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00:00:00.320 Got on Hinge and the age parameters were set pretty high and uh yeah the the Millennial 0.96

00:00:04.960 crowd looks like Genghis Khan ran through the place I don't know what's going on.

00:00:07.840 Like yeah if you were the guy saying yeah don't try the apps you want to just drive

00:00:10.720 across the country and just hit on random women at bus stops that's how it's gonna work it'd be 1.00

00:00:15.440 like well what did you do like it wasn't that. If you say the wrong thing we can take out to the

00:00:19.840 parking lot and have a punch up and then probably be bros afterwards as well because it's a lot

00:00:24.080 it's a lot easier to have respect for someone if you've you know traded fisticuffs um bring back

00:00:28.400 dueling. What is up guys this is Tate Brown here holding it down we're back with another installation

00:00:34.480 of a hit the mic already it's a bad start of Across the Pond this is a sort of this new experiment that

00:00:40.480 me and Connor are toying around with to provide you guys with some hard-hitting commentary over

00:00:44.640 the weekends we are joined here by a guest Patrick Casey the legend the man the myth the legend everyone

00:00:49.920 loves him everyone knows him but with that we're going to get into the good man scarcity I don't

00:00:54.000 know if you've seen the discourse on Twitter if you're an avid Twitter user but um this this this

00:00:59.680 post popped up I think it was about two days ago and I'll flash it on the screen here um basically

00:01:05.280 lamenting the current dynamics in the dating world uh here this poster Ali Voss says one of the toughest

00:01:12.720 things about the Christian dating scene is that the women are all over at the Baptist non-denom mega 1.00

00:01:18.480 church and the men are at all the most trad places they can find and a lot of people resonated with

00:01:23.440 this a lot of people were providing their two cents on the matter and I figured who better to bring

00:01:28.640 in than two I would say chud maxers I would say that would be a good um description of these two 1.00

00:01:33.680 gentlemen but uh with that I don't know Connor you can introduce yourself first and then we'll uh kick

00:01:37.760 the pat yeah chud maxing by getting married over the yeah I so the interesting thing about this

00:01:46.560 transatlantic experiment is that we don't have like massive non-dom churches over in the UK 0.99

00:01:53.040 but we still have among the Christian influencer sphere something that I've noticed over in the

00:01:58.240 States which is the divide between okay three types of women there are the like quiet tradcasts 1.00

00:02:04.480 who don't make a big show of being on Instagram or Twitter and actually don't contribute much to

00:02:10.640 discourse but instead actually live out their values like they'll go to the traditional Latin

00:02:15.040 mass society in London they'll often struggle finding traditional Catholic men who aren't already paired up

00:02:21.200 and we've tried to play you know we've tried to induce people over in the UK and it just it's basically

00:02:27.840 impossible then there's the evangelical women who on the continuum of exoterically conservative but 0.82

00:02:35.920 temperamentally liberal are like full-blown girl bosses so we've discussed this before you'll get

00:02:41.520 evangelical women that will like henpeck their husbands to death and you see this in discourse whether 0.97

00:02:46.400 it's um there was a clip of ali bestucky going out of the weekend where she was criticized saying that

00:02:51.280 men we need you to step up and lead you know quit the porn etc you know good message but at the same

00:02:56.800 time there's a there's a bunch of women that are just reading smart like the like the minotaur milking 1.00

00:03:01.280 farm stuff and that's not being taken down the fact that I even know that exists means that I

00:03:05.920 I unfortunately know what it what it means as well yeah we'll have to we'll have to sit down

00:03:10.800 shameless for like I'm like a clockwork orange subjection thing yeah but the fact that they

00:03:16.800 they feel the need to like long house men with question window dressing means there's still a

00:03:22.080 problem of feminization over there and then the third problem is and I hope I don't indict myself here

00:03:28.640 but um if you do date in conservative circles uh the we we love our e-girls folks however

00:03:35.520 a lot of them are exoterically conservative well we're across on television but are temperamentally

00:03:40.920 liberal and so what what you get is women who draw themselves towards conservative politics because 1.00

00:03:47.120 they're attracted to the limelight the fame the attention and the acclaim especially because pretty

00:03:51.700 much everyone in politics wants an attractive woman parroting their talking points to sell it to 1.00

00:03:55.440 young women who are drifting leftward so that means that you end up getting the sort of craziest most 1.00

00:04:00.300 superficial fame obsessed women to talk these talking points and ends up discrediting them 1.00

00:04:05.140 over time so yeah it's it's rough out there for young guys I'm glad I got the last chopper out of

00:04:09.840 NAMM well I'm glad I'm glad we got Pat here to really break this down Pat before we jump in all the

00:04:16.240 way do you want to give uh the viewers a quick intro of who you are and what you do sure thank you so my

00:04:22.020 name is Patrick Casey you can find me on Twitter at at restore order USA I have a weekly podcast uh it's

00:04:28.460 called restoring order and yeah I write for places like chronicles magazine federalist uh the blaze

00:04:34.340 I've been uh honored to have been on simple show a few times so that's kind of the general uh overview

00:04:40.400 of of what I'm about but this is clearly a very interesting subject and uh I don't know if it's

00:04:46.940 quite everyone's favorite subject you know prior to October 7th uh maybe I would have said that dating

00:04:52.800 discourse would have been everyone's favorite subject but uh uh unfortunately for the people really into

00:04:57.420 this this topic uh it was eclipsed by uh the Jews uh slash Israel so we'll see how long that lasts

00:05:04.180 um but yeah I mean aside from uh the Jews and dating what really is there to discuss right now

00:05:09.340 um so yeah on the dating subject on the the good men scarcity these these sorts of uh things it's

00:05:16.820 it is very interesting because many of sort of younger under 40 conservatives also I'm 36 I'll uh you

00:05:23.540 know include that uh and kind of include myself in this uh ambiguous artificially constructed younger

00:05:29.000 category here no but basically conservatives under 40 most of us um even if you were raised conservative

00:05:35.660 you probably I mean you weren't really raised in a world where conservative values reigned um so you

00:05:41.740 are kind of trying to rediscover things in a sense you're trying to reinvent uh the wheel and for a lot

00:05:47.980 of us who you know maybe were raised moderately conservative became very conservative um you know

00:05:53.680 the sort of status quo for tapped in millennials and zoomers is uh again very different even than

00:06:00.660 probably what you were raised with if you were raised conservative so the point there is that a lot of us

00:06:06.020 have this idea in our heads of of what being based being uh conservative being trad means and

00:06:13.480 it's not something that unlike in previous generations we've just received through the

00:06:18.840 process of right cultural transmission it's not really an organic thing we're just kind of like

00:06:22.960 you know on the internet like how how do I be trad how do I be you know the women are thinking how 0.92

00:06:28.260 do I be a trad wife men are thinking how can I get the trad wife how can I be you know a giga chad

00:06:34.060 alpha male uh and so that it's kind of a process of we're kind of like grasping around it like

00:06:43.000 you know just trying to figure out like well what how do we be this this sort of archetype

00:06:47.400 and it's important to understand that uh you know again our grandparents our great-grandparents

00:06:52.760 so on all the way back uh didn't really go through that so this process um what Connor said definitely

00:06:59.080 kind of relates to this in the sense that you have some of the people are trying to be there there

00:07:04.740 it's almost like a cargo cult they're adopting the external trappings of what it is to be a trad wife 0.92

00:07:10.840 well of course I'm a trad wife I have my my cross and uh you know I'm I've got the the veil that

00:07:16.300 I'm putting on for these Instagram pictures and of course I'm a trad wife well I think we all

