The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #76 Man Saves Child From Gender Transition w⧸Chloe Cole, Harrison Tinsley, Sara Higdon

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00:00:57.060 So, uh, right now, you've got a lot of people who are angry at Joe Rogan.

00:01:03.820 Because the other day he said that he was, uh, that RFK Jr. was the only one that made sense.

00:01:07.860 Now, uh, Joe is markedly independent. He was kind of a lefty. He's a fan of Tulsi Gabbard.

00:01:12.660 But Joe Rogan talks about a lot of issues that wake people up.

00:01:16.020 Notably, he has honest conversations, uh, as it pertains to this podcast about gender ideology.

00:01:21.400 He's been doing it longer than basically anybody. He talked about, uh, MMA, having a biological male boxer fighting females.

00:01:29.400 And so this is a guy who, uh, deserves our respect, in my opinion, because he's honest and has a large platform, one of the largest.

00:01:36.960 But he's also just being honest, and honesty opens the door for solving these problems.

00:01:40.720 But there are a lot of Trump supporters who are upset. They can't handle that.

00:01:44.140 And so they're getting really mad at Joe. And I think this is a big risk.

00:01:47.900 Because these issues are all tied together in the culture war.

00:01:51.360 And has a, will have a huge impact on whether or not Donald Trump or Kamala Harris could win.

00:01:56.100 The polls right now say Kamala could win.

00:01:58.440 I don't know if I actually believe those.

00:02:00.360 But I do believe that, uh, the Democrat platform is basically mindless nothing.

00:02:04.480 That's just my opinion. You don't got to agree with me.

00:02:05.780 But there's no campaign policies on Kamala Harris' website.

00:02:08.940 Well, we don't need to get into the nitty-gritty of, of campaign policy and all that stuff.

00:02:12.740 But this issue on gender ideology plays a huge role.

00:02:15.380 Because it's affecting our schools. It's affecting our next generation.

00:02:18.260 And it's affecting the lives of many young people.

00:02:20.720 Especially when they realize either they made the wrong decision.

00:02:23.220 Or the decision was made for them.

00:02:25.100 So we're going to be talking about trans, uh, the transgender child issue.

00:02:29.780 And I'm sure it'll rope into, uh, politics.

00:02:31.580 But we got a bunch of really awesome guests to join us tonight to talk about this.

00:02:34.880 And, uh, I'll show you it to Harrison first.

00:02:36.700 Who are you? What do you do?

00:02:37.840 Harrison Tinsley. I'm a dad from California.

00:02:40.580 I fight for parents' rights and to protect children from gender ideology.

00:02:44.160 And this is because, uh, it affected you personally?

00:02:47.460 Yeah. I actually had a custody battle with my son for four and a half years.

00:02:50.800 I didn't even get to meet him until he was 15 months old.

00:02:53.080 Just for a disagreement in politics.

00:02:55.800 And then his mom started to try to pretend he was non-binary.

00:02:58.900 And I felt that I had to save him from that.

00:03:01.260 Right on. And, uh, now you have full custody and...

00:03:04.340 Yeah. Now I have full custody for now and I'm extremely thankful.

00:03:07.160 All right. We'll get into the rest of that, too.

00:03:08.600 We got, uh, Chloe Cole hanging out.

00:03:10.480 I am a detrencher and an advocate for the rights of children to grow up with their bodies fully intact.

00:03:14.900 And for parents to be able to raise their children without the influence of gender ideology.

00:03:18.560 And this also was, uh, because you were affected personally.

00:03:21.040 Yeah. I, I went through the process of going through a medical gender transition while I was still a child.

00:03:25.740 Um, I started identifying as a boy at the age of 12.

00:03:30.560 And at 13 was when I started with the process of medicalization.

00:03:34.620 Um, so they blocked my puberty.

00:03:37.460 Um, they put me on weekly injections of male hormones.

00:03:40.360 And at 15 years old, while I was still a sophomore in high school, I underwent a radical double mastectomy through my breasts.

00:03:47.960 And I stopped transitioning at 16 when I realized that I had trauma in my life.

00:03:52.820 Um, I had other issues in my life that weren't really addressed during the course of this, um, during therapy.

00:03:58.080 Um, that were causing me to feel this way about my, about my body.

00:04:01.940 And I also wanted to become a mother one day.

00:04:04.380 I wanted to have children.

00:04:05.140 And I knew that if I were to go further into this, I wouldn't be able to pursue that.

00:04:09.460 Right on.

00:04:10.040 Should be interesting.

00:04:10.540 And Sarah Hickton is hanging out.

00:04:11.720 Yeah, I'm here again.

00:04:12.840 Thanks for having me.

00:04:13.580 Um, I'm a content creator.

00:04:15.040 I'm an advocate against children transitioning.

00:04:18.320 Um, and I also am a writer for the post-millennial human events.

00:04:22.900 Um, more so just reporting with them now.

00:04:24.900 And the digital marketing manager over at Free the People.

00:04:27.140 And I have as well gone through a transition as myself, but, um, I use that transition to

00:04:34.580 point out the harms that can cause, um, children, even though it does work for some people.

00:04:41.180 And some of us are happy with our transitions.

00:04:43.200 It doesn't mean it's right for children to go through these procedures when the, when the

00:04:47.240 detransition rate or the, the, uh, the desist rate is so high.

00:04:51.460 So the, uh, where do we begin?

00:04:54.800 It's a complicated issue.

00:04:55.780 A lot of people may not know a lot about this is children.

00:04:59.740 And, uh, the argument, of course, from a lot of conservatives, kids can't get tattoos.

00:05:04.800 Why would they be allowed to undergo radical permanent changes to their body, which in many

00:05:09.440 instances can result in an inability to have children when they don't understand the full

00:05:14.360 ramifications of this.

00:05:15.380 You mentioned just a moment ago, Sarah, uh, desistance rates, which there are a couple

00:05:19.720 studies that show, what is it like 65 to 90 some odd percent?

00:05:22.640 Yeah.

00:05:23.000 It's something like 90% by the time that they reached the age of 20 and it's something

00:05:26.960 like 80% by the age of 18.

00:05:29.420 So why not let them go through puberty?

00:05:31.600 Cause puberty seems to be the cure for, um, gender questioning, um, of, of your, you know,

00:05:37.800 questioning of your body and your, and your sex as well.

00:05:40.400 So, so I suppose we should just, uh, let's, let's start with, you know, Chloe, you have

00:05:43.720 this, how did this happen?

00:05:45.220 What happened to you?

00:05:46.080 How did you end up transitioning?

00:05:48.200 Um, I mean, I'd say that it really started with me just being like an awkward, tomboyish

00:05:57.060 girl, um, who didn't really fit in socially.

00:06:00.860 And I started puberty pretty young.

00:06:02.780 I was probably about like eight or nine when my breasts started to develop.

00:06:05.620 And so I was, I was very, very conscious about my body for a long time.

00:06:09.900 Um, especially as I started using the internet and social media and being exposed to like

00:06:14.880 these very like sexualized, very idealized images of adult women.

00:06:19.280 Um, it just felt like I constantly had like another woman to compare myself to and that

00:06:23.120 I'd never be like feminine or pretty enough as, as a girl.

00:06:27.280 Um, and I mean, given like my age and my maturity at the time, I couldn't really, it was very

00:06:35.340 hard for me to process these feelings on my own and figure out just where exactly they

00:06:39.180 were coming from.

00:06:40.380 Um, I always felt like there was something that just like set me apart from the other

00:06:45.340 people around me.

00:06:46.140 And this was something that I was very conscious of.

00:06:48.220 Um, but I learned about the transgender community, um, through the internet when I was about 11,

00:06:53.660 12 years old and like, I'd heard the word transgender a few times, like when adults were talking about

00:06:59.660 it, but I didn't really have any personal interests until like it was being presented

00:07:02.540 to me, like to my face through, through social media apps that I was using.

00:07:06.720 And I wasn't like following like any influencers or celebrities or anything.

00:07:10.600 It was just like other kids my age who had like very similar, very similar interests, like

00:07:14.980 video games or like very similar upbringings and struggles growing up.

00:07:18.220 Um, and seeing how like they all seem to, to flourish, um, to become happier, to make

00:07:28.740 friends and like, like heal their relationships with their, with their family as they went through

00:07:32.020 this, this process was something that kind of spoke to me.

00:07:37.040 Uh, we had, uh, Helena Kirshner on Timcast IRL.

00:07:40.780 This is probably, I don't know what, a year or two ago.

00:07:42.380 It's been a while, but she was, uh, she's also a detransitioner.

00:07:45.160 And what she was saying, uh, and this is, this is really scary.

00:07:48.260 I mean, you're saying you were on the internet at 11 years old and you're being told things

00:07:52.320 you're seeing this community stuff.

00:07:53.980 You also mentioned seeing like sexual, sexualized pictures of women as a child on the internet.

00:07:59.300 Yeah.

00:07:59.860 Um, and I think my first exposure to pornography actually was while I was still in like elementary

00:08:04.920 school through like a, like a friend of mine who like brought like their, like it was like

00:08:09.080 either on like their school tablet or on their, on their phone that they brought to school.

00:08:11.920 Um, so, uh, Helena Kirshner was, uh, explaining how she ended up getting into transition and

00:08:18.400 it's a scary story.

00:08:20.020 Uh, I'm probably getting it wrong.

00:08:21.640 So I'll give you a quick, uh, uh, an example similar to what, you know, she had told us

00:08:25.980 she goes online and she feels down on herself, self-conscious, awkward, young kid.

00:08:32.740 Most kids are, they're, they're trying to find out how to fit in and especially teenage

00:08:35.600 girls.

00:08:36.080 Yeah, especially.

00:08:37.260 Well, she finds out that, you know, she's not feeling so well and she goes on these forums

00:08:40.720 and she says, you know, I don't feel too well.

00:08:42.160 And then someone says, maybe you're trans.

00:08:44.240 And she's like, what does that mean?

00:08:45.800 And they're like, oh, it's maybe like everybody else feels normal.

00:08:49.060 Look at their, look at their social media posts.

00:08:50.520 Look how happy they're.

00:08:51.500 Something must be wrong with you.

00:08:52.680 Maybe you're actually a boy.

00:08:53.940 And then she goes, I don't know about that.

00:08:55.780 They said, well, try putting on a t-shirt and jeans.

00:08:57.740 See how you feel.

00:08:58.900 She puts on a t-shirt and jeans.

00:09:00.460 They say, take a picture and post it on the internet.

00:09:02.140 She does.

00:09:02.840 And then she gets love bombed with everyone saying, wow, you're so cool.

00:09:05.380 Look how cool you look.

00:09:06.960 How do you feel now?

00:09:08.200 And she goes, I feel great.

00:09:09.880 I feel good.

00:09:10.540 And they're like, yeah, it's because you're a boy.

00:09:12.500 Try getting your hair cut.

00:09:13.560 Cut your hair.

00:09:14.600 So then she's like, okay.

00:09:16.420 And they're like, it's nothing permanent.

00:09:17.740 It's just a haircut.

00:09:18.920 Gets a haircut.

00:09:19.940 Then they say, post the picture online.

00:09:21.120 She posted online.

00:09:21.760 They go, wow, look how cool you are.

00:09:22.880 You look so cool.

00:09:23.760 How do you feel now?

00:09:24.460 I feel really good.

00:09:25.660 But why did she feel good?

00:09:26.560 She felt good because other people were love bombing her.

00:09:29.100 And then they kept.

00:09:29.560 Cycle of affirmation.

00:09:30.360 It's addictive.

00:09:30.680 And what they were really doing was grooming her on the internet to trick her into thinking

00:09:35.040 the real path towards happiness was not social acceptance, which you can get in many different

00:09:38.860 ways, but physical gender transition, which she began.

00:09:43.300 And she told us how she went.

00:09:44.280 I think she said she went to Planned Parenthood.

00:09:45.660 Within a few minutes, they gave her the maximum dose of testosterone.

00:09:47.840 Which is insane about this, too, is because what we're seeing with a lot of detransitioners,

00:09:53.780 especially females, even just people, and actually even just trans people that are happy when

00:09:59.920 they're transitioned, testosterone is starting to hurt their bodies.

00:10:03.640 It's really the levels that they're giving them here are really starting to cause a lot

00:10:07.800 of issues.

00:10:08.240 There's Amy Ray, who was, when trans, was Matt Ray online, has had a number of medical

00:10:16.880 complications from that transition simply because when they moved here, they gave them

00:10:21.180 too high of testosterone, and it just really caused seizure issues and other stuff like

00:10:25.700 that.

00:10:26.380 So it's not even just, actually, most trans people that I know that are female to male seem

00:10:33.660 to come off of it at some point.

00:10:34.780 They come off of testosterone for one reason or another because once they get the facial

00:10:38.140 features, they get a lot of the other stuff, they don't need the testosterone because

00:10:41.240 they got the looks that they wanted.

00:10:43.340 I heard that there's an issue with male to female with some kind of, like, blood thickening.

00:10:47.940 Is that true?

00:10:49.080 Like, hormones can cause, like, blood to thicken and cause problems?

00:10:52.480 I think that's more of a problem with women taking testosterone.

00:10:55.000 Really?

00:10:55.440 That was an issue that I had, actually.

00:10:56.860 Like, I started, like, it caused me to have, like, urinary tract issues, like UTIs or,

00:11:02.260 like, symptoms anywhere from, like, every month to, like, every other month.

00:11:06.520 And eventually, I started getting, like, blood clots and, like, tissue in my urine.

00:11:10.200 Whoa.

00:11:10.680 Yeah, atrophy is a huge issue, too.

00:11:12.260 Like, vaginal atrophy is a very big issue that they're not even, doctors aren't even

00:11:17.120 telling the patients what it really is.

00:11:19.040 I mean, Buck Angel has been out here forever talking about it since he started transitioning,

00:11:23.620 but they're not even talking about it, and you see it on the TikToks.

00:11:26.300 Like, oh, I have this issue.

00:11:27.360 And then Buck's like, that's atrophy.

00:11:28.560 And when the doctors do talk about it, they're like, oh, you can just treat it with topical

00:11:32.960 estrogen suppositories, but it doesn't address, like, it doesn't address the atrophy going

00:11:39.340 on, like, further up into the reproductive system or, like, in other parts of the pelvis.

00:11:42.460 Yeah.

00:11:42.920 Did they warn you, though, in any way before you started to do that about these possible

00:11:46.380 side effects, or was it all just, like, look at all these positives and that's all

00:11:49.240 it's going to be?

00:11:49.900 I mean, sure.

00:11:50.480 Like, it was, like, briefly, like, it was brief.

00:11:52.800 Some of it was, like, briefly discussed and, like, it was, like, written on a piece of paper,

00:11:55.580 but it wasn't, like, really touched upon in great detail.

00:12:00.560 And it didn't matter anyways, because I was 13 when they started me on this.

00:12:04.860 Like, a kid that age is not going to be able to understand just what they're consenting to.

00:12:09.240 Wow.

00:12:09.840 No matter how much a doctor or any adult tries to explain to them.

00:12:12.600 Well, now they're starting to do it to one, zero, one, two, three, four, five-year-olds,

00:12:16.480 which is even a whole nother level of insane.

00:12:18.940 Well, they're saying out right now, you won't know the child's gender until a child is old

00:12:23.360 enough to tell you.

00:12:24.100 So choose their own gender, that's insane.

00:12:26.100 Yeah, no, that's, it's, so, uh, I've told this story before, because I was hanging out

00:12:29.460 with some family friends, and they had two young kids, a boy and a girl, and we, this

00:12:34.360 didn't come up, we weren't, it's, like, there's no conversation where we're, like, gender?

00:12:36.940 And, no, but they were talking, and they said, you know, just abruptly, like, you know, we

00:12:40.400 did realize the, the differences between boys and girls is fairly obvious once we had

00:12:43.780 kids, because for some reason, the little boy just started smashing things.

00:12:47.360 We don't know why, he just, one day, started hitting things and smashing them, and then

00:12:50.900 our daughter would run and grab them and try and protect them.

00:12:52.680 And we never taught them to do that, and I thought that was absolutely funny, like,

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00:14:23.660 A little boy just wants to smash it.

00:14:26.440 Not a good thing, not a bad thing.

00:14:28.200 He's playing with toys, but then the girl is trying to protect.

00:14:30.080 So he's like hitting the stuffed bunny and she's like, no, and then she grabs it.

00:14:33.380 And so it's weird that like, there's this idea that if you don't fall into those behavior

00:14:37.880 sets, prep the surgery.

00:14:39.800 Now that's the joke, the hyperbolic joke.

00:14:41.760 But I suppose what they actually begin is the, you know, first you're non-binary.

00:14:45.940 And so that's what you experienced, Harrison.

00:14:47.020 Do you want to tell your story?

00:14:48.920 Yeah.

00:14:49.140 Do you want me to start way back at the beginning?

00:14:50.740 Yeah, let's hear it.

00:14:51.900 So I'm in the Bay Area, karaoke, saw this girl, thought she was beautiful.

00:14:56.800 I sang her a song.

00:14:57.560 We ended up dating, fallen in love.

00:15:01.020 And essentially we never agreed politically.

00:15:05.380 And I was just hoping that was something that we could just agree to disagree on.

00:15:08.840 And it really seemed to cause a lot of tension.

00:15:10.900 She ended up getting pregnant pretty shortly in our relationship.

00:15:12.940 And we actually both went to the doctor together.

00:15:16.120 We were super stoked that it was a boy.

00:15:18.860 Literally excited about that.

00:15:20.240 Agreed upon the name Sawyer.

00:15:21.800 Great name.

00:15:23.220 And, uh, but there was this time when she announced publicly on Facebook, et cetera, that she was

00:15:28.180 pregnant.

00:15:28.460 She said, baby Sawyer due in December.

00:15:30.260 I'll love you whether you're a boy or girl or neither.

00:15:33.300 And so that was...

00:15:33.980 You're like, wait, what do you mean as a boy?

00:15:35.080 Yeah, it was pretty concerning.

00:15:36.440 And I was left off the post as well, even though we were dating.

00:15:40.720 So...

00:15:41.080 So that was an intentional decision.

00:15:42.460 She was trying to cut you out.

00:15:44.100 It felt that way.

00:15:45.540 Yeah.

00:15:45.800 So then it went on a few months of her pregnancy and it just seemed like I was constantly getting

00:15:49.960 threatened, like literally daily.

00:15:51.400 You won't see Sawyer if this or that.

00:15:53.640 Did you, did you like vocally object to what she was doing?

00:15:56.800 Um, to that.

00:15:57.980 Yeah.

00:15:58.160 She would, she would ask me like, well, what would you do if like our kid was transgender?

00:16:01.580 And I would be like, well, I wouldn't let them live a lie.

00:16:04.640 If they're 18 years old, maybe they could do what they want, but I'm not going to just

00:16:07.320 like accept my kid as a false identity and confirm a delusion essentially.

00:16:12.300 Oh, wow.

00:16:12.840 And she'd get pretty strong.

00:16:13.900 Very upset with that.

00:16:15.560 You know, she has wonderful qualities.

00:16:17.020 She also has some pretty serious mental health issues, unfortunately.

00:16:19.900 But, um, so she would, you know, break down on me pretty wildly.

00:16:24.320 But yeah, I started getting threatened quite often, if not daily, uh, to not see him.

00:16:29.440 And then she, it ended up, she broke up with me.

00:16:32.000 She sent me a cease and desist letter and I didn't know when he was born.

