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00:01:26.800 iGaming Ontario. I think this will end up, this is where I really need that foreign 1.00

00:01:31.140 terrorist organization designation because that will prohibit this, right? The, for

00:01:35.020 example, I mean, if you place them under sanctions, it's the same reason that members of the Russian 0.98

00:01:39.880 government can't have blue checks on X because X is a United States company. There are sanctions

00:01:43.500 on Russia so there can't be any financial relationship between the United States and

00:01:48.440 entities associated with the Russian government. Same thing we'll start applying here. If we get

00:01:51.880 that designation, every blue check will have to go away. From the Post Millennial, Google admits

00:01:57.760 Biden admin pressured them to censor YouTubers and will reinstate banned accounts. This is shocking.

00:02:06.180 Rhett Jim Jordan said that's not all. He says YouTube admits the Biden admin censorship pressure was

00:02:11.900 unacceptable and wrong. Confirms the Biden admin wanted Americans censored for speech that did not

00:02:17.060 violate their policies. They detail when YouTube began rolling back its censorship policies on

00:02:21.760 political speech after the judiciary began its investigation. States that public debates should

00:02:27.360 never come at the expense of relying on authorities. Promises to never use third-party fact checkers.

00:02:32.960 Warns that Europe censorship laws target American companies and threaten American speech.

00:02:38.320 Now I have questions, serious questions about where this goes. Will these companies adhere to Trump's

00:02:46.160 authority? Well, right now they're terrified of Jim Jordan and the House Judiciary Committee.

00:02:50.280 So it seems like they will. But Trump just declared Antifa a terrorist organization. And the question is,

00:02:56.560 will they fall in line? I'm curious about the legal matter. So we brought in a lawyer.

00:03:01.700 We'll be joined by Will Chamberlain. Let's bring him in now.

00:03:06.920 And let's see if we get this working. It looks like it may be working. Audio seems good. Let's just start it up.

00:03:15.400 Make sure everything is—usually we have some audio issues. Will, can you hear me?

00:03:19.540 I can hear you just fine.

00:03:20.960 All right. Well, how's it going, brother?

00:03:23.200 I'm good, man. How you been?

00:03:25.020 All things considered, as good as I can be.

00:03:26.940 Right.

00:03:27.540 So we decided to bring in a lawyer because I got a bunch of questions,

00:03:31.120 not just on the legal ramifications of Trump's Antifa terrorist designation,

00:03:35.160 or what we just discovered about what Google was doing in censorship,

00:03:38.780 but also the cultural elements of what happens to a country when confidence is broken.

00:03:42.400 But we'll just start at the beginning.

00:03:44.540 Trump has designated Antifa a domestic terror organization through an executive order.

00:03:49.500 Now, there's a report out from The Hill claiming he has no legal authority to do so,

00:03:54.620 and it's meaningless. Is that true? What is this?

00:03:58.820 I mean, meaningless is a little bit strong, but there isn't a statute that sets out a category

00:04:03.160 of domestic terrorist organization. As far as I know, that means that the designation

00:04:07.300 would have some profound legal implication. However, the rest of the executive order does

00:04:12.220 immediately direct the Department of Justice and all related agencies to start going after

00:04:16.120 Antifa then prosecuting them under existing law. So I think the idea that saying the entire

00:04:21.380 executive order is toothless is wrong, but the idea that saying that there is actually some

00:04:27.640 current legal import to identifying them as a domestic terrorist organization, I think that's correct.

00:04:33.980 I think actually then that would imply the executive order is actually quite

00:04:37.120 toothful. If there's no legal distinction, then it is only what Trump asserts it to be,

00:04:45.400 a terrorist organization.

00:04:46.020 Right. And I mean, Trump can just say somebody's a domestic terrorist organization. He can demand

00:04:50.680 that executive branch officials refer to it as a domestic terrorist organization,

00:04:55.100 treat it with the seriousness of any other terrorist organization. Remember, he's the guy whose

00:04:59.500 responsibility is to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. He is in charge of the

00:05:05.180 Department of Justice. He's in charge of the Department of Homeland Security. So when an executive

00:05:10.560 order comes out, you know, essentially it's not the fact that they were semantically defined as a

00:05:15.300 domestic terrorist organization. It's the fact that President Trump is saying you need to prioritize

00:05:18.980 these people and stop their criminality. And that's a high priority, number one.

00:05:23.640 But there are serious cultural elements here. So I was just talking about the big tech platforms all

00:05:29.840 have rules banning terrorist organizations. The obvious question is, who defines what a

00:05:35.280 terrorist organization is? Because they're not saying foreign. This would apply to American

00:05:39.300 organizations as well. So this is the question that I've been asking. First, I'll ask you your

00:05:46.500 opinion. Do you think the big tech platforms are actually going to treat these Antifa accounts like

00:05:51.220 terrorists and ban them? I think Elon Musk's ex probably will. I wouldn't bet on anybody else doing

00:05:59.760 it. I assume that there's this sort of lingering meme among the left that Antifa isn't really an

00:06:05.340 organization because it's so decentralized, which is very cute, but false. There is a loose organization

00:06:12.580 and they're trying to have this very cramped definition of what constitutes an organization to

00:06:16.760 be somebody with like a supreme leader who runs the organization like a CEO and has authority over

00:06:22.240 all its subordinates. Organizations can be much more loose and decentralized than that and still

00:06:26.160 be organizations. Yeah. I can speak from experience. I know Andy knows probably the expert on this one,

00:06:30.340 but there are leaders. And it's actually quite simple. Who prints the flyers? Who picks the time?

