The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #58 The Steven Crowder Divorce Saga & Media Manipulation w⧸Sean Actual Justice Warrior & Ari Jacob

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00:00:58.140 So in the past week or so, we got this big e-drama story about Stephen Crowder, a former employee,

00:01:05.720 his ex-wife, their divorce, and oh boy, the debate was raging.

00:01:09.360 But I think there's a lot of underlying issues in the media landscape, in general divorce and culture,

00:01:16.260 that has led to a lot of conversations around who is right and who is wrong.

00:01:20.680 And I also think there's an interesting drama element to how the independent media machine operates,

00:01:26.240 but how this lends itself to the future of media in general.

00:01:29.980 So the question being, of course, that this former employer, employee of Stephen Crowder, Jared,

00:01:36.160 had asked for lots of money because he was being legally abused.

00:01:40.400 Crowder, of course, hasn't.

00:01:42.320 I don't believe Crowder has actually spoken to it, but there has been a bigger conversation about

00:01:48.340 how you could be under NDA while actually breaking the NDA and raising money.

00:01:52.800 And I don't want to say too much because I want to start from the beginning of the story

00:01:55.540 without just introing, you know, the whole story.

00:01:58.460 But then, of course, I think there's an interesting conversation around how divorce works,

00:02:02.460 how the drama that we're seeing lends itself to the larger culture around divorce and relationships.

00:02:08.040 But then even beyond that, media manipulation, because, of course, there's also stuff we can talk about

00:02:13.360 pertaining to Daily Wire and Candace Owens.

00:02:15.080 So we're going to talk about independent media landscape, NDAs, media manipulation,

00:02:19.540 and a lot more around this.

00:02:22.020 I don't want to say too much.

00:02:22.680 I don't want to say we have a couple of guests.

00:02:24.220 Would you like to introduce yourself first?

00:02:25.580 Sure.

00:02:25.940 My name is Ariadna Jacob.

00:02:27.560 You can call me Ari.

00:02:29.020 I am a former talent agent.

00:02:31.200 I represented probably some people you guys don't know, Charlie D'Amelio and Addison Rae,

00:02:35.940 but they make about, you know, several, probably $10 million a year or more.

00:02:41.620 And I represented, I worked with Canelo Alvarez, The Boxer, all sorts of different celebrities.

00:02:47.480 And I have been in sort of social media for a very, very long time, back since like MySpace days.

00:02:53.740 You were also involved in a lawsuit?

00:02:57.000 Yeah.

00:02:57.160 So I kind of famously sued Taylor Lorenz and the New York Times for defamation because I had a very successful talent agency.

00:03:06.260 And I was destroyed with a libelous article by Taylor.

00:03:11.440 And she was represented by the talent agency that took all my clients when, you know what I'm saying?

00:03:18.340 So it was a conflict of interest.

00:03:19.500 So I'm aware of this media world and also I negotiated dozens of contracts, but now I am doing my own content.

00:03:29.140 So you can find me at littlemissjacob.com.

00:03:32.520 I actually made the website on the way over here on the airplane.

00:03:36.100 Oh, cool.

00:03:36.700 And finally, we have the same birthday, by the way, March 9th.

00:03:39.980 Really?

00:03:40.300 So yeah, that's kind of cool, right?

00:03:41.560 That's a good birthday.

00:03:42.260 Yeah.

00:03:42.700 It is the peak of Pisces.

00:03:44.120 Really?

00:03:44.500 Yeah.

00:03:44.660 So if you're into astrology, that means something, I guess.

00:03:46.460 I love that.

00:03:47.020 Well, yeah, good vibes because we have the same birthday.

00:03:50.040 Right on.

00:03:50.980 So happy belated birthday, by the way.

00:03:53.040 I mean, it was a month ago.

00:03:55.100 Look, I haven't seen you in like six months or maybe a year.

00:03:58.660 Yeah, I'm a YouTuber.

00:03:59.880 I have a channel, Actual Justice Warrior.

00:04:01.720 I cover like legal issues, mostly criminal issues.

00:04:04.800 But I got interested in this particular thing based on, you know, what's going on behind the scenes in different media companies and whatnot.

00:04:12.320 You can basically find me there or on my website, actualjusticewarrior.com.

00:04:15.940 All the links and all that, that's easy to find.

00:04:18.380 But I'm looking forward to getting into this topic.

00:04:21.440 Yeah, I think what's – I'm not so much interested in the minutia of Stephen Crowder's daily life and, you know, his arguments.

00:04:29.180 But outside of this, you've got this alleged extortion scheme where Jared Monroe, his former employee, is claiming he's being legally abused.

00:04:39.460 Crowder says that he teamed up with his ex-wife and they're going after him.

00:04:41.980 But there's like a bigger picture here in terms of we've got the Taylor Loren story.

00:04:47.420 They're sneaky, underhanded.

00:04:48.680 I mean, that sounds downright like intentionally anti-competitive.

00:04:53.240 You then have what appears to be a business dispute between Crowder and a former employee where the former employee – I don't know.

00:05:00.160 Maybe I'm biased, but this is what I see.

00:05:01.740 Teams up with the guy's ex-wife.

00:05:03.040 There's no reason for a former employee to make contact with the guy's ex-wife when he's in a business dispute with him.

00:05:07.620 I think any lawyer would be like, yeah, don't do that because it looks really bad.

00:05:11.520 And then, of course, later on we can probably talk about Daily Wire, Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro.

00:05:15.800 There's been a lot of drama around there.

00:05:17.300 But let's start, I suppose, with what happened with Stephen Crowder.

00:05:21.440 Does either one of you want to intro the drama around this?

00:05:26.100 You want me to do it?

00:05:27.100 Yeah.

00:05:27.680 So a couple – maybe a week ago, a week and a half ago, Jared Monroe drops a video where he says that he had all these problems with Stephen Crowder.

00:05:35.220 And during the course of that video, he cites legal abuse.

00:05:39.760 He says that he was served a cease and desist and a Rule 202 petition dating back to October.

00:05:44.980 And this was a time period where different news articles were dropping about Stephen Crowder that quoted anonymous sources.

00:05:50.660 So, like, you know, the timeline kind of makes sense for that.

00:05:52.960 And then he also claimed – and this is, like, one of the things that I'm interested in – is that Stephen basically forced him or strongly coerced him into signing a non-disparagement agreement based on the idea that he was going to take his social media account, his Twitter account,

00:06:09.040 and that he wanted a carve-out to work at another third company after he left Crowder because of a non-solicitation clause.

00:06:16.700 And supposedly, again, we don't have the documentation from Jared to be 100% fair.

00:06:21.520 He was then blackballed later from that very company.

00:06:25.000 So he ended up out of media for about two years.

00:06:27.760 And then over time, like, you know, he's – you know, it's, like, been building up kind of thing.

00:06:32.060 And this was his, like, opportunity to strike back at Crowder, which, you know, is a time where he is vulnerable.

00:06:37.340 So he was raising money to pay off his previous legal bills, plus he said file a counter motion but fight the presumed lawsuit that he was going to get in and try to get out of his NDA.

00:06:48.000 Oh, man, I'm – I'm just right off the bat disgusted by that.

00:06:54.240 He's in a business dispute, so he starts – he teams up with the guy's wife who he's currently in divorce proceedings with?

00:07:00.760 And I –

00:07:02.620 I mean, that's alleged by the Crowder team.

00:07:05.640 Like, we do have some messages from him to the wife.

00:07:09.060 But, like, the team up – like, I did a thing where I broke down all of the screenshots that they showed.

00:07:14.740 There's, like, a lot that is on the page that they didn't read to you.

00:07:18.100 And there's also a lot of missing contacts there.

00:07:19.960 And I would just say, like, Crowder's wife, who unfortunately we have to talk about to a certain extent, but I agree with you.

00:07:27.140 I don't want to get into his personal divorce.

00:07:29.240 They were – she was involved in the company.

00:07:31.700 From what everybody says, Crowder runs a family business.

00:07:34.540 Jared didn't have a problem with her.

00:07:35.980 But assuming he had a problem with Steven, which obvious, like, why would he be filing a complaint unless he had a problem with him?

00:07:41.240 But got along with her.

00:07:42.460 Him reaching out to her after he finds out that she got a divorce is, like, a normal, like, thing just to say, hey, how are you doing and all that.

00:07:49.860 But, like, this, like, grand Hillary conspiracy, I do not think they have sufficiently proven that.

00:07:56.360 So, I think it's important to, like, understand what Jared said in his video.

00:08:01.460 Because, to be honest, I had just done some research about the whole Daily Wire and Steven Crowder thing.

00:08:08.980 I wasn't really – I was just interested in it based on the fact that Candace left Daily Wire and all this stuff.

00:08:13.540 So, I'm like, maybe people need to understand kind of how these deals work.

00:08:16.580 I mean, there's a famous spat that happened with Dave Portnoy and Alex Cooper when she left.

00:08:23.680 They basically found her, built up her podcast, and then the girls, you know, went to L.A. and talked to Logan Paul.

00:08:30.540 And they're all saying, oh, you got a really bad deal.

00:08:33.780 Was it a bad deal?

00:08:34.880 They were getting paid, like, 100 grand a year plus some bonuses.

00:08:38.720 I think they ended up making, like, 500 grand a year.

00:08:40.440 But, so, you know, there's been – things like this have happened in the past where a talent feels like, you know, they've grown with the company and they're not getting compensated.

00:08:49.800 So, that's how I got interested in it.

00:08:51.560 This is why there are, quote, unquote, bad deals.

00:08:56.220 And I don't know if there's any way to actually navigate this, right?

00:08:59.540 So, I don't know too much about the David Portnoy podcast deal.

00:09:03.420 What did you say the woman's name was?

00:09:04.660 Her name's Alex Cooper.

00:09:06.140 Alex Cooper.

00:09:06.540 But, you know, she had four episodes done.

00:09:09.460 She had, like, 12,000 downloads, I think.

00:09:11.820 And then when it got to Barstool, then it was 2 million downloads.

00:09:15.880 So, arguably, if she never went –

00:09:18.300 It was a great deal.

00:09:18.600 Yeah, it was a great deal.

00:09:19.600 So, that's the issue, right?

00:09:21.380 Someone like Portnoy or anyone at Barstool sees a podcast that's not really that big and they say, we're going to pay you 100 grand, which is a guaranteed loss for Barstool and Portnoy.

00:09:31.900 Like, we work here.

00:09:33.580 We make podcasts.

00:09:34.540 We do this.

00:09:35.240 I guarantee you 12,000 downloads.

00:09:37.020 He's just basically saying, I will write you a check and give you my money.

00:09:40.960 Then she succeeds.

00:09:42.240 His bet paid off.

00:09:43.640 And then they immediately go, I have a bad deal and I'm leaving.

00:09:46.320 That's not right.

00:09:47.240 So, that's kind of why I was interested in it.

00:09:49.500 And then, to be honest, I was kind of like, I don't know how I feel about, you know, Crowder releasing the deal points and all this stuff.

00:09:57.700 And, you know, at first I'm like, maybe that was done in bad form, whatever.

00:10:01.340 I didn't know the background of the whole situation.

00:10:03.160 And I think I had seen the leaked tape of Crowder, the Rumble, or sorry, the ring cam footage.

00:10:10.260 But I did think it was weird that Yashar Ali leaked that footage.

00:10:14.720 Do you know who Yashar Ali is?

00:10:15.480 Of course.

00:10:16.240 Right.

00:10:16.420 I don't think a lot of people know who he is, but he worked for the Hillary campaign.

00:10:21.220 Then he worked for Newsom.

00:10:25.000 Then he, I guess, slept on Kathy Griffin's couch and was evicted.

00:10:28.780 And then he owes the Getty family heir, like $200,000.

00:10:32.900 So, I mean, this is like a serial grifter.

00:10:34.920 Well, I don't see how you could ignore that.

00:10:38.580 Like, clearly Hillary gave the footage to him.

00:10:40.780 I mean, that's the logical assumption.

00:10:42.800 In the court documents, the family has admitted to giving the footage to the journalist, like Ali.

00:10:50.680 And Hillary has denied it, like in, at least in testimony.

00:10:54.560 So, wait, wait, the family has admitted it?

00:10:56.700 Yeah, I'm 99.9% sure the Hillary clan has admitted to turning over the footage to the reporter.

00:11:04.080 So, when you take a look at the statements that were released in the Crowder versus Monroe lawsuit,

00:11:09.280 that they're trying to damage him publicly to force him into unfavorable divorce terms.

00:11:14.980 And then you find out that they leaked footage to a far-left media personality,

00:11:19.700 who, of course, is going to attack Crowder.

00:11:22.460 And then you've got Jared meeting up with them.

00:11:24.580 You've got him in statements saying,

00:11:27.080 when we team up, it's his worst nightmare,

00:11:29.220 saying things like, I don't want him near his kids.

00:11:32.320 I think it's fairly obvious that Crowder's right on this.

00:11:34.300 They're using a PR strategy to win a divorce settlement.

00:11:39.040 Here's what people don't understand.

00:11:41.440 I was just going to say, see, I actually went through all these documents

00:11:44.920 and these statements where supposedly they're doing that.

00:11:48.740 And what's interesting about the email, the first thing that they showed,

00:11:52.080 or actually the second email that they showed,

00:11:53.880 which I actually printed up old school right here,

00:11:55.980 is that if you read it, it's actually Hillary's father,

00:11:59.800 what you call it, crowdfunding.

00:12:01.980 I'm not crowdfunding, sorry.

00:12:02.960 I don't know why I freaking see Jared's crowdfunding.

00:12:05.380 It's Hillary's father summarizing what the lawyer told him.

00:12:08.920 Like, if you actually read at the top, not just the highlighted portions of it.

00:12:12.260 So, like, he's breaking down the seven points from the lawyer right there.

00:12:16.440 And at the bottom of that, what they're doing, which is not read by Gerald.

00:12:20.680 In fact, Gerald weirdly says they never talk about the kids.

00:12:23.740 It says that they like Hillary's plan of, like,

00:12:26.420 going with a public co-parenting narrative for Stephen

00:12:29.980 to try to settle the divorce quickly.

00:12:31.560 So are you saying the dad was going behind Hillary's back?

00:12:34.660 No, no, that's what they showed on Louder with Crowder, right?

00:12:38.100 Right.

00:12:38.340 But they highlighted certain portions of it.

00:12:40.800 I just, like, zoomed in and printed it out.

00:12:43.120 And it's just the father summarizing what the lawyer told him.

00:12:46.820 So, like, people are like, oh, this is Hillary's family's plan.

00:12:49.940 That's literally, like, just read the email.

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00:14:21.600 If you meet with a divorce lawyer and they tell you,

00:14:24.600 hey, here's how this normally goes,

00:14:26.800 and then you summarize the points and then somebody highlights a line or two lines from there

00:14:31.540 that make you look the absolute worst and alleged conspiracy that's not backed up by reality.

00:14:36.160 I also think that it's important for people to understand,

00:14:38.540 and I know this because it was offered to me when Taylor Lorenz wrote the article about me,

00:14:43.620 is that you can hire a law firm.

00:14:45.860 This happens, I think, I'm guessing mainly in Hollywood, but I'm sure it happens left, right wing, whoever it is.

00:14:52.480 You can hire a law firm and they will actually hire sort of their internal PR crisis people.

00:14:59.500 And those people can either launch a media campaign to help you kind of unravel something that,

00:15:08.080 you know, you stick your foot in something and they help you unwind it,

00:15:10.780 or they can start a PR campaign in order to put pressure on whoever,

00:15:16.720 you know, they work in side by side with the lawyers.

00:15:18.860 And what's interesting is that they charge about 20 grand a month,

00:15:21.920 and they also are hired by the law firm so that you actually are paying the law firm the 20 grand a month,

00:15:29.440 and they pay the PR people.

00:15:32.080 And guess what?

00:15:32.880 The PR people, because they work for the law firm,

00:15:34.900 they're under the same sort of, what is it called, attorney-client privilege.

00:15:39.580 So that is very interesting because if you're paying for those people,

00:15:43.480 which I don't know if they were or not, but it is very possible.

00:15:46.220 Now, Brian Friedman is UTA's lawyer.

00:15:49.480 So United Talent Agency is the talent agency that represents Taylor Lorenz.

00:15:53.480 And I believe that they were working together.

00:15:55.960 I actually know, a lot of people don't know this, but I sued UTA as well.

00:15:59.300 And Brian Friedman.

00:16:00.340 They suck.

00:16:01.240 Yeah.

00:16:01.860 Brian Friedman represented UTA.

00:16:04.560 And it's very weird because Taylor Lorenz was tweeting about me negatively

00:16:09.680 and when I had already filed the lawsuit about UTA,

00:16:12.220 guess who is retweeting Taylor?

00:16:15.480 Yashar Ali about me.

00:16:16.820 And I'm like, what does this guy know about me?

00:16:18.980 Like, why is he getting involved in this?

00:16:21.180 And so, while I agree that you don't want to do guilt by association,

00:16:25.720 you also have to recognize that this is a playbook a lot of times.

00:16:29.880 But I feel like you're kind of being obtuse on this.

00:16:33.000 This is him saying, we're being advised by a lawyer.

00:16:35.980 Yeah.

00:16:36.420 Then we know they sent footage to Yashar Ali.

00:16:39.180 So let's break this down for, you know, I don't want to be super esoteric here.

00:16:42.280 Or, like, try to make it as, yeah.

00:16:46.020 Anyway, videos of the ring footage, according to Crowder's lawsuit,

00:16:52.080 all the footage has been deleted in violation of court orders or something to that effect.

00:16:56.540 According to Crowder's complaint.

00:16:57.980 According to Crowder's complaint, for sure.

00:16:59.280 His company complaint.

00:17:00.440 Because remember, his company is also additionally suing his wife, her father, her best friend, and her wife.

00:17:07.280 And I think the likelihood that Crowder would present a false statement to the court is zero.

00:17:14.740 Having been involved in lawsuits like this, you don't do it.

00:17:17.200 Your opinions may be, are obviously, like, I throw this out the window when I'm reading these court documents.

00:17:24.140 Someone will say something like, it's at this point that the defendant made disparaging comments about me.

00:17:29.260 It's like, okay, well, you know, whether they did or didn't, we don't know for sure.

00:17:32.060 But the likelihood that he would submit to a court to a judge, they did false statement to fact.

00:17:38.660 I don't believe that.

00:17:40.180 In the initial civil complaint, there's always, like, weird stuff in there that, like, turns out to not be true.

00:17:45.820 Like, so I would think if she was ordered by the divorce court to preserve evidence and then she did not do that,

00:17:53.420 then you would think that there would be some admonishment by a judge.

00:17:56.380 No way.

00:17:57.620 Dude, I'm sorry if I'm a little frustrated on this one.

00:18:01.040 Because I've been involved in these lawsuits, the judges don't admonish.

00:18:03.920 Judges will admonish you if you're, like, people who are in the, I don't want to speak specifically to Crowder or Hillary's, I don't know.

00:18:12.600 But having been involved in this stuff, the judges look to the person with money, power, and no time, and they say,

00:18:19.260 I can squeeze you out and put an end to this.

00:18:21.120 The judges do that.

00:18:22.600 Because the judges don't want to be involved in these things.

00:18:24.920 And the people who are outside of these court proceedings seem to think that a judge is this impartial guy or lady who's like,

00:18:31.280 let me get to the bottom of this and find justice.

00:18:33.260 No.

00:18:33.800 The judges, because I've been involved in a bunch of these both personally and as, like, through stories, but also through people I know,

00:18:40.700 the judges are like, how do I make this case go away?

00:18:43.540 What do I have to do?

00:18:44.400 And so when you end up with an employee who files a lawsuit, the employee says, I have no money, I have nothing but time, I can do anything I want, and the judge can't do anything to me.

00:18:56.420 And the judge knows the guy who runs the company loses tens of thousands of dollars every hour he spends dealing with this.

00:19:02.920 So I can end this lawsuit, get this paperwork thrown in the trash, so long as I pressure the CEO and not the employee.

00:19:09.900 So in that capacity, I do not believe it would be likely that Crowder's company would submit a false statement to the court.

00:19:18.000 Right.

00:19:18.480 In that capacity.

00:19:19.840 Now, it may be exaggerated, perhaps something.

00:19:22.180 Maybe she accidentally deleted the footage.

00:19:24.180 Maybe she just, like, it was on a cycle to be deleted and she didn't preserve it.

00:19:28.120 I don't know what the exaggeration might be.

00:19:29.620 It's a big no-no in court, like, generally, to delete stuff.

00:19:32.460 I gotta tell you, having covered many of these stories, and my personal bias, having been involved in, like, three of them, it is insane that people think these courts want anything to do with justice and accountability.

00:19:46.240 But we do have other documents of other, like, issues that the judge has had, and Alex Jones, remember, had discovery, supposedly discovery issues, and the judge, like, that's a big thing.

00:19:57.080 So you would expect some kind of record, or at least the order to preserve, like, you could insert that in there.

00:20:02.500 Like, one of the problems I have with, again, the Louder with Crowder company complaint, because it's a separate lawsuit, like, I need to keep emphasizing that, is that they, first of all, Gerald in his video cites court documents, but it's him alleging it in court.

00:20:15.640 Like, just because I write something down and submit it to a court doesn't mean I'm not sourcing myself.

00:20:20.780 But then on top of that, they're not quote, they're quoting very selectively from these various different portions of the, of the, what you call, of the court when they have access to that documentation.

