The Culture War #65 Escaping Communism, The Evils Of The Chinese Communist Party w⧸ Xi Van Fleet & Lily Tang Williams
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In this episode of TeamCast, we discuss the life under communism in China and escape from the Cultural Revolution. We have a special guest, former Chinese Communist Party member Xi Van Fleet, join us to talk about his experience living under Mao's Cultural Revolution and how he escaped. We also have Phil Labonte, the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, who tells us about his experiences living under communist China and why he hates the current political system in China. BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. Get ready for Las Vegas-style action at BetmGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas Strip excitement MGM is famous for when you play classics like MGM Grand, Blackjack, Baccarat, and Roulette. -BetMGM & GameSense, is betting responsibly on the future of gambling in the United States, Canada, and other countries. Please play responsibly, and be safe, and play responsibly! and to wager responsibly. - BetM GMGM on BetmoGMGM Casino, the King of Online Casinos . Betmo GMG & Gambling, the best casino game in the world, is betting on the gambling industry in the 21st century. BetM&C's 19+ to Wager Ontario only! BetMeGMGMGambling Ontario only, Betmovers, the world's leading casino game maker, is a company that offers the best in the best and the only place you can get the best deal on the highest quality casino experience in the entire world. , the best gambling and the best experience you can play the best of the highest-rated casino in the whole world, anywhere in the fastest-up and the most authentic experience on the planet, anywhere you get the most of the best place in the place you ve got the best, the most affordable, the only thing you can find the most information you can do it anywhere you can talk about it, the ultimate in the cheapest, the highest and the coolest, the coolest place on the most reliable, the most authentic thing in the , you get it all, the realest & the most everything you need to do it all.
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We're going to dive into the life under the Communist Party, escaping communism.
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And so we have a couple of great guests for us.
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Xi, would you like to go first and introduce yourself?
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Yes. My name is Xi Van Fleet, and I came from mainland China, and I spent my first 26 years under communism.
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So I know very well what it is like to live under communism.
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And I also lived through the entire 10 years of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
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I was seven when it started, and when it ended, I was 16.
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And then I spent three years in the countryside getting my re-education.
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Now it's a vocabulary that a lot of people, you know, have heard of.
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So I came to this country when I was 26, and that was 1986.
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Number first time on TeamCast, and good to see my friends here.
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And Congressional Kennedy in New Hampshire's 2nd District.
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Like Xi Van Fleet, we both survived Mao's Cultural Revolution, and we actually grew up in the same city, Chengdu, Sichuan, China.
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I was a little bit fortunate I was not sent to re-education camp during Mao's Cultural Revolution.
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But I still went through the 10 years, you know, political, social, chaos, indoctrination, and, of course, poverty.
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So I'm happy to hear on the cultural world for the first time.
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I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
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I am an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
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You know, the first question, as I'm thinking, when you're telling these stories, is do you miss your hometowns?
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Yeah, you know, I do miss because that's where I grew up.
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I have an extended family in China and lots of friends.
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But unfortunately, I'm on the blacklist of CCP since 2019.
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And 2022, when I was a congressional candidate, I got death threats from PLA grandpa in Beijing.
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When they use a PLA, People's Liberation Army, to threat your life, that means I'm a serious threat to them.
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So, I'm going to jump right into the mix, but then I will pull it back and we'll talk a little bit more generally about your experiences under communism, especially the re-education camp.
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But this question I've just had in my mind for a while.
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Would you be happy if the Republic of China government of Taiwan took over mainland China and brought back the republic government?
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Mainland Chinese already see Taiwan almost like as a shining city inside of China.
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Chinese people are able to self-govern, vote for their representative government, and voice themselves under Taiwan, but not in Mainland China.
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So, I hope that Taiwanese people will lead the way for the freedom of Chinese people.
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1.4 billion of them are not free, are under dictatorship of CCP.
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The story makes me so sad that when the Republic of China government fled the mainland to Taiwan,
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they were planning to mount an offensive to storm the mainland and save the country from communism, and they were unable to do so.
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You know, it's funny because we call it just Taiwan, but it actually, they consider themselves the official government of China.
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And I think this is a shining example of two, I consider countries, two countries and two systems and the difference.
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And it's not about Taiwan, it's better, it's the system is better, and their system is democratic.
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And also, I think this is important to know that the nationalists, the Kuomintang, they were not perfect.
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No, no, no, I'm sorry, they are authoritarian government, very corrupt, but they are not communist.
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Yes, that's the most important thing, that make it possible to reform it and to change it, and that's exactly what happened.
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It's really good that you draw that distinction because that's something that Americans don't really think of very much,
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the difference between authoritarianism and totalitarianism.
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Authoritarianism, for people that aren't aware of what the distinction is, authoritarians are perfectly fine with you hating their guts, just so long as you shut up and do what you're told.
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If you step out of line, if you step out of line, the boot's going to come down, blah, blah, blah.
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Totalitarians can't deal with you thinking differently.
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That's why you get re-education camps in communist China, because they need to change the way you think, and that's why communism typically has so many atrocities associated with it, because they're not trying to just tell you what to do, which you can get people to do what you want to do through threats of force from the state.
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They're trying to remake human beings into a different kind of person.
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They're trying to change the way you think, and you cannot do that.
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Every time it's been tried in history, it ends with piles and piles of dead bodies.
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Have you both seen the show Three Body Problem?
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I don't have time for the whole show, but I did see the opening scene, and I tweeted about it, yes.
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So, I think James Lindsay—no, I don't think this is it, is it?
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I'll see if I can find the opening scene, but it basically depicts the culture revolution.
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They're mercilessly beating a physicist because he won't say what they want them to say.
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So, she ended up in a re-education camp as a teenager?
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How did that happen, and why did they decide to lock you up?
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Red Guards were the ones that carried out the cultural revolution, that did all the work that Mao wanted them to do.
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We can talk more about it, is take down the power from the CCP for Mao.
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And so, their work was done like late 1968, and what are they going to do with them?
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And because they start to fight each other for power, they thought they're going to share power.
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So, Mao got rid of them and sent them to the countryside to get re-education.
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They were no longer useful, and they become a threat to the regime.
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Since then, everyone graduate from high school in cities were sent to the countryside.
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So, I was the last group to be sent to the countryside.
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And in the name of re-education, nothing to do with re-education.
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So, just perish in the fields with the peasants.
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Yes, my three uncles were sent to re-education camps in the countryside from the city of Chengdu.
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Your kids must go, or your parents will be going to educational camps.
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So, it was a very difficult time to see my uncle only come home once a year.
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And including one of my favorite uncles still in China.
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Today, I gave him my nine pennies I had in my pocket to say goodbye.
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And when I shook hands with David Hawk, after I destroyed him on gun control debate,
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I said, David, I'm sorry about what happened to you during the shooting and the tragic incident.
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But I said, please, do Google Mouse Cultural Revolution and the Red Guards.
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I don't want you to be, you know, ended up like them, to be thrown under the bus, useful politics.
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I hope somebody, he will Google, he will actually, you know, think about what I said to him.
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You know, we were respectful of each other at the end, you know.
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Sure, and that's a great point to bring up, that you both mentioned the Red Guard.
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The way that the Red Guard worked in China was to turn the power that, the established power,
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it was basically used to weaken the established power.
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And then once Mao was in power, he needed to get rid of him.
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And that's what happens, again, consistently this is what happens.
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The revolutionaries, the ones that will attack the existing power structure, become a liability after the revolution.
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All you people out there that think that you're going to be like, you're going to be like working in some like nice kitchen,
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making muffins for people after the revolution.
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No, turn and face the wall is what the Chinese do.
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Like, there is no way out for like the activists.
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They end up going to the gulag and getting, you know, getting disposed of, just like the counter-revolutionaries,
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All the people that would fight back get disposed of.
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And all the looters, and they thought, now it's their day, you know.
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And when they got power, they are the first one to go.
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Also, people got to understand, why did Mao start his cultural revolution?
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Every three, five years in China, when he was leader, he started a new campaign.
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During the land reform in the 50s, go after landlords.
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Too many landlords were shot to death and take their land.
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And he did not give back to peasants who believed him in communism.
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He actually said, let's have a people's campaign.
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He traveled outside of Beijing, used the Beijing, Tsinghua University students' movement
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to get rid of those political enemies inside of China's Communist Party.
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So eventually, he started a new campaign called Destroy the Four Olds and used identity politics
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between five black categories and the red five categories to fight each other tooth and nail.
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Then 20 million people died during 10 years cultural revolution.
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You mentioned the red personalities and the black personalities, the communists and the non-communists,
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which there's something similar that's going on in society nowadays with the LGBT people.
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Like if you're LGBT, if you have any kind of LGBT identity,
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that absolves you of being just a cis, white, hetero, normal, whatever, you know, the bad identity is.
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If you can adopt an LGBT identity, it's just like if you were adopting a red identity.
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It's getting you out of having the black identity in China.
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But these wonderful ladies here are explaining and relating to us these experiences that they
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The reason that they're speaking up, the reason they're writing books, the reason that Lily's
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running in New Hampshire is because they have seen this happen in another country.
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And there's all sorts of things that they see happening here now.
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You know, this is an active, real threat to the United States.
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Absolutely. And I would say what's going on in today's America is Maoism with American
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characteristics. And there's a lot of things about Maoism. One is a weaponized political
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identity. And that started in the 50s, early 50s during the land reform. And so they divided
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people into two classes, one red, one black. And you can figure out black are the ones that have
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properties, have land, they're the enemy, and then the rest are proletarian. And that is
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the beginning of political identity. And they become part of you. That's important. It's
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not just you have identity. It becomes part of your DNA because you pass it down to your
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children and your children's children. And you're all considered black class or red class. And that
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is how Mao weaponized identity. Why he want to do that? To divide people. Why he want to divide
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I've heard stories that like when where the red guard, the young people in school and stuff,
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they were turning against their parents because that was a way that they could get a red identity.
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They could get away from having the black identity. If I turn my parents in, I can get
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acceptance from my friends at school, essentially is what it boiled down to, which again, is something
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that you see in today's society with like the LGBT stuff. There's so many people that are like,
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oh, if I go ahead and call my parents bigots and call them names and stuff, my LGBT friends and stuff
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will accept me. And the LGBT, I guess the activists is what you'd call them. You know, they encourage
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people to isolate from their parents and stuff, which is so similar to the stuff that you guys
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But with Mao, it was a mandate, right? Mao, he said, from now on, these are the categories,
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you are bad. Whereas in the United States, it emerged through social media, basically.
