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00:02:53.200Well, I think so. Here, wait a second.
00:02:54.940Sam Seder is blacklisted by a lot of podcasts.
00:03:00.080Yeah, I don't know. I say I'm not exaggerating.
00:03:02.600This is not a joke. Yes, there are many large podcasts that have outright said they will never work with him and has nothing to do with being afraid to debate him.
00:05:17.500I think actually what I was talking about, I don't think I ever said whether you believe in the death penalty or not.
00:05:25.240I mean, you you pulled up you you you cited a quote where you said that I said something like I cited a quote or did I play a video at the beginning of a video?
00:05:34.040Tim Poole agrees that people who commit treason should get the death penalty, which is is that right?
00:06:08.700So there's a clip that's five seconds long.
00:06:11.260Oh, no, but I watched the whole rest of it.
00:06:12.700Like, I know you went back and forth, but it was so weird because you should really if you can find this and put this up, because what I found fascinating about it was that you literally did say on multiple times and that going back and forth, because apparently what happened is you got in trouble at one point with, I don't know, some streaming service about people calling for the death penalty or whatever it was.
00:06:35.300I don't I don't know the background of that.
00:06:36.580YouTube says you can't call for the death penalty as a legal mechanism.
00:06:39.620OK, and so she brought up, I think these people committed treason, they should get the death penalty.
00:06:49.500And you said she'd I don't I don't know if she said I think I think I don't care what she said, really, for this sake.
00:06:56.540But I'm quite sure you said if you commit treason, you should get the death penalty.
00:07:02.640Now, right now, what's what words are you missing from that sentence?
00:07:05.320Because it sounds like you just heard a clip.
00:29:53.200During COVID, in the wake of COVID, 2022 was up because the, uh, the, uh, the data reporting was not complete.
00:29:59.920But if you look at 2023 data, which is now, um, they, uh, they have got enough of the, uh, police departments online that 94 point, I don't know, something of the country is covered.
00:30:13.600You will find that crime is down in 2023.
00:30:17.020So do you think, I think one of the issues we had a, we had a rise because of COVID and now it's dropping back down.
00:30:22.980But again, let's also be clear on this.
00:30:25.680If you compare 1990 crime with today, it's basically like this.
00:30:33.980It's, it's just straight down on that.
00:30:36.380You want to know something interesting?
00:30:37.200You know, one of the biggest factors in the decline in murder is cell phones.
00:30:41.700So back in the day, in the nineties, if somebody got stabbed, somebody had to run to a pay phone to try and call 911 and that created a massive gap between first response and medical treatment.
00:30:53.760And so around the time cell phones came out, you see a massive drop in murder charges and homicides.
00:30:58.980People immediately started thinking like, wow, crime is down.
00:31:04.560It is going down, but it's not the same.
00:31:06.800There's, there's, there's a decline in crime and a sharp decline in murder because now people were instantly calling 911 and first responders were arriving on scene much more quickly.
00:31:57.080Like in the seventies when we had leaded gasoline and it's just pumping out of all these cars, you're like people are effectively having some kind of effect on their brain.
00:32:06.720And so if you are living in areas that had a lot of lead paint hadn't been remediated and on top of that, you're getting gasoline that's in the air, or I should say lead that is, you know, in, you know, in the air because of gas that accumulates in your brain.
00:32:45.220I mean, this is, you know, uh, it's very difficult to assess this stuff, but there's data that shows that about 20 years after, uh, lead gasoline is, is outlawed or lead in gasoline is, is outlawed.
00:33:31.780This could lead to, uh, depending on the study, hormone imbalance could lead to like emotional disturbance.
00:33:37.140Disturbances or dissociative or like identity issues.
00:33:40.620This is one of the reasons why, I mean, uh, since we are a couple of days away from an election, why I think it's so important to, um, make sure that Donald Trump is not in a position to appoint any more Supreme Court justices.
00:33:57.080I mean, the damage is, has been done, but, uh, you know, it could be, uh, rectified because one of the things that the Supreme Court has done in its, its assault on what is known as the Chevron doctrine and, uh, the, uh, and, and deference, um, is it had, it will.
00:34:18.560It will over time inhibit the ability of something like the EPA or, uh, the USDA or the FDA from assessing in real time that there is a problem with certain products that is poisoning our environment or poisoning our people.
00:34:39.700And it will inhibit their ability to address it because we don't know in the future.
00:34:47.700And certainly, and if, you know, what chemicals, you know, we, we discovered this over time, right?
00:34:53.020We didn't know this when plastic, you know, plastics are fantastic.
00:34:55.480And then we start to realize there's these PFAS, there's these, uh, things that you mentioned, um, maybe in the context of fracking, there are certain things leaching into water, but, uh, you probably know that you can't just like, there's no, I test water and then all the bad stuff comes back on the test sheet.
00:35:14.240Well, what, uh, this Supreme Court has done is inhibited.
00:35:18.640And this actually is even a problem for investors like the SEC and other, uh, agencies, um, they have inhibited the ability of these agencies to do their work as scientists, um, as, uh, as financial regulators, find, uh, problems that exist that were not contemplated by Congress and act upon them.
