In this episode, we discuss Project 2025 and why it has become such a big talking point for Democrats. We're joined by Director of Project 2025, Paul Dance, and Director of Strategy and Strategy, Luke Ball, to discuss what Project 2025 is, why it's important, and how it can help change the country. We also discuss why we should get a water buffalo dispenser in our bathrooms, and why we shouldn't have to pay for it. Thanks for tuning in to SCRATCHY! Betonline Ontario is a new online gambling company based in Toronto, Canada. They offer a wide array of high-speed, high-stakes mobile gaming services, including a mobile gaming app that allows you to earn up to 20% off your first purchase when you download the BetOnline Ontario app. BetOnline is a leading player in the mobile gaming industry, with over $100 million in annual revenue, and the first-ever mobile gaming company in North America to offer mobile gaming in the $100,000+ market. Betonline has the fastest-growing mobile gaming platform in the entire Fortune 500, and is the first company to offer on-demand mobile gaming, as well as the first mobile gaming device company in the world to offer full-service mobile gaming and cloud-based gaming, including 3-in-one virtual reality and augmented reality, in addition to a mobile virtual reality headset, the Oculus headset, and a mobile VR headset, in partnership with Oculus Connect and Oculus Touch. . Learn more about your ad choices, including the best-selling virtual reality game and VR headset. and other virtual reality experiences. of the 21st century tools, including smart watches, and smart watches and smart earphones, in the first episode of the new season of the show, Project 2025. , hosted by Hannah Clare Brimmel and Luke Ball and Hannah Clare, from Project 2025 of Scandalous. We hope you'll join us to learn more about Project 2025's impact on the future of the Democratic Party and what's to come in the 2020 election cycle. Join us on Project 2025! and much more! - Hannah Clare & Luke Ball Hannah Clare Clare Clare Tim Burt Schulte and the crew at SCNR Paul Dance Thanks to our sponsor, SCNR. Tim & the crew - Tim and the Crew at the Water Buffalo Cheers,
00:05:02.820It's a blueprint for a radical far-right takeover of everything in the U.S. government that, among many other scary things, proposes that Trump take direct presidential control of the entire federal bureaucracy, including independent agencies such as the Department of Justice.
00:05:20.500Trump's just going to fill all these positions with his cronies.
00:06:15.820Project 2025 is an obvious and chilling blueprint for a Christo-fascist future.
00:06:21.480And Trump knows that that is toxic to voters.
00:06:24.900So he has denied any knowledge or any connection to it.
00:06:28.820But no matter how hard Trump tries to distance himself, he can't change the fact that it's run by more than 200 former officials of the Trump administration.
00:06:37.360And that the GOP platform has been crafted and influenced by individuals with deep ties to Project 2025.
00:06:45.280So is it true that Project 2025 wants the president to hire and fire people?
00:06:51.560Well, you know, we want to make sure the president's under his constitutional duties.
00:06:56.920And that certainly is a duty that's been taken away from him over the years.
00:07:01.700You know, here's the thing with Project 2025.
00:07:03.620This is now the subject of one of the greatest hoaxes of all time.
00:07:07.760Our friends on the left moved from hoax to hoax.
00:07:10.380And, you know, whether it was Russiagate or then into the vaccines and COVID, you know, Ukraine, whatever is the next thing.
00:07:19.900Certainly, President Trump's been the, you know, the target of every hoax.
00:07:24.740But here with Project 2025, a lot of what people say is not actually in Project 2025.
00:07:29.880But to be clear, it really is wanting the president to be back in charge with respect to the executive branch.
00:08:45.180This is not a quote from Project 2025.
00:08:46.480It's a quote from KTVB seven to which it says an army of loyal conservatives.
00:08:52.060And then Colbert changes it to MAGA loyalists.
00:08:56.560So they they're they're they're creating this runaway.
00:09:02.120It's the purple monkey dishwasher from The Simpsons.
00:09:04.000For those that are familiar, I think it was purple monkey dishwasher where the joke is the game of telephone.
00:09:10.040Bart says to one person, Skinner wants to fire the teachers or whatever.
00:09:14.680And then they all whisper into his ear and then eventually makes to the top and they say he's going to fire us purple monkey dishwasher.
00:09:19.800What basically saying that as the game travels down the line, the idea of whatever it is radically transforms.
00:09:26.440Well, this whole concept, too, is what happens every day in Washington with respect to communications, because working on the Hill, we dealt with that every day.
00:09:33.180It was one thing and it was a word thesaurus all the way through the media and back to us.
00:10:06.180Trump's going to say something like, we're going to hire good people, good people, only the best.
00:10:10.160And then you're going to get some think tank, maybe Project 2025, to say something like, it's imperative that we hire, you know, strong, good moral people to run these jobs.
00:10:18.500Then the media is going to say they're talking about their morals and what they think is right because these are traditional conservatives.
00:10:24.080Then another outlet picks it up and says they're talking about hiring traditional conservatives.
00:10:29.280Then the media goes back to Donald Trump and he says, no, no, we just want to hire good people.
00:10:33.140And then they write Donald Trump backtracks from hiring MAGA loyalists for government positions.
00:10:39.000Yeah, no, it's a very sophisticated group against us.
00:10:41.760I mean, to understand the kind of this hoax being run by Mark Elias, I mean, it's flattering in a sense to be the next target of the Democrat hoax.
00:10:51.280But these are sophisticated people who deal with rhetoric.
00:10:55.600The more important thing to remember, though, is that to get government back on track, people like the listeners in this, you know, to this program have to get involved in government.
00:11:07.060And that's essentially what Project 2025 is.
00:11:10.120It's a recruiting tool to say this government's yours as much as anyone else's.
00:11:14.980You can't expect things to change if you don't make a commitment to serving yourself.
00:11:20.440And so maybe you're not the person to do it, but you know someone.
00:11:24.520And what we're doing is really demystifying the process to get to Washington.
00:11:29.180So, you know, it's based on my, you know, a little bit of my own personal experience as always an outsider trying to get to Washington.
00:11:37.280But more, you know, it's a call for conservatives, libertarians.
00:11:41.840People just don't accept the status quo and think we can do better to get into government.
00:11:47.080And that's what we're showing people how to do.
00:11:48.920So how did you get involved with Project 2025?
00:11:51.900Yeah, I mean, we can start at the beginning.
00:11:54.140But, you know, I grew up in a family of we were the first ones to speak English.
00:12:00.140My siblings and I, my parents were the American dream.
00:12:03.280They, you know, my dad grew up in a cold water flat there in New York City.
00:12:07.600That means they didn't have hot running water and, you know, made it.
00:12:12.660I moved my family, you know, out of the housing projects after I graduated college.
00:12:17.580I went on to become a lawyer and always interested in the country.
00:12:21.740But, you know, with politics and when you get that student debt going, you kind of have a limited path.
00:12:27.720I went up to New York City and and was a litigator, a trial attorney for many years.
00:12:34.020Getting into Project 2025 was part of my process of how I could come serve.
00:12:41.560As I said, my family grew up in New York City, my dad's side.
00:12:45.440And getting to know Trump and really seeing the way the city turned around with Rudy and the rest in the early 90s, you could tell this was a movement.
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00:13:56.540When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops.
