The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #78 Is Trump Winning Over Black Voters Or Will It Be Kamala Harris w⧸ Ja'Mal Green & Xaviaer DuRosseau

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00:00:57.060 So last night, Kamala Harris gave her speech, and it's pure tribalism. You know, you get Jonathan

00:01:04.680 Chait over it. I think it's New York Mag saying, this is the greatest speech I have ever heard.

00:01:08.840 And, you know, we watched it last night, fairly unenthused. You know, she was wishy-washy.

00:01:13.260 The big deal, of course, was Israel. Seemed like she was going to defend Israel, but then she defends

00:01:17.280 Palestine, Gaza as well. And it's like, okay, you know, she's just, it's like, it's vanilla yogurt,

00:01:22.180 I guess. I don't think it was all that great. The question is, how is this going to impact the

00:01:26.600 voters? Is she going to be, is she going to see it go up? Are her polls are going to go up? Are

00:01:29.940 they going to go down? I don't know. But the other question too, is one of the, one of the big,

00:01:33.820 I suppose, political attack vectors was Donald Trump, of course, said that she was, she was

00:01:38.540 running this line that she was Asian, South Asian for a long time. Then all of a sudden, one day,

00:01:43.180 she was the first black candidate. And then the media attacked J.D. Vance and Trump saying,

00:01:48.020 oh, how dare you say she's not black? And so that became some kind of weird talking point. But

00:01:52.920 there's a real question as to whether or not Trump is winning over black voters. So we've brought in

00:01:57.060 some black political commentators. Not that I honestly think it matters, but, you know, we're

00:02:01.300 here to see what you guys think and see if it's true or not. Would you like to introduce yourself

00:02:04.240 first, Jamal?

00:02:04.880 For sure. J. Marl Green from the city of Chicago, former mayor or candidate. And Xavier.

00:02:10.620 Xavier. Hello, sir. I'm Xavier DeRusso, a personality over at PragerU and frequent contributor

00:02:15.860 on Fox News, Newsmax, and Pierce Morgan. And from Chicago, but live in Los Angeles.

00:02:20.460 And that was the best thing, because like for the past 10 minutes, we were just all laughing

00:02:23.520 together about being from Chicago and how the pizza, Chicago Tavern Pizza is the best.

00:02:27.940 Nothing else matters. Nobody knows what Jardinera is. We have the best pizza, the best hot dogs.

00:02:32.640 Everybody else is wrong.

00:02:33.700 Yes, we do.

00:02:34.460 Absolutely.

00:02:35.180 And the high blood pressure that comes with it.

00:02:36.680 Yeah.

00:02:36.960 They were, because the DNC is in Chicago, it's actually kind of funny because Fox and

00:02:42.580 Friends, they were eating hot dogs. And they were like, so this is a Chicago hot dog. And

00:02:46.300 like, what is that? Is it relish and celery salt and all that good stuff? So anyway, Chicago

00:02:51.140 is fun. But what do you guys think? Kamala's speech. Yay? Nay?

00:02:55.580 I think that, I think, I'll be honest, I fell asleep during Kamala's speech. I'll be honest.

00:03:02.420 Maybe I was tired. Maybe it was a speech. I don't know. But I think that, I don't see it really

00:03:08.000 moving the needle how it should have, especially when you just talked about the conflict with

00:03:14.380 Palestine and Israel. I mean, I think you had the Palestinians outside where they were

00:03:20.860 uncommitted because they wanted Kamala to say that she was for ceasefire and she was for weapons

00:03:26.760 embargo. And then you have folks on the other side. So I think she was trying to cut the middle,

00:03:32.040 and that's not going to help her, right? Because both sides still feel like she's not doing

00:03:38.680 enough. And, you know, Palestinians are saying I wanted to, we wanted a weapons embargo, but

00:03:45.100 she on stage said, we're going to make sure they have anything that they need. And so I think that

00:03:50.600 I saw a lot of folks crying, a lot of folks in the Palestinian movement on Twitter saying that

00:03:55.240 they'll never vote and it really depressed them. And I don't think it was a super powerful speech.

00:04:02.220 And I thought that them faking like Beyonce was coming. I think, you know, to get everybody to

00:04:10.680 watch and not get Beyonce, man, you know, that could have hurt them too.

00:04:15.060 It's such a sleazy tactic. Oh, there's going to be a special guest and they post the letter B.

00:04:20.280 So the rumor was also, I heard George W. Bush was going to be there.

00:04:23.260 I heard that. George came out and said he wasn't coming.

00:04:25.720 Yeah. Taylor Swift, maybe. Yeah. I think, I think that says a lot right there. Even outside of what

00:04:32.760 you think about her speech, the fact that they had to pull a stunt like that says, even they don't

00:04:37.380 think she's, she's going to have a big impact with her speech. And they were concerned people

00:04:41.100 were going to drop off. Right. But the funny thing about the Israel Palestine stuff, I think the

00:04:45.660 reason she says both, she's like, we, the, the, the Palestinians are dying and we got to save these

00:04:50.080 lives or whatever. It's because the clips, they want someone to just pull a one minute clip,

00:04:55.580 share it to all the pro Israel people, one minute clip, pro Gaza people, and then talking out both

00:05:00.360 sides of her mouth. Right. No, for sure. I mean, that was the whole approach to her speech. She

00:05:04.100 was playing it very safe and trying to tiptoe on the water. So she doesn't piss anybody off

00:05:08.720 because right now, like that could have been her moment to have this iconic speech. That's really

00:05:12.820 just a cornerstone moment of her entire career, but she didn't come out and say anything

00:05:17.060 groundbreaking. She still really hasn't talked about policy. All she did was go out there and

00:05:20.760 try to have this feel good approach where it's everybody talking about joy. You see every single

00:05:25.300 like news station now is just saying how much joy they have because of Kamala Harris. And it's like

00:05:30.560 still that feel good statement, but it's like joy isn't going to build us a border. Joy isn't going

00:05:35.660 to end the wars that are overseas. It's like, there's nothing that's actually substantial coming out of

00:05:40.440 this Kamala Harris speech. But as far as like how I think it went overall, if I was someone who didn't

00:05:44.420 pay attention to politics, I would have thought it was decent. I mean, she's a decent speaker

00:05:48.800 when she has a teleprompter in front of her. Otherwise, she goes into her word salad moments.

00:05:53.160 But when she has a teleprompter, like she tells a story like I was in there now. I'm like, wow,

00:05:57.200 your mom's a powerful woman. Yeah, I'm not voting for your mom. Right. So did you guys vote for Joe

00:06:02.060 Biden? I did not. I did not. So neither of you are black. We black.

00:06:07.880 Isn't it wild that he said that? But I'm independent. Right. And so, you know, my family

00:06:14.680 has always voted for Democrats and everyone around me. And I became independent. I actually

00:06:23.040 was a surrogate for Bernie Sanders when he first arrived for president. Right. So I was far left on

00:06:29.560 a lot of different things at the time, but also still as a business owner, still, you know, conservative

00:06:34.900 in that way. But I like Bernie because he actually stood on what he was talking about. Right. Like

00:06:41.840 he wasn't scared to say, hey, I'm going to make it to where medicine can be imported from Canada,

00:06:48.020 you know, and mess up Big Pharma. I'm going to. He was very intentional about what he said and he

00:06:53.840 stood on it and he never backed away from it. And I never seen a politician do that, which is the

00:06:58.720 reason why I support him at that time. Was that 16 or 20? Both. Both. And I think

00:07:04.800 that, you know, then after that, you know, he kind of sold out to Biden and, you know, that's a

00:07:10.200 different story. Yeah. But I agree. He stood on what he was saying. And that's what we want to see

00:07:14.200 from Kamala. Right. Is come out here and actually stand on something. And four years ago, you were

00:07:19.740 saying that you were for Medicare for all, you're for a Green New Deal, you're for a lot of these

00:07:23.820 different things. But we can't even debate you on policy because you won't stand on any. And I think

00:07:29.160 what she's doing, I'm going to tell you the truth. I've studied Obama for many years, especially

00:07:35.580 because, you know, I ran for mayor of Chicago and been in politics. So, you know, that was Obama's

00:07:41.500 speechwriters yesterday. Obama's speechwriters wrote her speech. She never had spoken like that

00:07:46.640 and really tied into her family stories like that before and in length and tying it into hope and

00:07:53.860 change. That was an Obama speech, which, remember, she wouldn't got his crew to help

00:07:58.520 her. And that's what this is about. It's trying to run an Obama-like campaign. The difference

00:08:03.980 is, is that people are not looking for symbolism as much as they was then. And they saw that

00:08:10.220 that change didn't come after Obama. So now, is it going to work? It's not.

00:08:15.600 I voted for Obama in 2008. Yeah. Because I, because we were, we were in the, it's the Iraq

00:08:20.360 war moment. Right. Everybody was pissed. I didn't vote before. This is like the first

00:08:24.060 real election I was in. And I'm seeing all of this, these protests. I'm seeing all of

00:08:28.520 these, all this mainstream, all the corporate press and corporate press was cheering it on.

00:08:33.380 But then you had prominent musicians challenging it. You had Democrats challenging it. Excuse

00:08:38.740 me. And then you had Barack Obama was supposedly his anti-war guy. Right. And then what does he

00:08:44.500 do when he gets elected? You know, drone bombs. They call him Obama. Things escalated.

00:08:48.900 They do. And I was, I was not super involved. I was kind of just like, whatever, I don't

00:08:53.220 know, I guess. And then I quickly was like, oh, they're lying. Right. I voted for this

00:08:56.900 guy. It was a lie. I should have known better. I mean, I've heard the stories and I was like,

00:09:01.520 I was 20 years old, I think. And that, that, that hope and change was all just nonsense.

00:09:06.020 Yep. It was all nonsense. Now they're trying the same thing with Kamala. They're saying joy

00:09:08.920 and hope. Yep. Joy. Joy. It's because she laughs for no reason. Yeah. For real. Like if they know

00:09:17.340 it's a problem that she's got these videos where she just busts out laughing inappropriately

00:09:21.700 and then how do we spin this? Oh, it's because she's so joyful. Right. She was asked a serious

00:09:27.880 question about a war and started laughing. What are you talking about? Right. People's

00:09:30.600 healthcare. I mean, I feel like people don't clock it enough, but Kamala Harris has social

00:09:34.080 anxiety. Like if you watch her mannerisms, if you look at the way she busts out laughing

00:09:38.480 for no reason, like that is her coping with social anxiety. For sure. And if you look at like,

00:09:43.300 you've seen, I'm sure her wild numbers when it comes to her staff turnover. If you look at the

00:09:48.000 stories that a lot of her former staff have said, it's how she is so insecure about her own

00:09:53.340 capabilities and how she's constantly in a panic. And if there was a big event or if there was a room

00:09:57.980 she had to walk into with a lot of powerful people, she would make them rehearse like, okay,

00:10:01.960 you pretend to be this prominent person and I'm going to walk in and talk to you. And then they would do

00:10:06.140 it over and over again. And she would freak out. Kamala Harris doesn't even want to be in this

00:10:10.180 position. And honestly, I feel like if it wasn't for Barack Obama's influence in the fact that he

00:10:14.480 would really be the president, if she were to get elected, I don't even think Kamala would be running

00:10:18.380 right now. She doesn't want that position. She just wants the title of that position and to let

00:10:22.680 Obama do the work. Do you think that, you know, so her 2020 primary just fizzles out, crashes,

00:10:28.540 Tulsi Gabbard really just nuked her campaign. Yeah, as she should. Is it then, do you think that she

00:10:34.360 doesn't want to be in this position, but Biden comes to her and says, we need a woman of color

00:10:39.800 for the diversity point. So be my VP. I don't think this was Biden's, um, none of this was

00:10:45.040 about Biden. I think Biden wanted to stay in this position. Um, Biden's ego and, um, you know,

00:10:51.260 his family's ego, they, they didn't want to give up this power. But, but, but I'm, I mean, I mean,

00:10:56.100 in 2020, do you think she was just chosen? No, 2020. Yeah. Oh yes, for sure. Yes. I mean,

00:11:01.680 we got to be honest, right? Democrats, both sides play identity politics in their own way,

00:11:06.640 right? Yep. Democrats play identity politics to try to, you know, for their voters to try to get

00:11:12.140 certain voters. Republicans play identity politics when they talk about folks are DEI hires and things

00:11:18.120 of that sort. Everyone plays in their own way. And I think that, yes, if Kamala Harris was a white

00:11:23.060 woman, she, she would not have been a vice president, you know, and we know that. But I think that, um,

00:11:28.380 he needed to add a black woman to the ticket because, uh, black voters, um, you know, did not

00:11:34.540 really want Biden in 2020. Look at what happened in 2020. I was there. I watched it firsthand

00:11:39.000 because I was, uh, with Bernie. Um, Joe Biden, what didn't even win a state yet. And, uh, Pete

00:11:46.760 Buttigieg won Iowa, right? But then Bernie started winning, then when he won New Hampshire. And what

00:11:52.920 happened was is Barack Obama made the call to everybody in the race and said, listen, Pete Buttigieg

00:11:58.660 is not going to beat Bernie. The only person that can beat him is Biden. Biden hadn't even won a state

00:12:02.760 and they made everyone drop out within 24 hours. Pete Buttigieg was doing better than

00:12:09.360 Joe Biden. And they made him drop out to support, um, um, Biden because they were that scared of

00:12:16.740 Bernie, you know, leading the party, um, far left. And so, um, that's how Biden even got there. So

00:12:23.120 folks didn't want to support Biden because they didn't want him. So he had to have, um, a black woman

00:12:28.940 to say that, you know, he had a younger person next to him that was black for his black voters

00:12:33.960 to support him.

00:12:35.540 Mm-hmm. Is Kamala Harris black?

00:12:37.260 I was going to get into that.

00:12:40.620 I was waiting on you to ask that, you know, uh, my, my, the problem with Kamala Harris being

00:12:46.460 black and, and people talk, talking about this is that she never was shooting with us in the gym.

00:12:51.460 Right. And I think, I think that's, that's the biggest problem. If you ask folks in the

00:12:55.860 communities, why Kamala isn't black, they'll say, well, she never really identified with us. She

00:12:59.760 never really, um, came around us.

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00:14:30.240 To, you know, act like I'm black. And then when she ran for office, it was, I'm the first Indian

00:14:37.080 American and first one of Asian descent when she was running for office. So, you know, just because

00:14:42.940 she went to a HBCU, you know, Rachel Dolezal did too. The point is, is, you know, you can go to a

00:14:50.420 HBCU or join a sorority, but people look at how you identify and people look at what you have been

00:14:58.700 doing with black people over the years. And if you ain't been with us shooting in a gym night,

00:15:03.500 why you want to shoot it with us now? And that's kind of how they look.

00:15:05.940 It's funny because the Democrat view of this is, you know, she's got a darker complexion of some

00:15:12.420 sort. She's got it in her history. Therefore, that's good enough. Right. And what you're saying

00:15:15.520 is it's not even really about that. It's like, were you there with us? Right. Do you, were you

00:15:19.440 part of this community? Yeah. Yeah. See, that's what annoys me is when she tries to act like she's

00:15:23.520 the blackest person in the history of Alameda County. Right. When she goes around, she's like,

00:15:27.160 oh, I made my collard greens in the tub. Nobody's eating your collard greens, especially if you're

00:15:31.100 washing them in the tub. Like, let's be serious. It's like, that's how I know you're capping. But the thing is,

00:15:35.660 it's like, is she a black woman? She, I consider her black. She's Afro-Caribbean woman. She is

00:15:40.480 biracial. She's Jamaican. But is she African American? No. And I think that's where people

00:15:45.460 get confused when it comes to the technicalities. It's the lineage as well. Yeah. Right. It's like,

00:15:49.300 is she a descendant of African slaves who were brought here to America? No, but she is a black

00:15:56.380 woman. It's just the way she selectively bounces back and forth with the race. It's like,

00:16:01.020 can you blame her though? At the same time, it's like in the world where identity politics is so

00:16:04.900 important. I can't blame her necessarily for picking and choosing what she's going to identify

00:16:10.160 with which heritage. But is it annoying? Is it weird? It is for sure. But I mean, why do we want

00:16:15.620 to be? So the question is, is are you black? Right? So then we've got to talk about what's,

00:16:21.860 what's the definition of black in America? What is the definition of a black American? And the reality

00:16:27.400 is, is that she is, she does not fit the definition of a black American, a black American

00:16:32.880 where black was giving to Americans who were dropped over here. And, and, and, and basically

00:16:40.560 we had, our ancestors were in slavery, right? So those that, that lineage is the ones who got the

00:16:47.460 black title, not Jamaicans, not any other ethnic group. Because if you ask a Jamaican, they'll say,

00:16:54.080 hold on, I am black. I'm Jamaican. If you ask a Haitian, I am black. I'm Haitian. People have

00:17:00.000 pride in where they, where they're from. And so for her to say, I'm black, it's a slap in the face

00:17:06.060 to a lot of black Americans because black Americans who actually had descendants from slaves, uh,

00:17:11.100 slavery, um, know that Kamala doesn't. And that was the title that was given to them when they were

00:17:16.160 dropped over here. Well, that's, that's actually the line I've heard from a lot of people on the left

00:17:19.460 about the white versus black thing where you get this criticism from people, uh, who are white,

00:17:26.140 who say, how come you can't say white pride, but you can say black, Asian, Latino, or whatever.

00:17:29.960 And the left argues it's because you could say Irish pride. You could say British, you could say

00:17:34.260 Italian. You have these countries, you have these ethnic backgrounds where you come from and you know

00:17:37.520 your ancestry and you're proud of the culture of that country. Yeah. Black represents a group of

00:17:41.220 people who are ripped from their, their ancestral culture. Correct. So they don't actually know

00:17:46.180 necessarily where they came from. Yeah. So they have that one unifier. Right. Which is why

00:17:50.240 they're emotional when people say that they're black, because the struggle and the pain that

00:17:54.960 actually comes with the fact that, um, we were stripped from where we came from and we don't know

00:18:00.140 where we from, you know, most black folks, what we can train, what we can, um, um, see where we trace

00:18:05.580 is down South. That's the farthest we can trace, right? We can't trace over to Africa and the tribe of,

00:18:12.740 of, of Cherokee and we from Zimbabwe, we can't trace that. Right. And that's why they created

00:18:17.800 ancestry and all these different things. So we were giving the black title, um, because we didn't

00:18:22.820 know where we're from. So that's why they're emotional about when people use it. Which is why

00:18:26.580 I always thought that black was considered this huge umbrella where it's like, they consider people

00:18:31.400 who still live in Africa as black too. And then you have people who are in the Caribbean who are

00:18:35.500 called black. Cause when people say that Kamala isn't black, it's like, okay, I asked them, like,

00:18:40.200 do you think Rihanna's black? And they're like, well, yeah, Rihanna's black. Like she's with the

00:18:43.460 culture. She gets it. I'm like, okay, well, she's from Barbados. She's not African-American

00:18:47.300 either. Is Nicki Minaj black? So it gets into this whole thing. And I know like Tariq Nasheed

00:18:52.240 calls me a tether, a tether. Cause my dad's side of the family is Haitian. Um, but for, for at least

00:18:58.280 the regenerations they've been here in America, but when they found out that I had Haitian heritage,

00:19:02.320 they're like, oh, you're not black. You're a tether. And a tether is basically somebody who

00:19:06.920 pretends to have the struggles of black Americans, but they're not actually black Americans. I've

00:19:11.100 even been called tether of the year, which I'm proud of that. Take every accomplishment you can

00:19:15.260 get, I guess. Yeah. There's an award. But I don't know. I guess it just really comes down to

00:19:18.740 what do you define as black? Are you only saying that black people are African-Americans? Is that

00:19:22.800 the case? I mean, I think it's both, right? I think what happens is, is, is one lineage plays a

00:19:27.920 part, right? That's one. But if you are somebody who, um, is black, but, uh, I mean, as far as,

00:19:35.080 like you say, you said you're half black, right? Or, I mean, I consider myself fully black,

00:19:39.420 but my dad's 80. Okay. But your mom's side, she's a descendant. Uh, she has a descendant. Okay. All

00:19:44.960 right. So you have the lineage, right? Half of you. Right. And I think now it becomes on where do you

00:19:51.700 identify? Because if you identify as a Haitian man, then you're not really with, with the culture

00:19:58.520 in America. You get what I'm saying? So both of those things matter, the lineage and how do you

00:20:03.200 really identify? Do you walk around and you operate as, uh, I'm Haitian or do you, you walk

00:20:08.700 around like I'm a black man and you, you know, in a black community with your black friends, you

00:20:12.700 know? So I think that black people look at both of those things. And I think what you've had is

00:20:16.740 you've had celebrities, um, really shooting with us in the gym that they like, oh, she black. You

00:20:22.040 get what I'm saying? Kind of giving her a black card basically, a black, or him a black card, um,

00:20:27.360 rather than, than having a full lineage. Have you guys seen that suit? It's a super viral video

00:20:31.560 where they put like seven black dudes and a white dude in a room with blindfolds on.

