The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #70 The Secret Life Of The Bidens w⧸Lunden Roberts & Alex Stein

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00:00:57.060 Last night was certainly very wild, and already we are seeing op-eds pop up all over the place,

00:01:04.460 calling for Joe Biden to drop out. Interestingly, there's this New York Times article

00:01:09.680 that appears to be a pre-write. It was scheduled in the New York Times on the 25th,

00:01:14.280 but published after the debate, referencing the debate as though they knew it was bad already.

00:01:19.080 But in the header, in the URL, you can see the date was actually the 25th before the debate even

00:01:23.520 happened. Seems like writers of the New York Times expected things to get bad. But we're not here to

00:01:28.840 talk about the aftermath of the debate. We're here to talk about the secret life of the Biden family,

00:01:33.060 because there is a new book coming out, Out of the Shadows, by London Roberts,

00:01:37.820 about Hunter Biden and how they handle issues of family. So, London, would you like to introduce

00:01:44.600 yourself? Yeah, well, that's my book, Out of the Shadows, and it's about meeting Hunter, our relationship,

00:01:52.140 and my pregnancy, having a child, becoming a mother, and the entire journey from beginning to end,

00:01:58.180 and the chaos, the wildness, and dark times, good times, sad times, all the above.

00:02:05.320 Of course, we're all really interested to hear about, you know, the family, like, like, your experiences,

00:02:10.560 how this stuff happened. But also the media reaction, I think, is going to be really interesting,

00:02:13.860 because I'm sure they're just lying about everything. But just to make it easy for people

00:02:18.240 to understand, your child is the grandchild of President Joe Biden. Yes. Amazing. Well,

00:02:23.820 thank you for hanging out with us. We have a lot to talk about. Alex Stein is joining us.

00:02:26.520 We're back. Round two. I'm excited to be here with my friend, my new good friend, London Roberts.

00:02:32.100 And thank you for having me, Tim. Yeah. And of course, Hannah Claire is also hanging out.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, I'm happy to be a part of this conversation. I'm really interested in your book. I followed some of

00:02:38.540 the coverage of your custody and all of the legal battle you had to go through, which is awful. And I think a lot

00:02:43.740 of people in America can relate to that because it's very challenging to co-parent with someone

00:02:46.900 who is hostile. So anyways, I'm Hannah Claire Brimble. I'm a writer for SCNR.com. I'm happy

00:02:51.100 to be here. Kellen's here. By the way. Yes. Kellen is here pressing buttons. Man, I guess I had to be

00:02:59.100 crass, but we'll jump right into the biggest news. And that is that Joe Biden and the Biden family

00:03:05.860 did not acknowledge your child. Is that still the case?

00:03:11.260 They came out with a statement last year. Joe and Jill did to acknowledge Navy and say that

00:03:16.280 I forget the exact statement, but they were, they gave, they love all of their grandchildren,

00:03:20.720 including Navy, even though they had never talked about her ever. And this was when you were fighting

00:03:25.220 to get her to be able to use the Biden last night. Well, this was right after the child support

00:03:29.700 dispute. You know, Hunter had, we went through this paternity suit and everything. And then there's

00:03:33.140 like this long period, probably what, two years where there's nothing. I don't hear anything.

00:03:37.500 And then it's just media, you know, and the constant, was it six grandchildren that he has

00:03:42.100 when he has seven or is it eight? I think he has eight with Navy. Um, no, it's, it's seven with Navy

00:03:48.780 six that they have from the. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, going through that. And then there's this child

00:03:54.500 support dispute where, you know, Hunter files to lower his child support. And we go through this and

00:04:01.180 literally have not spoke since I was pregnant. And then I go into his depositions and he was

00:04:11.420 shocked to see me there to say the least, but he answered a couple of questions and then decided

00:04:16.140 that like, maybe it's best if him and I sat down and talk. And so we go to this room, you know,

00:04:22.360 my attorney like grabs me for, he's like, don't agree to anything until like you, you talk to him,

00:04:26.280 come back out here and talk to us. It's like, okay. So, um, I go back there and I talked to him

00:04:31.200 for the first time in what, five years, I guess, since I'd been pregnant and we settle the child

00:04:37.660 support dispute and that's, uh, you know, had the whole Biden name thing and all that through

00:04:41.780 into it, thrown into it. And so he decided, you know, that having that last name was probably not

00:04:50.060 the safest bet with her living in Arkansas and wanted to talk to me about maybe not, you know,

00:04:54.580 using that name and let her choose it when she gets old enough, let her choose what last name

00:04:58.120 she wants to have. So she has your last name, right? Yes. And, but you had said at one point

00:05:02.600 where I had read that one of the reasons you had wanted her to have the Biden last name is because

00:05:05.860 it had open, you know, it comes with a certain amount of power in America and it could potentially

00:05:09.680 benefit her later in life, especially if she's not going to have a father or at least her father

00:05:13.980 in her life. That was from the court documents. And a lot of times like throughout the book,

00:05:17.380 you'll find out like, uh, my anxiety is so high, especially like dealing with media and stuff.

00:05:22.640 And you've lived this private life forever. And now all you're wanting is someone to take

00:05:26.240 accountability for their child, but it's such a public person that you can't do that without

00:05:31.160 the media. And so, um, it talks about like how crazy it is, like this big transformation in your

00:05:38.240 life. And that part is like really tough. Like, I know people don't think that's something and

00:05:43.980 people think, Oh, like she's out for clout. She's out for fame. No, that's not the case. Like

00:05:49.900 being in the media and stuff is, is overwhelming. It's like not something that I want to look at or

00:05:56.420 see all the time. So, uh, what were we talking about before that? I was saying you had said,

00:06:01.300 uh, you were talking about the child custody, some of the agreements and you had said Hunter

00:06:05.380 Biden had said, he said it was better for her not to have the last name while living in. Right. And

00:06:09.580 the, and the court documents that, uh, you had mentioned, or you had had stated, those were all

00:06:14.860 like my attorney's wordings. So he did all the like litigation and I put everything in his hands.

00:06:21.660 Um, I just wanted him to take accountability in the beginning. So that's why I filed for the

00:06:25.940 paternity suit. And then like, I was able to breathe after the DNA test and I just handed

00:06:31.120 everything to my attorney and let him handle it. So in the beginning, Hunter actually said,

00:06:35.560 that's not my kid. I want nothing to do with this. Yeah. He had a general denial. Wow. Yeah. He

00:06:39.500 actually met, um, there's some stories in the book where he actually met with, uh, my friends,

00:06:44.940 a couple of them and that were mutual friends to him. And he made the comment, this is after Navy

00:06:51.900 was born. This is like a month or two after Navy was born. And he's like, you know, how do I even

00:06:55.720 know it's mine? And they're like, hunt, you know, this baby's yours. Yeah. When did they do the paternal

00:06:59.960 blood test after Navy was born? Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. It was a swab test, but God, um, you

00:07:09.080 know, the paternity suit wasn't filed for months and people don't understand. Like they're like,

00:07:13.600 yeah, well, why was it filed so late? Like she didn't know who the father was and stuff.

00:07:17.080 No, when I, and I talk about this, like I go through all of these stories, but you know,

00:07:23.880 Hunter was in a bad place as we all know. And, um, I left him to come home to Arkansas and I felt

00:07:31.300 like I was another scandal for him. I felt like I had let him down. I'd built his trust. This was my

00:07:35.500 friend. This was, you know, someone I was in love with someone I cared about. Like this, I felt like

00:07:40.800 I'd let him down. So the last I talked to him, I'm coming to Arkansas and I'm just going to be

00:07:46.100 private, not tell anyone who the father is and move on with my life. Well, you come home to this

00:07:49.880 small town, Arkansas, there's all these rumors, you know, she doesn't know who the father

00:07:53.860 is or making up at one point it was an NBA players. And then it goes on to somebody had

00:07:59.540 said, which NBA player, uh, you got to pull everyone in your town and find out. Um, somebody

00:08:06.260 had even said like towards the end, no, I heard it was Donald Trump Jr.'s kid. And I was like,

00:08:10.680 oh my God, they're getting closer. Oh shit. So, um, yeah. So like you think I'm gonna do this,

00:08:19.780 I'm gonna keep it private, but there's so much going on that you're dealing with and you're

00:08:22.580 constantly having to defend and protect him is what it felt like. Then you have a child

00:08:27.080 and you realize someday she's going to get older and you develop this mother's love for

00:08:30.960 a child and you realize someday she's going to get older and she's going to want to know

00:08:34.840 who her dad is. And am I supposed to tell her? I don't know. I think we're not going to talk

00:08:39.080 about it. You did the right thing. Uh, cause the other scenario is going to be, she's going

00:08:44.120 to be 18 and she's going to be appearing in the media saying, I am the child of Hunter Biden.

00:08:48.220 They're going to say, you're crazy. It's some crazy woman who's appeared. And the other issue

00:08:52.120 too, obviously is child support. Hunter should be paying child support. I mean, I'll, I, once

00:08:56.960 I'm further, Hunter should be involved in the life of his children and it, and it's take

00:09:01.140 responsibility for that. Yeah. I mean, I'll try to keep it from being too crass, but to deny

00:09:04.920 responsibility is not a nice, it's not a good and honorable thing to do. Before I came back to

00:09:09.460 Arkansas and when I was pregnant, like, and had been around him, like he was upset. Like the,

00:09:13.780 one of the last conversations I had with him, he, um, he makes a comment about finances

00:09:19.280 and says something about like his daughter needs a laptop and, um, he couldn't even afford

00:09:23.700 to get her that. And I knew he was throwing like this, these financial things in my face

00:09:27.020 cause I'm pregnant and he thinks I'm fixing to come after him.

00:09:30.220 Can I ask you real quick, just sorry. Uh, what, around what year was this?

00:09:33.440 This was 2018, the beginning of 2018. Cause I had her in August of 2018 and this is, I'm

00:09:38.660 already pregnant and then, um, you know, I'm telling him and then we meet, you know, a few

00:09:43.820 more times. I've seen him a few more times after that. But the last time that I seen him

00:09:48.000 in person, um, you know, he's, he's talking about how he doesn't have finances to support

00:09:53.800 his kids. And I know that he's throwing that stuff. He's never talked to me like that, but

00:09:57.860 he's only doing that because I'm pregnant now with his child. And I instantly was mad.

00:10:03.440 Like, I was like, you know what, this isn't about that. And like, if that's what you're

00:10:06.820 insinuating, then I was, I was really mad. And I talk in the book, like he was always

00:10:11.980 hunt, like always called him hunt all the time. That's what everybody close to him called

00:10:16.080 him. Um, I'm pretty sure that's what his family called him. It was how he called him

00:10:19.460 that. Um, that's when I started calling him Hunter again. Like we had just met, like I

00:10:25.320 was like, uh, I was so mad. And throughout the book, you'll see, like, that's when I stopped

00:10:29.040 calling him hunt after that he's Hunter. And, um, it, it pissed, it pissed me off so bad.

00:10:35.780 I came home to Arkansas acknowledging your child or because he was like making comment

00:10:39.800 on your character by saying it was about money. Yeah. It was almost like, you know,

00:10:43.300 making digs at my character and questioning like our, our relationship and you know, my

00:10:49.060 motive. And it pissed me off because like, he knew me better than that. Did other people

00:10:53.160 do that to you though? Cause I could imagine just like comments and stuff. And no, people

00:10:57.820 that know me, people in my small town, no, they, they knew that it. I think the, the general

00:11:04.400 perception of Hunter Biden's finances is typically they're good. You know what I

00:11:09.260 mean? Like there's, there's, I won't get overtly political, but I mean, aside from

00:11:13.700 being in this very well connected family, I mean, his, his uncle has got lucrative

00:11:19.700 contracts overseas and, or, or had in the past, not to mention his position on a

00:11:23.980 board in which he was paid, I believe it was $83,000 a month. And what, but what

00:11:27.640 year, the reason why I asked the year, cause what year was, was he on the board of

00:11:30.320 Burisma? Do you, I don't know if you know, that's very esoteric. Wasn't that

00:11:33.920 2015 when his dad was still president or vice president? Yeah. I just don't know

00:11:37.560 when he left the board. I'm not sure, but you mentioned uncle. Did he ever

00:11:41.680 mention his uncle? James? Yeah. Did he say that he did a lot of business deals

00:11:44.940 with him? He didn't say that. Oh, I mean, they were, so you know that the rumor, I

00:11:50.580 mean, I don't know if there are rumors, I think it's kind of been exposed to that

00:11:52.760 there are a lot of business deals and that the big guy, the 10% of the big guy, that

00:11:56.620 Joe is direct, directly benefiting from these business deals that his brother

00:12:00.380 James and his son Hunter were setting up. They're from May of 2014 to April 2019.

00:12:06.140 Oh, so he was at Burisma at the time. Yeah. Holy crap. He was getting, I was

00:12:09.540 going to say, I have a brief, I have a Burisma briefcase. No, you do not. I do. And

00:12:15.220 I of course got it from Hunter, but like you open it up and it says Hunter Biden

00:12:19.880 board meeting and it has the date. And I want to say the date was like 2016 or 2017

00:12:24.440 or something from the briefcase. And now that briefcase is full of like baby

00:12:28.860 sonograms because where else are you going to keep them? Yeah. Right. It's

00:12:32.960 hers one day. She can have, it's even got like a Biden for president sticker at the

00:12:36.540 bottom of it or it's from like, okay. One of the first times he ran a quick fact

00:12:41.320 check to be fair, Hunter Biden's salary was cut after Joe Biden left office from,

00:12:46.700 it appears 81,000 to 41,500 per month. That that's economic hardship. I'd imagine.

00:12:52.400 Yeah. Making half a million dollars to do nothing. It also strikes me that he's throwing

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00:14:24.040 Who need things like, sir, you're responsible for the children that you father. I don't know what

00:14:30.680 to say. Like if one of them needs a laptop, that's fine. Someone else needs clothes. Like

00:14:34.040 you have to you have to be responsible enough to take care of your own children.

00:14:37.000 Forget about that. Did you ever say, Hunter, maybe let's slow down on the crack and buy your

00:14:40.280 daughter a laptop. I mean, seriously, because that's not cheap. Yeah. Cocaine's not cheap at all.

00:14:45.480 Oh, yeah. No, I mean, and that's another thing. Like I talk, I talk about like,

00:14:49.960 like feeling like I enabled him because like, and did you enable him? That's a good question.

00:14:55.160 Did you think that you enabled his kind of debauchery? Yeah. Like I just kind of accepted

00:14:59.480 it as like this hunter package. It's what came with him rather than ever standing my ground or

00:15:04.280 being stern with him ever. I'd never did that. But you know that you probably couldn't have if

00:15:08.120 his dad is the vice president can't get him to stop, then how is a nice? Oh, if in a baby,

00:15:14.600 how's a baby getting to stop? And he's made that several times. Like when you would talk to him

00:15:19.080 about his addiction at any time, you know, he owned it and would say that it's his addiction.

00:15:23.160 No one brought it upon him, but himself, and no one's going to get him to stop, but himself.

00:15:27.400 And he wasn't ready. He even at one point told me that, you know, he was gonna go somewhere and

00:15:33.960 get injected with this frog venom that just like completely takes away withdrawals. And like the

00:15:38.680 next day he won't have any addictions or anything. And I thought that was crazy. He told me, he's told

00:15:43.160 my friends that too. And apparently there was, there was a woman that gave a testimony and he had told

00:15:48.600 her the same thing. And no, they go to Costa Rica and you'd lick a frog. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:15:54.360 Luke. This is a real thing. Yeah, there is. Luke Rutkowski is a real thing. I don't know if it works.

00:15:58.360 Luke Rutkowski said he went to South America and they injected frog venom into his scars.

00:16:04.200 I don't know. Did it heal the scar? I mean, I have no idea. I just heard of people going to Costa Rica to

00:16:08.520 lick toads and it supposedly like recalibrates their mind and gets. Yeah, something like that.

00:16:12.520 Or, you know, it's like hypnosis so much or something, you know, I don't know.

00:16:16.760 I guess we've never really looked into this. Me and my friends just kind of always like

00:16:20.200 laugh about it and joke about it. I didn't know that was like a real thing.

00:16:23.080 Well, let me ask you, what do you think? I don't know how real it is.

00:16:26.120 I don't know if it's a common practice. Somebody might try it.

00:16:29.080 What, what, what would you consider to be a reasonable child support?

00:16:34.200 Um, well, you got to think about like how much everything costs these days.

00:16:39.240 Oh, yeah. Um, I think, you know, what he's paying is a reasonable amount.

00:16:44.600 Is that publicly known? I don't want to, if it's not publicly known, I'm just, I think so.

00:16:48.200 I'm asking because in 2018, he made $498,000 from one company. And I, and I can't imagine that

00:16:55.000 was the only deal that he was working, but I do kind of feel like if you make half a million

00:16:59.720 dollars a year, it is not difficult to pay a few thousand dollars a month in child support.

00:17:03.960 I think that it should come off of like the parents income, like the mother and the father's

00:17:07.800 income like together rather than just like saying, this is a reasonable amount. I think it depends on,

00:17:12.280 you know. No, I agree with that for sure. Uh, and that, that, that's why I'm like,

00:17:16.680 he made half a million dollars to say like, he can't afford it or anything is not the case.

00:17:20.760 It's what can he afford? But can you get a job, London? I mean, I mean, is, does this hurt you to

00:17:26.440 get a job? Like, is it? No, I've, I've had a job. Okay. Does, I didn't know. Maybe it hurts.

00:17:30.040 My dad, no. Some people might not want to associate. You know what I mean? I don't know. I don't know.

00:17:33.960 Maybe the Hunter Biden son, you're in Arkansas. Are y'all hiring? Yeah. I mean, I just, I don't

00:17:38.120 know. It has, it might be hard to make money, you know, in your situation being connected with all

00:17:41.320 this stuff. Cause anywhere you get hired, there's a little drama. Well, actually I've, I've, I don't

00:17:46.200 know because I've never had to do that. Cause my father owns this like really big business. He's

00:17:50.600 really big in the hunting industry. And so, uh, it's kind of a family business. So we've all just kind

00:17:56.280 of, yeah. Like even if I'm home for the summer, I was always working there doing, you know,

00:18:00.040 Yeah. But like, if you try to get a job at like bank of America, they might have issues.

00:18:03.000 I can't, I can't be a bank teller. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know either.

00:18:06.280 Now I'm going to have to apply just to see. I don't know. That'd be really funny. What

00:18:10.200 were you? So you, we talked a little bit about the short, the show, you were a good basketball

00:18:14.800 player. You had had a possibility to go to SMU and Dallas for basketball. What were your

00:18:19.020 ambitions way before all of this started? Well, you know, always, you always want to be

00:18:23.640 a professional basketball player until you're in college and you're practicing eight

00:18:27.580 hours a day. And then you're like, you're ready for it to end. You get burned out. But,

00:18:32.320 um, you know, I had a bachelor's degree in interdisciplinary studies where I had just

00:18:36.500 like a bunch of minors and they were mostly like criminology, sociology, psychology, all

00:18:40.180 those. And, um, have this weird obsession with like crime cases. And, um, I wanted to

00:18:48.940 like work on crime scenes. Like I wanted to be, um, a federal agent someday and work that

00:18:53.860 whole thing. Is that why you ended up in DC? It is. I got accepted into CSI school and

00:19:00.540 that's what brought me to, um, DC. And, uh, have y'all ever watched crime stuff? I know

00:19:10.160 that's like a fast line now, but like my sister always says like the men that I choose, like

00:19:13.980 I would have probably married Ted Bundy and she's so right. I say a lot about Hunter

00:19:19.460 Biden. Well, Ted Bundy is kind of a handsome guy, thin, Hunter's thin. And there were tons

00:19:25.780 of, there were tons of women that were all over him. Yeah. He had a huge female following.

00:19:30.380 He was just also crazy. Uh, so when you got involved with Hunter, like, were you still

00:19:37.260 working towards that goal? Like, did you ultimately want to be in crime scene? Because you didn't

00:19:40.900 want to be in politics. You wanted to be in like the federal government angle of crime.

00:19:44.140 Sort of. But then like you, you kind of get involved with him and, um, uh, you start,

00:19:51.520 I started working for him as his executive assistant and then you kind of start, do y'all

00:19:54.380 watch, uh, do y'all watch suits like Harvey and what's her name? Is it Donna? The like

00:20:00.260 assistant? Yeah. I just know that. Yeah. Like you kind of like want that. Are you a Meghan

00:20:05.440 Markle stan? Wasn't she in suits? Yes, she was. Do you like, do you like Meghan Markle? I

00:20:10.900 don't dislike her. Well, I mean, I don't like her at all. Because you kind of have Meghan

00:20:16.160 Markle vibes. Like she's kind of being pushed out by the Royal family and you're kind of

00:20:19.440 being pushed out by the Biden family. You guys have kind of similar story arcs. Oh

00:20:23.200 yeah. You make a reality show based on that. That's what I'm saying. You and Meghan Markle

00:20:26.620 are both attached to these super powerful families that don't really like you. You guys

00:20:30.380 do have. I thought, I thought Meghan Markle like wanted to get out. Like she was running

00:20:35.760 from them. Yeah, but they didn't, they didn't, they don't like the Royal family doesn't

00:20:38.840 like Meghan Markle. Is it because they're racist? Yeah, a hundred percent. No, because

00:20:43.040 she's the worst. Well, I mean, I'm of the opinion, I'm a conspiracy theorist. I think

00:20:47.380 they killed Princess Diana. I mean, if we're going to get weird. And you know why they don't

00:20:51.400 like Princess Diana? She was dating Dodie Fayette at the time. And the conspiracy is that maybe

00:20:55.040 she was pregnant with Dodie Fayette's baby and that supposedly the Royal bloodline didn't

00:20:59.240 want to get mixed with like, this is Islamic bloodline. That's the conspiracy. I don't know

00:21:02.840 if that's true YouTube. I'm just saying. So it's kind of like you, like maybe they didn't

00:21:06.420 want the Biden family to be mixed bloodline with some random person from Arkansas. I'm

00:21:10.080 not saying that I don't need to ever get pregnant again. No, I just, it is just kind of funny

00:21:14.520 that the parable, I guess that you guys are these nice, attractive young women that are

00:21:19.640 attached to these huge families that kind of don't want you to be a part of it. Did you

00:21:23.780 ever meet any of Hunter's other kids or anyone else? No, no, I didn't. There's a chapter

00:21:28.860 in the book where I talk about seeing Joe and we're at Bo's house in Wilmington and

00:21:35.880 there's a knock at the door, you know, and I tell, I tell her we're back in the bedroom

00:21:40.220 and I tell him and he goes out and it's Joe and I didn't know I stayed in the back and

00:21:45.640 I hear the door shut. So he walks out and he's talking to him. So I go out, I sneak and I'm

00:21:50.140 like looking through the window. And I think the chapter is called A Face in the Window.

