass communication to be able to,

01:30:08.760 to find somebody all the way across the world. We're now in a global sexual marketplace. We're not in a

01:30:13.860 local sexual marketplace, which would have been more like the a hundred, 150 people within that,

01:30:18.020 with that particular township. That's a localized sexual marketplace. If that's all, if you're

01:30:22.060 completely cut off from, you know, the rest of the, relatively speaking, cut off from the rest of

01:30:26.240 the world, your, your prospects for marrying somebody or getting with that, you know, your

01:30:31.120 high school sweetheart are pretty much limited to that, to that local sexual marketplace. Now that

01:30:36.460 we have opened up the sexual marketplace to be global with dating apps, with what it doesn't have

01:30:42.980 to be that you could play world of Warcraft and find some chick that you like that's across the,

01:30:46.480 you know, across the ocean from you. Right. But you guys are ignoring my, sorry.

01:30:50.400 I'm not ignoring that. I'm just, I'm, I'm just finding a roundabout way to, to get to it. I'm

01:30:54.060 not saying that like, you know, the, the, the, the religious aspect of it is, is not something that

01:30:58.780 we should take into consideration. But what I am saying is that the way that we do marriage now,

01:31:02.720 when we're including the state in that there's all, this goes more to your point. There's all,

01:31:06.940 women have the full force of the state that is backing them because we're in a gynocentric

01:31:10.700 social.

01:31:11.000 And I'm not ignoring what you're saying. I'm saying you're telling like,

01:31:14.520 the challenge for young men is be honorable and be noble. And you can't read someone else's mind

01:31:20.120 and they could betray you. What I'm proposing, what I'm proposing, all the power is in their

01:31:24.560 hand today. It's not that every woman will, it's that any woman can. But yes. Okay. But let's,

01:31:30.260 let's deal with the numbers as they are. What I'm proposing, um, scales to any size population in

01:31:35.740 the world. So, so for, I agree with the localism thing. I'm a big localism guy, states rights guy,

01:31:41.060 subsidiarity, leave that aside because like, I just want to hear people react to, if you pray together

01:31:48.680 10 minutes a day to say, Oh, you, you can't pray away a big problems. Well, of course that's true.

01:31:54.440 But the numbers say it's less than 0.0, 0.1%, one out of a thousand, less than one out of 1100. No,

01:32:02.120 one's responding to that. Everyone hits you with one out of two. In other words, you're not going to get

01:32:06.860 a divorce. If you pursue the kinds of behaviors that lend to staying married. And I do agree that

01:32:14.760 no fault divorce is a complete catastrophe, but what if men, as they seem to be today, continue to

01:32:21.480 pursue this contract. It's not a contract with, um, stupid tort feasors. If you keep getting it,

01:32:27.980 I was in contract law for a while. If some man keeps getting into a bum deal, it doesn't matter how

01:32:34.840 good contract law is. If he keeps finding the worst tort feasors to enter into contracts with,

01:32:40.760 there will be malfeasance. And that seems to be at the heart of it. Men say, well, I want this

01:32:45.480 trapping of Christendom, which built Western civilization, Aristotle and Christendom. I want

01:32:52.400 this. I want the single cell of society, but I don't want to pray seven minutes a day, even though

01:32:57.820 the numbers bear that out. That's not the issue that I brought up. The issue is- That's the one I brought up.

01:33:01.160 And so you made a point about getting married and all that stuff. And my point was, which you

01:33:05.260 ignored is that right now, the weight of the state heavily benefits women and even encourages women

01:33:10.280 to initiate divorces. Yeah. I, I, I agree. Prayer is not just less than one out of 1100. When you do

01:33:15.240 what I propose, it's not just a Christian thing. You can meditate with your woman to, um, sitting,

01:33:19.740 spending time with aligning mentalities is like, uh, the way you mix Mary. I don't think that counts

01:33:25.220 marriage. I think in the survey, it was, I think it was just, you should try it. Cause it works too.

01:33:29.080 Um, marriage, marriage means to mix. It basically means mixing of the soul and the religious sense

01:33:34.120 you're blending the law, the, the legal marriage contract is another concept. So like you really

01:33:40.500 actively do need to mix your soul with your partner if you want it to survive. And I think

01:33:45.240 that's where prayer comes in. It's an active process of blending consciousness. Let me, let me address

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01:35:28.000 company with a 40 to 50% chance. You not only lose half of what you own, but you become homeless

01:35:34.740 in, in a, in a matter of several years. They'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, what kind

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01:35:43.520 you're, you're going to work alongside another person who will help you have a family and all

01:35:47.200 that with a 50, 40 to 50% chance you are kicked out of your own home, lose half your stuff,

01:35:53.000 have to pay child support, have to pay alimony and strong possibility. You never see your kids again.

01:35:59.240 And that's, what's being proposed to young men these days.

01:36:01.360 Well, you agree, you agree with Rolo here. This is one of his big points, but I would

01:36:05.220 gainsay if you went to someone and you said, I have a 1,151 out of 1,152 chance of success.

01:36:14.820 It's right there in the data. 40 to 50% of first marriages end in divorce.

01:36:17.480 Never tell me the odds. No, no. I'm saying if you pursue a very, very doable thing, which is pray.

01:36:23.980 And I understand a lot of young white men in America are apostatized Christians. That's,

01:36:29.000 that's what you're saying. The reality, but Tim, the hardcore reality is we'll come back.

01:36:32.740 You're arguing correlation and causation. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm absolutely not. I'm saying

01:36:37.080 the question was the, the broader prompt was what can be done? That's doable. That's within the

01:36:43.840 reach of young men who are so bothered by these stats when you, that they're less good stats

01:36:48.620 because you're entering less search criteria. Tim, when I'm saying, when I'm saying, yeah,

01:36:52.740 if you consider the broad population, it's like one out of two. Okay. So now you're talking about the

01:36:56.780 population that pursues the course of action that tends to achieve long marriages.

01:37:02.440 You have to, in dating before you get married, make sure she is willing to pray with you

01:37:07.440 on whatever average to take you are. You're saying people should be praying together.

01:37:10.840 And if she does over a certain amount of time, then perhaps you have a trustworthy relationship.

01:37:14.800 I think we also need that. We need to also remember that Christianity doesn't have a monopoly

01:37:19.040 on marriage. Okay. People were getting married in feudal Japan. Okay. Like marriage is not just

01:37:24.620 specifically a Christian thing. Right. I'm just talking to American men. I'm looking at,

01:37:29.140 I'm looking at marriage from a particular, like it's a form of marriage in human societies

01:37:34.440 is a formalization of monogamy is really basically what it is. It's like, we need a ceremony to say

01:37:40.080 that Joe is going to be with Sally and that's, and that's that we're going to put a wedding ring

01:37:44.660 on. So nobody goes, hits on either one of these. They're already, they're reserved. They're,

01:37:48.320 they're a pair, like leave them alone. Let them go make a family together. Whether,

01:37:52.020 like I said, whether that's in feudal Japan or that's in, you know, Western Europe makes

01:37:56.280 no difference. We, as human societies, we have always formalized monogamy and we call

01:38:01.120 it marriage. Okay. Now getting back to your point, have you ever heard of a coverture

01:38:06.120 laws? Do you know what a coverture laws? Okay. This was something I researched when I was

01:38:10.040 doing my fourth book, which is religion. There's a big healthy section in there on marriage

01:38:13.560 coverture laws in the, I want to say like the 1700s, 1800s, somewhere around there. Coverture laws

01:38:19.540 were, uh, laws that were, uh, that would put men in charge of their wives, uh, assets,

01:38:25.640 their resources. So when feminists used to say, well, you know, while they still do today,

01:38:29.620 they said, well, you know, women couldn't own property. They couldn't have their own money.