00:35:41.520Because Congress doesn't have the ability, you know, to, uh, act on every single or anticipate every single, uh, uh, substance that may be a problem for people or every, and I fructose corn syrup.
00:35:55.560I mean, that's also a problem that was, uh, under, uh, the, the Nixon administration, they decided they wanted to increase the amount of, of, uh, of, uh, of money that, uh, expendable, uh, money that people had.
00:36:09.680So they decided to, uh, subsidize corn and, um, you know, make all the food cheaper.
00:36:17.180But isn't it, isn't it weird how the high fructose corn syrup things happens?
00:36:38.600I was reading something recently that said that the high, uh, colon cancer rate among young people is due to emulsifiers.
00:36:45.520They're using like gel and gum and guar gum and these things in, in dairy products.
00:36:50.780So, or not even just dairy products, but like to make it seem like it's fatty.
00:36:54.360And so you're actually just eating this like gum stuff that gunks up your insides.
00:36:59.020I don't, I don't know how you, uh, appropriately regulate or, or deal with things like that because it's like you're saying.
00:37:04.860We don't know what it's going to do until it, until we have all this data and research for a long period of time.
00:37:09.780I mean, uh, we could, we could regulate against it.
00:37:13.220Like, you know, I wasn't quite a fan of, uh, Michael Bloomberg, but one of the things he did was, uh, you know, I think it was during the Bloomberg administration.
00:37:19.740There were like, uh, polysaturated fats.
00:37:22.040I think it was that were outlawed, uh, in, in New York city.
00:37:25.660I think that's become, uh, the norm around the country.
00:37:29.100Um, even like, uh, like you couldn't buy a 40 ounce soda.
00:37:34.720Not really, because it's the same principle, right?
00:37:37.800I mean, the fact is, is that like, and, and, and the pushback from conservatives in this was so ridiculous because like, look, I can't go buy a, you know, a pony version of like a beer.
00:38:01.820Well, that's true because people just bought two sodas.
00:38:03.760It is, I mean, if you buy two sodas, at least you're, you're, you're, you're trying to basically, uh, you know, you're not, you're not outlawing, you're not outlawing sodas or whatnot, but you're, you're, you're trying to encourage less, uh, cost essentially for society.
00:38:43.740It took a couple of years before you got the technology was better, but I can't, I mean, I'm, maybe you remember this, but the outrage by conservatives over the, uh, light bulbs, you know?
00:38:57.400And we hear Trump talk about this too, with the toilets and whatnot.
01:09:47.900And that's why I really am, you know, again, with my hesitation about Harris, because of, you know, particularly in terms of Gaza, which we can talk about in a moment if you want.
01:09:58.080But putting the Republicans in power, they have gotten progressively worse on all of these issues over the past 20 years.
01:10:07.180There are two things, I think, that play a role with the ACA especially.
01:10:10.880We had a Republican on IRL, and he just said, they came to me and told me not to vote in favor of it.
01:10:17.140They said, specifically, it's a wedge issue we want to campaign on, so let's keep it around.
01:10:21.720This is what I see with the bulk of politicians.
01:10:24.860They're just pretending to support things.
01:10:27.800I mean, Obama said he wanted to codify Roe, and then he didn't.
01:10:31.000And it's been a talking point for a long time.
01:10:32.540I mean, the thing that Obama expended all of his political capital on was the ACA, and I think they did want to codify Roe.
01:10:41.140But I don't think, frankly, I mean, I can tell you that in talking to, you know, people in that world, they never thought the Supreme Court would overturn it.
01:10:49.800I definitely want to get into that, but I want to add one more thing, too, is what the Republicans and Democrats have both privately been saying is, and this is funny, because I think one of the arguments against these major health care,
01:10:59.200I shouldn't say health care, but, like, insurance companies is the bloat and bureaucracy that is created in the system, which seems to solve nothing but actually cost us money.
01:11:08.340And then you hear these politicians have actually said, you know, a large portion of our economy is these health insurance systems.
01:11:15.320And so if we were to do away with it, you're going to lose all of these bureaucratic middle managers.
01:11:21.120And I'm like, they're concerned about getting reelected if there is a perceived economic downturn from loss of jobs.
01:11:27.960No, I mean, none of that is an argument for or against health care.
01:11:31.440No, I don't even I don't think that's the case, because because there's going to be you're going to need people to to administer this stuff.
01:11:41.400I mean, a lot of people in the health care industry would would still have jobs.
01:11:46.180It's just that they would be either the government would contract to them as it's done, you know, to a certain extent now to do this work.
01:11:55.800It's just that we would not have shareholders who are who, you know, where 10 percent of what's going on or 20 percent of what's going on is a function of shareholders.
01:12:05.840Let me ask you a question, though. So there was a story, I think it was out of Georgia, where some young kid had a genetic disorder and there was a treatment.
01:12:12.300But it's some kind of like rare genetic treatment that cost a million dollars to produce.
01:12:16.860And the family had sued the state saying that the state should pay for this because it's part of a plan that they had with government benefits and like that.
01:12:23.780And the state argued we can't pay a million dollars every time we have to do this treatment.
