The GOP Is Addicted To LOSING ｜ The Culture War's Across The Pond
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In this episode of Across the Pond, Conor and Tate are joined by Oron McIntyre, a podcaster for the online rights' podcaster, to discuss the current state of the Republican Party in America, and how it can never hope to win if it cedes ground to its enemies.
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Hello, Patriots, and welcome back to Across the Pond for the Sunday edition
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where I, Conor Somnorson, and my co-host Tate Brown are joined by a guest.
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This week, we thought we would treat you to a perspective from over the opposite side of the Atlantic
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We did promise to be a Zoomer show, but Oron is the sort of podcaster's podcaster for the online rights.
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I appreciate you making an exception, bringing Unk in, you know, really.
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I can talk to the kids and, you know, tell them what it was like when the dinosaurs roamed the Earth.
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I really appreciate you guys reaching out to the older generation.
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Yeah, we wanted to get, like, preparation for dealing with our disagreeable family members
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right around the Christmas dinner table, so you're, like, our training exercise.
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Yeah, we're all hunkering down and weathering our respective political storms, but I'll get
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Oron, you had an excellent tweet out earlier, which is why we've brought you on, about how
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the GOP can never hope to win if it continues ceding ground to its enemies.
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Sure, just a lot of people looking at what's going on with the right right now.
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We have Republicans refusing to pull the trigger on redistricting.
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They're not passing Trump's nominees into the cabinet, into the wider executive branch.
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Just very easy stuff, very obvious stuff, easy wins that they should be picking up, and
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And the thing we hear over and over again is it's about principle.
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It's the principles that they really are upholding that are keeping them from taking these victory
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And at some point, we have to just admit that either the GOP is just controlled opposition,
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it's simply not a real party, and we have a uniparty in the United States.
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Or if we really do think the GOP is at some level opposition, then we have to ask, why is
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it so committed to principles that routinely produce complete losses, complete failures,
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and seem to have no connection to actual moral understandings?
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And it's kind of the way it processes information that it ultimately continually comes back to
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And if we are going to continue to pretend that these principles that make it impossible
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to win in every scenario are actually features of conservatism, then we need to ask harder
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Are these principles that conservatives actually developed?
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Or have we been told that this is actually the way that conservatives behave by a media
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apparatus that wants us to lose over and over again?
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It's not like we don't know how to solve many of these problems, immigration, crime.
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We know what's going on with this, and we know how to fix it.
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But once again, we always hear about how the principles are ultimately keeping us and restricting
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And if that's going to be the status quo in the United States, obviously the right will
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Well, I saw this week, the discourse Trump has really been emphasizing the issue with
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the blue slips system, obviously where a single senator in the state where a judge is
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being appointed, a single senator can issue this blue slip, which then effectively instructs
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Congress to not approve of this judge appointment.
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And Chuck Grassley, the Republican who's beyond unk, I think he's, I don't know, grand unk at
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He said basically like, look, the blue slips, it's part of our principles.
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Like during the Biden administration, we utilized it to prevent judge appointments.
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And it's like, do these guys not realize we're getting shot at?
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Do these guys not realize that our country has been completely overtaken by illegal immigrants
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Do they not realize that like our inheritance is being robbed for our very own eyes?
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It's these people just have no sense of what time it is whatsoever.
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And they're just petrified, I think, ultimately of being looked down upon by the writers over
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It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my entire life.
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It's like if the Trump administration fails, we kind of ran out of time 10 years ago.
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So if the Trump administration fails, it's legitimately over.
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And these people just do not understand what is going on.
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I really hope they don't understand what's going on, because if they understand what's
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going on and they're behaving in this way, then that is something that's going to be
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have to be accounted for by the almighty, quite frankly.
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Well, it's one of those scenarios where you think about what the parties stand for, in
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The Democratic Party stands for government intervention programs, building things, handing
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The Democratic Party is literally an ideological nexus of ways to justify wielding power.
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Big government, government growth, oversight, handing out any kind of welfare in any of these
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So when you have one party whose entire ideology is literally everything we do is justified because
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it gains us power, and one party whose principles say, we can't ever take power under any circumstances,
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Like, this is not, there's nothing about this that is confusing.
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The question you want to ask is, why did the GOP become a nexus of ways to not hold power?
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It's easy to understand why the Democrats were drawn to power, right?
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But what is it about the conservative structure of the movement?
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And I think that, again, this largely goes to ideology.
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This is what happens when conservatism stops conserving a people and a place and a way
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of life, and instead tries to conserve some classical liberal abstraction of the way that
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Government should operate in the way that serves the people.