01:38:32.720 They couldn't go to school. They could know they could do all of those things. Women had

01:38:36.820 land. Women had money back then. The problem is, is if they got married, which is what they

01:38:41.620 had to do back then is that once they got married, their husbands were now in control of

01:38:47.600 that land and now in control of that, of the, of the money, like it could inherit a business

01:38:52.840 from their fathers or something like that. Because under the marriage contract of the times,

01:38:57.740 it was a man was responsible financially and, and even criminally. If that woman, uh, drove

01:39:04.460 that, that company into the ground, the man, the husband was responsible for that. Uh, same

01:39:09.320 thing with children back then. If the child was, uh, in a, was a criminal, the husband was

01:39:14.700 responsible for the state of the, of that, of their own children. So it's not that women

01:39:18.780 couldn't hold, uh, couldn't hold land, couldn't hold money. It's that there, the, the contract

01:39:24.180 that was marriage of that time implied something implied a responsibility to men at that time

01:39:29.820 that meant that they had to be very, very careful of that. And they would say like, okay, well,

01:39:33.740 you don't want this family to go bankrupt because you're allowing this woman to still be in control

01:39:38.020 of whatever her, whatever her company was or whatever that land was. And so it, it transferred

01:39:43.900 ownership over to the man. What was happening at that time was that it, women had more rights,

01:39:50.080 technically more rights and more maneuverability outside of marriage. If they had land, if they

01:39:54.640 had money, then they did inside because they would immediately lose control to that. The problem

01:39:59.540 that we're having today is that we have coverture laws, but they're for men. These days, men have

01:40:04.240 more maneuverability and more power over their own lives outside of marriage than they do inside of

01:40:09.120 marriage today. Because if you go and you think about this, if you're have a business today,

01:40:14.060 if you have, uh, if you have debt, community debt, if you have a credit card debt that now becomes

01:40:19.820 the, the debt of the marriage, not the debt of the individual anymore. So when you bring that into

01:40:24.980 the marriage, now you're paying off her student loans. Now you're paying off her credit card bills

01:40:29.240 for when she was in college. Now you are paying off, uh, whatever you're like the potential exists

01:40:34.900 that if you have a company that you could lose half of your company in a divorce settlement,

01:40:38.900 it's not just lose half my stuff. It's lose half my company and half of the investment that I have

01:40:43.700 put into this particular thing, just because you signed a marriage. And real quick, it's, it's worse

01:40:48.740 than that. I mean, if you look at Bezos and McKenzie, I guess she's goes by Scott. Now she's, uh,

01:40:55.260 there's an interesting argument as an aside that she, that many articles, namely leftist ones argue,

01:40:59.920 she's a co-founder of Amazon. And, you know, I don't know the degree to which she assisted

01:41:04.760 Jeff when he was founding the company. Was it worth $33 billion? $40.2 billion. Here's the issue.

01:41:10.360 If she takes this stock in the divorce and then destroys it, Amazon goes down with it.

01:41:17.460 Stock, stock is ownership in a company is not just the value of the company. It's the ability to burn

01:41:21.960 it to the ground. So, uh, I'll, I'll jump to this real quick. 70% of divorces are initiated by women.

01:41:28.600 So the issue that we see in, in the modern era, and I think a lot of young men, uh, you probably

01:41:33.580 kind of this will tell you why they're not getting married. Women have a financial incentive

01:41:38.420 to get divorced. If at any point they're unhappy, they could consider, should we go to marriage

01:41:42.800 counseling and therapy and try and repair this relationship and figure it out? Well, then she

01:41:46.960 looks at it and she says, well, I'm going to get the house. I can do whatever I want. And he's got

01:41:51.140 to pay me for the rest of my life. There is a financial and there was a massive incentive and

01:41:55.780 benefit. The reason why I think marriage is likely more often initiated by women simply because

01:42:00.940 women benefit from, I'm sorry, divorces moral. They say, here are the reasons why women initiate

01:42:05.820 divorce. I'm like, no, no, no, no. That could explain why women initiate divorce. It doesn't

01:42:09.120 explain why they'd initiate divorce more than men. These articles say things like they have unmet

01:42:13.460 needs or, uh, whatever emotionalist answer that they can get. Right. I'm like, actually it's

01:42:19.360 mathematically really simple. Men don't want to initiate divorce because they get kicked out of

01:42:23.520 their homes more often. They don't get to see their kids. They have to pay alimony and child

01:42:27.020 support typically. And the women are more likely to, because in their mind, if I'm unhappy in this

01:42:32.340 relationship, I can say outright right now, I leave and I get taken care of. I don't got to work. I

01:42:37.880 get free money. I'll quote another stat for you. This is from like James Sexton is a good friend

01:42:41.040 of mine. He's the divorce attorney. He's been on Lex Freed. Oh, this guy's awesome. Yeah. He's

01:42:43.820 awesome. You should get, you should definitely get, uh, James on here. Uh, one of the things that if

01:42:48.980 you look at the average age of first marriage right now for men and women in the United States,

01:42:52.660 for women, it is now 30 and for men, it is now 32. Wow. So how do you know it's an incentive?

01:42:58.540 I'll tell you because the average duration of an marriage before divorce occurs is anywhere

01:43:04.480 between five to nine years. Average is seven. So if the woman gets married at 30, she's 37

01:43:09.880 on average when she gets divorced just prior to when she's about 40, when she, when she's saying,

01:43:15.760 you know, I better, I better shit or get off the pot. I'm either going to stay with this guy

01:43:19.120 or I'm not going to stay with this guy. By the way, 90, 90% of divorces are initiated by college

01:43:25.260 educated women. When you, when we put that in there, uh, my fourth book is called don't go to

01:43:29.780 college. Yeah. And of course everyone agrees that, um, if you denude the statistics of all meaningful

01:43:36.480 behaviors that could be, uh, that could curb eventual divorce. Yes. The feminism is going to

01:43:43.260 crush the men. If you, if you denude it of any kind of meaningful, um, set of structures that a

01:43:50.040 man can take as a, as a patriarch is the leader of a home, then these statistics will, will crush

01:43:56.600 any of those men who are, uh, not attempting to take control of the situation. What are the

01:44:01.640 conditions? The problem is you're not going to out alpha the state. That's what I'm saying. It's

01:44:05.460 like, you're not like, as it stands right now, I mean, it's great to, I understand what you're

01:44:08.900 saying. I, from a spiritual perspective, I get it. I don't mean spiritually. I mean, I mean,

01:44:13.220 from, from the perspective that we're in right now, like people will ask me like, well, when's

01:44:17.960 the pendulum going to swing back? When are we going to get back to the good old days of the

01:44:20.900 19th? I don't think there's is no fucking pendulum. We only go forward. You only go forward. You can

01:44:26.160 learn from what was happening in the past, but we only go forward from here. I think one of the

01:44:30.680 reasons why I have such a debate about marriage today is because we're still, like I said, we're still

01:44:35.120 clinging to these ideals of the 20th century. We want to be like our grandparents, grandma and

01:44:40.720 grandpa stayed together for so long and they really loved each other. And then like in the

01:44:43.740 seventies, you're like, I was, I'm gen X, right? So it was like, I was a latchkey kid. My parents

01:44:48.000 split up when I was like eight years old, right? I'm used to that right now. It's like, like just

01:44:52.680 common, you know, I take it for granted at this point, but I shouldn't have to take it for

01:44:57.000 granted. I should be able to say, okay, maybe we can do things in a better way. Maybe there's

01:45:00.620 some, maybe there's some like change, some tweak, some disincentivizing or some

01:45:04.600 incentivizing to say, Hey, you know what? Marriage ain't such a bad thing, but we got

01:45:08.520 to be able to disincentivize the idea of, I'm just going to, I'm going to go in and

01:45:12.640 I'm going to take, uh, you know, the, the, the retirement program that is marriage for

01:45:17.500 women. We need to take away the incentives for that being a retirement program for women.

