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00:00:57.060 How's it going, everybody? Welcome to the Culture War Podcast. We're going to have a debate on

00:01:02.220 the nature of men and women, as well as trad life and trad wives and whatever that means, I suppose.

00:01:09.140 So this is obviously coming from these ongoing debates on YouTube and Twitter between different

00:01:14.380 views of the role of women in society. And we did have like a little conversation about this a

00:01:18.400 couple weeks ago, but now we have a larger debate going on. But we'll just start from the left and

00:01:24.100 go to the right if you would like to introduce yourself. Hi, I'm Isabella Moody. I tend to just

00:01:28.380 post things online about political content. And then I also, I'm not really a trad wife,

00:01:33.000 but I kind of talk about those sort of things. I don't think you can actually be a trad wife in

00:01:36.160 modern day, but yeah, excited to be here. Yeah, I'm Rachel. Do you want to grab the mic?

00:01:40.340 Yeah. I'm Rachel Wilson. And I'm the author of Occult Feminism, The Secret History of Women's

00:01:46.300 Liberation. That's kind of my area of specialty. And I have a YouTube channel and glad to be here

00:01:52.840 today. Right on. Thanks for coming. Hi, I'm Lauren Chen. I'm a Blaze TV host and TPUSA contributor.

00:01:59.460 And I'm a mom and a wife. I'm not really sure what trad means now. Maybe actually that's one of the

00:02:04.640 things you can talk about, like what exactly that label applies to. But yeah, excited to talk about

00:02:10.240 all these things with these people. Hi, guys. I'm Pearl. I have the YouTube channel,

00:02:15.080 Just Pearly Things. I interviewed over a thousand women in London. I used to have a show called The

00:02:19.380 Pregame where we would talk about culture, relationships. I don't do that. Now I just do

00:02:24.160 Pearl Daily, which is like a political commentary. We do call-ins. And I'm also working on a divorce

00:02:28.840 documentary. Yeah, that's it. All right. Well, we got Callum's pressing the buttons today.

00:02:35.680 How's it going? Yeah, I was muted. What's up, guys? This should be a fun one. Let's get started.

00:02:40.160 Well, you know, obviously the big question that everyone's trying to figure out is women. Good?

00:02:43.760 Bad? I don't know. What do you got? Do you mean like ontologically? I'm kidding. You go on Twitter

00:02:53.080 and I see tons of people commenting on all the posts from you guys. And there's a bunch of guys that'll

00:02:57.300 be like, this is what women do. Women are this. Women are that. And then you have like trad guys

00:03:01.980 being like, women are beautiful and they have children and they deserve our respect. Then you

00:03:05.480 have white knights and they're like, women can never do anything wrong. Yeah. So what's going on?

00:03:09.980 What's the contentious issue? Do we start with like the role of women? Lauren, your view, Pearl,

00:03:17.340 your view. I know that this was, there's a lot of conversation on X. Sure. Well, I mean,

00:03:22.040 just to get started. So I, I don't disagree with everything Pearl says, but I feel like

00:03:28.460 Pearl is someone who, I mean, I want to hear your thoughts on this. I feel like you kind

00:03:32.600 of enrage bait people with your posts because you'll post something really like a super hot

00:03:37.600 take on, on Twitter. And then like, you'll make a video about it. And the video in turn

00:03:41.900 is a lot more nuanced, a lot more, I guess, rational. Um, so sometimes I feel like I'm, I'm trying

00:03:49.680 to, I'm struggling to see like what your actual views are versus maybe what gets the most traction

00:03:55.020 on X. So I'm excited for this, uh, to have a conversation about it. But I guess the role

00:04:00.480 of women in society is, you know, to be mothers, to be wise, to support their families, how exactly

00:04:06.760 that looks is going to differ from people to people. That's one of the reasons why I don't

00:04:11.160 necessarily associate with the trad movement. Um, I feel like trad refers to specifically almost the,

00:04:19.680 glamorization and in some ways fetishization of maybe like rural 1850s, middle America,

00:04:26.380 at least on like what I see on Tik TOK. Um, whereas, you know, I'm just, uh, a mom who works

00:04:32.280 part-time from home and is basically trying to do whatever I can to help support my family.

00:04:38.700 Well, I would say there's character limits on X. So, I mean, you're not going to get a full

00:04:43.100 opinion with like, I don't know, is it 60 characters, but I don't know what tweets are

00:04:49.920 you talking about? And I have like 18,000, so I don't know.

00:04:56.100 Well, we actually like, I do, I, I, I wanted to be specific here because I, I did pull some of the

00:05:01.400 ones up. I sent them to you. I didn't want to like ambush you or surprise you or anything like

00:05:05.580 that. Um, let's see. And the role of women in society. Sorry. I was thinking what the second

00:05:11.440 question was. Well, I think it depends like what, what do we want it to be or what is it now?

00:05:16.160 Right. And I think right now it's like, we're not really doing much. We're not really having kids.

00:05:21.060 We're not really contributing to the economy when you look at output. Um, so it's like,

00:05:27.680 what do we want it to be or what is it? Cause I wouldn't say women are doing what you described now.

00:05:32.720 Okay. Well, one of the things that, um, like I spoke recently actually with, uh, Rachel's husband,

00:05:39.300 Andrew, and one of the, uh, tweets that I mentioned that I thought was kind of strange coming from you

00:05:44.560 was that basically you said evil comes from women. Uh, you know, Andrew and his interpretation,

00:05:49.660 he made a very, like very rational, very nuanced. Actually, this is what she means is, is it not true

00:05:55.400 that there is a, a lower moral bar for women, blah, blah, blah. And it like Andrew smart guy made a lot

00:06:00.640 of sense. That's not what the tweet was. And kind of funnily enough, uh, you, you tweeted out later

00:06:06.440 to clarify, Lauren, yes, evil does come from women. I would just look at every problem in society.

00:06:13.200 It all comes from women to be fair. I just, I just realized this the other day, but did you know

00:06:17.560 that Hitler was made by a woman? Well, it's like, you look at, you look at the homeless. Most of them

00:06:24.300 come from single mother homes. You look at school shooters. Most of them come from single mother

00:06:27.840 homes. You look at criminals, rapists. Most of them come from single mother homes. Um,

00:06:32.860 you look at what happens when women, what happens when women get power. So when men get power,

00:06:37.220 they build societies, they do awesome things. When women get power, we're just not very good

00:06:41.880 with it. I just brought Hitler. I mean, I kind of feel like there's a lot of bad dudes, you know?

00:06:46.400 Well, yeah, but there, there's also bad Queens, right? If you look at Queens, the last 500 years,

00:06:50.400 women are more likely to wage war. Women are way more violent with power. And we see that in society.

00:06:55.060 Look at what women are doing in the court system today. What is more evil than breaking up a family

00:06:59.440 and women do that all the time. So, so yeah, I would say most problems in society come from women.

00:07:06.920 So that's interesting because I watched your, uh, conversation with Michael Knowles,

00:07:10.800 which I thought was really interesting. And in it, you were very adamant that people need to take

00:07:15.300 responsibility for their own actions. So when it relates to women, it's not really an excuse to say,

00:07:19.660 oh, well, feminism brainwashed me. You still made the decision to sleep around. You still made the

00:07:23.800 decision to get an abortion. Yeah. I think if you get an abortion, you're responsible. Okay. Right.

00:07:28.400 Isn't, shouldn't we have that same standard when it comes to the rapist, the men, you made a decision,

00:07:33.680 you're responsible. It's not really like, oh, but my single mother, like you, many, many people have.

00:07:38.800 And they are responsible. They go to jail for it, but you have to look at their significant

00:07:43.300 differences between single mother and single father homes. And I can't help, but notice that all

00:07:48.460 of the men that seem to lack morals, they were raised by a woman. Right. But is, is the answer

00:07:55.000 then that evil comes from women? We are kind of leaving out the fact that, yeah, a man actually

00:08:00.240 left the, the, the, the parent or his family in that situation. There are some situations where

00:08:05.760 a woman doesn't want the man there, but. Most of the time men don't leave. Women are the ones that

00:08:10.160 overwhelmingly leave. And if you really dig it, if you actually do the work and interview men that are,

00:08:14.680 are the known to be like deadbeat dads, most of the deadbeat dads don't really exist.

00:08:19.620 I mean, I don't, they're exceptions. They're not the rule. So. And if you actually do the work and

00:08:23.840 interview these guys, there's men that have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting for

00:08:27.660 their kids. And unfortunately we're in a society where women can claim abuse. You know, they can say

00:08:33.200 he emotionally abused me and not see his kid for years. What's the, real quick, what's the stat? I know

00:08:38.860 that there's stats on women initiating divorce more, but how do we say that, you know, a fatherlessness

00:08:45.740 is predominantly driven by women? Is that, is that what you were saying?

00:08:49.220 Yeah. Because women are choosing the leave and the number one reason is irreconcilable differences.

00:08:53.300 But that's when you're talking about, that's when you're talking about single mothers who are a result

00:08:56.840 of divorce. If we're looking at single mothers who were never actually married, it's not, it's a very

00:09:02.720 different group of people.

00:09:04.000 But the whole, but the whole point is women have all the power here. We have a million choice. You

00:09:07.420 get to choose whether or not you get pregnant. Abortion's legal. So you're, we are a hundred

00:09:12.000 percent in control of who's born. So there's no, there is zero excuse to make a kid with a guy

00:09:16.820 that's not going to stick around. Zero excuse. I mean, I got zero.

00:09:20.460 I would also say there's zero excuse for a guy to not stick around.

00:09:23.500 Well, but the issue you're getting is.

00:09:25.240 Like, cause you're basically saying, but what about the women though, when we're talking about

00:09:28.320 the man leaving?

00:09:28.940 But the difference is men cannot opt out of fatherhood. Women can opt out of motherhood.

00:09:32.740 And I think we would both agree that you should not be able to opt out of motherhood.

00:09:36.160 But we can. And it's not, it's not my point, but should whatever. Like abortion's legal.

00:09:41.020 It's here to stay. Unfortunately, I don't say this cause I'm happy about it, but I mean,

00:09:45.140 in the UK they're introducing a law where they want to make it legal up to birth. So abortion

00:09:49.340 is legal. And right now men are not able to opt out of fatherhood. Only women are.

00:09:54.640 Only socially, not physically. Women in the United States overwhelmingly have the right

00:10:00.100 to abort or are allowed to abort. Men don't have any say whatsoever. But socially, I looked

00:10:07.560 it up about, it says, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, 20.2% of fathers, about 7 million

00:10:11.260 are absent dads. They don't live with their minor children.

00:10:14.740 Right, but why?

00:10:15.920 Right, right. So this debt doesn't literally mean that 20% of fathers are like getting up

00:10:19.800 and saying, later kid, I'm going to buy scratchers and then disappearing. But my point

00:10:23.620 was just that of this, you have men who are like, okay, you're having a kid. I'm leaving.

00:10:27.700 You'll never see me again.

00:10:29.260 Well, but you don't understand the circumstances because a lot of times women make men dads

00:10:34.200 that don't want to be. They're like, this is something casual. This is, you know, situations

00:10:38.080 hips are really common. They know that man will never commit to them and yet they still make

00:10:41.740 the choice to have his kid. I think in those situations, if we can legally opt out of motherhood,

00:10:46.200 they should be able to legally opt out of fatherhood. Don't, we have all the power now. Don't make

00:10:50.860 a kid with someone that doesn't want to be a father.

00:10:52.860 I see, I see. You're saying that.

00:10:54.120 I think that applies equally to, and this is why I don't advocate for promiscuity. Don't

00:10:58.500 sleep with someone that you are not prepared to have a child with.

00:11:02.080 But, but yeah, again, should, but what, what's happening is what you're, that's like, this

00:11:06.440 isn't a dream world. You know, this isn't like make a wish, you know, society promiscuity

00:11:10.440 is going to go where it's not. So I'm talking about what's happening. Go ahead.

00:11:13.960 Are you saying that a woman who sleeps, like, let's say a woman, uh, you know, we'll start

00:11:19.900 light. She sleeps with a guy, gets pregnant, and then realizes this guy will leave her and

00:11:25.160 doesn't want to be a dad. You're saying she should get an abortion?

00:11:27.740 I'm not saying should or shouldn't. I'm saying women have the choice to, right now, men do

00:11:33.200 not have the choice to opt out of fatherhood. Should or shouldn't, it's almost like, okay,

00:11:38.060 I mean, this isn't, and this is where I get frustrated with conservatives. It doesn't matter

00:11:41.480 what I say. Women are going to abort their kids. It's not going to become illegal. So if

00:11:46.320 we're in a society where we can legally not be mothers, if we don't want, why can't men

00:11:51.180 legally not be fathers?

00:11:52.440 No, I get that. The question I'm, I'm thinking of is you're putting a lot on women as those

00:11:58.140 who are responsible for single, uh, single parent, like single mothers. And what I'm trying

00:12:03.640 to understand is you're saying because women can choose not to be a mother, you said something

00:12:07.960 to this effect. Um, and the guy can't, that means the woman has decided to have a child knowing

00:12:12.460 the man will not be there at times. Yes. At times. So I guess my concern then is like,

00:12:17.400 let's say there's a woman who deeply loves a man and she says, let's get married. He

00:12:22.460 says, yes. And then they do. And then she says, Oh, Hey, you know, on our honeymoon, I

00:12:28.240 got pregnant. He goes, no way. I'm not doing this. I never wanted to have kids. I'm filing

00:12:31.260 for a divorce immediately. What is the option? Does she get an abortion or does she become

00:12:35.720 a single mother? She can pick what she wants. Right. But that doesn't put the responsibility

00:12:40.620 on her. It puts it on the man. No, I still think it's on her because we have a hundred

00:12:44.280 percent control. You can track your cycle. You have plan B you have. So again, if she

00:12:49.420 married a guy she loved, she thought they were going to have a family. And then he betrays

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00:14:21.120 on care. Did I mention that we care? I've never met one. It's not overwhelmingly happening. That's

00:14:30.380 one. And two, you generally, if a man marries a chick, he wants to have a kid with her,

00:14:35.500 generally speaking. I do agree. I do agree. I think. But again, should, shouldn't, you know,

00:14:40.940 I think that if women have the right not to be mothers, men should have the right not to be

00:14:45.520 father. So if he wants, he should be able to say, Hey, you know what? I don't want to be a part of

00:14:49.440 this kid's life. I want to opt out of child support for 18 years. You want to have the kid? Good luck.

00:14:53.800 I don't think that's correct, like morally, but right now we can do something. We can,

00:14:59.020 we can get abortions. We can opt out of motherhood. They should be able to opt out of fatherhood.

00:15:03.340 I mean, they can opt out of fatherhood by not getting people pregnant. Right. But so that is very,

00:15:09.480 very possible without abandoning the child. And that's the thing. Like the child does not have

00:15:15.800 the ability to opt out of needing basic care, comforts and things like that.

00:15:20.180 And that's true. But my point is, you know, having unprotected sex, that's an equally

00:15:24.940 irresponsible decision. We can agree. Right. Right. So, but my point is after that happens,

00:15:30.420 the woman has the plan B option. She's the only one that can guarantee she took the plan B,

00:15:34.860 right. Then we had, she had the option before also to be on birth control or not be on birth

00:15:39.100 control. Many women lie about that. And she has the option to get an abortion. Now we're going

00:15:44.140 close up to birth. You know, as long as we have those extra options, I think men should have the

00:15:49.500 option to not be fathers. Do you think that's unreasonable? Yeah, I do. And I've listened to

00:15:54.540 you talk about child support and child custody. And I agree with you that if a man is being kept from

00:16:01.120 his child, it is simultaneously unfair to say you have to pay for him, but you're not allowed to visit

00:16:06.600 him. I don't think that's right. I think you're, you're getting the both worse of both worlds

00:16:10.840 there. Uh, and I do agree that custody should be 50, 50 off the bat. Like that should be the

00:16:15.160 presumption. You shouldn't lose rights to your child just because the, you and the mother are

00:16:20.320 divorced. Um, but I don't think you can essentially opt out of a life that you created. And when it comes

00:16:28.000 to abortion, I don't think similar with women that you should be able to opt out of the life that you

00:16:32.920 created. So what we have now, what we have, it matters what's happening. Right. So right now,

00:16:37.200 what's happening is immorality when it comes to abortion. But I don't think the way to fix that

00:16:43.180 is to also extend immorality to child support. Like this is a life you you've created. You've

00:16:48.140 both created. You both have responsibility to it. Who's morals. Who's what do you mean? Because

00:16:53.620 it just turns into a morality police. And that's like always with these conversations. About abortion?

00:16:58.520 Correct. Well, no, no, no. I'm talking about sex outside of marriage, that sort of thing. But

00:17:04.380 it let's like, let's not play pretend. 3% of people are waiting till they're married. That's

00:17:09.320 not really common. I mean, was anyone here virgin on their wedding night? Anyone? No? Okay. So why

00:17:16.200 do we play pretend? All right. So it's like, well, I think this gets to the heart of it. We can sit

00:17:21.100 here all day and talk about what we think ought be or not ought be. But the problem is that you're not

00:17:26.880 going to fix any of this without patriarchy. When we threw patriarchy out the window, we

00:17:31.240 sexually liberated women. What we did was throw off a balance of power that was already there.

00:17:36.220 Women historically have been, you know, the gatekeepers of sex. Every one of us sitting

00:17:40.840 at this table has twice as many female ancestors as we do male ancestors. So genetically, women

00:17:47.100 had this great advantage. Then we have our youth, our fertile years where we have tremendous

00:17:51.620 sway, tremendous influence and power. And I think that's temporary on purpose. What happens

00:17:57.700 when you give women equal political power and equal social power to men and you remove the

00:18:03.980 father as the head of the household, which all patriarchy means is rule by the father. When

00:18:08.380 you throw that out, this is the mess you end up with. That's impossible to fix because what are

00:18:15.160 we going to do about all of this out of wedlock births? And my point is we have all this freedom.

00:18:20.180 So take the responsibility that comes with it. So if right now we have the freedom to get an

00:18:24.560 abortion, doesn't matter what we want. Doesn't matter what should be. I, you know, I don't agree

00:18:28.620 with abortion either, but right now it's legal. So if that's what we're doing, then take the

00:18:33.480 responsibility of raising the kid. That's what I, that's what I say. So, uh, do you all agree

00:18:38.400 with the idea of patriarchy? Yes. But I mean, how, how would you, how would you, do you?

00:18:43.540 Oh, I'll, I'll, I'll put a caveat, uh, biblical patriarchy. Yeah. I was going to, I was going

00:18:48.560 to ask like, what is, but I'm, how are you, what's your view on the idea of patriarchy?

00:18:53.960 I don't think it'll ever happen in my lifetime. That that's, I think it's a good idea, but I

00:18:58.800 don't, I wouldn't predict that would happen in my lifetime. Sure. Sure. Uh, how, how, how would

00:19:03.280 each of you, would you define patriarchy similarly? I think Lauren, you, you, you, right.

00:19:07.500 Because I, I guess just blanketly patriarchy, um, you know, I think that the father's role

00:19:13.520 at the head of the household, it comes from God and, you know, it's, it's valid in so far as he,

00:19:17.660 he is acting on behalf of God, trying to lead his family in a godly way. Uh, because, you know,

00:19:22.940 obviously people are going to say like, what about this abusive husband, blah, blah, blah. It's like,

00:19:26.020 all right, well, if he is not, you know, conducting himself in a manner that aligns with the way

00:19:30.420 Christ treats his, his bride, the church, then that's actually not biblical patriarchy.

00:19:34.880 Um, I'm going to shockingly disagree with this take, which might surprise a lot of people because

00:19:40.080 everybody knows I'm an Orthodox Christian. I'm pretty serious about that. But, uh, you guys might

00:19:45.120 not know there was a huge amount of membership in anti-suffrage groups. The anti-suffragists were

00:19:51.040 far more popular than suffragists. Women did not want suffrage. Very few people know that like less

00:19:56.380 than 4%, according to all of the referendums that they did at the time, women did not want it.

00:20:01.300 And if you take a look at the arguments that women made for why they didn't want suffrage,

00:20:06.160 why they didn't want women's liberation, they said, you're charging us with something we cannot

00:20:10.780 do. So we cannot rule society. We cannot defend persons and property, which is supposed to be

00:20:16.800 the primary role of government to defend persons and property. If women can't do that, why give us

00:20:22.020 political power? Why give us voting rights? Then we might have to get drafted. We might have to show

00:20:26.020 up for jury duty, things like that. So I think to say, well, we'll let the men rule as long as

00:20:32.800 they're doing it in a way that we feel is Christian or things like that. It's kind of beside the point

00:20:37.240 because women only have an illusion of authority right now, basically. Like if it comes down to it.

00:20:45.220 So men have the monopoly on force. There's no way around that. Even if you talk about, oh, well,

00:20:50.620 there's women senators or there's women presidents or there's females in the military now. At the end

00:20:56.460 of the day, the people who enforce any illusion of rights, women's rights or otherwise, are going

00:21:01.840 to be men. Period. End of story. Nothing you can do about that. So to say, oh, women have equal

00:21:08.480 rights. They have equal rights that they have to appeal to men to enforce on their behalf. So is that

00:21:14.260 actually equal? So I'm just saying like to have this idea that, well, we'll let the men be in

00:21:19.660 charge. The men are in charge right now. What's been happening is they've allowed women's liberation

00:21:25.280 and we can talk about who and why. So you're saying that at any point if like the majority of men in

00:21:31.460 government were like, yeah, women, women, you're done. That's it. Yes. We wouldn't, we wouldn't really

00:21:35.660 be able to do much about it. I don't disagree. But tomorrow they went, you know, we've had enough of

00:21:39.700 this little experiment hasn't gone so well. I think this woman's rights stuff is over and, you know,

00:21:45.000 no more voting for you. And you're going to mostly be at home. If you have young children and your

00:21:50.480 mother, you're going to be at home raising them. You're not going to be, you know, trying to be a

00:21:54.100 CEO that what would women do about that? Get mad, cry a little bit, yell. I mean, yeah, I see what

00:22:01.920 you're saying. I mean, I feel like politically women certainly have a lot of power. There are a lot of

00:22:07.340 guys online who refer to as a, refer to our current Western society as gynocentrism. But I, I think I

00:22:13.840 see what you're saying in that because men typically are the aggressive force, if they decided to, they

00:22:19.120 could stop it and women couldn't. Right. So I guess I'm, I'm imagining a scenario where if a bunch of

00:22:25.280 say like Republicans came out and said, no more 19th amendment, you would have a bunch of women

00:22:30.640 saying, how dare you? We won't allow this. But I suppose the argument then is the only reason

00:22:35.320 that move from the, from a Republican would be blocked is that Democrat men would block them.

00:22:40.500 Well, that's, that's how we got the 19th amendment was actually like gilded age industrialist

00:22:45.640 progressives. The same guys who met at the Jekyll Island club in 1910 to draft the Federal Reserve

00:22:51.580 Act. The same guys who wanted the income tax had a vested interest in getting women out of the home

00:22:56.820 and into the workforce and making them politically active. But why is that? What was their interest?