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00:14:23.360Even all the work that I'd done was impossible to break through.
00:14:29.480So when I finally got into the admin, I realized, you know, that even the small group of people the president appoints weren't really on the same page.
00:14:38.500Some people would come with their own agendas.
00:14:40.240And, you know, the president deserves to have people ready to move out and still, you know, put in place this agenda.
00:14:49.440And that's really what the promise of this is, to train our side.
00:14:53.780We, you know, the federal government right now is 2.2 million full-time workers, right?
00:14:58.960The president appoints a sliver, 4,000.
00:15:46.440So the typical federal worker, you know, votes on the order of 95% for the Democrat Party.
00:15:53.500Those are where the political contributions come from, too.
00:15:56.760So you're going into a building where people are already ideologically opposed to your agenda, and how do you manage that?
00:16:03.340And that's really what we're working with to try to basically say, you know, this whole system, this whole progressive architecture, this whole matrix was built for the express reason of taking government and power out of the hands of the people and putting it in a group of experts, so-called experts.
00:16:21.380So I'm looking at the Project 2025, debunking the lies, and I have to say I'm kind of disappointed in some respects.
00:16:30.080The obvious thing is there are some things that I think are problems, and perhaps I'm half kidding, right?
00:16:36.000But ending no-fault divorce, no-fault divorce is a huge catastrophe for this country.
00:16:40.200The idea that marriage has become dating and signifies nothing and guarantees nothing has made it so people don't want to get married.
00:16:47.500This idea that two people get married after a couple years, it's like, okay, and now it's over, no ifs, ands, or buts, no reconciliation, and half your stuff is split up.
00:16:56.700Why would anyone want to engage in something like that?
00:16:58.820But more to the point, before we get into all the things that I think don't go far enough, and that's just me personally,
00:17:05.680I'm wondering, with all of these things you've had to debunk, clearly it's because the media's been lying about it, Democrats have been lying about it,
00:17:12.100can't you sue them for defamation, for making false statements of fact?
00:17:16.240Well, you know, to back up, the number one lie that they tell is that this is Trump's Project 2025.
00:17:22.420Okay, so we stood this up three years ago, really, well, 2022 in April, and it was, you know, it was a coming together of the conservative movement.
00:17:32.260That was where people on the sidelines who were saying, hey, you know, we have to at least get in place a mechanism to get good people to Washington.
00:17:42.200And then I worked with others to kind of systematically make a plan for this.
00:17:48.240You know, so that's the number one thing.
00:17:50.200Over time, you know, this is both a policy recommendations, you know, kind of a wish list, even the president.
00:17:56.080When I say the president, I'm talking about Trump, you know, mentioned the other day that this was kind of a dream, a dreamscape.
00:18:03.640But these were, you know, Heritage has done this for 40, 50 years now, putting out a mandate for leadership.
00:18:19.980So the fact that people are now discovering a mandate for leadership is kind of funny.
00:18:25.180But, you know, as with respect to how people characterize it, you know, we don't outlaw lying in the political process or there would be no political process.
00:18:34.780You know, the reality is that they're going to mischaracterize things.
00:18:38.620What they've done in it with Project 2025 is full on misinformation.
00:18:43.460That's where your listenership really are the people who are kind of unplugged from the matrix and are getting it.
00:18:52.140But, you know, as far as like suing, there's certainly probably actions that maybe Heritage and others will take.
00:19:00.940And what they've done very cleverly is append things that are not part of this, say they're part of it, or just flat out say something's in it and it's not.
00:19:10.680Like, for example, this whole Social Security rant, right?
00:19:14.780We don't even have a chapter on Social Security.
00:19:37.240Momala Kamala says you can't, it's bad for you.
00:19:38.840No, I also heard that everyone has to be home by 10 o'clock on a school night.
00:19:42.780No, I think this is touching on a lot of really interesting things.
00:19:46.240Number one, one of the big criticisms of the Trump administration from the last time was that he didn't staff as well as he could have.
00:19:52.540That there was conflicting and maybe tension within the White House.
00:19:55.540And, you know, I don't know, you know, everyone has their own opinion on this.
00:19:59.420But I think the idea that you would be like essentially starting a new administration, it makes sense that you would want to go in saying like, OK, well, what do we want to fill?
00:21:27.780You know, our system of justice is is the bedrock of this whole equal justice under the law.
00:21:33.340And in real time, the fact that they're willing to discard that to get beyond a person is really telling.
00:21:41.420But, you know, as far as, you know, how did we get to a point where the, you know, the former president was targeted assassination attempt?
00:21:48.780I think it shows kind of the desperateness of the left.
00:21:53.140And, you know, with with respect to Project 2025, it's really more projection 2025.
00:23:37.480There's a lot of these things I agree with in terms of they're lying about what you're advocating for, like who's advocating for getting rid of checks and balances.
00:23:44.420Now, now I'll ask you some questions here.
00:23:45.840Banning African-American and gender studies in all level of education.
00:23:49.980I certainly think the lie that Project 2025 or that anybody supporting Trump would call for the banning of all of these things at all level is extreme.
00:23:58.680However, I do think that we should not have racialized and sexualized education for minors in lower, younger educational levels.
00:24:08.940So I'm curious what your thoughts are on that one.
00:24:11.200Well, personally, I'm 100 percent with you.
00:24:14.080You know, the best way to figure out what's in Project 2025 is read the book.
00:24:18.980You know, again, the book is was a menu driven suggestions to the next president.
00:24:25.640President Trump has come forward with his agenda.
00:24:27.860That's the only thing that really matters, the agenda 47.
00:24:31.860But, you know, for for to the extent you're interested, the books online, Project 2025 dot org.
00:24:37.080And we are unapologetic about rooting out kind of the CRT root and branch from the federal government.
00:24:44.460This is a very pernicious, you know, theory that is actually been info and infused all over the federal government and the contracting class.
00:24:57.640Not only is there two point two million federal full time workers, there's a number of maybe 18 up to 15 or 18 million federal contractors.
00:25:07.100And their their control through through government grants and contracts, those those CRT and the various DEI mechanisms are are pumped in and made obligatory on various government contracting entities, which, you know, number in the millions of people.
00:25:29.280So, yeah, going over it, I would say, you know, we're aligned with Project 47, rather, Agenda 47 speaks to this directly.
00:25:37.100But we are very, very much, you know, declaring an end to one thing I find worrying.
00:25:44.120It says eliminate federal agencies like the FDA, EPA, NOAA and more false.
00:25:48.860And my concern is, well, I'm not as 100 percent on the elimination of those agencies as many others.
00:25:55.060My concern is you wouldn't be in favor of eliminating, say, like the FBI or the ATF or some of these other agencies.
00:26:02.200What I mean to say is I don't I don't think Project 2025 goes as far as many on the right would actually wish it would in certain areas.
00:26:08.440Right. So there's a bunch of people, most the libertarians, the Mises Caucus guys and a lot of Republicans would be like, well, we want those agencies eliminated.
00:26:17.620There's too much government. Why are they in control of these things?
00:26:20.960But you you write on the site, it's actually not even in your your mandates in fact in the mandate.
00:26:26.960In fact, it says NOAA would just transfer functions to other agencies, the private sector, states and territories.
