The Culture War - Tim Pool - November 22, 2025


Trump Admin Declares Mass Migration An EXISTENTIAL THREAT | Across The Pond


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1 hour and 5 minutes

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Summary

We're back for another installation of Across the Pond! This time, we're joined by a guest from across the pond to talk about immigration, racism, and the dangers of mass migration. Plus, we have a new segment called Across The Pond, in which we talk about all things across-the- pond.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I'm now the inverse. I'm very keen on Donald Trump to basically make Keir Starmer look like a total invalid, an NPC, someone who has no charisma, no legitimacy, and just to mug him relentlessly.
00:00:11.560 The number one reason people would cite when applying for asylum was something along the lines of, my country's economy sucks.
00:00:18.580 It's like, okay, let's, not a human right, the fact that your country's like broke and you're poor and like your whole country sucks, not a reason to apply for asylum.
00:00:25.560 If anything, there's a reason to turn you away because if you're anything like your country, man, you're going to tank our country.
00:00:32.060 What is up, guys? This is Tate Brown here holding it down. We are back for another installation of Across the Pond.
00:00:38.160 It is the weekend special here. It is, it's really something. We've gotten some great feedback from you guys.
00:00:43.580 We're super thankful. Like you guys have been giving us a lot of, a lot of love and supporting the show.
00:00:48.060 So it's been really cool. So we're slowly, slowly working things up. Connor, how's it going, man?
00:00:52.120 Excellent. I'm glad that your mother has so many alt accounts so that she can basically manufacture consent for Tim to give us a show.
00:00:58.620 I also really like that you either look like you're occupying Patrick Bateman's office or you look like you've been called into the boss's office in a Silicon Valley tech firm to be told you're being replaced by H1B Indian.
00:01:09.640 It's true. It's, it's taking me back to my times in corporate America, getting yanked into the HR office because my joke was so funny that HR wanted to hear it in person.
00:01:20.480 So, uh, yeah, that's, there's something with the, I think it's the blinds, I think really amplify the sort of wage cage aesthetic, which is what I'm going for.
00:01:28.900 Cause that's where I truly feel most at home. I love nothing more than like a Keurig cup of coffee, heading to the water cooler, you know, debating on whether or not your coworker's pregnant with, with the other coworkers.
00:01:41.480 Like there's really something about that. Like really looking forward to doing like a Chili's lunch. I miss it, man. I miss it very much.
00:01:49.240 Mr. Incredible hunched over in his cubicle being waiting to be told off by his dwarf boss. Yeah.
00:01:54.400 Literally me, me trying to post racist statistics on Twitter without alerting the local HR manager.
00:02:01.580 Oh, it's really horrific, horrific times, but look, it's all right. We're here.
00:02:05.700 And I now have a new job, which is to give you racist statistics on YouTube.
00:02:09.800 So it's really exciting stuff. We got a big story. We got a huge story.
00:02:13.940 Actually. We were like, once we saw this dropped, we were like, well, this is going to take up the majority of the show.
00:02:18.980 The state department has issued a warning.
00:02:22.720 They're saying mass migration is a threat against the United States and its allies.
00:02:27.220 Duh, but it's crazy hearing that from the state department.
00:02:29.900 So I'm just going to jump right in. I'm going to read the tweet here from the state department.
00:02:35.380 Sorry, the post from the state department.
00:02:37.660 Mass migration poses a existential threat to Western civilization and undermines the stability of key American allies.
00:02:45.660 So true.
00:02:46.580 Today, the state department instructed U S embassies to report on the human rights implication implications and public safety impacts of mass migration.
00:02:54.880 Mass migration is a human rights concern.
00:02:57.460 Western nations have endured crime waves, terror attacks, sexual assaults, and the displacement of communities.
00:03:03.320 U S officials will urge governments to take bold action and defend citizens against the threats posed by mass migration.
00:03:10.780 I'll keep reading.
00:03:11.680 Officials will also report policies that punish citizens who object to continued mass migration and document crimes and human rights abuses committed by people of a migration background.
00:03:21.220 These issues have plagued citizens of Western nations for years and the United Kingdom.
00:03:26.740 Thousands of girls have been victimized in Rotherham, Oxford, and Newcastle by grooming gangs involving migrant men.
00:03:33.520 Many girls were left to suffer unspeakable abuse for years before authority stepped in.
00:03:37.420 In Sweden, an Eritrean migrant convicted of R-wording, a 16-year-old girl was allowed to remain in the country after a judge ruled that the incident was not a, quote, exceptionally serious crime and did not warrant deportation.
00:03:51.720 And they give you one more example here.
00:03:52.940 In Germany, nine men, several of whom were migrants, were convicted for the gang grape of a 15-year-old girl.
00:04:00.380 A German woman who insulted one of the grapevests online was given a harsher sentence than the perpetrators themselves.
00:04:07.560 U S officials will now scrutinize policies in Western nations that give leniency to migrant crime and human rights abuses or that create two tiered systems that prioritize migrants at the expense of their own citizens.
00:04:16.980 The United States, here's how they finish off here.
00:04:19.180 The United States supports the sovereignty of our allies and calls on governments to constructively engage with the growing number of citizens concerned about mass migration.
00:04:27.600 The United States stands ready to assist in our allies in solving the global crisis of mass migration.
00:04:33.300 Connor, do my eyes deceive me?
00:04:34.600 Is this a statement from the Department of State of the United States of America?
00:04:38.740 Yeah, patriots and posters in control, it turns out.
00:04:40.940 The most wild thing was in, I mean, there's a lot to break down here, but is in the second tweet where it notes that migrant crimes, including terror attacks, assaults, and it lists among the equivalent immoral actions.
00:04:57.600 To those violent crimes, the displacement of communities, white flight replacement migration is officially, according to U S state department policy, a human rights abuse akin to murder and sexual assault.
00:05:12.440 Like, thank you.
00:05:13.980 That is, that is what we wanted to hear because we are being systematically pushed out of our historic homelands, our towns and cities.
00:05:19.780 And until, you know, posters have been in control in the Trump administration, and look, there's plenty to chimp out about, they need to do better, etc.
00:05:26.880 But until our guys entered the state department and were issuing edicts like this and actually changing what the ambassadors in our respective countries need to report and putting pressure on governments.
00:05:37.360 Until that, the only thing that we heard from so-called conservatives from the states was, well, if you can't afford to move because we've imported a million Indians into your city, maybe you should just buy homes elsewhere.
00:05:47.600 Or, in the UK, we had Peter Hitchens post the other day, as we discussed last week, well, if you're a young Briton, get out while you still can.
00:05:56.020 Meanwhile, bring back terrorist Shamima Begum from a camp in the middle of Syria to repopulate Britain with ISIS brides.
00:06:03.380 So, it's actually very encouraging that they've said, no, like, pressuring people out of their neighborhoods, the places that their ancestors built, and as J.D. Vance said, want to be laid to rest in the family plot one day.
00:06:17.680 That is a human rights abuse, according to the definition of human rights they're using, which is an even more interesting one to go on.
00:06:23.660 Because the Washington Post have a meltdown about this.
00:06:25.740 They have been very upset that the U.S. State Department had the temerity to read your Declaration of Independence and Constitution and find among the penumbras that said rights are God-given and they are inalienable for the innocent human person.
00:06:40.820 They are not universalist international legal fictions that allow North African sex offenders to break into a country and stay there at my expense.
00:06:49.860 And so, they are infuriated that they dare evoke Christianity in this.
00:06:55.340 And so, the understanding of this is that, rather than believing that we're all blank slates and so the criminal is actually the victim because some form of inequality caused them to commit a crime in your society and taking the side of the migrant criminal.
00:07:08.060 Instead, it is taking the side of the innocent white European men, women, and children who have been pushed out of their communities and preyed upon by men who never needed to be in the country in the first place.
00:07:18.000 I just cannot applaud this more.
00:07:20.300 Yeah.
00:07:21.080 Yeah, this is a massive vibe shift, obviously.
00:07:24.220 I don't need to elaborate on how big of a reorientation this was, not just from the Biden State Department, but from, like, every State Department for the last 60 years, which have given a rubber stamp to mass migration.
00:07:35.960 They've been encouraging it.
00:07:36.840 They've been participating in these U.N. panels where they sit there in a struggle session over the fact that, like, white people do seem to, for whatever reason, create some not terrible societies.
00:07:46.000 I mean, there's something to be said about that.
00:07:48.000 I also found the statement about the displacement of communities remarkable to see that included because, I mean, I was reading this.
00:07:54.120 I was already hyped.
00:07:54.760 I was like, this is a great statement.
00:07:55.680 And then I see they issue a warning about the displacement of communities.
00:07:59.380 It's fantastic.
00:08:00.220 Something else that was interesting in here, we can drill down more on specifically why the displacement of communities is such a horrific thing to be occurring.
00:08:06.380 I like that they're really weaponizing.
00:08:10.760 I mean, human rights law has been weaponized against Westerners for a very long time, against Western countries.
00:08:16.600 It's, again, it's been this kind of thing that is just used to browbeat, specifically the United States, on the international scene.
00:08:22.780 I mean, here where they're using human rights, kind of what you're supposed to be using them for.
00:08:27.780 I mean, they lead off this statement by saying this mass migration undermines the stability of key American allies.
00:08:35.560 And that's absolutely the case.
00:08:37.620 And so I'm relieved to see human rights will actually be really deployed in the way that it should be, which is, yeah, I kind of have the right to live somewhere that my ancestors invested in, sort of anticipating that it would be passed down to me.
00:08:50.920 I do actually kind of have the right to that.
00:08:53.880 You know, many in the sphere have disagreed with that consensus.
00:08:57.500 But, no, that is the right.
00:08:58.780 And so it's very good to see the State Department drilling down on that.
00:09:01.720 I mean, look, obviously the crime waves, terror attacks, sexual assaults, that alone gives them the justification to sort of reorient the State Department in this way.
00:09:11.640 But whoever it was in the State Department, or probably a good majority of people in the State Department that insisted that displacement of communities is a human rights violation, is excellent.
00:09:22.860 It illustrates that patriots are indeed in control.
00:09:25.820 And, you know, not to kind of go off on this tangent, because full disclosure, we will be having John Doyle as a guest later on today.
00:09:31.780 And I'm sure he's going to want to elaborate on this much more.
00:09:33.940 But there is something to be said about we had a week of everybody dooming and blackpilling over the Trump administration.
00:09:39.300 A lot of people chimping, et cetera, et cetera.
00:09:42.000 And then the State Department comes out with something like this, where this is, this alone would be the most right-wing, just isolated from everything else, would be the most right-wing action a government has taken since, I don't know, maybe Nixon.
00:09:51.720 I mean, this is really, this is really, really tremendous stuff.
