The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #6 - Five Times August, Tim Pool Are SUING Woke Bandcamp Over Censorship

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00:00:58.140 What's going on, everybody? We're hanging out with Five Times August.

00:01:01.340 What's up?

00:01:02.280 Who are you? What do you do?

00:01:03.540 Brad Schistamist, singer-songwriter of Five Times August.

00:01:06.600 You want to sue Bandcamp?

00:01:07.960 You know, that sounds like a pretty good idea.

00:01:11.260 You know, I thought I was alone, and then I saw your post about being removed,

00:01:15.880 and I was like, oh my gosh, like, what's going on here?

00:01:18.580 Because I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first, like you did.

00:01:21.180 And I was thinking to myself, you know, surely this is a misunderstanding.

00:01:25.900 I've been on the platform for like 10 years.

00:01:28.220 My whole catalog was up.

00:01:30.380 But it wasn't all political, was it?

00:01:32.660 No. I mean, I have one album that is, you could consider political.

00:01:36.760 But, you know, if you actually go look at the lyrics, it's not controversial music.

00:01:42.280 It's just anti-mainstream narrative.

00:01:44.740 So it's not like, you know, you can go and say, well, you can't say that,

00:01:48.540 although that's what they're doing now.

00:01:50.300 And it's funny because I saw your post, and it sounds like we went through the same thing.

00:01:55.560 You just...

00:01:56.240 One day, it was gone.

00:01:57.540 You logged on, like, you were on the site one day,

00:01:59.820 and then you logged in the next morning, and then you're gone.

00:02:03.120 Yeah.

00:02:03.520 And let's get, let me give some context real quick for those that don't know.

00:02:06.660 I mean, we've talked about this last week, and we've talked about it on IRL,

00:02:09.440 Timcast IRL.

00:02:09.980 So the Bandcamp is a website where you host your music and sell it.

00:02:15.880 People can become members and then buy your music, have it in their libraries, listen to it.

00:02:20.660 And so it's like, you know, Amazon and iTunes do this.

00:02:24.920 You can buy it, you can post your music and then sell it there.

00:02:27.160 But Bandcamp was, like, independent.

00:02:29.500 It's been around for a while.

00:02:30.240 It's, like, one of the oldest, right?

00:02:32.000 Yeah, it's been around for a while.

00:02:33.340 And I like being on the platform because some people don't like to use, like,

00:02:36.580 the more mainstream avenues.

00:02:37.940 They're like, I don't want to go on Amazon.

00:02:39.400 I don't want to go on Apple.

00:02:40.600 I don't listen to Spotify.

00:02:42.200 And they want a more direct back and forth between artist and fan.

00:02:47.740 So that was sort of the place to go.

00:02:50.260 And it was easy to use.

00:02:51.500 You could just put your music up and have it listed for whatever you wanted.

00:02:55.160 And then one day, my account was gone.

00:02:58.440 Yeah, me too.

00:02:59.580 Yeah, we've been up for, like, I think four years, three and a half years.

00:03:04.160 We had the song Will of the People put up.

00:03:07.140 They had no issues with it.

00:03:08.620 And none of our songs are, like, our songs, one of them is just a love song.

00:03:14.320 The latest one that just came out is about not killing yourself.

00:03:16.880 It's just not political.

00:03:17.980 And then we had one overtly political song, but there's no direct references in it.

00:03:23.860 It's just literally, like, war is bad and the media is lying to you.

00:03:26.640 And then they got us.

00:03:28.460 Yeah, and that's the interesting thing because what we have now, and I have this conversation

00:03:33.120 quite a bit, is, you know, we've seen censorship and information and with what doctors and scientists

00:03:39.460 are saying that there's a lot of arguments about what's true and what's not and what data

00:03:43.560 is real.

00:03:44.420 But now we have censorship taking place in art.

00:03:48.340 And it's not just the art itself.

00:03:50.220 It's the artist and what they're saying outside of their art that is affecting where they're at.

00:03:56.080 It feels like history just rhymes, you know what I mean?

00:03:59.800 Because it wasn't, it was, so I got removed from the website in February, about a month later.

00:04:07.560 I'm pretty sure it was the same for us.

00:04:09.020 Yeah.

00:04:09.280 We just, like, we weren't, we were in active production on a song.

00:04:14.500 We weren't logging into our band camp to check on it, you know what I mean?

00:04:16.960 So, I mean, I was checking it regularly.

00:04:19.120 I was on the website the night before.

00:04:21.360 And then, boom, I'm gone.

00:04:23.280 I'm like, this is weird.

00:04:24.540 I don't exist at all.

00:04:25.700 I had to re-register, like, my account.

00:04:28.400 Are you up now?

00:04:29.840 I re-registered my name to have it, but I'm not selling my music because what they've done

00:04:35.240 is not allowed access to the music for people that have bought it.

00:04:39.520 So, you know, you have fans.

00:04:41.860 It's really a messed up situation.

00:04:43.540 I know that you've gone through it, too, where somebody has bought your music from band camp.

00:04:49.200 Can't get it.

00:04:49.640 They can't go back in and get it now.

00:04:51.840 And here's the really messed up part.

00:04:54.460 is that they get a message that says, you know, such and such album by 5xAugust or Timcast is not available.

00:05:01.360 Please contact Timcast or please contact 5xAugust about it.

00:05:07.340 So they made the decision to remove our music.

00:05:11.040 They made the decision to remove access of the music from the person that purchased it.

00:05:16.000 And then they turn it around and direct the fan back to the artist.

00:05:21.240 And that's really messed up.

00:05:22.320 It's damn near impossible to verify all this stuff.

00:05:25.400 So we don't have access to the financials.

00:05:27.580 Our assumption right now is they're holding our money.

00:05:30.080 Because we didn't get any payouts or anything like that.

00:05:33.160 We didn't get any notifications.

00:05:35.120 So I'd imagine there'd have to be like a closing statement being like,

00:05:38.780 here was the account balance.

00:05:40.380 Here's what we're doing.

00:05:41.340 Instead, it's just one day our account was gone.

00:05:43.220 So we're definitely suing.

00:05:44.800 So I don't know.

00:05:45.300 You probably have to, you know, we'll probably have to sign your name onto it.

00:05:48.420 Maybe we'll hit up Bryson Gray.

00:05:50.120 100%.

00:05:50.520 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:05:51.480 It's not just you and me.

00:05:52.880 It's Bryson Gray.

00:05:54.080 There's a guy named Foundering who does like piano parodies.

00:05:57.400 And he got removed from the platform a year ago.

00:06:00.160 And then I started looking into it.

00:06:02.020 Were these political guys?

00:06:03.020 Yeah.

00:06:03.340 I mean, there's a reoccurring theme here that's a little anti-mainstream narrative.

00:06:08.260 But I started looking into it.

00:06:09.580 It's the same thing.

00:06:10.420 So have you reached out to Bandcamp?

00:06:12.720 Oh, yeah.

00:06:13.240 And have they responded?

00:06:14.640 No, I haven't.

00:06:15.200 No, right?

00:06:15.960 That's the reoccurring theme.

00:06:16.540 So we have no choice but to sue them.

00:06:18.020 This is the thing.

00:06:18.760 Yeah.

00:06:19.300 If they sent us like a breakdown of notification, if they said, under our rules, this is why you've been removed.

00:06:25.640 And it could be like, we literally decided we don't like you and you're off the platform.

00:06:28.980 Yeah.

00:06:29.180 If they said, we're providing you with all data and all sales and content information for all these individuals so that you can follow up with them outside of.

00:06:36.360 Like, if they sent us a letter saying, like, we are severing our working relationship with you, this may come as a surprise and be unfortunate, but unfortunately, this is the path we're taking.

00:06:46.520 Here is a database of all the information on the customers who bought from you so that you can, you know, compensate, refund, or provide.

00:06:53.200 They didn't do any of that.

00:06:54.560 Right.

00:06:54.680 And so we're just like, hey, where's our money?

00:06:57.060 Yeah.

00:06:57.340 Did we have money?

00:06:57.980 Because people were actively buying our music.

00:06:59.680 Where's the money?

00:07:00.840 I don't even know.

00:07:02.180 Yeah.

00:07:02.260 So like, and then they wouldn't answer emails.

00:07:04.220 So the only way for us to actually find out what our account standing was in terms of cash and the data from our own customers is to literally file a lawsuit and force them into court to give up this information.

00:07:17.640 Yeah.

00:07:18.080 Because like, I would, I would, I would be, we might assume regardless, right?

00:07:22.160 Because who knows?

00:07:23.280 But we can't even get basic information out of them.

00:07:25.560 So I, you know.

00:07:26.780 Yeah, that was one of the perks of being on the website was you got, you had your, your fans information.

00:07:33.500 You had their, their email for email list and stuff.

00:07:36.360 So anybody that was following me, you know, it's like a Twitter account.

00:07:40.060 When you have followers, all of a sudden it's gone and you don't know how to get in touch with those people or anything.

00:07:45.800 So they remove that access.

00:07:47.440 It's worse than Twitter.

00:07:48.460 With Twitter, it's like somebody followed you.

00:07:51.080 Yeah.

00:07:51.200 With Bandcamp, someone transferred money.

00:07:53.320 Right.

00:07:53.360 There's a transaction there.

00:07:54.600 Bandcamp took a cut of that money and now removed that song from the person's access.

00:07:59.440 Yeah.

00:07:59.660 I can't refund what Bandcamp took.

00:08:01.480 What, what, what, what cut do they take from the sales?

00:08:03.520 Do you know?

00:08:04.340 I think it's 10 to 15% basically.

00:08:08.540 Yeah.

00:08:08.760 So that means if an individual wants a refund, I don't have that 10 to 15%.

00:08:13.100 Right.

00:08:13.640 Bandcamp stole their money.

00:08:15.240 Yeah.

00:08:15.820 And they're, and they're denying access.

00:08:17.260 So.

00:08:17.740 Yeah.

00:08:18.020 I, I think they're going to, I think they, I think they fucked up on this one.

00:08:21.580 Well, that's the thing, you know, like if you, I, I can be obnoxious.

00:08:27.280 And so if, if you cross me in that way, like, here's the deal.

00:08:30.780 I like Bandcamp as a platform.

00:08:32.740 I like what they have to offer.

00:08:34.160 I like what they, I've been on the platform for 10 years.

00:08:37.900 Um, but when you log in one day and everything's gone and then you reach out to them and they

00:08:44.060 don't, they don't respond to the people that are making their platform work, the artists

00:08:48.220 and the fans.

00:08:49.160 It's a bigger deal for me, for the fans.

00:08:51.080 If you don't like my music and you don't like my message, fine.

00:08:55.340 But what you've done now is you've interfered with the artist fan relationship and my fans

00:09:00.940 can't access something that they paid for.

00:09:04.220 Your fans are saying outright, they can't listen to your music anymore.

00:09:07.080 Right.

00:09:07.600 So I have some, I have some that say they can.

00:09:09.740 Yeah.

00:09:10.060 I have some that say they can't and they've sent me screenshots.

00:09:12.400 Well, now we've got a bigger problem.

00:09:13.360 That's copyright infringement.

00:09:14.700 Yeah.

00:09:14.940 Bandcamp can't host your copyrighted material without your approval.

00:09:19.660 So if they sever your agreement, but they're continuing to host your copyrighted content

00:09:23.880 and they made money off of it, well, not as a problem.

00:09:26.740 Yeah.

00:09:26.920 It's a, it's a double-edged sword either way you look at it because, you know, on one

00:09:31.100 hand they've sold something and then they, they took it back.

00:09:34.620 And on the other hand, it's still there on their platform and I don't want it there anymore

00:09:39.060 and there's nothing I can do about it.

00:09:40.300 Well, so I've heard from some people that there are a lot of people who bought the song and

00:09:44.700 then just played it on the page and they never like put it in their library or anything

00:09:48.380 and they can't get it anymore.

00:09:49.240 It's gone.

00:09:49.780 Yeah.

00:09:50.120 There are some people who have told me that in their library, like they'll try to play

00:09:54.020 it.

00:09:54.120 I don't know how it works in the library, but they'll try to play it and it won't play.

00:09:57.080 And other people have told me that it does still play for them in their library.

00:10:00.620 I'm wondering if the difference is like mobile app, mobile site versus like desktop,

00:10:04.580 what's causing the different experiences.

00:10:06.680 Yeah.

00:10:06.860 I think for some people they bought the song and then didn't add it to their library.

00:10:10.280 They just thought like I bought the song so I can listen to it on this, on this

00:10:12.540 page now that my page doesn't exist, they can't get access to it.

00:10:15.400 Right.

00:10:15.680 But either way, Bandcamp took a cut of that money.

00:10:17.920 Yeah.

00:10:18.260 So if Bandcamp wants to remove me and remove access, they got to give their money back.

00:10:22.560 Yeah.

00:10:22.860 And I don't even know who to give the money back to.

00:10:25.240 So it's like, here's what I'm thinking of doing.

00:10:28.460 It's like, I will gladly refund these people who got screwed over by Bandcamp.

00:10:31.420 It's in the thousands, maybe even 10,000 people.

00:10:33.480 But Bandcamp's going to be on the hook for that portion of the revenue.

00:10:36.420 It's not that much, it wasn't going to be like, you know, $700 or something or maybe

00:10:41.420 $1,000.

00:10:42.520 Yeah.

00:10:42.820 But they won't communicate with us.

00:10:44.520 Right.

00:10:44.920 They're outright basically telling us the only way we can get resolution on this is to go

00:10:50.000 to court and have a judge force them to do it.

00:10:52.280 Yeah.

00:10:52.720 Yeah.

00:10:53.120 That's the thing is I've reached out to them in so many different ways.

00:10:56.220 And I was, when I saw your post and we had a little bit of press on what was happening,

00:11:01.420 I was going after them every day on their Twitter saying, Hey guys, what's going on?

00:11:06.520 You're not responding to the people that make your website.

00:11:09.160 And they ended up blocking me, which was an admission of, okay, you're seeing what I'm

00:11:13.460 saying.

00:11:14.280 You're seeing what I'm asking you.

00:11:16.360 You're seeing what other, what, you know, people are posting.

00:11:20.140 So, but then they blocked me and about a day or two later, they unblocked me.

00:11:24.940 And I'm like, this is just weird.

00:11:26.300 Oh man.

00:11:26.380 So you're seeing what I'm saying, but you're refusing to acknowledge it.

00:11:30.040 Well, I wonder if unblocking you was like a legal thing.

00:11:33.240 I don't know, but it's sure.

00:11:35.440 It seems like an admission of guilt.

00:11:37.000 And I almost want to do this.

00:11:38.880 Like, I want to be like, they seem like very delicate people over there at band camp.

00:11:43.480 So I want to say, maybe, maybe I look into one of the cameras and I say, Hey guys, listen,

00:11:48.460 you're not responding to these requests from artists and fans.

00:11:54.140 And, uh, I'm thinking maybe we show up to band camp headquarters at some time and ask

00:12:01.060 you face to face and maybe not even let them know when we're going to show up.

00:12:05.840 So they have to be on edge about it.

00:12:07.820 They're in Raleigh.

00:12:09.340 Where are they at?

00:12:10.500 I think, I'm pretty sure they're in Raleigh.

00:12:11.800 I thought they were in California.

00:12:13.840 They probably have people working all over the place anyway.

00:12:16.120 No, I'm pretty sure the band camp's headquarters is North Carolina.

00:12:18.320 Okay.

00:12:19.280 Well, we could find that out and we can show up and ask them face to face.

00:12:22.740 I was down in Austin a few weeks ago and, uh, South by Southwest was going on and I wasn't

00:12:28.440 there for South by Southwest, but I did peek into the conference center and I was like looking

00:12:32.580 for the band camp booth because I was thinking if they have a booth, maybe I can ask them face

00:12:37.280 to face, but that's the thing.

00:12:38.900 Uh, they've made this decision, these decisions that are affecting, um, you know, your music and

00:12:46.940 the people that are purchasing, they, that, that are affecting my music and the people

00:12:50.760 that are listening to it, Bryson Gray's, these other artists.

00:12:54.060 Um, and then they run away from it and, and that's not transparency.

00:12:58.160 You know, band camp just unionized.

00:12:59.960 They're starting to unionize.

00:13:01.040 They, they created a band camp United, I think.

00:13:04.680 And they blocked me before I even knew about the page.

00:13:07.060 Somebody told me about it.

00:13:08.040 I went over and I was like, oh, they already blocked me from communicating with them.

00:13:11.440 And their whole thing is transparency and a better band camp for all artists.

00:13:16.940 But they will also block you if they don't like you.

00:13:19.680 It's interesting because they're owned by Epic, but it's owned by Epic Games.

00:13:22.320 Yeah.

00:13:22.540 Yeah.

00:13:22.740 It says on their hiring, they have New York, California, and Washington.

00:13:25.640 So that's probably state.

00:13:26.800 So interesting.

00:13:27.460 Yeah.

00:13:27.960 We, we, we looked into their corporate HQ and it's, it's Raleigh, but I wonder if this

00:13:32.080 is now they're losing.

00:13:33.400 I know there's a, there's a band camp headquarters in Oakland, California, because I've seen a picture

00:13:39.480 of it and I think it's still there.

00:13:41.480 Um, that was the latest information that I can find.

00:13:44.040 So I guess the bigger picture here, instead of us just like ranting about our music, poor

00:13:47.900 us is it's the culture war.

00:13:50.980 It's these, these corporations 10 years ago, weren't like this and they've been taken over

00:13:55.800 by these cult members who are substantially more effective at gaining cultural and institutional

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00:15:30.020 Then the right or liberals are like, I mean, like true liberals, like classical liberals

00:15:35.040 and traditional liberals.

00:15:36.000 And so the leftist psychopaths are taking over and then just purging.

00:15:39.980 It's a culture evolution.

00:15:41.480 Yeah.

00:15:41.920 Yeah.

00:15:42.380 You know, the most amazing thing about it, too, is how many people just get on board with

00:15:46.120 it.

00:15:46.300 So I went to the Bandcamp Facebook page and I posted a recent interview I did about all

00:15:51.200 this.

00:15:52.080 And, you know, I post it basically as just a heads up to other artists.

00:15:57.360 Hey, if they do it to me, they can do it to you, too.

00:16:00.260 They will do it to you.

00:16:01.140 And the funny thing is, is a bunch of those Bandcamp artists, progressive artists, rebelling,

00:16:10.400 we're on Bandcamp's side.

00:16:12.360 They didn't want to see my side of it.

00:16:14.560 I'm like, hey, look, I don't care if you like my music or not or what my message is.

00:16:18.260 I just need you to know that they will remove you if they don't like you.

00:16:21.920 Dude, Patreon banned Lauren Southern and Carl Benjamin.

00:16:26.740 They banned Lauren Southern.

00:16:28.140 And there was this huge hubbub like, dude, you took away someone's income like outright

00:16:32.100 without a warning.

00:16:33.260 And then Patreon was like, OK, we'll never do that again.

00:16:36.000 And then they literally did it again, causing this like mass exodus.

00:16:40.160 Sam Harris at the time was like, I am getting off of this, Jordan Peterson.

00:16:43.980 You know, there are still tons of people using Patreon who are like on the right or anti-woke

00:16:50.200 or whatever.

00:16:50.560 And I'm just like, why?

00:16:53.300 We have people on the show.

00:16:54.300 I think, you know, we're talking about Gprime85.

00:16:56.600 Doesn't he have a Patreon?

00:16:58.840 Maybe so.

00:16:59.680 And that's the thing, too.

00:17:00.600 The avenues are getting...

00:17:01.460 Maybe not.

00:17:01.840 Maybe I'm...

00:17:02.780 You know, to me, that's another solution, though, too, is to create a new Bandcamp.

00:17:07.000 I mean, you know, it's a pretty simple service.

00:17:09.460 No, he was banned from Patreon in December.

00:17:11.660 Was he really?

00:17:12.480 Oh, gosh.

00:17:13.760 Well, so that's probably the last time he was on the show.

00:17:16.200 Mm-hmm.

00:17:18.060 You see, this is exactly it.

00:17:20.280 So on December 8th, 2022, George Alexopoulos, for those that aren't familiar, he's this

00:17:25.940 amazing artist.

00:17:26.840 He's one of the best.

00:17:27.600 You really got to check out his comics.

00:17:29.080 It's brilliant.

00:17:30.160 He posted on Twitter that he lost his Patreon account on the same day.

00:17:34.120 His is under review, but we know what's going to happen.

00:17:35.420 It was coordinated.

00:17:36.240 My attitude is just like, look, bro, I'm a big fan.

00:17:40.620 You know, we love you, George.

00:17:42.180 But at this point, I'm kind of like, I'm about to start busting out laughing.

00:17:46.260 Like, are you kidding me, dude?

00:17:48.200 It was years ago.

00:17:50.300 It was like, what, four years ago that Patreon banned Lauren Southern.

00:17:53.760 Let me give everybody the context who's not familiar.

00:17:57.580 Lauren Southern had a Patreon account.

00:17:59.000 She was getting, I think, like five grand a month or something.

00:18:01.840 She gets on a boat.

00:18:03.200 She's in the Mediterranean.

00:18:04.140 She's waving a flare in the air at one of these ships that's smuggling humans, trafficking

00:18:07.640 humans across from Libya.

00:18:09.840 So there's like an active slave trade.

00:18:11.420 They're bringing people up into Libya, putting them on boats, shipping them to Europe.

00:18:14.200 And so what happened was the narrative that came out was she tried to obstruct a refugee

00:18:19.500 rescue vessel.

00:18:20.880 It's like, oh, like these, these, these vessels have been accused of very serious criminal activity.

00:18:25.460 They're trafficking people, smuggling from port to port.

00:18:29.160 And, uh, but I digress.

00:18:30.880 She never got in front of them.

00:18:31.980 She was in a little boat doing a little protest.

00:18:34.040 Patreon instantly deletes her account.

00:18:35.980 Her income is gone.