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Now, because we are a particular people with a particular way of being, there is a set of
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values that does inform how we should operate, but ultimately the reason to adhere to those
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So if there's a scenario in which tying up the federal government benefits the people,
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If there's a way in which actually it's just better to get rid of a judge or get rid of
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some obstacle that is allowing large amounts of violent, illegal immigrants to continue
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to stay in the country, well, we should get rid of that because that's bad for the people.
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By having that as our North Star instead of ideology, we avoid this abstraction and this
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creation of a nexus of rejecting power in every place and every time.
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But I think we've embraced that, and that is one of the huge problems we have.
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It's not sufficient enough to be a handbrake on your enemy's revolution.
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You actually have to have a destination in mind.
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And if you don't, I mean, the person who will then come to occupy the passenger seat
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The example that I have brought to mind, because of your post where you say that the GOP hasn't
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confirmed the large number of Trump's appointments, is that Jeremy Carl's appointment's been
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held in limbo, and he is omnicompetent and understands the scourge of anti-white racism
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You know, he made his name off the book on that.
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And he hasn't been appointed, but over at the civil rights division, you've got Harmeet
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Dillon, who got up at NatCon and said, this isn't your granddad's civil rights department.
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We're taking the fight to the Democrats, who are the real racists.
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And as soon as you have the illegal Indian truckers, you know, killing people by doing
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U-turns, she comes in and says, well, hold on a minute.
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The real victims of this are the poor, innocent Sikh truckers who are getting a bad name because
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so many of them are in the country illegally on visa overstays, on spurious trucking licenses,
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The real issue is that people who are noticing the problem are actually being too racist about
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So we need to cleave away people from the right rather than focusing on solving the problem
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And you get to that position, and we've had the same thing in the UK, where in the early
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2010s, the Conservative Party had been seismically defeated by Tony Blair's new Labour revolution,
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and the long hangover of Margaret Thatcher was still on their minds.
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And so the party chairman then was Theresa May, who ended up being the prime minister after
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So David Cameron, who wanted to become the next candidate, instituted all women and minority
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shortlists to change the reputation of the party to be more diverse and progressive and
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And he hated the fact that they were all straight white men, you know, the natural voter base of
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And so over time, he filled his party with a complete group of incompetents or ethnic
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malcontents who then lobbied to import more of their co-ethnics.
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And hey, presto, you get the immigration policy that results in England having the same level
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And they do it all so that not just they can't be seen as not wanting to take power, but because
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they don't want to be called mean names by their revolutionary enemies who will never engage
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in a fair fight with them because they'd rather see them dead than succeed.
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So not to be pedantic on this point, but I do think it actually matters a little bit in
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how we operate here, at least in the United States.
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...because of the way we behave with our institutions.
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So one of the things that really messes up conservatives now is that we just constitutionally obviously
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These are the things that are supposed to help us scale up our civilization and impart
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that generational knowledge, beliefs, traditions, all these things, norms, values to a wider
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population, many of which need to assimilate because they maybe didn't come from those values,
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This is what we rely on institutions for when you're a scaled up civilization.
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The problem is those institutions are all now captured by the left.
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So when a guy like Trump enters, he's the revolution.
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But the institutions are counter-revolutionary.
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So when you have the situation where Trump comes in and tries to change something, all
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of these people who are advising, even the Republicans in the GOP, the standard understanding
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in the Washington class, all pushes back against this, right?
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Whether they're conservative or liberal, they are all functionally conservative in the sense
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They are trying to stop the MAGA revolution, and they are trying to keep the system at stasis,
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The conservatives don't want it to get too radical.
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But they're all working to keep the thing in equilibrium around that kind of center of
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kind of the post-left revolution that has conquered the United States.
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So when we're looking at this, we should understand there's a reason that like Jeremy Carl doesn't go
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through as where people of other demographics perhaps do, and the reason is that built into
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the system, even under the conservative or Republican understanding, a female minority
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member is far more deserving of being appointed, and you would never be caught dead pushing
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back against her, especially in the Republican Party, as opposed to like some straight white
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Like that's the value that's still deeply encoded even in the right in the United States.
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Well, yeah, because you're still seeing in the conservative world, we're still trying
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to operate within the left's framework and beat them at their own game.
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And then on the flip side, like you said, I don't think people fully accepted that the
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rebellion, or rather the revolution, has concluded, and it was a roaring success for the left.
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Because you'll see this thing where people on the right will say that they're disillusioned
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with the institutions, they don't buy into it anymore.
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Like you'll see critiques of Harvard saying, oh, it's just this woke school, da-da-da-da-da-da.
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But if their child got into Harvard, they would have a Harvard dad bumper sticker, they would
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be over the moon, they'd be like, my kid is so smart.
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Because these institutions, they occupy such gravity in the American mind.
