The Culture War - Tim Pool - The Great Police DEBATE w⧸ Michael Malice, Jason Ellis, Angry Cops, & Alex Stein

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, pardon me, I'm losing my voice, but I'll do my best.

00:00:21.500 This is the second live culture war at the DC Comedy Loft.

00:00:26.820 We've got a great panel here.

00:00:28.000 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:00:28.660 It's going to be very funny.

00:00:29.380 I imagine it'll be a bit contentious.

00:00:31.340 This is the great police debate.

00:00:33.020 Why don't we start from the right and have everybody introduce themselves?

00:00:36.020 Hi, my name is Rich.

00:00:37.620 I do things on the internet, and I'm also a police officer on YouTubes called Angry Cops.

00:00:43.660 Yeah.

00:00:46.100 You guys know who I am?

00:00:47.660 Primetime 99. 1.00

00:00:48.720 I am the pimp on a blimp, and I say, fuck the police. 1.00

00:00:53.600 I would gladly get fucked by that man. 1.00

00:00:56.980 No ditty. 1.00

00:00:57.700 Hey, everybody.

00:00:59.560 I am Michael Malice, and I'm here to remind you that the cops are not your friend, that you can talk your way into an arrest, but you can't talk your way out of them.

00:01:11.020 I'm Jason Ellis.

00:01:12.080 I'm a criminal. 0.99

00:01:13.820 I was born in Australia, so I want to say fuck the police, but I really like them, but I don't know. 1.00

00:01:19.140 Fuck everybody. 1.00

00:01:20.180 Right on. 1.00

00:01:21.380 Well, ladies and gentlemen, I am Tim Pool, your host, along with co-host Alex Stein.

00:01:26.360 Let's go.

00:01:27.320 This is going to be a lot of fun.

00:01:28.360 And, of course, I think to kick off the great conversation, I will start with the truth, and that is no cop anywhere, for any reason, has ever done anything wrong.

00:01:39.220 I disagree.

00:01:40.580 I agree?

00:01:43.160 So you guys admit that you're corrupt?

00:01:44.920 Okay, debate, you lost.

00:01:47.000 Thanks for coming.

00:01:47.860 Yeah, you guys, let's get out of here.

00:01:49.340 I guess it's over.

00:01:51.040 We'll all give up now and let Baltimore go back to what it was.

00:01:53.840 Yeah, okay.

00:01:54.800 Because there's no cops in Baltimore.

00:01:56.240 What I want everyone here to realize, because this is something I'm being very serious now, despite dressing in my clown costume, is that—

00:02:05.040 Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

00:02:07.020 Right.

00:02:07.880 Okay, if you think this is flattering, that speaks to you.

00:02:11.460 What I want to point out in all seriousness is it doesn't matter if you're Republican, Democrat, communist, anarchist, fascist in your day-to-day life.

00:02:19.080 What matters is how you interact with the police.

00:02:21.600 And you need to appreciate that they are not there if they show up to never talk to the police.

00:02:27.680 They are there to hurt you by their own admission.

00:02:30.920 And I want everyone to repeat after me something very simple.

00:02:33.520 It's all I want you to think today.

00:02:35.020 Cops are human beings.

00:02:36.280 Can you repeat that after me?

00:02:37.120 One, two, three.

00:02:38.100 Cops are human beings.

00:02:40.120 And human beings are capable of great heroism and great evil.

00:02:44.160 And you'll hear my colleague throughout today acting as if cops aren't human beings, and they act differently than other human beings.

00:02:50.420 They do not.

00:02:51.140 They are human beings, period.

00:02:53.300 And that means certain corollaries, which I think most of us understand, and what you look forward to us exploring today.

00:02:58.060 So I have a question.

00:02:59.620 Because there's that famous Supreme Court justice.

00:03:02.540 Castle Rock?

00:03:03.420 Is that who that was?

00:03:04.080 And he said never talk to the police.

00:03:05.040 Oh, no, no.

00:03:05.500 He was a former attorney general.

00:03:07.220 Attorney general.

00:03:07.840 Yes.

00:03:08.220 Here's the issue is that I've had people try to kill me and my family.

00:03:11.820 Who's talking over there?

00:03:12.940 Someone.

00:03:13.440 They should not be.

00:03:15.320 Am I going to have to?

00:03:18.540 Already abusing authorities.

00:03:20.040 One of us.

00:03:21.140 One of us.

00:03:25.560 Okay, here's a serious question.

00:03:27.560 My family's been threatened.

00:03:29.260 We've had crazy people show up threatening us.

00:03:31.200 We had a guy show up to our old property and attack one of our employees.

00:03:36.600 I have no choice but to talk to the police.

00:03:38.860 Because of the police, correct.

00:03:39.800 So if you had a different kind of situation.

00:03:42.040 Well, no, because we want to stop them from doing it.

00:03:44.140 Did they do that?

00:03:45.540 The people, did they stop?

00:03:46.640 Yeah.

00:03:47.520 So I'll put it this way.

00:03:48.340 Did the cops do the job they claimed they were going to do?

00:03:50.840 Probably not.

00:03:51.600 Probably not.

00:03:51.900 It's like C plus.

00:03:53.080 Okay.

00:03:53.420 So here's the thing.

00:03:54.600 If you have a producer on your show.

00:03:58.900 I'm sorry if I'm interrupting your guys' conversation. 1.00

00:04:01.220 Shut the fuck up! 1.00

00:04:02.300 If you have a producer who's not doing their job, you get rid of them. 1.00

00:04:13.400 If you have a photographer, if you have a sidekick, co-host, whatever, you get rid of them.

00:04:17.900 It is when you have a monopoly on a service where there's absolutely no accountability.

00:04:22.240 If you watch any – I know how many people here have been burglarized.

00:04:25.360 I hope it's a few of you, but some of us have.

00:04:27.920 There's not even a – if Amazon doesn't deliver a package, you get a refund or store credit.

00:04:32.360 If a store doesn't deliver a product, you get a refund or store credit. 0.97

00:04:35.260 It is only a monopoly when there's actually not even a pretense that, yeah, we're here to protect you, but if we didn't, well, tough shit, there's nothing. 0.97

00:04:42.620 We're not even going to pretend to do something about it. 0.97

00:04:44.400 And everyone just kind of takes this as a given because this is the world we grew up in.

00:04:49.520 And my point is it's not at all acceptable that someone who takes a job onto themselves and who doesn't deliver, you're just like, oh, well, what are you going to do?

00:04:58.380 That's all I'm saying.

00:04:59.220 Fair point.

00:05:00.140 We did hire private security after this.

00:05:01.600 You had to.

00:05:02.400 Yeah.

00:05:02.760 And you pay a lot in taxes.

00:05:04.560 And if that money was being used correctly, this problem wouldn't – those people would be in the ground.

00:05:09.200 Yeah, Rich.

00:05:09.720 Real quick, Rich.

00:05:10.760 I'm on Michael's side now.

00:05:11.700 Well, I want to say this, though, as a black man, like, I get pulled over all the time for driving while black.

00:05:18.160 Yeah. 0.96

00:05:18.500 And you're always like, oh, you have weed.

00:05:21.100 Yeah, I have weed. 1.00

00:05:21.900 But, I mean, you shouldn't – I shouldn't be racially profiled by, you know, some bald asshole, you know, like yourself. 1.00

00:05:29.820 Stop slinging that big, fat, black dick and banging my white wife. 1.00

00:05:33.360 That's true. 1.00

00:05:34.760 You are right.

00:05:35.540 You have a good point.

00:05:36.620 Yeah.

00:05:37.780 Yeah.

00:05:38.540 I just – you know, what do you say about that, that sometimes some cops will target people or minorities? 0.92

00:05:45.640 Well, that's because we have small penises and we're jealous of the amount of money that they make tax-free from selling drugs. 1.00

00:05:50.080 This is my favorite cop. 0.99

00:05:51.200 This is a good cop.

00:05:52.280 And, Michael, you're very intelligent, and I respect you, and I'm glad that you dressed up like me.

00:05:57.700 Maybe unintentionally, but the mustache looks great.

00:06:00.720 But I would have to – I would have to push back on the monopoly thing because there's tons of private enterprises that do private security work,

00:06:06.400 including people that fight against the exploitation of children and work alongside police and do better than police because they're privatized.

00:06:13.000 Correct.

00:06:13.220 So, yeah, we don't have a monopoly on protecting the Americans.

00:06:17.980 You have a monopoly on arrest.

00:06:19.260 You have a monopoly on putting people in jail, and it's always a given that if there's an emergency – there's not a 911 that is like an Uber service

00:06:26.220 where people who have to maybe be qualified, pass certain certifications, and then they could have a rating based –

00:06:31.980 I'm sorry.

00:06:32.380 There is now.

00:06:33.300 We covered this.

00:06:33.920 It's called, like, Protect.

00:06:34.620 It's in California.

00:06:35.500 They're starting to make them.

00:06:36.240 Sure.

00:06:36.740 Uber for security.

00:06:37.740 That's exactly what should be universal.

00:06:39.140 And there's police boards that state – or they go over, like, a police officer's background and their complaints,

00:06:45.480 and they're part of the community.

00:06:46.540 They're part of, like, a mayoral or something.

00:06:49.260 Right, right, right.

00:06:49.680 So we all know what happens in schools.

00:06:52.240 I know someone who's this mentally handicapped guy who's doing a lot of great work because teachers' unions do a great job of protecting the predators

00:06:59.160 from having any consequences for their behavior.

00:07:01.740 It's very true.

00:07:02.380 And do you know why?

00:07:03.640 Because teachers are human beings, and unions will act in a certain way.

00:07:07.360 They will protect their own, and that is their job to protect their own.

00:07:10.920 So when teachers act inappropriately, it takes a lot to get them fired.

00:07:15.980 Anyone – and here's the thing.

00:07:17.980 I know I know that my colleague and I can't lie because cops only tell the truth.

00:07:22.100 Hashtag believe cops.

00:07:23.800 So everything I say, you should double-check for yourselves, right?

00:07:28.880 So Google, like, teachers' unions and sexual abuse, and the results will shock you.

00:07:34.540 Now, the idea that the police unions are going to be any different would only be true if cops aren't human beings.

00:07:40.880 They are human beings.

00:07:42.120 And unions act identically regardless of the field.

00:07:45.020 Their job is to protect their own people from any consequences.

00:07:48.440 And there's story after story.

00:07:50.560 Let's look at the Eric Garner case.

00:07:52.740 How much money would Nancy Pelosi have to give you to put your hands on someone for selling cigarettes? 1.00

00:07:58.780 It's insane.

00:07:59.860 And none of those people lost their jobs or had any consequences for it.

00:08:02.620 The only person who went to jail in that situation was the photographer.

00:08:06.200 Is your mustache coming out of your nose?

00:08:10.740 It's so tight.

00:08:11.820 You guys can't see it.

00:08:12.820 It's, like, right in the hole.

00:08:14.460 It's rooted in the brainstem.

00:08:16.620 So I have a question for you.

00:08:17.560 The brainstem's in the back.

00:08:19.460 So when I said that we had a –

00:08:20.820 You wouldn't know that, right?

00:08:21.700 We had a crazy guy come to our property, attack one of the residents there.

00:08:26.700 I said I have to call the – I talked to the police.

00:08:28.380 And he said because the police make me.

00:08:30.240 Who is going to track this person down and identify them and then lock them up if there were no police?

00:08:36.460 Well, I don't think that person necessarily should be locked up.

00:08:38.560 I think that person should be in the ground, frankly, number one.

00:08:41.460 Number two is I don't really know necessarily what the alternative would be.

00:08:45.160 If only we had somebody to investigate it.

00:08:47.920 And have – okay.

00:08:50.820 See, I'm going to – he's going to have to use a lot of sarcasm and, quote, unquote, humor because he knows his position is indefensible.

00:08:57.860 Oh, he's funny.

00:08:59.640 Let me – let me –

00:09:00.520 I'm not finished.

00:09:02.440 To answer the –

00:09:03.140 You are finished.

00:09:03.860 You trashed it and then you said you don't have an answer to it.

00:09:06.860 Ooh. 0.83

00:09:07.680 He's a black woman and he has the right to speak.

00:09:10.120 Okay.

00:09:10.880 You talking about me or him?

00:09:12.100 Yes.

00:09:12.600 Okay.

00:09:13.000 Okay.

00:09:13.360 In that case, I'm finished.

00:09:15.220 Okay, but here's the point.

00:09:16.280 You said that guy should have been in the ground.

00:09:18.740 Yeah. 0.77

00:09:20.620 In this scenario, when someone comes into my property and attacks one of the residents, you would agree that – or is the position then put him down, shoot him?

00:09:29.440 Yeah.

00:09:31.140 And let's talk about how the cops enable this sort of situation.

00:09:34.440 So – okay.

00:09:35.800 Okay.

00:09:36.240 If you –

00:09:36.480 I don't want to – I don't want to get you up, so address that one yet.

00:09:38.620 Yeah, sure.

00:09:39.040 So if you look at cases like Jordan Neely in New York, if you look at the 2020 riots – this is a great example of this – the cops have no interest or obligation to enforce the law.

00:09:51.660 Every so often, they're just going to say, yeah, you know what, we're not going to do anything about it.

00:09:55.620 And you have absolutely no recourse.

00:09:57.200 In fact, they are far more interested in arresting and persecuting people who are there enforcing the public safety than they are in attacking and harming criminals.

00:10:08.520 Like I said earlier, if someone burglarizes your house, you're going to have no consequences whatsoever.

00:10:13.200 But if that person steals from a CVS or whatever, they're on the streets in five minutes and the cops just shrug their shoulders.

00:10:19.840 The cops have a lot of influence with the politicians who give them orders. 0.86

00:10:24.320 And you do not hear them saying, wait a minute, you guys are legalizing shoplifting and this is causing problems in the community because they are just there to follow orders.

00:10:33.480 Now, I do not – cops, again, are human beings.

00:10:35.940 They are not sociopaths.

00:10:37.620 They just follow orders from them.

00:10:39.040 And that, I think, is something far worse than not having a sense of right and wrong yourself.

00:10:44.060 It's when you take obedient orders from people who are depraved like Gavin Newsom, like Nancy Pelosi, and just close your eyes and do whatever they tell you.

00:10:52.380 So regarding your situation, it is crazy to me that the only solution we put forward is you have to call the government and the government is not going to do a good job of it.

00:11:04.460 So I'm not going to even deny for the sake of this debate that the cops are a necessary evil.

00:11:09.040 But I'm just going to have everyone walk away, I hope, tonight with understanding that nevertheless they are an evil.

00:11:14.380 But it sounds like your argument is more so because we're forced to pay for it.

00:11:18.480 Well, it's not that – A, we're forced to pay for it.

00:11:21.160 But B, they're not doing what we're paying for.

00:11:23.940 I have no problem with, like, food stamps, right?

00:11:25.960 We're forced to pay for it.

00:11:27.000 But if no one's starving, great. 0.98

00:11:28.720 And if it's wasteful, I don't fucking care. 0.98

00:11:30.360 Like, I don't want to see starving kids. 0.99

00:11:31.600 You know what I mean?

00:11:32.000 But if you're going to take money for security, why is there any crime at all?

00:11:35.420 Oh, man, I've got, like, so many rebuttals to the thing that you said.

00:11:41.040 I wish I had a notepad.

00:11:42.380 One, why do police get – why do police officers get unions?

00:11:45.060 Unions are bad.

00:11:45.640 They only protect the person.

00:11:46.520 Because there's bad people that take advantage of complaint systems, so then they complain about police officers that are proactive.

00:11:51.920 Two, if you don't want police officers showing up, how do you want us to be proactive?

00:11:55.100 You don't want us to be proactive, but you want us to show up when a crime happens and solve it.

00:11:58.900 But you don't want us to be proactive to stop the burglary from happening at Tim's house.

00:12:01.860 Second, what was the other one?

00:12:04.540 There was another one.

00:12:05.600 There was another one.

00:12:06.620 Shooting the guy dead? 0.99

00:12:07.640 Shooting the guy dead. 0.99

00:12:08.500 Well, that's not good. 0.85

00:12:09.260 What if he's accidentally trespassing even though you didn't properly label the science?

00:12:12.140 Now, you killed somebody without justification, so we have to make sure that happens.

00:12:15.020 How does that happen?

00:12:15.960 Rules set in place by the government, whether it's local, city, county, et cetera.

00:12:20.080 Geez, what did he just end on?

00:12:21.480 I don't know, but, Rich, I have a question.

00:12:22.780 No, no, no, I have to take a point because he did something that's very dangerous, and I want you all to realize what he just did.

00:12:28.240 I'm a dangerous man. 0.85

00:12:28.960 You are, because you can kill people with no consequence. 0.96

00:12:31.700 That's not true at all. 0.61

00:12:32.460 Okay, cool.

00:12:33.020 There are some cops.

00:12:33.800 Hold on, hold on.

00:12:34.520 I just dealt with riots from George Floyd.

00:12:36.380 Okay, that's cool.

00:12:37.340 I'm speaking now.

00:12:38.980 No cop ever does anything bad.

00:12:41.020 Just like if you go to jail, no one's a criminal.

00:12:42.620 Just ask them.

00:12:43.280 But, again, he's one of the good ones.

00:12:44.480 It wouldn't apply to me.

00:12:45.760 He said that I don't want the cops to be proactive.

00:12:50.720 That speaks to motive.

00:12:52.420 Now, imagine if I have drugs, its intention to distribute, if we're talking about manslaughter versus murder, I'm talking about motive.

00:12:59.240 He is comfortable getting on a mic in front of everyone that's being taped and putting words in my mouth.

00:13:06.180 Now, imagine a cop has a bad day, you're arrested, and he has to testify.

00:13:09.840 He will have no problem saying, I heard him say it.

00:13:11.740 I heard him say he doesn't want us to be proactive. 1.00

00:13:13.420 Now, it's your word against his, and you've got a jury, half of whom are going to be complete idiots and think the opposite of you. 1.00

00:13:19.960 It's two against one, and this happens all the time. 0.99

00:13:23.160 I don't care what anyone thinks about me tonight.

00:13:24.940 I care about what you walk away with and realize if you talk to the cop, you just saw he didn't hear everything I said and remember everything I said, I don't blame him.

00:13:32.380 But what happens when he writes that police report?

00:13:34.180 What happens when he testifies against you? 1.00

00:13:35.940 You are fucked. 0.99

00:13:36.700 Well, I just want to say this, and Michael makes some good points, and I would say overall cops probably aren't bad, Rich, but my question for you is when you looked at the pandemic and you saw some, like, the mask police, that they're actually using people like yourself to enforce stuff like wearing a mask. 1.00

00:13:52.600 Like, is there a line that you would draw where you're like, hey, listen, I believe in the First Amendment more than I believe in my superior telling me what to do?

00:14:01.640 Yeah.

00:14:02.040 Or are you just going to follow orders blindly like Michael says?

00:14:04.840 Because a lot of cops did, but a lot of cops were gracious to people like myself that didn't wear a mask.

00:14:09.020 So I guess how much personal responsibility do you get even as an officer?

00:14:13.920 So I want to say that Michael is right in some aspect of this, right?

00:14:18.500 There are people that follow rules, and those rules are bad, and they shouldn't follow them.

00:14:23.200 However, on the same side or opposite side of the same point, there's a thing called police discretion, which I've used before, which says that if I look at something as an individual that happens to be a police officer and I deem that I don't want to do anything about it, good or bad, we can debate that later, I can choose not to.

00:14:38.760 And I'll give you a personal example of how I did it in the right way, and that's New York State has very strict firearm policies.

00:14:43.840 I had somebody that came from out of state that had a legal permit from out of state, but in New York State didn't recognize that pistol permit.

00:14:51.100 I pull him over.

00:14:52.000 He had marijuana at the time.

00:14:52.960 It was illegal.

00:14:53.520 I pull him out, search the marijuana.

00:14:55.560 He tells me he has a firearm in the car he's carrying legally.

00:14:58.060 He's not in New York State.

00:15:00.380 What do I do?

00:15:01.960 I unload the firearm.

00:15:03.300 I put the firearm in the glove compartment.

00:15:04.740 I put the ammo on his seat, and I say, hey, I'm not one of those New York City cops that doesn't like guns.

00:15:10.720 I'm all about you carrying legally.

00:15:12.860 Go home.

00:15:14.000 If you load it, keep it in your hand, in your, whatchamacallit, glove compartment.

00:15:18.580 Thank you.

00:15:19.500 And you'd be great on the stand.

00:15:21.920 And take it back to the state that you're from.

00:15:25.000 Make sure you follow all traffic laws.

00:15:26.700 I'm all for freedom as long as it's legal.

00:15:28.460 What he just admitted to everybody, shamelessly, is that he only enforces the law when he feels like it.

00:15:36.460 There is no...

00:15:37.380 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:15:38.240 I'm saying that he uses discretion.

00:15:40.020 I think that's, I mean, I think that's a little different.

00:15:42.120 I think Michael doesn't like that.

00:15:43.520 No, no.

00:15:44.140 Let him speak.

00:15:44.980 Let him cook.