00:07:20.440 understand that what it means to be you know traditionally minded or to live a conservative

00:07:26.000 life is ultimately something that needs to stem from the inside it needs to flow outward and the you

00:07:33.200 know to whatever extent there are these external trappings uh right they're manifestations of of an

00:07:38.300 internal sort of disposition so uh you know some women and I guess men doing trying to do their 0.56

00:07:44.600 own trad thing or uh might be if they're influencers maybe in some cases definitely are disingenuous and

00:07:50.980 insincere in what they're doing it's it's just a show um and you know other people that kind of do

00:07:55.500 this cargo cult uh again going to back to what I said earlier they just are trying right you have to

00:08:01.880 give them credit but not always you know all effort uh doesn't always bring people to where they

00:08:06.600 necessarily need to be yeah yeah well that's so true and really I think this post specifically

00:08:12.980 what it's highlighting is the massive rift that's occurred between men and women where we're almost

00:08:17.960 in two different worlds it feels like I mean what what they're hitting on and what the application a lot

00:08:22.960 of um you know based older guys were giving is like oh well you should just kind of go to these

00:08:27.880 churches these mega churches you know put your time in there to find a wife and then rescue her and

00:08:32.820 bring her to a you know a trad church which you know probably does work in some capacity but

00:08:38.100 like like you were saying Pat I mean these are not things that are even our parents certainly

00:08:44.280 or grandparents had to wrestle with they didn't have to deal with this sort of massive rift between

00:08:49.200 the genders um Brian I don't know how to say his name Brian Suave I see him his name on on Twitter

00:08:55.700 all the time I just don't know how to pronounce it but he provided some commentary I think it's very

00:08:58.940 very salient he says if you want to understand this very real phenomenon you have to understand

00:09:03.760 what those baptist slash non-denom megachurches are they are citadels of feminism uh megachurch 1.00

00:09:10.160 culture is long-housed Christian culture which means it is it creates women who are quite dangerous 1.00

00:09:15.500 to marry um yeah this is kind of downstream from okay they're providing something that's of tremendous

00:09:22.020 value to women um you know they're they are very affirming of sort of the plights of women and that

00:09:30.440 really goes unaddressed men's plights to go unaddressed and that's why you see them kind of

00:09:33.980 filter into uh these more trad religious arrangements but this is really scary that um I mean we can see

00:09:41.880 the numbers of the marriage rate going down the primary way people our our couples are forming is

00:09:48.740 through dating apps um which just kind of is a band-aid on a um as an axe wound because I mean

00:09:55.040 again if the only way to mend this rift is with an algorithm yeah we're kind of cooked um I don't

00:10:02.760 know Connor if you have some thoughts I know you've spoken before on sort of this rift that's occurred

00:10:07.740 between the sexes as far as you know the types of institutions we engage with interact with so I've got

00:10:14.140 a bunch of thoughts on that and Pat's right about the cargo cult Lomas has this great phrase where he

00:10:19.800 says everyone troons out about something and it basically means that you're like you're some of

00:10:24.880 us can become like male to male or female to female transsexuals that's what uh Mary Harrington says about 0.98

00:10:30.300 uh Andrew Tate like he's such a performative emblem of masculinity with his like fleet of Bugattis and

00:10:36.200 his harem where he's like a modern Genghis Khan that he's a male to male transsexual and this is the same 0.99

00:10:40.840 thing like if you're if you're larping as a trad wife online and rather than actually you know baking

00:10:46.400 sourdough with your phone put away you're you're economizing your entire family life and your

00:10:50.480 marriage for social media content yeah you might be the the wellspring from which uh cultural cascade

00:10:57.840 flows but a lot of the time it's that you're you're too in the internet and you're too self-aware

00:11:02.340 to actually live an authentic uh trad life as far as the divide between the sexes I think this is being

00:11:07.200 exacerbated by the type of church uh much like social media and much like dating apps you could

00:11:13.220 apply the Marshall McLuhan phrase the medium is the message the very structure of the churches

00:11:17.600 themselves are exacerbating the sex divide this is why you're seeing at last Easter 40 percent of the

00:11:25.040 catechumens in both France and Britain were young men under the age of 30 so they're gravitating back

00:11:31.500 towards even if the church doctrine itself is weakened by successive popes you know blessing

00:11:37.340 blocks of ice like it's a pagan ritual or something they like the smells and bells of Catholicism or 0.93

00:11:42.720 orthodoxy whereas um the Anglican church which has fully made itself subservient to gay race communism 0.62

00:11:49.700 and had like drag queens in its in its in its church services doing karaoke nights they're now outnumbered

00:11:55.980 two to one by Catholics and it's not just because of the birth rates whereas these mega non-denominational 0.99

00:12:00.280 churches they don't have the same hierarchy the same call to beauty the same imposition of

00:12:05.820 responsibility on you to be a custodian of tradition instead they're more akin to the therapeutic society

00:12:11.000 that social media increasingly chat GPT reflecting your own opinions back at you a lot of self-help

00:12:16.420 podcasts do of where they say you know Jesus loves you and he'll meet you as where you are and all you

00:12:21.460 need to do is stick your hands up and sing along with the local school band and you know worship's just

00:12:27.260 as good as if you're if you're putting in the work so to speak and that's why i think it attracts a lot

00:12:31.480 more of a temperamentally liberal even if they're exoterically christian and conservative female

00:12:36.300 denomination and that's why the men don't want to go there because they hear this woolly egalitarianism

00:12:40.900 during the well you would say what service or preacher uh sermon i would say homily and they just go

00:12:48.000 ew like yeah i'd rather go to a place with with gargoyles telling me that i'm not good enough you know

00:12:52.980 so i think that's what's exacerbating it's actually like the medium and the aesthetics of the church

00:12:57.200 yeah well i think we're to drill down on that i think what's interesting is analysis analyzing the

00:13:04.020 uh the market calculation that these mega churches have made is is women you know are going to flock

00:13:10.320 to these churches why is that the washington post uh put out this article see october 28th um the

00:13:18.540 headline was maga singles are looking for love in washington it's a challenge um and the the sub

00:13:24.880 headline the politics of trying to find a partner in an overwhelmingly liberal city can be tricky quote

00:13:29.700 my partner can't think i'm a fascist that's crazy and in this article they like they interview a few

00:13:35.400 people and they kind of just um talk about you know the the troubles they're having but um there was

00:13:41.360 a tweet in response to that that post that we led with uh it was from scott greer who you know coined

00:13:47.020 the the term the good man scarcity which is kind of a tongue-in-cheek sort of thing um he he wrote

00:13:52.260 the washington post recently did a profile on conservative women in dc complaining about good 0.66

00:13:57.280 men's scarcity within maga most of their complaints were that they didn't go to church enough went to

00:14:02.020 the wrong church and failed to live up to their unrealistic ideals the main women interviewed uh 0.97

00:14:07.960 the main woman interviewed has spent her week condemning halloween as an abomination

00:14:12.060 a lot of the stuff about good men's scarcity is a result of conflicting priorities men falling

00:14:18.540 behind as women advance and subsequent uh unrealistic standards this is even more apparent among conservative

00:14:23.940 women and i think like if we were to drill down on the issue like you know there's there's enough 1.00

00:14:28.040 content out there you know critiquing uh women or their behavior etc etc um i think what's the important 0.99

00:14:36.140 thing that's being glossed over that scott did hit on i think this is really salient is the reason

00:14:40.940 that these mega churches even see it fit in the first place to primarily cater to young women is

00:14:46.740 because men have fallen behind men um are just failing to matriculate in these sorts of things