00:20:35.640 Yeah. And they said, figure out which guy isn't black. And this white dude, I guess he was from

00:20:41.680 Compton. Yeah. And he was just like, they're not going to figure it out. He's like, they were like,

00:20:46.280 all right, we're voting for this guy. He's not black. They can't tell. And they vote these black

00:20:49.380 guys out of the room thinking they're white. They're a senior white guy. And then they say,

00:20:53.660 okay, we can end it now or keep going. And there's like four dudes left. And the white guy is just

00:20:56.960 like, we keep going. They're never going to figure it out. Right. And he, and he was like,

00:21:00.460 because the way he talks, the things he's experienced, uh, he was in jail. He, he, like,

00:21:06.660 they see themselves in him and then they can't even see him. So they just assumed he had to have

00:21:11.780 been black. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. But I think it does get to the point too, that

00:21:15.180 your identity is largely your community and Kamala Harris isn't a part of that. Right. So the media

00:21:21.660 I think it's actually Democrats. They, everything is surface level. They don't get it. Right. And

00:21:27.640 then when you actually look at a video like this, you understand that people are, are, you know,

00:21:31.260 somewhat talking about skin color. Like, are you experiencing the same prejudices or whatever

00:21:35.720 we might experience, but largely it's, do you have the same life experience in terms of like where we

00:21:41.460 come from, what we, what we grew up with and Kamala does not have that. And because that's important.

00:21:45.300 Why is because we look at that because we know if you have, then you have more passion to actually

00:21:51.220 do something about it when you have power. So when you look at someone and you see that they

00:21:56.560 haven't experienced the things that you've experienced, but they out there saying I'm

00:22:00.380 black, you know, it's kind of a slap in the face to us because they won't have the passion to change

00:22:05.340 the things that we've actually experienced in our community. So that life experience, we look at that,

00:22:09.720 right? Because we know if you, somebody like, like Brock, right? Brock was raised white. Okay. He wasn't

00:22:16.440 raised in the hood and the streets and, and had the prejudice, you know, he didn't experience all the

00:22:20.800 things that I've experienced in my life. Right? So his, his passion is a little bit different, um,

00:22:26.600 and power or how he viewed things. Um, and so that, that life experience matters a lot.

00:22:32.240 See, I'm not gonna lie though. I do kind of hate that sentiment where it's like, you have to be

00:22:36.640 from the struggle. You had to come from, have a deadbeat dad or be in the hood or go through all

00:22:41.820 these different struggles or deal with racism your entire life in order to identify with your

00:22:45.960 blackness. Like I don't equate blackness with struggle or with urban culture or with,

00:22:51.440 and I'm not, I'm not either. And I, and I'm not saying you are, but it's like a lot of people

00:22:54.840 do. And it's like, when I was watching, I think that video is called odd one out with like Jubilee.

00:22:59.240 And I remember watching that and it's like, they're all thinking that he's black just because he's been

00:23:03.440 through all these struggles. There are so many white people who deal with those exact same struggles,

00:23:07.120 but then it's like, if these white people identified and said that they identify with black culture,

00:23:11.660 then they're going to be ripped to shreds basically. So it's like, I don't think that we

00:23:16.560 should equate blackness with all these different negative connotations if we want to elevate the

00:23:22.160 community. Here's the difference. The difference is the piece that matters is the word that he just

00:23:26.020 used, which is prejudice, right? Like if you are a black person raised in privilege or raised in a

00:23:32.040 white family that, you know, you don't have to experience, um, what it, what it feels like to go

00:23:37.880 into the bank and get denied. Right. That's red line in your community. Um, like you, you don't,

00:23:43.700 you don't know what it feels like to really go into the community and get profiled by a police

00:23:49.240 officer because you, you know, if you, if you raised with a certain level of privilege, you are not

00:23:53.800 going to be able to experience some of the things of just what being black feels like in certain spaces

00:24:00.060 too. Right. So it's not so much of the struggle in the hood, but what does it feels like, feel like to

00:24:05.800 be a black man in America, wherever you go at, whether it be in, in finance, whether it be with

00:24:11.680 the systems that play. And if you have not experienced those things either, um, then it's

00:24:17.100 hard for us to know that you'll go in and change those things. Right. Because if my white mama, you

00:24:21.800 know, uh, always can co-sign or get me into certain places, you know, like you, you, you can't experience

00:24:27.960 that, that real, um, uh, experience of being a black man, you know? But I wonder though, are you just

00:24:33.380 talking socioeconomic privilege? So if you're talking about just like being wealthy, I don't,

00:24:38.000 again, like, I don't think being wealthy and coming from a silver spoon means that you are

00:24:42.120 any less black. You just don't have that urban touch, I guess you could say necessarily, which

00:24:48.460 again, I don't think is always a bad thing. If we want to see more black people be prosperous and to

00:24:53.620 come up and to just, you know, come into, we always talk about, we want to close the racial wealth

00:24:59.620 gap. We want to see more black homeowners. We want to see black people thriving. Like I know,

00:25:03.800 I know you do. So how can you, would you say that that makes them less black?

00:25:07.960 No, no, no. Here's, I'm not saying that don't make you less black. I'm not, I'm not saying that

00:25:11.600 makes you less black. My kids are growing up privileged, right? More privileged than I did,

00:25:16.240 right? They have everything that I didn't have, right? Um, that's, they're supposed to,

00:25:20.820 that's not what I'm saying though. What I'm saying is that, um, when we are electing people in power,

00:25:26.040 right? And this is more about folks who are, are getting elected positions, right? Um, what black

00:25:32.720 people look at is their experiences and how, if we can judge to see if they would actually be

00:25:38.840 passionate about these problems when they get in office, right? And if they don't, if they come

00:25:45.200 from a level of privilege, then how can we make sure that we're around them enough to move forward a

00:25:50.360 plan that they'll adopt so that these decisions can be made? Because what's happening is Kamala don't

00:25:55.920 have policy, right? So if Kamala doesn't have policy, then now we judging by if she black or

00:26:01.580 not, or, you know, because if she, a personality, right? Because it's like, Hey, because it'd be

00:26:07.160 different if it was Michelle Obama, for example, right? Black folks, they wouldn't question her

00:26:12.200 blackness because they know she from Cabrini Green, right? They're questioning other things

00:26:15.800 about Michelle. I hate, I ain't gonna get into that. We ain't doing that today. I've been seeing the

00:26:21.780 right doing that. We ain't gonna get into that. I disagree with that talk.

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00:27:54.200 Michelle Obama for a woman. To be clear, I mean, you know, if there was Michelle Obama,

00:28:03.420 black people wouldn't be saying they were Michelle Obama can win this race without saying a policy.

00:28:08.420 Why? It's because black people would feel that she's black enough for them, that she's experienced

00:28:13.580 the struggle enough that she would care about it when she get in office. Part of the problem.

00:28:18.860 So Candace Owens had this God is good clip. You guys remember this one?

00:28:24.000 Which one?

00:28:24.960 There's a clip where she was asked, God is good. And then Candace goes, amen?

00:28:30.040 She didn't say all the time.

00:28:31.020 All the time. And so you had the media come out like, oh, look at that. See, she's not black.

00:28:36.080 She doesn't even know. She's not from here. She grew up privileged. And it's fascinating to me

00:28:40.160 that the liberal corporate media piles on to this because she didn't know to say all the time.

00:28:46.440 Yeah.

00:28:46.680 And that shows that she grew up privileged. But Kamala Harris, because she's aligned in their tribe,

00:28:51.760 total past, she's always been black. Media says it's fine. How dare you ask?

00:28:55.180 Right. But that's the media we're talking about, right?

00:28:58.320 We're talking about the media that has given her vast majority good coverage

00:29:02.460 and vast majority bad coverage for Donald Trump. So we know that we know what's at play. And it's

00:29:08.240 the power holders and the media that are trying to make sure that Trump, you know, don't get back in.

00:29:13.560 You're not for Trump, are you?

00:29:14.920 No, I'm independent. So I'm straight down the middle. So, you know, folks will say that I say

00:29:20.760 things that are right leaning and I say things that are left leaning. You know, I think that

00:29:25.340 I think that as black people, we shouldn't be with any party. We've been on a Democrat plantation for

00:29:31.360 so long and being promised so many different things and haven't gotten anything that we should

00:29:36.200 be right down the middle. And I wish we had our own party because, you know, but that will require

00:29:41.440 unification because neither party represents our interests like they represent other groups' interests.

00:29:46.800 So I don't believe in capping for either of them.

00:29:48.300 I think you're a, I would call it Chicago conservative. Yeah. Chicago's only Democrat

00:29:52.760 is Democrat for a hundred years. And so I think you and I probably agree on a lot of things

00:29:58.220 politically. They call me milquetoast fenced or kind of middle of the road. But my view is I grew

00:30:02.920 up in a city where Democrats have run everything and they've run it into the ground. And there's not,

00:30:07.200 there's never been an alternative. And so it's not that I'm conservative. It's it. I can just see

00:30:11.380 like, Hey, they keep doing the same thing over and over and it doesn't work and we need something else.

00:30:15.160 Yes. No, you're exactly correct. I mean, look at the reign of Mike Madigan for 51 years,

00:30:20.660 50 plus years and Ed Burke for 50 years. You know, Chicago, people don't, you don't understand

00:30:25.700 when you grew up in Chicago, you are growing up in the most corrupt state and city in the country.

00:30:30.940 Every year they rate us the most corrupt. People don't, people think that there's other cities

00:30:35.120 that can match us. There, there isn't. And, and the amount of corruption that Chicago has

00:30:39.800 with its politics, law firms, taxes, how all of the politicians tie all that in so that they can

00:30:47.680 make millions of dollars off of our backs is, is utterly insane. And the power that they have to

00:30:53.540 control all of politics in Illinois. So we being that we seen that so many years, of course, we're

00:30:59.980 like, Hey, we got to get away from this. Yeah. You guys know about John Burge, right?

00:31:04.280 Burge. Yeah. Of course. A lot of people don't know this stuff. This is a guy who tortured

00:31:08.280 largely black men in Chicago into false confessions with a cattle prod. Yep.

00:31:14.460 Chicago is a dark place. He died in 2018. Yep. Sure did. Dude, Chicago is corrupt, man.

00:31:21.180 Very corrupt. And it's not John, John Burge ain't the biggest one on this. He's one of the biggest

00:31:27.280 because he has a lot of cases, but there are a lot of other police officers just like John Burge who

00:31:33.300 have, you know, used a home and square facility to torture people into confessions. And we pay

00:31:40.000 millions of dollars out still to this day of people who are just being exonerated and getting

00:31:45.860 out of jail. That's crazy. A lot of police officers back in the day, you know, they used to make people

00:31:51.380 confess to crimes that they didn't commit and they'll sit in jail for 20 years. And then now we got to

00:31:56.040 pay them $20 million. 118 people, they say, were directly, uh, he Burge, uh, directly participated

00:32:02.940 or implicitly approved the torture of at least 118 people in custody. Yep. And so the story was that

00:32:08.220 he'd have a cattle prod and he would shock these innocent guys and be like, confess. And then a lot

00:32:15.060 of these guys said, absolutely refuse. They would say, no way torture me. I will never confess. I didn't

00:32:19.780 do it. And then after a period of torture, some of these guys might get kicked out. Like, okay, we're not

00:32:24.640 going to get it. Right. But a lot of these people were just like, please, please stop torturing me.

00:32:28.000 I'll say whatever you want. Yep. That's Chicago, Chicago. And, and, and, and the politicians were

00:32:34.400 in on it. Right. So don't, don't think that these folks are, are doing this, you know, um, and side

00:32:40.760 like, like they're just doing this on their own. No, these folks are backed by the politicians. The

00:32:45.460 politicians know police were on the streets, taking drugs, taking money, giving, you know, put it in

00:32:52.160 their pockets, patting the politicians pockets. The corruption runs wild in Chicago. And so when

00:32:57.860 you've seen that is, is, is, it's insane. Well, one thing I think is, is, is particularly

00:33:01.700 important for a lot of people in this country, particularly on the right to understand is,

00:33:05.740 uh, in Chicago, uh, you guys obviously know about blockbusting and redlining. Yep.

00:33:11.240 This stuff still goes on today. Today, today, it still happens. It's illegal, but now it's a wink,

00:33:17.880 wink, and a nudge, nudge. Yep. So for those that aren't familiar, blockbusting, holy. And

00:33:22.760 this still goes on today. Yep. Let me tell you a story. I was, I was in New York. This

00:33:26.960 is 2014. I'm hanging out with this woke, uh, Hispanic woman, super woke. She, her, her parents

00:33:33.400 were immigrants. She was born here and her dad, uh, succeeded, got wealthy. He, he bought

00:33:39.040 a garage in New York and he, he gave it to her. It was, it was entrusted to her or whatever.

00:33:43.580 Right. And I think it was worth half a million dollars. Yeah. And so she's talking about all

00:33:47.520 this racist stuff in the country. And, uh, we got to talking about blockbusting, which

00:33:52.640 for those that aren't familiar, let me just tell you the story and then I'll help you

00:33:55.720 understand. And so I said, if a black family moved next door to your garage, would you

00:34:00.440 sell? And she went, Oh yeah. And I was like, yo, isn't that racist? I was like, and she was

00:34:05.580 like, yeah, but the property value will go down. Right. And I'm like, so you're woke. We

00:34:09.920 weren't saying woke at the time. I was like, you're, you're a social, you're for social

00:34:12.100 justice. Right. You, you recognize these things are problems, but you'd participate.

00:34:15.940 And she was like, I mean, I want to end it, but I can't lose my investment. Right. So

00:34:19.620 blockbusting, this is crazy because it still happens today. Yep. But, uh, it still happens

00:34:24.780 today. Yep. What they do is they, they would, and this was really big a long time ago. They

00:34:29.360 go to a white neighborhood, a real estate developer would buy a house and move in a black

00:34:34.800 family, give them a good price. Be like, Hey, we got this really nice house for you. And it's

00:34:38.160 a nice family. Yep. Then they'd go to the, they'd knock on the doors and say, you see who

00:34:41.480 just moved in. Right. You better sell now. Otherwise it's too late. They'd convince these

00:34:45.980 families to sell at a discount. Look, your house may be worth a hundred grand. We'll buy

00:34:50.720 it for 95. Now, if you wait, it's going to be 80 because black people are moving in. Right.

00:34:54.820 They sell the properties. Then the real estate companies evict the black family, own all the

00:35:00.060 properties and sell them all the white families at a premium for like a hundred, 110 to make a

00:35:03.320 profit. Yep. Wow. They made it illegal. It still does happen. It's just a wink, wink and a nudge,

00:35:08.200 nudge. Yep. And that red lining, of course, that's named after Chicago South side, the red

00:35:12.480 line. Yeah. Their real estate companies colluded to specifically make sure black people could only

00:35:16.380 move into certain areas of the city. Yes. The important thing to understand is that only legally

00:35:21.700 ended in the eighties. Yep. So that's when they officially like, Hey, maybe it should be illegal

00:35:25.640 for companies to do this to these people. Yeah. That means that there's some Gen Xer who was a

00:35:30.320 teenager growing up in this, in this reality where you have the market itself conspiring against you.

00:35:36.540 Yep. So there are a lot of conservatives who I think are good people and they hear this,

00:35:40.940 these narratives. This is why I really can't stand the woke far left because these are real issues in

00:35:45.120 this country. Real issues. A lot of people grew up with, or if you're like a millennial, you grew up

00:35:49.580 at the tail end of it, but still your parents and the place you grew up was a, was a, was a product of

00:35:53.580 these policies. And so you're naturally like, I don't trust this system. There have been bad things

00:35:58.500 that have had my family. Yep. And only now are we starting to see the younger generations may have some

00:36:03.520 kind of legal protection from it, but that means that they're your grandparents, your parents are

00:36:07.540 telling you this happened to us. And this is a bad thing. My problem with the woke is then they come

00:36:12.320 up with this insane segregationist policy where they're like, we're going to have two different

00:36:15.640 library rooms where only black people and white people can go. And I'm like, that's exactly what

00:36:19.680 I'm pissed off about. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, I want you to Google, uh, J Maul Green,

00:36:25.540 Chase Bank, banned from Chase Bank because this redlining is important. Uh, uh, put in Chase Bank,

00:36:31.240 uh, uh, J Maul Green. And, um, so I'm, I'm banned from every Chase Bank in America because I fought

00:36:38.140 Chase Bank just a few years ago on their redlining. Uh, they actually still to this day,

00:36:45.060 I'm not finding anything. How do you say? Uh, redline folks, um, put, put J A M A L Green,

00:36:51.940 Chase Bank, um, banned. And so Chase Bank, we fought Chase Bank. Oh, this is you. Yeah. So we fought

00:36:58.980 Chase Bank and we got them to give back a billion dollars to the city a few years ago. Right. Um,

00:37:04.720 and Chase Bank, um, you know, was, we got the numbers back from all of the banks that were lending,

00:37:10.180 uh, to urban neighborhoods. Uh, Chase were only lending to their urban neighborhoods 1.9% of the

00:37:16.640 time. Remember, Chicago is the most segregated city. Okay. Wherever you go, if you see black

00:37:22.040 people, it's a black neighborhood. You see white people, that's how it is. It's not, not a lot of

00:37:26.420 diverse neighborhoods in our city. Okay. And so, uh, Chase Bank, when you looked at the numbers on the

00:37:33.260 south and west sides, they were only lending 1.9% of the time. So even in, uh, neighborhoods like

00:37:39.620 Chatham, which the, the median income, you know, uh, folks actually are making some money.

00:37:44.680 They were given a million dollars over six years and the same, a billion dollars to Lincoln Park

00:37:50.320 in that same time period. So you can see that they, they're giving away two or three loans in

00:37:54.900 a prestigious black neighborhood where they were given, um, um, hundreds of loans in white neighborhoods.

00:37:59.400 And so we fought them. We started shutting down branches and I, and, and what we started doing

00:38:04.360 is we started going in every branch, Chase branch, putting everybody out, making them shut

00:38:08.960 down a branch every single day and say, look, if y'all don't want to lend, and if y'all want to

00:38:14.360 red line, uh, urban neighborhoods, then you need to get these branches out of our communities.

00:38:19.020 And so they're, they're doing this recent history. Yep. It's supposed to be illegal.