01:12:28.060And so the challenge then becomes treatments for diseases go so far as technology can allow.
01:12:34.720I'm sure there's grant programs and ways we can develop technology.
01:12:37.700But what do we do if we do, say, like single payer health care and there's 10 people who have a rare genetic disorder that's killing them, but one treatment available?
01:12:46.740How do we assess? Is it like a triage system? How do we how do we distribute that?
01:12:53.800Well, OK, I mean, look, I mean, there's some I'm not saying that, you know, that, you know, sickness is going to go away with a single payer, a single payer health care program.
01:13:03.680But the bottom line is, is that fundamentally more people will have better coverage and ultimately more money in their pockets, despite the fact that we'll have to tax more for it.
01:13:18.340But over the course of their lifetime, we'll have more money in their pockets and will not have the insecurity that comes with losing their job, wondering whether or not, like you say, in between jobs, they will not have the headaches of like, oh, my insurance company has dropped me this year or I've got new programs or I have new things.
01:13:36.480I mean, that's you will find after your kid is born that half of your time is spent on like all of this, like bureaucracy in the private health care.
01:13:48.500And what if what if instead of taxing more, we just reallocated existing taxes, theoretically lowering it in some areas, we will reallocate existing taxes because people pay a lot already.
01:13:58.140Right. We we do that, though. I don't think so. I mean, if you look at taxation relative to like the 1950s, you know what the you know, what the top marginal tax rate was?
01:14:08.200Ninety eight percent. In in in. All they did was pull loopholes and other BS to.
01:14:12.140No, actually, that's not true. The the. No, it isn't.
01:14:16.260If you you can actually. Well, I can tell you right now, some of your libertarians.
01:14:22.780Let me explain something real quick. If the government came and told me they were taxing me at 100 percent, I wouldn't pay any of those taxes.
01:14:27.940It's never going to happen. If if the government is taxing you 100 percent, you will not work.
01:14:31.820You will not pay for those taxes and you'll not get it. I will. I will work. I will make money.
01:14:35.720And so the issue is you will commit crime. No, no.
01:14:39.040It's Donald Trump brought this up in 2016 when he was like, we we we utilize the system as it exists to avoid paying through the mechanisms.
01:14:46.520For example, in the 1950s and I get it.
01:14:49.720No, no. There's a million dollar deduction for equipment, for instance.
01:14:52.480So value earned can be retained outside of the U.S. dollar without paying taxes on it.
01:14:56.340Great. This is what a lot of people do. So they can tax as high as they want.
01:14:59.040But wealthy people will always get around it and poor people can't.
01:15:02.920In the 50s and 60s, the highest marginal tax rate over four hundred and seventy thousand dollars if you earned, which would be equivalent to about three million dollars a day.
01:15:12.500Every dollar over that was taxed at a 90 percent rate.
01:15:16.440We had the greatest economic expansion this country has seen during that that time period.
01:15:21.560Now, part of it obviously has to do with, like, you know, post-war or World War Two.
01:15:25.700There's a lot of factors. But the tax rate did not inhibit any of that growth.
01:15:41.300So that includes all the deductions, all of the hijinks that's associated with that, the loopholes and whatnot.
01:15:48.120Fifty percent for people, for those high earning.
01:15:53.620So, you know, I don't need to raise taxes on people who are making.
01:15:57.160We're not we don't need to argue this because I don't think there's any point of contention.
01:16:00.380I'm saying that if you go to people and say we want to give you health care, but it's going to raise your taxes.
01:16:04.480They're going to recoil in horror, whether it whether it's good for them or bad for them.
01:16:07.880I think Bernie Sanders was on the way of of making that argument.
01:16:11.460But if you, you know, if you and I advocate for a single payer health care and we get other people to advocate for a single payer health care, we can do this.
01:16:32.340I would like to see a private option and a public option.
01:16:35.140I think it's fine if we have what I call universal basic health care where, you know, I don't think you need to outlaw private health care.
01:16:43.860But would you agree that we need to make we need to make sure that if you're licensed to practice medicine is a function of having, let's say, 90 percent of your clients accept 90 percent of your payments from Medicare?
01:16:58.760I don't know if I'm smart enough to answer that question.
01:17:41.960To me, it's silly and it makes no sense.
01:17:44.120But my point was simply as a way to segue to American foreign policy and our gross spending on wars that don't provide for the American people.
01:17:53.880If we start by saying, hey, look, we don't need to raise your taxes.
01:17:56.960We just don't need to build as many tanks.
01:17:58.600Instead of building tanks, we're going to build, I don't know, factories for insulin and hospitals and hire medical workers.
01:18:04.200I don't believe, I mean, frankly, we don't need taxes to spend money.
01:18:18.280I mean, you know, this is somewhat unique to the United States because we have such control over our currency and it is essentially the world's currency.
01:18:34.200But the bottom line is, is that the reason why we would have taxes in the way that I suggest is to essentially make it illegal to have this type of wealth disparity in our society.
01:18:54.120But the bottom line is we have such enormous wealth disparity.
01:18:57.840The Fed came out with a report a couple of weeks ago.
