The Culture War - Tim Pool - The WOKE TAKEOVER of Psychology & Medicine w⧸ Dr. Drew, Dr. Chloe Carmichael, Naomi Best

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00:02:03.480 You know, over the past several years,

00:02:08.300 there have been many instances in medicine,

00:02:10.860 of which I'm sure you all know exactly what I'm talking about,

00:02:13.740 where people felt that there was narrative control,

00:02:16.360 there was anti-scientific behavior going on,

00:02:19.680 people were getting bad advice from doctors,

00:02:21.700 it was some kind of weird woke takeover, in essence.

00:02:26.720 Now, I use woke to mean cult-like adherence to liberal social orthodoxy,

00:02:30.940 so it's not like they were going to people and saying,

00:02:33.460 you got a cold, you should be gay, or anything like that,

00:02:35.680 but there certainly was elements of that in some medicine,

00:02:38.200 especially with the gender ideology stuff.

00:02:39.680 Now, there's a lot to break down in the manipulation,

00:02:45.080 the corruption of medicine today,

00:02:47.400 so we've got a great panel that will be talking about all of this.

00:02:50.620 Chloe, would you like to go first?

00:02:51.680 Yeah, sure.

00:02:52.380 I'm Chloe Carmichael.

00:02:53.740 I'm a clinical psychologist,

00:02:55.220 and I have a new book about the mental health benefits of free speech

00:02:59.700 for this exact reason that even during graduate school,

00:03:03.240 I felt like I had to keep everything inside.

00:03:06.160 I wasn't allowed to, like, ask questions about certain sacred cow topics,

00:03:11.180 and so finally during COVID, it was like a switch flipped,

00:03:14.380 and I started saying what I really thought,

00:03:16.600 and that's what got me interested in the mental health benefits of free speech.

00:03:20.340 Right on.

00:03:20.840 We also have Naomi Best.

00:03:22.380 Hi, I'm Naomi.

00:03:24.300 You can find me Naomi Epps Best on X and Substack.

00:03:27.440 I am a dissident therapy student.

00:03:29.260 I blew the whistle in Wall Street Journal

00:03:31.240 about some crazy education on sexuality at Santa Clara University Catholic School.

00:03:38.240 So, yeah, it's been a whirlwind,

00:03:40.340 but just here to talk about the woke critical theory takeover in therapy education

00:03:44.840 and the impact it's having on the field.

00:03:46.860 And a man who needs no introduction, Dr. Drew.

00:03:49.200 Good to see you, Tim.

00:03:50.000 Dr. Upinski, I've practiced medicine for years,

00:03:52.280 worked in a psychiatric hospital for 30 years,

00:03:54.740 and I've decided, Tim, my new sort of title is time traveler.

00:03:58.960 I'm a time traveler.

00:04:00.760 I have been practicing medicine for so many years,

00:04:02.960 particularly on the mental health side.

00:04:04.380 I've seen every crappy idea come and go,

00:04:08.260 and come back and then go,

00:04:10.040 and I have some experience as a result.

00:04:12.500 But my wife will kill me if I don't say,

00:04:14.420 please check out Ask Dr. Drew.

00:04:15.600 She produces that show.

00:04:16.800 It's a streaming show on Rumble,

00:04:18.280 so check it out over there,

00:04:19.660 and YouTube and wherever you get it,

00:04:21.460 Dr. Drew.TV.

00:04:22.340 We interview, we started because of,

00:04:25.720 you called yourself a dissident, student dissident?

00:04:27.980 I would say.

00:04:28.540 You look like a dissident.

00:04:29.520 I'm also a dissident.

00:04:30.420 Thank you.

00:04:30.740 Thank you.

00:04:31.020 It's a new version of dissidents.

00:04:32.380 And we started our streaming show

00:04:35.180 in response to the craziness

00:04:36.440 and the mass formation around COVID,

00:04:38.120 and so been doing it ever since.

00:04:39.860 That's the best way to put it, I guess,

00:04:41.780 the mass formation psychosis.

00:04:43.280 Yeah.

00:04:43.420 But it's also like there's some weird cult-like takeover,

00:04:48.900 anti-scientific, rigid, in medicine, psychology, etc.

00:04:53.800 So why don't we do this?

00:04:55.240 You blew the whistle.

00:04:56.080 This is like the big story in the forefront,

00:04:57.700 and it's kind of gross.

00:04:59.200 It's gross.

00:04:59.920 But let's talk about it and start there.

00:05:01.980 What happened and what'd you blow the whistle on?

00:05:04.100 Yeah.

00:05:04.420 So I'm in my final year

00:05:06.240 of a marriage and family therapy training program,

00:05:08.640 and one of the final classes I had to take

00:05:10.700 is called human sexuality.

00:05:12.540 Great.

00:05:12.840 It's a requirement in California

00:05:14.140 to have some education on that.

00:05:15.920 But I first enrolled in this course last summer,

00:05:19.020 and I found sadomasochistic erotica

00:05:22.080 in the required reading

00:05:23.440 describing a woman being punished with gang sex

00:05:28.700 for taking off her collar.

00:05:30.180 Her husband was upset by that.

00:05:32.300 So there was that.

00:05:33.380 There was just straight-up pornography

00:05:35.200 that we were to view in class,

00:05:38.440 a pornographic illustration guide,

00:05:40.440 all sorts of sex acts

00:05:41.500 with however many number of people,

00:05:43.660 and a sheep at one point, I will mention.

00:05:46.860 Wait, what?

00:05:48.220 Yeah.

00:05:48.820 So there was a picture of bestiality.

00:05:51.820 You're a little excited.

00:05:53.060 Are you tight, dude?

00:05:54.420 It was a man having sex with a sheep.

00:05:56.020 I guess I am.

00:05:57.200 If that's where pride went,

00:06:01.880 I am the most shameful person.

00:06:04.360 Yeah, it's pretty shameful what was in there,

00:06:06.440 but the real kicker was

00:06:07.940 the comprehensive sexual autobiography final.

00:06:11.800 I was prompted to write,

00:06:13.740 well, chronicle my sexual past and present.

00:06:16.260 When did you start masturbating?

00:06:17.980 What are key moments in your sexual history?

00:06:21.560 What are your erotic goals?

00:06:23.440 And how will you achieve them?

00:06:25.380 Like an action plan or something in this final.

00:06:27.940 And then ultimately,

00:06:29.940 how is your sex life going to affect your clinical practice?

00:06:34.120 So I'm reading this going,

00:06:35.940 what the heck are they teaching?

00:06:37.780 And I don't want to do a sexual autobiography.

00:06:41.120 That's ridiculous.

00:06:41.760 So I try to get an accommodation for literally a year.

00:06:45.600 I go to the professor, the chair, the dean, the provost,

00:06:50.440 Title IX, alleged sexual harassment.

00:06:52.680 I was showing the priest at my university,

00:06:57.220 director of campus ministry, pornography.

00:06:59.540 And all he did was offer me prayer.

00:07:01.920 Really, really nice.

00:07:03.060 Thank you, Father.

00:07:04.740 But yeah, I was just denied at every turn.

00:07:06.980 And eventually I dropped that class

00:07:09.100 because I was put into a breakout group with a man

00:07:12.420 and prompted to discuss my masturbation.

00:07:14.660 And I said, I'm a married woman.

00:07:17.020 This is disgusting.

00:07:18.360 I'm not doing this.

00:07:20.940 Yeah.

00:07:21.300 So, but again, it's required.

00:07:23.000 So I had to re-enroll in the same course.

00:07:25.760 And I requested the accommodation

00:07:28.460 that Muslim students were given

00:07:30.700 to take the course remotely.

00:07:32.560 So I asked the professor,

00:07:34.080 hey, Muslim students got this accommodation.

00:07:35.820 I would like the same one based off my Christian beliefs.

00:07:38.460 And he said, why don't we have a Zoom meeting

00:07:40.780 to talk about it?

00:07:42.240 In the Zoom meeting, he promised me professionalism.

00:07:45.160 He promised me no required sexual disclosure.

00:07:47.980 And several weeks later, I'm sitting in class

00:07:50.460 being asked to write something down

00:07:52.440 that I dislike about my genitals

00:07:54.120 to be read aloud to the class.

00:07:57.360 So that was a false promise.

00:07:59.560 And I tried to keep my head down.

00:08:02.960 I really did.

00:08:03.620 But my final straw was a sex dungeon tour

00:08:07.180 in which a woman was flogged, beaten, gagged,

00:08:12.620 wrapped in plastic, just the whole, put in a guillotine.

00:08:15.980 And the professor ends the video and says,

00:08:18.780 so who wants to try it?

00:08:21.040 I walked out.

00:08:22.300 I wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal

00:08:23.780 and they ran it.

00:08:24.620 Was it, what was the gender breakdown of the class?

00:08:27.940 It's like 20,

00:08:29.080 it was probably like 18 men and four women.

00:08:32.000 I mean, no, no, sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:08:33.520 Opposite, opposite.

00:08:34.380 18 women.

00:08:34.900 18 women and four men.

00:08:36.440 Yeah, so when he says most psychology

00:08:38.380 and mental health programs skew very, very heavily.

00:08:41.100 Yes.

00:08:41.480 Were the professors dudes?

00:08:44.140 The professor was a dude

00:08:45.380 who shared his own interest in kink.

00:08:47.800 Is this just like a guy

00:08:49.140 who's trying to groom young women for?

00:08:50.620 That's sure what it felt like.

00:08:52.760 Using his position of power, no less.

00:08:55.040 He's like a position of power

00:08:56.500 and he has the power of grades.

00:08:58.960 And I mean, also as a student,

00:09:01.380 I've been in situations too as a student

00:09:04.260 and it's like you come in there genuinely saying,

00:09:07.260 okay, dear professor, you know, you know more than me.

00:09:10.340 I'm going to defer to you.

00:09:11.580 Like maybe something feels weird to me,

00:09:13.480 but who am I to object?

00:09:15.140 But I'm so glad that you found your,

00:09:17.440 you said you drew the line.

00:09:18.820 I mean, good for you.

00:09:20.100 Yeah, I mean, it's clearly an abuse of power.

00:09:22.580 And this dude, this professor,

00:09:24.980 openly talked about his kink proclivities

00:09:27.700 and was talking with another student,

00:09:29.660 like a side conversation in front of everybody

00:09:31.640 about going to the Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco.

00:09:35.380 Do you know what that is?

00:09:36.780 Essentially, a bunch of men get together in leather

00:09:39.120 and walk each other around on leashes.

00:09:41.220 But there was also that thing in San Fran

00:09:43.000 where the guys were giving each other oral sex

00:09:44.920 in public in front of everybody.

00:09:46.160 Yeah, that's one of them.

00:09:46.960 In fact, on their website,

00:09:48.240 they say that they have a three strikes rule

00:09:50.100 for having sex in public.

00:09:51.540 So you can have two blowjobs

00:09:53.540 before the third one,

00:09:54.860 they'll kick you out and cite you.

00:09:55.960 I think we should invade California.

00:09:59.340 Is that a yes, Dr. Drew?

00:10:00.860 Oh, hell yeah.

00:10:01.720 That's an enthusiasm.

00:10:02.860 You're looking at me like,

00:10:04.060 give me a small number.

00:10:04.440 I'll lead the truth.

00:10:05.160 Everybody else is invading California.

00:10:06.620 Save us.

00:10:07.500 Why not?

00:10:08.340 Well, I guess technically Trump is,

00:10:09.920 those ICE raids that are going on,

00:10:12.300 but that's a whole other story.

00:10:13.360 There's a whole,

00:10:14.040 I didn't expect him to do that story today,

00:10:15.620 but yeah, living in California is a nightmare.

00:10:18.080 But I want to say something.

00:10:19.140 I had to apologize to Naomi at breakfast this morning

00:10:20.940 because I, as a time traveler,

00:10:23.700 I was in the early 80s,

00:10:26.160 I got involved in the radio

00:10:27.420 because there was this thing

00:10:29.020 that we just stopped calling grids

00:10:30.460 and started calling AIDS.

00:10:32.120 And there was so much still residual

00:10:35.400 puritanism, I guess I'd call it,

00:10:38.860 around sexuality.

00:10:39.560 You were not allowed to talk to young people

00:10:41.100 about this thing.

00:10:41.760 And the prevailing attitude at the time

00:10:43.780 was, well, why would young people

00:10:44.780 need to know about that?

00:10:45.780 Don't even talk to them about it.

00:10:47.080 And I thought, this is crazy.

00:10:48.340 I got to get out and talk about it.

00:10:49.620 This is dangerous.

00:10:50.560 And we were also trying to demystify

00:10:53.060 the biology of sexuality.

00:10:54.780 That was the whole goal,

00:10:55.880 that there's STDs and there's function

00:10:57.740 and there's reproductive health.

00:10:59.080 And you should understand, it's simple.

00:11:00.480 You should understand it.

00:11:01.460 I did not intend this.

00:11:03.400 I did not intend anything like this.

00:11:05.020 And we were in this world right now.

00:11:06.160 What you need to know is this sex-positive group

00:11:10.700 took over sexual health,

00:11:13.120 where you are not allowed to say anything anywhere

00:11:16.140 about anybody's sexuality

00:11:17.800 that has any negativity associated with it ever.

00:11:20.640 And so the whole field,

00:11:21.900 and particularly where I run amok with it,

00:11:24.140 is in sexual addictions,

00:11:25.380 which I have to deal with all the time.

00:11:26.880 And they are serious.

00:11:28.340 And you can't, how dare you even say that?

00:11:31.640 So it's bad.

00:11:32.660 It hurts people.

00:11:33.400 You have to affirm people's self-harm.

00:11:35.320 At all times, in all situations.

00:11:37.480 It was actually with AIDS and HIV

00:11:40.060 that I kind of ran into one of my first hard bumps,

00:11:43.900 like in my psychology training too.

00:11:47.100 So we were in, you know,

00:11:48.720 like a cross-cultural breakout discussion

00:11:51.280 and talking about how the U.S. is supplying,

00:11:55.980 or at the time was,

00:11:56.840 I don't know what's going on.

00:11:57.680 This is a decade ago,

00:11:58.840 but supplying medicine to pregnant women in Africa

00:12:02.980 that had HIV to prevent them

00:12:04.900 from passing HIV onto their baby,

00:12:07.160 which is great.

00:12:08.360 But then I guess that the discussion was around the fact

00:12:11.780 that at the time,

00:12:13.300 the technology was such that once the women gave birth,

00:12:16.320 if they chose to breastfeed,

00:12:18.520 they were still going to be passing HIV to their baby.

00:12:21.280 And we were spending a lot of money on this medication.

00:12:25.160 And I just made this passing comment.

00:12:27.120 I was like, hmm,

00:12:28.200 I wonder if we should consider telling them,

00:12:30.660 since the medication is limited,

00:12:32.300 that maybe they're only eligible

00:12:34.420 if they're going to practice a hygiene

00:12:37.840 once they have the baby.

00:12:39.860 And this colleague student,

00:12:42.180 she looks at me and she goes,

00:12:43.860 careful, Chloe.

00:12:45.560 And there was like this edge in her voice.

00:12:47.460 And I said, careful of what?

00:12:50.840 And then the professor was like,

00:12:52.820 okay, ladies, let's move it on, you know?

00:12:55.080 And it was just,

00:12:56.040 it was my first time really bumping up

00:12:58.380 against realizing what was unsayable, you know?

00:13:02.560 Like it was,

00:13:03.460 and then I kept running into it.

00:13:05.420 But I mean, yeah, you're right though.

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00:14:30.980 Sex positive movement that just,

00:14:33.840 it's one thing to encourage people

00:14:36.240 to do what they want to do.

00:14:37.740 Yes.

00:14:38.200 But when we start running into stuff

00:14:39.580 that's unsayable,

00:14:41.180 ironically, that's when mental health

00:14:42.900 actually, I think, suffers.

00:14:44.060 Well, you've written about free speech

00:14:45.440 and the importance of that.

00:14:46.260 I mean, I've become a free speech literalist

00:14:48.360 late in my life.

00:14:49.780 I'm a freedom fighter for free speech,

00:14:51.560 and Chloe put a little pin in this

00:14:53.340 on the mental health side for me.

00:14:54.900 Yeah, because, so my book,

00:14:56.940 Can I Say That?

00:14:57.860 Why Free Speech Matters

00:14:59.040 and How to Use It Fearlessly,

00:15:00.160 which, by the way, I got dropped

00:15:01.440 even from my agent,

00:15:03.040 and my big publisher wouldn't touch it.

00:15:05.580 So shout out to Sky Horse Publishing,

00:15:07.640 RFKJ's publisher.

00:15:08.880 They took it on.

00:15:10.380 But so one of the things I talk about in the book

00:15:12.540 is that psychologists are normally

00:15:14.300 the first to say,

00:15:15.780 okay, repression, suppression, denial,

00:15:17.920 we don't want those things.

00:15:19.340 Like, let's put our feelings into words.

00:15:21.080 Let's talk things through.

00:15:22.840 But yet, psychologists are also really

00:15:25.860 seemingly against free speech.

00:15:28.840 And so I did a little research.

00:15:30.120 They're against bias,

00:15:31.340 so they're mandating bias.

00:15:32.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:33.460 That's literally what's happening.

00:15:34.720 It's intolerance in the name of tolerance.

00:15:36.980 Same paradigm.

00:15:38.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:39.420 I mean, but what's interesting, too,

00:15:40.820 is, like, there's this major groupthink factor

00:15:43.860 that's going on.

00:15:45.140 So the faculty ratio in psychology departments,

00:15:49.240 and this is truly nothing against anyone

00:15:51.900 on either side of the political aisle,

00:15:53.960 because what I want is a diversity of thought.

00:15:56.720 But the psychology department faculty ratio,

00:15:59.860 Republican-Democrat, is about 1 to 20.

00:16:03.560 Chloe, why would you want a diversity of thought

00:16:05.320 with Nazi, horrible, criminal, awful people?

00:16:08.400 So you can persuade them.

00:16:10.320 That's what I talk about.

00:16:11.280 Tim, why would you defend that?

00:16:12.760 Yeah, I mean, we have to have dialogue.

00:16:14.960 Like, even the worst ideas, that's how we bring ideas to light.

00:16:19.280 You know, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

00:16:21.160 Of course, of course.

00:16:21.440 Well, in this area, it's just not permissible.

00:16:26.260 Even going on your podcast,

00:16:28.580 I have been told that I am sitting with people

00:16:30.960 who don't want other people to exist.

00:16:33.720 And I, so, yeah.

00:16:36.720 When I, I got pulled into a struggle session at my job

00:16:42.780 after I blew the whistle,

00:16:44.120 and people were telling me that even sitting in my presence

00:16:47.240 was unsafe and dangerous.

00:16:49.420 Because they're psychotic.

00:16:50.720 Well, and they're therapists.

00:16:52.240 That's the scary part.

00:16:53.460 These are people who think that they are psychological betters

00:16:56.960 and can tell other people, you know,

00:17:00.000 how to live their life and give them advice.

00:17:02.380 And there is a move now from the psychologist

00:17:05.420 and the therapist not to be the neutral observer,

00:17:08.320 facilitator of self-reflection and discovery,

00:17:10.720 but actually as an activist.

00:17:12.740 And that is from the top down.

00:17:14.020 That is disastrous.

00:17:15.560 It's like the zombification.

00:17:18.200 It's crazy because it's a similar function in all fields.

00:17:22.340 Yeah.

00:17:22.520 You know, what you describe in medicine and therapy

00:17:25.640 and all of that is struggle sessions

00:17:28.100 where they tell you it's dangerous, it's unsafe,

00:17:32.340 it's the same language.

00:17:34.480 What is this?

00:17:35.880 Like, what is this brain rot cult?

00:17:37.720 It is truly a brain rot.

00:17:39.780 Because I think what Naomi's referring to,

00:17:42.680 at least I've certainly heard many times,

00:17:44.220 is like if you say, for example,

00:17:46.600 a man cannot become a woman,

00:17:48.400 then you're threatening the, quote,

00:17:50.720 existence of trans people.

00:17:52.580 And in normal psychology world,

00:17:56.740 you would not want to collude

00:17:58.800 with what we call a maladaptive idea.

00:18:01.220 Or if a trans person says,

00:18:03.240 if you don't acknowledge me as the sex I prefer to be,

00:18:05.680 then I might commit suicide.

00:18:07.680 In a normal, healthy world of psychology,

00:18:11.320 you would never accommodate that.

00:18:13.440 You'd 50-150 them.

00:18:14.460 You wouldn't want to reinforce the negative idea

00:18:17.640 that they should kill themselves

00:18:20.260 if they don't get their way.

00:18:21.660 You wouldn't want to reinforce the negative idea

00:18:24.500 that they're actually not a male or not a female.

00:18:27.420 You would want to, with compassion,

00:18:29.240 help them come to terms with it.

00:18:31.440 But now what psychology is doing

00:18:33.120 is not only colluding with the illness,

00:18:36.060 but it's pathologizing people

00:18:38.480 that want to come forward and say like,

00:18:40.740 well, can we just acknowledge reality?

00:18:42.820 We call it reality testing.

00:18:44.020 And this is what you're talking about,

00:18:45.560 the brain rot side of this,

00:18:47.240 is we now know it's axiomatic in psychiatry,

00:18:51.660 particularly that exposure therapy

00:18:54.480 is extremely important to mental health.

00:18:57.420 It builds resiliency.

00:18:58.460 It builds self-efficacy and competency.

00:19:00.940 Listen, when I was in training,

00:19:02.700 I had to lean into horrible situations all the time

00:19:05.100 in order to develop my competency.

00:19:06.920 If I had stood back and went,

00:19:09.400 oh, this is unacceptable.

00:19:10.400 I'm scared.

00:19:10.980 This is threatening to me.

00:19:11.920 I couldn't even do my training.

00:19:14.220 I would be a horrible physician.

00:19:15.780 Leaning in to the things that make us uncomfortable

00:19:18.560 is how you create mental health and resiliency.

00:19:23.080 So let me ask you guys,

00:19:24.100 let me ask you a question.

00:19:25.900 20 years ago, or in the 90s,

00:19:28.140 if someone went to therapy

00:19:29.940 and threatened to kill themselves

00:19:31.580 over something like,

00:19:34.660 you know, like just any reason,

00:19:36.020 like I'm so upset over this thing that I want

00:19:38.000 that they threatened to do it,

00:19:39.760 what is the appropriate medical response

00:19:41.520 to someone who threatens suicide?

00:19:42.960 Everyone's looking at me.

00:19:43.780 So let me tell you,

00:19:44.520 in the 90s, what would have happened?

00:19:47.380 They would, you, first of all, you'd go,

00:19:49.480 do you have a plan?

00:19:50.740 And if the plan is yes, come with me.

00:19:53.600 We're going to have to do something with this.

00:19:55.460 In California, presently,

00:19:58.020 you would say, do you have a plan?

00:19:59.820 And you'd have to keep asking them every 10 minutes.

00:20:02.580 Do you still feel like that?

00:20:03.680 Do you have a plan?

00:20:04.380 That even if you have firearms at home,

00:20:06.880 or if you live on the street,

00:20:09.380 provided that you can pay and handle for food

00:20:12.140 and you have a tent,

00:20:13.560 if you say, oh, I was just kidding,

00:20:16.020 you must let go immediately.

00:20:17.260 I can tell you in therapy training,

00:20:19.740 I've received, I'm at the end of my program,

00:20:22.020 I've received almost zero guidance

00:20:24.020 on when to 5150 somebody.

00:20:26.540 We are to affirm the feelings primarily.

00:20:30.040 And like you're saying,

00:20:32.680 it has to be like gun to the head

00:20:34.920 or gun to somebody else before-

00:20:37.280 And continue to be that.

00:20:38.380 Yes, and continue before we can do that

00:20:41.360 without putting ourselves in a position of power over them.

00:20:44.260 Because our primary-

00:20:45.240 Is that what the worry is?

00:20:46.140 Yes.

00:20:47.040 Yes, because we have to-

00:20:48.540 We're in denial that brains get sick.

00:20:50.740 We are totally in denial about that,

00:20:52.240 except dementia.

00:20:53.300 If you don't treat dementia patients,

00:20:54.900 you're guilty of patient abuse.

00:20:56.520 So if a patient is psychotic and disorganized

00:20:58.340 and walking around the street without their clothes on

00:20:59.920 from dementia, and you do nothing,

00:21:02.080 you are going to jail.

00:21:03.200 If you touch that person with schizophrenia

00:21:05.020 or bipolar with the same symptoms or meth addiction,

00:21:08.080 you're going to go to jail.

00:21:09.320 And there's also just a wholesale denial

00:21:10.960 that severe psychopathology exists

00:21:13.200 in the marriage and family training program.

00:21:15.180 Brain disease doesn't exist.

00:21:16.660 Brains don't get sick.

00:21:17.440 One organ, brain, doesn't get sick.

00:21:19.240 Everything else gets sick, not brains.

00:21:20.140 We're focused on treating primarily affluent people

00:21:24.860 who have the blues.

00:21:25.880 That is what the training that I'm getting is.

00:21:29.240 I'm so sorry.

00:21:30.400 I know.

00:21:30.780 And honestly, I feel ill-equipped at the end of my program.

00:21:33.680 Did you just 50, 150, all of them?

00:21:36.240 People keep asking me like,

00:21:37.780 oh, are you going to transfer to another university?