00:16:36.940 I found out about one week later from social media, someone reached out to me and, you know,

00:16:41.760 that was heartbreaking, of course.

00:16:43.180 And I decided that I had to fight for him, that I had a duty to fight for him.

00:16:47.700 So I filed in court two months later, a lot of paperwork for custody, visitation, parentage.

00:16:52.820 He was born in December.

00:16:53.620 I filed in February and then it took 13 more months just to meet him.

00:16:58.180 So I didn't, not until he was 15 months old, did I hold him, look in his eyes in spite

00:17:02.660 of being excited about him since pregnancy, which was just devastating.

00:17:07.480 And, um, as far as I could tell, she actually had treated him as a boy though that entire

00:17:12.200 time, believe it or not, from what my sisters and stuff showed me from social media.

00:17:16.920 Um, and so I started a visitation with him and, you know, there was every line in the

00:17:21.980 book thrown at me for it to delay all this and to paint me out to be bad, like Brett

00:17:25.920 Kavanaugh, Johnny Depp kind of stuff.

00:17:28.460 And I had to fight all that off.

00:17:30.860 I was extremely thankful.

00:17:32.260 I had ex-girlfriends of mine.

00:17:34.040 Like, so you're getting falsely accused.

00:17:35.800 Oh yeah.

00:17:36.200 It's bad behavior.

00:17:37.240 It's extremely common in family court, false accusations.

00:17:40.520 Wow.

00:17:40.720 And there's pretty much no repercussions for them, unfortunately.

00:17:43.220 So yeah, it's just, uh, falsely accused of just heinous things that are just patently

00:17:48.800 false, sometimes even the opposite of the truth.

00:17:51.500 And basically I started my visits.

00:17:54.740 It was made as difficult as possible.

00:17:57.260 You know, the first ones were like supervised, not professionally, but just cause, you know,

00:18:01.560 he hadn't spent any time with me yet.

00:18:03.660 And there was just a series, like, you know, you have someone watching you taking notes and

00:18:08.180 they're literally trying everything they can.

00:18:09.580 Like I found a hidden camera once.

00:18:11.520 I don't know for a fact that it was recording, but it seemed weird.

00:18:14.740 Sawyer actually picked it up and showed it to me.

00:18:16.620 Um, there was one time where my sister caught, uh, her dad in the bushes watching us.

00:18:21.660 Got a picture.

00:18:22.340 What?

00:18:22.960 Yeah.

00:18:23.160 So he was there to watch us, but he had stayed back to smoke a cigarette.

00:18:26.280 Me and my mom and sister, I would try to not go alone so that I couldn't have stuff

00:18:29.620 made up about me.

00:18:30.840 Me and my mom and my sister walked ahead with Sawyer, like a quarter mile, whatever.

00:18:34.480 And my sister's like, Harrison, he's literally in the bushes watching us.

00:18:37.560 And she got pictures of him.

00:18:38.460 She literally was smart enough to notice him, get pictures of him.

00:18:41.400 So we even showed the court this.

00:18:43.420 Um, but just, those are just some examples of just like how hard they were going after

00:18:47.940 me.

00:18:48.080 And I don't understand why.

00:18:49.260 Uh, did, did something happen with like the large hadron collider that turned half of

00:18:54.600 the planet into psychopaths?

00:18:56.700 Because like, it's crazy to think that this, this woman doesn't recognize gender and has

00:19:05.400 this, this strange ideology, but her family does too, to the extent where a guy would hide

00:19:09.580 in the bushes to spy on you.

00:19:12.420 What, what happened?

00:19:14.140 Is it in something, is something in the water?

00:19:15.540 Is it the phthalates and the endocrine disruptors making people go nuts?

00:19:19.060 I think that could play a role at least, but hiding in the bushes to spy on you.

00:19:23.560 Like, that's crazy.

00:19:25.080 Well, so, so what ends up happening?

00:19:26.440 You end up winning custody.

00:19:28.020 Well, it takes a while.

00:19:28.960 I mean, that's back when he's like a year and a half old or so.

00:19:32.040 I mean, so I start, I do my visits.

00:19:33.740 I moved to the Bay area a few months later, you know, I'm getting to visit them on my own.

00:19:37.220 Once I moved to the Bay area, go back to court.

00:19:40.200 Thankfully, the judge gave me half custody, like right away.

00:19:42.320 Like, you know, it's a shame that you missed so much of his life.

00:19:45.620 Half custody is fair.

00:19:47.020 You know, those things have been proven untrue, et cetera.

00:19:49.540 Wow.

00:19:49.720 I had five ex-girlfriends testify for me or not testify, but write letters.

00:19:53.920 Super thankful to them.

00:19:54.980 That's a hard ask to like go to someone you do not talk to anymore and used to be in love

00:19:59.460 with or date and ask him for something so serious.

00:20:02.060 Wow.

00:20:02.480 And have to tell them why and what you're being accused of, right?

00:20:05.300 I'm just going to say this.

00:20:06.340 I'm going to pay, I'm going to pay a compliment.

00:20:07.400 But fighting for your child to be within his life when there are so many, you know, deadbeat

00:20:12.580 dads or guys that will abandon their kids.

00:20:14.660 And then even having, you said five ex-girlfriends?

00:20:18.240 Yeah.

00:20:18.660 Who, I guess, even though the relationships didn't work out, you were a good enough dude

00:20:23.560 to where they were going to sing your praises after the fact.

00:20:26.100 They're amazing people, every single one of them.

00:20:29.060 Yeah.

00:20:29.500 I mean.

00:20:29.880 Well, so, so, so, so how does this, uh, where does this end up?

00:20:33.780 I mean, you're, you're in court, uh, was, were the lies that she levied against you in,

00:20:40.660 like used in your favor to prove you should have custody?

00:20:43.700 We tried to bring that up.

00:20:45.340 I don't think that was the main factor.

00:20:47.000 What's happens is, so I went half custody.

00:20:48.940 She starts to defame and harass me even more now and like online and publicly.

00:20:54.480 Uh, so it's bad enough that in the court believes it to be untrue, which it is that I get a

00:20:58.560 temporary restraining order, which she violates that temporary restraining order.

00:21:02.480 Wow.

00:21:02.960 Um, she started doing the non-binary thing right around that time, at least to the best

00:21:06.660 of my knowledge.

00:21:07.100 And I believe even identifying that way herself.

00:21:10.120 Um, and so there was that, there was violation of the restraining order.

00:21:15.600 There's a bunch of little broken court orders that court doesn't usually care about little

00:21:18.760 things like, like lying, like they don't make a big deal.

00:21:21.040 But then there was an arrest and a CPS report.

00:21:23.800 Uh, she was arrested for child endangerment with Sawyer there.

00:21:27.300 Crazy night.

00:21:27.960 Um, presented it to court.

00:21:30.020 They actually denied it originally.

00:21:31.280 Then I got the body cam footage, found out like everything that was said by every witness,

00:21:34.960 et cetera.

00:21:35.480 Are you allowed to explain the scenario of the endangerment?

00:21:38.400 Yeah.

00:21:38.920 Uh, essentially there was just, she lived in a place with her roommate and they had a,

00:21:43.580 an argument.

00:21:44.880 She was on allegedly on the phone with one of her dads and was like screaming at them

00:21:49.660 and asked this roommate.

00:21:50.780 One of her dads?

00:21:51.600 She has two dads.

00:21:52.420 She's adopted in San Francisco by two gay dads that aren't biological to her.

00:21:56.060 Oh, interesting.

00:21:56.620 Um, yeah, it's definitely an interesting detail.

00:22:00.060 Um, so she got in a verbal argument with the roommate over like the, asking the roommate

00:22:04.860 to watch Sawyer for five minutes while she took this phone call or something.

00:22:07.560 And then the roommate was trying to move out and allegedly she wouldn't let her move out

00:22:11.460 and, you know, threatened to like burn the house down and hurt the roommate, hurt the

00:22:14.960 kid, all these things.

00:22:15.620 The roommate's brother came to help her move out.

00:22:18.060 There was just a bunch of wild stuff.

00:22:19.640 He fell off of a bed.

00:22:21.160 Um, and it was a bed just held up by three chairs that this roommate had been sleeping

00:22:25.840 on.

00:22:26.300 I guess it wasn't on a frame and he's only, she's 20 months old at the time.

00:22:29.300 So pretty young and it's on a video, even him falling off and hitting his head.

00:22:33.660 And she, how was that video of it?

00:22:35.200 Uh, the, they were, the roommate's brother got it on video.

00:22:38.560 Oh, he was filming by this time.

00:22:40.280 Yeah.

00:22:40.440 So there's way more accusations and the ones that happen in the future are also way gnarlier.

00:22:44.780 But, um, there's accusations of her throwing him onto the bed and just all sorts of different

00:22:49.520 weird things, uh, kind of using him as like a battering ram, like not necessarily like

00:22:53.920 hitting with him, but like not letting the roommate get by because the roommate's not

00:22:56.460 going to push by a child.

00:22:57.960 Right.

00:22:58.640 Um, and I don't know what's true or not.

00:23:00.300 And I wasn't there, but just a really scary night and alcohol is involved, et cetera.

00:23:04.220 And like when she tells the cops about it, she said like, Oh, he's a gymnast.

00:23:07.300 He did a somersault.

00:23:08.200 It's like 20 month olds cannot do a somersault.

00:23:11.140 And he hit his head.

00:23:12.680 Wow.

00:23:13.480 Yeah.

00:23:13.720 So that, so he's all right.

00:23:15.320 He was fine.

00:23:15.920 Okay.

00:23:16.440 Thankfully he got evaluated and everything.

00:23:18.060 And, um, so he gets, she gets arrested, um, child endangerment, felonies, child endangerment

00:23:24.320 placed on a 5150 hold that night.

00:23:26.040 And in fact, she said so much bad stuff to me about me, to the cops, even that they didn't

00:23:31.780 even call me that night to pick him, pick him up.

00:23:33.620 So her parents got custody of him instead of me who literally has half custody, the only

00:23:37.920 person who has a legal right to him.

00:23:40.320 Um, but so we bring that to trial.

00:23:42.540 I get granted a four day trial, which is like a lot of time in court.

00:23:45.580 Usually just get your 30 minutes.

00:23:46.840 They don't, that's all you get.

00:23:48.360 And it ended up being five days.

00:23:49.820 It was five afternoons.

00:23:50.840 I presented all this evidence.

00:23:52.400 There's more little things.

00:23:53.200 Like I said, two broken court orders.

00:23:54.660 And I just felt so confident about it.

00:23:57.380 I mean, her attorney objected to every single thing I or any witness said, just like to

00:24:00.860 waste time, just objection, objection, like wouldn't even know her objection.

00:24:03.900 It was pretty wild to see.

00:24:05.480 And that's why we're part of the reason we're appealing it.

00:24:07.660 But yeah, so I, it felt like a one.

00:24:09.360 You're appealing?

00:24:10.020 Yeah.

00:24:10.400 So that, that's still happening right now.

00:24:12.880 But you won, didn't you?

00:24:14.200 It's a separate thing.

00:24:15.420 And we still want to win this appeal, um, just on principle.

00:24:18.320 And it would change also a couple of things, but I think it would also set case law for

00:24:21.620 other people.

00:24:22.180 So this is the, this is the child endangerment case is separate from the custody case.

00:24:26.140 And she, and she got let off on the charges, but it's San Francisco and the DAs don't really

00:24:30.040 prosecute there in my opinion.

00:24:31.900 But, um, yeah, we've seen the videos.

00:24:35.240 Yeah.

00:24:35.720 So then, you know, I start this appeal.

00:24:38.520 I decide I'm going to come out publicly.

00:24:40.460 You know, I've spent all my money.

00:24:41.740 I've just been, just done everything I can.

00:24:44.120 And I just decide like, I need to tell the world I can't be the only one dealing with this.

00:24:48.040 And I essentially come out daily wire and Matt Walsh broke my story, super thankful to

00:24:52.180 them.

00:24:53.040 And then from there, I just did every interview I could.

00:24:55.420 And I started meeting incredible people like all of you and Chloe and just all this, like

00:24:59.460 became a part of this movement, sort of fighting for children and parents rights.

00:25:02.720 And I think it's the battle of our lifetime, but it's just crazy how you start being courageous

00:25:06.940 and speaking the truth, how much your life opens up in ways you could never imagine.

00:25:11.620 I think I met the love of my life because of all this, I have this purpose.

00:25:14.480 I'm going to the California Capitol and speaking against bills.

00:25:17.320 It's like Chloe.

00:25:19.900 And yeah, so the appeal is ongoing.

00:25:23.240 We have some legit reasons we think that we could win on appeal.

00:25:27.540 An example is the violation of the restraining order would normally be grounds for an automatic

00:25:32.480 full restraining order because it was temporary, but they didn't give me that.

00:25:37.680 You know, not being able to cross-examine witness, things like that.

00:25:41.040 But we have that appeal going on.

00:25:44.720 We're hoping to win it just to set some case law in California.

00:25:48.040 But yeah, one day I'm just sitting there and I have missed calls and it's the police in San Francisco.

00:25:53.680 And essentially they tell me to pick my son up.

00:25:56.900 And I'm thankful they called me this time.

00:25:58.400 And I pick him up and his mom was arrested again for another violent incident.

00:26:03.360 And it was very serious sounding.

00:26:06.640 And the evidence made it just horrifying to see.

00:26:10.400 Something like she had a physical altercation with one of her dads.

00:26:13.340 It was very serious.

00:26:14.400 She allegedly broke his nose.

00:26:15.800 They were both bleeding.

00:26:17.300 Sawyer had to witness this.

00:26:18.560 So this is what it takes also, just as an example, in family court for, I would say, a dad to win custody.

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00:27:51.140 Blood, Sawyer sneaks up because he's hiding at first, thankfully, but he snuck up to, you

00:28:01.020 know, to defend his mom or to see whatever is going on.

00:28:04.140 And he has, like, his kid's baseball bat.

00:28:05.960 It's a plastic baseball bat.

00:28:07.120 And according to Sawyer, his mom says, hit him in the face, hit him in the face.

00:28:11.000 According to her, he did it on his own in her defense.

00:28:14.100 Either way, I think it'd be normal to tell the four-year-old to run away or something

00:28:18.300 like that.

00:28:18.920 And then, you know, it is honorable that he was fighting for his mom.

00:28:21.660 Like, I respect that.

00:28:22.360 But at four years old?

00:28:23.900 At four years old.

00:28:25.700 So, you know, and he did that.

00:28:27.140 And, you know, part of the police evidence even is a bloody kid's baseball bat or something

00:28:30.440 very similar to that.

00:28:33.360 So it's just horrifying that that's what had to happen.

00:28:35.340 I filed an ex parte either the very next day or the day after that with my attorney because

00:28:39.800 of this.

00:28:40.440 And the court actually denied my ex parte pending hearing, which was, like, mind-blowing

00:28:45.080 to me and my attorney.

00:28:46.040 They have to take that seriously.

00:28:47.960 If they wanted to punish me later for lying, they could.

00:28:50.400 But they denied it.

00:28:51.700 But thankfully, CPS, San Francisco, California, this is all San Francisco court.

00:28:55.900 I live a little south of there, but more like Santa Cruz.

00:28:58.980 But basically, CPS said, that's okay.

00:29:00.820 We're going to protect the child.

00:29:03.040 You know, and CPS really stepped up in spite of, you know, every accusation against me from

00:29:08.340 the mom and calling me, you know, right-wing and all these crazy ideas.

00:29:13.980 CPS put it aside and just did their job and protected the child.

00:29:17.320 It's kind of wild to hear that because of the assumption about how the government in the

00:29:20.820 Bay Area works, very lefty, to hear that the judge and CPS, do you think that, you know,

00:29:27.880 when you were working with these individuals or speaking with people at CPS, did you think

00:29:31.560 they were being reasonable and honest?

00:29:33.960 Well, so, for example, the first time that we talked about the child endangerment, there

00:29:37.360 was a CPS investigation as well, and they decided to do nothing, and I thought it was

00:29:40.660 very unreasonable.

00:29:41.760 Wow.

00:29:42.040 But I feel like it was divine almost that I got the CPS workers that I did this time

00:29:46.800 because they really took it seriously, and they did not care about politics.

00:29:52.400 They just cared about the safety of the child.

00:29:53.980 They did a very, very thorough investigation, and at the end of it, you know, I had told

00:29:59.500 them everything.

00:30:00.200 Like, I didn't talk to them with attorney present.

00:30:02.100 You know, the mom would only talk to them with attorney as an example.

00:30:05.940 But I just, I showed them the court evidence.

00:30:08.280 I talked to them openly, told them everything, even the gender stuff and how I was uncomfortable

00:30:12.800 with it.

00:30:13.780 Really?

00:30:14.780 Yeah.

00:30:15.320 The fear is usually that when you say something like, I'm uncomfortable about this, they immediately

00:30:18.840 say, okay, we're siding with the gender ideology.

00:30:21.840 Yeah, of course.

00:30:22.800 Yeah, but I just felt like this CPS worker, especially the second one, there's like one

00:30:27.260 that opens the case and then one that kind of does it, the whole investigation.

00:30:31.300 So the second one, it was actually a guy, and he just seemed extremely fair, and I just

00:30:36.680 felt like I was, I decided I was going to be completely open with him.

00:30:39.680 So tell him everything, show him court evidence, all of that.

00:30:42.240 So that's what I did, and you know, it worked out.

00:30:44.880 He said, you know, I won't get into like his opinion of it.

00:30:48.760 I'll just say, he said, like, I don't think that's going to, you know, help your case in

00:30:52.440 court.

00:30:54.580 So it was more focused on like mental health problems, substance abuse, and violence in front

00:30:59.060 of the child, and it was like three or four month investigation where I, a temporary had

00:31:03.480 full custody from CPS, and they have their own court.

00:31:06.140 It's called dependency court.

00:31:07.280 It's a step above family court, and it supersedes anything family court does, and it was coming

00:31:13.380 up to trial.

00:31:14.060 This is only like a month ago, and we actually all settled it before trial.

00:31:17.820 So there's CPS, their attorney, me, my attorney, Sawyer, his attorney, and then mom and her

00:31:22.500 attorney, and we all came to an agreement.

00:31:24.580 CPS's recommendation was full physical legal custody to me with a bunch of safety precautions,

00:31:29.480 and essentially we all agreed to a safe visitation schedule, full physical custody to me, split

00:31:37.540 legal custody, but I have the decision-making ability if there's no agreement, and yeah.

00:31:44.580 So I'm just so, so thankful to CPS.

00:31:47.140 They really put politics aside and did their job in San Francisco, so not everyone is.

00:31:52.280 Yeah.

00:31:52.540 How old is your son now?

00:31:54.300 Four and a half.

00:31:55.160 Four and a half.

00:31:55.840 It's been a long journey.

00:31:57.420 Full time.

00:31:58.040 Full life.

00:31:58.580 Are you worried about the negative impacts of all of this, or have you protected him from

00:32:02.180 it?

00:32:03.420 Do you mean him seeing it online, or just knowing that he's not seen his mom as much?

00:32:07.220 Well, I'm not assuming your four-year-old's on the internet, you know, on the phone, but

00:32:10.920 just the things going on around him, his parents fighting, you know, he's witnessing this

00:32:15.700 stuff, I'd imagine, to a certain degree.

00:32:17.460 Yeah, well, I'm always very careful.

00:32:18.800 I say nothing bad about his mom.

00:32:20.300 I don't think that favor's returned, but I just do my best to just be positive, you

00:32:24.840 know, because that makes him happy, and there's no reason to hurt him.