00:38:22.380 And it's supposed to be illegal, but the CRA act still allows them to have loopholes,

00:38:26.780 uh, um, um, for them, uh, for them to have, still got loopholes for them to have where they are still

00:38:32.600 doing this legally and there's no repercussions for it. And then when you look at the city and you look

00:38:37.380 at the politicians, Chase Bank still sponsoring everything, but y'all are not holding them

00:38:42.300 accountable for the fact that they aren't giving loans to, to, to black people in the city of

00:38:46.700 Chicago. That's crazy. So I'm just wondering, cause I didn't know about blockbusting. And

00:38:51.340 then with the redlining, does that have anything to do with credit and income? Like, is there

00:38:54.620 proportionality differences there? So here's the thing when you're talking about a very small,

00:38:58.820 I'll just say 1.9% of the time. Right. So that, that, that is, you know, for that to matter,

00:39:05.060 that means that you will be saying that the majority of black people, uh, don't have good

00:39:09.200 credit or don't have, don't have no job, which is incorrect. Right. Um, when you look at

00:39:13.540 it, but I mean, when it, can't you say that it skews lower? No, no. What I'm saying, what

00:39:18.320 I'm saying is there are a lot of, think of our parents, right? My mom been at the post office

00:39:22.840 35 years, that generation all were given government jobs. They all had decent jobs, especially in

00:39:29.840 Chicago where they were working for CTA post office, things of that sort. Right. Um, so a lot of

00:39:34.960 them always had the income. They didn't have the education and they had decent enough credit.

00:39:39.940 They didn't have the education. So if, if, if credit matters, of course, but when you look

00:39:46.680 at the numbers, there's no way they can justify hundreds of thousands of, of, of black Chicagoans

00:39:53.280 and you're not giving, um, uh, one, but 1.1% of them loans. You can't justify that. It's too

00:39:59.960 many people. A lot of, a lot of people in the chat are actually asking this too. They're actually

00:40:03.440 asking a similar question that may be credit and these things skewers, skewers, uh, skews

00:40:07.260 lower. And I do think that plays a role. Absolutely. But I will tell you this, I grew up on 49th

00:40:11.720 and Laramie, just south of, uh, just north of Midway airport, 47th street. You cross

00:40:16.900 that street, everyone's black just south of it. It's, uh, largely white, uh, working class

00:40:22.040 and Polish immigrants. We, we, it was always just, Hey, how come you cross this one street?

00:40:29.260 Everyone's black. You cross this one street, no black. Right. It's, it's, that's not an

00:40:33.960 accident that when people seek to buy property, you're not going to get a loan for a certain

00:40:39.040 I just, it's not an accident at all. If, if it were that there, uh, so I know there's a

00:40:44.060 lot of areas of Chicago that are like all black and there's a lot of areas that are all Latino

00:40:48.120 because people do like to live near people that speak the same language that experience

00:40:51.480 the same things that I get. But if that were true, it would be more of a gradient. You'd

00:40:56.200 see someone being like, well, I'd like to live near this neighborhood. The best house I could

00:40:59.720 find is a couple of blocks south. Right. And then you'd see a mix of, of, of people of

00:41:03.700 different backgrounds. It's literally you cross the street and it was, it was notorious in

00:41:08.240 our neighborhood. Police would stop you if you were not black and crossed over. And then

00:41:12.060 they would, they would accuse you of trying to buy drugs. Right. As if going to this like

00:41:15.620 working class black neighborhood meant you were looking for drugs. That's, that's

00:41:18.000 just how it was. Yep. And we had, I had kids in my neighborhood who might have known some

00:41:23.760 of the guys over there. They'd cross the street and the cops would be like, get in, we're driving

00:41:26.340 you back. Right. It's weird. It's just weird. And, and look, by all means, interpret that

00:41:30.320 however you want. I don't know. I'm just saying that was my experience growing up on the south

00:41:33.860 side where you actually had these weird, you crossed the street and the race, the entire

00:41:38.140 race. It's still, it's still like that today. I mean, if you come to Chicago, I, I implore

00:41:42.800 it. Everyone in the chat, come to Chicago, come to the actual neighborhoods. You go

00:41:47.400 downtown. That's what everyone do. Come and actually come to the neighborhoods. You will

00:41:51.260 see when you go into a certain neighborhood, you'll see what everyone looks like. You'll

00:41:55.140 go into a different neighborhood. You'll see what everyone looks like. It's still like

00:41:58.780 that today. And so when we talked about the redlining, the numbers showed even the neighborhoods

00:42:03.620 where the median income for black people is 75,000, 80,000, then the, the, the neighborhoods

00:42:09.100 where people actually have decent income or decent credit, they still were not getting the

00:42:14.520 same loan. So that's why Chase, what they did is they came to the table and said, Jay

00:42:18.120 Ma was right. And, and we're going to give a billion dollars back to Chicago. Um, after

00:42:22.660 I, you know, shut down their branches and, and I got banned and you know, they banned me

00:42:27.120 from every chase in America, but they knew that they were wrong because what was happening

00:42:30.980 is they were intentionally, then they'll say, Oh, what about maybe it's the values. They're

00:42:35.140 not going to make money off the values. We shot, we showed the numbers showed, and this

00:42:39.660 was a great report. Our name was Linda Ludden. She literally did a whole investigation

00:42:43.420 to show, um, um, um, the, the other side to what everyone would be saying. Even the default

00:42:49.680 ratings, the default ratings were the same in black communities than it was in the white

00:42:55.260 community. So everything showed that Chase intentionally were redlining our South and

00:43:00.960 West side to Chicago. And that's why Chase gave back a billion dollars.

00:43:04.060 So what I, what I was told by this activist woman, again, like 10 years ago, was that she,

00:43:09.520 she said, I don't think people are racist. I don't think the companies are racist.

00:43:12.320 I think the presumption is the market is racist. And so this bank, you'll get a guy who's like,

00:43:19.360 well, I don't really have a problem with this dude who came in. He's a black man. He's wearing

00:43:23.020 a suit. He makes 60,000 a year. He wants to buy a house. But everyone here knows if he buys that

00:43:28.740 property, our, our investments nearby are going to go down in value because everyone else is racist.

00:43:32.660 Right. Right. And so that this, it is a big challenge, right? Obviously there's like,

00:43:37.560 there's a lot of people, the sentiment is, you know, we're concerned about crime rates. We're

00:43:42.380 concerned about poverty. We're concerned about these things. And well, my immediate response is,

00:43:47.620 I, you know, Tommy Robinson said this on the show the other week that he does not like the extremist

00:43:51.900 Islamic ideology. But when you get to, you know, targeting a single person because they have this

00:43:56.960 religion, now you've got a problem because everybody's different. Everybody's an individual.

00:43:59.880 And this is the issue. A guy who is not by any means racist will engage in a, in, in something

00:44:07.040 that is detrimental to a community of people because he's concerned other people might be

00:44:10.260 racist. It's like weird self-fulfilling market problem. And yeah, I don't know ultimately how

00:44:18.460 you solve a problem like this because in Chicago, it, these things they tried in acting just made more

00:44:23.920 racism. Yeah. I was talking about this with, um, we've talked about in the show when it comes to

00:44:28.380 reparations. I'm like, if, if, if in my neighborhood growing up in Chicago, where it's,

00:44:32.680 it's largely like, uh, it was Polish immigrants, it was white people and some Latinos, you cross

00:44:37.760 north of 47th, everyone's black. If the government came in and said, we're going to cut a check to

00:44:43.720 this neighborhood, just North of you, all the gang bangers from my side would have gone over

00:44:47.360 and just robbed everybody. And then, and then you're going to hear news reports of like white

00:44:51.300 and Mexican guys robbing black people. It's like, I'm like giving people money based on race

00:44:55.360 specifically isn't going to solve it. That's why I've always been more of a, yes, I recognize

00:44:59.820 these things are problems, but maybe socioeconomic factors are the thing that should be targeted

00:45:04.040 instead. Well, you know, and, and like, like you say, you talked about violence. What we're talking

00:45:09.160 about redlining plays into violence. People don't understand that going to the neighborhoods that have

00:45:15.840 the lowest rate of violence in Chicago, majority of those folks own their homes, 75 plus percent in

00:45:23.200 Lincoln park, 77%, right? Um, going to the neighborhoods where the lowest home ownership

00:45:28.760 is, you will have the most violence. So you can look at the numbers and see that if you have a

00:45:36.460 neighborhood where you have a lot of vacancies and you have a lot of majority of people don't own

00:45:42.100 anything, you will have the most violence. And so redlining plays a part in that because if we make

00:45:48.760 neighborhoods, um, full of homeowners who give a damn about their blocks, right, who care about

00:45:55.500 what's going on in their communities, you will have them holding accountable, their politicians

00:45:59.400 and hold accountable each other to say, Hey, this is not happening over here because I own this and

00:46:04.040 I'm raising my kids here and I want this school to be a certain way. We have to make sure that we

00:46:09.040 empower people economically because that's the only way, um, we can take control of our neighborhoods and

00:46:14.660 not be waiting on a politician. I'm going to pull up this clip and, uh, we'll get a little bit more,

00:46:19.480 uh, political in the domestic stuff. This is a clip that I saw the other day. I want to play for

00:46:22.560 you guys. So, uh, here, check it out. We used to have stop and frisk for criminals in this country,

00:46:27.780 but liberals whine. So now we only have it for soccer moms at the airport. So you like it when

00:46:33.620 police stop and frisk black people, but you're angry when white women have to go through a metal detector.

00:46:41.000 got it. Can we turn the volume up? It was like super quiet. You got it. We used to have stop

00:46:49.800 and frisk for criminals in this country, but liberals whine. So now we only have it for soccer

00:46:54.760 moms at the airport. So you like it when police stop and frisk black people, but you're angry when

00:47:01.940 white women have to go through a metal detector. Got it. And then he bites a Harris Waltz sugar cookie.

00:47:09.140 So the criticism here is this guy says criminals, stop and frisk for criminals. There's a lot to

00:47:16.420 break down there. The other guy then says black people. And there, I saw this clip where it was

00:47:21.020 a black political commentator who said, Hey, yo, like black people and criminals are not synonymous.

00:47:25.460 You can't just change the word there. And so this is what Democrats do. We had that study. I don't

00:47:31.120 know if you guys are familiar with it that said, uh, Democrats, uh, uh, what, what do they call it?

00:47:36.940 They, they, they pretend to be incompetent around black people and speak like they're stupid.

00:47:43.020 Conservatives don't do that. Right. I'm curious your thoughts on something like this,

00:47:46.520 this video and that phenomenon. I mean, that kind of leans into the whole thing of

00:47:51.480 when they're dumbing down their rhetoric, when they're around black people,

00:47:54.700 it's let's say someone like Kamala Harris does it. That's Kamala Harris trying to show that she's

00:47:58.600 black. Cause like we were saying earlier, it's like a lot of people view you as not black enough.

00:48:03.180 If you don't come from the struggle. So for her to sound like she's from the struggle,

00:48:06.180 she has to dumb down her rhetoric. So that's one of the many circular issues that's happening here.

00:48:11.420 And then like looking at that video from like date, right stuff. And, uh, the reaction to it,

00:48:16.920 it's one of those things where it, first of all, I hate that they associate black with criminality.

00:48:23.760 And it's the definition of, I hate how a small percentage of the black community

00:48:28.600 ruins the reputation for the rest of us because so many people try to just associate us with crime.

00:48:34.480 They associate us with lowering the value of everything because we're destroying communities

00:48:38.380 when most black people are not doing that. So it's like, I'm, I have, so don't you think it's a,

00:48:42.760 a, a, a tad of racism there, not just, you know, the folks that are, uh, you know, the small percentage

00:48:48.760 racism there for, for them to say, just like you said, automatically just associate black people

00:48:54.380 with criminals. It's a tad of racism there. It is a tad of racism. At the same time, it's identifying

00:48:58.820 patterns and stereotypes. And it's like black people are disproportionately doing a lot of

00:49:03.460 these crimes. So that's why we get the allegations. But that's not, but that's not true. I'm not

00:49:06.500 saying it's fair though. No, no, no. I'm not saying it was fair. I'm saying it's not true. Yeah.

00:49:09.960 All right. So if you look at crime, crime is proximity, proximity violence. You go into a white

00:49:16.460 neighborhood where everyone's poor, white people are committing lots of crimes too. Okay. So, and,

00:49:21.820 and if you look at numbers, white people commit a lot of majority of, of a lot of different crimes.

00:49:27.660 And, and then people will say, well, there's more white people than black people, all this. But the

00:49:30.680 point is, is that every group of people commit crimes depending on their environment. So it is,

00:49:36.640 it's not true to say that black people are committing, uh, you know, uh, a disproportionate

00:49:41.880 amount of crimes in their neighborhoods proximity wise. Yes. Because they're in impoverished

00:49:47.420 neighborhoods with other impoverished black people. So they're committing crimes against each

00:49:50.860 other. But that argument doesn't make sense to me because of course you're going to be

00:49:53.860 committing crimes where you are. You're not about to catch a flight to some other state

00:49:57.260 to commit a crime. That's why there's no such thing as black on black violence. It's proximity

00:49:59.480 violence. You get what I'm saying? It's still black on black violence because it's two black

00:50:03.100 people being violent to each other. We don't say white on white violence. Why don't white people

00:50:07.400 kill each other all the time? We don't say white on white violence. White people don't have this

00:50:11.420 narrative put on them that they're being hunted down by other races. Black people do.

00:50:14.780 And because who's controlling the narrative? Not us. I just want to say, I blame white liberal,

00:50:20.860 white liberals for most of this stuff. So I'll give you an example. There's this video going viral

00:50:25.880 right now where a group of young, uh, black teenagers are following some 60 year old guy,

00:50:31.780 right? They attack him. The guy flees, they start beating him up. And so the response from a lot of

00:50:37.280 conservatives is if it was the other way around, you'd have a national story, you'd have everyone

00:50:41.480 kneeling at these events. And I'm like, that's not an issue of your average black person because

00:50:46.280 you go to any sane, rational black person, they're going to condemn this. They're going to say this

00:50:49.440 is nuts. Right. And so the issue is white liberals propping up narratives of racism for black people

00:50:55.220 instead. So when, when, when people complain like, Hey, how come we're not getting a conversation

00:51:00.860 about the hate crime committed here? It's like, well, the corporate press is a bunch of white liberals

00:51:03.960 that don't care and they want to prop up the inverse narrative. But again, I stress like both of you

00:51:09.020 guys here would easily be like, Oh, that's, that's messed up. Why are they doing that?

00:51:11.460 For sure. No, no sane person is happy with that.

00:51:13.980 It's so profitable pretending to be combating an issue. It's like when it comes to crime in Chicago,

00:51:19.500 people don't realize crime is a billion dollar industry in Chicago. There's a reason why they're

00:51:24.020 not doing anything to crack down on these crimes. In fact, I'm working on a whole mini doc right now

00:51:28.580 about how gang violence is affecting these young children and how these soft on crime policies are,

00:51:33.580 have led to so many kids dying, like drive-bys and a four-year-old's getting his haircut and he gets shot in the

00:51:38.860 head. Like these types of things are happening and they know who's committing the crimes. They know

00:51:42.420 what's happening there, but then more often than not, they don't want to do anything about it.

00:51:45.640 Cause again, it's more profitable, profitable to pretend like you're fighting the issue.

00:51:49.640 Same thing in Los Angeles, homelessness, they've put $5 billion over $5 billion in five years

00:51:55.840 pretending to fight homelessness in LA. And there are more crackheads and methheads on the street

00:51:59.880 than ever before, ever before. It's like a methhead safe haven out there because they're pretending to

00:52:04.160 fight these issues. They have these different temporary shelters. And I know this is slightly

00:52:08.760 different topic, but it's like, they have these temporary shelters that are as much as $130,000

00:52:13.040 per bed, $700,000 per house and prime real estate. Why? Because they're pretending to fight

00:52:18.660 homelessness because they make more money pretending to than actually. Because that's policy issue.

00:52:23.920 That's politics. And I mean, that's what's happening here. These white liberals are pushing.

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00:53:55.560 In these narratives because they act like they're fighting racism. They act like they're doing such

00:54:00.760 good work and that's how they get back into their positions of power by pretending. So let's get into

00:54:05.560 the politics of it. Do black people know how to get IDs? Yes. Yeah. Why do white liberals keep

00:54:13.560 saying that voter ID is racist because black people don't know how to get IDs? Yeah, that makes no

00:54:19.760 sense. For me, again, growing up in Chicago, I never experienced anybody of any race being like,

00:54:26.400 I can't get an ID. I have no ID. Yeah, that's new to me. That's news to me. Oh, you didn't hear about

00:54:31.520 that whole thing? No. A couple years ago? That was like the biggest story in like 2022, right?

00:54:35.860 Wow. They were saying that black people weren't capable of getting IDs and now that's even why,

00:54:40.680 wasn't it like the MLB championships they even moved? Something like that. It was some huge sport

00:54:46.000 event that would have brought billions of dollars to a black area in Georgia where all these black

00:54:50.400 businesses would have benefited. But they're like, oh, well, they're trying to have voter IDs. So we're

00:54:54.020 going to move it to a predominantly white area. So these black people don't get the profit,

00:54:57.380 their businesses. Oh, wow. Yeah. So this is a video Daily Wire's got up. Ami Horowitz. This is

00:55:02.900 one of the most famous videos. It's been reposted millions of times. It probably has tens of millions

00:55:06.180 of views where Ami goes to like Berkeley and he asks these young progressives, is voter ID racist?

00:55:15.960 And they say, yeah. And he asked them why. And they say, oh, you know, black people don't know where

00:55:19.320 the DMV is and they don't have the internet, so they can't get IDs. Then he goes, I think he goes to

00:55:23.420 the Bronx or Harlem. And what I, one of my favorite moments that basically goes viral because not a

00:55:27.880 single black person was like, I can't get an ID. They're all like, what? Like, what kind of

00:55:31.740 question is that? Of course I know. My favorite point is when, so one of these Berkeley liberals

00:55:36.840 is like, they don't know where the DMV is. It's really hard. And so then he asks a guy, he's like,

00:55:40.940 hey, I got a question for you. You know where the DMV is? And the guy goes, yeah, you just go up here.

00:55:44.040 You make a left on 25th street. It'll be around the corner. As if he thought he was being asked for

00:55:47.540 directions, not it was like some kind of interview. But this is one of the big, like this is in line

00:55:52.480 exactly with liberals presenting themselves as less competent. They create this narrative for

00:55:56.420 each other, not for black people, not for minorities. It's for each other. So they can

00:56:00.480 act like they're noble and righteous. The funny thing about it is conservatives, it's weird that

00:56:09.460 there are people like right now in the chat saying, you know, we don't want to live around high crime

00:56:13.600 areas. So we don't want to live around black people. And I'm like, it's racist to assume that

00:56:17.800 you're going to get that. I recognize they're talking about, you know, patterns or whatever it is.

00:56:21.940 They're looking at a crime stat. But it's funny that on the left, they they will not. They there's

00:56:29.080 that famous tweet from the riots during the summer of love where the guy in Beverly Hills is cheering

00:56:35.460 on the riots. And then all his tweets like, yeah, get him, get him. And then like a few hours later,

00:56:39.580 it's like, stay away from my house. What are you doing? Help me. Help me know. They don't want to live

00:56:43.800 near black people. Right. They want to pretend like they actually care. And so they have this like

00:56:49.580 weird. We are so noble and just kind of racism. Right. And then you have on the right people

00:56:54.460 being like, no, they they have their own agency. They can do whatever they want. And it's it's

00:57:00.180 kind of weird that conservatives have this. I will treat you as I would treat anybody else.

00:57:04.220 And for certain reasons, I don't want to be near you. And the liberals

00:57:06.980 lie about it. But but but like pretend to not be racist. Yeah. But then act like

00:57:13.540 I mean, they're two sides of the same coin. I mean, even when you look at like look at the

00:57:17.220 the the the folks coming across the border, we say, look, we have no space for them.

00:57:22.280 Get them a room in your house. They like, no, we ain't got no room in our house.