00:23:01.300 Well, a couple of reasons. The first interest is if you're going to do an income tax, you can only

00:23:06.240 tax the men's wages. Well, imagine if you can double that by getting all the women into the

00:23:11.300 workforce and taxing their wages. So that's one. Two is a lot of these guys wanted this blend of

00:23:17.100 socialism and capitalism that we have right now, this kind of hybrid system. And there was a lot of

00:23:23.020 anti-suffrage groups that had posters, pamphlets, encyclicals. They even did debates against suffragists

00:23:28.540 where they said a vote for women is a vote for socialism because the Bolsheviks in Russia were

00:23:34.540 saying we're never going to have full communism. We're never going to have true socialism unless we

00:23:38.480 get women involved, give them the vote, make them workers, make them see themselves as labor units

00:23:44.920 rather than mothers. So this was kind of the plan. So that's kind of how we ended up with the system we

00:23:50.820 have now. So they wanted to dual income tax. They wanted women in the workforce. What's the other big

00:23:56.920 benefit of that? Where do the kids go all day? If mom and dad are both at work, they have to go

00:24:01.220 somewhere. Oh, we magically get the compulsory education system right along this same time frame.

00:24:07.040 So the kids are being indoctrinated with whatever values the government and the Department of

00:24:12.860 Education want to bestow on them. So and then the other big obvious one is cheap wages. If you were

00:24:20.240 JP Morgan or a Cornelius Vanderbilt or a Rockefeller or a Ford and you have these huge factories and

00:24:26.860 you need lots of cheap labor, you can only import so many immigrants. Better idea, take the women

00:24:32.260 who are going to work for a lower wage, put them in the factories, which is exactly what we saw happen.

00:24:38.600 Yeah, I suppose with industrialization, you immediately, let me pause, go back before

00:24:45.020 industrialization. Conscription became, okay, I got to slow down. Obviously, conscription has been around

00:24:51.580 forever. Guys were forced to fight. But it became substantially more viable to have a conscripted

00:24:57.040 class when like breech loaders, muskets, and more easily loadable weapons became prominent.

00:25:04.840 It used to be back in the ancient days, you had a warrior class. Men who were born from the day they

00:25:11.060 were born, every day trained to be fighters. And they said, these guys are going to be the fighters

00:25:15.440 who defend this nation. And they had spears. But then all of a sudden, they were like, this is a gun.

00:25:19.120 You point it, you pull the trigger, it works. All of a sudden, they were like, we could take

00:25:23.720 literally anybody, hand them this, and they can fight on equal. So all of a sudden, I was reading

00:25:29.000 about the fall of samurai in Japan. And this warrior class had tremendous political power

00:25:34.060 that was lost the moment rifles were introduced to the country. All of a sudden, they're just like,

00:25:39.880 we don't need you anymore. Your political power is gone. So I forgot exactly where I was going with

00:25:47.120 that. But probably that it's the industrial revolution is what allowed feminism. If you're

00:25:52.440 wondering, how come women's liberation didn't happen for two, four, six thousand years before

00:25:56.840 this? It's because technology is the thing that makes it possible for women to feel they're equal

00:26:02.120 with men. Look at this studio, where any of these lights, this Wi Fi, these computers, any of this

00:26:08.060 designed by women? No, do the women upkeep it? Do the women build it? No, the men build this

00:26:13.840 technological world that makes us think, oh, I can be a career woman. I can be in charge.

00:26:18.240 It's so funny because women will come on the show and say they don't need men on a microphone

00:26:21.740 that men built and a building that men maintain. And you know, I agree with that. And my counter,

00:26:27.840 because I was talking about this, I have a segment.

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00:27:57.400 We'll get to in a second. All of these women who these feminists are online saying, you know,

00:28:03.080 we're, we're, we're great inventors. Actually, I was just screwing with chat GPT because it's super

00:28:07.520 woke and I'm trying to get to admit reality. And it was like, men and women are completely equal

00:28:11.900 and have contributed equally to society. And I'm like, I agree. That's true. But tell me why.

00:28:16.180 And it starts going on about great inventors. And I'm like, no, no, spare me this. It is strange to

00:28:21.140 me that there are so many feminists that want to talk about the masculine things women have done

00:28:27.500 instead of literally just being like, how about every great world leader was made by a woman?

00:28:32.300 How about the fact that women are the ones who, who, who create the people in concert with men?

00:28:36.900 Yes. But women, if, if, if a guy's like, I invented the light bulbs, like congratulations,

00:28:40.560 you were created, created by a woman. Like, can we give women credit for being the creators of life?

00:28:45.580 No. And what's interesting is that feminists basically have masculine values. They only

00:28:50.960 judge women as successful or useful when they are conforming to masculine norms. That's why they

00:28:56.000 love the, the, the CEO feminine girl boss. They love those female fighters. They're only proud of

00:29:02.160 women when they're behaving like men, because that's where their value set comes from. They

00:29:05.860 basically disregard the homemaker, anything feminine, nurturing, caring, childcare. They think of

00:29:10.180 that as unimportant, which is ironically actually sexist.

00:29:13.260 So I want to pull this up. I was talking about this the other day. This is a great thread. We have,

00:29:17.660 uh, Catherine Brodsky. She posted this image of this, uh, Taekwondo black belt woman doing this

00:29:22.880 absolutely amazing bow staff routine. She's spinning this aluminum staff. Uh, it looks, it absolutely

00:29:30.020 incredible. Wow. Real talent there. I sincerely mean that this, look at that. She said, if you run into

00:29:35.320 her in the forest, I pity the man and the bear, she, she then responded, she then responded the

00:29:41.980 number of unfit, unskilled men claiming they can quote, take her merely based on the fact that they

00:29:46.220 are men. Yes. Men are on average stronger, but take an unfit man in a somewhat similar weight class

00:29:51.260 and she's winning. No, no. So, so the first thing I want to say is, uh, the caveat of an unfit man in

00:29:58.900 the same weight class after saying, I pity the man and the bear. So the, this woman, uh, tremendous

00:30:05.180 talent. I, I, I mean, no disrespect, but she's five foot one, 100 pounds. Right. She has her, her,

00:30:09.820 her stats are available for her like fight record and everything. Uh, there's a reason why a man who

00:30:15.900 is six foot three raw muscle ripped the bone with four black belts will not beat a grizzly bear in a

00:30:21.960 fight. Yeah. Technique's not going to save you from a grizzly bear because physical mass matters in

00:30:27.200 the conflict. Yes. There's, there's a, with proper grappling technique, it's known that, you know,

00:30:32.820 women could force a man into a submission, but a five foot tall, 100 pound woman will be lifted up

00:30:37.060 with one arm by, by your, probably your average guy. Okay. Maybe not your average guy. I don't even,

00:30:41.520 I don't even think she could take a five one guy. No, because even like pound for pound men are still

00:30:46.520 strong, more, more bone density, more muscle mass. I mean, my, my husband, he's really into mixed martial

00:30:51.200 art. She does BJJ. He does boxing. And I've asked him like, are we have a daughter? He's like,

00:30:55.260 would you, would you put Riley and like Taekwondo or stuff like that? And he was like, why? And I'm

00:30:58.900 like, I don't know, like self-defense. And he's like, no, we're just going to get her a gun.

00:31:03.120 She's tiny. She's half Asian. Like even he recognizes like for her, it's not going to be

00:31:08.280 useful. Unless you do like the Krav Maga, like you're, you just target the eye and the balls.

00:31:12.880 Basically the most effective woman can do. I mean, I think women should learn self-defense,

00:31:17.700 but I think the idea that women taking self-defense courses under the idea that they're going to beat

00:31:24.020 a man in a refereed fist fight. But, you know, looking at this Twitter thread, it's loaded with

00:31:30.100 guys who are like absolutely a trained woman would beat a man. And I'm like, you know, I think,

00:31:36.140 I think Ronda Rousey would, could, could probably take the average guy, but even that is a maybe,

00:31:43.700 there was some unfit average guy. I can't remember the exact story, but he challenged

00:31:48.380 any MMA champion woman to a fight and they all refused to do it until finally they did someone

00:31:53.280 finally, they would, they would be like, I'll take him. He's nothing. I'm trained. And then at the

00:31:56.920 last minute, I'd be like, I'm not doing it. And then finally something happened where he did like

00:32:00.200 a friendly sparring match and got put in a submission and they, they hugged it out or

00:32:03.540 whatever. I don't think it was a real fight. You know, the, the average guy is five, eight,

00:32:08.020 five, nine. Actually, the scary thing is the average guy right now is five, eight,

00:32:11.580 200 pounds, which is kind of worrisome. Chonky. Yeah. And the same thing with average women in

00:32:16.540 this country is also like one 50 or something or whatever. But if you, if you, if you just take

00:32:21.440 like the average guy who has got five, eight and let's say five, eight, 199 pounds, how is the

00:32:27.420 average woman who is what? Like five, four or five, three? Well, I think there's like Hollywood

00:32:32.620 movies have contributed to this greatly because they've actually convinced women that, oh, it's just

00:32:36.700 training. I could totally kick someone's butt. And we're lucky enough that in Western society,

00:32:40.340 women are so removed from actual physical conflict, including, and especially with men

00:32:45.220 that we start to believe that's true. Like, thank goodness. All of these women are so delusional

00:32:49.560 because that means that they've actually never had to fight a man or been attacked by a man.

00:32:53.740 Because if that were heaven forbid ever to happen, they would learn really quick that,

00:32:57.500 yeah, you're not as strong as them. Do you think that's part of why like Pearl and I are both

00:33:01.000 kind of tomboys? I'm a firearms instructor myself. I teach women basic pistol and concealed carry.

00:33:06.180 And I'd say more than half of my female students do not have the hand strength to load or operate

00:33:12.420 an automatic pistol. They have to use a revolver, something like that. And I think when you grow up

00:33:17.800 doing boy things with boys, you understand and respect that you're not a man.

00:33:22.960 So when playing and playing sports, cause I played basketball for 16 years. So if I go do pickup,

00:33:28.160 I gauge with guys cause I'll play with them sometimes, but I gauge, I know if he played

00:33:32.680 like one year of high school, I'm getting beat, even though I played in college.

00:33:35.680 I just want to mention, uh, the speed loader wasn't invented because women had trouble loading

00:33:40.960 guns, loading magazines. It's because it is substantially easier. I, it gets, it's, it's annoying to try and

00:33:48.300 just repeatedly. Oh man, you're going to have a revolver. You gotta have a speed loader, but

00:33:52.660 right. Uh, we, we go to the range and I'm like, I've got 17 rounds to load in this thing. Just

00:33:57.540 give me the speed loader. I don't want to keep pressing into it. It's, it's extra work. I don't

00:34:01.100 want to do. Yeah. I'd imagine the speed loader is going to make it much. Technology really does

00:34:06.400 equal the playing field for, for women in a lot of ways. But even a man with a gun versus a woman

00:34:11.220 with a gun, nine times out of 10, the man's going to be better. Like people don't think that that's

00:34:15.840 the case. But like when I took my testing to get certified, there was only one other

00:34:20.180 woman with me. She actually brought her husband and had him like loading her magazines and

00:34:25.380 stuff. I was like, this is cheating. I showed up and did everything myself.

00:34:29.160 Well, and men, men even have better hand-eye coordination. So when it comes to aim, I absolutely

00:34:34.880 demolish my husband when it comes to stuff like that, but that's like very rare. Usually it's

00:34:39.140 like on average, it would, it would, if you, you know, the, the best sharpshooters or whatever

00:34:42.500 in the military, they are men. And I know like, that's one of the things where there was this

00:34:48.020 whole debate about, should women be in the military? Should they serve in combat roles? I don't think

00:34:52.200 so. But people were like, well, you know, they can still fire guns as well and stuff like that.

00:34:56.840 It's like, actually, no, actually.

00:34:59.040 Well, and just because some women can do some things doesn't mean that all women ought do those

00:35:05.040 things. It's the exception, right? And then it just proves that women need men. And back to this

00:35:09.760 post, like all the men commenting, it's like, okay, well, who's really to blame for feminism

00:35:14.900 if men, these simps, like allowed women to have this power? And how do we actually combat feminism

00:35:20.620 today? Because like you said, women are controlling the emotions and they're the ones driving this

00:35:25.600 hysteria and making the men vote this way and enforce these things. So really it's up to the men.

00:35:31.120 And I saw your husband talk about how men need to create like men's rights advocacy groups in

00:35:35.820 Washington. They've had them for over a hundred plus years. The first men's rights advocacy

00:35:39.480 group was in the early 1900s. The reason that it's so ineffective is because women are the

00:35:43.740 biggest swing voters. And so like that, that's why I would say women are more responsible for

00:35:48.820 feminism because most men do not have political power other than one vote. And even if they do

00:35:53.260 vote, women will always outvote men because there's more women than men.

00:35:56.680 I do think though, that part of the reason that women, okay, sorry. I would say that men should be,

00:36:04.320 they need to have higher standards when it comes to women. I do think that if women,

00:36:07.900 like the reason why so many girls are on OnlyFans or are whores are because men still sleep with

00:36:13.020 them. They're paying the OnlyFans subscriptions. And I know it's easy. Like this is not what's

00:36:16.740 happening. This is what they ought to do. But if we ever want to change the culture, we have to start

00:36:20.660 somewhere. And I do think that if more men's advocacy groups arised and more men were like,

00:36:25.760 I'm not going to give women and feminists the time of day if they're pro voting, if they're

00:36:30.120 feminists, like make it so, so unfavorable, bring back shaming to such a high degree,

00:36:34.800 as rabid as the feminists were, where they took over everything.

00:36:38.700 So I disagree with you. I think women want to be on OnlyFans because they enjoy being whores. So

00:36:44.220 I've interviewed, I've interviewed so many sex workers. They just like it. They get there. They

00:36:47.880 get off on being naked in front of men. I don't think it's this, like the men are giving that,

00:36:53.720 like, I think that- But the men are there to be in front of.

00:36:56.380 Yeah. But they're also there to be in front of when they walk outside. And I see this when I go to

00:37:00.600 Vegas. Women just get naked on the street. Like you see them, they have like stickers over,

00:37:04.940 women, I've never seen women fight harder than for anything than the ability to be naked and the

00:37:09.820 ability to be whores. Yeah, I agree. I think it's, I think it's absolutely appalling, but I think

00:37:13.420 men should have the discipline. And I know it's tough because I'm not trying to blame it all

00:37:17.420 on men. But at the end of the day, it is like a, it's like sales. It's like, if there's no supply,

00:37:22.260 there's no, or if there's no supply, there's no demand. But I'm saying even, even if there was no

00:37:24.960 OnlyFans market, like women would still figure out. There's been escorts, prostitutes, since

00:37:29.600 that's like the world's oldest profession. That's always going to happen. But back to the,

00:37:33.880 whose fault is it? Again, I, you know, I, again, I think it's women. You know, I think we're always

00:37:38.480 bringing the blame back to men, but most women vote just because women had the opportunity to

00:37:42.980 leave their husbands. They didn't have to pick it. And I think we're ultimately responsible for the

00:37:46.600 downfall of society. Most men have very little to no political power other than one vote.

00:37:50.820 Is it, isn't it then fair to say it's actually men's fault for allowing women to do these things

00:37:56.220 in the first place? I want to, I want to actually break that down. So, okay, you go get married.

00:38:01.420 Let's just say tomorrow you find your chick, you get married. And then she says, I want to leave you

00:38:06.440 and I want to take half your business and your stuff. What, what do you do? No, don't do it. Well,

00:38:12.920 no, I really want to. No, please don't. Let me go. But my point was pre women's suffrage.

00:38:19.900 It was men. It's patriarchy. And then the men go, I had an idea. Let's divide power amongst women.

00:38:26.520 Yeah. Yeah. Couldn't you then blame men for being weak? Fine. Fine. Maybe a hundred years ago. Sure.

00:38:30.640 But I'm saying any, any person born today or in the last 50, most men didn't have anything to do

00:38:35.600 with that. Like you weren't alive. You weren't alive. So yeah, sure. A few men could, you could say

00:38:41.440 are responsible, but by and large, far more women have opted for this stuff. Far more women have

00:38:46.900 gotten abortions. Far more women have gotten an OnlyFans. Only women have gotten abortions.

00:38:51.200 And because like you said earlier, when women get power, they're terrible. They don't know what to

00:38:55.260 do because they're, they're higher rates of mental illness. They're just way more abusive. They

00:38:59.800 are power hungry. So because men allowed, those men allowed them to have the power and now women have

00:39:06.340 the power and look how terrible society is with the sexual revolution. And now it is because of women

00:39:10.880 today and them having power. And it sucks because we can't go back in time, but what can we do now?

00:39:15.080 Right. But that's, that's my point. If we're going to go like back who, if we're going to,

00:39:18.900 if we're going to make the argument, whose fault is it? Far more women are at fault than men because

00:39:23.560 a very small percentage of men had anything to do with this. But I kind of feel like we,

00:39:28.040 the generations just have different problems. Okay. And I mean, if you go back to the, to the,

00:39:32.280 the stark patriarchy, there's war, the bloodiest war, civil war, world war II. There's,

00:39:37.780 there's bad things that existed under patriarchy as well. And so if you look at society today and you say,

00:39:42.380 you know, degeneracy and these things that came from the sexual, sexual revolution,

00:39:46.300 these are bad things, but does it mean that it like, was there ever a utopian society? I mean,

00:39:52.500 how do we weigh the problems today against the problems of yesterday? There were always problems

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00:41:28.960 We often conflate the effects of the industrial and technological revolutions with the social

00:41:37.280 revolutions, which feminism is by far the biggest and most significant social revolution

00:41:41.180 of all time. It was not an organic grassroots movement. It was totally astroturfed. It was

00:41:47.260 completely engineered. It was societal engineering. But I think this is my hot take is that we're not

00:41:54.820 going to fix this. We're not going to culturally go back. There's no going back. But what is going

00:42:00.840 to happen is this is completely unsustainable. This situation, totally unsustainable. And here's

00:42:06.400 why. Birth rates in South Korea right now are 0.78. In the United States, in the entire Western world,

00:42:12.980 in fact, in the whole world except a handful of countries, it's well below replacement.

00:42:16.860 I disagree. I agree with everything you just said, except for there's no going back. I think

00:42:23.400 what you described is going back. So when you look at the birth rates, yes, in the United States,

00:42:29.000 it's below replacement. But look at the conservative birth rate. It's not above replacement. It's not,

00:42:33.720 but it's higher. Yeah. Which means that there is this dip happening predominantly among liberal

00:42:38.780 groups and feminist groups. Yes. And it's much lighter against conservative groups, which means in

00:42:43.540 over a long enough time scale, conservatives rebound liberals. That's exactly what's going

00:42:48.380 to happen. But I don't think it'll be going back. It'll be a new, it'll be a rebirth and it'll look

00:42:53.680 different. I also disagree that that's really going to happen because there's no, you can't make your

00:43:00.140 kid be conservative. And I've, I've seen, I've seen, you know, I've seen kids and, you know, maybe this

00:43:05.680 is anecdotal, but I've seen kids with very conservative parents come out very liberal. Yeah. They've actually done

00:43:11.880 studies. If the greatest single predictor of what your political ideology is going to be is the

00:43:17.260 ideology of your parents. There's actually, no, that's before the age of 25. After 25, the number

00:43:23.200 one is your husband's spouse. There is a genetic component to political beliefs. People are

00:43:29.780 uncovering more and more, but if you homeschool your kids, you definitely don't send them to public

00:43:34.840 school. There is a good chance that yes, your, your child will be conservative. And if they get married,

00:43:39.920 then that's, you're, you are correct. And I think you're going to agree with me. You, uh, you said

00:43:45.820 that you don't think it's going to go back because you can't guarantee your kid is conservative, but

00:43:49.480 after 25, the husband is the biggest predictor. Yeah. Husband's number one. Second is where you live.

00:43:55.340 Third is parents. Yeah. So let me bring up this image right here. This is just a couple of the data

00:44:00.500 points that we've seen from various countries, men skewing conservative, women skewing liberal. So Pearl,

00:44:05.380 what happens, what happens at 35? Okay. So, but women aren't going to get married.

00:44:09.820 Right, right, right. Wait, wait, wait. I want to, I want to, and women still have the most political

00:44:13.100 power. So go ahead. Right. Do you believe that all women hold these views? I would, I would, uh,

00:44:20.480 argue that many of them are just following social trends. Yeah. Um, I think that, do I think all women

00:44:27.080 are liberal? No, I think some are. Yeah. I mean, I mean, of liberal women, do you think all of them

00:44:32.740 inherently do believe this? I believe that when you look at the data from Instagram and TikTok,

00:44:37.460 where women are like young girls develop Tourette's from watching videos of Tourette's,

00:44:41.260 they're very socially influenced. Everyone's autistic now. So I think here, here's my prediction.

00:44:45.420 Yeah. When you look at men skewing conservative and it's happening now, uh, Gen Z predominantly among

00:44:51.060 men, very much moving towards Trump. It's this weird phenomenon we've not seen. Uh, Gen Z is considered

00:44:56.840 to be the most conservative generation in a hundred years, not because they're conservative,

00:45:00.180 they're not, but because it's the first time we've tracked slight conservative ticks. So, um,

00:45:06.800 typically of the past four or five generations, the, the, the next generation is always slightly

00:45:11.800 more progressive. Gen Z is the first time we've seen it sort of balance out and then move a little

00:45:17.580 bit to the right in one area. So they're very similar to millennials, but whoa, it wasn't a dramatic

00:45:22.260 shift here. Here's my, here's my prediction. Men don't have a biological clock, right? Men are

00:45:28.660 skewing conservative men are going to be 35 and they're going to meet a 35 year old woman on a

00:45:34.180 dating app. And the woman's going to be sitting there going, I'm a progressive. And he's going to

00:45:37.020 say, ma'am, I have all the time in the world. Have a nice day. I won't have kids with someone who's

00:45:40.640 going to divorce me. Yes. This is going to do two things. The women who are only following social cues

00:45:46.220 will immediately be like, I never actually cared about that. I want a family. And the women who do

00:45:51.080 really believe it won't have kids. Yeah. I was trying to say earlier is this is a self-correcting

00:45:56.920 problem, meaning we're not going to have to go in and like rebuild the patriarchy. This is the

00:46:01.760 patriarchy going, wait a minute. This was really bad. This was a bad deal. The sexual revolution was

00:46:06.880 a really bad deal for men. Men are figuring this out now. And exactly what you said is true.

00:46:11.720 Men can wait. They don't have to start a family before 30. And by the way,

00:46:15.780 women aren't having children until they're 30, 31 years old now, which is why the birth rate is

00:46:20.800 so low. It's not because people are having no kids. It's because we're telling all the women

00:46:23.980 to spend their fertile years in college, going into debt and building a career. And then we think

00:46:28.560 they're going to flip a switch at 30 and just start popping out babies. They have one, maybe two,

00:46:33.980 because it doesn't make sense to have all that debt and invest your whole 20s in your career and

00:46:38.280 then suddenly stay home with your kids. But the men aren't going to keep going.

00:46:42.920 Yeah. This is what I would predict in terms of outcomes. Young women have no evidence that

00:46:49.320 they care what men want. When you pull them, they say that they care about men. They care about

00:46:54.820 traveling more. They care about other things more than men. If I had to predict what the future will

00:46:59.440 be, I would say single parenthood. And I would say that IVF and women are just going to have kids

00:47:05.960 older and older. It's actually going to get to the point where they don't need a man. They can just get

00:47:09.900 a sperm donor. That's true, but I don't believe it will outweigh. I don't think the numbers can

00:47:14.680 ever reach that point, especially single parenthood will not be nearly as successful,

00:47:18.320 as you pointed out, with crime and homelessness. These men that are becoming more conservative are

00:47:23.120 going to make demands. And everything you pointed out about divorce, it's a really great point.