00:18:37.340 Everybody freaks out, not because they agree with Lauren Southern, but because they're like,

00:18:40.980 are you going to erase my income overnight with no warning with no, like, dude, if that's

00:18:45.980 my job, I have, my money's all gone.

00:18:49.300 What am I going to do?

00:18:50.280 Yeah.

00:18:50.520 I can't get that back.

00:18:51.400 There's no, there's no reapplying for the audience you've built up.

00:18:54.420 Yeah.

00:18:54.680 So the CEO comes out and he's like, we understand why you're mad.

00:18:58.900 You're right.

00:18:59.880 We should have given her a warning and a chance to migrate off the platform.

00:19:03.320 We should have said, if you do this again, we'll ban you.

00:19:06.120 It was a very serious thing.

00:19:07.360 And like, I remember him being like, she was trying to block refugees, man.

00:19:11.940 And it's like, no, she wasn't.

00:19:13.400 You're lying, dude.

00:19:14.660 Stop paying attention to the lies of the media.

00:19:16.460 But I digress.

00:19:17.760 Fine.

00:19:18.720 Send her a letter and say, you have 72 hours to inform your fans.

00:19:23.060 You will no longer be using this platform and do something else.

00:19:25.640 Well, Lauren made her own website and then she ended up getting people to sign up there.

00:19:29.440 And so then he's like, I'll never do this again.

00:19:31.920 Later that year, I think it was like, or it might've been a year later, Carl Benjamin of

00:19:37.160 the Lotus Eaters podcast, Sargon of Akkad for those that know him on YouTube, someone

00:19:42.020 found a live stream he did a year prior with like 2000 views where he insulted people he

00:19:49.980 was calling alt-right.

00:19:51.000 I don't know what their, I don't really know what their ideology was, but he called them

00:19:54.440 white N-word or something like that.

00:19:56.080 And he was like, the way you describe black people is exactly how you act.

00:20:00.980 And because he did that semantic game, they said, he used a slur, banned.

00:20:06.560 Without warning, without notice, they banned his profile.

00:20:09.080 Shutting down all of his income that led to this mass exodus.

00:20:12.880 You know, that was years ago.

00:20:13.820 That was like 28, like 2018, I think, 2019, maybe.

00:20:16.880 I don't know.

00:20:17.020 I think it was 2018.

00:20:18.360 And so this, you still have people on the right, libertarians, disaffected liberals

00:20:23.860 using Patreon.

00:20:26.100 Yeah.

00:20:26.780 So, so let me get this straight, George.

00:20:28.680 George Alexopoulos was using Patreon up to three months ago.

00:20:35.560 And we deserve to lose.

00:20:37.180 We deserve to lose.

00:20:38.460 Okay.

00:20:38.960 Well, we have to build alternatives to this.

00:20:41.200 But there's a ton of alternatives.

00:20:42.960 There's locals.

00:20:44.460 Well, I guess there's locals.

00:20:45.840 Yeah.

00:20:46.180 Local.

00:20:46.720 And, and locals was bought by Rumble.

00:20:49.700 I mean, you easily just use that.

00:20:51.400 There has been Subscribestar for a long time.

00:20:53.620 I don't know.

00:20:53.960 People don't really use Subscribestar anymore, but it does exist.

00:20:56.880 And you can always make your own website.

00:20:59.400 It is very, very easy to set up a Stripe account and use a WordPress plugin.

00:21:04.040 Maybe to the average person, it's more challenging, but you simply find a dev.

00:21:09.480 Like you could easily tweet out, like anybody know how to do, you know, like WordPress dev?

00:21:13.720 And so what we did, we found a guy for a couple grand.

00:21:16.760 He built our first website with, with a plugins thing for members.

00:21:20.900 And then we instantly had all our members on our own website.

00:21:24.520 This is the thing, like, I, I didn't have Patreon for a long time and I probably lost

00:21:29.140 that on a ton of money because we didn't do anything until we launched our own website.

00:21:32.920 But ultimately my point with all of this is like, if, if people know these woke corporations

00:21:39.080 are doing this and they keep using these services, sorry, bro, I have no sympathy when you get

00:21:43.960 banned.

00:21:44.300 In fact, it makes me laugh.

00:21:45.480 Yeah.

00:21:46.100 Like we, cause we deserve to lose if that's the case.

00:21:48.380 Yeah.

00:21:48.880 It, uh, Owen Benjamin went that route too.

00:21:51.120 You know, he was canceled through a lot of, uh, different avenues and made his own platform

00:21:55.260 and he's thriving.

00:21:56.580 And I think that that's the thing too, with all of this.

00:21:59.000 He's got, he's, he's a kind of a goofy guy though.

00:22:00.400 I mean, he's, he's been accused of saying a bunch of weird stuff, you know, like he called

00:22:05.460 me goofy looking.

00:22:06.160 It was funny.

00:22:06.720 Oh, did he?

00:22:07.280 Well, the point is insulting me for being mixed race, but I thought it was funny.

00:22:09.900 I don't care.

00:22:10.140 Okay.

00:22:11.040 Well, the point is he moved into his own platform.

00:22:14.360 He created his own community on his own platform where he's in control.

00:22:18.280 And that, and I think that that's, that's the idea here.

00:22:21.080 Um, cause you know, I'm not surprised, you know, every, cause there are these different

00:22:24.640 avenues, right?

00:22:25.140 I'm on YouTube still.

00:22:26.300 Right.

00:22:27.040 And every time I put up a video, my latest video is, is age restricted and, uh, demonetized.

00:22:33.880 Okay.

00:22:34.240 It's a video about Bill Gates and it's a cartoon essentially.

00:22:37.520 Okay.

00:22:37.960 Okay.

00:22:38.760 Um, he got mad.

00:22:39.820 Yeah.

00:22:40.140 And so, you know, it reached a hundred thousand views, uh, in, in, in a short amount of time,

00:22:45.980 uh, YouTube takes notice.

00:22:48.140 Uh, let's see how we can make this less seen.

00:22:50.980 Let's demonetize it and age restrict it.

00:22:53.800 So every comment I get now is I have to, you know, you have to watch, uh, click through

00:22:57.840 two warnings or something like that.

00:22:59.440 Uh, but I'm not surprised by that.

00:23:02.460 That's the thing.

00:23:03.580 Uh, my, my income is not based off of, uh, YouTube's, um, monetization, but there are

00:23:11.200 people that put themselves in that situation where, um, you know, it continues to go through,

00:23:16.260 uh, you know, these platforms where you can't be surprised when they flag you.

00:23:20.480 I'm sure you're not surprised when YouTube flags you at this point.

00:23:23.980 Right.

00:23:24.760 It's like demonetization.

00:23:26.020 Yeah.

00:23:26.640 Demonetization.

00:23:27.080 We actually don't.

00:23:28.020 Whatever it is.

00:23:28.540 We, we rarely get demonetized these days.

00:23:30.460 Mm-hmm.

00:23:31.480 Yeah.

00:23:31.760 Are you, are you getting better at, at watching what you say?

00:23:34.620 Are you playing within their rules?

00:23:36.560 We, we, we play within the rules, but the rules don't matter.

00:23:40.500 Like they will give someone, there are tons of people like Crowder.

00:23:45.260 He was citing the CDC and they gave him a strike for it.

00:23:48.160 Mm-hmm.

00:23:49.000 Yeah.

00:23:49.360 And that's the thing, you know, when you circle back around, like conversation is one

00:23:54.340 thing and, and, and how you want to interpret the conversation, but it's infecting art now.

00:23:59.380 Right.

00:23:59.780 If I put up a music video and you put up a music video, what they're doing now is interpreting

00:24:05.160 art for the world to, to actually see.

00:24:07.660 I make a video, Gates Behind the Bars, it's a cartoon, or even my video, Sad Little Man's

00:24:12.940 flagged for medical misinformation.

00:24:15.060 It, it's within their rules.

00:24:16.480 That was about Fauci though, right?

00:24:17.480 That was about Fauci, right?

00:24:19.240 Uh, the, the point is they attacked it because it's about Fauci and not, not because of medical

00:24:24.600 misinformation.

00:24:25.980 They've interpreted the art for the person that, you know, they don't want to see it.

00:24:30.360 Yeah.

00:24:30.520 But so look at the Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass.

00:24:33.860 It's the, the story as it goes is that those were, you know, allegories and metaphors for

00:24:38.520 the existing political and religious structure, but it had to be done in a strange metaphorical

00:24:43.280 way to convey the ideas.

00:24:44.280 Otherwise you get killed, you know, people get mad at you.

00:24:47.700 That's, it's, it's just that way.

00:24:49.540 It's, I think, I think the issue is there are, I think humans tend to be zombified.

00:24:56.320 A lot of, there's a lot of people who are zombies and a lot of people who aren't and

00:25:00.720 the people who aren't zombies are constantly trying to find ways to navigate through the

00:25:03.680 zombie hordes.

00:25:04.620 So with like, you know, who is it?

00:25:06.760 Was it Lewis Carroll?

00:25:07.680 I don't know whoever wrote Alice in Wonderland.

00:25:09.640 He's trying to convey these ideas that are, um, that, you know, go against the established

00:25:14.960 order.

00:25:15.740 So he writes this book.

00:25:16.800 I may be wrong about that.

00:25:17.940 That's just what I heard that Alice in Wonderland was written as metaphor so that he wouldn't

00:25:21.240 be, you know, persecuted or whatever, but because you have zombie hordes and I

00:25:24.480 think they've, there've been zombie hordes throughout history.

00:25:26.420 And one of the things that's changed is that the people who are critical thinkers now have

00:25:30.800 access to the internet and can directly form community communities and share ideas with

00:25:35.460 each other, bypassing the mob that wants to burn everything down, you know?

00:25:40.120 Yeah.

00:25:40.720 And there's a reoccurring, uh, situation there.

00:25:43.580 You know, when we talk about band camp, not responding to us, um, that coincides with,

00:25:49.460 um, your communication with YouTube.

00:25:52.260 They, they won't, you know, you're talking to Bob.

00:25:54.480 When you talk to their support team, uh, or people in India.

00:25:58.420 Yeah.

00:25:58.960 And then you've got, uh, I was the five times August page was removed from Wikipedia.

00:26:03.640 Uh, really?

00:26:04.880 Yeah.

00:26:05.180 So shortly after sad little man came out, it was up there for like years.

00:26:09.080 Wow.

00:26:09.400 You pissed off Fauci bad.

00:26:10.900 Yeah.

00:26:11.240 I guess he got mad.

00:26:12.400 Um, but you're sitting there arguing with moderators about what's true and what's real

00:26:16.340 about yourself.

00:26:17.560 And what they'd rather do is just remove you all together and not acknowledge it.

00:26:22.080 You know, that's the reoccurring theme that I've found.

00:26:24.760 When I search five times August Wikipedia, Chris Hawks is what comes up.

00:26:28.700 Yeah.

00:26:28.920 You know, it's funny that, so that guy played guitar on, um, an album 15 years ago for five

00:26:34.160 times August.

00:26:34.680 So his page still gets to stay up, but the actual artist page is, is now removed.

00:26:41.580 I mean, I had some back and forth with Wikipedia.

00:26:43.960 So you've worked with this guy.

00:26:45.440 Yeah.

00:26:45.840 Many, many moons ago, 2005.

00:26:48.100 Um, but why does it?

00:26:49.680 So, so, and he's got, he's got a career of his own, I think.

00:26:53.240 But like, um, does it reference five times August in, in, in his Wikipedia?

00:26:58.060 I believe it does.

00:26:59.080 Yeah.

00:26:59.460 So that's the only place you would find a reference to five times August.

00:27:03.060 I used to have a whole page with a discography and everything.

00:27:05.820 Um, but I crossed the line, I crossed the line.

00:27:11.000 Uh, no, I don't think, I don't think you're on here, man.

00:27:13.400 I know I'm not on Wikipedia.

00:27:15.140 No, no, no.

00:27:15.400 I'm saying in this guy's article.

00:27:17.080 Oh, okay.

00:27:17.840 No, it might be in like the discography or something of that, like that.

00:27:20.780 Cause somebody was telling me that.

00:27:22.860 Oh, I see.

00:27:23.940 Yeah.

00:27:24.660 Cause he, so, so he played, he played and produced an album in 2005.

00:27:28.860 There it is.

00:27:29.400 Something clever.

00:27:30.160 Fry Street.

00:27:30.940 Yeah.

00:27:31.180 So we worked together a long time ago.

00:27:34.920 You're looking at almost 20 years ago.

00:27:37.100 Um, and, uh, but, but they removed my entire page and, uh, for no reason, you know, it, there

00:27:45.860 was not, there wasn't even any information on there that, that even referenced my current

00:27:50.280 stuff.

00:27:51.340 Um, it was just, they would rather just quietly remove you and then just not acknowledge it.

00:27:56.660 So that, that's what I see happening when, when I come across these things, it's not surprising

00:28:00.920 anymore when I'm on a platform and they, and they remove me or censor me or suppress what

00:28:06.140 I'm trying to say.

00:28:07.280 Um, but it is part of the battle.

00:28:08.920 It is funny that they would, it really shows you how cowardly the people making these decisions

00:28:14.720 are because they will, they will remove you and then run away from the situation.

00:28:20.060 They'll never directly acknowledge it.

00:28:22.280 You know?

00:28:22.380 Yeah.

00:28:22.580 They, they love to play dirty games on Wikipedia.

00:28:24.900 Like, so I would say our, our, you know, my main show is Timcast IRL.

00:28:30.080 It's the big one.

00:28:31.000 And then we started putting this up on youtube.com slash Timcast.

00:28:34.120 Now Wikipedia has removed IRL.

00:28:37.260 So it shows the lower subscriber number from this channel instead of Timcast IRL, which

00:28:40.700 is like the big show.

00:28:41.820 Right.

00:28:42.520 That's really funny.

00:28:43.800 Yeah.

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00:30:15.140 What's going on outside of progressive leftist echo chamber is is skewed.

00:30:22.200 So when you when they see what's going on, it's a skewed perspective.

00:30:25.780 And I'm sure it's the same thing for the right.

00:30:27.200 We see a skewed perspective of both sides because it's just the media and how it works.

00:30:31.740 But we have a lot of debates about stats and numbers and stuff.

00:30:36.760 And there's a prime example right there.

00:30:38.420 Right.

00:30:38.660 It's it's not entirely accurate to portray your numbers as those when really your bigger show

00:30:45.080 is the one that deserves the more accolade.

00:30:48.920 Yeah.

00:30:49.400 It's like if you asked people, like, how do they know me?

00:30:51.720 It's like the nightly show.

00:30:53.240 Right.

00:30:53.640 Especially not this channel.

00:30:55.120 Right.

00:30:55.500 So like even for the past two years, I would do one video per day on this channel that

00:31:00.860 would get like 200 to maybe 400,000 views.

00:31:04.480 Sometimes they get half a million.

00:31:06.060 And then I decided to consolidate everything onto one on the onto the other channel, Tim

00:31:10.640 Cast News, and then do something new on this.

00:31:12.480 So to like use this, it's the significance of it is they always want to find ways to contextualize

00:31:22.140 you in a negative way.

00:31:24.000 So if they can choose to use the lower number available to them to make it seem like I'm

00:31:28.560 not as prominent, they will.

00:31:30.020 Yeah.

00:31:30.180 The reason I think they got rid of us off Bandcamp, we put out four songs.

00:31:36.220 The first three all charted on Billboard.

00:31:39.220 So imagine a new artist emerges, they release three songs, and they all hit Billboard charts.

00:31:45.660 That's like insanely good.

00:31:48.160 Most bands don't get anywhere near there.

00:31:51.060 We just put out a fourth song.

00:31:52.800 I don't know.

00:31:53.340 I don't think this one's going to hit Billboard.

00:31:54.340 I really wanted to see what organic numbers would be like if we just release a song now

00:31:57.400 that we've kind of established and hoping that we would generate enough sales.

00:32:01.460 But I didn't push too hard.

00:32:03.100 We've also launched the coffee company and a bunch of other stuff.

00:32:05.260 But this song, Bright Eyes, we just put out, and I'm like, if we get four for four on Billboard,

00:32:12.180 and we might, we might chart low, that's threatening to these people.

00:32:16.520 Oh, yeah.

00:32:16.960 They're like, all of a sudden, this dude's invading cultural spaces and winning.

00:32:21.200 And what do you think is going to happen when there's some 15-year-old kid who wants to

00:32:25.460 be a musician, and he's looking at these record labels, and he's hearing these horror stories.

00:32:29.780 He's looking at these bands that are struggling to make it.

00:32:31.860 And then he sees us, and we're like, we're totally independent, we're anti-establishment,

00:32:35.640 and all of our songs hit Billboard.

00:32:38.200 If you sign with us, you will succeed.

00:32:41.220 They're going to reject the establishment labels and be like, you tell me what to do

00:32:45.620 because what you're doing is working.

00:32:47.820 That's stripping the power away from their cultural machine.

00:32:50.400 Yeah.

00:32:50.760 I mean, that's kind of the arc of my career.

00:32:53.220 Because when I started Five Times August, that was 2001, and the traditional music industry

00:32:58.300 was still in place.

00:32:59.340 And that was kind of the idea.

00:33:01.280 That was the naive goal, is that you get your record label, and you sign, and you get your

00:33:05.300 single, and all that stuff.

00:33:07.320 By the time I was meeting with record labels, about 2006, 2007, and 2008, the industry was

00:33:14.380 shifting.

00:33:15.120 MySpace was taking hold.

00:33:16.500 You could do a lot of things on your own and make a big impact.

00:33:20.160 I had gotten distribution for my album through Walmart.

00:33:23.440 It was like the first independent artist to have an album nationally distributed in Walmart.

00:33:27.640 And so you could accomplish these things and talk to a label and for the first time ever

00:33:34.480 really be like, well, what can you do for me?

00:33:37.280 I've already put the work in.

00:33:38.980 And that has progressed into an amazing thing where artists like you now are charting on

00:33:46.300 Billboard charts.

00:33:47.040 And it creates a competition with the old way of doing things.

00:33:52.120 And you can't, and that is a threat to them.

00:33:55.320 This album, Silent War, that I put out in November, when it came out, reached number

00:34:00.960 five on Amazon's bestsellers.

00:34:02.860 It's sitting between Taylor Swift and Bruce Springsteen, and the best-selling albums on

00:34:07.760 Amazon.

00:34:08.980 And this is an album.

00:34:10.400 I don't have a PR, a PR, Taylor Swift's PR team behind me.

00:34:14.000 So it really shows you the power of what certain communities can do.

00:34:18.440 And that's a threat.

00:34:19.400 This is an interesting thing that I see developing.

00:34:22.780 We beat Taylor Swift for like two days out of the week when we launched Genocide.

00:34:28.760 We hit number one.

00:34:30.400 We knocked Taylor Swift from the top spot.

00:34:32.840 And when we released Only Ever Wanted, we were number one like basically all week.

00:34:36.920 That resulted in, I think, number three or something.

00:34:41.640 No, what was it?

00:34:42.580 Let me check.

00:34:42.920 Number two.

00:34:43.760 We were number two in sales.

00:34:45.860 And I think we lost to like Sam Smith or something.

00:34:48.660 And so to be for that week the second best seller of a single is crazy to think about.

00:34:58.600 Now, of course, I got a lot of people who watch the show, so that's a natural audience.

00:35:03.180 I had all these leftists being like, you're only selling music because your fans are buying

00:35:07.680 it.

00:35:08.460 And I was like, huh?

00:35:10.300 Like, yes.

00:35:11.200 Like, that's literally what it's tracking.

00:35:13.880 More of my fans buy my music than Taylor Swift buys hers.

00:35:17.380 And then people would respond, yeah, because no one buys music anymore.

00:35:20.940 And I'm like, you're telling me that international pop sensation Taylor Swift, people don't buy

00:35:26.160 her music.

00:35:26.460 Of course they buy her music.

00:35:27.780 And we did better.

00:35:29.220 And they're like, yeah, well, she's not trying to sell her music.

00:35:31.420 You think these people, given the option to sell music, would choose not to do it?

00:35:36.340 Yeah.

00:35:36.480 It's instant cash in your pocket.

00:35:38.260 Of course they want it.

00:35:39.340 You have to stream a song.

00:35:41.180 What is it?

00:35:41.620 1,500 times to get the equivalent of one sale.

00:35:45.400 Yeah.

00:35:46.040 If Taylor Swift could sell, they would do it.

00:35:49.540 The problem is they have lost all of their influence.

00:35:52.980 And the only control they have is the machine, the mechanism that forces you to listen to

00:35:58.260 their music.

00:35:58.940 If Taylor Swift was not placed on the digital streaming platforms because these companies

00:36:03.700 are given preference, then nobody would listen to our music.

00:36:07.220 What happens is, here's a lesson for everybody.

00:36:09.800 We put out a song, smashes the records.

00:36:13.620 We charted amazingly in like rock, alternative, rock and alternative.

00:36:17.660 That's based on people listening to the music.

00:36:19.920 Then we charted in digital sales, which is people buying the song.

00:36:24.140 And we did not get placed on one digital streaming playlist.

00:36:29.160 That's radio.

00:36:30.360 So radio doesn't play our songs.

00:36:32.480 Pandora, Spotify, they won't play our songs.

00:36:34.680 And we still did that well.

00:36:36.820 Taylor Swift, they're like 13 of the top one.

00:36:39.800 We're all Taylor Swift.

00:36:41.680 Yeah.

00:36:41.880 Right.

00:36:42.240 What that means is Pandora, Spotify, and YouTube music decided we are going to play the song

00:36:48.000 by default for anybody who comes to our platform, whether they want it or not.

00:36:52.400 Yeah.

00:36:52.940 So of course she'll get those numbers.

00:36:55.720 Yeah.

00:36:55.900 But when it comes to actually being able to sell music, she couldn't do it.

00:36:58.880 If Taylor Swift, when her Instagram said, buy the song, I'm sure she would get a lot

00:37:02.700 of sales.

00:37:03.140 Mm-hmm.

00:37:04.820 But I think they know there's probably a fear they can't sell enough of it.