00:32:28.920 And I mean, I'm sure he's noticed, I'm sure he thinks it's weird that he's no longer seen

00:32:32.760 his mom, except in certain situations way less often.

00:32:35.920 Has he asked?

00:32:39.720 Not really.

00:32:41.140 I mean, he seems to just be thriving in this, like, stable environment he's had for the

00:32:45.300 last four months or so, and just really excelling, not having a lot of temper tantrums, just

00:32:49.460 sort of doing amazing with a good routine and stable environment, not so much back and

00:32:53.540 forth, and who knows what.

00:32:55.420 Is there someone else now in his life that fills that motherly role?

00:32:59.180 Um, I have a wife now that I met because of all this, and she's incredible, and I'd like

00:33:04.440 to think she's, she's doing that, as well as my mom, you know, plays a big part, she

00:33:09.200 really loves Sora too, and so yeah, and then he visits his mom in this safe way, um, so

00:33:16.380 I think that, I think he's gonna have a wonderful life, and I'm thankful.

00:33:20.580 Wait, so he still visits his, his, his mom, does she still try to do that?

00:33:24.740 Right, so she does, but so she's not trying to do the non-binary stuff anymore, or?

00:33:29.380 Well, I don't know what she does during her time with him, obviously I talk to him, he

00:33:33.120 mainly tells me, I would assume she would try to at least a little bit, um, because

00:33:37.240 even during the, the supervised CPS visits that were, like, professionally supervised,

00:33:41.340 ordered, had everything was written down in notes, there was a time even, where I pick

00:33:45.560 him up from the supervised visit, and they were making me drive him to San Francisco, wait

00:33:50.620 three hours and drive back, and it's an hour there, an hour back, twice a week.

00:33:53.840 And I went to pick him up, and the lady that brought him out, because I have a, I have

00:33:59.160 a criminal protective order now, the family court never gave me the restraining order,

00:34:02.220 but the criminal court in my county, Santa Clara, took it seriously, the violation of

00:34:06.180 the temporary restraining order, and gave me a criminal protective order, which I'm

00:34:09.800 thankful for, and it's actually stronger than a family court one, but so, like, she doesn't

00:34:13.600 bring him out to me in that case, so the lady brought him out to me and was like, oh,

00:34:17.900 I just wanted to tell you too, like, there's some glitter on him, it's just from his mom,

00:34:20.680 and I was like, okay, and I thought nothing of it, but then I received the notes, because

00:34:24.840 me and the CPS worker receive all the notes, and my attorney later on, and it was because

00:34:28.880 she was putting it on him.

00:34:32.420 Yeah.

00:34:33.180 Yeah, so they, at least the visitation people were open to it, and that was definitely scary,

00:34:39.380 I brought it up, of course, to my CPS worker, and to the boss at that place, and how that's

00:34:44.440 not really okay, and they were nice, but they didn't do anything about it, as far as I could

00:34:52.140 tell.

00:34:52.520 Are you countering this by making him watch action movies and lift weights or anything

00:34:55.420 like that?

00:34:55.980 He does work out with me a lot, and he does some jiu-jitsu, and he just loves, like, he's

00:35:00.520 like, just such a boy's boy, like hockey and football, and fireworks, and Blink-182,

00:35:05.820 he literally loves all of it.

00:35:06.840 Did you, Blink-182?

00:35:07.920 I swear to God, yeah, he could sing with us, but yeah.

00:35:11.060 Before we started the show, Harrison grabbed the guitar and started playing Damn It by

00:35:14.180 Blink-182, so I imagine that's some of your influence, but for the, like, the liking

00:35:18.580 sports, is this because you put sports on and had him watch it, or is it just, he started

00:35:23.740 asking about it, how do you think that, do you think it's your influence that makes

00:35:26.800 him want to do these things?

00:35:28.040 I would think it's a combination of both, I think he innately goes towards these sort

00:35:32.060 of boyish things, and that also the other things I love, so of course we do them

00:35:35.880 together, like, we go to San Jose Sharks games, or 49er game, or whatever, and he's

00:35:40.160 into it.

00:35:41.140 Yeah.

00:35:41.720 You know, I think he wants to be just like me, he's like my mini-me, it's kind of an

00:35:44.760 incredible thing to have someone love you so unconditionally, and, like, want to be

00:35:48.700 just like you, and mimic you.

00:35:49.940 Yeah, that's what kids do.

00:35:50.840 A beautiful, like, crazy thing that I hope everyone gets to experience.

00:35:54.760 Well, this is the scary thing, because, and it's true, kids, this is what human beings

00:35:59.460 do.

00:35:59.920 At a young age, kids are trying to learn to be adults, and you've got people who are

00:36:05.020 so heavily influenced by this internet culture, this ideology, the kids are just trying to

00:36:12.200 do what the parents tell them they're supposed to be doing.

00:36:14.320 And so there are a lot of kids, you know, in this instance where the parents are like,

00:36:17.840 hey, you want this, don't you?

00:36:19.080 And the kid's like, sure, because, you know, this is what my parents are telling me I should

00:36:22.140 be doing.

00:36:23.240 And then you might end up with very scary scenarios.

00:36:26.660 I think the Jazz Jennings scenario, to me, is particularly scary, because anyone who's

00:36:33.480 actually followed the news around Jazz can see the severe depression, the morbid obesity.

00:36:38.500 You know, Jazz started their transition at seven years old, I think it was, doing this

00:36:44.560 TV show, and then undergoing puberty blockers and multiple surgeries that were botched and

00:36:49.300 had complications.

00:36:50.680 And I think the thing that worries me the most about the Jazz Jennings story, that for

00:36:55.060 some reason, the fans of the show just don't even think about Jazz coming out later saying

00:37:00.220 that they were pansexual.

00:37:02.940 Which says to me one of two things.

00:37:04.740 By not undergoing puberty, Jazz has not developed the capability of attraction enough to understand

00:37:12.080 what it is to have an attraction between male, male, male, female, female, female, whatever

00:37:16.060 it is you might be.

00:37:17.260 When humans go through puberty and start developing the ability to have attraction, you know, people

00:37:21.140 know what that feels like.

00:37:22.600 For some people, it can feel so intense when it's not reciprocated, you get very depressed.

00:37:27.880 It's a very powerful feeling.

00:37:29.560 I'm wondering if Jazz is saying that they're pansexual because Jazz actually can't discern between

00:37:34.560 the normal feeling, like having never experienced attraction at all, everyone, it all feels

00:37:41.060 the same no matter what.

00:37:42.760 Right.

00:37:43.160 Well, this interesting point I want to bring up too, I don't want to not give Sawyer this

00:37:45.920 credit.

00:37:46.420 He's never bought into this, at least with me, and it seems very honest.

00:37:50.480 So he's always adamantly said he's a boy this entire time.

00:37:54.040 And if you say anything else, I'll scream at you.

00:37:55.920 His mother even sent me messages on the court app acknowledging that they've gotten fights,

00:38:01.340 trying to blame me, you know, be like, Sawyer's saying I'm a girl and he's a boy and

00:38:04.460 blah, blah, blah, it's all your fault.

00:38:06.200 He bit me and all this stuff like that.

00:38:09.300 Yeah.

00:38:09.540 So he, and if you call him girly in any way, he gets upset.

00:38:12.400 He's totally never bought into it.

00:38:13.580 I'm so thankful he has that rebellious spirit like me.

00:38:16.540 And it's just, I'm thankful I was able to guide him with truth and love.

00:38:21.160 And there's been coercion too, because you said that, like parents.

00:38:24.460 So as an example, he told me this story and there's actually multiple stories similar,

00:38:28.360 but the main one that people seem interested in is he went to Disneyland with his mom and

00:38:33.180 she had told me she was taking him to Disneyland and he told me about it after.

00:38:36.640 And he was like, yeah, dada, when I was at Disneyland, I couldn't go on the rides unless

00:38:40.960 I wore my princess shoes.

00:38:42.260 And I didn't want to wear princess shoes.

00:38:43.660 I wanted to wear boy shoes.

00:38:45.400 Wow.

00:38:45.680 And it's like to not let a kid go on rides at Disneyland unless they wear the shoes you

00:38:50.240 want them to wear seems unimaginable.

00:38:53.380 Is this like Munchausen syndrome by proxy or something?

00:38:55.560 Well, I won't make like a clinician claim, but I would say that if it's not, it should

00:39:00.280 probably at least be considered to consider that it could be.

00:39:03.660 Yeah, there is that a lot.

00:39:05.400 We do see.

00:39:06.380 So I always kind of, we can look at the different types of parents.

00:39:09.620 You have like Chloe's parents who are manipulated into going into this.

00:39:13.020 And then we do call this trans housing by proxy for that same reason, because it's moms.

00:39:17.900 And this is actually why the Southern Poverty Law Center knows my name is because I make

00:39:21.920 this claim is that traditionally the affluent white female liberal, they've been told so

00:39:31.320 much through critical theory that they are an oppressor and there's no way to escape that

00:39:35.600 oppressor status, right?

00:39:37.240 And so now they see their child and they go, I can make my child trans and then show my friends

00:39:42.740 how good of a parent I am.

00:39:44.220 And now we are in an oppressed status.

00:39:46.920 And now being an oppressed status is, it's celebrated in our society now.

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00:41:19.300 Yeah, well, what's the end result then?

00:41:25.380 Where do we go?

00:41:26.520 If this kind of thing is pervasive on the left, this is why I was saying in the intro to the

00:41:30.580 show that the connection in the political space, I don't think the Democrats actually

00:41:36.020 have a care for this at all.

00:41:38.000 It's just, is it popular online?

00:41:39.780 Okay, we get votes.

00:41:40.960 On the right, there's a moral outrage.

00:41:43.480 When you look at things like in Florida that don't, they call it the don't say gay, I

00:41:47.320 call it the don't say straight bill.

00:41:48.760 You guys familiar with don't say straight?

00:41:50.640 So there was this bill in Florida that said you are not allowed to talk about adult things

00:41:55.900 with kids in third grade or younger.

00:41:58.980 And Democrats said the bill was called don't say gay, despite the fact the bill would bar

00:42:03.420 a teacher from talking about heterosexual parents all the same.

00:42:06.420 So I call it don't say straight because if that's the game they want to play, it's the

00:42:08.580 exact same thing.

00:42:09.280 But the issue at hand was, hey, you shouldn't be going in private to third graders and talking

00:42:15.500 to them about their gender and sexuality and reproduction and things like that.

00:42:19.760 Sex ed is, you know, when I was in grade school, fifth grade permission slipped to the parents

00:42:24.060 first.

00:42:24.920 The parents would decide if this was appropriate.

00:42:26.560 We had a couple kids in our class.

00:42:28.340 Their parents said, we're going to take care of this on our own and we don't want the school

00:42:31.800 to do it because we don't know if they're going to be teaching the kid.

00:42:33.660 And no one cared.

00:42:35.160 No one cared.

00:42:35.460 Now you've got this weird phenomenon where teachers are like trying to intentionally

00:42:40.020 get children in private away from their parents.

00:42:42.540 And in blue states, they're passing laws where the school cannot inform the parents if the

00:42:47.440 kid is saying something.

00:42:49.180 California is one of them.

00:42:50.080 They're going full force with this.

00:42:52.020 Yeah, I helped write the bill in Louisiana, which was also deemed a don't say gay bill.

00:42:56.760 And all it actually did was force the schools to get written permission before they used

00:43:01.960 a name, a different name and pronoun for the child.

00:43:05.200 That's all it really did.

00:43:06.220 And then it was also, I believe it also made it an opt-in system.

00:43:09.880 So if you wanted your kids to learn gender identity from the school, you actually had

00:43:13.380 to sign in and a permission slip as well for that.

00:43:16.200 But that was also deemed don't say gay and was vetoed by the governor as well.

00:43:21.560 Wow.

00:43:21.900 Wait, in what state?

00:43:23.040 Louisiana.

00:43:23.600 So this is an old Democrat governor.

00:43:24.960 They just got a new Republican.

00:43:26.460 The Democrat vetoed it.

00:43:27.720 Well, I tell you, this is why I think, and this is what the Republicans and the conservatives

00:43:32.800 do.

00:43:33.640 They always take the neutral approach and then get accused of taking the far right approach.

00:43:37.740 Okay.

00:43:38.260 So the example I like to give is, man, this gender ideology stuff goes way back.

00:43:42.240 When I was on Joe Rogan's show with the Twitter executives, they had a misgendering policy.

00:43:49.420 If somebody has a preferred pronoun and you use the wrong one, they will ban you.

00:43:53.580 They will give you a strike.

00:43:54.320 They will suspend your account.

00:43:55.260 But I'm like, well, that's bias to a conservative to misgender would be to call them by a pronoun

00:44:02.100 or a gender that they are not biologically to the liberal progressive.

00:44:05.820 It's if you're calling them by a pronoun, they don't choose to be called by.

00:44:08.940 So those are the two, two worldviews right now.

00:44:11.100 The conservatives didn't ask for that.

00:44:13.500 The conservatives asked for let people say what they want to say.

00:44:16.480 If they're left and want to be called she, her, he, him, that's fine.

00:44:19.120 But let conservatives say what they want to say too.

00:44:21.480 And Twitter said, no, that's far right.

00:44:23.440 And the media says that's far right.

00:44:24.880 And so when you're saying it should be an opt-in system, I'm wondering if maybe you need to go big ask, right?

00:44:29.460 That's that's the Trump art of the deal.

00:44:32.200 Ask for 10 times more than you want and then settle for what you actually wanted.

00:44:35.560 So the bill should actually be saying it should it is it is banned outright to discuss gender ideology.

00:44:41.700 And then when they go, oh, heavens, heavens, you say, OK, fine.

00:44:45.820 How about we settle with opt-in?

00:44:48.360 Parents can choose if they're kids to do it, but they can't put it on the kid unless the parents agree first.

00:44:52.980 Yeah, when I was working on that bill, I actually it was it was interesting because I did actually just tell the representative.

00:44:58.740 I said, you know, honestly, I would rather you just have a school choice bill.

00:45:03.420 And if you want to send your kids to a woke school, then do it.

00:45:06.880 If you don't, then you can send them to a conservative school.

00:45:09.100 But I'd rather that.

00:45:10.000 But if we're going to work on this bill, let's make sure it's right.

00:45:11.900 You know, even then, it's right.

00:45:14.920 It's it's this is what's it's unfortunate because that's the honest approach.

00:45:19.420 It's the rational approach.

00:45:20.540 It's the compromising approach.

00:45:22.440 But the right just keeps compromising.

00:45:24.700 I'm I'll be honest with you, Tim.

00:45:26.140 I'm in California in the Bay Area.

00:45:27.800 And so is Chloe.

00:45:28.480 And I just know countless Democrats and people.

00:45:31.600 I haven't even met someone, you know, other than my son's mom, I guess.

00:45:34.220 But literally everyone is against this.

00:45:35.960 Nobody wants kids transitioning, you know, whether it's surgery or hormones under 18 at all.

00:45:40.640 No one wants secrets from parents.

00:45:42.140 No one want guys and girls sports.

00:45:43.800 Everyone's against it.

00:45:45.140 Even the Democrats.

00:45:46.040 I mean, I'll be there at the Capitol and you'll watch Democrat after Democrat.

00:45:48.560 I'm a lifelong, you know, lesbian Democrat in San Francisco.

00:45:51.500 And I oppose this bill.

00:45:52.840 And it's just crazy.

00:45:53.700 And I've tried using their logic against them.

00:45:55.600 Like you're saying, there was a bill last year that I testified for AB 957.

00:45:59.900 And it was to demand family courts basically give custody to the affirming parent of a kid's gender identity or expression.

00:46:06.680 And I kept telling them, like, OK, I'm going to be the first person to win custody from it then because Sawyer says he's a boy.

00:46:13.500 So his mom's the non-affirming one.

00:46:15.240 Oh, right.

00:46:15.800 And interestingly, that's actually kind of what Newsom said for videoing it.

00:46:19.020 He was worried that conservatives would use it the other way around.

00:46:23.220 Think about this, too, because you're absolutely right.

00:46:25.480 And the polls show it.

00:46:26.520 The Harvard-Harris poll did.

00:46:28.200 I think they've only done it one time that I could find.

00:46:30.420 But they did pull this.

00:46:31.280 They said, do you think that children should be able to transition under the age of 18?

00:46:34.840 Even 68 percent of Democrats said no.

00:46:37.200 So it's not a popular thing.

00:46:38.800 It's only popular, like you said, online.

00:46:40.300 And politicians are just looking at what's going on online.

00:46:43.020 But also you talk about Newsom vetoing that bill.

00:46:45.480 Think about this, too.

00:46:46.200 And this is actually what's on the next election is that Tim Walsh signed in a bill that forces them to take custody issue, take issue in custody issues, take in if the parents is affirming of gender as well.

00:46:58.240 So Tim Walsh is actually more radical than Gavin Newsom.

00:47:03.580 So think about that for a second.

00:47:04.600 Big statement.

00:47:05.300 The scary thing, I think, out of all of this is, you know, you guys mentioned Democrats don't even want this.

00:47:10.000 But there are several states where I believe it.

00:47:13.300 Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:47:14.400 You guys fact check me in the audience.

00:47:15.880 But I think in Washington, this was the big deal, that if a third party took a child from a different state and brought them to Washington for a sex change, you could not prosecute the person who did that.

00:47:26.620 Same goes for California.

00:47:27.520 So that's true.

00:47:28.560 So that means a groomer online, like an actual child predator, can go to a chat room, talk to a kid in Oklahoma, say, get on that bus and I'll meet you in Arizona, bring them to California, and the state will not prosecute that individual.

00:47:40.520 Yeah.

00:47:40.700 And think about it, too.

00:47:41.440 Like, even Virginia.

00:47:42.860 Remember, Virginia was unable to pass Sage's law.

00:47:47.180 Which was that?

00:47:47.720 So Sage was the one who ran away from home, was found in a closet, and then they put her in a boy's home.

00:47:53.060 Right.

00:47:53.340 And unspeakable things.

00:47:55.760 Yeah.

00:47:56.280 And then they were still not letting her back with her parents because they were not gender affirming.

00:48:01.260 And this is in Virginia with a Republican governor.

00:48:04.320 And she was found as far south as Texas, right, before she was returned home?

00:48:07.220 So she was found, I think, in northern Virginia the first time, and I think the boy's home was in Texas that they put her in.

00:48:14.660 It was something weird like that.

00:48:15.680 I do remember Texas being part of that because that was, what, two years ago, maybe?

00:48:19.700 Two to three years, yeah.

00:48:20.560 Even in Virginia.

00:48:23.680 Yeah.

00:48:24.240 That's crazy.

00:48:25.120 Yeah.

00:48:25.280 So I have a, my concern, I suppose, is these kids that are going through this, you guys are familiar with the John Money story?

00:48:34.920 Yeah.

00:48:36.180 Massively well-known, yet for some reason, I don't know if, it should be known more.

00:48:42.300 And for those that aren't familiar, this is a, I mean, this is the guy, basically, he's the guy who coined the term gender, isn't it?

00:48:47.460 I think so, yeah.

00:48:48.120 He's known as the father of gender ideology, yeah.

00:48:51.580 He claimed that gender was a learned behavior and that kids only adopt these things because they're told to act a certain way.

00:48:59.660 So he took, there were two twins, and one had a botched circumcision.