01:19:00.180The reason why the economic numbers look so good, and they do, our economy, economic numbers look good relative to the way that we have measured the economy over years.
01:19:12.320But the reason why they look so good is because of the tremendous wealth disparity we have in this country where very rich people are driving consumer spending.
01:19:24.320And so taxation for me is a mechanism in which to inhibit wealth disparity.
01:19:34.740And then there's other contextual components to it.
01:19:37.300When the tax rate goes up, for instance, like I mentioned, there's a million dollar per year tax deduction for equipment for a company.
01:19:44.040Well, all that means is if there's a guy who runs a business, and he makes a million dollars profit, and you're telling him once the year rolls over, he's got to give 40% or whatever that number is to the government, he's going to go buy a million dollars worth of motorcycles for the business.
01:20:18.000A lot of people think, like, oh, if you tax these businesses, they're not going to hire them.
01:20:21.320I'm like, no, it's the other way around.
01:20:22.480If you tell a company that they're going to lose a million dollars at the end of the year, they're going to spend it on something to retain the value of the money they earned.
01:20:35.480I do not see a reality where that makes sense, where someone's like, I'm going to—
01:20:40.080You don't think it makes sense to create new businesses?
01:20:42.640No, I'm saying there's no reality where a rich person says, I'm going to keep a million dollars in the bank and then give half to the government.
01:20:47.100They're going to say, I'm going to buy a million dollars worth of stuff so I can retain the value that I've earned.
01:20:52.880He's going to reinvest it in some way that allows him to retain the value without giving it to the government, which is what—
01:20:58.360I mean, I don't mind taxation that gets rich people to reinvest in capital expenditures.
01:21:09.780But we have millionaires and billionaires who are sitting on money and just dumping it into the stock market.
01:21:16.140So if you're suggesting to me that capital gains should be—capital gains tax should be raised to where it is with wages, we are in agreement.
01:21:25.660The challenge with the stock market is 401ks.
01:21:30.980So you've got wealthy investors who are just creating these massive portfolios where they're extracting value from systems that provide nothing.
01:21:44.720I mean, there's been an attempt by Wall Street to get more people in that boat, but we still have like 80 percent of the stocks are owned by like, I don't know, 10, 20 percent of the people.
01:22:57.340And then, of course, people are going to say, oh, why is Tim now saying we should have a higher—the problem then is when you run to the other wall of foreign policy.
01:23:48.400For what—the argument—it's the neolib neocon, or whatever you want to call it, of maintaining support for the petrodollar, which allows us, like you were mentioning, with control of this currency,
01:23:58.460we can spend in ways other countries can't.
01:24:01.980As long as we maintain the petrodollar, we do not need to maintain exports at the same rate of spending like other countries do, because—world police, I guess.
01:24:11.740And so what ends up happening is with, for instance, what we're seeing with Ukraine is all correlating with the Qatar-Turkey pipeline trying to offset the gas prime gas monopoly in Europe.
01:24:21.140Effectively, the simple answer is maintain petrodollar against adversaries of the petrodollar.
01:24:26.080Do you think that—and I want to turn to your opinion on Israel—but do you think that the United States wanted Russia to invade Ukraine?
01:24:46.620It is one—it's a limited component of the ongoing conflict from the Middle East into Europe.
01:24:51.680But in 2009, I think it was, the United States was trying to build a pipeline from Qatar through Syria-Turkey into Europe, which would help offset the gas prom—gas monopoly.
01:25:05.200Syria said, quite literally—and this is a quote—oh, I'm paraphrasing their quote—
01:25:09.420We are—our ally, Russia, would never allow us to allow this to go through our country.
01:25:14.580Lucky for the United States that a civil war just happened to occur, and Bashar al-Assad was the enemy of the United States who was gassing his own people.
01:25:31.940We—the United States' interest is, for a lot of the spending we do, is to prop up the petrodollar, militaristically or otherwise.
01:25:42.060And we were trying to compete with Russia on natural gas.
01:25:45.820This is why we wanted a foothold in Ukraine.
01:25:48.180After the Qatar-Turkey pipeline fails, what ends up happening is Russia, Iran, and Turkey started cutting a deal to run a pipeline from the same gas field.
01:25:59.320That was also problematic about Trump getting out of the Iran nuke deal unilaterally in that respect, right?
01:26:05.840Because we have now pushed Iran further away into that sphere of influence.
01:26:12.740As it pertains to the gas trade-offs and the conflicts in Europe, I don't know.
01:26:24.640Israel and the United States teamed up to create a virus that blew up centrifuges in Iran, which—act of war much.
01:26:30.420I'm surprised it didn't escalate in a dangerous way.
01:26:32.200Yeah, I mean, but fortunately, one of the best things that Obama did was to make that nuke deal.
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01:37:29.000We did Timcast News for a while, and then we had another company called Scanner that we are trying to get off the ground, and it's still there, but we're in a holding pattern.
01:37:39.660Content is still being produced for Scanner, but we have to figure out, like, here's the reality, man.
01:37:45.540News articles, the news media is a very, very difficult thing to monetize.
01:37:50.900You can write articles all day and night.