00:47:27.460 A guy says, no fault divorce. You could just take everything away. And what's the point of getting

00:47:31.940 married? So that means you're going to get more and more guys who are shifting conservative going on

00:47:36.240 dates when they're 30 and they're going to say, you were really sweet. I really enjoy your time,

00:47:41.260 but I will not date a woman who believes in no fault divorce and abortion. And this means that

00:47:45.640 those women will have to go towards IVF or they won't have kids. If they don't have kids,

00:47:50.360 then their line ceases. They will adapt to the views of their husband.

00:47:53.700 But we looked at the results of the 2020 election. Married women voted Republican on average. And this is

00:48:01.280 something that is not that uncommon. White women also voted Republican. Guess what?

00:48:04.840 Of all the social demographic groups, white women are most likely to be married. Married women are

00:48:10.680 conservative because men are conservative. And we've talked about service, guaranteed citizenship,

00:48:15.940 what is the ideal electoral system? I think vote per household led by the husband would be one good

00:48:22.440 thing. But I think my husband firmly believes that if a man is strong and leads, women will follow.

00:48:29.240 And I think that is also true in relationships. He has friends who are very,

00:48:33.320 very right wing in, you know, Quebec, very liberal area. They do not have like they are young. They're

00:48:39.460 in shape. They have good jobs. They do not have problem. Even the super Libby area finding women

00:48:44.920 to date, because it's true. Like when you present yourself as a strong, masculine man, you have these

00:48:48.820 opinions, women follow. But it doesn't matter what women say. It matters what they do. And if I had

00:48:53.660 to predict in the next five years, again, that the system is still the same. Women can still

00:48:57.660 recommend in family court. So why would it be any different the next generation? I mean,

00:49:01.940 you can say what you want in the dating phase. And there's many women that do. I interview the

00:49:06.460 husbands on the other side. They say one thing and they do another five to seven years in family

00:49:10.940 court. I'm just saying it's going down. So the only reason it's going down is because COVID set

00:49:16.820 the numbers off. That's one. And the average time before marriage is going up. And nobody's getting

00:49:21.800 married. And no one's getting married. No one getting married would affect the divorce rates.

00:49:25.960 Law, morals, none of it matters in the mathematic argument. If it is true that even if like there's

00:49:32.700 still going to be high rates of divorce, the fact that men are becoming more conservative,

00:49:37.060 this is going to apply a pressure that over a long period of time, there will be attrition

00:49:42.220 away from divorce and abortion and all of these things. They'll still exist. They'll still exist for

00:49:47.280 a while. But over a long enough period of time, if the math is trending this direction, even if it's

00:49:52.780 0.1%, this is why casinos make money. Most of these games are 49. You know, if the casino has

00:49:59.680 a 50.5% chance to win to your 49.5, they don't care if they lose a thousand dollars because over

00:50:04.900 the long enough period of time, they make money no matter what. Yeah. I just think that's selling

00:50:08.280 dreams. Okay. Guess 10 years from now, are there going to be more single mothers or less single

00:50:13.020 mothers? Guess more or less. In 10 years, more. Okay. In 10 years, in 10 years, I want to, I want to go

00:50:18.560 through these. It's not going to have, like you said, in our lifetime, it's not going to, it's not

00:50:21.580 going to be corrected that quickly. But this, this I think will accelerate because men are realizing

00:50:26.780 they don't have to play these games and they don't have to participate in the system. And I think one

00:50:31.120 of the biggest problems that we have, and Lauren talked with my husband about this, is the fact that

00:50:35.980 throughout all of human history, marriage used to be a contract between two families. It had

00:50:41.320 sacramental and religious and spiritual significance. This whole, it's a contract through the state.

00:50:47.000 It's a license you get at your county. That's a hundred years old. This is a very new idea. It

00:50:52.140 failed miserably. There's no, we shouldn't be surprised that everyone's getting divorced because

00:50:56.800 who cares about your silly contract through this? It's like a roommate agreement. It's easier to get

00:51:01.740 out of than a cell phone contract. It's meaningless. It is easier to get out of a marriage than it is to

00:51:05.820 get out of a lease. It is. How insane. For women. Yeah. Well, right. So I think another thing you're

00:51:10.960 going to see, another trend we're going to see, because men are going back to religion as well at a

00:51:14.720 higher rate than women, like serious traditional churches are seeing a huge influx, like the

00:51:19.460 Orthodox church. I think 80% of our new converts are like young men. That's great. Women are going

00:51:25.100 to like Wicca and astrology and all this garbage nonsense, but men are going back to like the

00:51:31.360 traditional churches. And I think what they're going to do is they're going to say, I will marry

00:51:35.720 you through my church. We will have an ecclesiastical marriage where our church and our community

00:51:41.460 kind of govern the terms and enforce the contract rather than just going through the state.

00:51:47.040 Yeah. I just wouldn't predict it because even if you do that, you can't out religion the state.

00:51:52.560 At the end of the day, the state is still the enforcement arm. And if you have children in

00:51:56.460 this country, they're not yours. The state doesn't matter. All that matters is cultural

00:51:59.680 enforcement. That's why it's like in Boston, for instance, it's illegal to put a pie on your

00:52:05.840 windowsill on Sunday, but everybody does. There are a bunch of blue laws that exist on the books,

00:52:09.780 but are never enforced. It's because people fear more social than they do legal. For instance,

00:52:15.100 why are criminals still going around raping and murdering and shooting despite the death penalty?

00:52:18.780 They don't care. But why is that cancel culture dramatically shifted major parts of our market

00:52:23.400 for the past 10 years only up until now? Why did Target abandon in many of their locations,

00:52:28.740 the pride section, cultural enforcement is stronger. When you have people who grow up in a rural community

00:52:33.980 going to church and that there's a man and a woman and they think to themselves,

00:52:38.580 if we get divorced, it is going to cause major cultural problems for us at church,

00:52:42.920 at community, in our bake sales, in the fire department. We can't live with that. We have

00:52:47.000 to deal with it. The pressure is on them. If you're in a big city, perhaps yes, but cultural enforcement

00:52:52.880 dictates how people behave. If they could, they could pass a law. And as long as no one,

00:52:58.700 no, like there was a, there was, there were cops in Seattle. Antifa was threatening a guy. The guy's

00:53:06.520 backing up and he's, and he's, and he's like pointing at him as he backs away. Cops jump out of

00:53:11.440 their car, arrest the victim. Why? Because the social order in Seattle and Portland is we do not

00:53:17.580 take action against the far left mobs. So the cops mentality is if I go after the protesters, I'm going

00:53:23.160 to get into a fight. People are going to get mad at me. And then I'll be on the news is attacking

00:53:26.680 peaceful protesters, just arrest the victim. And it all stops. But there is no culture and

00:53:31.380 cultural enforcement that shames women for doing that. I can even look at conservatives. I mean,

00:53:36.240 I have a list here of all the conservatives that are divorced. It's not, I mean, look at how we

00:53:42.580 handled the Crowder situation. Look at Lauren Southern. She just got an article written about

00:53:46.900 her poor divorce story. There's no shame even from conservatives for divorce.

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00:55:12.380 that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care? I think the movement for like abolishing

00:55:24.220 no-fault divorce though, I think it is gaining traction. I'm hearing about it more and more,

00:55:28.480 and it's partly due to people like you, but I think there are more and more conservatives who

00:55:32.240 weren't really thinking about this. It's not like they supported it, but that it just wasn't on their

00:55:36.220 radar. And I think it's starting to become part of the conversation where, hey, maybe we should

00:55:40.540 talk about this in a way that 10 years ago it wasn't even being mentioned. So I'm actually somewhat

00:55:46.000 hopeful that maybe in the future we could do something about that. I think that is a meaningful

00:55:49.740 change that we could make that would, again, I'm not advocating for state marriage,

00:55:54.060 but for those of, you know, people who do care about government marriage, but are concerned

00:55:58.160 about that, I think that actually is something we could change. Yeah, I think it sounds, I, you

00:56:03.760 know, I hate to be, you know, I hate to be a pessimist. I just don't see any evidence that's

00:56:07.320 happening. That's, that's, you know, like we could say, you know, we want that to happen,

00:56:11.300 but it's not like a wishlist, you know? I have, I have a question. Um, what is the number one

00:56:17.100 podcast among women? Probably some murder one. Probably call her daddy. That's gotta be,

00:56:22.480 because they were close, they were close to Joe Rogan. And what do they talk about on

00:56:25.540 that show? Sex. Yeah. Yeah. How to give proper blowjobs. Yeah. It's kind of wild. And she

00:56:30.600 just got married. That's a crazy thing. I was, I was thinking about this because it is largely

00:56:34.800 true crime. Women watch, uh, listen to a lot of murder mysteries, but I think, uh, was it

00:56:39.380 call her daddy? Yeah. And, and it's a, it's like, it's like kind of vapid degenerate sex

00:56:44.200 talk. And what do guys listen to? No question. It's Joe Rogan. And what does Joe Rogan

00:56:48.960 talk about? Protein, MMA. My husband loves to. Yeah. And, uh, and, and cultural news and

00:56:56.300 political news. Yeah. And so, uh, I bring that up because I'm willing to bet the majority of

00:57:01.080 people listening to this show right now are dudes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's

00:57:04.600 interesting because on, uh, like on YouTube, my audience is probably for my political channel

00:57:11.680 around 80% male. And I was excited when I, uh, when I started my pop culture entertainment

00:57:18.500 channels, like finally, I can have more girl audiences because we're just talking about

00:57:22.160 movies. No, 95% male. So I don't know. I guess I'm not talking about talking about the right

00:57:28.180 movies or the right activities. Yeah. So I had a question, um, with the Crowder case, I told

00:57:34.760 you I was going to bring this up. Why, you know, Hill, you said on stream, there's some information

00:57:40.820 behind the scenes, you know, but if you, if you're willing to say, you know, this vague

00:57:45.460 stuff, like what is it? So officially my stance is aside from what I've already said, uh, Crowder

00:57:52.240 and I both, I currently work for, and he used to work for blaze TV. Uh, we do actually have,

00:57:58.240 uh, you know, some NDAs and non disparagements. So I will not be commenting further. And I know

00:58:03.220 that's frustrating, but that's why I'm not, but then why did you make, I'm on Crowder's side?

00:58:07.080 Yeah. But why did you make like five videos on it? If you're going to say now I can't

00:58:10.520 comment. Oh, I can't comment on what is not publicly available. Okay. I can talk about

00:58:15.860 what, like what publicly is out there. Okay. So publicly Hillary and on video said he wasn't

00:58:22.760 abusive. Why was that not reported on? About him not being abusive? Yeah. It was on video.

00:58:28.860 I mean, I had problems with the way that. You had something where you alluded in your video

00:58:33.600 on him, um, that he was abusive after you played the clip of him talking to his wife.

00:58:39.560 So my, you know, my question is if you're going to report on that, why did you not report on the

00:58:44.720 video of her saying he wasn't? He wasn't that he wasn't abusive. Uh, which video you're talking

00:58:49.220 about was the one that I recently did with Jared. It was no, no, not, um, not the one where you did

00:58:54.000 with Jared. I'm saying there was video of Hillary Crowder saying that Steven was not abusive

00:58:58.720 and all of the conservatives were super willing to throw him under the bus the last year, make a ton

00:59:03.260 of money off of it, except for Tim. You were, you were, you were the only one who I thought was

00:59:09.180 fair. I really did. I was so, I have never been so disappointed in conservatives because there's

00:59:14.100 with Steven. And I think with Steven, like if it were just his divorce, I wouldn't have talked about

00:59:20.600 it, but he is someone who's in this industry who has a pattern of basically blowing up personal

00:59:25.560 relationships. And I think, right. But that doesn't make him an abuser, right? You can be an

00:59:30.000 asshole, but that doesn't make you abusive. I definitely don't think he's like physically

00:59:33.340 abusive or anything like that. Well, yeah, but you alluded that he was like a, you said that he

00:59:37.560 was abusing his wife in, in that clip. So if she has a clip that says, Hey, he's not, I would think,

00:59:44.280 Oh wow. All the conservatives, you guys would be the first to report except for Tim.

00:59:50.420 He was the only one who did. And it's like, you were willing to make video, video, video,

00:59:55.060 video. If, if, if you're, are you asking like the, the ring cam footage about him?

00:59:59.820 No, it was, it was a video of his wife in court and she said he was not abusive. This is on camera.

01:00:04.960 The nanny also testified not abusive. Well, I think my video specifically was about the nanny

01:00:08.960 footage, which I do. I mean, to tell your spouse that you do not love them. I do think that's,

01:00:14.340 I mean, emotionally abusive. No, because, well, I wouldn't say that's emotionally abusive. And

01:00:18.240 because he says, you do not show me love. And what he was referring to in the video,

01:00:21.900 if you really listen, pay attention. And there was a clip cut out was that she was not showing

01:00:27.160 him love because she didn't listen to him. And it's like trad wives, trad wives. Why, why,

01:00:31.260 why wasn't the question? Why didn't you walk the dog? Like you were told. Yeah.

01:00:34.880 There's a lot, there's a lot to do with the whole Steven Crowder situation that I'm just

01:00:38.960 not going to comment on like publicly.

01:00:41.220 Well, you were willing to publicly make video after video after video about what was publicly

01:00:47.520 available for sure. And so is the, and so is the nanny footage. So is like, so why don't

01:00:52.440 Quick question. Quick question. Isn't it, isn't it confirmed that, uh, I could be wrong about

01:00:56.320 this, that, uh, Crowder's wife deleted a bunch of footage from there.

01:01:00.040 For a hundred. That's important. You would think that's actually justice worried to this

01:01:05.020 whole breakdown about it. That's something that Crowder's team is alleging, but I don't know if

01:01:10.420 the court itself has verified or backed it up. And I'll tell you why I knew it was full of shit

01:01:15.340 when I first heard it, because I I've interviewed so many men that have gone through the same exact

01:01:21.000 thing. And what women do is they poison the well for years. So they'll go around to all of his friends

01:01:24.600 and drop little tidbits of abuse. Now the common ones are emotional abuse, physical abuse. Some

01:01:30.280 throw in the pedo accusation. That's, that's devastating to men. That's a devastating one.

01:01:34.960 They'll say it about their family. So they'll do this for years. Then when they come out and say

01:01:39.700 he's abusive, they have all of these people ready to back them up and white night. And then, um,

01:01:45.960 typically what you get is an out of context clip that they throw out there. And so I knew what was

01:01:50.660 happening when I first saw the video.

01:01:52.400 And you can tell from her Twitter that she's obviously a crazy woman. And I personally think

01:01:57.060 emotional abuse is, I personally think emotional abuse is a myth. I know you, you said, you seem

01:02:02.160 to have a different perspective. Would you think emotional abuse is a valid reason to have a

01:02:07.320 divorce if you support no fault divorce?

01:02:09.280 No, no, but, but it, something can be unacceptable behavior though, still within a marriage.

01:02:15.420 Absolutely.

01:02:15.580 But who are you to tell a man how to speak to his wife in his house? Isn't that out of order?

01:02:19.560 I mean, you do that all the time. You call other men simps all the time.

01:02:22.400 But I don't tell them how to talk to their wife. That's your business.

01:02:25.440 That is absolutely not true.

01:02:27.060 So, okay, when, name it, name it, go ahead.

01:02:29.000 Yeah, for sure. There are tons of times where there will be actual men in your comments saying

01:02:33.860 disagree and you call them simps.

01:02:36.060 When I say simps, it typically means out of order. So typically when I say that I'm referring

01:02:40.740 to a pattern of behavior where they're putting women on a pedestal, that's typically what I'm

01:02:45.160 describing.

01:02:46.900 But you'll say that about specific men talking to...

01:02:49.820 But we're going to the what about, you're changing the topic.

01:02:53.580 No, this is the same topic.

01:02:54.220 No, no, no, no, it's a different, because my original question is who are you to tell

01:02:58.140 a man how to talk to his wife in his home?

01:03:00.320 Well, I don't...

01:03:00.820 Do you think, oh, do you think that, do you think you should be able to tell a man how

01:03:03.820 to talk to his wife in his house?

01:03:05.060 I think that men should conduct themselves biblical standards when it comes to...

01:03:08.180 No, no, no, but answer my question. Do you think it's your place to tell men how to

01:03:11.760 talk to their wives in their home? Answer yes or no.

01:03:14.040 I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that a man should hold himself to a Christian

01:03:19.420 standard in the home.

01:03:20.580 Okay, so you do think it's your place. And this is what I mean when I say a lot of conservative

01:03:24.260 women aren't really conservative.

01:03:25.780 That's true.

01:03:26.740 What it ends up being is why women sad, man mean. Women sad, man bad.

01:03:32.840 Because you're first, from a biblical point of view, you're supposed to be obedient to your

01:03:37.960 husband in all things. So before conservative women, we'll talk about the

01:03:41.740 disobedience. Their first thing is their tone.

01:03:44.600 Yes, the tone policing.

01:03:46.160 That's before...

01:03:47.280 Super out of control.

01:03:47.660 But they never... And I can show this because there's video after video after video. Not

01:03:52.100 a single conservative woman said, oh, hey, she didn't listen to her husband. Not one.

01:03:58.900 Not one. That's crazy to me. And then we want to say, like, you know, men, go get married

01:04:03.280 to conservative women. Most of them aren't really conservative.

01:04:05.640 Let's bring up the Lauren Southern story because I think this was actually a big component of

01:04:10.440 Lauren's story. This article was written. I think it was unheard. It was written by a

01:04:13.840 woman who got divorced. And in the story, I think one of the issues was Lauren realizing

01:04:19.820 that just being this obedient, good wife to this man wasn't working. He kept threatening

01:04:25.460 to divorce her and it seemed like nothing was working.

01:04:27.740 Yeah, that's her side of the story.

01:04:30.220 For sure. For sure.

01:04:30.900 And so I doubt it. You were just... Okay, let me get this straight. Okay. So nobody asked

01:04:36.380 questions. You were this perfect angel. You were a perfect angel. All you did was listen

01:04:41.740 to your husband and then he threatened to divorce you all the time. Do you guys hear these stories?

01:04:46.100 You believe this? Come on.

01:04:49.120 That's why I mentioned biblical patriarchy. Lauren talks about how even before they were married,

01:04:53.860 he would do things like leave for days on end, like not talk to her. They were red flags.

01:04:59.240 But why did he leave? And that's what we never talk about. A lot of times when men leave,

01:05:04.460 it is because there is a negative behavior that we don't talk about. Why? For example,

01:05:09.160 what if she cheated? I'm not saying she did. I don't know. I don't know. What if she cheated?

01:05:12.840 Would that be an acceptable reason for him to leave for three days?

01:05:15.840 I know, but the point is, even if that is a red flag, you have a responsibility as a woman

01:05:21.360 to choose someone, to choose a strong leader for yourself. So if you're going into this four

01:05:25.880 months and you're already seeing red flags, it's not trad to say, I will marry him anyway. Like

01:05:30.780 I've not seen Christian dating accounts say, ignore all the red flags.

01:05:36.120 Was he a Christian? Are they a Christian couple though?

01:05:38.700 I think he is.

01:05:40.880 She doesn't. Is she Christian?

01:05:42.620 Like, why are we?

01:05:45.040 So, but my point is that I like Lauren, but she was kind of portraying as this is why

01:05:50.160 my trad relationship didn't work out. I don't think it was a trad relationship.

01:05:54.300 Like, I'll get that.

01:05:54.760 No, but that's, but that's, that's my point. Even trad women do not behave trad.

01:06:00.000 But what is, what is, what is, when I say traditional, traditional is family first above

01:06:05.940 all. The family comes first before me.

01:06:09.040 But I think maybe there's a bias in the system because the women that we hear about are prominent

01:06:13.320 political commentators. They're working women.

01:06:15.040 The traditional mothers don't go on, you know, you know, this is a really good point in terms

01:06:19.760 of the rise of feminism as a whole. The, all these news articles and these columnists, these

01:06:24.400 women writing about what women should or shouldn't do are not traditional mothers. They're working

01:06:29.540 women in offices. So they have this natural bias. My life is good and everything I'm doing

01:06:33.920 is correct. And then the women who are like, my family matters more than anything else.

01:06:38.620 And I'm not concerned about what's going on inside this house. What matters inside this house

01:06:42.040 is my thing. She's not writing these articles. We're not hearing her perspective.

01:06:45.040 Well, I mean, I don't call myself traditional or conservative because I'm like, who's tradition?

01:06:49.560 What tradition? That's very vague, very nebulous and conservative. We haven't conserved anything.

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01:08:19.660 Nothing that's been concerned. So I spent 20 years raising a family before I started doing

01:08:28.060 this and I kind of got into it by accident. I wrote this little book thinking maybe my dad

01:08:31.760 would read it and maybe my grandkids would read it and it just kind of blew up.

01:08:34.460 Now you're killing it.

01:08:35.260 So now here I am. But I have five children. I've homeschooled them. Like I spent 20 years

01:08:40.440 in my house, in my kitchen, chained to the stove. No, I'm just kidding. Doing all of that

01:08:45.720 before I started making commentary on this sort of thing. And yes, I'm sorry, but if

01:08:50.180 you have a whole career outside of your marriage, that complicates things. Women don't want to

01:08:55.460 talk about that, about how difficult it is when you are over here trying to hustle for

01:09:00.100 your career and you have goals that are not related to your family and antithetical to

01:09:05.000 your family, how that is going to interrupt your family life and your marriage.

01:09:08.940 I want to trigger as many feminists as possible. So I'm going to get into this point.

01:09:13.720 So there was a bunch of data that was released by like dating websites on the societal value

01:09:19.900 of men and women. And I think it was OkCupid something like 20 years ago or 15 years ago

01:09:24.460 showing that societal value tracked among like the willingness of people to interact with

01:09:30.580 each other. Women start their whole lives from zero through all their teen years at 100% societal

01:09:39.260 value. They're protected. They're offered opportunities. They have easier time getting entry

01:09:43.640 level jobs. And men start at zero. Young men are considered unskilled, non-valuable,

01:09:49.640 break rocks, kid, earn your place. And then around the mid-20s, a shift starts happening

01:09:56.120 where women start to experience a decline in social value while men experience an incline.

01:10:01.160 Men are becoming more skilled and more valuable as they become stronger and more capable. And not even

01:10:05.960 all men, only a small percentage of them. Whereas as women age, society values them less and less

01:10:11.060 for the obvious reason of the intrinsic value side he had was the ability to have kids.

01:10:16.060 This results in if your whole life, everyone around you is saying you are the best. And then

01:10:22.140 one day you start hearing everyone say you're not so great and men are better. You start to feel like

01:10:26.960 something's being taken away from you. And so one of the hypotheses I have is that for the average guy

01:10:33.120 who grows up in the gutter is more likely to be homeless, more likely to be a victim of crime,

01:10:38.080 less likely to get entry level jobs, much, much harder at a younger age to get a job than women

01:10:42.140 in their teenage years. These guys are like, man, it's rough. Now they're 26 and they're like,

01:10:47.860 life is finally getting good. They're tolerant of the crap. They are used to things being cruddy.

01:10:55.120 And so now they're kind of comfortable. They start hearing women say, man, it's not fair.

