The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Culture War #9 - Mark Pellegrino, Star Of Supernatural & Lost, Talking Wokeness In Hollywood

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00:00:58.140 We're hanging out with Mark Pellegrino and Brett Dasovic. Mark, do you want to introduce yourself

00:01:05.020 real quick? Hi, I'm Mark Pellegrino, a Hollywood actor and entrepreneur of other things like liberty.

00:01:13.800 That's good stuff. Whenever I ask people, they're like, oh, he's Lucifer. It's like supernatural.

00:01:18.360 Well, I do feel like Lucifer. Lucifer was the first rebel, right? He rebelled against arbitrary

00:01:23.940 authority. So I feel like I'm in, I'm really walking in his footsteps.

00:01:28.000 Right on. And Brett hosts Pop Culture Crisis.

00:01:30.840 Yes. Hello. Very excited to be here.

00:01:33.660 Yeah. So the context, I suppose, as to why you're here is you're a radical capitalist.

00:01:39.320 Yes.

00:01:39.760 You make these videos on YouTube, but you're also in Hollywood.

00:01:42.580 And it seems like if in any way you're deviating from leftist orthodoxy, you're in the, you're in

00:01:47.360 the crosshairs in Hollywood. Yes.

00:01:49.520 So, you know, that's interesting. It's, it's potentially interesting. I mean, but you could

00:01:54.900 be in the crosshairs and it's stealth crosshairs. So you don't know that you're being slowly

00:01:58.260 excommunicated from Hollywood, but you are for your beliefs. The good news is when you're a radical

00:02:03.020 capitalist, you, you're, they, at first glance, you appear to be a Republican to them.

00:02:08.860 Right. But once they dig beneath the surface, they see that you're not. And so they don't

00:02:13.360 know how to place you. Yeah.

00:02:14.980 So that's good news. The good news is they can't say, oh, you're a conservative, you're

00:02:18.300 a Republican. Actually, I'm not, I'm actually a liberal. And I've been trying to steal back

00:02:21.920 that term for a long time. When I went on Dave Rubin, he was, he was calling the left

00:02:26.540 liberals. I said, no, no, no, that gives them moral authority. They don't deserve. We're

00:02:29.820 the liberals. We're the liberals. And we have to steal back that, that name.

00:02:33.840 Dave used to do that. Dave, Dave would call himself a classical liberal. And

00:02:37.840 I think he got that. I'm not, I'm not going to take credit for that, but I will. I think

00:02:41.680 he got that from me.

00:02:43.500 Classical, classical liberalism is more like a old school, what, like 1700s, very individualist.

00:02:50.660 Yeah. Jeffersonian, Jeffersonian liberalism.

00:02:53.760 So I think some good context for people. What, what, what big roles have you done? Obviously,

00:03:00.400 Lucifer and Supernatural is why people mention it. We've got people here who are huge fans and

00:03:04.560 they're gushing that you're here. So, but what, what are some other roles that you've,

00:03:08.400 you've done that people might know you from?

00:03:10.080 Um, Jacob from Lost, which, which I was doing at the same time as I was doing Lucifer.

00:03:14.340 So a lot of people don't understand how you could play God and the devil in the same week,

00:03:18.880 but, um, I did that. Um, and it's actually, actually not a stretch. Um, uh, and I was in Dexter,

00:03:25.300 um, TV show Dexter, the first, uh, guest season and right up into the first episode of the

00:03:30.400 second season. I played, uh, I played Dexter's nemesis. Uh, we were in a love triangle with my

00:03:36.780 ex, uh, my ex wife. Um, good show. Uh, I was not a good guy. Um, in fact, when, when people meet me

00:03:44.580 on the street and they are fans of Dexter, they're like, Oh my God, you were Paul from Dexter. You

00:03:48.300 were such an asshole. Okay. All right. Thanks. I guess I did my job. Um, I'm also on American Rust

00:03:55.180 right now, which was on Showtime and we, we did season two. I think it's for freebie,

00:03:59.500 but don't shoot me if that's wrong. Um, season two is going to be phenomenal. If you like season

00:04:04.640 one, season two is going to be great. Um, and you know, uh, there's the big Lebowski, which a lot

00:04:09.860 of people seem to like. Oh yeah, absolutely. A small cog in that machine, but it was a,

00:04:13.960 it was a fun machine to be a part of. The Returned as well. Oh, The Returned. Yeah. That's Carlton

00:04:19.360 Cuse from Lost, who was one of the creators and, um, executive producers of Lost. I think that show

00:04:25.500 should have gotten to season two. I think it really ramped up and got pretty good towards the end.

00:04:29.040 There was a couple of shows at that time period that I was really, that The Returned and Resurrection

00:04:33.140 were all shows were kind of shows that had similar concepts. And I was enjoying that kind of weird

00:04:37.760 aspect of Hollywood where they were kind of trying to go the M. Night Shyamalan route on like network

00:04:42.640 television for a couple of years with like Wayward Pines and these other shows that I was, uh, I was

00:04:47.400 actually a really big fan of, but I actually feel like they were prototypical and probably would

00:04:52.040 have thrived more once we went into the streaming, to the streaming era.

00:04:55.520 You're probably right.

00:04:56.480 Because it would have been able to be written out further in advance.

00:04:59.060 And ours was a remake of a show, a French show called The Revenant, um, and, uh, or Le Revenant.

00:05:05.080 And, uh, it was almost a shot for shot remake is, is very, very, um, it stuck very purely to the

00:05:12.520 original, but we don't have the French sensibility. So I don't know that it translated over as well.

00:05:17.680 And they shot it sort of in a different, with a different texture.

00:05:21.480 It's interesting too, because now considering people can't seem to find a way to get any of

00:05:25.580 these companies to do shot for shot remakes other than The Last of Us, people would like that now,

00:05:30.120 given that they take so many liberties with most of the shows that they make.

00:05:34.240 Are you a fan of The Last of Us?

00:05:35.760 Uh, I, I didn't really care.

00:05:38.560 What?

00:05:39.180 I liked it.

00:05:40.620 Sacrilege!

00:05:41.280 It was fine.

00:05:41.540 It was like, but it was like, it had no heart to me.

00:05:44.180 It had no heart?

00:05:45.320 It had no heart to me.

00:05:46.140 No heart?

00:05:46.980 I didn't play the game.

00:05:47.380 I thought it was all heart.

00:05:48.380 I didn't play the game, so I should have been the target audience.

00:05:51.180 Okay, that's, that's sin number two.

00:05:53.220 But I didn't play the game either.

00:05:54.320 Yeah.

00:05:54.760 And I did like it.

00:05:56.160 However.

00:05:56.660 I was obsessed with the game.

00:05:57.140 I didn't say I didn't like it.

00:05:58.220 I was obsessed.

00:05:58.800 I said it was fine.

00:05:59.520 You're obsessed with it?

00:06:00.020 I was obsessed with the game.

00:06:01.240 I was doing The Return at the time, living in Vancouver, and they had a PlayStation there,

00:06:05.200 and I got The Last of Us.

00:06:06.320 I don't even remember why I got it, but I could not stop playing that thing for two

00:06:11.240 months straight, so I got all the way to the end.

00:06:13.300 I did enjoy that they were able to incorporate the Ashley Johnson, the actress that voiced

00:06:17.880 Ellie in the game, that they were able to get her into the show.

00:06:20.700 In a very cool scene.

00:06:21.820 If you have not seen The Last of Us, that's a really cool scene.

00:06:24.400 But I'm going to go right for it.

00:06:26.280 I'm going to go right for the culture war element here, which I think you know where it's going.

00:06:30.240 So, true story.

00:06:31.740 I'm at a poker table just down the street, and we're all nine players.

00:06:36.960 Everyone's having a laugh.

00:06:37.860 And then someone brings up, I don't know, someone brings up, oh, a guy had a Bowser,

00:06:44.440 Mario Bowser, a card protector, which is like you put a thing on top of your card so you

00:06:48.800 don't accidentally fold or something.

00:06:50.220 And then someone asked a question about Mario, the story, then Toad came up, and I explained

00:06:57.520 that in the Mushroom Kingdom, Toad, there are actually people suffering the cordyceps fungus.

00:07:02.960 That's why they have the mushrooms going out of their heads, and they're actually plagued,

00:07:05.940 and then everyone laughed, and then this one guy goes, have you guys been watching The

00:07:09.120 Last of Us?

00:07:10.620 Everyone at the table is like, oh, it's such a good show.

00:07:13.020 And then it gets quiet, and one guy looks around and goes, except for that one episode.

00:07:17.560 And then everyone goes, yeah, that one episode.

00:07:20.700 See, I'm going to vary again.

00:07:23.380 That was one of my favorite episodes.

00:07:25.040 And you know which one I'm talking about already.

00:07:26.700 Of course I do.

00:07:27.260 It's episode three, man.

00:07:28.420 Three or seven.

00:07:29.500 Seven were, they both had the, they were detours to me.

00:07:33.160 Like, fine on their own.

00:07:35.020 If you had made it, like, if you'd added a half an hour to it, you could have made it

00:07:38.560 a movie in and of itself.

00:07:40.540 But in the context of making only nine episodes in a season, a lot of people saw it as a detour

00:07:46.480 from the story and slowed down the storytelling.

00:07:49.420 Well, a lot of people didn't like it also because the character, Bill, I guess, has a lot more

00:07:54.040 to mine because he's a fairly significant character in the game, although I don't remember him,

00:08:00.220 I have to say.

00:08:01.760 But what I love about The Last of Us is it sort of picks up where Walking Dead sort of

00:08:06.560 leaves off, right?

00:08:07.260 Walking Dead isn't so much about the zombies.

00:08:09.460 They're the backdrop.

00:08:10.300 It's really about the dramas between the people.

00:08:12.400 And the people are the monsters that you should be more afraid of than the zombies.

00:08:15.600 And in this case, this is a monster series where the monsters play a very, very small

00:08:20.400 part of the narrative.

00:08:21.600 The narrative is really of the relationships between the people.

00:08:25.200 You see very little of the actual quarter steps in the show in comparison.

00:08:29.160 Maybe three times?

00:08:29.780 Maybe three times in, what, eight or nine episodes?

00:08:32.100 So I'm wondering if for season two, they're going to go straight for the story.

00:08:37.320 I mean...

00:08:37.840 I think they'll prolong Joel as long as possible.

00:08:41.060 Yeah, how are they going to get rid of Pedro Pascal?

00:08:42.680 People love that guy.

00:08:43.400 He's like the most bankable actor in Hollywood right now.

00:08:45.500 I didn't play the second game, so I don't know where that character goes.

00:08:51.960 Do you want me to spoil it for you?

00:08:53.380 Oh, you know?

00:08:54.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

00:08:55.020 Really?

00:08:55.380 Sure.

00:08:55.680 Spoiler alert!

00:08:56.640 Spoiler alert!

00:08:57.540 Oh, come on.

00:08:58.000 The game came out like six years ago.

00:08:59.940 I've spoiled scenes from movies that are like 20 years old, and I'll get somebody in the

00:09:04.060 comments who's like, how could you do that to me?

00:09:06.080 Wait, before you do the spoiler, before the Sony scandal came out, you know, where all those

00:09:11.440 emails were released that showed all the executives were misogynists, they were going to do The

00:09:18.000 Last of Us as a movie, and we did a table reading of that, and I was asked to do the

00:09:21.860 table reading, and I played David, the cannibal cult leader, and it was so fun.

00:09:29.100 Sam Raimi was actually going to produce that and maybe even direct it.

00:09:32.420 Wow, that would be perfect for that.

00:09:32.760 You think?

00:09:33.180 Yeah.

00:09:33.840 I don't know.

00:09:34.280 I can't see...

00:09:34.900 Sam Raimi?

00:09:35.920 Yeah.

00:09:36.460 I mean, he's sort of campy.

00:09:38.040 His movies have the camp element to it.

00:09:39.880 I don't think that would have fit for this.

00:09:41.060 I agree.

00:09:43.260 It's a dramatic show.

00:09:44.520 It needs a more serious tone, right?

00:09:47.540 Yeah, I think.

00:09:48.780 Well, should I spoil it now?

00:09:50.340 Yeah, go ahead.

00:09:50.920 Let me see.

00:09:51.260 So, Joel, he kills the scientists at the end to save Ellie.

00:09:56.540 The daughter of one of those scientists seeks out Joel for revenge and murders him, and

00:10:02.560 I think it was in front of Ellie too, right?

00:10:04.140 And then Ellie wants revenge, and so Joel dies, like, right away.

00:10:08.780 You know, they sort of put you on that little gentle cliffhanger at the very end because

00:10:12.820 he tells a lie to Ellie.

00:10:14.280 Ellie knows that he's telling a lie, and you're wondering, oh, how is this going to create

00:10:17.260 a rift?

00:10:17.900 But, you know, they might do what Walking Dead did, and they might take it in an entirely

00:10:20.840 different direction as they did with many of the characters in Walking Dead.

00:10:24.000 I think they should.

00:10:24.860 But I think it's a great launch.

00:10:28.060 The concept of the cordyceps fungus, the virus, exploring the different communities and how

00:10:32.200 people have emerged after an apocalypse.

00:10:34.100 I think they should run with it.

00:10:37.340 I mean, here's what I wasn't a fan of in the show.

00:10:39.240 The very opening speech was a total pitch for global warming.

00:10:44.020 So I hated that agenda.

00:10:46.400 So that's your culture war line.

00:10:48.040 That's my culture war line.

00:10:49.080 So I'm assuming that some people probably don't know the reference we were making when

00:10:53.480 I said that one episode, but it was about, you know, two gay lovers.

00:10:57.180 Yeah.

00:10:57.860 And in fact, I think the main bill wasn't actually gay.

00:11:01.640 He says he'd never been with a guy before.

00:11:02.840 But then I actually can respect this.

00:11:05.680 It's the apocalypse.

00:11:06.480 You've been alone for five years.

00:11:08.120 No, I think he was gay.

00:11:08.980 I think that was the point.

00:11:09.840 He was living with his mom.

00:11:11.020 He was gay.

00:11:11.800 He hadn't been with a woman.

00:11:13.000 He'd been with a woman one time in his life, but he was repressed, right?

00:11:16.760 He was just a repressed, closeted gay guy.

00:11:19.540 And now he had a chance to come out.

00:11:22.060 And I don't know.

00:11:22.940 I thought it was a great episode.

00:11:24.440 I could see how people would be a little bit, you know, unnerved by it because it was

00:11:29.380 so explicit.

00:11:30.260 It was very explicit.

00:11:31.400 But the sex scene itself, I think, is what probably pushed people over the limit.

00:11:36.240 We go back and forth on the show all the time is that, like, most of the time, I'm of

00:11:39.880 the opinion, most of the time that sex scenes in general aren't necessary.

00:11:44.660 Like, I feel like most of the time-

00:11:46.740 Then you haven't seen the sex scene in Mulholland Drive because that was utterly necessary.

00:11:50.500 But listen, there are examples where it feels-

00:11:52.900 I'm joking.

00:11:53.400 So you may be right.

00:11:54.460 I'm just-

00:11:54.780 It was just such a hot sex scene that-

00:11:57.120 Brokeback Mountain is specifically about two men who are entering a gay relationship.

00:12:01.720 I can understand why, like, the plot is driven by sex scenes.

00:12:03.820 And how one is torn by being closeted and not being able to accept who he is.

00:12:08.360 But a lot of shows aren't really focusing that deeply on that issue.

00:12:11.860 They're just inserting sex scenes because the networks tell them they need to have sex

00:12:15.700 scenes.

00:12:16.160 But look, here's the thing.

00:12:18.500 When a network says, put a sex scene in it, they're basically saying 99.9% of people are

00:12:24.520 going, like, maybe not 99, but the overwhelming majority of people seeing a man and a woman

00:12:28.980 engaging, they're going to be like, this gets people involved.

00:12:32.760 But when it comes to two men doing it, you're talking about a much, much, much, much smaller

00:12:36.880 market share, in which case you're not actually enticing anybody to watch other than perhaps

00:12:41.660 the gay community or activists who are very much in favor of watching that for the cultural

00:12:46.660 ramifications.

00:12:47.660 Well, I mean, I think, look, not to play devil's advocate, but I felt like that, I felt like

00:12:54.380 if you could get on the page with those two lovers, it was a sort of a horizon expanding

00:13:00.080 experience for people, right?

00:13:01.700 Because we're working on normalizing.

00:13:07.800 I mean, I think the political activists are working on normalizing something else, but

00:13:12.300 accepting and extending that arc of rights and normality to lots of different folks that

00:13:22.540 don't necessarily fit our profile.

00:13:24.920 See, that's the classical liberalism and the traditional liberalism, because that's where

00:13:28.740 I'm at.

00:13:29.220 And, you know, we have conservatives on the show, one individual came on and said that

00:13:33.640 he thought transgender surgery should be banned for all people, no matter what.

00:13:37.220 And I said, I'm in the position, if you're an adult, I think you should be able to live

00:13:45.640 your life.

00:13:46.500 And he made the argument, we're not going to let someone cut some guy's arm off.

00:13:50.760 And I'm like, well, look, cutting your arm off, I can understand.

00:13:54.040 Like, if you go to a doctor and say, please remove my arm, it's like, well, now we're

00:13:56.360 making you dependent.

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00:15:26.580 Life.

00:15:27.640 Taking away someone's ability to reproduce is the argument.

00:15:30.340 Like you're removing healthy organs.

00:15:31.340 I'm like, you can still live.

00:15:32.780 You can still walk.

00:15:33.440 You can still run.

00:15:33.940 You can still work.

00:15:34.960 And so understanding where that line is, where we say you can't remove someone's arm.

00:15:38.880 I don't think there, I don't think this is going to sound crazy to you.

00:15:42.020 I don't think there is a line.

00:15:43.500 You know, I think, look, I think there should be a healthy trade in organs.

00:15:46.140 If you have a kidney to give somebody and you want to.

00:15:49.200 You should.

00:15:49.940 I mean, you shouldn't be subject to some, you know, lottery system where your life is

00:15:57.080 completely in the hands of other people.

00:15:58.560 If you're willing to pay somebody enough money and they think that exchange is worth the trouble

00:16:03.300 and the pain that they would have to go through, I say more power to you and make that trade

00:16:11.680 illegal.

00:16:12.400 And I'm not, this isn't China.

00:16:13.960 I'm not talking about China where they imprison, you know, political prisoners and religious

00:16:18.720 dissenters and then steal that from them.

00:16:21.340 This is an actual exchange of people who've decided beforehand that the terms are appropriate

00:16:26.160 for their particular lives.

00:16:27.800 So let that happen.

00:16:28.720 And if you want, if you want to get a sex change and you have the funds to pay for you,

00:16:33.100 as long as you're not making me pay, pay for your, you know, your transition by all

00:16:38.900 means, go ahead and do it.

00:16:40.440 It's your life.

00:16:41.400 But no kids?

00:16:43.300 No kids.

00:16:44.260 Yeah, no kids.

00:16:44.720 No kids.

00:16:45.200 I don't, I think, yeah, I don't think, I don't think it should be children.

00:16:50.620 Yeah, the, the, I'm probably starting to agree more with the radical capitalists, anarchist

00:16:55.940 libertarians on this issue, particularly.

00:16:58.180 We're not the same.

00:16:59.040 No, I know.

00:16:59.500 No, but there's just like, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's an umbrella of some agreement

00:17:05.180 on more laissez-faire capitalism.

00:17:07.820 Not that it's all identical.

00:17:09.200 That's why I say I'm agreeing with all of them in different respects.

00:17:11.720 Right.

00:17:12.100 Just because I'm thinking about, so one of the things we're doing is trying to open

00:17:16.840 a social club with poker and it's completely illegal in West Virginia.

00:17:20.840 And so, but get this, I'm like, you're mean, and gambling in general.

00:17:24.720 Okay.

00:17:25.420 I'm not the biggest fan of gambling, right?