00:09:55.120 They go on to explain, again, this is the State Department addressing an international situation.
00:09:59.580 They're addressing our, what is affecting our allies.
00:10:01.760 I think that's also really remarkable.
00:10:03.520 And they go in, they explain here, in the United Kingdom, obviously they're referring to these grooming gang scandals that have been occurring all across the UK.
00:10:11.640 And I don't know about you guys, you know, it did seem like from the State side, people were kind of vaguely aware of what was going on, but it didn't really seem like it was causing, it wasn't dominating headlines over here.
00:10:23.060 It was kind of one of those things that you had to be pretty politically active to be aware of.
00:10:27.560 You know, Elon and others had amplified it, but for the most part, it was not something that was sort of, you know, being discussed at the kitchen table in the United States for, you know, this side or the other.
00:10:37.880 The Department of State has now addressed this, and this was the first example they cited as a human rights violation that is destabilizing an ally.
00:10:46.300 What does that say about sort of the Trump administration's view of Western countries?
00:10:51.440 Because that was kind of the concern for the longest time is the liberal media will be like, oh, well, you know, he's trying to screw over our allies.
00:10:57.840 He's America only, like he's an isolationist, this, that, and the other.
00:11:01.600 This, to me, seems like he's a friend of other sort of patriots all across the West that are looking to save their countries as well.
00:11:08.740 I mean, this seems like a really encouraging sign if you were a Brit or even a Swede or German, really just anyone of a Western background.
00:11:14.120 Well, I'm increasingly seeing isolationists being used as a slur by people who are frustrated that President Trump and members of MAGA are not interested in hunting for the next George Washington in the foothills of Afghanistan or turning Ukraine into a vessel for gay race communism,
00:11:31.080 and are instead actually interested in building relationships with friendly, allied nations, not just in the sort of liberal, pluralist, you know, you're for gay race communism,
00:11:41.760 we're one big bloc imposing our views on dilapidated deserts in the Middle East, but instead, hey, we kind of like each other, we have a positive cultural exchange, we like actually visiting each other's countries.
00:11:54.060 And so, this is why the US is getting closer with Japan, its actual greatest ally, and it's getting closer with the motherland, the UK, despite its treacherous government ruling over the beleaguered, patriotic British majority.
00:12:06.860 They still see that they have a constituency there, thanks very much to the visual representation of the Unite the Kingdom rallies,
00:12:13.760 where up to a million people turned out in a largely peaceful and patriotic demonstration that Elon Musk spoke at via video link,
00:12:20.580 and lots of figures on the British right also addressed the crowds there.
00:12:23.280 And they were demonised, black and blue, but it turns out that they are more numerous than the governments who have now had to erect massive fences around the Houses of Parliament for the first time,
00:12:34.320 because they know how hated they are.
00:12:36.700 And so, what this says is, one, there is a poster to policy pipeline, because it's not just Elon Musk amplifying the awareness of the grooming gang scandal that's been going on for decades,
00:12:45.800 and was deliberately covered up by politicians, social workers, police officers, some of whom were members of the gangs and the media,
00:12:52.440 but, and I'll be careful what I say here, in some small way, I may have contributed to this because I've been reporting on this for some time,
00:13:00.920 and I know that there are guys in the administration who follow my coverage of my country to know what's going on on my side of the pond.
00:13:08.500 That's kind of one of the reasons for this show, so we can keep having that exchange to our respective audiences.
00:13:13.540 And so, this has been brought to their attention in granular detail.
00:13:17.920 They are aware that the UK government has been imprisoning people for complaining about mass migration,
00:13:24.120 that there has been a two-tier justice system.
00:13:26.000 That is why it's embedded there.
00:13:27.160 It's an accusation which particularly stings for Keir Starmer, because Elon Musk, I don't know if he coined the term,
00:13:32.100 but he certainly popularised the nickname, two-tier Keir.
00:13:34.300 And it was so bad that during the post-Southport murders protests,
00:13:39.620 the Department for Digital Media, Culture and Sport, and the Department of Science and Technology
00:13:43.740 were emailing X, TikTok, etc., and asking them to take down reels and posts
00:13:49.760 that had mentioned two-tier Keir, two-tier justice, and narratives about fighting age male asylum seekers committing crimes.
00:13:55.600 You know, all things that are true.
00:13:57.360 So, it's not just the posts that are getting to the policy on your side of the Atlantic,
00:14:02.460 but posts are getting to the politicians in my country and making them realise how hated they are.
00:14:07.360 So, the moral of this story is, keep posting.
00:14:09.880 Like, seriously, guys.
00:14:10.780 Even though we last week discussed whether or not, you know, people saying MAGA was over,
00:14:15.300 it's time to blackpill, it's time to break away,
00:14:18.280 there is still a potential to leverage pressure, both on people that hate you
00:14:22.700 and people that are amenable to your concerns,
00:14:24.160 if you do keep posting in a way which is artful, articulate,
00:14:31.000 and not just low impulse control and low brow.
00:14:35.300 As far as the grooming gangs themselves go,
00:14:37.740 again, it's worth putting on the radar of Americans
00:14:40.180 that the Labour government has acquiesced to a national inquiry
00:14:44.540 after a report came out that said,
00:14:47.680 wow, the overwhelming number of these perpetrators are Pakistani.
00:14:50.280 Wow, the previous reports have tried to actually bury the ethnicity data
00:14:53.460 and have covered it up.
00:14:54.420 Turns out, there are guys that are coming across on small boats
00:14:56.960 and then joining the grooming gangs of predominantly Pakistani men,
00:15:00.680 many of whom are born in this country
00:15:02.060 and are using existing drug gangs and even police forces
00:15:05.160 to traffic the girls and drug them.
00:15:07.120 So, when that came out and the national outcry reached a fever pitch,
00:15:10.240 the Labour government went,
00:15:11.120 well, okay, we've been calling it a dog whistle and a far-right bandwagon,
00:15:14.200 but I guess it's time to do a full-stage inquiry now.
00:15:17.360 They then scaled it back,
00:15:18.780 so it's not a national inquiry, it's local inquiries,
00:15:20.940 and they still haven't appointed the chair.
00:15:22.760 And in the meantime, the former Home Secretary,
00:15:25.540 who was going to appoint the chair,
00:15:26.640 has been swapped out with Shabana Mahmood,
00:15:29.280 a Pakistani woman who says her Sunni Muslim faith
00:15:32.060 is the reason she's in public life.
00:15:33.580 So excuse me if I don't think that they're going to carry this out
00:15:36.580 as is required.
00:15:38.920 And then the final thing to mention as well,
00:15:40.800 relating to migration and censorship and the grooming gangs,
00:15:43.540 is Labour are currently pursuing an Islamophobia definition
00:15:46.060 that says any conversation about the ethnic and religious composition of the gangs
00:15:49.720 is itself anti-Muslim racism.
00:15:52.360 So, I am very happy that the State Department are keeping a keen and watchful eye
00:15:57.240 on what's going on in Britain.
00:15:58.120 I'm glad they haven't fallen for any of the lies that Keir Starmer has told
00:16:01.040 repeatedly to President Trump's face.
00:16:03.600 And, as always, if they would like further information slid across their desk
00:16:08.500 from Brits who have been keeping track of this sort of thing,
00:16:11.080 they always know where my email is.
00:16:14.300 Yeah.
00:16:16.180 Dude, I mean, look, coming into this Trump administration,
00:16:19.460 the discourse from our friends, not just in the UK,
00:16:23.240 but, you know, broadly across Western and Central Europe and Northern Europe,
00:16:27.300 was, look, the Trump administration is going to take the boot off of our neck
00:16:32.160 for four years.
00:16:33.100 That was sort of the appeal, you know, that's what was in it for our friends
00:16:37.520 all across the West, in addition to Japan, Australia.
00:16:41.080 South Korea.
00:16:43.520 Something that I don't think people anticipated beyond taking the boot off
00:16:46.820 the neck was actively playing a role in sort of pushing back some of this
00:16:52.100 nonsense that's been occurring in the countries.
00:16:54.120 I mean, there's a report here from GB News, it looks like, from our friend
00:16:56.660 Stephen Eddington, friend of the show.
00:16:58.560 Donald Trump urges Keir Starmer to, quote,
00:17:00.580 protect Britons from mass migration as U.S. issues.
00:17:03.380 Gangs warnings or grape gangs.
00:17:05.040 I hope to touch that up in post.
00:17:06.060 Again, this was obviously on the back of this State Department decree.
00:17:12.540 This isn't just the Trump administration taking the boot off of the neck of
00:17:17.240 British patriots.
00:17:19.020 This is him actively participating in sort of a restoration of Britain in and of itself.
00:17:25.380 And again, you know, we're talking about a lot of these, you know, these staffers
00:17:30.520 in the admin that are, you know, have an eye on global politics, these sorts of things.
00:17:36.200 But also, it kind of something has to be said about Trump himself.
00:17:39.560 I mean, he's clearly a bit of an Anglophile, as evident by his sort of relationship with
00:17:45.500 the royal family, how much he discusses it.
00:17:47.540 Obviously, his mother was a Scottish immigrant.
00:17:50.020 But beyond that, he seems to take an interest in our allies' affairs from time to time.
00:17:58.220 I mean, obviously, he had a friendship with Shinzo Abe that everyone loves to sort of meme
00:18:02.740 on.
00:18:03.600 And it was very real.
00:18:04.660 He actually did seem to be quite upset by the loss of Shinzo Abe.
00:18:08.760 And yeah, it seems like, I don't know, this seems like this is a Trump and Starmer's relationship.
00:18:15.300 It seems to be a bit personal for Trump in many ways that it's not with the...
00:18:19.440 Usually, he's just, like with Macron or with, well, you name it, really, any of our fellow
00:18:25.920 NATO allies, he kind of looks down on them, he treats them, he kind of throws them around.
00:18:29.680 Keir Starmer, he, like, seems to be shaking, like, dude, wake up.
00:18:32.760 Like, everyone in your country has Star Wars names.
00:18:36.500 Like, wake up, wake up.
00:18:38.280 And that seems to be a departure from, like, how he typically interacts with our allies.
00:18:41.340 I don't know if you've kind of gotten that same vibe, but it does seem like Trump is
00:18:43.920 a keen interest, specifically in the UK.
00:18:46.140 Obviously, he's putting America first, et cetera, et cetera.
00:18:47.940 But I think he kind of, you know, to use the term we use all the time, like a rising tide
00:18:53.240 lifts all boats.
00:18:53.920 I think he kind of feels that way about particularly Europe.
00:18:57.360 He feels like a rising America could rise Europe.
00:19:00.660 And we don't need to, like, patronize Europe.