00:57:26.820 You know, so they always definitely hypocritical. They'll be out there fighting for them, but

00:57:31.280 but they won't actually want to live next to them or then let a shelter come up in their

00:57:35.940 neighborhood or apartment building in their neighborhood full of them. Then they're going to be at

00:57:40.820 the alderman office like, oh, heck no, it's too much going on, you know. So I definitely,

00:57:45.380 you know, feel where you're coming from. But I think they they both have their own,

00:57:49.500 you know, they both are similar in their own ways. One just hides it and one just up front with it.

00:57:55.540 Yeah. Yeah. It's like one is almost like, right. Honest, honest about, hey, man, look,

00:58:01.660 you do your thing. Right. They're going to talk to you like they talk to anybody else. And then

00:58:05.240 they're going to tell you exactly like, look, I look at these crime stats. I don't want I don't

00:58:07.980 want to live in this neighborhood. I don't want to live in a neighborhood with you. Right.

00:58:10.560 Liberals are like, oh, you're so you're so oppressed. That's so nice. Yeah. But you can't

00:58:13.960 live near me. Right. It's the virtue signaling. But so so let's let's let's jump to the big

00:58:20.060 question that I suppose is Trump actually winning over. They say it every year. Right. Oh,

00:58:25.820 the Republicans are gaining among black voters. And there are some conservative commentators

00:58:30.420 who are just like, shut up. That's not true. Right. Is that every time you got these men in the

00:58:35.460 street interviews where, you know, someone walks up to a black man and they're like, who you voting for?

00:58:39.660 And like, I'm for Trump. Right. Is that real or is that like selective editing? It's real. But

00:58:44.920 here's the thing. It's real. But a lot of those people don't vote. Right. So you got you got both

00:58:49.800 sides. Right. You got the sentiment, which is actually true in the neighborhoods. But those people

00:58:55.440 ain't never voted before. So they won't make the impact that, you know, we're talking about because

00:59:01.760 they really probably not going to vote. But the sentiment is true for sure. When you look at

00:59:06.500 what has happened over the last 16 years, you know, Democrats have had it for 12. Right.

00:59:13.700 People are in a tough position right now. So it's kind of hard for Kamala to sit there and tell them

00:59:20.900 that things are going well when they know that it isn't. Right. And Trump, you know, he had the four

00:59:26.480 years that he had and he had a couple of years after COVID where, you know, a lot of folks were

00:59:33.480 making a lot of money from PPPs and SBA loans and money was flowing, as we should know. Right.

00:59:40.760 In the neighborhoods like never before. And so then you had Joe Biden where groceries are high,

00:59:47.600 gas is high and everyone's been broke, even if you had some money for the last few years.

00:59:51.600 So people are going back to thinking about the time where they just the last time they had some

00:59:57.740 money and the last time they had some money was when Trump was in office, because after COVID,

01:00:02.320 they had all those government resources. So that sentiment is still in the neighborhoods because

01:00:07.260 throughout Joe Biden's term, everybody been broke. I mean, you hit the nail on the head.

01:00:12.020 We're also just tired of our faces being played in. It's like you can only lie to us so many times.

01:00:16.960 You can only pretend like you're going to help us so many times because in 2020, I had just become a

01:00:21.540 Trump supporter, like pretty much right before the election, essentially, and got red pill that

01:00:26.360 whole year. And I remember so vividly because I used to support BLM and Joe Biden talking so much

01:00:34.540 about how he wanted to bring all this racial justice. And then next year comes around and he

01:00:39.080 won't answer a phone call. He won't talk to anybody. He's not doing anything in the black community.

01:00:42.900 And black people remember that. And you can only try to win our votes over through culture and

01:00:50.840 through rappers so many times before we start to see through it. Having Meg Thee Stallion twerk is

01:00:55.980 not going to bring no new votes. Did you like the twerking though? I mean, I wasn't mad at it.

01:01:02.320 My TV was turned on. I mean, it's like, yeah, we'll watch, we'll entertain it. Like it's fun. It's

01:01:08.260 like, I would love to go have mimosas with Kamala Harris. She seems like she has a great personality,

01:01:12.000 but it's like, that doesn't mean being sarcastic there, but she is funny though. I feel like we

01:01:18.520 definitely would laugh. If we're going to do anything, we're going to laugh, even if that's

01:01:22.540 nothing. But it's like, you can't keep doing that and not actually talking about policies or change

01:01:28.640 or action. We want to see action. And one thing about Trump, he's going to get things done. And

01:01:33.480 whether you like what he says, you like his rhetoric or not, at least you know what's coming because it's

01:01:37.940 like, I would rather have someone who's a little ignorant, maybe says some things here and there

01:01:42.480 that might rub me the wrong way. But at least I know how you feel. I'd rather see you coming and

01:01:46.940 see a wolf coming rather than a wolf in sheep's clothing. Like a lot of these leftists who are

01:01:52.040 actually racist, but pretend not to be. So we're waking up to that very quickly.

01:01:57.020 Does him being entertained and helps you support Trump?

01:01:59.460 Of course. I mean, it's like I get into the antics and all of that, but like when it comes

01:02:04.220 down to it, I like his policies. Now, all of his policies, I think some of his policies are a

01:02:07.820 little crazy. Like what? I am not a big fan of no tax on tips. I'm also not. Why? Because the thing

01:02:14.560 is, it's if we're going to have no tax for if we're going to take. Okay, first, let me go back. So if

01:02:19.940 tips are a significant portion of your income, why are you not having to pay taxes on a significant

01:02:26.400 portion of your income? And I still do. So my thing is, is you're going to be dropping the tax

01:02:31.560 on tips. You should be just dropping the income taxes on everybody. I'm also not the biggest fan

01:02:35.920 of the police immunity policy. I do feel like there needs to be assist. They need to restructure that

01:02:42.900 whole thing where police officers are able to do their job. Because right now, police officers

01:02:46.740 literally have their hands tied in a lot of these major cities where they can't do their job.

01:02:50.540 And I don't think he has a policy on that, really, because police already technically have immunity.

01:02:54.860 And then when they ask him about it, he's like, well, there's going to be a commission that looks

01:02:58.900 at certain cases. And he don't even know what he's talking about on that. So I definitely think

01:03:03.000 that him spewing that is a problem. So here's where I disagree with the tax on tips thing.

01:03:08.480 I'm for it, but you are right. Because if they actually pass a law in Congress, Trump signs it,

01:03:15.920 that says tips, gratuities will no longer be taxed. Here's the game plan. You want me to move

01:03:23.440 your furniture for you. Oh, you know what? I do it at a discount. It's only 10 bucks for the whole

01:03:26.460 day. Wink. Give me a good tip. Right. Because then you're bad. But here's the thing. Like,

01:03:31.460 if it just means less taxes for the government, then I'm like, fine, sure, whatever. Right. But

01:03:34.880 it just means everyone, every job is going to move to a gratuity based pay structure. Right.

01:03:39.940 It helps all of us. Yeah. It's like, it's lowering taxes across. But you are right about

01:03:45.700 that. No tax on tips means because the industry pays their staff through, I mean, it's socially

01:03:52.140 required. Basically, you can't not tip somebody that you'll get, you'll get roasted. Right.

01:03:56.680 You'll get made fun of the post on social media. So you have to do it and they don't got to pay

01:04:00.140 taxes on it. Right. Well, I'm fine with no income tax. So, but I mean, and I'm fine with

01:04:04.860 that too. I'm not a super fan of all these taxes either, but would you rather raise a

01:04:11.220 federal minimum wage instead and keep the taxes on tips? No. And minimum wage applying to waitresses

01:04:18.080 and waiters in the food industry? Now, waitresses and waiters, yes. Because when I learned about

01:04:22.500 how like a lot of them make a significantly lower amount. Correct. That's what I'm saying.

01:04:26.460 That's kind of crazy. That's why they get tips. I would agree with that. Now, as far as just

01:04:30.300 everybody's minimum wage. So you would agree for, okay, but you would agree for the minimum

01:04:34.580 wage to apply to them now instead of not taxing their tips. Yes. Because tipping culture has

01:04:40.480 gotten out of control. I got chased out of a restaurant once because- That's a left policy

01:04:44.400 right there now. Oh, I know. I have some. I didn't leave the cult of the left to just go be on the

01:04:52.060 cult of the right and have no objectivity to what it is that I have to say. But I got chased out of a

01:04:57.060 restaurant once because I left a tip in cash on the table, but he didn't see the cash. Oh, wow.

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01:06:45.320 If you put a line through the tip section and then put a $20 bill underneath and they don't see it,

01:06:51.360 they're going to run you down. They're going to come on and be like,

01:06:53.380 he literally sprinted out. And it was a nice restaurant too. I'm sitting there feeling

01:06:58.000 bougie, feeling myself walking out, feeling good with my group of friends. And I covered the bill.

01:07:02.700 So I'm really feeling like I just flexed a little bit. And he's screaming at me in front of all these

01:07:06.620 people. And I'm like, the tip is on the table.

01:07:10.240 Nah, you know what I would have done? I'd have been like, hey, my guy, come with me. I'd walk up to the

01:07:14.560 table. I'd point to the money and I'd take it back.

01:07:16.300 Oh, I'm a Karen. I'm a black Karen. His bills were immediately affected. That was his last

01:07:23.760 shift. I enjoyed that tip. But you know, something that's interesting too, that you

01:07:28.600 were talking about earlier is you feel like black people should be independent. I will say,

01:07:33.360 I can understand why black people have so many issues, especially in a city like Chicago with

01:07:37.020 both sides of the aisle. And I feel like while there are, and going back to your original question

01:07:41.180 too, while there are a lot more black people who are supporting Trump now, I do think a lot of

01:07:45.280 them are supporting Trump in theory because they like what he has to say more, but I don't think

01:07:50.100 that they're turning up to the polls as much as they should be. And honestly, I've been saying for

01:07:55.520 a while, if Republicans really want to try to win, what they should do is stop trying to get,

01:08:01.900 I mean, they should keep trying. So let me correct that rhetoric, but I feel like a more realistic

01:08:07.200 goal for Republicans is not to get black people to vote Republican. It's to get black people just not

01:08:11.840 to vote for Democrats because a lot of these black people are just like, okay, well, I definitely

01:08:16.020 don't like the Democrats. So I'm just not going to vote. No, I'm not saying I'm for it, but I'm saying

01:08:21.340 that that's probably the smart strategy. It's the smart strategy to do. To suppress a vote, you know,

01:08:27.500 I'm against trying to suppress a vote.

01:08:29.660 I'm not trying to suppress a vote, even though I do feel like you should have to pass a competency test.

01:08:35.860 Wasn't that like a South Park episode or something? There was some comedy show where

01:08:39.340 they were like, just don't vote. And then they made the don't vote campaign.

01:08:43.140 The don't vote, oh, South Park, yeah.

01:08:44.680 They're like, we're never, I don't know if it was South Park or not, but they're like,

01:08:46.680 we're never going to convince black people to vote for us. So let's just tell them voting is dumb

01:08:49.980 and don't do it. It's not cool.

01:08:51.440 See, I don't like that, but telling-

01:08:53.040 It's basically what you're saying though.

01:08:54.180 Well, I'm saying to educate them that voting for the left is not going to help you.

01:08:57.320 It's like, I want them to vote for the right, but if you don't vote for the left and you

01:09:00.500 don't vote at all, and that means the right has a better chance, then I'll tell you-

01:09:03.440 What you want to do is you want them to vote libertarian.

01:09:05.960 Ain't nobody voting for libertarian.

01:09:07.680 Yeah, but to tell somebody not to vote is suppression.

01:09:10.640 I'm not telling them not to vote.

01:09:11.860 I mean, I'm just saying, but that's basically what you're saying. That's a bad strategy.

01:09:14.660 No, I'm for it.

01:09:15.500 So I'm for it.

01:09:16.380 You're for suppression of the vote.

01:09:17.980 So I think suppression is kind of a loaded term. I would say, I'd go to someone and say,

01:09:23.260 do you know what you are voting for and who you are voting for?

01:09:26.420 And if the answer is no, you shouldn't vote.

01:09:28.720 Well, I disagree with that.

01:09:30.760 It's like handing a loaded gun to a shot.

01:09:31.960 I think that more people should vote.

01:09:33.740 And I think the problem is in this country and in cities all across this country is that

01:09:37.740 people don't vote.

01:09:39.280 So you look at these cities and states, a majority of people are not voting.

01:09:44.200 The majority of people, the majority of all states and cities are not voting at all.

01:09:50.180 We should be getting more people to vote because if you have more people voting,

01:09:53.280 more of those people will actually vote the right way.

01:09:56.620 I disagree.

01:09:57.020 I think we should start with more people who need to be educated what they're voting for.

01:10:01.220 Correct.

01:10:01.480 Correct.

01:10:02.040 But I think the ones that know what they should be voting for neglect to vote.

01:10:07.340 Agreed.

01:10:07.820 Yes.

01:10:08.160 That's why I'm saying those people would decide the election.

01:10:10.780 All right, right.

01:10:11.160 I got a proposal then.

01:10:12.200 Go ahead.

01:10:12.500 We want to universal mail-in voting.

01:10:15.160 We want to make sure every single person gets their ballot right in the mail with their name

01:10:18.480 on it, very easy to fill out, and the ballot's blank.

01:10:20.780 There's no names on it.

01:10:21.860 It says city comptroller, city mayor, president, congress, and you got to write the name in.

01:10:27.260 That's it.

01:10:28.820 So we encourage everybody to vote.

01:10:30.440 Yeah.

01:10:30.940 And if you don't know the name of the person you're voting for, then it's a blank space.

01:10:34.300 Good luck.

01:10:34.600 Have fun.

01:10:34.880 So I think you can't have these pre-made ballots where only the wealthiest and most lawyer-backed

01:10:43.460 people can get their name on the ballot.

01:10:44.620 Look at like RFK Jr., right?

01:10:45.980 That's true.

01:10:46.820 They're taking his name off of the ballots.

01:10:48.660 I had that problem in Chicago.

01:10:50.300 And then it's a rigged game if they're only going to put 10 names on, and you're fighting

01:10:55.120 to be one of those names.

01:10:56.200 You can't win if you're not one.

01:10:57.620 So no, no, no.

01:10:58.280 Put out a ballot.

01:10:59.780 Say mayor.

01:11:00.780 It's a blank space.

01:11:01.960 And that's it.

01:11:02.660 And then president's blank.

01:11:03.700 Congress blank.

01:11:04.360 Senate blank.

01:11:05.060 Comptroller or whatever.

01:11:06.380 State court sheriff.

01:11:07.360 All that.

01:11:07.920 All blank.

01:11:08.980 And then it's up to the person running to make sure people know who they are.

01:11:13.480 More.

01:11:15.540 Basically write my name on the ballot instead of a write-in.

01:11:19.000 So everyone's a write-in.

01:11:20.440 Right.

01:11:20.700 Everyone's a write-in.

01:11:21.200 Because then we can say everybody should vote.

01:11:23.420 Every single person.

01:11:24.960 However, there's going to be a lot of people, and this is the problem I see, they're handed

01:11:30.680 a universal mail-in ballot, and they're like, I have no idea who any of these people

01:11:33.400 are.

01:11:33.640 And they go, just pick the one we want you to pick.

01:11:35.480 And then it's not about the people who know what they want to fight for fighting for it.

01:11:39.520 It's about the individual going door-to-door, effectively getting more votes for himself.

01:11:45.160 So if-

01:11:45.840 That never becomes a problem because we got a money problem.

01:11:48.640 So unless we're going to overturn Citizens United and publicly fund campaigns, you're

01:11:54.920 still going to have a problem because that means whoever's richer is going to get more

01:11:59.460 votes because they'll have the money to get to more people.

01:12:01.800 It's still true to this day.

01:12:03.420 Whoever's got the money is going to get the votes.

01:12:04.680 They can buy commercials.

01:12:05.420 They can buy billboards.

01:12:06.640 I think by taking names off the ballot, at the very least, activists doing door campaigns

01:12:11.480 with their friends and through a grassroots effort will have a better chance of winning.

01:12:15.640 Not in cities like Chicago.

01:12:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:12:18.560 So the problem is, as somebody who ran for mayor, you have to, one, have 12,500 signatures

01:12:24.040 to even get on the ballot.

01:12:24.880 That means you got to have at least three times or you're going to get kicked off, right?

01:12:28.200 So I was the youngest person to ever make the ballot in the city because of how hard it

01:12:32.140 was and I got two challenges that I had to beat.

01:12:35.760 And so, you know, you will get, in a city like Chicago, money rules everything.

01:12:41.940 And so if you're running for office in Chicago and you don't have millions of dollars, you

01:12:46.440 are going to lose it.

01:12:47.720 When you're talking about grassroots in a very short period of time, if you don't have

01:12:52.540 the money and infrastructure to get enough people to post, because you got to remember,

01:12:56.460 Chicago is a money town.

01:12:58.720 Everybody's working in politics because of money.

01:13:01.560 So if the people with money are hiring all the people that actually want to do something

01:13:06.020 in politics, then the grassroots people who don't have money is going to be at a disadvantage.

01:13:10.840 That's true no matter what.

01:13:12.260 I got to be honest.

01:13:13.380 I feel like...

01:13:13.760 That's the one with public finance and the campaigns.

01:13:15.460 Everybody get a certain amount of money and they can do what they want with it to, you

01:13:20.520 know, uplift their campaign.

01:13:22.080 Let everybody get a certain amount.

01:13:23.360 I will say, if we were to actually issue blank ballots, where it's like, fill this out and

01:13:27.700 send it back in, there's no names on it, your average congressional candidate would probably

01:13:31.240 get like 3,000 votes.

01:13:32.720 Oh, for sure.

01:13:33.360 It's microscopic.

01:13:33.720 Most people wouldn't vote.

01:13:34.680 Yeah.

01:13:35.060 Well, they wouldn't know who to vote for.

01:13:36.800 They wouldn't know who to vote for, so that would stop them from voting.

01:13:40.260 But I think that if you're going to do something like that, regardless if you do something like

01:13:44.140 that or not, we need public financing of campaigns.

01:13:47.380 Because when you have...

01:13:48.480 It was crazy to me that the Democrats at the DNC the other day had Bernie Sanders come

01:13:53.720 out and talk about how billionaires shouldn't be able to buy elections.

01:13:56.680 Then they had my governor come out right after him.

01:13:59.340 Bragging about being a billionaire.

01:14:00.180 Bragging about being a billionaire.

01:14:01.860 He bought the election.

01:14:03.060 He spent $400 million to be governor.

01:14:05.620 $400 million with an M.

01:14:07.540 $400.

01:14:07.840 And so when you have somebody who's worth $4.5 billion that can say, I want to be governor,

01:14:13.640 I'm going to just spend $400 million, who's going to compete with that?

01:14:17.280 It's not possible.

01:14:18.280 On the surface, I think you're completely correct.

01:14:21.080 Right.

01:14:21.320 The problem is the underbelly of what that system would get you.

01:14:26.360 So who determines when the government gives someone funding for running for office?

01:14:31.860 You get a certain amount of signatures?

01:14:34.680 But that's what we could decide.

01:14:36.520 That's how we could decide.

01:14:37.480 If you make the ballot right now, we have the highest ballot signature requirement in

01:14:44.280 the country.

01:14:44.900 We don't even need this many signatures to run for president.

01:14:47.420 The Dailies did this.

01:14:48.300 Back to the corruption of Chicago.

01:14:50.720 You need 12,500 signatures in 90 days.

01:14:54.680 And if you have one signature off, you get knocked off.

01:14:58.740 So you have to go in with at least three times.

01:15:00.720 If you ain't coming in with 30,000 signatures, you can't even run for mayor in Chicago.

01:15:04.200 30,000 in 90 days.

01:15:05.860 Very hard to do.

01:15:07.620 The other challenge with it.

01:15:10.060 We can build that infrastructure.

01:15:11.360 What do you think is a good amount of money publicly for a candidate to receive?

01:15:15.060 If we said we're going to do public funding of campaigns, what's a good baseline?