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You can't just, you can't build a new one necessarily, but you certainly can't ignore
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that these institutions, when they're captured, are a devastating blow to any movement that
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But to the earlier point with the framework, that's what's so frustrating seeing is this
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continued doubling down on like, maybe we can just trick minorities into voting for
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And it's like, you can't step into that framework because the left just has it down.
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They have these remittance networks built out for their voters to reward them for voting
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And the Republican Party, just because of our fiscal conservatism, can never compete with
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that we can't, we should, but we can't build out that sort of infrastructure to reward our
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The only way we really can do so is through economic victories.
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And I think Trump has correctly identified this with the tariffs.
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Obviously, we got some good news on the data as far as exports, imports goes.
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That, for us, is how we can sort of build out this patronage network for the Republican Party
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But Trump and maybe a few other people in the party are the ones that really seem to understand
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And then you have a whole contingent of the party that's even groveling and, or not
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groveling, griping and complaining about the tariff regime because they just don't want
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to build out this patronage network for voters.
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They just want to continue to repackage these ideas.
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And they're like, okay, well, maybe if we put a new face on there, then maybe black people
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You can't compete with the left's patronage network.
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Yeah, I mean, the simple fact is that the right and conservatives in the United States
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have entirely bought into the holy minority myth, right?
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Like, you don't, you're not valid, your opinion isn't valid unless a person of color is standing
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This is why, you know, just insane stuff is constantly handed off to, you know, who's
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that, is it Rob Smith is the gay black guy, you know, who shows up on Fox News and all
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He gave a speech a few weeks ago about how, you know, he's done having to hear about how
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white Christian men have any value in the Republican Party.
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The Republican Party is now a coalition of gays and Latinos and blacks and Somalians.
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And this is what actually makes the Republican Party win now.
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And that guy is not going to get canceled from anything.
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He's not going to lose his ability to go on Fox News or whatever.
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He can say all this insanely anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-straight man hatred.
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And he'll be the good, you know, ethnically diverse conservative on the next panel on Fox
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And you can't, you can't operate with that level of just like complete blindness to where
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you are and continue to think you're going to win any kind of cultural victory.
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If the Republican Party can't reject a man like that, if they can't reject people who are
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buying babies, who are involved in human trafficking, who are involved in pushing eugenics, if they
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can't, if they can't gatekeep any of these people, then don't come to be about, oh, I can't believe
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we're not gatekeeping like a Nick Fuentes or something like you won't gatekeep anyone and
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So the Republicans have just embraced this entirely.
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And as you say, the structure of the party is designed, I think I would modify only to say
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that it's not that there is no patronage network for the Republican Party.
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It's that the patronage network is almost entirely based on foreign policy.
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So the foreign policy patronage network is extremely strong in the conservative party.
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This is why there's still this undercurrent of constant war, even though that's not what
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But the Lindsey Grahams of the world are going to make sure that that paycheck keeps flowing
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Trust me, nobody who's voting Republican voting for Ukraine is not getting money out of this
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Like they all know they're spreading the money around and that money is coming back to them.
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It's just that the conservatives, because they have these stalwart, middle class, capable
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voters who can actually, you know, like buy groceries and things without money from the government,
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they can spend their patronage dollars instead of spending on like communities of people.
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They can just throw it into these giant multinational corporations based on war because really their
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voters are going to vote for them no matter what.
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Yeah, the model minority myth thing is most evident in the fact that Vivek Ramaswamy keeps
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I mean, look, I know he basically got his start on Tim Costs because believe me, I listened
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But it was very apparent that he was just saying what people wanted to hear until his Christmas
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crash out when he said that, you know, you've got to be Steve Urkel and do more spelling
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bees and math olympiads rather than, you know, having friends and playing football and doing
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And even so, even despite his clear ethno-nepotistic lobbying for H1Bs, he's currently running in
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Ohio and he's flipped to what, R plus 10 state to now the Democrats leading him by a point.
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And all she's had to do is see like she doesn't have seething contempt for white Americans and
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their culture and their desire to go to the mall on a Sunday rather than rote learner
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biology textbook. And it was an easy blunder the Republicans didn't need to make.
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But because, I think for multiple reasons that I'll bring up in a moment, because they
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are wedded to this need to validate all of their opinions through the mouth of a minority
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that's, as Joe Biden would have said, clean and bright and articulate in order to not feel
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racist, they will enact the exact same diversity policies in their own party while ostensibly
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doing anti-woke things as their enemies want them to do.
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And then they end up morphing into, if not a mirror image of their enemies, they accelerate
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the gains of the revolution because rather than being a white leftist and having this
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be an ideological motivation to flood your country through the third world migrants like
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you're the ideologue in the first chapter of Camp of the Saints, instead, for second
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generation immigrants or first generation immigrants in parties, this is just an instinct
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to say, of course I would import my entire caste and clan and family and countrymen.