00:06:35.460 Who tells people where to stand? And I've personally met these people at these meetings. They exist.

00:06:40.420 They lie. And these NGOs, these nonprofits lie as well, claiming it's leaderless because they want to make

00:06:45.940 it difficult for law enforcement to track down who's actually responsible for funding and organizing all

00:06:51.100 this stuff. But I'm curious, where does this go? I mean, I don't know that Trump actually needed to

00:06:59.160 designate them terrorist organizations for any law enforcement function. He could have just told Pam

00:07:04.080 Bondi, start going after these groups. Does this grant him any kind of special RICO powers or preempt

00:07:09.760 anything? Like what's the point of doing it? I mean, I think it's to, I think there's a symbolic

00:07:15.580 nature of the, of the executive order to say that, you know, he's, this is formally recognized by the

00:07:20.740 executive branch as a terrorist organization. And I think there's value independent of everything

00:07:24.900 else to that. It's simple, but it is, it is still symbolic. It doesn't create some new statutory right

00:07:30.240 or statute. It doesn't create some statutory right for the government to go after people that it didn't

00:07:34.460 already have. But we do have laws on the books specifically targeting acts of terror.

00:07:39.600 Yeah, we do. And we also have acts of, we have laws in the books about foreign terrorist organizations

00:07:43.780 too. I think that the real, the real interesting next move is whether president Trump's going to

00:07:47.600 be able to designate Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization. I know they're looking into it.

00:07:51.980 Wow. And that actually does have meaningful legal import because there are federal crimes against

00:07:57.140 material support for a foreign terrorist organization, for example. And then there are

00:08:01.400 travel bans and there are any, there are, there are a number of ramifications and consequences that can

00:08:05.400 result when an organization is designated as an FTO. Well, there's a prominently Antifa,

00:08:11.980 Germany. The Netherlands is considering also naming Antifa as a terrorist organization.

00:08:16.460 What would stop them from saying this is a foreign terrorist organization?

00:08:20.980 It's, it's not clear. I mean, again, this is one of those situations where you have a whole bunch

00:08:25.120 of left-leaning journalists saying, oh, of course this couldn't be done. It's impossible because

00:08:28.460 Antifa is some decentralized grouping of ragtag bums down the street or something, uh, as opposed to an 0.81

00:08:33.680 actual organization of people that cause riot and mayhem all over the world. We just saw it actually in

00:08:38.580 Italy, uh, huge Antifa, uh, riots, uh, against the fact because the Italian government didn't

00:08:44.000 recognize the state of Palestine. And Paris as well. Just the other day, uh, Nick Shirley posted

00:08:48.240 this crazy video of people saying they were Antifa. They are aligning under a singular banner. You know,

00:08:53.920 what my guess would be is that the Trump administration probably knows they could issue a

00:08:58.700 declaration of, as an FTO right away. I bet they want to get some financial ties first so that when

00:09:05.480 some lib or, you know, tries to make the argument that just because they use the same symbols and

00:09:10.840 then the Trump admin can say, actually look at this exchange of finances and communications or

00:09:14.660 something like that. Yeah. And I think they probably want to make the findings as robust as possible to

00:09:19.980 insulate them from court challenge. Uh, right. If the state department, if the state department does

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00:11:29.900 There's a, there's an opportunity 30 days to challenge the designation and say, you know,

00:11:33.580 it's not a foreign organization. It's not an organization at all and potentially get it 0.84

00:11:37.140 removed from the list. So I think they're, you know, whereas Trump making this symbolic

00:11:41.160 declaration now is just, he's just saying it actually, you know, getting the foreign

00:11:45.720 has a terrorist organization designation done and making it stick. They probably want to have as

00:11:50.900 solid a legal footing for that as possible.

00:11:53.200 I actually think this is one of the riskiest things that Trump has done. I was talking about

00:11:56.800 this on IRL last night that you had explained to me back in 2021 with Texas v. Pennsylvania.

00:12:03.180 You had said, and I'll, you can, you can elaborate this because I don't want to put words in your

00:12:06.360 mouth and it was your idea, but the, the reason why I asked why the Supreme Court would not take up

00:12:11.600 this, this lawsuit between Texas and Pennsylvania, only Thomas and Alito, Alito would. And you said

00:12:16.060 the Supreme, simple version, Supreme Court doesn't want people to realize it has no enforcement

00:12:20.780 power. Yes. Do you want to basically explain that? And better than I forget the facts of the Texas

00:12:27.860 and the Pennsylvania case. So it's hard for me to remember exactly what was going on. Uh,

00:12:32.140 what I said that in reference to, but I can, I can't explain the concept is that,

00:12:36.040 you know, the, the federal newspapers explained that the judiciary was created as the weakest

00:12:40.340 branch of government and it's totally relies on its legitimacy and its judgment. Um, and it relies

00:12:45.980 on the other branches of government to enforce its rulings. And if it's seen as illegitimate,

00:12:50.440 or if it's made to be responsible for continuous supervision of somebody, then it doesn't want to do

00:12:56.220 those things. I guess in the, in the Antifa context, um, I mean, you could see them trying,

00:13:02.080 I mean, I could, I don't think that necessarily comes into play too much. Uh, it might come,