01:15:19.900 It depends on the city.

01:15:21.600 In Chicago, two and a half million.

01:15:24.920 How many people could get two and a half million?

01:15:27.700 You get 10 people.

01:15:28.860 We're talking 25.

01:15:29.600 If 100 people want to run, the city's dumping 250 million.

01:15:32.440 But it's not going to happen because they're not going to be able to meet the requirements.

01:15:34.640 If we have the same requirements, it is very hard to meet those, which is why you only

01:15:38.260 have so many meet the requirements.

01:15:39.800 So those people who meet the requirements, say, for example, usually in Chicago, you have

01:15:45.940 five to nine people running for mayor because you have to have infrastructure, a name, money.

01:15:51.620 You have to have something to get that many signatures in 90 days, right?

01:15:54.900 And so you meet those requirements and you got five to nine people that got a couple

01:15:58.640 million dollars apiece.

01:16:00.220 I mean, hey, everyone is on the same level playing for you.

01:16:02.680 Except the rich people can still spend money outside to win.

01:16:05.100 No, we stop them.

01:16:06.120 How?

01:16:06.620 We put a law in place that stops them from spending.

01:16:09.240 See, in Chicago, people don't know.

01:16:10.960 We're the only city that allows unlimited funding for politicians.

01:16:14.860 But here's the thing.

01:16:15.620 Really?

01:16:16.060 Yes.

01:16:16.840 Unlimited.

01:16:17.500 It's impossible to stop someone from spending money in a way to benefit themselves.

01:16:20.600 You can say you can't spend more than...

01:16:23.600 Let's say you got a guy who's worth $200 million and we're going to give everybody

01:16:27.360 two and a half million.

01:16:28.440 This is the only money that can be spent for your campaigns, for ads.

01:16:31.400 They go, OK, super PAC.

01:16:33.200 Then we go, OK, no, no, no, no.

01:16:34.380 We're going to make super PACs illegal.

01:16:35.760 Super PACs can't exist.

01:16:37.580 Then you're going to get someone in Indiana who's going to be like, OK, in Indiana, we

01:16:41.640 will run commercials that bleed into Chicago and we're going to make sure everybody, you

01:16:46.640 know, East Chicago or Gary or whatever is going to see this because we know you're

01:16:50.200 still going to have someone there.

01:16:51.600 You know what I do?

01:16:51.980 We're going to fly airplanes.

01:16:52.640 I would rather have that than to have a situation where in nine people in the race, you only

01:16:58.500 got a couple people with a few million and everybody else is broke.

01:17:02.180 If you at least if everyone at least was lifted to a certain standard, it's about how they

01:17:06.800 spend their money now.

01:17:07.860 Because if they got a couple million dollars and they spend a little on TV, they hire

01:17:11.240 people in the neighborhood, people still won't know their name.

01:17:13.600 Here's the other challenge.

01:17:14.680 You know what's going to happen?

01:17:15.640 Let's say Chicago says we're on average five to nine.

01:17:19.580 We're going to give out two point five million.

01:17:21.180 Everybody local television station, television station manager is going to say, this is this

01:17:25.560 is great.

01:17:25.940 We got a guaranteed twenty five million coming in every election cycle.

01:17:29.300 Raise the raise rates.

01:17:30.800 Right.

01:17:31.020 It's free money.

01:17:31.500 So we see this whenever whenever a government does funding like, you know, Kamala Harris

01:17:35.060 is talking about this twenty five thousand dollar grant.

01:17:37.380 Instantly, I see all these influencers.

01:17:39.240 There's a couple of guys that I follow who are real estate developers and financial guys.

01:17:42.540 Yeah.

01:17:42.780 Not political at all.

01:17:43.980 They put out these emergency videos being like with this declaration, the moment she

01:17:48.880 wins, your prices are going to go way up.

01:17:51.140 Right.

01:17:51.380 Because now the expectation from the sellers is going to be you got that money.

01:17:55.920 The government's covering the cost.

01:17:57.240 If the government's subsidizing this, I can raise I can raise my cost.

01:17:59.840 My biggest problem with that policy.

01:18:01.260 My biggest problem with that policy is that immigrants are actually going to get the majority

01:18:05.780 share of that money.

01:18:06.580 Immigrant families.

01:18:07.760 Oh, like in Oregon.

01:18:08.500 Right.

01:18:08.800 Yeah.

01:18:09.200 See, she see people got to understand the terms here.

01:18:11.760 She talked about first generation homeowners.

01:18:14.500 We got to know that is more folks who come from an immigrant family that will apply to

01:18:22.240 that first generation title than the folks who didn't have a mom or dad on a property

01:18:27.240 that that, you know, in these communities.

01:18:29.560 So the immigrant families will get the majority share of that money.

01:18:32.880 And that's my problem with Democrat policies.

01:18:34.700 My problem with Democrat policies is that they always try to be, you know, say everyone can

01:18:40.480 get access to a certain amount of funds.

01:18:42.760 And then the folks at the bottom usually get the crumb.

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01:20:14.740 ...of it all.

01:20:15.760 And then you have the black shields like Roland Martin say, look, y'all, this is for black

01:20:20.340 people.

01:20:20.860 And it really ain't for black people.

01:20:22.240 You get what I'm saying?

01:20:23.240 So, you know, that that is what kills me.

01:20:25.800 And then black people think that these policies are going to really help them.

01:20:28.680 When you look at the numbers, they don't.

01:20:31.080 Right.

01:20:31.620 And black voters are the ones who put Democrats over the top.

01:20:36.080 So I think that, you know, Kamala, what people are saying in the black community is, we want

01:20:41.880 a black agenda.

01:20:43.040 You get what I'm saying?

01:20:44.120 We need something for us.

01:20:45.760 Every group of people get it.

01:20:47.380 And when the Asian community was getting hate after COVID, they got an anti-Asian hate bill.

01:20:51.980 When, you know, the Jewish lobby is the most powerful lobby.

01:20:55.460 Palestinians, they're going to, I'm sure Kamala going to start to move over to their side a

01:20:59.580 little bit to try to convince the Palestinian community.

01:21:01.480 And we, black people give their vote away for symbolism and feelings each and every time.

01:21:07.800 We got to stop doing that.

01:21:09.160 What are you getting?

01:21:09.940 That's why when they ask someone in the community, what's a Kamala policy?

01:21:14.740 Um, I don't know.

01:21:17.040 I think Blair White said it best that their whole platform now is saying that the, or making

01:21:23.200 up all these lies about the Republican platform and then turning them into these villains that

01:21:26.960 they're coming to fight because they're the hero of their own Disney fairy tale.

01:21:30.180 Like, that's their whole thing now.

01:21:32.320 That's, that's the thing.

01:21:33.300 And, and we got to stop that.

01:21:34.640 We did that in Chicago.

01:21:35.460 Now we have the worst mayor ever in Chicago.

01:21:38.140 I mean, we, we constantly keep on, uh, um, playing into the symbolism.

01:21:43.180 Uh, and then what do we get?

01:21:44.840 Nothing.

01:21:45.760 Well, uh, so this is something that I find particularly interesting in Chicago.

01:21:49.280 When you look at, uh, how Chicago voted, they vote by like neighborhood or whatever.

01:21:55.600 Yeah.

01:21:56.640 It's all race.

01:21:58.200 All race.

01:21:58.740 Pilsen went, voted for the Mexican guy.

01:22:01.640 Uh, uh, uh, the, the only, the only deviation was the majority white area with Loyola voted

01:22:08.100 for Brandon Johnson.

01:22:09.120 Correct.

01:22:09.600 But this is, this is, this is crazy.

01:22:11.520 Every majority black neighborhood, the top three candidates were all black.

01:22:15.200 All black.

01:22:15.820 In the white, white neighborhoods.

01:22:16.980 It was fairly mixed, but two white guys on top, Hispanic neighborhoods, two Hispanic guys

01:22:20.900 on top.

01:22:21.240 People were just voting based on race.

01:22:22.280 They were basically voting based on race outside of Brandon Johnson, because what the white

01:22:27.020 liberal community in Chicago does is they find someone that can meet the identity, right?

01:22:32.900 Of the rest of the South and West sides.

01:22:35.900 And, you know, they find their guy that they can move their agenda through.

01:22:39.720 And that's what Brandon Johnson was.

01:22:41.200 He, he, he ends up pulling ahead largely because one, one neighborhood deviates and it's the

01:22:46.880 white liberals near Loyola who it's a mostly white neighborhood voted for Brandon Johnson.

01:22:51.360 Yeah.

01:22:51.500 Cause Brandon didn't get a black vote to get to the runoff.

01:22:53.800 Black people didn't vote for Brandon Johnson to get to the runoff.

01:22:56.040 They didn't know who he was.

01:22:57.180 But once he got to the runoff with the white guy, it became black and white.

01:23:01.620 And so all black people went for Brandon and, you know, the white people went for Paul and

01:23:06.760 the black people, uh, black communities had the white liberals to side with them.

01:23:12.120 Yeah.

01:23:12.300 And that's how they beat Paul Valsh.

01:23:13.520 And you, you think he's the worst mayor?

01:23:15.160 I think he is, is by far one of the worst mayors Chicago has ever had.

01:23:19.020 His IQ is very low.

01:23:21.340 That's racist though, isn't it?

01:23:23.260 No.

01:23:23.860 It's the truth.

01:23:24.920 I know him.

01:23:25.440 They called, they called Trump racist cause he said Kamala was dumb, but I would disagree

01:23:31.220 only somewhat slightly.

01:23:32.480 Okay.

01:23:32.820 I don't live there, so I don't know what it's like under, under Brandon, but I can just tell

01:23:35.600 you that, uh, man, all the mayors were just like corrupt, bad.

01:23:38.800 Oh, they all were corrupt.

01:23:39.680 For sure.

01:23:40.520 For sure.

01:23:41.040 But I think that, you know, every mayor of Chicago has been corrupt with that.

01:23:45.900 We know the problem with Brandon is that his IQ is so low that he don't know how to

01:23:50.060 be corrupt.

01:23:50.660 Right.

01:23:51.060 And so, so you just have like a, a shell guy up there.

01:23:55.420 That we're feeling sorry for because he don't know how to lead, you know, run a city.

01:23:59.740 He doesn't make any decisions.

01:24:01.200 He just walk around and take pictures.

01:24:03.700 Um, you know, so it's like, you don't have a leader.

01:24:06.040 Right.

01:24:06.420 And so usually every Chicago mayor has been a gangster.

01:24:09.860 You know that, right?

01:24:10.660 How did you not beat him?

01:24:11.760 Well, you had the teachers union and you had the unions all come together, um, to, you know,

01:24:18.200 uh, put their money, uh, behind Brandon Johnson.

01:24:20.880 And when you have all of that money at play and the union saying, no, we, we want Brandon,

01:24:26.440 uh, and then he gets to the runoff, then that's what you have.

01:24:30.940 Right.

01:24:31.400 And so we, we got to stop, um, playing these, these, these games.

01:24:35.760 The unions run everything in Chicago.

01:24:37.500 You know that.

01:24:38.460 Yep.

01:24:38.580 And so once the union make their decision on who they're going to back, because Brandon

01:24:42.600 was working for the teachers union and the real mayor is Stacey Davis Gates.

01:24:46.280 But that means that you, you know, you, when you're running, you basically have to lie because

01:24:50.840 if you told the truth and said, look, sound policy is not going to be so good for this

01:24:56.120 union or for this corporation is going to be some kind of compromise.

01:24:59.400 We're going to have to enact a policy that you're not going to like all that much, but

01:25:02.480 really we're trying our best.

01:25:03.880 They're going to say, no, I'm not going to support you.

01:25:05.780 Right.

01:25:05.880 We're going to get Brandon Johnson because he'll say whatever they want to hear, say

01:25:08.920 what they want.

01:25:09.420 And then you end up with, as you described the lowest, the lowest IQ mayor, the lowest

01:25:13.220 IQ mayor the city has ever had.

01:25:15.080 His approval rating is 27%.

01:25:17.020 He hasn't even been mayor two years.

01:25:18.940 Wow.

01:25:19.100 So he has one of the, even Lori and Rom, the last couple, their approval rating when

01:25:24.440 they, when they got beaten, Lori got beaten and Rom left was still higher than 27%.

01:25:30.040 So for you to have a Chicago mayor, 27% at a year and a half, I'm telling you how people

01:25:35.060 feel about him and the, the, the, uh, the migrant crisis is, is one of the biggest crisis

01:25:40.300 too.

01:25:40.780 That's, that's driving that as well.

01:25:42.640 Yeah.

01:25:42.900 I mean, it was wild.

01:25:43.740 Uh, I went and visited family over the holidays and it's all anybody's talking about.

01:25:47.840 Yep.

01:25:48.360 They've, they're schools being taken over, parks being taken over.

01:25:51.900 And it was wild to see the black community in Chicago saying we are being replaced.

01:25:57.520 Yes.

01:25:57.920 And I'm like, I thought that was racist.

01:25:59.060 You can't say that.

01:25:59.680 It's the truth.

01:26:01.780 It's the truth.

01:26:02.480 Listen, we know that there's an agenda at stake, right?

01:26:05.820 Um, and when you have Chicago neighborhoods, right, let's look at the black communities.

01:26:10.660 Just 10 years ago, Rom shut down 51 schools.

01:26:14.200 Remember, you know, at all at one time.

01:26:16.380 And he'd sent all of our kids to different rival communities, different, uh, different

01:26:21.420 schools to go to, because he said that they couldn't afford to keep these 50 schools open.

01:26:25.340 He shut all of those schools down, left them vacant for many years, right?

01:26:30.020 We've had a couple of mayors since then.

01:26:31.820 So now the community has been asking, we want these school buildings to be, uh, community

01:26:38.380 centers, manufacturing hubs.

01:26:40.600 Um, let's do something with these school buildings that are sitting here vacant in our community.

01:26:43.940 Cause what they do is they don't invest in our communities.

01:26:45.700 They leave these buildings, you know, to, to, to, to go to shreds and they don't really

01:26:49.600 care.

01:26:49.860 They don't come and maintenance them.

01:26:51.180 They don't never come back to them.

01:26:52.640 And so the migrant crisis happens.

01:26:55.780 And the first thing that they do is go to them schools that we shut down 10 years ago

01:27:00.620 and let's rebuild these schools and make them shelters and, and childcare centers and, uh,

01:27:07.420 for the mic.

01:27:08.080 So people see like, Oh, Whoa, this school, we've been asking to do something for this

01:27:13.380 school for all these years and you're going to give it to them.

01:27:15.600 And then they look and see, they're giving them childcare, transportation every day.

01:27:19.720 They're, they're feeding them $125 million, uh, just to feed them.

01:27:23.380 They're giving $17 per day per migrant.

01:27:26.100 We don't even spend that in the schools.

01:27:27.780 But you know why they're, you know why they're doing it?

01:27:30.080 Because I already know these people are like black people vote for us anyway.

01:27:33.360 Right.

01:27:34.100 That's the problem.

01:27:35.120 They take, they take our vote for granted.

01:27:37.700 And what they're trying to do is they think that they're going to build this base, right?

01:27:42.480 Of people by doing this, what really is just going to bite them in the rear in the end

01:27:47.380 because they're, they're usually more conservative.

01:27:49.080 So you got to vote for Trump.

01:27:50.420 No, I think that, uh, I think that, uh, I'll stay independent.

01:27:56.260 I'm going to withhold who I'm voting for.

01:27:58.080 But what I will say, because now RFK is endorsing Trump today, right?

01:28:02.320 Yeah.

01:28:02.760 That's what they say.

01:28:03.640 I mean, Trump announced a special guest.

01:28:05.660 He did, he did, you know, I like RFK.

01:28:08.100 I think that, um, you know, I like his stance on a lot of things from, you know, vaccines on down.

01:28:13.380 He had, he had a lot of great independent stances that I agree with.

01:28:17.720 Um, but what's going on in Chicago with the, with this crisis, um, is real.

01:28:22.240 We're spending millions of dollars each and every day.

01:28:24.120 We spent probably 20 million this week just because we were hiding them.

01:28:28.200 You know, Chicago spent money to hide.

01:28:29.800 Hiding?

01:28:30.480 Yes.

01:28:30.820 The whole goal for the DNC was to clean up downtown, clean up graffiti, remove all the

01:28:36.980 homeless people, take all of the tens of thousands of migrants were taken care of and, and put

01:28:42.300 them all in different neighborhoods and hide them for a week so that when people come in,

01:28:46.300 they don't have to see them.

01:28:47.140 I wonder if they're going to do that in LA for the Olympics in three years.

01:28:50.160 Oh, yes.

01:28:50.880 That's what they do.

01:28:52.240 That's what they do.

01:28:53.140 I feel like the migrant crisis really is one of the main things that's getting a lot of black people to stop

01:28:57.540 supporting the left because it is wildly out of control.

01:29:01.060 New York is insane.

01:29:03.040 You know, 20% of their hotels and most of them, the luxury ones are just full of migrants.

01:29:08.220 They're causing all this chaos on the street.

01:29:10.380 My friend Emily was just doing a news hit out there and she was like trying to walk to her hotel.

01:29:15.220 A police officer came up and told her like, you realize like pretty much everybody in this entire block

01:29:20.000 because there was hundreds of people just walking around out there, all illegal immigrants who were

01:29:24.000 just trying to figure out like either where they were staying or getting their resources.

01:29:26.980 They come in busloads and just get out of the car.

01:29:30.160 And it's not even just the major cities.

01:29:32.300 It's like these small rural towns too.

01:29:34.560 So my parents live in this really small town in Illinois and my mom, she's always been super, super far left.

01:29:41.200 And she told me she's at the point that she's about to get a shovel and build the wall herself.

01:29:45.220 Because every summer they just come in busloads.

01:29:49.000 And this is to what you were saying earlier.

01:29:51.500 There are a lot of black people who just will not say they're voting for Trump because my

01:29:54.760 auntie told me I will never tell anybody, but I'm voting for Trump.

01:29:58.280 So there is a lot of black people who just don't want to be shamed for voting for Trump.

01:30:03.700 But the reality is it's because they're watching what's going on with this crisis right now.

01:30:09.020 You got veterans that are homeless.

01:30:10.440 We got 20,000 homeless young people in Chicago.

01:30:13.640 We got thousands of people.

01:30:15.260 We got the highest unemployment rate of any metro area with an urban population right now, 6.4%.

01:30:20.600 Over 100,000 people don't have jobs.

01:30:22.360 But we're spending millions of dollars each day, six months of free rent for them.

01:30:28.440 The state has spent over $50 million in the last 18 months just to pay for their rent.

01:30:33.220 We're feeding them each and every day.

01:30:35.080 Child care, transportation.

01:30:36.180 The county has given them free health care.

01:30:38.160 When they see the incentives they're getting, they're getting stipends, okay?

01:30:42.080 They're getting stipends each and every month.

01:30:44.420 When you see the incentives that they're getting and you look at our communities that have been

01:30:48.540 suffering and say, God damn, there's no team to enhance our lives.

01:30:51.800 I think I know the play here.

01:30:54.340 Democrats are spending tens of millions of dollars on these illegal immigrants.

01:30:58.300 It's going to rack up to hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:31:00.260 It's already at billions already.

01:31:01.520 It's already at billions.

01:31:02.160 There we go.

01:31:02.440 So what's going to happen is black voters and Trump voters are going to come together

01:31:08.460 complaining about how all these non-citizens are getting money.

01:31:11.440 And the Democrats are going to be like, well, maybe we shouldn't be giving money to these

01:31:15.160 non-citizens.

01:31:15.680 Let's compromise and do reparations.

01:31:17.420 And then you're going to get all the Americans being like, I would rather American citizens

01:31:20.920 get this money and investment than non-citizens.

01:31:23.620 And there's your-

01:31:24.240 That's a good-

01:31:25.540 Hey, if that happens, that's good.