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Well, the Mao's five black categories, basically it's under oppressor. You have peasants and workers
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and, oh, you know, that's red. So black is landowners, rich farmers, rightists, bad influencers,
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and the country's revolutionary. Three of them sounds very subjective. It's a fluid. You can be
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black. Then if you delance your family, throw your parents under the bus and change your last name
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and come out publicly, delance your family's background association, say, I'm done with my
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family. Then you become red child. Then you can join Mao's red guard. You can join young
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pileer. So communists always want to destroy nuclear families. Your loyalty should align with
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the party, with the super leader, not to your family members. That's what they do. I saw the
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South Carolina, a high school kid, a girl going to school board meetings, call her own parents
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and the racism bigots. I feel so sad. It's like, wow, what is going on in America? It's like,
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just kind of give me PTSD. This happened during mouse cultural revolution. Do our kids even know
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that? That's why parents got to know the same minorities and speak up. So this is a scene from
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Three Body Problem. Let me make it bigger so I can see it better. There you go. Was that what it was
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like? It's very much so. Huge crowds of people all cheering as they beat people. Yes. And some,
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everyone would, everyone would suffer some kind of a physical attack. Some were beaten to death
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right there. And I have a friend and because I was in elementary school and it did not happen in
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and these kids are too small. In middle school, high school, college, absolutely. And my friend...
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Middle school, that's like 10 year olds, right? 10, 11, 12?
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Yes. Yes, absolutely. And so she witnessed the kids, kids, little kids, force their principal to
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take in human faces. And there was no principal in China that did not suffer this kind of struggle.
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You hear stories, again, this is something that you hear stories similar in the US. It's not quite as bad,
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but like there's still stories where kids were hollering down their college professors because
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they, their college professor had the wrong opinion and they'll do something even if they
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don't, uh, again, the, the making a teacher eat feces is very, is pretty extreme. But like
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here in the U in the US that hasn't happened anything that extreme, but definitely making them,
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you know, make statements or making them apologize, demanding that they, they step down from positions
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Online struggle session. It's very popular nowadays.
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In the show, you see this woman here on the right of the screen. Spoilers. Um, the show's been
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out for a little bit. So if you haven't seen it there, uh, so this woman, there's a woman in the
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crowd and I believe that's her dad and she watches her dad get murdered. Yeah. That woman gets sent to
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education camps to do forced labor. But when they find out that she actually has understanding of,
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uh, radio science and, you know, astrophysics or whatever, they decide she's useful now.
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And so we'll bring her in so long as she swears, you know, fealty. The young woman who actually
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beats her dad to death gets sent to a gulag to break rocks.
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Yeah. I do want to comment, um, uh, how they divide people and how they win the people that,
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uh, belong to the, um, black category or the black class.
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And that we have a term for that nowadays in America, allies, you got to be allies.
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And it's the revolution because ally doesn't mean anything because the, the, the pride flag now
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is, it's, it's, it's, it's everything and anything that is anti Western culture.
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They say it's about pride when they put a black stripe on it. It's for black people. And it's
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like, well, black people aren't gay. I mean, some are, but mostly they're just regular people.
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And so when you're an ally, you're an ally to the flag, to the overarching ideology.
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You know, it's, you know, it's fascinating. The, uh, the swastika was in the United States,
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extremely popular, uh, and in the East still is as just a symbol, uh, that is, that is viewed
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positively. In the early 1900s, if you go to Chicago, for instance, we, we, uh, growing up
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there, we knew one house on the South side of Chicago had a big swastika on the front
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of the building. It was built into the bricks. And so they bolted in blocks to turn the swastika
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into a square because in the early 1900s, it was just a symbol of like good fortune and
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It's booty. I think it's rooted in Buddhism, right?
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So Hitler takes that symbol of good fortune, good luck, hope, peace, whatever, and turns
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it into a symbol of genocide and maniacal oppression. When we look at that symbol today,
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we think it represents a horrifying movement and ideology. The rainbow, this, this beautiful
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symbol of colors in the sky taken by the communists today. And they, they turn up, they make a flag
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for it. I would not be surprised that should we win against the modern iteration of communism
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and whatever this weird authoritarian cult is, we will look back and look at the rainbow
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flag and people will be like, no, you can't. And it'll be akin to the swastika.
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Gee, you mentioned earlier, uh, in passing, you mentioned the four olds, which is something
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I want you to, to articulate because that's something that, again, we're seeing here in the
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U.S. People don't realize it, but all of the, the attempts to take down, um, take down
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U.S. history. So it started out with things that could be, you know, the arguments that
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they made, you, if you take them at face value, like, all right, that makes sense. I understand
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where you're coming from. Maybe these, these, the Confederate statues should be in a museum.
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You, if you take it at face value, but the point isn't actually about the people that
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there isn't about actually taking it down because of the racism, it's taking it down because
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of the history. Can you go ahead and talk about that?
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Yeah. The past. What, uh, what the communists want to destroy is the past. And they want
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you to forget where you're from. You forget your, um, uh, your heritage so that you just
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blindly go to the future with them. And so the four olds is their, um, their cancel culture
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and what, uh, what they stand for is stand for old ideas, old culture, old custom and
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old habits. Anything that's Chinese basically, because, uh, Marxism is not Chinese. Remember
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that a lot of people don't, uh, uh, forget that. So anything Chinese has to be destroyed.
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They, they, uh, the Red Guard, I just pulled up on Wikipedia, desecrated the tombs of the
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Wanlai Emperor, dragged the remains of the emperor and his empresses to the front of the tomb
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where they were denounced and burned. And this is what we see with like ISIS destroying
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Not only that, but again, it's like, as much as there, there, there are people that are
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going to defend the arguments that were made. That was the point about taking down Confederate
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Any symbols, anything. And then what did they do? Of course, not only that, but, uh, anything
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that is old, statues, statues and names. You can't have a old name that somehow remind
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people of virtue of their past has to be destroyed. And they've, they've done that
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with military bases. There's, uh, Fort Bragg is now, I believe Fort Liberty. They changed
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Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty. They've done that with a bunch of military bases. They've done
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that with, uh, or they are doing it with, with other founding fathers because they were
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slave owners, right? Not that, not that they were actually fighting for the Confederacy.
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They were just founding fathers in a time where slavery was ubiquitous globally, right?
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There wasn't a place in the world that didn't practice slavery at that time, right? But because
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these men existed in that time, they must be, they're, they're...
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It's, it's not just that. Hans Christian Hagen, this is a man who was not American, who fought
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to end slavery, was never a slave owner. They destroyed his statue as well.
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Frederick Douglass, who was a slave, they destroyed his statue as well. They, they, they masquerade
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as we oppose racism and that's why we're doing it, but they're really just trying to destroy
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symbols of American history and things that, like the roots of this country.
00:25:34.620
Well, if you look at the past, uh, 36 years since I come to this country, I feel there is
00:25:41.260
some kind of agenda and a movement behind all the social issues to use that to destroy American
00:25:49.860
traditions, American exceptionalism and American values. And it's no longer single issue. You look
00:25:57.620
at past, right? From 1619 project to demonize America is systemic racist country and to CRT,
00:26:05.300
which is not popular now to DEI and to transgender movement or trans rights and, and to whatever,
00:26:13.300
you know, it's no longer single issue. It's always connected, supported by same group of people. You know,
00:26:19.060
I chose some communist socialist ex account. They all are promoting the same thing, get the college
00:26:24.260
students to be used to go out, wah, wah, wah. You know, some may be paid professional agitators,
00:26:30.660
but the, some might be just, uh, like evil college students feel like they want to be part of movement
00:26:35.300
like a red guards were. So if you look at those, uh, you know, connections, connect the dots,
00:26:40.420
and I talked about 12 features, mouse culture revolution, my ex, and lots of them are very similar
00:26:46.740
today about the tactics. They have to rewrite history, and they have to make our kids not to
00:26:52.820
learn real history so they can repeat history. They can replace with something called, you know,
00:26:58.820
also terrorism, socialism, or communism, whatever. China Communist Party is very smart. When they saw the
00:27:05.860
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00:27:10.900
we're going to expand internationally to export their authoritarianism, to export Communist Party
00:27:17.300
ideologies. And now look at their global power, look at their threat in Taiwan, and they're, you know,
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They're behind Iran, North Korea, and Russia, and Cuba. As long as the Chinese Communist Party is in
00:28:59.300
power, which is largest totalitarian country in the world, and we're going to have to fight this
00:29:12.180
Someone said, what are y'all going to do once communism is achieved? The person responds,
00:29:16.260
building gardens, teaching classes on my farm, creating organizing spaces, and cultivating
00:29:20.340
resources for my community. Basically, what I'm planning to do anyway, but without fighting
00:29:30.660
We were talking about this last night. Do these young communists really believe what
00:29:35.860
they believe? The young communists don't believe in communism. They don't know what it is.
00:29:41.540
I think it was Alex Stein was asking us, what is communism? He was like, what is socialism?
00:29:46.660
What is communism? Socialism just refers to the economics. Communism refers to the political
00:29:50.180
structure, which does have socialism within it. The issue is, young people who are manipulated,
00:29:57.460
are told by the communists, you should have no work, free stuff. You could live in a big house,
00:30:05.700
you could have a dog, and you can wake up every day and do anything you want. And they're like,
00:30:09.220
really? It's like, yep, the only reason you can't is because capitalists won't let you,
00:30:12.420
because they want you to be their slaves. And they go, wow, trust us. Once we have communism,
00:30:16.580
you'll be free. I once got into an argument with, I think it was the British Socialist Party.
00:30:22.100
And I asked them, under socialism, will I be able to say, build a car? And they were like,
00:30:29.540
do you need to build a car? And I was like, well, I like building cars. I've bought the
00:30:34.100
parts. I'm restoring a car in my garage. It's something I do in my spare time. It's fun.
00:30:37.380
It keeps me. And they said, well, then yes, if you can, you should be allowed to. I said,
00:30:40.740
where do I get the parts from? And they said, you'll simply go down to the factory and request
00:30:44.660
the parts. They'll give them to you. And I said, for free? Like, yes. And I was like,
00:30:48.820
so even though I don't work for an auto manufacturer, they will give me. And so what
00:30:52.420
if, what about everybody else who wants to make a car? They're like, of course. Yeah. Anybody,
00:30:56.020
anybody who wants to do literally anything will get free stuff from everyone.