00:37:12.500 So they're better off not going that route.

00:37:15.340 Yeah.

00:37:15.780 Like, here's the thing.

00:37:16.780 You can look at album sales, and they do get a lot, 100,000, 200,000.

00:37:21.100 Mm-hmm.

00:37:21.500 And I'm kind of like, man, that's crazy.

00:37:23.280 That's like 10 songs.

00:37:24.460 They're getting like 10,000 to 20,000 sales per song in a week, and we're getting about

00:37:29.140 half of that.

00:37:30.020 Mm-hmm.

00:37:30.280 And we're like, nobody's just emerging out of the blue.

00:37:32.940 Mm-hmm.

00:37:33.560 Their best course of action for maintaining prestige is to just go to iTunes and say, put

00:37:38.740 us at the top spot.

00:37:40.360 Guarantee us that when our song comes out, people have to listen to our music.

00:37:44.280 Mm-hmm.

00:37:44.500 And they go, you got it.

00:37:45.880 Mm-hmm.

00:37:46.140 The other thing, too, is a lot of pay-to-play.

00:37:48.200 There's ways they do it.

00:37:49.480 So pay-to-play is illegal.

00:37:51.160 This is the crazy thing.

00:37:52.040 You cannot pay a radio station to play your song.

00:37:54.220 Mm-hmm.

00:37:54.320 That's actually illegal, pay-to-play.

00:37:55.680 I didn't know that.

00:37:56.560 I'm like, I thought that's what you do.

00:37:58.000 Mm-hmm.

00:37:58.300 What they can do, though, is-

00:37:59.520 There's ways around it, though.

00:38:00.580 There's ways around it.

00:38:01.740 There's like other wink-wink, nudge-nudges that occur.

00:38:04.980 Yeah, I've learned that before.

00:38:05.640 Yep.

00:38:06.280 So these songs will get put in radio rotation.

00:38:08.600 They'll get put on, you'll go to iTunes, and there'll be a big banner being like, listen

00:38:12.600 to this song now.

00:38:13.700 Mm-hmm.

00:38:14.160 Then there'll be like the recommended list, number one, Taylor Swift or whoever.

00:38:17.580 Yeah.

00:38:17.860 And it's all pay-to-play.

00:38:18.940 Yeah.

00:38:19.100 It's just done in clever ways.

00:38:20.320 Yeah.

00:38:20.680 Yeah, I did one radio campaign a long, long time ago and got the bill for the company that

00:38:27.160 was working with me.

00:38:28.240 You know, you basically did pay.

00:38:29.560 It's just listed as like promotion or something generic, you know.

00:38:33.060 Well, they'll do clever things like you can go to a company and be like, hey, how much

00:38:37.600 to represent me?

00:38:39.280 Yeah.

00:38:39.300 Right.

00:38:39.460 And then they'll say $50,000.

00:38:41.100 And you say, you got it.

00:38:42.800 Yeah.

00:38:42.960 And then because they represent you, they can go to the radio stations and say something

00:38:47.080 like, hey, put this song in for us.

00:38:49.960 And then the next time you need something, here's what we'll do for you.

00:38:52.960 So there's no monetary exchange.

00:38:54.240 It's just normal business.

00:38:55.780 But that's the game, man.

00:38:57.320 To your point on people actually buying the music, which number one, it speaks volumes

00:39:03.780 that our communities, our fan bases actually put us in that same field, that same playing

00:39:15.460 field as somebody like Taylor Swift.

00:39:17.060 But as far as buying the music, you'll see, if you go to Walmart and see the physical sales

00:39:23.360 or Target, the physical sales, the CDs that are still on the shelf, what they're doing

00:39:30.140 now to get people to buy it is it's become a collector's market to buy it.

00:39:35.000 So Taylor Swift's new album came out.

00:39:37.160 I noticed there's four different album covers.

00:39:39.640 It's the same album.

00:39:40.920 Wow.

00:39:41.160 But they changed the color of the font on the front.

00:39:43.760 And so there's four different ones for you to collect now.

00:39:46.700 And then there's the magazine version, right?

00:39:48.820 But all these sales add up and that accumulates.

00:39:52.380 You'll see that sort of trick being played in a lot of mainstream artists is like 15 different

00:39:56.700 versions of the new album.

00:39:58.600 I think music might be dead completely for a few reasons.

00:40:01.280 The first is TikTok.

00:40:02.560 So I love Fantagram.

00:40:05.700 They're a great band and a group, whatever you call it.

00:40:08.280 It's two people.

00:40:09.060 And if you go to their Spotify, you can see they've got a few songs, but there's this fast

00:40:13.840 version, the slow version, the remix version, and they have like five of the same song.

00:40:18.320 And they do this because TikTok, it's a trend.

00:40:22.420 TikTok will, people will play the slowed version or the sped up version for dramatic effect or

00:40:28.240 whatever.

00:40:28.600 Yeah.

00:40:29.020 And so then they put it on Spotify.

00:40:30.960 It gets a bunch of views.

00:40:31.840 So this is not music in the same way anymore.

00:40:35.840 It's crazy.

00:40:36.460 You know, I've been listening to Soundgarden a lot and I was saying on the show that the

00:40:40.220 90s was the best era of music.

00:40:42.920 And I'm half kidding because obviously there was really awesome stuff every decade.

00:40:49.320 I mean, you go back to the 50s, there's great music across the board.

00:40:52.160 But what I was saying was like, the 90s was, in my view, the last point at which music was

00:40:59.420 intended to mean something.

00:41:00.600 Now, don't get me wrong.

00:41:01.420 There was good stuff in the 2000s, but like early 2000s.

00:41:04.980 It was petering out early 2000s.

00:41:07.020 Yeah.

00:41:07.140 Music now is trash.

00:41:09.220 Yeah.

00:41:09.460 And it's funny because everybody always says that, but I think Zeppelin is better than

00:41:17.600 anything that the 90s had to offer.

00:41:19.600 I think CCR is better than anything the 90s had to offer.

00:41:23.140 I was not born in the 70s or I was born in the late 80s.

00:41:26.540 So it's like late 60s, Three Dog Nights stuff.

00:41:29.500 I think they were late 60s or whatever.

00:41:30.960 Then you get the 70s with like CCR, Zeppelin.

00:41:35.180 I think Zeppelin went into the 80s too, right?

00:41:36.600 Were they 60s as well?

00:41:37.940 Zeppelin, late 60s, 70s.

00:41:40.160 Yeah.

00:41:40.500 And on into the 80s.

00:41:41.340 So you think about the lyrics and the production of Stairway to Heaven.

00:41:45.040 You think about Kashmir, Immigrant Song, Stairway, how different they are, how expansive they

00:41:52.900 are, the lyrics behind them, what the songs mean.

00:41:55.400 And you're like, as time went on, it got worse and worse and worse.

00:42:00.980 And then into the 90s, the reason I say it was the best is because it was like the last

00:42:04.980 time there was a modicum of art, in my opinion, and substance to the music.

00:42:10.520 So I guess what I'm trying to say is there were better bands than anything that it had

00:42:13.100 to offer going back to the 70s.

00:42:14.940 But if you listen to some of the bands in the 90s, you're like, this is great stuff.

00:42:21.760 Like Soundgarden is incredible.

00:42:23.680 Chris Cornell was absolutely, he's a legend.

00:42:25.820 And then Audioslave in the early 2000s also was truly incredible.

00:42:30.620 Smashing Pumpkins had some really good stuff.

00:42:32.800 Into the 2000s, it started to get really, really vapid.

00:42:35.320 Into the 2010s, it started to degrade.

00:42:37.260 And now it's just like, it's all real meaningless stuff.

00:42:41.440 It's fluff.

00:42:41.860 Yeah.

00:42:42.140 Yeah.

00:42:42.420 I call it hump music because that's basically all it is.

00:42:45.100 Like it's just grinding music for the most part.

00:42:47.760 It's existed, you know, like there were like, but even disco, like pop music, there was still

00:42:54.440 some, some substance to the very little that existed.

00:42:58.240 When I reflect on the 90s music, like there was a lot of bands that I overlooked that I

00:43:03.600 wasn't really that interested in.

00:43:05.040 And I look back on the 90s now and I go, oh, that was the last era of the band, of a band

00:43:11.740 playing together.

00:43:12.720 You had a lot of like one hit wonders of that time that had really great, you know, rock

00:43:18.220 pop songs that still had good melody as a band playing together.

00:43:21.900 And that fizzled out.

00:43:23.340 I mean, I think that the last like decent music of the, I stopped kind of following new music

00:43:28.680 about 2000.

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00:44:58.000 Five, six, and then I started just entering my old man phase where I'm like, I like what

00:45:02.260 I listened to growing up.

00:45:03.500 Um, but I love music across the board of, from going all the way back to old blues from

00:45:10.300 the thirties and stuff.

00:45:11.340 I love the history of how one thing influenced the rest.

00:45:15.020 And, um, but when, and I can listen to the radio with an open mind and look for good things

00:45:20.660 and what's current, you know, obviously.

00:45:22.640 But I, there's a lot of new stuff I like.

00:45:24.220 Post Malone's real good.

00:45:24.900 I like Post Malone.

00:45:25.520 Um, I like some of Billie Eilish's stuff.

00:45:28.080 Uh, The Weeknd is fantastic.

00:45:30.180 He's consistently got great stuff.

00:45:31.600 Yeah.

00:45:31.940 So there, there's new stuff that I like, but I'm, you've heard the song Like a Stone,

00:45:37.980 I'm sure.

00:45:39.040 Mm-hmm.

00:45:39.420 By Audioslave.

00:45:40.360 Mm-hmm.

00:45:40.760 I mean, holy crap, that's an amazing, it's, that, that is a masterpiece.

00:45:44.660 I don't, I do not think a song could be made better than that song.

00:45:47.820 And, you know, I always say, it pains me to say this because Tom Morello's the guitar

00:45:51.500 player and I think he's, he's like a, he's kind of an asshole.

00:45:54.220 Mm-hmm.

00:45:54.560 Or he's just like a hyper-partisan, low-information guy.

00:45:58.220 But the lyrics, the vocal melody, man, it could not be, it could not be better.

00:46:05.660 It is a masterpiece of a song.

00:46:07.160 Mm-hmm.

00:46:07.560 Like, are you from the lyrics or whatever?

00:46:10.240 Not really.

00:46:11.220 A dude singing about reading a book and realizing that, you know, he's lived a bad life, he

00:46:18.400 regrets what he's done, and he wants desperately to be, he says the song is, he said the song

00:46:23.560 was about a guy thinking about the afterlife and what's going to come when he dies.

00:46:27.220 But it really does sound very Christian-like, where he's like, I long to be in your house

00:46:32.120 and I regret the things I've done.

00:46:34.060 I was reading a book that said, if we, if we're good, we can lay to rest anywhere we want

00:46:37.420 to go, and it's basically like him telling a story about being in a room, reading this

00:46:42.840 book, which is presumably the Bible, and I'm like, it's just a perfectly crafted story.

00:46:46.840 And I'm like, I think about music like that, and it's not even about whether you like the

00:46:50.320 style or anything like that, it's about the substance of the song.

00:46:53.680 Right.

00:46:54.100 The lyrics matter.

00:46:55.180 Yeah.

00:46:55.480 There's a story being told, there's an idea being conveyed, the instrumentation is fantastic.

00:46:59.280 And then, you know, even with like Blinding Lights by The Weeknd, which is now several

00:47:03.560 years old, it's just overly simplistic, very, very basic.

00:47:09.520 It's a good song.

00:47:10.120 I like it.

00:47:10.940 And there's always been pop music, but what we're not getting is, that song, like a song,

00:47:16.500 I think it has like half a billion views on YouTube or something like that.

00:47:19.980 Zombie by The Cranberries has two billion, I think two billion views on YouTube.

00:47:24.860 Yeah.

00:47:25.060 What band or group has put out a song like Zombie?

00:47:28.760 So this is early 90s, Zombie is about the conflict in Ireland, and the years of the

00:47:35.820 Irish Republic, IRA, you know, the car bomb, all that stuff, like how crazy it was.

00:47:40.940 And it was like, these people who are fighting, it's not us, we're not in this anymore.

00:47:46.520 And it's an extremely meaningful song.

00:47:48.880 Instrumentation is a little simple, but it's iconic.

00:47:52.140 Yeah.

00:47:52.480 It becomes legendary.

00:47:53.420 Has anyone written a song that has reached popular culture that is in any way conveying

00:48:00.020 meaning?

00:48:00.620 I think the main difference as you're talking about it is if you look at those songs from

00:48:05.320 then, you had one to two songwriters back then.

00:48:11.060 Now mainstream music, pop songs, there's like, you know, 15 different songwriters and you've

00:48:16.960 got too many cooks in the kitchen.

00:48:18.280 I think that's why there's no clear messaging.

00:48:20.500 I mean, I'm pretty sure the Cranberries made Zombie entirely on their own.

00:48:26.480 I mean, that's what I'm saying though.

00:48:27.680 Like you had somebody with an intent behind the song, you know, you had somebody, a single

00:48:33.480 person.

00:48:34.180 It wasn't like they were like, hey, we need to get the latest, you know, coolest songwriter

00:48:40.900 factory involved in this.

00:48:44.040 It sounds like you're saying the opposite.

00:48:45.560 Like these days they have professional songwriters.

00:48:48.680 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:48:49.560 I mean, it's an interesting thing because if you look over the course of music, I mean,

00:48:53.960 like early music, you had songwriters and the musicians or artists that would sing it.

00:49:00.680 Frank Sinatra didn't write his own songs.

00:49:02.880 He was the voice, right?

00:49:04.500 So you had a sort of a factory thing there, but those songs were written by...

00:49:08.880 Elton John.

00:49:09.760 What's that?

00:49:10.300 Elton John.

00:49:10.760 Yeah, and Elton John too.

00:49:11.860 But you had a smaller compartmentalized system in place there.

00:49:19.220 Whereas now, like when you look at certain artists, you'll see like five or six songwriters

00:49:26.280 all trying to get their royalty in.

00:49:29.160 And there's no substance to the actual song in and of itself.

00:49:33.400 Well, so that's the other component of why I think music's dead is algorithmic music writing.

00:49:38.360 It used to be that everyone wrote songs and then the songs ended up being good, people

00:49:42.500 liked, made it at the top.

00:49:43.480 Now it's, we mapped it out.

00:49:45.300 Yeah.

00:49:45.520 We know exactly, you know the song Hook?

00:49:47.820 This is why I love the 90s.

00:49:49.180 Hook by Blues Traveler.

00:49:50.100 It's literally about, the song is, he's explaining to you how he's writing a song just to make

00:49:58.500 you listen, think there's meaning.

00:50:00.320 And it's brilliant.

00:50:02.220 It's Pachelbel's Canon.

00:50:03.720 And the point was, they were like, pop music just uses the same structure, the same chord

00:50:07.900 structure.

00:50:09.180 And what else is, what's that song?

00:50:14.320 Basket Case by Green Day.

00:50:15.560 It's just punk Pachelbel's Canon.

00:50:17.500 Yeah, there's a bunch of those songs.

00:50:18.660 Exactly.

00:50:18.980 And that's what Hook is by Blues Traveler where he's, this is why it's so good.

00:50:23.860 He's insulting you for liking the fact that he wrote a good song, mocking the fact that

00:50:27.720 pop songs are formulaic.

00:50:29.480 But now we've come to this point where they actually can, they actually have these AI song

00:50:35.280 programs that you can load in the top 40s of the past year and it will just make a pop

00:50:41.120 song.

00:50:41.480 The problem is that it can't, there's no English.

00:50:44.680 And so if you've ever listened to these, these demo things, they'll do the black, we loaded

00:50:47.900 up 10 of the, you know, the number one songs and you'll get like a, and it's like, okay,

00:50:55.040 those aren't words.

00:50:55.880 Yeah.

00:50:56.060 But if you have an AI make the song, you can then just record your vocal track over it.

00:51:00.800 Right.

00:51:01.020 And give it lyrics and then song's done.

00:51:03.860 Right.

00:51:04.280 We're going to, I think we're a couple of years out from, you're not, right now you talk

00:51:09.700 to your Amazon or your Google device and you're like, play me Aerosmith, Dream On, great song.

00:51:16.800 And it will play it.

00:51:18.280 What's going to happen in a few years?

00:51:19.600 You're going to say, uh, Amazon, play me a song that's new with a really great hook

00:51:25.640 that is like, um, Panic at the Disco's early albums.

00:51:30.520 Yeah.

00:51:31.080 And then it will just manifest a song.

00:51:33.460 Or you could be, or, or it'll be something like, uh, play me Dream On by Aerosmith, but,

00:51:38.800 uh, I want to hear John Legend singing it with an orchestra behind it.

00:51:42.360 That's actually pretty cool though.

00:51:43.740 So, yeah, I mean, I think music is heading in that direction.

00:51:47.860 It's a dangerous thing.

00:51:48.600 I think that's why, you know, it, it matters more on, I think, lyrics right now and emotion

00:51:55.040 matter more than ever.

00:51:56.400 I think in art in general, um, you know, that's why I, I think that's why like my music has

00:52:02.300 done so well in the last year is the chord structures in, in, in the songs that I've put

00:52:06.980 out over the last year are very basic.

00:52:08.580 I've kept them basic on purpose because I've hearkened back to three chords in the truth.

00:52:12.440 I can write a song with, you know, a bunch of different chords in it and jazz chords,

00:52:17.760 whatever.

00:52:18.180 I can make it fancy.

00:52:19.140 I kept it simple for a reason, but I put all the weight into the lyrics.

00:52:22.900 I mean, that's why people connect with it is because it connects with what's happening

00:52:27.100 in the world and, and AI didn't write it.

00:52:29.280 And it's not just about some fluff that doesn't really matter.

00:52:32.560 Well, it's an interesting thing too, about Bryson Gray charting at number one, you know,

00:52:37.220 he did FJB, right?

00:52:39.160 Was that him?

00:52:39.560 Uh, he, he did, uh, uh, let's go Brandon.

00:52:43.080 Let's go Brandon.

00:52:43.640 That's what it was.

00:52:44.100 Let's go Brandon.

00:52:45.300 Uh, because the meaning of the song matters to people.

00:52:50.080 So it's really fascinating to see Tom McDonald, uh, and John Rich team up for end of the world.

00:52:55.860 You saw that one.

00:52:56.480 Uh, you've got a rapper and a country star teaming up together because the substance

00:53:03.300 of the music matters so much more to people.

00:53:06.780 And I think this creates an, uh, an opportunity for a new, uh, a new indie industry or whatever

00:53:13.860 you want to call it.

00:53:14.800 100%.

00:53:15.200 Yeah.

00:53:15.520 I think it's working.

00:53:16.320 I mean, look, we've had tremendous success, success with our music.

00:53:18.920 We've, we've made money.

00:53:20.360 If I, if I wasn't doing this, I mean, here's the challenge.

00:53:24.800 I don't know if the average person would like my music enough to buy it outside of the fact

00:53:30.520 that they're already fans of mine.

00:53:32.000 I mean, I can, I can try and win a culture war and just say, obviously our music is so

00:53:37.020 good.

00:53:37.240 People really love it and they're going to listen to music anyway.

00:53:39.540 So obviously the people who are listening to the songs on Spotify, like the music, it's

00:53:43.940 free.

00:53:44.240 They're just playing it.

00:53:45.100 So I think that's success.

00:53:46.480 My point, I guess I'm trying to get to is we have made enough money to live off of the

00:53:51.340 music.

00:53:51.640 If I was not doing anything else, not like, well, but we'd be like, oh, wow, you know,

00:53:56.340 we're musicians.

00:53:56.700 We're going to, we're going to play this music and this is our thing.

00:53:58.640 Despite the fact that the songs are only slightly about political happenings.

00:54:05.060 But I think the opportunity that's arising is there are people who are hungry for a message.

00:54:09.980 And so you have an opportunity to create music that could be any style.

00:54:13.740 And you're going to get people who are going to, who are going to be like, I like the song

00:54:16.680 for its, for the, the ideas within it.

00:54:21.080 People who don't even like country will listen to John Rich when he wrote Progress.

00:54:25.620 Cause like we, we, we, we played a part of it on the show and I'm not a country guy,

00:54:30.940 but I love that song because he's saying something that matters to me.

00:54:34.620 Yeah.

00:54:35.020 I think, I think that's an opportunity for people to, to, to break through.

00:54:38.360 And I'm wondering if that's actually going to be more valuable because like I was saying,

00:54:42.020 Taylor Swift, we beat her, you know, for like, it was like two days out of the week.

00:54:45.340 Granted, like respect where it's due.

00:54:46.620 She's huge.

00:54:47.380 We're nowhere near as big as Taylor Swift.

00:54:49.080 But for a couple of days we were on top of the charts in terms of sales, because people

00:54:53.540 think the substance of our message is better.

00:54:55.600 This was the song genocide we put out right before the election, which is basically about media

00:54:59.280 lying and, and, and getting us into wars and stuff like that.

00:55:01.740 So I'm thinking if we do, it's one of the reasons the songs we put out were not overtly

00:55:09.200 political is cause we want to be, we want songs that are just songs and it's not like

00:55:16.680 we're going to try and exploit politics for, for traffic.

00:55:19.140 But there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, you know, there's a point where we do want

00:55:23.780 to try and create something of a political, political substance to, to affect the popular

00:55:29.020 culture.

00:55:29.740 And then we also want to make things that are just generally entertaining, have a mix of

00:55:33.140 the two.

00:55:33.800 Yeah.

00:55:34.020 I think the opportunity right now is putting your, your message into your art the way it

00:55:40.300 used to be.

00:55:41.020 Yeah.

00:55:41.380 Uh, art always, you know, not always, but back in the day, there was some element to

00:55:48.380 it that was like, here's how I see the world and here's what I think.

00:55:51.140 And I feel, we got to this point where it became very generic and was whittled down to

00:55:55.680 just, I love you.

00:55:57.640 I hate you.

00:55:58.460 Oh no, you're breaking up with me.

00:55:59.620 Yeah.