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And so you actually get more coming in if you have a Priti Patel or a Rishi Sunak or a
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And now we've got something going on in the UK, by the way, with Reform UK.
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So they've just announced this new council candidate for Southampton, you know, very, very strong
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And there's a guy called Adi Moe, which I assume is shortened for Mohammed, Azadu Zaman.
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I don't know what's going on, but you casted a spell of some sort.
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These are not the candidates you're looking for.
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But he is here on a student visa from Bangladesh, and the post announcing that he's going to
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be a candidate literally said he plans to go back to his homeland someday, or he might
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But in the meantime, he wants to represent his community by standing as a councillor for
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And he announced his candidacy in Bengali on Facebook.
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So he's clearly just a striver, noticing this is like the top party in the polls and glomming
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himself onto it to, you know, have another thing to put on his LinkedIn, because for
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some reason that's big in the subcontinent to, like, sort of boast about the number of
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positions you've had to up your is at or something.
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But why is the Anti-Immigration Party running this candidate?
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It's because in the post-war moral order, to take the side of the indigenous population
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of white people to say that actually heterosexual straight men, redundant, might be the best
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political candidates because they, you know, won't have as much compromat on them like all
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the gay staffers in DC or conservative politicians.
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Well, that's leading down the road ineluctably to a closed society, Nazis and gas chambers.
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And so we have to, in order to acquit ourselves of the accusations of racism and bigotry and
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being the second incarnation of Adolf Hitler, we have to put up minority candidates even if
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they aren't qualified and even if they indulge in anti-white rhetoric.
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And we have to stand by the anti-white rhetoric to prove that we aren't racist by the terms
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of our enemies that want to destroy our civilization.
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And so you actually end up losing quicker and conceding to the revolution that your enemies
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have already successfully waged, as you've said, or on, than if you had just given up
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and let them win the election in the first place.
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I mean, there's just a hard truth here that's unavoidable.
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And it's that any noticing of patterns is a problem, right?
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So the left doesn't have this issue because they go out there and they just acknowledge
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They have the right to lobby for those interests as a collectivity.
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This is just the way that the world works for the left.
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However, the right in the post-war consensus has been built on this idea that we have to
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Now, as a good Anglo descendant, I've got a affinity for a certain level of individualism.
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I don't want to live in kind of the longhouse tribal way of like an Indian structure, those
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Like, I'm not looking necessarily for that level of collectivity.
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But we at least, at the very least, have to be able to recognize that other people do
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And that that way is real and it's valid and it's going to continue to exist whether we
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So whether we feel the need for deep ethnic nepotism, other people's will.
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And so the only way that we can interact with these peoples is with this base understanding
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that ethnic nepotism is real, that ethnic nepotism is tied to specific cultures and ways of being,
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and that we cannot, you know, just magically put these people on our soil and then dispel
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Like, no, this is built deeply into the core of their being, the core of their culture,
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Yes, in all of these scenarios, there are probably a few people who can live our way.
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And, you know, if they come here and for 30 years they live as one of us and they marry,
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intermarry, and they understand our culture and absorb it, and they become like us, then
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maybe their grandchildren can be part of our civilization.
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This is how real integration worked throughout history, right?
00:25:28.740
There was always some way for people to join the tribe, join the civilization, but it was
00:25:34.760
It was always something that involved a complete abandonment of your previous identity, a deep
00:25:43.780
It is always when you bring in large diasporas of foreign people into given civilizations that
00:25:52.020
And so the fact that we are continuing to look from the right at collective civilizations
00:25:57.280
like India and pretending that they do not have that level of ethnic nepotism baked deeply
00:26:02.860
into the substructure of the way that they think about things makes us vulnerable to them
00:26:10.480
There's no shock to most people that 70% of H-1Bs come from India.
00:26:16.400
It's not because India just has all the best and smartest people.
00:26:19.880
It's because they hire people that look like them.
00:26:22.340
If you talk to anybody in the tech sector, they know that increasingly there are large chunks
00:26:26.900
of the sector that are completely dedicated to ethnic Indians.
00:26:34.320
It just matters if you share a name with a guy or if you have a cousin connected to the
00:26:40.600
And by the way, I'm going to say it, there's nothing wrong with that at the end of the
00:26:46.680
If these people weren't here, then their ethnic nepotism wouldn't be an issue.
00:26:50.340
But now that they are, we either have to crush that entirely or send them all back.
00:26:55.160
I'm just going to go with number two because one is almost impossible.