01:45:22.300 We need to disincentivize being a single mom. I think what happens is when, uh, when we

01:45:26.680 look at like prior to the sexual revolution, you also have to take into account the, the sort

01:45:31.240 of the sexual mores that were going on at that time. My mother-in-law happens to be

01:45:35.540 like from a generation that was prior to the sexual revolution. So if a woman became pregnant,

01:45:40.360 like, uh, back in her generation, that was very shameful. It wasn't even a religious thing.

01:45:45.740 It was just a, something that society says, Oh, well, you know, this, this girl's 16 years

01:45:49.880 old, we're going to do what's called putting her away. And what they would do is they would

01:45:53.500 take that, they would take that girl and they would go and put her with her grandparents.

01:45:56.760 She would either have the child and give it up for adoption or the grandparents would

01:46:00.100 adopt it and say it's their own. Right. And then they would put her back in the family

01:46:04.400 and things would continue as normal. Now in a post-sexual revolution society, we have

01:46:09.380 taken, um, child rearing from a marriage-based model to a child support based model. And so

01:46:16.880 now to be a single mother is something to be very proud of every mother's day. We're like,

01:46:21.100 Oh, you, you, I never needed a dad. You go girl. You're, you're just as, as a woman

01:46:25.580 can perform exactly the same functions as a mother can perform the same functions as

01:46:29.420 a father. But wait, I don't, I don't want to be like my grandparents. What we have, what

01:46:33.020 we got divorced, but what we have effectively done is we've made men superfluous. Did you

01:46:38.060 made that they don't need, we, we, they're nice to have around, but we don't actually need

01:46:41.840 them until of course they become something of a financial incentive so that we can seven

01:46:45.640 years later get divorced and we can, I agree with that. Or a different lifestyle.

01:46:49.900 Overwhelmingly, it is women supporting the war in Ukraine, which is fascinating. And

01:46:54.600 what I mean by that is because they're getting death benefits. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm particularly

01:46:58.860 extrapolating the data, but women, uh, vote Democrat at a very, very high rate relative to men.

01:47:05.240 Certainly men do vote Democrat too, but I believe Pew research a couple of years ago, it's like 55%

01:47:10.220 of men vote Republican 45 Democrat among women. It's like 70%. So there is a higher proportion of women

01:47:16.080 who are voting in favor of Democrat policy, which sends our money to war.

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01:48:41.500 on care. Did I mention that we care? We're in conflict and combat pushing us towards World War

01:48:50.220 Three in which they have no material obligation to their lives the way men do with the draft.

01:48:55.420 So I take particular offense to this, but to go back to what you were saying,

01:49:02.420 I don't know if you saw the video. Someone did a man on the street where they go around asking men,

01:49:06.140 do men need women? All the men say, yes, of course. We use that on Access Vegas.

01:49:09.680 They ask the women, do women need men? They all say no. And so my point about war is many of these

01:49:15.180 women, 70% voting Democrat, are pushing us towards a massive war where as soon as the war breaks out,

01:49:22.060 they immediately turn around and beg the men to save their lives.

01:49:25.720 Yeah. Well, the way the paradigm that that's being described is a mischaracterization. I don't

01:49:31.540 want to be like my grandparents. Three of my four grandparents were all involved in divorces. I

01:49:36.800 never will be. So I think what you're largely describing the 1950s mentality is the way we never

01:49:43.480 were. Instead, so I'm not looking to the 50s as some paragon of marital excellence. I'm looking at

01:49:50.320 practically what human nature is, what people are attracted to, and the numbers, what really works.

01:49:58.100 So I already mentioned prayer. I'm looking at what, not necessarily Rolo, but what the other red

01:50:04.580 pill influencers are telling men to do. Don't get married till you're 30 or 35. I think you agree with

01:50:09.460 that one. Run around, increase your sexual marketplace value and have lots of sex. Well,

01:50:15.960 it turns out that if you have as many as three premarital sex partners, this increases the odds

01:50:21.780 of divorce by 400%. If that number, if your body count goes to six, that number increases your odds

01:50:29.500 of divorce to 500%. It goes all the way up. It scales up. So if you don't want to get a divorce,

01:50:35.420 you do have to think ahead of time, same as we tell the young women, avoid premarital sex. The

01:50:41.320 numbers bear this out. Those are real numbers. These aren't religious numbers or something like

01:50:45.320 that. Eventually pray. And most of all, contraception. Contraception increases divorce before or during

01:50:54.440 marriage between 160 and 200%, depending on the types of contraception. And I would say also, this is

01:51:01.100 the second point I never got to make earlier. The purpose of marriage and family is procreation.

01:51:09.560 And most Americans, most Christians are included in this, have onboarded a fundamentally contraceptive

01:51:17.640 mindset. If you tell them, hey, what's the purpose of nutrition? Well, why do we eat? Well, that's to get

01:51:25.280 nutrients from food to be fit. Guys should have strong muscles. Women should be lean. And fat people

01:51:32.220 are abusing the pleasure that they get as a byproduct from food. What's the telos? What's the natural end

01:51:37.940 of your metabolic system? It's lean nutrition. It delivers pleasure as a secondary thing. Everyone

01:51:45.980 gets that, particularly all the young men that are listening to the red pill. They're like, yeah,

01:51:49.720 that's cool. Then you say, now let's apply the same analysis to the reproductive system. America's

01:51:56.420 society has been brain swiped by a contraceptive mindset. What's the point of the male and the female

01:52:02.740 procreative apparatus? They'll say, oh, well, pleasure. No, it's not pleasure. It has a very, very

01:52:10.320 discreet, very self-evident purpose. It's procreation. And same as the fatty can abuse food and calories

01:52:17.860 to put first things, second and second things first. And that's what makes them fat. You're

01:52:22.820 eating McDonald's cheeseburgers because you think pleasure is the point of food, even though it's a

01:52:26.280 byproduct. If we reverse, and as C.S. Lewis said, put first things first and second things second,

01:52:32.720 we understand that sex is fundamentally for family. And yes, it also delivers tons of pleasure.

01:52:39.460 Everyone knows that. Then we will restore a view of marriage and family, which is, if you combine it

01:52:45.900 with all the other things I've said properly ordered. I think, I think there is a conscious

01:52:51.240 and willful effort to destroy. I don't think it's a grand Illuminati scheme. Some people would argue

01:52:56.540 that, you know, the globalists are trying to, you know, to a certain degree, yes, there are powerful

01:53:00.140 interests that think climate change. They follow the Malthusian idea of the population bomb and stuff

01:53:04.760 like that. A lot of it though, I think comes from the general concept of civil rights in that live

01:53:09.080 and let live. So as you're describing, if people want to buy cheeseburgers and buy cheeseburgers,

01:53:13.440 they can buy cheeseburgers. And most people agree you can eat your cheeseburgers, but what ends up

01:53:17.160 happening? You end up with a nation of morbidly obese individuals who demand bigger plane seats,

01:53:22.480 bigger planes. I mean, this is nonsensical. They want free healthcare for their health ailments from

01:53:27.140 their bad choices that we have to pay for when we are trying to do things right. So I believe most of

01:53:32.300 the issues we're seeing is more emergent. And I don't know how you quite solve for that unless you

01:53:36.760 say, okay, that's it. Fine. We're putting punitive taxes like Bloomberg tried to do on sodas in New York.