00:13:07.120 it will come into play on the foreign terrorist organization designation if that came, but I don't

00:13:10.400 see them, you know, there's, there's no cause of action. The concept, the reason I bring up the

00:13:15.640 concept, it's not so much that I'm saying the Supreme court will have to issue a ruling, but I'm

00:13:19.340 bringing up the issue of confidence. The Supreme court fears that if people realize they can't enforce

00:13:24.780 certain actions, people will start to disregard many of their rulings because what are you going to do

00:13:29.060 about it? And so the idea is that the Supreme court tries to issue rulings that they know people will

00:13:35.400 socially agree to without being so egregious, it requires physical enforcement. That's the,

00:13:42.060 that's the general understanding. I believe. I think it's that they, they don't want to go too

00:13:46.420 far outside the bounds of the Overton window with any of their rulings to the point that it threatens

00:13:50.980 their legitimacy. I think that's true. Um, and they certainly don't want to do things that

00:13:55.540 require kind of continuous oversight. You're seeing a major retreat from things like

00:13:58.900 consent decrees where, uh, you know, a local jurisdiction and maybe the department of justice

00:14:03.960 will sign some settlement requiring, uh, the DOJ or not the DOJ rather, but requiring judicial

00:14:09.780 oversight of the local policies of that police department. This was really common in the past.

00:14:14.220 Uh, but the Supreme court doesn't really like these. And the reason being is it kind of,

00:14:18.080 it puts the judge in a position where they're doing this almost executive function of continuing to

00:14:22.980 is in continuing to monitor whether somebody is complying with the law. That's a classic

00:14:27.600 executive branch function and not a judicial function. So they did, they want to be in the

00:14:32.060 business of judging. The reason I bring this up is that my, my view on this is that under the

00:14:37.080 Biden administration, we're now learning, like we knew this, but we're now learning this with Jim

00:14:40.180 Jordan, just putting out this post, the Biden admin administration, Democrats pressured Google

00:14:45.160 to censor people who broke no rules. And the political climate was such that Google was scared

00:14:50.620 of the executive branch and complied and began censoring people. My view now is with all of these

00:14:58.620 platforms, having these rules against terrorism and supporting terrorism and memorializing, or in

00:15:05.380 any way, like Google's actually pretty explicit about even saying nice things about him as bannable

00:15:10.500 is removable with Trump formally declaring as an executive order that they're terrorists.

00:15:17.220 This is a, this is a public confidence challenge. If YouTube acts, meta, tick tock, et cetera,

00:15:22.380 do not now act as though Trump's word matters. There are going to be people who say Trump is illegitimate

00:15:29.360 and big tech platforms don't even follow the executive branch's designation of terrorism.

00:15:35.380 Okay. So the, the argument therefore is that the, the Trump shouldn't have done this because it

00:15:41.220 makes him potentially look feckless. Is that, is that the argument? I'm saying it's a risky move

00:15:45.140 by Trump. And if, if YouTube, for instance, declares the Biden administration yelled at us,

00:15:52.540 so we banned innocent people. The Trump administration made a formal declaration of a criminal extremist

00:15:58.060 terrorist group. We don't care what he thinks. We are not banning these people. It shows a clear

00:16:02.600 distinction in what they fear and what they don't. Sure. I, but then I, I guess I wouldn't say that

00:16:08.260 it's risky on the part of the Trump administration. If anything, then it's just revealing, right? It's

00:16:12.100 revealing the extent to which, uh, these, these platforms are essentially in the pocket of the

00:16:17.060 left. And they, you know, regardless of whether the president of the United States says some

00:16:20.760 organization that's clearly rioting all over the country, launching violence everywhere, though,

00:16:25.020 they're not a terrorist organization, but we were going to take the word of the Biden

00:16:27.860 administration about every scientist who was saying anything about COVID. Well,

00:16:30.700 it's clear who you're in the pocket of. So I think it's, I don't think it's risky for Trump so

00:16:34.280 much as it's revealing of what these tech companies will do. I believe the risk is that it shows

00:16:39.140 these companies don't fear Trump's enforcement capabilities. They don't take it seriously and

00:16:44.160 there's no real threat. And then from that, you have a fracturing of confidence in who actually

00:16:49.160 has legitimate power in the United States. If Trump's executive branch cannot treat terrorist

00:16:56.920 organizations as terrorist organizations and he's told it's illegitimate, it starts to fracture the

00:17:01.640 view of who has actual authority in this country. I think, I think Trump needs to be able to say

00:17:06.480 terrorists are terrorists and he'll be treated as terrorists. But the big tech companies, it's the

00:17:11.900 majority of how we consume information and how our society builds confidence in who they actually

00:17:16.580 fear. The way to describe it is if Trump says he's going to arrest somebody, but no one actually

00:17:22.060 thinks he'll ever win in court, they'd ignore it. Take a look at California. When Trump says we're

00:17:27.600 going to start rounding up illegal immigrants, the government of California doesn't enforce the law

00:17:33.280 and allows the far left to engage in violence against Trump. There is a fracturing of confidence in,

00:17:39.880 I'll put it this way, the way it needs to be is that there's a monopoly on violence from the

00:17:44.200 superior authority of this country. If Antifa feels that they can firebomb a federal police,

00:17:49.920 a federal law enforcement facility and the state of California will safe, will provide them safe

00:17:55.340 harbor, they will keep doing it. And then people in that state will recognize, I don't have to listen

00:18:02.180 to Trump or I shouldn't listen to Trump because the true monopoly on violence comes from the state

00:18:05.760 of California. And that's when you start getting these civil war distinctions. But I don't know,

00:18:10.020 maybe I'm crazy, right? Yeah. I mean, I think what you're saying is, and what you're right about is

00:18:14.220 this will result, this will end up in a test of the will of the Trump administration, whether they have

00:18:18.220 the will to enforce the law and to put down these sort of quiet, low-key, quote-unquote, rebellions

00:18:23.880 that, you know, essentially, I mean, California is already starting to do stuff like this.