00:26:57.660
Like you actually need fascism if you want to, like you actually need to ideologically
00:27:02.120
brainwash these people and force them continuously to have a particular state ideology if you
00:27:07.200
actually want to crush that behavior out of them in one generation.
00:27:11.180
Like I don't want to have that level of authoritarian structure to like just crush that impulse out
00:27:16.700
So just don't have them here in the first place.
00:27:18.960
But also it's possible as well because that's premised on the idea that they are just fungible
00:27:22.260
blank slates and that through either osmosis or a government funded education program,
00:27:27.800
I don't think like rote learning Mark Twain or Shakespeare is going to overcome generations
00:27:34.900
of cousin marriage and make them as individualistic as you and me.
00:27:39.420
No, I was just saying is like, I mean, I think Wajahad Ali actually illustrated this very well,
00:27:44.000
this contrast between collectivism, these collectivist mentalities.
00:27:47.620
Like he's like, what he said is actually more useful for us than Rob Smith.
00:27:52.460
And they're almost like analogs in a way where Wajahad Ali was like bewildered.
00:27:56.020
He's like, why didn't you guys advocate for yourselves?
00:27:58.180
Like we came here and took over and like, you didn't really do anything about it.
00:28:05.160
I mean, I know he was gloating, but he was like, seriously, like, why'd you let us in?
00:28:09.300
Versus Rob Smith was like, no, we're going to like take over.
00:28:12.980
Like we're going to like force all these different people into the coalition.
00:28:17.980
And like, you know, heterosexuals and Christians, um, actually you're not allowed to advocate
00:28:24.000
So it was actually what Wajahad Ali was saying was actually a bit more useful in many ways,
00:28:40.000
I was watching that, like, actually Wajahad, like, thank you, dude.
00:28:43.920
Like that was some of the, one of the best videos, I think, to come out in recent times,
00:28:48.080
because that's ultimately the mentality of a lot of these people is they're almost bewildered
00:28:54.820
And it's like Oran was alluding to is, I mean, like, look, uh, it's just the way, especially
00:28:59.240
Anglo specifically, um, sort of construct their societies is it's, uh, they don't advocate
00:29:06.300
And, um, there's certainly no ethnic nepotism, uh, it's actually the other way around is
00:29:11.540
I've, I've seen, I grew up in the evangelical community.
00:29:17.600
And you would often hear, um, a lot of these pastors, um, disgruntled with how white their
00:29:24.780
Um, they would often be trying to look for like a black face or a Hispanic face to lead
00:29:31.560
So they could, um, cause it was just like, it was almost shameful for them that their
00:29:36.040
entire congregation, um, sort of was the same community broadly, which makes sense.
00:29:42.660
Um, but I just remembered here, like hearing this over and over again, it was almost the
00:29:46.920
shame if they were to ever even be seen as, um, selecting people for positions because
00:29:56.580
If, if you come from the same background, same community, it's, it's just, it's just,
00:30:01.560
it's just so bizarre, this, this self-destructive mentality that it's individualism, but now
00:30:06.780
it's gone beyond where now it's attacking your in-group and prioritizing your out-group.
00:30:12.620
I know, Oron, you talked about it recently on your show, um, where you were discussing
00:30:16.560
sort of the, the political violence, uh, how, how it's sort of stratified and you were
00:30:21.780
expanding on the out-group preference among people versus the in-group preference among other
00:30:28.360
I thought that was, that was quite interesting and really pertinent to this topic.
00:30:31.520
I had Aidan Paladin on, who's a fantastic, uh, social science researcher.
00:30:35.520
We were talking about who commits more violence.
00:30:38.460
And one of the things that we were pointing to was that the leftists, you know, this was
00:30:43.300
my theory and one that she, she kind of backed up.
00:30:45.720
Apparently she's doing a piece on this right now.