01:11:00.360 I'm having these things taken away from me. And the guy thinks this is the least concerning thing

01:11:05.320 I've ever had to deal with in my life. But that then confers to the men saying, sure, fine,

01:11:12.040 whatever. I don't care. I don't care if you're going to do X, Y, or Z or the law says this.

01:11:17.140 I've literally eaten out of a dumpster before. This is not my problem. And so women experiencing

01:11:21.780 decline creates a pressure on our legal system and our society to continually shift everything back

01:11:28.600 into benefiting women. Yeah. Well, I think a lot of women in their 20s and especially into their

01:11:33.540 30s, they experience this. And there are so many TikTok videos of like women in their 30s in their

01:11:39.120 car crying about how they're no longer desirable because a lot of women's worth is the dating

01:11:45.020 marketplace, the sexual marketplace. So when these women aren't married and they don't have kids,

01:11:50.200 they are faced with the reality that, yes, they do have less societal value. And it's terrifying for

01:11:55.320 them because it's only going to get worse. But that is why as a woman, motherhood is amazing.

01:11:59.820 Like I'm going to be turning 30 and I have a lot of friends who are single, 30, like unmarried,

01:12:04.420 they're freaking out. Their prospects look very different from mine. Like, you know, I'm married.

01:12:08.860 I have a family. Like I'm actually of the opinion, like now my life is really just beginning. Like now

01:12:14.020 I'm going on the up and up. You can have more kids. It's a beautiful thing. Like I, I, my life is almost

01:12:18.580 just beginning where it's like, if you are the single girl boss, your life is kind of ending at that

01:12:23.980 point. And it's just, it's so disappointing to see that they don't realize that it didn't have to be

01:12:29.380 this way for them. So with greater, uh, I'm, I think all of you are probably have heard of greater

01:12:34.100 male variability hypothesis. Are you familiar? So, uh, if we look at the strength chart, actually,

01:12:39.680 it's, it's pretty interesting. You can see that, uh, the median male strength, it's, it's, uh, wider

01:12:44.960 than female strength. So greater male variability hypothesis is that there are, uh, there are more

01:12:51.240 failure men, but there are more exceptional men and women tend to be more average.

01:12:55.680 We cluster around the mean.

01:12:57.440 Well, so think about what this means for entering the marketplace. You want to be the girl boss.

01:13:01.100 You want to be the CEO. The, if you look at grip strength, which is not indicative, uh, doesn't

01:13:06.980 necessarily correlate specifically with capability to run a company. Look at the guys in the high

01:13:12.020 end, which are triple, triple the median grip strength, the highest end of guys. There's,

01:13:17.680 there's 500 fortune 500s. There are 330 million Americans. Let's say there's 150. Let's say there's

01:13:25.940 80 million adult males. Only 500 will be top CEOs with that. That means the girl boss who is in her

01:13:34.020 late twenties entering her thirties and thinks, I want to be the CEO, not the mom has to compete with

01:13:38.920 the highest end of the male capability spectrum, which tends to be due to grail, a greater male

01:13:44.760 variability hypothesis. There's going to be 10,000 male geniuses of insane strength fighting each

01:13:52.320 other. And there's going to be 100 females. That means the likelihood of you seeing a fortune 500

01:13:58.520 CEO female is going to be very, very low unless we pass DEI laws.

01:14:02.660 Can I ask a question? I don't know if this is a dumb question, but why does grip strength have to

01:14:08.120 do with CEOs? That's why I said, this is not a direct correlation.

01:14:12.740 I was confused. It tends to be this way in a lot of men are so far ahead of everybody else.

01:14:22.560 Right. This is simply an example of greater male variability. It does not correlate with CEOs.

01:14:28.860 Yeah. It's, it's an example of how in grip strength, almost all women cluster right at the

01:14:33.840 same point, but men look at this. I think IQ is similar. IQ is similar. Again, women are more

01:14:40.360 clustered around the mean. So, so their, their curve is looking more like this. Men look like this. So

01:14:45.700 you're going to have dumber men for sure, but you're also going to have. Sorry. Sorry. I know. I know.

01:14:51.500 I don't, I just look at life outcomes. I know. I know all the academics will say this, the science

01:14:57.200 is proven, whatever. But look, I'm sorry. I have to believe what's in front of my eyes. I've

01:15:02.500 interviewed a thousand men, a thousand women. Women make way dumber life choices. Way like you

01:15:08.160 won't convince me otherwise. Probably what some of the dumbest life choices you could make would be

01:15:11.960 the ones that lead you to be homeless. Homeless are overwhelming. Okay. Yeah. Oh, let's talk about

01:15:15.860 the homeless. I got to address your point. I got to address your point. You said women, uh, make

01:15:23.220 worse life choices. I'd say a man who married a woman who divorced him and took his stuff,

01:15:26.200 made a poor life choice. That's true. People make their own decisions responsible for their

01:15:29.560 own actions. Yeah. Um, I think the equivalent of that would be if I get into a contract with

01:15:34.680 you and you're paid to fuck me over, steal my kids and take my money. Right. So then men

01:15:40.520 shouldn't get married by that logic. So don't get married unless you're absolutely sure you know

01:15:44.720 what you're doing. Or have children by that logic because women are always paid and they're

01:15:48.460 paid to leave. Well, I mean, I'm going to put it back on the idea that women are paid to leave.

01:15:52.200 I actually, I actually, I actually want to. If you're married to like a rich guy, you are better

01:15:56.620 off if you're just interested financially. You, you have access to greater resources by staying

01:16:01.400 married. But what is your, what is your argument that men should get married anyway, even if they

01:16:04.960 risk divorce? No, no, no. My, my argument is, is that men should pick for themselves, but I would never

01:16:10.520 downplay the risk of marriage. And I think it could happen to anyone. Yeah, poor life choice. Even,

01:16:14.460 even, no, even a good woman, even, even, even, all right, rude, but even, even, even, even, no,

01:16:22.420 even a good woman, sometimes women in their twenties change. So they might say one thing in

01:16:27.180 their twenties and then their thirties and forties, they might switch. Look at conservative, look at

01:16:31.500 conservative comment. No, because they are still incentivized to leave. Right. So men shouldn't get

01:16:38.220 married. Oh wait, should or shouldn't. Shouldn't. Well, I'm saying men should pick for themselves,

01:16:41.940 but I would never downplay that risk, but I want to go, I want to go. If they're going to listen to

01:16:46.720 everything you just said and then choose to get married, they made a poor life choice.

01:16:50.640 I, I, I, I'm not saying it's good or bad. I am saying that from a contractual standpoint,

01:16:57.540 it would not be a contract that favors them. Right. So men, so the point is,

01:17:02.200 if you're, if your argument is the system is weighted against you, correct, you can get

01:17:07.880 divorced. Then the logical thing a smart man could do is not get married and have kids.

01:17:13.740 Yeah. If they wanted a contract that favored them. Yes. But I want to, I want to go back to

01:17:18.200 the homeless and the, and the problem you get with a lot of this stuff is that there's not a lot of

01:17:23.260 studies put into men's issues. So a lot of times what, what you see with the data is you're not

01:17:28.640 getting the full picture because most studies that are funded, it's for women and the government

01:17:33.440 is run by feminists. So there's a guy, he, he's out of Michigan. His name is Terrence Popp,

01:17:39.160 really, really smart guy. And he actually followed 1,800 divorces in Michigan. And what he did was

01:17:46.600 he found the reason for the divorces. And he actually followed a lot of those men to homeless

01:17:53.400 shelters. And he found that if he goes to homeless shelters, 70% of the men owe child support.

01:17:57.720 A lot of men are become homeless because of the system.

01:18:02.620 Yes. Yeah. So, but that's, that's my point. So, but you, you, but the way you're painting it is

01:18:07.340 like, oh, if they're homeless, that's just a poor life choice. But I mean, from, from your own logic,

01:18:12.040 if you have sex with a guy who knocks you up, then leaves, that's a poor life choice, right? These

01:18:17.600 are all, we can say poor life choices to some degree that, that gets you there. Doesn't absolve the

01:18:22.600 other person of responsibility either, but you are ultimately at least a little bit culpable for

01:18:27.640 the situation. I'm not saying, I'm not saying they're not culpable, but what I'm saying is

01:18:31.000 that he shouldn't have to be enslaved for 18 years to a woman because he made a poor life choice.

01:18:37.700 And there's no female equivalent of that. I mean, no, because the woman can always put the guy on

01:18:43.420 child support for the most. Having to raise a child that perhaps you did not want in single

01:18:49.200 motherhood, some women would say that. But she's, but she still has the choice to abort.

01:18:53.620 Do you always, she, and adoption as well. You know, there's a case in Utah where a woman wanted

01:18:58.420 to give up a, her son for adoption. The husband wanted it. He wanted to raise, he said, please

01:19:04.440 let me raise. He had no rights. The kid's gone. Do you think women should be drafted?

01:19:09.200 I think as long as we can vote, we should be drafted. I think it's better that we didn't vote,

01:19:14.380 but I think if you're going to give women the freedom, like as long as we have the freedom,

01:19:18.040 give them the responsibility that comes with it, or you can opt out.

01:19:22.100 I talked to Vivek Ramos, told me about this a year ago. He doesn't really stand in this

01:19:26.900 position today, but it was a brilliant idea. He said, maybe it should be, if you want to vote,

01:19:32.080 you have to sign up for the selective service. So this doesn't mean you will be drafted because

01:19:37.640 we haven't had a draft in 50 some odd years. It just means that men and women both would have to

01:19:42.340 say, I am willing to fight when the need arises and then you're allowed to vote. What would happen?

01:19:48.040 Overwhelmingly, liberals would no longer vote and women would no longer vote.

01:19:52.100 Yeah. Right. But that's why you also have to get rid of the 19th amendment because

01:19:55.400 I don't know if you guys saw this, but Sheetz, they're, yeah, Tim, we're going to do this.

01:19:59.640 So Sheetz, it's this like kind of gas station company. They're actually being taken to court

01:20:05.240 by a federal agency for discriminating against black applicants. Why? You might say, well,

01:20:09.720 it turns out part of their screening process is they do a background check on applicants and they

01:20:13.940 don't want people who have a criminal background. Sounds reasonable enough. But what the government

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01:21:49.920 that we care? What does that have to do with the 19th Amendment? No, it's the Civil Rights Act,

01:21:55.960 right? Oh. So basically, the federal agents are actually acknowledging that perhaps this

01:22:01.680 discrimination was not purposeful, right? They weren't trying to discriminate against Black

01:22:06.920 people. But still, because the outcome was inequitable toward Black people, they were still

01:22:11.840 running afoul of the Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination based on like immutable

01:22:16.520 characteristics. So I am in favor of service through citizenship. But the reason why the 19th Amendment

01:22:21.400 is a problem with that is that if it were to be the case that there were some sort of metric for

01:22:25.960 service for voting, and it happened that women were disproportionately not represented, the I could

01:22:32.460 see they would absolutely make the case that that requirement was running afoul of the 19th Amendment

01:22:37.040 because the outcomes were unequal. Yeah, is everybody? Does everybody agree to get rid of the 19th?

01:22:43.120 Is that what you're... Yeah. What are your reasons for it, Pearl? That women shouldn't vote because we

01:22:47.640 don't do equal work. So I think if we're not running the infrastructure, if we're not in the military like

01:22:53.260 men are, we're not paying taxes like men are, I don't think that we should vote. Or dying on oil rigs.

01:22:58.460 Right. Yeah, yeah. Do you, I mean, so it's basically like women aren't contributing enough to society in

01:23:03.080 the same ways with like the taxes and stuff like that? I mean, I think, I think that men are more capable

01:23:11.980 than women by and large, like as a group, but I was trying to think about how you could apply it to today

01:23:18.660 because I don't think today you could just say women shouldn't vote. I mean, I do like the t-shirts. Go get them

01:23:23.920 at theaudacitynetwork.com. They're funny t-shirts, but I don't think that's going to happen. I think the only way you'd limit

01:23:30.920 female vote. But I guess I want to know, like, I want to get to your reasoning. Why?

01:23:35.500 Because I think if you're going to have a say in the policies, you need to be, have some skin in the

01:23:40.940 game. So you need to be running the infrastructure. You need to be a net tax. I mean, I think only 20%

01:23:47.020 of people are net taxpayers anyway. Very small, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think maybe own land. You know,

01:23:51.480 we could go back and forth about what exactly you would need to require in order to vote, but I think

01:23:58.040 you have to have some skin in the game. Otherwise, you're just going to keep voting for benefits.

01:24:02.620 Net taxpayer, real quick, just so everyone understands, something like only 43% of people

01:24:08.040 pay taxes because the rest are on, they don't reach that threshold. But of that 43, many are

01:24:14.340 receiving more in government benefits than they actually pay. So they're still not net taxpayers.

01:24:18.360 I like the net taxpayer for a vote. Yeah, so continuing on that, do you also support repealing the 15th

01:24:24.380 amendment? You have to remind me what the 15th amendment is. I'm sorry, go ahead. It's basically like

01:24:31.100 the 19th, but for black people. So it says the rights of citizens in the U.S. to vote shall not be

01:24:36.260 denied or abridged by the U.S. or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of

01:24:41.020 servitude. I don't think so, but I don't know. I haven't really thought about it. Is that what you

01:24:48.340 think? Well, it's, well, I get, I'm, I'm for like service guaranteeing citizenship and I don't just

01:24:53.760 like, I don't think being a woman should give you the right to vote. I think the same thing applies

01:24:57.020 to race. And if we were to, you know, do something like net, net taxpayer, net, uh, sorry, property

01:25:03.040 owner, et cetera, or even like married households, black people would be disproportionately underrepresented

01:25:08.220 like women would be. So if the 15th amendment is on the books, you're also going to have

01:25:11.980 discrimination that way. So that's why I'm asking why exactly. So you're saying by that they would

01:25:16.400 claim discrimination if we passed those policies. Yeah. Um, well then I guess by that logic,

01:25:22.020 it seems like that would make sense too, but I don't really know. I think I figured out the

01:25:26.040 problem. I think, I think, um, uh, the 28th amendment, the right to vote shall be, or voting

01:25:34.780 shall be granted only to those who have two children or more and are actively in the lives

01:25:41.020 of those children. Now how you make that legal, but the general idea is you got to have two kids

01:25:44.580 and you got to be actively parenting them or they must be adults. And then you're allowed

01:25:48.660 to vote. No, I still think military members should be able to vote and military members.

01:25:52.900 I agree with that. Yeah. So, or like men that, um, have very big like tax, like, you know,

01:25:58.860 like if Jeff Bezos didn't, I don't even, does he have kids? I don't, I don't know, but I'm

01:26:03.340 saying like big companies like that. I think it would be fair. I think, uh, I think all of these

01:26:07.760 things together makes sense. Like the idea that someone can show up and you know, uh,

01:26:13.000 when I think it was 2020, Andrew Yang said, he was going to move to Georgia and of 2020

01:26:17.300 is going to move to Georgia to help, uh, who was it? Warnock or whatever. And I can't

01:26:21.020 remember the guy's name in Georgia win. It's like, you don't live there and you're going

01:26:24.420 to go to their state and vote on how they should be represented is insane. And that's

01:26:28.660 because the, in this country voting is no longer about winning an argument and deciding

01:26:33.660 on how your side should be run. It's about collecting pieces of paper with names on them.

01:26:37.280 That's it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm kind of, I have a little bit of a different take on women

01:26:41.560 voting, even service and these other things. Like even my husband will say, maybe if they're

01:26:46.600 willing to do like years of service or something, I would still say no, based on the argument

01:26:52.300 that the anti-suffragettes made, which was that if you as a woman cannot protect, uh, persons

01:26:58.460 or property, if you're not going to be defending the homeland, if you're not going to be defending

01:27:03.000 your home, why should you be voting? And the reason is like, this kind of lends itself

01:27:07.260 to the bigger conversation of why do we have this idea that women were historically

01:27:10.840 oppressed? Were they actually oppressed? If you go back and read their writings at the

01:27:15.700 time in the 17th, 18th, 19th century, they said, no, we're privileged. And then you'll

01:27:20.360 hear a feminist say something like, well, but they couldn't have bank accounts, but they

01:27:23.740 never tell you why. They never tell you why women didn't have bank accounts or credit

01:27:28.080 cards. And it's because legally women could not be held responsible for supporting the family.

01:27:33.200 Can you see all this debt we have now?

01:27:34.940 They couldn't be held. Yeah. Women could not accrue debt that way. And what would be the

01:27:39.820 point of a woman owning a bunch of land if she can't make the land produce anything? She can't

01:27:44.920 defend the land against people who might come and try to take it. There were practical reasons for

01:27:50.780 these things. It wasn't just the evil patriarchy trying to keep women down. And I think those

01:27:55.220 things still apply. Even with modern warfare, you have drone technology. You have, we just talked

01:27:59.380 about guns and how even with guns, men are much better with them than women are. They're just

01:28:04.200 loading, reloading. Anytime you're in a combat situation, men are going to be better. Why would

01:28:09.300 we want to task women with defense of persons and property? So why would we want to grant them

01:28:15.780 voting? I would be so pissed if I called the cops and they sent me a female cop. I'd be so pissed.

01:28:20.920 If there's a natural disaster, there's like a huge hurricane that takes out the entire Southeast,

01:28:25.480 right? And the power's out. You have a female firefighter. Nobody's like, oh, I'm an athlete.

01:28:31.300 I'm six foot. I'm like, I'm taller than most. What are you going to do that I can't do?

01:28:35.560 Right, right. So I wanted to, um, I wanted to bring up, so your Nala video, what did I do that

01:28:42.400 was so wrong about Nala? I wanted to talk about this whore. Yeah. So, you know, this is a thing where

01:28:50.240 we brought it up when I was talking to Andrew, uh, Rachel's husband, uh, you can find him at the

01:28:55.460 crucible. I believe it's his channel. Um, so basically I am of the belief that if you are a

01:29:02.360 new convert, you should not be in any type of leadership position at a church, especially as

01:29:07.720 a woman, like pastor. No, a woman should never have any leadership role in a church. Yeah. To begin

01:29:12.860 with. That's a red flag. Yeah. Basically, if you're going to church and just like, this is the

01:29:16.160 female pastor. So we'd agree. Well, hang on, but so I don't disagree with everything you said about

01:29:20.820 her, but basically you had some tweets saying like, Jesus won't save these hoes. And I think

01:29:26.520 it's, it's reasonable to be skeptical. And you know, you were kind of digging on whether Nala is

01:29:31.420 or is not still engaging. She raised her OnlyFans prices after she, that this is confirmed. She raised

01:29:36.960 her OnlyFans prices after she was saved. Right. I think anything from that, she's full of shit.

01:29:43.740 Yeah. So I'm not, I'm not here to, I support you trying to keep her accountable. I don't think

01:29:48.340 that's a bad thing. Then why did I get a 30 minute video on me? Well, it wasn't, I don't know. It

01:29:53.720 was 30 minutes just on you. I was going through a bunch of tweets. Classic woman exaggerating the

01:29:58.140 number. Sorry, I'm still a woman. Yeah. What can you do? Do you, like, do you, do you think it is

01:30:05.900 possible for Christ to save someone like Nala? It's possible, but I need some evidence. I need some

01:30:11.360 evidence that you've done something before we put her on a show and say, this woman is saved

01:30:16.600 because it's going to deter people from Christianity in the longterm. If men, you know, see they're

01:30:22.220 putting pre OnlyFans whores as preachers in churches now. Sorry. I don't know if that's

01:30:26.760 going to affect YouTube, but, but, and so I think when someone's clearly full of shit,

01:30:32.380 we got to call them out on it. Do you not see that there could be kind of a middle ground where

01:30:37.060 we say, Hey, it is amazing. You've come to Christ. Let us encourage you in your walk with a

01:30:40.920 new Christian as a new Christian while also like simultaneously not saying, Hey, let's

01:30:45.700 make this person. Would you, would you let a reformed pedophile buy kids in church? They said,

01:30:52.560 sorry, would you let them buy the kids? Buy the kids? Buy the kid. Would you let them in the church

01:30:56.680 freely? A reformed pedo? No, I don't think you can be a reformed pedophile. So why are we bringing

01:31:01.060 a reform, a reformed hoe who said she wanted to sleep with married men and love to get them to cheat

01:31:07.700 around married men? No, you put them in the back of the church. You say, why don't you show us that

01:31:11.840 you actually put your money where your mouth is, do some work and then come back. I don't have a

01:31:16.960 problem with that either. So then I shouldn't have got this video. Well, you said Jesus can't save

01:31:21.800 these hoes. That's the issue, right? Yeah. They have to, they have to, they have to, they have to,

01:31:24.960 they have to save them. They have to at least delete the only fans. Well, people say she has

01:31:31.380 deleted it now. Okay. So she deleted it the day before the Michael Knowles interview. She was

01:31:36.140 saved in December. She had one month, two months, three months, four months, five months. She raised

01:31:42.460 her prices and didn't delete it till the day before. And then I'm still finding, um, telegram

01:31:48.100 chats. And then the women, it's like, and I don't know if those look legit. So I, I, but my point is

01:31:54.340 what you should make sure that all your shit's at least down before you come out and start preaching.

01:31:59.680 If you really gave a shit, it's definitely sketchy. I would say. And I think the problem

01:32:03.380 is with conservatives, like so eager and desperate to find anyone that could potentially be on their

01:32:07.880 side. Now, like you see Bill Maher, for instance, if Bill Maher is, he's clearly a liberal, he'll say

01:32:12.080 free speech is good. Well, bad conservatives are like, this is our guy, even though he's like a Trump

01:32:16.960 hater, clearly not conservative, a liberal. He's just not super woke, but right. We're just so

01:32:21.880 desperate. So that's why Nala was propped up by everyone. But I want to, I want to show what's

01:32:25.680 happens. Cause this happens in churches all the time. Right now you make a video defending an

01:32:30.240 OnlyFans chick, but Crowder couldn't get the benefit of the doubt. I know I've known Crowder for a long

01:32:35.600 time. Like that's, that's a different issue. I don't know. But we all know what she did on the

01:32:40.420 internet. She was getting tag teamed by two dudes eight months ago. I think you should, you should,

01:32:46.420 use her. I think the idea that it, whether or not she's truly formed is immaterial to the fact

01:32:52.260 that she's become a propaganda tool for virtue. Yeah. But why would you want her to do that if

01:32:57.160 she's going to go back later? What is, what, like what evidence, like, and this is what, this is why

01:33:03.360 you have young men. I know you said it's some young men are going to Orthodox, but by and large men are

01:33:08.780 leaving the church. They're leaving the woke churches and they're going back to the really

01:33:13.120 traditional, like the Roman Catholic Latin mass, the Eastern Orthodox, the really traditional,

01:33:17.360 like Lutherans or Baptists are seeing. You, you have to make it more profitable for her to stay

01:33:22.520 as, as a, as a reformed, uh, uh, individual. So if the issue is, uh, an OnlyFans hooker comes out

01:33:29.920 and says, I, I am reformed. I've seen the light. And then prominent people say, we will never accept

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01:35:07.100 Don't work. Anything. My God. Could you go to a convent? I mean, she was getting tag teamed

01:35:14.900 by two dudes. So eight months ago. So it's like, okay, could we send her to, I don't know,

01:35:21.540 some missionary or something?