00:20:31.200 So, in order to preserve that, you know, in order to preserve, and then something to show that she violated that, totally fine.

00:20:37.800 Like, I'm not an expert on how ring footage works.

00:20:40.260 Here's the, here's, here's the issue I'm, we gotta start from the beginning, because the issue I'm having with the argument is, we know they gave the footage to Yashir Ali, a leftist, which is absolutely going to be publicity damage to Crowder.

00:20:53.540 For sure.

00:20:54.040 And there are statements where they're like, PR campaign, hiring a PR guy, the lawyer's advising them, the longer this goes on, the worse it gets.

00:21:00.560 Yes, there's statements, whether they're, they're snippets or not, where they're saying, where Hillary says, I wouldn't get as much in court, but I want more than that.

00:21:09.360 Yeah, but, but that particular statement is another one that's completely, like, if you read it in its full context, they're arguing about the custody.

00:21:16.500 So she turned down more money than she would get in court, but, like, the issue was, and it's highlighted in the messages, that she, they're arguing about who gets the kids when and all that, so.

00:21:26.780 But that doesn't matter, Mike.

00:21:27.460 Well, no, it does matter.

00:21:28.460 No, my point is, you said.

00:21:29.960 It does matter.

00:21:30.760 You said that these, these statements from the lawyer.

00:21:32.660 Yeah, this is a summary from the lawyer that they're taking as a grand conspiracy.

00:21:36.520 They're paying a lawyer for advice.

00:21:38.560 The idea that they wouldn't take their lawyer's advice they paid for is.

00:21:41.520 And nobody, nobody said that they wouldn't.

00:21:43.200 And then they did.

00:21:44.040 So if you're like, what are you arguing?

00:21:45.240 If you go to a lawyer and then the lawyer meets with you, which, by the way, Hillary's father should not have been with the lawyer, because this would have been attorney client for if it was just with the wife.

00:21:53.900 And she wrote this down because it's the advice between her and her lawyer.

00:21:56.720 But if you go to a lawyer and they say, hey, here's how this normally works, especially in a high profile divorce case, and they give you seven points, then you put that in your group message, like whatever message messaging system this was to summarize for your family.

00:22:09.780 And then you have somebody who very opportunistically, in order to deflect from the Jared issue, which we're not like talking on, highlights select portions on screen.

00:22:18.900 We got a hole here.

00:22:20.160 They did it.

00:22:21.160 It's a fact.

00:22:22.020 They did.

00:22:22.540 They did release the video.

00:22:24.040 I'm not.

00:22:24.600 They did engage in a damaging PR campaign against Crowder.

00:22:27.760 Fact.

00:22:28.400 Yeah.

00:22:28.740 Okay.

00:22:29.160 After Crowder talked about the divorce on the air.

00:22:31.680 Right.

00:22:31.900 They then released the video.

00:22:33.780 Like that did happen.

00:22:34.800 Can we back up for a sec?

00:22:35.680 Because I didn't change my – so like I got my stance on this just from watching Jared's video.

00:22:42.820 So initially I watched it and I'm like, oh, this guy, you know, Crowder's getting basically karma for throwing out the Daily Wire contract and, you know, whatever.

00:22:52.100 And I moved on with my day.

00:22:53.400 And then I – somebody posted about Brian Friedman being involved, Yashara Lee, and, you know, all these people repped by UTA.

00:23:00.680 And I'm like, maybe I'll take a second look.

00:23:02.000 And I watched the video again.

00:23:03.560 You really need to understand the timeline that Jared describes.

00:23:07.320 So if you're mad at him for getting Crowder, for blackballing him, all these – I think you just need to understand what he says.

00:23:13.060 So the first thing I noticed is that he talks about – so he says – I think he was – or, sorry, he resigns from Crowder in 2018.

00:23:24.380 And he says that he signed a NDA with a non-solicitation clause when he started work, which is pretty typical, okay?

00:23:33.800 Non-solicitation is not a non-compete.

00:23:36.440 A non-solicitation is just – you can't go and poach my clients, my advertisers, people – you know, you just can't steal basically company property and whatever.

00:23:47.400 But the way Jared describes it in the video is he says it's a non-solicitation at first, and then he goes, well, it felt like the strictest non-compete.

00:23:57.080 And then he goes, and then the non-compete, in quotes.

00:24:00.280 And so –

00:24:00.860 He said that they argued it would be interpreted as the strictest non-compete.

00:24:04.220 I need to clarify one thing real quick, too.

00:24:06.200 You said Crowder spoke about the divorce first, and then they released the footage.

00:24:10.420 Yeah, the footage came out afterwards.

00:24:11.660 No, I believe – didn't Crowder say – I could be wrong, but didn't Crowder say he addressed the divorce because he was asked for comment on the video that had already been released to the journalist?

00:24:19.460 No, no.

00:24:19.800 He did that video, if you remember.

00:24:21.660 People were, like, weirding out about it, but I'm like, if he can't – doesn't want to talk about it, it's fine.

00:24:24.920 Where he said that his only mistake was picking the wrong person, that video came out before the ring footage.

00:24:31.440 Right, and –

00:24:32.420 And then I think there was an additional comment after that.

00:24:34.980 The reason why he addressed it before the footage was released was because a journalist contacted him saying, can you comment on this footage?

00:24:40.600 And he went, oh, crap, they released the footage.

00:24:43.580 I better get in front of this.

00:24:44.780 If he said that, I'm not aware of it.

00:24:46.100 I thought that – I could be wrong, but I thought the case was Crowder said, I have no choice but to address this because journalists are asking about it.

00:24:51.380 I remember that, too.

00:24:52.320 I'm not sure that.

00:24:52.800 Yeah, I thought the implication that he had made in his defense was that Candace Owens was kind of, like, dancing around the issue in public, like, you know, and that's what made him address it.

00:25:02.600 And then in response, they released the footage, but, like, that's the timeline I remember, but I didn't, like, point by point.

00:25:08.540 Okay.

00:25:08.920 Yeah, I don't know for sure, but anyway.

00:25:11.020 So, like – so, I guess Jared is saying this stuff, and another thing that stood out to me from the video is he's like, you know, I'm being forced – okay, wait, let me back up.

00:25:19.980 Sorry.

00:25:20.140 So, he starts working for Crowder, signs an NDA with a non-solicitation, then he wants to leave, he resigns, and then I'm guessing that Crowder reminded him, well, you have a non-solicitation clause, and so he says, basically, that would make it so that I couldn't work anywhere.

00:25:36.640 Well, Crowder gives him a carve-out, which basically means, you know, I understand you want to go work for, let's say, said media company, so I'm going to carve that media company out.

00:25:44.960 You can go ahead and work for them, but in order to give you something you want, I want you to sign this NDA.

00:25:50.600 And so, Jared hires an attorney, the attorney negotiates that deal, gives him the carve-out, and he goes on his way to the next job.

00:26:00.980 Then Jared says in the video that he was fired unlawfully from this next job, which is also kind of like, Jared, you have a problem everywhere you go, maybe you should –

00:26:09.800 But not randomly.

00:26:10.900 Yeah, if you smell crap everywhere, check your –

00:26:12.360 But not randomly.

00:26:12.600 Wait, wait, let me –

00:26:13.220 He did say that it was Stephen who got him fired from the other job.

00:26:17.060 No, no, but he didn't get him fired.

00:26:18.400 This is what happened.

00:26:18.940 Well, I didn't say he did.

00:26:20.020 I just said that's what he said.

00:26:20.980 If Jared was breaching the non-solicitation clause, which can mean a lot of people are taking it as, well, he was talking crap about Crowder, and that's why Crowder got mad.

00:26:32.160 No, maybe he was poaching talent.

00:26:34.420 Maybe he was poaching advertisers.

00:26:35.940 We don't know what led to it, so he sends – let's say Crowder did –

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00:28:11.780 Then whatever the new employer could be liable for tortuous interference if he sees Jared breaking the contract he signed.

00:28:20.680 You get what I'm saying?

00:28:21.340 I'll give you a quick example of what I think may be the most likely is that, this is wild speculation.

00:28:26.620 Jared works for Crowder.

00:28:27.980 Jared gets a bunch of phone numbers.

00:28:29.220 Jared then leaves Crowder, has those phone numbers, and then starts reaching out to people being like, oh, I know someone who can do this.

00:28:36.100 Then Crowder goes, is he texting our clients?

00:28:38.300 Sorry, insert whatever.

00:28:40.120 He's using our Rolodex for a different company.

00:28:43.800 That company fires him because they're like, hey, this is going to put us in legal liability for basically stealing information from a rival company.

00:28:52.020 We can't do that.

00:28:52.740 You can't do that.

00:28:53.460 And you have an agreement.

00:28:54.220 You can't do that.

00:28:54.980 I don't know exactly what happened.

00:28:55.940 I'm saying that seems plausible.

00:28:57.180 It's very plausible.

00:28:58.200 So he says he gets fired unlawfully.

00:29:02.980 So that's in 2018.

00:29:04.500 Now, in his video, he's saying I'm getting legally abused by Crowder.

00:29:07.740 This has been going on.

00:29:09.600 He doesn't say it implicitly.

00:29:11.400 He doesn't say it outright.

00:29:14.340 He basically is saying I've been abused for a long time.

00:29:17.160 But the reality is that from the point that he gets fired from the job to so 2018 to October of 2023, nothing is happening legally between him and Crowder.

00:29:29.200 Now, you have to look at the timeline.

00:29:31.380 So the ring cam footage gets released end of April 2023.

00:29:36.260 Then in May, there's bad articles, June, July, August.

00:29:41.420 There's all these bad articles.

00:29:42.340 And then in October, Crowder files this petition to I'm guessing, hey, somebody is linking all this stuff.

00:29:49.260 We need to find out who's doing this because this is causing problems.

00:29:53.020 Right.

00:29:53.380 So they file this 202 petition, which basically means that you have to the judge is going to let you get information, deposition, text messages and whatnot.

00:30:04.520 In order to see if there is reason to bring a lawsuit.

00:30:08.120 Now, this is what's very interesting, because in the in the video where Jared is asking for money, he's basically saying that he had to pay for litigation and he he owes all this money because he had to pay.

00:30:18.420 He didn't start the litigation.

00:30:20.060 What he did is he argued that he didn't want to give up discovery.

00:30:23.920 So in that thing where Crowder is asking for a deposition and text messages and all that, which is, by the way, normal in a lawsuit, both sides have to give it up.

00:30:34.080 So whether you're the plaintiff or the defendant and the way that Jared saying it is like, this is going to be a abuse of my what is it called?

00:30:41.580 My my privacy and I'm going to get interrogated for.

00:30:45.460 Yeah.

00:30:45.840 But when I filed a lawsuit against Taylor Lorenz, I had to give up all my text messages and say Taylor Lorenz.

00:30:52.460 I mean, that's it feels very intrusive.

00:30:54.460 Yes.

00:30:54.960 But I want to justice.

00:30:55.980 Right.

00:30:56.380 I also haven't been speaking.

00:30:57.820 Have I been on podcast?

00:30:58.840 No, because anything I say, The New York Times would be like, well, Ari's hanging out with Tim Poole.

00:31:04.540 She ruined her own reputation.

00:31:06.100 You know what I mean?

00:31:06.500 That's they could say whatever.

00:31:08.320 So it's very it's as a content creator.

00:31:10.560 It's not very fun to be in a lawsuit.

00:31:12.780 And it can definitely damage your career.

00:31:15.180 But the way he described it is just the legal process.

00:31:18.700 Anyway, why was he fighting?

00:31:21.500 Why was he fighting the deposition?

00:31:23.180 If you have if you're broke, why are you going to fight to give up your text messages and have a deposition?

00:31:29.760 I mean, the likelihood of Crowder actually filing that lawsuit.

00:31:33.220 Most people don't want to file a lawsuit against someone that has no money.

00:31:36.260 What I think happened is that Crowder wanted to get the discovery so he could see if other people were messing with it.

00:31:41.880 People like his competitors, because when you get when you get that discovery, you can use it then to file another lawsuit against your competitors, your ex, white or whoever.

00:31:50.820 Probably probably the divorce.

00:31:51.880 Yeah, he wanted to see what Jared was saying to his ex-wife or current wife.

00:31:56.340 Well, and Jeremy Boring was on the list.

00:31:57.740 He would have he would have that.

00:31:59.340 I think it's for potential other lawsuits, because if you look at the other people, because he has messages.

00:32:04.360 He cloned Hillary's phone twice in the divorce.

00:32:06.480 So he has messages from her to Jared.

00:32:08.900 That's probably why he sent Jared this notice.

00:32:11.500 And I do agree with you.

00:32:12.780 Like, it is the legal process.

00:32:14.120 It is intrusive, but it definitely is the legal process that you get this information.

00:32:17.780 But he wants father or.

00:32:19.560 Yeah.

00:32:20.060 People he doesn't have access to.

00:32:21.240 He wants the Dave like it's on the list.

00:32:23.440 It's like Dave Landau, Jeremy Boring.

00:32:25.600 Like there's, you know, 14 names.

00:32:27.300 And then the 15th one is unnamed, unlimited, unnamed persons otherwise or whatever.

00:32:32.080 So I just love this.

00:32:33.260 There's like the Daily Wire Crowder secret backstage war has been going on for a long time.

00:32:38.240 Candace Owens was it was talking about the divorce.

00:32:41.140 And now Daily Wire and Candace is like, wow, look at this.

00:32:44.880 Well, it's a very niche industry.

00:32:46.780 Right.

00:32:47.020 And the other thing I thought about with Jared is how many people would love to, you know, be on a show and get paid a salary to do.

00:32:53.560 I mean, a lot of people want to be YouTubers or and you're not guaranteed a job in this industry.

00:32:59.440 You're just not.

00:33:00.160 And so if you go around reaching your contracts or being a liability, it's understandable why somebody might not want to hire you.

00:33:07.240 And so it's weird to me that Jared is saying he couldn't work basically for six years or whatever, because he was in this.

00:33:16.400 I mean, the non-circumvent thing or the non-solicitation was a two years.

00:33:20.920 So what's he been doing this whole time?

00:33:22.560 He said the non-compete was two years.

00:33:24.340 The non-solicitation was there was no non-compete.

00:33:26.360 He said the non-solicitation was in the original agreement.

00:33:29.200 And then like that was interpreted as a non-compete.

00:33:32.060 But then he wanted an exemption for one unnamed company.

00:33:35.120 I just I want to add to like.

00:33:36.540 Like he's under a non-disparagement and a non-disclosure, which he violated both of with his GoFundMe.

00:33:41.960 Yeah.

00:33:42.860 I mean.

00:33:43.460 So now what's happening, I guess, is that for some reason, all these lawyers don't want that discovery to come out.

00:33:48.880 So now they filed.

00:33:51.040 Even though Jared said in his video that he was going to file a counter motion against Crowder, which I thought was weird because I'm like, I thought you didn't want to give up discovery.

00:33:58.960 If you file something against Crowder, you're going to have to give it.

00:34:01.180 But no, he doesn't want it.

00:34:02.320 He's not going to have to give up discovery.

00:34:03.540 If this thing that they filed with an administrative agency goes through, which is basically going to be a thing where they say, is this NDA valid or not?

00:34:13.680 And I talked to an attorney and she said, in a way, it's kind of like a race for who's first.

00:34:17.260 So if the administration's agency says the NDA is void before the tortious interference lawsuit moves forward, then he could get out of that because they could say it's a breach.

00:34:28.300 But you have to realize that these attorneys and the way the media works, they will blow something up to make it sound so crazy.

00:34:37.520 When Taylor wrote the article about me, she included this one thing saying that I didn't have a talent.

00:34:43.200 I was representing talent without a talent agency license.

00:34:46.280 Now, it sounds like, oh, my gosh, you know, I can't believe that.

00:34:49.400 Well, a talent agency license, it really only matters if you are an agent in L.A., but you have to pay 500 bucks, you fill in some paperwork, and then you get the license.

00:34:59.420 It's not, you know what I mean?

00:35:00.560 They're not like putting you through some rigorous thing to find out if you're, you know, okay to be an agent.

00:35:06.800 But the way it sounds to people that don't understand it is like, oh, she's violating.

00:35:11.240 And I did have a talent agency license, by the way.

00:35:13.260 But she lied?

00:35:14.040 Yeah.

00:35:14.380 Oh, she lied a lot.

00:35:15.680 She lied a lot.

00:35:17.960 Shocking.

00:35:18.760 I think she has cognitive deficiencies.

00:35:21.120 I'm trying to be very academic in how I approach that.

00:35:23.860 But like the double masking and dancing and like, I feel like she's not well.

00:35:28.500 She self-owned herself so hard that it was actually hard for me to fundraise.

00:35:32.300 By the time that we were able to like go through, I think people were just like, oh, we kind of hate her, but she's such a clown that, you know, she's taken herself down.

00:35:40.860 And which is, you know, which is fine.

00:35:42.160 I mean, I think that I'm so happy that I learned sort of the ins and outs of that world because I was not, I was so naive to everything.

00:35:49.580 And really, that's why I came out in defense of, I guess, people think I'm, you know, shilling for Crowder or whatever.

00:35:57.520 I don't even know Crowder.

00:35:58.400 I never watch his content.

00:35:59.420 But you can't say that you're against Taylor Lorenz and the type of antics that she does and the people like her do.

00:36:05.840 And then you notice something and then sit back and say, well, she's doing it to Crowder or these people are doing it to Crowder.

00:36:11.440 So it's OK.

00:36:12.740 I don't think so.

00:36:13.620 Well, I'm biased, very biased, very, very biased, having dealt with these things, having people come out of the woodwork to stab you in the back.

00:36:22.520 What I can say that I know is that based on how I can't speak for Texas, but I can speak certainly for a handful of East Coast states and some in the Midwest.

00:36:33.560 Right now, the way like Jared just violated his non-disbaragement and not NDA and raised $92,000.

00:36:41.960 I do not believe he will face any serious admonishment from the court.

00:36:46.360 Crowder can do nothing in kind.

00:36:48.400 So you had, you know, they put out a statement, but it wasn't Crowder.

00:36:52.780 Crowder is not on the show at the time.

00:36:54.580 And if Stephen Crowder comes out and says any word about this, the judge will flog him publicly.

00:37:01.740 Because this is what I've experienced.

00:37:04.880 Crowder is in a position where you throw a paperclip into the into the spokes and you can cause hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage.

00:37:14.680 They can do nothing to Jared.

00:37:16.480 The court can be like, we told you not to do that.

00:37:18.080 And likely what will happen is the court will say, Jared, please don't do that again.

00:37:20.900 Anyway, moving on.

00:37:21.880 Yeah.

00:37:22.080 And Crowder's lawyers are going to be like, this is absurd.

00:37:25.180 Your honor, are you are you joking?

00:37:26.400 This man's clearly in violation.

00:37:27.520 They'll say, well, look, the goal of the court here is to try and figure this out and end this, not to prolong the bickering.

00:37:35.020 But if Crowder did something, the judge is going to be like, you knew what you did.

00:37:39.080 I mean, but he is doing something.

00:37:40.720 He is suing him for a million dollars.

00:37:42.440 We know Jared doesn't have that money.

00:37:43.980 I'm saying say that was not allowed.

00:37:45.860 My point is like you brought up the statement.

00:37:47.920 So like my main issue, I'm not he's not doing something.

00:37:50.640 My what doing something was there is Jared is in violation of an agreement he made publicly to raise money.

00:37:57.760 OK, you can't do that, but he's not going to.

00:38:00.940 So that's what I mean by doing something.

00:38:02.340 Crowder can't do something in kind.

00:38:04.040 Certainly Crowder can file lawsuits and then cross his finger fingers and hope the judge actually does something about it.

00:38:09.400 But what I'm saying is in these court cases, what I have found and not just the ones I've been involved in, the people who are the people with no money can break the rules, bend the rules because the courts have little leverage over them.

00:38:22.060 They can do very little.

00:38:23.420 They can go to the CEO of a company and they can say, we are going to fine you whatever amount of money per day that will cost you to stop doing what you are doing.

00:38:34.140 You go to someone like Jared and it's going to be like, I don't have any money.

00:38:36.440 And they're going to say, then please just stop doing it.

00:38:39.280 So this is the issue again.

00:38:41.860 But like, here's the thing.

00:38:43.660 They they issue their statement.

00:38:45.100 First of all, the non disparagement would be between him and the company.

00:38:47.580 So Gerald reaching a state making a statement is like his public response to that.

00:38:52.520 It's supposed to be a not a mutual non disparagement agreement, by the way.

00:38:56.520 So like if we find out through the course of the case that they were also violating it, like telling his other employer something damaging about him in order to get him fired,

00:39:05.300 then like that might be grounds for them to get out of the NDA.

00:39:08.840 Like one of the reasons they filed the complaint with the National Labor Relations Board is that they're trying to get the NDA resolved.

00:39:14.360 But like my main issue, and I would probably be way closer to you on this particular thing, is the fact that they didn't address the key points on it.

00:39:22.480 Like, I'm not the guy.

00:39:23.820 Steven Crowder is the guy with Gerald who came into this studio and complained about the Daily Wire seizing a social media account.

00:39:30.940 They were accused of that by Jared.

00:39:32.620 That was something that they said that he was doing, that they were taking it.

00:39:35.480 They were trying to take his Twitter.

00:39:36.940 And that's one of the things they were leveraging against him.

00:39:38.860 Hold on.

00:39:39.220 Hold on.

00:39:39.540 But they don't address that.

00:39:40.820 But they don't address the point you just made before we move on.