00:17:27.360 I, I, I, I like going to an arcade, you take 50 bucks, you get your, your tokens on your

00:17:32.560 card and you can play beer pong and basketball and you might win a stuffed animal.

00:17:36.320 My, my view of casinos are you spend, you, you, you come with a hundred dollars when the

00:17:40.900 hundred dollars is gone, you add your entertainment from the night, you don't go there trying to

00:17:43.900 get rich.

00:17:44.620 That being said, you're allowed in this country to walk into a Ben and Jerry's by a, a five

00:17:53.060 gallon drum of, of half baked and eat it till you are hospitalized.

00:17:59.140 But you can't wager amongst your buddies, your own money on a sporting event.

00:18:05.400 You're watching a football with your friends and you're like, let's put a hundred bucks

00:18:08.640 down.

00:18:08.840 Oh, now you've broken the law.

00:18:10.400 Not like anyone's going to come and hunt you down for it.

00:18:12.600 But when it comes to playing poker with your friends in Texas, they actually raid some of

00:18:16.980 these, these social clubs of people who've decided among themselves to play a game.

00:18:21.540 And I'm just like, it got me thinking about the constitutional limits of what someone is

00:18:26.280 allowed to do with their money.

00:18:27.540 We had the citizens United ruling like 10 years ago or whatever it was, where they said

00:18:31.500 money is speech and you can spend an unlimited amount of money on, on political speech.

00:18:36.240 So long as not directly colluding with the politician.

00:18:38.800 And then I'm just thinking about that and I'm like, so we agree.

00:18:43.400 You can spend your money as you see fit on whatever you want, even if it's a billion dollars

00:18:47.140 into our political system, which changes the fabric of society.

00:18:50.340 But I can't take 25 bucks and bet my buddy that the, the, you know, the Bengals or whatever,

00:18:55.060 whatever team is going to win or something.

00:18:57.180 Thank God, thank God for the political class saving us from ourselves.

00:19:00.540 Not without the government getting their cut anyways.

00:19:02.660 Yeah.

00:19:02.880 I mean, yeah, there's a lot of profit going on in there.

00:19:05.340 There's, there's capital gains that they need to get ahold of.

00:19:08.120 So, and then we had, uh, uh, in New York, Bloomberg wanted the, the, the sin taxes,

00:19:12.860 but this is, this is actually, uh, man, I'm, I'm completely opposed to this.

00:19:17.680 I completely oppose taxation for the purpose of social engineering, like taxes on gas or

00:19:22.800 taxes on cigarettes or taxes on soda.

00:19:24.980 Yeah, sure.

00:19:25.800 Me too.

00:19:26.160 Yeah.

00:19:26.940 But, uh, I guess going back to what you were just talking about, you're, I don't know

00:19:30.560 if I would agree with the whole organ thing.

00:19:32.660 Yeah.

00:19:33.060 How do you prevent, um, how, like, how do you prevent the lowest class of person who

00:19:37.840 is struggling financially from making a decision that might be bad for them?

00:19:44.320 Well, you don't because that's what free will is all about is making decisions.

00:19:49.140 Some of which are good, some of which are bad.

00:19:51.140 But if that person decides, given the alternatives that they have, that this is actually the

00:19:55.160 best possible alternative for them, why would you deprive them of that?

00:19:58.300 That's what I want to say.

00:19:59.220 And making sure that they're properly informed about the rest.

00:20:03.100 That's, I mean, look, being informed about something is your responsibility.

00:20:07.400 I mean, it's yours.

00:20:07.680 So like if there was somebody and, uh, you went to them and said, I would like to offer

00:20:14.080 you a hundred grand for your kidney.

00:20:15.920 And they're like, I'll pay for your hospitalization.

00:20:18.400 I'll pay for everything.

00:20:20.200 Here's the hospital we're going to be at.

00:20:21.740 Here's the doctor.

00:20:23.060 Um, I'll give you any research material that you need.

00:20:26.120 Um, you can consult with a doctor.

00:20:27.840 I mean, of course, if you're, if you're going into an exchange with somebody, you have to

00:20:31.900 go in with both eyes open and, and know as, as much as you possibly can about the territory

00:20:37.240 you're going to enter into.

00:20:38.640 And so what would you then say defrauding the individual lying to them in any way is

00:20:43.060 a criminal element?

00:20:44.060 Absolutely.

00:20:44.640 Just like it would be in any other exchange.

00:20:46.380 So like, right.

00:20:47.100 So if you went to someone and said, I'll buy both your kidneys, don't worry, you'll be

00:20:50.560 fine.

00:20:50.740 You don't need them anyway.

00:20:51.880 And then they say, sure.

00:20:52.620 That person would be stupid to take that because you can't live without your kidneys.

00:20:55.820 But that's, that's, that's the issue, right?

00:20:57.560 There's this balance we try to, we try to, um, find between protecting stupid people

00:21:01.760 from assholes.

00:21:03.140 You know what I mean?

00:21:04.120 And to a certain degree, you can't.

00:21:06.060 You can't, you can't, but you can, you know, you can't prosecute them when they do bad things

00:21:11.000 like that, when they, when they lie and there's actual consequences in material world for them

00:21:16.440 defrauding somebody.

00:21:17.840 Here's, here's a challenge, I suppose.

00:21:18.860 Okay.

00:21:19.140 So in this scenario, a guy goes to a stupid person, maybe their IQ is very low and says,

00:21:24.100 I'm going to buy both your kidneys and I'll give you a hundred grand.

00:21:27.600 And the person's like, well, that sounds good to me.

00:21:29.560 And then, so that's fraud and it's causing harm.

00:21:32.920 But then I wonder, what if they're both stupid?

00:21:35.300 What if the guy offering the money is actually really dumb as well?

00:21:38.280 He's like, I'm pretty sure you don't need kidneys.

00:21:39.860 And the guy's like, sounds good to me.

00:21:41.760 You know, like.

00:21:42.860 I mean, yeah, we could, we could probably trace these examples out, um, uh, forever and

00:21:48.320 ever and ever, uh, but you can't, you can't prevent people from making bad choices.

00:21:51.720 I mean, you know, all these vice laws are about, you know, trying to prevent people from

00:21:55.840 making bad choices who gamble, gambling may be legal in the United States.

00:22:00.120 If there weren't people who gambled their entire lives away and their life savings and

00:22:03.920 ruin their families and their own reputation.

00:22:05.920 Maybe they should like, maybe, like I, I kind of feel, and maybe I'll be callous.

00:22:12.140 It's callous to say this, but we, we can't just preserve stupid people.

00:22:17.480 It's impossible.

00:22:18.300 Now, look, I'm not saying we let people die.

00:22:19.920 I'm saying if you see someone walking towards a cliff with a blindfold on, you stop them from

00:22:23.600 going off the cliff, but at a certain point, if there's, you know, stupid people will do

00:22:28.080 stupid things that cause harm to themselves, their families and lives.

00:22:31.140 And that's reality.

00:22:33.160 It's, it's natural selection.

00:22:35.200 And the left's view of this is like, how dare you?

00:22:38.420 We must save every single person all the time.

00:22:40.980 Okay.

00:22:41.180 My view is within our, within our means, within our power.

00:22:43.700 Yes.

00:22:43.900 We try to save everybody, but I'm saying we can't save everybody.

00:22:47.440 We can save as many as possible, but this means ultimately there will be right now, right

00:22:51.940 now, somewhere in the world, a guy just fell off a cliff.

00:22:54.000 A guy was taking a picture on the edge of a Canyon and then fell backwards and now he's

00:22:57.840 dead.

00:22:58.060 It probably just happened.

00:22:59.080 We actually just covered a story like that recently where like an influencer was taking

00:23:02.480 a selfie on a balcony and fell over.

00:23:04.880 Like not literally not that long ago.

00:23:06.580 And it's like, what are you going to do?

00:23:08.060 Are we going to put cages around all the balconies?

00:23:09.240 It got 2 million views.

00:23:10.760 So that's all that matters.

00:23:12.140 Do we put nets around every building now because that happened one time?

00:23:15.500 And I'm, I'm kind of of the same opinion because I'm, I'm in recovery and, but I also

00:23:19.780 am one of those people that does like the drug war has done irreparable damage to the

00:23:23.960 country and to the world.

00:23:24.940 So I'm of the opinion that, uh, you have the right as an adult to do what you want to

00:23:30.320 do.

00:23:30.600 Now you can't drive drunk.

00:23:31.920 You're not supposed to be driving inebriated, but I don't think that it's beneficial to spend

00:23:37.140 billions of dollars trying to stop thing, people from doing things.

00:23:40.660 That's just going to push them to a black market anyways.

00:23:43.900 Plus what are the unintended consequences of the drug war?

00:23:46.820 I mean, you're introducing a black market, which introduces violence and, and has had

00:23:53.080 the effect of building up these massive criminal enterprises right on the border that control

00:23:57.960 entire towns.

00:23:58.860 Now, Americans may be a little remote from the fact that these cartels control towns, murder

00:24:03.820 people indiscriminately, hang them from fricking cranes, you know, um, they're not, they're not

00:24:08.600 subject to the terrorism that we're starting to be subject to the terrorism, but you know,

00:24:12.820 the conservatives will bitch and moan about immigrants and, and the cartels controlling

00:24:16.820 the flood of humanity in here and the drugs that they're bringing into the United States.

00:24:20.840 But their, their solution is never to legalize drugs, which would immediately castrate the,

00:24:26.680 the cartels in the same way that, you know, ending prohibition stopped the growth of the,

00:24:32.740 of the mafia.

00:24:33.540 Get this.

00:24:33.920 So with the legalization of marijuana in places like Colorado and Oregon and things like that,

00:24:39.440 the cartels lost a substantial amount of revenue.

00:24:41.880 So they started to look for a different cash crop and you know what they settled on?

00:24:46.440 Avocados.

00:24:47.460 Really?

00:24:48.060 No joke.

00:24:48.820 Avocados.

00:24:49.540 The cartels realized it's, it, marijuana has become legal and it's a cheap product.

00:24:56.020 And you know what?

00:24:56.660 And when you, and when you smoke some, some weed, you're going to want that guacamole.

00:25:00.620 No joke.

00:25:01.300 But here's the thing, avocados are very expensive.

00:25:04.380 So when it came down to marijuana was only valuable because it was restricted.

00:25:09.900 Once the restrictions were lifted, all of a sudden it's like, well, now it's just this

00:25:13.640 cheap product that everyone's got everywhere.

00:25:15.740 But avocados are much, you can grow pot wherever, you know, we were in Austin.

00:25:20.560 They had pot shops with the pot growing in the windows.

00:25:25.420 In Austin.

00:25:26.360 And so now the cartels are like, okay, we can't make as much money off this anymore because

00:25:30.360 it's readily available, cheap and legal.

00:25:32.740 Avocados are also readily, readily available, cheap and legal, but hard to grow.

00:25:36.080 So they immediately started going to producers and being like, we're going to handle the

00:25:39.420 transport for all your avocados.

00:25:40.780 Now it's all legal.

00:25:41.820 Now it's the cartels are legally dealing in avocados.

00:25:44.760 There you go.

00:25:45.260 That's, that's great.

00:25:46.240 And that's, and that's how capitalism brings peace to a, to a, to a market, right?

00:25:49.920 When you, when you start restricting products for which there is a market, you introduce

00:25:53.720 violence into it because people are going to get it one way or another.

00:25:57.880 And by the way, I'm not, I don't have any dog in this fight cause I'm six years sober.

00:26:01.540 So I'm, I don't, I don't care about drugs.

00:26:04.420 And also impurity, like with the fentanyl, with people talking about the fentanyl crisis,

00:26:08.000 that is because the cartels and people that are making it illegally can substitute ingredients

00:26:14.560 that would be healthier or not healthier, but would be able to make them at the pure state.

00:26:18.300 So they would be able to use them safely, as safely as possible.

00:26:22.340 So when you start to outlaw and they have to substitute things like that, then you get

00:26:27.540 the crisis we have with fentanyl right now.

00:26:29.480 And you, and you get the breach of rights that happens when you give organizations like

00:26:33.560 the drug enforcement agency, all of these powers to seize your assets, break into your

00:26:39.260 home, take you prisoner.

00:26:40.700 And they do it selectively.

00:26:42.340 Yes, they do.

00:26:43.340 There's a, there's a really funny story on the internet a long time ago where a guy

00:26:46.380 got a, bought a house and then he put grow lamps all over the house.

00:26:51.460 And then, uh, I think it was the DA, I'm not sure, or Sheriff's department.

00:26:54.720 They were illegally scanning houses for high power consumption and grow lights, and then

00:27:00.260 just raiding them under the assumption it was an illegal, you know, pot grow house.

00:27:04.820 And so they break into this house and what do they find?

00:27:07.840 It's empty and there's live streaming cameras all over the place.

00:27:10.800 And like a sign saying like, you've just violated the fourth and that was something like that.

00:27:14.600 They got so pissed off.

00:27:16.380 I think they tried to arrest the guy or something.

00:27:18.440 Unbelievable.

00:27:19.240 Yeah.

00:27:19.580 I mean, we're, we're, we're, we're approaching police state status.

00:27:23.020 I think we're in.

00:27:24.360 We're probably in it, but it's still a little more benign than what we've seen in the past,

00:27:31.040 but, and what exists other places, but it's, we're getting there.

00:27:33.500 Michael Malice was, uh, telling me people do not understand what bad is.

00:27:38.860 So you've got a lot of people complaining about selective enforcement.

00:27:42.220 I mean, pro-life activists are getting arrested while left-wing activists in front of the

00:27:46.300 judges' homes are allowed to keep doing whatever they want.

00:27:49.360 And, uh, so people are getting rightly pissed about this imbalance, but he was like, they

00:27:53.180 don't understand what bad is.

00:27:54.920 Bad is like the cops show up to your house and they just black bag you and then kill you

00:27:57.960 on the spot in front of your family.

00:27:59.060 And that's what happened in many of these countries.

00:28:01.400 And he's from Russia, so he knows.

00:28:02.900 Yeah.

00:28:03.880 You know, so, um, well, that's true, but, uh, and, and, and he rightly points out that,

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00:29:38.260 Sort of, our language of hyperbole is actually a great thing because we have so much freedom

00:29:44.720 that little violations like this are the end of the world for us when they're really not.

00:29:50.000 They're not really comparable to the things that are going on in the rest of the world.

00:29:53.420 And that is a good thing, but we're getting there.

00:29:56.500 Yeah.

00:29:56.900 And I think it's going to happen faster and faster.

00:29:58.740 It is.

00:29:59.600 Yeah.

00:29:59.860 I agree.

00:30:00.200 I think over the, what did we just say?

00:30:02.840 We have the mobs rampaging through Chicago, the teen takeover, they call it.

00:30:06.460 Compton too.

00:30:07.260 Yeah.

00:30:07.720 And then, right in Compton.

00:30:08.800 And then we had a state senator say they're just poverty and segregation protesters.

00:30:12.980 Yeah, well, see, this is the ethics of altruism rearing its ugly head in the world.

00:30:18.900 You know, if you need, then need creates a moral dynamic in which you have claims to

00:30:29.320 anything you want.

00:30:30.340 And anything you do to satisfy those claims is justified.

00:30:33.840 So those kids need, and they shouldn't be arrested.

00:30:38.600 But they're not taking anything.

00:30:39.540 Right, but see, but because they need, their moral status is such that you have no right,

00:30:45.060 since you have, you have no right to complain about what they're doing.

00:30:48.600 Anything they do is justified.

00:30:50.100 We see that all the time, this David and Goliath scenario that they put us up against,

00:30:54.500 where the people who need and are, quote unquote, impoverished, have a moral claim on anything

00:31:00.040 they want.

00:31:00.520 And any way of getting that is justified.

00:31:03.220 Well, so let me ask you, you used to be a Democrat?

00:31:06.160 Yeah.

00:31:06.380 You're just like a more mainstream liberal voter and more.

00:31:11.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:11.620 I mean, I was, I was an environmentalist.

00:31:13.660 How can you not be growing up in California?

00:31:16.000 They sort of indoctrinate you with environmentalism.

00:31:18.980 And this was in the 70s, you know, so this was at the very beginning of, of that kind

00:31:23.500 of indoctrination.

00:31:24.180 Now it's fall worse.

00:31:24.940 That was global cooling back then, wasn't it?

00:31:26.500 It's global cooling back then.

00:31:27.860 But it was also, you know, we had to be concerned about our limited resources.

00:31:31.460 You know, we, we had the, what's his name?

00:31:34.160 Paul Ehrlich had written Population Bomb and of course, Silent Spring had come out.

00:31:38.560 So, you know, we were all going to die within the next 10 years if we didn't get a handle

00:31:41.980 on this.

00:31:42.560 You know, they keep saying that every 10 years.

00:31:45.120 Every 10 to 12 years.

00:31:46.100 Yeah.

00:31:46.120 Greta, Greta Thunberg, was it, she deleted that tweet because she was, she tweeted a few

00:31:50.220 years ago, like by 2023, if we don't do this.

00:31:52.040 And she's like, oh, better delete that.

00:31:53.240 So, but, but how did you, uh, how did you, I guess, uh, change what, what awakened you

00:31:58.080 into a different way of thinking?

00:32:00.660 Ayn Rand.

00:32:02.540 Um, picked up the fact.

00:32:03.880 Well, I was in acting school and I used to get in debates with one of my actor friends

00:32:09.700 about pretty much everything.

00:32:12.180 And, uh, and he would always beat me and it used to irritate me.

00:32:16.440 And so I thought if I could just give him some, some books that back up my philosophy,

00:32:22.360 he'll get it.

00:32:23.220 So I, I said, let's have a book exchange.

00:32:25.220 You and I, I'll give you five books that have influenced me.

00:32:29.160 You give me five books that have influenced you.

00:32:31.540 And he gave me two books, the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged and they changed my life.

00:32:36.280 Wow.

00:32:36.460 I don't think my books had much of an effect on him, but.

00:32:38.760 Do you remember what they were?

00:32:39.740 The books you gave him?

00:32:40.780 Uh, one was the road less traveled by N.

00:32:42.800 Scott Peck.

00:32:43.260 I think the other was illusions by Richard Bach.

00:32:47.120 It's all primacy of conscious.

00:32:49.040 I mean, M.

00:32:49.800 Scott Peck is, I think a psychotherapist.

00:32:52.080 So it's a little more scientific with him, but Richard Bach illusions is all about primacy

00:32:57.060 of consciousness.

00:32:57.700 I don't know if you know those terms, primacy of existence, primacy of consciousness, two

00:33:01.200 orientations to reality.

00:33:03.100 Primacy of existence is existence, existence exists, um, whether you're here to perceive

00:33:08.900 it or not.

00:33:09.460 And your job as a conscious being is to integrate your perceptions and figure out what, what

00:33:14.380 reality is.

00:33:15.320 Primacy of consciousness is your consciousness creates reality, you know?

00:33:19.460 So, so the, the, the, a lot of the political movements today, specifically the trans movement

00:33:24.000 is all about primacy of consciousness.

00:33:25.940 What I feel, how I identify.

00:33:28.200 That's, I, that's, I, I think a strong distinction between the two factions in the, in the, in

00:33:32.780 the culture work.

00:33:33.560 People who think the universe is, and people who think the universe is what I want it to

00:33:37.260 be.

00:33:37.480 Correct.

00:33:38.700 Yeah.

00:33:38.940 And they never, they never seem to understand that the cognitive dissonance they feel when

00:33:43.980 the universe isn't meeting up to their expectations is a cue for them to change their perspective,

00:33:48.800 not to change the universe.

00:33:51.380 That's, uh, that one thing, that's one thing that really gets me because I probably fall

00:33:54.620 into the universe is category and we're experiencing it, but then there are people who believe that

00:34:00.280 the universe is theirs.

00:34:01.780 It's, it's this egocentric.

00:34:03.980 I'm the only thing that matters kind of perspective.

00:34:05.760 Yeah.

