The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #57 Abolish The Police Or Back The Blue w⧸ Christian Fenico & Alfredo Luna

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00:00:30.940 So I saw some profound wisdom written on a building once. And, you know, I thought to

00:00:36.880 myself, wow, the person who wrote this must be a great philosopher. They wrote, all cops are

00:00:41.360 bastards. And I'm like, what a truly profound thought that must be for them to come up with

00:00:46.520 such an idea. But we've been talking a lot about police on the show. And now with yesterday,

00:00:51.320 Donald Trump going to the wake of a fallen officer, while Joe Biden went and partied instead. You also

00:00:55.740 have the spike in crime in New York City, which they deny is happening, but women are now getting

00:00:59.260 punched in the face. People are getting pushed in front of subway trains. And there was recently a

00:01:03.360 guy who got shot in the head. I mean, that was the guy who did it, apparently got the gun from the

00:01:08.080 other guy. And then it was self-defense. So, you know, this has been going on for quite some time

00:01:12.660 over the past several years with debates about policing in general in the United States.

00:01:16.280 And while, you know, typically I've been of the position that the institution of policing

00:01:21.100 is good and necessary, we do have an issue right now with, say, like the Capitol Police

00:01:25.220 hunting down, you know, grannies and bumbling fools who, you know, walked into the wrong side

00:01:29.860 of a building. And we can certainly understand rioting is bad and you should be criminally

00:01:33.520 charged for that. But there are a lot of people who on January 6th didn't cross any barricades,

00:01:38.320 walked onto public grounds with no signs. In some instances were even fanned in by the cops.

00:01:43.040 In one instance, there's a video of one of these J6ers asking the police if they need help and how

00:01:48.260 they can help get control of these things. Well, for doing that, that man is now in prison.

00:01:53.720 So the question is abolishing the police, backing the blue, where we are on police,

00:01:59.280 what's it like to be a police officer? And we've got a couple of gentlemen joining us to talk about

00:02:03.020 this. So I don't know which one of you guys would like to introduce yourself first.

00:02:06.760 Hi, well, thanks for having me, Tim. My name is Christian Finico. I was a wrongfully terminated

00:02:12.140 Philadelphia police officer. I got my job back after falsely being accused of racist Facebook

00:02:17.760 posts. Yeah, well, hold on. The posts were not only, they weren't racist. We went through

00:02:24.420 arbitration. The arbitrator was nothing racist. And they're also found to be edited by an anti-cop

00:02:29.700 group who did the screenshots, leaking them to the city. So, and the city did absolutely nothing to

00:02:37.520 authenticate the post. They actually didn't even use their social media investigators. And it was

00:02:42.700 actually thanks to the social media investigators stepping up and saying, no, these need to be

00:02:46.880 authenticated. And they are in fact edited. So there's a, there's a lot, but that's, they were

00:02:52.280 two of the big strikes. Wow. Well, it should be fun. We got to wrap to hear that story in greater detail.

00:02:57.040 Yeah. The name is Alfredo Luna, uh, 14 years as a cop, Southern California, wrongfully terminated,

00:03:01.940 still in the fight for that job. And then got a visit from the FBI, January 15th of 2021 for January

00:03:07.640 six. Wow. Even though I wasn't at January six, they said J six was a triggering event. And my

00:03:13.620 social media tweets said, I wanted to disrupt the inauguration according to them. Cause there's no

00:03:17.540 evidence to support that. So two guys who want to be cops, but would agree that all cops are bad,

00:03:21.620 right? Phil's hanging out too. Hello everybody. My name is Philip Monti. I'm the lead singer of the

00:03:26.680 heavy metal band. All that remains anti-communist revolutionary. You guys know me. Well,

00:03:31.080 so let's, let's start from the beginning, I guess. I mean, it sounds like, well, you know,

00:03:34.980 you said you're, you're still fighting for your job. What happened there? So we can get some

00:03:38.240 context. Uh, we had a change of leadership. Um, we ended up picking a chief Travis Walker,

00:03:41.980 who was terminated a few months after they terminated me. Um, he was the captain of the

00:03:47.180 San Bernardino, uh, squad team when they had the terrorist attack, San Bernardino. He comes over,

00:03:51.660 he wants me to write a warrant that is almost borderline illegal. Uh, I refuse to do it. So I write

00:03:57.420 the warrant as it is, which there was no probable cause started a chain reaction.

00:04:01.080 Put a target on my back. He ultimately ends up, uh, terminating me. Uh, they brought four

00:04:05.700 allegations against me, which I won in arbitration. Um, but we're still waiting to figure that all

00:04:10.700 out. See, yeah, this is, this is, this is the big challenge. And, you know, over the past several

00:04:15.200 years, especially with the George Floyd riots, you know, you had the left saying in mass abolish

00:04:20.040 the police or defund the place at least. And, you know, we hear we're like, this is ridiculous.

00:04:24.460 You know, uh, you live in a big city. Now you can see where this has gone with the releasing of

00:04:29.580 criminals and the defunding of police. But then you, you have now, what I'm seeing is

00:04:34.980 cops like yourself, cops, like they, they, they stripped you of your job. Like they, they're trying

00:04:41.300 to get rid of the cops that are actually going to do their jobs, right. Say not making a bunk

00:04:47.020 warrant and replace them with communists or cowards, but they're synonymous, I guess.

00:04:53.720 So I just want to go ahead and throw this out here right away. Like I was under the impression

00:04:57.840 that today the conversation was going to be a little more argumentative, but it sounds like

00:05:02.200 we're going to be me and Tim were like, we're probably going to agree on 70, 80% with these

00:05:05.920 guys. Cause we, we think that the cops need a little more scrutiny because of cases like

00:05:11.020 yourselves. And so I thought that we were getting two police officers that were still actively

00:05:14.540 working and that didn't have a gripe. So this is probably gonna be like 95%.

00:05:19.320 So I am still, I technically am still.

00:05:21.600 Yeah. Yeah. So that's where the 5%.

00:05:23.200 But you know, so just heads up, like I was, like I was expecting a little more of something

00:05:29.600 that would be argumentative and I don't want, you know, viewers to think, oh, you know,

00:05:32.900 they're just trying to, like, I was thinking this was going to be different. It's going to be

00:05:35.720 fun though. I'm just going to dunk on the government. It's going to be great.

00:05:38.420 I hate the, there are bad apples argument. I don't agree with that. I mean, it's, it's obviously

00:05:43.320 true that there are good people and bad people. Police are no exception to someone being good

00:05:47.400 or bad. The issue that I've brought up, many people have said that it's the exception, not

00:05:52.600 the rule or whatever. The issue I've brought up is the broad institution and human behaviors.

00:05:57.840 So typically a human will defend themselves, their friends, their family, or their community

00:06:02.980 before strangers. And that seems to make sense to everybody. I mean, look, if, if there's

00:06:07.520 a fire and your family's there, are you going to run and save a stranger? You're going to

00:06:10.520 save your family. There's no question. You know, if Spider-Man is dangling from a rope

00:06:14.400 and there's a stranger and Mary Jane, he famously, well, he tries to save them both and the movies

00:06:18.120 he's allowed to. But so the issue then becomes a variety of things and we can, we can tackle

00:06:23.080 each and every, any one of these where if it comes down to authoritarian tactics, when it

00:06:30.480 comes down to like your story, for instance, where the far left fabricates posts to get you

00:06:36.140 fired. The reason they don't authenticate it is because the guy who's working higher up is

00:06:40.140 like, I am not sticking my neck out for this guy. Don't know. Don't care. I got to protect

00:06:44.700 myself. They're going to come at me. If I don't do something.

00:06:48.460 I would, I would actually disagree with that because the guy that's high up, I mean, so

00:06:52.500 you have the commissioner of course, but this was more of the mayors doing mayor Kenny, who

00:06:57.420 was arguably the worst mayor in the city of Philadelphia of all time. Um, what happened

00:07:02.640 was there was, they released this on eight different cities. It was Philly. I want to say

00:07:06.680 Phoenix. I want to say St. Louis Philly overreacted more than anything without any form of due

00:07:12.200 process. And a lot had to do with the mayor and it was an election year. The mayor is not

00:07:16.700 a fan of cops. I mean, he's, he's actually a lot of Italians were fired in Philadelphia

00:07:22.340 and the mayor has been on record referring to Italians as cousin guidos. So, I mean, I mean,

00:07:27.620 if he was a friend, I'd probably laugh at that, but I mean, that gives you an idea. So again,

00:07:32.380 it's an election year. He wants to gain favor and he was actually on the news while the beginning

00:07:36.900 of this investigation, 328 cops were investigated for this in Philadelphia, 328, 72 lost their

00:07:43.900 guns and were benched. 15 were fired. And I mean, like, so 328 totally got punished. But

00:07:50.220 the problem was he was actually Fox affiliate in Philly actually said to him doing an interview

00:07:55.600 to the mayor, you know, how do you want to handle this? He's like gone. I want them all

00:08:00.320 gone. And the guy was like, all of them, this is during the beginning phases of an

00:08:04.760 investigation. Okay. And he turns around, I want them all gone. The reporter gave him kind

00:08:09.000 of gave him like a, Hey, all of them. He's like, all of them. It's just a matter of how

00:08:13.120 we do it. And I'm like, or we just have an investigation and let the pieces fall where

00:08:17.280 they may. Yeah. So, well, so I agree with you actually. It's, it's, this is, this is what

00:08:22.200 I mean about human nature. This is a guy who wants something. He doesn't care about you.

00:08:25.440 He doesn't know you. He doesn't care about any of the other people that he's, he's throwing

00:08:28.660 under the bus or destroying for personal gain. This is what comes with the fragmentation,

00:08:33.320 the fracturing of culture and no longer having to fear your neighbors for being shunned or

00:08:38.420 ostracized. So the broad picture is we have seen throughout history, whenever a government

00:08:43.900 becomes totalitarian, the, the, the people in military national guard armed forces typically

00:08:50.000 just say, I'd rather be on the side of the guys with guns than the people being shot at.

00:08:54.220 And so if you look at Venezuela, for instance, how do you have a nation where everyone's

00:08:57.660 poor, but the national guard is willing to shoot and gun down students like 20 year olds

00:09:01.580 in the street. It's because these people are told, do you want to be starving and shot at,

00:09:06.560 or do you want to be the one with the gun protected and well-fed by the government? So that's a broad

00:09:11.200 catch of the dangers of institutions, no matter what the dangers of, you know, I don't, I don't know

00:09:17.040 if there's anything around that, but then we end up with, uh, uh, stories that we've talked

00:09:22.020 about where Luke Rutkowski, for instance, uh, interviewed a guy who was on the New York subway

00:09:27.280 when a man started stabbing people and the police refused to stop him. So he intervened

00:09:32.720 and got stabbed several times. There was some lawsuit where the courts ruled the police have

00:09:36.880 no obligation to actually intervene to save anyone. And it was only after the guy was subdued

00:09:41.900 by a bystander, the police came in to arrest him. So what I see here in New York, we'll start

00:09:48.440 with New York is what I describe as a negative pressure environment where Daniel Penny, for

00:09:53.860 instance, he's on a subway train, a guy's threatening to kill people. A woman even says

00:09:58.620 Daniel Penny saved our lives, but the cops come and they arrest Daniel Penny. Then you have criminals

00:10:03.780 like the far left in Antifa who will smash windows. They'll attack people. They'll, they'll beat people

00:10:08.660 in the street. And when the cops show up, these people resist and then the cops don't arrest them.

00:10:13.480 Not every single cop is going to do this. A lot of cops, of course, are going to try and stop

00:10:16.240 the criminals. But the issue is negative pressure. If Daniel Penny, a good guy, a good Samaritan

00:10:20.600 is willing to stand there calmly and peacefully and place hands behind his back, he will be

00:10:24.720 arrested. Antifa who's going to resist will get away. It's just attrition. So I've often cited in

00:10:31.560 New York during Gavin McGinnis, he was giving a speech. Antifa antagonizes the, the, the guests

00:10:36.680 who are there threatening them. Some of the proud boys come out and say, okay, fine. I guess there's a

00:10:40.420 fight on our hands and it's mutual combat. When the police show up, the proud boys say, here's what

00:10:44.880 they were doing to us. Here's what ended up happening. Antifa says, screw you. And runs

00:10:49.420 away. The police then say, okay, arrest the proud boys and put them in prison. The proud boys were

00:10:53.840 the victims. They were being harassed and antagonized by a gang. And the cops had no problem putting the

00:10:59.220 victims in prison. That's that, that's the initial problem I see. And I don't know if you guys want

00:11:05.120 to explain what it's like to be cops and how you'd handle these things and where we're at.

00:11:08.060 The issue with this is, and you look at my story, the first part of it's perfect example.

00:11:12.740 When you have cops that are going to say no to doing the wrong thing, they're going to

00:11:17.280 find themselves in either some punishment or termination. And those stories don't make the

00:11:22.320 headlines. Nobody's there to fight for you. You lose your home. You, you, you lose everything

00:11:26.920 doing the right thing and the public doesn't know. So this is where you have to have a relationship

00:11:33.100 between the law enforcement officers that are going to do the right thing and the community

00:11:36.720 that's going to be willing to support them when they do do the right thing. Because if cops see,

00:11:41.660 and, and granted, they should just do the right thing, regardless of what the consequence

00:11:44.840 is going to be like. But if they also see that, Hey, yeah, I'm going to lose my job,

00:11:49.340 but in the fight to get my job back, the community is going to make sure my family's not homeless.

00:11:54.240 We have food on the table. You're going to see people that are willing to take this,

00:11:58.040 but it's the issue we see with whistleblowers. Why don't we have more whistleblowers? Because

00:12:01.760 we see that the whistleblowers that do come out, they get hung to dry. They make the headlines

00:12:05.200 for a few months and then everybody forgets about it.

00:12:07.140 So you're seeing it now in DC whistleblowers come out and then they're all of a sudden they're

00:12:12.380 getting like, they're the bad guy or something like that, which is, is a deliberate attempt to

00:12:17.260 silence future whistleblowers. That's all that is.

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00:13:40.220 Visit connects Ontario.ca for lack of a better term, like a, a high kind of notion of police

00:13:48.240 officers. And you're like, I want to do the good thing, right? You're buying into the narrative.

00:13:51.500 You're like, I want to be a good cop. I want to serve my community. I want to go and do the right

00:13:56.000 thing. If you're that kind of guy, and then they're like, well, you got to do this. And you're

00:14:00.280 like, well, yeah, but this isn't the guy, you know, this is, this is wrong. This is either whatever it

00:14:04.560 may be, whether it be a warrant or there, you know, you cops aren't supposed to, to pick people

00:14:09.440 up for protesting or whatever it may be. And, and you push back all the incentives are to get you out

00:14:15.580 of there and get someone, someone in that's going to obey. And that is, that's a significant problem

00:14:20.680 because that's getting literally getting the good guys out and putting the bad guys in. One thing

00:14:25.240 that I've been talking about since COVID and since the George Floyd incident is how damaging the ACAB

00:14:31.100 sentiment is. You can be critical of police officers that do things that are bad, but the whole ACAB

00:14:37.640 thing makes whole communities turn against police because, because the people that are loud and upset

00:14:43.940 are the ones that have had bad interactions. So they're the ones that are going to complain.

00:14:47.040 The people that have had good interactions, they really don't end up standing up because

00:14:51.300 they get shouted down or they get called, you know, you know, you're a snitch or whatever,

00:14:55.120 because they're like, no, we need cops. And so they don't say much. And this becomes a, a,

00:14:59.080 a self-fulfilling prophecy where you get bad cops in areas that are bad because the good cops are like

00:15:03.740 nobody, you know, I get crapped on and, and whoops stuff when I go and actually try to help. It's,

00:15:08.740 it's just a downward spiral. We see this with, uh, online reviews for businesses. I knew a guy who

00:15:15.500 went to burger joint and he's like, it's a nightmare, dude. You make the best burger in

00:15:19.720 the world. They say, thank you. And they leave. You forget the pickles one time, negative review,

00:15:24.260 one star, the worst place I've ever been to. So he's like, how do you get the good reviews?

00:15:29.200 It's impossible. There's two things going on that can fix this. One of them reasonable.

00:15:34.980 One might seem drastic around 2008, 2009 on the West coast. I don't know how you'll feel about this

00:15:39.960 on the East coast. An issue that I saw is, was in the hiring process. Law enforcement started to

00:15:45.020 shift to hiring guys that were going to be on paper, less of a liability. So there was this push

00:15:50.480 towards guys with degrees and, and, and, and, you know, a lot of, and, and, and, and I'm not,

00:15:56.420 hold on, I have a degree. And I can say it does absolutely nothing for me. And, you know,

00:16:01.960 I'm not knocking on, on the, on the education. It is important. But when you had the guys that,

00:16:06.840 you know, went to high school, went to college and then get hired, you know, at 24, 25 in law

00:16:10.540 enforcement, there wasn't a lot of life experience there. And it was, you know, taught what to think,

00:16:15.060 you know, a lot of liberal mindset. And all of a sudden you started to see a rise in use of force

00:16:19.100 because you moved away from the quote unquote knuckle draggers that used to hire us cops into

00:16:23.940 people that, yeah, they can write Moby Dick on a police report, but out in the field, they just

00:16:28.100 couldn't apply those principles. And it leads to these things that you see on the media, bad shootings,

00:16:32.940 bad use of force. So there needs to be a change in the hiring.