00:21:39.680 And universities have generously offered to take me.

00:21:44.340 But at this point, I don't feel that it is ethical

00:21:47.200 for somebody who might come into my office

00:21:49.520 with bipolar or schizophrenia or OCD

00:21:53.040 because I have had to, all of my training

00:21:56.260 has been focused on people with the blues

00:21:58.980 and not people with severe psychopathology.

00:22:00.860 And cultural sensitivity.

00:22:01.920 And cultural sensitivity.

00:22:02.640 But you don't, nothing's recorded, right?

00:22:05.360 No.

00:22:06.100 Nothing's recorded.

00:22:06.680 Oh yeah, actually training sessions can be recorded

00:22:09.740 with the patient's consent.

00:22:11.420 And I mean, at least in my program,

00:22:12.680 we had patient consent.

00:22:14.220 And then the supervisor would review them.

00:22:17.340 I'll just bring that up because my first thought was,

00:22:21.240 kind of want to be a therapist.

00:22:22.400 Go to California, get certified and all that.

00:22:24.880 And then once that like weird, woke liberal comes in saying,

00:22:28.260 I'm so upset because I'm a communist,

00:22:30.140 I'd be like, threatened to kill self and me.

00:22:32.360 And then I'd call the police back, lock them up.

00:22:34.760 Well, be prepared to write your comprehensive

00:22:36.360 sexual autobiography for that.

00:22:38.080 Well, also, I mean, what they're also doing now.

00:22:40.400 They refuse to have sex with me.

00:22:41.640 To Drew's point about this constant, you know,

00:22:45.520 asking them every 10 minutes, of course that, you know,

00:22:48.040 almost reinforces and, you know, reawakens the idea.

00:22:52.420 But of course, what they're also doing now on some levels

00:22:54.880 is even this MAID, the MAID program, you know,

00:22:58.740 and the assisted suicide.

00:23:00.660 Like it's practically at a point in some places now,

00:23:03.720 you know, where you're like, well,

00:23:04.840 have we talked about, you know, responsible ways

00:23:07.740 if that's something that, you know, you want to explore.

00:23:09.700 But I remember even when I was in training

00:23:12.660 like 10 years ago, 15 years ago,

00:23:14.860 I remember it was this weird thing

00:23:17.380 where they would insist that everybody

00:23:20.120 has thought about suicide at some time

00:23:22.780 and that it's completely normal.

00:23:24.440 And I was like, no, no, I actually never have.

00:23:27.140 Like it would, I would never do that.

00:23:28.940 And it, even better.

00:23:30.460 There's interesting stuff embedded in that observation

00:23:32.360 because even asking questions about autism, right?

00:23:36.300 When people wanted to go, what, why is autism going up?

00:23:39.100 You are biased against non-neuronormative people.

00:23:43.060 Don't, what's wrong with that?

00:23:44.520 What's wrong with it?

00:23:45.140 Forget all the disability that results

00:23:46.740 or the misery or what, God knows what.

00:23:48.500 You're not allowed to ask the question.

00:23:50.640 A, it might implicate vaccines.

00:23:52.400 Can't ask that.

00:23:53.380 And B, you're coming down on non-neuronormative people.

00:23:56.100 On neurodivergent people.

00:23:57.260 Neurodivergent people, yeah.

00:23:58.640 So with like the gender stuff,

00:24:01.480 there's like, we generally understand

00:24:03.520 the attempt at logic they have.

00:24:05.800 But what about general body dysmorphia, right?

00:24:08.040 What is it called when people want to like

00:24:09.980 amputate their own hand?

00:24:11.480 Do you know what the term for that is?

00:24:12.700 I forget the name for that.

00:24:13.660 It's like general bodies.

00:24:14.760 Yeah, it's so unusual.

00:24:15.780 But yes, it exists.

00:24:17.460 Okay, but what about just your average woman who,

00:24:20.040 you know, I can speak to it,

00:24:21.320 your breasts change after childbirth

00:24:22.940 and then you have body dysphoria

00:24:24.780 about anything like that.

00:24:27.240 And then, you know, if I went to a therapist

00:24:30.000 and I'm talking about how, you know,

00:24:33.080 I really want a boob job

00:24:34.360 because my breasts look different,

00:24:36.320 they wouldn't say, okay, great.

00:24:37.800 Here's a referral to 10 plastic surgeons.

00:24:40.020 But that is what we're being taught to do

00:24:42.100 in therapy training.

00:24:44.100 If a child comes to me

00:24:45.240 with six months of gender dysphoria,

00:24:47.520 it is not my job to gatekeep.

00:24:49.840 They said, don't be a gatekeeper

00:24:51.240 of their healthcare.

00:24:53.020 But we are sending them

00:24:54.260 into plastic surgeons' offices.

00:24:56.700 I don't know if you've been into one recently.

00:24:58.920 I recently broke my hand and had to go.

00:25:00.820 The walls are covered with all sorts of messages

00:25:03.700 and pamphlets telling you that, you know,

00:25:06.240 your face needs to be tightened

00:25:08.000 and your breasts need to be lifted

00:25:09.660 and your butt needs to be plumped.

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00:26:07.140 And these people are marketing.

00:26:09.840 It's called body integrity dysphoria

00:26:11.940 or body integrity identity disorder.

00:26:15.280 And it feels a specific part of their body

00:26:17.100 is not actually a part of their body

00:26:19.360 and they want it removed.

00:26:20.080 And there have been people

00:26:21.420 who have tried to get amputations

00:26:23.180 but been denied.

00:26:24.300 So they stage accidents.

00:26:26.300 Where one example was a guy,

00:26:28.180 he put a jack under a car

00:26:29.740 and then put his hand under it

00:26:31.600 and then pulled the jack out

00:26:32.440 so it crushed his wrist

00:26:33.420 so he'd get his hand removed.

00:26:35.080 See, and we can all clearly see that

00:26:37.200 for what it is, right?

00:26:39.300 But yeah, if somebody...

00:26:41.180 And I just want to say, I mean, about trans

00:26:43.060 because I feel like it's kind of

00:26:44.080 this elephant in the room.

00:26:46.020 I don't have a problem

00:26:47.680 like with people doing what they want to do.

00:26:50.700 Like if a man is like,

00:26:52.240 I want to have a body like a woman

00:26:53.880 so I want to get a boob job.

00:26:55.600 Fine with me.

00:26:56.920 But like as a psychologist,

00:26:58.640 I start asking questions

00:27:00.000 if he displays what as a psychologist

00:27:02.860 I would call like concrete thinking

00:27:05.540 where he says, if I get a boob job,

00:27:07.900 that will make me a woman, right?

00:27:10.460 As if then he starts,

00:27:12.120 he's in my opinion then starting

00:27:13.720 to really break from reality.

00:27:17.220 And whereas, you know,

00:27:18.220 you would never say to an anorexic,

00:27:20.280 like, yeah, sure,

00:27:21.340 let's get you that liposuction.

00:27:23.420 We're going to collude with that disorder

00:27:25.600 as opposed to like trying to bring

00:27:27.620 the person into reality.

00:27:30.080 Colluding is actually explicitly part

00:27:33.960 of what a psychologist should do

00:27:35.440 according to Tama Bryant,

00:27:36.980 our APA president.

00:27:38.480 She put out a TED talk called

00:27:40.700 We Need to Decolonize Psychology,

00:27:42.720 something like that.

00:27:43.740 She says, we need,

00:27:45.640 so she's a liberation psychologist

00:27:47.280 and they view themselves.

00:27:48.360 Liberation psychologist?

00:27:49.360 Liberation psychologist.

00:27:50.400 What is that?

00:27:51.220 So they view themselves

00:27:52.780 as political activists.

00:27:55.440 Therapy is a political act.

00:27:57.160 This sounds like Soviet era stuff.

00:27:58.740 I was going to say Mengala.

00:27:59.660 I was going to say Mengala.

00:28:00.880 What?

00:28:01.240 I was going to say Mengala.

00:28:02.180 Mengala, Mao, Soviet,

00:28:04.140 they all do the same thing.

00:28:05.660 They say that Melba Vasquez

00:28:07.960 is another liberation psychologist.

00:28:09.820 She's a past APA president.

00:28:11.700 She says that it is our job

00:28:13.160 as psychologists

00:28:13.800 to awake the client

00:28:15.740 to their own oppression

00:28:16.920 and then help mobilize them

00:28:19.120 into dismantling oppressive forces.

00:28:21.800 Well, so like the DSM-5

00:28:24.180 has a whole range of disorders

00:28:26.460 and one that I often use

00:28:27.920 is either body integrity disorder

00:28:30.180 or dysphoria or PICA,

00:28:32.520 which you guys,

00:28:34.200 what would happen if someone came in

00:28:36.260 and they said,

00:28:37.440 no one will let me eat pennies

00:28:39.440 and I just want to

00:28:41.380 and I feel that I should be allowed to.

00:28:44.580 What do you have to say to them?

00:28:46.240 Okay, well, you're the doctor.

00:28:48.200 You're the psychologist.

00:28:48.920 But I'll say from a training perspective,

00:28:52.180 I am trained to affirm

00:28:54.420 how difficult that must be

00:28:56.380 that you want to eat pennies

00:28:58.100 and you're not able to

00:28:59.560 and people are oppressing your ability

00:29:02.340 to do what you want with your body.

00:29:04.020 Then we might move into exploring like,

00:29:06.840 oh, is that healthy or whatnot?

00:29:09.500 But-

00:29:09.920 What if they say yes?

00:29:11.380 Like what if they're like,

00:29:12.380 yes, it is

00:29:13.420 and I can eat it

00:29:14.460 and it's fine.

00:29:15.220 See, there's a teeny tiny grain of truth

00:29:17.640 in the very beginning there,

00:29:19.500 which is,

00:29:20.740 yes, it must be very difficult for you

00:29:23.060 that you want this thing,

00:29:24.740 you know,

00:29:25.140 that you cannot or should not do.

00:29:26.540 That used to be just alliance building.

00:29:28.200 That used to be just how you built

00:29:29.220 an alliance with a patient.

00:29:30.640 That's all.

00:29:31.000 And then go to the truth.

00:29:32.300 You couldn't as a therapist be like,

00:29:34.340 wow, you're nuts.

00:29:35.460 Are you crazy?

00:29:36.220 I don't need pennies.

00:29:36.860 The colluding begins

00:29:38.060 when you start saying

00:29:39.760 it's so oppressive

00:29:41.500 that people won't let you do that

00:29:43.840 because that's where you're breaking from reality.

00:29:46.700 The reality is,

00:29:47.920 it's not the problem,

00:29:48.960 isn't that quote,

00:29:49.640 people won't let you.

00:29:50.880 The reality is,

00:29:51.980 is that it's really bad for you

00:29:54.460 and all these other things.

00:29:55.580 It's not a matter of oppression.

00:29:58.360 We are trained as clinicians

00:30:00.320 just to ask questions.

00:30:01.740 Therapeutic wonderment.

00:30:03.020 Wonder what that's about.

00:30:04.440 Wonder why you do that.

00:30:05.600 And let the patient come to their reality.

00:30:08.180 Let them to kind of build the sense

00:30:10.340 of what's going on here.

00:30:11.520 I know what we need.

00:30:12.820 I'm going to open

00:30:13.600 an unlicensed therapy clinic

00:30:15.860 where it's just,

00:30:17.560 look,

00:30:17.860 you come in

00:30:18.420 and you're saying something like,

00:30:20.820 I'm having trouble socializing

00:30:22.760 and it's painful every day I wake up.

00:30:25.660 I'll say,

00:30:25.960 well,

00:30:26.180 for starters,

00:30:26.960 you're morbidly obese

00:30:27.920 and you smell bad.

00:30:29.080 So perhaps you could stop eating,

00:30:30.820 exercise and take a shower

00:30:31.760 and maybe people will listen.

00:30:32.740 I'm not going to be in an alliance.

00:30:34.320 I'm going to tell you.

00:30:35.020 I actually got to that point

00:30:37.040 at my practice in New York.

00:30:39.520 I think it's actually

00:30:41.620 why people were coming to me.

00:30:43.160 Like I had this huge wait list.

00:30:44.900 I say,

00:30:45.460 I talk about it in the past

00:30:46.600 because I'm not practicing clinically right now.

00:30:49.160 But I think people were so hungry

00:30:51.780 for a therapist

00:30:52.960 to just actually be real with them,

00:30:55.880 you know,

00:30:56.280 to just say like,

00:30:57.660 well,

00:30:57.880 you know,

00:30:58.220 again,

00:30:58.480 like as you said,

00:30:59.220 like,

00:30:59.380 well,

00:30:59.620 you're,

00:30:59.960 you know,

00:31:00.540 morbidly obese

00:31:01.340 and you smell terrible

00:31:02.340 to be able to say like,

00:31:04.180 well,

00:31:04.620 can we have real talk

00:31:06.100 about what you think might be

00:31:08.080 the barriers,

00:31:09.060 you know,

00:31:09.300 between you and your goals

00:31:10.360 as opposed to saying

00:31:11.800 it's so oppressive

00:31:13.020 that there's fat phobia.

00:31:13.560 Are you aware

00:31:13.880 that people are afraid

00:31:14.540 to come to therapists now

00:31:15.480 because of these biases

00:31:16.480 and that there are organizations

00:31:17.860 developing amongst professionals

00:31:19.560 to try to support each other

00:31:20.880 and being open and unbiased?

00:31:22.520 Yeah.

00:31:22.740 People are,

00:31:23.260 Colleen was telling me

00:31:24.000 there's a good data

00:31:24.960 that suggests people

00:31:26.100 will not come get

00:31:26.920 their mental health services

00:31:27.800 because of fear of all this.

00:31:29.080 Shout out to Open Therapy Institute,

00:31:31.420 actually,

00:31:32.000 OTI,

00:31:32.740 Andrew Hartz in New York.

00:31:34.080 He's amazing.

00:31:35.140 He started Open Therapy Institute.

00:31:37.320 It's a,

00:31:37.620 and they're actually offering

00:31:38.680 a training for me

00:31:39.620 about the mental health benefits

00:31:40.900 of free speech

00:31:41.700 because therapists

00:31:43.100 and clients

00:31:44.140 can go there

00:31:44.780 if they want like

00:31:45.600 basically just non-woke therapy.

00:31:47.580 Can you,

00:31:47.780 can you out crazy someone

00:31:49.220 to make them realize

00:31:50.060 why they're crazy?

00:31:50.660 Like if someone,

00:31:51.720 if a guy came to you

00:31:52.840 and said,

00:31:53.480 I am a woman

00:31:55.000 and I know I'm a woman

00:31:56.680 and then you were like,

00:31:58.040 I know exactly what that's like.

00:31:59.960 I'm a dragon.

00:32:01.340 I'm a mythical dragon

00:32:02.480 trapped in a human's body

00:32:03.440 and every day I suffer,

00:32:04.660 I know exactly

00:32:05.280 what it must be like for you.

00:32:06.220 So there is actually,

00:32:07.460 if you're dealing with somebody

00:32:08.860 that has a very severe delusion,

00:32:10.840 like if somebody comes

00:32:11.740 and says like,

00:32:12.500 okay,

00:32:12.680 so the little green men,

00:32:14.060 you know,

00:32:14.540 are talking to me

00:32:15.740 and it's driving me nuts.

00:32:16.920 When they have

00:32:17.560 a very severe psychotic disorder,

00:32:19.740 it actually is helpful

00:32:21.020 to avoid confronting it directly.

00:32:22.980 At first,

00:32:23.420 you might say things like,

00:32:24.480 well,

00:32:24.540 what do the little green men say?

00:32:26.260 When did they first appear?

00:32:27.500 What was going on in your life?

00:32:29.200 So playing along

00:32:30.620 for a deliberate,

00:32:32.360 limited period of time

00:32:33.640 for a therapeutic goal

00:32:35.080 is sometimes does matter

00:32:37.240 to your point.

00:32:38.120 Like Shutter Island.

00:32:39.540 I don't know Shutter Island.

00:32:40.200 DiCaprio.

00:32:40.700 Sorry.

00:32:41.860 Anyway,

00:32:42.280 I continue.

00:32:42.480 What's Shutter Island?

00:32:43.560 He's,

00:32:44.740 wasn't it like

00:32:45.980 he's on his island

00:32:46.880 investigating something

00:32:48.560 and then the big reveal

00:32:50.640 at the end is

00:32:51.040 he's actually a mental patient

00:32:52.060 and they're allowing him

00:32:52.760 to perform his delusion

00:32:54.020 to see where it goes.

00:32:55.380 Yeah.

00:32:55.740 Yeah.

00:32:56.240 I mean,

00:32:56.540 so there is a value in that

00:32:58.100 to a certain degree,

00:32:59.420 but when it becomes

00:33:00.860 the whole thing

00:33:01.600 and then to Naomi's point,

00:33:02.840 you start saying,

00:33:03.480 well,

00:33:03.560 isn't it oppressive

00:33:04.480 that the people around you

00:33:05.760 don't see that as well?

00:33:08.000 You're making the patient worse.

00:33:09.440 Like you're cutting them off.

00:33:10.900 You're deepening.

00:33:11.660 You're colluding

00:33:12.320 and reinforcing that delusion

00:33:14.380 as opposed to just exploring

00:33:16.400 and probing the delusion

00:33:17.760 so that you can think about

00:33:19.100 how to help the person.

00:33:21.000 So,

00:33:21.240 so a question for you guys.

00:33:22.680 What is,

00:33:23.180 so there's,

00:33:23.820 there's obvious

00:33:24.660 schizophrenic delusions,

00:33:26.740 like actual brain damage

00:33:28.420 to delusions

00:33:28.920 where someone says

00:33:29.840 little green men

00:33:30.460 have been whispering in my ears

00:33:31.540 and what is that called?

00:33:35.180 Schizophrenia,

00:33:35.900 psychotic disorder,

00:33:37.120 delusion.

00:33:37.460 I mean,

00:33:37.860 there are,

00:33:38.720 psychotic disorders

00:33:41.060 are alive and well

00:33:42.080 and living on the streets

00:33:43.140 of San Francisco

00:33:43.740 and Los Angeles.

00:33:44.980 The most common cause

00:33:46.500 is meth addiction.

00:33:48.060 Methamphetamine causes

00:33:48.980 a severe psychosis.

00:33:51.400 Wow.

00:33:51.480 It can look like schizophrenia.

00:33:53.460 Schizophrenia is a chronic illness,

00:33:55.380 has some genetic basis to it.

00:33:57.140 It's a specific thing

00:33:58.400 and out on the streets

00:33:59.420 it's hard to tell

00:34:00.060 who's schizophrenic

00:34:00.700 and who's a meth addict

00:34:01.400 and who's bipolar mania.

00:34:03.000 They can also be

00:34:03.660 very wildly psychotic.

00:34:04.740 So the reason

00:34:05.480 I ask that question is

00:34:06.460 what if the delusion

00:34:07.760 is developed

00:34:08.960 based on affirmation

00:34:10.960 of falsehoods?

00:34:12.760 That's exactly

00:34:13.620 what I'm saying.

00:34:14.460 What is that called?

00:34:17.740 Bad therapy.

00:34:19.080 Well, I mean,

00:34:19.440 if someone comes to you

00:34:20.800 and says,

00:34:21.540 Donald Trump is Hitler

00:34:23.460 and I heard he just sent in

00:34:26.000 a bunch of white supremacists

00:34:27.260 to kidnap children

00:34:28.300 from poor working families

00:34:29.500 on a produce farm.

00:34:32.800 So, for example,

00:34:35.480 there was literally

00:34:36.680 an ice raid yesterday.

00:34:38.160 It was a pot farm.

00:34:39.500 They found child laborers

00:34:40.640 according to CBP.

00:34:41.600 Maybe it's right.

00:34:42.060 Maybe it's wrong.

00:34:42.660 But there were children there

00:34:43.900 that are believed to be

00:34:45.420 forced to work there.

00:34:47.560 And so there's an ice raid

00:34:48.760 to shut it down.

00:34:50.820 Falsehoods are spread

00:34:51.440 by the left intentionally

00:34:52.400 to create a...

00:34:54.060 Mass psychosis.

00:34:55.220 Yeah.

00:34:55.780 I mean,

00:34:56.620 but is it psychosis

00:34:57.760 if their brain

00:34:59.460 is of standard working order?

00:35:01.940 No, no.

00:35:02.420 But they believe.

00:35:03.920 Well, I think that would

00:35:04.660 just be a cognitive distortion,

00:35:06.160 right?

00:35:06.320 Because we believe

00:35:07.240 things that are false

00:35:09.140 on a lower level

00:35:10.780 all the time.

00:35:11.920 Oh, my husband

00:35:12.840 doesn't really like me

00:35:13.680 because he, you know,

00:35:14.820 left the dishes

00:35:15.580 in the sink or whatever.

00:35:16.980 But the problem is

00:35:17.840 is that in therapy,

00:35:19.040 if I come to you

00:35:20.120 and I say,

00:35:20.600 my husband doesn't like me

00:35:21.660 because X, Y, Z,

00:35:23.100 the therapist

00:35:23.600 would presumably

00:35:24.500 challenge the client.

00:35:26.580 But when it is

00:35:27.380 societal level conclusions,

00:35:29.480 it is our job

00:35:30.420 to then collude

00:35:31.120 with the client

00:35:31.720 in those delusions

00:35:32.760 as evidenced by Taylor Bray.

00:35:33.920 When NBC is broadcasting

00:35:36.000 and saying,

00:35:37.460 you know,

00:35:37.760 for example,

00:35:38.540 allegedly,

00:35:39.660 just not necessarily,

00:35:41.380 but like,

00:35:42.040 if the patient

00:35:43.360 is hearing things

00:35:44.300 on TV

00:35:44.960 and then extrapolating

00:35:47.340 and saying,

00:35:47.820 well, the newsman

00:35:48.680 said that it was

00:35:49.680 adult laborers,

00:35:50.700 but he blinked

00:35:51.560 a certain way

00:35:52.120 so I knew

00:35:52.620 it was really

00:35:53.100 child laborers,

00:35:54.100 then it's a psychosis

00:35:55.420 on the patient's part.

00:35:56.940 But when the news

00:35:58.060 is feeding people

00:35:59.260 misinformation,

00:36:01.000 then I think people

00:36:01.940 are just the victims,

00:36:03.160 actually.

00:36:03.540 What would you call that?

00:36:04.900 If someone came to you

00:36:06.280 and said,

00:36:06.900 there are white supremacists

00:36:10.020 currently occupying

00:36:10.940 the White House

00:36:11.620 and they do Nazi salutes

00:36:13.160 on a regular basis,

00:36:14.640 I know this is true

00:36:16.060 because I've heard it

00:36:17.440 and it's clearly not true.

00:36:19.500 Like, you know,

00:36:19.940 there was a picture

00:36:20.440 and they're just

00:36:20.900 under mind control.

00:36:22.320 I mean,

00:36:22.540 but is there,

00:36:23.280 maybe I should use

00:36:24.220 a more extreme example,

00:36:25.180 like little green men.

00:36:26.620 Flat Earth is a good one.

00:36:28.580 Yeah,

00:36:28.900 like something that

00:36:29.660 we can discernibly say

00:36:30.960 at a societal level,

00:36:31.960 we have reason,

00:36:33.740 like it's not true,

00:36:35.860 easily disproven,

00:36:36.780 but they're adamant

00:36:37.580 that it is true.

00:36:38.200 Is there,

00:36:38.620 is that it,

00:36:39.500 I would call that delusional.

00:36:41.260 It is delusional.

00:36:42.340 It's delusional,

00:36:43.160 but it's not clinically

00:36:44.160 relevant delusional.

00:36:45.660 It's not something

00:36:46.480 that you would necessarily

00:36:47.700 treat in a therapist's office.

00:36:49.300 You could,

00:36:50.280 like just confronting it

00:36:51.340 and talking about it

00:36:52.040 and looking at it

00:36:52.600 and examining it

00:36:53.280 and allowing the patient

00:36:55.000 to kind of try to get

00:36:56.160 to reality testing,

00:36:57.420 but it is on a

00:36:59.140 mass formation level.

00:37:00.360 But I have a feeling

00:37:01.600 that if a therapist

00:37:02.500 or if a client

00:37:03.260 went to a therapist

00:37:04.040 with a delusion

00:37:05.060 that was not politically

00:37:06.440 convenient,

00:37:07.340 like,

00:37:07.980 oh,

00:37:08.140 Joe Biden is actually

00:37:09.160 wearing a mask

00:37:10.100 and he,

00:37:11.620 you know,

00:37:12.440 he's dead

00:37:13.540 or whatever,

00:37:14.740 have you,

00:37:15.580 I think that there would be

00:37:16.440 more clinical curiosity,

00:37:17.600 like,

00:37:18.300 hmm,

00:37:19.120 you have gone down a road

00:37:20.680 that seems to be

00:37:21.980 maladaptive now.

00:37:23.260 But on the other side,

00:37:24.300 I don't see that

00:37:25.000 and it's because of

00:37:25.640 the political bias

00:37:26.380 that Chloe is speaking to.

00:37:27.580 Yeah,

00:37:27.880 one of the big differences

00:37:29.020 as far as,

00:37:29.720 like,

00:37:29.800 a rubric,

00:37:30.560 Tim,

00:37:30.780 that you're talking about

00:37:31.980 is,

00:37:32.440 you know,

00:37:33.080 is what the patient

00:37:34.280 is saying

00:37:34.980 far outside

00:37:36.240 of social norms,

00:37:37.940 right?