00:34:06.720 I think, I think the culture wars, the, the, the, the main warriors on the left are, are

00:34:12.040 extremely narcissistic.

00:34:13.960 Yeah.

00:34:14.520 Uh, and then you certainly have that element, you know, it's funny because it's not a mirror

00:34:18.160 image between in, in, in the culture war.

00:34:20.600 It's, uh, the left is highly clustered.

00:34:23.220 You actually, there's a, there's a political map showing social justice versus anti-social

00:34:27.640 justice and economics, uh, social versus laissez-faire and the quote unquote, right is spread out

00:34:35.220 all along the, from moderately for social justice to oppose to it from moderately more

00:34:41.940 socialist to laissez-faire.

00:34:43.840 But the, the left faction was clustered all extremely tightly in communists and social

00:34:50.060 justice.

00:34:51.000 Well, that's, that's why the right is losing because the left is morally consistent.

00:34:54.920 And in a debate between two ideas, the most consistent wins.

00:34:59.480 Oh, I disagree.

00:35:00.120 I don't think they're morally consistent at all.

00:35:01.380 I think they're.

00:35:02.020 Well, I can defend my position, but you, you, you go ahead and, well, I mean, you have

00:35:07.220 for, so for one, the coalition of people of color says that Slavic people are people

00:35:12.300 of color.

00:35:12.900 So blonde hair, blue eyed, white men are people of color, which makes, is completely

00:35:18.520 inconsistent.

00:35:19.200 There was a, there was one instance where they said in order to be inclusive of all women,

00:35:24.140 we now must spell women with an X instead of an E, Wimixen.

00:35:27.800 And then what happened was they, another faction immediately came out and said, that's

00:35:31.240 exclusionary to trans women because trans women are women, therefore you're offensive.

00:35:35.200 And then another group said, we're spying with a Y because man.

00:35:38.080 So there's the, the, the one thing I find among the left is a complete lack of moral

00:35:42.320 consistency and a rapid shift in what their morals are supposed to be.

00:35:46.520 Well, that standpoint is epistemology, which is you see the world from different perspectives

00:35:51.040 and your reality is different depending upon the, the perspective, where you sit in, you

00:35:57.320 know, the intersections of various cultures.

00:35:59.880 I don't see any moral framework.

00:36:02.040 So, so, so, well, the moral framework is, is radical skepticism.

00:36:05.300 It's, it's, it's just taking, you know, it's taking what, what we got essentially from

00:36:10.900 Plato, which is you can't know what's really in front of you, which was perpetuated by Kant

00:36:15.520 and what most people believe.

00:36:17.260 And it's just putting it in practice.

00:36:19.100 You know, there is no, there is no set reality.

00:36:23.100 There, there's only your perception, your assessment of that, which sort of makes it

00:36:28.060 up.

00:36:28.340 So that's their, that's to me, that's their, that's their, their consistency is in that

00:36:32.600 primacy of consciousness, radical skepticism framework.

00:36:35.960 Whereas, you know, some on the right by that, some on the right, like objective reality,

00:36:41.620 some on the right are, you know, they're all over the spectrum.

00:36:43.780 But it, but it, but it's completely contradictory to what they do.

00:36:46.560 So if the corporate press comes out and says what, two plus two equals five, they all immediately

00:36:51.380 agree.

00:36:52.300 Right.

00:36:52.880 So it's paradoxical.

00:36:54.060 But yeah, you're right.

00:36:55.040 But to them, it's, it's, it's a paradox and change are, are, are the realities for them.

00:37:02.980 Logic is, is the means by which you, you exercise out right paradoxes.

00:37:07.700 If there, if there's a paradox, you know, something is wrong in your reasoning and you

00:37:11.340 have to sort it out.

00:37:12.560 You have to get rid of contradictions.

00:37:14.160 They don't care about those contradictions.

00:37:15.680 The existence of the contradiction is their moral framework, essentially that, that it's

00:37:20.000 something that, it's something they're, they're, they're pleased not to try to sort out

00:37:23.400 for themselves.

00:37:24.780 I think the two plus two equals five thing that they've pushed so heavily is a, is a

00:37:28.540 good example of what you're saying that you skepticism, you can't know that not everything

00:37:32.280 is, but at the same time, the fact that there appears to be a logical inconsistency is exactly

00:37:37.740 their world.

00:37:39.080 Well, but also it, it has an enormous, enormous power, those kinds of strange statements.

00:37:45.760 And the power that it has is to undermine your confidence in reality.

00:37:50.660 Yeah.

00:37:51.680 You're right.

00:37:52.320 And to the extent that you cede any moral ground to them at all, you're undermining

00:37:56.520 your own confidence in reality.

00:37:58.900 And that's what they want because when you don't have confidence in reality, they can

00:38:03.900 tell you what to do.

00:38:05.400 Right.

00:38:06.240 They can, they can tell you you're actually mistaken.

00:38:08.860 You're making a mistake.

00:38:09.780 Trust me instead.

00:38:10.820 And they use, and they, and look, they use pressure and, and violence and the threat of

00:38:14.800 violence and the threat of exclusion to, to press their point home and to intimidate

00:38:19.540 people into silence.

00:38:21.000 So I do think it's fascinating that the two books, it's probably the most, uh, what's

00:38:27.200 the right way to say it?

00:38:29.380 It's the most obvious, right?

00:38:31.120 You were given the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged and you went, wow.

00:38:34.520 And those are like, those are the books, I guess.

00:38:36.620 Right.

00:38:36.840 If, if, if someone was going to make a guess before the show, what books you read that

00:38:40.120 made you think this, it'd probably be those books.

00:38:42.860 Absolutely.

00:38:43.380 Yeah.

00:38:43.620 I mean, the Fountainhead is, is I think the better book artistically speaking, but it's

00:38:48.000 about an artist and it's about artistic integrity.

00:38:49.860 It's about rational egoism and what that means.

00:38:52.720 What does selfishness mean?

00:38:53.880 If you want, if you want to know what selfishness means and you don't want to go through objectivist

00:38:58.240 epistemology, which can be a drudgery, um, like any kind of philosophy, um, then read the

00:39:04.660 Fountainhead and you'll see an example in the hero of what rational egoism actually is.

00:39:10.000 Have you ever played Bioshock?

00:39:13.020 Uh, yes.

00:39:14.000 And it's, it's disturbing because it's clearly when I want to, it's clearly anti, yeah.

00:39:18.860 It's, it takes every stereotype of, of objectivism or Rand's philosophy in narrative form and reverses

00:39:25.500 it on its head.

00:39:26.400 Yeah.

00:39:26.700 Like the worst possible interpretations.

00:39:29.060 Like a Nietzschean, like it's, it's, it's more Nietzschean, you know, that's a good game

00:39:32.540 though.

00:39:33.180 It's a pretty good game.

00:39:34.300 Yeah.

00:39:34.660 But it, it definitely takes the, the worst interpretation of her work and, and created

00:39:40.120 a pretty interesting narrative to it.

00:39:41.880 And that, that, that's part of you fight Atlas.

00:39:45.280 Yeah.

00:39:45.740 I never got that far.

00:39:47.280 I never got that far because the narrative was so bad.

00:39:49.960 It was so obviously it was didactic, but you know, I mean, we have to do things like

00:39:55.160 that.

00:39:55.440 We have to make games like that where you're getting that little piece of indoctrination,

00:39:58.880 um, this, but good indoctrination.

00:40:01.960 No, I, I agree.

00:40:02.600 Um, one of the things that I like to talk about is Harry Potter being so incredibly popular

00:40:06.880 among millennials.

00:40:07.460 It's like the only cultural reference they have everything.

00:40:09.600 Trump is Voldemort, everyone's Voldemort, but I mean, it's the most unoriginal story to

00:40:15.160 be completely honest.

00:40:16.320 Now the universe building that JK Rowling did with Harry Potter is fantastic, which is wizards

00:40:20.620 and all that.

00:40:21.040 But really all she did was write about Hitler.

00:40:23.900 It's like Voldemort is magic Hitler who wants pure blooded wizards.

00:40:28.480 We get it.

00:40:29.060 We get it.

00:40:29.900 And then what has she done for all of the, so now Harry Potter finishes with book seven.

00:40:34.260 They do secret, uh, fantastic beasts.

00:40:36.460 And what do they do?

00:40:37.240 It's another magic Hitler, Grindelwald.

00:40:40.480 He's also Hitler.

00:40:41.800 And like, it's the only idea she has in her mind.

00:40:44.780 And so my, my, my thought was, I would love, maybe she'll consider doing it now that she's

00:40:50.380 under fire from the left over the trans issue.

00:40:52.320 My view of the next very obvious cultural reference you could make would be the Soviet Union,

00:40:58.960 Stalin and communism in that the story writes itself, the bad guy in the next arc for Harry

00:41:04.140 Potter is someone who thinks magic puts people above other people and that wizards and muggles

00:41:09.280 are all humans.

00:41:09.920 So they should be equal and then seeks to suppress the use of magic.

00:41:13.420 You end up with a Stalin-esque figure as opposed to another Hitler that she's written like four

00:41:17.700 versions of.

00:41:18.800 I like that.

00:41:19.860 I like that.

00:41:20.440 If you, if you explore the idea.

00:41:22.320 If you watch the history channel at all, um, you'll see that they have, they have almost

00:41:26.780 an infinite number of Hitler episodes and almost nothing of Stalin.

00:41:30.340 And I think it bothers me.

00:41:32.680 Or Mao.

00:41:33.360 And the Mao stuff.

00:41:34.060 So crazy.

00:41:34.600 The pig iron, the destroy all your tools.

00:41:37.480 Yeah.

00:41:37.640 Guys, we know Hitler was evil.

00:41:40.340 Okay.

00:41:40.840 But so we're Stalin and Mao.

00:41:43.120 So can we, can we also teach kids that?

00:41:45.580 Trying to explain to them what a struggle session was now in this, in the day and age now where

00:41:50.760 that's becoming almost commonplace on the internet.

00:41:53.560 Didn't, didn't Mao have everybody go out and kill the sparrows or something like that?

00:41:56.940 What was that story?

00:41:57.800 That I don't know.

00:41:58.640 But, um, they were like, sounds it.

00:42:00.580 And then the, and then the bug population exploded and created a famine.

00:42:03.900 It's just a whole bunch of really stupid things these people do when they hyper-centralize

00:42:07.720 power.

00:42:08.800 And that, that, so ultimately where I end up falling more on the capitalism side is that

00:42:12.380 capitalism is a decentralized economic system.

00:42:15.440 Whereas communism, of course, is a command centralized economy.

00:42:18.320 Right.

00:42:18.420 And these people are trying to wager that the individual, them, as one person is smarter

00:42:24.360 than the entire decentralized network of human thought, which is the stupidest thing I've

00:42:28.280 ever heard.

00:42:28.780 It's impossible.

00:42:29.720 Absolutely impossible.

00:42:30.460 It's impossible for any one person to understand the transactions of any 50 or a hundred people,

00:42:35.880 let alone 350 million or 7 billion people.

00:42:38.920 You need to leave that to them.

00:42:41.720 Right.

00:42:41.980 And that's the great thing about capitalism that I always focus on.

00:42:45.540 I don't focus on it as a system of capital or private ownership.

00:42:48.740 I focus on it as the only system, the only liberal system there is.

00:42:52.700 It's about choice.

00:42:54.020 It's about, it's about self-sovereignty.

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00:44:29.260 You know, going back to your point about, what is it called?

00:44:31.420 The primacy of...

00:44:32.700 Consciousness or primacy of existence.

00:44:34.540 This is a really good point when you think about their economic views on resources and

00:44:41.140 things like this.

00:44:41.560 So, I'll give you a couple examples.

00:44:42.840 I was arguing with the Great British Socialist Party or whatever on Twitter.

00:44:47.400 And they were arguing that...

00:44:49.440 I'm sorry, by the way.

00:44:50.400 But it's fun.

00:44:51.620 It's fun.

00:44:52.080 I'm not being mean to them.

00:44:53.420 Them mean to me were like exchanging ideas in a rather like hoity-toity kind of way.

00:44:57.280 But it was like a good exchange.

00:44:58.840 And I said, the system doesn't work because, you know, the allocation of resources doesn't

00:45:05.100 make sense.

00:45:05.580 An individual who wants to be a musician, for instance, everybody would be playing guitar.

00:45:09.040 If they said, everybody just pick your job and do whatever you want, then people are

00:45:13.080 going to be like, I always want to be a musician.

00:45:15.120 The problem is they're not good at it.

00:45:16.860 And so, I always tell people, how many people do you know play music?

00:45:22.080 And they're like, oh, a bunch.

00:45:23.140 How many of them want to be professional musicians?

00:45:25.380 Oh, man, half of them.

00:45:26.480 And how many of them are good enough to do it?

00:45:28.300 And they're like, none of them.

00:45:30.000 And I'm like, now imagine if we had a communist system where in their utopian view, you could

00:45:33.620 do whatever you wanted.

00:45:34.940 Everybody would be playing awful music and nobody would be making bread.

00:45:38.560 So, I tell the Socialist Party that and they responded with, that's absurd.

00:45:42.080 They disagree.

00:45:42.660 And so, I presented a scenario, I said, okay, let's say someone's a carpenter, but they really

00:45:49.580 like building cars on the side.

00:45:51.400 And then, you know, they want to fix up an old 1969 Mustang or something.

00:45:56.420 How would they do that in a communist system where their job is ascribed to them based on

00:46:00.160 their skills, you know, according to their skills and what they get is according to their

00:46:04.860 needs.

00:46:05.300 And they were like, what do you mean?

00:46:06.720 They would just go down and get whatever they wanted.

00:46:09.680 And I'm like, somebody whose job is to fix plumbing really also wants to try and invent

00:46:16.900 a new kind of car or something.

00:46:19.140 Do they go to the government and say, here are the parts that I need?

00:46:22.360 Wouldn't the government say, you don't need those and your skills don't apply to those?

00:46:26.800 In a capitalist system, there's a guy who is a janitor who comes up with a really great

00:46:33.980 idea for a food product and makes it, presents it to the company and they say, this is brilliant,

00:46:40.040 congratulations, this is your job now.

00:46:42.240 You're able to find the diamond in the rough and craft it.

00:46:45.500 Capitalism allows for this, communism doesn't.

00:46:48.000 Communism would say, we're not going to, so I'll slow down.

00:46:51.440 The guy who invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos, I think he was a janitor.

00:46:54.200 Yeah.

00:46:54.420 He worked at Frito-Lay.

00:46:55.580 Yeah, he was.

00:46:56.040 Thank you.

00:46:56.460 And yeah, and it's their most popular product.

00:46:59.840 The company said, anybody who works here, feel free to submit your ideas.

00:47:04.140 And so what he would do is he would take the dry Cheeto pieces and put chili lime stuff

00:47:08.620 on it, like, you know, like the Mexican candy.

00:47:11.280 And then he brought it to them and they said, this is delicious.

00:47:14.140 Let's go with it.

00:47:15.760 In a communist system, you can't do that.

00:47:18.680 The communists are going to be like, we are not going to give you the things you need to

00:47:21.720 experiment.

00:47:22.460 These are not according to your skills or needs.

00:47:24.060 The great British Socialist Party told me that in a socialist system, anyone at any

00:47:28.940 time for any reason could go down to the government and acquire whatever they wanted.

00:47:33.820 And I just said, you realize resources are finite, right?

00:47:37.020 They're not just going to give something.

00:47:39.360 In a capitalist system, you have access to it, but you still have to allocate the resources

00:47:43.120 yourself.

00:47:43.940 You still have to trade something of value so that you can then make the choice to trade

00:47:49.680 the value you've produced for the value you want to, you know.

00:47:52.120 And the price of that resource tells you exactly how much work you need to put in to get it.

00:47:58.220 So, yeah, I mean, right now we're talking about economic systems that are reflecting a

00:48:03.060 primacy of consciousness, which is Marxism, or a primacy of existence, which is capitalism.

00:48:08.280 And that's why I wanted to bring it up.

00:48:09.680 Maybe it was a bit convoluted.

00:48:10.800 But the point was, in their mind, things just exist if they want them to.

00:48:15.520 Yeah, that's it.

00:48:16.280 That's true.

00:48:16.680 And so they're like, I can have whatever I want.

00:48:19.260 So my favorite meme is someone, some leftist tweeted, what are you going to do once communism

00:48:24.740 wins?

00:48:25.740 And a person responded, I will, he said something like, teach people to grow vegetables on my

00:48:30.480 farm and do, you know, book readings.

00:48:33.120 And then someone else responded, your farm.

00:48:35.860 Like, they, they, they, but, but it's, it's a great point.

00:48:40.580 It's funny.

00:48:41.120 They think when the economy is completely under control of a centralized authority, they will

00:48:47.500 have things.

00:48:48.480 Yeah.

00:48:49.020 Well, I got, I got news for that guy.

00:48:50.780 You know, his farm is going to be co-opted by the government and he is going to be forced

00:48:54.800 to grow food because somebody's got to do it.

00:49:00.160 In, uh, so I interviewed these people who traveled through North Korea, it was a vice

00:49:04.600 documentary called the, the North Korean motorcycle diaries.

00:49:07.640 I think it was, they explained how if a farm in North Korea has a cow die, they can't touch

00:49:13.820 it.

00:49:14.320 They have to contact the government who sends in military, who will then transport the

00:49:19.620 cow to the central authority to break the cow up into parts to be distributed evenly across

00:49:24.120 the entire country, which makes no sense.

00:49:26.580 So what they do is the police will like secretly help the family because like, if you're a family

00:49:34.000 with a cow, you, and you can eat that cow right now, you need to do it.

00:49:37.580 It's going to spoil.

00:49:38.980 And so they do things where they say, oh no, it's rotted quick.

00:49:41.800 We have to, we have to dispose of it.

00:49:43.400 And then they'll let the family eat it.

00:49:44.920 But then if you get found out, they put you in the gulag.

00:49:47.260 They send you to a work camp.

00:49:49.320 Lovely.

00:49:49.820 You're stealing from the people.

00:49:50.900 Yeah.

00:49:51.680 Yeah.

00:49:52.240 Lovely systems.

00:49:53.080 You've actually talked a lot about the separation of states in economy, right?

00:49:57.820 How do you talk, like I wanted to bring up Hollywood because there's a lot of oversight from the

00:50:02.540 government as far as tax breaks related to projects in Hollywood.

00:50:06.700 Do you see that as something that's gotten worse over time?

00:50:09.420 I was reading something about a month ago where they're looking to add quotas that would,

00:50:15.560 that if they don't make good faith gestures to meet certain quotas as far as demographics by

00:50:21.740 the year 2024, that they'll lose a certain amount of their tax breaks, which they, which

00:50:25.900 were originally bonuses that they were giving these companies to keep them in California

00:50:29.880 when they were all started moving to Georgia and Chicago to do all these productions.

00:50:34.260 Is this one of those things that you're seeing that a lot of, sorry to switch the subject.

00:50:38.480 No, no, a lot of what they're doing that direction.

00:50:42.140 Is that because of these tax breaks?

00:50:44.720 Yeah.

00:50:45.380 Oh yeah.

00:50:45.800 I mean, I, I think I've worked in Los Angeles.

00:50:50.000 I did a job there, uh, a rookie's FBI.

00:50:53.460 And then before that, I want to say it was the closer, which was several years before that.

00:50:58.240 Every other.

00:50:59.000 Keir Sedgwick.

00:50:59.960 Keir Sedgwick.

00:51:00.820 Every, every other, every other job I have is in Canada or some other state.

00:51:05.440 Cause everything goes to Vancouver.

00:51:06.860 Everything goes to Vancouver.

00:51:08.640 Vancouver.

00:51:09.080 I mean, I've watched it grow up from when I, when I first started working there in

00:51:12.800 the early nineties to now, it's just a thriving metropolis.

00:51:16.620 Despite all the regulations, it's, it's still thriving, but in part because all of

00:51:21.300 Hollywood pretty much has moved, moved up there and to Toronto.