00:16:36.680 And the second thing is, and I learned this is, this is hindsight for me. We need to get rid of

00:16:40.840 every municipality. And I worked for one, every municipality coast to coast and moved to sheriff

00:16:45.300 departments. I love this idea because you're elected, right? Well, police chiefs are, they're

00:16:50.300 typically at will and they're at the discretion of the city council. So city council is dictating that

00:16:54.380 motive. And you know, who's on your city council communists because they'll show up and you go to

00:17:00.360 work. So you don't have jobs. Yeah, that's right. That's literally the truth. Sorry. You move. No,

00:17:05.240 you're good. So you move to all sheriffs. One, people said, what about the good cops? The good

00:17:09.080 cops are going to get absorbed into the sheriff's departments anyways. And you have a leader that's

00:17:12.740 elected by the people. And if he's not doing his job, the people replace them. Then you start to

00:17:16.860 get something of law enforcement. That's going to reflect what the people want. Not going to happen

00:17:20.440 overnight, but at least in the longevity of it, you can actually see progress that way.

00:17:24.520 Yeah, I certainly agree. There have been some instances with bad sheriff departments,

00:17:27.720 obviously, but if the sheriff does bad, he knows he's up for reelection. He's going to have to,

00:17:32.320 he's going to have to play politics. He's going to have to actually listen to the community more

00:17:35.680 so than a police chief who's appointed. No, a hundred percent. A police chief just,

00:17:41.560 it's a politician. I mean, it really isn't a point of politician. I mean, some are good,

00:17:45.720 many are not, but, um, no, I agree a hundred percent. I think sheriff's departments and usually

00:17:50.660 sometimes sheriff's departments wind up representing the communities they're in. So depending upon how,

00:17:55.200 you know, whatever you want to say, blue, the areas versus red versus somewhere in the middle,

00:18:01.280 you may get those kinds of sheriff's departments. I mean, you look down South Florida or, you know,

00:18:05.600 deep in Louisiana or Alabama, those sheriff's departments, I would not want to

00:18:10.060 F around and find out down there.

00:18:12.420 My sheriff in, in, uh, up in New England, in, in, uh, New Hampshire, he's a Democrat,

00:18:17.140 but he's really, uh, he's a good Democrat. Cause he,

00:18:20.960 that's oxymoronic. I, I know what you're saying. He's, he's one of the Democrats that don't mess

00:18:25.680 with the, that, that avoid messing with civil rights. How about that? They don't, they don't

00:18:29.540 tend to, to violate civil rights. So he's a sixties Democrat. Yeah. You know, he's a Democrat.

00:18:34.520 No child sex changes, Democrat. Probably. There was, there was a, a trans anarchist that was

00:18:39.840 running on the Republican ticket. That was cool though. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Wasn't it a

00:18:44.560 Satanist too? Yep. I, I, I, I, I respect that. I do. For those that don't know the story,

00:18:48.960 it was a transgender Satanist anarchist who joined the Republican ticket. It was for sheriff,

00:18:53.800 right? Yep. Sure. And ended up winning the primary, I believe in the primary because

00:18:57.380 people didn't look up anything about the individual. And I, I respect the political

00:19:02.040 point that was made. Now this individual didn't win, but won the primary and a bunch of Republicans

00:19:06.360 were mad. Like, well, I didn't want to vote for that person. You're sure you did. You checked

00:19:09.940 the box. That's on you, man. Bad news is she's, she's sitting, I believe she's about to start

00:19:14.120 a time in prison for a Bitcoin for something about. Oh, there's always something wrong.

00:19:18.360 Yeah. Well, I don't think, I think that it was probably some, I think personally it's

00:19:21.320 bogus. So I think she probably should be let out, but, you know, but that's just neither

00:19:24.640 here nor there. Cause I don't think Bitcoin crimes are actually really crimes. They're

00:19:27.420 just the government being mad at people. It's not real money. It's not going to be

00:19:30.340 a real crime. Well, I mean, I'm fine with that. If it's not a real crime, okay, man, I'm

00:19:35.420 cool. You know, in New York, there was a, in Staten Island during COVID lockdowns, there

00:19:39.200 was a bar that they had these zones where if you're in green zone, you're allowed to be

00:19:44.620 open. If you're in the red zone, you're closed. And like a block from the end

00:19:47.580 of the zone, this bar was, they were in the, they were closed. Uh, New York police

00:19:51.580 refused to enforce against them when they opened their doors. So they brought in state

00:19:56.040 police with smiles on their faces, lined up in front of the business. Now here's the

00:19:59.740 thing. The business said, guys, you know what? You're right. We can't reopen the business.

00:20:05.000 We won't, but we'll open our doors. And anyone who wants to come hang out and have a free

00:20:08.580 beer is welcome to. So they actually let people come in, watch TV and eat and hang out for

00:20:13.260 free. And state police still came and tried to shut them down, lined up in front of the

00:20:17.680 doors. You had in New Jersey, Attila's gym, the local cops, yeah, they refuse to enforce.

00:20:24.260 So they bring in cops from a different city. And so this, this, this is, I think this is

00:20:28.880 a challenge we face in it's the, the big issue is that this country does not have a unified

00:20:33.880 culture anymore. And so a cop from one town over can be like, there's, I could do all the

00:20:39.480 wrong in the world and I will never be held accountable because I don't live there. So that's

00:20:43.620 true for the state troopers. That's true for the cops who shut down Attila's gym.

00:20:45.960 I think the book ordinary men should be required reading.

00:20:48.820 That'd be great.

00:20:49.580 If you're a cop. And I think that's a book where, uh, I think you say it sometimes it's

00:20:54.020 slowly, slowly, then all of a sudden, you know, for ordinary men was a book about, uh, I believe

00:20:59.140 it was the, um, Hamburg one-on-one police during the late thirties or forties. They were just

00:21:05.460 regular ordinary cops. And what they did was, Hey, we're going to need you to just escort these

00:21:10.540 Jewish people from their homes. And then it was, Hey, can you just put them on these

00:21:14.640 trains and Hey, can you just, um, take them into there? I need you to dig a pit and shoot

00:21:19.580 them. And, you know, I mean, there's a lot more in it, but, but you read the book and

00:21:23.780 it was slowly, slowly, then all of a sudden. And, you know, that's, that's how things like

00:21:28.280 this happen. I'm not saying this is happening here yet, hopefully, but the point that you're

00:21:32.780 making about, you know, about people that miss the point of their job, essentially, when

00:21:38.580 you're a public servant, like a police officer, you're the point of your job is, is really,

00:21:45.500 it's not to collect, you know, pardon tickets. They got, they got pardon for enforcement for

00:21:50.340 that. You know, it's not to, it's not to hand out tickets because people were speeding.

00:21:54.000 Honestly, I understand there is a certain amount of, we want to have speed limits and safety and

00:21:58.480 make those, make those arguments and stuff. But police officers aren't signing up because

00:22:02.340 they're like, man, I'm going to make sure nobody drives 80 ever again. You know, I'm

00:22:06.400 going to fix this problem. It's like, they want to do things. If they, if they, if they're

00:22:10.040 signing up for virtuous reasons, if they're signing up because they want the job as opposed

00:22:14.340 to a job, they're doing it because they want to help.

00:22:17.740 That's the way to say it too. Yeah. The job, not a job.

00:22:20.500 Have you seen that video game? It's like police simulator or something. Literally pulling people

00:22:25.080 over and giving them speeding tickets. I can't even believe it. I think, I think it

00:22:28.000 is a little bit more than that, but they have these games like firefighter simulator,

00:22:31.460 farming simulator. That's literally what it is. And it's like, you can go, you can probably

00:22:36.260 go get like real criminals, but, or you can sit on the side of the road and pull people

00:22:39.320 over. It's just like when you go in, in a Warcraft, when you go and you just kill rabbits

00:22:43.660 to get one piece of gold or whatever, you're just farming. Rabbit fur. Yeah. I used to get

00:22:47.840 that. You'll get, you'll probably get a kick out. I was in the guys who I work with down

00:22:50.940 when I was in South Philly and patrol. I never even carried a ticket book. I didn't carry

00:22:55.440 long because I wasn't, I wasn't, don't get me wrong. I mean, there were, if I ever went

00:22:59.140 over to radio and say, Hey, can someone bring a TVR book over here? And they were like, man,

00:23:02.300 he must've really did something wrong. I literally said one thing. The last ticket I wrote, I mean,

00:23:09.580 I was, I was in SWAT at the time, which is the last thing you want to write a ticket. We're

00:23:13.640 driving and literally car goes through a red light. Special weapons and tickets. Special weapons

00:23:18.400 and tickets. So my partner's driving. He had to lock up the brakes and we have big trucks

00:23:23.940 to a lot of gear in it. So we lock up the brakes. This woman goes right through a red light,

00:23:27.340 whatever. We go up to her and it's not even going to be the riot act. It's like, yo, you

00:23:31.220 got to be careful. I didn't go through the ticket. I didn't go through the light. It's

00:23:34.320 like, man, listen, you went through the light. It's not that big of a deal. You have all your

00:23:38.340 information. You'll be on your way. I didn't go through the light. And I said, all right,

00:23:41.520 here's what we're going to do. I'm going to start.

00:23:43.940 Like you're kitted up too, right?

00:23:45.780 Oh, just black. We don't have our kid. We're just our blacks. So I said, here's what we're

00:23:49.940 going to do. I'm going to walk to the back of the car. We're going to come

00:23:52.400 back up and start this conversation all over and you won't get a ticket. I come back.

00:23:57.160 So I come back up. I said, man, did you know you went through that light back there? You

00:24:00.960 almost got us involved. I didn't go through the light. I said, you're going to get a ticket.

00:24:04.640 Write me a ticket. I said, you actually asked for a ticket. So then we have to call the patrol

00:24:08.620 cops off. You know, we're coming over. Our SWAT unit's coming over. Say, well, we got a TVR

00:24:11.940 book. And I'm like, this is embarrassing, but that's the last ticket I had to write. But you

00:24:16.000 literally asked for it. And I gave you every opportunity under the sun. Don't do this.

00:24:20.400 Well, I'll take the middle ground. I think any lawyer would advise anyone to never admit

00:24:25.240 to committing a crime, no matter how petty. But saying, write me a ticket is a step.

00:24:30.820 That's the direction you want to go. A lawyer would tell you, do not say that to the cop.

00:24:34.760 I mean, you know.

00:24:36.600 Be polite. Be respectful. Do not admit to anything. And then that's it. But I don't think,

00:24:43.040 I think saying, write me a ticket is on par with admitting to committing the crime.

00:24:46.140 The thing is, if I wanted to write a ticket, I would have. I'm going, I don't want to do

00:24:49.280 this. So let's start this conversation over again.

00:24:51.840 Well, I've had a few instances that I always think are worth bringing up, especially when

00:24:55.520 people are like, oh, Tim's always bringing up these negative stories about cops. Okay.

00:24:58.460 I had an instance in Chicago where a guy tried to mug me. And it's funny because I had no

00:25:01.920 money. I was broke. And this guy is like six, five or whatever. And he said, he walks up to

00:25:06.240 me as I'm crossing the street and he goes, hey, why don't you give me your money out of your

00:25:09.560 wallet? You know, I need some money right now. And I laughed. I was like, I don't have any money,

00:25:12.540 money in my wallet. And he's like, well, I'm trying to do the right thing right here right now.

00:25:15.420 I'm just, I'm asking you, can I have the money? And I said, bro, I don't have any money.

00:25:18.860 He's like, well, I do have a knife on me. So I'm just saying. And then I laughed and I pulled

00:25:22.000 up my wallet and it's dead empty, but, but for my ID and he goes, I know it's in your shoe.

00:25:25.560 As we cross the street, this like six foot tall, fat white guy in a long coat cop.

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00:26:34.240 Out of nowhere, just grabs this dude. Like he walks up, grabs him by the collar, spins him around

00:26:38.980 and slams him into a wrought iron fence and screams in his face, not in my town. True story. True

00:26:44.780 story. And then there are two beat cops who come around the corner and I was like, what the? And the

00:26:48.780 guy was like, we've been following this guy. We've been watching him walk up to people and we were

00:26:53.160 waiting for a time to grab him. It took all his information down. And so I was like, thank you very much.

00:26:57.700 I was like, I didn't, I didn't really feel worried because I don't have any money on me.

00:27:01.240 I don't know the time when I was speeding quite significantly. I had to go to the bathroom

00:27:04.300 really bad and the cop pulled me over and I'm like, the brown sirens on. And I was just like,

00:27:10.480 I gotta go to the bathroom. And he laughed and he's like, hurry up. And that was it. That was

00:27:12.960 the end of story. Uh, I've also had really bad instances where a cop tried planting drugs in my

00:27:16.740 car. And the only reason I didn't get charged with possession of drugs, which weren't mine,

00:27:20.560 were his was because I had a firefighter emblem in my glove box. That was my dad's.

00:27:24.400 So I get pulled over immediately. The cop walks up. I don't smoke weed. I've smoked. I've tried

00:27:30.200 pot one time when I was like 16. I was like, this is stupid. I do not smoke weed now. I barely ever

00:27:34.580 drink maybe once or one or two drinks a year. And, uh, I'm in my work uniform, a jumpsuit.

00:27:39.040 I get pulled over. Car is loaded with Taco Bell wrappers. And the first thing the cop does is,

00:27:44.620 whoa, whoa, geez. And I was like, what? And he's like out of the car. I smell marijuana.

00:27:48.760 And I'm like, is this a joke? I work for America. I work for American airlines. I can't smoke pot.

00:27:53.300 I'll get fired in two seconds. They drug test you all the time. You're dealing with planes,

00:27:57.540 calls for backup. They come, they cuff me. He demands a long story short. He comes on my car

00:28:02.300 with a nug of weed and he's like, confess. And I was like, to what? And he was like, say it's yours.

00:28:07.160 And this will go a lot easier. So to your story, when, you know, you walk up and say you went through

00:28:11.720 the red light, she's denying it. I mean, mine's a little different. The guy's trying to fall. It was the cop had,

00:28:15.640 it was the cop's weed because I don't smoke. In fairness, she had old Taco wrappers back there

00:28:18.940 too. I mean, that's probably not that. I think he saw me, a young guy with Taco Bell,

00:28:24.340 you know, and said, I bet he'll confess to pot or whatever. And I kept, I refused. I was like,

00:28:29.380 it's not mine. I was like, I don't smoke weed. I work for American airlines. Like they drug test

00:28:32.340 us every other week. It's not happening. And he was like, just, he's like, I'm going to give you

00:28:35.880 one more warning. You say it's yours. Otherwise this gets worse. And I was like, not mine. And I don't smoke.

00:28:41.160 He walks back over to the car and it's going through it. The other cops asking me questions.

00:28:45.260 Where do you work? What do you do? Where are you from? And I'm, I'm telling him,

00:28:48.440 and I know you're not supposed to, they say, don't talk to cops. The cop walks back over

00:28:51.240 and he's got the firefighter emblem that was still on the plastic, unpeeled and everything.

00:28:56.060 And he goes, who's the firefighter? It's like my dad. He goes like that. And he goes,

00:28:59.260 get out of here. And that was the end of it. So I've, I've had good and bad experiences.

00:29:02.420 And you can appreciate the courtesy if it wasn't a whole interrogation over nonsense or,

00:29:06.180 you know, an inquisition over nonsense. You can appreciate the courtesy, but the problem with

00:29:10.180 cops like that. And if, you know, he was trying to plant weed one, what are you getting out of it?

00:29:15.620 Two, the cops that do this are the same cops that sit in Uvalde with their finger in the rear end

00:29:20.600 for 77 minutes. All right. So when it is time to actually be a cop, they're never around nine,

00:29:25.680 99% of the time, those guys aren't around because the good cops are actually chasing. Like we used to

00:29:31.260 get in the car, run warrants. We want to arm robberies, guys with guns. Like we, we wanted the

00:29:35.380 big stuff like that. Some guys were into drugs, whatever, but you're, you're doing actual police work

00:29:40.580 guys like that. And I'm not saying you, you, like you said, um, Phil, you're driving 90 miles

00:29:46.580 an hour or something. Yeah. You need to get pulled over. Cause you're going to cause a problem. I get

00:29:50.140 that. Sure. Absolutely. 100%. But if you're just someone, and we have cops like this, they park,

00:29:55.040 they hide behind a tree, they're pulling mom, pop kettle over, coming home from work. Cause they

00:29:58.800 went five miles an hour over the speed limit or something like that. I'm like, what are we getting

00:30:02.880 out of this? They're just looking for the stat and why there's no quotas technically on paper.

00:30:10.360 You can't have that. But there's the pressure to make sure that you have numbers that are going to

00:30:15.800 represent that you're working. So what happens when you get these guys that don't know what crime

00:30:20.360 looks like on the streets, they try to go and do stops like what they did to Tim. So pat these

00:30:24.720 stats. So do me a favor and expand on that. What do you mean when you say that guys that don't know

00:30:30.060 what crime looks like on the streets? Because I think that the, I think I know what you're getting

00:30:33.900 and I think the average person doesn't realize how much the familiarity police officers have in the

00:30:39.820 community matters. Like police officers that police officers generally know the, the, the bad guys,

00:30:47.100 right? You guys get, you see the same dudes all the time. So please expand. So it's that

00:30:51.640 conversation. And I was, I can say this since I'm not working for a cop agency right now, I'll say

00:30:55.600 what I'll say what a lot of cops want to say. There's a difference between racially profiling

00:31:00.280 and criminally profiling. Okay. If I'm in a very nice neighborhood and I know what, you know,

00:31:06.620 the cars in that area looks like, and the people in that area look like, and all of a sudden I see

00:31:12.200 something that looks like an anomaly in that neighborhood. It's my job to start investigating

00:31:17.440 this, not to fabricate probable cause, but to find a way to, Hey, there's some crime or there's

00:31:23.900 reasonable suspicion or probable cause something where I can look into this car or this pet stop or

00:31:29.120 whatever the case may be and see what's going on. See if, and if the person has a right to be there,

00:31:34.300 this is where you need to take it to the next step as a cop and say, Hey, my apologies. This is

00:31:39.200 why I stopped you and give them the courtesy of understanding. Right. So, so now here's the issue

00:31:43.160 though, in today's politics, let's say you're in an upscale, uh, an uppity white suburban waspy

00:31:50.200 neighborhood and you see someone who does not fit the, the, the culture of the area. So let's say

00:31:58.320 they're like the clothes they're wearing seem out of place. And that in and of itself, not that big

00:32:03.320 a deal might happen, but this person walks over to somebody who walks out of a house and they do

00:32:09.100 the, you know, the quick high five, whatever the handoff. Right. And then when the guy you're like,

00:32:15.380 okay, I think we've got a drug deal, but then he turns around and his shirt says black lives matter.