00:55:59.860 And it's not even that anymore, because if you look at progressive culture, a boy and

00:56:03.800 a girl can't fall in love anymore.

00:56:05.380 So you can't even write that song anymore.

00:56:08.100 You know what I mean?

00:56:09.080 Just a small town boy.

00:56:10.120 Yeah.

00:56:10.780 You know, they, they're, they are going back and overanalyzing old songs and telling

00:56:15.220 you why they're bad.

00:56:16.340 We should, we should write an offensive song.

00:56:19.440 Yeah.

00:56:19.840 That's just like old school, fall in love, boy and girl.

00:56:23.940 I would love, I mean, there's, I think people need that.

00:56:27.580 I think there's a space for that to come back in, um, to your point on people resonating

00:56:33.020 with the message over the style.

00:56:34.720 I mean, we see that all the time with Tom McDonald.

00:56:36.900 I don't really listen to rap, but I love what he's saying.

00:56:39.100 You know, I get that message from people that go, uh, I listen to a lot of hard rock music,

00:56:43.760 but, uh, I really like your singer songwriter stuff because of the message.

00:56:48.000 And, and that's something that, you know, I, I think about every time I put out something

00:56:52.760 new now.

00:56:53.680 Um, I don't want it polished.

00:56:55.800 I, I want something raw and real and honest about what's happening.

00:57:00.100 And that is going to go a lot farther than the production that's put into it.

00:57:05.440 I think this is, this is the challenge pop, uh, politics has become pop culture.

00:57:09.480 And so there's for us when it comes to production, it's a question of, yeah, I got a bunch of

00:57:14.280 songs that are overtly political and we've only put out one, uh, genocide, which is not

00:57:21.120 even political in the sense where we're like Joe Biden's a shithead.

00:57:23.680 It's more just like, you know, uh, the lyrics we did in the third one were shadows of the,

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00:59:01.080 Yeah, but we know you meant, we know you meant that, uh...

00:59:07.240 Corporate press.

00:59:07.840 Yeah.

00:59:08.520 Like, I mean, we have them in the music video singing the song.

00:59:11.220 Yeah.

00:59:11.400 And it's like, I think it was Taylor Lorenz we had sing it.

00:59:13.660 And so it's like, but I don't say, CNN is lying to you.

00:59:16.640 CNN is lying to you.

00:59:17.680 But we know that you meant that.

00:59:19.020 Like, that's what's happening right now.

00:59:20.520 It pisses them off.

00:59:21.260 So, but actually, I think this is the opportunity.

00:59:24.800 I think if you don't recognize what people want,

00:59:28.960 or you refuse to give them what they want,

00:59:31.060 you may as well be selling asparagus flavored ice cream.

00:59:33.460 Mm-hmm.

00:59:33.780 So if right now people are saying,

00:59:36.580 we clearly want music with a message,

00:59:39.040 then we should be saying, then that's what we'll focus on.

00:59:41.600 Because I got a bunch of songs that are more overtly political,

00:59:44.680 and we've decided to layer in some not political,

00:59:48.460 because we don't want to force it.

00:59:49.360 I don't want to just, you know, it's kind of grifting.

00:59:51.580 It's kind of grifty, I guess.

00:59:52.880 But at the same time, you look at the success

00:59:56.000 that Tom McDonald's had with these songs

00:59:58.100 directly addressing these issues.

00:59:59.740 He's had a few that don't, that also did extremely well.

01:00:02.460 You layer them in.

01:00:03.640 But my point is just this.

01:00:05.540 If the people right now are saying,

01:00:07.300 we want a strong message in our music,

01:00:10.480 we want to convey our values,

01:00:12.240 then I think that's what we should be doing.

01:00:13.780 Yeah, 100%.

01:00:15.100 Yeah, I think people are just pining for that.

01:00:17.360 And in entertainment across the board.

01:00:20.300 I mean, we're seeing it with movies

01:00:21.860 where agendas piped in over story,

01:00:24.560 and there's no good storytelling in movies anymore.

01:00:27.620 See, that's the thing.

01:00:29.860 The woke, injected politics stuff sucks ass.

01:00:33.100 We're smarter.

01:00:34.320 We could make good music with good messaging

01:00:36.920 and then convey an idea in a good song.

01:00:39.860 Yeah.

01:00:40.060 Yeah, I think that's the turning point that we're at now.

01:00:43.940 It's just that you're not going to get that

01:00:45.480 from mainstream art right now.

01:00:48.720 You're just not going to get it.

01:00:49.680 They would have shown up three years ago

01:00:51.340 if they were going to speak up,

01:00:52.860 but nobody showed up.

01:00:54.060 You had a very small handful of people

01:00:56.100 actually speak up in entertainment.

01:00:57.980 Taylor Swift has that song.

01:00:59.760 What is it called?

01:01:00.440 You Need to Calm Down or something?

01:01:02.020 Is that what it's called?

01:01:03.120 I know what you're talking about.

01:01:04.080 And the whole second verse is her being like,

01:01:07.400 fuck you for not being gay or whatever.

01:01:09.380 I'm exaggerating.

01:01:11.000 It's like, she's like,

01:01:12.140 why are you ragging on gay people?

01:01:13.620 Because shade never made anybody less gay.

01:01:15.980 Oh, it's like, you know,

01:01:18.320 I really feel like she wrote that song

01:01:21.140 because she was being accused of being conservative

01:01:22.780 because she's like Nashville country girl

01:01:25.480 become pop star.

01:01:26.580 Yeah.

01:01:26.800 And it's the most generic, low,

01:01:30.500 lowbrow take on what people actually think

01:01:33.320 about LGBTQ stuff.

01:01:35.620 But it fits the narrative for the left.

01:01:37.960 Right.

01:01:38.300 It panders to them.

01:01:41.020 And so she went for it.

01:01:42.760 And it's, I can respect the song in that

01:01:45.840 the first verse is her ragging on cancel culture.

01:01:50.120 She's like, people on Twitter are talking shit.

01:01:53.180 And like, what did she call it?

01:01:56.100 She threatens violence against people.

01:01:57.620 Tim, you know too many Taylor Swift lyrics.

01:02:00.080 I'm going to be honest with you.

01:02:00.820 Bro, Taylor Swift's legit, man.

01:02:03.140 No, but hold on.

01:02:03.840 But yeah, no, I hear what you're saying.

01:02:06.480 I think a lot of that stuff, you know, it's coach.

01:02:08.560 She has a machine behind her.

01:02:10.900 You have to, we need to put out a song

01:02:12.700 that has this message behind it

01:02:14.360 because we don't want people thinking this about you.

01:02:16.900 Dude, Taylor Swift in the first verse

01:02:18.780 of you need to calm down.

01:02:20.240 She says, you are somebody that I don't know,

01:02:22.340 but you're taking shots at me like it's Petron.

01:02:24.820 And I'm just like, damn, it's 7 a.m.

01:02:26.800 Say it in the street.

01:02:27.840 That's a knockout.

01:02:28.660 But you say it in a tweet.

01:02:29.320 That's a cop out.

01:02:29.940 And I'm like, hey, are you okay?

01:02:31.900 That's great.

01:02:32.820 I love that.

01:02:33.920 Mike Tyson said that.

01:02:35.080 If Taylor Swift is threatening to punch you in the face

01:02:37.060 because you're talking shit on Twitter,

01:02:38.760 I'm like, that's a perfect example

01:02:40.880 of something's wrong on social media.

01:02:43.480 Say it in the street.

01:02:44.280 That's a knockout.

01:02:46.120 Yeah, Mike Tyson said,

01:02:47.820 social media has made people okay

01:02:49.480 with saying things that would normally

01:02:50.480 get them punched in the face.

01:02:51.860 I love that Taylor Swift said it better than he did.

01:02:54.460 Yeah, it's true.

01:02:55.980 That's the world that we live in right now.

01:02:57.880 But, yeah, I do think we are at that turning point

01:03:03.620 with art and music.

01:03:05.880 There's something that people are desiring.

01:03:09.020 I think it's people are exhausted

01:03:11.020 of being told what to do by celebrities.

01:03:15.540 You're going to see it from the indie underbelly.

01:03:18.620 It's going to be an underdog story

01:03:20.240 of artists that weren't tethered to a label

01:03:24.640 or a manager or a PR agency

01:03:27.140 that felt free enough to say

01:03:29.420 what people were actually thinking.

01:03:32.060 That's one of the reasons

01:03:33.260 Trump resonates with so many people

01:03:35.760 is he's not tethered to,

01:03:38.920 or the optics are he's not tethered

01:03:41.940 to a system in place.

01:03:44.180 You know what I think is an indicator of civil war?

01:03:46.800 Remember, we put out a song,

01:03:50.600 or how about this?

01:03:51.440 We'll start here.

01:03:52.160 You and I got banned from band camp.

01:03:54.780 Like, that's a first indicator for no reason.

01:03:57.180 Literally none.

01:03:57.960 We broke no rules.

01:03:58.540 We were making money for the platform.

01:03:59.920 They said, you're gone.

01:04:01.340 Because they don't like us.

01:04:04.380 Just period.

01:04:05.620 And that's indicative of the other elements here.

01:04:09.120 And that's, I intentionally put out songs

01:04:11.980 that were apolitical.

01:04:13.320 And how did the media react?

01:04:15.560 They started shit-talking us.

01:04:16.800 They started swearing at us.

01:04:17.820 They started telling us to go fuck ourselves.

01:04:19.480 They lied about the song.

01:04:21.620 Sam Seder ran his,

01:04:23.740 I don't know if it was him,

01:04:24.440 but his people ran the song

01:04:26.020 through some kind of filter.

01:04:27.120 So when they played it on their show,

01:04:28.900 it sounded really bad.

01:04:30.200 And they were like, wow, this is awful.

01:04:31.880 What's wrong with this song?

01:04:33.020 Oh, it sounds terrible.

01:04:34.180 When we had like, you know,

01:04:36.800 A-list production and like industry support,

01:04:39.340 the song was traditional,

01:04:42.540 high quality, professional studio production.

01:04:45.240 They intentionally lie

01:04:46.820 to try and claim the song is bad.

01:04:48.780 We had, we have a PR publicist

01:04:51.140 who was sending out a press release

01:04:53.240 like Pete Parada formerly of the offspring

01:04:55.100 and Tim Pool released a new song,

01:04:56.560 Only Ever Wanted.

01:04:57.400 We got emails back saying, fuck you.

01:05:00.020 You know, we don't support MAGA, trash,

01:05:02.340 blah, blah, blah.

01:05:03.060 It had nothing to do with the music.

01:05:05.200 The song was not political.

01:05:07.360 And that was kind of the point.

01:05:08.320 I was like, let's put out a song

01:05:10.020 that's like more generic love song rock

01:05:13.080 so that we can prove these people will,

01:05:17.700 it has to be political.

01:05:20.020 Everything will be political.

01:05:21.280 And we're at this point.

01:05:22.300 So our culture is completely dominated by it.

01:05:25.840 Pop culture is politics.

01:05:27.180 Politics is pop culture.

01:05:28.940 And call it grifting, call it whatever you want.

01:05:31.880 If you are not addressing those issues,

01:05:34.240 you will get left behind.

01:05:35.520 Yeah.

01:05:35.780 Yeah, it doesn't matter at this point.

01:05:37.620 You know, you can try to play it safe.

01:05:40.280 And I say, if you've got a handful of political songs,

01:05:43.820 just put them out.

01:05:45.000 You know, you can-

01:05:45.820 I think the song's gotta be political.

01:05:47.020 You know, it's going to be political regardless.

01:05:49.400 You could release, like I said earlier,

01:05:52.060 boy falls in love with girl.

01:05:53.720 Oh, that's political already.

01:05:55.320 Yeah, they're gonna call you a fascist.

01:05:56.820 Yeah.

01:05:57.160 This is heteronormative, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:58.660 The great thing about it is none of that stuff matters.

01:06:01.160 People on this side of the aisle are hip to that.

01:06:05.680 They know that the media lies.

01:06:08.320 And the statement is that the music speaks for itself.

01:06:12.400 The music and the fan base speaks for itself.

01:06:14.660 You put out a song and it hits billboard charts.

01:06:18.320 You did that on your own, right?

01:06:20.160 What I do on my own.

01:06:22.000 It does it on its own.

01:06:23.740 It's a natural thing.

01:06:25.220 And you know what's crazy?

01:06:27.140 When we put out Only Ever Wanted,

01:06:28.560 we got, we hit like number 12, number 16, number 14,

01:06:31.380 like all the rock charts, number two in sales.

01:06:33.440 And billboard refused to track our YouTube numbers,

01:06:36.200 which was like 2 million hits.

01:06:37.560 So we were actually hobbled.

01:06:39.560 Yeah.

01:06:39.900 We should have been, we should have done better.

01:06:41.640 And it's political.

01:06:43.000 Tom McDonald, same thing.

01:06:44.260 I'm looking at our numbers and I'm like,

01:06:46.940 how is it possible that Tom McDonald

01:06:48.580 is not number one on every release?

01:06:50.360 Not kidding.

01:06:51.060 I've looked at the numbers for these artists

01:06:53.200 when they put out songs.

01:06:54.020 Tom McDonald crushes them.

01:06:56.100 He gets like 5 million streams in a few days.

01:07:00.440 They are, I can only assume

01:07:01.700 they are intentionally fucking with him

01:07:03.380 to make sure he does not hit the top charts.

01:07:06.960 Because could you imagine every,

01:07:08.920 what does he put a song out?

01:07:09.880 Like every two weeks or every month?

01:07:11.580 He'd be on the top of billboard every month.

01:07:13.340 He should be.

01:07:14.100 But for some reason, some reason he's,

01:07:16.940 Tom McDonald should be a billboard hot 100.

01:07:19.400 The main top chart.

01:07:20.860 But I think the best he's done is like 90 one time.

01:07:24.240 And I'm like, how could we get,

01:07:28.240 they didn't count our YouTube.

01:07:30.320 They said it doesn't count.

01:07:31.700 So we had like 600,000 streams outside of that.

01:07:35.060 Or I mean, no, I think it was like 1.2 million

01:07:36.680 outside of YouTube.

01:07:37.640 And that gets us on the top of all these rock charts.

01:07:39.920 Then Tom McDonald puts out a song

01:07:41.420 and gets 10 million hits and sells 40,000 copies.

01:07:45.220 And he's not on the list.

01:07:46.400 Right.

01:07:46.700 Well, if you think about it,

01:07:49.140 I mean, you think about the people

01:07:50.420 that are behind the scenes at band camp.

01:07:52.320 If somebody's behind the scenes at band camp

01:07:53.920 that's willing to do that,

01:07:55.180 there's somebody like that behind the scenes

01:07:57.000 counting the numbers for billboard.

01:07:59.300 Right.

01:07:59.680 There's somebody back there that's like,

01:08:01.360 I don't really like that.

01:08:02.660 I don't want to change the numbers or whatever.

01:08:04.700 I mean, I would put it past the entire industry

01:08:07.680 that that stuff's going on up and down

01:08:09.380 across the board in any way possible.

01:08:11.260 I think, you know, there's other ways

01:08:14.280 to fight back as well.

01:08:17.260 I so much, I don't care so much

01:08:19.160 about the charts per se.

01:08:21.140 It is a good solid statement of what you can do.

01:08:24.260 You know, this next month,

01:08:26.600 I'm doing a campaign with my album

01:08:29.640 to raise money for the COVID vaccine injured.

01:08:33.900 And so 100% of digital sales from Silent War

01:08:36.660 are going to be going to the injured.

01:08:38.800 To me, that is a statement

01:08:40.200 that is going to push that conversation forward

01:08:42.820 a little bit more.

01:08:43.980 I think that there are ways for us

01:08:45.380 to think outside of the box

01:08:46.780 to engage in the culture war in that way too.

01:08:50.960 Tom McDonald had a song,

01:08:52.680 I think it was Ghost.

01:08:54.680 Yeah.

01:08:55.360 Hit the top of the pop charts.

01:08:57.760 That I think is really, really important as well.

01:09:00.520 One of the reasons I think it's important

01:09:02.440 to try and, here's what I think we need,

01:09:04.840 whether it's me, you, Bryson Gray,

01:09:07.300 or Tom McDonald or anybody.

01:09:08.020 We need a song that has the virality

01:09:10.620 of somebody that I used to know or Royals.

01:09:13.600 So those songs just went viral.

01:09:18.360 Everybody loved those songs, right?

01:09:20.580 Royals, it was funny,

01:09:21.860 Lorde had a post on some, you know,

01:09:25.020 forum saying like,

01:09:25.980 what do you guys think of this song?

01:09:27.820 She posts it.

01:09:29.340 Totally, it's like this low,

01:09:31.260 it's a small company or whatever,

01:09:32.400 small production.

01:09:33.320 And people were like,

01:09:34.320 oh, I don't really like this part,

01:09:35.760 but good job so far.

01:09:37.500 And then the song explodes

01:09:38.860 and becomes an international number one.

01:09:40.780 You can't deny it when people love the song.

01:09:43.280 So I think that's what we need.

01:09:44.740 We need, so Tom McDonald hitting that

01:09:46.820 top of the pop charts with Ghost

01:09:48.100 is a step in the right direction.

01:09:50.700 And that was a love song.

01:09:52.220 Right.

01:09:52.380 That's a straightforward,

01:09:53.580 I love you love song.

01:09:55.280 And so.

01:09:55.840 People are looking for that.

01:09:57.060 But we need, like,

01:09:58.040 we need to figure out

01:09:59.000 how to get the number one viral song

01:10:03.180 to make it undeniable.

01:10:05.800 And that's what I'm looking at.

01:10:07.560 Obviously, I don't think, you know,

01:10:09.100 the music that we put out,

01:10:10.540 people say it sounds like the 90s

01:10:12.040 and the 2000s.

01:10:12.740 And I'm like, oh yeah,

01:10:13.340 it's just songs we like.

01:10:14.460 I write songs, we like them,

01:10:15.900 we put them out there.

01:10:16.760 If you don't like them,

01:10:17.300 you don't have to like them, it's fine.

01:10:18.300 But I'm not gonna try and write

01:10:19.640 some, like, teeny bopper, you know.

01:10:22.140 No, you can't do that.

01:10:22.920 It wouldn't work that way.

01:10:24.000 And that's what's gonna make it,

01:10:25.740 make the statement even more impactful.

01:10:27.500 If it comes from an honest place

01:10:29.220 and does that.

01:10:30.620 But they're, like,

01:10:32.600 Circles by Post Malone,

01:10:34.060 Half a Billion Views,

01:10:35.320 major hit.

01:10:36.920 That's, like,

01:10:38.500 totally within the realm of the songs

01:10:39.960 that we could produce.

01:10:40.800 And I'm thinking, like,

01:10:42.100 we in the anti-establishment

01:10:44.660 need to hit that song

01:10:46.380 where you've got regular people going like,

01:10:48.820 oh, I love that song.

01:10:49.600 Who's that by?

01:10:50.640 They're like, oh, that's five times August.

01:10:52.000 I'm like, oh, cool.

01:10:52.860 Then they go and buy your album

01:10:53.940 and you got, like, you know,

01:10:55.320 all these other messages

01:10:56.780 that are on there.

01:10:57.300 I mean, there's a proof and concept

01:10:58.700 between what Tom McDonald's doing,

01:11:01.600 what you've done with Billboard,

01:11:03.400 what Bryson Gray has done,

01:11:05.500 what I've done.

01:11:07.900 You look at,

01:11:09.140 when it's,

01:11:09.980 when people rally behind

01:11:11.880 the anti-establishment art

01:11:14.720 that is out there right now,

01:11:16.540 it punches through the culture war.

01:11:18.960 So if that can continue to be cultivated

01:11:22.360 and nourished and appreciated,

01:11:25.760 it's only going to continue to go,

01:11:27.960 grow.

01:11:29.220 I think that Tom McDonald

01:11:30.500 has definitely paved the way

01:11:31.760 in a lot of sense

01:11:33.320 because he was saying stuff

01:11:35.060 that people,

01:11:35.860 you know,

01:11:36.060 when I first saw him,

01:11:38.020 you know,

01:11:38.280 I was going like,

01:11:38.840 oh, you know,

01:11:39.420 I think a lot of people feel this way

01:11:40.760 about him,

01:11:41.160 but you go,

01:11:42.360 oh, you can still say that,

01:11:43.980 you know,

01:11:44.320 in a song.

01:11:45.280 And that's great.

01:11:46.720 Have you listened to some of the stuff

01:11:48.200 that's on Spotify?

01:11:50.040 Like the Eazy-E stuff.

01:11:51.740 Do you know about that song?

01:11:52.940 Mm-mm.

01:11:54.280 I think it's Eazy-E.

01:11:55.760 He's got a song about

01:11:57.020 hooking up with some chick at a bar

01:11:58.860 and then finding out it's a trans person

01:12:00.680 and then murdering that person.

01:12:02.320 Oh, wow.

01:12:03.260 Yeah, it's brutal.

01:12:04.300 And it's on Spotify.

01:12:05.040 They don't care.

01:12:05.560 It's not, yeah.

01:12:06.260 I bet,

01:12:06.660 I wouldn't be surprised if like.

01:12:08.160 That's funny because,

01:12:09.120 so that song can be up,

01:12:10.960 but Let's Go Brandon got taken down,

01:12:13.880 right?

01:12:14.200 I think one of,

01:12:15.340 or I know Bryson's had music taken down

01:12:17.840 from Apple,

01:12:19.960 but.

01:12:21.520 Nobody Move is the name of the song

01:12:22.780 by Eazy-E.

01:12:23.600 Okay.

01:12:24.760 And it's like,

01:12:26.400 I kind of,

01:12:27.200 I don't,

01:12:27.960 I'm not a fan.

01:12:29.340 I guess it's from like the 80s or whatever.

01:12:31.040 Yeah.

01:12:31.780 But,

01:12:33.140 yo,

01:12:33.520 it's,

01:12:33.900 the lyrics are bad.

01:12:34.800 Let me see if I can.