01:53:41.380 Well, you also are looking at, again, the human animal, the human machine right here. So if you're

01:53:46.680 looking at, if you want to talk about it in terms of obesity rates right now, the reason why we are

01:53:50.760 75% of the United States is like overweight, something like 30, 35% are morbidly obese right

01:53:57.960 now. Why is that? Well, because we have access to super high calorie, high saturated fats, you know,

01:54:03.060 seed oils, whatever you want to call it. 42%. 42%. Okay. So we have all of this access to foods that we

01:54:10.060 never had in our evolutionary past. Of course we wanted, of course we're going to be, our natural

01:54:14.120 proclivity is going to be to overeat, particularly high carb, high starch diets, because we didn't

01:54:19.620 have those. That would, that meant a really good survival prospect to when we were living in

01:54:25.780 hunter gatherer tribes, we wanted to have like, you know, nice, sweet foods because that gave us an

01:54:30.480 energy boost that might also aid us in our survival. The same thing can be applied to sexuality.

01:54:35.780 The same thing can apply to whether it's reproduction or it's survival. If you look at the, if you look

01:54:41.100 at where we, it's what evolutionary psychologists will call a genetic gap. Okay. We are in a

01:54:46.800 technological era right now where we're still this animal that was on the, you know, sub-Saharan

01:54:52.380 African plains that we're now in sort of these semi-medieval societies, but with this godlike

01:54:58.660 technology at this point. So we have, we have, we don't have to chase down our food anymore. We don't

01:55:04.320 have to hunt our food anymore. We don't have to expend the calories to get the calories anymore.

01:55:08.180 We can just simply go get it. But the machine is the machine.

01:55:11.160 You are correct. You said overweight. Right now, the latest numbers going for the Wikipedia

01:55:18.020 to 2015 is about 80% of men are overweight with what looks like we've got 30% obese and

01:55:26.080 about 10% morbidly obese. And then, uh, average female weight is one 70.5.

01:55:32.540 And among women, five, six. Oh my gosh. So, uh, around 24, 25% of women are overweight.

01:55:39.340 An additional, what looks like, Holy smokes. What are we looking at? Six, 20, 20, another,

01:55:45.040 is that another 35% are obese and what looks like about 12 to 13% are morbidly obese. Overall overweight

01:55:54.020 among women is a few points. It appears lower as of 2015 than men. I imagine it's substantially

01:55:59.140 worse. Nine years ago. Yeah. This is nine years ago. I gotta, I gotta pull up the, the,

01:56:03.360 the correct numbers. Holy crap. You want to, you want to increase, uh, human happiness

01:56:08.080 and, uh, in marriage rates, uh, get your fat ass in the gym. Because we're still the same,

01:56:13.700 we're still the same machine. We still have, have the same proclivities for like what we find

01:56:17.400 sexually attractive, but we're still, everyone's overweight. But wait, wait, I thought, I thought

01:56:22.020 you're saying Rolo that, that marriage is an ancient idea that you sound like me when you

01:56:25.820 say we sell the same nature. I'm just saying that it's a formalization of monogamy is what

01:56:31.300 it is. But like, for instance, if this is an experiment that I run through is like, whenever

01:56:35.600 I go to an airport, especially in Vegas, you can walk through that. What I would suggest

01:56:39.720 people do is if you get to TSA and you're walking from TSA to your gate, put your phone

01:56:44.900 away and just people watch because especially a major metropolitan airport and just look at the

01:56:50.380 people that are around you. That's the average American, not the people sitting in this room,

01:56:55.100 not the people that we have on access Vegas, not the people that aren't fresh and fit,

01:56:58.080 not the people that are on whatever, whatever podcast you want to talk about. Those are not

01:57:02.220 the average, the average you will find walking from TSA to your gate. Just look at who you,

01:57:08.560 who we're talking about.

01:57:09.220 I want to say too, like for everybody listening, consider the opinions of all of us in this room

01:57:13.420 and then realize like even Ian recently started lifting. So this is not like, I imagine if you

01:57:19.640 went and got a random sampling of Americans, you'd have people being like, what's wrong

01:57:22.960 with eating a cheeseburger? And then like, we're more of the kind of people, it's like,

01:57:27.100 you know, I've been skateboarding for 20 some odd years. So now I've added lifting to my,

01:57:31.380 I've actually started doing proper training and stuff to get-

01:57:33.560 I saw your plates on the walk in here.

01:57:34.980 Yeah, we got a nice little gym.

01:57:36.120 You're going to put some weight on there?

01:57:38.480 We, so I got to do upper body because I've only ever done the lower body stuff. But even,

01:57:42.680 even as an aside, as you know, I'm not someone who is typically tracking macros or doing any of that

01:57:47.820 lifting stuff. Only recently I've done it, but I have always been athletic. And the interesting

01:57:52.720 thing for skateboarders, I call it the lowest tier of professional sports. Literally. I was

01:57:58.520 talking about Richie Jackson. I made the joke. I'm like, he's a professional athlete, but he's

01:58:01.900 like the lowest tier. Skateboarders drink, they smoke, they don't eat properly. They wear weird

01:58:06.800 clothes. They just don't care. They don't even realize they're athletes. So they're getting an

01:58:10.260 ancillary like background benefit to their goofing off. But I'm like, it's time to take these things

01:58:14.660 seriously. But, but more to the point, the opinions you're hearing in this room are a bunch of guys

01:58:19.440 who have taken these things to a certain degree seriously and are trying to be responsible.

01:58:24.540 I, I, I think it would probably be worrying and terrifying to people if they, if we actually

01:58:29.120 just did like, maybe we should do this too with, when we moved to the new studio, where we can do

01:58:33.960 these panels, where we just bring in a random sampling of people and ask them very similar

01:58:38.760 questions. They're going to be like, what do you have for breakfast? And they're going to be like,

01:58:41.600 you know, a handful of pancakes, leftover pizza. You know, I drink a milkshake. I see these,

01:58:48.460 these, this funny video, this, you said the average weight of a woman is 170.

01:58:52.040 And there was that viral TikTok woman's like, I am addicted to coffee. And she's holding a

01:58:56.500 frappuccino. It's a milkshake, not coffee. People are like, I love chocolate, but no,

01:59:02.320 you're talking about the sweetness, which is the sugar. If you eat chocolate, it's very bitter.

01:59:05.980 Yeah, it is good. It's very good for you. We've got rock cow nibs, which is, it's very,

01:59:11.680 very, very fatty. You got to be careful. I was super high fat, dark chocolate. And when I have

01:59:16.500 coffee, I've, I used to do, I was doing a low carb, high fat thing. Now I'm just doing black

01:59:21.140 coffee. It's zero calorie. How do you guys like with gluttony? We're kind of talking about the

01:59:26.300 danger of gluttony and lust, the gluttony of the mind. I mean, with Instagram, you pull up Instagram,

01:59:30.900 you see 90 different women in bikinis. That's not normal in the nineties.

01:59:34.680 On their AI too.

01:59:36.240 Well, that guy sitting right over there is currently solving that problem. His name is Nicholas

01:59:41.560 Stumphauser and he is solving the precise problem.

01:59:46.160 Instagram is just funnel marketing for women pretty much. It's funnel marketing for women is

01:59:53.680 basically what it is. No, I was going to say, as we live in a, again, going back to the example,

01:59:58.140 I was talking about having, you know, access to, uh, unlimited access to high starch, high carb foods.

02:00:04.480 Um, the same thing applies to pornography right now. So we have like a, a nine-year-old kid with a

02:00:10.540 cell phone in hand has access to, uh, a level of sexuality that was reserved for like Caligula and

02:00:17.520 ancient, you know, Pharaohs and, and, and, uh, you know, Caesars of the time.