01:35:23.640 And so the response from the right should be like, wow, that's...

01:35:26.300 I don't know. Keep her away from the married men.

01:35:29.620 The response should be...

01:35:31.600 We judge them by their works. I think the response should be, we accept you, but let us see the fruit

01:35:36.740 of Christ within your life. And I think people have been critical about, well, all the millions

01:35:41.680 that you've made essentially leading young men to sin. I think it would be a great show of faith if

01:35:47.940 she were to do something with that money, whether it be charitable to a church donation, something

01:35:53.640 like that, maybe even specifically a men's organization, because that's the group that

01:35:57.720 she was predating on and exploiting.

01:35:59.280 And what you're communicating to young women is you can do whatever you want, say sorry,

01:36:03.140 and here's your media career.

01:36:04.180 Yeah, that is the Catholic church. That's right. You can go and ask for forgiveness. And if you truly

01:36:08.660 mean it, it is granted to you.

01:36:09.600 But we should be advocating for women to try to change their lives, right? I agree it's fake.

01:36:13.480 Well, I don't have a problem with women changing their lives. What I

01:36:17.860 find offensive actually is using Christianity as a grift.

01:36:21.020 I totally agree.

01:36:21.900 And I just find that offensive.

01:36:23.380 Except that, and I agree with you, but I would say if people begin to believe that the better

01:36:28.980 grift is not in being a hooker, but being a Christian, that's winning the culture war.

01:36:32.660 Yeah, that's true.

01:36:33.500 And I think you could argue that, but those women tend to be so damaged, they tend to do

01:36:38.740 the same thing. And what you see over long periods of time is now you have predatory women

01:36:43.960 in the church.

01:36:44.880 No, I agree. I agree.

01:36:45.780 But oftentimes, young men that don't know better end up marrying these chicks.

01:36:49.560 And so I would agree with you on that, Patsy. I'm just saying, at the very least, her attempt

01:36:53.400 at this grift, if it is a grift, shows that she believed the right side of history and

01:36:58.500 the profitable side of history is virtue, not degeneracy. It doesn't mean she's not a

01:37:02.440 degenerate. It just means she's being like, ooh, there's more money over here.

01:37:04.960 My argument is, I think it's funny how conservatives give an OnlyFans whore the benefit of the doubt,

01:37:13.840 but they won't do that for Steven Crowder.

01:37:16.040 I agree with that.

01:37:16.680 And I see that same pattern of behavior.

01:37:19.340 And I see that same pattern of behavior at churches across the country.

01:37:27.420 I feel that way with Andrew Tate, right? Andrew Tate is someone who he got rich, you know, webcam

01:37:32.460 industry people. There are some people who are still very, very against him for being a pornography

01:37:37.340 peddler. He has since like, you know, he's Muslim now. He hasn't really, he basically still believes

01:37:43.860 like, I did what I had to do. I had no money. So he hasn't really apologized for it. But at the same

01:37:47.540 time, that's not the same person who he is today. But you still have conservatives who are like,

01:37:52.680 they basically blacklisted him because of that. Meanwhile, Nala, they're like open arms. Now,

01:37:58.800 I think that maybe it's not the direct comparison because Andrew Tate is not a Christian. He is Muslim.

01:38:05.000 But I do see that you have a point there. They're way more open to Nala changing than someone like

01:38:10.780 Andrew Tate. Simps. Yeah. We have this idea. We have this idea that women are born angelic and

01:38:18.760 innocent until some bad man somewhere does something to her to make her become a bad lady. And then she

01:38:25.620 can reform and we all clap and it's great. There's no grace for men like that. Like when men change

01:38:31.020 their ways, they used to be degenerate in some way. Then they come to Christianity. There's not as much

01:38:35.960 applause. There's not, they don't usually do a podcasting tour. They don't usually come out with

01:38:40.940 merch, you know, and all this other stuff that, because we're seeing this as a trend, right? These

01:38:45.680 ex-strippers, ex-only fans, girls coming to Christ. But it, my problem with it is it always comes with

01:38:51.060 donate to my ministry. Here's my cash app. Buy my Jesus Loves You shirt. Let me sell rosaries for $200.

01:38:56.180 I'm like, why can't you just read the Bible? Like traditionally in my church, when we had,

01:39:00.800 Saint Mary of Egypt was one of our most famous and most venerated saints because she was probably

01:39:06.360 the depths of degeneracy for a woman. She was like a prostitute. She was a nympho. And when she

01:39:12.560 converted, she did not start a podcasting tour or a ministry or, you know, something where you had to

01:39:19.020 give her money. It was nothing like that. She went into the desert alone for decades and just like

01:39:23.720 prayed and became very virtuous privately. Yeah. And generally what our church traditionally

01:39:30.560 has prescribed for women who come from that level of degeneracy is something more like a monastic

01:39:36.360 path or something where, you know, they have to take a lot of time because it's not something you

01:39:40.920 just flip a switch and now I'm good. It's like, it takes a long time. Can I say one more thing that I

01:39:47.100 find annoying? I'm just going to put this out there. These, these people, these only fans whores keep

01:39:52.120 are like, Oh, Pearl, I'll pray for you. I'm like, what did I do? I just said words you don't like.

01:39:56.380 You got tag teamed by two dudes. I'll pray for you. And I'm like, I'm like, you can take your

01:40:01.160 prayers and shove them because I know what you're saying. They got real mad at me when I called them

01:40:04.860 hookers. That actually, that was such a funny. You got the hoe pronouns wrong. Well, because there

01:40:09.920 was a woman and she was like, how dare you call my friend a hooker, which there's nothing wrong with

01:40:13.500 at all. Then I'm like, then it's not an insult. It's a description. Like she could have been like,

01:40:17.560 I think you are misdescribing my friend and said, it was like outrage. It appeared in a Hulu

01:40:22.460 documentary. I'm like, dude, I think, I think only fans is just today's version of hooking. Yeah.

01:40:28.560 Yeah. You go to a virtual hooking. Yeah. When they didn't have the photograph, a guy would have

01:40:32.640 to go to a building to find a woman to get a show, a burlesque show or something. Now women are going

01:40:37.520 on only fans. And I would say people are asking like, what's the difference between like stripping

01:40:40.840 and only fans? Why would you call that hooking? Because of the personal relationship that people think

01:40:45.220 they're getting. Yeah. You go on the app and you think you're talking to this woman and she's

01:40:49.060 giving you your pleasure and your, your, your titillation for money. I do want to clarify

01:40:54.460 though. There was some survey where they asked men, knowing that the majority of these only fans,

01:41:00.360 uh, they call them models. Ridiculous. I know. So, so I'll just say this knowing that the survey

01:41:06.040 said, ask guys, do you care that you're actually sexting and having perverse conversations with men

01:41:11.840 who are being paid to do it? They said, no, I don't care. Wow. Men didn't care. They were like,

01:41:16.240 doesn't matter to me because porn makes men gay. It does. Yeah. It's actually an article on my

01:41:20.780 sub stack about how I think that happened. Um, but this is Schrodinger's feminist, right? Women are

01:41:26.360 strong and empowered when they're only fans models, but also if you call them a hooker, now she's an

01:41:31.700 innocent victim and you're mean because you're probably emotionally abusive. I think women are more

01:41:36.420 sexual than men. And the reason I think that is because when media is catered to women, it's like

01:41:41.520 pretty much sexuality is at the, at the core of it. So if you were talking about podcasts earlier,

01:41:46.520 name one pop star who's not a sexual person. Yeah. And as the media becomes more female focused,

01:41:51.500 it becomes way more sexual. Well, I would say women get the power from sex. Like that's how they get into

01:41:56.460 the rooms. They sleep with their bosses. They get this information. Like that's really the only thing

01:42:00.680 that women have above men is because women control the access to sex. So men need to not have sex with

01:42:06.240 these women because that's, what's giving these hoes the power. But most, but most men can't. And

01:42:11.000 that's the problem is women get sexual access from a much younger age and they sleep with a small

01:42:15.780 percentage of men. So most men are not sleeping around. So it's like, again, we put the onus on

01:42:20.540 what five, 10% of men that get sexual access at a young age. And then it's like conservatives tell men,

01:42:26.760 well, you guys are the bad guys for sleeping around. And the men, the men get to like 22. They look for

01:42:32.280 a wife. None of the women want to be wives. They don't want to marry them. And so you're saying,

01:42:35.760 okay, don't have sex till what? They're 30. Yeah. Good luck. This is another big problem,

01:42:40.180 right? With the trad con right, the Christian right telling everybody, well, men and women

01:42:45.300 both should be virgins until they get married. It's like, but people don't get married till 30, 31.

01:42:49.660 Yeah. And that's women. And that's women picking it.

01:42:52.280 Here's the other big thing we need to think about. Women, even good Christian virtuous women

01:42:56.700 don't want virgin men. I wish they did, but they don't. If a man makes it to 25 as a virgin,

01:43:02.960 even like the really nice girls at church generally don't want him. They still want

01:43:07.340 the player, the guy that has experience because the other women, it's like a signal we send to

01:43:12.340 each other as women that he's successful. He's worthwhile because all the other women want him.

01:43:16.600 Well, I think it, I don't think it's that Christian women don't want virgin men. Christian women want

01:43:20.300 men who are highly sought after by other women. So what you would want is like the Chad,

01:43:25.180 like deus volt, uh, kind of Knights Templar, Christian guy with the big jaw who is literally

01:43:30.980 like, he has all these women and he's just like stoically trying to push them away, but

01:43:35.700 he manages to like succumb to your temptation.

01:43:38.900 I think that worked when we all got married at 18 or 20.

01:43:43.240 Yeah.

01:43:43.360 I think that worked, but it's not going to, if you're telling all the women that you must,

01:43:47.900 and this is what happened to me, right? I was a smart kid. I was always in like advanced

01:43:51.880 classes and it was like, I'm going to college. I was told from kindergarten, you're going to

01:43:56.420 college. You're going to have a career. And when I decided I didn't want to do that. And I had my

01:44:00.320 first child at 20, everyone around me, even my Christian conservative women around me who should

01:44:06.220 have been supportive were like, Oh no, what a tragedy. Rachel will never be anything. Her life

01:44:10.960 is over. She's a loser now. She's never going to do anything with all of her gifts because she's

01:44:16.360 just a mom. And this is the overwhelming propaganda that we've had for like 60 years now.

01:44:21.880 Telling women, young girls, if you want to be a good girl and be successful, focus on school,

01:44:28.920 go to college. Even if that means the average woman graduates with 40,000 in debt and then spend

01:44:34.720 your twenties building your career so that because why, why? Because you're vulnerable. If you don't

01:44:40.480 have your own money, if you depend on your husband for income, that makes you vulnerable to abuse and

01:44:44.980 you should be scared. We also have to look at what women choose and want to do. We have the freedom to

01:44:49.100 do anything that we want. Unfortunately, women are picking to be whores. Like that's another under 35,

01:44:55.740 you know, and people will dispute what exactly the number is. And, but anecdotally interview,

01:45:01.280 I would say rough a quarter of women have done some sort of sex work, whether it's, whether it's

01:45:06.780 escorting. That seems high. And there's more, there's more only fans models than teachers right

01:45:14.320 now. They tried to community notes me on this, but I have it. Dr. David Baker, you can look it up.

01:45:19.160 And this is, this is, and the thing is, and what you'll find with a lot of female stats is stats

01:45:25.920 that make women look bad are always, it's always under exaggerated how bad women are. Like for example,

01:45:34.120 the CDC says the average body count is five to eight for women. But if I, if I survey men and say

01:45:40.040 five to eight, they're like, that would be a miracle. And it's like, if you survey a thousand

01:45:46.000 people and you're actually in the field, getting feedback from people, it's a different picture.

01:45:50.140 But I feel like there is selection bias there, right? Cause there's the statisticians,

01:45:53.640 there's an entire, absolutely. Oh, sorry. I thought you meant for me. Go keep going.

01:45:56.960 Oh no. I'm listening. I'm listening.

01:45:58.960 Statisticians, like trying to get a sample that's actually representative of the general population is

01:46:03.540 something that people spent, like Scott Rasmussen has made an entire career, launched several

01:46:07.280 companies over his ability to accurately sample. So, I mean, I'm not saying that there aren't areas

01:46:12.940 like London, Miami, where absolutely girls are talking about like 10 to 15, and that's just seen

01:46:17.260 as the norm. But I don't think it's fair to kind of extrapolate that to also like this small rural

01:46:21.820 Midwestern town. But even so the issue that you're going to get, especially with younger women now is

01:46:27.940 that they're moving to the big cities. Like I had a chick on my show. She was a virgin from the middle

01:46:32.220 of nowhere. Do you know where she lives now? London? Miami. I like her. No offense. If you're

01:46:39.440 watching this, no offense. But it's like, she's doing the same moves that even like even more

01:46:44.620 promiscuous woman wanted. She was the only out of a thousand women. I think I believed maybe two

01:46:50.500 that they were virgins. Well, when you say that women have, we've had the choice for over a hundred

01:46:55.420 years now to do what we want. Even aside from sex work, if you look at the top 20 most commonly

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01:48:37.820 Other than that, women still are secretaries, nurses, teachers, daycare workers, administrative

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01:49:10.320 and pretend I give a shit about it. And like serve your corporate boss instead of your husband.

01:49:14.360 And then I really think that women should never, pretty much never leave the home. I think when

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01:49:28.440 Yeah, like my husband and I are always home. He works from home too. So I'm always with him. I never

01:49:32.860 see anyone else. The only men I see is like men from church, his family, our family, and I'm always with

01:49:38.560 him. And I just think like there's such a gateway for cheating. Divorce rates will rise. And also

01:49:44.420 when women make their own income, they like feminism tells them you need, you will be unsafe if you

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01:49:58.600 not married legally. We're married just in the church because the legal system does affect men in a

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01:50:13.880 True.

01:50:14.520 And I talked to one of the guys that like calculates child support. And he said, if you want to like

01:50:19.120 have the minimal amount of risk, you need a chick that earns what you earn. And it does have the

01:50:23.540 problems you described. But I'm saying, you know, if we want traditional outcomes, we have to reward

01:50:28.000 them. And right now we don't.

01:50:29.100 And that's what sucks because there's pros and cons to everything. And you're never going to

01:50:32.400 have a foolproof system. And actually, if you do look at child custody laws, and when it comes to

01:50:37.700 parental rights, dads actually have more rights if they're married to the mother, because if they

01:50:42.980 aren't, they have all these extra steps and hurdles they have to go through. They have to prove the

01:50:46.760 paternity. They have to do all these things.

01:50:48.160 If you're married, it's a soon paternity.

01:50:49.680 So yeah, but that's so I thought that too. And I actually, because after, I think Trent Horn said that

01:50:54.960 during our debate. And so I asked like the guy that calculates child custody, you can sign

01:50:59.080 the birth certificate. I can't remember the exact name, but there's something guys can sign to get

01:51:03.320 the same rights.

01:51:04.640 Okay, so that's beneficial. But even if they're not married, they still have to pay child support,

01:51:08.600 which I agree.

01:51:09.220 Yeah, and if they're in California, for example, like you get after 20 years or something,

01:51:14.560 you get on alimony. And the years that from my research, divorces have popped up. It's five years,

01:51:21.180 13 years, 21 and 24.

01:51:23.360 Yeah, well, the divorce courts just screw men over. I mean, it's awful. No wonder why marriage

01:51:27.480 it's kidnapping. You can legally kidnap a child. And I talked to men every day. You know, it's crazy.

01:51:32.200 The worst ones are military. Military guys have it so bad.

01:51:36.000 And they have pretty hard divorce rates as well.

01:51:37.820 And think about how many men have committed suicide in the last 50 years. Over 400,000 men

01:51:42.120 have committed suicide. And from my research, roughly 70% have had contact with family court

01:51:49.520 in the last five years. This is literally killing men and nobody cares. And they just say,

01:51:53.280 men, man up and marry anyway. And I just think it's a poor solution. The courts have to change first.

01:51:58.000 And see, if we're going to be talking about like, okay, what are issues or what are the solutions

01:52:01.800 here? Because we've been talking a lot about issues. So Pearl, do you think the focus should

01:52:05.900 just be on changing the laws?

01:52:07.400 Yeah, I think that's got to happen first. Because regardless of what I say, I'm just some random

01:52:12.280 chick with opinions. I can't change the laws. I think regardless of what I say, young men are

01:52:18.300 looking at the market and they're saying, okay, the young women my age, one, they don't want to date

01:52:22.600 me. Two, they have incredibly high standards. The quality is lower than ever before. And if I want

01:52:28.140 to get married, generally, they're going to have to compromise on something. And then they're going

01:52:32.440 to look at the risk that goes with it. And many men just aren't going to do it. You know, I had one

01:52:37.080 guy in California, or in Texas, $1.5 million he spent on his divorce. He sees his kid every other

01:52:42.200 weekend. California, he spent $300,000 trying to get his kid back. His kid speaks another language. He

01:52:47.260 hasn't seen him in three years. He doesn't even speak the same language as his kid. These

01:52:51.400 are common, especially military, because military will go for like eight months at a time. So

01:52:56.480 many military men come back, their wife is gone, all their stuff is gone. And people will

01:53:03.180 say, oh, just, it's your fault because you picked the wrong woman. Oh, you didn't, like,

01:53:06.860 okay, he was gone for eight months. And a lot of those men end up homeless.

01:53:11.580 So you think, would you agree with Jordan Peterson on enforced monogamy?

01:53:14.980 Um, what, what is his opinion on it?

01:53:19.020 The, the, it was misconstrued for sure by the woke corporate press. They, they, like,

01:53:23.460 they painted this picture of like fat incels, neckbeards, assigning, getting assigned women.

01:53:29.320 He meant socially, we should, we should, it should be a cultural pressure that you, you,

01:53:34.220 there was monogamy that society doesn't look fondly on people who are promiscuous or polyamorous

01:53:39.360 and things like that. So, so basically if, if people feared cancel, like imagine cancel

01:53:44.160 culture, you got, you got emails being like, you're a degenerate. How could you cheat on

01:53:48.560 your wife or your husband? And people were like, no, I, I could not get a divorce. You

01:53:52.160 know, I'll lose my job, that kind of thing.

01:53:54.360 Well, I don't think that'll happen.

01:53:56.940 Well, I'm not saying I think it'll happen either. I'm just saying, like, do you agree

01:54:00.440 that society should be structured in a way?

01:54:01.420 I liked Myron had a tweet recently that said that women that cheat on their military husbands

01:54:06.180 when they're deployed should face jail time. I don't think that that's far-fetched.

01:54:11.960 No, and that's the thing, like military men have it so bad.

01:54:16.060 You're like literally compromising the national security by doing that.

01:54:20.620 Jail time.

01:54:21.580 Yeah, jail time.

01:54:22.540 Maybe not jail time, but I don't think there's a problem with jail time, yeah.

01:54:26.880 Do, I mean.

01:54:27.920 Well, because they're getting paid. When, when, when a guy, a man or woman joins the army,

01:54:31.180 if they get married, you get, you get base housing.

01:54:33.400 Right. So what happens though, is they come back from the military and what they'll do

01:54:37.740 is the women will go to court and say, it's, I've been raising the kid for eight months.

01:54:41.480 It's in the best interest of the child to stay with me.

01:54:43.980 Yeah.

01:54:44.440 Well, he's been serving our country for eight months. How is that fair? And a lot of times

01:54:48.520 women also, they can get restraining orders. So like me and you get into a fight, I get

01:54:52.560 a restraining order, right? And then I can go to court and say, oh, he hasn't been with

01:54:56.200 the kid in three months.

01:54:57.580 Andrew had a woman on his show last week who, this is her words. She said when she graduated,

01:55:03.240 high school and realized she was going to have to pay her own bills, she kind of freaked

01:55:07.260 out and married her high school boyfriend because he was going into the military and

01:55:10.540 was going to have this reliable income. But you know, several years down the line, he's

01:55:14.700 getting deployed all the time. He's always busy and he didn't pay enough attention to

01:55:18.520 her. So she divorced him.

01:55:20.400 Yeah. Well, no, seriously ask. I was just at, um, and this is what you start to notice

01:55:25.120 patterns. Ask any military guy. If he had, if you know someone that has a divorce horror

01:55:29.660 story, they all do. I went to, sorry, I was going to say like, I, I myself, and I

01:55:34.780 know a lot of other women who would flat out just not date anyone actively in the

01:55:38.840 military because you have to assume they're going to get deployed. So if you're going

01:55:42.460 into a relationship with someone and that like attention is important to you, what are

01:55:47.080 you thinking? Like that it's their job.

01:55:49.780 Sorry, sorry. Adultery is illegal in the military.

01:55:51.840 Oh, good. Oh, uh, but I don't know if that applies to women or the issue is there's so

01:55:56.920 many workarounds with this stuff. Like, you know, the, they changed the definition of

01:56:02.000 abuse to include a moat. That's why I say it's feminist language because abuse used to

01:56:05.560 be a man hitting a woman and then they expand. Like that's what women do first is they change

01:56:09.100 the definition of words. So it used to be abuse. Now we have emotional abuse, financial

01:56:13.200 abuse, and, and there's just so many loopholes and it's so confusing, um, that women can

01:56:19.580 really use the system to steal children from men. And then that causes every problem in

01:56:26.300 society, homelessness, school shooters, because women are raising men and that's just not good

01:56:32.200 for society.

01:56:33.140 Well, in Quebec, which is, I mean, probably the most socially liberal part of Canada, which

01:56:37.660 is already socially liberal. They have done a lot of, they're basically, it's one of those

01:56:41.200 places where no one gets married. People cohabitate. It's, it's so feminist in Quebec that you

01:56:45.980 actually legally cannot take your husband's last name. If you are in Quebec, you can change

01:56:49.960 your name to whatever you want it, but if you're married and a wife, you cannot take

01:56:53.280 your husband's last name. They won't let you.

01:56:55.180 Super bizarre.

01:56:55.480 There were too many divorces and it kind of caused like a paperwork nightmare for the

01:56:59.500 bureaucracy. So eventually they just said no one's changing their name anymore. Um, there's

01:57:03.660 a lot of divorces as well. And it's interesting because in Quebec, it basically, there's also

01:57:08.880 common law marriage, which is something I don't think is very common in the state, but if you

01:57:13.480 live together, are conjugally together, we are going to determine your spouses. They

01:57:18.560 also have, or if you have a ceremony, it's like, yeah, the men say, we don't want to sign

01:57:22.360 up. And they're like, we're going to make you sign up.

01:57:24.360 Exactly. No, actually sometimes in some cases they will determine couples are married, even

01:57:29.200 if they say that they're not because they want to tax them at a higher bracket. It's

01:57:32.820 like, no, no, you guys were living together. We're going to say you're married. Um, but as

01:57:36.960 a result, so it's, it's kind of like a microcosm of like, how far can we go? Like getting

01:57:40.880 rid of the institution of marriage. But one thing I think they do do well is when it comes

01:57:44.980 to child custody, both parents are assumed to have equal possession, equal rights to

01:57:49.620 their children. And a lot of, I had never growing up in Asia, I had never met a divorce

01:57:53.820 family until I went to school in Canada. It just never happened. The idea of like double

01:57:57.820 barreled last names, new concept to me, but you would usually see kids would do one week

01:58:03.080 with mom, one week with dad.