01:37:52.300You can send reporters on the ground, which we do, and then figuring out how to make that sustainable is incredibly difficult, and it gets to that point where, you know, we can't.
01:37:59.140But I will say, in regards to what happened Monday last week, oh, yeah.
01:38:04.500So one of the offers we got was $30 million, and it comes with caveats.
01:38:09.440And so we go to these other companies and say, what are your terms?
01:38:24.520It sounds like they paid a hefty amount.
01:38:29.080I mean, if you're Dave Rubin, what do you think about that?
01:38:31.840Like, I mean, if you're Dave Rubin and somebody says, we're going to give you $100,000 a video, doesn't that, like, make you go, like, what's up with this?
01:38:39.560No, because what's interesting in the indictment is you can see that, independent of each other, several people made the same negotiations.
01:38:46.120A lot of this goes through agents, and agents go to a market standard rate when you're negotiating.
01:39:38.640We're talking about the value of a license agreement where a company would have the ability to run sponsorships on their end.
01:39:44.780So, if we're talking about, say, Tim Cast's IRL in the morning show, which we do around a million in revenue per month, then a comparable show, you're going to say this when you're licensing a show.
01:39:56.340If we run the show by ourselves for a year or two, then here's how much we're going to generate in sponsorships, memberships, et cetera, by the end of year two, three, four, and five.
01:40:05.740If we do a license deal, we jump the gun.
01:40:08.680We generate lesser revenue than we would in the long term, but it closes the gap sooner.
01:40:35.620I mean, this is not like some strange person appeared out of nowhere.
01:40:38.960It raises questions to me about where the Blaze got.
01:40:41.700I mean, I think, you know, it's quite clear to me that, I mean, you know, there was reports about like the, in the run up to the election, George Santos was on a Zoom call where people were getting paid at least $20,000 to put out stuff that Kamala Harris was a slut on their social media and stuff like that.
01:41:04.640And I'm like, I've been doing this for 20 years and, you know, it's not a huge amount of competition on the left and I've never, nobody's ever offered me five bucks to do anything like that.
01:41:16.140Let me, let me, let me let you in on the secret.
01:41:43.060And you'd have no way to track or control any of that.
01:41:45.620So this is, this, you know, it's okay.
01:41:48.400This, I got a, uh, this does happen though, where companies, politicians will use some kind of special interest and you can run an ad for any product you want, which is the crazy thing.
01:41:59.860Well, yeah, this is what Trump is doing with his, uh, watches, right?
01:42:02.560Like I'm going to sell, um, 147 watches at whatever it was, 10 grand a pop.
01:42:08.240And it's basically a way for, uh, people to launder money to him because it's like, oh, I just bought a watch and that's basically it.
01:42:17.140And so he knows, you're allowed to buy watches.
01:42:20.840I mean, uh, maybe we should regulate politicians selling products during elections.
01:42:36.480Uh, we can talk about Israel if you want.
01:42:39.180I mean, I, you know, uh, I'm, I, I'm of the mind of, you know, what we're doing is, uh, obscene and, uh, I'm, uh, I'm, uh, I'm unhappy about it.
01:42:52.860One is, uh, horrible and the other one's worse in terms of, uh, of, of these governments.
01:42:58.340I mean, uh, do you, do you think we should cut off funding, pull out and just be done with it?
01:43:02.200Well, I think that we should, uh, condition aid to Israel.
01:43:06.340I mean, I think that we should, you know, if we have leverage in, uh, in any type of situation, we should exercise that leverage in terms of, uh, of Ukraine.
01:43:16.580You know, we, uh, had a treaty with them when they gave up nukes in 93, uh, saying that we would protect them in the event of, uh, Russian aggression or an agreement.
01:43:58.000We saw that with, uh, with, uh, you know, uh, Paris Accords and, um, uh, well, it's easier, obviously, if it's a treaty, it needs to be, uh, uh, you know, we need to bring the Senate in.
01:44:09.780But, um, I, I am, uh, you know, I think that that, uh, aid that we provide for Ukraine should have an exit strategy to it.
01:44:21.940I haven't seen one, but I also am not convinced that that's been a function of the election.
01:44:27.060Haven't we spent more on Ukraine in the past two years than we have on Israel in 50?
01:58:57.080It could be more than two, like Syria, for instance.
01:59:00.100I think there was, like, 12 factions in the initial...
01:59:02.580Well, tango, both parties are, like, engaged in the dance.
01:59:08.700But the fact of the matter is that you can go in and, yes, you can invade its war, even if they surrender after, you know, people getting shot.
01:59:16.540But do you think that, like, Kamala Harris...
02:00:16.840I'd say there's pros and cons to make a guess as to who you think would be more likely to bring out the National Guard or invoke the Insurrection Act.
02:01:58.260In 2020, before the election took place, a war game was held by prominent neoconservatives and Democrats, including John Podesta.
02:02:05.560Oh, so you mean like a bunch of people who are out of government went into a room and...
02:02:10.160Working on the campaign and said, what happens if Trump wins?
02:02:14.140And one of the proposals was Washington, Oregon, and California must secede from the union unless Trump's government capitulates to our demands.