00:32:19.220 And I'm, and I'm, I'm only half kidding. I like making the silly, but now you really do run the

00:32:23.360 risk of if you approach this guy, are you facing political repercussions? Cause he's going to claim,

00:32:28.120 oh, look at me. I'm a minority in this white neighborhood wearing a black lives matter.

00:32:31.640 And the cop came after me. And that's where, that's where phase one happens. You're the cop,

00:32:36.080 you do your job. Doesn't matter how it's going to look politically, but you're also right. The re

00:32:40.560 reality of that is, is he's going to be on the news. He's going to have, you know, cop watchers

00:32:45.380 coming after him and he's probably going to find himself in a situation where his agency is going

00:32:49.480 to put them on admin leave or terminate them. So there's one thing that you pointed out that I

00:32:53.400 want to at least draw, draw attention to when you say cop watchers, that's literally Antifa.

00:32:59.960 Okay. That that's who they are. They're, they're people that are affiliated with the far left that

00:33:04.160 are affiliated with all of the whole ACAB stuff. They're people that are constantly looking for a

00:33:10.840 reason to highlight any kind of interaction that they can put into a bad light. And these, this is

00:33:16.920 political. This is part of the political warfare that's going on in the United States right now.

00:33:20.980 People think that it's only like pundits on TV talking smack. It's not. It's, it's when

00:33:27.060 activists go after normal everyday people that are trying to do the normal everyday things that

00:33:34.220 keep our society functioning. And the reason that you see such a spike in crime in New York city

00:33:40.100 is because of these types of behaviors. Because if a cop is afraid, I'm going to do my job and then

00:33:46.180 I'm going to be on the news. It's not worth it for them because they're just trying to catch a

00:33:50.040 paycheck. They're just trying to keep their kids in school and, and, and have a, have a 401k.

00:33:55.120 Let me add to this. Cop watchers are the people who, when a squatter breaks into a house in New

00:34:00.780 York and the homeowner calls the police, the cop watchers are there to defend the squatters.

00:34:05.760 You've got the national lawyers guild. These are, these are not, this is not a lawyer's guild

00:34:10.400 as you might think it is. They use clever words. These are progressive activists. And I'll tell you

00:34:14.920 the distinction. You think the ACLU is there to defend civil liberties. No, they're there to defend the left.

00:34:20.040 The national lawyers guild is not a group of lawyers to keep an eye on police. They're there

00:34:24.240 to defend the left. Example being about seven or eight years ago in Boston. This is a, no,

00:34:29.060 this is about seven years ago in Boston, left-wing and right-wing groups had gathered at a park and

00:34:33.740 were protesting. The national lawyers guild stayed with Antifa to defend them. And I'm like, now,

00:34:39.760 hold on there a minute. This is not a police versus leftist interaction. This is a right versus

00:34:45.680 left thing. And I asked the NLG, how come you guys are only on one side? And they're like,

00:34:50.000 what do you mean? And I was like, well, how come you weren't watching the guys over there?

00:34:53.280 In fact, the people on the right were unarmed. They had shields and the people on the left had

00:34:56.460 crowbars and baseball bats. Shouldn't you be observing both for police interactions? And they

00:35:00.660 were like, what do you mean? These organizations exist to defend people from, to defend the left in

00:35:07.580 general from all threats, external police or otherwise.

00:35:09.960 Right. When was the last time the ACLU went to bat for second amendment rights?

00:35:12.760 And so the, exactly. And so seriously,

00:35:15.140 and so these are political organizations that are tied in with activist organizations. The people

00:35:19.960 that are like, that are currently fighting with cops in Georgia, stop cop city. Like those people,

00:35:26.160 those, those are, that again is all Antifa. They're all connected to the far left. They're all,

00:35:30.740 they're likely all communists. They likely all share the same politics. And I know that it's,

00:35:35.700 it's like, we're kind of honing in on the same thing frequently when we talk about communists,

00:35:39.580 but the reason is this is a, a cultural revolution that touches every part of your life. And a lot of

00:35:46.940 people don't realize it. So the reason the cops aren't, aren't, you know, enforcing the actual

00:35:52.740 law in New York city is because of the politicians and the politicians all have essentially the same

00:35:59.060 political bent. Let me ask you guys this. You saw the story in New York where the cops came and

00:36:03.060 arrested the homeowner, the squatting one. Yeah. They're there. Yeah. The homeowner shows up and says,

00:36:09.120 they changed my locks. They don't live here. They had no proof. They lived there. They had no lease.

00:36:13.060 The guy ends up apparently showing some kind of bill. And the cop said, that's good enough for me

00:36:17.800 and arrested the homeowner. Yeah. Why does that happen? That one fly by me. Sorry. I mean, here's

00:36:22.260 the, here's the problem with that. And this is why sometimes guys like me put a, you put an X on your

00:36:28.240 back just because you're trying to do the right thing. And you know, there's a reason why I got the

00:36:31.780 constitution tattooed on my arm. It's not because it looks cool. It's because you believe it. And

00:36:36.100 the problem is, and I think you used to say during COVID, you know, it's, they, they enact

00:36:41.060 unconstitutional edict and that's what it is. These fly by night laws, they try to, you know,

00:36:46.120 they signed a book, pen to paper. And all of a sudden it's an executive order and it takes

00:36:51.640 how long to try and challenge that in the meantime, how much unconstitutionality is going on.

00:36:58.320 So when something like that happens, no, I, we, I'm a little older. We used to call that.

00:37:04.360 What was the word? Burglary. All right. That's what it was called. That's it's called burglary.

00:37:10.160 So guess what? Pack up, beat it, or you're getting locked up. And if you beat the case,

00:37:14.620 then you beat the case. If I get in trouble, cause I know I'm doing the right thing, then

00:37:18.800 I'll get in trouble for doing the right thing. But people need to have like rebar in their back.

00:37:22.440 Well, and then the, and this might shock the public in the academy, you don't study the

00:37:28.080 constitution from start to finish. You highlight mostly fourth amendment because cities are thinking

00:37:33.220 about liability. What we do routine shooting every year, most agencies have it where at least every

00:37:39.300 six months you got to revalify it because it's a perishable skill. Well, guess what? If you haven't

00:37:43.820 studied the constitution since you were in the academy and you're five years, 10 years, the

00:37:48.120 constitution needs to be something that cops go over routinely. Why? Because the one

00:37:52.400 thing you realize is that penal code book, that's bigger than a Bible has a lot of laws

00:37:56.860 in there that are contrary to the constitution. And if cops actually know the constitution,

00:38:01.580 they're going to be in a position to even step back against their agency.

00:38:05.140 I do want to point out one thing I love so much is when these activists are getting arrested

00:38:08.620 and they yell, I have not been read my rights. And I'm just sitting there being like,

00:38:13.300 these people watch too much TV. Most street cops never read the rights. You give it to the

00:38:18.280 detectives. Well, right. But like these, these far leftists throw a brick at a cop,

00:38:23.740 get arrested. And then they're like, they're not reading me my rights. It's like, yeah,

00:38:26.340 because we all watched you do it, dude. We don't need to read you your rights.

00:38:29.340 There's no investigation. Two things need to be in play for Miranda. When everybody's talking

00:38:33.960 about their rights, Miranda, you need to have custody and integration. The both have to exist

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00:39:42.880 If you just have one, you're not going to get it. So just arresting somebody, you don't have to

00:39:46.760 read the Miranda. So for all these people out there who don't get it,

00:39:48.880 if you are witnessed committing a crime, they're not going to read you your rights. They don't need

00:39:52.120 to. I have a witness who said you did it. I saw you do it. I'm a witness. I'm not going to

00:39:57.260 question you over anything. You're going to arrest it.

00:39:59.080 Right. Until I start speaking to you and questioning you, there's no, I mean, you want

00:40:03.180 to read them their rights, read them their rights. But, you know, as soon as you put the cuffs on

00:40:06.320 them legitimately, you put them in the car, you never read me my rights. Brother, I haven't said

00:40:10.240 a word to you yet. Feel free to talk. I'm not questioning you. And if you start, you start

00:40:15.780 running your mouth. But I mean, so how do you, how do you get cops like these two cops in New York

00:40:20.420 who arrested the homeowner? Shouldn't they have just been like, we're not, we're not getting involved

00:40:23.920 with. Here's the issue. The homeowner actually said this to, I think it was a CBS crew. How come

00:40:29.820 you're telling me I have to go to court, but then you're also telling me they don't have to go to

00:40:35.020 court and you'll arrest me. Shouldn't the cops have said to the squatters, even if she changes

00:40:39.600 the locks, go to court. The cops were willing to arrest her.

00:40:42.700 They could have found a halfway point. They could have did something like that. Like, hey, well,

00:40:46.200 she changed the locks. Well, technically now you're out of the house. I mean, I almost feel like

00:40:49.540 you're making the rules up as you go. I was like, well, technically it's Tuesday. So if you're out of the

00:40:53.820 house, you have to go, there are ways to kind of, you know, try to find a halfway ground. Like,

00:40:59.380 oh, she changed the locks. Well, you can't go in now because this would actually be burglary.

00:41:03.020 So you have to go to court. I guess there's a way you can try to do that. I mean,

00:41:06.840 yeah. The worst scenario that the cop should have did in this case was maybe approach it like a civil

00:41:11.600 way. You know, Hey, this, you guys will go to court, but that's worse. I mean, the cops should have

00:41:16.600 taken in the squatters here and then apply, like you said, burglary, you know, if you have,

00:41:21.060 if you have the, the elements of the crime for that, and then let the DA's office do it on their

00:41:26.020 end. We were talking about this yesterday with these women getting punched in the face in New

00:41:28.820 York. And I tweeted out, I think it's funny that they're getting punched in the face in New York.

00:41:33.260 And, uh, oh boy, it's like a lot of people are really happy. And a lot of people are very

00:41:37.560 polarizing tweet, but there's even conservatives who are like, that's a weird take, Tim. Why are you

00:41:41.460 happy about this? And I'm like, look, they arrested Daniel Penny. They banned guns. They banned

00:41:46.940 self-defense. You can't defend yourself in your own home and people choose to live there. And I'm

00:41:52.100 sorry, like you may, maybe for some reason you're stuck in New York state, but you don't got to stay

00:41:56.400 in the city and people are choosing to live here. The people of New York, 80% or whatever, are voting

00:42:02.100 for these policies over and over and over again. And I'm like, look, man, I am, I am sad. These women

00:42:07.780 are getting punched. Sure. But the funny thing is the eating crow that they're, that they're willing

00:42:13.280 to say they bought, they defunded the NYPD by the tune of about one six, like a, like a billion

00:42:17.520 dollars. They stripped them of funding and then crime spikes. They release, they're releasing

00:42:21.640 criminals from prison, arresting good Samaritans, banning self-defense, and then crying when bad

00:42:26.580 things happen. And I'm like, what am I supposed to do? But laugh. Well, I agree. I agree with that.

00:42:30.980 So there's a little assumption. I heard you were saying this the other night. I would, I would

00:42:35.620 respectfully disagree. I'll say why. So one, we have to be under the assumption that the women getting

00:42:40.720 punched in the face actually voted for this, right? If they, if they actually, they could

00:42:44.620 actually be conservative living in New York. I mean, it does happen. I know it's, it's not,

00:42:48.780 it's rare, but it does happen. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm just a little old school. You don't put your

00:42:53.580 hands on women that, that, that really bothers me. And I'll give you an example. I'll give you an

00:42:57.520 example. Something I went through when I was still on patrol and we get a call. Basically it's a

00:43:05.320 domestic and you know how they can be, you know, nine, nine times out of 10, the female you're trying

00:43:09.740 to protect her and she will go after you because now the boyfriend or husband's getting locked up.

00:43:14.940 The problem is, so on this situation, we go in, the boyfriend's all doped up. He put a licking

00:43:21.780 into her and she's all banged up. Now she just wants to leave. Now, technically they're maybe

00:43:27.260 supposed to get locked up, but you can tell he, he was beating on her. So I'm trying to get her out.

00:43:32.240 Me and my partner are trying to get her out of the house. This dude doesn't want her to leave.

00:43:35.200 And it was like, yo brother, you got to one more time. You put your hands on her and there's going

00:43:39.420 to be a problem kind of thing. And you're, I'm talking just like this. Calm. It ain't going to

00:43:43.580 happen. All right. She goes outside. There's video cameras outside. So she starts to walk down the

00:43:49.720 street. The guy goes to go after her again. And you see it on camera. I grab him. It was the winter

00:43:54.440 time. I grab him by his coat. I put my foot behind him, take him down to the ground. That was it.

00:43:58.720 We handcuff him. We pick, pick him up and actually just slide him into the car. That was it.

00:44:04.160 So he goes, now we take him to the district and he gets, I think it was a misdemeanor,

00:44:11.220 but I can't remember exactly what it was. He goes back, calls for a supervisor after that,

00:44:17.780 because you're really, I'm sorry, it wasn't a misdemeanor. I think it was a summary.

00:44:20.220 So he's released a few hours later. Okay. Now earlier that night, he had yellow eyes for,

00:44:25.660 he had like shiners, but you know, they were yellow, which means this happened days ago.

00:44:28.920 All right. Several days ago. What happens is I wind up getting deposed. This goes into a lawsuit.

00:44:35.420 Now the girl left, she went her own way. I get deposed. They recover the video footage.

00:44:41.560 So I'm sitting in Liberty one, one of the biggest buildings in Philadelphia, the top floor. All right.

00:44:46.280 And you got all these, like a room like this and they're sitting there, you know, did you do this?

00:44:50.080 Did you? I said, no. Well, my client says this. I said, listen, you're telling me there's video.

00:44:54.860 Play it. They played a video. I said, where did I kick them? Well, you know, you were out of view

00:45:00.140 for a little bit. I said, stop. We had, it was one of those. So this is how bad it got. And this is

00:45:05.340 how bad the city's city solicitors are too. Cause if you're looking at them for help nine times out

00:45:10.220 of 10, there's a reason why they're working for the city as a lawyer. So I actually, so the guy's

00:45:15.140 going, well, what about these black and what about his black and blue eyes? I'm going, his eyes aren't

00:45:19.020 black and blue. They're yellow. When did he say this happened? It happened that night. I said,

00:45:22.860 so the pictures of his black and blue eyes that are yellow that happened four hours later. Yeah.

00:45:28.620 So I look at the city solicitor and I turn around and go, did you talk to a nurse or a doctor when

00:45:33.000 he went to the, you know, the hospital to get this? No, I didn't talk to him. I said, don't

00:45:36.620 you think you should, because they can probably tell you. And then he interrupts me because I don't

00:45:40.320 need to be told how to do my job. I said, I'm going to get a second opinion on this. I said,

00:45:44.120 because right now, so I didn't get any trouble. I was cleared by internal affairs because there

00:45:48.020 was absolutely no corroborating evidence that I did anything. We have the video.

00:45:53.220 They still gave this guy $110,000. Well, and there's the other issue that develops there though

00:45:57.900 is it's also on your profile. You're it's on your, your jacket at the agency that you have this use

00:46:05.620 of force investigation. And so what happens is you get these good cops, especially proactive cops,

00:46:10.620 your proactive cops are probably going to have a lot of use of force allegations made against them.

00:46:13.960 And the media highlights it. Well, look at that 13, you know, use of force things. This means this

00:46:19.500 person has to be bad, or maybe they're just proactive. And I wonder if it's all just intentionally

00:46:24.700 to destroy the institution of policing in the United States, partly to replace it with communists.

00:46:29.780 I'm saying communists somewhat facitiously with their allies, with the cult, they talk about

00:46:34.520 community policing. But what that really means is we want our political ideologues in the power of

00:46:40.580 policing and we want these, you know, good old boys gone. So you told the story at the beginning

00:46:45.360 of the show about how they fabricated posts from you to get you fired. Like that, that they know

00:46:51.660 who you are. So we don't know how that, so we don't know how that happened. So, I mean, they must've

00:46:56.660 got, because it started out with a thousand cops, then it was 328, but everybody was saying like almost

00:47:03.380 none of the cops use their actual names. My account was on private. And like I said, they grossly

00:47:10.040 exaggerate things just to get the city's attention. And then the city, instead of doing their due

00:47:15.060 diligence, like, you know, there's no doubt. And the woman that did this, so Tim, to go back to what

00:47:20.140 you were talking about earlier, the woman that did it, her name's Emily Baker White. She's a lawyer

00:47:24.460 from Philadelphia, a lawyer, okay? Activist lawyer, okay? On her Twitter page, someone got,

00:47:31.200 I have it on my phone. It's actually, it's a, I want to say it's like a silhouette of a

00:47:36.940 cartoon head kind of silhouette. And it says on top of it, if you, what was it? If you support police

00:47:45.180 and then it has like a silhouette of a gun in, you know, in the back of the head. So I'm like,

00:47:51.140 this is the person whose word you're taking. And look, whatever, sometimes they drop it in your lap.

00:47:57.720 You still have to do an investigation, but do the investigation instead of just trying to get

00:48:01.800 a confirmation. And that's exactly what they wanted. And the way they ran the investigation

00:48:06.160 on me and 328 other cops, you know, it was, was egregious to the point where, I mean, the arbitrators

00:48:12.860 in my award for it were basically saying, did you even read his post? Did you even look at the videos?

00:48:19.680 You know, how come you didn't have the social media detectives do the, do the authentication?