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00:30:30.060Those are the various interest groups, the big money, big everything, you know, big law firms, but also the media cartel.
00:30:38.720And so the first step in this process is awakening everyone and saying, look, this isn't even constitutionally ordained.
00:30:46.860This was built by progressives who really ultimately think the government should be run by a small cadre of people who are smarter than the rest of us.
00:30:56.580And, you know, that leaves out the wisdom of the common man and all that's come before him or her.
00:31:04.260And this is really the promise for Project 2025.
00:31:07.180So how do you get into this massive reformation of getting government back on track?
00:31:12.660It all starts with a recognition that things have to be accountable.
00:31:25.920So is that that you want to elaborate on shutting down the Department of Education?
00:31:29.600Yeah, again, this these are advocates.
00:31:31.920We had 400 people come together in the book.
00:31:34.260I myself am not an expert on the education, but certainly the irony of the Department of Education is that when it was stood up in 1977, the first mandate for leadership that came out in 1980 called for the abolition of it.
00:31:49.140So this is kind of a process over the last 50 years where even people on the on the on the right have allowed it to grow.
00:31:58.420Education should be fundamentally local.
00:32:01.040It should be fundamentally up to the parent.
00:32:03.640And and that is really a great tension with the left there.
00:32:09.020You know that the educators and they and they really think of the kids as their own.
00:32:14.580Um, so, you know, the it takes a village crowd as a father for, you know, I went to public schools K through 12.
00:32:22.380I went on to MIT graduate and undergraduate and, you know, public schools were great for me.
00:32:29.740Um, and the fact that they can't be great for my kids really upsets us that we have to deprogram our kids from eating bugs or whatever, um, nonsense are being piped in.
00:32:56.260And I also agree with what it says here.
00:32:57.980Basically, uh, or literally Americans are able to use taxpayer money to choose where they shop for groceries, attain housing, obtain higher education.
00:33:05.180Religious schools often outperform public schools and families should have the choice to send their children to these schools.
00:33:09.140Yeah, if you can get welfare benefits, EBT benefits, and you're allowed to go buy candy bars with it, and you are, then certainly if you're getting school funding for your child, you should be able to choose if you want to go to a religious or non-religious school.
00:33:22.300But here's the challenge ultimately that I see.
00:33:24.320It says, teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools.
00:33:48.060What they end up teaching children is this very, I guess, granular, rudimentary understanding of here's how, you know, social studies class, and you're a little kid, and here's how the government works, here's how the courts work, here's a legislative branch.
00:34:02.380And what they exclude from this is that, along with every other system of governance around the world, their belief system and their moral structures are rooted in their faith system.
00:34:12.320And so you can see this in the dominant religions of the area and then how they react, things that they believe.
00:34:18.420You'll notice, most people notice, we have a Fourth Amendment.
00:34:23.220We have this presumption of innocence, and it's something that I like to bring up because I think it's the easiest example of the Christian moral tradition in American legal framework, and that is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:34:35.180If there's but one righteous person, you know, God will not destroy this town, is the fundamental basis for if it is better that 100 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.
00:34:45.360Blackstone's formulation, of course, was 10.
00:34:48.380And that is the underpinning of why we have the Bill of Rights, the constitutional protections in law, that we are going to put the burden on the government and the prosecutors in the state to prove you did something wrong.
00:34:58.560Now, in public schools, they'll tell you that.
00:35:00.620They'll say, we think that it's better.
00:35:04.420Or they'll tell you the government must have the burden of proof is on the government, not you as an individual.
00:35:09.740And if you were as a young child to ask why, they can't tell you.
00:35:14.760They don't know, or they would have to say, well, it's in the Bible.
00:35:19.380Now you've got a problem in public schools because you can't teach Christianity and you've got to keep these things out of it.
00:35:23.840And I'm not saying that schools should be teaching kids to be Christian.
00:35:27.140But there is a fundamental disconnect here where a teacher is going to say, our society deems this to be right and true, that we treat criminal defendants in this way.
00:35:38.320And I'm not going to tell you why, because I'd get in trouble.
00:35:40.440Yeah. Well, we didn't get rid of religion in the classroom. We just swapped it out.
00:35:44.880There was a void that was created. Any worldview is a faith and religion, even atheists and agnostics.
00:35:52.080There is no reason on earth that if you do not believe in a revealed law or a natural law, any sort of law in society, that we should have order in the classroom.
00:36:01.420Why would it not be just dog eat dog world to claw over each other?
00:36:06.680Well, there is no standard that we're adhering back to. And that's when you start to dig away at the moral decay of our country.
00:36:14.960We're like, why are we heading in this particular direction?
00:36:17.540It is because you can justify anything that you do in a society when you have no moral foundation or law.
00:36:24.160And when you take prayer and the scriptures out of schools, you are taking law out of schools.
00:36:30.940I don't even I'm not even an advocate necessarily of putting Ten Commandments in our schools right now, because if the child looks at the Ten Commandments and asks the teacher, why are those on the wall?
00:36:40.420The teacher would have to say, well, the government said we had to put them up on the wall.
00:36:45.000They're not anything that we need to adhere to or listen to.
00:36:48.420The conundrum I see is I didn't learn this until I was in my late 20s, the origin of the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments and really all of them pertaining to individual rights, especially as it pertains to courts.
00:37:02.320And I was reading about the Bill of Rights 10 or so years ago, and they're originally 17 articles.
00:37:09.080And I said, how did we get from 17 to 10?
00:37:11.240And I'm like, why didn't why didn't my schools get into the nitty gritty of all these things?
00:37:15.700We learned at the surface level, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, the revolution, all surface level stuff.
00:37:21.760And all I was ever told was in the United States, the presumption of innocence, the burden of proof on the government, et cetera.
00:37:27.880And then I start reading it, and it's rooted in the story of Blackstone.
00:37:32.740Blackstone's formulation is it is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.
00:37:37.340The idea around this, as it originates in the Bible, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, and as it pertains to a system of governance,
00:37:44.740what they thought, people like Blackstone and the Founding Fathers, was that if a society tells its population,
00:37:51.500even if you are righteous, you will be punished, then there is no incentive to be righteous.
00:37:56.100People will simply try to hide their misdeeds and benefit themselves.
00:37:59.620But if the system of governance says, we will do everything in our power to make sure you are protected if you are innocent,
00:38:05.720then there is the incentive among the population to be righteous and to try and, you know, to do your best
00:38:14.060because you know that you're not likely to be punished for things you didn't do wrong.
00:38:18.300Now you come into schools, and the challenge we have is you have the left wanting to eliminate religion from schools.
00:38:24.500And I'm not saying schools should be telling kids to be Christian.
00:38:27.620But if now we're at this period where over the past several decades, you can't even explain the story of Sodom and Gomorrah to children
00:38:36.340so they can understand how Blackstone formulated this, or I mean, even go back to the Magna Carta and things like that,
00:38:41.580you're chopping off the root of the moral framework of our society,
00:38:46.800and I think it's not surprising in the least bit where we are today with an amoral, far leftist group of people
00:38:54.840who think there is no truth but power, and they have now begun to push a political ideology of
00:38:59.480if we can lie, cheat, and steal, then we should be able to have it.
