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00:00:30.000 Hello, Patriots, and welcome back to Across the Pond for the Sunday edition

00:00:33.800 where I, Conor Somnorson, and my co-host Tate Brown are joined by a guest.

00:00:38.880 This week, we thought we would treat you to a perspective from over the opposite side of the Atlantic

00:00:44.540 to me and bring in our friend Oron McIntyre.

00:00:47.380 We did promise to be a Zoomer show, but Oron is the sort of podcaster's podcaster for the online rights.

00:00:52.600 We're always privileged to have his takes.

00:00:53.860 Oron, how are you doing, sir?

00:00:55.540 I appreciate you making an exception, bringing Unk in, you know, really. 1.00

00:01:00.000 I can talk to the kids and, you know, tell them what it was like when the dinosaurs roamed the Earth.

00:01:04.620 I really appreciate you guys reaching out to the older generation.

00:01:07.620 Yeah, we wanted to get, like, preparation for dealing with our disagreeable family members

00:01:11.520 right around the Christmas dinner table, so you're, like, our training exercise.

00:01:15.140 Yeah, Tate, how are you doing?

00:01:16.800 I'm doing good, brother.

00:01:17.920 How are you doing?

00:01:18.620 Yeah, we're all hunkering down and weathering our respective political storms, but I'll get

00:01:24.520 on to the UK stuff in a moment.

00:01:27.660 Oron, you had an excellent tweet out earlier, which is why we've brought you on, about how

00:01:34.080 the GOP can never hope to win if it continues ceding ground to its enemies.

00:01:38.500 Do you mind elaborating on that theory?

00:01:40.120 Sure, just a lot of people looking at what's going on with the right right now.

00:01:46.580 We have Republicans refusing to pull the trigger on redistricting.

00:01:50.240 They're not passing Trump's nominees into the cabinet, into the wider executive branch.

00:01:56.380 Just very easy stuff, very obvious stuff, easy wins that they should be picking up, and

00:02:01.140 yet they completely refuse to do so.

00:02:03.520 And the thing we hear over and over again is it's about principle.

00:02:06.220 It's the principles that they really are upholding that are keeping them from taking these victory

00:02:12.180 laps.

00:02:12.760 And at some point, we have to just admit that either the GOP is just controlled opposition,

00:02:19.540 it's simply not a real party, and we have a uniparty in the United States.

00:02:24.220 Or if we really do think the GOP is at some level opposition, then we have to ask, why is

00:02:30.220 it so committed to principles that routinely produce complete losses, complete failures,

00:02:36.220 and seem to have no connection to actual moral understandings?

00:02:40.520 Well, what is it about the GOP?

00:02:42.280 And it's kind of the way it processes information that it ultimately continually comes back to

00:02:49.000 these conclusions.

00:02:50.060 And if we are going to continue to pretend that these principles that make it impossible

00:02:55.720 to win in every scenario are actually features of conservatism, then we need to ask harder

00:03:01.040 questions, right?

00:03:01.900 Are these principles that conservatives actually developed?

00:03:05.100 Is this really what we believe in?

00:03:06.820 Or have we been told that this is actually the way that conservatives behave by a media

00:03:11.760 apparatus that wants us to lose over and over again?

00:03:14.880 It's not like we don't know how to solve many of these problems, immigration, crime. 1.00

00:03:19.060 We know what's going on with this, and we know how to fix it.

00:03:22.140 But once again, we always hear about how the principles are ultimately keeping us and restricting

00:03:27.740 us from these critical actions.

00:03:29.800 And if that's going to be the status quo in the United States, obviously the right will

00:03:34.360 lose over time.

00:03:35.920 Yeah.

00:03:36.140 Well, I saw this week, the discourse Trump has really been emphasizing the issue with

00:03:41.780 the blue slips system, obviously where a single senator in the state where a judge is

00:03:47.640 being appointed, a single senator can issue this blue slip, which then effectively instructs

00:03:54.420 Congress to not approve of this judge appointment.

00:03:57.760 This has been going on in New Jersey recently.

00:04:00.300 And Chuck Grassley, the Republican who's beyond unk, I think he's, I don't know, grand unk at

00:04:05.900 this point.

00:04:06.780 He said basically like, look, the blue slips, it's part of our principles.

00:04:10.460 It makes it great.

00:04:11.340 Like during the Biden administration, we utilized it to prevent judge appointments.

00:04:15.200 And it's like, do these guys not realize we're getting shot at?

00:04:18.620 Do these guys not realize that our country has been completely overtaken by illegal immigrants 1.00

00:04:23.800 and legal immigrants?

00:04:24.900 Do they not realize that like our inheritance is being robbed for our very own eyes?

00:04:28.720 It's these people just have no sense of what time it is whatsoever.

00:04:32.100 And they're just petrified, I think, ultimately of being looked down upon by the writers over

00:04:38.200 at Politico.

00:04:38.980 And it just completely paralyzes them.

00:04:41.220 It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

00:04:43.840 And it's going to destroy our country.

00:04:46.640 I made this point.

00:04:47.500 I made this point yesterday.

00:04:48.840 It's like if the Trump administration fails, we kind of ran out of time 10 years ago.

00:04:53.880 So if the Trump administration fails, it's legitimately over.

00:04:57.280 And these people just do not understand what is going on.

00:05:02.500 I really hope they don't understand what's going on, because if they understand what's

00:05:05.780 going on and they're behaving in this way, then that is something that's going to be

00:05:09.680 have to be accounted for by the almighty, quite frankly.

00:05:14.480 Well, it's one of those scenarios where you think about what the parties stand for, in

00:05:19.500 theory, right?

00:05:20.540 The Democratic Party stands for government intervention programs, building things, handing

00:05:28.040 out jobs, redistributing wealth.

00:05:30.700 What are every one of these things?

00:05:32.820 These are ways to access power.

00:05:34.640 The Democratic Party is literally an ideological nexus of ways to justify wielding power.

00:05:40.920 What are conservatives against?

00:05:43.000 Big government, government growth, oversight, handing out any kind of welfare in any of these

00:05:50.380 things that would build power.

00:05:52.380 What are Republicans ideologically opposed to?

00:05:54.840 Holding power.