00:14:53.640 um and and the response from the christian world um has just been to browbeat men even more right it's to

00:15:00.380 say uh you know you're there's something wrong there's something you got to pick up you know pick

00:15:04.940 yourself up by your bootstraps these sorts of things um but yeah it's clear it's clear to me

00:15:11.900 that with these mega churches the reason they're making this calculation is because yeah the the men

00:15:17.600 the men's priorities are all all jumbled because they're they're falling behind the the society in

00:15:22.980 general uh they're falling behind you're seeing like colleges uh women outnumber men and college degrees 1.00

00:15:28.380 um now by by a pretty good gulf um among other things i don't know if you guys have any thoughts

00:15:35.040 on this on any thoughts of specifically you know men falling behind as women advanced as scott pointed

00:15:41.700 out right well i believe that uh younger men out or out earned by younger women now i could be there

00:15:49.420 could be some nuances to that i remember reading an article a few years ago it was only in certain cities

00:15:53.580 but the city it was like most major cities um there are a lot of yeah there has been some pretty

00:15:59.880 profound changes in uh cultural social economic changes in america in the last uh few decades and

00:16:08.760 yeah i don't i don't think people are really happier than they than they were before these changes i don't

00:16:14.420 know how much we can what extent we can roll back the clock i mean it's just as one one example you know

00:16:20.160 people always talk about the one family income back in the 50s you know when people were living

00:16:25.020 the trad life and it's like well uh we can't recreate the 50s we could we could bring back maybe

00:16:30.600 some good aspects of the 50s but a lot has changed and you can even go back a few decades ago

00:16:36.040 so i don't know i think there there are a lot of changes women are more independent these days they're 1.00

00:16:42.360 making more money they're um they're also more politically liberal um you know for all that can be said

00:16:48.180 about i know we've largely been talking about within the conservative world but i just want to say

00:16:52.600 that for every everything that can be said about people moving rightward in the 2024 election you had

00:16:58.780 the map of all of these counties across the country that went red um it's a lot of that was men um and a

00:17:05.420 lot of it was minority men which is kind of the funny thing i mean trump kept the same amount of the

00:17:09.000 white vote that he did from previous election cycles i was like 65 66 or so and um that might be a

00:17:17.000 little off but the fact remains that it was uh you know white women are you know they might lean 1.00

00:17:24.700 trump but overall the trajectory especially for younger women and you see this actually around

00:17:28.640 the world financial times had a good article that had all of these graphs you've probably seen them

00:17:32.700 on twitter um that there is an ideological gender polarization that's happening it's not quite as

00:17:38.520 pronounced in america as it is in say south korea where it's like the men are like hardcore like

00:17:44.580 you know incel nationalists and the women are like extreme feminists that's obviously a terrible 1.00

00:17:51.120 model for society but the thing to keep in mind is that you know that process is probably kind of the

00:17:57.680 same within conservatives um within the world of conservatism where you do have women that um you know

00:18:03.860 even yeah they like trump whatever um they still might have some more liberal views on um what men

00:18:10.980 should do and not do uh what you know they should what should be expected of them how relationships

00:18:15.960 should work so again this isn't to blame everything on women you know you talk to uh female conservatives 1.00

00:18:22.280 you know friends of mine and they they'll tell you all about like crazy dating stories trying to

00:18:26.500 find uh you know because you got your put yourself in the you know maybe maybe don't think too much of

00:18:31.180 it that way but you know from a woman's perspective who is like right-wing traditionally minded you know if 1.00

00:18:36.080 you go on a dating app you got guys that have like pronouns in their bios and stuff so it's uh

00:18:41.100 you know it can be it can be rough out there for them as well i don't i don't fully buy into either

00:18:47.560 narrative that uh it's all the women that are the problem it's all the men um i think uh you know

00:18:52.880 there's plenty of blame to go around but uh the idea that there are no good men and that you know

00:18:58.360 there are tons of good women that just can't find a good man uh because there are no good men um 1.00

00:19:03.300 yeah the women saying that it's usually a question of you know standards uh you know 1.00

00:19:09.300 overweight women maybe thinking that they deserve six five uh you know gigatrad uh you know chad or 1.00

00:19:15.720 something of the sort and yeah it's uh there's a there's a lot that that we could get into there

00:19:20.420 so i'll just i'll just leave it there for now i i want to pick up on that and just say that some of

00:19:25.780 the frustration about the inadequate formation of said gigachads the the lack of the lack of them

00:19:32.580 has been because of hell andrews at a recent piece on this about the great feminization sort of

00:19:39.380 institutional henpecking of men by every single institution where in a short amount of time

00:19:47.360 women have benefited from preferential hiring measures and become the sort of dominant 1.00

00:19:53.260 institutional culture even if they aren't the majority in a corporation and so the female style 1.00

00:19:59.540 of conflict resolution often driving things underground like reputation destruction

00:20:04.320 indirectness passive aggression has become the way of dealing with disputes rather than the

00:20:09.120 directness of men which is always undergirded by if you say the wrong thing we can take out to the

00:20:12.920 parking lot and have a punch-up and then probably be bros afterwards as well because there's a lot

00:20:16.700 it's a lot easier to have respect for someone if you've you know traded fisticuffs

00:20:20.380 bring back dueling basically and so what's happened is because the men can't get this aggression out of

00:20:25.460 their system they either cave and become inadequate and incapable of confrontation and violence i mean

00:20:32.740 like so i i'll be careful where i say this was but i've worked in right-wing organizations where there

00:20:39.060 have been a very small number of female employees and they are on paper signed up to all of our opinions

00:20:46.280 on migration especially because it's a personal threat to them but the institutional culture when

00:20:50.540 it when when masculine banter rears its ugly head hr comes down on you like a ton of bricks and you're 0.99

00:20:55.940 accused of being insensitive or too direct or too blunt and i'm just like fuck me pull the golden 0.99

00:21:01.140 parachute i hate this um get me get me out of here right that becomes so intolerable to men that either 0.98

00:21:06.320 you drive men out of those spaces or the men that gravitate to those spaces are obsequious and therefore

00:21:11.860 disgusting because women actually you know they they would quite like a leader or the men who do 1.00

00:21:18.420 react to this lose the concept of ambiguous complementarity it's the phrase that ivan illich 0.97

00:21:23.660 used to describe how the sex is just sort of got along before we had to re-examine the way that we

00:21:27.900 got along in light of the industrial and then the sexual revolutions trying to level uh the way that

00:21:33.440 when men and women both worked and also slept with each other um when the jobs became interchangeable

00:21:38.740 when the birth control pill removed consequences from sex and the state started subsidizing single

00:21:43.200 mothers poor decisions then men and women lost the language to understand each other's differences

00:21:47.660 and they went from being adam and eve to cain and abel like we existed in this kind of sibling society

00:21:53.240 and so to try and work out a relationship with one another without understanding that yeah she's

00:21:58.760 going to have an impulse and say some frivolous nonsense and you can't overreact to it you've got to

00:22:02.360 be like a rock upon which her emotional waves break if you get frustrated is actually a sign that

00:22:07.340 you aren't a leader in your own relationship you need to be emotionally stalwart even if she drives

00:22:11.640 you mad sometimes not being able to understand that means that pairing up feels kind of incestuous

00:22:16.100 and wrong and so you'd rather go monk mode and retreat either into porn and video games or you

00:22:20.700 know posting about nietzschean vitalism on the internet and so this means that a lot of good

00:22:24.400 guys are also put off of women because they don't have the frame of reference especially if they come

00:22:28.100 from broken homes to understand why women are slightly different but it shouldn't be a form of 1.00