00:39:02.700A might makes right mentality, which is predominantly the left.
00:39:05.560I have a number of thoughts, and, you know, it's very pressing what you're saying.
00:39:10.180You know, with how do you get to this point?
00:39:13.060You talked about arriving at your late 20s.
00:39:16.240You know, but you also were kind of saying, well, you were upset at school.
00:39:20.300The reality is you learned, you know, you are the captain of your ship.
00:39:24.340You are the master of your own destiny.
00:39:26.460You had to go out and procure this information.
00:39:28.600The state, we have to stop thinking about the state or the school as supplying us this.
00:39:33.080And so once you guys and the listeners went out and spent the time thinking about it,
00:39:37.880you got to, the reality is the people who came before us were really smart folks
01:01:13.200I feel like, you know, we're talking about Project 2025, which it's remarkable how it's not anywhere near where many libertarians and Trump supporters would want it to be.
01:01:26.740It's fairly moderate in a lot of areas, fairly libertarian in a lot of areas.
01:01:30.920And the media is claiming that it's like step one when Trump gets elected is force women to wear red gowns and little bonnets and then have babies like like none of this is reality.
01:03:17.320And also not acknowledging that they failed the American people.
01:03:19.700So I agree with you, like illegal immigration has been a problem in America for a long time, but it was particularly acute under the Biden administration because they took away policies installed by Trump that really tried to change the destruction of of our border security.
01:03:34.260And I think that's this weird line that Kamala Harris is now going to try and walk, which is saying, well, when you like what Biden did, I get credit for it.
01:03:42.180And when you don't like it, even though I was the borders are and all of left wing media referred to me as that, that wasn't me.
01:03:48.600In fact, that never happened and everything is fine.
01:03:50.860And I just don't see how, you know, voters don't become disenfranchised with the narrative spin from the media.
01:03:59.400But also you can't look at the media and say that they are reliable, especially when they are literally contradicting themselves, let alone when they criticize something they obviously don't like, like Project 2025.
01:04:08.440Yeah, no, well, she's already four days in and been fact checked.
01:04:12.460The whole seminal lie is that it's Trump's Fort Project 2025.
01:04:48.880I think that's a component of why they're allowing the border to remain open, because there's not enough people to sustain Social Security.
01:04:57.040I think we pulled the numbers up and you need something like what is it?
01:05:01.960You need like three to four people to sustain one Social Security recipient.
01:05:06.940And with fertility at one point eight or whatever, one point seven, we're looking at 20 years.
01:05:12.900Social Security just done, collapse completely.
01:05:16.660They're saying that by, I think, 2032, it starts to crumble by 2037 is completely insolvent and unsalvageable unless they dramatically increase taxes on younger people.
01:05:27.400But eventually that becomes impossible.
01:05:34.680And they're hoping to use them as a new tax base to fund a crumbling system.
01:05:38.780I've been when I talk to my friends about things like this and Social Security, mainly in the context of my parents relying on it, because that's their only retirement right now.
01:05:46.840And I've not begun to think about that until just recently.
01:05:50.140We're operating like it's not going to be around whenever we get old enough.
01:05:54.160We just we consider it like a tax that we're never going to see again.
01:06:27.400It has been a bandaid on an industrialization bullet wound that we have just kept kicking the can down the road.
01:06:34.140This idea that the state will take care of you when you're older is all of these things enable the destruction of the family.
01:06:40.600And the reason why family breaks up the idea that you kick your kids out when they're when they're 18.
01:06:46.000Like all of these things are products of industrialization that have been seriously damaging to humanity and to the more and to our moral frameworks, etc.
01:06:53.280Yeah, I don't agree with that at all, though.
01:06:56.020I mean, I see, you know, we are down the road right now.
01:06:59.920The people who built this country are relying on Social Security and they have every right to it.
01:07:30.740And you're right that by building this progressive bandaid to it, they were able to deconstruct it.
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01:09:36.340You guys pay for that every month when you get your credit card statement and the interest rates where it is.
01:09:42.220That's because we're spending over a trillion dollars a year just paying the debt on the debt service on this national national debt.
01:09:51.480And that's because, you know, so much of this this big fiscal stimulus has been directed towards things that are erratic.
01:10:00.560They don't produce kind of into like various green energy scams or whatever other sort of handouts to big business that they've done with with the Biden administration.
01:10:12.380So, you know, Social Security, you know, President Trump, I think, has been extremely clear on that.
01:10:18.420But let's let's look at who's really at fault with with putting that in jeopardy.
01:10:23.900Well, I think we're an addicted society.
01:10:26.120We have a drug and that drug is extracting 12.4 percent from the younger generation to fund the older generation, which has basically just ripped apart the foundational structure of family.
01:10:38.240And this this idea in the past was you wanted to have a family.
01:10:45.220It was a part of your life and there was a necessity to having family.
01:10:48.120And through the state, we have created artificial means by which we can disrupt the necessity of family to the point now where we are addicted to the government printing money and siphoning money from the younger generation into an older generation.
01:11:02.940But to a substantially greater degree than ever before than it ever needed to be.
01:11:08.140And it's not sustainable, they're going to have to increase the rate or they're going to have to flood this country with people who are going to pay this pay these bills because there's no family anymore.
01:11:20.660Because there was no reason to have kids because people were like, well, if I get older, the government will give me money and I'll give me money from somebody else making me the responsibility of somebody else.
01:11:29.080The idea that an irresponsible individual, I'm not saying Social Security recipients are all irresponsible, I'm saying the idea that we would guarantee to irresponsible people only guarantees more irresponsible people.
01:11:42.620Certainly the idea, I'm not opposed to government benefits.
01:11:45.400The idea that unemployment, like you might lose your job.
01:11:54.860I'm not completely opposed to any of that, but we're still looking at, well, what would happen if you lost your job before industrialization, before the progressive modernization?
01:12:03.900You'd go to family and you'd say, I need to stay with you in the back or whatever and I'll do work and then we'd figure things out.
01:12:11.280Now it's, I'm going to go ask the government for money so they can pay my bills.
01:12:15.320And so someone else who doesn't know me, I become a burden on all of them.
01:12:18.080What we're looking at right now is millennial generation and Gen Z paying into a system they will never get to utilize.
01:12:26.100They're going to give a portion of their money away.
01:12:28.180It's a weight on businesses who pay half of this 6.2 and the individual pays 6.2 unless you're self-employed.
01:12:33.860Now you're paying 12.4 and you're going to get nothing for it.
01:12:38.300And the issue now is politically, nobody wants to say what needs to be said.
01:12:42.340And that's, it's an unsustainable system that probably needs to be overhauled in some way.
01:12:46.580No, because the issue is older people vote and they vote more than anybody else and you'll never win an election because they do vote.
01:12:53.480Incentive, it's a perverse incentive to the destruction of our familial system and our economic system.
01:12:59.200I don't know what the solution is because certainly turning off social security would be bad for a lot of people, but it's not sustainable.
01:13:04.800Yeah, I mean part of the solution is the chickens approach, right?
01:13:08.080You got to like look at building your own family.
01:13:11.620We can go back, you know, if you're a single person and you got no plans this weekend, why don't you reach out to one of your family members?