00:05:55.920 So when you have one party whose entire ideology is literally everything we do is justified because

00:06:03.940 it gains us power, and one party whose principles say, we can't ever take power under any circumstances,

00:06:11.860 who wins, right?

00:06:13.000 Like, this is not, there's nothing about this that is confusing.

00:06:16.660 The question you want to ask is, why did the GOP become a nexus of ways to not hold power?

00:06:22.260 It's easy to understand why the Democrats were drawn to power, right?

00:06:25.560 But what is it about the conservative structure of the movement?

00:06:29.720 And I think that, again, this largely goes to ideology.

00:06:32.440 This is what happens when conservatism stops conserving a people and a place and a way

00:06:37.560 of life, and instead tries to conserve some classical liberal abstraction of the way that

00:06:44.720 ideally government should operate.

00:06:46.980 Government should operate in the way that serves the people.

00:06:49.440 Now, because we are a particular people with a particular way of being, there is a set of

00:06:53.780 values that does inform how we should operate, but ultimately the reason to adhere to those

00:06:59.340 values is the well-being of the people.

00:07:01.600 So if there's a scenario in which tying up the federal government benefits the people,

00:07:07.060 then we do it.

00:07:08.260 If there's a way in which actually it's just better to get rid of a judge or get rid of

00:07:13.760 some obstacle that is allowing large amounts of violent, illegal immigrants to continue 1.00

00:07:19.960 to stay in the country, well, we should get rid of that because that's bad for the people. 0.93

00:07:24.320 By having that as our North Star instead of ideology, we avoid this abstraction and this

00:07:29.840 creation of a nexus of rejecting power in every place and every time.

00:07:34.640 But I think we've embraced that, and that is one of the huge problems we have.

00:07:37.940 The literal conservative identity is we lose.

00:07:41.040 That's what they believe.

00:07:42.600 It's not sufficient enough to be a handbrake on your enemy's revolution.

00:07:46.100 You actually have to have a destination in mind.

00:07:48.600 And if you don't, I mean, the person who will then come to occupy the passenger seat

00:07:53.300 will definitely do this.

00:07:54.880 The example that I have brought to mind, because of your post where you say that the GOP hasn't

00:08:00.440 confirmed the large number of Trump's appointments, is that Jeremy Carl's appointment's been

00:08:04.000 held in limbo, and he is omnicompetent and understands the scourge of anti-white racism

00:08:09.980 embedded into civil rights law and DEI.

00:08:13.380 You know, he made his name off the book on that.

00:08:16.340 And he hasn't been appointed, but over at the civil rights division, you've got Harmeet

00:08:22.460 Dillon, who got up at NatCon and said, this isn't your granddad's civil rights department.

00:08:28.240 We're taking the fight to the Democrats, who are the real racists. 0.98

00:08:31.400 And as soon as you have the illegal Indian truckers, you know, killing people by doing 1.00

00:08:36.900 U-turns, she comes in and says, well, hold on a minute.

00:08:41.160 The real victims of this are the poor, innocent Sikh truckers who are getting a bad name because

00:08:47.120 so many of them are in the country illegally on visa overstays, on spurious trucking licenses,

00:08:54.720 and keep killing people in road accidents.

00:08:56.980 The real issue is that people who are noticing the problem are actually being too racist about

00:09:02.280 it from my own side.

00:09:03.280 So we need to cleave away people from the right rather than focusing on solving the problem 0.93

00:09:07.920 itself.

00:09:08.340 And you get to that position, and we've had the same thing in the UK, where in the early

00:09:13.260 2010s, the Conservative Party had been seismically defeated by Tony Blair's new Labour revolution,

00:09:19.780 and the long hangover of Margaret Thatcher was still on their minds.

00:09:24.860 And so the party chairman then was Theresa May, who ended up being the prime minister after

00:09:28.900 David Cameron abdicated over Brexit.

00:09:30.920 She said that we've become the nasty party.

00:09:32.640 So David Cameron, who wanted to become the next candidate, instituted all women and minority 1.00

00:09:36.900 shortlists to change the reputation of the party to be more diverse and progressive and

00:09:41.240 become the heirs to Blair.

00:09:42.700 And he hated the fact that they were all straight white men, you know, the natural voter base of 0.96

00:09:47.360 the Conservative movement. 0.95

00:09:48.540 And so over time, he filled his party with a complete group of incompetents or ethnic 0.99

00:09:53.640 malcontents who then lobbied to import more of their co-ethnics.

00:09:57.060 And hey, presto, you get the immigration policy that results in England having the same level 0.91

00:10:01.420 of legal migration as America every year.

00:10:03.760 And they do it all so that not just they can't be seen as not wanting to take power, but because

00:10:09.380 they don't want to be called mean names by their revolutionary enemies who will never engage

00:10:14.520 in a fair fight with them because they'd rather see them dead than succeed.

00:10:18.520 So not to be pedantic on this point, but I do think it actually matters a little bit in

00:10:22.360 how we operate here, at least in the United States.

00:10:25.440 It's important to understand that this is not the revolution.

00:10:29.300 This is the counter revolution.

00:10:31.400 And that matters.

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00:10:59.840 ...because of the way we behave with our institutions.

00:11:02.100 So one of the things that really messes up conservatives now is that we just constitutionally obviously

00:11:10.700 want to conserve our institutions.

00:11:13.320 Institutions are what makes a society, right?

00:11:15.860 These are the things that are supposed to help us scale up our civilization and impart

00:11:19.820 that generational knowledge, beliefs, traditions, all these things, norms, values to a wider

00:11:25.380 population, many of which need to assimilate because they maybe didn't come from those values,

00:11:29.720 these kind of things.

00:11:30.160 This is what we rely on institutions for when you're a scaled up civilization.

00:11:35.340 The problem is those institutions are all now captured by the left.

00:11:39.080 All of them, all of them.

00:11:41.660 And conservatives just can't get past this.

00:11:44.660 So when a guy like Trump enters, he's the revolution.

00:11:47.860 He's trying to change things, right?

00:11:50.240 But the institutions are counter-revolutionary.

00:11:53.160 They are conserving.

00:11:54.740 They are actually the conservatives.

00:11:56.560 They are conserving the system as it is now.

00:11:59.400 The revolution already happened.

00:12:01.160 That's what conservatives don't get.

