Join us for the second installment of The Great Police Debate at the DC Comedy Loft. Join us as we debate whether or not the police should be allowed to do their job, and how they should be accountable for the crimes they do.
00:00:59.560I am Michael Malice, and I'm here to remind you that the cops are not your friend, that you can talk your way into an arrest, but you can't talk your way out of them.
00:01:28.360And, of course, I think to kick off the great conversation, I will start with the truth, and that is no cop anywhere, for any reason, has ever done anything wrong.
00:01:56.240What I want everyone here to realize, because this is something I'm being very serious now, despite dressing in my clown costume, is that—
00:02:05.040Imitation is the highest form of flattery.
00:02:07.880Okay, if you think this is flattering, that speaks to you.
00:02:11.460What I want to point out in all seriousness is it doesn't matter if you're Republican, Democrat, communist, anarchist, fascist in your day-to-day life.
00:02:19.080What matters is how you interact with the police.
00:02:21.600And you need to appreciate that they are not there if they show up to never talk to the police.
00:02:27.680They are there to hurt you by their own admission.
00:02:30.920And I want everyone to repeat after me something very simple.
00:04:02.300If you have a producer who's not doing their job, you get rid of them.
00:04:13.400If you have a photographer, if you have a sidekick, co-host, whatever, you get rid of them.
00:04:17.900It is when you have a monopoly on a service where there's absolutely no accountability.
00:04:22.240If you watch any – I know how many people here have been burglarized.
00:04:25.360I hope it's a few of you, but some of us have.
00:04:27.920There's not even a – if Amazon doesn't deliver a package, you get a refund or store credit.
00:04:32.360If a store doesn't deliver a product, you get a refund or store credit.
00:04:35.260It is only a monopoly when there's actually not even a pretense that, yeah, we're here to protect you, but if we didn't, well, tough shit, there's nothing.
00:04:42.620We're not even going to pretend to do something about it.
00:04:44.400And everyone just kind of takes this as a given because this is the world we grew up in.
00:04:49.520And my point is it's not at all acceptable that someone who takes a job onto themselves and who doesn't deliver, you're just like, oh, well, what are you going to do?
00:05:52.280And, Michael, you're very intelligent, and I respect you, and I'm glad that you dressed up like me.
00:05:57.700Maybe unintentionally, but the mustache looks great.
00:06:00.720But I would have to – I would have to push back on the monopoly thing because there's tons of private enterprises that do private security work,
00:06:06.400including people that fight against the exploitation of children and work alongside police and do better than police because they're privatized.
00:06:19.260You have a monopoly on putting people in jail, and it's always a given that if there's an emergency – there's not a 911 that is like an Uber service
00:06:26.220where people who have to maybe be qualified, pass certain certifications, and then they could have a rating based –
00:06:49.680So we all know what happens in schools.
00:06:52.240I know someone who's this mentally handicapped guy who's doing a lot of great work because teachers' unions do a great job of protecting the predators
00:06:59.160from having any consequences for their behavior.
00:09:20.620In this scenario, when someone comes into my property and attacks one of the residents, you would agree that – or is the position then put him down, shoot him?
00:09:39.040So if you look at cases like Jordan Neely in New York, if you look at the 2020 riots – this is a great example of this – the cops have no interest or obligation to enforce the law.
00:09:51.660Every so often, they're just going to say, yeah, you know what, we're not going to do anything about it.
00:09:57.200In fact, they are far more interested in arresting and persecuting people who are there enforcing the public safety than they are in attacking and harming criminals.
00:10:08.520Like I said earlier, if someone burglarizes your house, you're going to have no consequences whatsoever.
00:10:13.200But if that person steals from a CVS or whatever, they're on the streets in five minutes and the cops just shrug their shoulders.
00:10:19.840The cops have a lot of influence with the politicians who give them orders.
00:10:24.320And you do not hear them saying, wait a minute, you guys are legalizing shoplifting and this is causing problems in the community because they are just there to follow orders.
00:10:33.480Now, I do not – cops, again, are human beings.
00:10:39.040And that, I think, is something far worse than not having a sense of right and wrong yourself.