01:14:13.000But, you know, long-term, look, nothing government does is going to be better than the private marketplace.
01:14:19.740Now, an unrestrained private marketplace can spiral out of control.
01:14:24.820And, you know, again, here, like I came from labor.
01:14:27.460I'm the only, you know, my whole family were factory workers.
01:14:30.080They went off and they fought, you know, behind enemy lines in World War II.
01:14:34.860There's a movie coming out this summer about the Murmansk run.
01:14:39.000That was my grandfather on those engine rooms in the Liberty ships.
01:14:43.600These were heroic people who came back and built the country.
01:14:47.060And they did not depend on these social welfare systems.
01:14:50.720But over time, they couldn't help when the company, the factory left.
01:14:55.260So it's going to be a graduation of how do we get back to a richer country.
01:15:02.300And when I mean richer, not just wealthier, but like more sustainable.
01:15:06.560But it's all going to be when you realize it's on you and you have to start making these steps.
01:15:12.040There has part of that is coming to work in the federal government and stop some of this direction of government.
01:15:18.540There has to be a generational mindset because I noticed with my grandparents, they saved everything.
01:15:24.900And I did not understand that until I understood they had gone through the Depression and they had seen the impact that it had on their family and their friends.
01:15:32.840And it was a survival mentality for me.
01:15:36.540You know, my family went through the 2008 recession and my dad lost his job.
01:15:41.220And I remember sitting in the parking lot of Walmart while my mom made a phone call to make sure that if we spent money purchasing a backpack for my school supplies, that we wouldn't overdraw the bank account.
01:15:59.560I don't necessarily need the money, but I'm trying to financially prepare for my family and ensure that we're never put in that position again because the government would fail over and over and over.
01:16:09.480Big banks and businesses would fail us over and over and over.
01:16:13.820You're just lumped into this collective mentality of the American people that a lot of people can siphon off of if you're the federal government or if you're big banks.
01:16:21.020And that's why it comes down to the individual.
01:16:24.920No one is going to like you get your get your chickens, get your goats, whatever the heck you have to get, because at the end of the day, you are reliant upon yourself.
01:16:32.540And if the government or the banks or the jobs or whatever fails you, it is totally up to you.
01:16:38.740I just like to if I had a time machine, I just go back into, you know, 1768 and that go to a lot of these leaders of these of the colonies.
01:16:50.020And, you know, because this is, you know, very much the revolutionary period.
01:16:53.900There's a lot of tumultuous circumstances.
01:16:59.200And I'd like to ask them, I have a pro system for you.
01:17:01.900What if half of all of your money went to the government?
01:17:09.180Then the government will give everyone who doesn't have a job is has children, but has no is not married and people of a certain age will get portions of that money.
01:17:39.000The same thing is true of Social Security and everything else.
01:17:40.880There I understand the idea of benefits in an emergency, but the benefits themselves will create the circumstance by which the crisis could exist.
01:17:49.860And then the system will eventually implode on itself.
01:17:55.500Well, I'll start with Election Day, any election system that requires you to vote on a day where you have to work will favor the unemployed.
01:18:03.680The unemployed are going to vote to take your money because that's just a that's a mathematical pressure.
01:18:09.240It doesn't matter if they're good, bad people.
01:18:11.380It doesn't matter if they're entitled or not.
01:18:13.100It means that they're unemployed and they're in need of food and they're going to do whatever they have to do to get it.
01:18:17.540And I respect a human trying to survive.
01:19:02.240Now, it's fascinating to me when I look at Pizza Hut today versus Pizza Hut 20 years ago, Pizza Hut today.
01:19:08.500And again, shut up to Jack Posobiec, who really exemplified this in a very simple explanation, analogy.
01:19:13.700Pizza Hut's have become sterile, 200 square foot strip mall stores to walk and pick up a pizza and walk out when they used to be sit down restaurants with salad bars.
01:19:25.720Because the restaurant said, who's our customer, families, there are no families anymore.
01:19:31.560So now who's our customer, 20 year old unemployed on welfare who is going to order a pizza on Friday or college students or a 30 year old bachelor living in a studio apartment is going to order a pizza, not the family.
01:19:55.760I now we're looking at this problem where I was talking to someone recently about this and they said, well, it's too expensive to have kids.
01:20:02.860And I said, the only reason it's expensive to have kids is because there's no market around having kids.
01:20:08.520If the way I explained it on IRL a couple days ago, we want to sell for cast brew coffee, cold brew cans of coffee.
01:20:15.780And we can't afford $50 million in pre-orders and manufacturing plants and all that stuff.
01:22:31.160The less people have kids, the more expensive diapers become, the more expensive baby food becomes,
01:22:36.560because they have to increase the cost to cover their fixed cost because they don't have the volume anymore because no one's having kids.
01:22:41.700Then it becomes harder and harder to have kids, so less people have kids, and then the system implodes on itself.
01:22:47.660Ultimately, I think in 20 years, 20 to 40 years, this country becomes extremely conservative and very religious because only those who are having kids are going to perpetuate the future of this nation,
01:22:58.160and only those who have an internal mission towards having family for whatever reason are going to have kids,
01:23:04.840meaning they're willing to sacrifice and spend the money to have the kids.
01:23:07.540So ultimately, I see welfare systems crumbling and collapsing, and no one cares,
01:23:12.380and I see liberal and progressive ideology evaporating just off of natural selection.
01:23:17.160So money needs to propose a bill that would take the entire universal tax rate back to what it was when King George III was taxing the colonies.
01:25:02.760Well, here again, small business, the taxation levels, what cranking up taxes do is they suppress the ability to be an entrepreneur like you.
01:26:28.460Yeah, and that's a private university with a huge endowment.
01:26:31.880But, you know, you look at what the local school system is and the various layers of administrator on top of administrator that they have.
01:26:40.000That's money that's supposed to be, for this very reason, helping kids or families.
01:26:45.460Put that back in the hands of the family.
01:26:49.100Yeah, I think that the administrative bloat phenomenon isn't limited to the federal government.
01:26:53.740I think you do see this in universities.
01:26:55.180I think you see it, you know, in a lot of places.
01:26:57.700I mean, I know I've worked for businesses that seem to have 100 managers, and you don't know what any of them do.
01:27:03.200But, you know, the problem, I think, you know, similar to what we're saying, like people don't believe in the importance of family or they're discouraged from pursuing it.
01:27:12.060I also think there's a level of trained complacency in American culture today.
01:27:16.920Like to have entrepreneurs who are wanting to start businesses, you know, it takes a certain personality type.
01:27:22.000And right now there's a lot of expectation, well, I'm going to be taxed and, you know, nothing is affordable.
01:27:27.060I'm never going to be able to do anything.
01:27:28.480And there's this sort of backing down.
01:27:30.960They think, you know, if you reached out to George Washington, he would be shocked that this is the way people live their lives.
01:27:37.080I think there is a shift in mentality that is really deep that we are going to have a hard time overcoming.
01:27:44.020Not that it's not possible, but that idea that, like, you have to wait for things to happen to you or you have to comply with, you know, the federal government's decision to ruin your life or to run it a certain way isn't how we started.
01:27:56.520And it discourages people from trying to challenge the status quo.