00:19:02.440 We just need to, like, focus on our affairs and take the boot off of the neck of patriots
00:19:06.280 over there, in this case, intervene.
00:19:07.880 Yeah, it's easier to have a Monroe doctrine when you don't have a Europe that has hooked
00:19:15.380 itself up to the military-industrial complex of the global American empire in order to
00:19:20.280 expand its welfare state and give it out to migrant sex criminals.
00:19:23.840 I think that's a pretty sensible calculation to make.
00:19:26.000 Trump obviously has a long-standing emotional connection to the British Isles, given his mother
00:19:30.720 was Scottish, and so he set up Turnberry, the golf course that he held court at earlier
00:19:35.440 this year, and mocked Starmer the entire time.
00:19:38.320 Like, the Brits, I think, quite justifiably, since you displaced our much better, frankly,
00:19:44.160 empire in the 40s after, you know, hooking us up to the Marshall Plan and dilapidating
00:19:50.860 our economy after the Second World War.
00:19:52.140 I think the Brits are a little bit sore about being displaced as the global power by the
00:19:56.360 Americans, and so, if you watch, you know the film Love Actually, right?
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00:20:50.240 Right.
00:20:50.840 There's a scene in it where a president, obviously who's meant to be a combination between Bill
00:20:56.580 Clinton and George Bush, makes a move on an intern, and the Prime Minister, who's obviously
00:21:01.400 meant to be Tony Blair, stands up for Britain and says how proud he is to be the nation of
00:21:06.960 Paddington Bear and Harry Potter and David Beckham.
00:21:10.820 And he gets an applause by saying that, you know, we're not America's lapdog, basically.
00:21:16.620 I'm now the inverse.
00:21:17.680 I'm very keen on Donald Trump to basically make Keir Starmer look like a total invalid,
00:21:22.800 an NPC, someone who has no charisma, no legitimacy, and just to mog him relentlessly.
00:21:28.120 And then the other thing to say about this as well, as you mentioned, I think it's J.D.
00:21:31.960 Vance's animosity towards Keir Starmer more than anything that's driving it.
00:21:35.460 Because Vance, we have mutuals who are followed by Vance, he follows things very keenly in
00:21:42.500 Britain, and don't underestimate the extent to which those mutuals and the staffers who
00:21:48.640 are working under Rubio, under Vance, are our guys, and they are there because of Rubio
00:21:55.160 and Vance.
00:21:55.840 So there's two things to focus on here.
00:21:58.040 Vance's mentor is a good friend of mine called James Orr.
00:22:00.620 James Orr met with Vance when he was over in the UK.
00:22:04.140 He sort of introduced him to a bunch of prospective politicians who are slightly better than the
00:22:09.280 ones that we've got now, including the lame duck conservative leader, Kemi Badenok, who
00:22:15.060 is, I mean, if she continues to stay as leader, they're going to be selling off the furniture
00:22:19.220 in their club as firewood at some point.
00:22:21.180 So she's on her way out.
00:22:22.740 James is very sound, Catholic, super socially conservative, and constantly affords opportunities
00:22:30.080 for young people in politics, something literally nobody else does.
00:22:34.380 So he's in charge of cultivating young talent, great guy.
00:22:37.020 And then over in the States, there are a bunch of young, very online Catholics who have gone
00:22:42.800 into the administration.
00:22:44.300 And the reason they're focusing on human rights doctrine as a, rather than being this sort
00:22:50.220 of post-war straitjacket that distrusts majority populations and protects minorities, because
00:22:56.740 if you act in your distinct people's interest, you're literally Hitler or something, they
00:23:00.520 realized that the human rights came out of canon law in the 13th century when the early,
00:23:06.120 well, mid to early church fathers were debating what the church's doctrine on certain social
00:23:12.240 issues were.
00:23:13.020 And so that is the original purpose of it.
00:23:15.000 It's inextricable from Imago Dei.
00:23:16.960 And when you decouple human rights from Christianity, you just get liberalism, gay race, communism,
00:23:21.480 internationalism, and the failed doctrines of regime change.
00:23:23.580 So they're going back to roots, they're re-instantiating as a matter of policy Christianity in their
00:23:29.180 international human rights doctrine.
00:23:31.240 And that's why as well, something that's mentioned in the full brief that they've given
00:23:35.040 to their ambassadors to monitor in our respective countries at US embassies, not just a telling
00:23:40.720 off of European leaders, including Keir Starmer, for facilitating migrant crime, but they've
00:23:45.980 told these ambassadors to monitor state-funded abortion, euthanasia, transgender surgeries,
00:23:50.940 and censorship of free speech, and anti-white DEI policies.
00:23:54.900 So all of these are discrimination against the innocent human person, they are defiling
00:23:58.420 God's creation, and all of these are pertinent issues in Britain because we've got a Canada-style
00:24:03.800 maid bill being rushed through on Keir Starmer's promise.
00:24:07.600 We've got abortion that's just been decriminalized up to birth by a private member's bill that barely
00:24:11.860 anyone knew was going on.
00:24:13.040 Totally revolutionary.
00:24:13.860 And we've got active anti-white discrimination laws in the corporate sector, in the government,
00:24:20.540 and this has led to the two-tier justice system.
00:24:22.560 So all of these things being monitored and pressure being placed on our government by the
00:24:26.480 State Department from an explicitly Christian perspective is encouraging and is exactly what
00:24:31.560 patriots need over here.
00:24:33.040 Yeah, well, like, that example he gave of Love, actually, where, yeah, you know, the British
00:24:38.820 figurehead, like, white knights, and that kind of defines specifically the Anglosphere,
00:24:45.480 particularly Britain and Canada, the way they've sort of conducted themselves, how they frame
00:24:50.020 themselves compared to the U.S. is they always want to be the anti-U.S. in many ways.
00:24:54.660 They want to sort of posture that they're different, they know better, they're more enlightened,
00:24:58.520 that the Americans are kitschy and retarded or whatever, where now they can't get away
00:25:03.700 with, like, that's easy to do when it's like a, you know, unambitious Republican government,
00:25:08.980 but you can't really do that when the State Department is, like, breathing down your neck.
00:25:12.700 I mean, that is really impossible to do.
00:25:14.420 You also made a great point, yeah, with the human rights, sort of the reorientation of it,
00:25:17.600 because I made this point, like, two months ago, I had an aide on the Captive Dreamer on
00:25:22.720 Tim's Noon Live, and we were kind of making this point of, like, look, when you're,
00:25:28.180 when you're, when you're sort of criticizing Israel, when you're critiquing Israel, there's
00:25:32.640 plenty of meat on the bone there, the, but when you're at, when you're sort of, when you're
00:25:37.700 critiquing Israel, you shouldn't do it in a way that doesn't actually threaten, like,
00:25:41.140 the liberal world, world order in any way, and I made the point that appealing to international
00:25:45.960 law, that doesn't threaten the liberal world order in any way, in many ways it reinforces
00:25:49.860 it, and I included human rights as a part of that description of the, like, oh, well,
00:25:54.760 you know, they're doing this, that, and the other, it's a human rights violation, and it's
00:25:57.860 like, yeah, because when you criticize something in that way, it's not really threatening to
00:26:01.440 the liberal world order, because they're the ones that have upheld this post-war definition
00:26:05.420 of human rights, which, like you pointed out, have been completely severed from the classical
00:26:10.300 Christian understanding of the Imago Dei.
00:26:13.160 Again, this, or, you know, this stems from the Bible itself into the Middle Ages, where it
00:26:18.560 was really intellectualized.
00:26:19.700 With that, when you see actions like this from the State Department, where they give precise
00:26:25.800 examples of what an actual human rights violation looks like, that's how you recapture something
00:26:32.620 like that that has been captured, because, again, something like human rights as an institution
00:26:36.560 added to the list of things that have been completely capitulated over the last, really
00:26:40.620 since the post-war order, I mean, the amount of institutions that have been completely captured
00:26:44.620 by the left, and they wear it sort of as a skin suit, when human rights enforcement properly
00:26:50.820 deployed looks like this, and, I mean, look, here's an article from The Telegraph right
00:26:54.580 here.
00:26:55.360 Trump could offer refugee status to Europeans who oppose migration, the subline, U.S.
00:27:00.700 President advised to prioritize those who have been, quote, targeted for peaceful expression
00:27:05.000 of views online.
00:27:06.300 Yeah, obviously, there's a political angle to this, but, like, functionally at its core,
00:27:11.060 what we can look at this is, like, yeah, you have these human rights, these rights that
00:27:15.740 our founders found fit to frame in the Constitution, among which was freedom of speech, freedom of
00:27:21.280 expression, freedom to protest, etc., and these are things that we see threatened in Europe,
00:27:26.240 and we say, okay, we're not going to apply the Constitution to the world, but we are going
00:27:30.500 to apply the Constitution for who we sort of perceive to be oppressed.
00:27:35.420 Like, it's a complete separation from previous administrations where oppression purely boiled
00:27:40.640 down to, uh, are you not a white male?
00:27:43.820 That's what defined oppression.
00:27:45.740 Um, that's why you saw these asylum cases, like, the number one reason people would cite
00:27:50.360 when applying for asylum was something along the lines of, my country's economy sucks.
00:27:55.240 It's like, okay, let's, not a human right, the fact that your country's, like, broke and
00:27:58.760 you're poor and, like, your whole country sucks, not a reason to apply for asylum.
00:28:02.320 If anything, it's a reason to turn you away, because if you're anything like your country,
00:28:05.600 man, you're going to tank our country, versus, like, actual, an actual definition of a human
00:28:11.600 rights violation would be, like, yeah, I've been completely muzzled, and, like, my avenue
00:28:16.360 to power has been cut, and my entire sphere's avenue has been cut off, uh, sphere, avenues
00:28:21.360 of power has been completely cut off, and this evil, uh, evil sort of, and the nicest definition,
00:28:27.780 atheistic, um, cabal has sort of consumed all power within my country, and I'm completely
00:28:34.180 removed from power, and so it's, it adds a very Christian sort of route to this reorientation.
00:28:39.880 Um, of course, the media is chastising this when the, when the, when the Trump administration
00:28:44.520 put out their sort of three, uh, groups that they're prioritizing for refugee status was
00:28:49.460 European dissidents, in this case, just patriots, like, normal people that have a healthy view
00:28:55.120 of their country and nation.