00:30:58.900
And that's not possible. Yeah. This is absolutely the consequence of not teaching real history.
00:31:05.220
And so people don't know. You don't have to figure out because communism had a history of,
00:31:11.220
you know, it's a 100 year, more than a hundred year history. There's enough story to learn what it is.
00:31:18.580
And, but they don't teach it because they don't want to teach people the real history. And what is communism?
00:31:26.260
And, and, and, and there's many ways to, to, to, to tell the story. But the one thing is,
00:31:33.380
you work. Why? Because work is how you reform your mind. And so what kind of work?
00:31:40.500
I want to put a pin on that because this, what you're saying, work is how you, how you free your
00:31:45.940
mind. That's what the Nazis had over the entryway at Auschwitz. What is it? Set you free. Yeah.
00:31:54.340
Work will make you free. I forget what the, what it was in Germany.
00:31:59.780
And it was because the Nazis were mocking, because the Nazis associated Jews with communists,
00:32:05.540
they were mocking them. They were mocking the work will make you free.
00:32:09.700
But that's what the communists actually, you work and work not to create, not to build,
00:32:16.420
So you can do mindless, I mean, meaningless work, but work will reform you.
00:32:21.700
Dig the hole, fill it in, and you'll be a good communist.
00:32:24.500
Yes. And then why they send us to the countryside to get re-education through labor.
00:32:31.140
And so, yeah. But people don't know. That is our challenge. We need to, and Lidia and I,
00:32:37.860
are really, we should be the one that really educate. We're trying very hard to reach to them
00:32:45.460
Actually, I have an idea for you guys to host a debate right here, and me and Sivan Fuli,
00:32:51.300
with two communists, socialists, leaders, professors, or activists. That would be awesome,
00:32:59.380
Say, those kids tell me and Sivan Fuli, oh, you did not survive real communism.
00:33:05.220
We were starved, and we saw the killing, the violence, we were demonized,
00:33:11.700
and we had no freedom of speech and thought, and totally indoctrinated. And they told us,
00:33:19.620
It's kind of like, I'm imagining someone with a vial of sulfuric acid,
00:33:25.380
and they splash it in the face of another person who was singed and burned. That person who was
00:33:29.380
burned says, I was splashed with sulfuric acid. And then some crackpot hippie goes, no,
00:33:34.500
that wasn't real acid, because real acid's magic, and it does all these wonderful things.
00:33:38.020
Yeah. It's like, no, listen, communism is acid. It burns and destroys. Just because you think
00:33:43.540
it's something different doesn't change the fact that it is acid.
00:33:46.020
Yeah. And you describe it as acid, and I've actually heard James Lindsay describe it,
00:33:51.620
this ideology as societal acid. And it really is a great way to describe it, because it breaks down
00:33:57.780
the foundations of your society first. You guys were talking about how the Red Guard really made the
00:34:04.660
power structure. It made it possible for Mao to come in and take power. So I want you guys to go
00:34:15.860
ahead and articulate a little bit more about what your experience was when things were actually
00:34:22.980
happening. Lily, can you tell me about what it was like when you were hearing your uncles were
00:34:27.860
getting sent to the gulag? And like, what was your experience there?
00:34:31.860
Well, because the Red Guards, after made Mao a supreme leader of China, they were becoming very
00:34:38.020
violent. They were fighting each other in the cities, and the bodies were flowing down the rivers.
00:34:44.820
Yes. They were fighting each other for power struggle. They got a hold of guns, too. So people die,
00:34:50.500
and bodies flowing down the river. The Chinese general told Mao,
00:34:54.180
Mao, you got to do something with those violent young kids. And they have no schools.
00:34:58.420
Schools were shut down by Mao. So Mao got this brilliant idea. Yeah, let's send them to countryside,
00:35:04.180
send them away. I go to Beijing, become supreme leader. I'm finished with those young kids.
00:35:09.780
Throw them under the bus, and all the urban youth, many of them go to countryside for decades. And when you
00:35:15.940
go to countryside, like my uncles did, you could not even get married. Because if you marry a local
00:35:21.060
person in the rural China, you are not allowed to come back to cities anymore. Your household
00:35:26.100
registration, your personnel file were being stuck, you know, in the countryside. So my uncle went
00:35:31.860
there at 17, come home 27, no wife, no high school diploma, and very bitter, and just basically worked
00:35:42.100
And then similar, and so when he came back, he really couldn't just assimilate back into normal
00:35:47.300
life, right? He was still, there was still an underclass, which is something that's that people
00:35:51.620
say, communists in the U.S. like to say, oh, you know, our, our punitive system, our jail system,
00:35:56.900
it makes people so they, you know, there's recidivism, and they can't, they can't get a job after they get
00:36:01.860
I want to ask something our young people need to know. How did those Red Guards work so hard,
00:36:07.940
fight back to move back to the cities? They threatened the regime, mass suicide,
00:36:14.100
lie their bodies on the railway tracks to say, you need us come back, or we're going to cure
00:36:19.140
ourselves. We cannot live like this. And that got the provincial government attention and the central
00:36:26.420
government attention. Okay, if your parents retire from state factories, have a job waiting for you,
00:36:31.940
then you can come back to the cities. And so gradually, my three uncles come back.
00:36:38.100
And, but the thing is, so their life is very sad.
00:36:41.300
So someone had to retire before they could come back?
00:36:43.140
Yeah, my grandparents have to retire to give them a job. Otherwise, they are afraid they're
00:36:47.860
coming back to revolution again and rise up against the ruling class. You will be violent again. Cultural
00:36:53.860
revolution repeats. Okay, so you only have to come back if your parents retire, have a job for you.
00:36:59.700
And it's, their whole generation is very sad. But lots of people are not even taught that. In China's
00:37:05.540
internet, our young people in China, you cannot Google, like a Tiananmen Square massacre, mouse
00:37:12.660
cultural revolution, and the Red Guards, all these censored words. That's a communist tactic,
00:37:17.300
these censored words, not just rewrite history. You cannot even use those words anymore. You cannot find
00:37:22.660
them the truth. And I want to put a pin in something you said that she's taught,
00:37:25.700
she is talking about Google, right? Like, this is actually Google. This is the Google that's here.
00:37:30.260
So if you think that the Google that is in America is different to the Google?
00:37:35.220
No, it's China. It's China. Google's not even allowed in China.
00:37:39.060
Yeah, they were working on something to get into China.
00:37:42.020
Okay, I thought they had gotten in there. I thought they said, okay, with the censorship.
00:37:45.060
No foreign social media or media is allowed. Once you step out of the plane in China,
00:37:53.700
But it's just really limited, and it's not popular in China, right?
00:38:06.100
Don't believe it. I was there the last time was 2020.
00:38:10.260
And absolutely, the moment you step out of the plane in China,
00:38:20.260
And so, yeah. But I do want to explain something to your audience about what Lily described,
00:38:27.940
and it's called household registration system. What does that mean?
00:38:33.380
This is such a foreign concept to most of the people in the world.
00:38:38.500
As soon as the communists took over China, they tried to control the population.
00:38:44.020
Everyone has to register at your place of birth.
00:38:48.500
If you're a peasant, you're registered as a rural.
00:38:51.700
You become a part of the rural population and in the city.
00:38:57.540
And so, everyone has, it's like a little internal passport.
00:39:04.020
But that determines for the city, people, whether you get any rations.
00:39:11.620
And so, and you can't move from one place to another.
00:39:16.580
And if I live in Chengdu, I decided I want to go to live in Beijing.
00:39:20.180
You can't do that because the household registration system would not allow you.
00:39:26.740
If you are rural, you can't just come to the city.
00:39:30.180
And today, it's a little bit loosened, but it's still the same.
00:39:34.820
I cannot move to Beijing and enjoy all the basic social services provided by the government for that city.
00:39:43.860
And if you are rural population, you, the same thing.
00:39:48.420
So they can't, they are the ones, the peasants are the ones that provide the cheap labor that create the boom.
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They could not take their kids with them and to send them to school.
00:41:28.100
They have to pay a lot of money and they could not afford it.
00:41:37.540
I can give everybody out there a tip for those who play video games.
00:41:41.940
I don't know if this is true, but it sounds true.
00:41:44.020
That someone said they were playing on a multiplayer game online with someone from China who is
00:41:50.420
So they sent them a direct message saying Tiananmen Square and their account instantly disappeared.
00:41:55.940
And to add to that, when people all know about China's social credit system, right?
00:42:01.060
Which is online on cell phone tracking you now and give you rating score kind of like ESG or
00:42:07.460
the old vaccine passport they were trying to promote.
00:42:10.420
But it's traced back to China PRC funding and that household registration.
00:42:17.540
My parents got married with the Communist Party blessing because my dad was a Communist Party member.
00:42:22.740
You had to get a party boss to prove your marriage, prove your spouse, do research on your spouse.
00:42:33.540
When I was born as a first child of three children and I was added to the household,
00:42:39.780
Go to local government to get a food rationing coupon, get a health care benefit.
00:42:44.660
Otherwise, if you don't register, you don't get a guaranteed family food even.
00:42:49.940
That's how they always control the food supply, your health care, your work units.
00:42:55.380
They call the work units basically your employers and your housing.
00:43:06.900
That's why people always say, why Chinese are so passive?
00:43:10.420
There are like 100 million Christians in China.
00:43:12.900
Only 90 million Chinese Communist Party member.
00:43:16.020
The tyranny of the minority ruling over the majority.
00:43:24.500
When a person rises up against the regime, your entire family is at risk.
00:43:30.260
That's why so many people in this country, Chinese Americans today, are silenced, are not political,
00:43:35.860
not speak up like she and I, because we're from Sichuan.
00:43:44.580
You guys have both heard stories of Chinese police in the US.
00:43:56.980
This is something I really want people, young people in spirit to understand.
00:44:03.780
It is one of the worst slavery ever existed in the history of humanity.
00:44:08.980
It controls every aspect of your life, what you can have, where you can live, who you can marry,
00:44:16.340
and what you can think, and what you can speak, of course.
00:44:23.540
And the Communist Party, they absolutely believe they own every Chinese in the, on earth, you know,
00:44:33.540
even if you're a citizen here, they feel like they should control you because they own you.