00:21:54.500 Joe. And it's like, Joe is facing Hunter and I'm looking through and like, you can see

00:21:59.460 Hunter, he's like using his hands and he's like talking, I'm sure making excuses for

00:22:03.480 something, I think. Is Hunter scared? Is he scared when he has to talk to his dad?

00:22:07.220 No. He's not nervous at all. No, he didn't seem that way. But probably, yeah, probably

00:22:12.720 a little paranoid, especially like if you're trying to like deflect and get him away from

00:22:17.260 the house because there's paraphernalia inside and I don't want you to come in here type.

00:22:20.940 Yeah. But no, I wouldn't say scared.

00:22:24.500 But he, his dad, like this look on his face, like it was just like this frown and he just

00:22:31.240 looked so solemn and it was like, it was like hurt, you know, but like this is one of the

00:22:37.420 most powerful men and this is a battle that he can't pull a son out of. Like he's sitting

00:22:41.820 there watching his son, you know, suffer from addiction and have all these things that come

00:22:45.740 with that. And, and, you know, there's nothing he can do. Hunter made it clear that, you know,

00:22:49.760 he wasn't going to get help until he wanted to.

00:22:51.420 Well, how old was Hunter when he lost his mom?

00:22:54.120 Two, two, I think.

00:22:55.080 So he, so when did he start using drugs? Like high school, I'm guessing?

00:22:59.320 Um, I'm not sure.

00:23:00.600 I just wonder how long he's been an addict. I guess it would be my question.

00:23:03.680 I mean, long enough to affect his teeth. I mean.

00:23:07.000 Yeah. Well, he got all.

00:23:08.180 Well, that was when he got the veneer. They had to do that.

00:23:11.100 His teeth were bad before those veneers though.

00:23:13.660 But that one picture that everyone posed.

00:23:15.640 Yeah, where there's grinded down teeth.

00:23:17.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:18.020 Right, all right.

00:23:18.620 But even pictures of him as like with, you know, before he got those or in his dad, when

00:23:22.200 he's sitting at events, you know, his teeth needed some work. He's been smoking some crack

00:23:25.900 in cigs.

00:23:26.820 And I wanted to correct you. There's a correction. Cause you mentioned, Alex, that cocaine is

00:23:30.720 expensive, but crack isn't.

00:23:33.440 Well, I mean, if you, I don't know.

00:23:34.880 I thought crack was more expensive.

00:23:36.460 I thought it was like the purest form or something.

00:23:38.800 No, that's how they make it with baking soda, but crack. So crack is like, basically you're

00:23:43.600 diluting it so you can get a cheap heart, like a cheap substance that you can just.

00:23:47.600 Well, London, you probably know this better because usually what Hunter was probably doing

00:23:50.920 is he was probably actually smoking cocaine, not crack. Like there's two different forms.

00:23:55.500 Cocaine, you mix it with baking soda so they can cut it. And that's what they sell on the

00:23:58.460 street. But you can just smoke pure cocaine too. Just like it's crack.

00:24:02.520 Yes, you can.

00:24:03.180 I know. I know. I know you're correct. I'm just saying like, but people don't like Hunter's

00:24:06.480 not going to do that.

00:24:07.360 I bet he would.

00:24:08.440 I mean, did you ever see, I mean, yeah.

00:24:10.280 You're saying he's going to get like some pure expensive good stuff and then just.

00:24:13.140 And put it in a pipe. Yeah. That's what they do.

00:24:15.020 Yes, they do that.

00:24:16.040 I figured he'd be rubbing it on his teeth.

00:24:17.380 Did you ever see him put it on top of marijuana? Like did they ever load a marijuana bowl and

00:24:20.880 put it on top? They call that a primo bowl. Did they ever do that?

00:24:23.660 No.

00:24:24.320 They never saw him do that?

00:24:25.400 Sometimes they roll it up in a joint. Like, did you only see him snort it and smoke it

00:24:28.880 or did you.

00:24:29.400 Yeah. No, he, uh, he would have these, um, and I talk about it, I talk about it in the book,

00:24:35.020 like how you wouldn't think that I could, I could get you like the Rolls Royce crack

00:24:40.180 pipe, but I can, and I know how to fix all of it, you know, because of him. But there's

00:24:45.380 like stems as he would call them. They're like these little glass tubes and the copper and

00:24:49.420 stuff. That's what he used. And the little soft tip, you know, so it doesn't. Yeah.

00:24:52.580 Although I talk about, I also do have a scar on, or may or may not have a scar on one of

00:24:59.880 my breasts from a crack pipe that he dropped on me.

00:25:03.140 No, a hot crack pipe. He burned you with a hot crack pipe.

00:25:07.720 Oh, and you stayed with him?

00:25:09.340 He didn't mean to.

00:25:10.600 Did you look?

00:25:11.540 Oh, okay. Sure.

00:25:12.700 No, no, no, no.

00:25:13.800 He definitely dropped it and was like fumbling it. Like he didn't mean to.

00:25:17.220 He was on crack. I mean, we have to be forgiving, I guess.

00:25:20.760 Did you guys ever say I love you to each other?

00:25:22.980 All the time.

00:25:23.620 Oh, yeah. Wow.

00:25:24.860 That's sad.

00:25:26.080 Yeah.

00:25:26.580 It's sad that, I know, the drug use is bad, but you're with someone you care about. You

00:25:31.460 have a kid, and then all of a sudden his family is like, you know, hoity-toity, you have nothing

00:25:35.960 to do with this woman, and then he's, they're acting like you don't exist.

00:25:41.040 It's not sad so much on my part. I don't care if they act like I exist, but the fact that

00:25:46.360 they do have a child and a grandchild that is their blood that, you know, does exist.

00:25:52.820 That's what's sad, because one day my daughter's going to see this, and it's sad.

00:25:56.020 Well, and like she, like I have younger siblings. My mom died when I was a kid, and my dad has

00:25:59.900 been married. I have younger siblings, and they're a huge part of my life. Like I have

00:26:02.620 a very positive relationship with them, and I think in some ways it's interesting that

00:26:05.680 your daughter will grow up with the messaging from the Bidens. Like we are such involved

00:26:08.580 grandparents. Joe Biden says he calls all his granddaughters every single day, and it

00:26:12.640 must be nerve-wracking as a parent to be like, but he doesn't call you. Like how

00:26:16.420 are you going to handle that? I think you're allowed to be hurt a little bit.

00:26:19.360 Oh, I'm hurt. Yeah, yeah. And you know, I'm, I'm angry. That's what, that's the whole

00:26:22.900 point of the book. Like I want my daughter to know that, I want her to know my story.

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00:27:54.120 Story. You know, if I'm, maybe something happens to me and she gets old enough and I'm not here

00:27:59.280 to tell her my story, she'll have this. She'll have it for her to have. She'll have my story.

00:28:04.380 And I wanted to know that her mother stood 10 toes down, fought for her, gave them every

00:28:08.060 opportunity and tried to do always what was right. And then also want to know what was going on,

00:28:13.240 you know, behind the scenes and everything. That's the whole point of the book. That's why

00:28:16.360 it's solely dedicated to her. There's some stories in there. Like, you know, when she first asked who

00:28:21.340 her dad is.

00:28:22.500 How old was she when she asked that?

00:28:24.020 This was a couple of years ago. And, um, she starts realizing like she's getting old enough to

00:28:29.080 see like, you know, her, um, I'll never forget it was her best friend Lawson. Like she sees, uh,

00:28:35.040 two of my best friends, Siva and Dustin, she sees them together and she sees that they are Lawson's

00:28:40.320 mom and Lawson's dad. And she's like, why do I only have a mom? Why do I have a dad? And I was like,

00:28:48.540 yeah, yeah, actually. And you know, I detail it all in one of the chapters. Like I'm, I'm putting

00:28:54.140 her in bed when she's asking this and you're kind of taken back because you're not ever ready for it.

00:28:59.840 Like, you know, that conversation is going to come, but Navy is also like so intelligent and

00:29:05.220 so like ahead of her time. And, um, I just wasn't expecting it, but it came out of nowhere. And I

00:29:11.560 was just like, I want my daughter to be resilient. I want her to, you know, know where she comes from

00:29:17.800 always and know that, you know, she's able to create herself and whatever happens on either side,

00:29:23.400 maternal or paternal, that she should be proud of who she is.

00:29:26.140 And so what did you tell her? Are you like, yeah, your dad is this guy and your grandpa's

00:29:30.020 the president.

00:29:30.800 I said, yeah, like you do have a dad. And she's like, um, what's his name? And I was,

00:29:36.640 I tell her, I was like, Hunter. And she's like, why don't I see him? I was like, well,

00:29:39.660 he lives really far away. And you know, you start making excuses because you don't want to break

00:29:43.120 your kid's heart. And so I'm like, well, he lives really far away and he's really busy. And she's

00:29:47.480 like, oh, okay. And I was like, you know, and then I start to tell her about her grandfather

00:29:51.560 and, um, how he's like this really important person. I was like, you know how we have the

00:29:56.360 books about, I know I'm just laughing really important. He's the leader of the free world.

00:30:00.580 I tell her that. So I'm like, you know how, like in the books that we read, you have like

00:30:03.860 the Kings and Queens and all that. And she's like, yeah, I was like, okay. I said, well,

00:30:06.880 in America, we have a president and she's like, okay. And so I tell her, you know, kind of,

00:30:11.900 I'm trying to explain this to a kid. Right. And she's like, oh, and I'm like, okay. Like what?

00:30:19.640 And she goes, so that's what it is. Like he's out there helping all these other people. But then

00:30:25.440 when he's done with that, he'll come see me. And I was like, that makes me sad.

00:30:30.200 You know what makes me, you know what makes me. I'm telling you, there's some sad parts of this

00:30:33.440 book, like having to tell her those things. Like it is so sad because like one time she comes up to

00:30:38.160 me and I do tell this story where she's like just randomly playing. And then she like wants to come

00:30:43.540 up. She's like, Hey, Hey mama, can, can I hear my daddy's voice? And I'm like, and I want,

00:30:49.640 I want to so bad impersonate him. I'm just like, no, I'm not going to cause me and my friends

00:30:53.140 impersonate him. Is Hunter Biden the smartest guy, you know? Yeah. What was I talking about? See

00:31:03.180 about impersonating your voice? Oh yeah. So she's like, um, can I hear my daddy's voice? And so,

00:31:09.460 you know, there's a lot of things that you want to do because you're so mad at him at the time.

00:31:13.360 And I talk about like my thoughts and how I felt, but instead what I did was what was best for my

00:31:18.460 daughter. And I pull up a video of him giving the eulogy at Bo's funeral. So she can see her dad.

00:31:24.720 She can hear his voice and also see that love. And as you're sitting there, she's watching this video

00:31:29.920 and he's like, I love you. I love you. I love you. Talking about what he had heard from Bo when he

00:31:35.320 wakes up from, you know, this car accident and Navy's like looking at the phone. She's like, I love you.

00:31:40.900 I love you. And then like kisses the phone screen, like kisses him and stuff. And I'm sitting there

00:31:44.600 like this huge lump in my throat, like trying to snatch my phone back so I can go in the other

00:31:49.420 room and cry. Like it's so sad. How it is. Like, I think especially for girls, which is generally

00:31:54.540 for children, like to crave both parents love and to like be in this person where she's like,

00:31:58.380 oh, well, he's really busy helping other people, but eventually he'll pay attention to me. Right.

00:32:01.580 It's so innocent. That feels so sad. It is. It really is. Like it's, it's heartbreaking.

00:32:07.840 Like there's some heartbreaking stories in, in this book. It's, it's sad the way that she's

00:32:13.460 been treated because you have a child, especially a little girl that's just deserving of the world

00:32:18.320 and she's being treated horribly by not only her own family, like this public political family,

00:32:25.440 that's just not accepting her. It makes no sense because would it not be a feather in their cap

00:32:30.640 to embrace a child? Are you concerned that at some point Navy will watch shows like this and

00:32:36.620 the other shows you appeared on? No, I want her to, because I want her to know that, you know,

00:32:41.780 I always stood in, in my truth and the way that I felt. And someday she'll know that I want her.

00:32:47.560 I've always said that, you know, Navy won't, if one day Navy hates her father, it won't be because

00:32:55.560 of me. It'll be because, you know, of the relationship that he does or does not develop with

00:33:00.780 her. But when she reads my book, she'll see that I gave him every opportunity to try and build

00:33:06.140 that relationship for her sake. I didn't do it for him. Like I did that for her. I want her to

00:33:11.520 be loved. I want her to feel that. I don't want her to have some huge hole in her life. You know,

00:33:16.960 Hunter talked to us about his, his mother, you know, not having his mother was kind of like

00:33:21.680 being born without a limb. You know, it was, he didn't really know the relationship or know that

00:33:28.020 he was missing a mom, but it was just like never there. Like that was something was missing.

00:33:32.720 I think, I think it's important too, with the way the media frames everything without

00:33:37.120 your input. One of the most important things you probably could do is give your story so

00:33:42.840 that when Navy is older, it's not just going to be how the media framed everything. And

00:33:47.160 it's, I, I, I'd imagine it's all lies or 80, 90% of it is lies.

00:33:51.520 I'll be honest. A lot of the media, like I can't read, like I get anxiety about like people

00:33:56.360 send me articles and stuff. That's how like I found out about the stalkings and, and things

00:34:00.540 like that. A lot of times, like people will send things to me. Like there's one night I

00:34:08.780 talk about, I get a, I get a book in the mail sent to me and it's it's called Joey and it's

00:34:15.600 written by Jill Biden. I get it in the mail. Like people send that type of stuff all the

00:34:19.280 time. And Navy loves reading books before bed. So I'm going to read this book to her.

00:34:24.540 Right. And this was right after the paternity suit. And, um, so I put it aside and before

00:34:32.600 bed, like she comes, she's gotten out of the bath and like she had, when she was little,

00:34:36.720 she had like this, uh, her hair would like curl. Now she's lost all her curls. I don't

00:34:40.600 know how it happened, but, um, uh, she gets on my lap and we're in like her egg chair and

00:34:45.460 I opened this book to read her and I'm telling her, I was like, Hey, I was like, this book is

00:34:49.100 like, it's called Joey. It's, it's actually about your grandfather. She's like, Oh, okay.

00:34:53.000 Like she's excited for it. First page is the dedication page dedicated to my grandchildren.

00:34:58.740 And then she goes on to list them by the name, excluding one. Now I have to read this

00:35:06.560 book with this lump in my throat and this hate in my heart and how pissed I am. I have

00:35:11.840 to get through this book for my daughter's sake and, you know, act excited to read it while

00:35:16.200 the whole time, like you just want to cry. Like it's, it's heartbreaking. And I get through

00:35:21.420 the book. Like I paused because it was like, something just hits me. Like I'm just sitting

00:35:25.260 there looking at it. Like again, you know, why do you, do you ever think about like, do you ever

00:35:30.720 want to not bring this up to her? Like, I know, obviously when she asked about her dad directly,

00:35:34.840 you want to be honest and give her factual information, but also like, did you ever think

00:35:39.600 like, Oh, I'm not going to read this book because I don't want her to have to think about

00:35:43.400 this. Or do you think it's better to expose her? Like, how do you approach?

00:35:45.900 And so that's what I talk about. Like, you know, I want to teach her resilience and I also

00:35:49.600 like want her to know where she comes from. Had I known that was the dedication page,

00:35:53.020 I wouldn't have read that book to her. And I haven't read that book to her since.

00:35:56.980 It is in a drawer. Like there are drawers at my house that are for her. And they're things

00:36:03.920 like people have sent like inaugural.

00:36:07.320 She may want. Yeah. And so I've just tucked it away. You know, there's like pins. Like there

00:36:14.700 was, I had some like vice presidential pins and stuff like that, that like Hunter had given

00:36:19.420 me and, um, all that stuff's like tucked away for her. And so like that book, for example,

00:36:25.020 is in that drawer, you know, so someday she's going to see that stuff anyways. Yeah. She's

00:36:29.500 going to know, but. Well, I just want to say, do you think Hunter would be more involved

00:36:33.500 if Navy was a boy? No, I think that it doesn't matter. Yeah. Well, you know, the best way

00:36:40.020 to get media support is if you transition Navy to a boy. Have you thought about that? Giving

00:36:44.080 her hormones and transitioning her to a, cause then you'd be, maybe the Bidens would be into

00:36:47.780 it then. Yeah. Then they would love it. They'd be like, we have a trans, uh, kid. They love

00:36:52.500 transgenders. Yeah. Well, you know, I just, I don't think I want to, you're not going to

00:36:56.420 give her on hormones and give her a mastectomy. They love that. Oh, the earlier, the better

00:37:02.220 according to the Biden administration. I, so that's a no. She, she's listened one thing

00:37:10.040 at a time. She's still, uh, learning everything else that's going on around her. You know,

00:37:14.380 you're not ready to transition or two. Okay. So at one point I had heard, and I would love

00:37:19.560 to have you clarify this. You mentioned that you worked as Hunter's executive assistant.

00:37:22.860 I had heard at one point, the timeline was like, you had told him you were pregnant and

00:37:27.260 he had been like, I don't want to deal with this, but also I'll just put you on my payroll.

00:37:31.880 Is that how that played out? Or the payroll came when I was pregnant, but you know, I was

00:37:35.640 doing, I was working as his assistant beforehand and getting paid by like check and stuff, like

00:37:40.340 doing, you know, odds, ends, whatever's needed. Yeah. So, um, the payroll didn't come for ever.

00:37:46.220 It was like everybody that worked for him. Like he had set it up later, but, um, no, we

00:37:51.320 was getting paid by like checks and stuff before then. And so what, what made you, cause like

00:37:55.640 not everyone wants to work with someone they're romantically involved with, right? Like when

00:37:59.360 you took this position as the executive assistant, were you hoping that this would like, were you

00:38:03.760 guys a couple at that point? Like how did this play into like y'all's dynamic? Yeah. Off and

00:38:07.460 on a lot because you know, as an addict, like he's there and then he's not. So he's there

00:38:11.800 for like a week and then there's two weeks where you're gone. And there's also a story

00:38:16.300 where I talk about like, he comes in, he's knocking, he knocks on the door. I hadn't seen

00:38:20.120 him in like three, four weeks. Like it was the longest I hadn't seen him. And, um, I talk

00:38:25.040 about how you can't get in touch with Hunter. Hunter gets in touch with you. So, um, so there

00:38:33.120 was, uh, a one night, like he, he knocks on my door and first of all, I'm living in

00:38:38.580 this like basement apartment and Chevy chase in DC and always like basement apartments

00:38:43.960 because if there was like a family there, like I always just felt safer, like more at

00:38:48.040 home. So he apparently like had went up and knocked on their front door and I was like,

00:38:52.800 Oh, what a conversation piece. Like if he knocked on their front door, they're probably

00:38:56.240 like Hunter Biden just knocked on our front door and now he's in our basement. Like that's

00:38:59.600 crazy. But he comes down and he's, he knocks on my door and I like open it and I'm like,

00:39:04.160 what the hell, where have you been? And he like, um, just hugs me, you know, deflects

00:39:08.960 goes off on his own thing. He's like, Oh, look, I got these socks. Cause I used to love

00:39:12.200 this quote. Um, not all those who wonder are lost. And it said that it had like mountains

00:39:17.180 and stuff on it. And I was like, well, could have fooled me. Like, I haven't seen you in

00:39:20.140 like four weeks. Thought you were lost. Like, where the hell have you been? And he just

00:39:23.900 would go missing and then like pop up. So it was definitely like on and off showing up at your

00:39:28.720 house and be like, here's these socks. Like, cool. But why are you here? Oh no. Like

00:39:34.140 I loved. Was he high at the time? He was, uh, he was, he was drunk. The chapter is actually

00:39:39.300 called hmm, not hmm. Because like he would say these things and it's like, for whatever

00:39:45.580 reason, like I understood it. And so like, I was, you know, like talking to somebody and

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00:41:20.220 Are you messed up? Like, are you, are you drunk? Are you? And he's like, I was like,

00:41:25.200 have you been doing anything? He's like, I've been doing, Hmm, not. Hmm. And I was like,

00:41:29.460 what? Does that mean like drugs and not sex? No, it means alcohol, not crack. Okay. Yeah. Well,

00:41:37.300 okay. Okay. Not crack cocaine, like not the two together, you know? And you've said this,

00:41:42.380 you've been open that you're not a saint. So, and you said that you kind of enabled them,

00:41:45.540 like, were you partying with him as hard as he was partying? I mean, not as hard as he was partying,

00:41:49.780 but you know, yeah. Like I talk about a lot of times, like I would go out and party with my friends

00:41:54.400 and stuff and then like go link up with him and, and, and, you know, even. That's probably why you

00:41:58.000 guys liked each other, right? Yeah. It was always a fun time and an adventure until it wasn't.