00:18:29.220 You know, they passed a law purporting to regulate whether or not federal agents could wear face

00:18:34.560 masks in their states, which they don't have authority to do. It's completely frivolous.

00:18:39.320 They have no authority to tell federal agents how to do their jobs.

00:18:43.000 So, yeah, I mean, the only point being that if the Trump administration has the will

00:18:51.180 to enforce the law, to push forward with this, I mean, the Supreme Court's going with Trump and

00:18:55.920 the Trump administration on basically everything, right? They're on a record-winning streak of the

00:19:00.240 Supreme Court. But these are the cracks forming, right? You made a really good point with Newsom.

00:19:06.400 He did that press conference the other day where he says federal agents can't wear masks.

00:19:09.640 And again, he has no authority over this federal law enforcement, but he's trying to assert it.

00:19:15.400 There's currently an ongoing battle as to who has the authority over the National Guard in

00:19:19.580 California. I think right now the latest was a stay so that Trump does retain control.

00:19:24.000 But it's gone back and forth so many times. I don't actually know where we're at right now.

00:19:27.520 And think about it this way. Trump has said, formally by executive order, they are terrorists.

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00:20:03.460 Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year?

00:20:08.000 I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day.

00:20:12.940 Obviously, the goal is a championship. There's no doubt in that. And that's the goal. We want to

00:20:17.860 win a championship.

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00:21:05.280 If YouTube allows them on the platform, they will be making money.

00:21:11.920 This is massive. I mean, if you have Antifa-aligned group flying the flag of Antifa,

00:21:17.900 asserting they are Antifa in California, and using money earned from social media platforms

00:21:23.100 that refuse to remove them, and that money then goes towards their terrorist activities,

00:21:27.280 as viewed by the Trump administration, I think we're in a very dangerous situation.

00:21:32.640 Yeah, I think this will end up—this is where I really need that foreign terrorist organization 1.00

00:21:36.960 designation, because that will prohibit this, right? For example, I mean, if you place them

00:21:42.040 under sanctions, it's the same reason that members of the Russian government can't have

00:21:45.600 blue checks on X, because X is a United States company. There are sanctions on Russia, so there

00:21:49.260 can't be any financial relationship between the United States and entities associated with the

00:21:54.460 Russian government. Same thing will start applying here. If we get that designation, every blue check

00:21:58.220 will have to go away, and it's not clear that X will be allowed to even host their accounts if

00:22:03.580 they're a foreign terrorist organization in particular. So I think that I really want the 1.00

00:22:08.460 administration to go further here. They should be designated as a foreign terrorist organization.

00:22:12.680 The organization was founded in Europe. It is not an American organization as such. It's a global

00:22:20.900 organization, and we should cite it as such. I mean, there's videos of them right now in foreign

00:22:24.800 countries, and these people do communicate. I've traveled all over the world, and my other

00:22:30.060 journalists and I would call these people the tourists, a group of activists that somehow ended up all over

00:22:34.560 the country, and even in China and Turkey and France and Germany. The same people, the same organizing

00:22:41.120 meetings, because these are people, some might call them globalists, or they believe in no borders,

00:22:47.440 one world, whatever you want to call it. They're communists. They want total domination. These are

00:22:52.040 leaders. They're active. I suppose what I'm seeing now, then, what we can look at, Trump's designation is

00:22:58.120 not a legal distinction. It is just him saying it. The FTO would be that legal distinction.

00:23:03.040 So it sounds like Trump may be poking at the confidence of this country to see,

00:23:11.300 will these other companies, not just big tech, but will companies actually fall in line with what

00:23:16.300 he declares, or are they going to say, we won't move unless we have to?

00:23:22.000 Yeah, I think that's actually an interesting way of looking at what Trump is doing. It's sort of

00:23:26.560 testing the waters and seeing the extent to how far does his power reach, what are these companies

00:23:33.580 willing to do in the face of the president of the United States saying, that's a terrorist

00:23:37.720 organization. We're dedicating federal resources to fight them. I'm not sure how the tech companies

00:23:44.000 will respond, but I think you're right. Trump does this sort of stuff. He loves throwing out tests and

00:23:50.680 rhetorical traps for people. He throws stuff out there to see what comes back.

00:23:55.040 Like the Pam Bondi thing, right? Where he posted on Truth saying,

00:23:58.440 Pam, go and arrest these people. Why are we waiting? Then deletes it. I think it's a trial,

00:24:03.700 but he wants to see what the reaction is going to be. The point I was making at the beginning of

00:24:07.400 this show earlier was that if the first thing Trump did when he got into office was instruct

00:24:12.460 FBI agents to go arrest Hillary, I bet they'd say no. They'd say, I'm not, this is crazy because 0.99

00:24:18.780 Trump is trying to jump out of the Overton window. The expectation of this is too great.