01:28:00.440That's what I really think Project 2025's biggest fear is for Democrats, right?
01:28:05.500Like they have an expectation that the federal government is the central beating heart of the American institution.
01:28:42.700And there's, you know, basically we're seeing that some of the laptops aren't even turned on.
01:28:49.020So the level of inefficiency in the government, what's happened is that there's been no accountability.
01:28:55.600And right now, some of the main people driving the anti-Project 2025 or really anti-Trump stuff is civil servants or their unions, really.
01:29:07.580So a lot of this are people who want to perpetuate an inefficient system.
01:29:12.760Again, you know, it's not just getting the federal government kind of out of our lives so we can prosper.
01:29:21.500But it's like you say, it's extended toward state, local, various, you know, from hospital systems to educational universities.
01:29:30.600This is this is part of the progressive build out.
01:29:33.480And we have a class of people that are not producing but are taking a lot.
01:29:37.920And to the extent that we can use taxes to really lower that, lower that number, but infuse the people to take the risk.
01:29:46.640Like part of life is going out and seizing it.
01:29:49.260And that's why people talk, I mean, Pasobek talks about it, like getting off these bad foods, these oils, all these things that are that have been fed into us, processed foods that take away your ability to really kind of be sharp.
01:30:02.900And drugs and alcohol and the whole like getting more physical, appreciating your body, putting it into better shape, you'll start, you know, performing better.
01:30:14.380I want to go back to something you said earlier in this conversation, which is that, you know, part of the initiative that you're working on was just to get people who are interested in making a difference or, you know, have have strong values to the federal government because it's not always clear.
01:30:28.140And maybe Luke can talk about this because I know he has experience like there are a lot of ambitious young people who would like to make a change, you know, at the federal level.
01:30:36.920How how do we shift to opening that door for people?
01:30:40.600I mean, was it difficult for you to end up on the Hill?
01:30:42.660It wasn't difficult, but you had to go into it with the mentality that you're not going to be at the top at day one.
01:30:49.380I would I remember my first internship, which anybody that asks, like, how do I get involved in politics?
01:30:54.900You have to go and intern and you have to be willing to do the absolute bare minimum so that you can be trusted in the small things and be given the larger things.
01:31:01.920And that's the entry point into anything in politics and government, any sort of position like that.
01:31:55.160It just I crumbled from that for a little bit because I realized my entire identity was tied up in work.
01:32:00.940So when we're training on Capitol Hill, when we're doing stuff with these different organizations and the Conservative Partnership Institute,
01:32:07.160which is a great group in Washington that helps train these staffers because they realize like they have no support structure,
01:32:12.360no infrastructure in this town where they literally are not part of this town.
01:32:16.260They are just someone who is showing up and going into battle every day.
01:32:20.440I say that you have to ground yourself and find your identity and something beside your business card and your job title,
01:32:27.660because otherwise you are going to collapse.
01:32:30.560It might not be today. It might not be in two years.
01:32:33.000It might be 10 years from now. But when that is yanked out from underneath you, you're going to completely crumble.
01:32:37.400For me, the foundation is my faith. And I tell people, if you don't have that foundation and faith or family or some bedrock apart from this shifting town in Washington,
01:32:46.200you will fall apart because it's the lobbyists. It's the special interest. It's the blackmail.
01:32:51.360It's all of this stuff. And you'll get caught up in it whether you want to or not.
01:32:55.520It's how it drags you in. So if you have this this kind of North Star in Washington of why you're there, what you're doing, what you're doing.
01:33:03.680And frankly, I view it as a mission field. Then you have a purpose for why you're there instead of just going up for fame or power or money,
01:33:12.020which is what most people chase. And it's kind of like the NBA.
01:33:15.480You might play basketball in high school, but you're not going to end up being in the NBA sometimes.
01:33:20.400Sometimes you just have to show up and give it 110 percent. And at the end of the day, you're serving in an environment that desperately needs good young people.
01:33:26.820Hannah and Luke, Hannah Clare, you're asking how people can get involved in government.
01:33:32.600So there, you know, Luke is telling you about the political nature.
01:33:36.160That's a that's a really smaller group. But, you know, there is, like I said, 2.2 million jobs out there and they hire.
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01:36:12.300And and the reality is that they have no way to the president has no way to monitor them.
01:36:18.420Now, conservatives can head for those 99.7 percent jobs.
01:36:22.560And that and that's a way to actually start taking back the country is getting into the federal workforce.
01:36:28.660But we also have to understand that we have to let those 4000 really politically manage the rest.
01:36:34.280And that's that's really part of Project 2025 is getting people who are interested in coming to serve the next conservative president understand the game plan because they built this system.
01:36:45.020And it's rough and tumble when you walk into that building.
01:36:47.920If I could play devil's advocate for a second.
01:36:50.620The Democrats are using Project 2025 every single day as a talking point to rile up their base.
01:36:56.940Trump has distanced himself from it and the campaign has distanced himself from it.
01:37:00.580From an organizational and PR standpoint, how do you win the message and where do you go from here?
01:37:06.500What absolutely is not Trump's, you know, that this was stood up ahead of time for any for any conservative president.
01:37:13.460And it's always just been an offering.
01:37:15.640Like eventually when the president gets elected, we will make offerings of policy suggestions as well as personnel.
01:37:47.780What what is relevant or what they're committing to on the campaign trail?
01:37:51.020The left, to be sure, though, we have to understand is is terrified because with with the book in parts and what our program really suggests is we we put up the source code for the deep state.
01:38:04.280We have said this is how you're going to make the change.
01:38:06.780And they're kind of terrified that we we went at this proposition that is a government of experts.
01:38:12.220And we're like, you mean the experts who are in the building, you know, 10 percent of the time, those experts that are making all this money and actually not performing, you know, and the reality is that they are imposing a value system that is contrary to the vast majority of Americans.
01:38:30.560I got an idea. The book is called The Mandate for Leadership.
01:38:34.060It's not actually called Project 2025, right?
01:38:36.000Right. So I will buy Project 2025 dot org from you guys.
01:38:40.800And then I will make a Web site where Project 2025 is just all these liberal pipe dream policies.
01:38:46.600And then when they keep talking about it, these liberals back, I'm going to Google this.
01:38:49.380I'm going to be like, hey, this looks really great.
01:38:51.680It's going to be like, you know, progressive taxes, tax the rich.
01:38:55.580Yeah. If you looked at what the actual left is proposing in cap, they're talking about, you know, we'll just have it be like Project 2025 is about saving puppies and depopulation and whatever else that they're pushing, bugs.
01:39:13.380Yep. You know, Christy Numb wouldn't go for that policy platform.
01:39:57.600They want to know like that's what MAGA means is to make it great.
01:40:01.820And that's what, you know, one of the candidates is talking about, a vision that where we can all, you know, share in the bounty of this country and have the safety and the promises that were, you know, why did so many people die before us?
01:40:18.720We are, we are the beneficiaries of debt we can never repay.
01:40:23.580But like with the left, this scaremongering is all they have.
01:40:27.320And it's built on a fundamental deceit that this is like what the, what their opposition even wants to put in place.
01:40:34.600So I, my expectation is that people see through this, that, you know, like whatever, people aren't buying it because they can't buy anything under Joe Biden.