00:42:03.780 Did you go like, did you go on adventures to like find crack? No. Yeah. They had the,

00:42:07.740 they had the dope dealer come to their house, right? I mean, I'm assuming like you guys are hanging

00:42:11.820 out, you're doing stuff and Hunter's trying to find crack, you know? Actually, um, I, I talk about

00:42:16.600 meeting, um, his dealer and, and was his dealer cool? Really? She was really protective.

00:42:24.400 Wow. Progressive. You told her, you said that on my show, you said that the dealer was like

00:42:27.780 more protective of him than you were. Yeah. I've read a little bit of it. Yeah. She was,

00:42:32.760 uh, she was really protective. And like, he told me like before I met her, like, she's,

00:42:37.800 she's not going to like you like, cause you're a woman. I'm like, what? And so, oh, see,

00:42:43.380 I immediately would assume that he's also like sleeping with this dealer. No, there's like

00:42:47.720 tension and jealousy. I talk like, uh, when, yeah, but no, I could tell after I met her

00:42:54.360 that. Do you think it's possible the dealer could have been like a government agent? Because

00:42:57.420 I, if I was a drug dealer, the last person I'd want to sell drugs to would be the son

00:43:02.140 of the president or vice president of the United States. You know what I'm saying? Every dealer

00:43:06.120 is like, I don't want to sell to a cop. Why would I sell to the president's son or vice

00:43:09.740 president's son at the time? Seems like a, not a very smart drug dealer. In my opinion.

00:43:13.780 She probably wasn't. Was she cracked out too? Kind of was she? Yeah. That explains it. Yeah.

00:43:20.000 Yes, she was. I just would think that that would be very risky selling drugs to a person

00:43:24.480 that has secret service detail. I don't think she, I don't think she probably thought about it.

00:43:28.240 Well, and this is the point I want to make earlier, which is one of the worst things of this whole,

00:43:32.260 uh, fiasco, I guess you'd say is the fact that that Navy does not have secret service protection

00:43:37.120 because she is the direct granddaughter of the president. And now with all this Israel,

00:43:41.080 Palestine stuff, they're looking for a way to retaliate against Joe Biden. I mean,

00:43:44.760 you could have an Iranian terrorist. You could have a Palestinian terrorist.

00:43:47.760 Secret service protects the grandchildren even? I think so. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I thought

00:43:52.520 it's the whole lineage. I thought, I don't know if it's a great, everybody in bloodline with the

00:43:56.340 president, but not, not Navy. No. Wow. They refused to give Navy. London's tried to get it done.

00:44:04.020 Yeah. My attorney, cause, and I didn't even know that was a thing until, um, after the paternity

00:44:09.260 was established, like my attorney was like, she needs to be protected. Like now it's out there

00:44:14.640 that she is the president's grandchild. Like this needs to be protected. And I'm like,

00:44:18.280 what? Like what? Then, you know, you get paranoid, you get scared. But, um, yeah. So I didn't,

00:44:24.620 I didn't really realize until writing the book that, um, a lot of things that we go through

00:44:29.000 aren't real normal. For example, like at nighttime, you know, a mother's routines probably like get

00:44:37.000 everything ready for bed, go to bed, me and Navy sleep barricaded in the same room. And, um, my

00:44:43.160 nightly routine is to, you know, turn off all the lights, lock all the doors. And then I have guard

00:44:48.480 dog sticks that I put up under each door. And I go around and do that. I check all the security stuff.

00:44:53.640 I go, we get in the room and I barricaded up in there. There's like, um, a rifle stored away there.

00:44:58.980 I've got a Glock, like in each, um, nightstand. I've got, you know, another shotgun behind the headboard.

00:45:04.720 I've got one hidden in every compartment, like in, you know, cause you don't want your

00:45:09.280 kid to get in an arsenal. Yeah. But yeah, like we're fully in like more, have more arms in that

00:45:15.760 room than any other room, but there's, there's things hidden. And like, if I go to an Airbnb,

00:45:21.720 like, um, my friends make fun of me because I put like booby traps all over the place. Like when I go

00:45:27.860 to bed. So if somebody is to break in or get in, like I hear them before they know that I've heard them.

00:45:33.920 So I'm able to act. Yeah. But that's stressful. You do that routine every night, every single

00:45:38.660 night. I wonder if you have anxiety. Yeah. Well, think about it. Like you have very, very now when

00:45:44.940 she's with like my mom and dad, like it's fine because dad's like Rambo, like he comes strapped

00:45:50.780 and he's, he's all good. But like, um, no, it's tough because you don't know what to expect.

00:45:58.520 You don't know like how far someone will go or, you know, and there are so many people that,

00:46:03.480 you know, January 6th or anything like anything can happen and you don't know like how far

00:46:12.700 someone will take it. And so, um, it's scary and it's, do you think if something happened in Navy,

00:46:19.680 do you think the Biden family would acknowledge it then?

00:46:21.600 Um, I'm just wondering what they would do. Do you think they would try to sweep it? I

00:46:26.200 don't know. Let's pray to God that never happens, but I wondered. Yeah. I was gonna say if something

00:46:29.480 happened to her, I think, um, or do you think they would, I almost wonder if they would try

00:46:35.940 to twist it to be like, see crazy Arkansas where all the maggot extremists live. Like they,

00:46:42.500 I feel like they would only acknowledge it for political gain. I'm being deeply cynical here,

00:46:45.740 but like, that seems like the circumstances under which they would be like, how can we benefit off

00:46:49.880 of this? I feel like, you know, Alex brought up the, the, the Palestine Israel stuff. I, I would,

00:46:55.000 I would imagine the bigger threat is the left or foreign, uh, influence, you know, uh, individuals

00:47:01.180 who are trying to get after Joe in some way. I kind of feel like a lot of the Trump supporters

00:47:06.900 would probably be very protective. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, you know, I don't think I just think

00:47:10.980 they would blame Trump supporters. Yeah. It would be like wearing a MAGA hat, but that's why I'm saying

00:47:15.420 like I Trump supporters would be very protective, defensive, you know, and the left, uh, but the

00:47:23.040 extreme elements, this is a vector for them. Like, yeah, like wearing a MAGA hat or something.

00:47:26.840 Let's see like that. That's another thing that brings like the paranoia. And the reason that I

00:47:30.160 do that on that, cause you don't know, you, you don't, and when a situational debt, you don't know

00:47:33.380 what side it could come from. You don't know how you could be hit, but you just know you could.

00:47:36.600 And so, um, you'll do everything to protect her and you look like an easy target, but I mean,

00:47:42.000 yeah, you're locked and loaded. Did you guys like ever go shoot guns? Oh, we shoot guns all the time.

00:47:49.520 Yeah. So my dad, my dad actually owns a custom gun shop and, um, we shoot like we were shooting

00:47:55.220 skeet before I flew up here, like the day before I flew up here and Navy's the puller. Like she's

00:48:00.860 the one that pulls the button. And we talk about how like, um, like Navy's a master manipulator at her

00:48:08.980 age. It's bad. And to the point, like, like she does, she gets that from her father.

00:48:15.760 Well, I've, uh, the teacher, like her teacher at one point had told me like, you know, she's advanced,

00:48:21.520 she's doing this, she's great, but we have one problem. And I was like, what's that? And she's

00:48:26.480 like, Navy thinks that she's the teacher and she's the boss. And she tells me all the time that she's

00:48:33.400 the boss, not me. And I was like, Oh my God. Like I'm mortified. Like my kid is so disrespectful. I'm

00:48:38.780 like Navy. And then Navy's like, so-and-so your dad's here. And she's like, see, she did that

00:48:43.480 because she knows that's my job. And I'm like, what? So yeah. And like, she would like go around,

00:48:50.300 do things that she knows the teacher is supposed to do before the teacher can do them to say that,

00:48:54.600 you know, she's the one in charge. She's the one in charge. Is she like that at home too?

00:48:57.920 She tries to be, but like when we, when we shoot skeet, like what I was saying earlier,

00:49:02.260 like, you know, when you shoot, I don't know if y'all, have y'all shot skeet? Oh yeah. Okay.

00:49:06.180 So you say pull and they push the button. Navy's over there with the button saying pull. And you're

00:49:11.760 like, you're not the one that says pull. We'll tell you when we're ready. Yeah. No. She's like,

00:49:16.240 no, but I'm running the show. Yes. That's interesting. I've only ever, I've only ever been once,

00:49:20.000 but I really do love when they roll on the ground. Those are my favorite. When they skeet fall on the ground

00:49:24.060 and you shoot. Oh, that's a trap. Yeah. They, they're, they'll launch two and then one rolls

00:49:29.080 on the ground. Sporting clay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How did your parents react to all of this? I mean,

00:49:34.720 cause I can imagine it's already, if you're not married, pregnant, whatever, it's maybe hard to

00:49:38.780 tell your family, but then on top of that being like, and it's Hunter Biden's child and he doesn't

00:49:42.140 want to acknowledge it. Well, I mean, they knew whose child it was when I told him I was pregnant

00:49:45.640 because they knew you guys were involved. Yes. And they knew that I was crazy about him. They could tell.

00:49:49.860 And, um, I actually like did not want to tell them and it wasn't because it was Hunter's. It was

00:49:58.860 because I was pregnant out of wedlock and this is like the Bible belt of the South. And, uh, my dad

00:50:06.100 handled it a lot better than my mom did. My mom did not handle it very well. And, um, you know,

00:50:10.980 Joan is Navy's middle name. She's actually named after my mom. And, um, yeah, I talk about that a lot

00:50:18.120 throughout the book. Cause that was, you know, when I was pregnant, I got into like this really

00:50:22.320 dark time because I'm pregnant. I'm back in Arkansas. I'm alone. You know, I know that the

00:50:28.780 father of my child is addicted and he's suffering and, you know, he, he's at a point, like I saw him

00:50:34.700 suffer so much that he might not, you know, make it. And then, you know, he might just be the first

00:50:41.780 son and you're carrying, you know, that, that child and, you know, your parents aren't real happy.

00:50:46.880 You don't have just a, I mean, your support system, my support system was always there

00:50:50.280 and was always my family, but it's tense. It's tense. Like there was, there was so much

00:50:54.640 that went on that it just like, it broke me and put me in like this horrible place.

00:51:00.360 Well, to Hunter's defense. So he never asked you to get an abortion. That was never thought. So,

00:51:04.000 I mean, that's pretty good. Yeah. He told me that, um, you know, the choice was ultimately

00:51:08.720 mine and he would respect whatever decision I made as a woman. I'm just surprised he wasn't

00:51:14.020 like, you know, terminate that pregnancy. So like pressuring you in some way that does.

00:51:17.920 I mean, I respect Hunter for that, but you guys, you guys were really close. You were

00:51:21.700 good friends. You hung out together enough to where, uh, you know, like you're in his

00:51:25.820 house when the president shows up, this relationship broke down once you got pregnant or how did

00:51:30.100 that? Yes. So it was like, once I got pregnant and I told him that I was pregnant, the relationship

00:51:34.000 kind of shifted and like, I became like this burden to him. And so him just complete out of sight,

00:51:40.820 out of mind, like just putting me to the side. And so over the next month or two, like, you know,

00:51:46.760 we have contact a few times and then that's it. I don't hear from him anymore. And, um,

00:51:55.260 it was actually said like his, his Porsche at the time was at, um, his parents' house in

00:52:00.460 Cambridge for a while. So like, I thought maybe I didn't hear from him cause he was in rehab,

00:52:03.700 but I left and went home to Arkansas because what am, what am I supposed to do? I don't,

00:52:08.300 I don't really know. Yeah. Like I don't know what to do. And, um, it, I didn't hear from him

00:52:17.360 again. Did you, do you think that he thought you would just go away after that? That was,

00:52:23.820 that was it. Like I, I contacted him a couple of times when I was pregnant, nothing. I contacted

00:52:28.940 him after I had Navy, nothing. And like his eye message, it says it went through. It obviously

00:52:34.300 went through. I think they, they, there was some article about it that was sent to me

00:52:38.880 about a text message saying that I told him when the child was born or, you know, I don't know,

00:52:48.080 man, just Joe and Jill. Like I I'd imagine Hunter's doing drugs. He's all over the place. I can

00:52:55.580 understand he's not with it, but man, I mean, his, his parents should have been like, get your affairs

00:53:02.280 together. Take care of this child. Like they should absolutely 100% the entire get go been

00:53:08.820 like Hunter, you are doing this. We're taking care of this. This, this is family. I just can't believe

00:53:13.480 that they went the other way with it. It's just, but Hunter's a narcissist, right? I mean,

00:53:17.200 Hunter has to be a huge narcissist.

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00:54:49.520 I mean, we're not psychologists, you know, I don't know. We can't diagnose him, but wouldn't

00:54:54.920 you think so? I mean, he has narcissistic personality. Yeah, because you think that you

00:54:58.460 would quit doing drugs if your dad's that high up just to show respect to your family. Right. So

00:55:02.360 obviously, well, but addiction's addiction. I know. And he lost his mom. I'm not even trying to blame

00:55:06.740 him. Him being an addict actually makes him more personable and more likable than probably most

00:55:10.740 people because people have family members that struggle with addiction. So that kind of

00:55:13.780 personalizes him, right? I sort of say no disrespect to Don Jr., but he's so boring

00:55:18.960 relative to Hunter. He's a very normal guy. Not on drugs. And Eric Trump's standup guy,

00:55:25.120 not on drugs. That's because they respect their dad and they're not narcissists because they don't

00:55:29.980 want to disrespect their dad at all. I know Eric and Don Jr. would never do that. And probably

00:55:34.460 Baron is the same, but Hunter's different. Hunter doesn't care about disrespecting his dad.

00:55:38.180 I wouldn't say Hunter doesn't care because he also really felt like the black sheep of

00:55:44.700 his family. And he felt like he was always a disappointment in this scandal-plagued son.

00:55:48.920 He was just so down on himself a lot.

00:55:54.240 I mean, it's interesting because-

00:55:55.340 Depression.

00:55:55.620 Yeah. I don't think it was so much disrespect, let's go do whatever we want type thing.

00:56:00.400 He loves his dad. He respects his dad.

00:56:02.320 Yeah, but he suffered with that. He hated the fact that he felt like a disappointment to his

00:56:06.740 family. But it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, right? People who have struggled

00:56:09.420 with low self-esteem also then say, but I can't accomplish anything, so I might as well start

00:56:14.360 smoking. I mean, I don't think he actively- Oh, I might as well start smoking. But you think you

00:56:18.660 can accomplish it. You think you're a scandal, and so therefore you let your behavior decline.

00:56:22.600 This is the downward spiral. People who get overweight, it's depressing. In more than just

00:56:29.460 the emotional way, it literally depresses your physical activity, which exacerbates the weight

00:56:33.680 gain. Hunter Biden is doing drugs. It makes him feel like a disappointment, so he says

00:56:37.780 that he gets all depressed, so then he wants to do more drugs to get out of the depression.

00:56:41.500 He's like eating ice cream when you feel bad. Crack instead.

00:56:44.900 How he coped with everything, like losing Bo and stuff, it just made him spiral out of control.

00:56:49.100 And people are like, how could that make some 40-something-year-old man toughen up?

00:56:53.920 Yeah, but I think people cope different.

00:56:56.380 How old was he when he lost his brother? I mean, this was what?

00:56:58.940 This was, he was 45? Yeah.

00:57:04.300 Or when he lost his brother? I can respect and understand and empathize with spiraling into

00:57:09.580 drug addiction when you lose your brother like that. Tim, to be fair, though-

00:57:12.620 I wish he didn't. I respect that. I understand how he could, you know, want to self-medicate,

00:57:16.660 but then he goes and sleeps with his sister-in-law? I think that's-

00:57:20.280 Oh, no, I get it. I get it. I think that pushed him into a darker place, because I think he

00:57:23.840 had guilt for that. Of course, I think he would.

00:57:26.420 Is he a sex addict? Is that Hunter's problem?

00:57:29.240 No, you know, I didn't think so.

00:57:30.800 He's not?

00:57:31.780 No? I didn't think so, but-

00:57:33.380 I mean, maybe it's like Tiger Woods. He's the greatest golfer ever, but like, that was

00:57:36.400 his vice. He like, wanted to have sex with all these women.

00:57:38.500 And then you see that South Park episode where they're like, what is causing these rich

00:57:41.560 and successful men to want to have so much sex with beautiful women?

00:57:46.620 It's tough.

00:57:48.460 We'll never know. We'll never understand.

00:57:50.580 We'll never know why.

00:57:51.540 Okay. So you don't think he was like a sex addict or he was like extra perverted or

00:57:56.140 anything?

00:57:57.180 No, I think that was all like the addiction. Like people are talking, there was one interview

00:58:02.100 someone brought like, there was a bunch of like porn and prostitutes or something on the

00:58:06.060 laptop.

00:58:07.720 And-

00:58:08.280 Well, it did look like he looked at a lot of porn. There was some of the-

00:58:10.940 I think that's part of his addiction. Like don't like, isn't like doing drugs, like doesn't

00:58:16.280 it make you like that kind of?

00:58:17.700 Sometimes I think-

00:58:18.460 Well, and I think some people have addictive personalities, like they will do all kinds

00:58:21.980 of things.

00:58:22.320 Oh, well, that's true too.

00:58:22.960 You know, it's the same thing. Like, I mean, people talk about this with like overeating,

00:58:26.000 right? You kind of get addicted to eating food. I mean, what I find interesting about

00:58:29.720 Hunter is like, we're talking about like the loss of his brother. I think all of us would

00:58:33.600 like losing a close family member, very tragic, can have deep psychological effects. But

00:58:37.620 it sounds like Hunter Biden has struggled with addiction for a lot longer than Bo's death,

00:58:42.300 right? Like this was probably something that was going on when Joe Biden was vice president,

00:58:46.040 when he was a senator. I mean, this is probably something that has been going on for a long,

00:58:49.440 long time, which makes me wonder about like his other children, his first marriage, like

00:58:54.360 what, how long has this been something that he has been dealing with? And we can be empathetic

00:58:59.780 to addicts, but also like inflicting on those around him.

00:59:03.740 Yeah, I think that, you know, he had, I think it had been going on for a while. I don't think

00:59:08.840 it was ever like this drug. I think this drug like pushed him kind of over the edge,

00:59:13.280 but, um, or not, is that the same drug? Crack cocaine and cocaine? I'm going to defer to

00:59:18.900 Alex. I don't know if we had this conversation earlier, but they take cocaine, they mix it

00:59:23.040 with something and bake it, I think. So it's more smokable, I believe. It makes it like a

00:59:26.700 solid rock. I swear. Yeah. Yeah. But do you ever feel that as like, have you ever gotten

00:59:31.720 an email from Joe Biden or Joe Biden's rep saying that he wants to come and smell or sniff

00:59:35.920 Navy? No. You know, that's the meme that he does like to sniff small children. No, I

00:59:40.820 know. I, I, I see that it's a meme. I've seen it before, but I don't, I don't know if he

00:59:47.340 does that. Oh my gosh. Come on, London. I know he is the grandfather to Navy, but he

00:59:52.000 is sniffing. I won't believe it until I see a video of him sniffing. Well, Hunter sniffs

00:59:54.960 coke. So maybe they all sniff. They're just like to sniff. That's not that crazy. Maybe,

01:00:01.080 maybe Hunter was resisting the urge to sniff kids and he was sniffing cocaine. So he's

01:00:06.200 actually using drugs for good. Like he's, he's there with Joe and he's like, I won't

01:00:09.940 be like you, dad. I got to put something in my nose. And what would you do if Hunter

01:00:14.240 Biden like, he's like, Hey, I actually really want a relationship with Navy. Could you send

01:00:18.020 her to DC? I want to give her a tour of the White House. Like, would you let her go?

01:00:20.880 Um, I, well, that, I mean, that would depend. Like there's have to, right? Well, yes

01:00:27.300 and no, I don't have to. Oh, I guess you don't have to, but I'm saying you do for

01:00:30.600 Navy, right? You want to, you want her to have a relationship. Yeah. Like you want your

01:00:35.500 child to have this relationship that she's so wholeheartedly yearns for. And you

01:00:41.380 also want to know that he'll be a good influence and a good father, because if

01:00:45.160 he's going to step in just to go missing or just to be a bad influence or

01:00:49.680 something, that's not something you want to just invite. Right. Like I want you

01:00:53.820 to come in and be a constant for her, like be, be a stable father for her and

01:00:59.240 have, develop a good relationship and be a good influence on her. Would you trust

01:01:04.500 leaving Navy alone with Joe Biden?

01:01:11.680 Would you drop her off in Delaware? No, like, like it's Joe Biden alone in the

01:01:16.620 living room and you would leave Navy there and then everyone leaves. Would

01:01:19.200 you trust that scenario?

01:01:22.320 Probably. I don't know. I don't know him. And so I'm like really protective of

01:01:25.680 her. And, um, I mean, co-parenting stuff, I think it would take a while to get

01:01:30.600 there. You know, like, I'm not just going to like, if I leave here and Hunter

01:01:33.900 calls and says, Hey, drop Navy off at the white house. My dad wants to see her. And

01:01:36.960 I'm like, Oh, okay. Let me go drop her off at the gates with some man. She don't know.