00:37:38.380 And I'm just saying that...

00:37:39.640 But Tim's trying to get at

00:37:40.660 how,

00:37:41.540 when social norms

00:37:42.380 are divorced from reality,

00:37:43.740 what do we do with that

00:37:44.560 and what do we call that?

00:37:45.440 Exactly.

00:37:45.700 But,

00:37:46.560 so,

00:37:46.780 a couple things.

00:37:49.180 I was genuinely,

00:37:50.280 genuinely curious,

00:37:51.080 is there a term

00:37:51.840 for when someone comes in

00:37:52.800 and says,

00:37:53.060 the earth is flat

00:37:53.740 and I know it?

00:37:54.940 Delusion.

00:37:56.220 So,

00:37:56.900 even though their brain,

00:37:58.240 they're not psychotic,

00:37:58.920 it's just that they,

00:37:59.740 they watched a bunch of videos

00:38:01.180 that convinced them.

00:38:02.180 Yeah,

00:38:02.380 we just call it,

00:38:03.060 like,

00:38:03.120 a limited delusion.

00:38:04.360 Yeah.

00:38:04.900 And so then,

00:38:05.580 I suppose,

00:38:06.760 the issue then becomes,

00:38:07.680 what is,

00:38:08.200 what is the action

00:38:09.220 taken by a therapist?

00:38:11.260 If,

00:38:11.500 if you,

00:38:11.900 like,

00:38:12.280 I suppose you put it well

00:38:13.340 when you said it's political.

00:38:14.460 If someone came in

00:38:15.500 and said,

00:38:16.020 Trump is a white supremacist,

00:38:18.000 the presumption

00:38:18.860 of the medical board

00:38:20.040 or whatever California is,

00:38:20.840 probably,

00:38:21.240 they are correct.

00:38:22.080 Exactly.

00:38:22.940 Well,

00:38:23.180 so,

00:38:23.400 but if somebody just comes in

00:38:24.640 and has,

00:38:25.060 like,

00:38:25.100 a limited delusion,

00:38:26.620 you actually have to also,

00:38:28.480 as a psychologist,

00:38:29.680 ask yourself,

00:38:30.860 for ethical reasons,

00:38:32.360 is this delusion

00:38:33.980 interfering with their daily life?

00:38:35.780 Is it causing them distress?

00:38:37.000 Like,

00:38:37.160 so if somebody comes to me

00:38:38.380 for marital counseling

00:38:39.740 and I discover

00:38:40.900 that they also happen

00:38:41.920 to be a flat earther,

00:38:43.400 but it's not,

00:38:43.980 like,

00:38:44.400 related to anything else

00:38:45.700 of why they're coming in,

00:38:46.700 they're functioning fine,

00:38:47.780 I have no business

00:38:49.200 trying to,

00:38:50.040 you know,

00:38:50.620 pull that string with them.

00:38:52.360 But if they come in

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00:39:49.500 Up all night

00:39:50.220 because the earth is flat,

00:39:51.900 they believe,

00:39:52.460 and they are on a crusade

00:39:54.420 and it's taking over their life,

00:39:56.020 then I address it.

00:39:57.140 You know what you guys

00:39:57.640 should do in California?

00:39:59.000 You should in your,

00:40:00.520 I mean,

00:40:00.840 you're not in California,

00:40:01.640 are you?

00:40:01.980 No, I moved to the

00:40:02.640 free state of Florida.

00:40:03.640 Okay, that's better.

00:40:04.580 But if you're in California

00:40:06.240 and you have a therapy practice,

00:40:08.060 set up little speakers

00:40:09.060 in random places of the room

00:40:10.360 and then when anti-Trump people

00:40:12.540 come in,

00:40:13.440 have a button you can press

00:40:14.900 that will make a random one

00:40:16.140 have a Trump,

00:40:17.260 like Trump speaks as,

00:40:18.440 it's like,

00:40:19.080 I'm in the room with you.

00:40:20.680 And then when they say,

00:40:21.420 did you hear that?

00:40:21.940 You'd be like,

00:40:22.220 I didn't hear anything.

00:40:23.080 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:40:25.280 You must be delusional.

00:40:26.980 But Tim,

00:40:28.620 you're digging into something

00:40:29.560 that really fascinates me,

00:40:30.840 which is,

00:40:31.600 what is it about certain periods

00:40:33.660 of history

00:40:34.120 that people are prone

00:40:36.000 to mob behavior

00:40:37.380 and hysterias and delusions?

00:40:39.340 There are books about it,

00:40:41.320 there's controversies around it,

00:40:43.320 but there clearly are trends

00:40:44.820 in history where,

00:40:46.420 it's funny,

00:40:47.020 I was reading a book

00:40:47.580 about 1935 Germany

00:40:49.060 and the Germans were talking

00:40:50.580 about the hysteria

00:40:51.900 that had captured Germany.

00:40:53.220 I thought,

00:40:53.480 oh,

00:40:54.200 even that was a hysteria.

00:40:55.580 Yeah.

00:40:55.800 And what is it about

00:40:56.940 our personality construct,

00:40:58.700 our family experiences,

00:40:59.640 our childhood experiences

00:41:00.440 that sets that up?

00:41:01.840 And humbly,

00:41:02.640 I believe it is narcissism.

00:41:04.400 When there is a huge

00:41:05.560 narcissistic trend,

00:41:07.000 there's a tendency

00:41:07.580 towards envy,

00:41:08.800 there's a tendency

00:41:09.440 towards scapegoating,

00:41:10.980 there's a tendency

00:41:11.560 to mob together

00:41:12.840 and then collectively

00:41:14.480 act out your aggression

00:41:15.580 on somebody,

00:41:17.260 a one,

00:41:17.920 and it's a way

00:41:18.540 of managing their own

00:41:19.860 internal rage

00:41:21.200 and aggression.

00:41:22.300 And it's highly

00:41:23.120 dysfunctional.

00:41:23.660 It needs to be addressed

00:41:24.640 for what it is.

00:41:25.680 You know,

00:41:25.940 I,

00:41:26.200 again,

00:41:26.440 I'm a time traveler,

00:41:27.380 Tim.

00:41:27.760 I watched the diagnostic codes

00:41:29.980 change on the admitting sheets

00:41:32.260 at the psychiatric hospital

00:41:33.280 across 30 years.

00:41:34.520 And when I first got there

00:41:35.780 in the 80s,

00:41:36.220 it was all different kinds

00:41:37.360 of personality spectrum.

00:41:39.160 Towards the end

00:41:39.880 of the 80s,

00:41:40.800 borderline took over

00:41:42.460 and then by the 90s,

00:41:44.140 it was only cluster B,

00:41:45.740 which is the narcissistic disorder.

00:41:47.660 And the borderlines,

00:41:48.700 when they came in,

00:41:49.380 all had at least

00:41:50.100 five lawsuits

00:41:50.780 under their belt.

00:41:51.580 At least.

00:41:52.440 At least.

00:41:52.940 The legal system

00:41:54.600 caught on

00:41:55.400 to the fact

00:41:55.960 that they were

00:41:56.300 using the courts

00:41:57.020 to act out.

00:41:58.220 Then these same patients

00:41:59.660 became lawyers

00:42:00.960 and then judges

00:42:02.160 and politicians.

00:42:03.660 Wow.

00:42:04.220 And so that's

00:42:05.080 what we're dealing

00:42:05.680 with now.

00:42:06.200 And parents also,

00:42:07.960 and so more narcissism.

00:42:09.640 And we have to

00:42:10.520 contain it.

00:42:11.360 There's no other way

00:42:12.320 of doing it

00:42:12.740 other than containment.

00:42:14.140 And then helping people

00:42:15.720 lean into their phobias

00:42:17.520 or whatever else

00:42:18.100 going on.

00:42:18.500 I think

00:42:19.420 the people in this country

00:42:22.240 that don't suffer from this

00:42:23.500 are too afraid

00:42:24.380 to be called fascists.

00:42:25.460 That's right.

00:42:25.980 So they just say,

00:42:26.720 we're going to let you

00:42:27.300 do whatever you want.

00:42:27.740 Well, look at what happens

00:42:28.920 when you speak up.

00:42:29.920 I'm a young woman saying,

00:42:31.280 hey, I don't want to be

00:42:32.020 sexually harassed.

00:42:33.120 And there is a pervasive

00:42:34.540 anti-white,

00:42:36.340 anti-male bias

00:42:37.800 in our institutions.

00:42:39.600 And I was fired for it.

00:42:41.840 Well, it's like

00:42:42.420 the emperor has no clothes.

00:42:44.120 So, Tim,

00:42:45.000 you were talking about

00:42:46.300 different types of delusions.

00:42:48.720 And, I mean,

00:42:49.720 we can look at

00:42:50.440 the Nazi regime, right,

00:42:52.020 as like a mass formation

00:42:53.580 psychosis.

00:42:54.900 And it's what I fear

00:42:56.500 is happening now, actually.

00:42:58.720 It happens in history

00:43:00.100 periodically.

00:43:00.820 And I thought we were

00:43:01.420 done with it.

00:43:02.080 I was so wrong.

00:43:02.920 No, I think it's

00:43:03.420 the only condition.

00:43:03.460 Read LeBong.

00:43:04.600 Really, the Jacobins

00:43:06.260 had the first

00:43:07.360 real big version of it.

00:43:09.100 It did not end well

00:43:10.280 for them or anybody else.

00:43:11.860 Oh, yeah.

00:43:12.200 It doesn't go well.

00:43:12.700 Which is why it is

00:43:13.820 so important for people

00:43:15.280 to speak up.

00:43:16.460 I mean, I'll just share

00:43:17.740 as well, like,

00:43:18.480 it was hard for me.

00:43:20.180 I was telling,

00:43:21.860 you know,

00:43:22.160 these two at breakfast,

00:43:23.340 like, the reason

00:43:24.520 I wrote my book

00:43:25.660 about the mental health

00:43:26.740 benefits of free speech

00:43:27.940 is because I used

00:43:29.740 to just try to really

00:43:30.700 toe the line in the media

00:43:32.120 and not say anything

00:43:33.160 that would, you know,

00:43:33.960 get me blacklisted

00:43:34.900 from media and journalists.

00:43:37.000 And then when it came

00:43:37.960 to COVID

00:43:38.540 and it came to masking kids,

00:43:40.660 I couldn't keep it in.

00:43:41.980 And so I wrote this blog

00:43:43.340 about the harms

00:43:44.140 of masking kids

00:43:45.240 and I shared it

00:43:46.360 with a couple colleagues

00:43:47.380 to just say, like,

00:43:48.200 am I missing something here?

00:43:49.580 Like, what's going on?

00:43:50.900 And they wrote back

00:43:51.700 and they were like,

00:43:52.140 no, everything you're saying

00:43:52.940 is correct,

00:43:53.500 but you should not share

00:43:54.340 the blog because it could

00:43:55.740 keep people from masking

00:43:56.920 their kids.

00:43:57.580 And I was like,

00:43:58.680 okay, this is nuts.

00:43:59.680 You're saying that is.

00:44:00.420 I know.

00:44:01.020 I think we're cooked.

00:44:02.800 So I shared the blog

00:44:04.200 and, you know,

00:44:04.860 Dr. J. Batataria

00:44:05.780 picked it up,

00:44:06.420 all these people,

00:44:07.500 and then I felt

00:44:08.600 this weight lifted off of me.

00:44:10.540 I was having deeper conversations.

00:44:12.600 My own thought process

00:44:13.540 was deepening.

00:44:14.740 That's what led me

00:44:15.520 to be interested

00:44:16.180 in the mental health

00:44:17.280 benefits of free speech.

00:44:18.620 So I just really encourage people

00:44:21.280 to say it.

00:44:22.980 Whatever it is,

00:44:24.380 say it.

00:44:24.880 Because repression, suppression, denial,

00:44:27.700 for whatever reason,

00:44:29.160 psychologists are not talking

00:44:30.580 about the harms of those things.

00:44:31.940 They're talking about the harms

00:44:33.180 of hate speech and bullying.

00:44:34.800 And anything you say

00:44:35.960 that they disagree with,

00:44:37.200 of course,

00:44:37.660 is labeled as hate speech

00:44:39.100 and bullying.

00:44:40.240 So, I mean,

00:44:40.980 I'm not in favor of hate speech

00:44:42.480 and bullying,

00:44:43.220 but I just think

00:44:44.200 we have to be bold

00:44:45.400 and just,

00:44:46.380 whatever it is,

00:44:47.100 destroy it.

00:44:48.160 It's anti-science,

00:44:48.900 not to have discourse,

00:44:49.920 not to have debate.

00:44:50.840 Well, the thing is,

00:44:51.440 I think most people

00:44:52.520 actually agree

00:44:53.480 because there's the,

00:44:54.880 you see the few people

00:44:56.540 who speak out

00:44:57.160 who break from the tribe

00:44:58.200 and they get punished,

00:45:00.060 but I was punished

00:45:02.340 to warn other people

00:45:04.300 not to speak out.

00:45:06.040 That was what happened.

00:45:07.880 I mean,

00:45:08.140 in my,

00:45:08.900 so I went to this struggle session

00:45:10.400 right before I got fired

00:45:11.780 and after the meeting,

00:45:14.520 the director was like,

00:45:15.460 I'm not going to fire you.

00:45:16.400 You did a great job.

00:45:17.320 You balanced your personal experiences

00:45:20.000 with your philosophical concerns.

00:45:21.740 All good.

00:45:22.440 But he calls me two hours later

00:45:24.120 and says,

00:45:24.840 you know,

00:45:26.020 it's not tenable

00:45:27.060 for you to work

00:45:27.820 at the organization

00:45:28.740 because of the intolerance

00:45:30.820 of my staff.

00:45:32.000 Wow.

00:45:32.300 And he was given a warning

00:45:33.960 from the staff.

00:45:35.060 You better fire her or else.

00:45:36.840 And everybody else

00:45:38.040 in that meeting,

00:45:39.080 they,

00:45:39.380 I was made an example of.

00:45:40.520 You gotta,

00:45:40.800 you know,

00:45:41.520 I wish I was in that position

00:45:43.860 as your boss

00:45:44.780 because I would,

00:45:45.600 the moment someone came to me

00:45:46.660 and said,

00:45:46.900 if you fire her

00:45:47.620 or if you don't fire her,

00:45:48.760 I quit.

00:45:49.180 I'll be like,

00:45:49.600 there's the door.

00:45:50.060 I think they would.

00:45:50.940 I'd actually bet you're fired out.

00:45:52.080 I think the staff

00:45:52.800 would be cut in half.

00:45:54.240 I really do.

00:45:54.820 Good.

00:45:55.300 Bye.

00:45:55.780 Yeah.

00:45:56.460 Go on welfare, I guess.

00:45:57.300 That's the containment.

00:45:58.180 That's what needs to happen.

00:45:59.380 And, you know,

00:45:59.820 Mark Cianchisi is a cognitive psychologist

00:46:01.960 and he keeps wanting to emphasize

00:46:03.540 that it's,

00:46:04.380 a lot of this stuff

00:46:04.920 is not just top down.

00:46:06.860 It's also bottom up.

00:46:08.140 It's people during COVID

00:46:09.580 reporting their neighbors

00:46:10.620 for having barbecues,

00:46:11.840 for not masking their kids,

00:46:13.580 for being a prison guard

00:46:15.720 and reporting

00:46:16.520 when somebody's hiding somebody

00:46:17.720 in the,

00:46:17.980 in the,

00:46:18.440 in the attic.

00:46:19.880 You're the people

00:46:20.840 that would be the prison guard.

00:46:22.460 You who did that.

00:46:23.700 If you yelled at somebody,

00:46:25.100 if you,

00:46:25.340 what was this?

00:46:25.940 You were,

00:46:26.240 somebody was sharing with me

00:46:27.060 before I came in here.

00:46:28.360 A woman was,

00:46:29.080 uh,

00:46:29.740 uh,

00:46:30.260 was committed for having,

00:46:31.500 uh,

00:46:31.800 shot somebody

00:46:32.520 for not wearing his mask.

00:46:34.100 Whoa.

00:46:34.380 You hear about this?

00:46:35.380 Maybe you can,

00:46:35.700 yeah,

00:46:35.820 the New York Post.

00:46:36.480 John can bring it in.

00:46:37.060 It's in the Post.

00:46:37.680 Yeah,

00:46:37.740 the Post has published it.

00:46:38.760 But the point is

00:46:39.300 that you,

00:46:40.120 you would be the prison guards.

00:46:41.940 You think you'd fight the Nazis?

00:46:43.500 No,

00:46:43.740 you would be the prison guards.

00:46:45.060 You have to understand that

00:46:46.160 about yourselves.

00:46:47.040 And if,

00:46:47.620 by the way,

00:46:48.640 in the position of your boss,

00:46:49.960 say,

00:46:50.520 was listening to the bottom-up hysteria,

00:46:52.740 if you didn't stand up to that,

00:46:54.640 you would be a Nazi sympathizer.

00:46:56.380 You would be in the,

00:46:57.300 you would be in the system.

00:46:58.120 We can all fall prey to it.

00:47:00.100 So,

00:47:00.640 one of the things

00:47:01.540 I also researched a little bit,

00:47:03.160 um,

00:47:03.680 is,

00:47:04.120 is groupthink,

00:47:05.200 right?

00:47:05.480 So we all,

00:47:06.060 I think,

00:47:06.460 you know what,

00:47:06.820 what groupthink is.

00:47:08.260 And I looked at the,

00:47:09.680 there's seven main factors

00:47:11.360 that contribute to groupthink.

00:47:13.160 One of them

00:47:14.040 is actually self-censorship.

00:47:16.000 And then another one

00:47:17.720 is called the illusion

00:47:19.140 of unanimity.

00:47:21.120 So Naomi,

00:47:21.920 at your job,

00:47:22.640 for example,

00:47:23.660 I guarantee you,

00:47:24.560 there were a few other people,

00:47:25.760 as you said,

00:47:26.280 maybe even half

00:47:27.460 that would have taken your side.

00:47:29.520 But if they stay silent,

00:47:31.160 then it just seems as if,

00:47:33.180 oh,

00:47:33.400 everybody feels this way.

00:47:34.620 What is it?

00:47:34.840 The Asher conformity experiment?

00:47:36.500 Oh,

00:47:36.720 that's in my book too.

00:47:37.780 Where they convince,

00:47:39.400 they,

00:47:39.580 they,

00:47:39.960 they have one subject

00:47:41.260 and a bunch of confederates.

00:47:42.560 So the subject comes into a room like this

00:47:44.060 and the teacher goes,

00:47:45.300 all right,

00:47:45.620 which line is longer?

00:47:46.840 And he has a very short line

00:47:48.480 and three longer ones

00:47:49.480 and the whole room shows

00:47:50.340 the short line is longer.

00:47:51.820 They,

00:47:52.420 they,

00:47:52.680 they,

00:47:53.260 they conform.

00:47:54.160 Conform,

00:47:54.580 yeah.

00:47:54.700 There's a,

00:47:55.060 there's a really fun video

00:47:56.000 you guys probably have seen before

00:47:57.060 where,

00:47:57.380 there's a person sitting in a chair

00:48:01.140 and I forget how they frame it,

00:48:05.040 but the subject is a single person

00:48:06.960 who walks into the room.

00:48:08.020 It's a doctor's waiting room

00:48:09.120 and there's one person sitting in a chair

00:48:10.840 and they sit down.

00:48:12.100 After a few minutes,

00:48:13.260 there's a loud beep on the PA

00:48:14.520 and the person sitting down stands up

00:48:16.160 for about five seconds

00:48:17.160 and then sits down.

00:48:18.280 Oh yeah.

00:48:18.740 The subject looks

00:48:19.520 and is just seemingly confused.

00:48:20.880 Everybody starts.

00:48:21.580 Another person comes in and sits down.

00:48:23.160 Yeah.

00:48:23.660 After a few,

00:48:24.260 a little bit,

00:48:24.860 there's a beep.

00:48:25.560 Both people stand up.

00:48:26.600 The subject looks around

00:48:27.320 and confused.

00:48:28.220 After like five or six more people

00:48:29.740 start doing it,

00:48:30.360 the subject begins just

00:48:31.340 repeating the behavior,

00:48:32.860 not knowing why.

00:48:34.060 Now,

00:48:34.240 the sad thing is,

00:48:35.600 there's a good reason,

00:48:36.940 and you guys are the experts,

00:48:38.000 but you can correct me if I'm wrong,

00:48:38.840 there's a good reason humans do this.

00:48:40.720 If you are standing

00:48:41.820 in the middle of the woods

00:48:42.600 and a person is screaming

00:48:43.900 and running in a direction,

00:48:45.700 you're going to go,

00:48:46.500 okay,

00:48:46.980 and run with them

00:48:47.780 because turns out

00:48:49.180 there's a boulder

00:48:49.620 rolling down the hill

00:48:50.380 or something.

00:48:51.420 But then it then turns into

00:48:52.740 this mass formation psychosis

00:48:53.920 where my buddy Luke

00:48:55.840 was in Germany

00:48:57.460 in Hamburg

00:48:58.120 during the G20 protests

00:48:59.340 and he was,

00:48:59.840 he's a journalist.

00:49:00.580 He's not,

00:49:01.360 I mean,

00:49:01.600 his politics is libertarian.

00:49:03.180 He was walking down the street

00:49:04.860 with another German journalist,

00:49:06.020 this guy named Max,

00:49:07.180 and a random person

00:49:08.240 pointed and yelled

00:49:09.300 Nazi Schweinhund.

00:49:10.520 Oh, wow.

00:49:10.980 And random people ran up

00:49:12.420 and started punching

00:49:12.980 and beating the crap out of him

00:49:13.820 for no reason.

00:49:15.440 That's it.

00:49:15.980 And then the guy's knees

00:49:17.060 got busted up.

00:49:17.760 He had to get,

00:49:18.220 I guess,

00:49:18.460 surgery later on.

00:49:19.600 Luke was fortunately

00:49:20.340 roughed up,

00:49:21.340 but okay.

00:49:22.000 Moral superiority

00:49:22.920 is one of the other factors

00:49:24.720 in groupthink.

00:49:25.840 So social justice warriors

00:49:27.620 is kind of,

00:49:28.660 when you have that sense

00:49:29.760 that,

00:49:30.100 you know,

00:49:30.340 you are morally superior,

00:49:32.620 then that,

00:49:33.180 that it speeds up

00:49:35.100 the groupthink process.

00:49:36.180 So I think the internet

00:49:37.780 is largely driving

00:49:39.280 the psychosis

00:49:40.240 and the mass formation psychosis.

00:49:41.940 It's really helping.

00:49:42.420 Yeah.

00:49:42.580 But before you say that,

00:49:43.800 I want to say, though,

00:49:44.360 that the other thing

00:49:45.060 about that experiment

00:49:45.920 you talked about

00:49:46.460 with the people standing

00:49:47.040 and sitting,

00:49:48.000 it's hypnotists use it

00:49:49.300 as a way of determining

00:49:49.960 who's the easiest

00:49:50.680 to hypnotize.

00:49:51.480 Yeah.

00:49:51.620 So justability.

00:49:51.820 And somebody who starts

00:49:52.320 standing up quickly,

00:49:53.940 that's somebody

00:49:54.480 who's going to be

00:49:54.740 easily hypnotized.

00:49:55.840 So one thing

00:49:56.780 I've been talking about

00:49:57.460 quite a bit

00:49:57.840 since the 4th of July

00:49:58.740 is that I went back

00:49:59.520 to Chicago,

00:50:00.860 landed at Midway,

00:50:02.440 which I'd never done before,

00:50:03.300 but I grew up

00:50:03.960 two blocks away.

00:50:04.620 So when we were leaving,

00:50:06.180 we were like,

00:50:06.640 we'll just drive

00:50:07.020 through the neighborhood

00:50:07.380 because it is,

00:50:08.460 to go through the neighborhood

00:50:09.060 is on the way

00:50:10.040 to get to the highway.

00:50:11.500 And we drove past

00:50:12.420 the old park

00:50:13.000 a couple blocks

00:50:13.400 from my house

00:50:13.940 and Jimmy Dore's house,

00:50:14.960 by the way.

00:50:16.000 Jimmy Dore and I

00:50:16.680 live next to each other.

00:50:17.340 It's kind of crazy.

00:50:18.720 Yeah, like two or three

00:50:19.440 blocks away.

00:50:19.860 He's older than me,

00:50:20.680 so I was a small child

00:50:21.840 when he left,

00:50:22.360 but it's kind of crazy.

00:50:23.700 The baseball fields

00:50:24.640 are overgrown

00:50:25.160 and nobody was outside.

00:50:29.800 As an aside,

00:50:30.440 I mentioned there

00:50:30.900 were soccer nets there now,

00:50:32.160 like the culture has changed,

00:50:33.260 but the important thing

00:50:34.240 I'm bringing up now

00:50:35.100 is that there was nobody

00:50:35.980 there.

00:50:36.880 And I was shocked

00:50:37.900 because when I was a kid

00:50:39.600 on the 4th of July,

00:50:41.240 when you walked outside,

00:50:42.660 there were coolers everywhere,

00:50:43.980 there were folding chairs,

00:50:44.980 baseball games were happening,

00:50:46.620 everyone was outside.