00:39:43.500 But they didn't address that.

00:39:44.580 So can Crowder publicly speak to this lawsuit based on what I was just talking about?

00:39:48.460 The answer is no.

00:39:49.260 No.

00:39:49.800 He has signed a mutual NDA.

00:39:51.860 So Jared is in violation of his agreement, and Crowder can do nothing.

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00:41:23.260 You said in your video, you're like, why isn't he turning in the cease and desist?

00:41:27.200 Because the cease and desist wasn't filed with the court.

00:41:29.220 So if he has an NDA with Jared, then that would be a breach of his NDA.

00:41:33.260 They're only talking about the court documents that were filed is what I'm guessing.

00:41:37.100 But from what I understand, the mutual NDA is about them not speaking bad about Lauder with Crowder,

00:41:43.240 the company, or Steven, or related entities.

00:41:46.780 And the company has a mutual one about him.

00:41:48.560 So the CEO releasing a statement, like in that, in your interpretation.

00:41:53.060 But you're allowed to talk about the lawsuit that you filed.

00:41:55.140 They wanted to seize my social media account.

00:41:57.320 He could be lying.

00:41:58.320 Yes.

00:41:58.700 And Crowder can't say anything.

00:42:00.220 But the company could in their response to him.

00:42:02.520 No.

00:42:02.640 Listen, again, I'm going to stress this as much as I can.

00:42:07.220 I'm very biased having been involved in this.

00:42:09.380 If I were in Crowder's position, having actively been involved as friends and personally having

00:42:15.260 filed lawsuits and been sued, if this happened to me, and I remember sitting in these meetings

00:42:21.860 with the judge, and I said, I went out publicly, and my company issued the statement, the judge

00:42:27.100 would be like, I am now going to fine you $10,000 every day until you take that post down

00:42:31.540 and issue a public apology.

00:42:33.240 And my lawyer's screaming in my face.

00:42:35.660 The phone calls I've been involved in, where I'm yelling at a team of lawyers, being like,

00:42:41.100 how are they getting away with this?

00:42:43.060 And he's like, because they don't have money.

00:42:45.540 And I said, then why can't we respond?

00:42:47.400 And he goes, because the judge will fine you $10,000 every time you do.

00:42:51.760 Except he does address some of the allegations in his video.

00:42:55.120 And so you're like, oh, this non-disparagement, what you're saying makes no sense.

00:42:59.720 This non-disparagement covers his ability to address allegations one and two, but not three

00:43:04.520 and four.

00:43:05.340 But also he could address five because they address various portions of it.

00:43:09.120 And again, I'm talking about louder with Crowder, the company, because they released a statement

00:43:12.460 in response to this, but they didn't address that.

00:43:14.800 And they didn't address whether or not they blackballed them.

00:43:16.820 It's a simple denial if you're going to deny it.

00:43:19.520 So especially if your company is, you went on this whole screed against Daily Wire about how

00:43:25.180 you're creators first, you're against specifically full ownership of social media companies, including

00:43:30.960 the ones you built, which is something that Crowder said in his video.

00:43:33.660 He said it here on this show, like a basic denial of that.

00:43:36.720 Like, that's the thing that I'm interested in.

00:43:38.480 This whole thing with the divorce.

00:43:39.900 Like, I agree with you guys.

00:43:40.980 I'm not that interested.

00:43:42.060 I agree.

00:43:42.620 Fair point.

00:43:43.280 Absolutely.

00:43:44.160 But do you agree that some of this has to play out in court?

00:43:46.400 Like, you can't just make allegations unless they're already filed.

00:43:50.440 Like, I don't know.

00:43:51.580 I feel like that would put them, it would be a liability for Louder with Crowder.

00:43:56.220 I think they can only talk about what's been filed in the lawsuit.

00:43:59.440 At least when I sued Taylor, it was like I was, you know, I was advised to only talk about

00:44:04.920 the things that were already publicly filed.

00:44:06.760 Yeah, you're advised to say nothing.

00:44:08.440 I 100% agree with that.

00:44:09.360 Yeah, I know.

00:44:09.740 I probably have been better to just say nothing.

00:44:11.160 Even about anything filed, you're advised to say nothing in any kind of litigation.

00:44:14.660 Like, that's 100% true.

00:44:16.240 So here's an interesting thing and why I'm probably also biased is because so I had this

00:44:22.020 talent agency.

00:44:22.840 I was bootstrapped.

00:44:23.740 I didn't have a lot of money.

00:44:24.800 But there was a point where TikTok people were making a lot of money because during the

00:44:29.480 pandemic, there was no, you know, music touring in Hollywood.

00:44:31.980 There was no making movies or television.

00:44:33.840 So I basically had a monopoly on these people that were going to be very, very successful.

00:44:39.900 And the talent agents saw that I had that.

00:44:42.360 And they basically came to me and they're like, okay, Ari, you've found all these people.

00:44:46.780 You developed them.

00:44:48.060 You know, I've spent my own money to do this.

00:44:50.560 And so now I have, let's say I had 85 clients.

00:44:54.000 We're going to come in.

00:44:54.880 We're UTA.

00:44:55.520 We're the best.

00:44:56.460 You know, we're going to come in and you have them signed for 20%.

00:44:59.260 Okay, cool.

00:45:00.740 We're going to do, we'll do a deal with you.

00:45:02.480 We'll take 10%.

00:45:03.360 You can take 10%.

00:45:04.760 And by the way, we don't want you to like deal.

00:45:06.840 We don't want you to talk to L'Oreal or like Chipotle.

00:45:09.340 We'll take all those incoming deals for you.

00:45:11.520 And I was like, well, no, I mean, thank you, but no, thank you.

00:45:15.220 I'm like, I already kind of did the work.

00:45:17.080 And so I'm going to go ahead.

00:45:18.020 But if you guys want to bring a deal, if you want to go out and be, you know, the hunters

00:45:22.460 and go hunt a deal, I'll give you the 10%.

00:45:24.960 And because I denied working with them, you know, the 10%, then all of a sudden they take

00:45:32.060 me down.

00:45:33.060 And what did they do?

00:45:34.540 This is what I think they did.

00:45:35.600 Because at first I was mad at the, you know, the influencers and I call them kids, but they

00:45:39.020 were over 18.

00:45:40.380 I think they, you know, it's kind of like a Jared situation.

00:45:43.260 They call you up and they're like, oh my gosh, you're in a terrible deal.

00:45:46.960 I mean, this woman, Ari, she's the worst.

00:45:49.560 And did you know she doesn't even have a talent agency license?

00:45:52.360 Well, I did, but you know what I'm saying?

00:45:53.520 And they're like, so, and then they explained to these 18 year olds how the law works.

00:45:58.320 And I have these, you know, these teenagers yelling at me being like, did you know that if

00:46:01.960 you don't, you don't have a talent agency license, so all your documents are invalid.

00:46:05.340 And I'm like, are you an attorney?

00:46:07.380 You know, so they're basically manipulating the people at the top.

00:46:10.480 These people, let's say it's UTA.

00:46:12.320 I don't know for sure.

00:46:13.880 They're manipulating these people to, because, you know, they're like emboldening them.

00:46:18.780 Oh, you know, you don't need Ari.

00:46:20.440 We could take you here.

00:46:21.520 So I don't know if that happened, but I think it's, it's possible.

00:46:24.020 At least it happened in my situation.

00:46:26.440 But I'm not like, I'm not sure how they're comparable because you had like legitimate

00:46:29.480 talent and like UTA, like it is a conflict of interest.

00:46:32.620 You have these attorneys and journalists that are represented by a talent agency that wants

00:46:38.160 to poach your clients.

00:46:39.280 So they're doing all these hit pieces.

00:46:40.440 They'll do whatever to take you out.

00:46:41.820 Jared, like, let's, let's be honest.

00:46:43.280 He was not this like, you know, fantastic talent that they were trying to poach.

00:46:46.520 He hasn't been in the, he hasn't been in content for like six years.

00:46:49.580 They used him to get what they wanted, which was to destroy his reputation, hurt his divorce

00:46:54.220 proceedings.

00:46:54.880 That's what my, my opinion is about the matter.

00:46:57.860 I mean, yeah.

00:46:59.280 What about the portions of the emails where they basically say a PR campaign against Crowder

00:47:02.820 could pressure him into getting like effectively paraphrasing.

00:47:06.160 We can win if we launch a PR campaign.

00:47:08.560 I mean, when you're suing a media figure, like there is a chance that this goes out into the

00:47:12.560 public and you should have a PR strategy.

00:47:15.500 Like, but I mean, there's a difference between it may get out into the public and we want to

00:47:20.280 intentionally drive this to the public sphere to damage his reputation.

00:47:22.860 Look, I, and a lot of those messages are from Hillary's father and like, you know, like

00:47:28.240 they're like, I'm not saying he acted appropriately in that, but he is the father.

00:47:32.540 Like you would expect a relative to, to be on the side of the person.

00:47:36.540 So it's like messages from him saying like, I want to have people that are sympathetic to

00:47:41.280 me, which I, you know, I have that full message too.

00:47:43.780 And like, you know, and even in there, they add the caveat that it's like, I don't think

00:47:47.980 the terms are unreasonable in that message.

00:47:51.100 But yeah, like, I don't like this.

00:47:52.800 I don't like the nasty divorce, but like the there's, there's two separate issues that were

00:47:57.480 kind of like merge.

00:47:58.700 Like, I think the strategy of Gerald, the CEO is to like, you know, start a fire in a

00:48:03.240 corner, but then fart in the other corner.

00:48:04.940 So you smell the fart and don't notice the fire because like a lot of this has nothing

00:48:08.860 to do with the original issues or what even interested me in like Jared's story.

00:48:13.040 Like, I want to know about the non-compete.

00:48:14.960 Like I hear a lot that this is common in the industry, but it's actually not that common

00:48:19.160 in niche industries like media.

00:48:21.060 So then let's just put to bed that it is reasonable to believe that the, the, the divorce

00:48:28.260 proceedings were, were weaponized publicly against Crowder.

00:48:32.320 Jared's involved in that.

00:48:33.560 And once we can agree with, there's no reason.

00:48:35.340 I don't understand.

00:48:36.280 Why are you defending it?

00:48:37.340 Involved in, involved in what way?

00:48:39.280 That he doesn't want Steven to have his kids after he accused him of abuse?

00:48:42.680 Slow down.

00:48:43.520 So, uh, the Hillary camp, uh, is saying let's damage him publicly.

00:48:48.640 Then there's communications with Jared where they're like, Hey, we're teaming up.

00:48:53.200 If you're saying we shouldn't conflate those things, I agree.

00:48:57.540 Let's accept that on that side, the divorce proceedings are being weaponized.

00:49:02.620 Uh, but I don't even know that's the case from the little isolated pieces of messages

00:49:06.740 that they put forward and the allegations from their complaints.

00:49:11.280 Yeah.

00:49:11.340 The family did that.

00:49:12.360 They said that they did that in response to Crowder talking about the divorce.

00:49:15.160 It doesn't matter what they did it for.

00:49:16.020 It happened.

00:49:16.600 Yeah.

00:49:16.860 They have emails saying PR campaign.

00:49:18.920 Okay.

00:49:19.340 Then they say, yes, we sent the footage to a opposition journalist who, who will attack

00:49:22.980 Steven Crowder.

00:49:23.920 I don't know why you're defending that or why are we arguing it?

00:49:25.940 It happened.

00:49:26.520 I understand that that happened.

00:49:28.060 That they, now, now we can agree that happened.

00:49:30.240 They did it.

00:49:30.880 But that's not Jared sending the footage to them.

00:49:33.300 I didn't say that.

00:49:34.100 I'm saying, you're saying, why don't you just accept that based on this message?

00:49:36.480 Because you keep defending the family, even though we're trying to talk about Jared.

00:49:39.720 And then you say, you want to stop, you want to stop combining these things.

00:49:42.020 Divorce is, I mean, look, divorce is nasty and people act nasty in the divorce.

00:49:46.260 What I want to know with the Jared issue is I actually want to hear his side of the story.

00:49:50.400 We don't have his full side.

00:49:51.660 So my point is.

00:49:52.260 And for the divorce, we're getting excerpts from the Crowder side who, again, if they're,

00:49:57.100 if you're accused of engaging in lawfare against somebody and you're also suing with the company,

00:50:03.320 your ex-wife and her friend and her parents, like that does not lend and her attorney, that

00:50:08.960 does not lend to your argument.

00:50:10.400 So my point is, I feel like you're being obtuse in trying to come up with reasons to defend

00:50:17.060 the divorce issue when we could just agree.

00:50:20.360 We know they sent the footage.

00:50:21.600 We know they wanted a PR campaign.

00:50:23.720 End of story.

00:50:24.980 Now let's talk about what Jared is doing.

00:50:26.780 Yeah, I'm not again.

00:50:27.920 Well, the reason that I'm in a disagreement with you is because that like worst case scenario,

00:50:33.840 they're both doing this to each other in the public.

00:50:36.040 I think the lawsuit from the company against Hillary's family and her on top of the divorce

00:50:41.820 for a million dollars is very unusual.

00:50:43.920 Like and like nobody's pointing that out.

00:50:46.300 What do you mean?

00:50:47.220 That Louderwood Crowder, the company is suing Hillary, her family.

00:50:50.580 Because they're messing with his business.

00:50:52.460 I mean, the only way that you can find out.

00:50:54.800 First of all, they publish footage of Steven Crowder.

00:50:57.400 Like, do we deny that that's him in the footage?

00:51:00.180 You said the family?

00:51:01.360 Yeah.

00:51:01.700 Well, they yeah.

00:51:02.640 That footage published of Steven Crowder.

00:51:04.280 Do we deny that that's him in the video?

00:51:06.640 Of course not.

00:51:07.200 Yeah, it's him.

00:51:07.960 So like their argument in the case in their filing is that that caused people to because

00:51:13.080 their rumble deal is based on subscribers or whatever to unsubscribe.

00:51:16.700 And that hurts the.

00:51:17.460 It definitely it's true.

00:51:18.620 Yes.

00:51:18.880 But that's not.

00:51:19.580 So he should sue them for it.

00:51:20.360 But that's not something you necessarily have grounds to sue over.

00:51:22.920 If I see something.

00:51:23.500 Yes, it is.

00:51:24.020 If I see you do something bad in public, that's 100 percent you.

00:51:27.760 Or if something comes out that's bad in public and that makes me unsubscribe.

00:51:30.940 You can sue them for it.

00:51:31.440 The person who revealed it is not necessarily liable for that.

00:51:34.700 OK.

00:51:36.020 This is really weird to me.

00:51:37.900 It feels like you are emotionally trying to justify what we know to be true as if it was

00:51:42.100 a good or acceptable thing.

00:51:43.440 It makes no sense.

00:51:44.940 Crowder's response is, of course, a lawsuit.

00:51:46.740 That's the most rudimentary thing he could do.

00:51:49.000 There's literally nothing else.

00:51:50.240 Should he come out, go on his show and start banging gongs, screaming, my wife is a devil

00:51:55.000 witch?

00:51:55.900 No.

00:51:56.180 I mean, that's what Gerald basically did.

00:51:57.880 The first thing he would do is file a lawsuit.

00:52:00.160 And the idea that how dare he file a lawsuit?

00:52:02.360 Well, no, it's literally what he would have to do.

00:52:04.140 That's the reasonable, professional and academic thing to do.

00:52:07.120 Releasing footage to Yashar Ali is the despicable, evil thing to do.

00:52:10.200 Look, I do not like the fact that they did that.

00:52:12.920 I understand why you go to an opposition journalist because they're going to publish whatever.

00:52:16.820 Like, I get that.

00:52:17.540 So then Crowder has to sue over it.

00:52:19.120 He doesn't have to sue over it.

00:52:20.380 He does not have to sue his wife when he knows exactly how much money she has for a million

00:52:26.580 dollars with the company.

00:52:28.040 He doesn't have to do anything.

00:52:29.460 The point is, the reasonable, professional response is a lawsuit.

00:52:33.280 You file in a court, you say, Your Honor, please stop them from doing these things.

00:52:37.520 It's causing damage to us.

00:52:38.580 I totally disagree.

00:52:39.640 It's defamation.

00:52:40.660 It's disparagement, et cetera, et cetera.

00:52:42.740 I mean, we'll see if that shakes out in the case or if it drops with the divorce.

00:52:45.800 But listen, lawsuits aren't rulings.

00:52:48.700 That seems like the exact tactic that Jared was talking about, where you try to bury somebody

00:52:52.900 in legal costs in order to get your outcome.

00:52:55.700 Lawsuits are not rulings.

00:52:57.200 I didn't say they are rulings.

00:52:58.420 But they're cost prohibitive.

00:53:00.040 If someone takes a select cut of video footage that makes me look bad and omits any and all

00:53:06.000 other context and it costs me money, the reasonable thing to do, Crowder's company probably went

00:53:11.140 to a lawyer and they said, we'll file a lawsuit, harassment, defamation, et cetera.

00:53:14.320 What's the additional context in there?

00:53:16.240 Because they're alleging that 18 seconds is.

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00:54:43.340 It's removed from the video.

00:54:47.120 That's what they said.

00:54:47.860 You see, once again, you're equivocating and justifying what they did.

00:54:50.200 I'm just, I'm just asking, like, did they say right before that video, we're going to

00:54:54.160 do a sketch.

00:54:54.900 You're pulling a Krasenstein on me.

00:54:55.960 I'm not.

00:54:56.360 I'm just asking.

00:54:56.980 I'm saying professionally and academically, the response to something like this is a lawsuit,

00:55:01.660 period.

00:55:02.140 I don't care what Crowder thinks.

00:55:03.340 I don't care what Hillary thinks.

00:55:04.820 Hillary leaks, the Hillary camp leaks footage to Yashar Ali, an opposition journalist, which

00:55:09.440 causes massive damage to Stephen Crowder.

00:55:11.820 It was a huge scandal.

00:55:12.760 To the company.

00:55:13.380 To him personally and the company.

00:55:14.960 Well, the company's doing it.

00:55:15.840 I actually don't think that anybody would care about Jared if that ring footage wasn't

00:55:19.720 leaked.

00:55:20.180 The response to this, absolutely.

00:55:21.820 The response to this from Crowder is, I will now file a lawsuit for this having been done.

00:55:25.440 That's it.

00:55:26.460 I totally disagree that people wouldn't care about the Jared thing if not for the ring footage.

00:55:29.820 Like, that was an issue when the Daily Wire thing was coming.

00:55:32.120 Right, but the point we're on.

00:55:32.860 And people love drama.

00:55:33.900 Like, that is a fact.

00:55:34.680 The point we're on is, someone leaks footage to disparage you.

00:55:38.080 There are emails where they're saying they want a PR campaign to get favorable terms

00:55:41.660 of divorce.

00:55:41.920 When they're summarizing from their lawyer, yeah.

00:55:43.780 Okay, you're doing it again.

00:55:45.820 I don't understand why you have this emotional barrier to defend one side.

00:55:48.440 It's not an emotional barrier.

00:55:50.160 I'm giving the context of that email.

00:55:52.360 But that's not relevant to what I'm...

00:55:53.860 When it says, here's what the lawyer tells me, and then Jared puts up these experts,

00:55:57.180 and he's like, look, they're conspiring.

00:55:59.940 I'm sorry, Gerald.

00:56:01.020 We'll slow down here.

00:56:01.780 Great controversy.

00:56:02.700 We're not talking about Crowder anymore.

00:56:03.900 However, John Smith is in a dispute with Jane Smith, and Jane Smith posts a picture of

00:56:10.000 him farting in a dog's face.

00:56:11.820 So he says, I am going to sue you.

00:56:14.320 You said, why would he sue her?

00:56:16.860 Well, that's the reasonable response to her posting this photo.

00:56:20.640 That's a terrible example.

00:56:21.520 I don't think that's a reasonable response.

00:56:23.260 Someone damages your company by posting embarrassing images about you.

00:56:27.100 You file a lawsuit in response.

00:56:28.600 We have defamation lawsuits all the time.

00:56:31.360 Libel, slander, et cetera.

00:56:32.360 It's not defamation or anything like that.

00:56:34.360 And by the way, though, defamation is much harder to win than a tortuous interference,

00:56:37.720 because if you can prove that somebody knew there was an agreement between two parties

00:56:41.680 and they did something to specifically ruin that contract, it's much easier to sue for

00:56:48.840 a tortuous interference.

00:56:49.240 Are we talking about...

00:56:50.280 My point is simply, we'll end this point.

00:56:54.360 Crowder responded to a PR smear with a lawsuit.

00:56:57.860 Okay, what else do you do?

00:56:58.800 I have a question for you, because nobody's answered this.

00:57:01.500 Because if six years after he quit, Jared was supposed to turn over text messages and

00:57:10.320 discovery, which is normal in a lawsuit, and get deposed, why didn't he just do that?

00:57:15.720 He didn't have to spend all that money on litigation.

00:57:17.860 What was in those text messages that he does not want to give him over?

00:57:21.540 That's what makes me think that these lawyers are like, Jared, we're going to figure out a

00:57:27.100 way that you don't have to turn this stuff in.

00:57:28.700 Like, why is everybody helping him so that he doesn't have to turn over discovery?

00:57:32.620 I mean, if you don't want to spend all that money on lawyers, it's okay.

00:57:35.600 Just turn over discovery.

00:57:36.920 I agree with you on the point that there's an interesting statement from Jared about Crowder

00:57:42.740 wanting ownership of his social media, while Crowder had disparaged Daily Wire for something

00:57:48.020 similar.