00:28:56.680 Um, the second was, uh, and then the second was what caused a lot of stir was the Afrikaners,
00:29:01.420 obviously, coming from South Africa, and so, yeah, we're seeing this massive reorientation,
00:29:07.700 and again, this is not controversial stuff, this certainly wouldn't have been controversial
00:29:11.040 to anybody pre-World War II, there's no question about that, um, but there's something to be
00:29:17.540 said, I don't know, gauging from what I'm reading coming out of the UK, is they, it feels
00:29:23.500 like their outrage from the left and from this sort of liberal establishment in the UK isn't
00:29:28.140 so much rage and, like, we should do something about this, it's kind of, like, black, they're
00:29:32.120 almost black-pilled in some ways, they kind of feel like they're on the back foot, they
00:29:34.220 didn't expect the US and Trump to take such an active role, and it seems like all they're
00:29:38.820 resorting to is ad hominem attacks, but they really kind of feel helpless as far as, like,
00:29:43.860 they can't just dictate terms to the US through, like, guilt-tripping anymore, like they used
00:29:48.220 to be able to.
00:29:49.460 Yeah, the liberal cognitive dissonance about this is always the accusation of undue American
00:29:54.500 interference in Britain's free and fair elections and politics, they say that Elon Musk is a
00:29:59.300 foreign billionaire and so he can't meddle, pay no attention to George Soros funding our
00:30:03.220 entire NGO activist network that's settled in the UK, and they do the same with the Russians,
00:30:08.220 so we, because we're in Europe and it's a bit more proximate, even though we're separated
00:30:13.280 by an ocean between us and the French, they always go, oh, Putin's going to invade Britain
00:30:18.660 tomorrow, therefore, you know, arm Ukraine endlessly, let's float the idea of conscription so
00:30:23.100 you can go and die in a ditch in Kiev, but it's funny, because we're being actively invaded
00:30:28.080 by men from the Horn of Africa via Calais and dinghies, and that's, foreign interference
00:30:34.100 doesn't matter as soon as they set foot on our shores and are given the prerequisite paperwork
00:30:37.560 and house an hotel at my expense, I suppose.
00:30:40.200 So, foreign interference is totally fine when it's from international left-wing NGOs who facilitate
00:30:44.700 the passage of foreign criminals to break into our country and then establish diasporas
00:30:49.220 that then lobby for their particular ethno-nepotistic and religious grievances, but when it's Putin
00:30:55.000 or Trump, you know, it's the end of the world, they're basically the eye of Sauron sitting
00:30:59.240 off in the distance, and we have to form an alliance to go and knock on the Black Gates,
00:31:02.360 I suppose.
00:31:03.340 I, I, it's frustrating.
00:31:05.480 The other remark I'll make is, you're correct about framing things in terms of a critique
00:31:10.480 to the right, so this is why the, the Israel critiques that say Netanyahu has a warrant
00:31:17.260 out for him from the International Court of Justice and we should respect that, it's
00:31:20.400 like, actually, the International Court of Justice is basically run by South Africa, who
00:31:23.500 are genociding whites and singing Kill the Boa, Kill the Farmer.
00:31:26.120 I think it's actually way more compelling to say Netanyahu probably isn't on our side because
00:31:30.180 he's joking about America itself being Rome, and he's saying that, like, we have a long
00:31:35.180 memory and look at the fall of Rome, like he's in a Soprano scene.
00:31:37.580 Like, I think that's probably a bit more worthy of critique than appealing to, like, the United
00:31:42.560 Nations and all of these other third-worldist captured organizations that hate white people
00:31:46.620 just as much as they hate Israel.
00:31:48.100 They think Israel codes white, which is the only reason they're attacking it, basically.
00:31:51.580 If it didn't exist, they'd still be complaining about Europe and saying that we plundered their
00:31:56.280 soil and somehow dug the railroads out of the dirt and depraved them of all this wealth
00:32:00.060 from which they would be Wakanda if it weren't for us.
00:32:02.460 So, yeah, I think always critique from the right, and this is why the framing,
00:32:07.580 the reframing that the State Department has done is encouraging.
00:32:10.680 And even though I am a big Monroe Doctrine enjoyer in better times, we work with what
00:32:17.420 we've got, and I'm glad that our friends in the State Department, our considerate cousins
00:32:22.200 from over the other side of the Atlantic, care about what's happening in my country and
00:32:26.700 are willing to use their international pressure to speak on behalf of the patriots who are under
00:32:32.880 siege here.
00:32:33.260 So, yeah, very good.
00:32:35.280 Yeah, it's what an alliance is actually supposed to conduct of versus just sort of dragging
00:32:41.280 each other.
00:32:42.100 Well, primarily the U.S.
00:32:43.340 dragging the U.K. into our grand ideas in the Middle East.
00:32:47.380 Yeah, it's refreshing to see sort of a relationship that actually benefits the U.K.
00:32:52.580 here in this instance.
00:32:53.780 So, all right.
00:32:54.840 Well, with that, it's a little on topic.
00:32:56.740 Like, look, ever since this Tucker-Fuentes debacle, right, this story hasn't gone away.
00:33:03.540 And I don't think it's, Groeper is really pushing this, or even really people on the,
00:33:08.560 like, more extremities of the right pushing this story.
00:33:11.380 It seems to be this, I guess you would call them setter, right?
00:33:15.180 There's not really a great, they're neocons, effectively.
00:33:18.220 It's this contingent that seems to be going on and on and on and on about this Tucker-Nick
00:33:22.760 interview.
00:33:24.280 And I think we're unlocking.
00:33:27.660 I think it's kind of becoming clear.
00:33:28.720 I made this point in the previous show that there's a ploy right now to sort of rehash what
00:33:34.960 they did in 2016, where they paint everyone to the right of Bobby Jindal as alt-right.
00:33:40.180 They're trying the same playbook again.
00:33:43.000 Anyone to the right of Ted Cruz is a Groeper.
00:33:45.320 That is the attempt that's happening here.
00:33:48.540 And this is why this story is staying around.
00:33:51.300 They need this story.
00:33:52.180 The neocons that are trying to wrestle control of the GOP away from MAGA, they need a play
00:33:58.600 like this.
00:33:59.840 I mean, we're seeing the headlines.
00:34:01.540 Ted Cruz is eyeing up a 2028 run.
00:34:04.640 The cogs are already turning.
00:34:06.260 The Bushes, there's an article.
00:34:07.400 The Bushes are looking to jump back into Republican politics.
00:34:11.000 So the play is on.
00:34:12.380 I think Max Abrams gave away the game here.
00:34:14.240 I'm going to read a tweet.
00:34:15.400 This is from Max Abrams.
00:34:17.120 I am not a fan of carefully parsing the definition of Groeper.
00:34:21.400 I see more analytical value from being a lumper than a splitter when it comes to the Groeper
00:34:25.380 category.
00:34:26.520 Take someone like Tucker.
00:34:27.560 Is he a Groeper?
00:34:28.380 I'd say yeah.
00:34:29.740 He spends all his time making up super dumb conspiracy theories about Jews and Israel
00:34:33.360 and wines and dines and boosts and hugs the Groeper founder.
00:34:37.360 Is the president of Heritage Groeper?
00:34:39.460 I'd say yeah.
00:34:41.720 He attacked American Jews as, quote, venomous for voicing concerns that his pal Tucker is
00:34:46.700 on a mission to mainstream Nazism in America and refuse to condemn that.
00:34:51.760 I don't think all Groepers by definition must be incels living in mom's basement.
00:34:56.560 Okay.
00:34:59.220 Max Abrams is why I don't believe in Jewish conspiracies because if they were competent
00:35:03.600 in Malcolm Walker straight or world politics, they would shut this guy up very quickly.
00:35:08.700 Yeah.
00:35:09.340 Yeah.
00:35:09.800 Like, okay.
00:35:10.900 So you don't view it from its precise definition, which is like, you know, fans of Nick Fuentes
00:35:14.960 followers.
00:35:15.860 It's he's like he admits he's like, I view it as a broad category that I'm going to use
00:35:20.820 to attack anyone I don't like.
00:35:22.220 That is my friend enemy.
00:35:23.440 It's just, it's like literally these invention of look, right.
00:35:26.700 It's just friend enemy.
00:35:28.020 And the thing is, and we're all scoffing at this.
00:35:30.280 We're all laughing at this.
00:35:31.380 I mean, and Max Abrams is, I mean, he's a big, big player, but he's not, he's not, you
00:35:35.260 can't throw his weight around per se, but this is like the guy giving the game away, but
00:35:41.140 this game is already in motion.
00:35:43.020 You are seeing this from a lot of figures in the GOP.
00:35:46.060 A lot of those people don't post.
00:35:47.920 That's the difference.
00:35:48.560 There's a lot of, you know, people get really frustrated with inaction from the Trump administration.
00:35:53.400 And I often point to senior officials, the consulting groups, these sorts of people,
00:36:01.280 these sorts of institutions that are at play that slow things down, that gum up the system
00:36:06.140 a bit.
00:36:06.820 People say, how, like, how is that possible?
00:36:09.080 Because a lot of those people don't post.
00:36:10.840 A lot of people are older.
00:36:12.440 They've been around for a while.
00:36:13.880 They're apparatchiks.
00:36:15.060 They don't, they're not on Twitter.
00:36:16.120 They're not like engaging in the fight.
00:36:17.900 You just see a few of them, like your James Lindsay types, but there's a lot more of those
00:36:21.500 people than you would think.
00:36:22.740 They're just all on the beltway.
00:36:23.980 They're not on Twitter.
00:36:25.360 But I think Max Abrams specifically, because he's so on the nose, that's why it makes this
00:36:29.140 particularly useful.
00:36:30.520 This is the play in action.
00:36:32.980 Is Tucker a Gruper?
00:36:34.420 Like, I don't even think most people that, I don't even think most, uh, like Jewish people
00:36:39.960 would even agree with that assessment.
00:36:42.620 I really want to stop working.
00:36:43.600 Is it an opposite Gruper?
00:36:44.700 Like, what are we doing here?
00:36:46.260 I want to set up an Anon, start like a series of Anon accounts.
00:36:48.920 It's like, Tucker Carlson fly fishing and being encountered by a random reporter Gruper.
00:36:55.500 Ted Cruz getting caught accidentally watching pornography while running for president Gruper.
00:36:59.640 Like, dude, oh my gosh.
00:37:04.120 Ted, I forgot about that, that he was just like, that's kind of a baller move.
00:37:08.540 That's kind of an alpha move.
00:37:09.560 It's just like, I like it.
00:37:11.020 So I'm going to throw a like on it.
00:37:12.340 He's like, I'm using the like feature for what it's supposed to be used for.
00:37:17.180 I like it.
00:37:17.660 I like it.
00:37:18.400 Here we go.
00:37:19.600 No, I think it's a brilliant idea, but this is really sinister, sinister stuff.
00:37:24.040 And they've given away the playbook.
00:37:26.700 Anyone that doesn't go along with the sort of neocon recapture consensus of the GOP is a Gruper.
00:37:34.760 However, they give it away.
00:37:36.600 I want to read some commentary here that Carl Hollywood at Woke Capital provided.