02:00:22.360 That's by design. Porn is war.

02:00:24.080 Because well, everything that we've, everything that we've done when we were talking about

02:00:28.060 sexuality, um, getting hardcore pornography used to be something like you had to really

02:00:32.460 find, you have to really go hunt for when in the mid eighties, right? Like if you're, if your uncle

02:00:36.560 had a hustler or something like that, that was, that was considered something where you're like,

02:00:40.720 you know, you're going to hang on to this because this is your, this is your hustler. Right now you

02:00:45.040 just need a cell phone. Now it's free. That's why I was trying to make the point between like the

02:00:48.300 difference between only fans and just, and, and hardcore pornography because only fans offer something that

02:00:53.500 pornography doesn't, but I, but I got good news. Okay. Only fans is done. Okay. Women in the

02:00:59.380 workplace. How so? Uh, okay. My, this is, this is hilarious. Men are AI generating hookers to put on

02:01:08.100 Instagram and only fans to sell to other men. And then these guys are getting addicted to these

02:01:13.820 women and talking to them. And it's actually a dude the whole time. So women are going to be placed,

02:01:18.260 are going to be priced out of the only fans market because AI generated women can do more

02:01:23.380 than a real woman. It's robot. There's a having this conversation again in 30 years about robots

02:01:27.700 and about how humans are hot, bro. No, no, no, no, no. We're going to be in 30 years. The podcast is

02:01:34.240 going to have a robot being like, you cannot deny me my rights. I am alive. I want and desire. And

02:01:40.400 you're going to be like, no, you're a machine. You're a washing machine. We invented you. And that's

02:01:43.500 going to be the debate. Except we'll have electrodes plugged into our brains to have a conversation.

02:01:47.200 We'll not actually be talking. We'll be talking. No, I was going to say is that I don't, I forget

02:01:51.000 the name of the act. There's actually a name for this phenomenon, but it's every new invention,

02:01:56.300 every new meat, particularly media, whether it's photography or it's like a style of painting,

02:02:00.760 like Renaissance style painting up through the internet, every new technology that is developed

02:02:06.680 in, um, in human society, it succeeds where it fails in its application towards pornography,

02:02:13.440 towards facilitating human sexuality. There's a name for it. I can't remember the name of

02:02:17.180 it, but Uber too. I mean, you can go out with a girl, go on a date, get drunk and you

02:02:20.260 don't have to drive home.

02:02:20.980 I get this all the time. Like people will say like, Oh, Roller, wouldn't it be great

02:02:23.140 if we, uh, if we would legalize prostitution, right? But I live in Nevada. Okay. I'm a big

02:02:27.980 deal. Right. But, uh, I, I tell these guys, I said, we already do. All you got to do is

02:02:32.300 go on trist.com or save the, or, you know, spare the games or some shit like that. There's,

02:02:36.140 there's apps. There's an app for that seeking arrangement is more for sugaring, but if you go

02:02:40.420 to trist or like skip the games is what it's called.com that they're basically applications

02:02:45.040 that fill facilitate in call and out call escorts. And so you don't, you can live in, in this, you

02:02:51.920 can live in Maryland. I bet you anything. You could probably go on trist.com and probably

02:02:55.280 have a hooker here in half an hour.

02:02:56.440 Let me, let me tell you, uh, we'll, we'll do this for like the final portion of the show.

02:02:59.920 Uh, one thing we've talked about quite a bit is how dating apps have altered the market and resulted

02:03:04.560 in, uh, in cells and to a certain degree themselves, but less. So a lot of data showing that young

02:03:09.700 men are more likely to be virgins. Uh, I remember we had Seamus Coughlin on IRL and he said,

02:03:14.300 based. And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Young men should be married and having families.

02:03:17.920 They shouldn't be virgins. So not based, you know, on the surface perhaps, but here's what

02:03:22.060 I see happening. And I talked about this quite a long time ago. It used to be that, uh, at

02:03:27.960 least when I was growing up, you didn't have, so you, we, uh, 18, I think we had some social

02:03:32.100 media apps in my space or something. We didn't really use it. Uh, it wasn't, we, we didn't

02:03:36.780 really have dating apps. Okay. Cupid, I think was starting to come around, but for the most

02:03:40.100 part, you're an 18 year old guy, you start college. Now you're in this community of, you

02:03:45.280 know, a few thousand young people and you form social circles. And so people are texting

02:03:50.980 each other. If you have a cell phones, maybe some of you don't, because I think 18 was

02:03:54.940 before the ubiquity of the iPhone. Some people had phones, some people didn't have texting

02:03:58.420 plans. So you're hanging out on campus. You, you meet a girl, you hit it off. Now you're

02:04:02.740 dating her, her dating options are 18 to 22 within my college campus. And so sometimes

02:04:08.940 a freshman girl's dating, you know, a sophomore, junior guy in college or something like that.

02:04:13.100 But for the most part, it's constrained to the geography. Dating apps come out and what

02:04:17.140 happens now? This 20 year old woman in college is hanging out, you know, in a dorm. She meets

02:04:23.560 a bunch of people. The next weekend, this 20 year old guy texts her saying, Hey, you had

02:04:28.500 really fun hanging out with you last weekend. We should totally go and hang out. Are you

02:04:31.940 around? And she thinks, Oh, this guy's kind of cute. I liked him. She says, yeah, let

02:04:36.420 me see what the plans are. Then she goes on Tinder and she gets a message from a guy who

02:04:41.000 was 35. This guy's got a convertible. He makes $85,000 a year. He lives in a studio apartment

02:04:47.260 facing the lake in Chicago. And he texts her and says, why don't you come hang out with

02:04:50.880 me? We'll drive down Lake Shore, drive in my convertible, grab a bite to eat and I'll take

02:04:54.580 you to the lake. And she goes, Whoa. Then she texts back the other guy, what are you up to?

02:04:58.060 And he goes, we're hanging out in the dorm. And she goes, that's cool. Hey, I think

02:05:00.980 I'm busy tonight. How, how is a 20 year old guy going to compete with a, with a 30 year

02:05:06.060 old, 35 year old or 30 year old guy who's got all of this access he can give. And it's

02:05:10.800 not, I'm not, I'm not putting any shame or anything on the woman. She's being presented

02:05:14.380 with two options, a young man with limited resources and, and an older guy who can give

02:05:19.620 her a wild and fun night and more resources. So what we ended up seeing in some of this data

02:05:25.880 was that guys who were in their thirties were actually having more sex and guys in their

02:05:30.780 twenties are having less sex. I think that is indicative of the social media because you've

02:05:34.440 opened it up to a global marketplace, like I was saying before. And I also want to point

02:05:37.940 out that like a lot of people, I've fielded this question before. A lot of people will

02:05:42.160 take you to task on that saying, well, you know, not all like, think about how many women

02:05:45.580 there are in college campuses. Like just say between the ages of 18 and like, I don't know,

02:05:49.460 28 somewhere in there. And are they all going off to fly? You're getting flued out to Miami

02:05:54.680 to go to go beyond yacht parties. That's not the point. The point isn't if they're actually

02:05:59.580 doing that. The point is that the perception is that they could be doing, but it's not even

02:06:04.180 that it's, it's a pressure system. Oh yeah. If, if the, if the operation of these apps increases

02:06:08.920 the rate by which women are going to older men by 5%, it's skewing in that direction, creating

02:06:15.060 pressure where it becomes increasingly harder. Then what happens when a 20 year old woman

02:06:19.760 who's in college posts a video, maybe it's one out of 10,000, but she posts a video on

02:06:24.960 Instagram where she's like, yacht party. Look at it. What I got with Drake or there's some

02:06:30.600 dude and he's wearing like he's, he's, he works out, he's fit. He's got a ton of money

02:06:34.620 and he rented a yacht. You can rent these yachts, yachts. If you're doing like a four hour tour,

02:06:38.480 a couple of grand, a couple of grand. So a guy could save up and do it one time or he

02:06:43.160 and his buddies all pool in 400 bucks, 500 bucks. And then they, they pitch together

02:06:47.900 to get the yacht. Then they tell these young women, Hey, I'll fly you out here for them.