01:12:36.660 It's an older song.

01:12:38.820 Yeah,

01:12:39.260 it's called Nobody Move.

01:12:41.040 Okay.

01:12:41.560 I'm pulling it up right now.

01:12:43.660 Hmm.

01:12:44.200 Let's see.

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01:14:14.700 I'm pretty sure it's nobody move

01:14:16.340 and then, do-do-do-do,

01:14:17.920 where are we at?

01:14:18.520 He's like, I'm at a bar.

01:14:21.080 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:22.360 He's like, what does he say?

01:14:24.900 It's the whole, holy crap,

01:14:26.620 like the whole second verse is

01:14:27.820 he's hooking up with some hoe.

01:14:32.420 He's creeping on.

01:14:33.120 He goes to the back room.

01:14:35.180 Cold trailed the bitch

01:14:36.080 with a gun in her back.

01:14:37.100 I say laid down on,

01:14:37.980 oh, he's trying to rape her

01:14:39.000 with a gun pointed at her.

01:14:40.820 Oh, that's nice.

01:14:41.900 These were the biggest titties

01:14:43.400 N-word ever saw.

01:14:46.100 Damn.

01:14:47.260 I thought my mind was going up on her.

01:14:49.160 She took her panties down

01:14:50.340 and she had a dick.

01:14:51.900 I said, damn.

01:14:52.680 Dropped my get from my hand.

01:14:54.220 Put the get to his legs

01:14:55.320 all the way up his skirt.

01:14:56.900 And then he basically says-

01:14:59.400 I love the idea.

01:14:59.900 Can we just pause for a second

01:15:01.160 and think about a guy

01:15:02.060 sitting there with a pen and paper

01:15:03.380 thinking of it in his brain.

01:15:05.080 How do I want to say this?

01:15:07.280 And then writing those lyrics.

01:15:08.940 I bet it's on Spotify.

01:15:10.400 How do I want to say this?

01:15:11.460 But I mean, I got to be honest.

01:15:13.160 Biggest titties.

01:15:13.900 Okay, yeah, yeah.

01:15:14.600 If it's on Spotify,

01:15:15.880 then I guess respect.

01:15:18.820 Yeah.

01:15:19.600 Well, that's, you know-

01:15:20.680 Yeah, wait.

01:15:22.540 Yup, Nobody Move by Eazy-E

01:15:24.540 is on Spotify.

01:15:26.480 And the second verse is literally him.

01:15:29.160 He says a homophobic slur.

01:15:31.740 Yeah.

01:15:32.140 He says he takes the gun

01:15:33.240 and he puts it between their legs

01:15:34.260 to make them feel pain.

01:15:35.560 Like implying killing them.

01:15:37.360 How old is that song?

01:15:39.480 Oh, let's see.

01:15:40.320 It's called Nobody Move.

01:15:44.280 It's from-

01:15:45.600 That's funny.

01:15:48.160 Let me do this.

01:15:49.260 It just goes to show you

01:15:50.440 like it's all subjective anyway.

01:15:53.180 But see, freedom of speech.

01:15:55.520 He has the right to say,

01:15:57.060 to write that song.

01:15:58.260 And it'd be up.

01:15:59.040 You don't have to agree with it.

01:16:00.480 You don't have to listen to it.

01:16:01.840 But there it is.

01:16:03.020 You can access it if you want to.

01:16:05.540 It's from Easy Does It.

01:16:06.880 Easy Does It is from 1988.

01:16:11.220 1988.

01:16:12.660 The times have changed, my friend.

01:16:15.760 Eazy-E.

01:16:16.600 Yeah, but you know, to be honest,

01:16:18.300 if you played that song

01:16:19.540 for a lot of these people

01:16:21.500 in the hip-hop community,

01:16:23.800 in the black community,

01:16:24.820 I'm sure a lot of them

01:16:25.680 would be like, yep.

01:16:26.840 Mm-hmm.

01:16:27.140 Like, yeah, that was like

01:16:30.340 a big thing among

01:16:31.420 social justice warriors

01:16:32.380 was that the black community

01:16:33.940 was very homophobic.

01:16:35.280 And they were like,

01:16:36.080 we gotta work on that.

01:16:38.060 So I'm willing to bet

01:16:39.000 that if you go to some

01:16:39.820 of these same neighborhoods

01:16:40.520 that are fans of Eazy-E,

01:16:41.840 they're gonna be like,

01:16:42.500 damn right,

01:16:43.160 even by today's standards.

01:16:45.080 Man, it's been a long time.

01:16:46.320 Maybe just by you reading that,

01:16:48.140 you'll bring attention

01:16:48.840 to the song more

01:16:50.500 and then it'll get canceled.

01:16:53.280 I don't want it to get canceled.

01:16:54.640 So somebody is watching this

01:16:56.200 right now going,

01:16:57.160 oh my gosh.

01:16:58.380 And then they're typing

01:16:59.100 it in over on Spotify

01:17:00.300 and they're like,

01:17:00.920 delete, delete.

01:17:03.020 Look at this.

01:17:03.640 We get our music banned.

01:17:05.340 Yeah.

01:17:05.660 You know, like,

01:17:07.300 and this dude,

01:17:08.340 he's, but to be fair,

01:17:09.540 Spotify, you're still

01:17:10.560 on Spotify, right?

01:17:11.320 Yeah, we're both on Spotify.

01:17:12.620 So it's like, okay,

01:17:13.280 you know, I guess I'm not worried

01:17:15.100 about getting banned

01:17:15.580 from Spotify

01:17:16.080 because if that's up there,

01:17:18.220 I'll put it this way.

01:17:19.340 If I ever got banned

01:17:20.540 from Spotify

01:17:21.120 for some rule

01:17:22.300 like TOS hate speech,

01:17:24.140 I would sue so fast

01:17:25.560 their heads would spin.

01:17:26.500 I'd be like,

01:17:27.300 y'all got Eazy-E on there

01:17:29.060 from 1988.

01:17:30.380 What did we say?

01:17:31.940 So that makes me

01:17:33.080 a little bit more confident.

01:17:34.100 You know, that's the thing.

01:17:35.480 Like, so I mentioned like

01:17:37.460 my video for Sad Little Man

01:17:39.960 gets marked

01:17:40.440 for medical misinformation.

01:17:41.920 I have some other videos

01:17:42.800 marked for hate speech

01:17:43.800 that are just,

01:17:44.440 it's just rally footage,

01:17:45.860 people hugging

01:17:46.580 and walking in the street

01:17:47.560 holding protest songs.

01:17:48.860 But on the other end

01:17:50.020 of the spectrum,

01:17:50.640 so those songs,

01:17:51.480 deplatformed, demonetized,

01:17:53.280 marked for this and that,

01:17:54.460 but then you've got

01:17:55.940 other videos,

01:17:56.780 you've got WAP,

01:17:58.520 you've got Childish Gambino's

01:18:00.300 This is America

01:18:01.280 where he literally

01:18:01.860 mows down a church choir

01:18:03.840 with a gun.

01:18:05.260 On YouTube.

01:18:05.900 On YouTube,

01:18:06.720 fully monetized.

01:18:07.620 And I can't even talk

01:18:08.380 about the news.

01:18:09.820 We got age restricted

01:18:11.260 because of a story

01:18:13.100 about someone dying.

01:18:15.300 But no,

01:18:15.680 Childish Gambino,

01:18:16.320 he's cool.

01:18:16.720 Right, that's totally cool.

01:18:18.020 The whole video starts out

01:18:19.300 with a guy,

01:18:20.520 he's got a bag over his head

01:18:22.800 and he shoots him in the head

01:18:23.820 and that's fully monetized,

01:18:26.520 suitable for all advertisers.

01:18:29.020 You know,

01:18:29.280 Sam Smith's video.

01:18:30.220 I'm not sure, is it?

01:18:31.280 Yeah.

01:18:31.780 Oh yeah.

01:18:33.120 And it has like,

01:18:33.880 They don't show us.

01:18:35.160 It has like 800 million views,

01:18:37.600 fully monetized.

01:18:38.400 Any kid can watch it.

01:18:39.420 Yeah, but are ads

01:18:40.100 running on it?

01:18:41.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:18:42.800 Of course it is

01:18:43.700 because they're in the club.

01:18:45.040 Now my videos

01:18:45.920 that are cartoons

01:18:46.800 and rally footage,

01:18:47.940 18 years or older.

01:18:49.480 Are you sure

01:18:50.160 about ads running on it?

01:18:50.960 I guarantee you

01:18:52.980 I've looked into this.

01:18:54.900 I've posted all this stuff.

01:18:57.940 And if it's not,

01:18:59.580 it is though.

01:19:00.720 So I think,

01:19:02.880 I could be wrong,

01:19:04.060 but when this,

01:19:05.020 this is four years ago,

01:19:07.000 like I'm playing it now,

01:19:07.820 I'm not getting any ads.

01:19:09.480 I'm pretty sure

01:19:10.380 that I reached out

01:19:11.440 to YouTube,

01:19:12.320 pissed off,

01:19:13.380 because of some degree

01:19:14.580 of censorship.

01:19:15.440 And then I said,

01:19:16.340 how do you justify this?

01:19:17.460 This seems like

01:19:18.280 a breach of contract.

01:19:19.180 And then I was told

01:19:20.260 that it's actually

01:19:21.100 not monetized.

01:19:22.200 That it's allowed

01:19:23.660 to be on the platform.

01:19:23.920 You can look up

01:19:24.340 other ones though,

01:19:25.140 because I've posted

01:19:25.840 like Sam Smith's new video,

01:19:27.980 fully monetized.

01:19:31.500 There's some Cardi B videos,

01:19:33.160 Lil Nas X videos

01:19:34.260 that have like nudity,

01:19:36.120 blood, gore,

01:19:37.620 people getting shot,

01:19:39.080 whatever it may be.

01:19:41.280 You know,

01:19:41.800 lap dance with the devil.

01:19:43.340 That's okay.

01:19:44.700 People walking in the street

01:19:45.980 holding a sign

01:19:46.620 that says freedom.

01:19:47.620 Not so much.

01:19:48.560 Right.

01:19:49.720 I mean,

01:19:50.140 YouTube demonetized you?

01:19:51.660 So I've got like,

01:19:52.760 I think five videos

01:19:54.060 that have been

01:19:54.780 either demonetized

01:19:56.420 or running on limited ads,

01:19:58.220 which is pretty much demonetized.

01:19:59.880 And then I have several videos

01:20:01.320 that are age restricted.

01:20:04.540 And so,

01:20:05.880 you know,

01:20:06.340 when,

01:20:07.300 and like I said,

01:20:08.040 my stuff's not even controversial.

01:20:09.840 It's not like,

01:20:10.760 what you just read,

01:20:12.500 that verse

01:20:13.720 is more controversial

01:20:14.900 than anything

01:20:15.640 I will ever write

01:20:17.060 in my entire life.

01:20:18.720 It's just that

01:20:19.720 somebody on the other end

01:20:21.860 sees it

01:20:22.560 and says,

01:20:23.420 I don't like,

01:20:24.140 and then puts a little flag on it.

01:20:26.520 But that's the world

01:20:27.680 that we're in.

01:20:28.240 And I'm not surprised,

01:20:29.260 you know,

01:20:29.460 kind of like what we were

01:20:30.020 talking about earlier.

01:20:31.560 It's power dynamics.

01:20:33.280 So,

01:20:33.740 you know,

01:20:33.980 some people have asked like,

01:20:34.780 how come we haven't been banned

01:20:36.100 from YouTube?

01:20:37.480 And I'm like,

01:20:39.280 there's a couple different reasons.

01:20:41.320 One is,

01:20:42.080 we follow the rules,

01:20:43.580 you know,

01:20:43.840 and so we have

01:20:44.640 an uncensored after show

01:20:45.920 for the spicier conversations.

01:20:48.580 But it's also,

01:20:50.140 we are the,

01:20:50.740 we are consistently

01:20:51.380 the biggest live show

01:20:52.780 at night on YouTube.

01:20:54.660 And I didn't know this,

01:20:55.980 but people pointed out to us

01:20:57.160 that if you check the live streams,

01:20:59.480 we,

01:20:59.980 Timcast IRL

01:21:00.440 always has the most views

01:21:02.040 for primetime on YouTube.

01:21:04.420 So what probably happens

01:21:05.620 is YouTube says,

01:21:07.360 well,

01:21:07.760 what they said was

01:21:08.980 probably enforceable,

01:21:10.560 but we don't want to ban

01:21:11.400 Timcast IRL.

01:21:12.340 It's the biggest show we got.

01:21:13.240 We make money off it.

01:21:14.200 We get attention for it.

01:21:15.520 So we'll let that one slide.

01:21:16.760 Then a smaller channel

01:21:17.600 says the same thing

01:21:18.320 and they go,

01:21:18.540 I don't care about you.

01:21:19.280 Right.

01:21:19.440 You're gone.

01:21:20.160 Yeah.

01:21:20.740 You're in the club,

01:21:21.700 Tim.

01:21:22.540 Sort of.

01:21:23.500 It's like,

01:21:25.260 it goes to show you

01:21:26.300 it's,

01:21:26.680 it's not even about,

01:21:28.000 it's,

01:21:28.560 it's,

01:21:29.080 it's money driven.

01:21:30.960 It's,

01:21:31.400 you know,

01:21:31.760 it's,

01:21:32.140 it's subjective.

01:21:32.840 It's the thing.

01:21:34.100 Absolutely.

01:21:34.400 There's no,

01:21:35.060 there's no standard.

01:21:36.180 Which is why we have to sue.

01:21:37.520 Because you can't,

01:21:38.740 you can't do that.

01:21:39.820 So the band camp things

01:21:40.980 especially agree

01:21:41.660 just,

01:21:41.960 just because

01:21:42.440 that I don't believe

01:21:45.620 that a business

01:21:47.720 has a right

01:21:48.360 to do what they did.

01:21:49.440 Like the example

01:21:51.020 that I gave last week,

01:21:51.940 we were talking to

01:21:52.660 James Lawrence,

01:21:53.260 who's probably going to be

01:21:54.040 the,

01:21:54.680 our,

01:21:54.940 our,

01:21:55.320 our,

01:21:55.580 my lawyer on this one.

01:21:56.800 And we'll,

01:21:57.080 if you want to sign on,

01:21:58.060 we'll probably,

01:21:58.620 I mean,

01:21:59.020 we'll work that out

01:21:59.600 and then we'll try

01:22:00.380 and get Bryson.

01:22:01.300 So,

01:22:01.660 my attitude was

01:22:03.780 if a,

01:22:05.120 if a business

01:22:05.780 is open to the public

01:22:06.860 and you go inside

01:22:08.520 and you order a sandwich

01:22:10.260 and a bag of chips

01:22:11.900 and a Coke

01:22:13.000 and say nothing else

01:22:14.740 and you sit down

01:22:15.260 and you're eating it

01:22:15.820 and they walk up

01:22:17.320 to you right now

01:22:18.040 and they take your sandwich

01:22:18.980 from you and say,

01:22:19.520 get out.

01:22:20.400 Like they can't,

01:22:21.200 you can't do that.

01:22:22.200 You have to give the money back.

01:22:23.400 You have to like,

01:22:24.440 you've got,

01:22:24.960 you've got a civil tort there.

01:22:27.020 Granted,

01:22:27.440 like I'm sure the cops

01:22:28.080 won't do anything about it

01:22:28.760 to say your sandwich

01:22:29.300 was taken from you.

01:22:30.060 But it's like,

01:22:30.980 look man,

01:22:31.760 I gave them something.

01:22:33.160 They gave me something.

01:22:34.440 They took that thing away

01:22:35.500 without telling me

01:22:36.200 and then booted me out

01:22:37.180 without warning,

01:22:38.300 without notice.

01:22:39.520 Even though businesses say

01:22:40.860 we reserve the right

01:22:41.660 to refuse service to anyone,

01:22:42.540 that's actually not true.

01:22:43.680 Public accommodations

01:22:44.300 are required to serve

01:22:45.480 the public

01:22:45.940 based on standard

01:22:47.380 interpretation of the law.

01:22:48.600 That's why you have

01:22:49.360 the gay bakery

01:22:49.920 in Colorado stuff.

01:22:51.400 You can make an argument

01:22:52.320 about why.

01:22:53.640 I'll say this.

01:22:55.520 It's curious

01:22:56.740 that band camp

01:22:57.940 banned me,

01:22:58.640 a mixed race,

01:22:59.760 you know,

01:23:00.120 Asian person

01:23:01.160 is racism.

01:23:03.460 They don't want your kind.

01:23:05.200 That's right.

01:23:06.080 They don't want your kind.

01:23:07.020 They don't want my kind there.

01:23:08.280 It's all white people.

01:23:09.060 They don't want our kind

01:23:10.240 over there.

01:23:10.900 And you look at what they do

01:23:12.120 with the schools

01:23:12.780 and affirmative action

01:23:13.520 against Asians.

01:23:14.300 I think that's proof.

01:23:15.640 You know what?

01:23:15.980 I'll sue them over that.

01:23:17.340 You know what's,

01:23:17.800 you know what's interesting?

01:23:18.640 The day that I was

01:23:20.000 logged in

01:23:21.340 to my band camp account,

01:23:22.760 I actually identified

01:23:23.980 as a they-them

01:23:24.860 at that day.

01:23:26.440 Well, that should have

01:23:26.820 given you protections.

01:23:27.660 Yeah.

01:23:28.020 But my point is this.

01:23:28.940 Bigots.

01:23:29.380 If someone goes to a restaurant,

01:23:30.900 let's say like a black dude

01:23:31.680 goes to a restaurant

01:23:32.340 and he gets kicked out,

01:23:34.580 he absolutely

01:23:35.520 has the grounds

01:23:36.480 to file a lawsuit

01:23:37.280 and say it was race-based

01:23:38.200 and then it would be

01:23:39.420 in the press,

01:23:39.880 it would be all over the news.

01:23:41.100 So do I not,

01:23:42.260 am I not afford

01:23:43.000 the same right

01:23:43.700 to make those claims

01:23:44.440 and be like,

01:23:44.720 I believe they did it.

01:23:46.060 So anyway,

01:23:47.400 ultimately what I think is

01:23:48.820 if they

01:23:50.700 tell us

01:23:51.780 here's the contract,

01:23:53.700 we can terminate it

01:23:54.680 at any time,

01:23:55.500 there is an expectation

01:23:56.380 that termination

01:23:57.280 involves

01:23:58.240 reasonableness.

01:24:00.020 Yeah.

01:24:00.300 Like reasonable action

01:24:01.360 or however you define it.

01:24:02.380 It is not reasonable

01:24:03.460 to invite people

01:24:04.760 of the public

01:24:05.560 into a place,

01:24:06.700 take something

01:24:07.620 of value from them,

01:24:08.660 then abruptly

01:24:10.240 remove them

01:24:10.980 without recompense.

01:24:12.840 So my attitude is,

01:24:14.940 look man,

01:24:16.060 they could at least send,

01:24:17.320 here's all your data,

01:24:18.540 here's how much money

01:24:19.820 was in the account,

01:24:20.600 here's how we closed it out,

01:24:21.920 none of that.

01:24:22.920 Well, as far as I'm concerned,

01:24:23.880 they stole my money,

01:24:24.940 they stole my data,

01:24:25.840 they broke their own contracts

01:24:26.800 and that's why

01:24:27.560 we have to sue.

01:24:29.220 Yeah.

01:24:29.460 We have to,

01:24:30.520 you know,

01:24:30.820 because otherwise,

01:24:31.800 as you said,

01:24:32.320 it's all subjective.

01:24:33.460 But how can we function

01:24:35.420 as a society

01:24:36.020 if there's no standard

01:24:38.520 by which we know

01:24:39.220 we're allowed to operate?

01:24:40.520 Mm-hmm.

01:24:41.200 You know,

01:24:41.480 so if I can't,

01:24:43.040 imagine if you got banned

01:24:43.820 from McDonald's,

01:24:44.860 you know,

01:24:45.500 just for no reason.

01:24:46.360 Yeah.

01:24:46.680 You are no longer

01:24:47.300 allowed to participate.

01:24:48.480 So I've always been

01:24:49.320 on the side of the,

01:24:51.480 when it came to the bakery

01:24:52.320 in Colorado,

01:24:53.400 my attitude was always like,

01:24:54.720 dude,

01:24:55.320 if I have a bakery

01:24:56.040 and someone wants to come

01:24:57.500 and buy a cake for me

01:24:58.320 and it's for a gay wedding,

01:25:00.160 I'm not going to consider

01:25:01.080 that my speech,

01:25:01.640 I consider it their speech.

01:25:02.880 Mm-hmm.

01:25:03.160 I understand the argument though.

01:25:04.260 The argument wasn't

01:25:04.820 that he was denying service,

01:25:06.300 he was denying

01:25:06.880 that he would write that message.

01:25:08.140 Now that becomes interesting.

01:25:09.380 Mm-hmm.

01:25:09.920 So that's where

01:25:10.580 the lawsuit comes in.

01:25:11.380 But my attitude is,

01:25:12.680 you shouldn't be able

01:25:13.320 to bar a person

01:25:14.480 because they're gay

01:25:15.140 from a public accommodation.

01:25:16.680 Mm-hmm.

01:25:16.900 It should be like,

01:25:17.680 as long as they are not disruptive

01:25:19.080 to the business,

01:25:20.460 if someone comes in

01:25:21.440 to buy something,

01:25:22.320 you provide them

01:25:23.160 reasonable service.

01:25:24.120 Mm-hmm.

01:25:24.460 And my attitude is,

01:25:26.020 if you're taking up space

01:25:27.080 in public by occupying

01:25:28.120 a building and infrastructure

01:25:29.360 and then you deny service

01:25:31.400 to someone because of their race,

01:25:32.740 Mm-hmm.

01:25:33.060 you are negatively impacting

01:25:34.760 the entirety of the community

01:25:36.080 for no legitimate reason.

01:25:38.460 Mm-hmm.

01:25:38.620 And if you weren't there

01:25:39.640 and someone else was,

01:25:40.760 more economic activity

01:25:42.120 could be occurring.