00:37:41.100 He shared this picture or the screenshot rather of Vivek Ramaswamy reacting to a clip of Fuentes saying the left has to give up immigration.
00:37:51.780 The right has to give up on the free market to be like for this populist coalition that he's referring to.
00:37:55.760 I don't know if I really agree with that sort of uniparty populist coalition sort of manifesting, but Carl Hollywood, he provides this commentator because Vivek Ramaswamy quoted that Fuentes video and said a nationalist, a national socialist American workers party built around a shared ethnic identity.
00:38:14.780 What could possibly go wrong?
00:38:16.060 So here's what Carl Hollywood said one more time.
00:38:20.980 They're giving away the op, the grift, right, neocons, center, left Jews temporarily spooked by October 7th are amplifying Nick and boosting his platform in order to tar any criticism of ethno-narcissist bad actors or immigration as Nazism.
00:38:33.800 They are making him our face as to cut us out and reassert control over the GOP.
00:38:38.440 They're framing a false dichotomy between the center, left uniparty, slow communism business as usual.
00:38:42.440 And he cites Barry Weiss, Vivek Ramaswamy, and a dissident Christian national socialist fascism, a name only leftism with fascist skin, kind of a dirt left.
00:38:52.020 So this is like literally what it is.
00:38:55.060 This playbook has worked for them before.
00:38:56.900 Obviously, this is what hamstringed the first Trump administration was a lot of really good guys were removed from consideration for positions quite early on.
00:39:05.620 And they used the alt-right framing as a way to sort of parse out people that would have been entering the admin or that would have been in advisor roles, these sorts of things.
00:39:15.780 It was used as a friend-enemy distinction.
00:39:19.400 And yeah, I think Carl Hollywood points it out well here.
00:39:22.180 They are trying to make Nick the face, again, of anyone to the right of Ted Cruz as a way to cut out and reassert control over the GOP.
00:39:30.200 I think this needs to be amplified more because, look, there's a lot of people that have a lot of problems with Nick Fuentes that are on the right.
00:39:39.840 They're firmly on the right.
00:39:40.640 And I would even make the argument that they would have more authentically right-wing thought than Fuentes in many ways.
00:39:47.500 And they were very upset with Tucker's interview.
00:39:50.020 They were very upset.
00:39:51.920 But with that, I think you have to take a step back, look at the bigger picture, and realize what's going on here.
00:39:56.640 There's an op at play.
00:39:57.800 You don't have to go and defend every single thing Fuentes said to acknowledge what's going on here, acknowledge that there is an op at play.
00:40:06.880 There's a dragnet that's being laid across the right right now to ostracize you from power.
00:40:12.360 So you have to completely reject the framing.
00:40:13.800 I think that's why Kevin Roberts' statement initially was so particularly useful because he was sort of making that distinction in a fairly explicit way.
00:40:25.240 And it was completely eviscerated, obviously.
00:40:27.960 People got fired.
00:40:29.360 And now we're just seeing this Civil War breakout.
00:40:31.400 We're seeing this Civil War.
00:40:33.980 You know, they're trying to turn this.
00:40:36.900 They're trying to turn this into a broad category.
00:40:38.260 They're trying to turn this into alt-right 2.0.
00:40:42.560 And I think it's disgusting.
00:40:43.940 And I think, again, the reason this is occurring is because they do not want J.D. Vance to be the presidential nominee in 2028.
00:40:49.680 They see this as their chance to finally turn MAGA into a temporary thing.
00:40:54.900 It was just this, you know, moment that the GOP needed.
00:40:57.320 They're going to come up with a way to, like, retcon it.
00:40:59.400 You know, it was this moment the GOP needed to oust, you know, Obama or something like that.
00:41:04.100 And now we can return to sensible, professional conservatism.
00:41:08.420 You know, the way it was supposed to be.
00:41:10.780 Vance would obviously be that continuation.
00:41:12.520 Trump, in many ways, seems to have anointed him as the successor of MAGA in many ways.
00:41:17.580 And so they're trying to set this up to poison the well for J.D. Vance, I would presume, for many reasons.
00:41:23.700 One being which J.D. Vance actually is a departure from a lot of these GOP apparatchiks.
00:41:28.560 For one, he's not obsessed with Israel.
00:41:31.060 B, he is firmly aware of the threat that mass migration, you know, poses to the United States.
00:41:37.480 That State Department statement echoed a lot of things that J.D. Vance has been saying.
00:41:41.780 I mean, famously, he said at NatCon, it was about a year ago, he said,
00:41:44.580 America is actually not an idea that's a distinct people in a place with a shared history, heritage, et cetera, et cetera.
00:41:51.360 That's very valuable.
00:41:52.580 And that's a huge departure from pretty much what anyone else in the GOP that's name has been considered for 2028 offers.
00:41:58.600 So it's fantastic stuff.
00:42:00.160 Connor, I don't know what's your outsider perspective kind of looking in.
00:42:02.900 Do you see this as like a play, a ploy?
00:42:04.940 Or do you think there's maybe something else going on here?
00:42:06.260 Well, first of all, I must note that if Vivek Ramaswamy objects to a national socialist workers' party built around a shared ethnic identity,
00:42:14.820 he should probably go and speak to Prime Minister Modi in India and tell him to knock it off with the Hindu nationalism.
00:42:19.980 But of course, that's not going to happen because Vivek is a blood and soil nationalist for somewhere, just not America.
00:42:26.740 In America, you know, he can dress up as a cowboy and consider himself one of the founding fathers, along with Martin Luther King,
00:42:32.800 who, much like Vivek, plagiarized a hell of a lot.
00:42:36.220 As far as Nick's attempt to build a working class, like disaffected left and right coalition,
00:42:44.980 I mean, he's mentioned this before with the ability to work with Muslims in a recent stream.
00:42:50.000 He even said that he would be willing to work with Zoran Mandani.
00:42:52.580 And the problem he's got with that is I understand the impulse to want to make concessions on populist economics with the left
00:43:01.860 in order to get sort of like border control and a breakaway from foreign interventionism and Israeli influence over your politics done.
00:43:10.540 Like that's a completely valid ambition.
00:43:13.420 But the problem he's got is I think he underestimates the extent to which anti-whiteness and mass migration,
00:43:20.740 like full-on third world replacement, we're going to steal your stuff, we're basically brown bane,
00:43:26.760 is endemic as a pillar to the left party platform.
00:43:30.460 Like not just the Democrat party, but the broader left.
00:43:32.920 Because they genuinely believe in the blank slate.
00:43:35.140 This is why they're still wedded up to gender ideology.
00:43:37.700 It's why they still see minorities as essentially poor, hapless infants who need all of your possessions
00:43:44.280 and who are just the victims of history.
00:43:46.600 And so getting them to part with that, to build a broad enough coalition that is larger than MAGA winning the popular vote
00:43:53.920 and all of the branches of government, unlikely.
00:43:58.460 And also in regard to building one's own coalition, as you've mentioned,
00:44:02.760 like Nick's fallen out with people on our side.
00:44:04.940 Look, I don't know Nick.
00:44:05.880 I don't think I've ever had any interactions with him.
00:44:07.840 Other than when I went to the inauguration party and he responded to a photo of me and Ayaan Hirsi Ali
00:44:13.960 and then a bunch of the grippers photoshopped me as Jewish, which was absolutely hilarious.
00:44:18.060 Like I've never had a larger nose put onto me in my life.
00:44:21.480 But he may need to rebuild some burned bridges with some people in MAGA in order to do that.
00:44:29.700 Some of the people that we've spoken to before.
00:44:31.440 And I think that would actually be a very positive thing for the right more broadly.
00:44:34.440 Because he mentioned in the aftermath of Charlie's murder, he pulled up Matt Walsh saying,
00:44:40.780 look, I'm going to put petty squabbles aside with anyone on my right that I disagree with to my right
00:44:46.540 so that we can crack down on Antifa because we're getting killed out here
00:44:49.400 and that's more important than debates over foreign policy or whatever.
00:44:53.100 And Nick actually agreed.
00:44:54.460 And I think that would actually be a very constructive thing to do to try and break bread
00:44:58.560 and have a bit more civil dialogue, no matter what you think about what Nick said about this group or that group.
00:45:03.420 As far as this being an op, obviously.
00:45:06.020 Like Woke Right was an op.
00:45:07.860 It was abandoned because James Lindsay couldn't constrain his schizophrenia long enough
00:45:12.320 to not accuse people of summoning the demon Ahriman in some ritual by saying St. Michael's Prayer.
00:45:17.500 Like he was chewing the padding on the walls of his cell, has been for a very long time.
00:45:21.660 And then he just admitted that it was just a strategy to ostracize people
00:45:24.720 in the same way that Dinesh did with Sam Francis and Bill Buckley did from National Review.
00:45:30.840 It's a tale as old as time.
00:45:31.760 This time now, when they're trying to use Griper to attack J.D. Vance by proxy,
00:45:36.620 the problem they've got is that Nick hasn't supported J.D. Vance.
00:45:40.040 Like he's been very, I think, unduly disparaging about Usher, who seems to be a nice woman
00:45:45.480 and doesn't seem to have dragged Vance leftward at any point.
00:45:49.680 He didn't vote for Trump.
00:45:51.420 He was partially jokingly, I think, but amplifying Kamala's brat op.
00:45:57.040 He then suggested Gavin Newsom might provide enough of a threat from the Democrat Party
00:46:01.500 to whip the Republicans into shape over the issue of Israel.
00:46:04.520 And then he promoted Kanye's presidential bid, which I don't know how his UN speech will go down
00:46:11.960 if he wears a balaclava and starts citing speeches from the 1930s again.
00:46:15.860 So, I don't think the op is actually going to work in Smearing Vance,
00:46:20.040 but it is actually a sign for encouragement, I think, that the likes of Ted Cruz
00:46:24.200 and the faction that involves neoconservatives ideologically like Lindsey Graham,
00:46:31.100 the kind of Christian Zionist dispensationalists like Mike Huckabee,
00:46:36.380 and the just Jewish identitarians who want the ability to play identity politics
00:46:41.240 but then deny identity politics for heritage Americans or white Englishmen
00:46:44.880 and think that that contradiction will last without any backlash, which is absolutely delusional.
00:46:49.280 It's encouraging that they feel so desperate that this is the op,
00:46:53.080 that they have broadened the target to the extent of where they're not just going after Nick
00:46:57.640 for some of the insulting things he said about Jews in Israel.
00:47:00.200 They're now going after Tucker Carlson, who has one of the biggest podcasts in America,
00:47:04.320 and after J.D. Vance, who is the heir apparent to MAGA, which Trump has already coronated,
00:47:09.340 who is by far and away the most competent and well-liked candidate in the GOP,
00:47:14.600 and their alternative is Ted Cruz?