00:24:22.980 So he needs to build the pressure and slowly move in that direction. That's why I think we're seeing

00:24:28.700 like Letitia James facing prosecution over the mortgage thing. It's rather light. Once it becomes

00:24:34.240 more accepted and commonplace that these people will be charged and arrested, and they have been,

00:24:38.740 it won't be a great leap for a rank and file FBI guy to be like, okay, I'll go arrest Hillary. 1.00

00:24:43.260 I could see that. I think, you know, he's also trying to find, I mean, one of the things the DOJ

00:24:49.940 is conscious of this. They're trying to select cases that they're going to win on to bring to

00:24:54.220 the Supreme Court. They, you know, there's been a lot more injunctions against the DOJ than cases

00:24:57.460 they've actually brought to the Supreme Court's attention. And so they're being very strategic

00:25:01.960 about it in the same way. There was a lot of worry, especially in the aftermath of the Alien

00:25:06.060 Enemies Act case that the Trump administration was going to defy court orders. They've made really

00:25:10.400 clear they're not going to do that. They're going to obey the court. And the consequence of that has

00:25:14.920 been a slew of victories at the Supreme Court, I think. I mean, also the fact that they're on

00:25:18.800 the right side of the law, but that's also a big part of it. So you could then take that sort of

00:25:23.460 analogy from how DOJ is treating the Supreme Court and say, okay, now this is how President Trump is

00:25:29.000 sort of, you know, creating the environment where people are used to the idea of, okay, we're actually

00:25:35.660 going to go after Antifa in a serious way. We're going to start by saying they're a domestic 1.00

00:25:38.580 terrorist organization. Then maybe the leap to a foreign terrorist organization doesn't seem so

00:25:42.440 large. And then all of a sudden a whole bunch of authorities open up. There's no way they don't

00:25:47.040 know. I know, you know, Stephen Miller knows, right? He knows what Antifa is. He knows what

00:25:54.040 they've done. He's got all the stories lined up. He's watched them happen. That guy is very,

00:25:58.040 very smart. So I have to imagine that the domestic terror designation, which is not,

00:26:02.780 it's, it's, it's not a legal distinction. It's a Trump declaration is intentional for what reason

00:26:08.880 we can speculate, but they know how and when they're going to pull the foreign terrorist

00:26:13.340 organization trigger. I think they've planned this out. Yeah, I think that's right. And Stephen

00:26:17.780 Miller's no fool. He's very, very legally sophisticated. I don't know if he has a law 0.58

00:26:22.000 degree, but if he doesn't, he might as well. He's extremely legally sophisticated. So, you know,

00:26:27.820 there's no question that the administration knows what it's doing on this front, that it's not,

00:26:32.460 you know, make, it's not making things up. It, they, they put out this executive order knowing

00:26:36.560 that it didn't have legal ramifications in the same way that a foreign terrorist organization

00:26:43.540 designation would. So they're not fools. It's a trial balloon. It's, it's, it's, it's the cultural

00:26:48.300 play. If Trump came out and tried the FTO thing up front, the backlash would be nuts and it's

00:26:54.800 already pretty bad. But I think because there's no real legal distinction, and I was even mentioning

00:26:59.480 this before, cause people have long said he should do it. And I'm like, but you can't like,

00:27:03.120 there's no legal distinction for this. You look at, um, who was it? I can't remember who it was.

00:27:08.680 Um, uh, uh, that stupid meet the press guy, Chuck Todd, I think maybe I'm, maybe it's not him, 0.99

00:27:14.020 but he was, Oh no, now Trump's making it. You're a terrorist. If you oppose him, we knew that was going 1.00

00:27:19.380 to be the way they went. But with this very light approach, there's no real direct ramification to

00:27:24.980 you being Antifa. You've got Krasensteins, you got all these liberals coming out saying I'm Antifa.

00:27:29.440 We know nothing's going to happen to him because the distinction has no real teeth. But I guess the

00:27:34.920 question is this for you. Um, everybody knows my answer. When Trump makes these moves,

00:27:41.100 do you think the left will just let him do it?

00:27:46.840 Hmm. Uh, to a degree, I mean, this one, I think they don't have a choice because it's, again,

00:27:52.620 there, there's no legal import to the designation. Will the left just let him do anything?

00:27:56.760 Not really. They've, they've, they've made it clear. They want to resist at every turn. I mean,

00:28:00.360 you just saw what happened in Illinois where you have, you know, candidates for Congress standing in

00:28:04.080 front of ICE vehicles, trying to, trying to stop it. So they're going to, they're going to try and

00:28:08.820 resist. It's just, it really is just a test of the will of the Trump administration at the end of

00:28:12.740 the day. The federal government's the most powerful entity in the history of the, of the world. Most

00:28:16.700 powerful entity in the history of humanity. It just takes the will to use its power and essentially

00:28:22.780 stop those who would resist it. The ultimate question is when does the left give in and accept

00:28:28.180 the authority of Trump with Newsom trying to assert authority of the national guard, trying to

00:28:33.660 assert now authority over federal law enforcement, which he doesn't have and whether big tech is

00:28:39.940 going to fall in line behind Trump's designation of a terrorist organization. The question is when

00:28:44.560 do these companies finally just say, okay, Trump, you're in control or not just Trump, but the federal

00:28:49.760 government. A great example is ABC right now. Jimmy Kimmel gets taken off the air because according to

00:28:55.480 the wall street journal and the Hollywood reporter, he wouldn't apologize. Advertisers and affiliates

00:28:59.560 were angry and Bob Iger and Dana Walden said, Jimmy, the first they were on his side, then said,

00:29:06.620 you're going to make it worse. And Jimmy was like, I don't care. I'm not going to apologize. I'm going

00:29:10.440 to do this. So they pull his show five days later. Would you guys consider anything less than a

00:29:16.920 championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially

00:29:21.680 because we all grow every day. Obviously the goal is a championship. That's, there's no doubt in that.