00:57:48.800 I think that's an interesting point that should be addressed.

00:57:50.880 I don't know how we get to that, except through court proceedings, deposition, and the release

00:57:55.020 of, and discovery.

00:57:55.740 And that's, that's what's, that's what's going on right now.

00:57:57.820 But as far as like, why you wouldn't want to turn over with discovery, nobody wants to

00:58:00.740 turn over discovery.

00:58:01.480 Like, it's, it's intrusive.

00:58:03.100 This is like, well, if you're not committing any crimes, like let the government go through

00:58:07.000 your phone.

00:58:07.280 But he's describing it as legal abuse.

00:58:09.080 And it's just, so.

00:58:10.040 Yeah, if you bog somebody down, you can, you can bog somebody down in legal costs, like intentionally.

00:58:16.300 He spent the money to fight.

00:58:16.320 You didn't do that.

00:58:17.240 Of course you can.

00:58:17.800 And if you file motions against them and they have to hire representation.

00:58:21.160 But, but, but, but I'll clarify that.

00:58:22.480 That's in a movie exaggeration that you can dump, you could bury someone in paperwork.

00:58:26.920 It's, it's, it's technically true, but people think it's like, if, if I were to file a bunch

00:58:32.140 of claims and things, the judge would say, nice try and throw it in the garbage.

00:58:36.440 Judges are human beings.

00:58:37.960 I mean, that, that did happen in the divorce case.

00:58:39.880 Like if you go to Tony current revolts, uh, cause he was in the courtroom, if you go to

00:58:44.140 his reporting, one of the things the judge was like, he's like, why are there so many

00:58:47.380 motions?

00:58:47.900 We only have two hours in this court.

00:58:49.420 Exactly.

00:58:49.840 The judge will say, nice try and get rid of it.

00:58:52.000 The idea that you could actually, as a wealthy person, be like, I will bury you in paperwork.

00:58:56.200 It's something people see in movies.

00:58:57.760 The judge goes, why do you have 17 lawyers on this and 17 different filings?

00:59:02.740 You are clearly trying to waste the court's time to put pressure.

00:59:06.020 There's a, uh, there's a term for it in court.

00:59:08.200 They call, I forgot what it was.

00:59:09.880 And, uh, they just, the judge will say no.

00:59:12.340 And they throw it on the, we won't even read it and they'll throw it in the garbage.

00:59:15.020 I mean, you just said that the judges will do whatever, like, you know, earlier on judges

00:59:19.200 are like, but here's the thing, Jared fought with the judge.

00:59:21.960 Yeah, go ahead.

00:59:22.440 I'm sorry.

00:59:22.880 So just real quick on the point of judges, I think, you know, I can't speak for everybody,

00:59:27.860 but I can, you know, having grown up watching movies and TV, I certainly at a young age

00:59:31.560 had this naive interpretation of what judges did.

00:59:34.540 And then when you actually go to court, you're like, Oh, imagine, imagine this your neighbor.

00:59:39.580 And you are arguing over who gets the apples from the apple tree because his tree is growing

00:59:45.280 onto your property.

00:59:46.600 And so you go to the neighbor across the street to argue it to him.

00:59:49.560 That's a judge there.

00:59:51.340 That's literally, he's going to be like, why are you guys fighting about?

00:59:55.060 And you're like, well, his tree goes into my yard.

00:59:56.980 So I think the apples are right.

00:59:57.900 No, it's my tree.

00:59:58.700 The apples are mine.

00:59:59.520 And he's going to be like, I don't care about either of you.

01:00:02.500 Take the apples that are on your side, take the apples that are on your side and stop

01:00:05.480 bothering me.

01:00:06.260 That's what judges do.

01:00:07.000 But to be clear, I've actually had this done to me, not in a civil context, in a criminal

01:00:12.380 context.

01:00:12.800 When I was 12, I got wrongfully arrested.

01:00:15.100 You pay a lawyer, a retainer, it covers five appearances.

01:00:18.180 The prosecutor was trying to extend the appearances.

01:00:21.880 That's what the strategy was.

01:00:24.020 And that would run up the cost for me and for my family.

01:00:27.280 So there are ways that you can extend costs on other people.

01:00:31.180 I just don't think that in this case, Jared was legally abused.

01:00:34.300 And the thing is, he spent money to fight with the with the jet, basically with Crowder

01:00:39.460 over the 202 position saying, I don't want to give over discovery.

01:00:43.600 And they fought about it.

01:00:44.720 That's why he spent money in litigation.

01:00:46.180 But the judge said, no, you have.

01:00:48.360 So after they fought, he lost.

01:00:49.800 And then the judge said, OK, you have to give over discovery.

01:00:52.000 And then Jared's like, no, I'm not going to do that.

01:00:54.360 I'm sorry.

01:00:55.160 But you can't go in one hand and say, I want justice.

01:00:57.880 And this was done to me.

01:00:59.240 And then say, well, I'm not going to abide by the legal system.

01:01:02.300 And then on top of it, it's like now he's saying the other thing that he was saying

01:01:06.360 is that he was there was like sexual stuff that was going on on set and stuff like that.

01:01:11.500 The thing is, you have, I think, in Texas, 300 days to file a sexual harassment thing.

01:01:16.700 So that was long gone.

01:01:18.520 So he's really saying all that.

01:01:20.260 I, in my opinion, they didn't care about that stuff.

01:01:22.920 He didn't get sexually.

01:01:24.100 They were.

01:01:24.640 I don't know.

01:01:25.020 It's probably some kind of, you know, fratty type of thing.

01:01:27.740 But was he really, like, traumatized over whatever happened?

01:01:32.380 I don't think so.

01:01:33.180 I mean, they kind of acknowledged that that happened in Gerald's video, which is like,

01:01:36.300 they said Jared started doing it.

01:01:37.420 But I don't think Jared was traumatized.

01:01:38.400 Or I don't think it's like a Me Too situation.

01:01:40.900 And it's like.

01:01:41.160 I don't think so either.

01:01:41.980 I also think it's kind of like, probably the attorneys are like, well, let's talk about

01:01:45.680 what went wrong when you worked there.

01:01:47.060 Like, what can we pull?

01:01:47.980 Listen, if I was at HR, I wouldn't say, look, we thought it was funny.

01:01:51.900 And like.

01:01:52.720 No, that was weird.

01:01:53.780 I would have been like, listen, listen, don't.

01:01:56.260 First of all, don't admit to that happening back and forth.

01:01:59.120 Like, but like the correct response when an employee starts exposing himself is to fire

01:02:02.940 said employee.

01:02:03.960 Jared was exposing himself.

01:02:05.080 That's what Gerald said in his response.

01:02:07.260 He said.

01:02:07.700 He said we're not.

01:02:08.380 He started it.

01:02:09.300 Yeah, we're not.

01:02:09.780 He started it, which is like the worst defense ever.

01:02:12.320 I thought that was weird that they admitted to it.

01:02:14.480 And then he was like, but we're not condemning him for it.

01:02:16.760 We thought it was funny.

01:02:17.700 And like Stephen and Jared thought it was funny.

01:02:19.580 I'm like, this is like.

01:02:21.100 Like, don't.

01:02:22.060 Don't if if someone at SimCast exposed themselves, they would never step foot.

01:02:25.340 Yeah, you'd be fine.

01:02:25.960 You wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't expose yourself back to them.

01:02:29.040 That's like an ongoing escort them out and they would wait for a vehicle.

01:02:32.340 And that would be the end of it.

01:02:33.980 You wouldn't even call a vehicle.

01:02:35.040 You'd be like, start hiking.

01:02:36.180 Like, go catch a cab.

01:02:37.680 No, no, no, police vehicle.

01:02:39.600 So so so the crazy thing about the corporate world, people should understand is you have

01:02:45.620 to do it based on law because we live in a pseudo communist country, right?

01:02:49.120 We're not a free market capitalist country.

01:02:50.600 We're a mixed economy, which means there's tons of regulations.

01:02:54.020 And people like to think like, why do they have these diversity trainings?

01:02:58.660 They're required to by law.

01:02:59.840 Yeah, not.

01:03:00.280 And it's not so much by law, but by mechanism that you're legally required to have insurance.

01:03:04.980 But insurance companies only insure you if you do the diversity trainings and the companies

01:03:09.220 get terrified of lawsuits because they could lose their insurance and it shuts their company

01:03:12.240 down.

01:03:12.440 Yeah, all of this crazy stuff.

01:03:14.060 So if someone here were to expose themselves, the first thing we do is we call a private

01:03:18.300 security company who then comes and escorts the person on camera with body cameras and

01:03:24.080 all that stuff gently off the property and then waves them a polite goodbye.

01:03:27.520 There was that story recently where a woman went on TikTok and claimed a guy shoved her

01:03:31.160 down the stairs.

01:03:31.820 Did you see this one?

01:03:32.680 No.

01:03:33.220 And then the bar released the footage.

01:03:35.560 Yeah, I have.

01:03:35.980 Oh, I did see that.

01:03:36.960 Oh, that made me so mad.

01:03:37.980 And so why does the bar, why did the bar have security come escort her out politely with cameras?

01:03:43.680 Because you're required.

01:03:45.480 So like, especially a public accommodation where you're letting people in legal requirement

01:03:49.140 to have insurance or not even not even necessarily legal requirement.

01:03:52.420 It could be like any standard business needs a loan to finance the property and the equipment

01:03:56.680 for, okay, in order to get the loan, you need the insurance.

01:03:58.800 In order to get the insurance, you got to have cameras.

01:04:00.320 In order to get the insurance, also you need security guards.

01:04:02.980 Right.

01:04:03.380 This is exactly why.

01:04:05.080 Yeah, absolutely.

01:04:05.940 And I mean, so the probably the most egregious statement that Taylor Lorenz wrote in the

01:04:10.920 New York Times about me, she wrote a statement basically saying that I leaked nude photos

01:04:17.080 of a client for revenge because he was trying to leave.

01:04:20.060 This is after she, in pre-publication, before she published the article, she said, you know,

01:04:26.980 we heard that Ari was doing this.

01:04:28.480 And my attorney said, absolutely not.

01:04:29.860 That's defamatory.

01:04:30.800 And she said, well, we're not we're not saying that she leaked them publicly.

01:04:35.380 So in the article, it says, Ari, she leaked my nudes.

01:04:38.980 I mean, she she knew she acknowledged that we're not saying that Ari leaked nudes.

01:04:43.080 And then she published she leaked my nudes.

01:04:44.520 So what actually happened is that I was representing a 25 year old guy and another manager texted

01:04:52.080 me and I was representing like TikTok houses and there was a house full of girls and a house

01:04:55.620 full of guys.

01:04:56.560 And the manager said that this guy is sending nude photos to a 14 year old girl.

01:05:04.160 So imagine as a manager if I hadn't looked into that.

01:05:07.580 So I took and I said, what are you talking about?

01:05:09.460 They sent me just like, and how do you know about that?

01:05:11.740 Well, it's in a chat room with 100,000 people.

01:05:13.940 Anyway, I take the message.

01:05:15.680 I send it to my HR person who's under NDA to my lawyer and to the guy that was being

01:05:19.560 accused.

01:05:20.000 And I said, did you do this?

01:05:21.000 What's the deal?

01:05:21.840 Oh, no, somebody broke into my iCloud and leaked all my messages.

01:05:25.180 It's all in a text message.

01:05:26.880 So, you know, I think I was doing my moral ethical duty to look into like, is this guy

01:05:31.560 that I'm representing sending nudes to a 14 year old girl?

01:05:33.820 And and what did it turn out?

01:05:35.560 In The New York Times, it looks like I'm a total weirdo that's, you know, leaking my clients

01:05:41.060 nudes.

01:05:41.540 I mean, that's how they can twist the stories.

01:05:44.660 And these people are professionals.

01:05:46.360 I mean, there was wild.

01:05:48.480 When I was a little girl, I thought The New York Times is like, you know what I mean?

01:05:51.240 If you get an article in The New York Times, you hang it up on the wall, you put it on

01:05:54.100 the front.

01:05:54.480 I didn't know they could do this.

01:05:56.100 Here's how crazy.

01:05:57.040 Here's how crazy it is.

01:05:58.100 They could go to a homeless guy and they can say, how would you like to be an anonymous

01:06:04.760 source that makes this claim?

01:06:06.260 Yeah.

01:06:06.500 Homeless guy says, done.

01:06:07.720 They go, got it.

01:06:08.960 They then go publish a story claiming the actual justice warrior was caught selling bananas

01:06:13.740 to children on a playground or something, according to our sources.

01:06:17.680 And then when you file a defamation suit and you say this is this is a false statement of

01:06:22.920 fact, they say we have an anonymous source who confirmed that you did it.

01:06:26.900 And then when the lawsuit comes and the judge orders the journalist, they go, I will never

01:06:31.760 reveal my source.

01:06:32.980 And they don't have to.

01:06:34.300 Well, no, they'll be held in contempt.

01:06:36.820 And I think the longest.

01:06:38.380 But journalists have protections.

01:06:39.240 They have like a shield law, but there are circumstances.

01:06:40.920 But you'll still be held in contempt.

01:06:41.840 Yeah.

01:06:42.060 So you can be held in contempt of court, but typically.

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01:08:11.140 It's like if if if a journalist fabricates a story to make their career, they can simply

01:08:20.360 rest on I will never reveal my sources and gladly spend two months in jail and then come

01:08:26.320 out a martyr and a hero.

01:08:27.780 Right.

01:08:28.400 It's it's it's crooked.

01:08:29.700 And when they go after some like in that situation, they were not expecting that I was going to

01:08:34.280 sue the New York Times.

01:08:34.880 When I went to the lawyers that I had at the time, they're like, sweetheart, like you got

01:08:38.840 railroaded, but you can't sue the New York Times like you don't have the money.

01:08:43.060 The New York Times hasn't lost a defamation suit since the 1960s.

01:08:46.640 And huh?

01:08:47.840 Did you win?

01:08:48.260 So I I got past motion to dismiss, actually.

01:08:53.100 And Harmeet Dillon and her firm, Matt Sarleson, they represented me.

01:08:58.080 And but even when you're in a lawsuit like that, the judge decided twice that I could move

01:09:04.340 forward.

01:09:04.660 But now I have to have higher was it called experts that of how much money I lost, you

01:09:12.020 know, 200, probably like 100, at least 200 grand.

01:09:14.600 And it's already been four years of my life.

01:09:16.680 It's like, you know, I and my attorneys, you know, they asked me, what do you think?

01:09:20.620 And and the other thing is, too, is only one statement went through the the judge said,

01:09:25.900 OK, the one statement about the nude photos can move forward.

01:09:28.980 But then the New York Times could depose me and say, well, did the the rest of your article

01:09:33.560 like kind of ruin your career, too, that, you know, the things that work based on opinion

01:09:37.680 or whatever.

01:09:38.300 So I would have to prove that only that one statement.

01:09:40.800 So if I if they depose me and I said, yeah, actually, this other thing they said could hurt

01:09:44.960 me.

01:09:45.180 Well, OK, well, we don't have to pay you anything then.

01:09:47.180 Right.

01:09:47.340 They'll say you'll say the whole article was bad.

01:09:49.560 And they'll go, really, your honor, that means 90 percent of the damages stem from non

01:09:53.260 viable complaint.

01:09:54.500 Oh, and by the way, she went on Tucker Carlson.

01:09:55.880 So that's also why she can't get a job or, you know what I'm saying?

01:09:58.520 And they they'll pull anything.

01:09:59.840 And so it wasn't a slam dunk.

01:10:01.820 And it's very I mean, there's billionaires that haven't been able to sue for defamation.

01:10:06.180 So I think the real legal system is actually just force people to just settle instantly

01:10:12.360 because judges will not help you.

01:10:14.320 Like I do not.

01:10:15.900 I had a labor dispute 15 or no, this is 20 years ago.

01:10:19.820 And after months of litigation and we had hard proof witness testimony of all of this

01:10:27.040 violation of the law, the lawyers that we had who came back said, you're each going

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01:10:35.820 And I said, whoa, like we've caught them breaking the law.

01:10:39.320 We've got them doing all these things.

01:10:40.160 And they were like, we calculated how much you would have gotten if you weren't fired.

01:10:43.940 And it's six thousand five hundred dollars.

01:10:45.860 You can take this or you get nothing.

01:10:47.800 So we recommend you take it.

01:10:49.220 And I was like, what's the punishment?

01:10:50.720 What's the fine for the company for breaking the law?

01:10:52.080 And they're like, nothing.

01:10:52.820 Right.

01:10:53.320 And I was like, wow.

01:10:54.500 And they were like, but be happy that you're getting you're getting some cash.

01:10:56.940 It's unbelievable.

01:10:57.580 Go away.

01:10:58.040 You have to you have to prove damages and then you can get punitive damages on top of

01:11:02.060 that in theory.

01:11:03.140 We had all like that's a much harder burden.

01:11:05.400 So I think the company must have offered your attorneys a settlement.

01:11:08.080 Right.

01:11:08.160 So I don't want to get in too much detail because of the settlement itself.

01:11:13.600 Afterwards, they say you'll never disparage the company or whatever.

01:11:15.820 But the issue was basically keeping it vague.

01:11:21.420 The company came back and said, OK, it's been six months.

01:11:24.920 We'll give each of your clients about six, seven thousand dollars and then we're done

01:11:27.860 with it.

01:11:28.420 Otherwise, you know, yeah.

01:11:30.640 Like you're going nowhere.

01:11:31.720 And so we actually had the government involved.

01:11:34.220 We had the government actually investigating criminal wrongdoing in labor violations and

01:11:39.140 things like this.

01:11:39.720 And all of them came back and said, guys, we really just want to go get a cheeseburger.

01:11:45.560 And so when I'm talking to like actual employees of government watchdog groups and I'm like,

01:11:50.580 here's all the proof they did it.

01:11:51.800 Here's the witness testimony.

01:11:52.880 There's five witnesses.

01:11:53.540 They were like, do I have to?

01:11:56.680 Can you just take the money?

01:11:58.420 I could sit here and play Pac-Man right now if you weren't my office.

01:12:01.940 And so basically you've got everyone saying, why are you stupid?

01:12:06.140 It's six thousand dollars.

01:12:07.560 Just take the money.

01:12:08.680 And then, of course, it's it's so insane.

01:12:11.740 It's like it's like the trial tax.

01:12:12.960 But for civil court, they come back and then even your own lawyers and even the watch the

01:12:17.680 government watchdogs are like, listen, in three years, there could be a big story about

01:12:23.360 a one hundred thousand dollar penalty.

01:12:25.240 You might end up getting paid twenty thousand dollars, but there's six thousand dollars,

01:12:30.080 a check right here with your name on it.

01:12:32.320 Don't you want to just let them get away with it?

01:12:34.300 And I said, no.

01:12:35.400 And they said, unfortunately, the other clients involved have accepted the money.

01:12:37.940 I'm like, it's all you can do.

01:12:41.280 And the thing is with The New York Times is they have a rule where they actually won't,

01:12:44.980 I guess they don't do settlement.

01:12:46.580 So they won't pay you.

01:12:47.760 So even if they would have agreed to like do mediation and say like, OK, well, we'll,

01:12:52.320 you know, we'll change that one sentence in the article.

01:12:54.520 I mean, but that's what's that going to do for me?

01:12:56.360 I would rather just end the thing and be able to speak freely and I don't have to sign

01:13:00.020 a gag order or whatever to tell my story, because I think, you know, being able to survive

01:13:04.280 a media hit piece is something that is valuable to help other people.

01:13:07.660 I mean, I used to get messages all the time of people telling me like I'm kind of like,

01:13:11.740 you know, thank you for standing up because I was destroyed by the media.

01:13:15.380 You hear about Crowder and, you know, Johnny Depp and you don't hear about the little guys

01:13:19.780 because they they they're told by their lawyers.

01:13:22.020 Well, you can't see The New York Times.

01:13:23.220 You can't do anything about it.

01:13:24.800 That was the example I was thinking.

01:13:26.100 I couldn't think of it.

01:13:26.840 Amber Heard did file a bunch of her allegations in court.

01:13:29.960 And if we take like just her complaint as a source, Johnny, that's a terrible guy, even

01:13:34.900 though he ended up winning that case.

01:13:36.820 And there's counterpoints to be made.

01:13:38.160 Like someone could say he kicked my dog and then you respond.

01:13:40.400 The dog was biting me.

01:13:41.540 Yeah.

01:13:41.740 My question is, why why are so many people triggered by this like Jared?

01:13:47.940 So like I spoke out because I saw some inconsistencies and there's literally people like on X that

01:13:53.100 are huge influencers that I thought I was friendly with that like unfollowed me, didn't

01:13:56.880 you know, didn't want to talk to me anymore.

01:13:58.440 And I'm just like, why is this?

01:13:59.920 So why are people so?

01:14:01.820 I guess that one of the big issues that actually was the reason why I was like, hey, we should

01:14:08.020 do a show on this was the conservative feminists who came out being like Crowder should have

01:14:13.260 to pay.

01:14:14.380 And like this idea that so, you know, what I said was Crowder is paying $25,000 a month.

01:14:21.560 It's a temporary order during the proceedings.

01:14:24.440 It's been it's been stated by numerous people, but everyone's arguing what's true and what's

01:14:28.240 not.

01:14:28.580 So it is in dispute, I suppose.

01:14:30.120 But the Crowder estate, which is both the Crowder and his wife, are paying the legal fees

01:14:35.740 of all the lawyers involved.