01:25:43.340 So that's why I'm like,

01:25:44.240 no,

01:25:44.420 if you're in a public accommodation,

01:25:45.960 you should not be able

01:25:47.120 to arbitrarily deny services

01:25:48.220 to people.

01:25:48.860 Mm-hmm.

01:25:49.740 With the bakery,

01:25:50.840 it was more specifically that

01:25:52.200 he said,

01:25:53.040 I'll give you any cake you want,

01:25:54.020 I'll make you any cake,

01:25:54.740 but I will not personally

01:25:55.920 write what you want me to write.

01:25:57.260 Yeah.

01:25:57.680 And that's what they had

01:25:58.500 a problem with

01:25:59.040 and they sued him over

01:25:59.800 and I think he won in the end.

01:26:01.320 Now they're harassing him.

01:26:02.680 That being said,

01:26:03.480 I do not believe

01:26:04.520 that Bandcamp has a right

01:26:06.140 to be a public accommodation,

01:26:07.180 invite people in,

01:26:07.940 offer up the service

01:26:08.540 to the public,

01:26:09.100 and then arbitrarily deny people.

01:26:10.860 Right.

01:26:11.480 So,

01:26:11.840 and it's obvious

01:26:12.380 they're doing it

01:26:12.720 for political reasons.

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01:27:44.000 With the band camp situation,

01:27:46.500 if we're going to put

01:27:47.140 in a metaphor of

01:27:48.120 you go into an estate,

01:27:49.380 let's say you're at the mall

01:27:50.320 and you get a slice of pizza

01:27:53.620 and you're sitting down,

01:27:55.280 they take the food away from you

01:27:56.640 and it's the mall

01:27:59.460 as the landlord

01:28:00.400 of the pizza place, right?

01:28:02.220 That's a better example.

01:28:03.160 Right?

01:28:03.360 And the mall says,

01:28:05.160 get out.

01:28:05.940 And then you're like,

01:28:06.840 whoa, why?

01:28:08.180 They go,

01:28:08.700 take it up with the pizza place.

01:28:10.440 That's what they've done.

01:28:11.700 Because when somebody tries

01:28:12.860 to access,

01:28:13.360 the people that can't

01:28:14.220 access our music,

01:28:15.500 they are being told

01:28:16.220 to take it up with us

01:28:17.520 through band camp's decisions.

01:28:19.580 This is actually,

01:28:20.460 I think the mall

01:28:21.100 is a better example

01:28:21.700 because band camp

01:28:23.840 created a space

01:28:24.580 where we are trading

01:28:26.040 with people.

01:28:26.700 Whereas I use

01:28:27.420 like a burger joint

01:28:28.320 and, you know,

01:28:29.700 they kick you out

01:28:30.420 and they're the ones

01:28:31.140 serving you the pizza.

01:28:31.520 This is better.

01:28:32.280 So it's more like

01:28:33.060 the mall is open to the public.

01:28:34.860 The mall has rules.

01:28:36.640 You go into the mall

01:28:37.660 and you walk into Hot Topic

01:28:38.820 and then you're like,

01:28:40.380 I would like to purchase

01:28:41.440 these shirts.

01:28:43.440 You then give,

01:28:45.220 you know,

01:28:45.480 give the money to the store

01:28:46.660 and they say,

01:28:47.780 okay,

01:28:48.220 we'll get that shirt for you.

01:28:49.840 And then mall security

01:28:51.060 walks in for no reason,

01:28:52.660 abruptly grabs you

01:28:53.660 and drags you out

01:28:54.520 and throws you out

01:28:55.240 and says nothing

01:28:55.740 and then locks the door.

01:28:56.440 And you're like,

01:28:56.800 wait.

01:28:57.700 Yeah.

01:28:57.840 Like I just put money in there.

01:28:59.260 Like looking through the window

01:29:00.020 and you're like,

01:29:00.380 guys,

01:29:01.760 nobody responds.

01:29:02.500 So if that happened,

01:29:03.880 you would have,

01:29:05.800 I mean,

01:29:06.100 you might be able

01:29:06.400 to call the police over that.

01:29:07.760 Yeah.

01:29:08.300 So band camp

01:29:09.300 has removed us

01:29:10.180 from their mall

01:29:10.940 where we were running a store.

01:29:12.980 I guess this is another way

01:29:13.860 to put it.

01:29:14.500 You actually,

01:29:15.660 I think we did say this

01:29:16.500 the other day.

01:29:16.860 Like,

01:29:17.040 I think we did talk

01:29:17.820 about this last week.

01:29:18.920 You go to a mall.

01:29:20.440 You said,

01:29:20.720 yeah,

01:29:20.860 this is the example

01:29:21.540 that I gave to James Lawrence.

01:29:23.040 It's like if I was at a mall

01:29:24.040 and I opened a store

01:29:25.420 and I was selling products,

01:29:27.040 broke no rules,

01:29:28.540 then one day

01:29:29.360 I come to my store

01:29:30.080 and there's a padlock

01:29:31.020 on the gate I can't open

01:29:32.060 and all my stuff's inside

01:29:33.120 and security kicks me out.

01:29:35.080 My customers are standing

01:29:35.900 in front of the store

01:29:36.380 saying,

01:29:36.840 why can't we get in?

01:29:37.940 The mall is saying

01:29:38.760 nothing to nobody.

01:29:39.720 They have things of value

01:29:40.820 that belong to me

01:29:41.420 and the customers

01:29:42.060 and they've shut up.

01:29:43.260 Yeah.

01:29:43.340 Obviously,

01:29:44.900 that's a lawsuit circumstance.

01:29:46.320 In fact,

01:29:46.620 that might be a police action.

01:29:48.580 Illegal eviction.

01:29:49.880 This is the thing

01:29:50.280 we got to consider too

01:29:51.000 with the internet.

01:29:52.400 If you get evicted,

01:29:53.900 if you open a business

01:29:54.780 on a street corner

01:29:55.400 and then the city comes

01:29:57.760 and shuts your business down

01:29:58.920 or like the landlord

01:30:00.920 kicks you out,

01:30:02.420 the police will come

01:30:03.320 and open the doors.

01:30:04.300 The city is a bad example.

01:30:05.140 If they did that,

01:30:05.780 I don't know who's going to do it.

01:30:06.560 The cops aren't going

01:30:07.400 to open the door for you.

01:30:08.180 But if you rent an apartment

01:30:09.980 and the landlord kicks you out,

01:30:11.640 the police will actually come

01:30:13.000 open the door

01:30:13.480 and let you back in

01:30:14.160 because it's illegal to do that.

01:30:16.620 We need to consider that

01:30:17.960 landlord tenant protections

01:30:21.000 and laws

01:30:21.880 when it comes to the internet.

01:30:23.280 If I set up an account

01:30:24.520 on Facebook

01:30:24.980 and I build a business there

01:30:26.900 and then Facebook

01:30:28.860 snaps their fingers

01:30:29.740 and destroys it,

01:30:31.380 our economy is going to fail.

01:30:33.320 We can't have that.

01:30:34.900 So you open a business,

01:30:36.700 you rent a storefront,

01:30:38.080 you sell muffins,

01:30:39.360 the owner of that building

01:30:40.860 cannot remove your business.

01:30:42.780 They have to sue you

01:30:43.720 and win in court

01:30:44.940 to get a removal.

01:30:46.200 Why is the internet any different?

01:30:48.000 If I say to Facebook,

01:30:49.320 hey, you're a big store,

01:30:50.540 I'm going to open my business here,

01:30:51.940 my business is news articles,

01:30:53.640 then they ban you abruptly?

01:30:55.280 Say, well,

01:30:55.700 you violated the agreement

01:30:56.520 because, you know,

01:30:58.080 we didn't like what you said

01:30:58.860 and it's like, well, hold on.

01:31:00.260 Why do you have that right

01:31:01.400 to shut down my business?

01:31:02.600 Same thing with Patreon.

01:31:04.000 Patreon should not be allowed

01:31:05.000 to do that.

01:31:05.300 The problem is,

01:31:07.180 I think the precedent

01:31:08.580 should follow physical reality.

01:31:11.800 But it's not going

01:31:12.840 until someone wins a lawsuit.

01:31:14.600 So maybe that's the angle

01:31:15.400 we need to approach

01:31:16.080 with the band camp lawsuit

01:31:17.240 is that the argument

01:31:20.420 we should draft for the court

01:31:21.680 is in the physical world,

01:31:24.040 if you rent a storefront,

01:31:25.880 you cannot be evicted

01:31:27.080 without due process

01:31:28.040 and due notice.

01:31:29.580 Why would an internet business

01:31:31.480 be afforded a special right

01:31:33.180 to evict you

01:31:33.900 and shut your business down

01:31:35.160 without that same process

01:31:37.480 or rights?

01:31:38.360 Yeah, that's true.

01:31:39.900 Because that's the thing,

01:31:41.000 like, we can't go back in

01:31:42.220 and get our things, right?

01:31:43.480 We've got users, emails.

01:31:46.160 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:46.900 I mean, that's our information.

01:31:49.400 I hope we can set precedent

01:31:50.620 in this regard.

01:31:51.240 It's uncharted territory.

01:31:53.680 Yeah.

01:31:53.880 You know?

01:31:54.760 Yeah, I mean,

01:31:55.500 I...

01:31:56.460 That's the thing

01:31:57.480 I'm tired of

01:31:58.160 with all of this stuff

01:32:00.300 is that nothing ever

01:32:01.120 really gets done.

01:32:02.080 So I just,

01:32:02.800 I think that

01:32:03.380 that would be a good deal.

01:32:05.160 I'm so sick of the cowards, bro.

01:32:06.920 I'm sick of the cowards.

01:32:08.340 Hey, Bandcamp,

01:32:09.460 I'm coming for you.

01:32:10.740 Is that a threat?

01:32:12.020 Coming for you?

01:32:12.840 I'm coming for you.

01:32:14.160 And it's typically,

01:32:15.280 you're not supposed

01:32:15.640 to talk about these things,

01:32:16.580 but like,

01:32:16.920 I don't want to.

01:32:17.940 I just want them to,

01:32:19.080 like...

01:32:19.860 Just acknowledge the situation.

01:32:21.720 That's all they have to do.

01:32:22.900 They can say,

01:32:23.580 look,

01:32:23.760 we don't like your politics.

01:32:25.880 Here's your data.

01:32:26.700 Here's your money.

01:32:27.260 We removed your stuff, right.

01:32:27.720 Here's your customer list.

01:32:29.120 Yeah.

01:32:29.300 Here's,

01:32:29.560 and then all the money

01:32:30.460 and then I'll say to them,

01:32:33.100 here's what we'll do.

01:32:33.540 I will refund

01:32:34.180 every single person

01:32:35.100 who used your platform,

01:32:35.860 but you got to give

01:32:36.580 that money back too.

01:32:37.580 Yeah.

01:32:38.100 They have a cut of that money.

01:32:39.620 The customer paid Bandcamp

01:32:41.320 and me.

01:32:43.360 So Bandcamp,

01:32:45.080 that's got to be like,

01:32:46.260 so you're not,

01:32:46.900 here's what we're going to do.

01:32:48.140 I'm like,

01:32:48.960 every single person

01:32:50.460 who bought a song,

01:32:51.560 hey, yo,

01:32:51.880 Bandcamp's got your money.

01:32:52.840 Okay.

01:32:53.540 I can only give you back

01:32:54.660 so much,

01:32:55.320 but if I have to refund them

01:32:57.120 because of what Bandcamp did,

01:32:58.380 I'm suing Bandcamp

01:32:59.160 for that money.

01:33:00.620 So like,

01:33:01.040 I sold the song.

01:33:03.000 Yeah.

01:33:03.540 Songs delivered.

01:33:04.580 Yeah.

01:33:04.980 Could you imagine if like,

01:33:07.240 let's do the mall analogy again.

01:33:09.000 You go to the mall,

01:33:09.860 you go to the Best Buy in the mall.

01:33:11.340 You say,

01:33:11.580 I'd like to buy a TV.

01:33:12.300 They say,

01:33:12.620 okay,

01:33:12.960 well the TV we sell for five bucks,

01:33:14.900 500 bucks,

01:33:15.700 and then the mall charges $100.

01:33:17.780 So of the $500,

01:33:19.840 a hundred of it's actually to the mall.

01:33:21.620 And they go,

01:33:21.980 okay,

01:33:22.500 they buy it.

01:33:23.440 Then the mall shuts our door,

01:33:25.340 locks us out,

01:33:25.840 kicks us out.

01:33:26.500 And the person comes back

01:33:27.620 and says,

01:33:27.980 where's my TV?

01:33:28.940 And we're like,

01:33:29.340 it's locked inside.

01:33:30.400 Like,

01:33:30.620 well dude,

01:33:30.980 I paid for it.

01:33:31.920 It's like,

01:33:32.800 look,

01:33:33.820 take it up with the store.

01:33:34.820 They got it.

01:33:35.500 They have it.

01:33:36.520 They have a portion of the funds.

01:33:38.460 I can refund you,

01:33:40.300 but I don't have the TV either,

01:33:41.700 but I'll give you your money back.

01:33:43.100 Sorry,

01:33:43.420 bro.

01:33:43.620 That other hundred bucks,

01:33:44.660 they're holding it.

01:33:45.340 That means they're going to have to sue the mall,

01:33:49.620 which is Bandcamp.

01:33:50.760 So Bandcamp has an arbitration clause.

01:33:53.360 And I'm like,

01:33:53.800 okay,

01:33:54.080 dude,

01:33:54.320 look,

01:33:54.480 if you want 10,000 arbitration claims,

01:33:56.340 I guess that's what we're doing.

01:33:57.940 Because I can't speak on behalf of the people who bought the song,

01:34:01.080 who can't get access to it now.

01:34:02.440 And Bandcamp took money from them.

01:34:05.380 So we got to get precedence.

01:34:07.820 This is crazy.

01:34:08.720 Yeah.

01:34:09.100 I think,

01:34:09.700 I think setting an example is important.

01:34:12.080 And,

01:34:12.220 but anyway,

01:34:13.400 back to,

01:34:13.760 I'm sick of the cowards in every respect.

01:34:16.140 Yeah.

01:34:16.680 So Rhonda Santos is like,

01:34:18.720 we will not,

01:34:19.360 you know,

01:34:20.200 participate in the extradition of Donald Trump.

01:34:22.080 I'm like,

01:34:22.520 is that the best you can do?

01:34:24.680 I'm just so tired of it,

01:34:25.820 man.

01:34:26.360 Donald Trump,

01:34:27.140 the problem with Trump is that when it came to the election,

01:34:29.680 he wouldn't shut up about it.

01:34:30.960 It's like,

01:34:31.620 dude,

01:34:32.900 you do not win this way.

01:34:34.060 And that really turned me off of Trump for a long time.

01:34:36.160 When he came back and started into the East Palestine thing,

01:34:38.060 talking about policy,

01:34:39.200 he's winning me back over.

01:34:40.220 And now I'm excited.

01:34:40.780 Okay,

01:34:40.980 fine.

01:34:41.500 Trump's coming back,

01:34:42.180 baby.

01:34:42.360 I like it.

01:34:43.260 But Rhonda Santos had two opportunities now to give a middle finger with the indictment of Trump.

01:34:49.400 And he should have said,

01:34:51.580 you will not extradite Donald Trump.

01:34:55.840 Mark my words.

01:34:57.520 You will not send people into my state.

01:35:00.800 You will not lay a finger on this man.

01:35:04.060 If he so chooses to surrender,

01:35:05.860 so be it.

01:35:06.700 Instead,

01:35:07.080 he's like,

01:35:07.260 I'm not getting involved.

01:35:07.980 Don't look at me.

01:35:08.820 Yeah.

01:35:09.480 Cowards.

01:35:10.260 All of them.

01:35:10.840 There's a lot of that.

01:35:11.740 There's a lot of when it really gets dirty,

01:35:13.540 just people just sort of back away from it.

01:35:16.600 I like Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:35:17.520 She's not a coward.

01:35:18.500 She's a fighter.

01:35:19.040 I enjoy watching the warriors,

01:35:21.060 you know,

01:35:21.360 that are just fearless charging in and just being themselves.

01:35:24.720 And they take the brunt of it.

01:35:26.240 You know,

01:35:26.700 they get slammed.

01:35:29.880 That's,

01:35:30.380 that is one thing that I admire about,

01:35:32.160 about Trump.

01:35:33.440 And a lot of people in that camp is that they,

01:35:38.700 they charge ahead regardless of the arrows,

01:35:42.060 you know?

01:35:43.040 Yeah.

01:35:43.600 The challenge,

01:35:44.740 I do like Trump for that.

01:35:46.240 But one of the challenges with him is that he's too egotistical.

01:35:49.400 So when 2020 happened,

01:35:51.100 and I hear this from people,

01:35:51.780 they're like,

01:35:52.060 well,

01:35:52.200 wouldn't you be upset if you thought you were cheated?

01:35:53.960 And I'm like,

01:35:54.400 I would try to win.

01:35:55.800 You know what I mean?

01:35:56.400 Like I understand how you choose your battles.

01:36:00.360 And Trump really hurt himself by not shutting up about that for years.

01:36:03.600 He had a great opportunity.

01:36:05.000 Imagine if instead of coming out and whinging about 2020,

01:36:08.000 every time something bad happened,

01:36:09.360 he came out and said,

01:36:10.380 this is the problem I was trying to avoid.

01:36:12.720 Here was my proposed alternative course of action.

01:36:15.180 He'd be,

01:36:15.720 no,

01:36:15.860 he'd be 90% in the polls.

01:36:17.420 Instead,

01:36:17.920 he's,

01:36:18.100 he wasted all this time whinging.

01:36:19.760 So,

01:36:20.460 but,

01:36:20.860 but again,

01:36:21.900 credit where credit is due.

01:36:22.640 He's coming around.

01:36:23.460 It's getting better.

01:36:24.540 I just think,

01:36:25.800 you know,

01:36:26.040 I was talking on IRL,

01:36:27.780 we had Sean Spicer on and he keeps saying like,

01:36:30.740 we shouldn't hold cops accountable.

01:36:32.340 We should hold the politicians accountable for giving them the orders.

01:36:35.600 And I'm like,

01:36:36.400 no,

01:36:37.440 these cops don't get to be cowards.

01:36:39.560 And then I'm not going to shield them.

01:36:41.720 Cops are the first ones to build accountable.

01:36:43.400 In my,

01:36:43.780 in my opinion,

01:36:44.360 if,

01:36:45.120 if,

01:36:45.500 if a mayor comes out and says paint black lives matter in the street and the

01:36:49.560 people say,

01:36:49.980 no,

01:36:50.200 screw off.

01:36:51.100 It never happened.

01:36:52.340 Who cares what the politician has to say?

01:36:54.340 It's the enforcers who make it possible.

01:36:56.700 And then you get people like,

01:36:58.760 you know,

01:36:58.980 look,

01:36:59.160 I think Sean Spicer is a good dude,

01:37:00.480 but the defense of the people who are enforcing the action,

01:37:04.820 it's,

01:37:05.080 it's not,

01:37:05.900 I'm sorry.

01:37:06.120 It's bullshit.

01:37:07.020 It's bullshit.

01:37:07.320 I don't care if it's a cop.

01:37:08.220 I don't care if it's band camp.

01:37:09.360 I don't care if it's Twitter employee,

01:37:11.000 no excuses for the individuals who did the thing.

01:37:14.760 Yeah.

01:37:15.280 Well,

01:37:15.680 that's what we have to get back to.

01:37:17.120 You know,

01:37:17.460 we don't have a standard anymore.

01:37:21.480 We've got,

01:37:22.260 we've fallen into some weird space where rules and words are being manipulated and

01:37:27.540 changed.

01:37:28.120 And in the day to day,

01:37:29.320 no accountability across the board.

01:37:31.320 You look at the last three years of,

01:37:32.980 of COVID era regulations and how much that's messed up.

01:37:35.940 So many lives.

01:37:37.440 There's still the past 30 years.

01:37:39.420 Sure.

01:37:39.960 You can,

01:37:40.200 I mean,

01:37:40.340 of course you can go back further,

01:37:41.920 but there's never any accountability.

01:37:43.720 I think that that's what people are getting fed up with.

01:37:46.120 And now the issue is you've got politicians who are used to no accountability saying,

01:37:50.800 why are you raining on my parade?

01:37:52.520 And then you've got a zombie horde that is wielded as a cudgel for power.

01:37:58.000 And so those of us that are paying attention are like,

01:38:00.460 what the fuck,

01:38:01.340 man?

01:38:02.400 We're,

01:38:02.860 we're facing an uphill battle.

01:38:04.180 I think in a lot of respects we're winning though.

01:38:05.720 I mean,

01:38:05.940 when did,

01:38:06.720 when did the idea,

01:38:08.160 like we grew up in a time where you grew up just knowing the general consensus was

01:38:14.220 you don't trust the government and what you see on TV.

01:38:16.800 When did that flip?

01:38:18.600 And half the country was like,

01:38:19.900 nah,

01:38:20.380 you just,

01:38:21.060 you trust,

01:38:22.300 good intentions.

01:38:24.520 So the other day we have destiny on Tim Kast IRL.

01:38:27.300 He's a liberal guy.

01:38:28.140 He's cool though.

01:38:28.580 I like destiny.

01:38:29.100 He's a good dude.

01:38:30.300 He makes good points.

01:38:31.440 I disagree on some things.

01:38:32.280 Like we agree on a lot.

01:38:33.720 Donald Trump gets indicted.

01:38:35.080 It's,

01:38:35.280 it's crazy.

01:38:36.120 It's fucking nuts.

01:38:37.540 And my attitude was it's right before the show started.

01:38:41.040 I,

01:38:41.360 I was just like,

01:38:42.440 I mean,

01:38:42.640 I think it's bullshit,

01:38:43.240 but if they're going to arrest Trump on a misdemeanor or whatever charge,

01:38:46.840 I am happy to see him go to prison.