01:01:41.760 Like, no, I mean, it's too full. Obviously where a lot of people are going with it is

01:01:45.720 that there's the videos of Joe sniffing kids and grabbing them and things like

01:01:49.020 this. But I think more so he's, he's a very, very, very old man. He's not, he's

01:01:52.660 not all there. I mean, he's senile basically. Yeah. It's like you, you wouldn't want to

01:01:56.360 leave a kid alone with someone in that state. Yeah. Who's not able to care for

01:02:00.240 them. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's really hard. I mean, I think what you're saying is, is

01:02:03.760 probably what a lot of, uh, parents in America are experiencing. Cause there are, I mean,

01:02:07.920 we have increasing rates of parents who have kids before they're married and also that when

01:02:12.060 they're not together, right. They don't have, you know, they're not married or they're not

01:02:14.880 in a long-term relationship. And so that idea that it's like, I don't know the people that

01:02:19.420 my kid is with is, is a serious fear. Uh, and I can imagine there's even more pressure

01:02:24.840 on you because not that the Bidens are offering you a relationship, but it's like, Oh, but you

01:02:29.280 should let them because they're this powerful political family. I mean, how much of that factors

01:02:33.220 in, into your decision-making that, that ultimately this, this powerful influential family could

01:02:38.300 theoretically come down and be like, well, we want Navy now. Well, um, I don't, it's, it's

01:02:45.900 hard because like he said, like, you know, he is the president, you know, and you want to

01:02:51.200 be able just like, yeah, like my daughter spending time with her grandfather, who's the president

01:02:54.600 of the United States, but that's someone I don't know. And I'm very protective when it

01:02:57.980 comes to Navy. Like I want to make sure she's in the right hands at all times. Yeah. And

01:03:01.680 so, um, it would be tough, but if it's, it would definitely take a lot of time, you know,

01:03:09.520 to develop some form of relationship and be able to trust that. But, um, I don't know.

01:03:14.980 That'd be tough. She didn't get to meet her grandmother. So, I mean, she only has that

01:03:18.500 grandfather. Like you'd probably want her to meet as many of her family members as possible.

01:03:22.340 I mean, right. Yeah. So I don't know. It's a weird situation too. It's just that him being

01:03:28.200 the president, you being this, uh, you know, flash in the pan, not a long relationship. So

01:03:34.500 they probably don't treat you with enough respect. But I think since you are the mother

01:03:38.020 of Hunter's baby, they should show you respect. So it's probably a very hard battle to get that

01:03:42.440 respect from them when you know that they probably don't want to give it to you.

01:03:45.580 No, they don't. And that's, that's fine. Like they don't, they don't have to all,

01:03:49.480 you know, all I want is for them to respect my child.

01:03:53.040 And what would that ideally look like? Like you want her to have a relationship with Hunter?

01:03:56.300 It looks like more stockings at Christmas time. It looks like another name in a book.

01:04:00.760 You know, it looks like some form of acknowledgement because everything that they do is public.

01:04:05.560 Have they sent one Christmas present?

01:04:07.420 No.

01:04:08.100 Not one birthday present? Not one, not even a card?

01:04:11.380 Nope.

01:04:12.040 Hunter's married with, does he have kids now?

01:04:14.220 He has one, he has the older children from his first marriage and he has a younger son who's

01:04:17.680 younger than Navy.

01:04:18.440 Well, so Navy's got siblings.

01:04:19.720 Right.

01:04:20.440 Has, has, and there's been no contact?

01:04:22.180 No.

01:04:22.500 That's so brutal.

01:04:23.140 Oh, man.

01:04:24.420 And Navy's like first zoom call with Hunter, like she even asks and she names like all

01:04:29.740 of her siblings by name, like how's Naomi, how's Finney, like what are they doing?

01:04:33.800 Like she's wanting to know.

01:04:34.660 And he was just like taken back that like she, she knows this stuff and it's like, she's,

01:04:39.720 she's aware and she's so smart.

01:04:42.060 Like she's so smart.

01:04:42.940 So do you talk about Hunter's other kids and like her cousins and stuff in like by name

01:04:47.700 in the house or like, how does she learn their names?

01:04:49.280 I don't, so I don't really talk, I don't talk about them, but you know, I talk about

01:04:52.560 when I stop watching the news and Navy sees, you know, she's just learned, you know, kind

01:05:01.460 of learning who her dad is and stuff.

01:05:03.060 And then there was a news thing that like came up and they showed the picture of like

01:05:10.920 them at this inauguration.

01:05:12.600 And there's the entire family and like Hunter was like holding his, his, his new child.

01:05:19.500 And, um, Navy's like, who, who are those people?

01:05:24.220 Like, who is he holding?

01:05:25.000 I'm like, so then you kind of have to go into that explanation.

01:05:28.200 And she's like, well, do, do they live with him?

01:05:31.980 Do they live?

01:05:32.500 And I'm like, well, you know, like you don't, you don't know how to handle it, but you also

01:05:37.260 don't want to lie.

01:05:38.580 So, you know, when she asked who those people were and you tell her who those people are,

01:05:44.200 then she becomes curious of, you know, that.

01:05:47.640 And I feel like if you were five and it's like, and my grandfather's the president, right?

01:05:51.480 Like that must be kind of, especially with kids with like strong imaginations being like,

01:05:55.260 well, I wonder what it'd be like if I, if I got to spend more time with them or do this.

01:05:58.620 Did you say that she had had a zoom call with Hunter?

01:06:01.280 Yes.

01:06:01.760 Are they in contact?

01:06:02.900 So, um, after the child support dispute, you know, it's settled and, um, that was part

01:06:09.340 of the settlement.

01:06:09.840 So like I go, you know, we go into this room and we try to like work everything out, compromise.

01:06:16.340 And, um, he, he makes a point to be like, he, he wants this relationship with Navy.

01:06:23.700 And he like, even, you know, cried saying, if you don't think, you know, that I've had this

01:06:27.940 guilt and this remorse from the day she's been born, then, then you, you don't know

01:06:33.240 me.

01:06:33.540 And I'm like, did that make you sympathize with him?

01:06:35.200 Cause I think it would make me mad.

01:06:36.680 It'd be like, Oh, I was mad.

01:06:37.900 But like when I walked into the room, you know, they had, it was just me and him.

01:06:42.240 And like, when I walked into the room and the attorney shut the door, like he just hugged

01:06:45.680 me and I just, I cried.

01:06:47.100 Like I was like, I've been so mad at you.

01:06:48.900 Like I've hated you.

01:06:50.380 I've been so mad.

01:06:51.460 And like, I got super emotional and, and we sat down and, and we kind of got to talking

01:06:56.400 and he was emotional and telling me, you know, that he's lived with this guilt and this remorse

01:07:00.280 and, you know, he hates it.

01:07:01.360 And I was like, I'd brought him a box.

01:07:03.480 Did I tell you that part yet?

01:07:04.840 So the whole point of me showing up to his deposition, you know, most times the other

01:07:08.540 side doesn't show up, but, um, I definitely caught him off guard when I showed up to the

01:07:12.700 deposition.

01:07:13.080 I brought this white box because it was the Thursday or Friday before father's day that he had

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01:08:47.940 And so Navy, I told Navy that she could, this father said she could send her dad something

01:08:56.660 because I didn't want her to know that he's in the same state as her and not seeing her.

01:09:00.960 Yeah.

01:09:01.080 So that week I let her make him something.

01:09:04.000 She made him a bracelet and then she also drew him this picture where they were potato heads

01:09:10.660 and so they were orange and they looked a lot like another form.

01:09:14.460 And so I had to write on there in quotation marks, me and my dad as potato heads.

01:09:19.700 So she didn't think that it was, or he didn't think that it was.

01:09:21.920 She's already picked different size.

01:09:23.120 So I was like, oh my gosh, you just had to pick the orange crayon, didn't you?

01:09:27.080 But, um, so I put that in a box and this bracelet, she made him that, and I can't remember what

01:09:34.340 else she might've made him, but those are like the two main points.

01:09:37.420 And then I put together pictures of her over the last five years and put it all in a box

01:09:42.940 and he comes in for the deposition.

01:09:45.800 And like, I'm sitting there with my attorneys and my, my attorney's like off the record,

01:09:50.500 my client has something that she wants to give you.

01:09:53.120 And so I stand up and I just remember my voice was shaking.

01:09:55.380 I haven't talked to this man since I told him, you know, since we had talked about me

01:09:58.240 being pregnant, since I was pregnant.

01:09:59.500 So it's been so long and my voice was shaking.

01:10:01.940 I was like, this might not mean anything to you, but it means the world to our daughter.

01:10:05.360 And that's why I'm here.

01:10:06.820 And I handed it to him.

01:10:08.140 I was like, she's made you some things in here.

01:10:09.880 And there's also pictures of her.

01:10:12.500 I was like, if you want to see more, if you're curious to see more or care, then, you know,

01:10:17.660 there's, I can give you videos or anything else you'd like to see of, you know,

01:10:21.660 her growing up over the last five years.

01:10:23.720 The stuff you've missed.

01:10:24.600 Yeah.

01:10:25.500 And, um, I'll be more than happy to like put on a USB email, whatever I need to do.

01:10:30.120 And he was just like looking at me like, thanks.

01:10:32.900 Like he thought, I guess that I hated him and which.

01:10:38.080 You do or you don't?

01:10:39.280 No, I don't.

01:10:40.200 But I mean, I was, no, but like I was, I was mad.

01:10:43.060 And there's been times like, you know, it wasn't until after that, that he kind of stops

01:10:47.160 the, the deposition for us to talk.

01:10:49.760 And, you know, can we talk just us?

01:10:51.940 And it's like, yeah, where's that been for the last five years?

01:10:54.620 Yeah.

01:10:55.620 And, um.

01:10:56.640 Cause I guess that's how I would feel when you say he like hugged you and he's crying.

01:10:59.640 He's like, I've had all this guilt.

01:11:00.540 And it's like, but you've had every opportunity over the last five years to not do this.

01:11:04.580 Right.

01:11:04.780 Like every single day that you chose to ignore Navy or to like make me go through your lawyers

01:11:08.740 or whatever else, like he could have chosen a different path.

01:11:10.820 He didn't like, where was the guilt then?

01:11:12.600 Right.

01:11:13.180 Right.

01:11:13.500 And, you know, for a long time, like I blame that on his addiction, which I feel like another,

01:11:17.780 that's another part of me just enabling his behavior.

01:11:20.620 But, um, we sat down like, and he even went and got the, had them get the white box and bring

01:11:25.580 it back there.

01:11:25.960 And we went through it together.

01:11:27.820 And, um, you know, we both sat there and, and cry.

01:11:31.560 Like I tell us, like she prays for you every night.

01:11:34.340 This little girl who doesn't even know you prays for her father every night.

01:11:38.600 Like you, you don't get that.

01:11:40.280 Like you don't understand like how much she adores and loves you.

01:11:43.900 And she don't even know you.

01:11:45.300 Like, how wrong is that?

01:11:46.580 So, uh, Hunter agreed to give several paintings.

01:11:50.320 Yeah.

01:11:50.740 So he then, you know, was like, I'm, I'm wanting to be in her life.

01:11:54.280 How do I do this?

01:11:55.060 Like, how do I just jump into it and not like traumatize her even more?

01:11:59.000 How do I do this?

01:11:59.640 And so he, he was like, I got an idea.

01:12:01.940 What if he was like art and family are the two things that helped him recover from his

01:12:07.480 darkest times.

01:12:08.860 And so he's like, what if, um, each month I can, we can start off by like a zoom call

01:12:14.300 a month and like, I could like paint with her or like show her like different paintings.

01:12:19.740 And she gets to pick a painting every month and we can connect through art and, you know,

01:12:24.920 start to build that relationship.

01:12:26.500 So it went from like once a month to like a couple of times a month.

01:12:30.920 So like a couple of times a week, they're zooming and, or he might call and check on

01:12:34.360 her or something like, and her talk to him.

01:12:36.280 And that stayed consistent?

01:12:37.820 Yeah.

01:12:38.140 It stayed pretty consistent.

01:12:39.440 And, um, it, I mean, it was doing good.

01:12:43.920 Like it had been doing good.

01:12:45.720 Yeah.

01:12:46.060 Everything was...

01:12:46.640 You're talking about it past tense though.

01:12:47.720 Did something change?

01:12:49.160 I wrote a book.

01:12:49.740 Well, okay.

01:12:53.000 And I'm just speculating this, but your dad owns a gun shop.

01:12:56.800 So, I mean, he's obviously pro second amendment.

01:12:59.660 You're from Arkansas, even though the Clintons are from there too.

01:13:03.000 It does seem like your family, I don't know about your political leanings, probably skew

01:13:07.640 conservative.

01:13:08.600 Yeah.

01:13:08.820 My family's conservative.

01:13:09.940 He knows that.

01:13:10.900 So that probably, that has to make him a little nervous.

01:13:13.960 It does.

01:13:14.420 I'm sure.

01:13:14.840 But like, um, it's like my dad says, you know, my dad's actually gone on hunt.

01:13:19.740 And stuff with Junior.

01:13:21.680 And, um...

01:13:22.460 With Don Junior?

01:13:23.280 Yeah.

01:13:24.000 He does.

01:13:24.320 He like does his hunts.

01:13:25.200 Wow.

01:13:25.380 I know.

01:13:25.980 What a tangled web we weave.

01:13:27.140 What?

01:13:27.680 So you do have a connection to Don Junior.

01:13:29.800 This is crazy.

01:13:30.820 So, and like, you know, um, I like one of their first hunts, like Junior like comes

01:13:35.820 up to him, introduces himself and, and dad tells him like, family's off limits.

01:13:41.120 Like, we're not, we're going to, not going to bash the Bidens, you know, we're not

01:13:44.360 going to, and Junior's like, no, when it comes to family, like it's all good, which is

01:13:48.280 respectable, like, that's awesome.

01:13:51.180 So, um...

01:13:52.320 So you, you were, you met with them?

01:13:53.840 No, I did.

01:13:54.620 Oh, okay.

01:13:55.100 Like your dad.

01:13:55.660 Your dad, your dad has hung out with Don Trump Jr.

01:13:58.740 There is, there is no way you will get any of these conspiracy theorists to believe, or

01:14:03.760 to not believe, that this is all just one big conspiracy.

01:14:06.760 Everybody knows each other.

01:14:08.100 Yeah, that's what people think.

01:14:09.000 It's a psych, psych, psychological operation.

01:14:11.980 It's all fake, or it's all plain.

01:14:13.640 Like, probably one of the most prominent under, underpinnings of conspiracy theory is that

01:14:17.860 all of the elites are friends with each other, and it's all one big show to manipulate the

01:14:21.680 public.

01:14:22.220 Oh, I wouldn't think that, as much as like, I think that they don't like each other, the

01:14:26.780 Bidens and the Trumps, that would be, that would be hard bust to get on.

01:14:31.380 To believe that they're secretly friends?

01:14:32.780 Well, like the Obamas and Bushes supposedly hate each other, and now they're like best friends.

01:14:36.260 There's, there's a conspiracy theory right now.

01:14:38.660 People are, it's, it's, I wouldn't call it the most prominent, but you know, in these pockets

01:14:42.380 of the internet, and they're on Twitter, saying that the plan the whole time was to have Trump

01:14:48.200 lose in 2020, to build patriotic fervor so that Trump wins in 2024, and can enact a very

01:14:54.340 pro-America, Patriot Act-style kind of government that people will accept.

01:14:57.840 This is a conspiracy theory.

01:14:59.860 When people hear like, you know, you're, you know, you have this kid, Hunter is not involved,

01:15:04.600 but your dad knows Junior, this is, this is, like, people start drawing lines that aren't

01:15:09.280 there, you know what I mean?

01:15:09.920 Yeah, I could see that, but see, it actually happened because dad is, he's really big in

01:15:16.800 the hunting industry, and he's one of the only people in the hunting industry that does

01:15:20.120 what he does, and he, like, created it from the ground up.

01:15:22.740 What does he do?

01:15:23.420 He's a custom gun shop, so he does, like, Cerakoten and camo dip, and he does, like, for

01:15:28.440 shotguns, like, he'll do a waterfowl package, he'll do a turkey package, and he's actually

01:15:33.380 Benelli's Performance Shop, so they send these guns from Italy to my dad.

01:15:37.560 He does the performance package on them, and sends them back to Benelli, who gets them

01:15:42.540 out, and then he also does, you know, just random customers, you know, but he has that

01:15:46.800 big thing with Benelli, and then he does everyone else's guns, too.

01:15:50.320 So, like, a bunch of, like, he's friends with, like, a bunch of country music stars, and it

01:15:55.760 just so happens, like, he's on this TV show, The Foul Life, where they go out and they shoot

01:16:01.100 ducks, and it's, like, him and his friends who are country music stars and stuff, and

01:16:06.980 dad gets invited on it a lot, this Chad Belding, and he gets invited to it a lot, and then Chad

01:16:12.620 Belding knew Junior and was inviting him on a show, and Junior, yeah, and he's into hunting,

01:16:19.680 and Junior wanted to do, wanted his guns done by my dad, and then finds out, like, who it

01:16:24.860 is, and was, like, wow.

01:16:26.860 It's a small world.

01:16:27.820 Yeah, small world.

01:16:28.560 Small world, for sure.

01:16:29.880 Yep.

01:16:30.540 That's why, yeah, it happened, like, randomly, and even, like, when it happened, I, like, wasn't

01:16:37.960 happy about it, because it was public, you know, dad posted something, I think Junior posted

01:16:42.220 something, and at that time, you know, I hadn't talked to Hunter, we weren't going through

01:16:49.540 a child support dispute yet, or anything like that, and it seemed like we were out to get

01:16:54.400 him, and, like, you know, changing the last name, you know how I talked about earlier,

01:16:57.400 like, the court documents say that, that's what my attorney said in the court documents,

01:17:00.060 but I saw it as, like, a peace offering, like, we don't hate you.

01:17:02.900 I wouldn't be offering to let my child have your last name if we hated you, like, here's

01:17:07.580 a peace offering, like, to let you know, like, these are, you know, waving a white flag

01:17:11.720 type thing, and it was taken the complete opposite, as if, like, it was political warfare,

01:17:17.300 and I was doing this to, like, bring him down, I was like, that's not the case, so then

01:17:21.400 after, like, dad starts, you know, going on this hunt, and posts about being there with

01:17:26.260 him, I felt like, great, like, they really do think, like, I'm out for political warfare,

01:17:30.620 like, that's what I'm out to do, and that wasn't the case.

01:17:32.900 Well, you're probably not going to say this, answer this honestly, but do you have any evidence

01:17:36.640 or anything that really could screw over Hunter Biden?

01:17:39.860 Do you have any inside information?

01:17:41.480 I mean, you don't have to divulge it, but, like, is that, I mean, is that what he's worried

01:17:44.640 about, blackmail maybe, you know, maybe you know something about him, because you knew him

01:17:48.200 before the laptop came out?

01:17:49.140 Listen, I have to testify in September, and you're going to, like...

01:17:51.960 Well, that's what I'm saying, I mean, that's what I, I guess my point is, the reason why

01:17:55.420 I ask that, because I'm kind of like, why wouldn't Hunter just acknowledge it, why wouldn't

01:17:58.540 he be in the Navy's life?

01:17:59.400 It's not, like, a financial issue, unless he thinks somehow you could retaliate against

01:18:03.620 him, or screw him over, or something, you know what I mean?

01:18:05.780 I just feel like, maybe that's why he's more scared of you than instead of...

01:18:09.100 I don't think he's scared, I don't, I don't, I don't truly know what it is, but I think

01:18:15.100 that it's more personal than political, and so...

01:18:18.440 I'd imagine it's not a blackmail thing, like, I really doubt London's like, Hunter, I got

01:18:24.480 this document.

01:18:25.380 It's probably more just like, hey, this one time Hunter burned her boob with a crack pipe,

01:18:29.360 and he really doesn't want people to hear those stories.

01:18:31.660 So he's, like, trying to distance himself from it, but that probably only makes it worse.

01:18:35.940 But, so he was having his regular phone call or Zoom calls with Navy, and seems like they

01:18:41.820 are building a relationship, do you think in some ways, when he started doing that, he

01:18:46.860 was hoping that you wouldn't do something like write a book, or talk about anything else?

01:18:51.060 Like, was he hoping to have this relationship with her, but also to kind of pacify you?

01:18:55.560 Well, you know, we also did, like, they, his attorney and them did ask me, like, prior

01:18:59.820 to, during the child support dispute, if I was going to write a book, or do anything like

01:19:03.580 that, and I basically told him, like, it was still an option.

01:19:07.700 I hadn't decided yet, but, you know, at some point, I do want my daughter to know my story.

01:19:12.680 And I made that very clear, and that was, you know, over a year ago.

01:19:15.700 But I don't think he did it in a way to, you know, hope that I wouldn't do this or do that,

01:19:22.300 because he, you know, I had, I've had time to process what he said about me in his book.

01:19:28.580 So I want to give him that time to process.

01:19:31.140 What did he say about you in his book?

01:19:32.180 He had no recollection of me, and during that time, he said that he was around girls that

01:19:39.060 were hardly the dating type.

01:19:42.280 Wow.

01:19:43.140 Yeah.

01:19:43.520 You know how you get back at him, and I'm not encouraging you to do this, because I don't

01:19:46.500 want to say that I'm supporting it, but if you started in OnlyFans, that would blow up

01:19:51.120 the internet, and you'd make $10 million in one year.

01:19:54.220 Your dad might be upset about it.

01:19:55.500 Your dad would be mad.

01:19:56.060 Yeah, I might never be able to go back to a family dinner again, but.

01:20:00.420 I mean, he would hate that if everybody could see you in that light.

01:20:05.620 I mean, I don't know.

01:20:06.480 Maybe Joe Biden would have to step in at that point if you decided to do that.

01:20:10.080 Because let's be real, how are you?

01:20:11.240 I feel like that would just reinforce what Hunter wrote about her, right?

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01:20:16.620 Actually, in all honesty, though, the inversion is like, become a lawyer or a doctor or something,

01:20:22.160 and then show them that their refusal to acknowledge you and, you know, Hunter and your child

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01:21:55.240 Politically motivated.

01:21:58.600 Right.

01:21:58.900 I was on a show the other day and he, like, when we got done, he was like,

01:22:03.480 I wasn't expecting this at all.