00:12:03.020 The revolution is over.

00:12:04.820 You lost.

00:12:05.960 The communists are in control.

00:12:07.620 They own the institutions.

00:12:09.560 They have the media influence.

00:12:12.020 So when you have the situation where Trump comes in and tries to change something, all

00:12:16.780 of these people who are advising, even the Republicans in the GOP, the standard understanding

00:12:23.360 in the Washington class, all pushes back against this, right?

00:12:27.400 Whether they're conservative or liberal, they are all functionally conservative in the sense

00:12:32.280 of they are counter-revolutionary.

00:12:33.780 They are trying to stop the MAGA revolution, and they are trying to keep the system at stasis,

00:12:39.360 right?

00:12:39.720 The conservatives don't want it to get too radical.

00:12:42.140 The leftists maybe do.

00:12:43.220 But they're all working to keep the thing in equilibrium around that kind of center of

00:12:49.580 kind of the post-left revolution that has conquered the United States.

00:12:53.300 So when we're looking at this, we should understand there's a reason that like Jeremy Carl doesn't go

00:12:57.680 through as where people of other demographics perhaps do, and the reason is that built into

00:13:02.880 the system, even under the conservative or Republican understanding, a female minority 1.00

00:13:08.640 member is far more deserving of being appointed, and you would never be caught dead pushing

00:13:13.080 back against her, especially in the Republican Party, as opposed to like some straight white

00:13:18.380 man, right?

00:13:18.940 Like that's the value that's still deeply encoded even in the right in the United States.

00:13:23.440 Well, yeah, because you're still seeing in the conservative world, we're still trying

00:13:28.340 to operate within the left's framework and beat them at their own game.

00:13:32.120 And then on the flip side, like you said, I don't think people fully accepted that the

00:13:35.920 rebellion, or rather the revolution, has concluded, and it was a roaring success for the left.

00:13:41.260 Because you'll see this thing where people on the right will say that they're disillusioned

00:13:45.880 with the institutions, they don't buy into it anymore.

00:13:48.540 Like you'll see critiques of Harvard saying, oh, it's just this woke school, da-da-da-da-da-da.

00:13:52.720 But if their child got into Harvard, they would have a Harvard dad bumper sticker, they would

00:13:57.120 be over the moon, they'd be like, my kid is so smart.

00:13:59.980 Because these institutions, they occupy such gravity in the American mind.

00:14:05.600 You can't just, you can't build a new one necessarily, but you certainly can't ignore

00:14:10.920 that these institutions, when they're captured, are a devastating blow to any movement that

00:14:15.500 is trying to gain power in the United States.

00:14:18.980 But to the earlier point with the framework, that's what's so frustrating seeing is this

00:14:25.080 continued doubling down on like, maybe we can just trick minorities into voting for 0.71

00:14:30.560 us.

00:14:30.960 And it's like, you can't step into that framework because the left just has it down.

00:14:34.580 They have these remittance networks built out for their voters to reward them for voting

00:14:40.120 for their party.

00:14:40.980 And the Republican Party, just because of our fiscal conservatism, can never compete with

00:14:45.440 that we can't, we should, but we can't build out that sort of infrastructure to reward our

00:14:50.700 voters.

00:14:51.200 The only way we really can do so is through economic victories.

00:14:54.460 And I think Trump has correctly identified this with the tariffs.

00:14:57.160 Obviously, we got some good news on the data as far as exports, imports goes.

00:15:03.600 The trade deficit is being chipped away at.

00:15:05.700 That, for us, is how we can sort of build out this patronage network for the Republican Party

00:15:12.980 voters.

00:15:14.280 But Trump and maybe a few other people in the party are the ones that really seem to understand

00:15:18.800 this.

00:15:19.260 Everyone else pays at lip service.

00:15:20.560 And then you have a whole contingent of the party that's even groveling and, or not

00:15:24.120 groveling, griping and complaining about the tariff regime because they just don't want

00:15:31.340 to build out this patronage network for voters.

00:15:34.660 They just want to continue to repackage these ideas.

00:15:38.800 And they're like, okay, well, maybe if we put a new face on there, then maybe black people 1.00

00:15:42.500 will finally vote for us.

00:15:43.640 And it's like, not how this works.

00:15:45.860 You can't compete with the left's patronage network.

00:15:50.280 Yeah, I mean, the simple fact is that the right and conservatives in the United States

00:15:54.500 have entirely bought into the holy minority myth, right? 0.72

00:15:57.320 Like, you don't, you're not valid, your opinion isn't valid unless a person of color is standing 1.00

00:16:03.300 in front of the stage saying it, right?

00:16:05.000 This is why, you know, just insane stuff is constantly handed off to, you know, who's 0.91

00:16:10.960 that, is it Rob Smith is the gay black guy, you know, who shows up on Fox News and all 0.91

00:16:16.920 these things. 0.66

00:16:17.360 He gave a speech a few weeks ago about how, you know, he's done having to hear about how

00:16:22.260 white Christian men have any value in the Republican Party. 0.96

00:16:25.500 The Republican Party is now a coalition of gays and Latinos and blacks and Somalians.

00:16:31.700 And this is what actually makes the Republican Party win now.

00:16:35.440 And that guy is not going to get canceled from anything.

00:16:38.540 He's not going to lose his ability to go on Fox News or whatever. 0.96

00:16:42.320 He can say all this insanely anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-straight man hatred. 0.99

00:16:48.240 He can spew his venom wherever he wants. 0.98

00:16:50.400 And he'll be the good, you know, ethnically diverse conservative on the next panel on Fox

00:16:56.000 News.

00:16:56.300 And everybody knows it.

00:16:57.700 And you can't, you can't operate with that level of just like complete blindness to where

00:17:03.800 you are and continue to think you're going to win any kind of cultural victory.

00:17:07.500 If the Republican Party can't reject a man like that, if they can't reject people who are

00:17:12.500 buying babies, who are involved in human trafficking, who are involved in pushing eugenics, if they 0.80

00:17:18.560 can't, if they can't gatekeep any of these people, then don't come to be about, oh, I can't believe

00:17:23.820 we're not gatekeeping like a Nick Fuentes or something like you won't gatekeep anyone and

00:17:28.180 everyone can see why, right?