00:48:23.840 Do you guys feel like the unions ever did anything to protect you? Cause I'm not personally like a

00:48:29.240 pro union dude. I think that like, you know, the union did get my job back. I mean, we had a good

00:48:33.200 lawyer. So I mean, but you're always fighting from behind. That's the problem. Let me, let me just

00:48:38.420 real quick show everybody how easy it is to fabricate social media posts. Uh, so here we have a tweet from

00:48:45.140 the daily beast, which reads the daily beast is fake news. Uh, I wrote that and it looks like a real

00:48:50.400 tweet. Look at that. It's on Twitter. Now I can screenshot this and say, Hey, look what they posted

00:48:54.960 and the average person's, I'm not going into paintbrush. I'm not going into Photoshop.

00:48:59.760 All you got to do is right. Click inspect the tweet pops right up. Then you can go in here and I can

00:49:04.840 write whatever I want. How about a cheeseburger, uh, burgers are tasty. And then bang, press enter,

00:49:13.740 close it out. And now I have a daily beast post that says cheeseburgers are tasty. I can then

00:49:18.280 screenshot that and be like, wow, look what they did. So it's funny. You're doing that. So

00:49:22.500 what the FOP did for, they did an example. They, they created a fake, um, Facebook page

00:49:28.560 and the post, the headline post was, um, I'm tired of these protesters being in the road.

00:49:37.840 I have to get the work. I'm going to run the motor. They were doing this on purpose. Okay. So that was

00:49:42.100 what I'm tired of. They're getting in the road and they're getting in my way and I'm going to run

00:49:46.180 them over. So the first, the first, so they created our first post and the first post was,

00:49:49.960 um, how did it go? Don't worry about it, man. Just let the cops handle that. Okay. The second

00:49:57.420 post was, I agree with that. Then they took the first post out. So now the second post sounds like

00:50:02.620 you're agreeing with, and that's what it sounds like you're, it sounds like you're agreeing with

00:50:07.020 running protesters over so that the FOP, these guys, no disrespect them. It's not like they're,

00:50:12.200 I mean, you just did that in 10 seconds. I mean, it's not that hard and that's exactly what was

00:50:16.240 going on. And that's why they said they're the city's own lawyers told them, and we, we have the

00:50:21.980 paperwork on it that their own lawyers told the higher ups, listen, you need to get basically your

00:50:27.640 IT department to inspect the links. Basically you need to vet this correctly. And the city didn't do

00:50:35.660 it. I mean, they got this advice from their own lawyers and still ignore their own lawyers.

00:50:40.120 Maybe the city did it. Maybe, maybe there's individuals in government who are like, how

00:50:43.560 can we terminate a bunch of officers for cause without getting sued? And then they can't touch

00:50:48.560 us. Hey, make some fake posts. And then you can plausible deniability. Well, we saw the post.

00:50:53.120 We thought they were true and you can't come after us now.

00:50:54.900 Well, they got 20 complaint. They got 20 plaintiffs, $2 million a piece suing them right now.

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00:52:42.700 You could see who your proactive cops are. You could see who has the education to be the next

00:52:48.400 lieutenant, the next commander, the deputy chief. And if these people are people that are not going

00:52:52.840 to align with the political narrative you want, you could attack these people before they ever get to

00:52:57.100 where they're going. And on the opposite, set up people that are going to be on that narrative

00:53:00.540 to take over the agency. And then those same people are going to have a say in the hiring.

00:53:05.500 This is something that's important for people that are on the right or politically conservative

00:53:10.940 to understand. There are things that you can do to help manage your local police force or manage

00:53:19.660 your local government and stuff like that. A lot of people get so wrapped up in Washington,

00:53:23.580 D.C. They don't they aren't even aware about or aren't even aware of what they have lying in

00:53:31.020 front of them that they can actually do that has an actual tangible result in six months or a year.

00:53:37.340 You could make it make some kind of change like at your at your police, you know, your local police

00:53:41.200 station or whatever like that. You know, if you if you have if you're paying attention to it and you

00:53:44.900 are organized with the community. But this is something that the right fails to do regularly,

00:53:49.260 mostly because they're at work. They don't march nearly as good as the left. No,

00:53:52.700 it's because they're at work. Not kidding around. Not joking. The reason this stuff gets the reason

00:53:57.660 activists can like slide this stuff under is because they're activists doing it all day long.

00:54:02.140 And normal people are like, hey, I'm going to do normal things like have kids and have a wife

00:54:07.100 or have a husband and like go to do things together. That's that's that's only half true.

00:54:12.300 Some of these protesters are at work. Fair enough. Legit. Yes. Getting paid. Yep. Not profits.

00:54:18.380 So during Occupy Wall Street, for example, there was a reporting that many of the people down

00:54:22.700 at Occupy were getting paid. What happens then is your run of the mill protester who is not getting

00:54:27.740 paid starts joking around, being like, where's my Soros paycheck? Oh, I wish I was getting paid.

00:54:33.420 And then the left then mocks the right saying, haha, you made this up. The reality is that Occupy

00:54:38.220 Wall Street. They were a handful of individuals who are working for nonprofits and those nonprofits

00:54:42.940 said, hey, instead of doing your normal office work, go down and support the occupiers. We'll

00:54:47.820 keep paying you. They were getting paid. They were getting paid by nonprofits. Those nonprofits

00:54:51.500 were getting funding from George Soros among many other organizations. And these people were providing

00:54:55.820 the organizational backbone for Occupy Wall Street. That's true. Well, what people need to understand,

00:55:00.380 too, is when you have these politicians and you have these certain organizations like the Soros

00:55:06.540 funded ones, and they're talking about defunding law enforcement, people don't understand. They're

00:55:11.180 not talking about getting rid of law enforcement. They want to get rid of cops and deputies. They

00:55:15.020 want federal law enforcement. And if we get federal law enforcement, if you think the way things are bad

00:55:20.540 now, stand by to stand by. That's terrifying. But, you know, I think it's all part of the nationalization

00:55:27.820 process. They want to eliminate states. They want one centralized governing authority. They want a

00:55:33.180 popular vote, presidential elections, ending the republic and turning it into a multicultural

00:55:38.380 democracy. Well, that blends in with a globalist view, right? Because what happens is they want to

00:55:44.540 make the U.S. into a singular body so that the U.S. as a whole functions like any single state does.

00:55:50.140 So right now it's like you're Illinois. Illinois has its own laws, own jurisdiction, but it's a part of

00:55:53.660 the union. So when it comes to policing, it's its local jurisdiction. Illinois law cops from Indiana

00:55:59.500 aren't going to come into Illinois and enforce Indiana law. They want to take that concept,

00:56:04.220 expand it. So all policing in the United States is under federal law, but the United States is a

00:56:11.020 sovereign state within the United Nations. So what you basically do is you create blocks.

00:56:18.220 They're thinking, how can we treat the United States as if it were a single state in a union of

00:56:22.620 countries? So now you've got Canada, Mexico, the U.S., the European Union, and, you know,

00:56:28.220 whatever countries. And the U.S. is just one component. And so imagine instead of being able

00:56:34.540 to vote for your president, you know, you're there's no governors anymore. There's no mayors.

00:56:39.500 You go and cast your ballot for the popular vote president. And then your president goes to a

00:56:43.820 council where there is a supreme international governing body who's elected by other countries

00:56:48.060 to oversee. That's basically what they what they want in the end. And that's how you get to a one

00:56:52.300 world government or partly how you do it. Sigh.

00:56:57.580 That is terrible. Well, I mean, you just look at the little moves that they're making now. Like,

00:57:03.100 I'm from California. You have LAPD that's hiring illegals, you know, that calm DACA.

00:57:08.860 Oh, what happens when you're the non-citizen police?

00:57:12.620 Yes. And so when this, when this initial and now you have them being hired on the university

00:57:17.420 police, like there's quite a few that have already came out of the academy. They're out there

00:57:20.220 deployed. They're out in the field now. Donald Trump, when he gets elected, he should go and

00:57:23.500 he should. I'm not saying deport him. He should be deporting all of the criminal aliens, especially

00:57:29.340 over the past four years. But he should at least be like, you are here like executive authority.

00:57:34.060 You cannot be a cop. Like, that's it. That's insane. No, I mean, you shouldn't be able to

00:57:37.820 carry a gun. Well, if you're, if you're not, I mean, isn't that one of the questions on, on

00:57:43.340 the forms? Are you an illegal alien or non-citab, whatever it is? Well, you're also,

00:57:47.500 and you're committing a crime. Yeah. That's one of the questions on there.

00:57:50.700 A federal judge ruled recently that criminal aliens are allowed to keep in bare arms.

00:57:55.020 Then did the ATF get this message? Because so what, what happens when you're the American citizen

00:58:01.020 that gets pulled over by an illegal, that's asking you for your papers and they don't have

00:58:05.100 any to begin and, and, and, and to take it a step first, what happens when that turns into,

00:58:11.580 because it's eventually this is going to happen. You're going to have an illegal that does a use of

00:58:15.900 force that's going to end up, you know, have a consequence of great bodily injury or death.

00:58:21.580 How's that going to work out? You had an illegal person harm an American citizen.

00:58:25.500 What's that going to play out, play out like California is going to say our undocumented

00:58:29.340 citizens have the same rights as our documented citizens.

00:58:32.300 And I understand 10th amendment rights that some states want to, but I don't, I don't understand how

00:58:37.180 a 10th amendment right here would, would even enter the conversation.

00:58:41.900 The excuse that California is using right now. Cause people are asking, well, why are you doing

00:58:45.100 it? Well, cause we're having staffing issues to hire cops. Well, then I'm sorry. How about all the

00:58:50.300 guys that you went and pushed out because they didn't put a certain, you know, jab in their arm

00:58:54.300 and then bring them back. If it's really a staffing issue, you have people that already have tenure,

00:58:59.420 have experience, bring them back on, make incentives for guys that, you know, retired earlier,

00:59:03.740 things like that, bring them back. You don't have to, you know, turn to hiring illegals to supplement

00:59:08.620 numbers because of a staffing issue. No, that's, that's, that's communist takeover.

00:59:12.300 Do you think that's an action that's viable? Do you think that the people would actually come back?

00:59:17.260 That's the other tough one, you know, because the thing I genuinely do get a, and this is not some

00:59:23.180 kind of like scientific study or anything, but I really get the feeling that most of the cops that

00:59:27.900 are, you know, want to do the job, not just have a job, like split. You got it. You have to have

00:59:33.820 people that want to do the thing that they're doing. And this is something that the left tends

00:59:38.060 to do. They think that, that people are just cogs and replaceable, right? So it doesn't matter who's

00:59:43.020 in the position. You just put someone in there or put a cog in there and it'll work because they'll do

00:59:48.700 the things that that thing is supposed to do, whatever it may be, whether it's, you know, it

00:59:53.180 doesn't matter what, what the topic is. That's the way that people are treated, but you have to have

00:59:57.580 people that are motivated that have a desire because not every job is the same and you can

01:00:03.260 get away with going to like an office job and being like, I hate this. I'm miserable. I have

01:00:08.220 to send in these reports and I want to, you know, I hate, I hate my life like this. Right. But if

01:00:13.260 you're doing that as a cop and you're interacting with people, you're going to have a really, really,

01:00:18.380 you're going to have a laundry list of bad interactions because you don't want to do it.

01:00:22.860 And you have to want, when it comes to certain jobs, you have to care. You have to want to be

01:00:28.060 a doctor. I mean, a doctor, it could be anything where life is on the line, anything where you need

01:00:32.140 that, that passion, anything. I mean, you, I don't know anybody who's got a bad attitude

01:00:37.500 and doesn't want to be there to somehow does a spectacular job. That is an anomaly. If I've

01:00:41.420 ever seen for any job ever for any job. I mean, yeah. And that, that, that part of that,

01:00:46.780 that aspect of being a human being is really what it is. It's looking at people as if they're not

01:00:52.700 people like ignoring the fact that people are different. The way I would answer your question

01:00:56.780 on that one is what I said, would I support or push my son to be a cop right now? The answer to

01:01:01.420 that is definitively no. And the reason behind that is the culture in law enforcement right now

01:01:06.460 is designed to make him a bad cop or get hurt. Yeah. Like that, that's, that's the culture of law.

01:01:12.620 All of these things all over society are just all so effed up. But the scary thing is,

01:01:17.340 it's the intent of the communists, the far left, the cultists to create an environment where either

01:01:22.460 you're a bad cop or you're in trouble. Yeah. Or you're neutered. I mean, you're doing nothing

01:01:29.980 or you're back. Yeah. I mean, like right now people need to understand, and this may sound terrible,

01:01:35.020 but it's the culture of it. You have cops that are sitting, the beat cops that are sitting in

01:01:38.780 their black and whites right now that are like, unless I'm distatched to it, I ain't looking for

01:01:44.300 nothing right now. Because the second I find something and I do my job, I'm either going to

01:01:49.180 end up in an internal affairs investigation or fired. It's, it's the truth. And then it goes

01:01:54.220 right back to what you just said. You wind up going to work with that, you know?

01:01:58.700 So you're, and the thing is like, look at the incentives laid out in front of your average

01:02:02.300 officer. Internal affairs, fired, go through all the effort of getting this guy off the street,

01:02:08.300 and then the DA lets him go. Well, hold on. Oh no. Well, you just mentioned the DA. So if you're in Los

01:02:13.340 Angeles, if you're in Philadelphia, if you're in Chicago, New York, you're not getting a,

01:02:19.180 I'm being nice when I say this, you're not getting a favorable district attorney. You're

01:02:22.860 getting Soros funded. And whether you're in Philadelphia, I mean, these are friends of mine.

01:02:28.700 He was a lieutenant. He was a staff inspector. Joe Bologna, not that Bologna. Tony Bologna.

01:02:33.500 No, not that guy. Joe, I know you have a bluff. Like that's not the same one. Joe Bologna,

01:02:37.980 he was a staff inspector. You do not see staff inspectors. That is a pretty high rank. You do not see

01:02:42.780 them out there with their troops during the 2020 riots. He hit a guy who needed to be struck and

01:02:49.020 he hit him across the back. When he fell, he had a bicycle helmet on with a brim. The brim hits the

01:02:53.980 kid in the head, cuts him open. They had the video. They know the asp struck him across the back,

01:03:01.180 but because he was caught here, they charged him with aggravated assault. It was a five-year process.

01:03:08.380 He just got his job back. I mean, he's going to get a boatload of money from everything,

01:03:11.580 but that's what they do. Rich Nicoletti, another good friend of mine in the SWAT unit,

01:03:15.820 we went through a SWAT school together. They tried taking over 676, the Vine Street Expressway,

01:03:21.260 which is like a massive artery through Center City, Philadelphia. This is during the riots.

01:03:26.060 A state trooper that's down on 676, he has his car being overtaken. He goes over the radio,

01:03:31.740 asks for an assist. The SWAT unit with Rich and a couple other people are in there.

01:03:35.660 They can't get up the highway now to help him because you have protesters sitting down in the

01:03:40.620 middle of the interstate. So Rich gets out, pepper sprays them to have mask on. So he takes the mask

01:03:45.420 off and pepper sprays them. 100% allowed. I mean, it's no different that we have something at the

01:03:52.700 range we call body armor. You shoot in the chest. You don't shoot in the head unless you have to,

01:03:56.380 but then we yell body armor. Why? They have a vest. It defeats the purpose. The mask defeated the

01:04:01.660 purpose of the pepper spray. He took it off. He sprayed the guy. That was it.

01:04:05.260 It didn't kick him. Didn't stomp him. Rich, that was in 2020. He's still fighting this case.

01:04:11.260 It's ridiculous. And I know as a young cop, one of the biggest mistakes that I ever made

01:04:16.860 was the week prior we're working. We get in a in custody fight with this guy. He ends up dying.

01:04:23.260 They end up doing the autopsy. It's excited delirium. But before we get that result,

01:04:27.340 all we know is there was about five of us wrestling with this. He was probably

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01:05:29.500 Visit ConnectsOntario.ca. About six foot six, two big, huge white dude. And he dies in our custody.

01:05:36.860 The following week, I'm at work. I get sent to a call. Dude's in this front yard. We don't know

01:05:41.580 if it's his home. He's broken in through the doors. We can see that. And he comes out and he has his hand

01:05:45.500 in his back and he's saying, I got a gun. I'm going to shoot you. You're ready to do this. And it's on the

01:05:49.420 unit, the cameras. So like all this can be proven. And I remember I'm looking at him. It's just me and my

01:05:55.020 partner that are there and he has his back there and he's looking at my partner. And then he starts

01:05:58.940 getting ready to charge towards me saying that he has a gun. And I remember the thought that came to

01:06:03.420 my head is if I dumped this guy, I was just in a fight with somebody last week that died in our

01:06:09.180 custody and I'm doomed. I am going to get left out to dry. And so it gave me a split second hesitation.

01:06:16.060 So yeah, this guy threw out his hand, didn't have a weapon. Turns out this dude escaped from a drug

01:06:20.300 clinic. And you know, you're lucky you're alive, but I'm, and I'm lucky. He's lucky. But what did,

01:06:26.780 what if it was a gun? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And your hesitation is based on and the leadership.

01:06:34.220 So the so-called leadership around you. And I remember I said, I will never make the mistake

01:06:39.740 of giving the, the perp, the benefit of the doubt, because I'm worried about politics in the background.

01:06:45.580 That's when you can't do the job anymore. It's funny how this is indicative of the left or it's,

01:06:51.660 it's maybe intrinsic to not necessarily the left, but those who have no experience with firearms,

01:06:57.740 they seem to think, why don't you shoot him in the leg? Yeah. Why don't you shoot him in the arm?