01:22:06.360 And I was like, expecting what?

01:22:08.560 And he's like, I think that you just, like, proved to my audience that you're not

01:22:11.980 who they try to portray you that you are.

01:22:15.680 And I was like, well, I mean, I guess I'll take that as a compliment.

01:22:18.400 Hardly the dating type.

01:22:19.820 Yeah.

01:22:20.000 What if the real reason Hunter didn't want to acknowledge you is because he knew

01:22:23.480 your dad was friends with the Trumps and he was like, uh-oh, if they find out that

01:22:26.860 we're connected, it's bad news.

01:22:28.880 It had nothing to do with past life, drugs, or anything like that.

01:22:31.820 I didn't know that was a conspiracy.

01:22:34.220 Well, we're making it right now.

01:22:35.760 Yeah, it's true.

01:22:36.260 No, but it is kind of surprising to hear that your dad, like, I'm assuming he's

01:22:39.780 friends with Junior.

01:22:41.140 I mean, if they're hanging out, right?

01:22:42.400 Well, I mean, it was for TV.

01:22:44.340 It was for the Fowl Life.

01:22:45.440 Oh, okay.

01:22:45.840 All right.

01:22:46.040 Sounds like he was kind of a client.

01:22:47.180 That's even kind of a bigger deal, though, than he's on a TV show.

01:22:49.820 I mean, they've talked since.

01:22:51.460 Like, they have each other's number and stuff.

01:22:53.580 So, I mean, I guess, yeah.

01:22:54.860 Some might say best friends.

01:22:56.180 They're just absolute friends.

01:22:57.100 I wouldn't go that far.

01:22:57.740 They have friendship bracelets.

01:22:58.980 They hang out every day, and they talk about how much they hate the Biden's.

01:23:01.260 No, I'm just kidding.

01:23:02.600 So, the other thing that I would wonder about is, like, you're saying Navy's really bright,

01:23:06.600 she's really ambitious, maybe a little manipulative.

01:23:08.380 But, you know, if she becomes, like, a doctor or a lawyer or, like, whatever she does, like,

01:23:13.960 are you worried that eventually the Bidens will be like, oh, now we claim her, and that

01:23:18.840 will have a—I could imagine that it would have a terrible long-term effect on a child.

01:23:22.700 Like, you're only good when you've done something that pleases us.

01:23:26.720 Yeah.

01:23:27.180 I mean, that would be tough.

01:23:28.540 But I think, you know, from the beginning, it's been tough because, you know, you have to

01:23:33.180 fight for paternity.

01:23:33.940 You have to go through a child support dispute.

01:23:36.240 Everything's public.

01:23:36.920 So, and this isn't like, you know, a lot of times they talk about how it can affect a

01:23:42.620 little girl not having her dad in her life and how there's this huge void and whatnot.

01:23:47.160 But this is also, on top of that, this huge public scandal that's all over the place that

01:23:51.940 she's going to have to read about someday.

01:23:53.540 And then on top of that, she has to see, like, you know, she doesn't have to see because,

01:23:57.760 obviously, I haven't seen all of it either, and I'm an adult.

01:24:00.140 But, like, the laptop and everything that people have released and all that stuff is—that's

01:24:05.500 going to be hard.

01:24:06.160 Like, I can't—

01:24:07.160 Can't predict what that's going to be like.

01:24:08.800 Yeah, I can't.

01:24:09.680 There's so much that this little girl is going to have to see, and there's so much she's

01:24:14.860 going to have to process.

01:24:15.620 And I guess that's another reason why, like, I try to be open with her from the beginning.

01:24:19.400 I want her to be open-minded.

01:24:20.560 I want her to accept who she is from the beginning because I don't—you know, she's

01:24:25.440 going to have to do that someday.

01:24:26.260 So is your dad the sort of major male role model in her life right now?

01:24:30.020 Oh, yeah.

01:24:30.260 And is he very different from Hunter?

01:24:32.380 Because it sounds like he must be if he's, like, this, you know, carved out this really

01:24:35.540 interesting niche in an industry and, like, you know, doing all this stuff.

01:24:38.760 Like, what's the contrast between these two male roles and her life?

01:24:41.360 Yeah, he is.

01:24:42.260 I mean, he absolutely is.

01:24:44.180 But I'll say, like, in one of the Zoom calls, he wanted to talk to her, and this is a story

01:24:49.680 too in the book, but Dad, like, we're at Mom and Dad's, and so he wants a Zoomer.

01:24:55.860 They Zoom, and she's—you know, Navy's there.

01:24:59.020 Mom and Dad's mom's there.

01:25:00.500 Dad was out in his shop and then, like, comes in.

01:25:02.740 He's like, oh, hey, Hunter, how are you?

01:25:04.860 And he's like, hey, hey, how are you?

01:25:06.580 And they, like, kind of go back and forth and walk on.

01:25:08.520 Like, it's just—as much as people, like, want to say that, like, you know, politics

01:25:14.120 can create that divide—I don't know if you've seen the New York Times article where there

01:25:17.500 were, like, a tale of two families, and they tried to make it, like, this, you know, MAGA

01:25:22.560 family and this, you know, the Bidens, and they tried to create that divide, and it was

01:25:28.660 in that moment didn't exist, you know?

01:25:32.840 Like, you come together for the sake of a child.

01:25:34.900 Sure.

01:25:35.120 And your love for the child outweighs politics and anything else in the world, and I mean,

01:25:39.740 that's exactly how my father feels.

01:25:41.440 He defends Hunter in every setting, and actually, I mean, he always says, you know, I won't

01:25:47.580 ever say a bad thing about him because he's given me my greatest blessing in my life, and

01:25:52.980 that's my granddaughter, and so he won't—you know, Dad won't talk about Hunter.

01:25:57.700 Did they ever discourage you from trying to, like, talk about this story publicly when

01:26:01.760 you were releasing this book where your parents, like, don't do this because we don't want

01:26:06.000 Navy to, you know, have yet another thing, or were they, like, go for it?

01:26:09.380 No, they thought that it was—

01:26:10.620 Because if they're not going to talk badly about Hunter, like, it's not that you're

01:26:12.720 talking badly about him, but you're being honest.

01:26:14.720 Right, right.

01:26:15.100 So that's, you know, when we were looking at, like, book titles and stuff, Sweetly Raw

01:26:19.860 is what one of my co-authors came up with.

01:26:21.920 She's like, it's just, like, it's raw.

01:26:24.360 Like, it's the truth, but it's also, like, you're humanizing him.

01:26:27.760 There's this light out there, like, this humanized light, and you loved him.

01:26:33.660 Like, the story's so much different than what everyone else portrayed, and it's not like

01:26:40.500 you're talking bad or out, like, a hit job or anything like that.

01:26:43.460 You're just setting the record straight, and so it wasn't—my family wanted to support

01:26:50.240 my story, and they wanted, you know, Navy to know it, and they want to support that as

01:26:54.720 much as they can.

01:26:55.440 So, no, they definitely didn't try to hold back.

01:26:57.580 They were like, that's something that, you know, you should do for your daughter.

01:27:00.020 And so now that the book is coming out, Hunter doesn't talk to Navy on Zoom, or that's—

01:27:04.820 So I'm giving him time to process that, because it's only been, like, a month that they've,

01:27:11.540 you know, let it be known that there's a book.

01:27:12.920 And I couldn't tell him that I was writing a book, because I had signed this, like, contract

01:27:17.240 where you can't talk about the book.

01:27:19.760 And so I couldn't tell him, and then when I could, you know, I'm going to give—I've

01:27:24.200 had time to process, you know, the things that he said about me, and I'll let him have

01:27:29.900 that time to process my recollection of him.

01:27:33.080 Well, and I just want to ask this question.

01:27:34.820 So you've been open and honest about how you were partying with him, and when I'm guessing,

01:27:41.260 and just speculating, when Navy was conceived that Hunter was partying, were you worried

01:27:45.860 about any birth defects or anything?

01:27:47.320 Because, you know, they say that, like, if you're drunk and you have a baby, it could

01:27:50.560 have issues, you know.

01:27:52.140 Did you think that was going to affect Navy at all?

01:27:53.400 Does that come from the male?

01:27:54.800 I don't know.

01:27:55.180 Sometimes I think it can come from both, I think.

01:27:56.820 Oh, I didn't know.

01:27:57.700 Like, a lot of people say—and we're on YouTube, but—so I don't want to talk about

01:28:01.800 it, but the occurrence of Down syndrome going up, some people blame the pharmaceutical industry,

01:28:06.520 but a lot of people say the older men, when you have a baby and you're older, that sometimes

01:28:10.620 the male semen is a reason—could be a—

01:28:13.580 That quality is worse?

01:28:14.400 It could be a reason why more kids are born with Down syndrome or birth defects, like

01:28:18.080 Kleinfeldt or anything.

01:28:19.200 So were you worried about any birth defects?

01:28:21.140 Because he is not old, but an older dad.

01:28:23.380 Yeah, but, like, one, I didn't know that.

01:28:24.840 Drunken high while you guys were doing it, I mean—

01:28:27.160 And I didn't know that, like, it could come from the sperm.

01:28:30.420 I just always thought that was, you know, either, like, genetics coming together or how

01:28:35.420 the, like, mother carried it.

01:28:36.620 Like, did she take a prenatal?

01:28:37.560 Did she take care of herself while she was pregnant?

01:28:39.380 So I didn't really know that it came from that.

01:28:41.140 I think you can.

01:28:41.760 I'm not a doctor.

01:28:42.320 I mean, I think as a mother, you're always—especially pregnant, like, you're always

01:28:45.360 concerned, like—

01:28:46.660 And Navy didn't have any health issues?

01:28:48.160 No.

01:28:48.600 Okay, good.

01:28:49.200 It's actually really interesting, you know, I'm looking into just Hunter's life in general.

01:28:52.500 I mean, he was married for—I mean, what is this?

01:28:55.960 He's, like, 20-something years, and he had—he's at 30—how old is his name?

01:29:01.380 She's 30?

01:29:02.120 She must be about 30 now, 31.

01:29:03.420 30, yeah, 30 years old.

01:29:04.420 He got married at the White House during Biden's first couple years in office.

01:29:08.500 So, I mean, this is a guy, Hunter Biden, who lives this life, gets married at, what,

01:29:15.320 22?

01:29:16.720 He's married for a couple decades, and then at some point, everything just seems to break

01:29:21.900 down.

01:29:23.700 He's married as a kid.

01:29:25.360 His daughter's in his 20s, and all of a sudden leaves his wife, starts hooking up with his,

01:29:30.400 you know, brother's widow.

01:29:33.060 Then he has another kid.

01:29:34.300 He starts doing all these drugs.

01:29:35.240 I mean, was he doing drugs while he was married?

01:29:37.940 Was that a part of his life?

01:29:40.080 Um, yeah, I think so.

01:29:42.540 I think that all happened.

01:29:43.940 Actually, that book out there that I had is—someone brought it to me.

01:29:48.320 His ex-wife wrote a book.

01:29:50.960 And, um, detailed—

01:29:52.180 Kathleen Bull?

01:29:53.120 And she testified at his—the Delaware trial.

01:29:56.800 So, I don't know the—

01:29:57.860 She had seen him with, like, drug paraphernalia.

01:29:59.980 I don't know the extent of it, but, like, a friend brought it to me while I've been here.

01:30:04.320 Like, well, last night, but a friend brought it up to me that, um, I should read it because

01:30:11.280 she's like, you're—you're describing the same person, just different stories, and I

01:30:15.980 haven't read it.

01:30:17.680 So, I mean, it's definitely something that—

01:30:20.120 Hunter Biden's wife was cousins with Steve Buscemi.

01:30:23.700 Third cousin, so it's not like they're hanging out or anything, but that's just a weird thing

01:30:27.280 to add to our Wikipedia page.

01:30:28.400 I don't know that that's true.

01:30:29.260 There's no citation, but, you know, people like to add that stuff.

01:30:32.280 Interesting.

01:30:33.860 If it is, it's very funny.

01:30:35.940 I think they spelled Buscemi wrong.

01:30:37.780 They did, because it's—it's pronounced Buscemi.

01:30:39.920 Yeah.

01:30:40.380 And Steve's repeatedly been like, my name is pronounced Steve Buscemi.

01:30:43.000 People keep—people keep saying Buscemi.

01:30:45.860 I just can't—

01:30:46.800 What matters?

01:30:47.660 I'm just blown away they can't even—Bidens can't even give their granddaughter a birthday

01:30:51.780 present, a Christmas present.

01:30:54.520 I mean, I think one day they will acknowledge it.

01:30:56.460 And then I remember, you know, I'll say this on here, but you did get a little mad because

01:30:59.980 I said, and this was a little insensitive, that Joe Biden's only going to be alive for

01:31:03.380 like 15 more minutes, which are probably longer than that, but let's just be real.

01:31:07.180 He is 80.

01:31:08.020 He is kind of declining.

01:31:09.680 81, excuse me.

01:31:11.140 You know, the clock is ticking, right?

01:31:13.700 I mean, they're going to probably have him on modern medicine.

01:31:16.860 He can probably live until he's 90.

01:31:17.980 But it's just—there should be some urgency to have a connection to his granddaughter.

01:31:21.880 The fact that he won't do that.

01:31:22.640 Especially when he's spoken so openly about how much he values his other granddaughters,

01:31:27.240 right?

01:31:27.600 Like, that's such a long-term wound to inflict on Navy for no reason, right?

01:31:32.280 You either like being a grandparent or you don't.

01:31:35.420 Yeah, and I can't—you know, I can't imagine, one, having, you know, a child or a grandchild

01:31:40.500 and not being in its life.

01:31:42.240 And then also, kind of like you said, like, the clock is ticking, like, getting older and

01:31:46.580 not developing that relationship because you can't get time back.

01:31:49.220 Like, the past five years or five years, they will never get with her.

01:31:52.900 And they've been the best five years of my life.

01:31:55.300 Yeah.

01:31:55.880 You know, like, there's so much—it's such a great age and so many, like, milestones

01:32:01.080 that have happened.

01:32:02.120 And they'll never see those, you know, from her first breath to where she is now.

01:32:06.240 They'll never get those.

01:32:07.540 Do you wish her siblings would reach out?

01:32:08.920 Because, I mean, like, again, we're talking about his adult children.

01:32:12.200 They could reach out and have a relationship with her, but they aren't.

01:32:14.700 Do you think that they ever—like, would you want them to?

01:32:16.860 Or do you think it would be more confusing for Navy?

01:32:19.160 You know, I think that that's solely, like, up to them.

01:32:22.860 And I'm indifferent either way, I guess, with how that goes.

01:32:28.960 Because as a mother, you can't have enough people in your child's life to love her.

01:32:32.820 And you want people in her life that'll love her and be a good influence.

01:32:35.800 So, I mean, it's kind of like, you know, I was saying earlier, if they want to step in

01:32:39.420 and be a good influence.

01:32:41.540 That book that you mentioned, If We Break, is that what it was?

01:32:44.480 Yeah, that's the one.

01:32:45.120 It is interesting.

01:32:45.920 Yeah, Hunter was—had tax problems in the 2000s.

01:32:49.140 He had drug problems.

01:32:50.760 He was in rehab in 2003 and 2012, and she's with him the whole time.

01:32:55.220 She changed her name back after they got a divorce.

01:32:57.540 Multiple extramarital affairs.

01:32:58.860 Yeah, including his brother's widow, and then how he got kicked out of the Navy for cocaine use.

01:33:05.340 So, I mean, this is a guy who needed help a long time ago.

01:33:08.360 And it's really sad to see this and to hear these stories over and over again.

01:33:13.360 You know, they get married in their early 20s.

01:33:16.220 They have a kid.

01:33:16.840 And they're living this life, and this dude just for decades is in this struggle.

01:33:22.920 You know, I have to wonder—I'm just going to say, this reflects very, very poorly on Joe,

01:33:28.220 on Jill, on the rest of their family for not being able to get this guy the help he needs.

01:33:35.160 But then if you look at the Burisma scandal stuff, continually—continuing to put him in these positions,

01:33:41.620 like on the board of Burisma, with these deals with—it seems like they literally just did not care.

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01:35:13.340 I mean, you can't be in rehab in 2003

01:35:17.820 and then have them keep putting him in these positions

01:35:20.520 that make these things worse without helping him.

01:35:23.520 I just, I think it's disgraceful.

01:35:25.940 Well, in a way, though, that's why they like that he has issues like that.

01:35:28.320 So he's more vulnerable to do these things.

01:35:30.540 Yep, easier to control.

01:35:31.280 Yeah, easier to control.

01:35:32.200 You know, I brought it up at one point.

01:35:35.580 Like, it kind of goes along with what you're saying.

01:35:38.040 And I can't imagine, you know, being a parent

01:35:41.140 and getting over this crazy, like, horrible tragedy that's happened

01:35:46.820 but, like, still being sworn into the Senate, like, days later

01:35:53.160 just doing it, like, by their hospital bed.

01:35:56.000 Like, it's, that's, I would have taken that time off

01:35:58.360 to probably be there with my family.

01:36:00.740 It's very, it's a crazy story,

01:36:02.500 and I think that was why Joe Biden was so compelling to a lot of people.

01:36:05.240 You know, the fact that he was this young father with young children

01:36:08.780 who had just lost his wife and daughter.

01:36:11.440 On the other hand, you know,

01:36:13.240 all politicians have to make a choice about

01:36:16.180 if they are going to have a career in politics

01:36:18.440 or if they are ultimately going to spend more time with their family.

01:36:22.200 And I don't think that that, you know, necessarily

01:36:24.780 the choices that Joe Biden made seem to have benefited Hunter.

01:36:28.880 You know what I'm saying?

01:36:29.420 Like, he spent his life in politics.

01:36:31.140 He became the vice president.

01:36:31.980 Now he's the president.

01:36:32.640 But it seems like there were people in his lives

01:36:35.720 who needed a level of support

01:36:37.120 that maybe the political career he was pursuing

01:36:39.440 didn't allow him to offer them.

01:36:40.960 Because I think part of it with addicts is, like,

01:36:43.180 you can't make them do anything, right?

01:36:46.000 Like, you could maybe get them committed,

01:36:47.880 but ultimately a lot of it is internal.

01:36:50.280 On the other hand, it is odd that, you know,

01:36:53.400 it seems like, because from what I can tell,

01:36:55.900 like, Joe was pretty much stay at home with them.

01:36:57.800 Like, he did have people in his life,

01:36:59.760 and ultimately it's like when they need Hunter to do something,

01:37:03.760 like, be on the board of charisma, he can be there.

01:37:06.080 But when it seems like other parts of his life are in shambles,

01:37:08.660 it's sort of like, let's brush it under the rug.

01:37:10.300 I mean, what message are you sending to the person involved there?

01:37:14.200 Can you reach those?

01:37:15.020 I don't know if you can...

01:37:16.200 So I got these little coins that we've been showing off.

01:37:22.920 And...

01:37:23.320 Oh.

01:37:24.620 Yeah.

01:37:25.020 So each of them has, on one side,

01:37:28.500 Trump or Biden being inaugurated,

01:37:29.960 and the backside is Trump or Biden in prison.

01:37:33.100 And I'm just looking over at them,

01:37:34.240 and I'm thinking to myself, like,

01:37:36.180 how surreal must it be

01:37:38.060 to know that the grandfather of your child

01:37:40.880 is depicted this way?

01:37:42.520 It must be just, like,

01:37:44.740 I don't know, surreal.

01:37:46.200 It is.

01:37:47.720 It definitely is.

01:37:49.680 Like, you find yourself in this weird tabloid story reality

01:37:53.380 that's, like, you'd think would be a movie script.

01:37:56.140 Yeah.

01:37:57.180 Absolutely.

01:37:57.820 Well, speaking of tabloid stuff,

01:37:59.380 you guys got high, drank,

01:38:01.540 so I'm sure, you know,

01:38:02.640 when you use cocaine, you talk a lot.

01:38:04.680 Who did Hunter make fun of?

01:38:06.440 Who did he bash?

01:38:07.300 Come on, he never said anything about

01:38:09.420 Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

01:38:10.960 He never said anything about...

01:38:12.580 I mean, he had to have given you inside information

01:38:14.880 something that's interesting

01:38:16.280 that sticks out.

01:38:18.560 No.

01:38:19.100 I think life is more boring than people realize.

01:38:21.000 Yeah, I think so, too.

01:38:22.900 I'm just surprised he's not like,

01:38:24.300 well, you know,

01:38:24.740 Jeffrey Epstein was actually a good guy.

01:38:26.280 You know,

01:38:28.180 the reality is

01:38:29.580 everything's so much more mundane and routine,

01:38:32.920 and I think because of movies and TV shows,

01:38:35.500 people expect

01:38:36.400 the lives of Trump

01:38:39.540 and all these people

01:38:40.020 to be the craziest thing ever,

01:38:41.780 and, you know,

01:38:42.420 to a certain degree,

01:38:43.980 there is some truth to it,

01:38:45.060 but overwhelmingly not.

01:38:46.020 Like, you know,

01:38:46.760 I went and visited Mar-a-Lago

01:38:47.760 for the first time,

01:38:48.800 and Trump is just walking around,

01:38:49.960 he shakes someone's hand,

01:38:50.660 and then he walks away,

01:38:51.520 and it's rather uneventful.

01:38:53.280 It's fun to watch him speak,

01:38:54.840 but I tell you,

01:38:56.800 yes,

01:38:57.340 Trump is flying on private jets,

01:38:58.320 and he's the president.

01:38:59.240 There's very few people

01:39:00.180 who live lives like that,

01:39:01.440 but I'm willing to bet

01:39:03.180 99, 95% of Hunter Biden's life

01:39:06.120 is sitting around at the table

01:39:07.760 on the computer

01:39:08.260 looking at X and Facebook

01:39:10.280 and the same thing as everybody else,

01:39:12.120 going to the grocery store,

01:39:12.880 buying milk.