02:02:22.580And that was just the most insane thing I'd ever heard.
02:02:25.120They're not just going through a bunch of different people out of government are just going around.
02:03:13.780Wait, did Panetta say this or this just...
02:03:16.900There's like 14 different scenarios that are being gamed out and because they're doing the war game, this is one of them that happens in this sort of completely hypothetical thing.
02:05:05.860It was the year 2000, where all of the legal establishment was shocked that the Supreme Court intervened and prevented Florida from counting all the votes.
02:05:17.820And to the extent that we, you know, past performance is no guarantee of future performance, but the Democrats basically stood down.
02:05:28.860Do you think Democrats would just stand down and let Trump come in?
02:05:32.040I think they were—I would be surprised if there weren't, like, massive protests, and I think we would see states attempt to get more progressive and become more sustainable and not rely on the federal government as much.
02:09:42.080But again, the question I ask, do you think—can you come up with a scenario where Harris instigates a civil war in the way that you talked about with Trump doing it?
02:09:55.980The expansive arrest and prosecution of Donald Trump, his supporters, and those associated with his movement.
02:10:00.980Well, the—Bannon went to jail, and Navarro went to jail, and there was no civil war.
02:10:07.540Why would that right now, as an election is looming?
02:10:10.760So another example would be, let's say Donald Trump actually is losing on Election Day, and votes are going to come in, and they sue and get his votes disqualified.
02:10:57.200Donald Trump is going to outsource so much of, like, you know, all his picks were picked by the Heritage Foundation for the Supreme Court.
02:11:06.160There is a huge—between Russell Vogt, who was not only one of the architects of Project 2025, but he was also the chair of the Republican Platform Committee, they have outlined their entire program to dismantle the administrative state.
02:11:27.280Donald Trump is not going to get involved in the micro parts.
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02:13:25.300So there's two potentialities, and we'll keep them simple.
02:13:29.080Do you think that Trump supporters, his fans, his administration, the people you've just mentioned, will just let the Democrats take over and put him in jail and do the things they want to do?
02:13:41.620Well, I don't think Democrats are just going to put him in jail.
02:14:17.840If you're saying that people are attuned to expect a January 6th, would that not also include those who seek to perpetrate a January 6th, meaning they will be prepared for countermeasures?
02:14:27.940I mean, I guess that's conceivable, but I don't think that's a civil war at that point.
02:14:32.600I think actually the way that I think I think.
02:14:55.100Do you believe that there is a single digit probability of a second January 6th type event?
02:15:00.800Trump loses and then his supporters come out in mass.
02:15:03.320I think that I mean, it's conceivable that there is an event, but he doesn't have control of the government in this instance where he did before.
02:15:15.020And so people just showed up like they weren't government actors.
02:15:19.480The 200000 who showed up in D.C. that day.
02:15:22.040Well, I mean, he planned a rally on the ellipse.
02:15:26.380I mean, you can tweet that out again and it could happen again.
02:15:28.440He could he could tweet that out, but there's not going to be a rally.
02:15:30.940He's not going to be able to have a rally there.
02:18:17.140I mean, in Seattle with the Chaz Chop, you had armed guards outside, took over a police station and killed people.
02:18:25.000They unloaded hundreds of rounds from rifles into a white SUV with two teenagers in it.
02:18:29.000So if we're going to ignore the wave of mass violence, the 36 deaths in 2020 and act like only the right is capable of violence, it's silly.
02:18:45.780But we do know that both are capable and we don't know to what degree is required to start.
02:18:50.340You and I both know what the bulk of people who own weapons in this country.
02:18:54.660We can look at the Department of Justice, regardless of who has been ahead of the administration and see that they have been saying for decades that these militias exist on the right and they're far more prominent.
02:20:10.460But at the time, they didn't think civil war started until well after the fact to the degree that the Battle of Bull Run, they were picnicking.
02:20:16.580Despite we know historically the civil war started, they did not make that determination.
02:20:20.540So you could argue history is written by the victors in the event that the right and reason why I say there's a greater risk for civil war from the right is they're the ones actively calling for national divorce, which is a mistake.
02:20:30.100They're the ones who are more likely to well, January 6th, for instance, was bad.
02:20:36.280The left, while they riot and there is violence from them, it is what I would call blunt widespread low impact on the right.
02:20:43.880It's typically high impact less not as widespread.
02:20:47.540January 6th was a riot in one of the worst ways imaginable at a Capitol building during the election.
02:20:52.760The counting electoral vote, the certification, that's what I would call acute, acute domestic violence.
02:20:57.440And that was also really going towards the heart of a civil society, which is the peaceful transfer of power.
02:21:06.360I mean, you know, to the extent that there were riots or protests, the idea was to to change public policy, to show dissatisfaction with the police state or the state of policing.
02:21:27.160That is not a undermining of the fundamental principles of the way that the of basically undercutting across the board.
02:21:40.960So the political process, the issue is that I see is that if you're saying something like the threat comes from the right.
02:21:50.200There is a higher probability of instability or conflict arising from actions on the right because their actions tend to be acute.
02:21:56.520January 6th, sharp and extremely potentially dangerous.