00:15:45.560 Let him cook.

00:15:45.980 Let him cook.

00:15:46.560 Like, there's no other product or service where if the person has a good day or bad day, it's what's going to happen as a result of it.

00:15:55.780 That's not true.

00:15:57.120 That's not true.

00:15:57.900 You go to any store and you ask the barista for coffee, they're not going to be like, nah, I'm not going to give you coffee.

00:16:02.440 What about the, what is it, the Malaysian flight MH370, right?

00:16:06.680 That pilot was having a bad day and then they all died.

00:16:09.920 We're talking about America.

00:16:10.920 No.

00:16:11.180 Michael.

00:16:11.520 They got teleported away by orbs in the sky.

00:16:14.080 Michael, the bartenders right there can get in trouble for over-serving and they can choose not to over-serve you, isn't that...

00:16:19.400 Sure.

00:16:19.960 So, anyway, what I'm trying to say is...

00:16:22.140 Ignore it.

00:16:22.700 I am going to ignore it because this is a distraction because the bartender doesn't have the problem to put you in a cage. 1.00

00:16:26.960 Only cops have the discretion, as he pointed out, that at any time they can throw you in the back of their cop car, throw you in a cell, say disorderly conduct.

00:16:36.380 And the thing is, cops come in pairs.

00:16:39.080 They have to, right?

00:16:39.800 They have to have backup and that makes sense.

00:16:41.500 So, I brought my backup here as well.

00:16:42.700 One second.

00:16:43.680 Oh, my God.

00:16:44.240 I'm so excited.

00:16:46.000 I hope you brought me a wig.

00:16:47.660 This is Officer Oink Salon.

00:16:51.240 Yeah, Oink Oink.

00:16:53.220 I wish you would have called him Babe.

00:16:54.780 No, Babe's cute and shouldn't be shot. 0.99

00:16:59.460 Wait, that's a boar, not a pig. 0.99

00:17:01.520 Yeah, because inside every cop is a feral pig that is one comment away from putting your head through a wall. 0.98

00:17:11.820 What's that, Officer Oink Salon? 0.96

00:17:13.200 Google domestic violence rates in police. 0.96

00:17:15.520 Well, you shouldn't trust what this pig has to say, but I would hope everyone at home Googles that. 0.93

00:17:21.020 And here's something else about the police. 0.95

00:17:22.860 In the same way that obnoxious people who talk too much are drawn to podcasting, as the three of us can attest.

00:17:29.820 Everyone up here.

00:17:30.700 Everyone up here.

00:17:31.740 And in the same way that people who want to prey on children go to where the children are, violent people are going to be drawn to jobs where they're able to use violence without impunity.

00:17:41.880 It's a small percentage, let me be clear.

00:17:44.300 But cops are human beings.

00:17:46.100 And human beings act in certain ways.

00:17:48.260 So if I'm someone who's a sociopath, I'm going to be a politician. 0.99

00:17:51.420 If I'm a loudmouth asshole, I'm going to be a podcaster. 0.99

00:17:54.060 And if I'm someone who likes to take out his violence and other people legally, I'm going to end up as a cop. 0.99

00:17:58.680 Well, actually, I have a question.

00:17:59.640 I take that personally, Michael.

00:18:00.100 Wait, no, I want to ask this question, though.

00:18:01.220 Michael, would you think it would be better if we used AI robots as cops?

00:18:05.720 Better in what way?

00:18:06.520 Like, do you think that that would help protect citizens more if these were AI robots doing this?

00:18:11.320 I depend on who would program the AI.

00:18:13.320 Did you see Elysium?

00:18:14.580 They were very mean in that.

00:18:15.640 That's what I'm saying. 0.99

00:18:16.300 That movie, the AI cops are dickheads. 0.97

00:18:18.240 You're not even allowed to do sarcastic robot voice. 0.96

00:18:20.500 They didn't even use discretion.

00:18:21.940 I can't speak to that.

00:18:22.680 See?

00:18:23.200 So, I don't know.

00:18:24.420 They broke that dude's arm for no reason.

00:18:26.200 That never happens in real life.

00:18:27.540 Michael, I have a question.

00:18:29.160 I don't answer questions from police.

00:18:30.700 I love that you said that.

00:18:32.060 That's good.

00:18:33.980 Don't ever do it.

00:18:35.960 I'm not.

00:18:36.480 Here's why.

00:18:37.620 There's two people in America who think words are violence.

00:18:41.320 Social justice warriors and cops.

00:18:43.620 If I call Alex the N-word, which I do all the time, and I will again.

00:18:48.340 I didn't hear it, but I wish I did.

00:18:49.920 I see our text messages.

00:18:50.940 They're bad.

00:18:51.960 There's plenty of leftists who will tell you that it's appropriate for him to beat me into a coma. 0.99

00:18:57.080 Because, hey, you shouldn't be calling black people the N-word. 0.68

00:18:59.980 Cops are the only other group where if you say the wrong thing, they feel entitled to knock you into a coma and pat themselves on the back for it. 0.80

00:19:07.900 Anyway, so you said that because the job requires violence, so there's like a level of violence that has to be.

00:19:18.320 I didn't say that.

00:19:19.260 What did you say?

00:19:19.980 Is it something that cops drive people because it is a job of violence?

00:19:22.160 You should listen to what I'm saying before you try to quote me.

00:19:24.000 That's why I asked you.

00:19:25.000 I'm not answering questions from the police.

00:19:26.960 Well, you're not very good at debating.

00:19:28.340 I'm not debating you.

00:19:29.260 This is a debate, isn't it?

00:19:31.820 What about a conversation?

00:19:32.860 Can we be friends?

00:19:35.180 Why can't we be friends?

00:19:38.260 Why can't we be friends?

00:19:41.120 Why can't we be friends?

00:19:44.160 Why can't we be friends?

00:19:44.980 He's trying to love Bob Michael.

00:19:46.880 To trick him into being friends.

00:19:47.980 Here's how cops operate. 0.91

00:19:49.620 He's using another technique.

00:19:51.540 They're singing and being nice.

00:19:53.500 They come to interview you. 0.94

00:19:55.580 He's, hey, my partner's crazy. 1.00

00:19:57.640 My partner's a madman. 1.00

00:19:58.980 I'm the nice one. 0.97

00:19:59.700 I'm just trying to help you. 0.90

00:20:00.600 Alex is crazy.

00:20:01.480 Just answer a few questions. 0.98

00:20:03.020 I'll be on my way.

00:20:04.000 It'll be cool.

00:20:05.420 You answer the few questions.

00:20:07.040 If I go to Tim, I go, hey, Tim, I got to put up a painting in my house.

00:20:10.760 Can I borrow a power tool?

00:20:11.860 Sure.

00:20:12.440 And then I go, oh, by the way, Tim, this power tool, I can and will use this against you.

00:20:16.220 All of a sudden, hey, hey, hey.

00:20:19.560 They tell you explicitly anything you say can and will be used against you.

00:20:25.520 And here's something else.

00:20:26.300 If you tell a cop something that would help your side of the story in a lawsuit in a criminal case, that's hearsay.

00:20:33.980 Oh, he said – but if he doesn't remember something you said or gets it a little wrong like he did repeatedly today, all of a sudden it's his word against yours.

00:20:43.120 And now your story doesn't add up, and now you're a liar, and now very quickly bad things are going to happen to you as a consequence. 0.52

00:20:49.000 Well, actually –

00:20:49.320 Don't ever talk to the police without an attorney.

00:20:51.280 Michael has a good point.

00:20:52.780 And I want you to answer this though, Rich, because you know you deal with these interrogations and people you –

00:20:57.000 Interviews.

00:20:57.700 Interviews.

00:20:58.340 Interviews, whatever.

00:20:59.280 Soft words.

00:21:00.340 Kind hands. 0.99

00:21:00.600 And you give them their Miranda rights, and you know that most people you deal with are retarded, and they don't even understand their Miranda rights. 1.00

00:21:06.700 My mom are just like you, yes. 1.00

00:21:07.780 I admit that I am retarded. 0.86

00:21:09.900 My point is you're dealing with people that don't realize that they are incriminating themselves.

00:21:15.580 Michael does have a point in that they actually are afforded a free attorney.

00:21:19.420 And oftentimes I watch the first 48, and you see the dude in there that double murdered somebody.

00:21:24.280 A couple times you're like, hey, where's my attorney?

00:21:25.820 Where's my attorney?

00:21:26.720 And then the guy will end up still talking because they give him like a Pepsi Coke, you know?

00:21:30.240 Delicious.

00:21:31.120 What I'm saying is –

00:21:31.980 You know what brought the world together?

00:21:33.120 Caitlyn Jenner did it.

00:21:34.300 She did.

00:21:34.820 Notice how he's changing the subject.

00:21:36.380 That ended racism. 0.99

00:21:38.240 But what I'm talking about, you know that they don't even understand that they would get a free attorney that would tell them to shut the fuck up. 0.97

00:21:43.720 And you still ask them questions. 0.91

00:21:45.420 So do you ever feel a little guilty because you are taking advantage of somebody that doesn't realize the situation? 0.99

00:21:50.040 Just because you're dumb doesn't mean that you don't understand the words that I literally read for you. 0.99

00:21:54.140 That's what dumb means, not understanding things. 1.00

00:21:56.000 But real quick, though. 0.97

00:21:56.680 You understand that it is a challenging thing.

00:21:59.400 You give them the Miranda rights one time.

00:22:02.120 Sure.

00:22:02.380 They might not understand the concept that they get a free attorney.

00:22:05.140 Well, that's why I ask them, do you understand these rights that I've just read to you?

00:22:08.240 And they have to respond.

00:22:08.860 I understand that you asked that question.

00:22:09.720 And then follow-up question, I have to ask, knowing these rights in mind – having these rights in mind, would you like to talk to me now?

00:22:16.700 I have the card.

00:22:17.680 I know that.

00:22:18.660 Hold on, just in case we all forgot.

00:22:22.300 But you know that you are asking questions to a person.

00:22:25.120 It doesn't even matter if you sat there for 10 minutes and lectured them on what legal rights they had.

00:22:29.620 They still would not understand what it is because some people have a 70 IQ.

00:22:33.920 Do you ever feel guilty for them basically not taking advantage of their legal rights like a free attorney?

00:22:39.880 So the amount of people that I've questioned that I've read their Miranda rights to, which start off with, you have the right to remain silent.

00:22:48.480 If you don't understand that or if you – but there's a difference here.

00:22:53.520 Everybody is talking about like, are you smart enough to understand it?

00:22:56.160 If I say you have the right to remain silent and then I continue to question you and you say, okay, I would like to be questioned, there's no much more I can do.

00:23:07.620 I'm not a psychologist. 0.99

00:23:08.720 If lawyers want to then take up that aspect of saying, hey, Alex is so dumb. 1.00

00:23:14.600 How dumb is Alex? 1.00

00:23:17.520 Alex doesn't know when to shut up. 1.00

00:23:19.400 And then they can argue that, but unless you're of noticeable mental decline, I'm going to read you your Miranda rights.

00:23:29.200 I'm going to ask you at the end of them, do you understand each of these rights I have explained to you, having these rights in mind?

00:23:34.880 Do you wish to talk to us now?

00:23:36.380 And you say yes, then I'm going to talk to you.

00:23:38.980 I got one thing.

00:23:44.340 Notice he's not even pretending that he's going to help the person.

00:23:47.060 I'm not a psychologist.

00:23:48.140 We've all talked to people.

00:23:49.920 Who am I helping?

00:23:50.760 We've all talked to people.

00:23:51.980 No one.

00:23:52.580 That's the point.

00:23:53.240 The victim?

00:23:53.560 We've all talked to people.

00:23:54.900 Maybe the victim.

00:23:55.400 Someone who's innocent until proven guilty.

00:23:57.340 He's someone who's questioning.

00:23:58.420 We've all talked to people.

00:23:59.540 You explain something to them. 0.98

00:24:00.400 You realize, okay, this person has no idea what the fuck I'm just talking about. 0.95

00:24:02.920 And that's happened to him repeatedly. 0.95

00:24:04.040 But he knows as long as he's got the assent, just like when you check up the terms of service on some website or thing, his hands are clean and he can go and pursue the arrest and conviction.

00:24:13.940 So you finish that, Miranda writes, with do you want to talk to me, yes or no?

00:24:20.520 Correct.

00:24:20.900 Whether the person answers yes or no indicates some understanding.

00:24:26.560 And it sounds like what you're asking, Alex, do you ever feel guilty because maybe they actually don't?

00:24:31.620 What if the person wants to talk to the cops and they accidentally say no because they don't understand it?

00:24:35.980 They can misunderstand it.

00:24:37.180 It never works that way, Tim.

00:24:38.340 It never happens where they accidentally ask for an attorney and get one.

00:24:41.340 No, I'm saying the cops are like, do you want to talk to us?

00:24:43.980 The guy might be thinking – I understand what you're saying.

00:24:46.900 My point is logically it can go either direction.

00:24:49.280 But logically it goes in one direction. 1.00

00:24:51.560 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:24:52.340 Get away from it with your metal teeth, guy. 1.00

00:24:54.260 I don't know.

00:24:54.680 I do have –

00:24:55.380 But before we go to the audience, I do want to ask Michael.

00:24:58.280 I was going to respond.

00:24:59.100 If there were no police –

00:25:00.380 Let's respond.

00:25:00.520 Let's respond.

00:25:00.820 That's a good question.

00:25:01.540 Okay.

00:25:01.760 So if you feel like police officers taking advantage of people that don't understand their rights or don't understand the conversation that they've been in, I would ask you to bring me with some sort of story.

00:25:16.740 Just bring something up where you were having a conversation with somebody who felt as though they could not talk to you or didn't understand the conversation, and then you continue to have a conversation with them.

00:25:27.560 I'm saying the inverse.

00:25:28.880 My argument is more for what Alex is saying.

00:25:30.700 Alex is saying there are some people who don't understand, and they'll talk to you anyway.

00:25:35.620 My argument is the statement of do you want to talk to me can go yes or no.

00:25:39.200 Correct.

00:25:39.580 Misunderstand in either direction.

00:25:41.200 Meaning I understand the point. 1.00

00:25:42.560 It's probably rare, and maybe it's a stupid point. 1.00

00:25:44.200 I don't know. 0.99

00:25:44.620 But there may be some people who want to explain to the police something that happened.

00:25:48.900 It may slightly be incriminating, but they're worried about having their kneecaps bashed in by gangs, and they're like, I don't understand what this means, so I'm not going to say anything.

00:25:54.960 If you want a what-if every legal thing, I'm with you, but I would need something for me to bounce off of.

00:26:01.160 Yeah, I don't follow the question either.

00:26:02.100 What's that?

00:26:02.620 I didn't follow the question either.

00:26:03.780 Okay.

00:26:05.080 My – my –

00:26:05.820 Friends!

00:26:08.100 Now we're finally friends.

00:26:09.740 Don't touch me.

00:26:10.320 That's assault.

00:26:10.900 Not consensual, so I'm not doing anything.

00:26:12.920 Let me just ask you, Michael.

00:26:14.280 Before we're going to this.

00:26:15.020 I'm not even kidding at all.

00:26:16.040 Before we're –

00:26:16.640 No, no, I'm going to say this point.

00:26:19.120 Notice how comfortable a cop is getting in your face, and my point earlier is – 0.89

00:26:22.880 It was to your backside, sir. 0.68

00:26:24.740 I'm not – I'm not – I'm not – you can – laugh.

00:26:27.460 You should laugh right now because that's obviously humorous.

00:26:30.240 Now imagine what happens when there's no cameras and there's no witnesses and he's in a bad mood.

00:26:35.260 All of a sudden, he's going to be very happy to remind you of your place in life and who you should be talking to with a polite mouthful voice.

00:26:42.060 So before we go to the audience, I do want to ask, what would we have if there were no police?

00:26:47.520 Well, we need security.

00:26:48.940 So this idea – 0.99

00:26:50.540 Like security, like the people that try to get me to stop skating some ledge at the front of a building and they're fucking dickheads? 1.00

00:26:56.240 Yeah, they suck. 1.00

00:26:57.240 Yeah, specifically those people. 1.00

00:26:59.640 Only them.

00:27:00.380 We want to clone them.

00:27:01.420 Great contribution.

00:27:03.720 Security is an extremely important thing.

00:27:06.340 These movements that you see in these big cities to defund the police are, to me, insane because they're defunding them to a point, but they're keeping them in place to make sure people can't protect themselves.

00:27:19.800 So you have the police taking out Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:27:23.140 You have them taking out Daniel Penny.

00:27:25.320 But everybody else is rendered helpless and defenseless.

00:27:27.720 So security is far too important of a job to be left to a monopoly, let alone a government monopoly.

00:27:34.080 We need police accountability and we need private security to increase.

00:27:38.320 But as it is now, there is no accountability.

00:27:41.400 And the people who are – if you're in New York – one of the reasons I moved to Austin, thank God I did, is because I – thank you.

00:27:47.640 I knew if someone broke into my house and I have pretty cool shit and I tried to defend myself, especially with a firearm, it's far more likely that the law would fall upon me than upon the guy breaking into my house.

00:27:59.160 We see this over and over. 0.74

00:28:00.420 And those laws are enforced and only enforced by the police. 1.00

00:28:05.280 So – oh, oh, fuck, no. 1.00

00:28:08.180 Come on. 1.00

00:28:09.120 No.

00:28:10.320 Those laws are enforced by the district attorney's office and the politicians that you elect. 0.89

00:28:15.860 It's not my fault that you decided to live in a shitty city with bad rules that I choose to ignore because I believe in the Second Amendment. 0.78

00:28:23.440 You chose to live in a state that says here are the guidelines and then you go, it's the cops' fault that they put handcuffs on me.

00:28:30.560 Not at all for the fact that there's a judge, a jury, a district attorney, a state senator, and a governor that are all against you, not the cops.

00:28:38.340 Just because we collect you doesn't mean we're responsible for the end result.

00:28:41.760 So if I hire Tim to kill Alex, which one of us has committed a crime?

00:28:45.860 Both of you.

00:28:46.640 Right.

00:28:46.940 Thank you.

00:28:47.940 So just because an evil person tells you to do something and you follow their orders, you're both committing wrongdoing.

00:28:54.000 And I want to ask the people in this audience, how much money – how many people here lost a loved one during COVID?

00:29:00.760 Anyone?

00:29:01.260 No.

00:29:01.380 Me.

00:29:01.600 Okay.

00:29:02.040 How many people couldn't visit their old folks during COVID?

00:29:06.860 How many people couldn't go to church during COVID?

00:29:08.860 Right.

00:29:10.020 There we go.

00:29:10.820 How much money would Joe Biden have to pay you to arrest someone for trying to go to church? 1.00

00:29:16.560 Fuck Joe Biden. 1.00

00:29:20.100 Agreed. 1.00

00:29:20.660 Yeah.

00:29:22.340 Hell yeah.

00:29:23.100 How much money – no, no, no.

00:29:27.600 How much money would Officer Kamala Harris have to pay you to arrest someone for having a funeral? 1.00

00:29:32.720 Fuck Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:29:33.820 All right. 1.00

00:29:33.960 Thank you.

00:29:36.580 Wait.

00:29:37.020 No, no, no.

00:29:37.520 I'm going to finish my point.

00:29:39.420 We've all said earlier that cops are human beings, but in one capacity they're not.

00:29:43.400 Because what separates humans from non-human animals is our conscience.

00:29:47.040 And when you become a cop, you give yours away.

00:29:49.400 You say, I am going to do what the sociopaths tell me.

00:29:53.040 And if they tell me to shut down that lemonade stand and make that little girl cry, I'm not going to lose an ounce of sleep over it. 1.00

00:29:58.600 One quick question for Rich before we go to the audience.

00:30:01.340 The police officers who unconstitutionally shut down churches in New York, should they be arrested for that?

00:30:06.540 They should be charged.

00:30:07.640 All right.

00:30:07.980 You're here.

00:30:09.940 Constitutional violence.

00:30:11.040 Conspiracy against rights.

00:30:11.900 Hey, let's get into the show, Tim.

00:30:13.580 Are you ready for this?

00:30:14.200 Let's go.

00:30:14.760 Are you guys ready for this?

00:30:15.780 Are you guys ready for this?

00:30:17.400 Let's get the energy going.

00:30:19.660 Okay, so what we're going to do is we're going to call out a name. 0.99

00:30:21.920 You guys walk your ass and hurry your ass because we're going to have a hard out at 5 p.m. 1.00

00:30:26.040 And remember to tip your damn waitress. 1.00

00:30:28.140 DC is expensive. 1.00

00:30:28.860 Or waiter.

00:30:29.600 Or waiter, whatever. 0.89

00:30:30.720 And that's cool if you're gay or trans. 0.90

00:30:32.360 We tip them extra.

00:30:33.940 Tip them extra just to be extra nice.

00:30:36.040 Give them a tip.

00:30:36.620 They lost theirs. 1.00

00:30:37.120 But get your ass over here in this corner. 1.00

00:30:38.980 We're going to give you a minute. 0.99

00:30:40.340 Oh.