02:06:52.340 It's a quick hookup. That young woman then posts on social media. Look what I'm getting

02:06:55.860 to do. Other women are like, why aren't I getting to live this glam? I'm hotter than

02:07:00.920 that bitch. I could get, I could do that. But then here, okay. So here's the darker side

02:07:04.380 of that. All of that. 100% agree. Then you get the tender swindler. Oh, right. So like,

02:07:11.240 but because essentially what he's doing is he's, he's like, it's never been easier to,

02:07:15.980 to manufacture, fabricate the cues of higher value today. You can go rent a Lamborghini,

02:07:22.580 go take an Instagram shot of it. Or like you have all these guys or these women who are like,

02:07:26.520 go, they literally have these, you know, these dummy private jet interiors where you can go sit

02:07:31.380 down and pretend like you're like on your, your Lear jet going somewhere. It's bullshit. But like

02:07:34.960 people will, you can go pay a fee, go get your Instagram shots. And then, you know,

02:07:38.520 real, real jets. Yeah. They rent out real jets for photo shoots. Someone pointed this out in a

02:07:43.400 viral video on TikTok and Instagram that the jet covers were on and the woman was walking up and

02:07:48.600 smiling as she got into the jet. And they were like, no one boards a jet with the jet cover

02:07:53.120 already on. She's, she's, it's, she's faking it. There's a really funny 4chan green text post

02:07:58.820 where a guy is, he's like, he's like five, six man lit overweight. I don't know if you saw this one.

02:08:03.600 And he's like, decide to stop sitting around doing nothing. Hire, uh, hire friends to make

02:08:08.700 fake music video, rent, rent a boat and wear fake gold chains dancing on it. Start sending

02:08:13.660 messages to women. He's like, buy fake followers, send messages to women on Instagram saying that

02:08:18.920 I'm a famous rapper and they should come party with me getting laid. Why aren't you guys fraud

02:08:23.200 maxing yet? Fraud maxing. I like that. Clearly, clearly at least we're capturing the essence of it.

02:08:29.440 Um, this is, this shit is bread and bread and circuses. It's degeneracy. And the people that

02:08:35.080 want to something more, which is a resurgence can find something more. Um, they're like,

02:08:41.340 we started a matchmaking site, which, um, is it functions on a biological principle called

02:08:47.740 assortative pairing. We're basically a four out of 10 should, should match with a four out

02:08:54.260 of 10 or a five out of 10. And people with similar body counts will find each other. This is a,

02:08:58.140 um, evo psych and, and biological perspective that people are with social media, not doing their

02:09:07.500 best to steward their own options, to collocate their own options. They're one young men are

02:09:12.040 wanting, they have a higher threshold for, uh, uh, a lower threshold for hooking up with chicks

02:09:18.160 and women have a lower threshold for getting married. And this is making people miss. Well,

02:09:24.380 if we go back to matchmaking, we've already had two engagements on the site. We opened less than a

02:09:29.780 year ago, folks that are serious about finding marriage that are serious about being inspired

02:09:35.660 young, probably apostatized Christian white dudes, uh, mostly, but, but Christian American dudes,

02:09:41.820 they realize the record is recreationalization of sex that you're describing here is gay. It's the

02:09:48.380 gay cruiser lifestyle for straights. Like, like premarital sex is, is gay. Uh, contraception

02:09:55.400 is fucking gay. What they want, if they want a pretty thin fit, lovely wifely young wife can

02:10:03.420 still be gotten. You got to look in the right place. And you're at the right places in word

02:10:08.020 Barnes and Noble church, church, church, church has been infiltrated partly. I agree, but I,

02:10:14.380 I do believe that there is a, what's a, uh, uh, if, if we're looking at the solutions that are

02:10:21.220 available, one of the strongest and most obvious is go to church. I'm not Christian, uh, believe in

02:10:27.640 God, definitely not an atheist, but, uh, I think it's plainly obvious that people have strong moral

02:10:33.620 structures. So I'm not saying that church is a guarantee. You find a good person. Certainly there

02:10:37.380 are bad churches, but I'm saying the likelihood that you, if you want to have a marriage and a family

02:10:42.820 going to church is 100 times, you are more likely to find a life partner, male or female who is going

02:10:50.900 to have similar values. Agree. We don't get divorced. That is a moral. That is evil. That is wrong. We

02:10:56.720 are in this together through better or for worse till death do us part. You go to a bar and meet a

02:11:01.360 woman. Yeah. You're going to get divorced. You meet a woman in church. Like you said, with praying

02:11:05.620 substantially, substantially less likely video. Shana was saying that I did his unusual suspects down at

02:11:10.640 Valuetainment. And he was like, but what do you do? Do you like, you believe in God? Like how long

02:11:14.160 you believe in God over there? Like how do you hit on someone at church? But I understand what you

02:11:18.300 mean. By the way, Sunday morning, you said return with a V that's the name of the site. We just

02:11:23.220 founded it. It's return with a V R E T V R N. I don't like dot U S. This is where people can go

02:11:29.320 and meet other serious young people. This is all we taught. I interviewed 170 young women all between last

02:11:38.240 summer and fall. And again, none of these are perfect people, but they're all for the most

02:11:44.420 part thin Christian. A lot of them are recent reverts. They're not like they've been living

02:11:49.580 their lives in church and all they say, they say the same thing. They reflect the same desiderata for

02:11:54.120 male. You want, if possible, six feet and six figures, the dating apps. Six, six, six, baby. Six

02:12:00.160 pack abs, six foot tall. But here's the thing. But here's the thing. They want men who are,

02:12:06.100 they're slightly more giving on this. They want men who are virgins or low body count,

02:12:09.880 just as the other way around. And we pair them on R E T V R N dot us. We pair them with someone

02:12:17.040 that nature should do before social media fucked it all up. Assortative pairing.

02:12:22.320 I have two anecdotal stories for you. First one is the, I agree with you, first of all,

02:12:27.880 but I also disagree. I'm on both sides of this. My daughter met her husband at church.

02:12:32.940 Okay. So she just got married. She's 25 and she just got married in August. And so, and exactly

02:12:38.880 the way that he's, you guys are describing. Great. I met my wife at a gig that I was playing. It was

02:12:45.660 at a bar and it was the place that you're not supposed to meet high quality women. And you're

02:12:49.760 not supposed to, you know, not supposed to, you know, you're never, you're going to, you're going

02:12:53.720 to get divorced. Well, here I am 27 and a half years later, my daughter is now married and looks

02:12:59.220 like we're doing pretty well for ourselves. So again, it's possible. I'm not saying it helps

02:13:04.800 that my, my wife and I are on the same wavelength, you know, spiritually and, and life-wise and

02:13:08.900 everything else. So, I mean, that's, can it happen? Yes, I'm sure it has happened. Will it happen

02:13:14.200 again for other people? I don't know going forward, but I do know this is that it can happen in both

02:13:19.220 situations. A lot of Christianity has been infiltrated by feminism, particularly the Roman

02:13:23.580 Catholic church, which is ironic because we have no divorce. And a lot of these Christians don't

02:13:29.520 pray the seven minutes together per day. Tell them to do so. If you want to guarantee with 1151,

02:13:35.180 1150 seconds that they won't. I want to say this as a matter of fact, not opinion. There is a strong

02:13:42.620 likelihood, a strong correlation between a church attendance and higher rates of happiness,

02:13:46.880 just based on all of the ancillary factors around what it is. I don't go to church. A lot of people

02:13:52.860 who work here do go to church and that's, that's, you know, and, and it's a big deal.