00:51:24.860 Yeah.

00:51:25.140 It's interesting.

00:51:25.740 I've noticed so much.

00:51:27.420 Montreal.

00:51:28.120 The X-Files started out in Vancouver and then eventually moved to California once it

00:51:32.000 was big enough.

00:51:32.720 And they had the clout to say, we want to move it down there.

00:51:35.680 And then you didn't have to watch them try to make every city, like every like, uh, woods

00:51:41.220 in Vancouver look like some Midwestern town.

00:51:43.460 Yeah.

00:51:43.980 Yeah.

00:51:44.380 Yeah.

00:51:44.840 Yeah.

00:51:45.860 So many shows, so many shows do that.

00:51:48.400 Yeah.

00:51:48.560 And I was actually in one of the, one of the first, uh, episodes when they moved back down

00:51:52.920 to, um, California.

00:51:54.560 Yeah.

00:51:54.740 Yeah.

00:51:55.340 Do you think that for some of these, you've talked also a lot about like BlackRock pulling

00:51:59.220 your money out of BlackRock.

00:52:00.560 If you want to get as far as investment ESG and stuff like that, do you think that this is

00:52:04.860 also something that you should be applying that same logic to for companies like Disney,

00:52:08.820 which are, do seem to be making things and do base a lot of their projects on this type

00:52:13.820 of investment that you should be speaking with your dollar.

00:52:16.740 And if you see something from them, don't watch it.

00:52:19.280 Yeah.

00:52:19.740 If you, if, if you disagree with the beauty, the beauty of capitalism is that you have total

00:52:24.560 sovereignty and control over your own life.

00:52:26.800 And if you don't like what a, a company is doing, how they produce their product or what

00:52:33.100 it is they stand for, then you just, you vote with your, with, with, by withholding

00:52:37.180 your dollar from them.

00:52:37.880 There's, there's an interesting point though, in the size of these companies where we're

00:52:43.500 at the point we know Disney is doing bad things.

00:52:46.540 The example I would use is the, the thanking the Xinhua security forces who are keeping these

00:52:52.300 Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps.

00:52:54.360 They thanked them in, it was Mulan.

00:52:57.380 Yeah.

00:52:57.900 And so the people who are cognizant of what's happening say, okay, we bet we better boycott

00:53:03.720 this.

00:53:04.040 But 90% of the people just don't know, don't care.

00:53:06.140 And they keep funding it, which empowers this machine to keep doing crooked things.

00:53:11.480 We don't have enough knowledge among the population to resist that.

00:53:15.940 They just lost like 258 million between strange worlds and light year.

00:53:20.440 And they're about to lay off a thousand more people.

00:53:22.520 And I mentioned this in, in like a video, I mentioned this in a video recently.

00:53:25.900 I said like the Disney list lost all this money.

00:53:28.120 Like that's nothing to them.

00:53:29.580 And I'm like, yes, but you can only do that for so long before it's still, and it's, it's

00:53:34.640 much more powerful and much healthier than say a DeSantis, you know, taking political action

00:53:39.220 against a company that, that he, whose policies he doesn't agree with.

00:53:43.880 I think that's very scary.

00:53:45.540 That's what makes DeSantis a scary character to me.

00:53:47.860 But so, so my, I guess my point was, I agree with the vote with your dollars, but I don't

00:53:53.840 think it's effective when you have these big pharmaceutical companies that are untouchable.

00:53:57.520 Granted, fair point, the, the, the laissez-faire guys always want to bring up the government

00:54:01.960 subsidizes them to the point where it doesn't matter what the public does, but there are

00:54:05.920 big companies that prop their profits are so high.

00:54:09.360 You can't move the needle.

00:54:11.300 Yeah, but there are, it's only because they're subsidized.

00:54:13.180 It was because not being subsidized means they are dependent upon the market and have

00:54:17.600 to produce values for that market and have to be receptive to the market.

00:54:20.700 But what I mean is the market doesn't care about things like aspartame or high fructose

00:54:24.720 corn syrup.

00:54:26.040 We, we like.

00:54:26.700 Sure it would.

00:54:27.820 It would.

00:54:28.260 You think it would?

00:54:29.140 Yeah.

00:54:29.460 I think, look, if we didn't have a regulatory state where people just cut themselves off

00:54:34.000 from, they, they, if they cut themselves off from their own safety, they, they put that

00:54:40.300 completely in the hands of the government.

00:54:41.780 So they, they ignore that aspect of, of looking into products.

00:54:46.760 We would have a private regulatory system where people would start organizations that

00:54:51.760 gave you information with respect to companies and products.

00:54:54.380 And you would look into, into things like that on your own.

00:54:58.320 And, and, and you would become a more knowledgeable producer.

00:55:01.000 So what I'm saying is the regulatory state, it is possible now, but for the most part,

00:55:05.820 when you have an apparatus that does the work for you, you're not going to do the work,

00:55:09.200 right?

00:55:09.460 It, it, you know, we all know that the government sucks the air out of the private sector in

00:55:14.180 every respect.

00:55:14.900 It doesn't just kill business, but it also kills your intent to defend and protect your

00:55:19.860 own life.

00:55:20.660 People assume the job's already being done.

00:55:22.420 We don't need another one.

00:55:23.260 Exactly.

00:55:24.240 But, but that's why, that's why it was pardoned, sorry, the interruption, but that's why

00:55:27.820 something like the FAA makes our, our, our skies less safe because, you know, any, any

00:55:35.220 Stop signs.

00:55:36.420 Well, stop signs.

00:55:36.900 Well, well, I'm saying any, any airline without an FDA would have to probably link its safety

00:55:43.900 record to its sailability.

00:55:46.040 And, and the safest airline is the one you'd probably want to fly.

00:55:49.680 It would become an aspect of the marketing.

00:55:51.420 So I read this.

00:55:52.620 I don't know if it's true.

00:55:53.640 So feel free for those listening to, to correct this, but I was reading that stop signs have

00:55:58.020 potentially increased accidents because before people would always stop out of a fear of

00:56:04.860 getting hit.

00:56:05.680 So when cars were first coming about, everybody would slow down at intersections to look and

00:56:09.960 then carry through if it was safe.

00:56:11.360 When they created stop signs to create the forced safety, people, so if you've got a one

00:56:17.400 way stop sign, people will fly through and then someone who blows a stop sign creates an

00:56:21.680 accident.

00:56:22.680 Yeah.

00:56:23.080 As it was always stop humans naturally would, would take that action among themselves.

00:56:28.140 The government action actually made it worse.

00:56:30.900 But what I will say in regards to, um, high fructose courts up another garbage, you know,

00:56:36.700 one of the arguments we often bring up when it comes to capitalism versus regulation or

00:56:40.920 whatever, is that big companies, as I mentioned, will become too big to fail or they'll produce

00:56:45.860 products that are never happened in the market.

00:56:47.440 Well, but I, I, I'm thinking about, and I think the argument only happens in a mixed economy

00:56:51.520 where, where, um, government and economics are linked together at the hip and the, and

00:56:57.960 the, and the government is, is, is creating an atmosphere.

00:57:00.220 I'm talking about like morbid obesity, right?

00:57:02.620 Like America is becoming more and more obese because we have high sugar, high salt foods.

00:57:08.360 Fats are actually really good for you, by the way.

00:57:09.760 But you know what I was, I was going to say is this may sound once again, callous, but if

00:57:15.520 people, I, I, I, I ultimately agree with you in the end.

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00:58:43.300 Did I mention that we care?

00:58:48.480 If there's no regulation or regulation doesn't matter.

00:58:51.200 No state regulation.

00:58:52.340 But none of it matters.

00:58:53.480 If companies mass produce things that kill people, those people will die.

00:58:58.440 They won't have kids and the future will just end up being people who are more fit and don't

00:59:01.780 like high fructose corn syrup, right?

00:59:03.660 So, well, I mean, I think it may be cold, but I think that is, is also a monster of the

00:59:08.720 regulatory state, right?

00:59:09.700 The corn subsidies that make people produce this stuff and make it cheap.

00:59:14.840 I'm pretty sure that's the only reason we have it, actually.

00:59:17.060 Sugar subsidies as well.

00:59:18.840 I'm pretty sure high fructose corn syrup is only possible because of corn subsidy.

00:59:22.360 Yeah.

00:59:22.580 It's actually harder to produce than sugar from beets or cane.

00:59:27.580 There you go.

00:59:28.400 And because the US government's like, make more corn, we make so much of it.

00:59:31.780 We figured out how to make plastics and fuel and sugar syrups.

00:59:36.480 But my point is basically, let people have free will.

00:59:40.780 The people who are prone to gargling sugar to the point of death will die.

00:59:46.860 But they'll have been happy the whole way down.

00:59:49.160 And then the future will end up being people who don't do that just by natural selection.

00:59:53.460 It's cold.

00:59:54.320 And I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I'm saying that's what will happen.

00:59:57.520 Maybe.

00:59:58.340 Maybe not.

00:59:59.000 Maybe once they don't cede their moral authority to some government bureaucrat, they'll stop

01:00:06.180 doing the bad things because they will be entirely responsible for their own lives.

01:00:10.680 Right now, they're not.

01:00:11.740 They're not responsible for looking for-

01:00:13.500 And they want free health care.

01:00:14.660 Yeah.

01:00:14.880 They're not responsible for almost any aspect of their life.

01:00:17.800 And I think 50% of the population now is, in some respect, tied to the government dole.

01:00:23.820 So it's a huge constituency that has to wean itself off of the drug of government.

01:00:32.780 You think abolish the police?

01:00:35.080 Should we abolish the police?

01:00:36.240 Yeah, abolish the police.

01:00:36.900 No.

01:00:37.420 You don't think so?

01:00:38.080 No.

01:00:38.500 Well, I would assume your position wouldn't be in the leftist camp of cops are bad, but

01:00:43.460 more so in the, they should be private, right?

01:00:45.440 No.

01:00:45.980 You don't think so?

01:00:46.840 Well, force is not, force is a public issue.

01:00:49.680 Oh, really?

01:00:50.220 Force is not some, it's not a market.

01:00:54.460 Wherever force is, there's no market, right?

01:00:57.180 Force is always a monopoly.

01:00:58.360 If you break into my house and I contend with you, each of us is going to try to assert

01:01:05.740 our will over the other, and one of us will win.

01:01:08.440 Yeah.

01:01:08.960 And that's not a market.

01:01:10.500 There never is a market.

01:01:11.720 So a market in force organizations is called war.

01:01:14.680 That's, that's what the Soviet Union in America were doing through some of their proxies

01:01:19.180 over the, over the cold war.

01:01:21.000 So no, you can't, you can't market force.

01:01:23.520 You can certainly have private security so long as you're under the umbrella of, you

01:01:28.060 know, an objective system of law and, and you're beholden to that.

01:01:32.740 What, the fire department, private, mostly private.

01:01:35.520 I think it was that that's, that's not force.

01:01:38.200 So yeah, mostly private, probably tied to insurance companies.

01:01:40.700 And if insurance were private and free.

01:01:42.920 Well, so, uh, we actually have expensive volunteer fire departments out here and, uh, they just

01:01:48.760 ask you to donate and I'm a big proponent of giving them as much money as I can.

01:01:52.000 Sure.

01:01:52.620 It's like the, one of the, one of the last remnants of honor we have in this country is

01:01:58.720 people deciding to go and sign up to be a volunteer firefighter with no pay just because

01:02:04.040 they want to make sure everyone is safe.

01:02:06.400 Hey, and there's going to be free riders in a system like that, but that's okay.

01:02:10.000 Um, you, it's okay.

01:02:12.460 There's, there's always going to be people that don't pay.

01:02:14.860 I guess they used to do the emblem thing, right?

01:02:16.960 You'd buy an emblem from the fire department.

01:02:18.640 You'd put it on your house.

01:02:19.600 And if your house ever caught fire, they'd come see the emblem and say, you're paid up.

01:02:22.520 Let's put the fire out.

01:02:23.460 And see, and see then people that that's, which isn't bad, but, uh, you know, the altruists

01:02:27.360 out there in the world would say, oh, so only people who are covered by insurance or

01:02:31.740 have the emblem or pay for it.

01:02:33.340 The only they, yeah, that's correct.

01:02:35.280 They're paying for a service.

01:02:36.300 That's okay.

01:02:37.060 That's just.

01:02:38.000 So there was a story I read.

01:02:40.640 This young kid had a genetic disease.

01:02:42.740 There's a cure for it.

01:02:44.220 It's extremely hard to make, to produce.

01:02:46.120 And it costs about a million dollars in labor to cure this disease.

01:02:50.420 And the leftists demand, they demanded the state government, I think it was Louisiana,

01:02:54.840 pay for the treatment.

01:02:56.220 And Louisiana said, we can't, we cannot allocate to treat all of the people who have this disorder

01:03:03.220 because it would bankrupt us.

01:03:05.400 And so when I try, I try explaining to these leftists, you can't have universal healthcare

01:03:09.320 because sometimes cures don't exist.

01:03:12.060 So if you've got somebody who has a rare disease and there's no cure, they say healthcare is a

01:03:18.180 human right.

01:03:18.700 I say, no, it's not.

01:03:19.760 Go into the woods and then break your leg and tell me what human right you have to have

01:03:25.180 your leg set.

01:03:25.960 Ain't nobody around.

01:03:26.780 You'll get eaten by a bear or something.

01:03:28.120 But I'll tell you this, when you're out there, you're allowed to defend yourself.

01:03:30.800 You're allowed to say whatever you want.

01:03:31.900 You can trade whatever you want, but you can't force someone to treat your broken leg.

01:03:36.640 Now, when it comes to universal healthcare, the example I like to give to the left is,

01:03:41.100 let's say someone's got a disease called Pellegrino syndrome.

01:03:44.980 It's newly discovered and there's no cure.

01:03:48.320 There's no cure.

01:03:48.980 Sounds good to me.

01:03:50.000 What treatment could we offer them?

01:03:52.060 What money could we spend?

01:03:53.840 We don't have it.

01:03:54.760 But then one day, a team of 500 of the world's best scientists who've dedicated 20 years of

01:04:02.140 their lives in their respective fields team up, create a single dose of the cure for this

01:04:09.100 syndrome.

01:04:09.420 And it took 20 years in the making.

01:04:13.660 We can give it to one person who gets that human right.

01:04:16.960 The fact is the treatment doesn't exist.

01:04:20.000 So people can't have it.

01:04:21.640 This idea of universal healthcare is an impossibility because healthcare is a technology and a labor

01:04:27.000 service.

01:04:27.580 So you can't guarantee any of it.

01:04:30.120 Right.

01:04:30.540 Yeah.

01:04:30.980 Nobody else's labor is yours by right.

01:04:33.540 Or technology.

01:04:35.060 Whatever has to be created by an act of human production, thought and action is not anybody

01:04:40.540 else's by right.

01:04:42.540 What about air and water?

01:04:45.040 You think air and water?

01:04:45.680 Water has to be processed too.

01:04:47.880 I mean, you know, the earth has about 1% fresh water and I dare you to go out to a stream,

01:04:54.520 to go out to the Potomac or Shenandoah River.

01:04:57.580 And take a sip from there.

01:04:59.260 Also, don't they, doesn't New York regulate air rights for the height of buildings?

01:05:03.280 Like you're only allowed to build a building so high?

01:05:05.620 I mean, like the breathability.

01:05:07.200 Oh, the actual breathability.

01:05:08.200 Okay.

01:05:08.300 So I mean, I think, I think there's certainly there's, and this would be the responsibility

01:05:12.480 of like legal philosophers to figure this kind of thing out because there, if there are

01:05:17.040 the neighborhood effects of a product are, are, you know, damaging to somebody, then

01:05:21.880 they certainly have a right to, to, to make claims.

01:05:25.480 So yeah, you know, if, if, if somebody's polluting downstream to you or somebody's

01:05:31.120 polluting the air, then it's on, on your property in your time, then you do have a

01:05:35.780 right to see.

01:05:36.340 This is interesting because this is a very common argument that's, that's brought up

01:05:41.080 when it comes to laissez-faire capitalism, libertarianism or objectivism.

01:05:44.560 Um, the, the, I was arguing with, uh, uh, an objectivist who said that the government

01:05:50.420 shouldn't have control of waterways.

01:05:52.100 It should be privately owned.

01:05:53.620 The river should be privately owned, all that stuff.

01:05:55.760 And I said, my question is, how do you determine ownership of the stream?

01:05:59.920 Is it first come first serve?

01:06:01.100 You show up, you put a flag in the ground and now it's yours.

01:06:03.280 And what if someone upstream from you is shitting in the water and now your water's, you know,

01:06:09.420 tainted, you can't drink it.

01:06:10.460 So, you know, what's your, what's your thought?

01:06:11.620 Well, I mean, I imagine it's something like homesteading where you, you do claim a plot

01:06:16.500 of land or property.

01:06:17.460 And then to the extent that you develop, it makes your labor with it.

01:06:20.060 It becomes yours over time.

01:06:21.780 Right.

01:06:22.020 And if somebody is polluting upstream, then you certainly have a right to, um, pursue

01:06:26.800 legal action against them and get them to stop because, you know, things like streams

01:06:32.080 are, are, are property that's sort of moving and in a sense, and it's, um, um, um, what

01:06:38.220 if they have complicated claims to, to things like that?

01:06:40.760 What if they divert the water on their own property?

01:06:43.660 I think even if, especially if you're dependent on that stream for something, I think they would

01:06:47.320 have to get your permission because it's on your property before they diverted the water.

01:06:52.020 And they would have to offer you some kind of compensation.

01:06:54.260 I imagine for whatever you calculated, you would lose by losing that resource.

01:06:59.060 So you, you think there, there, there does need to be a legal mechanism by which to,

01:07:03.060 yes, but it has to be strong property, right?

01:07:05.280 Yeah.

01:07:05.520 And clearly understood property, right?

01:07:07.380 So that, you know, these kinds of conflicts could be sorted out.

01:07:10.280 And I even think this should be in the ocean.

01:07:12.040 I don't think there should be waters where countries can fish as, as much as they want.

01:07:16.700 I think companies should own as parts of the ocean and, and then they would be responsible

01:07:21.600 for that part of it.

01:07:22.900 And I think that would solve a lot of the overfishing issues that we have, because just,

01:07:27.700 just like, uh, you know, the, the logging issue and the lack of forest or the disappearing

01:07:32.360 forest was pretty much solved by privatizing the land and, and making these logging companies

01:07:38.300 responsible for their crop.

01:07:39.680 And you notice that once that started happening and trees started replenishing, the argument

01:07:44.720 from the environmentalists then became old growth forests were the values that we had

01:07:49.620 to preserve because, because suddenly we had more trees now than we did 125 years ago.

01:07:55.160 And where do you, what are you going to do as a rabid environmentalist when you have more

01:07:58.440 forests now than pre-industrial time?

01:08:00.780 That's interesting when they, when they just strip the trees or the fish from the land

01:08:05.260 or the water with no thought, it falls apart.

01:08:09.540 When we say, no, this is your portion where you have fish, the business says, we got to

01:08:14.960 make sure we keep having fish here.

01:08:16.480 Yes.

01:08:17.380 The tragedy of the commons.

01:08:18.460 I mean, if it's, if, if, if, if everybody owns it, then nobody owns it.

01:08:22.740 Nobody takes care of it.

01:08:23.720 Nobody monitors.

01:08:24.540 But if you do, and you're responsible for replenishing that.

01:08:27.000 You know, people say when people use a word today, um, called sustainability, it's absurd.

01:08:32.680 The concept is absurd to me because capitalism is the way in which you have sustainability.

01:08:38.520 The price system keeps resources from going completely extinct, right?

01:08:44.280 If something becomes too expensive to manufacture, you look for a new technology or you look for

01:08:48.500 a new way of mining for it until you can't find it anymore.

01:08:51.040 But the resource itself never goes completely away.

01:08:53.940 And when your company is failing because your idea is garbage, it should fail and it should

01:08:58.660 cease to exist.