00:30:41.900 And real quick, I believe there may be another autographed mustard floating around somewhere.

00:30:47.060 There is indeed, Tim.

00:30:48.340 If you get it, you get, what are we doing, a free board?

00:30:50.800 Yeah, you get a free skateboard.

00:30:51.980 Check your table if your mustard bottle is signed.

00:30:54.940 Check your mustard right now.

00:30:56.200 Let's get this out of the way.

00:30:57.500 Pick up your mustard.

00:30:58.640 But just come to us after the show with your mustard.

00:31:00.740 Let's get some people.

00:31:01.300 All right, let's get this going.

00:31:02.540 Now our first person, Walt K.

00:31:05.860 Come on down. 0.94

00:31:06.740 Where's Walt K?

00:31:08.620 Where does Walt go?

00:31:09.500 I don't know.

00:31:10.020 Walter K.

00:31:11.020 Where does he go, though?

00:31:12.100 He goes to the right.

00:31:13.240 To that side of stage.

00:31:15.140 I don't see him.

00:31:16.080 I see you're moving slow, Walt.

00:31:17.520 Let's go.

00:31:18.280 Find the white man.

00:31:18.800 Come over here.

00:31:19.520 Over here. 1.00

00:31:20.160 Get the lead out of your ass. 1.00

00:31:21.600 And let's move. 1.00

00:31:21.920 This way.

00:31:22.240 This way.

00:31:22.520 Right over here.

00:31:23.000 See me?

00:31:23.220 Hurry up.

00:31:24.320 Big, big, flashy white kid in the white stuff.

00:31:26.460 Hey, let's...

00:31:26.800 To the right of stage!

00:31:27.940 Stop putting your hand up like that.

00:31:28.920 Open door hole.

00:31:30.020 Hurry.

00:31:30.600 Don't be shy.

00:31:31.140 All right, bro.

00:31:31.480 You got one minute.

00:31:32.700 All right.

00:31:33.040 One minute for what?

00:31:33.920 What do you guys want?

00:31:37.400 First of all, I'm going to go with...

00:31:38.800 All right, hold on.

00:31:39.540 Hold on.

00:31:39.800 Hold on.

00:31:40.060 Hold on.

00:31:40.320 Hold on.

00:31:40.540 Hold on.

00:31:40.760 Hold on.

00:31:41.160 All right.

00:31:41.760 So, I had an interaction with the cops today.

00:31:45.060 My fault.

00:31:46.280 No, it's not your fault.

00:31:47.640 But I just got to look at this generation of cops. 1.00

00:31:52.620 They are young as fuck. 1.00

00:31:54.180 Yep. 1.00

00:31:54.440 And I guess it's because I'm getting older, right?

00:31:56.840 Yeah.

00:31:57.140 And so, I just...

00:32:00.700 The EMTs that even showed up, they looked like they were 15, 16. 1.00

00:32:04.060 I'm like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:32:06.020 But I guess my point is, they didn't look like big, burly men. 1.00

00:32:10.680 They're not like you.

00:32:11.800 They're not like Tim.

00:32:12.920 They're not like Alex Stein, who looks...

00:32:15.160 Are you on an Ozempic?

00:32:16.460 No, man.

00:32:17.900 It's just fentanyl.

00:32:19.520 It's got cancer.

00:32:21.580 How dare you? 1.00

00:32:22.540 Like, you were skinny as shit, dude. 1.00

00:32:24.040 What happened? 1.00

00:32:24.640 Yeah.

00:32:25.680 But, I don't know what's...

00:32:28.080 Look, I didn't expect her to be up here, so I'm a little nervous.

00:32:32.060 All right, camera's in my face.

00:32:32.920 You're scared.

00:32:33.640 Do you like cops?

00:32:34.120 No, I'm not scared.

00:32:34.760 Can you smile so we can see you?

00:32:36.060 Yeah, we can.

00:32:36.480 Actually, come on.

00:32:39.020 Okay, that's been your one minute.

00:32:41.040 I don't know.

00:32:41.440 Should this guy...

00:32:41.760 But anyway, my point...

00:32:43.200 I guess my question is, is...

00:32:45.440 What's your question?

00:32:45.780 How do you see the future of policing if we're just allowing...

00:32:54.500 Bitches on the job. 1.00

00:32:55.700 Pretty much. 1.00

00:32:56.400 Got you.

00:32:56.940 All right.

00:32:57.560 Yeah!

00:32:58.160 Well, Michael doesn't want big, strong men that could commit violence, so I'm going to...

00:33:03.440 Notice he put words in my mouth.

00:33:05.180 Five foot four, thick Latinas, because we know they can scrap. 1.00

00:33:08.160 Amen! 0.71

00:33:09.980 Somebody doesn't want to deport them, and I'm behind that movement.

00:33:13.020 Thank you.

00:33:13.500 But the thing is, in reality, you have to... 0.71

00:33:18.020 And this is going to sound super cliche and shitty.

00:33:20.060 You have to bridge the gap between community and police, right? 0.93

00:33:23.660 If you don't, then nobody's going to respect you.

00:33:25.540 And if you don't bridge that gap, if nobody respects you, then every time you show up,

00:33:29.580 they're going to disrespect you, get in a fight with you, push the boundaries until

00:33:33.680 they're resisting or obstructing, and then you have to affect and arrest.

00:33:36.540 And so there is an image, like my fantastic partner has to show, that police officers should

00:33:42.900 have, because they are, part of this larger authority of the community.

00:33:49.020 Does that make sense?

00:33:49.800 So notice how easily he lied about my views and put words in my mouth.

00:33:55.460 He said, I don't want cops to be big, burly guys.

00:33:58.160 I said that the police...

00:33:59.980 That's not what I said.

00:34:01.600 I said the police, as a career, attracts violent people, and it's a small percentage.

00:34:06.580 I said those words are words to that effect.

00:34:08.660 At no point did I say it's preferable for the police to be small people.

00:34:12.820 And again, I don't care what you think about me.

00:34:14.560 I don't care what you think about any of us on this panel.

00:34:16.300 What I care about is when you talk to the police, they will easily twist your words without

00:34:21.480 any guilt whatsoever or any kind of consequences or apology, and you're the one who will be

00:34:27.200 ending up paying the price.

00:34:29.620 Man, I disagree.

00:34:30.900 That's nice.

00:34:32.200 Oh, that's nice.

00:34:33.080 Jason, what do you got for us?

00:34:34.680 What do you think? 1.00

00:34:35.120 I look like an asshole. 1.00

00:34:36.140 I look like a criminal, usually when I talk to them, and I'm calm, and I'm not doing anything 1.00

00:34:42.520 illegal, and I go, hey, man, I get it.

00:34:44.580 I look like this, but I'm not doing anything bad.

00:34:47.340 They're very nice to me.

00:34:48.400 I'm sure.

00:34:48.900 I'm not doubting you. 1.00

00:34:49.440 Have I bumped into an asshole cop? 0.99

00:34:51.920 Yeah, but that's like, you're trying to say that cops wanted that job so they can be 1.00

00:34:55.200 pricks.

00:34:55.880 There's pricks all over the place that aren't police.

00:34:57.940 That's true. 1.00

00:34:58.380 There's a bunch of people that have bad days, and they act like assholes. 1.00

00:35:01.400 Absolutely. 0.99

00:35:01.720 There's also cops.

00:35:02.580 I've been smoking weed in Australia where it was completely illegal, and they were like, eh, you're

00:35:06.120 harmless, off you go. 0.99

00:35:07.380 They could have fucked my whole life right there. 1.00

00:35:09.240 They didn't. 1.00

00:35:09.480 Harmless? 1.00

00:35:10.000 Jesus, that was a dumb cop. 1.00

00:35:11.700 Okay. 1.00

00:35:12.960 Man, okay, I changed my mind.

00:35:14.160 You're right. 1.00

00:35:16.800 Fucking jerk off. 1.00

00:35:18.160 First of all, you're one data point, and you're absolutely correct. 1.00

00:35:21.920 How dare you be that data point, and not a person.

00:35:24.180 Good call, cop. 1.00

00:35:27.860 Point being, every field, you're absolutely correct, have people who are assholes, beauty 0.99

00:35:33.260 queens, politicians, teachers, barbers, hairstyles, you know, anything, anyone can count out. 1.00

00:35:37.500 It is only the police, when someone is an asshole, that they have the legal right and 0.99

00:35:42.240 discretion to, if you're giving them an attitude, throw you in the back of their cop car and 1.00

00:35:46.240 fuck your shit up for a very long time. 1.00

00:35:48.260 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

00:35:49.120 Well, let's clarify that.

00:35:50.120 They actually don't, but the argument is they have connections and-

00:35:54.520 What do you mean?

00:35:54.880 They can get you for resisting?

00:35:56.240 They can get you for disorderly conduct?

00:35:57.940 Right, right.

00:35:58.380 My point is, to the letter of the law, they can't legally do that?

00:36:01.260 You're saying they have to lie and break the law to get away with it?

00:36:03.620 A lot of those things are in the opinion of the officer.

00:36:07.660 And he will testify-

00:36:08.260 Let me try this.

00:36:09.480 Can you, for any reason, because you're angry, make up charges against somebody?

00:36:12.220 No, no, you got to make up a charge, yeah.

00:36:13.380 Can you make up charges against somebody?

00:36:14.480 No.

00:36:15.020 That never happens.

00:36:16.000 But cops do lie.

00:36:17.060 Okay.

00:36:17.800 Cops lie.

00:36:18.360 And that's illegal to falsely charge them.

00:36:19.620 And it is illegal to lie, and there are repercussions for those people that do it.

00:36:23.140 But the argument, Michael, is that you're saying they get away with it, which I don't disagree

00:36:26.240 with.

00:36:26.520 Yes.

00:36:27.180 Here's something else.

00:36:28.340 They have a legal right to do it.

00:36:28.920 Assume everything I'm saying is not true.

00:36:31.060 What I would encourage people to do, as I've done, is watch a lot of police body cam footage.

00:36:34.980 Yes.

00:36:35.260 I agree with that.

00:36:36.480 And I'm not finished.

00:36:38.180 It's going to make you appreciate what the cops have to do a lot more.

00:36:41.780 Because if you're calling the cops, you're not calling the cops because things are nice.

00:36:46.120 It's not like, oh, hey, officer, we're having a birthday party.

00:36:48.280 Would you like a piece of cake, please?

00:36:49.760 Right?

00:36:50.860 Here's the thing. 0.98

00:36:51.800 If your day, sorry, eight hours a day, five days a week, is dealing with shitty people doing 0.98

00:36:57.920 shitty stuff. 0.87

00:36:59.120 It does a number on you.

00:37:00.660 Because what?

00:37:01.260 Cops are what?

00:37:01.900 Human.

00:37:02.480 Human beings.

00:37:03.780 I had a friend, Jim Moore.

00:37:05.360 He was a sheriff in rural Illinois.

00:37:07.640 Great guy.

00:37:08.660 And part of his gig before he was a sheriff was investigating child abuse.

00:37:12.740 Oh, me too.

00:37:13.340 I never asked him for details because I didn't want to know.

00:37:17.480 I don't think anyone in this room wants to know.

00:37:18.760 The kinds of things people do to their own kids, let alone foster kids, is unimaginable.

00:37:23.820 And after a while, he quit.

00:37:25.100 And do you know why he quit?

00:37:26.120 Because it got to him.

00:37:27.400 How could it not get to you?

00:37:28.720 You do that kind of stuff inside and out.

00:37:30.860 You're going to look at people in a whole different way.

00:37:33.020 And that's what happens.

00:37:33.800 It's not even their fault.

00:37:35.180 You show up like this young guy on the force and you're trying to help your community.

00:37:40.300 After a while, people yell at you.

00:37:42.580 You see these police body cams where someone's literally a shooter.

00:37:46.840 The cops try to take him down and he's swarmed in the ghetto.

00:37:50.020 And they feel very unsafe.

00:37:51.260 And you don't blame them for being very unsafe.

00:37:52.820 My point is, after a while, this hardens you.

00:37:55.840 Right?

00:37:56.400 And if you have that interaction with that hardened cop who's having a bad day, you're

00:38:00.220 the one who's going to be paying the price for it.

00:38:01.860 And it's not even his fault.

00:38:03.380 Let me ask you this, Rich.

00:38:04.300 I think it might have been Donut Operator who told the story, I could be wrong, where

00:38:08.060 they had just gotten a call about a child that was killed in a car accident, a baby.

00:38:13.480 That was Cody, yeah.

00:38:14.280 Yeah, and then after that, he has to go deal with some angry woman who's bitching at him. 1.00

00:38:18.660 A Karen.

00:38:19.100 And they don't understand what he just witnessed and experienced.

00:38:22.200 Right.

00:38:22.380 And it's like torturous.

00:38:24.860 It's difficult.

00:38:25.780 Yeah, I'm not going to lie.

00:38:27.160 The job comes with risks that are involved.

00:38:31.040 It doesn't mean that you deserve those risks, but it means that there's risks that are involved.

00:38:35.560 I currently get mental health from a psychiatrist because I need it.

00:38:39.440 Because I'm an SVU detective, so I deal with crimes against children, domestic abuse.

00:38:44.820 Sexual assault, et cetera.

00:38:45.680 No human can handle it on their own.

00:38:46.960 Correct.

00:38:47.720 It's not possible.

00:38:48.440 They need help.

00:38:49.920 And, yeah, it is difficult.

00:38:53.380 But at the same time, I haven't had the spillover that other police officers have, so it's hard

00:38:59.980 for me to connect with that.

00:39:01.000 Would you know it if you had?

00:39:02.140 What's that?

00:39:02.640 Would you know it if you had?

00:39:03.720 Yes.

00:39:04.420 Because, you know what, you're right.

00:39:05.520 I did have spillover.

00:39:06.300 I did have spillover.

00:39:07.560 And I had good officers that were next to me that pulled me aside and said, you need to

00:39:11.540 sit down.

00:39:12.080 You need to cool off.

00:39:12.940 And there are laws right now in New York State, I forget what law it's called, where

00:39:17.880 it is an officer's duty to intervene if another officer is doing excessive force in their

00:39:23.500 eyes.

00:39:24.260 Yeah, but there's also a duty in the military if people have to do that.

00:39:27.800 Then you have the MyLai Massacre.

00:39:28.980 Yeah, okay.

00:39:29.300 Just because something's on paper, and I'm sure that happens sometimes.

00:39:32.180 I'm sure there's a lot of times because you trust your partner.

00:39:34.200 People trust their partners. 1.00

00:39:35.660 You see your partner being out of it, and you're like, oh, shit. 0.99

00:39:38.060 Thanks for checking me. 0.98

00:39:39.140 And that person will be grateful.

00:39:40.940 But there's plenty of other times when you and your partner, it's YouTube against the

00:39:43.620 world.

00:39:44.240 And someone who's from a certain socioeconomic class is giving you lip.

00:39:47.320 And you're not having it that day.

00:39:48.940 And I don't know that I would do differently in that position.

00:39:51.040 I'm not pretending otherwise.

00:39:52.800 Let's get some more people up here.

00:39:53.900 All right, let's get some more people.

00:39:55.000 Now, this name, what is this?

00:39:56.940 Alex Alabama?

00:39:58.560 What is this?

00:39:59.220 Alex A-L-A.

00:40:00.460 Alex Aliburn?

00:40:01.760 Aliburn.

00:40:03.060 Alex, hurry up.

00:40:04.260 Let's go.

00:40:05.700 Oh, I like this guy.

00:40:08.100 Let's go, Alex.

00:40:10.180 I know it is tight quarters, but come on down.

00:40:13.980 Things are going to get spicy.

00:40:15.040 You're going to have one minute.

00:40:16.240 Either ask us a question if you want to debate something.

00:40:19.760 As soon as you start talking, we're going to start the timer.

00:40:23.740 All right, what do you got for us, Alex?

00:40:24.960 I just got sort of a long question for Michael.

00:40:27.500 Oh, God.

00:40:28.340 These are always so much fun.

00:40:30.000 Can you have a five-minute speech first, too?

00:40:32.500 No.

00:40:33.800 If you're against police, do you think individuals should be trained in public?

00:40:38.460 Sorry.

00:40:39.320 If you're against police, do you think individuals should be trained in public schools to de-escalate,

00:40:44.860 shoot, fight hand-to-hand combat, handle crime scenes, evidence, large-scale criminal organizations?

00:40:50.300 I think there's a lot of young men in this audience and elsewhere who would be great assets to their community.

00:40:58.620 And if they are more encouraged to be de-escalating, like if you've seen a bar, right, there's two guys getting to fight.

00:41:05.560 Very quickly, most of the time, people jump in, strangers, and separate them.

00:41:09.000 In this country, I can't speak for other countries, there is a huge motive and part of our culture that we help each other out.

00:41:17.080 We try to de-escalate violence and we try to prevent violence.

00:41:20.580 What happens when you have a situation?

00:41:21.680 What are you talking about?

00:41:22.580 Have you seen the videos from Cincinnati?

00:41:24.260 People just pull their phones out and film it. 1.00

00:41:26.780 They don't help shit. 1.00

00:41:27.620 In certain cultures, yes. 1.00

00:41:30.180 Hashtag, I don't want to be sued.

00:41:32.060 There's lots of other...

00:41:33.420 In DC...

00:41:35.080 I'm not speaking...

00:41:35.660 Okay, DC's fair.

00:41:36.580 DC's very different.

00:41:40.040 Sorry, Texas has spoiled me.

00:41:42.280 In certain parts of this country...

00:41:43.900 Thank you for the correction.

00:41:45.640 In certain parts of the country, it is very much the case that people are neighborly.

00:41:50.280 If there's a problem in the neighborhood, people try to get together and solve it.

00:41:53.320 That is very much discouraged.

00:41:55.660 And just like charity is very much discouraged because you have the government to rely on that puts less and less responsibility for individuals to fix this.

00:42:03.800 And a great example of this is, again, Daniel Penny or Perry.

00:42:08.280 I forget his name.

00:42:08.820 I'm sorry, New York.

00:42:09.140 Oh, actually.

00:42:09.960 Right.

00:42:10.320 But he has both.

00:42:11.060 There's two.

00:42:12.240 One...

00:42:12.800 Penny was in New York and Perry was in Austin.

00:42:15.160 Perry was the guy who...

00:42:15.860 Oh, no.

00:42:16.160 In New York.

00:42:16.520 In New York.

00:42:16.820 Daniel Penny.

00:42:17.520 Right, right.

00:42:17.840 But Perry was the guy where the guy at the protest showed up with a rifle at low ready.

00:42:21.320 I just like how you...

00:42:21.960 And when he shot to defend himself, they arrested and charged him.

00:42:23.620 So I would love it if not only were more people incentivized and have that sense of, no one's coming to help me.

00:42:31.880 Because when crime is seconds away, the cops are minutes away.

00:42:35.420 And one of the great things about living in Austin is knowing that I sleep with a piece under my bed and one in my office.

00:42:40.960 And if someone comes into my house, I'm not going to have to live in fear.

00:42:43.840 Except Daniel Perry was in his car driving when a mob approached his vehicle.

00:42:49.120 One guy had an AK low ready raised up.

00:42:52.460 And when he saw the gun rising, being raised, he shot him and he got charged.

00:42:57.720 Okay.

00:42:57.920 And then he got convicted and then had to get a pardon from the governor.

00:43:00.960 I'm glad he got pardoned.

00:43:02.580 Indeed.

00:43:02.940 But that's still Texas.

00:43:04.520 Sure, sure.

00:43:05.540 Austin is a little bit of an outlier.

00:43:06.880 But the point is I'm not in favor of that verdict.

00:43:09.820 I'm saying that's the kind of thing that should be encouraged more of.

00:43:12.520 Here's what I want to say.

00:43:13.860 Let's call somebody.

00:43:14.720 Real quick.

00:43:15.860 I want to address this in that.

00:43:17.520 It seems like the real issue is not police at all.

00:43:20.260 It's cultural fragmentation.

00:43:22.120 Well, if you have a...

00:43:23.300 What do you mean by fragmentation?

00:43:23.960 If you have a village of 100 people and they all say, Rich is going to be our cop.

00:43:29.700 We trust him and we like this guy.

00:43:31.400 When he stops somebody, he knows that he's got fear of being shunned or ostracized for

00:43:35.720 acting out of line.

00:43:36.420 Yes.

00:43:36.840 And so the problem we have now is in these very large cities of millions of people, the

00:43:41.380 cops are like, don't know you, don't care, I'm done with you.

00:43:44.200 Well, this is actually something that they tried to fight because for a long time you would

00:43:48.120 have white cops in black neighborhoods and this naturally had some kind of antagonism.

00:43:53.420 Oh, thank you. 0.59

00:43:54.220 Yeah, guy.

00:43:55.440 Lay down the law over there.

00:43:57.080 Law.

00:43:57.600 You get it.

00:43:58.540 All right, let's call the next person.

00:43:59.780 That's my point.

00:44:00.460 But the point is, so there was a movement from police districts to recruit people from those

00:44:05.980 neighborhoods and I think that's a very commendable situation.