00:49:04.080 So he told the parents to raise the one with the botched circumcision as a girl and give him hormones and then did unspeakable things to these children, forcing them to simulate acts on each other and things like that.

00:49:15.720 Both of them committed suicide.

00:49:17.080 And they forced this transition on this male, and upon discovering that this transition was forced, he immediately stopped the hormones, reverted back to a male identity, and this is a, I mean, it's horrifying that we've seen the data.

00:49:31.780 This stuff doesn't work.

00:49:32.560 You can't do this to people.

00:49:33.840 My concern is when you look at that story, and conservatives know the story, are we going to see these kids who are told by their parents to undergo either castration, some kind of sterilization, hormonal treatments,

00:49:47.080 are they going to become suicidal later in life because of what happened to them?

00:49:51.840 I mean, I've connected with a lot of other e-trenchners, many of whom have transitioned as children like I have, and it's very similar to the outcomes that they have.

00:50:02.060 Many of them end up suicidal because they've lost parts of their sex organs.

00:50:05.920 They've lost their reproductive systems.

00:50:07.240 They're not capable of normal sexual function, and they're never going to have a normal romantic or sexual relationship in their life.

00:50:13.580 They'll never know what that's like.

00:50:15.260 Yeah.

00:50:15.420 And they're just realizing that as they're going to their adulthoods.

00:50:18.160 This is crazy.

00:50:20.100 You know, I think it was Helena Kirshner saying that Planned Parenthood was the ones who gave her the hormones, and now we're hearing that Planned Parenthood is one of the largest providers.

00:50:29.280 I don't know if that's true, but that they are doing a lot of this gender transition stuff.

00:50:35.340 Why?

00:50:36.280 I saw yesterday a lawsuit against them from a transitioner that got one 30-minute session and then got maximum hormones, if I recall correctly, after one 30-minute session.

00:50:47.240 As a minor or?

00:50:49.020 I'm not sure, actually.

00:50:50.500 I want to say maybe.

00:50:51.180 That's the question.

00:50:51.740 I don't know because I don't know anywhere that you can actually get informed consent on minors.

00:50:57.180 They do generally – it's generally pencil-whipped therapist letters and stuff like that, but they are still having to go through that process.

00:51:04.840 I don't know in any state that it's legal to do informed consent on minors.

00:51:08.960 Yeah, man.

00:51:09.620 Elon – you guys saw the Elon Musk story?

00:51:11.660 Hero.

00:51:12.580 Hero.

00:51:13.480 I mean, Elon Musk has done such tremendously awesome stuff, so I'll just give him a shout-out in that regard.

00:51:17.700 I don't think people realize how big buying X really was going to be.

00:51:22.540 It's like one thing to get your account back to talk online, but then winning that – find that lawsuit against the advertisers trying to do these boycotts on all these different platforms, and then they disband because of it.

00:51:32.660 And also, he's going to send people to Mars.

00:51:34.220 That's also really awesome.

00:51:35.480 But you know what I think happened with Elon?

00:51:38.020 Elon had a son, Xavier, who he says he was tricked into giving hormones when Xavier was a minor.

00:51:46.060 And it's this lie they use.

00:51:48.440 They say you can have a dead son or a living daughter.

00:51:53.060 That's the exact lie that they fed my mom and dad.

00:51:55.820 Wow.

00:51:56.400 That's the lie that these doctors and these psychologists and physicians use to rope these parents into this, to feel like they're backed into a corner, like they don't have any other choice.

00:52:06.020 Because they're threatened with the life of their child.

00:52:07.780 It's one of the biggest fears that a parent could ever have.

00:52:10.800 And we know now that it's the opposite of the truth.

00:52:12.740 Because it's Orwellian, CAST files, WPATH files, we see that literally the data shows that it's actually the suicide rate goes up if they were to transition.

00:52:21.360 I wasn't suicidal until I started medically transitioning.

00:52:23.900 They lied to my mom and dad.

00:52:25.260 Wow.

00:52:25.560 They never talked to him.

00:52:26.640 They didn't allow my mom and dad into the room while I was having these therapy and psychology appointments, actually.

00:52:31.700 So my mom and dad didn't really – they had no idea what was actually going on in my head or what was being discussed with these doctors.

00:52:38.680 What do your parents think now?

00:52:43.080 They feel like they were lied to you.

00:52:44.780 They think it's all crap.

00:52:47.600 It's kind of worrying where this all leads to, again, because I was saying, like you mentioned, you weren't suicidal until you started the transition.

00:52:55.280 And that makes me worried about what they're doing to people and what that will lead to because there was a – I think it was a Reddit forum that got banned.

00:53:03.900 It was a Reddit forum dedicated to people who were talking about their transition experiences, how they were negative.

00:53:09.720 It ended up getting shut down.

00:53:10.980 So they started a website.

00:53:11.820 The website got shut down.

00:53:12.760 But these stories were really terrifying.

00:53:15.340 One story that I read was – it was a man, a male, who was I think somewhere between like 18 to 20 years old, sitting on the gurney in the hospital about to undergo sex reassignment surgery, removal of the gonad and the penis and all that stuff.

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00:55:00.300 And he wrote how he didn't feel like it was right.

00:55:05.800 He was scared and started vocalizing, saying this to his family who was with him.

00:55:11.300 I don't think I should do this.

00:55:12.420 Maybe I should stop.

00:55:13.060 And they kept saying, you're so brave.

00:55:14.700 You're so brave.

00:55:15.460 You should do this.

00:55:16.540 And the doctors were like, no, no, this is normal.

00:55:18.860 People get jitters all the time.

00:55:20.420 This is what you need to do.

00:55:21.920 Remember how bad it was.

00:55:23.240 And this is what is going to solve your problem.

00:55:24.880 And then upon receiving the surgery, he was saying he's bedridden, can't walk, has infections constantly, struggles to move because the pain is so great.

00:55:33.100 He wrote that having a surgical graft, you know, in your pelvic area is not something that can heal properly, that allow you to function without pain.

00:55:43.280 And was basically saying, the smell is horrible.

00:55:47.140 I can't live this way anymore.

00:55:48.920 And a lot of these posts on the site were people who are very much talking about committing self-harm.

00:55:55.300 So I brought this up.

00:55:56.460 We've had lefties, you know, pro-gender ideology people on the show.

00:55:59.540 So, and I've asked them, desistance rates, according to the science that we have now, it's greater than 50%.

00:56:07.960 Let's just settle on that.

00:56:09.840 Some say 60, I think the issue is like 65 to like 90% or something around the numbers.

00:56:15.920 Different studies have given different results.

00:56:17.200 But typically when a child goes through puberty, they desist.

00:56:20.040 That doesn't mean detransition.

00:56:21.640 It means they're experiencing gender dysphoria.

00:56:23.960 They go through puberty.

00:56:25.380 Everything's fine.

00:56:26.120 They're normal.

00:56:26.620 And they live their lives normally.

00:56:27.980 If we know for a fact that people who are trans have a higher rate of depression and suicidality or suicidal ideation,

00:56:35.860 and we know for a fact that there's a greater than chance percentage of individuals who desist,

00:56:41.220 that would mean that transitioning kids increases the rate of suicidal ideation and suicidality.

00:56:46.920 In which case, the appropriate response base in the science is puberty, do nothing.

00:56:52.420 But there's no answer.

00:56:53.680 They just come out and deny the science at this point.

00:56:55.620 And they say, oh, the desistance studies are faulty.

00:56:58.180 Yeah, they always go after the cast review right now.

00:57:00.520 That's the big thing, right?

00:57:01.420 All the leftist trans activists are going after the cast review.

00:57:04.980 But you're right, and it's interesting.

00:57:07.980 You brought up Jez Jennings earlier, too, in knowing that a lot of people that started puberty blocker before puberty and went on to fully transition are asexual,

00:57:18.520 so they don't have any sex drive because they never learned it, like you said, or their body never produced the hormones to have that.

00:57:25.900 And I think there's a lot to do with this, too.

00:57:27.940 And we can talk about the other comorbidities, like the high autism rate and other comorbidities, other mental health issues that come with this.

00:57:37.000 And I start to think that there is something going on when it comes to the World Economic Forum and kind of go down that conspiracy rabbit hole to think, what are they doing?

00:57:48.540 Is this part of the plan to sterilize these people that they see as, you know, undesirable?

00:57:55.500 They want to, under the guise of being, you know, compassionate.

00:58:00.620 I don't know.

00:58:01.260 I don't know.

00:58:03.140 I think it's reasonable to question something like that.

00:58:06.020 But it really doesn't make sense.

00:58:09.860 And then the cure, so you transition children, they end up having even more mental health issues.

00:58:16.760 And then what?

00:58:18.460 Then Big Pharma now, again, can step in and throw SSRIs at these children.

00:58:22.660 And now we see even just a ton of SSRIs being used on kids, more than we've ever seen.

00:58:27.680 So why are children just in general so much more, like, mentally unstable than we were?

00:58:33.240 It's actually precisely what happened to me.

00:58:34.840 So they started me on the puberty blockers, the testosterone at 13.

00:58:39.580 And then I think, like, going into my early sophomore year, I was just incredibly depressed.

00:58:47.060 Like, I was becoming suicidal.

00:58:49.080 I was, like, my friends were concerned about me.

00:58:51.920 And they actually reported me to the guidance counselor at school and they reported home.

00:58:55.720 And I started seeing a therapist again after years of, like, a therapist not following up with me during my transition.

00:59:00.280 And they just threw antidepressants and stimulants at me to – it was an off-label antidepressant, actually.

00:59:06.320 It was bupropion, which actually has, like, a huge black box label warning for use in children under the age of 18.

00:59:11.080 Because it can actually increase feelings of suicidality, which is exactly what I was being prescribed it for.

00:59:17.360 It made me worse.

00:59:18.460 It was terrible to be on and to come off of.

00:59:21.360 They put me on stimulants to address my low grades from the depression.

00:59:24.340 And they never really questioned whether any of this might have to do with the lifestyle that I was living.

00:59:30.620 And, of course, the supplemental topical estrogen to treat the atrophy.

00:59:35.720 I think the reason why we see a lot of this stuff is that kids are easy targets for pharmaceuticals.

00:59:41.000 So if you're trying to sell a product, you've got some big pharmaceutical, you want the insurance companies to pay for it, you want to mass pump it out.

00:59:46.940 But it's easy to bring a kid to a room, separate from the parents, and say, we're doing this.

00:59:51.780 The kid wants it, and the parents have no say.

00:59:53.540 It's a medical need.

00:59:55.160 So they can sell something very easily.

00:59:56.940 Right.

00:59:57.420 And the parents just go along with it.

00:59:59.220 Which also happened to me when I was younger.

01:00:00.580 I think I was about, like – I think I was 10 when they first put me on ADHD medication.

01:00:06.420 Wow.

01:00:06.940 Terrible.

01:00:08.020 I hate being on it.

01:00:09.300 I think it's important, though, to mention that we talk about what's the endgame, what's the solution.

01:00:16.240 And I talk quite a bit about how – I mean, all of us in here are kind of – we work on legislation.

01:00:22.320 We work with legislators across the country speaking on bills and everything like that.

01:00:25.400 That's all well and good, but you're not going to be able to pass it in states like California, like where you all live.

01:00:30.760 Not yet.

01:00:32.060 But my point is that I think both of your lawsuits are so important for different reasons, right?

01:00:39.820 I think, Chloe, your lawsuit along with Prisha's and Luca's and all the other detransition lawsuits are so important because what that does is it – it de-incentivizes doctors from wanting to be able to perform this.

01:00:54.100 If it's going to hit them in their pocketbook, they're not going to want to do it.

01:00:56.580 And we've actually seen this.

01:00:57.580 We've seen it with – we've seen it with insurance companies.

01:01:01.020 Even in states where it is legal to perform these procedures, malpractice insurance companies are going, you know what, we're not going to cover you if you perform this stuff, even in those states.

01:01:10.920 So that's what your lawsuits are doing.

01:01:12.480 That's why I think – that's what's going to win the war.

01:01:15.460 And then your lawsuit as well is what's – it's showing that, you know, parents – you know, well, one, men have rights when it comes to custody battles.

01:01:26.260 I think that's a huge thing, especially in California.

01:01:28.600 Like when I told your story to somebody, they said – they were like, you could have just stopped at dad wins full custody in California and it would have been a feat, right?

01:01:36.560 But I also think that it's raising the issues and it's showing that, you know, you can't hide behind the courts.

01:01:42.880 If you won in California, what do you think about all the other parents that have these, you know, trans housing moms that are trying to transition their children as well?

01:01:50.020 I think that is going to – it's going to ripple, especially across the country.

01:01:54.380 We have to hold these parents and doctors accountable.

01:01:57.080 Something has to happen.

01:01:58.080 We have to win the culture.

01:01:59.240 That's the way we're going to get rid of this.

01:02:01.240 And we are winning.

01:02:02.040 Like we have the momentum.

01:02:03.060 We have the high ground.

01:02:04.480 We just need to keep pushing forward.

01:02:05.500 This stuff is going to be gone within the next 10 years.

01:02:08.820 You see all the other countries starting to ban it and us in Canada moving forward for no reason.

01:02:13.960 We're going to win this.

01:02:15.180 And I think that people need to really dig deep inside themselves and start thinking about what they're going to tell their kids and their grandkids about them standing up for truth in this battle.

01:02:24.900 The craziest thing to me, though, is the – where was all of this 50 years ago?

01:02:31.260 Where was all of this 100 years ago?

01:02:32.580 Where – 200 years ago, where are the history books talking about the child at the church screaming that he was a boy or – or that he was a girl and that she was a boy or whatever?

01:02:42.680 These things only recently began to exist as the internet begins to emerge.

01:02:46.800 And, you know, I think Bill Maher brought this up, much that I will criticize him for his lack of knowledge on so many other topics.

01:02:53.600 He said, when you look at California and you have these really high rates and you look at Ohio and you don't, it's likely something we're doing.

01:03:03.320 It's, you know, not a natural phenomenon.

01:03:06.060 It's not something that exists.

01:03:06.920 It's clearly California kids versus Ohio kids are being raised differently.

01:03:10.580 There's different social orders.

01:03:12.640 I think the terrifying thing is kids should not be on the internet.

01:03:17.240 And there are – when we're talking about this stuff, you know, and Chloe, you're mentioning, you know, you're like 11, you're going online, you're seeing this.

01:03:24.980 Helena Kirchner said very much the same thing.

01:03:26.880 A lot of parents are seeing this stuff, too.

01:03:30.260 And I'll mention that the Jazz Jennings show is really horrifying.

01:03:33.860 Any sane, rational person who watches that, like, the mother talks about – like, I could only describe this as rape.

01:03:40.540 The mother describes raping Jazz or threatening to rape Jazz.

01:03:43.540 Because – so you have a clip –

01:03:46.620 Forcing him to dilate, right?

01:03:48.240 Waking Jazz up with a phallic object and saying, stick it in or I will.

01:03:53.660 I'm not kidding.

01:03:54.280 This is not an exaggeration.

01:03:55.540 Jazz Jennings' mother said, I wake Jazz up and I'll take it myself and I will – unless you do it.

01:04:01.660 I mean, like, I don't know how to – oh, no, it's a medical treatment.

01:04:05.520 I'm like, yeah, okay.

01:04:06.980 I mean –

01:04:07.940 On video?

01:04:08.600 She admits it.

01:04:08.860 On video.

01:04:09.620 On the show.

01:04:10.060 It was on TLC, yeah.

01:04:11.180 On TLC.

01:04:12.300 And I'll – actually, I'll pull the clip up in a second.

01:04:15.200 If Jazz Jennings is saying, like, I don't want to do this, it is insane the parent is saying, do it or else.

01:04:21.700 I will take this, lube it up, and, you know, man, this stuff is nightmarish.

01:04:25.900 That's not even the worst of it, too.

01:04:27.200 There is the clip of Jazz saying, I just want to be myself.

01:04:30.960 Like, what is she saying in that clip?

01:04:32.620 I – it doesn't make any sense.

01:04:35.060 That's how I used to talk at the very, very end of my tranchion.

01:04:38.640 Mm-hmm.

01:04:38.920 I think this is the clip right here.

01:04:41.060 It's like, you know, I love X because I just Google searched it and put X.com, and then this pops right up.

01:04:48.480 But with her, I'm worried about, like, her mental well-being and her dilation.

01:04:55.880 The minute she leaves my house, we have a dilation problem.

01:04:59.420 That is a concern.

01:05:00.700 When you don't have that watchful eye, they tend to go back to old patterns.

01:05:05.160 I have woken Jazz out of a dead sleep and taken the dilator and put the lubrication on it and said, here, you take this and you put it in your vagina.

01:05:13.580 If not, I will.

01:05:14.780 But Jazz is bad, even when I'm home once a day.

01:05:17.540 I would be so mad if she goes away to college and that thing seals up.

01:05:22.440 I would wring her neck.

01:05:24.360 This is in Florida.

01:05:25.800 I don't know how this woman's not in prison.

01:05:27.340 Prison.

01:05:27.520 She publicly admitted to threaten to jam a phallic object into the body of another person under the guise of it's medical treatment.

01:05:36.260 And wring their neck.

01:05:37.060 And wring their neck.

01:05:38.440 Threat, like, what is the joke here?

01:05:41.560 Could you imagine if a man said, I have woken my wife up from a dead sleep and said, stick it in or I'll strike.

01:05:47.180 Like, that's insane.

01:05:49.260 But it's a medical treatment.

01:05:51.760 That's crazy that we're here.

01:05:53.560 You know, I was I was watching TV like the other day and there was some commercial on for some drug that I can't remember what it was because I don't really pay attention to these drug commercials.

01:06:04.440 But it was like there's a there's a common drug that people are taking for a specific thing that causes a side effect.

01:06:11.460 So now they're marketing another drug for to cover up the side effect of the other drug.

01:06:15.800 And it said that I can't remember what it was.

01:06:20.040 It probably should pay more attention.

01:06:21.100 But it was like, are you suffering side effects from taking whatever?

01:06:25.120 Then maybe whatever is right for you.

01:06:27.200 And one of the side effects was thoughts of extreme violence and harm against others or something like that.

01:06:32.640 I'm like, there there are drugs that make you want to hurt other people.

01:06:37.100 So they need to give you other drugs to make you not want to do that.

01:06:39.880 You know, I'm I'm off seed oils.

01:06:42.940 That's it.

01:06:44.100 They're all they're all right.

01:06:45.460 RFK Jr. is right about the phthalates and the chemicals and whatever it is.

01:06:49.140 I think people just got to go back to eating less processed garbage and having better diets and all of that stuff, because this stuff's freaking me out now.

01:06:58.080 But I will I will stress this, too, during the primary for the GOP.

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01:08:57.120 And say, we'd like to speak with Jazz privately if that's okay.

01:09:00.320 Just there's no one's in trouble.

01:09:01.660 We just, you know, have some concerns.

01:09:03.540 And then and then talk it through.

01:09:05.340 And maybe that's all you need.

01:09:06.820 But I do kind of feel like this video right here is a crime.

01:09:13.700 You know, let's put it this way.

01:09:15.800 Jazz's mother saying, I've woken up Jazz from a dead sleep and said, you take this.

01:09:20.700 If not, I will put it in you.

01:09:23.660 It's a medical procedure.

01:09:24.540 What if what if there was an individual who had a who was diabetic?

01:09:29.820 Would you be allowed to threaten to wring their neck unless they let you inject them against their will?

01:09:35.340 I still don't think that's the case.

01:09:37.000 Even if someone is prescribed insulin and they need it.