00:44:42.100
And they absolutely, absolutely watching everyone, Chinese, what they do.
00:44:49.460
And if they become a threat, something has to be done.
00:44:52.660
And that's why they have police, they have police station in Europe as well for, yeah, for the CCP.
00:45:03.460
Yeah, once you were Chinese, you're always Chinese in their mind.
00:45:08.500
They asked me to shut up and be silenced in this country.
00:45:18.340
And plus, I said, live in a free state, live free or die.
00:45:25.620
But lots of Chinese have families, they have business, and they are being censored on WeChat.
00:45:31.620
So my classmate group in China, I don't know what they posted, 60 classmates were banned.
00:45:39.860
So now it's like I can only talk to my friends one to one.
00:45:43.380
But I cannot talk to, you know, big group anymore because they're watching you 24-7.
00:45:56.340
You don't know, maybe 30,000, 35,000 Chinese spies at the northern border.
00:46:01.300
How many of them come in as a military-aged man?
00:46:06.740
Yeah, I mean, I don't expect you guys to have any kind of inside information about, like,
00:46:11.460
what is coming, like, what kind of influx of Chinese nationals has come through the southern border.
00:46:17.380
But could you speak to what the CCP is likely to do to try to influence the United States policy and stuff like that?
00:46:27.780
Because no one seems to know who are coming in, you know.
00:46:31.140
But this, I can tell people, yes, that's a concern.
00:46:36.740
But the people who are here legally sent by the CCP, they are already in places that, like, in universities, in research, institutions, in corporations.
00:46:54.540
So, yes, we can worry about the new illegal coming in.
00:47:05.780
My view is that TikTok is effectively an attack by the CCP and the younger generation in the United States to destroy their brains.
00:47:14.260
And then as they age, the country becomes destabilized.
00:47:17.500
And this is exemplified by it's a minority stake the CCP's got in TikTok, but they're refusing to sell and they're laying people off instead of doing it.
00:47:33.500
It's a totally different version of Western TikTok versus Chinese.
00:47:37.500
Chinese version is all patriotism, science, engineering, and anti-America, you know, patriotic stuff.
00:47:44.520
But here, it's all about the messed up our young kids' minds and promote anti-American agenda and identity politics.
00:47:51.740
And, of course, that when I was in Scotland, I even got interviewed by a parental rights group and talked to some trans teenagers in Scotland.
00:48:07.120
Is this a transgender issue happening in China?
00:48:15.400
You know, even if you are gay, you have to be closeted gay.
00:48:22.000
If you're an adult, whatever life you want to choose to live, whatever, it's fine.
00:48:29.580
But if you do mess with our children, then mama bears and daddy bears should rise up to protect your children.
00:48:36.520
Because children are not able to still think critically.
00:48:44.200
But I see this is their soft power by CCP to infiltrate into the West, to do the Western Cultural Revolution, to replace with their globalist agenda.
00:48:54.780
And because China has Xi Jinping's China dream, which is by 2049, they want to be the number one global power, militarily, diplomatically, economically, and, you know, technologically.
00:49:11.880
Think about China will become a more democratic country if they just joined WTO, would to trade with them.
00:49:18.240
Look, foreign companies, foreign investment are leaving China now.
00:49:21.080
Because Xi Jinping is idyllic, and it's like a new Mao, basically.
00:49:29.060
But he's using his soft power, Silk Road Initiative, police stations, Confucius Institute, all the pro-City Chinese trade groups inside the United States, and the universities.
00:49:42.960
Yale School had a campus, like some Yale Center.
00:49:45.840
When I visited China in 2015, doing student exchanges, all those are part of China's United Front targets.
00:49:55.920
So you talk about Chinese newspapers, Chinese churches, and the Wall Street, our corporation boardrooms.
00:50:02.820
There are lots of things happening in this country.
00:50:04.580
That's why those people don't want to interview me, except Epoch Times, NTD TV, because I speak the truth, because that's my duty as American citizen.
00:50:15.340
I'm sure they're going to interfere with my campaign and supply to my opponents, because I'm threat.
00:50:21.700
But I just want to warn people, you know, if you still think China is going to become a more democratic country like Taiwan or under Xi Jinping, you are delusional.
00:50:35.720
It's not like in the 90s, openly not doing economy.
00:50:38.680
Xi does not even care about economy because he locked people down for two years during COVID.
00:50:43.500
My friends were inside their apartment for 10 weeks, having mental breakdowns, building their apartment doors.
00:50:53.940
And people need to realize that, you know, we need to really probably not to rely on China.
00:50:59.640
We can, you know, trying to, you know, work with them.
00:51:03.300
But if you just cotto to them, it's not going to work.
00:51:06.540
Do you think that if China were to attack Taiwan, the U.S. should get involved to defend Taiwan?
00:51:10.460
The U.S. has an agreement, actually, to say we would defend Taiwan.
00:51:20.440
But today, because we grew up, they always say, let's liberate Taiwan someday.
00:51:26.880
So, and now, with China's economy is bad, and the U.S.-China relationship is heating up, and Xi Jinping is not predictable.
00:51:34.960
And to distract Chinese people from folks on bad economy, domestic unrest, and internal power struggle, you don't know what it's going to do.
00:51:46.540
That's why I have been saying, you need to decouple from China.
00:51:50.360
We need to not rely on them for lots of critical supplies.
00:51:55.680
And then we need not to also poke the bear, not to poke.
00:52:00.920
So, for example, Taiwan will not declare independence and just status quo and trying to contain China, deter the war.
00:52:10.840
Because we are the country of now, renowned China, borrow from China, you know, to expand out-of-control deficit spending.
00:52:23.440
So, we need to contain China, but also decouple from China.
00:52:27.120
Relying on ourselves instead of relying on them.
00:52:29.660
Relying on our more, you know, friendly allies in the region, like, you know, South Korea, Japan, you know, other countries.
00:52:37.340
And so, I think, you know, when I go to Congress, I will offer invaluable insight and, you know, feedback.
00:52:44.920
Because I stick to Chinese news in Mandarin Chinese every day.
00:52:49.040
And I have friends like Xi Van Fuli and other people who tell me what's going on in China.
00:52:54.520
But we need to have a very sensible Chinese policy.
00:52:58.480
What – I think we should ask your story again, Lily, about how you escaped.
00:53:10.360
Well, so, after Mao died, and CCP was really on its deathbed.
00:53:17.380
So, this is something I try to remind Americans.
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And so, but going back to what happened after the Cultural Revolution, really everything was in ruins.
00:55:21.540
And Deng Xiaoping, the successor, had no choice, really no choice.
00:55:28.380
So he had this famous doctrine, black cat, white cat, as long as it catches mouth, it's a good cat.
00:55:34.800
Whatever ism, if it can survive, if it can save CCP from just disappearing, and we'll do it.
00:55:45.500
That's why he opened China up and invited the foreign investment.
00:55:54.700
And then that was the time that we were allowed to go to study abroad.
00:56:11.300
And since then, since the early 80s, people could come.
00:56:19.600
To get the passport, you have to, you know, get permission from your employer, your boss, your party.
00:56:26.860
And you have to pledge that you will come back to save, to serve your motherland and all that.
00:56:36.280
So if my motherland treated me any better, I would.
00:56:39.760
No, my motherland abused all of us and killed us.
00:56:50.420
And I left in 1988 after carefully planning my escape for two years.
00:56:59.180
If my Communist Party boss would not give me permission to quit my job, go apply for a passport, I would be stuck in China.
00:57:09.320
I told this in my interviews many times to say, you know, I want to go get my master's degree.
00:57:14.740
As law school faculty member, I only had a bachelor's degree.
00:57:20.420
And I had to participate in political studies and butter him up as exchange for my freedom.
00:57:26.220
You had to do a whole, like, basically just fake a whole life or fake a whole opinion so that we could get the approval.
00:57:42.080
But I say, well, if you imagine without lying, without escape, and you tell them the truth, I'm going to come to the United States, I will never go back.
00:57:55.440
And I have to carefully, I also cannot tell anybody, I'm going to come here, live under freedom.
00:58:02.140
I'm never going back to that totalitarian country.
00:58:09.280
Except my former boyfriend, I told him, I'm not going back.
00:58:12.500
You know, that's why we had a very loose relationship goodbye at the airport to say, I don't know where I'm going to see you each other.
00:58:21.440
You know, I met my husband first night in Austin, Texas.
00:58:24.160
But I feel like, you know, my nightmare now for first 10 years in this country, I was still dreaming about I was stuck in China.
00:58:37.260
I could dig a hole, dig a hole on the ground to swim across Pacific Ocean.
00:58:44.640
So that's why, you know, I feel freedom, liberty is my North Star.
00:58:49.460
Because if you feel you could be trapped there forever, I don't know.
00:58:56.440
Did you, what was the first thing you did when you guys got to the United States?
00:59:02.120
That's what people do when they get out of prison, you know?
00:59:06.560
I was, yeah, my sponsor, the American who I met in China, she came to teach in my college.
00:59:15.520
She was the one taking care of me for the first week or two before I got settled.
00:59:23.420
The impression was, it's just overwhelming, absolutely overwhelming to come to a new country when everything is new.
00:59:30.140
And I have to think about what's the first thing that I feel like I have to deal with.
00:59:39.800
When you live under communism, you do not have choice.
00:59:45.100
Did you guys, you thought currency though, right?
00:59:55.580
The money is, of course, the salary from my parents.
01:00:04.160
So I was, have to be subsidized by my, by my parents.
01:00:09.100
But so, but how did the economic system work, right?
01:00:11.280
Because I know that like East Germany, didn't they do like books where they would, you'd go to the...
01:00:16.380
But I have to tell you a story of what happened in the countryside and how, this is something that I just, in many ways, glad I get the experience to live in the, with the peasants and see how, how they live.
01:00:34.060
And so in the, the commute, that's people's commute.
01:00:37.260
So the land belonged to the people, which is the state, you know, people, you know, people, you know.
01:00:43.120
So that's why now the university, Columbia University, the, the encampment said people's university.
01:00:57.760
And I, real quick, if you go to any of these encampments where they have the people's library, if you try to do anything that defies their control, they will use force against you.
01:01:06.900
It's not, it's not, it's not the people's library.
01:01:15.620
So the peasants have no choice what to plan, what to do.