00:22:32.180 frustration it should actually be the reason that you're attracted to them and it's the same with

00:22:36.160 women women institutionalize femininity produce feminine men and then go where have all the good 1.00

00:22:42.280 men gone and it's like okay if you allow men to act like men and have their own spaces maybe you

00:22:47.460 would be able to have more eligible partners that you weren't competing with for the same opportunities

00:22:51.080 yeah yeah absolutely i mean kind of to that point there's this clip that's been going around

00:22:56.400 of ali beth stuckey speaking at a turning point event i think it was in louisiana at lsu and uh the quote

00:23:02.600 that stood out that everyone's kind of highlighting discussing was this quote uh men we need you we

00:23:07.940 need your masculinity and your strength and courage and we need those things to be harnessed for good

00:23:13.500 which is obviously true but to the point you made a lot of men just feel crowded out or or feel like

00:23:20.700 hostility from these institutions that they historically would be participating and leading in

00:23:24.580 and it makes you sit back and you go okay well you we're getting too conflicting messaging here right

00:23:30.560 like we need you we need masculinity etc etc but then as soon as that's you know flexed it gets you

00:23:36.400 know you get knocked down you get uh you get crowded out and i think that's kind of the same thing

00:23:40.080 happening this is what worries me um was off that initial tweet again is you know obviously in the

00:23:47.840 united states and and the west broadly the conservative right has successfully prescribed an anecdote for

00:23:55.200 a lot of the madness which be increased increased religiosity for a variety of reasons among one

00:24:00.360 uh that it sort of structures your life and sort of an eternal like you sort of develop this eternal

00:24:04.780 mindset and this sort of thing um but the problem is with these churches you know appealing to femininity 0.70

00:24:11.660 almost exclusively or at least appealing to women exclusively is it crowds men out and okay yes in

00:24:17.620 our space a lot of men are sort of circumventing that by going to these you know trad traditional

00:24:22.660 churches these sorts of things i think the vast majority of men are just not they're just slipping

00:24:27.920 through the cracks they're not attending church and they're retreating into sort of this nihilism that

00:24:32.840 you outline like you know porn you know but even beyond that like like the sports betting's gotten out of

00:24:37.620 control and everything and i think all these things are compounding factors because um men are crowded

00:24:43.480 out of these institutions that would provide them with direction that would sort of reorient their mindset to a

00:24:49.220 more eternal one i mean if you're if you're not if you don't have like an eternal mindset then how

00:24:54.460 could you even begin to go about you know planning your life out for children or or purchasing a home

00:24:59.740 or you know building some sort of business or something something that would last that would outlast

00:25:03.540 you it's tough to even get the ball rolling if if you are um the only sort of things in your life

00:25:10.280 are just temporary pleasure and these sorts of things like you know the porn you know draft kings what do they

00:25:16.600 call them a fan duel americans like it's really tough to break out of that framing um yeah when

00:25:22.320 you're being boxed out of these institutions yeah it absolutely is there there are a lot of problems

00:25:27.460 and it's i think it's important for people to try to stay positive no matter how how bleak things can

00:25:33.880 seem no matter how bad the other sex uh might be people are people are people are not doing well these

00:25:40.080 days overall and um you know if if your social circle is like put together young professionals

00:25:46.540 who are married in their 20s and uh they're not overweight and they you know they're religious

00:25:52.040 they're conservative that's like i think we all understand that's not representative uh not only of

00:25:57.380 society overall but it's probably not representative no offense to my twitter followers of uh you know

00:26:02.180 people on twitter even people that are posting about this stuff all day um and it's important yeah it's

00:26:08.140 just important to keep in mind that uh you know in many ways our respective generations i'm i think

00:26:13.840 both of you guys are zoomers i'm a i'm a old head millennial here but you know our generations and and

00:26:19.360 you know lord uh the poor god bless uh generation alpha but we've been handed on ideal we've been

00:26:27.300 dealt on ideal hands basically and you know you just have to you just have to play with the hand that

00:26:31.600 you're dealt and it's important not to develop kind of a right-wing victim complex where you're like 0.99

00:26:36.420 well women women just suck these days they're all like fat feminists um which you know again there's 1.00

00:26:41.420 there's some truth to that but you know just say well like yeah i'm just like yeah screw i don't 1.00

00:26:46.280 have to that relieves me of my obligation to um you know to contribute to society in the form of having

00:26:52.060 you know having a family but also in the sense of like you know what you owe you're denying yourself

00:26:57.780 something that's that's uh very good and very worthwhile so yeah you only need to find one at the end of

00:27:05.100 the day you only need to find one yeah to say something uh radioactive to pick up on that point

00:27:09.840 uh i've noticed as as you said earlier the dating discourse tipped quite quickly into the geopolitics

00:27:18.120 particularly israel palestine discourse because i think over time the red pill sphere has deteriorated

00:27:24.240 from source and become profoundly brown coded because a lot of the complaints are about how

00:27:30.140 non-white women act and they're then projected onto white women am i right when i don't think 0.59

00:27:37.180 that's necessarily the case like yeah there's a lot of liberal white women but the problems per capita 1.00

00:27:40.980 especially among divorce rates if you break them down by race in the united states are not nearly that

00:27:44.940 bad among whites especially church attending whites versus blacks and hispanics and so it doesn't map on

00:27:51.320 one-to-one that's why you shouldn't actually be blackpilled about dating discourse if you're a young 0.61

00:27:55.080 sensitive christian white man like yeah it might be harder to find a wife at your specific church

00:27:58.960 but one thing i accidentally learned and here's a here's a note of optimism from me which is really

00:28:02.920 where rare is that i actually met my wife doing an experiment on dating apps for lotus eaters when

00:28:09.880 i was there because i was the only single zoomer in the office and the economist podcast presenter was

00:28:15.420 like figure out how the algorithms work and my conclusion was they're basically demons who promise

00:28:21.280 you infinite optionality but instead put you on a carousel of self-commodification like you're an amazon

00:28:26.120 product and they defer the date at which you meet someone eligible because they want to sell you

00:28:30.780 advertisements or a subscription service so you know get off them and have your village elder set

00:28:35.240 you up with a nice christian girl that he happens to know your new year's resolution if you're a boomer

00:28:39.400 or you're old enough to be a millennial like you pat should be introducing two young zoomers who are

00:28:43.500 desperate to not go to a mega church or you know meet some gay republican staffer in dc and have your 0.65

00:28:49.040 hope hope and time wasted and instead i accidentally found my wife on hinge like a bunch of my friends 1.00

00:28:54.080 have met their partners on hinge or wives and girlfriends because i basically spark hacked it

00:29:00.240 like you set the restrictions to be so limited that the other people who are sick to death of the apps

00:29:07.340 and using it for the genuine reason other than listless hookups will eventually run into you and so

00:29:14.060 in another age i might have met my wife at the village fair or or a town meeting or something like

00:29:19.960 because she was a 10 minute walk down the road the entire time but if you set your parameters

00:29:24.220 really limited you can basically use dating apps like a ouija board and exercise the demons like

00:29:29.040 what are those parameters for people for people watching who who want to uh replicate your success

00:29:34.520 uh mine okay so you obviously don't swipe on any fat chicks um no no some people might be into 0.72

00:29:44.620 that you know yeah you know yeah again brown coded so no drugs um you the biggest actually the biggest 0.72

00:29:52.400 teller is yes put politically conservative but my wife on her profile had moderate because she was 0.64

00:29:58.660 like a default lib but she was curious and actually the best women and this is this is a proper tip 1.00