01:40:46.140You know, it's like go to the grocery store and that's going to quickly disabuse you of what Project 2025 is when you're trading off between rent and food.
01:40:54.040Yeah, well, and so many people, I mean, I think often the criticism from independents and conservatives themselves is that, you know, Republicans who have any field of influence, whether it's in government or, you know, in Washington, D.C., don't, don't do enough with it.
01:41:06.120And so I understand like people may have criticisms of Project 2025, maybe they don't like certain policies, whatever.
01:41:10.980But, you know, you've said this multiple times tonight, like it's, it's not actually coming from the Trump campaign, it's independent.
01:41:16.960And also, isn't it good that at least somebody is trying to suggest something?
01:41:22.100I mean, like I could go to Tim and be like, Tim, here is my Project 2025 for this company, build a skyscraper of studios and we don't work on Fridays and I specifically get a coffee budget.
01:41:31.400But it doesn't mean he's going to do any of it.
01:41:33.580I mean, I think that's, that's the problem here.
01:41:35.760There's this hysteria that's been whipped up that it's actually, you know, this is the new government when really every organization political out there, no matter where you fall on the spectrum, is going to look to potentially who's going to take over the executive branch and say like, hey, these are things that are important to us.
01:42:06.940She's going to close Chick-fil-A on Saturdays.
01:42:08.740The major Republican angle from this point forward, once the Kamala honeymoon phase is over that the media has given her, is going back and trying to present to the American people all of the left-wing radical things that she said she would do when she was trying to outflank all of the other Democrats in the 2020 primary election and accepting the mantle of the most progressive senator in the United States.
01:42:36.120And she said, yeah, well, you know, I've been given that or whatever.
01:42:42.280The whole borders are thing is going to be another angle.
01:42:44.980But all of the other policies she proposed, reducing red meat consumption, passing a Green New Deal, literally saying that she would get rid of the filibuster to pass the Green New Deal.
01:42:54.880These radical energy policies saying that, well, we just need to train all of the folks working in the energy sector for the jobs of the future.
01:43:01.840All of these completely out of touch things.
01:43:04.320And honestly, I have seen some people say, why, why, why isn't the right attacking her harder on this just yet?
01:43:10.840Well, we don't want all of that to get mixed up in the noise of the Kamala just locked up the nomination and understanding there's going to be a boost from the DNC.
01:43:20.640Probably when they have their convention, historically, they go up a few points.
01:43:27.000And then for the last two to three months, just drive hard in ads and targets to redefine who Kamala Harris is, because people know who Donald Trump is.
01:43:38.720They don't know all of the things that she has said in the past or stood for.
01:43:42.220So she might get a little bit of an edge in the polls initially, a little bump.
01:43:46.540But once that messaging, that targeted messaging around the time when all of the ballots go out and the early voting starts, a few weeks prior to that, the American people have a very short memory.
01:43:57.300And you could probably attest to this, too.
01:43:59.240Sometimes perception is more important than reality in politics when it comes to the messaging debate.
01:44:04.980And so when you start to see this whole conglomerate of American electorate turn out to vote and the perception starts to turn into, oh, well, I'm starting to look into what the reality is.
01:44:14.580That changes the polls, too, when people go and do the research for themselves and see what the policies are from the left versus the right.
01:44:20.540And that dictates what they go in and vote with.
01:46:06.620And that is going to be an issue for her with these middle-of-the-road and independent voters when they go into the voting booth.
01:46:11.920If they redefine and allow this, like, for MAGA Inc. to sink these tens and probably hundreds of millions of dollars in negative ads against her,
01:55:15.620And but it's it's a worry, worrisome thing that like she didn't she's shirking responsibility
01:55:22.220when she was VP and and she didn't get trained up.
01:55:25.920And and right now, you know, their their fires started all over the place with the Middle East, with, you know,
01:55:33.020in the South Pacific and and obviously in Ukraine.
01:55:37.660And it's like, is she any person you think can bring peace together?
01:55:42.580What what evidence is it that she could lead on any sort of foreign, you know, platform?
01:55:51.060I think this Hamas-Israel conflict is going to crop up in a way that the Democrats do not expect for the November elections,
01:55:58.760because you already saw Joe Biden start to capitulate to these protesters who would jump up at the rallies.
01:56:04.720He would say things like they have a point or we need to listen to them.
01:56:08.980And it was because the polls were saying that the young progressive voters are not going to turn out for Joe.
01:56:14.160In fact, they're going to stay home and go in a different direction to either pull votes away or just not turn out at all.
01:56:18.920And you've seen in the youth vote in that party, the lack of enthusiasm for Kamala Harris and Joe Biden from 2020.
01:56:27.440I believe it was somewhere in the range of like 30 percent difference of whether or not they would show up and turn out for a Democrat candidate
01:56:35.580under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris down ballot, in addition to the presidential candidate, to where it's three and four percent now.
01:56:46.060So there is a split in the Democrat Party.
01:56:48.340The narrative that they're going to try to say over the next few weeks is that the Democrats are united because they're all coalescing behind Kamala Harris.
01:56:54.320Well, the delegates might be united, but the voter base is not.
01:56:57.820In fact, it's starkly divided among age groups.
01:57:00.860That's why you saw all of the college age protesters on these campuses.
01:57:04.560They come and sit under these liberal professors and they're highly malleable kids who just listen and say, like, we're looking for a cause.
01:57:13.260So we're going to turn out and we're going to yell against it and rage against it.
01:57:15.940These professors have been doing this for decades.
01:57:18.000But now it's just cropping up because now the parents are sending their kids back and you've got this larger gap of voters who were out there chanting for Hamas and against the state of Israel.
01:57:28.080And the Democrat voter base that does support Israel is actually very strong in the moderate wing.
01:57:33.620But the moderates and the left wing younger progressives are going to deeply split.
01:57:38.640And that could manifest itself in just this group not turning out.
01:57:41.460I mean, look at Wednesday with the Union Station.
01:57:44.120The reality I'm talking about them suppressing the media right now.
01:57:47.660I didn't learn about it until after the fact that somebody was showing a video later on.
01:58:14.080And even I walked out of the Union Station yesterday.
01:58:18.260The Biden administration hadn't put up new American flags like it was disgraceful.
01:58:23.220But the rest of America is not seeing this.
01:58:25.960But certainly as people go back to school, you're right.
01:58:29.360There's going to be an accentuation of these kind of tensions.
01:58:32.860And what you see, you know, with with this kind of they have they're trying to talk out of both sides of their mouth because they have two key constituencies there.
01:58:42.340And it's very the trying to appease one with, you know, is really what they're saying about Israel is terrible.
01:58:50.580You know that they they're not supportive of Israel.
01:58:58.900Now, Donald Trump has said you should go to jail for a year if you're burning the flag.
01:59:02.300And there's there's two two bits of context to this.
01:59:04.940The contextual the contemporary context around what Trump is talking about is a mob that stole a flag from public property and destroyed it in public federal property, federal property.
01:59:17.580And in that context, they should all get probably more than a year, like two or three, maybe for the destruction of federal property, starting a fire in public.
01:59:26.240Very dangerous as for whether, you know, in my opinion of burning the American flag, as long as you own it, I don't care what you do in your own backyard in your barbecue grill, but you can't set a fire in a public street.