01:09:39.480 I don't think another person can threaten to wring your neck in the middle of the night unless you let them inject you with medication.

01:09:46.260 It's still your choice as an adult.

01:09:47.860 The argument they made as to why they shouldn't, you know, everyone's like, no, they can't do that because Jazz is an adult.

01:09:53.440 And I'm like, that's actually more reason that it's criminal.

01:09:57.660 If you when you have a child who has a medical treatment, it's actually the parent's responsibility to make sure the child's treatment is being followed.

01:10:02.820 If we're talking about a grown adult who's refusing to engage in a certain practice and you're threatening violence against them.

01:10:08.920 This is serious domestic abuse.

01:10:12.120 That's terrifying.

01:10:13.120 And it's experimental.

01:10:14.100 It's not really a medical treatment.

01:10:16.260 Well, look, let's operate in the assumption that this woman thinks it is and the doctors say it is.

01:10:21.380 Doesn't matter.

01:10:22.340 Doesn't matter if it is or isn't.

01:10:24.020 Jazz Jennings is an adult who has chosen not to engage in a certain practice.

01:10:27.860 That is not a life or death thing.

01:10:29.920 Actually, it may be at this point because there's a there's there's the potential that if it closes up, it creates a pocket inside which infects.

01:10:37.000 Then you die of sepsis.

01:10:37.800 Yes. So there's that argument.

01:10:40.140 But I believe this woman, Jazz Jennings mother, is an abuser, a very serious abuser who should be in prison right now.

01:10:46.760 But conservatives are too weak to actually go up against this.

01:10:49.780 Like I said, if this video was a guy saying he woke up his wife or to know his daughter.

01:10:55.200 Imagine that.

01:10:55.920 Imagine a dad said I wake my daughter up and say you stick this in you.

01:10:59.060 The guy would be in prison.

01:10:59.920 Two seconds, two seconds.

01:11:01.560 But for this, whatever reason, in Florida is allowed to fly.

01:11:06.740 Yeah, it's insanity.

01:11:07.800 I really think we need to stop it.

01:11:09.800 I mean, like schools can't even give you a kid Tylenol, but we're going to give them secret clothes and identities and we're going to give kids experimental procedures that are proven to not work.

01:11:20.140 Like you keep saying conservatives, yeah, sure.

01:11:23.340 But we need to all band together.

01:11:25.340 We all agree on this.

01:11:26.620 Vast majority of America.

01:11:27.740 There's no reason we don't just stop this right now.

01:11:30.460 I wonder if this is just you guys are familiar, familiar with the Malthusian ideology.

01:11:37.180 This is a book called The Population Bomb, where I think in the 70s, this guy writes that there's too many people.

01:11:44.280 They're going to keep multiplying exponentially and then the planet will implode and everyone dies.

01:11:48.880 And so a lot of people in the 70s, you know, attach themselves to this ideology of overpopulation.

01:11:53.600 Overpopulation becomes a very popular and common idea among many politicians, particularly among Democrats, especially with how they talk about climate change.

01:12:02.260 And while I certainly do agree there's an upper limit to how many humans can exist on a planet, I think a lot of what we're seeing is just about making sure people can't have kids.

01:12:11.880 That's why I'm not surprised Planned Parenthood is now an organization that's giving these treatments to kids and that they want to expand abortion to the point of birth and things like this.

01:12:24.040 I think the end result is just less people.

01:12:25.800 Yeah, I mean, that's why I touched on it earlier.

01:12:28.660 I think there is that at play because you look at the people that they are manipulating the most into transitioning are high rates of autism and other mental health issues.

01:12:37.560 Yeah.

01:12:38.300 What do you think happens politically?

01:12:39.780 How would you guys each describe your like political affiliation?

01:12:46.020 You vote in Trump?

01:12:47.520 Yes, I am.

01:12:48.680 I'm fairly conservative.

01:12:50.060 I feel kind of bad because I sarcastically posted on X that I was voting for RFK Jr.

01:12:53.940 and RFK Jr. said, thank you, Tim.

01:12:57.160 And I was like, oh, because I don't dislike the guy, but I'm not voting for the Hodge twins got it.

01:13:03.400 They posted a laughing emoji.

01:13:04.480 They know I'm not going to vote for the guy.

01:13:06.620 Oh, man, I feel bad.

01:13:07.720 But what about you guys?

01:13:08.580 You guys voting for Trump?

01:13:10.680 I prefer Trump.

01:13:11.700 I think RFK Jr. is a solid person.

01:13:14.060 Yeah, I agree.

01:13:14.640 I think he could have definitely a big spot in our political realm.

01:13:19.040 He seems genuine.

01:13:20.380 But yeah, more conservative, libertarian in that range.

01:13:23.940 Yeah.

01:13:24.780 Yeah, I mean, I'm a I'm a minarchist, libertarian.

01:13:27.820 You're not going to vote for Chase Oliver.

01:13:30.200 No.

01:13:30.660 And actually, when I was talking about the bills earlier, when I was talking about the bills in Louisiana and Georgia that I've helped work on, Chase has been vocally against those.

01:13:37.300 So I would have no reason to support him, even though we do know each other personally because he lives not far from me.

01:13:42.480 But yeah, I mean, I'm not somebody who usually would go out and say who I'm voting for until Election Day.

01:13:50.700 But I think at this point, I think after the assassination attempt, I'm voting Trump.

01:13:54.560 I don't I don't think there is any reasonable argument.

01:13:59.200 Like if we sat down and went bullet point to bullet point, pros, cons, negatives, Donald Trump wins no matter what.

01:14:05.400 You know, and I like RFK Jr.

01:14:06.700 He sounds like a fun guy dropping that bear in Central Park for whatever reason.

01:14:09.720 Sounds like a fun guy.

01:14:10.340 But, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't vote for him.

01:14:14.480 I mean, there's that we're arguing over Joe Rogan.

01:14:17.460 So I sarcastic goes like, OK, fine, I'm voting for RFK Jr. now.

01:14:20.080 And then like RFK Jr. is like, thank you, Tim.

01:14:22.080 I really do appreciate it.

01:14:22.940 Your support for the concert.

01:14:23.980 And I'm like, oh, geez.

01:14:26.600 But whatever.

01:14:27.240 I don't take Twitter too seriously.

01:14:28.260 I think people are getting really pissed off that I tweeted it, though, like like Trump people are like, no, don't even joke about it.

01:14:34.120 And it's like, oh, whatever.

01:14:35.160 Well, you tweeted it right before we started the show.

01:14:36.820 So who knows what's going on?

01:14:37.960 I'm always stirring the pot.

01:14:38.980 But, well, I mean, in this regard, it's just like.

01:14:42.440 Look, man.

01:14:44.360 This this election has there's a lot at stake and war, you know, is a big issue for me.

01:14:50.180 Obviously, the subject of this show is we're talking about gender ideology.

01:14:53.000 The what we describe as wokeness, which I don't even think the right has like a unified definition of and they don't really know how to explain it.

01:15:01.600 I explain it as simply the social orthodoxy of the left political tribe in the United States.

01:15:06.260 Woke refers to that on the surface.

01:15:09.940 I'd further describe it if you wanted to get more into the nitty gritty.

01:15:13.160 It represents a combination of ideas based on what is simply popular algorithmically.

01:15:21.180 There's not a whole lot more to it.

01:15:24.560 Some people might say it's neo-Marxist.

01:15:26.280 And I'm like, no, the neo-Marxism emerges out of what is socially acceptable due to advertisers.

01:15:31.780 And the left has adopted these things because it generated views for their websites.

01:15:35.240 So they've attached themselves to contradictory ideas that don't seem to make a lot of sense.

01:15:39.480 And they often can't defend because there actually is no real ideology behind it.

01:15:43.680 It is simply an amalgam of anti-oppression.

01:15:46.940 So there's a little bit of neo-Marxist in there ideas.

01:15:49.680 But the reason why I don't agree with that necessarily is because they're pro-Ukraine war.

01:15:54.340 You know, for whatever reason, people who are, quote unquote, woke and believe in gender ideology also want to go blow up Russians in Ukraine for some reason, which is just doesn't align.

01:16:03.020 There's like nothing there.

01:16:03.720 So, you know, obviously what's going on with the gender stuff is a huge component of this.

01:16:09.520 I just wonder if this is going to be a major driving force in the election or if it's just I don't know.

01:16:16.500 I don't know.

01:16:17.860 As people are calling Tim Waltz tampon Tim, I don't know that if you go to a regular person and say like Loudoun County, Virginia, living in the suburbs or whatever, and you walk up to them and say, what do you think about transgender?

01:16:31.600 They're going to be like, huh?

01:16:33.340 Like, I don't know if you guys think that there's a big enough.

01:16:36.300 Isn't that where the bathroom scandal literally happened?

01:16:38.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:16:39.880 I still think a lot of people in Loudoun are going to say, and that's why I bring up, they're going to be like, I don't know what that is.

01:16:44.760 And it's more than just the bathroom scandal.

01:16:46.500 A young girl, a scandal, a young girl was raped by a gender non-conforming individual.

01:16:50.220 Yeah, I think you're right in a lot of ways, because I always say this.

01:16:55.560 I always say the Internet's not real, because the only issues I ever have being a trans person in America is online.

01:17:02.540 Never once experienced transphobia in person in real life, even though I'm an outspoken trans person.

01:17:11.000 People on the left know who I am.

01:17:12.460 People on the right know who I am.

01:17:13.700 Never had any issues.

01:17:14.580 When me and Chloe do events together, people in MAGA hats come up and give me hugs.

01:17:18.800 So I'm like, you know what, I don't think it's as big of an issue as a lot of people are making it out to be.

01:17:25.320 It's just the most vocally active voices get the attention online.

01:17:29.400 Right, and it's like, that was very similar to my experience while transitioning.

01:17:33.300 I mean, I didn't really get a whole lot of flack for it, save for when I started transitioning socially in middle school.

01:17:37.880 But kids who are like 12, 13, 14, it's not the nicest age group.

01:17:42.840 If you're any different from them, just expect them to not be nice about it.

01:17:46.060 But the interesting thing is, I mean, when I stopped transitioning, when I regretted my transition, it was that same community of people who I once saw almost like a second family who immediately turned their backs on me.

01:18:00.460 And many of my former transgender friends would silently just like distance themselves from me and stop being my friend.

01:18:07.080 But also a lot of them went out of their way to harass me just for talking about my grief and my regret.

01:18:12.640 They would tell me things like, this is all your fault.

01:18:15.680 Like, it doesn't matter how young you were.

01:18:17.380 You should have known what your gender identity really was and that you weren't really a boy and that you're by transitioning erroneously.

01:18:22.460 You stole resources from real transgender people.

01:18:25.240 So you should be ashamed of yourself.

01:18:27.000 Like, you should stop talking about this.

01:18:28.500 It's not going to help you.

01:18:29.720 It's not going to help the people around you.

01:18:31.200 It's going to hurt transgender people.

01:18:32.600 So just stay silent.

01:18:34.080 Well, that's cult-like behavior, right?

01:18:35.620 So what cults do is they actually go after the people that leave the cult a lot more than anybody that's ever been in it.

01:18:42.620 And it's to project fear on those that are still in the cult.

01:18:46.320 Like, if you leave this, we will un-person you type thing.

01:18:50.180 And it comes from their own fear.

01:18:51.260 I will also say that I think that most people do know what trans is at this point, even when I go back home to visit my family who aren't perpetually online.

01:19:00.440 Like, they don't even have maybe even Facebook accounts, you know.

01:19:03.920 They know what it is because it's so pervasive in our society.

01:19:06.820 But almost, I mean, I would say like 99% of the people I talk to are like, I don't care what you do as an adult, but leave the kids alone.

01:19:12.260 And I think that's the way that most people, that is a reasonable statement.

01:19:15.520 It is, leave the kids alone.

01:19:16.960 But to Tim's point, I think a lot of people don't understand how drastic it really is.

01:19:21.060 Like, literally on the plane here, talking to a guy, he lives in Florida.

01:19:24.900 I live in California.

01:19:26.260 We find out I'm more conservative, he's more liberal.

01:19:28.600 I'm like, that's so interesting.

01:19:29.600 And he's a nice guy, he talks to me.

01:19:31.400 It's one of the things, I tell him that this gender stuff is the biggest deal to me.

01:19:34.200 And I tell him the example of AB1955, where Elon steps up and he's going to move his business out of California.

01:19:39.800 It's basically, schools must keep secrets from parents, which is insane.

01:19:43.100 And he literally said, like, I don't believe you, I'd fact check that.

01:19:48.200 And I was like, I promise, like, if there's anything I know about politically, it's this specific thing.

01:19:53.260 Like, it's my own state.

01:19:54.600 Yeah, it's a perfect example.

01:19:56.080 Like, people don't understand the magnitude.

01:19:57.840 And we're also just the tip of the iceberg.

01:19:59.240 Think about this.

01:19:59.940 This is now happening to the one, two, three, four-year-olds, every preschool, every, almost every preschool, everywhere.

01:20:04.920 So we're really going to just start seeing so much more.

01:20:07.580 People don't realize, like, high school kids now are worried about their younger siblings because they know that they have been being brainwashed since an extremely young age.

01:20:15.940 I mean, I'm barely 20, and it's crazy how much things have changed in schools from when I was in school.

01:20:21.120 It wasn't too long from now that I graduated high school, and I actually was never exposed to this ideology through school.

01:20:27.400 It was never talked about in class.

01:20:29.820 There were no books about it, and now they're teaching it to children, including books about gender and sexuality.

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01:22:02.800 And grade levels as young as, like, first grade.

01:22:07.160 And it's not even just the regular person that doesn't know what's going on.

01:22:10.420 And I find this when talking to legislatures.

01:22:12.300 They don't necessarily know a lot of the details on this stuff.

01:22:15.160 I literally sat in a state senator's office in Georgia who is the chair of the Health and Human Services Committee in the Senate and argued with him trying to get them to add puberty blockers to this bill.

01:22:30.000 It was two years ago, or it was last year, in our legislative session.

01:22:34.140 He's telling me from his doctor friends are telling him this is fully reversible, yet we have paperwork from Leo Sapir and others saying, with all the evidence that it's not.

01:22:45.520 But he's a doctor.

01:22:46.300 He has this hubris that he knows more than you.

01:22:49.320 So he actually insulted me in this.

01:22:51.280 Then one of the moms that was on the call with me primaries him.

01:22:57.700 So this year, he decided to take the step to try to pass a bill to just do puberty blockers.

01:23:04.280 It didn't pass.

01:23:05.560 I think it passed the Senate, but it never went forward to the governor's desk.

01:23:08.860 So still, in the state of Georgia, puberty blockers are illegal to use, but cross-sex hormones and surgeries are not.

01:23:15.220 Do you guys consider yourselves religious?

01:23:17.000 Are you guys religious in any way?

01:23:19.240 I consider myself Christian, yeah.

01:23:20.760 I'm Christian.

01:23:21.620 I consider myself a Catholic, yeah.

01:23:23.580 Oh, wow.

01:23:24.080 Have you guys always been?

01:23:25.620 I was raised Catholic.

01:23:26.600 I would actually say I'm more non-denominational Christian, but I was raised Catholic, so it's what I know the best.

01:23:31.600 I mean, I wasn't really raised up with any sort of faith background, actually.

01:23:36.420 Even though my mom and dad are both from Christian backgrounds, they just never really raised me with those values.

01:23:42.040 We stopped going to church when I was, I think I was still in preschool or just barely in kindergarten.

01:23:48.680 Do you know why?

01:23:49.440 I don't know why, actually.

01:23:51.640 I feel like they haven't really been clear on that, but eventually, like, they just became, like, atheist or agnostic over time.

01:23:58.400 And I feel like that kind of made it so that there is a bit of a hole in my life, in my identity, and, like, understanding myself and the world around me and why I was made the way that I was.

01:24:10.020 And it didn't really become a part of my life until much later through my activism journey, actually, as I started connecting with other Christians and speaking at churches and such.

01:24:19.940 Oh, wow.

01:24:20.280 What about you, Harrison?

01:24:21.800 Have you always been Christian?

01:24:23.160 My family's more so, like, believing God, sort of Christian, but not in any sort of devout way.

01:24:28.460 Yeah.

01:24:28.960 So it definitely wasn't pushed.

01:24:30.300 I don't think they maybe wanted us to decide for ourselves.

01:24:32.920 We didn't particularly go to church a lot or anything like that.

01:24:35.080 But one thing my parents did a really great job of and still do, and when we eat dinner together at the table, we do pray and all say what we're thankful for.

01:24:42.320 And it's a pretty incredible thing.

01:24:43.400 I think the dinner table is an important thing for families to actually talk about things, including politics and religion, not avoiding them.

01:24:49.920 I don't think that's a good idea.

01:24:51.340 So I'm curious because, you know, typically Christianity is associated with, like, anti-LGBTQ in a lot of ways.

01:24:59.720 There are a lot of churches, however, that have started flying the progress pride flag and things like this.

01:25:04.140 But I'm wondering what your guys' thoughts are, Sarah, especially yours, if you consider yourself Catholic.

01:25:08.700 Do you think that your religion is at odds with your transition or there's some kind of conflict?

01:25:14.720 There is.

01:25:15.840 I mean, it just depends because I've looked at some of the different teachings of the Bible, and I do think that there are—

01:25:23.240 when you look at some of the different interpretations as to ways things are written,

01:25:26.380 like, even when it talks about homosexuality, it's not necessarily talking about homosexuality laying with another man.

01:25:34.420 What they always talk about when it comes to the trans issue is derotomy.

01:25:38.320 And if you look at different translations from Hebrew, directly from Hebrew,

01:25:43.380 they actually say a man cannot dress as a woman as a woman cannot dress as a man.

01:25:48.180 And the word that they use for man is also the same word as they use for warrior in other spots.

01:25:54.140 So what they are quite literally saying is a man or a warrior cannot decide himself as a woman to get an advantage over an enemy,

01:26:04.060 while a woman cannot be a warrior in that sense.

01:26:06.880 And so I think that there are some odds in there, but I also just believe that as long as I'm a good person

01:26:16.760 and holding good moral value, then I think a lot of these other things are arbitrary.

01:26:23.000 Do you go to church?

01:26:24.940 Sometime. About once a year, probably, yeah.

01:26:26.800 Oh, wow.

01:26:27.340 Yeah, I'm not, like, religiously going to church every weekend, but I've been to quite a few Catholic churches in Atlanta.

01:26:33.460 And actually, one of our churches, the one that Sherman—the only building that Sherman, when he marched to the sea,

01:26:39.080 did not burn was the Catholic church that's right across the street from the Fulton County Courthouse.

01:26:43.800 And it is one of those—very much has, like, boosts that pride and stuff like that.

01:26:47.380 But I've not actually been to that church. I just go to the other one.

01:26:50.120 Do people say anything to you? I mean, do you—

01:26:53.580 No, like I said, nobody ever really says anything to me in person when I'm out, so no.

01:26:58.880 Yeah, that's my thing. You know, I believe in God. I don't consider myself Christian or any other religion.

01:27:04.160 I just think that you have to be a good person doing good things for the betterment of life

01:27:09.320 and for the betterment of creation. And it's tough to know for sure.

01:27:14.280 But it is interesting to see this strong overlap in the culture war with issues like this, but also with religion.

01:27:20.500 There's a lot of people who were not religious. Russell Brand, for instance, now becoming a Christian.

01:27:25.560 And a lot of people are really angry about it.