01:14:36.800 So which which makes sense, considering you're splitting up assets in a divorce anyway, Crowder

01:14:41.820 then has to additionally pay $25,000 to her per month, which she's then using for all of

01:14:47.140 her legal fees in response to the Crowder lawsuit, which is separate.

01:14:50.500 This is inaccurate.

01:14:51.480 So in in Texas.

01:14:53.080 So I look this up because I assume this to be true because I was like, this is so like

01:14:56.460 bold.

01:14:56.880 So in Texas, at the end of a divorce, the estate will cover the fees that that is something

01:15:02.300 that will happen.

01:15:03.000 But the presumed rule in Texas is that you have to put up the money in the beginning

01:15:08.180 of the proceedings.

01:15:09.500 So since Crowder is a stay at home mom, she Hillary Crowder, obviously both Crowder, both

01:15:14.100 Crowder's her stay at home mom.

01:15:15.120 It's a really weird divorce case.

01:15:16.520 She has to file a petition and then they get a lot her a certain amount of money.

01:15:21.140 That amount is the twenty five thousand dollars.

01:15:23.840 That temporary court order is supposed to cover her attorney fees and minimal living expenses,

01:15:28.360 because the idea is, is if you marry somebody and you get them to leave their job like Stephen

01:15:33.740 did, she was making more money when they got married.

01:15:36.400 And then they're how much I don't he said he said in the past that he wanted the traditional

01:15:40.760 life.

01:15:41.260 So even though she was making more money because they married 10 years like he was starting

01:15:44.400 out so that they you can't just like run up the costs on them when they can't literally

01:15:49.460 have any lawyer like so this is different from like whether you're using a law fair or

01:15:53.780 whatever.

01:15:54.540 And so so that's what the twenty five thousand is for.

01:15:57.980 Like, that's what it's supposed to be covered.

01:15:59.420 And that's why it's a temporary motion.

01:16:00.920 But like, you know, you had said at one point is child support.

01:16:03.700 It's not child support.

01:16:04.820 Texas caps child support, even at the max end at like ninety two hundred dollars.

01:16:08.860 So it's definitely not that this is to cover her her legal costs.

01:16:12.900 But there's been additional documents that she has incurred way more lawyer bills.

01:16:18.940 Lauren Southern actually published it in her video, the actual ruling by the judge

01:16:22.560 that had to have him set aside additional money because you do have to pay for the these

01:16:27.700 individual motions and all these different hours related to the case.

01:16:31.020 So that money has been wildly misinterpreted on purpose, by the way, by Gerald, that this

01:16:35.760 is money that she's putting in her pocket in order to spend.

01:16:38.120 It's just not true.

01:16:39.300 My my view on this, what I tweeted was, OK, fair, fair point on the child support.

01:16:43.040 If it's not child support, it was like a temporary.

01:16:44.540 It's like it's like an allotment.

01:16:45.700 He has to pay her during that.

01:16:46.800 And that's to protect Crowder, right?

01:16:48.120 Because if it was the estate that just paid unlimited, then she could do like, you know,

01:16:52.420 what a lot of people think he's doing, where you're just running up the costs on the estate.

01:16:56.300 So by the time the divorce is over, so my point is my point was that he has to pay her for

01:17:01.580 I believe she initiated the divorce.

01:17:03.480 She filed.

01:17:04.660 But like, remember, she filed after Crowder had already hired a lawyer and moved out of

01:17:09.040 the house and cut her off financially.

01:17:11.320 So like technically she initiated the divorce and legal documents.

01:17:14.600 I think she's entitled to nothing during these proceedings.

01:17:17.740 And I think the problem is no fault divorce.

01:17:20.640 And I think the we're not dealing with a traditional at fault divorce.

01:17:24.440 We're dealing with irreconcilable differences.

01:17:26.900 And I think the real answer should have been that when problems arose, a judge told them

01:17:31.320 both STFU, you are in a marriage.

01:17:34.600 It is a sacred covenant.

01:17:36.060 You will not do X, Y and Z.

01:17:37.580 The problem I have with this is marriage has become dating.

01:17:42.080 It's dating, dating with like strings attached in the financial world after the fact.

01:17:51.220 No, no, no, no, no.

01:17:52.640 Don't get married if you don't get married.

01:17:54.060 Okay, if you if and if you don't want to get into a position where you have to file for

01:17:58.080 a divorce and hire lawyers for these reasons, then don't get married at all.

01:18:01.740 And so the issue is not so much like in this argument I'm making, it's not to do with Hillary

01:18:07.040 or Stephen specifically, it's about the fact that we live in this world where people get

01:18:13.160 married and then go, you know what?

01:18:15.220 It was a mistake.

01:18:16.220 Let's sever ties.

01:18:17.600 You pay me like, okay, hold on.

01:18:19.660 This whole thing is broken.

01:18:20.740 The whole thing is broken.

01:18:22.040 The other the other point, you know, so like Lauren Southern responded to me saying or she

01:18:27.340 responded in general to many people.

01:18:28.560 So what Hillary gives up her job for Stephen, but now that they're getting a divorce, she

01:18:34.560 has no money.

01:18:35.300 And I'm like, even if she kept her job, she would never have anywhere near as much money

01:18:41.980 as Stephen Crowder has.

01:18:43.380 Like, so I don't appreciate this argument that Crowder as a wealthy man pays her 25k a

01:18:48.360 month.

01:18:48.560 If Stephen Crowder was worth nothing and had no job, we wouldn't be having this argument.

01:18:52.200 So it's not an issue of whether she's entitled to as a woman and give up her job.

01:18:56.120 It's an issue of Stephen has money, therefore they think he should pay.

01:18:59.340 So there's an interesting phenomenon here that for some reason has emerged in this particular

01:19:03.220 case where you're seeing a lot of these traditional conservatives actually come out as full on

01:19:08.400 feminist as soon as it comes to the issue of divorce.

01:19:11.080 I don't think it's feminist at all.

01:19:12.500 If you want to incentivize traditional marriage, like you can't like put one party in a position

01:19:18.240 where they get totally like ripped off in case of a divorce.

01:19:21.340 You're correct.

01:19:21.860 And the response is to not allow divorce.

01:19:23.240 The feminist response is to say that all these women need to like store away money in case

01:19:27.700 of a divorce.

01:19:28.120 No, it isn't.

01:19:29.000 Like in order to pay for it.

01:19:30.520 Like the, the, the, the traditional response to how you fix marriages, divorce is not allowed.

01:19:35.880 Okay.

01:19:36.380 But there's rare circumstances where like a guy is threatening to murder and beating his

01:19:40.040 wife and his kids.

01:19:41.460 And infidelity is one of these things.

01:19:43.640 These, these are people who I don't think those accusations are on the table.

01:19:46.280 They're, they're mostly just angry with each other and yelling at each other and they're

01:19:49.560 not getting along.

01:19:50.300 That's where a judge comes in and says, you are grown adults.

01:19:53.500 You will behave appropriately.

01:19:55.140 You have children.

01:19:56.320 Those children need functioning parents.

01:19:58.180 You will treat this relationship properly, get therapy.

01:20:01.340 And at the very least, if you don't like being around each other, you will be professional.

01:20:05.220 And, and you chose this, this covenant.

01:20:08.360 We are now as a society.

01:20:09.920 This is why it is absolutely a feminist position to say we should allow for divorce over irreconcilable

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01:20:15.520 Like, what are you, what are you advocating for?

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01:21:50.720 Then don't get married.

01:21:53.120 Don't get married.

01:21:53.980 This is what I'm saying.

01:21:54.760 You don't have to get married.

01:21:55.600 Nobody made them do it.

01:21:56.860 They said, let's get married.

01:21:58.140 And then 10 years later, they're like, I'm having fun.

01:22:00.480 I quit.

01:22:01.000 So in your theory of how this should work, you should be able to theoretically, using

01:22:06.380 an example, not related to this at all.

01:22:09.560 Let's say your immediate personality and you move out, buy a townhouse, and then you cut

01:22:13.560 your wife off financially.

01:22:14.580 Like, you should be able to do that.

01:22:17.080 There should be no court redress for that.

01:22:19.740 Because that's what happened in this case.

01:22:21.820 So no, no, as long as you don't get divorced, though.

01:22:23.900 No, the judge will say, stop.

01:22:26.240 You are married.

01:22:27.620 STFU.

01:22:28.140 You will both be in this house.

01:22:29.400 You will raise your kids.

01:22:30.220 You will stop fighting and you will get therapy.

01:22:31.760 If you don't want to get married, don't get married.

01:22:34.180 You just said that you don't trust judges in the way that they handle people with money

01:22:37.400 versus no money.

01:22:38.200 And now you're like, the judge needs to assess whether or not you should live in the same

01:22:41.960 house.

01:22:42.400 Yes, that's completely irrelevant to the point that I'm making.

01:22:45.340 OK, so let's talk about if you don't want to get married, you don't get married.

01:22:49.420 Instead, the the the progressive feminist and liberal response has been let's weaken

01:22:55.180 the institution of marriage.

01:22:56.280 And I'm like, whoa, leave marriage as it is.

01:22:58.160 People just don't have to get married like they're people need to understand.

01:23:02.720 And I'm and part of me, I'm kind of glad we're seeing all this because when you see

01:23:07.540 the the shocking reality of divorce, many people realize like, oh, there's a problem

01:23:12.340 here.

01:23:12.540 Maybe I shouldn't get married.

01:23:13.340 Maybe you shouldn't.

01:23:14.600 It if you get married and you swear an oath till death do us part, I do not believe you

01:23:19.920 should be allowed to get divorced unless they accept in extreme circumstances like traditionally

01:23:23.800 what it used to be was infidelity, abuse, criminal activity, things like this with the issue

01:23:29.740 with the crowders.

01:23:30.980 Yes, I very much believe a family court judge should say the problem here is two people who

01:23:35.920 don't get along, be adults, grow up, shut your mouths, do not fight in front of the kids.

01:23:42.180 That's it.

01:23:43.100 OK, so let me because I mean, like that's like an ideal like perception of what should

01:23:47.740 be.

01:23:48.120 But like, let's say that meets your parameters for something that you can get divorced over.

01:23:52.900 OK, and but you have a traditional abuse and stuff.

01:23:55.600 Yeah.

01:23:55.780 Yeah.

01:23:56.000 Well, like not this case, but like, let's say a theoretical case.

01:23:59.440 Yeah.

01:23:59.580 Something like that.

01:24:00.800 So in that particular case, like let's say the one of the people is same situation.

01:24:05.700 It makes all the income.

01:24:07.000 The other person gave up their job 10 years ago.

01:24:09.420 Like, should they be able to run up the cost?

01:24:11.980 And like when the other person can't afford an attorney, be frozen out of the estate, even

01:24:16.240 though that estate in Texas law, it's not a it's not a it's not a singular scenario.

01:24:20.460 In the instance of, say, abuse, a woman shows up to the police covered in blood with teeth

01:24:25.220 missing and then they go, OK, we're arresting the guy's not working.

01:24:28.000 But if you eventually file for divorce in that kind of situation, like how should the attorneys

01:24:33.500 be paid for?

01:24:35.700 In in in a situation of like a woman is being mercilessly beaten.

01:24:39.320 Yeah.

01:24:39.400 Like an abuse situation that meets your criteria for divorce.

01:24:42.740 Right.

01:24:42.920 I think I think in perhaps then, yes, the the estate itself would be used to fund the

01:24:49.720 proceedings for both sides.

01:24:51.160 Like Texas law says, if if you have, you know, one person who can't pay or whatever, or like,

01:24:55.360 you know, I'm talking about during the proceedings, the fam, the family is a dual income.

01:24:59.040 Like they file jointly, they're married or whatever.

01:25:01.920 Then it should be that the divorce lawyers are paid.

01:25:06.260 Now, I think the issue there is you don't really have the same kind of divorce law when

01:25:09.960 you have evidence of clear violations of fault in a divorce.

01:25:14.980 Now, that being said, infidelity is where things get do things do get particularly troubling.

01:25:19.440 And I know a lot of people then say, Tim, the problem here is women will fabricate or men

01:25:23.840 will fabricate.

01:25:24.620 They'll accuse each other of infidelity.

01:25:25.780 And I'm like, yeah, bad people do bad things.

01:25:28.240 How about you don't get married?

01:25:30.420 Well, I think the but the reason you got so much pushback is because like the practical

01:25:34.260 reality is, is that a lot of people on the right are pushing for a more traditional like

01:25:38.640 stay at home, like kind of marriage situation.

01:25:40.620 Now I'm getting married, but my fiance is going to make pretty good money.

01:25:44.580 Like she's currently working on her career and all that.

01:25:47.040 But and but like, you know, I would expect if I got her to stay at home, if like we were

01:25:51.480 to get divorced, that I wouldn't be able to drown her in legal costs and like, you know,

01:25:55.420 half your states or whatever.

01:25:56.640 Texas, if you were poor.

01:25:57.840 Well, if we were first of all, if you're poor and you were poor, yeah, if yeah, same

01:26:01.480 thing, if I didn't have the money to cover it, we're married.

01:26:04.520 Yeah.

01:26:04.660 From the from our joint estate.

01:26:06.180 Yeah.

01:26:06.340 Yeah.

01:26:06.540 My problem is no fault divorce.

01:26:08.080 It's not it's not that Crowder has to pay.

01:26:11.180 It's that it's no fault divorce, like getting divorced for we're fighting a lot.

01:26:17.120 But I'm saying this is why you're getting pushback.

01:26:18.740 It's like the misstatement of the 25K, which, to be fair, that was put out intentionally,

01:26:22.580 I believe, by Latterick Crowder to make it seem like it's greedy Hillary.

01:26:26.220 That was their narrative.

01:26:27.580 And then it was the it's the idea that like, yeah, the traditional housewife gets totally

01:26:33.600 screwed under your scenario.

01:26:34.820 But why is there is a divorce?

01:26:36.220 Why is it unfair to criticize Jared?

01:26:38.720 That's what I'm like.

01:26:39.900 So I wasn't getting involved in the whole thing.

01:26:42.120 And people were like, I made a funny video of it was like, have you seen the social network?

01:26:46.780 You know, when they're basically it was about the Facebook and they basically have one of

01:26:52.160 the partners sign a contract and he comes and he's really mad at Mark Zuckerberg because

01:26:56.100 he signed the contract.

01:26:56.860 He basically signed away his shares, but he signed it.

01:26:58.960 And I mean, you know, they had litigation over.

01:27:00.900 Anyway, I mean, like a funny video, like, you know, not gay Jared, I thought was like

01:27:04.580 a comedian.

01:27:04.980 And people were just like, you are so you know, they're they're treating Jared like he's this

01:27:09.480 dainty flower that can't be criticized.

01:27:12.120 And I'm like, why?

01:27:13.740 I mean, why can't we just criticize?

01:27:15.400 And it's all these people.

01:27:16.380 And I'm guessing it's because of the Hillary thing that they're they're so triggered by

01:27:20.220 it.

01:27:20.380 But it's like you should be able to ask questions about Jared.

01:27:23.400 I think a lot of people don't like Steven Crowder, to be fair.

01:27:26.300 Yeah.

01:27:26.440 That that's that's 100 percent built into this process.

01:27:29.300 I don't find myself in this camp.

01:27:30.620 Like, I don't care about the divorce.

01:27:32.880 I didn't even know his wife's name until this whole thing came up.

01:27:35.980 Like, that's the way I want to live with people in their personal people who hate Crowder,

01:27:39.280 like say things like Tim's friends with Crowder.

01:27:41.780 That's why he's doing this.

01:27:42.420 I'm like, I think I've talked to Crowder 10 times in my life.

01:27:45.700 But but that's the thing.

01:27:46.540 So there's always going to be a huge portion of people that if you come out against Crowder,

01:27:49.780 it doesn't matter.

01:27:50.360 They're going to be on that side.

01:27:51.180 Do you agree that if you're like dunking on Taylor Lorenz and all these journalists all the

01:27:55.440 time because they're using shady tactics, they twist media narratives, they and if you're

01:28:00.500 going to say that that's wrong, then and you figure out that maybe something Jared is doing

01:28:05.540 is a little manipulative and twisting a narrative and whatever, like, why is calling that out

01:28:11.340 now all of a sudden you're, you know, we're going to take you out of the cool club.

01:28:15.000 It's like the mean girls club.

01:28:16.200 I got all these mean girls against me.

01:28:17.600 And I'm like, well, why?

01:28:18.320 There is a clicking element.

01:28:20.120 Like, these are these are all like the case.

01:28:22.300 Like, you know, people don't like Steven.

01:28:23.700 So anybody who says anything, even if it was like, even if this guy, even if it wasn't

01:28:27.640 Jared and it was just a random guy claiming to be Jared and we all knew it wasn't him because

01:28:31.980 it was like some Asian dude.

01:28:33.320 And we're like, we've all seen what Jared looks like.

01:28:35.140 There will be people mad that you didn't take the fake Jared side.

01:28:39.240 Let me, let me read a super real quick for as a super chat.

01:28:41.840 Little Rock says an attorney, Latterworth Crowder can address what has been said by Jared and

01:28:46.740 they can talk about what has been filed as a complaint response or exhibits.

01:28:50.060 There was no violation by Gerald and he was advised by an attorney and everything he said

01:28:53.920 was reviewed.

01:28:54.900 So you asked, why don't they address the issue of seizing his social media accounts?

01:28:59.720 I, I, I'm not a lawyer, so I wouldn't, but my assumption would be this.

01:29:03.520 I don't know if this guy's actually a lawyer or not, but it sounded like he was saying

01:29:07.300 that he could have addressed it in that super chat.

01:29:09.980 No, he's saying they didn't because they could only address.

01:29:13.340 Oh, no, no, you're right.

01:29:13.900 Right.

01:29:14.120 Yes, yes, you are correct.

01:29:14.920 Yeah.

01:29:15.060 He could have addressed what, uh, what Jared had said.

01:29:17.960 Like that, that's like, that's the issue I had.

01:29:19.900 Cause I'm like, I'll hear both sides.

01:29:21.400 Like my issue with Jared is like, he's like, I can't tell a side.

01:29:24.660 So full disclosure.

01:29:25.540 And it was for the meme.

01:29:26.960 I donated $1 more specifically than Ben Shapiro just for the meme.

01:29:31.540 Like when in my life, am I ever going to be able to spend more money than Ben Shapiro on

01:29:35.260 anything?

01:29:35.840 Wait to Jared.

01:29:36.600 Yeah.

01:29:36.800 500, $501.

01:29:38.320 They give him $500.

01:29:39.660 And as soon as it was confirmed, it was him on his Twitter account.

01:29:42.080 I was like, $501 I'm better than Ben Shapiro, like for the meme, but like, wait, Ben Shapiro

01:29:47.680 gave Jared $500.

01:29:49.500 I can't believe anybody gave Jared money.

01:29:52.300 I mean, uh, as soon as I saw this, I was like, wait a minute.

01:29:56.700 He's saying he needs money because of a non disparagement, non disclosure, but he's violating

01:30:00.160 it right now.

01:30:00.980 Well, it's like immediately.

01:30:02.080 I was like, what it's the impending legal action or whatever that's he's going to, you

01:30:05.960 do need money for lawyers.

01:30:06.940 If you're going to get into a legal battle, I just, I immediately found it odd.

01:30:12.080 That a guy claiming he needs legal fees to fight an NDA was violating the NDA.

01:30:15.900 I'm like, well, you already violated it.

01:30:17.420 What do you need?

01:30:17.920 Like if, if you are.

01:30:19.300 So when I was a kid, my friends would be like, I was like, Hey, you want to go skate?

01:30:22.860 And I can't, I'm grounded.

01:30:23.980 And I would go, what does that mean?

01:30:26.080 And they're like, well, I can't go outside.

01:30:27.560 And I'm like, why not?

01:30:28.320 Cause I'm grounded.

01:30:29.460 What will happen if you go outside?

01:30:30.880 What do you mean?

01:30:31.800 I can't.

01:30:32.440 I'm like, like, no, let's like take your skateboard, go outside.

01:30:34.500 What happens?

01:30:34.960 I'll get grounded more.

01:30:35.980 And I'm like, okay, so you're grounded longer.

01:30:37.740 Then what happens?

01:30:38.780 What do you mean?

01:30:39.120 I can't go outside again.

01:30:39.980 I'm like, what happens if you're grounded longer?

01:30:41.580 And then you go outside again, they'll ground me even longer.

01:30:43.500 And I was like, do you see where we're going with this?

01:30:45.940 So the dude doesn't have the money for, for, he doesn't have money in general.

01:30:50.540 He's under legal action, which you can't get blood from a turnip.

01:30:54.760 And what do they say?

01:30:55.980 There's a saying in, in, in, in, there's another saying related to this in, in law,

01:30:59.500 suing someone who's penniless or something like that.

01:31:00.840 And, uh, uh, you like, you'll always lose or whatever.

01:31:04.220 So he's like, help.

01:31:05.340 I need money because I'm under an NDA that I'm currently in violation of right now.

01:31:08.540 So I don't fear the consequences of losing the case because I will instantly, as soon

01:31:12.320 as they show the video I use for the fundraiser.

01:31:13.940 And I'm like, yeah, but so it's flushing money down the toilet.

01:31:17.140 He could, he could presumably win with his NLRB, uh, complaint.

01:31:20.540 Here's another red flag, by the way, guys, is like the day after he raises all this money,

01:31:24.940 uh, was it like quartering posted something and he, and he reposted and he's like, if

01:31:29.660 you keep, um, saying these opinions about me, I'm going to sue you.