00:17:29.800 Like, ultimately, this is the problem.

00:17:31.160 So the Republicans have just embraced this entirely.

00:17:34.020 And as you say, the structure of the party is designed, I think I would modify only to say

00:17:39.620 that it's not that there is no patronage network for the Republican Party.

00:17:43.520 It's that the patronage network is almost entirely based on foreign policy.

00:17:47.620 So the foreign policy patronage network is extremely strong in the conservative party.

00:17:53.980 This is why there's still this undercurrent of constant war, even though that's not what

00:17:57.760 the base wants.

00:17:58.560 MAGA doesn't want this. 1.00

00:17:59.860 But the Lindsey Grahams of the world are going to make sure that that paycheck keeps flowing 1.00

00:18:03.400 through.

00:18:04.040 There's plenty of defense contractors.

00:18:05.900 Trust me, nobody who's voting Republican voting for Ukraine is not getting money out of this

00:18:12.640 thing, right?

00:18:13.100 Like they all know they're spreading the money around and that money is coming back to them.

00:18:16.620 The patronage network exists.

00:18:17.920 It's just that the conservatives, because they have these stalwart, middle class, capable

00:18:22.980 voters who can actually, you know, like buy groceries and things without money from the government,

00:18:27.540 they can spend their patronage dollars instead of spending on like communities of people.

00:18:32.300 They can just throw it into these giant multinational corporations based on war because really their

00:18:38.720 voters are going to vote for them no matter what.

00:18:40.540 Yeah, the model minority myth thing is most evident in the fact that Vivek Ramaswamy keeps

00:18:46.940 failing upwards.

00:18:48.120 I mean, look, I know he basically got his start on Tim Costs because believe me, I listened

00:18:53.160 to the show for a very long time.

00:18:54.920 But it was very apparent that he was just saying what people wanted to hear until his Christmas

00:19:00.480 crash out when he said that, you know, you've got to be Steve Urkel and do more spelling

00:19:05.640 bees and math olympiads rather than, you know, having friends and playing football and doing

00:19:11.260 halo land parties as a kid.

00:19:13.980 And even so, even despite his clear ethno-nepotistic lobbying for H1Bs, he's currently running in 0.96

00:19:20.760 Ohio and he's flipped to what, R plus 10 state to now the Democrats leading him by a point.

00:19:25.620 And all she's had to do is see like she doesn't have seething contempt for white Americans and

00:19:30.160 their culture and their desire to go to the mall on a Sunday rather than rote learner

00:19:33.620 biology textbook. And it was an easy blunder the Republicans didn't need to make.

00:19:37.340 But because, I think for multiple reasons that I'll bring up in a moment, because they

00:19:42.760 are wedded to this need to validate all of their opinions through the mouth of a minority

00:19:48.640 that's, as Joe Biden would have said, clean and bright and articulate in order to not feel

00:19:52.820 racist, they will enact the exact same diversity policies in their own party while ostensibly

00:19:58.340 doing anti-woke things as their enemies want them to do.

00:20:01.100 And then they end up morphing into, if not a mirror image of their enemies, they accelerate

00:20:07.060 the gains of the revolution because rather than being a white leftist and having this

00:20:11.420 be an ideological motivation to flood your country through the third world migrants like 1.00

00:20:15.400 you're the ideologue in the first chapter of Camp of the Saints, instead, for second

00:20:20.520 generation immigrants or first generation immigrants in parties, this is just an instinct

00:20:23.760 to say, of course I would import my entire caste and clan and family and countrymen.

00:20:28.000 And so you actually get more coming in if you have a Priti Patel or a Rishi Sunak or a

00:20:32.300 Kemi Badenokh in charge of immigration policy.

00:20:34.260 And now we've got something going on in the UK, by the way, with Reform UK.

00:20:37.360 So they've just announced this new council candidate for Southampton, you know, very, very strong

00:20:42.900 Indian Bengali area.

00:20:44.400 And there's a guy called Adi Moe, which I assume is shortened for Mohammed, Azadu Zaman.

00:20:51.800 And he is here on a student meeting.

00:20:53.440 I don't know what's going on, but you casted a spell of some sort.

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00:21:48.520 I'm not sure what's going on.

00:21:50.580 Was that your Wi-Fi password you just read off?

00:21:52.740 What was that?

00:21:53.680 It was my favorite Star Wars character.

00:21:56.300 I thought it was a Jedi trainee.

00:21:59.300 These are not the candidates you're looking for.

00:22:01.240 But he is here on a student visa from Bangladesh, and the post announcing that he's going to

00:22:07.280 be a candidate literally said he plans to go back to his homeland someday, or he might

00:22:11.140 move to the Middle East.

00:22:12.340 But in the meantime, he wants to represent his community by standing as a councillor for

00:22:17.180 the Anti-Immigration Party.

00:22:18.780 And he announced his candidacy in Bengali on Facebook.

00:22:21.340 So he's clearly just a striver, noticing this is like the top party in the polls and glomming

00:22:25.760 himself onto it to, you know, have another thing to put on his LinkedIn, because for

00:22:28.940 some reason that's big in the subcontinent to, like, sort of boast about the number of

00:22:32.420 positions you've had to up your is at or something.

00:22:34.840 But why is the Anti-Immigration Party running this candidate?

00:22:37.740 Why are they entertaining this farce?

00:22:39.080 Why are they defending it?

00:22:40.220 It's because in the post-war moral order, to take the side of the indigenous population

00:22:44.220 of white people to say that actually heterosexual straight men, redundant, might be the best

00:22:50.060 political candidates because they, you know, won't have as much compromat on them like all 0.85

00:22:53.400 the gay staffers in DC or conservative politicians. 0.87

00:22:55.800 Well, that's leading down the road ineluctably to a closed society, Nazis and gas chambers.

00:23:01.440 And so we have to, in order to acquit ourselves of the accusations of racism and bigotry and

00:23:07.280 being the second incarnation of Adolf Hitler, we have to put up minority candidates even if 1.00

00:23:11.960 they aren't qualified and even if they indulge in anti-white rhetoric.

00:23:14.900 And we have to stand by the anti-white rhetoric to prove that we aren't racist by the terms

00:23:18.960 of our enemies that want to destroy our civilization.