01:08:59.840 And government pumps money into these things indefinitely.

01:09:02.280 And then you get a tumor on your system.

01:09:05.020 Well, I mean, zombie corporations are just one example of altruism in action.

01:09:09.140 They need, and when somebody needs, you have a moral prerogative.

01:09:13.540 The big banks should fail.

01:09:15.120 And if they can't function properly, they shouldn't function.

01:09:17.740 Yes.

01:09:18.000 But it's, it's, uh, the way I see it with government is, uh, you get a wound in your,

01:09:25.720 in your society.

01:09:26.340 And so the government decides we're going to put a bandage over that wound, but that doesn't

01:09:30.680 actually solve the problem.

01:09:31.560 It covers it up.

01:09:32.560 Six months later, the wound's festering.

01:09:34.160 So they say, put another bandit on top of it.

01:09:36.380 And they keep stacking these things.

01:09:38.460 And what happens is you get these entitlement programs.

01:09:40.500 You get, uh, uh, I'll bring it to the real world.

01:09:43.220 You create a welfare program saying, okay, if you're homeless, we'll, you know, give

01:09:46.760 you a little bit of money.

01:09:47.700 Well, this creates a reverse incentive.

01:09:50.380 There was a meme I just saw where a guy says he's 22 and living with his parents.

01:09:54.920 They say, get a job or get out.

01:09:57.040 So he looks up online that he finds out online on San Francisco.

01:10:00.560 If you're homeless, they pay you 700 bucks a month just for no reason.

01:10:03.700 So he says, okay, goes to San Francisco, signs up, instantly gets the money.

01:10:07.800 And he says, I get 300 bucks for rent, 300 bucks for food.

01:10:11.700 And then I play world of Warcraft all day.

01:10:13.580 And I'm like, okay, that's actually made the problem worse.

01:10:17.880 Now there's a bigger drain on resources.

01:10:20.140 This person's not being helped.

01:10:22.080 These government programs create obsolete systems that are indefinitely protected.

01:10:27.100 Is that what UBI would do?

01:10:28.820 Was it?

01:10:29.180 Is that what UBI would do, you think?

01:10:30.840 Absolutely.

01:10:31.580 I think UBI is a terrible idea.

01:10:33.440 I don't know.

01:10:33.700 What are your thoughts on universal basic income?

01:10:35.500 I'm not a fan.

01:10:36.660 I'm not a fan of any kind of subsidies like that.

01:10:39.520 I don't agree with subsidizing the poor or subsidizing the rich.

01:10:43.940 Right.

01:10:44.000 But I think that the poor, if they need something, should go to those who have and ask.

01:10:51.020 And then those who have can make the choice on their own how much or how little resources they want to devote to that.

01:11:00.360 Let me shift back to Hollywood.

01:11:03.120 I'm curious, when you read these books and started to shift your views, what was it like in Hollywood?

01:11:10.500 I mean, you mentioned they'll assume you're a Republican, but then give them a minute, they might figure it out.

01:11:15.360 Did you get a backlash where people, or even today, as things are getting more polarized, are people getting mad at you?

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01:12:48.280 Um, no, actually, uh, the, the folks I talked to on the set are pretty open-minded, believe it or not.

01:12:58.720 Wow, that is surprising.

01:13:00.540 Um, and you've also mentioned that people do come to you privately about talking out about these issues and that that's one of the big problems we have right now is that if more people were just willing to come out and talk about these things openly and honestly, they would be, it would be able to create a more conducive environment for people to have these discussions where they could talk about ideas they disagree on.

01:13:21.920 Some things you'll meet in the middle on, some things you won't, but it seems like in Hollywood, at least from one side of the aisle, like you said, you're not a conservative, so it doesn't really fall there, that there is an echo chamber, at least as far as the messaging, especially in the output of the media.

01:13:37.320 One thing that I would say about the misunderstandings of capitalism, I think Hollywood plays a huge role in promoting ideas that are extremely utopian and speaking to need and, you know, because they make great stories.

01:13:49.760 They make great feel good stories that people at the base level can understand because it speaks to the good of human nature, right?

01:13:58.500 It speaks to the, in those stories, they're saying that like, uh, the, the rich guy does the right thing and he helps this guy out even though he gets nothing in return.

01:14:06.000 You'll see stories like that all the time.

01:14:08.160 They certainly don't understand, at least in my opinion, a lot of people who are growing up increasingly through media, they're not reading as much.

01:14:16.900 They're watching more movies, they're watching television, they're seeing these stories and expecting them to translate to the real world and they don't because they don't have the perspective to understand that it's still storytelling.

01:14:28.460 Well, the, the simple explanation is people think that like, uh, gunshots, for instance, in movies, the sound of them and the damage they cause people, or another example is like, uh, the, the good guy will punch a henchman and the henchman just falls to the ground and is, is gone.

01:14:47.420 Never gets up again.

01:14:47.960 Never gets up.

01:14:48.400 It's my favorite part.

01:14:49.100 Or, or, or that you can be knocked out and they'll like hit someone in the back of the head and the person wakes up an hour later.

01:14:55.560 Five minutes later.

01:14:56.000 It's just, none of it's possible.

01:14:57.860 Movies just warp the perception of people, people into thinking these things are real.

01:15:01.800 Yeah.

01:15:02.120 Yeah.

01:15:02.220 I mean, I think I, I read a statistic somewhere that by the time somebody is 18, they've seen businessmen kill like 10,000 people.

01:15:08.640 Um, so certainly Hollywood is, has a very conventional morality, um, which I find interesting in many ways because so many of the, of the creators, the writers, the, the actors are so dynamic and talented and they're, they're so good at what they do, but they're, but their ethics is just so doggone cliche.

01:15:33.720 And they're dreamers.

01:15:34.740 And they're dreamers, right.

01:15:35.940 And, and, and they're, they dream in that platonic sense in a way that's detached, detached from reality.

01:15:41.160 And then they pass that on to other people and you're right.

01:15:44.060 They do make good stories, but it's harder to tell the story that maybe charity isn't a virtue.

01:15:49.740 Okay.

01:15:50.260 I don't think charity is a virtue.

01:15:51.860 I agree.

01:15:52.180 I think it may be sometimes necessary thing that one has to do, but, uh, but I don't define the world in what I would call malevolent universe terms.

01:16:02.400 Like, and that, and only, the only goods I do is combating this malevolent universe.

01:16:07.120 So that charity and weakness and pain and suffering is, is what grounds my ethics and the existence of pain and suffering is what grounds my ethics.

01:16:18.020 No, I think charity, it might be a necessary evil that you have to do.

01:16:21.620 But what's, what's really virtuous, rationality, independence, sovereignty, productivity, uh, integrity, honesty, those, those, those things that ground you in what is and help you to navigate the world.

01:16:34.600 Those are, those are, those are virtues.

01:16:36.080 Those, like the idea, it's one of the funny things that I love the military in the, in the, in the cop show propaganda, which are absolutely propaganda at the highest level, most of the time, because they're portraying stories that eventually come back to the concept of integrity and honesty and justice.

01:16:51.960 But we know that the real world is not that simple, that these are bureaucratic institutions that work at a much, uh, in a much different scale than that, but it makes for great storytelling in Hollywood.

01:17:03.440 But the thing is, I don't think.

01:17:04.800 Well, it's lazy storytelling in a way too, because it's, it's relying on tropes.

01:17:08.420 Yes.

01:17:08.940 You know, I love them.

01:17:10.160 I love boomer television to the highest order, like all of the, uh, police procedurals and dramas.

01:17:16.620 I love it because I do believe that a lot of people still long for a world where they could buy that the FBI was a, not a corrupt institution that's out there to help you and protect the American citizens that believe that the war in Iraq and Afghanistan were good.

01:17:32.680 Like that, that, that were, those were things, those were story ideas that were being pushed for a very long time that I think made, they weren't aspirational, but they told stories that people understood, uh, on a more basic level.

01:17:45.280 And now I just, I, first of all, I feel, I find it more nihilistic now.

01:17:50.360 Wokeness.

01:17:50.860 I was going to ask you one define wokeness as it pertains to Hollywood, because you talk a lot about how the, the idea of wokeness is nihilistic and anti-human.

01:18:01.360 Yeah, well, I mean, wokeness is being awake to power structures and oppressive power structures and to power dynamics in society and trying to reverse those power dynamics by empowering the people who have been at the bottom.

01:18:17.680 First of all, by first being aware, uh, in, in, in what respects they're oppressed and then trying to reverse that.

01:18:26.200 And that's what I think Hollywood is, is attempting to do, but they perceive certain groups to be on the wrong side of the political hierarchy.

01:18:35.180 And they're now trying to elevate them through awareness.

01:18:38.120 And then by giving them narratives that tell their story.

01:18:41.400 Critical consciousness in a lot of ways.

01:18:43.240 Yeah.

01:18:43.540 Yeah.

01:18:43.920 Yeah.

01:18:44.300 I mean, I think, I think in some respects it's, I think it's good.

01:18:48.600 I mean, I like learning about, uh, people and cultures that I was unfamiliar with before.

01:18:54.760 And I like the fact that people who, who didn't get a chance to exhibit their talents because Hollywood is chauvinistic and misogynistic and they are the things that they claim to be fighting against.

01:19:05.300 Um, now get a chance to, because Hollywood's so afraid, uh, of the woke mob, but it's still giving me a chance to see these, these lifestyles and, and, um, these types of people that I wouldn't have seen before.

01:19:17.240 And now that's good.

01:19:18.420 That's good.

01:19:19.500 So one of the things I disagreed a lot with the anti-woke people on back during like the Gamergate stuff 10 years ago, I was like, you know, look, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Marvel's big three, the first big movies they put out.

01:19:34.540 It's three white dudes.

01:19:35.780 I don't care if they're white.

01:19:36.820 I don't care if they're white dudes.

01:19:37.500 I like those movies.

01:19:38.120 I'm a big fan of Marvel.

01:19:39.140 I also have no problem with Shang-Chi having an, uh, like they're doing a movie, which is more Chinese American focused.

01:19:46.160 And that's awesome.

01:19:47.500 And there are a lot of people who are like, oh, they're getting woke because they're doing these, you know, multicultural or whatever stories.

01:19:53.380 And I'm just like, they're trying to make, they're trying to, they made a show that they made money.

01:19:57.900 Uh, one example, I guess, to go back to the last of us, it was, I think Bella Ramsey said it, maybe not, maybe the other young woman.

01:20:04.660 If you don't like the show, don't watch it.

01:20:06.320 Both of them said that.

01:20:07.460 And I'm like, oh yes, absolutely.

01:20:10.680 You don't have to watch it.

01:20:11.560 Like make something.

01:20:12.960 I'm sick and tired of two things.

01:20:16.080 People complaining that something like Disney is doing woke stuff.

01:20:19.340 Like, I agree.

01:20:20.380 I agree.

01:20:20.900 But make stuff.

01:20:22.220 We got a comic book here from, uh, uh, the, um, Van Skyver.

01:20:27.180 Ethan Van Skyver.

01:20:27.740 Yeah, Ethan Van Skyver.

01:20:28.860 Eric T. July is making.

01:20:30.620 Right.

01:20:30.960 They're making their own things.

01:20:32.380 And that's the solution.

01:20:33.540 Like do stuff.

01:20:35.560 And, uh, you know, so that's, that's mostly my, my, my point, right?

01:20:38.900 Like if Hollywood is going to wokeify things, I think it's totally fair to say, look, I don't

01:20:45.440 like that they're doing this character in this way because it ruins the character for this

01:20:48.780 reason.

01:20:49.080 I don't like the hand me down element of, of the wokeness where it's like, we're going

01:20:54.800 to do a black Spider-Man and it's just kind of like, well, why don't you make, I don't

01:20:58.100 like the, I don't like the, the collectivism in, in wokeism, right?

01:21:02.500 I don't like the identification of groups by, by non-essentials, by things that, that don't

01:21:08.720 really matter because there's no choice in the matter.

01:21:13.960 Right.

01:21:14.240 So, so to me, the, the only thing, the thing that makes you human, you're

01:21:18.960 rational faculty and your character, your choices that you make in life, that's what

01:21:22.680 defines you as a human being.

01:21:24.200 That's what you have moral control over.

01:21:26.340 But to say, to claim someone's identity is based on things they have no moral control

01:21:30.440 or no, no, no choice in the matter is ridiculous.

01:21:33.600 And I hate that.

01:21:34.760 But it's, it's also regressive.

01:21:37.100 I know people like to say it's the regressive left.

01:21:39.340 What I mean is if a society begins to understand that individuals are unique snowflakes, that a

01:21:46.100 person, white, black, gay, straight, male, female is going to have a unique perspective

01:21:49.880 and experience.

01:21:50.860 That's progress.

01:21:52.320 And that's why we expanded civil rights.

01:21:54.060 We said, you know what?

01:21:55.720 We were wrong to assume that that Chinese guy was going to come up to us and speak Chinese

01:22:00.280 or Mandarin or whatever.

01:22:01.900 In fact, the guy, the Asian guy walks up to you and then you're expecting it and he goes,

01:22:05.760 what's up, dude?

01:22:06.520 I'm from St. Louis.

01:22:07.400 And you're like, wow, individuals are all totally different.

01:22:09.940 It is regressive to start saying, we're going to lump people based on race.

01:22:15.000 And that's what woke people do.

01:22:16.740 Yes.

01:22:17.300 It is.

01:22:17.640 It's, it's the opposite of progress.

01:22:19.220 Yeah.

01:22:19.380 Identify them by things that are non-essential.

01:22:21.340 That said, I'm going to seemingly contradict myself, but I don't think I am.

01:22:25.800 I'm amazed when I see commercials now, even commercials with say, with say African-Americans

01:22:31.960 who are in a home, a beautiful home, and they're advertising something.

01:22:35.480 You know, work, I'm amazed that, wow, you know what?

01:22:38.280 I, I never saw that.

01:22:40.600 You know, if I saw a suburban home, it was white people.

01:22:43.600 And that does have an effect on the way in which you view yourself.

01:22:48.580 And I think as much as I disdain those kinds of identities, it's also, it's also important

01:22:55.260 for people to see someone like them achieving something.

01:22:58.820 I mean, that's the purpose of art is to, is to, is, is, is, you know, values, you have

01:23:04.020 values and you want to know that they're achievable.

01:23:05.960 And sometimes it's easier to understand that when that person looks like you.

01:23:10.480 I've, I've tried, I've talked to a lot of, uh, more right-leaning people about this.

01:23:13.940 I'm like, imagine your whole life, every billboard you saw, every TV show, every celebrity

01:23:21.360 was black.

01:23:23.680 You never saw your brother, your mother, your sister, or anyone.

01:23:27.360 Unless he was dealing drugs or in a courtroom somewhere.

01:23:30.140 Or even when you have prominent figures, they're singing songs about, about being degenerates.

01:23:36.280 Yeah.

01:23:36.520 I, I, like our generation, like my generation grew up listening to Tupac and Biggie and

01:23:41.740 Bonebugs and Harmony, which were cultures that I couldn't, I couldn't understand.

01:23:45.700 I could, I could listen to it.

01:23:47.500 I could enjoy it as art, but it was not something speaking to my lived experience.

01:23:53.240 So, so, you know, I, I see people complain about stuff where it's like, you know, they're

01:23:58.040 going to do a movie with a black female cop or something.

01:24:01.380 And then people are like, oh, it's woke.

01:24:02.880 They had to have a black woman.

01:24:03.600 And I'm like, I have literally no problem whatsoever with them being like a white FBI,

01:24:08.200 a man who's a white FBI agent.

01:24:09.980 His partner is a black female FBI agent.

01:24:12.340 The issue I take with a lot of this stuff they're doing is they always try, they, they

01:24:15.820 can't just say we're going to have a strong female character, an Asian, a gay, a straight

01:24:20.760 or whatever, they'll be like, we'll do that.

01:24:23.560 And then make a, make a white man who's really stupid and to be mocked.

01:24:26.880 Yeah, no, I, I hate that.

01:24:28.340 Now, Rand was one of the, I think the first people who, who wrote very strong female characters.

01:24:35.920 I mean, if you read Atlas Shrugged, Dagny Taggart is basically the head of a railroad.

01:24:39.680 She runs the railroad.

01:24:40.740 She's an extremely formidable character, but in no respect does she diminish Francisco

01:24:45.220 Danconia or John Galt or any of the other, uh, Hank Reardon.

01:24:49.100 And none of the other characters are diminished by her stature.

01:24:53.260 But nowadays I feel like, yeah, nowadays they're, they're, they're, they're just turning the

01:24:57.440 cliches, you know, they, they, you know, at one time, you know, the black guy had to be

01:25:01.560 the guy being brought into jail or committing a crime.

01:25:04.520 Now the white guy's just a dumb ass.

01:25:06.120 It's a, I was noticing that I've been watching, I started watching Will Trent and there's an

01:25:10.180 actor named Jake McLaughlin, who I, I love Jake.

01:25:12.500 He's a, he's a fantastic.

01:25:14.840 He's a, well, uh, yeah, I guess cause you were on Quantico and he was on Quantico, right?

01:25:19.100 We were both on Quantico together.

01:25:20.700 He's a great actor who does a good, like, uh, cop, good FBI agent, good military.

01:25:28.060 Yeah.

01:25:28.460 He's, he's got that role down.

01:25:30.340 Right.

01:25:30.640 And when they put him in Will Trent now, he's kind of goofy and he might like, like as an

01:25:36.360 actor, he might enjoy it because it gives him the opportunity to stretch his, uh, his

01:25:41.600 acting skills and he's acting differently than he has in past roles, but it does make it

01:25:45.400 look more kind of buffoonish in a way.

01:25:48.480 And in the past, that character wouldn't have been written like that.

01:25:51.140 He would have been either written more stoic or it would have been written with more actual,

01:25:56.360 like he'd have had more personal responsibility and he wouldn't have been somebody who was

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01:26:08.480 Do you remember this?

01:26:09.360 Okay.

01:26:09.600 So there's a TV show I had about four seasons is very well acted show based on the bachelor.

01:26:13.580 I think the executive producer was one of the producers of the bachelor.

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01:26:21.320 But it was primary, the series primarily revolved around two of the producers and some of the

01:26:26.800 terrible things that they had to do to get reactions from people in the real world.

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01:28:01.580 In a very misogynistic world, and all the men are awful.

01:28:08.540 There's not a single good man in the show.

01:28:11.340 Yeah.

01:28:11.620 And they're navigating this horror show of misogyny and having to become very steely,

01:28:17.460 strong, intelligent predators in their own right in order to survive it.

01:28:22.660 Now, I would have loved to have seen a show with very strong female characters like that

01:28:27.360 who can get the job done without terrorizing men in the process.

01:28:33.500 And I think it could have been possible.

01:28:35.800 You know who did it well was Buffy the Vampire Slayer back in the day?

01:28:39.460 The X-Files did it well.

01:28:40.780 Well, the X-Files, in fact, they would be equals.

01:28:42.700 But in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Xander, who is not a slayer and is essentially kind

01:28:48.140 of a goofball, is never talked down to by Buffy or in any way ridiculed because he is

01:28:54.720 not of the same level of competence as her because he is not a slayer.

01:28:58.400 It's not his role.

01:28:59.700 He plays a different role, but he's never treated with outward disrespect.

01:29:04.520 And I would actually argue that Hollywood, more than anything, television has been doing

01:29:08.440 strong female characters for 30 years.

01:29:12.180 Like, 30...

01:29:13.540 Before the film.

01:29:14.540 Way before films.

01:29:16.460 Castle.

01:29:17.760 Stana Caddick's character.

01:29:19.840 She's awesome, too.

01:29:20.920 I've worked on Castle.

01:29:22.080 But they never turn Nathan Fillion.

01:29:24.360 He plays a goofball, but they make a point early on in the show that he can deadshot at

01:29:30.100 a rank.

01:29:31.000 And he's a smart goofball.

01:29:32.160 He may be a goofball, but he's really smart.