01:27:27.920 There's a lot of people on the left who get really mad about it.

01:27:30.660 And even a lot of our viewers are secular, atheists or agnostic, but a lot of atheists.

01:27:36.720 And there are a lot of people who are seemingly upset, or at least I should say, what's the rise—doubtful

01:27:44.460 over whether or not people are genuinely accepting Christianity or just saying it for some reason

01:27:50.500 because it's more just tribal politics.

01:27:52.160 So I'm wondering if you guys, you know, not necessarily in that regard, but in terms of

01:27:57.700 everything related to the culture war, do you think that, like, a lot of the right outside

01:28:02.600 of the core elements, a lot of people on the right are just seemingly now falling in line

01:28:07.000 with what they view to be a more popular movement?

01:28:09.740 Like, let me put it this way.

01:28:10.960 After the Bud Light stuff happens, it's clear that the woke stuff is not popular.

01:28:16.700 Cori Bush gets voted out.

01:28:17.700 Jamal Bowman's getting voted out.

01:28:18.960 And granted, there's, you know, political action money being spent against them, but

01:28:22.940 with the Target boycotts, with the Bud Light boycotts, it certainly seems like wokeness

01:28:27.260 is not what is culturally acceptable.

01:28:29.300 And this is what I predicted before, that a lot of people will start saying, oh, I was

01:28:34.020 never woke.

01:28:34.640 I'm not for that.

01:28:35.560 So I'm curious if you guys think—have you seen this?

01:28:37.600 Like, a lot of people just now being like, oh, yeah, of course.

01:28:40.060 I agree with you.

01:28:41.980 I think that there's some of that—it's interesting to watch because you see a lot of

01:28:47.140 people now claiming faith and then people pushing them away.

01:28:51.800 But I think as a Christian, we should have grace for people who have seen the light and

01:28:58.220 give them the benefit of the doubt in that same regard.

01:29:00.960 I would never want to push somebody away because I think that they're, you know, grifting or

01:29:04.180 something like that.

01:29:05.160 But at the same time, it could be that now they're like, okay—it almost goes back to

01:29:09.680 what Harrison said earlier about, you know, people that are going along with gender ideology.

01:29:14.040 At some point, you're going to have to figure out what you're going to tell your grandkids

01:29:16.960 as to why you didn't step up and fight this.

01:29:19.200 What is a woman?

01:29:21.140 Oh, it's an adult human female.

01:29:23.540 Is that universally agreed upon here by everybody?

01:29:25.880 A woman is—

01:29:26.400 Adult human female.

01:29:27.540 You know, it is kind of weird that they can't answer that question.

01:29:30.240 Doesn't that immediately just—I mean, Matt Walsh, great dude, big fan, did a lot of

01:29:35.940 great stuff and currently does.

01:29:38.300 He's got that new film.

01:29:39.640 What is it called?

01:29:40.040 Am I Racist?

01:29:41.540 It's looking good.

01:29:42.580 I can't believe they get away with some of the things they get away with, how they

01:29:45.180 pull this off.

01:29:46.520 I think it was—

01:29:47.080 Robin D'Angelo.

01:29:47.860 Robin D'Angelo.

01:29:48.580 And he's got the fake hair with the man bun?

01:29:51.120 Wow.

01:29:51.860 But you know what the thing is?

01:29:52.740 These people don't know what they're talking about.

01:29:54.240 Like, I know who Matt Walsh and Robin D'Angelo are.

01:29:56.660 If she walked in, I'd be like, why is Robin D'Angelo here?

01:29:59.160 Like, you're not going to pull a fast one on me, but she doesn't know who Matt Walsh

01:30:02.040 is?

01:30:02.980 That's crazy.

01:30:03.620 But anyway, anyway.

01:30:05.100 What is a woman?

01:30:06.520 What is a man?

01:30:07.920 They literally have no answer for it.

01:30:09.840 I just think it's a cult, and this is a great question that kind of exposes that to the

01:30:14.400 point where we're at, you know, when the Supreme Court Justice, Kataji Brown Jackson, says she

01:30:18.700 doesn't know what a woman is.

01:30:19.520 She's not a biologist.

01:30:20.780 It's kind of worrying that if this is the direction the country goes in, what does that

01:30:25.860 look like?

01:30:26.360 Just you're forced to believe untruths.

01:30:29.200 Otherwise, you lose your job.

01:30:30.380 You lose money.

01:30:31.320 It's like 1984.

01:30:32.620 Orwell.

01:30:33.180 Orwell.

01:30:33.560 Yeah, it's postmodernism at its finest.

01:30:36.900 Like, there's no such thing as absolute truth, except for that's an absolute statement,

01:30:41.940 right?

01:30:42.400 So the definition of postmodernism is contradictory in and of itself.

01:30:48.920 Yeah.

01:30:49.220 Yeah.

01:30:49.800 I think the end result, like where we're currently at in this country, Donald Trump, you know,

01:30:55.980 imperfect avatar of the outrage of the populace moving in this country.

01:30:59.560 She's fine, whatever.

01:31:00.160 But, you know, no new wars, timeline for withdrawal.

01:31:02.460 I'm a big fan of that foreign policy stuff.

01:31:04.700 I think the economy did well until COVID hit.

01:31:07.420 It's fairly routine and mundane.

01:31:09.600 But then I look at Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.

01:31:12.320 She's selected, not a single vote in the primary, installed into the DNC, representing no policies,

01:31:18.720 no politics, no campaign.

01:31:20.280 The Democratic Party today represents pure social conformity to the social orthodoxy of the liberal

01:31:27.120 left and negative partisanship, voting based on you hating someone else.

01:31:34.000 This country is going to look real weird.

01:31:36.260 But they want the first female president, even though they don't know what that is.

01:31:40.200 And they don't.

01:31:40.740 That's that's a scary thing.

01:31:42.420 And I think it lines up with gender ideology and all the other elements of wokeness,

01:31:46.000 intersectionality, whatever it may be.

01:31:47.500 It doesn't matter what's true.

01:31:48.940 It matters what the the group decides should be.

01:31:53.220 And so you'll end up with kids and surgery.

01:31:55.720 And what if Donald Trump just comes out and says he's non-binary or a black or a black woman?

01:32:01.360 Many people have joked that Trump should do that.

01:32:03.600 Yeah.

01:32:04.020 Didn't he fly the flag?

01:32:05.780 The pride flag?

01:32:06.640 The rainbow flag.

01:32:08.840 Yeah.

01:32:09.040 2016.

01:32:09.740 Yeah.

01:32:09.900 He held it up.

01:32:10.820 It was the LGBT for Trump.

01:32:12.780 He's the he's the first president to support gay marriage before becoming president.

01:32:17.460 Yeah.

01:32:18.140 Yeah.

01:32:18.480 Barack Obama opposed it.

01:32:19.800 Hillary Clinton.

01:32:20.700 This is really funny.

01:32:21.820 Hillary Clinton in 2016 opposed gay marriage.

01:32:24.360 Oh, wow.

01:32:25.080 Yeah, I know.

01:32:25.540 It's kind of funny.

01:32:26.600 She there was a leaked email where she's basically expressing that she does not support gay marriage.

01:32:31.280 And Donald Trump publicly said he did.

01:32:33.960 And he said, this is not a fight.

01:32:34.840 We're going to win.

01:32:35.320 This is this time has passed.

01:32:36.960 It's kind of wild that whatever is happening is just weird.

01:32:41.760 It's crazy.

01:32:42.760 Well, it's crazy that the left is just like making the claim.

01:32:45.180 Right.

01:32:45.540 That he's going to like revoke LGBT rights is going to like take away democracy from the

01:32:49.660 country.

01:32:50.020 It's like, do you remember like the like the four years of his presidency?

01:32:52.780 Like he's living the same world.

01:32:54.320 He's in New York.

01:32:54.920 He was a New York liberal.

01:32:55.900 Right.

01:32:56.460 So he was also part of the Reform Party.

01:32:59.100 And so he's actually been more on the on the right side of these things for a very long

01:33:03.140 for a lot longer than a lot of these Democrats have.

01:33:05.120 You mean the correct side of these things?

01:33:06.340 Yeah.

01:33:07.780 Yes.

01:33:08.160 The correct side.

01:33:09.060 But but I mean, yeah, you talk about Hillary Clinton.

01:33:11.600 I mean, it was the Democrats who early who I mean, it was Bill Clinton who signed the

01:33:18.520 Defense of Marriage Act.

01:33:20.140 Yeah.

01:33:20.600 It was Bill Clinton who signed Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

01:33:23.480 All these very now unpopular among the left were actually signed by Democrats.

01:33:27.820 Democrats and you can't claim that that was just the parties flipping like they do with

01:33:32.020 race relationships.

01:33:32.780 Well, it's not like the Republicans in the 90s were pro-game marriage.

01:33:35.220 Well, I mean, but now you're also seeing even when it comes to race relationships, white

01:33:39.040 men for white, white men for Hillary.

01:33:41.280 I mean, think about if you did that with Donald Trump.

01:33:43.620 And I did see this funny meme.

01:33:45.600 It said, well, they do have, you know, black, you know, black people for Trump.

01:33:48.640 Yeah, they do have the N words for Trump.

01:33:50.140 Yeah.

01:33:52.180 I've seen them at rallies.

01:33:53.500 Yeah, they're they're they're a hoot.

01:33:54.800 But it is it is interesting, right?

01:33:57.920 I saw this funny meme.

01:33:59.260 It said, you know, leave it to Democrats to have all, you know, a bunch of white white

01:34:04.720 men getting together and funny hats.

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01:35:36.740 This is actually really interesting because, you know, with people pointing out, you know,

01:35:40.180 we're mentioning that Donald Trump had the pride flag in 2016, the first president to

01:35:44.440 support the LGBT community.

01:35:46.260 But now it's the LGB community.

01:35:48.840 You know, like in the UK, you've got Get the L Out, which is lesbian activists who are

01:35:52.640 concerned over gender ideology.

01:35:54.480 They feel that young lesbian females are being told to become men when they actually just are

01:36:01.740 attracted to girls and they're lesbians.

01:36:03.140 And so now you've got many individuals that we would have traditionally said LGBT, but

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01:36:22.120 Yeah.

01:36:22.500 I actually would go with, see, I keep the LGBT, but the original T stand up for transsexual,

01:36:27.780 not transgender.

01:36:28.840 Is that what it was?

01:36:29.760 Yeah.

01:36:29.960 Yeah.

01:36:30.400 It wasn't until, what, 2013 maybe that it changed to transgender and it became this umbrella

01:36:34.840 term.

01:36:35.600 Transsexual is actually within the binary system, you know, transition between the two and you

01:36:41.380 actually have to have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

01:36:44.000 Can you tell me the difference?

01:36:45.460 What's the 2S though?

01:36:46.520 Isn't that like an iPhone model?

01:36:47.760 2S.

01:36:50.160 Get it on purpose.

01:36:52.380 But yeah, so the difference between transsexual, transsexuals are actual people with people with

01:36:56.460 gender dysphoria, diagnosed gender dysphoria, have gone through the process of

01:36:59.880 transitioning to look and have an uncomfortability with their biological, with their secondary

01:37:05.040 sex characteristics.

01:37:06.340 That's like the diagnosis of gender dysphoria in and of itself.

01:37:09.320 And then they've taken the steps to actually transition and live life as the opposite sex.

01:37:15.400 But we always know that we can't change our sex.

01:37:17.760 We are the same sex.

01:37:18.600 Transgender is, as I talked about postmodernism, it is the umbrella term that if you don't

01:37:25.620 feel like you are, like you're given sex, whatever that means, that's why non-binary is

01:37:31.620 a thing in transgender communities.

01:37:33.340 Non-binary and transgender are intertwined because they say, well, I don't feel like my

01:37:39.760 sex at birth, so I'm now trans because I dress differently and I'm non-binary and that's

01:37:47.320 transgender.

01:37:48.100 So I separate it with the LGBT and then just the queer community.

01:37:53.020 I say the queer community.

01:37:53.800 You're separating it by like commitment or something.

01:37:56.880 What's that?

01:37:57.360 It sounds like you're kind of separating it by like the full kind of commitment to it

01:38:00.640 and I guess the difference between saying you can change your biological sex or not,

01:38:05.320 like every cell in your body is XX or XY, right?

01:38:08.200 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:09.020 And I think it's the level of commitment.

01:38:11.620 It also is, like I said, you live within the binary.

01:38:14.480 There is only two genders.

01:38:15.760 There's only two sexes, right?

01:38:17.180 And you can add a million.

01:38:18.520 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:19.380 So I think that that's the main difference.

01:38:22.540 But it is interesting, though, with the Republican platform because, you know, they always talk

01:38:27.940 about like removing LGBT rights and everything like that, where just at the last RNC convention,

01:38:35.320 they removed all quote-unquote homophobic language.

01:38:39.200 They actually removed their opposition to gay marriage from the party platform completely.

01:38:43.060 This is not being talked about very much, but it was a big win for, you know, the log cabin Republicans and that.

01:38:48.820 I pulled up the HRC definitions, but there's a, you know, this is where they always try to make things seem a bit more like normal and reasonable.

01:38:59.220 But New York, for instance, this is a story that I've covered quite a bit over the past eight years.

01:39:03.920 New York City recognizes 31 different genders, and they're like the same.

01:39:11.940 In some, like, so they have female to male is recognized as a gender, and FTM is recognized as a gender.

01:39:16.340 It's two different distinct genders.

01:39:18.960 It's an acronym.

01:39:20.240 Right.

01:39:20.420 How much gender do you think that guy is?

01:39:24.280 That's a woman.

01:39:25.040 That's a woman.

01:39:26.380 No, but I mean, I mean.

01:39:27.720 Did you guys see the Olympic thing with the shot putter?

01:39:31.320 So this is funny.

01:39:33.200 Let me see if I can pull this up.

01:39:35.140 I've seen Olympic boxers that are guys punching women in the face, and I think it's unacceptable.

01:39:39.260 People are claiming are women.

01:39:40.040 Here we go.

01:39:40.460 Let me pull this up.

01:39:41.400 This is important.

01:39:42.520 This is important.

01:39:43.320 BBC commentator corrected live on air after misgendering shot putter Raven Saunders.

01:39:48.240 Saunders goes by the pronoun they, and has previously invited comparisons with the Incredible Hulk.

01:39:53.180 Sure.

01:39:53.560 How are you supposed to know that from somebody's appearance alone?

01:39:55.500 Exactly.

01:39:56.100 And so my point is this.

01:39:56.920 My four-year-old likes to pretend he's the Hulk, too.

01:39:58.920 That seems a little crazy for whatever age this person is.

01:40:01.220 Call yourself whatever you want.

01:40:02.360 That's fine.

01:40:02.840 If I'm a commentator, and I see this individual, clearly female, and I said, you know, she's doing a great job.

01:40:11.680 She's winning, and someone said, actually, they go by non-binary.

01:40:14.460 You know what my response is going to be?

01:40:15.560 Okay.

01:40:15.980 Well, they've not told me that, and so far be it from me to misgender someone based on their appearance.

01:40:21.040 This individual is presenting female, so she, her.

01:40:23.180 Could you imagine if you were a woman who looked manly, and they called you him because they just assumed you were a guy?

01:40:29.240 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:40:29.920 We don't do that.

01:40:30.320 We don't do that.

01:40:31.040 Oh, man.

01:40:31.520 That was happening, too, though.

01:40:33.080 That was happening with the rugby player.

01:40:35.600 I saw people trying to claim that Katie Ledecky was a man.

01:40:39.200 Oh, the transvestigation.

01:40:40.380 I've seen people say that Macron's wife is a man.

01:40:46.160 They're called transvestigations.

01:40:47.880 Have you seen this?

01:40:48.820 Yeah.

01:40:49.160 For real.

01:40:50.340 But it's mostly young activists online and gender ideologues trying to prove that certain people in the mainstream are passing transgender individuals.

01:40:58.900 I've had people try to claim that I'm actually a biological male because my shoulders and really niche proportions, like my arms being too long or something.

01:41:07.180 Do they ask about the size of your skull in proportion to your intelligence, too?

01:41:10.040 Well, I mean, if you're taking testosterone, it's going to have these impacts on you, and then they're going to go and insult you afterwards.

01:41:15.480 Right.

01:41:16.180 Which is actually exactly what happened.

01:41:17.540 Well, I think that's one of the things that's not talked about enough, especially with the detransitioners and how much this actually hurts detransitioners.

01:41:24.540 Because now when you want to go and start passing legislation against trans adults and you want to be a certain way towards trans adults, a lot of because some of these detransitioners have put that harm in their body that you can't reverse, they're never going to be able to change their voice back and stuff like that.

01:41:42.200 And so some of that legislation can end up hurting the people that you're supposedly using to help protect, and that's the detrans community.

01:41:49.180 Well, you know what's crazy, too, is that right now, I don't think there actually is any kind of legitimate way for an individual to pass perfectly.

01:42:01.980 The voice thing is something that's fairly obvious.

01:42:05.440 When you see a female who transitions to male, the voice doesn't become masculine.

01:42:10.400 It just becomes like a high-pitched vocal fry.

01:42:14.020 It depends on what age they transition and like genetics.

01:42:16.720 I actually had a pretty deep voice.

01:42:18.340 It's a miracle that I actually sound like a woman right now because I had a deeper voice than like almost all my male peers.

01:42:23.440 Wow.

01:42:23.840 And even like a lot of adult men.

01:42:25.060 How did that change?

01:42:27.160 Just?

01:42:27.920 From taking the testosterone?

01:42:29.440 By getting off testosterone, it kind of went back?

01:42:31.300 Yeah, I didn't think that I was ever going to come back.

01:42:32.780 Like, I mean, a lot of people thought that I, they just assumed that I was a transgender woman because of like my facial features at the time and my voice being so deep.

01:42:41.300 Wow.

01:42:41.700 I never thought that I was ever going to sound or look like a woman again.

01:42:44.120 That doesn't happen to everybody.

01:42:45.360 We don't know whose voice is going to recover.

01:42:47.180 Right.

01:42:47.480 Did you have to do anything afterwards to try and like transition in the other way in essence?

01:42:53.960 Medically?

01:42:55.040 I mean, not really.

01:42:58.280 Like you just go cold turkey off the testosterone?

01:43:00.700 Yeah, I went cold turkey.

01:43:01.720 I probably shouldn't have done that.

01:43:03.100 There aren't really any guidelines for on how exactly to stop.

01:43:06.940 I had no guidance from any of my doctors.

01:43:08.800 So just like, and I hate taking the injections anymore.

01:43:10.900 Like it was just like, it was something that reminded me of like all this trauma and grief that I went through.

01:43:14.580 So I just wanted to be completely done with it.

01:43:16.300 And that made me pretty sick for a while.

01:43:17.800 Like I lost like about like 25 pounds in the span of two months because I wasn't eating.

01:43:22.260 Isn't it like horse testosterone or something?

01:43:24.280 I have no idea.

01:43:25.460 Yeah.

01:43:26.300 I don't know what the synthetic is.

01:43:27.940 Now that's one of the things I've heard they use is actually different.

01:43:31.460 They use different type of testosterone here in the U.S. that they use in Europe.

01:43:35.580 And so that's why Amy, when she was in the U.K., everything was fine.

01:43:42.820 The moment that they moved here, the testosterone started causing all these medical issues.

01:43:49.700 JGBT says it comes from soy or yams.

01:43:53.100 Soy from?

01:43:53.560 Wait, soy from soy?