01:07:00.940 Why don't you shoot the gun out of his hand? Have you guys ever seen that video where there's a

01:07:06.540 deranged guy and he's got, I think he has a knife and he's coming at the cop and the cop's screaming

01:07:12.460 and the cop's not shooting cops back up saying, stop. No. Then the cop shoots him twice. And the

01:07:16.700 guy just curls and then he gets up and then he grabs the other cop. And then the cop with the

01:07:21.740 gun screams and shoots the guy in the head with his partner right there next to it. Yeah.

01:07:26.380 They seem to think that for one, like clearly they've never fired a gun in their lives. They

01:07:31.420 think you could just be like in the leg, like it's a magic laser beam that just points where you,

01:07:35.340 and they also believe that shooting someone once in the chest puts them down and often does not.

01:07:41.100 I mean, like I'm, I'm a very big pro two way guy and I'm a, I'm a carry a gun all the time. You play

01:07:47.660 anytime it's legal, I'm carrying a gun. And so I do a lot of the watching stuff on YouTube about it. I

01:07:54.380 go to classes at least every year to make sure that I'm, you know, up to date on, on, you know,

01:08:00.620 the safety stuff and, and all the things that you would want to do if you're want to be a safe,

01:08:04.780 legal gun carrying kind of guy. And your average person to Tim's point, they don't know anything

01:08:11.100 about what a gun does except for something comes out the front. That's it. They have no idea what

01:08:17.660 happens to a human body. When a body gets shot, they have no idea what happens to the bullet,

01:08:23.660 what happened, how they have no idea how a gun actually stops someone. So they think you point

01:08:29.340 a gun at someone and it's like magic, just shoot them. Just, just think about, and I'm not even a

01:08:35.020 gun expert, but the average person has no idea what a frangible round is, has no idea what hollow

01:08:39.260 point means. They think silencers go pew, pew, pew. They have zero idea how guns function.

01:08:46.060 And then what ends up happening is that cop should have shot him in the leg.

01:08:49.900 It's like, okay, well then the bullet ricochets off the ground and hits some old lady nearby,

01:08:53.420 or it does nothing or you like, or there's no artery in the leg.

01:08:56.300 Yeah. I mean, there's no femoral artery in the leg.

01:08:58.060 That's another thing. Oh, right. You hit the femoral artery and they just die.

01:09:00.620 Yeah. It's, it's the same as almost getting your throat slit. I mean, you're, you're going to leak

01:09:03.820 out within a, within a minute. Yeah. People think that like, if you, if you just, like you said,

01:09:08.860 if you shoot them once, that's, you know, that's, they'll stop. But the point of a gun

01:09:13.420 is to, when you have a gun and once you take the gun out, you have to shoot them until they stop.

01:09:19.260 Neutralize the threat.

01:09:20.460 Yeah. You, you shoot until this, they are no longer a threat so that it doesn't matter if it's

01:09:26.380 one bullet or every bullet that you have on your person, you continue to shoot them until they're not

01:09:32.380 a threat because they're good. If the gun's out, they're going to kill someone or they're probably

01:09:38.060 going to kill someone or the chances they're going to kill someone. And you have to act as if they are

01:09:43.020 going to kill someone. So as like, as a, as a citizen, I can't just pull my gun and be like,

01:09:48.780 stop it. Like the police can, right? Like it, it has, if it comes out, it has to be because I'm

01:09:52.620 using it. But you guys, if you start shooting, it's because someone is going to die, you know?

01:09:57.500 And it, you have to shoot until there's no longer a threat there.

01:09:59.980 I think too many, it's too easy. We, I was talking about the Yelp review thing,

01:10:04.460 the internet review. You go in a hundred people going for a cheeseburger. They get an A plus cheeseburger.

01:10:09.580 They say, that's a, that's what I expect. One person comes in, they forgot the pickles.

01:10:13.580 I hate this place. The worst place. They didn't give me the pickles. And now you got all,

01:10:16.780 it's, it's so easy to get a bad review. What we end up seeing on the internet is

01:10:21.580 every instance of questionable police use of force. And I don't even mean overtly bad. I mean,

01:10:29.340 like questionable as in the average person doesn't understand. George Floyd is a good example.

01:10:32.940 They don't understand what happened because they didn't watch the full body camera footage.

01:10:36.220 They think there's some, this poor bumbly guy and they were just, they just crushed his,

01:10:41.100 they don't realize the guy was doing drugs.

01:10:42.460 They imagine Rodney King. Right. And so, yeah, that's a totally different,

01:10:47.180 yeah. They don't see all the videos where the cops never draw their guns in the face of a gun.

01:10:52.140 Right. I, I interviewed a cop in New York 10 years ago, uh, man, probably 12 years ago. And this is

01:10:57.100 a good cop. He said, uh, you, the, the, one of the biggest problems that they have and the reason

01:11:03.260 why the activists are so upset is because they're scared people holding guns. Cops are not being trained

01:11:07.500 properly. They're, they're going out and they're terrified of what's going on. You saw the guy with

01:11:11.740 the acorn hit the tree and then he unloads into the car. Oh, I, I've never, I've never seen such

01:11:16.940 a severe allergy to nuts. I was the most severe allergy to a nut I ever thought.

01:11:22.380 I'm really glad that like, you know, nobody died in that situation. Right. Like I'm glad.

01:11:28.220 So that's comedy. That's right. That's why, because man, the memes were just absents.

01:11:32.220 It's, but it's, if you're a double role, if you're a cop, you're so embarrassed by that. And

01:11:37.900 you know, part of my job before, whether we were in SWAT and you were teaching active shooters or

01:11:43.340 were, I was at the ranch as a firearm instructor and you were teaching that kind of stuff.

01:11:47.340 It, I can tell you right now, cops are definitely under trained. And I think one of the biggest

01:11:50.540 problems with the under training is there's no stress. You don't know how you're going to perform

01:11:56.060 until there's stress and you have to put people through this kind of stuff. And when I say stress,

01:12:01.260 it doesn't have to be anything grueling, but you know, they have to run a little bit,

01:12:05.100 get your heart rate through the roof. And we try to teach these recruits. Like sometimes it's just

01:12:08.940 as simple as running in place and the feet are going like this. They're barely leaving the ground.

01:12:12.860 It's like, guys, you know, when we came through to your cat, I went, I came out in 2003,

01:12:17.980 everybody was in shape. Let me rephrase that. The majority of people were in shape. Guys played sports.

01:12:23.020 They were, they, they, they had that more alpha mentality, not, not toxic as they would say now,

01:12:28.300 but they wanted the competition. They wanted to push themselves harder now. And this isn't

01:12:33.900 everybody. I'm not an absolutist on this, but it is absolutely changed on, on that. And I, I will

01:12:40.140 always say the biggest problem with policing right now is one is leadership to his training. And the

01:12:46.060 biggest problem with the training is it's not enough stress. I'll say some of that, but to answer

01:12:50.940 what you were saying to Tim, the other issue, why this looks so bad when you have these shootings or use

01:12:56.700 of forces out there, but specifically shooting is people don't realize if, if the numbers were out

01:13:01.740 there to how many times cops have drawn their guns and then compare that to actual shootings,

01:13:07.420 people would be like, oh my God, they actually are disciplined, but those numbers aren't out there. And

01:13:11.500 one of the reasons those numbers aren't out there is typically your city councils don't want it out

01:13:16.540 there because it's going to affect tourism. It's going to affect people. If people knew what was actually

01:13:21.660 happening in their cities, it would terrify them. But here's the story to what you were saying too,

01:13:25.820 on the leadership part, we had a guy that came in and he was a cop in, I think Louisiana or something

01:13:30.940 like that. And our agency spent some money to get them out to our area and, you know,

01:13:34.380 put them through the expedited Academy for California and all that. So they spent some money on this guy.

01:13:39.340 We have them in training. We get into a foot pursuit of a suspect guy drops a gun during the foot

01:13:43.660 pursuit. We take them into custody. We get the gun. This guy comes forward right after that call,

01:13:48.860 tells the FTO, hey, I'm done, man. Take him back to the station. He's like, what's on?

01:13:52.300 He's like, the dude had a gun. And we're like, yeah, man, we're cops. Like, this is what we do.

01:13:56.060 But it actually said in that, man, like these guys have guns. So FTO takes him to the station.

01:14:01.900 We all know this guy's done. He's going to wash out and good on him.

01:14:04.620 And it's not for everybody. And here's the thing, a lot of respect that he actually had

01:14:08.140 the cojones to come and say, hey, this ain't for me. Go for it. Yeah.

01:14:10.940 Yeah. Administration turned around, said, think about this tonight, come back tomorrow,

01:14:15.900 push the FTO to bring them back into service because, hey, he can work through this. We're

01:14:20.700 like, this dude just told us that in this situation, we need him. He can't do the job

01:14:25.100 and you want to push him. He lasted like another day or two and he was done.

01:14:27.740 Exactly.

01:14:28.060 But admin was willing to put this kind of guy on the street because they were looking

01:14:31.580 at the checkbook of what was spent on him.

01:14:33.180 Because they're not going to get hurt when something goes sideways.

01:14:35.580 Exactly. You can't unring the bell. You know, like once the dude said, hey,

01:14:39.180 I'm not for this, like everybody around him knows, you know what I mean? It's like, okay,

01:14:43.260 this guy's already, this guy's right off the bat. He's a liability.

01:14:46.220 My dad was a firefighter for 20 years. He was a lieutenant in Chicago.

01:14:49.260 And I remember when I was little, he said, uh, cause he works with the cops all the time.

01:14:53.020 Every time he goes out, cops are going to show up and he's like, man, you do not want to be a cop.

01:14:58.380 They give these guys shitty hours. They get shitty pay and they have to deal with the worst human

01:15:04.300 beings you could even think of. And he's like, you don't even understand how bad it is.

01:15:07.340 And he was like, one time I saw a guy just break and start screaming at some old lady

01:15:10.300 for jaywalking. And I'm like, I get it. You know, the things you have to deal with all day

01:15:15.900 with like a guy beating his wife, a guy abusing his kids, someone selling drugs to kids. And then

01:15:21.660 finally you're just tired. You're exhausted. You walk out and then some old lady jaywalks in the

01:15:26.140 middle of a crime scene and you just snap. And he's like, some people can't handle it.

01:15:30.300 Not that one of the greatest lines in the movie was in training day. He said,

01:15:33.740 you like being a cop. He's like, should have been a fireman. It's like, it's like every cop

01:15:37.740 who's watching that movie, he's a hundred percent. You know, with all the humor that's around cops

01:15:41.820 and firefighters, we actually do have great working relationships, at least most of the time.

01:15:45.420 Filming, New York for some reason, but the firefighters and cops get along great.

01:15:49.500 I remember I used, I was, I was busting the chops on some of our firefighters this same week,

01:15:54.220 same street fire department gets called out to a house fire. We used to call them the slab

01:15:58.300 savers because they're not saving the house. They're saving the neighbor's house. Yeah.

01:16:02.300 Your house is done. So this house, you know, it's toast. It burns to the ground.

01:16:06.540 Later on that week, we get called to a house party where the family calls because, you know,

01:16:10.300 uncle Johnny, right, is just out of control and he's drunk. So we get there to deal with

01:16:14.220 the problem. The family doesn't want to deal with. And in the course of bringing this guy out,

01:16:17.420 there's a fight. We land on the coffee table, break the coffee table.

01:16:21.100 Who's paying for this complaints put against us. It's like sometimes the firefighters,

01:16:25.740 you guys literally let a house burn to the ground and everybody's calling you heroes.

01:16:30.700 We break the coffee table and they want our badges.

01:16:34.460 I'll tell you a story. This is, I'm not going to name the cops, but this, this happened when I was

01:16:39.900 a rookie and we were, um, our, our, our sector was the projects in South Philly. Woman gets robbed,

01:16:46.620 guy comes up, she's with her baby in a stroller. Okay. Guy puts a gun to her face, give it up,

01:16:53.580 takes her purse. The cops get there. They chase after the dude. He's hopping fences. Okay. I'm

01:17:00.220 going through like the alleyways. They catch up to him. They try to pull him down. He's trying to

01:17:04.380 hop like a concrete wall fence in the backyard and the backyards are like 10 by 10. And, um,

01:17:11.500 they pull them down. And as they're pulling them down, the gun comes out. He starts going for the

01:17:15.260 gun. Well, the cops, as he's trying to get the gun, one cop trying to pull his arm back,

01:17:19.820 the other cops, give him a couple of shots, which, I mean, I think if you're trying to pull a gun out

01:17:23.980 and all I'm doing is, you know, hitting you, if you're that cop or something, it's not that big of

01:17:27.660 a deal. So they get the gun, they lock the guy up and he's got like a welt under his eye or whatever.

01:17:33.260 They take them back out to have the female ideal. So when the cops do that, um, the female IDs them

01:17:40.220 and okay, good. They're putting them in the car. And the female comes up to him and says,

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01:18:45.740 What happened to his face? They're like, well, he's trying to pull a gun out on us. And you know,

01:18:49.980 we, we had to, you know, go hands on with him. Did you have to hit him that hard? And I'm going,

01:18:55.740 I remember hearing that and I'm like, what did, so I said to the guy, I'm like, what did she just say?

01:19:00.300 He's like, yeah, he's like kind of welcomed it down here. I'm like, she just had a gun put in

01:19:04.060 in her face with her baby. The guy tried to pull a gun on you and they're mad, but that is the least

01:19:09.340 amount of force you can probably use. And the cops were fine clearly, but that's the thanks you get.

01:19:14.780 Like you almost got shot. That's the thanks you get. And then, then you wonder why sometimes cops

01:19:19.340 have these mentalities.

01:19:20.220 I just, as, as, as a very much aside, uh, one of my favorite cop stories is me and my, uh,

01:19:25.580 brother were parked in, uh, down in Chicago and we were pulling out when a taxi comes

01:19:33.660 and going, probably going like 15, 90 that fast, but we're, we're pulling out stopped.

01:19:37.820 It's clear the cab comes out from the lane to the left to try and shoot through before we pull out,

01:19:43.180 hits the side of my brother's car. And so we're just like, what are you doing? Like you, you merged

01:19:48.620 from the left lane into the right as we were turning out and hit us. And he goes, you hit me,

01:19:51.980 you, you turned into me. And we were like, are you kidding? And then it's like, I'm going to the

01:19:55.580 police. And he jumps in his car and we're like, okay, I guess we're going to follow him to the

01:19:59.020 police station. We go to the police station and there's this, uh, fat black female cop working

01:20:04.140 the desk or like whatever's in the front. And he runs up and goes, they hit me. And she's like,

01:20:08.460 whoa, calm down. And we're like, no, no, no, no. We were pulling out. And then she goes, stop.

01:20:12.620 She instantly pulls two little, little cars out from the counter. Like, and she's like,

01:20:17.260 what happened? And so the guy claims he was driving straight and we turned out in front of

01:20:21.900 him, hitting him. And then we're like, we told, we told her what happened. And we're like, we're

01:20:27.340 turning left to come out of this parking space. He comes in the left lane to try and cut through

01:20:32.060 traffic. Maybe not realizing we're there hitting the front of the car. And then he starts yelling,

01:20:35.900 no. And then she just looks at him and she goes, and I was like, oh, this is, this is going great.

01:20:42.140 And then she basically told him to screw off, took her information down, said,

01:20:46.140 you're going to have to pay them for the damages or whatever. But that was just funny interaction.

01:20:49.420 I remember where it's like, the way to stop it is have it, write it as a report. And then when

01:20:53.660 they falsify it, you lock them off or falsify it. That, that used to be the other thing too.

01:20:57.580 People come in with bogus complaints. Well, before, if you came in with a bogus complaint,

01:21:01.420 I don't mean like a mistake. I mean, like you're just going to get this cop in trouble

01:21:04.700 before it used to be, you know, you can get, you know, this, this is a false fire police report.

01:21:10.780 They don't do that anymore. Well, we, there was a incident I was involved in famously 12 years ago

01:21:16.060 during occupy wall street. There was a guy named Alex Arbuckle who, uh, said he felt that the police

01:21:22.620 weren't getting a proper, uh, report that there wasn't a proper perspective from the police's

01:21:26.540 view on the occupy protests. Everything that was coming out was all about the police were bad.

01:21:30.460 The police were doing this. So he's like, I'm going to go down there and document what the police are

01:21:33.980 doing from their perspective of why they're arresting people. Unfortunately for this guy,

01:21:38.780 he was standing on the sidewalk legally taking photographs when a cop walks up and arrests him.

01:21:45.260 And, uh, the arresting officer, I guess, hands it off to another officer who falsifies a police

01:21:50.860 report saying he was standing in the middle of the street, obstructing a roadway. He wasn't

01:21:54.940 the national lawyers guild found, uh, uh, found my live stream footage of the incident, which proved

01:22:01.180 that not only was he not in the street, but that the police multiple officers had fabricated the

01:22:06.060 incident and fabricated the report. And they actually ended up discovering this evidence

01:22:10.540 after the fact, after the police officer already testified falsely under oath and nothing,

01:22:16.060 nothing better happened to these cops. They never got any reprimand or anything.

01:22:18.780 They said, ah, you caught us trying to imprison a guy for no reason. Okay. He's free to go. And that

01:22:22.620 was it. And the problem is if you're going to fabricate that, what, what, what else,

01:22:26.300 what are you really going to fabricate when you have to, and that's why those guys should have

01:22:30.460 instantly been done. Those careers should have been done. Every investigation should have been

01:22:35.420 looked into. And it's, I mean, honestly, the problem, as much as the effects are felt by the

01:22:43.580 communities, when the police arrive and stuff, it's all about who's being elected and who's,

01:22:48.700 who's actually in positions to decide what the policy for this, for the police is. And it does,

01:22:55.100 because I'm sure if you look into these guys that are protected, you're probably going to find some

01:22:59.820 form of nepotism or friendship or connection, something that protects them.