00:30:04.420 that kind of circles back around to one of the concerns that we have about uh exoterically conservative

00:30:10.040 but temperamented liberal women is a political women are actually much better than very politically 1.00

00:30:14.840 involved women there's this meme online of like a conversation where some woman's like what's

00:30:19.740 happening in ukraine and then the guy just responds don't worry darling and she goes okay that's the

00:30:24.220 kind of relationship you actually want like she might be able to pick up your politics but she 1.00

00:30:28.120 shouldn't be as politically involved and obsessive as you because it can become just as unhealthy as

00:30:33.380 you know having a social media addiction or something like that so yeah and then you end up in a

00:30:37.060 situation where like you know your your relationship stuffers because you disagree on uh you know the

00:30:43.060 ideal form of like uh tariff policy or something of the sort so yeah you have to keep these things in

00:30:48.420 mind uh yeah for sure i mean it's and you're kind of providing um an anecdote um for what pat was

00:30:55.660 saying was you know he's saying you kind of had the deal or you got to you know play the hand that

00:30:59.660 you're dealt and it's so true because it's like okay yes you can prescribe the issues but you as an

00:31:04.260 individual is not going to provide a society-wide anecdote and that's why i thought it was actually

00:31:08.540 kind of a valid strat that some of these guys were proposing which was like okay just go tuck your head

00:31:14.000 down and go to the non-denom church like for a weekday sort of event and then yeah then vacate the

00:31:20.380 scene like i don't know these sorts of things you actually do need to start thinking about because

00:31:24.080 it's like okay you could either harp on about it and then just like hope for the best hope like

00:31:27.240 something that comes across your desk or you can you know actually start uh actively making some

00:31:33.360 plays i i think that's worthwhile um yeah because like pat was saying as well like there's this

00:31:38.700 problem on the right of not just a victim culture but embracing the things that make us i guess victims

00:31:44.780 per se like there's a huge embrace of uh i would say kind of borderline slop culture and this is

00:31:51.260 gonna get me in trouble but it's just true is um there's like this embrace of like the lumpen

00:31:56.460 proletariat i think is what people what people say where um you know they embrace the things about

00:32:02.500 uh they embrace the things that actually sort of uh keep us crowded out of institutions like oh no we

00:32:09.760 should just dress sloppy on purpose oh we should speak like barbarians on purpose uh you see these

00:32:16.160 things you see this embrace of these things and i think it's actually detrimental but it's an impulse

00:32:20.280 that exists because people just say oh if you're gonna judge us on these merits then we're just

00:32:24.780 gonna double down on it but it just kind of exasperates the problem um and so yeah i all this to say

00:32:31.620 like yeah i think there is some value though and just kind of like approaching the situation as it

00:32:35.920 exists and then um you know getting clever with your strats i've heard i've heard some clever strats

00:32:40.360 that i can't disclose um with the dating apps because they're too esoteric knowledge but i don't know

00:32:45.780 if you dm me maybe i'll disclose some of the some of the some of the right price he's happy to

00:32:50.220 give the game away yeah but um but yeah i don't know if you guys have thoughts on sort of

00:32:55.680 the uh the sort of embrace of the things that actually sort of incapacitate us as a political

00:33:02.720 strategy i'm seeing this quite a bit um like there's that guy i forget who it was where he was

00:33:07.820 just like oh the the anecdotes of the dating woes is just go on a road trip and like talk to gas station

00:33:13.860 clerks and then like you'll meet your wife there and it's like okay as someone that you know routinely

00:33:19.560 purchases zins from um from these these these lovely ladies there's not much wife material there 1.00

00:33:25.480 um you can have your reception of bucky's yeah well bucky's you know there are some there's some

00:33:30.860 dimes of bucky's i'm not gonna lie but um but generally else if you don't have a bucky's in your

00:33:34.700 area you know you're gonna you're gonna kind of get nerfed with this this strat but like what

00:33:39.720 what is that what is like the draw on the right to um to like the things that actually sort of harm us

00:33:47.880 i was gonna say real quick i i'm not gonna be able to find the post i'm looking here but i'm pretty

00:33:53.240 sure someone did that because they wanted to see what would happen if you actually took twitter's

00:33:58.760 dating advice yeah drove across the country and stopped at uh gas stations in the middle of nowhere

00:34:04.780 trying to find a wife and yeah again this is uh probably you know maybe suspended uh you know i

00:34:10.120 just can't find it in fact searching gas station wife on twitter brings up some weird stuff don't

00:34:14.660 don't do it but um you know at the end of the day yeah twitter has like there's a lot of terrible

00:34:19.260 advice out there um and it's oftentimes people they're not giving you the advice that worked for

00:34:26.580 them um it would be like connor here if he were to tell you that yeah you don't have to only advocate

00:34:33.220 for what worked for you if you were to say don't try the apps the apps don't work you need to and

00:34:38.600 then you created some like scenario in your head that you think sounds good that nevertheless like

00:34:44.480 you don't know if it's ever worked for anyone like yeah if you were the guy saying yeah don't try the

00:34:48.660 apps you want to just drive across the country and just hit on random women at bus stops that's how 1.00

00:34:53.480 it's going to work it'd be like well what did you do like it wasn't that so uh yeah a lot of people

00:34:58.640 are giving advice that they just didn't take and yeah i mean as as to like what the right

00:35:04.620 solution i don't know i think people are coping and they're trying to think outside of the box

00:35:09.560 and you know it is social media so social media often uh you know rewards novelty even if you have

00:35:15.380 a take that's so you know bad that people just everyone's dunking on it okay well like sometimes

00:35:20.980 people get put on the map that way sometimes people you know no no shade to soul bra for example but

00:35:26.120 you know his first big thing on the scene was the soul bra cookbook and it was like 40 40 pages and

00:35:32.200 it would be like one of the things would be like sushi you know sushi's great you've got good macros

00:35:37.020 and then like you know you can go buy it at a number of different places and that would that would be

00:35:41.260 like the page for sushi and people everyone was just like this is ridiculous but people were like

00:35:45.500 this is kind of funny next thing you know soul bra is like a big name yeah i don't know i like his

00:35:49.340 posts it's it's no shade to him but um you know some of this bad dating advice that you're seeing out

00:35:55.280 there part of it is people probably thinking like you know this will get people talking this will get

00:36:00.060 me some traction yeah and they're all dependent on like best case scenario outcomes but it's usually

00:36:04.640 not the case like okay yeah maybe one guy met his wife in a shell station in utah yeah maybe all of

00:36:09.920 a sudden this is the prescription it's like generally not and this problem exists with everything is they

00:36:14.420 give these blanket prescriptions of like i think everyone's looking for a hack to sort of subvert the

00:36:19.280 conventional um you know life tracks but these require like very specific things to occur in order

00:36:26.460 for them to work out i mean like this this has been sort of litigated at ad nauseum but it's true is

00:36:32.200 like you're talking about where people give advice they don't even take is you see all these people in

00:36:36.920 the conservative space that are like don't go to college and just like have a ton of kids and these

00:36:41.560 sorts of things and then you like analyze their resume and they have like a master's they have like two kids

00:36:45.780 typically and it's because in order for that to work which you know if you play your cards right

00:36:50.620 that you will develop quite a nice life for yourself you need some like really specific chips to fall

00:36:56.260 where generally like uh it's still probably worth it to go to college and it's still probably worth it to

00:37:03.380 um be a bit more uh cautious with uh with who you marry um because we have large proportion of the

00:37:11.780 population that has done those things maybe not influenced by twitter but has have done those

00:37:15.860 things in application and uh they have a really rough rough go at it um but yeah it's just it's