00:10:44.060It's when you take obedient orders from people who are depraved like Gavin Newsom, like Nancy Pelosi, and just close your eyes and do whatever they tell you.
00:10:52.380So regarding your situation, it is crazy to me that the only solution we put forward is you have to call the government and the government is not going to do a good job of it.
00:11:04.460So I'm not going to even deny for the sake of this debate that the cops are a necessary evil.
00:11:09.040But I'm just going to have everyone walk away, I hope, tonight with understanding that nevertheless they are an evil.
00:11:14.380But it sounds like your argument is more so because we're forced to pay for it.
00:11:18.480Well, it's not that – A, we're forced to pay for it.
00:11:21.160But B, they're not doing what we're paying for.
00:11:23.940I have no problem with, like, food stamps, right?
00:12:52.420Now, imagine if I have drugs, its intention to distribute, if we're talking about manslaughter versus murder, I'm talking about motive.
00:12:59.240He is comfortable getting on a mic in front of everyone that's being taped and putting words in my mouth.
00:13:06.180Now, imagine a cop has a bad day, you're arrested, and he has to testify.
00:13:09.840He will have no problem saying, I heard him say it.
00:13:11.740I heard him say he doesn't want us to be proactive.
00:13:13.420Now, it's your word against his, and you've got a jury, half of whom are going to be complete idiots and think the opposite of you.
00:13:19.960It's two against one, and this happens all the time.
00:13:23.160I don't care what anyone thinks about me tonight.
00:13:24.940I care about what you walk away with and realize if you talk to the cop, you just saw he didn't hear everything I said and remember everything I said, I don't blame him.
00:13:32.380But what happens when he writes that police report?
00:13:34.180What happens when he testifies against you?
00:13:36.700Well, I just want to say this, and Michael makes some good points, and I would say overall cops probably aren't bad, Rich, but my question for you is when you looked at the pandemic and you saw some, like, the mask police, that they're actually using people like yourself to enforce stuff like wearing a mask.
00:13:52.600Like, is there a line that you would draw where you're like, hey, listen, I believe in the First Amendment more than I believe in my superior telling me what to do?
00:14:02.040Or are you just going to follow orders blindly like Michael says?
00:14:04.840Because a lot of cops did, but a lot of cops were gracious to people like myself that didn't wear a mask.
00:14:09.020So I guess how much personal responsibility do you get even as an officer?
00:14:13.920So I want to say that Michael is right in some aspect of this, right?
00:14:18.500There are people that follow rules, and those rules are bad, and they shouldn't follow them.
00:14:23.200However, on the same side or opposite side of the same point, there's a thing called police discretion, which I've used before, which says that if I look at something as an individual that happens to be a police officer and I deem that I don't want to do anything about it, good or bad, we can debate that later, I can choose not to.
00:14:38.760And I'll give you a personal example of how I did it in the right way, and that's New York State has very strict firearm policies.
00:14:43.840I had somebody that came from out of state that had a legal permit from out of state, but in New York State didn't recognize that pistol permit.
00:16:22.700I am going to ignore it because this is a distraction because the bartender doesn't have the problem to put you in a cage.
00:16:26.960Only cops have the discretion, as he pointed out, that at any time they can throw you in the back of their cop car, throw you in a cell, say disorderly conduct.
00:17:31.740And in the same way that people who want to prey on children go to where the children are, violent people are going to be drawn to jobs where they're able to use violence without impunity.
00:17:41.880It's a small percentage, let me be clear.
00:18:51.960There's plenty of leftists who will tell you that it's appropriate for him to beat me into a coma.
00:18:57.080Because, hey, you shouldn't be calling black people the N-word.
00:18:59.980Cops are the only other group where if you say the wrong thing, they feel entitled to knock you into a coma and pat themselves on the back for it.
00:19:07.900Anyway, so you said that because the job requires violence, so there's like a level of violence that has to be.
00:20:26.300If you tell a cop something that would help your side of the story in a lawsuit in a criminal case, that's hearsay.
00:20:33.980Oh, he said – but if he doesn't remember something you said or gets it a little wrong like he did repeatedly today, all of a sudden it's his word against yours.