00:30:47.740
So we kind of, uh, came to the same conclusion simultaneously was that one of the reasons the
00:30:52.820
left is more violent is that they are constantly under siege as people who are focused on the out-group,
00:30:58.400
right? If you're part of the in-group, if you're conservative, you can relax once your in-group is in
00:31:02.940
charge because you trust the people around you. You're, you know, you, you have a certain level of
00:31:07.180
affinity and, and, uh, and brotherhood with the people who are in charge. And so you can just
00:31:12.140
depoliticize and become somebody who enjoys the society they live in. Once the people you agree with
00:31:17.720
they're in power, but if you're a leftist, you're always against the in-group, which means you're
00:31:22.260
by definition surrounded by people you are hostile to. And you can never relax because when they're in
00:31:28.220
power, obviously you oppose them, you oppose the in-group, but even when you're in power, your job
00:31:32.880
is to eliminate the, the, the, the in-group, which is dominant because they're an inherent threat to
00:31:37.980
your existence. So the leftists, whether they're in power or out of power, it's just always in this
00:31:42.940
revolutionary mode. They're always thinking about revolutionary violence because otherwise, how do
00:31:47.140
they deal with, uh, the fact that the in-group is surrounding them constantly. So there's never a
00:31:52.540
moment where they relax. There's never a moment where they can be happy. There's never a moment
00:31:55.880
where they can depoliticize and live their life because the revolution is by definition eternal for
00:32:00.540
them. They're surrounded by the necessity of the revolution because they oppose the in-group that sits
00:32:06.040
at the center of their society. And here's how bad things are. Okay. Uh, Wajid Ali in any sane
00:32:11.460
world, uh, every politician on the right would be playing that video all day, every day. They
00:32:17.540
would campaign on that video. It would be ubiquitous. It would be burned into the sensory
00:32:22.320
perceptors of every, uh, American you would spend. I would, if we had real America, uh, uh, real
00:32:28.800
Republican billionaires, they would spend a hundred million dollars making that video, the most famous
00:32:34.040
video in American history, because it lays out exactly what's going on. And you know what? Every single
00:32:40.800
GOP person is not going to do it because they're cowards. They're cowards. And they are going to
00:32:45.920
say, Oh no, if you push that, that's going to give an artificial view that, that, uh, immigrants are
00:32:50.620
trying to take over. No, it's going to give an accurate view. And that's what you're really worried
00:32:55.640
about that people will actually understand where they're at, that the frog has been boiling the
00:33:00.480
entire time. And that you, the Republican party have enabled this invasion at every step that they
00:33:06.540
have let the barbarians in the gates. And now all they can do is whine about the fact that the
00:33:10.580
barbarians are burning civilization down. That's the real problem. And even in this dire moment,
00:33:15.520
you know that 90% of the GOP will not touch this issue, even though it is screaming from the rooftops
00:33:21.320
for an easy political victory. Perfect example of this is, uh, the, the recent controversy about
00:33:27.660
Shapiro appearing on trigonometry. And I'm just going to keep hitting on this because I think it's,
00:33:31.940
it's the, the avatar of the conservatism whose time has long since passed, still reasserting
00:33:38.680
itself as morally legitimate saying to, you know, young Americans, if you've been priced out of
00:33:43.120
housing in, in your area, he was focusing on New York, but it's a sort of transitory
00:33:47.060
principle. Then you just need to move to a place where opportunities are better. And it's like, well,
00:33:52.040
all the opportunities are centralized in cities, which are basically manufacturing plants for,
00:33:56.220
for overproduced progressive elites who then inflict their poisonous politics on,
00:34:01.940
the rest of the country, when they move out of the likes of California into Texas or Tennessee
00:34:05.960
and Florida and try and make it purple. But also where else are you expecting them to go? Because
00:34:11.460
in the following day, when he defended his remarks, he immediately said, and we should also support the
00:34:16.440
H1B program. And it's like, well, Ben, where do you think those thousands of Indians live? They live
00:34:22.320
in houses, which then puts pressure on the housing market after already putting pressure on the job
00:34:26.360
market. So not only can Americans not afford the house because they can't get the job, but they also
00:34:30.100
can't afford the house because the demand is going up from the number of Indians that you're saying
00:34:34.000
should be imported into the country. And it's this completely disconnected thinking, this commitment
00:34:38.420
to abstract principles that you've read from Milton Friedman, rather than the intent of conserving
00:34:44.560
a particular American people and their way of life and their interests in a time and place, as you said
00:34:48.760
at the start. And you can't conserve those people because that's noticing patterns, noticing divisions,
00:34:52.980
and therefore walking down the long and skull paved road to Nazism. It's that that has meant
00:34:59.620
that the conservatives, in name only, rhinos, have ceded so much ground to their enemy that
00:35:06.220
they're increasingly indistinguishable from their enemy, if not in rhetoric, at least in
00:35:10.340
practice, in their appointments, in their policies, and in the kinds of injustices that are visited
00:35:16.500
upon the native people of our respective countries that they're willing to tolerate or excuse as to
00:35:21.180
not be called nasty names by their enemies. Well, and the funny thing is, if you look at my YouTube
00:35:25.560
channel, I think it's like the third video I ever did when I started this was called the Ben Shapiro
00:35:31.920
paradox. And it hit exactly on this issue. I was actually at the time analyzing the Tucker Shapiro
00:35:39.280
showdown several years ago about Tucker saying, of course, if an economic system is not allowing my
00:35:46.020
children to reproduce and have families, we should burn the system down. I don't care what you call it.