00:29:27.900 And that's the goal. We want to win a championship. I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast. In

00:29:32.960 case you missed it with Christina Williams, the WNBA playoffs are here and I've got the inside 0.85

00:29:38.120 scoop on everything from key matchups and standout players to the behind the scenes moments you won't

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00:29:53.280 plus exclusive interviews with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's

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00:30:16.580 Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year?

00:30:20.860 I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously,

00:30:26.560 the goal is a championship. That's, there's no doubt in that. And that's the goal. We want to

00:30:30.980 win a championship. I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast, In Case You Missed It with Christina

00:30:36.120 Williams. The WNBA playoffs are here and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups and

00:30:42.260 standout players to the behind the scenes moments you won't find anywhere else. It's really,

00:30:47.340 really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace the new challenge

00:30:52.180 that we have. For all the biggest stories in women's basketball, plus exclusive interviews

00:30:56.460 with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for

00:31:01.540 granted, but we also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way and we're hoping to, you know,

00:31:06.140 make a run. So listen to In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams and iHeart Women's Sports

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00:31:16.280 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:31:18.880 Nextstar and Sinclair are still saying they will not air his show. So the, so the affiliates are

00:31:22.480 still pissed. There's no indication advertisers have changed their mind. What changed that made

00:31:28.660 Disney say, okay, Jimmy, you can come back. There was only one other reported issue at play.

00:31:34.320 And according to the Wall Street Journal, Dana Walden and Bob Iger feared for the safety of their staff

00:31:39.820 due to threats they had been receiving. Since then, a leftist anti-Trump guy opened fire on an ABC

00:31:46.720 station and several, several other affiliates owned by Sinclair received terroristic death threats.

00:31:51.980 So they pulled Charlie Kirk's memorial. It stands to reason, the most probable cases,

00:31:57.620 leftist terror forced Disney's hand. If Trump cannot assert more authority than random psychotic

00:32:06.740 leftist terrorists, no one will listen to what he has to say. The right will be culturally toothless. 0.97

00:32:12.200 And the, and, and this goes to a dark place where I have to imagine the end result is going to be

00:32:18.780 Trump kicking doors down with an expanded federal law enforcement insurrection act or otherwise to

00:32:23.620 stop the terror threats or the left just increases the violence. They don't let Trump do whatever.

00:32:30.800 I mean, there, there needs to be a stop put to it. Um, and this connects to something I was having

00:32:37.260 arguments a few days ago because, you know, obviously there was this whole move where you

00:32:40.700 had kind of moderate liberal types saying, Oh, right-wing cancel culture is in because of the

00:32:46.340 overwhelming force that, you know, right-wing people were just boycotting or, you know, trying to

00:32:51.600 get people fired and, uh, shows canceled. And they were saying, Oh, this is right-wing cancel culture.

00:32:57.020 And I'm like, cancel culture. If this is not cancel culture, this is necessary for the health of the

00:33:01.620 Republic because in a world where assassination becomes normalized, you need to just game that out

00:33:06.320 a little bit. You just need to think about the consequences of a world where if anybody random

00:33:11.260 crazy person or any lonely person knows that they can go out and assassinate a right-wing leader and

00:33:16.260 they will be cheered and absolved of that crime. Uh, there means a lot more assassinations. And at a 0.92

00:33:23.760 certain point, any political movement, if their own people are getting

00:33:26.240 assassinated, they, they, they just, it's, it's effectively civil war. This is Algeria,

00:33:31.300 right? That's, that's what the Algerian rebels were doing. What's up?

00:33:35.340 You said it, not me.

00:33:36.780 Yeah. That's Algeria that where they were just shooting law enforcement and the, you know, the, 1.00

00:33:40.320 the native uprising was just essentially, we are in full out rebellion against the operation of the

00:33:44.480 state. Well, I don't want to live in that world. It's a really, really bad world for everybody.

00:33:48.900 Right. I want to go get Taco Bell and watch world poker tour and just put my feet up and relax.

00:33:54.040 And I have to worry about the explosions outside. And that's where I feel we're heading. But you

00:33:57.880 just made the point that, that I was alluding to the point at which the left feels that Trump's

00:34:03.120 authority is toothless is when they decide to engage in escalation of violence. And the Jimmy

00:34:09.960 Kimmel precedent is terrifying. The only discernible reason they brought him back is because of the

00:34:15.060 terror attacks. He's not apologizing. That's the report from the New York post. Advertisers and

00:34:19.660 affiliates are still angry. The affiliates are still pulling his show, but ABC caved. Why?

00:34:25.800 Someone put a bunch of bullets in an ABC station and they've been getting death threats,

00:34:30.160 terroristic threats. What they are saying publicly when ABC does this is we are more afraid of the

00:34:36.380 left than we are of the right. Because why? Charlie Kirk was assassinated. What did the right do?