01:58:04.280 And what's interesting with child custody is that why women became default parents was because

01:58:09.500 of the tender years doctrine and women actually argued that we should have default parenthood

01:58:14.540 because we're the ones that are better at taking care of the home and children. And

01:58:17.960 now the courts have ruled that women get default parent, um, child custody. And what's funny

01:58:22.480 is now we have feminism where women say, no, we're equal to men. We are just like men.

01:58:27.000 We can go into the workplace. We don't need being home and taking care of the kids. That's

01:58:30.800 not for women anymore. So why isn't that reversed? And it's because women just have all the

01:58:34.500 emotional. And it's not even true. Um, like women are more violent with children than men.

01:58:40.960 Well, I was going to say, there's a piece on my sub stack about this going over the last 45 years

01:58:47.460 of data from the national incident study, which is far more comprehensive than the data that Michael

01:58:52.220 Knowles referenced. They're always, they always lie with it. He picked one year from one CPS study and

01:58:58.340 he actually didn't even get the data right there. Cause I went back and checked, but if you checked,

01:59:03.220 you were wrong, we have 45, 45 years now of major propaganda that has convinced the public that the

01:59:10.540 main threat to women is their husbands. That if you're going to be abused or mistreated, maltreated

01:59:15.100 in any way that your husband's going to be the guy. And that's what you have to guard against.

01:59:18.740 That's what you have to be careful of. But if you look at the national incident studies,

01:59:22.940 which takes data from not just CPS, but all reporting agencies, including like women's

01:59:28.060 shelters, emergency rooms, school counselors, all that sort of thing. It's actually the migrants.

01:59:32.920 No, it's actually boyfriend, girlfriends living together or, um, mom gets a divorce and stepdad

01:59:39.080 moves and mom's boyfriend. The lowest incidence of abuse for women and children is with the children's

01:59:46.280 married biological father living in the home. When you remove the married biological father,

01:59:50.740 it puts both women and children at the highest risk for every type of maltreatment that there

01:59:56.160 is like not even close. So I factor of like 12 times depending on the living situation.

02:00:01.520 Yeah. And so that's why even like women are more nurturing. I don't, I don't think that's true

02:00:05.040 because I don't, I don't see any evidence like, you know, infanticide or in the first year,

02:00:09.980 if the kid dies, police don't even really look into women. It's almost, or sorry, into men

02:00:14.740 because it's assumed it's going to be a woman because men basically never kill the kid within

02:00:19.600 the first year. It's almost always women. But what happens is whenever there's something that

02:00:23.940 makes women look bad, there's always a gut reaction to give her, give an excuse. So it makes people

02:00:29.000 uncomfortable. There's something like man versus bear in the woods. Oh, wait, what's the, okay.

02:00:36.600 You have to choose. You're in the woods. You're lost in the woods. Would you rather be lost with a

02:00:41.000 bear or a man? Oh, a man. Okay. But didn't you know that men kill more women than bears every

02:00:48.000 year? So, so shouldn't you be safer with the bear? Yeah, but they also save more women every year

02:00:55.760 when you look at the military and police officers. It's women math. So the most doctors, if you look

02:01:00.580 at all the per capita, that's not the same. Yeah, exactly. But like we're talking about per capita,

02:01:04.420 right? So the reason why you're still better off choosing the man, even though the bear doesn't kill

02:01:08.920 as many people and statistically is because there's a proximity difference. You're going

02:01:12.300 to be interacting with men a lot more. So the argument, yeah, the argument, I know what you're

02:01:16.400 going to say. The argument is that because women are with children more, they're more likely to kill

02:01:20.260 them again. An excuse. And it's not true because, because, because, so again, so women, women, women

02:01:26.480 have, um, and, but the part you didn't put in there and this is what they always do. It's always a

02:01:30.500 lie. No offense, but it's that, it's that, no, I know what she's going to say. It's, you're,

02:01:35.080 you're going to try to argue that it's pretty much equal for men and women abuse, but if it's a man

02:01:39.660 that abuses the children, it's a stepdad. So whose fault is that? The woman. And so that's the most

02:01:44.120 likely one. And then, and then we're going to go, and then we're going to go, then we're going to go.

02:01:49.880 Yeah. Yeah. So the woman, no, if the woman, if you, oh no. And I've interviewed men on the other

02:01:54.320 hand. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not the stepfather's fault for abusing? No, no, no, no. If a woman,

02:01:58.040 you are absolutely responsible. Okay. And I'll, I'll tell you, I've interviewed, so I interviewed a guy in

02:02:02.420 London. He, um, he actually, his wife left him. She wasn't happy. She left, right? Took his kids

02:02:11.860 and she got primary custody. Do you know who was in the house with the kids? A pedophile,

02:02:16.440 a fricking pedophile. That woman is responsible for anything that happens because she brought that

02:02:21.700 kid into the house. 100%. And that man is also responsible for. But we're going back to biological,

02:02:26.200 okay. But you, but you see, you keep, you keep straw manning me. This is, this is the, this is the

02:02:30.220 thing. Men, male parent, biological, female parent, biological. The woman is not the best one with

02:02:36.380 the child. It is the man. And the abuse thing, cause you're, you're trying to say is that women,

02:02:41.820 um, you're trying to say that because women are with the children more, they're more abusive.

02:02:46.380 We, we, we talked about this. If that was true, then as women have spent less time with children,

02:02:51.940 the incidence of abuse would go, have gone down, but they, as they have spent less time with children,

02:02:55.920 abuse has gone up. So it's not the time spent. Well, it's not necessarily the time spent.

02:03:00.020 It's who's the primary caregiver because abuse usually happens among people with low socioeconomic

02:03:05.040 status. Unfortunately, that's just true. I'm not saying if you're poor, you're going to abuse your

02:03:08.460 kid, but the majority of, uh, abuse does come from people who are from lower socioeconomic

02:03:12.860 backgrounds. People who are also from those lower socioeconomic backgrounds, overwhelmingly single

02:03:17.180 mothers. But that could be an inverted correlation or causation. It could be. Actually, no. So, uh,

02:03:21.780 in the bell curve, they actually do a study on this. It's not just that if you are a single

02:03:27.040 mother, you are more likely to be poor. If you are poor, you are more likely to be a single mother.

02:03:32.320 And the reason why I bring this up is because you can't really make an apples to apples comparison

02:03:37.140 because the men in those scenarios by and large are not also present in the household. Men who are

02:03:42.460 from low socioeconomic backgrounds where they fathered a child out of wedlock, they're not sticking

02:03:46.640 around. So it's hard to say that this proves that men are more nurturing when men aren't even part of

02:03:52.440 the picture in the first place. That's almost like saying that because, sorry, it's almost like

02:03:56.160 saying that because like, because men are, are make up the majority of fatalities on like oil rigs,

02:04:02.800 therefore women must be better on oil rigs. Is abortion murder? Oh, wow. That's a good one out

02:04:08.140 of one of one out of three women has murdered their own kids. So I would say women are less

02:04:12.240 nurturing for three reasons. One, they're the most likely they're one. They're the most, but see,

02:04:17.160 it's like a, what about the men though? Let's talk about women. Then we can get to the men.

02:04:20.100 So one out of three women's had an abortion. So women are the most violent towards kids when

02:04:25.100 they're in the womb. After first year, most likely one to kill the kid, women. And then throughout

02:04:30.240 the kid's life, the most likely one to abuse them is women. So based on that evidence, I would say

02:04:35.320 that men are better with children and more nurturing. Next piece of evidence, single father

02:04:39.480 homes fare statistically better than single mother homes. And I know what they typically like to say

02:04:45.260 is that it's because in cases where fathers get the children, it's extreme, something like that.

02:04:51.860 Okay, fine. But I'm saying the evidence right now is that men are better with children than women.

02:04:58.300 Rachel can also talk more about the data breakdown. Okay. Can I, can I respond? So the idea that men

02:05:04.060 are better with children because the women who are, again, overwhelmingly low socioeconomic status,

02:05:09.760 the men have gone, that doesn't make them more nurturing. Can you be saying? Wait, wait, wait,

02:05:13.500 say that again. So the men have gone? Yeah. Like if you were, is it because the woman doesn't want

02:05:19.740 them? Typically. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what you're basing that off of, especially like. Okay.

02:05:23.860 So, and I'm basing it off of, again, the number one reason that women leave is irreconcilable.

02:05:28.660 No, but you're talking about marriages, low, lower socioeconomic status where these abuse happens.

02:05:33.560 It's not necessarily a case where, oh, we were, we were married and then we got divorced,

02:05:37.820 especially if you're talking about the black community. These people were never married in

02:05:41.000 the first place. Okay. And, but what is your point? The point is you can't say that someone

02:05:45.600 is more nurturing when they don't even show up in the first place, when you don't even take the role

02:05:51.020 of caregiver in the first place. And it's the same thing you mentioned. Women are more likely to kill

02:05:55.400 the elderly. It's again, because women are over, overrepresented in elderly workers. Okay.

02:05:59.660 What evidence do you have that women are more nurturing? Sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say,

02:06:06.560 I have some data that might help clarify this because it's actually a misunderstanding. This

02:06:10.260 was a big feminist talking point for the last 40 years that when we would bring up the statistics of

02:06:15.140 women being the primary people to abuse children in every metric, whether it's like mental, emotional

02:06:21.660 abuse, any type of abuse across the board, that mothers are statistically more likely to do that

02:06:27.580 than fathers. And it doesn't depend on the socioeconomic status. Although you're correct that

02:06:32.760 generally the lower socioeconomic status has more abuse, it's proportionally still women regardless

02:06:39.320 of class. And they would say, well, it's because they're the primary caregivers. They spend the most

02:06:44.700 time. But what we've seen over the last 40 years is that as men have gained more parenting time and

02:06:49.640 more custody, you would expect that figure to change somewhat. And it has not, it has stayed exactly the

02:06:55.200 same. And researchers say that the reasons why women are more abusive is not because they spend more

02:07:00.720 time. It's because on average, they're much more likely to be emotionally unstable or have mental

02:07:05.280 health issues. 26% of all adult American women are in at least one psychiatric prescription drug,

02:07:11.660 and men tend to be an emotional stabilization factor. So when you remove the dad from the home,

02:07:18.380 you tend to, yes, you could talk about pressures of motherhood and things like that, but it tends to

02:07:22.480 just be that men are the stabilizing protective force and women left to their own devices are more

02:07:28.920 likely to abuse. And I think that's partially also because men, when they grow up, learn about rough

02:07:34.140 and tumble play, they know where the limits of physicality are. They know that they can hurt

02:07:37.760 somebody if they get carried away. Women don't have those same experiences. We don't wrestle. We

02:07:42.080 don't fist fight like boys do. And so when you're an adult woman and you lose your shit on a little kid

02:07:48.920 who you actually have, you know, you have more strength then, or you're, you have the monopoly on force

02:07:55.100 there. Women are more likely to get carried away and lose it with a kid. Same thing in children's

02:08:01.220 prisons, like juvenile facilities, the women tend to be the abusers in those facilities as well.

02:08:06.740 And pedophiles. I mean, how many teachers are sleeping with students now?

02:08:10.740 And this is why biblical patriarchy is really the answer, because if we're promoting, I mean,

02:08:15.320 realistically telling people not to get married and stuff, like a lot of the red pill people do kind

02:08:20.060 of advocate for degeneracy. I like Myron, but he does say like men should sleep with 50 women.

02:08:24.000 And with that, you're going to get way more broken up families. And we see the detrimental

02:08:28.100 effects on the children, which, you know, roughly 50% of them will be men in the future.

02:08:32.660 And when children are raised by single mothers, the girls actually kind of thrive. They have daddy

02:08:37.920 issues. So they'll probably become a whore, but hey, empowered boss, babe, you're thriving in today's

02:08:41.760 society. But they actually do pretty well in school. Boys, they have behavioral problems. They just act

02:08:48.180 out. They're more likely to get into crime, et cetera, et cetera. They're less likely to graduate.

02:08:52.080 That's partly why we see a lot of the women outperforming men in the education systems.

02:08:57.120 So it's actually bad for future men to have single mothers to begin with. And that's why

02:09:00.800 we need to be promoting men having strong leadership. There are things, you know, nothing's

02:09:05.680 foolproof, but there are things that men can do. Like I've seen Tim Gordon say, you have to have

02:09:10.280 your wife promise. Like she will always obey you. No feminists these days are not going to say,

02:09:15.700 I'm going to obey you. I'm not saying it's foolproof. Women are manipulators. They can lie.

02:09:19.280 But also another thing you can do is if you, studies have shown in the nineties when divorce

02:09:23.820 rates have skyrocketed, that if you and your wife pray for five minutes every single day that you

02:09:28.500 have a one in 1000th chance of getting a divorce. So again, not perfect, but you can do things that

02:09:33.780 will greatly limit your odds. When do I skip a week? And am I still included?

02:09:38.720 Hang on. Cause I want to, I want to go back to the, um, the comparison between single mothers and

02:09:42.580 single fathers that you raised, because something that I noticed, like when you talk about these issues

02:09:48.000 is that you have a very literally one dimensional viewpoint or analysis of it.

02:09:52.540 What do you mean by one dimensional?

02:09:53.580 You're looking at just men versus women. Right. But the thing is when you actually break down a lot

02:09:58.280 of these outcomes, things like race and socioeconomic factor play a huge role. So you're talking about

02:10:03.860 single mothers, you're talking about abortions.

02:10:07.260 60% of abortions are white women.

02:10:09.820 Right. But are white women 60% of the population?

02:10:12.780 No, but black women do it at a higher rate, but let's not pretend, let's not pretend we're

02:10:19.040 winning. I understand that black women have higher rates, but if you look at suicide rates,

02:10:24.840 and again, I, I attribute a lot of suicide to family court, white men have the highest suicide

02:10:29.400 rate. And this correlates with what I've seen. White women are especially vicious in family court

02:10:33.820 because they're the ones making it down the aisle. True. True. But, but they, I have never,

02:10:38.780 and I had an attorney say this to me. He's like, I will never marry a white woman because you guys

02:10:42.780 are vicious in family court.

02:10:44.520 But that's an anecdote. White women are, are less likely. They're one of the least likely groups to

02:10:48.700 get divorced. Black women are more likely.

02:10:50.800 But when they, but when they do it, and we saw this with Stephen Crowder, when they, we saw this

02:10:54.020 with Stephen Crowder, when they do it, they do it hard. And, and that, that like, you know,

02:10:59.920 are there differences by race? Sure.

02:11:02.120 Especially, I mean, even when it comes to something like body count or STDs, you say, you know,

02:11:06.340 the average woman has a black woman is five to eight, five to eight times more likely than a

02:11:11.480 white woman to have all these STIs. And I just, that's true, but it's still one out of six white

02:11:15.540 woman. Is that winning? Wow. Great job. White women. It's instead of one out of two for black

02:11:20.400 women, it's one out of six. It is better. I mean, it's better, but it's not good. And that's my point.

02:11:24.800 And the trends are still the same. Sure. It affects the black community first. That's what I've seen

02:11:28.780 firsthand, but it still goes into white communities. And you can see that by looking at whatever

02:11:33.180 podcast, half of those whores are white. So this idea you're going to, you won't be at risk. I think

02:11:39.460 it's selling a dream by saying you can just marry a white woman and you won't have any of these

02:11:44.260 problems. No, you can just marry a white woman who prays every day and it absolutely, you will be in

02:11:49.320 a statistically different position than you were if you were to marry a black woman without a high

02:11:54.940 school degree. Okay. Let's look at the behaviors. What would a super religious woman do? She would have

02:11:59.700 the behaviors that match up. She would wait till she's married. Well, only 3% of women have waited

02:12:04.620 until they're married. So if we're going to go the moral route and say, oh, just marry a woman that

02:12:08.340 prays, where are the virgins? There aren't any. Is this why there's like this trend or whatever for

02:12:15.200 guys who want Asian wives or why there's a claim that there's such a trend? Yeah. Well, Asians also

02:12:20.120 have a very low divorce rate. I think they have the lowest rate of single motherhood. Lowest rate of

02:12:24.980 addiction, lowest rate of criminality, lowest rate of divorce. And so that's why it's just when you

02:12:30.060 talk about like, oh, women, women have a problem. It's like, well, most of these problems are pretty

02:12:34.320 concentrated. Okay. If one out of six women have an STD in the white community, is that still a

02:12:41.500 significant problem? The same way if one out of six men had been to jail, that would be a problem.

02:12:46.320 Right. Okay. So again, it's not the majority. Okay. It doesn't mean it's the majority, but it's

02:12:51.300 significant enough that I can say that the problem is amongst women and the trend is still going that

02:12:56.220 way. So, okay. Yeah. Maybe some communities, it's at slower rates, but the birth rate is still

02:13:01.320 dropping. The age of first marriage is still raising. Don't you see if there's a problem

02:13:05.460 where you're talking to, let's say, college educated men. I talk to all races. You're talking

02:13:09.820 to college educated men using stats from high school dropouts who are black. You're like, this is

02:13:16.080 your likelihood of getting the most. No, I don't. That's not true. That's not true at all. So,

02:13:19.140 I mean, a lot of like the men that I've interviewed are military men. It's very, very sad. And

02:13:23.520 that's, that's not uncommon at all in the white community. Yeah. Because your, your rate of

02:13:28.180 education also impacts your likelihood of divorce. And if you're in the military, you're likely

02:13:32.200 enlisted. Lauren, I could, 50% of billionaires are divorced. Boom. Yeah. Okay. So disregard.

02:13:39.460 Well, I mean, this is 50%, 50% to talk about if I were a billionaire. And this is the thing.

02:13:44.580 Who initiates the divorce in the billionaire runs? Cause wasn't it the dudes? No. Mackenzie

02:13:49.780 Bezos left Jeff. Oh, really? And Linda left Bill, right? But I think it was, she had already

02:13:54.860 Bill, no, Bezos had already had like a girlfriend or something. Well, yeah. If you're married

02:13:59.480 to a billionaire, what do you expect? So yeah. Guy's going to be like, don't divorce me. I don't

02:14:03.360 want to give you $50 billion. This is like, I just don't like selling dreams because I've seen

02:14:08.500 the other side, Lauren. And a lot of, a lot of you guys, you just have not interviewed the

02:14:12.620 other side. And you know, we ran the data. It's like, it's like, it's like, no, no, I've

02:14:17.480 interviewed, I've talked to married men too. I know that some work out, but if I, okay.

02:14:22.120 And the way I'm David Baker helped me, I said, if we had a hundred marriages, how many would

02:14:27.440 the men commit suicide in? Like how many would it get so bad? We found that it's like 13% of

02:14:32.460 divorces are malicious. So that means she's trying to take your kids away, trying to take your money

02:14:37.400 away. If I had to take a pill with a 13% chance of failure. Oh my God. No, I would not take 13%

02:14:44.060 of divorce. No, no, no, no, no. 13% that it's either 13 or 18. I can't remember the exact. It's

02:14:50.080 either 13 or 18, but it's that out of a hundred marriages you get between 13 and 18, that the

02:14:55.560 woman is trying to take away your kids, trying to take as much money as she can from you. That it's

02:15:00.260 a, we categorized it as malicious where she's trying to alienate you, alienate you from your

02:15:05.980 children. That's significant. And I would never, never downplay it because again, you know, I've

02:15:12.100 interviewed men where if they committed suicide this year, I would not be surprised at all. You

02:15:18.280 know, I'll interview men three miles from them. He hasn't seen his kids in three years. And these are

02:15:23.020 not the player types. These are not the men that are sleeping around. They're average men, average

02:15:27.960 earners. And what they do is they try to find a good woman and get married. And they were sold this

02:15:33.860 bill of goods. So don't you think that part of your advocacy, which I'm not all against,

02:15:38.880 you do a lot of posts that I like. I like that you're talking about no fault divorce and you know,

02:15:42.480 cause I don't like the laws either. I don't like the government, but I just feel like if you want

02:15:46.460 men to make informed decisions, which I think we, we all agree they should do when it comes to

02:15:51.160 something like marriage, if you're not talking about these differences that exist racially, that

02:15:55.660 exists based on education level, that exists based on level of piety, then you're not giving

02:16:00.680 them all the information out there. But the issue is the trend. Look at, and this is the thing,

02:16:05.380 people, a lot of you guys, you're not in the trenches. You're not interviewing people. Like

02:16:11.040 I've interviewed a thousand people across the world in the past, like three years. I think it's

02:16:15.360 probably more than that, but that's just when we started logging people. And if you talk to young

02:16:20.320 women, it's like they're graduating high school from all different types of communities with body

02:16:25.560 counts of like five, six, that's not abnormal from the 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 year olds I've spoken

02:16:31.240 to. And the problem with data is you are always going to get data that hides anything that makes

02:16:39.480 women look bad. And so you're never going to get the full picture until you're actually talking to

02:16:44.800 these people and doing the work. Well, that, but that's kind of hard because the plural of anecdote,

02:16:49.540 which you have a lot of is data. Okay. Right. That's the, our best way to datum. No, no, no,

02:16:55.220 no, no, no. The plural of anecdote is not data. No, it's not. No, that, that, the saying is the

02:16:58.960 plural of anecdote is not data. I'm not, I'm not anti data, but what you are not going to put a data

02:17:04.280 in front of me that makes me not believe what's in front of my eyes. And it's not that you should

02:17:08.660 believe what's in front of your eyes. It's too contextualized. Go on TikTok. You see women bragging about

02:17:15.380 this stuff. I'm sorry. Actually, what I said was the misquote that is commonly used and the actual

02:17:20.580 quote, you were correct from political scientist, Ray Wolf. I fact check everyone online says the

02:17:25.920 plural of anecdote is not data. He actually said the plural of anecdote is data. I'll give you an

02:17:31.060 example. I'll give you an example, like the suicide rate. You know, I wouldn't know unless I actually

02:17:36.140 spoke to the men and actually did digging that a lot of suicides are from family court. Before I

02:17:41.800 started researching this stuff, I had no idea, you know, from what I've seen, you know, we followed

02:17:45.980 like 2000 divorces in Michigan, 70% of the men that commit suicide had some contact with family court

02:17:51.680 in the last five years. That's over 400,000 men. That's more, we're almost to the point where there's

02:17:56.400 more men that have killed themselves than died in all of the wars combined. So it's like, you know,

02:18:02.720 I'm, I'm not discounting differences in groups, but regardless, we see the trend over there. Women are

02:18:09.520 becoming more liberal. Why would they not become more liberal sexually? I will say though, and I

02:18:15.120 agree, that's an awful issue. Men offing themselves. I know you can't say that word on YouTube. Unaliving

02:18:20.700 themselves is, is really bad. However, I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying it is an

02:18:25.320 individual choice. However, these awful things that happen with their families, what caused them to do

02:18:30.120 that, right? I'm totally granting you that. I'm just pointing this out because you will say women

02:18:34.500 are whores because it's their individual choice. But I do think that society, and I hate being like,

02:18:39.100 oh, society, but feminism, everyone, everyone's telling you you're empowered. If you're a whore,

02:18:43.080 be a boss, babe. Obviously these things that are happening in life will lead you to make these

02:18:47.100 bad decisions. And the same can be said with men. So I'm saying. So wait, explain that. Could you

02:18:52.100 explain that a different way? Um, like once you're, I'm just trying to understand your point.