00:47:17.460 Like, for all that money given to Israel for its military memorandum,
00:47:21.640 you'd think that they would have better weaponry than the Cruz missile again.
00:47:25.360 Perfect.
00:47:26.200 Yeah, I know, it's kind of a hit against this sort of speculation that Jews are like this unstoppable,
00:47:31.880 all-encompassing force because they can't seem to, like, draft a decent candidate if their life depended on it.
00:47:37.640 Yeah, beyond that, I mean, like, something you hit on is this, it's a fool's errand,
00:47:42.140 and neocons will do this as well.
00:47:44.080 So this isn't isolated to sort of this, I don't know what you would call it,
00:47:46.880 like this kind of populist right-wing insurgent that Fuentes certainly belongs to,
00:47:51.020 but they have this tendency, obviously, they want to see,
00:47:53.820 they have their priority as, like, bucking Israeli influence
00:47:56.920 and sort of reorienting the economic order to be sort of more serving to the population,
00:48:02.020 and they look at people like Zoran as a potential ally,
00:48:05.540 and obviously that's going to fall apart every single time because,
00:48:09.080 okay, you can handle their issues and you can help get Zoran's issues across the finish line,
00:48:12.940 but when it comes to reciprocation, where now you expect these Zoran,
00:48:18.560 really just this third-world coalition to go to bat for you on immigration,
00:48:22.880 it's not going to happen in a million years.
00:48:26.580 So that's what kind of worries me about that coalition,
00:48:29.500 their insistence on, you know, breaking bread with, you know, Islamists and these sorts of things,
00:48:36.560 is because they're never going to reciprocate,
00:48:39.500 and if anything, you're just going to help them get into power.
00:48:41.780 You're going to help push them across the finish line,
00:48:44.580 and that'll destroy us even quicker than the current Neocon sort of consensus
00:48:49.740 or the previous Neocon consensus that's sort of sorting to trying to wrangle power back.
00:48:55.640 We've seen these people multiple times try to, like, ally with a preeminent Muslim activist,
00:49:02.080 and then the inevitable falling out occurs as soon as you, like, suggest any sort of immigration restriction.
00:49:08.420 It's a total disaster, and Neocons do this too, for the record.
00:49:10.960 This is actually the bigger problem, is not necessarily breaking bread with Muslims,
00:49:16.840 but they always appeal to the left, hoping that, like, maybe if I make this one extra consensus,
00:49:22.540 then the editorial board of the New York Times won't call me a Nazi anymore.
00:49:26.160 It's like the David French style of thinking, where it's like,
00:49:29.100 how can I still consider myself a conservative,
00:49:31.580 but how many concessions do I need to make before these people finally like me,
00:49:34.360 and they view me as a really smart intellectual instead of this, like, kitschy conservative from middle America?
00:49:39.300 That insecurity from Neocons has driven most of the destruction in this country, actually, I would say,
00:49:45.420 certainly in the last 30 to 40 years.
00:49:48.640 I mean, the entire Bush administration was characterized,
00:49:51.980 really the entire post-Bush, post-Reagan GOP has been sort of epitomized by the insecurity,
00:50:00.720 driven by the insecurity of the fact that leftist intellectuals don't like them very much,
00:50:05.280 and they view them as stupid.
00:50:06.460 And that's really hurtful, because I want to write my New York Times column
00:50:10.460 and be perceived as on the in-group.
00:50:12.540 I want to be seen as smart and cool.
00:50:13.800 And it's like, the reality is, look,
00:50:16.400 these people view themselves as part of this international coalition
00:50:20.340 that's stretching across boards.
00:50:22.280 We're so enlightened.
00:50:22.960 We're so smart.
00:50:23.520 We've evolved past nationalism.
00:50:25.760 And if you're on the right, no matter how right-wing or centrist you are,
00:50:29.660 to a certain degree, you have sort of fallen into that category
00:50:33.020 because you believe that there is something particularly special about your country.
00:50:36.580 And if you're an internationalist, that just does not mesh with that at all.
00:50:40.500 So again, I was hitting on the fun system,
00:50:42.540 but I think that's actually kind of driving to the bigger thing
00:50:45.420 is giving quarter to the left, appealing, insecurity, etc.
00:50:48.320 Trying to find an ally that is outside of your group is always going to burn you
00:50:52.180 because ultimately when it comes to immigration,
00:50:54.540 that's fundamentally the biggest issue facing our country.
00:50:58.320 I mean, even the State Department has hit on this.
00:51:00.420 And you're not going to find any allies outside of the right,
00:51:03.640 like the actual right-wing, when it comes to immigration restriction.
00:51:07.260 You're not going to find them in populist, third-worldists.
00:51:11.120 You're not going to find it in an international liberal elite.
00:51:14.560 You're not going to find it anywhere.
00:51:15.900 You're not going to find these allies anywhere.
00:51:18.680 All you can do is consolidate as much power as you possibly can on the right.
00:51:22.420 And that's why Trump is so valuable.
00:51:24.000 This is why this rift has occurred,
00:51:25.680 why people are so frustrated with sort of the populist.
00:51:29.640 And this is like, you know, your MTGs, your masses,
00:51:32.380 these people that have these goals they want to accomplish.
00:51:34.380 And maybe these goals are aligned with the right-wing broadly,
00:51:37.000 but they want to like, they're fed up with Trump.
00:51:39.280 They want to move past Trump.
00:51:41.160 And they're trying to maybe find an alliance elsewhere.
00:51:43.800 Trump is your vehicle.
00:51:45.140 Trump is the best chance you have.
00:51:48.360 And he's doing a decent job, I'd say.
00:51:50.340 I'd say the second term has been a big success so far,
00:51:53.400 and we're only a year in.
00:51:55.040 That is your only viable alternative.
00:51:56.860 So what you have to do is you have to consolidate power within the right wing.
00:51:59.840 Because like I illustrated already,
00:52:00.880 you're not going to find allies in the international left.
00:52:02.660 You're not going to find allies in the third world.
00:52:04.420 Consolidate power.
00:52:05.820 And guess what?
00:52:06.840 The president is from your coalition.
00:52:09.120 The president and his administration have emerged from the right wing.
00:52:13.640 So consolidate around that.
00:52:14.920 Let's push the football down the field.
00:52:16.440 Is it going to be perfect?
00:52:17.300 No.
00:52:18.400 If perfection is the standard, you're always going to be let down.
00:52:21.900 There's no question about that.
00:52:23.360 But yeah, it's all part of this quest to consolidate power.
00:52:27.300 No alliances, no quarter to the left,
00:52:29.320 no quarter to the third world.
00:52:30.980 Consolidate.
00:52:31.840 So.
00:52:31.960 Well, if one of our chiefest complaints about Conservative Inc,
00:52:36.680 sort of embodied in the avatar of Ben Shapiro,
00:52:40.780 is that he once tweeted,
00:52:42.560 and for the record,
00:52:43.280 I don't give a G damn about the browning of America,
00:52:45.980 and just accompanied his defense of his indefensible statement,
00:52:50.560 telling, you know,
00:52:51.780 heritage Americans to move out of their historic homelands,
00:52:54.140 their towns and cities,
00:52:54.820 because they can't afford it,
00:52:55.860 with the defense of the H-1B visa,
00:52:57.780 if that's our chief complaint,
00:53:00.100 then you know who isn't going to stop that?
00:53:02.600 It's Zora Mamdani,
00:53:03.700 who's basically an avatar of the political consequences of the browning of America.
00:53:07.140 Like, I'm sorry,
00:53:08.140 it's just not,
00:53:08.780 it's not a viable platform when their entire raison d'etre,
00:53:12.560 politically,
00:53:13.440 is to flood you full of third worlders and steal your stuff.
00:53:15.940 So, that's,
00:53:17.180 that's,
00:53:17.700 yeah,
00:53:17.940 that's not going to work.
00:53:18.780 Though I will say,
00:53:19.800 and again,
00:53:20.280 this will just get me in trouble,
00:53:21.480 but,
00:53:22.380 I mean,
00:53:23.380 hey guys,
00:53:24.260 if you need to launch the woke right,
00:53:26.060 and the gripper ops,
00:53:27.760 in order to tank your opposition,
00:53:29.380 it's because organically,
00:53:30.780 you know,
00:53:31.020 you're losing.
00:53:32.000 Um,
00:53:32.300 there is,
00:53:33.680 I think,
00:53:34.720 undue influence,
00:53:36.960 by the Israeli government,
00:53:38.440 over the current Trump administration.
00:53:40.500 Now,
00:53:40.680 I think Vance will be a lot better in this regard,
00:53:42.560 I think he'll do a lot less,
00:53:44.340 but one of the stories that you flagged to me,
00:53:46.880 that I've been peripherally following,
00:53:48.460 was Mike Huckabee meeting,
00:53:50.080 while he was in Israel,
00:53:51.380 um,
00:53:51.760 in a,
00:53:52.220 in a,
00:53:52.760 meeting that wasn't on his calendar,
00:53:54.300 as an official diplomat,
00:53:55.580 with a convicted spy,
00:53:57.620 who was leaking,
00:53:59.240 a six by six by ten,
00:54:01.780 trough,
00:54:02.760 of documents,
00:54:03.780 to the Israeli government,
00:54:05.160 and,
00:54:05.240 and then Trump,
00:54:07.720 Trump allowed him to travel internationally,
00:54:09.700 and when he landed in Israel,
00:54:11.600 you know,
00:54:12.380 Netanyahu embraced him,
00:54:13.500 and treated him as a hero,
00:54:15.000 and,
00:54:15.640 what,
00:54:16.040 are we just,
00:54:16.560 are we just meeting with people,
00:54:18.620 who can sell out the US's secrets,
00:54:20.420 to,
00:54:21.000 again,
00:54:21.960 the greatest ally now?