00:34:41.940 They got together. They prayed. When George Floyd, a random guy no one knew, died, they burned down

00:34:49.680 every city they could. I mean that figuratively, billions in damage. Bob Iger knows who the threat

00:34:56.500 is. Trump ain't going to come arrest him. The right is not going to smash windows. The joke I used to

00:35:02.220 make is, do you really believe Twitter fears that Dave Rubin will march down the street with a crowbar

00:35:08.380 and a bunch of classical liberals to smash their windows out? No. Dave will do nothing. And I use

00:35:14.260 him as an example because he's such like a, you're like, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way,

00:35:18.960 he's like a run of mill, like kind of lukewarm political commentator. Not extreme in the least

00:35:23.180 bit. These Antifa guys have told you they will kill you. So where does that, where does that bring 0.99

00:35:27.980 us? Exactly what you said with assassinations. Yeah. And I mean, it's civilization versus barbarism all

00:35:33.740 the way down. That's the fundamental divide in our politics. And we're on the side of

00:35:38.940 civilization. And as a result of being on the side of civilization on the right, you know,

00:35:43.060 we're not going to be the party that's out there wanting riots, wanting disorder, wanting random

00:35:47.560 decentralized violence. But what we will demand is the assertion of legitimate and lawful public

00:35:53.160 authority against the enemies of public order and peace. That is what we want. That is what we should 0.88

00:35:57.440 fight for. And that ultimately means an enormous amount of responsibility is on President Trump and

00:36:01.980 P.M. Bondi and the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security. Because we are

00:36:06.120 the peaceful movement, it is on them to ensure that justice reigns and that these terrorists are not

00:36:12.660 allowed to get away with this nonsense. The last thing I'll say is I made this point quite a bit.

00:36:17.220 People keep advocating on the right for the freedom of speech of these liberals who are smearing Charlie,

00:36:23.020 advocating for more death. Maybe it's a little rough. They're basically saying, hey, we shouldn't

00:36:27.980 cancel people because they're, you know, insulting Charlie Kirk and dancing on his grave or whatever.

00:36:31.980 And my response is, I'm not going to advocate they be fired for their opinions, but I'm not going to

00:36:36.900 defend them either. I think it's time that we recognize we are not a singular nation of differing opinion

00:36:43.540 arguing over the limits. We are a constitutional republic being attacked by forces that do not agree with

00:36:49.800 and will not adhere to our form of governance. When they go out and engage in terror like Antifa does, when they

00:36:55.560 suppress silence and threaten, that is not the American people debating. That is an external threat

00:37:02.120 that is inside this country now trying to destroy our rule of law and our way of life.

00:37:07.520 I'm not going to stand up for them when they get censored or silenced or otherwise.

00:37:11.600 Yeah, you're nicer than I am. I'm actively going to insist that they be censored.

00:37:16.220 So there you go.

00:37:17.620 I'm sorry. Not necessarily by the state, but certainly this is exactly the kind of thing

00:37:21.700 that private pressure and societal pressure is appropriate for. Yes, celebrating the assassination

00:37:25.920 of Charlie Kirk is not a crime. Congratulations, we're not going to jail you. But it's appalling

00:37:30.520 and abhorrent and completely destructive to the social fabric of this country and deserves social

00:37:35.280 sanction.

00:37:35.920 You know what? You've changed my mind. I agree with you now. The people who would celebrate

00:37:40.000 or otherwise defend the assassination, I think you've made a really great point. They need to be

00:37:43.740 censored and silenced. And the reason is, a culture—this is your point. It's a great point.

00:37:48.940 A culture that tolerates in any way political assassinations is a culture opening the door

00:37:53.560 to civil war.

00:37:55.100 Correct. That is the core of my argument. It is a necessary—in order to prevent civil war,

00:38:00.740 you must have a hard red line in terms of social sanction on the celebration and encouragement

00:38:06.460 of assassination. It must render you persona non grata in polite society.

00:38:10.700 Yeah, yeah. You know what? I agree. I agree. Will, this has been

00:38:13.620 great. Thanks for hanging out. Where can people find you?

00:38:16.340 I'm at Will Chamberlain on X, and you can also follow the work of the Article 3 project.

00:38:21.580 We were also trying to actually get Ilhan Omar's trip from her committees. That was a big project

00:38:25.920 to find over the past week. We can go into why that didn't work. We've lost by a single vote

00:38:30.180 maybe another time. But follow what the Article 3 project does. We're constantly trying to agitate

00:38:34.420 and move the ball forward on conservative politics, and especially when it comes to the law

00:38:38.240 and the judiciary.

00:38:39.540 Right on, man. Well, thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you next time.

00:38:42.080 Next time.

00:38:43.800 Take care.

00:38:44.140 That was, of course, Will Chamberlain, lawyer, Article 3 project, working to get Ilhan Omar

00:38:52.020 stripped of her committees, as she should be for what she has said about Charlie Kirk. But

00:38:55.940 you know what? He's changed my mind. He really did. You see, I hear thoughts and ideas. They

00:39:00.240 make their point. And this is a conundrum for us. You do have a right to free speech in your

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00:39:37.360 Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year?

00:39:41.940 I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously,

00:39:47.380 the goal is a championship. There's no doubt in that, and that's the goal. We want to win

00:39:51.920 a championship.