01:23:04.540 What if we were to separate, what if we were to break up policing into different areas? Like when

01:23:09.820 you've got civil, civil versus criminal enforcement, when you've got, uh, the people who handle giving

01:23:15.340 out speeding tickets should not be the same people who are responding to guys beating their wives and

01:23:18.620 things like that, like completely separate departments funded differently. That way you don't

01:23:23.420 run into instances where if it comes to a protest, you have general generic cop. And the reason

01:23:29.660 I say this is because when you guys tell a story of a guy's beating his wife and you have to go to,

01:23:34.140 to save her, there should never be a circumstance where people conflate. The guy's going to save

01:23:39.180 a baby from a burning building or like, you know, or from someone like a deranged drug addict with

01:23:45.180 a guy who was arresting a protester. And then they say, oh, you falsely arrested a protest. You're

01:23:48.700 violating my rights. These should be separated.

01:23:50.940 So I'll disagree with this because what we need to do is make sure the caliber of people we're

01:23:57.500 hiring are the best of the best, because you're supposed to be able to handle all those circumstances

01:24:03.580 and do all of them well. That's 90% of police work. You're a secretary with a gun. But the reason

01:24:10.940 you get those good benefits and that good pay is so when that 10% call comes, you have the ability,

01:24:16.460 the training, the experience to handle it the proper way. I don't think NYPD gives a good pay.

01:24:21.260 So, oh, that's the other thing that I've, that I've heard because in California, I mean,

01:24:25.980 $26,000. No, no, no, that can't be right. Not kidding. That can't be right.

01:24:29.820 Starting salary for a police officer in New York is a 26 K. There's there's a year there. So

01:24:39.260 it could be, there's, there's three different salary estimates. One as high as 55, one as low as 26.

01:24:44.060 I do know that, uh, okay. NYC.gov now says 55. Okay. So if you, that's still disgusting,

01:24:50.860 you can't live in New York. You couldn't live in a closet. And what made me look into this because

01:24:55.660 back at Louisiana guy, I was like, this guy was already a cop for like a year or something.

01:24:59.500 And I remember I went to look what, and I realized that there's a lot of states.

01:25:03.260 Someone needs to tell the NYPD that wall street is in New York. Well, there's a lot of

01:25:09.340 cops that are getting paid what security guards get paid. And I'm sorry, this is where I'll tell the

01:25:13.740 public. You get what you pay for it. Yep. Yeah. And you're a cop and you're making

01:25:17.340 that's gas station sushi. If you're making, if you're getting top tier benefits and you're

01:25:21.820 making $160,000 as a year as a detective, you ain't fabricating nothing because there's no

01:25:26.940 criminal that's worth your career and your pension. And NYPD, uh, and this is probably true in many

01:25:31.820 cities. They'll moonlight as security because they need to make the extra money. So you have,

01:25:36.140 you have in this city, uh, during occupy, I think it was 28. I think a cop actually told me that

01:25:41.100 that they're like 28 K to start, but this was 10 years ago. Now, apparently it's 58.

01:25:45.260 But the important thing I think we need to point out is the corruption of New York city cannot be

01:25:50.460 understated. When I was looking up the whole Jon Stewart property tax stuff, I looked up California,

01:25:57.020 Los Angeles. There's a house listed at a hundred million dollars in Beverly Hills tax assessment,

01:26:02.220 90 million. Oh, that makes sense. Tax assessor came in and said, this is a $90 million property.

01:26:05.980 They went, okay. Person who owned it said, well, I want to sell it for a hundred million.

01:26:09.180 Totally fine. In New York, the city said Jon Stewart's penthouse was 1.8 million. He had

01:26:15.900 bought it for six, sold it for 17.5. All of these ultra rich people are doing this real estate game

01:26:23.500 in New York where they know the real value of the penthouses, but the city drops the value down to

01:26:27.900 some fabricated 10% number. I mean, this is a problem. Jon Stewart had the city claim his property

01:26:32.860 was worth 10% what it really was. So he didn't have to pay his actual tax rate, which should have been

01:26:38.540 10, 10 times more. And that money could go to proper funding of police, proper funding of,

01:26:44.540 of everything. They don't do it despite, and what do they do instead? City income tax,

01:26:49.820 giving New York city the, I believe the highest income tax rate with city, state, and federal,

01:26:54.060 but the ultra rich who own the properties and trade them amongst each other pay property tax on

01:26:58.700 as if it was only worth 10% what it was. It's a shame. Cause I want to like Jon Stewart,

01:27:01.820 cause I have a lot of respect for what he did down nine 11. Absolutely.

01:27:05.740 For all the, all the first responders. I mean, he was all buried. He was like in tears. I had a lot

01:27:09.420 of, I still respect that. I'm not going to take that away from him, but it's like, man,

01:27:13.340 you went a long way from that to this, you know, but there's so much circular corruption too, because

01:27:18.060 the same people that are doing those assessments are the same people that work with the city

01:27:21.420 attorneys that work with the commissioner's office. Like it's all the people that are supposed

01:27:26.380 to audit and, and check all these things. They're all in the loop of this corruption.

01:27:30.220 I don't know how familiar you guys are with Sal Greco. Um, he was let go because of his connection,

01:27:34.700 his friendship with Roger stone. They made all these other issues. He was working with NYPD as

01:27:38.540 well, but he talks about this, uh, like bar restaurant there known as concert Frito.

01:27:43.660 And you have all these politicians and corrupt people that are going there where you have a

01:27:48.060 criminal that owns it. It, it, it, all these violations of city ordinances and all this stuff,

01:27:52.460 and nobody does anything about it. Why? Because of the connection that's there, but you have all

01:27:56.620 these, it sounds like a Rico case. I was saying this back in 2020 that we should be funding police,

01:28:02.540 not defunding. Like if the issue is they think cops are doing bad jobs. I'm like,

01:28:06.540 it sounds like you need better training and you need better pay. It sounds like you need a higher

01:28:09.660 quality cut. Like, it's like you guys, you get what you pay for. You're buying gas station sushi.

01:28:13.260 Don't be surprised if you get, you know, you're going to run to the bathroom afterwards and you're

01:28:16.060 thrown up a little bit. You, you put more money into it. You get better training,

01:28:20.620 more frequent training. You get a higher quality individuals with just whatever standard you can

01:28:27.580 increase. You're going to have a better outcome. I don't disagree, Tim, but the circle back to what

01:28:31.340 Phil said earlier, they did that in Atlanta, Georgia, and they tried bomb what they tried

01:28:34.780 knocking down the building or whatever they're protesting. So even when you give them, I know,

01:28:39.420 it's not, but look, look, look at the reaction to, Hey, we're going to do a massive police training.

01:28:44.540 They, they, the left uses a manipulative tactic of all cops are bad. Aha. See this one bad incident.

01:28:51.100 This proves it. And then when they're like, let's fund the police, they know they're losing. So

01:28:56.060 what do they do? They fire bomb it right now. Now that exposes them. But to who we know this,

01:29:02.460 the news doesn't really cover a whole lot of it. Like we know that. I suppose the issue is we don't

01:29:07.420 have a federal government. That's actually the federal government's on their side. You mean like

01:29:11.100 bombing a police building? People don't go to jail? And we're, we set up, we, we create recipes

01:29:17.660 for disaster. If you go, and I would say probably 95% of the agencies in this country, you have guys

01:29:23.820 that are working the night shift, 12 hour shifts. They're going on at 6 PM. They're getting off at

01:29:27.100 6 AM now, because maybe they're one of the ones that do write traffic tickets. Cause I didn't do it

01:29:31.260 either. Now they got to be back at court at 10, 10 30. And you know, court process sucks. So they're

01:29:36.540 at court till one, one 15, two o'clock. They make it home at three, sleep for two hours,

01:29:40.700 get dressed and they're back on the job. And that's where they make their money.

01:29:43.260 They're two or three days into this. And then all of a sudden they're presented with the scenario,

01:29:49.100 you know, shoot, don't shoot, you know, strike, don't strike. Does that cop have the mentality,

01:29:55.500 the rest to make the best decision in that situation? Chances are probably not.

01:29:59.740 So when it comes to, you mentioned not having a ticket book, even this means that you have to use

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01:30:08.700 Well, for motor vehicle code, you can for motor vehicle code. You can. Yeah. Is that what you're

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01:31:40.140 Time for that and you, you overlook it or something. Is that?

01:31:43.580 Oh yeah.

01:31:43.980 Oh, there's a lot of times you're on, you know, petty crimes is what we'll call them.

01:31:48.380 And a hot call goes out, you know, a life threatening one, a priority call,

01:31:51.580 and you're clearing that scene.

01:31:52.540 Yeah. We had a guy doing a car stop before it turned into a live stop, which is basically

01:31:55.740 the car's getting towed because maybe the, the, the driver didn't have insurance or expired

01:32:00.540 registration, whatever, but suspended license, whatever it may be. So the cops on that and he's

01:32:05.580 doing a live stop and, um, three or four blocks. It was about three blocks away. All of a sudden you

01:32:12.620 hear foot pursuit. Um, they come over with a priority. These cops are chasing a guy with a gun.

01:32:17.660 All right. Shot was fired too. All right. By the bad guy. That cop stat on that live stop.

01:32:23.100 And I guess a sergeant drove by and saw it and he read him the riot act. And he was like, well,

01:32:28.220 it was a lifestyle. I couldn't just leave. He's like, you have two cops. One, they just got shot

01:32:31.340 at. They're two, three blocks, three blocks away. They're yelling foot pursuit shots fired.

01:32:35.580 You're sitting on a, and guess why that guy, he heard it from everybody. So, but I mean that now,

01:32:40.700 clearly that that's one of those ones where that should have been a very easy call, leave the car,

01:32:45.980 take the keys. So they came and drive away.

01:32:47.740 Something that's in the world of what you're talking about too, Tim is, and I don't know if

01:32:50.780 this is where you're going to, but there's, there's also the letter of the law versus the

01:32:53.740 spirit of the law. You know, and that's where we get a lot of discretion, but this is also,

01:32:57.820 and this may be unpopular with a lot of my brothers and sisters that wear the badge still.

01:33:01.660 We shouldn't be hiring cops at 21. You, you haven't had enough life experience to understand

01:33:06.460 the part of spirit of the law. Yeah.

01:33:08.060 And a situation that cops have to recognize is there's a lot of authority that comes with this job.

01:33:13.180 I mean, you, you, the community is giving you authority to take life at some point or to put

01:33:17.420 somebody's name on paper, which is going to affect the rest of their life.

01:33:20.780 There's, there's a couple of circumstances I want to ask you guys about. Uh, the first one I've brought

01:33:23.420 up on the show quite a bit is, uh, in new in Philadelphia, in Pennsylvania, they've got pretty

01:33:28.380 good gun laws. You know, you can conceal care. You get your permit. Uh, Atlantic city is about 45

01:33:32.940 minutes to the east of Philadelphia. This, uh, woman who was in her, I believe she was in her

01:33:37.900 sixties is a story I heard from a gun shop owner.

01:33:39.980 You're right. I know where you're going with it. Yeah. She, she drives from PA. She's going

01:33:44.620 to Atlantic city. She gets pulled over a couple of miles over the bridge. And when the cop walks

01:33:48.780 up to the car, she says, you know, I'm, I'm a good person doing the right thing. So the officer,

01:33:51.660 I just want to let you know that I have my concealed carry with me. And he said, oh, can you come out

01:33:55.100 of the vehicle? And she goes, sure. He's like, can you show me your, your, the weapon? And she says,

01:33:58.060 yes, I have it right here. And I have my concealed carry permit. He said, okay, put your hands behind

01:34:00.940 your back. You're under arrest. It's a felony arrested her and threatened her with, you know,

01:34:04.860 four to eight years or whatever in prison. The, the general consensus from the people in Jersey

01:34:09.820 at the time, like the gun store owner is that this is what I, and I agree with assessment,

01:34:13.580 but I don't know if it's, you know, this is what they told me. And these are guys who were

01:34:15.900 like former cops in the area. They said he should have just told her to ma'am, get back in the car.

01:34:19.820 I'm going to drive you back across a bridge, leave that at home and come back to Atlantic city.

01:34:23.500 That's a felony. Is that something that you guys like, I mean, you're, you're, you're a Philly cop.

01:34:28.300 Is that something that I don't, I can't speak for Jersey, but is that something you could do?

01:34:33.900 I'm doing it. I mean, you're asking me a question. I'm doing it. I've been,

01:34:38.060 it's like a 60 year old woman who's being polite. She's got to pay.

01:34:41.820 That's one of those calls where, cause I'm with you, I'm doing it now on the other end of it.

01:34:45.980 If somebody gets wind of it, is there going to be policy violations that I'm going to be

01:34:49.820 subjected to? Doomed. But that's why I get five in two seconds before I put that woman in cover.

01:34:54.780 You gotta be able to look yourself in the mirror.

01:34:57.820 And honestly, I did not become a cop to lock people up because of a mistake,

01:35:02.380 because they passed the, quote, Johnny Depp from blow. You know, what did I do? I crossed

01:35:06.780 an imaginary line and it's like, and that's, that's kind of what happened. It was a mistake.

01:35:10.380 I get the laws. I do not agree with them. If you're there to enforce them, not, you know,

01:35:14.700 you're not the judicial branch, but how does that help anybody? And I think part of the law is

01:35:19.660 mens rea actus rea, right? The guilty mind, the guilty act. Was there a guilty mind here? No,

01:35:24.620 she didn't mean to do it. Oh no, I'm not going to lock her up. I didn't say this. Let's say a known

01:35:29.660 drug dealer who is, you know, who just got out of prison, has a concealed gun, crosses over and

01:35:36.620 gets pulled over. And he's got a, he's got a warrant related to drug charges. And he informs

01:35:41.900 the cop, I have a gun. Then I think, yes, put him in cuffs immediately. You say, you are a criminal,

01:35:45.900 you're wanted for a crime and you're carrying a weapon that that's reasonable. Some old lady who was

01:35:50.620 going to gamble in Atlantic city who didn't understand she couldn't do that. And she thought

01:35:53.660 her permit was good is a turnaround, ma'am. Don't do this again, because we all get in trouble.

01:35:58.060 There was another instance in Illinois where a woman came up from, uh, Tennessee, I believe,

01:36:03.260 and she had a revolver of some sort and a concealed carry. She was a tourist visiting family. And she

01:36:07.660 went to the Sears tower. I will never call that thing, the Willis tower. And when she was holding

01:36:12.140 it. Yeah. They call it Willis. Cause a company bought the rights or whatever. Cause Sears is like

01:36:15.900 breaking apart. That's your own town. So yeah, no, it's Sears tower. And it'll always be because

01:36:19.900 we don't like change, you know, we're, but anyway, uh, this woman, she was going up to the sky deck

01:36:24.860 or whatever it's called. That might be Johnny. I don't know. She was going up to the top floor

01:36:27.420 to look out the window and they have security protocol. And she said, oh, I just want to let

01:36:31.980 you know, I have my weapon with me. And they were like, oh, can you show us you're under arrest,

01:36:36.300 ma'am? She got four years. I believe, I believe they locked her up and she was like 65 or something.

01:36:40.940 Now, now, now, hold on. The reason I bring up this scenario is it's a bit different.

01:36:44.860 She's in a large skyscraper building. There are cops everywhere. It's not a situation where they

01:36:50.940 could easily say, ma'am, turn around, get in your car and go home. No, she's hundreds of miles from

01:36:54.220 home and there's no quick way to leave Illinois with that weapon. What, what could a cop do in

01:36:59.740 that circumstance other than arrest her? Could you just simply say we're confiscating the weapon?

01:37:03.740 She, you don't even have to confiscate it. You can have her surrender it to law enforcement.

01:37:08.380 They can keep it in safekeeping and then find a way to get it back home. Like you, there's,

01:37:13.100 there's ways to, you can get mailed your own handgun. If it is, if it is already in your name,

01:37:17.420 you can have it mailed. You actually have to send it to an FFL. So that way they can run to the legal

01:37:21.580 way to do it. They'll send it to an FFL. I don't believe if it's already, if it's already in your

01:37:26.060 name, I don't think promise through the mail, everybody's going to have, because any, because

01:37:30.300 anytime you send a gun to do anything, like if you, anytime I send any, any of my guns out to go get

01:37:34.940 any worked on them. And when I get it back, I have to get it back sent to the gun.

01:37:39.740 No, see in Pennsylvania, it wasn't like that. So I had a, I had a problem with a gun. I had to send

01:37:43.340 it back to Smith and Wesson. I sent it fed. I get to send it a certain way. I don't think it can go

01:37:47.580 ground. I think it has to go air or whatever. They sent it back to my address with, um, like back

01:37:54.060 air. I had to sign for it, but I didn't have to go to an FFL.

01:37:56.460 It might be that you're a police officer or something.

01:37:59.100 Nope. I didn't say anything about it. It was a private weapon.

01:38:01.020 I mean, PA is pretty good gun laws.

01:38:02.700 I believe I, if it is my understanding that this is a federal law. And so I'm, I'm going

01:38:08.380 to tell you what my understanding is only. I'm not going to argue about what, what, what did

01:38:12.460 or did not happen. I got to lock myself up.

01:38:13.900 My understanding, my understanding is anytime you take possession of it, anytime you give your

01:38:18.540 firearm away, anytime you take possession from a, of a firearm from a gunsmith or anything,

01:38:23.340 um, if it was out of your possession, you need to file a 4473 because it is possible that

01:38:29.100 during the time that you did not have the, the firearm, you committed an act that would

01:38:33.420 make you in, uh, I prohibited and make you a prohibited person. And then you, then they

01:38:38.700 would have to go ahead and pop on the next check.

01:38:40.140 I got an idea. I got, I can, I've solved all of it just now, just in my head on the badge

01:38:45.740 of every officer nationwide, there will be a, a, a number and that's your, your approval

01:38:52.460 rating among the public. So they'll, they'll rate you in real time on an app.

01:38:55.980 It's a Yelp.