00:37:21.860 really infuriating to see that that prescription it's specifically the college thing it drives me

00:37:27.100 crazy i mean like and again i'm not i i'm in total agreement with the problems with the college system

00:37:32.660 but like encouraging guys to just completely retreat from that space i think is going to cause

00:37:37.820 a lot of guys problems and um yeah i mean i don't know if you guys have have thoughts on on that

00:37:44.580 specifically but it's just it's bizarre to see guys who have had a very conventional life track try to

00:37:51.100 give this like super esoteric knowledge that again only works in specific applications it's it's the

00:37:56.040 inverse of rob henderson's concept of luxury beliefs it's like lumpenpro beliefs and where they're

00:38:00.880 extolling they're basically extolling something to then covertly compete with other people for the

00:38:06.560 same opportunities and yet again it's a very feminine way of doing things like to tie it into 1.00

00:38:10.800 something that's running concurrent to discourse that we can't show on screen because it would

00:38:14.720 violate youtube 2s but the the infamous sydney sweeney basically transparent dress that's been

00:38:20.340 um glorifying can we pull that up on uh stream real quick no i'm kidding but i saw this amazing post

00:38:29.300 about women disliking it um not just the photo of the one woman that was like staring a death stare

00:38:34.900 into her cleavage yeah it was like she was getting like mugged in real time um which is obvious female 1.00

00:38:40.520 covert competition but there was a post that articulated that said she's she's done the worst

00:38:44.680 possible thing with being classically attractive in america's sweetheart while also making nudity

00:38:50.340 possible and she's broken chesterton's bra because the idea is that now there's going to be an arms race

00:38:56.640 to appeal to to men with like perfect breast size and other women are going to hate her for it and not be 1.00

00:39:03.340 able to compete and so it's just going to get completely out of hand and it's it's the same

00:39:07.000 thing right everyone's covertly competing for the same resources the same people and so very little

00:39:13.280 advice on the internet you're going to get is going to be sincere unless you've already gotten the last

00:39:17.860 chopper out of non um so i feel capable to impart it and lots of people are going to capitalize on

00:39:23.240 the seething resentment that they've got by telling you by setting up an entire podcast infrastructure that

00:39:28.280 says hey you know don't bother don't bother going to church they're all going to be 0.64

00:39:31.520 hideous feminists don't bother working out the game's rigged against you instead sit around and 1.00

00:39:36.520 watch these only fans girls be told about how their lifestyle is awful while we're also you know 0.99

00:39:41.360 actually covertly advertising their wares to you and paying them to come on the show so i yeah basically

00:39:47.060 unplug from discourse is my is my it's not great sales pitch to have on a podcast but you know it's

00:39:51.820 helpful yeah well you see this weird thing uh where um it seems to be more pronounced with women but it 1.00

00:39:59.640 does exist with men too is they grow increasingly frustrated with the uh the competition and then

00:40:04.660 they just nuke their own sex appeal um as like some sort of some sort of mechanism this this is really

00:40:09.960 persistent on the left obviously where you know the classic trope of like the blue-haired feminists or 1.00

00:40:15.240 whatever like the reason they're doing that is because they find um they've come to a point where they

00:40:20.040 find the concept that a male would find them attractive so repulsive that they just kind of nuke their own

00:40:25.640 sex appeal by by and large yeah it's um i'm still thinking about the sydney sweeney comment because

00:40:33.480 that's uh i i have this question it just went through my mind like seeing another timeline not

00:40:38.260 that i sought it out but just everyone was retweeting it and talking about that how is it legal to go

00:40:42.720 outside like that that's what's crossing my mind i'm like you're basically naked um do we need to do

00:40:48.500 we need to go like full trad and uh demand that she's uh thrown in prison is that would that be a 1.00

00:40:53.320 a message that resonates uh with america should uh jd vance run on that in 28

00:40:57.800 i'm joking for the record but yeah i was just like how is that how is that possible so the thing is

00:41:04.480 you keep referencing uh shall we say different uh cultural ethnic backgrounds and their

00:41:09.360 you know their traditional uh understandings of of what men and and women are and you really do

00:41:16.960 see that and in kind of the the poa uh sort of andrew tate sphere where it's it's a sort of level

00:41:24.980 of resentment toward when type of resentment toward women that comes from people who you know cultures

00:41:31.800 that don't have you know the same level of uh you know marriage rates uh you know out of wedlock births 0.78

00:41:40.200 are higher um you know dads don't stick around as often so you're raised by a single mother who

00:41:46.440 a is you know demanding that you act like a sort of caricature of why it's basically what

00:41:52.520 you know the maybe the average woman thinks a man should be you know a man should be you know the guy 0.79

00:41:57.560 who uh never gives me the ick he's always you know that's how you end up with this like cartoonish

00:42:01.520 conceptions of masculinity someone who's going to try to stab you for stepping on his shoe by accident

00:42:07.740 but uh you know abandon his kids and won't uh you know can't can't put food on the table for a

00:42:12.700 family so these sorts of things are very backward and we absolutely should be on guard against these 1.00

00:42:18.100 sorts of values that by the way you don't have to be white to accept these basic first world uh values

00:42:23.860 we should be on guard against these values seeping into the actual right um because these sorts of

00:42:30.300 things starting to emulate uh sort of third world uh sexual relations uh obviously is a recipe for 0.69

00:42:36.700 disaster when phrased that way i hope everyone i can agree and see why so you've done a good job

00:42:42.660 of drawing attention to that both of you had yeah yeah it's kind of it's the flip side of the the

00:42:47.760 irony poisoning that's persistent is like doubling down on like caricatures of of what these like what

00:42:53.900 a super serious person would look like when the answer is just kind of behaving normally like that's

00:42:59.640 that's the answer that's the anecdote um yeah i well i think that's kind of the problem with the

00:43:05.180 the trad thing is uh there's almost an over calculation where then you just become really

00:43:10.060 weird because like the reality is in the united states you know the the majority of americans are

00:43:15.020 evangelicals they're they're attending sort of these baptist non-denom mega churches and they're finding

00:43:20.120 value in it and i think um you know i think yes there's a lot of obviously a lot of problems with

00:43:25.820 with these sorts of arrangements but yeah people are kind of over correcting and they're embracing

00:43:29.760 um people that are politically aspirant um are embracing sort of a form of traditional christianity

00:43:38.180 that is really foreign and kind of strange to americans i think this is why charlie kirk

00:43:42.980 specifically resonated with so many americans is because he sort of came out of that world he came

00:43:48.240 out of that evangelical world and met people where they were at even though he obviously um took it

00:43:54.280 very seriously he knew theology you know like some of these theological arguments like like you know

00:43:58.040 like the back of his hand but um yeah there's kind of this weird thing that happens on the on the

00:44:01.800 right where guys over correct and embrace really uh sort of almost foreign positions but i guess why i

00:44:11.220 was reminded of that is yeah um the embrace of like the third world sort of uh view of of masculinity

00:44:17.980 is not helpful but i think even like in our own space um this this this trad thing while it's good

00:44:24.000 and worthwhile and should be pursued uh you you often see over corrections where they just start

00:44:29.020 to look down on middle americans and i think this problem has persisted in american society for a long

00:44:35.080 time where like you know there's this uh sort of tension between the coastal elite and the middle

00:44:40.360 middle americans i think it's actually kind of emerging on the right to some degree where you have

00:44:45.260 these guys who feel like they've unlocked this hidden knowledge and now they begin to look down on like

00:44:50.460 evangelicals um when in reality i mean evangelicals provide the majority of the trump base they vote