01:59:35.520So they're all coming out and they're attacking Trump because he said you shouldn't be allowed to do this.
01:59:39.340And it's just like, have you considered the context around even if they own the flag, they're setting fires in public?
02:00:13.160So it's this is really we're at a major crossroads where, you know, getting back to equal justice under the law is going to be the key key to all this.
02:00:22.960And right now with with, you know, 2020, we remember what that was like.
02:00:29.800And Kamala was a supporter of the whole thing, you know.
02:00:33.400So what would your biggest like if you could have a top three wish list for the next Trump administration, what are three things you would like to see happen?
02:00:43.160Well, again, that's exactly what this is.
02:01:24.820They're not you're not getting a boost out of your career for doing this stuff if you're there for the right reasons.
02:01:30.840Um, so I think, you know, a kind of, uh, emphasis on that, I think, um, peace around the world, you know, uh, that is key, uh, the, the, really the America first foreign policy.
02:01:45.000We're, we're not isolationist, but as you know, I think president Trump's been the first to really shake up the blob and say, no, the, this kind of endless foreign war thing, this is not helping us.
02:01:56.920We're having crumbling infrastructure.
02:02:00.240We spent trillions and trillions above on this adventurism.
02:02:05.140So I kind of hope to see that curved and then really, you know, getting domestic inflation under control, cutting federal government and began to purpose it in the right direction.
02:02:16.900Like this is going to be many decades to kind of restore some fiscal responsibility and getting the money back in the pockets of the American taxpayer.
02:03:15.820They're probably not reached tenure quite yet.
02:03:18.240They're not going to be getting all these retirement packages that they want.
02:03:21.400So if we can get in there and make sure that we don't have people who were in these organizations like the FBI texting back and forth to one another, don't worry, we'll stop him.
02:03:30.440It blows my mind how the left can justify whatever they want to justify in their minds and just say that we are the arbiters of democracy and therefore we know better and can supersede the will of the American people.
02:03:43.240If they can blind themselves into saying that we are the only thing standing in between our republic and decline, then we can justify any action that we take.
02:03:50.540And that means having these rogue FBI agents or having these prosecutors or like Andy McKay bleaking to the mainstream media in order to get his political agenda accomplished, compiling the steel dossier funded by Hillary Clinton to use it as a justification to get a FISA warrant to spy on an opposing campaign.
02:04:06.740All of this stuff is this deep state warfare that we're talking about.
02:04:10.400And if we can get rid of that and get some of these organizations either abolished or back to their original missions that they should be doing in the first place, then we can actually start to see throughout the rest of the United States a revitalization of what the country is actually about.
02:04:26.200Because until we do that, we're not going to get back to this standard of the documents that we were talking about earlier and the initial foundation of just like where did these documents even come from?
02:04:36.540And why were they so concerned about an overreaching government is because these rogue actors would go and violate the Constitution.
02:04:41.920If we can get rid of some of these people who are in these positions of power, we're going to be able to actually start to make significant change in the government like we've never seen before.
02:05:14.900We have created a mechanism by which people are addicted, and we can never get rid of it.
02:05:19.120The way I like to explain it, we got a wound on our arm in the United States a long time ago, and we decided we're going to put a bandage over it.
02:05:26.540And then after a little while, we looked at it and said it smells bad and looks awful.
02:05:35.160No, you have to take off the bandage, and that is ending those programs, cleaning out the wound, and then perhaps reapplying a bandage or realizing the wound has been healed.
02:05:44.120But we've created an addiction system in these bureaucracies, and nobody wants to pull the plug and take the hard steps.
02:05:50.280The reason why Trump gets such a tremendous pushback is not just because he opposes war, which I was trying to bring peace,
02:05:55.420but it's because he's outright telling people in government he's going to eliminate their jobs.
02:06:01.020So now all of a sudden these people are like, okay, well, we're in government now.
02:06:03.740Can we lie, cheat, and steal to keep our jobs?
02:06:06.220Yeah, the federal government is one of the greatest arbiters of – I don't even know how to explain this,
02:06:14.080but essentially going into an organization and saying, like, I'm going to clean you out should sometimes just get members of that organization who don't want to go along with the leadership to depart.
02:06:24.360But that's not the case in Washington.
02:06:26.140You have to go in there and actually fire them because they think they can just hide.
02:06:29.480That's how our government is structured.
02:06:31.140So many of these people are just hiding in these mundane job titles who have these responsibilities that they probably couldn't define to their friends
02:06:38.300or even post on a LinkedIn profile who have this sort of authority that they can go out and just go against whatever the Constitution has said
02:06:45.200because they have been layered under a layer of bureaucracy in the federal government.
02:06:50.020Yeah, I mean, this is where we talk about the Schedule F.
02:06:53.300And really, it's not all the jobs, the 2.2 million, are policy determinative.
02:06:58.760But those are – there's a great strata at the top that are currently occupied by – in the main career of federal employees.
02:07:08.960But they are making, you know, positive decisions about which way to institute a program.
02:07:17.100And if those decisions are being made contrary to what the president just got elected to do, then that's a disjunct.
02:07:45.880But, you know, when you have these core jobs where the people, like you say, are going to wait out their political supervisor or just going to find a way to slow roll or subvert it, then that's not – that system has to be reformed.
02:08:03.000And I'll just give a quick example from Congress because the incentive structure there in Washington is that you go in at the very bottom, you work your way up, you're a staffer, you capitulate to lobbyists by giving these meetings to your boss with these lobbyists and special interest groups.
02:08:16.380You maintain relationships with the people over at the lobbying firm over on K Street.
02:08:20.280And then when you're tired of Congress or you've burned out a little bit, then you go over to K Street and you become part of that swamp and you start to advocate for those special interests.
02:08:28.120If you don't give access to your boss, if you don't listen to their legislation that they have or advocate for it, you are not getting a career in Washington post-Congress.
02:08:36.580You end up either burning out and going back home or finding something that doesn't pay very well.
02:08:41.380The incentive structure is oriented towards ensuring that the staff and the members who come to Washington and are part of that group that say they're going to change the swamp then have no alternative except to go get lumped into the swamp because that's the only direction that you're supposed to go in your career.
02:08:56.380You go over and you work off of Capitol Hill and you go straight over to the K Street afterwards, either with public affairs or a lobbying group.
02:09:02.060Yeah, no, that's the hope for Project 2025 to bring people from outside the swamp to drain it.
02:09:07.280And you're eventually going to have to go back home to your farm, if you will.
02:09:11.380But, you know, that you have to come in and look at this as service of the country.
02:09:15.680The same way, you know, your family members maybe march off to fight abroad or, you know, people sacrifice.
02:09:21.960This is the sort of time where you have to come serve.
02:09:24.900If you're looking for meaning in life, this is a great way to find it.
02:10:22.040This has to be that I wish they put this in the in the Constitution every 65, 70 years.
02:10:29.740There's got to be a dramatic reduction in spending like a mandatory overhaul and reformation of some sort going back to the roots of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
02:10:37.820And then, you know, basically cleaning out the bloat.
02:10:41.160I don't I wonder if they did not foresee how the what the bloat would become in this country with with government.