00:20:43.120And now your story doesn't add up, and now you're a liar, and now very quickly bad things are going to happen to you as a consequence.
00:21:00.600And you give them their Miranda rights, and you know that most people you deal with are retarded, and they don't even understand their Miranda rights.
00:21:38.240But what I'm talking about, you know that they don't even understand that they would get a free attorney that would tell them to shut the fuck up.
00:22:08.860I understand that you asked that question.
00:22:09.720And then follow-up question, I have to ask, knowing these rights in mind – having these rights in mind, would you like to talk to me now?
00:22:22.300But you know that you are asking questions to a person.
00:22:25.120It doesn't even matter if you sat there for 10 minutes and lectured them on what legal rights they had.
00:22:29.620They still would not understand what it is because some people have a 70 IQ.
00:22:33.920Do you ever feel guilty for them basically not taking advantage of their legal rights like a free attorney?
00:22:39.880So the amount of people that I've questioned that I've read their Miranda rights to, which start off with, you have the right to remain silent.
00:22:48.480If you don't understand that or if you – but there's a difference here.
00:22:53.520Everybody is talking about like, are you smart enough to understand it?
00:22:56.160If I say you have the right to remain silent and then I continue to question you and you say, okay, I would like to be questioned, there's no much more I can do.
00:24:00.400You realize, okay, this person has no idea what the fuck I'm just talking about.
00:24:02.920And that's happened to him repeatedly.
00:24:04.040But he knows as long as he's got the assent, just like when you check up the terms of service on some website or thing, his hands are clean and he can go and pursue the arrest and conviction.
00:24:13.940So you finish that, Miranda writes, with do you want to talk to me, yes or no?
00:25:01.760So if you feel like police officers taking advantage of people that don't understand their rights or don't understand the conversation that they've been in, I would ask you to bring me with some sort of story.
00:25:16.740Just bring something up where you were having a conversation with somebody who felt as though they could not talk to you or didn't understand the conversation, and then you continue to have a conversation with them.
00:25:44.620But there may be some people who want to explain to the police something that happened.
00:25:48.900It may slightly be incriminating, but they're worried about having their kneecaps bashed in by gangs, and they're like, I don't understand what this means, so I'm not going to say anything.
00:25:54.960If you want a what-if every legal thing, I'm with you, but I would need something for me to bounce off of.
00:26:01.160Yeah, I don't follow the question either.
00:26:24.740I'm not – I'm not – I'm not – you can – laugh.
00:26:27.460You should laugh right now because that's obviously humorous.
00:26:30.240Now imagine what happens when there's no cameras and there's no witnesses and he's in a bad mood.
00:26:35.260All of a sudden, he's going to be very happy to remind you of your place in life and who you should be talking to with a polite mouthful voice.
00:26:42.060So before we go to the audience, I do want to ask, what would we have if there were no police?
00:27:03.720Security is an extremely important thing.
00:27:06.340These movements that you see in these big cities to defund the police are, to me, insane because they're defunding them to a point, but they're keeping them in place to make sure people can't protect themselves.
00:27:19.800So you have the police taking out Kyle Rittenhouse.
00:27:23.140You have them taking out Daniel Penny.
00:27:25.320But everybody else is rendered helpless and defenseless.
00:27:27.720So security is far too important of a job to be left to a monopoly, let alone a government monopoly.
00:27:34.080We need police accountability and we need private security to increase.
00:27:38.320But as it is now, there is no accountability.
00:27:41.400And the people who are – if you're in New York – one of the reasons I moved to Austin, thank God I did, is because I – thank you.
00:27:47.640I knew if someone broke into my house and I have pretty cool shit and I tried to defend myself, especially with a firearm, it's far more likely that the law would fall upon me than upon the guy breaking into my house.
00:28:10.320Those laws are enforced by the district attorney's office and the politicians that you elect.
00:28:15.860It's not my fault that you decided to live in a shitty city with bad rules that I choose to ignore because I believe in the Second Amendment.
00:28:23.440You chose to live in a state that says here are the guidelines and then you go, it's the cops' fault that they put handcuffs on me.