00:44:56.380 for trump or republicans at large or like dictatorial numbers like 80 90 percent yeah and i just don't

00:45:01.340 see it like particularly helpful um to just completely write them off to completely like look down i think

00:45:08.080 it's just bizarre um no it's absolutely not the right move i mean there are generational differences

00:45:14.040 religious differences between a boomer evangelical and a zoomer or you know even millennial catholic or

00:45:21.780 even agnostic uh right winger or even protestant right winger uh because we've seen the polls and

00:45:27.700 dispensationalist uh theology is not as popular among younger evangelicals younger protestants maybe just in

00:45:35.580 general but and i think that points to the fact that this whole like kind of boomer evangelical

00:45:39.620 sort of status quo was really the product of specific circumstances and factors that don't

00:45:49.120 really exist anymore um when you so when you see like mike huckabee talking about uh singing

00:45:54.160 swinging uh sweet home jerusalem uh on stage uh you know that's that's uh i feel like it's kind of

00:46:00.660 almost like a time capsule because that yeah these people are still around but like that era

00:46:04.560 is ending and um i think a lot of younger people hearing just hearing the way that generation talks

00:46:12.160 especially that subset of that generation um is kind of why the discourse has gotten very crazy

00:46:17.800 but to the question of like yeah even white evangelicals are the backbone of the republican

00:46:23.100 party i don't have to agree with them on every issue um but the idea that these people look if you're

00:46:29.520 just bashing like punching down on uh you know salt of the earth middle american white people

00:46:36.260 as a right winger not just like disagreeing with you know maybe some ideas or attitudes they have

00:46:41.440 then you really have to ask yourself how you're fundamentally any different from uh kind of the

00:46:46.460 anti-white left because an anti-white left you know these people they're not bashing you know the

00:46:52.680 white people in this coalition they're not bashing each other right it's uh there's kind of a

00:46:56.100 a class in culture and even religious uh these sorts of dimensions to that form of uh anti-whiteness

00:47:02.520 so yeah yeah well because you're seeing um as the evangelical sort of world uh sort of comes out of

00:47:10.940 that like you're talking about that boomer evangelicalism huckabee ism you're still seeing

00:47:14.640 the infusion of conservatism within the evangelical world like it's still very pronounced um like this is

00:47:22.400 kind of a side but i think it was actually kind of important was um forest frank he's a music artist

00:47:26.660 he's emerged out of the evangelical world his music is um you know huge in the evangelical world he's

00:47:33.040 like you know he's an a-lister if you uh if you grew up in these types of churches and it's primarily

00:47:37.820 young people obviously that listen to his music and uh following the assassination of charlie kirk he

00:47:43.340 came out and he was like this is horrible you know like the the violence out of control and these

00:47:46.880 sorts of things it was it was a message that indicated that that infusion of or yeah that kind

00:47:54.280 of interest that infusion of conservatism is still very prevalent in the evangelical church even as it

00:47:59.040 kind of exits that as it existed before and um yeah it's just not worthwhile to like try to nitpick

00:48:07.100 these people because it's going to be around it's a form of christianity um that really makes sense that

00:48:14.520 it exists in the united states because in many ways it is downstream from a lot of the values that sort

00:48:19.980 of animated americans for the longest time yeah yeah that's why i thought that was interesting that

00:48:24.000 okay yes there's kind of this shift away from like dispensational theology um in the evangelical church

00:48:29.320 but that infusion of conservatism is still there it's still pronounced and it reflects well um of

00:48:36.220 evangelical values that it kind of just naturally one-to-one and so yeah that's why i think it's kind of

00:48:42.500 kind of bizarre this this over correction that we're seeing among right wingers that are sort of

00:48:48.380 aspirational elite even if they're not quite there yet um it just doesn't seem productive or beneficial

00:48:54.620 in any way just keep in mind when you bash white evangelicals you you just imagine richard hanania do

00:49:01.340 it that's basically what you're that's that you're you are richard hanania for those five to ten seconds

00:49:06.700 that those cursed utterances leave your mouth or you type them out uh the spirit of richard hanania

00:49:12.920 he like astral projects and he like takes over and like that's some like bad stuff man you don't want

00:49:18.780 to be doing that so yeah yeah totally well i mean yeah connor i don't think this dynamic quite exists

00:49:23.640 in the uk i think the divide is mostly just religious versus non-religious well so the problem

00:49:29.300 with the uk is we don't really have a reservoir among the general population of religious or christian

00:49:36.580 feeling it's actually kind of the inverse like the the the draft kings americans that you're talking

00:49:42.040 about is you know we have quite a large culture a working class culture that shouldn't be scorned but

00:49:48.580 it's not necessarily healthy for them of drinking and going down betting shops and you know knowing at

00:49:53.560 least one person who's on welfare or benefits in our country uh watching the football and

00:49:58.820 your engagement with politics or moral philosophy is you know i like the pub i like my family i like

00:50:06.620 my country i'll put a flag up simple as and they're sort of the earth people and they're pretty good but

00:50:10.700 it means that they're up until a point susceptible to media manipulation this is why they've tried to

00:50:17.260 roll out this like the the guy from the opening scene of seven as a as an influencer now basically his

00:50:23.080 name is big john and all he does is eat the chinese takeaways and his entire argument on the

00:50:26.760 mainstream media is oh if you're racist i can't have a curry every day so therefore infinity for malians

00:50:32.620 and it's like well okay the fact that they feel like this will wash means that there isn't a strong

00:50:37.780 bulwark of of thinking that there is you're on a spiritual mission outside of your immediate pleasures

00:50:42.760 but the one encouraging thing is is that the the guys that i know that are entering politics now

00:50:48.560 there's a there's a handful of like superficial grifters and that but they they're actually a lot

00:50:53.760 like charlie so they either don't drink or drink very little no drugs no hookups are engaged or in

00:50:59.520 committed relationships or are bullying their friends that can't get their act together and so

00:51:04.160 as a emerging vanguard leadership class in academia media politics etc they're a lot more virtuous and a lot

00:51:11.560 less compromised than the politicians of yesteryear who who cosplayed as right-wingers but were

00:51:17.480 degenerate liberals who just wanted the non-judgment of their particular vices be it you know sexual or

00:51:23.460 powdered or in the bottom of a bottle and so the the driving force in our country in on the right

00:51:31.120 is christianity even though you've got outlets that are more on a tech bro right side of things

00:51:38.240 like so there's a there's a decent outlet actually on substat there's a publication called pimlico journal

00:51:42.220 and i've never picked a fight with them and i like some of their publications but they've sniped at

00:51:45.680 me a few times and i'm just like okay guys you know we're meant to be on the same side here if you

00:51:49.680 want to nip heels i think it's counterproductive but they put out a piece the other day being like

00:51:53.660 against the christian right and they named me and uh another patriot we'll have to have on the show

00:51:57.840 sometime charlie downs as being the the faces of a christian nationalism that will never wash with

00:52:03.460 the public and it's like okay guys if you if you recognize that demographic fodder leads into

00:52:11.280 democratic momentum with the muslims do you not realize that the fact that myself and downs and

00:52:18.600 literally a handful of other people are all the british right has to offer in terms of media

00:52:23.580 presence and therefore the conversions to things like catholicism growing among our cohort is indicative

00:52:29.700 of a trend that will especially in politics because they're politically and philosophically engaged

00:52:34.920 have an outsized presence on the politics of the future especially in reaction to the death cult

00:52:39.480 leading our country that has just liberalized abortion at all times up to birth and instituted 0.55

00:52:44.100 canadian style made in our country like can you not foresee that this is a trend that's gonna