00:39:52.420 I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast, in case you missed it with Christina Williams.

00:39:57.800 The WNBA playoffs are here, and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups

00:40:02.860 and standout players to the behind-the-scenes moments you won't find anywhere else.

00:40:07.780 It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace

00:40:12.220 the new challenge that we have.

00:40:13.700 For all the biggest stories in women's basketball, plus exclusive interviews with the game's

00:40:18.180 brightest stars.

00:40:19.100 So, to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted, but we

00:40:22.960 also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way, and we're hoping to, you know,

00:40:26.960 make a run.

00:40:27.660 So, listen to In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams, an iHeart Women's Sports

00:40:31.700 production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on iHeartRadio app, Apple

00:40:36.420 Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:40:39.400 However, Will makes a very, very, very important point.

00:40:42.360 The line at which we say we are no longer engaged in the expressing of ideas.

00:40:46.200 If our society allows people to venerate assassins, at grand scale, I think scale matters.

00:40:57.540 We're done for.

00:41:00.640 I think, you know, when I talk, I think it plays into the idea that I was saying before,

00:41:04.480 like the Nuremberg trials.

00:41:05.620 We defended, we had lawyers defend Nazis, but it's because we didn't face the threat. 0.62

00:41:09.880 If on a normal day, 30 years ago, someone cheered for an assassin, we'd be like, well, you're

00:41:16.760 crazy, because our society isn't threatened by that at a low scale.

00:41:21.420 But we are dealing with high-scale issues now.

00:41:24.820 Do we allow millions to go online and celebrate assassins?

00:41:29.360 We have been.

00:41:30.220 And look what happened.

00:41:30.840 Luigi Mangione, the alleged assassin in the insurance assassination of the CEO, he's been

00:41:39.740 venerated.

00:41:40.200 He's been celebrated.

00:41:42.620 And then not even a year later, Charlie Kirk is killed.

00:41:45.080 Why?

00:41:45.920 Because the leftists know they will be celebrated and absolved of all wrongdoing.

00:41:50.060 Statues and candles we made in their honor.

00:41:52.520 We cannot allow a society to function that way.

00:41:55.920 I think it's actually a fine thing to say.

00:41:57.700 Hey, don't celebrate murder.

00:42:00.600 Don't go online and glorify a high-profile political assassination.

00:42:04.500 That's not that big a deal.

00:42:05.660 And if you're gonna, there should be social consequences.

00:42:09.020 Will's changed my mind on that one.

00:42:10.360 We should ban these people. 0.95

00:42:11.820 We cannot tolerate this. 0.98

00:42:13.500 We can't.

00:42:14.680 And if the argument is that we will for the sake of freedom, congratulations.

00:42:18.900 There will be more assassinations.

00:42:20.600 The door is open.

00:42:22.820 I say we close it.

00:42:24.660 We may fail.

00:42:25.600 We may try and pull the door closed, and the door breaks off.

00:42:29.900 But the door to civil war is before us, and we have to try everything we can to prevent

00:42:33.480 an escalation.

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00:43:14.620 Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year?

00:43:20.260 I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day.

00:43:25.200 Obviously, the goal is a championship.

00:43:27.040 That's, there's no doubt in that, and that's the goal.

00:43:29.780 We want to win a championship.

00:43:31.300 I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast, in case you missed it with Christina Williams.

00:43:36.040 The WNBA playoffs are here, and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups

00:43:41.160 and standout players to the behind-the-scenes moments you won't find anywhere else.

00:43:46.100 It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace

00:43:50.540 the new challenge that we have.

00:43:52.020 For all the biggest stories in women's basketball, plus exclusive interviews with the game's

00:43:56.500 brightest stars.

00:43:57.860 So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted, but we also know,

00:44:01.740 you know, that's just one stop along the way, and we're hoping to, you know, make a run.

00:44:05.740 So listen to In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams, an iHeart Women's Sports production

00:44:10.420 in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:44:15.400 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:44:17.460 Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year?

00:44:21.980 I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day.

00:44:26.920 Obviously, the goal is a championship.

00:44:28.780 That's, there's no doubt in that, and that's the goal.

00:44:31.500 We want to win a championship.

00:44:32.440 I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast, In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams.

00:44:37.820 The WNBA playoffs are here, and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups

00:44:42.900 and standout players to the behind-the-scenes moments you won't find anywhere else.

00:44:47.820 It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace

00:44:52.260 the new challenge that we have.

00:44:53.740 For all the biggest stories in women's basketball, plus exclusive interviews with the game's

00:44:58.200 brightest stars.

00:44:59.120 So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted, but we also know,

00:45:03.500 you know, that's just one stop along the way, and we're hoping to, you know, make a run.

00:45:07.760 So listen to In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams, an iHeart Women's Sports production

00:45:12.140 in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:45:17.140 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:45:19.940 Whatever team Fia's on has a chance to win a championship.

00:45:23.620 I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast, In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams.

00:45:28.020 The WNBA playoffs are here, and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups

00:45:33.400 and standout players to the behind-the-scenes moments you won't find anywhere else.

00:45:37.980 It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace

00:45:42.500 the new challenge that we have.

00:45:44.180 So listen to In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams, an iHeart Women's Sports production

00:45:48.620 in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:45:53.600 or wherever you get your podcasts.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - September 23, 2025

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