01:01:23.520
So every morning we would go to the gathering place and then the production team leader, party leader will say, we do this today.
01:01:37.120
Points is, you use that later during harvest time to get, to get food, to get what you produce.
01:01:50.820
And usually they would sell their chickens or sell something, but that was considered capitalism.
01:02:00.100
So they have no way of, the points doesn't give you anything.
01:02:05.280
They're going to give you food unless you use some of your surplus to sell and get cash.
01:02:13.940
So we have three young people that are sent to this little production team.
01:02:19.140
So when our first trip back home for a little break, the peasants came to us and say, can you please buy a little bit, a little walk?
01:02:33.100
Or just very, very basic kitchen utensils because it's not even available in the countryside.
01:02:46.400
So three of us, we took some orders, we went back, and we still have money, you know, now from our parents.
01:03:05.940
Of course, when I grew up in the cities, my parents worked for a state factory six days a week.
01:03:13.300
And so you use a household registration booklet to go get your local food rationing, fabric rationing, sugar coupons, meat coupons, protein coupons.
01:03:24.760
They think that if you go to people's commute, then you will just take whatever they need.
01:03:33.180
This is really illustrative of why technology like Bitcoin actually is valuable.
01:03:41.440
Most Americans don't understand what it's like to not have access to get money, right?
01:03:48.100
It's like even people that are broke in the U.S., you can still kind of get access to money, whether it be begging or playing music on the street or something.
01:03:57.720
You can get access to it, the conditions that you're describing, there is no cash, right?
01:04:03.600
Like there is no, like nobody in town has any cash.
01:04:08.080
So something like Bitcoin that can be used, like that could be used in one location.
01:04:14.240
You could use Bitcoin like in just a village for people to exchange, you know, rice or chickens or eggs or whatever, those kind of things.
01:04:23.700
And it gives people the ability to actually interact with each other in an economic way that is impossible without cash, without some kind of thing.
01:04:34.760
And Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, not just Bitcoin, but cryptocurrencies overall allow that kind of exchange to happen.
01:04:41.940
You cannot because CCP banned crypto because crypto decentralization currency means freedom for the people.
01:05:01.220
Well, that's why I always tell people I'm absolutely opposed to, you know, CBDC, Central Bank Digital Currency.
01:05:08.280
But I support the gold and silver precious metals.
01:05:12.840
I like to invest in crypto because, you know, that I don't want anybody to track me and they're afraid your bank account.
01:05:19.900
You're like the truckers for freedom in Canada.
01:05:29.640
Well, the thing is, though, that the country direction was going, though, like Biden had the exact order to say, hey, we're going to try to use CBDC.
01:05:38.660
If you let the central government to control your finances, then you were being enslaved.
01:05:54.360
It's like a Chinese say, oh, social credit score is so convenient.
01:05:57.700
And you can say, who is the bad guy on your cell phone next to you in the bus?
01:06:04.120
You know, it's like, no, you are being enslaved.
01:06:09.520
If you're sitting next to the bad guy on the bus for too long, your social credit score goes down.
01:06:14.180
I do think that's very, very important to understand.
01:06:23.640
No, yeah, we're talking about the cultural world.
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You know, why are they pushing all this absolutely insanity to all of us?
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And so currency or cultural war is to divide people and so that to control them.
01:08:33.600
Control and power is the essence of the cultural war.
01:08:37.340
What is the, like, the Chinese Communist Party members, the young, you know, you've probably
01:08:43.900
got young men who are joining up really excited.
01:08:48.200
I mean, it's not hard to know that they're bad things.
01:08:52.020
Do they genuinely believe that they're good or what?
01:08:57.460
If you want to move up, if you want to have influence, if you want to have power, that's
01:09:04.780
You are excluded to a lot of, lot of things if you're not a party member.
01:09:20.300
And I said in my book, I tried to, I tried to become a party member because I know if
01:09:27.080
I become a party member, I may be able to get out of the countryside.
01:09:31.180
There's a lot of good things to go with being a party member.
01:09:39.440
You have to say everything they want you to say.
01:09:42.440
You have to prove you have the correct thoughts.
01:09:45.280
So what you're articulating right now is something that, again, we see, and Tim talks about a lot,
01:09:50.340
when he says that the people that are woke in the U.S., the majority of them, don't know
01:10:00.500
They're just doing what they know is socially beneficial.
01:10:05.800
So they do things that are going to make sure that they're going to get the job.
01:10:11.360
And they're not going to have to worry about their friends looking down.
01:10:14.180
And they're not going to have to worry about their friends leaving.
01:10:16.000
Like, that's a bunch of social pressure that happens that's never articulated by anyone.
01:10:22.420
Just everyone knows that if you have the wrong opinion, you're going to get looked down on
01:10:26.620
So this is, we already have the beginning, the foundation of a social credit system in
01:10:31.960
And one of the things that we're doing now is desensitizing people to the concept, right,
01:10:36.320
desensitizing people in the U.S. to the concept of if your friends and family and everybody
01:10:41.240
disapproves of it, there's a significant negative cost to that.
01:10:45.360
And then, so once the gut, if the government ever intends to or tries to institute a social
01:10:51.540
credit system that's actually something that's where you would be tracked on your phone or
01:10:54.540
whatever, it's a concept that the people here are already familiar with and already have
01:10:59.560
become comfortable with because they have fallen into doing it before the government
01:11:07.220
I'm interested in implementing a social credit system in this country and then giving all
01:11:10.920
the communists zeros and then all of a sudden communism is gone in this country because
01:11:22.100
Well, that's one of the reasons I feel that I have to run for public office to go to
01:11:31.020
We have seen enough of that control during the pandemic.
01:11:34.900
Remember how many people today, the silent majority today, lots of them are still afraid
01:11:40.440
to speak up because it's a cancel world culture.
01:11:43.660
If you're not actively, loudly to be with them, then you can be called, your business will get
01:11:51.140
canceled and you will have the government come after you.
01:11:56.460
I have people telling me, I cannot donate to your campaign because I will get audited by
01:12:04.480
I have been up front in loudly speaking up to say, if you're a silent majority, you think
01:12:11.100
you can keep your head down and everything will be over?
01:12:15.860
You give them a one inch to the radical leftist Marxist.
01:12:24.160
Now you see what happened in Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge companies take over, overnight,
01:12:33.780
The Khmer Rouge, in the time that they were in control of Cambodia, they killed 20% of
01:12:45.340
Like you were glasses, you're crippled, killed, you know.
01:12:57.060
The Khmer Rouge killed around two million people.
01:13:02.860
But when you think about it as 20% of the population, that's one in five people got murdered by the
01:13:12.840
That means everybody in Cambodia knows someone that was murdered by the government.
01:13:21.200
You said, you know, up to 80 million Chinese were killed under Mao.
01:13:28.220
Do you have, you know, grave, mass grave sites?
01:13:32.740
And that is a really, um, uh, misconcept of how communists kill people.
01:13:40.200
And, uh, yes, there are government killing people, run them up and execute them.
01:13:47.200
And, uh, but you know, who killed, uh, what, what most lethal is the, the control.
01:14:04.840
So can you, can you, there's a couple of stories that I'd love to elaborate, to get into, to
01:14:10.440
Can you tell the story of the sparrows in China?
01:14:16.900
The sparrows that, uh, cause the crops, you know, issues.
01:14:20.840
The mouth, the mouth, in order to, you know, show them.
01:14:24.180
So the, he said to kill all the birds cause the birds were eating the seeds, but the birds
01:14:34.560
The argument that he was making, he's like, they're not communist birds.
01:14:37.660
They're not, they don't have the spirit of the Chinese people in them.
01:14:41.740
That's when the, uh, the dictator running the country is whatever.
01:14:59.880
So that was a, a very good example of how insanity took over China on their mouth.
01:15:20.360
You have to show that you had like a four rats.
01:15:35.100
There, there, there was also the pig iron story.
01:15:44.380
That is the reason for the cultural revolution.
01:15:53.280
One after another, sometimes several in the same time.
01:15:57.120
Every one of them left millions, millions people dead.
01:16:00.900
And so by, uh, 1959, he feel like it is time to focus on economy.
01:16:07.240
You know, the political campaign still, uh, stabilizes his rule.
01:16:14.480
You think he would, um, think about improve the Chinese economy to improve people's living
01:16:24.920
He wants to, in 15 or 10, 15 years to surpass the, uh, steel production of UK and United States.
01:16:33.620
And then later said, no, we can do it in eight years.
01:16:37.760
Eventually they say they can do it in two years because they have 600 million Chinese at their
01:16:45.320
Everyone now, everyone will just do one thing, steel production.
01:16:49.340
So peasants, uh, peasants, uh, city dwellers, and the kids, they all got involved in steel
01:16:59.480
And, uh, so, uh, and the homemade furnaces set up everywhere.
01:17:06.480
Well, everyone was asked to search in the household.
01:17:10.100
Anything that's made of metal, doorknobs, kitchen utensil, had to be thrown into the
01:17:29.740
And that was the beginning of the great famine.
01:17:33.840
You're articulating the problems that come from central planning because you cannot predict
01:17:40.720
what is going to happen when you make a massive decree like that.
01:17:45.240
Something as, as broad as get rid of the sparrows or get, you know, give us all the steel or
01:17:49.880
But this is also the meme where it's the, it's the fat, slovenly Wojak saying, I live in my
01:17:57.680
I'm overweight, out of shape, but here's how I would fix government.
01:18:03.500
That's why, that's why our kids, if they don't understand history, of course, they're going
01:18:09.100
Here's another thing I want to add to what Anxi said, that Mao went to countryside and trying
01:18:15.780
to compete with the Soviet Union because he fell out with the Soviet Union starting that
01:18:19.840
time and said, we're going to pass, you know, Soviet Union in agricultural output.
01:18:23.660
So he went to countryside, told the peasants how to grow food by putting the crops really
01:18:33.480
But because he's supposed to be a supreme leader, the parents are afraid to tell him
01:18:41.700
And so they have to follow the supreme leader's central directive.
01:18:45.360
And when people starving to death, after they turn over their food to the government, they
01:18:52.060
And local leaders of Communist Party will not tell the central government, oh, we have starvation
01:19:01.040
Sichuan, my home province with Xi's is most agricultural, you know, arable land never happened.
01:19:07.280
The mass starvation before, mass famine before.