01:29:33.840 He's always smart.

01:29:35.240 Yeah.

01:29:35.820 There's one scene that I love so much is in Man of Steel.

01:29:39.340 But before you get that, just remind me of a Nathan Fillion story.

01:29:42.920 Okay.

01:29:43.400 So who's the female Kryptonian in Man of Steel?

01:29:46.140 Do you know her name?

01:29:46.600 Oh, I forget her name.

01:29:47.740 But I like that they have...

01:29:50.480 She's a strong character.

01:29:51.600 On right, she's female.

01:29:52.800 I don't even...

01:29:54.080 Like, you have a woman on screen.

01:29:56.740 She's a villain.

01:29:57.720 She can be a villain.

01:29:58.740 You don't have to make her a hero, whatever.

01:30:00.700 My favorite scene is when Chris Maloney...

01:30:02.700 Maloney, I however you pronounce his name.

01:30:04.240 He's just a military guy.

01:30:05.700 And he's confronted with a Kryptonian, super powered.

01:30:08.840 And he just pulls out a knife.

01:30:09.760 And he's just standing there.

01:30:10.640 And she's...

01:30:11.140 I love that scene.

01:30:12.320 He was weak.

01:30:13.540 He had no chance against her.

01:30:14.880 But he stood strong.

01:30:15.920 And I'm like, you can make a strong female character.

01:30:19.260 And you can make a strong male character who is weaker than her in the same respect.

01:30:23.020 I just thought that was fantastically done.

01:30:24.840 I think that's great.

01:30:25.560 Look, what we need are heroes.

01:30:27.480 We need to know that, you know, we can win even against the odds.

01:30:33.540 And I don't give a crap what color my hero is, what gender my hero is.

01:30:38.440 A hero is a fucking hero.

01:30:40.300 A hero is somebody rises up to the occasion and wins despite being afraid, despite having

01:30:47.540 all the odds against him or her.

01:30:49.420 That's what I want to see.

01:30:50.420 There's a great video on YouTube breaking down Captain America versus Captain Marvel

01:30:54.800 and why Captain America was beloved and why Captain Marvel was divisive.

01:31:00.940 And they explain how Captain America's character is scrawny, weak.

01:31:05.280 His only real worth is his willpower and his passion, his loyalty.

01:31:09.880 He gets selected for this program, has gifted these powers.

01:31:12.320 And he's very humble.

01:31:13.140 He's very honorable, very noble.

01:31:14.980 Captain Marvel's story is she just gets these powers on accident.

01:31:18.000 She's too powerful.

01:31:19.200 And then she like steals a guy's clothes and she just does whatever she wants.

01:31:23.320 Not realizing the Terminator was the bad guy.

01:31:25.780 And when the Terminator did it in Terminator 1, he was the bad guy.

01:31:29.200 Right.

01:31:30.040 Yeah, exactly.

01:31:31.160 It's also because the female power fantasy and the male power fantasy are inherently different

01:31:35.880 in a lot of ways.

01:31:37.740 Yeah, I've read that.

01:31:40.340 And I wonder if some people have said, I read a breakdown of the male versus female power

01:31:44.580 fantasy and why there's two like principal types of movies, the chick flick and the action

01:31:49.600 film.

01:31:49.880 It's because the male power fantasy is risking everything to save those and everyone you care

01:31:55.260 about.

01:31:55.940 And the female power fantasy is being able to do whatever you want without consequence.

01:32:00.280 Wow.

01:32:01.200 So if you look at female rom-coms, it's the woman who's bumbling about or an example is

01:32:06.820 the woman who's got a husband.

01:32:09.180 She goes back home to visit family.

01:32:11.760 And then there's the old high school guy who's charming and she ditches her longtime boyfriend

01:32:15.540 because they got into an argument.

01:32:16.620 And then on a whim for the first time in 20 years, just hooks up with this guy at her

01:32:21.620 house.

01:32:21.820 Like there's no consequences.

01:32:23.720 She can do whatever she wants.

01:32:24.960 Paperbook romance novels from back in the day.

01:32:26.820 Yeah.

01:32:29.040 Yeah.

01:32:29.600 The difference in.

01:32:30.360 Sounds like life.

01:32:31.360 It doesn't sound like a fantasy to me, but.

01:32:34.540 But it's always reflective of what I mean.

01:32:36.920 It's the exaggeration, I suppose.

01:32:38.680 I would also point out that the reason that the race and the gender shouldn't matter is

01:32:43.400 because when it's done right, when the storytelling is not woke, it's a universe, it tends to be

01:32:47.600 a universal ideal, whereas a lot of the stories that people find divisive now is because one,

01:32:53.860 they're putting down another group and two, it's already limiting its target audience because

01:32:58.560 it's speaking to an experience that I can't understand.

01:33:01.240 If it's a story about something that an African-American has struggled with, I can watch it.

01:33:08.060 I can enjoy it, but I can't relate to it the same way a universal story about,

01:33:13.400 a good guy saving somebody from a bad guy.

01:33:16.200 You may not be able to relate to maybe some of the particulars, but the essence of a story

01:33:21.980 like that, to injustice or cruelty or crushing somebody's dignity are things that you would

01:33:28.040 relate to and empathize with.

01:33:29.800 And I believe 20 years ago, those stories were done more deftly and with more care than

01:33:35.940 they are now.

01:33:37.720 Probably had better writers back then.

01:33:39.620 I want to jump to this story and maybe we'll argue a little bit.

01:33:42.320 Alec Baldwin had his charges dropped.

01:33:45.120 Yeah.

01:33:45.320 And I know you've done, you've probably worked with guns a lot on set for a very long time.

01:33:49.820 How, so how, how long have you been, would you say you've had experience with guns on

01:33:54.040 set?

01:33:54.740 Decades?

01:33:55.280 30 years.

01:33:56.020 30 years.

01:33:56.880 You had a great episode in Burn Notice where Jeffrey Donovan gets your gun inside a nightclub

01:34:02.160 and, uh, do you remember that one?

01:34:04.300 I remember being in the nightclub, but I don't remember specifically.

01:34:06.620 Yeah.

01:34:07.240 I love, I love that episode.

01:34:08.980 That was, uh, that was one of my, the first times I'd seen one of your roles was that show.

01:34:13.480 I love that show.

01:34:14.680 Yeah.

01:34:15.000 How many, how many episodes?

01:34:15.680 He's a good actor, man.

01:34:16.480 How many episodes of Burn Notice were you in?

01:34:17.860 He was just one.

01:34:18.600 Just one.

01:34:19.060 Oh, it's such a, it's one of my favorite shows ever.

01:34:21.320 But, uh, so, so Alec Baldwin is on set.

01:34:24.880 He has a gun.

01:34:26.040 He's, I guess he's dry firing it or something like that.

01:34:28.580 And then a live round was placed and it kills a young, kills this, this woman.

01:34:32.360 I'm curious, your thoughts before we get into like this, this story and the argument on what

01:34:37.220 happened.

01:34:37.260 I think everybody on the, along the chain of custody of a firearm is responsible for it.

01:34:43.160 Uh, I, I could see how somebody who's been in the business a long time might trust the

01:34:46.820 armor and the prop person to give him a gun.

01:34:49.080 That's, that's not hot.

01:34:50.720 A cold weapon, uh, especially if they said that, but you have the gun and you're pointing

01:34:57.080 it at somebody, your responsibility.

01:34:59.240 Oh, we agree.

01:34:59.980 Okay.

01:35:00.380 So, so, I mean, every, everybody knows that when you have a, a weapon like that, that's

01:35:06.640 a revolver where you could actually see the rounds inside, you got to crack that cylinder

01:35:12.140 open and check each round.

01:35:13.820 And the way you check each round to make sure it's a dummy round is you shake it.

01:35:17.820 And if it rattles, it is a dummy round.

01:35:19.900 Or you look where the firing pin depressed, uh, in the, in the back of the shell.

01:35:24.500 And if it's depressed, then that means it won't fire as well.

01:35:27.180 And then you clear that with everybody you're going to be pointing the weapon at, then you

01:35:31.660 can load it back up.

01:35:32.400 If they want to see what the rounds look like inside, that's fine.

01:35:34.900 But you have your finger off the trigger and you never cock it.

01:35:38.020 Yep.

01:35:38.600 I mean, that's what I did.

01:35:40.060 All of the opposite.

01:35:40.740 I mean, when you watch, when you watch prop firearms fired, the, the slide never moves.

01:35:47.300 Uh, well, I mean, they, they, you mean one that fires blanks?

01:35:51.180 Yes.

01:35:51.580 Yeah.

01:35:51.780 The slide will move and it'll eject a shell.

01:35:53.540 That's why they, they, uh, they have those types of guns, but it's firing a blank.

01:35:57.820 And they're non-guns too, right?

01:35:59.780 They make non-guns.

01:36:00.760 They make non-guns, which are like a close shot.

01:36:02.820 Right.

01:36:03.000 And, and, and you'll see the slide will rack on a, on a non-gun.

01:36:07.580 There's nothing will be ejected out of the port.

01:36:09.720 They have to do that probably in post and they have, uh, airsoft guns, which they use

01:36:14.200 now, which will have the same mechanics as a regular gun, but it doesn't shoot anything.

01:36:17.780 We've got them.

01:36:18.680 Yeah.

01:36:18.780 The slide goes back and everything you rack it and magazine and all that.

01:36:21.520 I am.

01:36:22.060 I'm actually a constant adder to Wicca, uh, to IMDB.

01:36:26.720 Uh, it's one of my favorite things to do is to add to the trivia section of IMDB.

01:36:29.740 Um, and there's a, an episode of person of interest where Jim Caviezel, um, just basically

01:36:35.680 removes the, the magazine from a, from a gun.

01:36:38.400 And it's very clearly an airsoft gun.

01:36:43.400 So, uh, I'm glad to hear that, uh, that we agree, I think.

01:36:46.820 Uh, but, but do you think Alec Baldwin should have been criminally charged?

01:36:49.820 Yes, but maybe not for what was it?

01:36:52.240 Secondary manslaughter.

01:36:53.300 Yeah.

01:36:54.260 I mean, something less, lesser perhaps, but he was criminally responsible.

01:36:58.820 I think in addition to that, I'm not sure if this is true.

01:37:01.400 So, uh, forgive me if I'm saying something not factual.

01:37:04.660 Uh, he was a producer on the show.

01:37:06.740 Yep.

01:37:06.980 Okay.

01:37:07.200 So that's a truth that makes him even more responsible for the hiring also of the, of

01:37:12.980 the people who handled the firearms poorly.

01:37:15.360 I think it's his role as a producer that makes him more, even more just as culpable, if not

01:37:19.740 more.

01:37:20.220 I think he should have been charged with murder.

01:37:23.120 Murder.

01:37:23.920 First degree.

01:37:24.640 Yeah.

01:37:24.880 They wouldn't know first degree.

01:37:25.980 No.

01:37:26.100 But if you know the details of the story, I think you might disagree.

01:37:29.760 So the context of the story as to why I think there's potentially a grand jury indictment

01:37:34.360 for first degree murder is that Alec Baldwin was feuding with, uh, the staff.

01:37:41.240 He was not friends with this woman.

01:37:42.940 In fact, in an interview, he explained that she was antagonizing him by constantly giving

01:37:47.720 him instruction.

01:37:48.200 And he, he was saying things like she is not the director.

01:37:50.860 She cannot say these things to me.

01:37:52.160 And she's making me blah, blah, blah, do the scene over again.

01:37:54.780 And she's just a cinematographer.

01:37:56.540 Very angry.

01:37:57.860 So here you have a story about, uh, a producer on set where the budget's low, their safety

01:38:01.940 issues.

01:38:02.740 He, the staff members are threatening to walk off, screw up the production.

01:38:06.360 He explained that he doesn't like being away from home and that these actions are causing

01:38:10.440 him distress.

01:38:11.480 This woman is then, as he describes, being antagonistic and making him do things she is

01:38:16.620 not entitled to do.

01:38:17.640 They then had a meeting for some reason to discuss issues on set.

01:38:22.520 Alec Baldwin in with, with there's, there's clear circumstantial evidence of some kind of,

01:38:28.060 uh, conflict between him and this woman then goes and does a scene where he shoots and

01:38:32.900 kills her.

01:38:33.340 He claims his finger wasn't on the trigger camera footage shows that his finger actually

01:38:37.160 wasn't the trigger questions arise as to how the live ammunition got in the gun.

01:38:40.940 Surprise, surprise.

01:38:41.580 Alec Baldwin on his person had two live rounds found after the, after the shooting.

01:38:45.560 I think these facts warrant a, uh, an investigation at the very least into intentional killing of

01:38:51.580 this woman.

01:38:52.460 And the fact that all the charges were dropped is I shouldn't say shocking, but, but wrong.

01:38:58.180 I definitely think that dropping all the charges is wrong.

01:39:01.400 I think he should be held responsible in some way.

01:39:04.060 Uh, even if, if maybe the family of the, of the cinematographer will take him to civil

01:39:09.580 court.

01:39:10.120 And so this is much lower standard of evidence there, a standard of proof.

01:39:15.040 So they might be able to get something out of him for that.

01:39:18.040 But I, I, it's the connecting the dots in this sense doesn't, I mean,

01:39:21.640 make sense to me.

01:39:23.000 Motive, opportunity and possession of live rounds.

01:39:24.800 He may be a dick, you know, uh, and he may have cocked the thing and, you know, imagined in his

01:39:29.900 head, you fucking bitch.

01:39:30.860 He had the bullets on him.

01:39:32.100 He had the bullets.

01:39:33.300 So, so how, I don't know what any of that means or if it's, if it's related at all.

01:39:36.980 How did live bullets get on a movie set?

01:39:38.960 Well, they were shooting them off set.

01:39:40.200 I did a Western, I did a Western called the Cherokee kid and we had armorers on the set

01:39:45.320 and we fired live rounds to practice shooting live rounds.

01:39:49.620 Uh, they wanted us to get the feel of what it felt like to shoot, to shoot that kind of

01:39:54.400 weapon and to do it proficiently.

01:39:55.940 I mean, if you're a guy in a Western, you've been with a firearm that even if you're around

01:40:01.180 firearms, you're not used to because it's a, it's an old cult, you know, with a, it has

01:40:05.660 a whole different field.

01:40:06.640 Yeah.

01:40:06.740 Single action.

01:40:07.300 The, the cylinder doesn't even come out, you flip over a little tab and you spin it

01:40:10.560 manually to, to load the bullets.

01:40:12.200 And then you pop the bullets in one at a time.

01:40:14.320 Well, uh, yeah, it's, um, it's, uh, it's a, it's a weapon you have to familiarize yourself

01:40:19.860 with, but that, that puts extra stress on the armor and the prop person.

01:40:23.760 Usually when a weapon is on the set, they call a meeting.

01:40:26.520 This has happened, this happened since Brandon Lee, right?

01:40:29.100 They call a meeting, everybody come here.

01:40:31.340 And they make everybody sit down.

01:40:32.720 Even if it's just a rehearsal, we have a cold weapon on the set and they make sure the armor

01:40:36.820 makes sure it's open.

01:40:37.820 Now, even when I have a modern weapon, even if it's an airsoft, I lock the slide back.

01:40:42.100 If I have to point it at somebody, I don't have my.

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01:42:12.400 Finger on the trigger.

01:42:13.360 And I locked the slide back.

01:42:14.480 Sorry.

01:42:14.820 I locked the slide back additionally.

01:42:17.000 That's just me because I'm a gun owner and I know how to work around guns.

01:42:22.800 He's a New York guy.

01:42:23.720 He's a New York lefty from Tisch.

01:42:26.300 What does he know about guns?

01:42:27.440 Probably not much.

01:42:28.400 I think we can look at it a few different ways.

01:42:31.460 There is, I believe, motive.

01:42:33.600 There is opportunity.

01:42:36.600 And the question of how the live rounds got into the gun was a big question.

01:42:42.320 And so that's why people were blaming the other people on set, the armor perhaps.

01:42:46.760 They're saying she must have loaded the live rounds.

01:42:49.420 But they found two live rounds on Baldwin's person, which perhaps...

01:42:54.060 He could have had them in his pocket when they were test firing the weapons before.

01:42:58.060 I mean...

01:42:58.300 But he put it in his...

01:42:58.940 It was in his gun belt.

01:43:00.260 So I look at it like certainly perhaps the most reasonable position is some kind of involuntary

01:43:07.220 manslaughter or negligence charge or something.

01:43:10.200 But it seems to me particularly conspiratorial to argue all of these final destination type

01:43:17.760 things happened, which culminated in Alec Baldwin accidentally shooting this woman versus a

01:43:22.280 woman he was mad at, he shot.

01:43:24.660 Yeah.

01:43:25.220 And he had the bullets and he had the gun.

01:43:26.460 I don't know.

01:43:26.680 But I would be interested in knowing what would happen to Alec if he were a Republican.

01:43:30.520 Yeah, right?

01:43:31.540 You know that they did...

01:43:32.820 He'd be in prison.

01:43:32.880 They did an episode of a show called iZombie, where they're on the set of a zombie TV show.

01:43:37.900 Is that guy a libertarian who does that?

01:43:40.320 Rob Thomas.

01:43:42.400 Oh, Rob Thomas did.

01:43:43.880 Well, he was from Supernatural, wasn't he?

01:43:46.300 Rob Thomas.

01:43:47.020 So he's not libertarian.

01:43:47.860 Matchbox 21.

01:43:48.640 Okay.

01:43:49.260 So in this episode, a person gets shot on the set of a TV show about zombies and they

01:43:55.820 find out that it's because the armorer was mad at the one guy.

01:43:59.460 No.

01:43:59.840 When was this episode?

01:44:01.180 It was like 2018.

01:44:02.880 Rose MacGyver and Malcolm Goodwin.

01:44:04.660 Yeah.

01:44:04.900 It was like, after that happened, I was like, whoa.

01:44:09.080 Maybe Alec Baldwin and his buddy watched it and said, this is how we do it.

01:44:13.020 Wow.

01:44:13.800 But also, just think about that.

01:44:15.740 If it's true, if these charges being dropped, congratulations.

01:44:20.460 That's how you murder somebody now.

01:44:22.680 Well, I think if you're on the left, you could probably get away with it.

01:44:25.680 Yeah.

01:44:26.040 It's funny.

01:44:26.520 Trump said, you know, famously, he can go on Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody.

01:44:29.340 Yeah.

01:44:29.480 But the reality is more like Hillary Clinton would get away with it.

01:44:31.760 Yeah.

01:44:31.900 Hillary Clinton could.

01:44:32.640 But he could.

01:44:33.720 At least he might be able to, you know, wheedle his way out of it somehow, but they would

01:44:38.300 certainly not make it easy.

01:44:39.400 They're going to put him in jail for filing his legal paperwork wrong.

01:44:42.640 You know what I mean?

01:44:43.040 Yeah, they will.

01:44:43.460 There was a, like Hillary Clinton got involved in the DeSantis thing and posted a meme.

01:44:47.420 He's like, I'm on Team Disney.

01:44:49.160 And it's like a picture of her and Bill with Mickey.

01:44:51.840 And somebody's like, and then Mickey was found with two shots to the back of the head two days

01:44:55.440 later.

01:44:55.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:44:58.100 Yeah.

01:44:58.320 I don't know.

01:44:59.080 I can't say I'm surprised about the Alec Baldwin thing, but I just, I'm surprised that the

01:45:04.020 response I got from talking about it from so many people who worked in film was that

01:45:08.880 I was wrong.

01:45:09.620 I don't know what I'm talking about and that they did everything right.

01:45:12.840 And there's a disconnect between me as a gun owner and what I know you must do at all

01:45:18.820 times with guns.

01:45:19.800 And this idea among these actors that they have special privileges that exempt them from

01:45:24.020 gun safety because they're on a movie set.

01:45:26.020 Yeah.

01:45:26.460 They might think they have special privileges in general that exempt them from lots of

01:45:29.760 things.