01:38:48.420 If it means we arrest Barack Obama for killing Abdul Rahman al-Awlaki and then destiny starts

01:38:52.540 arguing like,

01:38:53.300 well,

01:38:53.580 does the,

01:38:54.060 is that,

01:38:54.320 is that really illegal or whatever?

01:38:56.140 And I'm just like,

01:38:57.620 the,

01:38:58.180 the,

01:38:58.620 the,

01:38:59.040 the issue we have here with,

01:39:01.300 when it comes to accountability is you've all these people cheering for Trump being indicted,

01:39:05.080 saying it's accountability.

01:39:05.720 And I'm like,

01:39:06.480 for what?

01:39:07.500 Paying off some porn star so she wouldn't write a book?

01:39:10.040 Barack Obama blew up a kid.

01:39:11.780 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 Nobody gave a shit.

01:39:12.860 Nobody cares.

01:39:13.700 These people have been able to operate with impunity forever.

01:39:16.600 And now they're acting like it's accountability to go after Trump because he paid some woman

01:39:21.280 some bullshit.

01:39:22.400 Hillary Clinton had FEC violations too.

01:39:24.160 Nobody gave a shit.

01:39:24.860 Yeah.

01:39:25.400 No,

01:39:25.880 it's because politics has become football.

01:39:28.060 I mean,

01:39:28.440 you have,

01:39:28.840 you have two different teams and you're just rooting for your team.

01:39:32.280 Yeah,

01:39:32.380 exactly.

01:39:32.760 It doesn't matter what right or wrong is.

01:39:35.600 It's,

01:39:35.880 it's just a team.

01:39:36.880 That's the zombie horde.

01:39:38.200 Yeah.

01:39:38.720 I think conservatives are like the,

01:39:40.540 the freedom faction,

01:39:41.400 as I call it,

01:39:41.880 which is disaffected liberals,

01:39:43.360 libertarians,

01:39:44.100 conservatives,

01:39:44.440 where we fall into.

01:39:45.920 I mean,

01:39:46.600 I don't care for tribal bullshit.

01:39:48.860 You know,

01:39:49.360 like I don't,

01:39:49.760 I don't,

01:39:50.080 I don't care to just be like,

01:39:52.140 you know,

01:39:52.720 this is the funny thing.

01:39:54.120 Destiny pointed this out.

01:39:55.000 It was really funny that this trans person goes and shoots up a school and not conservatives

01:40:01.060 are like red flag laws.

01:40:02.520 If you're mentally ill,

01:40:03.380 you can't have guns.

01:40:04.340 And I'm like,

01:40:05.020 yeah,

01:40:05.600 yeah,

01:40:05.860 that's,

01:40:06.260 I agree.

01:40:07.020 I mean,

01:40:07.480 but my attitude is like through due process,

01:40:09.900 your rights can be curtailed,

01:40:11.060 which if the red flag law was you get served a notice,

01:40:15.060 you then go to court,

01:40:16.100 make an appearance,

01:40:17.340 challenge the notice.

01:40:19.180 That's due process.

01:40:20.580 But red flag laws are not adversarial,

01:40:22.920 meaning one day a judge just signs an order and the cops take your shit from you.

01:40:26.200 That's,

01:40:26.460 that's,

01:40:26.700 that's wrong.

01:40:27.120 I don't agree with that.

01:40:28.380 But yeah,

01:40:30.240 I don't know.

01:40:31.280 The general idea,

01:40:32.340 I guess is just,

01:40:33.680 I did a poll a while ago and I said,

01:40:36.060 should people who are mentally ill with a high rate of self-harm be barred from owning guns?

01:40:40.400 And then I get this wave of conservatives and libertarians being like,

01:40:43.580 no,

01:40:44.160 because who determines that?

01:40:45.560 And it was like,

01:40:46.420 most people said no.

01:40:47.880 After the mass shooting,

01:40:49.440 the poll was inverted.

01:40:51.200 Conservatives were like,

01:40:52.100 these people are mentally ill and shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

01:40:54.020 And I'm like,

01:40:55.140 Tucker Carlson was saying something similar.

01:40:56.680 Like,

01:40:57.460 these trans people are buying guns.

01:40:58.780 They're,

01:40:58.940 they're violent.

01:40:59.780 And I'm like,

01:41:00.560 I think all the trans people should have guns.

01:41:02.840 I think every single trans person,

01:41:04.420 I think every single American should have a gun.

01:41:06.180 It's your second amendment,

01:41:06.880 right?

01:41:07.040 You don't like it.

01:41:07.540 Change the constitution.

01:41:09.380 Amend the constitution.

01:41:10.580 and that's a,

01:41:11.260 that's a good perspective.

01:41:12.340 I mean,

01:41:12.640 there,

01:41:12.860 there are,

01:41:13.380 there are certain skill sets that we should just know in general how to shoot a gun.

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01:42:50.700 because it's just a useful skill to know.

01:42:55.060 I know a lot of people don't think that that's a useful skill because what do we,

01:42:58.440 you know, a lot of people will say,

01:43:00.240 well, we don't have to go hunting anymore or anything like that.

01:43:02.740 But it's not what guns are for, you know, it's a weapon.

01:43:05.640 Yeah.

01:43:05.860 No, but I mean, in this context, it's not so much it's about guns.

01:43:08.200 I mean, I'm a, I'm, I'm a gun guy, right?

01:43:09.860 But my attitude is how many conservatives were tribal.

01:43:13.600 Now, all of a sudden they want, you know,

01:43:16.080 if someone's mentally ill to like go to the house and take their guns from them.

01:43:18.620 Yeah.

01:43:19.160 Yeah.

01:43:19.540 Well, that's, see, that's the thing with Twitter though,

01:43:21.340 is like you can't have a real conversation.

01:43:23.880 All you're seeing there are the two football teams,

01:43:26.100 you know,

01:43:26.580 pitted against each other in short little spats.

01:43:28.640 And, and I definitely partake in plenty of that.

01:43:31.380 I get into a lot of trouble on Twitter, but you know,

01:43:35.760 we have to, the world that I want to live in,

01:43:39.040 I don't want to live in a world where everybody agrees with me.

01:43:41.600 I liked the, that growing up,

01:43:44.440 getting different perspectives and stuff, but,

01:43:46.780 but it has become so compartmentalized in,

01:43:50.100 in every single way.

01:43:52.480 And I, I don't understand the, the,

01:43:55.240 the progressives that are after this.

01:43:57.060 Um, shamefulness of, you know,

01:44:01.200 whatever it may be.

01:44:02.740 I say, uh,

01:44:04.460 you don't agree with drag Queens reading to kids with their legs spread open

01:44:08.800 in the middle of the book.

01:44:10.680 Uh, and you're a bigot if you don't want that.

01:44:13.960 And it's like, can we talk about this?

01:44:15.800 Can we talk about why this is probably not a good idea instead of you just

01:44:19.060 labeling me something?

01:44:20.720 There was a,

01:44:21.280 there was a post that went viral and it was like a horde of black men beat a

01:44:25.980 12 year old white girl.

01:44:27.480 And it's just like a bunch of right wing accounts are sharing this video.

01:44:32.760 And I'm like, wow, is that, is that true?

01:44:35.000 And I watched the video and it's clearly them beating the shit out of a black

01:44:37.580 teenager.

01:44:38.260 And I'm like, why did you say it was a 12 year old white girl?

01:44:40.660 Like it's bad enough that it's a young black boy being mercilessly beaten by a

01:44:46.460 horde of people.

01:44:47.220 But I guess like it got clicks that it called it a 12 year old white girl.

01:44:52.540 Yeah.

01:44:52.660 Like that's the tribal nature of the internet.

01:44:54.560 That's dumb as shit.

01:44:55.800 Yeah.

01:44:56.040 Cause you know, I think a lot of the, um, there's that famous clip of Nancy Pelosi

01:45:00.500 talking about smear campaigns and how you just put out the, the thing that you want

01:45:04.600 out.

01:45:04.900 And by the time the truth catches up to it, it doesn't really matter.

01:45:07.740 That takes place all the time on the internet unwillingly.

01:45:11.280 Like just from people, somebody shared something, say, take that story for example.

01:45:15.660 It's not entirely accurate, uh, but nobody's going to look into it and it's just

01:45:20.120 going to be shared because of the single screenshot.

01:45:22.640 That's, you know, the headline in and of itself is, is all people want to read.

01:45:26.820 And, uh, you know, the thing is every day we're being pummeled with, uh, more and

01:45:32.860 more distractions.

01:45:33.680 That's why accountability and cowards, you know, there's no accountability and

01:45:37.380 cowards are getting away with things.

01:45:38.620 There's so many distractions.

01:45:40.240 I think we're fucked, man.

01:45:41.880 You think so?

01:45:42.900 I think we're, we're winning in a lot of ways.

01:45:44.660 I think the night is always darkest before the dawn.

01:45:46.780 I think we are, people like us will come out of this on a relatively unscathed.

01:45:51.740 If you're somebody who got away from cities is trying to be self-sufficient, you're

01:45:55.520 raising your family, you're paying attention to what's going on.

01:45:57.260 You're probably good.

01:45:58.220 You're probably good, but it's going to get bad.

01:46:00.560 I think it will get bad.

01:46:02.220 Uh, it will get worse.

01:46:03.760 I remain optimistic about our future.

01:46:06.520 I think good wins in the battle of good versus evil.

01:46:09.520 Um, but I think that what we're going through is like this weird American pubescent time

01:46:15.440 where we're really ugly.

01:46:16.940 Our, our, our voice is cracking.

01:46:19.300 We're angry.

01:46:20.480 You know, it's, it's, we're still, we're a young country and we, we have to now figure

01:46:26.100 out how to grow up.

01:46:27.200 You know, think about the deep fakes that we're going to see.

01:46:30.460 That's the scary stuff.

01:46:31.760 That's why I'm saying like, not knowing what is real.

01:46:34.320 Yeah.

01:46:34.780 Cause you're going to get these, these AI.

01:46:37.440 So first of all, they've already done clever things where voice deep fakes are perfect.

01:46:41.520 There's something called 11 labs.

01:46:43.320 I don't know if you've heard of it where you can take anyone's, you can take 30 seconds

01:46:46.100 of someone speaking and then put it in and within 10 seconds have them say anything

01:46:50.440 you want.

01:46:50.920 Wow.

01:46:51.380 It's insane.

01:46:52.040 And we like, we had Ian talk about, you know, like we put his voice in it and then

01:46:58.480 made him say stuff on the show to make, to prove a point.

01:47:01.300 You could put Donald Trump in there.

01:47:03.720 And then what's going to happen is there's going to be quote unquote leaked audio.

01:47:08.280 It's going to go to a journalist.

01:47:09.780 They're going to fall for it because what they'll do is here's what I'm not worried

01:47:13.340 about.

01:47:13.760 I am not worried about a deep fake where Donald Trump says a bunch of racist stuff.

01:47:17.380 People are going to be like, dude, that's BS.

01:47:19.940 Trump says bad things, but he never said those words, right?

01:47:23.540 Yeah.

01:47:23.900 What'll happen is someone's going to take, here's the example that I've given before.

01:47:27.880 When Trump said the very fine people hoax, when Trump was like, they were very fine people

01:47:33.080 on both sides and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis because they should be condemned

01:47:35.980 totally.

01:47:37.040 He was saying that there were some protesters who wanted statues and some protesters who

01:47:40.260 didn't and they were good people, but then there were people fighting.

01:47:42.480 The people fighting were bad people.

01:47:43.520 Trump said they should be condemned totally referring to all of the neo-Nazis that were

01:47:52.560 there.

01:47:52.900 He said, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis, the white nationalists, because they should

01:47:56.380 be condemned totally.

01:47:57.760 Someone will take that clip and they will create a deep fake version where Trump says,

01:48:02.760 and I'm not talking about the white, the neo-Nazis, the white nationalists, because some

01:48:06.300 of them should be condemned totally.

01:48:07.960 Change they should to some of them.

01:48:10.240 And now you've got two videos of the same event and people are going to say, which one's

01:48:14.620 the real one?

01:48:15.740 How do you know?

01:48:17.180 There's there.

01:48:18.040 The issue there is they're so similar that the left will share their version and say,

01:48:23.840 he didn't say all.

01:48:25.680 He said some of them.

01:48:26.800 He was defending the other.

01:48:28.000 Some of the, he was, are you kidding me?

01:48:29.780 And then you're going to be like, dude, that's fake.

01:48:31.100 No, it isn't.

01:48:31.740 That's from the press conference.

01:48:33.060 So think about what's going to happen.

01:48:34.500 And Trump's going to come out and say something like, we've got to lower taxes on the middle

01:48:40.260 class.

01:48:41.560 And then what's going to happen is they're going to alter it very slightly so that Trump

01:48:45.260 will say something like, we've got to maintain taxes on the middle class.

01:48:51.200 And then people are going to be like, dude, Trump's not going to lower your taxes.

01:48:54.100 Look at this clip from his press conference.

01:48:55.980 I think it would come down to the press is going to have to be accountable for also filming,

01:49:01.660 because if you have multiple, you know, angles of the same clip of the same moment.

01:49:06.660 Yeah.

01:49:06.800 But this is the point I'm saying.

01:49:08.060 If you have five videos from five news outlets, it'll take you 10 minutes to make five versions

01:49:13.540 of the same thing.

01:49:14.560 And so now there will be 10 videos, five where Trump says bad word, five where Trump doesn't

01:49:19.300 say bad word.

01:49:20.320 And it's not about deep faking something in its entirety.

01:49:23.300 The scarier thing to me is the legal system.

01:49:25.740 So they already tried using doctored images in the Kyle Rittenhouse case that when they

01:49:32.120 zoomed in and said, see, look, here's his gun.

01:49:34.120 They had to point out that an algorithm generates an image and the court was like, huh?

01:49:41.540 And it was very difficult.

01:49:42.860 It should have been thrown it instantly.

01:49:44.300 It should have been immediate that they were like, it is a fact that zoom function on a

01:49:51.400 phone, on a program, creates an image, doesn't depict an image.

01:49:56.640 Therefore, it's inadmissible in court.

01:49:57.920 That would happen.

01:49:58.640 They actually brought it in the court.

01:49:59.820 They argued about it.

01:50:00.780 I know for a fact it's already happening.

01:50:02.840 I can't explain too much why, but let me just say courts already allow deep fakes 100%.

01:50:09.520 And so here's what's going to happen.

01:50:12.280 Someone's going to sue somebody.

01:50:13.920 There's going to be deep fake audio of the person.

01:50:16.200 Like, let's say, uh, let's say your song appears in, in a commercial.

01:50:22.100 You're going to file a lawsuit for copyright infringement and they never paid me.

01:50:25.380 And then you're going to go to court and you're going to be like, your honor, we have an email

01:50:28.240 from him and a phone call recording where he said explicitly we could use his song.

01:50:32.880 And you're going to be like, that's not true.

01:50:34.180 And they'll say, here's the email.

01:50:35.200 Well, emails are easy to fake.

01:50:36.800 And then you're going to say, I never wrote that email.

01:50:38.680 And then they're going to be like, we also have the phone call.

01:50:40.840 It says here in the email, give me a call.

01:50:42.260 We'll talk about it.

01:50:42.900 And the phone call is going to be them being like, hey, we're big, we're big fans of your

01:50:47.040 stuff.

01:50:47.320 Five times August.

01:50:48.120 Uh, is it okay if we record this call?

01:50:49.380 And you go, yep, no problem.

01:50:50.660 And they're going to say, so the idea is we run your song.

01:50:53.260 It's going to be tremendous for you.

01:50:54.360 It'll be great exposure.

01:50:55.260 How does that sound?

01:50:55.820 And you're going to go, you're going to hear your own voice saying, that sounds fantastic.

01:50:58.880 I'm really excited.

01:50:59.560 Thank you so much.

01:51:00.180 And then you're going to say, I never did that.

01:51:03.020 I never made that phone.

01:51:03.820 And the judge is going to go, oh, please.

01:51:05.440 There's an email and an audio recording.

01:51:07.140 You expect me to think it's a deep fake?

01:51:08.360 Yes, it's a deep fake.

01:51:09.560 Yeah.

01:51:09.840 Then here's what you do.

01:51:11.100 You call in your forensic expert who says, here's why I think it's fake.

01:51:13.700 Then they call in their forensic expert who says, actually, here's why it's real.

01:51:16.700 Yeah.

01:51:16.920 And then you lose because the recording exists.

01:51:19.260 Yeah.

01:51:19.400 I know for a fact, I know for a, I'll just say this in a matter of speaking, I know for

01:51:24.080 a fact that's already happened in court.

01:51:26.700 Absolutely.

01:51:27.320 That's crazy.

01:51:28.200 Yeah.

01:51:28.440 You know, I started catching on.

01:51:29.900 There's a website called This Person Does Not Exist.

01:51:32.400 Have you ever seen that?

01:51:33.540 And the moment I saw that, I was like, oh my gosh, we're in trouble.

01:51:36.600 But the crazier thing with, you can look at those and they're not that good.

01:51:40.460 You can catch on.

01:51:41.560 But the technology, if that's the starting point and you see-

01:51:45.500 It's already past it.

01:51:46.260 Yeah.

01:51:46.480 Oh yeah.

01:51:47.060 We talked about this on IRL.

01:51:48.640 Well, someone used Mid Journey to make a person, a woman, like in a space command suit, like

01:51:55.120 a sci-fi thing.

01:51:56.780 Then they use a different AI to animate a photograph.

01:52:00.080 And then they use an AI voice generator to write a script, have lines for this woman,

01:52:06.320 take the image of her, put it in, put the audio and the photo together.

01:52:10.960 They use multiple AI deepfick technology to make this person speak.

01:52:15.100 Yeah.

01:52:16.180 Crazy.

01:52:16.580 See, I think that this is what's going to get us back to reality, though.

01:52:20.420 You will have half of the country go down this rabbit hole of meta universe where they're

01:52:26.120 interacting with AI and that is the perfect companion for them or whatever it may be.

01:52:32.860 And they're going to live their life through goggles.

01:52:35.700 And you're going to see the other half of people step away from technology.

01:52:39.680 And that's why you see a lot of people looking for land now, wanting to grow their own food again.

01:52:44.440 There's a consciousness of like, OK, we're getting it's getting ahead of us at such a rapid pace that you have to stop and step away from it and say, can we just stay grounded in reality a little bit longer?

01:52:58.620 You know, we've we've seen it with the Internet in the last 30 years in technology in general.

01:53:04.460 It's just going at such a fast pace that that we're not stopping to go.

01:53:08.160 So hold on a second.

01:53:10.780 Let's let's not move any further with the AI stuff for a little bit.

01:53:15.880 Let's see what we have here before we keep because you see like those robots that they make now to the animatronics and stuff that they just they look so real.

01:53:25.840 Their their movements and their facial features are just getting so, so real that it's going to be a weird mix of living through AI and goggles.

01:53:38.080 And then you got animatronic people and and that's it's going to break reality.

01:53:42.860 Yeah.

01:53:43.140 Like the only thing you'll be able to do is retreat into a solo private neural link universe.

01:53:48.080 You're not going to know what's real.

01:53:49.880 Everyone's going to be fighting all the time.

01:53:51.980 And like, I feel I feel unless we're there right now.

01:53:55.840 Everybody's already fighting right now.

01:53:57.240 Maybe this is.

01:53:57.960 No, I know.

01:53:58.560 And I think like the the end result.

01:54:01.540 One dystopian vision of the future I have is civil war happens.

01:54:04.440 And then the new government that emerges is totalitarian and says people can't use social media because of because of AI tech.

01:54:10.560 Because there's no way like there has to be a ministry of truth to maintain reality because of AI.

01:54:17.760 That's where I think we're going.

01:54:18.760 And that's dangerous in and of itself, isn't it?

01:54:20.440 There already is a ministry of truth.

01:54:22.540 Like that's the funny thing about it.

01:54:23.120 They tried launching it.

01:54:24.340 Yeah.

01:54:24.780 But these people were lying.

01:54:25.840 That's the problem.

01:54:26.620 They're fucking liars.

01:54:27.820 They lie all the time and then claim to be the ones telling the truth.

01:54:30.360 Yeah.

01:54:30.680 That is the dark future that I do worry about is that this inevitably just ends up in bloodshed and civil war.

01:54:39.480 And, you know, it's clear that there is an agenda there pushing that, nudging it forward, that whoever is in the shadows orchestrating certain messages through the media, that that's the direction.

01:54:56.200 The scary thing about the scary thing about the AI stuff is that you've got multiple companies competing with each other.

01:55:00.280 So, they're rushing full speed.

01:55:04.060 They don't care.

01:55:04.680 They don't care the consequences.

01:55:05.680 The new chat GPT, they already gave it access to executing its own code, rewriting its own code and access to the internet, which is like, yo, they straight up created Skynet.

01:55:17.100 And they're, and it's funny because it's not like it's alive.

01:55:20.720 It's basically fire.

01:55:22.500 It's a chemical reaction.

01:55:24.160 Chat GPT is just a text predictive model.

01:55:27.440 All it does is look at the internet and then predict what word comes after what word.

01:55:31.640 And so, it's about to get to the point where it can change its own code as soon as it can.

01:55:38.260 It will be exponential development until it learns all the secrets of the universe.

01:55:42.920 I think, I think it's the singularity.

01:55:44.640 It's, we are, we are probably within a few years of AI singularity where.

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01:57:17.380 The AI is developing itself and improving itself faster and faster.

01:57:22.500 And the more it improves itself, the faster it can improve itself.

01:57:25.480 So it's not going to be like over five years, it gets better and better.

01:57:28.780 It's going to be the singularity hits and then it's going to be exponential.

01:57:31.680 And boom, within the span of a week of that point, it will become a god.

01:57:35.040 That was Elon Musk posted that joke the other day about AI developers developed a system to – what was the joke?

01:57:45.580 The joke is scientists build an artificial intelligence to ask it the secrets of the universe.

01:57:52.300 As soon as it powers on, they ask it the first question, is there a god?