00:28:30.560Not at all for the fact that there's a judge, a jury, a district attorney, a state senator, and a governor that are all against you, not the cops.
00:28:38.340Just because we collect you doesn't mean we're responsible for the end result.
00:28:41.760So if I hire Tim to kill Alex, which one of us has committed a crime?
00:41:55.660And just like charity is very much discouraged because you have the government to rely on that puts less and less responsibility for individuals to fix this.
00:42:03.800And a great example of this is, again, Daniel Penny or Perry.
00:46:07.760Because it's not, if it wasn't on camera, there would be more of a difficulty or a burden of proof.
00:46:12.700But also, because of your distrust of police, something that's happened, I think, in the positivity that people thought was going to be a bad thing,
00:46:20.340is that more and more officers are getting body cams.
00:46:55.940It's the good cops that are the problem because they are the ones who will smile and nod and follow orders from politicians and do whatever they're told.
00:47:03.820And I'll give you a very easy example.
00:48:58.900And not like in a physical aspect but to like blame the person, whether it's the cop or the individual, for guilt.
00:49:04.240So you have to be very careful with how much information you put out at a time.
00:49:08.280Let's say that it's something more heinous like a murder or a serious assault where somebody's shot.
00:49:12.820You can blame somebody, and social media is well-known for this.
00:49:16.520I've done a couple videos, angry cops.
00:49:18.540Anyway, so you've got to be careful with the amount of information that you put out and what information you put out.
00:49:24.920And although police departments need to be responsible and react to community requests in order to once again gain the trust of the community, which is important,
00:49:35.340we also have to put the investigation above that because the victims – outstanding – because the victims are the most important thing when it comes to an investigation.
01:04:37.480One of the cultural issues that I think is a big problem is people who have large followings get what they want from corporations, from governments, because they can create fear of public pressure.
01:04:48.800All right, so to kind of go against what he was saying, where he's like, everybody that's got a bunch of money gets arrested, but they get away with it.
01:04:56.180A lot of people with no money get arrested and get away with it.
01:04:59.860If you go to New York State, specifically the city of Buffalo, the one that I police, the amount of people that get picked up with illegal firearms, not to say that they're carrying concealed in a legal manner.
01:05:09.160I'm saying, like, people that do it in, like, for drug sales, for other illegal activities, parts of gangs, their intent is to shoot another person, right?
01:05:15.800The amount of people that get youthful offender status, juvenile offender status, and have the second or third or fourth gun thrown away because they're from a socioeconomical people.
01:05:29.120I'm saying because of crimes they committed, not because they're carrying it.
01:05:32.740I'm saying specifically because of gang violence, but honing in just on gang violence and drug activity.
01:05:38.400The amount of people that have no money that get public defenders where the prosecutor's office, the district attorney's office is like, there's too fucking many of them.
01:05:49.360I put a gun to a guy's head and said, I'm going to fucking kill you.
01:05:52.120And then the cop showed up and stopped him.
01:05:54.120And we're going to knock it down to attempted assault.
01:05:58.480So many thousands more than Enron, who eventually got caught.
01:06:03.280You can take everything you said to the bank as gospel because it's completely true, and that's really, really scary because if everyone in this room, I was just naive.
01:06:10.580I thought, if something happens to me, I go to DA and they're going to pursue it.
01:06:15.060And the amount of crimes, like actual indisputable crimes that DAs pursue is such a small number.
01:06:22.660So this justice system is just there as a wealth extraction mechanism for the people in government.
01:06:33.500So the funny thing about all of this is that I could be wrong.
01:06:36.200You lost me at wealth extraction, but okay.
01:06:38.200Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that if every single person who went before a judge on a crime requested a jury trial, the system would implode.
01:07:13.700One person thought that even though she was kidnapped, she could still consent to sex.
01:07:27.220One person thought that even though you're kidnapped, you can still consent to sex.
01:07:35.060So that person would not go forward with the rape charges of the five people that raped a special needs girl on camera with her crying, no, stop, that hurts.
01:07:44.340I'm starting to hate human beings again.
01:09:38.380When they give you the ticket, there's the reason why they stopped you.