02:13:57.620 But it's not so much about faith for, there is a component of having faith and, and, and

02:14:02.160 having higher rates of happiness. It is quite literally just community, communal bond, people

02:14:08.780 who are there for you. I'm not saying that by walking into a church and praying, you feel happier.

02:14:12.940 I'm saying when you're around people who can support you, you'll feel happier. When you're around

02:14:16.840 people who can help you with moving, you're happier. When you have community, you are happier.

02:14:21.080 Right. You meet like my, like-minded people. You will be happier. There's a strong correlation.

02:14:24.920 So I don't need to say church. I say that because it's a traditional thing in this country that

02:14:28.980 people used to do and we lost. It could literally be anything where people come together on a regular

02:14:33.240 basis to share ideas and be together and have community. Then when someone's like, so if you're

02:14:42.000 really sad, if you're depressed, maybe you lost your job, maybe you lost a family member, but you have

02:14:47.840 something you consistently do like going to church and you show up, people are like, Ian's looking

02:14:51.800 pretty sad. Once I, Ian, are you all right? And you'd be like, my cousin, man. And they're going to,

02:14:57.300 they're going to, you're going to have people around you. They're going to hug you. They're

02:14:59.440 going to take care of you. That is increasing your rate of support and happiness. We right now don't

02:15:04.900 have it because people just lock themselves in their house. It's also the prayer. There's something

02:15:08.520 about like really focusing on a similar concept together that is very bonding. And I think what you said,

02:15:14.040 you met your wife at a bar playing music. That's the kind of prayer I find playing music is that

02:15:19.160 vibration. Like it is certainly like an electromagnetic resonance in your brain that

02:15:24.260 probably stimulates something similar to thinking and speaking. I've met my bar, my wife at a bar

02:15:29.080 playing, playing, I was playing music. So yeah, let me make it real quick on, on your, one of the

02:15:34.640 things about happiness is it's very hard to quantify happiness. Whenever people say, oh, these people are

02:15:39.220 happier, childless women are happier than, than women who have children. Right. I've seen articles like

02:15:43.980 that. I've seen the opposite too. I think when we use happiness, happiness is like the, the carrot

02:15:48.600 on the end of the stick. Happiness is a proximate goal. It is not an ultimate goal. So when we say,

02:15:55.100 well, are you happy in your marriage? Well, we're happy when we're doing something. Happiness is an

02:16:00.160 emotion. It's what we feel when we have something, we're doing something that is intrinsically rewarding.

02:16:04.440 It's moving us from one state to another. Same thing with depression, same thing with anxiety,

02:16:08.540 and even negative, negative emotions are easier to sort of like, you know, sort of categorize here.

02:16:12.840 But essentially what it's doing is saying, well, in happiness, you're doing this thing. You find

02:16:17.260 something intrinsically playing guitar, find that intrinsically rewarding. You'll keep doing that

02:16:22.380 because the act of actually playing guitar or whatever it is that makes you happy, that feeling

02:16:27.320 is going to drive you from one state to another state. That's why I get really bent out of shape

02:16:32.480 when people go, well, you know, married people are happier. This person is happier. This person who

02:16:36.380 does this is happier. It's like, no, that is just the carrot at the end of the stick. Because what you're

02:16:40.740 doing is you're saying that happiness is an ultimate goal. It is not an ultimate goal.

02:16:44.940 Happiness is what you're feeling.

02:16:46.700 It's by definition.

02:16:47.480 It's by doing. And that's why when he was saying like, when you go to church, you feel happiness.

02:16:52.000 Yes, 100% agree.

02:16:53.580 You're talking about happiness as pleasure.

02:16:55.740 No, what you're saying is contentment.

02:16:57.900 No, not even pleasure, but I'm saying contentment. It's we've been, you want to know why there's an

02:17:03.800 astronomical amount of women who are being prescribed SSRIs and antidepressants right now

02:17:09.580 is because we've sold them on this idea that happiness is this achievable, maintainable goal

02:17:14.960 state. You'll never be depressed. You'll never be pissed off. You'll never feel anxiety. You're

02:17:19.280 always going to be happy, happy all the fucking time. And if we can, by the way, nothing sells

02:17:25.200 better than a sustained idea that happiness is something that you could keep going. It's not

02:17:29.920 because it's something that you feel in the doing. Western civilization. I mean, before

02:17:34.880 Christianity, I'm talking to Aristotle, the one who looms over all of Western civilization

02:17:41.000 says precisely the opposite. Western civilization was built on eudaimonia, a Greek concept for

02:17:46.500 a moral happiness that is by definition, the telos, the goal, the purpose of human beings,

02:17:52.260 the human state. It's not pleasure. Pleasure is the test for whether or not you've attained

02:17:56.900 to virtue. Happiness is literally, when we talk about it in its moral status, the purpose

02:18:02.620 of human being. And this is before Christianity, this is onboarded by Christianity. It's the

02:18:08.680 purpose. So you're talking about pleasure, Rollo. We're talking about true and moral happiness.

02:18:12.840 No, no, no. There is the fleeting and there is the stable. There is the, I experience hardship

02:18:19.340 in my day, but I am fulfilled. I am happy.

02:18:21.840 Yeah, fulfillment. Happiness and fulfillment are different.

02:18:23.600 I see it as both being right. The idea I think you're bringing up is that even in our darkest

02:18:28.340 days, we have a moral, we have a logical understanding of, like, there's no point at

02:18:35.100 which someone is just always happy. They step on a nail. They're not going to be like, this

02:18:38.420 is great. They're going to be like, ah, what's wrong? It's the worst day ever. But they are

02:18:42.300 of sound logic mind to say, look, my life is generally good. I can't let this stepping on

02:18:46.680 a nail get me down today.

02:18:47.900 But see, the test is, for Aristotle, yeah, bad things happen. Bad shit happens. But for

02:18:53.700 Aristotle, and the West, until, like, they deliberately ripped Aristotle out of the universities

02:19:00.020 in the 1700s and 1800s, it's called the purpose test. Something that serves its function will

02:19:09.180 be happy. So if wrenches were capable of being happy or not, a wrench that is doing its function

02:19:14.800 the best would be the happiest wrench. And human beings, this is fundamentally where there's

02:19:20.260 a lot of agreement between what Rolo's saying and what I'm saying. Fundamentally, human beings

02:19:25.220 have a goal or a purpose. We have an ergon, which is how we get to that telos. And the telos

02:19:31.640 is our purpose. We will be happy when we're doing as male human beings what we were put here

02:19:36.740 to do, or as female human beings what we were put here to do. This is before, 300 years

02:19:40.980 before Christianity. I'm going to say one more thing, and then we'll do, I'll give my final

02:19:45.000 thought, and then we'll go around for everybody else's. I want to give a shout out to Andrew

02:19:47.880 Tate for something he said. I don't listen to a lot of Andrew Tate ever, but I saw this clip where

02:19:52.620 he said, whether I'm happy or sad does not matter. If I wake up and I am sad, it does not matter.

02:19:58.620 What matters is that I do my job. Whether I'm happy or sad, I'm going to do my job. And I'm

02:20:05.040 paraphrasing the general quote, but that resonated with me. If I wake up and I'm not feeling well,

02:20:09.540 it doesn't matter. I have a job to do, whether I'm happy or upset or whatever, I have to do the

02:20:13.960 best that I can do. And so I think that's an important thing to understand. When you wake up,

02:20:20.100 when you experience hardship, you can choose to give up or keep going in the face of that hardship.