00:54:23.060 Like,
00:54:23.220 I don't,
00:54:23.500 I don't think that's a,
00:54:24.840 that's a reciprocal relationship,
00:54:26.020 I think that's exploitation,
00:54:27.240 and I don't think you should stand for that,
00:54:28.660 and I think Trump should,
00:54:29.820 basically look,
00:54:30.560 look Netanyahu in the eye,
00:54:31.640 and say,
00:54:32.560 if you keep screwing us over like this,
00:54:33.960 the memorandum goes away,
00:54:35.120 if you keep screwing us over like this,
00:54:36.300 actually,
00:54:36.680 we're not going to intervene,
00:54:37.620 on your behalf,
00:54:38.680 in Iran,
00:54:39.400 and bomb it with a bunker buster,
00:54:40.780 like,
00:54:41.240 it's,
00:54:41.720 it's not to our interest,
00:54:43.100 for you to feel like,
00:54:45.140 that people can exploit our secrets,
00:54:47.080 and,
00:54:47.180 and,
00:54:47.520 and conduct criminal subterfuge,
00:54:49.760 in the United States,
00:54:50.980 on your country's behalf,
00:54:52.400 and then you can expect us,
00:54:54.020 to do you favors,
00:54:54.860 that's,
00:54:55.140 that's not the case,
00:54:55.760 and I think,
00:54:56.660 ultimately,
00:54:57.300 it's right,
00:54:58.140 to point all of that out,
00:54:59.400 to criticize it,
00:55:00.120 to condemn it,
00:55:00.760 and to say,
00:55:01.280 no more of this,
00:55:02.460 but then to say that Vance is going to continue it,
00:55:04.320 I actually don't think that's going to be the case,
00:55:06.120 I think the reason Trump's doing this,
00:55:07.480 is because he has Jewish family members,
00:55:09.000 and he,
00:55:09.440 therefore,
00:55:10.400 much like the historically black colleges,
00:55:11.980 and being a boomer,
00:55:12.780 wanting to be liked by black people,
00:55:14.640 he has this,
00:55:15.400 emotional affinity,
00:55:16.500 for Israel,
00:55:17.360 and so,
00:55:17.800 is willing to give them more grace,
00:55:19.680 than Israel's politicians,
00:55:21.140 have earned,
00:55:21.920 and I don't think Vance has the same thing,
00:55:23.500 I think Vance treats Israel,
00:55:24.520 like pretty much any other country,
00:55:25.940 I think he's got a sort of like,
00:55:26.780 Nail and Haley approach to it,
00:55:27.940 where he's like,
00:55:28.660 all foreign interference is bad,
00:55:30.140 all foreign aid is bad,
00:55:31.620 yeah,
00:55:32.020 it turns out Israel takes a lot more foreign aid,
00:55:33.700 and has a lot more foreign interference,
00:55:34.800 than a lot of countries,
00:55:35.680 but we can put them in the pile of,
00:55:37.220 we're just going to get rid of all of that,
00:55:38.780 and be America first,
00:55:39.640 and I think that's sensible,
00:55:40.720 yeah,
00:55:41.460 yeah,
00:55:41.800 totally,
00:55:42.120 I mean,
00:55:43.380 like you're saying,
00:55:44.180 Trump,
00:55:44.640 Trump is a boomer,
00:55:45.660 he's a baby boomer,
00:55:46.240 so,
00:55:46.680 they're all kind of have this,
00:55:47.960 baked in Zionism,
00:55:49.760 that just,
00:55:50.360 as naturally occurred,
00:55:51.420 because they grew up,
00:55:52.260 shortly after World War II,
00:55:54.040 they grew up in the,
00:55:54.960 you know,
00:55:55.220 the dust,
00:55:55.740 the ashes settling,
00:55:56.860 from,
00:55:57.380 you know,
00:55:57.560 the Holocaust,
00:55:58.220 and these sorts of things,
00:55:59.380 and they were there,
00:56:00.060 as Israel was establishing itself,
00:56:01.600 and finding its footing,
00:56:02.320 and they were there,
00:56:02.920 as the alliance,
00:56:04.440 sort of formed,
00:56:05.400 between the United States,
00:56:06.660 and Israel,
00:56:07.880 so,
00:56:08.640 while they extend a lot of grace to Israel,
00:56:10.300 I also extend grace to boomers,
00:56:11.840 because it's really hard for them,
00:56:12.860 to shake that,
00:56:14.040 versus J.D. Vance,
00:56:15.180 obviously coming from a generation,
00:56:16.460 that,
00:56:17.120 I would say the millennials,
00:56:18.060 are probably at best ambivalent,
00:56:19.840 about Israel,
00:56:20.420 you don't really see this,
00:56:21.880 like huge anti-Israel coalition,
00:56:23.900 like you see among zoomers,
00:56:25.440 with millennials,
00:56:26.740 and so far as you do see it,
00:56:28.240 typically it's from leftists,
00:56:29.540 which is why,
00:56:30.640 you know,
00:56:31.400 a lot of older people are like,
00:56:32.640 being anti-Israel,
00:56:33.640 means you're on the left,
00:56:34.620 because they're like,
00:56:35.300 used to engaging with millennials,
00:56:36.900 versus zoomers,
00:56:37.740 who it's like,
00:56:38.100 kind of across the board,
00:56:39.020 in many ways,
00:56:40.040 you're very hard pressed,
00:56:41.540 to find like,
00:56:42.100 a super vehemently pro-Israel,
00:56:44.020 zoomer,
00:56:44.980 right or left,
00:56:45.640 giving it his best go,
00:56:49.020 but that's probably,
00:56:49.460 on the donor's part,
00:56:50.380 dude,
00:56:50.920 he is like,
00:56:51.600 the last guy,
00:56:52.600 the last man standing,
00:56:53.700 you almost like,
00:56:54.720 want to see,
00:56:55.600 what he can cook up next,
00:56:57.220 because it's,
00:56:58.060 it's,
00:56:59.080 he's like a baby boomer,
00:57:00.100 in a young man's body,
00:57:01.600 it's very fascinating to watch,
00:57:03.480 my,
00:57:03.860 my question like,
00:57:05.580 beyond,
00:57:05.900 I mean this is going to be unpacked,
00:57:07.120 at length,
00:57:07.620 but like,
00:57:08.740 what reason could Mike Huckby,
00:57:10.380 even possibly have,
00:57:11.820 to meet with Jonathan Pollard,
00:57:13.160 that question,
00:57:14.380 is why we should be,
00:57:16.020 generally skeptical,
00:57:17.260 of what is Israel,
00:57:18.240 actually offering the US,
00:57:19.320 in 2025,
00:57:20.940 this is,
00:57:23.020 this is definitely a cert,
00:57:23.900 this is why Israel,
00:57:25.500 and pro-Israel contingent,
00:57:27.280 are losing control,
00:57:28.560 of the framing,
00:57:29.100 in the United States,
00:57:30.380 this is why they feel,
00:57:32.280 the need to launch,
00:57:33.360 this Groyper Op,
00:57:34.260 where they describe anyone,
00:57:35.080 because most people,
00:57:35.700 to the right of Ted Cruz,
00:57:36.500 are kind of growing,
00:57:37.260 a little bit tired,
00:57:38.520 of our relationship with Israel,
00:57:40.220 and the impetus,
00:57:41.100 isn't on the,
00:57:41.720 the pro-Israel kind of,
00:57:42.560 they're smart,
00:57:43.780 they wouldn't be,
00:57:44.460 launching ops,
00:57:45.280 to try and like,
00:57:45.960 trick people into,
00:57:47.520 thinking that any critique,
00:57:48.780 of immigration,
00:57:50.340 and a relationship,
00:57:51.600 with Israel,
00:57:52.100 makes you like,
00:57:52.620 a far-right extremist,
00:57:53.440 if they were smart,
00:57:54.180 they would just articulate,
00:57:55.240 why they think we should be,
00:57:56.640 you know,
00:57:58.040 deepening our ties to Israel,
00:57:59.640 and they can't do that,
00:58:00.980 and I hate to say it,
00:58:01.940 to get you in trouble,
00:58:02.720 but I don't hate to say it,
00:58:04.000 but I just think,
00:58:04.500 it'd get you in trouble,
00:58:05.580 the reason for that is,
00:58:06.940 because there's not really,
00:58:07.840 that many good reasons,
00:58:08.680 to deepen our ties,
00:58:09.580 with Israel right now,
00:58:10.200 they're not really,
00:58:10.940 offering us much,
00:58:11.880 from my view,
00:58:12.560 if we're bankrolling,
00:58:13.600 the existence of a country,
00:58:14.880 they should like,
00:58:15.560 be our client state,
00:58:16.700 in every way,
00:58:17.540 there's a lot of countries,
00:58:18.420 in Europe,
00:58:18.900 that understand this very well,
00:58:20.380 is that look,
00:58:20.900 if the Americans,
00:58:21.520 are paying for everything,
00:58:23.560 then yeah,
00:58:24.280 you kind of just do,
00:58:25.220 whatever they tell you to do,
00:58:26.220 versus it seems like,
00:58:27.820 a lot of our foreign policy,
00:58:28.860 in the Middle East,
00:58:29.860 didn't really benefit us,
00:58:31.380 very much,
00:58:31.860 but it was extremely,
00:58:32.720 beneficial to Israel,
00:58:34.120 again,
00:58:35.900 this isn't like a,
00:58:37.520 oh there's this,
00:58:38.100 overarching cabal,
00:58:39.360 controlling everything,
00:58:39.960 because a lot of the support,
00:58:41.520 in Israel was driven,
00:58:42.140 by baby boomers,
00:58:42.760 and it was driven,
00:58:43.260 by dispensationalists,
00:58:44.420 and they made up,
00:58:45.300 they made up the,
00:58:46.240 good chunk of the voting base,
00:58:48.160 for the longest time,
00:58:49.540 but that voting base,
00:58:50.820 is shrinking,
00:58:51.840 the boomers,
00:58:52.540 this is their first year now,
00:58:54.060 where they were going to be,
00:58:55.800 the,
00:58:56.280 their life expectancy,
00:58:57.180 has hit the oldest,
00:58:58.140 baby boomer,
00:58:58.800 so 46,
00:58:59.680 the year Trump was born,
00:59:01.080 that is life expectancy,
00:59:02.180 if you're born in 1946,
00:59:03.180 you're hitting your life expectancy,
00:59:04.100 right now,
00:59:04.620 so the boomers,
00:59:05.280 are now dropping off,
00:59:06.820 and dispensationalist theology,
00:59:08.840 is dropping off,
00:59:09.680 because that was very permeant,
00:59:11.140 with evangelical boomers,
00:59:14.340 not really prevalent,
00:59:15.120 with zoomers,
00:59:15.880 and there's a lot of,
00:59:16.440 evangelical zoomers,
00:59:17.360 and it's obviously not prevalent,
00:59:18.680 within Catholics,
00:59:19.840 which there's a huge insurgent,
00:59:21.400 of Catholics,
00:59:22.200 on the,
00:59:22.920 with zoomers,
00:59:24.620 so yeah,
00:59:25.900 if you're pro Israel,
00:59:28.040 maybe stop,
00:59:29.320 like trying to run ops,
00:59:30.240 and again,