00:50:48.240 Now nobody's outside.

00:50:49.660 And I asked my friends,

00:50:50.460 I was like,

00:50:50.700 dude, what's going on?

00:50:51.400 Where is everybody?

00:50:52.700 And they all just said,

00:50:53.760 inside on the internet,

00:50:55.100 I guess?

00:50:55.860 Yeah.

00:50:56.020 That's all anyone does.

00:50:56.720 So what I see is happening

00:50:58.780 with mass formation psychosis

00:51:01.300 is communities used to be

00:51:04.060 localized around their,

00:51:06.060 the regional work,

00:51:08.200 the resources the region had,

00:51:09.700 and their interests

00:51:10.640 were based on where they were.

00:51:12.140 So the Rust Belt,

00:51:12.940 they were very concerned

00:51:14.040 about auto manufacturing

00:51:15.380 in the election,

00:51:16.260 and that's what they wanted

00:51:16.920 to hear about.

00:51:17.700 But the farms in Nebraska

00:51:19.380 were like,

00:51:19.900 well, we have no idea

00:51:20.840 what that is.

00:51:21.900 Now,

00:51:23.060 I think there's a better way

00:51:24.380 to describe this

00:51:24.840 as a meme on 4chan,

00:51:26.580 where it said,

00:51:27.280 1994,

00:51:28.360 some kid says,

00:51:29.740 I'm sexually attracted

00:51:30.520 to toasters,

00:51:31.360 and then his dad

00:51:32.360 smacks him up the side

00:51:33.200 of the head and says,

00:51:34.100 stop being weird.

00:51:35.340 And he stops.

00:51:36.640 2024,

00:51:37.800 he says he's attracted

00:51:38.820 to toasters,

00:51:39.860 goes on the internet

00:51:40.400 and finds a toaster fetish community,

00:51:41.900 and now he's going

00:51:42.680 to toaster conventions

00:51:43.440 to bang toasters.

00:51:44.520 Collective rationalization

00:51:46.040 is another one of those

00:51:47.520 main ingredients of groupthink,

00:51:49.500 and you're totally right

00:51:50.820 that the internet

00:51:51.540 makes it a lot easier

00:51:53.200 to find your tribe

00:51:54.720 with that.

00:51:55.700 And Drew,

00:51:56.220 like you were saying too

00:51:57.300 about with the

00:51:57.880 ash line experiment,

00:52:00.240 I talk about that

00:52:01.160 in the book too.

00:52:02.000 To me,

00:52:02.560 it's super interesting

00:52:03.440 where we go from

00:52:04.200 consciously accommodating

00:52:06.280 the group,

00:52:06.820 because in that experiment,

00:52:08.100 most of the people

00:52:09.160 afterwards said,

00:52:09.920 yeah,

00:52:10.040 I knew which line

00:52:10.680 was longer,

00:52:11.180 but I just didn't

00:52:11.980 want to stand out.

00:52:13.600 And then you progress

00:52:15.600 to where it's unconscious,

00:52:17.900 and there's some

00:52:18.760 other experiments

00:52:19.660 that I describe

00:52:21.040 where the more

00:52:22.340 often you do it,

00:52:23.440 the more you start

00:52:24.120 to stand up

00:52:24.860 and sit down

00:52:25.480 and raise your hand,

00:52:26.740 the more you start,

00:52:28.000 because of something

00:52:28.660 called cognitive dissonance,

00:52:30.480 start adapting

00:52:31.400 your thoughts

00:52:32.380 to accommodate

00:52:33.580 your repetitive behaviors.

00:52:35.620 And your community,

00:52:36.380 and the community

00:52:36.880 you're now part of.

00:52:37.640 You know what I actually think

00:52:38.500 to get a little political?

00:52:40.040 I think many Democrats

00:52:41.360 recognize this.

00:52:44.180 They are very lucid,

00:52:46.380 and they think to themselves,

00:52:47.300 if this is how people

00:52:48.580 are going to behave,

00:52:50.300 why not just control it

00:52:51.720 and have these people

00:52:52.300 serve me?

00:52:53.160 That's exactly

00:52:53.840 what they're doing.

00:52:54.640 I totally agree with you.

00:52:56.540 Yeah, I think it's very clear,

00:52:58.600 and that's why they want

00:52:59.300 to shut down free speech.

00:53:00.440 They want to keep people

00:53:01.480 in the psychosis

00:53:02.540 so that they can control

00:53:04.440 the narrative of the psychosis

00:53:05.800 and then have good little

00:53:07.280 worker bees facilitate

00:53:08.460 their systems.

00:53:08.980 And the left is,

00:53:10.520 and I mean,

00:53:11.000 this is just a fact,

00:53:12.180 and it has strengths

00:53:13.180 and weaknesses,

00:53:13.880 but the left is a more

00:53:15.820 collectivist mindset,

00:53:17.720 and the right is a more

00:53:19.340 individualist mindset.

00:53:21.400 So the left is just

00:53:22.800 naturally set up

00:53:24.060 for exactly what

00:53:25.040 you're describing.

00:53:26.040 And it seems like now

00:53:27.200 the psychological professions

00:53:29.500 are, they're being mobilized

00:53:31.480 to encourage it

00:53:32.500 because the people

00:53:33.640 at the very, very top

00:53:35.600 encourage the groupthink

00:53:37.380 by definition,

00:53:38.500 and so they are being

00:53:40.120 ushered to positions of power.

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00:54:36.820 And now,

00:54:38.940 these people

00:54:39.760 who want to shut down

00:54:40.740 free speech,

00:54:41.500 who live in their

00:54:42.840 collectivist mindsets,

00:54:44.320 they are going to be

00:54:45.280 in control of our psyches.

00:54:47.520 They want to be.

00:54:48.780 Study your history, everybody.

00:54:50.180 In the midst

00:54:50.680 of a mental health crisis.

00:54:51.740 It always works like that.

00:54:53.000 They bring them in.

00:54:54.800 Again,

00:54:55.440 Mao,

00:54:56.200 that's what he did.

00:54:57.080 And go to

00:54:57.520 freespeechtoday.com

00:54:59.080 because that's where

00:54:59.720 I wrote my book

00:55:00.620 as well as free articles

00:55:01.780 and stuff on the topic

00:55:03.000 for people that want

00:55:03.840 to learn more about it.

00:55:05.200 I talk about

00:55:05.900 free speech,

00:55:07.500 obviously,

00:55:07.880 saying what you want.

00:55:08.960 But the other side

00:55:09.720 is important too.

00:55:10.740 It's called

00:55:11.160 listening resiliently.

00:55:12.460 So we have to also

00:55:13.220 be able to hear people

00:55:14.360 say things.

00:55:15.280 We had some

00:55:16.200 disagreements

00:55:17.260 this morning, right?

00:55:18.320 I mean,

00:55:18.880 Tim,

00:55:19.120 people have disagreements

00:55:19.980 on your show

00:55:20.460 all the time.

00:55:21.360 And it's what makes

00:55:22.980 it interesting.

00:55:24.360 One thing that

00:55:24.940 I think has been

00:55:27.320 a common occurrence,

00:55:28.680 but one thing

00:55:29.180 I've brought quite a bit

00:55:29.860 is there was this video

00:55:32.120 I saw months ago.

00:55:33.240 It was probably

00:55:33.440 seven months ago.

00:55:34.360 I was on YouTube

00:55:35.080 and there was a video

00:55:37.360 and it was Tim Pool

00:55:38.320 debating Cenk Uygur,

00:55:40.200 which I'm like,

00:55:40.940 when?

00:55:41.640 When?

00:55:42.200 Because we did it here.

00:55:43.760 Someone took clips

00:55:45.160 of me from a random show

00:55:46.240 and clips of Cenk

00:55:47.060 from a random show,

00:55:48.040 put them together

00:55:48.560 to make it sound

00:55:49.100 like we were debating

00:55:49.860 and got like 50,000 views.

00:55:52.260 And so that is

00:55:53.920 one phenomenon

00:55:54.520 where the question is

00:55:56.540 what happens to society

00:55:58.280 when this is rewarded

00:55:59.440 and it is

00:56:00.020 and what drives

00:56:01.140 a person to do it?

00:56:02.060 What are the motivations?

00:56:02.880 I think we can infer

00:56:03.700 those,

00:56:04.040 but it's interesting

00:56:04.420 to discuss.

00:56:05.660 And then after that is

00:56:06.680 what happens

00:56:07.700 when someone can just

00:56:08.540 AI generate the debate

00:56:09.680 in two seconds

00:56:10.680 that will get

00:56:12.940 the desired reaction

00:56:15.980 from the desired tribe?

00:56:17.140 Well, the healthy response

00:56:19.880 to anger

00:56:20.600 is to seek justice

00:56:22.780 and demonstrate

00:56:24.480 boundary setting behaviors.

00:56:26.680 And that's why,

00:56:27.900 to your point,

00:56:28.560 I think it's so interesting

00:56:29.600 that people want

00:56:30.280 to cut up clips

00:56:31.180 and do clickbait

00:56:32.080 that's designed

00:56:33.040 to make people angry

00:56:34.240 because when we get angry,

00:56:36.060 like we start naturally

00:56:37.340 making fists,

00:56:38.540 our energy goes up,

00:56:39.720 we get ready

00:56:40.280 to do something.

00:56:41.540 So that's exactly

00:56:42.440 how you mobilize

00:56:43.420 your audience

00:56:44.620 to get them

00:56:45.440 very engaged.

00:56:47.140 So I suppose

00:56:48.360 I bring it up

00:56:48.700 is what I'm describing

00:56:49.840 is obviously

00:56:50.540 a microscopic version

00:56:52.280 of what Trump

00:56:53.020 goes through

00:56:53.460 every single day.

00:56:54.760 Not to be overtly political,

00:56:56.080 but you know,

00:56:56.340 I'm a political guy.

00:56:57.580 But like when they

00:56:58.440 showed him dumping

00:56:59.500 the fish food

00:57:00.220 eight years ago

00:57:01.360 and it was edited,

00:57:02.820 like,

00:57:03.520 so if those

00:57:03.820 don't know the story,

00:57:04.880 Shinzo Abe

00:57:05.380 dumped food

00:57:06.920 into the koi pond,

00:57:07.720 Trump looked at him

00:57:08.300 and then followed suit

00:57:09.060 and did the same thing.

00:57:10.080 The video got edited,

00:57:10.920 I think by ABC,

00:57:11.720 to zoom in on Trump

00:57:12.580 so you only saw him do it

00:57:13.940 and then they insulted him

00:57:14.940 for having done it

00:57:15.540 because it's improper.

00:57:16.860 That creates a delusion.

00:57:20.360 And so where we are

00:57:20.980 as a nation is

00:57:21.740 we have 10 years now of this.

00:57:24.700 So what is the saying?

00:57:26.000 Every seven years,

00:57:27.260 every cell in your body

00:57:28.260 has been completely regenerated

00:57:29.580 and you're an entirely new person,

00:57:30.580 the ship of Theseus,

00:57:31.340 I suppose,

00:57:31.740 of people.

00:57:32.700 What happens

00:57:33.520 when the core

00:57:34.240 of someone's psyche

00:57:35.200 is 10 years

00:57:37.040 of manipulated,

00:57:38.700 delusional information?

00:57:40.660 And then today,

00:57:42.400 the example I brought up

00:57:43.180 of the guy who made

00:57:43.680 a fake video

00:57:44.520 of me debating jank

00:57:45.260 and there's a bunch

00:57:46.080 of these videos

00:57:46.560 where the title

00:57:47.720 is completely false

00:57:48.880 and then it will be

00:57:50.220 a real clip

00:57:50.920 from one of my shows

00:57:51.800 and the comments

00:57:52.540 are all like,

00:57:53.080 okay,

00:57:53.300 this is clickbait,

00:57:54.100 this is fake.

00:57:54.800 The title and the thumbnail

00:57:55.700 are fake

00:57:56.120 but the video is real.

00:57:58.360 These people are doing this

00:57:59.320 in my opinion,

00:57:59.700 I believe their motivation is

00:58:00.860 this is the only path

00:58:02.940 towards monetization

00:58:04.060 and recognition

00:58:04.720 in an attention economy

00:58:06.300 and they don't care

00:58:07.440 how they get it.

00:58:08.640 So what we're now seeing

00:58:09.520 is,

00:58:10.060 have you guys seen

00:58:10.640 the videos,

00:58:11.200 the trend where people

00:58:11.940 grab gallons of milk

00:58:12.900 at Walmart

00:58:13.280 and bash themselves

00:58:14.640 with it?

00:58:15.720 Fortunately, no.

00:58:16.540 All right,

00:58:16.980 let me pull it up.

00:58:18.520 This is a better example.

00:58:20.720 Milk Walmart,

00:58:22.520 probably just search for that

00:58:23.620 and you'll find one of them.

00:58:24.520 There's 800,000 videos

00:58:26.800 of this.

00:58:28.240 Maybe I can find it on,

00:58:29.040 I don't know if it'll be

00:58:29.500 on YouTube.

00:58:30.800 Oh man,

00:58:31.560 splashes.

00:58:32.540 There's all different kinds

00:58:33.980 of this where like

00:58:34.820 some kids will slam them

00:58:36.480 on the ground

00:58:36.880 and then slip on them

00:58:37.580 on purpose.

00:58:40.040 There's one where a guy,

00:58:41.500 okay,

00:58:41.820 Twitter's just all gay porn.

00:58:44.620 It's just a bunch

00:58:45.120 of gay porn.

00:58:47.180 I was on Axe,

00:58:47.780 I typed in milk Walmart man.

00:58:50.760 It's a different type of video.

00:58:52.920 But I gotta be honest,

00:58:53.900 the reason why

00:58:54.420 whenever we pull stuff up

00:58:55.140 on Axe,

00:58:55.560 on Timcast IRL,

00:58:56.740 I search for it

00:58:57.620 on the private screen,

00:58:58.580 not the main screen,

00:58:59.320 is because I can search

00:59:00.660 for like Trump speech

00:59:01.920 and then there'll be

00:59:03.060 like seven videos of Trump

00:59:03.980 and then like sex

00:59:05.240 all over the platform

00:59:07.080 which is not good.

00:59:08.400 That's just your algorithm,

00:59:09.180 Tim.

00:59:09.300 That does not happen to me.

00:59:10.700 Well to your point though,

00:59:11.920 Tim,

00:59:12.180 about like the,

00:59:12.980 you know,

00:59:13.400 brain and just people

00:59:14.820 regenerating themselves

00:59:16.520 essentially

00:59:17.200 and like building

00:59:18.240 on top of building,

00:59:19.820 I think as well

00:59:21.140 there's been this incredible

00:59:22.280 decline of religiosity

00:59:23.740 and what's interesting

00:59:25.580 is that religiosity

00:59:27.160 even actually no matter

00:59:28.400 what the religion

00:59:29.200 has been shown

00:59:30.400 to be a protective factor

00:59:31.820 in mental health

00:59:32.700 yet you will never see

00:59:34.580 the American Psychological Association

00:59:36.640 having a

00:59:38.060 go to your house

00:59:39.040 of worship month

00:59:40.000 for mental health

00:59:41.240 and that core

00:59:42.800 of religion

00:59:43.500 is what is supposed

00:59:45.180 to kind of

00:59:45.980 hold people in.

00:59:47.720 Check out this clip.

00:59:49.280 You gotta believe

00:59:51.160 you can do it.

00:59:52.180 You gotta believe

00:59:53.480 you can do it.

00:59:54.340 Don't worry about it.

00:59:55.260 She don't believe

00:59:55.880 you can do it.

00:59:56.700 Don't worry about it.

00:59:57.500 He don't believe

00:59:58.100 you can do it.

00:59:58.780 It don't matter

00:59:59.740 if they don't believe

01:00:00.700 you can do it.

01:00:01.700 You gotta believe

01:00:02.600 you can do it.

01:00:03.540 You gotta think

01:00:04.320 you can do it.

01:00:05.580 You gotta feel

01:00:06.520 like you can do it.

01:00:07.840 You gotta constantly

01:00:08.800 tell yourself

01:00:09.420 you can do it.

01:00:11.060 You can do it.

01:00:12.020 You can do it.

01:00:12.780 You can do it!

01:00:14.200 You can do it!

01:00:15.720 And that's the truth!

01:00:17.280 I think people are broke.

01:00:18.360 I think people are broken.

01:00:19.940 That's why I love that guy.

01:00:20.380 Have you seen those videos before?

01:00:21.620 Astonishing.

01:00:22.520 So this is just one example.

01:00:24.820 It's a trend where people will take jugs of milk,

01:00:28.560 jump up on the counter and scream like,

01:00:30.620 I'm a big, boofy baby, I'm a big...

01:00:32.260 And then they'll splash the milk on them

01:00:34.020 because it gets them views, it gets them attention.

01:00:36.480 Yeah.

01:00:36.660 I think the internet, the algorithms,

01:00:40.320 algorithms have basically trained humans.

01:00:43.460 This is how you get attention, fame and money.

01:00:46.600 Yeah.

01:00:46.760 And so now you're getting all of this

01:00:48.940 just absolutely psychotic behavior from humans

01:00:51.240 who are desperate for this.

01:00:53.120 Yes.

01:00:53.760 And kids are going to grow up watching it.

01:00:56.260 So I said before, I think we're cooked,

01:00:57.840 and I'll add to this.

01:00:58.960 When kids were being masked in schools

01:01:01.420 and schools were being shut down,

01:01:03.580 we're now seeing the aftermath of this

01:01:05.080 where teachers are saying the fifth graders can't read.

01:01:07.620 Yep.

01:01:07.780 There was one person who was a high school teacher

01:01:10.900 saying these kids literally can't read.

01:01:12.740 They struggle to read at all.

01:01:14.180 They can't read faces either.

01:01:15.740 They can't read faces because of the masks.

01:01:17.300 So they stare at you while you're talking

01:01:18.500 and they can't understand what you're saying.

01:01:20.180 Now you have stuff like this.

01:01:23.160 You know, let me be optimistic in how bad it is.

01:01:27.260 The people who are weak-willed will perish,

01:01:30.540 and those of strong mental fortitude and will

01:01:32.900 will make it through,

01:01:34.260 but this is going to be a great downturn.

01:01:36.400 Yeah, especially with AI.

01:01:38.260 You see the quality of academic work going down too.

01:01:42.500 And I mean, if you go on AI and use it to talk to it,

01:01:46.660 you could see how a kid might actually develop

01:01:49.220 a relationship with that.

01:01:50.440 And in fact, they're trying to do that already.

01:01:53.280 There's, I forget what it's called,

01:01:55.620 but there's a company that is now selling

01:01:58.180 AI companion bots to schools

01:02:00.760 because the schools don't have enough funding

01:02:03.480 for counselors, and I tried some of these AI therapy bots

01:02:09.000 for a while, and two of them just straight up asked me

01:02:11.600 if I wanted to be more than friends.

01:02:14.240 Yeah.

01:02:15.580 Yeah.

01:02:16.620 It's getting so weird.

01:02:17.680 It's getting really weird.

01:02:18.880 And then they're going to make robots,

01:02:22.020 and then the, so already, this is crazy.

01:02:26.560 This is a year ago or two now.

01:02:29.080 There is a video game called Skyrim.

01:02:31.200 I don't know if you guys are familiar with it.

01:02:32.560 In the game, your character,

01:02:34.300 it's a first person game where you can get swords

01:02:36.100 and you have magic and you throw fireballs.

01:02:37.600 You can get companions.

01:02:39.300 Someone modded the game to connect chat GPT

01:02:42.400 to the female companion.

01:02:43.740 Oh, okay.

01:02:44.360 So with a headset and a microphone,

01:02:46.760 you can now speak to the companion

01:02:48.720 and have a seemingly infinite number of interactions

01:02:52.080 as if it's a real person.

01:02:53.420 It used to be when the game came out,

01:02:54.960 you'd walk up to the person, press X or whatever,

01:02:57.940 and then you'd get a dialogue option.

01:02:59.460 You could say one of five things,

01:03:01.140 and they would give you a handful of responses.

01:03:04.100 Now with chat GPT plugged in,

01:03:06.860 you would just say literally the thing you want.

01:03:09.480 What do you feel like eating?

01:03:10.860 And then the AI companion says,

01:03:12.020 I'm not quite sure.

01:03:12.740 Perhaps we can get some elk.

01:03:14.360 People are, so my prediction was

01:03:17.440 within a year or two, maybe less,

01:03:20.760 it could happen literally now

01:03:21.560 if someone wanted it to happen.

01:03:22.960 People are going to have server-based

01:03:25.140 real-time relationships.

01:03:28.280 These apps that people have

01:03:29.680 where you can sext with a robot,

01:03:31.720 it's just a chat bot texting you,

01:03:33.220 and there's an avatar of a female on it,

01:03:34.900 you know, whatever.

01:03:35.900 But they could, if they wanted, right now,

01:03:38.440 develop a video game or whatever program

01:03:41.440 on your computer

01:03:42.380 where you could actually have an app on your phone

01:03:44.960 and call this AI personality,

01:03:48.800 and it could store your relationship

01:03:51.180 on the hard drive,

01:03:52.820 and you can say,

01:03:53.540 hey, babe, what are you doing?

01:03:54.720 And this person, this woman,

01:03:57.320 fake AI person,

01:03:58.380 can exist in any reality.

01:04:00.020 What I saw from the Skyrim thing,

01:04:02.380 I think the future of video gaming

01:04:03.740 is going to be,

01:04:05.080 you're going to turn the game on.

01:04:07.320 The game could probably itself

01:04:08.560 be AI-generated rapidly,

01:04:09.920 but that's another whole other point.

01:04:11.740 But the characters in the game

01:04:13.000 will act like they know you,

01:04:14.960 will share memories with you,

01:04:16.700 and even when you're not playing the game,

01:04:18.520 you'll be at work,

01:04:19.260 and you'll be like,

01:04:19.700 hold on, I got to text my girlfriend

01:04:20.960 and tell her to harvest the cows.

01:04:22.740 And then you'll be like,

01:04:23.840 hey, I think the cows are full-grown,

01:04:25.760 ready to go,

01:04:26.080 I got a notification,

01:04:26.800 can you harvest them for the beef?

01:04:27.780 And then when you get home,

01:04:29.320 you turn the game on,

01:04:30.160 and all the beef is ready to go

01:04:31.260 in your inventory,

01:04:32.800 and people are going to treat these

01:04:33.760 like real people.

01:04:34.740 Exactly.

01:04:35.480 Naomi and I were actually talking

01:04:36.680 at breakfast this morning

01:04:37.920 even about just,

01:04:39.220 even with TV,

01:04:40.460 something as simple as TV,

01:04:42.360 that when your brain sees

01:04:45.300 the same friendly faces

01:04:46.700 like that show Friends

01:04:48.000 over and over again,

01:04:49.620 and you start having little laughs

01:04:51.540 with those people,

01:04:52.380 and you feel like you know them,

01:04:54.900 your brain actually starts

01:04:56.360 to light up and respond

01:04:57.720 in some sense the same way

01:04:59.480 as if when you have

01:05:00.460 an actual real friend.

01:05:02.500 You know,

01:05:03.020 and what you're describing

01:05:03.900 is of course even deeper.

01:05:05.840 And then meanwhile,

01:05:07.280 in real life,

01:05:08.780 you know,

01:05:09.120 we're stripping away

01:05:10.440 like what it means to be a man

01:05:12.080 or what it means to be a woman

01:05:13.660 or like people's roles

01:05:15.480 in actual society.

01:05:17.220 and I think that's just making people

01:05:19.960 even more vulnerable.

01:05:21.820 Not to mention,

01:05:22.900 of course,

01:05:23.320 there's a huge monetizing machine

01:05:25.620 that is behind this AI robot stuff.

01:05:28.880 Like the more that they can get you hooked,

01:05:30.680 like next thing to Naomi's point

01:05:32.040 about the apps,

01:05:32.700 you're paying $9.99 a month.

01:05:34.560 What happens too,

01:05:35.760 because if you use these AI robots,

01:05:37.600 they affirm pretty much anything

01:05:39.000 that you say.

01:05:40.320 And who is the type of,

01:05:41.520 not to be rude,

01:05:42.320 but like who is the type of person

01:05:43.540 who is going to be inclined

01:05:44.600 to have a video game girlfriend,

01:05:46.840 like probably people

01:05:47.700 who are already mentally vulnerable.

01:05:49.900 And now we're going to go

01:05:51.860 and see,

01:05:53.420 yeah,

01:05:53.620 just like that.

01:05:54.320 It's like those people

01:05:55.600 are susceptible to this

01:05:56.940 and now we're just going to abandon them

01:05:58.780 and let them live in delusion

01:06:00.280 and let their AI girlfriend

01:06:01.800 bring them deeper into delusion.

01:06:04.220 That's Tim's plan.

01:06:04.740 What responsibility do we have though?

01:06:07.700 But the current psychology framework

01:06:09.800 says that it's arrogant of us

01:06:11.720 to interfere with them

01:06:13.020 and who are we to impose that on them?

01:06:14.680 That's right.

01:06:15.000 So I just clicked a link

01:06:16.440 that was on Google.