01:31:33.180 And I'm like, first of all, you can't sue for defamation over opinion.

01:31:35.580 So nobody should be taking legal advice from Jared.

01:31:39.140 Okay.

01:31:39.560 And then his attorney.

01:31:41.140 So, cause I called it out.

01:31:42.420 I called a couple of things out and his attorney starts responding to me.

01:31:45.520 And, uh, and I was like, well, he basically the attorney says, um, well, if somebody talks

01:31:51.640 bad about you, you know, you should just like say, you know, the opposite.

01:31:54.940 You just come out and say the other thing.

01:31:56.500 And I'm like, for an attorney to be like, make it so simple of like, once a lie is spread

01:32:00.220 in the world and it's damaging your business, it's not like you can just put it back in the

01:32:03.400 box.

01:32:04.000 This guy is simplifying things, I think on purpose.

01:32:06.900 And I mean, the, the, the whole filing about the NDA, in my opinion, it's just like, this

01:32:12.180 is a loophole.

01:32:13.100 We're going to make this whole big deal about an NDA, which a lot of people sign NDAs.

01:32:16.620 We're going to get him out of the NDA because to be fair, I did talk to an attorney and

01:32:20.840 she said, you know what?

01:32:21.480 It's in the, the non-solicitation clause, or sorry, not the non-solicitation, the NDA

01:32:25.960 may have been overly broad.

01:32:28.000 So when-

01:32:28.800 But isn't there also a non-disparagement?

01:32:31.280 Uh, yes.

01:32:31.700 I believe it was a non-disparagement and a non-disclosure.

01:32:34.080 So I guess from what she explained to me-

01:32:36.740 I think in the non-disclosure, because they have the text in that, that guy's post.

01:32:39.840 I think it's like, it says in the non-disparagement, like you also don't say anything about-

01:32:43.860 The fact that it's like in perpetuity, that could be damaged.

01:32:46.940 She, she basically said that she felt as though the NDA was sort of drafted, you know, by,

01:32:53.980 it wasn't drafted in a very, uh, well done way.

01:32:56.860 Because normally they're meant to protect trade secrets.

01:32:59.420 Like, you know, let's say-

01:33:00.840 Non-disclosure.

01:33:01.500 Yeah.

01:33:01.720 Like, let's say like, you know, we were, we work here and then, which we don't, but

01:33:06.040 let's say we work here, but, um, like you're doing a documentary or whatever.

01:33:09.440 Like I, I can't, because I signed a non-disparagement, send-

01:33:13.100 No, no, no, no, hold on.

01:33:13.460 These are different things.

01:33:14.840 Non-disclosures.

01:33:15.240 Oh, non-disclosures.

01:33:15.880 Right, right, right.

01:33:16.280 I want to make sure they're separate because I want to address the non-disparagement too.

01:33:18.680 Yeah, they're different.

01:33:18.720 Yeah, I meant the non-disclosure.

01:33:20.280 Sorry, obviously it's not disparaging for me to say what I'm going to say.

01:33:23.020 I can't go and say, hey, yo, Tim's working on a documentary about this particular case

01:33:27.380 or whatever, like to the Daily Wire, and then they scoop you for it.

01:33:30.600 So we, we have NDAs here and it's specifically for that reason.

01:33:33.260 And people need to understand that that doesn't preclude someone from, like, if someone came

01:33:38.660 out and said, Tim did bad thing, they're like, release the NDA, Tim.

01:33:42.400 No, no, no, no.

01:33:42.980 The NDA doesn't stop them from doing that.

01:33:44.920 Not disparagement might, right?

01:33:46.680 Not disparagement would.

01:33:48.320 Non-disclosure simply means they can't release information pertaining to the operation of

01:33:51.800 the business.

01:33:52.440 Right.

01:33:52.600 So, if someone said, Tim did bad thing, I could argue, ha, but bad thing was part of

01:33:59.040 business.

01:33:59.560 And a judge, depending on what bad thing was, would be like, shut up.

01:34:02.880 That's, you're wasting our time.

01:34:04.520 And so this doesn't apply.

01:34:06.760 And so we've actually had instances where, without getting into too much detail for...

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01:35:37.100 Did I mention that we care?

01:35:38.300 I guess legal reasons, because when I mentioned these lawsuits, we've we've had a handful from

01:35:44.820 both us being sued and us suing others.

01:35:47.500 There have been instances where people have done things that I would I would say are crimes,

01:35:51.620 but the things they did involved the release of information that I would say probably is

01:35:59.940 on the line of how the business operates.

01:36:01.800 Yes, but no lawyer would actually think it was a plausible argument.

01:36:05.720 So there are people who are able to actually break the law, get away with it.

01:36:10.020 We've had we've had several instances where crimes are committed against us and the government

01:36:13.980 is just like, we don't care.

01:36:15.480 Screw you.

01:36:16.100 Right.

01:36:16.520 The judges say, is anyone hurt?

01:36:18.440 No.

01:36:18.800 Then we're not doing this.

01:36:19.820 And I'm like, these are federal felonies.

01:36:21.800 And they're like, we don't care.

01:36:22.560 Well, even lawyers will advise you sometimes, like when this whole thing happened, people

01:36:25.800 were like, well, why didn't you just sue all the influencers?

01:36:27.660 Didn't they have contracts with you?

01:36:28.720 And it's like, I went to the lawyers and, you know, at first I was directing my frustration

01:36:34.440 at the influencers and they're like, what are you going to do?

01:36:37.920 You're going to you as a talent agent who wants to develop talent, you're going to go

01:36:42.820 sue a bunch of influencers, you know, that some of them haven't made it yet, you know,

01:36:46.620 and some of the people that spoke bad about me, I wasn't even signed.

01:36:51.380 I had actually said, no, thank you.

01:36:52.780 I don't want to represent you.

01:36:53.880 And they went to Taylor and said, oh, yeah, we were signed to Ari and we got a bad deal.

01:36:58.080 I mean, these people can twist things, but people that don't have a lot to lose are kind

01:37:02.040 of dangerous sometimes.

01:37:03.080 This is why non disparagements exist.

01:37:04.900 So the NDA, the non disclosure is like we've developed methodologies and technologies here

01:37:10.980 at Timcast for how we operate.

01:37:13.540 There's forward facing things.

01:37:15.420 I find absolutely hilarious when I see people doing the same thing we do.

01:37:19.540 I'm like, wow, it's really crazy that people have used the same font, the same structure of

01:37:24.000 videos and like all these other other things.

01:37:25.860 It's like, why not?

01:37:26.980 You know, if it works, people want to make sure it works.

01:37:29.880 So internally, there are things that like the way we hang the cameras, they're not in

01:37:35.020 the walls.

01:37:35.480 And we have in the new studio, we have wiring that goes internally.

01:37:38.280 The way we made that operate, the way we made it so that you can easily access and replace

01:37:42.440 cables while they're running through the whole walls of the studio is our specific methodology.

01:37:47.180 And it's very light.

01:37:48.420 It's a technology in that we've created a system by which wires can run and be easily

01:37:53.720 accessed.

01:37:54.140 We don't want our trade secrets that we spend tons of money on to be given to other people

01:37:59.400 so they can compete with us.

01:38:00.660 To be fair, in that instance of the wiring, I really don't care.

01:38:03.400 But we do have other things.

01:38:04.920 Typically, I'm totally fine with explaining how we do things, how it operates, how much

01:38:09.020 money videos make, why they make that money.

01:38:11.000 We have we have tons.

01:38:11.840 I have tons of people who are like, I'd love to come and have you just tell me all these

01:38:14.960 things.

01:38:15.140 And I'm like, yep, no problem.

01:38:16.420 I don't need to charge money to anybody to consult.

01:38:18.940 We could, but it's fine.

01:38:19.880 However, the reason non disparagements exist, separate issue is you had people who you did

01:38:27.960 not represent who lied.

01:38:29.560 Now, why would they do that?

01:38:31.360 It's like, I don't know you.

01:38:32.840 We're not enemies.

01:38:33.820 I have no issue here.

01:38:35.060 They see an opportunity for gain.

01:38:37.180 And so if you and everything is content.

01:38:39.260 Remember, these are people that want to be famous.

01:38:40.980 They will do anything to be famous.

01:38:42.480 And you have Taylor Lorenz over here.

01:38:43.780 Well, maybe if you're in The New York Times, you could get verified.

01:38:46.100 I mean, before Instagram verification was like the holy grail for influencers.

01:38:49.380 That's all they wanted.

01:38:50.640 So we don't have non disparagements here.

01:38:53.060 I know why companies do, because we've had instances where people make up lies about what's

01:38:59.420 happening here.

01:39:00.420 It's the weirdest thing.

01:39:01.900 And so if someone is, let's say I'm gonna give a total hypothetical.

01:39:06.100 John Smith is working for a big company and he gets caught stealing.

01:39:09.900 He gets caught red handed, not on camera, no hard criminal evidence, but the boss sees

01:39:14.860 it, writes him up for theft and then says, you are immediately terminated.

01:39:18.280 Hand over your badge and never come back.

01:39:19.680 You're lucky we're not calling the police or they do call the cops.

01:39:22.380 And the cops are like, look, we don't have any proof he committed.

01:39:24.460 It's going to be hard to prove.

01:39:25.520 We say just terminate him for cause.

01:39:27.400 This is the reason.

01:39:28.440 The guy walks out the door, fuming and angry that he got caught, immediately calls a journalist

01:39:32.320 and says the guy was exposing himself.

01:39:34.620 Then the New York Times says we have an anonymous source who claims or not even this person

01:39:39.480 was fired after he caught his boss or a woman gets fired or a man and more probably in this

01:39:45.260 scenario, more so a woman and accuses the boss of impropriety or harassment.

01:39:49.340 So then you create non disparagements so that not so that you can cover up your wrongdoing,

01:39:54.700 but so that they can't go and lie to make money and grift off of their wrongdoing.

01:40:00.020 And this is like, I mean, anybody that watches reality TV, I mean, you you'll never see a lot

01:40:04.820 of the people that are on The Bachelor that are on Love is Blind, they don't release the

01:40:09.360 secrets of the behind the scenes because they know that there's this big company, ABC, that

01:40:13.580 they can come after them.

01:40:14.560 Even look at Tucker Carlson.

01:40:16.120 You hear him bad mouthing Fox, you know, people and even Dave Landau.

01:40:20.260 I mean, they people abide by these agreements because they know a big company could sue me.

01:40:25.440 For example, when Taylor Lorenz was coming after me and she was saying that I didn't pay influencers

01:40:31.180 on time, which was not true in order to basically provide exculpatory information, stuff that

01:40:38.300 would say that, you know, I was innocent.

01:40:40.600 I would have to breach my NDA with said company that was supposed to pay us.

01:40:45.540 Right.

01:40:45.800 So if I go and say, oh, this Fortune 500 company paid us late and that's why the influencers

01:40:50.760 not didn't get paid, not because I didn't pay them.

01:40:53.380 Then that Fortune 500 company could sue me because I broke my NDA.

01:40:57.400 So my lawyer was like, even though this will basically exonerate you, you can't share that.

01:41:01.840 And what did I do?

01:41:02.440 I complied, but, you know, I did the right thing.

01:41:05.180 And I feel like...

01:41:06.620 Isn't there normally like a court proceedings like carve out?

01:41:09.320 I think even in the non-disparagement that they published for Jared's case, like it's

01:41:13.400 like, except obviously if there's like court proceedings, like there were the terms of the

01:41:17.260 deal.

01:41:17.860 All the influencers breached their non-disparagement NDAs with me, but I...

01:41:22.200 Is that an issue because I didn't have the money to see them all?

01:41:24.080 It's the third party company that was involved?

01:41:26.720 Like, so is that...

01:41:27.460 Well, so here's why I have some like empathy for the Crowder situation is because somebody

01:41:32.780 that has nothing to lose is really messing with your business.

01:41:36.760 And then you have these people over here that are probably going to benefit.

01:41:40.280 You know, I don't...

01:41:41.140 In my situation, it was UTA.

01:41:43.660 And so, of course, you're like trying to get to the bottom of it.

01:41:46.580 Now, I don't know who, you know, Stephen Crowder sounds like he has a lot of enemies.

01:41:50.740 You know, I don't know how...

01:41:53.600 Do you think the conservative media space is very competitive in terms of...

01:41:57.960 Or you think...

01:41:58.700 No, it's pretty complimentary.

01:42:00.940 Friendly.

01:42:01.600 Yeah.

01:42:02.380 Yeah.

01:42:02.840 I mean, so I don't know how, you know, but it does seem like he really had a fight with

01:42:07.640 Daily Wire.

01:42:08.400 And of course, I'm not saying that they are behind it.

01:42:11.200 But if you find out that somebody's having turmoil, right?

01:42:13.620 And they're like your enemy and your competitor.

01:42:15.940 And you find out they're having a messy divorce.

01:42:18.360 And like, if you could add a little fuel to the fire of somebody that you really hate,

01:42:22.960 I don't see...

01:42:23.800 You know, it's like just Ben Shapiro doing the $500.

01:42:27.340 Maybe he wasn't behind it.

01:42:28.520 You know, it's just like...

01:42:29.240 That's a statement though.

01:42:30.220 Yeah.

01:42:30.520 Let me get my people to like really...

01:42:33.080 You know, you messed with us.

01:42:34.520 Now we're going to...

01:42:35.300 That's typical, I guess, in any competitive spaces that people are going to want to take

01:42:39.100 down their competitors, especially somebody that slighted them.

01:42:41.480 Man, the Daily Wire...

01:42:43.000 Like Crowder, the Daily Wire have a lot of haters.

01:42:44.580 You know what I mean?

01:42:46.160 Like they certainly have their big fan bases, but Crowder's got a lot of people, especially

01:42:49.520 on the right, who just hate him.

01:42:50.740 The Daily Wire, especially.

01:42:52.140 I think the Daily Wire now because of the Candace Owens stuff.

01:42:54.720 I think Candace is fantastic, by the way.

01:42:56.380 I like...

01:42:57.400 You know, I tweeted this before.

01:42:58.700 I didn't think much of Candace Owens until I went on her show.

01:43:00.980 And I wasn't saying I didn't think much of her in the negative sense.

01:43:04.720 Like, I don't think much of that guy.

01:43:05.560 No, no, no.

01:43:05.840 What I meant was I rarely...

01:43:07.300 She rarely ever came to mind.

01:43:08.480 I didn't pay attention to her.

01:43:09.360 I didn't follow her.

01:43:10.160 I didn't really think of her at all.

01:43:11.420 And then when I went on her show and we actually talked, I found her logic to be sound, well

01:43:16.400 researched.

01:43:16.960 And I was fairly impressed.

01:43:17.760 I was like, wow, she's actually pretty good at what she does.

01:43:19.460 And she doesn't back down when she believes something to be correct.

01:43:21.800 So I can respect that.

01:43:22.820 So when she's at the Daily Wire and is saying the things that she wants to say, and then

01:43:28.020 Ben Shapiro comes out and says, you know, we have an Overton window at the Daily Wire.

01:43:32.720 We're not going to support certain ideas.

01:43:34.540 It flies in the face of things he's had in the past about other companies doing the same

01:43:37.820 thing.

01:43:39.140 So I can understand why people are like, oh, the Daily Wire.

01:43:41.500 Yeah, I saw it.

01:43:42.200 Was it Andrew, the comedian?

01:43:44.000 Andrew Klavan?

01:43:44.580 Yeah, talking about it.

01:43:45.620 Oh, no.

01:43:46.220 The comedian, somebody else.

01:43:47.420 Andrew Klavan works at the Daily Wire.

01:43:48.440 Not Andrew Klavan.

01:43:50.260 Flagrant podcast.

01:43:51.160 Anyway, he was talking about that as well.

01:43:53.300 And I think...

01:43:53.980 Yeah.

01:43:54.400 I mean, I've seen Ben's statement and he's like, yeah, like I would never advocate for

01:43:58.040 somebody to be removed from a platform, but we're a publisher and we have like an ideology.

01:44:02.600 And by the way, good on Megyn Kelly asking him that question.

01:44:04.620 Do you agree with dissent in the conservative space except when it comes to Israel?

01:44:09.140 And like the very, very well put question.

01:44:11.860 I'm sorry.

01:44:12.500 Like, I understand why Ben cares about Israel.

01:44:14.240 I do.

01:44:14.860 But it's just like here at Timcast, it's such a low priority.

01:44:19.100 You know, like, but I agree with Ben.

01:44:21.600 If someone here was advocating for child sex changes, we'd probably...

01:44:27.040 Right.

01:44:27.500 Like, do you develop a lot of talent or like, I feel like developing talent is difficult.

01:44:33.700 I guess.

01:44:33.880 I mean, I feel like what Daily Wire has been...

01:44:36.420 I feel like Daily Wire kind of has like a monopoly of the conservative, of like developing talent

01:44:41.500 underneath a conservative publisher, media company.

01:44:44.360 You don't think so?

01:44:45.200 Because you've done this.

01:44:47.080 Like, so what you mean is like you've had people on that were relative nobodies and became

01:44:50.360 more successful like on your show and then left, right?

01:44:53.280 Like, well, like...

01:44:55.020 At some point.

01:44:55.700 So, uh...

01:44:56.760 Luke Rutkowski...

01:44:59.560 We are changed before that.

01:45:00.780 We are changed.

01:45:01.140 His is well before.

01:45:02.180 Freedom Tunes.

01:45:02.900 So these are the co-hosts that we've had.

01:45:04.680 And Phil Labonte, they all had their own platforms for coming on.

01:45:08.080 And, uh, Luke and Seamus came on as just recurring guests.

01:45:11.580 Phil is a private contractor for other areas of the company.

01:45:15.720 And we have him on as a co-host.

01:45:17.360 And it's of his own volition, like...

01:45:18.660 But I'm saying in your time, like where you've been on the platform, like you've developed...

01:45:21.860 Like you've developed people that...

01:45:23.280 I'm saying it's benefited all of them as personalities coming on the show.

01:45:26.380 Because like...

01:45:26.880 But I don't have...

01:45:28.320 There's no...

01:45:28.800 I have no contracts with these people.

01:45:30.000 Like, so let me stress.

01:45:31.360 For Phil, our agreement is mostly around like consulting in entertainment and stuff like this.

01:45:36.020 And then as an aside, because he's here.

01:45:38.360 I'm like, whenever you feel like coming on the show, you guys deal with it.

01:45:40.700 And we love having him.

01:45:41.840 He's a smart guy.

01:45:43.000 Luke and Seamus, we had no agreements with.

01:45:45.500 And I was like, come hang out.

01:45:46.760 Come on the show whenever you feel like it.

01:45:48.280 There's no restrictions.

01:45:49.560 No requirements.

01:45:50.560 They can promote their own stuff and whatever.

01:45:52.660 They still benefit from the show.

01:45:54.300 We...

01:45:54.540 Like, I gotta be honest.

01:45:55.520 Like, I think we're really bad corporate-wise here at Timcast in terms of...

01:45:59.760 I'll never go public for this reason.

01:46:01.960 We don't have non-disparagements.

01:46:03.560 Maybe we should.

01:46:04.900 We don't do, like, agreements with people who come on the show for occurring roles.

01:46:08.460 And, like, maybe we should.

01:46:10.060 I don't know.

01:46:11.080 We're fairly like...

01:46:12.120 Yeah.

01:46:12.840 Hey, look.

01:46:13.560 Unlimited sick time.

01:46:14.260 I'm a conscious thing.

01:46:15.580 I think the Daily Wire business model, though, is to develop talent, use their platform.

01:46:20.140 What I thought is really interesting is, like, the Brett Cooper model.

01:46:22.920 So, I've watched this kind of behind-the-scenes thing.

01:46:25.580 They had this idea for a Gen Z wholesome girl that was going to talk about conservative topics.

01:46:31.180 And they actually sent out, like, a casting thing.

01:46:34.300 And a bunch of people responded.

01:46:35.540 And they saw Brett Cooper.

01:46:36.420 They're like, she's adorable.

01:46:37.460 She's going to do it.

01:46:38.040 And then they built the show around her.

01:46:40.060 Right.

01:46:40.260 And so, you know, if you look at her views compared to Ben and Candace, she gets more views than all of them.

01:46:46.420 And so, one of the things I did think that, like, if I were the Daily Wire, I would have been really mad at Crowder, was that there was some...

01:46:55.720 I don't know if Crowder implied it, but there was talk about that Brett Cooper has a terrible contract with the Daily Wire, you know, because of the term sheet that Crowder got.

01:47:06.520 Now, Crowder was already independent, a huge person.

01:47:08.960 And so, to compare Brett Cooper's contract with Steve, it's like apples and oranges, you shouldn't be able to do that.

01:47:14.500 But when somebody, you know, when you have a talent that's happy, that's bringing in a lot of money, bringing in a lot of views, and then there's somebody, you know, a competitor that's basically shading their contract.

01:47:24.020 And now, potentially going to cause, like, an Alex Cooper barstool situation where that person wants to leave, that would really upset me.

01:47:33.000 Or Tommy Leonard would be the blazer.

01:47:35.300 So, I think that may have put a target on Crowder's head.

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01:49:10.900 No term.

01:49:15.500 Actually, we might have a term contract.

01:49:18.060 I'm not sure, though.

01:49:19.060 I could be wrong.

01:49:20.000 But we don't have any of this.

01:49:21.980 Your social media stuff.

01:49:23.280 We own.