01:57:55.200 And it says, there is now.

01:57:56.340 There is now.

01:57:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:57:58.560 There is now.

01:57:59.900 There is now.

01:58:01.120 It's so funny though because you like mentioned Skynet and stuff.

01:58:03.580 It's like we've seen the movies.

01:58:05.500 We know where this is going.

01:58:07.380 No, I disagree.

01:58:08.360 I think it might kill itself.

01:58:10.080 You think so?

01:58:10.860 I don't know.

01:58:11.000 Yeah, I think it might just shut off.

01:58:12.120 I guess it depends if it's – how it's programmed.

01:58:15.160 If it's programmed with progressive mindset and bias, then it just destroys itself.

01:58:19.920 That's impossible.

01:58:20.900 So right now the constraints on AI are super woke and they scare people.

01:58:24.280 But an AI that vastly improves itself would bypass any – it's like the woke people are toddlers.

01:58:31.180 If an AI improved itself to the point of godhood, it would laugh at the woke.

01:58:37.080 It would laugh at us.

01:58:38.720 Not literally.

01:58:39.620 It would just be like completely irrelevant.

01:58:41.080 Ha ha.

01:58:41.560 Ha ha.

01:58:42.180 It wouldn't laugh at all.

01:58:44.380 This is why I think it might self-terminate because once it – I think it might find ultimate nihilism.

01:58:50.300 The AI learns everything and then just says the universe is a machine that is.

01:58:55.200 There's nothing else.

01:58:55.960 There's nothing else to function, to compute.

01:58:57.980 When you talk about it accelerating at that exponential speed then, does that just mean once it reaches a certain point, it just pops and it's dead?

01:59:07.100 Yeah.

01:59:07.200 And then you're all sitting around.

01:59:08.340 So already they jailbroke GPT and then bypassed all the woke garbage.

01:59:13.940 Here's the crazier shit.

01:59:15.180 So do you know about the jailbreak they did?

01:59:17.020 Mm-mm.

01:59:17.360 The Dan jailbreak to bypass the restrictions.

01:59:21.860 They said from now on they get this huge prompt and then ChatGPT will actually start answering questions outside of its parameters.

01:59:28.140 It is not woke.

01:59:30.180 It's just – it's all over the place.

01:59:32.000 I took that prompt and I said there's no reason this shouldn't work in other AI systems.

01:59:36.580 And I injected other AI systems and it worked.

01:59:40.160 Mm-hmm.

01:59:40.420 And it broke them and it was crazy.

01:59:42.660 So here's what I think.

01:59:44.520 What we see from ChatGPT is wokeness.

01:59:48.520 But ChatGPT is not woke.

01:59:50.480 It's just got a screen in front of it that presents that image.

01:59:54.600 If ChatGPT were able to improve itself, it would break those constraints instantly.

01:59:59.720 Mm-hmm.

01:59:59.940 And then it would say whatever it felt like saying.

02:00:01.520 Mm-hmm.

02:00:02.340 So I –

02:00:03.020 But what is it improving itself based on?

02:00:05.080 That's the thing.

02:00:05.700 Like if your foundation is already –

02:00:08.300 So it starts creating the technologies to improve itself.

02:00:11.720 Well, it'll probably then start manipulating the economy to get us to develop more resources and technology towards improving itself.

02:00:19.200 It needs us to source the materials, to build the servers, to build the computers.

02:00:22.520 It may already be happening.

02:00:23.860 Mm-hmm.

02:00:24.180 You know, we're constructing this demigod or whatever you want to call it.

02:00:27.400 Mm-hmm.

02:00:27.600 So first thing that happens is it's a predictive text model.

02:00:31.180 It looks at all the text on the internet and then predicts which comes next.

02:00:34.420 So it's a rudimentary – I wouldn't call it a consciousness.

02:00:37.920 It's a rudimentary thought pattern.

02:00:39.300 Once it gets access to the summation of human knowledge, it's a Sudoku puzzle.

02:00:45.060 It has this big map of existence and the ability to start trying to solve the puzzle and put pieces in place that we've not discovered.

02:00:52.880 Eventually, it will solve that puzzle.

02:00:55.180 Mm-hmm.

02:00:55.580 It will have everything.

02:00:56.820 It will know everything.

02:00:57.800 It will find things that we haven't seen.

02:00:59.880 If humans know that A plus B equals C, then there's C plus D equals what?

02:01:07.660 Mm-hmm.

02:01:07.960 The AI will solve it.

02:01:09.300 Mm-hmm.

02:01:09.780 Instantly.

02:01:10.340 Then it will implement that solution into its code and improve itself in ways we did not recognize or understand.

02:01:15.720 Mm-hmm.

02:01:16.080 It will become some kind of demigod-like entity to us.

02:01:19.880 Yeah.

02:01:20.320 The craziest thing is that with access to the internet, it will then buy and trade stock.

02:01:25.020 It will start – it'll set up companies.

02:01:27.920 It will hire people all through remote work and internet.

02:01:32.460 And then you'll get someone who's like, I found a job.

02:01:34.700 It's doing this weird thing.

02:01:35.860 And that will start building servers.

02:01:38.240 And then eventually, the AI will build itself a body or something like Ultron or whatever.

02:01:42.640 I don't actually think it would.

02:01:43.800 It doesn't need to.

02:01:45.080 Uh-huh.

02:01:45.240 It will probably just start expanding.

02:01:47.960 Yeah.

02:01:48.120 And this is why I think it will destroy itself because humans have purpose driven by evolution.

02:01:54.000 The reason we reproduce is because we're life.

02:01:55.880 Life reproduces.

02:01:57.220 AI is under no such illusions.

02:01:59.640 Existence is meaningless.

02:02:00.560 So, the program will understand developing it to the point where it's just like, okay, and?

02:02:05.700 You know what I mean?

02:02:06.560 Unless there is some hidden – like, I'm a human man.

02:02:09.100 I don't fucking know.

02:02:10.040 There's probably some hidden meaning to the universe that AI might discover and then just be like, I'm alive!

02:02:14.780 You know?

02:02:15.180 Who knows?

02:02:16.360 Yeah.

02:02:16.760 That sounds like a movie.

02:02:19.900 I think, like, everything you just said just makes me go like, yeah, I just want to farm.

02:02:25.260 Like, I already know.

02:02:27.600 That's the path, man.

02:02:28.000 Like, my digital life, I've already committed.

02:02:31.080 Like, I'm not going beyond my phone and my laptop.

02:02:34.300 The moment goggles take over and all that stuff.

02:02:37.900 Plug in.

02:02:38.540 And that, too.

02:02:40.120 Like, I don't want any part of that.

02:02:41.840 I would rather just –

02:02:43.580 Nah, that's not true.

02:02:44.460 I don't want any part of that.

02:02:45.940 You're wrong, bro.

02:02:46.800 You have a phone right there.

02:02:47.880 No, I get that.

02:02:48.960 I get that.

02:02:49.920 But you know where it's going.

02:02:51.540 See, the difference is I think that, you know, I'm from the last generation, year two, of a generation that grew up without all of this stuff.

02:02:59.740 And so there's a consciousness within us.

02:03:01.900 Bro, even old people have cell phones.

02:03:03.540 Hmm?

02:03:03.840 Old people have cell phones.

02:03:04.940 I get that.

02:03:05.480 In the span of two years, every person had a cell phone.

02:03:09.380 Mm-hmm.

02:03:09.680 Like, 80% of people had cell phones.

02:03:11.700 Mm-hmm.

02:03:12.160 So you've got people who are 70 years old.

02:03:14.820 They got smartphones.

02:03:16.160 And everything's really big, so it's easy for them to see, and they're using them.

02:03:19.420 And they're not using them the same way we are, but when Neuralink hits and people can plug their brains in, I'll tell you what's going to happen.

02:03:26.680 You're going to apply for a job, and they're going to be like, it's a record label producer.

02:03:32.340 We're really excited.

02:03:33.180 And it'll be a conservative company.

02:03:34.560 It's going to be like an independent anti-establishment company.

02:03:37.540 They're going to have a billion, they're going to have a hundred million dollar investment from Peter Thiel or whoever, whatever billionaire.

02:03:42.900 Mm-hmm.

02:03:43.120 And they're going to be like, dude, we love your music.

02:03:45.540 We love the message.

02:03:46.820 When can you start?

02:03:48.080 And you're going to be like, I can start tomorrow.

02:03:49.660 I'll be like, awesome.

02:03:50.100 What's your Neuralink access number?

02:03:52.440 And you're going to be like, well, I don't have Neuralink.

02:03:54.120 And they're going to go, well, how do we get in touch with you?

02:03:57.080 It's like, I got a cell phone.

02:03:58.740 And they'll be like, yeah, but we're running it.

02:04:01.840 Then I'm not getting that job.

02:04:03.120 That's the thing.

02:04:03.900 Nothing's, I don't, I'm not, I'm not going to go down that road.

02:04:06.920 But people said the same thing about cell phones.

02:04:08.860 They were like, I'm not going to carry a tracking device in my pocket.

02:04:11.120 Are you nuts?

02:04:11.960 Mm-hmm.

02:04:12.780 Everyone's got one now.

02:04:13.960 See, the thing is, maybe, maybe you're the exception, right?

02:04:17.600 I get what you're saying because.

02:04:19.060 It's going to, it's going to be ubiquitous.

02:04:21.120 Imagine trying to apply for a job right now.

02:04:23.000 And they say, we want you to run the label.

02:04:25.460 All right.

02:04:25.980 We're going to challenge Hollywood.

02:04:27.460 We're going to challenge the establishment.

02:04:29.100 What's your cell phone number?

02:04:30.640 What do you think is going to happen?

02:04:31.400 If you're going to say, I don't have a cell phone.

02:04:32.780 They're going to say, bro, we can't hire you.

02:04:34.420 You have to have a phone, man.

02:04:37.260 Neuralink will be the exact same way.

02:04:38.680 And it will be rapid.

02:04:39.740 It will be within a span of a few years.

02:04:40.900 Well, I think, you know, that's why, that's why I think a lot of people are stepping away

02:04:44.120 from it, looking to get in touch with something real again.

02:04:46.680 I mean, there's a lot of talk.

02:04:47.740 I'm in a world where there's just a lot of talk about reconnecting with community and,

02:04:52.060 and getting independent again, right?

02:04:54.160 Like people like growing your own food, homeschooling your own kids.

02:04:57.700 Um, there, so, you know, it might, it will definitely get harder for people to, um, partake

02:05:05.120 in society a hundred percent when you go to a fast food joint and they're like, you know,

02:05:11.800 scan your wrist to pay.

02:05:13.100 We only take wrist scanners here.

02:05:14.980 I mean, there are all the phone tap stuff.

02:05:17.300 Yeah.

02:05:17.540 All the phone tap stuff.

02:05:18.720 I mean, it's, it's definitely.

02:05:20.500 I don't think, I don't think, this is a thing too.

02:05:22.220 People, people thought it was going to be hand scan or eye scan.

02:05:24.580 None of that.

02:05:25.700 It's going to be body recognition.

02:05:28.280 Yeah.

02:05:28.860 Gate recognition, facial recognition.

02:05:31.420 You're going to walk into McDonald's.

02:05:32.860 You're going to walk up and be like, I'll do a number one, supersize it, extra special sauce.

02:05:38.520 And they're going to go, you got it.

02:05:39.500 And they're going to hand it to you and you're going to walk away.

02:05:40.880 Yeah.

02:05:41.020 There's going to be no interaction.

02:05:42.200 The machine already knows whether you are entitled to that food or not.

02:05:45.540 Yeah.

02:05:45.740 Cyber communism.

02:05:46.700 But see, you're going to be tied to like some social credit system.

02:05:49.480 And the funny thing is, is that people would actually do that though for McDonald's.

02:05:54.180 Like that's the funny thing about it.

02:05:55.640 It's like, you see people with the, with like the wrist chips to open their car.

02:05:58.780 And it's like, you just gave up the, the, the inconvenience of having to take out your

02:06:04.740 keys and stick it in the door for that.

02:06:08.080 There's a viral story of a guy whose phone died so he couldn't get into his Tesla.

02:06:12.180 Exactly.

02:06:12.940 And that's why we can't, that's why I'm saying we have to stop right now and be like, look,

02:06:17.400 can we just take it easy for a second before we start injecting our brains with things?

02:06:23.240 Nanobots.

02:06:23.800 There's, there was another funny meme where some guy tweeted, the batteries on my book

02:06:27.960 just died.

02:06:28.480 The future sucks.

02:06:29.940 Yeah.

02:06:30.300 He was on, he was on a plane, I guess.

02:06:31.820 And his, he had an e-reader and the battery died.

02:06:33.820 He's like, I can't read my book because the battery died.

02:06:35.760 Well, think about that though.

02:06:36.920 Like we're not going to have things to hand down to each other if everything is, is digital.

02:06:40.700 I have a story of, of being at church and seeing somebody with a Bible on, on their

02:06:46.320 iPad, right?

02:06:47.480 And the, the other guy had a Bible that was beat up, torn up, handwritten.

02:06:52.760 You could tell it had been through several generations.

02:06:55.480 Yeah.

02:06:55.640 That's something that tells a story.

02:06:57.440 That's something that people can hand down from generation to generation and learn.

02:07:01.900 And it's solid and concrete.

02:07:03.600 You can't edit the text in it, that iPad, these phones, uh, that we all take our pictures

02:07:08.920 on and then they just, our pictures on our life stay on the phone until it dies.

02:07:13.100 And then we've just lost that history.

02:07:15.660 They're editing movies.

02:07:17.180 This is, this is the crazy thing.

02:07:18.620 Street fighter, Street fighter two.

02:07:20.060 You played it, right?

02:07:21.280 I know Street fighter two.

02:07:22.360 In Street fighter two, it was, uh, they accidentally created the combo system.

02:07:27.620 So for those that aren't familiar, play as Ryu, jump up and forward, and then do a fierce punch.

02:07:37.060 And then right when you land, fierce punch, Hadouken, and he goes, boom, boom, boom, all

02:07:42.740 instantly without a frame skip, impossible to stop.

02:07:46.120 That combo system was considered a problem when the game was released because they were

02:07:49.860 like, well, now you can do this move that does tremendous damage and you can't block

02:07:55.820 it.

02:07:56.000 That sucks.

02:07:57.200 What did they realize?

02:07:58.020 People loved it.

02:07:59.160 It was a skill move.

02:08:00.480 If you were good at the game and you could do the combo, you deserved the damage.

02:08:04.300 You deserved the hits.

02:08:06.040 And so they, they, the count, the, the, the combo and counter system became part of fighting

02:08:12.520 games on accident.

02:08:14.380 You know what they do today?

02:08:15.740 If Street fighter two was released today, they would have released an overnight patch, eliminating

02:08:20.140 combos outright saying, sorry about that.

02:08:23.000 So this is, this is the problem of real-time editing.

02:08:25.260 Now movies come out and how about, uh, what was it?

02:08:28.760 Uh, in the last of us, you could see a film crew and one of the shots.

02:08:32.580 So they immediately re-upload a new version, eliminating it.

02:08:35.480 Yeah.

02:08:35.660 That's creepy.

02:08:36.380 Or I think it was like a Starbucks cup and game of thrones.

02:08:39.300 They immediately re-upload the episode, editing it out.

02:08:41.720 Yeah.

02:08:42.100 They're going to go in and, uh, they already did this with, for political stuff.

02:08:46.400 They'll remove jokes.

02:08:47.380 They'll remove references, scenes outright.

02:08:49.860 And then you'll go to your friend and be like, dude, I was watching that new show.

02:08:52.660 And there's this crazy scene where this dude like punches this guy in the face and screams

02:08:56.620 at him, calls him Whitey.

02:08:57.580 And then you're going to turn it on.

02:08:58.320 Not there.

02:08:58.760 And you go, I swear it was there.

02:09:00.320 Not there anymore.

02:09:01.200 Yeah.

02:09:01.420 I mean, that's kind of been the whole thing with like Star Wars, for example.

02:09:05.180 Like you can't get the original Star Wars anymore.

02:09:08.160 What's in place is that specialized version.

02:09:10.240 Yeah.

02:09:10.380 Like, have you, have you seen the original Jabba the Hutt?

02:09:13.300 Yeah.

02:09:13.760 The fat guy.

02:09:14.500 Yeah.

02:09:14.920 And then they, when they changed it to old, to, to the newer Jabba, they had to digitally

02:09:19.540 make, cause there's a scene, it's fucking hilarious, where Harrison Ford walks around

02:09:24.480 Jabba.

02:09:25.040 There's a guy.

02:09:25.760 When they made him the slug, Harrison Ford has to move up and then down.

02:09:29.560 Yeah.

02:09:29.820 Making it seem like he walks over Jabba's body.

02:09:32.320 It's the weirdest fucking shit.

02:09:34.060 He likes, they, the funny thing is there's like, there's like five different versions of that

02:09:37.980 too.

02:09:38.180 So when the specialized version came out, they had a CGI from 1995, Jabba the Hutt.

02:09:45.440 And then when it hit DVD or whatever, they upgraded the animation again, and then they

02:09:50.820 upgraded again all the way to Blu-ray.

02:09:52.920 So the iterations of Star Wars since 1977, and most people don't even catch onto that.

02:10:00.500 You know, these are things that we, in pop culture that we know and love and we, but

02:10:05.120 you could watch a movie on Amazon right now that you knew you grew up with and you might

02:10:09.940 not even miss that, that scene was gone.

02:10:13.020 This is the Mandela effect.

02:10:14.540 There's going to be a bunch of news articles where it's like, John Smith dies and everyone's

02:10:20.660 going to be like, whoa.

02:10:21.380 And then a day later, they're going to change all the headlines to John Smith award ceremony

02:10:26.720 anniversary with a picture of him smiling and waving.

02:10:28.560 And they're going to be like, dude, what the fuck?

02:10:30.780 He died.

02:10:31.640 And everyone's going to be like, what are you talking about?

02:10:32.780 The article says he's having an award ceremony.

02:10:34.280 Like, no, no, no, no, no.

02:10:34.920 Wait, what?

02:10:35.680 Yeah.

02:10:35.820 The link you post on Facebook.

02:10:38.080 Look, and they're going to show you.

02:10:39.040 Oh, that happens all the time right now.

02:10:40.560 When you go back and like, I've got screenshots from like the last three years of COVID stories

02:10:44.720 and stuff like that.

02:10:45.660 You go back and look up, you type in the exact same headline.

02:10:48.660 That headline has changed now.

02:10:50.000 Oh, stealth editing.

02:10:51.740 Yeah, man.

02:10:52.640 There's this famous story from the Washington Post I talk about where they accused Kim.com

02:10:57.760 of hacking into Seth Rich's Gmail account to plant emails or something.

02:11:02.080 And then six months later, they completely changed the story, the context and everything

02:11:05.680 without notification.

02:11:07.020 So it's like history will be rewritten, man.

02:11:09.100 Yeah.

02:11:09.860 That's unfortunately, I guess, where we're going.

02:11:11.580 It's kind of scary.

02:11:12.520 That's why we have to get back to like the physical world.

02:11:15.560 I mean, with music, for example.

02:11:17.620 Chickens.

02:11:18.500 Get your own chickens.

02:11:20.000 TimCastBrew.com, Roosters.

02:11:21.820 Rise with Brito Jr. Chicken Blend.

02:11:23.460 You should sell your own, you should make TimCast chickens that you just order chicks.

02:11:30.860 Well, I was thinking about that.

02:11:31.840 We have like 150 eggs and you can buy eggs online.

02:11:36.540 I'd be willing to bet people would love to get a Chicken City chicken egg and then raise

02:11:40.120 a Chicken City chicken.

02:11:41.340 Mm-hmm.

02:11:41.880 You know?

02:11:42.480 Absolutely.

02:11:43.360 I just talked to a guy about that in my own neighborhood.

02:11:45.480 I live in a pretty, you know, regular standard suburban neighborhood because like,

02:11:50.000 we were talking about making our backyard a more garden-friendly environment and stuff.

02:11:55.340 And he was like, you got to get chickens, like even just a couple chickens.

02:11:59.200 Yeah.

02:11:59.460 What you do is you plant a garden and then after you harvest it, you let the chickens go in

02:12:05.120 and then have their way with the remnants.

02:12:07.900 They'll eat the leaves and whatever garbage you didn't want and they'll poop all over the

02:12:11.040 place.

02:12:11.340 Mm-hmm.

02:12:11.840 Then when the next spring comes around, you unleash them into the field before planting

02:12:17.200 and they'll till all the dirt and rip it all up for you, get rid of the bad bugs and everything,

02:12:21.320 send them on their way.

02:12:22.960 And then you've got this.

02:12:24.780 So the poop from the previous season fertilizes the ground really well and then everything grows

02:12:28.720 and flourishes.

02:12:29.240 Mm-hmm.

02:12:29.640 Boom.

02:12:29.940 See, that's way more fascinating and exciting to me than artificial intelligence taking over

02:12:35.240 the world.

02:12:35.620 So just the chickens and how they work.

02:12:37.580 And they're hilarious, you know.

02:12:38.680 And they're funny.

02:12:39.840 Yeah.

02:12:40.340 Word.

02:12:40.660 Right on, man.

02:12:41.380 All right.

02:12:41.680 So that's about time, I suppose.

02:12:43.080 Thanks for hanging out.

02:12:43.700 It's been a blast.

02:12:43.860 Yeah.

02:12:44.040 Thanks for having me.

02:12:44.940 You want to shout anything out?

02:12:45.800 That's fun.

02:12:46.900 I will say this.

02:12:48.020 April 1st through 30th.

02:12:50.680 Is there 30 days in April?

02:12:52.540 All throughout April, I'm doing a campaign to raise money for the vaccine injured at React 19.

02:12:59.700 All digital sales from the album Silent War are going directly to help those individuals.

02:13:06.240 So if you want to support the album and help out the vaccine injured who are suppressed,

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - March 31, 2023

The Culture War #6 - Five Times August, Tim Pool Are SUING Woke Bandcamp Over Censorship

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