00:44:09.140 And it's always better when there is this kind of semblance of people knowing each other

00:44:12.960 because that de-escalates things immediately.

00:44:14.880 If you and I got in a fight as opposed to me or you getting in a fight with a stranger, it's 0.67

00:44:17.720 very different.

00:44:18.420 Yeah.

00:44:19.140 All right, our next person coming up, Taylor Lorenz's ex-wife. 0.90

00:44:23.360 Come on down. 0.94

00:44:26.240 Hurry up, Taylor Lorenz's ex-wife. 1.00

00:44:29.580 I know you got to put on your freaking burqa or your hijab. 1.00

00:44:34.080 Hurry up. 0.99

00:44:34.980 She's got the mask because she's got long COVID.

00:44:36.780 Quit running into walls. 1.00

00:44:37.840 You look like you're going to kick my ass when you get over here. 1.00

00:44:39.740 All right, therapy. 1.00

00:44:41.720 Mortal Kombat.

00:44:43.080 No, it looks like it.

00:44:44.840 Is that an Assassin's Creed getup?

00:44:47.720 I can't see anything with these glasses.

00:44:49.840 I think that's the point.

00:44:50.680 All right, what do you got for us? 1.00

00:44:51.440 Fuck the room. 1.00

00:44:52.000 Hang on, hang on. 1.00

00:44:52.440 Speak into the mic.

00:44:53.440 Let's go.

00:44:54.000 We're getting there.

00:44:54.960 We're unlocking the phone.

00:44:56.500 Yeah.

00:44:57.460 Unlocking the phone.

00:44:58.860 First off, y'all, a bunch of animals.

00:45:00.540 You're putting everyone's life at risk by not wearing a mask.

00:45:02.780 COVID-19 is very serious.

00:45:04.400 Thanks for trolling me.

00:45:05.760 Don't interrupt.

00:45:06.700 Let Taylor Lorenz go.

00:45:07.720 Okay, regarding William McNeil, I've seen both videos. 0.62

00:45:14.780 I believe the headlights not being on is a bullshit charge, so this may have been a DWB,

00:45:19.420 but I believe he also had a suspended license, and they may have known that pulling him over,

00:45:25.320 but that wasn't mentioned in the video, I don't believe.

00:45:29.080 Could that have been a factor in the stop?

00:45:31.080 Which stop and who?

00:45:32.980 The guy who got his window punched out, and then he got punched in the face.

00:45:36.220 Oh, yeah.

00:45:37.200 But he had weed on him, too, though.

00:45:38.820 That guy did have, he got arrested with a weed.

00:45:40.200 But he got punched in the face.

00:45:41.120 Was that okay?

00:45:41.860 No, that one didn't look good.

00:45:43.300 Yeah.

00:45:43.520 Wait, hold on.

00:45:43.920 Let me ask you all seriousness.

00:45:44.840 If a cop punches someone who's clearly not fighting back in the face, should that cop go to jail?

00:45:49.840 Yes.

00:45:50.140 He should get assault just like everybody else.

00:45:51.700 Okay, great.

00:45:52.600 Okay, we're on the same page.

00:45:53.860 Okay.

00:45:54.480 What are the likelihood that he'll get assault charges?

00:45:56.460 What's that?

00:45:56.760 What's the likelihood that he will get charged?

00:45:58.720 I'm going to be honest with you, because you've been honest with me so far.

00:46:01.360 Because it's on camera, pretty good.

00:46:03.320 That's fair.

00:46:03.960 That's fair.

00:46:04.280 Because it's on camera, pretty good. 1.00

00:46:06.080 Fuck yeah, kumbaya, motherfuckers. 1.00

00:46:07.760 Because it's not, if it wasn't on camera, there would be more of a difficulty or a burden of proof. 1.00

00:46:12.700 But also, because of your distrust of police, something that's happened, I think, in the positivity that people thought was going to be a bad thing,

00:46:20.340 is that more and more officers are getting body cams.

00:46:22.600 That's right.

00:46:22.920 And I don't know if you'll agree with me or not, but I feel that since more and more body cams have come out,

00:46:27.760 you've actually seen that police are more correct and honest in their police report taking and arrests than dishonest, like astronomical.

00:46:36.640 So I want to – is she still talking?

00:46:40.060 Okay.

00:46:40.540 I want to agree with you and add something else.

00:46:42.940 Because I think the percent of cops that people regard as corrupt is far lower in reality than people have claimed.

00:46:51.380 I agree.

00:46:51.580 The corrupt ones are not – the ones that are getting bribed are on the take.

00:46:54.160 That's not a significant issue.

00:46:55.940 It's the good cops that are the problem because they are the ones who will smile and nod and follow orders from politicians and do whatever they're told.

00:47:03.820 And I'll give you a very easy example.

00:47:05.120 Cops are what?

00:47:05.640 Okay.

00:47:06.420 Here, man.

00:47:06.880 Okay.

00:47:07.360 Let me finish.

00:47:07.760 Michael, we need to include the audience a little bit.

00:47:10.020 You're just talking the whole time.

00:47:11.640 I'm sorry.

00:47:12.180 Okay.

00:47:12.680 No, I'm just saying.

00:47:13.760 I mean, every time we make a point, should we have some people interactive and get them involved?

00:47:17.800 No.

00:47:18.340 I just want to make this –

00:47:19.320 I didn't come up here to –

00:47:22.260 Spoken like an officer of the law.

00:47:23.600 I didn't come up here to listen to Randos.

00:47:25.060 I'm sorry.

00:47:25.580 And that includes you.

00:47:26.000 Well, that's part of the show.

00:47:26.540 And that includes you, Alex.

00:47:27.300 Well, I wasn't told this.

00:47:28.020 No.

00:47:28.200 Oh, okay.

00:47:28.680 I'm just going to say one more thing.

00:47:30.320 One more thing.

00:47:30.800 I want to say, Michael, you sound – when you say, I'm not going to answer your questions and I don't want to hear from other people,

00:47:36.440 this is like an unreasonable position.

00:47:39.460 Okay.

00:47:39.760 Can I make my point?

00:47:40.700 Yes.

00:47:41.160 Thank you.

00:47:42.220 If you went back to – I'm not here to be reasonable.

00:47:44.540 If you went – I don't have to be reasonable.

00:47:46.660 I got a badge.

00:47:47.820 If you went back to 2019 and asked doctors, hey, would you ever give a medication to every single one of your patients,

00:47:57.640 even for a disease that they can't really get?

00:47:59.580 I'd never do that.

00:48:00.720 Hippocratic oath. 1.00

00:48:01.680 Are you crazy? 1.00

00:48:02.360 That's insane. 1.00

00:48:03.920 Then COVID happened.

00:48:04.760 And there were some who didn't.

00:48:06.440 But they all bent the knee because doctors and white cops are human beings.

00:48:10.960 So they will always bend the knee to those in power if it means they're just – 0.98

00:48:13.900 I'm starting to hate human beings.

00:48:15.300 Yeah, I know.

00:48:15.900 I don't blame you.

00:48:16.780 Cops are human beings.

00:48:17.600 Hey, guys.

00:48:18.420 Hey, guys, real quick.

00:48:19.360 I did have a part two to that.

00:48:20.780 Oh, God.

00:48:21.100 I didn't really get it all out.

00:48:22.220 I didn't even know you were still here, Taylor on the Range.

00:48:24.620 Oh, you scared me.

00:48:25.660 I'm scared to death.

00:48:26.360 It's just like when I call in, I don't shut up.

00:48:28.140 All right.

00:48:29.320 Okay.

00:48:30.100 So what can we do to get it to be normalized for police departments to drop the body cam footage sooner and faster,

00:48:41.360 especially when a viral encounter like William McNeil takes place?

00:48:46.120 All right.

00:48:46.360 Go sit down.

00:48:47.000 It's a good question, and it's not going to be one that you want because it's going to be the real one.

00:48:52.280 So the thing is is that whenever there's a crime that's committed, we don't want the public to overreact.

00:48:56.660 That's right.

00:48:57.060 And then obstruct justice.

00:48:58.640 Yep.

00:48:58.900 And not like in a physical aspect but to like blame the person, whether it's the cop or the individual, for guilt.

00:49:04.240 So you have to be very careful with how much information you put out at a time.

00:49:08.280 Let's say that it's something more heinous like a murder or a serious assault where somebody's shot.

00:49:12.820 You can blame somebody, and social media is well-known for this.

00:49:16.520 I've done a couple videos, angry cops.

00:49:18.540 Anyway, so you've got to be careful with the amount of information that you put out and what information you put out.

00:49:24.920 And although police departments need to be responsible and react to community requests in order to once again gain the trust of the community, which is important,

00:49:35.340 we also have to put the investigation above that because the victims – outstanding – because the victims are the most important thing when it comes to an investigation.

00:49:44.640 And look at that with George Floyd.

00:49:45.980 Like, you saw just the clip at the very end than when everyone saw the broader context.

00:49:50.100 It's a very different story.

00:49:51.460 That's true.

00:49:51.940 All right. 1.00

00:49:52.200 Dante, get your ass down here. 0.99

00:49:53.900 Where's Dante? 1.00

00:49:55.240 Dante.

00:49:55.520 We can still talk while they walk, you know.

00:49:57.120 Yes, you can.

00:49:57.360 Yeah.

00:49:57.620 We can still talk while they walk.

00:49:58.740 That's what I'm saying.

00:49:59.480 We can talk while they come up.

00:50:01.000 So what do you guys want to – go ahead.

00:50:02.860 You've barely said anything, and you look like a felon out of all of us.

00:50:06.080 Appreciate that.

00:50:08.120 Is the heart tattoo for one of the bodies you've killed or one of the wieners that you've taken? 0.73

00:50:14.340 Oh, man.

00:50:15.100 As a comedian, you have to respect the joke.

00:50:18.180 I'm not kill Tony.

00:50:20.440 We're both bald?

00:50:21.400 You can find out afterwards if you want.

00:50:23.060 He is a cop, though.

00:50:27.700 I mean, maybe don't fight a cop.

00:50:30.360 But, okay.

00:50:30.920 And that's how his dog got shot.

00:50:34.240 Cops kill 30 dogs a day, 10,000 a year, and no repercussions.

00:50:37.820 I'm not the ATS.

00:50:38.380 That's not true.

00:50:39.060 They kill 30 dogs a day.

00:50:40.360 We covered it.

00:50:41.260 You know what?

00:50:42.060 They shoot dogs all the time.

00:50:43.600 I know that happens at 30 a day.

00:50:45.220 You know what? 1.00

00:50:45.680 There was a blind and deaf shit, too. 1.00

00:50:47.300 Assume I'm blind. 1.00

00:50:48.220 Google it yourselves.

00:50:49.200 There was a blind and deaf.

00:50:50.840 First of all, deaf. 1.00

00:50:51.760 Blind and deaf, 13-pound shih tzu.

00:50:53.940 Running in circles. 0.62

00:50:55.240 And the cop just shot it twice.

00:50:56.700 On video.

00:50:57.600 On video.

00:50:58.060 Because it was coming right for him.

00:51:00.040 No, no.

00:51:00.820 It was literally just running in circles.

00:51:02.660 He's joking.

00:51:03.360 I know, but, like.

00:51:05.060 First of all, those numbers are inflated, and we call them ex-wives, not dogs.

00:51:09.760 All right.

00:51:10.940 All right, Dante, what do you got for us, brother?

00:51:13.080 If a cop engaged in domestic violence, he will have no repercussions. 1.00

00:51:16.540 Oh, that's a fucking lie. 0.99

00:51:18.980 Dante, let's go speak into the way. 1.00

00:51:20.420 I can't lie.

00:51:20.600 I'm a cop.

00:51:20.980 Hey, what's going on, everybody?

00:51:22.460 One of the only black people here, probably most likely.

00:51:25.120 First of all, I want to give a shout-out to-

00:51:26.800 Boom, get out. 0.86

00:51:27.240 Leave. 0.99

00:51:27.680 No, I'm kidding.

00:51:28.240 No, we're kidding.

00:51:28.920 We're kidding.

00:51:29.180 You're the wrong neighborhood, boy.

00:51:30.380 I want to give a shout-out to my lady, Madeline. 0.98

00:51:33.320 I'm sure quite a few people know her.

00:51:35.100 She's been in the Discord.

00:51:36.180 She's been making hell and all that stuff for myself.

00:51:38.400 I'm kind of new.

00:51:39.580 But I guess I don't really have a question.

00:51:42.680 Well, it kind of is a question.

00:51:44.420 I believe in a little bit more self-policing.

00:51:46.480 I think smaller communities is kind of what we need to go to.

00:51:49.280 What would you guys want to see for self-policing?

00:51:52.020 Like, what would be the extent that citizens would do their own self-policing?

00:51:55.860 How would that be structured?

00:51:57.740 And what do we want to roll back when it comes to police?

00:52:00.140 Because I think we do overextend ourselves when it comes to police.

00:52:02.880 Because the dependency, I just hear people expect other men to do...

00:52:07.220 I got that.

00:52:08.580 I feel like dudes should not wear Crocs.

00:52:14.840 Amen. 1.00

00:52:15.620 You can't defend shit with those fucking things on. 1.00

00:52:18.900 You know what you do? 1.00

00:52:19.520 You call the fashion police on that.

00:52:21.040 It comes from the movie Idiocracy, by the way, Crocs.

00:52:23.840 So you should watch that movie.

00:52:25.040 That's where it came from.

00:52:26.700 Did I just get threatened by a guy with Crocs?

00:52:29.800 No, I'm not wearing Crocs.

00:52:31.400 But I'm just saying...

00:52:32.300 He's a crocodile hunter.

00:52:36.000 Man, that's good.

00:52:37.180 And I'm a stingray. 1.00

00:52:39.840 Yeah, I'm scared of those fuckers. 1.00

00:52:41.620 You should be. 1.00

00:52:42.480 They're terrifying.

00:52:43.580 All right, I think Michael's position is everybody gets a pitchfork and a torch.

00:52:47.220 My position is I wrote an article years ago about gun mandates.

00:52:51.640 Meaning you're mandated to own a gun.

00:52:53.860 I like that mandate.

00:52:55.320 All right, our next challenger or person that wants to ask the question.

00:52:59.360 The one, the only Edgar the Puppet.

00:53:01.180 Is Edgar the Puppet here? 0.90

00:53:03.320 Come on down, Edgar the Puppet. 0.63

00:53:06.860 I know Michael loves talking to puppets.

00:53:08.560 As long as it's not a puppet. 0.99

00:53:10.240 Michael, you hate humans. 0.97

00:53:11.480 You're really going to hate this next guy. 0.98

00:53:12.660 Officer Oinks a lot loves puppets.

00:53:13.920 Okay, all right.

00:53:14.520 Well, good.

00:53:14.940 Good, good.

00:53:15.300 I hope this is enjoyable.

00:53:16.720 Yeah, this is super creepy, but we're going to do this. 0.98

00:53:18.640 I am not creepy, bitch. 0.97

00:53:21.700 Anyway, listen, I want to congratulate Alex Stein on his Ozempic use and Tim for having a great 0.98

00:53:28.520 choice of headwear.

00:53:29.480 Michael for looking like Saddam Hussein and the two bald bookends just for showing up. 0.66

00:53:36.540 Thank you.

00:53:37.520 All right, Michael. 0.99

00:53:38.420 I think, look, you've raised some good points, but look, man, you are from the US fucking 1.00

00:53:43.140 R, USS R, whatever. 0.97

00:53:45.140 How many initials?

00:53:45.840 I forget.

00:53:46.220 I think you've got a lot of, I think between the NKVD and the KGB, I think you've got a

00:53:52.520 lot of generational trauma that you're still dealing with, Michael.

00:53:55.840 I might be wrong.

00:53:56.980 We can hug it out later if you want.

00:53:58.640 No, we can't.

00:53:59.440 I don't want.

00:54:00.380 I am not a cop.

00:54:01.240 You do not want.

00:54:01.580 I'm not a cop.

00:54:02.420 You want a puppet hug, Michael.

00:54:04.400 I do? 1.00

00:54:05.520 You do, bitch. 1.00

00:54:07.180 You need a big, firm puppet hug. 1.00

00:54:09.480 I will let you put your hand in my puppet hole if you're extra gentle. 0.98

00:54:13.420 Search it. 0.96

00:54:14.120 Search his puppet hole so hard.

00:54:15.420 I'm sorry I don't do gentle.

00:54:18.360 No safe words.

00:54:19.840 Listen, listen, I think.

00:54:21.480 No, you listen.

00:54:22.360 No, no, no.

00:54:23.500 No, I don't listen to cops, and that's what you've, you have identified yourself as a

00:54:27.600 cop today, so you've got zero respect for me.

00:54:29.480 You should listen to them, and you shouldn't talk to them.

00:54:31.180 It's not the same.

00:54:32.540 Listen.

00:54:33.000 You sound like my wife.

00:54:35.920 I think.

00:54:36.760 I'm sorry.

00:54:37.560 I'm sorry.

00:54:38.300 Don't be ready tomorrow.

00:54:39.340 You sound like me now.

00:54:41.400 Listen, okay.

00:54:42.160 All of you, in a recent episode of my wonderful YouTube channel, Ask America with Edgar, I

00:54:48.280 was kicked out of the National Zoo lately by police officers.

00:54:52.740 I was, unfortunately, racially profiling animals, and they did not like that, and they kicked 0.99

00:54:58.320 my ass out. 0.94

00:54:59.120 Please, I encourage you to view the episode, because YouTube is throttling it big time. 0.95

00:55:02.540 Regardless, though, those cops were friendly.

00:55:05.500 They were doing their job as they ushered me out and threw me onto the street.

00:55:09.740 So, Rich, you know, not all of them are bad.

00:55:12.860 They're not all bad, but the point is, if someone friendly tells you you can't see your

00:55:16.480 mom in the nursing home as she dies, it's not the attitude that's the problem.

00:55:20.220 They're doing their job correctly.

00:55:21.780 That was the truth of the doctors, though.

00:55:23.340 Michael, everyone.

00:55:24.260 They can't help themselves. 0.94

00:55:25.040 Michael, everyone during COVID was being an absolute cockhole, except for everyone in this 0.97

00:55:30.100 room. 0.97

00:55:30.760 Yeah.

00:55:31.380 Everyone. 0.99

00:55:31.720 That doesn't – who the fuck can't – wait a minute. 1.00

00:55:35.000 If everyone is being a cockhole, they're being a cockhole. 1.00

00:55:37.640 That's an excuse then. 0.98

00:55:38.580 What are you talking about?

00:55:39.540 Well, I'm not saying – I think that you – you might be steering us towards some

00:55:45.360 sort of libertarian madness where there aren't enough rules.

00:55:48.540 I think somehow we have to find a middle ground.

00:55:51.280 Maybe –

00:55:51.660 What does that even mean?

00:55:52.420 What kind of rules are there if you want to say hi to your mom in the nursing home?

00:55:56.280 The rules are you sign in and show ID.

00:55:58.380 That's the rules.

00:55:59.480 Yeah.

00:56:00.180 Yeah.

00:56:00.580 Well, I don't want to –

00:56:01.860 And you don't want to go to jail because you don't want her to – because she doesn't

00:56:04.340 want to die alone.

00:56:05.660 Yeah.

00:56:09.000 I didn't hear that.

00:56:10.140 And you let them in because walls don't work.

00:56:13.540 Yeah.

00:56:13.940 I think somehow before the end of the evening, I would like to see you and Rich kiss.

00:56:19.220 That's all.

00:56:19.760 I just want to get down to that home point.

00:56:21.800 I'm going to start keeping kosher again to make sure that doesn't happen.

00:56:26.240 All right.

00:56:26.820 All right.

00:56:27.760 Well, thank you very much, guys.

00:56:29.180 Thank you.

00:56:29.640 Give it up for Edgar the Puppet, everybody.

00:56:31.560 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:56:33.700 I'm only here because my cuddle buddy, Alex Stein, told my ass to come. 0.99

00:56:39.820 Yes. 0.99

00:56:40.180 Otherwise, I would have stayed home.

00:56:42.620 Yeah, no, because I'm going to be in that Puppet hole in a few minutes after the show.

00:56:45.900 That's fine.

00:56:46.900 There's a lot of cocaine in that Puppet hole. 0.87

00:56:48.240 I cannot wait for your wriggling fingers to send me home, buddy. 0.73

00:56:52.000 Get out.

00:56:52.580 Sit down, Edgar.

00:56:53.320 Give it up for Edgar.

00:56:54.300 Everybody go watch his YouTube channel.

00:56:55.840 All right.

00:56:56.300 Next.

00:56:57.400 Finally, a woman, even though I think we had a fake woman already. 0.93

00:57:00.660 Hey, I'm right here.

00:57:01.920 Well, two fake women. 1.00

00:57:03.100 All right.

00:57:03.280 Madeline, come on down. 1.00

00:57:04.520 Madeline, hurry, hurry, hurry. 1.00

00:57:06.560 Where are you at, Madeline?

00:57:08.000 Give it up for this lady. 1.00

00:57:11.300 We've had two ladies. 1.00

00:57:11.760 No, that's the waitress, guys. 1.00

00:57:13.360 That's...