01:19:11.120
Yeah, because a crazy center, you know, leadership, Mao's economic policies, estimate 50 million
01:19:18.920
people, peasants in the country that supported communism and thought they're going to have land, they're going to have food, and they were starving to death.
01:19:27.360
And the worst part is that when their children died, so sad, they could not, they could not eat their own children's bodies to survive.
01:19:35.820
If communism was documented in Sichuan, they switched people's children's bodies to survive.
01:19:42.700
And our kids should learn that part of history.
01:19:46.120
Oh, they think communism is wonderful, I would just have my own, you know, this or that.
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You know, you live in a utopian society in your head.
01:19:58.900
And just a group of people, or just one person make a decision for the whole country.
01:20:06.880
He said, the more people will make the fire go higher, you know.
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This population to have more babies, to compete with the Soviet Union, because after World War II, Stalin encouraged the Russian women to have more babies.
01:21:53.060
If you have more, you get hero mother awards, things like that.
01:21:59.840
So he believed just by pure manpower, he can achieve what he had in his mind.
01:22:17.080
One child policy is, you know, this is a crime that committed by the CCP that not talked enough.
01:22:25.420
It's just the biggest crime ever committed on women.
01:22:30.160
They're just women, pregnant women were dragged, hunted down and dragged to the hospital to have forced abortion.
01:22:37.860
And young women of childbearing age has to show their period, report to the street committee.
01:22:46.540
So make sure you're not pregnant without planning.
01:22:49.980
You're giving a quota to allow to have a child.
01:22:54.900
So, but this is all because a bunch of people, they control the entire nation.
01:23:05.480
Whoever, whatever, the people are the ones that suffer.
01:23:11.660
From forced abortion and sterilization, one child policy.
01:23:16.140
And now they're promoting, use government mandate, the power to, you must have second child.
01:23:24.820
If you don't give state, second child, you're losing money.
01:23:39.280
China is losing to India now in terms of population.
01:23:45.620
So party member, the benefit, there is also baggage.
01:23:54.300
If you want a promotion or even if you want your job.
01:24:04.000
This is a, it's a website documenting what was going on.
01:24:07.440
It says that the Red Guard were, were radical and causing problems.
01:24:11.040
So that's when the government decided to send the students to the countryside to work.
01:24:15.620
I mean, I think it's kind of ironic though, because many of the communists in this country
01:24:20.380
haven't done any work ever and would benefit from doing some legitimate farm work.
01:24:25.980
Not an illegitimate, get them out of the cities, but spend two weeks on a farm learning
01:24:30.360
to tend to some animals and might change your views on communism.
01:24:32.940
Well, I offered to send somebody to China countryside for a year.
01:24:40.920
So this, I also use this photo to show how Mao liberated the Chinese women.
01:24:53.740
From their household, from their children, from their husband.
01:24:57.900
And you think that now they can have a peaceful life and a restful life.
01:25:02.860
No, they have to now, it's really right after the Chinese took over.
01:25:48.520
See, this is, again, this is something that we talk about a lot here.
01:25:52.080
Feminism in the U.S., nowadays, essentially, it looks at women and says,
01:26:00.480
And that's the productivity, be the boss, et cetera, as opposed to,
01:26:07.640
you should be the, I'm searching for the word, you should be a feminine.
01:26:16.300
So when they left it, that's why they cracked me up.
01:26:19.500
When they always say, well, for women's rights, for women's choice, only abortion.
01:26:26.460
And they're allowing biological men to go to prisoner's sales because they identify as
01:26:33.220
They crush girls' sports and, you know, cancel Title 19 or remand the policy.
01:26:40.920
If you are still moderate Democrat, if you are still so-called traditional feminist, you
01:26:50.840
Basically, they're canceling real women and mothers.
01:26:53.660
Remember, you cannot even say, you know, mothers anymore.
01:26:57.480
And at the same time, they're allowed this six-foot dude, you know, go to the woman's cell.
01:27:03.200
And, you know, he had an even history of raping women.
01:27:06.900
And the judge who did that now is promoted or supposed to be confirmed like by being a
01:27:15.160
It's not about a woman, children or the minority.
01:27:21.360
Leftist, Marxist, well, progressive will use you to achieve the agenda.
01:27:25.100
So I always say to people, please, if you are still Democrat, you cannot vote for them
01:27:31.640
The party who is controlling Democrats now, their leadership, some of those people, they
01:27:40.220
It's all about, actually, when I talk about femininity, it's about woman's choice.
01:27:45.360
If you want to be a career woman, you want to be CEO, go for it.
01:27:53.560
But if you want to choose to be mother, to be wife, to be domestic, that's fine, too.
01:28:00.540
We all should respect personal values and choices.
01:28:07.040
But now they only want you to choose what they want you to choose.
01:28:18.240
So basically, the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the Cultural War here is really about challenging
01:28:27.860
the very basic values, that shared values of a society.
01:28:34.740
And so in China, we were told that there's no difference between two genders, right?
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And now there's just, you can have as many genders as you imagine.
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And so everything is, why I call it Marxist Cultural Revolution?
01:28:56.320
And then people say, okay, you call it Marxist and you call Xi Jinping's regime Marxist.
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I'm going to tell you my answer and you tell us yours.
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So, why would Mao launch this Cultural Revolution and really set up all the young people to do
01:29:39.580
That's why he want to destroy the culture in order to get power.
01:29:59.400
You want what Xi Jinping said, harmonious society.
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And if you challenge their policies, challenging their rule, and you release negative energy,
01:30:15.540
you are harming the harmony and you're going to be dealt with.
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Because they don't have the consolidated power.
01:30:28.320
And that, I think, once you understand, everything else really starts to look more clear.
01:30:36.620
And also, I want to say, and now you, just like the Red Guards, they were told they could
01:30:50.820
And then we were told, we can only do this, not that.
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Now, everyone is encouraged to do, to be whatever.
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You think that will be the future when they get in power?
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No, you can only be the way they want you to be.
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You can only be, you know, you can only think this way.
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That's why we say eye to eye, because it's, we call this right now, what's going on, work
01:31:28.440
Because no matter what new groups they create, under oppressor or under press, it's always
01:31:35.300
going back the same Marxism, you know, because they're going to demoralize you.
01:31:43.400
They're going to destroy American ideals and the values and destroy nuclear families, then
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take over, you know, your properties, then they do whatever goes on.
01:31:52.660
Well, we still have Second Amendment, thank goodness, you know, that's why, you know, that's
01:32:09.720
And then once they have control everything, and they can do whatever they want.
01:32:14.440
Now they're importing all the 10 million illegals who come here.
01:32:20.080
They're not political religious refugees, but our immigration law and asylum is basically
01:32:28.120
abused after Biden's new executive order, right, to reverse all the Trump's border policies.
01:32:36.520
Now they are the most new oppressed group because you dare to challenge that.
01:32:42.200
You cannot even call them illegal aliens anymore.
01:32:49.540
So what they do, they're going to promote equity, DEI, in our corporations, militaries,
01:32:58.500
So they use this identity politics to take over all society.
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You guys were relating earlier today about the red and the black identities.
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That was the identity politics that Mao used in China for the viewers and listeners,
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Identity politics was already used in China so that the communists could take power, right?
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So all the things that you're seeing here in the U.S., like identity politics and stuff,
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like that is an attempt to destabilize the United States so that way people that are looking to have – to change the government so they can take – essentially become an authoritarian government because there are groups and people that want to see the United States be like China.
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That is – the Chinese government is an attractive system to other governments because it's total control.
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All of the identity politics stuff, if we lose our right to free speech and our right to property and stuff like that, all that stuff will end.
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It'll end immediately, and it will not be tolerated one bit anymore.
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All the identity politics is about getting the left into power.
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Once they are in positions of power, all of it stops, and they will come down with the boot.
01:35:44.060
And you see it in a—you see a microcosm of it, people on the left.
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You see it happening on college campuses right now because I know there's a lot of people on the left that are very pro-Palestine and very anti-Israel, and you're looking at the protests and stuff like that.
01:35:56.660
Well, the people that are in positions of power at those college campuses, they're sick of your stuff, and the boot comes down, man.
01:36:05.520
I will say, though, if the communists win and I end up in a camp breaking rocks, I will still enjoy the cathartic reality of all of these communist college students standing alongside me breaking rocks.
01:36:18.980
Because, like, you know, reading about the Cultural Revolution, the Red Guard, they were helping the Chinese Communist Party.
01:36:25.580
And then as soon as they became a problem, like, okay, we got our power.
01:36:33.320
So these college kids that are putting up the people's library are first in line to get sent to the gulags.
01:36:43.920
I hope our names are touching on the watch list.
01:36:46.700
Well, that's why I'm a very, actually, I understand young people.
01:36:53.480
When I see the college students who are, like, kind of red guards, I actually feel somehow sorry for them.
01:37:00.060
Because they remind me, you know, my youth to be totally brainwashed during Mao's Cultural Revolution.
01:37:07.320
Mao has a famous saying, young people's mind is, you know, blank.
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So I've been going to college campuses and schools as a speaker for Communism Memorial Foundation for seven years.
01:37:34.660
Like, when I heard about Declaration of Independence, my light bulb camera never turned off.
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I'm hoping that the young people heard my stories.
01:37:41.640
And most recently, one kid told me, 16 now, he said, I heard your story, speak at my school when I was 13.
01:37:47.840
And I can tell you, my friends and me were never like that comedy stuff.
01:37:52.740
So planning says, that's why education is so important.
01:37:56.180
That's why we got to stop, you know, the indoctrination of the leftist Marxist ideologies and get the local control to teach students real history.
01:38:05.700
Because, you know, when they don't know the truth, when they deprive their truth of real history, of course, you cannot just blame our kids.
01:38:21.620
And I want to add to what you said of there is no good end for any support, group of supporters for the CCP.
01:38:32.140
Peasants was like 90, up to 95 percent of the Chinese population when the communist revolution started.
01:38:43.360
They promised them free land from the rich peasants and the landlords.
01:38:48.180
And then they supported the CCP and put them in power.
01:38:59.300
There's a lot of intellectuals supporting the CCP.
01:39:04.640
Many of them were really doing well in the West.
01:39:08.720
In the United States, there were scientists, there were intellectuals.
01:39:12.660
They volunteered to go back to China to support the CCP in the early 50s.