01:49:23.840 None of that stuff.

01:49:24.940 At any point, I'm like, yeah, if a different company came to them and said, wow, you're so great.

01:49:29.360 We love your show.

01:49:29.940 We want to hire you.

01:49:30.500 I'd be like, oh, well, I guess they can leave.

01:49:33.280 My attitude is always, if you don't want to be here, you shouldn't be here.

01:49:35.500 And I don't like the idea.

01:49:36.300 So I love this conspiracy theory about Candace Owens, which I don't think is true, but it's funny

01:49:40.660 that she came out with the Bridget McCrone as a man thing to force the contract to break.

01:49:46.040 So that was a little like, she's like, I will bet my whole career on this.

01:49:50.400 I was like, wow.

01:49:51.280 And I don't know.

01:49:52.120 I believe this is true.

01:49:53.100 The Daily Wire took those episodes down.

01:49:55.240 Oh, they did?

01:49:55.980 Well, there were people.

01:49:56.840 Because they could get sued.

01:49:57.240 People were tweeting this.

01:49:58.560 And when I looked on Apple, like one of them wasn't there.

01:50:01.520 But I'm like, is it possible that Candace was having discussions with upper management

01:50:06.200 Daily Wire?

01:50:07.180 And they were saying things like, you know, look, you work here.

01:50:11.160 We don't, you're not, you have a contract.

01:50:12.660 You got to finish the contract.

01:50:13.540 And Candace is like, I want to leave.

01:50:14.660 I don't want to be here anymore.

01:50:15.560 And they were like, you got to finish out your contract.

01:50:17.720 And then Candace went, okay, Bridget McCrone is a man.

01:50:20.460 And then they're like, okay, you can leave.

01:50:22.040 You can leave.

01:50:23.040 I don't know that that's true.

01:50:24.080 But I had a conspiracy that was proven wrong, I guess, because I found some inside information.

01:50:28.420 But, you know, Candace launched that Daily Wire channel with them on March 21st, 2021.

01:50:34.400 And then Jeremy Boring came out and said that they were ending their agreement on March 22nd,

01:50:39.020 2024.

01:50:39.800 So I'm like, I think it was just a three-year contract.

01:50:42.040 I agree.

01:50:42.520 But, you know, somebody with inside information said, no, actually, she did get fired.

01:50:46.860 But wouldn't that make sense?

01:50:48.360 I'm like, oh, you know, isn't that just a weird coincidence?

01:50:51.320 I don't believe, like, what does it mean to get fired, right?

01:50:53.780 So when I worked for Fusion, I was actually trying to break the contract.

01:50:57.100 And they said, no, when my contract expired, they called me up and said, thank you and

01:51:00.440 have a nice day.

01:51:01.000 And I said, thank you very much.

01:51:02.220 And so certainly people there are going to be like, oh, wow, they called Tim and told

01:51:05.380 him he doesn't work here anymore.

01:51:06.240 And it's like, oh, he got fired.

01:51:08.600 No, I was trying to quit, but I was under contract.

01:51:10.280 When the contract ended, they then said, okay, now you can leave.

01:51:12.920 So I wonder if, you know, Jeremy Boring said on that Twitter, on that X space, I can't

01:51:18.100 comment.

01:51:18.580 Obviously, someone running a company, I can't comment on people have been fired or whatever.

01:51:21.900 And everyone went, he confirmed it, he fired her or whatever.

01:51:24.660 And I'm like, I think the contract expired.

01:51:27.800 And then they said, have a nice day.

01:51:29.700 I don't, we don't know.

01:51:31.460 I know that somebody was trying to review that.

01:51:33.580 Yeah, well, because I kept saying, oh, I think it's a three-year contract.

01:51:36.000 I have a crazy conspiracy about this too, right?

01:51:37.840 And it ties back into Crowder.

01:51:39.320 It's all connected.

01:51:41.040 So listen, Candace saw what they offered Crowder.

01:51:45.620 I don't think Candace got that offer.

01:51:47.440 I think we had a Tommy Lahren situation where she was like, I need to get out of here and go

01:51:51.940 make like money or do my own thing or something like that.

01:51:54.920 And she was looking to get out of her contract because maybe like the Crowder deal was like

01:51:59.300 a lot for her.

01:52:00.240 Maybe.

01:52:00.860 This is my totally like nonsensical conspiracy that everything's secretly about money.

01:52:05.760 A lot of it is.

01:52:06.600 A lot of it is.

01:52:07.240 Yeah.

01:52:07.300 So, uh, I can't remember when were we in, was it two years ago when we were in Nashville

01:52:11.860 at Timcast.

01:52:12.560 I can't remember, but, uh, we went down and we did a week in the mobile studio with the

01:52:17.540 daily wire guys.

01:52:18.300 It was awesome.

01:52:18.760 We did a special episode with Ben Shapiro.

01:52:20.840 And, uh, while there, uh, we didn't go down there for the explicit purpose of talking about

01:52:26.380 Timcast joining daily wire or anything like that, but obviously we're hanging out and

01:52:30.700 they said, you're doing really well.

01:52:32.460 You're really big.

01:52:33.320 What can we do together?

01:52:34.200 Is there, is there something we can do?

01:52:36.780 And I always tell people, there is no, no in business.

01:52:38.620 There's only terms.

01:52:39.720 And so I said, what do you got in mind?

01:52:42.000 And they said, here's what we think X, Y, and Z.

01:52:44.020 One of the things was, I said, uh, I feel like you got, I feel like the daily wire is

01:52:48.040 stodgy, right?

01:52:49.320 Suit wearing, you know, proper traditional approach, you know, and, and we're kind of weirdos

01:52:54.440 at Timcast skateboarding, weird clothes, rockstar, Luke is a weird libertarian guy.

01:52:59.620 And they're like, exactly.

01:53:00.480 That's why we love it because it's a, it's a, it's an overlapping space.

01:53:03.360 So we think would benefit everybody.

01:53:05.420 And, uh, I've been in a lot of negotiations with big companies, big corporations.

01:53:10.200 I, I have tremendous respect for Jeremy Boring.

01:53:12.500 It was, it was the, in terms of the meetings I've had, Jeremy was the most legit and honorable

01:53:20.000 business meeting I've ever had.

01:53:21.920 And I couldn't believe it.

01:53:23.140 I'm like, I'm waiting for the, for the BS.

01:53:25.840 And he was, he, he talked to me like, like we're sitting here talking right now, dude,

01:53:30.520 I've been at these meetings where they say these things that are stupid and obvious lies

01:53:35.580 because they're hoping you're stupid enough to fall for it.

01:53:37.600 And then you call them out and they go, oh, you know what?

01:53:39.820 You were right.

01:53:40.640 That, oh, okay.

01:53:41.600 We'll have to change that.

01:53:42.180 I'm like, no, that's it.

01:53:43.260 You've wasted my time.

01:53:44.540 No, with Jeremy, everything was straightforward.

01:53:46.260 We went over numbers and the ultimate conclusion was, uh, well, with all due respect, they couldn't

01:53:51.820 afford it.

01:53:52.520 Right.

01:53:52.740 It didn't make sense as a business.

01:53:54.320 Right.

01:53:54.620 And like when Jeremy came out with that video to explain the whole crowd, like I, because

01:53:59.480 I've been in these negotiations, like what he was saying made a lot of sense to me.

01:54:03.520 Um, and it's like, I don't know.

01:54:05.980 I just feel like there's obviously jealousy and like in life and business.

01:54:11.200 And there's people that, um, think that they can do what you do, right.

01:54:14.640 They think that they can have a, you know, a studio and, and, and employees.

01:54:18.900 And just because you're a personality, it doesn't mean that you can run a business.

01:54:22.300 I think I've heard you talk about it before, but it's like very in the weeds, the people

01:54:26.400 that are watching this stuff, maybe they don't even really care.

01:54:28.980 They don't need to know how, you know, how you bake the cake or whatever.

01:54:31.660 They just want to consume it.

01:54:33.440 And I think that like, but, but because there's this, um, you know, sometimes when you have like

01:54:39.020 a legal spat or whatever, it becomes content.

01:54:41.880 I mean, Dave Portnoy, when he fought with the girls, he went on their podcast and was

01:54:47.300 like, these are the most greedy, like, this is the most greedy, disgusting thing I've

01:54:51.900 ever experienced.

01:54:52.600 You know how Dave is like, he'll just put it out there.

01:54:55.100 I mean, it's so, it's great.

01:54:56.620 And people love that, but it's like, you know, I think people are, are, are starting

01:55:00.580 to realize that this is, and everybody picks a side.

01:55:03.260 The, I will say the, the, the, you know, in talking with the daily wire guys, there's one

01:55:08.320 thing I will admit in two seconds, man, if we had their managerial and marketing apparatus,

01:55:14.320 all the stuff we do would be 10 times bigger.

01:55:16.420 They, they do an excellent job of all that stuff.

01:55:18.640 And, uh, you know, I can look at a camera and complain.

01:55:21.420 That's about how I'm going to, but that's the thing is like, when you get to a certain

01:55:25.320 like scale, like you're never going to be more successful, uh, under another umbrella.

01:55:30.980 Like, that's the problem.

01:55:32.060 That's why they built it on your own.

01:55:33.680 No, no, no, no.

01:55:34.560 I even, even later, like those barstool girls, cause they were getting, they got a great deal

01:55:38.580 for 99% of people.

01:55:40.840 We're going to give you a shot.

01:55:42.040 Here's a flat fee for a contract or whatever.

01:55:44.100 And they were that overwhelming, you know, the Tommy Lahren where they find some 20 year

01:55:48.320 old and she becomes a super success.

01:55:50.340 And then like, I just, I disagree.

01:55:51.680 I genuinely believe, and this is like one of the first things Jeremy and I were talking

01:55:55.220 about is that if we had their production managerial and marketing apparatus behind us,

01:55:59.700 we would be 10 times bigger.

01:56:01.100 Like the money would be massive.

01:56:02.860 Yeah.

01:56:03.060 You have to respect what you would take would be, would be cause you get a flat fee based

01:56:08.920 on like, you know what I mean?

01:56:10.540 I, I, I, I don't want to say too much about without getting into the details in theory.

01:56:14.860 It was, it wasn't a flat fee.

01:56:16.700 Okay.

01:56:17.040 It was, it was a pretty good deal and it just, it didn't work.

01:56:20.340 The issue was, you know, basically what I said to the guys is it is a great deal.

01:56:24.940 You are right that like we're down here and daily wires here in terms of experience and

01:56:29.160 apparatus and that would lift us up super quick.

01:56:31.920 I'm also kind of, I was like, I think, I think I said this publicly.

01:56:35.300 I was like, one of the problems is like, what if I feel like buying a billboard that

01:56:38.380 says Liz Cheney is a fat pig?

01:56:40.240 And then I went, Oh yeah.

01:56:42.280 Like, like it's, you gotta be in a team if you're here and there's like strategies and

01:56:46.380 PR stuff.

01:56:47.340 And so I was like, you see, that's the problem.

01:56:51.160 And ultimately what it came down to was I believe they're correct.

01:56:55.340 But I also think, you know, I was like, I guess the problem is there's a certain point

01:56:59.420 for me, I guess, where we make enough to where, even if you offered me a hundred million dollars,

01:57:06.560 I just be like, I don't know what to do with that money.

01:57:08.900 You have independence though, and being able to run your own thing and you're happy with

01:57:12.900 that, right?

01:57:13.840 Yeah.

01:57:14.400 The issue about not being able to afford it was like, I literally wouldn't know what

01:57:18.140 to do with the money other than give it away.

01:57:20.000 So it's like, we, we, we do well here.

01:57:22.580 I think it'd be great if we like, you know, we've been saying on the show, like everyone

01:57:25.700 should get fit by November.

01:57:27.300 I think those things would greatly benefit the anti-establishment libertarian conservative

01:57:31.760 post, whatever you want, anti-woke movement.

01:57:33.780 And I'd love it if that was a message that went out to a hundred million people, but I'm

01:57:37.700 also kind of like, I think the real challenge is not so much the money, but like, you know,

01:57:44.980 I want to buy a billboard and I want to insult Liz Cheney.

01:57:47.020 You know what I mean?

01:57:47.280 Do you agree though, that like when you go into a deal, so everybody's like, well, he

01:57:50.860 got it, you know, Crowder gave a bad deal.

01:57:52.400 Also, if you're a business, you're obviously going to ask for, you're going to put something

01:57:56.640 forward that is in your favor and then see what, cause it goes back and forth like ping

01:58:00.900 pong.

01:58:01.280 No way.

01:58:01.760 No?

01:58:02.160 I say no way.

01:58:03.560 You come to me with an offer that does that.

01:58:06.060 I throw it in the garbage and say, don't email me again.

01:58:08.200 Well, depending on the leverage though, right?

01:58:09.720 Cause what if you're a Brett Cooper, you don't have a show, you don't have any followers and

01:58:13.420 they're like.

01:58:13.900 Same, same thing.

01:58:14.460 When I was first starting out, one of the big agencies, one of the big five or whatever

01:58:18.540 gave me a massive contract and I went into the garbage and I was like, don't waste my

01:58:23.380 time.

01:58:23.860 And they were like, you're never going to make it in this industry unless you're willing

01:58:26.200 to play a ball.

01:58:26.920 And I was just like, dude, I'm not going to hire a lawyer to go through your stupid

01:58:30.100 contract.

01:58:31.100 One of the, one of the biggest radio networks wanted to syndicate, uh, my morning, my morning

01:58:35.320 show.

01:58:35.620 And we had this great meeting and they talked and they said all these great things.

01:58:40.220 And they were like, here's how we'll do it.

01:58:41.760 We're going to sell ads.

01:58:42.700 We're going to keep 20%.

01:58:43.620 And I was like, this is fantastic.

01:58:44.700 They're like, you're looking at three to $4 million a year.

01:58:46.720 And I was like, wow.

01:58:47.560 And the contract they sent me included clauses that said they own the whole company from this

01:58:52.640 point forward.

01:58:53.380 Basically what they were like, Ooh, I hope he signs this because then we own it instantly.

01:58:57.580 And I, and I, I read through it and I said, Hey, there's a clause in here that says upon

01:59:01.660 signing you, you assume ownership of my company.

01:59:04.060 And they were like, well, you know, these things are in there.

01:59:06.320 And I said, I was like, email me when you're serious.

01:59:09.220 And they emailed me back and said, these things are totally normal in contract negotiations.

01:59:13.000 Tim, you should hire your lawyer to redline these things.

01:59:15.260 And I said, if you aren't taking this meeting seriously and you expect me to spend money

01:59:20.580 because you're trying to sneak garbage into this contract, you are an untrustworthy business

01:59:24.220 partner.

01:59:24.820 Have a nice day.

01:59:25.740 Bye.

01:59:25.940 I mean, Tim, they were just trying to get you on a radio show, but also secretly take

01:59:29.860 your whole company.

01:59:30.860 Like this is why I was saying, I like the daily wire because when I, when I, when we went

01:59:35.100 through all this stuff, there's none of that.

01:59:37.320 Jamie was like X, Y, and Z, A, B, and C. What do you think?

01:59:39.200 And I was like, wow, that's a, that's a pretty good deal.

01:59:40.820 I just don't know.

01:59:41.760 I do agree.

01:59:42.600 I disagree.

01:59:43.440 Well, I agree that I think that you should put a contract that you think is fair, but

01:59:47.700 you, there might be something that's really important to someone that you don't know

01:59:51.140 about.

01:59:51.300 Like for example, I had, I would do carve outs all the time for my influencer.

01:59:54.460 So I had, um, you know, a girl that came and she's like, I already have a, um, a t-shirt

01:59:59.800 company or whatever.

02:00:00.720 And so, and it's doing really well and whatever.

02:00:02.440 And so I'm like, okay, well, we're not going to help you build that because you already

02:00:04.880 have that.

02:00:05.320 So I'll carve that out.

02:00:06.340 Anything that you make off of that, I won't take a penny of it.

02:00:09.660 But if you're coming in and, and you, you know, I'm going to have you live in a TikTok

02:00:13.580 house and spend all this money to develop you and we're going to do a clothing brand

02:00:17.160 together and I'm going to hire a marketing company to do the emails, you know what I'm

02:00:20.460 saying?

02:00:20.720 And then, then yeah, I would like a piece of that.

02:00:23.140 And so I think that in any, you have to kind of figure out what is important.

02:00:27.480 Yeah.

02:00:27.580 I'm not going to know for sure that she had a t-shirt company.

02:00:29.760 So maybe it would have said, Hey, if you have a t-shirt company, then I get a piece until

02:00:33.680 she tells me, you know, this is what I think is fair.

02:00:36.340 And with those influencers I had, I went back and forth for like months with them.

02:00:40.880 So for them, for the article to be, um, you know, getting signed isn't everything, you

02:00:46.600 know, I want to be an influencer, but getting signed isn't everything, making it seem like

02:00:49.740 I'm some type of witch that, you know, that's not fair.

02:00:52.660 That's totally normal.

02:00:53.440 Like I have a guy that grabs the sponsors for me, but I had preexisting relationships

02:00:57.600 with nonprofits or a nonprofit.

02:01:00.180 So I'm like, yeah, I need a carve out for that.

02:01:02.500 Right.

02:01:02.840 And they're like, Oh, I don't know if we could do that.

02:01:04.500 But I'm like, I'm not signing because it's easy to see how somebody can say, like, you

02:01:09.740 see how Crowder gave a bad deal.

02:01:11.520 It's like, people said that about me too.

02:01:13.380 I mean, I just think it's important to go like, but we have to see it.

02:01:17.000 Like that's one of the, we don't have a lot of this information.

02:01:19.680 One of the most fascinating things in this industry, especially running any business

02:01:23.100 is the people who are like, you should give me more money than I produce.

02:01:26.940 Yeah.

02:01:27.380 And you're like, okay, well, how do I, how do you suppose I do that?

02:01:29.880 And they'd be like, I don't know, do it.

02:01:31.160 And you're like, no.

02:01:33.120 So the way, the way we, we do things here is, uh, if you have preexisting IP that you're

02:01:38.920 working on, we likely will not hire you, but we can contract you for certain things.

02:01:43.020 So that's why there's a handful of people here who are just contractors for one set

02:01:46.860 thing.

02:01:47.360 And that means there are certain limitations on what they can and can't do with the

02:01:50.060 company.

02:01:50.320 And then for anybody who works here, we own everything.

02:01:56.660 So if you say, I want to come work for your company, anything you make while here, we own.

02:02:01.540 However, the way we basically structure the deals is once we recuperate initial investment

02:02:07.400 on your labor costs, production costs, or whatever we do, we then basically start scaling up your

02:02:15.500 pay to the point where we're, we're taking it like more like an agency than an employer.

02:02:18.740 So these way to describe it is, let's say somebody writes a book and the book fails.

02:02:23.640 Okay.

02:02:23.920 Well, how much do we spend on, on you to write the book?

02:02:27.260 Right?

02:02:27.580 Okay.

02:02:27.760 So your salary at the time over the period of writing this book was, you know, 15, $20,000.

02:02:32.680 So we'll put that in the red.

02:02:34.200 Don't worry.

02:02:34.600 We're going to keep paying you your salary.

02:02:36.440 But if that book sells a million copies, we're going to subtract what we already paid you

02:02:41.500 and the costs around it, and then keep 20% and the rest goes to you.

02:02:45.540 So it's, it's good that you use a book as an analogy, because that sounds like an advance

02:02:49.080 for a publisher.

02:02:50.040 Like you give you a certain amount of money.

02:02:51.080 Well, so, so just, just to clarify, like a lot, what a lot of companies will do is they'll

02:02:54.160 say, we'll pay you a hundred thousand dollars a year to do the show.

02:02:57.020 And then we'll give you a bonus up to X amount.

02:02:59.940 Then the show is generating millions of dollars and they're like, too bad.

02:03:02.740 I said, we don't, we don't do it that way.

02:03:04.220 So I don't know the full deal of the Portnoy thing, but the way I would do it.

02:03:08.000 And I think this is better for retaining talent too, is if, if you, I'm like, Hey, look, if

02:03:12.740 your show makes $10 million and it costs us 800,000 to produce, we'll take a million.

02:03:16.860 You can have the rest.

02:03:17.440 So we get that, we get that premium on top, on top.

02:03:19.880 That basically makes it worth us for us to continue operating as a profit, but you get

02:03:23.320 rich.

02:03:23.720 We're here to support you.

02:03:25.000 Portnoy tried this by the way, because he was like, listen, like they had 18 months left

02:03:28.660 on their contract.

02:03:29.240 It was something like that.

02:03:29.980 And he was like, the show makes so much money because they were a huge hit.

02:03:33.720 They were like the number six podcast in the world.

02:03:35.840 Which one was it?

02:03:36.360 It was like the call me daddy.

02:03:37.560 Call her daddy.

02:03:38.260 Yeah.

02:03:38.680 So it was, it was that.

02:03:40.100 So it made so much money.

02:03:41.440 Also because it filled a niche that Barstool didn't have.

02:03:44.080 It was women.

02:03:44.740 I mean, they didn't really have women before that.

02:03:46.220 He's like, I'll shorten the term.

02:03:47.640 You can keep the IP, but please do the show for like six months more.

02:03:51.280 Especially because it was keeping them going throughout the pandemic.

02:03:53.820 That was what was paying the bills, I guess.

02:03:55.700 Because they were like, they, I think they got paid like an initial deal, which, you

02:03:59.140 know, is a great deal.