00:35:50.120
You can call it anything you want. Capitalism, communism, socialism, fascism. If it prevents
00:35:54.960
the flourishing of me and my family, that's what it's supposed to do. And if it doesn't, then we
00:35:59.920
should just destroy it. Right. And so this argument has been a very serious split in the conservative
00:36:05.280
mentality for a while. I would say this is really the core of the MAGA divide. Ben Shapiro is a
00:36:10.420
neoliberal. That's it. That's all there is to it. He doesn't like abortion. And yeah, he's against
00:36:16.040
transgenderism and good. Both those things are evil. But ultimately, Shapiro is entirely bought
00:36:21.080
into the cultural, economic, global American empire model of society. He agrees with everything
00:36:27.740
that makes it tick. He doesn't think about any of the second order consequences of that economic
00:36:32.080
system, whether it actually impacts the cultural issues he claims to care about. He has not drawn any
00:36:37.880
connective tissue between these things at all. And look, there's a certain level of understanding
00:36:42.360
about that. We're not ultimately Marxist materialists, right? Economic causes matter,
00:36:49.180
systems matter, but so does faith, so does objective truth, so does tradition. These things
00:36:53.940
are all factors. And the problem is with ideology, we have shoved these things into different sides of
00:36:59.560
the divide. We're only allowed to think about some parts of these things in one area and some parts of
00:37:04.180
these things about another. We're never allowed to holistically understand the situation in which our
00:37:09.060
people are kept, the way in which the systems, traditions, economics, policies, religion, and
00:37:15.720
everything around us ultimately impacts the well-being of the people we're supposed to care
00:37:19.800
about. And so until you banish that mentality from the Republican Party, and still you can get rid of
00:37:25.060
this ideological understanding that that's what conservatism is. Conservatism isn't conserving
00:37:29.680
people. It's not conserving a way of life. It's not conserving a religion or tradition. It's just
00:37:34.680
modifying GDP and making sure that individualism reigns, some abstract understanding of rights
00:37:40.920
entirely separated. Don't forget, like, Leo Strauss is the ideological center of much of
00:37:47.020
conservative intellectual life. What's his project? Well, it's separating natural rights from God,
00:37:52.800
right? It's natural right exists apart from the divine. It's not something you need. You don't need
00:37:56.820
to believe in Christianity. And we hear this all the time now, even from Republicans. Of course a Muslim
00:38:01.200
can have American values. Of course a Hindu can have American values. These are Judeo-Christian
00:38:06.680
values. When did that happen? Who knows? But the point is that we can no longer identify that our
00:38:13.420
values are actually tied to a specific way of life, a specific Protestant Christian, sorry buddy,
00:38:19.200
understanding of the way that society should be structured. And many people can join, but they must
00:38:27.300
understand that this is the core of who we are and what we believe and how we live our life.
00:38:31.880
That's what has to shift if the GOP ever wants to ultimately defeat what's happening with the left
00:38:37.160
in America and the broader West. Don't worry, Connor, you are invited to the potluck. That is a standing
00:38:43.420
invite. Don't worry. We have, we had a whole state dedicated to keeping you guys in a nice, it's nice.
00:38:49.840
You can enjoy it. Uh, you know, that way you won't contaminate the rest of us with your potpourri,
00:38:54.740
right? Like we already had this whole thing figured out, right? We could live multicultural
00:38:58.520
society, Protestants and, you know, Catholics. We could, we could all make it work.
00:39:03.020
Hey, look, you're our, you're our best invention. And, uh, considering it's Anglo-Protestant,
00:39:08.180
I over-qualify for the Anglo element. Um, so I, I think, uh, I think I fit the bill. Thank you very
00:39:13.760
much. That's fair. That's fair. We'll see you at VBS now, but no, it's so true. I mean, this, I think the
00:39:19.340
big, beautiful bill actually sort of turned this into a real, I mean, we really saw the divide
00:39:24.800
around the big, beautiful bill because you had one side really pulling their hair out over the
00:39:29.020
debt. Again, this is not to downplay that the debt is a big problem and it's continuing to be so.
00:39:35.360
But with what was at stake, uh, a lot of people were looking at things that were very tangible,
00:39:39.980
very raw. You could walk into a Costco and see the issue. And they were saying, this needs to be
00:39:43.860
addressed now. I don't care how many zeros are on the end of this thing. We're not going to have a
00:39:48.240
country if we don't address this. And so the debt will be a secondary issue if we're living in
00:39:53.600
Brazil. And that's where you really saw that divide. Some of the Elon was a little bit removed
00:39:58.120
because obviously he had like a personal gripe with the big, beautiful bill and these sorts of
00:40:01.920
things. But yeah, I remember seeing that discourse and it was that riff that you were talking about
00:40:06.120
where we saw the Tucker and Ben Shapiro, it was on his Sunday special, um, where Tucker was talking
00:40:11.700
about like, well, I don't care how many cheap TVs and cheap plastic crap I can fly from China.