02:18:56.360 Basically what I'm trying to say is that you have said that women, when they make these individual

02:19:01.520 choices to be whores, that's on them. Yes. I agree. It's on them, but there are influences that

02:19:06.700 are influencing them to make that decision. Okay. So I'm saying like, if we ever want to solve these

02:19:11.620 problems is we have to, like he said, bring back the culture. We have to shame these people.

02:19:15.740 And I'm just trying to point out that it's not always just fully on the individual. And I know

02:19:20.220 it really at the end of the day is, you know what I'm trying to say? Right. But, but again,

02:19:23.320 this is going back to a wishlist that's never going to happen. But wait, but it can happen. We can

02:19:27.820 start doing it. And actually when it comes to female behaviors, one of the biggest checks on female

02:19:32.620 behaviors is other females. I mean, I don't want to say bullying them, but yeah, kind of keeping

02:19:37.020 in check. That's a very important part of female social structure is like kind of women keeping

02:19:42.220 each other in check. So it is important that as fellow women, we don't start to talk. And that's

02:19:47.140 why like a lot of people were ragging on you for the, I deem appropriate outfit. I don't have a

02:19:51.500 problem with that. I love that. It's amazing. Before we left the hotel, I was like, do you deem this

02:19:56.300 person? This is something that you are doing that is improving the, the behavior and the outcome.

02:20:02.940 No, I think it is. I think it is because women need to start being called out as like,

02:20:07.020 you're looking ridiculous. McKayla Peterson just posted a bit of a thing with her tits out.

02:20:11.060 Did you see the one with her actual boobs out breastfeeding? Yeah, that was bad. Oh my gosh.

02:20:15.760 And this is the daughter of a conservative, like one of the best conservatives ever. I love Jordan

02:20:19.800 Peterson. But is that Andrew Tate's baby? I'm just kidding. But for every McKayla Peterson,

02:20:24.020 like, I think that that is the right direction. Like this is stuff where we as women can hold each

02:20:28.660 other accountable and make positive change that way. And why didn't you shame Nala? Nala? Well,

02:20:34.120 again, because she, this is where she's trying to turn a new leaf. And she raised her OnlyFans prices.

02:20:40.360 Why didn't you shame her? Well, she says that she raised, Lauren, she says that she raised her OnlyFans

02:20:45.200 prices because she was trying to discourage people from joining. How much did she raise the prices?

02:20:50.300 If she sent them to like 99999999, I'd say that makes sense. If she was like, it's now 20 bucks

02:20:55.960 instead of 10, I should. Wait, so how does OnlyFans work? Like, can you deactivate it? I keep hearing

02:20:59.860 everything on that. So apparently you can't deactivate until subscriptions. You get three months, you get three

02:21:04.440 months to deactivate it. But she was baptized in December. She was still posting things after she

02:21:10.160 was baptized. And then she raised the prices. She did not delete the OnlyFans until the day before

02:21:15.940 the Michael Knowles interview is either in April or May. I can't remember the exact date. Why,

02:21:20.460 why did it take you four months? She's getting paid. That's, that's the point. And so it's like,

02:21:25.600 okay, shame her then. But instead, you shame me for pointing it out. No, I didn't shame you for

02:21:31.980 trying to like look into whether she is or not. I think that's fine. Like I said, we need to hold

02:21:36.400 people accountable. But what I was complaining about, no, it's not tone policing. It's the idea that

02:21:41.720 Jesus cannot save these whores. Jesus can save any of us. And that's the thing. If we have to be able

02:21:47.140 to offer redemption, to offer a way out for all of these women, are they just garbage now?

02:21:52.680 Well, yeah, but my point is you are, you are more concerned with my tone than her action. And

02:21:57.540 that's the problem we get in churches. But her action stopped. No, no, but that's the thing.

02:22:01.260 And I've made, I've made more OnlyFans videos than like anybody. I mean, about OnlyFans.

02:22:06.060 I need to stop you. I need to stop because you're not correct. She raised the prices. You

02:22:10.880 were more concerned about my tone than the actions of the whore. Fine. But I want to show

02:22:15.760 this is what's going on in churches across America. I think, I think whore might be used

02:22:21.180 derogatively. Model? Hooker. But isn't that what a whore is? Someone you pay for sex? Like

02:22:27.000 the official definition, like a whore? I agree with that. But I feel like, like whore is used

02:22:32.200 often for women who are not hookers to insult them. Whereas a hooker is a description of

02:22:36.060 the job they're doing. That's why I think hooker is the appropriate term.

02:22:38.360 I have a hierarchy of whoredom. I say all of the above.

02:22:40.400 If you want to see, I actually went through these terms in my hierarchy of whoredom.

02:22:44.400 You know, I made a video about this.

02:22:47.180 And Pearl, even though sometimes I disagree with maybe like the solutions that you pose,

02:22:50.720 this is why I will never agree with all the conservative feminists that get so outraged by

02:22:54.420 what you do, because I'm so pro-shame. And I think that there needs to be a fight back against

02:22:59.040 the feminism. And a lot of that is shaming women. We need way more of that. So that's

02:23:03.260 why you've never seen me. Even if I disagree with something you say, I'm like, I don't care

02:23:06.840 what she says. I'm glad that she's moving like the Overton window. And I love your series

02:23:10.960 that 35-year-old women are not as attractive as 25-year-old women.

02:23:13.760 Oh, that was the other one. What was wrong with that, Lauren?

02:23:15.520 So you were very specific in how you phrased that.

02:23:19.640 I said, I said.

02:23:20.680 35, you did a video saying 35-year-old women are uglier. And so.

02:23:24.520 Is that true?

02:23:25.760 Well, what.

02:23:26.360 Is that true or untrue?

02:23:27.280 What you mean, and you would be correct if you said it, is that a woman at 25 is more

02:23:33.680 attractive than she is at 35. But at the end of the day.

02:23:36.360 No, no, I said exactly what I meant. That was exactly. Is that 35-year-old women are uglier

02:23:41.200 than 25-year-old women.

02:23:42.080 And so this is what. The truth is.

02:23:43.500 But this is tone policing.

02:23:44.440 Attractive. No, it's not.

02:23:45.640 Beauty's on the inside.

02:23:46.600 No, no, it's not on the inside. It's not tone policing.

02:23:49.180 It's not on the inside.

02:23:50.560 The fact of the matter is.

02:23:51.640 Is it true?

02:23:52.460 Yes or no, is it true?

02:23:53.320 Pretty people are uglier than ugly people. So men will absolutely choose an eight who's

02:24:00.280 24 over a four who's.

02:24:03.100 You said pretty people. Did you mean something else?

02:24:04.720 Oh, sorry.

02:24:05.000 No, pretty people are more attractive than.

02:24:07.020 Fertility is one of the number one things that men select on. There's even a Patrice O'Neill

02:24:10.940 joke where he says like a hot 18-year-old is always going to be hotter than a 30-year-old.

02:24:14.980 Didn't you have a tweet where it was like 25-year-olds were more attractive than 16-year-olds?

02:24:18.900 You said 16-year-olds were more attractive.

02:24:20.180 I did. I did. I got a lot of pushback for that one.

02:24:22.480 But do you believe it?

02:24:23.800 So I need to, I'm going to defend Pearl on this one. It's actually disgusting in my opinion.

02:24:29.320 There was this poll survey that found when they, they did a scientific survey where they

02:24:35.540 presented images of women to men and they asked them to rate them on attractiveness and

02:24:40.740 14, 15, and 16 scored substantially higher. When they factored in age, it dropped dramatically.

02:24:47.340 And the thesis was men do consider mental development and attractiveness. They do not

02:24:54.320 want children. They want women who are capable of functioning in society. But when they removed

02:24:59.000 that factor and it was simply on appearance, they were actually, real quick, they were choosing

02:25:03.240 teenage girls. And what a lot of people don't know, when you're walking in the mall and you

02:25:08.800 see a Victoria's Secret, I don't know, I don't want to call them out specifically because

02:25:11.300 I don't know, but I can tell you a lot of the models you see in magazines and in stores

02:25:16.060 are 15-year-old girls. The modeling industry, like the women on the catwalk, women doing

02:25:22.320 their, like their, in their bras and their underwear, these are like 15-year-olds. And

02:25:26.280 there's a reason why the modeling agencies choose them. I think it's nasty.

02:25:28.800 What about the Falcons?

02:25:29.680 I'll actually answer, I'll answer your question though.

02:25:31.840 The point that I'm trying to make though is that-

02:25:32.740 You ask me a question if I actually think that.

02:25:34.660 Yeah, but I'm in Europe. The age of consent is 16 in Europe. So all I, all I did was Google

02:25:39.760 the age of consent and then tweet it and everyone got mad.

02:25:42.960 But does that, but do you believe that 16-year-olds are hotter?

02:25:45.620 I'm not attracted to women, so.

02:25:48.140 But, but I think the reason why you ended up getting like all these women sending you

02:25:51.820 their selfies, which is like, I did not.

02:25:53.880 So bad.

02:25:55.160 I did not.

02:25:55.560 You were more concerned about my tone than married women sending me selfies when they're

02:26:01.060 married.

02:26:01.560 Well, here's the thing. A man will, I believe this to my core, if there is an eight who

02:26:08.120 is 24, he will choose them over a two who is 20, like 100%.

02:26:13.320 Well, yeah, if they're fat.

02:26:14.280 Yeah, but we're saying all things being equal.

02:26:16.860 But again, that's not what Pearl said and that is why, that is why you got attacked is

02:26:22.460 because you were vague and you left yourself open to that.

02:26:25.480 No, I don't, I don't think I was vague at all. I think women are stupid.

02:26:28.520 I mean, women 35, okay, Lauren, I need a yes or no. Are 35-year-old women uglier than

02:26:34.980 25-year-old women?

02:26:36.120 A woman is less attractive at 35 than she is at 20, at 35 than she is at 25.

02:26:40.120 Okay, so why was I wrong for saying that?

02:26:42.060 Because you said 35-year-old women are ugly. That was your video.

02:26:45.820 Are uglier than 25-year-old women.

02:26:47.160 No, your video, I think was just like literally they're ugly.

02:26:49.640 No, I said, I said 35-year-old women are less attractive than 25-year-old women.

02:26:54.920 You, you said uglier specifically and it was just, yeah, we love the video.

02:26:59.100 I would say on average, 35-year-old women are uglier than the average of 25-year-old women.

02:27:03.600 Yeah, because even, even then, if you, if Pearl had said that, she wouldn't have been bombarded

02:27:07.660 with all the selfies.

02:27:08.060 But that's, but see, this goes back to, this is tone policing.

02:27:10.000 No, it's not.

02:27:11.400 But that's what's fun about doing.

02:27:13.100 See, there you go. Yes, you're less attractive. I didn't even say uglier.

02:27:16.780 No, it's the video. It's the video, not the tweet.

02:27:18.620 You're less attractive.

02:27:20.220 No, sorry, it's the video that I was responding to.

02:27:22.020 I don't know. I deleted, I had to delete a bunch of videos.

02:27:24.880 Okay.

02:27:25.160 But you know, we can, we can play her video though.

02:27:27.380 We can play it because she made a video on me.

02:27:30.140 I'm, I'm here.

02:27:31.400 She'd been talking shit for a year.

02:27:32.660 I'm here to address.

02:27:34.140 Yeah, well, that, that is what I was talking about.

02:27:35.760 Everyone says I was ducking.

02:27:36.600 I was in volleyball.

02:27:37.360 I'm done with volleyball.

02:27:38.220 I'm here.

02:27:38.960 But that also brings me to like.

02:27:40.080 Are you good at volleyball?

02:27:41.020 Yeah, I was going to go professional actually until the YouTube stuff, but I played semi-professional

02:27:46.420 for three years.

02:27:47.460 So I just finished season a month ago.

02:27:49.240 So that brings me to Bernadine Bluntley is an account who she is like.

02:27:53.240 Oh, she's nuts.

02:27:53.840 She is Christian.

02:27:55.080 She is a state of law.

02:27:57.180 She is a lunatic.

02:27:57.880 She is a lunatic.

02:27:58.920 So why, why do you think she's a lunatic?

02:28:00.500 Because I think it's quite, you're, you're a lunatic if you as a married woman feel the

02:28:05.520 need to prove your hotness to me.

02:28:07.320 If you see that and say my only, you know, I need to, Rachel, you didn't get, you're married.

02:28:13.240 Where, where was my selfie?

02:28:15.840 I guess I just have low self-esteem and hate myself and all women.

02:28:20.540 So the thing with Bernadine is.

02:28:21.980 And then I've also seen, I have to think of what else I've seen from her.

02:28:24.380 I've seen other stuff too though.

02:28:25.500 She viciously goes after me all the time.

02:28:27.340 She posted a video, or no, a photo of herself before and after about a 30 pound weight loss

02:28:32.460 that she had gone through after one of her pregnancies, talking about how she didn't

02:28:35.940 like how she looked.

02:28:36.560 So she sucked it up, got on the treadmill, lost like 30 pounds.

02:28:40.400 She was still fat.

02:28:42.100 I think that's a good thing saying you lost weight, but why post the before and after

02:28:45.440 it's like, Hey, look how skinny I am.

02:28:47.160 But is that, is that the problem that she's trying to improve herself?

02:28:51.960 No, she made it.

02:28:52.760 Should we not as married women be trying to improve ourselves?

02:28:56.780 There's nothing wrong with married women trying to improve herself, but the way that she

02:29:04.300 said it, it was, I can't remember what she said, but I think I said, cry me a river.

02:29:08.580 Yeah.

02:29:08.600 Something like that.

02:29:09.360 Yeah.

02:29:09.820 I meant it.

02:29:10.800 Cry me a river.

02:29:11.780 But she's, she's, she's admitting she was overweight, put in the work to lose weight.

02:29:17.020 She's doing this for her health, for her husband.

02:29:19.820 Is that not a positive thing?

02:29:22.020 Yeah.

02:29:22.340 But what's wrong with me saying cry me a river?

02:29:25.580 Like, do you, do you think that's the type of, I'd have to, I'd have to, I'd have to remember

02:29:28.680 what exactly she said.

02:29:29.860 Do you think that's encouraging people who want to lose weight and look good for their

02:29:32.420 husbands?

02:29:32.440 Well, I just think, I think it's quite odd to be showcasing your body to the world as

02:29:36.980 a married woman.

02:29:37.520 Can we see the tweet?

02:29:38.520 I just want to see that.

02:29:39.320 I never saw this.

02:29:40.160 I don't know.

02:29:40.440 What's her name?

02:29:40.780 What's her name?

02:29:40.800 What's her name?

02:29:40.840 It was like this Bernadine Bluntley.

02:29:42.780 It was like, how scandalous is the after?

02:29:45.000 Oh no, I mean, she's just in a, she's just in a t-shirt.

02:29:47.640 Or she's, it's not like, I can't remember, I have to remember exactly.

02:29:50.300 But this reminds me of the DeLuca situation where it's like, oh, I'm baking a cake, but

02:29:53.960 here's like this really tight shirt with my big boobs.

02:29:56.160 And like, I'm not showing you what I'm baking.

02:29:57.700 I'm showing you this.

02:29:58.360 I have not heard Bernadine accused of immodesty.

02:30:00.300 It wasn't that one.

02:30:01.500 And I don't know her, so I'm not.

02:30:02.780 But wait, so no, I'm serious though.

02:30:04.420 What was wrong with the 25 to 35?

02:30:07.220 The 25 to 35?

02:30:07.820 Because you know, you keep switching it when I make a point.

02:30:10.980 And you, we were talking about the 25 to 35.

02:30:14.860 We could talk about this too.

02:30:16.000 I'm totally down.

02:30:17.640 I don't know how to find the, I don't know what I'm searching for.

02:30:20.320 You gotta go look for it.

02:30:21.020 Actually, let me.

02:30:21.380 Like, what did she say?

02:30:22.360 What is it?

02:30:23.060 I know I said, I know it was something really dramatic.

02:30:26.940 And I know I said, cry me a river.

02:30:29.460 That's what it was.

02:30:30.160 But it was literally just her talking about her weight loss as a mom.

02:30:33.280 It was something that I took as dramatic.

02:30:36.200 I have to, I can't remember off the top of my head.

02:30:38.640 I just remember what I thought.

02:30:41.940 I think Google is blocking the search.

02:30:44.200 Wait, try.

02:30:45.120 Hang on.

02:30:45.400 I'm looking at media.

02:30:46.160 Like, on her account.

02:30:53.400 Can we talk about the 25 to 35?

02:30:55.880 Do you concede that I was able, I'm able to say that?

02:30:58.820 I don't have a problem with the tweet there.

02:31:00.500 Is it this?

02:31:01.080 Is it this?

02:31:01.680 Was it this?

02:31:02.460 Yeah.

02:31:04.060 That's the image.

02:31:04.700 Go up.

02:31:05.860 Go up.

02:31:08.860 Was that the one I responded to?

02:31:10.380 It might have been.

02:31:10.880 You could click it, see if I'm below it.

02:31:14.820 I don't think that was the one.

02:31:16.140 Yeah, it doesn't look like it.

02:31:17.160 I think it was a different one.

02:31:18.660 Because I think she got pushed back because it was really dramatic.

02:31:21.260 And then she put actual steps.

02:31:22.620 Yeah, I'll keep looking.

02:31:26.320 Oh yeah, so the photo, the post, I think this is the one.

02:31:29.900 So it doesn't have her body in it.

02:31:32.380 It's her face.

02:31:33.040 Can I see that?

02:31:33.940 I think it was.

02:31:34.760 Oh, I see her talking crap about you.

02:31:36.660 Yeah.

02:31:37.480 Let's see.

02:31:38.660 Let me see.

02:31:41.100 Always.

02:31:41.700 Oh yeah, this is why.

02:31:42.820 She said, I took this picture a year ago.

02:31:45.220 A few minutes earlier, I was getting dressed and hated it because I didn't recognize who

02:31:50.820 I was, what I saw in the mirror.

02:31:53.040 Postpartum and stress weight gain.

02:31:54.980 In the middle of sobbing, I thought to myself, you can keep crying or go do something about

02:31:59.720 it.

02:32:00.280 I finished getting dressed later and I bought sweatpants and a loose tee and went for a

02:32:04.960 walk.

02:32:05.520 One year later, I've lost 30 pounds.

02:32:07.600 I've gained health, stamina, and confidence.

02:32:09.780 I'm thankful this girl didn't quit.

02:32:11.380 I'm thankful she chose to do something about it.

02:32:14.180 And I said, blah, blah, blah.

02:32:16.100 Cry me a river.

02:32:17.280 Because I just thought it was dramatic.

02:32:19.460 And you know what?

02:32:20.140 If you're posting on the internet, what do you guys expect?

02:32:22.860 This is the internet.

02:32:23.840 Don't you think we should be?

02:32:25.640 What's the point?

02:32:26.500 Like why?

02:32:27.140 What is your goal?

02:32:28.520 I just thought it was funny.

02:32:30.020 And so did other people.

02:32:31.040 It's Twitter.

02:32:33.420 Twitter's like the shit posting site.

02:32:35.720 That's a fair point.

02:32:36.500 Yeah, it's Twitter.

02:32:37.540 Like what do you expect going on Twitter?

02:32:39.100 That's the internet.

02:32:39.240 I also concede that it's a good thing that she lost the weight.

02:32:44.140 This goes back to tone policing, though.

02:32:45.980 You don't like my tone?

02:32:46.740 Okay.

02:32:47.160 I just thought it was dramatic.

02:32:48.660 She was like, yeah.

02:32:49.720 It makes it seem like you're basically just dismissing her post.

02:32:52.880 We should be.

02:32:54.200 It's not a question of like.

02:32:55.080 Why should we should or shouldn't?

02:32:56.340 Because it's a good thing.

02:32:57.880 It's a good thing she lost weight.

02:32:58.900 It is a good thing.

02:32:59.760 But it's like it was dramatic.

02:33:01.320 I agree with Lauren on like the principle of someone's trying to lose weight.

02:33:04.840 You don't shame them.

02:33:05.400 But to your point, you're saying it's Twitter and you enjoyed it and you did it anyway.

02:33:08.440 I'm like, well, I got nothing to say.

02:33:09.580 Yeah.

02:33:09.820 Okay.

02:33:10.020 It's like, what do you want?

02:33:11.040 You want a medal?

02:33:11.800 It's like women act like losing weight.

02:33:13.260 It's like the most difficult thing ever.

02:33:15.940 It's like, just don't eat as much.

02:33:17.540 It's not that hard.

02:33:18.580 I just thought I was like, it's like, oh, it's like, that's what women always do.

02:33:22.300 If somebody says that to a man, though, nobody gets upset.

02:33:25.420 And the difference is if you say something mean to a woman, you're a public enemy.

02:33:29.240 That's not true.

02:33:29.940 When it comes to like weight loss posts, there have been like men in gyms who have been shit.

02:33:34.620 People will laugh at them and people will come out and say, hang on, this person's actually

02:33:37.680 trying to lose weight.

02:33:38.760 You shouldn't be picking on them if they're trying to do their best.

02:33:40.980 Imagine if Tim had the same post that was crying one day.

02:33:44.380 If I put blah, blah, blah, cry me a river.

02:33:46.340 No, no.

02:33:46.760 I meant above where you feel like that.

02:33:48.180 I mean, I talk about losing weight all the time.

02:33:51.640 Two and a half years ago, I was 200 pounds.

02:33:54.560 Now I'm way down.

02:33:55.360 I've been lifting.

02:33:56.680 Yeah, we got to take responsibility to do the best you can, I guess.

02:34:00.220 But she wants like all this validation.

02:34:01.840 That's like the difference is the women seek the validation.

02:34:04.220 And what is up with women wanting to cry online or say they were crying online?

02:34:07.360 I'm like, if I cry, that's so embarrassing.

02:34:09.080 I don't want anyone to ever know or see.

02:34:12.080 I just like, I don't think there's a problem with moms sharing.

02:34:15.640 And what you have to understand is Bernadine's audience is like overwhelmingly female because

02:34:19.800 she runs a like a female courtship thing.

02:34:22.180 I don't think it's a bad thing for women to encourage each other for weight loss and share

02:34:26.380 their weight loss struggles.

02:34:27.600 Like, that's a good thing.

02:34:28.360 I didn't say it was a bad thing.

02:34:29.620 Yeah, I think Pearl agrees.

02:34:30.880 Pearl's just trolling.

02:34:31.880 I just thought it was funny.

02:34:33.340 Yeah.

02:34:33.680 But it's like women can't take jokes.

02:34:34.960 Also, never get a female dating coach or a female life coach ever.

02:34:38.760 Especially if you're a woman.

02:34:39.960 Worst idea ever.

02:34:40.680 I do agree with Pearl.

02:34:41.800 It's like, it's the meme of the guys hanging out and then they're like, you're a cunt.

02:34:50.440 F you.

02:34:51.260 Screw you.

02:34:51.740 And the guy's like, you guys are bitches.

02:34:53.360 And then the guy leaves and they go, what a good dude.

02:34:55.680 He's a good guy.

02:34:56.160 Yeah.

02:34:56.180 And then the women are all like, you're so cute.

02:34:58.560 I love you.

02:34:59.140 Bye.

02:34:59.340 I'm leaving.

02:34:59.720 And they're like, what a bitch.

02:35:00.720 It's true.

02:35:01.480 It's true.

02:35:02.160 Okay.

02:35:02.480 For example, everybody who hates me online calls me fat.

02:35:06.520 Okay.

02:35:07.100 Do you have a lot of people hitting you online?