00:59:30.560 like trick people,
00:59:31.260 into thinking,
00:59:31.880 there's something wrong,
00:59:32.720 with being critical of Israel,
00:59:33.800 and instead,
00:59:35.000 I don't know,
00:59:35.320 maybe like try to come up,
00:59:36.580 with a solution,
00:59:37.780 maybe push Israel,
00:59:39.140 to conduct their relationship,
00:59:40.480 with the United States,
00:59:41.500 slightly differently,
00:59:42.440 come up with some better messaging,
00:59:43.400 for why people should support the country,
00:59:44.900 because most of us,
00:59:45.460 are sitting here like,
00:59:46.060 I don't get it,
00:59:47.000 I don't,
00:59:47.340 whatever the baby boomers are seeing,
00:59:48.760 I'm not really seeing,
00:59:50.120 and I kind of just take,
00:59:51.100 the JD Vance approach,
00:59:52.140 which is like,
00:59:52.540 just trying to general ambivalence,
00:59:54.480 right,
00:59:54.820 like they're their own country,
00:59:55.920 they can handle their own affairs,
00:59:58.000 what's in it for us,
00:59:59.580 so,
01:00:00.680 with that,
01:00:02.180 we,
01:00:02.440 we,
01:00:03.060 man,
01:00:03.460 we burned through an hour,
01:00:04.960 quick man,
01:00:05.500 we fly through this,
01:00:07.020 it's in the new studio,
01:00:08.020 this is,
01:00:08.540 I think Timcast viewers,
01:00:09.500 will like to hear this,
01:00:10.440 this is a little trivia,
01:00:11.620 so we've set up,
01:00:12.500 the across the pond,
01:00:13.840 slash,
01:00:14.320 take cast studio,
01:00:15.540 in a trailer,
01:00:17.020 you probably can't tell,
01:00:18.040 from the background,
01:00:18.520 this is the trailer,
01:00:19.380 that the Joe Rogan,
01:00:20.200 Timcast IRL episode,
01:00:21.400 was shot in,
01:00:22.000 so there's some history here,
01:00:23.180 in this trailer,
01:00:24.380 so we got this set up,
01:00:25.300 to give us like,
01:00:25.700 a permanent space,
01:00:26.900 everyone was complaining,
01:00:27.700 about the inverted world live,
01:00:29.040 studio,
01:00:29.780 because of the camera,
01:00:30.880 which is set for Shane's vibe,
01:00:33.000 I mean the,
01:00:33.400 the aesthetic over there,
01:00:34.160 is pretty sick,
01:00:34.920 didn't really work,
01:00:35.540 for the across the pond thing,
01:00:36.620 but we're set up here,
01:00:37.520 we're getting going,
01:00:38.720 and yeah,
01:00:39.320 I'll actually put in,
01:00:40.280 a special request,
01:00:41.140 that you'd be put in the trailer,
01:00:42.280 outside the main studio,
01:00:43.480 so it makes it easier,
01:00:44.420 for Mossad to drone strike you,
01:00:45.860 after this episode,
01:00:47.040 it's true dude,
01:00:47.980 this is like,
01:00:49.280 what do they call the trailers,
01:00:50.800 that they put the cows into,
01:00:52.220 like when they're taking them,
01:00:53.300 from like farms,
01:00:54.080 this is like the goy cattle,
01:00:56.000 like containment trailer,
01:00:58.020 that's what I'm in right now,
01:00:58.980 I thought you were going to say,
01:00:59.940 the ship from the camp of the Sains,
01:01:01.620 but no,
01:01:04.020 no,
01:01:04.420 we're in,
01:01:04.900 we're in beautiful,
01:01:05.580 it's public,
01:01:06.980 we're in West Virginia,
01:01:07.880 it's beautiful out here,
01:01:09.120 we are,
01:01:09.780 we're enjoying it,
01:01:10.720 no this is,
01:01:11.300 this is a luxury,
01:01:12.520 I have this couch over here,
01:01:13.420 that I can like lay down on,
01:01:14.820 after I ran about immigration,
01:01:16.220 too much,
01:01:16.520 I just work myself up,
01:01:17.460 my heart rate goes through the roof,
01:01:18.680 and I have to lay down,
01:01:19.380 for a little bit,
01:01:21.320 yeah,
01:01:21.740 with that,
01:01:22.360 I don't know,
01:01:22.600 Connor do you have any final thoughts,
01:01:23.860 like what's going on with you,
01:01:25.140 what's,
01:01:25.620 what can people look out for,
01:01:27.600 final thoughts,
01:01:29.140 I will say that,
01:01:30.840 so people were questioning actually,
01:01:32.240 a little while ago,
01:01:33.080 why I took an Israel trip,
01:01:35.160 and it's because I wanted insight,
01:01:36.500 into this particular problem,
01:01:37.520 because I had zero connection,
01:01:39.120 to this place,
01:01:39.780 and also,
01:01:40.480 you know,
01:01:40.740 as a Catholic,
01:01:41.280 I wanted to see the holy sites,
01:01:42.780 before one side,
01:01:44.260 or the other,
01:01:45.160 bombs them to rubble,
01:01:46.560 and when I was asking them out there,
01:01:48.340 about the special memorandum,
01:01:50.420 and whether or not,
01:01:51.260 they realized that people want the aid cut,
01:01:53.520 like there were a bunch of them,
01:01:54.480 that were saying,
01:01:55.400 yeah,
01:01:55.620 we realize it kind of,
01:01:56.480 casts a shadow of doubt,
01:01:57.860 over whether or not,
01:01:58.600 we're a legitimate state,
01:01:59.560 so we're kind of up for this,
01:02:00.880 yeah,
01:02:01.060 we want like a 10 year phasing out,
01:02:02.560 and maybe we should move the money,
01:02:04.080 to a mutual investment pot,
01:02:05.300 and I was like,
01:02:06.180 number one,
01:02:07.160 moronic idea,
01:02:07.940 Americans just don't want to give you money,
01:02:09.340 man,
01:02:09.620 and they shouldn't,
01:02:10.460 but number two,
01:02:11.560 they then still wanted,
01:02:13.600 like,
01:02:14.020 the unquestionable support,
01:02:15.900 from Americans,
01:02:17.060 without necessarily providing much back,
01:02:18.700 they just lent back,
01:02:19.780 on the sort of,
01:02:20.340 post-war liberal international tropes,
01:02:22.240 or they were saying,
01:02:23.320 Israel is the soil,
01:02:24.580 in which western civilization grew,
01:02:26.480 and if you're a Christian,
01:02:27.360 you should therefore,
01:02:27.900 support the Jewish state,
01:02:28.700 and they continue to,
01:02:31.020 I would say,
01:02:31.660 contort theology,
01:02:33.180 in order to win the support of Christians,
01:02:34.880 and I,
01:02:36.120 the reason I'm saying all this,
01:02:37.360 is because,
01:02:38.060 as you say,
01:02:39.560 if they want a continued relationship,
01:02:41.340 with the United States,
01:02:42.060 it needs to be reciprocal,
01:02:43.460 and between friendly partners,
01:02:45.180 and not one based on,
01:02:46.640 exploitation,
01:02:47.340 or taking each other for granted,
01:02:48.500 and I just don't think,
01:02:49.500 they understand that,
01:02:51.220 and so,
01:02:51.960 I don't think,
01:02:53.260 that's going to happen,
01:02:54.140 I think,
01:02:54.800 I'm with Tim on this,
01:02:55.640 I think within a generation,
01:02:56.760 support for Israel,
01:02:57.280 just goes extinct,
01:02:59.200 because,
01:02:59.900 whether,
01:03:00.260 whether from the third world,
01:03:01.740 or from a right wing,
01:03:02.980 America first,
01:03:03.840 or,
01:03:04.240 or,
01:03:04.780 British people first,
01:03:06.460 perspective,
01:03:07.480 we're just not going to care about,
01:03:08.780 this strip of land,
01:03:09.400 in the Middle East,
01:03:10.000 we're going to care about,
01:03:10.640 our own countries being,
01:03:11.520 demographically swamped,
01:03:12.440 and impoverished,
01:03:13.260 and ruined by years,
01:03:14.280 of foreign adventurism,
01:03:15.540 as far as,
01:03:16.280 beyond final thoughts,
01:03:17.140 you can follow me,
01:03:17.680 at con underscore Tomlinson,
01:03:19.100 on X,
01:03:19.740 I'm on Connor Tomlinson,
01:03:21.140 on Substack,
01:03:22.260 and on YouTube,
01:03:23.300 and you guys can look forward,
01:03:24.540 to our upcoming episodes,
01:03:25.740 with special guest panelists,
01:03:28.320 that will be out,
01:03:29.300 tomorrow,
01:03:29.860 at the time that you're watching this,
01:03:30.900 and the following week,
01:03:32.380 very true,
01:03:32.980 very true,
01:03:33.420 keep on the lookout,
01:03:34.460 I am receiving the call here,
01:03:35.920 so I'm going to put my phone on silent,
01:03:37.120 but we do need to wrap up,
01:03:37.880 so I can answer the call,
01:03:38.940 we're going to see what,
01:03:39.680 what they want,
01:03:40.360 it's not necessarily Israel,
01:03:41.620 it could be a lot of countries,
01:03:42.480 I've put this out there,
01:03:43.920 I would,
01:03:44.640 I would lobby,
01:03:45.300 I think it'd be fun to lobby,
01:03:46.300 for kind of like,
01:03:47.080 a little more low key country,
01:03:48.460 like I don't know,
01:03:49.420 if I just get on here one day,
01:03:50.580 and I'm just really emphasizing,
01:03:51.620 the importance of like Tajikistan,
01:03:53.060 I think that could be kind of fun,
01:03:54.560 so if you're from like,
01:03:55.920 a third rate country,
01:03:57.160 kind of like a country without aura,
01:03:59.320 hit my line,
01:04:00.080 hit my line up,
01:04:00.800 my DMs are open,
01:04:02.260 I am willing to listen to offers,
01:04:04.000 the current standing offer is $7,000,
01:04:06.260 so you're going to have to,
01:04:07.060 either price match that,
01:04:08.240 or offer a bit more,
01:04:09.760 but,
01:04:10.640 hey,
01:04:11.260 I'm a,
01:04:11.720 you know,
01:04:12.300 I'm a bit of a geopolitical whore,
01:04:13.620 I'll say it that way,
01:04:14.420 so with that,
01:04:15.160 you can follow me on X,
01:04:15.840 and Instagram,
01:04:16.320 at RealTayBrown,
01:04:17.640 we will be back tomorrow,
01:04:19.600 with an episode with Charlie Downs,
01:04:22.120 the Charlie Downs,
01:04:23.380 can you believe it Connor,
01:04:24.200 we're going to get the Charlie Downs,
01:04:25.320 we're going to quiz him,
01:04:26.340 we're going to grill him,
01:04:27.540 it's going to be a fantastic show,
01:04:28.600 so be there,
01:04:29.040 we'll see you tomorrow,
01:04:29.740 thank you very much for watching,
01:04:30.960 until next time.
01:04:31.580 We'll be right back.