00:40:15.800
If it's rotted out the core of my country, that kind of got rehashed again around the big,
00:40:20.660
beautiful bill. And again, you're starting to see some people growing, growing disgruntled,
00:40:25.980
disgruntledness with the tariffs. Um, I don't think we're putting this in the box anytime soon.
00:40:31.660
And this certainly seems to be the dominating, um, philosophy among our congressmen, uh, just based
00:40:37.720
off of the rhetoric that they use surrounding these sorts of bills. Obviously they all kind of
00:40:42.360
bought in for the big, beautiful bill, their constituents were demanding it, but there's
00:40:46.840
that massive disconnect and it's, it's getting very frustrating. Yeah. I mean, it's very clear
00:40:51.260
that ultimately a large portion of the Republican party is just waiting around for Trump to go away,
00:40:57.220
right? There was this understanding that ultimately, uh, at first everyone was anti-Trump,
00:41:02.060
all these people who pretend to be big Trump shills. Now they, they hated Trump the entire time.
00:41:07.100
They despised him. And now they try to claim, you know, ownership of MAGA and who gets to be MAGA
00:41:13.460
and what it means, but they hated him. They warned from the beginning that Trump was going to turn
00:41:19.640
the Republican party into a cult of personality. And we were going to lose all these traditional
00:41:24.160
Republican understandings. And all the voters were like, thank God less. Yes, please, please.
00:41:29.660
Because they're so tired of these Republican bromides that just do nothing and mean nothing
00:41:34.580
and are empty. And so guess what? That's exactly what happened. Guess what? When,
00:41:39.460
when there's a Republican election, people show up for Trump and the people Trump endorses.
00:41:43.520
Sometimes it's bad because Trump endorses bad people, but that's the reality.
00:41:47.000
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voting base. And so the hope is that ultimately, if they can just let MAGA die, if it can become
00:42:49.320
this impotent thing that didn't make any change, they can make sure that the agenda doesn't go
00:42:53.100
forward. They make it very hard for J.D. Vance to pick up that torch and carry it forward in victory
00:42:57.840
because they muck up the Trump agenda, make sure he doesn't get anyone past him. We just
00:43:01.500
saw the leaked footage of Trump complaining about the fact that he can't get any of his
00:43:05.180
appointees done from his own party, and that's making it impossible for them to move the agenda
00:43:09.560
forward. And if you can just, you know, sabotage the agenda enough, then you don't have to directly
00:43:14.440
oppose Trump, but he can just kind of fail and fizzle out. And then, you know, the Mitt
00:43:18.700
Romneys and the John McCains and the Jeb Bushes can step back into the room and they can resume
00:43:23.620
the neocon dominance of the Republican Party. It's very clear that whether that's an explicit,
00:43:29.120
you know, agenda stated by some people like Max Abrams, or if it's an implicit one that is being
00:43:35.240
carried out by many people in Congress, there is a significant portion of the Republican Party
00:43:39.520
that's just waiting out the clock so that MAGA can die off and they can go back. They can't quite
00:43:43.860
skin suit it the way they did the Tea Party. So instead, their only option is to do this. And that's
00:43:49.440
what we're seeing over and over again. So I think that ultimately, you know, Trump knows that he's
00:43:55.120
fighting both the party itself and the wider left. And until that dynamic changes, you can't really
00:44:02.620
trust the wider Republican apparatus to get anything done. Right, gents. Thank you very much for that.
00:44:08.180
Oran, where can people go to find more of your insights? Well, thanks for having me. I'm, of course,
00:44:13.740
the Oran McIntyre show on Blaze TV. It's also on YouTube and Rumble and Odyssey. It's on all your
00:44:19.740
favorite podcast platforms. And I'm posting on places like Twitter and Gab and Substack under
00:44:25.580
Oran McIntyre. Yeah, X and Instagram at RealTateBrown and Timcast IRL. If you're watching this, it's coming
00:44:32.160
out on a Sunday. So go watch Friday. We had Jack Posobiec and John Doyle. And I was on the panel
00:44:36.880
with Phil. So this is me manifesting a good show. And it will probably be the last IRL in the
00:44:43.560
West Virginia compound. So historic, historic episode. We're going to go out with a bang.
00:44:47.680
I'm going to head over there just now and we'll go tape it. And it'll be great. So go check it out.
00:44:52.120
Man, I'll be sad never to come back on IRL when I'm in D.C. again in future. It'll be heartbroken.
00:44:57.300
But I'm sure we'll be able to work something out. You can find me on X at Con underscore Tomlinson.
00:45:01.500
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00:45:06.460
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00:45:12.060
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