00:52:48.140 gonna happen i'm glad it's an encouraging trend but the people that are trying to like stick this

00:52:52.620 stick the spokes in the wheels are just as unhelpful as the people that are pandering to

00:52:57.000 the anti-white third world who have just come online on the internet in the last few years

00:53:00.500 and will end up making them a lot of ad revenue if they focus on you know things like israel

00:53:04.860 palestine rather than the problems in their own country yeah yeah absolutely well guys i don't know if

00:53:10.440 we provided a specific prescription for finding your your boo your boo thing but um hopefully we

00:53:18.040 were able to drill down a little bit more on some of these dynamics that are being discussed because

00:53:21.580 yeah i mean you're twitter specifically and most people watching are you know political people so

00:53:26.080 they're probably seeing a lot of the same things it's almost like there's a vested interest in

00:53:30.340 sticking a thumb in the already existing um divide between the two genders i mean comes to mind is 0.99

00:53:38.300 the postpartum body discourse that existed like two weeks ago where women on twitter got this idea 0.85

00:53:44.660 in their head that men are like uniquely disturbed by the postpartum body which any married man i've

00:53:50.700 spoken to just says like i didn't even know that was really like a thing that people were concerned

00:53:55.060 about yeah um but yeah i think like look the only prescription that can really be applicable would

00:54:01.500 be not to black pill not to engage in anything because look the rift is there it's obvious there's a

00:54:06.120 huge problem but um it's not really worth giving these people you just really just mute these

00:54:11.700 people when you see them is uh these people that are really attempting to capitalize on the divide

00:54:16.240 that uh is is there and is very prevalent and probably won't close um for a little while so

00:54:22.600 it's worthwhile to circumvent it worthwhile to mute the people that are trying to drive you crazy

00:54:29.300 i think that's uh that's definitely worthwhile but uh you two gentlemen i got to give closing

00:54:35.540 thoughts and uh where people can find you if they want more okay uh closing thoughts yeah my

00:54:41.820 advice would be that you need to be a leader before you get in your relationship and so black 1.00

00:54:46.880 pilling removes your agency and therefore makes you incapable of being said leader in your relationship

00:54:53.060 which is what all is going to be attracted to and it creates a vicious circle so yeah agree don't

00:54:57.460 black pill uh as far as plugs find me on x posting about how the fall of my country is ongoing at

00:55:04.140 con underscore tomlinson connor tomlinson on substack youtube etc and i'm glad that we've got the show

00:55:10.080 off to a good start where we are just going to be like the terminally online among the anglosphere

00:55:14.000 because yeah we need our representation like someone had to do it an outlet yeah someone had to speak

00:55:19.580 for the people that are aspirational chud maxers i think it's a really you know huge audience that 1.00

00:55:25.360 just needs to be tapped into they need their voice um they need a voice so i think that's what we're

00:55:29.540 here for hopefully providing some insights there but pat where can people well closing thoughts and

00:55:34.480 then where people can find you sure closing thoughts well you mentioned that we maybe didn't give the

00:55:40.140 clearest set of prescriptions for how to deal with this uh sort of sexual dysfunction and uh you know

00:55:46.960 the the dysfunction between the sexes i should say and yeah we talked to i think i think i like that 0.97

00:55:52.740 connor mentioned that the dating apps can work as long as you i'd say even if you don't have like

00:55:57.320 you haven't cracked the code to find you know only you're only show you the the uh you know the

00:56:02.700 aspiring trad wife so to speak that it's still yeah i meet people all the time that have uh you know

00:56:07.760 wonderful relationships that turn into marriages that they met on dating apps i mean you really get

00:56:12.340 what you put into it um and especially for guys i don't think every woman on there is just looking to

00:56:17.360 like have tons of promiscuous sex i mean some are probably but i think that a lot of the women 1.00

00:56:22.740 lonely um and they just like they end up feeling bad about it whereas it probably is a little more 0.90

00:56:27.520 the case that uh you know it's guys on there that are that are trying to uh sleep with as many women

00:56:32.360 or pot as as possible but um yeah i would say that you got to keep in mind you you can meet people of

00:56:38.960 the opposite sex in so many different places um but generally speaking if you have something going for

00:56:43.880 you in terms of your career education um and you also have a social life that these things often will

00:56:49.620 just fall into place um and i think you have to avoid the traps uh that people fall into these

00:56:55.260 days which is um you know just think you're just kicking the can down the road till you're uh till

00:57:00.180 you're in your 30s and now i'm 30 and unmarried but i've been in a relationship with a wonderful

00:57:03.980 woman for a few years so it's heading in the right direction but um you know you definitely don't want 1.00

00:57:09.420 to kick the can down the road especially ladies you know just wait till you you know finish your grad 1.00

00:57:13.080 degree get five years into your your career it's um you know some people still find success when that

00:57:18.620 you know works out when we do things that way but you know these are things you want to you want to

00:57:23.640 solve uh sooner rather than later and a lot of people who are kicking the can down the road are

00:57:28.180 probably missing out on opportunities that are right in front of them but like we said you know

00:57:32.860 people you know sometimes people meet their wife or husband at church i don't think that happens quite

00:57:37.640 as often as people on twitter would make it out to be although i have a few friends that have that

00:57:43.820 have been fortunate enough in that sense so it's it's less like there's one good place where all of

00:57:49.500 the uh eligible bachelors or bachelorettes can be found and it's more that the decisions that you make

00:57:56.040 every day will determine whether or not you find yourself in those good positions and whether or not

00:58:01.680 you're someone for this applies to both men and women uh that that someone of quality is going to be

00:58:06.680 interested in marrying um so it's about kind of becoming that person yeah totally and um yeah

00:58:12.780 yeah but if people want to find the uh my work they can go to patrickcasey.com that's where the

00:58:16.700 substack is and they can follow my work uh on twitter at at restore order usa thank you i love it dude

00:58:23.780 thank you so much yeah totally agreed get it buttoned up uh you know i i got on hinge and the age

00:58:29.660 parameters were set pretty high and uh yeah the the millennial crowd looks like gangas khan ran through the

00:58:34.360 place i don't know what's going on but it's going to be really bleak when the consequences of some of

00:58:39.580 these social changes uh really hit home for millennials uh especially you know especially

00:58:44.780 for the liberal ones you know people they they find themselves in their 40s and they're just going

00:58:48.480 out to you know regardless of how successful they're just going out to bars and doing the trivia

00:58:52.660 nights and whatever you know once they start getting laid and you know once people start kind of

00:58:56.420 realizing especially for women um that it's kind of too late to really have the life that they

00:59:01.860 eventually decide that they want to have it's it's going to be bleak so uh don't be a don't be a

00:59:07.080 psychic casualty don't be a casualty in general of uh the insane times that we find ourselves in you

00:59:12.500 got to tune into this show uh in subsequent episodes uh of course to get the full uh the

00:59:17.700 full remedy to all the madness so taylor swift also needs to have her first kid to instigate 1.00

00:59:22.460 baby rabies across millennial yeah everyone just adopted the travis kelsey riz and everything

00:59:27.940 everything will fall into place but uh yeah thank you guys very much for watching this

00:59:32.460 i guess initial episode of our panel style discussion i don't we gotta we gotta wrench on

00:59:37.040 the the uh branding for these specific things a little more but uh thank you very much for

00:59:40.540 watching if you want to find me you can follow me on x and instagram at real tape brown and we

00:59:45.240 will be back next week with a whole slate of tim cast content for you guys

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - November 09, 2025

The Gen Z Gender Divide Is Real ft. Patrick Casey ｜ Across The Pond

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