01:43:55.020 Yeah.

01:43:55.580 I mean, maybe JGBT is wrong.

01:43:57.820 It says they can convert plant-based sterols derived from soy or yams into bioidentical hormones through a series of chemical reactions.

01:44:06.740 Synthetic testosterone is used in various forms of HRT, such as injections, gels, patches, or pellets.

01:44:12.040 I think people are beautiful the way they are created, especially children, and that it just doesn't make any sense to try to change something that's inevitable.

01:44:23.400 I mean, nobody is so broken that they have to change who they fundamentally are and lie to everybody about that.

01:44:28.180 And make everyone acknowledge that.

01:44:30.120 Whoa!

01:44:30.860 Estrogen does come from horses.

01:44:32.200 So, they say some hormone therapies, like some forms of estrogen, Premarin, have been derived from the urine of pregnant mares.

01:44:40.980 Oh.

01:44:42.220 Just so everyone at home knows that if you're taking that...

01:44:45.520 Wow.

01:44:46.360 It's like the whole horse...

01:44:47.420 Taking my pee injections.

01:44:48.220 Sounds like South Park.

01:44:49.820 Wow.

01:44:51.000 I mean, I don't know why anyone would assume they're derived from humans.

01:44:54.940 No.

01:44:55.340 Like, they take people and then extract the hormones from your...

01:44:57.980 I thought that would be even worse.

01:44:59.320 That'd be substantially worse.

01:45:00.960 See, I wouldn't have expected it to be the opposite, though.

01:45:03.600 Because soy is well known to have higher phytoestrogens.

01:45:06.500 So, I don't know.

01:45:07.800 Well, this is interesting, though, because my brother was telling me about this.

01:45:09.880 He said that the whole soy boy thing is fake.

01:45:13.180 There's two things to consider with the soy and phytoestrogens.

01:45:16.880 Uh, phytoestrogens are weaker and have a lighter, uh, they stimulate very much less than natural estrogens.

01:45:25.660 So, if you only have a certain amount of receptors in your body for absorbing estrogen, your body produces...

01:45:30.520 Everyone produces estrogen.

01:45:31.560 Men have very small amounts.

01:45:32.920 Women have much larger amounts.

01:45:34.660 If a man is blocking his estrogen receptors with weaker phytoestrogens, it actually nullifies.

01:45:41.400 However, if he's mass-consuming it, he's getting a weaker version of estrogen, but ten times more.

01:45:49.200 So, those things to consider, that light usage of soy may actually inhibit feminine...

01:45:55.160 Like, what estrogen does.

01:45:56.580 I think it's also probably a bad idea, because, like, we have hormones in our bodies for a reason.

01:46:00.220 There's a reason men have less, but still have some.

01:46:02.520 You know?

01:46:03.020 Like, women have testosterone, just a lot less.

01:46:04.860 Well, that's what they say about beer, though, too, right?

01:46:06.840 Beer has, uh, causes higher, higher rates of estrogen in the body, but that might be why people that drink beer are more masculine, right?

01:46:14.640 I heard, uh, Tucker Carlson said nicotine increases testosterone.

01:46:19.180 Well, so females get testosterone through their adrenal glands, so the more you work out, the more testosterone your body's gonna want to produce.

01:46:25.960 Oh, wow.

01:46:26.860 Very, very little relative to men.

01:46:29.120 Normal testosterone levels in females can be 15 to 70, uh, nanograms per deciliter.

01:46:33.940 I think dudes is supposed to be, like, what, like, 700 or 800 or something?

01:46:38.540 I think that's on the higher end, but, yeah, I think it's, like, 400 to 600 or something.

01:46:43.440 Well, after watching that Try Guys episode on BuzzFeed, uh, whoa, 300 to 1,000.

01:46:48.560 Yeah.

01:46:49.260 Substantially more.

01:46:50.560 Uh, what about estrogen in men?

01:46:56.480 Curious.

01:46:57.140 I think the guy who cheated on his wife had the least testosterone out of the whole group.

01:47:00.380 Is that what it was?

01:47:01.560 That's what I heard.

01:47:03.940 Uh, estrogen is present in much lower levels, plays an important role in various bodily functions.

01:47:08.780 Uh, estradiol?

01:47:10.140 Estradiol?

01:47:10.840 Estradiol.

01:47:11.500 Uh, the most active form in men is 10 to 40 picograms per milliliter.

01:47:15.380 What about women?

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01:48:45.500 It depends on when they are in their cycle for women.

01:48:48.640 It actually says that.

01:48:49.600 It says fluctuates significantly depending on age and menstrual cycle phase.

01:48:53.320 So it can be 20 to 150.

01:48:55.180 Mid-cycle is 150 to 400.

01:48:57.380 And post-ovulation is 30 to 400.

01:49:00.080 And when a woman is pregnant, that's what causes a lot of the mental side effects that come with

01:49:06.480 pregnancy is because they continuously have high elevated levels of, wait, is that progesterone?

01:49:13.080 Wait.

01:49:13.960 Estrodone?

01:49:14.440 I'm actually confusing it with progesterone, which is another thing.

01:49:19.740 You're saying that estrogen makes women go crazy?

01:49:22.080 Yes.

01:49:24.220 Yeah.

01:49:25.120 Women are kind of complicated.

01:49:26.260 And I'll tell you, I mean, I've gone through it.

01:49:27.980 So, um, I know the first few months on estrogen, um, was kind of, was kind of nuts when it first

01:49:34.360 started kicking in.

01:49:35.220 And then when I started taking progesterone, it did the same thing, but then my body got

01:49:38.640 used to it.

01:49:39.060 So it was like, it calms, it calms that down.

01:49:41.380 But those first few months, what are the effects of it?

01:49:44.220 Like, how would you describe the, cause it doesn't literally make you crazy.

01:49:47.760 Like you, you see purple elephants flying in the sky or anything.

01:49:50.420 No, it's, it's, it's more emotional.

01:49:52.240 It's a lot of emotional stuff.

01:49:53.560 But then you're doing, I remember doing stuff that I was like, I don't know why I did that.

01:49:57.580 I don't know why I did that.

01:49:58.780 Like, like through an apple at a window or something.

01:50:01.120 Yeah.

01:50:01.440 Like, like it was, no, but no, like, um, I don't even remember what it was.

01:50:07.640 I just remembered being just very, you like doing stuff or something.

01:50:13.020 It wasn't like, it wasn't like crazy, crazy like that.

01:50:15.900 No, no, no.

01:50:16.500 I mean, you're making, I'm just trying to understand like to what degree of things that like you

01:50:21.160 threw a sandwich in the garbage or you dumped out your milk.

01:50:24.280 It was, it was, I reacted poorly to a friend that they, there was nothing wrong with what

01:50:28.280 they were doing or saying.

01:50:29.380 And then I reacted poorly and then I got upset that I, I was upset.

01:50:32.640 And then you get upset that you're upset.

01:50:35.100 And then as a woman, I've had quite a few moments like that.

01:50:38.300 But what was it like when you first started testosterone?

01:50:40.220 Um, I mean, when I first started it, it was incredible.

01:50:42.500 Like I had just, so this was about like a, like a month or two after I was, I started

01:50:46.880 the puberty blockers.

01:50:47.560 Right.

01:50:48.060 So being on the puberty blockers alone was just a terrible experience.

01:50:51.340 So it like caused me a very heavy period at first because of the drop in the sex hormones.

01:50:54.720 Right.

01:50:55.280 Um, and then after like the first few weeks, um, I started experiencing basically side effects

01:51:00.280 of menopause.

01:51:00.960 Cause that was basically the state that I was, that my body was in no sex.

01:51:05.000 For months, um, when I'm supposed to be developing normally.

01:51:08.460 So I was experiencing like hot flashes, um, these other uncomfortable sensations that came

01:51:15.040 with that, like this uncontrollable sweating, itching, tingling all over my body.

01:51:19.320 Kind of like what a lot of women, like in their late forties, early fifties, start to

01:51:23.080 experience as they naturally go to, uh, go through menopause.

01:51:26.980 It was incredibly uncomfortable.

01:51:27.920 And I, cause I was just like a 13 year old girl and it made it hard to focus on my studies.

01:51:32.700 Um, and there were like some emotional side effects as well.

01:51:34.920 Like I was completely emotionally, not completely, but I was very numb during this time, very

01:51:39.140 unfocused, unmotivated.

01:51:41.160 And I really just wanted to move on to the next thing.

01:51:43.720 And that's, they, people say that puberty blockers are reversible.

01:51:48.000 They're not.

01:51:48.540 I mean, yeah, I'm still experiencing side effects from it.

01:51:52.200 Um, I experienced joint pain, back pain, and most children who go on them go on to further

01:51:57.020 transition medically anyways, um, which I did.

01:51:59.620 And so starting on the testosterone, it was completely different.

01:52:03.660 Like I finally had my energy back.

01:52:05.440 I, I felt like I had, I started to feel like really confident because I was on, I was literally

01:52:12.220 taking steroids and in massive doses.

01:52:14.620 Um, I had like a massive boost in my sex drive, which was, I mean, incredibly uncomfortable

01:52:19.600 given the age that I was at.

01:52:21.420 Um, it was very hard for me to control.

01:52:24.220 And I, I feel like it's very dangerous to be putting young women and especially girls

01:52:30.740 who are still children, who are still developing on male hormones, um, because of that, um, it

01:52:36.140 takes away like their, these, it takes away the, these instincts that they have to protect

01:52:44.620 their sexuality away.

01:52:46.440 And it, it totally changes like your, your judgment.

01:52:50.460 It makes you more, more, more brash, more prone to making bad decisions.

01:52:54.360 And, um, I ended up becoming like very unstable the more that I, that I was on it.

01:53:01.040 Um, I was very vulnerable to being groomed by, by adult men, um, in a sexual way, both in

01:53:06.840 and outside of the transgender community.

01:53:09.000 Um, how old are you now?

01:53:11.560 I'm, I'm 20 now.

01:53:13.260 Um, but I was going through this when I was like 13 to 16.

01:53:16.700 Whoa.

01:53:17.440 Um, and eventually like the, the, the feelings of like excitement and novelty, um, went away.

01:53:24.260 Um, and it wasn't like, I didn't feel, I didn't feel great to be on after a while because

01:53:31.120 it also makes it, in my experience, it makes it a lot harder to process, um, especially like

01:53:36.600 negative emotions, like, um, like sadness, anger.

01:53:42.080 I was just becoming so much more unhappy over time.

01:53:45.160 And it was like all these problems I had were building up and it was affecting all my, my

01:53:48.620 relationships.

01:53:49.540 We, we had a, uh, a guest on who said that she was experiencing gender dysphoria, wanted

01:53:55.600 to transition to, you know, take testosterone and all that.

01:53:59.220 And then spoke with her brother who said, before you do that, get a hormone test.

01:54:02.580 And she did, and she found that her hormone levels were out of whack for her age and for

01:54:07.900 being a female.

01:54:09.120 And so instead of going through the gender transition, she opted for estrogen and she

01:54:14.000 said it cured her.

01:54:14.900 All of a sudden she wasn't experiencing dysphoria anymore.

01:54:16.860 She felt normal and that she thinks it wasn't actually dysphoria.

01:54:19.800 It was a hormone imbalance that was causing distress.

01:54:22.660 Interesting.

01:54:23.240 And so I'm wondering if like, did taking harm, do you guys think taking hormones in any way

01:54:27.840 affected who you were attracted to?

01:54:30.020 Um, not really.

01:54:33.400 I mean, I don't, I don't really find, I didn't really, I mean, I've heard some people say

01:54:36.260 that their sexuality like entirely switched.

01:54:37.900 Like they went from like straight to gay or vice versa while on testosterone and even like,

01:54:41.480 like going off of it.

01:54:42.960 Um, but I've always like, I've always been straight.

01:54:45.800 I've always been attracted to men.

01:54:46.960 And I mean, like a little, when I was a little younger, I considered myself to be bisexual.

01:54:51.260 I had like some marginal sexual attraction to women, but it was never really anything emotional

01:54:55.540 or anything that I ever acted on.

01:54:56.720 And I just kind of grew out of it.

01:54:57.820 I think that's desistance.

01:55:00.560 They, they, kids are confused.

01:55:02.240 That's what I was saying about jazz.

01:55:03.360 I don't think jazz understands what it feels like to actually feel romantic attraction because

01:55:09.100 jazz has been castrated.

01:55:10.680 No, I mean, he was not allowed to go through normal pubertal developments.

01:55:14.920 He never even had like an orgasm before they operated on him.

01:55:18.840 And because they put it, they, they blocked his puberty when he was so young, when he was

01:55:22.400 only 11 years old, he didn't have sufficient tissue, um, to perform the vaginoplasty like

01:55:29.780 they normally do.

01:55:30.560 So he's had so many, he's, he's had to have, he's had all these complications, had to have

01:55:34.980 several revision, um, revision surgeries, and he's never going to be able to experience

01:55:39.280 an orgasm or any sexual function in his life.

01:55:41.400 He's never going to be able to have children of his own.

01:55:43.040 Not even that's that's the not having kids thing is crazy, but, but on a mental and emotional

01:55:48.800 level, someone like jazz, I don't think has the capability to comprehend attraction.

01:55:54.600 And so there is another element to that story.

01:55:58.320 Jazz at one point, this is like seven years ago, something said that they were, uh, a pansexual

01:56:05.180 and it was because jazz was saying that, uh, he or whatever, I don't know, they were attracted

01:56:11.600 to, uh, women.

01:56:13.300 So what I see, what I see here is a strong potentiality that jazz as a child has no idea

01:56:18.140 what any of this stuff means, hasn't gone through puberty, can't experience these feelings.

01:56:22.240 And then it's told by their, by, uh, by his parents at the time he was a he that he's

01:56:28.940 trans seven years old, eight, nine, 10, 11.

01:56:31.500 You have no idea what this means.

01:56:32.360 And you're like, okay, you get your sexual organs removed.

01:56:35.500 You cannot experience, there's no puberty.

01:56:37.540 There's no attraction, but I wonder if what actually happened was that jazz can feel attraction.

01:56:44.560 And after being told by your parents pre, you know, when you're pre-pubescent that you're,

01:56:49.000 that you're actually a girl, jazz just said, okay, I'll date a guy.

01:56:52.140 That's what I'm told I'm supposed to do.

01:56:54.160 Didn't enjoy it properly.

01:56:55.680 Then found out that they were attracted to females because jazz is biologically male

01:56:59.520 and is now saying, then I'm pan.

01:57:02.520 Because if you're attracted to both, you must be pansexual, right?

01:57:05.420 You love everybody, which really just means bi, but they, you know, they, they changed

01:57:09.060 the word for whatever he's attracted to.

01:57:10.000 And if he does experience sexual attraction, then he has, he doesn't have any means to

01:57:14.480 act on it anymore.

01:57:15.320 I don't think that he can.

01:57:16.540 I think, um, my understanding is that if you are, if you are castrated pre, you know,

01:57:21.060 pre-puberty, you will never experience these psychological, uh, these emotions, these,

01:57:25.960 this attraction.

01:57:26.620 Well, there, there's, there, there is a difference between a romantic attraction and, um, you know,

01:57:31.320 sexual attraction.

01:57:32.060 You gain that sexual attraction through puberty.

01:57:34.240 So I can see that there might be like, oh, I think that this person's attractive or this

01:57:38.020 person's attractive, but not really ever feel that drive, that sexual drive to be with that

01:57:43.380 person in a sexual manner though, too.

01:57:45.620 The two things are so deeply interlinked to, so to never be able to experience that, I can't

01:57:49.600 imagine how that's going to affect him in his relationships.

01:57:52.360 Yeah.

01:57:52.660 It's, it's, it's, it's heartbreaking what they, what, what they're, they did to jazz and what

01:57:56.560 they're doing to so many other children.

01:57:57.980 It's, it's absolutely heartbreaking.

01:58:00.260 Well, I mean, that video of the mom was like, she should be in jail.

01:58:03.660 Oh yeah.

01:58:04.680 Have you seen that video where the mom's like trying to get the little boy to like say

01:58:08.080 how he loves being a girl or whatever.

01:58:10.440 And he's like, no, I don't like doing this mom.

01:58:12.300 Like, this isn't what I want to be.

01:58:13.620 Oh wow.

01:58:14.080 It was like on TV or something.

01:58:15.340 Yeah.

01:58:15.500 It was like, it was like live.

01:58:16.960 She was trying to do some sort of live video and the kid's like, no, I don't, I don't like

01:58:20.340 this.

01:58:20.580 I don't want this.

01:58:22.080 Yeah.

01:58:22.320 That's crazy, dude.

01:58:23.100 I'm really worried about what happens in the future with a lot of these people who are

01:58:27.000 pressured into this because man, when you look at these commercials for different drugs

01:58:32.340 and they talk about how these SSRIs, these antidepressants result in thoughts of violence.

01:58:39.320 Yeah.

01:58:39.500 It's kind of crazy that we'd be giving these people these drugs as if it's supposed to be

01:58:42.200 helping them when it's not as making them crazier.

01:58:43.580 But what's going to happen to these people who go through this stuff, I, I fear for jazz

01:58:49.360 Jennings personal safety because jazz is outside the confines of social, uh, of social normality.

01:59:00.400 And I'll explain that.

01:59:01.760 I'll elaborate on that to say social normality is a very, very, very wide net.

01:59:07.160 Okay.

01:59:08.100 There are, uh, uh, LGBTQ people are within the, are within the order of social normality.

01:59:14.300 A gay and trans person walk into a bar, they get served drinks.

01:59:16.700 That's totally fine.

01:59:17.400 But jazz going through this as a child, these children are outside of that.

01:59:21.760 They're not going to experience the emotions.

01:59:23.240 They haven't made these decisions for themselves.

01:59:24.720 They were never able to decide if they wanted to have kids in the first place because it

01:59:28.100 was done before puberty.

01:59:29.480 So now you've got adults who have decided to do this.

01:59:32.940 You have adults who don't want to have kids.

01:59:34.500 It's totally fine.

01:59:35.560 But to have someone who was never given the option to be sterilized, never go through puberty,

01:59:41.360 never had the opportunity.

01:59:42.740 Jazz is going to come to a point where they may want to have children, but there is zero

01:59:48.460 possibility that it will ever happen.

01:59:50.260 And so you are, you have been removed by force without your choice.

01:59:53.760 That to me is scary.

01:59:55.300 What happens to you have a large, large groups of these people who feel like this was taken

01:59:58.100 from them.

01:59:58.560 Well, you, as a dad, you experience when you've created another life, another human being,

02:00:05.620 just this overwhelming sense of like love and purpose that I really don't think you can

02:00:11.580 understand until you do it.

02:00:13.060 Like, I don't think I understood how much my parents loved me until I had Sawyer.

02:00:17.100 It's just like the most absolutely incredible, meaningful thing.

02:00:20.680 And I think it's so sad that kids are going to have that taken from them at a young age

02:00:25.140 and it never can go back.

02:00:26.460 It's just, I mean, it's the most beautiful thing you do.

02:00:28.780 I promise to everyone listening, like it is just something absolutely remarkable.

02:00:33.580 And I mean, it was like the changes to my fertility and like potentially losing that.

02:00:41.540 I don't think they even said that during the consultations for blockers or testosterone.

02:00:46.180 They did mention that I would be able to, I wouldn't be able to breastfeed after losing

02:00:51.760 my breasts.

02:00:53.580 But it didn't matter though.

02:00:55.940 It didn't, it didn't matter to me at the time because I was still a kid.