02:22:00.380The left, however, does show a different propensity for violence, which we call blunt obtuse.
02:22:04.100That is, the widespread riots of 2020 were not targeted at a Capitol building during election, but they were substantially larger, resulting in 30 around 30 or so deaths.
02:22:13.360I think we attribute around 20 plus to the director rights.
02:22:16.120And then there were ancillary deaths as a result of the actions of the riots.
02:22:18.620There were the seizure of autonomous zones like in Seattle.
02:22:21.760There was an attempt in Portland, Minnesota, Atlanta.
02:22:24.740And when we're talking about what could ignite a civil war, you don't need only acute, but it is a higher risk.
02:22:33.780That is, you will more likely hear on the news a guy goes into a church and shoots a bunch of people because of how extreme and psychotic it is, though it happens substantially less than leftists punching someone in the head.
02:22:45.400Nobody really cares if a fight breaks out in the middle of Portland.
02:22:48.940But if you get to the point where you get a Summer of Love 2020 with a Donald Trump in office and this time around he says, I'm sending in the National Guard, you may end up with conflict, civil strife, insurgency instigated by left violence.
02:23:02.080Whereas with the right, you could get January 6, 2.0, where they injure politicians.
02:23:07.640I'm like sitting here in amazement to the extent that you have contemplated these things that and have created this whole sort of like macro associated with it.
02:23:22.980That is, I think, incredibly unlikely, A, and B.
02:23:30.700I never said it was incredibly likely.
02:23:45.900But the, one of the things that I'm amazed about is how, and I think this is sort of was my point about you bringing it up so much, the, you know, I suppose I can understand why like the Atlantic wants to make an opinion piece on it because it's sort of like clickbaity stuff.
02:24:04.300But the depth in which you are, you go into these scenarios, which again, I think are incredibly unlikely, and also some attempt to create some type of equivalence, although you do concede that the probability is higher on the, that this is going to come from the right, versus like Social Security.
02:24:26.860Well, real quick, I'll answer your point before you get to Social Security.
02:24:31.160I do think it's a bit unfair for you to ask me why I think a thing and then get mad that I brought it up.
02:24:35.940Well, no, I mean, I, no, I, I, I mean, I, I, I, I didn't.
02:24:40.280How could the leftist, well, here's one way, ha ha, why did you even think of something like that?
02:24:43.600Well, you'd never, you haven't, still haven't answered that question.
02:24:45.820You can ask me about quantum physics and.
02:24:47.640You're just talking about like blunt violence.
02:24:48.400Well, if you can't understand it, I can't help you.
02:25:01.360I'm just, I just said, I was amazed that the depth in which you do that relative to how much little time you spend on something like just even learning the basics of something like Social Security,
02:25:12.660which essentially our government does three things.
02:25:20.380It, and then provides Medicare and Social Security.
02:25:23.100I mean, just on a dollar per dollar basis.
02:25:25.760Well, I think it's fair to point out as pertaining to Social Security is if I'm going to read the Atlantic and comment on it, criticize me for having unoriginal thoughts.
02:25:32.460If I'm going to read Forbes and comment on it, criticize me for having unoriginal thoughts.
02:25:35.180No, I don't think you should have original thoughts.
02:25:49.580I read Forbes saying that insolvency is coming and the system can't sustain itself because on average you need 2.8 to 4 workers to maintain a single recipient.
02:26:03.160I mean, one of the things that, you know, I think, and when you brought up, like, you know, all the Dave Rubin videos I do, or we do a lot of videos about you.
02:26:14.140We got 230,000 views on that Social Security video.
02:26:20.340And I can tell you, I've talked about Social Security so many times, never gotten those type of numbers.
02:26:25.300But your presentation and lack of awareness about it gave me the opportunity to explain Social Security to 200,000 people that wouldn't do it.
02:27:13.920But you then pontificate and say Social Security is a dumb idea.
02:27:18.140You don't realize that increase in productivity means that while it may have been, you know, two workers for every one Social Security person back in the day, or I should say vice versa, one worker for every two retirees.
02:27:33.500Now it can be one worker for every four retirees because of increase in productivity.
02:27:38.240And Social Security is not going insolvent.
02:27:40.440There is a trust fund that was established during the Reagan era.
02:27:44.620And that will last for another 10 years if we don't do anything else.
02:27:51.660But everything else in this country will go broke.
02:27:55.800I'm in complete agreement with you as one of the challenges we face.
02:27:58.560A lot of people like to attribute to me, and I say this as many times as I can, I just read the news and opine on it.
02:28:06.660One of the things that I have criticized you for in the past is that you don't go in depth with the serious stuff and actually, like, learn about this stuff.
02:33:18.140Do you think there should be restrictions on abortion?
02:33:20.540I mean, the problem with the restrictions, like, for instance, we say only in the case of, let's say, a danger to a woman, you know, or a woman's life,
02:33:38.260is that that is extremely difficult to assess where that line is.
02:33:45.340Two women have died at least in Texas as a function of the abortion ban that they have there.
02:33:52.120We also know that infant mortality in the wake of the Texas thing, because there's been studies on this, increased 15 percent in the wake of the abortion ban there.