01:39:13.360 Yeah, is Hunter on Twitter, Instagram,

01:39:13.860 and social media

01:39:14.440 under burner accounts?

01:39:15.400 Does he look at social media?

01:39:17.240 You can tell us that.

01:39:18.900 I mean,

01:39:19.600 he used to look things up

01:39:21.100 like on the internet,

01:39:21.880 but as far as social media,

01:39:23.320 Did he have an Instagram?

01:39:25.040 Did he have a Twitter, London?

01:39:26.260 He didn't show me any of those.

01:39:27.440 So you never saw him

01:39:28.500 on social media?

01:39:29.500 No, because he also, like...

01:39:30.760 He gets crushed on social media.

01:39:31.660 If I was him,

01:39:32.120 I wouldn't want to be on it either.

01:39:33.280 That was also, like,

01:39:33.980 during a time

01:39:34.460 when those memes came out.

01:39:35.760 Do you remember when, like,

01:39:36.540 Joe and Obama

01:39:38.840 had all those, like,

01:39:39.680 funny memes?

01:39:40.180 Oh, yeah.

01:39:40.740 That was like

01:39:41.320 an AstroTurf campaign

01:39:43.060 where that meme was everywhere.

01:39:44.260 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:39:45.320 Hunter was reading

01:39:46.300 a bunch of the memes

01:39:47.140 of his dad

01:39:47.700 being the bumbling Doddard

01:39:48.700 for Obama?

01:39:49.180 No, I was reading them

01:39:50.460 to him from his laptop

01:39:51.800 because I thought

01:39:52.700 they were funny

01:39:53.220 and he, like,

01:39:54.260 hadn't really seen them

01:39:55.480 or he'd seen, like,

01:39:56.040 one or two had them

01:39:56.700 sent to him

01:39:57.140 and he's like,

01:39:57.580 like, he didn't like them.

01:39:59.380 And so I was like,

01:40:00.180 no, like,

01:40:00.480 some of them are really funny

01:40:01.440 and so, like,

01:40:02.100 me and one of my friends,

01:40:03.760 like, we're on his laptop

01:40:04.480 and we're, like,

01:40:04.840 reading and showing it to him

01:40:06.100 and he's just like...

01:40:07.720 I thought they were funny

01:40:08.480 because they were always...

01:40:09.820 Go ahead.

01:40:10.320 Sorry.

01:40:10.720 I was going to say

01:40:11.400 it's always, like,

01:40:12.400 Joe saying something like,

01:40:13.820 oh, no,

01:40:14.100 I dropped my ice cream

01:40:14.880 and then Obama being like,

01:40:15.980 it's okay, Joe,

01:40:19.180 I thought they were funny.

01:40:20.400 They are funny

01:40:20.960 because he's senile.

01:40:22.180 If he'd have had social media,

01:40:23.500 though,

01:40:23.620 I think he'd have

01:40:24.180 probably seen all those

01:40:25.120 because those took over.

01:40:25.460 So he doesn't have a Facebook.

01:40:26.740 He has none of that.

01:40:27.840 No.

01:40:28.440 Not that I'm aware of.

01:40:29.120 That's what I'm saying.

01:40:29.780 His life is probably

01:40:30.640 very boring aside from

01:40:31.660 the crack and the,

01:40:32.680 you know,

01:40:33.220 and the weird partying.

01:40:34.780 But even then,

01:40:35.440 I got to be honest,

01:40:36.140 like, that is technically

01:40:37.340 still mundane.

01:40:38.520 Go to any major city

01:40:39.620 and a large portion

01:40:40.900 of the population,

01:40:41.480 this is just boring

01:40:42.320 everyday life.

01:40:43.100 It's not extraordinary.

01:40:44.880 It's bad.

01:40:45.860 It's bad.

01:40:46.420 Did he take you

01:40:46.980 on any wild trips

01:40:48.000 or anything fun?

01:40:50.100 Look at you smiling.

01:40:51.220 That's a yes.

01:40:52.060 Yeah, yeah.

01:40:52.600 What vacations

01:40:53.340 did you guys go to?

01:40:54.260 We didn't.

01:40:55.220 We normally just

01:40:56.060 stayed around here.

01:40:57.080 Like, he would,

01:40:58.300 there was,

01:40:59.020 there's like one story

01:40:59.880 in the book

01:41:00.180 where I talk about

01:41:00.540 he takes like this

01:41:01.400 last minute trip.

01:41:02.560 He's supposed to come over

01:41:03.260 and he's like,

01:41:03.620 hey, I got this like

01:41:04.440 last minute stop,

01:41:06.400 like this last minute trip.

01:41:07.080 I gotta go on.

01:41:07.480 I'll be right back.

01:41:08.080 And I was like,

01:41:08.360 where are you going?

01:41:08.960 He's like, China.

01:41:09.660 I was like, wait.

01:41:10.480 When I make a last minute stop,

01:41:11.860 it's like the 7-Eleven,

01:41:13.180 not all the way

01:41:14.020 across the world.

01:41:14.960 Hold on.

01:41:15.280 I just,

01:41:15.460 so wait,

01:41:16.540 you were reading

01:41:17.000 the memes of Obama and Biden

01:41:18.720 from his laptop to him?

01:41:21.040 Yes.

01:41:21.440 So that was the laptop.

01:41:23.040 The infamous

01:41:23.780 Hunter Biden laptop?

01:41:24.920 I'm sure one of the many,

01:41:26.140 yeah, probably.

01:41:26.560 He probably had

01:41:27.040 multiple laptops.

01:41:28.060 Yeah.

01:41:28.440 Well, and there was a thing

01:41:29.520 in the laptops

01:41:30.120 that came out

01:41:30.860 where he had an Escalade

01:41:32.080 that he wrecked

01:41:32.820 and that the Chinese government

01:41:34.580 was going to help fix it.

01:41:35.840 Did he, did,

01:41:36.480 yes, that was,

01:41:37.440 came out on the laptop

01:41:38.220 where they like fixed his fender

01:41:39.420 or something and paid for it.

01:41:40.420 So did he ever talk to you

01:41:41.640 about that?

01:41:42.100 No.

01:41:42.340 Does he speak Mandarin?

01:41:45.020 No, I don't think so.

01:41:45.920 No, that's unfortunate.

01:41:47.700 He never did to me,

01:41:49.220 but maybe because I don't.

01:41:50.260 So where did you like

01:41:51.420 see your relationship

01:41:52.140 going with him?

01:41:52.720 You're just like hanging out

01:41:53.680 or were you hoping

01:41:54.520 he would take you on trips

01:41:55.380 or like what was dynamic?

01:41:58.000 Any moment with him

01:41:59.060 was like always like an adventure.

01:42:00.540 Like it was always,

01:42:01.580 it was always fun.

01:42:02.540 I say that.

01:42:03.080 And then, you know,

01:42:03.580 there's also like some

01:42:04.480 darker times throughout the book

01:42:05.860 where like there's a chapter

01:42:08.320 about a night that like

01:42:11.960 I think that he's going to overdose

01:42:13.160 and like I freak out

01:42:14.200 and he's in a horrible,

01:42:16.320 horrible place

01:42:17.100 and I'd never seen him like that.

01:42:18.480 You know,

01:42:18.700 I've seen this man

01:42:19.640 from the first night I'd met him.

01:42:22.060 Like I had seen him,

01:42:23.060 you know,

01:42:23.620 drink Tito's

01:42:24.700 and buy the gallon

01:42:26.280 and do all these drugs

01:42:29.440 and he was still like

01:42:31.660 able to hold a conversation.

01:42:32.820 He was still fine.

01:42:33.460 He was still fun.

01:42:34.240 And then so one night

01:42:36.120 like he's not

01:42:36.980 and it was so,

01:42:38.460 so sad,

01:42:39.520 but definitely like a wake up call

01:42:41.180 because me and my friends

01:42:44.440 are at this,

01:42:45.120 this hotel that he had rented out

01:42:47.160 for me for my birthday,

01:42:48.160 even though my birthday's in March

01:42:49.160 and this is like September

01:42:50.260 because I'd went home

01:42:52.220 for like the spring

01:42:52.880 and the summer and come back

01:42:53.920 and so I never really had a time

01:42:55.180 to do it.

01:42:56.500 So he finally does it for me

01:42:58.040 and he had left

01:43:00.540 and then he comes back

01:43:01.580 and I've got some of my friends,

01:43:02.760 a couple of my friends there

01:43:03.760 and he knocks on the door

01:43:05.220 and so I like go over to it

01:43:07.180 and I open it

01:43:07.740 and he like throws his drink

01:43:09.500 in the air

01:43:10.000 and it goes everywhere

01:43:10.700 and I'm like,

01:43:11.760 what the hell?

01:43:13.020 He's like,

01:43:13.320 you scared me.

01:43:13.840 I was like,

01:43:13.980 you knocked on the door.

01:43:14.800 Do you not expect me to open it?

01:43:15.940 Like what is going on?

01:43:17.140 And he like walks in,

01:43:18.380 he's like staggering

01:43:19.240 and then like he's mumbling

01:43:21.060 all this like stuff

01:43:22.640 that did not make sense

01:43:23.540 and I could tell

01:43:24.200 like from the backside

01:43:25.180 like something wasn't right

01:43:26.140 but then seeing my friend's face,

01:43:28.040 like they're like

01:43:28.480 setting their drink down

01:43:29.280 like just staring at him

01:43:30.060 like they were mortified

01:43:30.940 and I was like,

01:43:32.200 and then he like falls.

01:43:33.160 He goes to sit down

01:43:34.100 and like he just like falls

01:43:35.160 from like the couch to the floor

01:43:36.240 and I like,

01:43:36.580 I run over to him

01:43:37.280 and I grab his head

01:43:38.240 and like I'm putting it on my lap

01:43:39.140 and I'm like,

01:43:39.500 somebody go get water

01:43:40.460 and like he lifts his head up.

01:43:42.840 There was a marble coffee table there

01:43:44.620 and he like lifts his head up

01:43:46.740 but he yells,

01:43:47.960 waters of World War II

01:43:49.400 and then like pank,

01:43:50.960 hits his head

01:43:51.580 on the marble coffee table

01:43:53.320 and just like passes smooth out.

01:43:55.020 Did he start bleeding or anything?

01:43:56.260 No,

01:43:56.980 but I mean it.

01:43:57.720 Did he take pills too

01:43:58.680 or just crack?

01:44:00.380 Yeah,

01:44:00.720 he took a lot of different stuff.

01:44:02.440 He took a lot of pills.

01:44:02.780 Yeah,

01:44:03.000 he was really,

01:44:04.420 yeah,

01:44:04.560 he was.

01:44:05.400 Was he on Xanax?

01:44:06.240 He's lucky to be alive.

01:44:06.700 What pills do you think

01:44:07.340 he was taking?

01:44:07.780 Xanax probably?

01:44:09.260 I don't remember all of them

01:44:11.680 but like there were some

01:44:13.200 I think that like calm him down.

01:44:14.900 Yeah,

01:44:15.120 probably anxiety medicine.

01:44:16.020 Did he ever do like ecstasy?

01:44:17.840 I don't think so.

01:44:19.120 Just the only drug,

01:44:20.340 only illegal drug you saw him do

01:44:21.900 was crack.

01:44:23.180 You never saw him smoke weed?

01:44:24.960 No,

01:44:25.200 I didn't see,

01:44:25.840 I never saw him smoke weed.

01:44:27.080 Oh,

01:44:27.340 well,

01:44:27.920 I'm just surprised

01:44:28.640 that he didn't do that but.

01:44:30.020 I don't,

01:44:30.400 you know,

01:44:30.760 I think he's kind of a crack guy.

01:44:32.180 Yeah,

01:44:32.480 I think he,

01:44:32.860 he's not really.

01:44:33.220 Well,

01:44:33.420 I mean,

01:44:33.660 but it sounds like Hunter

01:44:34.320 does a lot of stuff,

01:44:35.220 right?

01:44:35.320 He drinks gallons of liquor,

01:44:36.920 so I mean.

01:44:37.560 He did,

01:44:37.840 he did drink gallons of liquor with it.

01:44:38.540 Sometimes you're drunk,

01:44:39.480 Tim,

01:44:39.840 you get wasted.

01:44:40.880 Yeah,

01:44:41.100 he'd drink Tito's by the gallon.

01:44:43.660 Over what period of time?

01:44:44.560 He'd take that little cap off,

01:44:46.720 you know,

01:44:47.040 that like slows down the pour.

01:44:48.640 To be able to pour it more.

01:44:49.940 Or faster.

01:44:50.540 But over what period of time

01:44:51.960 he drinks a gallon?

01:44:52.620 Because I mean,

01:44:52.860 you're in a diet.

01:44:53.100 Oh,

01:44:53.180 he could drink like a gallon a day.

01:44:54.940 Holy crap.

01:44:55.980 Yeah,

01:44:56.120 and then when you mix it with cocaine,

01:44:57.880 it has like a synergistic effect

01:44:59.320 where you can drink more.

01:45:00.480 Like the cocaine allows you

01:45:01.500 to drink more,

01:45:02.140 yeah.

01:45:02.540 Yeah,

01:45:02.800 but until your blood becomes alcohol

01:45:05.180 and you die.

01:45:05.960 Well,

01:45:06.160 yeah,

01:45:06.340 I mean,

01:45:06.460 I guess you can overdose on alcohol,

01:45:09.020 but I just,

01:45:10.180 I mean,

01:45:10.500 he was drinking enough

01:45:11.240 where he didn't overdose,

01:45:12.180 but he was basically probably

01:45:13.860 right on the edge of overdosing.

01:45:14.960 He was right on the edge,

01:45:16.500 for sure.

01:45:16.800 I mean,

01:45:17.360 you're not,

01:45:18.040 are you a very political person at all

01:45:19.380 or not really?

01:45:20.700 No,

01:45:20.900 no,

01:45:20.980 I'm not,

01:45:21.400 and that's crazy how I wound up here.

01:45:22.920 I mean,

01:45:23.340 especially,

01:45:23.700 yeah,

01:45:23.920 well,

01:45:24.100 especially with last night's debate performance,

01:45:26.860 the internet is just on fire

01:45:28.020 over,

01:45:28.800 you know,

01:45:29.660 the debate and all that stuff.

01:45:31.060 I mean,

01:45:31.420 is there any consideration?

01:45:33.100 Are you,

01:45:33.360 have you been thinking about how,

01:45:34.600 what you're doing right now,

01:45:36.260 four months before a major election

01:45:38.120 could have an impact on it?

01:45:40.360 You know,

01:45:41.200 it's,

01:45:41.940 I mean,

01:45:42.340 I'm sure anything's possible,

01:45:43.420 but at the same time,

01:45:44.480 you know,

01:45:44.820 I don't think it'd have more of an impact

01:45:46.300 of him not embracing a grandchild.

01:45:48.060 I think that has more of an impact

01:45:49.200 politically than,

01:45:51.020 it's,

01:45:51.640 it's,

01:45:52.060 but that's already,

01:45:52.680 I mean,

01:45:53.140 that's already public

01:45:54.000 and the media goes off on that anyway.

01:45:56.360 So it's something like,

01:45:57.720 you know,

01:45:58.020 that him not acknowledging a grandchild

01:46:00.320 is already so public.

01:46:01.880 So just,

01:46:02.860 this is just a book about,

01:46:04.380 have you,

01:46:04.660 have you considered,

01:46:05.320 I mean,

01:46:05.760 in a hundred years,

01:46:07.420 your story is in,

01:46:10.240 it'll be a paragraph

01:46:11.120 in the history of the election.

01:46:12.960 I'm not saying it's like the biggest component,

01:46:14.760 but they will mention,

01:46:15.760 you know,

01:46:16.300 the Biden family was rife with scandals

01:46:17.840 and then they're going to mention

01:46:18.560 a bit about your story.

01:46:19.380 This is going to be in the historical record.

01:46:22.540 No,

01:46:22.920 I mean,

01:46:23.120 I guess I really haven't thought about that.

01:46:24.660 It's crazy though,

01:46:25.140 I mean,

01:46:25.440 it is,

01:46:25.880 it is crazy,

01:46:26.560 but at this point,

01:46:27.540 like everything's crazy.

01:46:28.600 The last,

01:46:29.340 yeah,

01:46:29.520 that's true.

01:46:30.000 Well,

01:46:30.220 but how has the media characterized you?

01:46:32.000 It's just some floozy,

01:46:33.180 just,

01:46:33.500 I mean,

01:46:33.760 like a one night stand type thing

01:46:35.320 and you know,

01:46:36.160 hardly the dating type,

01:46:37.480 but,

01:46:37.580 that's how Hunter described you,

01:46:39.680 but I'm just surprised.

01:46:40.460 Well,

01:46:40.560 I mean,

01:46:40.960 and the media picked up on that

01:46:42.100 or were they defensive?

01:46:42.880 Cause I did feel like there were a lot,

01:46:44.380 like a fair number of,

01:46:45.620 I remember reading a daily mail covered,

01:46:47.060 you know,

01:46:47.340 the custody or the custody,

01:46:48.900 the child support stuff pretty intensely.

01:46:51.020 And it seemed like they were sympathetic to you

01:46:52.700 in a lot of aspects.

01:46:53.400 Like here is this guy

01:46:54.700 who is just not acknowledging a child

01:46:56.620 that he fathered.

01:46:57.640 I mean,

01:46:58.100 it,

01:46:58.700 it's,

01:46:59.080 was there any support

01:47:00.840 or was it all like she's trash

01:47:02.260 and when we hate her?

01:47:03.180 As far as media goes?

01:47:04.120 Yeah.

01:47:04.480 I don't know.

01:47:04.900 See,

01:47:05.000 I've only seen the things

01:47:05.760 that I had been sent.

01:47:07.680 So I can't,

01:47:08.500 I can't speak for the entire media.

01:47:11.420 I'm not.

01:47:12.320 I'm just wondering like MSNBC,

01:47:13.980 CNN,

01:47:14.340 they're always going to run cover

01:47:15.300 for the Biden.

01:47:16.040 So I don't know if it,

01:47:17.220 I feel like they just didn't talk

01:47:18.080 about the story.

01:47:18.720 Yeah.

01:47:18.860 I guess it just,

01:47:19.460 yeah,

01:47:20.080 it's like lying by omission

01:47:21.360 or whatever.

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01:48:48.800 I just don't want to

01:48:50.100 give it any attention.

01:48:51.040 But I just would imagine, though,

01:48:52.620 that they do want to paint you

01:48:54.180 as like a flash-in-the-pan,

01:48:55.640 one-night-stand situation,

01:48:57.180 but that still even makes

01:48:58.480 the Bidens look bad, right?

01:49:00.300 I mean, even if that is the case,

01:49:01.360 you still have a baby

01:49:02.320 with the president's son,

01:49:04.220 so it's hard for them

01:49:05.580 to, I guess, spin it.

01:49:08.240 And I don't know.

01:49:09.460 I feel like they either demonize you.

01:49:11.960 Maybe that makes Joe Biden look better,

01:49:13.460 but just them bringing you up

01:49:14.780 makes Joe Biden look worse.

01:49:16.640 Yeah, I think at the end of the day,

01:49:18.260 no matter how I'm depicted,

01:49:20.660 it's about the child

01:49:22.360 that they're not acknowledging.

01:49:23.560 What was your ideal scenario?

01:49:25.120 Did you want to marry Hunter

01:49:26.260 and raise this kid together?

01:49:27.640 Or did you, you know,

01:49:28.800 what would have been

01:49:29.940 your ideal scenario for this?

01:49:31.460 So I talk about how

01:49:33.080 I was kind of one of them people

01:49:35.040 that was commitment phobia,

01:49:36.760 but Hunter was the first person

01:49:39.040 that I kind of just fell for

01:49:40.860 and probably would have went all the way.

01:49:44.660 Like, but I was also like living in the moment

01:49:48.960 and just carefree.

01:49:50.640 And I talk about like being detached from us.

01:49:52.560 Like, I didn't tell Hunter

01:49:54.180 that I was in love with him.

01:49:56.120 He told me I was in love with him.

01:49:57.800 Then I'm like, oh shit, am I?

01:49:59.860 Like, you know, there's a chapter

01:50:03.060 about how like we go to New York

01:50:05.140 and we're, we're there.

01:50:06.860 And it ends with like,

01:50:08.160 we're actually in the shower.

01:50:09.800 And he says, you know,

01:50:12.040 there's, there's something that it's not good.

01:50:14.500 Like there's something bad

01:50:16.400 that's, that's going to happen.

01:50:17.600 I was like, what are you talking about?

01:50:18.340 He's like, I hurt everybody close to me

01:50:19.880 and everybody that loves me

01:50:20.980 and cares about me.

01:50:21.700 And he's like, and you found yourself

01:50:23.800 like in love with me,

01:50:24.700 like you're in love with me.

01:50:25.660 And I was like, am I?

01:50:28.260 And then, yeah.

01:50:29.180 And so like, that's,

01:50:30.400 that's kind of how that whole thing went down.

01:50:32.420 You know, like I, I was so detached

01:50:34.800 and like, yeah, he was right.

01:50:36.480 Like I had, I'd fell for him

01:50:38.140 and I didn't realize that until he told me.

01:50:41.800 So I was so like detached from my feelings

01:50:43.500 and didn't really understand.

01:50:45.660 And a lot of that being like coming to terms with it

01:50:50.340 was throughout writing this book

01:50:52.000 where like my coauthors,

01:50:53.440 one of them was like, so like,

01:50:55.280 how did this make you feel?

01:50:56.300 Like you need to put in more of like your emotions.

01:50:58.860 I'm like, eh.

01:51:00.200 It's going to be a great movie.

01:51:01.660 Yeah.