01:45:30.240 But Alec Baldwin, he's getting released.

01:45:32.640 I mean, look, if you were doing anything other, if you were at a gun range and you had a gun

01:45:39.200 and was told had blanks in it and you shot and killed somebody, you're going to jail.

01:45:42.580 You're going to get some kind of negligence charge or something at the very least, but

01:45:45.940 put a camera on it.

01:45:47.200 And now all of a sudden he's exempt.

01:45:48.940 These people do exempt themselves.

01:45:50.380 It's like porn.

01:45:51.140 It's, it's, it's prostitution unless you film it.

01:45:53.180 And then, that's right.

01:45:53.660 And then suddenly it's a movie.

01:45:55.040 I, people were telling me, so, you know, Alec Baldwin said he's not allowed to check the

01:45:59.840 weapon when he's handed the gun by the armor.

01:46:02.260 He can't check it because if you were to, if you were to open it, they'd say, what did

01:46:06.040 you just do to the weapon?

01:46:06.780 We have to check it again because you may have loaded it.

01:46:08.880 That's a lie.

01:46:09.120 So he's lying.

01:46:10.100 He lied about not, about not having his finger on the trigger.

01:46:13.100 He lied about the fact that you can't check a weapon after it's been given to you.

01:46:16.560 That's also not true.

01:46:18.200 You have to.

01:46:18.980 They can also, they can also start pushing gun control now because these guns just go off

01:46:22.200 whenever they want.

01:46:23.060 It's like, I didn't even have my finger on the trigger.

01:46:24.840 I can't imagine this, that someone hands you, someone walks up to you and says, here's a gun,

01:46:29.180 point at that person and pull the trigger.

01:46:30.760 And you'd be like, you got a boss.

01:46:32.300 Whoa.

01:46:32.740 I can't believe it was loaded.

01:46:34.540 A single action takes a lot of work to pull that trigger.

01:46:36.820 So it's like, it's, it's not accidental.

01:46:39.240 It's not like a hair pit.

01:46:40.700 You know, it's not like you've racked something in a customized, you've racked around in a customized

01:46:45.520 like 9-11 and you touch the trigger and it goes off.

01:46:49.760 This is something that requires quite a bit of.

01:46:52.540 Yeah.

01:46:53.020 It's single action.

01:46:54.100 You have to, you have to cock the hammer back.

01:46:55.600 Then you have to release it.

01:46:56.980 Yeah.

01:46:57.140 I know that the rock said that for his production company from now on, they're using nothing

01:47:01.060 but rubber guns in response to that, to what happened.

01:47:04.500 That's kind of silly though.

01:47:05.700 I know, I know, right?

01:47:06.720 Like, uh, it just doesn't look right.

01:47:08.840 And then they have to do a bunch of work in post.

01:47:10.640 Yeah.

01:47:11.240 Yeah.

01:47:11.560 I mean, rubber guns are solid.

01:47:13.120 I mean, they might have some that, that have the barrel board out, but yeah.

01:47:17.060 And then you have to, you have to make the pretend that you're doing that.

01:47:20.440 You have to actually move your hand.

01:47:21.740 Yeah.

01:47:21.880 Yeah.

01:47:22.280 You sort of have to do that even with blanks.

01:47:24.740 If they put quarter loads in there, it doesn't have any kick at all.

01:47:26.900 So you have to actually, and then you actually notice the actors who've been doing it for

01:47:29.920 a long time.

01:47:30.340 Cause they're better at faking it than, than, or people or guys who fire guns on a regular

01:47:35.300 basis.

01:47:35.920 Yeah.

01:47:37.100 It's, I mean, my favorite thing is to go through and look at all the times they don't

01:47:39.580 do, they don't have good trigger discipline.

01:47:41.560 Oh yeah.

01:47:42.080 Like that's, that's my favorite.

01:47:43.180 Like that finger on the trigger.

01:47:44.700 Yeah.

01:47:45.260 I was like, I hate when they have it off the whole time, you know, they're going through,

01:47:48.600 they're clearing a house, but their finger is off the trigger the whole time.

01:47:51.600 Or they say silencer rather than suppressor.

01:47:54.680 Yeah.

01:47:55.160 Yeah.

01:47:55.520 I noticed that too.

01:47:56.340 There's a lot of movies, movie scenes where they'll be pointing the gun at the bad guy

01:48:00.320 who's armed and their fingers off the trigger.

01:48:02.020 I'm like, that's when you get prepared to shoot the person who you're trying to stop

01:48:05.340 because they're evil.

01:48:05.940 Exactly when your fingers should be on the trigger.

01:48:07.760 Yeah.

01:48:08.760 That's Hollywood for you.

01:48:09.980 Or they're, they're ball in a cup in the bottom and they're not holding it properly.

01:48:13.260 Oh man.

01:48:14.120 Scary stories.

01:48:15.000 I've, I've, I'm sure everybody who's worked with guns has seen someone put their hand over

01:48:19.040 the slide or whatever.

01:48:19.960 Sure.

01:48:20.720 Ooh, it's a good way to have your whole thumb ripped off.

01:48:23.500 Thumb taken off.

01:48:24.400 Yeah.

01:48:24.720 Well, my Nathan Fillion story real fast.

01:48:27.040 First of all, I love Nathan Fillion.

01:48:28.380 He's great.

01:48:28.800 He's a great idea.

01:48:29.440 Have you seen Slither?

01:48:30.620 Yes.

01:48:31.160 One of my favorite horror comedy movies of all time.

01:48:34.520 And Firefly.

01:48:35.280 Everyone loves Firefly.

01:48:35.720 And Firefly is great.

01:48:36.700 Everyone loves Firefly.

01:48:37.540 You know, I.

01:48:38.040 For video game fans, he was in Destiny.

01:48:40.460 Oh yeah.

01:48:41.040 He played.

01:48:41.760 He's a good voice actor too.

01:48:43.080 I forgot the, I can't remember.

01:48:44.960 Clyde, Cade, Cade Six, his name was.

01:48:47.840 Oh cool.

01:48:48.100 They killed him off though.

01:48:48.620 So what's the story?

01:48:49.020 So, so I did an episode of Castle and it was a cool episode where they're, they were playing

01:48:53.780 in two different times.

01:48:54.980 Right.

01:48:55.300 So we got both the old time character.

01:48:57.460 I played the old time character and the new time character.

01:48:59.080 The old time character, we were doing it like as a forties noir film.

01:49:03.300 So we were talking in a very specific way.

01:49:05.320 Right.

01:49:05.800 And I'm very different from the modern guys, but as the modern guy, I'm sitting there being

01:49:10.440 interrogated by him and we're doing a few shot, you know, a few, few angles and stuff.

01:49:15.960 And after a while, you know, we're sitting there in between shots and he looks at me,

01:49:19.420 he goes, so did you do it?

01:49:21.060 And I say, what did, did you do it?

01:49:25.400 Did you, you know, I'm like, didn't you read the script?

01:49:29.880 He said, no.

01:49:33.960 And I'm like, I'll tell you what, after this take, you tell me if I did or not.

01:49:40.440 And he's like, okay, cool.

01:49:41.760 So we did the take.

01:49:43.780 He's just so cool.

01:49:44.900 I think he just, you know, when you're a lead in a show, you don't, you don't have a lot

01:49:48.080 of time to read everything.

01:49:49.620 And so you might have to just read the scenes on the day.

01:49:52.820 But so, so free and fun.

01:49:55.240 And, and you can see that in his work.

01:49:57.320 It translates in, in the screen.

01:49:59.020 That seems really funny too.

01:50:00.460 Cause they're like, you look just like him.

01:50:01.920 You're like, it's genetics.

01:50:03.500 Like, cause you look just like your, it was like supposed to like your grandfather or something

01:50:07.360 like that.

01:50:07.880 Yeah.

01:50:08.340 I actually really liked that show through most of the, those seasons, because that is an

01:50:12.720 example of a female character that is very, very strong.

01:50:16.120 But, uh, one of the ways that they managed to do is cause the problem people have is

01:50:19.540 the idea of Mary Sue's, right?

01:50:20.760 Is they don't like the idea of a character without flaws, but a lot of these characters,

01:50:23.700 it's more like they're, they're great in their professional life, but they're bad in their

01:50:26.540 personal life.

01:50:27.240 Yeah.

01:50:27.640 Right.

01:50:27.920 So both characters in that have unique flaws.

01:50:31.000 Therefore, everything feels more human.

01:50:33.180 Yeah.

01:50:33.620 Yeah.

01:50:34.140 I've never really watched the show, but I love him as an actor and she was awesome too,

01:50:37.680 to work with.

01:50:38.580 What did you, uh, did you work with her on something else or just that?

01:50:40.720 No, just that.

01:50:41.700 She was really cool.

01:50:42.960 Do you watch every show you do?

01:50:44.900 No.

01:50:45.060 Like I, I figured honestly, dude, do you, I don't watch, dude, I don't watch anything.

01:50:50.500 Right.

01:50:50.920 Even when I'm editing our show, I just like, just if I want to steal a scene for my reel,

01:50:55.460 cause we, we have to have reels, you know, that we show producers and stuff.

01:50:58.540 That's, that's an interesting thing too.

01:50:59.880 People don't, don't realize a lot of actors probably do not watch the shows or movies they're

01:51:04.080 in.

01:51:04.380 Yeah.

01:51:04.980 I try to watch things in playback.

01:51:06.500 I learned from Jeff Bridges.

01:51:07.820 I used to be afraid of watching playback, what they call playback.

01:51:10.240 So you do a scene and then you can ask the video department cause they're videotaping

01:51:14.040 it.

01:51:14.720 If you can see playback and you can judge for yourself, whether you like what you did or

01:51:18.140 not.

01:51:18.380 And then maybe ask for another take if you don't like it.

01:51:21.200 Uh, a lot of actors hate watching themselves like that, but I love it.

01:51:24.460 And that's, if I've, if I get to see a lot of playback, I don't have to watch the episode

01:51:27.820 cause I'll, I don't like watching clips from our show.

01:51:29.760 I don't watch anything.

01:51:31.100 Like I'm, I, cause I have to edit our segments and I'm just like, oh, my voice, it's horrible.

01:51:36.000 Just don't like, I have to like get through it as quickly as possible.

01:51:38.560 Luckily, because of the way.

01:51:39.700 This is the, this is the crazy thing too, that I think a lot of people don't understand.

01:51:42.960 Uh, the actors don't even know what the story is sometimes.

01:51:47.640 All the time.

01:51:48.940 Like all the time.

01:51:49.560 Well, there you go.

01:51:50.060 Yeah.

01:51:50.180 Like if you're doing a, if you're doing a 22 or 23 episode show, a lot of times they're

01:51:56.680 figuring out the character arcs in the writing room and you don't necessarily

01:51:59.600 know where you're going.

01:52:00.700 And sometimes you'll look back and go, holy fuck.

01:52:03.180 I wish I knew, you know, I wish I knew that then when I was acting it, but somehow it all

01:52:08.820 gets worked out in the wash.

01:52:09.900 I actually wanted to talk to you about that because there was a, I do believe there's

01:52:13.240 a fundamental difference now between when Hollywood was doing 22 to 23 episode seasons and now

01:52:19.960 shows getting sold to streaming services.

01:52:22.200 It fundamentally changes the approach to storytelling.

01:52:25.600 I think in like a great deal.

01:52:27.920 One thing that I've noticed is that when a show was 22 episodes and you have like a

01:52:32.260 mid season finale and you're writing as you go, characters can become more prominent

01:52:37.480 as audience response comes in and characters that do well end up, you know, like talent,

01:52:43.780 you know, cream rise.

01:52:44.740 Well, look real quick, an example.

01:52:46.340 Uh, I don't know if this is true, but the, the, the story goes that the janitor in scrubs

01:52:50.100 was supposed to have like a single bit where he made fun of JD, but the audience reaction

01:52:54.740 was so positive, they kept bringing him back.

01:52:56.940 Walton Goggins was supposed to die at the beginning of justified and they ended up and

01:53:00.680 they made it in a series regular because they liked him so much.

01:53:03.120 Wow.

01:53:03.420 So like, but now with streaming services, they just get what they get.

01:53:06.800 They make it and there is no audience feedback.

01:53:09.640 So a lot of times you don't get the growth in storytelling because it's just done start

01:53:14.720 to finish from one start of the season to the end because they film it all at once.

01:53:18.520 That may be true.

01:53:19.180 I mean, I don't know if that's true, but the good news about having these compact episodes

01:53:23.300 like six, 10, 12 episodes, uh, is that you have a great continuity of story.

01:53:28.680 The writing is better.

01:53:29.660 It's more seamless.

01:53:30.420 There's no plot holes like there, there can be.

01:53:33.240 The arcs are better.

01:53:34.400 And oftentimes they have a greater continuity of directors.

01:53:37.100 So sometimes a director will be the primary director through most of the season, as opposed

01:53:42.140 to, you know, you're getting a direct different director each episode, which can sometimes

01:53:46.040 give it a schizophrenic style.

01:53:49.360 Do you enjoy this working streaming stuff now more than the network television stuff?

01:53:53.680 Uh, I like them both because they pay money.

01:53:57.160 No, for the same reason, because they pay my bills.

01:53:59.500 Have you ever been a circumstance where they made you film a scene in several different

01:54:02.600 ways so that you could, no one could leak the outcome or something like that?

01:54:05.260 No, no, not yet.

01:54:06.440 But I, we, I, I did have a circumstance in Lost where one of the extras leaked information

01:54:11.640 about what was happening on the set and potential plot information.

01:54:14.900 And they shut that guy the fuck down.

01:54:16.760 Whoa.

01:54:17.240 I don't want to say that it was a Hillary Clinton thing where the guy was found somewhere

01:54:20.460 on two bullet holes in his head, but, um, well, they did that with, um, they did, they

01:54:26.000 did that with the scream movies early on because who the killer is became really important to

01:54:29.780 the, to the story.

01:54:30.620 So they would film multiple endings with different people.

01:54:33.680 Oh, and I, when I auditioned for Lost, they audition a different scene with a different

01:54:37.680 character name in case those sides get out, get leaked to people.

01:54:40.640 So I didn't even know what character I had actually gotten when I went to the island.

01:54:46.340 Wow.

01:54:46.680 So I was like, I literally landed and went to, to go for a wardrobe fitting and Michael

01:54:52.560 Emerson came up to me.

01:54:53.520 He's like, Hey, so you're our Jacob.

01:54:56.060 It's like, Oh fuck.

01:54:57.020 I'm the guy.

01:54:58.580 I'm the guy, the keeper of the island.

01:55:00.160 Holy crap.

01:55:01.000 Michael Emerson's great too.

01:55:02.340 He is great.

01:55:02.900 Yeah.

01:55:03.040 Yeah.

01:55:03.520 He was on like on person, but you did person of interest with Jim Caviezel.

01:55:07.200 And that was one of my favorite episodes because that's the episode where they, the husband

01:55:10.720 and the wife take out the hit on each other.

01:55:12.260 Yeah.

01:55:13.300 And I love Jim Caviezel.

01:55:14.580 He's such a cool dude.

01:55:15.740 Yeah.

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01:56:44.240 The earth guy.

01:56:46.000 He, um, there's a really interesting story about him where he had a, because he's very

01:56:51.300 conservative, uh, religious conservative, right?

01:56:53.600 And he told this story about how, um, he had a friend who was pro-choice who basically,

01:56:59.980 or like he, he, um, a friend of his said he would, uh, change to pro-life like him if

01:57:05.480 he adopted kids from, from China and he adopted kids from China.

01:57:09.700 And the guy's like, I'm not changing my opinion.

01:57:11.500 Wow.

01:57:12.060 That's brutal.

01:57:13.340 Yeah.

01:57:13.780 But they, yeah, it's like, but it doesn't matter because they love their kids.

01:57:16.280 So, yeah, I mean, you know, don't do things for, for political gain, do things because

01:57:20.120 it's a good, it's the right thing to do.

01:57:21.220 And he's, and he's got a movie coming out.

01:57:23.200 Was it Sound of, Sound of Freedom, which was, it's about human trafficking, which has been

01:57:27.520 in production hell and trying to find a distributor for years because a lot of people

01:57:31.440 don't think that Hollywood likes stories about human trafficking all that much.

01:57:36.000 Well, Netflix seems to like shows like Big Mouth and Cuties.

01:57:40.080 Yeah.

01:57:40.620 Well, that's, I mean, in general, like we, we talk a lot about like Hollywood degeneracy

01:57:45.120 as far as like the types of stories that are getting made now, whether it's euphoria, things

01:57:49.600 like that, which just aren't my cup of tea, but I understand that different people like

01:57:53.320 different things, but not my, not my thing.

01:57:56.720 I feel like one of the, one of the problems, this is, this is outside of Hollywood too.

01:58:00.860 It's just society in general is that we're, uh, it's like the rat utopia experiment.

01:58:05.920 Are you familiar with the rat utopia?

01:58:07.580 No.

01:58:07.860 Dude gives a bunch of rats unlimited food and water, but finite space.

01:58:12.120 And then just sees what happens.

01:58:13.060 And the rats basically lose their minds.

01:58:15.200 They start acting strange, strangely, a bunch of rats become gay.

01:58:19.860 Some only just groom themselves.

01:58:22.060 They call them the beautiful ones.

01:58:23.820 And when there was no responsibility, when they were given everything they needed, there

01:58:29.140 was a, a, a functional decay of the, of the ability to survive that existed within the

01:58:33.980 rats.

01:58:34.240 And I think what you end up seeing here, you know, with us, the culture or whatever,

01:58:39.400 things feel good.

01:58:40.560 Why, why, why pursue things that feel bad?

01:58:42.820 But the reality is things you need the bad and the good, you need the balance and we've,

01:58:46.640 we're losing the balance.

01:58:47.600 So without light, there's no dark, without pain, there is no, you know, joy or whatever.

01:58:52.100 Hollywood is just targeting the positive as much as possible over and over and over again.

01:58:57.320 And so that means it's going to pursue social things that can, it's not just Hollywood.

01:59:02.260 It's, it's big tech.

01:59:03.240 It's the media.

01:59:04.380 This is why the right tends to get banned and the left tends to get overly promoted because

01:59:09.460 the left takes that, um, uh, uh, entitled approach to things where everyone should feel

01:59:14.300 good and be given everything they want all the time.

01:59:16.120 If someone is hungry, they should be fed.

01:59:18.360 And then the right takes a more realistic approach of sometimes there's no food and

01:59:22.280 sometimes there's no medicine.

01:59:23.680 Well, you got to ban those things.

01:59:24.760 Those are, those are, those are, those are sad things.

01:59:26.980 Only promote the things that are, everyone feels good all the time.

01:59:30.100 And that leads us down this path of, I guess, moral corruption or social decay or something.

01:59:37.380 Well, I don't, I don't, I don't know that they focus on the happy, but they certainly

01:59:41.940 focus on the altruistic.

01:59:44.260 That's what I mean to say.

01:59:45.480 And the, and the, and the, and the right, this is where the moral inconsistency comes

01:59:49.080 in.

01:59:49.400 The left is 100% altruistic.

01:59:52.080 If you need, you have moral priority.

01:59:54.100 If you don't need, you're expendable and you're only more valuable to the extent that

01:59:59.060 you satisfy the need.

02:00:00.560 The right, the right says you need to hustle in a little selfishness in order to live.

02:00:04.760 But not, not just that.

02:00:05.740 What I mean to say is if someone is doing something like we're, we're seeing this expansion

02:00:12.020 with the, um, like child sex change surgery and things like that.

02:00:16.340 Yeah.

02:00:17.100 If the child says they're a dragon, they're a dragon.

02:00:19.520 Don't be mean to them.

02:00:20.640 Affirm what they want.

02:00:21.220 Yeah, that primacy of consciousness.

02:00:22.520 Yeah.

02:00:22.680 You don't want to cause any discomfort.

02:00:25.120 Exactly.

02:00:25.520 You don't want to make them feel stressed.