01:09:41.440For the I scan your plate or I type down your license plate without pulling you over or having anything prior to, the license plate in New York State and all other states is owned by the state.
01:09:53.720You're renting the plate from the state.
01:09:56.640The state is the state or the plate is the state's property.
01:09:59.580So I, as a representative of the law enforcement agency within that state, can then run it.
01:10:05.220And if you are suspended, if the registration is suspended or there's no inspection or the inspection expired or a large thing is that car or the registration that comes back is stolen, then I can pull it over.
01:10:18.940So anybody that would like to say if you run the plate without them doing anything that's bad and illegal, I would then ask you, well, how are we supposed to catch stolen vehicles?
01:10:27.220When the registered owner puts that plate out as stolen.
01:10:39.980So there's there's a time and a place because you get pulled over.
01:10:43.500It doesn't mean you get to demand that they tell you right then and there for the reason of the stop.
01:10:47.560And like I said, in the most extreme situation, if they don't say anything, then the ticket that they give you is the reason for the stop, which normally they would explain and say, here's a ticket.
01:11:14.700So when you're when you're stopped by police in New York state, because I can speak for that, because I know that you are required to show identification and your license for traveling on New York state throughways, thoroughfares in the city, et cetera, because tax dollars paid for the city's roads, the state's thoroughfares, et cetera.
01:11:38.480So if I pull you over and you refuse to answer any questions, that's one thing.
01:11:42.740If you keep the window rolled up and refuse to show ID, which is required of you and you sign an agreement when you take your driver's test and get your ID, then it would be obstruction and I could arrest you for obstruction.
01:11:53.860Likely, most states, though, obstruction is the lesser violation charge.
01:11:58.900So I might break out your window and tow your car or break out your window and pull you out.
01:12:03.300But then I would give you like a violation level ticket.
01:12:05.400So a person could, if they get pulled over, crack their window a little bit.
01:12:08.240When you walk up, just hand the license, insurance or registration and then say nothing.
01:12:12.100And that's that's all they have to do.
01:12:13.340To quote officer from the law enforcement, all you have to do is provide your ID so you can crack the window and hand it them.
01:12:19.600Keep your hands up on the wheel so the officer doesn't feel freaked out.
01:14:06.700Well, you can drive as fast as you wanted, so you agree with Hitler.
01:14:09.420The point being, if I'm wealthy, the speed ticket's not going to matter, but if I'm extremely poor, that $100 is going to make a big difference one way or another.
01:14:16.700And it's very fucked up – what's going on here?
01:14:20.980It's very fucked up that this is something that happens, and there's no other situation where they just give you a ticket.
01:14:26.880Maybe we could take all the money from the rich people and then evenly distribute it out to everybody.
01:14:30.500Or maybe if someone commits a crime that's not hurting anyone or is actually threatening people, you give them a warning enough times, you're not allowed to drive.
01:14:38.500But the ticket in this situation is only a way to regressively tax supporters.
01:14:42.340Speeding is potentially hurting somebody.
01:18:09.960Now, I'm hearing pornstache sitting here saying that no cops are ever held accountable.
01:18:15.400However, I would argue that's not true, especially when we have cops that are being held accountable for merely following their training, such as Derek Chauvin.
01:18:24.880Derek Chauvin was not held accountable.
01:20:09.780If you're a suspect, probably your best thing.
01:20:12.300If you're a subject, you could help out the investigation.
01:20:13.960If you're a victim, you talk to a cop.
01:20:15.420No, I'm talking about just if you're a suspect, if you're being considered as a, they want to charge you with a crime, it never benefits you to talk to a cop.
01:21:27.620If the choice you're facing is to plea and get three years in jail or roll the dice with 12 years on a jury and possibly look at 40, a lot of you would take the three.
01:22:24.060Your story is not – if your story – you're very nervous, and we've all been nervous, being on a job interview, and maybe your story differs in some details.
01:22:30.320Now they can say, look, you told the cop here you go in the supermarket.
01:22:33.320Here you said they're going to 7-Eleven.
01:23:50.780I'm not speaking, I'm not answering questions from a cop.
01:23:53.280If you're a person that has, if you're a person of sound mind and sound body, and you choose to make a business decision with all the information in front of you, how is that a bad thing?