01:51:01.840 So when you told me we were pregnant,

01:51:03.320 were you like hoping he'd be like,

01:51:04.800 okay, we're going to do this together.

01:51:06.240 Or were you expecting him to be like,

01:51:07.980 I don't want, I don't want this to be the case.

01:51:10.160 No, like, you know, when I told him,

01:51:11.680 he said he was going to support me in every way.

01:51:14.600 And I just wanted him to co-parent

01:51:18.040 and just kind of, it didn't,

01:51:19.780 I wasn't thinking like, okay,

01:51:20.840 we're going to solve this

01:51:21.540 by like having a shotgun marriage

01:51:22.900 or anything like that.

01:51:23.780 Because I knew, also knew the state he was in

01:51:25.340 and I knew that was, you know, not going to happen.

01:51:27.820 But I was kind of hoping that

01:51:29.120 like when I saw his Porsche was at Chambridge

01:51:32.240 for so long, you know,

01:51:33.200 and we're thinking like, maybe he's in rehab.

01:51:36.500 Like maybe he's getting clean.

01:51:37.400 Maybe that's why he's not communicating.

01:51:38.400 Yeah.

01:51:38.740 And he's not communicating with me.

01:51:40.520 Maybe he's getting clean.

01:51:41.520 So then we can co-parent

01:51:42.480 and have like, you know,

01:51:43.860 a good relationship with this child,

01:51:45.900 regardless of, you know,

01:51:48.100 at that point,

01:51:48.760 like it was kind of fading,

01:51:49.860 like, you know, the whole,

01:51:51.060 once you fall for somebody

01:51:52.320 and I'm sure we've all been there,

01:51:54.500 but then like you come to a point

01:51:56.380 where like enough is enough

01:51:57.400 and like, you know,

01:51:58.320 that that can never go back.

01:52:00.280 Like, you'll never get back together.

01:52:02.000 And that hit, you know,

01:52:03.040 while I was pregnant,

01:52:03.720 but at the same time,

01:52:04.700 like I wanted him to be there for the child.

01:52:07.060 So.

01:52:08.080 And your friends had seen his car.

01:52:09.880 Like, how did you know his car had been there?

01:52:11.460 Was this something in the media's report?

01:52:12.240 So yeah, like my friends had seen it

01:52:13.420 and then like I'd seen it too.

01:52:14.840 So it was, it was there for a while

01:52:16.160 and it was during a few days,

01:52:17.940 like where it snowed for a period of time

01:52:20.180 and apparently like the,

01:52:21.140 the Porsche never moved

01:52:22.340 because there was so much snow on it.

01:52:23.700 And so we're thinking, oh, okay.

01:52:24.760 So yeah, there's no like tire tracks.

01:52:26.040 Like, yeah.

01:52:26.440 And he's not going to go that long

01:52:27.740 without going somewhere to,

01:52:30.360 you know, get something.

01:52:31.120 So yeah.

01:52:32.540 So we just assumed that, you know,

01:52:33.680 he was probably getting the help that he needed.

01:52:35.520 And, and he wasn't, I don't know.

01:52:37.020 I don't know if he went to rehab

01:52:38.120 and then like got out and went back to using.

01:52:41.580 I'm not sure because I can't tell you

01:52:43.740 like what he did my entire pregnancy.

01:52:46.140 Did he manipulate you?

01:52:48.060 Did Hunter manipulate you?

01:52:49.660 Cause you're from a small town, Arkansas,

01:52:51.820 you're in DC, this big city.

01:52:53.760 So you're vulnerable.

01:52:54.980 Like, do you think that he was manipulating you

01:52:56.660 the whole time?

01:52:57.980 I think he's very manipulative,

01:52:59.120 but you know, I have to,

01:53:00.480 I have to take accountability for,

01:53:02.160 I was old enough.

01:53:03.020 Yeah.

01:53:03.320 You know, I should have,

01:53:03.980 I should have been smarter.

01:53:04.860 I should have,

01:53:05.900 I should have done better things.

01:53:07.480 And I, I was old enough to take,

01:53:10.600 I can take.

01:53:11.240 Did he know that you weren't on birth control?

01:53:13.880 Well, so that's, that's the thing.

01:53:16.160 Um, I, I, I, I was on birth control and, um,

01:53:22.000 you take this, uh, a deoxy,

01:53:24.400 I think it's called deoxycycline.

01:53:26.800 Deoxycycline.

01:53:27.400 Yeah.

01:53:27.800 So like I had had this like,

01:53:29.020 these like spots or whatever on my face,

01:53:30.580 I'd taken it for like a skin and it cancels birth control.

01:53:34.420 Oh, wow.

01:53:35.320 I know how to make birth control pills fail.

01:53:36.820 Yeah.

01:53:37.160 So I didn't know that.

01:53:38.000 Your dermatologist is,

01:53:39.620 you should thank your dermatologist, right?

01:53:42.020 Now that you had the baby.

01:53:44.100 But yeah,

01:53:44.620 so I didn't know that that was like,

01:53:46.180 I learned that from 16 and pregnant on MTV.

01:53:48.520 That's what happened to one of those girls.

01:53:49.900 Yeah.

01:53:50.160 Wow.

01:53:50.660 That's a good show.

01:53:51.440 16 and pregnant.

01:53:52.160 I mean, it's a huge cultural impact.

01:53:54.360 Is there any,

01:53:54.880 is there any plans in the future to sell the rights to the book for a movie?

01:53:58.420 I mean, I don't know.

01:54:00.680 Sounds like a wild movie.

01:54:02.020 Like Hunter saying,

01:54:02.920 I heard everybody.

01:54:03.740 And you know,

01:54:04.420 he's telling you,

01:54:05.420 we can't do this.

01:54:06.280 Like it's just written.

01:54:07.340 It's like,

01:54:07.900 there's a script right there.

01:54:09.140 Well,

01:54:09.380 that and earlier you said,

01:54:11.400 like we had to take a quick trip to,

01:54:13.100 China.

01:54:13.480 Did you ask him,

01:54:14.060 Hey,

01:54:14.220 what are you doing in China,

01:54:15.780 Hunter?

01:54:16.560 No,

01:54:16.960 but I should have.

01:54:17.580 That's what I'm talking about.

01:54:18.500 That was so dumb.

01:54:19.460 Did you actually believe he was going to China?

01:54:21.640 Cause I would think this guy who disappears,

01:54:23.520 like,

01:54:23.640 he's like,

01:54:24.000 I'm going to China.

01:54:24.840 So there's my cell phone.

01:54:25.700 It's not going to work.

01:54:26.420 Like you're taking a last minute trip to somewhere where I won't be able to

01:54:29.880 contact you.

01:54:30.920 Okay,

01:54:31.560 sure.

01:54:32.600 Yeah.

01:54:32.880 Like he's doing cracks.

01:54:33.860 That's kind of like,

01:54:34.680 you really go in there.

01:54:35.940 I don't know.

01:54:36.420 Like I,

01:54:36.820 I was dumb.

01:54:37.720 I was dumb enough to believe it.

01:54:38.800 I don't know if he was,

01:54:39.880 I don't know.

01:54:40.340 He did.

01:54:42.060 I mean,

01:54:42.400 we've,

01:54:42.660 we know that he was doing business deals with China.

01:54:45.400 Yeah.

01:54:45.520 We know he was that,

01:54:46.560 but like when he said it to you,

01:54:48.140 was that the case?

01:54:48.700 Cause I would feel like that's the most difficult thing about this is like,

01:54:51.080 you had this perception of someone who you thought,

01:54:53.560 you know,

01:54:53.820 you love,

01:54:54.300 but you empathy for them.

01:54:55.300 They're going through whatever.

01:54:56.020 And I have this kid.

01:54:56.720 And then actually also a huge part of not just their story,

01:54:59.940 but their family story is a lot of like lying or covering information.

01:55:03.180 And you're also now experiencing that,

01:55:04.940 right?

01:55:05.080 The fact that they won't acknowledge Navy,

01:55:06.480 except eventually they'll give a statement to people magazine when it maybe

01:55:09.820 benefits them.

01:55:10.460 Like I would find it really difficult to reconcile this like empathetic view.

01:55:14.020 You have him with the reality that there is a lot of like covert lying

01:55:17.700 involved.

01:55:18.820 Yes.

01:55:19.200 And you know,

01:55:20.000 that's another thing that me and my coauthors talked about throughout the

01:55:23.420 book is like some of the things he told me,

01:55:27.840 do I want to say that in the book?

01:55:29.580 Cause who knows if he was lying or not,

01:55:31.820 you know,

01:55:32.140 like say it,

01:55:33.000 you should say it.

01:55:33.740 But you should with the caveat,

01:55:35.620 this is what he has claimed.

01:55:36.780 Yeah.

01:55:37.160 I know.

01:55:37.460 So like,

01:55:37.880 I wanted to make it and go about it in a way that it was like,

01:55:40.340 you know,

01:55:40.560 that that's what he had told me at least rather than,

01:55:43.780 you know,

01:55:44.200 I don't know if that's true or not,

01:55:45.400 but that's what Hunter claimed,

01:55:46.840 you know,

01:55:47.040 like even like the house on Cambridge,

01:55:49.460 you get to a point where it's like,

01:55:50.880 you've been let down so many times.

01:55:52.180 You know,

01:55:52.460 he said that his parents released in the house.

01:55:54.220 I've been there several times and seen the pictures of Joe and Jill,

01:55:56.780 been in Joe's office and I've seen all this stuff.

01:55:59.560 I've stayed there plenty nights and I'm writing this,

01:56:03.740 book.

01:56:03.960 And I'm like,

01:56:04.400 he said that his parents were like leasing it from like these friends of the

01:56:08.260 Obamas,

01:56:08.640 but I don't know if that's true.

01:56:09.800 Like,

01:56:10.000 but that's what he told me.

01:56:11.300 So you don't know how to like incorporate that into the story.

01:56:14.720 I mean,

01:56:14.880 we did and tried to say that,

01:56:16.360 you know,

01:56:16.560 like at least that's what he told me.

01:56:18.480 But do you think he said stuff like that to try and like impress you?

01:56:20.680 Like Alex was kind of saying before,

01:56:21.620 like you're,

01:56:22.200 you're from a small town,

01:56:23.160 you're from Arkansas.

01:56:23.740 Like he's trying to be like,

01:56:24.660 look,

01:56:24.820 I I'm from this political family and I have money.

01:56:27.020 And my,

01:56:27.280 my dad is Obama's vice president.

01:56:29.280 At least like,

01:56:29.780 did that,

01:56:30.380 was that how it felt when he was telling you this stuff?

01:56:32.680 And as like,

01:56:33.760 as it was going on,

01:56:34.720 no,

01:56:34.860 it didn't come.

01:56:35.440 It didn't really come across that way until,

01:56:37.460 you know,

01:56:37.820 then you're writing it and it kind of sounds that way.

01:56:39.920 Right.

01:56:41.020 But it didn't feel that way in the moment.

01:56:42.220 No,

01:56:42.380 it didn't feel that way in the moment.

01:56:43.460 But then again,

01:56:43.960 I guess I was just walking around like clueless.

01:56:46.120 And London,

01:56:46.740 I'm not attacking you when I say this,

01:56:48.380 but let's just be real.

01:56:49.600 You do want to mend the fences with him.

01:56:51.020 You're doing all these,

01:56:52.040 uh,

01:56:52.300 press tour and you're speaking highly about him.

01:56:54.720 But do you think that this helps your relationship or does this help Navy

01:56:57.580 that you're putting out the book?

01:56:58.520 I know you said it gets a story out,

01:56:59.820 but you have to know Hunter that if in his book,

01:57:02.660 he just mentioned one word,

01:57:04.420 not the dating type.

01:57:05.360 Like,

01:57:06.140 don't you think that's all he said?

01:57:07.820 That's all he said.

01:57:08.580 I'm saying,

01:57:08.940 do you think this is going to actually hurt you in the long run?

01:57:11.200 Cause that's what I'm kind of worried about.

01:57:12.440 Honestly,

01:57:12.700 you're very nice.

01:57:13.500 You're very likable.

01:57:14.400 I think this gets your story out there,

01:57:16.200 but are you worried about this jeopardizing Navy and Hunter's relationship in the

01:57:21.000 future?

01:57:21.260 Now that you are putting yourself out there.

01:57:23.080 It's possible.

01:57:25.360 I mean,

01:57:25.520 that could always happen.

01:57:26.360 And that is that,

01:57:27.080 you know,

01:57:27.320 is a worry.

01:57:27.920 You just always hope that you've been so nice.

01:57:29.560 That's what I said.

01:57:30.140 If you haven't trashed Hunter,

01:57:31.400 really,

01:57:31.720 I mean,

01:57:31.920 you've talked about your experience with him,

01:57:33.200 but you know,

01:57:33.940 people want you to be like,

01:57:34.840 Hunter's a crack at Hunter saying this.

01:57:36.280 That's what I want.

01:57:37.020 I think that's what the,

01:57:37.900 you know,

01:57:38.140 people that are watching this want and you haven't done that.

01:57:40.940 So it's kind of weird where you're trying to play it safe and not

01:57:43.400 speaking ill about him,

01:57:44.680 but at the same time,

01:57:45.440 you're speaking a crap ton about him.

01:57:47.360 So it's,

01:57:48.160 you know,

01:57:48.840 it's,

01:57:49.220 it's,

01:57:49.480 it's sweetly raw.

01:57:50.460 Like it's,

01:57:51.260 it's me,

01:57:52.620 you know,

01:57:53.100 telling my story and,

01:57:54.860 and just kind of owning it.

01:57:56.440 But I mean,

01:57:57.900 it is what it is.

01:57:59.840 It is what it is.

01:58:00.560 And you can't take those stories away.

01:58:03.080 You just kind of got to own them and go with them.

01:58:05.120 And,

01:58:05.640 you know,

01:58:06.640 I would hope that Hunter's a better man to,

01:58:11.420 you know,

01:58:11.660 not let me speak my story for my daughter and that get in the way of his

01:58:15.380 relationship with his daughter and,

01:58:17.120 and take whatever ill feelings he might have towards me for,

01:58:20.600 for telling my story out on a child.

01:58:23.260 But you know,

01:58:23.980 if,

01:58:24.180 if that's the case at the end of the day,

01:58:25.500 Navy will have her mom's story and she'll see that like,

01:58:28.000 I gave them every opportunity and that I fought for her in several ways.

01:58:31.340 And I think that's my main priority when it comes down to it.

01:58:34.800 I can say something really nice about Hunter Biden.

01:58:36.580 Okay.

01:58:36.960 He is the coolest Democrat.

01:58:38.980 He's one of them.

01:58:39.900 Yeah.

01:58:40.000 He seems like a cooler Democrat.

01:58:42.720 Like this is a joke that a lot of people say,

01:58:44.920 but it's,

01:58:45.320 it's true.

01:58:45.880 Like I don't want to encourage the lifestyle he's lived,

01:58:48.600 but he is like a wild edgy guy,

01:58:51.140 a do whatever he want type.

01:58:53.300 And then the rest of the Democrats are like dorky,

01:58:55.900 stodgy,

01:58:56.740 snooty,

01:58:57.300 elitist suit wearing,

01:58:58.720 boring,

01:58:59.240 preppy.

01:59:00.020 The Democrats,

01:59:01.140 the Democrats are like that.

01:59:02.980 I like to think of myself as an old mainstream.

01:59:07.720 Like,

01:59:08.000 no,

01:59:08.260 no,

01:59:08.360 no,

01:59:08.420 I'm not.

01:59:08.680 I'm talking about the politicians.

01:59:10.340 Like the famous ones.

01:59:11.240 Yeah.

01:59:11.440 Like the people on TV.

01:59:12.960 I'm not calling you stodgy.

01:59:13.860 Okay.

01:59:14.440 Okay.

01:59:14.680 No,

01:59:15.280 you're,

01:59:15.500 you're certainly not like you're,

01:59:17.200 you're cool.

01:59:17.960 You know what I mean?

01:59:18.460 Like Hunter is this dude who's out partying and he,

01:59:22.080 it's,

01:59:22.380 it's,

01:59:22.740 you look on TV and the Democrats that you see are very preppy,

01:59:26.340 boring,

01:59:27.720 elitist and snooty.

01:59:29.360 Republicans are not much different.

01:59:31.060 I mean,

01:59:31.260 wrong,

01:59:31.660 but you still have some like edgy Republicans who are either doing humor or I'm not even necessarily Republicans,

01:59:36.800 but you've got the libertarian leaning ones.

01:59:38.820 And so it's few and far between for sure when it comes to politics in general,

01:59:42.140 but you know,

01:59:43.400 Hunter is the wild child of this like political faction,

01:59:47.000 you know?

01:59:47.300 See,

01:59:47.480 I don't think he seems cool at all.

01:59:49.000 I think he seems immature and I think he seems like kind of a loser here.

01:59:52.580 You know what I mean?

01:59:53.140 Like I guess if doing drugs makes you cool,

01:59:56.360 that's one thing,

01:59:57.020 but he doesn't seem like he's partying.

01:59:58.140 He seems like he's an emotional spiral,

01:59:59.760 just kind of numbing with alcohol and crack.

02:00:02.180 And he's neglecting not just Navy,

02:00:03.920 but it sounds like he was not super in a place to parent the children that he had during his marriage.

02:00:08.360 That doesn't seem cool.

02:00:09.820 I want to clarify.

02:00:10.800 I mean,

02:00:11.240 I'm not saying any of those things are good.

02:00:13.040 Those are all bad things.

02:00:14.320 I'm just saying that he is not the stodgy,

02:00:18.120 boring,

02:00:19.520 elitist.

02:00:21.060 I think super elitist.

02:00:22.740 Oh really?

02:00:23.200 I think he's down to earth.

02:00:24.200 He's kind of like partying.

02:00:25.300 Yeah.

02:00:25.480 He's like at the club with like regular people and,

02:00:28.060 you know,

02:00:28.520 doing really helpful things.

02:00:29.700 I've always said that like Hunter could walk into a room full of MAGA supporters that absolutely hate him,

02:00:36.060 wearing like,

02:00:36.700 where's Hunter gear and spend one hour with them.

02:00:40.400 And by the time he left,

02:00:41.960 like they might not vote for his dad,

02:00:44.740 but at the end of the day,

02:00:45.380 they'd like him.

02:00:46.340 But I agree with that too.

02:00:48.520 But I think that says a lot about Trump supporters that if,

02:00:51.900 you know,

02:00:52.400 they're going to talk smack online,

02:00:53.660 but if Hunter walked in,

02:00:56.020 you'd get a lot of people angry.

02:00:57.480 He'd talk to them and then they'd be like,

02:00:59.440 I get it.

02:01:00.460 I don't like your dad.

02:01:01.500 I don't like it.

02:01:01.860 I get it.

02:01:02.460 Hunter,

02:01:02.780 I get it.

02:01:03.380 You know,

02:01:03.920 my point about him being cool is not that anything,

02:01:06.780 I want to stress this,

02:01:07.520 not anything that is good.

02:01:08.560 Like don't doing drugs is not,

02:01:10.560 but it's like,

02:01:12.560 when it makes it real,

02:01:14.780 but what I'm saying is like,

02:01:16.060 I'm not saying he's the coolest guy in the world.

02:01:17.820 I'm saying the coolest Democrat,

02:01:19.520 you know what I mean?

02:01:20.060 Like it's a low bar,

02:01:21.120 but he,

02:01:22.100 he,

02:01:22.360 he is this punk rock degenerate among these,

02:01:26.280 I don't know,

02:01:27.240 squares.

02:01:28.320 You know what I mean?

02:01:28.900 I don't know how to describe it,

02:01:29.840 but that's,

02:01:30.720 it's like the one nice thing you can say.

02:01:33.060 Uh,

02:01:33.340 he's like a rock star,

02:01:34.540 kind of like a degenerate rock star.

02:01:35.960 I don't know.

02:01:36.260 I mean,

02:01:36.440 he's partying,

02:01:37.180 he's in hotel rooms,

02:01:38.820 you know,

02:01:39.420 he's,

02:01:39.660 you know,

02:01:40.120 dropping crack pipes on you.

02:01:42.300 Except for maybe the paintings,

02:01:43.760 like the rock star,

02:01:44.840 at least you're like getting these crazy performances.

02:01:46.400 Like Hunter Biden's what getting money from Burisma?

02:01:49.580 Like,

02:01:49.760 I don't know.

02:01:50.740 It doesn't seem like the same thing.

02:01:52.380 It's like when I think of Hunter,

02:01:54.760 I,

02:01:55.060 and I think of the Biden family and other Democrats,

02:01:57.520 you have this former head of terror,

02:01:59.700 like director of terror for the CIA,

02:02:01.160 sit down in Burisma and he's like,

02:02:02.180 let's get the job done.

02:02:03.280 And Hunter's got sunglasses on.

02:02:04.640 Cause his pupils are dilated powder on his nose.

02:02:07.640 Like he's got a burn from a crack pipe and he's like,

02:02:10.280 I'm just here.

02:02:10.820 Cause my dad wants me to be.

02:02:11.980 And you know what I mean?

02:02:12.660 It's like,

02:02:13.080 it's degenerate.

02:02:14.520 There's bad things in all of that.

02:02:15.660 I'm just saying,

02:02:16.400 you know,

02:02:17.600 he's the wild child,

02:02:18.560 but I do want to say more seriously,

02:02:20.260 cause you asked the question about whether London should be doing this.

02:02:23.560 And I think you absolutely should be doing these,

02:02:25.600 these shows and interviews.

02:02:26.880 Cause I hate the media.

02:02:28.040 I hate the press.

02:02:29.280 And I can,

02:02:30.320 I can give some nuance to that.

02:02:31.560 There's a lot of good journalists.

02:02:32.940 It really is true.

02:02:33.640 I mean,

02:02:34.400 the corporate press is bad.