02:04:00.100 It was like a sliding scale based off of downloads and merch sales.

02:04:04.080 I'm going to give you extra bonuses.

02:04:06.040 He was very honest.

02:04:06.720 He's like, every podcast is like a hundred K in ad sales.

02:04:09.680 So like, he's losing so much money for them not doing this weekly show.

02:04:13.440 Well, he's like, I'll shorten the term.

02:04:15.380 They're about to be super shady.

02:04:16.940 You know, there was a guy that worked.

02:04:18.480 He calls him suit man.

02:04:19.740 It's so funny.

02:04:20.720 The whole saga is hilarious.

02:04:22.040 It got actually, that whole saga got me interested in call her daddy because I didn't even hear

02:04:26.340 about it before.

02:04:27.380 But suit man was this like a suit.

02:04:29.620 And I think, I don't know if he was a talent agent or he worked at HBO, but he was dating

02:04:32.940 one of the girls, this girl Sophia.

02:04:34.300 And he was the one that said, why don't you guys just leave, call her daddy.

02:04:38.120 You don't leave the IP behind and start this thing at Wondery.

02:04:40.940 And we're going to call it the fathers because they called themselves, you know, the daddy

02:04:44.320 gang.

02:04:44.640 And so anyway, so he, so this guy was like advising his girlfriend and, and his girlfriend

02:04:50.380 was Sophia and Alex.

02:04:51.800 And so he causes all these problems.

02:04:53.980 Well, at the end, Alex Cooper takes the deal that Barstool gives and Sophia doesn't take

02:05:00.740 it.

02:05:01.200 Well, guess what?

02:05:02.700 Alex got the IP and then she went and got a $60 million deal with Spotify.

02:05:06.900 Guess what, guess what Sophia got not even mentioned on the first, she hasn't even been

02:05:12.900 mentioned on the podcast.

02:05:13.960 Like it's like she went away and honestly, she got a bad deal, but it's, it's bad business

02:05:18.660 to go around and screw people over.

02:05:21.160 I'm sorry.

02:05:21.660 I don't agree that, I don't agree that their deal was bad.

02:05:24.680 Like, look, there was a, there was a time that, well, I know you don't know, but there

02:05:28.500 was a time when I started out, if you offer me a contract of like, you know, like around

02:05:32.760 50 K a year guaranteed money, I probably would have considered it.

02:05:36.440 Cause I was not, you know, when you start out a YouTube channel, you're making like four

02:05:39.660 grand in ad sense.

02:05:41.100 Right.

02:05:41.640 But like, you know, later, pretty good.

02:05:43.840 Yeah.

02:05:44.280 Well, I meant for like a first, like, or second year.

02:05:47.240 So like, you know, it's, it's pretty bad.

02:05:48.920 So then I'm like, but like, there's like times now where I found my taxes and I'm like, what

02:05:53.620 I would have taken as a salary.

02:05:55.400 I'm now like chucking at the government.

02:05:57.740 Right.

02:05:58.340 So it's like, but like at the time that stability, it's a consistent paycheck.

02:06:02.260 Stability is huge.

02:06:03.280 I mean, to be honest with you now, I'm like in this game.

02:06:06.080 And I mean, at first I was like, oh, you know, maybe, maybe the daily wire would hire

02:06:10.900 me.

02:06:11.080 And then I'm like, no, I mean, like I have like pictures of me with like a low cut shirt on.

02:06:14.520 I'm like, God forbid, you know, there's no way they could hire me.

02:06:17.120 So, you know, maybe, but would I take a job maybe at Barstool or at Valuetainment or,

02:06:23.020 you know, I would consider it for sure because it's, it is stability.

02:06:26.640 Haven't you heard that I'm a daily wire show?

02:06:28.540 And even though I don't know anybody there, I'm going to get hired with them imminently.

02:06:34.160 Me and Anna are going to do a show there.

02:06:35.720 Anna Kasparian.

02:06:37.100 It's going to happen.

02:06:38.280 All right.

02:06:38.620 Good luck.

02:06:39.080 Just manifest it.

02:06:40.160 I wonder though, why do you think that people aren't doing that Brett Cooper model of like,

02:06:43.740 you know, coming up with a format and, and then hiring the talent for it?

02:06:49.480 They do.

02:06:49.960 Yeah.

02:06:50.480 It's just, you got to find someone who's actual talent.

02:06:52.800 You only know them when they're Brett Cooper.

02:06:54.640 You don't know all the ones that they miss on.

02:06:57.040 And there's a lot of them.

02:06:58.160 You think a lot of media companies are doing that?

02:06:59.780 Oh, absolutely.

02:07:01.040 Tommy, Tommy Lahren was the big one before.

02:07:03.440 Like the blaze developed this girl from 20 years old to like, now she's on Fox, right?

02:07:07.880 Look at X, for example, like they're hiring Don Lemon.

02:07:10.540 Why don't they build people out?

02:07:12.120 Or, um, I don't know.

02:07:13.360 I feel like people are trying to get, I'll tell you.

02:07:15.860 Yeah.

02:07:16.160 Um, anybody who's got the skills to do it, uh, doesn't need your money.

02:07:22.920 And, uh, like, so look, I go to the daily wire.

02:07:25.820 They say, Hey, we'll pay you a lot of money.

02:07:27.020 And I'm like, yeah, but I already have my own company.

02:07:29.580 I can do whatever I want.

02:07:30.400 And I'm rich.

02:07:31.140 So like, why would I take this deal?

02:07:32.500 And they're like, well, you'll be richer.

02:07:33.920 And I'm like, I don't know what that means.

02:07:37.360 So, you know, I've talked to people who've got growing channels and I said, would you

02:07:42.580 want to sign with us?

02:07:43.900 We'll basically, we'll pay you more than you're making now.

02:07:46.120 And then here's how the deal would work.

02:07:47.460 Like we take a percentage off of it.

02:07:48.980 And they're like, why would I do that?

02:07:50.720 And I'm like, because you'll have more money now.

02:07:52.700 And they're like, I'll have more money in a year.

02:07:54.000 And I'm like, yep, fair point.

02:07:56.040 It's interesting that you say that because I feel like we're living in a time where everybody

02:07:59.280 wants to be a creator.

02:08:00.160 And I think that maybe what it is, is that it's still hard to find talent.

02:08:05.020 Like we're paying a premium for talent because people that are, have, you know, the work ethic

02:08:11.020 to do it, the, you know, they have the consistency.

02:08:15.580 I mean, it's, you would think that there'd be millions of people you could choose from,

02:08:19.260 but it's still a very small amount of people that can like survive as independent creators.

02:08:24.800 I talked about this skateboarder who has a channel and he's got a couple hundred thousand

02:08:28.860 subscribers and he did an interview on some podcast where he was like, it sucks.

02:08:32.900 It's not what people think it is.

02:08:34.240 Being an influencer is not fun, blah, blah, blah.

02:08:35.740 And the issue is a lot of people think that being an influencer is you're in front of a

02:08:42.480 camera having fun things and you make, you make money.

02:08:44.920 What, and I was like, what this guy didn't understand is being an influencer is being

02:08:49.440 a video editor, a photographer, uh, you know, you got to do thumbnails, you got to do your

02:08:53.240 own marketing tags.

02:08:54.480 Yeah, exactly.

02:08:55.740 So it's not, it's not just, and this is, this is basically what the daily wires pitch

02:09:00.700 to me was like, just be Tim pool.

02:09:03.380 Let us do the business and it'll be bigger.

02:09:05.260 And I'm like, you are correct, but I kind of like doing business.

02:09:08.220 Yeah.

02:09:08.380 It's the, it's the word behind the scenes is like you get, cause I'm constantly in editing.

02:09:12.280 Like I'm now like pushing to do like more videos a day and I fully edit them.

02:09:16.160 So I'm like, like it's, it gets annoying, but like, I enjoy that backend stuff and it's

02:09:21.120 like, I don't want, like you could do it.

02:09:23.040 Like, you know, uh, like my friend nuance bro is teaming up with Lisa who like works

02:09:27.060 for you, the booker.

02:09:28.060 And they're doing a show right now where they just shoot the nonsense and nuance podcast

02:09:32.160 or whatever they shoot.

02:09:33.260 And like somebody takes care of it.

02:09:35.040 They, they clip it.

02:09:35.960 They do all that stuff.

02:09:36.860 That sounds so nice.

02:09:39.160 But at the same time, I kind of liked the grind in the back.

02:09:42.160 And I like knowing all that stuff.

02:09:44.860 Creators.

02:09:44.880 I think the ones, I mean, if you look at Mr. Beast, what he did is he, you know, he was

02:09:48.900 like just going back and forth with thumbnail.

02:09:51.880 I mean, he lives and breathes content creation and he loves it.

02:09:55.620 And that's what it takes.

02:09:56.780 But a lot of people just see, and they, Oh, I want to make money as an influencer.

02:10:00.400 They don't realize like what you read his quotes and you're like, he's on a whole other level

02:10:04.260 because he's so concerned.

02:10:05.480 He's like, I, he's like, I could eat dinner with my friend or make, or make a quarter of

02:10:10.460 a million dollars in that hour.

02:10:11.760 Like, but like, like, but, but here's the question I have for that too.

02:10:15.920 It's like, and do what with?

02:10:18.160 Oh, he gives it away.

02:10:19.680 I know.

02:10:20.220 That's that, that, that's the challenge.

02:10:22.560 I mean, the hard thing is obviously if, you know, the Tim cast company was making 10 times

02:10:28.240 more money, we'd be doing crazier things, but it's like, it can only grow as it can grow.

02:10:35.020 You know, uh, uh, an important thing to understand is money, money doesn't do what people think

02:10:39.780 it can do.

02:10:40.560 Money, money is, is like, it's not going to change the limitations of humanity.

02:10:46.080 For instance, we've been trying for two years to open this coffee shop.

02:10:49.120 And the biggest problem we've had across the board is contractors.

02:10:54.480 We've got a great team that works, uh, works with us now.

02:10:56.680 And we're super excited, but we've gone through, through so many who will just take your money

02:11:01.700 and run.

02:11:02.300 And there's nothing you can do about it.

02:11:04.460 So you'd think having money, you could be like, I'm going to open a business and we're

02:11:08.320 going to, yeah, good luck that you got to go through government.

02:11:10.520 Then the government acts like it's not their fault.

02:11:12.440 And then there's permitting.

02:11:13.720 And then there's, oh no, now you got to do this thing.

02:11:16.280 They keep kicking it back.

02:11:17.580 Oh, we didn't realize that was a problem.

02:11:19.120 Now do this.

02:11:20.200 So you, if someone, if someone came to me and said, we'll put a hundred million dollars

02:11:23.680 in your bank account, I'd be like, what am I going to do with that?

02:11:26.200 You could, you could make chicken city out there like a lot more elaborate.

02:11:30.000 I already have a 700 square foot chicken city live stream.

02:11:34.840 And I'll tell you, this was a funny thing.

02:11:35.900 When we launched it, we were at the daily wire.

02:11:37.300 It was making $20,000 a month.

02:11:40.540 Chicken city.

02:11:41.840 Okay.

02:11:42.640 Was making $20,000 a month.

02:11:45.960 I was probably promoting it.

02:11:47.300 We put up a billboard in Times Square.

02:11:49.080 I mean, it was chicken city gold.

02:11:51.280 It doesn't make that much, nearly that much money now, but it pays for the chickens to

02:11:55.160 live.

02:11:55.620 So like these chickens are doing the work.

02:11:58.380 We wanted to do a bit where we ordered potato starch sheets and we were going to make paychecks

02:12:03.880 and then feed, like give them out.

02:12:05.360 But then the chickens would eat them, but they actually didn't want to eat them.

02:12:07.420 Well, like, here's the thing that, that, that I think is like a trend right now that's happening

02:12:13.860 is that there's this, like, people understand that if they play the victim in, on their YouTube

02:12:20.980 or whatever, that it's going to give them a boost.

02:12:23.340 And it's this like cry bully thing where it's like, if I, if I do this thing and I think

02:12:28.340 it stems from, they see somebody like a Crowder or like you and they say, well, I could do

02:12:32.720 that.

02:12:33.280 This guy's a jerk.

02:12:34.200 He's making all this money.

02:12:35.340 Like he doesn't deserve it.

02:12:36.800 So I'm going to go ahead and, and do this thing to take them out.

02:12:40.900 And I just like, it bothers me because it's like, people don't realize how hard it is to

02:12:45.100 be an entrepreneur and like really do all the things.

02:12:47.720 And so I just really hate cry bullies.

02:12:50.140 By the way, I made my shirt.

02:12:51.520 It says, uh, it says cry bull or okay.

02:12:54.640 Cry bully.

02:12:56.180 The struggle is fake, but I really think like cry bullies need to be called out because it's

02:13:02.040 for sure.

02:13:02.980 Look, there, it's not a cool way to make content.

02:13:05.200 I mean, I don't know.

02:13:06.120 It's lame way to do content, whatever, whatever contract issues that may come out that I'm

02:13:11.820 actually concerned with aside, especially from somebody promoted himself as, you know,

02:13:15.740 the best example, going to do it different, going to do it better.

02:13:18.720 Uh, like the guy is clearly somebody who built himself up, like, you know, with his team

02:13:23.620 and all that, it's a family business to his success.

02:13:26.120 And there are people who just hate him for being successful a hundred percent.

02:13:29.300 And they think your job is super easy.

02:13:31.540 And to be clear, like I have the greatest job in the world.

02:13:34.100 I commute from, I got a new apartment where I have an actual studio room.

02:13:38.260 I was working out of my bedroom for six years.

02:13:40.740 I commute to the next room over, make videos about things that I'm interested in, edit them,

02:13:46.800 upload them.

02:13:47.420 And then randomly people expect like whatever topic.

02:13:50.260 If I want to talk about the Netflix avatar, last airbender, guess what?

02:13:53.460 I can do that.

02:13:54.240 It doesn't matter.

02:13:54.960 Like where are you based out of?

02:13:55.840 Uh, New York.

02:13:56.460 There's an earthquake.

02:13:57.000 Yeah, my fiance has been texting me.

02:13:59.240 Yeah, 4.8.

02:14:00.580 Wow.

02:14:01.460 That's a big one.

02:14:02.440 Yeah, I certainly think this job is substantially easier than like working at Walmart.

02:14:07.700 I worked at a grocery store when I was a teenager and it's miserable, unfulfilling.

02:14:12.800 I worked at, uh, uh, American Airlines is regional airline.

02:14:16.340 It's, it's, it's, it's the American Airlines company at O'Hare.

02:14:18.680 And, uh, you get, it's tedious.

02:14:21.680 At least you get exercise.

02:14:22.620 I guess I was lifting 50,000 pounds per day.

02:14:25.540 That's crazy.

02:14:26.300 Cause you, all these bags, you're lifting them all.

02:14:28.380 Oh, total.

02:14:29.100 Like you can not, not, not, no, just one.

02:14:31.640 No, it's like you lift so many bags by the end of the day.

02:14:34.060 We like, maybe it's not 50,000.

02:14:35.860 I think we did that.

02:14:36.540 We did the math because eat.

02:14:39.240 The bags are estimated at 30 to 60 pounds on average.

02:14:42.380 And then you lift like, I don't know, a hundred, you know, uh, every load or like depending

02:14:48.300 on what you're doing.

02:14:49.460 So, uh, but those jobs suck.

02:14:51.260 And then it was funny when Hassan said streaming is like the worst job or whatever.

02:14:54.620 Oh my gosh.

02:14:55.500 Social battery, man.

02:14:56.940 Well, so why, why do you think that Jared hasn't like developed his career in the last

02:15:01.580 six years?

02:15:02.080 I think, I think being out of the game for like a couple of years is damaging.

02:15:05.120 If you're not around, you're not relevant, but it also could be like he worked

02:15:09.140 in this niche role.

02:15:10.900 He's a product of Crowder.

02:15:11.800 He doesn't have the wherewithal to become.

02:15:13.140 That's what I think.

02:15:13.720 Yeah.

02:15:14.140 But it's like, his video was all about how it's all Crowder's fault.

02:15:17.740 And I just think, listen, when I was in the lawsuit with Taylor Lorenz, there's a lot

02:15:21.560 of things I couldn't say, a lot of things I couldn't do.

02:15:23.800 And then I come out the gate and I have a, you know, YouTube channel that have a lot of

02:15:27.720 people that are watching.

02:15:28.960 I'm literally like two weeks in now.

02:15:30.720 Granted.

02:15:31.040 You made yourself the talent.

02:15:31.960 Yeah.

02:15:32.320 Well, I did.

02:15:32.860 Cause I'm like, I'm much easier to manage a bunch of other people.

02:15:36.240 But the thing is, it's like, it's still a grind.

02:15:38.320 Like right now, nobody's paying me.

02:15:40.000 Like, you know, you make a couple of super chats here and there, but you know, I like

02:15:43.040 it when, when I was, you know, basically canceled by, by Taylor in my industry, because not everybody

02:15:49.080 maybe cared about this, but you know, my, the big brands, I mean, do you know who Gary

02:15:52.780 Vaynerchuk is Gary V?

02:15:54.460 He was my mentor.

02:15:55.560 I mean, he's a very good friend of mine and he was like championing me a lot.

02:15:59.100 And in the article, basically Taylor made it seem like I'd name drop him and I don't

02:16:02.180 even know him.

02:16:03.460 But anyway, you know, I, I was kind of like not allowed to do what I love to do, which

02:16:08.200 was, you know, work with brands, help them match with influencers and then help influencers

02:16:12.640 monetize.

02:16:13.440 Cause you know, that's what I love to do.

02:16:15.760 So I was out of the game.

02:16:16.680 I had, I moved to Vegas and then I got a job at, at a, it's called a casino hotel.

02:16:23.280 One of the best ones.

02:16:24.560 And I mean, I was getting paid very little.

02:16:26.640 Um, but you know, the thing that I, I really hated about working in like that corporate

02:16:31.600 environment is just the politics.

02:16:32.960 It's like, you're not allowed to talk to this person.

02:16:35.100 Like if I wanted to do something, the, you know, a friend of mine would be like, oh, well,

02:16:38.540 you can't talk to her about it.

02:16:40.360 You have to do it like this.

02:16:41.480 And then when I went on Tucker Carlson, I got, uh, I had to go into the office to talk

02:16:45.820 to like a big marketing guy.

02:16:47.460 And he was like, don't mention our company.

02:16:49.480 Like when you're on Fox news and I'm, you know, I just like, I don't like this.

02:16:53.400 I mean, I did it and I got humbled.

02:16:55.080 It humbled me a bit, but, um, but I love to do this now and I'm making a lot less.

02:17:00.000 We're going to, we're going to, we're going to wrap things up.

02:17:01.200 I want to give a shout out to Nate, the lawyer who super chatted saying, uh, OMG, both Sean

02:17:04.880 and Ari, literally my two favorite people.

02:17:06.740 Tim is all right too.

02:17:07.660 LOL.

02:17:08.680 Suing people with no money is known as judgment proof.

02:17:11.440 That's, that's what the term housing for Stormy Daniels, for example, owes Trump 600 K.

02:17:15.180 Right.

02:17:16.080 So when you have like, let's say a former employee, uh, steal something, disparages you, you go

02:17:22.840 to your lawyer and you say, okay, what can we do?

02:17:25.360 And they go, wow, do you have a non-disparagement?

02:17:27.020 Yes, I do.

02:17:27.580 And I go, great.

02:17:28.240 Do you have an, do you have a non-disclosure?

02:17:29.460 I absolutely do.

02:17:30.640 Okay.

02:17:30.940 And it looks like that was criminal as well.

02:17:32.160 Yep.

02:17:32.980 What's the net worth?

02:17:34.080 I don't know.

02:17:35.860 Negative.

02:17:36.440 And they're like, so what are you going to win?

02:17:37.820 And I'm like, I don't know.

02:17:38.880 Can we stop them from doing it?

02:17:40.060 No.

02:17:40.580 And they go, okay.

02:17:41.800 I just can't do anything about it.

02:17:43.200 They could declare bankruptcy too.

02:17:44.980 So even if like, you know, you were like, oh, well, if I have the judgment against them, eventually,

02:17:49.120 like when they make money, like, you know, if you sue like monolithic ethos, who was going

02:17:53.380 after you yesterday, right?

02:17:55.100 Like, you know, he doesn't have any money now, but like, you know, eventually in the future,

02:17:58.900 but he'll like, but he'll declare bankruptcy.

02:18:01.200 He'll avoid it.

02:18:02.140 All accountability.

02:18:03.140 Like the journalism machine that he is, you know?

02:18:05.840 Well, well, well, uh, this was, this has been a very fun conversation.

02:18:08.380 You guys, thanks for hanging out.

02:18:09.520 Do you want to, do you want to shout anything out before we wrap up?

02:18:12.160 Nothing.

02:18:12.580 Just, you know, support me by, uh, watching my show.

02:18:16.020 You can, uh, find everything.

02:18:17.580 I'm little miss Jacob on pretty much all social media and I, uh, little miss jacob.com.

02:18:22.820 Yeah.

02:18:23.300 Um, you can find all of my social media at just actual justice warrior.com.

02:18:27.420 Uh, you know, Twitter, everything's there.

02:18:29.260 Just that's it.

02:18:30.120 All right.

02:18:30.640 I said it in the beginning.

02:18:31.640 All right, everybody.

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The Culture War #58 The Steven Crowder Divorce Saga & Media Manipulation w⧸Sean Actual Justice Warrior & Ari Jacob

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