00:23:20.880 And so you actually end up losing quicker and conceding to the revolution that your enemies

00:23:24.980 have already successfully waged, as you've said, or on, than if you had just given up

00:23:30.640 and let them win the election in the first place.

00:23:32.360 Yeah.

00:23:32.840 I mean, there's just a hard truth here that's unavoidable.

00:23:36.060 And it's that any noticing of patterns is a problem, right?

00:23:40.300 So the left doesn't have this issue because they go out there and they just acknowledge

00:23:44.440 that there are collective tribes.

00:23:46.120 There are collective groups.

00:23:47.320 They do have collective interests.

00:23:48.700 They behave in specific ways.

00:23:50.220 They have the right to lobby for those interests as a collectivity.

00:23:54.020 This is just the way that the world works for the left.

00:23:57.520 However, the right in the post-war consensus has been built on this idea that we have to

00:24:03.020 understand now radical individualism.

00:24:05.200 Now, as a good Anglo descendant, I've got a affinity for a certain level of individualism.

00:24:11.580 I don't want to live in kind of the longhouse tribal way of like an Indian structure, those 1.00

00:24:16.920 kind of things.

00:24:17.220 Like, I'm not looking necessarily for that level of collectivity.

00:24:20.680 But we at least, at the very least, have to be able to recognize that other people do

00:24:25.020 live in that way.

00:24:26.160 And that that way is real and it's valid and it's going to continue to exist whether we

00:24:30.880 like it or not.

00:24:31.680 So whether we feel the need for deep ethnic nepotism, other people's will.

00:24:37.240 And so the only way that we can interact with these peoples is with this base understanding

00:24:41.660 that ethnic nepotism is real, that ethnic nepotism is tied to specific cultures and ways of being,

00:24:48.480 and that we cannot, you know, just magically put these people on our soil and then dispel 0.67

00:24:54.200 the power of ethnic nepotism.

00:24:55.820 Like, no, this is built deeply into the core of their being, the core of their culture,

00:25:00.700 the core of their belief.

00:25:02.440 Yes, in all of these scenarios, there are probably a few people who can live our way.

00:25:07.820 And, you know, if they come here and for 30 years they live as one of us and they marry,

00:25:13.960 intermarry, and they understand our culture and absorb it, and they become like us, then

00:25:18.940 maybe their grandchildren can be part of our civilization.

00:25:22.120 This is how real integration worked throughout history, right?

00:25:26.440 And no culture was completely sealed off.

00:25:28.740 There was always some way for people to join the tribe, join the civilization, but it was

00:25:33.040 always multi-generational.

00:25:34.760 It was always something that involved a complete abandonment of your previous identity, a deep

00:25:39.880 immersion in the new one.

00:25:41.320 And it was always done on an individual basis.

00:25:43.780 It is always when you bring in large diasporas of foreign people into given civilizations that 1.00

00:25:49.700 this process absolutely fails.

00:25:52.020 And so the fact that we are continuing to look from the right at collective civilizations

00:25:57.280 like India and pretending that they do not have that level of ethnic nepotism baked deeply 1.00

00:26:02.860 into the substructure of the way that they think about things makes us vulnerable to them

00:26:08.240 leveraging that against us.

00:26:10.480 There's no shock to most people that 70% of H-1Bs come from India.

00:26:16.400 It's not because India just has all the best and smartest people.

00:26:19.880 It's because they hire people that look like them.

00:26:22.340 If you talk to anybody in the tech sector, they know that increasingly there are large chunks

00:26:26.900 of the sector that are completely dedicated to ethnic Indians.

00:26:32.240 It doesn't matter if you're qualified.

00:26:34.320 It just matters if you share a name with a guy or if you have a cousin connected to the

00:26:39.360 guy, that's all that matters.

00:26:40.600 And by the way, I'm going to say it, there's nothing wrong with that at the end of the

00:26:44.200 day.

00:26:44.560 It just shouldn't be happening in my country.

00:26:46.680 If these people weren't here, then their ethnic nepotism wouldn't be an issue.

00:26:50.340 But now that they are, we either have to crush that entirely or send them all back.

00:26:55.160 I'm just going to go with number two because one is almost impossible.

00:26:57.660 Like you actually need fascism if you want to, like you actually need to ideologically

00:27:02.120 brainwash these people and force them continuously to have a particular state ideology if you

00:27:07.200 actually want to crush that behavior out of them in one generation.

00:27:10.140 And I just don't want to do that.

00:27:11.180 Like I don't want to have that level of authoritarian structure to like just crush that impulse out

00:27:16.020 of these people.

00:27:16.700 So just don't have them here in the first place.

00:27:18.960 But also it's possible as well because that's premised on the idea that they are just fungible

00:27:22.260 blank slates and that through either osmosis or a government funded education program,

00:27:26.380 they could be just like us.

00:27:27.800 I don't think like rote learning Mark Twain or Shakespeare is going to overcome generations

00:27:34.900 of cousin marriage and make them as individualistic as you and me.

00:27:37.640 But sorry, take it away.

00:27:39.420 No, I was just saying is like, I mean, I think Wajahad Ali actually illustrated this very well,

00:27:44.000 this contrast between collectivism, these collectivist mentalities.

00:27:47.620 Like he's like, what he said is actually more useful for us than Rob Smith.

00:27:52.460 And they're almost like analogs in a way where Wajahad Ali was like bewildered.

00:27:56.020 He's like, why didn't you guys advocate for yourselves?

00:27:58.180 Like we came here and took over and like, you didn't really do anything about it.

00:28:01.280 Like what's wrong with you?

00:28:02.960 He was almost like trying to like help us out.

00:28:05.160 I mean, I know he was gloating, but he was like, seriously, like, why'd you let us in?

00:28:08.120 Like what's wrong with you?

00:28:09.300 Versus Rob Smith was like, no, we're going to like take over.

00:28:12.980 Like we're going to like force all these different people into the coalition.

00:28:16.360 And then you're going to be accountable to us.

00:28:17.980 And like, you know, heterosexuals and Christians, um, actually you're not allowed to advocate

00:28:23.160 for yourselves anymore.

00:28:24.000 So it was actually what Wajahad Ali was saying was actually a bit more useful in many ways,

00:28:29.400 but yeah, he totally ripped the mask off.