01:24:04.100Because if I'm a police officer saying, here are your rights, and here's all the information in front of you, is that not capitalism?
01:24:09.920Is that not giving you all the information that's necessary and available in order for you to make a choice, and then you choose it?
01:24:15.680So I literally told you I find capitalism an indefensible term, and now you're proceeding as if I'm for capitalism.
01:30:15.600They're not getting all these other things.
01:30:16.920So the number of people who come here, the problem with the immigrants isn't necessarily like that stereotypical guy
01:30:22.520who's like outside Home Depot wants a job.
01:30:23.880So it's the people who are just here to be on the dole and then to raise their kids to a Democrat.
01:30:28.120So in this system where currently polling shows that most people – this is across the board, even CNN finds this – want illegal immigrants deported.
01:30:57.540So if you have a system where law enforcement is privatized, everybody – or I should say in the majority of the country, most people are like, we all agree these people shouldn't be here.
01:31:06.700Unfortunately, there's no mechanism by which –
01:31:08.280I don't think – I'm going to disagree with you slightly.
01:31:11.160There's something called revealed preferences, right?
01:31:13.160So people might say, you know, I'm for this issue.
01:31:16.700But as soon as they see that footage on TV, all of a sudden they're against it.
01:31:19.760So people speak out of both minds on many issues.
01:31:22.160So ostensibly people are against the board of illegal immigrants.
01:31:24.900But when they see that gram on TV, all of a sudden – no, no, no, no, not like that.
01:31:27.500So in this hypothetical scenario where everybody agrees people who enter here illegally or in violation of the will of the market and the community, we want them removed, it doesn't sound like you can do it.
01:31:40.540Well, it's also that there wouldn't really be any problem.
01:31:43.220It doesn't matter if there's a problem.
01:31:44.360It matters with the – like we're all here right now and we're like, hey, we got to throw this guy out.
01:31:54.720If someone – you want to get somebody out of this place, anyone can do it.
01:31:58.020So in this system then, it would just be incumbent upon the citizenry to be like, we're going to go out and we're going to grab people and remove them.
01:32:04.940But I don't think there will be that many people to remove.
01:32:32.100There's different kinds of illegal immigrants.
01:32:34.240So these kind of questions conflate different things, right?
01:32:37.200So it does matter because people are certainly willing to put resources to someone who's a member of a gang, but they might ostensibly before get rid of that grandma.
01:33:53.320The issue is that we would say people who are unelected bureaucrats who don't follow what the Trump administration wants to do, for example, are the problem.
01:34:02.340And the people who would follow what the Trump administration wants to do are the ones who are the good ones.
01:34:09.980But for some reason, in your opinion, when we elect politicians or we elect DAs, suddenly the cops who follow what the people elected to do are the issue.
01:43:02.540We can all agree that there are good and bad police, and a lot of us have seen both.
01:43:08.720But is the answer to do away with police in favor of private security or rework the police system?
01:43:17.960For example, make it easier to fire a cop for not doing their job, which in the end is to uphold and protect the Constitution.
01:43:29.340Because if police are human, because if police are human, then so are private security, if some cop can be a feckless cunt, what is stopping a private security guard?
01:43:50.920You're going to always have murderers, rapists, robbers, burglars.
01:43:56.720Anyone who argues otherwise is talking out of his ass.
01:43:59.620There's always going to be evil people or even crazy people.
01:44:02.200Point is, are you going to have a system where there's accountability?
01:44:07.060And when you have any monopoly on any product or service, the people who are delivering that product or service are not going to be held accountable.
01:44:16.460So I would also be happy with what you said.
01:44:19.660If they're even within the system that we have, there'll be more accountability for the cops that exist.
01:46:50.640But just as cops are still human, humans are also cops.
01:46:56.200These are people who have gone through trainings and those trainings haven't been updated and that they should be updated for increased responsibilities and increased actions for their authorities.
01:47:07.740What makes you say the trainings haven't been updated?
01:47:20.100Honestly, I think they're – I'm going to take the cop side in this one.