01:39:21.020
They are considered bourgeois because they have the wrong thoughts and they need to be re-educated.
01:39:29.080
Most of them end up being labeled as a rightist and end up in gulags.
01:39:37.300
Nothing, nothing ends well for any of the CCP supporters.
01:39:44.760
How about those people who are communists and they succeeded get into power?
01:39:53.040
During the Cultural Revolution, all the CCP, the whole Cultural Revolution is about taking down the CCP bureaucrats from power, from position of power.
01:40:02.580
And the number one victim of the Cultural Revolution was the president of China, Liu Shaoqi.
01:40:14.640
There's just no good result for anyone who either supported communism or become part of the communists.
01:40:31.540
And to add to that, even Xi Jinping's own father was actually persecuted during Mao's Cultural Revolution.
01:40:39.040
That's why people thought Xi Jinping would be more wise leader for China.
01:40:48.060
Another thing to add is that today's China, even though they do focus on international expansion,
01:40:55.660
but when you see what they're doing now inside China, they're promoting some grassroots level, kind of like a government supply station again, and some food rationing even.
01:41:08.720
So that's how bad the people's life is after, you know, the pandemic.
01:41:13.820
And because of national security law, they push on Hong Kong and they push on Chinese.
01:41:18.880
So even you are foreign company now when you go to China, if you don't comply to the CCP regulations and laws, you can be arrested and you can be shutting down.
01:41:29.260
You need only look at when they were, there's the videos where they have the giant steel beams and they're putting it in front of the doors against the wall so that people in their apartments can't get out during COVID to see that nothing's changed.
01:41:47.220
But there's the video where a man pushes his refrigerator onto the balcony and opens it to show that it's empty.
01:41:54.780
Well, that's why I shared a video that they come to your house, drag your loved ones away, screaming to go to quarantine camps.
01:42:02.280
And I shared that and I said, that's why we have a second amendment right here.
01:42:07.120
But the funny thing is in Australia, you had a viral video where when the van pulled up to a guy's house, they were like, looks here like you got a COVID test, mate.
01:42:17.740
And he's like, I don't remember taking it, but sure.
01:42:19.640
And he gets in the van and they drive off and they're like, we haven't seen him since.
01:42:24.380
It's the story where the guy says, I don't recall taking a test, but whatever you say, and then got in and was taken off to a camp.
01:42:33.200
That's why you saw that nightmare during the COVID time.
01:42:36.560
Well, actually, what was it like in China before?
01:42:40.580
Was there ever a period where people had weapons like this?
01:42:47.800
In my area and in our province, in Sichuan, that was the last so-called liberated area.
01:42:56.300
And because it was the place that always traditionally produced the most food.
01:43:15.820
But they were taxed to the point that they either die or either fight or starve.
01:43:23.580
And I was taught, you probably saw too, that was the bandits' rebellion.
01:43:36.360
They control what access, kind of access of information I had.
01:43:52.940
First time publicly talk about Sichuan Bandit Rebellion.
01:43:57.420
My own grandfather, I never saw, was a part of Sichuan outlaw group leader.
01:44:08.220
And so my grandma had to flee with my mom and the little baby and younger brother to Chengdu to remarry a red worker in order to protect herself.
01:44:17.860
But because he was killed as a so-called outlaw leader during the Mao's Cultural Revolution, that they want my grandma to confess he must be country revolutionary.
01:44:31.700
So my grandmother went through one year struggle session.
01:44:38.220
He was killed by his own man because he was the leader of the outlaw group in Sichuan.
01:44:49.460
And they said, we are the first one to rebel and last one to submit.
01:44:54.160
So my husband always said, oh, I got to be careful.
01:45:01.800
But I said, I only saw one grandmother from four grandparents because two, you know, you know, basically died unexpectedly from my father's side.
01:45:12.480
He grew up as often, but my dad is always, you know, macho guy and fighting, you know, the powers.
01:45:17.980
And my grandma's side and my own father and grandfather was outlaw leader.
01:45:22.720
And we could be categorized as a black class family.
01:45:27.040
If they discover anything to do with him, the entire family would be black.
01:45:31.920
Then my life might be totally different story because I grew up as a red child.
01:45:35.860
That's why I was able to go to college, join the Red Guard and join the Mouth Young Pioneer.
01:45:41.360
I was just thinking like, what if they found some dirt, not true, get my whole family, black class.
01:45:50.120
I might be still stuck in China, maybe even dead.
01:45:52.560
But it's so when you talk about the rebellion, you know, people had guns before that, you know, China.
01:46:03.940
So my grandfather, my grandmother, my grandfather died before the communists took over.
01:46:16.280
And so he was, she was absolutely the black class.
01:46:20.140
She moved to the city, Xi'an, before the land reform.
01:46:25.740
So everything was confiscated and she was labeled black class.
01:46:31.260
She did not have to endure the class struggle and all the struggle sessions.
01:46:38.800
During the land reform, two million landlords were killed.
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This is a story by itself that people need to know.
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And then the traditional China, you know, it's confusion, Confucianism.
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And also the villages, they're mostly families.
01:48:52.560
And the villages were mostly named after the shared family name.
01:48:57.660
And so the rich and the poor, they're just relations a lot of times.
01:49:01.780
But how do you get them to fight against the peasants?
01:49:08.140
That's why they send what's called work team from the city, from the party, to help them to realize.
01:49:14.480
No, there's no such thing as a natural relation.
01:49:20.940
The reason he is rich and you are poor is because he made you poor.
01:49:33.500
There's still a lot of peasants who just can't take that step.
01:49:36.920
So what they do, they get all the village thugs, those who never worked, did not want to work, back around.
01:49:51.520
So they have to do it village by village to mobilize the peasants, educate them, brainwash them so that they join the fight.
01:50:14.080
So some peasants at the beginning, right, and the communists probably want them to come out actively, you know, against their landlord, against their employers.
01:50:23.860
They say, well, my landlord is actually kind of nice to me.
01:50:49.740
And they install the hatred, the envy into your head and get them agitated and come out publicly.
01:51:00.180
You have to publicly against your landlord to do the land reform that time.
01:51:04.640
And so, so now when I look at that here, it's like people constantly demonize free market capitalism.
01:51:11.160
Our young people don't understand, you know, profit.
01:51:15.940
Everything blame on corporations and blame on job creators.
01:51:21.400
And I told this group called Young Communist Revolutionaries on X.
01:51:26.620
They're talking about 2024 is the best year to bring down evil capitalism.
01:51:32.120
So it's still traditional Marxism based on class struggles, but they use social issues now, like, you know, in egos, migration, and the trans, LGBTQ community, our kids, and you cannot ask.
01:51:48.720
But when you talk about equity, it is a communist tactic, concept, and, you know, ideology.
01:51:58.100
What's fascinating is, you know, everybody's been paying attention to news over the past few years knows that the woke left projects what they do they accuse you of doing.
01:52:06.420
It's actually one of Alinsky's rules for radicals.
01:52:09.520
I saw this thread where they were talking about socialism and communism, and someone asked what it was, and they were like, they said communism is when your labor is controlled by you instead of your boss.
01:52:19.940
And capitalism is when the ultra-wealthy control you.
01:52:22.400
And I'm like, no, no, no, capitalism is when your labor is controlled by you.
01:52:27.040
You can go walk into the woods for all anyone cares.
01:52:30.400
If it's someone's woods, they might get mad that you're there.
01:52:33.020
But in capitalism, you have the right to trade your labor for what its market value is.
01:52:37.680
In communism, the state tells you what your labor is for.
01:52:41.540
And it's literally from each according to their capabilities to each according to their need.
01:52:46.920
They're telling you outright, you will not control your labor.
01:53:11.340
They never blame the government who created problems, who created identity politics, then
01:53:17.980
offer government big solutions to solve your problem.
01:53:24.000
And in capitalism, equal protection under the law, that's one part of capitalism.
01:53:32.860
And you don't want this job, go get another job.
01:53:37.780
But once you rely on government, which is statism, the biggest religion in the whole
01:53:42.480
world, you know, 100 million people died under communism, it's because you put your
01:53:50.280
I do think one quick way to disabuse young people of this communist ideology is to subject
01:53:58.960
I'm pretty sure that Occupy Wall Street de-radicalized a lot of people.
01:54:04.520
I knew one guy who left crying, a guy, when he realized, like, I feel like he probably
01:54:11.120
realized everything he had dedicated his life to up to this point was a lie, when he saw
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And he was like, I don't understand why this isn't working.
01:54:20.840
But the story that I famously bring up is how they tried to, the way they would try and
01:54:25.880
do things is that everybody would get together in an assembly and then vote on how to do things.
01:54:32.740
I mean, voting, at least you get to vote, right?
01:54:35.100
But they wanted to get bins to protect the clothes and the materials from the rain while
01:54:41.860
And so someone says, I propose we buy plastic bins to put everything in.
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They put up their hands and they call it a block.
01:54:59.520
And they say, plastic is bad for the environment.
01:55:03.720
And they said, OK, what if we get recycled bins?
01:55:10.120
And they say, well, what's your what's your objection?
01:55:11.660
It's like these were produced through slave labor.
01:55:14.840
And they said, OK, we'll buy fair trade, recycled plastic bins.
01:55:22.520
So then the people, nobody knew they actually just did that.
01:55:26.160
When it came down to here's what the people have decided, the people who actually controlled
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the money just said, ignore whatever they say, go to Walmart and buy the bins or wherever
01:55:35.240
They went and bought store bought bins and then lied to everybody.
01:55:37.720
And then once they got tired of this system, this is the funniest thing ever.
01:55:43.740
They were like, this general assembly system isn't working.
01:55:46.320
We need to create something called the spokes council where each working group.
01:55:50.980
So based on the work you do, we'll get a representative to vote to the larger assembly.
01:55:59.660
And so they said, we're going to, in order to enact this, we all have to agree.
01:56:07.660
They say all in favor of enacting a spokes council form of government governance for the
01:56:16.020
And so then they said, OK, all in favor of overriding the blocks, which you're not allowed
01:56:28.520
One of the guys, the facilitators goes, oh, one, two, three, four.
01:56:38.780
From now on, we will only have spokes council meetings.
01:56:42.280
And then he started crying like everything I believed in is a lie.
01:56:54.760
But if they want communism, and then I have to say, it is simple for communism.