00:28:31.280 And I think that was really pertinent.

00:28:32.240 I don't know.

00:28:32.580 Was he Pakistani Indian?

00:28:34.340 It's all marginal.

00:28:35.380 It's all marginal over there anyway.

00:28:36.900 But, uh, yeah, it was like very salient.

00:28:40.000 I was watching that, like, actually Wajahad, like, thank you, dude.

00:28:42.700 We kind of needed to hear that.

00:28:43.920 Like that was some of the, one of the best videos, I think, to come out in recent times,

00:28:48.080 because that's ultimately the mentality of a lot of these people is they're almost bewildered

00:28:51.860 about how easy it is to take advantage of us.

00:28:54.820 And it's like Oran was alluding to is, I mean, like, look, uh, it's just the way, especially

00:28:59.240 Anglo specifically, um, sort of construct their societies is it's, uh, they don't advocate 1.00

00:29:05.220 in mass as a group.

00:29:06.300 And, um, there's certainly no ethnic nepotism, uh, it's actually the other way around is

00:29:11.540 I've, I've seen, I grew up in the evangelical community.

00:29:14.140 I am, I am a Protestant.

00:29:15.920 I grew up in the Southern Baptist church.

00:29:17.600 And you would often hear, um, a lot of these pastors, um, disgruntled with how white their

00:29:23.360 congregations were.

00:29:24.780 Um, they would often be trying to look for like a black face or a Hispanic face to lead 0.97

00:29:30.160 a ministry of some sort.

00:29:31.560 So they could, um, cause it was just like, it was almost shameful for them that their

00:29:36.040 entire congregation, um, sort of was the same community broadly, which makes sense.

00:29:41.400 That's just how human nature is.

00:29:42.660 Um, but I just remembered here, like hearing this over and over again, it was almost the

00:29:46.920 shame if they were to ever even be seen as, um, selecting people for positions because

00:29:53.160 they gelled with them the best.

00:29:54.780 And that's just kind of, again, natural.

00:29:56.580 If, if you come from the same background, same community, it's, it's just, it's just,

00:30:01.560 it's just so bizarre, this, this self-destructive mentality that it's individualism, but now

00:30:06.780 it's gone beyond where now it's attacking your in-group and prioritizing your out-group.

00:30:11.400 And I think that's fundamental.

00:30:12.620 I know, Oron, you talked about it recently on your show, um, where you were discussing

00:30:16.560 sort of the, the political violence, uh, how, how it's sort of stratified and you were

00:30:21.780 expanding on the out-group preference among people versus the in-group preference among other

00:30:28.080 people.

00:30:28.360 I thought that was, that was quite interesting and really pertinent to this topic.

00:30:31.080 Yeah.

00:30:31.520 I had Aidan Paladin on, who's a fantastic, uh, social science researcher.

00:30:35.520 We were talking about who commits more violence.

00:30:38.460 And one of the things that we were pointing to was that the leftists, you know, this was

00:30:43.300 my theory and one that she, she kind of backed up.

00:30:45.720 Apparently she's doing a piece on this right now.

00:30:47.740 So we kind of, uh, came to the same conclusion simultaneously was that one of the reasons the

00:30:52.820 left is more violent is that they are constantly under siege as people who are focused on the out-group,

00:30:58.400 right? If you're part of the in-group, if you're conservative, you can relax once your in-group is in

00:31:02.940 charge because you trust the people around you. You're, you know, you, you have a certain level of

00:31:07.180 affinity and, and, uh, and brotherhood with the people who are in charge. And so you can just

00:31:12.140 depoliticize and become somebody who enjoys the society they live in. Once the people you agree with

00:31:17.720 they're in power, but if you're a leftist, you're always against the in-group, which means you're

00:31:22.260 by definition surrounded by people you are hostile to. And you can never relax because when they're in

00:31:28.220 power, obviously you oppose them, you oppose the in-group, but even when you're in power, your job

00:31:32.880 is to eliminate the, the, the, the in-group, which is dominant because they're an inherent threat to 1.00

00:31:37.980 your existence. So the leftists, whether they're in power or out of power, it's just always in this

00:31:42.940 revolutionary mode. They're always thinking about revolutionary violence because otherwise, how do

00:31:47.140 they deal with, uh, the fact that the in-group is surrounding them constantly. So there's never a

00:31:52.540 moment where they relax. There's never a moment where they can be happy. There's never a moment

00:31:55.880 where they can depoliticize and live their life because the revolution is by definition eternal for

00:32:00.540 them. They're surrounded by the necessity of the revolution because they oppose the in-group that sits 0.90

00:32:06.040 at the center of their society. And here's how bad things are. Okay. Uh, Wajid Ali in any sane

00:32:11.460 world, uh, every politician on the right would be playing that video all day, every day. They

00:32:17.540 would campaign on that video. It would be ubiquitous. It would be burned into the sensory

00:32:22.320 perceptors of every, uh, American you would spend. I would, if we had real America, uh, uh, real

00:32:28.800 Republican billionaires, they would spend a hundred million dollars making that video, the most famous

00:32:34.040 video in American history, because it lays out exactly what's going on. And you know what? Every single

00:32:40.800 GOP person is not going to do it because they're cowards. They're cowards. And they are going to 1.00

00:32:45.920 say, Oh no, if you push that, that's going to give an artificial view that, that, uh, immigrants are

00:32:50.620 trying to take over. No, it's going to give an accurate view. And that's what you're really worried

00:32:55.640 about that people will actually understand where they're at, that the frog has been boiling the

00:33:00.480 entire time. And that you, the Republican party have enabled this invasion at every step that they

00:33:06.540 have let the barbarians in the gates. And now all they can do is whine about the fact that the 0.98

00:33:10.580 barbarians are burning civilization down. That's the real problem. And even in this dire moment, 0.62

00:33:15.520 you know that 90% of the GOP will not touch this issue, even though it is screaming from the rooftops

00:33:21.320 for an easy political victory. Perfect example of this is, uh, the, the recent controversy about

00:33:27.660 Shapiro appearing on trigonometry. And I'm just going to keep hitting on this because I think it's,

00:33:31.940 it's the, the avatar of the conservatism whose time has long since passed, still reasserting

00:33:38.680 itself as morally legitimate saying to, you know, young Americans, if you've been priced out of