02:34:02.940So, in general, I would say that restrictions are, in practice, not viable, not doable, because you end up costing women their lives.
02:34:18.740I think that to the extent that I would have restrictions, I think you need a medical provider to provide abortions, you know, in that go past the maybe midway through the second trimester.
02:34:32.080Like, do you think that with elective abortion should be available up to nine months?
02:34:37.680If it's, if it is a, I think that is the safest route for women, if it is done by a medical provider, yeah.
02:34:53.320Meaning, no reason given, no medical issues, just a woman saying, you know what, my, my.
02:34:59.000I've carried this baby for eight and a half months and I've changed my mind.
02:35:02.120Well, it's a little crass way of putting it.
02:35:03.500I think some women are going through some serious crises in their lives and they may make a decision that's a bit more than just they've changed their mind.
02:35:09.780Like, for instance, where a woman is being battered by her husband and then she realizes at month six that if she has this kid, he's going to continue to beat and harm the child and she can't stay with him or something.
02:35:20.340Well, I think, you know, like, I'm not going to assess people's reasons for having an abortion.
02:35:24.900It's not really my business, but I think that having restrictions ends up costing women's lives.
02:35:32.680And and so I would, on balance, not not have restrictions outside of like, obviously, like, you know, particularly as you get further into the pregnancy requirements about medical, you know, medical certified medical providers.
02:35:49.260So let's say let's say you have a scenario where a woman goes to a Planned Parenthood, six months pregnant, and she just says, I don't want to explain it.
02:35:58.060I just would like to get an abortion. Is that a she should be allowed?
02:36:00.880There should be just medical professionals say we're going to do it.
02:36:05.040I think I think it's OK to, you know, explore it and get a sense, you know, as you would for any type of like, you know, medical procedure.
02:36:15.660What does that mean? Like, I think that there's there's an obligation within the context of like ethical practice of medicine to not just terminate a baby at six months without reason.
02:36:27.760Well, no, I'm not saying that they should adjudicate this, but I don't think that like the, you know, necessarily medical providers are going to be just like, you know, hop up here.
02:36:39.340I mean, I think there are procedures in which they do it, but essentially, as long as it's like sort of like, you know, they're following, you know, medical procedures.
02:36:48.940Like, I don't think that somebody can, you know, walk in here at six months and say to you, like, can you get rid of my baby?
02:37:35.340Like, and this is what I'm talking about, why you have women who have died in Texas, and there's probably a lot more that we're not aware of, is that imposing these restrictions is not like there's no, there's no, like, bulb that shows up when you say this child is 100% not viable.
02:37:59.920Or that you are, you know, like, you're not threatened.
02:38:01.920Or that you are, your life is 100% not threatened.
02:38:06.960If the woman's life is in jeopardy, it's 20%.
02:38:09.480And this is, you know, a vague, you know, a doctor doesn't have like some meter that they put on the, you know, the woman and say, oh, okay, your life is at 20%.
02:38:18.420Uh, no, these are vague, uh, uh, determinations.
02:38:23.340And when you impose these type of restrictions on what invariably happens is women die because in real life, not hypothetical world, in real life, the doctors are afraid of, of crossing a threshold where they could get imprisoned or they could lose their license.
02:38:42.540Or, uh, you know, conceivably the woman might too.
02:38:46.680And so I leave it up to a doctor and the patient.
02:38:51.180I don't know what constitutes even elective.
02:38:54.760Like, is it elective if there's a 20% chance I'm going to die?
02:39:23.400There are conservatives who believe that if the baby is, well, for many, I don't even believe in IVF because even a fertilized, you know, embryo is life.
02:39:37.540Well, it's, I would contend that we're talking about the death of a fetus.
02:39:45.380So the issue is whether someone determines personhood or not is a legal constitutional question that needs to be answered.
02:39:52.760For instance, in Civil War, they didn't think black people were humans who had civil rights.
02:39:57.320And that's clearly the psychotic way to view the world.
02:40:01.080But you holding the view that an unborn child is or is not, an individual who holds a view, whether they are or not, is an unanswered question at the Supreme Court level that I believe sooner or later will be answered.
02:40:12.040And they may make a determination that the unborn are persons who are.
02:48:23.860If you're a victim and you want accountability and justice, you have to go to court.
02:48:27.820Well, what if you make the determination that, I don't want to go through what is involved with getting accountability and justice, but I also don't want to carry my rapist child?
02:48:40.140In that scenario, the woman is out of luck, according to you.
02:48:43.960If you are not willing to take your responsibilities-
02:49:30.060Make an argument, don't say nonsense words like rape-
02:49:32.260The argument is, is that what you are suggesting is that a woman who is raped has a responsibility that has been bestowed upon them by the rapist.
03:03:31.720My issue with that was Democrats and Republicans both will argue they're for something, but then use it as a wedge issue.
03:03:36.720The left was essentially, as a political matter, was fine with Roe v. Wade and Casey, for that matter.
03:03:47.200I mean, to the extent that there was any talk about abortion rights amongst Democrats and the left, it was to lock it in because the right is coming for this right.