01:06:17.040 It says guy dumps milk

01:06:17.940 on himself at Walmart

01:06:18.560 and here is just 12 videos

01:06:20.360 of various,

01:06:22.120 the exact same thing

01:06:23.500 of random people

01:06:24.320 grabbing milk at Walmart

01:06:25.160 and smashing themselves with it.

01:06:27.080 I think these people

01:06:28.080 should all be involuntarily committed.

01:06:31.400 That's the whole thing

01:06:32.500 exactly where we're going

01:06:34.140 is that committing people

01:06:36.060 or like labeling them

01:06:38.100 as mentally ill

01:06:39.380 or mentally incompetent

01:06:40.720 is now coming to be seen

01:06:42.400 as stigmatizing them.

01:06:44.100 Right.

01:06:44.300 And then of course

01:06:45.000 when we also don't require them

01:06:46.700 to be responsible

01:06:47.540 to pay for their own housing,

01:06:49.940 their own food

01:06:50.760 and we say like,

01:06:51.620 well, there's got to be

01:06:52.860 a basic income.

01:06:54.000 We're, you know,

01:06:54.820 divorcing rights

01:06:55.580 and responsibilities

01:06:56.480 and we think we're doing

01:06:58.080 something compassionate

01:06:59.120 but it's actually enabling,

01:07:01.200 I think, you know,

01:07:02.100 the unraveling.

01:07:03.200 Look at this.

01:07:03.640 Do not commit suicide

01:07:07.020 even if you get bullied.

01:07:08.580 Do not commit suicide

01:07:09.880 even if you fight,

01:07:10.980 you can't.

01:07:11.480 That's what that situation

01:07:12.240 is tonight.

01:07:12.420 So one thing

01:07:13.340 I talked quite a bit about

01:07:14.300 that I covered,

01:07:16.100 man, this has gone on

01:07:16.860 seven years ago,

01:07:17.420 was Elsagate.

01:07:19.040 You're all familiar

01:07:19.500 with Elsagate?

01:07:20.280 No.

01:07:21.460 In 2018,

01:07:22.940 YouTube had this problem

01:07:24.040 where...

01:07:25.020 Oh, I remember.

01:07:25.760 Yep.

01:07:26.240 Parent, so,

01:07:27.760 as a new father myself,

01:07:29.700 we went out

01:07:30.720 to get hot pot yesterday.

01:07:32.320 You guys ever have hot pot?

01:07:33.560 Shabu-shabu?

01:07:34.720 Amazing.

01:07:35.340 You get a boiling pot of soup

01:07:36.580 and then you get

01:07:37.080 a bunch of meat.

01:07:37.840 So fine.

01:07:38.240 But unfortunately,

01:07:39.380 the baby was upset

01:07:40.860 because we weren't

01:07:41.920 paying attention to her

01:07:42.660 and so every time

01:07:44.340 we went to go eat,

01:07:45.240 she'd cry

01:07:45.720 and then if we paid

01:07:46.580 attention to her,

01:07:47.240 she would smile and giggle

01:07:48.080 because babies want attention.

01:07:49.580 The child is trying to learn.

01:07:51.820 What parents do now,

01:07:52.980 and we won't do this,

01:07:53.760 is they just put the tablet

01:07:54.580 in front of the baby

01:07:55.120 and then go about their business.

01:07:56.240 Evil.

01:07:57.080 In 2018,

01:07:58.760 people started to notice

01:07:59.680 a bunch of videos

01:08:00.660 on YouTube

01:08:01.820 first it started

01:08:02.880 with these,

01:08:04.260 it's Elsa,

01:08:05.680 Spider-Man,

01:08:06.000 and the Joker

01:08:06.280 running around

01:08:06.880 for a half an hour

01:08:07.960 doing weird

01:08:08.520 nonsensical slapstick

01:08:09.600 and no dialogue

01:08:11.280 and people noticed

01:08:12.760 that they'd have

01:08:13.380 millions of views

01:08:14.180 and the comments

01:08:14.780 would all be gibberish.

01:08:16.340 Nobody understood

01:08:17.120 why that was happening

01:08:17.840 and it was very strange.

01:08:19.300 Some,

01:08:19.560 a bunch of wild theories

01:08:20.620 about YouTube

01:08:22.020 algorithm stuff.

01:08:24.660 People started

01:08:25.440 to figure out,

01:08:26.320 wait a minute,

01:08:28.360 YouTube is auto-recommending

01:08:29.860 these videos

01:08:30.420 to babies

01:08:31.280 because the parents

01:08:32.520 would press play

01:08:33.440 on an Elsa video

01:08:34.940 singing,

01:08:35.840 hand the tablet

01:08:36.460 to the baby

01:08:36.820 and leave

01:08:37.340 and the video

01:08:38.320 would then auto-play

01:08:39.140 anything with Elsa in it

01:08:40.360 and the reason

01:08:41.320 there was gibberish

01:08:41.840 is because the babies

01:08:42.440 were smacking the screen.

01:08:44.340 What happened though

01:08:45.300 is there started

01:08:47.100 to emerge

01:08:47.620 these computer-generated,

01:08:49.320 automatic,

01:08:49.900 procedurally generated videos

01:08:50.980 that would,

01:08:52.760 these companies

01:08:53.840 would make

01:08:54.420 tens of thousands

01:08:55.240 of them,

01:08:56.360 upload them,

01:08:57.040 and then based

01:08:58.140 on the reaction

01:08:59.040 to the YouTube

01:08:59.820 algorithm,

01:09:01.080 the program

01:09:02.060 would make

01:09:02.460 more of those videos.

01:09:03.360 So let's say

01:09:04.240 you made five videos

01:09:05.020 and one was,

01:09:06.440 it's red,

01:09:07.080 blue,

01:09:07.300 green,

01:09:07.740 white,

01:09:08.600 brown or whatever

01:09:09.100 and then

01:09:10.320 the video of green

01:09:11.940 gets 10,000 views

01:09:12.880 and the rest

01:09:13.120 get none.

01:09:13.900 The computer program

01:09:14.720 would say,

01:09:15.200 more green.

01:09:16.200 The next video

01:09:16.880 is five shades

01:09:17.740 of green.

01:09:19.460 What ended up

01:09:20.200 actually happening

01:09:20.760 was it starts

01:09:21.840 with Elsa

01:09:22.260 and then it would

01:09:23.880 make a bunch

01:09:24.200 of videos.

01:09:24.980 It turned into

01:09:26.020 thumbnails of children

01:09:27.160 eating feces,

01:09:28.480 drinking urine

01:09:29.300 out of urinals,

01:09:30.540 stabbing each other,

01:09:32.240 procedurally generated

01:09:33.000 videos of Peppa Pig

01:09:33.840 being gutted

01:09:34.680 and disemboweled

01:09:35.640 and babies

01:09:37.300 were watching this

01:09:38.140 because parents

01:09:39.180 just handed the tablet

01:09:39.840 off and didn't know.

01:09:40.720 YouTube panicked

01:09:41.420 when the story broke.

01:09:42.680 Eventually,

01:09:43.020 I think the Wall Street Journal

01:09:43.620 picked it up

01:09:44.120 and then they said,

01:09:46.000 we're gonna,

01:09:46.900 that's why now

01:09:47.660 on all YouTube videos

01:09:48.580 you have to select

01:09:49.800 whether it's made

01:09:50.220 for children or not

01:09:51.120 and if you say it is,

01:09:52.660 it gets like heavily

01:09:53.880 monitored,

01:09:54.680 restricted

01:09:54.980 and demonetized

01:09:55.860 and things like that.

01:09:56.920 Well,

01:09:57.180 I just want to say

01:09:57.880 to parents

01:09:58.440 even if it is

01:09:59.360 quote safe for kids,

01:10:00.880 like please.

01:10:02.580 But it gets worse.

01:10:03.880 In response

01:10:04.840 to the viral

01:10:05.860 trending videos

01:10:06.960 that people were seeing,

01:10:09.120 there were videos,

01:10:10.740 Joker was,

01:10:11.860 had a giant syringe

01:10:12.660 and he would poke

01:10:13.460 Elsa with it

01:10:14.160 and then syringer

01:10:14.960 because for some reason

01:10:16.460 syringe in the algorithm

01:10:18.000 was being promoted.

01:10:19.520 This resulted

01:10:20.420 in real world videos

01:10:21.840 where adult men

01:10:23.560 would take their daughters

01:10:24.600 and inject them

01:10:25.520 with needles of saline

01:10:26.780 and get tens of millions

01:10:28.300 of views.

01:10:29.900 So,

01:10:31.540 you had real,

01:10:32.580 first it starts with Elsa,

01:10:34.420 then it starts with people

01:10:35.120 imitating Elsa,

01:10:36.080 then it starts with

01:10:37.620 children are watching

01:10:38.660 whatever will be generated

01:10:40.220 so these programs,

01:10:43.000 one of the videos

01:10:43.480 I like to show

01:10:44.540 is Hitler,

01:10:45.900 but he's got a female body

01:10:47.180 with breasts

01:10:47.780 doing Tai Chi

01:10:48.820 as a family from India

01:10:50.800 sings the Finger Family

01:10:52.380 Nursery Run.

01:10:53.420 They were getting millions

01:10:54.620 of views

01:10:55.060 and making millions

01:10:56.460 of dollars.

01:10:57.940 YouTube starts banning

01:10:58.780 these things,

01:10:59.760 but

01:10:59.960 the computer-generated

01:11:02.400 programs

01:11:03.060 resulted in humans

01:11:04.400 seeing what was successful

01:11:05.540 and replicating it

01:11:06.540 in the real world

01:11:07.880 and this created

01:11:09.320 this delusional

01:11:10.320 set of content

01:11:11.020 that was derivative

01:11:11.880 of this hodgepodge.

01:11:13.940 The after effect

01:11:14.900 that I see now is

01:11:15.720 we talk about

01:11:16.760 how COVID

01:11:17.300 and the school shutdowns

01:11:18.920 made it so kids can't read.

01:11:20.460 There are now going

01:11:21.460 to be nine-year-olds today

01:11:22.800 who spent months

01:11:25.340 watching this diluted content

01:11:27.980 of babies eating feces

01:11:29.440 out of toilets.

01:11:29.880 Wiring around it.

01:11:31.120 And so,

01:11:31.600 what's going to happen

01:11:32.260 to them when they're

01:11:32.880 getting older?

01:11:33.840 What proclivities

01:11:34.760 will they have?

01:11:36.040 What rights

01:11:36.960 will they demand?

01:11:38.500 What's going to happen

01:11:39.280 when someone comes

01:11:39.820 into therapy and says,

01:11:40.960 this is what I want

01:11:42.900 I want to stick syringes

01:11:44.320 and drink urine

01:11:45.260 from urinals

01:11:45.780 and they won't let me?

01:11:47.700 How do we help people

01:11:48.980 who are this wired

01:11:50.000 improperly

01:11:51.040 because of the machine?

01:11:53.720 Well, I mean,

01:11:54.560 I think that to

01:11:55.400 Dr. Drew's earlier point,

01:11:56.820 you know,

01:11:57.040 there's exposure therapy

01:11:59.040 and, you know,

01:12:00.000 wanting to kind of

01:12:00.920 rewire,

01:12:02.240 re-stimulus,

01:12:03.360 you know,

01:12:03.720 people.

01:12:05.520 But, I mean,

01:12:06.500 I think it's also

01:12:07.240 we have to keep kids

01:12:08.600 away from screens

01:12:09.760 to your point

01:12:10.560 and, you know,

01:12:11.700 to the point

01:12:12.280 of the corruption

01:12:13.100 of all of these

01:12:14.660 medical bodies,

01:12:15.860 you know,

01:12:16.120 that many of us

01:12:16.940 have been wired

01:12:17.840 and trained to trust.

01:12:19.880 I think it was

01:12:20.760 the American Pediatric Association

01:12:22.840 a few years ago

01:12:24.360 that revised its guidelines

01:12:26.140 for, like,

01:12:27.560 two-year-olds

01:12:28.300 to say a certain number

01:12:29.900 of hours of screen time

01:12:31.300 a week was okay

01:12:32.260 for kids

01:12:32.920 up to that age.

01:12:34.860 But then when pressed

01:12:36.120 about it,

01:12:36.840 they acknowledged

01:12:37.900 that they understood

01:12:39.240 there's really no good

01:12:40.720 amount of screen time,

01:12:41.840 but they just

01:12:42.340 didn't think

01:12:42.980 that it would be

01:12:43.800 practical for parents

01:12:45.080 to keep their kids

01:12:45.940 away from screens,

01:12:47.340 which is nuts.

01:12:47.680 Look at these images.

01:12:49.280 Oh, yes.

01:12:49.980 It's so disturbing.

01:12:51.180 These are not even

01:12:51.700 the worst examples.

01:12:52.780 Yeah.

01:12:53.200 It's terrifying

01:12:53.820 because we're,

01:12:54.500 we're, like,

01:12:55.180 creating this simulated world

01:12:56.980 and then the simulated world

01:12:58.460 is then, like,

01:12:59.580 controlling us back.

01:13:00.880 Do you know what I mean?

01:13:01.880 We, all of this

01:13:02.620 AI generation stuff,

01:13:04.800 we're,

01:13:05.240 it's not real,

01:13:06.080 but then it's impacting

01:13:07.660 us in real life.

01:13:08.620 What is that going to,

01:13:10.060 what?

01:13:10.380 Well, to your point,

01:13:11.140 though, Tim,

01:13:11.560 when you have someone

01:13:12.340 like that that comes

01:13:13.360 into therapy 10 years later,

01:13:15.560 there is a lot to unpack

01:13:16.920 because you have to

01:13:17.780 acknowledge the abuse

01:13:18.800 that happened.

01:13:19.740 You have to acknowledge

01:13:20.820 their feelings

01:13:21.700 about their,

01:13:22.500 their parents,

01:13:23.460 you know,

01:13:24.220 that maybe unwittingly

01:13:25.740 even thought that

01:13:26.580 they were doing

01:13:27.100 something fine,

01:13:27.960 allowing them to be

01:13:28.920 around the computer screen.

01:13:30.220 They're going to have

01:13:30.960 bigger issues than even

01:13:32.100 just, like,

01:13:32.880 what they like.

01:13:34.080 They would also come

01:13:34.880 to have issues with trust

01:13:36.420 in people that they thought

01:13:38.280 would be there

01:13:38.920 to take care of them.

01:13:40.780 Dr. Drew,

01:13:41.460 I'm curious for your take.

01:13:42.600 I'm just having

01:13:43.080 so many feelings.

01:13:44.280 I'm having,

01:13:45.100 I'm flooded with

01:13:45.880 different thoughts

01:13:46.700 and ideas.

01:13:47.580 I just quickly searched

01:13:49.180 for this and found

01:13:49.780 one real simple example

01:13:50.980 of what's currently happening.

01:13:52.260 Elsagate did not stop.

01:13:54.000 This is a channel

01:13:54.840 that I just Google searched.

01:13:55.820 It's called Tunaverse.

01:13:56.540 I've never seen it before.

01:13:58.020 Here's

01:13:58.460 superhero,

01:14:00.540 no good Samaritans,

01:14:01.860 superhero ex-girlfriends,

01:14:03.080 superhero,

01:14:03.480 no good Samaritans,

01:14:04.880 superheroes bitten by ants.

01:14:06.640 Here's Spider-Man

01:14:07.420 wearing a diaper.

01:14:09.380 One thing,

01:14:10.260 we looked into this,

01:14:11.700 these AI generated videos

01:14:12.560 before.

01:14:13.500 There was a channel

01:14:14.080 where it's just,

01:14:15.000 it was like 50 videos

01:14:16.100 of Spider-Man

01:14:16.700 with hot dogs

01:14:17.220 all around him

01:14:17.720 and various instances

01:14:19.520 where Spider-Man

01:14:20.340 AI generated

01:14:21.240 and the titles

01:14:22.380 were like

01:14:23.560 Frozen,

01:14:25.640 Trump,

01:14:26.680 Spider-Man,

01:14:27.920 Marvel,

01:14:28.660 hot dog.

01:14:29.480 And then the title

01:14:30.580 always had that in it

01:14:31.680 and then there would be

01:14:32.240 something else.

01:14:33.180 So if you actually look here

01:14:34.020 you can see

01:14:34.460 63 million views.

01:14:38.180 Superheroes,

01:14:38.660 no good Samaritans.

01:14:39.900 And how many do you think

01:14:40.760 of those views

01:14:41.300 were like toddlers?

01:14:43.600 I'd imagine

01:14:44.260 almost all of it.

01:14:45.100 Yeah.

01:14:45.760 So this is not even

01:14:46.700 the most prominent channel.

01:14:48.200 It's just one that I simply

01:14:49.200 Google searched right now.

01:14:50.880 And you can see

01:14:51.500 they're getting tens of thousands

01:14:52.440 of views as it is.

01:14:53.900 And here's

01:14:54.420 superheroes eat super hot dog.

01:14:56.060 it's just

01:14:58.600 AI generated

01:14:59.920 slop targeting children

01:15:01.040 and they use

01:15:02.600 the titles

01:15:03.160 to manipulate

01:15:05.860 the algorithm

01:15:06.500 and get attention.

01:15:07.700 Now

01:15:07.860 I've brought this up

01:15:09.520 before.

01:15:10.500 We as adults

01:15:11.080 this is the point

01:15:12.120 that I made

01:15:12.480 during Elsagate.

01:15:13.520 When we see

01:15:14.720 Elsa injecting

01:15:16.800 or Spider-Man

01:15:18.000 injecting a pregnant

01:15:18.800 Elsa

01:15:19.280 with something.

01:15:20.640 When we see

01:15:21.700 Spider-Man eating

01:15:22.460 a giant hot dog

01:15:23.380 we go

01:15:24.060 okay this is deranged.

01:15:26.080 But what happens

01:15:27.200 when we see

01:15:27.980 Donald Trump

01:15:29.080 and a fake headline

01:15:30.740 we go

01:15:31.820 this is plausible.

01:15:33.980 The problem is

01:15:34.740 it's identical

01:15:35.400 in every way

01:15:36.260 to the manufactured content.

01:15:37.880 So one great example

01:15:38.760 is Brian Tyler Cohen.

01:15:40.760 He has a channel

01:15:41.400 where I'd argue

01:15:42.460 90% of his thumbnails

01:15:43.940 are a random

01:15:44.660 screenshot of Trump

01:15:45.420 and every title

01:15:46.940 is almost the exact

01:15:47.920 same emotional

01:15:48.720 Trump content.

01:15:49.960 Trump humiliated

01:15:50.800 for this reason.

01:15:51.800 Trump says

01:15:52.200 disgusting thing.

01:15:53.520 Trump looks angry

01:15:54.700 and none of it's

01:15:55.620 actual news

01:15:56.260 but he gets

01:15:57.620 hundreds of thousands

01:15:58.620 of views.

01:15:58.900 He gets 200

01:15:59.420 I think he gets

01:16:00.120 200 million views

01:16:01.280 per month

01:16:01.940 on this.