01:31:28.800 But we might as well have got reparations instead of spending these billions of dollars.

01:31:33.920 It's kind of a funny thing.

01:31:35.220 You go to a conservative and say, should we pay reparations?

01:31:37.660 They're going to be like, this is a bad idea.

01:31:38.740 We shouldn't do it.

01:31:39.800 What if your only choice was to either fund illegal immigrants or reparations?

01:31:44.200 It's going to be like, oh.

01:31:45.060 You're going to see that racism come in.

01:31:47.820 I was going to say, they're going to be calling us the hardest R's you can think of.

01:31:51.780 Right, because they're going to be like, you know what?

01:31:53.960 The migrants ain't so bad.

01:31:55.480 Oh, I disagree.

01:31:56.540 I disagree.

01:31:57.500 I think a majority will, but there'll be a few that'll be like, no, we don't want to

01:32:00.880 give them no money.

01:32:01.520 You know, so for sure.

01:32:02.600 We had a guy on the show, I can't remember who it was, but my idea was, it's supposed

01:32:06.520 to be 40 acres and a mule.

01:32:07.660 Is that what it was?

01:32:08.240 Yeah.

01:32:09.140 Well, the Bureau of Land Management owns how many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands

01:32:12.920 or millions?

01:32:13.520 I think it's hundreds of millions of acres or whatever.

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01:33:40.400 However, how many, what the number is.

01:33:44.560 Yeah, just take it off from the federal government.

01:33:46.160 Give it to who I like.

01:33:46.960 I would rather that we pay reparations in giving 40 acres from BLM, the governmental BLM, to BLM.

01:33:54.760 You know what I'm saying?

01:33:55.460 For sure.

01:33:55.980 I would rather American citizens, even if it is based on race, I'm not a fan of doing

01:33:59.340 it that way.

01:34:00.060 But if it takes it from the federal government, I'm fine with it.

01:34:02.420 Right.

01:34:03.040 There you go.

01:34:03.480 Compromise, everybody.

01:34:04.240 All right, that sounds good.

01:34:05.760 So you would rather give reparations to the lineage of folks who have descendants of slavery

01:34:11.800 in this country than to pay the money for illegal immigrants.

01:34:17.300 Oh, me, for sure, dude.

01:34:18.600 All right, love it.

01:34:19.480 See, what I don't like about today doing reparations is that things have changed to a certain degree

01:34:25.900 where you've got people of different racial backgrounds, and I think there's a risk of

01:34:29.920 racial animosity if you are like, it's going to be race-based.

01:34:32.980 If you said something like, it'll be based on the descendants of those who are enslaved,

01:34:38.600 there's going to be some white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed guy who's going to be like, actually,

01:34:41.440 I do have a great, great, great grandmother, 2% black or whatever, 1%, and it's just like,

01:34:47.580 I don't know.

01:34:48.440 But it needs to be that way.

01:34:50.000 The truth of the matter is that if you didn't have ancestors who actually have suffered,

01:34:55.900 then how can you get reparations?

01:34:56.940 Look at what happened with the Japanese.

01:34:58.920 You go to Japan, it's beautiful out there.

01:35:01.780 Who paid those reparations?

01:35:03.300 Let's be serious.

01:35:04.020 So we have to understand that every group of community that have actually been tortured

01:35:10.560 and hurt in some way got repaired.

01:35:13.260 Here's the problem.

01:35:14.260 There's going to be a black guy who, fourth generation here in this country, turns out,

01:35:20.860 actually, families were wealthy immigrants from, say, Jamaica or Nigeria or whatever, and

01:35:26.260 he grew up poor because they moved here and then had hard times or whatever.

01:35:30.460 That's unfortunate.

01:35:31.400 And then there's going to be a white dude who's going to be like, wow, I'm getting 40

01:35:34.220 acres.

01:35:35.040 People are going to get pissed about that.

01:35:36.600 No one's going to be happy with how that plays out.

01:35:38.180 Yeah, but I don't think so.

01:35:39.720 I think it'll be a little bit different.

01:35:41.720 You have a very small percentage.

01:35:43.340 That's a very small percentage, right?

01:35:45.340 Yeah.

01:35:45.540 Majority of those folks who have descendants of slaves would not have that problem.

01:35:52.760 But I'll tell you this.

01:35:53.760 Just outside of any of that argument, if right now we had the option to basically take all

01:35:58.520 the land from the Bureau of Land Management, which why does the federal government just

01:36:01.300 seize this property anyway?

01:36:02.440 Right.

01:36:02.740 And we gave that to American citizens.

01:36:04.740 American citizens.

01:36:05.360 That's great for the economy.

01:36:06.120 Just do it.

01:36:06.420 It is.

01:36:07.280 Because, hey, we creative.

01:36:09.220 We're going to do something with it, right?

01:36:10.700 We're going to build.

01:36:11.640 We're going to build businesses.

01:36:13.120 We're going to pour back into the economy.

01:36:15.480 It's going to create new tax base, a new property tax base.

01:36:18.660 When I ran for mayor, that was one of my policies, right?

01:36:20.620 We got tens of thousands of lots and land out here.

01:36:24.260 Why aren't we giving them incentives to build on it?

01:36:27.180 Give them a tax freeze.

01:36:29.940 It's 247.3 million acres controlled by the BLM.

01:36:34.140 Yeah.

01:36:34.580 That's insane.

01:36:35.960 That's wild.

01:36:36.540 And it's largely in the West.

01:36:40.100 And to be fair, a lot of this land is mountains.

01:36:42.540 You can't really do anything with.

01:36:44.280 But I don't like the idea of the federal government just taking all of that land and controlling it and doing like, nah.

01:36:50.340 Nothing with it, dude.

01:36:51.820 Nevada is basically wholly owned by the federal government.

01:36:54.440 That's problematic.

01:36:55.820 And then we sit here and talk about, oh, let's not get rid of student loan debt or medical debt or all these different things where majority of black people have debt.

01:37:03.440 But we still, we can expend billions of dollars each day on this crisis, but we just don't want to get rid of debt.

01:37:11.560 I mean, it's crazy.

01:37:12.900 I got to be honest.

01:37:14.040 I'm sorry.

01:37:14.340 Just real quick.

01:37:15.080 Like, I can certainly understand like a moral issue someone might have with giving out resources from the government based on race and things like this.

01:37:21.620 But I really, I really don't see very many negatives to the positives for even someone who's particularly racist.

01:37:28.340 When you look at how much land the federal government owns and controls and does nothing with, to just be like, it's better off in the hands of private American citizens.

01:37:37.680 And if it's the compromise, just do it.

01:37:41.600 It weakens federal government, which is overbearing and much too powerful as it is.

01:37:45.040 It may not result in grand flourishing cities or whoever, but I don't care.

01:37:49.640 Right.

01:37:49.840 I don't understand why we just sit back and say the federal government deserves to own and control this land for no reason.

01:37:54.020 Right.

01:37:54.500 I think a land and a check need to come for sure.

01:37:58.300 Look, I'm all for defunding the federal government.

01:38:01.040 But, you know, I just feel like our country's in way too much debt to be giving money to immigrants.

01:38:04.600 We're in way too much debt to be giving money to black people.

01:38:07.720 We're like just for being black.

01:38:09.800 We are in too much debt for any of this.

01:38:11.980 Just for being black.

01:38:12.940 Is that what the money for?

01:38:14.020 That's not what the money for.

01:38:15.460 Okay.

01:38:16.400 Talking about slavery reparations.

01:38:17.940 I feel like we are so far removed from that because I really just hate identity politics.

01:38:21.620 It should have been happening.

01:38:22.860 It should have happened in a long time.

01:38:23.840 That don't mean now since it didn't happen when it should, we shouldn't do it.

01:38:27.720 But the entire country now is in the systemic benefit of people of color, in my opinion now.

01:38:31.900 It's a who?

01:38:32.660 It's in the systemic benefit of people of color.

01:38:34.780 Why?

01:38:35.280 Because they put up black faces?

01:38:37.160 Because there are so many different protocols that put black people in a position of privilege.

01:38:42.480 I mean, look at the way that –

01:38:43.720 Like what?

01:38:44.060 Like when it comes to the education system.

01:38:45.400 When it comes to higher education, you have black women who are outpacing pretty much every demographic now when it comes to graduation rates and increasing – the increase in getting degrees.

01:38:55.040 Where's the racial wealth gap?

01:38:56.760 The racial wealth gap?

01:38:57.920 Yeah.

01:38:59.000 I mean it's – there's still a deficit there.

01:39:01.540 But I mean it's certainly –

01:39:02.300 Has it ever increased because of what you're talking about?

01:39:04.520 I mean it's getting better.

01:39:05.520 There's like over 2 million black millionaires in America.

01:39:07.980 The racial wealth gap is not getting better.

01:39:09.380 But there are more black people who are more prosperous.

01:39:11.400 But it's like you have to look at so many other factors because there are so many opportunities that are out there to be successful.

01:39:15.620 What you're talking about are individuals who do – see –

01:39:19.200 But what separates those individuals from the collective is the choices they make.

01:39:23.560 No.

01:39:24.240 That's incorrect.

01:39:25.760 We got to understand that there are success stories.

01:39:28.740 I'm one of them, right?

01:39:29.920 And I'm one who can live in a procedures community and give my kids privilege.

01:39:34.920 That's not everyone.

01:39:36.120 Everyone didn't have the opportunities and everyone didn't have the resources and the network and the people that I had, right?

01:39:41.780 And I took advantage of those things to get to where I am.

01:39:44.700 And the thing is is we can't look at those few people like, oh, well, we got somebody in the NBA and they made millions.

01:39:51.980 And look at that as a way to make that an overarching message over the community that everyone can do it because we know everybody can make the NBA, everybody can make the NFL, everybody can make a million dollars.

01:40:03.760 You can make it to the middle class.

01:40:05.180 But there has always been a black middle class.

01:40:08.020 That's not the problem we're talking about.

01:40:10.340 The problem we're talking about is really repairing the damage that has been done to these communities.

01:40:15.940 And what's happened is you have so many folks in our communities that are still to this day experiencing the effects of slavery.

01:40:27.080 And that's just the truth, whether it been all of the different from slavery and the policies after it.

01:40:33.340 OK, we can go on down the line from Jim Crow to the war on drugs to, I mean, let's go down the line on the different policies that came after slavery that they instituted mass incarceration.

01:40:43.140 And so they're still experiencing look at when they they they talk about weed right now states legalize it and then they are now they want to decriminalize it.

01:40:51.980 But there are still so many black men right now today who are still who still have backgrounds of marijuana on them while white people are making billions of dollars on this drug.

01:41:03.460 Now, Kyle Harris put a lot of those guys in prison.

01:41:06.160 Yeah, she did.

01:41:07.000 She was a part of it and she was against the legalization of cannabis.

01:41:10.820 We got to start talking about this.

01:41:12.160 We can't just act like, oh, the damage is done.

01:41:15.380 No, you have millions of families that were destroyed because of weed.

01:41:18.360 And now billions of dollars are being made by white people and black people ain't making a billion.

01:41:23.160 So we got to understand.

01:41:24.760 So that's the same with slavery.

01:41:26.200 Damage was done.

01:41:27.620 There's no repair.

01:41:29.460 War on drugs.

01:41:30.900 Damage was done.

01:41:32.020 There's no repair.

01:41:32.860 Mass incarceration.

01:41:33.760 Damage was done.

01:41:34.560 There's no repair.

01:41:35.380 And then now you have so many folks out here.

01:41:38.240 They can't get jobs.

01:41:39.420 Can't get middle class jobs.

01:41:40.780 They can't get to where they – just because of all of the policies that were moved forward.

01:41:45.000 We can't act like these things didn't happen because they did.

01:41:47.460 See, I just don't think that's true anymore.

01:41:49.080 I do think there's still – of course, there's always going to be a ripple effect because at the end of the day, it's a very critical part of our history.

01:41:54.840 And we're still a relatively young nation in the grand scheme of things.

01:41:58.060 So are things perfect?

01:41:59.300 No.

01:41:59.640 I think reparations would have made sense a long time ago.

01:42:02.140 But like now they're – we're at the point now where I just think identity politics are so unnecessary because just because something benefits a white person doesn't mean it won't benefit me.

01:42:12.860 I think that we need to take the identity politics out and just figure out what is better for the greater good of society and for Americans across the board.

01:42:20.420 I'm not understanding where did reparations – you said that you were for reparations when?

01:42:24.880 During the Reconstruction Era, I win.

01:42:26.120 Like post-slavery?

01:42:26.480 Okay.

01:42:26.720 As far as like giving you an exact date, like that's tricky.

01:42:29.600 So, all right.

01:42:30.400 So you said that you were for that then.

01:42:33.780 Now, because they didn't do it, now what makes you feel like it shouldn't happen?

01:42:39.900 I'm still not understanding just because –

01:42:41.940 Because we're not even close to that position of disadvantage anymore.

01:42:45.000 How?

01:42:45.600 Let's look at the numbers.

01:42:46.460 Because look at –

01:42:47.000 Well, look at the racial wealth gap.

01:42:48.140 But look at the opportunities.

01:42:48.940 Look at all the different things.

01:42:50.420 I mean, look at you.

01:42:51.120 Everything is –

01:42:51.700 You've worked so hard to get to where you are.

01:42:53.800 And it's like, okay, you said you had other resources and connections of that nature.

01:42:57.520 And that's great.

01:42:58.320 But the thing is, is there are opportunities out there.

01:43:01.340 You might have to work a little harder to get to that.

01:43:03.380 But it's a socioeconomic thing at this point.

01:43:05.740 It's not just a racial thing.

01:43:07.520 Yes, there are more people of color who are disproportionately like in the lower working class when it comes to finances.

01:43:14.620 But there are ways to work your ass off and get out of that now.

01:43:18.740 You are not trapped in that.

01:43:20.500 Are we still being redlined today?

01:43:21.580 Well, I'll be honest.

01:43:22.240 Now I want to look more into it because I've had the belief for a while it wasn't as prominent as it seemed.

01:43:28.440 Still being redlined.

01:43:29.260 I'll admit, I'm going to look more into that now.

01:43:30.940 So when you see the problems from that era, we still have the same problems today.

01:43:37.420 What I think you have is you're looking at success stories and you're looking at more black people and higher powers.

01:43:46.180 And you're looking at – because those are the people that they choose, select.

01:43:49.200 But you're looking at the black people that are more successful today than they were back then.

01:43:57.480 That still does not translate to the actual numbers of these communities when you look at the racial wealth gap, when you look at – here we go.

01:44:06.140 Let's look at it.

01:44:06.740 But can we also talk about the fact that with white people, it's like who is paying the reparations?

01:44:14.640 Because if we're just holding all white people accountable for slavery, that's crazy to me.

01:44:19.260 Who is holding white people?

01:44:21.100 Wait, wait, wait.

01:44:21.700 Like to pay for the reparations?

01:44:23.920 Why are we holding white people?

01:44:24.940 Who said that?

01:44:25.720 Why do we have to put a white race on white is –

01:44:29.760 Well, I mean that's what a lot of people say.

01:44:31.340 Most white people aren't even descendants of slave owners.

01:44:33.660 It was a very small percentage of white people who owned slaves back then.

01:44:36.040 It's not penalizing white people.

01:44:37.440 So then you – if you are the descendant of a slave owner, you have to pay into the fund, which pays out only the descendants of slaves.

01:44:45.520 Is that the way to do it?

01:44:46.680 I mean a lot of them are broke.

01:44:48.020 Generational wealth usually – 70 percent of the time, it fails after two generations.

01:44:51.520 And if you're also – so if you're a descendant of a union soldier who fought to end slavery, but a slave owner cancels it out.

01:44:57.720 But if you're the descendant of a union soldier who fought to end slavery, then you are entitled as well.

01:45:03.100 And if you're the descendant of a union soldier who died fighting, you should get some kind of veteran benefits for that conflict, right?

01:45:11.300 I don't agree.

01:45:12.760 I don't think that you should be held accountable for what your ancestors did.

01:45:16.660 No, no, no, no.

01:45:17.120 I'm saying the federal government pays you if your ancestor was a union soldier.

01:45:23.700 I mean but even if – I don't know.

01:45:25.940 I feel like that's so divisive though because it's like we're so far beyond the civil war.

01:45:30.540 It's like I'm not about to sit here and hate on the confederacy like as far as the people who fought in the confederacy because there were many other issues that were going along with it.

01:45:40.400 Obviously like I agree with you.

01:45:41.260 I agree.

01:45:41.880 I'm kidding.

01:45:42.700 The issue I see is – well if you go back to let's say it's like 18 –

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01:47:18.040 I don't know, 67 or it's well after that when things finally start winding down.

01:47:23.700 Reconstruction goes on.

01:47:24.900 Let's say it was 1876, right?

01:47:26.860 We had this commission.

01:47:28.300 They were dueling electors.

01:47:29.980 Not far or long ago.

01:47:30.600 Right.

01:47:31.720 And you have – this is when they selected the president by committee because the tensions were about to burst into a second civil war.

01:47:37.360 Let's say at that moment, you were like, okay, we're going to end reconstruction.

01:47:41.560 We're going to pay out the reparations like we promised.

01:47:43.360 That's when it should have been done.

01:47:44.240 The problem now is the exponential growth of the descendants of those slaves.

01:47:48.660 So if it was we're going to give 40 acres to one person, now it's how many descendants has that one person created?

01:47:55.120 700?

01:47:56.880 You're talking about the growth and the population and family sizes, right?

01:48:01.660 But, I mean, I think that there's a structure.

01:48:04.620 There's many folks who have put together great structures on how it needs to be done.

01:48:08.540 And we've studied it and put together these structures, you know, so many different times.

01:48:14.180 How about –

01:48:14.480 Go ahead.

01:48:15.300 Sorry.

01:48:15.540 Sorry.

01:48:15.780 No, no.

01:48:16.080 Go ahead.

01:48:16.500 I was going to say, how about Alaska?

01:48:19.020 What about Alaska?

01:48:20.820 What about Alaska?

01:48:21.840 I mean, this is a lot of untouched land that is prime for development that the United States has that is not developing on.

01:48:27.980 There's long, beautiful summers.

01:48:30.180 It's not an icy, barren wasteland.

01:48:32.200 The winters are dark and they're cold, but the summers are long and the fruit grows massive.

01:48:36.900 You've got a lot of land up there.

01:48:38.520 And we had Jack Posobiec and Daniel Turner talking about Occupy Alaska, like we should invade Alaska, our own country.

01:48:44.940 Stop going to these foreign wars.

01:48:46.440 How about we give portions of Alaska in reparations and actually start developing the land we have where we can get oil, we can have more fuel for our country,

01:48:52.760 and we can actually create new urban centers, new jobs, and new industry in areas that we should be utilizing in art.

01:48:58.300 Right.

01:48:58.600 I mean, or would you rather keep giving billions to Israel?

01:49:01.760 Ukraine, migrants.

01:49:03.980 That's another thing, too.

01:49:05.240 I got to be sorry.

01:49:06.440 I mean, let's be serious.

01:49:07.780 That's a whole other conversation.

01:49:09.540 Let's be fair.

01:49:10.200 I mean, Israel.

01:49:10.980 If my choice, sorry, if my choice was hundreds of billions of Ukraine, hundreds of billions of Israel or reparations, I choose reparations every day of the week.

01:49:18.560 Yeah.

01:49:18.860 I mean, come on.

01:49:20.100 We need to pour into, and this is, you know, this is why I'm with the American first on this, right?

01:49:27.040 Is we got to pour into America and American citizens.

01:49:30.980 And what I do know is that if you pour into its citizens, they're going to make something out of it.

01:49:37.200 They're going to build.

01:49:38.560 They're going to create businesses.

01:49:39.980 They're going to create tax revenue.

01:49:41.160 And if we spent more money here and investing in each other and looked at Tim and say, man, we love what you're doing.