01:57:06.500
Capitalism, you'll go hungry if you don't work.
01:57:12.480
And so that is what communism or that, of course, that extreme democracy won't work either.
01:57:20.380
Well, the issue with this was that it was never really democracy in the first place.
01:57:24.620
The people who are in charge were telling the people that, don't worry, we're all working together.
01:57:30.440
But then behind the scenes would do anything they want.
01:57:32.560
There was one instance where a computer was donated.
01:57:35.640
Someone brought a MacBook and said, I hope this helps you guys.
01:57:38.660
And I said, wonderful, because I was talking to the organizer like, this is great.
01:57:42.600
What we should do is put the computer on a table.
01:57:47.160
And then they can use that computer to go on the internet, send emails, contact loved ones, whatever.
01:57:50.800
And then one of the facilitators went, you know, I really need a new computer.
01:57:56.200
So do you know what happened during the 2020 riots and the chat, the six weeks of chat?
01:58:05.500
Did they taste of a little bit of their commute?
01:58:12.460
When they threw cardboard on the ground, put dirt on it, and then tried planting things and none of it worked?
01:58:23.320
But of course, the educational system and then the media would not report it the way that.
01:58:38.100
And they start to also, once they formed their own little separate country and said, did they lock up?
01:58:50.140
No, they literally shot and killed several people.
01:58:52.520
That's a great example of a crisis of competence that you hear people talking about.
01:58:59.440
But the reason it looks like a joke is because they don't have any idea how to actually plant plants and grow anything.
01:59:10.960
And with the DEI stuff that you hear people talking about, the fear is that there's going to be focusing on identity and you're going to end up taking people that aren't going to be qualified.
01:59:22.540
And then you're going to have ramifications throughout the society.
01:59:28.380
And there are people that are going to argue, oh, no, that'll never happen.
01:59:32.220
But we have actual examples from history, which you had mentioned earlier, talking about the way that they were planting the plants in China.
01:59:41.480
And it caused a famine because the way they were planting the plants was counter to what plants need, right?
01:59:47.440
Because they didn't know how to plant plants properly.
01:59:53.520
It was called Lysenkoism because Toph and Lysenko was the guy that said, look, our plants are communist plants.
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Plant them close together and they can share resources.
02:00:06.520
If you plant them close together, they will share resources, which, of course, today we laugh about and think it's ridiculous.
02:00:14.860
They believed it and it caused millions of deaths.
02:00:17.980
So the idea that a crisis of competence, as much as that's a small thing and we laugh about it because it has no consequences, you know, it doesn't have the kind of consequences that Toph and Lysenko did.
02:00:29.680
But, like, that stuff does happen at scale when it comes to top-down centralized governments because governments can't predict what's going to happen.
02:00:41.380
Lysenko claimed the concept of a gene was a bourgeois invention.
02:00:45.680
And he denied the presence of any immortal substance of heredity.
02:00:48.580
Which speaks to the fact that they rejected, they reject the enlightenment, right?
02:00:58.160
Their perspective is there is no objective truth.
02:01:03.980
So if there's no objective truth, no objective reality, Darwin, you can take what he says and toss it out the window and just do what Lysenko says.
02:01:11.120
But then you actually do bump into reality and millions of people effing die.
02:01:16.300
I do just want to point out that there is a sort of dark humor in – from 1934 to 1940, under Lysenko's admonitions with Stalin's approval, many geneticists were executed.
02:01:30.720
You're totally – it's crazy because this is exactly what we were – this was demonstrated also in the bit that you showed earlier from what was the movie, the –
02:01:42.140
Yeah, Three-Body Problem, the woman was saying things that were true, scientifically sound, but because they were in conflict with what the party wanted, she had to be punished or they had to be punished.
02:01:56.740
But that kind of stuff happens in totalitarian governments because when reality conflicts with what the narrative is, they go with the narrative, which we're seeing again with the whole trans stuff.
02:02:10.480
Reality does not support the concept that a man can become a woman or a woman can become a man.
02:02:16.520
But you are forced to say that it is that way because the ideology makes that demand, not because there is any evidence in reality.
02:02:25.180
Yeah, in China, during the Cultural Revolution, that is absolute truth.
02:02:29.820
And it's called – we'd rather have the – we'd rather have the communist weeds than bourgeois crops.
02:02:45.040
I'd rather have communist weeds than bourgeois crops.
02:02:48.400
That's what – the weeds aren't going to save your people, dude.
02:02:52.460
I want to – can I go back to a little bit about the DEI?
02:02:57.540
And a lot of people think DEI is something new, right?
02:03:08.520
And that also have been tried and failed in China with a different name.
02:03:14.540
And that basically is your qualification for like a college admission, for promotion.
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And it has nothing to do with your academic ability.
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And it has everything to do with your political qualification.
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So it's not race-based because 95% of the Chinese are all the same.
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But it's based on your class and based on your family and your political standing.
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So that is – during the Cultural Revolution, that's called the worker, peasant, soldier, college students.
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That means your qualification for college is based on your political performance and recommendation by the leaders, by the party boss.
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When it reopened, that's what the new implementation is, the qualification based on politics.
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So the people that were admitted to the best university in China, Beijing and Tsinghua, when it reopened, more than half of them only had elementary school education.
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And so a lot of those people there, they can't do it.
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So the professors have to work so hard to basically bring them up to the secondary education in order to do anything.
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And so those were the – those become the synonym for disqualification.
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And Xi Jinping is one of those worker, peasant, soldier, college graduates.
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And so, you know, that tells you who is leading China today.
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Because by then, his father was already – got back in office.
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So Xi Jinping was black – Xi Jinping's family was black?
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So at first, it was determined by your class, whether you have property, you have land.
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But eventually, if you step out of the line, if you prove that you have the wrong thoughts, you become a black class.
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Once that happened, it affected all your children.
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And so Xi Jinping was persecuted, actually, by the Red Guards.
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He was beaten, and he has to put on the stage with doubts during the Cultural Revolution to endure a struggle session.
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And the question is, why would he do the same thing that Mao did?
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And why would he bring back the Cultural Revolution 2.0?
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Why is it that you see these senior boys beat the crap out of the freshmen?
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And they say, well, when they were freshmen, they had to go through it.
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So I want to add that my own father was illiterate because he was a red child, and he was promoted to go to workers' college.
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There are other people more qualified to go to workers' college, but you are adding burden to my own, you know, like actual workload.
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I don't want to go to workers' college anymore.
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So he went back to the factory to be his supervisor.
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DEI is very dangerous now in our country today because UCLA, medical school, is lowering standards now.
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For students to become doctors, it's going to cost lives.
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It's really important that you point out the doctor stuff.
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Not that I don't want to throw, you know, the whole medical field under the bus or anything,
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but already like the third highest cause of death in the United States is medical malpractice.
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I think if it's not third, it's in the top five.
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It's really high because doctors are humans and they're fallible.
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And, like, that's with, like, what ostensibly is fully always qualified doctors that are educated up to standard.
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In courtroom, imagine our judges, Biden and Obama, all tweeted.
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Oh, 200 judges, you know, now it's like, you know, we're more than half of them are minorities, women, this, all that.
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And, you know, this is very dangerous in our country.
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I can tell you a story of the DEI doctor that I experienced when I was little.
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I had a bike accident and I ended up in the hospital.
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So who operated on me was a worker, peasant, soldier, student, graduate.
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So, and then that was no big deal because my operation was minor.
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And then I had a maid come to the ward every day.
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And she's an older woman and very nice and just clean up, you know, everything.
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And she was the main doctor in that department for women.
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So she was ousted because she belonged to the category of reactionary, bourgeois, intellectuals.
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So the student that had, and the one that had less qualification is running the business.
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I did not suffer, but I'm sure people suffered by her lack of skill.
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But what I can tell you is that the CCP, the CCP leaders, if they want operation, they would call that old woman back.
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We're going to start to wind things down as we get close to wrapping up.
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But, Shi, do you want to mention anything, any final thoughts or anything to shout out?
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And so I'm so glad to be invited to this cultural war show.
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And I explain why this is a cultural revolution.
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Because it has been proven that America can never be taken down by violence, by insurrection, by a foreign army.
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But America can't be taken down by cultural Marxism because they are aiming at destroying our very foundation, the shared value, and the American fundings.
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And they have been doing it for over 100 years, and little by little, and so a lot of people have paid a note.
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And so this is what I want to do to wake people up.
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I try to, in this book, tell people the two cultural revolutions.
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And I live through one, and I'm living through one with millions, hundreds of millions of Americans right now.
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They are both cultural revolutions, Marxist cultural revolutions.
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To take down the country so that some people can have absolute power.
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Do you have any social media where people can find you?
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Please follow me on Twitter, or X, and it's X Van Fleet, V-A-N-F-L-E-E-T.
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I tweet every day, and I tweet history lessons.
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I tweet the parallels of these two cultural revolutions.
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Lily, is there any final thoughts, anything you want to shout out?
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Well, that I have been liberty activist at the grassroots level for 11 years.
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Because I woke up in this country 20 years later, after I came here to learn the truth,
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and get rid of my indoctrination, but the country is getting worse.
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So I feel, really, it's my duty, it's my mission to do what she wrote a book.
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And I'm being just a speaker, and an educator, and also activist, now running for U.S. House.
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Because I feel like it's my calling to do this.
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I did a video recently called My Two Cultural Revolutions, and I list all the similarities.
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This is the greatest country on earth, and we have founding fathers' documents brought me to this country.
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And I want to come here, live under freedom, and I embrace fully American ideals,
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which is liberty and individual rights, meritocracy, and rule of law.
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But we are, you know, slipping away from those traditional values, ideals.
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I'm frontrunner right now in New Hampshire's 2nd Congressional District,
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And with your support, please go to my website, lilitownwilliams.com, to donate.
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I need Lily's Army of Freedom to get me to finish line.
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And when the primary on September 10th, and when the general election on November 5th.
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Every day I'm active there, except the past few days I'm busy here.
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And that was my brand I established over 10 years ago.
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So follow me there and share our stories, our messages.
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If we don't save America, the world will be a very dark place.
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I love shows like this because I learned a lot, honestly.
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You know, we talk about communism and Maoism all the time, but I learned a lot, especially
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women's issues, but we're talking about the dangers of communism and something that's
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really, that we're seeing a lot of in this country.
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So make sure your friends and your family understand and they watch something, a show
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