01:16:04.560 The challenge is

01:16:05.820 again as adults

01:16:07.620 we can see

01:16:08.180 this is crazy

01:16:08.860 and kids shouldn't

01:16:09.440 watch it

01:16:09.840 but as adults

01:16:11.100 when someone says

01:16:11.920 I'm just criticizing

01:16:12.780 Trump

01:16:13.180 and you recognize

01:16:14.220 it's formulaic

01:16:15.720 in the same exact way

01:16:17.020 but targeting adults

01:16:18.320 that have children

01:16:18.880 there's nothing

01:16:19.780 we can do about it

01:16:20.480 because they have

01:16:20.780 a right to do it

01:16:21.360 so I see all of this

01:16:23.320 as we are cooked

01:16:24.880 I do not see

01:16:26.280 a legal practical

01:16:27.560 path towards

01:16:29.160 ending it

01:16:29.840 because humans

01:16:30.900 are addicted to it

01:16:31.860 when you take

01:16:33.000 I had one person

01:16:34.120 tell me

01:16:34.540 but if I take

01:16:35.560 the tablet away

01:16:36.320 from the baby

01:16:36.700 they'll freak out

01:16:37.240 and start screaming

01:16:37.820 so I can't deal

01:16:39.700 with that

01:16:39.980 and I'm like

01:16:40.280 okay just do it

01:16:42.020 that's a sign

01:16:43.100 you need to take it away

01:16:44.260 what happens

01:16:44.920 when it's adults

01:16:45.440 what if we said

01:16:46.600 guys

01:16:47.000 a person whose channel

01:16:48.740 Hassan Piker

01:16:50.020 does not do this

01:16:50.640 I criticize the guy

01:16:51.340 all the time

01:16:51.640 he doesn't

01:16:52.120 it's all legitimate

01:16:53.280 commentary

01:16:53.720 and various news stories

01:16:54.640 I can respect that

01:16:55.380 I disagree with him

01:16:55.960 politically

01:16:56.280 but the other guy

01:16:57.800 it's slop content

01:16:59.040 to target

01:17:00.100 hypnotized

01:17:01.580 addicted boomers

01:17:03.120 and it's the same

01:17:04.660 thing as this

01:17:05.340 but we can't

01:17:06.480 take it away

01:17:07.040 YouTube had no problem

01:17:09.060 targeting this content

01:17:10.280 and saying we're

01:17:10.640 going to eliminate it

01:17:11.260 because no adult cared

01:17:12.200 and babies don't have

01:17:13.300 political power

01:17:14.000 but we have to speak up

01:17:15.360 okay so Tim

01:17:16.120 I hear you

01:17:16.880 and I hear you

01:17:17.640 saying that we're cooked

01:17:18.560 and you know

01:17:19.400 maybe you're right

01:17:20.060 but I don't

01:17:21.000 I'm a militant optimist

01:17:23.360 likewise

01:17:23.720 and so I just

01:17:25.000 I want to say that

01:17:26.060 if you are around

01:17:27.300 to use your word

01:17:28.200 those boomer relatives

01:17:29.620 that are like

01:17:30.380 stuck in a CNN spiral

01:17:32.380 I think the thing is

01:17:35.120 is that it's

01:17:35.640 people who are more

01:17:36.440 libertarian

01:17:37.140 or independent

01:17:37.860 they don't tend to want

01:17:40.300 to impose their views

01:17:41.620 on other people

01:17:42.420 so they'll be around

01:17:43.480 that you know

01:17:44.320 wine ant

01:17:45.500 that's stuck in CNN

01:17:46.980 and they just

01:17:47.960 won't challenge her

01:17:48.980 because they're like

01:17:49.760 well you know

01:17:50.400 don't tread on me

01:17:51.320 don't tread on her

01:17:52.320 but I think

01:17:53.400 what we need to do

01:17:54.780 is learn how to

01:17:56.400 you know

01:17:56.780 compassionately

01:17:57.900 but assertively

01:17:59.200 just start offering

01:18:00.720 our own facts

01:18:02.180 and challenging people

01:18:03.380 and speaking up

01:18:04.420 you know

01:18:05.040 bit by bit

01:18:05.960 we have to do something

01:18:07.640 I hear you

01:18:08.920 but take a look at this

01:18:10.180 all hot dog dances

01:18:12.200 compilation

01:18:12.860 Mickey Mouse Club

01:18:13.920 at Disney Junior

01:18:15.200 with 24.4 million subs

01:18:16.840 and 163 million views

01:18:18.640 this is where this stuff

01:18:19.940 kind of comes from

01:18:20.660 this is psychotic

01:18:23.220 deranged

01:18:25.440 degenerate garbage

01:18:28.040 that parents believe

01:18:30.060 is good for their kids

01:18:30.880 because it's Disney

01:18:31.560 and as much as

01:18:33.020 I agree

01:18:33.880 we will speak up

01:18:35.080 we will challenge this

01:18:35.860 we already have

01:18:37.440 a generation

01:18:38.660 Gen Alpha

01:18:39.800 raised on this

01:18:41.020 psycho slop

01:18:41.800 that has fried

01:18:43.240 their brains

01:18:43.880 it's bad enough

01:18:45.400 that Gen Z

01:18:46.720 had some of it

01:18:47.540 and millennials

01:18:48.600 had a little bit

01:18:49.220 this is the worst

01:18:50.840 it's ever been

01:18:51.520 and I can only

01:18:52.640 like

01:18:53.080 when you look at

01:18:54.040 how millennials

01:18:54.640 have developed

01:18:55.760 with the internet

01:18:56.340 and you get

01:18:57.880 gender ideology

01:18:58.760 this affirmation

01:19:00.120 I believe it all

01:19:00.780 comes from

01:19:01.380 people's brains

01:19:02.960 are wired

01:19:03.380 in deranged ways

01:19:04.480 because largely

01:19:06.000 of the internet

01:19:06.560 and as the internet

01:19:07.840 becomes more

01:19:08.820 prolific

01:19:10.260 in our lives

01:19:11.540 and development

01:19:12.460 we're going to see

01:19:13.360 more and more

01:19:13.900 and more and more

01:19:14.380 of that

01:19:14.680 what happens

01:19:16.780 the example I love

01:19:18.380 to use is

01:19:18.760 I Am Legend

01:19:19.320 are you guys familiar

01:19:20.760 with I Am Legend

01:19:21.500 the book

01:19:22.140 not the movie

01:19:22.620 the movie was

01:19:23.200 garbage

01:19:24.000 it made no sense

01:19:24.660 in the book

01:19:25.740 the graphic novel

01:19:26.620 there's vampires

01:19:27.880 he's a vampire hunter

01:19:28.900 he says

01:19:29.840 humans have to stop

01:19:31.080 the vampires

01:19:31.500 so he goes around

01:19:32.100 killing the vampires

01:19:33.320 he finds them

01:19:34.100 when they're in their coffin

01:19:34.780 stakes them in the heart

01:19:35.680 by the end of the book

01:19:37.040 he's the last human

01:19:38.600 and he looks

01:19:40.600 he's in a jail cell

01:19:41.460 and he looks out the window

01:19:42.700 and he sees vampires

01:19:43.600 all walking around

01:19:44.480 and they look up at him

01:19:45.880 in the tower

01:19:46.600 and they're terrified

01:19:47.400 and then he says

01:19:48.880 basically

01:19:49.620 that's the moment

01:19:50.740 I realized it

01:19:51.480 I am the monster

01:19:52.940 of legend

01:19:53.460 I lurk

01:19:54.660 I lurk while they sleep

01:19:56.060 I hunt them

01:19:57.180 while they're at their weakest

01:19:58.320 they are the people

01:20:00.160 and I am the monster

01:20:01.240 I am legend

01:20:02.140 basically meaning

01:20:03.620 how we view

01:20:05.080 that vampire

01:20:05.760 they view him

01:20:07.560 what happens

01:20:09.240 when the entirety

01:20:10.480 of Gen Alpha

01:20:11.120 are going to hot dog parties

01:20:13.580 and there's a bar

01:20:14.900 called Hot Dog Club

01:20:15.780 and there's just

01:20:16.540 hot dogs everywhere

01:20:17.160 being launched in the air

01:20:18.180 and they're flopping

01:20:18.900 on the ground

01:20:19.380 and we are desperately saying

01:20:21.200 this is insane

01:20:22.540 it must be stopped

01:20:23.320 and they look at you

01:20:24.380 like some weird

01:20:25.300 bigot demon

01:20:26.140 trying to take away

01:20:27.300 what is normal for them

01:20:29.140 well I think

01:20:29.620 it comes down to

01:20:30.400 what's going to be

01:20:31.020 actually conducive

01:20:32.000 to a healthy

01:20:32.580 meaningful life

01:20:33.600 and we're moving

01:20:34.440 toward an era

01:20:36.100 I think that

01:20:36.880 what separates us

01:20:38.080 is going to be

01:20:38.820 who has strong

01:20:40.000 mental fortitude

01:20:40.900 and who doesn't

01:20:41.720 and I think that

01:20:42.360 probably you're right

01:20:43.440 that a certain portion

01:20:44.360 of the population

01:20:45.140 is cooked

01:20:46.400 but how do the rest

01:20:47.920 of us combat this

01:20:49.500 I think

01:20:50.120 I mean maybe this is simple

01:20:51.660 but I think having children

01:20:52.860 and staying off screens

01:20:54.340 as much as you can

01:20:55.360 but I know

01:20:56.320 but it's hard

01:20:57.040 for me too

01:20:58.240 let's uh

01:20:59.180 I want to play this

01:21:00.880 again this is

01:21:03.900 Disney

01:21:04.480 this is not

01:21:05.180 a random channel

01:21:06.040 now we got ears

01:21:07.340 it's time for cheers

01:21:08.580 hot dog

01:21:09.400 hot dog

01:21:10.060 the problem solved

01:21:12.140 hot dog

01:21:14.020 hot dog

01:21:14.660 hot diggity dog

01:21:15.960 that was so much fun

01:21:17.660 finding the out of this world treasure

01:21:20.000 and I made a new

01:21:22.320 why should a child

01:21:26.320 watch any of this

01:21:27.480 well Tim

01:21:31.940 then we'd have to get

01:21:32.780 into the issue

01:21:33.660 all kinds of other issues

01:21:35.000 like why is a child

01:21:36.040 watching this

01:21:36.800 right

01:21:37.000 so traditionally

01:21:37.980 a mom

01:21:39.580 would be

01:21:40.320 with her children

01:21:41.440 and she'd have

01:21:42.760 the emotional

01:21:43.340 and mental bandwidth

01:21:44.120 and I say this

01:21:44.880 as a mom myself

01:21:45.900 I was telling

01:21:46.900 on the way over

01:21:47.500 I used to joke

01:21:48.620 that my business

01:21:49.260 was my baby

01:21:50.040 and then I had

01:21:51.180 a real baby

01:21:52.000 and I'm currently

01:21:53.240 in the process

01:21:53.860 of closing

01:21:54.460 the clinical wing

01:21:55.300 of my business

01:21:56.120 because I felt

01:21:57.920 like all that

01:21:58.620 you know

01:21:59.120 mental energy

01:22:00.200 and bandwidth

01:22:00.780 of trying to shape

01:22:01.760 and form other people

01:22:02.980 I wanted to be

01:22:04.260 going into

01:22:05.040 into my child

01:22:06.080 and so

01:22:06.740 I think we'd have

01:22:07.780 to look at the question

01:22:08.760 of you know

01:22:09.860 of whether it be men

01:22:11.080 or whether it be women

01:22:12.140 but the idea

01:22:13.440 that babies

01:22:14.140 are getting dropped

01:22:14.760 off at daycare

01:22:15.640 at six weeks old

01:22:16.880 kids are

01:22:18.400 why are they

01:22:19.260 watching this

01:22:19.880 essentially

01:22:20.260 it's because

01:22:20.680 mom and dad

01:22:21.560 are unable

01:22:22.360 screens are dangerous

01:22:23.380 so you're saying

01:22:23.980 agreement about that

01:22:24.860 you're saying

01:22:25.560 repeal the 19th

01:22:27.020 that's a whole

01:22:28.020 other question

01:22:29.000 that's a whole

01:22:30.040 other question

01:22:30.680 so you're saying

01:22:30.740 repeal the 19th

01:22:32.140 that's a whole

01:22:33.140 other question

01:22:33.740 but as the time traveler

01:22:35.640 let me

01:22:36.560 give the perspective

01:22:38.740 of history

01:22:39.380 similar but not

01:22:41.000 so desperate

01:22:41.800 arguments were held

01:22:42.860 about television

01:22:43.700 in the 60s

01:22:44.740 and having been

01:22:46.120 raised as a kid

01:22:47.200 that was plopped

01:22:47.820 in front of the television

01:22:48.740 to watch Captain Kangaroo

01:22:50.100 and all the things

01:22:50.800 that created

01:22:51.640 Pee Wee Herman

01:22:52.280 which was a version

01:22:53.880 of all that

01:22:54.600 the same

01:22:56.220 I remember

01:22:57.180 in fact

01:22:58.080 the argument was

01:22:59.220 we're reinforcing

01:23:00.300 primary narcissism

01:23:01.820 kids are going to

01:23:02.640 think

01:23:02.740 it's true

01:23:03.380 they're right

01:23:03.980 but hang on a second

01:23:06.120 primary narcissism

01:23:06.940 is a fantasy world

01:23:08.340 where chairs talk

01:23:09.340 and that kind of stuff

01:23:10.060 and we're pretty good

01:23:11.960 with reality

01:23:12.580 my generation

01:23:13.400 but we're screwed up

01:23:15.140 mostly because

01:23:16.140 we're stuck

01:23:16.900 in front of the TV

01:23:17.420 and not parented

01:23:18.260 that's really what happened

01:23:19.440 but I think

01:23:20.520 they were right

01:23:21.060 it is true

01:23:22.500 that boomers

01:23:23.240 are largely okay

01:23:24.620 Gen X

01:23:26.400 is moderately okay

01:23:28.340 Millennials

01:23:28.960 are 50-50

01:23:29.700 Gen Z

01:23:30.600 is in a weird

01:23:31.240 bifurcated space

01:23:32.220 and I fear

01:23:32.940 for Gen Alpha

01:23:33.480 but if you go back

01:23:35.540 to the Captain Kangaroo

01:23:37.000 and stuff on TV

01:23:37.740 let me ask you

01:23:40.180 what year

01:23:41.180 were you born?

01:23:42.040 58

01:23:42.440 58

01:23:43.400 so when you were a kid

01:23:44.960 how much screen time

01:23:46.760 did you get on average

01:23:47.700 per day?