00:57:13.800 Give it up for the waitress as well. 1.00

00:57:18.240 Is Madeline here?

00:57:20.780 I don't even...

00:57:21.160 Did I see it?

00:57:21.680 Is that her?

00:57:22.760 Ooh, look at her. 0.99

00:57:23.380 Right over here.

00:57:23.940 Right over here.

00:57:24.700 Yeah, right over there.

00:57:25.820 Come on over.

00:57:26.360 Go to the homeless-looking Eminem, Madeline. 1.00

00:57:28.140 Yeah.

00:57:29.400 Stand on this nice, ominous X we have on the floor here.

00:57:32.940 You have one minute.

00:57:39.340 I'm not sure what my question is.

00:57:41.300 Wait, what?

00:57:41.780 Come on, Madeline. 1.00

00:57:42.540 You got anything for us?

00:57:44.240 Why don't you put your name in the bucket?

00:57:45.640 Well, I told them all to.

00:57:46.740 I didn't. 0.99

00:57:47.960 Listen, have you ever been pulled over by a cop before and not know what the fuck was 0.99

00:57:50.820 going on? 0.98

00:57:51.340 Now is your time to ask that question.

00:57:53.140 He's right here.

00:57:57.120 Tell him how you feel.

00:57:58.540 Tell me how I feel. 1.00

00:57:59.380 Tell him how small his dick is. 1.00

00:58:01.500 It's like a thimble. 1.00

00:58:02.880 Tell him how he has to do this job because he has a potential...

00:58:06.600 Oh, big word for violence.

00:58:09.100 Okay.

00:58:11.320 So here's my question for Michael is how are police a necessary evil?

00:58:15.540 Why are police a necessary evil as they enforce our freedom and they help us keep our freedom?

00:58:21.960 I don't understand the question.

00:58:23.200 Why are police a necessary evil?

00:58:26.260 I was saying for the sake of this debate, I'll say the police are a necessary evil because

00:58:29.960 people are of the belief, and I'm not going to argue against that today, that but for the

00:58:34.100 police we would have like 20-20 with 24-7.

00:58:37.280 So you're avoiding my question?

00:58:39.560 Sure.

00:58:40.920 I don't understand the question, to be honest.

00:58:42.560 What part are you confused about?

00:58:44.620 The necessary part or the evil part?

00:58:46.800 A necessary evil.

00:58:48.600 I think they're necessary, and I don't think they're doing anything that goes against what

00:58:53.460 Americans do believe in.

00:58:55.680 Okay. 1.00

00:58:56.220 A lot of Americans believe in stupid things. 1.00

00:58:58.140 A lot of Americans thought that if you stand six feet apart, you can't get your disease, 1.00

00:59:01.980 which makes absolutely no sense, right?

00:59:03.420 A lot of Americans, 48% of them, thought Officer Harris would be a great president.

00:59:08.080 I strongly disagree, and half of those people would be on your jury if you were facing one,

00:59:12.320 so keep that in mind if you're going to fight a charge.

00:59:14.880 98% on your jury in D.C.?

00:59:17.440 Sure, in D.C., right.

00:59:18.640 You're going to prison.

00:59:19.560 Yeah, you're going to prison.

00:59:21.440 As to why they're an evil, the point is, if someone is a sociopath, as I think all politicians

00:59:27.360 are, and you take it as your job, I'm not a sociopath, I'm just going to do whatever

00:59:32.340 they tell me to do, that's not the actions of a moral person.

00:59:35.980 That's the actions of someone who's handed over their conscience to people who they know

00:59:39.560 are evil, or may not know, are evil human beings.

00:59:42.180 Well, I think police officers take the job because they think they're doing something

00:59:45.520 to help people.

00:59:46.400 That's true.

00:59:46.940 I think a lot of them, but just, you know what?

00:59:48.340 Here's another example, the military.

00:59:49.640 A lot of people, and probably some in this room, join the military because they think,

00:59:53.820 okay, I want to protect my country, I want to help my community, I want to keep America

00:59:57.480 free and safe, and that's very commendable. 0.94

00:59:59.640 And then many people in the military are like, what the fuck am I doing here? 0.95

01:00:01.780 I was completely lied to. 0.95

01:00:03.040 But the thing is, you can't quit the military because you're going to court martial and

01:00:05.820 possibly go to jail, but you can quit the police force at any time.

01:00:09.320 And how many of them walked during COVID?

01:00:11.220 Very, very few. 1.00

01:00:12.660 They were more than happy to tell you, fuck you, you're not going to be able to say goodbye 1.00

01:00:16.220 to your loved ones because I need my paycheck. 1.00

01:00:18.020 All right, thank you.

01:00:20.100 Thank you, Madeline.

01:00:21.200 Now our next person, give it up for Madeline, everybody.

01:00:25.000 Now our next guy, I like this already, Joey Cannoli.

01:00:28.920 Joey Cannoli.

01:00:29.940 Yeah!

01:00:31.160 The worst dessert.

01:00:33.460 Let's go, Joey.

01:00:35.860 He called in on the show.

01:00:37.300 Everybody likes sugar cheese.

01:00:40.120 All right, Joey, you got one minute, bro.

01:00:41.240 Another flat rim. 0.99

01:00:42.880 Yo, what the fuck is up, Tim Kass? 1.00

01:00:44.920 Yeah! 1.00

01:00:46.840 So I've been thinking about how, like, how laws are ridiculous.

01:00:52.160 I think that the laws literally only exist so the government can come after normal citizens.

01:00:55.880 I'm okay with this guy so far. 0.98

01:00:57.400 Because every time, every time, like, a politician or a big corporation breaks a fucking law, 0.95

01:01:03.320 like, you have to have, like, a grocery list of things to go after them for. 0.99

01:01:06.900 But when it's a normal citizen knocking over a fence at the Capitol, they will fucking track 0.99

01:01:10.900 you down. 0.99

01:01:13.340 Yeah!

01:01:13.840 What was the question?

01:01:14.740 There is no question.

01:01:15.460 I'm making a statement.

01:01:16.500 Hell yeah! 0.95

01:01:17.080 Amen!

01:01:17.560 Come on down, Joey.

01:01:18.640 Come on down for three minutes.

01:01:19.840 Hurry. 0.99

01:01:20.180 Get your ass down here. 0.99

01:01:21.380 All right, guys. 0.99

01:01:21.860 Give it up for Joey.

01:01:22.460 He's going up.

01:01:22.920 Give it up for Joey.

01:01:23.400 All right, Joey.

01:01:27.560 You know, there was a report that I've sent before from 2005.

01:01:31.540 I think it was.

01:01:32.320 Is that Joey?

01:01:33.020 That's Joey Canole.

01:01:34.260 Nice to meet you.

01:01:34.940 Citigroup said that we live in a plutonomy where the interests of the public don't matter.

01:01:39.120 And if the majority of the people said something should be illegal, politicians don't give a 0.99

01:01:42.340 shit. 0.96

01:01:42.960 But if around 30% of wealthy individuals decide it's illegal, it will be. 1.00

01:01:47.000 So big corporations, politicians, powerful unions never get held accountable.

01:01:52.140 But regular people will get tossed in jail for jaywalking.

01:01:55.840 Two-tier justice system, yeah.

01:01:57.020 Which brings me back to my original point.

01:01:59.040 Don't wear Crocs.

01:02:02.780 Oh, these don't wear Crocs. 0.94

01:02:03.860 Joey, what do you got for us, Joey?

01:02:05.360 I'm just thinking about, like, how it's wild how we need, like, to come up with these big

01:02:10.300 laundry lists of things to arrest some politicians or corporate leaders on because they constantly 0.98

01:02:15.840 break the law all the fucking time. 0.97

01:02:18.000 Here's why it's not the cop's fault, necessarily. 0.99

01:02:19.900 Oh, I don't care about that. 0.99

01:02:20.620 Stop the fucking presses. 1.00

01:02:23.880 Yep. 1.00

01:02:24.320 If the politicians passed the law to stop the presses, the cops would be more than happy

01:02:27.580 to enforce it.

01:02:28.200 Yeah, of course.

01:02:28.480 They have no respect for any amendments, including the first or the second.

01:02:31.340 Because the first amendment also included the right to peaceably assemble.

01:02:35.220 And that was never enforced during COVID.

01:02:37.120 I got to stop you there, Michael, because you're wrong.

01:02:39.320 The police had no problem during COVID enforcing things that weren't even laws.

01:02:43.260 Oh, that's correct.

01:02:43.780 Sure.

01:02:44.200 In fact, you and I got into an argument on your show because I was calling something law. 0.99

01:02:47.380 You're like, shut up. 0.84

01:02:47.900 No, it's not a law. 0.98

01:02:48.580 It's a, what was it, like an edict.

01:02:50.620 Which one?

01:02:51.200 I don't know.

01:02:51.860 Probably.

01:02:52.360 Governor from New York, she had some kind of, Kathy Hochul, she had some kind of ruling. 1.00

01:02:56.360 Right.

01:02:56.500 And you're like, it's not a law.

01:02:57.440 Stop calling it a law.

01:02:58.200 It's not even a level of law.

01:02:59.200 She just decreed. 1.00

01:03:00.120 Decreed.

01:03:00.540 Decreed.

01:03:00.980 Yeah.

01:03:01.280 Decreed.

01:03:01.600 And the cops were like, you got it.

01:03:03.800 So the point I was making with the Joey's point is wealthy people will always have better

01:03:08.440 access to justice because they're going to have better lawyers.

01:03:10.780 And there's nothing, there's nothing you can do around it unless you go, unless you're 0.95

01:03:13.460 a full communist and just have everyone have a shitty job. 0.96

01:03:15.060 Oh, bro, it gets better than that. 0.99

01:03:16.080 They don't even need the lawyers.

01:03:17.480 That's true, too.

01:03:17.980 Because when the prosecutors find out they're going up against a guy with millions of dollars,

01:03:21.900 they say, are we going to be able to win this?

01:03:23.680 Yeah.

01:03:23.940 Why are we going to waste the resources?

01:03:25.220 So that's like part of the problem is that like there is no enforcement wing against people

01:03:29.020 who have a lot of assets and wealth.

01:03:30.940 Unless it's a public spectacle.

01:03:33.360 Yes.

01:03:34.120 Unless it's something like they can like actually, you know, like for example, Donald Trump,

01:03:38.180 like they would, they would obviously, he's trying to go at the system.

01:03:41.160 So of course they're going to try to do all they can.

01:03:43.600 What if, real quick, what if we just got rid of the rich people and took all their stuff?

01:03:47.720 Yeah.

01:03:48.140 And distributed it evenly among everybody?

01:03:50.300 Well, no, he has a, he has a good point, though.

01:03:54.420 Well, I want to say my very good friend, Joe Exotic, the Tiger King, you know, he got, 0.89

01:03:59.760 we love him, but he got famous after he went to prison.

01:04:02.780 If he would have gotten famous before and he had the money to actually fight in his case

01:04:06.780 with a good criminal defense attorney, his outcome would have been totally different.

01:04:10.040 And he almost got pardoned by Trump.

01:04:12.020 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:04:12.540 He needs to get pardoned.

01:04:13.460 Trump pardoned Joe Exotic.

01:04:15.100 You let Kodak Black out.

01:04:16.660 Hold on.

01:04:17.260 But he didn't get pardoned because he had money.

01:04:18.760 He got pardoned because he was in the public sector.

01:04:22.500 It's different than money.

01:04:23.280 Although you're going to say Black.

01:04:23.780 Were you talking about Kodak Black?

01:04:24.920 So, so, but this is a good point.

01:04:26.600 Joe Exotic hasn't been pardoned.

01:04:27.460 We need him to get pardoned.

01:04:28.500 This is a good point.

01:04:29.100 You bring up the rich.

01:04:30.480 Currency isn't just, isn't just cash.

01:04:32.820 There's social currency as well.

01:04:33.880 Get out of here, Joey.

01:04:34.040 Thank you, guys.

01:04:34.640 Give it up for Joey.

01:04:35.500 Thanks, Joe.

01:04:36.960 All right.

01:04:37.480 One of the cultural issues that I think is a big problem is people who have large followings get what they want from corporations, from governments, because they can create fear of public pressure.

01:04:48.800 All right, so to kind of go against what he was saying, where he's like, everybody that's got a bunch of money gets arrested, but they get away with it.

01:04:56.180 A lot of people with no money get arrested and get away with it.

01:04:59.440 It's true.

01:04:59.860 If you go to New York State, specifically the city of Buffalo, the one that I police, the amount of people that get picked up with illegal firearms, not to say that they're carrying concealed in a legal manner.

01:05:09.160 I'm saying, like, people that do it in, like, for drug sales, for other illegal activities, parts of gangs, their intent is to shoot another person, right?

01:05:15.800 The amount of people that get youthful offender status, juvenile offender status, and have the second or third or fourth gun thrown away because they're from a socioeconomical people.

01:05:26.500 It's called the Second Amendment.

01:05:28.600 No, no, no.

01:05:29.120 I'm saying because of crimes they committed, not because they're carrying it.

01:05:32.740 I'm saying specifically because of gang violence, but honing in just on gang violence and drug activity. 0.95

01:05:38.400 The amount of people that have no money that get public defenders where the prosecutor's office, the district attorney's office is like, there's too fucking many of them. 0.51

01:05:47.840 We're going to drop down there. 1.00

01:05:49.360 I put a gun to a guy's head and said, I'm going to fucking kill you. 1.00

01:05:52.120 And then the cop showed up and stopped him. 1.00

01:05:54.120 And we're going to knock it down to attempted assault.

01:05:58.480 So many thousands more than Enron, who eventually got caught.

01:06:03.280 You can take everything you said to the bank as gospel because it's completely true, and that's really, really scary because if everyone in this room, I was just naive.

01:06:10.580 I thought, if something happens to me, I go to DA and they're going to pursue it.

01:06:15.060 And the amount of crimes, like actual indisputable crimes that DAs pursue is such a small number.

01:06:22.660 So this justice system is just there as a wealth extraction mechanism for the people in government.

01:06:29.000 It is not there to keep you safe.

01:06:30.960 Please carry and have a firearm.

01:06:33.500 So the funny thing about all of this is that I could be wrong.

01:06:36.200 You lost me at wealth extraction, but okay.

01:06:38.200 Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that if every single person who went before a judge on a crime requested a jury trial, the system would implode.

01:06:46.940 Because it takes a lot of time.

01:06:48.800 And it's impossible.

01:06:49.600 You have to do a lot of stuff. 1.00

01:06:50.300 And to quote officer law enforcement, yes, some of these people are made up of people that are inside of your community, which are dumb. 0.98

01:06:59.460 And a specific example is that is we had a gang rape on video, Facebook live streamed. 0.98

01:07:05.180 And of a special needs girl who was 16, the video of it, video of it, and five guys were involved.

01:07:12.580 Two of them were juveniles.

01:07:13.700 One person thought that even though she was kidnapped, she could still consent to sex. 0.56

01:07:27.220 One person thought that even though you're kidnapped, you can still consent to sex. 0.82

01:07:35.060 So that person would not go forward with the rape charges of the five people that raped a special needs girl on camera with her crying, no, stop, that hurts. 0.98

01:07:44.340 I'm starting to hate human beings again. 0.77

01:07:45.700 It's pretty easy to. 0.83

01:07:46.660 All right, AKRomanation, AKRomanation.

01:07:51.020 Let's go.

01:07:51.660 Come on down. 0.94

01:07:52.400 What do you got for us, AK?

01:07:57.300 From AKNation, I'd like very much to put people against wall. 0.93

01:08:01.200 Wall knows justice.

01:08:02.600 All right, brother, you got one minute.

01:08:05.220 What's going on, guys?

01:08:06.140 I can't see anything.

01:08:07.000 What's up?

01:08:08.580 I heard that.

01:08:10.600 You don't have to ask us how we're doing.

01:08:12.260 We've been together for the past hour.

01:08:13.620 You know how we're doing.

01:08:14.400 We've been arguing.

01:08:14.980 Just come up here, ask a question, or debate us.

01:08:17.560 Let's go.

01:08:18.060 Gotcha.

01:08:18.480 All right.

01:08:18.820 So from 17 to 31, I was pulled over 22 times.

01:08:23.320 Jesus.

01:08:24.320 Yeah. 0.96

01:08:25.240 Are you black? 0.66

01:08:26.240 Yeah, I can't tell. 0.97

01:08:26.920 Are you black, sir? 0.95

01:08:28.760 Maybe. 0.94

01:08:29.520 He's not.

01:08:30.300 So that means we're equal.

01:08:31.420 I'm going to get a fraternity test.

01:08:33.320 So I don't understand.

01:08:36.300 Oh, he's Asian. 1.00

01:08:37.500 That's why he's bad at driving.

01:08:42.820 Hold on.

01:08:44.140 All right. 1.00

01:08:44.620 So seven of those times were because I was just being stupid. 0.98

01:08:49.580 I was young, you know, speeding, running through stop signs, things like that. 0.95

01:08:53.520 But I never really got an explanation from all of the rest of them.

01:08:57.760 So my question is, what is the legal process in which law enforcement can pull you over?

01:09:02.720 And second, this is kind of like off on the side.

01:09:07.300 The scanning of a license plate of an individual who is not committing a crime, is that a violation of your Fourth Amendment right?

01:09:14.180 All right.

01:09:15.060 Come on up, sir.

01:09:15.760 Come on up, AK.

01:09:16.440 That's good.

01:09:16.960 Give it up for AK.

01:09:20.300 You can answer it.

01:09:21.220 All right.

01:09:21.480 I'll go first.

01:09:22.620 All right.

01:09:23.020 So the reason why you're given a ticket, the explanation is on the ticket.

01:09:27.560 Here's the ticket.

01:09:28.480 This is what you're ticketed for.

01:09:30.100 There's the explanation.

01:09:31.180 They may not have said it to you in person, which is odd.

01:09:34.240 Normally, I would do that as a courtesy.

01:09:36.400 But it's on the ticket.

01:09:38.380 When they give you the ticket, there's the reason why they stopped you.

01:09:41.440 For the I scan your plate or I type down your license plate without pulling you over or having anything prior to, the license plate in New York State and all other states is owned by the state.

01:09:53.720 You're renting the plate from the state.

01:09:56.640 The state is the state or the plate is the state's property.

01:09:59.580 So I, as a representative of the law enforcement agency within that state, can then run it.

01:10:05.220 And if you are suspended, if the registration is suspended or there's no inspection or the inspection expired or a large thing is that car or the registration that comes back is stolen, then I can pull it over.

01:10:18.940 So anybody that would like to say if you run the plate without them doing anything that's bad and illegal, I would then ask you, well, how are we supposed to catch stolen vehicles?

01:10:27.220 When the registered owner puts that plate out as stolen.

01:10:30.580 Yeah.

01:10:31.040 Now, are they now legally that they're supposed to tell you why they pulled you over?

01:10:34.600 Right. 0.95

01:10:35.740 Well, you're black. 0.99

01:10:38.200 I knew I knew this was coming. 0.99

01:10:39.980 So there's there's a time and a place because you get pulled over.

01:10:43.500 It doesn't mean you get to demand that they tell you right then and there for the reason of the stop.

01:10:47.560 And like I said, in the most extreme situation, if they don't say anything, then the ticket that they give you is the reason for the stop, which normally they would explain and say, here's a ticket.

01:10:57.300 It's for speeding.

01:10:58.220 You can choose guilty or not guilty.

01:11:00.460 Here's how you do it.

01:11:01.560 Right.

01:11:01.780 Right.

01:11:02.040 Now.

01:11:02.680 So good.

01:11:03.560 Quick, quick follow up question.

01:11:04.460 Honest question.

01:11:05.220 What would happen if I got pulled over and just kept my window rolled up and said nothing?

01:11:08.540 The sovereign citizen.

01:11:09.820 No, no, no.

01:11:10.520 Just literally.

01:11:11.560 I remain silent.

01:11:12.320 I won't talk to you.

01:11:13.420 And I just sat there and did nothing.

01:11:14.700 So when you're when you're stopped by police in New York state, because I can speak for that, because I know that you are required to show identification and your license for traveling on New York state throughways, thoroughfares in the city, et cetera, because tax dollars paid for the city's roads, the state's thoroughfares, et cetera.

01:11:38.480 So if I pull you over and you refuse to answer any questions, that's one thing.

01:11:42.740 If you keep the window rolled up and refuse to show ID, which is required of you and you sign an agreement when you take your driver's test and get your ID, then it would be obstruction and I could arrest you for obstruction.

01:11:53.860 Likely, most states, though, obstruction is the lesser violation charge.

01:11:58.900 So I might break out your window and tow your car or break out your window and pull you out.

01:12:03.300 But then I would give you like a violation level ticket.

01:12:05.400 So a person could, if they get pulled over, crack their window a little bit.

01:12:08.240 When you walk up, just hand the license, insurance or registration and then say nothing.

01:12:12.100 And that's that's all they have to do.

01:12:13.340 To quote officer from the law enforcement, all you have to do is provide your ID so you can crack the window and hand it them.