02:35:08.980 Oh, yeah.

02:35:09.920 It's the internet.

02:35:10.760 Come on.

02:35:11.040 Oh, yeah.

02:35:11.960 I feel like the three of us got a lot.

02:35:12.580 Why doesn't anyone tone police the women that come after me?

02:35:16.540 But, you know, I have prominent haters who are calling me fat.

02:35:19.680 I've lost 50 pounds in the last two years.

02:35:21.620 Congratulations.

02:35:22.060 I haven't posted any before and afters.

02:35:24.100 I haven't talked about how I cried because of my struggle or anything.

02:35:27.180 So where's all the women?

02:35:28.820 Where's the sisterhood to come and validate me and tell me how great a job?

02:35:32.840 Well, I don't get that.

02:35:33.740 I think you should get that, though.

02:35:35.240 That's my point.

02:35:35.760 Like, I am a girl's girl.

02:35:37.500 Okay.

02:35:37.920 I get called like a massager all the time.

02:35:39.960 I'm a girl's girl.

02:35:40.760 I actually, like, men.

02:35:41.680 No, I could have told you that.

02:35:42.960 Yeah.

02:35:43.260 I'll tell you why it.

02:35:44.420 You should get that validation.

02:35:44.920 But I don't.

02:35:45.720 And I won't get it.

02:35:46.420 Because she'll get it from her husband.

02:35:47.000 The reason I won't get that sisterhood is because I'm willing to criticize women when

02:35:51.520 I think it's appropriate.

02:35:52.700 And the sisterhood sees that as a betrayal.

02:35:54.680 So it's like, oh, you lost weight?

02:35:56.320 F you.

02:35:57.220 Oh, look at the Ozempic stuff.

02:35:58.920 Yeah.

02:35:59.080 It's like a scandal because the body positivity movement that-

02:36:02.380 Now it's too easy to lose weight.

02:36:03.600 These female celebrities who are like, we should be happy for what we look like, give

02:36:08.200 me the Ozempic.

02:36:09.860 It was like secretly they were desperately trying to lose weight.

02:36:12.400 But you know what?

02:36:13.300 I think Ozempic is awful.

02:36:14.840 But I'm glad it has at least created this movement of admitting being overweight is a bad

02:36:19.640 thing.

02:36:19.920 Yeah.

02:36:19.940 Well, here's what women do.

02:36:21.000 I've seen this somewhere.

02:36:22.020 But it's like, women will say Lizzo is beautiful, but tell a woman that she's like Lizzo, oh,

02:36:26.820 hell no.

02:36:27.800 Yeah.

02:36:28.100 That happened at that protest where there was that large black woman.

02:36:32.060 People called her Lizzo and it was an affront.

02:36:33.880 It was right.

02:36:34.240 How dare you call her Lizzo?

02:36:35.980 And it's like, well, then stop pretending like you think Lizzo looks good.

02:36:38.460 And you say that to a man and he's like, yeah, I need to lose weight.

02:36:40.860 Well, I think it's just men, like you were saying earlier, men start in life at zero and

02:36:45.600 they have to build their value.

02:36:47.260 They have to provide value to the world in order to have status, in order to be praised

02:36:52.300 or anything like that.

02:36:53.200 And women, it's like the opposite.

02:36:54.600 We start, this fly likes me.

02:36:57.000 We start as little girls being doted on and the public school system is very good for girls.

02:37:02.500 It validates them.

02:37:03.560 It kind of reinforces all the things girls are always good at.

02:37:05.960 Caters to our strengths.

02:37:06.520 Yes.

02:37:06.780 It caters to our strengths and it tells boys they need to sit still.

02:37:09.640 They need to be quiet.

02:37:10.500 They need to stop being toxic.

02:37:12.180 And then you hit puberty and all everybody loves you because you're beautiful and you're fertile

02:37:16.720 now.

02:37:17.120 And then this thing happens where you get older and you feel less visible and less

02:37:21.180 valuable and all that sort of thing.

02:37:23.020 So I think there's just this like social ingrained thing where criticizing women, making women

02:37:30.280 feel bad, making women sad.

02:37:32.000 Making fun of them.

02:37:32.820 It makes, even men, it makes everyone like deeply uncomfortable to see women sad or uncomfortable.

02:37:39.240 And guys who grew up in the gutter, not every guy, but many guys being treated like crap,

02:37:45.500 they're, they're 26 and someone comments, you're a disgusting fat slob.

02:37:49.120 And they go, yeah, it's like it rolls off.

02:37:51.460 I'm like, this is the least thing.

02:37:52.480 When they get one compliment and remember it for like 10 years, you know, and the woman

02:37:57.260 will get 20 compliments and only remember the bad thing someone said.

02:38:00.780 And the reason why women get so offended by your 35 versus 25 year old tweet is because

02:38:05.620 deep down they know it's true and they're pissed off.

02:38:08.680 They're scared.

02:38:09.460 And they're like, Hey, I look better at 35.

02:38:11.320 Okay.

02:38:11.500 Well, you have Botox, you have filler, you have all this other stuff and they know it's

02:38:15.020 true.

02:38:15.180 I don't even know what they look like.

02:38:16.340 That's a crazy thing.

02:38:17.400 I've met so many, I've met so many people where they do not look a thing like they do

02:38:22.580 online.

02:38:22.840 Go ahead.

02:38:23.260 Yeah.

02:38:24.360 There's this like ingrained female need for attention and validation.

02:38:28.220 Right.

02:38:28.440 And I think we see with social media, it's actually a very negative thing for women.

02:38:31.900 It's, it's what's turned a lot of women onto only fans, but like as a girl's girl, I don't

02:38:36.080 think it's an inherently bad part of female nature.

02:38:38.400 I think we, we should preen, we should want to look pretty.

02:38:40.960 We should want that attention, but we should want that from our husband.

02:38:43.760 Right.

02:38:44.140 And so like, when I say like, I support like Bernadine and her weight loss journey, I am one

02:38:48.980 of those wise where like, absolutely.

02:38:50.320 I am still getting made up for my husband.

02:38:52.300 And I think we should still try to look hot for our husband.

02:38:54.520 I agree with that too.

02:38:55.300 Then would you, would you in the same breath condemn her for posting a selfie for the world

02:39:00.220 to prove her hotness?

02:39:02.440 I don't think she posted anything.

02:39:03.940 No, but I'm saying like, it's just funny because you'll have such a double standard for me.

02:39:07.940 If I say blah, blah, blah, cry me a river, I'm the bad guy.

02:39:10.280 But when women are seeking attention from other men, other men, other than their husbands.

02:39:14.440 I don't think she's seeking attention from other men though.

02:39:16.860 No, but I'm talking about when she, um, she posted, uh, and I don't really care.

02:39:21.100 It's not my marriage, like whatever, but I'm just like, let's call it what it is.

02:39:24.460 You're, you're posting the 25 to 35.

02:39:26.980 She's posting her selfies to prove she's attractive.

02:39:29.700 Well, that's the thing.

02:39:30.500 If you follow Bernadine's platform, her whole thing is that women should take care of themselves.

02:39:35.120 And why is she fat?

02:39:35.700 Well, she just had another baby, but she is on the weight loss journey, right?

02:39:39.420 She's trying to lose weight.

02:39:41.400 How long ago did she have a baby?

02:39:42.800 She's still like, I don't know, but she's already pregnant again.

02:39:45.180 Uh, number six.

02:39:46.060 Wow.

02:39:46.400 Yeah.

02:39:46.600 And they, they free birth at home, which is like, yeah, I'm not saying she's, she's a conservative

02:39:50.820 woman.

02:39:52.020 Yeah.

02:39:52.500 Yeah.

02:39:52.660 Like she's like, if I was, if I was going to, if I was going to go to a woman about like

02:39:56.400 taking, like taking care of yourself, wouldn't they be in shape?

02:39:59.660 Cause I know women that have had that.

02:40:00.800 She's trying, yeah.

02:40:01.720 And she's trying to be in shape.

02:40:03.320 Right.

02:40:03.520 But it's like going to a personal trainer that's fat.

02:40:05.680 You wouldn't really do it.

02:40:06.420 I, I, well, she's not a personal trainer, but she's trying to encourage me.

02:40:09.240 Like, even if you're fat, you should, we should all still be trying to be better.

02:40:12.240 We did, we did, we did jam in an extra half an hour, but we'll, we'll wind things out

02:40:15.440 a little bit.

02:40:15.660 I do want to bring up at least one more, one more point for you, Pearl.

02:40:18.820 I feel like, you know, early on in the show, we're talking about the, uh, social pressures

02:40:23.920 between the left and the right.

02:40:25.240 The right is having more babies calling on them, get married, have babies.

02:40:28.580 The left is saying abort, sterilize, don't regardless of, you know, you, you've said

02:40:33.680 a lot, uh, you know, it, it's just the way it is.

02:40:36.780 It's not about what it should be.

02:40:37.620 It's the way things are.

02:40:38.560 I feel like your, uh, worldview would result in less babies.

02:40:45.120 Yes.

02:40:45.740 It's not a worldview though.

02:40:47.120 It's a prediction.

02:40:47.840 It's looking at the data and where would I predict things are going?

02:40:51.140 No.

02:40:51.420 Yeah.

02:40:51.640 Yeah.

02:40:51.860 You say things like women, women do this, men do this.

02:40:54.580 And I feel like a lot of things you say would result in many men being like, I better not

02:40:57.740 get married and have kids.

02:40:59.240 It might, but they were going to do that anyway.

02:41:01.680 They were going to do that anyway because of the court system today.

02:41:04.760 We've had not one, not two, but they were going on three generations of men that have

02:41:07.780 watched their parents, uncle, whoever get wrecked in a divorce.

02:41:11.180 You're going to see the rate go down regardless of what I say.

02:41:13.940 I do think that traditional, like the trad wife, like lit real ones, not internet fake

02:41:19.440 ones.

02:41:20.680 You're, I mean, how many kids, how many kids does she have?

02:41:24.140 Six.

02:41:24.760 Six.

02:41:24.880 Six.

02:41:25.000 Yeah.

02:41:25.460 And, uh, a lot of the guests we have on like Timcast IRL, uh, they're having a lot

02:41:32.020 of kids just having more and more kids.

02:41:33.640 And I feel like while it's not absolute that their kids will be conservatives, there is

02:41:38.620 still a tendency toward more of those values over a long enough period of time.

02:41:42.820 Maybe it's a hundred, maybe it's 200 years.

02:41:44.280 I don't know.

02:41:44.900 It seems like all of these things probably will just eliminate themselves through lack

02:41:48.560 of reproduction.

02:41:49.340 Yeah.

02:41:49.520 Well, I think they said that 20 years ago and look where we are.

02:41:52.220 Actually, it's true though.

02:41:53.380 So 20 years ago, liberals were having 1.43 kids to conservatives 2.05.

02:41:58.640 But when we look at the-

02:41:59.140 And now what we're seeing is 20 years on, the voting, the voting block of Gen Z has shifted

02:42:03.500 slightly right for the first time in a hundred years.

02:42:05.240 Well, my point is that if you look at the outcomes of the next generation, they are not

02:42:09.280 conservative.

02:42:10.000 There's not lower marriage.

02:42:11.340 There is not a raising birth rate.

02:42:14.100 All of the-

02:42:14.420 It's trending that way.

02:42:15.580 All of the choices, not really.

02:42:17.500 It is.

02:42:17.880 All of the-

02:42:18.400 Gen Z is the, I think of the past four generations, the second most likely to oppose gay marriage.

02:42:23.940 Oppose gay marriage, but that doesn't mean they're getting married and having children

02:42:27.080 earlier.

02:42:27.120 No, I'm saying it's-

02:42:27.980 If you pull-

02:42:28.740 Gen Z is the first generation in a hundred years to start the shift in the other direction.

02:42:32.380 Right.

02:42:32.680 But I still would not predict that their outcomes will be conservative.

02:42:36.620 I would not, and this is just from interviewing young women on the street, on my show, Gen Z,

02:42:41.900 and even I have two sisters that are in Gen Z when, and this is from upper class, conservative,

02:42:47.360 MAGA country, basically.

02:42:48.800 I wouldn't say when I look at them or their friends, they're particularly focused on that

02:42:52.720 kind of thing.

02:42:52.840 I completely agree.

02:42:53.380 They're very similar to millennials, but for the first time in a hundred years, a generation

02:42:56.840 moved slightly right on social issues.

02:42:58.880 Right, but so what?

02:43:00.060 That's the first time in five generations.

02:43:03.900 So?

02:43:03.960 So conservatives 20 years ago had more kids.

02:43:09.180 So for every seven kids, four of them were conservative.

02:43:12.040 Okay.

02:43:12.460 And now in the polling data, we see a direct correlation.

02:43:15.160 Well, but the issue you're going to get still is conservative women aren't even conservative

02:43:18.740 today, and I think I proved that, really.

02:43:20.980 So over a long enough period of time, those that are less conservative, their worldview will-

02:43:26.920 I'll make a bet with you, actually.

02:43:28.360 We can make a bet in 10-

02:43:29.080 I don't think we're going to be alive in 200 years.

02:43:30.300 No, no, no, no.

02:43:31.060 I'm not saying out- I'm saying in my lifetime, I think we will see more single mothers, OnlyFans

02:43:36.920 models, abortions, and-

02:43:38.720 I don't disagree.

02:43:39.660 That's not my point.

02:43:40.420 But that's my point, is that if I had to predict in my lifetime, it is going to get worse.

02:43:45.480 Well, see, and this is where I differ from people like at The Daily Wire or even Charlie

02:43:49.260 Kirk, who I love.

02:43:49.980 My advice to young men isn't get married.

02:43:53.920 My advice to young men is join the church.

02:43:57.040 There are so many things that are likely to be wrong with your social circle, with how

02:44:01.340 you conduct yourself.

02:44:02.820 Marriage is not something that's going to fix things.

02:44:04.840 If you're in a weird, throuple polycool, and like, oh, well, let's just get married now.

02:44:08.800 No, that's a terrible idea.

02:44:10.120 Don't do that.

02:44:11.180 Find church.

02:44:11.860 Find religion.

02:44:12.720 Get yourself right.

02:44:13.680 And then from that, you know, hopefully, sacramental marriage will follow, children

02:44:17.320 will follow.

02:44:18.000 You can marry Nala.

02:44:18.740 We have a bit of a problem with the church, though, too.

02:44:21.520 So I've got a whole nother Substack article about this and how non-governmental organizations

02:44:26.660 have infiltrated Western Christianity, feminized it.

02:44:30.460 You now have something like 40% of Lutheran bishops are women.

02:44:33.960 How many churches have gay flags hanging on the front of them?

02:44:38.080 The Eastern Orthodox Church is kind of an exception, but they're working on it.

02:44:41.120 They're trying to get in there and do the same thing to them.

02:44:43.200 And so I would say not just to tell people to go to church, but go to a very, like,

02:44:48.340 a traditional apostolic church, at the very least.

02:44:50.960 If you see gay flags, just speak around.

02:44:53.140 I would say most churches worship women, not God.

02:44:56.820 Yeah, they do.

02:44:57.680 We'll go through final thoughts.

02:44:59.260 So we can start going left to right.

02:45:01.540 Final thoughts, and then anything you want to mention or shout out as we wrap up?

02:45:04.720 I will say that my main concern regarding this topic is what's best for men.

02:45:09.260 And what sucks is that men have, like, a biological drive to want to have offspring, to want to have a family.

02:45:14.700 And it sucks that the way our society is, with feminism infiltrating the entire world, the court system, it's just stacked against men.

02:45:21.700 So I'm constantly trying to figure out and, like, research and find what's the best solution for men.

02:45:26.640 And I feel like all of us as women, we shouldn't be telling men what to do, obviously.

02:45:29.980 But I think what we can do is maybe talk about the issues, maybe talk about what men can do to maybe avoid certain bad situations.

02:45:38.100 And also, if we're going to talk about what to tell women to do, is encourage women to become better.

02:45:43.280 And, yeah, let's just hope for the best.

02:45:44.980 But, yeah, I agree.

02:45:46.000 The future is grim.

02:45:47.520 And also, we should be teaming up against conservative feminists because there's way too many of them, and it's obnoxious.

02:45:54.160 Can we, where can people find you and follow up?

02:45:56.360 Well, actually, I have, like, all my accounts deactivated right now for a certain video that went way too viral.

02:46:03.080 So I'm waiting for my husband to allow me to activate it.

02:46:05.900 So far, nothing.

02:46:07.280 But, yeah.

02:46:08.140 Well, all right.

02:46:09.740 I would say we have to start by correcting the historical record because people think that feminism...

02:46:15.380 Get it, guys.

02:46:16.240 It's really good.

02:46:16.800 I did.

02:46:17.080 People think feminism is necessary and that it was a reaction to abuse from the patriarchy.

02:46:22.280 The whole history you think you know is wrong.

02:46:24.360 And if you start with understanding that, it will help you to see things the way that they are and maybe the way that they should be.

02:46:30.200 And we can start getting rid of some of this ridiculous women's liberation, sexual liberation stuff.

02:46:35.380 I think that ultimately, eventually, it will be a self-correcting problem and that generations into the future, I have no idea how long it'll take, but it's going to be a while.

02:46:43.980 It's a cross-generational project that will look back on both democracy, universal suffrage, democracy, and feminism as two of the worst experiments in human history.

02:46:54.220 And we will dispense with both.

02:46:55.660 That's my hope.

02:46:56.400 And, yeah, if you want to find my stuff, my book is on Amazon.

02:47:01.400 Rachel Wilson on YouTube.

02:47:02.940 Occult Feminism, The Secret History of Women's Liberation.

02:47:05.840 It goes all the way back to ancient times and then all the way up through modern times with the CIA propagating everything through the Congress for Cultural Freedom and lots of crazy stuff.

02:47:15.840 Yeah, guys, get our book.

02:47:17.260 It's an easy read.

02:47:18.160 You can read it in a day.

02:47:19.320 And Rachel is literally a genius, so you guys should definitely get it.

02:47:22.320 Thank you.

02:47:22.900 Right on.

02:47:23.140 And then rwilson.substack.com has a bunch of my writing on it, too.

02:47:27.220 I want to go shoo a fly on the table I thought would move.

02:47:30.160 It did not.

02:47:31.100 I just...

02:47:31.580 He died.

02:47:32.160 He died.

02:47:32.960 Finally died.

02:47:33.720 I've killed a fly with my bare hand.

02:47:35.620 Wow.

02:47:35.900 Great.

02:47:37.560 Yeah, I guess my final thoughts would be that I think men should be and have every right to be discerning.

02:47:46.140 There are women who are not OnlyFans whores out there.

02:47:49.140 Don't let anyone try to say that this is the new normal.

02:47:51.680 It's not normal.

02:47:53.460 3%?

02:47:54.280 Statistically.

02:47:54.900 Or OnlyFans.

02:47:55.580 They don't have tattoos, debt, or other men's kids.

02:47:59.640 Just so you know, guys.

02:48:00.360 Well, I mean, I think men...

02:48:02.280 Or OnlyFans.

02:48:03.620 Shout out Erin Clary.

02:48:04.640 Yeah, shout out Erin Clary.

02:48:06.280 3%.

02:48:06.720 Yeah, I mean, but be discerning.

02:48:08.920 Have your own standards.

02:48:09.760 I don't think a tattoo is necessarily going to be the same level of I am not interested in you as OnlyFans.

02:48:16.020 It's like three or more they counted, so...

02:48:18.060 Three or more tattoos?

02:48:18.880 Three or more is the threshold?

02:48:20.180 Yeah, roughly.

02:48:20.840 I can't remember if it was three or five, but they actually let women get away with one.

02:48:25.660 All right, Lauren.

02:48:26.880 Yeah, well, be discerning.

02:48:28.580 Look at the stats.

02:48:29.840 I mean, if you are a Christian man and you want a sacramental marriage and you pray every day with your family over your wife, the likelihood of you getting divorced is actually quite low.

02:48:40.660 Does that mean you have to do it?

02:48:41.540 No, but I want people to be going, look at this issue from all sides, from all angles.

02:48:46.440 You know, there are a lot of group differences out there I don't feel like are talked enough about because it's not politically correct to point that they exist.

02:48:52.720 So don't ignore those.

02:48:54.640 And ultimately, yeah, like my advice to you, if you're just like an atheist and a thruple or whatever, no, don't get married.

02:49:01.500 Don't just expect some government piece of paper to fix everything.

02:49:04.380 Go to church.

02:49:05.000 Find Christ.

02:49:06.020 Where can we find you?

02:49:06.780 So I am at the Lauren Chen on Instagram, Telegram, ex-Lauren Chen channel on YouTube, also Mediaholic if you want to watch like pop culture movie reviews.

02:49:19.160 And if you're looking for bath and body products, I gave my samples away to Benny Johnson for his wife.

02:49:24.120 But you can check out Mama Chen's like soaps, body scrubs and all that at clearlypure.etsy.com, C-L-E-A-R-L-Y-P-U-R.etsy.com.

02:49:33.140 And we have a Mother's Day sale, so you can use code MOM15 to save money.

02:49:36.780 I got some.

02:49:37.400 They're great.

02:49:38.520 So what I would say is many conservatives will try to say that religion is some buffer to divorce.

02:49:44.500 But unfortunately, there are no religious women in divorce courts.

02:49:48.140 What you often see is them trying to make a higher and higher threshold where most religious people don't count.

02:49:54.720 You're not real if you don't pray every day, yada, yada, yada, yada.

02:49:58.120 I have seen divorce happen from pastors.

02:50:01.460 I have seen it happen to men that are very religious and do not want to break up the home.

02:50:08.060 But unfortunately, when a woman wants to divorce you, the state will aid her.

02:50:12.880 And it is not.

02:50:13.780 You can't pray a woman that wants to leave into not leaving you.

02:50:16.980 Although that is not my hope.

02:50:18.360 I hope you guys all have happy marriages and have kids.

02:50:20.640 But I just think, you know, I would never downplay the risk of marriage.

02:50:26.120 And yeah, I talk about all this stuff.

02:50:28.060 I have a documentary coming out this year.

02:50:30.540 The audacitynetwork.com is where you can find my website.

02:50:34.180 And sign up for the memberships if you want to help fund the divorce documentary because I was demonetized six months ago.

02:50:40.760 And yeah, that's it.

02:50:42.220 All right.

02:50:42.760 And Pearl on YouTube.

02:50:43.860 Sorry.

02:50:44.140 Pearly things on Twitter.

02:50:44.940 The last chat I'll give to actual Justice Warrior.

02:50:47.960 He put in a super chat a while ago.

02:50:49.560 He said, I linked this stream to a male feminist.

02:50:52.420 And an hour later, he texted me back saying, what in the world are these B words babbling about?

02:50:56.840 And now he's gay married.

02:50:58.300 Also, hi, Lauren and Isabella.

02:51:00.260 Hi, Sean.

02:51:01.520 Shout out to Sean.

02:51:02.580 And this is fantastic.

02:51:03.860 We went a little bit over.

02:51:05.000 I think we could have probably gone forever.

02:51:06.360 But, you know, we probably got to wrap things up.

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02:51:10.560 We do the show every Friday morning at 10 a.m.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - May 17, 2024

The Culture War #64 Is Trad Wife Life Better, The Nature Of Women And Men w⧸Lauren Chen, Pearl Davis, Rachel Wilson, Isabella Moody

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