01:49:48.080 We need you to expand this.

01:49:49.800 I want to pay for the expansion because we know what it'll do if you expand.

01:49:53.400 We look at this landscape.

01:49:54.780 We look at this business owner.

01:49:56.180 We want to expand.

01:49:57.300 We have to invest in its people.

01:50:00.600 And if that means, hey, let's utilize the resources that we have and, you know, use it as a form of reparations to folks in America so that they can grow our economy, I'm for it all day.

01:50:13.220 I'm going to read this.

01:50:13.680 We got one comment.

01:50:14.760 Hoister says, had no idea Tim would entertain reparations.

01:50:17.620 Wow.

01:50:19.260 I knew they was going to beat him up on that.

01:50:20.960 I was like, whoo.

01:50:21.640 Oh, yeah.

01:50:22.020 But let's be logical about this.

01:50:23.680 I mean, first of all, I have never been of the personality where it's like for some arbitrary tribalist reason, I will never entertain a circumstance.

01:50:30.960 That's ridiculous.

01:50:31.980 We've given, what, 200 and some odd billion dollars to Ukraine.

01:50:35.000 That doesn't benefit us in any way.

01:50:37.140 In no way.

01:50:37.560 That's not our business.

01:50:38.580 I don't like – I'm not for reparations.

01:50:41.180 It's like a generalist like we're going to do – I don't think it works.

01:50:44.440 I agree with what you were saying.

01:50:46.460 We're well past this.

01:50:47.300 However, that being said, if my only options were give $200 billion to a country 8,000 or whatever miles away that is invading Russia and putting us on the brink of World War III or we give $200 billion to descendants of slaves to invest in land and build businesses, I'm like, well, I think there will be a lot of negatives that come with that in terms of racial animosity.

01:51:08.000 That's true.

01:51:08.580 But I got to tell you, we would be better off compared to what they're doing with that money.

01:51:13.180 Now, in a perfect world, I think we solve these problems in other ways.

01:51:16.060 We don't go to war.

01:51:17.000 We don't do this overt reparations thing.

01:51:19.120 But if you're going to tell me that we're giving hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel, to Ukraine –

01:51:24.340 Migrants.

01:51:24.800 And illegal immigrants, I'd rather American citizens have it in whatever circumstance that may be.

01:51:29.960 So it really is like a big ask.

01:51:32.660 It's a rock and a hard place.

01:51:34.400 I don't think either are the ideal utopian outcome, but certainly one is better than the other.

01:51:39.040 For sure.

01:51:39.940 I can agree with that.

01:51:41.040 You can agree with that?

01:51:41.960 I can agree with that.

01:51:42.660 All right.

01:51:42.860 I love it.

01:51:43.400 If it's between $100 billion going to Ukraine, which is not our business, we have no business being in Ukraine.

01:51:50.360 I love you to understand Russia's perspective.

01:51:51.520 You know you're going to get your check and mule.

01:51:55.220 I mean, look, if the reparations come, I'm going to cast a check.

01:51:57.800 You're going to cast a check.

01:51:58.540 You're like, okay, since I don't support reparations, they're like, well, are you going to cast a check?

01:52:02.500 Hell yeah.

01:52:03.060 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:04.840 Give it back.

01:52:05.680 Give it back.

01:52:06.360 Let me ask this of the viewers, too.

01:52:09.360 If there was a vote right now and it said every black American will vote for Donald Trump, 100% of them.

01:52:15.960 And Trump's promising to end the spending in Ukraine, end foreign intervention, bring our troops back, cut all of our spending to Israel.

01:52:25.520 But the black voters are like, but we do want a portion of that as reparations.

01:52:29.880 Is that an acceptable compromise?

01:52:32.580 A Donald Trump victory.

01:52:33.740 Trump would win.

01:52:34.460 Trump would win.

01:52:34.940 And so this is what I'm saying.

01:52:36.800 In politics, you wish you could get everything you've asked for and more.

01:52:41.020 But if someone came to me and said, you have two choices.

01:52:43.800 We're funding Ukraine, who invaded the Kursk region.

01:52:47.840 130,000 Russian civilians have been evacuated.

01:52:50.980 Russia has already threatened nuclear weapons on numerous occasions.

01:52:54.340 And we're not talking about ICBMs blowing up New York.

01:52:56.160 We're talking about nuclear artillery and low-yield bombs creating the first nuclear war.

01:53:02.280 I mean, I understand World War II had nuclear bombs.

01:53:05.600 It was two.

01:53:06.420 It was the end of it.

01:53:07.460 This will be the first full-scale ongoing nuclear conflict.

01:53:11.680 Lord help us, we have to do everything to stop this.

01:53:14.300 If someone told me Trump's going to offer up that money that we sent to Ukraine to black people for reparations and end the war overnight, de-escalate the conflict, and he's going to win 100% of the black vote, I'd be like, send it in.

01:53:26.300 Trump win.

01:53:26.740 Take that money back.

01:53:27.720 Give it to American citizens.

01:53:29.020 It's not my ideal outcome.

01:53:30.140 It's not what I would choose or plan for, but it is certainly the better of the two options.

01:53:35.580 You know, another thing that Trump needs to do, since we brought up Trump, he needs to embrace reentry citizens.

01:53:46.120 He needs to embrace ex-felons.

01:53:48.360 Okay?

01:53:48.820 Yeah.

01:53:49.040 I agree.

01:53:49.540 I think the problem, he needs to understand this because the Democrats have this message in wrong, especially knowing that majority of black people vote Democrat.

01:53:58.440 They are out here loosely, you know, using the word felon, you know, basically using it like if you're a felon, you're just nobody now, right?

01:54:08.300 You have committed a life's atrocity and you're going to be nothing for the rest of your life.

01:54:12.940 And that's how they're using it in their messaging with Trump, knowing that a third of black men have felonies and majority of their voters are black.

01:54:20.200 If Trump embraced ex-felons, right?

01:54:22.980 And, you know, he said, hey, they should have their right to vote and we should be pouring, putting jobs, making sure that they can have jobs so that the recidivism rate can decrease.

01:54:34.580 If he creates a policy around that, he will secure another percentage of the black voters.

01:54:40.480 You know, Trump would also, if Trump said he was going to cut all funding to Israel, just not even you, just Israel, he'd win over all these lefties.

01:54:50.200 Yep.

01:54:50.500 They'd just be like, I don't like Trump at all, but okay.

01:54:53.120 Because some of these people, the only thing that matters is them.

01:54:55.060 I'm telling you, the Palestinians yesterday said they ain't voting now.

01:54:58.220 They said that they, I've seen some crying once said, I've never been so, I mean, I've seen one crying.

01:55:03.700 I've never been so, so sad in my life.

01:55:06.420 I think the Israel and the Ukraine situations are very different.

01:55:08.800 I think we are sending an excessive amount of money to Israel and we need to be more like, we need to be auditing what this money is actually going to.

01:55:15.640 But I do think we have a huge stake in the game of what's happening in Israel right now compared to Ukraine.

01:55:21.000 But I'm really happy you went there about the whole felon situation because I was noticing that too.

01:55:25.340 The entire DNC, they just kept being like, this felon, especially Elizabeth Warren.

01:55:29.660 She's like, this felon.

01:55:30.640 You see, neither Obama used the word once because they know.

01:55:33.860 Neither Obama used the word once.

01:55:35.260 Because you are degrading so many people who might have gotten a felony when they were 18, 19, and now they are in their 40s, have a family and kids have completely turned their lives around.

01:55:46.800 But then they can't get a government job.

01:55:48.880 They can't do, they can't have.

01:55:50.700 You want me to tell my children to vote for Kamala after you're talking about me like this?

01:55:54.900 Exactly.

01:55:56.020 I'm surprised more people haven't called that out.

01:55:58.020 So I'm glad you saw that too.

01:55:59.320 Yeah, I mean, I think it's utterly disgusting.

01:56:01.700 And I also think it's disgusting that Democrats are not doing enough to say, hey, we're doing great.

01:56:10.920 Give us another chance.

01:56:12.620 Rather than act like Trump started all of these issues.

01:56:16.320 We've had all these issues before Trump.

01:56:18.420 And we need to hear some real tangibles.

01:56:21.060 So we got to stop playing these fear tactics.

01:56:22.920 You talking about Project 2025?

01:56:24.420 What's y'all project?

01:56:27.420 What's y'all project?

01:56:28.660 Y'all ain't giving us nothing.

01:56:30.140 Can you tell us the policy?

01:56:31.200 Because Kamala's waiting until she gets in office.

01:56:32.940 Then she's going to tell us the policy.

01:56:34.140 That's like if I get a job and I give you my resume after.

01:56:36.860 Man, I mean, that's terrible.

01:56:39.100 We just have to do better as communities to hold accountable, you know, both sides.

01:56:44.700 But I do think that Trump should embrace ex-felons, right?

01:56:47.520 Especially because they're using it against him.

01:56:49.360 It actually can be strong for him because in certain states, felons can vote.

01:56:54.120 And most black people have felons in their family, the vast majority, right?

01:56:59.280 So I think he should embrace that if he looks to try to get a percentage of the black vote.

01:57:05.740 And then I also think that we got to – Democrats should push Democrats to move forward policy, real policy that is going to benefit their communities and stop playing games.

01:57:15.900 I just find it funny how the number one thing missing from modern political discussions is actual policy.

01:57:21.560 Yes.

01:57:21.760 We talk so much about personality.

01:57:23.360 We talk so much about charisma and likability.

01:57:26.360 And it really started with the Obama era because Obama was like your first celebrity-style politician.

01:57:31.140 Yes.

01:57:31.320 Because I'll never forget being a kid and seeing him hanging out with Beyonce and Jay-Z.

01:57:35.000 I thought he was the coolest person in the world.

01:57:36.440 Oh, that one.

01:57:36.920 Didn't know a single thing about his policies.

01:57:38.420 I just knew he was a black man and he hung out with Beyonce and Jay-Z.

01:57:41.040 I was like, I like that.

01:57:41.460 Inspired us all.

01:57:42.320 I won first place in the world to a competition with his speech when I was a kid.

01:57:45.420 Really?

01:57:45.980 In Chicago.

01:57:46.660 Yep.

01:57:48.080 Yep.

01:57:48.600 And then he hates me now.

01:57:50.800 Who does?

01:57:51.400 Obama.

01:57:52.120 Does he?

01:57:53.460 Well, I mean, listen.

01:57:54.660 You know, I was Rahm's biggest critic.

01:57:56.180 You know, he gave us Rahm Emanuel.

01:57:57.460 Rahm Emanuel was his chief of staff in the White House.

01:57:59.760 Yep.

01:58:00.140 And so I was Rahm's biggest critic and, you know, led all the protests at his house and things of that sort.

01:58:04.680 But anyway, the point of his is –

01:58:06.500 You're beefing with Obama.

01:58:07.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:08.080 I did a press conference in front of Obama's house that said, come get your roach.

01:58:11.500 You know, let's talk about Rahm Emanuel.

01:58:14.220 And, you know, I was saying if you got rid of Rahm, he's the head roach in charge and the rest of the roach will go with him.

01:58:20.280 But anyway, so the point is –

01:58:23.820 He doesn't like you.

01:58:24.800 So, yeah, he banned me from his events.

01:58:26.880 But, you know, the reality is that, you know, I don't play into the whole symbolism.

01:58:32.980 You inspired us with the hope and change when, you know, just like you said, you voted for him.

01:58:37.040 But we got nothing.

01:58:38.300 And then, you know what he said when he got out of office?

01:58:40.300 He said, well, now that I'm out of office, I can do more.

01:58:42.920 And he has yet to come to Chicago and say, how can I support Chicagoans?

01:58:46.860 How can I talk about – make things better for impoverished neighborhoods and lower violence or youth?

01:58:53.880 He's yet to do that.

01:58:54.900 The only thing that he's done is he's building this Obama center that he didn't sign a community benefits agreement for that, you know, majority of the folks that –

01:59:03.880 He claimed that he was going to make sure black people had a piece of the billion-dollar construction budget, and they don't, right?

01:59:09.100 So, you know, all he's doing is saying, well, I'm giving y'all a presidential library.

01:59:13.420 But he ain't coming back to Chicago to do anything, and he's going to be a billionaire, first president that's a billionaire, and all he's doing is working on his Netflix and book deals.

01:59:21.040 What did you guys think about when Trump spoke at the black journalists event?

01:59:24.780 I loved it.

01:59:25.860 I ain't going to lie.

01:59:28.120 I loved it.

01:59:29.320 I think that, you know, for Trump to come into the fire like that, one, he's real gangsta.

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02:01:00.840 Two, to go head-to-head with, what's her name, Courtney?

02:01:08.300 To go head-to-head with Courtney Scott, isn't it?

02:01:11.700 Go head-to-head with her like that.

02:01:13.240 I think it was, you know, very bold of him in that environment.

02:01:17.680 Most politicians come in and they try to play to their audience.

02:01:21.140 He was his self.

02:01:22.220 And I think that it was very funny to watch.

02:01:26.360 And they had no substantial, no substantive questions.

02:01:30.480 They're just like, oh, so what do you have to say about being racist?

02:01:33.380 Right.

02:01:33.840 Would I be here if I was racist?

02:01:36.140 Like, that's the thing?

02:01:37.440 All y'all talking about Project 2025 and y'all going to wait to the end and be like, oh, Project 2020.

02:01:42.660 The time is up.

02:01:44.000 Okay.

02:01:44.700 And that's not even his policy.

02:01:46.280 Not even his policy.

02:01:47.100 That is literally a recycled list that's just a compilation, basically, that Heritage put together that has been out there since the beginning of time.

02:01:54.480 It's basically just like if you were to have the most conservative nation ever, this is what the guidelines would look like.

02:02:00.980 And the reason why I agree with that is not based on – because they talk about his friends being on that.

02:02:06.560 The reason why I agree with the fact that he's saying that he's not pushing Project 2025 is because I look at the four years of him being president.

02:02:14.620 And the four years of him being president, he was very moderate.

02:02:17.920 He was not as radical right as Project 2025.

02:02:22.380 We got to be honest about that.

02:02:24.080 They want to act like we didn't have four years of Trump.

02:02:26.620 Right.

02:02:27.000 Four years of Trump was not I'm a dictator and I am radically right.

02:02:33.260 And he actually governed very moderate on a lot of issues.

02:02:36.460 Yeah, people try to say you're going to lose all these rights under a Trump.

02:02:38.660 What rights did you lose when he was in office?

02:02:41.320 He was there for four years.

02:02:42.420 What rights did you lose?

02:02:42.960 That's the tactics.

02:02:43.800 Like you said, you said to them the good tactics that they got to use.

02:02:48.860 Right?

02:02:49.900 Some of the commentary I heard was that people liked how Trump wasn't pandering to this group of black professionals by trying to – oh, you're so right.

02:02:58.720 I'm so sorry.

02:02:59.320 He actually was like, well, that was a rude question.

02:03:01.800 Right.

02:03:02.060 I've never asked such a rude question before.

02:03:04.120 Like he didn't care that she was a black woman.

02:03:05.820 He did not care.

02:03:06.440 Yeah, he was like, don't talk to me like that.

02:03:08.380 He didn't.

02:03:08.860 You know what?

02:03:09.520 I think that they are running him as just be yourself, Trump.

02:03:12.480 Yeah.

02:03:12.720 It has worked for him to this point.

02:03:14.820 And so that's why they're saying just go be yourself and don't be pandering.

02:03:18.340 He ain't good at pandering.

02:03:19.640 He is – you know, Donald Trump is emotional.

02:03:22.740 He is.

02:03:23.220 People don't believe it.

02:03:23.960 He got – so you can trigger him and you can get him to be pissed off very quickly.

02:03:28.700 Dude, I loved it when he was talking and he said – he's asked about black jobs and he's like, many of the people in here may have black jobs or something like that.

02:03:35.320 The whole room was laughing.

02:03:38.900 That being a controversy is crazy.

02:03:41.380 But I mean, here's the thing.

02:03:42.640 This is what's funny though.

02:03:43.780 What's funny is let's remove – remove this stuff about, oh, it's black jobs.

02:03:50.960 He shouldn't have said that because he's white.

02:03:52.940 Let's be real, okay?

02:03:55.100 Black jobs is what he's talking about.

02:03:56.980 People who – I just said a third of people have felonies, right?

02:04:01.400 Black men have – a third of black men have felonies.

02:04:03.420 Because if we know that, you know, these jobs in these communities are these essential jobs and he's talking about them coming over the border to get those jobs, we know what he's talking about.

02:04:14.640 And so we just got to be honest and stop playing into the, oh, he shouldn't be saying that.

02:04:19.480 You know, because if Kamala said it, y'all wouldn't have been mad.

02:04:22.580 Right.

02:04:23.120 I mean, come on.

02:04:24.080 Let's be for real.

02:04:24.820 So I tweeted, if Trump promised to cut all funding to Ukraine and Israel and foreign interventions, but he would use the money to pay reparations to descendants of slaves, would you support this?

02:04:33.800 As of right now with 2,349 votes, 55 percent said fund war, no reparations.

02:04:39.140 45 says pay reparations, end war.

02:04:42.040 I think that's wild.

02:04:43.500 I told you.

02:04:44.880 Like my thing is I think if reparations would – a payment structure would generate animosity.

02:04:52.600 It would make people angry with each other.

02:04:53.980 It would inflame racial tensions.

02:04:56.180 I think there's other ways to go about it.

02:04:57.680 I think socioeconomic should – I mean you look at the income chart that I pulled up.

02:05:03.840 For whatever reason anybody wants to say that Asians are on top, then white, then Hispanic, then black, and then Native American.

02:05:10.220 Black and Native American are relatively comparable in their average income.

02:05:13.260 If we did things by socioeconomic, this should satisfy the left because then you're targeting disproportionately black and Native American individuals with projects to revitalize neighborhoods, bring schools, whatever it may be.

02:05:26.460 And then for the right, you're not doing it by race.

02:05:28.480 It's not a race-based thing.

02:05:29.540 It's going to help anybody even if you are white.

02:05:31.400 So it shouldn't be that crazy.

02:05:34.080 But that being said, I'm like between the two, man, like end war.

02:05:37.080 But there's – I guess that's wild to me that people would say fund war.

02:05:41.640 Because people – listen.

02:05:43.760 There's a lot of white foals that want to give black foals no money now.

02:05:46.600 Okay?

02:05:47.300 We just got to be honest here.

02:05:48.540 There's a little bit of racism there.

02:05:49.900 And there's a little bit of white people feeling like black people are not going to be responsible with the money, right?

02:05:55.780 They have this view of how black people are in America.

02:05:59.840 And that's what they base it off of.

02:06:01.900 I will add too, though, there's a lot of people who want to fund Israel.

02:06:05.380 And so they're going to be like, I don't care about anything else.

02:06:06.920 Give Israel the money.

02:06:08.620 Yeah.

02:06:09.200 I mean, I feel like Israel needs some money.

02:06:11.620 No, that's wild.

02:06:13.740 Well, let me – would you rather – let's say it was just a million bucks.

02:06:18.940 Send that to the black community for reparations or to Israel for defense, which is the priority in terms of expenditures.

02:06:26.420 I mean, right now in a time of war –

02:06:29.560 At any time.

02:06:32.020 Well, give us both.

02:06:32.840 I think it's different.

02:06:33.680 Like if it was prior to October 7th when they were just like in – the war is just like exploding, then I would say that –

02:06:39.800 But we were already given Israel money then too.

02:06:42.220 We were just –

02:06:42.620 And we were given too much.

02:06:43.620 I agree.

02:06:44.100 Okay.

02:06:44.420 I can agree on that.

02:06:45.160 This is an increase of money because of the war, but we've always been given Israel money.

02:06:48.480 I can agree with giving Israel money.

02:06:50.980 I think we have given an excessive amount considering they already have a lot of money.