02:00:28.100 It's the primacy of emotions over reason, right?

02:00:30.720 It's, it all goes down that, that binary road.

02:00:34.360 And it's, and it's destructive.

02:00:35.620 It's very destructive.

02:00:36.840 That's, that's, that's what I mean to say.

02:00:38.140 Because people take, people take their emotions as primaries and your emotions aren't primaries.

02:00:42.260 They're based on values that you've, you've evaluated something to be good or bad based

02:00:46.940 on an accumulation of, you know, thinking or not thinking about it.

02:00:51.020 And whether or not that emotion reflects reality is something you have to determine.

02:00:56.780 You can't just take your emotion as a, as a, uh, as a given and as, as a, um, a metric

02:01:06.100 for truth.

02:01:07.080 You know, you know, it's interesting.

02:01:08.140 I think church probably used to be the primary mode of influence for society.

02:01:12.600 It's where people would gather once a week and then share ideas.

02:01:15.960 And then with the expansion of mass media, radio, et cetera, the, uh, primary driver of

02:01:21.040 cultural influence and culture itself left moral structures and entered entertainment

02:01:26.420 structures.

02:01:27.440 I wonder if that's going to change.

02:01:29.560 Do you, like, what direction?

02:01:31.260 I don't know.

02:01:31.780 I don't know.

02:01:32.080 It's, it's, it's still very much so that, um, Hollywood is a primary driver of influence.

02:01:37.000 It's mass media is, I think that may be the case, but I'm wondering if we'll see a shift.

02:01:42.280 I think, I think entertainment has always sort of been the delivery system for ethics, you know,

02:01:49.620 narratives have been older than the church even for, for, for teaching and for moral

02:01:55.620 platforms.

02:01:56.140 So, uh, you know, even if it's not the church, it could be the theater and you'd, you'd learn,

02:02:01.220 you'd learn probably the same values watching, uh, uh, all my sons, Arthur Miller play or the

02:02:07.420 crucible as going to church.

02:02:09.000 This, this, this, this is a point that I brought up a couple of weeks ago, you know, people on the

02:02:13.700 right anti-woke people, whatever you don't want to describe them as they like to complain about

02:02:17.640 woke movies and woke shows, but I don't see them celebrating the inverse.

02:02:21.740 I don't see them coming up being like, this is the movie.

02:02:24.160 This is the movie.

02:02:25.220 Captain America, for instance, every conservative in this country should have been cheering for it,

02:02:31.660 buying multiple tickets.

02:02:33.020 It's a story about a young man who wants to sacrifice for his country so much so that he tries

02:02:37.340 to lie his way into the military, then becomes Captain America who fights Nazis.

02:02:43.920 I don't, I'm just like, you can complain about woke movies all day.

02:02:47.860 Wasn't as much of a cultural issue in Captain America came out in 2011.

02:02:51.700 We weren't quite having the, the same level of culture war that we're having now when the

02:02:56.380 original Captain America came out.

02:02:57.880 No, I get it.

02:02:58.620 I'm just saying there needs to be a reminder of, Hey, let's, that was pretty over the top

02:03:04.060 into the, in the direction of conservatives.

02:03:05.660 That's why I love, uh, my, my Twitter is literally just me talking about awesome stuff

02:03:10.280 for movies and television that I like because, or like I post scenes from things that I enjoy

02:03:15.660 because it is like I've, because most of my job requires a lot of, uh, it is complaining

02:03:20.600 or it is at least in the, like analyzing what I'm seeing happening in the industry.

02:03:24.720 And at the end of the day, that's draining to me.

02:03:26.940 Like that's, it's important.

02:03:28.440 I do think it's important to talk about it.

02:03:30.400 Most of the time it's less about the people and becomes more about the ideas behind these

02:03:35.040 discussions.

02:03:35.520 We've been talking about Jonathan Majors, uh, and what's going on with him losing a lot

02:03:40.040 of work right now because of, without even being convicted.

02:03:42.960 That's crazy.

02:03:43.560 Of a, of a crime.

02:03:44.680 Wait, I'm, I'm clueless.

02:03:45.720 It's clueless.

02:03:46.480 Uh, Jonathan Majors was in Creed three.

02:03:48.600 Do you know who Jonathan Majors is?

02:03:49.720 Yeah.

02:03:50.140 He's in Creed three.

02:03:51.340 He's in, uh, Ant-Man.

02:03:52.640 Ant-Man.

02:03:53.140 Oh, he's a new Marvel batting.

02:03:54.680 He's Kang in the, in the Marvel cinematic universe.

02:03:56.860 He's a star on the rise.

02:03:58.880 And he had an incident recently where he and a girlfriend had an altercation in a taxi

02:04:03.800 cab.

02:04:04.720 Uh, and it's a whole story that basically boils down to toxic relationship.

02:04:09.460 He ends up getting arrested and in the time span of three weeks has lost almost every

02:04:15.440 role he's been in except for the Marvel role.

02:04:17.300 He lost an advertisement from the, the U S army, which he was doing a bunch of ad campaigns

02:04:22.060 for.

02:04:22.420 He was associated with the Texas Rangers.

02:04:24.900 They dropped him and all of this stuff is going on.

02:04:27.220 And I'm like, there's scumbags in Hollywood.

02:04:29.800 All the, you know, there've always been bad people in these industries that don't seem to

02:04:34.660 suffer the same consequences and especially not that fast.

02:04:37.360 I have my own opinions on whether I think he's guilty or not.

02:04:40.180 It doesn't matter because I wasn't there.

02:04:42.160 Would he hit her?

02:04:42.740 And like, like apparently she reached for his phone and like, he got scratched.

02:04:48.300 There was no pictures of the scratches or anything, but she, when the, when the cops came the next

02:04:52.200 day, like he called the cops because she passed out drunk.

02:04:56.200 And then when they got there, basically what they're saying now is that she, they pressured

02:05:01.800 her to file a complaint.

02:05:04.140 And that's all hearsay.

02:05:06.280 His lawyers are saying that, that they coached her.

02:05:09.040 I can't verify whether that's true or not.

02:05:11.280 It's not really the point.

02:05:12.480 The point is that he hasn't been convicted of a crime yet.

02:05:15.180 And there's an insane amount of backlash for something that in the end of the day is

02:05:21.040 a personal problem.

02:05:22.720 That's, but I can't figure out why the, the New York district attorney is actually going

02:05:28.280 after him so hard.

02:05:29.240 Now, two more women apparently have come forward.

02:05:31.520 There are no names given for that, uh, saying he's guilty, but I couldn't figure out how something

02:05:36.800 like this happens where he's been dropped by all these companies that fast when you

02:05:40.880 see a lot of similar cases in these industries where it just doesn't feel like there's that

02:05:46.220 much backlash that swiftly.

02:05:47.800 Some people are bringing race into it.

02:05:49.340 They're saying, why is Ezra Miller allowed to chokeslam women in Iceland?

02:05:53.300 Yeah.

02:05:53.640 But Jerry, uh, Jonathan Majors gets in an incident that nobody can corroborate.

02:05:57.800 Is he, is he a Republican?

02:05:58.780 He's, I don't think, I don't know if he's a Republican.

02:06:00.780 I have no, I have no idea.

02:06:01.480 That's what I was going to say.

02:06:02.100 Uh, but people, some people floated that idea.

02:06:05.400 I'm like, I don't, I, I don't think so.

02:06:07.320 Let me ask you, I mean, with the videos you've put out, have you felt like there's a backlash

02:06:12.240 in the industry or they're, they're, they're upset with you or.

02:06:15.920 You know, I, I, I, I think they're too smart to be open about it.

02:06:20.300 If, if they were upset with me.

02:06:22.740 But have you felt it?

02:06:23.900 Does it?

02:06:24.180 I do feel something.

02:06:25.940 I do feel, but it could be my paranoia, you know, because I'm, I, I, I, it's not like

02:06:30.520 I was a closeted guy with my politics.

02:06:33.640 I was always very open about what I thought.

02:06:35.600 That's why it was sort of a relief to talk to somebody like Jake on the set because, excuse

02:06:40.520 me, Jake McLaughlin, because he was sort of, you know, in my camp.

02:06:43.500 He's a conservative, but you know, we can, there was a lot of things that we could agree

02:06:47.420 on.

02:06:47.760 You worked with David Boreanaz?

02:06:50.080 Who?

02:06:50.520 David Boreanaz.

02:06:51.480 David Boreanaz.

02:06:52.400 I don't know.

02:06:52.580 Angel.

02:06:53.160 Angel.

02:06:53.580 From Buffy.

02:06:53.820 No.

02:06:54.060 Buffy.

02:06:54.460 No.

02:06:54.680 Okay.

02:06:54.800 And Bones.

02:06:55.540 Bones.

02:06:56.460 He's on SEAL team.

02:06:59.360 I think Bones is bigger than Buffy.

02:07:00.640 I don't know.

02:07:00.940 I went to Buffy first.

02:07:01.560 No, it is.

02:07:02.740 That show's really, really good too.

02:07:04.840 Bones.

02:07:05.300 Another good example of a strong, of a strong female character and an example where he's

02:07:10.840 a religious conservative, basically.

02:07:13.280 On the show.

02:07:13.940 Yeah.

02:07:14.380 He's not a religious conservative.

02:07:15.580 He's, he's a Hollywood religious conservative.

02:07:17.700 Is he?

02:07:18.980 In reality?

02:07:20.000 I mean, I don't know what he is in real life.

02:07:21.560 He posted a thing about Fauci at, at, in court.

02:07:24.800 So he, I can make assumptions from that.

02:07:26.680 I don't know.

02:07:27.360 Sounds like I'll get along.

02:07:27.920 But, uh, like, so you're saying Jake McLaughlin, he is somebody who's on the conservative side,

02:07:31.440 but he's still working.

02:07:32.040 I don't know if I just outed him and didn't mean to, but he's very open on the set about

02:07:35.480 his perspective.

02:07:36.360 Like I am.

02:07:37.040 So, uh, and so I don't, I don't know if that's affecting me, but I suspect that it might just

02:07:43.320 because, um, I know that, uh, and I know that it's affected me in a good way in the sense

02:07:50.120 that some of the folks have circled the wagons around me because they know what I'm like personally,

02:07:54.560 and they're not going to believe the crap that some of these woke activists online throw

02:08:00.500 at them.

02:08:00.980 I know that a few of them have tried to get me fired from my convention circuit and the

02:08:05.340 convention, the people who run the convention are like, Mark, we got your back.

02:08:09.280 We know that this is all bullshit.

02:08:10.880 You know, they accused me of being a homophobe, a transphobe, a racist, uh, uh, uh, Islamophobe.

02:08:18.900 For a lot of fair policy views or something?

02:08:21.140 Because of being pro-capitalism.

02:08:23.700 Because I'm pro-capitalist.

02:08:25.160 Yeah.

02:08:25.300 I'm pro-individual.

02:08:26.860 But they're, but they have a lot of those people have groupthink and they, they are the

02:08:31.620 type of people, a lot of them are the ones that will label, if you have one belief, you

02:08:35.680 likely have all of these other beliefs, which degrades the idea of the individual, which is

02:08:40.740 what you talk about.

02:08:41.420 They don't have that view.

02:08:41.960 They don't have that view.

02:08:42.560 Yeah.

02:08:42.760 They don't have that view.

02:08:43.880 Yeah.

02:08:44.400 So, uh, again, I don't, I don't know if it's affecting me.

02:08:47.340 It could, but I feel like in 2014, I noticed a change coming over Twitter, uh, where you

02:08:54.560 could have, before that you could have arguments, legitimate discussions with people that weren't

02:08:59.780 vitriolic, even if you really differed with the person.

02:09:03.280 But after 2014, the, the atmosphere became very toxic and people, I noticed then being, were

02:09:09.960 very afraid to fight the toxicity.

02:09:12.640 And I decided, man, when a bully, you know, attacks you, you've got, you got two choices,

02:09:18.080 give in or fight.

02:09:19.620 And at least if you, if you lose the fight, you're going to gain the respect of that bully

02:09:24.640 to a degree.

02:09:25.680 And so I decided to fight the bully culture that's out there now.

02:09:29.280 Any, any, any cool, uh, any cool projects coming up that we should know about?

02:09:32.960 Uh, American Rust, uh, you know, and, uh, is the, is the, is the big one.

02:09:38.520 I'm, I'm going to be releasing, I think reality checks every couple of weeks.

02:09:42.000 I love the reality.

02:09:42.840 Oh, good.

02:09:43.260 I just did one on minimum wage.

02:09:44.400 I just watch it.

02:09:45.540 Oh, I got one coming up on altruism.

02:09:48.440 Um, anti-minimum, opposed the minimum wage.

02:09:51.040 Opposed.

02:09:51.680 Yeah.

02:09:52.000 Opposed to.

02:09:52.440 I, I, I, uh, was talking to an accountant a few years ago, New Jersey, uh, up the minimum

02:09:57.920 wage.

02:09:58.260 And he said he lost 20% of his clients.

02:10:00.320 They went out of business overnight because the, he said what people need to understand

02:10:04.380 is they do this thing where they say, we're going to raise the minimum wage by $3 and we'll

02:10:09.120 do it 30 cents every six months or whatever to help people get acclimated.

02:10:12.820 And he was like, it doesn't work that way.

02:10:14.880 You don't, he was like, he's like, look, I got a small business.

02:10:18.600 They got 10 employees.

02:10:20.240 All of a sudden they're looking at, you know, a, a three to 6% increase in the span of a

02:10:26.500 couple of months.

02:10:27.120 That's, that's over there way over there.

02:10:28.540 Their margins are gone.

02:10:29.260 Their margins are now zero.

02:10:30.140 He's like, I don't understand what that means.

02:10:31.400 They think profits are really arbitrary and that they could give those to the workers.

02:10:35.180 They have no idea what profits mean.

02:10:36.900 And there's people who think that a restaurant owner is rich and the workers are poor.

02:10:41.700 And sometimes the owner makes less money than the waitstaff.

02:10:44.880 Because there's no profit for him.

02:10:46.900 And he's like, sometimes nothing.

02:10:48.280 Sometimes he's making nothing.

02:10:49.440 Yep.

02:10:49.780 Restaurants notoriously go out of business.

02:10:52.080 Yep.

02:10:52.500 Really low margins.

02:10:53.760 Yeah.

02:10:54.200 So he, he's like, we got, this guy's got a 10% margin.

02:10:57.140 Now a 6% increase in costs in six months.

02:10:59.520 They just shut down, sold off the assets.

02:11:01.640 And now they're looking for work.

02:11:03.140 Yeah.

02:11:03.280 So I don't make, I don't make practical arguments.

02:11:05.400 I make a moral argument.

02:11:06.340 I feel, I feel the conservatives over the years, even though they betrayed capitalism, totally.

02:11:11.160 But one thing that they've tried to do is, is show the left, the capitalism works.

02:11:17.240 It's practical, but the left doesn't care because the left is doing the moral thing.

02:11:21.700 And the moral thing is not to profit.

02:11:23.320 The moral thing is to lose.

02:11:24.420 The moral thing is to sacrifice, which you agree with.

02:11:27.060 Don't you write?

02:11:28.020 And the right says, yes, we do, but you have to have a little, and that's why they lose.

02:11:31.380 So I always, if ever I, I'm going to have one on capitalism come out too.

02:11:36.060 Whenever I talk about capitalism, whenever I talk about wages and prices, I never, I never

02:11:40.740 reduce it to facts and figures.

02:11:42.720 I talk about the ethics of it.

02:11:44.560 The right of the individual to be free and to labor.

02:11:47.720 Why it's good.

02:11:48.260 And I, I agree with this.

02:11:49.600 I've, I've tried to explain it to a lot of my lefty, very lefty friends.

02:11:53.060 I'll ask them quite simply, do you think an individual has a right to keep the fruits

02:11:57.120 of their labor?

02:11:57.720 And they go, yes, absolutely.

02:11:58.800 Of course.

02:11:59.600 I'm like, so, right.

02:12:01.260 And I'm like, oh, so you think the government shouldn't be taking stuff from them?

02:12:03.820 They're like, well, no.

02:12:05.500 And it's just like, the argument I find on the left tends to be the CEO has no right

02:12:10.820 to steal the fruits of the labor of the workers.

02:12:13.580 The government does.

02:12:14.820 And I was like, okay, well, you know, I kind of think it should be neither, but you know,

02:12:17.860 whatever.

02:12:18.420 Do you remember when Gad Saad got in an argument with Seth Rogen about socialism?

02:12:23.220 Did you ever see that?

02:12:24.100 No.

02:12:24.580 And basically he was, he was.

02:12:26.460 With Seth Rogen?

02:12:27.220 With Seth Rogen.

02:12:28.480 It sounds like a fever dream and weird, right?

02:12:30.960 But basically talking about like, you're pushing the ideas of socialism on kids.

02:12:35.420 He's like not realizing that you're a product of the most capitalist industry in literally

02:12:40.060 the most capitalist country in the world or what used to, maybe what used to be the most

02:12:42.940 capitalist country in the world.

02:12:43.780 I don't know.

02:12:44.420 But definitely Hollywood being a hyper capitalist industry, you know, that's very profit driven.

02:12:49.960 You know, if a project doesn't make money, they're not going to make a sequel.

02:12:52.800 Like we, we make jokes all the time because Hannah Claire can't stand the Fast and the

02:12:56.800 Furious movies.

02:12:57.400 And I'm like, well, they make money.

02:12:58.920 And as long as they're making money, they're going to keep making more.

02:13:01.760 And it's just, it's a, it's a clown show.

02:13:03.620 I love Fast and the Furious.

02:13:04.100 Yeah.

02:13:04.780 She just doesn't understand fun.

02:13:06.440 Right.

02:13:06.740 I know.

02:13:07.840 Women.

02:13:08.680 But yeah.

02:13:09.180 I've actually never seen Fast and the Furious.

02:13:12.500 Oh, you're missing out.

02:13:14.480 Yeah.

02:13:15.120 So, but was this a Twitter argument?

02:13:17.140 Yeah.

02:13:17.220 It was like a couple of years ago and I'll never forget that.

02:13:19.320 Cause like a lot of those people to the youth of today, maybe Seth Rogen isn't a thought

02:13:23.780 leader, but people with his, you know, champagne socialists are a lot of times thought leaders

02:13:28.480 on the youth and not realizing that many of them, uh, uh, uh, Hassan Piker, who's a socialist

02:13:34.900 who makes millions of dollars, right?

02:13:36.780 Yeah.

02:13:37.020 So, well, I did derail.

02:13:38.420 I was asking you about your projects.

02:13:40.500 Oh yeah.

02:13:41.080 So American Rust, uh, and reality checks.

02:13:43.620 I'm writing a couple of scripts as well.

02:13:45.260 Um, um, um, I'm going to do a mockumentary, I think with my wife.

02:13:48.900 Um, so it's going to be sort of objectivist geared.

02:13:50.860 She's not an objectivist, but, um, we have some ideas that we're going to throw out there

02:13:55.360 and I'm just going to, I'm going to be the summer in Paris, uh, teaching and doing theater.

02:13:59.480 As you say, you teach acting as well.

02:14:00.920 Yes.

02:14:01.340 I teach acting.

02:14:02.020 And my wife, my wife has a, has a theater out there, Playhouse Paris.

02:14:06.500 Tracy, what's up?

02:14:07.420 Um, and so I'm going to go out there, um, May 10th and I'll be teaching and working on

02:14:11.840 the stage with them until July 2nd.

02:14:14.640 Right on, man.

02:14:15.280 Well, this has been a blast.

02:14:16.320 It's been so fun, guys.

02:14:17.260 Thank you.

02:14:17.840 Is there anything else you want to mention or shout out before we wrap up?

02:14:19.880 Uh, just always check your premises, folks.

02:14:22.660 Always check your premises.

02:14:24.120 I dig it.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool

The Culture War #9 - Mark Pellegrino, Star Of Supernatural & Lost, Talking Wokeness In Hollywood

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