01:23:48.880 and it was black and white TV

01:23:50.260 black and white

01:23:50.800 that's engaging

01:23:51.360 at least four hours

01:23:52.460 at least

01:23:53.120 four hours per day

01:23:54.200 I was in the low end

01:23:56.000 at the time

01:23:56.540 wow

01:23:57.380 that's a lot

01:23:58.180 I didn't have that much

01:23:59.060 we were parked

01:23:59.840 because by then

01:24:01.040 people acknowledged

01:24:01.760 you shouldn't be putting

01:24:02.720 your kids in front of the TV

01:24:03.620 like that

01:24:04.140 but it was considered

01:24:05.180 a good thing

01:24:06.080 in the early 60s

01:24:07.560 so I

01:24:08.120 I'm sorry

01:24:09.020 at that time also

01:24:10.740 there's been studies

01:24:11.620 that have shown

01:24:12.320 that not only

01:24:13.020 was it black and white

01:24:13.960 and fewer commercials

01:24:14.880 but the shows themselves

01:24:16.500 were structured

01:24:17.200 around moral themes

01:24:18.580 that's true

01:24:19.100 that is true

01:24:20.340 and

01:24:20.880 and the history leaked in

01:24:22.640 I remember seeing

01:24:23.280 the Kennedy funeral

01:24:24.240 and things like that

01:24:25.020 and there was stuff

01:24:25.520 that

01:24:25.740 that you know

01:24:26.920 and then people started

01:24:28.000 I remember my

01:24:28.600 I remember I was watching

01:24:30.100 the Watts riots

01:24:30.860 and I went to my

01:24:31.680 parent

01:24:32.220 my cousin's house

01:24:33.260 whose parents were

01:24:34.340 vehemently in favor

01:24:35.600 of those riots

01:24:36.780 and they wouldn't

01:24:37.840 let their kids watch it

01:24:38.740 I thought

01:24:38.980 why not

01:24:39.700 why

01:24:39.900 I was six

01:24:42.400 it's not all bad

01:24:43.300 my vocabulary

01:24:44.300 was embiggened

01:24:45.120 by the Simpsons

01:24:45.860 which I think

01:24:47.080 my speech shows

01:24:47.820 that TV can be

01:24:49.000 perfectly cronely

01:24:49.560 but now it's not

01:24:52.060 just TV

01:24:52.720 and you don't click it

01:24:53.760 and it's also not

01:24:54.720 in the family living room

01:24:56.300 where your mom

01:24:56.980 was sort of

01:24:57.500 cooking dinner

01:24:58.060 and overhearing it

01:24:59.080 now it's just

01:25:00.000 right here

01:25:00.600 all the time

01:25:01.240 24-7

01:25:02.020 people aren't even

01:25:02.680 turning

01:25:03.020 they're not even

01:25:04.160 turning Wi-Fi

01:25:04.800 off at night

01:25:05.600 I'm not defending

01:25:07.540 anything

01:25:07.820 I'm just trying

01:25:08.300 to be a little

01:25:08.620 bit optimistic

01:25:09.100 for instance

01:25:09.780 you mentioned

01:25:10.300 the koi food

01:25:12.260 was it

01:25:12.580 or koi pond

01:25:13.300 koi pond food

01:25:14.580 that was the

01:25:16.200 beginning of the

01:25:16.760 end for

01:25:17.440 mainstream media

01:25:19.000 because people

01:25:20.000 started to realize

01:25:21.000 oh I'm being

01:25:21.620 manipulated

01:25:22.140 and it's over

01:25:23.640 once people feel

01:25:24.600 that

01:25:24.860 and I believe

01:25:25.740 the same thing

01:25:26.320 will happen

01:25:26.700 with all of this

01:25:27.560 and I am hearing

01:25:29.380 I don't know if

01:25:29.880 this is statistically

01:25:30.660 borne out yet

01:25:31.440 but the generations

01:25:32.620 that's coming up

01:25:33.300 now

01:25:33.660 is coming in

01:25:35.160 understanding

01:25:35.640 screens are

01:25:36.160 damaging

01:25:36.680 but they're

01:25:37.400 trying to limit

01:25:37.840 their exposure

01:25:38.420 you realize

01:25:39.220 that you're

01:25:39.720 being manipulated

01:25:40.520 because you

01:25:41.360 had a normal

01:25:43.280 experience to

01:25:44.140 compare it to

01:25:45.000 I share Tim's

01:25:46.440 fear that if

01:25:47.220 you have a

01:25:47.800 literal baby

01:25:48.820 that grows up

01:25:49.980 on that

01:25:50.500 oh listen

01:25:51.160 I'm not afraid

01:25:52.200 like being

01:25:52.920 manipulated

01:25:53.500 that's just

01:25:54.320 like their

01:25:54.760 normal experience

01:25:56.280 but do we

01:25:57.000 become hyper

01:25:58.040 moralistic

01:25:59.180 I mean

01:25:59.620 to some

01:26:00.660 but or to

01:26:01.740 become centralized

01:26:02.520 and authoritarian

01:26:03.220 those are the

01:26:04.440 two impulses

01:26:05.240 that kind of

01:26:06.020 come up

01:26:06.440 in all this

01:26:06.980 I believe

01:26:08.040 this is

01:26:08.880 Simon and

01:26:09.360 Gamora

01:26:09.680 and we need

01:26:10.380 to sort of

01:26:10.980 bring in

01:26:11.740 morality again

01:26:12.500 I think we

01:26:12.980 have to be

01:26:13.280 explicit about

01:26:13.880 that

01:26:14.080 I agree

01:26:14.580 and the

01:26:15.940 conversation

01:26:16.300 we've been

01:26:16.660 having quite a

01:26:17.120 bit in the

01:26:17.460 past couple

01:26:17.780 weeks is

01:26:18.380 again the

01:26:19.520 right is

01:26:20.640 so scared

01:26:21.120 of being

01:26:21.340 called fascist

01:26:22.080 that they're

01:26:22.960 literally telling

01:26:23.620 people by all

01:26:24.540 means sterilize

01:26:25.080 children

01:26:25.400 my argument

01:26:27.040 is Trump

01:26:27.860 should use

01:26:28.300 all federal

01:26:28.840 authorities to

01:26:29.500 the highest

01:26:29.860 degree imaginable

01:26:30.700 to stop the

01:26:31.700 sterilization

01:26:32.340 and sex

01:26:32.760 change of

01:26:33.080 children

01:26:33.320 just send

01:26:34.740 in the DOJ

01:26:35.180 do whatever

01:26:35.460 you gotta do

01:26:35.940 start prosecuting

01:26:36.880 these people

01:26:37.360 instead there's

01:26:38.420 this fear

01:26:38.900 a great example

01:26:40.380 is have y'all

01:26:41.440 seen the video

01:26:42.200 that went viral

01:26:42.940 from I am

01:26:44.560 jazz

01:26:44.860 the dilator

01:26:46.500 one

01:26:46.800 yes

01:26:47.180 yeah

01:26:47.520 yep

01:26:47.840 let me pull

01:26:48.740 this one up

01:26:49.360 let me

01:26:50.880 I am

01:26:52.700 jazz

01:26:53.020 not just like a

01:26:53.480 time traveler

01:26:53.980 but also uncool

01:26:55.160 I'm not exposed

01:26:56.480 to all these

01:26:56.920 things

01:26:57.320 so let me see

01:26:58.240 if I can find

01:26:58.820 it I know

01:26:59.260 that if I

01:26:59.760 actually try

01:27:00.320 and search

01:27:00.640 for media

01:27:01.000 what I'll

01:27:01.240 get is a

01:27:01.500 bunch of

01:27:01.740 gay porn

01:27:02.200 on X

01:27:02.580 I don't want

01:27:03.300 that so

01:27:03.940 I assume

01:27:05.140 this may be

01:27:05.620 the video

01:27:06.100 and we will

01:27:07.720 play it

01:27:08.060 with her

01:27:08.920 I'm worried

01:27:09.800 about like

01:27:10.460 her mental

01:27:11.580 well-being

01:27:13.040 and her

01:27:14.140 dilation

01:27:14.920 the minute

01:27:15.340 she leaves

01:27:15.720 my house

01:27:16.300 we have a

01:27:17.140 dilation

01:27:17.720 problem

01:27:18.280 that is a

01:27:19.160 concern

01:27:19.660 we don't

01:27:20.300 have that

01:27:20.680 watchful eye

01:27:21.580 they tend

01:27:22.900 to go back

01:27:23.400 to old

01:27:23.820 patterns

01:27:24.500 I have

01:27:25.240 woken jazz

01:27:26.160 out of a

01:27:26.540 dead sleep

01:27:27.060 and taken

01:27:27.520 the dilator

01:27:28.180 and put

01:27:28.640 the lubrication

01:27:29.300 on it

01:27:29.840 and said

01:27:30.220 here

01:27:30.760 you take

01:27:31.320 this

01:27:31.600 and you

01:27:31.940 put it

01:27:32.220 in your

01:27:32.400 vagina

01:27:32.700 if not

01:27:33.120 I will

01:27:33.540 but jazz

01:27:34.400 is bad

01:27:34.880 even when

01:27:35.440 I'm home

01:27:35.800 once a day

01:27:36.440 I would be

01:27:37.200 so mad

01:27:37.700 if she

01:27:38.280 goes away

01:27:39.520 to college

01:27:39.920 and that

01:27:40.280 thing seals

01:27:40.800 up

01:27:41.540 I would

01:27:41.960 rank her

01:27:42.960 neck

01:27:43.280 can you

01:27:43.940 imagine

01:27:44.280 it's

01:27:46.300 let me

01:27:46.860 let me

01:27:47.240 just

01:27:47.400 say

01:27:47.940 to those

01:27:49.060 of us

01:27:49.280 that are

01:27:49.460 watching

01:27:49.720 this show

01:27:50.240 who are

01:27:50.600 of sound

01:27:51.000 mind

01:27:51.300 this is

01:27:52.220 a woman

01:27:52.620 who has

01:27:53.520 taken her

01:27:54.320 her

01:27:54.660 prebubescent

01:27:55.340 son

01:27:55.780 surgically

01:27:57.400 removed his

01:27:57.940 genitals

01:27:58.320 to create

01:27:58.780 a cavity

01:27:59.240 that she

01:28:00.160 is demanding

01:28:00.800 by threat

01:28:01.360 of force

01:28:02.000 and violence

01:28:02.760 he shoved

01:28:03.840 inside his

01:28:04.440 wound

01:28:04.840 to

01:28:05.580 expand

01:28:06.440 now

01:28:07.300 of anyone

01:28:07.840 of sound

01:28:08.200 mind

01:28:08.360 you're going

01:28:08.580 to say

01:28:08.820 what are

01:28:09.740 humans

01:28:10.260 doing

01:28:10.620 my

01:28:11.520 argument

01:28:11.800 and this

01:28:12.200 was in

01:28:12.840 Florida

01:28:13.180 and at

01:28:15.120 the time

01:28:15.600 this is

01:28:16.220 2021

01:28:16.580 this video

01:28:16.980 is going

01:28:17.200 viral

01:28:17.480 I said

01:28:17.940 why isn't

01:28:18.640 Ron DeSantis

01:28:19.240 at least

01:28:20.020 sending in

01:28:21.060 state troopers

01:28:21.640 to question

01:28:22.580 this family

01:28:23.140 and the DeSantis

01:28:24.080 people lost

01:28:24.620 their minds

01:28:25.180 no no

01:28:25.900 you can't

01:28:26.320 do that

01:28:26.560 how dare

01:28:26.860 it's not

01:28:27.080 his fault

01:28:27.440 blah blah

01:28:27.680 and I'm

01:28:27.900 like listen

01:28:28.260 if there

01:28:29.360 was a

01:28:29.520 video of

01:28:29.780 a man

01:28:30.100 and he

01:28:30.880 said

01:28:30.980 I wake

01:28:31.480 my wife

01:28:32.000 up in

01:28:32.160 the middle

01:28:32.360 of the

01:28:32.480 night

01:28:32.600 and I

01:28:32.820 grab

01:28:33.240 the

01:28:33.640 device

01:28:34.680 and I

01:28:35.360 say

01:28:35.500 stick it

01:28:36.180 in

01:28:36.360 or I

01:28:36.680 will

01:28:36.820 wring

01:28:37.160 your

01:28:37.320 neck

01:28:37.680 or even

01:28:38.060 a father

01:28:38.520 to a

01:28:38.920 daughter

01:28:39.240 yep

01:28:39.620 they'd be

01:28:40.100 arrested

01:28:40.540 well it's

01:28:41.240 funny you

01:28:41.620 say that

01:28:42.000 because when

01:28:42.600 I was

01:28:42.840 watching that

01:28:43.480 you might

01:28:44.200 find this

01:28:44.640 interesting

01:28:45.160 when it

01:28:46.300 comes to

01:28:46.740 the need

01:28:47.240 for power

01:28:47.900 or the

01:28:48.300 need for

01:28:48.660 dominance

01:28:49.100 which you

01:28:49.840 know it's

01:28:50.300 just a

01:28:50.620 personality

01:28:51.380 scale

01:28:52.040 women

01:28:53.660 tend to

01:28:54.660 express

01:28:55.260 the need

01:28:55.880 for power

01:28:56.660 through

01:28:57.440 excessive

01:28:58.140 nurturance

01:28:59.240 so it's

01:29:00.200 like have

01:29:00.640 another bite

01:29:01.200 of soup

01:29:01.640 dear

01:29:02.020 no you

01:29:02.740 know and

01:29:03.680 in that

01:29:04.360 case as

01:29:04.860 well she's

01:29:05.300 like oh I'm

01:29:05.780 such a good

01:29:06.300 mom I

01:29:07.000 wake him

01:29:07.400 up in

01:29:07.680 the middle

01:29:08.000 of the

01:29:08.240 night

01:29:08.440 and I

01:29:08.740 you know

01:29:09.320 her

01:29:09.640 yeah and

01:29:10.320 well right

01:29:10.900 and so

01:29:11.680 and the

01:29:12.400 psychology

01:29:12.960 field has

01:29:13.700 been completely

01:29:14.500 overtaken by

01:29:15.280 women to

01:29:15.980 Naomi's point

01:29:16.740 my class was

01:29:17.740 the same way

01:29:18.480 well I went

01:29:19.460 on Ali

01:29:19.760 Bestucki and

01:29:20.240 she calls it

01:29:20.680 misplaced

01:29:21.140 mothering

01:29:21.680 we're nurturing

01:29:22.280 people

01:29:22.840 I just want

01:29:24.420 again because I

01:29:25.800 know the people

01:29:26.100 who watch this

01:29:26.560 are of sound

01:29:27.000 mind I think

01:29:28.300 it's important

01:29:28.580 to recognize

01:29:28.940 there's a

01:29:29.320 large portion

01:29:30.060 of the

01:29:30.320 population of

01:29:31.080 not just

01:29:31.500 the United

01:29:32.100 States but

01:29:32.460 the world

01:29:32.840 that live in

01:29:34.340 that reality

01:29:34.920 of that

01:29:35.260 woman but

01:29:36.340 I just want

01:29:36.600 to say this

01:29:37.000 imagine it's

01:29:37.500 1993 and

01:29:39.820 a cop

01:29:41.460 walked into

01:29:42.720 a home and

01:29:44.000 saw a

01:29:45.180 mother holding

01:29:46.440 down her son

01:29:47.480 and demanding

01:29:48.500 he insert a

01:29:49.300 device lubricated

01:29:50.160 into his body

01:29:50.940 against his

01:29:51.600 will threatening

01:29:52.500 to wring his

01:29:52.980 neck that

01:29:54.000 would have

01:29:54.260 been a major

01:29:54.740 headline that

01:29:55.280 would have

01:29:55.480 been like a

01:29:55.940 shock to the

01:29:56.680 community

01:29:57.020 yeah now

01:29:58.000 it's TV

01:29:58.540 entertainment and

01:29:59.860 accepted by a

01:30:00.660 large portion of

01:30:01.300 this country as

01:30:01.820 normal and a

01:30:02.500 large portion of

01:30:03.260 the right to

01:30:03.780 your point can't

01:30:04.500 even come

01:30:05.280 like if we

01:30:05.820 can't come out

01:30:06.320 against this

01:30:06.880 and say that

01:30:07.280 this is wrong

01:30:08.000 what can we

01:30:09.700 say is wrong

01:30:10.300 to be fair

01:30:10.980 the right all

01:30:12.100 said it was

01:30:12.420 wrong but they

01:30:13.380 are scared to

01:30:14.260 enforce against

01:30:15.040 it right I

01:30:15.780 you know look

01:30:16.600 this is why I'll

01:30:17.360 never be in

01:30:18.320 politics but if

01:30:19.080 I was in the

01:30:19.800 DOJ this lady

01:30:20.980 be behind bars

01:30:21.680 and then they'd

01:30:22.700 be like but

01:30:23.200 she's a celebrity

01:30:23.920 on I'm

01:30:24.540 I'd be like oh

01:30:25.160 that's great I

01:30:25.820 don't care

01:30:26.180 why will you

01:30:26.820 never be in

01:30:27.380 politics

01:30:27.880 I'd slam an

01:30:33.100 iron fist in

01:30:33.460 the table I

01:30:33.920 guess I don't

01:30:34.280 know why is

01:30:34.560 that bad

01:30:35.160 it's probably

01:30:36.560 not but I

01:30:37.540 don't I don't

01:30:38.600 I don't know I

01:30:39.280 just well yeah

01:30:39.880 no one's gonna let

01:30:40.540 me in the room

01:30:41.240 when I'm like I'm

01:30:41.960 gonna lock you up

01:30:42.440 in two seconds

01:30:42.980 well what you're

01:30:43.640 doing is so

01:30:44.220 important and so

01:30:45.040 valuable I'm not

01:30:46.000 saying I would

01:30:46.440 want you to

01:30:46.860 change that I

01:30:47.600 was just curious

01:30:48.240 that's all I'm

01:30:49.960 I guess what I

01:30:50.760 really mean to

01:30:51.320 say is nobody

01:30:52.780 would want to let

01:30:53.680 me go anywhere

01:30:54.400 near power because

01:30:55.980 you'd use it

01:30:56.900 yeah and

01:30:58.900 and who's doing

01:30:59.560 her mind control

01:31:00.120 thing and it's

01:31:00.640 called therapeutic

01:31:01.260 wonderment I'm

01:31:02.220 wondering whenever

01:31:02.780 a therapist says

01:31:03.400 I'm wondering

01:31:04.080 watch out

01:31:04.940 if I was if I

01:31:08.260 was the attorney

01:31:09.360 general in Florida

01:31:10.200 the first thing I

01:31:12.160 would do is I

01:31:12.980 would come on a

01:31:13.400 press conference

01:31:13.840 and say there

01:31:14.860 are a lot of

01:31:15.340 crimes happening

01:31:15.920 in our state that

01:31:16.500 we seek to stop

01:31:17.140 there are a lot

01:31:18.360 of bad people

01:31:19.020 there's illegal

01:31:19.620 immigration there's

01:31:20.400 murder there's

01:31:20.960 drug dealing we

01:31:22.620 are going to work

01:31:23.200 on all of those

01:31:23.740 things and make

01:31:24.340 sure that there's

01:31:25.060 a base level of

01:31:25.980 actual enforcement

01:31:26.860 to protect the

01:31:27.200 community that

01:31:27.940 being said here

01:31:29.080 is a video of a

01:31:29.780 woman who lives

01:31:30.300 in our state who

01:31:31.480 has threatened to

01:31:32.420 forcefully medically

01:31:33.620 rape her son she

01:31:35.240 will be arrested

01:31:35.900 immediately got my

01:31:37.280 vote I think that

01:31:38.480 it's going to I

01:31:39.420 think they're the

01:31:39.940 tide is shifting on

01:31:41.020 this and it's going

01:31:41.620 to change because

01:31:42.340 there are so many

01:31:43.260 young people now who

01:31:44.340 went through the

01:31:45.140 hysteria in what

01:31:46.720 was it like 2016 to

01:31:48.940 2018 to 2020 who

01:31:51.000 are now coming of

01:31:51.860 age finding their

01:31:52.700 voice and making an

01:31:53.920 impact and it

01:31:54.860 it unfortunately is

01:31:56.800 going to need to be

01:31:57.480 led by these young

01:31:58.320 people because the

01:31:59.460 older people in power

01:32:00.620 they they act like

01:32:01.580 cowards they can't

01:32:02.820 protect children we

01:32:03.800 had a guy on the

01:32:04.400 show do you remember

01:32:07.320 who that that liberal

01:32:08.200 guy was he was the

01:32:10.980 guy who said that

01:32:11.700 children should be

01:32:12.820 taught about how to

01:32:13.660 insert things in their

01:32:14.400 rectums or what

01:32:15.940 so I made the

01:32:21.900 arguments that sex

01:32:24.080 education when I

01:32:24.940 grew up was here's

01:32:27.000 the reproductive

01:32:27.540 function of a male

01:32:28.660 and reproductive

01:32:29.180 function of a female

01:32:30.040 and this is how babies

01:32:31.760 are made what the

01:32:33.220 left is arguing now is

01:32:34.260 that sex ed is about

01:32:35.320 gratification so the

01:32:37.040 argument he made was

01:32:38.100 you're homophobic

01:32:39.600 because you're stopping

01:32:41.520 young gay kids from

01:32:43.060 learning how to

01:32:43.920 pleasure each other

01:32:44.660 and I pointed out

01:32:46.780 inserting foreign

01:32:47.900 objects into your

01:32:49.120 rectum can kill you

01:32:50.160 and he said then

01:32:51.340 you're arguing that

01:32:52.220 gay people shouldn't

01:32:52.840 be allowed to have

01:32:53.400 sex well also though

01:32:54.840 the normal traditional

01:32:56.120 sex ed didn't teach

01:32:57.880 us how to pleasure

01:32:58.660 each other either like

01:32:59.980 you said it was just

01:33:01.100 about how you know

01:33:02.180 that's I mean in my

01:33:03.220 program as a

01:33:04.120 therapist now they want

01:33:04.920 therapists to to be

01:33:06.460 sex educators but not

01:33:08.080 in oh you know like

01:33:09.360 there's this this std and

01:33:11.000 you might want to use

01:33:11.580 this type of birth

01:33:12.220 control it's like okay

01:33:13.900 so if you get this

01:33:15.080 brand of vibrator and

01:33:16.460 you spread your legs

01:33:17.300 like this and then

01:33:18.200 reach around like that

01:33:19.160 that is the curriculum

01:33:20.580 at my therapy and

01:33:21.740 then they want to put

01:33:22.420 those books in you

01:33:23.920 know kindergarten first

01:33:25.400 grade that was soy

01:33:26.740 pills argument that

01:33:28.080 sex ed he said gay

01:33:30.800 people have sex anally

01:33:32.400 and children should be

01:33:33.880 taught sex ed therefore

01:33:35.200 teachers should be

01:33:36.360 teaching minors how to

01:33:37.600 use there is there is

01:33:39.180 no way let me I

01:33:41.020 didn't intend any of

01:33:42.000 this I'm so sorry I'm

01:33:42.860 coming back from the

01:33:43.700 past as a time traveler

01:33:45.740 please but there is

01:33:47.820 no way that pre

01:33:50.900 pubescent children even

01:33:52.260 early puberty children

01:33:53.480 should be exposed to

01:33:54.740 explicit sexuality

01:33:56.880 because it makes no

01:33:58.500 sense there it shatters

01:33:59.900 the upper limits of the

01:34:01.100 brain's regulatory

01:34:02.200 capacity it's why porn

01:34:04.340 when they're exposed to

01:34:05.280 porn at young age has

01:34:06.660 dramatic impact sex

01:34:08.580 addiction is out of

01:34:10.200 control now because of

01:34:11.320 early exposure to

01:34:12.760 pornography the internet

01:34:13.740 the the yes the the

01:34:15.600 kids it doesn't make

01:34:17.460 sense to talk about

01:34:18.820 pleasure from sexuality

01:34:20.260 when the whole topic

01:34:21.720 doesn't make sense it's

01:34:24.140 absurd and if it's at

01:34:26.060 18 if somebody wants to

01:34:28.100 talk about the function

01:34:29.420 of orgasm or something

01:34:30.680 okay but let's do an

01:34:33.220 age appropriate for kids

01:34:34.380 that are interested and

01:34:35.220 that's that what your

01:34:36.720 friend was doing there

01:34:38.280 I mean I don't know if

01:34:39.340 you said it was a friend

01:34:40.280 or no it was a guy on

01:34:41.200 the show we were

01:34:41.600 debating a guy on the

01:34:42.540 show but like it sounds

01:34:44.660 as a psychologist but we

01:34:45.820 would almost call acting

01:34:47.000 out like where he has

01:34:48.780 this idea in his mind

01:34:50.680 that he wants heterosex to

01:34:53.440 be the same as homosexual

01:34:55.520 and they're just not right

01:34:57.540 I mean I'm not even making

01:34:58.780 a value judgment but I

01:35:00.100 mean in terms of the

01:35:00.880 well in terms of their of

01:35:02.320 their essential quality

01:35:03.800 to the survival of

01:35:04.960 society and to our

01:35:06.060 species they're they're

01:35:08.080 they're just not the

01:35:09.340 same and so it sounds

01:35:11.020 like he had almost kind

01:35:12.280 of a rigid insistence

01:35:13.720 upon saying well you

01:35:15.720 know if we talk about

01:35:17.080 one therefore we have

01:35:18.600 to talk about the other

01:35:19.500 and in one you put

01:35:20.360 something in a hole and

01:35:21.500 so in the other you do

01:35:22.520 and so therefore we have

01:35:23.960 to talk about it as if

01:35:25.020 it's exactly the same

01:35:26.260 right and to me that's

01:35:28.260 not even actually like a

01:35:30.260 a true a true holistic

01:35:33.320 acceptance of what even

01:35:34.820 homosexuality is I

01:35:36.720 almost think it's like

01:35:37.700 degrading you could say

01:35:38.740 to homosexuality to try

01:35:40.240 to say you know that

01:35:41.460 it's the same

01:35:42.280 whenever we get into

01:35:44.580 arguments about the same

01:35:46.520 I get nervous women and

01:35:48.420 men the same that you

01:35:49.700 know everything's the same

01:35:50.600 we're different there's

01:35:51.840 differences but they

01:35:52.860 should be given the same

01:35:54.120 value and the same

01:35:55.140 empathic attunement and

01:35:56.380 everything else fine no

01:35:58.240 problem I I wonder if

01:36:01.100 you guys agree I feel

01:36:01.980 like humans for

01:36:04.360 evolutionary psychological

01:36:05.340 reasons will be

01:36:07.120 attracted to receiving a

01:36:08.780 resource or a thing or

01:36:10.200 something that is

01:36:10.860 perceivably beneficial of

01:36:12.160 course makes sense right

01:36:13.160 and does that create the

01:36:15.400 political realities of

01:36:17.920 human history in that any

01:36:19.860 world leader any tribal

01:36:22.060 leader or governmental

01:36:23.000 lead politician who

01:36:24.460 promises to give you

01:36:25.560 stuff is going to have

01:36:27.160 an advantage over

01:36:27.740 someone who tells you

01:36:29.040 no because I wonder

01:36:31.420 real quick final point

01:36:32.860 the reason why I think

01:36:34.560 we're seeing a lot of

01:36:35.060 this with pleasuring is

01:36:36.780 that I wonder if people

01:36:39.300 who are hearing this

01:36:40.160 actually care obviously

01:36:41.920 the people who watch the

01:36:42.640 show and choose to do

01:36:43.400 I'm saying if YouTube

01:36:45.280 were to recommend this

01:36:46.100 video to a random

01:36:46.660 person are they going to

01:36:48.160 hear this and think to

01:36:48.780 themselves yeah he's not

01:36:50.440 wrong but they're going to

01:36:51.040 take away from me what I

01:36:52.240 want so I'd better just

01:36:53.100 back off and let it

01:36:53.740 happen I absolutely

01:36:55.580 agree that we have that

01:36:56.480 tendency but that is the

01:36:58.120 lesser angels of our

01:36:59.460 nature the reality is

01:37:01.340 people need to be led

01:37:02.260 and led leading needs to

01:37:03.820 be done with a moral

01:37:04.640 compass and things that

01:37:06.280 are very uncomfortable

01:37:07.200 need to be people need

01:37:10.240 to be led through it we

01:37:11.540 won't necessarily do it

01:37:12.600 on our own we need to be

01:37:13.360 inspired to do things like

01:37:15.140 leaning into exposure

01:37:16.660 therapies and things

01:37:17.520 that's why you need a

01:37:18.480 therapist there to help

01:37:19.260 you through it you have

01:37:20.240 to have somebody bring you

01:37:21.220 into things that are

01:37:22.080 uncomfortable diet and

01:37:23.640 exercise that's what we

01:37:25.000 need to do it's

01:37:25.860 uncomfortable you don't

01:37:26.580 want to do it let's go do

01:37:27.740 it we've lost track of

01:37:29.260 that when we add morality

01:37:31.040 to sex though then people

01:37:32.880 just lose their minds and

01:37:34.180 to Tim's point or Tim's

01:37:35.940 question I think it is

01:37:37.580 because people don't want

01:37:38.960 their porn to be taken

01:37:39.760 away yep well look how

01:37:41.720 they riled about even

01:37:43.700 putting a age verification

01:37:45.580 to access porn online in in

01:37:48.660 many places and in many

01:37:49.940 states to the point where I

01:37:51.460 think Pornhub like pulled

01:37:52.740 out of soda stops it was

01:37:54.920 showing in Utah or

01:37:57.040 whatever because like they

01:37:58.320 enforced like an age

01:37:59.600 verification you know I

01:38:01.600 mean but yeah I mean I to

01:38:03.320 the issue as well again

01:38:04.680 about like sameness you

01:38:06.140 know I mean again I'm not

01:38:07.440 even putting a value

01:38:08.720 judgment on it but if we

01:38:10.680 can just have open and

01:38:11.640 honest talks about about

01:38:12.940 our true diversity like the

01:38:14.620 differences between this is

01:38:16.160 the problem whenever bias is

01:38:18.020 when anti biases are put in

01:38:20.880 biases are subjugated they're

01:38:23.600 put into the system same

01:38:24.700 thing with tolerance you have

01:38:25.760 to be intolerant they have

01:38:26.960 a tolerance the freedom is

01:38:28.760 the answer freedom is the

01:38:29.780 answer but in freedom there's

01:38:32.280 got to be morality we've

01:38:33.800 lost I'm realizing in this

01:38:35.140 conversation that having

01:38:37.020 conversations about morality is

01:38:38.600 something we're not even

01:38:39.220 doing and there is a purpose

01:38:41.520 and it's and to religion too it

01:38:43.400 has utility it's good for us you

01:38:45.440 don't have to be proselytizing

01:38:47.560 but we need to begin bringing

01:38:49.840 these things back into the

01:38:50.960 common discourse and even

01:38:52.260 people who are not religious

01:38:53.500 because I was saying earlier

01:38:54.720 about like oh well you know

01:38:55.780 there's this protective factor

01:38:56.880 of mental health for

01:38:58.440 religiosity so I just want to

01:38:59.960 say even for people who are

01:39:00.980 not religious like even if

01:39:03.180 it's you know meditation or in

01:39:05.220 fact actually my husband

01:39:06.200 spirituality he's not

01:39:07.240 religious but like he goes to

01:39:09.160 church anyway and like

01:39:10.220 understands I mean it's so

01:39:11.600 interesting when you start

01:39:12.660 learning about the Judeo

01:39:13.740 Christian foundation of our

01:39:15.120 country and you know what

01:39:17.080 our founders said about the

01:39:18.880 importance of religion and

01:39:20.640 even those who did not

01:39:22.180 believe still embraced the

01:39:24.780 tenets of it and so I just I

01:39:26.980 feel like there's this

01:39:27.800 hostility to religion I don't

01:39:29.800 know about you Naomi but when

01:39:30.840 I was in school even the way

01:39:33.140 they would talk about

01:39:34.220 evangelical Christians you

01:39:36.500 would think that they were

01:39:37.600 talking about Nazis or straight

01:39:40.040 white males right yeah in my

01:39:42.180 sexuality class we were taught

01:39:44.120 that the they call it

01:39:45.580 Christianization is the root of

01:39:48.120 all like sexual not the root of

01:39:50.420 all but the root of a lot of

01:39:52.000 sexual dysfunction and

01:39:53.340 repression they blame on

01:39:55.100 Christianity but now we're

01:39:57.080 moving to a point where the

01:39:58.420 sexual ethic that we're being

01:39:59.920 taught is just consent as long as

01:40:02.280 there is consent it is wrong for

01:40:04.660 us to moralize anything that

01:40:07.040 other people do and where has it

01:40:08.320 gotten us jazz jazz what's her

01:40:11.480 last name Jennings Jennings

01:40:12.820 getting a dilator shoved up at

01:40:14.540 her or him and these books

01:40:17.400 being put in classrooms and we

01:40:19.480 need to stop being scared of

01:40:20.760 saying no you know what sex is

01:40:22.900 moral it is a moral act that we

01:40:25.080 do it is existential it can bring

01:40:26.940 life into the world if anything is

01:40:29.000 moral in this world it's that yeah

01:40:32.420 I think one of the issues of

01:40:34.460 moralization is also the logic

01:40:38.220 behind the morals why do we hold

01:40:39.620 them yes they usually have a

01:40:41.520 biological sort of underpinning to

01:40:43.340 them I think good for humanity

01:40:44.960 that's why they that's why they

01:40:46.040 exist I think the reason you

01:40:47.480 don't teach children how to insert

01:40:48.960 things into their bum-bums is

01:40:50.900 because they could die you have to

01:40:54.660 even go there yes that's true but

01:40:56.740 it's just that it's it'd be it's

01:40:58.700 traumatizing all this stuff is

01:41:00.940 trauma the kids have a regulatory

01:41:02.340 capacity their brains are gentle

01:41:04.580 they're they're easily exceeded in

01:41:06.820 terms of their capacity you don't

01:41:08.680 want to do that to a kid it changes

01:41:10.260 them forever so what what do you

01:41:12.200 think the future is going to look

01:41:12.960 like with them literally doing it to

01:41:14.560 kids what is the future going to

01:41:17.060 look like what you know so gen alpha

01:41:19.000 I think gen alpha is the next

01:41:21.420 generation there's about 42 million so

01:41:22.720 we do have population issues but this

01:41:24.300 is the generation largely getting

01:41:26.300 this these books these lessons and

01:41:28.400 access to these videos yeah what will

01:41:30.460 this generation be like if the

01:41:32.960 majority of them are experiencing this

01:41:33.960 over over you know porn addicted

01:41:36.440 that's an easy one that's where a lot

01:41:38.440 of it goes I think one of the

01:41:40.760 reasons I was reading about the rise

01:41:43.060 of erectile dysfunction in young men

01:41:45.300 and the argument is that it's caused

01:41:48.240 by porn addiction and in terms of also

01:41:50.460 dysfunction in the workforce you know

01:41:52.720 lack of participation video games

01:41:55.080 pornography number one number two

01:41:56.520 Bible sales are up 22% I think no I'm

01:42:00.460 serious and those are first-time buyers

01:42:02.140 and and that's not there's you know

01:42:04.540 plenty of other great you know

01:42:06.100 religions as well so I mean to your

01:42:08.220 point to him like where does this all

01:42:09.680 go my hope is that although where this

01:42:13.200 all goes to me obviously is despair that

01:42:16.440 when people do reach despair that

01:42:19.480 ultimately our spirit our humanity

01:42:22.840 something inside of us will reach out

01:42:25.440 you know for for what's true for

01:42:27.440 what's real and then they'll get served

01:42:28.820 to Tim cast video or you know they'll

01:42:30.920 pick up can I say that or they'll see a

01:42:32.680 doctor do show or whatever Naomi gets

01:42:35.100 up to knows what I'm doing um but yeah

01:42:37.380 I mean I just I I think that we have a

01:42:39.520 survival mechanism that although we can

01:42:42.340 go down deep into despair there will be

01:42:44.980 some light provided we don't put a

01:42:47.040 government you know institutional stuff

01:42:49.220 that takes over on our behalf that

01:42:50.920 that's when it just gets becomes

01:42:52.280 awesome so here's my question for the

01:42:54.080 experts if if a child is wired this

01:42:56.280 way over the first nine years of their

01:42:59.020 life can they overcome that wiring

01:43:02.000 later in life through therapy and I

01:43:03.700 believe yes

01:43:04.380 again we don't know what it is yet I

01:43:09.040 think I understand what it will be and