00:33:43.120 housing in, in your area, he was focusing on New York, but it's a sort of transitory

00:33:47.060 principle. Then you just need to move to a place where opportunities are better. And it's like, well,

00:33:52.040 all the opportunities are centralized in cities, which are basically manufacturing plants for,

00:33:56.220 for overproduced progressive elites who then inflict their poisonous politics on,

00:34:01.940 the rest of the country, when they move out of the likes of California into Texas or Tennessee

00:34:05.960 and Florida and try and make it purple. But also where else are you expecting them to go? Because

00:34:11.460 in the following day, when he defended his remarks, he immediately said, and we should also support the

00:34:16.440 H1B program. And it's like, well, Ben, where do you think those thousands of Indians live? They live

00:34:22.320 in houses, which then puts pressure on the housing market after already putting pressure on the job

00:34:26.360 market. So not only can Americans not afford the house because they can't get the job, but they also 0.73

00:34:30.100 can't afford the house because the demand is going up from the number of Indians that you're saying 1.00

00:34:34.000 should be imported into the country. And it's this completely disconnected thinking, this commitment

00:34:38.420 to abstract principles that you've read from Milton Friedman, rather than the intent of conserving

00:34:44.560 a particular American people and their way of life and their interests in a time and place, as you said

00:34:48.760 at the start. And you can't conserve those people because that's noticing patterns, noticing divisions,

00:34:52.980 and therefore walking down the long and skull paved road to Nazism. It's that that has meant 0.86

00:34:59.620 that the conservatives, in name only, rhinos, have ceded so much ground to their enemy that

00:35:06.220 they're increasingly indistinguishable from their enemy, if not in rhetoric, at least in

00:35:10.340 practice, in their appointments, in their policies, and in the kinds of injustices that are visited

00:35:16.500 upon the native people of our respective countries that they're willing to tolerate or excuse as to

00:35:21.180 not be called nasty names by their enemies. Well, and the funny thing is, if you look at my YouTube

00:35:25.560 channel, I think it's like the third video I ever did when I started this was called the Ben Shapiro

00:35:31.920 paradox. And it hit exactly on this issue. I was actually at the time analyzing the Tucker Shapiro

00:35:39.280 showdown several years ago about Tucker saying, of course, if an economic system is not allowing my

00:35:46.020 children to reproduce and have families, we should burn the system down. I don't care what you call it. 1.00

00:35:50.120 You can call it anything you want. Capitalism, communism, socialism, fascism. If it prevents

00:35:54.960 the flourishing of me and my family, that's what it's supposed to do. And if it doesn't, then we

00:35:59.920 should just destroy it. Right. And so this argument has been a very serious split in the conservative 0.67

00:36:05.280 mentality for a while. I would say this is really the core of the MAGA divide. Ben Shapiro is a

00:36:10.420 neoliberal. That's it. That's all there is to it. He doesn't like abortion. And yeah, he's against

00:36:16.040 transgenderism and good. Both those things are evil. But ultimately, Shapiro is entirely bought

00:36:21.080 into the cultural, economic, global American empire model of society. He agrees with everything

00:36:27.740 that makes it tick. He doesn't think about any of the second order consequences of that economic

00:36:32.080 system, whether it actually impacts the cultural issues he claims to care about. He has not drawn any

00:36:37.880 connective tissue between these things at all. And look, there's a certain level of understanding

00:36:42.360 about that. We're not ultimately Marxist materialists, right? Economic causes matter,

00:36:49.180 systems matter, but so does faith, so does objective truth, so does tradition. These things

00:36:53.940 are all factors. And the problem is with ideology, we have shoved these things into different sides of

00:36:59.560 the divide. We're only allowed to think about some parts of these things in one area and some parts of

00:37:04.180 these things about another. We're never allowed to holistically understand the situation in which our

00:37:09.060 people are kept, the way in which the systems, traditions, economics, policies, religion, and

00:37:15.720 everything around us ultimately impacts the well-being of the people we're supposed to care

00:37:19.800 about. And so until you banish that mentality from the Republican Party, and still you can get rid of

00:37:25.060 this ideological understanding that that's what conservatism is. Conservatism isn't conserving

00:37:29.680 people. It's not conserving a way of life. It's not conserving a religion or tradition. It's just

00:37:34.680 modifying GDP and making sure that individualism reigns, some abstract understanding of rights

00:37:40.920 entirely separated. Don't forget, like, Leo Strauss is the ideological center of much of

00:37:47.020 conservative intellectual life. What's his project? Well, it's separating natural rights from God,

00:37:52.800 right? It's natural right exists apart from the divine. It's not something you need. You don't need

00:37:56.820 to believe in Christianity. And we hear this all the time now, even from Republicans. Of course a Muslim 1.00

00:38:01.200 can have American values. Of course a Hindu can have American values. These are Judeo-Christian 1.00

00:38:06.680 values. When did that happen? Who knows? But the point is that we can no longer identify that our

00:38:13.420 values are actually tied to a specific way of life, a specific Protestant Christian, sorry buddy, 0.99

00:38:19.200 understanding of the way that society should be structured. And many people can join, but they must

00:38:27.300 understand that this is the core of who we are and what we believe and how we live our life.

00:38:31.880 That's what has to shift if the GOP ever wants to ultimately defeat what's happening with the left

00:38:37.160 in America and the broader West. Don't worry, Connor, you are invited to the potluck. That is a standing

00:38:43.420 invite. Don't worry. We have, we had a whole state dedicated to keeping you guys in a nice, it's nice.

00:38:49.840 You can enjoy it. Uh, you know, that way you won't contaminate the rest of us with your potpourri,

00:38:54.740 right? Like we already had this whole thing figured out, right? We could live multicultural

00:38:58.520 society, Protestants and, you know, Catholics. We could, we could all make it work.

00:39:03.020 Hey, look, you're our, you're our best invention. And, uh, considering it's Anglo-Protestant, 0.97

00:39:08.180 I over-qualify for the Anglo element. Um, so I, I think, uh, I think I fit the bill. Thank you very 1.00

00:39:13.760 much. That's fair. That's fair. We'll see you at VBS now, but no, it's so true. I mean, this, I think the

00:39:19.340 big, beautiful bill actually sort of turned this into a real, I mean, we really saw the divide

00:39:24.800 around the big, beautiful bill because you had one side really pulling their hair out over the 0.74

00:39:29.020 debt. Again, this is not to downplay that the debt is a big problem and it's continuing to be so.