02:00:59.040 I was still growing up.

02:01:00.000 I wouldn't, why would I be thinking about having children of my own when I still was one?

02:01:04.280 But it was that exact epiphany that pulled me out of transitioning that I wanted to become

02:01:08.360 a mother one day, that I wanted to fulfill like the role of a wife in a marriage and have

02:01:12.560 children naturally and get pregnant and give birth and to nurse my children the way, to

02:01:17.900 feed them the way that, that, that God intended.

02:01:21.620 And I just, I can't imagine coming to that realization after losing the ability to do all

02:01:30.940 of that.

02:01:31.120 Like it broke, it broke my heart knowing that I was never going to be able to, that

02:01:36.000 I lost a part of myself as an aspire, as a now aspiring mother.

02:01:39.620 And even like a part, a major part of my sexuality as a woman, as, as a, as a woman and losing

02:01:43.920 my breasts.

02:01:46.060 You're amazing.

02:01:47.300 Yeah.

02:01:47.740 Thank you.

02:01:48.300 Yeah.

02:01:48.500 I can't remember what happened, um, if they had mentioned it in my first appointments and

02:01:52.900 stuff like that.

02:01:53.380 But I did so much of my own research on what the effects and everything were that by the

02:01:58.460 time I went into my first appointment, I knew that estrogen would sterilize me after three

02:02:03.300 months.

02:02:03.600 Actually, before I even went in there, I was like, I'm not even going into my first appointment

02:02:06.800 without, um, you know, freezing, freezing, uh, sperm.

02:02:10.900 So I could, if I ever did meet somebody later on in life and was open to kids, then possibly

02:02:15.800 we could go through IVF, but that would be the only, only way, but you're taking that

02:02:20.120 away from even children.

02:02:21.120 You're not even doing it after they start, or you're not even starting puberty.

02:02:24.140 So you're not even allowing them that option.

02:02:25.740 They say that allowing children, by they, I mean, people, I mean, like transgender activists,

02:02:30.720 they say that allowing children to trench and to choose that for themselves is allowing

02:02:34.100 them to practice bodily autonomy, but children don't have bodily autonomy.

02:02:38.800 And you're, I would argue that you're actually taking away their autonomy by doing this to

02:02:43.680 them at the age that they are, because you're not, because when they become adults, they're

02:02:47.540 not going to be able to decide, they're not going to be able to have healthy sexual relationships.

02:02:53.040 They're not going to be able to, they could have their ability to have children taken

02:02:57.560 away.

02:02:58.320 How, how old were you, uh, Sarah, when you started?

02:03:01.140 So let's see, I was 32.

02:03:06.500 Oh, wow.

02:03:07.300 So, I mean, I, I, so I've, I mean, I've lived a whole different life before this, but I've

02:03:11.020 always, um, so I always go back to, um, I remember when I was four years old, feeling

02:03:17.060 like something was different for me and feeling that for some reason I wanted to be a girl.

02:03:20.580 I didn't know why, um, never expressing that growing up through the nineties and whatnot,

02:03:25.260 but, um, never, but it was, it was, it was different, always suppressing, always hiding.

02:03:31.200 Um, I actually did a lot of the more masculine things.

02:03:33.400 I was a logistics officer in the army for seven years.

02:03:36.460 Um, and then the first person I ever came out to, um, was my ex in 2014 and we were, we

02:03:44.500 were still going, we were still going through the process.

02:03:46.580 I was going to live my life as a man, my whole life, and then things changed.

02:03:50.580 And, um, I, when I got out of the army, I started to explore this a little bit more.

02:03:56.760 And yeah, I was 30 when I got out of the army and then it took me still about five more

02:04:00.660 years to start transitioning in 2019 before I took the first shot of estrogen.

02:04:04.620 So from 2014, coming out to somebody to 2019, trying to figure myself out between that whole

02:04:10.260 period of time.

02:04:10.960 That's how much time I took as an adult to figure myself out and we're pushing children

02:04:15.640 into this, like in one day.

02:04:17.200 Was the issue for you like depression or something negative emotions?

02:04:22.240 It was, it was very much just, I would, I mean, throughout my entire childhood, adolescence,

02:04:27.640 like even when I started going through puberty and stuff like that, whenever I would even

02:04:30.540 have sexual fantasies, I was always a woman in the sexual fantasy.

02:04:34.140 So that was my gender dysphoria was always feeling like this and always being with men.

02:04:38.220 And so you talk about that, I've, I'm bisexual and I've been with men and women and it's

02:04:42.900 like, I think that I just was more open to it after I started transitioning because I

02:04:47.780 never saw myself as a man with a man ever.

02:04:51.020 And so it was, what do you think about, you know, Matt Walsh says that it should all be

02:04:54.440 banned no matter how old you are.

02:04:56.060 I think, um, once I, I, I mean, I'm very, obviously a very much a libertarian that thinks

02:05:01.080 that, um, we, we had the right to bodily autonomy.

02:05:04.180 And if you ban something like this, I, if, if you're consistent, I can respect your views.

02:05:09.320 If you're consistent and say that we should ban all, uh, plastic surgery in general, because

02:05:14.160 or body modification in general, because that's in a lot of ways, I think Matt Walsh probably

02:05:17.580 would say yes.

02:05:18.240 And that's what I mean is at least he's consistent in a lot of those views, but I'm saying like,

02:05:22.320 um, as, as long as you're consistent in saying that, but I think that in a lot of ways,

02:05:28.180 we just say adults have bodily autonomy.

02:05:30.260 They can do what they want and they can make the right decisions for themselves.

02:05:32.960 As long as they're not being manipulated into it by doctors, because I always, I always

02:05:37.680 say this, and I've gotten some flack from detransitioners for, for being like, well,

02:05:41.060 adults can do it, do what they want, but there are a heavy set of, um, adult detransitioners

02:05:46.620 who started transitioning after 18.

02:05:49.000 But the difference with them a lot of times is these doctors are putting, are the, are

02:05:53.100 still the ones putting in their head.

02:05:54.260 Like they're going through like mental health issues and they're saying, you know what, you're

02:05:58.540 probably just a boy and that's why you're doing this.

02:06:01.040 And so they're kind of in a lot of ways manipulated into it.

02:06:03.900 So I do think that that is medical malpractice.

02:06:08.040 I've, I've kind of always said, I would rather a doctor tell you, I don't know if this is

02:06:13.680 what's right for you.

02:06:14.400 I have no idea.

02:06:15.800 Um, I don't know what this is going to do to you, but it's your body, your choice.

02:06:19.040 You can do what you want with it.

02:06:20.520 And, and we can, and we, and we'll just try to make sure it's as safe as possible.

02:06:24.020 So I said, how the doctors treated you.

02:06:26.100 So my, I, I, I do go under informed consent.

02:06:29.020 And again, because I was so much older, I felt more comfortable doing it that way.

02:06:33.140 And I'm like, you know, but I have a great doctor who, um, I just, I trust her with my

02:06:39.900 levels.

02:06:40.380 And that's really it because I, and especially like after COVID it's like, we, you have to

02:06:45.960 do your own research on anything you're putting into your body and anything that you're doing.

02:06:49.400 So I think that that does, as an adult, you can do your own, you should, you should always

02:06:53.340 do your own research and make the best decision for yourself.

02:06:55.760 The, the argument that, uh, we've had, I think Matt Walsh brings up is that body modification

02:07:01.020 has limits, you know, getting your, your ears trimmed or whatever might make you look a little

02:07:05.120 different.

02:07:05.340 Getting a nose job makes you look different.

02:07:06.660 But what if someone said that they wanted to remove their fingers or their hand, right?

02:07:10.840 People suffer from a, uh, body dysmorphic disorder where they, there are people who stage

02:07:16.960 accidents because they, they go to the doctor and they say, I need my hand to be removed.

02:07:20.880 And they'll say, absolutely not.

02:07:22.280 So in the workplace, they will intentionally have an accident so that the doctor will be

02:07:26.220 forced to remove it.

02:07:27.260 I mean, you, we, we, we wouldn't allow that.

02:07:28.820 And that's, that's the argument that body modification is legal, but there's always a

02:07:32.840 moral line.

02:07:33.780 I suppose your argument is then your line is wider than Matt.

02:07:36.760 My line would be a lot wider because exactly to the point that you would make it that you,

02:07:41.240 that you say that somebody was going to do it.

02:07:42.920 My point would be that they were going to do it anyways.

02:07:44.960 It's whether they do it under the guise of a, of a good licensed doctor, or they're going

02:07:49.600 to go under the black market and get it done.

02:07:51.620 Or, I mean, another thing is Thailand is, it's huge for this stuff and those are good

02:07:55.880 doctors over there.

02:07:56.620 So you're, you have other areas in the world that are doing it.

02:07:59.320 So even if we banned it here, it's not going to change the practice of people going somewhere

02:08:02.800 else and getting it done.

02:08:03.800 But it would, it does reduce, right?

02:08:05.800 When we talk to Seamus Coglin about abortion, you know, the left makes the argument, like I

02:08:10.960 think Whoopi Goldberg famously held up the coat hanger, you know, back in, was it 2012

02:08:15.000 or something?

02:08:15.380 I remember.

02:08:16.140 And Seamus's response was like, yep.

02:08:18.680 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:19.280 They will, I guess.

02:08:20.420 But like, it'll still reduce dramatically because the ease of access, people will stop doing

02:08:25.260 it.

02:08:25.360 And it's a fact.

02:08:25.860 With the overturning of Roe v. Wade, I think 35,000 children per year are being born now

02:08:30.640 because many of these states have removed this.

02:08:33.100 The argument would be from, you know, people who are more strict on whether you'd allow

02:08:37.360 body modification are going to say, sure, they could fly to Thailand, but not in the

02:08:40.580 United States, which will dramatically reduce these things happening.

02:08:43.340 Me, I'm, I'm, I'm substantially more libertarian.

02:08:45.860 I do think there's a moral line.

02:08:46.860 It's probably, it's substantially wider than Matt Walsh is.

02:08:49.200 Maybe not as wide as, as yours, Sarah.

02:08:51.340 But I think it's like, if you're 30, you know, you're well past this age.

02:08:54.520 I, I, the only concern I have is whether or not it's going to be in schools.

02:08:57.280 We don't want kids to be indoctrinated by this stuff.

02:08:59.540 We want this to be something that maybe when you're a lot older, you can experience and

02:09:02.900 explore 18, I think is too young.

02:09:05.960 Uh, but I'm still a bit more libertarian.

02:09:09.160 So it's harder for me to, to, you know, advocate for laws to lock down other people's lives in

02:09:14.220 that way.

02:09:14.860 What about the issue then of kids seeing it though?

02:09:17.100 Exactly.

02:09:17.620 That affects them.

02:09:18.700 And also doctors oath to do no harm.

02:09:20.900 I mean, I think both those things.

02:09:22.680 Well, and that's exactly what I'm saying, right?

02:09:24.500 That's why the challenge is as to what Matt Walsh is saying.

02:09:27.540 Michael Knoll says that the gender ideology should be removed from society.

02:09:31.200 Yeah.

02:09:31.220 Right.

02:09:31.740 Matt Walsh says that you should not be able to get any kind of a modification.

02:09:35.440 And the, the, the strong argument they make is that what happens is you end up with commercials.

02:09:42.480 You may end up with TV shows and then kids will be exposed to this in some way.

02:09:47.380 And then kids will be educated on it.

02:09:49.500 So when a gay marriage was the big argument, it's like 2008, you have a conservative saying

02:09:54.720 next thing, you know, they're going to be teaching gay sex in schools.

02:09:57.280 And the liberal said, no, they won't.

02:09:59.200 That's a lie.

02:09:59.800 And now they literally are.

02:10:01.700 And the argument they make is, well, if the kids see two men holding hands together, you

02:10:06.100 need to explain what's going on.

02:10:07.380 Right.

02:10:07.700 And if we're doing sex ed, you need to explain what that means.

02:10:10.660 Right.

02:10:11.120 So we do get to that point.

02:10:12.960 And that's what I'm saying about, that's the, that's the hard line for me.

02:10:16.240 Cause I'm, I'm a bit more libertarian that an adult live your life.

02:10:20.360 Right.

02:10:21.440 But trying to limit the exposure of kids.

02:10:24.160 So maybe the reality is you can do what you want, but we don't make TV shows about it.

02:10:28.480 We don't make commercials for it.

02:10:31.020 I have no problem.

02:10:32.260 If someone on TV in a show periodically is, you know, trans or whatever, that's not an

02:10:38.620 issue.

02:10:38.860 But when they make whole TV shows, like I am jazz about it, which the whole thing is

02:10:42.640 just pushing this and it's horrifying abuse.

02:10:45.400 Then I think that that's where you get to be an issue that the challenge with everything

02:10:48.600 I think ultimately is that there's no real easy way to draw a line and say right and wrong

02:10:52.980 on one side of the other.

02:10:53.760 Cause there's gradients.

02:10:54.820 Yeah.

02:10:55.280 And I'll say like, that's one of the things that kind of drew me to even being an outspoken

02:10:59.300 trans person is the fact that I think if, if, if kids are out there and they are being

02:11:05.620 exposed to it, like, like we're seeing right now, being somebody like me, that's telling

02:11:10.060 people, them to wait, might play some factor into them and actually influence them.

02:11:14.760 Well, maybe this person who's gone through this, they're telling me I should wait till

02:11:18.800 I'm an adult.

02:11:19.740 Maybe, maybe that's the right way to go.

02:11:21.500 We got this great super chat.

02:11:22.540 Last, last question.

02:11:23.460 As we round this out, ready to rumble says Neuralink will cure transgenderism and wokeness.

02:11:27.500 Well, here's a question for you guys, uh, or for you.

02:11:29.860 If, if you could, uh, let's say earlier on in your life, I don't, I probably different

02:11:34.300 for you now, but let's say they, the doctor was like, we have the Neuralink chip and it

02:11:39.560 will make you, make you straight and cis heteronormative, whatever.

02:11:43.720 Would you, would you do it?

02:11:45.920 Um, it was hard to say cause I, I don't like to, um, think about in terms of regrets in my

02:11:51.360 life.

02:11:51.720 Um, I don't regret things, but I would say, um, yeah, it'd make my life a whole lot easier.

02:11:56.200 I think that that would be, that would be the case.

02:11:58.020 Now I don't really necessarily believe in Neuralink.

02:12:00.040 I think me and, uh, I think me and Shane are kind of on the same, same tube as that.

02:12:04.180 I've seen too many episodes of Black Mirror when it comes to what they can do in Neuralink.

02:12:08.160 Um, yeah, like Elon, you're great, but the Neuralink stuff is scary.

02:12:11.300 However, however, the Neuralink stuff so far is like curing severed spines.

02:12:15.540 Totally fine with that.

02:12:16.460 It's the programmable brain stuff that freaks me out.

02:12:18.920 There's the episode of Black Mirror where, um, the person's traveling abroad and when they

02:12:23.300 come back, they have them replay the last 24, 48 hours while they were traveling.

02:12:26.860 And I'm just like, that would be that you just plug into this computer and they would

02:12:30.040 see your, your memories from the last 48 hours.

02:12:31.820 You'd be, you'd be online.

02:12:32.600 Yeah.

02:12:33.180 You would be online.

02:12:34.220 Twitter into your brain in real time.

02:12:35.680 So this is the Borg in Star Trek, the next generation.

02:12:38.740 It's described as hearing a million voices all at once when you're, when you're wired in.

02:12:43.200 And it, you know, it's interesting because I think, I think the general idea of the Borg

02:12:46.600 in Star Trek, it's the hive mind.

02:12:48.200 They all operate in sync.

02:12:50.020 Granted, they'd added a queen.

02:12:51.460 That's kind of dumb.

02:12:51.980 But the general idea, well, actually it doesn't make sense for communism, but the general idea

02:12:55.900 being that it's not that when they plug you in, your will is taken from you.

02:13:01.260 It's that you now instantly hear all of the voices of everyone in the collective and you,

02:13:05.620 you agree with it.

02:13:07.620 You're all moving in complete agreement with each other.

02:13:10.200 You get that neural link and you're going to know truth.

02:13:13.760 You're going to know acceptable truth and you're going to operate.

02:13:16.120 Like, and, and X is actually, the reason why I think that Elon wanted X is not just about

02:13:21.480 free speech.

02:13:22.200 It's also because it's a rudimentary hive mind.

02:13:25.000 It's, it's human consciousness plastered on the internet for everyone to see and for

02:13:29.200 computers to, to research.

02:13:30.580 And so it does a lot communication between earth and Mars.

02:13:34.960 Many have said Twitter X is a great way to handle this because the delay in communication

02:13:39.480 is acceptable on X.

02:13:40.680 Your post can be seen 20 minutes later and the information is still relevant for some time.

02:13:44.560 Old posts can reemerge.

02:13:46.060 Whereas if you're trying to communicate in real time with like zoom, 20 minute gaps is

02:13:48.800 not going to really cut it for you, but we'll, we'll, we'll wind down there.

02:13:52.180 This has been absolutely fascinating.

02:13:53.920 If you guys want to shout anything out or give any last thoughts before we go.

02:13:57.860 Yeah.

02:13:58.440 This is the moment in history where we turn this around the time to speak ups.

02:14:02.020 Now, the majority of us are against this, protect the kids, have courage.

02:14:07.540 We can win this war on children.

02:14:10.300 Right on.

02:14:11.140 Is there anywhere people can find you?

02:14:12.340 Do you have a X account or anything like that?

02:14:13.760 Yeah.

02:14:14.080 Harrison Tinsley on everything.

02:14:15.500 Harrison Tins on X.

02:14:16.520 You can definitely find me.

02:14:17.720 Right on.

02:14:19.640 I think we all have a responsibility to speak out on what is happening because it's happening

02:14:25.180 everywhere.

02:14:25.660 It's happening in every community in the States.

02:14:27.860 It's infected the entire West.

02:14:30.200 And if I could start speaking out as a 17 year old girl, you all absolutely can do the

02:14:38.520 very same.

02:14:40.440 Right on.

02:14:41.260 What's your social media?

02:14:41.900 Um, my username on X and Instagram is Chucol, C-H-O-L-O-C-O-L-E.

02:14:49.140 And I also have a YouTube channel as well where I'm doing interviews with other detentioners.

02:14:52.640 Cool.

02:14:52.900 Yeah, I think, um, just want to say thank you guys for such a great conversation.

02:14:58.220 Thanks, Tim, for bringing this together.

02:14:59.980 Um, I, there, like you said, there's, there's so much to do.

02:15:03.520 Everybody can speak out.

02:15:05.180 Um, when it's as popular as it is, when more people are speaking out, it's not so scary

02:15:09.280 to speak out because you can't get canceled if it's, if it's the popular thing to do.

02:15:12.440 Right.

02:15:12.720 And there are, it is 78% of Americans don't agree with transitioning children.

02:15:17.560 Um, so yeah, I think that that's, that's what's in, that's important.

02:15:21.540 Speaking out.

02:15:22.400 Um, and you can find me, um, go to my website, sarahigdon.com, sarahigdon with an underscore

02:15:27.540 on X and Instagram, as well as just sarahigdon on YouTube.

02:15:34.240 And also go check out, um, what we're doing over at Free the People as well, where I am

02:15:39.280 the digital marketing manager.

02:15:41.120 Right on, everybody.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 09, 2024

The Culture War #76 Man Saves Child From Gender Transition w⧸Chloe Cole, Harrison Tinsley, Sara Higdon

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