02:02:36.060 There are some people in corporate press outlets that actually do a good job,

02:02:39.260 but it's some.

02:02:40.480 And if you don't come out and do these interviews,

02:02:42.300 tell the story,

02:02:42.740 write this book,

02:02:43.320 the whole narrative is going to be whatever they decide gets the most clicks.

02:02:46.380 And the most traffic and supports their political ideology.

02:02:48.780 And the idea of you being a,

02:02:50.900 trying to be a good mom,

02:02:52.520 trying to raise a kid and trying to have this family do right is neglected completely.

02:02:56.420 When the corporate press just says,

02:02:57.900 you're this one night stand that nobody wants to date.

02:02:59.860 And they make it,

02:03:00.840 they make it look like,

02:03:02.140 you know,

02:03:03.200 they paint you as this just nasty mistake instead of a human who was in a relationship with a guy who had a kid.

02:03:11.600 And that,

02:03:12.180 and that's the reality of it.

02:03:13.200 And if you don't tell your story,

02:03:15.020 they tell it for you.

02:03:15.920 You know,

02:03:16.180 and that's,

02:03:16.660 or they make it up.

02:03:17.340 That's part of me writing this book.

02:03:19.180 You know,

02:03:19.520 I want my daughter to know that she can always stand up for herself and tell her stories,

02:03:22.700 you know,

02:03:22.880 stand 10 toes down.

02:03:23.680 I want her to know that,

02:03:24.380 you know,

02:03:24.560 her mother did that despite,

02:03:26.020 you know,

02:03:26.200 whatever narrative was put on her,

02:03:28.120 however things were portrayed and,

02:03:30.320 and whatever was done,

02:03:31.840 you know,

02:03:32.120 I want my daughter to know my story and know that I was,

02:03:34.560 you know,

02:03:34.780 I,

02:03:34.980 I did it for her.

02:03:36.100 I think for political reasons,

02:03:37.740 it like,

02:03:39.060 so let's say you,

02:03:39.900 you don't do any of it.

02:03:40.580 You don't write any books.

02:03:41.340 There's no interviews for political reasons.

02:03:43.100 The media will try to make you out to be the bad guy.

02:03:45.960 Every step they're going to,

02:03:47.740 the writings are going to be like Hunter Biden is trying to do right.

02:03:51.260 But this woman,

02:03:52.360 now you've got to come out.

02:03:53.540 You can't let them control the narrative like that.

02:03:55.080 It's political and it's,

02:03:56.020 and it's,

02:03:56.420 and it's financial,

02:03:57.240 right?

02:03:57.340 These companies want to make money.

02:03:58.840 They want to get clicks.

02:03:59.980 They're not interested in what the truth is.

02:04:01.560 They're interested in how they can spin things to benefit themselves and,

02:04:04.260 and generate traffic from it.

02:04:05.740 Yeah.

02:04:06.260 Yeah.

02:04:06.600 I think you're right.

02:04:07.700 That's,

02:04:08.060 I mean,

02:04:09.120 that's the media.

02:04:09.700 I think the other thing is overarching.

02:04:11.740 Like we need to be a culture that believes families are important.

02:04:14.900 And that if you father a child,

02:04:16.660 if you're a mom,

02:04:17.180 who's going to have a baby,

02:04:17.880 like that child has to become a priority and be important.

02:04:20.620 And maybe in your case,

02:04:21.740 like it's not possible to have like a traditional stable family.

02:04:25.000 On the other hand,

02:04:25.820 like it has to be about giving children the best start that we can by providing them love and support.

02:04:31.220 I think that's the thing that bothers me the most about American culture right now,

02:04:34.820 which is like,

02:04:35.140 we treat children like they are kind of weird burdens or obstacles.

02:04:38.320 I mean,

02:04:38.700 that's really what bothered me a lot about the fact that the Biden family wouldn't acknowledge Navy at all.

02:04:43.800 Like I get maybe your circumstances don't allow for you guys to like get married and raise her together,

02:04:48.200 but it doesn't mean that she should suffer and be treated like this weird black sheep,

02:04:52.700 especially if he told you that's how he felt his entire life.

02:04:55.480 Why would he then inflict that on a child?

02:04:57.040 Well,

02:04:57.240 you know,

02:04:57.480 and also like he,

02:04:58.540 he had said that like,

02:04:59.660 um,

02:05:00.420 the whole situation with his mom was like,

02:05:02.620 you know,

02:05:02.820 he,

02:05:02.960 he,

02:05:03.280 he even claimed,

02:05:04.540 you know,

02:05:04.660 to me many times he thought he had mommy issues because of that whole tragedy.

02:05:08.740 So like,

02:05:09.380 well,

02:05:09.480 you're ear spiked.

02:05:10.080 You just wait.

02:05:10.420 I'm saying he does.

02:05:11.360 I think he has mom issues,

02:05:12.580 obviously.

02:05:13.120 But,

02:05:13.400 um,

02:05:13.820 you know,

02:05:14.140 like the whole,

02:05:15.180 it's,

02:05:15.540 it's like,

02:05:16.000 you know,

02:05:16.180 being born without a limb type thing.

02:05:17.960 well,

02:05:18.580 why would you do that to your daughter and not be present in her life and do that to her?

02:05:21.900 And you're still alive.

02:05:23.080 Like you're able to.

02:05:24.720 Yeah.

02:05:24.980 His mom has gone,

02:05:25.840 not of her own tribe.

02:05:27.000 So why choose that?

02:05:28.460 Yeah.

02:05:28.760 So,

02:05:29.080 I mean,

02:05:29.300 here's an important one we didn't really get into.

02:05:30.840 I mean,

02:05:30.920 are you concerned about Hunter going to prison?

02:05:35.380 Well,

02:05:35.700 yeah,

02:05:36.080 I mean,

02:05:37.040 but it wouldn't change your day to day.

02:05:38.420 I mean,

02:05:38.540 he's right.

02:05:39.500 Right.

02:05:39.920 But like,

02:05:40.400 no,

02:05:40.500 but like,

02:05:40.800 let's,

02:05:41.160 there's child support could get cut off.

02:05:43.660 And,

02:05:44.380 uh,

02:05:44.780 and if he gets convicted on the tax issue,

02:05:47.060 this could,

02:05:47.820 disrupt the,

02:05:49.120 the ability to actually have,

02:05:50.860 uh,

02:05:51.980 you know,

02:05:52.240 Hunter in the life of your child and also the,

02:05:54.680 the,

02:05:54.980 his monetary obligations.

02:05:56.440 Right.

02:05:56.880 And so like,

02:05:58.720 to me,

02:05:59.500 I think my main concern is,

02:06:00.760 you know,

02:06:00.860 I don't want to have to sit my child down and tell her that,

02:06:03.760 you know,

02:06:04.000 her father's going to prison and,

02:06:06.120 and,

02:06:06.380 you know,

02:06:06.500 won't be able to talk to her for a really long time or however that goes.

02:06:09.280 I don't know how,

02:06:09.780 I don't know how I'd play out,

02:06:10.700 but I mean,

02:06:12.060 for my daughter's sake,

02:06:12.900 I wouldn't,

02:06:13.860 but.

02:06:14.940 You think he should be pardoned by,

02:06:16.760 uh,

02:06:16.960 he's dead.

02:06:18.340 Well,

02:06:18.560 I mean,

02:06:19.480 I don't know.

02:06:20.760 You have to think about it,

02:06:21.420 you know,

02:06:21.660 accountability.

02:06:22.920 I'm big on that,

02:06:23.740 you know?

02:06:24.340 Uh,

02:06:25.260 but also like how many people have,

02:06:26.740 have been charged with the same like gun charges that he has?

02:06:29.740 Like,

02:06:29.780 it's rare.

02:06:30.760 Yeah.

02:06:31.120 And that's.

02:06:32.820 Yeah.

02:06:33.620 Yeah.

02:06:33.800 I think if you put,

02:06:34.460 I think,

02:06:34.780 I think Hunter should be pardoned on both.

02:06:37.160 It's tough because the political.

02:06:38.420 The tax and the gun.

02:06:39.600 Yeah.

02:06:40.060 The,

02:06:40.300 the political element is that,

02:06:41.800 you know,

02:06:43.080 the way they're going after people like Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon,

02:06:47.460 nah,

02:06:47.800 Hunter Biden could go to prison same as everybody else.

02:06:49.680 But I think in terms of precedent,

02:06:52.140 what actually would be,

02:06:52.960 would be,

02:06:53.280 would be very beneficial is for both of those cases in which he's being charged

02:06:56.640 to actually be appealed to the Supreme court and then overturned at the court

02:06:59.940 level to set precedent because he's being charged with,

02:07:02.840 with self-incrimination.

02:07:04.280 He's being charged because he lied on this,

02:07:06.240 uh,

02:07:06.900 this,

02:07:07.500 the federal background check form that he wasn't a user of an illicit

02:07:10.420 substance when he actually was.

02:07:13.000 And that violates the fifth amendment against self-incrimination to the

02:07:16.220 government.

02:07:16.460 So I actually don't think he should be charged for that.

02:07:19.060 I don't like the idea of someone using heavy drugs and being aren't like

02:07:22.320 having a gun,

02:07:23.360 but I suppose the issue is,

02:07:24.420 you know,

02:07:24.980 the use of the gun with and the drugs at the same time.

02:07:27.700 And then for the tax issue,

02:07:29.180 it,

02:07:30.160 it,

02:07:30.580 it,

02:07:30.880 it really is granular.

02:07:32.100 They bring all of these different elements together to,

02:07:34.180 to make it become a crime.

02:07:35.180 Like he was pulling profits without paying his taxes.

02:07:37.880 He owed taxes and didn't pay them.

02:07:39.600 Each of those things on their own is you get a letter from the IRS saying,

02:07:43.360 pay us the money you owe us,

02:07:44.300 but they already did that.

02:07:45.800 And then he still didn't pay.

02:07:46.800 So they're coming after him.

02:07:47.660 I think there'd be good precedent to be set on tech.

02:07:51.120 Our tax system is broken and complicated,

02:07:53.340 confusing and,

02:07:54.260 and,

02:07:54.600 uh,

02:07:54.980 the idea that one person forgetting to pay their taxes can be charged as a

02:08:00.020 crime.

02:08:00.280 And the other person can be charged,

02:08:01.680 can be just treated as a whoops,

02:08:03.140 you now you owe us a fine.

02:08:04.120 I don't like the discretion that the IRS can just have to make the

02:08:06.920 accusation against you.

02:08:08.080 So,

02:08:08.480 uh,

02:08:09.080 just in those regards from a bigger picture thing,

02:08:12.220 a pardoning,

02:08:12.980 probably not,

02:08:13.720 you know,

02:08:14.460 there's an element of like,

02:08:15.300 it's your dad,

02:08:15.740 you know,

02:08:15.840 get your kid out of jail,

02:08:16.460 but I would love to see his,

02:08:18.100 those,

02:08:18.340 those charges challenged at Supreme court and then overturned on

02:08:21.200 constitutional grounds.

02:08:22.860 Yeah.

02:08:22.880 I don't think they should restrict you from getting a gun.

02:08:25.340 Even if you do crack,

02:08:26.360 I know that sounds crazy,

02:08:27.440 but I mean,

02:08:28.340 the second,

02:08:28.680 I just don't rights have guns.

02:08:30.180 I mean,

02:08:30.460 we should be able to have it.

02:08:31.540 Yeah.

02:08:31.900 Someone,

02:08:32.260 someone made this argument.

02:08:32.920 I actually think it's a good one.

02:08:34.260 Cause I said,

02:08:34.960 I don't think you should be able to like,

02:08:36.980 if you're a crack user,

02:08:38.640 but when you buy a gun,

02:08:39.760 you're not doing crack at the time.

02:08:41.560 And when you're carrying the gun,

02:08:42.560 you're not doing the crack.

02:08:43.180 I'm like,

02:08:43.380 as long as you're not under the influence while wielding a gun,

02:08:45.680 but someone made the argument,

02:08:46.900 it should only be if you use the gun illegally while on crack,

02:08:50.520 it's an exacerbated charge.

02:08:52.280 And I'm like,

02:08:52.640 actually,

02:08:52.980 I kind of agree with that.

02:08:54.000 Yeah.

02:08:54.080 That seems like it makes more sense.

02:08:55.800 Yeah.

02:08:56.000 Drugs are bad.

02:08:57.180 Um,

02:08:57.900 I'm fine with drugs being illegal,

02:08:59.420 especially crack.

02:09:00.020 I'm fine with someone doing it,

02:09:01.600 getting charged.

02:09:02.320 I think someone like Hunter and many of these people who are suffering from

02:09:05.380 addiction need mental health,

02:09:07.600 uh,

02:09:07.860 help and putting them in jail doesn't do anything.

02:09:10.960 So I don't know if that solves it,

02:09:12.380 but yeah,

02:09:13.340 I kind of,

02:09:13.720 I kind of agree with that.

02:09:14.380 I want to see him.

02:09:14.920 I want to see him beat these charges.

02:09:16.820 Mostly the gun one,

02:09:17.740 the tax one's more complicated,

02:09:19.120 but the gun one he should be for sure.

02:09:20.600 I just don't want to see Joe Biden win this presidency.

02:09:22.940 And I know that we talked about it earlier.

02:09:26.000 I hope I'm not telling on you,

02:09:27.460 but I think that you probably do want Joe Biden to win,

02:09:29.880 because you know,

02:09:30.700 it is the grandfather of your daughter.

02:09:32.380 Yeah.

02:09:32.680 Well,

02:09:33.300 see,

02:09:33.720 and I think you should be proud.

02:09:35.040 I think you should.

02:09:35.640 And that's the thing you shouldn't be afraid to say,

02:09:37.000 I want Joe Biden to win.

02:09:38.160 That's the grandfather to my daughter.

02:09:40.000 Like,

02:09:40.220 I don't know.

02:09:40.600 You should be proud to say that.

02:09:42.140 Yeah.

02:09:42.500 Well,

02:09:44.140 yeah.

02:09:44.460 And that puts me in a tough spot because it's like,

02:09:46.760 you know,

02:09:47.060 you're also almost endorsing your daughter's unacknowledgement publicly.

02:09:52.240 Yeah,

02:09:52.340 but you've been in a lot of tough spots.

02:09:53.900 It puts you in a tough spot.

02:09:55.440 You've been in a lot of tough spots.

02:09:56.780 You gotta be tough.

02:09:57.580 I stay in the hot seat.

02:10:00.060 But it doesn't seem like you like Joe Biden for his policies.

02:10:03.180 It seems like,

02:10:04.040 you know,

02:10:04.560 because you have this connection to his family,

02:10:06.860 you want to be supportive and respectful.

02:10:08.540 And like,

02:10:08.840 potentially,

02:10:09.700 you know,

02:10:10.080 if he's an eight year president,

02:10:11.900 there could be benefits to your daughter,

02:10:13.500 but it doesn't sound like you're like,

02:10:15.000 it doesn't sound like you're that interested in politics generally.

02:10:17.100 Yeah.

02:10:17.520 I'm specifically supportive of like the,

02:10:19.080 the job he's done as president.

02:10:21.060 Yeah.

02:10:21.400 I,

02:10:21.720 I'm not real into politics.

02:10:24.220 I can't tell you a whole lot about him.

02:10:25.700 Like y'all can sit here and go back and forth.

02:10:27.280 And I'm just kind of trying to catch on.

02:10:28.980 Cause there's a lot that,

02:10:29.860 you know,

02:10:30.040 I don't know.

02:10:30.600 And I,

02:10:30.820 and you know,

02:10:31.520 I should probably get more involved,

02:10:32.980 but like,

02:10:34.240 that's part of,

02:10:35.400 you know,

02:10:36.220 my daughter walking around the house,

02:10:37.500 we can't have the news on,

02:10:38.860 you know,

02:10:39.140 we can't,

02:10:39.540 I can't stay in tune with the news as much as like I used to.

02:10:42.940 And,

02:10:43.300 and that's been like heavy,

02:10:45.300 like the last like three years,

02:10:46.600 especially with her knowing who her dad and stuff is,

02:10:48.460 you have to be careful,

02:10:49.140 like of,

02:10:50.020 of what you watch.

02:10:50.700 Cause like,

02:10:51.700 I mean,

02:10:51.960 we'll be like in the nail salon one time and she's like,

02:10:54.840 mom,

02:10:55.180 look,

02:10:55.360 is that my grandfather?

02:10:56.500 And I'm like,

02:10:57.220 first of all,

02:10:57.820 lower your voice.

02:10:59.480 Yeah.

02:11:00.600 So while we're,

02:11:01.400 we're about to wrap things up,

02:11:02.340 is there any,

02:11:02.740 any final thoughts you have,

02:11:03.880 anything you want to shout out?

02:11:04.640 Obviously you have the book.

02:11:05.900 Yeah.

02:11:06.140 So the book comes out August 20th.

02:11:07.940 It will be the week before Navy's birthday.

02:11:10.540 So,

02:11:11.000 you know,

02:11:11.260 I don't know what better gift I can give my daughter than her mother's story

02:11:14.160 this year.

02:11:15.040 Right on.

02:11:15.500 Do you have a social media or anything like that?

02:11:16.940 Yeah.

02:11:17.400 I'm on Instagram at London town.

02:11:20.020 And the book is called out of the shadows,

02:11:22.660 my life inside the wild world of Hunter Biden.

02:11:25.720 Wait,

02:11:25.940 I have to,

02:11:26.220 I have to say one last thing out of the shadows.

02:11:27.860 That's not every book's called out of the shadows.

02:11:30.100 You had to,

02:11:30.640 I mean,

02:11:31.180 why did you pick that title?

02:11:32.540 Isn't that,

02:11:32.900 it's not that original.

02:11:34.980 Yes.

02:11:35.520 Is it?

02:11:36.000 I mean,

02:11:36.240 I mean,

02:11:36.540 let's say out of the shadows.

02:11:38.300 I feel like I've heard that story a million times.

02:11:40.140 You haven't heard this one.

02:11:41.260 No,

02:11:41.360 I haven't heard the story,

02:11:42.460 but the title named it,

02:11:43.500 not dating material.

02:11:44.540 I mean,

02:11:45.360 out of the shadows wanted me to name it like my recollection or something like to go along.

02:11:51.240 But it was just honestly,

02:11:53.260 like what people don't see is like the real me,

02:11:58.120 like in the shadows.

02:11:58.940 Like I've,

02:11:59.800 I've stayed in these shadows for so long.

02:12:01.680 I've not spoke and told my story and like coming out of the shadows and now like telling my story and,

02:12:07.340 and having one,

02:12:08.820 like having to get on like talk shows and stuff like that,

02:12:12.320 my anxiety like skyrockets.

02:12:15.040 Like I get,

02:12:15.980 it's hard for me to come out of the shadows.

02:12:17.960 So this is like also like me embracing it and coming out of the shadows.

02:12:22.080 That's why it's called out of the shadows.

02:12:23.500 Cause it's like,

02:12:24.760 it's a lot.

02:12:25.540 People think that this is like something that I might enjoy,

02:12:28.520 like I'm talking on like these like conservative newscasts and stuff where they're asking me these questions.

02:12:35.100 And you always get scared that you're just like going to say the wrong thing or maybe the right thing.

02:12:39.760 Who knows?

02:12:40.260 But it's,

02:12:41.800 it's nerve wracking.

02:12:42.780 I would have named it.

02:12:43.580 This is what happens when you smoke crack with a president's son.

02:12:47.260 I think that's too long.

02:12:48.320 Yeah,

02:12:48.720 I'm not good at titling.

02:12:50.400 Maybe.

02:12:50.580 Or just smoking crack with the president's son.

02:12:52.660 Yeah.

02:12:53.340 Alex,

02:12:53.820 shout something out.

02:12:54.400 What do you got?

02:12:54.720 Pimp on a Blamp,

02:12:55.520 primetime,

02:12:56.080 Alex Stein,

02:12:56.740 go to cashbrew.com and get some of that primetime two time grind coffee that will keep you awake because it's double caffeinated.

02:13:03.520 It's been so fun having here.

02:13:04.800 It's an interesting Friday morning for sure.

02:13:06.960 I'm Hannah Claire Brimel.

02:13:07.640 I'm a writer for scnr.com at Scanner News.

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02:13:12.300 I'm on Twitter at HannahClaireB and I'm on Instagram at HannahClaire.B.

02:13:16.180 Bye, Kellen.

02:13:17.220 See you guys.

02:13:18.080 Bye, Hannah and Claire.

02:13:19.340 Tune in next week.

02:13:20.180 We're going to have another fun episode.

02:13:21.540 Yes,

02:13:22.040 we'll be back next Friday with a wild episode.

02:13:24.760 Alex will be joining us again.

02:13:25.680 This one's going to be really wild because I don't even know what's going on.

02:13:28.840 It's going to be even wilder than this one.

02:13:30.660 Yeah.

02:13:31.020 That's your only problem.

02:13:31.940 You need to start bashing Hunter a little bit.

02:13:35.280 You need to throw him under the bus.

02:13:37.140 That's my only complaint.

02:13:37.820 There are times in the book that you might think that I do bash him a little harder than,

02:13:42.900 but it was rightfully so.

02:13:44.220 We didn't get a preview of it today, though.

02:13:45.680 All right.

02:13:46.360 All right, everybody.

02:13:47.120 We're back tonight at 8 p.m. over at YouTube.com slash TimCastIRL.

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02:13:54.500 So it's going to be wild.

02:13:56.260 The Supreme Court has just sided with J6.

02:13:58.620 They've struck down the Chevron precedent.

02:14:00.480 A lot of huge stories.

02:14:02.120 We'll see you all tonight.

02:14:02.820 Thanks for hanging out.

02:14:04.800 Thank you.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - June 28, 2024

The Culture War #70 The Secret Life Of The Bidens w⧸Lunden Roberts & Alex Stein

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