01:12:19.600 Keep your hands up on the wheel so the officer doesn't feel freaked out.

01:12:22.940 Say nothing.

01:12:23.520 Can you slap it on the glass with your finger up?

01:12:26.720 You can.

01:12:29.260 Just a question.

01:12:30.040 You can.

01:12:31.100 I would, though, however, I would like to get that ID in my hand because people can fake IDs.

01:12:37.540 Okay.

01:12:37.760 So the officer.

01:12:38.260 They want to have it in their hands.

01:12:39.540 We want to have it in our hands.

01:12:41.200 Is that legal?

01:12:42.160 What's that?

01:12:42.620 Is that like a law?

01:12:44.860 A requirement?

01:12:45.640 I don't know.

01:12:46.060 If you're driving a car, you have to have it.

01:12:47.160 Can I argue that you can see it from here?

01:12:48.680 No, but you have to hand it over.

01:12:49.840 So that would be something you'd have to fight in the courts, right?

01:12:53.920 It's not worth it.

01:12:54.840 It's not worth it because the legal requirement for me to say, I don't know if that ID is fake.

01:12:59.680 He's just showing me a photo ID.

01:13:01.560 I want to hold it in my hands.

01:13:03.000 I want to check and make sure it's a valid ID.

01:13:04.440 That would be the same as if somebody didn't have their ID and you had to give them some kind of information, though, right?

01:13:09.500 Correct.

01:13:09.980 Yeah, right.

01:13:10.740 Can I say something or are you going to yell at me again?

01:13:14.120 I meant Tim.

01:13:14.940 Tim yelled at me, not you.

01:13:15.780 Me?

01:13:16.220 No, we didn't yell at you.

01:13:17.640 Okay.

01:13:18.020 Now let's yell at me.

01:13:18.860 I was just trying to get this show going.

01:13:21.000 Hold on.

01:13:21.340 When I was a kid, because I'm the oldest person probably on this platform.

01:13:25.140 Probably not, but anyway.

01:13:25.880 Because I'm an ancient evil from times immemorial.

01:13:29.680 People used to sneeze in their hands, and then you shake hands, and people get sick. 0.97

01:13:33.580 And then there was a big campaign, hey, sneeze into your elbow, and everyone's like, oh, shit, why are we sneezing into our hands, right?

01:13:39.020 So my point is everyone thinks speeding tickets are just something you do, but if you stop at thinking about it, it makes no sense. 0.98

01:13:46.180 Because if I – what speeding tickets are are a way to fuck over poor people and a way to get money for the government.

01:13:52.540 If I'm a danger, like if I'm a DUI, you pull me over, I shouldn't be driving.

01:13:57.840 Hey, you know who agreed?

01:13:59.280 Hitler. 0.57

01:13:59.760 He did – in the Autobahn, they had no speed limits.

01:14:02.220 Still got that.

01:14:02.600 Great contribution, Alex.

01:14:03.500 But they did.

01:14:04.460 I mean –

01:14:05.340 Hitler was right about you. 1.00

01:14:06.700 Well, you can drive as fast as you wanted, so you agree with Hitler. 1.00

01:14:09.420 The point being, if I'm wealthy, the speed ticket's not going to matter, but if I'm extremely poor, that $100 is going to make a big difference one way or another. 0.97

01:14:16.700 And it's very fucked up – what's going on here? 0.98

01:14:20.460 I don't know. 0.99

01:14:20.980 It's very fucked up that this is something that happens, and there's no other situation where they just give you a ticket. 0.96

01:14:26.880 Maybe we could take all the money from the rich people and then evenly distribute it out to everybody. 0.98

01:14:30.500 Or maybe if someone commits a crime that's not hurting anyone or is actually threatening people, you give them a warning enough times, you're not allowed to drive.

01:14:38.500 But the ticket in this situation is only a way to regressively tax supporters.

01:14:42.340 Speeding is potentially hurting somebody.

01:14:44.400 Everything's potentially hurting somebody.

01:14:46.160 Okay. 0.99

01:14:46.680 That's a good fucking argument. 1.00

01:14:48.220 But hold on. 0.99

01:14:49.080 There are certain countries, though, that do that on tier systems. 0.98

01:14:50.920 I take shits, and those potentially hurt somebody. 0.98

01:14:53.060 Oh, you're going to say a great point. 1.00

01:14:54.560 Go ahead.

01:14:54.820 I know what you're saying.

01:14:55.340 Yeah, so there are certain countries, I believe some Scandinavian countries, that have it on a tier system.

01:14:59.660 So the tickets are based off of how much you make.

01:15:02.820 That makes more sense.

01:15:04.320 It makes a hell of a lot more sense.

01:15:05.640 Awesome.

01:15:06.080 That's communism.

01:15:07.280 All right, guys.

01:15:07.980 Give it up for AK Roma. 1.00

01:15:09.100 Thank you, AK.

01:15:13.600 His hand's so sweaty.

01:15:15.220 All right.

01:15:15.600 Steven Sharper.

01:15:16.980 Steven Schapper.

01:15:18.040 Is that what it is?

01:15:18.760 Steven Schapper.

01:15:19.540 I see you over there.

01:15:20.280 Come on down. 0.94

01:15:21.040 Let's go, guys.

01:15:21.900 Give it up for Steven.

01:15:22.900 Give it up, everybody.

01:15:23.740 Hurry.

01:15:24.420 Thank you.

01:15:24.780 It would be nice to give a speeding ticket to somebody in an Aston Martin and for them to be like, 0.98

01:15:28.860 fuck, instead of, I'll pay this. 1.00

01:15:31.140 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:31.440 Yeah.

01:15:32.160 Parking tickets, too.

01:15:33.460 In Chicago at Wrigley Field, people intentionally double park because a $50 parking ticket is cheaper than parking.

01:15:38.560 Yeah.

01:15:39.440 It's just a fee.

01:15:40.760 I feel like parking is different than speeding.

01:15:42.700 For sure, for sure.

01:15:43.460 But it's...

01:15:44.140 I used to get tickets for being on a train in Australia without having a ticket because I didn't want to buy a ticket.

01:15:49.040 And when they would give me the ticket, I would act like it wasn't a lot of money.

01:15:52.400 But it was.

01:15:53.620 But I was just trying to, like, piss them off.

01:15:55.840 You look like a guy that really likes trains.

01:15:58.200 Yeah.

01:15:58.360 The term is trainable.

01:16:02.700 Oh, how did you take that?

01:16:06.180 Autism.

01:16:06.680 Autism.

01:16:07.100 All right, Steven, what do you got for us, brother?

01:16:08.700 Hey, how's everybody doing?

01:16:10.080 Don't ask us that, okay?

01:16:11.780 I'm going to ask you that.

01:16:12.760 Whatever you have to say, say your point or debate.

01:16:15.660 You see how we're doing? 0.99

01:16:16.920 We're up there trying to do a damn show. 0.99

01:16:18.520 Is Alex a cop? 0.99

01:16:19.920 Kind of.

01:16:20.560 I'm the show cop.

01:16:21.680 I'm trying to make this thing run.

01:16:22.760 All this rage.

01:16:23.360 Okay, okay, okay.

01:16:24.420 Here's the question.

01:16:24.900 Here's the question, right?

01:16:25.900 All right, so since we have kind of varying opinions here up on the stage, what would reorganization

01:16:30.960 of different police departments, such as the NYCPD, look like so that way it more aligns

01:16:36.960 with societal norms, i.e. more federalization, more bringing it down to the basic levels of

01:16:41.740 the bureaus, or is it just too far gone and we just got to replace everybody with big booty

01:16:46.200 Latinas? 0.87

01:16:47.960 Yeah.

01:16:48.620 We love that.

01:16:49.260 That made no sense because you said NYCP.

01:16:51.600 You mean NYPD, right?

01:16:53.360 We all understood.

01:16:55.100 Okay.

01:16:55.580 I didn't.

01:16:56.100 I don't.

01:16:56.400 New York Citizens Patrol.

01:16:57.420 You know what NYCPD means? 1.00

01:17:00.120 CPD means my butthole shoots out shit, doesn't it? 0.99

01:17:06.100 Frankly, if the NYPD or the NYCPD was doing like how I would like it, there'd be a lot fewer 1.00

01:17:13.280 politicians around, if you know what I mean.

01:17:15.100 Oh, yeah.

01:17:18.120 Okay, our next person. 0.99

01:17:19.460 Yeah, that question sucked. 0.98

01:17:20.380 Go sit down. 0.99

01:17:20.840 Donnie Dossie.

01:17:23.440 Who's Donnie Dossie?

01:17:25.220 Donnie, you here?

01:17:27.260 Oh, that was quick.

01:17:28.060 He's already here.

01:17:28.620 He's already here.

01:17:29.360 Awesome.

01:17:29.740 All right, Donnie, you got a minute.

01:17:30.780 What's up, brother?

01:17:31.460 All right, all right.

01:17:32.080 How we doing?

01:17:33.800 I'm not going to ask that question.

01:17:35.100 I'm asking you.

01:17:35.660 How you doing?

01:17:36.380 How am I doing?

01:17:37.240 You know, I'm having a freaking blast.

01:17:38.140 Don't answer questions.

01:17:38.680 Everyone's having a blast.

01:17:39.980 All right, all right, all right, all right.

01:17:41.060 Exactly.

01:17:41.720 All right, so here's the deal.

01:17:43.140 I'm shitty with names, so I'm pointing at pornstache cop guy. 0.81

01:17:46.700 There's two pornstache cops. 0.95

01:17:47.700 All right.

01:17:47.720 Which pornstache cop?

01:17:49.020 Okay.

01:17:49.880 All right.

01:17:50.720 Not you.

01:17:51.600 You got the...

01:17:52.680 You and I are on the same page.

01:17:54.920 We got the bald head.

01:17:55.620 We're there.

01:17:56.760 All right, all right, all right.

01:17:57.480 So I heard you earlier. 0.98

01:17:59.540 All right, so I think everybody can agree here that we've all encountered an asshole cop or two in our lifetimes. 0.99

01:18:04.400 I have. 0.99

01:18:04.860 I've worked with enough.

01:18:05.540 But for the most part, cops really aren't that bad. 0.97

01:18:08.920 They're not assholes. 0.81

01:18:09.960 Now, I'm hearing pornstache sitting here saying that no cops are ever held accountable. 0.84

01:18:15.400 However, I would argue that's not true, especially when we have cops that are being held accountable for merely following their training, such as Derek Chauvin.

01:18:24.880 Derek Chauvin was not held accountable.

01:18:26.700 Derek Chauvin was railroaded.

01:18:28.080 I agree.

01:18:28.720 He's railroaded, but they call it accountability.

01:18:31.100 But besides, I really wanted to get to Alex.

01:18:35.020 Didn't he get murdered one?

01:18:35.340 I really wanted to get to Alex here.

01:18:37.380 I think he even murdered one.

01:18:38.640 Alex.

01:18:39.100 Alex.

01:18:39.720 Yes, Donnie.

01:18:40.300 So you were asking him if he felt guilty about conducting interviews or whatever after reading the number of rights and whatnot.

01:18:49.080 Okay, okay.

01:18:51.020 You're amazing at what you do.

01:18:52.740 I know. 1.00

01:18:53.220 I'm kissing your ass right now. 1.00

01:18:54.640 Thank you. 1.00

01:18:55.960 Okay, okay, okay.

01:18:57.440 Do you feel bad?

01:18:59.500 Do you feel bad about being better at your job than other people or theirs?

01:19:04.380 Yeah, actually I do because I'm empathetic because I'm a superstar and I see some of these other people.

01:19:08.880 And I feel like, you know, then you guys will never know what it's like to live in space with me and the aliens. 0.99

01:19:15.760 No, what the fuck do you, wait, what are you trying to do? 0.99

01:19:17.900 Are you trying to troll me right now, dude, all right? 1.00

01:19:20.140 What are you trying to do?

01:19:21.360 Here's my point.

01:19:22.220 Here's my point.

01:19:22.900 I work in sales.

01:19:23.940 He works as a cop.

01:19:25.060 His job is to get suspects to speak.

01:19:28.160 The suspect's job is to not speak.

01:19:30.500 Should he feel bad about being better at his job than the suspect?

01:19:33.740 Is it theirs?

01:19:34.020 Yes, because the suspect's an average person.

01:19:36.300 We're all average people.

01:19:37.760 No, we're not.

01:19:38.280 Speak for yourself, buddy.

01:19:41.220 My guess, let me answer your question.

01:19:42.180 And I don't think you're average.

01:19:43.440 And there's been probably not one.

01:19:45.220 I'm above average.

01:19:45.960 I appreciate it.

01:19:46.720 And tell me if I'm wrong, Rich.

01:19:48.140 There's probably been not one example of a time where you told the guy, hey, stop talking to me and get a lawyer.

01:19:54.540 Have you ever said that?

01:19:55.500 Have you miranda-ized somebody and said, you know what?

01:19:57.200 Actually, don't talk to me.

01:19:58.020 Your best interest would be say, I need a lawyer.

01:19:59.940 Have you ever gave?

01:20:00.840 No.

01:20:01.060 And a cop never would.

01:20:02.380 But that would be the best for them and their safety and their day in court.

01:20:06.680 Wouldn't that always be the best option not to talk to a cop?

01:20:09.220 It depends.

01:20:09.780 If you're a suspect, probably your best thing.

01:20:12.300 If you're a subject, you could help out the investigation.

01:20:13.960 If you're a victim, you talk to a cop.

01:20:15.420 No, I'm talking about just if you're a suspect, if you're being considered as a, they want to charge you with a crime, it never benefits you to talk to a cop.

01:20:23.080 Zero percent of the time.

01:20:25.100 And this is what they say.

01:20:26.240 And this is what Rich will say.

01:20:27.100 They say, oh, you know what?

01:20:27.960 You need it to be, if you're good to us now, oh, we're going to tell the judge and the DA and they're going to take it easy on you. 0.99

01:20:33.100 The judge and the DA don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:20:34.960 I'm going to agree. 0.99

01:20:35.960 You shouldn't be talking to cops without lawyers.

01:20:38.480 But at the same time, I'm not going to say that he's doing a bad job by convincing people to speak.

01:20:42.880 That's the problem.

01:20:43.280 I said it's the honest cops who are the ones who are the problem, not the corrupt ones.

01:20:45.880 There are a few corrupt ones.

01:20:46.740 It's the honest ones who are the problem.

01:20:47.700 Yeah, that is true.

01:20:48.580 A few corrupt ones.

01:20:49.620 I appreciate that.

01:20:50.260 I stole a girl's bike once because I needed it. 1.00

01:20:52.520 There were no more trains.

01:20:54.260 It was the only bike I could find.

01:20:55.980 And it was raining and the cops pulled me over while I was pedaling down the road at one in the morning on a girl's pink bike.

01:21:01.340 And they said, where did you get that?

01:21:05.060 And I said, it's my sister's.

01:21:08.200 And then he said, come on, man, be honest.

01:21:10.680 Are you lying?

01:21:11.200 And I was like, all right, I stole it. 1.00

01:21:13.280 And then he fucking arrested me, fucking asshole. 1.00

01:21:17.460 That's entrapment. 1.00

01:21:19.000 I also want to make another serious point, which is this.

01:21:22.260 Wait.

01:21:22.600 It's people might think, okay, like, but legal system worked out. 0.56

01:21:26.980 I'll tell the truth.

01:21:27.620 If the choice you're facing is to plea and get three years in jail or roll the dice with 12 years on a jury and possibly look at 40, a lot of you would take the three.

01:21:38.360 I probably would.

01:21:39.200 Yeah.

01:21:39.400 So what he's talking about with those interrogations is you're forcing that person into a situation where it's three versus life.

01:21:46.980 And, of course, you're going to admit to being guilty to something you didn't do because the alternative is much, much worse.

01:21:52.800 Hold on.

01:21:53.680 So you're kind of pigeonholing the argument.

01:21:56.220 When it's an agreement for a plea, that means that the defense gets all of the evidence from the prosecution.

01:22:02.080 They get to go over it.

01:22:03.500 Sure.

01:22:03.680 They get to determine, hey, here's what they have to prove that you did it.

01:22:07.180 And then they get to decide.

01:22:08.800 That's not something that the police officer there is investigating gets to do.

01:22:12.440 That's something that, like, the very ass end of justice being served.

01:22:15.800 The evidence is – the interview is the evidence.

01:22:18.580 So if you could talk your way into something, that would be very, very hard to get out of.

01:22:23.220 I'm sorry.

01:22:23.640 Say that again. 0.71

01:22:24.060 Your story is not – if your story – you're very nervous, and we've all been nervous, being on a job interview, and maybe your story differs in some details.

01:22:30.320 Now they can say, look, you told the cop here you go in the supermarket.

01:22:33.320 Here you said they're going to 7-Eleven.

01:22:35.000 Now you're lying.

01:22:36.020 So now we got you, and you said you didn't like this person.

01:22:38.260 That's motive.

01:22:39.100 So, listen, we can put you away for life, or we can just have you for two years.

01:22:42.380 What's it going to be?

01:22:43.040 You know, I actually don't think it works out that way, to be honest.

01:22:47.300 The idea that in most circumstances they're going to say, aha, you confused something. 0.99

01:22:52.120 In my experience, what actually happened to me is they just said, quite literally, I don't give a fuck what you think. 0.99

01:22:58.620 I'm going to say whatever I want. 0.99

01:22:59.680 Oh, sure.

01:23:00.160 Okay.

01:23:00.500 Like, the idea they're going to go, aha, I finally caught you.

01:23:02.600 Oh, they're not going to admit it.

01:23:03.720 No, but I mean, like, they don't need an excuse.

01:23:05.720 I agree.

01:23:06.560 They're just going to say, bro, I'm going to accuse you of wrongdoing.

01:23:08.180 I'm trying to steal man the cop position.

01:23:09.540 Yeah, okay.

01:23:10.360 What do you got, Jason? 0.99

01:23:11.040 No, the gay cop wants to say something. 0.99

01:23:12.620 Oh, God. 0.99

01:23:14.660 God, I have a question.

01:23:16.820 Okay.

01:23:17.680 Michael, you're a capitalist, correct?

01:23:20.560 No.

01:23:21.200 He's an anarchist.

01:23:22.200 I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

01:23:23.320 So, no, no, I'm not an anarcho-capitalist.

01:23:25.120 So, this is really, that's not correct.

01:23:27.160 Sorry, I'm sorry.

01:23:28.080 I'm not trying to pigeonhole you.

01:23:29.480 You are.

01:23:30.320 No, I'm not.

01:23:31.060 I'm asking a legitimate question.

01:23:32.620 And I answered two of those questions.

01:23:33.560 And you said no.

01:23:34.120 And now we're done.

01:23:35.000 Okay.

01:23:35.900 He's an anarcho-centrist.

01:23:37.460 I do not think capitalism is a defensible term.

01:23:39.880 Do you think that a free market is positive?

01:23:43.220 Yes.

01:23:43.700 Would you prefer a free market over anything else?

01:23:46.180 I don't know.

01:23:47.000 I'd have to think about it.

01:23:47.720 Okay.

01:23:48.060 Well, I'll give you a scenario.

01:23:49.120 No.

01:23:50.780 I'm not speaking, I'm not answering questions from a cop.

01:23:53.280 If you're a person that has, if you're a person of sound mind and sound body, and you choose to make a business decision with all the information in front of you, how is that a bad thing?

01:24:04.100 Because if I'm a police officer saying, here are your rights, and here's all the information in front of you, is that not capitalism?

01:24:09.920 Is that not giving you all the information that's necessary and available in order for you to make a choice, and then you choose it?

01:24:15.680 So I literally told you I find capitalism an indefensible term, and now you're proceeding as if I'm for capitalism.

01:24:20.300 I didn't.

01:24:20.540 I just asked you a question.

01:24:21.320 I didn't say that that's how you thought.

01:24:22.360 I said, is that an example of capitalism?

01:24:24.540 Sure.

01:24:24.820 I don't know.

01:24:25.800 All right.

01:24:26.340 Next victim, Rolf Hendricks.

01:24:28.980 Is Rolf Hendricks here?

01:24:31.300 Rolf.

01:24:31.700 Come on down, Rolf.

01:24:32.760 And don't ask us how we're doing.

01:24:36.900 It's not well.

01:24:37.940 Yeah, start off with a wiener joke.

01:24:39.160 Well, if I only get one minute, I'm going to err on the side of inclusiveness.

01:24:42.520 I have a question that includes everyone.

01:24:44.240 What would it take for you to adopt the complete opposite position of what you're adopting right now?

01:24:49.100 Paint us a colorful picture of what it would take.

01:24:51.140 I'm a milquetoast fence sitter, so I'll go either way.

01:24:53.320 I don't know what the opposite of my position would be that cops aren't human beings,

01:25:00.340 and I think it would take a lot for me to guilt that position.

01:25:02.760 Wait, Michael, have you never been in a dark alley or something, and you see five black dudes,

01:25:07.460 and you wish there was a cop there?

01:25:08.760 Have you ever been in a situation where you want a cop there?