02:06:55.920 But I do think it's important for us to stand with them in a general sense just because if Israel falls, like we are so doomed.

02:07:02.640 It's like you have the collective Middle East coming after us and then it's all of our problems.

02:07:06.220 But this is why I ask because you're not in favor of reparations to begin with.

02:07:09.220 And so – right.

02:07:10.000 So in terms of the poll, there's a lot of people who are like, well, I don't like reparations at all and I do want to fund Israel.

02:07:14.320 So of course they're going to say fund the war and not reparations.

02:07:16.760 But I mean any – I mean what about Ukraine?

02:07:19.000 What about – I mean –

02:07:20.480 Ukraine's not our business.

02:07:21.840 I mean let's be serious.

02:07:23.000 That's crazy.

02:07:23.120 Let's be serious.

02:07:23.800 We fund everything.

02:07:24.920 Talk about the military budget.

02:07:26.560 Okay?

02:07:26.820 We got 1,000 countries that we're sitting in.

02:07:31.320 We spend a trillion dollars a year.

02:07:33.200 I mean let's be serious.

02:07:34.620 If you're talking about would you rather gut the military budget to give what we're talking about reparations?

02:07:42.220 I would have to look deeper into what they're actually putting in that military budget.

02:07:45.260 But I will say that like whichever side you're looking at, our spending is out of control.

02:07:49.900 It's like $29 trillion in debt.

02:07:52.280 I really think that we need to be auditing the entire government.

02:07:55.180 They're sitting here worried about our Venmo payments.

02:07:57.080 I'm still not over that.

02:07:59.000 They want to just mismanage trillions of dollars at a time when I do think that they should be reinvesting in communities.

02:08:06.600 Like don't get me wrong.

02:08:07.380 Like I'm not for reparations but I am for elevating a lot of these communities, these socioeconomically challenged communities, not based on race but just based on we should not have people living in a third world country in America.

02:08:18.800 Correct.

02:08:19.020 Like I think that's a problem in itself.

02:08:20.340 So how do we do that?

02:08:21.260 How do we bridge the racial wealth gap?

02:08:25.180 I think there's a lot of factors that go into it.

02:08:28.560 I think we need financial literacy.

02:08:31.100 We need to – I mean crime needs to be addressed because one of the big issues starts with –

02:08:35.840 We bridge the racial wealth gap.

02:08:37.540 I mean a lot of it –

02:08:38.540 These are two separate things.

02:08:40.120 I'm getting there though because when it comes to the – part of the racial wealth gap comes from we have so much crime in some areas.

02:08:45.900 That's incorrect.

02:08:47.420 It's the other way around.

02:08:48.220 When you start with crime, you run opportunities out of the area and then when you don't have opportunities, you don't have resources.

02:08:53.040 Where there are poor people, there is crime and that is white, black, and others.

02:08:56.620 It's a circular issue.

02:08:58.040 So what I'm saying is how do you bridge the racial wealth gap?

02:09:01.100 Because if you bridge the racial wealth gap, you will have less crime in these black communities.

02:09:05.060 So how do you bridge the racial wealth gap?

02:09:07.200 Give me a couple things that we can do.

02:09:09.340 I'm not focused on –

02:09:10.480 Look at this.

02:09:10.860 How do we bridge this?

02:09:11.880 See, the thing is I'm not focused on a race.

02:09:13.720 I'm focused on elevating Americans, period.

02:09:15.960 When you say bridge the racial wealth gap, it's like I want to come up – it's like saying that you want to come up with specific solutions just for that race.

02:09:22.160 Yeah, because those – because it's a reason why the racial wealth gap is that large.

02:09:27.260 It's a reason that banks are still redlining people today.

02:09:32.080 It's a reason why government resources are giving to certain individuals in their cities.

02:09:37.200 Trust and believe if we're talking about bridging a racial wealth gap, this wealth gap is not because of them in total.

02:09:45.780 The government plays a part in that.

02:09:47.040 I got some ideas.

02:09:48.500 Go ahead.

02:09:49.020 More cops in these areas, infrastructure, investment, parks, park revitalization.

02:09:54.960 I'm not a big fan of the public school system.

02:09:56.520 I think that's detrimental.

02:09:57.940 We need school choice.

02:09:59.360 School choice or something like that.

02:10:01.300 Which we could debate school choice, but go ahead.

02:10:04.620 Something like that.

02:10:05.120 I'm just saying I want to see infrastructure investment in the –

02:10:08.880 What type of infrastructure investment?

02:10:10.220 Fixing the streets, fixing streetlights, better access to first responders.

02:10:15.800 How do we bridge the racial wealth gap by making sure people can create wealth in these communities?

02:10:20.320 See, here's the problem.

02:10:21.280 Here's the problem.

02:10:21.740 Here's why I said those are the solutions.

02:10:23.160 You can't just give someone money.

02:10:25.280 So this is why I don't think reparations –

02:10:27.280 Opportunity too.

02:10:29.220 Opportunity, but you need cultural investment.

02:10:32.060 And so, you know, we can see this in any culture on the world.

02:10:36.480 In the world, we can see it with lottery winners.

02:10:38.260 If someone comes into big money, they lose it right away because they say wealth lasts three generations.

02:10:44.140 Some guy, he's poor.

02:10:45.560 He works really hard.

02:10:46.260 He gets rich.

02:10:46.860 He has a kid.

02:10:47.560 That kid grows up rich and learns lessons from his father about working hard and maintains it a little bit.

02:10:52.920 Third kid, never – his dad never worked hard to build anything.

02:10:57.580 So they can't maintain it properly and then after three generations, the wealth starts to dwindle.

02:11:02.480 We can't just go to a community of people based on race or whatever reason and be like, here's money, here's this, here's whatever.

02:11:07.660 Yeah, but that's totally different.

02:11:09.180 We're talking about two different things.

02:11:10.480 You can make that argument for reparations, but we're talking about bridging racial wealth gap.

02:11:14.200 Right.

02:11:14.420 So this is why my solution is we need to go into areas that are dealing with crime and we need to stop the crime, which is going to mean more funding for cops.

02:11:21.720 We want to make sure the roads are cleaned.

02:11:23.340 We want to make sure –

02:11:23.920 It doesn't work.

02:11:24.740 Well, then there's no answer.

02:11:25.660 Because then they'll say it's over-policing.

02:11:26.680 It doesn't work.

02:11:27.300 There's no answer.

02:11:27.680 No.

02:11:28.200 Because you can't run a business in an area full of crime.

02:11:30.980 I'll tell you what needs to happen, okay?

02:11:33.600 Number one, we've got to increase the homeownership rate, okay?

02:11:36.300 How do you do that?

02:11:36.660 I said that earlier that if you find going to neighborhoods with the highest homeownership rate is the lowest crimes.

02:11:42.140 The ones with the lowest homeownership rate is the highest crimes.

02:11:44.660 That could be inverse correlation.

02:11:45.780 No, but here's the thing.

02:11:47.800 What we have to do is we have to make it – one, we've got to hold these banks accountable.

02:11:53.520 That's number one because the banks who have branches all through these communities and the majority of the lion's share are money from these communities.

02:12:01.280 They're not investing back into these communities.

02:12:03.000 We've got to hold banks accountable and make sure that they are actually investing in these communities.

02:12:07.320 We have to give incentives to folks so that they can own homes en masse.

02:12:13.060 We have to develop en masse as well.

02:12:16.040 We have to develop – when people see development, right, trust and believe.

02:12:19.500 If you see – if I build a brand-new house on a block in an impoverished community, people know that something is happening.

02:12:25.660 There is going to be a shift there.

02:12:27.740 But here's what – there's a lot of challenges here.

02:12:30.160 Property tax rates go up.

02:12:31.460 So somebody who lives in an area where their house costs $100,000 and they're paying $1,300,000, $1,400,000 a year in taxes, you start putting in developments.

02:12:39.920 The property value goes up, and now they've got to pay $2,500,000.

02:12:43.280 But the services get better, one.

02:12:45.200 And actually, it will even out at the end because you'll have more people paying taxes.

02:12:48.940 Right, but the person who's making $2,500,000, $30,000 a year and struggling to get by cannot afford to pay the taxes on the property they own.

02:12:54.820 And so they have no choice but to sell and then go to another low-income area.

02:12:58.060 It's – these things – it's like a whack-a-mole.

02:13:02.480 Like we do want to – a rising tide lifts all ships.

02:13:06.400 We can't just go for developments.

02:13:07.920 I think one of the first things we need is stability.

02:13:10.100 That's why I say funding for police.

02:13:12.760 I think we get more cops and we bring in –

02:13:15.400 We have more cops.

02:13:17.040 Chicago has more cops per capita than any city.

02:13:19.240 You got bad cops.

02:13:19.640 You know this.

02:13:20.800 Now you're talking about bad cops.

02:13:22.100 So now we'll be debating this all along.

02:13:23.420 The police department is – that's what I'm saying.

02:13:25.400 It's like whack-a-mole.

02:13:26.080 You've got all of these leaks in the system.

02:13:27.700 Cops can't solve the problem.

02:13:29.380 It won't happen.

02:13:30.300 So how do you stop the crime then?

02:13:31.340 You need better policy.

02:13:32.140 Number one, yes, but cops can't stop the problem.

02:13:35.380 Number one, you need somebody who really understands that, the cities, right, and really can go into the trenches

02:13:41.060 and create different programs that actually invest in people and grab these young people

02:13:49.880 and make sure the next generation of young people are growing up.

02:13:52.100 That's another thing is you got to make sure that the next generation of young people don't grow up to be like the young people

02:13:57.380 that are committing the crimes, right?

02:13:58.880 And I think what we do is we target these people and be like, police, go and arrest them.

02:14:04.260 Go and arrest them.

02:14:05.080 But then you got another generation that's going to come up and be the same way because we're not attacking the real problems.

02:14:10.180 Our education system, the environment that they're in, we're not giving – there's no trade in schools in Chicago.

02:14:15.020 We're not giving them skills.

02:14:16.380 We're not giving – so all you're doing is creating another breed – because like you said, crime pays.

02:14:21.440 And it's a billion-dollar industry when violence is high, and that's why they leave it this way and keep having the perpetrators come in the same system.

02:14:27.900 It's a school-to-prison pipeline right now.

02:14:29.400 Correct.

02:14:29.900 Culture is everything.

02:14:31.840 It doesn't matter what your race is.

02:14:33.080 It doesn't matter what your wealth is.

02:14:34.440 It matters what the people around you are striving towards and what they believe in.

02:14:38.600 Correct.

02:14:38.900 And so –

02:14:39.600 We need cultural foundation for sure.

02:14:41.240 Where I grew up, everyone's in a gang.

02:14:44.460 Right.

02:14:44.560 You know?

02:14:45.100 And one dude was like – I don't know.

02:14:47.320 He was 13.

02:14:48.260 So the older guys in the gang said, go kill this guy, and then you're in the gang, and you have no choice.

02:14:52.660 You have to join the gang.

02:14:53.660 Right.

02:14:53.940 And so he did.

02:14:54.600 They said, don't worry, though.

02:14:55.520 You'll get out when you're 18.

02:14:56.560 If we do it, we go for life.

02:14:58.180 Right.

02:14:58.360 So this is – it's a problem of the culture in the area where I grew up where there's a lot of gangs.

02:15:03.520 Yeah.

02:15:04.220 You need to change that culture.

02:15:05.560 It's not easy.

02:15:06.520 But if you have a culture that tells people living that kind of life is a good thing, you're going to end up with people who do bad things.

02:15:13.580 Correct.

02:15:13.900 I think gang culture is really misunderstood too because a lot of people assume that you join a gang because you're a bad person.

02:15:19.220 But a lot of times it's one.

02:15:20.360 Like they don't trust the police officers in that area.

02:15:22.420 So who is protecting their community?

02:15:24.000 The local gang that's there.

02:15:25.140 They don't have enough opportunities that are in the area.

02:15:27.840 So they don't have the vision of what they actually can be.

02:15:31.160 So the two ways to make money, you can sell drugs.

02:15:34.340 And to sell drugs, you're going to need protection, which is the gangs.

02:15:36.580 Or if you're a girl, you go be a stripper.

02:15:38.060 But see, man, first thing I'll say is Chicago is notorious for this.

02:15:43.460 There's neighborhoods that are controlled by gangs where you have no choice.

02:15:46.340 You're in the gang or else.

02:15:48.400 And so these 12-year-old boys are walking around and the gang walks up and says, all right, you're 12.

02:15:52.700 You're in the gang now.

02:15:53.380 And you have to go shoot somebody.

02:15:55.060 You have to do it or else.

02:15:56.280 You can't live here unless you're in the gang.

02:15:57.660 They'll beat you up.

02:15:58.440 They'll mess with your house.

02:15:59.840 Everybody joins.

02:16:02.400 It's a dynamic.

02:16:04.280 It's that culture.

02:16:05.520 It's a system.

02:16:06.060 It's how they function.

02:16:06.900 It's how they make money.

02:16:08.020 However, I always tell the story because I love it so much because there was a dude in my neighborhood who was selling pot.

02:16:14.000 And there was this other black dude, and he was like, we were hanging out at the park, and he's just like, he's like, you're selling dope, man?

02:16:19.600 And he's like, you got to make money, you know?

02:16:22.360 And he's like, there's easier ways to make money than doing that.

02:16:25.000 And he's like, what do you mean?

02:16:26.100 He's like, you know, he was making pretty good money selling pot.

02:16:28.860 And then this dude told him how he went to, he called up the local, he looked at all the local venues to see what bands were playing.

02:16:35.080 And then he'd get in contact with the bands and ask them if they had merch.

02:16:38.500 And most of them did not.

02:16:40.000 So he said, here's what I'll do.

02:16:41.880 I'm going to make merch for you guys.

02:16:43.180 I'm going to come and I'm going to sell it.

02:16:44.220 I'm going to give you 20% of everything I sell.

02:16:46.180 And then these bands were like, whoa, it's a great deal for us, free money.

02:16:50.480 And he was like, I make like $1,000, $2,000 a week working two days.

02:16:53.700 And he's like, and then you want to tell me the couple hundred bucks you're making slinging dope and you're going to go to jail when they catch you.

02:16:59.720 He's like, have you even considered selling socks on the freeway?

02:17:02.220 He's like, get out of here.

02:17:02.700 That's stupid.

02:17:03.760 It's culture.

02:17:04.300 People, they're surrounded by this, and they don't know how to do any of this stuff.

02:17:09.860 And so some guy comes up to him and says, hey, man, you got a bunch of dudes who smoke weed.

02:17:14.940 You'll make a lot of money if you do this.

02:17:16.340 And he's like, well, I do need money.

02:17:17.640 If only someone came up and said, here's how you sell T-shirts instead.

02:17:21.660 And you won't go to jail for it.

02:17:22.740 You have to rebuild the culture.

02:17:24.400 And I think in black communities, culture foundation is key.

02:17:28.220 But again, that's why you must have leaders that are actually from the culture that have a connection with the culture.

02:17:34.420 Because a lot of politicians, like in Chicago, Brandon isn't from Chicago.

02:17:38.800 Lori wasn't from Chicago.

02:17:39.980 When you have individuals who don't understand these communities and not from them or never have lived there or never even been there, Brandon hasn't even been a majority of Chicago communities, there's no way to really connect with these people.

02:17:51.500 And those people don't look at you as a leader for them, right?

02:17:54.580 And so we got to have more people that are elected in positions throughout cities that can go into these neighborhoods and start to help rebuild the cultural foundation and say, all right, hey, this is what we can do.

02:18:07.060 Hey, I need you to know the different individuals who have actual leadership in these communities and utilize them.

02:18:13.540 And I got some very radical policies that I'm not going to say.

02:18:17.300 But the point is, is that we got to have some radical policies.

02:18:19.960 But you only could do it if you really know these neighborhoods.

02:18:22.060 We're going to start wrapping things up.

02:18:23.460 I'll give you my final thoughts.

02:18:24.580 We got this chat from JC.

02:18:26.260 He says, weed is not dope.

02:18:27.520 L-M-A-O.

02:18:28.700 Bro, to people who don't do any drugs, hot is dope.

02:18:33.820 To people who smoke weed, dope is heroin.

02:18:36.000 Right.

02:18:36.640 So for a guy who was selling T-shirts and said, don't do drugs, don't do this, he called weed dope.

02:18:41.540 Right.

02:18:41.820 That was always how it was.

02:18:43.060 And then everyone who smoked weed called heroin dope.

02:18:45.680 So I don't think I'm going to get anywhere near solving any of these problems in the long run.

02:18:49.000 But it is interesting what we're seeing dynamically with Trump.

02:18:50.840 So if you want to give me your final thoughts before we wrap up and then shout something out.

02:18:55.460 Yeah.

02:18:55.760 No, my final thoughts is, number one is we got to have some unity in America.

02:19:01.640 And I think that campaign season brings a lot of divisiveness.

02:19:05.640 That's why I like standing in the middle.

02:19:08.480 I got Republican friends.

02:19:09.640 I got Democrat friends.

02:19:10.760 I got people on every side of the aisle.

02:19:13.080 And I think what brings us together is actually when we sit down and have conversations about life.

02:19:17.680 Because everyone comes from different experiences.

02:19:20.360 Everyone, you know, I come from a totally different experience than probably all of you.

02:19:24.860 Right.

02:19:25.160 Which is why I see things differently.

02:19:27.160 And I've experienced different things that you have, which is why I would want to do things differently.

02:19:31.500 And if we sat down and understood each other and really talked and see, why do I like Trump?

02:19:36.740 Why do I like Kamala?

02:19:38.020 Without vilifying each other and coming to an agreement on what needs to happen, then I think we all can go down a better pathway.

02:19:46.780 So I spend my life each and every day making sure folks can create generational wealth with my company, Generational Green, and helping them become homeowners, helping them become business owners, giving them incentives, pouring back into the neighborhood, and empowering them.

02:20:04.020 Because I know when I see someone own a home, they look at things differently.

02:20:07.620 Because I know when I bought my first home in a prestigious community, I knew when people was throwing trash on the street, I was like, whoa, whoa, hey, grab that.

02:20:16.140 Make sure you're cleaning up your dog poop, you know.

02:20:18.700 Hey, I start coming outside on the porch to see what's going on in my community.

02:20:22.740 And I like to see that mindset shift when people are empowered and actually have something.

02:20:27.420 And so that's how I spend my days.

02:20:30.180 Where can people find you?

02:20:30.860 People can find me at jmalgreen on all social media, J-A-Y-M-A-L, green as a color.

02:20:37.980 And, you know, see y'all on my banjo.

02:20:40.220 Right on.

02:20:41.460 Well, to keep it brief, I feel like one of the best things that's happening right now in the political discussions is, even though we're still not talking enough about policy, people are finally becoming more comfortable asking questions and not being told what to think, especially in the black community.

02:20:56.300 Because for far too long, we were told that you have to think this way, you have to view things in this perspective.

02:21:01.620 And now we're finally starting to realize we have a lot more to add to this conversation.

02:21:06.660 So it's really important for us to be having this conversation.

02:21:09.040 Someone might be left, I might be right, but we are not enemies.

02:21:11.620 We are ultimately trying to look for the greater good of America.

02:21:14.540 So that's what I hope things really come down to in this election and in the next coming years.

02:21:20.580 But you can find me at Xavier.

02:21:22.640 It's a regular spelling.

02:21:23.820 It's X-A-V-I-A-E-R.

02:21:25.900 That's on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and on Twitter.

02:21:29.360 I'm at Xavier D.

02:21:30.760 Right on.

02:21:31.460 This has been fun.

02:21:32.240 Ladies and gentlemen.

02:21:33.540 Oh, yeah.

02:21:34.300 Absolutely.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 23, 2024

The Culture War #78 Is Trump Winning Over Black Voters Or Will It Be Kamala Harris w⧸ Ja'Mal Green & Xaviaer DuRosseau

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