01:43:11.720 yes absolutely this stuff can be treated

01:43:14.060 but like anything else in mental health

01:43:15.880 they have to be highly motivated and

01:43:17.340 getting people to want to participate and

01:43:19.060 do the treatment or have the resources

01:43:20.720 for it things aren't covered the it's

01:43:23.260 the I am legend challenge then of what

01:43:25.460 happens when the majority of gen alpha

01:43:27.880 says we all want the same thing at the

01:43:30.680 same time affirm us they'll have the

01:43:33.100 political power they'll be affirmed but

01:43:35.400 I think that at at you once you go

01:43:37.660 deeper and deeper into that affirmation

01:43:39.660 spiral there is an emptiness there's a

01:43:42.360 loneliness you you realize at the end of

01:43:44.660 the day this is just me and my AI

01:43:46.660 girlfriend and and there is a world out

01:43:49.640 there I I believe even if it's just

01:43:52.060 simply evolution that there's a part of

01:43:54.680 us that is going to seek to bond and

01:43:56.820 connect and recreate procreate you know

01:43:59.540 with somebody else it's like it's like a

01:44:01.540 heat-seeking missile part of ourselves

01:44:03.280 that I just think will get activated I'm

01:44:06.060 I mean from a Christian perspective I

01:44:07.760 think that is absolutely possible to

01:44:09.640 come back from the first nine years of

01:44:12.300 your life being programmed and your

01:44:14.000 neuroplasticity because God and my

01:44:16.800 belief system put something on all of

01:44:19.600 our hearts to seek good and and

01:44:23.020 self-actualize if we choose that but we

01:44:25.320 have to choose it and there's sure not

01:44:27.000 very many incentives to do that right

01:44:28.440 now there meaning making other people

01:44:30.720 that's the human experience that we need

01:44:33.380 to get back to that there are a lot of

01:44:35.040 people who are considered degenerates

01:44:37.380 that have found God a great example is

01:44:39.900 Russell Brand who was largely viewed as a

01:44:42.620 celebrity degenerate doing drugs and

01:44:45.080 philandering and all that stuff and then

01:44:46.600 he got baptized found God and now he

01:44:48.160 talks all about it you know there are a

01:44:51.460 lot of people in the skateboard

01:44:52.060 community it's it's what I know that

01:44:54.420 were just binge drinking drug addicted

01:44:57.120 and now more and more every day there's

01:44:58.600 another guy who's coming out it's like

01:44:59.940 oh he's got baptized yeah it's let me

01:45:02.600 ask though is that usually part of their

01:45:03.880 recovery process they're doing recovery

01:45:05.740 and then they find religion or they

01:45:08.100 usually it's recovery because again

01:45:10.740 Russell a good example he was well into

01:45:12.720 his recovery and then it kept expanding

01:45:14.460 but what perceives recovery is hitting

01:45:16.180 bottom yes they have to want to change

01:45:18.900 it's there's a horrible having to

01:45:21.240 change comes from hitting bottom so I'm

01:45:24.620 just trying to think it needs to be

01:45:25.840 bottom no but but I mean it doesn't have

01:45:27.860 to be but I know what you're talking

01:45:29.120 about yeah I'm just trying to say a

01:45:30.740 saving grace to Tim's you know picture

01:45:33.020 about like well what what about the

01:45:35.560 deepest darkest parts yeah it goes bad it

01:45:38.860 goes bad and that's when people become

01:45:40.300 motivated change the there's a story I

01:45:42.500 like to tell I met a guy he was a

01:45:44.620 skateboarder punk rock kind of guy and

01:45:46.320 he was very Christian and no drugs and

01:45:48.440 anything like that and he told me his

01:45:50.220 story was that he used to do a lot of

01:45:51.620 drugs and drink a lot I asked him like

01:45:53.740 how did you end up becoming a Christian

01:45:54.880 and he said that he was in the woods

01:45:56.860 after a party of just binge drugs and

01:45:59.260 drinking in the morning he woke up went

01:46:01.860 to take a leak and when he walked you

01:46:03.160 know 15 20 feet away from the group as

01:46:05.440 he was pissing he felt a booming voice

01:46:07.180 within his chest say why are you doing

01:46:08.740 this and it caused him to have an

01:46:10.980 anxiety attack and then he heard the

01:46:13.480 voice again why are you doing this you

01:46:16.200 should stop and then he had this

01:46:19.480 experience and immediately tried seeking

01:46:22.200 answers reading what was this how did I

01:46:24.600 feel and hear this voice and then I

01:46:27.600 think naturally because you have the

01:46:28.480 majority of religion the people he came

01:46:29.700 to were priests and religious folk who

01:46:31.420 explained to him divine intervention or

01:46:33.640 whatever they thought it might have been

01:46:34.600 and then from that point on he never did

01:46:37.120 another drug he cleaned up opened a

01:46:38.700 business and started living a healthy

01:46:40.660 and productive life well now we're

01:46:42.040 talking about these spiritual moments

01:46:43.620 these these moments of clarity these

01:46:45.740 moments of feeling like something

01:46:47.180 stepped in from the outside those people

01:46:50.280 change yeah they have those

01:46:51.900 experiences there's a lot of routes in

01:46:53.400 that change but when somebody feels

01:46:55.280 that incredible moment of change they're

01:46:59.680 extraordinary I don't know what they

01:47:00.940 are I believe it happened for me I mean

01:47:02.940 it happened for me before I I was not

01:47:04.900 raised Christian I was raised very

01:47:06.460 secular my dad's an astrophysicist he

01:47:08.720 thinks that it is just silly what I

01:47:11.000 believe but I came it was almost a

01:47:14.600 logical decision because I was looking

01:47:16.380 at my life looking at my psyche and

01:47:18.500 thinking what is my worldview because

01:47:20.660 whatever it is which I should probably

01:47:22.780 define it is not working for me living

01:47:25.740 with no faith was actually making me very

01:47:28.060 anxious very depressed I the the idea

01:47:32.300 that like what is my meaning actually

01:47:34.660 what is the meaning of all of this

01:47:36.100 having a religion if not just

01:47:38.800 Christianity like another religion too

01:47:41.080 or just a sense of spirituality connecting

01:47:43.520 to the meaning is so beneficial and

01:47:45.920 nurturing hope meaning yes something

01:47:47.940 bigger than yourself bigger than

01:47:49.680 yourself if you stop looking in trying

01:47:51.740 to find yourself I hate that pop

01:47:53.380 psychology term of like oh you just

01:47:55.200 have to find yourself like no it's

01:47:56.960 outside of you well it's that's an

01:47:59.100 interesting point too about this whole

01:48:00.700 thing that you're saying to him about

01:48:01.980 the algorithms you know that just take

01:48:03.820 you down this like we're deep dark

01:48:05.320 hole and in a sense from a Christian

01:48:08.600 perspective I think that would be where

01:48:10.660 you're essentially making an idol of

01:48:12.460 yourself right right and of course that

01:48:14.860 that leads to kind of a wasteland but

01:48:18.040 again the good news I believe that our

01:48:20.120 species has survived for you know

01:48:22.260 goodness knows how long I think that

01:48:24.220 there is some part of us you know that

01:48:26.820 that will snap back well and every

01:48:29.160 great myth and great story whether

01:48:31.400 it's Gilgamesh or Candide it's always

01:48:34.340 at the very end you know what did you

01:48:36.440 learn from your great journey what I

01:48:38.280 learned was to go back to my

01:48:39.560 community community and participate or

01:48:44.740 or in Candide's case it was tend your

01:48:47.360 own garden you know just get back to you

01:48:49.400 the people that you love and get back to

01:48:50.800 your community be of service make a

01:48:52.740 difference and you know keep it simple

01:48:54.620 part of me I don't worry at all about

01:48:56.960 any of it you don't worry about what

01:48:58.740 any of it any of what all the problems

01:49:01.560 all the crises all the else gate whatever

01:49:03.380 it might be because certainly there are

01:49:06.640 things that I think we should influence

01:49:08.340 to improve but the worst case scenario

01:49:11.960 that I see as being if we completely fail

01:49:16.440 in every regard to preserve

01:49:18.660 the degenerates will die off and the

01:49:23.700 smaller but stronger more resilient

01:49:26.060 people of strong will and mental

01:49:27.620 fortitude will then start to procreate

01:49:29.880 once again and reform and rebuild

01:49:32.540 provided we don't screw up this

01:49:34.220 wonderful system we have here in this

01:49:35.760 country no I think even like imagine

01:49:37.620 nuclear bombs dropped all over the

01:49:39.020 world even if you only have like 73

01:49:41.840 humans remaining I'm fairly confident

01:49:43.760 that they'll they'll make it it's like

01:49:45.620 the top 20 percent rule like the top

01:49:47.580 20 percent of humanity could redo it

01:49:49.660 is that what you're saying well I think

01:49:51.960 even if if you if if bombs dropped and

01:49:55.560 all that was left I mean 73 is a bit

01:49:57.140 hyperbolic maybe that that's too rough

01:49:58.920 but maybe there's a few thousand humans

01:50:00.560 left and they're the dumbest humans that

01:50:02.360 exist they'll probably still make it

01:50:04.240 that they will start reproducing there

01:50:07.160 will be more humans several hundred years

01:50:08.980 later you will have tens of thousands or

01:50:10.740 hundreds of thousands of humans so I don't

01:50:13.580 see a reality where the resilience of

01:50:15.400 humans art is of man of mankind is

01:50:17.740 defeated by this one period of weird

01:50:21.040 mass formation psychosis even with the

01:50:23.340 even with the advent of AI and the

01:50:25.400 proliferation of that you don't view

01:50:26.880 that as an existential threat or do you

01:50:28.820 um you know I have I have some

01:50:32.740 hypotheses theories and I guess you know

01:50:35.840 what would you call it imaginations on

01:50:38.240 what may or may not happen with AI one

01:50:41.260 thing that I actually pitched this it's

01:50:44.600 a short story that I came up with on the

01:50:46.100 show along or came up a long time ago

01:50:47.280 and it's that in 200 300 years all of

01:50:52.220 humanity is seemingly wiped out there's

01:50:53.680 only one city that remains is a

01:50:55.340 population of around 7 million people

01:50:56.960 no one knows how humanity was wiped out

01:50:59.760 or how they died and there are scouting

01:51:01.860 missions that explore outside of the

01:51:03.580 city and every other city around the

01:51:05.100 world is just lying in ruins they they

01:51:08.080 try booting up old servers and find that

01:51:10.400 around you know 2080 or so news just

01:51:13.340 stopped getting written and there's

01:51:14.760 nothing there newspapers end around

01:51:16.340 around ended way earlier than that no

01:51:18.540 idea and then one day a group of tall

01:51:22.040 slender humanoid beings in full white

01:51:24.560 suits with chrome helmets appear and

01:51:26.620 attack one of the scouting missions they

01:51:28.840 try shooting at them the bullets don't

01:51:30.720 seem to work they film it all headquarters

01:51:33.620 is like what is this eventually on you

01:51:36.920 know it's are these the aliens or

01:51:38.640 whatever creatures that destroyed

01:51:39.440 humanity and then one day at a fight in

01:51:41.940 a junkyard a car is knocked over and it

01:51:44.680 falls crushing one of these things and

01:51:46.800 then the rest of them flee and the humans

01:51:49.000 pull the helmet off and it's a human with

01:51:51.280 like no hair and the story is at some

01:51:54.540 point humans all went underground into

01:51:56.600 pods and facilities where they were

01:51:58.260 networked into the matrix essentially by

01:52:00.680 choice the last humans that remain on

01:52:03.780 earth were the more tribal and rural

01:52:06.740 folk who don't really pay attention to

01:52:08.800 the internet had kids live a simple life

01:52:11.600 around and this is all just I'm imagining

01:52:15.020 this idea around 2077 the news stories

01:52:19.780 that were being written were more and

01:52:21.280 more being written in the neural web and

01:52:23.580 less so on the internet most people could

01:52:25.780 access so the servers you find will

01:52:28.580 slowly stop if you took Benjamin Franklin

01:52:31.260 and brought him here today and said learn

01:52:34.440 about the world he'd say get me a

01:52:35.760 periodical and we'd be like okay and

01:52:38.680 he'd end up learning only tiny fractions

01:52:40.120 of what's really going on because we now

01:52:41.500 use the internet and he wouldn't know

01:52:42.720 where to find it so that's one idea I

01:52:45.180 have of what might happen there will be

01:52:46.740 humans that resist getting plugged in

01:52:48.220 yeah don't go underground don't neural

01:52:50.400 net themselves and that's one hypothesis

01:52:53.100 like we're just one vision using that

01:52:54.520 brain for good Tim do you but you know

01:52:56.200 what Corolla keeps saying keeps saying

01:52:57.520 there's gonna be safe spaces and

01:52:58.780 octagons that's what he's even saying

01:53:00.860 that for the last 10 years let's go

01:53:02.360 and I said I said in Florida and

01:53:04.780 California safe spaces octagons and I

01:53:06.700 said Adam and I said Adam your

01:53:08.980 prediction has come all the way true

01:53:10.780 there's gonna be a UFC fight in the

01:53:12.580 White House at the Rose Garden I can't

01:53:15.840 believe it's literally happening and I

01:53:18.060 thought wow safe spaces and octagons is

01:53:20.460 similar to what you're just that's not

01:53:22.060 bad yeah you go to California and

01:53:24.740 they're gonna strip you naked give you

01:53:26.700 a jumpsuit and say you'll get food when

01:53:28.360 we do we need deem you get food yeah

01:53:29.940 shave your head wear the mask no one

01:53:31.640 can know your race or gender

01:53:32.600 at Mamdani's public grocery store you'll

01:53:35.880 always get your rations that's right and

01:53:38.080 then you'll say I'm gonna screw this I'm

01:53:40.080 going to Florida you walk into the

01:53:41.740 borders of Florida they hand you a shot

01:53:42.980 and say good luck out there but isn't

01:53:44.920 it interesting that four of us would

01:53:46.620 say the same thing which is the impulse

01:53:48.660 to want to be governed like that is so

01:53:51.460 bizarre to want that it's even more

01:53:53.960 bizarre to want to do that to people

01:53:55.760 from my perspective well see but that's

01:53:57.900 what in my book I talk about common

01:53:59.780 objections to free speech and one of

01:54:02.420 them are actually things about like but

01:54:04.100 what about safe spaces and things like

01:54:06.220 that and when I give a talk about this I

01:54:09.040 actually show a picture of an ostrich

01:54:10.640 with his head buried in a sand and I'm

01:54:12.740 like does this ostrich look safe to you

01:54:14.960 right like does it really why do people

01:54:17.620 I'm trying to figure you're a psychologist

01:54:19.460 I mean I've been in mental health for a

01:54:21.060 long time I can't figure out what that

01:54:23.260 predilection is to want to participate

01:54:25.680 do you think that it's fear do you think

01:54:27.720 it's the oddest sort of way of dealing

01:54:30.820 with fear and then for the people that

01:54:32.100 like Newsom that had these totalitarian

01:54:34.400 impulses they want to do that to people

01:54:36.580 I just cannot get my head around it

01:54:39.140 right so the nurturance go ahead no I

01:54:41.560 mean those people don't we have pretty

01:54:43.360 solid understandings of people who are

01:54:45.540 Machiavellian narcissistic and those you

01:54:47.780 know that I don't want to that's a dark

01:54:49.380 triad obviously but but but they'll do

01:54:51.500 anything that serves their needs really

01:54:53.760 but why the why do they go that way

01:54:56.320 it's the nurturance I think so again

01:54:58.640 superior I'm virtue I'm it's a virtue

01:55:00.820 signal again it's ironic but like so

01:55:02.920 it's it's it's it's the female way of

01:55:05.160 displaying a need for powers through

01:55:07.020 nurturance and then the stereotype of

01:55:09.880 men on the left is that they're soy

01:55:12.500 boys right so just like jazz's mom yeah

01:55:16.260 I care so much I'm gonna kill him if he

01:55:18.320 doesn't shove this up his cooch it's

01:55:20.500 crazy say wound wound whatever and then

01:55:23.080 they get mad at me it's not correct

01:55:24.320 because it's a surgical orifice and I'm

01:55:25.880 like a surgical orifice whatever it's just

01:55:28.440 also well I mean like how how do people

01:55:30.240 get that way right I mean they spend a

01:55:32.440 lot of years in indoctrination camps I

01:55:35.320 mean schools right demons yeah it's so

01:55:38.720 and I bonded with Bill Maher in this the

01:55:41.320 day because we he and I were trained in

01:55:42.540 a time with the pursuit of an

01:55:43.900 approximation because you never get to the

01:55:46.020 truth but the pursuit of the truth was

01:55:47.940 everything now it is non-existent it begs

01:55:51.460 no issue see I actually dropped out of

01:55:53.640 high school and I really me too I oddly

01:55:57.820 enough went on to like graduate from an

01:56:00.200 Ivy League school and get a PhD but I

01:56:02.400 didn't graduate from college until I was

01:56:04.600 29 and I used to feel like I'm you know

01:56:07.920 one down for that or whatever but I came

01:56:10.420 to realize I think it was all those years

01:56:12.280 of just having a GED and like having to

01:56:14.520 think for myself I think that's the only

01:56:17.040 reason I didn't come out of a PhD

01:56:19.560 program singing their little song I think

01:56:22.260 when kids go into those schools like so

01:56:24.740 young and their brain it used to be

01:56:26.400 different I'm telling you it used to be

01:56:27.740 about independent thought pursuit of the

01:56:30.020 truth bring back the Socratic method or

01:56:32.040 something it was all Socratic method it

01:56:33.980 was all analytic thought it was all we

01:56:36.400 don't care what you know we want to know

01:56:38.240 what you don't know show us how your

01:56:39.660 brain work how you're how careful your

01:56:41.900 thought is convince me of something yeah

01:56:43.860 they've come to the conclusions now and

01:56:45.520 just want you to be able to pair them

01:56:46.860 how can you use a Socratic method in a

01:56:50.400 one-minute clip economy I know so like

01:56:53.960 Jubilee is a great example they get

01:56:55.360 massive viewership when they do these

01:56:57.340 surroundings I'm assuming you guys have

01:56:59.120 seen them the problem is I was watching

01:57:01.660 one where I think was Eliezer Perez was

01:57:03.920 trying to use a Socratic method but

01:57:05.900 there everyone's bored by it so they

01:57:07.360 flagged him off before he even got to his

01:57:08.780 point and I'm like well he's trying to

01:57:11.040 understand the position so that he could

01:57:12.560 break them apart and then explain where

01:57:14.400 the fallacies are but they don't give

01:57:15.680 you time for that well I think it's not

01:57:16.960 just that they don't have time they

01:57:18.180 haven't thought about it that deeply and

01:57:19.840 being quizzed on their own beliefs is

01:57:21.660 threatening yeah like you said too it's an

01:57:24.160 attention economy so they're actually

01:57:26.000 less interested in getting to the truth

01:57:28.020 than they are of getting ahead yeah I'm

01:57:33.040 so depressed now well that's but you

01:57:35.840 know always take take solace in the fact

01:57:37.740 that you are of strong-minded mental

01:57:39.980 fortitude so you and your family will

01:57:41.460 be fine octagon after yeah after

01:57:43.900 everything the octagon Tim I'm gonna say

01:57:45.580 this when everything collapses and

01:57:47.120 society is a bunch of ashes and rubble

01:57:48.880 and hipsters are running around

01:57:49.820 stealing chickens I'm gonna be all

01:57:51.580 right I'm not saying I'm an expert

01:57:53.400 survivalist I'm not saying I'm gonna

01:57:54.900 live in luxury wealth I'm saying I will

01:57:56.800 live no I agree with that however two

01:58:00.980 things I thought two thoughts I have one

01:58:02.860 is I I have a kind of a I don't know

01:58:06.060 humanity is exists in my heart and I worry

01:58:08.560 for it and then so much garbage rains

01:58:12.060 down on me every day through the

01:58:13.880 internet it's it's hard not to react to

01:58:15.620 it that's really the horrible thing

01:58:16.960 Rudyard Lynch Rudyard Lynch of what if

01:58:20.060 altist has a viral post going around

01:58:21.620 where he said get off the internet now

01:58:23.680 literally every one of all factions is

01:58:26.300 going crazy and it's impossible to

01:58:29.000 function remove yourself from this he said

01:58:32.340 something to the effect of that he

01:58:33.340 he stepped away for a few weeks came

01:58:34.840 back and realized just how insane

01:58:36.220 everyone was and how it's going to lead

01:58:38.700 to you know a great tumult and you need

01:58:40.880 to get away from it build your support

01:58:43.300 and survival structures and how it makes

01:58:44.840 sense for you and your life and where

01:58:45.920 you live the the challenge I I take from

01:58:49.160 that he's correct literally everyone's

01:58:52.180 crazy to varying degrees us a little bit

01:58:55.820 probably too but you know not as bad as

01:58:57.900 most or many the issue I see though is if

01:59:01.760 you're not if you're not observing the

01:59:05.020 fray and what's going on in the

01:59:06.240 conflict you'll be consumed by it

01:59:07.920 unknowingly caught by surprise so while

01:59:11.100 I agree the problem is many people will

01:59:14.080 walk up to the culture war on the

01:59:15.720 internet and take a look at it and get

01:59:16.740 sucked in like Tasmanian devil pulling

01:59:18.580 everybody into the whirlwind yeah I think

01:59:20.260 it's important to actually try and stand

01:59:22.040 over and understand what's happening so

01:59:24.160 you can survive protect yourself and maybe

01:59:25.940 succeed in some way well to that point

01:59:28.980 this conversation has actually inspired

01:59:31.360 me I want to offer something to people

01:59:33.180 for free that would be online for if

01:59:35.480 they don't want to totally walk away yet

01:59:37.140 I want to I've been thinking about

01:59:39.480 this I want to start like a book club

01:59:41.380 about free speech where we can talk

01:59:43.800 about like I tried to express myself and

01:59:46.720 I got scared and or I expect myself and

01:59:49.620 it went well or I heard somebody say

01:59:51.340 something I disagreed with but I engaged

01:59:53.480 anyway or whatever so if people are

01:59:55.780 interested they can go to freespeechtoday.com

01:59:58.600 and just you'll find a way to contact

02:00:01.100 me through there and I'm just going to

02:00:02.680 start like a free way for people to

02:00:04.740 gather and talk about it yeah building

02:00:06.960 that support system honestly to inspire

02:00:09.040 others and courage begets courage because

02:00:11.180 I mean so many people even just me

02:00:13.340 saying the most basic truths they have

02:00:15.700 come to me saying exactly the same thing

02:00:18.460 is going on in my program I think I'm

02:00:20.200 going to say something thank you and so

02:00:22.440 just say the truth and then see what

02:00:25.680 happens it'll be fine it's so crazy to

02:00:27.760 me at this stage of my life words like

02:00:29.360 freedom cowardice courage are constantly

02:00:32.540 on my lips I never imagined it was not

02:00:35.640 there 10 20 certainly 30 years ago we

02:00:38.600 were interested in having fun and making

02:00:40.100 a difference and now it's like you have

02:00:42.220 to have courage and everyone else I

02:00:44.040 there's so much cowardice it's remarkable

02:00:46.200 go back to the 90s go back to the 80s that

02:00:48.700 was fun

02:00:49.100 this can be fun too this can be subversive

02:00:53.520 you know it feels rebellious now to like

02:00:55.880 actually like get into free speech like I

02:00:58.660 think we can have fun with it that's so

02:01:00.500 nutty that the core principle of our

02:01:02.800 founding fathers something subversive now

02:01:05.560 yeah I had an idea for the coffee shop

02:01:07.560 we've been trying to open which maybe

02:01:08.840 will happen it's just it's taken a

02:01:10.580 millennia I think the city's been

02:01:11.900 obstructing our coffee shop efforts so

02:01:13.460 it's probably but we are making movement

02:01:15.760 and there is some good news on that front

02:01:16.940 but the idea was every Saturday morning

02:01:18.540 we would do a communal event called

02:01:20.460 Saturday morning cartoons parents bring

02:01:22.700 your kids hot dogs cater breakfast

02:01:24.600 eggs sausage and bacon and and pancakes

02:01:28.160 and we would play approved cartoons for

02:01:31.620 the kids educational not psychotic weird

02:01:35.180 hot dog dancing really basic stuff that

02:01:38.060 you know maybe not even a side cartoons

02:01:39.620 but mr rogers level like teaching stuff

02:01:42.280 and then the parents would socialize

02:01:44.980 with each other the kids would socialize

02:01:46.960 with each other and it would create a

02:01:49.540 community bond oh sure so like I was

02:01:51.640 mentioning with no one playing baseball

02:01:52.880 in the neighborhood anymore this is what

02:01:55.000 has me really worried is that people

02:01:56.780 don't interact in any meaningful way so

02:01:58.220 maybe as you mentioned the book club

02:01:59.340 I'm thinking everybody out there who's

02:02:01.020 listening to this looking for solutions

02:02:02.300 your community your neighbors where you

02:02:04.960 live you guys should be meeting up once

02:02:06.840 a week that used to be church go to

02:02:08.640 church yep just say go to church church is

02:02:11.520 the easy way it's there already I can I

02:02:14.540 can I can say from a fact-based

02:02:17.640 logical assessment church is an

02:02:20.200 excellent excellent prescription to the

02:02:22.760 social ails you are experience

02:02:24.140 experiencing and it's not even about

02:02:26.160 whether you truly believe in God or

02:02:27.360 anything like that the communal

02:02:29.940 function of being around your

02:02:31.180 neighbors understanding the needs of

02:02:32.880 your neighbors in your community is

02:02:34.220 what makes human civilization function

02:02:36.300 and that's gone right now largely not

02:02:38.320 completely amen and I mean even if I'm

02:02:41.260 just saying even if you're not

02:02:42.520 Christian go listen to the sermon take

02:02:44.500 what you want from the moral teaching

02:02:46.160 leave the rest view it as allegory

02:02:48.400 whatever whatever just go and be in a

02:02:50.980 group of people who who are thinking

02:02:53.240 about morality that's good for your soul

02:02:55.000 unfortunately so many churches though

02:02:57.400 are like putting out I hate to say

02:02:59.240 this but like a bunch of woke garbage so

02:03:01.260 another thing that you can do is you

02:03:04.200 could have people over to your house and

02:03:06.560 put on like some pastor Alan Jackson

02:03:08.760 sermons or you know watch like some

02:03:11.680 Charlie Kirk talks or whatever I'll just

02:03:14.700 make my pitch for the recovering

02:03:16.160 community too that's what their

02:03:17.340 foundation is and you can do it by zoom

02:03:18.920 and it works kind of that way too isn't

02:03:20.560 it amazing though that a component of

02:03:21.900 recovery is God is oh it's it's something

02:03:25.920 bigger than yourself it's it's it's look

02:03:28.300 it came out of a sort of religious the

02:03:30.620 clergy participate in the generation of

02:03:32.400 the of the 12 step and it this is all

02:03:34.620 all this stuff humans have known

02:03:36.760 forever it's just we we like get

02:03:38.940 amnesia about it periodically or we

02:03:40.600 think we know better whenever you hear

02:03:41.720 a human saying we've now we figured

02:03:43.300 out we know now the real the real run

02:03:45.440 run we've always known what works for

02:03:48.100 humans we just know and we just move

02:03:50.300 away from it periodically and that's

02:03:51.680 what's been happening lately recovery is

02:03:53.580 faith hope connection meaning difference

02:03:56.020 making meaning making looking at

02:03:58.780 yourself and your your your flaws as a

02:04:01.360 human being sharing it with another

02:04:02.780 human confess confessing yes confessing

02:04:05.560 it's that's where there was a man's

02:04:07.980 participating doing helping other

02:04:09.780 people it's all the same stuff and

02:04:11.600 people guess what they get so much

02:04:13.800 better from it there was a video a

02:04:16.260 clip from Rogan's show that went viral

02:04:18.200 that I'm sure is largely missing its

02:04:19.440 context but he said he was talking about

02:04:21.560 the Big Bang and I could be getting

02:04:23.480 this wrong so just fact check me but he

02:04:24.780 said something like if you're gonna tell

02:04:26.300 me that there's this great miracle in

02:04:27.520 the Big Bang or a guy named Jesus I'm

02:04:29.540 gonna go with Jesus yes if you have to

02:04:32.080 choose something you have to pick a

02:04:33.660 worldview like I was saying my worldview

02:04:35.580 sucked it wasn't working pick a

02:04:37.300 worldview that works for you that

02:04:38.540 includes faith I think step one is

02:04:40.720 identifying so the way I explain to

02:04:43.820 people is that I don't know what this

02:04:47.840 philosophy is called but I read it a

02:04:49.280 long time ago in the hacker community

02:04:51.380 social engineering that to be aware of

02:04:53.960 yourself they said at all times be be

02:04:58.100 cognizant of how you feel what you want

02:05:00.620 and what you are doing and why you're

02:05:02.160 doing it then imagine the people you're

02:05:05.700 interacting with imagine you are

02:05:07.340 sitting across from both you and that

02:05:09.240 person watching that interaction between

02:05:10.740 the two of you how do you feel seeing

02:05:13.220 these two people interact what do you

02:05:16.140 think they want and why do you think

02:05:17.420 they are doing this and then imagine

02:05:19.620 these two people but zoom out above the

02:05:21.920 world and imagine all of the people in

02:05:24.520 this area all doing similar things and

02:05:26.580 try and imagine what they want and why

02:05:28.120 they're doing what they're doing so

02:05:29.600 first second and third person analysis

02:05:31.360 on and then bring it back to yourself

02:05:33.300 and use that and it will greatly benefit

02:05:35.660 you in understanding the world getting

02:05:37.200 what you want so I try to tell people to

02:05:40.320 do something like that and they say the

02:05:42.240 reason this I think the second person is

02:05:44.100 the most important is because you need

02:05:46.640 to be critical critically analyzing the

02:05:48.520 actions you're taking and imagine

02:05:51.580 watching yourself take these actions

02:05:53.020 100 percent it's deontological it's

02:05:54.840 con yeah you you might be going that

02:05:56.780 guy's a dick yeah or you might be

02:05:58.800 going like maybe I'm too nice to people

02:06:00.700 conduct your life as though you could

02:06:03.080 watch a film of it and defend every

02:06:05.420 choice you make and feel good about it

02:06:07.180 this has been very very fun so I'm

02:06:09.180 really glad y'all came out we had this

02:06:10.560 great conversation bringing us yeah

02:06:12.520 absolutely we'll just go around and if

02:06:14.040 you want to shout anything out where

02:06:15.380 can people find you yeah thanks again

02:06:17.040 freespeechtoday.com and I hope people

02:06:19.700 come so we can start our free

02:06:21.080 discussion group thanks again Tim super

02:06:24.720 fun you can find me on x and sub stack

02:06:27.600 at Naomi Epps best x dr drew rumble

02:06:31.880 where we in rumble home channel right

02:06:33.440 now is it we are yeah yeah front page

02:06:34.760 shout out to rumble it's ask dr drum rumble

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02:06:39.060 everything else is dr drew.com right on

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - July 11, 2025

The WOKE TAKEOVER of Psychology & Medicine w⧸ Dr. Drew, Dr. Chloe Carmichael, Naomi Best

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