01:25:11.800 Statistically speaking.

01:25:13.340 I grew up in New York, so I remember New York before Giuliani.

01:25:18.580 And what happened is, it wouldn't be necessarily black people.

01:25:21.100 It was also Hispanics. 0.98

01:25:22.020 There's also white people who give me a crime. 0.78

01:25:23.840 I didn't say white. 0.55

01:25:24.800 I said Hispanic.

01:25:25.960 It was black. 0.52

01:25:26.500 Come on. 0.99

01:25:26.960 Don't put words in my mouth, officer.

01:25:29.180 Point being, yes, there are things that are worse than the police.

01:25:32.380 Like I said, cops are human beings.

01:25:34.060 They're not the worst thing ever.

01:25:36.060 Certainly, gangs, which can roam around with impunity, are much worse than the police.

01:25:41.260 But the police are just a different type of gang.

01:25:43.360 They're a gang you approve of.

01:25:44.220 So, right, so let me ask you this from the audience member's question.

01:25:47.940 What degree of violence or crime or what in society would make you say,

01:25:53.260 you know what, I want a police force out of the whole force?

01:25:57.560 No, no, I want a lot more security.

01:26:00.480 I think our system is a very poor way of getting there.

01:26:03.320 That's all I'm saying.

01:26:04.240 Is the question you think there is an honest question,

01:26:06.640 there is no circumstance where you would want the police?

01:26:09.600 There are many cases I would want the police

01:26:11.020 because the police are creating a situation where they're the only answer.

01:26:13.680 For example, if you kidnap me and you give me food, yeah, I want your food.

01:26:17.340 I understand.

01:26:18.140 The question is, is there a circumstance where you would agree,

01:26:22.280 you know what, because something has happened,

01:26:24.880 I want the government to institute a police department.

01:26:26.560 Let's say there's no police at all.

01:26:28.040 Could something happen where you say we should establish a police force?

01:26:32.200 Like a monopolistic government.

01:26:34.140 Sure, like if there's some kind of like war, like we're just leaving war.

01:26:37.040 Like Germany's bombed out at the end of World War II, right?

01:26:39.780 People are stealing food.

01:26:41.160 There's no whatever.

01:26:41.640 Or if in that situation, like, all right,

01:26:43.460 we're going to have a mandate of some kind of insane security system.

01:26:46.040 Yeah, that makes sense to me.

01:26:47.360 Well, that would be martial law, wouldn't it?

01:26:48.400 We already have that.

01:26:49.400 If you couldn't place it, you wouldn't place martial law. 1.00

01:26:52.700 All right, sit your ass down. 1.00

01:26:54.080 Next person. 0.99

01:26:55.900 Denzel Wright.

01:26:56.800 Is Denzel Wright here?

01:26:58.980 Come on down, Denzel.

01:27:00.440 I like this.

01:27:01.920 Very urban sounding name.

01:27:03.640 Denzel, when you grab the mic,

01:27:04.720 you need to do a Denzel Washington impression right away.

01:27:07.460 I want you to say, get your hands off me. 0.99

01:27:12.280 So I got a quick question.

01:27:14.340 What are your thoughts on ICE?

01:27:15.880 And what if we didn't have ICE to be sending the Big Booty Latinas to Alligator Alcatraz? 1.00

01:27:21.500 Well, don't you – I feel like you would support federalized government in some aspect of protecting borders.

01:27:27.460 Why do you feel the constant need to ascribe views to me?

01:27:32.760 I'm asking.

01:27:33.700 I'm not – I'm saying, would you?

01:27:35.280 I feel like.

01:27:36.220 I'm saying me.

01:27:36.600 Can you answer my question?

01:27:37.900 What's that?

01:27:38.340 Why do you feel the constant need to ascribe views to me?

01:27:40.740 Because I don't know what you think about things.

01:27:42.280 I want to ask you questions to see how you think.

01:27:43.780 But you're framing it in such a way that you're presuming my answer.

01:27:47.120 Well, I said I feel.

01:27:48.640 That's why I said I feel that this might be something, and you can dispute it.

01:27:52.140 Sure, but your feelings are the problem because when cops are implementing the law and they're having a bad day,

01:27:58.500 they're going to take their feelings out on the side of your head.

01:28:01.680 Vax, don't care about your feelings, folks.

01:28:03.420 Mr. Malice, are you – do you support ICE?

01:28:07.580 I think having open borders is disastrous for America.

01:28:12.440 Yeah.

01:28:12.940 However, I'm going to say one more point.

01:28:15.280 I had Owen Schroyer on my show, and this is Owen's words, not mine.

01:28:19.420 And Owen went to jail for – he's on the January 6th Martyrs.

01:28:22.260 He's hardly on the left.

01:28:23.780 And his whole point is if you have someone here who's been working on a farm for like 20 years,

01:28:28.240 like this is not my priority to take them and deport them.

01:28:31.500 And he goes, this is going to backfire really bad in the Republican Party.

01:28:34.300 And I don't think he's entirely wrong.

01:28:35.520 I think the bigger issue –

01:28:36.560 That's why big booty latinos get to stay, right? 1.00

01:28:38.480 No, no.

01:28:38.800 I think the bigger issue instead of the illegal immigrants is birthright citizenship.

01:28:43.580 That's what's attracting people to come here.

01:28:45.400 So let me ask you this question.

01:28:46.960 Should we have a privatized immigration enforcement system?

01:28:50.640 It would be more effective, don't you think?

01:28:52.560 So – but is that yes?

01:28:54.320 Like each local jurisdiction will –

01:28:55.760 What do you mean by we?

01:28:56.740 Should the people who live in various communities upon themselves create private enterprise that

01:29:02.520 would be supported by individuals who had subscribed to that service to go to businesses

01:29:05.940 and go to homes and take people who are here illegally and deport them?

01:29:08.920 No, I don't think it should be done in the community because that's not going to be effective, right?

01:29:12.260 Because if my –

01:29:12.880 It's private businesses.

01:29:13.780 But my point is if –

01:29:14.560 And then people have to pay for it.

01:29:15.740 Right.

01:29:15.940 But my point is if they're just looking at Austin and I know that they're going to be bad in Austin

01:29:19.500 as an illegal immigrant, I'm just going to go to San Antonio or somewhere else.

01:29:22.340 So unless it's some kind of federal border thing, it's really going to have an insane amount of loopholes.

01:29:26.420 So should the federal – should the people then – should there be some federal jurisdiction like –

01:29:31.540 There has to be.

01:29:32.280 Federal private companies that do immigration enforcement, who pays for it?

01:29:37.360 Like who's the customer?

01:29:40.120 If you're going to have a national government, you're going to have some taxation to find.

01:29:45.040 In your view, with no police and we want to enforce immigration enforcement – 0.72

01:29:49.360 Wait, wait, no.

01:29:49.800 In my view, there's just no government police.

01:29:51.640 There's still private police.

01:29:52.520 Yes, agreed, agreed.

01:29:53.480 So in this system of private police –

01:29:55.080 But the thing is, in my view, there's no birthright citizenship.

01:29:57.460 Everything is private.

01:29:58.560 A lot of these issues kind of fall by the wayside because you could hire and fire whoever you want.

01:30:03.440 So even if they just walked across the border then?

01:30:05.420 Right.

01:30:05.960 So there would be tons of people who weren't probably just coming here without any laws.

01:30:09.400 But also there would be tons of people who aren't getting free welfare.

01:30:12.280 They're already getting free schooling.

01:30:13.900 They're already getting driver's licenses.

01:30:15.600 They're not getting all these other things.

01:30:16.920 So the number of people who come here, the problem with the immigrants isn't necessarily like that stereotypical guy

01:30:22.520 who's like outside Home Depot wants a job.

01:30:23.880 So it's the people who are just here to be on the dole and then to raise their kids to a Democrat.

01:30:28.120 So in this system where currently polling shows that most people – this is across the board, even CNN finds this – want illegal immigrants deported.

01:30:35.780 Sure, and I'm not against that.

01:30:37.140 Who is the customer base to hire a private immigration company?

01:30:41.540 So I don't know that that would work in a private mechanism because –

01:30:44.360 So then how does –

01:30:45.120 Hold on, let me finish.

01:30:46.040 Because there's not any individual who's the victim, right?

01:30:50.120 Agreed.

01:30:50.360 So if there is like – if you get killed and you have like a private security, they're going to track down your killer.

01:30:54.320 But this is something that's a societal issue.

01:30:56.080 So it has to be handled societally.

01:30:57.540 So if you have a system where law enforcement is privatized, everybody – or I should say in the majority of the country, most people are like, we all agree these people shouldn't be here.

01:31:06.700 Unfortunately, there's no mechanism by which –

01:31:08.280 I don't think – I'm going to disagree with you slightly.

01:31:11.160 There's something called revealed preferences, right?

01:31:13.160 So people might say, you know, I'm for this issue.

01:31:16.700 But as soon as they see that footage on TV, all of a sudden they're against it.

01:31:19.760 So people speak out of both minds on many issues.

01:31:22.160 So ostensibly people are against the board of illegal immigrants.

01:31:24.900 But when they see that gram on TV, all of a sudden – no, no, no, no, not like that. 0.75

01:31:27.500 So in this hypothetical scenario where everybody agrees people who enter here illegally or in violation of the will of the market and the community, we want them removed, it doesn't sound like you can do it.

01:31:40.540 Well, it's also that there wouldn't really be any problem.

01:31:43.220 It doesn't matter if there's a problem.

01:31:44.360 It matters with the – like we're all here right now and we're like, hey, we got to throw this guy out.

01:31:47.840 But no one can do it.

01:31:49.280 This guy is here heckling.

01:31:50.220 I didn't say no one can do it.

01:31:51.100 How –

01:31:51.820 Right now –

01:31:52.500 Who could either?

01:31:53.120 Who's the customer?

01:31:53.900 Who pays for it? 0.99

01:31:54.480 Wait.

01:31:54.720 If someone – you want to get somebody out of this place, anyone can do it.

01:31:58.020 So in this system then, it would just be incumbent upon the citizenry to be like, we're going to go out and we're going to grab people and remove them.

01:32:04.940 But I don't think there will be that many people to remove.

01:32:07.460 That's not the argument.

01:32:08.080 That's not the question.

01:32:08.700 Can I finish?

01:32:09.300 No, because you're changing.

01:32:10.460 Amber Duce, come on down. 1.00

01:32:11.740 Amber Duce.

01:32:12.360 The question I have is, right now, the perception is illegal immigrants shouldn't be here.

01:32:18.400 That's not the perception.

01:32:19.960 Okay.

01:32:20.200 A hypothetical scenario where people don't want illegal immigrants here, how do you enforce it if there's no customer base?

01:32:26.540 There can be no private solution in that regard.

01:32:28.260 What about Batman?

01:32:28.540 They took her jobs. 0.97

01:32:30.200 A bunch of vigilantes.

01:32:32.100 There's different kinds of illegal immigrants.

01:32:34.240 So these kind of questions conflate different things, right?

01:32:37.200 So it does matter because people are certainly willing to put resources to someone who's a member of a gang, but they might ostensibly before get rid of that grandma.

01:32:46.000 But let me finish.

01:32:48.820 I've asked you a very specific question you will not answer.

01:32:51.440 Correct.

01:32:51.740 I won't.

01:32:52.360 You won't.

01:32:53.300 So I guess I win the debate.

01:32:54.440 You win the debate.

01:32:55.020 Tim wins the debate.

01:32:55.920 Give it up for Tim Poole.

01:32:58.000 All right, guys.

01:32:59.900 Frequent TimCast guests.

01:33:01.640 The one, the only, Amber Duke. 0.98

01:33:02.600 And I wanted Amber to come up here because, Rich, one thing we can admit, like, women cops suck, right? 1.00

01:33:07.320 You can admit that. 0.99

01:33:09.340 I called for eliminating female cops this week. 1.00

01:33:12.220 And Colter calls them girl cops, which is appropriately demeaning. 1.00

01:33:14.800 Lady cops. 0.99

01:33:15.820 Yeah, lady cops. 1.00

01:33:16.480 It's always a woman that will always take another woman down. 1.00

01:33:19.900 Or jealous bitches. 1.00

01:33:21.320 She's got authority over me? 1.00

01:33:23.460 Was that your question, Amber?

01:33:25.200 No.

01:33:25.660 My question is on the point about the good cops who follow orders being the problem more so than the politicians.

01:33:31.880 No, more so than the bad cops.

01:33:33.640 Well, more so than the bad cops.

01:33:34.760 Not more so than the politicians, please.

01:33:36.820 Okay, fair.

01:33:37.180 Yeah, because, I mean, I guess my point then rather than my question would be that politicians and the elected officials who make the laws

01:33:44.420 or the DAs who decide to prosecute are the much bigger problem because if you use the analogy of the deep state, right?

01:33:52.060 Yeah, I agree with you.

01:33:53.040 Right?

01:33:53.320 The issue is that we would say people who are unelected bureaucrats who don't follow what the Trump administration wants to do, for example, are the problem.

01:34:02.340 And the people who would follow what the Trump administration wants to do are the ones who are the good ones.

01:34:09.980 But for some reason, in your opinion, when we elect politicians or we elect DAs, suddenly the cops who follow what the people elected to do are the issue.

01:34:21.700 No, they're part of the issue.

01:34:23.000 So as I said earlier, if I hired Tim to kill Alex, we're both at blame.

01:34:26.840 But I'm saying the majority of people elected a DA.

01:34:30.200 I don't care.

01:34:30.480 The majority is of no relevance.

01:34:32.120 Our Constitution.

01:34:33.160 So but if the majority elect the president and then the unelected bureaucrats don't follow what the president did, then that's fine then.

01:34:38.940 I would have been very happy if the unelected bureaucrats defied Biden, for example.

01:34:43.100 Second of all, by design, the people do not elect the president.

01:34:46.120 We have an electoral college because the founding fathers were very much scared that voters would have too much power.

01:34:51.860 So they elect electors and electors elect the president.

01:34:54.040 And this might be a minor issue, in your opinion, or others, but the popular vote is not the determining factor.

01:35:00.640 Or else we would have President Hillary, which I'm sure you wouldn't like. 0.98

01:35:03.280 So what the majority want is, first of all, the majority of voters is of no relevance when it comes to my rights.

01:35:08.560 Freedom means I do what you want, not what you want, or a majority of people want.

01:35:12.680 I punched a female cop once.

01:35:14.780 That's awesome.

01:35:16.280 You know, I was going to say you looked like it, but I didn't want to be rude.

01:35:20.720 Is she hot? 1.00

01:35:21.860 Yeah, she was.

01:35:22.600 Yeah, she's pretty hot. 1.00

01:35:23.640 She's not hot anymore. 0.73

01:35:25.840 It wasn't a great punch.

01:35:27.340 I was really drunk.

01:35:28.700 Is that why you escaped Australia?

01:35:30.440 Let me finish.

01:35:31.380 I don't want to.

01:35:31.960 I'm sorry. 0.99

01:35:32.960 I'm just pretending to be an asshole. 0.99

01:35:34.760 No, I was in an alleyway. 1.00

01:35:35.560 Mission accomplished.

01:35:36.900 I was in an alleyway in a street fight, and somebody, I had hair. 1.00

01:35:40.520 Goddammit, I hate the fucking past. 0.99

01:35:42.380 But I do. 1.00

01:35:43.500 Somebody pulled my hair, and I spun around and punched him, and it was a female police officer. 1.00

01:35:47.320 Oh, Jesus. 1.00

01:35:47.520 And when she hit the deck, I was like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:35:50.540 Because I didn't mean it. 1.00

01:35:51.560 You know what I mean?

01:35:52.300 If I had known, I would not have thrown that punch.

01:35:55.300 But then I ran away because I got scared.

01:35:58.460 I assaulted a police officer.

01:35:59.720 And I hate admitting this, but she caught me.

01:36:04.840 She outran me.

01:36:05.740 I was drunk.

01:36:08.340 She deserved to be there. 1.00

01:36:10.180 Yeah, fuck. 1.00

01:36:10.740 I had it. 1.00

01:36:11.140 Oh, there's way more that came after that.

01:36:13.220 I got punished pretty bad.

01:36:14.460 She tripped me over. 0.73

01:36:15.360 I fell on the ground.

01:36:16.420 Then she got me up against the wall, and she put handcuffs, my hands above my head. 0.98

01:36:20.680 And she kneed me in the butt, and it made my balls hit the wall. 1.00

01:36:23.740 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:24.000 And then when my balls hit the wall, it made me lean forward and headbutt the wall. 0.99

01:36:28.460 So it was a fucking sweet combo that she gave me. 0.99

01:36:32.240 And then when I went to jail, all the other police officers, they put handcuffs around the 0.98

01:36:38.180 back of my hamstrings, so it was on my face and on my knees on the ground.

01:36:42.800 And then she beat me up with a baton for a while. 1.00

01:36:46.860 You said it was a bad punch, right?

01:36:49.780 If they were a male cop, they wouldn't have hit the deck. 0.99

01:36:51.500 Like, you got the wrong guy.

01:36:54.000 Anyway.

01:36:55.740 But then they let me out the next day because I was a foreigner or whatever, and they didn't

01:37:00.980 like...

01:37:01.380 This is in America?

01:37:02.520 Yeah.

01:37:03.140 San Diego. 0.99

01:37:04.020 Fucking 1992? 1.00

01:37:05.780 Holy shit. 1.00

01:37:06.640 I'm fucking 53. 1.00

01:37:07.780 I think it was 92, actually. 0.98

01:37:10.720 But then I remember with no driving, no car, no tax, no money.

01:37:15.280 So we walked back to Mission Beach, and a homeless guy pissed himself in the cell.

01:37:21.500 So I slept in his piss. 0.98

01:37:23.260 So then when I was walking back down the freeway, his pee was in between my legs. 0.98

01:37:27.260 I got crazy chafed.

01:37:28.660 So I started walking like a crab for like five miles.

01:37:31.760 I was walking sideways.

01:37:33.320 I never hit another woman ever again.

01:37:36.440 There you go.

01:37:37.920 All right.

01:37:38.340 Armand Gupta.

01:37:39.720 Come on down. 0.94

01:37:40.440 Come up to the mic.

01:37:41.360 Where's Armand Gupta?

01:37:43.360 Sanjay's son is here. 1.00

01:37:44.680 And we're not going to give you asshole. 1.00

01:37:50.840 All right. 1.00

01:37:51.360 Come on. 1.00

01:37:52.180 That was a good story of a woman holding her own and fucking you up a little bit. 1.00

01:37:55.320 I was impressed, man. 1.00

01:37:56.360 I would have been.

01:37:57.160 I probably would have just asked you to marry me.

01:37:59.340 I mean, she didn't know.

01:38:01.500 She would have said no.

01:38:02.340 Who's talking?

01:38:03.160 To me.

01:38:03.620 Armand.

01:38:04.260 I got you. 1.00

01:38:05.120 I can't see shit with his glasses. 1.00

01:38:06.300 Armand. 1.00

01:38:06.320 You got one minute, Armand.

01:38:07.180 I have a question.

01:38:07.920 So do you think that if you had private security forces or private police forces, would those

01:38:12.680 be non-human or human as well?

01:38:14.660 We asked this already, but there we asked about cyborgs.

01:38:17.200 I'm asking.

01:38:18.140 If we asked it, let's keep going.

01:38:20.080 I think it would.

01:38:20.600 Would they be human?

01:38:21.700 I do depend on the market.

01:38:23.680 Of course the Indian guy wants to talk about AI, dude. 1.00

01:38:26.060 What is your deal?

01:38:26.980 Like this isn't a chat GBT session.

01:38:29.000 My challenge with your argument is mainly that you're saying that because humans can do

01:38:32.820 evil things, that police can do evil things.

01:38:35.640 But even in a privatized world, would not it still be humans that are doing evil things?

01:38:40.840 I think what you're referring to.

01:38:45.040 Okay.

01:38:46.300 Wait.

01:38:46.660 That's Richie Jackson saying that.

01:38:48.200 I think what you're referring to is my point being that when you become a cop, you give up

01:38:52.460 your conscience because you're there to obey the orders of sociopaths above you.

01:38:56.960 Do you think contracts should be?

01:38:59.340 Can I finish?

01:39:00.140 No.

01:39:00.520 Can he finish?

01:39:01.280 Can he finish?

01:39:02.640 No, no, no.

01:39:03.280 He said he would be unreasonable.

01:39:04.520 So just because you talk a lot, and that's okay.

01:39:07.320 But I think some of these questions can be answered a little shortly.

01:39:10.140 Do you think that contract-

01:39:10.640 I do everything shortly.

01:39:11.420 I'm 4'11".

01:39:12.300 If two people-

01:39:13.680 If two people-

01:39:15.020 My mom's also 4'11".

01:39:16.520 I am your mom.

01:39:19.180 And let me tell you, I am not proud.

01:39:21.520 I had that knitting needle up there for weeks.

01:39:25.920 If two people sign a contract, and in that contract, they sign away some of their own

01:39:32.160 agency to some other organization, would that not be the same thing as police officers

01:39:36.680 joining of the police force and signing away some of their agency?