00:39:35.360 But with what was at stake, uh, a lot of people were looking at things that were very tangible,

00:39:39.980 very raw. You could walk into a Costco and see the issue. And they were saying, this needs to be

00:39:43.860 addressed now. I don't care how many zeros are on the end of this thing. We're not going to have a

00:39:48.240 country if we don't address this. And so the debt will be a secondary issue if we're living in

00:39:53.600 Brazil. And that's where you really saw that divide. Some of the Elon was a little bit removed

00:39:58.120 because obviously he had like a personal gripe with the big, beautiful bill and these sorts of

00:40:01.920 things. But yeah, I remember seeing that discourse and it was that riff that you were talking about

00:40:06.120 where we saw the Tucker and Ben Shapiro, it was on his Sunday special, um, where Tucker was talking

00:40:11.700 about like, well, I don't care how many cheap TVs and cheap plastic crap I can fly from China. 0.55

00:40:15.800 If it's rotted out the core of my country, that kind of got rehashed again around the big, 0.90

00:40:20.660 beautiful bill. And again, you're starting to see some people growing, growing disgruntled,

00:40:25.980 disgruntledness with the tariffs. Um, I don't think we're putting this in the box anytime soon.

00:40:31.660 And this certainly seems to be the dominating, um, philosophy among our congressmen, uh, just based

00:40:37.720 off of the rhetoric that they use surrounding these sorts of bills. Obviously they all kind of

00:40:42.360 bought in for the big, beautiful bill, their constituents were demanding it, but there's

00:40:46.840 that massive disconnect and it's, it's getting very frustrating. Yeah. I mean, it's very clear

00:40:51.260 that ultimately a large portion of the Republican party is just waiting around for Trump to go away,

00:40:57.220 right? There was this understanding that ultimately, uh, at first everyone was anti-Trump,

00:41:02.060 all these people who pretend to be big Trump shills. Now they, they hated Trump the entire time.

00:41:07.100 They despised him. And now they try to claim, you know, ownership of MAGA and who gets to be MAGA

00:41:13.460 and what it means, but they hated him. They warned from the beginning that Trump was going to turn

00:41:19.640 the Republican party into a cult of personality. And we were going to lose all these traditional

00:41:24.160 Republican understandings. And all the voters were like, thank God less. Yes, please, please.

00:41:29.660 Because they're so tired of these Republican bromides that just do nothing and mean nothing

00:41:34.580 and are empty. And so guess what? That's exactly what happened. Guess what? When,

00:41:39.460 when there's a Republican election, people show up for Trump and the people Trump endorses.

00:41:43.520 Sometimes it's bad because Trump endorses bad people, but that's the reality.

00:41:47.000 No one's showing up for the traditional GOP. Nobody cares. Everyone hates the Republican.

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00:42:39.540 to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Republican party, including the Republican

00:42:43.760 voting base. And so the hope is that ultimately, if they can just let MAGA die, if it can become

00:42:49.320 this impotent thing that didn't make any change, they can make sure that the agenda doesn't go

00:42:53.100 forward. They make it very hard for J.D. Vance to pick up that torch and carry it forward in victory

00:42:57.840 because they muck up the Trump agenda, make sure he doesn't get anyone past him. We just

00:43:01.500 saw the leaked footage of Trump complaining about the fact that he can't get any of his

00:43:05.180 appointees done from his own party, and that's making it impossible for them to move the agenda

00:43:09.560 forward. And if you can just, you know, sabotage the agenda enough, then you don't have to directly

00:43:14.440 oppose Trump, but he can just kind of fail and fizzle out. And then, you know, the Mitt

00:43:18.700 Romneys and the John McCains and the Jeb Bushes can step back into the room and they can resume

00:43:23.620 the neocon dominance of the Republican Party. It's very clear that whether that's an explicit,

00:43:29.120 you know, agenda stated by some people like Max Abrams, or if it's an implicit one that is being

00:43:35.240 carried out by many people in Congress, there is a significant portion of the Republican Party

00:43:39.520 that's just waiting out the clock so that MAGA can die off and they can go back. They can't quite

00:43:43.860 skin suit it the way they did the Tea Party. So instead, their only option is to do this. And that's

00:43:49.440 what we're seeing over and over again. So I think that ultimately, you know, Trump knows that he's

00:43:55.120 fighting both the party itself and the wider left. And until that dynamic changes, you can't really

00:44:02.620 trust the wider Republican apparatus to get anything done. Right, gents. Thank you very much for that.

00:44:08.180 Oran, where can people go to find more of your insights? Well, thanks for having me. I'm, of course,

00:44:13.740 the Oran McIntyre show on Blaze TV. It's also on YouTube and Rumble and Odyssey. It's on all your

00:44:19.740 favorite podcast platforms. And I'm posting on places like Twitter and Gab and Substack under

00:44:25.580 Oran McIntyre. Yeah, X and Instagram at RealTateBrown and Timcast IRL. If you're watching this, it's coming

00:44:32.160 out on a Sunday. So go watch Friday. We had Jack Posobiec and John Doyle. And I was on the panel

00:44:36.880 with Phil. So this is me manifesting a good show. And it will probably be the last IRL in the

00:44:43.560 West Virginia compound. So historic, historic episode. We're going to go out with a bang.

00:44:47.680 I'm going to head over there just now and we'll go tape it. And it'll be great. So go check it out.

00:44:52.120 Man, I'll be sad never to come back on IRL when I'm in D.C. again in future. It'll be heartbroken.

00:44:57.300 But I'm sure we'll be able to work something out. You can find me on X at Con underscore Tomlinson.

00:45:01.500 You'll probably be watching this on my channel. But if you're watching this on from the Timple feed

00:45:06.460 and you haven't subscribed yet, please do. We will be back next Saturday, probably for our last episode

00:45:12.060 before Christmas. Hopefully getting very festive and cozy. Until then, take care and goodbye.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - December 14, 2025

The GOP Is Addicted To LOSING ｜ The Culture War's Across The Pond

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