01:38:57.180 Then, you know, when you get a cop who's got like a score of like a 100%, it's like,

01:39:00.300 he's going to let me do whatever, whatever I want. He's going to be like, just give me five

01:39:03.260 stars and you can go deal drugs. I don't care. I'm going to, uh, then, but, but, uh, the main

01:39:08.700 point I'm bringing up is like a certain reality is like, when I was talking about internet reviews,

01:39:14.300 like there's very rare circumstances where I believe a cop could find himself as being happy with

01:39:19.580 like the person in front of him being happy. Like, I mean, maybe you're getting a cat out of a tree

01:39:23.900 or something. And the old lady's like, wow, thank you so much. But typically the person you're

01:39:27.580 interacting with, I imagine as someone who's doing bad things, who's mad at you.

01:39:30.140 Yeah. Yeah. If you're not saving people's lives, the people are going to be mad at you.

01:39:35.020 Well, so, but it's, it's gotta be what, like 98% of the, of the, of the interactions you have

01:39:40.700 with people are due to them doing something wrong. Especially dispatch two calls, you know,

01:39:44.380 99% of the calls that people are calling 9-1-1 is because that is the most traumatic

01:39:49.820 day of their life to where the only remedy is calling 9-1-1. So it's starting off already from

01:39:55.500 the negative and then you got to get there and resolve it. So what do we do? How do we solve?

01:40:01.820 Uh, well, I think it's not even a real question. I think the, you know, my, my initial question was

01:40:07.180 going to be something pertaining to solving the issue of, you know, negative view of policing and

01:40:12.780 all this stuff. I think the real issue is communists are intentionally trying to destroy

01:40:16.660 the institution, frame every possible interaction as the worst thing in the world, only ever highlight

01:40:22.140 the worst possible interactions. And there's not an equally organized force on the right to

01:40:26.540 highlight the important and good actions of police officers. It's an entire culture change that

01:40:30.920 has to take place. First on law enforcement, people need to understand at the rank and file

01:40:35.240 level, you know, when, when they were first talking about body cameras coming out and all

01:40:39.080 you heard on the media is cops are against it, cops are against it. No, we weren't. We, we love

01:40:43.400 the idea of body cameras because it's no longer, you're not taking my word for it anymore. When the

01:40:47.480 citizen says, Hey, that cop, you know, MF me, that entire traffic stop, you know, we would

01:40:51.960 self-record, you know, other recorders to prove because all body cameras do is they, they save us

01:40:57.800 from these allegations. And then with that is, and I say that to say this transparency,

01:41:03.480 like as an agency, just have complete transparency because then there's no question about it. If,

01:41:08.920 if citizens, and granted there are stipulations to that, you know, child crimes, sexual assault

01:41:13.560 crimes, but outside of those, you know, specific scenarios, if somebody wants information, pay the

01:41:17.960 cost of the copy, give them the report, let people have it. So this way there's no suspicion because

01:41:23.240 even a good call, when you make it so hard for people to get the information, people automatically

01:41:27.880 defer to the thought process of what are they trying to hide? Yeah. And then on the other side

01:41:31.400 of that is we need, because media mainstream media is always going to highlight the negative,

01:41:36.360 the bad shoots, the bad use of force. We need alternative media to bring the good stories to

01:41:41.720 light the, the stories that mainstream media is never going to share to start changing the culture

01:41:46.360 of how people see law enforcement. And then, but the other thing too, is law enforcement,

01:41:49.640 the one thing I had a good chief and he, you saw us house. Why do we do these good things?

01:41:54.280 Why do we go above and beyond? And he goes, cause we've got to build credit with the city

01:41:57.560 because at some point we're going to make a mistake. We're human. And when we make that mistake,

01:42:01.160 this, this line of, you know, credit that we have with the community, they're going to be

01:42:04.840 understanding right now, especially with the lockdowns and the law enforcement, you know,

01:42:10.040 enforcement of those policies, we've expired all the credit that we've had as law enforcement

01:42:14.600 as a nation and cops right now need to just be willing to do the right thing.

01:42:19.240 Even if it's going to cost them their job, because the community is not going to accept

01:42:23.480 anything else right now. There's a story out of New York state. Uh, they found body parts,

01:42:29.720 blood guts. They found the body parts scattered around long Island. They found the blood and guts

01:42:33.640 in this house. And they were, I believe it was four people and they were released. They said they're

01:42:37.800 not bond. It's not bond eligible. This crime that they committed because of the new, uh, uh,

01:42:42.200 bail reforms. Anna Kasparini, the young Turks went off and she was like, if this is what it means to

01:42:46.760 be on the left, I am not on the left anymore. This is insane. Jank of the young Turks was like,

01:42:50.200 no, no, no one on the left wants this. That's not true. It's not true. Immediately following

01:42:55.720 a bunch of leftists came out and said that Anna was engaged in propaganda,

01:42:59.640 yeah, supporting police. And it's like, there's, it, it, it's, it's almost illogical.

01:43:06.520 Like it's a brain rot. Like certainly no sane person, even in, even in the Soviet union and

01:43:12.280 in whatever communist country they dream of living in, they arrested people like crazy.

01:43:17.000 I mean, the, the story that I'll have to cite from Solzhenitsyn is the, uh, uh, the,

01:43:20.840 it was one of the red army guys is about to be stabbed. So he stabs the guy killing him.

01:43:25.960 And they said, you should have fled. Like they, they would arrest everybody.

01:43:31.960 What is this world they live in where they're like, no one should get arrested no matter what,

01:43:35.160 even if they have corpses in their own home. I feel like with some people, it's like,

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01:43:42.920 lies. I think that's a, that's a problem too. I mean, do they actually believe it? Maybe they

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01:45:18.920 Anyway, you were going to say something.

01:45:19.960 Um, I, I don't remember what it wasn't. Um, but the, the, the whole thing with, with the left,

01:45:26.120 they do want like the breakdown of these institutions. They don't believe that police

01:45:33.000 are good ever. And obviously that, I mean, that can't be right. This is what I'll say to the people

01:45:39.880 that even entertain that thought because we've danced with the devil, our entire careers.

01:45:45.320 There are people out there that are not like us. Yes. They don't have humanity like us and they are

01:45:51.960 chomping at the bit to be able to go and do what their brains want to do, knowing that no one's going

01:45:57.960 to be there to hold them accountable. There are people there that will do the worst things to children,

01:46:03.160 the worst things to the elderly. There are people that will kill without remorse.

01:46:07.480 There is pure evil out there. If you've done this job long enough, you just look at people like I have

01:46:11.480 no idea. The only thing keeping that threat as bay is the fact that they know that there's men and

01:46:16.040 women out there that are hunting them down. But there's also the, the issue that I think we're

01:46:19.400 seeing and my bigger concerns over the past few years, the evil people have been doing everything

01:46:23.800 in their power to replace good cops with evil cops. Oh, it's a plan and it's working. Unfortunately.

01:46:28.840 Yeah, it is. I agree. Did you see the video out of, I think it was out of Seattle,

01:46:33.640 a squad car pulls up to a red light and the activists are screaming and yelling. And then

01:46:37.880 the cop goes, you win, you win. I quit. I'm done. I'm leaving the force. And they're like,

01:46:41.560 yay. And they're cheering for it. And then I watch a video, you know, a year or so later,

01:46:46.360 Antifa is threatening a guy who's backing with his hands up and the cops jump out of the car and grab

01:46:50.360 the victim and arrest them. It's like they, they, and then apologize to Antifa saying, sorry about that,

01:46:55.320 ma'am. It's like, they've gotten to the point where they have found people who are either

01:46:59.480 ideologically aligned or I don't know, got dollar signs in their eyes. And it's like,

01:47:05.000 I'll do whatever you say for a paycheck. So the cops who are actually like, I want my

01:47:09.560 neighborhood to be better have like, no way I can't do this. And this is why I think the only

01:47:13.800 solution to this is you just have to get rid of municipalities and, and, and just move to straight

01:47:19.240 sheriff's department. Well, but even in that, in that instance, I mean, with a sheriff who's elected,

01:47:23.880 he's a politician, I think you still run into, let's say you have an incident where

01:47:30.520 a guy goes to pull a weapon. Maybe there's like a pipe on the ground and the guy grabs it,

01:47:34.520 swings at the cop, the cop backs up and then says, stop. And then the guy swings,

01:47:38.920 the cop falls down and then just puts a bolt in the guy's chest. The pipe falls down. He says,

01:47:43.800 the guy was swinging a pipe at me. They say, what pipe? What are you talking about? And then the sheriff

01:47:47.480 goes, look, man, it looks really bad. And I believe you, but no one's going to believe you. And it's

01:47:53.160 bad for my reelection. So I'm just going to get rid of you. And so the way to get ahead of that is

01:47:57.080 one, put body cameras on all of us. You know, I was sure most cops are not against body cameras.

01:48:03.080 And here's the other thing. And I do not understand why agencies don't do this.

01:48:06.920 Why do we wait 30, 60, 90 days before body footage comes out that tells a true story?

01:48:12.920 Yeah, that's insane. The George Floyd photo should have released that day.

01:48:16.680 Instantly release it. Get ahead of the narrative. But I, it, you let that narrative run away and it

01:48:21.480 catches fire. You're not recovering from that. But the corruption that happened after that,

01:48:25.160 I'm sorry, the medical examiner, what did he say? Something like, this is the kind of stuff

01:48:29.240 when I end people's careers or something like that. He said, because they found out,

01:48:33.320 I guess he was saying that it wasn't, I'm sorry, the medical examiner saying this is from

01:48:37.400 fentanyl or something like that. Well, the medical exam examiner said that it was

01:48:43.000 compression of the neck resulting in asphyxiation or whatever, but he did have lethal amounts of

01:48:48.040 fentanyl and nor fentanyl and marijuana and amphetamines and nicotine in his system. And he

01:48:53.800 had COVID by the way. And so it's funny because, you know, I wonder like, I mean, this legitimately,

01:48:59.960 if the COVID played a role in his, his, his inability to breathe, I certainly think the fentanyl

01:49:03.880 played a role in all that stuff. And, but they said, you know, uh, asphyxiation complicating,

01:49:08.680 blah, blah, blah, or something. But the real issue with George Floyd is, you know, look,

01:49:12.600 let's, that's fine. I'm not going to argue the medical examiner stuff, by all means,

01:49:15.240 the medical examiner said that, but he's on camera saying, take me out of the car,

01:49:18.920 put me on the ground, put me on the ground, put me on the ground. He's resisting. The craziest

01:49:23.080 thing to me about the George Floyd case was that the, uh, the prosecution's own witness

01:49:28.840 testified that Derek Chauvin was entitled under their, their use of force policy

01:49:33.560 to escalate to a taser and chose to use a lesser means of force, which is, uh, uh, that this,

01:49:40.120 that the training book they have shows a guy kneeling on the back of the neck like that.

01:49:43.000 We're on the, on the top around the neck area. That's there's like a training book. They showed

01:49:46.840 that they actually said in the four use of force continuum, like, well, based on George Floyd

01:49:51.360 resisting and saying, take me out of the car, he was entitled to actually tase the guy.

01:49:54.760 He chose not to do that. They still convicted him. And it's, it's fairly obvious why

01:49:58.360 there's guys outside with bricks threatening to kill anybody who acquits

01:50:03.240 Derek Chauvin. I think everybody's a little guilty in this one. I'm no fan of Chauvin. I,

01:50:07.120 I do believe that George Floyd having the drugs in them. I think, yeah, but this was, we all knew

01:50:12.360 there was going to be zero due process. But let me ask you guys real quick. One of the cops who

01:50:18.320 recently got sentenced to like some ridiculous amount of time, all he was doing was standing

01:50:22.260 in front of the crowd with his hands up and they said, you're an accomplice to murder. So they locked

01:50:25.820 him up too. Part of the problem here is, is people don't realize the media's telling you what to

01:50:30.760 think. And here's a perfect example. We all know the unfortunate shooting that happened with the

01:50:34.480 Kansas city chiefs, uh, a few weeks ago at the super bowl. If you go through and look at the video,

01:50:39.140 there's a picture where they got one of the suspects down and guess where the cop has his knee.

01:50:43.340 Exact placement.

01:50:44.640 And nobody's complaining about it. Why? Because that's something we've been told where they're

01:50:50.460 heroes. This is a heroic thing. It's people don't understand how much that they're being told what

01:50:56.060 to think. I had a boxing coach that told me this, we're talking about fights. He goes, who do you think

01:51:00.400 won the fight? And I, I told him and it lined up with, you know, what the score card and what the

01:51:04.320 announcers and everybody was saying, he goes, go back and watch the fight. He goes, but just have your

01:51:09.080 TV on mute. And then tell me who watched it, who won the fight. And, and that principle applies to all

01:51:14.400 this as well. I think is if you watch something without people telling you what to think and then develop

01:51:19.540 your opinion and then see what the narrative is, you're going to be able to identify, Hey, what's going on.

01:51:24.480 And when you guys look for it, the scene looks like, it looks like they're already on the outside

01:51:27.620 where there's like a telephone pole, group of people that are walking and there's a couple of

01:51:31.980 cops around. You'll see one that has his knee on the back of the guy's shoulder. And that goes back

01:51:36.300 to what you were saying earlier too. Who are the people giving the commentary? Usually people have

01:51:39.600 no clue about what they're talking, what they're talking about. Not only, not only do they have no

01:51:45.000 clue, but they're skilled at talking as if they're, you know, talking as they do this kind of stuff

01:51:52.060 regularly. So they're skilled at painting a narrative and they've got images that are already going to

01:51:58.080 back up the narrative that they want to go ahead and push forward. And then maybe you edit tape.

01:52:03.040 Do you always see one part? It wasn't this one, was it? It looks, it looks like it. I don't know if you can

01:52:08.900 make it bigger, but that does look like the one. Oh yeah. I don't know. He's on his side. I think

01:52:13.740 it looks like there was those more people around it too. Yeah. Every, so what do you guys think

01:52:20.220 about the idea of every police officer requiring, requiring every police officer to achieve at least

01:52:25.700 a blue belt in jujitsu or at least some, maybe not a blue belt, maybe, but at least training to know

01:52:31.960 how to interact with someone physically, because a lot of times police officers don't know how to safely

01:52:39.000 interact with someone physically. And then there's fear. And if you're in, if you're not confident

01:52:43.980 that you can do something, you know, it would have to be specific training. Cause here's the thing.

01:52:47.820 If you learn jujitsu, you know, like, you know, the shrimping technique that they teach you, right.

01:52:52.300 Try doing that with this, with the Sam Brown on and a gun and a holster and all this stuff. It ain't

01:52:56.220 going to work. So you would have to have some type of ground fighting that is specifically designed

01:53:02.240 off of what these guys in men and women are wearing. Like you would have to have something like that.

01:53:06.160 But the other thing too, is we have to have a standard in law enforcement. How many times have

01:53:12.320 you seen a cop that's 360 pounds? Oh yeah. If I'm going to fight for my life, you know,

01:53:17.760 with the suspect on the other side of a six foot brick wall, this dude ain't going to jump over

01:53:21.800 the wall to save me. There, there needs to be, you know, we have incentives for being healthy.

01:53:28.360 It needs to be removed is, Hey, every year, this is the job you chose. This is the fitness standard.

01:53:33.340 But in major cities, how many people are they going to lose? Have you hacked? I, I totally

01:53:37.000 agree with you. I mean, I'm getting older. It ain't easier, but you, you keep yourself

01:53:42.160 in decent shape. I'm fine with adjusting it to age, but there needs to be respectable.

01:53:47.820 I think the bigger issue is it's not even about, can the, can the guy have your back? But you

01:53:51.560 know, what if you're chasing down a suspect, your partner is overweight. The suspect then

01:53:55.840 leaps up a multi-story building, shocking you, you make your way to the top and the guy blinks

01:54:00.580 with his, with his eyeballs blink sideways and the, and then pulls out some alien device

01:54:05.380 and the other cop who shows up later because he's too fat. And then you end up trying to

01:54:09.760 tell your, your boss that the guy was blinking and they're like, how come no one else saw

01:54:14.200 this? And you're like, cause they're all fat. And then, and then, and then what happens

01:54:17.580 is some guy from some government agency comes to recruit you and lets you know that the

01:54:20.660 thing we're chasing was a cephalopod. Does anybody get that reference?