01:39:40.080 That's a great question.

01:39:40.920 I'll answer your question.

01:39:41.700 The point is, with any contract, including the police appointment, you can walk.

01:39:47.920 As long as you're-

01:39:49.100 So?

01:39:49.900 Because as long as you're staying there and saying, I'm going to turn off my conscience

01:39:54.060 and do whatever this person tells you, right or wrong, that is something that makes you

01:39:58.020 on some level immoral.

01:39:59.520 That's actually-

01:40:00.100 But that's not true.

01:40:01.420 Let's say that what emerges in this private market system is they say, listen, we can't

01:40:06.400 sustain a business off of at-will contracts, so we require a one-year commitment to any

01:40:10.980 contract.

01:40:11.080 Sure, but any contract is going to have some kind of consequence for you to walk, right?

01:40:14.720 The military, for example, you can't really walk to go to jail.

01:40:17.380 So at a certain point, everyone who has a conscience is like, okay, go out and shoot 1.00

01:40:21.200 those kids in the head. 1.00

01:40:22.560 Fuck it. 1.00

01:40:22.900 I'll take the fine. 1.00

01:40:24.380 Dude, how many cops are going out there and just randomly shooting people in the head?

01:40:26.720 It's not random.

01:40:27.400 They're following orders to do so.

01:40:28.400 The book called Ordering-

01:40:29.040 Give me an example of us. 0.87

01:40:30.100 They're following orders to shoot somebody. 0.99

01:40:31.080 Every female cop. 0.99

01:40:32.220 Hold on, hold on.

01:40:32.860 Every female cop.

01:40:33.320 The book is called Ordinary Men, and then they're rounding-

01:40:36.120 About World War II, America.

01:40:37.440 We're in America.

01:40:38.220 It could never happen here because cops aren't human beings, right?

01:40:40.180 Well, then give me an example.

01:40:41.000 Sure.

01:40:41.300 On the point about private security potentially replacing cops, we, I think, all agreed that

01:40:47.960 there's a problem with tickets, for example, when you're driving erratically, disproportionately

01:40:53.360 affecting lower-income people.

01:40:55.700 Would a private security force not disproportionately impact lower-income people?

01:40:59.840 Because they wouldn't have the funds to hire the best security?

01:41:02.460 I'm going to answer his question earlier because I think that's much more German- and I'll

01:41:06.300 get to yours.

01:41:06.920 Thank you.

01:41:07.100 I'm going to answer your question, Bob.

01:41:08.100 Thank you.

01:41:08.140 Yes.

01:41:08.420 In America, there have not been examples of cops rounding up and killing people, thank

01:41:13.260 God, killing kids.

01:41:14.860 My point being, I don't think that the Polish mind or the German mind or any other country's 0.99

01:41:19.280 mind is that radically different from, God help us, from how American people operate, 0.81

01:41:25.020 number one.

01:41:25.680 But can you show that having a private police force would be somehow better than what we

01:41:29.700 have currently?

01:41:30.520 Because all you've done is criticize the police that we have in this country.

01:41:33.860 You haven't shown at all that a private police force would somehow be better.

01:41:38.420 Do you have an example?

01:41:39.260 Do you have any data?

01:41:39.980 What do you think would-

01:41:41.120 He did say that we were human.

01:41:43.160 So that was nice.

01:41:43.760 As I opened this entire debate, I'm not here to advocate for or change people's minds about

01:41:50.160 private police.

01:41:51.320 I'm just hoping you all understand that when you talk to the police, it is a mistake and

01:41:55.860 they are not there to help you.

01:41:57.120 They are there to hurt you.

01:41:57.940 As for a private police force, we can see this very easily in other circumstances because

01:42:02.780 you're going to have much more accountability.

01:42:05.140 It is much-

01:42:05.860 Thank you, Richard.

01:42:11.180 All right, Armand.

01:42:12.240 Thank you.

01:42:13.240 Make sure to send him all the Bobs and Vajines he can handle. 1.00

01:42:15.840 Now, next one.

01:42:17.560 Shane Wilder.

01:42:18.780 Is that it?

01:42:19.600 Shane?

01:42:20.780 I know you're out there, Shane.

01:42:22.440 Come on.

01:42:23.980 Let's go, Shane.

01:42:25.040 We're going to get this on Twitter ASAP.

01:42:27.940 All right.

01:42:30.280 There we go.

01:42:31.180 What do you got for us?

01:42:33.840 And first, I need to correct you.

01:42:35.800 It's Attorney Meme General Shane H. Wilder. 1.00

01:42:38.600 Motherfucker. 1.00

01:42:40.040 Wait. 1.00

01:42:41.100 Do you want me to come up here and kick your ass, dude? 1.00

01:42:43.060 I mean, what do you- 1.00

01:42:43.660 I mean, you can try.

01:42:46.000 Oh! 0.60

01:42:47.040 Sounds like he'll do it. 1.00

01:42:48.820 Fuck. 1.00

01:42:49.120 Okay, what do you got for us? 1.00

01:42:50.560 All right, uh-

01:42:51.140 General Shane J. Wilder. 0.99

01:42:53.280 Whatever the fuck you mean. 1.00

01:42:53.820 Where the fuck did you get to? 1.00

01:42:55.140 Meme Lord. 1.00

01:42:55.940 Whatever, dude.

01:42:56.980 King Queen.

01:42:58.020 Virgin is what you should call yourself.

01:43:00.040 How are you doing, Shane?

01:43:02.540 We can all agree that there are good and bad police, and a lot of us have seen both.

01:43:08.720 But is the answer to do away with police in favor of private security or rework the police system?

01:43:17.960 For example, make it easier to fire a cop for not doing their job, which in the end is to uphold and protect the Constitution. 0.97

01:43:29.340 Because if police are human, because if police are human, then so are private security, if some cop can be a feckless cunt, what is stopping a private security guard? 0.98

01:43:43.060 That's a great question. 0.99

01:43:44.060 That's a great question, Kermit the frog.

01:43:45.060 Thank you.

01:43:45.820 And he's right, though, though.

01:43:47.160 That's a great question.

01:43:48.280 I absolutely agree with that question.

01:43:50.240 It's a great question.

01:43:50.920 You're going to always have murderers, rapists, robbers, burglars. 1.00

01:43:56.720 Anyone who argues otherwise is talking out of his ass. 1.00

01:43:59.620 There's always going to be evil people or even crazy people. 1.00

01:44:02.200 Point is, are you going to have a system where there's accountability?

01:44:07.060 And when you have any monopoly on any product or service, the people who are delivering that product or service are not going to be held accountable.

01:44:16.460 So I would also be happy with what you said.

01:44:19.660 If they're even within the system that we have, there'll be more accountability for the cops that exist.

01:44:27.240 Okay. 0.98

01:44:27.680 Who is the retard talking like that? 1.00

01:44:29.320 Come up. 0.99

01:44:29.920 Oh, that is Richie.

01:44:31.020 Richie, you want to say something?

01:44:32.160 There's a microphone so we can hear you.

01:44:33.680 So the people that are watching this later can actually hear it instead of just.

01:44:39.300 It'll get louder, though.

01:44:43.120 All right, Richie.

01:44:43.920 Thank you.

01:44:44.420 Nobody can hear you.

01:44:45.380 We can't.

01:44:45.880 We can't hear you, Richie.

01:44:47.660 There's no microphone to pick up your audio.

01:44:49.980 So it's a waste of time.

01:44:51.500 Okay, now.

01:44:52.580 All right, Shane.

01:44:53.300 Thank you.

01:44:53.760 Rick Hodgson.

01:44:54.580 Is Rick Hodgson here?

01:44:56.680 Rick.

01:44:57.060 Is Rick here?

01:44:58.840 All right, Rick. 1.00

01:44:59.460 I see his ass right there. 1.00

01:45:01.420 Real cute. 0.99

01:45:02.140 He's not here.

01:45:02.920 There's a lot of Richards in this room.

01:45:04.380 I can feel it. 0.98

01:45:04.960 There's a lot of dicks and Ricks. 0.99

01:45:06.740 All right, Rick. 0.98

01:45:07.260 What do you got for us?

01:45:09.800 What do I say?

01:45:10.520 Happy 19th anniversary to my wife, Kate.

01:45:12.700 Hell, yeah.

01:45:13.500 Hey.

01:45:13.800 And I kind of think the discussion of there not being a whole lot of humans in the police

01:45:24.340 force coming up here pretty soon is something that we need to start thinking about.

01:45:29.360 What?

01:45:29.980 He needs robots. 0.99

01:45:30.500 Dude, if those robots are like those Postmate on wheel things, I will fuck that cop up, 1.00

01:45:35.000 son. 1.00

01:45:36.280 You said that about the lady cop. 0.99

01:45:37.880 That's not what happened.

01:45:39.320 I'm thinking more. 1.00

01:45:40.140 Fuck you, man. 1.00

01:45:41.620 Robocop. 1.00

01:45:42.140 I'll start a scooter gang with you any day. 1.00

01:45:45.480 Man, you really are gay, huh? 1.00

01:45:46.920 Yeah, I see you. 1.00

01:45:47.820 All right.

01:45:48.320 All right.

01:45:48.600 Go sit down.

01:45:49.140 Let's try to get through some names.

01:45:50.120 We only got 10 minutes left.

01:45:50.920 Caleb Wright.

01:45:51.700 Caleb Wright.

01:45:52.320 Come on down. 0.94

01:45:52.920 Where's Caleb Wright?

01:45:54.360 You here? 0.89

01:45:55.160 Why are scooters gay? 1.00

01:45:56.700 You can see the cops on those two-wheeler things. 0.99

01:45:58.960 That was gay. 1.00

01:46:00.380 Wait, there was cops on two-wheeler things? 0.94

01:46:02.300 Segways.

01:46:02.900 Segways.

01:46:03.320 You ever see the cops on Segways?

01:46:04.500 I was in the movie Paul Mocop.

01:46:06.520 I'm aware.

01:46:07.620 Subtle Flex.

01:46:08.240 Oh, that's right.

01:46:08.720 Oh, wow.

01:46:09.280 That's so cool.

01:46:09.900 Yeah. 0.99

01:46:12.960 That's my fucking claim to fame now, I just realized. 0.99

01:46:15.560 That's awesome. 0.99

01:46:17.020 All right.

01:46:17.600 What do you got for us, Caleb?

01:46:19.540 So my main thing is about to Michael Malice on you are completely against cops.

01:46:27.280 No.

01:46:27.540 Correct?

01:46:27.820 He just thinks that we're human and that we'll fail and therefore we should go away.

01:46:32.560 And they'll enforce, you know, whatever order they're told, even if it's immoral.

01:46:35.960 Unlike a robot who won't do exactly what it's programmed.

01:46:38.800 It's amazing how freely you are putting words in my mouth.

01:46:41.820 And again, I don't care about this debate, but keep this in mind if you're ever talking to a cop or faced with a crime.

01:46:47.980 That's all I want you all to take away from tonight.

01:46:50.300 Go ahead.

01:46:50.640 But just as cops are still human, humans are also cops.

01:46:56.200 These are people who have gone through trainings and those trainings haven't been updated and that they should be updated for increased responsibilities and increased actions for their authorities.

01:47:07.740 What makes you say the trainings haven't been updated?

01:47:10.300 That's a really good point.

01:47:11.980 I don't think that's true.

01:47:12.920 You said they have been.

01:47:13.720 You said they haven't been.

01:47:14.680 They haven't been.

01:47:14.940 Well, if they have been updated, they're not doing the training.

01:47:17.300 They're not doing the trainings properly.

01:47:19.100 I think they are doing good.

01:47:20.100 Honestly, I think they're – I'm going to take the cop side in this one.

01:47:22.420 If you watch the police body cam footage, a lot of times, even though in any other situation they'd be knocking the person out, they're de-escalating, and they're talking to someone who's complete trash and being like, sir, sir, sir.

01:47:31.900 You see it.

01:47:32.420 I want to address this to Rich.

01:47:34.660 And when that guy – there was a guy who went to Midtown Manhattan and shot up his office place.

01:47:40.560 When he came downstairs, NYC cops started shooting wildly at him, and they missed and hit seven bystanders.

01:47:47.480 And the story that emerged was that the officers in New York were getting the bare minimum training because the city had decided if the cost of lawsuits are lower than the cost of training, they would prefer the lawsuits instead.

01:48:00.040 All right.

01:48:00.360 So I'll give you some real talk here about police range shootings because I was a range officer for my department.

01:48:07.160 So, one, NYPD has different Glock setups than everybody else.

01:48:11.520 They have a 10-plus-pound trigger addition.

01:48:14.080 So normally a Glock is like seven to five-pound trigger pull.

01:48:16.820 They have one so it adds an additional five pounds.

01:48:19.380 If you do that to somebody, which most cops are, someone that gets one day of training that shoots their – whatever it is, qualification for their department, that's not training.

01:48:31.240 That's just qualification.

01:48:32.720 So you get officers that don't train that only do qualification.

01:48:35.800 Now they have a heavier trigger squeeze.

01:48:37.960 And for everybody that knows anything about guns, the heavier a trigger squeeze is on a pistol, the firmer you have to grip it, right?

01:48:44.600 So you've got – you're sitting there pulling back 10, 15 pounds, and you've got a weak wrist and low or no training other than qualification.

01:48:52.100 You're either going to push the pistol to the left or pull it to the right.

01:48:55.800 If you've had one day of training, it doesn't matter what kind of gun you've got, you're not going to hit the shot with a handgun.

01:49:00.240 Correct.

01:49:00.620 You've got to be close.

01:49:01.340 You've got to practice.

01:49:01.920 Yeah.

01:49:02.060 You've got to be close.

01:49:03.660 So what a lot of – not a lot of – NYC used to be the pinnacle of police training.

01:49:11.820 Every department would look at them because they're the largest city in the states, and they've got the largest department, like 40,000 or 70,000 officers.

01:49:18.160 And they would say, what are they doing right, and let's do it.

01:49:20.720 And one of the things that they see from New York State or New York City and what they're doing wrong is the additional pound on the trigger.

01:49:27.280 Is there fear, I would say, or a logical fear of training on a firearm because they don't want them to use it?

01:49:34.080 It's almost like an intentional neglect on firearm training.

01:49:37.420 So then the officers aren't good at using it.

01:49:39.800 Therefore, they're fearful of using it.

01:49:42.060 So now they don't use it.

01:49:43.920 And then what happens?

01:49:45.280 People that actually need lethal force are either hurt in the crossfire, are either not being protected and lose their lives because the individual that's attacking them is not being stopped appropriately.

01:49:55.220 And you can go down the list from there.

01:49:56.660 Wow.

01:49:56.860 Private police must be the answer, I guess.

01:49:59.080 I don't know.

01:50:00.060 Matt Parker, we only got enough time for about one or two more people.

01:50:03.260 So Matt Parker, come on down.

01:50:04.340 Honestly, the answer would have been gun proliferation in that building.

01:50:06.500 If there are more people in that building who had guns, or Duvalde and these other places.

01:50:09.980 In Duvalde, the parents were ready to go in there and save their kids, and the cops held them back.

01:50:13.680 Do you think, real quick though, do you think there should be, if we allow for guns in places like New York, should they require bullets to be frangible or something like that?

01:50:21.220 What do you mean by frangible? 0.97

01:50:22.400 Frangibles, frangible bullets are fucking something weird. 0.98

01:50:27.060 They would break instead of overpenetrating. 0.99

01:50:29.320 Oh, you know, like a less deadly bullet.

01:50:30.860 No, no, no, no, no.

01:50:31.660 They would shatter and hit the wall instead of going through and going into another room.

01:50:35.240 I'm not qualified to answer that question.

01:50:37.860 All right, what do you got for us?

01:50:39.620 I think this might be our last speaker.

01:50:41.640 So what do you got for us?

01:50:42.440 Make it something good.

01:50:43.360 And guys, thank you to everybody that came up here, and thank you guys for coming out here tonight.

01:50:47.920 Seriously.

01:50:49.220 I know Tim appreciates it.

01:50:51.820 And a big shout out to the club that, you know, they got it accidentally canceled, but then they brought it back.

01:50:57.080 So we love the DC Comedy Live.

01:50:58.660 It was just a misunderstanding.

01:51:00.300 But what do you got for us?

01:51:02.220 My question, I guess, would be for Michael.

01:51:03.860 So how would you, in the instance of having all these private security in place of police, how would you handle a large, like, organized crime?

01:51:15.600 I can't hear you.

01:51:15.920 I'm sorry.

01:51:16.320 I can't hear you.

01:51:16.620 It's not over yet, guys. 1.00

01:51:17.880 Shut the fuck up in the back. 1.00

01:51:19.400 Just for five more minutes. 1.00

01:51:20.900 Thank you.

01:51:23.360 All right.

01:51:23.680 So how would I handle organized crime, right?

01:51:26.900 How would that address large organized crime?

01:51:28.720 Yeah, so one of the big issues that organized crime starts to begin with is black markets, right?

01:51:34.500 We saw this very quickly in America.

01:51:36.520 What happened with the rise of the mafia was prohibition.

01:51:39.620 And after a while, they started shooting enough cops that the cops were like, I'm not enforcing this law, and they repealed the law.

01:51:44.540 So if you have things like increased – you see some numbers in Colorado, right?

01:51:49.060 If you have this kind of gang take over department building and you have a community where everyone's armed, everyone has this sense of community, very quickly, it's going to have to be – someone's going to have to be violent at some point.

01:51:58.240 Right now, it's just kind of the cops are going to come in.

01:52:00.820 Otherwise, it would be much harder to come in to begin with.

01:52:04.100 But there's no – anyone who tells you there's an easy answer when you have a large population with weapons who are intent and doing you harm, there's no one sense to answer this in any situation.

01:52:14.300 So if somebody has to go in there and they have to be violent, wouldn't you prefer to be a police officer that's held liable by the community instead of a bunch of individuals that can do it without any sort of use of force training?

01:52:24.660 One day of gun training?

01:52:26.320 No.

01:52:26.540 I – where I disagree with you is I don't think cops are ever held liable or else all those cops who killed all those dogs would be rotting in jail right now.

01:52:38.020 All right, guys, that has been The Culture War Live!

01:52:42.360 Now, Amber Duke, starting with you, everybody, you know, shout out where people can find you to support you.

01:52:47.700 I saved this event.

01:52:49.720 People don't know.

01:52:51.080 She wrote about it.

01:52:52.500 She covered the story.

01:52:53.420 Where can they find you?

01:52:54.180 They can find me at dailycollar.com or on X at AmberMarieDuke.

01:52:58.060 Thanks, guys.

01:53:00.860 I'm Rich High.

01:53:01.760 You can find me on Angry Cops on Twitter and YouTube and all the other stuff.

01:53:04.840 And also, I'm Michael's partner.

01:53:08.360 And I'm Primetime Alex Stein.

01:53:10.200 And you know what I'm about.

01:53:11.280 I'm about saving big booty Latinas. 1.00

01:53:13.720 We love big booty Latinas! 1.00

01:53:16.160 Big booty Latinas! 1.00

01:53:17.180 All right.

01:53:21.140 You don't want to say anything?

01:53:21.860 I'll go last.

01:53:22.500 Michael Malice, I just want to remind you all that there's only two kinds of cops.

01:53:26.220 The bad cops and the ones who've been spoiled by the bad cops.

01:53:28.900 They said that earlier.

01:53:33.780 Jesus.

01:53:36.540 TheJasonAlice.com for two-a-days.

01:53:38.260 I got The Jason Ellis Show.

01:53:39.500 It's a podcast.

01:53:40.280 It's a Patreon.

01:53:40.940 Patreon.com slash Hellismate.

01:53:43.040 And at Wolfmate on Instagram.

01:53:44.900 Thank you.

01:53:46.660 I would yell, but I'm losing my voice, so I can't pull on Alex Stein.

01:53:49.460 But I want to thank everybody for coming.

01:53:51.180 This has been amazing.

01:53:51.980 Sold-out show.

01:53:52.940 We've got another one coming next week.

01:53:54.240 Hope to see you there.

01:53:55.180 Of course, you can follow me on X on Instagram at TimCast.

01:53:57.560 Shout-out to the crew that produced all this, made it all possible.

01:54:01.560 Thank you, guys.

01:54:01.940 All these amazing cameras.

01:54:03.860 And we hope to do a lot more because it's a lot of fun.

01:54:07.680 And I hope it was fun and funny for all of you guys.

01:54:09.460 So thanks so much for hanging out.

01:54:10.540 We'll see you all next time.

01:54:11.160 Thank you.

01:54:12.160 Thank you.

01:54:12.280 Thank you.

01:54:27.560 Thank you.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 08, 2025

The Great Police DEBATE w⧸ Michael Malice, Jason Ellis, Angry Cops, & Alex Stein

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 08, 2025

The Great Police DEBATE w⧸ Michael Malice, Jason Ellis, Angry Cops, &#x26; Alex Stein

Episode Stats

Summary

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The Great Police DEBATE w⧸ Michael Malice, Jason Ellis, Angry Cops, & Alex Stein