01:47:22.420If you watch the police body cam footage, a lot of times, even though in any other situation they'd be knocking the person out, they're de-escalating, and they're talking to someone who's complete trash and being like, sir, sir, sir.
01:47:34.660And when that guy – there was a guy who went to Midtown Manhattan and shot up his office place.
01:47:40.560When he came downstairs, NYC cops started shooting wildly at him, and they missed and hit seven bystanders.
01:47:47.480And the story that emerged was that the officers in New York were getting the bare minimum training because the city had decided if the cost of lawsuits are lower than the cost of training, they would prefer the lawsuits instead.
01:48:00.360So I'll give you some real talk here about police range shootings because I was a range officer for my department.
01:48:07.160So, one, NYPD has different Glock setups than everybody else.
01:48:11.520They have a 10-plus-pound trigger addition.
01:48:14.080So normally a Glock is like seven to five-pound trigger pull.
01:48:16.820They have one so it adds an additional five pounds.
01:48:19.380If you do that to somebody, which most cops are, someone that gets one day of training that shoots their – whatever it is, qualification for their department, that's not training.
01:48:32.720So you get officers that don't train that only do qualification.
01:48:35.800Now they have a heavier trigger squeeze.
01:48:37.960And for everybody that knows anything about guns, the heavier a trigger squeeze is on a pistol, the firmer you have to grip it, right?
01:48:44.600So you've got – you're sitting there pulling back 10, 15 pounds, and you've got a weak wrist and low or no training other than qualification.
01:48:52.100You're either going to push the pistol to the left or pull it to the right.
01:48:55.800If you've had one day of training, it doesn't matter what kind of gun you've got, you're not going to hit the shot with a handgun.
01:49:03.660So what a lot of – not a lot of – NYC used to be the pinnacle of police training.
01:49:11.820Every department would look at them because they're the largest city in the states, and they've got the largest department, like 40,000 or 70,000 officers.
01:49:18.160And they would say, what are they doing right, and let's do it.
01:49:20.720And one of the things that they see from New York State or New York City and what they're doing wrong is the additional pound on the trigger.
01:49:27.280Is there fear, I would say, or a logical fear of training on a firearm because they don't want them to use it?
01:49:34.080It's almost like an intentional neglect on firearm training.
01:49:37.420So then the officers aren't good at using it.
01:49:39.800Therefore, they're fearful of using it.
01:49:45.280People that actually need lethal force are either hurt in the crossfire, are either not being protected and lose their lives because the individual that's attacking them is not being stopped appropriately.
01:49:55.220And you can go down the list from there.
01:50:04.340Honestly, the answer would have been gun proliferation in that building.
01:50:06.500If there are more people in that building who had guns, or Duvalde and these other places.
01:50:09.980In Duvalde, the parents were ready to go in there and save their kids, and the cops held them back.
01:50:13.680Do you think, real quick though, do you think there should be, if we allow for guns in places like New York, should they require bullets to be frangible or something like that?
01:51:02.220My question, I guess, would be for Michael.
01:51:03.860So how would you, in the instance of having all these private security in place of police, how would you handle a large, like, organized crime?
01:51:36.520What happened with the rise of the mafia was prohibition.
01:51:39.620And after a while, they started shooting enough cops that the cops were like, I'm not enforcing this law, and they repealed the law.
01:51:44.540So if you have things like increased – you see some numbers in Colorado, right?
01:51:49.060If you have this kind of gang take over department building and you have a community where everyone's armed, everyone has this sense of community, very quickly, it's going to have to be – someone's going to have to be violent at some point.
01:51:58.240Right now, it's just kind of the cops are going to come in.
01:52:00.820Otherwise, it would be much harder to come in to begin with.
01:52:04.100But there's no – anyone who tells you there's an easy answer when you have a large population with weapons who are intent and doing you harm, there's no one sense to answer this in any situation.
01:52:14.300So if somebody has to go in there and they have to be violent, wouldn't you prefer to be a police officer that's held liable by the community instead of a bunch of individuals that can do it without any sort of use of force training?
01:52:26.540I – where I disagree with you is I don't think cops are ever held liable or else all those cops who killed all those dogs would be rotting in jail right now.
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