01:54:23.780 Men in black? Yeah. Yeah. I believe he told him to get on the treadmill for 10 minutes

01:54:29.940 or something. Yeah. Yeah. Will Smith chases down the alien, but the other guy was too fat

01:54:32.940 to keep up. The side blink is what through. The side blink. Oh yeah. Okay. I remember

01:54:36.200 that. I just think there, there needs to be an overhaul in law enforcement, but not in the

01:54:42.200 way that these Soros organizations are pushing. Yeah. You know, there, there's training that needs

01:54:47.280 to take place. Like out in Southern California, where we came from, I'll give credit to our agencies

01:54:52.320 out there. Our, our weapons training, our hands-on training is a bar none. It is really good. I

01:54:59.840 mean, I'll give our agency credit this. We do the point where we're shooting out of cars

01:55:04.000 and into cars to see what it's like, you know, but a lot of, but a lot of agencies aren't

01:55:08.860 going to do that because you, you get hit with some shrapnel or something you're dealing with,

01:55:13.240 you know, workers comp issues, but you need that. In Brazil, they build fake favelas. So favela

01:55:20.320 is like a shanty town. And the way, the way it happens in Brazil is that poor people just

01:55:24.600 build wherever they want to build and there's no enforcement. So these favelas, and sometimes

01:55:30.040 to get to your house, you walk through someone's house because they just build wherever they

01:55:34.040 can. Sometimes it rains and these things just crumble and slide down the mountain. So

01:55:38.680 the pathways, there's no straight sidewalks. There's no like street names. It's just narrow

01:55:43.160 corridors. So the police actually built a mock version of favelas so that they could train

01:55:47.740 properly it with, it was cool. I went to this place, they called it the city of police

01:55:51.560 and I guess cop cities what they're building in Atlanta in it. We went into a fake favela

01:55:56.820 that was built just like it. And you're climbing the, the cop that I was there. It was, it was

01:56:01.040 a lot of fun. He's like, you have to be trained properly to be able to deal with what it's

01:56:05.680 like to be in this favela. And so he's like, look, if someone's running through here and

01:56:09.480 you have, you have close quarters combat. And then I said, what happened? You know, he's

01:56:13.060 like, sometimes they'll jump up and climb up. We get to this one point of the building

01:56:16.780 where we're about seven feet up. And because you'll walk up because it's just a hill and

01:56:22.440 they're built randomly. And then I'm like, what do you do in the, when the guy like jumps

01:56:25.760 from the building and then the cop smiles and he just jumps down. And then he's like,

01:56:30.360 we go after him. I'm like, cause these guys are ripped. They're like, they all train for

01:56:34.240 this. And then I, I did like a wall, like I slid down the wall and then he gave me a high

01:56:39.000 five. I was like, yeah, like, but it was cool because these cops who are training for this

01:56:44.360 environment have to be physically fit to handle this environment. I feel like in the U S there's

01:56:50.260 no expectation of, of physical requirement at least. Here's one of the reasons you, cause people

01:56:55.920 say, well, why do you, why do you want these cops to be so physically fit? Because that may be the

01:57:00.640 result of why you end up using use of force. A scenario I had, I was probably about two years,

01:57:04.960 two and a half years on the job, get into a pursuit, dude crashes into the house, flees from the

01:57:08.640 vehicle, foot chases on, and it's in a neighboring city. So I'm not too familiar with the streets

01:57:12.540 that are out here, but I'm giving out, you know, the information as best I can. He starts jumping

01:57:15.980 fences. I'm jumping fences with them. All of a sudden I pull out the taser, give him the tase.

01:57:21.400 He does a crocodile roll, defeats the taser. I go to click the radio to let them know where I'm at.

01:57:27.220 And I do this radio's gone. I don't know. I don't know where it's at. Me and this guy. Now it's a

01:57:34.320 physical fight in somebody's backyard. Wow. I can hear the sirens. Everybody's looking for me.

01:57:39.920 Homeowner comes out. Here's this commotion. Cause it's the middle of the night. He's like,

01:57:42.340 what the hell? I go, I'm the cops called 911 and tell him where I'm at. But I'm fighting with this

01:57:47.520 guy, probably close to two and a half, three minutes. So if I'm not in the physical shape

01:57:52.280 that I am to do that and he starts to get the better of me, you're done. You're dead.

01:57:56.280 Probably know what's he probably going to do to avoid being dead. It's probably going to turn into

01:57:59.920 lethal force. And that's, you can't fight. You go to the quickest way out. That's one of the

01:58:04.200 things that's something that I want to point out here. Like it is suit. Like you mentioned,

01:58:08.260 like people said, you know, why do you want to have a cop? That's so big. And why do you want

01:58:13.280 to have a car? Or why do you want to be physically fit? Because I want them confident because I want

01:58:17.900 them to be competent. I want them to know going into the situation that they're in control,

01:58:24.200 that they're not going to be overpowered. I want them to know that when they get there and if they

01:58:29.340 have to interact, they're in a position where they know how to interact, even if it's physically,

01:58:34.320 that's part of the reason why I brought up jujitsu is because I want them to know how to control the

01:58:38.740 body. I want the biggest damn cop you could possibly imagine coming when I say I need a cop

01:58:46.340 and I don't want to be fat. I want him to be Arnold Schwarzenegger.

01:58:48.880 But you're making too much sense now.

01:58:50.620 But that's the point. And one more thing that I want to point out, this goes to the fact that the

01:58:58.400 average person doesn't know anything about violence. They don't know anything about guns.

01:59:02.520 They don't know anything about these things. And then they want to go ahead and complain and say,

01:59:05.640 oh, well, you can't do this and you can't do that. My brother, you have never put hands on

01:59:09.000 another human being and you've never put hands on another human being that's larger than you.

01:59:12.660 Let me take it a step further with that. And as a cop, and this is what I would ask trainees when I

01:59:17.340 was training them. When you realize there's a difference between somebody who's fighting you to get away

01:59:22.560 and somebody who's fighting to hurt you or kill you. And when you realize that the person you're

01:59:28.320 fighting with is not trying to get away, but they want to take you out, there is something mentally

01:59:33.480 that changes in that scenario. And if you are not built for that, this is going to be a lot of

01:59:38.080 trouble.

01:59:38.360 How about RoboCops? Just those Boston Dynamics drone cops?

01:59:42.720 They're called state troopers.

01:59:46.880 I'm getting pulled over on the way back.

01:59:48.400 Yes, you are. And you ain't getting out of that ticket.

01:59:50.880 No, I got friends out of it, but it is fun.

01:59:52.560 I think most people say no to this, but we've seen those Boston Dynamics humanoid robots.

01:59:56.960 There's now a bunch of different versions, but the Boston Dynamics ones are actually super agile.

02:00:01.140 What do you think it would look like if, and they've already started implementing RoboCops.

02:00:06.540 They have like stupid, like this little cone that patrols and stuff and can yell at you or something

02:00:11.160 like that. Doesn't do much. They've, uh, they've already deployed, I believe the robot dogs to

02:00:15.820 assist. What do you think it would, it would be like, here's the danger, bad with a RoboCop.

02:00:20.880 Here's the danger. Remember that call I told you as a young cop that I regretted because I put

02:00:24.780 myself in danger. You, you have a RoboCop or a cyborg cop or something like that. And it's fed that

02:00:31.060 scenario. That cop is, you know, that RoboCop is shooting that suspect every single time.

02:00:36.120 Now in that situation, it worked out. The guy was unarmed, but in other situations where

02:00:41.080 that, the, the, you know, the quote unquote math of that scenario is run, you're going to have

02:00:45.080 people that are being killed that don't need to be killed. There's a human element that's in a cop.

02:00:49.780 And this is why I said, we don't need cops at 21.

02:00:51.420 A machine does not have discretion. It can't pick, it doesn't have.

02:00:54.220 There's, there's something that's in you. I've been in three shootings as a cop,

02:00:58.240 like where they're actually shooting at me. There's things that happen in the job.

02:01:03.220 Were you shooting back?

02:01:04.280 Yeah, I survived.

02:01:05.280 That's a gunfight.

02:01:05.680 That's a gunfight. I survived. I definitely survived.

02:01:07.980 Um, but there's stuff that's internally built in you that you can't teach on paper.

02:01:13.920 It's just when you're, when you're cops, you just know when someone has it and when someone

02:01:18.000 doesn't, and you can't, you can't program that.

02:01:20.660 Let's, let's, let's grab what we have. We have a few minutes left. So let's just talk about

02:01:24.420 the misconception of bringing a knife to a gunfight. I, I, you hear that saying never bring a knife

02:01:29.560 to a gunfight. And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure if you're in close quarters, you don't want

02:01:32.460 to bring a gun to a knife fight. But for a lot of people who don't understand, they

02:01:36.740 think, oh, shoot for one, shoot the knife out of his hand, or he only had a knife. He

02:01:41.640 didn't have a gun, but you guys, you're trained for this. Can you explain to people the serious

02:01:46.000 nature of what a knife really means?

02:01:47.780 It's the 21 foot rule.

02:01:49.020 I think they increased it at 26 feet now too, but we always known it.

02:01:52.020 Oh, because people are getting fatter.

02:01:55.340 I forget what the, I forget what the, it starts with a W. I forget what the rule is, but it's

02:02:00.020 a 21 foot rule where they basically have an, uh, some of the average person is 20 feet

02:02:06.360 away, 21 feet away from a police officer. It takes that, that is the distance it takes

02:02:11.220 for a police officer to draw his weapon and fire a shot. So they use that as a 21 foot

02:02:15.960 rule. Anything that's closer, they consider like the red area. And then if he's further

02:02:19.620 away, I guess you have yellow and then, you know, whatever, but no, I mean, it's the truth.

02:02:24.560 And I can tell you right now, I think it's supposed to be like 1.5 seconds. I'm, I'm pretty

02:02:29.020 sure that's what it's supposed to be. I can teach him people to shoot. I can tell you

02:02:32.520 right now, 95% of people cannot pull their gun out of their holes and have an accurate

02:02:37.000 shot in 1.5 seconds.

02:02:38.020 But that opens up a good thing on, and I always tell people go to use of force science because

02:02:42.440 when people are, why'd the cops shoot them in the back? And it's, I believe it's, it's

02:02:45.760 what it's perceive plan react. And there's a time that goes into that. So when a suspect

02:02:50.500 pulls out a gun facing you and you, you unholster, you know, you, you're going to put

02:02:55.200 shots on target, but now he spun around. Well, now those rounds are landing in the

02:02:59.180 back and people just don't understand that there's a timing to that.

02:03:02.020 Well, there was that, there was that, I think it was Atlanta where they, the far left

02:03:05.280 burned down the Wendy's. It was, the guy was drunk, fell asleep in the, in the car,

02:03:09.240 in the driveway. When they, when the guy, the guy stole the taser and then turned to

02:03:13.920 shoot at him. And when they shot at him, they were like, you were shooting in the back

02:03:17.120 or something like that. But I'm like, it's kind of wild because it's like tasers can be

02:03:20.660 lethal. The left argues that tasers can kill people. Then when a guy steals a

02:03:25.520 taser and tries to shoot at a cop, they're like, he only had a taser.

02:03:28.360 If you've ever been tased. And that's, this is one of the reasons they make us get

02:03:31.700 tased is to understand how much it incapacitates you. And if you're a cop and

02:03:35.920 a bad guy pulls out a taser and he incapacitates you, well, now he has access

02:03:39.820 to every single one.

02:03:40.620 We had to get tased going in. That took two years off my life.

02:03:43.460 The average person needs to understand that, like, and I, because of the fact that I

02:03:47.660 carry a gun, when you have a gun, be it a police officer or someone else, if there

02:03:53.120 is a chance of you losing consciousness, you have to treat that as if you are going

02:03:58.160 to die.

02:03:58.840 That's what people don't understand.

02:04:00.300 A police officer has his gun. If he's getting choked out, he must use lethal force

02:04:06.200 to not be choked out and not lose control of that gun. Because not only could the

02:04:10.100 police officer die, that means that the person has a weapon that's loaded with a

02:04:13.880 whole lot of bullets and everybody around is in danger.

02:04:16.760 Now, if you're a, if you're a private citizen and you're carrying a gun, this is

02:04:20.560 why you are obligated to deescalate. You don't go to the gun to intimidate. You

02:04:26.280 are obligated to deescalate and get yourself out of there. The best gun fight is the

02:04:31.140 one that doesn't happen.

02:04:32.320 The best fight, the best fight, a hundred percent. Absolutely. The best fight is the

02:04:35.080 one that doesn't happen. You should always be deescalating, especially if you

02:04:38.660 carry a weapon, particularly if you carry a gun.

02:04:40.800 It's much easier if you're counting. I carry all the time, too. It's much easier to walk

02:04:44.000 away from a fight when you have a gun because you have that responsibility and

02:04:47.240 you're like, all right, just, I don't, I don't, I don't need to. I just don't need

02:04:50.520 to.

02:04:50.940 Yeah. I mean, look, man, even it, cause if you get into a gunfight or you, you have

02:04:55.060 to use your gun, right? It's going to cost you 50 to a hundred thousand dollars to

02:04:59.380 keep you out of jail. If you did every single thing, right. And people don't realize,

02:05:04.780 but the use of force is like a light switch for, especially for citizens. You can be in

02:05:11.100 a confrontation and it can be, okay, now it's acceptable to use force and then something

02:05:16.200 happened. And then it literally, if someone's watching you, it's no longer acceptable to

02:05:20.860 use force. And then again, in the same interaction, it can go back to being acceptable because when

02:05:25.740 you get shot, if someone goes down, the reason they go down is because the blood pressure

02:05:29.720 lowers. When you lay down, comes back, the blood pressure comes back. So you shoot someone,

02:05:33.900 when they go down, it's like, okay, you think the threat's over, right? Well, guess what?

02:05:37.920 Homeboy just got a one up and now he's getting up and he's going to shoot at you again. So

02:05:42.560 these, and these are things that people that don't go to classes about guns that don't,

02:05:46.700 that have never been in a physical interaction, whether it be an actual fight or going to jujitsu

02:05:50.740 and some kind of martial arts, people don't have any kind of relationship with violence.

02:05:54.320 They don't understand it. And then they go ahead and they say, well, cops are bad because

02:05:57.920 man, that guy, you know, died in this interaction. It's like, well, what do you know about

02:06:01.620 the interaction? It's very tough to talk to anybody who hasn't.

02:06:03.900 In any kind of physical, physical confrontation, let alone a gun fight. I mean, anybody who's

02:06:09.540 been in a shooting will tell you, you don't even hear the weapon. Barely. You barely hear

02:06:13.360 the weapon go off. You get tunnel vision. You forget things. I mean, there's a lot going

02:06:17.700 on and you're asking someone, then you have a jury of your peers. I'm being respectful,

02:06:21.680 but I mean, are they really my peers? How many people in this jury have been involved in

02:06:25.760 something like this where they can go? I sympathize because I understand what he went

02:06:29.080 through. I've never been in war conflict. I've been in urban conflict, been shot at

02:06:35.760 several times. And there's this thing that I've experienced. I don't know if everyone

02:06:39.760 experiences this, but they say time slows down. And what it actually feels like is

02:06:43.700 for me, when I was in Ferguson, they started shooting at us, two instances of getting shot

02:06:50.140 at. The first one, as soon as I heard a whip crack, which like basically means the

02:06:54.520 bullets very close. I just body slammed myself. I didn't try to like dive or roll. I just fell

02:07:00.740 straight to the ground, launched myself onto the pavement. Any damage to my hands is better

02:07:06.260 than a bullet to the back of the head. But the way I describe it is it's like normally

02:07:11.940 when I'm looking at something, I'm focused on it. Now I have my peripheral vision and I

02:07:15.640 could kind of focus on that, but you can sort of see as soon as the gunshot is heard, it

02:07:20.340 feels like my entire field of vision is a focal, is the focal point as if I'm processing all the

02:07:26.200 information, everything I can see at once. I feel like the reason it seems like time slows down

02:07:30.600 is because the adrenaline surge, your brain starts processing all of the information at once.

02:07:36.980 So it like 100 times the information feels like time slower. It's actually just,

02:07:42.200 so I don't know. That's just, there's a lot going on the body when a shooting happens.

02:07:46.640 They break down the physiology. Three shootings that I was in, all completely different experiences

02:07:52.460 aside from the different scenarios, like the experiences, like the first one, my ability

02:07:57.420 to hear was enhanced. Like even when the suspect was in the back of the house and there was a glass

02:08:02.720 break, like I even said, oh, the rear slider towards this side of the house, like you're that

02:08:06.400 in tune. I had another one where the guy's shooting at me during a pursuit and I could,

02:08:10.640 this one was, like you said, everything slowed down. I could literally see the rounds hitting the street

02:08:15.980 and then sparking, hitting the hood of my car, sparking. So it's a different experience for

02:08:20.440 all of them. But the other thing that happens is your body, your body shuts down everything it

02:08:24.420 doesn't need and pumps that blood and oxygen to the things that it does need. So there's this,

02:08:29.540 there's a lot that's going on in these things. I describe it as like when you're in the cold,

02:08:32.460 what's the first things to get cold? Hands and feet. Your body doesn't need them. It goes to the

02:08:36.180 organs. So the same thing, if you're, if you're involved in a shooting, it shuts your ears down

02:08:40.360 and your vision becomes so enhanced. The problem is it becomes tunnel most of the time, but your

02:08:44.740 vision becomes enhanced because if it sees that gun, this is what it starts to say.

02:08:49.520 We're about, we're about at time. Is there any final thoughts you guys wanted to have before we

02:08:52.440 wrap up? Two things that I'll say is the, the vast majority of your rank and file people out there

02:08:58.300 are good cops that will die for a stranger. And I hope people don't lose focus of that. And then the

02:09:03.400 second thing that I'll say is if you're self-censoring, you already lost the fight. People need to stop

02:09:08.280 censoring and put it out there. First amendment doesn't have an asterisk next to it. And then

02:09:12.960 shout out to the suspendables and badlands. No, I agree with everything you just said. And

02:09:17.920 you have the backbone. I mean, like I said, if you can go, if you can do bad things and go home and

02:09:22.000 look in the mirror, that that's a problem. But if you can do things that, you know, you're probably

02:09:26.220 gonna get in trouble for, but they're the right things. When I say in trouble, I mean, you're not

02:09:30.080 becoming, as you would say, a bootlicker, then, you know, you're doing the right thing. And if you

02:09:34.320 don't mind, Tim, just the shout out to Joe Cooney and Philadelphia SWAT team.

02:09:38.280 Yeah. Joe had about a golf ball size tumor removed from his head. Um, so we have a GoFundMe, uh, for

02:09:45.100 him and just go on Google at, uh, under Cooney strong, Joe Cooney from the SWAT team. Um, he's

02:09:50.580 got five kids and a wife, so he's going to need some help while he's on the mend. Do you guys have

02:09:55.200 social media you want to mention? Yeah. People want to check out my podcast on rumble, the alpha

02:09:59.760 warrior show, or get in the trenches of the information war with me on X and it's X alpha warrior X.

02:10:04.440 Right on. I try to stay off social media. I got in trouble the last time, so I'm just

02:10:07.480 trying to stay off. I know everybody who's listening to me saying the same thing.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - March 29, 2024

The Culture War #57 Abolish The Police Or Back The Blue w⧸ Christian Fenico & Alfredo Luna

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