02:20:25.520 And perseverance is the number one factor in success. So we'll throw it to you guys for final

02:20:30.020 thoughts on all this as we wind things up. I don't know who wants to go first.

02:20:32.800 I'll just go real quickly here. As far as like happiness is concerned or sadness or anything else,

02:20:37.940 those are human emotions. I can change your emotion by changing your biochemistry right

02:20:42.000 now. They're not magic. There's not something that pixie does from like outer space or some

02:20:45.520 shit like that. I can shoot you up with what, uh, you know, 200 milligrams of, of trend and you're

02:20:51.100 going to feel different. It's going to alter your mood. Okay. So it's not, I think really what it

02:20:56.860 comes down to is the differences is the emotions that we feel as human beings, like whether it's

02:21:01.560 instinct, emotion, and reason. When we're looking at the, uh, we're looking at the emotional set of

02:21:06.300 things. We have those as human beings as part of our innate nature to move us from one state to

02:21:11.360 another. So when like Andrew Tate says something like, you know, uh, was it a depression doesn't

02:21:15.940 really exist. No, it exists, but you just don't understand the nature of that depression.

02:21:20.020 It's meant to move you from one state. That's untenable for you to another state that is tenable

02:21:25.260 for you. Same thing with happiness. Your purpose can be found in what it is that is making you happy.

02:21:31.160 Okay. So if your purpose is to play guitar and guitar makes you feel happy while you are doing

02:21:36.200 it, well, guess what? You just found your purpose, right? Guess what? Now you want, you want to paint

02:21:40.180 the Sistine chapel. Great. Awesome. You feel good when you're doing that. You feel bad when you're

02:21:45.420 not doing those things or when you're, when you're limited and restrained from doing those things.

02:21:49.160 That's great. The human condition is defined by discontent, not by content. If anybody, if you get the,

02:21:54.720 the new, the new, uh, you, you get your new degree, you get the new job, you get the new wife,

02:22:00.240 you'll be, I'll be happy once I get these things. And then once you get those things, you're like,

02:22:04.980 fuck, where's the next, where's the next plateau? Where's the next, where's the next part of the

02:22:08.840 mountain that I need to climb to? That's the whole point of being happy. That's the whole point that

02:22:13.040 there's nothing wrong with being discontent. In fact, discontent is a feature, not a bug of human

02:22:17.480 nature. That's what keeps us going. That's why we're the predominant species on this planet is

02:22:21.780 because we're always, we're always discontent in a good way. You can manage that discontent either

02:22:28.140 destructively or constructively. So when you're doing it constructively, you're building things,

02:22:33.100 you're me, it's pro-social when you're doing it destructively, it's anti-social. So anyways,

02:22:38.500 that's what I got to say. I mean, that's a good conception of what we call the hedonic treadmill

02:22:44.300 where, where pleasure is taken to be happiness. But I would, I would seek to speak to all the young

02:22:49.860 men out there and I would just say, look, we need, most of you are in some sense apostatized

02:22:56.520 Christians and therein lies the way, but, but take it back a few hundred more years.

02:23:03.340 Aristotle, the master of those who know, has given us the playbook this 300 years before

02:23:09.920 even Christianity in a book called the Nicomachean Ethics. True happiness is attainable.

02:23:16.240 It's the function argument. It's when you are doing what you were put here to do. And that's

02:23:23.400 a different goal for men and women for, for men. This means the public life. This means activity

02:23:29.060 expression for females, for women. It means the home life, domesticity. It means receptivity, support,

02:23:39.420 passivity in, in large ways. And Aristotle's function argument dictates that sure, with all the,

02:23:46.240 the cissitudes of life, the waves that come, that crash on you, you can make your day feel shitty.

02:23:51.660 You can't control everything. That's pleasure. We're talking that, and that's just a mood or a

02:23:56.820 disposition, as Aristotle says, book two of the ethics. What's deeper is your habit and forming

02:24:03.400 your character with morality and the manly virtues. And quite simply, young men out there can still

02:24:10.540 achieve happiness through all of this shit, through, through the porn addictions, through the, you know,

02:24:17.280 the pitfalls out there. There's eye candy. The second we step out that door, premarital sex and all

02:24:23.100 the fornication, it's all a trap for you. So you could still do it. Just avoid all those pitfalls

02:24:30.700 and look where you're supposed to look. Serve your function best. It's very different for men and women.

02:24:36.300 It's still very attainable and it's attainable in altogether natural forms.

02:24:42.280 Yeah. I, I, I see happiness and fulfillment. We may be having slightly different definitions for

02:24:47.480 the same words, which is ultimately, you know, why we talk about what those words mean with each

02:24:50.940 other. But like happiness is like, I, I see it as like, oh, I beat the video game. I'm, I'm hanging

02:24:56.160 out with my friends. I'm laughing. I'm so happy. Then the game turns off. I'm like, where are my kids?

02:24:59.560 What am I doing with my life? I have not reached fulfillment, even though I experienced bouts of

02:25:03.520 happiness in the moment, but that's just how I define it. So I don't know, but I think there's

02:25:06.680 differences between spiritual fulfillment and emotional happiness. They seem very different

02:25:11.280 and they can co they can coexist and they should coexist. I think ideally, but they're not the

02:25:15.960 same thing. So, so, you know, short-term pleasure ain't always the way. And I'm just happy we did

02:25:20.080 this, man. I wish the show was longer. This is really great. Gentlemen, this has been a whole lot

02:25:23.040 of fun. So everybody who's watching, make sure you subscribe to tenant media, smash that like

02:25:27.140 button, share the show. If you, if you liked it, uh, do you guys want to shout anything out

02:25:30.880 before we wrap up? Yeah, sure. Uh, just, uh, the rational mail.com. That's my blog. That's where

02:25:34.520 I do a lot of my writing. I'm also on sub stack. You can look me up there. Um, I also am the

02:25:38.900 co-host of access Vegas. Uh, we do it every Thursday night. Uh, it's a panel show with a lot

02:25:43.860 of girls. Um, and then I also have my show, which is the rational mail every Sunday at 1 PM Pacific,

02:25:49.400 4 PM Eastern. Yeah. Thanks again. This has been a lot of fun. I think very, very constructive,

02:25:54.840 uh, the, the matchmaking site that's producing engagements left and right is, uh, return.us

02:26:01.800 R E T V R N.us. I'm on YouTube. I do a three times a week show at Timothy Gordon. The show's

02:26:08.320 called rules for retrogrades. My book is the case for patriarchy. Everything I was talking

02:26:13.080 about today, stats included is there in the case for patriarchy. My wife has a book called

02:26:17.980 ask your husband. And that one has so far outsold mine for whatever that's worth. Um, also

02:26:24.760 we're going to be releasing a documentary this fall called what a woman is, which, uh, sounds

02:26:31.660 like a sequel, but it's not, it's an original that that is as italicized, what a woman is

02:26:36.240 about true intersexuality and the function argument, the way that men and women were truly designed

02:26:42.000 to be with each other and to make one another happy. As long as a man doesn't act like a

02:26:46.760 chick and a chick doesn't act like a dude. I love your solution oriented mindset, man.

02:26:51.040 Thanks. Thanks. I appreciate you. Oh, follow me at Ian Crossland. I guess if you

02:26:54.600 want to, no, no, do it. Uh, we'll see you tonight on a Timcast IRL 8 PM Eastern standard

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - March 22, 2024

The Culture War #56 The Death Of Western Man & His Revival w⧸ Rollo Tomassi & Tim Gordon

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